BTC

LargeSnorlax

At least those are comparisons to something in the last century of technology, which actually makes sense to compare, whether or not it's accurate. When you're comparing an era where [women took arsenic to make their skin beautiful](https://i.imgur.com/EKdRJpQ.png) the comparison is weaker than ETH's ratio to BTC.

Stereo-Gito

Just DCA BTC humbles those who try to time the market.

Stereo-Gito

Just DCA BTC humbles those who try to time the market.

biba8163

Let me have my comparison. I've been listening to /r/cc for years saying BTC is like AOL or like MySpace and that ETH is like AMZN in the 1990s.

nameless_pattern

States buy when the budget is made not when it's a good time to buy. This works fine for things that actually have strategic use or utility like gas or components for weapons, but there's no use for BTC other than selling for (hopefully) a profit

iz_raymond

It's historically has been the case. Without big institution/government involvement, BTC would have not risen as high as it can be. BTC itself has no intrinsic usage, not to the mass anyway, it's just a well accepted and agreed form of valuable asset

b1mm3rl1f3

By 2044, 0.1 BTC will be the block reward and almost impossible for most to acquire. The same way 3.125 BTC was achievable 5yrs ago but almost impossible today at $274k. Just $10/day into BTC @ 25% CAGR gets you $1.4M in 20 years (Saylor predicts 30% CAGR)

billbobjoemama

In the United States, using Bitcoin (BTC) to make a purchase is considered a taxable event. The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) treats cryptocurrency as property, not currency. Therefore, when you use BTC to buy goods or services, it’s akin to selling the BTC, and you must report any capital gain or loss based on the difference between your cost basis (what you paid for the BTC) and its fair market value at the time of the transaction.

_SlipperySalmon_

lol While we are drawing up exact plans for the BTC price here is mine: \-I would like bitcoin to drop to 5K per coin on May 7, 2026- I would then like to buy 47 bitcoin \-Next, I simply ask that bitcoin run to 500K per coin on March 12, 2027 \-At this time, I will clearly know that the peak is in, and I will trade each coin for a profit of 495K per coin \-Then, I ask that BTC president lower cost to 26K per coin on January 19, 2028 and I will trade the cycle Sincerly, Expert trader 69

justcurious3287

I wish I had $10 million to throw into BTC. :( I invest in BTC so that I have a shot at having even a fraction of that amount in the first place!

DankShibe

Gold is also used in practical applications unlike BTC. So it probably won’t be replaced.

SoilTiny7115

I’m confused why this community thinks there is something wrong with shorting a company that holds bitcoin. If there’s an opportunity to make money in the market, who wouldn’t use it? You can believe in BTC and hold it but still short it if you think the price is going to drop.

-Squidster-

**DO NOT trust this person!!** u/Thecasasciusdealer account was made just after u/showstopper1111 was called out for attempting to scam others, pushing 3 - 1 BTC Casascius coins that he had no possession of. OP advertised price as a 1 BTC, doesn’t even know pic was for a 5 BTC Casascius coin. Picture clearly has digital inserted text in it, he is recycling pictures of coins to pass off as if he has them. NEVER SEND BTC PRIOR TO ITEM IN HAND!!! Especially from some random new account. Always ask questions, post on r/CryptoCollectibles or ask on Bitcoin talk. Crypto deals with enough scams, last thing we need is anyone falling for a poor attempt like this.

borncrossey3d

No, even if BTC hits $1M thats only $10K. That isn't life-changing money, that saidif .01BTC gets you started and you keep stacking little by little as you can it can be a life-changing habit and if that .01 put you on the path I guess in that sense it can be life-changing.

Available-Two-9446

Fixed supply (only 21 million BTC ever), growing global adoption by institutions and nations, and halvings that cut new supply in half every 4 years. Demand outpaces supply = moon. Simple as that, Einstein would approve. 🚀

Alfador8

They survived the FTX pukening and BTC drop to $15k. What *will* kill them?

luisgvr

I think I remember seeing comments on more than one occasion referring to the figure of 0.1 BTC, but not 0.01.

Supaflyray

I’d rather mine BTC, or hold ETH and get paid to be apart of their governance system. Then being a bag holder watching a foundation dump pre mined coins onto people. The business model makes no sense. This is how they enter new coins into the market. It’s absurd. I did not tell one lie in my post Ripple releases pre mined coins onto people, lock up what nobody else will buy, and resells them at a later date. They squish the price of the token. For no reason other than to take profits for themselves. How do you not see that. The ledger is just the scam they gave the name too. What would the price of XRP be if they didn’t release tokens every month? Ask yourself that. Why should they release any tokens period?

