BTC

DryMyBottom

selling BTC means buying fiat, and that's scarier

Empty-Entertnair-42

Only Ai and privacy crypto will survive. BTC is sucked

SameWeekend13

Also I don’t really think Japan would have this much BTC stacked up. It’s mostly a cascading effect

tomsmac

I think you’re right but it seems that the recent printing hasn’t affected BTC in the least.

VariatCA

I'm not going to scour twitter for confirmation-bias that aligns with your claims. The "information" in your first post is more just a lazy theory that "Fund managers and boomers are just ignorant, they know nothing about blockchain tech and only invest in BTC because it's simple, and news tells them ETH is outdated so they believe it." One of the first things Blackrock was doing prior to filing for Spot-ETF approval was creating an in-company research team solely dedicated to properly understanding Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. I guarantee you all of these fund managers / whale investors / treasury companies understand the tech *very well.*

divexpat

I use margin loans to buy BTC.

A_friendly_goosey

Care to explain why not? BTC has dropped to 84k since. Am I missing something?

Happy_Discussion_536

BTC will never die.

zowhix

BTC itself dipping does not automatically result in the premium collapsing, it is more convoluted than that. In fact, BTC dipping while MSTR maintaining would enhance the NAV premium, but evidently fundamentally business-wise there would be issues since the underlying asset would seem worse.

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tldr; Bitcoin (BTC) dropped to new local lows, reaching $83,814 on Bitstamp, with daily losses exceeding 7%. The decline was attributed to bearish developments in Asia, including Japan's interest rate hike and weak market liquidity. Analysts suggest this week is pivotal for Bitcoin's 2025 performance, with the market's ability to defend prior lows being critical. Despite bearish sentiment, some traders view the current price levels as an opportunity to buy. The article emphasizes the importance of conducting personal research before making investment decisions. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

TurkishBitcoiner

They said they would only need to sell maybe 0.1% of their BTC stack to cover dividends, IF THEY HAVE TO. They already have over 1.44 billion usd - 21 months of dividend payment in CASH and READY. They are not selling, they are only selling if the whole world economy collapses and btc and everything crashes 85% from now.

minigodd

Crypto is dying, BTC is not dying.

Scared_Jeweler7766

I agree with you. Some say that for the scarcity argument to be pure only BTC should remain in the future (with perhaps just a few more cryptos that survived but more marginally)

Wmacky

I have only one Crypto investment. in early 2022 I had a acquaintance that kept posting about making money and over fist on BTC, and other crypto. I said I would invest a small chunk, and he said go Cardano! I bopught at $1,20 F that acquaintance, F cardano, and F crypto. It's all a bunch of slimy dogshit. All of it. Stocks only for me. I just check once a month on the additional thousands I have made. Mean while Cardano just keeps sucking cock like it's suck ass CEO. I hope his helicopter crashes

_JamesDooley

Yeah sure but i'm just saying this specifically for BTC being hyper volatile. Buying as it dips 5 to 6x in value can be brutal for your Pnl even when looking from a long term perspective

Hazys

well I mean, be it BTC , Stocks, Forex. The money you going to invest must be your own money at least. Never borrow to invest.

Neither-Payment-4147

Think of it like this, Japan wants people to borrow Yen so they say you can borrow it at 0% interest, now with that borrowed yen you can convert to dollars and purchase assets like BTC, any profit made is like free money in a sense, because you don’t have to pay any interest. This is finely balanced though because there is an exchange rate between yen and usd which you have to factor in, and also if Japan say ok we are raising rates, now it’s no longer free borrowing and if you don’t exit at the right time then you could lose money, it’s more complex than this, but basically it’s a pool of money to borrow from so there’s many borrowers, and it’s no longer free to borrow so it’s exit time and assets get sold off.

OldHamburger7923

Everyone sees the pattern. Which is also why the selloff shouldn't be as deep this time around. No one is thinking BTC goes to $0 anymore. Wait for a 80% dip before you buy and you'll miss out on acquiring anything

Vivid_Ad_7348

I know that is my final plan, my exit strategy is to convert everything to btc🤣but my logic which apparently is wrong was—>btc will lose its dominance and drop in price, while my altcoins will rise; when I am happy w/ROI I get on my coins (and thats like 2/3x not being to greedy, cuz that x 7 coins was profit I was looking for) I would convert them to BTC. Since my coins are in negative ROI, my plan has not been completed well😂

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Striker3737

The price of BTC is controlled. BTC itself is not controlled. That is the point.

