BTC

bitcornmaxi21

My buddy had BTC on voyager and he would say the same thing. “It’s insured” or “they’re a public company, they’ll be safe”. It didn’t play out well for him… turns out no Bitcoin is FDIC insured. Voyager was lying.

Aerocryptic

Sure nothing can happen anymore. And let's forget about the fact that most of BTC's trading volume happens on the ETFs or that protocols like Hyperliquid are eating CEX"s market share. So comfy

ColegDropOut

What is the inflation rate of the global fiat system? This will be the minimum growth rate of BTC imo.

Known-Application106

This is the kind of thing that actually makes the case better than any BTC price chart alone. Seeing everyday stuff like a gallon of milk or a loaf of bread priced in sats from 2009 to now hits different. Nice work putting the data together.

Gr1009

Because this is the middle of a crypto winter. Because there are three giant IPOs coming (first is today) where the money will flow, causing BTC to fall further. Because Saylor admitted the Ponzi scheme yesterday when he said YOU should never sell, but my company should. You won't listen to this, but you did ask the question.

OddRecognition6214

BTC holding near .4K while demand is weakening underneath it is the part people miss. The crowd sees a chop day, but the flow data looks more like a fragile holder-profit zone than a clean reset.

Inevitable-Cat869

BTC should be considered more of a highly volatile long-term investment. Emergency funds are for immediate use in case of actual emergencies.

CizzGotRizz

I try to make it my duty to tell as many people who are interested, about BTC

Impossible-Buyer6389

Just BTC is the correct answer

Fast-Ice7537

well, yeah... but BTC would be my emergency fund anyway (but yeah I will also save some FIAT just in case), I can just sell. But hopefully that never happens

beingmodest

And the BTC decline has wiped out more than $1.2 trillion in market value and erased all gains recorded during President Donald Trump's second term.

OldGoneMild89

Absolutely should be funneling 100% of his paychecks into BTC for the remainder of their days

DimensionPrize8168

I’m pissed I have to sell my house first before I can take advantage of the BTC price right now. Once I sell, my proceeds are going to the bit

Lefties_TheWorst7331

Macroeconomics held this bullrun back a lot, but that will be what sends the next bullrun to oblivion.. People are going to realize investing into tech heavy SP500 is speculation and manipulation, not investing on true principals anymore.. so why not buy another speculative asset (BTC) instead of the speculative SP500? At least BTC has a ledger behind it showing any manipulation.. I have yet to find that ledger for the SP500..

Lefties_TheWorst7331

I'm full port into BTC and BTC related ETFs.. and also using margin. Also purchasing more every day. If you believe in it, hit it bro. If we haven't bottomed already for this cycle, then we should have been pretty damn close to it, if we haven't already. Honestly at this price level, it just screams to accumulate as much as possible because the next bullrun is gonna be juicy. If anything, set up a DCA recurring buy daily with money that you can afford to lose (if you hold there is no losing, though).

Raph0uX

How the fuck is it still early when there already are billion dollars ETF with BTC ☠️

Additional_Hat_9313

Acho que a precificação de produtos vai ser sempre em dólar ou moeda local e BTC sempre vai ser volátil, a você verá quando é hora de gastar ou segurar.

_This_Is_Ridiculous

But whoever you pay the BTC to just converts it to Fiat so you're forcing a selling event. Ferrari accepts BTC yet has a third party convert it to fiat so it really isn't being used as a the sole currency in the transaction.

Scared-Permit2587

Probably because you didn't think it would get back down to those levels again else you would have said I can't wait until BTC drops back down to 2021 prices so I can buy more rather than I would give anything to back to that date. See the difference?