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Asemco

Over a decade ago, 0.01 BTC wouldn't change your life. No one thought it would. 0.01BTC was given away freely if you entered your wallet address on a faucet website. (I unfortunately got into the game too late for BTC faucets) I don't know if 0.01 BTC will ever become life changing, but I'm sure many thought the same of 1 BTC. So I hodl.

MythicMango

the value of BTC doesn't change, but the value of fiat is decreasing, so...

KIG45

No, those days are not over, but you have to play for the long term. Just 2 years ago BTC was $16,000, and a few months ago it hit $126,000. That's x 8, so it all depends on your average price. Only buy in large quantities in bear markets to get better returns.

Background_City2987

As long as you hold BTC, no xD

marchelloooo

BTC fire sale incoming

BuenasNochesCat

I live in Malawi just north of this map. I know absolutely nobody who uses BTC, and there probably isn’t a single villager in the country with access to BTC. Microbanking through national cellular conpanies with the local currency is ubiquitous. Countries like ours with rampant inflation would be a natural fit for BTC if it were more stable, but the main barrier is getting the coins to begin with. Getting a ZAR to BTC exchange going is one thing, but getting a Malawian Kwacha or Congolese Franc to BTC exchange that doesn’t have onerous fees is another thing entirely. Extremely few here have regular access to forex like USD, EUR, etc. And if they could get access to exchanges, everyone would be using them to get stable coins to turn into real dollars or euro that they could use to buy imports or store value. I can’t imagine BTC ever, ever, ever being used here.

danatee

I'm not an expert by any means but I'll try to explain. It's a decentralized currency. It processes transactions and adds coins using hashers and nodes spread across the globe. Nation states can try to manipulate the currency by forcing miners to not process certain transactions or outlaw mining. But as long as there's still 51 percent of the miners online and processing all transactions, it can't be easily controlled. Countries can manipulate their own currencies by freezing money in banks or printing more currency or adding/removing gold/silver reserves. Bitcoin doesn't have this volatility and is designed to release more currency every 10 minutes as miners complete the next block in the chain. Miners are incentivized to process these transactions and complete blocks because their reward is some of that stable currency. This stability and decentralized nature makes it more appealing then relying completely on fiat money. If you like podcasts, check out Solo Satoshi Home Miners podcast. They cover quite a bit on BTC and it's benefits over traditional currency.

CW8_Fan

As long as we print fiat, BTC is gonna go up

pohkfririce

The price is based purely on market sentiment. People try to quantify or rationalize that the market sentiment will continue to increase the price, but that’s a guess based purely on vibes. Inversely it’s impossible to say with certainty it will go down in price. Seems more relevant to speculate on if BTC will be adopted for more actual use cases in the future than what the price will do

Downtown_Ship_6635

I agree up to the point when you start to argue against alts based on their price history. BTC is also cheaper now than several years ago...

Pea-Pod-4165

Mixing BTC can still help with privacy and fungibility, but it’s riskier today.

Square_Cherry7414

No I actually don’t have much into BTC, was just simply saying that fiat flows into all of these assets

BenniBoom707

Fucking sell kid. Never look back. You have your money in a shitcoin. This is pure gambling. But congrats, due to luck, you beat the house. Now walk away and never come back. Or put your money into BTC/ETH and just kick your feet up

QryptoQurios2020

What happens to countries and places that don’t have electricity or telephone networks for cell phones? How can they access BTC for payment?

kboogie82

That's the problem with BTC. That's why I avoided it for the longest time we evaluate in dollars.  The problem is as I and most of us have found out that those dollars won't be worth dollars in 10 years they will be the equivalent to spare change.

Notrustjustverify

BTC is the escape.

