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Radiant_Selection-

Remember when eth was going to flip BTC? … remember when it was going to 10k?

Low_Badger_9430

My uncle thinks the BTC 4 yr cycle has flipped. 3yrs down, 1 up... hello 2028 😊

Pretty-Badger-7852

I think people are realizing that BTC was put together by some of the most evil people on the planet and that could very well be the reason it and the entire market is tanking?

TheMaharishiEffect

I'm long term holding. I do understand BTC but got freaked out when someone explained to me the diminishing returns theory an how we won't even see $200k BTC next cycle

Beneficial_Major9999

The clock is ticking on Saylor and his 1 $billion dollar debt payment due end of 2027…. if btc is 40k at that point, BTC in trouble because no one will refinance his debt that’s MASSIVELY underwater and more than likely he will be dumping BTC

whimsical-crack-rock

it’s ⁠0.00000461 BTC

ChrisConquest

I'm too smart to fall for that, I think it may only be 30 cents still not too sure, at least this is what chatgpt said: "It looks like you’re viewing your balance on **Kraken**. Here’s what those numbers mean: * **$0.3048** → The current USD value of your crypto * **0.00000461 BTC** → The actual amount of Bitcoin you own * **$0.3048 Available** → The amount you can currently trade or withdraw (none is locked) So basically, you have **0.00000461 BTC**, worth about **30 cents USD**, and all of it is available to use.

Specific_Essay6041

Just my personal feeling of it being manipulated more and more by big corporations and government. Seems very risky but that risk could make you significant gains or losses, but for real I am not a die hard or have done extensive studies on BTC like others that know way more than me. I’ve listened to the Bitcoin Standard but for me it’s not worth it to invest a lot of my money. I’m getting to old and closer to retirement (10 yrs) to be gambling. If I had millions laying around, why not… It’s easy to get convinced it’s the perfect hard and sound money by the pundits but I’m not sure

asherlevi

Because people don’t want to wait 3 years to profit. Your money can be growing elsewhere while BTC goes nowhere for years.

SM-

That means BTC will go to around 30k ish, which is doubtful

Illustrious_Cat1339

You financed your car before you remembered these bitcoins. Obviously you arent in dire need of them. Selling them RIGHT NOW is a terrible idea when BTC will very likely shoot back up to 80k-90k soon.

Sharkhous

You forgot to include the image of the guys who forgot where their hard drives are or what their password is. I bought 50BTC from a welsh man back in 2011 because I liked cryptography and the idea but had neither the mathematical skill nor the computing power to get my own. The growth of those BTC is over 66,000% but they're now just background radiation

burnaboj

whatever you do.. don‘t listen to the people in your DM‘s offering their „help“. if you have your current bank information linked to your kraken account, you can simply sell your BTC and withdraw your money

Numerous_Ruin_4947

ETH has been in the red for 12 out of the last 15 months! And 17 out of the last 23. ETH has been in a bear market for much longer than BTC. It had a cursed third cycle - similar to what XRP experienced when the SEC sued. Bitcoin has been fairly sheltered. Now it is being tested by gold and silver, and there's the looming quantum threat. Along with the shrinking security budget. Meanwhile ETH's staked supply has increased to almost 37 million ETH. So it's security budget improved, even as the price declined.

defeater33

ETH or BTC. Buy now while at lows. Use monthly candle stick chart.

defeater33

Buy the dip on the monthly candle chart. Only buy ETH or BTC. Be very careful about picking bottom for any other alts, and only put small amounts in them.

MikaelAbou

You dont expect BTC to go up more than 10% a year?

Quirky-Reveal-1669

Thanks for your valuable input! Yes, I agree, Liquid-BTC is an interesting option. To answer your last question: exchanges will do whatever their EU Overlords demand from them (and more) to keep their license to operate.

Icy_Cryptographer417

Whole coiner here. Might have to sell 0.1 BTC to pay bills. Only if I have to.

ilouiei

I have almost 2 BTC at 103k entry price, I’m still chilling.

