BTC

jandrew1994

BTC was never going to 1M in 2025, my educated guess was 160K-180K top Q4.

Difficult-Desk6870

Eth is better suited for this than BTC can ever be.

jandrew1994

$280 BTC now for over $3 Billion. Ideally you take $7 Million in cash so you could still buy a house with fiat and take 25,000 BTC. You'd still have $1.6B in BTC if you hodled ten years, or maybe you sold some in late 2021, bought back in at the end of 2022 and 3x'd what you had anyway..

NothingxGood

Is MSTR a positive force for Bitcoin or a negative one? Do you see MSTR being successful along with Bitcoin, or believe it will fail while BTC continues to succeed?

Ok-Topic1139

I mean i sold in October and waiting for bear market bottom signs. Which we are still far from. Go back and look at cycle history…… My only regret was that I was stupid enough to hold trough the 2018 an 2020 bear markets. Hoodling is t optimal at all. Its basically dead money during bear market. And as opposed to stock market, BTC spends more time in bear market/chop than bull market. Its not a guarantee we hit sub 50. But anything under 60 K would be a good buy if long term perspective. But time wise we are still months away from a bottom. Too early to bottom fish.

NFTbyND

What evidence did he provide for those accusations? What if he swapped a P2P pool and got BTC linked to those activities?

Idaho1964

Is there any link to the degree of leveraging short and long in BTC at any given time?

JudgeCheezels

She bought BTC at 120k and got caught panties down, now bag holding.

ColdOverYonder

If he knew the future, sure. But BTC was absolutely seen as a very high risk volatile 'thing' at best or a scam at worst, in 2015.

BestialitySurprise

I agree with all of this. Like with any commodity, there's many idiots who buy when the price rises and panic sell when it's dropping, which is the opposite of what you should be doing. For the long-term, just buy as you have available cash and wait out the ups and downs; those who try to play the market in the short-term, usually lose money. You can make educated buys and sells based on extreme changes, such as $100k+ being a great exit point and of course, it is now buying territory. The only thing on my mind at this point is as BTC takes on a huge overall market value, the swings will have to subside at some point. And it's possible for BTC to take a huge gain when it becomes mainstream, fall back and then settle out at that price level and make slower gains from there, but also no huge dips. I don't know if we've hit that point yet or not, but I think it'll come soon and the huge ups and downs will finally be over.

HSuke

The math is pretty easy. They currently have 715k BTC, which is $49B worth. * $49B * 0.10 = $5B * $49B * 0.12 = $6B They can't fully cover it if it drops 90%, but they can if it drops 88%. But the debt isn't their only cost since they also choose to pay preferred share dividends.

rmn_swiss

Yeah, this time was different, as most alts underperformed. There just wasn’t enough retail liquidity in the market. The fact that sites like PumpFun were pumping out tokens en masse didn’t help either. For now, I would mostly DCA into $BTC.

BahtMann

I'm predicting that BTC will dump Monday night, just in time to crash US market

Raph0uX

OK so he could have 13M$ or 14M$ and he chose 14M$... He could have bought 53k BTC with it. Are you all stupid or is this a roleplay sub ?

IMDeus_21

Didn't a Trump buddy just liquidate massive amounts of BTC yesterday?

InsideOutside-1

Time to short BTC?

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BahtMann

The last time he bought, BTC tanked a few days later😅

Praline_Middle

Well many people where calling for <10k BTC in 2022. It only went to 15.5k for a few minutes than reversed. I'm thinking we might see sold 32 to 38k by Oct. 2026.

