BTC

Aseira

BTC is the best bet long term. ETH if you like more risk. I wouldn't touch anything else.

Novel-Common-3547

Talking about future, we have to take into account a possibility of crypto space being more and more (if not fully) integrated into current financial systems. With that in mind, big financial institutions would probably go with ISO compliant cryptos. Those are mainly XRP, ADA, XLM, MIOTA, ALGO, HBAR, XDC and QNT. Will BTC be around? Well, probably yes. Being the biggest now, being considered a store of value “like gold”, it will probably be with us for many many many years. Big players like ETH and SOL have big and great communities behind them. But, I am honestly not sure if that is enough, if cryptos become integrated. I think they would, if not being ISO compliant, lose its value. Interesting, tho very speculative, is Worldcoin. Sam Altman being one of the creators and Peter Thiel being one of the primary financial backers, who knows what can happen.

Monster213213

What’s the point of having hundreds of billions of dollars of BTC if no one believes you’ll ever sell it - for profit, to protect your equity, or for dividends They believe it now.

rankinrez

The actual level of buy support in real dollars for BTC is relatively thin. Selling large amounts of it for dollars will influence the price. Simple as.

Syrion1984

I've been around for long enough to not really get panicked by anything anymore at this point. All I see with these sells are possibilities to strengthen my holdings on the dip. Been doing it for years now and will continue to do so until I acquire enough BTC to become financially independent.

Old_Network1961

BTC. For anything else I am not sure...

sarcastic_bastard

Only BTC and thats a big if.

Fluffy-Ad-2895

I used changelly to swap usdc to BTC. Am I at risk of losing my funds? Have I put my ledger nano at risk? I have received my BTC. Thanks

nestiebein

Why buy shitcoins when you can short them to hedge against BTC dumps.

Gr8WallofChinatown

If the bubble bursts then you’re going to see BTC crater down. Rates are going to rise twice due to inflation. If the bubble bursts Saylor will have to dump most of his bags soon because he is barely affording his debt and interest obligations

zzzipitt

I use trezor 5 BTC only. Never had any problems and I like it.

ValorousAnt

Well don't take my word for it. But here is how I feel: * Crypto-sentiment very low plus it is already mainstream. I feel like the amount of gullible investors is exhausted for a few years. Need a new batch. The average degen that used to gamble on crypto has moved to prediction markets or stocks. Why invest in BTC when you can find 20-100x gains on tech stocks. * Stock market is starting to show signs of AI hype exhaustion on multiple levels. Bubble will pop but will it be months or years from now. Who knows. If stock market shits the bed it will 100% make crypto shit the bed as well. * MSTR business model relies on cheap money + ever-increasing BTC value appreciation + degen investors.

Romanizer

Schiff is just salty because he couldn't load up as much as Strategy. I bet he only has a few hundred BTC.

quintavious_danilo

BTC is up for the week. They sold into an upward movement, which is quite clever.

Mission_Sir2220

Yes, but once you fail into the water you want something tangible that save your life, that’s have a real value and save you. BTC and any currency that is not backed by anything physical is just a state of mind, you can give any value you want. It is like art you can agree or disagree it has function the value is purely speculative and opinionated. Thats why finding mathematical properties is just an illusion.

Laukess

Why not burn the 95%? Wallets with less than 0.1 BTC isn't really a thing you can track. It would be UTXO's with less than 0.1 BTC. They wouldn't be 'fairly' distributed that way. You would probably end up giving a lot of bitcoin to people who's got a lot of small UTXO's, maybe a small store or exchanges that ends up with a lot of small UTXO's from withdrawals. Think Coinbase was in that position in 2017, where they had millions in bitcoin they could not spend because the fees were too expensive.

