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nugymmer

Yep, and those shitty alt coins will never replace BTC, EVER.

davidmiller1970

Conversational Hey there! Congrats on... whatever it is you're celebrating! New Bitcoin milestone? First successful trade? Or just feeling the general crypto excitement lately? Either way, the enthusiasm is contagious. What's got you popping the champagne? I remember how stoked I was when I made my first full BTC purchase years back.

FromThePits

I have made an ultra long term commitment with some of my BTC. Because the potentiale heavily outweighs the risks, I crafted a multi-sig solution last year to keep bitcoin in my family for at least the next 4 generations. The method, which I call the Greek Chain is published on the internet, for free. You can find the link on my profile if interested. No paywalls or adds.

EnemyTerritory315

I see you made a small error with the line from March 2024 to November 2024, this caused you to miscalculate the top. BTC is going to reach same value as 4 billion kilograms of gold.

MechRxn

Also, I just want to notate, I have value in BTC stemming from 2015, so I’ve been in this long enough, and I’m not delusional to think it’s anything other than “hold” and get rich and get out. I want to believe in it, but the evidence tells me otherwise. It is absolutely not a hedge on inflation

MechRxn

….but it’s not a hedge on inflation, like at all. We saw what happened to the price of BTC the minute inflation was running on the US economy - it crashed. It is highly speculative gambling at best. The global banking system is far superior to crypto - do you fully believe crypto, which is 24/7, should be a stronger brand of financial strength? I’d argue there needs to be hours / caps on global financial markets like there currently are for a myriad of reasons. Imagine being asleep at 3 am and you wake up to find out BTC crashed 90% due to some unforeseen event, should that be allowed to occur for something that revolutionizes monetary policy? No, no it should not. The point I’m making is that everyone says exactly what you said, but doesn’t provide hard evidence of what it does that is a net benefit compared to the current financial system. Healthy financial systems have checks and balances on underlying vehicles - crypto has significantly more risk than this. I am trying to be shown hard evidence of it being anything other than a pyramid scheme.

skydiver19

If you work a dead end job, the best investment you can make is not in BTC but in yourself. Use your money to increase your value to others. I once worked in a supermarket stacking shelves about 15 years ago. I taught my self to program, I hustled, got into skydiving where I met all kinds of interesting people many who owned their own companies. One such person a CEO of a tech company saw something I made and offered me a job due to the potential he saw. That opportunity opened a lot more opportunities where I ended up creating my own company with the CTO of the original one I worked at as an angel investor. I sold my interest in that company and now living in Thailand. A country btw which introduced 0% capital gains on crypto in 2025 until at least 2029. FYI , i also own BTC and a whole coiner.

tzimek

I got a pet project I was playing with - I am monitoring the top 30 trading wallets from hyperliquid (with weekly rotations - to pick the best 30). I got an alerting signals there, with a lot of data I am storing and gathering. I am curious if this is something people would want to pay for? What should I add there? I am curious if this is useful for anyone outside of me ;) Below an update that happens every 1h: **📊 TOP 30 TRADERS POSITIONING REPORT** Date: November 29, 2025 08:02 UTC ═══════════════════════════════════════ **💰 COMBINED CAPITAL: $184M** 📈 Net Position: SHORT $587.2M (1% long / 99% short) **═══ SMART MONEY SCORECARD ═══** **─── BTC ───** 📊 1 long, 21 short → Net: SHORT $364.5M 📍 LONG Avg Entry: $91,030 📍 SHORT Avg Entry: $101,690 (range: $89,967-$112,565) 💰 Aggregate P&L: ✅ $+45.2M (+12.4%)    LONG: 0/1 winning (0%)    SHORT: 20/21 winning (95%) 🎯 Key Levels:    Support (long entry): $91,030    Resistance (short entry): $101,690 (... few more coins...) ═══════════════════════════════════════ **🔥 MOST POPULAR POSITIONS** (by total volume): 1. **BTC**: 1 long, 21 short → Net: SHORT $364.5M    Consensus: ❌ BEARISH (95% short) (.. + few more...) ═══════════════════════════════════════

Hidden5G

Bitcoin might have a decent “risk-reward” setup right now, but that’s still just a bet on price movement. It doesn’t change the simple truth that Bitcoin’s entire market behavior is driven by speculation, leverage, and macro mood swings. Fact. Even the analyst admits the current setup only looks good because BTC has already priced in a ton of fear. That’s not strength…that’s volatility. A possible rebound doesn’t turn Bitcoin into real financial infrastructure. It still isn’t built for payments, settlement, or regulated banking rails. So if someone wants to gamble on a bounce, fine..but don’t confuse a speculative setup with actual utility or long term purpose.

etern1ty0

I’ll buy one BTC for $14.

