BTC

crimeo

> The amount economically extractable from that does not automatically double because BTC’s market cap doubles. Of course it does. The more blocks are on the chain while you control it, and the more volume of coins in those blocks, and the more customers involved, the directly larger the volume of tokens you can double spend or people you can make side deals with. * You can't double spend anything unless someone is actually normally doing business in that amount and accepting crypto for stuff. Therefore the more people are doing business and the more is normally flowing, the more you can double spend. Completely linearly. * Other methods of extracting value also scale perfectly linearly. Like extortion for blacklisting people from blocks. If 10% of people on average are of the personality type and/or financial situation, and have enough interest in the blockchain, to be successfully intimidated into paying protection money or whatever you call it to not be blacklisted, then when the total number of users is 2x, that 10% of successful and motivated extortion targets is 2x larger * Same goes for taking money from censorship advocates to silence their enemies. If the whole economy is 2x larger, then there will be 2x more such people ethically willing and financially able to pay the asked price for censoring others, so you can profit 2x from that. > An attack itself destroys the value/liquidity you are trying to extract. Based on what do you believe this? if everyone's using some coin for the whole economy, they can't just switch suddenly. It's baked into the infrastructure. They have no choice. They will maybe in months down the line when legislation and institutions have time to slowly adjust, but you will have been making out like a bandit the whole time. > it also means security, governance power and capital ownership are more tightly coupled. Nope. You're not wrong that governance power is tightly linked to security, but you're completely wrong that it's even 1% "more so" than in PoW. Those two things are exactly as tightly linked (as in: both quite tightly) in PoW and PoS. Governance in PoW is directly tied to hash power, because whether everyone moves over to a new protocol or whether anyone can threaten an attack if you don't do what they want, is directly tied to how many ASICs that bloc of people has control of. Which is... hash power. Which is security. 100% coupled. Yeah it also is in PoS, but so what? Nothing new. Nothing different. Both cases it's also 100% synonymous with capital ownership. Hash power is pretty much 1:1 with how many modern ASICs and kWh you have, which is your capital ownership. Again, PoS that's also true, sure, but no more so. They're both just the same in all of those respects, but one uses 2,000x less power for no actual drawbacks whatsoever. Pretty much any sentence you can write about "stake", you can just swap out "ASICs" for PoW, and the sentence will remain true. With the exception of itf you're talking about energy and pollution.

nassauboy9

Only 2 things sell. This is for any product, idea ... anything 1. SEX (directly or alluding to it, appealing to desire to have) 2. FEAR (if you don't have it or do it ... the pain could be too great) When in my corporate job, and want a PO signed ... approach with one of these two principles. Same with BTC (its no different)

Romanizer

The “linear” part is the assumption doing all the work here. A 51% attacker does not crack a safe containing some percentage of Bitcoin’s market cap. They gain temporary control over block ordering: censorship, reorgs and potentially double-spending their own payments. The amount economically extractable from that does not automatically double because BTC’s market cap doubles. It usually is zero. There is no incentive for an attack. An attack itself destroys the value/liquidity you are trying to extract. PoW anchors consensus to an external resource that cannot be created inside the system: specialized hardware, energy and physical infrastructure. PoS anchors consensus to ownership of the system’s own native asset. That is vastly more energy-efficient, but it also means security, governance power and capital ownership are more tightly coupled. So the trade-off is structural: PoW buys external, physically costly security at the price of energy consumption; PoS buys efficiency by making the asset itself the security resource and accepting more dependence on stake distribution, validator economics and social coordination in exceptional cases. Combined with the fact that every PoS coin has a central committee or company, it makes it unsuitable for Cryptocurrency. I mean, what's your opinion on this: why has PoS failed in general?

bjm3384

You can put the $3k for better use by mining BTC and then holding those profits. Essentially the $3k will pay for the BTC and a lot more https://gomining.com/?ref=MINEWITHPURPLE

Bulky-Technician-979

No, I never played there. That address appeared much later in the transaction chain, after the BTC had already been mixed with many other funds. I mentioned it only as part of the trail, not as proof that the casino was involved in the theft.

juniperbit

Strike or River App to buy BTC. You’ll need your ID. After 1k valued in BTC I recommend you move your funds to a cold wallet, Bitkey or Ledger, you can buy it on Amazon

AromaKachu

Probably more infrastructure around actually using BTC, not just holding it. We’re still pretty early when it comes to areas like lending, yield, and other financial applications built around native BTC.

