BTC

Dongerated

If you want to lose 20% of the value in a single day. Sure. There’s a reason why whales stick to ETH or BTC instead of these new projects.

OccasionalXerophile

BTC chart looking pretty bullish to me

epic_trader

Okay so in 20 years, when the reward is 0.097BTC, how much must BTC be worth/how expensive is a transaction in order to have the same level of security as today?

epic_trader

Okay you explain it then. Are you going to pay $100 for a BTC transaction in 20 years or how does the money to pay miners for security come in?

questioneeverythingg

I think next move is to 175k. Based on my BTC max value of 250k in 2014 which is 350k today's money. Mastercard just got in too.

Tjb82261

It doesn’t matter who owns what BTC, what matters is volume. If someone owns enough to swamp the usual amount of trades in a specific period then the price is easily manipulated.

klndry671

What is Crypto? I asked myself that watching BTC. Crypto went from something with great promise to 30k + products. 99.99 percent of it is a scam. The value is emotional. Store of value? What is the value? Does it solve anything? Does it do anything? I think there may be 4 or five products that are something. XRP could help the banking system. And a couple of others do something. The rest????

setokaiba22

Talking about ‘digital wealth’ and a BTC being the gold standard for that isn’t really a surprise given its value what else would you use?

Tjb82261

The price matters until BTC itself can be used as a medium of exchange.

Tjb82261

It can easily be done by anyone who has a large amount of BTC. Not by the everyday person.

Tjb82261

It can easily be done by anyone who has a large amount of BTC. Not by the everyday person.

Spexar

Who fucking cares about the price. Did they take your bitcoin? No. The existing financial system is slowly in meltdown which was predicted by Satoshi all the way back in 2008. BTC was never designed to be a get quick scheme, it is meant to be an alternative financial system.

blaggerbly

"easy" doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Dont reckon BTC cares when i buy my daily tenner. Are there some people with the power to move markets? yes, twas ever thus.

Realistic_Fee_00001

>for whatever reason The reason is, they built an impressive base and actually scale Bitcoin with Defi and shit. At the same time BTC is in shambles tech wise. Knotters lost, more spam on chain, LN failed, no other scaling solution in sight. People are hedging their bets.

nopy4

So, BTC is gonna draw with him only DOT and SOL? OK, got it!

pigeonwiggle

i stayed out of it this go around. 2020's climb into 2021 was profound. 2024's climb to 2025 was not. i did not expect things to be "as usual" as every "bull" has been less and less impressive - and the more "predictable" something is - the less it actually plays out as such. so i did not expect an active alt-market. i sold my btc when it was high enough to account for losses from not selling in 2022 (ouch) i ...miiight buy after the dust settles in this crash -- but we've a long way to go. i'm eyeing 60k or less. the thing with all of this is that for the past 15 years BTC has been correlated to the world around it. when the NASDAQ dips, BTC follows. it's never been a hedge against it. it's always been a sort of "stock profit overflow" asset. when S&P500 does well, people tend to take those profits and put them into BTC to ride the wave. but then when it dips, BTC drops with it. WITHOUT FAIL. so with all the talk of AI Bubbles this year, i just couldn't see myself jumping in at any point. this crash is going to ruin a lot of people. and for it to make anyone any profit, there will have to be some Serious institutional investment that i just don't see happening while everyone's so hurt from the (anticipated) crash. now, i could be wrong... but yeah, it's possible the Bitcoin Experiment was simply a phase like an open internet.

No_Toe710

Ledn, Arch, Unchained, Strike, and CB all offer BTC backed loans:

Miner_WhispererUAE1

I bought at the peak and lowered my avg to 99k. I had my DCA set to 25 dollars per week and just set up a direct deposit with strike to do 300 dollars per paycheck (biweekly). Will instantly move my funds to a cold wallet super excited and bullish about btc 5-20 year time horizon EDIT: Just learned about UTXO. I even went to the lengths of setting up direct deposits so I can withdraw BTC faster. Now after learning this I guess the best way is to accumlate more and do one single withdrawal to a cold wallet rather than many smaller ones (correct me if I’m wrong please stilll tryna learn)

