BTC

King-esckay

Since you are asking opinions i shall give you mine BTC price is low, i would borrow against it Because if it goes up you use less to payback the loan If it goes down you sell the BTC you were going to sell anyway When I borrow i use nexo because there is no repayment schedule I work out how much the interst charge is and buy that amount of BTC each month Last time I did this I paid back the entire loan for the cost of interest alone. The down side is if it falls and you cant carry it you will have to sell some BTC which you will be doing anyway, if you only borrow 20 to 25% you should be able to carry it for long enough to see a rise. Don't forget the interest compounds.

Fiat128sl

Can see BTC going to $49-53 easily so holding out a little more. Bought in the last cycle at $30k and sold majority at $110, what I kept during the drop to $60 I sold when it climbed back to $81 before the latest drop… there’s one more drop at least so stacking cash weekly in the exchange ready to buy in the low 50’s

DavidssonA

You're good... All you have to do is nothing, 1 BTC = 1 BTC

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faisal_yk26

I also have an old seed of 18 words saved in my old docs. I was expecting it to be BTC wallet seed I think. But I am also not sure and unable to use it. AI said that it is a cryptographic standard known as BIP39

DiamondHandsDarrell

Selling 98 BTC at arrive $400 Hah jk, it was worth it for the page of mind all these years being debt free

YouWantToFuck

It is always the time to buy Bitcoin. Why? Every cent you put in is one more cent that you didn’t waste on bad food or bad decisions. People need to stop thinking of the cryptocurrency as a magic road to wealth. It is a way to compress and stretch your money. Put in 50,000 and you get pennies back. The only difference is you keep getting pennies back forever. You can always scale up. Especially with the halving coming soon. You should not care about the day to day price. Even if it goes lower it will eventually go back up. Too low for you? Shift it to another currency or usdc. Growing higher, leave it in the BTC and see what happens.

thug_funnie

What the fuck is the point of a post like this. Do you have such a lack of confidence in your own convictions that you need to shame others for actually sticking to their market theses? I personally rebought into BTC in March at 67. But didn’t believe the following run up at all and luckily held from buying until it dropped below 60 again in June and was able to significantly lower my avg buy price and acquire more for less. But now I also believe we are going to have at least one more big leg down. So I’m holding. These posts are stupid. All you are saying is “I’m smart because I have zero thoughts on what will happen and thus no convictions”

amplidud

Yeah… I think for all of these you need to really ask what would happen for number to go up. Remember a token is not a stock. A company doing better does not mean its token has any reason to go up in value. Hell, the token being more used does not mean the price has to go up. There is a reason so many people become BTC maxi’s the longer they are in crypto. They eventually figure out its really hard to get sustained upward trend for a crypto and BTC was kinda the perfect storm to even have a shot at doing so. It is however  very easy to go to zero.  Cool you get extraordinarily lucky and have one of these do well? Sure! But its MUCH more likely your money does nothing or (most likely) goes to essentially zero.

hoopstar80

Fiat currencies are literally just rectangular paper and you think BTC’s tech won’t last 100 years?? 😂

Traditional_Most105

Thanks for your thoughtful advice. I'd argue that ETH and BTC may be the safest out there's not huge upside or even a medium one. Why do you suggest ETH ?am curious. Most suggest BTC, others BTC and ETH.

BarnacleOwn604

1. Buy BTC on any exchange 2. Educate yourself on what you’re buying, what a seed phrase is, what self custody is, what cold storage is 3. Send to cold storage 4. Secure your seed phrase somewhere safe and offline 5. DCA what you can afford weekly or monthly and don’t worry about selling or liquidating 6. HODL 7. Continue HODL’ing

DontLook_Weirdo

It depends on what you're doing with BTC. If you're in it to trade and try to flip some $ into $$, BTC ain't it - it's an asset, not crypto. You'll continue to lose money and come out of it sour. If you're in it to invest like you would in your Roth or any ETF, then you just stop looking because you know it'll take months or years for any action to happen. If you're in it for the long haul, then I'd recommend setting up some sort of DCA and removing yourself from as much of it as you can. I have daily recurring set up through strike, and it's uninstalled. I know my buys are still going through because my bank shows the activity and strike confirmed it before I went through with it lol. I also uninstalled my trezor app and only check on balances whenever strike auto-tranfers 1m sats to my trezor.. I fund it all with direct deposit into a bank account meant solely for investments, so I never see the money leave my pockets, so I never feel like I'm down $. My only connection to BTC is this sub.. when sentiment in this sub is shit, I buy more on top of my DCA.