Swimnbud

Honest question, I have a fair amount of BTC in BlueWallet. What do the techies in the chat think of that for security?

AromaKachu

I like that distinction. “Early” doesn’t necessarily mean cheap anymore, it can also mean early in terms of global adoption and utility. BTC still has plenty of room to find new roles in finance, like native staking, collateral, lending, and other ways to generate value from BTC...

uuewy

although, if enough people believe the cycle is broken, it will actually break. my guess is the swings will dimish over time as long-term appreciation becomes more widely recognized. eventually, most people won't event bother trying to time it. bitcoin will become a safe and boring inflation hedge, and all other asset valuations will be in terms of BTC.

offline212

After 2 missed cycles I learned my lesson and will only invest in BTC in this cycle. 2025 was a eye opener. I don't think there will be a run like 2021 anymore, because there are to many alts. In 2017,2021, you had a few thousand alts, but now there are millions. I can be wrong offcourse, but I can't afford to lose so much money every cycle, so only BTC now. I prefer a 3x then just gamble and being broke for another 4 years.

quintavious_danilo

If you absolutely have to invest in alts, look at some of the more stable coins like BNB, TRX, MKR (SKY) and HYPE. They basically all weather the current bear market pretty strong and are not 80-99% from ATH, like so many other alts. TRX didn’t even have a bear market, which shows incredible strength. Imagine what it can do once BTC goes into bull mode again.

AromaKachu

If these products are mostly built for whales and institutions, there’s still a lot of room to make BTC yield and lending more accessible to regular holders and institutions too. I’ll take a closer look once the one I mentioned actually launches.

zampe

Not everything is a conspiracy. Its more that we are now 5 years out from crypto blowing up in the mainstream and having every opportunity to prove itself useful and valuable and it failed. Now we just have the remaining cult members unwilling to move on. Im still holding onto some BTC but not holding my breath for anything interesting to happen.

Gangaman666

Shitcoins definitely are, I hate them. But BTC isn't.

iloverunning11

Nope you will have many speculators as long as crypto is a novelty (will be the case for at least a century) so BTC will definitely not go to 0 (most altcoins will though) and this does not mean there is any real value because there is none. Even real transactions are peanuts and only a little part of the overall volume (real transactions are e.g. products bought for BTC in El Salvador and transfer of BTC to family members or friends etc. who can’t accept fiat)

Hfksnfgitndskfjridnf

The cash reserve is for paying the dividend obligations. It’s already earmarked. It’s really simple: They issued STRC and bought BTC with it. They told us how much that increased Bitcoin per share by. Now Bitcoin per share is less than what it was before they started issuing STRC. This means STRC has permanently decreased their Bitcoin per share from what they’ve issued so far. Future issuance can increase it again, but what they’ve already issued is now at a permanent loss.

mataglius

Hackers cannot "target" a wallet's public transactions, just by having a public key. That does not tell them anything. That's the whole point of entropy. The probability of hitting a seedphrase with actual BTC in it is practically zero, unless something happens that reduces the entropy that generated that seedphrase, like what happened to coldcard. Now, wallets with a good passphrase attached to it would have been defended by the attack, because hackers would have seen an "empty" wallet and probably leave it alone.

Elektroprodukt

I hold my BTC on three different exchanges. If one gets hacked, I’ll still have 2/3 of my BTC left. I have an Trezor Model T, but I haven’t open the box yet. I don’t trust myself to be my own central bank.

