BTC

a2ztimes

they are also quoting 3 million per BTC by 2049

NashDaypring1987

I am in a similar situation. I bought the dip.... it just kept on dipping more 😞 Luckily, BTC is a sizeable position but not my entire portfolio. I learned this new rule of buying BTC.... I only buy when the price is 50% than the latest all time high. So, I don't plan to buy again until $63k or less. Don't forget to take profits when new all time high's come again. No need to sell all. Just take little bits of profits when you have it.

Pyroll2206

The day you start something is also the best day to do it. Though dont forget about the actual economy macro-micro, where BTC stand as of now, what is your actual investment level, what are your goal, your budget

mdeevy

Hey guys, ive got a cold wallet that no one has the keys to. Feel free to send your BTC there, let's watch the world burn! Lol.

Salty-Ad6128

BTC to 100k

FromThePits

Bought in 2019 around $5000. Hodled through 3 drawdowns over 50%. Endurance paid of multiple times with valuation over $73,500 today. No worries. BTC is a long game

Fuzzy-Combination808

As a fellow 2021 holder, do NOT sleep on the tax implications of spending BTC directly. Every coffee you buy is technically a capital gains tax event. If you want the absolute easiest way without moving funds back to a CEX, look into **Self-Custody cards (like MetaMask Card / Gnosis Pay)** or **Crypto-backed credit cards (like Nexo)** where you borrow against your BTC instead of selling it. Just keep in mind that pure BTC mainnet spending isn't a thing due to gas/speed, so you’ll likely need to hold some stables (USDC) or wrapped assets on an L2/EVM chain to link with those cards. It’s still 10x better than the old 'convert-and-wait-3-days-for-withdrawal' nightmare.

Some_Tax2898

When I first bought, 1 BTC was worth $12,400. Later, it dropped to $3,800, and I bought whenever I had the chance. My average price probably reached somewhere between $7,500 and $8,000.

piggleii

Kraken is proud to announce Alex Mashinsky as head of BTC Vault Strategy & Management.

CodyEngel

He said nothing about using wrapped BTC he listed wrapping as one of the issues in a list of issues that are really just "this is how you convert from one protocol to another".

CodyEngel

You're complaining about Crypto as a whole. It's incredibly easy and quick to send BTC from one address to another. What's not easy is when BTC needs to first convert to ETH or SOL or another protocol first. I don't disagree with the pain point buts it's also not for BTC to solve either.

Roaring_lion_

I don’t think we’re actually that far apart. My point wasn’t “BTC perfect, everything else fake.” My point was that BTC has the cleanest decentralization argument: no issuer, no CEO, no foundation roadmap, no VC cap table, no stablecoin dependency, and very limited ability for insiders to change the rules. XMR is probably one of the better counterexamples because it actually has real utility: privacy. I’ll give you that. But privacy and decentralization are not the same thing. A project can be private and still depend on a smaller dev community, mining structure, liquidity chokepoints, exchange access, and regulatory pressure points. So XMR doesn’t really refute the argument. It proves the point: the list of projects that even deserve to be in the “actually decentralized” conversation is tiny.

brianmonarch

Yeah, keep the oldest coin that is the least green and has the least efficient tech out there. When utility matters, and I believe it will…. I bet you’ll change your tune. You sound like a bitcoin maximize that is stuck in an echo chamber. Don’t get me wrong. I don’t think BTC will die. It has a store of value now. But that’s all it has. It will never be used for its tech. Other coins 100% will (and are) be used that way.

benitoblanco888

future you will probably regret using BTC for everyday purchases for lost gains and tax implications. just use Coinbase or Gemini credit cards, collect the BTC each purchase, pay the balance monthly, and let the BTC (and dollar equivalent) grow over time. have you learned nothing in the past 5 years? the winning move is to stack and hold, and I have yet to see a legitimate and convincing counter-argument to that strategy.

panthera_N

Many people increase their investment capital by using margin leverage, pledging BTC as collateral, and borrowing additional BTC from CEX to increase profits when BTC prices rise. CEX borrows money from lenders and lends it to others at a higher interest rate, profiting from the difference.

