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p51mustangkkz

I wouldn't sell it, instead I will borrow against BTC at nexo with up to 50% LTV

OldHamburger7923

Plus their expenses are paid in usd. Good luck paying power company with BTC.

OverallBlock9028

BTC cannot be printed, but: - USDT is printed even more out of thin air than fed. - Thousands of new crypto currencies are created every year. How much BTC would be without usdt fraud?

deltamark_btc

the cost basis headline misses the real trader risk. MSTR trades at a premium to its BTC NAV when sentiment is good - that premium can compress 40-60% even if BTC only pulls back 15-20%. company treasury is fine at $8-10k BTC, shareholders aren't protected the same way. different exposure.

newMoneyStyle

lmao the sats argument is real tho, nobody's paying for tacos in 0.00021 BTC. fiat ain't going anywhere for daily spend, cc fees are the actual vill

Ok_Percentage4090

BTC always waits till everyone gets bored, then starts acting crazy again lol.

mrvitz

We are in the bear market right now , probably until aprox. Oct-Nov, after that plus 3 years Bull market! Respect the 4 years cycle on BTC! I needed 10 years to believe in it!

Accomplished-Sand334

Is it hard to understand for you that the WP has a view of BTC as P2P, and this is today not the case?

DiamondHandsDarrell

Turned $117 into $14k and you want to invest that somewhere else? My guy, I've bought 2 cars and season tickets so far and ended up with more BTC than I started with. Best of luck to you.

konddmy

it does not leak, inherently has those those patterns - those are sines and cosines you learned in school :). It is not only Bitcoin, but any entropy source humans have. The only thing that truly protects you for now - is obscurity of how it's all sampled. But AI has ability to unwind that obscurity. So we propose (I wrote-up article, website updated now) a framework, methodology and a network, that would ensure that replay is not applicable to your particular wallet. The network of entropy miners is incentivized (naturally - no smart contracts; wallet users and vendors - simply end some funds to miners who provide closest examples of seeds, it's beautiful protocol - since if user does not pay, then user increases risk of miner becoming hacker), so supporters of the project - will get their share too. A bit of mob-style protocol, but backed by methodology that makes sense not only for BTC, but for everything that NIST has standardized. It has theoretical guarantee to beaf up IRL entropy. It works for any source of entropy. Bitcoin and Ledger Nano is just a start

belascob

The Math tells you… don’t sell. If you do have children you will help them and the family, Big time, with the money you will make from here. November will begin the return to strong growth. By 2030, 0.2 BTC will put you in the position of bing being priveledged.

Fro3en_Cornchip

Tired of these dumb arse questions. Has BTC reach the bottom? Guess what? No one fucking knows! Crazy right? Is now a good time to buy? Yes.. it is! If OP even bothered to research one chart you’d have a decent clue as to the timing of the cycle right now. If BTC hits 40k later this year, it’s still a good time to buy, stop trying to time the bottom. Think about when BTC hit last ATH, you were wishing you bought at 16, 20, 30 even 40k. Either was still a good time to buy. So stfu and buy!

Excellent_Can2901

I had a mid range PC in 2011 and my pool rewards were about 0.5 BTC a day back then.

quintavious_danilo

Who isn’t? But greed comes at a cost usually. Whether you like it or not, **now** is the time to buy and it’s mostly impossible to time the entry perfectly. This is your chance to get in cheap. We will most likely never see $60k again (after the next bull market). I bought my first batch of BTC at $20k back in 2022 …. but like you, I held back a substantial amount because I thought it would go lower. Guess what? It didn’t. We’ll never see $20k again. I’m now buying at 3x the price. That hurts. Lesson learned. Do it better!

InitiativeScared6583

Alright, new plan: I'm betting it all on Argentina to win the World Cup first. Once my money doubles, I'll dump half straight into BTC and use the rest to DCA. Absolute financial genius over here!

InitiativeScared6583

Alright, new plan: I'm betting it all on Argentina to win the World Cup first. Once my money doubles, I'll dump half straight into BTC and use the rest to DCA. Absolute financial genius over here!