Serenaded

these are pretty much the only established non-scam, non-VC centralised slop coins, I wouldn't recommend anyone go further than BTC or ETH either if the goal is long term wealth.

maxcoiner

Thankfully we can all cross borders with light, hot wallets on our phone that don't have much money in them. Of course if you're in the rare scenario where you have to flee your country with your life savings, it's a different story. Back in 2013 I took a Ledger with me all the way across Asia with $50k in BTC on it, back when no one knew what a ledger was yet. I was lucky. Today I wouldn't take a HWW with me at all unless it looked just like a standard USB jump drive. (And these days they'd probably want to clone its' contents if they saw that.) So note to anyone making HWWs: Make them look like USB drives for stealth! (And put a tiny misleading Rubberhose data chip in it to throw feds off the scent if they sneakily try to read or clone it.)

Hfksnfgitndskfjridnf

> The only distinction is that if bitcoin is down or flat for many years in a row, then eventually the bleeding of bitcoin becomes nearly unrecoverable at some point This is the point I’m making. It’s already happened, it’s unrecoverable after just a year. And it happened because they executed incredibly poorly. They issued STRC IPO at $90 and bought BTC at 117k But they then raised cash to support the dividend after BTC had dropped into the 60k range. This means they’ve already lost Bitcoin per share on the STRC IPO, which means it doesn’t matter what BTC compounds at, they already have less than they started with. Can future STRC issuance grow Bitcoin per share? Yes, but the current batch they’ve issued is already a detriment to Bitcoin per share and will keep decreasing it forever.

JustIceberg

You’re conflating institutional exposure with proprietary investment. Most of that BTC is held by the fund on behalf of investors, not as an investment on the institution’s own balance sheet.

vortexcortex21

It's the biggest cope ever to in some way excuse their sale of BTC.

_alkoshi_

I think your core point is right. At this point Strategy looks less like a BTC treasury and more like a leveraged Bitcoin degen. They raised expensive capital, bought BTC, and now have a large recurring $ cost attached to that position. Once they start selling BTC below cost to fund preferred dividends, any later purchase at a higher price just raise the real break-even higher as the realized loss is already locked in. Their published average BTC cost also misses the picture, because every year another $1B+ of preferred dividends has to be funded somehow. So BTC doesn’t just need to get back above Strategy’s purchase price, it needs to get there fast enough. If BTC goes sideways or even drops, time itself starts working against MSTR holders. I'm not sure how much time they have left until they can become liquidated to be honest.

Quiet-Willingness724

This means BTC prices will crash.

scoobiedoobiedoh

I've been pondering this plan: \- 3 x yubikeys with pgp keys genenerated on device. be sure to get a strong PIN on each device \- sign and encrypt the seed words to all 3 devices ( single message or 1 message per device ) \- disperse the 2 of the 3 yubikeys to friends / family. they don't need to know its for BTC \- The encrypted message should be safe to store in multiple places, since it's already encrypted. This obviously doesn't solve succession planning as you are still the only one who can decrypt the message, but you can at least survive a total loss event of your home.

Doctor_Fritz

People here just posting memes. The company utilized the money of this BTC sale to manage ongoing corporate financing requirements, notably making preferred stock dividend payments and covering financing costs. They are also repurchasing shares (such as its STRC preferred shares) as part of a broader shift to adjust its capital structure and bolster cash reserves. While Saylor has famously championed a "never sell" mentality for individual investors, he has clarified that his personal stance is distinct from a publicly traded company's treasury strategy. Strategy's updated treasury framework allows it to leverage its massive Bitcoin reserves as liquid capital when necessary to support corporate operations, manage cash flow, and service security holders. They retain a large cash reserve to prevent liquidation.

stefansilva_xrp

Trump is a conman but a $2T asset cant be seen as a unserious investment environment the use case of BTC is still alibe

DrGrungy

& people on here "Reddit" continue to lead others to BTC! It will not be used for much, if nothing at all. A bunch of bots is what it is.

Doctor_Fritz

Definitely. Those that went through slumps like this are filling their bags ready for the next ath, at which point we'll just DCA out again when everyone is talking about how BTC went up 200% since right now. It's funny how so many are this short sighted.

