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I assume he thought the ROC/KMT was a democracy
>Nobody recognized the Bogd Khan as the ruler of a Mongolia free from Chinese rule in the 1910s. He became a Soviet Puppet after the Soviets kicked out KMT soldiers occupying Mongolia in 1921 Russia did. Again, when did recognition become standardized and what did it look like in the 1900's? Also- What am I reading from the Treaty of Westphalia? Why are you deflecting from this? >As for Nepal, notice how every other country has updated diplomatic information/is worded in present tense information. Litterally the same with Tibet... "In addition, Nepal has established diplomatic relations with the following countries" Tibet is liested *first*. > They list all past and present foreign interactions to prove they have had sovereignty over their country. Except they don't...The only listed countries that they currently had diplomatic relations with. Do you honestly think Nepal only had diplomatic relations with 6 countries in their history? >The diplomatic relations with Tibet in 1846 was a condition of the treaty that clearly states Tibet’s non sovereign status. Not Nepal’s dealing with an independent country They literally cite that they mainted diplomatic representatives in Tibet. Furthemore, the treaty only states that they *both* respect the Qing Emperor. This isn't even a strong argument as when Tibet gained independence these diplomats represent Nepal in Tibet. Lastly, none of this even matters as Nepal was talking about the *present time*.
Nobody recognized the Bogd Khan as the ruler of a Mongolia free from Chinese rule in the 1910s. He became a Soviet Puppet after the Soviets kicked out KMT soldiers occupying Mongolia in 1921 As for Nepal, notice how every other country has updated diplomatic information/is worded in present tense information. The diplomatic relations with Tibet in 1846 was a condition of the [treaty](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Thapathali) that clearly states Tibet’s non sovereign status > Nepal will subsequently send a senior official to be stationed in Lhasa, but not Newars.
Nobody recognized the Bogd Khan as the ruler of a Mongolia free from Chinese rule in the 1910s. He became a Soviet Puppet after the Soviets kicked out KMT soldiers occupying Mongolia in 1921 As for Nepal, notice how every other country has updated diplomatic information/is worded in present tense information. The diplomatic relations with Tibet in 1846 was started as part of the [treaty](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Thapathali) that clearly states Tibet’s non sovereign status > Nepal will subsequently send a senior official to be stationed in Lhasa, but not Newars.
It is not true that the anti-China sentiment is only with the older generation in Taiwan. Following the full takeover of Hong Kong, there has been a marked shift in opinion in Taiwan, across all demographics, away from the prospect of eventual unification. On the contrary, whereas older people (particularly civil war refugees and their first generation descendants) might have seen themselves as Chinese first, younger generations now see themselves as Taiwanese first, and are more likely to use terms like "China" rather than "the mainland" (the former implying that it's a different country). On this trajectory, if they want to avoid a hot war, PRC have to bet on some DPP corruption making them unpopular and leaving the KMT to win the following elections, or find a way to ramp up pressure to a point that causes Taiwan to enter into a severe recession. They're not there yet, but the increase in military spending and conscription requirements isn't going to make DPP more popular. Attempts at electioneering (Han Kuo-yu) haven't really worked out so far.
Attacked the ROC*, although it really should be attacked the right-wing of the KMT. A lot of them originally were in the Nationalist ruling party.
>Recognition became standardized in 1648 Based on what? Source it. >At the time Mongolia was also considered part of China, treaties between Russia and the KMT verified this a few years later. At the time Mongolia was considered an independent country. Russia/USSR protected Mongolia's independence. > Later on the independent country Mongolia did not consider tibet independent. Based on what? Source it. >I also don’t believe Nepal ever recognized Tibet? They had strong diplomatic ties as two countries stuck in the mountains together Nepal wrote in their application to join the UN that they had "diplomatic relations with the country of Tibet.
Recognition became standardized in 1648 At the time Mongolia was also considered part of China, treaties between Russia and the KMT verified this a few years later. The independent country Mongolia did not consider tibet independent. I also don’t believe Nepal ever recognized Tibet? They had strong diplomatic ties as two countries stuck in the mountains together
Imagine if Jefferson Davis and some of his buds escaped to some Island off the Carolina Coast after losing the Civil War. Grant and Sherman were all ready to go get them, but Britain figured that preventing them from doing that would somehow help them in their ongoing struggle with, I don’t know, the Ottomans. So the British prevented Grant and Sherman from doing that. Then for the next 50 years for some reason the victorious North decided to completely fuck itself with self-destructive and insane economic social and cultural policies. UK still found it useful to protect Davis and his buddies because again for some reason they still wanted to stick it to the Turks. 70 years on, the Ottoman empire has fallen. Davis and his buddies are gone. The North has unfucked itself in spectacular fashion and now is an economic and military peer to the UK. Why in the world would the UK risk it’s prestige and its resources to continue defending them? Chiang and the KMT lost the Chinese Civil War because they were truly terrible human beings and even worse soldiers. The only reason Mao didn’t follow them right away was because at the time China didn’t have the physical means to do so, and the US found it convenient to prevent them. Part of this is due to a weird complex the US has always had with China, but even larger part was Cold War geopolitics and a completely erroneous view of world communism as monolithic. Does anyone really believe that there’s anything at stake with respect to Taiwan that is worth what it would cost to prevent the Chinese from taking it? The Chinese are not an expansionist power for several reasons, but chiefly these: they don’t want the hassle of ruling a multi ethnic empire. And they’re pragmatists, they realize that they can get more profit out of capturing other countries economically than invading them.