WickedDeity

I put a couple of words in CAPS to highlight them in my comment that really made this comment unnecessary. LOL I happen to be almost at 0.1 BTC myself and 10 years from now happens to be around my retirement age. Having 100,000 dollars at retirement with so little investment (over 17 years total) on my part would be really nice. It's almost a ridiculous outcome for an "investment". Understand Bitcoin is just part of my saving for retirement. BTW why does your scenario have no further investment in Bitcoin over the next 10 years?

nitr04

That's a fair view, but i expect BTC to outperform stocks for at least the next 10 years, that's why i stay invested

Leverage_Trader

Start with 15-20% of the capital (gold coins). As you are in for a long tenure, buy BTC for that capital and after that: 1 - if BTC increases, you would get the gains; 2 - if BTC falls more 5-10%, use another 15-20% of remaining capital (gold coins) to buy more. Both are WIN WIN in longer period of time

AlternativeTie4738

Weak assets (cash) flow to stronger assets over time (BTC, commodities, stonks)

SourceSorcerer

“You’re paying how much for those things? $500 a piece?! And what do they do exactly?” My family members when I first started telling them about BTC ten years ago.

locotxwork

I wonder what happened to the BTC received by the other guy? Did he sell it all? If so, maybe he needs to catch some strays too.

thinkingperson

I have bitcoin in my stash but I also have the same question as you. The past four years have shown me that whether it is bitcoin, fiat, or anything else for that matter, there is nothing certain as far as value is concerned. The only thing certain is supply and demand. BTC has **capped supply** going for it but it still depends on **buy demand** outpacing **sell supply** for its price to go up. Note the distinction between capped supply vs sell supply. While supply may be capped, if there is enough sell supply outpacing buy demands, price will go down. AFAIK, the hodl mantra and taking your coins off exchanges helps reduce sell supply. A parallel that comes to mind is classic art pieces that also have capped supply because Vincent van Gogh or Da Vinci isn't about to come around to do new paintings. While value of art pieces go up only because of authorship and collectors who see value in them. Of cos we've also heard of how there are those who buy art pieces for investments and tax deduction etc, they also do so because they believe that others see either art or financial value in these art pieces. So as long as there are people who believe in the value of bitcoin, there would be buy demand. The question is whether they see it as a viable form of investment or not. I'm writing based on what I know. You will have to decide yourself if there will be more people who believe that scarcity itself is sufficient value for others to want to own bitcoin.

No_Leather_3676

BTC will soon be dropped as the standard. It looks like it already is. It just won’t be as profitable to whales anymore as they an hike that percentage up with the same leverage for their money. XRP, ETH or even other secure but cheaper coins like DOT will become the playground, leaving the utility disabled BTC as a relic. Anything in the top 10 is a fairly safe gamble, as safe as can be in crypto, anything outside the top 10 is pure chance. XRP to me is strong, will see good profits and has an ever growing real world case all the time, with the possibility of mooning.

devCheckingIn

Let me know when BTC breaks $100k.

tallboybrews

I had a plan to buy $200/mo when it was peaking. Even justified it to my wife by saying I'd stop buying coffee out since this is way more significant. Well, BTC plummeted and made me uncomfortable and I didnt keep buying. Pretty sure I would have changed 4k into 30k+ if I stuck to the plan

EmberPaintArt

Bitcoin is volatile day-to-day but on a 10-year timeline it's undefeated in terms of growth. It's dropped way worse than this (percentage wise), it always recovers and then reaches for new highs. It will do it again. And drop again, and rise again. Many times over. BTC is also really good at hitting milestone levels people say are impossible. $1,000 seemed impossible once, then $10k, $20k, $50k, $100k... ***On a long enough timeline, Bitcoin always rises, and at least 10% per year for over a decade. There is no reason to believe that will stop now. Nothing we're seeing suggests the pattern is changing.***

Aggravating_King1473

my first bitcoin purchase was 0.1 BTC..all in one purchase. Now it takes me a year to collect the same amount.

turribledood

There's plenty of stats available about LN and they all show the same: absolutely fucking no one uses it. There are only 43,000 total payment channels open on LN right now, so 43,000 pairs of senders/receivers out of the ~100M or so estimated BTC owners. Once you account for "whales" involved in numerous different LN channels, only something like ~0.001% of BTC owners are engaged in small payments via LN. For perspective VISANET blows through 43k payment channels every ~5 seconds on average, all day, every day, and that's only 1/3 of all global CC transactions. And it's never going to get THAT much better, because the entire premise of LN is just the same old shitty international correspondent banking system we have now with pre-funded accounts and delayed settlement, except instead of only needing 1 channel between 2 banks to settle many people's payments, you now need 1 channel between each individual pair of users, so it's actually vastly less efficient than status quo. Tl;dr: BTC is only marginally better for micro transactions than physical gold.

