BTC

Exact_Physics4224

Happens all the time, would take a scandal similiar to FTX or equivalent. BTC has not even hit a weekly uptrend yet

anymonero

SOL/BTC isn't below 2022 lows?

LeMoofins

It’s over bro. Crypto is on the way out. We might have a pump, maybe even see new BTC ATH, but our cultural moment has passed and the opportunity was not seized.

Paratrooper2000

Should I convert my ETH to BTC if I plan to hodl for 2+ years?

Able_Breakfast_3314

Well technically you dont need to show ID to mine for BTC etiher

Bibibis

Which cannot be said for BTC nor ETH. So who's the meme coin here

Deori1580

BTC Power Bottom

Get_the_nak

Do you mean the ACTUAL bottom or the lowest before Uptober?  We have seen below 60k and now we’re fighting for 80k.  Investors ate adding BTC to their portfolio (Don’t add more than 5% is the new advice).  This is going north fast!

creative_usr_name

Lack of regulations makes the BTC transition potentially quicker. The problem is what to do with all the vulnerable coins that don't make the transition.

One_Emu5299

DCA, and make sure you diversify and don't have all your money in BTC

creative_usr_name

Don't trust, verify applies to using BTC not obtaining it. In Satoshi's days anyone could mine easily on their home PC, or get it P2P, no one was buying from exchanges with KYC. ACIS miners have changed who is mining, but not how, and not how transactions work. No one is stuck on exchanges unless they choose to stay. There are more self custody options than ever (not necessarily all perfect)

palmdata

miners are still doing the boring math: ~$36.5/PH/day means a 200 TH box is about $7.30 gross/day before power, pool fee, and rejects. wall watts plus a 24h accepted-share report beat the BTC headline.

AsSheDoes

Be careful buying non kyc BTC. Like don't put it on exchanges or comingle with wallets that could eventually go to exchanges or have ever been associated with exchanges. That will flag your accounts and worse. P2P is essentially considered pirate 2 pirate. And while there is good to be said about it, you will have to be very careful where you spend it. It's very hard to launder crypto. Not yelling you what to do. But really read on self sovernty of your crypto.

gatot3u

Orange Shark = Buy BTC. Copy!

Fun-Analysis-182

Your coins aren't lost, and it's not a SideSwap issue. Liquid paused peg-outs while the federation runs a staged recovery from this week's bug, so nobody can move back to mainchain BTC right now. No public ETA that I've seen, they're reopening functions in stages, so watch Blockstream's official status for when pegs come back.

moonRekt

I guess I’m fortunate that I don’t have nearly 3x my houses value in BTC to use as collateral on a loan and am instead stuck at a 3% loan?? As unpopular as it is, I’m long Coinbase because I do think someday these products may make sense, but gotta say I’m not sold on this proposition but it’s worth looking into and thank you for the post

SeveredBrain2020

Better off selling BTC and rebuilding your stack.

tedusam

"Money" is used for crimes much more than BTC. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Successful_Taro8587

I literally bought like $50 when BTC was at $58k thinking I would save the big money for when it goes lower. I'm crying on the inside....

Truth-Quest

Defintely agree. If we think deep enough i think we will realize that everything is actually just a meme. BTC is a meme - it has value because enough people believe in it. Not too long ago bankers, CEOs and every mom n pop was saying "but BTC has no underlying asset - its intrinsic value is 0" - but now the same bankers are selling btc products. What changed? The belief. Same with dollar. Its a meme and it has value because enough people believe 

throwaway12three4

I went with Fidelity. They have proven BTC assets. After reading up on how they do their holdings it just fits my needs. It also makes it much more of a simple process if something happened to me. My wife won’t have to dig for BTC. If something happened to both my wife and myself, they BTC would probably be lost. My kids could struggle to recover them.

HalcyoNighT

It will follow BTC's lead. Nothing burger.