CryptoGateLive

Did this dance with a lot of small merchants, so taking your four in order: 1. Self-custody vs processor — it's a false choice now. The setup you want is xpub-based: you give a processor (or your own BTCPay Server) your extended PUBLIC key, it derives a fresh address per invoice, and funds go straight to your wallet. You keep the keys; the software only does invoicing, payment detection, and records. Full self-host = BTCPay (free, but you run a server); hosted xpub-based gateways exist if you don't want ops. Avoid anything where "they" receive the coins and pay you out — that's the custody model you're rightly trying to skip. 2. Volatility — quote the job in dollars, always. The invoice locks a BTC amount at the current rate with a short expiry (15 min is the standard window), customer pays that amount, done. Whether you then hold or convert is a separate treasury decision — don't let it leak into pricing. "Lock and hold" means your books record the USD value at receipt, which also solves half of question 4. 3. Lightning for $200–500 — at that ticket size on-chain is honestly fine fee-wise most of the time, but confirmations take 10–60 min, which is awkward when you finish a job and want to leave. Lightning settles instantly and fees are negligible; BTCPay does both and picks per-invoice. For your sizes I'd offer both and let the invoice decide. 4. Taxes (the real pain) — every payment is ordinary income at fair market value when received; if you later sell/spend the BTC, the difference from that basis is capital gain/loss. The thing that makes year-end survivable is per-invoice records: date, BTC amount, USD value at receipt. Any decent gateway/BTCPay exports this as CSV; feed it to Koinly or similar and it's an hour, not a nightmare. The merchants who suffer are the ones reconstructing prices from a bare wallet history. (Disclosure: I work on a hosted non-custodial gateway in this space, so discount the "hosted exists" line accordingly — BTCPay is the right call if you want zero third parties involved.)

Retire_date_may_22

Like is said, I really hope you are right. Good luck. Just curious. What percentage of your portfolio is BTC?

BroheemTheDream

I see BTC going down to around 30k before going back up. I’m just scared for a lot of alts because that last “bullrun” for most of them was dogshit

Inevitable-Cat869

I basically bought BTC to shut my friend up and if I don't want to talk about something, I just pivot to BTC. Lol

skydiver19

Money rotates in to different assets. At the moment a lot of money is rotating into AI stocks etc. This is what happens when smart money via ETFs etc play a big part of BTC now. You also have the biggest IPO in history happening today and people will no doubt be rotating funds out of their ETFs in to SpaceX

grapedog

My family knows whether or not I invest in BTC. You illiterate fucks on the Internet however, do not get to know.

Far-Photograph-2342

My guess is BTC drops too, at least initially. When investors de-risk, they usually sell what they can, not just what they want to. We've seen that during multiple market shocks where Bitcoin traded more like a high-beta risk asset than a safe haven. The interesting question is what happens after the first wave of selling. If liquidity improves and crypto fundamentals remain strong, BTC could recover faster than many equities. But I wouldn't count on a tech correction automatically rotating money into crypto.

cyger

I like to diversify. I sold lots of BTC for AI stocks over the last couple of years - most would say that was not a brain dead move.

NoPea1663

How long have you been in Bitcoin? Been in BTC since 2016. Bought and sold several times and took profits. I still have a position in Bitcoin and DCA every month. I was DCAing every month with the plan on stopping when BTC hit 100k and it did. When it hit 126k it dropped so fast that I didn't have time to sell it. I took some profits at 82k. I first got into Bitcoin at $300. I think it's a bargain right now.

HesitantInvestor0

“No one should expect their 0.01 BTC today to buy them a yacht in 5 years.” Are you saying I should cancel my order?

Notorious7oh2

My 2 cents are the way technology is going you can’t predict *anything* 10-15 year out anymore. I am pro BTC but man it might not even exist in 10 years.

