BTC

DifficultSquash1517

You know we have diminishing returns every cycle. I'd be surprised if we hit a 3X from here, which wouldn't be bad🤷 BTC loves to throw curve balls, and wouldn't surprise me if it didn't hit 126k this cycle... Just sayin

ahhhaccountname

My company restricts us to ETFs, so i sold and just all inned on BTC. I also told my friend in June 2025 to all in on intel because I couldnt

potificate

I used to hate maxis, but yeah… BTC is the way to go. If you must, MAYBE some eth, but don’t waste your coin on anything else.

UnsersGottaGo

time travelling cyborg S. Nakamoto needs 600,000 BTC in his own time. this was the most efficient way to do it.

bdemon40

People are still processing inflation and whether or not it's the fault of a political party, the natural state of a free market (it isn't), etc. Over time they explore options like BTC. Not all at once, but its cruising towards 18 years and hasn't stopped.

KidAmulet

Bitcoin is kinda done. It helped solidify the industry, but there are much better blockchains out now. From now until the next cycle top, you'll be lucky to get a 3x out of BTC (somewhere between $200 and $250k). Better to spread it out into ETH, SOL, and ZEC. Moderate to bull case estimates from now until next cycle top: ETH: $10-15k = \~4-5.76x SOL: $600-1,000 = 6-10x ZEC: $10-20k = 6.66-13.33x All three of these are not really going down the risk curve. They are all blue chip assets.

Gears6

If "you" invested into Nvidia in 2021, you'd also have vastly superior return on it over BTC. Cherry picking periods of time is a huge mistake, let alone past performance is not indicative of future performance. We could get into a BTC stagnation in the next decade..... If we could predict the future by some magic formula, the past or with dice or cards, we'd all be rich.

SpontaneousDream

Put half in BTC and the other half in coins that have actual revenue + buybacks.

RoyYourWorkingBoy

Very good point. Mine is in a private area, so I can get away with it. It needs a little screen that reads BTC/USD when activated and something bland like Dow Jones Average in stealth mode.

ratiug22

I originally started buying ARKB because I couldn’t buy BTC in my Roth. Now I 500+ shares of ARKB. I have realized the swings on ARKB are more volatile than BTC

3pinripper

“14 years ago If I knew exactly how to make future predictions that would make me rich, I’d be a millionaire today!” In fact, I would’ve taken out as many loans as possible and put $1,000,000 into BTC in 2009 when it worthless and I’d be the richest person in the world now, somehow exceeding the entire market cap of BTC itself.

derbyfan1

If anyone is reading this and still unsure about buying BTC.... JUST DO IT

TheSneederOfSeethe

It’s not really so much Cash App, more cash apps association with crime and lack of assurances you will get your money if they go broke. The lack of assurances is why I promote self custody, but the association with crime added the possibility of a red flag locking your account if you transfer any large quantity of bitcoin to it. Tons of drug dealers use bitcoin, I knew quite a few. They were always having to change accounts every few months due to suspicious activity. Law enforcement treats BTC suspicious as it is.

theundeniable

Now do the same comparison: investing $1,000 in BTC in October 2025 versus investing $1,000 in SanDisk that same month. Not quite as aesthetically pleasing, is it?

ratiug22

I’m holding it with a 30 year time horizon in a ROTH IRA. But I know I can start buying BTC instead my Roth now

Mortenubby

They said the same thing 10 years go. I'm over 5x in my BTC

quintavious_danilo

Explain the benefit over holding BTC itself.

crimeo

> Fuck alts + > since 2020 = lol, ETH, the main alt, has outperformed BTC since 2020

gjp23

1) it's a Cathie Wood product 2) why would you not just own the underlying asset? 3) your paying a fee for someone else to buy BTC when you could just purchase it yourself

georgejetsonn

You would most probably not have invested $1000 in bitcoin in 2013. The modern BTC as store of value narrative became much more dominant only later, particularly after The Bitcoin Standard in 2018 and Saylor's all-in in 2020

Sophie_Cookie

BTC/ETH, but mainly BTC really

Optimal-Cycle630

Tbf if I bought Nike I would have $1,390 today, if I bought BTC I would have panic sold at a 50% drop (but I probably would’ve learned a lesson and reinvested later on, so net better off)

Angelofromgr

Biggest buy in was at 300$ and 1000$, it could have been a dozen BTC’s, I was mining at 1-5$, but I lost a harddrive. Can’t complain though. Saving it for my kiddos.