KarmaShawarma

Has nothing to do with BTC and the music is fucking annoying garbage.

EyesFor1

Do you think BTC will rise ? If the answer is yes, you shouldn't care. Just DCA

LionRivr

You don’t stop caring. You just don’t let the caring stop you from buying more BTC.

Few-Trick-4968

75% BTC the rest BNB , HYPE etc... projects that have good future

seviu

I am about to hit 2BTC thanks to this bear market Never give up

Itur_ad_Astra

Agressively shorting. You take the profits from the short of the first dump and double down for the second dump. There's zero chance BTC sees $65K before $62K.

Blade_Runner_69

Well Ive been here for over a decade. Things were different when I started out, it was easy to make 10-20x on a coin sell and move to the next thing. But at this stage I'd stick with BTC & ETH as the bulk of your portfolio. I learned by getting burned with LRC and a few others. But I also made a lot with Cardano and polygon. But I wouldn't recommend alt coins anymore. If you want to keep the coins you've bought at least sell 60% and do 30/30 in BTC and ETH then keep everything you have for speculation. A solid foundation is essential if you want to invest properly. If you want to slim down the current portfolio looks for coins that are decentralised and have a use case, for instance chainlink is a good one because it has a use case, but wheather or not it will moon is anyone's guess. Never buy meme shitcoins. You will eventually get burned if the liquidity dries up.

blaziken8x

This is the origin story of every BTC maxi

jokers_wild_card

You’d have to wipe every node on earth to “delete” BTC. That’s kinda the whole point of it. As far as Satoshi: why is he obviously fake? Occam’s razor would suggest he really was a cypher-punk that wanted to remain anonymous, and is most likely deceased. If it was a conspiracy and the powers behind it wanted to crash it or rug pull it don’t you think they’d have done it by now? And, it’s hard to imagine how it’s even possible at this point, with the adoption rate and number of nodes running the network. Nobody stops this train.

Darkpriest667

As BTC maximum as I am, I agree with this. There are at least 4 Fiat currencies I can think of that go back 200+ years

Masonryandmore

You don’t understand how BTC works! The Market Cap is the price of BTC x the amount of BTC circulating, Not how much money it takes to make it go up. Supply and demand, available BTC, Halving, there are a lot of factors.

Blade_Runner_69

Hey bro I'm saying this for your benefit and not being an ass, but if you must buy crypto you need to sell all this and buy 40% BTC 40% ETH and use the 20% to speculate. What you currently own has a massive risk compared to the big 2 which are risky enough. Personally I stick with BTC and XMR only.

A1JX52rentner

Everyone starts like this. In three years, you have 4 positions. One bear market later you will be BTC only.

dnalloheoj

I spent ~8 BTC on the Silk Road on less than a half ounce of weed. Was probably 17-18 at the time. Dad hosted about 20 servers at home at the time (Dell 2950s) so my GPU chugging away 24/7 wasn't even a blip on the electricity bill, and to me it was literally just free money, why wouldn't I spend it? Regrets? Sure, who wouldn't. But nothing deep seeded. I genuinely think SR was a big player it terms of legitimizing BTC as currency, so it's neat to have been a part of that phase of it's existence. Hell I have more regrets about a vanilla WoW account I got banned (Had an ivory raptor before they got removed from the game) lol.

Hypnotic101

K. Maybe skip BTC then. Not sure you’re gonna ever understand it.

jeche25

New to BTC and in slow accumulation phase. $500 to start with and $100/mo. I welcome this boring sideway movements.

LordJamPunt

BTC CME futures is hitting highs before the spot market, is it always leading like that?

