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Sos418_tw

theres actually some precedent for tracking this kind of thing if you know where to look check chainalysis 2023 report on illicit crypto flows - they estimated CJNG moved around $40M through mixers annually before the crackdown. after major cartel leadership kills theres usually a 48-72hr window where on-chain activity spikes then dumps hard for real-time correlation try: \- mexico violence database at justiceinmexico dot org (tracks cartel conflicts with timestamps) \- glassnode alerts for sudden large BTC movements from older wallets \- compare dates with DEA cartel leadership updates the timing checks out but i'd add that binance froze \~$6M in CJNG-linked accounts last month so some of this was already priced in. still your point about power vacuum liquidity needs is solid - when plaza bosses need cash fast crypto is fastest probably wont see mainstream media connect these dots but the on-chain data doesnt lie

Ac-xYz-

This company has bought 500k BTC over the last two years and the price is where it was 2 years ago. Ha ha ha. Weird

BacchusAndHamsa

always the same bs in bull markets as new bagholders are born. BTC is still dropping, foolish to buy now

perfectpaperpusher

I don’t need heavy concentration I like to keep a big 3 and I usually am pretty diverse, I have my hand in almost all of the top 10 coins except for XRP I got out of that.. I own Zero BTC and ETH. I refuse to buy BTC until it goes under 20k ETH I may buy if it goes to around 1600 I’d definitely buy it if it fell under 1000 I definitely get what you mean about smaller caps like $Tara $XDC $IP $INJ $FLR $IMX stuff like that … the gamble plays.. bags I don’t sell bc I don’t need the money but I’d definitely benefit from if they mooned or even just went to $1

Necessary-Nature-380

Really negative outlook for BTC and crypto. It is ALWAYS testing the bottom and did this at $100k, $80k and $60k... Consolidated at $105k, $85k and $65k... if it ever does pump it is sold off instantly and does not stay there for more than 3 minutes. Even consolidating at $64k is extremely dangerous and only a matter of time before it wants to test the $60k level again.. the real bottom is likely to be around $35k... how often it dumps and consolidates before it gets there is another question

BacchusAndHamsa

ETH just follows BTC in proportion. no real difference to fan one over the other

Unfair_Explanation53

Yeah true. I only have BTC and ETH and ETH just follows BTC. Seems pointless in hindsight having both but still gonna hold them

RepresentativeAspect

No, because there's no fraud (that we have any reason to expect). If he buys BTC and that goes to zero, that's not fraud. If he took out the money personally or "loaned" it to his girlfriend, that would be fraud.

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angelwolf71885

They want to trade BTC for another coin and then change it back to BTC to another more different BTC wallet to mask it’s Origin

Relative_Drop3216

How does BTC going down in value make it a good currency? That actually makes it worse. If you for example get paid in BTC say $500 in BTC then plan to pay rent, power, Groceries… anyone who is living pay check to pay check will be short on their bills every week because the value of their account keeps dropping. An everyday currency must be stable. Long term investment however BTC makes much more sense with disposable income at this point you might as well buy stocks. Because unless BTC falls back to $13k the returns are almost identical to stocks.

iamthefalcon

You bitcoins need to realize BTC has already gone to the moon! It’s well surpassed the moon. People were buying in at a few hundred dollars a coin, no it’s $60k+. The moonshot is over.

CryptoOnTheSidewalk

I get why people land there. BTC has the cleanest narrative and the longest track record. If someone told me they only held BTC, I wouldn’t think that’s crazy at all. That said, I don’t see it as all or nothing. BTC feels like the anchor. Other assets are more like higher risk satellites that might outperform in certain cycles but can also underperform hard. For me it comes down to goals and temperament. If you don’t want to track ecosystems, upgrades, tokenomics, and narratives, BTC only is probably the simplest path. If you enjoy following the space and can handle volatility, a small allocation elsewhere can make sense. Are you leaning BTC only because of simplicity, or because you don’t see long term value in the rest of the market?

Ok-Structure4057

OP, let me tell you. When the Bitcoin market gets chaotic , you really need to stick to a conservative spot trading strategy. It’ll make you a lot more confident in your BTC investments because it keeps your funds much safer. For me, I set up simple DCA trading bots and then just leave them be—it cuts down that constant price-checking a lot. I’ve been using BYDFi’s spot grid bot all the time; it buys low and sells high automatically on its own, no extra work from me needed. And their demo trading feature has helped me so much ! I only need $10 to practice trading, and I can also watch how the pros act when the market’s volatile. It’s a really great tool for newbies who don’t want to go all-in with their cash.

