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useless-flame

My post didn’t mention all relevant context including the self-custody wallet hacks/ decentralized protocol exploits and the like. In those scenarios, people who were doing everything right with self-custody got hacked and went to zero. Contrast this with getting hacked on Binance and having Binance agree to cover all losses (which they didn’t need to do). People are being conditioned with a false sense of security if they let someone else be custodian of their coins. Taken together, it absolutely makes sense this is part of a broader self-custody FUD campaign because the only way to escape 21st century slavery (where what/when/how/where you can transact is no longer your choice) is through self-custody of digital assets. The extraction machine that is traditional finance would prefer you to own their paper BTC instead as you give them custody of your coins.

MarloChrisSnoop

Do you personally your BTC on Fidelity or a combo of self custody and Fidelity?

useless-flame

You identify risk associated with BTC, but your analysis doesn’t include risks of NOT OWNING BTC, or the risks of owning only institutional assets when it’s becoming clearer the socio-economic system itself is breaking and a new paradigm must rise once it does.

OscarOfAtlantis

The entire premise of bitcoin is that there is no singular or central authority that can decide who gets to “keep” the BTC. It is based on collective computing power of ask the committees trying to solve bitcoin hashes in order to get rewarded with the next mined BTC. Theoretically one could undo the ledger transactions if they controlled more than half of the computing power in the world, but the computing power Is so spread out now that this is next to impossible. And coordinating that many people so as to undo transactions would be a huge undertaking. Not to mention that even being able to undo transactions in this manner would undermine (pun intended) trust in the system and would probably cause a huge crash. (If they can take away the thief’s BTC, they can take away yours). The above is specific to any Bitcoin transactions. But the binance theft ALSO resulted in cross chain transactions involving other cryptos and making recovery even Less Likely than the almost- impossible BTC only recovery.

jekpopulous2

He's saying there are way more important issues on the ballot than Bitcoin. The US is such a shitshow right now that "which party is better for BTC" is irrelevant. If that's a wedge issue for anybody they're an idiot.

2xfun

Unfortunately bitcoin became political and the orange dude decided it was a good idea to rug pull everyone with crypto. Since the Average Joe can’t tell the difference between a clown orange coin and BTC it was another nail in the coffin for Bitcoin. On top of that none of the promises made by the current administration about Bitcoin became true that led to an apathetic bull market cycle.  No bueno.

cryptokeyhole

For coins whose key is still behind a hash, yes, and that's nearly two-thirds of supply. Once the public key is on-chain it can't help, because whoever has the quantum computer can derive the same private key and get a commitment in first while you're still in the coma. Proving you know the seed behind the key could cover reused addresses from modern wallets, but about 1.76M of the exposed BTC sits on keys last used over 15 years ago, before seed phrases caught on.

Efficient_Visage

Maybe you need to zoom out at look at the 10 year chart. 10 years ago today BTC was worth $685 dollars. What do you think it'll be 10 years from now?

NUkids11

But 99% of the population and potential buyers of BTC do not have the tech skills to buy it any other way. It’s not a bug, it’s the systems design that is the flaw to wide spread adoption

Wh-h-hoap

When I realized the people who had marketed BTC to me were by now millionaires, and I wasn't.

alhanyk

$840K × \~20M BTC = \~$17T market cap. Roughly all the gold in the world. Possible someday, but not one bull run.

kendog50

Agree. And I've been promoting btc since like 2013. I realized that when I bring up something like eBay, that's been around for 30+ years, and I see the blank confusion in their eyes, that a huge portion of the population has no interest or understanding of basic technology and they will never use BTC. The complexity of using crypto is off the charts for 99.99% of people. They see the safety of having a 3rd party involved with their money as a huge benefit.

Kommandant_Milkshake

2 cycles ago peak (Nov 2021) to last peak (Oct 2025) is \~88% gain. The same timeframe for the S&P 500 yielded \~40% gains. So even from peak to peak BTC more than doubled the return of the S&P 500.

Wh-h-hoap

I get that this is a joke, but I still love the fact that people actually use the rainbow chart to project future BTC performance.

Previous_Valuable873

You do realize that for like 8 more years XMR will still have less coins in circulation thatn BTC correct...? The inflation rate is miniscule.