Taiwan will peacefully "reunify" with china and by that time spy will reach ATH due to K-shaped recovery business by 🥭 before dumping again and rug-pulling bols the 2nd time during 2027. DPP, KMT and companies like TSMC,NVDA, AMD know very well, 🥭 will TACO them during an invasion lmao.
is that so ? bayer were selling aid contaminated blood plasma product to south east asia countries to recoup cost after it was ban in western world. A lot of people got aid from that and still havent gotten compensation. Taiwan was still under military dictatorship and martial law in the 80s, people can be arrest on suspension being a communist sympathizer. New political party beside KMT, CYP and CDS were not allow to appear on the poll. Government have final say on newspaper edit and newspaper longer than 6 pages were illegal. In order to be employed you need a kmt party guarantor, if you are found suspect of being communist sympathizer, both you and your guarantor will be tried collective punishment style. Aka "white terror", nothing to do with white people but rather the white flag of the kmt backer. Neighbor report on neighbor and government can seize your property if found guilty. If you are foreign refugee or native taiwanese, good luck defending yourself in court. Left wing revolutionary were also targeted by kmt party. It didn't really end until the KMT party leader die of old age and one of refugee massacre got expose on international stage. Then transition to liberal democracy started.
> The results saw the ruling Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) lose its majority in the Legislative Yuan that it had held since 2016, losing 11 seats and retaining 51, while the Kuomintang (KMT) became the largest single party with 52 seats Ah.. wow. I'm about to rock your world. There's this little startup here in the US called "google". You can put things like that quote into it and do this thing called a "search". It's amazing! Here, give it a try. www.google.com
Show me where you provided the source for this quote: "The results saw the ruling Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) lose its majority in the Legislative Yuan that it had held since 2016, losing 11 seats and retaining 51, while the Kuomintang (KMT) became the largest single party with 52 seats"
>"The results saw the ruling Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) lose its majority in the Legislative Yuan that it had held since 2016, losing 11 seats and retaining 51, while the Kuomintang (KMT) became the largest single party with 52 seats" Ummm what? The recall referendums had no impact on the number of seats within the Legislative Yuan. The DPP didn't have a majority prior to it, either. The Executive Yuan is considered the government, the Legislative Yuan is considered the representatives to the people. DPP is still the ruling party. The government is still the DPP. ---- >Isn't all of Taiwan a KMT district? They hold the most seats in the Legistature. And the DPP controls the government.
> No, the ruling party is still the DPP. They still control the government (Executive Yuan). "The results saw the ruling Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) lose its majority in the Legislative Yuan that it had held since 2016, losing 11 seats and retaining 51, while the Kuomintang (KMT) became the largest single party with 52 seats" 52 > 51. > One person holding up a sign means nothing. You not knowing that 52 is more than 51 explains everything. > It was a referendum on removing KMT politicians from traditional KMT districts almost entirely funded by Robert Tsao. It is as simple as that... Isn't all of Taiwan a KMT district? They hold the most seats in the Legistature.
> No, reading isn't your strong suit. LOL. Says the non reader. > These were local KMT politicians from local KMT districts. The districts voted as these districts have always voted. And thus they have always supported the KMT position. Which is definitely not leaning away from China. > Calling it a referendum on China is fucking stupid. Only someone fucking stupid refuses to see it for what it was. > The vast majority of Taiwanese people did not even have the ability to cast a vote... it was entirely limited to KMT districts. KMT has the majority in the Taiwan legislature. So the majority of Taiwanese voted for it. Do you know what "majority" means?
No, reading isn't your strong suit. These were local KMT politicians from local KMT districts. The districts voted as these districts have always voted. Calling it a referendum on China is fucking stupid. The vast majority of Taiwanese people did not even have the ability to cast a vote... it was entirely limited to KMT districts.
> Yes, it leaves the government that leans toward China in place. No, the ruling party is still the DPP. They still control the government (Executive Yuan). ---- >The fact that it was a referendum on China. This picture from a rally made it perfectly clear what the vote was about. No, it wasn't. One person holding up a sign means nothing. It was a referendum on removing KMT politicians from traditional KMT districts almost entirely funded by Robert Tsao. It is as simple as that...
> The KMT did not pick up any new seats. How many seats did DPP pick up?
> Yeah, those seeking to remove pro Chinese Taiwanese politicians failed. Loosing is loosing. Yes... KMT politicians from heavy KMT districts kept their seats. This changes nothing. The KMT did not pick up any new seats. Even the DPP originally distanced themselves from this recall, up until about 3 weeks before the vote. This recall never had a chance. The KMT was also unable to recall the DPP politicians either... so by your logic, TaIwAn IS LEaNiNg tOwArDs USA!!!11 ---- >That's silly..... Ah yeah, ignore everything China has done... only USA is bad.
> I assure you Taiwan is not leaning towards China, and these recalls are irrelevant. A group of people tried to recall KMT politicians in deep KMT districts, districts that have always voted for the KMT. These recalls were bound to fail. Yeah, those seeking to remove pro Chinese Taiwanese politicians failed. Loosing is loosing. > As far as China not invading countries; what a load of nonsense. The PRC became a country in 1949, and they invaded Tibet in 1950. They've invaded India, Vietnam, stocked up North Korea, support Russia invading Ukraine, bully the Philippines, etc. That's silly..... > stocked up North Korea How is that invading anyone? > support Russia invading Ukraine You mean by doing business with Russia? That kind of support. So then India, Turkey, Germany and the United States are guilty of that as well. > Don't be silly. Says the purveyor of silly. This is what it means to invade people on the regular. Have a guess which country this is? It's not even a full list, it's just partial. China 1950-53 Guatemala 1954 Indonesia 1958 Cuba 1959-60 Guatemala 1960 Belgian Congo 1964 Guatemala 1964 Dominican Republic 1965-66 Peru 1965 Laos 1964-73 Vietnam 1961-73 Cambodia 1969-70 Guatemala 1967-69 Lebanon 1982-84 Grenada 1983-84 Libya 1986 El Salvador 1981-92 Nicaragua 1981-90 Iran 1987-88 Libya 1989 Panama 1989-90 Iraq 1991 Kuwait 1991 Somalia 1992-94 Bosnia 1995 Iran 1998 Sudan 1998 Afghanistan 1998 Yugoslavia – Serbia 1999 Afghanistan 2001 Libya 2011 Iraq and Syria 2014 – Somalia 2011 – Iran 2020 –
I assure you Taiwan is not leaning towards China, and these recalls are irrelevant. A group of people tried to recall KMT politicians in deep KMT districts, districts that have always voted for the KMT. These recalls were bound to fail. And the KMT tried to do the same thing against DPP politicians... but they couldn't even gather enough signatures to get any of the referendums sent to the voters. As far as China not invading countries; what a load of nonsense. The PRC became a country in 1949, and they invaded Tibet in 1950. They've invaded India, Vietnam, stocked up North Korea, support Russia invading Ukraine, bully the Philippines, etc. Don't be silly.