CryptoOnTheSidewalk

Yeah for me there’s kind of a spectrum. BTC and ETH feel like the “core holdings” side of crypto at this point. Still volatile compared to anything traditional, but they’ve survived multiple cycles and have real network effects. Sol, Sui, Avax I’d put in that middle bucket. Established ecosystems, real activity, but still way more dependent on narrative shifts and ecosystem growth. I wouldn’t call them reckless, just higher beta plays. When I say high risk bets I’m thinking tiny caps that are mostly potential and hype. The kind where one bad cycle and they disappear. How concentrated are you trying to be? That usually matters more than the specific ticker.

SrirachaThief

I'm holding BTC forever. When I need cash I borrow against it. I will be using the BBD strategy when I have a big enough stack.

Abject-Stretch-1187

Please tell me you’re atleast shorting BTC? Because if you’re not then it only means you don’t even believe that it would be at 35k in October. Shorting it all the way down there would make you lots of money to then buy that dip with. 

DPSK7878

A speculative asset with poor risk adjusted returns. BTC is back to 2021 high price. There are other assets that can give better risk adjusted returns.

tootintx

I think many of us have just learned to ignore anyone that is running with that programming. My job isn't defend BTC, convince someone they are wrong, or worse listen to people that may not even have any significant holdings.

Content_Ad2293

It’s really not! It has become more and more regulated meaning that federal authorities take it seriously. Continue to buy BTC and ETH. All these fancy banking institutions would not be getting into the crypto field if it wasn’t promising!

SurroundAccording535

BTC and NASDAQ correlation has been at historic highs over the past couple years. But BTC is down almost half from its peak while NASDAQ is near ATH. If it were purely a leveraged proxy, that gap doesn't make sense.

SHUT_DOWN_EVERYTHING

I think it's more of a competition between still in business and bankrupt. They haven't really cracked a practical business model and while BTC will most likely recover and hit new records, those gaps between records have also been shrinking as it's gone mainstream.

Skillerstyles

I’m just sticking to boring DCA tbh. Every cycle feels dramatic in the moment, then obvious in hindsight. I’d rather accumulate slowly than try to time the exact bottom. Also moved some of my idle BTC to earn yield instead of letting it sit. I’ve been using Nexo for that because it lets me keep exposure while earning daily interest. In a bear, compounding matters more than hype. Plan is simple: stack, earn, wait.

Sharp-Perception5658

Tell me why. What is your thesis? Why is this time different from all of the other times when BTC fell and eventually recovered to make new highs?

SeaMicSte

I don’t have much. Enough that I care and would like to see it do well, but an amount that I wouldn’t be torn up over losing. Namely, $3K principal in BTC @ 64k DCA, $1.5K principal in ETH @ $2,700 DCA. All numbers in CAD

watch-nerd

Given the correlations, do you need BTC is a levered proxy for NASDAQ when you can just buy NASDAQ options? BTC has value in an institutional port if it's not duplicative of things already held, but it it's just a risk asset that moves with other risk-on assets, the need isn't compelling.

No_Giraffe_4647

Beside the major cryptos BTC/ETH I am stacking HBAR, HYPE, AAVE and UNI for the following reasons: HBAR has hashgraph tech which is pushing limits of scalability, energy efficiency plus speed at new competition level. It starts to create noise and more and more deal closed but still at a very discounted price HYPE because of the leverage provided to the crypto derivatives it is very popular and generating tons of volume and revenue. They are using a large chunk of this revenue to burn token and create more scarcity (max supply was originally 1 billion and falling) AAVE as key player for lending and borrowing cryptos which is very popular activity as well just after derivative leverage positions. The margin is not high but volumes are tremendous so it is generating pretty good revenue Finally UNI as swapping coins is becoming a national sport and they take a few bucks on million transactions so pretty good revenue stream, pity thing is that nothing benefit to token holders yet in regards of revenue sharing but it might change soon.

