BTC

Alternative-Swan-673

Fidelity’s 1% is a rip-off. I pay .2% on Gemini, 5x cheaper. Also if you use Fidelity for storage and want to sell on Gemini they only let you transfer $25,000 per day. This is a joke if you have a lot of BTC.

FromThePits

You're welcome If you're into historical BTC graphs, maybe check out https://hodl.camp Click around the coloured area to get exact entry/exit prices through time. As you might notice the green sky is overwhelmingly large against the few red clouds :) Cheers

Supaflyray

You gotta be a bot. BTC has a finite amount. Only 21m. ETH doesn’t have a max supply. But as transaction happen, old ETH is burned and new ETH is minted. At one point, ETH was deflationary. Burning more ETH than it mints. But the last time I checked, it’s like a few hundred thousand new ETH is minted every year, depending on burn and gas fees. Like maybe 100k NEW ETH entering the market every year.

oak1337

3rd crypto ever, behind BTC and ETH, to get a spot ETF. Entire countries adopting (examples Australia and Georgia). Global Fortune 2000's building on it, which will be seen when CLARITY Act finally passes. I guess time will tell... While ETH and all it's L2's are still fumbling around with the Blockchain Trilemma trying to figure out how to scale, Hedera solved the Trilemma, donated it's entire codebase to Linux Foundation, and got launched into space on satellites for Post Quantum Security companies.

Dull-Assumption-964

Today's my observations regarding the recent activity in the Bitcoin market. Recently, an individual mentioned to a group that there were over a billion BTC sold today, Sunday, December 7, 2026. This information is easily verifiable, yet I find myself labeled as a bot and on the receiving end of smart remarks within my comments. While I acknowledge that I may not possess the highest level of expertise in this area, I pride myself on my ability to read, analyze, and pay attention to market trends. Many in our discussions argue that energy consumption is irrelevant to market performance. However, I'm inclined to suggest that the current market fluctuations occurring this Sunday morning, with notable intermediate jumps exceeding $91,000 per coin, indicate otherwise. I anticipate that the market will continue to rise and may surpass the $100,000 mark before the 15th. I appreciate the opportunity to express myself.

Murky_Citron_1799

This fud is laughable. Eth inflation rate has been less than BTC's for the last 3+ years since the merge. Why does nobody cry about BTC's comparably larger inflation rate?

DryMyBottom

nice sunday (not so) little green candle for BTC

panthera_N

BTC, your little efforts only benefit shcoin, let go and fall, I wait for you below

ChangeYourFate_

Wow I know today’s a good day when the daily is buzzing and even more so when the chat bots are out yelling red day ahead when BTC is pumping

WinstonChurshill

Strange take… BTC ranging between 120k and 80k… bitcoin mining stocks have given 1000% returns… you can hate something, but if you learn about it, you can get rich… Or just stay broken mad with your old hair

SpontaneousDream

Alts are cooked imo. There will be some that will hold up better than others, but long term it seems pretty clear that their value is very dubious at best. Holding spot BTC is very comfortable. The only way alts recover is if a BTC rally starts happening. I don't doubt we get a relief rally soon but long term it's not looking good for them.

SpontaneousDream

10/10 is GOOD for you in this situation...alts got rekt. BTC held fine

Affectionate_Knee_96

What crypto bubble? BTC didn’t do anything this year😂 didn’t even come close to overbought

HorsedickGoldstein

I bet by this time next week BTC will be trading at exactly the same point it is today. Right around 90k. Nobody knows anything what a useless post

bbqyak

After 12 years in the crypto game, I'm taking the gamble for one last pump (I'm holding various coins) and exiting. When or if BTC drops back down low enough, I'll buy back in. But I just want to exit for a bit. I made a lot of bad decisions over the years, which is why I'm not rich despite buying BTC so long ago. I just want to enjoy and lock in profits for the first time in my life. As I've gotten older I no longer care about the "home run". Money has a new value to me now that it didn't before when I was just a teenager living with my parents.

potificate

Oh damn... did you at least keep going until you got back 20 BTC or did you give up sooner?

growmywealth

No one is prepared to receive 10K paycheck and watch 30% of it disappear the next day. Bitcoin is not a replacement for fiat. Very happy it worked for your employees, but majority others who need to make their ends meet can't stomach such volatility in their paycheck. 1=1 BTC would be valid the day it becomes stable and you won't have to convert it to Fiat. Right now we are not there yet. So it remains speculation and investment.