Dmoan

4 years ago she said BTC will be at 1 million in 4 years.

longonbtc

Which exchange is best for you depends on what country you are a resident of. I recommend buying bitcoin from [Strike](https://strike.me/), [River](https://river.com/), or [Swan Bitcoin](https://www.swanbitcoin.com/). [Cash App](https://cash.app/bitcoin) is also a good option if you use direct deposit. All four of these platforms are reliable. [River](https://river.com/) and [Strike](https://strike.me/) are the best platforms to set up an automatic hourly, daily, weekly, or monthly recurring purchase schedule (automatic dollar cost averaging schedule). If you set up an automatic hourly, daily, weekly, or monthly recurring purchase schedule on River, then River stops charging you fees after the first week. https://river.com/zero-fee If you set up an automatic hourly or daily recurring purchase schedule on Strike, then Strike stops charging you fees after the first week. And if you set up an automatic weekly or monthly recurring purchase schedule on Strike, then Strike stops charging you fees after the first automatic purchase. https://strike.me/faq/how-do-i-set-up-a-recurring-purchase/ You should also be aware that exchanges get to choose how much they want to charge their customers for withdrawing bitcoin from their platform. This fee is referred to as a bitcoin withdrawal fee. Some exchanges choose not to charge a bitcoin withdrawal fee at all (meaning it's free to withdraw bitcoin). [Swan Bitcoin](https://www.swanbitcoin.com/) chooses not to charge a bitcoin withdrawal fee. [Strike](https://strike.me/) chooses not to charge a bitcoin withdrawal fee if you choose the slowest option. [Cash App](https://cash.app/bitcoin) chooses not to charge a bitcoin withdrawal fee if you withdraw 0.001 BTC or more and you choose the standard speed option. [River](https://river.com/) chooses to give their customers one free bitcoin withdrawal per month. You say you don't have interest in buying shitcoins and then you contradict yourself in the same sentence by talking about possible spontaneous purchases of a premined and centralized shitcoin that was only created to enrich the founders and venture capitalist insiders.

This-Adhesiveness-52

It all depend when BTC bottoms, you never know how much btc dropping can keep pulling ltc down with it.

This-Adhesiveness-52

Yes, but on the way down all graphs follow the BTC graph down, if BTC go's down alts go down, the graphs down look almost identical to btc graph. We have to wait untill the BTC bullmarket to see alt coins rise again, the only recovery we see is because btc recovered a bit that day. But as long that BTC keeps going down it drags LTC and all other coins with it. 

This-Adhesiveness-52

As long as BTC keeps dropping it drags all alts down with it so worst case BTC drops to 45.000 euro and dragges LTC down with it to 30 euro . And then waiting untill BTC reaches 80.000 again after the bottom at 45.000 and when it surges LTC will ride on that bitcoin wave up again, but it could still take some months till BTC bottoms to 45.000 and starts to surge again. I already bought 2 dips. 1 at 65 euro and 1 at 55 euro and if it drops again another buy at 40 euro but like a few months i do hope so, will depend if BTC already bottomed 6 feb if not we could go down a lot lower.   But i also do think it will back to a 100 euro once BTC reaches 80.000 euro again but could take untill end this year. But also really hope it will only be 2 months. But don't be frustrated if btc keeps falling and drags LTC with it to it's bottom first. Better if you buy in pieces, you can never time the market. 

DripPureLSDonMyCock

I remember when BTC hit 13 and I told my buddy "are you finally gonna buy some or what?!?!" He said when it goes back down to 10k. I think people are scared so they set these low ball mental purchase orders. It is the truth though. Waiting for it to go 10k lower is fine but also if you believe it keeps going up in the long run then what's the difference really.

nugymmer

Last string of uninterrupted red was between August 2018 and January 2019. BTC will likely never see plunges like that again, but who knows?

babbs1738

He’s done 98 purchases so far. His 99th purchase will be larger than his last one which was 1,142 BTC

MasterChipss

No. Just tired of the wailing about price going down. Why not focus on positives of BTC instead?

Legal-Net-4909

Believing BTC goes higher long term doesn’t mean entry doesn’t matter at all. If someone has limited capital or higher risk sensitivity, waiting for a better risk to reward zone makes sense psychologically.