Kurosaki56843

If (and this is a big if) the monthly payment is truly manageable even in a worst-case scenario, then taking a loan in the $30K-$40K range is a smart move. Imho using depreciating fiat to acquire a scarce asset is how good investment decisions are made. If you can comfortably service the installments regardless of price action, you are effectively converting fixed, eroding currency into an asset with long-term upside potential. Plus you are not taking a loan to fund a vacation, a car you cannot afford, or to pretend you have money just so you can post about it on social media. You are investing with the explicit goal of generating a return. Businesses borrow to invest all the time. The key difference between smart leverage and stupidity is cash flow discipline and risk awareness. And if you want to optimize further, you can keep that BTC productive instead of idle. Platforms like Nexo allow you to earn on your BTC in BTC, which can help offset part of the loan cost while you hold for the next cycle highs. It is not for everyone, but strategic leverage at deep cycle discounts (when structured responsibly) is historically where gains are made.

Numerous_Ruin_4947

Why do you have to *do* something with ETH? Why can’t you just hold it like gold, silver, or Bitcoin because you believe it will be worth more in the future? People forget that the dollar constantly loses value. ETH traded for under $1 ten years ago. Obviously, it has gained enormously relative to the dollar - so why would that suddenly stop? Ethereum still has strong fundamentals. Posts like yours highlight why ETH has lagged BTC. People keep asking, “What are you going to *use* it for?” as if an asset must have day-to-day utility before it’s allowed to be a store of value.

trelayner

The BTC on-chain fee is currently 0.05 USD do you actually worry about spending five cents too much?

Dry-Doctor-2756

The problem isn’t the volatility folks. That’s normal. The problem is nobody seems to at least entertain the possibility that BTC might never make big moves like it did in the past ever again. So even if it does go to $1mil if it takes 2000 years that’s not good. And you can’t always use the argument “but it went up a gazillion times and fast” Yes it was a historical run and a once in a millennia opportunity in the past 15years. But people or some people care about it right now and from this moment on. Some people got in later and they do expect some up % otherwise they are better off investing in something else. It’s crazy to me how much the past is used to justify present conditions. “Oh but it went up 10488484% until X years ago” Well have you noticed how the big boys piled in? That changed everything. The only thing that didn’t change is the “$1mil will come soon” attitude. Maybe institutions want BTC at 5K and go slowly from there adjusting it like the stock market. Oh yes, you should look at BTC vs stock market to see how closely related they are now. That’s no coincidence. Anyway. Rant over.

Redditfortheloss

Last two bear markets were actually different, though. Way more interest in BTC products (both short and long) exposure by ETFs, and also treasury companies acquiring.  I think everyone is waiting for sub 50k but imo, it doesn’t get there unless it’s a trap (which this current move is looking more like).  Still holding some miner puts, just in case it does fall, though. 

CryptoCircle_

All these questions lead to a much more complex discussion, I think the best thing would be to personally inquire about which wallet suits you better, whether it is Revolut or Binance (the most popular), and the same discussion about the investments you want to make. Many have very divided opinions, the safest is BTC, but if you are also interested in others that have a much higher chance of making 10x or 100x, it would be better to do your own research, not just listen to 2 or 3 opinions.

Best_Friendship_6550

Hahahahaha. It will definitely go that low. Check previous BTC bear seasons. The only doubt i have is the $40K but for $50K i’m 99% sure 👍

YourScienceGuy

That would be beautiful. I would love to see $16k BTC again.

Whitey_29

Kim Jon un’s father is satoshi. Kim holds the most BTC, he also worked with do kwon on terra and im also full of shit

BodybuilderWorried30

What concerns me is that there is a minimum BTC price relative to energy prices that is needed for Miners be in profitable. With big mining operators with cheap energy access that is around 40k, others 50k. Bellow that they cannot sell BTC at a profit. And when all big miners go bankrupt, i fear a price collapse would be inevitable.

