BTC

Blade_Runner_69

Also when bitcoin goes up we are unhappy because we missed the dip and when bitcoin goes down we are unhappy because we ran out of fiat for the month to buy more dip.... The duality of BTC 😅

hoppeeness

I agree recently but alts were ahead of BTC so to me it’s even…usually alts follow BTC so the fact they jumped ahead and are now just back a bit but still higher than a month ago for most. Zoom out

FX_King_2021

True, the point is there’s no safe country if your large BTC holdings are leaked online along with your address. It’s just too tempting for criminals to ignore, and they don’t even need to be from the same country. In many cases, criminals travel across borders to target people, just like OP.

UniversityHelpful823

Bitcoin isn’t what it used to be anymore. It was supposed to be a decentralized, scarce asset outside the control of traditional finance, but Wall Street and institutional players have found ways to influence the market through ETFs, futures, and other paper Bitcoin products. They can create massive exposure to Bitcoin without necessarily buying and holding the actual coins. This means the price can be heavily influenced by derivatives trading, leverage, liquidations, and institutional capital rather than just real demand for BTC. The 21 million maximum supply still matters because you can’t create more actual Bitcoin, but the problem is that the market can trade far more paper exposure than the amount of BTC being directly bought and sold. In other words, scarcity still exists on-chain, but price discovery can be distorted by the financial system. Bitcoin may have a fixed supply, but that doesn’t automatically mean its market price is immune to manipulation anymore.

bitusher

that good that you stopped using them. I would suggest you also stop using the term "25th password" as that term has led to many people losing their Bitcoin especially since we know that 1 , 2 , 3 and even 4 words extended passphrases were being compromised with the cold card exploit This is a horrible term Ledger started marketing which confuses many new users into believing the 25th word passphrase is a single word. Passphrases = **multiple** words , passwords = often single words+extra characters, pins = small set of numbers The extended passphrase should be at least 6-8 random words at minimum to be secure. There is another problem here with that term as well, it insinuates that users should keep the extended passphrase backed up with the existing 24 seed words because its simply another "word" needed to recover the wallet along with the other words (12 to 24) which is incorrect. The extended passphrase would be backed up but kept separately from the 12 to 24 word backup seed. Also there is a third problem with that term as it insinuates that there are only 24 word seed backups and the extended passphrase is the "25th word" which is also wrong. Seed word backups can be 12, 15, 18, 20, 21, or 24 , with 12 being the most common. >Never had a paper wallet get hacked though Many people lost money over the years with these older style paper wallets and for many reasons . One of the main paper wallet generator sites that used to be "legit" became malware and was stealing everyones BTC as one of many examples

sabrina-m-779

A useful distinction is BTC price exposure versus mining-operator risk: power contracts and hardware replacement can change the economics even if the coin thesis stays the same.

sabrina-m-779

The video can be real without proving the 1000x: that depends on his original buy price and how much BTC he kept. A wallet trail could help substantiate the holding part, but the video alone can’t.

Tall-Ad1293

Draw enough purple lines and BTC will eventually go to the moon.

Consistent-Ruin-9488

Nothing wrong with diversifying. I never said go all-in on BTC. But it could outperform other assets and it’s easier to invest in than some others.

Dwaltster

Yeah, he won't. Everyone is confident until it's time to bet against BTC

Zestyclose-Hunter-70

Lol you are making this sound way more complicated than it needs to be. Just put your money into S&P and BTC and you are good and 95% of people are not bad with money, they simply have no money to imvest in the first place

OssoBlanco86

I took my bitcoin and put it on coindepo to let it compound and will most likely never get rid of it. I have recently focused on BTC ETFs in my portfolio which seems to be the way to maximize it’s potential along with other types of crypto that show long term promise, to each their own, good luck!

Steel-Tempered

BTC is mostly meaningless to me aside from profit potential. I don't know why anyone would emotionally invest in any sort of commodity. I have two cheap miners trying to win a block in a lottery format. That's all my investment in BTC amounts to. I bought about $50 of BTC just to see if it goes anywhere, but not planning on any more purchases. If I find a block with my miners, I'm cashing out the 3+ BTC reward immediately to pay bills (and the taxes on the reward itself). I see no future in BTC as a currency or even as a stock investment. It's far too volatile to look at it long term. It feels more like a Pokémon card pack type of thing where you buy a couple packs once in a while and hope you got a rare one in there that you can immediately exchange for cash. Am I losing sleep over this? Nope. Bitcoin is nothing to spend away your life on, financially or emotionally.