> History shows that things got especially warm during periods of KMT rule, and cooled significantly during periods of DPP rule. History does not show anything. There was one administration from the KMT that had a working relationship with the CPC. One administration does not create a pattern or a historical precedent. The Little Three Links opened up during a DPP administration, does that mean I can say that historically the DPP and CPC get along good?
In the 2010 Ukraine election, a minority supported the ‘pro-Russia’ candidate. Notably this was before Russia had made any serious threats on Ukraine’s sovereignty People like to lazily equate Taiwan and Ukraine as being exactly the same, but it just shows a bit of wilful ignorance in my opinion The central issue in Taiwanese politics has *always* been the relationship with China. This has historically had a huge impact on the islands dealings with China. Keep in mind, that while China has long declared its ownership of Taiwan and its desire to ‘retake’ control of the island, they have maintained strong trade relations regardless. History shows that things got especially warm during periods of KMT rule, and cooled significantly during periods of DPP rule. Therefore, it sets a precedent whereby China shows it is pleased to work with a Taiwan that wishes to have a relationship with it. We’re now in a position where Taiwan is communicating that it is open to the idea of warming up to China So to what benefit would it be for Xi to change aproach now? What is to be gained?
This is Taiwan politics where approval ratings is very low: a 45.8% support rate makes Lai one of the most popular presidents in recent history. The last KMT president, at this time had a popularity rating of 35.5% which later dropped to just 9%. Nonsense, the KMT polled even lower which is the norm in Taiwan politics, the TPP combined with the KMT still couldn't score a win.
Lai's government has a 40% support rate and only won because of split voting between KMT and TPP. If TPP didn't come out Lai almost certainly will lose. And now he's support rate is still bleeding due to how he prosecuted KP and due to the catastrophic effect of last Typhoon (not necessarily his fault, just saying). Trump bullying Taiwan certainly won't help it.
They were trying to recall KMT politicians in KMT districts... districts the DPP either hasn't won in a long time, or hasn't ever won. Also, the KMT failed to recall the DPP politicians, too.
> KMT (the Pro-China party) Wait, what? I know them as the party of Nationalist China (during civil war). I'll admit I'm not that informed, but how did they become the opposite? That's like suddenly reading "North Korea is the best example of a democracy." Or "KKK is anti-segregation and a champion of equality." Level of shock.
At least the DPP made it to the final recall stages. The KMT washed out in the first and second stages of the recall, and that was with massive fraudulent signatures. The KMT only managed to get one through to the final stage of the recall and they lost that one badly too. In a race where everyone loses, you're literally saying the ones that made it to the final race are the losers while ignoring the party that lost out in the earlier rounds. And now the KMT is trying to pretend it's a win or a mandate somehow.
Why are you failing to mention the last round of recall of KMT lawmakers, zero out of 24 succeeded. The total collapse of the DPP initiated recalls seem to show downtrend of DPP support since you are using the recall as your evidence to refute the OP whom you replied to.
KMT will win election and rejoin
Dude, try have some IQ and do not call yourself Taiwanese. You are probably of some mongrel race. Now, regarding your silly accusations, the pro-USA party, which probably also funded your nonsense, tried to recall KMT politicians, all recalls have failed. Now, go back to being what you deserve to be.
"plus Taiwan just failed to impeach pro-China KMT lawmakers from their Legislative Yuan(their senate)" sounds pretty bearish to me too.
They fucked up and didn't manage to impeach any of the pro-China KMT lawmakers from the Legislative Yuan(their senate), citizens are turning against them in Taiwan
stop reading garbage from Taiwanese media. This is what happened - Taiwanese ruling party tried to get rid of KMT, who wants friendly relations with China. They failed - the PEOPLE voted against them. So Taiwanese government is now airing "China invasion" propaganda on TV.
That logic is completely backwards. They want Taiwan because they view it as a breakaway part of China, and it's leadership as the descendants of the KMT that the CCP defeated in their civil war 70 years ago. That Taiwan is uniquely positioned in the global chip manufacturing industry has been something *preventing* them from taking military action, not encouraging it. If China becomes less reliant on Taiwanese chips it makes the likelihood of invasion higher.
I might be contrarian, but I doubt China wants to go to war. Some politicians might, but the both the CCP and the KMT want a peaceful reunification.. They just don't see eye to eye on which one is the legitimate Chinese government.
Taiwan never separated. There were no ideals except the fascist KMT holding on to some modicum of power in hopes of returning to the mainland to rule someday.
\*the KMT played a huge role, the CCP was more modest
A point of clarification, though; the KMT bore the brunt of the fighting against Japan in China and played a significant role in the Pacific front by tying down Japanese forces. The CCP contributed more modestly, primarily through guerrilla tactics, while simultaneously preparing for postwar power consolidation.
Yeah, there were a lot of contributors to the eventually CCP win, but it primarily came down to the KMT being completely exhausted, the KMT being extremely unpopular especially in the countryside, the corruption of the KMT (which was a big part of why they were so unpopular), the CCP doing an excellent job with guerrilla warfare, and the CCP being excellent at propaganda/outreach especially with rural peasants.