Zdendon

Funny thing BTC usually tanks after this kind of positive news. No idea why.

Ok_Safe_4070

What I hate most about being in crypto is how stupid and delusional the majority of the community is. The rate cut we're getting this week is already priced in. What isn't priced in are Powell's comments. Crypto will continue sideways and down until $BTC confirms a bullish stochastic RSI cross on the weekly and 2 week time frame

Elemental_Breakdown

People who were never interested before have started moving money out of bitcoin and other tokens and into precious metals which is easier, and gives them something tangible. New investors have preferred over a largely failed meme coin market and a lot of Wall Street which has been like catching a falling knife. Gold almost doubled to $4200/oz and silver went from $28 to $58/oz in the last year. If those prices fall or the process to move BTC to a cold wallet becomes more straightforward and safe /secure, maybe some will invest the huge amounts I see in metals. Even governments who just last year were talking about Bitcoin reserves have been now buying and hoarding silver and gold. The Chinese tried to withdraw some absurd amount of physical silver which is the real reason the Chicago exchange went down last week.

docherino

I don't know where the bottom is but this is not capitulation. A 30% drop is normal for BTC

OldHamburger7923

Issue with that is the halvings have very little I pact going forward on issuance, and few people believe BTC goes to $0 anymore. So I doubt we get the extreme dumps and we are close to the super cycle where the 4 year peaks go away. It's possible we aren't there yet, but if we are, all the folks who offloaded everything will find themselves unable to buy back in again, at least never with quantities they had this cycle.

MinimiMichigan

Keep your perspective. Don't even worry about the current price. I have been in BTC since early 2015 and keep my perspective that what I buy (on a monthly basis) is going to be worth at least double in 2 years. The actual increase in price is way higher (196%). I haven't found any other investment that consistently gives this high a return. For instance, Jan 20, 2024 BTC was $42k, now it's $89k. So, given my experience I expect that 89k to be at least $180k 2 years from now. In very simple terms, don't worry about the price your buying, just think about how much it will be worth in 2 years. Everything else is just noise.

bot_whisperer

Thanks for the honest feedback — I really appreciate you taking the time to share your concerns. Security is something I take seriously, and comments like yours help make the platform better. A few things that might ease your mind: 1. All amounts are self-reported — there's no connection to your wallets or exchanges. Even in a breach, attackers would only see numbers you typed, not proof of ownership. 2. Your feedback inspired new privacy controls that just went live: \- Display amounts as ranges ("1-5 BTC") or hide them completely \- Clear all your data anytime with one click \- Full account deletion available \- Activity log to monitor your account Check them out in [https://neversellyourbitcoin.live/settings](https://neversellyourbitcoin.live/settings) under "Privacy & Data" 3. No KYC required — sign up with just an email, use a pseudonym if you prefer. 4. Row Level Security — each user can only access their own data at the database level. I also added a [https://neversellyourbitcoin.live/security](https://neversellyourbitcoin.live/security) page that explains exactly what we store (and don't store). Thanks again for pushing me to make this better. If you ever reconsider, the privacy controls are there for folks who share your concerns. Cheers!

FromThePits

Just signed up. Great initiative. I wonder if the USD purchasing power graph is super-relevant, as it is strictly historical data of which most of us is very aware of, but that is your call of course :) The date-modul for first time bitcoin purchase is a bit annoying when you have to click 12 times for every year you want to go back. Thats the experience on cellphone. Might wanna look into that :) Hope your predictions comes true. These things are historically hard to predict. Short-term it can easily go either way. I highly anticipate accumulation of BTC value over time due to increased scarcity. My timeframe goes even further than 2045 as I have published a multi-sig solution to keep bitcoin in my family for at least the next 4 generations. You might find inspiration from it? Find it here : www.thegreekchain.info There's no paywall or adds. If you fill out the formular I will include you in my newsletter too. Best wishes

