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Every piece of financial advice you've every seen in social media, news, crypto news, every course for money etc is out rip you off
An approximated analysis of DOGE future price based on the current circulating supply
As crypto continues to become more and more common as a tool for investment - what do you think the makeup of a crypto index fund modeled after S&P Index Funds would look like?
When someone says "Coin XYZ has outperformed BTC in the last N months", or ANY such "X has outperformed Y over the previous N period", turn your BS meter to high. Any such comparison is INCREDIBLY sensitive to the start and end points - by months or even days.
Nvidia: Ethereum Merge Unleashes A Tsunami Of Used Graphics Cards (NASDAQ:NVDA)
What will ETH miners mine after the merge?
I have over 500k in bitcoin that I bought with borrowed money because I listened to Michael Saylor
Nancy Pelosi's Husband Loads Up On Nvidia Stock Ahead Of Chip Bill As Ethereum Pumps 50% Within 7 Days From $1000 to $1500
Bitcoin did well but some web2 companies did better in 2021.
Bitcoin did well but some web2 companies did better in 2021.
How I 25x my BTC. With some proof
I scraped r/cryptomarkets for the top ticker mentions in the last 24H. Here are the results (Friday November 26, 2021)
What FET is the most underrated Cryptocurrency
How to invest in crypto by investing in the stock market.
How Crypto Impacts the Chip Shortage This Year And Beyond
How Crypto Impacts the Chip Shortage
One dipshit’s opinion as to why we’re going to have a very bullish autumn
The only thing riskier than owning crypto, is not owning crypto
You can trade profitably, but most of the time it isn't worth it.
NVIDIA Couldn’t Evaluate Crypto Mining Impact as Q1 Profit Hits Record
I feel stupid and I should feel that way because I am - A lesson in playing both sides
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Yea, I'll agree with you on that Bitcoin may be "boring" But, the rest of the crypto market is still volatile as ever. Have you seen Dogecoin (#8 in marketcap) from April low to May high? 100% move. Then down 35% since then. And, down 65% from Dec. high. ETH, ADA, SOL, etc. all similar story. I don't blame this solely on decrease in Bitcoin volatility over the years. It's just.. everything else has been a lot more volatile. Stocks, even gold, real estate from Covid lows.. have seen increase in volatility. And, I think people have normalized it. Bitcoin's done 2700% from Covid low, with $2.1tn market cap. NVDA has done 3280% from Covid low, with $3.5tn market cap now. Granted, NVDA is a crazy volatility even for a stock. Bitcoin used to be the king in volatility.. not so much anymore. You have to go down to lower market cap to find more volatility, which is still there, imo.
nah, because 99% of people would have lost it one way or another the feeling "if only I did this" just creates FOMO and can be applied to anything at all. if only I bought NVDA stock in 2014. if only I bought doge coin at 0.00006
Don't tell this guy how much money he would have made if he invested in NVDA instead
I'm hereby initiating NVDA at a Strong Sell because what if the power goes out?
There is not enough history with BTC to do a 30-yr estimation But, you can do a comparison check. Btw, 20% return per year isn't much if you consider S&P did 11.2% in the last 15 years (and \~14.6% last 5 years), and Nasdaq did 16% last 15 years (and \~16.4% last 5 years as well). Actually, NVDA has performed even better than BTC since the Covid low (2860% vs 3284%). And, there are few more stocks that have done even better albeit smaller marketcap. To bring back to your question.. at the very minimum, barring just normal ebb and flow in the economy, you'd expect it to perform better than S&P and Nasdaq, conservatively \~7% and \~10% (last 15 years were arguably one of the best bull runs, i.e. may be an outlier). 401k is tax deferred, IRA is tax exempt - you should definitely do more research on these. There are plenty of BTC ETFs you can buy in your retirement acc. If you're buying physical coins, you should buy it and transfer it to a cold storage wallet.
The hodlers are not investing, they’re doomsday prepping. If you bought bitcoin in 2012, congratulations, you caught the train before it started moving just like if you bought NVDA before it took off. Bitcoin is not going to 1,000,000x again in our lifetimes, so it’s important to diversify.
Get outta mutual funds, weight heavier btc and microstrategy, and invest in disruption TSLA and NVDA. Solana and sui if you want more crypto exposure, but maybe wait until bear market before you get into those.
All depends on the investor and how/where the stock is held. Investing isn't a one size fit all and it's based on financial goals, timeline, age, what investment vehicles are available, and risk tolerance. Both can be advantageous to hold and I hold both. Especially if the stock is in a tax advantaged account, I'd think twice. To me the easier play is to just allocate more towards Bitcoin going forward if you want more exposure and reduce or eliminate money going into stocks Sometimes stocks win out especially when it has been easier to pinpoint Bitcoin bull markets based on 4 yr halving cycles. That cycle may not continue but the easy play in the past has been to buy stocks during Bitcoin's bear markets, then sell close to halving and rotate those stock profits into Bitcoin to hold during bull runs. That may not be easy going forward if cycles don't continue but it's anybody's guess. Other stock picks mine outpaced Bitcoin even during its bull run. I made ~1,520% return on my NVDA stock from the last day of May 2020-May2025. Meanwhile Bitcoin May2020-May 2025 only returned ~ 1,105%. Plus I get dividends and can trade call options on stocks as well while I hold them even when price appreciation isn't occurring at the moment.