HugeLarry

If you trust yourself 100% and want full control with all the responsibility that entails, then go for full self custody. However that’s not the only reasonable or “real” option for all people. It’s true that the risk of self-custody user error is higher than third-party custodial risk for some people. If those people want BTC exposure as an investment, and if they trust their financial institutions, then why shouldn’t they own BTC through an ETF or through their financial institutions keeping custody on their behalf? It’s worth mentioning that exchanges aren’t the only custodians available. For example, Fidelity can now custody BTC, and although there’s risk with any custodian, I think it’s silly to claim that Fidelity is just as risky as any random crypto exchange. A lot of the people who want BTC exposure and don’t want to deal with self custody probably already have a bunch of assets with companies like Fidelity, so it’s a natural step for them. My view is that self custody, third-party custody, and the ETFs are not mutually exclusive, and that the ideal distribution across those depends on each person’s specific circumstances. Splitting BTC across those methods can be advantageous because it removes any single point of failure. If you screw up and lose your keys, at least you still have some BTC in ETFs or third-party custody. Similarly, if your custodian tanks or your government tries to seize assets, you still have your self-custody BTC. Another important consideration is that the ETFs have big tax advantages when held in retirement accounts. Logically, I agree with “Not your keys, not your coins”, but of course “Lose your keys, not your coins” is also true. Taking a broad view, our whole society is still based on trust. Trust between people. Trust between entities, etc. I’m a big fan of how BTC can be used in a totally trustless way, but I also think it’s reasonable to say that some people might want to trust other people / companies to take care of BTC on their behalf. Yes, they are taking a risk, but we’re all taking different risks all the time, and we all have to decide which ones we can live with. \--- Note: This response is largely copy/paste from another thread I commented on which ended up getting removed. Now I've found a new home for it!

BeachedinToronto

That was quite a rant. Not a lot of it makes sense. What if you already own the television? It is an investment. People care about what the price does. If you already own a lot of the investment and you are not buying more (diversification) then you are not excited for cheaper prices/dips as you maybe don't want another buying opportunity. Not everyone wants to keep stacking sats with everything they have. Wall Street and soon most banks will be all in on Stablecoins. Bitcoin will never be permitted to be anything but a store of value now. The lack of volatility in Stable coins exploits one of Bitcoins many weaknesses. Who wants to pay with bitcoin when it can lose 50% of its value in 4 months? Soon stablecoins/tokenization will be the next big thing fueling more gambling/more stock speculation and far less people will move into or consider Bitcoin. I was excited about ETF adoption and Treasuries but I am now beginning to think that the whole BTC adoption is slowing dramatically.

LetterheadLimp

The thesis has massively changed. It’s contextually linked to tech sector and what AI has done to the tech sector. AI is fantastic. Also it’s carved up how people look at the tech sector. Buzz words don’t work anymore. Saying we are a buzz word AI buzzword isn’t going to keep a company going anymore. A lot of AI companies also failed hard-core and were totally not profitable. So that kind of killed the love of buzzwords. Unfortunately, things like black chain and digital assets fall under those buzzwords. So all I’m saying is now BTC has to stand it by itself. The only thing going for it now is digital asset management in the financial sector. Of course they can always cash those bitcoins out to save themselves and go back to cash. They are all feeling the same pressure however it’s millions of times worse for them. So the thesis has changed. Unfortunately, curtains were pulled around the other moving parts of BTC and then investors sold a thesis that isn’t telling the whole story.

mystcalone624

So I have been in crypto since 2012 and for the last 14 years I have seen these three or four year cycles. They have all been the same in this regard, people panic selling on the crash and people texting me to ask me if they should buy on the bull run. Both are terrible ideas, when people are saying crypto is dead and everything is going to zero you should load up. When we are in a bull run you are too late unless you plan to sell within that cycle. People were asking me if BTC was a good investment at $200, 2000, 20k, 50k, 100k etc.. it is and always will be. If you look at its performance against traditional assets it obliterated these other assets even with these insane swings. So if you believe that 60k is a bad buy, sell it and I will buy yours. It makes no difference if we are at the bottom or not because we know it was up near 120k so worst case I will double my money but in reality probably triple or more. Also to your last point in my opinion and this is me guessing, the long cycles are going to be shortened significantly. The reason is because EFT and institutions hold so much crypto that these cycles are going to be much shorter. I also believe this is an artificial dump to make people panic because you aren't seeing these same instructions dumping coins and these companies have asset managers. That's not to say it can't happen, just that it hasn't happened.