Previous_Valuable873

BTC was also reorged a few times in its early years... ITs not as big of an issue as people think It would be. Especially if XMR would have the same mcap as BTC.

ObviousEconomist

I mean no user has lost any BTC even after Binance was hacked for 6bn so... Sometimes I think it's easier for some people to lose a cold wallet or keys due to carelessness or bad luck.

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Unlock_Pulse

It's a log regression curve fitted to past BTC prices, with colored bands drawn around it. Blue/green is supposed to be "cheap", red is "bubble". The catch is that it only describes the past: when price broke below the bands in 2022, the creators refit the curve. Fun to look at, but it doesn't predict anything.

hit_me_up_30

I don’t disagree there. Just contextually, lots of things carry some risk. Thats why people tend to diversify. But also, people holding money on coinbase for longer than an exchange are choosing to take that risk. That risk can be dramatically lowered with an offline self custody wallet. As for the future, I def recognize where all of this could potentially end up…but for some I tend to lean on the presumption that by the time those things are a reality, we will have already figured out a way to protect from it. If AI and Quantum reached a point that bitcoin becomes obsolete due to security issues, I doubt BTC would end up the first thing targeted by it. So I feel like it’s probable that a major crisis with something else will have already occurred. And in that context, a broken bitcoin wallet might not be the biggest issue in comparison. I guess we will find out in due time….lol

cryptokeyhole

It's a real exposure, and it can be sized. On our node about 7.1M BTC, 35% of supply, sits in outputs whose public key is already on-chain: about 1.7M in old P2PK coins, mostly early mining rewards, and nearly all the rest, about 5.2M, at reused addresses their owners could fix by moving to a fresh one. That reused pile has still grown by about 1.1M BTC since late 2023. The hard part is the roughly 1.9M exposed BTC that hasn't moved in over 10 years, since an upgrade only protects coins someone moves, and that's the pile the burn-or-let-it-be-stolen debate is really about.

fan_of_hakiksexydays

Oil dumped just in time before BTC price dropped into heavy liquidation territory. We're saved for now. Let's just hope this Iran deal announcement holds up today and doesn't reverse.

Cryptizard

It's definitely not that easy. There is no obvious post-quantum signature to slot in because they all have 10x or more larger signature sizes than ECDSA. The Bitcoin block size is very small. Using larger signatures would drastically cut the transaction throughput of the network. On top of that, even if you flipped the switch today and added PQ signatures, it would take over a years worth of blocks to migrate every existing wallet over to the new signature scheme. They have to be done one by one, manually, with the owner opting into it and paying the transaction fees (which will be large due to high demand). There are many difficult problems to address for BTC and no easy solutions.

Xnove

Hi Joe! Cheers from Brazil! I’m a BTC hodler for life, but El Salvador’s Bitcoin push came from the government, not popular demand. For a small shop owner, this month’s earnings keep the doors open next month. Holding through a dip isn’t easy when you need that money to pay for grocery n bills. We’re judging adoption from the perspective of people who can afford to experiment. I see the same thing in Brazil and saw it in Costa Rica: fancy resorts and malls surrounded by ramshackled communities. More money from tourists doesn’t automatically mean a better life for locals.

BlueCreek_

I’ve been withdrawing BTC since Sunday, maybe it’s by account/region, but I can withdraw fine.

Scared-Permit2587

BTC ETFs give me comfort. Never heard a convincing argument against benefiting from the potential future explosive growth in BTC through the ETF since they track identically vs self custody other than some imaginary boogie man is going to decide they wont honor the holdings in the future?

LittleTwo9213

Interesting concept. But near impossible to tell what is considered “old” and inaccessible. Just because something is locked or lost doesn’t mean it should be entirely erased. For all I know my father might’ve bought BTC in 2013 placed the key in his safe for inheritance, and since gotten dementia.

atlasayn

It really sucks having to make BTC selling decisions based on tax policies. Hope you can find a way to optimize your tax exposure without compromising your long-term conviction.

