BTC

WonderMental503

In fact this is false, the value of Fiat money is decreasin bye itself so even if BTC didn't exist, the value of Fiat would tend to go down in comparisson with other assets. The only way fiat money would be stronger is by increasing the PIB and slowing the print machine of the central bank

CONSOLE_LOAD_LETTER

Monero is actually what you think Zcash might be. If you think privacy and an actual decentralized network and development community is important, Monero is the purest to ethos cryptocurrency that is still substantially relevant at this time. Bitcoin to me is no longer true to ethos, as the mining hardware sector is basically owned/controlled by 3 ASIC manufacturers and BTC supply is increasingly ending up in control of fewer and fewer very large entities like governments, centralized financial institutions, and corporations. If BTC price crashes during a true global recession, I think we see massive exits and liquidations and very little grassroots support.

Character-Notice8580

yes. It's flawless. I suggest using Cashapp to pay with BTC to get 5% back instantly.

Sin-City-Sinner

OP idk how old you are but I’m 47- not far from the age where most people would like to retire. I am also not really of the generation that can get behind crypto like a lot of people my age, older, and even a bit younger, but I grew up with a computer in my home when I was a kid in the 80s, so I was on the actual internet before that and I was on BBS’s before AOL in the early 90’s.. TRUST ME WHEN I SAY, crypto is not a scam, although there are scams out there, BTC is 100% NOT A SCAM NOT A RUG PULL, and if your nervous about that still, stay with BTC ONLY!! There are scam/rug pull coins out there and you CAN be scammed out of your BTC, but if you know where to go buy it, and how to store it, and DO NOT TALK NUMBER ONLINE EVER EVER EVER, so if you decide to take my advice, do yourself a favor and never post actual numbers again and delete this post and my advice to you would be – I know they say don’t try to time the market etc.. but with BTC rn is a strange time and 75k is a steal! IF OT WAS ME (this is not financial advice. This is just my educated opinion.) I would go all in on BTC now. You COULD watch it and see if it goes lower and it may, it may go down to 70 K but it also might go back up to 80 K and I don’t know how much you are willing to buy, but if it was me, I would spend the entire amount that you plan on investing in bitcoin right now. We ARE living in a weird time especially after the mid terms but BTC Mathematically WILL go up and up and up over time. You could use the BTC you buy (the more the better obviously) and stake it and make a nice passive income every day-week-month depending on how you go about it which what I would do, then your BTC will pay you extra income and it won’t be so “fixed”- your income.. and if your want to get really into max $ from BTC there is a method where you can even sell it after it peaks at the end of every bull cycle, watch the price drop back down 30-40-50% and then rebuy to gain extra BTC. I know that last part gets a little bit complicated, if you would like you could DM me, and I can point you in the right direction of where to get detailed instructions on how to make passive income from your BTC, it’s nothing I am promoting, it’s just what I would do if I was in the position you are OP. Otherwise just go all in and hold it. BTC outperforms the S&P500 it’s been around 20 years, it’s only went up.. from 0.007 or 0.7¢ to 125k in less than 20 years is insane!! If you doubt anything, I’m saying just look at the bitcoin chart, history keeps repeating itself over and over in four years cycles. If you are at all nervous about getting into crypto start with BTC, it’s what I started off with, and my plan was never to touch any other crypto lol… But hey, I made 5K my first year, got lucky and didn’t know much but I bought 5k of BTC right before it took off and doubled my $.. Welcome to crypto sir! 🫡 your in the right place!

Character-Notice8580

Use Cashapp and pay with BTC using your fiat balance. It's not a taxable transaction since you never held the BTC. The retailer doesn't know the difference.

Character-Notice8580

Pay with BTC using Cashapp at Square terminals and you get an instant 5% back.

WonderMental503

The amount of reward for every miner is goin to decrease, so if it is real, they could not mine more than half a million BTC even if they are million times faster. None of that is going to generate a bullish reaction of BTC price

let_me_in_QQ

You need to make six figures. Hey baby I got 100 BTC lfg. Get away from me nerd.