No-Wish-4737

I will buy your entire BTC stack today, DM ME.

iamacheeto1

1 BTC = 1 BTC, 1 Dollar = less than 1 dollar in a year, thus 1 BTC will always equal more dollars over time

biba8163

**BTC** BTC itself is a speculative asset with the narrative of digital gold. It's a digital asset with no intrinsic value except the speculative value we give it. Satoshi: > *As a thought experiment, imagine there was a base metal as scarce as gold*... > ..and one special, magical property: > - can be transported over a communications channel > *If it somehow acquired any value* at all for whatever reason, then anyone wanting to transfer wealth over a long distance could buy some, transmit it, and have the recipient sell it. > Maybe it could get an initial value circularly as you've suggested, by people foreseeing its potential usefulness for exchange. (I would definitely want some) Maybe collectors, any random reason could spark it. Alts are double speculative and need BTC to go up and then hope that BTC carries it along. They have on average a 0.90+ correlation coefficient to BTC. They have no independent value in and of themselves despite the narratives sold to you. **XRP** > Nostro/Vostro, ODL, the Standard, Global Settlement Currency, MoneyGram, SWIFT, Japanese Banks Yet XRP price today is the same as it was 8 years ago in 2017. Almost a decade of dead money investing in it. https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/20171231/ Despite the bullshit narratives, XRP has no independent value in itself but can only appreciate when BTC goes on a bullrun and carries it higher. - -92% in BTC bear market from 2014-2016 - 1,000s% gain in 2017 BTC bullmarket - -92% in 2018-2020 BTC bear market - Modest rise in 2021 BTC bull market - Dump again in 2022-2023 BTC bear market - Touches 2018 ATH again in 2024 when BTC bull runs to $100K **LINK** > CCIP, CCID, VRF, CRE, SWIFT, Muh Town Crier will tell you the Truth, Hocus Pocus Oracles will serve you Truths from Golden Data Containers Yet LINK price today is the same as it was 5 years ago in 2020. Exactly half a decade of dead money investing in it. https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/20200815/ Despite the bullshit narratives, LINK has no independent value in itself but can only appreciate when BTC goes on a bullrun - -$2 to $20 ATH in 2020 when BTC went from $4K to $12K bouncing off the Covid lows and into tge halvening pump - ATH of ~$50 in 2021 BTC bullrun - -90% in 2022 BTC bear market - Left behind ever since **ETH** > DAOs (Decentralized Autonomous Organizations will be the corporations of the future), Triple Halving, Supply Crunch, DeFi (Decentralized Finance will replace Traditional Finance), RWA, muh Institutions, the Plumbing of WallStreet.... Yet ETH price today is the same as May 2021. 4 1/2 years. Almost half a decade of dead money investing in it. https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/20210514/ Despite the bullshit narratives, ETH has no independant value in itself but can only appreciate when BTC goes on a bullrun and carries it higher. - No real appreciation in BTC bear market from 2015-2016 - 1,000s% gain in 2017 BTC bullmarket - -92% in 2018-2020 BTC bear market - 900% gain in 2021 BTC bull market - -70% dump again in 2022-2023 BTC bear market - Touches 2021 ATH again in 2025 when BTC bull runs to $120K

Sh4yce

Arrival of trustless bridge to other chains like ETH such that all the value of BTC could with minimal risk and no middlemen earn a yield. I mean the whole debate vs gold as a store of value is like okay, but imagine if gold could earn a return. BTC can be that and it will be a game changer

GBW901

I bought gold about 8 years ago and inherited a couple pieces. I have about 6 pieces. Felt gold would rise, and did this long before BTC was on my horizon. It is a very insignificant piece of my portfolio

ZT0141

Being honest, I don’t think BTC can replace gold. The USA alone has trillions of dollars worth. Other countries are rapidly buying gold too. The two will co-exist in our lifetime

gowithflow192

Thinking of converting my crypto to gold. Has more upside right now. BTC is heading into a bear market. Gold has at least another year to run.

Ok-Tea-8287

With capitalists gradually leaving the market, BTC is finding it increasingly difficult to perform well.

29da65cff1fa

lol at redditors holding 0.1 BTC, dunking on one of the OG bitcoiners. not just a HODLer, but someone involved in moving the tech forward (GPU mining)

Capable_Location9278

All good comments. Ask why you bought the gold? A currency hedge, or? How much gold do you own as a percentage of your assets? Both short and long term? I own both and feel BTC has been more of a currency hedge for me, versus acting as a currency. I feel gold has more to run as the Fed lowers rates, again and the USD falters. At least in the US. I own both to diversify as a currency hedge. Question is how much more do you think gold and BTC have to run?

letsdrinktothat

So the diluted mNAV is now 0.98. Basically the premium has been wiped out, and the stock is trading 1:1 to the value of the bitcoin they hold. The MSTR premium only made sense (if it made sense at all) in bull market conditions, so I'd imagine Strategy would expect such a correction in the case of a significant BTC pullback. I don't see why Saylor should resign in that situation.