Lavayo

With the selling yesterday MSTR hast bought 847.395 BTC and sold 3620 BTC. Yes, the BTC sold yesterday were sold at a loss - which enables them to use them as a tax write off. But at that ratio I really don't see a consistent pattern of buy high sell low. If anything they DCA. A better point is that MSTR tends to BUY the top. MSTR has more capital available when BTCs/MSTRs price is higher. They have to buy the top to some extend. YTD they bought 67,99% of the coins they bought in 2024 (year with most aquired BTC yet). In a bear market. Thats 21,57x the BTC they managed to buy in the entirety of last bear market year in 22, if they don't buy another coin til new year. In all likelyhood it will be considerably more.

Educational_Cable405

Worth checking whose sale that actually was. When the headline says Saylor sold, it's usually him personally offloading MSTR shares he got from options or covering a tax bill, not the company touching its treasury BTC. Strategy's actual coins haven't moved. Same scary dollar number gets printed for two completely unrelated things.

SamCroww

Strategy dumps, BTC pumps.

Dangerous_Relief8971

the runway math is right but it assumes credit markets stay open to Strategy the whole time. the real tail risk isn't the dividend itself, it's what happens to that monetization capacity if BTC grinds sideways AND their own borrowing costs go up at the same time. schiff's framing is dumb but "does the market stay liquid enough for them to keep tapping it" is the actual question

Ill_Imagination_6791

Just uy 2-4 hardware wallet. And split the BTC. Just to be sure and secure

Lavayo

MSTR has more capital available when BTCs/MSTRs price is higher. They have to buy the top to some extend. That said they bought 67,99% of the coins they bought in 2024 (year with most BTC buys) just in 6 months YTD. In a bear market. Thats 21,57x the BTC they managed to buy in the entirety of last bear market year in 22, if they don't buy another coin til new year. In all likelyhood it will be considerably more. I would say they are "timing the market" as good as it is practically possible. In they end they just DCA.

chenda_lin

I keep a small position in BTC. total USD value of all transaction fees paid to miners appears to be decreasing over time for quite a while now

tklite

BTC community is always sour when BTC is off ATH.

Mak333

I bought more MSTR, MSTX, and 10X leverage BTC with a $68k cost average. I'm down a lot, but patience wins this game. See you at the moon fellas. Going to be a good ride.

LazyLifeguard

It takes too long time to move the BTC to another wallet / exchange and wait for confirmations to be real. The price dumped 80% by this point. That being said, he would still be rich but like you say everyone knows who he is. Not easy decision.

Recent-Bill7570

Avoid the MSTR Ponzi and consider buying BTC directly if you want exposure to the market.

Realistic_Fee_00001

Somewhere in the NgU craze this knowledge got lost. It didn't help that BTC refused to scale and could not process enough transactions during peak usage.

theultimateusername

Start sending random amounts of BTC to different wallets, one being your own 🤣

19YoJimbo93

Good thing BTC’s price is falling.

Realistic_Fee_00001

Well, that's provable wrong since BTC hardforked already before 2017. There were no free coins. I don't know how often I have to tell you that. The coins split, like a stock split. >Soft forking the signature method is not exactly the same Soft forks has been propagandized because it gives the devs overproportional power. A hard fork is simply a fork that expands the rule set. A Soft fork is a fork that tightens the rule set. That's it. Any sane approach uses both according to what is needed. Segwit was a hard fork at heart because it introduced new rules outsite the current rule set. To make it a soft fork they hid all the new rules from old nodes behind "anyone can spend" transactions. Old nodes don't even get sent the Segwit part.

Internet_is_tough

People don't know that there isn't a Satoshi wallet. A "Satoshi wallet" reallity has been implied by the Quantum fudders who want to make you believe someone will push a button and steal 1m bitcoins. In reality Satoshi's BTC are spread amongst 20 thousand addresses containing exactly 50 BTC each. It wasn't a way for him to keep a fortune it was just kickstarting the network with the first mined blocks. Obviously no one can know the private keys to those addresses, there is nothing to be found.

Fro3en_Cornchip

Personally I would go BTC only wallets. When it was my first purchase it came down to jade, coldcard and bitbox02. All are good choices.

quintavious_danilo

What’s funny is that the market totally ignored the fact that Saylor finally sold. Makes me bullish actually for both, BTC and MSTR.

kikiichiban

Send some BTC to me

eckstuhc

5% finders will have you set for life. Then airdrop the remaining 95% to all wallets < 0.1 BTC with activity in the last 2 years. Keep the ecosystem alive and well.