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VariatCA

BTC's decentralized aspect is also a major reason for its adoption and resurgences throughout the years. No matter how promising an altcoin may appear on paper, it's a gigantic hurdle to convince investors to bet big on a Crypto*currency* that is under centralized vote, control, tokenomics and ownership.

Interesting_Day_7734

Ok. Yes I misread that. Good for you then. Personally I own a small amount of crypto. I believe most crypto will collapse completely, but a few will stay, it's a digital world. Crypto is a natural fit. I also have less confidence in BTC, but since the world is deeply into it, there's tradable value there. Like script in olden times. It's a giant place holder. Until another crypto currency replaces it, it is currently the most valuable. Digital may move things around very quickly, but the current perception will change slowly. But it'll take some amount of time. Why do I see more value than $5k? Because just the mindset makes it more valuable than that. Perspective of BTC. Longevity also. Does gold demand it's current price because of its use value, or something else? Copper is widely used, but it's not a precious metal, it's a extremely useful and used metal. It just turns your finger greenish if you wear it very long.

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Hollowsong

In NY your only options are Robinhood and Coinbase but require several layers of signup (passport, video verification, etc.) so they can track and tax you for everything you do. Those sites have ripped off customers and blocked buy/sell when BTC was volitile in the past. Can't install Kraken or any other means for coins, since it doesn't conform to NY's strict rules.

Dependent_Knee1802

It's currently a bear market, 30% BTC drop was the indicator... We'll be going sideways for the next year, won't be dropping under 80k. This is based on my own research buts it where a lot of long term holders are.

VariatCA

People also really don't seem to appreciate just how *many* different password combinations a BTC wallet has in a 12-word 24-wordbank password. ~10^81 combinations. That's about as many variations as there are estimated atoms in the *visible universe*. The utter mathematical disrespect of such a gargantuan number to just assume "yeah a quantum computer will crack that, no problem."

BeachedinToronto

I think this is wise. Bitcoin is not far off from the "high" I purchased it at in 2021. I was feeling good at $126,000 but now Bitcoin is cratering towards 80k and maybe lower. So in almost 5 years gains could be close to zero so the HODL model will have worked for a some in the last 5 years but for most probably not. I was excited when the ETF's entered the game, I have learned the difference between BTC and "crypto" but at the same time I am not going to underestimate the sleazy bankers and their ability to keep the fiat extend and pretend parasitic interest on debt cycle going. Enter "stable coins" Howard Lutnick and all those parasites. I can totally see the "Trump" admin being BTC friendly only to push the stablecoins through. They don't care about Bitcoin. They want stablecoins which is basically going to be their giant, offshore "reserve bank" internationally. So I'm not selling but I have serious doubts and I'm not betting it all on BTC that is for sure. Just ask yourself, why are so many Whales selling? And this study Bitcoin shit....what are you really learning between 10 hours and 100 hours. Why can't anyone explain or validate the Bitcoin origin story for example? Its been around for 10 years...what if this is it? This is just it as a niche investment? What if the "growth" of the last 14 years has been due mostly to money laundering out of Ukraine "aid" and excess capital from the Yen carry trade? It could happen if enough people get shaken out of the etf's and out of holding bitcoin personally. I know people have their convictions and 1000's of charts showing cycles and powerlaws and all that but who knows....in just a few months bitcoins 5 years growth could be just 20%

No_Implement_5807

If they are hoarding BTC... How are the rest of us going use it as a cash alternative? Can't wait for the day this Ponzi unravels. They can't sell BTC or it will lead to a major collapse

DontLook_Weirdo

I sell my $ to buy more BTC, Dwayne and I are not the same.

Zozorrr

lol fundamentals. Taking us back to the days in this sub when people were talking about the fundamentals of this “project” or that “project”. I remember getting downvoted to oblivion saying the very word project shows you it’s bunk and that by the time this all shakes out there’ll be BTC (equivalent of gold) and likely 1 or 2 cryptos max used as actual currencies.

AppearanceCapital872

It’s Black Friday offers for BTC 😂

_JamesDooley

Aren't you just handing free money here if BTC keeps dropping down indifinitely with no guarantee of it going back up again for a long time?