OnlyKey5675

Shitcoins are a fools game. A lot of these coins pumped five years ago because you had a lot of people coming into crypto with the thought that they missed the BTC pump so they better get in on the next one. So people bought up polkadot, cardano, tezos etc..Remmeber vechain? FFS. I honestly wouldn't put a penny into anything but BTC or ETH.

Tikiterps

Look at their post history, literally thousands of bear MSTR BTC posts.

chefdisco

To be fair, she did buy a fat bag in 2015 for around $250 per BTC.

MasterChipss

No. 1: Fiat $ is always being debased by inflation and there is no limit to the amount. No. 2: BTC is limited to 21M. Need I say more, or do you get it now?

Intrepid-Gas7872

Yes, and the 4-year return of BTC is 400%. See what cherry picking dates can do?

hawaiizach

Also BTC Sessions - many of these people have been guests on there

ObiWanRyobi

Why would that tank BTC? Or do you mean they’re liquidating BTC and moving into defense or other stocks that may go up in war-time?

Nikki123777

I bought 2000 usd worth of Bitcoin at 61,000 and then sold it at 70.888 Initial Investment: $2,000 USD Purchase Price: $61,000 Sale Price: $70,888 Bitcoin Acquired: 0.03278689 BTC ($2,000 / $61,000) Sale Amount: 0.03278689 BTC $70,888 = $2,324.22 USD Profit: Net Profit: $324.22 USD ($2,324.22 - $2,000) Percentage Gain: 16.21% minus fees took that profit and bought my daughter her school fees (public school is amazingly cheap in Costa Rica). 63$ for the year for uniforms and random stuff. Payed my low budget capital one credit card off. Well I thought. lol that credit card sucks. They returned the money to my bank account and gave me late fees. Decided to keep that cash and pay some utilities lol. 😂 #Costa Rica light bill 💵 monthly depending on where you live 33$ no air con it’s freezing at night. Beautiful in the day. Phone bill (cell) 29$ Kolbi Internet 100 up and 100 down 50$ ( need to change plans. Enjoy the ride. Live for today. Maybe 7 days plan for. I mean the earth was created in 7.

OregonBroncoNix

Ben is a pure fundamentals kind of guy. His videos can be very informative, but also dry as concrete. He is far than a shit coin enthusiast and pretty much a BTC maxi. I'd say give his videos a few views and decide on your own. I have followed Ben for about 5 years now and he is solid. Also, you might also like to check out CTO Larsen. Another fundamentals kind of guy, but he is seldom off the mark.

Carbonaraficionada

14m apartment, order was 1m below ask, for 50k BTC makes the price at the time around $260. You know he's kicking himself.

noviwu97

Sell everything to BTC

Alarming_Copy_4117

Jamie Dimon, Larry Fink and other public figures were still bashing BTC into the ground at this time period

Vangogh500

Yeah I feel like people forget that there are other cryptocurrencies besides bitcoin. I guarantee if BTC falls that far most likely another chain will take its place.

OldHamburger7923

Yeah, BTC had a going rate at the time. The seller could have just as easily taken the cash then converted it into BTC immediately. I never understood people who bragged about being paid for work in BTC either. Just work for cash and stack the sats.

Total_Cod_1111

BTC is a wild ride. If you're prone to complaining don't get on board.

richardto4321

Another stupid "what if" story. Even if the seller was silly enough to speculate on BTC with their multi-million dollar real estate property in 2015, they would have sold it long before it reached today's price levels.

