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VANGUARD TOTAL STOCK MARKET INDEX FUND INSTITUTIONAL PLUS SHARES
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S and P 500 beats most professionals. At late 60s, the portfolio should be more conservative. Let's look at Vanguard Target Retirement 2035: |1|[VSMPX](https://stockanalysis.com/quote/mutf/VSMPX/)|Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund Institutional Plus Shares|40.12%|153,471,552| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |2|[VGTSX](https://stockanalysis.com/quote/mutf/VGTSX/)|Vanguard Total Intl Stock Index Inv|27.05%|1,272,991,207| |3|[VTBIX](https://stockanalysis.com/quote/mutf/VTBIX/)|Vanguard Total Bond Market II Index Fund Investor Shares|22.76%|3,094,410,637| |4|[VTILX](https://stockanalysis.com/quote/mutf/VTILX/)|Vanguard Total International Bond II Index Fund Institutional Shares|9.42%|466,762,442| I would do approximately what Vanguard has done here (or just buy the Vanguard mutual fund) and cater it to you all's preferences. This is 35% bonds which reduces a lot of risk for someone investing in their late 60s, that's probably not a bad idea. If your dad wants a more aggresive higher risk higher reward portfolio you could knock that bond down to say 25% and put 10% in conviction stocks with good financials or that you believe will do great in the future. Personally, I think NBIS is a nice buy today. RDDT is at a nice price too. But, ya, I think at least 20% bonds and at least 60% index funds is smart.
Bonds protect against market downturns but also don't grow as much as stocks. So having no bonds means higher risk and higher short term volatility but a higher expected return. If you're 20 years old or something your investing horizon is 40+ years so downturns don't matter, you have time to weather any short term market volatility. If you're 60 years old and retiring soon then a massive downturn could be disastrous. So you hold lots of bonds to protect against that. A TDF automatically adds more and more bonds to your portfolio as you get closer to your retirement date. This is great because it means you don't have to know or think about anything. Just put money in there and don't even look at it for 40 years, and you'll be rich. However, the bond allocation of a TDF is very conservative. For example at age 20 it will have you 10% in bonds. This will lower your return. The reason it is conservative in bond allocation is because it's targeted at the lowest common denominator. It doesn't want people to freak out and sell during market volatility. But if you can handle it mentally then not having any bonds in your 20s will make you richer in the long term. So there's an argument for not doing a TDF when you're young, and either switching to it in your 30's or 40's, or just figuring out how bonds work on your own and buying them yourself to match your personal risk tolerance. At this stage I would not recommend buying all three. Either go 100% TDF or 65% VSMPX/ 35% FTIHX. It's up to you whether you want to "set it and forget it" with the TDF or take on higher risk for higher returns by setting your own bond allocation (which for your 20's could very well be 0%). It's worth mentioning that currently the global market cap sits at 65% US and 35% international. This will change as the years go by. So if you do go with VSMPX/FTIHX then you should choose a date once a year when you check the global market cap and adjust your percentages accordingly.
Is there any other reason I should not want bonds yet besides it being more conservative? Also, if VSMPX is VTI and FTIHX is VXUS, does that mean it'll be redundant to choose all 3 options because TDF will have both VTI and VXUS anyway? Thanks!
TDF is a great option, probably the best option for most people. VSMPX is VTI and FTIHX is VXUS, so these are also great. If you don't want bonds yet (which is reasonable given your age) then 65% VSMPX and 35% FTIHX is essentially the same as a TDF but without bonds.
So I recently started my first job ever and I have to set up my 403b. I'm new to investing but I'm aware of some of the common stocks, index funds and whatnot that people usually invest in. Sadly, my employer 403b doesn't have most of those options. The only options I recognize and am interested in investing in is a 2065 TDF, VSMPX, and FTIHX. I was wondering if it would be wisest to invest in just the TDF or if I should invest in the other stuff as well and what percentage? I also have a ROTH IRA with nothing in yet but plan to do more aggressive investing there eventually. Any advice appreciated. Thanks in advance!
The idea of target date funds is that they are already "funds of funds" that are maximally diversified. Right now VTTHX is: * 42% VSMPX - the total US stock market fund * 28% VTSNX - the total international (ex-US) stock market fund * 21% VTBIX - the total US bond market fund * 9% VTILX - the total international bond market fund So it's already extremely diversified and adding any additional funds to that portfolio would only make it *less* diverse, not more diverse. You can put 100% there and just forget about it for a decade or so. Note that there is always *some* risk with investing. That's what makes it lucrative. That said, this is a very well balanced portfolio and with a 10+ year horizon I think will do very well.