MN_hunter

You’re retired so I wonder what is your end goal in BTC? Do you have someone to pass it down to? Or, are you itching a need to gamble a little? If it’s just something to do - then no. You won’t make enough to flex. Go put $50 a week on a Robinhood account and play some volatile stocks. Or, buy different crypto that can swing 20-50% in a couple weeks.

BeachTime0734

I just thought a little money here and there into BTC to mess around with it might be better than dumping it into FanDuel each week to bet football.

BeachTime0734

Yeah I get that, but I was hoping for some honest feedback. Socking $25.00 to $50.00 a week is peanuts compared to the bigger money people invest in BTC, but it’s sure better than dumping $50.00 a week into FanDuel just to lose betting football every week. Maybe someone can give me some good advice here. We shall see.

fabtico

I don't like bitcoin at all. But for you I like it even less because you're retired and BTC is a extremely risky investment, I would recommend you some dividend ETF

mozy-rama

Congrats!! I was thinking of setting up a Roth IRA account with Fidelity to purchase FBTC. No capital gain tax & tax-free withdrawal during retirement. I already got a cold wallet for self-custody. Stragetically, I would like to reduce risk by not having all my eggs in one basket. Roth IRA setup to purchase crypto ETF seems to be the way. Fidelity is an excellent instuition. Congratulations again!! 0.1 is a milestone. Next goal target: 0.25 BTC. Good luck! Cheers!

cedarrapidsiaus

If Quantum computers are able to surprisingly hack the bitcoin network, the Bitcoin price will be the least of our worries. They'll more easily be able to hack all bank accounts, national classified security, pretty much any data across the globe. IDK if they are about to hack or not. My guess is not even close. Though I do believe the general public is always many years behind what actual technology is truly out there behind closed doors. Anyway even if there is a quantum threat its likely from government/military employment, and it wouldn't make a lot of sense to hack the BTC network. Hacking the BTC network wouldn't destroy nations or be something to ruin a government over. It would just make peoples value in BTC go down and their own if they own BTC lol. If you're a country like North Korea (or any country with malicious intentions), it would be in their best interests to steal and hoard BTC, not try to hack the Network itself. IMO 1. Bitcoin will make quantum improvements and be quantum secure without a quantum attack happening prior. 2. Major names claiming BTC is worthless and will be cracked quantumly are doing so to try to suppress price, get the general public to sell, and buy and hoard it themselves at cheaper prices.

Doritos707

Yes and in three different formats: 1- Lightning channels 2- sidechain layers that anchor themselves to Bitcoin and have a form or another of BTC and settle in the mainchain eventually 3- Bitcoin secures platforms and banks as a security layer.

MN_hunter

There will have to be a standard currency for electronic to electronic transactions. BTC I don’t believe it fits.

ImNotABot-Yet

Yeah, maybe hacking the hardware itself is quantum protected (maybe), but wouldn’t stop the coins being taken off the BTC network (which isn’t quantum safe) directly. It’d be sort of like storing your house keys in a safe at Fort Knox for extra protection without acknowledging that any average lock picker can open a household lock in under a minute without touching your safe.

MillerBlade2

No, but I do think people will still use BTC to circumvent inflation

Doggocomehe

Horizontal movement of the eye when reading charts has been proven to more accurately predict BTC prices over the last month, study suggests.

SurroundCultural6626

I read a lot of comments and took away ......BTC!

bananabastard

You weren't downvoted for asking about women in the space, you asked about "cute Bitcoin merch, miners, tech etc," Personally, I clicked the thread to see what that even meant. I still don't know what it means. I mean, you can get BTC cushions and plushies and keyrings and all sorts of merch. But I don't think that's going to bring anyone into the space.