VeryThicknLong

I’d say hold until at least 2028. Right now, stock markets are feeling the pain of a euphoric AI run. There’s also signals that it could potentially have a large correction. Also, because of this, you could literally be waiting years for the stock market to even do anything substantial. The way I see it, is the BTC pattern over the course of 4 years, is exactly the same as the stock market boom and bust over 17 years. Just a condensed version. It will get less volatile and gains will reduce, but the next 4 years will be beneficial to you, and you’ll get back much more than the £14k you have right now.

WeakEstablishment686

Hold that shit. It will 10x someday and you’ll have an incredible story about 0.21 BTC. Def not worth paying taxes on either. One of the best value plays right now vs a slightly inflated stock market

MediocreTax7927

I’ll have a look. I also see a lot of talks about Saylor. Is he a good reference? Seems to be doing a lot for BTC or for is company hard to say.

Comprehensive_Pea424

If you believe BTC will be a currency, then yes, you are late. If you believe BTC will become a store of value that tends to appreciate while fiat loses value, then you are not late.

UseMoreHops

I’ve had to sell. Started with SOL, BNB, ADA at first. Unfortunately I’ve been out of work for almost a year. I sold my ETH next and most recently I’ve sold half my BTC. I’m really glad that I had it as it has gotten me thru a tough time.

Some_Bluejay4540

lol you just want to get money… but all the coiners say FIAT will be dead… so do u want the cake or not lol. Cash is king. Always. BTC had a once in a lifetime run up. People bought at 100 thinking it would go to 10 million. Meanwhile stocks (cash) have appreciated. Cash is what 99.99 percent of everyone cares about. This is a reality check. There are still people holding out hope for LUCID since 5 years ago.

Some_Bluejay4540

If you don’t like your fiat please mail to me. Sincerely: guy who laid cash for a meal today instead of 4% CC fee. No one is using 0.00000000000000000001 BTC to buy a meal.

pommesUNDwurst

I don't think any sane person would short BTC. The bear market rallyes are way to aggressive and would liquidate you in no time. But who knows.

MediocreTax7927

I will. Do you have any other sources of information that you feel helped you? And if I’m not to much of a bother. What do you think of a stock like MSTR vs owing BTC itself?

MediocreTax7927

Again arguing with someone politely is called having a discussion. I do believe it should matter, so maybe you’re right and I do not understand, that’s also why I asked. I can be wrong and learn. I actually did, no thanks to you. You are correct I did ignore the first person mentioning the book. I did thank the second one though because it seemed to me that it must be an important read now that 2 persons mentioned it so quickly. Maybe I should’ve thanked the first one too, you are correct. Never heard of it and it sounded like any other book to me at first. The second person validated its importance. I absolutely do not know anything about BTC. That’s the first thing I said. Parading really ? I do not believe any question is stupid. Don’t you think everyone invested in BTC would gain from more people understanding it? Instead of having it guarded by the obvious elites like yourself. What I am too dumb to be teached? Are people too dumb to understand so others shouldn’t bother explaining to them that price action and cycles don’t work the way one might read here and there. Maybe try just answering politely that the question doesn’t make sense. Give a reason or two. Try to educate instead of insulting and trying to make people feel stupid. Or better yet if you’re tired of explaining and feel like people asking questions are stupid, just stay quiet. Might help people and BTC in general. Because I might not know much about it, but I do understand it needs to be way bigger, and way more people need to understand and believe in it for it to work for decades or even forever. Teaching will do that.

pommesUNDwurst

This is exactly how this game should be played. Well done! Have done this myself since the last Top in 2021. Haven't used any new funds since 2020. But will hopefully 5x my initial BTC amount if the price drops below 53k. But I haven't bought any yet. Fingers crosses ;)

_DaBau5_

you shouldn’t need to sell your investments to fund purchases unless you are experiencing hyper inflation in your currency. crypto (more specifically BTC & ETH) is better as a buy and hold than transactional currency

Dparkzz

I always keep enough cash where i am only buying BTC and investments not selling them

Clean-Wallaby3164

You think they are going to start extradiing people? Tell me what the better alternative to BTC is in this future where the government no longer respects property rights?