Big_Percentage_7541

I feel the same, altough I don't like the fact that XMR is uncapped, in te hsame time I know Monero is heavily used in dark markets which was how BTC grown a lot in they early times. I also feel the same way with ZEC and it's capped

Public-Fig3304

Why should BTC crash

KrazyKreutz

BlackRock's iShares Bitcoin Trust (IBIT) holds approximately 814,715 BTC, which is valued at around **$62.8 billion** to **$65.6 billion** USD, depending on real-time price fluctuations of Bitcoin. An amount of $405 million represents approximately **0.62% to 0.64%** (roughly **0.63%**) of BlackRock's total Bitcoin holdings. Rlx

ItalianBOYporcodio

Yh but this is the point. They HAVE to lose power, if not how can country rise they productivity? People are normally greedy, if fiat won't lose power, firm won't export and people would save money with the hope to buy more stuff with the same amount of money ( like BTC). There is not so much to do, FIAT/money its for everyone, for the poor, for the idiot, for the greedy. Crypto are just for a few.

Ultima_Spes

What gives me a bit of comfort in these seemingly doomy times: BTC has printed 3 consecutive green monthly candles coming off the major July bottom. This pattern would be highly unusual if we were to enter another bear market now. So fingers crossed we're printing a higher low rn.

ItalianBOYporcodio

To exist, it money won't lose power, people won't spend any money. Like BTC

elingeniero

BTC can fork to a quantum secure hash

Secret_Ad4911

why not securing your BTC in a cold wallet? so far that i am aware, only personal data was stolen from ledger's hack? no seed nor passpharses were leaked and even tho they are leaked... that is an actual question, how can they hack the account if on top of it there is a passpharse securing the whole account?

Sea_Tour9103

Exactly. And since ages. Just look statistic on darkmarket, there is a huge switch between BTC and XMR the last couple of years.

Previous_Valuable873

XMR ahead of DOGE in marketcap, what a time to be alive :D Top 3 around when ETH hits 1000 and BTC 38k :)

zante2033

You're nothing without banks. How do you plan to buy anything with BTC and convert to fiat? Do you think it's magic?

zante2033

Bitcoin's not working on it because it can't without forking. Then you can all fight over which is the real BTC again.

xiskghferx

My opinion is that I don't use hot wallets for storing my BTC.

repomies69

25 months... I guess he used the BTC to pay for a good lawyer.

skillpolitics

I’m sure there is a good technical response to this particular point. I don’t know what it is though. Where should I look for reputable information, as I feel like this I really the only threat to BTC stability that I ever give credence to.

Wh-h-hoap

That Electrum guy losing his 0,85BTC >>> your keys, their coins. Let's face it, in spite of all the precautions this is a dangerous space for your money, but people try it all the same, mostly in hopes of getting rich. A minority is in it to change society.

0a0d0s0

Got curious and ran it. Same setup as before ($3,000 a month, $2,250 lean once BTC is 30% below its high, 30 years), plus a halfway step: once the price climbs halfway back from the low, spending goes halfway back too. It barely changed anything. On the baseline path, the BTC needed went from 3.23 with no lean spending to 2.94 with lean, and adding the halfway step left it at 2.94. The reason was a bit boring. After a crash the price sits near the bottom for most of the next two years, so with a 2-year limit the lean stretch is usually over before the price is halfway back. With no limit the halfway step does kick in, but it moved the answer by about 0.02 BTC. So it still mostly comes down to how much you didn't spend in total. The shape of the bounce doesn't seem to matter much.

Wh-h-hoap

We have to admit it's a lot easier to screw up immediately using BTC than using fiat and banks.

HSuke

Nov 2, Form 8-K - https://www.strategy.com/financial-documents Sold $164M of MSTR to buy $65.5M of BTC, and the rest went to USD.

HSuke

I predict he'll be buying BTC at $60k and selling BTC at $150k. That's their Strategy to maximize Bitcoin Per Share.

Significant-Field232

Zoom out I expect a 60K dip but then if you look again and again… just look at the BTC chart for all time…. For some this is an opportunity to buy cheap BTC

Business_Fox_1975

1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa  That is the genesis block. Currently has 107 BTC in it.

T00ManyH0bb13s

So playing 6 degrees of connection, some BTC that was 5 transactions away makes it way to Coinbase. What then? Now you're going to freeze a hot wallet on CB?

Hippos4ever

If his goal it to avoid it, BTC will do the trick… She won’t ever get nothing without the privkey, and prove I even have it to give. 🤷 #sorrynotsorry?

wrtcdevrydy

I mean, you can try buying the landfill once there is enough BTC value in it.