Also in terms of the Chinese Civil War; The CCP won largely due to their grassroots mobilization and military effectiveness, while U.S. disillusionment with the corrupt and ineffective KMT led to a lack of deeper American involvement.
Point 1 - You are free to trade with the US, however, if you value your trade with China, your biggest trading partner and neighbour, would you do it even if you weren't told not to? Should China be actively encouraging her trading partners to trade with someone who gives tariffs out like its christmas? You think the countries can't think for themselves? Spoiler alert, none of the East Asian governments are as incompetent as yours. Point 2 - You mean like the islands that Vietnam has built? And Philippines? And every single country that has also built artificial islands in the South China Sea? Has China threaten to invade anyone? You see China calling for an aggresive war with anyone? They claim the Paracel Islands as theirs, ofc they will try to defend it. If the UK was able to defend their claim in Falklands, why is China "evil" for defending their claim? When China hasn't even gone to war over them at all? Point 3 - Ok now I understand, you're braindead. Yes china labor camps china organ harvest. Absolute buffoon. No wonder Trump got in power with ppl like you. Point 4 - Tibet broke off from Qing after the Xinhai rebellion, and claimed its independence. Even the ROC at the time, lead by the KMT and Cheing kai-shek, planned to demand its return after the Sino-Japanese war. Because fundamentally it is a part of China proper. Why? Because the claim was legally provided by the last Emperor of China, Puyi, who when abdicating established that all parts of the Qing dynasty were to be transferred to the ROC. So it's an internal matter of the Chinese. And Mongolia? The same treaty also stated that Mongolia was to be transferred. Mongolians were able to defend themselves with the Soviets help, who wanted to have a puppet in the East. The PRC has historical claim and legal claim over Outer Mongolia, the part they managed to keep. That's way more than what the US had when it took the southwest from Mexico. Way more than what the Brits had when they had their colonies. And you want to know what life was like under the Dalai Lama in Tibet? You think that a feudal monarchy was good for its people? Did you ever learn that the common people were slaves to the feudal lords and nobles? It was a glorified cotton plantation under the name of buddhism. Point 5 - Taiwan Taiwan. You guys love sticking your noses into internal affairs. Mao should've just took it and finished the job in the 50s, instead now all we get is an island that wants to claim the mainland as its own but doesn't accept the mainland government. As far as you're concerned, the Chinese Civil War has never legally ended, not until Taiwan is taken. Take note, it's a Civil War. Point 6 - Really? The rights of everyone in Hong Kong? What sort of dipshit sinophobic brain do you have inside your mind? I can see why Vance thought Chinese were peasants, because all of you stupid fucks seems to have the same twisted idea about a country you don't have any intention of visiting. Have you even been to Hong Kong? Are everybody locked in cages there? Also, did you know that Hong Kong was returned to China from the Brits? Meaning it's internal affairs again? See the pattern here? Is it so hard for you guys to get your grubby little fingers out of other country's noses? Did you know under the Brits, Hong Kong housing market is now dominated by one fucking guy with 70% market share of all the housing in Hong Kong? Read that. One guy and his company owns 70% of all housing. Don't you guys hate landlords here? You should be begging the CPC to purge CK so that the HKers can get some housing for once. Get the fuck out of here with your sinophobia disguised as hate for CPC. If you want to hate the Chinese, just say you hate them, no need to waste your time spouting bullshit that you've done zero research on. You know nothing about China, and you will never know anything, because you're don't hate CPC, you hate the Chinese people. Said it for you.
Man! It’s so much fun to see people who don’t know shit talk about shit. Have You seen the news in Taiwan? There is no talk about an invasion. The biggest news there is DDP trying to recall KMT parliament members for not passing their budget. The commies are not even in their thoughts. And Trump is just a trade obstacle they need to over come. They are not talking the dismantling of American democracy. Not their problem. KMT wants to resume reunification talks with China. DDP was born out of anti China, the Republic of China. Now that the ROC is just a name they needed a new Chinas to fight against to unite the Party. But they don’t really care for a war. There are posturing from both sides but that’s about it. an actual war doesn’t help anyone except the Americans. So CCP talks about uniting Taiwan and will take it by force in need be. DDP talks about the Chinese invasion to scare the people into voting for them. Americas uses Taiwan as a bait to tease China. If America is serious about protecting Taiwan they would sell them F15. F18 and now the F35. But they don’t. Because they want Taiwan to rely on the 7th fleet. Taiwan play along with this game. But Trump changed the whole dynamic. Trump wants TSMC in exchange for the protection. Who he fail to realize is that TSMC is propping up Taiwans national health care and other social services with its tax money. Without TSMC there is no Taiwan. So TSMC is not negotiable. Chinas has agree to let Taiwan govern it self with the “one country two government “ policy. Taiwan can be functionally independent if it doesn’t proclaim independence. Once people of Taiwan see through the DDP’s gaslighting about China. They will stop talking about Taiwan independence and will be back to being the Republic of China. Wait!? Isn’t this r/stockmarket? Why we need talking about politics, foreign politics at that?
> The current pro-independence leadership is deeply unpopular. No KMT is a lot more unpopular than DPP.
No. Japan wanted / tried to sue for peace using the Soviets as an intermediary. They actually had a neutrality pact for much of the war. Their only non-negotiable was the life and status of their emperor. The initial plan at Yalta was for the Soviets to declare war on Japan 3 months after Germany’s defeat. But between Yalta and VE + 90 Days: - FDR died - Truman the puppet became president - Allen Dulles… - The USN, USMC, KMT and CCP put the hurt on the IJA/IJN - The Trinity test happened - **The US Empire and MIC was born** So to prevent the Soviets from gaining influence in east Asia, they nuked Hiroshima. Japan didn’t even try to surrender after that, it was the Soviets invading that scared the shit out of them. So they tried to surrender unconditionally, but unfortunately that was the day before the US had already planned to hammer home (and forewarn) the announcement of their empire - at Nagasaki.