You're comparing to broad indexes. Certain individual stocks have certainly outpaced over the last 5 years, but you just have to know how to pick em. Bitcoin holders commonly praise each other for finding the best investment there is (BTC, and not arguing that), but then fail to acknowledge If you can pick this one, you can probably pick others that are also worthwhile investments with some outpacing Bitcoin over a 5-year term period or more even My NVDA stock returned about ~1,520% from May 18 2020- May 18 2025. Meanwhile BTC over the same date ranges returned around 1,100%
Wanted to invest after the 2022 dip. Still chose NVDA. Today I‘m happy about it but let‘s see what the futures holds
And sorry the fact that you say RC is communicating this fairly well is comical at best. We both know they haven’t said anything, taken questions on earnings calls, or shared a plan. You can call this some 120D chess like you guys always do, but you should really pay attention to NVDA tonight to understand how actual earnings calls are handled.
NVDA is a hardware supplier for AI companies right now, you don't need to know how CUDA in NVDA GPUs works, just knowing that is enough. Trump won't help ETH rally if Vitalik kisses his ass, market makers and whales are holding huge amounts of ETH, just like BTC, Trump's World Liberty Fi is too.
NVDA is not a crypto stock at all mare
Ditch the NVDA an transfer BTC to cold storage.
**what im about to tell you, listen, truely hear me out.** actually it is one of the ways to measure how well a economy is doing, for a example, if a country sends 1B of items to one country and they send back 600M worth of items then we would have lost 400M dollars, now just because we are struggling now, the overall goal is to get our country to: 1. make our own products and produce in the USA to keep this from even being a risk and also so if we were to have a war with a country then they would not be able to win just by deciding not to keep sending us items, 2. its evident that at some point we do need to get items from other countries, if we are able to balance the trade we do have WHILE still running most of our products (like #1) in the USA. but this trade deficit is NOT just as small as 400M dollars as the example i just gave, look here at a quick google search you will find this: People also ask: When did the US China trade deficit start? **1985** The U.S. Census Bureau's foreign trade data show that over the past four decades, the trade deficit in goods with China has gradually increased from $6 billion in **1985** to an eye-popping $382 billion in 2022.[Library of Congress Research Guides (.gov)https://guides.loc.gov › general-trade › deficits](https://guides.loc.gov/us-trade-with-china/general-trade/deficits#:~:text=The%20U.S.%20Census%20Bureau's%20foreign,popping%20%24382%20billion%20in%202022.) now i may have not responded lately but i just dont have time for this, i am sure you can understand but i will attempt to still respond over time. now also if you have heard of the magnificent 7, the top biggest stocks in america, after these trade tariffs have gotten us deals with other countries, we have been stronger than ever and quickly growing the money we might have lost, TINKER: NVDA (aka nvidia CORP) was 138.38$ before the trade wars, now its at 133.12$. additionally, MOST of the magnificent 7 have gotten extreme amounts of bullish energy in them, most articles released about them have been bullish in the last few days. now if you dont look back at 2020 then you wont notice how bad this magnificent 7 was doing when trump was president. nvidia CORP had their stock cut in HALF because of the market crash, now heres the thing, trump was not involved or in anyway proven to be the reason of this crash, this crash was solely because of covid 19. the economy did not fair well because of covid 19, but when it really hit hard then it hurt everything, it hit the stock market first then when biden handled the whole situation poorly, it made the economy go down. biden was the reasoning for the stock crashes. you need to dig deeper to know whats true and false. as SOON as biden was elected the unemployment rate went flying up and the EXACT day biden was sworn in a president, the unemployment rate went from 3.5% to 14.8%, most of this is due to how poorly biden handled things and of course, it had to affect the economy as well! heres a bit of evidence on that: [https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-unemployment-rate.htm](https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-unemployment-rate.htm) i see bitcoin and most crypto currencies flying above the skies right now, bitcoins about to hit its altime high, solana is at 180$, and monero is at 400$ and its the most its ever been for its entire existance, and trump is truely speaking hard at getting crypto out there in america.