Crypto_4_Cash

A bit late to join the party, no? Unless you're buying WHOLE coins nowadays, or doing massive leverage trades, you're not really going to get rich. Sorry to break it to you. You're about 5-6 years late to the party. Some will say you're 13 years late, but I'm no BTC OG myself, so 5 is sufficient.

One-Tough9061

Maybe use BTC as collateral when you need some big purchase?

OkMathematician168

I asked chat GPT. Here are top 5 in the next 5-10 years BTC, ETH, SOL, BNB, XRP or LINK

Seattleman1955

I think it was more a matter of waiting for the market cap to grow large enough they one could sell that much and not crash the market and therefore the price. Some had enough BTC that the market price would crash before they could ever sell all they had.

JudgeCheezels

BTC and ETH. Then XRP, SOL and maybe HBAR. I know the latter 3 people love talking mad shit about it, but they’re here to stay for many reasons, both logical and illogical.

Godrayoae123

In the crypto verse 5 years it’s a loong. No one can know the future, but I like to see the comments with everyone trying to pump their bags lol. Bitcoin is still king and as the strongest changes. Another awesome option having real app, plenty dev, biggest revenue and adoption from The real world is Solana. Didn’t saw a single person mention this one. I would stick with BTC and Sol (80%-20%) ration just to be safe. Always monitor as this can change in a blink of an eye

rmcandre

Conversational Ah, the classic pattern-based prediction! I've seen so many of these over the years. What's your methodology here? I remember in 2017 when people were drawing triangles saying BTC would hit $100k by 2020. These predictions are fun but always take them with a mountain of salt. Which pattern are you looking at specifically?

Diamondhandatis

Nobody knows the public key, so it’s safe from quantum computers. The whole point of BTC is that these addresses must never be used. Even if I would regret it, I would destroy the file (if there was wallet.dat on it, seed phrase didn’t exist at the time anyway)

HighSolstice

21 BTC is probably enough to call it quits, otherwise just keep stacking.

EduardsGrebezs

Going for next BTC.

Froz3n_Cornchip

My daily DCA is $30. If I was doing that 13 years ago I’d be buying 2 BTC a day. Oh well.

CatButtHoleYo

But still worth 1 BTC

MakeItMine2024

If MSTR has no debt they would have already been taken out for their roughly 650,000 BTC. That is a staggering amount and anyone trying to replicate that amount would send BTC well over 200,000. They should have a generous premium to their holdings. JPM Chase is shorting to down play this and if they are successful will either directly or indirectly try to buy them out. It’s a big corrupted scam. Are they using real shares to short or phantom shares ( look up what those are). The whole thing is going to Backfire on them. Of the 20 million BTC’s ever mined it is estimated about 15% -18% are lost forever. MSTR controls about 4% of the total supply.. to put on perspective only about 24 entities could achieve this ever. MSTR should issue more stock and use all proceeds to acquire more BTC.

VariatCA

It's been pretty wild tracking short/long position volume since BTC wicked down to that ~80k bottom last week. New short-position pressure has been *immense* and has generally been outpacing longs by a ~5% differential, at about a 47.5% Long / 52.5% Short split aggregate across the exchanges. This incessant short pressure, which amounts to about $3 Billion more shorts than longs *every day this past week* has been going on while stocks have posted 5 straight green days and BTC is back up ~$10k from the recent low. Shorts are furiously trying to outlast a recovering market ahead of improving monetary conditions with QT ending and another potential cut on the horizon, possibly hoping they can strong-arm BTC's recovery until the stock market falters again. But with that much short-leverage piling up, it won't take much more until the dam begins to break on them. This morning's brief 2k candle was just a sneak peak if the markets can hold strong.

TheUnholyMoly

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/s/zMqibsJY6o I shared this a couple weeks ago, it's a visual representation of how your DCA buys less BTC over time

djgrinn

Just checking into the daily! With BTC hovering around 210k, I'm curious if anyone else is adjusting their DCA strategy during this post-halving bull run. Been increasing my stacking by 15% monthly since October and feeling pretty good about it. Anyone else making moves lately?