Best_Friendship_6550

Nope. I only deposit USDT when the order is close to the next target. Example i have only $2000 in the exchange account waiting to hit the $60K target. If it hit then i withdraw the BTC and deposit another $2000 for the $52K target.

Technical-Land3714

You can only "keep your BTC" when you have keys, if not, you're dealing the problem Bitcoin solved.

PassengerRecent7002

Exactly. "Not your keys, not your coins" isn't just about security; it’s about market mechanics. When you move BTC to cold storage, you’re literally removing the collateral that exchanges use to facilitate massive paper leverage. A supply shock on exchanges is the only thing that breaks the back of synthetic short sellers. If everyone went self-custody tomorrow, the derivative market would face a massive liquidity crunch and a violent short squeeze. Keep draining the exchanges.

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FunWithSkooma

peg in to liquid network by swaping it to LTBC peg out to BTC back on a different address ??? Bitcoin cleaned. Will the exchanges blacklist the entirety of Blockstream wallet when people start to do it?

VibeLearning

Oh it sure can be controlled - that BTC will never be able to hit a centralized exchange and exchanges into any fiat as it will be blacklisted.

dj_destroyer

It doesn't take a ton of capital to get back to 60 cents. I've never touched Doge but memes can have a resurgence in popularity at any time. Especially if that surge coincides with a BTC bull run.

thd3ct

Average BTC investor

Virtualization_Freak

The bills don't stop coming just because BTC dips.

Kempatsu

Yep, just stacking in the meantime. Stocks + Gold + BTC for most. Not much of a gold guy so im mostly Stocks + BTC.

Key_Beginning9819

Are you planning to hold the quarter BTC long-term or trade it?

Downtown_Drink1241

Man, you have to buy when prices are low, like today and last week, and wait. Nobody's promising you'll get rich, but it can boost your income a bit. I've also bought a lot; some shares are in the black, others in the red, but I'm waiting. The money isn't lost yet. Did you see BTC last December? It was worth €110,000, and now it's around €55,000. I invested €5,500 in BTC, then sold at €100,000 and made almost €20,000 in profit. You have to be patient and invest time, set alerts, and monitor the market 24/7.

sgomezfeet

I close on my house sale on 3/13 I will be spending the entire net profit on BTC - six figures

na3than

>2009: 1 BTC = 1 USD. Nope. Strike one. > 2026: 1 BTC = .000015 USD Nope. Strike two. Are you even trying?

BubeBGD

Your math is wrong. 1 USD = 0.000015 BTC

Blockchainauditor

On this subreddit, you will be encouraged to move the BTC to a non-custodial wallet and HODL. If you need to give them 1 penny to move the $4k of BTC to your own wallet, it is a scam.

bailaowai

1 is the reason it will fail eventually 4 requires an army, which BTC doesn’t have (see #1, above) Good luck!

Bongressman

No crystal ball needed. This has happen right on times, every mid-term year, for nearly 20 years. Always on time. ATH is always in Q4 in post halving year. In this case 2025. The following year... 2026, mid-term election year, is a bear year. Bitcoin always drops 50% in Q1, hits the 200 week moving average (which is near 58k right now), then bottoms between summer and October. 2027, we begin the recovery. Rinse, repeat. Same thing. Over a decade and a half. Oh, look, BTC peaked in Q4 2025, and went down 50% in Q1, mid-term year. Huh, how bout that.

PrettyPleaseYo

I do a sort of dollar cost average strategy buying the dips now that we’re under 70k for BTC, I always try to keep a bit of cash on the side, in case the dip of the dipity-dip-dip show up

Think_Attention3014

it will surpass 100k like it's nothing, you guys can't stop underestimating the BTC even it reached 126k.

na3than

Will the dollar depreciate to the point where it can buy only 0.0000125 BTC? It's only a question of time.