bitusher

> but this is about bitcoin being used as a currency isn't it. Volatility is merely 1 important variable of at least 8 different qualities of a good currency. >shovel their monthly salary and their savings into BTC to 'save' them from banking collapses. In this specific situation the ideal situation is to diversify your investments and banks . Have at least 2 banks , and perhaps a money in a foreign bank if you can , have some bitcoin, have other investments if you can Why are you suggesting everyone has to have 100% of their money in Bitcoin ? > in stable countries, with surplus income to invest, sure, have at it. I am a latino and have lived in multiple latin american countries all my life and its somewhat insulting to suggest we don't have any savings . What is harder for most of us is to have access to USA equity markets , which makes Bitcoin a godsend.

blik122

Sure, but this is about bitcoin being used as a currency isn't it. Bitcoin may well be a decent investment - I certainly hope so. But it's not a decent currency, not at current volatility levels anyway. Basically, as the title of this thread is about the recent Paraguay bank collapse - it'd be a terrible idea for the average Paraguay wagecuck to shovel their monthly salary and their savings into BTC to 'save' them from banking collapses. Most of these people barely make rent as it is and couldn't afford a sharp drop, which happens literally every year at some point. For people like us - in stable countries, with surplus income to invest, sure, have at it. But it's surplus income, not the mortgage payment. South Americans generally don't have much surplus income, if any.

ScrotusAmongus

I have a similar thesis that involves Bitcoin becoming a store of value in a digital banking system where we have paper currency (maybe) , digital fed dollars (more likely) and BTC will be....either completely stonewalled or the apex asset. But with institutions buying it up I think it could be the ultimate "outside of the system" reserve...

LittleTwo9213

These people aren’t investing I. The market anyways and Nvidia is still a 4 trillion dollar company. I think BTC will be fine without them.

Odd_Oath

First wallet? Bitkey , Second wallet Trezor Safe 5, BTC edition.

MakCapital

It's a network that failed at scaling for tokenization and is now positioned as "digital silver". Hyperliquid and Solana took tokens and token based revenue. Ethereum now takes trades off BTC lows with privacy a likely future narrative.

stay_safe_and_calm

If you are careful, your BTC could be as private as your XMR. Just buy your BTC on non-KYC exchanges or DEXes (such as hyperliquid) and use for every single transaction a new address. Seperate your UTXOs you bought from KYC exchanges from your non-KYC UTXOs.

Several_Razzmatazz71

"The theory that you can invest into stocks or bonds to preserve purchasing power is completely flawed. A single individual can, but not the people as a whole. When someone invests then someone else has to absorb the losses of inflation, since money changes hands only and the money supply does not change." That's false, people have different incomes, people also invest by starting businesses, I mean what do you think you are doing? You literally take your fiat currency you earn to buy BTC. What you think that isn't an investment? "What you promote is to cover one crime (fraud & theft by a few) with another crime (socialism). To criticize that has nothing to do with "doomerism"." It is doomerism, this isn't new, it wasn't new 20 years ago, it wasn't new 100 years ago, it wasn't new 500 years ago, it wasn't new 1000 years ago. etc. "There are plenty of other issues with fiat currency that always lead to their demise." "There are plenty of other issues with fiat currency that always lead to their demise." Like what?

canada11235813

Funny, was having this exact conversation with my financial advisor three days ago... the issue being that when I got into BTC more than 10 years ago, I loaded up and have held it since. And while it was a conventional 3 to 8% of my diversified portfolio at the time, it's now grown to be like a tail wagging a dog. And properly-diversified portfolio is designed to hedge against a lot of things, all of which are ineffective if the volatile swings of BTC outweigh the rest of it. Accordingly, I was advised to sell some BTC (same discussion I've been having every 6 months for years) to de-risk things. And, as always, I said no... because even if BTC crashes to zero, I'm still ok. And I'm a strong believer in this thing, and while I guess it'd make sense to sell some of it one day, it won't be to by TSLA or IBM or MSFT shares.

NHLBigFan

BTC is roughly 1/15 but will be 1/10.

HugeLarry

10% is my target also. I never sell to rebalance, I just DCA into other things when BTC is overweight.