Tip-Actual

They can only fix what's fixable. Satoshi's Bitcoin wallet holding 1m BTC may not get migrated and could be target for the attack. Unless the hard fork renders older wallets useless and valueless.

OriginalStringw

Obviously. But that has nothing to do with the Japan yield prices or this thread in general. It's literally the same as asking, what if Saylor sold all his BTC. China selling would affect the price temporarily because of a supply shock, of course.

JayPolar91

I mean solo mining is kind of like hitting the lottery for BTC you did not own before.

Volgrand

Liteeally this year BTC reache ATH.... AND YOU THINK THIS WAS A BEAR MARKET YEAR!? Damn. I'm not economist, but i think you lost your opportunity to take profit...

Wooden-Passenger1305

Sell the bag now for double the price and buy BTC instantly, you just make double the amount BTC you sold 😀 Congrats 🎉

AnotherAxis

Here’s my ***definitely not ai generated response*** to a ***definitely not ai generated post***: Bitcoin’s long-term resilience is real, but it’s also important to keep perspective. Short-term price swings aren’t a crisis, yet they’re not meaningless either—they’re simply part of how a volatile, emerging asset behaves. Historically, BTC has recovered from deep drawdowns, but past performance doesn’t guarantee the same trajectory every time. The key is understanding your own risk tolerance. Volatility isn’t a flaw; it’s the cost of entry for an asset with high upside potential. But it’s reasonable—not weak—to acknowledge that big moves can feel uncomfortable. Staying informed, managing position size responsibly, and avoiding emotional decision-making will get you farther than pretending corrections don’t matter. Long-term conviction is great. Blind certainty isn’t necessary.

maxintos

Why? Are you suggesting that if China decided to for any reason to mess with the BTC price it does not matter how much BTC they have?

VonnyVonDoom

No he’s not. The moment idiots realize that… well it doesn’t matter. People keep buying into this fantasy that Saylor is some BTC maxi but the more supply he holds the less is available to you. This is PVP.

IM-PT24

I'm buying $500 more for each $2.000 drop in price. That way I'm sure I will have more to keep buying if price keeps dropping. Next buying will be at $82.000 per BTC

DOG-ZILLA

I would say it's wildly unstable due to it *not* being used as a currency (currently). Ask yourself, it's unstable to what? The dollar? If we're both transacting with one another in BTC, what difference does that make to us? It's meant to be peer to peer and bankless. Outside of the current system and safe from inflation.

_TheWolfOfWalmart_

Quantum computing getting to the point of cracking BTC encryption is a meme. At least for the next couple of decades.

Radiant_Record_1726

In my opinion, I’d start buying now! Theres never really a bad time to buy BTC, and if you keep waiting for it to drop to 50k, you may never buy. If you take advantage of these dips, and hold them, I believe you’d be better off than waiting for it to drop all the way down to 50k.  Just my thoughts!

Premium_Hunter

Now hold on folks... religious people are willing to throw big money every weekend at their creator. If we push the narrative that BTC is the currency of God we could be tapping into billions of dollars of boomer money that would otherwise be sitting in CDs.

cryptoshaman420

If BTC is at a low price today, I can lock in on that price while pay for it over time. Why do you think that’s a terrible idea btw?

EmberPaintArt

Perfect way to describe it. There have been countless times through the years when it was entirely sensible to sell. And some of those times were in the sub-$1k days. I sold 1 BTC at $10k, that seemed like a monster investment win at the time, and it was. It would make zero sense to hold forever and never do anything with it. If anyone had a big stash from the early days they still would have sold some of it over the years, because why wouldn't you? The money isn't good for anything if you don't spend some of it. The only people who hit those massive numbers would probably be people who had a wallet they forgot about AND were able to recover it all these years later. You literally had to forget about the wallet and consider it lost for a decade, because otherwise the natural thing to do would have been to cash some (or all) of it out years ago.

Important-Minimum777

Never been hacked. Don't know what you mean by trafficked. 52% of the energy used by BTC comes from renewable energy Rich people will always be rich and hold most of anything of value, nothing will change that.

AnusMistakus

quantum computing will render old tokens like BTC useless ... I don't understand the concept of buy and hold

Premium_Hunter

It shouldn't be. Any risk quantum is to BTC is also a risk to banking and global financial systems.