Tallwhitedude123

One day you’ll wake up and BTC will be at the HEAVENS aka $1M 👌🏿🧔🏿

Reach_Beyond

I agree. Anything at or above $500k+ means something has gone quite bad with fiat and world economics/inflation. If BTC is at $1M by this point, I’m scared to see how fiat currencies look around the world

georgejetsonn

> in terms of Bitcoin as it was intended (peer to peer money) the ETF is worthless By that argument, so is putting your life savings into BTC, as it was not originally designed as a store of value. People will use Bitcoin by whatever the flavor of the year narrative is

thrwaway1614211

If the only reason btc rises compared to USD is USD inflation, then BTC did not rise at all......

Creepy-Key-2294

To me it looks like the bottom is being bought now, in relation to a usd deprecation coming in the years ahead. By the bottom i mean a large bottom, from 60-100k area, so for eg once Gold appreciates to say around 7000-8000 I see BTC to double from this base. I wouldn't be thinking that DXY deprecation as a catalyst as most other currencies will move together.

Feralz2

thats not really how that works, blackrock is not in the business of holding BTC, they are in the business of extracting fees, it wouldnt have been the right time 10 years ago.

icnews10

Forex Factory is still useful, but it won’t tag events as 'BTC events'. For BTC, I’d watch high-impact USD events such as FOMC, CPI, jobs/NFP and PCE on Forex Factory or TradingView. Then, I’d use CoinMarketCal separately for crypto-specific events such as unlocks, upgrades and listings. However, I’d be careful with any source that claims to know beforehand which events will “highly impact” BTC.

gordonfr_

Taking BTC with you whereever you go, is the main application for BTC today. What is left?

gordonfr_

One should look into tax situation too. In my country, it is more tax efficient to hold and sell BTC, Tax will matter if dreams here come true. But yeah, with all that regulation now, ETF is the future.

sylsau

You cannot be certain about this point. The only certainty you have is that central banks will continue to print ever-increasing amounts of fiat money out of thin air, devaluing the purchasing power of anyone who fails to take precautions. In contrast, you have a guarantee: that there will never be more than 21 million BTC in circulation. This guarantee alone makes all the difference when taking precautions against the implosion of the current system—an event that will eventually come to pass.

sigh_duck

Honestly, I don't blame you. I just dont want to go through the rigmaroll of selling my BTC, fiat conversion and then ETF purchase. If only I could do it with a native BTC deposit straight to the ETF provider.

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eltuna3636

Buy an etf, people here hate it but 5 years from now it’s what 90% of regular BTC holders will be doing

superfatman2

BTC leaving one criminal empire to another. The US is just a mafia

sspecialists

BTC will likely go up, down, and/or sideways by 2030, and, thereafter, by 2032.

sylsau

“It’s in cold storage” shouldn’t end the conversation. Glassnode’s October 8 snapshot puts **1.79 million exchange-held BTC behind public keys already visible on-chain.** These figures measure exposure—not stolen coins. Cold storage keeps private keys offline. It cannot erase a public key from the blockchain. A sufficiently powerful future quantum computer could make that distinction matter. Here’s the uncomfortable part: **When you outsource custody, you also outsource the timetable for protecting your money.** Does your exchange have a migration plan it can explain—and test?

Financial-Milk-7488

I think it depends on many factors. I think realistically 2030 sounds like it’s super far away, but it’s less than 3.5 years away. Things like this take a long time to become normalized and adopted. Think about how little the public “retail” investors really know about BTC. Most people “know what it is” but most people don’t truly know what it is. Especially the main class of people who hold most the wealth (baby boomers and older people in general) have basically no clue what BTC is (on average obviously, not saying any older people don’t know). Also at an institutional level. We’re seeing that start to happen, but honestly I think the CRAZY price levels and gains will happen once BTC becomes the reserve asset of all the major world banks and governments. In my opinion, that isn’t if, but when. And when that happens, it wouldnt surprise me if BTC climbs over the $100T market cap. Overall I think we’re WAY early to BTC and have hundreds if not thousands or years of BTC relevance. If I had to give my absolute best guess, as realistic as possible I’d guess $200k per coin by 2030. TLDR: 2030 isn’t that far away, $200k

