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Do you think the people affected by the historical floods over the next five days will be buying, selling, or holding BTC?
How do you monitor positions + orderbooks across DEXs, CEXs, and other platforms?
Peter Brandt Highlights Bitcoin Price Pattern Key to Keeping BTC's Bull Trend Healthy
How do the largest hodlers of BTC store thier coins?
What percent of us do you think are hodling this way, Pros and Cons. Storage
Is it a common misconception that Bitcoins gain their value from the cost of electricity required to generate them?
BTC can't turn $1 into $10 in 2024 - yes it can, over and over
MSTR or miners for leveraged play? (and how is the halving supposed to be bullish for miners??)
BlackRock Bitcoin ETF has surpassed holdings worth over $2 billion, equivalent to more than 52,000 BTC.
BlackRock Bitcoin ETF has surpassed holdings worth over $2 billion, equivalent to more than 52,000 BTC.
Don't Get Rekt in This Bull Run: Remember the 2017 "Earn" Scams?
Don't Get Rekt in This Bull Run: Remember the 2017 "Earn" Scams?
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Reminder: Bitcoin Was Invented to Replace the Current Flawed System, Not to Be Absorbed Into It. Stop getting excited about BlackRock and Fidelity accumulating more BTC every day, and be aware of what's coming.
I LOVE BTC logo design. Feel free to use it for any purpose. Design source files are in the comments.
Bitcoin As A Power Law: why BTC is predictable over the long run
ICYF: BTC ETFs can start advertising on Google from Today.
"Traditional" Investor here looking to diversify, should I buy a lot of BTC before the halving?
Mined BTC early, trying to figure out if recovery is possible...
Crypto Reporting (US) - Bitcoin and failing to report loses; Need help to fix this
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Setting up a Node on a new N100 Mini PC, What do I need to Know?
Reminder: Bitcoin Was Invented to Replace the Current Flawed System, Not to Be Absorbed Into It. Stop getting excited about BlackRock and Fidelity accumulating more BTC every day, and be aware of what's coming.
The last deadline for an Ethereum ETF approval for the SEC is in May 2024, expect a stronger pump than the months before the BTC ETF approval
My last post was deleted: I heard you guys loud and clear
Why BTC will be sideways or downward for months..
ETF's price drop explained, and why the growing optimism!
Hey are you interested in BTC investment The BTC investment is that you will have to open a btc wallet and fund it and if you have it already then you’re already a winner What you will just do is that you will use $50-$200 $100-$300 $150-$400 $300-$500 $500-$1000 $1500-$2000 $2000-$3000
If Bitcoin Didn't Exist Where Would You Put Your Capital?
Navigating the BTC Market Shake-up: Understanding Grayscale's Move and the Dynamics of Weak vs. Strong Hands
Question about ETF -- are BTC traded or do they tend to be held?
I just saw my first Bitcoin ad on basic cable tv….
Hey are you interested in BTC investment The BTC investment is that you will have to open a btc wallet and fund it and if you have it already then you’re already a winner What you will just do is that you will use $50-$200 $100-$300 $150-$400 $300-$500 $500-$1000 $1500-$2000 $2000-$3000
Saudi Arabia to Match Satoshi Nakamoto's 1Million Bitcoin!
The previous Bull Run was pretty underwhelming.
Clarification on UTXOs / what am I misunderstanding re: consolidation?
Bitcoin Mempool Ordinal / BRC-20 / DataCarrier transaction comparison?
Have you ever wondered what Albert Einstein may have said about Bitcoin?
Have you ever wondered what Albert Einstein might have said about Bitcoin?
How long did it take you to understand why BTC really matters?
Is Bitcoin Finally Finding Firm Ground as Grayscale’s BTC ETF Outflows Calm Down?
Is Bitcoin Finally Finding Firm Ground as Grayscale’s BTC ETF Outflows Calm Down?
Joe Rogan learning BTC being the best store of value in the world 10yrs ago when BTC is 900$
1 year ago I ACTUALLY lost most of my Bitcoin in a boating accident.
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Bitcoin Monthly 32 - Stay up to date with what matters
Pricing All Everyday Goods in BTC, From iPhone to Houses, Will Act as an Electroshock to Your Awareness of the Bitcoin Revolution.