Griimbald

$50–100/month is totally fine to start. I’d keep it simple with BTC/ETH rather than spreading $5 across 10 different coins

hodler1992

Maybe it's just be but even if I would cash out / trade my BTC in 20 years and the worth would be millions, I wouldn't buy a super expensive car, a yacht or a huge mansion. It's just stupid. I prefer the 10 years old Volvo of Gustavo Fring lol

Brawlah

I have a feeling we have a leg down coming at the beginning (tues/wed) of next week. Hopefully that doesn't lead to too much,but it may. Until BTC hits 81,800 ,no bull run is confirmed imo. I'll pay a little extra and load up once it does. Until then,weekly DCA in.

JimmySki6166

When BTC is at 100k, you’ll wish you purchased @ 75k. When it’s at 200k, you’ll wish you purchased at 100k. Everyone has their own situations, believes. Some like BTC, some do not. You like wine, I like beer? It’s all relative!! Good luck!

GaRGa77

Trezor has BTC only firmware, cold card wasnt the only one

unknowngloomth

You mean big boys like TOM LEE? And they're massively underwater. So what's the point? BTC at least hit new ATHs. So it's understandable that big players prefer it over any other alt.

TravelNo6952

I'm curious what people think the reason will be to break below 50,000. It held in a low range for 3 months during a difficult macro economic environment. I'm generally bearish on BTC and don't buy into the "it will be worth 1 million in 3 years" hype, but I also don't see it hitting the 40k range without some kind of major unforeseen economic event.

Active-Ad8057

BTC code/ block chain will be compromised by AI ( so I've read )

Laukess

>No margin calls if BTC dumps. They only touch your BTC if you miss payments for 60+ days.

GaRGa77

I would keep BTC separated on a BTC only wallet

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Objective_Basil_8414

Honestly the most alarming comment in the thread. Two BTC on an exchange you can't even name is worth an hour of your time this week. Searching old emails for the signup or deposit confirmation usually surfaces the name straight away.

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Substantial_Taste779

huh? do you understand BTC?

Szangalar

What happens to the big addresses, which won't upgrade to PQ, and those BTC could potentialy be stealed? This is simply not so easy as you think it is, and Bitcoin being decentralized means that coordination between the nodes, miners and community for any critical change is HARDER, not easier. Banks are centralized entities, for them to do upgrade is far easier, because they don't need to coordinate with their clients or marketing to make PQ transition. You have it all backwards without ansering any question (conviniently). "It's going to adapt and it's going to do so easily and readily - if for no other reason than it can." Claiming that doen't make it true. So far Bitcoi has in fact failed on any important improvements. If proposition to increase block size, to make it more scalable and usable didn't go through, then much more complex change like PQ, that has many issues with old wallets, seems much harder. "As Quantum Computing improves, they could just augment the Difficulty Adjustment." The thing that is mostly endangered are ECDSA signatures, not Difficulty adjusment - this is another way Bitcoin is not sustainable with halvings, as security budger is pretty much halved every 4 years (and tx fees are less than 1% of reward for miners almost all the time).

StealthExplorer

Got tired of trying to predict a bottom, now I DCA weekly and keep a stash of STRC for black swan dump when I will flip that into BTC. If it doesn't dump, no issues. Not watching any signals/charts/influencers. No one knows.

Objective_Basil_8414

The uncomfortable version is that altseason was never a season, it was a liquidity condition. 2017 and 2021 both ran on cheap money plus a wave of new buyers who had no clean way to get leveraged BTC exposure, and ETFs absorbed that second group entirely. Also worth noticing: "would I buy this same bag today at this price with fresh money" feels like a totally different question from "should I sell", even though it's the same decision. That gap is the disposition effect, not analysis.

yankeevandal

If quantum is cracking BTC it's also cracking AES128 so many, many other areas are profoundly at similar risk.

dannyBitcoin21

When people stop trading and believe in something…. BTC 🤝 SPX6900

PotentTurnip

According to the BTC Power Law chart, we're around the bottom now. However, take that with a grain of salt.