classygorilla

Oh, easily. 90+% of people who hold Bitcoin probably only hold it because it's value skyrocketed and actually know very little about what it is. I agree with the other poster, Bitcoin honestly is a fucking trash currency. It just is. It's too complicated. Even the very nature of how it works when it works right offers zero consumer protection. I can and have used my credit cards charge back feature several times. Bitcoin? Fucked. It's gone. I consider myself somewhat savvy about how to use technology, have done the basics for cold storage etc and I'm sweating every time I need to move my BTC and I don't even have a lot. Between that and the swings and more and more it seems to be losing its appeal.

hodler1992

I have the feeling that 1 BTC gonna be 1 BTC 🤯

GreenStretch

I mean it's kind of true, hard for me to keep money in checking or saving, but BTC just grows in the long run and most of the alts I had grew until I got my lambo^(new model of my 20+ year old car).

helen_3410

A flat dollar quote leaves out the benchmark: compare LTC to BTC over the same dates, which is what that pair chart captures.

Least-Dingo-2310

BTC literaly grows by 30% from bottom to bottom

Gitanes

10k. I think we are heading into a big recession. BTC will need to get rid of Saylor first before it can pump again. And that will be painful.

CableDeep8520

If you want to just hodl perhaps consider saving your BTC in a Bitcoin Core node with a VERY STRONG AND LONG password. Backup the wallet.dat to several locations. no entropy issues no supply chain issues no physical loss issues no seed phrases on paper issues no device failure issues. Just a small file to save/backup and a good password to remember/safeguard.

Ukire

You absolutely should not have the amount of BTC represented by $. I get the sentiment but this looks like slop and literally makes no sense.

CyanDew

the peace of liminal BTC

Ok_MakeSomeMoney

Coming from experience it looks like what happened was the supplier sent the units somewhat unfinished. With about 100-200k worth of equipment in 2010 We could mine 30 BTC a month for around a year before the has rate caught up.

EuphoricChallenge890

In theory, the ETF you hold will buy BTC if it is a spot etf and that company issuing the ETF will hold it

JohnBrownisMarching

The Liminal BTC piece

Molasses_Calm

You all don’t see any correlation between BTC price action and the nasdaq? Nasdaq futures just dropped 180 after hours.

Gears6

> I would put my entire savings into one random pharmaceutical company’s stock before BTC again. Why not put some in both, and some other companies? I do.... There's no guarantees and so I wouldn't put all eggs in one basket. You can be concentrated, but not one fatal blow and you're completely out.

Gears6

Yup! I think this is the reason that BTC/crypto can't become a replacement for fiat. It's because, fiat has evolved over time to deal with the sort of things that happens when we have humans involved. It's not simply just trusting the government, but also trusting the organizations handling your money and doing transactions on your behalf.

3cWizard

Did you just end up selling BTC, pay the taxes and then buy in for the ETFs? You lost a chuck to taxes?

Falkenmond79

Yes and no. It was always the three factors of running cost (ie cooling and electricity), initial hardware cost (how long it would take to recoup the initial cost; that was usually 6-12 months and then you would have to still be able to contribute a decent amount… which is problematic since difficulty used to go up and up with the total number of people and hardware Mining) and the current reward per amount of processing power. So, it was always mostly only profitable if you could make a huge initial investment and had cheap electricity. That way you could hope to „beat the odds“ so to speak and go not for pool mining, where you get a fixed amount depending on your mining power, but try and solve blocks yourself. It’s a gamble. Pool mining is usually less but steadier. Finding blocks yourself is absolutely impossible though, unless you have a measurable percentage of computing power compared to the total network. Meaning, the more people are mining, the more difficult it gets. So actually the more of these mining operations fail, the better for the remaining ones. Their share in the total pie gets bigger. But there is a catch. The reward for finding a block gets smaller after a set amount of time. It used to be 50 btc in the beginning for each block found, but quickly reduced to 25. back then I actually found one, with only my measly GPU. Too bad BTC wasn’t worth anything back then. 🤣 But in this case: You don’t have any initial cost. The hardware is just lying there. But it’s probably outdated. So running it vs the electricity wouldn’t be profitable anymore. BUT if you remove that as its primary purpose and instead make heat the actual purpose in order to save on other heating cost, you could as well make it do its original job and mine a few fractions of a bitcoin each day. Might not be much more than a dollar a day or so, but add to that the saved cost in heating… In actuality though, other heating methods would probably be cheaper, per watt of heat produced. But it’s a fun thought experiment. The removal of initial cost of hardware is a big chunk of it.

amputeenager

isn't that the guy that stole everybodies BTC from MtGox?