NeoDynomite

They’re not arguing from facts; they’re arguing from envy and cope. A lot of people resent Saylor because he’s too loud, too successful, and (most triggering of all) he’s actually executing the “infinite Bitcoin accumulator” strategy while everyone else was just tweeting about it. Throw in the XRP army who still believe their 2017 hopium chart is going to flip BTC, plus the usual nocoiner/doomer crowd praying for validation, and you’ve got a perfect storm of emotional baggage masquerading as analysis. The funniest part? They don’t realize that if Bitcoin actually went to zero, literally every other crypto project dies with it. BTC is the reserve asset whether they like it or not. No Bitcoin = no crypto period. Good thing that’s not happening.

anonbull8

Mastercard jumping into Bitcoin spending is wild. You’ll be able to use BTC to spend… no more converting to cash first. Curious to see how fees and settlement work, but this could push crypto deeper into everyday payments. More volume equals to more liquidity which likely means 🐂📈

DRAGULA85

Pretend $100k BTC is $1k

Project_Demosthenes_

Alt coins are all memecoins and I would recommend only BTC, ETH, and SPX6900.

SpontaneousDream

I don't get why more people aren't lending BTC and borrowing ETH or LINK on Aave. Borrow APY for LINK, for example, has been sub 1% for a very long time!! And the link/btc ratio has literally just been going straight down for over 5 years straight...same with eth/btc. Ratio has been straight down since 2018! That means if you borrow ETH back then at around 0.14 ratio, the debt you owed would be worth about-75% less. When you include a roughly 3% borrow APY, the debt owed would've gone down in value by about 70% (in other words, you profit 70% on your ratio trade). Am I missing something?

s74-dev

BTC dips with USD

YogurtclosetTall2558

Most “top crypto” ETFs end up looking simpler on the surface than they actually are. The overfunded effect you’re seeing usually comes from premiums, liquidity gaps, or how the fund custodies the underlying assets. Crypto ETFs don’t behave like S&P index funds because the underlying market is fragmented and custody risk still exists. So the ETF price drifting above actual NAV isn’t unusual. If you want exposure without picking coins but still want something closer to the real assets, you’re usually better off holding a small basket yourself. BTC + ETH plus one or two infrastructure plays gives you more control and less hidden structure.

YogurtclosetTall2558

Honestly, with 1000 dollars the best move is to avoid chasing random tickers. Start with assets that have survived every cycle like BTC and ETH. Then, if you want exposure to newer narratives, look at projects solving real problems instead of meme tokens. For example, data infrastructure in AI is becoming a real sector. Something like Ocean Protocol focuses on secure data exchange and has been around since 2017 without blowing up users. But don’t buy anything blindly. Start small, learn how wallets work, and treat it like a long term experiment instead of a gamble.

YogurtclosetTall2558

Most people will throw wild numbers here, but the honest answer is nobody knows. The only thing we can map is the trend. Every cycle has been driven by new demand unlocks. If ETFs, AI compute, and global adoption accelerate, 200k isn’t unrealistic. If regulation tightens or liquidity dries up, the range stays flat. What looks more interesting is the ecosystem forming around Bitcoin and AI. Data, compute, and agent infra are gaining traction. Projects like Ocean Protocol or AIOZ are positioning for that sector, and if the narrative grows, they might ride alongside BTC rather than depend on guesswork. The thesis matters more than the target.

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jkl2035

Same here - think it will be a bumpy road and a lot of the quantum token will have a Hype-cycle, but BTC will solve it and stay leading crypto - too much Institutional money in…

Henrik-Powers

Very cool design, but personally I would never sign up. As soon as your hacked and it will happen as it’s an amazing target to locate individuals with large BTC holdings.

shoolhar

“BTC is not backed by anything and can free fall to 0.” My take is it won’t happen. It is actually a good thing that it is not backed by anything. Think of gold. Money was once is backed by gold, because gold is what people want even though you can’t directly eat it or live in. BTC is what people want now and for quite a while in future. I only see it going up in value over time. I still consider current value a penny price compared to its future potential. Save this post and open it in 10 years. 😃

Phylaras

This is a reasonable take. It's hard for me to see how this is bad for BTC holders. MC should make tax lost harvesting pretty easy. It's a single file at the end of the year. It'll be much better than using wallets and whatnot.