Finding Remote International Jobs (Freelance or Salary) That Pay In BTC
After looking into Bitcoin for 1 month and reading A LOT of posts on this Reddit I have no clue if BTC will go to the moon or go to zero.
Does the fact that Coinbase holds custody of 8 out of the 11 spot BTC ETFs pose any risk?
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You’re not well versed in BTC
Actually, both BTC and Top 4 Altcoin dominance is higher today than 2021 and 2017. The market isn't spreading the capital thin but capital is consolidating mostly to BTC and then to the top 4 Alts. - Top 4 Alt Dominance over Total Alt marketcap is higher today than it was in Nov. 2021 and Dec. 2017 when BTC was at ATH - BTC Dominance over the Top 4 Alts is higher today than it was in Nov. 2021 and Dec. 2017 when BTC was at ATH - BTC True Dominance (when you exclude Stablecoins) is higher today than it was in Nov. 2021 and Dec. 2017 when BTC was at ATH However, the Top 4 Altcoin marketcap still has been shrinking albeit at a slower rate than the total Altcoin marketcap. Outside the bigger caps, the liquidity then spreads thin with thousands more Alts sharing that shrinking capital. Result the Altcoin massacre continues. | | Dec. 2017 | Nov. 2021 | Nov. 2025 |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:|:------------:| | BTC | $0.32T | $1.23T | $1.73T | Top 4 Alts | $0.163T | $0.8123T | $0.656T | Total Alt | $0.282T | $1.52T | $0.895T | Stablecoin | $0.001T | $0.11T | $0.32T | Total Crypto| $0.603T | $2.86T | $2.95T | **Top 4 Alt Dom. over Alts**| **57.80%** | **53.44%** | **73.30%** | **BTC Dom. Over Top 4** | **66.25%** | **60.23%** | **72.56%** | **BTC Total Alt Dominance** | **53.16%** | **44.73%** | **65.97%** **Any dominance indicated is measured excluding stablecoins*
Baylor was right Tom was right BTC to 150k by year end ETH to 7k by year end
Wow, Peter Schiff thank you for explaining price change. If you believe in BTC, buy the dip, just like every other asset that has opportunistic events and ready liquidity and people willing to take the risk.
Yeah but this guy "has been analysis BTC chart"
You guys are smoking weed if you think BTC is going lower than $80k. Money printing is starting in Dec and as long as Trump and family have a huge stake in crypto, prices are moving higher soon.
Just recently... VanEck CEO Jan Van Eck questioned whether BTC provides sufficient encryption and privacy. Van Eck said the issues drawing attention inside the Bitcoin community go beyond short-term market swings. “There’s something else going on within the Bitcoin community that non-crypto people need to know about,” He states they will walk away from Bitcoin if we think the thesis is fundamentally broken. We don’t right now, but you always have to look at the underlying technology and privacy of crypto.” Van Eck also said some longtime Bitcoin holders and self-described maxis have begun examining ZCash, calling it “sort of related to Bitcoin with a lot more privacy.” He argued that Bitcoin’s transparent ledger can clash with rising expectations around transaction confidentiality. “When you move money around on the Bitcoin blockchain, you can see it,” he said. “You can see it move from one wallet to another.” while ZCash is the up-and-comer!
I've been told that charts show BTC could sink to $10,000 soon. There again, there are also people still shouting "to the Moon!" so who knows. I'm only certain that BTC isn't a safe place to store wealth or that it's better than gold, as a lot of people seem convinced of.
I fail to see a problem. If crypto collapses permanently because of hubris, then it does. Although BTC has been like cockroaches quite impossible to kill fully.
It's actually not a bad idea. There is no guarantee BTC is going back above 100k any time soon, if ever. However, if it shows the strength to hit a new ATH, one can assume with a higher degree of confidence that it will continue to rise.
funny he OP fail to include the dates. BTC is way over bought. No organic growth.
Gold is a physical entity, BTC is nothing but a made up digital currency that people have been scammed into thinking it has value. BTC is going to tank, but keep believing it has value when it doesn't.