SurroundAccording535

Mostly as a financial asset. Spot ETFs pulled in $49B+ in net inflows in year one. Strategy alone holds 700K+ BTC. The US established a Strategic Bitcoin Reserve holding 200K+ BTC. Almost nobody is buying coffee with it, even El Salvador walked back legal tender status. Whether "more people holding it" without "more people using it" is sustainable long-term is the real question.

ljungbergsghost

Can you tell me how you can see Whales are shorting BTC?

QuackPhD

You’ll need to use a crypto tax form tool like CoinTracker or Koinly. Link your exchange accounts and wallets, let it run the math, and it will cough out your 8949 and Schedule D which go in your taxes. I had $3k of losses from BTC which I was able to deduct, along with stock losses. Crypto tax form tools are typically $50-$150 per year depending on how many trades you places.

CryptoCircle_

I like the idea, that is, as close to zero as possible so that I can buy, ... I would like to have such an opportunity, too bad I can't go back in time to pull myself together and give myself a tip ... these days I'm happy with a price reduction on BTC . . 60k is ok, 50k is good, any lower is a bargain

PirateSKB

Honestly I think BTC will be fine, and long-term I think this is a good accumulation point depending on your risk tolerance and if you intend to hold for a couple of years. It can always go up or down though, but I doubt we'll just rally straight to 150, and that wouldn't be healthy anyways since you want slow stained growth instead of parabolic growth usually (otherwise it'll just fall back down again usually)

DorkyDorkington

Also "BTC the ancient vintage choice - for those who like old tech." BTC is like a steam engine of the crypto world, not very efficient, not very useful anymore but some old guys like to fiddle with it to pass time.

JoeyJoJo_1

Yes, institutions which currently aren't allowed to allocate a percentage value to BTC for their funds will be able to do so, and managers will be able to recommend as such. It takes up to 8 meetings to get clients to agree to allocations in many cases, and meetings are quarterly, so don't expect fireworks immediately.

SurroundAccording535

This is why I just DCA and stop checking charts. Been auto-buying $49 of ETH daily through this whole dip. Average cost went from $2,027 down to $1,855 while everyone panics. The "going to zero" crowd gets loud at the bottom and quiet at the top, every cycle. Same applies with BTC.

uamdarasulka

maybe. $758M in BTC longs could be defensive positioning ..stop the bleeding, not start a bull run. but $491M actively shorting ETH at the same time is harder to explain as "keeping it from crashing." that's a directional bet, not damage control

NilNow

I mean the low should hopefully be higher than the last cycle low lol but thats like a $15k bar. $30-$40k feels right going on literally nothing beyond the historical trends and cycle charts. Although I’m personally optimistic that it could be $50k+ given all of the positive advancements in BTC since then (which still do exist even if everyone is ignoring right now). But we’ll see. Maybe that’s too optimistic.

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Rock_Strongo

Massive in terms of dollars. Percentage-wise he's down what 20%? For a volatile asset like BTC that isn't much. A 2 day pump could bring them back to even.

watch-nerd

ETF narrative? Done. Institutional acceptance? Done. Inflation hedge? Failed, there are better options that track inflation better. Digital gold? Failed, physical gold beat it. Scarcity? Failed, when 1 BTC supports an ETF and uncapped derivatives thereof, creating 'paper BTC' Quantum resistance? No definitive answer yet, drag on price. So what's left to drive price up in the future?

mjcace

BTC never hit 500 USD in 2015. It was down under $200 at some point. If his story is true, then he could def have 1 Milly in Canadian

Shelbadier

I went 50/50 btc/paxg recently. Imma wait for BTC to hit 55 and then swap that pesky gold for Bitcoin

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davie18

I think you you misunderstood my comment… go and read again the comment you first replied to that I made. My only point is it makes more sense for people to use BTC as a currency as it’s going down in value rather than up. But either way, of course I agree it’s awful as a currency if the price is volatile in either direction.