RandomJoe7

I was a "hodler" with "diamond hands" since 2017 cycle, then again in 2021 cycle. Had lots of unrelaized profits every now and then, and instead of "cashing out/taking profits", I decided to hodl and watch the values go down and down and down. Some coins never recovered, others did a little bit, but much worse than expected etc. What did I do different this time? I told myself the cycle probably WILL repeat like usual, unlike all the people who always said "its gonna be different THIS time", bought only BTC/ETH (fuck all the bullshit alts) at the low of the market a couple years ago... and told myself I will this time make sure I sell/take profits. And that's why I did. In Oktober I zoomed out, it looks very similar to the "double top" of 2021 etc... and I sold everything. Only a few weeks later, everything dropped a lot. Of course, who knows, maybe it really "will be different... THIS time"... and I made a mistake. But one thing I can say for sure: it feels much better taking profits than it does watching your unrealized gains evaporate and turn into losses. Not just that, I now have a lot of liquidity to invest in other things, or even just get interest on, while I can wait for a good moment to get back in (if another good bear market comes).

norfbayboy

You're right, free sats won't get spent right away for the reasons you and others have mentioned. So they will probably just pile up for years in MC user accounts, which means MC has custody (or contracted that out). One day the sats might be worth trading in due to accrued value in exchange for meaningfull things. Meanwhile, MC still gets to use BTC for promotional and use incentive and can gate keep to a degree with 'card declined' and other terms and conditions. They can also comply with local government seizure demands, down the road.

Valuable-Werewolf548

Monetary systems have thousands of years. BTC was designed for the human species, not a specific generation. Chill.

SuperYova

That we don’t know who created BTC makes it exponentially more valuable than every other digital currency.

Hazys

It show BTC price will explode to moon 🌖

Phylaras

Your statement is an example of the logical fallacy: "missing the point." You only pay taxes on BTC if you earn money. If you have dollars, you will never pay taxes but never earn money. So the fees and taxes you pay will net you gains in that situation. That can only be a good thing for you personally.

MaxxGawd

nvm you're right it's not priced in yet. Everyone is really dumb and they don't know the money printer will turn on. Especially the institutional investors and whales who hold the majority of BTC. They don't know this fact but you do you're ahead of all of them.

realitynofantasy

Got it! Does this mean we get to accumulate more BTC in the 2026?

trillionSdollarstech

No, I don't own BTC

trillionSdollarstech

BTC is nothing else than the first so the biggest memecoin. You can code a Bitcoin on Ethereum in a few lines with better economics¹, better sustainability², better security³. Creating such a ERC20 token would get no traction because Burry is correct. But humanity agreed that they want to worship Bitcoin. ^1. ^no ^dumping ^from ^miners ^2. ^no ^risk ^of ^collapsing ^when ^most ^miners ^leave ^after ^a ^few ^more ^halvings ^3. ^Ethereum ^stacking ^is ^more ^decentralized ^than ^Bitcoin ^mining

UseMoreHops

They really want you to spend your BTC

Traditional-Flow-102

Use Ember app and mine BTC for free. Use my referral code MNGEBBIISXK to increase mined Bitcoin per hour.

Aaata-

Are you insane? BTC did almost 800% from last cycle bottom in less than 3 years... That is a bull market, now if you traded leveraged perps and solana shitters of course you got rekt but saying we did not have a bullmarket is crazy. This cycle is over, if you expect a new ATH in 2026 you will be disapointed, Q3/Q4 2026 will be capitulation, that is where you buy buy Bitcoin for the next cycle.

Illustrious_Way3898

It’s 1.28x above the 2021 ATH. Not double, but better than all other projects. BNB is the only one on par with BTC at 1.27x its 2021 ATH.

KIG45

So they won't sell because BTC will never fall that low again.