Previous_Valuable873

Then tether collapses and sub10k territory, essentially having BTC, ETH and XMR as 3 cryptos, the rest will be eradicated.

LinusVPelt

They increased the cash reserves to pay for the obligations. As long as they are able to pay their obligations, the company cannot fail. So by selling BTC, the company will be able to meet their obligations for a longer period. The only way they can go bankrupt is if their BTC holdings go below their total obligations, which should happen with a BTC price of 8k for the convertible notes only, and 27k for the total liabilities + preferred stocks. The key debt is the convertible notes, because they are bonds and must be paid back. If they didn't sell BTC now, they would have less reserves and therefore reach the moment where they won't be able to meet their obligations faster.

daily-trader-365

Nope BTC only

CampApprehensive8733

I sold my BTC at 2k because I was a poor student and needed money...

Dependen212

Arch is hands down the most solid crypto lending platform I've used, mainly because of how they handle custody and margin calls. Had a loan with them since last spring, got margin called in the March dip, they emailed a warning, gave me 24 hours to top up, added some BTC and nobody touched my position. Collateral sits at Anchorage (actual chartered bank), no rehypothecation, interest just accrues til maturity so no monthly payments. Rates were 8ish% when I started, low 7s now. Ledn is probably fine too but after Celsius I only care about who holds the keys, and Arch answered that better than anyone else.

AvailableTie6834

nope, because in Brazil we have a lot of caveats to onramp :) Also, I receive some of my salary in BTC. The Gov knows shit about me.

shleebs

BTC Sessions was the biggest shill for Cold Card out there. Not only that, he positioned himself against core developers with the whole spam debate. Take my downvote!

BainTrain55

It’s pretty remarkable how this BTC cycle is copying 2022 cycle almost to the exact date. Between August 12-19 2022 BTC dropped 7.7%. Watch how it will follow suit.

EarningsPal

Plenty of people will be discovering their missing BTC in the next bull run. Because they will miss all the headlines about the hack.

dj_destroyer

If you have one in your house and one in your safety deposit box, if either burns down, you immediately go to the other and move your BTC to another address.

devCheckingIn

Started off well, but BTC tumbling brought it back down. Can't escape the selling pressure triggered from BTC's moves.

XXsforEyes

Maybe, that is the case for some. Personally, my conviction is based on the way I have educated myself in BTC vs. each of the other asset classes. I know what I’m holding and, more importantly, why. It also relates to time horizon, I’ve watched the inflationary practices of the fiat system my whole life. If I wanted my savings to lose value over time, Fiat would be the ultimate comfort to me, but I don’t. With that in mind, I have not found a better asset class to match my time preference.

Electronic_Quote399

Honestly, if you're new, usually the move is to stick to top 10 crypto at first. If you really want to try meme coins though, check in whatever app youre using for a section where it says "trending" or "new". Look at the all time charts. Most of them launch, pump initially, developers take their money and get out, the coin will crash astronomically. Most of them never come back to all time highs, once in a while, one of them will, but there will still be price activity at the bottom. Its very tough to analyze whether they will bounce back a bit, or just keep slow bleeding out. It's probably 95% luck. If i were you, I would choose a couple from the top 10 that you want to build a position on. Keep the bulk of your investment there. I like ether, solana, hyperliquid. Btc is usually a staple too, but not for me. So, if you have a few thousand to invest, for example, I would go with something like, $1000 BTC, $1000 ETH, $750 SOL, $500 HYPE... then, if you choose a meme coin, keep it between $20-$50. That way, if the price nukes, no big loss, but if it has a crazy 2000% run, you can still catch the upside and make a few hundred. You got a few different types. Btc makes up over half the total crypto market cap, so its king, everything follows it to a point. Then you have your well established utility coins like ether and sol, which are pretty safe bets when it comes to crypto. If you want lower cap utility tokens which have more potential upside, you can check out coins like Keeta or Morpho, those are projects that aim for network usage and utility, but are still small enough that they can massively fail, or they can see explosive gains if they catch on. You have to be careful when choosing low cap utilities, there are SO many of them, most of them are gonna be duds, so aim for the ones with goals and partnerships that you like. Keeta is partnering with LayerZero, and they are trying to tokenize real world assets like gold and oil for the UAE. Morpho has a crazy disproportionate amount of value locked on chain, and they just partnered with coinbase to make their DeFi lending protocol seamless and easy. Thats why I like them, but they're still risky plays. Meme coins are a completely different category. They operate on traders and hype alone. All gamblers. Now that doesnt mean you cant make money off them, but it does mean they aren't a long term investment. If you make profit on one, lock it in, sell a good portion of your tokens. Don't round trip them. Watch them closely, develop a strategy, and dont risk too much.