Doppelapfel007

80% FTSE Global All Cap 15% BTC 5% gold

kaliki07

100% BTC

SupaGhost345

BTC makes up about 8% of my portfolio, but this number has been increasing. I think i’ll hit 10% by year end and I only see this number increasing the next 5-10 years

Drevinth

Bitcoin is only around 10% - 13% of my wealth. I also hold some stocks as well as my BTC

devCheckingIn

That's true, but you're not going to get rich on steady, compound growth either. Unless you're already rich. People gamble with these shitcoins for the same reason people gambled with BTC early on.

Wise-Statistician172

Or, and hear me out, you HOLD it, because it is an *asset*, and as it matures in value, you borrow against it so that you can acquire more assets. Like grown ups do. BlackRock, Vanguard, BNY Mellon, Fidelity, State Street, Bank of America, pensions, sovereign wealth funds, the govt of Russia, etc., are not acquiring bitcoin because they are speculators. They are acquiring it, to the tune of millions of coins in 2026, because it is the apex asset. They are acquiring it slowwwly because, if they “spook the herd”, there will be panic / FOMO and the price will skyrocket. In the meantime, they manipulate the market and pay off media to hand wave and say, “nothing to see here”, “bitcoin going to zero…”. By sowing fear in the minds of retail — you — they purchase as much as they can *cheap*, before it moves to its intrinsic value. What is its intrinsic value? Who knows? In this year’s prospectus, BlackRock placed BTC ad the #1 rated maturing asset class for the next decade. There are currently approx $1.8QUADrillion in held assets worldwide. Bitcoin is the *only one* that is finite and diminishing. BTC will be 1/1,000,000th of a percent. Then 1/1,000th of a percent. Then 1/10th of a percent of all assets held. You / we are just SO FKG EARLY to the game, there’s no one yet in the stadium. EXCEPT FOR THE MOST IMPORTANT PLAYERS.

PotentTurnip

Right now I'm about 70/30 equities & BTC. Equities are all of 5 ETFs that capture the broader market.

iLikeEggzzzzz

5% BTC. 95% Fart Coin. I know what I got.

blackjackn

The usual. 401k with contributions up to my match, 529 for the kids, house w/ mortgage, small amount of physical gold...but any extra I throw into BTC.

Longjumping-Link-455

Never crunched the numbers but looks like I'm 20% in on BTC

BlacksmithPlane3988

BTC is 2% of portfolio. 2-5% cash. Rest are stocks and bonds.

44193_Red

I mean, the Clarity Act dead after Democrats all voted against moving BTC forward.

Savings-Following232

I rebalanced last month heading into the mid terms, 20% BTC/75% Bonds/ 5% stock. The bonds are through a debt fund, mostly treasury bonds that have performed surprisingly well. I’m going to shift that into a slightly more aggressive fund (VWENX) possibly next week after the inflation report Tuesday.

loc710

Greed will always win if you let it. Just buy BTC and don’t be a dummy

Wooden_Speaker_8440

60% MSCI world 10% Emergents 20% BTC 10% Gold

loc710

90% BTC 10% bills

Bongressman

BTC buy signal.

Bongressman

S&P, BTC spot and IBIT.

Wo0odi

Source? Data centers maybe, but that has nothing to do with BTC

PuzzleheadedBell4057

Equally BTC, ETH, SOL, XRP, LINK, HYPE, ZEC, DOGE, TAO, NEAR.

loc710

BTC is the only crypto, there is no second best

pirstaef

Lol, you can't understand what it feels to own BTC

44193_Red

but now they're actually trying to block BTC and Data Centers

Alexander-305

Extreme Fear is a useful label for the mood, but I would not treat 25 as a buy button on its own. The index mostly lags what already happened: a sharp dump, ETF redemptions, and equity beta spilling into crypto. By the time it prints Extreme Fear, a chunk of the forced selling is already in the rear-view. That is why "buy every Extreme Fear print" has mixed follow-through across cycles. What I care about more than the number: - Whether $75k holds a few daily closes instead of just one bounce candle - Whether BTC ETF flows stop bleeding for more than a day or two - Whether leverage rebuilds into the bounce (that usually means another flush is still on the table) Sitting is a valid third option when the setup is "sentiment is washed, structure is not." The index tells you people are scared. It does not tell you the selling is done.

jacd03

BTC mainly tbh, i will definitely buy SOL under $80 and HYPE under $70, let's see.