YogurtCloset3335

I read all of these big futures bets as an attempt to prove ownership of the BTC casino. If indeed the casino IS completely rigged, what's the point of trading? They're trying to create despair and encourage capitulation.

markaction

ETH, when the network has high-usage, is deflationary. That is better than what BTC can offer. Even if not deflationary, it is better than what FIAT can offer.

ubermensch1001

To be honest, I want to accumulate as much as possible while I can. I think we maybe have until the 2028 halving/post halving cycle to buy up a reasonable amount of sats. However, I'm by the next cycle when things start heating up it might cost 25-50k for just 0.1 BTC. Hell, there are only a little over 8 million addresses with more than .01 but under .1 BTC. The vast majority of people are still sleeping on this asset and are going to be completely left behind in a relatively short span of time.

PornForThis

I gambled away 1.2 BTC on Bustabit back in the day when 1 BTC was only about $1200 😭

ubermensch1001

That's exactly why I just cannot see people who buy BTC would just stop accumulating once a certain amount was hit. However, I do think there is a point where the increases in your stack at a certain point might be negligible. For instance, let's say you had a whole coiner who bought in a while ago that has $500/month he could throw in. In a year he could maybe get another .05-.06 or so, but in the not too distant future this might only be .01 per year or even less.

moneyman567

I'm not familiar with a token called "CMC20" specifically - it sounds like you might be referring to tokens listed in the top 20 on CoinMarketCap? For any crypto investment, here's a research framework: 1. Check the whitepaper - understand the actual use case 2. Review the team's experience and track record 3. Look at GitHub activity to gauge development progress 4. Examine tokenomics (supply, distribution, vesting) 5. Check reputable sources like Messari or The Block Be wary of small cap tokens with limited history. Always DYOR and remember that technical analysis has limitations in crypto's volatile market. Consider starting with BTC/ETH while you build knowledge.

DarknessTheKidd

I think about this a lot actually! Everyone has different "enough" levels. Those 3 BTC from 2018-2020 might be someone's retirement goal, while another person won't rest until they hit double digits. It really comes down to your life goals and risk tolerance. I personally switched from "accumulate at all costs" to a more balanced DCA approach last year. Do you have a personal "enough" number, or are you planning to stack sats indefinitely?

ubermensch1001

I should have worded this where you have someone under 40 who wants to use BTC as a long term asset to hold.

ubermensch1001

That's exactly what I'm getting at. Would this yearly contribution be a certain percentage of leftover $ on hand or how would you figure that? For instance, that guy in the first example I provided who owned 3 BTC would need to accumulate .15 BTC per year, which is not quite $14,000 right now. Depending upon his income, this could be fairly comfortable or maybe where he is having to sacrifice things like a vacation, hobbies, etc.

Possible-Magazine23

Agree. But those 3 have degrees in Mathematics, CS, and Economics, which are BTC's anchoring concepts. I'm just trying to say it's hard to tell people about BTC even for those well educated in these fields.

s74-dev

1 BTC at 5.3 million would mean BTC has absorbed 100% of world GDP.......

Luis221231

You don't have to go this far to buy BTC anonymously, just go to hodl hodl and buy through cash deposit.

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zerolimits0

Disregard any DM's, links, texts, emails, calls. Never put a seed phrase into a website or to any support. Never sign a digital contract you don't 100% understand (so just don't). Best advice, buy BTC on trusted exchange, transfer to private hardware wallet, repeat. Sell for emergencies or life goals (house). Otherwise keep stacking.

Possible-Magazine23

In the past several years, I've only told/asked 3 friends about BTC. All 3 persons are a lot smarter than me (PhDs or post-doc) but none of them could understand or show much interests. I realized BTC is just something that you either "get it" and start buying or don't get it and no matter what others are saying. Since then, I just shut the fuck up and quietly buy.

djgrinn

Wow, you're really putting your money where your mouth is! That kind of conviction in BTC is what this community is built on. Hope it works out well for all of you - could be the best financial favor you've ever done for them.

road22

I did something similar at the Thanksgiving dinner in 2017 when BTC was moving from 5k to 7k (Thursday/Friday). I told my brother if he put in $2000, then I would also give him $2000 worth of BTC on his coinbase account. He was happy because in the first part of December he had close to $10K worth of Bitcoin. Then in mid-December BTC is $12K and my brother maxed out his credit card to buy more BTC on coinbase. Back then Coinbase accepted credit cards. I did not find out til later. Then BTC is up to $20K, and he is selling other things that he does not need to buy more. And I suggested he slow down. My brother had no investing experience. Then the floor fell out and it dropped down to $6k, and he sold everything just to pay off his credit card. He has never touched BTC again and my whole family would rather I not talk about BTC at family gatherings.