LowEggplant7207

Choppy sideways action until November then BTC will start rising towards 250k by 2029

ximogui

My feeling is - everyone who owns BTC right now either believes that we are in the start of the bull market or is waiting to buy more on one "final" capitulation before the bull market begins in October. What that structure means - any actual dip in BTC will get bought aggressively. Even on high inflation news that makes a rate hike almost certain, BTC is flat. If there were going to be new lows in September, rate hike would be the catalyst. The market is shrugging it off right now. It's possible the macro environment deteriorates to a degree that we carve out new lows in December/January, but it feels like bad news is good news in BTC world right now. 30Y and 10Y at 20-year highs causing BTC traders to expect eventual QE. If war ends and 30Y/10Y fall, also supports risk-on. Either way says BTC up. Also, something I think 4-year cycle purists have been missing is that BTC traders have started to front-run expected cycle times. We saw fresh ATHs way earlier last cycle then in previous cycles. Also, the heavy sell-off in February seemed to be front-running the bear market. We didn't meaningfully move below the Feb low of $60k all year. I expect that dynamic to continue, meaning ATHs end of 2027/early 2028. No one wants to be behind the trade.

Witty-Internet-8708

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LukaBrasi87

Waiting for BTC to crash below 40,000. Will DCA more aggressively then and wait for the next cycle.

TeachingWhich2776

1. Never Sell 2. BTC Markets or Independent Reserve are the best platforms to buy in Australia

devCheckingIn

Dogecoin does have utility though. It's a proof-of-work network like BTC but with an inflationary supply (with a decreasing rate of inflation), meaning it's a cryptocurrency designed for spending and transactions. Now with stablecoins taking the spotlight maybe it's not so useful anymore.

GabeDef

Tether prints its own coins to buy BTC. It is a scam used to inflate BTC prices. Prove me wrong.

Worldx22

If BTC is $80k you can expect to pay $95k

ForVictori

In other words they rehyp your BTC? No thanks. I’ll stick with Ledn

Able_Breakfast_3314

But thats what BTC acts like...cash. You can send it anywhere you want without permission. BTC way easier because you can send it anywhere instantly. Having your BTC on an exchange is like having your money at a bank or brokerage. The institution or the government can stop any transfer they dont like

BlazingPalm

Would rather a normal BTC for cash loan. For that overcollateralization, you can do more advanced liquidation loss.

JimmySki6166

I own Bitcoin and have it stored in cold wallets. If someone holds BTC ETFs, and it’s on exchanges, they don’t have full control or ownership of it, correct? It is easier per say, instead of cold wallets etc, but I don’t see the point

Fun-Analysis-182

Exactly. Bitcoin's chain and rules were never touched. Liquid is a separate federated sidechain, and the real BTC that left was sitting in its peg wallet, released because Liquid's software got fooled into signing it off, not because anything in Bitcoin broke.

Reasonable_Band1536

Aren’t rates around 9-13% with a possibility of liquidation due to the volatile nature of BTC?

PeteyPab305

DYOR! Not a single person can answer this because no has a crystal ball. If inflation accelerates it could be $1,000,000,000 USD to 1 BTC or it could be $250,000 to 1 BTC there's so many factors at play for a fixed global unit of account, It could even be that 1 BTC = 1M Chinese Yuan, depends on what the global monetary system does. The thing that can be said with the most certainty is that it will be worth enough to buy a house a car and still pass along something to your kids. That I believe.

waltotheter

The genesis block had the times headline.. but there was no mainstream news of BTC back then.. in 2010 Slashdot did an article, that might be considered the "first" mainstream coverage

lobhater

This is why I think BTC will go up in value. It is the one thing that has always stuck out to me. Anonymous transactions was dubious from the beginning and has been proven a lie so many times. With KYC exchanges it further complicates things. But the one thing they can't tarnish is how many BTC will exist

Upset_Albatross_9179

I think this highlights two points that many people seem to gloss past or intentionally ignore in the crypto space. 1) Value / marketcap and utility **are not the same thing**. Often utility can drive value. Sometimes tokenomics and investment value is directly opposed to making a coin useful. But a coin that does something besides be a store of value well does not need to be a good investment or have a large market cap. One is gambling / investment, one is usefulness as a tool. 2) There's a difference between a memecoin and a shitcoin. Sometimes memcoins are shitcoins. But dogecoin has good fundamentals as a cryptocurrency. Its primary difference from BTC is its inflationary tokenomics. It's a decentralized proof of work coin. It's a real cryptocurrency, just not built around store of value or investment. Same as litecoin.