GalaxyDefender1x

I think BTC will be at $150k in 2029 12 months or more after the halving. That is the most I see it climbing.

DeadPhish-710

"Not sure there is anything to be excited about. The price of litecoin did not increase after the last three halvings. In fact, it dropped every time. Also if you look at a chart of the LTC/BTC ratio you will see it has spent the last 15 years trending towards zero. I would not be the least bit surprised to see litecoin continue that trend and underperform the rest of the market like it always has."

Romanizer

Yes, but when the original owner signs a RBF transaction sending the complete wallet as fee to the miners, the thief loses BTC by outbidding, so he loses the stolen BTC as well and ends up with less BTC than before.

cocotalouca

Yes but it’s stolen BTC, the thief doesn’t care about fees. Irs not their btc to begin with. Your theory doesn’t hold in the sense that it’s better, in the thieve’s perspective to earn some BTC, even losing half of it to fees, than nothing. Fees are no protection at all.

Alexander-305

One thing I'd add to the checklist is the perp side, because it tells you who is behind the bounce. Funding on BTC perps is basically flat right now, around +0.005% per 8h or lower on the venues I checked this morning, with price near 75.8k. So this recovery isn't being driven by leveraged longs paying up. That cuts both ways: there's no crowded long position to flush, but there isn't much conviction either. What would convince me: a reclaim of the 76.5k area on spot-led volume while funding stays roughly flat. If price grinds up and funding jumps at the same time, that's leverage chasing, and those moves usually get faded. On the other side, a break under the 74.7k wick with funding flipping clearly negative means shorts are piling in late, which more often sets up a squeeze than a clean continuation. Not advice, just how I'd separate a real higher low from a bounce.

AbSphere

J'ai un PRU (Prix de Revient Unitaire) actuellement de 68 350 €, et je détiens pour l'instant 0,0393 BTC. Ça fait que un mois que je me suis mets. Je suis entrer à 72000€. Que me conseillez vous, je fais achats reventes avec un take profil ou accumulation ?

Little-Ad8633

I bought 10 BTC 10 years ago for 600 each. $6000 now worth 750,000. So yes, you can make a ton if you remember time in any market always beats timing the market. Sure I have had great losses and incredible gains but I just ignored it. I spent the money for it and the money was gone. I am now retired with a healthy portfolio to live on without touching my BTC. It is my go-bag if I ever need it, but I can also can leave a legacy for my children and grandchildren to help them through life. Start young and have an infinite horizon and you will win the game. This is the way!

bonkersbongoo

The eip-7702 is an ethereum feature. The didn’t steal btc by exploiting it. BTC was stolen by other ways. Maybe next time ask your AI to write something that makes sense?

Ok_Golf_6467

BTC, ETH, SOL, UNI, HYPE, and sprinkle in a couple AI or meme fun plays. The big thing being with alts, is taking profit and rolling it back into BTC to store

pulsarstarter

This post is about Altcoins. * **Even ETH (the largest and most prominent alt) is down over 50% in 5 years** * **BTC itself is only up 20% in 5 years** You also ignored everything I said about tax. Crypto has been an objectively terrible investment

MrMoo151515

BTC sits at \~$80k/coin in 17 years of its existence. Totally a failed experiment. Pack it up boys

Cryptocodes_eu

There’s no magic amount of BTC you “should” own. Start with your budget, not someone else’s stack: keep emergency savings separate, avoid borrowing, and only invest money you can afford to lose. Small regular purchases can spread out your entry price, but they don’t guarantee a profit even after five years.

DankShibe

Most coins went into bear market since the January 2025 tarrifs . Only Zcash , Monero, hype and TRX did well since then for both 2025 and 2026. BTC , BNB and XRP were strong in 2025 but then they also tanked

baacode_

Zcash was propped up crap from the beginning. Except for BTC and eth the current top 10 is a fucking sham

Keysar_Sozee

Did you mean the BTC investment group or ***the*** BTC investment group. It’s not the same you know, it’s invite only.