Antique_Bee1776

Borrowing BTC works great until a sudden wick hits Your LTV doesn’t forgive hesitation Even a small dip can flip your whole position Satsterminal helpss you see the safe limits clearlyy

epic_trader

It's hilarious how you wrote the last part in bold as if you pointed out some gotcha, when in reality you've inadvertently highlighted Bitcoin's perhaps biggest weakness and systemic threat. Bitcoin's fixed issuance schedule is flawed. In 20 years when the block reward has dropped to 0.097BTC, how do you pay for security? Are people going to pay $100 per transaction?

longonbtc

You just wait until you have accumulated at least 0.01 BTC on the exchange before you withdraw your bitcoin. Or if you can't manage to wait until you have 0.01BTC, then at least wait until you have accumulated 0.005 BTC on the exchange before you withdraw it. You can also consolidate your UTXOs when the mempool is not congested and fees are low (like right now). For example, you build a transaction with 100 inputs (100 UTXOs) and 1 output and after this transaction is confirmed you will be left with 1 single UTXO.

shikaharu_ukutsuki

No, BTC is back by truth like other assets such gold. Not only that, but also back by confidence, energy, cross border,… etc Which none of the other assets have. BTC is indeed a new way of store valuable. It is an assets. Any trait of gold can be apply to BTC (except for physibility), but not the invert way.

DangerHighVoltage111

Sounds impressive but only 0.005% of the population can do that each day. Even just the top 1% can only make a single transaction every 200 days and BTC is completely filled up and no one else will be able to transact. And don't say LN. How do you expect to get the channel opening tx?

DryMyBottom

is BTC building higher lows?

Legitimate_Cry_5194

Amount is irrelevant when transferring BTC

RandomJoe7

Yes, I sold all crypto in Oktober, relatively near the high. I'm no professional, I might be wrong, but when I zoomed out max on the BTC chart, it just looked like the typical 4 year cycle and I didn't want to hold through another bear market like I did in 2017 and 2021. I'll hope to rebuy lower again in a year or so, but only BTC (not buying any alts anymore).

GreenStretch

"One positive catalyst is speculation that Kevin Hassett might become the next Fed Chair in 2026. He's seen as way more dovish which would be bullish for crypto long term." That's definitely the signal to put dollars into BTC and precious metals.

Patient-Process-2565

Be very careful, crypto is highly volatile and risky. S & P 500 or similar for the bulk of your investments a couple of ETF’s perhaps a single stock of a company you fully understand. A small position (5%) into BTC, (3%) ETH and 2% into altcoins but learn to take profits from your alts.

CRPTM_ONE

In theory, yes — when you inherit bitcoin, the cost basis resets. So selling after that can mean little or no tax. But the plan you described isn’t safe. If you gift BTC to a friend and they leave it right back to you, the IRS can see it as a tax trick and ignore the whole setup. You could still be taxed on the gain. And big gifts require paperwork, plus your friend truly owns the BTC until they pass. If you’re dealing with large gains, use a crypto tax tool to understand your numbers first. This “gift it and inherit it back” idea sounds simple, but it’s too risky.

BoringPrinciple2542

A lot of people are blowing smoke up your ass. A decade is a long time. Bitcoin has done well SO FAR. Bitcoin has the advantage of reputation and first mover advantage; however, it is laughably slow at processing transactions, hilariously expensive in terms of gas fees, and is incapable of much of what later tokens can do. BTC is a dinosaur and while it has a great track record it is almost 20 years behind the times. BTC is probably the safest bet in crypto at the moment if you want to dip your toes in without too much risk. That said, it’s very possible that BTC could be a bygone relic in 10 years. That’s just the way the world works. Remember IBM? Tower Records? Blockbuster? Things come and go. Almost anything (not counting memecoins) is arguably a “better” cryptocurrency but nothing has really caught the same traction yet. In terms of making money; there is no such thing as “better” just different risk/reward ratios. Historically, BTC has been a great choice but that’s because we are looking back in hindsight. It was always incredibly risky (hence the high returns) but has done well for several years. This does not guarantee future performance though. There are other cryptos that have much greater chances of magnifying your investment (percent change is the impoetant metric here) but they involve much more speculation. The best advice you can really get is to have a diversified portfolio and include Bitcoin and possibly other top tokens as part of a broader investment plan.

AggravatingMajor4565

If you already pay your balance in full every month, crypto reward cards can actually be pretty solid. The high interest rates don’t matter if you never carry a balance, so you’re basically just choosing the form of your cashback. I’ve tried a couple of BTC reward cards before - the experience is fine, but the rewards usually depend a lot on market timing and how flexible the card is with redemption. One thing I’m keeping an eye on is XSPA’s upcoming crypto card. From what’s been shared so far, it looks like they’re focusing on making rewards more practical and easier to use rather than just flashy marketing. If they deliver on that, it could be a nice alternative in the crypto card space. Overall, if you’re disciplined with credit, a crypto rewards card is definitely worth considering.