hodler1992

For an open-source, privacy-focused service, I’d target places where Bitcoiners already actively look for things to spend sats on rather than just generic crypto directories. The strongest options right now are: BTC Map — especially good if there is any real-world/local aspect to your service. It’s open-source and built around businesses accepting Bitcoin. � BTC Map Cryptwerk — probably one of the most useful general directories for an online service. It specifically lists websites and services where users can pay with Bitcoin, and it currently offers a free listing tier. � cryptwerk.com +1 Spendabit — worth submitting to. They explicitly have a business directory for service companies such as hosting providers, not only physical products. � spendabit.co +1 BitcoinWide — another directory for online and offline businesses accepting Bitcoin. � bitcoinwide.com Nostr — not really a conventional directory, but potentially much more valuable for you. The overlap between Nostr users, Bitcoiners, privacy advocates and open-source people is huge compared with mainstream social networks. Bitcoin/Lightning commerce is already part of the Nostr ecosystem. � The Bitcoin Manual For your particular project, I actually wouldn't make the marketing message merely “we accept Bitcoin.” That's not unusual enough anymore. I'd push something closer to: Open source. Privacy first. No surveillance. Pay with Bitcoin. And if you accept Lightning, make that extremely obvious. Cryptwerk even maintains a separate Lightning merchant section, which tells you that people actively search specifically for Lightning-enabled services. � cryptwerk.com The other thing I'd do is post the project itself rather than advertise it like a company. Something along the lines of “I built this privacy-focused open-source service, Bitcoin/Lightning is supported, here's the GitHub repo — I'd love feedback from Bitcoiners.” That approach will generally land much better in places like r/Bitcoin, Nostr, BitcoinTalk and relevant self-hosting/privacy communities than conventional promotional copy. And here's the slightly sneaky bit 😄: give Bitcoin users a small BTC-only incentive. Something like 5–10% cheaper when paying in Bitcoin/Lightning, or an extra feature/usage allowance. You're currently asking a fiat user to change payment habits for no tangible benefit. Give them a reason to click the ₿ button. For a privacy service specifically, I'd prioritize Nostr → relevant Bitcoin Reddit communities → Cryptwerk → Spendabit → BitcoinWide, in roughly that order. The privacy/open-source angle is probably going to acquire you more Bitcoin users than merely appearing in fifty crypto directories. If you tell me what the service actually does, I can also suggest the specific Bitcoin/Privacy/Nostr communities where I'd launch it and how I'd word the post without making it sound like spam.

Remarkable_Wish_5106

They don't directly own any BTC as far as I know of, they do offer a BTC ETF for investors.

thatoldtimerevision

If they messed up the entropy rng, what else did they mess up? Do you know? Are you willing to bet your BTC on it? It's all risk, no reward. There's no reason to ever touch a CC again.

ahoysharpie

Serious question: where did the money come from to reimburse BTC when Mt. Gox went under? I know users got paid from that like a decade after it happened

Oheson

STRC is a company, not a person. Two different objectives. Saylor has never sold any of his personal BTC.

toddgak

They do keep your BTC safe if you can randomly generate a private key.

ericgriffin93

Adoption certainly not looking like we imagined it would 😅 We're waiting for the tipping point, we're getting grandma navigating a BTC Depot like a Wells Fargo ATM. But honestly, this should be considered more of a meaningful snapshot for adoption than we're giving it credit for...