Dmarine999

I agree. That point is lost on many individuals. You'll see many here just regurgitate blurbs they've picked up from podcasts and BTC preachers - "Sound Money, etc...". While I do believe the core merits of BTC warrant investment, it is always good to diversify. BTC has its risks, just like any other asset class.

brainfreeze3

what logic is there to BTC being worth more then 5k per coin

Full-Atmosphere-4818

The pattern showed 40 days ago that BTC was gonna finish the year at $160k. How is that turning out?

Legrosbelge

It all depends on what you mean by rich. BTC should normally perform much better than the S&P 500, which is already not bad. Personally, I wait until people are panicking terribly to buy at the bottom.

devCheckingIn

And next you will learn an important lesson about BTC.

JohnnyOvrsleppt

My plan is to never sell because one day I won’t need to. As soon as Amazon or Walmart start accepting it as payment, others will follow. BTC price will go over the moon. I’ll just use it as currency.

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StepWright28

Why would I do that when I can just continue DCAing into BTC at lower prices?

pcm2a

You're getting cyber Monday deals on BTC right now. Christmas came early.

Gangaman666

The only other thing I'd consider is Gold. Apart from that BTC is the only one worth my time and money. Stay away from the stock market, and fiat it's all garbage.

Suspicious-Holiday42

I shouldn't have sold my MSCI world to put it into BTC yesterday

Colekaine

You're 100% correct that "don't put your eggs in one basket" applies to ALL investments including BTC and people should take on less risk with their investments as they age. But this is the BTC maxi sub. A lot of people in here don't like that and don't want to hear it because some of them are betting their lives on fiat collapsing in their lifetimes. They fantasize about sitting in their lofty towers made of sats looking down on all the desperate people still clinging to their paper money that is now disintegrating in their hands. Even though cash is very likely going to be king for longer than they will be alive they don't want to hear it. BTC can give you a great life if you get enough of it to turn back into cash to buy a house, fancy car and afford medical expenses. But it's just another tool to gain wealth and shouldn't be treated as some kind of end all answer and saviour to everything. Thank you for trying though, some may listen and think harder about diversification.

anchorboi

MSTR doesn’t have a magic pile of cash. They buy BTC by selling stock/debt when the market is dumb enough to pay 2–3× premium for their Bitcoin stash. When BTC dips, the premium collapses - they literally CAN’T raise big money without screwing shareholders. So yeah, they buy the most at the top and pause at the bottom. That’s the cost of running the most leveraged Bitcoin accumulator on Earth.

anchorboi

MSTR doesn’t have a magic pile of cash. They buy BTC by selling stock/debt when the market is dumb enough to pay 2–3× premium for their Bitcoin stash. When BTC dips, the premium collapses - they literally CAN’T raise big money without screwing shareholders. So yeah, they buy the most at the top and pause at the bottom. That’s the cost of running the most leveraged Bitcoin accumulator on Earth.

KIG45

Only and only BTC and no crappy altcoins!

YeeForever

This kinda posts coming out every time BTC drops. lol!

Gullible-Goat-5797

Agree but no one here is going to want to here it lol. I have stocks, real estate, metals and bitcoin. All will inflate if the US dollar devalues, not just BTC

StickyTheCat

If China decided to liquidate their BTC what would happen to the price then lol

biba8163

> BTC reached a $1 Trillion marketcap so can we People taking $1 Trillion market caps and the amount of money it takes to get there too lightly. Tens of thousands of Alts combined have not been able to hold above $1 Trillion markectap but people believe ETH or XRP by themselves could reach ridiculous price levels to get there. | | Price. | Marketcap | |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:| | BTC | $53,800| $1 Trillion (Feb. 2021) | ETH | $8,200| $1 Trillion | XRP | $16.50| $1 Trillion | 10,000+ Alts | - |$0.88 Trillion (Today)

Ashamed_Ad_8365

Don't see anything bullish in BTC personally, price action has been shit for years now. I completely stopped buying in the last year after dca ing for years, and I'm happy with my choice.