joos_hubert

I would think of the card as the last step, not the product itself. The important part is what happens behind the swipe. Debit mode is usually simple: you are spending or converting assets, so the tax and price-execution side matters. Credit mode is basically borrowing against your crypto, so now the card choice is also a loan choice. Then I would care about LTV, liquidation rules, custody, whether collateral can be used elsewhere, repayment flexibility, and what happens if the account gets flagged or frozen. For occasional spending, I would keep it boring and test a small amount first: load, spend, repay or withdraw, then check the statements and tax records. If the card only feels good because it hides the borrowing mechanics, I would pass. Convenience is nice, but I would not let a cashback number decide where meaningful BTC sits as collateral.

joos_hubert

The useful part of borrowing against BTC is that it gives you another option besides sell or do nothing. The dangerous part is that it can make leverage feel like normal wallet UX. I would separate two use cases. Borrowing a small amount for liquidity, with a low LTV and a clear repay plan, is one thing. Borrowing because it feels like free optionality is a different trade. The second one quietly turns into a leveraged BTC position. For any BTC-backed loan I would compare custody, liquidation price, how fast you can add collateral, whether collateral can be rehypothecated, and what happens if withdrawals or banking rails get messy. Liquidium is one Bitcoin-backed lending option I would put in that comparison set, but the same questions matter everywhere. If the loan still looks sensible after you model a nasty drawdown and a boring sideways market, then it is probably a real liquidity tool instead of just a bull-market habit.

aaj094

Kraken has launched a 'BTC Vault' that provides upto 2.5% apr paid out in btc. Returns are supposedly from 'real btc lending activity'. My question is - Who really borrows bitcoin and for what purpose? When is there ever a need or rationale to borrow bitcoin other than for speculation / shorting?

Chirok9

I'm no expert. But this seems like the same rethoric from 2019 and prior. "Speculative Asset", "can't be used for goods and services", "it's a bubble". The energy argument I can get. We know mining uses a lot of energy. But compare that to the legacy global financial system. Printing fiat, transporting it, not to mention the computation and energy use of digital systems like banking transactions, etc. Bitcoin looks cheap on energy by comparison. Unless you specifically define the context of what your comparing to. Mining versus transactional/data processing alone then sure. But it's all vague. Bitcoin was also never intended as get rich quick solution. Very few people definitely did. But you can make the same argument of fiat. Adoption has been slow yes. But there are places where bitcoin is accepted as tender and can be exchanged for goods and services. South Africa is a good example of people and business beginning to accept bitcoin. You can buy your groceries with your BTC, or rent a surfboard. And it's no more speculative than a lot of other assets. Article reads like an old financial advisor who speculated on BTC ten years ago and lost a ton during volatility cycle and are butthurt about it. But that's just my two cents.

infernal_celery

“What do you mean, the revolution takes time?! I demand instantaneous results!” We didn’t even talk about fiat cash publicly before Bitcoin. Now people where I live are acutely aware (on a net aggregate, maybe not at the individual level) of “fiat” and “hard money”. Maybe we’re not wholesale adopting Bitcoin yet, but that’s not a failure. People are at least now exploring options and Bitcoin is becoming more socially acceptable to own. That’s pretty good as progress goes for tech. The internet was pretty old before it saw mainstream adoption and now most people around the world carry access to it in their pocket. Maybe the world will never switch entirely to BTC but I suspect that it will become an accessible option for most people over the next decade. We just need to see more integration into tangible goods and services, which we’re starting to do. Give it time.

panthera_N

Oh, this sub has fainted again. It needs a -10% or +10% candle on BTC to wake up.