Cryptomuscom

Fiat forces everyone to be a money manager, but BTC alone won't fix human nature

c0dewerks

A BTC maxi told me in 2021: "Alt coins exist to take your Bitcoin." Oversimplified, yes. But not entirely incorrect depending on your thesis. Disclaimer: I hold alts + BTC, and also made some unfortunate swaps like OP.

GilbyGlibber

I thought he started STRC to fund BTC purchases, not the other way around 

WestJobs

Many won’t get it because they’re not disciplined enough in their investment or they’ve got a really good buffer of cash that makes their BTC investment truly disposable. I made a similar choice recently and I’m able to actually treat myself to new things whilst still being financially responsible. Not everyone gets this and they should know that that’s okay

Iapetus404

chill is just -50%. usually BTC go down 70-80% every bear cycle! but every bull run goes up from all time high. This cycle bottom was 18K and all time high 126K. Just relax and wait!

The_Roaring_Fork

Look at all of the non BTC though

cubeeless

BTC to $400k!

Tight-Adhesiveness46

BTC holding above 64k with this much macro noise this week feels more like consolidation than conviction. Curious if anyone's reading the volume differently.

whisperedstate

Talks about how this forum gives terrible advice. Proceeds to provide terrible advice to buy BTC "because it's always gone up in the past". Well at least it makes your thesis consistent.

StackingSats1300

I have one - nothing BTC related in it as it's a giant honeypot for a thief's attention. Take my gun, take my cash, ignore the other stuff hidden elsewhere.

Last_Ad_301

Exactly! It's called 'rotation'. What most institutional investors do on the daily. Not everyone has a religious devotion to BTC and will rotate out into better performing investments.

cucurucu007

BTC support?

Fortune_Donut7432

It's a question of patience. But I feel like people don't see BTC as the main thing, people see cryptocurrencies and investment possibilities.

mrjune2040

Most people don’t understand how most things work in the world, especially the most commonplace inventions. It’s good that it’s shifted from the ideological (which was always problematic for BTC imo as it bordered on something quasi-religious at times) and into the democratic hoi polloi in terms of uptake.

Hfksnfgitndskfjridnf

Because they already have less Bitcoin per share than before they started selling STRC. That means STRC is already a failure for shareholders. The whole point of issuing STRC was that Bitcoin would grow faster than the dividend payments so you can increase Bitcoin per share. Since they bought BTC at 80k+ and waited until it dropped to 60k before raising 3 years of cash reserves, they’ve actually decreased their Bitcoin per share. So it doesn’t matter what Bitcoin grows at from this point, it’s already a net loss. All that Bitcoin growth does is decrease how much more they lose.

Hfksnfgitndskfjridnf

Because they already have less Bitcoin per share than before they started selling STRC. That means STRC is already a failure for shareholders. The whole point of issuing STRC was that Bitcoin would grow faster than the dividend payments so you can increase Bitcoin per share. Since they bought BTC at 80k+ and waited until it dropped to 60k before raising 3 years of cash reserves, they’ve actually decreased their Bitcoin per share. So it doesn’t matter what Bitcoin grows at from this point, it’s already a net loss. All that Bitcoin growth does is decrease how much more they lose.

anymonero

BTC has 100% lost its vibe when it was adopted by wallstreet and bankers. It's all just boring price speculation now, all the crypto anarchists moved to Monero.

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arielsskudra11

Only invest money you want to save for the long-term. There is no need to cut back on things you need in life, just so you can accumulate more BTC. I made that same mistake for years. DCAing can save you a lot of nerves and anxiety. After a while you even stop caring and stop checking the price every minute

TheBitcoin21

Well I recently completed 1 bitcoin. Tbh, I was kinda in the same situation: I was so orange-pilled that it seemed I was just living to accumulate btc. I'm pulling the paddle of the gas as know I'm not going to touch this 1 btc for decades. Now, I'll live a little outside just accumulation. I know how deep one can get into this because BTC simply is one of a kind experiment/asset in the human race!!