Educational-Oil-9841

I stopped trying to time it. During the quiet stretches I just park the stablecoin part somewhere that pays something so it's not completely idle while I wait. Been using CoinDepo for that, fixed rate, nothing to do. It's centralized so you're trusting a company and the rate isn't going to make anyone rich, but it beats stables sitting at zero on an exchange for a year. When things pick up I rotate back into BTC and alts.

draculap2020

BTC with no trust mechanism but people use trust for buying cold storage, trusting online exchange ,trusting the store where you are buying. Titanium door and Plastic wall scenario.

Brady113

Same. If it’s now in a bull market then that’s a little disappointing for those who thought it would go lower, but it is what it is and there will be other opportunities. People act like BTC is the only thing you can invest in haha

swiftrobber

Damn bro you must be the pinnacle of what is wrong with BTC community

Vipu2

What will happen to BTC when 95% of people have ETF and very few have actual BTC?

LeviatanSignals

This is absolutely heartbreaking. 🔱 0.9 BTC is a life-changing amount, and losing it due to a failure in Apple’s 'trusted' review process is inexcusable. For anyone reading: This is a brutal reminder that 'Official Stores' are not a guarantee of safety. 1. Always verify the app link through the project’s official website/Github. 2. If an app asks for your seed phrase, it’s 99.9% a scam. 3. Use hardware wallets for anything above 'spending money' amounts. Really sorry for your loss, man. I hope this post gets enough traction to force a response from Apple. Stay strong. ⚓

usedmattress85

Yeah I’m Canadian. We’ve have ETFs years before the USA. I’ve always held my BTC in an ETF, mostly because you can do it in a Tax Free Savings Account so tax free profit. Whereas pure BTC you cannot. Choice is obvious. Plus I’m a dumbass that really can’t be trusted with the keys.

13Angelcorpse6

Number Go Up is about the only thing left that BTC has going for it. BTC fixes nothing more than being the best savings account. I have a multisig setup with BTC advisor. My current contributions are about the same as the 1% fee to BTC advisor.

ComasArentFun

See this is why I hate the BTC community. I love BTC and have a very healthy proportion of my stored wealth in it, but I despise you bitchy little fuckers People went with best practice. Self custody, hardware wallet, supplier rubber stamped by the manufacturer - just like every one of you oh so superior arseholes has been bleating about for years, but because they got caught in a very complex hardware scam that involved the taking over of an entire company, somehow they are suddenly idiots. Take a fucking look at yourselves. This is why BTC isn't viable as a currency and only rises based on the mechanisms of valuation through diminishing rewards. You twats revelling in people losing money because they didn't do it to your standards. This isn't the same as old ladies getting scammed by a phone-call from India. This was a sophisticated and prolonged attack that involved multiple levels of crime Ghouls.

JunoKat

No insurance whatsoever, lost BTC is on ETN holder.

Gears6

> Everyone wants to be their own bank but 99% of the population is too stupid to be their own bank It's not even about "stupidity". It's just normal mistakes, life and being human (heck even machines make mistakes). That said, this is the benefit of BTC that everyone is touting. You are responsible for your own shit, even if you loose it. You can't really undo it by design.

Gears6

Now take into account US stocks into that chart! I think comparing BTC to fiat is misleading, because BTC is used as an investment similar to stocks. I doubt many of us store our daily monetary needs in BTC....

JunoKat

BTC3 fee is 0.05% per annum

Gears6

> I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me, and when it does there will only be BTC. 😍

PaulAtredis

£1,000 a year is tax free in the UK - I'll not hit that with my mining income (though different story when I cash out my BTC savings of course...) I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me, and when it does there will only be BTC.