BTC_is_waterproof

The sell an apt for BTC on the new show. I watched it a week ago

BaadMike

Everytime some one moves any amount of Bitcoin from one address to another, a fee is generated. For example, a transaction could include 0.00003860 BTC as a transaction fee. At $70k Bitcoin, that is roughly $2.70. However, some can pretty low, like 0.00000220 BTC, which is roughly $0.15. Each block a miner writes gives the miner 3.125 BTC plus the transaction fees. You can look at the last blocked mined and the transactions for each of those blocks. As of this posting the last block was 936,185. https://blockstream.info/

Rydog_78

50,000 BTC could have bought him the entire block today.

mrjune2040

I think BTC at 100k is overly optimistic for a relief rally at this point, and more short-term downside is also totally possible. No way to predict anything but I personally wouldn’t want the risk of that exposure (but obviously rooting for it lol). But sure, alts will also rally if BTC gets to 100k. Fwiw I put Polkadot in exactly the same tier as Cardano- basically failed chains from a development perspective that will never get a critical mass of users or institutional support. Both are just lucky that they have deep liquidity and wide market participation- hence why your bet might work in the short-term. Good luck!

zhumail134

depends on the BTC price, assuming it worth 10million/coin that time , then it is still very profitable

GPThought

52% from ATH sounds scary but look at 2018 and 2022. we dropped like 75-80% from the top both times before the next leg up. 52% drawdown in a bull market is actually not that unusual for BTC — happened in may 2021 too and we still hit new ATH later that year. question is whether the macro supports another push. with rate cuts potentially coming and ETF inflows still positive even during the dip, this feels more like a correction than a bear market reversal. but nobody actually knows

vigo6969

I don't think that's the case. I took advantage of the BTC drops, buying short-term with 100x leverage. Maybe the app was fake and all that, but the external information wasn't. When silver and gold went up, Bitcoin fell, and that's when I took advantage. My point is that if I had been using a regulated or more reliable app, it would be a different story now, and that's what I'm looking for now: a reliable application that I can trade with.

ShittingOutPosts

How does the preferred equity get liquidated? Or is MSTR taking out loans against something to acquire more BTC? I thought it was all preferred equity and share selling. I’m probably wrong though.

Hypednino

“It’s the same in every cycle” yea ok pal Similar to the $400 to $20,000 run up you saw a lot of BTC on news or mentioned by vcs,ceos and hedge funds. People fucking hated wallsreet for telling them to buy at $14,000 and literally 6 months later it’s trading at 2,000. This will go the same way. $15,000 sooner than later

Animosity-IX

Please explain this fundamental flaw rather than just leaving a vague answer that makes you think your the smartest in the room. I would say BTC is fundamentally flawed because it relies on number going up to maintain network security. It steadily rewards rent-seekers that provide 0 value and is not functionally able to be integrated on any large scale as a usable p2p digital currency/money system hence the "digital gold" narrative. It also is not designed to exist indefinately without some form of future intervention as the last BTC will be mined around 2140. I could go on but no point really to continue.

Icantw8

I got there when BTC was ~4k and stayed there since.

GaryKlj

I trade 15 min prediction BTC on Kalshi.

EarningsPal

As long as the supply doesn’t change and someone keeps running the network then it still exists. If it still exists, then it will be traded against all other currencies somewhere. If it’s traded against currencies they continue to inflate then the price will be higher. It’s possible the price lags gold or stock investments, but if the broader stock market goes up so will BTC.

EntitateDigitala

Now we all look at a BTC transaction with different eyes, but in 2015 there wasn't the credibility there is now.

itllbefine21

I agree with you. She started out strong and kept her bias pretty much in check. Then her personal views started to color her podcasts and I just couldn't take it anymore. I like Stephan Livera. Citadel dispatch and what Bitcoin did when Peter was host have the big brains on usually. But sometimes it gets a little more into the mechanics of function than current events. Lawrence leppard, Bitcoin mechanic, matt Odell, Lynn Alden are all good guests. I really like NVK, he's set in his mind and mostly opinionated but I like that he believes in his cause and fights for it. There a few others. You can basically just search BTC in Spotify and find 20 to test out.