I'm adding the total of every bitcoin move over 24 hours... (myenv) juxtaposelife@bitcoinnode:\~/over21m$ python v36\_print\_stats.py --start '2025-11-22 10:15' --end '2025-11-23 10:15' Time range: Local (America/New\_York): 2025-11-22 10:15:00 EST -> 2025-11-23 10:15:00 EST UTC : 2025-11-22 15:15:00 UTC -> 2025-11-23 15:15:00 UTC ======================================================================== Bucket: 2025-11-22 15:15:00 UTC -> 2025-11-23 15:15:00 UTC (UTC) Blocks in range : 143 UTXOs spent : 1108833 (PnL-covered) BTC spent : 1,369,506.84 BTC (PnL-covered) Total PnL (USD) : $12,155,739,648.36 \------------------------------------------------------------------------ Age-band / cohort breakdown (PnL-covered coins only): <7d 652,753.70 BTC ( 47.7% of BTC) PnL: $114,612,559.36 7–30d 3,565.52 BTC ( 0.3% of BTC) PnL: -$64,776,658.62 30–90d 2,589.61 BTC ( 0.2% of BTC) PnL: -$73,050,426.86 90–180d 60,171.72 BTC ( 4.4% of BTC) PnL: -$1,632,250,974.84 180d–1y 131,503.55 BTC ( 9.6% of BTC) PnL: -$1,360,416,234.15 1–1.5y 104,479.79 BTC ( 7.6% of BTC) PnL: $1,199,967,627.84 1.5–2.5y 216,169.98 BTC ( 15.8% of BTC) PnL: $6,882,021,173.14 2.5–4y 621.84 BTC ( 0.0% of BTC) PnL: $38,150,414.33 4–8y 197,550.73 BTC ( 14.4% of BTC) PnL: $7,043,023,366.70 8y-2012 97.21 BTC ( 0.0% of BTC) PnL: $8,185,742.54 2009-2011 3.18 BTC ( 0.0% of BTC) PnL: $273,058.92
"hodl btc only" translates to "no one knows anything about anything, so I buy the least risky asset in the riskiest asset class" And while btc going +100% is already worthy of celebration, people who actually got into crypto got there because it used to do +10,000%. But yes. Any asset that is limited to +100% in the upside is also limited to the downside, while any asset that can do +10,000% to the upside will come with added risk to the downside. Those who buy "only btc" today would not have bought BTC below $1000...
I buy all my groceries, and local dairy and produce from Bitcoin. My paycheck is in BTC too as I freelance (software engineer). I live on the BTC standard sooooo much better than the toilet paper they hand out to slaves.
Price action does not follow rational patterns. Price action will go where market makers make the most money. If people keep longing BTC via derivatives, it will absolutely reach those levels given enough money on the table
Wow what? BTC IS STILL GOING DOWN
I don't think you understand what inflation even is. Inflation isn't the value of everything going up, but it's the amount of money/coins in supply... dollar supply is ALWAYS going up. Bitcoin supply is going up much slower and over the next few years BTC inflation from mining will be so low that it'll be offset by people potentially forgetting or losing funds.
Even I want cheap BTC . But this time, it’s way too sneaky & silent. Always DCA is the best strategy.
This. BTC will be just fine, this storm is nothing new. https://bitcoindeaths.com/
2025 - Smart people and institutions short it making a bank. I mean that was a easy take, BTC on 120K was like 15% gold market cap. And taking in account central banks are still massively buying GLD it is virtually impossible to have BTC over 280K within next 10Y. So a crash is what makes sense to be able of having a runup. Is not tough to understand. I was banned from BTC sub for telling this like 2 months ago and still appearing so casually on rddit main page somehow some folk post I cannot comment in
Schrödinger’s BTC price prediction.
“We”? I don’t. BTC=BTC. Don’t compare it to decaying paper.
The vertical drop at the end is a charting glitch This happens constantly on CryptoQuant Reddit exports when: • the last day’s data is incomplete • UTC data hasn’t fully synced • API returns a placeholder value It doesn’t represent real BTC movement. Even CryptoQuant staff have clarified that multiple times.
Yes ur wrong. BTC bottomed at $80K.