_SlipperySalmon_

just wait for market correction soon and see how BTC holds up

Kontrav3rsi

Hey, how much energy would it cost to mine BTC if it was 1m a coin?

PsychologicalBit803

So where do you buy and sell crypto? I said plainly I use cold storage. Not arguing for or against it. Do I worry leaving some on a reliable exchange for a bit? No I do not. Do I use exchanges to buy and sell, yes I do. If BTC ever becomes more than an asset to trade I’ll gladly do things differently. What you are describing is an extremely rare possibility unless you are doing things that make it questionable legally. These are just stupid arguments these days. Without exchanges existing there would barely be any BTC trading. I have no idea how much moves outside of exchanges but can’t be much.

ComasArentFun

Because AI is not a source of truth. This is using the power of a magic wishing stick to bolster the argument for BTC and it is not needed. BTC proves itself year in year out. It didn't need AI before and it certainly doesn't need it now. Trust in AI is in the gutter.. this is like asking Epstein his opinions on Women's rights.

Queasy-Ride4291

Then why hasn’t BTC beaten inflation for over half a decade?

ComasArentFun

I'm heavily in BTC, so I know this already. But AI analysis can fuck off and die. It weakens the argument rather than strengthens it.

JaFFsTer

Electricity costs money. If you spend.more than you generate you lose money. Losing 0.4 BTC per year is easy

Practical-Smoke-9337

BlackRock putting out reports with orange highlighted BTC lines now, the timeline is getting weird

Aromatic-Minute-229

You could take out a loan on coinbase, buy STRC or SATA and get paid out dividends at 12-13%. That's more than enough to cover the interest accumulation on the loan. If BTC drops fast, you can always just sell some of the stock to repay the loan.

SAAGASolve

You can make a stable coin on btc. Have a token off of a UTXO like with taproot assets and have it redemable ofr BTC. You can litterally make your own. How do you know a stable coin has the us treasury behind it ;)

quintavious_danilo

Agreed. Not sure why anyone would download anything different than Blue Wallet or Blockstream Wallet for their BTC.

Pleasant_Maybe_5523

Sounds pretty risky tbh. If BTC drops hard, you could lose your collateral and still have a bank loan to pay off. I wouldn't take that kind of stress.

ADD-DDS

Yeah but a heat pump can’t mine BTC

Fluid_Blacksmith560

What can you buy with BTC, other than fiat currencies and a coffee at some cafe in El Salvador?

oneothergamer

Paper BTC is a way bigger problem IMO

kgsphinx

With that much hardware, they probably mined plenty of BTC and made a decent profit. You should change the title to “closed” from “failed”. They could salvage some of that. Definitely should have cleaned up their mess though. That’s always annoying to me. Leaving crap for others to clean up.

JollyInspector3387

That's a properly grim situation, and the silence from Apple after you've done everything by the book is the part that really grinds. 0.9 BTC is a life-changing sum for most people, not just a casual loss. The bit about signature verification is spot on. On desktop you can build from source or at least check a PGP sig, but on iOS you're completely boxed in by whatever Apple decides to rubber-stamp that day. Their review process seems to care more about in-app purchase rules than actually catching outright impersonations.

Shoddy_Peanut7320

Nobody can call it from here, but a few measurable things separate “another cycle” from “structural decline”: whether altcoin volume and open interest are rising or falling against BTC, how many coins have real revenue (fees, users) that you can check on-chain, and whether stablecoin supply on those chains is growing. Alts are a poor group to treat as one asset, since a few with real usage can do well while most go to zero. Looking at past cycles, they’ve lagged BTC for long stretches before moving, so a rule written down in advance (for example, a position size cap and a review date) beats trying to time it. If you’re sorting coins by quality, Cymetica’s Gem Screener ranks tokenized crypto apps and chains by upside versus revenue, which is one way to filter for real usage.

crunchyeyeball

Not usually a fan of AI, but while trying to get some translations, Google AI seems to have nailed it: > This image appears to show a fake or heavily modified Bitcoin Core wallet screenshot, likely used as part of an online scam. You cannot spend this money because the funds are not real. Several technical inconsistencies in the screenshot indicate that it is a simulation or a falsified mockup: > > Fake "Wallet.dat" Scam: This exact layout—showing an old Bitcoin Core interface with a balance around 107.59 BTC—is a well-known template widely distributed online. Scammers often sell or share fake wallet.dat backup files claiming they contain millions in "lost" Bitcoin that just need a password to be cracked.