Point one: Gold is as good an inflation hedge as anything else. The twenty year returns on GLD are near the SP500 which is the benchmark for professional investors. Bitcoin has significantly out performed during it's 16 years and will likely continue to follow that trend with diminishing out performance (but still out performance compared to the high returns of SP500, Nasdaq, etc). Intrinsic value may or may not be what you are interested in on the second front of this question. I think you are thinking in 'fair value' terms? Gold's fair value (currently $3,288) can be loosely calculated as Fair Value of Gold = β₀ + β₁(Real Rate) + β₂(Trade-Weighted USD) + β₃(US CPI) + ε Bitcoin could be calculated using Fair Value of Bitcoin = β₀ + β₁(Real Rate) + β₂(Trade-Weighted USD) + β₃(US CPI) + β₄(Network Activity) + β₅(Supply Dynamics) + β₆(Adoption) + β₇(Regulatory Environment) + ε but those additional variables are up for debate so an actual number isn't going to be widely adopted or useful for years or even decades Intrinsic value is complicated and what a lot of people argue about in regard to bitcoin/Bitcoin (gold also faces critique from a lot of finance/investment folks that just prefer productive assets that are relatively easy to explain in financial terms). Point two: Lightning does have similarities in that most users will have a custodian manage the channels for them. One significant difference is that lightning doesn't block anyone from participation. If you ever live in another country you might see how multiple incompatible platforms are hard to deal with. Deciding on Venmo or Paypal is maybe trivial for Americans, but working internationally it is a big pain in the ass that banks often don't work together. Another difference is that the user has the option of running your own checking account digitally. With fiat you can only use cash to fully control your spending. Bitcoin's base layer gives you the ability to handle larger transactions and is pretty easy for most people to self-custody. Lightning is harder to self-host, but the self-self-sovereign option exists. Personally I don't distrust the financial system in terms of it not working over the rest of my life. Still bitcoin is useful to me in sending money internationally, storing value, and having some assets that no one can touch without my permission. Point three is extremely nuanced and I don't want to dive into that completely since this reply is already very long. My perspective is that the current system is broken in that value is being robbed of anyone that isn't a quasi-savvy investor. I grew up with a lot of working class people that don't trust big corporations anymore than the govt. Bitcoin gives people a dead-simple option to hold wealth without worrying about NVDA's earnings or the full faith and credit of the federal govt. I don't think bitcoin loses significant value if the current system lasts forever. But you might want to think in terms of decades and centuries. Fractional reserve banking and fiat currency at the current scale are fairly new experiments. Until around WW1 it was not normal to create a bunch of govt bonds and then buy them with a national bank or federal reserve. Point four: here you are misunderstanding the math. You can divide a penny infinitely too. Slicing bitcoin into smaller pieces doesn't change anything other than decimal places. There are 21 million bitcoin max. 2.1 quadrillion sats max. Keep renaming and increasing the number of units however you want. Nothing changes with the set of units. Dollars are intended to increase in supply regularly and in pretty large quantities. Fundamentally different models for issuance. The concern would be if we needed bigger units of division for bitcoin as the dollar out performs it. The usefulness (intrinsic value?) of the Bitcoin protocol ultimately determines the demand. As long as there are zero false transactions and the network continues to function there will be increased demand (maybe not a lot, maybe a ton). People have gotten used to credit card rewards and banks that baby-sit their money. But all that is fairly new. My grandparents buried money in the yard because the banks all failed when they were young. It is possible that people will (to some degree at least) decide that the banks and government are not 100% trust worthy for this essential aspect of life. I think banks and treasuries have shown themselves to be pretty bad actors in the first part of this century. Even if you think everyone in finance and financial policy is completely benevolent there is a pretty big incentive for bankers to expand lending and risk to the edges of what is legal and ethical. Politicians are perhaps even more short sighted. They typically just want to stay in office and/or make connections with the private sector for future personal enrichment.
Using 10 year data for Bitcoin at this point is silly. 2014-2017 is gone and will never be repeated. We’re still up 3300% in the 7 or so years since, which is incredible. But returns are seemingly diminishing over time and things like NVDA, Tesla, even a bunch of silly meme projects like Doge/Pepe have outperformed BTC in that period.
The next 10 years will be NVDA’s turn imo
What about those with NVDA though?
I wish I had bought Amazon in the early 2000s. I wish I had bought real estate right after the US mortgage crises in 2012 or so. I wish I had bought bitcoin earlier. I wish I had bought ETH earlier. I wish I would have bought NVDA earlier. Just this week I could think to myself "I wish I had bought ETH". Don't fall into this trap. Keep informed and make the best decisions you can.
Bitcoin is up 554% the last 4 years while S&P500 is up 50%, NVDA is up 102%. You can make yourself feel better by picking some limited sample time period but with institutional investors limited bitcoin only around 17-19mill in circulation it’s clearly going higher with volatility of course. If you’re a boomer 50-60 years old you’ve had your time to milk every asset class for the last 40 years. Stay on the sidelines now.
No. TSLA, NVDA, PLTR. All disruptive technology like BTC. There are plenty of chances to diversify (a little) and still make great gains. All-in-one, no way Jose!
If BTC does hit those highs there's no way dominance is going to be that low. I don't see a world where the shitcoin market cap is $5 trillion, that's worth more than AAPL and NVDA combined
Not MSTR. I hold: VUSA (VOO), NVDA, AMZN. I did have MSTR for a bit but not a fan.