Historical-Leg2519

Yes, that’s right BTC is the undisputed king with endless potential. As long as you have enough patience, you’re sure to reap the rewards you’re after

cubeeless

BTC to $400k!

ahhhaccountname

I sold all my nvidia in august 2021 for BTC (~55k in nvidia)

maxglan123

This BTC heater is kind of silly. Heat pumps are great for heating and make more economic sense.

0xSnib

"I've held BTC since 2017....I assumed "I withdrew to cold storage" meant "the exchange can't see what I do now." Highly doubt you've been here since 2017 Poor attempt at organic marketing for slop app goes brrrrrrrr

redderhair

Fifty cents, when BTC was at $1. It was change from a transaction that is legal today but not at the time.

btc_set_me_free

I didn’t start yesterday, I started last month. I didn’t just put “is BTC going down into ChatGPT, I used 250 prompts. And other stupid things you said.

lobhater

Exactly! Unless the market collapses which I don't see happening BTC is going to be worth A LOT more in 10-20 years

retro_grave

Was this meme made 5 years ago? You're living in a different reality if you think anything but BTC has "rocketed" in the last half decade.

Striking_Fail6689

BTC and ETH that’s it , don’t touch others

speedbump888

BTC

Olmops

That is actually the perfect hedge. Either it plummets and you win, or it doesn‘ and you have all the BTC. And then you dump and it crashes and your shorts win.

RealisticViewr

I lumped bought 1.5 BTC at 59K average this year. All it gave me was an obsession and a lot of stress. Sold it all mid 60’s.

UpstairsAide3058

How do you calculate average. Like for example my average “was” a clean 45k. Then I sold all last cycle got all my investment back so I really don’t have any money at “risk” but have plenty of BTC

MofoFTW

BTC to the moooon1!1!1!1!!1!!

ServingTheMaster

BTC and/or ETH, hold. Offline hardware wallet.

Arc_ClutchUp

Only BTC

Life_Echo_7993

85k. Bought at the ATH and have been averaging down ever since. I have complete and utter conviction in BTC so I just keep stacking more every pay day regardless.

BorgerMoncher

I'm not sure that BTC is the right asset for you.

Agile-Common-1448

You're assuming “becoming the world's currency necessarily means the U.S. government has to surrender the dollar first. That's not how monetary transitions have historically worked. The dollar itself became the dominant global currency without every country formally abandoning its own currency. If Bitcoin becomes sufficiently useful as a neutral global settlement asset, store of value, and unit of account, adoption can happen independently of what the U.S. government wants. And saying “it'll just be a reserve asset” doesn't really defeat the argument it could be the intermediate stage. If enough countries, institutions, and individuals hold and transact in BTC, the network effects can eventually make it increasingly relevant for actual payments. You're treating today's monetary system as if it's permanent. Twenty years is an extremely long time in monetary history. The question isn't whether the U.S. wants to surrender monetary sovereignty it's whether technological and economic incentives could make the existing system increasingly irrelevant

Fun_Map2481

Well if everyone here wants to pretend that BTC isn't fully dependent on the value of USD... Then yes. Everyone's an idiot but me.

Fun_Map2481

Oh ok so I'm right and the value of BTC rising is nothing to be excited about because all it means is we are in a recession. Got it. Thanks.

Prize-Director-7896

Buy S&P500 instead. BTC is much more overvalued than something real like the S&P. If you want action just buy levered ETFs. Not BTC. Don't be someone else's sucker liquidity.