Patient_Craft2195

Real talk for someone holding since 2021: every time you swipe a crypto card, you're selling Bitcoin and paying capital gains tax on it. That latte just cost you $5 plus tax on whatever your cost basis was in 2021. Multiply by every coffee for the next decade. The actual move for long-term holders is borrowing against BTC, not spending it. You keep the stack, get fiat liquidity, no taxable event. Cards are fine for stablecoin balances or short-term holdings, not for the bag you've been carrying for 5 years. If you still want a card: Gnosis Pay or Bleap (non-custodial, EU), [Crypto.com](http://Crypto.com) or Bybit (custodial, wider regions). But ask yourself why you're selling sats you accumulated specifically because you believed they'd be worth more.

GIGAbtcHodl

based on your mood, feels like BTC is recovering from $25k and now started climbing back 😃

Competitive-Data-703

It claims to work like ChatGPT with only BTC real time, live data integrated, no hallucinations. Can be a good research tool if it actually worked.

No_Toe710

BTC is the best collateral on earth. Borrow against it when the value is down to buy IBIT all cash. When BTC reverses - Withdraw cash against IBIT to pay off loan — increasing stack available for the next downturn.

Competitive-Data-703

Every time I try to ask it a simple question such as, "What’s the price of BTC?", it just gives me a generic message saying it can't answer this question. Is it just me? Or is everyone else facing the same thing? Hence, I’ve posted here to see if anyone has used it before and if it works. It's a good tool if it works as it claims.

procabiak

Mining isn't worth it even if your home electricity is free. A miner unit takes a year to ROI, by that time the hash rate would grow (although it has dropped down a little lately, the historical trend has always been up) and you'll be stuck trying to ROI for 2~3 years. May as well just buy BTC and hold for 3 years instead. The next halving is also in less than 2 years. Enjoy your surplus electricity. (I'm jealous T_T)

TheresNoSecondBest

Reading all the comments, it looks like you have a serious solar setup. Mining is a great way to accumulate freshly minted non-KYC'd coin. Please, don't mix these coins with your bitcoin from exchanges. Having a little treasure, nobody knows about might be handy in the future. For starters, I would buy something old and cheap like S9 (eBay, Craigslist). Not to earn a lot of coin but to learn how everything works. I would also use braiinsOS with it. It's open source firmware and gets more hash from many miners. Once you learn the basics, start looking for some solid miners. Sites like https://minerstat.com/coin/BTC are pretty helpful, but use multiple sites and take about 20% off of the results. Avoid mining shitcoins because in the end, you'll keep holding them while they'll be losing against bitcoin and exchanging them for BTC on a daily basis will cost you time and fees. Also, visit r/BitcoinMining and try to learn as much as possible. Don't trust anyone approaching you with a good deal, there are many scammers preying on noobs.

TeslaOwn

Stablecoin support is probably the biggest thing for everyday use. I wouldn’t want to spend BTC casually because of volatility and tax tracking. USDT or USDC spending makes way more sense for normal purchases.

Syrion1984

I've been buying BTC at a fixed rate of $50 per day regarding of its price since June 11 of last year. I've seen the highs of $120k+ and I've already reaped the rewards of the $60k too. My DCA is now below $90k and it's getting lower every single day.

mickalawl

When it became obvious that BTC makes for a terrible currency and cannot scale on a national or global level as a currency, the grifters changed the narrative away from Santoshis p2p digital cash vision. Its a store of value now. The only thing that matters is price appreciation. Which is why it is the most heavily marketed single "asset" in the world. It needs the bots and trolls and influencers and tech lobby groups and political donations to keep the game afloat and keep fresh inflows. BTC is a massive net negative sum - the cost of mining and processing is exorbadent in electricity and hardware burn out. It needs fresh inflows to keep it all going.

difvna-genesis

I learned that 8 years ago that buying BTC is better than mining. Mining is like being provider in any liquidity pool. You need to pump in more and more in order to maintain the profit but to a point that you continue adding the fund to keep yourself afloat. When bear market hit, all hell break loose! It’s a big boy’s game, period.

Friendly-Western-677

Problem is BTC is a house of cards. On paper hashpower is impressive, but as soon as China says they will take down the network, people get scared and pull their money out, then mining becomes unprofitable and hashpower drops dramatically. Suddenly a 51% attack is conceivable for a nation state actor.