OddRecognition6214

Fear & Greed is 25 and BTC is around ,445. The bigger signal isn’t the property question — it’s whether people are making decisions from discomfort instead of conviction. Historically, that kind of tension shows up when sentiment is already lagging price.

OddRecognition6214

BTC at ,445 with Fear & Greed at 25. Macro headlines are still driving the tape, which usually means the crowd is reacting faster than it’s thinking. The data still looks more like fear than euphoria.

ProfessionalAir104

Kraken to buy Crypto. Like first comment to late for BTC unless you’re buying $0.2-$0.4%. it really depends on how much capital you have.

SeeWoke

If you made that bet you would lose but my money doesn’t matter in this debate. I fully understand mc and what it will take for BTC to rise that high. I never said it would be easy but there is a path for btc to be 10m a coin, 20-30 years is a long time and a lot can happen from now till then.

deltamark_btc

fink has skin in the game - blackrock ETF flows are literally his floor thesis. nydig's $38k case needs a real macro unwind, dollar spike, risk-off everywhere. either way the price action right now tells more: BTC retested the top of its old $62.5k-$64k range today (broke out of there two days ago on elevated vol), currently holding around $64k. if that level fails the nydig case starts to open up. if it holds and reclaims $64.5k+ the fink camp wins the next leg. the predictions are secondary to where price is actually trading

hulkingconspiracy821

Started on Kraken for spot and futures but the fees on futures ate my small account alive, now I just stick to spot BTC/ETH and sleep better

jgarcya

14k today is 28k at BTC $125k.

UrbanGrower187

I buy BTC everyday for years so I would say so

DarrelXero

OP_Daily Newsletter: https://substack.com/@bitcoinpark BTC Breakdown: https://www.btcbreakdown.com/

Time_Basis2535

Everyday is a good day to buy BTC

SeeWoke

You probably don’t know this but bitcoin up up over 100,000,000% in 17 years… there are no splits and there won’t ever be more than 21m BTC. It wouldn’t take much for BTC to go to 1 million each. In 30 years it will likely be 10m+ each.

Fit-Poet6736

nexo is very easy to use and has everything that you need + pays out interest on ETH and BTC

Aeschbacher15

Back in the day you could play online games and get something like 1 BTC every week but it was worth nothing so I never bothered... Too bad I was stupid as a kid

Django_McFly

You know he did. He saw BTC go from $16k to $110k and was like "crypto is dead and never coming back". Then it hit $120k and he was like, "crypto is the future of finance!" and bought in. When it fell to $110k, *he only bought because it went up, clearly he'll get out now that it's gone down... no conviction up, no conviction down, right?* Wrong. He magically gained insta-mega-hodl conviction and was like *i'll gladly ride this to zero!*. "I only bought because the price went up but I'll gladly ride it down to zero"... welcome to everyone's first bull-to-bear market.

Excellent-Advice-948

Good question, and asking it early puts you ahead of most people. The core difference is who holds the keys: - On an exchange, THEY hold the keys — you basically have an IOU. Convenient, but if the exchange gets hacked, freezes withdrawals, or goes bust, your coins are caught up in that. The phrase people repeat is "not your keys, not your coins." - In a wallet you control (self-custody), YOU hold the keys — a 12 or 24-word seed phrase. Nobody can freeze it, but nobody can recover it for you either, so the responsibility is fully yours. Rough rule beginners use: - Small amount you're actively using or still learning with → leaving it on a reputable exchange is fine. - Meaningful amount you're holding long-term → move it to your own wallet. Two wallet types: - Software/hot wallet (an app) — free, easy, connected to the internet. Fine for smaller amounts. - Hardware/cold wallet (a physical device, \~£50-80) — keys stay offline, so it's the standard for holding larger amounts long-term. On "corruption of BTC" — you can relax about that one. Coins on the blockchain can't rot or corrupt. The only real risks are losing access (losing your seed phrase) or theft — and both come down to guarding that seed phrase: write it on paper, offline, never a photo or cloud note, never typed into a website, never shared with anyone (no legit "support" person ever needs it). When you do move it: send a small test amount first, confirm it arrives, then send the rest. And ignore anyone who slides into your DMs offering to "help" — that's always a scammer.