It’s a great question. I look at BTC as stable and the dollar moves. Right now the Fed is about to start up the printing machines which in theory should support BTC longterm. I guess though people still care about USD… we all compare BTC, and get upset when it falls in price..
Pretty much agree. There’s a reason I only buy BTC, ETH, SOL. Nothing else really has fundamentals, and when I was talking about fundamentals I was talking about out these three. XRP is dying by the way, it’s never going anywhere in my opinion.
"They are all probability based, there is no person behind the wheel, it has somewhat of a snowball effect but there is no grand agenda, i.e. look there is 10k BTC of liquidity at 110k, let's make the price go up." Good luck explaining it to these people. They will always want to create a villain to explain their losses.
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I agree. BTC will peak in March 2026. Alts to peak March through July 2026. It will be magnificent!
Nope, COVID was a thing also on 2021, so much a thing that we had a new lockdown in 2021. BTC started pumping in 2020, and dumped in 2022 when COVID was not a thing anymore. That's fact, now you can tell me it has nothing to do with COVID, and I wont argue because, maybe. But you can't say "COVID was just a thing in 2020".
In the US there is a bill to allow for payments of federal tax with BTC and in doing so you wouldn't trigger capital gains. So not precisely "no tax on crypto" but it would create a way to slowly start realizing some gains over time without paying taxes on them. Not sure it will be passed tho.
BTC University, Rajat Soni on YouTube, The Bitcoin Standard book, read the white paper twice not once, the math behind Bitcoin by Cyril Grunspan, Ricardo Pérez-Marco.
I'm not even gonna consider buying back until BTC has not only confirmed it can stay above $100K for a few weeks, but can get back above $120K. But even if it hits $120K again, I'll wait until I'm sure there's a new ATH before I buy. Maybe even make sure it can get above $130K. I think $134K will be a good entry point.
I believe BTC is more mature today.. it once had no institutional interests. My target to return is 55/60k. But if it were to go down to 35/40k I'd even gamble my house on it😁
Do you actually think OG crypto whales keep all their BTC in a single wallet? Lmao
With corporations and other institutions buying at record rates, BTC won't fail.
Kraken platform is slow as a turd. Only you Kraken if you accept 50% cpu usage and 4GB of your ram being sucked up. Test the platform with very little money and you will notice how ridiculously slow and buggy the entire site it. If you have an IBRK account and focus on BTC or ETH, just go with IBRK. Not only are their fees lowest, but it is fast and easy without the other gimmicks
It works until it doesn’t. Anyone that thinks BTC is a sure thing has no clue what they are talking about.
BTC usually goes and retests the liquidity areas around previous all time highs. $30K is way below that and would be something we have never seen in a bear market before. $55-60K is a much realistic number to still fall in line w previous cycles. Saying it needs to drop 70-80% in the bear market is totally disregarding what actually happened in the Bull market. In previous cycles the bear market had bigger retraces bc the BULL markets were much crazier pushing bitcoin to insane multiples past prev ATHs. This cycle BTC didnt even 2X past its prev ATH so expecting a 70-80% draw down for BTC now is just being foolish and not paying attention to the market.
It depends. Everybody "knows" that we are in an AI bubble, if it explodes in the near future BTC might drop to 40-45. Otherwise if the AI trend keeps going up to 2027 we might see another BTC ATH "soon". If nothing changes I would imagine the current price is at the bottom range already. It might go down another 10% but no more than that. I work in the IT sector so I know that there are still places that AI can improve and, therefore, can earn money from. I dont see it bursting very soon at all. I am not bullish, I just think the price will eventually return to September 2025 price
Im 26 and own BTC... we need to understand the OP's time horizon to use this money.
Yes it’s real. I’ve been saying this for months now. But everyone jumped down my throat telling me I’m stupid. It will never drop below 100k again. The ETF’s, mass adoption blah blah blah. If the pattern goes away there will be no more easy money for big corporations and Hedge funds. The retail investor hold very little BTC in comparison. Even if every retail investor never sold they could get the price to dump to where ever they see fit. This is why you need conviction in your investment. It’s easy to say you wont sell but when it’s down 70-80% and your hearing how its the end from every outlet. That’s when we find out who the real believers are and who the fair weather believers are.