North_Amphibian7779

Honestly bring on the liquidity events. Anything at this point would be better than what’s going on now which is nothing …. At this point the leg down to 60k or 50k or 40k would at least bring some action to BTC…. I don’t wanna see Michael Saylor anything for a while

-Resident-One-

Is this an alternative timeline where BTC doesn't exist? What?

Suspicious-Ear-6129

That is what i am currently doing, I am invested in FBTC atm. But looking at moving to a cold wallet and buying some real BTC

SpendHefty6066

One approach to minimize capital gains if you use Bitcoin regularly is to apply the HIFO accounting rule to Bitcoin spend: High In First Out. That is, you take your sats you paid the most for and use those first when making any purchases. This can actually provide losses to offset capital gains elsewhere, in many cases - especially if you DCA regularly during volatile price swings as we have over the past years. Take a look at Koinly to manage spend (note: I am not affiliated whatsoever with Koinly, nor do I use it personally, but it has come up in my research several times as a viable Bitcoin accounting tool and it does support HIFO). UTXO management here will be key. That is, you will spend the UTXOs with your highest cost first. Here is an example: |**Purchase**|**BTC**|**Cost Basis**| |:-|:-|:-| |Jan|0.01 BTC|$500| |Feb|0.01 BTC|$800| |Mar|0.01 BTC|$1,200| Let's say, for ease of accounting, Bitcoin is now worth $1,000 per 0.01 BTC and you spend 0.01 BTC. **FIFO** You spend the January coins first: * Proceeds: $1,000 * Basis: $500 * Gain: **+$500** **HIFO** You spend the March coins first: * Proceeds: $1,000 * Basis: $1,200 * Gain: **-$200** Hope that helps

Lixalottapus69

I want to know what the pizza guy did with the BTC

Wise-Instruction9535

The best thing he can do is sell his BTC an exit crypto right away. It is a lot like gold, in the 90s the price spimed, yes, but after that there was a long plateau. As we all know gold never recovered from that plateau and it never will. Sell and move on, their is nothing to see here.

Plunkerton_

You pay a 25% performance fee in order to have Kraken lend your BTC out on Morpho for you. They also impose a 5 day withdrawal time for... no apparent reason. So they took something extremely simple and easy to do yourself, then charged you a 25% fee to add custody risks and withdrawal delays. Brilliant.

BainTrain55

There is no point in longing BTC at this point. You could have been growing your money in the stock market this whole time and when BTC finally breaks out you would have more money to buy it.

17syllables

BTC has the electrical draw of a small nation. Energy markets have been thrown into chaos by Trump and Netanyahu’s war. There’s no upside that could possibly offset that.

SalamanderCoffee0975

You have some BTC ?

troythedefender

🤷🏻‍♂️. People don't want to think or read, it's a reflection of society as a whole. Mindless herd. The herd is currently selling everything they own to buy a handful of grossly inflated tech stocks that will take a massive dump on them soon enough. The Trump era pump and dump market manipulation shell game can only last so long. To each his own, I'm not selling all crypto, if they weren't idiots they'd already be diversified into S&P and crypto. The number of posts in crypto group telling people to flee crypto and buy stocks is humorous - they want to pump those tech stocks to the max before selling - meanwhile they will be loading up their BTC and ETH etc. I'm enjoying the show nevertheless.

Salty-Ad6128

BTC to 100k

Salty-Ad6128

BTC to 100k

devCheckingIn

No because BTC keeps pulling it down.

trincaooo

Honestly, if you already know the gambling cycle, that’s a good start Instead of going all-in on holding and hoping BTC pumps, you could use a smaller portion for structured crypto trading on Binance ... short-term scalping with controlled risk. That way your money stays liquid, you can withdraw anytime, and you’re not just blindly gambling on one move. I run a small trading group focused on that style if you’re interested.