Honu_Daze

Ouch, that musta been a sweat inducing event. Glad you didn’t lose & found a path that works best for you! Hell I can’t even trust my brain anymore (the joys of menopause🤦🏽‍♀️) - I am very grateful for Fidelity. Despite many believing NYCNYK… for me I’d rat*her s*till have my BTC than lose it in a boating accident🥴

BitcoinLogbook2

I tracked my every BTC trade for 6 months (from Feb to Aug, 2026), here are my points. 1. Make DCA (dollar cost averaging) your basis, and adjust it to your situation (for myself, I stop it at peak time) 2. Don't predict as you can't, just follow the plan, and be flexible (stop whenever you feel so) 3. No leverage, enjoy fluctuations, price going down is not necessarily a bad thing if you don't have leverage So far it has been going well, and it still making me some net profits even though the price is going down at the moment due to Binance 6B hack. I call it BitcoinLogbook's BTC DCA strategy.

Good_Extension_9642

If you are scared to hold pure Bitcoin then hold BTC ETF then

Able_Security_3479

They "could" make you whole... In dollar terms, if their insurance is structured correctly... But stolen Bitcoin will never be made whole.. ask the Mt Gox crowd how it goes if you get the (2014) dollar value of your 5 BTC back 10 years later.

Doppelapfel007

The only reason I don’t sell my BTC is that I don’t need the money and I don’t want to do the taxes for that.

Stereo-Gito

If you need the money for your family and you have no other money (shame on you for not having emergency cash) well u sell the BTC and focus on your family. Best of luck.

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Post is by: Buri_north and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1xmcc6r/i_analyzed_8013_crypto_breakouts_84_fell_back/ I've been working on a tool that detects support and resistance levels across crypto markets, and at some point I started wondering how reliable breakouts actually are. We all know the textbook version: price breaks resistance, closes above it, and hopefully continues higher. But I wanted to see what happens when you look at thousands of breakouts instead of a few nice-looking charts. So we analyzed 8,013 upward resistance breakouts across 299 cryptocurrencies using Binance Futures data from August 6 to November 1, 2026. And some of the results genuinely surprised me. **84% of breakouts closed back below resistance at least once within the next 24 hours.** Even more interesting, 52% were already below the level on the very next hourly close. At first, that sounds terrible for breakout trading. But here's where things get interesting. Despite all those returns below resistance, 45% of breakouts still managed to move at least 5% higher from the breakout closing price during the following day. Another 23% reached +10% or more, and 9% even reached +20%. So a breakout that eventually fails to hold resistance isn't necessarily one where nothing happened. Sometimes the price makes a substantial move before coming back. In fact, among breakouts that eventually returned below resistance, 25% had already gained at least 5% before their first return. The other interesting part is what happens if you simply look at the price 24 hours later. By then, 54% of breakouts were trading below their original breakout closing price. The median result was −0.6%, even though the average was slightly positive at +0.7%. A relatively small number of huge moves were pulling the average upward. **Market conditions made a massive difference too.** In August, when BTC gained roughly 25%, about 54% of breakouts reached +5% within a day. Only 46% finished below their breakout price. October was a completely different story. BTC lost around 7%, only 38% of breakouts reached +5%, and 66% finished the next day below their breakout price. Same detection algorithm, same breakout rules, very different outcomes. We also tested whether higher trading volume made breakouts more reliable. With elevated volume, 57% of breakouts reached +5%. Without it, only 39% did. That's a pretty noticeable difference, and we saw it in all three months. But here's the catch: in both groups, 54% of breakouts finished the day below the breakout closing price. Higher volume was associated with a greater chance of a strong upward move, but it didn't make the final 24-hour result more likely to be positive. Another thing I found interesting was the size of the breakout candle itself. When a candle closed less than 1% above resistance, 41% of those breakouts went on to reach +5%. When it closed 7% or more above resistance, that number jumped to 81%. Sounds great, right? Except the median return over the following 24 hours, measured from the close of those very large breakout candles, was −1.8%. A strong breakout candle can mean there's serious momentum, but it can also mean a significant part of the move has already happened before you even consider entering. We also looked at how many times resistance had been tested before the breakout. Surprisingly, more touches didn't improve the results in our sample. However, there were relatively few breakouts involving levels with three or more touches, so I wouldn't draw any strong conclusions from that yet. For context, this isn't a trading strategy backtest. We used hourly candles, defined a breakout as a close at least 0.2% above resistance, and tracked price behavior over the next 24 hours. The maximum upward moves are historical candle highs, not achievable trading profits. Fees, slippage and execution weren't included. We also repeated part of the analysis on Bybit, and the main results were almost identical over the overlapping period. My biggest takeaway is that a breakout tells you something interesting is happening, but it doesn't necessarily tell you where the price will end up. And I think this is why looking at market context, volume and what happens after the initial breakout matters so much. I've published the complete research, including the charts, methodology and additional statistics, on my website: [https://cryptovigil.net](https://cryptovigil.net/) I'd be interested to hear from people who actually trade breakouts. Do these results match what you've experienced, or do you find that certain types of levels behave very differently? And what do you think we might have missed? I hope this research will help both me and other traders improve our trading a little! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