Additional-Ad-5894

Nick Bhatia in Layered Money argues that stablecoin adoption will still benefit BTC and change the system fundamentally as ultimately it’ll help shift towards a system where BTC is the reserve asset. Thoughts?

panthera_N

the market is like zombies, BTC needs to drop hard so that all shcoins sell off too, then the market gets a clean reset and starts a new cycle BIG and BEAUTIFUL, what the hell is xrp doing at 2, it needs to drop to 0.4, what is sol doing at that price, go back to 10, what is eth doing there, go back to 500,.....too slow, too slow

Financial_Clue_2534

Just buying BTC

Independent-Dog5311

And they slowly are. Only so much can be mined everyday now so it's a lot more scarce. And they buy OTC and manipulate it to no end...but you know all this by now if you're here.... I remember when they use to hate on BTC too before Covid, or they pretended to. I miss the old days of 2015 before all this big money got involved. Well, I'm gonna HODL and ride this wave. I don't do well as a wage-slave. Word is Blackrock has been buying BTC since 2017. Fink doesn't play nice, he may act like on stage of course when they interview him. It's disappointing Coinbase (Brian Armstrong) jumped into bed with him, but that's the way now. I started out CB.

Hopeful-Space3422

Means placing your sell/orders but they only executes if the price requirements has been met. Like if u place a limit order to buy 1k dollars worth of BTC at 80k. The system will automatically buy 1k dollars worth of BTC when BTC prices reaches 80k or below.

bAZtARd

Who's giving out loans against BTC?

jkl2035

I‘m long in some of the quantum projects because I think this sector will rocket when the major projects start the Migration process. Spend some time on the BIP360 approach for BTC and it will not be that easy to come to an consensus as several philosophical questions have to be answered (what to do with Satoshis coins?). Nevertheless a lot of bullshit projects out there in the quantum secure area

baIIern

BTC is slow expensive when there's a lot of transactions going on. That's why Bitcoiners switched from the "digital cash" narrative to "digital gold".

No_Toe710

Thanks — not trying to be Robin Hood. Just sharing what I wish someone told me before I learned the hard way. Once you realize you never have to sell your BTC to access liquidity, the whole financial map rewrites itself

vieuxpapou

USDT = purchase of American debt via Treasury bond BTC = financial freedom

Expensive_Special120

Until we compare BTC in USD, yes.

AnriTapel

So you say if price of BTC is represented in USD, then it backed by USD?)

eliploit

This is assuming you put all investable money into BTC and NEVER have any cash sitting around though, no?

Expensive_Special120

Well, how does BTC gains value, exactly?

trx-repo

With the ETFs now, I honestly think the massive 80% drawdowns are a thing of the past. Institutions will cushion the blow. I can see us steadily grinding up to 200k+ by 2027 as BTC solidifies itself as a legit reserve asset.

No_Toe710

It’s a great idea so long as you do it consistently. Ie. Take 1 year loans paid off in full in 12 months. Buy BTC. Then rinse repeat… for 5 years. 401k will be paid back in full every year — plus employer and employee contributions. Giving the employee a taxable 401k in retirement. Plus the Bitcoin purchased over multiple years.

No_Toe710

You could take 1/2 of your sats and post them as collateral for a BTC loan (50% LTV) that will allow you to stop monitoring the dip. And capitalize on it instead. For example — If you now own 1 BTC purchased at $124k. Then post 0.50 BTC for a $22.5k loan. If BTC drops to $60-70k you buy. Growing holdings 30-40% w a loan that is 20% of your original investment.

QryptoQurios2020

So you write an article to make people panic sell and y’all buy it up for cheap. Is that the plan here? Because I am sure Japan is the only country in the whole world that holds BTC! 🤨🙄 Anyway thank you for wasting our time again with this nonsense.

PeopleNose

Stablecoins? No BTC? Yes

Aggressive_Spell2314

In 5 years, 0.1 BTC will be worth a lot more.