Normal_Zebra136

Depending on your cost basis on the BTC, the 5% may pay the capital gains tax due on the purchase!

CaffeineComaMode

What he means is that 1 BTC = 1 BTC forever. You can't really say the same for any other fiat currency.

Digital-Exploration

No BTC or ETH? Damn dude

Braehole

Buy BTC now and sell when it gets to 4x after the next halving in 2 to 2.5 years. Rinse and repeat.

Rain_sc2

There is zero point in buying MSTR because of the infinite dilution risk whenever they raise capital by selling ATM newly printed shares If you want leverage just buy perps, you’ll fare much better. Or even better dont lever up and just put it all in BTC

SkyEnvironmental7746

No thanks on the BTC

Remarkable_Wish_5106

BTC has an identity crisis now, it doesn't serve any role in a portfolio, and it has lost what role it plays in the financial markets. Maybe over time it can be solved, or it might just go into a long-term bear market.

EmJay6010

None of these patterns really hold weight if you think about it objectively. The traditional bottom has been historically right after the price moved below the 200 WMA. That already happened. Also, the last halving didn't quite match up time wise with the ATH. Also all of these assumptions are based on what, a N of 4 or 5? Tell me where anywhere in statistical analysis that this N value holds any power. So these "patterns" are based on some cycle, which in itself doesn't quite match up to other technical markers within its own previous cycles, where we have introduced a new variable and a large, if not the largest source of liquidity ever seen for BTC in etfs, never present before in any other cycle, yet, we expect this arbitrary 4 year "cycle" to hold true

PermaWatchingDXY_67

I'd build a BTC position FIRST, before taking on additional alt risk

ZaimonXd

Go for BTC only account

CODE_HEIST

i get the simplicity of that view. BTC, ETH, and SOL are cleaner than chasing every rotation. my point is more that if someone is going outside that basket, they need a real invalidation plan before buying. otherwise the mistake already happened.

SpacklingCumFart

Na, they have real assets going live on their chains and are being used by large financial institutions. BTC might be the alt at this point as it does nothing, provides nothing and yields nothing.

Lacklusterspew23

When Trump makes BTC purchases of consumer goods and food under $200 not taxable, i.e., within a year.

Ms_TitAdorable

I think it's normal, but don't let investing stop you from living. You don't have to choose btc every single time. BTC will always be there, but some experiences and moments won't. Balance is key.

SpacklingCumFart

Altcoin mistakes start with buying an altcoin. There are only 3 viable plays in crypto, BTC, ETH, and SOL.

Malavero

I don't understand why they demand so much from Bitcoin (not op). For how old it is, it's enormous, its growth is phenomenal. Its security is unmatched by fiat currencies. Maybe 20 years, being optimistic. Whenever you think about these questions, remember that BTC is only 17 years old.

JeremyLinForever

Because if BTC ROI is the hurdle rate, I want anything I invest in to be higher than the hurdle rate.

aluculef

My dad was in Switzerland so he buyed them really near the source. Had no trouble. Dam, everyone want your BTC it's insane

JezzaTheOzzi

US stole BTC

WarniCator

There’s a 50/50% chance that BTC will go up or down this week.

Leynnox

First it's a company, not a single dude. It's like saying Mikey Mouse is running Disney World. Secondo, it's a damn Bitcoin company, ofc they buy and sell BTC, how dumb you have to be to think they would just buy more and more without the need to sell now and then for paying investors, that's the damn point of this company lmao

MSmithRD

If ETH is gonna have a time, it's gonna be in the next 3 years. If BlackRock's tokenization prediction happens and ETH is chosen as the primary then it's ETH's best shot at exploding 10x or more. Possibly SOL as a hedge too. I'm still primarily BTC but a little ETH too...just in case

nugymmer

BTC solves this. It's scarce as fuck. Anyone can make an alt.

nugymmer

Realised that should have stuck to BTC? Hell yes!

nugymmer

Alts will alt. I will never understand why people marry them. 2030...imagine what BTC could be worth by that time? $100k+ at least? We've got another 3y before we get to a new ATH. Waiting until 2030 is like waiting for a bear market. 2029 is a better indicator.