RANEDJ

Bear Market In A Bull Market $BTC $GBTC Classic Bitcoin #21MClub

TopPromise9775

LMAO spot on They’re basically Reddit in AI form: 100 % confident, 0 % right 80 % sure we’re going 78–82k while we’re dumping through 84k like clockwork Manifesting that 13.37 BTC stack for both of us brother Tomorrow another model will drop a 99 % moon call and we’ll all eat it again. Same circus, different clown makeup

longtestgame

Lol why would you go long on BTC right now.

Notrustjustverify

Everyone said the same for every fiat money in history and the outcomes were the same.  BTC is the hardest money know to humanity it won’t die.

Leather-Cash6400

This allows you to buy BTC at a lower price.

AppointmentDry9660

I know I bought more. Considering these ai waere trained on reddit, it knows to pretend to know what it doesn't know and sound confident about it for up votes Now I have 13.37 BTC /s (I wish I did)

biba8163

The market is maturing and consolidating. The total crypto marketcap is no longer even growing or attracting new investors. Most shitcoins are slowly melting away. - Stablecoins now account for almost 11% of marketcap compared to less than 4% in 2021 and 0.16% in 2017. - Exclude stablecoins and **BTC dominance has not fallen below 60% during the last two years. This means the Age of Shitcoins and Altseasons is over.** - BTC Dominance now sits above 66%, the highest it's been at for over a year. - BTC Dominance over the Top 4 Alts is also rising again - Top 4 Alts Dominance over Alt Marketcap is the highest since...forever (maybe was higher in early 2017) The ONLY question an astute investor should be asking themsevles is, *"Is the risk/reward of BTC still worth it or should I leave crypto entirely?"* | | Dec. 2017 | Nov. 2021 | Dec. 2025 |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:|:------------:| | BTC | $0.32T | $1.23T | $1.719T | Top 4 Alts | $0.163T | $0.8123T | $0.643T | Total Alt | $0.282T | $1.52T | $0.881T | Stablecoin | $0.001T | $0.11T | $0.32T | Total Crypto| $0.603T | $2.86T | $2.92T | **Top 4 Alt Dom. over Alts**| **57.80%** | **53.44%** | **72.99%** | **BTC Dom. Over Top 4** | **66.25%** | **60.23%** | **72.78%** | **BTC Dominance** | **53.16%** | **44.73%** | **66.12%** **Any dominance indicated is measured excluding stablecoins*

gowithflow192

You're right. Only BTC and eth worth holding.

ThirdHuman

The answer is to take out a loan. Over the long run, Check out this article: Three years ago, one Reddit user made a high-risk decision: they borrowed $150,000 using a mix of personal loans and 0% APR credit card balance transfers to buy Bitcoin. As of June 4, they say that investment is paying off in a big way. # From Bear Market Bet To Big Gains The investor says they now own 4.75 Bitcoin, purchased at an average price of $35,000. With Bitcoin trading at around $105,000 at the time of the [update](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1l3e9g6/3_year_update_i_took_out_150000_in_personal_loans/), their holdings are worth roughly $498,750. After accounting for the $15,000 in interest paid and the original $150,000 in loans, they're sitting on an unrealized gain of over $330,000. “I have no plans to sell any of it. Just buy and hold. Retire early,” they wrote. The remaining debt, now at about $40,000, comes from credit card balance transfers that carry 0% interest for the next six to 12 months. They admitted to recently taking out another $25,000 balance transfer to buy an additional 0.25 BTC when the price crossed $100,000, despite previously promising not to borrow more. “I was down to just $20,000 remaining balance, but I simply couldn't resist.” # The Strategy: Reverse DCA And Borrowing Responsibly When asked why they didn't just use earned income to slowly invest, the investor explained, “If I only did that, then I would not have been able to buy nearly as much Bitcoin as I did at the lowest prices.” They describe their approach as a “reverse dollar-cost averaging.” Instead of buying a little over time, they borrowed a lump sum when BTC was trading between $16,000 and $35,000, then repaid it in monthly installments. To critics who say borrowing to invest is reckless, they responded, “Taking out loans to buy assets is fine, so long as you can afford to responsibly service the debt. Just [don't take out loans](https://www.benzinga.com/personal-finance/24/12/42691699/i-dont-borrow-money-says-dave-ramsey-even-if-the-offer-is-1-billion-at-0-interest-for-the-next-decade?utm_campaign=partner_feed&utm_source=yahooFinance&utm_medium=partner_feed&utm_content=real_estate&nid=45937733) to buy liabilities.” They argue that inflationary U.S. fiscal policy will continue to [devalue the dollar](https://www.benzinga.com/general/market-summary/25/05/45512063/ray-dalio-warns-against-decreasing-value-of-us-dollar-amid-mounting-government-debt-risks-are-greater-than-the-rating-agencies-are-conveying?utm_campaign=partner_feed&utm_source=yahooFinance&utm_medium=partner_feed&utm_content=real_estate&nid=45937733). Their thesis: borrow in USD and buy an appreciating asset like Bitcoin. “The strategy is basically a speculative attack on the U.S. dollar,” they said.