ScopulyX

I'd start with BTC or ETH. They're generally more liquid and easier to learn with than smaller altcoins.

_blockchainlife

Alts are all trash. 10% into BTC and the rest into VOO

GIGAbtcHodl

had to buy a bundle deal to get a tshirt with his BTC

p51mustangkkz

I wouldn't sell it, instead I will borrow against BTC at nexo with up to 50% LTV

OldHamburger7923

Plus their expenses are paid in usd. Good luck paying power company with BTC.

OverallBlock9028

BTC cannot be printed, but: - USDT is printed even more out of thin air than fed. - Thousands of new crypto currencies are created every year. How much BTC would be without usdt fraud?

deltamark_btc

the cost basis headline misses the real trader risk. MSTR trades at a premium to its BTC NAV when sentiment is good - that premium can compress 40-60% even if BTC only pulls back 15-20%. company treasury is fine at $8-10k BTC, shareholders aren't protected the same way. different exposure.

newMoneyStyle

lmao the sats argument is real tho, nobody's paying for tacos in 0.00021 BTC. fiat ain't going anywhere for daily spend, cc fees are the actual vill

Ok_Percentage4090

BTC always waits till everyone gets bored, then starts acting crazy again lol.

mrvitz

We are in the bear market right now , probably until aprox. Oct-Nov, after that plus 3 years Bull market! Respect the 4 years cycle on BTC! I needed 10 years to believe in it!

Accomplished-Sand334

Is it hard to understand for you that the WP has a view of BTC as P2P, and this is today not the case?

DiamondHandsDarrell

Turned $117 into $14k and you want to invest that somewhere else? My guy, I've bought 2 cars and season tickets so far and ended up with more BTC than I started with. Best of luck to you.

konddmy

it does not leak, inherently has those those patterns - those are sines and cosines you learned in school :). It is not only Bitcoin, but any entropy source humans have. The only thing that truly protects you for now - is obscurity of how it's all sampled. But AI has ability to unwind that obscurity. So we propose (I wrote-up article, website updated now) a framework, methodology and a network, that would ensure that replay is not applicable to your particular wallet. The network of entropy miners is incentivized (naturally - no smart contracts; wallet users and vendors - simply end some funds to miners who provide closest examples of seeds, it's beautiful protocol - since if user does not pay, then user increases risk of miner becoming hacker), so supporters of the project - will get their share too. A bit of mob-style protocol, but backed by methodology that makes sense not only for BTC, but for everything that NIST has standardized. It has theoretical guarantee to beaf up IRL entropy. It works for any source of entropy. Bitcoin and Ledger Nano is just a start

belascob

The Math tells you… don’t sell. If you do have children you will help them and the family, Big time, with the money you will make from here. November will begin the return to strong growth. By 2030, 0.2 BTC will put you in the position of bing being priveledged.

Fro3en_Cornchip

Tired of these dumb arse questions. Has BTC reach the bottom? Guess what? No one fucking knows! Crazy right? Is now a good time to buy? Yes.. it is! If OP even bothered to research one chart you’d have a decent clue as to the timing of the cycle right now. If BTC hits 40k later this year, it’s still a good time to buy, stop trying to time the bottom. Think about when BTC hit last ATH, you were wishing you bought at 16, 20, 30 even 40k. Either was still a good time to buy. So stfu and buy!

Excellent_Can2901

I had a mid range PC in 2011 and my pool rewards were about 0.5 BTC a day back then.

quintavious_danilo

Who isn’t? But greed comes at a cost usually. Whether you like it or not, **now** is the time to buy and it’s mostly impossible to time the entry perfectly. This is your chance to get in cheap. We will most likely never see $60k again (after the next bull market). I bought my first batch of BTC at $20k back in 2022 …. but like you, I held back a substantial amount because I thought it would go lower. Guess what? It didn’t. We’ll never see $20k again. I’m now buying at 3x the price. That hurts. Lesson learned. Do it better!