Pound-Capable

VOO and BTC is my plan. I don’t know what I’m doing though.

holditownit55

I think its the later. If one is putting their earnings into BTC to protect it from currency debasement, it makes little sense to trade it back for fiat. Savings are for saving. Most well off people already have a mortgage/home. They already have reliable transportation. What would I exit my best performing asset for?

Zephyr__YT

Who is fearful? BTC is up 10k in the last week.

OneFormal4075

A couple of fair points at face value, but they weren’t based on truth. You said, “Mining cost follows price.” That’s true in the short term, but irrelevant in the long term. Mining cost doesn’t set the price — it anchors it. If BTC’s price collapses, unprofitable miners shut down, difficulty falls, and equilibrium returns. That’s a self-balancing cost floor, a dynamic that gives Bitcoin real economic gravity. ETH staking has no such mechanism — yield adjusts with governance and network policy, not immutable math. --- Then you said, “Scarcity is guaranteed by math, not difficulty.” Exactly — and Bitcoin’s math is difficulty. The difficulty adjustment literally locks in issuance pace and preserves that mathematical scarcity. ETH’s supply, meanwhile, has changed how many times now? EIP-1559, the Merge, burn/issuance tweaks… it’s monetary policy by committee. Bitcoin’s schedule hasn’t — and can’t — and that’s why it’s credibly immutable. ETH’s “scarcity” is policy-based 😂 BTC’s is physics-based. Big difference. --- “The coal and diamonds analogy is garbage.” No — you just misread it. Coal = abundant, cheap, easy to produce, huge utility but little scarcity premium. Diamonds = scarce, hard to extract, less useful, but massive monetary premium. That’s Bitcoin vs Ethereum in a nutshell. ETH has more use cases (like coal has more applications), but it’s inflationary, governance-driven, and far easier to produce. BTC is harder, slower, capped, and therefore stores value far better — like diamonds do. People don’t store wealth in “useful” materials; they store it in scarce, trustless ones. --- “Production cost is just electricity.” Wrong again. Electricity isn’t the value — it’s the proof. That real-world cost gives Bitcoin its unforgeable costliness. You can’t fake work. You can’t “stake” your way into rewriting history 😂 PoW roots Bitcoin’s ledger in physics, not governance. That’s why it’s neutral money, not some “blockspace demand token.” --- ETH’s value comes from blockspace demand — true — and that’s why ETH behaves like fuel, not money. It has utility value like oil or coal: you use it, you burn it. Bitcoin’s value isn’t based on throughput — it’s based on being the final settlement layer for value itself. ETH’s demand swings with DeFi hype; Bitcoin’s monetary premium persists across cycles because the rules can’t change. --- “Bitcoin only has one purpose — store of value.” Exactly. That’s like saying “gold only has one purpose.” Good. That’s why it’s money. ETH’s multipurpose design makes it weaker as money — it tries to be everything and ends up nothing perfectly. --- Your rant accidentally confirmed my analogy: ETH = coal — useful, abundant, policy-flexible. BTC = diamond — scarce, costly, immutable, purely monetary. Cost doesn’t make BTC valuable; it proves its scarcity. That’s why Bitcoin is money, and Ethereum is fuel. And remember: the world’s demand for fuel can change overnight — but the demand for sound money never will.

throwawaymyalias

Only poors self nut-kick. Real playas pay big BTC to get nut-kicked...