WickedDeity

I find it odd no one has directly said it's 0.1 of Bitcoin that is commonly said one should get to that could change your life in the future NOT 0.01 of BTC. LOL

BlackDog990

Human greed and perpetuity. As long as some people think that BTC is valuable, it will continue to have a market for people buying and selling it trying to maintain or grow their buying power. And BTC, unlike say stock in a bankrupt company, won't go anywhere. It can't goto zero because there will always be people who value it in excess of zero, and the network will exist until the millions of people globally running nodes decide to stop, which isn't really likely.

Ulrask

My thread was removed by automod, reposing here: # I reached a full cycle today ! I was doing my investment spreadsheet today and I noticed that exactly this day 4 years ago I bought BTC for the first time, at the tail end of last bull market (or early bear, depends on how you want to see it) My first exchange was at a rate of \~50K USD My lowest was around \~18K USD (I was lucky, just got a big bonus around the all time low and I exchanged it all in BTC) My average is currently around \~28K USD My annual ROI is around 45% at today's price. I was never tempted to exchange back because the rate went down, from very early on (maybe the 2nd year ?) I was confident about the 4 year cycle. Not that I thought (or think) that pattern will hold forever, more like I thought there is no need to worry as long as it's following the trend. I was often very, very tempted to exchange back to buy shits-I-don't-need. I mostly resisted the temptation, but still bought a medium-sized sailing boat with a small part of the profit. Excellent decision, turns out I love sailing. I learned that custodial exchange are not a good proposition. I got lucky and both services I used (cryptocom and nexo) didn't go belly up, but it really is just luck, I could easily have chosen one of the competitor that went bankrupt. The amount of stress you are under as you fear for the solvability of the custodian is not worth the incentive. I am now 100% self custody and sleep better that way. And no matter what you do, never lock your BTC for months for better yield ! The tiny increase in yield is not worth the huge increase in stress, when you fear the custodian would bankrupt any day and your bitcoin is not available to you for weeks or months still ! I also learned that altcoins are not worth it, not even ethereum. Both the volatility and the return of BTC are high enough you'd be crazy to increase them evermore. None of the alt I ever had beat bitcoin over my holding period, I'd have more bitcoin today if I had stuck to bitcoin only. I now believe trading is bullshit. I came up with half a dozen trading strategy that could definitely be reliably profitable. I backtested them all using historical data (thanks binance, they provide detailed .csv going back a decade or more) and none of them were actually profitable. I do not know if the 4 year cycle is over yet, I believe it could be. I mostly have no plan on trying to time the market even though it would likely be a good move: what if its not ? I couldn't stand staying on the dock watching the ship sail. I do keep a bit of dry powder just in case though. tl;dr: If I could talk to my 4 years ago self, I would tell me : 1) Custodial wallet are not worth the extra yield 2) no altcoins 3) no trading See you in 4 years !

TechnologyMinute2714

Everyone is predicting we're entered or have just entered the bear market, news flash we were already in bear the last year, if we're red on the year how can you call that "bull"? The reason we didn't get massive corrections is opportunity cost and relative correction, everything else pumped while BTC dumped or crabbed that's still a correction that is relative and has a huge opportunity cost + the overall crypto market especially for BTC is a lot more mature with ETFs and institutions so don't expect -80% corrections unless something massively breaks (like USDT or Binance etc.) Now this doesn't predict whether 2026 is a continuation of the bear or a return to the bull idk but usually bear lasts 1 year.

bluecgrove

You are wrong. Even though it is through an ETF, you bought BTC. You are trying to focus on the technicality that one doesn't own (self-custody) BTC through an ETF, but by buying the ETF you in essence are acquiring exposure to BTC and therefore have a stake in BTC. They used fiat to pay a 3rd party to buy and hold BTC for them. This is a very simple concept, unlike you, I want our comments to stay up so others can read through and actually understand the semantics game you are trying to play.

Quixotus

BTC is trading in the $80k region for several days already.... Back to $90-100k wen?