xianthus

BTC and stocks. Alt coins are a scam, you're just buying someone's bag. Source: DOT holder

daniel_travels

You’re both kinda right, just talking about different timeframes. Conviction is what stops you panic selling BTC at 30k. But blind belief in whatever random alt you bought is exactly how people end up bagholding to zero The difference is having a thesis you can actually falsify vs just vibing. “I think BTC is a long term store of value, I’ll DCA and hold through drawdowns” is a position. “This coin will 100x because the community is strong” isn’t And the point about the most confident people knowing the least brutal but true. Anyone giving you a price target with a date is entertaining you, not informing you

MajorAnamika

Please give a citation for that claim (4 out of 10 online shops accept bitcoin as payment), that is not from a BTC shilling outlet. And as I asked before - how do you get the BTC to pay in the first place? By buying it with actual currencies. So you first buy BTC with USD, then use that BTC to make a purchase. You could simply skip a step, you know. The fact is that Bitcoin is not used as a currency in any meaningful way. The only reason people buy Bitcoin is in the hope of selling it for more fiat currency later.

Philly_3D

It's tough because so many factors affect BTC... we can go by past cycles, but world affairs/conflicts/upsets affect all money markets, so just hope for the best and enjoy the ride.

MajorAnamika

Is it a currency, or is it a store of value? It was supposed to be a currency, but it never became one. You cannot pay for anything with BTC, close to nobody accepts it as payment. Even if you could pay with BTC, you'd have to buy that BTC with actual currency first. When it failed as a currency, it began to be marketed as a store of value.

angelwolf71885

When you see things like SilkRoad you realize it’s use case and for trading for goods and services beyond that that still dose happen while you can’t pay your power or water as of yet you can trade BTC for food and housing if you find the right group of people

Wilhelm-Edrasill

Yeah most people in 2011, thought it was a neat tech demo - and the serious finance bros - laughed it out of the room - because - anyone with a brain in 2011 knew BTC was basically acting like an un-registered Securities according to the IRS rules. So - people with real $$$ and ability to buy in, would never at that time - due to the risk element. And rich people with assets, are all about risk mitigation - not , accumulation. That said, there were some hobbyist in 2011 in socal - who would drive and meet up with USB thumb sticks to trade for garage sale stuff. Was kinda cool back then.

MediocreTax7927

To what end tho? If you can’t use it to buy anything substantial like let’s say a car or a house… food, clothes, gas. Just hold and never sell but can’t ever buy anything even if it’s worth millions? It feels like we are light years away from buying anything useful with BTC.

MajorAnamika

To be a store of value, it has to have some value in the first place. Also, check out how much BTC's inflation is over the past year.

IAmTheNorthwestWind

If BTC hits 10,000 Im buying 10 lol. Idc about interest until the next bull

MediocreTax7927

So you’re in BTC but have no clue what’s your goals or expectations about performance? I’m obviously not asking about a specific date if that wasn’t clear to you. No fun predictions? Something you think is realistic or exaggerated? You just invest without believing in anything about your returns?

Necessary-Dust2178

His video card must have sucked. 5 BTC per day was easy then.

Technical-Expert-289

Thanks for the response. I see what you’re saying. It’s difficult for non technically minded people to even follow the threads and discussions and determine for themselves who is lying and who is telling the truth. And yea, whatever the intent it definitely appeared to be a censorship campaign to some (myself included). Can you enlighten me on what the status of my current stack will be like in the worst case scenario of how this plays out? As a casual holder if I just do nothing does my stack remain true BTC?

Odd-Fun-1482

statisically, BTC wasn't a thing back when the S&P was incurring it's own drawdown periods. So charts dont apply. Use logic.

Inevitable_Line_8246

I agree. A trader with experience doing covered calls could probably replicate the return without the expense ratio using something like IBIT, and buy to close the covered call when BTC shows signs of life again, which I believe it will in about a year. Great reply! Thank you.