Put it all in a low-cost mutual fund and just leave it. Something like this: [VSMPX | Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund;Institutional Plus Overview | MarketWatch](https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/fund/VSMPX?mod=top25mutualfunds_quotes)
I wouldn't get any fund with an ER 0.7%. If you wanted something more aggressive (because you're young, won't need the money for decades, and can keep yourself from not panicking when the market dips), the something like an S&P500 fund would be good. VOO, VINIX, FXAIX, etc. Whatever you were considering buying to "diversify", it is probably not adding diversity to your portfolio. VTIVX is already extremely diversified. The VSMPX makes up like 50% of the fund, and is invested in >3,700 companies in the US market. The VTIAX portion of the fund is 33%, and invested in >8,600 international companies. Most index funds you would buy (especially something with a fee 0.7%, which I suspect is some sort of sector heavy ETF) will actually decrease your overall diversification compared to this target date fund. But overall, no. Don't buy funds with expense ratios that high. Anything over 0.1% should be proceed with caution. I think it's fair to say anything over 0.2% shouldn't be considered at all.
Isn't 55% of VFIFX in VSMPX which has an expense ratio of 0.02%? If they're undercharging on some of the other parts, overcharging on that one could be what's offsetting and helping make it all work out.
>Yes, the Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund Institutional Plus Shares (ticker symbol: VSMPX) (https://investor.vanguard.com/investment-products/mutual-funds/profile/vsmpx) is a fund designed to hold all constituents of its underlying index, which, as of December 20th, 2023, \~11:44 A.M., E.T., is the C.R.S.P. U.S. Total Market Index (https://www.crsp.org/indexes/crsp-u-s-total-market-index/), which is a market-capitalization–weighted index comprising all exchange-listed stocks in the United States, presently including 3,730 companies; note, though, that the index might employ whatever particular requirements it wishes, which could prevent multiple share-classes, et cetera (you may look into these criteria upon your election). Directly to your point, though, the fund should hold roughly all these stocks, and not a short sampling thereof.
This particular fund tracks an index by CRSP. That particular index currently has 3730 in the index - [https://www.crsp.org/indexes/crsp-u-s-total-market-index/](https://www.crsp.org/indexes/crsp-u-s-total-market-index/) There are about 6000 public companies in the US (if you count OTC). I think that CRSP is a simplistic index of just listed companies on the Nasdaq and NYSE. And it probably excludes ADRs (just a guess). The Vanguard fund VSMPX attempts to track this index directly and currently holds 3761 companies - [https://investor.vanguard.com/investment-products/mutual-funds/profile/vsmpx#portfolio-composition](https://investor.vanguard.com/investment-products/mutual-funds/profile/vsmpx#portfolio-composition) So - if you are investing in the VSMPX - you have exposure to the 3761 companies.
Thanks. So when looking at VSMPX on Vanguards website it list about 3700 companies that VSMPX tracks. If I invest in VSMPX am I invested in all 3700 or so companies or just a sample of the 3700?
No. A total stock fund like VSMPX is invested only in the public equity market. So that doesn't include private businesses. The vast majority of companies in the US are private. It's why people will also point out that the market is not the economy. Also - unlike smaller index funds like the S&P 500 - a total market fund may find it burdensome and expensive to invest in every company. Many public companies may be unlisted and trade OTC or have low liquidity. So the fund may use a sampling strategy and only hold shares of companies which will allow the fund to track the total market index with some small tracking error.
Does a total stock market index fund like VSMPX contain every business on the market in the US? Meaning if I buy VSMPX my money is spread across all the business on market in US?
How are index funds managed? If I invest in say VSMPX is there a manager constantly adjusting what businesses my money is in or is it always the same?
If you're looking for "set it and forget it", there are also target date funds that'll do this or something very similar and adjust their holdings over time. For example if we're talking Vanguard (other brands are available) and a target retirement date of 2050, [VFIFX currently holds](https://investor.vanguard.com/investment-products/mutual-funds/profile/vfifx#portfolio-composition): * 54% Total US Stock Market (VSMPX, same holdings as VTSAX) * 36% International stock (VTIAX) * 7% Total US Bond Market (VTBIX) * 3% International bonds (VTILX) They'll rebalance and every few years they'll adjust the holdings, so in twenty years it might look [more like VTHRX](https://investor.vanguard.com/investment-products/mutual-funds/profile/vthrx#portfolio-composition) does now: same funds but shifted a bit away from stocks and more bonds, less international exposure, something that'll be a little more stable.
And what about mutuals funds I currently don't have enough to contribute to index funds but I can towards mutual fund's. So what mutual fund would you suggest? I did a quick Google search and found VSMPX, FXAIX, VFIAX, and VTSAX were the top 4
Most people can't buy into ETFs in their 401/403 stuff. This is where these mutual funds come into play. For instance, the total market fund I have access to is VSMPX the ER is .02, not .2
It's true that the S&P 500 is a bit more actively managed than most people realize. But why do passive investors frown upon active management in the first place? * Higher fees * Less tax efficient * Less diversification None of these criticisms apply to the standard S&P 500 tracker funds - they are dirt cheap, the turnover rate is very low, and they are roughly as diverse as any other large cap index fund. Of course it's also worth noting that a huge portion - maybe a majority? - of the passive investing market is in total market index funds, indicating a preference for as little active management as possible. The biggest index fund in the world is VSMPX, Vanguard's institutional share class total market index fund.
Try the fund that sounds closest to Total Stock Market Fund (VSMPX), if that's an option. It looks pretty much like VTI.