Fun_Map2481

You don't get it... What bro none of you get it..... If the USD becomes worthless can't you see why having a token worth 80,000 of that worthless currency is... Worthless? It's so crazy to me how stupid so many of you are about this.... This isn't like complicated economics.... It's literally the fact of what Bitcoin is. Why do you people think BTC is it own independent currency? It's not. It's like a casino chip. The chip itself is worthless outside the casino but in the casino it's valuable because it's tied to real money.

user_name_checks_out

> Could the value of BTC be rising because the value of the USD is falling? Yes, but that is not the only factor that could cause a rise in the price of bitcoin relative to the dollar. Another would be an increase in demand for bitcoin - absent any decrease in the purchasing power of the dollar.

blaziken8x

It's a common mistake every newcomer makes when they buy a whole salad of crypto hoping to get one that will 100x. If it were me, I'd just pick 4-5 that you like the most, with BTC being the highest percentage. And as the other commenter said, most of those will move with BTC.

Fun_Map2481

Concept? It's not a concept. It's the fact of what BTC is.

Fun_Map2481

I'm blown away at the ignorance.... If 1 BTC is equal to $81,000 USD that means BTCs worth is completely dependent on the USD.... Why is this so hard for so many people to understand?

RiceMofo

Just because you traded USD for BTC does not mean that Bitcoin value is measured in US Dollar

Fun_Map2481

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I don't think you understand the value of BTC is based on how much USD it's worth...

Fun_Map2481

Why do so many people not seem to understand that the value of BTC is tied directly to USD? With no USD there is no BTC...

respectandmanners

If you’re in the USA, get a Coinbase account and get the Coinbase One card. You’ll start off getting 2% BTC rewards. It’s an amazing way to DCA. Between monthly BTC buys and your BTC DCA credit card rewards, you’ll move up to the 2.5 and 3% tiers within a year or so. Then, within 5-10 years, you’ll have a whole BTC or more. Then, wait and continue to stack. If you need to liquidate it, it will be there. If you don’t need it, just continue to add to your rainy day fund

Blade_Runner_69

1 BTC is worth 1 BTC Try and keep up old chap.

KindCalligrapher

Are you talking about lower inflation (lower rate of price increases in fiat) OR deflation ( lowers prices in fiat). Regardless you probably want to be thinking about the real price of BTC, think about how much real stuff you can buy with 1BTC. In a deflationary environment sure the BTC price might decrease but since things cost less you could buy equivalent amount of things. The Big Mac index is way to think of this: how many big macs can be bought for 1BTC. You become richer when the price of BTC goes up OR the price of big macs goes down.

Fun_Map2481

And what is the current worth of 1 BTC?

fan_of_hakiksexydays

I've been an Avax bagholder for years. I've been trying to convince myself it wasn't just another shitcoin. But at some point, there was no amount of copium that could work anymore. This is more of a short term play on volatility. I wouldn't bet Avax on being the future of blockchain. In fact, blockchain as it stands today is probably not enough of a technology. BTC sort of work as some digital gold. Ethereum for smart contracts. But the real future is with some new technology that will combine AI, blockchain, and quantum computing. None of the current chains are it.

NeighborhoodOld163

No need to send money or BTC. As the name implies, these are public faucets so no need to pay. Practice receiving testnet btc from the faucet and you practice sending by returning testnet btc to the faucets or any other testnet wallet that you create. Any mistakes that you make on testnet won't cost you money.