RetiredAvocado

Screenshot says "started 2013.05.02.." with average 391mhs. A USB block Erupter could do 330mhs. Maybe in 2011 he was doing better, but he was not mining 1 BTC per day with $800 PC in that screenshot anymore.

deltamark_btc

two unlocks i think are underrated - 401k auto-allocation (when the major brokerages let you set 2% BTC as a fund slice the same way you pick an index fund, that's trillions in passive flows hitting crypto every paycheck. ETF rails are basically there, the 401k wrapper is the last mile, maybe 18 months out), and stablecoins in emerging markets where people aren't "adopting crypto" ideologically, they're just surviving inflation in argentina/nigeria/turkey. that adoption is already happening quietly, it just doesn't show in western metrics. retail POS is probably the last domino not the first - merchants follow users, not the other way around.

Toc_a_Somaten

I'm a potential early miner, knew of bitcoin in 2010 and almost kickstarted one of the earlier mining rigs and it should have been around 2011-2012 but the early crashes were enough to turn me down and although i hated myself in december 2013 (first time BTC went over 1000 usd) I never felt bad for not buying early because frankly, had i had a few hundred or a few thousand bitcoins i would never have been able to hold

Wu-Kang

BTC running entirely off feels...

oak1337

Let's go claim by claim here. >Permissioned True. Only Hedera Council members can operate a node (currently). They are on a "Path to Permissionless", but that comes with scale. As Hedera scales, more nodes/shards are required. Shards can be added as needed (linear/horizontal scaling). That's when permissionless comes into play. Leaderless means all nodes participate in every transaction. Can't just add nodes like a permissionless chain can (yet), or it will increase Time to Finality (TTF) to wait for gossip to all nodes. Conversely, with only 1 Block Leader at a time, it doesn't matter how many nodes you have. Only 1 node decides the order at a time. Permissionless =\= Decentralized That's why ETH has 13,000 nodes and a Nakamoto of 1, and Algorand has a 1400 nodes and a Nakamoto of 2. And BTC with a Nakamoto of 3. They're all spectators, your node is a paperweight, it's psuedo-decentralization. >centralized False. Centralized vs Decentralized has to do with **distributed "power" and "control".** For example, a single "block leader" that unilaterally has the "power and control" over transaction order, is centralized. "Leaderless" means all nodes participate equally in every transaction. All nodes are relatively equal. **Equal Node Consensus Power**. Each node has 1/39th "control" over the network. Guaranteed Decentralization as it scales (add more equal nodes/shards, Nakamoto increases). Hedera Council are up to 39 members, all with **1 equal vote on Governance** (equally distributed "power"). London School of Economics has the same vote as Google, IBM, Dell, Accenture, Hitachi, McLaren, FedEx, or any other Council member. Limited time duration of governance "control or power," with 3 year terms, maximum 2 consecutive, rotating. Governance consists of network updates, maintenance, Treasury allocations, etc. Hedera has ~87% coin distribution, so the **Treasury only "controls" ~13% of coins.** >They astroturf the hell out of Reddit and other social media. False. One of the top things Hedera gets slammed for by the community is zero marketing, zero advertising. >Buy assets with real public ownership over the protocol or company. HBAR is not a stock, it's a commodity, as ruled by the SEC and CFTC. >X link in profile for honest human takes and analytics. False. 500 followers and include unresearched and under informed opinions like this one.

Sakanita-

Most early miners sold way before the price hit serious numbers. Electricity costs were real and nobody knew it would go this high. Holding BTC from 2011 takes conviction almost nobody had back then

PopLegion

Common share holders own MSTR, MSTR owns Bitcoin. So common share holders own BTC on the balance sheet. It's not an etf, so it's worded weird like you pointed out. But if common share holders don't own the BTC, who does?

Billkr

You should leverage yourself to sell BTC short then.

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Comfortable-Bread249

I started selling at $118k. But not nearly aggressively enough. Continued selling down to about $90k. So I did okay. I put all the cash into SGOV, which earns about 5%. Planned to start buying again at $70k. But I was too impatient and started buying again around $76. Kept buying down to $59k. Far from perfect, but I’m now close to a full coin, without using any additional funds beyond my gains. If it drops back to $59k, I’ll top up to 1 BTC

Possible-Class5969

This is the same reason why I feel it's not yet the bottom. Algorithms are already programmed on certain levels. And that's the reason I don't catch knives even in spot anymore. I don't mind missing the bottom but I'll DCA once the bear market is over. I just look at the weekly and monthly to determine that. I patiently wait instead of catching falling knives. BTC might not even reach 69k and drops again. There's just a big FVG in the weekly