EquivalentStock2432

It's great to see you pop up in these Bitcoin threads; still valiantly defending this garbage. Remember a few months ago we argued about the price and legitimacy of BTC and crypto? How are you still out here defending this crap when you're in water to your neck? 🤨 Cut your losses before it's too late!

wdf_classic

I read that once agentic AI's start being given some agency for their tasks, like buying inventory for businesses or moving any sort of value, then they would most likely use cryptocurrency as it would be the least friction for an AI to AI transaction. But if they ended up using Bitcoin there'd also need to be a new layer 2 tech that hasn't been created yet. What I'm getting at is that some of the events, or the rocket fuel that will cause BTC to explode again, either direction, will be something unfathomable. And in the timeframe of bitcoin, it's a guarantee that it will experience many black swans.

Training-Extent9606

It's just a major correction, BTC would move up

Avalanche325

And BTC critics claim that it is just a number in a ledger. They don’t realize that is exactly what their bank balance is.

idontgiveafunyun

I’m sorry but as an outsider to this conversation, he made it clear that Schiff saying $3800 was too expensive and BTC will never reach $100k as two separate points, which were likely said at far different times in BTCs cycle. So he is right to mention that you forgot that point, and they are not one AND the same as you attest. The icing on the cake is you insulting him about reading comprehension when well… I see it as the opposite, especially when you butcher a very common idiom. But enjoy being the smartest one in the room if that’s where your self-esteem comes from.

wtfmoe

vipcryptovault (vip crypto vault) is relatively a small and new TG channel, but they tradingview profile and market analysis is inanse specially predictng BTC and ETH moves. check their TG and see for yourself

Aggressive_Spell2314

BTC is easy and liberating. I‘ve been reading posts in altcoin subs lately, they’re suffering.

wtfmoe

vipcryptovault (vip crypto vault) is relatively a small and new TG channel, but they tradingview profile and market analysis is inanse specially predictng BTC and ETH moves

GoldmezAddams

I initially was pretty hung up on the issue of scaling. As I learned how BTC actually worked, I became very worried about bitcoin's ability to scale. These days, however, I'm very bullish on scaling. It helped a lot to come to understand that the base layer is a settlement layer, not a retail payment network. We can absolutely scale to 8 billion people with just our current scaling tech. The question now is if we can improve the situation with regards to all 8 billion people being able to be self-sovereign with unilateral exit, be able to own at least part of a UTXO, etc. Also, I had two big misconceptions before I actually got into bitcoin. One was that the "problem" with bitcoin (or "crypto" as I would have said back then) is that it is being used as speculation and not as a currency. I think that misunderstood the relation between store of value and medium of exchange, the nature of the "speculation" that was happening, and what monetization from zero actually looks like. And the other big one was not actually being sold on the merits of commodity money. Way back in my Ron Paul days, I watched those Bill Still documentaries like The Money Masters and The Secret of Oz. Bill persuaded me that a well managed fiat currency could actually be a good thing and if we just had good people at the wheel, they could twiddle the knobs in such a way to benefit us all. So for a very long time, I was with the libertarians on the moral / political stance, but I was never very convinced on the economics and especially gold as money. It wasn't until much more recently that I went further down the Austrian economics rabbit hole and really came to appreciate that there is no redeeming fiat. I think part of my fundamental misunderstanding was thinking that A) anyone would be capable of wielding that power responsibly and B) that a central planner could direct the market for money better than market forces.

lebastss

I said he was wrong about the 100k mark. Those two points are one in the same... You really are dumb aren't you? Reading comprehension hard eh? Price can go up, that doesn't mean it isn't a speculative asset I'm not even sure what you're saying. You're as much a BTC shill as he is a gold shill. You're both equally dumb. Trying so hard to find a way to own me you didn't even realize you self owned yourself by identifying your lack of critical thinking. Cool beans. It's why I don't really listen to him or the majority of people here. I'm fine being the smartest person in the room, there's nothing for me to prove.