Fun_Barracuda_1421

What do you want us to tell you? Pay me some BTC and I will tell you what you want to hear. In all seriousness, just hold assuming you have a secure place to store it. Don't get scammed.

rajath_pai

Can someone suggest the best and safest way to transfer my BTC to a wallet? And how to store the key/password. I am new to this space.

Kempatsu

once the 4 year cycle is validated again, BTC will start its climb back. It'll be back over $100K in 2027 (or sooner)

cfp-throw

There is no removing fees really. You're just adding on a ton of spread. For low dollar amounts it won't effect you much. If you tried to trade $100k with those (no fees) it would be around $1,000 in spread. Currently BTC is $65,700 if you buy it with no fees you buy it at $63,300 The whole site is a racket for those that do not have other options. But again, at your purchase level it sounds like the fees would be negligible regardless. For those with more funds you're better off using Coinbase Advanced but the fees are still ridiculous. Onchain DEX like Hyperliquid is better in fees and something like Lighter is even better.

Adept-Knowledge3710

The kidnappers are tech illiterate. They think BTC is magic untraceable money because they’re stuck in 2013. It’s a public ledger guys. Cashing that out is going to be impossible without flagging every major exchange on the planet

windwizard0

Wasn't there some German Reddit post somewhere about how Bitcoin is on its way to 35k? Germany is the wealthiest country in Europe btw and their economic forums are much higher quality because of the lack of Americans who just post whatever they want. I believe the post is called "Wann BTC 35k?"

stefansilva_xrp

I also think that $0.8 will be the bottom. The Binance Oct 10 wick is also at $0.8. From a TA perspective do you think you can explain this. 14th November 2024 XRP was under normal price action to $0.8 then it began its surge. Most Altcoins topped in January where XRP hit $3.30 but XRP rallied a bit more into July but others did not. But during the Oct 10 crash XRP went all the way to $0.8 since then it hasnt hit its Oct 10 wick meanwhile other cryptos have. My question is do you think the whole run up for XRP was manipulative? and do you think because of the binance wick that is the bottom ? Also do you think XRP will ever go above $4? I personally think if XRP bottoms at 0.8, ETH at 1k and BTC at 45k. Neither ETH or XRP will break ATH

cratos333

Literally bought my first BTC with them in 2013. Everyone loves to shit on Coinbase but I have never had a single issue with them in 13 years. I'm sure someone will called me a paid shill but it's true. That being said, I've seen a lot of complaints with them over the years so I can't speak to their overall reliability.

fan_of_hakiksexydays

It's because it's a preferred method of transfer that can't be rugged or rescinded after the matter. Pretty much any other payment that's remotely practical and digital will have some kind of way where payments can be rescinded, and where you might think you got paid but then the payment gets reverted back. It's not like BTC caused the kidnapping. Kidnappers were always gonna ask for money in one form or another. They just picked the one where they were sure they were gonna get paid.

Jet_667

Ask yourself WHY do you use that government currency to buy BTC and WHY do you sell BTC back to government currency.

Adorable_Negr0_924

Well, whoever it is, he doesn't give a fuck about BTC anymore, so why do you?

watch-nerd

Yes, even leaving aside founders, etc, even BTC is negative sum as the miners take a rake.

Elendron

Ponder this y'all.. The last meaningful alt season (spring 2021), BTC was around its current price (a little bit below, actually). Same is true for the mini alt season end of 2024. Just an interesting observation to point out.

RefrigeratorOwn1224

I'm buying ETF shares. I expect BTC to hit $50,000.

Romanizer

I see everyone waiting for 30,40k. Those are not invested, so can not sell. Most traders on here have only very small portfolios not able to move the needle. At some point, retail is running out of BTC to sell to corporations.

Scodo

Sentiment on the sub is way too positive for everyone to have sold in panic. Needs way more posts like "BTC has dropped to XX, I'm cutting my losses and getting out of the game" I've only seen one or two so far.