BarnacleOwn604

Good point, maybe they’re thinking along the lines of hold forever and exchange BTC peer to peer for goods and services when they need to.

oak1337

Plenty of people care. The goal is for CLARITY and utility to decouple winners from BTC. The value proposition is the Trust Layer of the Internet of Value. TradFi/DeFi, RWAs, Stablecoins, Payments, AI Trust, Agentic Commerce, IoT, DePIN, Insurance, Energy/ESG/Carbon, Supply Chain, Global Logistics/Shipping, etc, etc, etc... Hedera has pilots, POCs, announcements, etc in all those sectors and more. The industry is waiting on regulations. The goal is millions, or tens of millions, or billions of TPS. The world's TPS, with every transaction on Mainnet requiring HBAR.

wgcole01

If BTC went down to $8k, I'd still be up on BTC.

Less-Information-256

Instead, MSTR represents an ownership stake in Strategy’s equity. Strategy, in turn, owns encumbered BTC as well as its associated debts plus a variety of other business assets. So they own strategy and strategy owns Bitcoin.

oak1337

I personally only hold HBAR. If I had to say others... BTC if you believe in the long term narrative. Started as "the new digital currency for the world", but switched to "digital gold" because it was too expensive and slow to transact. Therefore it's really turned into "hold, hope the next guy buys higher". LINK is connected everywhere which is good, but there's no real driver of coin price. The tokenomics are bad, since LINK can be completely circumvented for everything. Another very speculative one, but name recognition can drive price. Algorand is probably the best "traditional blockchain" tech out of the rest. ICP is also good tech, but it's niche. Stellar is getting traction, but has scalability issues. Canton also getting traction, but has God awful tokenomics. Quant is an interesting one, but not sure the total role it will play when things shake out. There's some other interesting ones like Ondo, Render, Bittensor, NEAR, etc... But that's probably where I'd stop. I don't have long term faith in (almost) any of them except Hedera. That's not to say money can't be made along the way.

No1orangepilled

Puts the daily BTC price buzz into perspective.

Calm_Situation_1131

Saylor will induce an extended BTC bear market because his company's debt and dividend liability will cause periodic BTC sales. The flywheel is now running in reverse. Also, the Clarity Act doesn't benefit BTC because BTC has no smart contracts and/or tokenized assets. The Clarity Act benefits BTC's rival, ETH.

inadyttap

When $100k BTC?

mystcalone624

BTC and ETH I have been buying SOL and it's been great to me. I think Near Protocol will moon this time around.

xBrodoFraggins

Selling the bottom is wild. Definitely don't read broken money, the creature from jekyll island, or the bitcoin standard now, understanding BTC will just make you mad you sold.

RedKe

What other crypto do you think have long term potential like HBAR? HBAR, BTC, and LINK are my largest crypto holdings. But I also hold small amounts of multiple other layer 1s.

ShittingOutPosts

Any business that uses Square can accept BTC. Just because most companies don’t advertise this, doesn’t mean it’s not spreading rapidly.

fan_of_hakiksexydays

LOL how am I the bullshit artist, when you're the one who makes up shit and comments that were never said, and I'm here bringing the receipts? Stop being mad that you bought high. I'm not a know it all. I didn't know if BTC was gonna retest $67K (which I was losing faith in), or drop down to liquidate the longs that have been building up. All I do is point out what the data was showing. There were big bubbles of liquidations, and also big gaps.

Efficient_Policy_176

Nope. Downloaded the full PDF statement and all fees show $0. But that may be of another matter, main issue is the unfair early liquidation ($500 BTC price diff from liquidation price in a second).

MaxM_42

Well we are pretty down compared to ATH, so I think it’s best to start dollar cost averaging now. If the market goes lower you do it more aggressively. If it goes up then you already entered at a very solid position. It’s a 2x in BTC if it reaches ATH. That’s already a very solid ROI. Now no one is really talking about crypto, the tourists left. That’s a buy signal, for investors. So also try not to rebalance your portfolio every 2 weeks. Buy and hold for the next bull run.