The issue is 99% of you are just chasing returns. But returns exist outside of Bitcoin. as I've said many times--why didn't you get rich off of NVDA? TSLA? AAPL? Countless other stocks? The other issue is 99% of you lack any basic understanding of personal finances. If it was that simple to get rich, everyone would've done it already. Yet most people here don't even get basic concepts like budgeting, savings, compounded returns, etc. Concepts like DCA only suddenly became a thing as they learned about Bitcoin but they never DCA-ed at all into 401ks or IRAs. Do yourself a favor and learn about personal finance before you just talk about chasing returns. Because let's face it. You all already mostly failed given you missed out on easy 100,000x returns. At this point an additional 100,000x return is extremely unlikely.
100% made up. Blockchain news: "According to **Crypto Rover**, Nvidia ($NVDA) is reportedly considering adding Bitcoin ($BTC) to its balance sheet" Binance: "According to **Odaily**, Nvidia is reportedly considering the possibility of incorporating Bitcoin into its balance sheet" Twitter: "according to a message posted by the X platform account solidintel\_x, chip giant Nvidia (US stock code NVDA) is currently reportedly exploring the possibility of allocating some of its company assets to Bitcoin" Me: According to my ass, all these dumb fucking "news" article are made up and OP you should be ashamed of yourself for sharing it.
I agree with this. I’m still holding NVDA and Oracle from 2021, along with others. I did get into Qup (done very well, but I’ll hold for a long time) and Jump In Jack, as well. It’s been rolling and it’s still super early. I like to find things early and hold for the long term.
Unsubstantiated rumors on X that NVDA is adding it to their balance sheet
Banking and digital contracts. The biggest value I can see is enabling 24/7 trading markets. Want to buy NVDA after hours? Nope. However, if there is an ETH contract, for example, that says I'll pay you X dollars for X shares when the market opens, it allows you to trade at any time. I believe this is what the supposed Texas Stock Exchange is planning to do.
Anyone else successfully buy NVDA at the highest it will ever be? Mission accomplished.
When she initially sold NVDA I lost all trust in her.
Dumb comment. I am not saying that I would have held to $109,000. I am saying that the "a win is a win" mentality is fraught with dangers. I refuse to think in terms of "a win is a win". This is why I have 5000 NVDA at 24.
True. I’ve made more money this year on RKLB, KULR, IONQ, OKLO TSLA and NVDA. In the stock market than in crypto
Next target: when BTC price reaches 121,500 USD, it will dethrone NVDA as well.
Why does it matter? Your goal in life is to make enough to provide for yourself, your family, and have some leftover to enjoy. If you haven't been investing in stocks your whole life and suddenly think you'll get rich quick off of Bitcoin... lol joke's on you. Bitcoin already 10,000x-ed. Where were you? NVDA and TSLA 20xed in the past few years. Where were you?
That's when they tell you they bought NVDA in 2017, too.
I’ve become a millionaire 147 times thanks to Bitcoin. Those little coins gave me the freedom not to worry when I was let go from a prestigious board position for choosing not to get vaccinated during COVID. It turned out to be a blessing in disguise 🤭. I’m now serving on the boards of three even more prominent Fortune 15 companies and put it all on BTC and NVDA.
yet there are still here outperforming NVDA and MSFT.
….. *and outperforming* MSFT and NVDA.
Yup, something like $OM would've been bought like crazy (and dumped soon after) but you could make money on drama like this Market seems to be dead atm I had better luck buying NVDA dip
Such posts are just cringe. You're right Bitcoin has shot up miraculously in value from 2009 to 2025 even accounting for all the ups and downs. You'd be filthy rich. But why are we all here? Is it because we invested in 2009 and are laughing from our billionaire yachts? No, it's because 99.999% of you are dirt poor and hoping that somehow Bitcoin will save your financial life. I can name countless other examples of assets that have mooned since 2009. AAPL, TSLA, NVDA, GME, the rest of FAANG, etc are just a few to name. If you didnt' get rich off of Bitcoin, why didn't you get rich off of any of these other assets? I get it, you're all just pathetic failures hoping that somehow you pick the right assets for the next 50,000% return. We all want that, but maybe instead of relying on that as your only path to financial success, you can try working hard? For instance I graduated just before 2009 into the great recession. Yes, life sucked, but you know what, we had 15 years of a bull market since and economic growth that got better and better. Maybe 10 years ago in 2015 you could point at how life sucked and we were still recovering, but since everything has gotten better. My own income has 6x-ed since 2009. So even without Bitcoin or stonks, you should be able to climb yourself whether its career growth, income growth, etc.
Exactly just look at for example NVDA it lost between 40 and 50% over a few months then and bitcoin around 25%.
Not if you live in the US and pay for goods and services within the US in dollars. Why not accept MSFT or NVDA stock for tax payments; they are just as stable as Bitcoin.
Don't be naive. Bitcoin is excellent but saying it's the ONLY asset that'll keep going up is a bit of a dumb statement. Gold, stocks, real estate, collectibles, etc. List goes on. Is Bitcoin going to appreciate more? Possibly. But I've seen some collectibles skyrocket even higher than BTC over certain periods. NVDA did almost 1000% in the same time it took bitcoin to crash from 60k down to 15k and then back to 60k. Don't get me wrong, I love my BTC, but I definitely don't believe it's the only appreciating asset out there.