InitiativeScared6583

Alright, new plan: I'm betting it all on Argentina to win the World Cup first. Once my money doubles, I'll dump half straight into BTC and use the rest to DCA. Absolute financial genius over here!

InitiativeScared6583

Alright, new plan: I'm betting it all on Argentina to win the World Cup first. Once my money doubles, I'll dump half straight into BTC and use the rest to DCA. Absolute financial genius over here!

VeryThicknLong

I’d say hold until at least 2028. Right now, stock markets are feeling the pain of a euphoric AI run. There’s also signals that it could potentially have a large correction. Also, because of this, you could literally be waiting years for the stock market to even do anything substantial. The way I see it, is the BTC pattern over the course of 4 years, is exactly the same as the stock market boom and bust over 17 years. Just a condensed version. It will get less volatile and gains will reduce, but the next 4 years will be beneficial to you, and you’ll get back much more than the £14k you have right now.

WeakEstablishment686

Hold that shit. It will 10x someday and you’ll have an incredible story about 0.21 BTC. Def not worth paying taxes on either. One of the best value plays right now vs a slightly inflated stock market

MediocreTax7927

I’ll have a look. I also see a lot of talks about Saylor. Is he a good reference? Seems to be doing a lot for BTC or for is company hard to say.

Comprehensive_Pea424

If you believe BTC will be a currency, then yes, you are late. If you believe BTC will become a store of value that tends to appreciate while fiat loses value, then you are not late.

UseMoreHops

I’ve had to sell. Started with SOL, BNB, ADA at first. Unfortunately I’ve been out of work for almost a year. I sold my ETH next and most recently I’ve sold half my BTC. I’m really glad that I had it as it has gotten me thru a tough time.

Some_Bluejay4540

lol you just want to get money… but all the coiners say FIAT will be dead… so do u want the cake or not lol. Cash is king. Always. BTC had a once in a lifetime run up. People bought at 100 thinking it would go to 10 million. Meanwhile stocks (cash) have appreciated. Cash is what 99.99 percent of everyone cares about. This is a reality check. There are still people holding out hope for LUCID since 5 years ago.

Some_Bluejay4540

If you don’t like your fiat please mail to me. Sincerely: guy who laid cash for a meal today instead of 4% CC fee. No one is using 0.00000000000000000001 BTC to buy a meal.

pommesUNDwurst

I don't think any sane person would short BTC. The bear market rallyes are way to aggressive and would liquidate you in no time. But who knows.

MediocreTax7927

I will. Do you have any other sources of information that you feel helped you? And if I’m not to much of a bother. What do you think of a stock like MSTR vs owing BTC itself?

MediocreTax7927

Again arguing with someone politely is called having a discussion. I do believe it should matter, so maybe you’re right and I do not understand, that’s also why I asked. I can be wrong and learn. I actually did, no thanks to you. You are correct I did ignore the first person mentioning the book. I did thank the second one though because it seemed to me that it must be an important read now that 2 persons mentioned it so quickly. Maybe I should’ve thanked the first one too, you are correct. Never heard of it and it sounded like any other book to me at first. The second person validated its importance. I absolutely do not know anything about BTC. That’s the first thing I said. Parading really ? I do not believe any question is stupid. Don’t you think everyone invested in BTC would gain from more people understanding it? Instead of having it guarded by the obvious elites like yourself. What I am too dumb to be teached? Are people too dumb to understand so others shouldn’t bother explaining to them that price action and cycles don’t work the way one might read here and there. Maybe try just answering politely that the question doesn’t make sense. Give a reason or two. Try to educate instead of insulting and trying to make people feel stupid. Or better yet if you’re tired of explaining and feel like people asking questions are stupid, just stay quiet. Might help people and BTC in general. Because I might not know much about it, but I do understand it needs to be way bigger, and way more people need to understand and believe in it for it to work for decades or even forever. Teaching will do that.

pommesUNDwurst

This is exactly how this game should be played. Well done! Have done this myself since the last Top in 2021. Haven't used any new funds since 2020. But will hopefully 5x my initial BTC amount if the price drops below 53k. But I haven't bought any yet. Fingers crosses ;)