Raumland

I would say 0.1 BTC will change your life

repomies69

When you send your mixed coins to an exchange, you might get a higher risk score and have to provide more details about your source of funds. In the worst case they might just close your account if they think you are too risky. Might be a good idea or bad, depends on the situation. If I had a big amount of BTC, I would likely mix to smaller amounts before paying to merchants, otherwise the merchant might see that I have a lot of BTC which is not nice. However exchanges have legal requirements to know your SoF so there is not much to do there.

Ok-Worldliness8828

You will probably need more like .1 - .5 BTC to have anything truly impactful.

bluecgrove

Yet\* They plan on self-custody, but even buying through an ETF still means they are investing in BTC. Let's not play coy here rocket\_beer lol

MysticDicki

The only thing I can say dont do that, it is the most stupid thing you can do. Most altcoins are useless and don’t have any utility so just invest in BTC and ETH if you don’t have time to check charts everyday

Major-Rabbit1252

Macro-economics impact that USD price of BTC, not hype or memes. It’s way to vast for a meme to impact the price, that’s misguided and quite ridiculous Retail actually doesn’t even really matter anymore when it comes to BTC. Not sense wallstreet got involved

biba8163

The market is maturing and consolidating. - BTC Marketcap 5.4X since 2017 BTC ATH - Top 4 Alts Marketcap 4X since 2017 BTC ATH - Total Alt Marketcap 3.1X since 2017 BTC ATH - Stablecoin Marketcap 320X since 2017 BTC ATH Innovation is just crypto hype to sell you a bunch of shitcoins that make the founders and VC rich. The Use Cases are that are being adopted are clear: - Store of value = BTC - Payments, transfers, remittances = Stablecoins - Rails for Stablecoins = Ethereum, Tron, Solana, ETH L2s, etc. - Privacy *(Very little wide level public interest but honorable mention here)* There has been little innovation of anything can can provide real world value and adoption outside BTC. Remember, the Omni Layer was created on top of Bitcoin that allowed custom token ownership and transfer in the network which allowed for the creation of ICOs and the launch of Tether on the Bitcoin network. Other networks like Ethereum and Tron now provide the rails for Stablecoins instead of BTC which functions as a decentralized store of value. Remember what Vitalik said in 2018 that Altcoins are defacto Layer 2s for Bitcoin. Stablecoins have just moved to BTC Layer 2s (Altcoins) for better efficiency as rails. | | Dec. 2017 | Nov. 2021 | Nov. 2025 |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:|:------------:| | BTC | $0.32T | $1.23T | $1.73T | Top 4 Alts | $0.163T | $0.8123T | $0.68T | Total Alt | $0.282T | $1.52T | $0.97T | Stablecoin | $0.001T | $0.11T | $0.32T | Total Crypto| $0.603T | $2.86T | $3.02T | **Top 4 Alt Dom. over Alts**| **57.80%** | **53.44%** | **70.10%** | **BTC Dom. Over Top 4** | **66.25%** | **60.23%** | **71.78%** | **BTC Total Alt Dominance** | **53.16%** | **44.73%** | **64.07%** **Any dominance indicated is measured excluding stablecoins* Reminder, Rails for Stablecoins need to remain cheap: > in order to compete with other chains, Ethereum will have to scale and that has seen the rise of L2/sidechains which results in loss transaction fees and MEV tips essentially stealing value from ETH. This essentially turns Ethereum, Solana, BSC, Tron, L2/Sidechains, etc into competing networks for DeFi casinos and rails for StablecCoin transfers where they have to remain cheap or utility and users will move to competing chains. (September 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/ethfinance/comments/1f9ef5k/daily_general_discussion_september_5_2024/llmkgtm/

dubtug

Ask yourself, "Will the US govt. continue to print money?" If the answer is yes, BTC will continue to rise in fiat terms.

NgArclite

Life changing? No. But most likely to give a decent profit. I bought .01 a while back when it was like 9k and sold at 33k. I doubt BTC will crash to 0 so it might be a nice small investment.

Consistent_Panda5891

A great believer and a great shorter. BTC to 40K.