Teamduncan021

Space x owns BTC. 

mrjune2040

Yeah fwiw I’m basically one of those, all my BTC is from 2012. Investments in other things outside of that too obviously. A lot of these kinds of posts are from relative newbies, who don’t understand that capital is just rotating around to manage risk. My BTC sells are just managed reallocation over time to account for best tax outcomes, and I’ll continue to do that for the next decade plus. 60k, 40k, 120k, 200k- the exact prices don’t matter, heavy profit was determined long ago- it’s just about where that capital gets redeployed.

s3426556

Yay! Having my cash ready for BTC’s red candles so I can stack more 😂😂

GrokM14232

The MSTR trade was always a financing mechanism more than a pure conviction play. Saylor used the equity premium and the convertible bond market to lever BTC exposure at scale, which works well in a reflating environment. The selling, if it is happening, is probably routine within the strategy rather than a signal on BTC itself. What is worth watching is how the convertibles behave if BTC corrects 40% -- that is where the forced unwind dynamic could get interesting. The strategy is essentially a long-duration BTC call with convertible holders providing the financing; the exit costs are embedded in the structure from the start.

Assist_Lumpy

Are you in the usa. I think the most seamless so you can get use to it is FoldApp. It's a debit card and you can buy and sell Bitcoin so you can move between USD and BTC as you figure out how things work and it has the lowest fees. There is also river which is really good for buying and locking in BTC. I think buy and hold for now but those are my top two picks of you're just getting started.

darkpool_watcher

This is exactly what a healthy mid-cycle shakeout looks like after the post-halving euphoria. We’ve seen this movie in 2017-18, 2021-22, and now again. I’m doing the same as you, strict DCA on BTC and a bit of ETH, staying patient, and keeping dry powder for when real capitulation or better macro setup appears. No hero moves, no revenge trading. The $58-60k zone is key for BTC. If it holds, great. If it breaks, we’ll probably get one more scary leg down before the real recovery starts. Either way, the people who make it through these periods are the ones who don’t panic sell and keep stacking.

Hot_Sacks

Great take. IMO, outside of the forced sellers, the group that's creating the biggest consistent sell pressure is OG VC capital with huge gains already just rotating some of their holdings into AI and other sectors to de-risk, diversify, and potentially catch the next trend. However, they likely still have a ton of BTC exposure. If you listen to some of the later-stage OG's, who got in around 2015/2016, VC's in Silicon Valley were already balls deep into Bitcoin around 2012-2014 and bought in the single digits.

Stunning_Foot3864

BTC rewards patience and consistency more than activity, while most alt rotations quietly punish both.

Dull_Door_9376

Good analysis I have to agree and i really feel ethereum is becoming a stable coin. I would invest in BTC, Solana, BNB and maybe a little chainlink During next 1-4 months. Thats my play. Ai coins could have a strong rebound also in a coming bull run but these theme coins like gaming was before can easily fade or go crazy we never know

Western_Equal3407

I put some money into BTC & crypto every month for 4 yrs now. Once I put some in there I just pretend those funds are locked up or gone. Let’s see in several years when it finally moon up again.

ardus666

Where's that dude last month that made a post about BTC going up after getting close to the 200 day? He was so dam sure this was it.

OptimalBabato

I have hope we can bounce from here. Just DCA and buy BTC ETH!

pretend_to_be_normal

In the past, I liked the concept of a bucket of different cryptos. But have a look of the chart of your favorite alt compared to BTCt: It usually looks like a disaster if you zoom out to max time. Unfortunately, this also seems to be true for ETH. I had hoped in the past, that ETH would be important for DeFi. But nowadays I am afraid of bugs found by AI or potential quantum computer threats. I have no better solution to this than only BTC in native Segwit addresses (bc1q) which are not resused. Any thoughts?

Equivalent_Menu_1096

No es tan raro si piensas en cómo funciona el modelo de negocio de los mineros. La mayoría ya aseguraron contratos de energía a largo plazo y venden futuros de BTC para cubrirse. Cuando el precio cae, los mineros ineficientes se van, pero los grandes se quedan con más cuota de hash y siguen operando con margen. El verdadero problema no es que minen más, es que el precio bajo mata a los pequeños mientras los pools se consolidan. ¿Alguien más ve esto como una señal de centralización silenciosa?