Charming-Animal-8856

Yeah, BTC is not the same but it's a slow grind lowerm

bigcoumbe

Just get to 0.21 BTC. After that it’s personal preference

Queasy-Ride4291

One time I almost bought BTC. Good thing I didn’t, since I never Thad the opportunity to lose it. 

gihkal

Cash will be eliminated in our lifetimes. (Under 50 years). North Korea is well known to be printing large amounts of usd, euro and cad. South America, with Colombia and Peru being or concern are making huge amounts and we don't have any concrete answers to how much is being printed. There have been insane estimates from North Korea making counterfeit USD. First the banks will have serial number scanners that watch for the issue. Then we will quite quickly find out that the issue is far bigger than previously thought. Then people will wish they're holding BTC. It'll be messy and it's inevitable.

Queasy-Ride4291

 Considering over the last 5 years BTC is 13% below inflation, you may want to re-think your strategy. 

na3than

In 10 years 1 BTC will be a little more than 1/21000000 of all Bitcoin. In 20 years 1 BTC will be a little more than 1/21000000 of all Bitcoin.

richardto4321

If all you do is DCA, you're automatically "doubling down" in a bear market when you're buying at a 50% discount because the same amount of fiat gets you double the amount of BTC.

richardto4321

It's actually a great sign of how far BTC has come. When something like the S&P500 or gold moves 3% in a day, it's a huge deal. Too many people are hoping for huge swings like the early days of BTC, but that's actually not great at all for the asset if you consider the long-term and not just day-trading.

beastmanzx

I dk man, I bought an S&P position, that would have taken me 10 years to DCA with my job, with Bitcoin profit and BTC is still my biggest holding. Kinda an FU to everyone making fun of me for buying BTC for all of these years. Entry at a higher position than their life's work.

JakobBowser

I agree with you op, and like you I get downvoted when I try to help people here understand BTC is the only crypto with holding/investing in. Just stay the course and stack sats

Ok_Golf_6467

Alts have mirrored the economic contraction that has been happening the last 5 years. There we some lucky winners of course aside from BTC. **Some alts will catch and it'll happen fast in a month or 2 as we flip into expansion above 55

Traditional_Most105

The real answer is that nobody knows. There could be another altseason or there could be BTC and a few alts only dominating and the rest nothing or a completely new scenario nobody could think of. Speculation on whats happened before could also make it a self fulfilling prophecy so it could come again if people wait for it and act on speculation... In the end its what you believe and speculate... if you want the safer bet its either BTC or ETH. If you want the higher upside you go for the alts you believe in. You just have to accept whatever the outcome is... it might hurt either way. It might hurt losing money and it also might hurt selling alts that later would go to the sky and thinking what if i didnt sell... so choose whatever you want and accept its consequences. Just make sure not to put money you cant afford to lose...

pendulums123

This absolutely won't work in favour of OP who has a stack of BTC and is trying to sidestep tax. All the NGNL does is defer a CGT charge until you end up with GBP.

Tebasaki

Better can reuse your BTC while they hold it, they just have to give you the same amount back later unless they can't, then they won't So this is like fractional reservation but worse in some ways because you don't get a cut on the btc you lend

Random_Person_246810

They all inevitably trend to zero against BTC. Remember that when investing in doodoo coins.