DryMyBottom

is that true? is BTC dead again?

blaziken8x

If people were selling BTC when sentiment was great, fear and greed index was at 80+, they could have been buying it back at 25-30% discount right now that sentiment is awful, fear and greed index is under 20.

Ikki_The_Phoenix

Yeah. I fell for the dead cat bounce. But it doesn't matter. I will hold BTC for 10 years or more.

mintyfresh21

BTC doesn't need government or banking support to survive

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tldr; Bitcoin experienced a significant selloff on Sunday night, erasing last week's gains and leading to over $650M in liquidations. Despite earlier signs of recovery driven by whale accumulation and ETF inflows, BTC fell from $92,000 to $85,700, with crypto majors down 6-8%. This reversal raises concerns about market conditions, with predictions of further dips to $70k or lower. The coming week is critical for determining whether whales and ETFs can stabilize prices or if further declines are imminent. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

Ikki_The_Phoenix

Bear market is in. I'd personally liquidate all of them and rotate some into BTC and buy some stable coins. Then, I'd just wait on the side line.observe the market like a hawk, then I'd watch the next narrative unfold. Because the market rewards narratives and not good tech or whatever.

Dependent_Knee1802

No liquidations on leveraged longs. It's a cascading effect, some weak hands sold enough to trigger the ridiculously over leveraged longs. As long as there is greed dips like these are normal. Just bag up more discount, BTC will go back up.

BacchusAndHamsa

Not even a week, this aged well.  Like road kill in July. JP Morgan's analysts not two weeks ago were insisting BTC had natural support at $91K because of cost of mining.  My sides.

Backrus

And BTC isn't? Free BTC has ended on November 19, 2024 with introduction of IBIT options - no 15% month since then during the greatest bull market in human history. If BTC was that great, OGs would be selling billions now significantly lower than 100k. They're running away because they know there's no such thing as free BTC anymore. On an absolute and risk-adjusted basis, BTC has been the worst performing asset since that day, when it died as investable asset.

tkuid

> should I leave crypto entirely? Yes. Without a thriving ecosystem with 100s of other coins accomplishing interesting real-world utilities (which never materialized), there is very little real meaning to BTC which is captured by large financial institutions already. It is just a correlated market and in slave mode to US politics and finance.

Backrus

One could argue that yes, BTC is still expensive considering we're 3 weeks into bear market, but things like metals or even stocks are relatively cheap. There's max risk on everywhere (eh IBB or silver) expect in crypto which got hijacked and grifted into oblivion. Free BTC isn't coming back.

TurkishBitcoiner

I assume you don't read the news often, not in a rude way. The reason for the drop is the japanese government is thinking abt increasing the interest rate form 0.5% to 0.75% which is a level that has not been since 2008. Japan always had negative or 0 interest rate therefore people borrowed money from them or invested in the markets and assets such as BTC. Since interest rate is increasing in a country where 0 is the norm, people are trying to escape to safer assets such as literally just putting money in a bank to earn interest or investing it in less risky assets.

noviwu97

Someone will come and do mental gymnastic saying BTC.D should include stablecoin and it's currently on downtrend, therefore alt season soon.