Equivalent_Menu_1096

Honestamente, me rendí hace tiempo con eso. Bitcoin es un termómetro, no un rival. He perdido más tiempo y plata intentando "ganarle" con altcoins que simplemente comprando y holdando BTC. Lo único que me funciona es tener un % pequeño en shitcoins para jugar, pero asumiendo que es casino, no inversión. ¿Alguien más siente que el estrés de buscar el próximo 10x no vale la pena comparado con dormir tranquilo?

Equivalent_Menu_1096

Honestly, I’ve been burned too many times trying to short BTC on lower timeframes. The macro picture might look tempting with that resistance level, but the liquidity grabs these days are insane. Last month I got stopped out on a similar setup when it ripped 2% in minutes on some random news. Are you hedging with anything or just going naked? Curious if you’re seeing any volume divergence to back it up.

liquid_at

Love those posts... BTC low will be Oct/Nov and then we will see 2 years of slow creeping up that will annoy people.

Objective-Street-957

All the money are flowing to the tech/AI, BTC might used to be sound money but Trump/Saylor/Wall St has ruined it for good.

Sure_Value2003

1 BTC = 2 BTC during the bear market. Few understand this

cammmtheemann

yeah, I get what you mean. A lot of crypto people act like the whole financial world begins and ends with BTC candles, which is obviously not true. AI stocks have been the main casino for a while now but that’s kind of my point too. Institutions don’t care about crypto culture or any of that. They just move money between risk assets. when AI gets too crowded, when valuations get stupid, or when liquidity changes, money starts looking for the next trade. maybe it’s not all going into crypto, sure. But crypto is absolutely one of the places that can catch that rotation. so I agree with you that people should watch the broader market. I wouldn’t write crypto off while it’s sitting in fear

siorge

exactly, we're close to the theoretical bottom of the 4y cycle, and everyone is calling crypto dead which, to me, starts to sound like a buying signal. I'll be accumulating BTC and solid coins from the summer until October at least. then we resume the moon mission (also, my wife's bday is on the exact theoretical bottom of the cycle, so I want to open a 40x long on BTC on that day and see where it takes me)

Life-View-1757

BTC is still king honestly. ETH is still around but the ecosystem is way bigger now than it was a few years ago.

CaffeineColonel

BTC was test program it'll be abandoned and something similar will be launched when making the move to crypto (or maybe already did) BtC will be worth in black market transactions only after that.

WishboneSudden2706

BTC = 37k - 41k is the real dip in 2026.

Known_Sympathy_4517

ETFs bleeding doesn't mean institutions stopped buying though. Most institutional buying happens off-exchange through OTC desks and you won't see those flows in real time. Plus when price drops like this, institutions often increase their DCA strategies while retail gets scared and sells The disconnect makes sense when you think about it - retail reacts to short term price action but institutions are playing longer timeline. They probably see current levels as discount compared to where they think BTC will be in 2-3 years. Meanwhile retail is looking at their portfolio down 15% this month and panicking

gordonfr_

Maxing BTC is already stupid (my opinion sorry). Leveraging this is should be a no-go for everybody who has something to loose. If BTC flies to the moon, I want to be on board the ship, but it is no stable path for wealth.

r0cket-b0i

Cycle wise the winter ends around first week of October, and a new bull cycle begins, we all know it - so is this double bottom, it still could be. I think the way BTC price chart looks so far adds extra fun factor to it, I would not want to bet it all on a lower lows in October I would say that there is too much alignment that we should see 39k and all that just like how there was too much expectations for 200k last year. I start now.

ReliantToker

The event you are referencing from early May was a well-documented technical failure where a third-party pricing provider sent a corrupt data tick to Revolut's interface, causing the display to briefly flash to $0.02. There was zero corresponding price dislocation on actual primary liquidity venues like Coinbase, Kraken, or the CME. A retail app experiencing an API feed error is not proof of an evaporated global order book. While wash trading was prevalent in the unregulated offshore exchanges of 2017, the primary volume drivers of today's spot market are regulated Wall Street entities, CME futures, and spot ETF issuers. Highly audited institutions operating under SEC and CFTC oversight are not running illicit spoofing algorithms to fake their multi-billion dollar daily flows. Claiming that a sale of a "few dozen coins" permanently drops the market demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of capital markets arbitrage. Dumping 50 BTC at market might cause fractional slippage of a few basis points on a single, isolated exchange's order book for a matter of milliseconds. However, automated arbitrage instantly capitalizes on that inefficiency, buying the locally discounted asset and selling it on premium venues, to restore global price parity seamlessly. Where do you people even come up with this stuff?