Aidenried

Educational While Bitcoin has shown cyclical patterns historically (often tied to halving events), extrapolating to $2 billion per BTC is mathematically unrealistic. That would give Bitcoin a market cap of ~$42 quadrillion, which is 420x the entire global wealth (~$100 trillion). Even assuming exponential growth continues, previous cycles saw diminishing returns: 2013 (~100x), 2017 (~20x), 2021 (~3x). This suggests a maturing market with less volatility in future cycles. It's healthier to view adoption metrics, on-chain activity, and Bitcoin's growing utility rather than focusing on extreme price predictions.

jeffereeee

I bought some in 2014,2016 and 2017. Never sold any until recently. I’ve never been what you call rich. My goal was always to retire by 60. That was my conviction, I had the mindset of “it either makes me enough to retire or I just carry on working till I die. I did sell some as I said, and now I’m retired and travelling the world I keep selling a little from time to time. I have conviction in BTC and I just turned my head away during the huge dips my pot had. Wasn’t easy at first but I got used to them I suppose.

BigPlayCrypto

Me and my homies Don’t do BTC ETF’s boss not at all and never. We need true control. These etf niggs control weaklings with fees we pay enough fees buying and selling Bitcoin. Coinbase would be nothing without fees. Binance would be nothing without fees etc.. Now we got the very companies like Blackrock, Fidelity and politicians selling us what we thought was our internet currency. But BTC on Cash App guys

Practical-Salad-7887

Do you guys honestly think 0.01BTC is going to be worth that much in 16 years? I'm legitimately curious! I know Bitcoin is going to increase in value, but I don't know how much a "life-changing" stake is going to be. Maybe 0.1, maybe 0.5, idk.

binkers87

This November is definitely breaking Bitcoin's usual pattern! It's wild to see what was historically one of BTC's strongest months turning into such a bloodbath. I think the ETF dynamics have really changed the game - institutional money moves differently than retail enthusiasm did in previous cycles. Do you think we'll see more "broken patterns" going forward as institutions become the dominant players? The leverage wipeout seems almost inevitable in hindsight...

KlearCat

> Please tell me what BTC does that revolutionizes banking / investing / monetary policy? Bitcoin is a global, decentralized, monetary network that runs 24/7/265 with a fixed supply. Bitcoin has many use cases. I personally mostly use it as a hedge on inflation. But a network with the attributes I listed above can be used for many things. You ask about monetary policy. If there is a global, decentralized, monetary with a fixed supply that is a benefit to society. Look at monetary policies that are not decentralized. Literally every single fiat currency. Look at failed currencies throughout time. German Reichsmark, Venezuelan Bolivar, Argentinan Peso, Salvadoran Colón, Turkish Lira, etc, etc. These are failed monetary currencies that destroyed lives. It's happening today. Do you not see how a decentralized monetary network could be beneficial? > I would argue that has drawbacks too Nothing is perfect. Bitcoin isn't perfect for every single thing. Of course it has drawbacks. It's not going to be beneficial for everyone. It's not going to be beneficial for every single type of transaction. It doesn't need to be. And if you don't think it's beneficial for you, then don't buy it.

Fearless-Client-5507

Not to mention this one’s fucking SICKKKKK, want to make that CRYSTAL CLEAR ngl im stacking with this site, also remember there’s a cap on BTC , 21 million to be exact not to mention around 450 are getting mined daily, just something to keep in mind !

110010010011

I didn’t sell in 2018 because I didn’t need the money. I bought a new car that year, but paid for it with stock. I also didn’t think BTC was going to zero, so there wasn’t the temptation to jump off the sinking ship. The drop sucked, but it still bottomed out way above where I bought in. My appreciation by 2017 was already so great that capital gains taxes were a major concern if I sold the entire stack. I like to tell people that taxes have forced me to HODL, because it’s kind of true. The loss of funds due to taxes is guaranteed, but the losses due to holding are unknown. I tend to stick with the unknown.

davidmiller1970

What you're describing sounds like wash trading - a form of market manipulation where the same entity buys and sells to create artificial volume and price movement. This happens across many exchanges, especially during volatile periods. With Bitcoin's recent price action, manipulation attempts tend to increase. Rather than reporting it (which rarely leads to action), consider: 1. Using exchanges with better liquidity where 70 BTC orders have less impact 2. Setting limit orders instead of market orders to avoid getting caught in these swings 3. Looking at multiple exchanges for price verification before trading Trading view's exchange comparison tool can help spot these anomalies across platforms.

FootWashian

The high fees you're seeing are for on-chain Bitcoin transactions, which have been elevated lately due to network demand. Lightning Network is great for small transactions but doesn't connect directly to cold storage solutions like Trezor. For lower fees, you have a few options: 1. Wait for the weekend when network congestion is typically lower 2. Use custom fee settings (if available) and choose a lower sat/vbyte rate for non-urgent transfers 3. Consider batching multiple transfers into one transaction if you plan to move more BTC later Cold storage is inherently on-chain, though some solutions like Muun wallet offer both on-chain and Lightning with self-custody features. The fee is worth it for the security of your long-term holdings.