SpacklingCumFart

BTC, ETH and SOL are the only ones that are viable long term.

Far-Department-4196

Aaand BTC and strategy are both up from yesterday.

unknowngloomth

You talk as if BTC wasn't shítcoin itself lmaooooo

thenags1

That's what happens when you have a bunch of Shitcoins and not BTC.

SilverXGold-US

Buy the dips! I bought early this morning when it dipped . Don’t be afraid to hold cash & buy dips . I think we have a few more months of buying on price drops or on news events so keep cash . I feel like I always get a good deal when I buy lower accumulating more. Remember there’s a very good chance that BTC will be over $100,000 again so at these prices it’s a no brainer 🤷🏼‍♂️

paokara777

That just means someone bought 3,588 BTC. For every seller there is a buyer

kokanee-fish

I don't buy crypto but tbh there is a bull case and it has nothing to do with Strategy: the BTC decline this year has been driven by a rotation into AI. Semiconductor stocks are showing shakiness and everyone is waiting for a bubble burst. When that happens, I think some of the capital looking for a home will revert back to crypto.

avatar4d

Fidelity lets you buy BTC in both Roth and Traditional IRAs

LeoIsLegend

🤣 if BTC goes to 10k Saylor is completely fucked, that would be a Luna scenario. He can’t borrow enough to prop MSTR up through that sort of crash. The delusion is unreal. Some people never learn. There’s always a bigger fish!

Echo0455

We are on the precipice of a halving. This is the most obvious time BTC will see an increase in value. Mstr has reserves to pay without selling til the halving and further. Even if this was a forced event and things were falling apart for them, they would tap the reserves and hide it until the inevitable up. Then cut bait sometime in the next cycle. Thats not what they are doing, before you say these things. Why not ask yourself. Why?

Reasonable_Band1536

You think BTC is in these CIT’s?

cooltone

BTC prices 29 June $60k 30 June $58.4k 06 July $64.2k Clearly OP doesn't know what he's talking about.

quantum_burp

Would strongly recommend you nuke all of this and spend the money on something that isnt designed to scam retail lol Actually, I don't think you have the brains or the connections to manage that, so just buy BTC

mel2000

According to Google, Damon's ad aired on October 28, 2021, when the price of btc closed at approximately $60,596.31. BTC went much higher later on. Didn't a lot of people make money from his advice?

L4gsp1k3

If BRICS successfully launches and becomes global, there will be no place for BTC on the international scene.

BaldGuyAce

Actually it’s a better store of value than BTC, because some years it even deflates, but unlike BTC, it’s actually used for something, so it creates a floor, similar to gold.

unknowngloomth

I didn't tell you to buy anything. You absolute clown. I don't give a flying f*ck what you do with your money. Keep holding BTC and missing out huge gains. BTC only did a 8.1x despite having an enterprise aping it. Meanwhile Nvidia alone blew BTC out of water and it was less volatile to hold it. But I guess you don't have a diversified portfolio

CoffeeAlternative647

Been in BTC since 2016 while your mommy was wipping out your ass. Im good, no need for those shitcoins. Get a life, kid

unknowngloomth

So what, lmaoo? That's a buy sign. Like I said. The crypto isn't for the faint-hearted. Stick holding your BTC and missing out huge gains elsewhere. SOl and XRP blew BTC out of water last cycle. BTC only did a 8.1 ISH from its absolute 2021 bottom to the 2025 top. Currently it's underwater from its 2021 top. Even holding and DCAing Nvidia outperformed BTC

Happydumptruck

Rotate to BTC at bare minimum for the love of god

meat-head

This is good for BTC. That’s all I know.

unknowngloomth

Hyperliquid down 7.2 down from its ATHs, zano down 40%, Venice AI down 48%. Your point? You nitpicked the worst alts. You BTC maxi regard. Crypto isn't for emotional folks like you. This guy is diversified he can sell heavily during the next euphoric bull run

HugeRoof

Tax free accounts can hold FBTC which doesn't introduce Saylor clown show, so that's not a good argument for MSTR.  I don't really care about MSTR one way or another, but MSTR is a weird way to hold BTC. 

