BTC

Thelmholtz

Regardless of whether you think that or not, basing that conclusion on this "evidence" is indeed delusional. I believe BTC price will keep increasing slowly and steadily, but I don't think it will skyrocket again. Even my 98 year old grandmother in a third world country has heard about BTC, we are not 16 years ago where it was a breakthrough technology only tech people in a certain niche had heard about. But even if I did think it was going to skyrocket again, I wouldn't do so out of snake oil technical analysis mumbo jumbo.

ptsi8

Thats fair, I did fw Pepe and had a lot of good times with it in 2024 i even stopped working for a year lmao then got rekt in 2025 and back to work. But 2023/24 were epic and I expect the same for 2027/28. New alts will go nuts too but gotta be ok to be a little late to the party and enter with size. It’s tempting to buy HYPE and ZEC when they get oversold and BTC stabilizes. 

ptsi8

It was the same exact talks 4 years ago I remember grabbing .9BTC under 17k and being told to never touch that shit again not even with a 10ft pole.  We will get another 25% weekly candle out of nowhere in the next few weeks/months and it’ll be Alt season talks again (sell/derisk)

yeo_lim-4605

Which resignation report did you see? The thread doesn't establish that claim or a link to BTC.

Bogdan-Behemot

If the price shot to 100k the only comments would be that BTC is the future, funny how that works. Sentiment and these comments are useless.

Emergency_Dish_1213

Where were you all at the last bottom before bull market...? It will be at least another 12 months until BTC starts to gain more attention. This is our accumulation phase.

markpl3w15

How do I short BTC in the UK

Occams_ElectricRazor

I would never convince someone to be a maxi because I'm not a maxi. BTC is 10% of my portfolio. It will remain 10% of my portfolio.

NeedCaffine78

Nah, passive investment. Timing was a coincidence, thought BTC was at a good price and had some spare money at the time, ETH and XRP too. Sold some 18 months later as needed some money, wanted to take some risk out of it

CheekiTits

This sub is amazing isn't it. Literally get the whole "GoOd LuCK StaYiNG PoOr!" Rhetoric by 100 buck investors when my BTC average is 6k lmao. 

petragta

Next goal 2.1 BTC

Yojik_Vkarmane

Buy signal! BTC is going to explode.

D44NTe

Hahahahahaha, wann wird der letzte BTC gemint auf der blockchain ? Ab 2027 kommt in den USA komplett regulierter Markt für offizielle US-Dollar-Stablecoins, die den US-Dollar digital weltweit verbreiten sollen, ich würde im moment abwarten und in einer globalen Krise wieder in BTC investieren. Fazit: Wenn mann BTC zu einen staatlichen Coin tauschen könntest und es wird überall akzeptiert dann ist der sicherer Hafen der US Dollar Stablecoin der an die USA gebunden ist. BTC hat sein Ziel verfehlt schau dir nur an wo 70% und das sind die 4 größten Cryptobörsen, was ja die idee der Dezentralisierung verfehlt hatt.

AstralVenture

Because you’re not supposed to invest your life savings into BTC. BTC should be a part of your portfolio, but not a large part of your portfolio. Think of it as an emergency fund for if and when fiat money collapses.

BetterFunny6883

When I say volatility it's abstract and implied by emotions of course. Not a literal feature...but driven by several factors. I know this technology more than anyone else coz I've spent months studying it and I'm a developer btw...and on top of that I'm a BTC whale 🐋🐳

Inevitable_Moment_11

Cash is king. Bitcoin is driven by hype, speculation, and market manipulation. At the end of the day, real cash holds value without relying on market sentiment. BTC is more hype than substance.

Rechenplaner

Sorry, but anyone who invests in nonsense like "Dogecoin" shouldn't be investing in anything at all… Apart from that, BTC is extremely robust in the face of the severe crises that have occurred since the beginning of 2025.

Ectop1c

The key to stomaching the volatility of BTC is to never go 100% and always keep some cash on the side. This gives you the psychological option of seeing big corrections as buying opportunities to “dollar cost average the dips” (even if you don’t!). Remember: “Never go FULL retard”.

TrustInNumbers

Did it take 10 years for you to realize this? Only BTC is store of value, other coins are pure ponzi

Visual_End26

I hold 10 BTC od 2013. I don't think I'm cooked.

artniSintra

Just bought 0.000001 BTC, lets gooooo

Useful-Amphibian4841

I really believe that now, I realise holding BTC long term is insane. ...but maybe that just means this is the true bottom. Okay I'm going to buy some more tonight.

youlookfine_1984

Anyone who thinks Trump would have wanted to do anything for any cause other than himself and his corrupt cronies clearly has below-average judgment. And the assessment of the current BTC price is also below average. From a purely technical perspective, this is the first test of the 200-day moving average from above. On the monthly chart, a higher low could now form at the support level. And here’s another point: the more clueless BTC holders grow impatient and get cold feet, the closer we are to the lows. And one more thing: BTC has become so mainstream and is now driven by large institutional investors during periods of low liquidity that massive growth spurts like those seen in the past are less likely.

iwakan

And also short BTC and be guaranteed money

One_General4348

Long post but comes from your heart and experience.. BTC is now in the federal reserve in the new Financial system.. hang in there 🙏🙏

Itur_ad_Astra

Remember, panic for BTC holders has not set in.