Alfador8

If you bought BTC you're still up nearly 10x

BenzinaGrandeCapital

Sold 1 BTC and 10 ETH back when BTC was only 45k and ETH was 3k

Bluejumprabbit

DeFi with very low LTV is the least bad version of this. Keep it boring at like 10 to 20% LTV, because a fast 25% BTC flush can turn "I never have to sell" into getting sold for you.

theultimateusername

got really into leverage at the end of the last bullrun and was impatient, put around 2BTC, 15 ETH and around 100 BNB as collatoral for $100k trades at 10x. for some dumbass reason i shorted near the bottom (around 16k) expecting it to dip a couple of thousand dollars. of course it hit mid-15's and shot up from there and burned what would be around a quarter of a million dollars worth today. needless to say i dont leverage trade anymore 😃

unknowngloomth

You don't hold other assets other than BTC? Like S&P? Or some stock like Nvidia? S&p been hitting new ATHs..

BTCintermfasting

No, you don’t, it’s called buy, borrow, die. You never pay it back you borrow a certain amount and then you do curse of looping. I started doing this a few cycles ago and that led me to early retirement. Literally anyone can do it. I even convince a McDonald’s worker to do it. Who only had $400 extra per month back in 2020 she now has 240 K worth of BTC and she balls about 3000 a month which is lower than 25% LTV every month. She doesn’t bother during midterm years because I told her that that’s when you don’t borrow and she just transfers it to USDC so she can live off the yield.

BTCintermfasting

Alts will be dead in time. I understand degen gamblers will be upset but then the space will heal and focus on BTC and not these gambling coins for degens

ConsciousSkyy

It’s money because the market believes it’s money. Satoshi designed it as money. Why do you think governments, pension funds, companies, HNWIs, and millions of people around the world hodl BTC? Just for shits and giggles lol? ETH is not money, it’s a gas token that captures basically zero value 😂 You new here or something?

SeriousGains

As if IBIT should someone be outperforming BTC?

Salty-Ad6128

BTC to 100k

Salty-Ad6128

BTC to 100k

MinimalGravitas

The demand for blockspace is going to be a lot higher in the future. 4 months ago Larry Fink of Blackrock (the biggest asset manager in the world) was presenting at Davos to the WEF about his vision of bringing the entire financial system onto a single common blockchain. Since then Blackrock have filed for 2 more Ethereum based tokenization projects. UBS (the biggest private bank and wealth manager in the world) who were also there promoting a similar intention have also deployed multiple tokenization projects onto Ethereum, but more important than any specific one is that they are part of an international group of banks, regulators, and other financial institutions working under the banner of 'Project Guardian' to bring global finance onchain. In my opinion this project is one of the biggest 'hidden-in-plain-sight' pieces of 'alpha' that anyone in this space could be learning about at the moment. Unfortunately very few people can be bothered to do any research themselves and so will know nothing about it until an algorithm or influencer feeds it to them, by which point the opportunity to benefit will be gone... Other members of the group such as DBS (biggest bank in Singapore); Deutsche Bank (one of the biggest banks in Germany); and JPMorgan (3rd biggest asset manager in the world), have also deployed projects to Ethereum. Anyway, to make a long story short, real adoption is coming, and Ethereum is going to need the blockspace capacity that at the moment seems like an excess. Gas fees are low now because the network has futureproofed itself for the requirements that are coming. When expanding transaction volume start to approach the new upgraded limits we will again see the burn increase and the demand for ETH to pay for transactions increase again... however because the capacity and volume will both be so much higher than back in the first deflationary 'ultrasound' phase, the individual gas fee can be much lower to get to the same or greater overall total. So transaction costs won't be too high for users, while the burning of base fees can make ETH deflationary and so please holders... win-win for everyone. Ultimately, with 'STARKification', ZK provers and statelessness the chain's capacity can be increased almost arbitrarily highly without sacrificing the ability for a regular user to run a node and verify the network on low cost hardware. That is probably what will be required for the ultimate fulfillment of onboarding the majority of the global financial system to an open, permissionless, decentralized network. The more transactions there are the cheaper each one can be while maintaining the deflation of ETH. And obviously, we are talking about sophisticated financial entities, they will realize this too and so buy ETH based on the knowledge that it will have an increasing demand over time. And unlike BTC, the demand will not just be based on hope for an eternal sequence of 'greater fools', but on real need for the asset to pay for transactions. Hopefully that addresses your question sufficently. Don't you just get warm fuzzy feelings thinking about the world's economic institutions moving their assets onto a network that is at least in part secured by $200 DIY hardware running in random peoples' living rooms! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkrBARsNicI

Salty-Ad6128

BTC to 100k

__redruM

What’s the interest rate? This did make sense 6 years ago when rates were 2-3%, but they don’t really anymore unless BTC really grows. Finally you’re just putting of the capitol gains eventually you’ll need to sell.

Salty-Ad6128

BTC to 100k

Dr_Jecky1l

Change the future? Yes - it already has, and will continue to do so… Unfortunately, not in the way of idealistic “financial liberty” as was originally designed… The corporate entities have their fingers in it now, and by extension, it’s becoming just another tool for wall street and trad-fi to manipulate. BTC and a very *few* handful of outlier projects still have the driving ethos, utility and community to support them but all in all…

AbsorbedMango99

As explained above, there is no repayment timeframe. I can literally hold the loan for years. There is indeed interest, but if the BTC price goes up enough in the future, then this would also be accounted for. I've had BTC for a very long time, bought a lot of it when it was at 20k, so the loss would definitely be a lot more for me if I kept selling it You just need to keep an eye on your portfolio, keep your loyalty tier so that the rate doesn't change, and it's game

__redruM

Or if BTC drops and he get’s liquidated, he’ll owe taxes on the gains from the liquidation.

__redruM

> Now I'm wondering why I never looked into this earlier. The math on what I gave up over the years is gonna haunt me... I don’t think you understand how this works. You have to repay the loan and usually there 5-8% or more interest owed. If BTC was going up, while you held the loan, by more than that 5-8%, then maybe there’s be a benifit, but it’s been sideways for a while.

Epictricker2025

That's why I said "if BTC breaks WAY below 58k". Meaning if it goes to for example 30k or lower this year, which I don't necessarily expect to happen, but in that case I would at least expect a multi year correction.

Soggy_Stargazer

That's kind of my take on it as well. Learned a lot, with the appreciation of BTC over the last few years, am USD positive, BTC negative from the whole endeavor. But its all good.

blaziken8x

pretty sure if you buy BTC now it's easy 100% profit in a few years

AbsorbedMango99

I didn't take this out at a traditional bank. It was through a crypto platform I was already using (Nexo). The loan is collateralized by my BTC sitting in that platform. No traditional bank involved. I just sent the borrowed amount to my bank afterwards

MediumLibrarian7100

That’s exactly what makes your argument weak. 2024-2025 was not some random cherry picked bear market period. It was literally the post-halving expansion phase that historically produced the strongest and broadest alt seasons in crypto history. If the classic reflexive alt structure was still intact, THAT was the exact environment where it should have appeared. Instead what happened? BTC absorbed institutional flows. A handful of narratives pumped temporarily. Most alts continued bleeding against BTC. The vast majority never came close to prior cycle relative performance. You keep talking as if I’m ignoring the cycle when the entire point is that we just witnessed the first halving cycle operating under a fundamentally different liquidity regime. That is the evidence. Saying “just wait until regulation clarity” is not an argument. It’s basically faith that institutional capital will eventually start behaving like retail gamblers from 2021 despite all evidence currently showing the opposite. And again, you keep shrinking the definition from “broad alt season” down to “maybe the top 100 gets some residual flows.” That IS the breakdown of classic alt season.

cali_dave

Memecoins aren't indicative of the overall market. Generally speaking, the market follows BTC. Comparing one memecoin to the rest of the market is disingenuous.