_DaBau5_

you shouldn’t need to sell your investments to fund purchases unless you are experiencing hyper inflation in your currency. crypto (more specifically BTC & ETH) is better as a buy and hold than transactional currency

Dparkzz

I always keep enough cash where i am only buying BTC and investments not selling them

Clean-Wallaby3164

You think they are going to start extradiing people? Tell me what the better alternative to BTC is in this future where the government no longer respects property rights?

xianthus

BTC and stocks. Alt coins are a scam, you're just buying someone's bag. Source: DOT holder

daniel_travels

You’re both kinda right, just talking about different timeframes. Conviction is what stops you panic selling BTC at 30k. But blind belief in whatever random alt you bought is exactly how people end up bagholding to zero The difference is having a thesis you can actually falsify vs just vibing. “I think BTC is a long term store of value, I’ll DCA and hold through drawdowns” is a position. “This coin will 100x because the community is strong” isn’t And the point about the most confident people knowing the least brutal but true. Anyone giving you a price target with a date is entertaining you, not informing you

MajorAnamika

Please give a citation for that claim (4 out of 10 online shops accept bitcoin as payment), that is not from a BTC shilling outlet. And as I asked before - how do you get the BTC to pay in the first place? By buying it with actual currencies. So you first buy BTC with USD, then use that BTC to make a purchase. You could simply skip a step, you know. The fact is that Bitcoin is not used as a currency in any meaningful way. The only reason people buy Bitcoin is in the hope of selling it for more fiat currency later.

Philly_3D

It's tough because so many factors affect BTC... we can go by past cycles, but world affairs/conflicts/upsets affect all money markets, so just hope for the best and enjoy the ride.

MajorAnamika

Is it a currency, or is it a store of value? It was supposed to be a currency, but it never became one. You cannot pay for anything with BTC, close to nobody accepts it as payment. Even if you could pay with BTC, you'd have to buy that BTC with actual currency first. When it failed as a currency, it began to be marketed as a store of value.

angelwolf71885

When you see things like SilkRoad you realize it’s use case and for trading for goods and services beyond that that still dose happen while you can’t pay your power or water as of yet you can trade BTC for food and housing if you find the right group of people

Wilhelm-Edrasill

Yeah most people in 2011, thought it was a neat tech demo - and the serious finance bros - laughed it out of the room - because - anyone with a brain in 2011 knew BTC was basically acting like an un-registered Securities according to the IRS rules. So - people with real $$$ and ability to buy in, would never at that time - due to the risk element. And rich people with assets, are all about risk mitigation - not , accumulation. That said, there were some hobbyist in 2011 in socal - who would drive and meet up with USB thumb sticks to trade for garage sale stuff. Was kinda cool back then.

MediocreTax7927

To what end tho? If you can’t use it to buy anything substantial like let’s say a car or a house… food, clothes, gas. Just hold and never sell but can’t ever buy anything even if it’s worth millions? It feels like we are light years away from buying anything useful with BTC.

MajorAnamika

To be a store of value, it has to have some value in the first place. Also, check out how much BTC's inflation is over the past year.

IAmTheNorthwestWind

If BTC hits 10,000 Im buying 10 lol. Idc about interest until the next bull

MediocreTax7927

So you’re in BTC but have no clue what’s your goals or expectations about performance? I’m obviously not asking about a specific date if that wasn’t clear to you. No fun predictions? Something you think is realistic or exaggerated? You just invest without believing in anything about your returns?

Necessary-Dust2178

His video card must have sucked. 5 BTC per day was easy then.

Technical-Expert-289

Thanks for the response. I see what you’re saying. It’s difficult for non technically minded people to even follow the threads and discussions and determine for themselves who is lying and who is telling the truth. And yea, whatever the intent it definitely appeared to be a censorship campaign to some (myself included). Can you enlighten me on what the status of my current stack will be like in the worst case scenario of how this plays out? As a casual holder if I just do nothing does my stack remain true BTC?