Solana_Chief

Yes, in fact BTC is a reputable asset nowadays, I'm accepting crypto payments through Cryptomus for my business and I'm seeing a significant amount of people paying with crypto and those numbers should only increase in the coming years

No-Setting9690

Ok, just checking. Yes that is the intent of BTC to give power of our money back to us. But it's value, whether specifically backed like Tether, will always be tied to currencies that can make it centralized, i.e. US Dollar. 99.9% of crypto is made for people to get rich, unlike BTC.

panthera_N

he is disappointed that the ico movement is over, where you just introduce a new blockchain and say this is the coolest tech, flip BTC, then pump and dump, where insiders and smart people easily make 100x, and a bunch of people hold the bag, and now the cycle is in its final stages and there is no altcoin season yet, so he is very very very disappointed

Yesthisisdogmeow

It was explained a few times already here. They keep printing money and that will never stop. While they keep printing, the fiat is diluting and losing purchasing power. BTC will be 21 million coins and that’s a hard ceiling. No more BTC will be mined after that, so it will retain its purchasing power. If you take the buying power of $100 from 1995 and compare it to now that $100 is equal to $184.81 in today’s dollars. So buying power back then is almost double what it is now. There is a picture that shows buying power of BTC from 2011 to now showing how many BTC to buy an average home in the US. Went from a lot to a few BTC now. And that’s comparing a hard asset to BTC.

Bay_Brah

I’ve heard people say 0.1 BTC will be enough. I’ve never heard anyone claim 0.01 will be enough

biba8163

The market is maturing and consolidating. - BTC Marketcap 5.4X since 2017 BTC ATH - Top 4 Alts Marketcap 4X since 2017 BTC ATH - Total Alt Marketcap 3.1X since 2017 BTC ATH - Stablecoin Marketcap 320X since 2017 BTC ATH Innovation is just crypto hype to sell you a bunch of shitcoins that make the founders and VC rich. The Use Cases are that are being adopted are clear: - Store of value = BTC - Payments, transfers, remittances = Stablecoins - Rails for Stablecoins = Ethereum, Tron, Solana, ETH L2s, etc. - Privacy *(Very little wide level public interest but honorable mention here)* There has been little innovation of anything can can provide real world value and adoption outside BTC. Remember, the Omni Layer was created on top of Bitcoin that allowed custom token ownership and transfer in the network which allowed for the creation of ICOs and the launch of Tether on the Bitcoin network. Other networks like Ethereum and Tron now provide the rails for Stablecoins instead of BTC which functions as a decentralized store of value. Remember what Vitalik said in 2018 that Altcoins are defacto Layer 2s for Bitcoin. Stablecoins have just moved to BTC Layer 2s (Altcoins) for better efficiency as rails. | | Dec. 2017 | Nov. 2021 | Nov. 2025 |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:|:------------:| | BTC | $0.32T | $1.23T | $1.73T | Top 4 Alts | $0.163T | $0.8123T | $0.68T | Total Alt | $0.282T | $1.52T | $0.97T | Stablecoin | $0.001T | $0.11T | $0.32T | Total Crypto| $0.603T | $2.86T | $3.02T | **Top 4 Alt Dom. over Alts**| **57.80%** | **53.44%** | **70.10%** | **BTC Dom. Over Top 4** | **66.25%** | **60.23%** | **71.78%** | **BTC Total Alt Dominance** | **53.16%** | **44.73%** | **64.07%** **Any dominance indicated is measured excluding stablecoins*

topbossultra

That’s currently 870 USD. If BTC is 8.7 million in 10 years, you will have a 100x on your hands, in which case, you still only have 87k USD. I doubt BTC will 100x in 10 years. That’s incredibly optimistic. But even if it does, you will not have life changing money. So no, .01 is not enough. Will you still make money, yes.

wh977oqej9

Not in a decade. For me life changing would mean FIRE. But for this I would need at least 500k€ at this moment. 0.5BTC at 1M€ - it could be life changing.

EMN-V

I look at BTC as a savings/retirement mechanism. A lot like how 401k’s have been utilized in the corporate world. Every paycheck, ~6% is automatically taken out and stored away. BTC will be largely take the place of those financial instruments. Most people will own bitcoin without actually understanding it or interacting with it, much like retirement investing today. We are still front running this transition as of now. So I treat any contributions as simply pulling the retirement “finish line” closer and closer.

RandomPlayerCSGO

Why over other assets? Why not with other assets? It is stupid to limit yourself to a single type of assets, crypto is a better investment when combined with stocks and commodities like gold, since often those 3 types of assets move in opposite directions which gives you opportunities to do some trades and accumulate. I am a simple man I like my stocks I like my crypto and I like my gold, and I want as much of those as possible, so if BTC goes down and gold is up I'm using gold to buy BTC, if then BTC goes up and stocks go down I'll sell some BTC for stocks and I will then change some stocks for gold or BTC once stocks go up and one of those two go down

Naive_Carpenter7321

Keep in mind inflation will make everything more expensive in 10 years. If BTC was a 1:1 "hedge against inflation", the goal is that £500 today will be the £500 equiv in 10 years. you keep your money. vs. the current system where £500 under a mattress will be worth £50 equiv in 10 years, and you lose your money.