KeleneJohnson14

Only a fool would sell $BTC and I am no fool haha. I am holding on to $BENE , $GONA & $PIG as well. Majority of memes on #GalaPump are gonna do well next year.

longonbtc

You should wait until you have accumulated at least 0.01 BTC on the exchange before you withdraw your bitcoin. Or if you can't wait until you have 0.01BTC, then at least wait until you have accumulated 0.005 BTC on the exchange before you withdraw it.

giottus

**Yes , Bitcoin is one of the few cryptos that has actually** ***proven*** **itself as a long-term investment.** If your plan is “buy and forget for 10+ years,” BTC is the closest thing crypto has to digital gold. * 15 years of uptime * Biggest network + strongest security * Limited supply (21M) * Every cycle it has recovered and hit new highs Sure, short-term it’s volatile… but long-term, Bitcoin has been one of the best performing assets ever. If you want simple and safe: **Buy BTC → Hold → Ignore noise.** Everything else in crypto is basically higher risk, higher chaos.

Educational-Form9390

I researched this on multiple AI's. Had we done it, the hash rate would have increased from \~50mhz to over 1Ghz. Blocks mined in under 2 minutes, we were going to centralize BTC. With the network at lightspeed, completely centralized, lots of bugs with no time to fix, that was it. Bitcoin was dead. Satoshi would have had to gone to extremes trying to dilute us. But he couldn't have anyways as we controlled the hash rate. Bitcoin was dead if we had centralized it when it was 5 months old. Not even a hard fork was viable. Satoshi would have pulled the plug.

piggleii

If and when BTC has an unexpected big pump, literally 99% of people would be sidelined.

PM_ME_YOUR___ISSUES

We were at 84k 2 weeks ago and people had lost all hope. Now we’ve reclaimed 91k and people can’t stop with their bearish crap. You folks go in with heavy leverage and lose your shit every now and then. Should just fill your spot bags and wait this out. All this greed will eventually lead to a total liquidation of your portion, and before you know it, you won’t even have enough to fill your spot bags when BTC touches 100k.

VariatCA

BTC slowly creeping up for the last 7 hours now, making a slightly better Higher Low every hour or so. It may sound like a broken record, but the long-to-short ratio has been growing more and more short-heavy each time as it re-approaches today's 91.7k upper bound. It's at around a 45:55 ratio while the Nikkei-225 market has turned green and U.S. futures are around +0.25%. Something's going to have to give soon; either Shorts try to absolutely overload trading pressure like earlier this morning (it was 25:75 for half an hour on the way to 87.7k), or it will be a concession that could result in breaking through 91.7k and right to 93k. There's a *lot* of short-liquidity in that range that built up since Thursday.

blockstreamHQ

Simplest approach: keep long-term cold storage UTXO size to >1m sats. Receiving Bitcoin network UTXOs of less than 0.01 BTC can be considered uneconomical. If your exchange supports it, withdraw via Lightning, swap to Liquid instantly, accumulate there with minimal fees and strong privacy, then swap to mainchain Bitcoin when you hit meaningful amounts. Gets your funds off exchange fast, keeps costs low, and gives you Confidential Transactions privacy while you build your stack.

iamjide91

Yes the end of the day, we dump all our alts to buy BTC. But I think alts like AIOZ, SOL, FIL, HYPE can make you accumulate BTC even faster.

Odd-Parking-90210

BTC's inflation rate, the "mining" of new BTC, is fixed. ETH's is not fixed. It was changed to be deflationary. The point is not that it is not deflationary, even though it is now burning ETH, **the point is that the inflation/deflation rate can be changed at all.**

didnt_hodl

on balance, you might find cash app being cheaper than some other platforms 1. they charge $0 for the incoming wire transfers. some exchanges will charge you a flat fee of $10 2. they offer a completely free withdrawal to your own cold wallet (takes up to 24hrs to complete). nearly all other exchanges will always charge you a fee for that. and some will charge quite a bit you worry about spread, but for a fair comparison do a full cycle from $$ in your bank to BTC in your own wallet and then compare

Open_Masterpiece_549

BTC is going to 250k on the next run. I hope tom lee is right!