TheresNoSecondBest

Are you trying to say, you've never used it, despite hearing about it for this long? Here's how spending bitcoin IRL looks like: https://youtu.be/Tlhvnpi2ukA I'm using Bitcoin almost on a daily basis. Buying groceries, paying for meals, taxis, domains/hosting, VPN... Spend and replace is usually the name of the game so no, I'm not spending bitcoin while saving in cash. If you're thinking about spending some, here are my favorite directories: http://lightningnetworkstores.com/ https://btcmap.org - awesome map, you can even add your local vendors in, once you orangepill them. https://acceptlightning.com/list.html https://spend-sats.com/ https://spendabit.co/ https://directory.btcpayserver.org/ There's also an option of buying gift cards https://thebitcoincompany.com/ https://bitrefill.com https://www.egifter.com/buy-gift-cards-with-bitcoin - this one's least fave because they use a shitty custodian for payments but are handy for a few cards. Spend and earn some sats back: https://foldapp.com - save up to 20% Starbucks, Uber, Target , whole foods , Dunkin https://www.lolli.com – save up to 30% by spending BTC anywhere but primarily USA stores https://satsback.com/stores-list - save up to 20% by spending BTC anywhere but primarily Europe stores.

macetheface

The *expectation* was for it to top on euphoria like it always has. A blow off top. It didn't as recently evidenced. If global economy is in the pits as it was, any risk adverse investments will follow. Even so BTC still managed to get to an ATH. Because it didn't follow the 'normal' agenda everyone expected, now it's seen as failed overall and people say it's going to 0. Hence extreme sustained fear. Just kids with goldfish brains that don't understand how markets work.

onlyrelevantlyrics

A friend of mine is riding a similar train. Bought and mined a ton in 2011. Sold a bunch in 18. Bought the dip. Sold in 21. Bought the dip. Sold more in 25. Currently buying the shit out of the dip. Whether through sheer luck or wizardry, he holds the lows and sells the highs to the tune of massive profits. And taxes. He's been holding since day one basically. Unfortunately the only advice I've ever listened to from him is to just keep stacking. That's what I've been doing since 2015. In 11 years my returns would (even at 25k BTC) far outweigh my investments. Small frequent dca all the way.

Pladeente

Lmao y'all all believe the elite who have funnelled money into this will let Bitcoin fail? It's going down because they're selling and the public are sheep and are doing the same, once it's low and the "BTC is dead" bots are replaced by bulls it'll go back up so the elite can make more money. Just don't be dumb and buy on the way down like the rest of the 1%.

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DrSpeckles

It’s a drain for venture capital. People are making shit tons trying to develop one, despite knowing the impossibility of the task. BTC will be long gone before quantum becomes a threat.

PirateSKB

Oh it doesn't, I just thought it would be fun to add since it was rumored that he had 1 million BTC https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/12cbQLTFMXRnSzktFkuoG3eHoMeFtpTu3S - This is Satoshi's wallet

blainewitch

My son tell us to sell. My husband isn’t super computer savvy and he left about $200 in his account in the early-ish 2000s. It was 1/4 BTC. He got locked out for years. Since then we have accessed it and put it into a hardware wallet. It’s been fun to watch grow. I hope it skyrockets! We decided not to sell because it’s not even real to us. It was a lost $200 long ago that keeps going up and down but never as low as when he bought it. I wish it would have been a full coin, but grateful for the surprise.

DPSK7878

MSTR will blow up BTC some time in the future. I can smell it.

Great_Flatworm1297

From what I have learnt over the years in crypto is you usually do the opposite of what the stats are saying. I’m saying BTC is gonna drop further below 60k & eth is going to maintain its price due to its utility

RobinhoodtraderBTC

The S&P will go down if there’s an AI bubble burst. The question we could ask is, would that event help BTC or hurt BTC?

biba8163

- BTC Dominance over Alts is now at over 67% - Stablecoins marketcap is now more than 50% the size of the total Alt Marketcap - Regardless of which direction BTC moves, BTC dominance will reach over 70% in the next few years - Regardless of which direction BTC moves, the total Stablecoin marketcap will be greater than the total Alt marketcap in the next few years | | Feb. 2026 |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:|:------------:| | BTC | $1.284 Trillion | Stablecoins | $0.32 Trillion | Total Alt. Marketcap | $0.616 Trillion | Total Crypto | $2.22 Trillion | **BTC Dominance** | **67.58%** **BTC Dominance excludes stablecoins*

davie18

Well I mean for any cryptos to be a viable currency they first have to solve a problem that people face with the current way they pay for things using fiat. The thing is, most of the arguments people give as problems that don’t exist in that circumstance. I do agree that cryptos in general or more specifically BTC can be a good ‘store of value’ but they are still absolutely horrible as an actual means of payment for almost anyone and I can’t see why that would ever change.