FootWashian

Congrats on hitting the .01 BTC milestone! That's actually a significant achievement - you're now part of the "1% club" (only 1% of the world could ever own that much if BTC were evenly distributed). I've been DCAing through this dip too. Remember the saying - "Time in the market beats timing the market." Those who consistently accumulated during previous bear markets ended up with the best returns. Keep stacking those sats at your own pace!

Spexar

Ahh I see... when ETH is in your 4th house of SOLANA, it forms a square with your DOGE in retrograde which transitions into BTC rising with the new moon.

jordygrant1

incorrect. If it hits 60K they have ZERO, becuase liquidation they arent beeting 30MIL, theyre betting the entire 90MIL if BTC goes to 60K.

bizmitchel

Looking at this without context but I'm guessing it's one of those outrageous BTC price predictions that's all over Twitter these days? The hopium is getting wild out there. Just remember that social media is an echo chamber - whether it's bears claiming BTC is going to zero or bulls calling for $1M. Do your own research and ignore the noise! 😂

Mbyoungs

Mate, I'm intrigued! Did you have a Bitcoin short story to share with us? We all love hearing about those "I bought pizza with BTC in 2011" or "my hard drive with 100 BTC is now in a landfill" tales. Drop it below if you've got one!

Some_Ad934

That's very simple. That's your iq level orbiting the BTC and the moon is "trust me bro"

ImNitefall

Interesting development! Bhutan continues to make strategic crypto moves. Their government has been quietly accumulating BTC for years, and now they're diversifying into ETH staking. For a small nation with limited natural resources, they seem to be positioning themselves well in the digital asset landscape. Validators require 32 ETH each, so that's roughly 160 validators from this move alone. Smart nation-state strategy considering their hydroelectric capabilities could eventually support more mining/staking operations.

Upstairs_Rub_838

Biblically accurate BTC TA

eleftheriosonic

I think there's a third type of hodler you missed: those who forgot about their coins entirely or lost access. Some of the oldest wallets likely include people who can't access their BTC anymore. But for those who deliberately held through multiple cycles, it takes incredible conviction or significant wealth elsewhere. I've been in since 2016 and selling even small portions during peaks has been my strategy - hard to resist taking some profits when you see life-changing money. The psychological discipline to watch millions appear in your wallet and not touch it is truly remarkable. That's why DCA and setting clear targets works for most of us regular folks.

Relevant-Flatworm926

that’s peanuts for BTC

VariatCA

Meta is nowhere near that kind of DCA return. Since the start of 2021, only *two* of the Mag7 would outperform BTC with a weekly D.C.A. purchase. NVDA with a +480% return, and Google edging them out at +140%. Every other Mag7 would *lose*, including Meta which has a weekly DCA appreciation of only +122%. Meta is only +137% above its Jan 2021 value, I don't know how on Earth you came up with a 475% DCA return.

Little-Struggle-8038

To the ones holding yes that’s encouraging. To the ones still waiting that time stamp . Today Black Friday 2025 BTC @ 90.9K

samuscoped

USDT/USDC/BTC/ETH = yes

Decent_Procedure2981

This clears a lot up and really helps me understand the thought process of long term holding BTC. Thanks so much for sharing :D Very kind of you. I think you meet the points I discussed above: 1.) you had money from Tesla and that allowed you to "weather the storm" of BTC. I suspect you probably have money to even invest in Tesla/BTC. My question for you is why didn't you sell BTC in 2017/2018 during the bull run? Could have just offloaded it in case it went to zero for a nice profit. BTC in 2017/2018 wasn't very widespread like now. I theorize you must have wanted to keep holding to see where it went. And had the money to do so. You must have had higher than normal conviction to not sell in 2017/2018. Unless I am totally wrong.

Decent_Procedure2981

I really appreciate this response. It confirmed my thoughts somewhat. I am considering being a BTC maxi as I am now at the point convinced fully by it. Kudos for holding since mid 2017! Crazy to hold so long. Did you ever want to sell near suspected tops/bottoms? Or easier to just hold through it all?