Lefties_TheWorst7331

If supply continues to tighten up then a "short squeeze" will legit take it to some .. unimaginable prices. Look at what happened to GME before getting shut down by market makers. Look at SLV or silver last year, short squeezed and then bailed out. Copy paste from ChatGPT "The squeeze was “bailed out” in practice by moving physical silver into the stressed London market and tightening futures margin requirements." I think it would be much more challenging to pull these kind of stunts with BTC. So once the squeeze and supply tightening happens, it's possible for BTC to go absolutely wild. We shall see. I've got big money on BTC long.

12161986

Couldn't recall why this crypto seemed familiar. It was one of the cryptos Coinbase must've awarded for their Coinbase earn/educational thing. Anyway turns out I converted my 25 to BTC o June 2nd 2022.

cali_dave

The fuck are you talking about? BTC had a massive green candle on Election Day and we've been above that price since (with the exception of Feb-Apr, where we danced around it). BTC hit its ATH in October 2025, long after Trump took office. It's really easy to look at the charts and disprove false statements.

jsh63

At the time BTC was 400GBP… I didn’t feel much at all

PlutoPlaneta

So if 10000 people would just post "BTC sucks" it would count as 10000 mentions so bullish? LOL

yawars20

This is exactly why I’m skeptical when people treat “smart money vs retail” as a guaranteed signal. A lot of whale flow is positioning, hedging, ETF arbitrage, treasury management, or simply de-risking after a huge run. But the sentiment/funding combo does matter because crowded positioning creates fragile markets. What’s interesting is how fast these narrative shifts now get reflected in prediction markets. On leveraged prediction platforms I’ve been watching, traders were already pricing higher probability of a short-term BTC pullback before the ETF outflow headlines fully spread across CT. That’s the part I find fascinating: event traders are increasingly front-running sentiment reversals instead of reacting after price dumps. The danger is when everyone interprets the same on-chain data the same way. That’s basically reflexivity. Retail sees bullish sentiment and piles in. Whales see crowded longs and reduce exposure. Then leverage amplifies the move once momentum flips. I learned that the hard way trading leveraged prediction events earlier this year. A crowded narrative can stay irrational longer than expected, but once positioning unwinds, it unwinds violently. The people surviving long-term are usually the ones managing risk and sizing correctly, not the ones with the loudest conviction.

MinimumRight3911

Yeah i feel the same way. At Merehead we build payment tools and honestly half our job is just plugging crypto back into legacy banking rails because thats what regulators demand. The original vision got hijacked by convenience and compliance. i still use Nexo for loans against my BTC and avoid banks when i can but for most people the ETF and custodial route is easier than self custody. We didnt lose the plot we just got outnumbered by people who want crypto gains without crypto responsibility

Salty-Ad6128

BTC to 100k

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BTC to 100k

Charming-Designer944

BTC have nearly nothing of what you mention. You are looking at other crypto networks sucj as those based on Ethereum or Solana. Many of the other networks have wrapped tokens where some issuer have issued tokens they say is worth their value in BTcC, but those tokens are fiat tokens and not actual BTC.

Crypto_future_V

This next Bitcoin narrative is so overused at this point every alt gets that label eventually stay skeptical and stick to BTC

Crypto_future_V

Bitcoin cycles different from tech stocks right now AI hype is pumping QQQ hard while BTC consolidates but it always flips back stronger keep holding

PineappleParadiddle

I mine for a lot of reasons. But it has been the most educational step for me in truly understanding how Bitcoin actually works. Due to the fact that I’ve learned so much, I now run my own node and pool. I have two Gamma 601s lottery mining on my network. I did a lot of research about next steps up from the Bitaxe, and settled on 3 Avalon Nano 3s’s. I then did a research deep dive before finally settling on pointing those at the BRAIINS FPPS pool. That’s my “get a reward every day” strategy, and it keeps my brain happy. Will I ever strike it rich with this strategy? No. I’m losing money. But I’m gaining knowledge, and I’m in this for the long haul. I firmly believe that the money I’m losing now because of electricity will be nothing compared to the profit I’ll make if BTC goes to the moon. In the meantime, I’ll let my setup do its thing. I can’t afford to buy BTC on a daily basis, but I HAVE budgeted the electricity. So that’s how I stack on a daily basis. Shoutout to Bitaxe, Avalon, and ESPECIALLY the HashWatcher dev. This has been a rewarding journey and I’ll keep trying to learn more

Psychological_Duck

If all he has to do is create a bitcoin wallet and they’re going to send him some BTC that he owns he can do that using a bitcoin wallet of his choosing. If they direct him to use their own software or site or ask him for any funds of any kind to be sent, tell him not to.