Namerunaunyaroo

In my country we have a famous series of tv commercials for financial products. At the end there is a voiceover “Past performance is not indicative of future performance “. I agree BTC won’t go to zero but the reason is not because it became a trillion dollar asset 5 years ago. This statement alone points to the underlying issue with bitcoin.

Sparky14715

For now. BTC is losing market dominance daily…….

Tim-Rocket

Sure, can you please send me this address which owns 1M BTC? Because the genesis address sure as hell does not...

Serenaded

MSTR and BTC are institutional dino-stocks now. I think it's finally becoming ETH's turn. I care more about Tom Lee or Sharplink's purchases now.

p2s_79

Only BTC and ETH are viable. To much fragmentation is not not good for the industry and raises the chance of scams.

baIIern

Why would the founder of this all with millions of BTC use faucets lol

404PoptartNotFound

Do you believe BTC will eventually go to new ATHs? If so, what do you think will happen to MSTR when BTC is worth $200k+?

Dry-Stranger-5590

A lot of the BTC you could buy on exchanges was probably tainted at some point if you want to be really technical and even if it’s clean then it’s likely to be tainted eventually, so then what? If enough people were using BTC then there’s nothing you could do anymore even if you blacklist wallets that have touched tainted coins, and it will be impossible to even be able to tell which coin is which anymore after a certain amount of volume. It’s just not feasible.

FetterHahn

I sometimes think about a simpler option - what would happen if the price drops enough so mining becomes unprofitable for a long-ish period of time and large mining companies go offline or switch their capacity to more profitable AI workloads? Might slow down the network enough every 2 weeks so that trading comes more or less to a halt. Regularly, since BTC needs 2016 to adjust. Plus, it actually might leave BTC vulnerable to 50 percent attacks since the hardware still exists and could switch to BTC again to attack the chain. Or one of the enormous AI data centers is used for that purpose. Didn't happen yet, but if the price continues to fall (or doesn't rise enough to offset the lower block reward with higher prices) it could, no?

thebroned

The core thesis is actually pretty straightforward: these companies believe holding BTC on their balance sheet is a better long-term bet than holding cash that gets inflated away. Why BTC Treasury Companies?The leverage play. Companies like Strategy take it further by issuing debt and equity specifically to buy more BTC. When BTC goes up, the stock outperforms BTC itself because of the leverage effect. Investors buy MSTR as a leveraged BTC proxy. This works beautifully in a bull market but amplifies losses in a downturn — as we saw in the Feb crash where Strategy's mNAV dropped below 1x (stock worth less than the BTC it holds). The bear case: BTC is volatile. Holding it on a corporate balance sheet creates earnings unpredictability, makes financial reporting messy, and if the price drops significantly below your cost basis, it can tank your stock price and limit your ability to raise capital. Not every company can stomach a 30%+ drawdown on their treasury. The reality: Over 150 public companies now hold BTC in their treasuries. It's become a legit strategy, not just a Saylor meme. If you want to see who's holding what, their cost basis, and whether they're currently in profit or loss, CoinGecko tracks all of it in one place: [https://www.coingecko.com/en/treasuries](https://www.coingecko.com/en/treasuries)

Kitchen_Catch3183

Solution lol. There is no solution. I read you dribble but the funniest part is when you thought up gold. Compare someone who owns 99% of BTC with something who owns 99% of the world’s gold. One is the richest person in the history of the world and the other owns a worthless e-token.

anon_lurk

Sure but you can just go full nuclear if there is enough theft and start blacklisting any wallets that touch. Like if the economy was actually running off of BTC it would be easy to start fining businesses for accepting dirty payments or whatever. That's why it's risky. A large scale theft results in large scale devaluation through multiple avenues.

baIIern

Almost down $2M already lol. Overall, Strategy is down $8.5B on their BTC holdings.

praise_the_most_high

I‘m nearly a BTC maxi these days (75% of my portfolio) and my answer is yes. I do keep significant dry powder on the side if it slips another 10-20% from here.