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Post is by: Buri_north and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1xmc338/we_analyzed_8013_crypto_breakouts_heres_what_we/ I've been researching resistance breakouts while developing a crypto market analysis tool, and some of the results genuinely surprised me. We analyzed 8,013 upward breakouts across 299 cryptocurrencies using Binance Futures data. Here's what stood out: 84% of breakouts closed back below resistance at least once within the following 24 hours. More than half did so in the very next hour. But here's the interesting part: 45% of those same breakouts still managed to reach at least +5% from the breakout closing price. We also found that market conditions made a huge difference. In August, when BTC gained around 25%, 54% of breakouts reached +5%. In October, when BTC fell around 7%, that number dropped to 38%. Higher volume was associated with bigger upward moves, but it didn't significantly improve the chances of finishing the day above the breakout price. I put together the full research with charts, methodology, and a breakdown of the results here: [https://cryptovigil.net](https://cryptovigil.net/) One thing this research made me question is how much confidence we should really place in a breakout just because a candle closes above resistance. Curious whether these findings match what other traders have experienced? And what do you think we might have missed? I hope this research will help both me and other traders improve our trading a little! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

No-Masterpiece2246

If anything it's a selling point for ETH and BTC, and a huge reason to never use stablecoins. They can be stolen arbitrarily by government or the issuer.

rankinrez

They’ll probably make a few hundred mil. All the stablecoins etc were frozen, so it’s only the BTC and some other things they can still move. Then they gotta hide it shift it around try to cash it out. The market doesn’t have close to that level of liquidity.

shadowlid

This and the fact the US government sent their BTC to them to hold pretty sure if anyone hacked them the US government would send some fking CIA agents to fkem up or a nice tomahawk missile

BlazingPalm

**Gemini sez:** **2012 (1st Halving):** Reward dropped to **25 BTC** ➡️ Worth **\~$30**5 (BTC at \~$12) **2016 (2nd Halving):** Reward dropped to **12.5 BTC** ➡️ Worth **\~$8,12**5 (BTC at \~$650) **2020 (3rd Halving):** Reward dropped to **6.25 BTC** ➡️ Worth **\~$56,25**0 (BTC at \~$9,000) **2024 (4th Halving):** Reward dropped to **3.125 BTC** ➡️ Worth **\~$200,000**\+ (BTC at \~$64,000+) Even though the actual amount of BTC minted per block has been cut by **87.5%** since 2012, the massive rise in Bitcoin's price has increased the USD value of that same block reward by over **65,000%**. — so if ngu, so does incentive to mine, regardless of the BTC reward amount.

quantumsparq

I keep some BTC on Kraken. I have for years. I also have a ledger cold card where I have most my sats.

Desperate_Bug_1379

The time to convert all your BTC to Gold is now. You have hours or days but not much more.

powerguy134

Keep your BTC in strike it’s the safest exchange!

Previous_Valuable873

Yet it 4x'd in the last 2.5 years while BTC lost half of it's value \^\^

Previous_Valuable873

Every single day since mid 2024 when I converted everything I had as shitcoins (including ETH, BTC, and a lot of smaller ones) to XMR has been the best decision of my life. The only true crypto, not on CEX, witchunt against it nonstop and still 4x while Bitcoin halved.... Wake up people, most of you who think they buy a fungible, untraceable CRYPTO when buying BTC realize eventually that it is exactly the opposite... Just ask yourself the question, why every government is afraid of it? Because it is what BTC originally wanted to be Satoshi just could not solve the fungibility with untraceable ways yet.