I do $10,000 per pay period (every two weeks) rain or shine to BTC. 15% to 401k, max a Roth, and about $2,500 in a mix of VTI, QQQM, NVDA, and IBIT stock/etf.
It \*is\* a sensational exaggeration. It's hyperbole born of paranoia. But then we have almost every day posts of people who have been scammed or have lost their coin. "Not your keys, not coins coins", well bye-bye to both... Plus, this kind of mentality goes exactly against the planetary spreading of Bitcoin, which will make us all rich. It does not make sense to think that the Government will seize your Bitcoin but not your dollars, or your NVDA shares, or your second home, or you cars and horses. EO 6102 drives them mad, but that was another time and another mentality. It would never work today.
Crypto ain't even degen anymore compared to megacap US equities. NVDA did 20% yesterday and there were 20 to 100x gains all over the mega cap options chains yesterday.
Of course anyone can find a winning asset. But why aren't you rich already from Bitcoin? Why didn't you get rich off of NVDA? TSLA? AAPL? There are countless ways to get rich.
Yeaaaaaa fuck stocks. I’d take bitcoin at 78k every day of the week this year before touching any American stock with a 100 foot poll (maybe NVDA with a 10 ft pole if it drops below 50)
Bitcoin is tracking the price of most major stocks, what's your point? Could have invested in NVDA 5 years ago and still be better off.
NVDA depends on AI. AI depends on GPU. GPU depends on rare earth. 90% of US rare earth imports come from China. China put tariffs on US imports but they also restrict rare earth exports to the US now. GPU not only become more expensive to produce in the US but companies that want to invest in the US will have difficulties finding the minerals they need to transform. Now, there are potentially other sources. Like Russia. But even if you lift the sanctions, there is no one mining it because aĺl the men of fighting age are in factories or in the army. And the concept of women doing traditional male jobs in Russia isn't really developed. Of course, there are rare earth deposits in Canada. Tariffed and won't be sold to the US. In the Dominican Republic: not ready to be exploited yet and subject to tariffs. In Ukraine: occupied by Russia in a war zone. In Wyoming: not ready to be exploited until a few years, and since every single piece of equipment needed just increased in cost, the project will be delayed. No financial institutions are going to loan money until the markets have stabilized and they can't do an IPO when all the stocks have cratered. But you do what you do. I am simply reminding you that the US just crippled their entire AI business. China is the clear victor. The US lost by a self inflicted wound. Unless some states manage to carve out exemptions for themselves, that business is moving elsewhere. And it's going to take time.
Are you guys just pulling numbers out of your ass? In the last year: BTC: +22% NVDA: +7%
Neat. NVDA did like 500% or more in that time frame.
You’re better off buying stocks at this point in terms of percentage gain. For BTC to go up 50% it needs to 120k +. I’d rather buy NVDA as it would need to get back to $130 for the same gain. Less risky and will prob stay up once it gets there without worrying about crazy volatility.
If you search my posts, I called the top in NVDA, and I called the level it’s at right now weeks ago. I have worked with plenty of hedge funds.
You have to be more humble, curious and less arrogant to understand bitcoin in the first place. Otherwise your “easy money” would be still S&P500 and NVDA.
Bitcoin is so big now it’s just astonishing, I feel like it is truly becoming the Global S&P or NASDAQ It shows that while it’s a risk-on asset there is still demand for it, even NVDA, QQQ, APPL, are all down more than Bitcoin on the week as typing this
Bitcoin is absolutely going to crash once the market opens.. the reason is pretty simple. It follows the stock market. NVDA premarket is 5.5% down.
OP, I like your common sense approach. The Bitcoin community attracts, by its nature, individuals with a high degree of paranoia about what the government will do to their money. It is in the nature of the "start" of the coin. However, as Bitcoin unavoidably expands and becomes mainstream, a huge number of individuals will be attracted to BTC as an excellent store of wealth and superior currency, and the risk of confiscation will be very low in their estimation. I recognise myself in this description. I see no reason why a Government who goes the expropriation route should choose BTC and say "if you have $3bn in NVDA shares nothing happens to you, but woe to you you have 0.2 BTC because I'll take them away". 6102 was a very exceptional measure. Countries like Italy have not started to expropriate gold, not even during WWI or WWII. If you ask me, it's something like the $5 wrench attack. It's good to reflect on these things, perhaps dedicate to them a part of the strategy. But going all hardcore bitcoiner is something that most people have neither the mentality nor the technical knowledge for. Not my keys. Still my coins.