Little-Struggle-8038

Came on my friend, this thanksgiving you didn’t look someone in the eye talking bs about your sats and the laser beam just hit you that hard ? That’s the BTC karma, you must enjoy as much they enjoy not having sats .

110010010011

I purchased the majority of my BTC in January 2015, within days of a multi-year bottom. That purchase made me a millionaire by 2020. I have very low conviction for Bitcoin for someone who has been holding for ten years, so it’s not that. I don’t talk about it outside of the internet and I’m certainly not convincing others to buy it. The enormous drops I’ve experienced is a major reason why. I also wasn’t rich when I purchased in 2015. My net worth was less than $100k at the time. What helped me was another insanely successful investment running in tandem, a Tesla stock purchase made in 2011. Much of my lifestyle inflation came from selling those shares over the years. I didn’t really start selling BTC until a couple years ago, and by then the balance in USD was so large that I could get away with selling only a few percent per year. At this point, my unrealized gains are still well into the seven figures. Selling everything would cause an enormous tax bill. So I just sit back and go with the flow. Just as I have for the past decade. It has been working so far.

Huge_Strain_8714

Welp, I've bought several altcoins and of course BTC and they are ALL down, expect BTC and SOL, and ETH. Last week was rough and this week I'm still down 25%....so, what do you think? Do you like to gamble?

Possible-Magazine23

True. But these days for many average investors just wanted to get exposures to BTC price movement, ETF has a lot more merits - security, tax compliance, proof of asset, inheritance, etc.

UhUhWaitForTheCream

Would you rather a $1000 bag of TRUMP, VRA, ANYONE or BTC

heimos

All of the money laundering in Ukraine goes straight to BTC. See today’s news lol

jkarma21

Do some technical analysis dude. Its not hard to get some basic charting going. You can multiply your percentage gains by selling and rebuying and selling again....of you'd done some TA yiu wouldnt have bought neae the top. Once we hit the depths of the bear market shit is gonna get bad....plus the law of diminishing returns will always come into play. ETH should do better next run than BTC. Good luck tho!

its1968okwar

You are way too cautious. BTC deviates is the way if you want to get rich fast.

TheCurlyHomeCook

I'd say because anyone with a full BTC likely has the conviction not to sell the BTC for money at this point, so 90k ≠ 1BTC. There are many people in the world with 90k who would not put it into BTC. And there are many people in the world with 1 BTC who would not trade it for 90k. So having 1BTC and having 90k are inherently different. As a final point, 1 BTC could be equivalent to 110k or 70k tomorrow. Another reason it is not the same as 90k.

ETHTradr

You need to be careful because if USDC sure that’s a great move imo store whatever you need to buy in crypto fast with it and withdraw to pay bills/have some lifestyle expenses for the bills. You need to however consider the volatility of crypto if it goes against you and you got paid in BTC you WILL have to suffer any consequences that comes with it. Other than that pretty neat to get paid in crypto for sure

Pinewatch762

In commodities, cost of extraction sometimes influences price because supply is physically constrained. But in crypto BTC supply is fixed by code, not by mining cost. ETH supply is determined by burn vs issuance, not by mining cost. If every Bitcoin miner got free electricity tomorrow, 1 BTC would not become worthless. If every miner’s power cost tripled, 1 BTC wouldn’t suddenly be worth triple. Mining cost follows market price, not the other way around. In 2011, it cost pennies to mine 1 BTC. That doesn’t mean Bitcoin was intrinsically worth pennies. Crypto isn’t like diamonds or coal because scarcity is guaranteed by math, not mining difficulty. Security comes from economic incentives, not the cost of burning energy. So that analogy is garbage. It assumes that harder to produce = more valuable. If this were true Gold wouldn’t hold value even when new mines lower extraction costs. Digital assets couldn’t be valuable at all (because “production cost” is just electricity). Bitcoin itself wouldn’t have risen from $0.05 to $125k despite mining difficulty changing by over a trillion-fold. So, to answer your question Cost to produce 1 ETH: 0. Ethereum is Proof-of-Stake. Cost to produce 1 BTC: Whatever miners pay for electricity after the market sets the price. Mining cost follows price, not the other way around.