OnChainReturns

The interesting part isn’t the 107 BTC. It’s that wallets inactive for 11 years suddenly moved and coordinated their actions. The burn is almost secondary to the question of *why now?*

Competitive-Fly4732

When you feel confident about throwing money into BTC, just keep going. Once the dip hits and you become fearful, STOP. Wait for a bit, skip one of your weekly/daily/monthly DCA targets, and just wait. Make up your mind, go on with your life, watch reputable YouTube channels that talk about BTC, and read The Bitcoin Standard. Once you feel more confident during the dip, start throwing money in again. It is not a joke. DCA cautiously.

gorgonfr

Thankfully BTC is a liquid asset. There are always buyers and sellers available. The price is determined by offer and demand.

Ced-Invest

This is the cleanest framing in the thread. Gold = hedge against uncertainty with a central-bank bid under it, BTC = proxy for liquidity expectations. They get lumped together but they answer two different questions. What made it click for me was looking at them by marketcap instead of price. Gold's total cap is still roughly 10x BTC even with both off their highs (gold \~$4,200, itself about 25% under its Jan top). So when BTC sells off on tightening expectations, it's not "the hedge failed," it's the liquidity proxy doing exactly what you'd expect when the curve starts pricing hikes instead of cuts. The recession test you mention is the real tell. In a genuine risk-off, the central-bank bid keeps gold standing while BTC reprices with the liquidity outlook. Same reason BTC's been tracking the Nasdaq at like 0.9 correlation lately, it's trading as the high-beta liquidity bet, not the safe haven. Curious where you'd put silver in that split, hedge or liquidity proxy?

Select_Aide_6548

Yeah, I'm a fan. Been into bitcoin since 2013. BTC is trading at $60k because it's trading at $60k. Even as a fan, I'd say it's foolish to say bitcoin "is" $250k in 2-3 years. You don't know that. I don't know that. We can guess/assume/hope for that. Unless your'e a seller today, but happy for low prices. I wish it would crash to $10k or below. I'm still in buy mode. The only reason I haven't bought another 10+ BTC is it's too damn hard to buy them with cash.

Select_Aide_6548

It would be almost impossible for him to start buying up a large supply of coins while also shaking weak hands and getting it cheaper. Unless he wanted to accumulate VERY slowly, each new % of BTC would cost way more than the first. He could get a big chunk from OTC at first, but that would dry up.

K42st

Microstrategy can buy huge amounts of BTC the price doesn’t move, if they sell 32 BTC the price won’t move it is a tiny amount and no one knows where they sold but the important part is they sold so someone bought. News matters but on its own it’s not going to do a lot, leverage is where you’ll find the price moves most it always has been and generally always will be, microstrategy buys will only show positive when liquid supply becomes tighter and that will take time.

CODE_HEIST

I would avoid building the trade around one surprise outcome. For crypto, the useful part is not guessing the exact decision; it is mapping the reaction. If the decision is risk-on but BTC fails to hold higher levels, that is information. If the decision is neutral but liquidity/risk appetite improves and BTC accepts above resistance, that is also information. Trade the conditions after the event, not the headline you hope for before it.