To a degree yes. But with stocks have fundamentals. Fundamentals in investing are based on PE (Price to Earnings), revenues, future growth, return on equity, profit margins, the economy, interest rates and other financial data to determine the fair market value of a company. If the price tanks low enough, it will scream buy because PE will be low enough especially if it's a growing company. Crypto has no such fundamentals. It's based on speculation that the price will go up because of demand, macro conditions, hedge against inflation, etc. This is true for Bitcoin. This is also true for Gold. This is why Warren Buffet doesn't invest in Gold -- he does not touch speculative assets. The problem is crypto investors financially illiterate and think their shitcoins have utility and fundamentals. You will often hear illiterate crypto bros saying, the price keeps tanking but I am buying more because the fundamentals are still intact, the tech is great, etc. Technology, Scalability, TPS, Energy Efficiency, Network Security, Decentralization, Feelessness, etc all these attributes that crypto investors keep pointing to as fundamentals are NOT fundamentals. And yes, the mETH Head brain rot mantra of Triple Halving, Supply Crunch, RWA are all meme narratives and NOT fundamentals. If you try to value ETH in terms of PE ratio, it would have something 130+ PE ratio. For comparison, the S&P 500 has like a 25 PE ratio which is considered historically overvalued. High growth companies like Amazon and Apple have PE ratios in the 30s, NVDA an ultra high growth company right now has a PE in the 50s. Only meme stocks like GME have PE ratios in the 130s. **So ETH having fundamentals is a Meme.**
1 BTC is as arbitrary as “324 NVDA shares”. Decide first whether you think BTC is the best investment you can make. If the answer is yes, invest in it as much as you reasonably can.
As for vocabulary words and what they mean, investopedia is a great resource. YouTube is another great resource for general information as well. Just be careful on YouTube as learning all kinds of different things can actually hinder your progress as a trader. Too much information, especially information retaining to different things in the market can be bad and confusing. Start with a general topic and research subjects within that topic. Also every YouTuber can put out good or bad information. It’s up to you to decide what to do with that information. For example. Swing trading. Look at how to swing trade and how it works. Then how are you going to swing trade? Whether that will be buying stock shares, option contracts, or futures or forex. Then, what are you going to trade? Is that SPY, Apple, NVDA, or TSLA? Then ask yourself how are you going to do it? What is your strategy to swing trade that stock? The last question is most likely the hardest thing to do. A strategy brings everything you’ve learned onto the charts. Learning and practicing a strategy you will use to trade live will make it or break it. You can come up with your own or use someone else’s. Not every strategy will work. It’s different for each trader. 100% win rates is nearly impossible. Also, read up or research on risk management and emotions during trading. Those two factors are some of the biggest factors people forget. Risk management is important so you don’t loose all your money in one trade. Emotions are important as they can lead you to revenge trade or oversize your position. One more thing, use trading view to look at charts and do technical analysis. Stocks react to technical analysis 90% of the times. This includes trends and key levels. Very similar, if not the same as DEX screener and works in the same way, just better features.
Tarrifs are linked with stocks, stocks are linked with crypto (NVDA especially), when NVDA dumps (+NDX) crypto dumps, you can check it out yourself.
And? Bitcoin only has that potential if it actually replaces world finance, and it won't. Go invest into Bitcoin. You should, and everyone should. But it should be a part of your asset allocation. Don't forget to contribute to your 401k/IRAs. I'm going to bet you didn't contribute to those steadily for 14 years because if you did, you'd see how massive your balance would be today. My 401k 14 years ago was $40k. Today it's over $500k. Could it have been $50 million if it were Bitcoin? But if it were that easy why didn't everyone else do it? That's why you cant' be greedy. If you think it's so easy to find a 1000x increasing asset, then why didn't you get rich off of NVDA, TSLA, AAPL, AMZN, CSCO, MSFT, etc.? Oh that's right. It's easier said than done.
I mean it depends what you consider to be the desirable properties of Bitcoin. If it's only about price action, then we've already had a few, like ETH and NVDA. In terms of paradigm changing technical innovation, we've had LLMs, perovskite photovoltaic cells, ebikes, and we're possibly getting fusion power soon™. There's a ton of stuff going on, just gotta keep those eyes peeled.
Totally agree. People need to stick to their strategy and stop chasing emotions. Same pattern every cycle. Ethereum and NVDA might be two of the most undervalued plays right now—they’re involved in everything, and we’re heading into a fully digital world. Most still don’t see it
If you’re talking about $ gains then absolutely yes, just look around. NVDA a 30 year old company just did a 25x in 5 years
Trash heap guy could have focused on doing so much rather than Bitcoin. He should have bought NVDA or anything other than spend so much for it. I hope he does well. If he did get it he would likely be bankrupt in 3 years from that time because he doesn't know how to secure his stuff.
OH THAT!!! yes, sorry bout that. I bought some NVDA.. my bad
Well you seem new to this market, and quite frustrated about something else maybe. I've been holding since 2016-2017 and have lived through these cycles and sharing meaningful experience. Yes, Apple has been stagnant in their monthly chart. But what it proves is that you are the cherry picker given that among TSLA, AMZN, NVDA, META & AAPL there is only one outlier and you picked it...
You want a monthly timeframe ? Even better ! TSLA is down almost 40% in the past month. NVDA is down 20% in the past month. Meta almost 20% down in the past month. These are some of the Highest companies in the world by marketcap. The point is, you don't compare Bitcoin to SPY overall, you compare it to tech stocks. And in past cycles, bitcoin movement has been much much much more volatile and violent in times of crisis. For having lived it. This feels very very mild, and is a clear sign that it is becoming so much more resilient. Almost 80K usd , at a 17% fear and greed index ? The potential upside is insane.