Fortknightdad2231

What makes me hesitate is selling BTC or ETH after a weak period.. Even if the property itself is a good opportunity, should I wait a week?

Proof-Teach3172

Yeah, BTC has gotten a lot more macro-sensitive over the last few years. Once you had institutions and spot ETFs piling in, the flows just started behaving like any other risk asset — so when CPI prints hot or Powell sounds hawkish, BTC tends to dump with the rest of the risk-on basket. The DXY and 10Y yield have become pretty reliable tellers for short-term direction. That said, I don't think it's purely macro-driven anymore. You've still got halving-cycle dynamics, exchange balances, and on-chain flows doing their own thing underneath. It's more like macro sets the wind direction, and BTC's internal structure decides how much it leans into it. One thing I find useful is paying attention to how liquidity actually behaves around key levels — not just whether price broke support, but whether there was real depth sitting there to absorb the move before it happened. I've seen Candora is going to roll out something called Liquidity Mirror that tracks how order book liquidity builds and withdraws over time, which sounds like it would give a much clearer read on where pressure is really forming. Curious to see how it pans out when it launches.

oak1337

Yes, Hedera is Proof of Stake (PoS), whereas something like Bitcoin is Proof of Work (PoW). PoW and PoS are two different types of "Blockchains" (Distributed Ledger Technologies - DLTs). **All DLTs are a "distributed database", including BTC and PoW chains.** PoW mines blocks over time, in BTC case, with a lottery determined by who's supercomputer can solve a useless math problem first. PoS mints all their coins at genesis, and distributes them over time. Hedera is a Leaderless Directed Acyclic Graph (Leaderless DAG) type blockchain. This means that anyone can submit their transaction to any node, and it will be fairly ordered. It cannot be forked, cheated, or bribed to reorder transactions.

fan_of_hakiksexydays

I mean the cracks are already showing. It's not really a question of "if" anymore. And every argument about "Strategy will be fine, these issues won't apply to them, they will always have a solution", have already showed even more cracks now. People defending Strategy have made the arguments that they would never need to sell their BTC, they had plenty of cash so they wouldn't need to dilute their stocks, and if STRC drops below its peg, there's quick solutions and it would never de-peg for too long. Strategy was a gamble in the end. A whole system that depended on BTC going up, and amplifying the effects. As long as BTC goes up, Saylor looks like a genius. But if it goes down, it might only last a little while when people still think they can "buy the dip". But it only needs to last or go down just enough for institutions to start to pull the plug and panic, and at that point none of the "20+ month of runway" will matter.

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Robb-san

Depends what you mean by collapse. There isn’t an actual liquidation scenario because STRC is preferred stock and the principal doesn’t need to be paid back like a bond. You can make the case that they need to pay the dividends in cash eventually - but Saylor has raised 20+ months of runway for this in the event of an extended bear market. BTC would need to stay low for that long for the cracks to actually start showing. I’m not saying that’s not possible, but with all the institutional interest, clarity act on the horizon, btc cycle timings etc. it’s reasonable to expect a recovery during that timeframe.

Flat-Buy6231

BTC and SOL are the only 2 I’ll ever own.

fan_of_hakiksexydays

Finally BTC doing more volatile things that you'd expect. I was still expecting more of a retest of $67K. But when you're in a bear market with most of the retail interest gone, and the space still hemorrhaging from people rotating to AI and chips hype, then I guess beggars can't be choosers. At least I finally got my entry for my shorts. I'm still not going all in, because I still believe in $67K. Just like with buying BTC, when shorting BTC you gotta DCA.

fan_of_hakiksexydays

What are they talking about? They already had to scramble for funds, dilute their shares, and even drop their whole "strategy" and sell BTC, just because we dropped in the $60Ks. And then STRC plummeted when BTC briefly touched the upper $50Ks, and that's when it started to flash signs of Strategy not only being royaly fucked but potentially collapsing. Luckily for them, we only saw $50Ks very briefly. What do you think would happen if BTC didn't just briefly visit $50Ks but stayed there for weeks, and even started to go below $40Ks? That might be all it would take for the house of cards to collapse.

omg_its_dan

Mindset issue. If you’re holding long term why is the volatility a headache? Periods of draw downs should be celebrated because your DCA buys more BTC for the same dollar amount.

quintavious_danilo

BTC. You‘ll have no headache in years down the road. Any other coin requires you to time the entry and the exit meticulously only to get rugpulled anyways.