PirateSKB

Shower Thought : What if Satoshi was "El Crypto, aka the father of crypto"? In said scenario, he made the 1 million btc genesis address to inspire trust, but he secretly had another wallet where he easily accumulated when BTC was sub 100 dollars and free from faucets and whatnot, and now he has his own private island in the south pacific? But even though he has his own private island, he keeps checking reddit and other social media about his creation, and he's like "hmmm...I wonder what those muggles like Saylor are doing now" while sipping tea and watching cute girls play volleyball Just a fun thought scenario 🤔

donjoe0

Some RWA platform enabling multiple RWA projects. Not sure if it's going to do well, but I got myself a small bag and I'm liking its reactions to BTC's collapse so far (but not as much as I like the stablecoin payment-rails stuff like STABLE tho - that mofo just painted a bull flag and looks like it's preparing to make a new YTD high just as BTC is ballerina dancing on the edge of its next cliff lol).

Dry-Stranger-5590

Wrong. This is not my comment but it describes it perfectly. “Suppose I have 2BCH (or BTC) in one UTXO, and you have 2BCH in one UTXO. Your coins are “dirty”, as you put it, while mine are not. Now you send me 2BCH, and I move all 4 of my BCH into a hardware wallet, consolidating the two UTXOs into one UTXO. I then send you 2BCH back. Which BCH do you have, dirty or clean, or one dirty and one clean? How do you know? You can trace how money moves around by reading the ledger, but it’s just a number. It’s fungible property removes the uniqueness of a coin.”

binary_quasar

Yeah, it's not like BTC is able to be updated or anything...and it's not like almost every QC expert is saying we are likely a decade away from QC being actually able to even have the required qubits to address any widely used cryptograpy? I remember in 2021 everybody was saying that it was the last cycle for bitcoin because by 2025 quantum was going to be widely available...it's such a stupidly uninformed take.

UpbeatFix7299

They're all greater fool scams. BTC just has first mover advantage

Prestigious_Mine_321

This distribution chart is a masterclass in cycle psychology. It’s fascinating to see how asset concentration shifts right before major macro resets. I’ve been running these BTC distribution numbers against the 1929 and 2000 wealth concentration metrics for my latest research, and the historical overlap is honestly spooky. We’re definitely seeing the 'Everything Bubble' dynamics play out in real-time here. Just shared the full raw data comparison and the 1929 charts on my sub for anyone who wants to see the macro side of this

Majestic-Tadpole8458

EMP attack or quantum computing may bring BTC to near zero however someone will always buy the dip.

southwestern_swamp

only underwater by about $12k per BTC. or 19%.

davidmthekidd

Last cycle they claimed BTC had pornography and other illicit data on the block chain and that caused a msssive drop . Every cycle there's a scare tactic to shame people off.

aaaanoon

BTC - "The only real project because it's popular"

msg-tinsha

Yeah, BTC is volatile AF, no argument there 😂 We’re definitely not treating it like a diaper fund — more like long-term HODL for the kids’ future freedom. Bought some early-ish, so we’re chilling on that front. Love that you’re already teaching your kids to invest though — that’s huge! They’re gonna thank you big time when they realize dad made them buy those few bucks of BTC lol. Appreciate the wisdom, man.

zuilli

If you want to send bitcoin between wallet just do it, sending and receiving btc is the basic functionality of any wallet program. If you're talking about turning your BTC into fiat and vice versa then you need a decentralized exchange like bisq.

Opposite_Cold8616

Congrats on the new family... but if you want stability, BTC probably isn't the right platform for you, unless you already bought in super cheap. I taught my kids to invest and they bought a few dollars worth of BTC from me, now they're learning the meaning of a risk-on asset lol.

CriticalCobraz

Makes sense to have a lower Doller-Cost-Average. MS also bought BTC for $40M recently

Shot-Structure-1274

MSTR is a company that buys BTC, that's not institutional investment, it's a single company that buys the asset. Do some institutions own MSTR? Yes, but the big financial institutions refuse to own crypto assets.

ThePugz

I’m buying their BTC. Thank them for me! A very large percentage of the recent drop was precipitated by morons maxing out their leverage on BTC to buy more BTC. (There’s a reason they tell you not to do that.) Once the market started correcting from its all time highs it massively corrected due to all of the over leveraging. This over leverage both artificially inflated the price too high on the way up but then led to over correcting downward due to all of the leveraged clowns losing both their own BTC PLUS all the BTC they bought on leverage when the margin calls got triggered.

laughncow

yes just like t he internet of the 90s on a few will make. BTC maybe ETH. all the rest will end up like [pets.com](http://pets.com) or something. You will only have one Google and Amazon. AI will use crypto. 99.9% of the coins will trend to zero.