SatoshiTrails

I would have come out with more BTC to if I would have DCA instead looking back. But I wouldnt be where I am now or possibly know near as much about things that I do now because of mining.

liquid_at

People keep wanting strangers to tell them when to buy and sell... Not once in my life have I spent money on anything where I was "promised" anything... I research stuff myself and then I act based on my own information. If anyone told you that summer of 2026 is supposed to be an alt season, they messed with you.. The traditionally worst possible season of the year and the first year after a BTC-High-Year... why would there be an alt season? Alt season was supposed to be in Early 2025, when an orange terrorist decided to bomb the global economy with tarrifs, threats of war on allies and the complete destruction of their own currency and economy..

phishow

Kraken closed my account without any explanation. Opened it in 2016. Never used it as I was mainly using Coinbase since 2013. I was only buying BTC. No trading. But then I was hearing horror stories about CB and decided to move over to Kraken. This was about a year ago. I didn’t remember my password and did a reset. Received an email back that may account had been permanently banned from them. I’d KYCd and everything in the beginning. Weird. F CEXs

MediumLibrarian7100

I agree with you mate the old simple BTC vs Alts split is outdated and we’re seeing more staggered sector rotation… the issue is still the changed liquidity plumbing. Even with these rotations new capital mostly enters institutionally (ETFs, custodians, corporate treasuries) and stays concentrated rather than freely cascading. That’s one of the main reasons why the multipliers are shrinking across the board and why we won’t see alt seasons again.

SatoshiTrails

Paid 12 BTC for a miner that mined 9 BTC. How did you handle feel about that experience?

liquid_at

I think the classic "BTC" vs. "Alts" classification isn't working anymore. We have seen a split with ETH pulling up earlier and various classes following, one after the other. But I am still unsure if it will be an extended cycle with more steps, like BTC->highCap->Currency->governance->... or if it will be more of a spagetti-mix, with random projects popping off, giving some sympathy gains to adjacent projects, without any real predictability to it... What we can say though is that the multiplier for bitcoin has done about minus 2/3rd of the previous cycle, This means it would be the last time Bitcoin would go up over 100% in a single run, with the one following already being \~70%. This must affect alts also.

Soggy_Stargazer

I ran all the calculators, did all the math, then bought a couple of S9's back in 2018 to test. I mined exactly what I projected to mine before difficulty and the inevitable march of technology made everything obsolete. My takeaway? it will never be as good as it was in 2010 when I could solve a block with a core 2 quad CPU. The real lesson: If I had just kept the 2 BTC I spent on mining equipment and DCA'd the roughly $400 a month in electricity into BTC directly, I'd have more BTC than I do now instead of "breaking even" and mining back the BTC I spent on the miners. It was mostly a proof of concept to validate the mining calculators. I did at one point run all the math on what it would take to stand up a mine large enough to solomine at least one block a day. Turns out it wasn't a lot, but it wasn't nothing either (somewhere around 1-2M in capital). I even put together a business case and an investor prospectus but never pulled the trigger.

No_Knee3385

ETH and BTC are really some of the only chains that are decentralized, and even they are controlled by a few dozen companies

MediumLibrarian7100

once upon a time there was still real hope that the broader ecosystem could work, and for a few cycles it did for those that were early if you’re buying alts today you are just exit liquidity you have finally been proven correct after 17 years of being obliterated for being a BTC maxi

zmagickz

feeling so much fomo watching semis and space stocks I had have a mind to trade half my BTC for RKLB would have been such a good play, i just felt more conviction in BTC. feeling really demotivated today.

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