Lost_Anywhere_69

Lemmi know when I can do this for the entire purchase price of the house AND sell the locked up BTC to pay of the mortgage if MY BTC suddenly 10x’s

randominternetanon6

Yeah if they can use your BTC, that means they can go bankrupt and you’re fucked. People’s Reserves is a much better option. They put your BTC in a separate entity that is separated from bankruptcy. For the 1:1 BTC to loan mortgage, you get your full stack back after the loan is paid off. For the one where you just cover the down payment, they get a cut of your BTC once it appreciates enough to pay off your mortgage

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benTom10

Coz maybe if I wish for dream items, I get items. If I wish for 3 BTC, I get the items + financial freedom + future growth. I can sell like 1 btc & keep 2 btc for growth

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If you'd immediately trade the 3 BTC that came from nowhere for dream items, then the 3 BTC isn't what changes your life, the dream items do. Why not just wish for the dream items?

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keralaindia

Obviously assumes BTC will go up.

hodler1992

That's why BTC is the answer

KomorebiParticle

> What would have been cool is if you could just buy a 400k house for 1 million in Bitcoin that you just keep on Coinbase and have the house essentially for free at that point. How would the house be for free? lol you still have to pay the loan back, the BTC is just collateral.

polymath_uk_

It's correct up to the line "Your BTC goes into Better's custody on Coinbase.". Unfortunately the line should read "Your BTC becomes Better's on Coinbase.".

ryancalavano

Holding your btc until the full loan is paid off is insane. The BTC loan is just for the down payment

TheWraith2K

BTC heading straight to 80k... I don't even know if that's up or down anymore.

EthanDavis63

Bears are the only species that look at 15 years of BTC parabolic growth and think, 'Yeah, this time it's definitely going to zero.'

LucaRossi0

The hardest flex in crypto isn't a Rolex, it's a cold wallet gathering dust in a safe while BTC hits new highs.

Lefties_TheWorst7331

BTC is always volatile.. and take a look at silver/gold swings recently. Sideways is a reasonable take.

Complexity323

Yes it will raise crypto prices if you are invested in BTC ETH CRCL

Large-Cress900

Hi! I'm running MostroEuropa, an independent Mostro community focused on Europe. We've just been testing p2psats with a real live MostroEuropa order and noticed that it isn't showing up in the EUR order book. The order is currently available: SELL BTC, 10–100 EUR, +5%, with Revolut / Wise / SEPA Instant. MostroEuropa publishes its orders through Nostr, so I'm wondering if the issue is simply that p2psats isn't listening to the relays our Mostro node uses. I'd be happy to send you the relay list or the raw NIP-69 event so we can check it. We'd definitely like MostroEuropa orders to be discoverable through p2psats — the aggregation you're building is exactly what small P2P communities like ours need. https://mostroeuropa.github.io/

gabbergizzmo

Listen....If this goes to 100.000$, Like BTC die... Woah

K42st

He will still pay CGT on the gain on the BTC he’s made irrelevant of buying stablecoins with it, HMRC see a gain as a gain there is no way of avoiding CGT!

Full-Argument-8235

1)BTC fear and index must 85 and up - Sell Buy when fear and index goes 10 below Or buy Oct 6, sell exactly at 1064days Thank me later

Carter922

I sold .5 BTC to pay off $4000 in cc bills in 2018-ish. I should have just worked more in college

AggravatingGuest1956

1000-1250R a month in Nubank R Bond. It’s what 14% APR rn? The rest into BTC. You can also divide that up and convert the R to USDC and stake for 3.4%? APR if you want exposure to USD. Nubank IIRC also gives you Exposure to EWZ and VOO if you want to go along those lines. My wife is Brazilian and we put away 500-750R a month into the Real (Reis?) Bond.

Psych0n4u7

I know a lot of people did this as well, but the amount of money I spent on BTC to buy drugs…I’d d have kept all that BTC I’d def have a small fortune.

Aerocryptic

>But BTC was already down 72%. FTX and Luna brought it to 77%. BTC was down 30% ish before Luna. It went from $40k to $20k afterwards

Syrion1984

Only 100 more of those buys to go until you have a whole BTC! You'll be set up nicely! Keep stacking those sats!