A different analysis based on patterns shows BTC bottoms around last ATH. Based on that theory 50-70k target.
“Volatility is a feature not a bug” Thanks for high volatility the boomers cannot fathom it. They call it risk. Imagine if BTC was a ultra stable asset compared to the USD. There would be nothing left for us peasants. Vanguard would buy it all…
Well that’s the alleged value-add of MSTR vs. buying spot BTC. MSTR can take advantage of all the capital raising tools available to Wall St. to acquire more BTC, while the average retail investor cannot.
i didnt count the institution stuff cause theyre unreliable factor hard to predict, they could be double edge sword, holding the price, but when they started selling BTC could fall lower than avg 70% drop i guess
agreed, but i didnt count the institution stuff cause theyre unreliable factor hard to predict, they could be double edge sword, holding the price, but when they started selling BTC could fall lower than avg 70% drop i guess
Bitcoin can be a long term store of value and still behave like a risk asset in the short term. Daily moves are driven by liquidity, leverage, and market sentiment, not by its fundamental thesis. When fear hits, traders sell BTC just like stocks to cover losses. The store of value narrative plays out over years, not weeks. The key is understanding that difference between long term fundamentals and short-term market behavior.
agreed, but i didnt count the institution stuff cause theyre unreliable factor hard to predict, they could be double edge sword, holding the price, but when they started selling BTC could fall lower than avg 70% drop i guess
agreed, but i didnt count the institution stuff cause theyre unreliable factor hard to predict, they could be double edge sword, holding the price, but when they started selling BTC could fall lower than avg 70% drop i guess
Yes. You can’t compare price action from when an asset was in its infancy and it was simply speculative retail investors looking to make quick profits to a semi-mature asset. Given that the current cost to mine 1 BTC is around 70k USD, that likely puts the floor for BTC around 70k.
You understand that for BTC going to 31k, it would need people to accept selling one whole BTC for 31k, right?
The reason why every government holds gold reserves is because they expect debasement at some point as the only solution. Now BTC is being used a strategic reserve too which as you can see is a similar approach to gold reserves. Right now BTC follows markets because it is in its early stages and as reserves start piling up it will mature just like gold is, except BTC has all the benefits of gold and none of its weaknesses.
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Yea and now the price has held so it may go for the shorts. I’ve seen it do that plenty for longs and shorts. BTC likes to clean people out 😂
And he won't care and keep buying the BTC people will sell cheap because they lose money with microstrategy stocks.
This is the time for me to go 80% in stables, while maintaining a small bag of my favorite projects (XBorg, Solana, BTC) and chill for a few month until I slowly start to dca in again. As a improvement of my strat in comparison with last cycle, I‘ll stick to Top 10 coins and such with strong fundamentals.
If that happens : \- Microstrategy price dump for a bit \- People sell their BTC because they lose money with Microstrategy \- Microstrategy doesn't sell any BTC and just keep buying
I know. Thought I could handle it. Lesson learned. My feeds are killing me by throwing all of this “doom and gloom” in my face. “This is truly the end for BTC.” Need to figure out how to curate my feeds.
Idk why people invest in BTC without the understanding it can easily have a 50% drawdown. That’s what you sign up for.
Well if its BTC, you’re fine. If its altcoins, it depends…
Because BYND, going to the moon get rich quick mentality. IQ is linked to wealth. BTC is a store of value. Yes it's normal to have 30% swings in weeks. Treasuries are being pressured to sell and many bought at the top.
I bought near the ATH in 2021. I bought as much as I could on the way down, and ended up with average cost basis of 35K. It was painful to see a large amount of money slowly vanish. I had sold my house and dumped a bunch in BTC. I tried to put it out of my mind and try forget it was there. I stopped checking the price until I heard news about it starting to go up again. And just like that it's 2025, and I I had profits. Like everyone says - zoom out.
Just look at any cold storage wallets holding BTC that are at least 3 years old to calm the nerves. I have one from the 2022 when exchanges were crashing, transferred everything, when I checked the balance in September 2025 it was 4-5x the initial balance. BTC is a long term game that rewards patience.