HaMMeReD

From an ideological idiotic perspective. All currencies are a store of value. If we got rid of every currency but BTC, people would still be trading it for value (i.e. gold, sex and booze). That's the entire point. The problem is for a modern economy, you need insurance/distributed risk. You need to be able to trust financial agents. Those things don't always work in a decentralized manner. I.e. how would insurance work? You need underwriters, claim reviewers, claim adjusters. You need to be constantly analyzing the market and risk to provide a product that removes risk. It isn't well suited to crypto. Even things like exchanges can't sustain in a dex way on network fees in a way users want to interact with their "currencies".

LifeBTC

There is another option. You don't have to worry about account compromise or private key security. Its BTC life insurance. They use institutional custodians and layer regulatory capital as a protective buffer. Plus you can check out their financials with Meanwhile. (I'm biased since I work there)

cachitodepepe

December or black Friday discount on BTC coming

b1mm3rl1f3

$100k+ EOY. A profit of $23k USD per BTC in 60 days. RemindMe! December 31st, 2026

Wh-h-hoap

What are you talking about? Institutions already count for most of the volume and ownership of BTC.

devCheckingIn

There were huge ETF outflows on Friday though. Just a question of when the underlying BTC actually gets sold.

Wh-h-hoap

Buying a couple of hundred or a thousand BTC at a time is an ant's shit in the desert, and Binance won't clear the sell-side in a single take as they would end up paying a higher price for the coins themselves.

JacobFiasco

Since it operates in 4 year cycles, you would want to go back from now in increments of 4 years. So BTC was 15-20k 4 years ago and is up 4x which crushes the S&P. If you go back 8 years it was below 10k which also crushes the S&P.

useless-flame

A red SPY who would see BTC win

hackedieter

Maybe because everyone converts all their shitcoins to BTC before withdrawing.

MiserablePhilosophy

The only way to keep your shit safe is to store it in your head. Ive made a "quiz" of sorts for my private key, but only i know the answer to all the questions. You might get a couple right, but never all. When i get dementia or Elon gets those brainchips working, thats when my BTC get lost or stolen

kardanokid

\+1 for Ndax! Cant beat the 0.2% trade fee and we have flex free BTC withdrawals!

PsychologicalBit803

Why before the election when historically BTC drops after our midterms? Either way I think what you’re doing is right. I’m still buying my DCA and bought a bit more earlier this year at lower prices. None of this matters in another year or two but interested in what made you do it now?

WishOkkk

I get the frustration with banks deciding when you can access your own money. But I'd separate that issue from going all in on BTC. Financial independence also means having enough liquidity that you aren't forced to sell during a nasty downturn.

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LucaRossi0

It doesn't matter if you have 0.01 BTC or 10 BTC, the realization that you don't have enough hits the exact same way every single time.

AsSheDoes

If you purchase the ETFs... Coinbase or whomever has the spot funds can always fork those wallets... Giving the etf holders the forked product while they keep the og BTC. This is a big neg to the ETFs.

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Warm_Sock7188

Get out at the next high if you still think it’s not for you. Getting out at the bottom isn’t what you’re looking for. It would be a shame to rotate out of BTC before it runs again just to hop into the AI bubble before it burst.

PottedPickup

FBTC has custody of their own coins....and I expect Blackrock to do the same soon. All this BTC cash is going into FBTC regardless. Thank you for your well-informed commentary.

MrStichc

it’s the price once they recognize BTC as an good asset worth buying. I don’t have a number for what that will be at the time

Promeusis

The main thing is that during hacks like this, every exchange has enough funds to cover users’ losses. In theory, everyone keeps BTC somewhere that can be hacked.