Late_Interaction2547

Margex is one of the platform i'd compare if youre taking the short. before that, though, i'd want to see BTC confirm the setup rather than entering just because the macro picture looks bearish

TasteLegitimate3964

keep it extremely simple: pure BTC or a 80/20 BTC/ETH split. since you don't want to follow news or trade, avoiding altcoins entirely will save you a lot of headache

VettaQ

Two separate questions get tangled here: why ETH is up, and why your other coins are down. For the second one, a useful check is to stop measuring in USD for a minute and measure each holding against ETH or BTC. A lot of the long tail has been bleeding against the majors for a couple of years regardless of headlines - liquidity and narrative rotate, and when nothing rotates into your bucket there just isn't a bid. ETH had its own flows this window, so it decoupled from the tail. None of that tells you what to buy or sell, but 'my coins are broken' vs 'my coins are the wrong beta bucket' are different problems, and the second one is the more common answer.

Fun_Map2481

Hey, I forgot, what is the value of BTC based on again?

Possible-Magazine23

Approximately 10% above 50w. In the past BTC has broken above 50w and rallied 10% above but still in a bear market

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liquid42

BTC & ETH, and nothing else.

EarningsPal

1. Buy BTC with $400. 2. Use it as collateral. Borrow 25%. Sweep that into a brokerage account, buy high cash flow ETFs like QQQI. Not long term good as pure index exposure but short term high cash flow. 3. Take the 1% monthly dividend, DCA fee switch altcoins. Look at the gas guzzler lists and buy what people pay to use. Ex. UNI, AAVE, ARB, SOL, LINK, etc. anything with already on fee switch and revenue.

ExercisePerfect6952

Just take out a loan against your BTC…

Traditional_Most105

If you want the safe way with less upside go BTC and ETH. If you want something with more upside then look on altcoins that are in the top 50 or top 100, make sure they are not memecoins, have a working project behind them, a trending narrative, good tokenomics and either put all your available money on one, or diversify and hold long term. For example some of my goins i will hold long term and dca on them are LINK, HBAR, TRAC, NEAR, TAO. I am not mentioning them to influence you. Do your own research. I dont know if its a good entry point now. But if youre gonna hold long term and dca on any coin you choose then it doesnt matter.

newMoneyStyle

Probably just referring to end of October seasonality since Q4 has historically been decent for BTC. Doesn't really have anything to do with the chain itself, more market sentiment stuff.

Neither_Position2408

You have to give your exact value at 1 january 0:00 hours. If BTC is at 200K, you are basically fucked. Welcome to the Netherlands i guess.

Rich_Signal_1512

Just DCA the whole $400 into BTC every month and don't overthink it. Splitting with ETH sounds more "balanced" but for beer money it's really just doubling your setup and security surface for a diversification benefit that barely matters at this size. Most exchanges let you automate recurring buys so it runs itself. Only real thing worth doing manually every year or two is moving it off the exchange into your own wallet once it adds up to something you'd actually care about losing. Past that, just set it and forget it is the whole strategy.

No_Progress_5160

50% BTC / 50% alt-coins - this is always working great for me.

Topspeed_PT

DCA BTC and Sol.

KodigoMadrid

BTC for the win!

Ok_Pollution7093

All BTC, cold wallet, forget the password exists for 5 years. The thing nobody says: write down your seed phrase on paper twice and store them in two different physical locations. Losing keys ruins more people than bad picks ever did.

hodler1992

Are you completely regarded? In which world is BTC moving downwards?

fllthdcrb

> I *think* Bisq provides that option In its way, yes. The trade protocol requires both parties to lock up the BTC being traded, along with their security deposits with a script requiring both to sign to release the funds. But the script also includes a path that can be used after some number of days if dispute resolution fails, giving the funds to the Bisq DAO; after that, an arbitrator comes in and decides the proper resolution. The arbitrator pays out with their own funds and then seeks compensation from the DAO, so they are financial incentivized to do the right thing. (There's a bit more, too, but I don't want to make this explanation overly long.)

f2pool-CSR3

That’s right—it is impossible to correctly predict its every move at all times, but one can predict the trend, and the trend for BTC is upward.

AltruisticPapaya6741

Just BTC and Bnb

icantgiveyou

Yeah,the one time I had to use Bitcoinmat. There was a basic use fee, terrible exchange rate for USD( I am in Czech) and then even worse rate for BTC. I calculated all of it afterwards and it came to 19.5%. Lesson learned.