My point was that the CCP wasn't a minor change in governance, there weren't any emperors until Xi. They literally had a cultural revolution where they actively destroyed their own culture. So which is it? Are they building off of 5 thousand years of culture or did they brain wash everyone of it? The KMT almost has more right to that claim than the CCP.
> US businessmen who are no longer alive or involved with the US government. Yeah, that's how the passage of time tends to work. People die and systems remain at times. Probably because the CPC literally kicked the KMT out of China to the Taiwanese province?
Was I supposed to say no? What did you prove other than the KMT and the US aiding the nazis to power?
Before the CPC took control of the country? You probably could argue that the KMT aided the Nazis to power, and they later fled to Taiwan.
I honestly have no clue how someone can be so ignorant or confused on something that is so simple. Taiwan's official name is the Republic of China, much like China's official name is the People's Republic of China. Taiwan and China, or the ROC and PRC as they are officially called, are two separate and independent countries. Neither controls the other. To say that 90% of the Taiwanese population is the children of Chinese Nationalists is flat out ignorant and completely ignores the 6 million people that were here before the KMT came. Also, no. I am not of Chinese blood. My ancestorial home is in Vietnam... there are hundreds of thousands of us here that are citizens of Taiwan with ancestorial homes in SE Asia. We are called 新住民.
The vast majority of people in Taiwan come from Taiwan. You are like one of those ignorant people that ask Asian people in America "Where do you *really* come from?" after they tell you they are born in America and come in America. ---- >To put into a broader perspective... You are almost all the children of former Chinese nationalists. Again, your ignorance is showing. The vast majority of Taiwanese had nothing to do with the KMT when they fled here. Those that came over with the KMT made up less than 12% of the population by 1950. The vast majority of Taiwanese people can trace their family roots to the island by a few hundred years. There were 6 million Japanese and Taiwanese speaking Han people with the KMT came here. The island was not empty. The nationalist families were a minority.
If we piss them off enough then it's possible that in the next election cycle, the more US friendly democratic progressive party gets voted out in favor of the more China friendly KMT and that would be an issue.
Foxconn owned they suck, they’re the suicide ent propel, revolving door with KMT in Taiwan (supper ‘reunification’)
That’s not really the case. Americans have supported the KMT and Chinese resistance in WW2. Without American support, Taiwan wouldn’t even have existed today and the ROC would’ve been wiped out early on in the civil war. There are larger issues of course but American assistance to the ROC definitely contributed to the resistance of the communists and the Japanese. America (and her allies) were already resisting the communists (USSR) since before the war. A major part of the pacific theatre and the bomb was about spying/information sharing after the war with USSR. The allies knew the alliance would break up after the war and each side supported different resistance efforts to exert their sphere of influences. This of course includes America’s aid to the ROC.
All information I can find on US involvement in the Chinese civil war shows they backed and supported the KMT (nationalists). Do you have any legitimate sources or?
The U.S. was supporting China to hurt Japan. 1940s - the U.S. supported the KMT in their brutal civil war against the CCP. 1950s - Then the Chinese sent hundreds of thousands of solders to fight the US led UN forces in Korea. 1960s/1970s - The Chinese provide huge support for the Vietcong fighting the US in Vietnam. Nixon “opened” up Chinese trade and the U.S. companies got very rich helping to build up Chinese industry. That was also an attempt to build on the sino-Soviet split.
? It was first under KMT control until Mao started a civil war fighting the government in control which is the KMT. Are you even Chinese? Know your history. Fucken sb
yeah all means necessary including force... but have they use it? Why don't you mention they also said peaceful means is what they want the foremost Then why start the civil war? then why don't you ask the KMT governemnt (the one lost the civil war and flet to TW) on why they attacked the communist in the first place? Clown
True! When Japan invaded mainland China during its ongoing Civil War, the communists (red army) and the KMT stopped fighting each other to fight imperial Japan. The red army took advantage of the situation and wiped out KMT after the temporary case fire was over.
You forgot that the KMT preemptively attacked and almost wiped out the CCP before all this happened. The long march happened as a result which gave Mao immense clout that allowed him to become the leader of the CCP.
The CCP was a smaller player than the KMT, but given that they were part of the KMT 's united front and they were aligned with the USSR (both allied powers), I think it's fair to consider them as part of the Allies. Maybe they weren't exactly great team players, but it's at least more accurate than calling them an Axis power.
This is a bad bet. Remember these facts when you consider if China would actually invade: 1. TSMC has a kill switch to their systems if China invades. Imagine what would happen if all the chip manufacturing stopped in Taiwan in 24 hours and they remote killed their other fabs, too. 2. The CCP and KMT (Taiwans “blue” party that originally came to Taiwan from China) EACH control trillions of dollars of cash. Would they really come to blows if cash can be traded civilly? The KMT is selling out to Chinese interests right now so it’s more likely invasion by bureaucrats more than actual war. 3. 99.9% of Taiwan’s energy supply is imported. China could have pulled shenanigans with this long ago but won’t. 4. Xi Jinping has to sit with the old guy leadership at party summits now. This is usually a sign your glory days are over and other people are have covered you to let them run this show for their interests, which don’t usually align with yours. Speculative but interesting consideration: Taiwan has a fledgling cruise middle program that has successfully tested missles that can reach the three gorges dam. Taiwan has also publicly threatened to blow up the dam if China invades. It would be a truly gigantic disaster flood that would displace or kill around 100M people. There is too much at stake for China to use force.
yes and the [proof](https://www.reddit.com/r/Taipei/comments/1ifm91b/comment/mahq1ca/?context=3) from a month ago that's a super complicated question but this wikipedia article explains it well [1992 Consensus - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Consensus) tl;dr PRC/CCP/China = the "Union", then its political party respectively ROC/KMT/Taiwan = the Confederate, then its party, then the name of the island the ROC lost, so now we're in some small island, and neither one thinks the other is legitimate
No, much worse, it's the equivalent of saying the Confederate is the legitimate government of the US. The KMT were slavers and drug kingpins, glorified thugs funded by the CIA, and they lost a civil war. A lot of bias and historical illiteracy in this thread. But in an English-speaking subreddit about investment, that is not surprising
Tsmc in taiwan is Taiwan’s silicon shield to deter China aggression. By shifting more to US, Taiwan put itself in a susceptible spot like Ukraine getting rid of their nukes. Most likely Taiwan will flip to pro china KMT next election.