VariatCA

Just curious what the difference was, when BTC was also making new ath's and spent a while the same percentage below it as gold recently has. Was it the price of gold was "smaller", so the swings didn't feel as bad? How a 1% drop of $40 for gold didn't feel as bad as a 1% drop of $1200 for Bitcoin?

AmazingfurnitureCT

BTC is also a tech stock

Steezy_Steve1990

I fell for over believing that the 4 year cycle is intact too. Honestly, it might be that the October 10th liquidations just killed alt season. It could be more related to the liquidity cycle now too though in which case we should see another ATH for BTC in 2026. Like you said no one truly knows though.

GoldmezAddams

I view it very similarly to gold, in that right now its monetary role is as a store of value, but it has the potential to be the base money / reserve asset that underlies world currencies. In much the same way that a return to a gold standard wouldn't involve a ton of directly exchanging gold. I think as its superior monetary properties cause it to outcompete other stores of value, the open source permissionless nature of the project makes it almost inevitable that it becomes the sturdy base on which medium of exchange layers are built. We already see this happening with Lightning, ecash, Ark, etc. On top of this, I think it is becoming abundantly clear that the pure fiat experiment of the last 50 years is unsustainable and economic reality will force us to return to sound money eventually. If, between then and now, BTC can continue to cement itself as the best store of value / savings account, it could end up being the obvious choice (over gold) to fill that void and restore confidence in the money. If the world went back to a hard money standard today, I think gold's probably the only game in town. But I don't think that will be so cut and dry 10 years from now.

VariatCA

I see Gold has been down between 4-11% below ATH for nearly 7 weeks. That's almost the exact same price action you were complaining about every single day from mid-August through September, as BTC fluctuated between 108k to 117k. It "completely sucked and you couldn't wait to sell" back then for BTC, but it's nice price action for gold?

Decent_Procedure2981

With that timeline you want to avoid risky investments so that makes sense. Although I feel like in 7-9 years BTC will be higher than it is now. To each his own. I about about a decade younger so I have more time should an error occur. But most importantly of all, I believe in BTC. It's taken 4.5 years but I believe in it.

SilverKiwiz

I like his stuff. He has another channel called "Get Based" where he does BTC documentaries and how he goes to other countries and see the use case of BTC being shared and spread to help grow the community. Great stuff overall imo

Braviosa

Hey, I managed to find these guys. I didn't quite understand the offering/services initially but I'll do more looking in due course. I've been looking at why there's such a disconnect from OG Bitcoiners like and the Wall Street early adopters like Saylor, Pal, Lee & Woods and even the big investment firms like Blackrock, Goldman's and Morgan . And I'm starting to think you're both correct. I believe you that there are indicators which show the bull run is at an end (and my understanding is that it's almost programmatic in nature from the btc dev team), and what happens next is left to the whims of the public and it's usually a giant retail dump and a huge crash. But now things have changed and the dumping has stopped very quickly. We've already seen a full reversal on BTC and selling pressure has disappeared in a full reversal. The halving cycle may be finished so we're left to the macro factors of the market which are actually looking really positive for risks on assets and that's why we're not dropping any further - the asset has matured enough that it doesn't need crazy cycles gains/losses anymore. It will keep going as long as the interest rates stay low, risk on assets will remain positive because the asset holders know what they're doing rather than panicking. We may well have explosive growth outside the 4 year structure and we know the most important ingredient liquidity is coming in the form of stimulus injections into both the US and China markets. Not a single crypto commentator from a trading/investment institution has backed down from their price predictions. The current institutional and nation states holding crypto are increasing their crypto inventory and some are now doubling down that the bullrun will last to 2027 and beyond. We did see gold go nuts on a decade long bullrun when the ETF started selling in the noughties. The stock to flow model was in effect there and we may get a similar cycle with mainstream acceptance. Its the go to narrative the institutions seem to be saying.

imfuckinglying2u

Next in line: BTC

Supaflyray

We go from 450 BTC A Block this halving, to 225 BTC a block next halving. I’d say that is deflationary.

book-scorpion

"But this makes sense. BTC is basically energy. Proof of work/energy is paid for with BTC which has monetary value. So by trading BTC we are trading energy." I don't understand that. Let me make an analogy. Let's say you get 1 fictional "apple-coin" for every 100 apples you produce, and then smash them on the ground, simply destroy. And then you can use that coin to trade with others and buy things. Would that be consider trading "apples"? Those apples are gone, smashed, same as energy needed to mine those bitcoins is gone. The value of bitcoin is not in used energy, the value is in trust of security and usefulness of the whole system. It's like dollars, they used to have a real value when they were backed by gold, but not anymore, now it's value comes from trust in the system.