JOliverScott

Precisely which is why if a CBDC comes into existence it would ultimately force a sunset of BTC in favor of the one the government can control.

chiron55

You’re right about most memecoins. 99% of this market is PvP gambling and “community” is just a nicer word for exit liquidity. However, SPX6900 is trying to build something genuinely different, and is attracting some of the brightest minds across various disciplines for good reason. One cultural piece is that it's a **PvE (Player vs. Environment)** movement. The "environment" we are uniting against is the traditional financial system (TradFi) that many feel has f\*\*\*\*d us. The "cheeriness" on display isn't *just* hopium; it's very much culture, too. For example the philosophy of **"Stop Trading and Believe in Something"**. By actively discouraging price talk and chart-posting, the community focuses on building genuine connection, stunning art, videos, essays, podcasts, books, endless articles, music, comics, academic papers (soon), documentaries (soon) and a shared mission to **"flip the stock market"**. People are so passionate about the culture/mission they're literally taking to the streets to evangelise it. We have conferences popping up globally. Be honest now, can you name another brand, let alone a crypto, that has this going for it? The only thing that comes close is Bitcoin. And there are A LOT of philosophically-minded (now ex) BTC maxis in the community, because SPX is fair launch, no VC or insider allocation, and has a more 2013-style cypherpunk energy than most of crypto now. You're right that it's about money *as well.* SPX was the only asset to **outperform BTC 2-3 years in a row.** On-chain metrics show **70% of supply is held by diamond hands** who haven’t sold in 90 days (it’s #1 for this btw). And you know what happens when supply is squeezed like this and money starts pouring back in? It's also one of the **most evenly distributed projects** (check Bubblemaps). And it's the only "meme" I can think of with a 1000x potential (not guaranteed - nothing is) *that has staying power,* **because the culture mandates it with a binary price action**: "have we flipped the stock market yet?". If not, continue. Whether SPX actually does that is arguably besides the point - it's a motivational rallying cry that’s sticky. But there are many of us who actually do want to "**persist forever"** until the job is done. You have to understand that this is sincerely personal to a lot of us. We're *genuinely* fed up. Thankfully, we have a lot of brilliant minds in the community that won't just moan - **they're actually capable enough to do something about it**. The way I frame it is this: how big is the market for all the frustration people feel towards corrupt, rigged, and failing systems? Quite large, right? *That's the market size for SPX.* It’s a radical experiment in **"Consensus Actualisation" -** the idea that if a group coordinates its belief hard enough, it can manifest real value without the toxicity of typical crypto casinos. It all might sound absurd from the outside. The same happened with Bitcoin. Same with any disruptive innovation people don’t understand at first because they didn’t DYOR.  So call it all hopium if you want, but it’s simply not accurate to pretend SPX is identical to every generic meme pump group. For many holders the community *is* the utility, and the culture is what makes it so resilient (again, genuinely cheery over there - go see for yourself). And if you want to DYOR: [cognisphe.re](http://cognisphe.re) or check the Reddit. x

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cowboy_shaman

BTC pairs remove a ton of noise. You can also use them for certain trading tactics. If you want to stack sats, it’s possible to profit in Bitcoin while realizing a loss in USD

oki_sauce

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ComaKaho

Lol no. We are all waiting BTC to 0

Tricky_Set_1702

Governments can’t and will never fully adopt BTC since they wouldn’t be able to print more of it.

Blueberry_Dependent

I need some motivation to sell my parents home to buy more BTC.

Ok-Topic1139

You “understand the thesis”. And yet you are long instead of shorting. Its mindblowing how many ate clueless about how halving cycles works . The bull market ended in October. You wont ser another bull market until late 28, about 6 months after the halving. We are heading towards 50, possibly even significantly below that. Hoodling is a crap strategy. Its dead and bleeding money for majority of the time in the BTC cycle. Ive been troght 3 cycles now. Every 4 tear’s people yall (this cycle is different , we are going 200k) Yet the cycle always play out almost like clockwork. I exited between 123 and 104k. But previous two I held through the 90drops like a idiot,

East-Cricket6421

The 4 year cycle is a result of the inflation and distribution model of the market leader (BTC) having an entirely reliable, set in stone 4 year cycle, dingbat.

jeremiahcp

If you don't want to put money into BTC, because you view as a Ponzi scheme, I don't care it is your money. Do what you want.