Big_Percentage_7541

Monero mostly cause everybody uses it on the darknet. That was the usecase also for BTC in the early times. Hype cause it's not following BTC, this is also true to Hype.

0x456

BTC halving also next year?

mcalibri

If I had to bet WW 3 vs BTC to 1 million, I'd bet WW 3 comes first.

nugymmer

None. They are virtually all just hyped junk, aside from a very select few and even then you are better off sticking to BTC!

Top-Promise-7742

BTC

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ubermensch1001

The best answer to this would honestly be to just buy BTC. Sure, a lot of the big name alts everyone can think of probably won't go to $0, but there is a solid chance they will do little to nothing and just continue to bleed. Bcash is a good example. It went on a crazy run going into 2017 as the real BTC, it peaked at over 4k that year. It then tanked to a bit under $100 in late 2018 and spent 2019-2020 ranging around $100-$500 or so. In the spring of 2021 it peaked at $1400 and then crashed down to the lows of the previous cycle. It's spent YEARS lingering around $100-$600. At time of writing, it is trading at $260. Litecoin is another example. It peaked at $400 in 2017 tanked to as low as $20 in late 2018. In 2019-2020 it spent a lot of time around $40-$50 and in the spring of 2021 it peaked at $400, so it did reach it's previous all time high. Since the highs of 2021, it spent most of 2022 through now at a similar range, with $40 being the absolute lows but with a lot of time around $50-$60. It's had a few moments near $100 or even a bit above it but that's about it. As I'm writing this it is at $52. With these two examples, if you bought the lows you wouldn't be down with regards to $. The biggest issue is that if you had simply bought BTC instead you would have been way better off. In 2019-2020 you would have been buying BTC at 10k or under. In 2022-2023 you would have been buying at 16k-30k.

Kazixt

Oooo this morning it was BTC BAD now it's a rebound. The crypto market is pure speculation. Why do you think it goes up and down with the stock market. You can make a killing if your ass is willing to bet big on overnight bids. Made 15$ once recently off of a leveraged 100x leveraged .20 bet. I dunno. I at least like the spinning reals of a slot machine more than watching red and green candles.

Romanizer

The thief is spending hundreds of billions to build a machine that is able to break Bitcoin, while not making any revenue with it as the capacity is completely blocked by cracking keys. If the victim of the attack decides that it is better to give the whole 50 BTC of each wallet to miners instead of to the thief, the incentive for such an attack falls to zero. Would they still spend money to build that machine?

martinez-k60

If you're willing to learn, 2-of-3 multisig across vendors is the serious answer. Practice restoring it with a tiny amount first; the easiest way to lose BTC is building a setup you can't recover.

Several_Razzmatazz71

While it's true that in Paraguay was caused by fraud, deposits can be paid back in their domestic currency which they control. That's disengenous to say that the executives of those banks that went under in 2023 in the US are blameless. They were negligent in their jobs. The point is, there are many mechanisms in place to make people whole. The whole point of a currency is to enable economic transactions among each other, even if its purchasing power declines over time. Paraguayans or anybody else has the ability to invest their fiat currency at any point in time that preserves their purchasing power over time. Just as if you were paid in USD you can invest into stocks or bonds, even if the purchasing power of the USD erodes over time. You only lose purchasing power if you keep all your cash under the mattress, which isn't advised. What do you think would happen if people used BTC as a currency? Oh financial institutions would arise that store and lend other peoples BTC. What do you think would happen when fraud occurs and this exact scenario took place? Well none of the authorities would be able to print BTC, and everybody is SOL? It's no different than what actually happened under a gold standard. This is just reinventing the circle all over again. This doomerism has nothing but ulterior motives to push the price of your investments in BTC up.

GalaxyDefender1x

Invest into BTC only what you wont need for 5 or more years... I started more than a year ago.. and I am still UNDERWATER. Expect that to happen to you. I was up like $100 dollars once. for like a week... NO FUN

Pathbauer1987

I remember when hodlers were saying that BTC was supposed to be a hedge against economic recessions.