Odd-Fun-1482

statisically, BTC wasn't a thing back when the S&P was incurring it's own drawdown periods. So charts dont apply. Use logic.

Inevitable_Line_8246

I agree. A trader with experience doing covered calls could probably replicate the return without the expense ratio using something like IBIT, and buy to close the covered call when BTC shows signs of life again, which I believe it will in about a year. Great reply! Thank you.

RetiredAvocado

Screenshot says "started 2013.05.02.." with average 391mhs. A USB block Erupter could do 330mhs. Maybe in 2011 he was doing better, but he was not mining 1 BTC per day with $800 PC in that screenshot anymore.

deltamark_btc

two unlocks i think are underrated - 401k auto-allocation (when the major brokerages let you set 2% BTC as a fund slice the same way you pick an index fund, that's trillions in passive flows hitting crypto every paycheck. ETF rails are basically there, the 401k wrapper is the last mile, maybe 18 months out), and stablecoins in emerging markets where people aren't "adopting crypto" ideologically, they're just surviving inflation in argentina/nigeria/turkey. that adoption is already happening quietly, it just doesn't show in western metrics. retail POS is probably the last domino not the first - merchants follow users, not the other way around.

Toc_a_Somaten

I'm a potential early miner, knew of bitcoin in 2010 and almost kickstarted one of the earlier mining rigs and it should have been around 2011-2012 but the early crashes were enough to turn me down and although i hated myself in december 2013 (first time BTC went over 1000 usd) I never felt bad for not buying early because frankly, had i had a few hundred or a few thousand bitcoins i would never have been able to hold

Wu-Kang

BTC running entirely off feels...

oak1337

Let's go claim by claim here. >Permissioned True. Only Hedera Council members can operate a node (currently). They are on a "Path to Permissionless", but that comes with scale. As Hedera scales, more nodes/shards are required. Shards can be added as needed (linear/horizontal scaling). That's when permissionless comes into play. Leaderless means all nodes participate in every transaction. Can't just add nodes like a permissionless chain can (yet), or it will increase Time to Finality (TTF) to wait for gossip to all nodes. Conversely, with only 1 Block Leader at a time, it doesn't matter how many nodes you have. Only 1 node decides the order at a time. Permissionless =\= Decentralized That's why ETH has 13,000 nodes and a Nakamoto of 1, and Algorand has a 1400 nodes and a Nakamoto of 2. And BTC with a Nakamoto of 3. They're all spectators, your node is a paperweight, it's psuedo-decentralization. >centralized False. Centralized vs Decentralized has to do with **distributed "power" and "control".** For example, a single "block leader" that unilaterally has the "power and control" over transaction order, is centralized. "Leaderless" means all nodes participate equally in every transaction. All nodes are relatively equal. **Equal Node Consensus Power**. Each node has 1/39th "control" over the network. Guaranteed Decentralization as it scales (add more equal nodes/shards, Nakamoto increases). Hedera Council are up to 39 members, all with **1 equal vote on Governance** (equally distributed "power"). London School of Economics has the same vote as Google, IBM, Dell, Accenture, Hitachi, McLaren, FedEx, or any other Council member. Limited time duration of governance "control or power," with 3 year terms, maximum 2 consecutive, rotating. Governance consists of network updates, maintenance, Treasury allocations, etc. Hedera has ~87% coin distribution, so the **Treasury only "controls" ~13% of coins.** >They astroturf the hell out of Reddit and other social media. False. One of the top things Hedera gets slammed for by the community is zero marketing, zero advertising. >Buy assets with real public ownership over the protocol or company. HBAR is not a stock, it's a commodity, as ruled by the SEC and CFTC. >X link in profile for honest human takes and analytics. False. 500 followers and include unresearched and under informed opinions like this one.

Sakanita-

Most early miners sold way before the price hit serious numbers. Electricity costs were real and nobody knew it would go this high. Holding BTC from 2011 takes conviction almost nobody had back then

PopLegion

Common share holders own MSTR, MSTR owns Bitcoin. So common share holders own BTC on the balance sheet. It's not an etf, so it's worded weird like you pointed out. But if common share holders don't own the BTC, who does?