Terry Gou founder and then CEO of Foxconn is a well known KMT political party member which supports China and Taiwan unification. The Wisconsin factory was nothing more than some political ploy to try to get USA to soften their anti China stance which Foxconn has a lot of connections with. When that became a non issue, the factories were never made and I think the facilities were sold to some other company for a data center. Part of me also wonders to what extent the TSMC fabs exist as some political tool to appease the US. The TSMC executives and founders are not as pro China as Terry Gou but they aren't strongly pro independence either from what I have seen.
>Taiwan and China, or the ROC and PRC are two separate and independent countries Try again. China is the country. ROC and PRC are competing governments for China. >ROC also doesn't use provinces as administrative divisions anymore. I remember that. What was the argument. ROC was broke and could afford to have representing for provinces it couldn't collect taxes from. Streamlining, they called it. What was the other reason? That right Waishengren discrimination. Those positions were mostly held by Chiness people from other provinces that fled with the KMT. Ah-Bian was such a funny president. Ended up in jail for corruption. So there's Taiwan Province, which contains Taiwan Island. There's Kinmen in Fujian province controlled by ROC. Yes, ROC controlled spans Taiwan Province, Fujian Province, and thr South China Sea. Because it's the other China. Let me know when the Country of Taiwan 台灣國 is established. It's Republic of China Year 114 in Taiwan right now.
Is KMT a good buy? Owner just bought $217k in stock this week and it’s up 3% since. Still room go up?
The KMT is pro-China, though not necessarily advocating for near-term unification. Their stance is more about closer economic ties to China with a more accomodating approach. The TPP, led by doctor-turned-politician Ko Wen-je, is a personality-driven third party that effectively functions as a KMT-lite, giving the KMT a parliamentary majority. Though they claim to be centrist, they largely align with the KMT. Ko is currently facing corruption charges, which the TPP dismisses as a political witch hunt by the DPP, similar phenomenon to Trump’s claims last year.
I often see videos of politicians in other countries in physical confrontations. Reminds as crazy as US politics is, there is always worse. Are KMT & TPP pro China. I have to think the two countries have developed different cultures despite the shared history just due to the government each has.
I doubt Taiwan will. I'm a dual Taiwan-American citizen. Taiwan's parliament is controlled by the KMT-TPP. They're currently CUTTING the military budget. They despise the current DPP president. They are trying to prove that America is an unreliable ally & that the current DPP president was wrong for trying to rely on America. The KMT & TPP are ready to die on this hill. They were literally fist fighting the DPP in parliament & throwing chairs. That's how committed they are.
*TGT Blue light special. Oh that was KMT (they're already bankrupt) never mind....*
Please don't mix and match country names and governments with varying time periods unless; there is already too much misinformation online to make a generalization like that. I understand that you may know this particular time in history, but most people don't and will form their own incorrect, simplified opinions from your initial statement to repost elsewhere. From your statement, people may infer that Taiwan itself was a country that was a long ally with the US all during WW2, which is incorrect historically and ignores its actual role in WW2. China (Republic of China) was officially one of the major allied powers of WW2. Taiwan itself had over 200,000 fighting for Japan and the Axis. They had a long history prior the Republic of China taking over Taiwan with martial law after WW2. >Taiwanese did not have an opinion on the matter as the Republic of China (KMT specifically) ruled the island under martial law for 40 years You might be saying that they had no part in the decision-making, which is correct, but the other 85% or so population of existing Taiwanese post-civil war definitely did have an strong opinion on the RoC (KMT) and the martial law since this period of White Terror resulted in the execution and imprisonment of many people, who spoke out against the forced learning of the Chinese (Mandarin) language, history, and culture.
Taiwan is the colloquial name for the Republic of China. The Republic of China was an allied power during World War 2. I understand the point you are trying to make, but Taiwanese did not have an opinion on the matter as the Republic of China (KMT specifically) ruled the island under martial law for 40 years. Taiwan became the Republic of China, for better or for worse, and now that is the government that represents the island.
My KMT friends would just leave, yup, or take their free PRC citizenship invitations. Other than that though (the KMT are a dwindling minority) all my friends are pretty seriously committed to fighting.
Please can you show me the election results that show that the KMT received the majority of the popular results?
You’ve never met anyone who has claimed that fighting with China would be in vain, would cause the deaths of thousands and would destroy cities, so they would favour just conceding? It’s a very popular view. KMT voters especially have this opinion, and they form over 30% of the population, so I don’t know who you are talking to?
> Hardly unsurprising when a majority of the population recently voted the political parties that stood for improving relations with China wtf kind of description of the DPP is this? The KMT is the party very obviously captured by the CPC.
Yes, cultural imperialism. Many of my KMT aligned friends regularly get "invitations" to the PRC, all expenses paid. The CPC is coming for Taiwan's rich and influential. Luckily the DPP overthrew the KMT regime in the 90s and Taiwan's democratic institutions are powerful enough, and its people politically engaged enough, to prevent the KMT from having any real degree of power ever again.