MysticDicki

Tbh right now I would say wait for it to drop towards 60k and then full port. But BTC is king and will be worth 1 million till 2030

Significant_Mousse53

No. We've had the life-changing times - they were nice - now it's time for BTC to grow up (and out of that).

satsugene

Anything with value is an asset, compared to a liability (cost). A pebble, while not worth much because of supply, still has value because *someone* thinks it does and is willing to trade for it. That doesn’t necessarily mean the pebble is useful (though it is), or that usefulness necessarily defines price, just that someone wants it.  BTC has a lot of strong qualities that make it a useful asset for the purposes of exchange (low TX costs, fixed supply, not tightly associated with a company or state whose performance may affect its desirability in the market, portable, verifiable, etc.) which is a reason some people, given the choice, might prefer be paid in BTC instead of some other currency or good (though some other process).

Bad-practice

Bitcoin will go to a million. You do the math. The more the better. People used to think the same about 10 BTC 10 years ago probably

MakeItMine2024

Institutions are causing artificial dips to spook people into panic selling. They are shorting MSTR because of their BTC holdings to indirectly discredit it. They are doing this so at some point should the gap or actual worth to market cap become excessive will try to buy them out to acquire the 3-4% of total BTC. Estimates are there will only be about 17 million to 18.5 million BTC in existence because of those that are lost forever

investingtruth

0.01 BTC alone won't change your life but the discipline of stacking it will. If BTC hits $1M that would equal $10k. Nice gain, not life-changing. The real power isn't the single position, it's building the habit of consistent accumulation in a scarce asset. Most people who got rich on Bitcoin didn't buy once and wait. They bought regularly over years while everyone called them crazy. Don't think of 0.01 BTC as a lottery ticket. Think of it as your first rep at the gym. One rep won't change your body, but showing up consistently for years absolutely will.

CJr_2021

Thanks. It would be a huge impact to know how many transactions with BTC are happening

DarrinEagle

.001 is what, almost $900? In a decade, BTC likely will be 10x, maybe 100x. So will $9,000 or $90,000 change your life? I think staying in school and learning simple math will be more impactful.

Cantrillion

Law of large numbers. If it does a 100x from here and 0.01 BTC is worth $90k, it will exceed the world's money supply. Hyperbitcoinization. Ain't going up that much from there, though you will know your share won't be inflated away.

tmcnix

No… in 2035 VERY optimistically 0.01 BTC is worth $10,000

devCheckingIn

You might be right but to be honest, BTC might be a fad that's over also. This year showed a complete lack of interest, despite all the talk of it on financial outlets like CNBC or whatever. It's just like... nobody cares about it. And the things that kept the price afloat this year (DATs, etc.) are going to be fading narratives. Something else might come along eventually to pick up the slack... but maybe not.

alsoilikebeer

Nothings changed. No targets were missed. BTC as a concept is very much the same as it was in the beginning in october when the marked wanted to pay 126K per coin. Its the same now that they want to pay 87K for it. Bitcoin was Bitcoin at 10K aswell. Nothing has changed, so you should like it just as much as you did before and maybe buy even more cause it is on sale. Trust your own mind, don\`t let the market tell you what is good and bad every day. You\`ll go nuts and be poor if you do.

Virtual-Metal9290

What do you mean by "value"? If that means the US dollar exchange rate then yes. Inflation of USD is baked into the current system and everything will go up in "value" forever. If by "value" you mean the number of ramen packets you can buy with it then maybe. It depends on the supply and demand for both ramen and BTC. I suspect the supply of ramen will roughly ramp up and down to match the demand, but the supply of BTC is locked in so if demand increases then the value will go up. I think demand will increase as more people (or agents) discover its utility.

Naive_Carpenter7321

Bitcoin could bottom out at zero... technically. But as it does, all those Bitcoin are still there accessible by their respective keys, and we'll start to find collectors of historical items wanting to stack up just for magic Internet points (Hello Reddit), it happens in many markets. As collectors stack up, there will be amateur miners trying to stop them controlling 51% (Human jealousy, if I can't have my millions, nobody should be able to). BTC will either stagnate as a penny stock, or go gradually back up due to fixed supply and continued FOMO.