Th3onib

BTC drops at least 77% in bear markets from its top, and that's about 30k, anyone that thinks we don't see that believes in miracles. It also would surprise me if we wick down to 25k. A lot of people are leveraged, when we start going below 40, a lot of those people will have to start selling. The cycle is the cycle until it's not, and until it shows us the cycle is different, anyone thinking 50k is a good buy definitely has more then one azholes on their body

riscten

I like this approach. As long as you buy back the BTC it's all good! Spend and replace.

Lindson88

So BTC cap is $21 Quadrillion overnight when a rough estimate of all wealth combined on the planet is $500-600 Trillion?

FromThePits

Retail below wholecoiners holds under 1,4M BTC of the 20M mined. Doesn't make a difference if you or I choose to sell our meager fraction to them. We are already there. It's a different game now. Source : Top 100 Richest Bitcoin Addresses and Bitcoin distribution https://share.google/bveiy80utdq921dWP

Ok-Maintenance2034

So Ripple being at WEF and representing policy creation for CLARITY ACT and for IMF amongst others, while being in countless writeups and documents and articles about XRP AND XRPLEDGERS/Interledgers and having direct communication and business dealings with all of the major institutions world wide being at WEF and all those at WEF being at RIPPLE SWELL even speaking directly on stage about tokenization and cross border payments, Ripple getting a banking license and licenses they need to operate in different Countries to utilize the XRPL, record breaking XRP ETFS being launched by major financial institutions, Japan government officials and major institutions heavily banking on and adopting and sponsoring XRP, Reserves being structured and created around XRP and its future etc etc..., but yet you don't think there is a bright future for XRP? I'm not being rude, I'm just curious to see where that conclusion comes from? What will Ripple do? It was all a scam and a scheme for decades of hard work? Being sued and fighting for XRP and crypto as a whole... after all of that, they will just get rid of all the XRP and all of the XRP rails and XRPL rails and constructions made to work with current institutional infrastructure as well as the new ones which are yet to fully be put in place...they will just dump it and restructure all over again with institutions currently already utilizing it and the rails utilizing it and the XRPL,,, they will just throw it all away or??? lololol. It sounds like so many people talk without realizing how much work is put in place and how legit bat shit conspiracy theory it all sounds... At the same time though, It seems you are realizing it is heavily undervalued? XRP is not ready yet to be utilized at the scale it needs to be...hence clarity act and bringing forth the digital finance age! The revolution that is underway...is what is happening and being regulated and institutionalized and legalized now is it not? I mean from the information i gather its being all put in the works, I think the future is beyond bright for ANY of the top coins bringing utility to the new digital finance space which is in the midst of creation... Maybe i am wrong though,, but it seems people keep intertwining the current FIAT age with what's yet to come and this is where things get blurred in some aspects of crypto! Everyone should come together and be investing in all of the top 10 -20 assets which are pretty much guaranteed to be apart of the future and that alone could pump all of our bags...but yet people would rather argue about things they don't even research while being hypocrites about decentralization and all sorts of other jargon not realizing ETFS and banks are what pumped their BTC bags last bullrun and why BTC is where it is now lol... Anyway i am not hating on anyone or you, I am giving a realistic perspective as a holder/investor of multiple assets and researching each one i am involved in extensively... Research and knowledge is key...It creates less arguments as well as when facts are known, rumors and hearsay doesn't have a chance to be involved in the conversation.

Alexbobica

It depends on the risk that you are ready to take. BTC is a safe investment, and I stick mostly to it. I have some funds in long-term projects (SOL, TAO, AIOZ, and INJ), but mostly stick to BTC. In this circle, it turned out to be a good decision.

doyzer9

Usually an old pc/laptop that you never connect to the internet. There are many methods, for BTC using Electrum or Sparrow are most common for true cold storage.

Juan_Paz

My lender does BTC transactions now…

Blueberry_Dependent

Buy a Trezor, allocate BTC each month or every 2 weeks on days when the price is going down and forget about it

EstimateSpecial5442

This is actually really cool the Mona Lisa remix looks clean. Adding the BTC QR is a nice idea too, just hope nobody tries to mess with it.