WelcomeCommon3144

https://preview.redd.it/kt0jj6j20qih1.jpeg?width=577&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5788f644bad6fe7e664e78a134c86ddd7eb87d9e Tokenomics is the same as BTC , just 2 decimals instead of 8.

Particular_Yard_2460

> it's BTC and LBTC only What about the LGBTC? Doesn't seem very inclusive.

Classic-Charity-2179

"Best" is like "optimized": it's meaningless without the "for" statement. Like a number is meaningless without a unit.  Coldcard was certainly the best BTC wallet... For performing a retirement attack...

Elistheman

No trust. My CC is in the drawer collecting dust. I can’t believe this was touted as the best BTC wallet.

KjHoveysLoveChild

Not even worth it anymore, unless you own a warehouse and can make enough BTC to pay for the power bill *and* make a profit...

Leithm

Well if you consider Bitcoin as having shit Tokenomics. BTC price was about 30x at the same point in its issuance schedule. Do yourself a favour and do a little research. [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/scFITNDCUXg](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/scFITNDCUXg) [https://x.com/PeterRizun/status/2078059071505367294](https://x.com/PeterRizun/status/2078059071505367294) And if you don’t know who Peter and Andrew are you probably shouldn’t be playing with crypto. [https://nexa.org/team](https://nexa.org/team)

angelwolf71885

As long as a Bitcoin can be easily mined we are still early…once the reward drops below 0.5 BTC per block reward then we will be late to the party

sophie2701

buy BTC, wait 17 more years (and longer), look back on your post, and you got an answer. Bitcoin has just started, and even though crypto somehow seems commercial, because it gained for attention instution wise, howevet, it's still niche. How many people really hold bitcoin, how many people know sometjing about blockchain? If random people would be asked on the streets, I bet everyone knows it's name back from 2012 or something and knows that it went up...but most won't know anything else about it. It has some kind of popularity, however, crypto and blockchain is not yet common knowledge. If institutions are interested, we should be interested as well, because that's were a decentralized asset gets held by institutions once again. If you hold it, good for you. Probably it will go further down, but not down the drain...and it will go up again, I believe, further than one can probably imagine…

unknowngloomth

Yeah. Shit tokenomics. There are still about 11 trillions coins to get into circulation. How isn't that shit tokenomics? And bruh. "Trillions" how come you compare this shitcoin to BTC at all?

Leithm

Shit tokenomics? Same issuance as BTC, now 53.4% mined  FDV of 11m. Mkay.

Next-Ambassador9097

For me I will probably wait too. The first BTC move after CPI feels more and more like a trap lately. If yields and DXY don’t confirm it, I wouldn’t be surprised to see BTC give the whole move back and trap everyone.

sophie2701

am a big fan of blockstreams jade few side facts: \- On setup, you choose a PIN. This PIN is combined with a **blind PIN server** (“blind oracle”) to encrypt your key material — the oracle never sees your actual seed, hence “blind" \- The decryption key is effectively **split in two**: one part lives on the device, the other is retrieved from the oracle (via blockstream mobile green wallet) each time you unlock \-> All communication between Jade and the Green app is encrypted end-to-end. Net result: if someone physically steals a **locked** Jade, there’s genuinely nothing of value to extract — no seed sits fully assembled on the device. \- Fully **open-source hardware and firmware** — you can literally build your own from the published GitHub repo if you’re into that. And for all Bitcoiners: it's BTC and LBTC only, with LBTC swapping features also for Jade

Azatis-

It is all about BTC, ETH and few more that are in med-high risk terittory like SOL, BNB, XRP etc

Advo96

> BTC is the only cryptocurrency with any value. BTC does not have any economic use case either. It serves no real-world purpose other than speculation, tax evasion, fraud and money laundering. BTC will go the same way as all the other cryptocurrencies, only later.