Sage_of_spice

Heh, never left. Free fries during my shift, and sleeping behind the kitchen exhaust at night. Near zero living expenses - all profit. 100% of everything into BTC. Watch out, kid. One day the tables will turn and you'll be selling me a burger.

Merchant1010

Buying BTC is good, but being in debt to buy anything... I am always against it. Maybe increase income or save more to buy more BTC is good tbh. Debt will just ruin a person's mindset.

watch-nerd

ETH 27 FEB 26 entry 2113.50. TP: 1236.50 / SL: 2613 BTC 27 FEB 26 entry 67795. Haven't set up TP/SL yet.

Urc0mp

The BTC is over 50,000. That's what we should really be talking about.

fan_of_hakiksexydays

$65K is holding up surprisingly well all things considered. I'm really surprised BTC is drilling right through $50K when stocks are drilling hard right now.

AstroRoverToday

You can't lose what you don't have. If you only invest in an ETF you aren't actually buying bitcoin. Your title suggests you want to own BTC. If that's what you want, then buy bitcoin. Once you own it, and you're careful with how you store it, you won't lose it.

rdhb

That framing isn’t really accurate. Yes, derivatives volume is often larger than spot volume. And yes, leverage can amplify moves in both directions. But derivatives markets don’t operate independently of spot. They’re tightly arbitraged, if futures push price too far away from spot, traders step in to close the gap. Bitcoin futures are generally cash-settled. Shorts generally don’t need to borrow physical BTC to settle positions. So lower exchange balances don’t create “short squeeze” the way borrow constraints can in equities.

kkrat0s

There’s never been a better time to buy! Free BTC tomorrow! 😎

dweeegs

I know it’s been beaten to death about how BTC and IGV are trading completely in synch, but it’s fascinating to see IGV getting decimated

Party_Operation_9711

Riiiiight, BTC has so such a utility case….

Desperate_Jacket_876

you are getting there, what you witnessed in silver and possibly gold was a blowoff top. Those are usually end of cycle moves. Think QQQ in 2000, BTC in 2017/18, Silver in 2011, and there is a million others. Buying assets after they blowoff is generally a losing proposition. Look I am not trying to fight you, I have just been around a long time and seen it all.

LTP-N

I think I'm not making it obvious, or you're missing the point, my bad. You pivoted from inflation to 'survivability' and 'benchmarks', but you still have not answered the mechanical question. Also, price action against BTC is hardly a metric for a project's long term survivability. Your logic fails because you assume people care about 'beating' Bitcoin. They likely do not. The majority only care about the absolute fiat value in their bank account. Mathematically, if I buy an alt with fiat and sell for a fiat profit, the BTC price action during that time is irrelevant to my realized gains, is it not? A trade can be technically 'bad' on the BTC pair but still profitable in fiat. If the goal is purely to increase fiat wealth, which for most here it is, the BTC pair is functionally irrelevant to the bottom line. Absolute fiat return is the only metric that matters.

verysillyman

Crypto greed and fear hit a new all time low, even lower than 2022 and BTC at $16k…

LTP-N

Most people treat alts as a vehicle to increase their fiat stack, not their Bitcoin holdings. Nobody is cashing out these alts into Bitcoin, they are going to off-ramp directly to their local currency. So why is the BTC pair relevant? Since everyone is going to be selling directly to their local currency, why does the performance against the BTC pair matter?

synthwave_man

When ETH goes back to 2800-3000, nobody will have seen it comin'. Everybody will be sidelined by then, still waiting for 50k BTC, 1400 ETH.

watch-nerd

BTC and ETH put in new 24 hr lows. Laughing all the way to the bank as I'm 40% short futures. Why don't you ding dongs short, too?

LTP-N

Why do peopel care about the BTC pair when we're all going to cash out in our local currency?

Belnak

It’s not like BTC is screaming right now.