XXsforEyes

This comes up all the time and from the responses of people way more technologically informed than I am… Spent coins are the ones at risk because QC could work the hash out backward. If they’ve never been spent, they’re secure. Satoshi never spent his coins. A hard fork can take care of the QC threat, and the BTC developers and minors are more tuned into when/how that would happen than other institutions. QC can more easily defend than attack. As others have said, BTC would be in a long line behind more valuable targets.

Bongressman

1/20th the entire supply of BTC? That would catastrophically crash the price. Just the "hint" of Satoshi's wallets waking up would heavily affect the price. That why people keep an eye on them all the time. That said, no one should be freezing anyone's wallets.

Top-Care-8946

That's why I decided to start with BTC. Most secure. Multi adressing transaction makes it different from other coins/networks. I have also activated ETH account but I am still observing and evaluating if it's worth to buy also ETH. Meanwhile all crypto markets are currently in red, I think that BTC has the best chances to overcome from that low point.

Mazoku-chan

So you are implying using BTC to move dirty money around is ok?

LakeEffekt

How has it been beat by QQQ? QQQ has roughly doubled. BTC has obviously been more volatile, but one could have purchased around $16-22k and sold well over $100K Double vs 6/7x… wouldn’t call that getting “beat”

EntitateDigitala

Most people feel the same because they don't know how to short crypto. And it all starts with internet ads that "teach" you to buy BTC, stocks, and others, but I haven't seen a single ad that teaches how to sell BTC, stocks, etc.

Mazoku-chan

>but as we know BTC has no frontiers Any digital transaction doesn't have them. The magic of the internet.

Seattleman1955

I haven't found any. None of them talk about any possible cons or negatives. If you do, you are just a "hater". It's probably 50/50 that Bitcoin, as a speculative investment will have a smaller market cap in 10 years than in 5 years. No one mentions that as a possibility. It's either BTC at $1 million or maybe it's $750k. No one realistically points out that for lump sum investing, BTC has been beat over the last 4 years by QQQ. With any kind of speculative investment people can just lose interest and move on to other things. Fiat can still be debased and not have BTC take over the world. There is no nuance. I find it more interesting to consider and price in the realist down sides as well as the up sides. Few others seem to however.

LsDally98

I second you. BTC maxis are insufferable. Their sole mission is to convince everybody else that financial opportunities are not to be taken if found outside of BTC. Smart money don’t give a damn, liquidity has no name.

riscten

Back in 2017 I spent 0.05 BTC on Forza Horizon 3 because it was slightly cheaper if I bought with Bitcoin. In retrospect, that's the most money I spent on a videogame to this day. I'm completely aware that this line is reasoning is completely flawed. Every dollar not invested in Bitcoin in the early days is technically an expensive mistake for all of us, and Bitcoin would've never grown in value if people never used it as a currency.

optionstrategy

BTC crashes to below 10k by the summer.

MotleyMoney

The "100% win rate" is nonsense. Jin lost $250 million in a single liquidation on January 31, 2026, pushing his lifetime P&L to negative $128 million. (Our Crypto Talk) He built ~$900M in leveraged longs on ETH/BTC/SOL that blew up during the "Warsh Shock." The actual story: A wallet associated with Jin is moving large amounts to exchanges. That part appears to be on-chain verifiable. But 0xNobler is packaging it with a false premise ("Trump insider," "100% win rate") to maximize engagement and panic.

TheresNoSecondBest

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cryptorevolution999

Bro, you are talking about 68k, not 1 million. And there is a really high chance that it will go down to 40k. It's absurd how people.think that wealth can be made by holding BTC. If you are smart and lucky you can open a business and make millions. Once you have done that, BTC will be a fun assets to hold.