Days_End

> I'm curious how people are thinking about this cycle. If the stock market drops 15-20%, do you expect BTC to: **Drop harder?** I can't belive anyone honestly thinks anything otherwise. Maybe you could argue it could see a stronger faster recovery but even gold sell when there is that big of a drop people want pure cash.

pronebonedetector

buying more BTC on a daily basis

Educational_Cable405

Quick rundown of how these instant swap sites actually work, since people imagine some peer to peer magic. They're just custodians with their own liquidity and exchange accounts. You send USDC, it gets scored by a chain analysis API, and if the score is clean their hot wallet sends you BTC. If it's not clean, the funds sit on hold until you complete the exact KYC you were trying to avoid, and that's spelled out in basically every one of their terms of service. The 'no KYC' part really means 'no KYC unless our compliance vendor says otherwise'.

InfiniteWalrus1066

I think once quantum computing powered by AI takes hold, BTC's encryption will be broken and it'll all be worth £0 (20-30 years time?)

Competitive-Cry-6231

40 years = BTC will be forgotten about.

AnonInvest_DE_NL

Focus on BTC

nsbhq

You’ll feel this way for the next few years, then you’ll feel like a genius. With BTC at least, idk about every other coin.

fan_of_hakiksexydays

Futures are pumping, gold is pumping, dollar is dumping. New "peace agreement" announcement. A perfect opportunity for Bitcoin to rally and at least retake $70K. Meanwhile BTC's big rally with all this going on: $62k to $63K.

Educational_Cable405

There's a mechanical reason the 80% number keeps showing up. Most alts launch with low float and a huge fully diluted valuation, then spend the next two years unlocking tokens to VCs and the team every quarter. So even when the project executes fine, the price has to absorb a constant stream of fresh sell pressure that BTC simply doesn't have. The chart bleeding for months isn't the market rejecting the tech, it's the emission schedule doing exactly what the tokenomics page said it would.

Anonimo1sdfg

Creo que hoy hay opciones interesantes sin tener que recurrir a eso, por ejemplo el ETF BITU es como BTC x2 y tiene un costo anual de mantemiento del que se descuenta del precio de 1.89% aprox. Claro tiene sus riesgos estod instrumentos por lo general no invierten directamente en BTC usan derivados fianceñieros como futuros.

IShootWide

Lol. Bitcoin has the same exact value at $5K that it does at $60K. It does exactly the same thing. And now that every BTC treasury CxO agrees that it’ll never be used in transactions it’s value is essentially $0K. It. Does. Nothing. You’re buying vapor.

ReliantToker

​It is not a matter of fault, but rather a masterclass in capital markets arbitrage to exploit an archaic framework. If executing a mathematically negligible sale satisfies legacy credit rating requirements and unlocks billions to exponentially increase MSTR's overall BTC Yield, why would any rational investor let semantic pride block mathematical superiority?

herefromyoutube

Seriously question. Why invest in a company that invests in BTC when you can just invest in BTC

QuirkyGlove3326

I’m DCAing as usual. If it drops below a certain threshold, and I believe it will, then I will DCA at a faster pace. I have confidence BTC will retain and grow its value over time as fiat inflates. The basis of this confidence is the fact that billionaires, corporations, and countries have started stacking.

Rosenant

Right then they sold 36 and a week later bought 1550. Obviously they don’t really believe in BTC. Or do they? They dumped and pumped.

Sudden_9833

We are the change we want to see <3 BTC

Far_Tiger_2862

That’s an easy one, right back to 2010 and buy 1M Bitcoin at $0.00099 for $990 and sell it all when it hits ATH at $126,000 per BTC for a profit of $126,000,000,000

LionRivr

1. Have stable job & consistent income 2. Pay day-to-day and monthly bills 3. Service all your debt. 4. Contribute to 401k, ROTH or retirement accounts for free company match, tax benefits and S&P500 exposure. 5. Build emergency savings to cover unexpected life events and 6+ months of expenses in case you lose job. 6. Save some for hobbies/fun stuff 7. DCA weekly into BTC. DCA harder when it dips. 8. Do what it takes to increase your income over time. 9. Sleep well consistently. Get sunlight every day. Touch grass. Breathe fresh air. 10. Drink plenty of water. Eat whole foods. Don’t leave out red meat and eggs. 11. Move your body. Strength train. Build muscle. Mobility and injury-prevention exercises. 12. Nurture your relationships. Support your family, friends and community.