The KMT is deep in the pocket of the CPC and yes the CPC would have angled for absorption if the KMT got elected and also got away with their bullshit law they ramrodded through the Legislative Yuan recently. But the KMT is also deeply unpopular and their actions triggered the largest protest in Taiwan history since the Sunflower Protests. The PRC isn't coming here. It'll continue to try to culturally and economically imperialize Taiwan but every year that goes buy increases the cost of an invasion. It's a remote, but relatively unserious, possibility. Invasion of Taiwan === no more chips, anywhere. During COVID that nearly shrecked the world economy. The USA will let Israel do anything it wants *except* anything that would cause Iran to light local oil production on fire. Because if that happens, the world economy goes too. The USA doesn't want that, the PRC doesn't want that, Russia doesn't, Saudis, nobody wants that. Same for chips.
I live in Taiwan, I am deep in TSMC The narrative that you are fed in America in particular, but also the wider west, about an impending Chinese invasion of Taiwan is complete nonsense These are not Ukrainian style ‘Russia will not invade’ whilst the Russian army is camped on their border type claims. My claim that it is nonsense is backed up by the facts on the ground The Taiwan-China issue is all rhetoric. It is rhetoric used by the ruling green party to win elections, it is used in China to boost nationalism. The majority of Taiwanese people are not against China. This is evidenced in the most recent election where the anti-China candidate won the election with a minority of votes. A huge chunk of the population wants improved trade and relations with China, and China knows it. This proportion is not shrinking. In reality this is the route that China is eyeing up in order to gain more influence in Taiwan - wait until the KMT or someone other than the greens are in power, and then improve ties and ‘unify’ the countries. That’s all there is to it It’s a really risky bet you are making
The US has supported Taiwan since the end of the Chinese Civl War. Before that the US supported the KMT against Imperial Japan. Our support continued through the Cold War for obvious reasons—communism. That was all before TSMC, so you're categorically incorrect. The SCS is one of the busiest waterways on earth, about 1/3 of the world's shipping goes through it. For our allies in Japan and South Korea, about 90% of their oil comes through the South China Sea, and more than 50% of all their trade passes through it. To surrender Taiwan, the Malacca Straights, and the larger South China Sea to the CCP would cripple their geopolitical happenstance and severely weaken our own position in the region. So no, it's not just about TSMC.
> They always been independent not per the one-China principle > Matter of fact, it was the other way around yes, that's what the one-China principle means, they have a parallel government and both sides agree to disagree on which one exercises sovereignty over all of China, but Taiwan itself remains a province of China in that framework > Even during the Olympics, China had to go through RoC to attend yeah, cause the ROC government was still the government recognized by most other countries and had representation at the UN by the 70s/80s it was pretty clear the KMT had lost the civil war and with the PRC government taking China's UN seat and many other countries recognizing them as the sole government under the one-China principle it was inevitable the Olympic representation would follow plus, the US wanted to take advantage of the Sino-Soviet split so it also recognized the PRC in order to form a bloc against the Soviets during the Cold War
This meme is funny to me because Taiwan's official name is Republic of China, the KMT considers themselves the rightful rulers of China in temporary exile. We should be respectful of that. Once they get their country back Taiwan can be returned to the indigenous Formosans. If anyone is interested in some fun history look up what happened when the KMT remnant army did when they got stranded in the jungles of Burma after the civil war. (This is not political, I genuinely think it's a cool story of some tough SOBs who found themselves in a crazy situation)
Without any context for the material of the drill and other technical difficulties, Piece from your provided source : "KMT scientists are still experimenting with the right materials that can withstand these conditions in anticipation of the first boring slated for 2026. If successful, KMT might not only provide copious amounts of energy but also advance science by providing new tools for volcanic monitoring and eruption prediction. " If you think that the future of this is now you are wrong based on shallow report not dealing with issues that prevent adoption in multiple places. Thanks that at least I understood from where you based your ideas.
I think the problem is taiwanese politics. They have KMT and DPP (that is more aligned to china). It’s always a few election away from aligning itself to PRC What can the US do then if that’s the voice of the taiwanese people? What do asml do then? But as individual investors these things may not matter as much.
China isn't going to invade Taiwan. Their military is very untested - they don't throw some country against the wall every few years like the US does. The Russian invasion has shown that the OECD countries are serious about cutting off serious aggressors, even at decent cost to themselves. China has plenty of big problems, from its demographics to the economy, among others. It likes to saber rattle and make a lot of noise but it backs down from actual confrontation. Taiwanese people are pretty united against China at this point - look at how long it has been since the KMT won an election. An amphibious invasion across a rough strait is not easy for any military. Invading Taiwan also doesn't really gain China or Xi anything substantial. And finally, Xi knows that if he invades, it's rolling the dice on his grip on power. Otherwise, he has multiple decades. China's not going to invade.
So you are saying the KMT didn’t start the war with a literal purge of CCP members working for them? The Shanghai Massacre of 1927 didn’t happen? It was actually the CCP killing the KMT members? It was actually the CCP suppressing the youth and KMT members who were demanding foreign concessions to be returned to China? Either the Shanghai Massacre of 1927 happened or didn’t. But if it did, who started killing who?
It would be the 52rd state after Israel. KMT started the Chinese civil war, lost the war like a bitch, fled to Taiwan and now playing victim as if it wasn’t a bum that is just squatting. Only reason the territory hasn’t been reunified is because of US military intervention. Had the CCP fled to Taiwan instead of the KMT, USA would have back the KMT all the way to take back the breakaway territory. As we saw with the Koreans and Vietnamese when it was the commies on the back foot, Americans don’t care about sovereignty.