TheresNoSecondBest

>Can the US control bitcoin? No, they cannot. >https://x.com/1914ad/status/2100970224661008553?s=46&t=18yYh2YXkfndk0YzoQlMlA Refer to the post. Trying to understand what is the point of bitcoin if one country could restrict its use for people or an entity. The post says: "⚠️ Iran is still using Bitcoin to bypass sanctions and it’s a worst-case scenario, handing the United States the perfect weapon for further control of $BTC" All the government can do it standing at the **legally operated** gates to and from the Bitcoin world and stopping anyone to cross the gate. They cannot stand/restrict anyone using the P2P gates, nor anyone, using bitcoin on the network. Just have a look at the country that managed to build the Great Firewall to stop using random websites like Google/Facebook/Twitter. China banned Bitcoin multiple times, yet people keep ignoring the bans and keep mining/using Bitcoin as they feel.

Enuda

Here is the only definitive take: Chill out, no one actually knows F all. Wanna invest, invest, don't want to? Don't. If you are sitting on BTC, stay seated and just hope for the best, as that's all you can do, because you can't predict this BS.

freakythrowaway79

On the block chain it's actually 1,000s of addresses with about 50 BTC in each. They are referred to as the Patoshi cluster. It's not just 1 fat address with 1.1million BTC.

YetiMaverick

Thanks - I think I'll just play it safe and get BTC

Embarrassed_Sort6828

The heat comparison is fair. Nearly all of the 450W ends up as heat either way, but the miner returns some BTC while it is running. The real question is whether the extra purchase cost, noise and changing mining difficulty still make sense compared with a basic heater. For an office that already needs heat, 30 TH/s at 450W is at least an interesting trade-off.

hodler1992

If the CIA did create BTC as you concluded, then it could dump on the whole world anytime, see?

--Ivxry--

Buy one of the top three. BTC, ETH, or SOL. Everything else is basically irrelevant

RemielMonroe

$BTC no thought needed. Buy and hold.

Suspicious-Holiday42

Every time BTC pumps after you bought months ago you feel like the master planner Madara Uchiha "Hashirama, you fiat savings account user, I will walk a greater path towards the light, and on that journey I will enjoy the debates with you about wether bitcoin or fiat is better"

eighthourblink

I'm just sitting here with my .1BTC that I won from a $50 pack of Currency cards.

oneawesomewave

Buy "Mastering Bitcoin" by Andreas M. Antonopoulos for 25 USD Wair until you understand how crypto work Buy a hardware wallet like Ledger or Trezor roe about 100 USD Buy 100 USD of BTC Learn about Smart Contracts, cheap Udemy courses are available for around 25 USD Buy ETH for 125 USD. Buy POL, SOL or ADA for 25 USD. Dabble with smart contracts. Buy two cryptkitties and start a cat farm. The last one wasn't entirely serious. The rest is.

-Certes-

I own 0.02BTC and I live in France, I've never seen anyone else holding and I know if I tell my friends about it they're gonna make fun of me saying I'm delusional for thinking it will make me rich (I don't think that btw)

Suspicious-Holiday42

You mean everyone who sold their car and house yesterday to buy BTC after it pumped

RevCoat633

I don't think there is any logical reason for BTC to fall below the cost of mining. It wouldn't make sense.

YetiMaverick

THanks, yea I think I'll just do that, look for little BTC drops and buy

MoccaLG

Step 1.) Everytime when BTC gets a dropdown - Buy some. 2.) But with 400 right now, ETF - world and wait for the tech stock to crash than buy em

A_Honking_Goose

75% BTC 25% ETH would probably be your best bet. Or just 100% BTC,

UpstairsAide3058

I wish everyone in this sub would be required to say how Much BTC they are holding so we all know who to pay attention to and who is full of shit