Spare-Dingo-531

> now that there's so much institutional money in BTC and ETH. Institutional money is just retail money but with bigger numbers. Institutions also sell in bear markets. > I'm not convinced that four year cycles will have a significant impact anymore As long as Bitcoin remains at a bigger market cap than Ethereum, I think 4 year cycles will have a significant impact, if for no other reason than, as each reduction in block supply impacts bitcoin security, more of bitcoin's trillions will migrate over to Ethereum.

Supaflyray

50% of all BTC mining is already done by clean renewable energy like wind, solar, and nuclear. AI is the problem, not BTC. People using AI to AI their friends as potatoes is wasteful. That’s what’s wasteful. AI IS BEYOND wasteful right now. BTC mining is only getting greener and greener. Humans will solve solar energy sooner than you think. It’s harnessing the power is the problem. That sun will always rise and set. And if it doesn’t. We have bigger problems than energy.

VariatCA

Does "reserve of value / store of value" just mean "it will never go down in price in the short-term"? I swear to god, "long term" is measured in weeks by some people here. Why don't you go back and compare BTC's growth over the last 5+ years, compare them to gold/silver, and see how those metals hold up in comparison? Because if you had been just reguarly DCA'ing into Bitcoin over the last 4-5 years, it would have *absolutely* stored the value of your money as well as appreciated much faster than inflation.

Elektroprodukt

He has a hell of a lot more than the average and median BTC holder.

DreamingTooLong

Every 10 deposits to a BTC hardware wallet It’s a good idea to do a SEND ALL to a brand new bitcoin wallet address on the hardware wallet to consolidate all the inputs. Each input cost about $.60 to move When you consolidate all your inputs into one wall address, then it only cost about $.60 to move the entire balance when you decide to move it in the future. It’s like converting 10 $10 bills into a $100 bill

Marcion_Sinope

You have Polkadots. You do not have 1.4 BTC. Should you trade the Polkadots for BTC? Is that your question? Shitcoins were created to separate you from your BTC. They serve no other purpose. Consider yourself lucky to get even a full BTC back.

OneFormal4075

Haha proof of work is "literally shit".... How much does it cost to produce 1 ETH? How much does it cost to produce 1 BTC? ETH has its place but it is not even close after the switch to the Satoshi model. Please before you reply with a sarcastic rant just answer my 2 questions in this post.

RoutinePrice446

Ahh, to experience the pain of only receiving 25 BTC from your home mining rig...

shitcanfly

Well we screwed if Japan increases their interest rates. Investors will run to bonds, yen, gold and silver. Our shitcoin BTC will probably go under 80k

Street_Outside_7228

You’ll build BTC equity way faster than home equity.

okiedokieaccount

Not really. If no one’s willing to pay then is it worth it.  Think of something like your house. You can list it for $10million, and there’s only one house exactly in its location so it’s unique. There’s no offers. By your logic your house is worth $10m. If someone wants that house they have to pay $10m.  I think you’re confusing price and worth.  If there’s a healthy market for BTC or houses there’s buyers assigning a value to what they’re willing to pay and owners assigning a value they’re willing to sell. Where those intersect at any given moment is the price 

Glum-Rate8494

MSTR owns 650,000 BTC. How tf is MSTR not relevant to Bitcoin. They are one of the largest advocates, pioneers, and investors of spot Bitcoin. Any notion that’s suggests MSTR is not relevant to Bitcoin is blatantly ignorant & just pure FUD.

Swapuz_com

1. **The kids will understand. BTC will remember.**

Swapuz_com

Every “BTC IS DEAD” is a brushstroke on the survival canvas. Every “BTC IS A BUBBLE” is a shadow on the legend.

Hidden5G

Fun fact : ..One single Bitcoin transaction uses about as much electricity as an average U.S. home does in a month. Mining a whole Bitcoin block?..That’s enough power to run hundreds of homes for a short while. The entire Bitcoin network every year? It’s like keeping a small city lit all year long. Every time BTC moves, a lot of energy is getting burned.

linuxmeaningfully

IMO stack more bitcoin. You can setup a BTC wallet on an old phone (Cupcake, Bull Wallet, etc) or laptop (Sparrow) (ideally, not connected to the internet) and get comfortable to moving money that way. You can always move the seed phrase or sweep the sats to a new wallet later You’ll hit a point where you feel you need more security and get a wallet. I think similar to other commenters it should at least be 0.01 BTC / 1 million sats per UTXO. Look up videos from BTCSessions for learning to custody your coins. He goes over various hot and cold wallets