MeriticulousOne

Done this myself. Biggest thing beyond price drop is the liquidation threshold and whether they rehypothecate your collateral. Coinbase is variable so your rate can climb. Figure Markets and Ledn do fixed rate BTC loans, no credit check. At 40-50% LTV you've got cushion but know the margin call level.

Greifvogel1993

Just put your money into physical assets. BTC and the supply are fungible. They are not as secure as you are led to believe (Binance), and the value of it is HEAVILY dependent on the M2 and supply. Nobody ‘likes’ bitcoin for the coin. People ‘like’ land for the space. People ‘like’ gold for the luster But something tangible, non-fungible, that people actually value.

laoge300

I’m worried that Ledger might misappropriate the funds, so I’ve set up a multisig wallet using both Trezor and Ledger, and have moved my BTC from Ledger into this multisig wallet.

Pristine_Cricket_633

If BTC needs AI liquidity to go up then bitcoin is cooked.

PeacockMamba

I’ve lost passwords (not seeds) to dat files with over a dozen BTC.. at the time it was worthless & I wrote the random character password in a notebook that is no longer around. That was 12 years ago, lol. Still have the .dat and will crack it eventually. 3 stricks and it locks, but I think I can make 1000+ copies and brute force it…. ?

PeacockMamba

This is advanced. For those of you who’ve been here early… I’m Holding a physical HDD with .dat files in a safety deposit box. Why? Because the BTC are VERY old and there’s at least 10 in each file. Passwords are in a relatives box at a different bank.

getcoinline

ETF shares vs. owning BTC directly: an ETF in a brokerage or retirement account is simple and tax-friendly in some setups, but you can't withdraw or send it. Owning the coins means you can self-custody, but you're responsible for security. Neither is wrong; just know which one you're buying.

CeldrellMaxwell

The fact that BTC has held strong at a low of 75K despite all the terrible things that have happened in the past two weeks tells me NO. you’re dreaming. Institutions are holding and buying more

SavingsLettt

The correlation with US equities is getting harder to ignore. BTC isn't trading in isolation anymore.

omni_wisdumb

If you think investing in BTC in 2026 is the same as having invested in "the Internet" in 1995, then you're a clown. The 'internet" in these examples are companies, and they were invested in as startups, you also knew very quickly if it made it or not. Investing in BTC 17 years after it's inception is very very very different.

10kpizza

Yes thats not possible under this scheme. In that situation much better would be to move the coins before Q-day. Or use the DropKick scheme for recovery if your wallet has a seed phrase backup (which pretty much all wallets since 2013 do). This landmine idea looks like its mainly aimed at the 2009/10-era 50BTC mined coins which have never moved.

Potential-Royal-1704

Since the BTC address is real and the transactions when traced splits up and the last wallet has 23 BTC in it today just sitting there, I'd suggest you go to directory 'misc/turtle' (that's where the tortoise lives) and do a 'ls -a' command to see if there's any hidden files. Then check if there's multiple accounts on that laptop and check all their bash history. Proceed from there. Goodluck.

Doppelapfel007

or maybe he discovered BTC is not so stupid, and vanished.

gigasawblade

So you would have to have amount equal to the full wallet balance available or you can't move the funds? This doesn't sound good.. I mean imagine you have an old wallet with 100BTC and you want to transfer 0.001 out of it. Is it at all possible and what is the collateral under this proposal?

MrStarrrr

It is if you consider that you wouldn’t only be able to buy 7.6% of a car, you’d be able to buy the whole car still. For simplicity sake, say a nice car costs $76k, 1 BTC now. If I still have my $76k in USD when the cost of a nice new car is $1MM USD, I can’t buy the car. If I have 1 BTC and the price of BTC = $1MM USD, I can buy the car. If I purchased at a price point lower than $1MM USD then I have a positive rate of return *because* I can still purchase the same item. In this scenario, BTC is a hedge against inflation. We don’t know if that’ll be true or to what extent.