Aazimoxx

But... It's never been at 10x what it is now 🤔 Hodl error then? 😉 This guy is kinda nuts though, I can imagine putting ⅔ or even ¾ in BTC, but not 100%, in **any** one thing.

Supaflyray

We get less and less BTC every 4 years. Deflationary against the total supply if you ask me.

Training-Fig4889

It gains value as it grows its track record of an unstoppable, unfuckable network of computers. To me, the value of 1 BTC equivalent to the purchasing power of about $10,000,000 USD in 2025. Price is waaay lower than that so I’m buying at a discount

Decent_Procedure2981

Maybe do a percentage in IBIT. Depends on how much you believe in BTC. Just look at the past. So far it's been okay for most if you wait long enough. Or wait for a dip if one even comes. I just consider myself lucky that BTC exists. I found something I believe in that a lot of people too. Even people living in Bhutan lol.

TheGreatCryptopo

Total Volume 0.00159733 BTC $144.68 I'm gonna guess if this catches on anonymous donations could swell the amount. And will stress 'if'.

Decent_Procedure2981

A lot people put it into 1 mutual fund lol. VOO, FXAIX, etc. Someone on this forum took out a loan against their 401k to buy more BTC lol. That aside, I guess you can call me dumb but I believe in BTC. I also dont want kids and am a high income earner. I can recover if shit hits the fan.

TheGreatCryptopo

I can say with 50% certainty BTC will be 100k on Xmas day.

Decent_Procedure2981

I notice this guy wears the same outfit every video. He's also married based on the ring on his finger, hope his partner is OK with him doing all in on BTC lol. Love his energy.

Decent_Procedure2981

If we look at the past we can that investing your 401k in the top of last cycle would have doubled your money in 4 years. I am not condoning it, but it's not the worst decision of all time based on the past. The bigger questions are your age. If you're younger like 30s, you can recover if it crashes/can wait it out. That's where I am at. If you're older like 50s, probably don't recommend doing a large chunk. Maybe 10%. I think it will workout with BTC and hit the market cap of Gold in 10-15 years, maybe 20. Also if it crashes down to 50-60k, I think it's a cheap buy. But no one wants to buy it when it "crashes"

AutisticGayBear69

I think Binance is probably the biggest. I’m region restricted so don’t have an account there anymore. MEXC has a ton. I’ve never had any issues though I see people saying they’ve had their funds frozen. Maybe Hyperliquid but I’ve never used them (I’m region restricted). Aster DEX is another option and is considered a Binance spin off because of CZ endorsement. It’s a perp DEX like Hyperliquid. There’s a number of futures trading competitions happening right now where you can win and/or earn a pretty decent ASTER token airdrop. I’ve received way more in ASTER tokens than I’ve gambled, er, traded 😂. Check out their discord Announcements for details. Also a casual plug for the ASTER token. It just came out a few months ago on the BSC and could be the next BNB. CZ owns a pretty decent bag and I don’t think CZ has too many tokens or coins outside of BNB and BTC. I’m holding all my ASTER airdrops for at least a few years.

Decent_Procedure2981

I appreciate this post. I will keep a look out for these trends/data. I will come back to it if you're right to give you credit :) I also agree, no one knows for sure. 70% bearish/30% bullish is how I feel. FYI Microstrategy is now Strategy now. I think they are good up to BTC hitting 30k is what I have read. With ETFs I think there is solid support. Question: Are you confident (as confident as one can be without a crystal ball) we hit the top and are trending bearish?

Decent_Procedure2981

Idk about 30k, maybe 60k. Usually bottom is last cycles top which is 67k. Unless we hit a full blown recession+a bear market I dont see BTC going lower than that. I could consider selling and going back in later. I plan for all future investments to be in BTC. Are you sure it will go down from now? There might be a floor with ETFs. Or we might hit a true bull run beyond 120k.

CorOsb33

It can be manipulated. ETFs give institutional actors the ability to control BTCs effective supply without direct BTC ownership. You guys thought institutions were in this because they believe in the tech? They don’t care about the tech. They care about utilizing it to further their bottom line.