TheresNoSecondBest

I can also link to a random watch wallet with 100 BTC.

tenor_tymir

Thanks, so far all of my UTXOs are >0.01BTC, so I’ll do what I do best: absolutely nothing.

Alfador8

A few things: When consolidating you want to send multiple UTXOs to a single address in a *single transaction*. Send it all at once. This avoids address reuse. As far as privacy, the consolidated UTXO will inherit the KYC of every individual UTXO, so it's best to consolidate UTXOs from the same source. For example, if you have several UTXOs that all came from Coinbase, consolidating those doesn't impact privacy, since they all share the same KYC profile. Finally, there's no real reason to consolidate *all* your UTXOs. The generally recommended size for a UTXO is greater than 0.01 BTC, to mitigate the impacts of a possible high fee environment in the future. If you have UTXOs that are at least this size, you don't really need to consolidate them into larger UTXOs. 

PublicBarracuda5311

>you do in fact lose out on the value of it at the time you lost it Which was around 2012. What was BTC price back then? Exactly. BTC is only worth the capital invested until you sell. Think about it.

TexFarmer

How are you going to transact BTC in a wallet? Are you going to hand the USP stick to the merchant? Or are you going to print that BTC on paper and hand it to the merchant?

-Zeleios-

We're in /Bitcoin not in na envoronmental save the Planet subireddit. So the e-waste problem Is neglectible (as It Is Is in general for the ASICs). But if you feel good coming in cryptocurrencies subs and shouting about e-waste, even if Is a non-existing problem for BTC, go on... it's still virtue signaling by definition

devCheckingIn

BTC is a poopypants.

Mediocre_Job8085

Both are IOUs — the only real question is which custodian you're lending to: Coinbase (cbBTC) or BitGo with the Justin Sun JV involvement (WBTC). For your use case the ticker matters less than the venue: as a DeFi float you trade against, cbBTC on Base has the liquidity and volume, while WBTC on Base is basically not a market. For savings, remember wrapped BTC is a loan of your keys to an issuer — 25% exposure for yield is a defensible bet, just don't let "it's only a quarter" quietly become most of your stack. Native self-custody for the core holding is still the boring-but-correct answer.

jguest1105

Yep, both are risky. Although, your Bitcoin will get stolen for sure, and faster, if they steal your BTC wallet rather than your email and shipping address.

ximogui

Prediction Markets on crypto price literally just follow price movement. BTC falls 8%, this is what happens to this market.

quintavious_danilo

I took out a loan and used the funds to buy BTC. I consider this the right move while we are in a bear market. I can easily cover the loan installments out of my salary. Although I will have effectively paid an extra $4k by the end of the 3-year term, I am firmly convinced that I will have generated double the loan amount by then. However, I am not using my BTC as collateral; it is a standard loan.

quintavious_danilo

How is the difference tiny? BTC just gained 40% in less than 2 weeks.

TheresNoSecondBest

If I had a certain amount of BTC and lost one third of my private key, I would for sure contact someone who thinks doing research is asking AI and plastering my story all over the internet.

RXrenesis8

I am too? Did you read what I wrote? TLDR: even with BTC + heat the miners still come out behind.

xirvin

There’s a wallet company that has a firmware check every time you turn it on. The case is transparent, so users can see if there’s any tampering. The wallets are serialized from factory to ensure that wallet IDs match the serial numbers from the company. The challenge is that any hardware wallet will face many attack vectors. Just failing one attack vector can cause irreparable damage to its reputation, which is why I won’t name the company. This company’s firmware is now secure, but the cost of its bug fix amounted to a staggering 130 million USD in lost funds. As a consumer, you need to be vigilant and proactive to avoid becoming a victim. If you’re not tech-savvy, it’s best to just hold BTC in an ETF.

Blooberino

Imagine buying your wallet from an unknown cheap secondhand reseller to save a few bucks on storing your $6.6m of BTC

three-sense

1BTC

StrangeInsight

... I'm pretty sure that Bitcoin exists without mining. The incentives to finish mining will fluctuate, but with or without the entire supply available BTC is here to stay.