LionRivr

1) have a stable, consistent income 2) make sure you can cover monthly/day-to-day bills 3) make sure you can service all current debt 4) make sure to contribute to 401k and ROTH IRA or (other retirement account) if possible. Company match and tax benefits may be worth it. Have it allocated to S&P500. 5) build 6+ months of savings to cover expenses in case you lose your job. 6) DCA weekly into BTC without affecting your finances. Then for dips like this, increase your DCA amount by 1.5x or 2x This has worked for me for 9+ years.

WealthyTuna

I don't get his strategy. At this point he owns both personally and please bliclt through his company around 860,000 BTC. Given that we know there is approximately 2 million BTC that will never move again, he owns around 4.8% of all BTC. I don't understand this I want to own it all mentality. You don't make money if you own the vast majority of it.

GrundleBlaster

Something something cycles and phase shifts. A single green candle doesn't draw buys for BTC, but rather a series of green candles that gather momentum.

TattooedCFO

I get that theory, but with quantum computing deployed across the BTC network, would that not also speed up the confirmation process to keep pace with mining execution?

Psilonemo

I think BTC would front run the break, as it always has. It has the highest beta. It will break first and by the most margin. Gold will as well, but the real question is not which will break first and more, it's which of them will recover all time highs and go on. Me personally, I'm buying both gold and cryptocurrencies that are pure commodities like bitcoin, xmr, xno (no smart contracts or complex service related tokens.) That's just me though. All of us here could be completely wrong and it could very well be that the next 4 years is going to be like the dotcom bust and everything will crash another 50\~70% from here as the mother of all crashes.

ramzreo

No that wouldn’t alter the timeline to the point of BTC going to $0 that’s a bit of a ridiculous claim! Some people put few thousands in at that time so technically speaking if someone would go back in time they’d most certainly do the same. There was literally a free faucet in 2010 giving out 5 free bitcoins a day and here we are. The only timeline shift would be you holding on to it and not selling. Bitcoin would continue to do its own thing and get massively adopted for the same reasons it did cause merely buying into it wasn’t changing the code or how it was built.

Liquidated4life

Bruh, it was a lot more than “half a dozen times”. Saylor’s been spouting the same schtick for years about never selling BTC and trying to own it all.

Snowman33001

On the 5yr, GLD is up 118.9%. BTC is up 77.37%. Yes, it’s bad timing for the chart. But that’s still what it is currently. People see that and get scared. They also saw $100,000 as a “big, scary number,” because of unit bias. If you don’t think it’s been rough, then we just disagree, and that’s fine.

Unlicensed_Uncle

Monopoly money weirdos use on silk road. Imagine those sickos just mailing drugs to each other for BTC....and now they own the world. Good for them. 

jb_in_jpn

Likely yes, but BTC - as an "inflation hedge" investment - is obviously where states are putting down their really big purchases. We can parse any number of edge cases, but then the conversation grinds to a halt.

MrNoodleIncident

That analogy doesn’t work. With a retail sale, you are getting the product (which has a defined value to you) at a cheaper price. The item itself doesn’t devalue. But I understand your broader point of expected future value with BTC.

Reefa513

Don't listen to this guy, that's why no one will remember his name. Go balls deep in periods of extreme fear. I did in 2022 10btc at 20k on home equity line of credit. Sold at 120k. Just bought back that 10 BTC last week at 60k.

Abject-Stretch-1187

This is just what a pump chaser would say. You weren’t saying this nonsense when BTC was up more than 600% in 4yrs 

Sea_Cardiologist_339

People that poured their life savings into BTC at 100k.

jb_in_jpn

We're talking about nation states buying BTC. They're not buying Monero or shitcoins - it's obvious what I meant.

EuphoricChallenge890

You shouldn’t need to sell. There are already products that can lend using BTC as collateral