People have been telling me this for years now. FYI, my current BTC cost basis is $34k, my current ETH cost basis is $350 and my current SOL cost basis is $56. Time in the market is better than timing the market. Lets check back in 10 years and compare portfolios.
BTC tends to shoot for leverage, so it’ll probably smoke the leverage at 101k
Buy gold. this BTC is not even worth 50$.
New traders lose everything in ALTs. Veterans HODL BTC and sleep peacefully at night.
This comment was a good thought on crypto BTC eventually will recover. There is nothing that guarantees it, but it has always recovered eventually and if you follow crypto crypto both fundamentally and as a market, you get the general ideia that in the long run, BTC will be higher. That is not the same for alts though. Most alts created that lasted in 2017 has good projects and made all time highs in 2021. They didnt recover at all in 2025. We had 3.5 bucks ADA, 50 DOT, 5 FTM, etc etc, and they never got any close on making new all time highs. You can now only hope to time and trade them, you can never count on them as investments again. Even ETH disaponted. Touched previous ATH and is now wrecked again. Only BTC decisively surpassed previous ATHs and held. For now
Yeah, this is exactly why I try to treat BTC and alts like two completely different planets. BTC dips hurt but they rarely feel “terminal.” Alts on the other hand… it’s survival of the fittest every cycle.
Another example of why you should just HODL BTC only.
Yea, totally inefficient and insecure. Plus, not sending anybody my bullion. I still find it valuable, just less so than BTC.
If it was just BTC, he wouldn't be down this bad. Certainly not bad enough to say it here. Obviously it's all Alts.
Great example of why hold sucks compared to BTC. How tf can I send you physical gold? Send me a wallet address and BOOM.
Specifically for BTC it will always come back even higher, the question is when and if you can afford to wait? For alts, as we saw, the last bear market seems to be their last, the biggest projects haven't recovered fully and probably never will, who knows, may be in 15 years when btc is 800k and moves only 5% in a bull cycle then the alts will explode. For this current drop, it can be literally anything, we can be ATH before New Year or we can be at BTC 42K. You should be emotionally okay with both, it's a casino that doesn't depend on anything except perhaps some highly complicated coordination between extremely wealthy institutions/whales.
This is why I preach just buy Bitcoin. If you just had Bitcoin, you would be able to weather this storm. You would barely be in the red if at all. Altcoins just shit on themselves and dump to horrifyingly low prices while BTC just has a moderate cold.
I had a buddy who bought like 400 BTC back in 2010 and he misplaced it.
Omg I am so sorry of my lack of understanding and rudeness towards the most valuable asset of all time, I am truly sorry. Please tell me more or do I need to study 10000 hours of BTC before I can “understand it”
No, thats Coinbase that has moved over 300k BTC to new wallets. No sells no buys. Just security. The onchain data should stabilise in the next few days.
I trust banks as much as the next guy does, but the fearporn around not being able to use your own money on stuff 'they' don't like, is a bit ridiculous at times. I bought close to €30k of BTC early last year in 2 weeks time, and split all of the transactions in partitions of €5k and nobody ever called me or blocked my transactions. Not every bank is the same. Some of the horror stories I've read from people who can't even take out a few hundred bucks without having to answer a bazillion questions, would just make me switch banks until I found a non-Gestapo one. I live in one of the smallest European countries that exists, and we have ample choice. The bigger the country, the more options you have. Nobody forces you to stay with one bank for your whole life.
> a weird consistency amongst some of the people who frequent subs like this, /bitcoin, /mstr, etc The only value proposition of BTC is that if they can convince other people to buy it then the price will go up. There is no other use case than buy it and hope someone in the future will pay more for it, that is the entire nature of demand for the asset they have invested in. Unfortunately for them, some institutions are starting to realize that other crypto assets have another source of demand... entities actually needing the token to *use* the network. Every time another major financial institution rolls out a new RWA tokenization platform or a bank launches a rollup, or a payment processor integrates stablecoins... that is a new source of demand for the asset that powers the chain they are deployed on. It also cements that chain into the minds of the tradfi world. Nothing of substance is being built on Bitcoin, so they can't tolerate anyone looking into what is being built elsewhere. That is why they have to jump in and derail any talk about crypto adoption, or god forbid an investor buying anything else. They know that if that happens then people might start to notice that BTC's only selling point can also be applied to other assets, ones which also have more plausibly sustainable demand than just hoping for an infinite number of greater fools. Tick tock.