Quinthyll

Everything that isn't BTC is an alt. That's the definition of an alt coin. And alternative to Bitcoin.

Itur_ad_Astra

BTC closed the weekly candle like $10 in the green. The whale wars are crazy.

Murky_Citron_1799

A decreasing rate of positive inflation is NOT deflationary. Negative inflation is deflation. BTC will never be deflationary in it's current design. But if course the design could change, so we can't rely upon 21m being the eventual cap. 

-Dissonanz-

Thanks for your great thoughts. BTC will continue to exist as long as people are looking for hard money, energy is being produced, states are seeking geopolitical advantages and mining remains profitable. The FIAT system is increasingly faltering, especially recently (see the impact of QE during Covid). People are actively seeking security right now (see gold). In addition, there will be a new FED boss next year who will print a lot of money and delay the inevitable. As far as I know, Bitcoin is now permitted by Russia. Not forgetting Argentina and Turkey. China is reeling. In the USA, JP Morgan is taking it up as colleteral, Vanguard is now part of the ETFs with Böackrock, even though it was vehemently spoken out negatively for years. GeniusACT is signed, even if you can overturn it and criticize it further. If the Democrats take the lead, CBDCs must not be lost sight of (could become problematic). The realignment of the SEC is also beneficial. The natural selection of unprofitable miners is normal, where countries are forced to offer energy cheaper so that it is not outsourced. This means that the competition between China and the USA regarding AI remains intact. Of course, halvings, large companies that can afford them also play a role.

Get_the_nak

The Nakamoto (inofficial name of the fifth decimal of BTC) is now worth $0.9

Decent_Procedure2981

I definetely care. It's because I am not sure we are done with the current bull cycle. I think it can go back to 120-160k. We didn't get a real bull top this year. I think there could be one. Tom Lee thinks so but hes a perma bull and has been wrong before (he said BTC will go down to 60k in mid 2025 but it did not, just 80k and I missed the boat thanks to him). I just feel the cycle top didn't hit yet. I also am not sure if the 4 year cycle is still there. Michael Saylor doesn't think there are cycles anymore. He said that bc the BTC reward is so low we might not see the wild swings we used to. With ETFs/large corporations in BTC, there might be a floor now of like 80k. Or even 90k.

Impressive_Pilot8415

No. Both have unlimited supply ♾️ stick with scarce fixed asset 21M BTC

DrEtatstician

What’s killing BTC is the leverage play , extreme like 2x, 10x !! Crazy

2peg2city

True, doesn't change the inflation rate of BTC being higher for the last 3 years

Haunting_Tax_5991

USDT is easier; BTC could gain value.

soks86

Manipulation? I mean, either you have a free market or you don't. No one can "manipulate" BTC aside from buying and selling and you cannot have a free market otherwise. You should see this as gamblers losing money, but hopefully some of those liquidations are properly hedged...

SevereArrivals13

BTC is up by 1% today, and the daily is making it seem like we dropped heavily, no idea how overleveraged you guys are tbh..

sker13559

What a strawman. I was specifically talking to the people who are actively FUDing MSTR. The ponzi and pyramid scheme references. And specifically why would you buy? Answer, because every share holder accumulates more of the underlying asset. My initial buy of MSTR was at less than $20. I cashed out the majority over $400. There will be more cycles. This just sounds like the same old BTC FUD we have been hearing forever. You went on a wild tangent there. BTC, FBTC, and MSTR combined is less than 20% of net worth including real estate. You made a lot of assumptions. Look beyond what exactly? Whats are your allocations? Teach me something.

geppelle

that's not how it works. You could say there never gonna be more than 10^999 ETH to give you an upper bound like BTC and have the same reasoning.

VariatCA

Where did I say I was buying "the pump" each day? The BTC and ETH I bought back on November 20th is currently up 12-15%, and I don't have any purchases since then. I don't have another unless my ladder-buy order triggers at 77.6k.

Phylaras

Yea, and 2k BTC is nothing. The market has absorbed some $50b in selling pressure from whales recently.