Bunch of garbage there (excluding NVDA)
1. All cryptos are fundamentally the same. Same technology, capitalised by the same players and traded by the same sort of people for the same reason using the same tools, on the same platforms. Crypto traders are about as diverse as a KKK meet and greet. 2. The crypto market and particular US stocks are \*highly\* correlated. 3. Stock prices are being jolted by US events. None more so than TSLA, though NVDA, also popular among the crypto bros, is also struggling to fend off accusations of irrelevance as the AI hype cycle moves from 'the peak of inflated expectations' to the 'trough of disillusionment'. 4. As these particular stocks with questionable valuations sink, crypto is also sinking as people are forced to liquidate crypto positions to meet calls to try and cover their over-leveraged positions. 5. Adjacent to 4, Trump's establishment of crypto reserves is absurd, and the market knows it. A small group of thieves has seized control of a bottomless purse and they have form for financial crime and price manipulation. In fact, he established his own coin which he named after himself for a successful rug pull. Therefore the crypto reserve is not seen by traders as a good thing, particularly those outside of the US where sentiment has turned sharply negative. 6. Because of the above, liquidity for trading is drying up. Liquidity for capitalising the coins is also drying up as the big money watches the storm roll in. 7. Market makers are moving defensively against TSLA anticipating a failure. While it looks like it's going to jump if it doesn't do it soon they'll just shove it off the window ledge anyway as that's where the profit is. In summary, people can concoct all of the implausible bullshit they want to explain crypto prices but fundamentally it's always been pinned to real assets. Always was. And now those assets are going bye-bye.
The question you need to ask is whether or not you're in a bubble. It's looked to me for a while that there's a bit of a tech stock / crypto cult that's attractive to certain types of people that trade very aggressively to try and get rich. This has led to this significantly sized group of people in a particular country, weaponised by online crypto and share platforms, borrowing to buy overleveraged positions on crypto and tech stocks - particularly TSLA and NVDA. While it's arguably difficult to put a price on crypto currencies, it's relatively much easier to work out what stocks are really worth at a point in time. The difficulty facing the market I think is that TSLA has a supernormally optimistic p/e but is facing a massive backlash from institutional stockholders, its own customers and the public. This is reflected in the falling stock price. As a result, a lot of crypto investors are being forced to liquidate their positions to address margin calls on their stock positions or just failing out. There's definitely a lot of money going over the event horizon, but there's still some optimism/blind hope/whatever which is why the stock prices are falling down stairs instead of off a cliff. For now. However, as the stock falls, p/e rations also fall and even a strong p/e on the s&p500 gives TSLA a target price of about $60. This would be a systemic issue for US stocks and financial institutions. Also, sadly, with the prospect of an ongoing and likely expanding war in Europe, and the US deciding to sit this one out, military-related Euro stocks are climbing sharply (possible creating another bubble, at the expense of the aforementioned stocks). Trump's involvement is also degrading cryptos because in the market's eyes as it's clearly an open attempt at price manipulation by a small group that has now seized control of a bottomless money pot so even people that aren't being forced to sell are heading for the exits. Most serious investors have always viewed crypto with grave suspicion and this latest move just validates those concerns. Bottom line; if it is a crash I'd expect the downward momentum to accelerate into next week. If you can afford to get out then you should seriously think about that. Unfortunately, if the verdict is that we really are in a bubble then it's bigger than anything in modern history so there's probably not much you can do anyway.
Have you used the platform? As someone who thought all of this as well, I did a little bit more research and have used the platform to buy NVDA and Apple stock as a test.. It works and they're doing cool things.. It's probably one of the few projects out there with real world use case... I think this cycle will be governed by stock tokenisation plays like WHITE and ONDO since this is the cycle of institutional money
Exactly what I done, NVDA at 112. Good moves all round.
I was beginning to kick myself for panic selling at 35% profit but now i feel quite smug about it. Just sold my xrp for a 250% profit this morning and bought into NVDA at $110 so hoping that’s going to be a safer bet going forward.
The bottom can fall out of markets priced in a deflating asset... BTC on the other hand... has a buy below that will prevent it from ever reaching basement prices. For example, if for some reason we saw BTC somehow reach $10k... I would buy 10 coins... I'd sell everything I owned to do so. Am I going to do that to buy NVDA or SPY if I see it fall 90%... nope.
This is what drives me crazy. Technically analysis has been showing us this is the direction the market has been heading for days after days now. Then, this morning S&P open alongside NVDA, COIN, and MSTR simply indicated the gun was going to be leaded today to retrace and test 85k support levels. Once this $89,600.00 breaks it’s again, another level of easy money. This bull trap stuff, is it copioum? I dunno, but it seems to be.
I am not his base so not sure if thats what you're looking for. But if you’re hoping for some grand plan, I think you might be disappointed. Markets don’t like uncertainty, and right now, Trump’s policies, especially the tariffs, are creating a lot of it. Crypto is very often at the forefront of the market, and it tends to react more violently to unfavorable news than tech stocks for example, that are already notorious for their turbulent reactions. So, the current situation is the consequence, of uncertainty and a crypto market that was already crabbing for a long while, not just crypto by the way. Check a 6 month NVDA chart and you'll see they are in the red at the moment (6 months is long for tech stocks or crypto). TSLA is bleeding red for example as well.