Bogdanoff_dump_it

If you buy anywhere between Halloween and Christmas this year, you’re good. Bullish on BTC long term either way.

ShitcoinJoe

100% BTC and fuck the rest. Thank me in 5 years

Visual-Address-7354

I was shorting LTC from $66, close short. Now looking at going long if we break out from iH&S. This is just one of the setup's I'm waiting to see if it breaks out. Also have a Link and XRP trade on (long). I do not think this is the bottom for the crypto market (though could be) I think theres still one more leg down, BTC around 40-45K. I think 40% chance we have bottomed, and 60% chance this is just a rally. Hence currently looking at longs. https://preview.redd.it/tmrocr8x2fdh1.png?width=3610&format=png&auto=webp&s=858925f7a9cb2c0413b8f427dbc1d40e72442644

Klutzy-Sea-4857

Old BTC addresses still work, they don't expire. Glad it showed up.

Stereo-Gito

Mainly just the natural progression of time aka BTC next halving in 2028 and whatever legislation clarity act bullshit that happens leading up to it.

Visual-Address-7354

Only problem with that is BTC.D is on a knifes edge.

Accomplished-Sand334

The plan is the WP. BTC never lived up to that. It's fetishized and made into something else than intended.

egej

I’m a miner, right now BTC is so cheap even i’m buying.

in4life

If the four-year cycle is a reliable guide, which I don't take as gospel, December should be the low, but it shouldn't be a huge relative drop from here. In any situation, that's a broad buying opportunity if you're a long-term bull on BTC.

Iloveanime223

I hold BTC as well, but I don’t just leave it sitting in my wallet. I earn additional income from my portfolio through staking, managed investments, and crypto mining. To me, your crypto portfolio is an asset, it can either be put to work generating income or simply sit there while you worry about the market’s day-to-day movements. I prefer making my assets work for me.

PrettyQuick

The nice thing about buying a Lambo in the bull market is you can sell it in the bear market and buy BTC so next bull market you can buy more Lambo.

GrandMasterFlushMush

My top three our BTC, XRP, and ETH

wolfofone

This community is weird sometimes. Even with a small investment you will get the same % returns as everyone else. If you dont need the money for at least the next 5-10 years and are okay losing it all then your best bet is buying and holding BTC avoiding leverage or any other complications. Look to minimize fees and only use reputable exchanges. Im not sure what options are available to you in your country so youll need to do your own research starting on the bitcoin beginners sub where I think they have a big list of legit exchanges by country. Find an exchange with the lowest total fees not just to buy but to buy and get your BTC off of the exchange into a wallet only you control.

TheresNoSecondBest

>No-one knows the plan. Also you: "It's a shame BTC never lived up to the plan..."

Accomplished-Sand334

No-one knows the plan. But it sure as shit was not layering. Yes, the WP does not mention the use of layers, but it also does not mention the use of bumblebees. BTC walked to that others can run. Walkers ain't needed today.

Gonky69

Well i mean the vinklevoss twins have been in crypt scene quite early massing a large $ profit over the years and by acquiring the large some of BTC they did back then and such and just a vary of othwr things with thr company idk im tired rn

FitCompetition1804

That’s why I’ve been daily DCA’ing aggressively since February, and doubled up on those amounts last month. Still have limit orders set starting at $53.5k laddering down to $42k. If they don’t execute, at least I’m still in the game. Just started my BTC position this year after waiting for the next bear market to jump in. Hindsight is always 20/20 and maybe the cycle will play out as it usually has and I’ll feel dumb for going with this approach and not maximizing my capital… only time will tell.

notsafeatallforwork

It depends on your time horizon. I bought 6 years ago at $11,500 and considering this is currently a bear market, I did pretty good. According to Gemini, thats over 30% cagr. As the BTC prophets say, it's currently the only asymmetric bet that's gonna tip the scales in our favor.