MyEXTLiquidity

You can just say you’re new and scared of the volatility lol But cherry picking data is cherry picking. If you did this when BTC was at 125k your whole thesis would be wrong  I’m not some bitcoin maxi or big bitcoin believer I basically buy the world and bitcoin is a small %.  I will say, I feel bitcoin does need actively managed in a portfolio to offset the volatility. But it is predictable and it’s not hard to roughly double your money every 3-4 years. I sold most of my stack above 115k. I started buying again in small amounts when we broke 80 and really started buying again once we broke 70. I also have money set aside to lump sum once we break 60. I fully expect everything I buy now to double in value by 2029. So 160k+. Honestly I expect higher than that  But the kicker is in 2030-2031 I see bitcoin at like roughly 90-110k.  And in 2032-2033, will be higher than next AHT. The cycle is the cycle for a reason and enough people believe in the cycle that it’s a self fulfilling prophecy. Go look at a bitcoin chart and it reads very predictable. We’re in Feb 2022. Or Feb 2018

HSuke

Yep. What CW is saying is irrational. Deflation is expected to decrease the nominal price of BTC and stocks.

SeaMicSte

You can pick any two datapoints and it will sometimes show that BTC is extremely outperforming S&P, sometimes will extremely underperform, sometimes will exactly match, etc. the only true conclusion here is that BTC is much more volatile.

GalaxyDefender1x

BTC is only for the people that got in on the ground floor... those who have it.. want everybody else to contribute and rise the price so they can win.. i dont think any regular joe will gain from BTC now.

bonsaitreehugger

BTC was a great investment if you got in before it went mainstream. Any time interval since 2021, it underperforms the market, unless you're a really good day trader.

Vegetable-Rabbit7503

Check the numbers, go to a DCA calculator, dont trust, verify it. Thats why im asking, I consider 5 years enough time for BTC to outperform... [https://newhedge.io/bitcoin/dollar-cost-averaging-calculator](https://newhedge.io/bitcoin/dollar-cost-averaging-calculator)

ExciteSeek4Ever

So what would it be if BTC was still over $100k…it would still be a worse or maybe comparable returns at best to indexes with real tangible companies. No thanks - I’ll stick with investing in Google over “blockchain.”

duboilburner

Except we know Bitcoin has 4 year cycles, and if you time those cycles, you get far better returns. How about instead of your arbitrary 5 years, we start at where Bitcoin had obviously bottomed along with the S&P drawing down at the end of 2022. Why don't we just start at the first trading day of 2023? It had become obvious by then BTC had bottomed out, and S&P was setting its first higher low from its October 2022 bottom. S&P is up about 74% Bitcoin 313%, with a peak above 600%. Your cherry picking proves nothing other than the S&P is more boring than Bitcoin over Bitcoin's well defined 4 year cycles.

Vegetable-Rabbit7503

Or 15 years, when BTC was $1, fair comparation right? lol

docherino

5 years is long enough lol. Don't know why many people can't admit that BTC has been underwhelming since 2021

Vegetable-Rabbit7503

I think the best way is comparing DCA to DCA, and its not looking good, 5 years monthly DCA is basically the same return for BTC and SP500.

Vegetable-Rabbit7503

No, lump sum, in monthly DCA the return is basically the same in both SP500 and BTC over the alst 5 years.

Suspicious-Skill1934

That's a bit disappointing I know, we all waited for better upside on BTC, like 200k, 150k never happened. Considering those new data for me i considering more trying to have better entry and exit , but also i am in full DCA mode in the SP500 and never look at it.

teheditor

You've chosen to ask right after a BTC crash

FromThePits

Only if you make it so Bitcoin is legendarily difficult to recoup once a few years have past. Just read all the stories of countless early bitcoiners letting go of hundreds of bitcoins one way or the other, never to regain that level of wealth again. I plan to airdrop some BTC on the next 4 generations of my family - because I have seen how bitcoin slips through the fingers of diamond hands.

skidmainmu

Also Luke Groman for gold and BTC, and Simon Dixon for BTC