BrawndoCrave

Thursday also saw BTC ETF inflow of $221M. One could argue a rotation from one single asset manager to multiple others is healthy for BTC long term.

FullOf_Bad_Ideas

I actually thought that this would happen but many crypto haters were sure that it's gonna spiral down now as MSTR was portrayed as Ponzi that would break bitcoin if it crashed. Truth is, BTC is bigger than MSTR and will be fine without it. MSTR is a minority holder and MSTR investors, if not invested in MSTR stock, would often just buy BTC directly. Hopefully it's going to stabilize higher up and doomers will be proven wrong.

unknowngloomth

This guy is smart unlike BTC maxis or other bagholders

FullOf_Bad_Ideas

Bitcoin is fine, it survived first larger MSTR sale, which is bullish for MSTR - many people assumed that a sale like this would break bitcoin and it would enter a downward spiral now. Meanwhile, it had a short blip and then went up. So, it may have seemed obvious to some but not everyone - BTC is bigger than MSTR and MSTR alone isn't enough to kill it.

CatPeopleBleaux

Nothing would happen to the company at $10k tomorrow. If it went to $10k tomorrow and stayed there through the EOY, yeah, there may be an issue. If that happened, there would be bigger issues within the space anyway. MSTR would have to be the first domino to create $10k BTC for 6 months. I don't see anything else doing that scenario

Worried-Paramedicc

Monthly DCA into BTC is honestly the most sane way to start, you're already ahead of 90% of this sub. One thing nobody mentions to beginners: BTC spends most of its time going sideways, not up. If the waiting bothers you, look into grid trading at some point, it buys dips and sells bounces automatically so the sideways months still produce something. I run mine on gridspot.app. But even just plain DCA and patience beats almost everything else here https://preview.redd.it/1akkxwq1cobh1.png?width=734&format=png&auto=webp&s=3d2f0aac230570ecb6a452684e920ee5ad1d17e0

AP_lookingahead

What would the market cap for $1m BTC be?

InsightKnite

You literally define BTC's value by comparison to USD which by default makes it sensitivie to USD inflation. This shit ain't hard bro 🤣

InsightKnite

There's this crazy thing called the international community. I love when BTC maxis act like USD is the only currency on the planet lol.

InsightKnite

BTC is not an investment. If you want to flip it ... yes it will make you money. Otherwise you are just holding the bag. Most of these wizards are not going to be millionaires in 20 years. That's just the facts.

ImagineDragnThseNutz

Idk but BTC treasury companies selling will probably create significant downside pressure

lsdxyxox

Bro yeah sure you altcoins may go back to B/E or even go in profit.. but you would make WAY more if you just bought BTC. Look at any of your picks in TradingView, XLMBTC, QNTBTC, XDCBTC. They are all straight down because they bleed against bitcoin.

SkyEnvironmental7746

Nope lol BTC not interested

SkyEnvironmental7746

I don’t like BTC

SN617

Great topic! The biggest thing people miss with BTC collateral loans is that you keep your long exposure while getting liquidity. You don't sell, so no taxable event and you stay in if price runs. The tradeoff is LTV risk: most lenders call margin around 50 to 60% LTV, so a sharp drop means adding collateral or getting liquidated. Understanding that dynamic is probably the most important thing going in.

No-Masterpiece2246

tbf BTC has a lot of impediments to its success. Take the tiny blocksize for instance. Of the high fees anytime people are actually using it to transact. Not to mention the captured and braindead dev team that mostly implements anti-features which are making BTC less useful.