2peg2city

Imagine calling someone stupid and then saying something so clearly incorrect. There are not 21M BTC, that is the eventual max supply

Scionic94

Idk who Jason is, but I think he’s onto something. I have a feeling power companies will be one of the earlier industries to adopt BTC payments.

shimanospd

Yeah, I do wonder why, why every time someone points out that gold, real estate, foreign stocks, or literally any other inflation hedge exists, the MSTR maxi cult screams “FUD!!!” like you just mentioning other assets is a personal attack. It's not. I own bitcoin myself. Bitcoin is 16 years old. Gold has been a store of value for 5,000 years. Real estate has worked forever. Swiss francs, Japanese stocks, commodity funds all of them have protected wealth from dying fiat currencies without a single sat involved. Asking “why not just buy the BTC directly or an ETF instead of this convertible-debt circus?” isn’t “believing the strength of fiat” or cheerleading fiat, it’s literally the most basic due diligence question ever. Pretending that question = blindness is peak cult energy. Look beyond, or don't. Whatever. I'll keep taking a multi prong approach to protecting myself from fiat debasement. Thank you.

jokerswild97

Still didn't answer though... If the dollar is worthless, what currency will the people use? You're not thinking long term adoption and stabilization (or standardization). As long as the governments keep printing money, the value of the dollar goes down. Only assets with limits can retail their value (property, gold, etc). Why do you assume BTC is worth less than a piece of paper? It's acceptance for trade. If the paper becomes worthless, the people will have to adopt something else. Every day, more and more businesses, governments, and institutions put more and more money into BTC, supporting it as something valuable.

DangerHighVoltage111

💪🟢 The only coin been called dead more often than BTC 😎.

Dangerous_Walk9239

Exchanges have gone bankrupt cause BTC dipped in the past? 😭

SeriousGains

Satoshi tests with 1,000 BTC

Letsmovethemarket

Buy ETH and BTC. All others are just poker chips on the roulette table!

Spartarc

Will just say na. Once again the assumption is why do they even accept BTC? To exchange it for currency. A currency that can't be used is not a currency. Remember Zimbabwe? P.S, mining in 100 years is done.

Wheaties4brkfst

Right yeah but this is just exactly why they’ve been doing. The original guy was saying they were going to do some banking w the BTC.

partymsl

A 71 year old woman being scammed through a BTC ATM... wrong on so many levels.

MinimalGravitas

> There’s no new coins entering only becoming available from the set amount That just isn't correct. The coins issued to miners as block rewards don't exist somewhere until given out, they are literally newly minted coins. Another way to say it would be that there are not currently 21 million BTC, there are only 19,958,971 at the moment.

NeoDynomite

Let me rephrase my original reply: Saylor has literally stated multiple times that MicroStrategy structures its BTC-backed loans so they can withstand a 50–90% drawdown without liquidation. That’s what I meant — liquidation protection, not volatility immunity. Overcollateralization doesn’t stop mark-to-market losses; it just prevents forced selling. The strategy relies on long-term appreciation, not banking-style ROA.

sker13559

I assume that people will figure it out. Do you know the answer to "why someone would buy MSTR instead of raw BTC or an ETF? There are entire threads repeating a negative narratives on every platform simultaneously. Do you wonder why? Every share holder that has held for any reasonable amount of time owns more BTC or Satoshis per share today. More BTC for the initial investment. That is called leverage. So yes people who dont understand need to stop spreading FUD they heard, and instead do some research for themselves. There is room to own all three. BTC, ETF, and MSTR. All for different reasons.

NeoDynomite

You’re mixing up MicroStrategy with an actual bank and applying banking metrics to a strategy that isn’t a banking strategy. MSTR isn’t trying to earn a 1% ROA on lent-out capital. They’re not doing fractional reserves or lending deposits. They’re executing a leveraged treasury strategy — borrowing cheap dollars to accumulate the hardest asset they believe will outperform every liability on their balance sheet over a multi-decade horizon. Overcollateralization isn’t about maximizing yield like a bank. It’s about minimizing liquidation risk while holding a long-duration asset. And your “10% drop erases 10 years of earnings” assumes Bitcoin has zero appreciation over that same decade, which completely removes the entire thesis from the equation. If BTC didn’t appreciate long-term, the strategy wouldn’t exist in the first place. MicroStrategy’s return doesn’t come from traditional banking spreads. It comes from Bitcoin compounding faster than their debt costs. Treating it like a commercial bank model leads you to conclusions that don’t actually apply to what they’re doing.

Hazel-cyperpunk

Why crypto? BTC is King

Kind_Soup_9753

Uh BTC hit all time high less than 2 months ago. I thought we were doing amazing. You must be new. Stick around and the red will be gone.