What an asinine assumption. No, apples and oranges. Trump coin has fallen 75%. NVDA has fallen 14% in the past 5 days. Your attempt at an insult is just a jab at yourself.
AI tokens are as related to NVDA and AI hardware in the same degree that Chuck-e-Cheese Tokens are.
Thanks NVDA for giving the market permission to keep this bubble going a while longer.
Everyone ready for NVDA earnings after-hours??? 😍
NGL, motley fool told me to invest in NVDA in 2018
Which tariff do you think boosted NVDA's earnings the most?
Today the stock market is also going to rip, then NVDA gonna beat earnings. Throw in a mineral deal and maybe an EO about crypto. This is the day🚀
Vibes-based investing. That often goes well. Don't feel. *Think*... BTC has no fundamentals or cash flows, so it's ALL catalyst based. There are no positive catalysts coming from the president any time soon. Meanwhile, global liquidity - a key driver of crypto risk appetite - is rapidly draining. As global liquidity and risk appetite goes down, crypto is the FIRST asset class to get trimmed for safety. All of Trump's policy flailing has created high demand for safety. If NVDA comes out with even the gentlest of soft forward guidance tomorrow, have a bottle of something ready.
If you did buy NVDA shares instead of BTC you'd have spent 112k shares in 2017 and 3k shares in 2025 to buy that house, so a much better investment compared to the 24:4 of BTC The point is, bitcoin should be praised for its characteristics, not for its speculation
Sorry /u/Smiling_Jack_, we couldn't process the withdraw request for NVDA.
It all hinges on NVDA's earnings report and guidance.
It's nice that Solana is trying to expand beyond the rugcoin casino, but for context TSLA and NVDA stocks are already tokenized on Ethereum (through 'Backed Finance'), Polygon (through 'Swarm'), Arbitrum and Base (both through 'Dinari'). I agree completely with this statement though: > I think that in 2025, Real World Assets (RWA) is the sector with the greatest growth potential in crypto. As well as Blackrock (the biggest asset manager in the world) who have tokenized hundreds of millions of dollars worth of US treasuries, Visa (the biggest card payment company in the world) and UBS (the biggest private bank in the world) are also deploying tokenization projects, with plenty of other financial institutions also involved. > **Visa** Tokenized Asset Platform (VTAP) is a new product that helps banks issue fiat-backed tokens. BBVA will use VTAP to create tokens on the public Ethereum blockchain https://investor.visa.com/news/news-details/2024/Visa-Introduces-the-Visa-Tokenized-Asset-Platform/default.aspx > UBS USD Money Market Investment Fund Token” (“uMINT”), a Money Market investment built on Ethereum https://www.ubs.com/global/tc/media/display-page-ndp/en-20241101-first-tokenized-investment-fund.html > **Deutsche Bank** has announced that it is building a layer-2 (L2) blockchain on Ethereum. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-12-18/deutsche-bank-tries-to-tackle-compliance-hurdles-for-public-blockchains Both [UBS's multiple RWA initiatives](https://www.tradingview.com/news/u_today:4c8d6b2d7094b:0-largest-swiss-bank-ubs-tests-its-product-on-ethereum-s-l2-zksync/) and [Deutsche Bank's L2](https://www.db.com/news/detail/20240514-deutsche-bank-joins-project-guardian-to-explore-asset-tokenization-applications?language_id=1) are part of a much larger program called '[Project Guardian](https://cointelegraph.com/learn/articles/project-guardian-explained)', led by the [Monetary Authority of Singapore](https://www.mas.gov.sg/publications/monographs-or-information-paper/2024/guardian-funds-framework) and with a huge number of financial entities participating, ranging from from [asset managers](https://gftn.co/sff-2024-videos-payments/project-guardian-tokenized-investment-vehicles-for-asset-and-wealth-management), market operators, custodians, credit rating agencies like [Moody](https://ir.moodys.com/press-releases/news-details/2024/Moodys-Announces-Participation-in-Project-Guardian-to-Explore-Asset-Tokenization/default.aspx), commercial and [central](https://www.bundesbank.de/en/press/press-releases/bundesbank-joins-project-guardian-943616) banks and even regulators like the [UK's Financial Conduct Authority](https://www.fca.org.uk/news/statements/fca-joins-forces-global-regulators-foster-digital-innovation-project-guardian). So yea, for those paying attention it is clear that RWAs are going to be the next step of mainstream adoption, as the traditional financial world slowly migrates onchain.
De-risking leading up to NVDA earnings. Haven't seen that before..
I'm mainly in ETH, so I'm holding regardless - unless it somehow pushes beyond 3000 then I'm cutting ties for a bit. I will be DCAing out of some my crypto adjacent shares this week. I think NVDA earnings and Wall St will either expedite the fall down or push upwards.