If you ever got a computer problem, but still have your internet working well enough for teamviewer, you might message me, and i might be able to solve your problem. Payment per started hour is either 36€ via SEPA instant, or 36000 Satoshis on-chain. Yes, i'm still calculating with 100k per BTC despite it having dropped to 75k EUR today. Because i know, in the long run, 100k will be really cheap.
No need to panic, but not any life changing opportunities either BTC being 33% down has still room to go much much lower
People see BTC at 30% down at think its life changing opportunities Buckle up kids BTC can go down 70 80 85% and that would be totally normal
So MSTR only works if BTC goes up?
They need a certain amount of collateral compared to their loans. Their collateral is BTC. And when BTC falls in value, their collateral falls and thus the banks will force them to sell BTC at low prices, further driving down the prices in a downward feedback loop.
get off Reddit and earn some money. Buy a BTC and then you can relax on Reddit again.
I want BTC to explode not to get rich but to shut him up.
You got euphoria in late 2024 when BTC topped against gold. Everything after that was just a function of historically weak dollar during the greatest bull market in history. And BTC still managed to be outperformed by everything. 2025 ATHs were similar non-organic moves like 2nd top in 2021 caused by SBF and Alameda's wash trading. Not to mention BTC managed to go up whooping 2.3% in 84 days this summer when stocks were doing new ATHs daily - that was the biggest red flag for this cycle.
Because BTC has hit new ATH since 2022, ETH at least reached previous ATH, all others like SOL are still down from the last ATH years ago.
I mean is it tho? There's still long ways to fall, and there have been crypto winters like clockwork. Sure, it's a "sale" compared to the euphoria a few months ago, but is this price really attractive, considering it's very likely going to go down a lot more? Either way, it's a good idea to buy when it's blood red and everything is dropping -10% -20% a week. I just personally think it's only starting. Previous top was 69k, btc fell as little as 16k that cycle. So when BTC crashed from 69k to 50k, it was a "blood red" sale time too, yet now we have the hindsight to see that buying at 50k was extremely wasteful, and if you held out a little bit more you could triple or quadruple your purchasing power with the same money.
It's low yes and i don't expect it to go all the way down to 30K. If you want to use the argument that "BTC was worth that much once upon a time" go ahead and argue that you expect it to drop to 1$. It's highly unlikely to see the same drawdown percentage wise as last cycle and it has to, to get as low as 30K. 50K it might if things turn sour. Anyway i asked to get some serious argument because it's something that concerns me. I feel I got none.
For me it was a guy that said 'BTC is never going below 100k again' was funny. It didn't take long to prove him wrong.
Yes but consider the manipulation aspect of things. If the rich are making a killing, they’ll keep repeating the same tactics over and over until the masses stop falling for it. If we look at BTC, the maxis are holding and accumulating right? Institutional interest, use case, storage value interest bla bla all that moves an asset within reason. But what makes BTC move so erratically? If we look at each cycle’s bottom, HUGE sums make the first jump. Then? A bunch of positive media, all those influencers and analysts start blabbering, people start buying and buying, more HUGE sums, organised movements, then we reach high levels were the masses come in and start buying (really high) and lastly retail, and institutions. Then what happens. HUGE sell offs that cause a significant dip (safe to assume it’s the same HUGE sums that bought the bottom?) Then? Follows the bad media. More and more bad media, mass sell-offs by institutions which bought the top, mass selloffs of people who bought the top, more bad media and so down and down it goes. Basically the big fluctuations are driven by the fear and greed index and speculation. The aspect that can be manipulated. If we look at BTC bottom to next BTC bottom each cycle, we can see reasonable and significant growth. It makes sense to assume that’s really the true value of the coin. It’s undoubtedly a playground for the wall street cabal, and as long as people keep acting the same way they do, this will keep on happening.
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