VendettaKarma

That or just give up and buy BTC or ETFs on exchanges. You can’t even trust self custody anymore. But wait! Maybe someone could make a white paper and a new “project” to fix it! Nah, they’ll just rug pull you too.

Mooks79

There’s a balance and OP clearly wants to shift it - that’s perfectly fine. Not everyone is happy accumulating every possible satoshi today, and eating noodles in a hovel. Some people would be happy having slightly less BTC in the future and living a better life today. Obviously you don’t want to swing completely the other direction but life is about balance.

TheBigBRRRR

The passphrase is like a password. If you use a weak passphrase it can definitely get hacked if the hacker suspects that your BTC is protected by a passphrase.

Romanizer

If Bitcoin literally disappeared tomorrow, ~$1.3T of market value would disappear with it. ETF investors, public companies with BTC treasuries, miners, exchanges, custodians, lenders, derivatives traders and millions of holders would notice immediately. Entire businesses and balance sheets would be impaired overnight. Would your local supermarket stop working? No. But “civilization would continue” is an extraordinarily low bar for claiming an asset has no relevance. Apple, Microsoft or basically everything else you invest in could disappear tomorrow and most humans could still eat their breakfast.

Syrion1984

1 BTC is what I've been working towards for just over a year now. I should get there (or close) by 2030 as I'm DCA-ing with a fixed amount every month. I truly believe 1 BTC will represent life-changing money in the future!

Odd_Challenge_524

Yes, I agree. You should just start stacking again, OP. It will be harder to get back to 5 BTC but not impossible, especially since we are still at sub $70K.

Duxopes

Microstrategies macro strategy is funding its purchases through loans. Meaning they have to pay interest and fund the company. This means in order to minimalize that kind of impact they will sell BTC sometimes or the company is like to default on payments. Thats at least what I got from the man itself by deducting his words. He already said theyve maxed out on loans in conventional means.

didnt_hodl

everybody was saying BTC will tank if they start selling. well they are selling it regularly now and BTC price could care less similarly, once STRC gets a proper credit rating (in view of the huge BTC collateral and giant USD reserves), there will be no need to pay a crazy, junk bond level interest of 12%. eventually, in the limit, STRC dividend will be only slightly above the risk free rate. and it would still be popular, since the dividend is also tax-deferred or essentially tax free for the first 10 years or so

ubermensch1001

2024-2025 was basically just a BTC bull market, with some alts just tagging along or doing very little. To put this into perspective, ETH was at the same price in the summer of 2023 as it is now, while BTC back then was trading around 25-30k. You had a couple that did really well, Solana and XRP, but the alts collectively have done NOTHING since 2021. Sure, you had some opportunities for swing trades, but in terms of an actual alt season it never occurred. I do think we will have an alt season at some point, the variables for that to occur based around monetary policy just weren't there in 2024 through 2025.

Outrageous_Hall1090

No more than 21 mil people could own a full BTC

tom_murray_nw

Sounds like we've ended up in a pretty similar place! Once I got to an amount of BTC I was comfortable with, I stopped feeling like every spare bit of investment money needed to go into it. I'm still very bullish on Bitcoin long term, but I'd rather build up the equities side of my portfolio now and let the existing BTC position do its thing.

Gangaman666

This sub has long been compromised and infiltrated by bad faith actors. It's really sad because 5-10yrs ago this sub was the place for intelligent discussion. Now it's a cesspool of anti BTC losers and banker/wallstreet bots spreading misinformation and fear.

Ok-Amphibian3164

MSTR has outperformed BTC returns since they adopted the Crypto reserve strategy and moved strictly from a software company. End of discussion. This will continue YOY.

ardus666

OP I'm highly confused. I just came back from vacation, out of country, and still stack BTC. What's the issue you're having?

NorskKiwi

Sounds elegant, but it's just incorrect imho. The stock market pumping invalidates your thesis, no? I think for people to want to rotate to BTC they'd need to see returns/a better chart. If we go sideways/crab up for a year it will play it's part in this.