>partially not fully Without US military intervention Taiwan military would crumple in 90 days assuming no tactical nuclear strike to end the fight on a few weeks https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA1658-1.html >Because of Taiwan’s military disadvantages and low durability, successfully withstanding a large-scale Chinese attack would require military intervention by the United States. A well-led and socially cohesive Taiwan might be able to mount a determined resistance for a long time, but, without a robust U.S. military intervention, China’s enormous advantage in military resources likely would allow it to eventually subjugate the island. In conclusion Taiwan is a client state of the U.S. >yeah area close each other has similar culture Taiwan’s culture is directly imported from mainland China b/c a majority of the population came from the mainland. Many of them still have family on the mainland and many trace their roots literally across the strait. The cultural heritage and similarities are so close it’s as if it’s another Chinese province. I know you are trying to play down the cultural similarities to make it as if the two states are vastly different like Vietnam and Korea compared to China, but you are just misleading. >China has no control of Taiwan B/c of the threat of U.S. intervention??? Like why are you trying to avoid the elephant in the room. US intervention is the only thing preventing China’s reunification. >The KMT didn’t care about the communist [Shanghai massacre](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_massacre) The KMT literally started the Chinese Civil War by secretly planning and purging CCP members that were already working for and with the KMT party who they helped unify China from the Beiyang government from the north. KMT was literally the coward that backstabbed the CCP who already ceded government and national control to the KMT. It was literally the KMT party who fucked up a united China that caused a split and this was before the Japanese invasion. The same KMT party who despite having a superior military and funding backed initially by the USSR and then USA lost a civil war that they started and fled to Taiwan. Now is saying, you bro, I’m the victim bro! I’m victim for losing the war that I started. ROFL, you don’t know shit about Chinese modern history and the cross strait relations
> > > > > So going by historical event and KMT’s own rationale for taking over Taiwan, Taiwan is a breakaway territory, at best a client state of U.S. lolz @ this level of mental gymnastics, moving goalposts, and backpedaling... all to jump to THAT conclusion. taiwan 51st state? sweet! sounds good, let's do it! ...i don't think that was the quip you thought it was.
>Funded and equipped by the USA? So a client state? Partially, not fully. It's not Afghanistan, Taiwan has enjoyed a booming market since its inception just like all the other Asian countries. They spend more on the military than turkey, that's not propped up by the US. Technology and Intel sharing yes, but that doesn't make an army. >Shockingly similar to mainland China, as if it was brought over by the retreating Chinese KMT Yeah, areas close to each other usually have similar cultures. Still have differences, idk what the point of this comment is. >Hong Kong has its own market too along side Shanghai market. Having or not having a stock exchange does not denote country status It was just another example of Taiwan being a self governing self ruling and self owning nation. >California has regular elections and the number 5 largest economy in the world, it’s still not a country even though it beats UK, France, Italy, Spain, Korea and Canada. California is a state, not a country. It has not said it's a country either so there's no objections as to what California is. That's why it's called the "United States". Many states, under one federal government. This is not like how other countries operate. >Whether Taiwan is a country or not is still not settled. Because China will get upset about it, not because Taiwan doesn't already function like its own country. China has no control of Taiwan, if they did TSMC wouldn't be the US's love child. You talk a lot about the history of the KMT as though they're cowards. But what happened in reality was that the KMT outnumbered and outgunned the communists so much that the KMT didn't care for the communists. That was until Japan started its invasions and it was up to the KMT to defend China, while the communists spent the time in the back growing their popularity. After Japan decimated China's military (KMT), the communists then came out the woodwork and started fighting again. Historically the Chinese people preferred the KMT, so much more that it was the defacto government. The minority that were the communists only ever made it because instead of fighting to defend their country, they fled to gain support around the countryside while praying the Soviet Union supported them (which did). If modern Taiwan only exists because of the US, modern China only exists because of the Soviet Union.
>own military Funded and equipped by the USA? So a client state? >culture Shockingly similar to mainland China, as if it was brought over by the retreating Chinese KMT >stock market Hong Kong has its own market too along side Shanghai market. Having or not having a stock exchange does not denote country status >elections and economy California has regular elections and the number 5 largest economy in the world, it’s still not a country even though it beats UK, France, Italy, Spain, Korea and Canada. Whether Taiwan is a country or not is still not settled. Historical facts that is accepted by all party is that Taiwan was where the failed KMT government of China fled to when they lost Chinese Civil War on the mainland. The only reason why the KMT could have fled to Taiwan and not be kicked out like their splinter group in Burma was because Taiwan was at least according to the KMT themselves part of the territory of China. Again, the KMT did not fled to Korea, Japan, Vietnam or Thailand because a foreign country wasn’t going to cede land to another foreign government on the run. Without the interference of the U.S. the Chinese civil war would have settled and might have even developed into a two party system between the CCP and KMT. So going by historical event and KMT’s own rationale for taking over Taiwan, Taiwan is a breakaway territory, at best a client state of U.S.
Most people in Taiwan prefer either independence or status quo, and I’d wager most of the status quo people would like independence but know it’s not possible. Only some old guard KMT want a one China two systems policy, and they are quickly dying out. Most people know the one China two systems policy in Hong Kong is kind of a sham. Beijing ultimately does what it wants. People in Taiwan don’t want to be controlled by Beijing.
I could see that happening if the KMT comes to power. But it seems unlikely in the near future given the DPP has been on a winning streak so far
There are very low support for parties that advocate for de jure independence in Taiwan and the DPP talks a big game but they’re not moving towards independence and has made no formal move to delineate their territory. If anything they’re just stringing the US along hoping something will happen > https://www.electionguide.org/elections/id/4240/ Back in 2020 the DPP had a significantly large lead over the KMT (seen as more friendly to Beijing) but now it seems they’re ahead of the DPP and the pro-independence parties are still unpopular. Based on this there no chance China will invade unless the U.S. and it’s lackeys in Taiwan forces a crisis
Regards here don’t realize that the US-friendly DPP lost its majority in the Taiwanese parliament and the new KMT led majority along with Taiwan’s business tycoons are more than happy to cooperate with the PRC in the mainland for economic and political gain. If you’re longing non-American semis right now you’re exit liquidity.
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