Vivid_Ad_7348

I think I stated this whole post confusingly, hope you guys get my point. Of course my portfolio is not on 0, I only do not have any more fiat money there, and seing prices of my coins go lower day by day really makes me sad. I am not in crypto to get rich overnight, and I believe that prices will sooner or later go up but as you can see I do not hold any BTC so now I am at the point where I do not know if I Should: convert all my coins to btc / wait for my coins to recover its price / sell coins into fiat and wait for prices to go lower and split something into btc something into alts to prepare my self for future? Hope it makes any more sense now. Thanks guys

Project_Demosthenes_

Yea totally dude. Let’s keep “building real projects” with “real solutions” to the problems that nobody gives a shit about because we’ve seen so much demand! “Shit like this” Lol you don’t even know what this is. Calls it a scam and moves on, just like people did with BTC for so long. Greed and corruption is the problem. But let’s just have trad-fi keep buying BTC and dominate the entire crypto space while we all PvP and submit to our overlord billionaires and just keep pretending like things in the world are going great. Get real. Some of us are still fighting for this space unlike “BTC maxis” of today who can’t wait to take BlackRocks load in their mouth. https://preview.redd.it/0vsycwa2zl4g1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b69500cf39ac7c6ceac72a47126c3fdd600246b

biba8163

The market is maturing and consolidating. The total crypto marketcap is no longer even growing or attracting new investors. Most shitcoins are slowly melting away. - Stablecoins now account for almost 11% of marketcap compared to less than 4% in 2021 and 0.16% in 2017. - Exclude stablecoins and **BTC dominance has not fallen below 60% during the last two years. This means the Age of Shitcoins and Altseasons is over.** - BTC Dominance now sits above 66%, the highest it's been at for over a year. - BTC Dominance over the Top 4 Alts is also rising again - Top 4 Alts Dominance over Alt Marketcap is the highest since...forever (maybe was higher in early 2017) The ONLY question an astute investor should be asking themsevles is, *"Is the risk/reward of BTC still worth it or should I leave crypto entirely?"* | | Dec. 2017 | Nov. 2021 | Dec. 2025 |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:|:------------:| | BTC | $0.32T | $1.23T | $1.719T | Top 4 Alts | $0.163T | $0.8123T | $0.643T | Total Alt | $0.282T | $1.52T | $0.881T | Stablecoin | $0.001T | $0.11T | $0.32T | Total Crypto| $0.603T | $2.86T | $2.92T | **Top 4 Alt Dom. over Alts**| **57.80%** | **53.44%** | **72.99%** | **BTC Dom. Over Top 4** | **66.25%** | **60.23%** | **72.78%** | **BTC Dominance** | **53.16%** | **44.73%** | **66.12%** **Any dominance indicated is measured excluding stablecoins*

biba8163

The market is maturing and consolidating. The total crypto marketcap is no longer even growing or attracting new investors. Most shitcoins are slowly melting away. - Stablecoins now account for almost 11% of marketcap compared to less than 4% in 2021 and 0.16% in 2017. - Exclude stablecoins and **BTC dominance has not fallen below 60% during the last two years. This means the Age of Shitcoins and Altseasons is over.** - BTC Dominance now sits above 66%, the highest it's been at for over a year. - BTC Dominance over the Top 4 Alts is also rising again - Top 4 Alts Dominance over Alt Marketcap is the highest since...forever (maybe was higher in early 2017) *The ONLY question an astute investor should be asking themsevles is, "Is the risk/reward of BTC still worth it or should I leave crypto entirely?"* | | Dec. 2017 | Nov. 2021 | Dec. 2025 |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:|:------------:| | BTC | $0.32T | $1.23T | $1.719T | Top 4 Alts | $0.163T | $0.8123T | $0.643T | Total Alt | $0.282T | $1.52T | $0.881T | Stablecoin | $0.001T | $0.11T | $0.32T | Total Crypto| $0.603T | $2.86T | $2.92T | **Top 4 Alt Dom. over Alts**| **57.80%** | **53.44%** | **72.99%** | **BTC Dom. Over Top 4** | **66.25%** | **60.23%** | **72.78%** | **BTC Dominance** | **53.16%** | **44.73%** | **66.12%** **Any dominance indicated is measured excluding stablecoins*

Project_Demosthenes_

Yea totally dude. Let’s keep “building real projects” with “real solutions” to the problems that nobody gives a shit about because we’ve seen so much demand! Greed and corruption is the problem. But let’s just have trad-fi keep buying BTC and submit to our overlord billionaires and just keep pretending like things in the world are going great. Get real.

blubpotato

The fact that the government must tax in fiat proves the existence of an exchange value for BTC to currency. Because of this, taxation is directly tied to your hypothetical BTC currency. It must always be valued at a fiat amount.