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xaviemb

The real epiphany with Bitcoin is realizing it is not simply a place to store USD, but an alternative monetary system altogether. Most people begin by viewing it as a vehicle to park dollars and hopefully get more dollars later, only to gradually understand that its fixed supply and decentralized design make it structurally different from fiat. While the BTC price in USD can be chaotic in the short term due to sentiment and liquidity cycles, its long term thesis rests on monetary properties rather than short term exchange rate swings. Once that shift in perspective happens, pullbacks feel less threatening because a system built on credible scarcity and predictable issuance makes repeated all time highs over time feel structurally inevitable rather than speculative.

BlazingPalm

The “industry” should leave us. BTC will prevail, tho.

Financial_Vanilla_47

I know so what's your point I'm not arguing they are the same... I'm saying if most of the money flows is in MSTR compared to BTC that's very bad.

UC_DiscExchange

MSTR trade volume isn't equivalent to BTC trading volume

Financial_Vanilla_47

Yes professional analysis has historically given wide range of estimates from 10% to 40%... That's for Bitcoin LOST... 3% is just the supply that MSTR holds compared to ALL OF BTC in existence (including whatever is "lost")

kkjk00

What are you to say what BTC is? You are a no one, Satoshi himself said that in case of quantum we should hard fork and revert blocks, he didn't care for childish arguments, "I don't wanna move my coins". Do you realize how stupid you sound?

ferocious_swain

True no reason for BTC to exist at all anymore outside of some vaporware utility.

Rydog_78

You are wrong about Bitcoin on its most fundamental level. Bitcoin is fungible which means One Bitcoin is equivalent to and interchangeable with another, just like a dollar bill. While each coin's transaction history is traceable on the blockchain, they are designed to be equal in value and divisible. Bitcoin can be broken into smaller units called Satsohi’s. 100,00,000 Satoshi’s = 1 Bitcoin. Therefore there will only ever be 21 million BTC or 2,100,000,000,000,000 Satoshi’s ever in existence. 1 BTC in the US is equal 1 BTC in Japan. Truly a world’s first money. Bitcoin Ordinals (using the Taproot upgrade) allow individual satoshis to be "inscribed" with unique data, making those specific, rare units behave more like non-fungible tokens (NFTs). That is your only argument you really have about Bitcoin being used for arbitrary data. The delves into the Core vs Knots debate.

Party_Operation_9711

What store of value? It’s worth half of what it did in October 2025 and the person that owns the most of it says it could go down even further lmao. I own BTC but don’t be ridiculous

biba8163

Let me help with some financial literacy since you seem to be confused what real world financial products are and you show me how many of these products the "DeFi" meme narrative offers. **Real World Financial Products** - **Checking accounts** - for everyday daily activities for paying bills, debit cards, ATMs - **Savings accounts** - for storing money that is GUARANTEED by the government for up to $250K - **Certificates of Deposits** - GUARANTEED fixed interest. - **IRA** - Tax advantaged or 100% tax free (Roth) retirement accounts - **Brokerage accounts** - Access to investment products including stocks, bonds, REITS (Real Estate Investment Trusts) - **Personal Loans, Home Loans, Mortgages, Home Equity Loans, etc** - **Home Owners Insurance, Auto Insurance, Life Insurance, etc** - **Small Business Loans, Commercial Loans** **DEFI - Bullshit scam narrative from the Summer of 2020** - Essentially a Shitcoin Casino. Leveraged plays, trading shitcoin tokens, earning yield on shitcoin tokens by providing liquidity on shitcoin tokens which all drop 70%-99% when BTC goes into a bear market. NOT FINANCE in ANY WAY - Every player like, MakerDAO, AAVE, LINK etc, is COMPLETELY CENTRALIZED - There are NO real life financial products like life, home, health insurance, mortgages, home equity loans, car loans, personal loans without massive collateral, commercial loans, etc. Again, shitcoin trading, yield farming, etc. NOT FINANCE in ANY WAY - Then you slap some scamified metrics like TVL based on scam tokens locked up to make gullible fools believe real capital is locked up instead of vaporware scam tokens.

uamdarasulka

that's basically what the positioning data suggests whales are doing. rotating out of ETH into BTC. whether it plays out that way is the question.. but the money flow is pointing in that direction right now