MegaSackk

I think this is a great method, I do something similar but also paired with DCA and the results are great. I also look at it from a perspective of BTC will be at millions per coin in the future so buying all the "highs" is miniscule in the grand scheme of things. Therefore I am completely fine buying a little BTC every single day even if its at a current ath.

vitras

He made a few thousand of these coins/bars in various BTC denominations. There are records of each public address he created. He was very transparent about his process, including how he kept private keys private aside from himself and I think the (single person) sticker manufacturer. According to him, all records of private keys have been destroyed. I’ve never seen a reported fraudulent redemption. I own a 1BTC coin that I bought in 2013, I have the public address in a “watch list” and it’s still there and fully funded. I know part of the schtick of bitcoin is that nobody is required to trust anyone else (a bank, etc), but early bitcoin adopters were just as likely to be honest, nerdy people as they were to be scammers. I figure at this point, 10+ years later and after so much growth and without any evidence of foul play, I can comfortably trust that Casascius was an honest dude just nerding out about bitcoin. Feel free to downvote.

JustLTFD

You can't dilute shareholders under 1 NAV. He has publicly stated multiple times in the last week they will sell bitcoin if certain conditions are met. And those conditions are basically met. He rushed and grabbed 1.4 bil in cash to cover his ass for a while. You do you. It's not going to end well. When his ass loses it all, then you get in and that's when you can make some good money. You don't buy in with that ass with 650k BTC selling over you after he pumped the price himself.

_Nigerian_Prince__

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blackjackn

Why BTC has any value at all.

Seattleman1955

I think the real lesson to be learned is that it doesn't have to be all or nothing. If you had sold half, it would have felt just as good (like free money) and you'd still have 5 BTC:)

CXavier4545

how much was BTC when you first bought?

BTCWallahFXEmpire

Feel bad for their shareholders. Not sure what's gonna be their "Strategy" if BTC plunges below their cost average just around the time when they gotta repay, except liquidating shares (or worse, Bitcoin). It is high time Saylor should change Strategy's core business model to suit Bitcoin-enabled products: the man has enough BTC to launch a neobank, after all. They gotta gotta make money to keep us BTC bulls sleep better at night.. :D If any bro is in touch with Saylor, pitch him this idea already.

Present-Ad-3550

BTC and ETH only. No poo poo coins as Kevin O'Leary likes to say

nugymmer

Yeah sure it was. BTC went to 6 digits and held it there. Yeah right. 2023 was an accumulation year. How ridiculous.

nugymmer

Was a great year for BTC only. Everything else stagnated.

lebastss

I mean...he really was only wrong about the 100k mark and I being a ponzi scheme. It's not a ponzi scheme because it lacks a central operator. I'm a value investor so I don't really buy Bitcoin. If you are a value investor none of anything else he said was incorrect. Bitcoin does have value but only in a speculative sense. I see that he a gold schill though. I do think gold is a much better asset than BTC personally though.

2xfun

1 BTC = 1 BTC with a 21M cap

Prabuddha-Peramuna

DCA shines during strong, uninterrupted growth because it keeps you in the market without overthinking anything. My approach isn’t trying to beat DCA in every scenario. It’s just meant to improve my cost basis during the periods where BTC *does* give natural pullbacks, which historically still happen even inside big macro uptrends.I’m not trying to predict tops or avoid hyperbolic moves I stay in the trend long-term. I just prefer adding more aggressively at discounts instead of buying every candle on the way up. DCA removes emotion , my framework just adds a bit more structure around when I size in. Different logic, different personality, both can work over long horizons.

nestiebein

Market dynamics are very different, printers are running overtime printing trillions of dollars into the banking ponzi. OG whales should maybe stop selling billions at market like it's 2021. There's other options now. Lots of OTC options. Anyway, USD and other fiat is becoming exponentially worthless. There will be a point where everyone will seek options to value store and BTC will remain top contender. Halving effects should also become less depending on what BTC is valued at. Mass institutional adoption didn't happen in 2021. Already 20% of supply is taken over by institutions over the last year. There's really no need anymore to dump it at market. Cycle all you want but I'm betting on taking a ride on my bicycle instead this season.

Prabuddha-Peramuna

it’s just a practical threshold that fits Bitcoin’s typical volatility. BTC regularly gives 10–20% pullbacks even in strong trends, so 15% sits right in the middle. It’s big enough to represent a real discount, but not so deep that it almost never triggers. I also adjust it based on the trend… in strong moves I tighten it to smaller dips.