TheVeloRebel

How will they stand out and attract demand? By clearly being the only chains that can make it possible. That's where 'Crypto agility' comes through IMO Only a few projects are built for that kind of witchcraft. 'The battle of the flexi chains' will come out as a narrative, mark my words!! Crypto agility is the actual differentiator in this dude, not just “we will support post-quantum someday. and the chickens won't come home to roost” Most major chains will hard-code signatures into consensus rules. Most of this shit requires soft/hard forks, multi-year coordination and arguments, wallet/exchange/custodian upgrades, and political fights over lost or abandoned coins. BTC has never been shy of a political uproar, neither will be others. That be the friction Bitcoin is navigating now with BIP-360, Coinbase and others are publicly prioritising flexi designs precisely cause rigid systems will fuck up migration. Complete nightmares if you just want to change something. Bitcoin will however succeed because its the biggest and only project with the most to lose IMO It affects the whole market. Google’s Cloud KMS work makes the same point outside crypto: they are shipping ML-DSA, SLH-DSA, ML-KEM (and hybrids), emphasising 'cryptographic agility' as the bedrock, targeting internal readiness milestones around 2028–2029. They are treating algorithm swaps as an engineering capability rather than a one-time protocol event. Projects that baked crypto agility in from the start that can treat new signature schemes as deployable bytecode/scripts rather than consensus changes. Or projects with audited SPHINCS+ (SLH-DSA family / FIPS 205) lock scripts on mainnet, with self-custodial wallets supporting (Quantum Purses) supporting it will bring this FUD to close....for now!! lol Even AI throws up a top 5 of Algorand, Nervos CKB, Quantum resistent Ledger, Sui and NEAR. SO I think people will be racing to get in that top 5 or crash and burn. PoW hashing itself is already outside the quantum threat model for signatures so It'll be wayyyy easier for those types of projects to adjust. Providing they jump the consensus hoops.

LamebyDefault

Why buy and hold, if you were never going to self custody? What was your reason for purchasing BTC in the first place?

cryptokeyhole

On the BTC side it's closer to 4%. Binance's published addresses are down about 25,000 BTC since withdrawals restarted yesterday at 06:11 UTC, from about 645k to 620k on our node. The part I'd watch is the other direction: before the hack 2,000-11,000 BTC a day came in to those addresses from outside, and since the restart it's been one 500 BTC transfer and about 0.1 BTC besides.

dataCollector42069

Only crypto bros care about BTC

ItalianBOYporcodio

People often forget that inflation it's suppose to be. But if Ur country is full of stupid illusion, it's not well handle, his power is coming from a force endowment, any type of fiat will lose credibility ( not power). If ever dollar will lose his position, there are already other fiat ready to take over ( china for example). BTC won't ever considerate a coin

Embarrassed_Sort6828

That L11 detail changes the revenue comparison. The L11 uses Scrypt, while the BTC hashprice figures earlier in this thread are for SHA-256 hardware. [BITMAIN's algorithm guide](https://support.bitmain.com/hc/en-us/articles/4414648885273-Algorithms-and-Corresponding-ANTMINERs) separates those algorithms. If your pool pays BTC after converting Scrypt earnings, that payment doesn't make it direct Bitcoin mining. Which pool are you using, and is the $5 the value of mined rewards or the BTC actually credited after conversion and fees? That distinction would help people compare your solar setup without applying the wrong network's revenue estimate. Disclosure: I work with JingleMining.

Narrow_Comparison_58

This is my ledger summary from 28 Feb 2026 to 21 August 2026, based on the BTC price as of 30 Ot 2026 where I still have some net profit during the price drop caused by Binance 6B hack recently. | Value | Metric / Description | | :--- | :--- | | \*\*$23,091.17\*\* | \*\*Grand total cost\*\* | | $23,000.00 | Total BTC cost | | $91.17 | Total platform fees | | | | | | | | | | | \*\*0.308615\*\* | \*\*Current BTC balance\*\* | | $23,801.34 | Current asset value | | | | | | | | | | | \*\*0.362615\*\* | \*\*Total BTC purchased\*\* | | $63,679.62 | Avg purchase price | | $77,123.13 | Current BTC price | | | | | | | | | | | \*\*$4,629.81\*\* | \*\*Total net profit\*\* | | $710.17 | Net profit unrealized | | $3,919.64 | Net profit realized |

Fluid_Garden8512

>so the halving is behind us now and everyone waiting for the moon but the chart just going sideways like a sleepy cat BTC went from $15.7K at the previous bear market bottom to over $125K. It was around $64K at the April 2024 halving and nearly doubled after that. That's quite a run for a sleepy cat