Present-Pop-6791

Read some of the post. You have upside targets but based on your past emotional behaviour, if BTC goes below 50K by EoY you’ll probably sell at a loss (doing exactly as you always did). Also, if you’ve been in BTC since 2013 you really should have made money by now. Not saying 70K is a bad buy area but you don’t seem to have the mentality and liquidity to make it😔

Successful_Ad_380

Your buying power in fiat terms will decrease whether or not you buy BTC. BTC is capped at 21M. Take the risk.

hodler1992

All in BTC, I leave no cash

SexHarassmentPanda

There are cycles, but they are pushed by global events. Elections being a big one. It's not some like magical infallible almanac or something. Things are uncertain before elections so markets turtle. Once things have a clear vision after an election things become more bullish, pending stupid government actions. So yes, there are hot/cold periods in markets that tend to follow a trend but when it comes to crypto it's basically just 1 product, BTC, with Ethereum being slightly relevant. No one outside the crypto bubble gives a shit about any of the others. In that sense the overall stock market might follow along a cycle but like AMD stock itseld as a small piece of that market still heavily depends on specific interest in that part of the market, their performance, etc. Crypto overall has lost interest from a few years ago, it's burned a lot of people, it's become more synonymous with scam than "digital gold" or anything positive. We are in what tends to be a bit of a cold trend period but there's no guarantee the hot period will see anywhere near the same enthusiasm as the last time. So cycles do exist, but it's stupid when people become beholden to stuff like "Jan of year 2 of the cycle is most likely when things move up" like it's some specific script. Also I just personally don't think ultra low interest rates are coming back any time soon, that's only been a norm of recent times. Perhaps the global economy itself has a larger cycle and that is headed for a colder period overall.

Mariahausfrau

BTC was saved on floppy disk and Trump found it...were fu...d

NHLBigFan

It's OK. Narrative and outlook will change as soon as another green dildo will bring BTC back to 80K <

Malavero

Honestly, I think we’re all completely fuckd. Everything is falling: the S&P, QQQ, Nasdaq, gold and BTC. Macro and micro data from the U.S. are coming in poor. There is war everywhere, and the possibility of a recession in the U.S...slim, perhaps, but it exists. Anyways, keep stacking sats.

WakingUpBlind

Nobody knows. If you believe in BTC, invest. If not, divest.

don_kruger

I sit down in a quiet space and reassess BTC vs fiat. BTC wins ideologically, logically, spiritually and philosophically every f%cking time. It is superior money and LLMs will eventually choose BTC over fiat in the next decade.

ZealousidealTap9756

Shout out to diamond hands out there. DCAing BTC now

Mobile_Orange_5971

I did it. First whole BTC!! I keep on DCA, next stop 2. or ten. Whatever, I am proud

Reality_2FA

IA + QUANTIQUE : NSA - CIA , hack massif en douce de plusieurs wallet BTC anciens, l'Iran n'utilise plus le BTC, c'est bientôt fini pour de vrai.

Feralz2

you are so dense you missed the whole point of this conversation, the point was whether BTC was going to be relevant or will still be used as a currency, then you yapped for 3 conversations on how pedantic you are.

Charmington1111

I just saw a post about a dad telling his son he has 500 BTC. Might want to check in with your Dad bro.

vortexcortex21

" For anyone that has been in the game long enough knows that crypto and BTC follow 4-year cycles" Everyone that has a brain knows that this is bullshit. Bitcoin exists for barely more than 16 years although the early years barely even count. So Bitcoin has had, at best 3 4-year cycles. No one with a brain would try to interpolate a pattern from 3 observations.

SatoshiBlockamoto

The lesson here should be too not buy at the cyclical tops. You people always look back and proceed from the premise of someone doing the absolute worst thing. If you converted absolutely all your assets to BTC 5 years ago at the absolute ATH peak - yes you made a mistake. I, and lots of other folks, didn't buy at $65k. I waited until it fell below $40k and then kept buying all the way down to $15k. I'm feeling pretty good about my choices. But yes, I suppose if I spent all my capital to buy a volatile asset at its all time high I would feel pretty dumb to not have just bought S&P instead. 🙄

Men-Ahim

Good luck trying to buy food at a local store with BTC in case of world conflict. But to be fare, stocks and index funds will not be worth a lot either

Feralz2

Bro you dont even understand what you posted, look how BTC went below that line almost every single time in all bear markets.

LeVraiMidian

FED's gonna rise rates probably at least twice, risky assets are crashing as a result. As of 2026, BTC still acts as a risky asset.

VendettaKarma

Crypto is over. BTC under 50k I might think about it otherwise it’s cooked

Ok_Independence_9917

Exactly. When the US Treasury decides to print 3 trillion dollars then it devalues the currency. Bitcoin is similar to gold, in that, the supply is limited. So when more money is printed then BTC gets more expensive since more can't be printed. I see BTC as a hedge against inflation averaged across many nations since it is international. Once Bitcoin has fully mainstreamed then it's going to be a fairly boring asset. But it should always have an ascending value at that point. Even more so than gold.

Telemetris

Im in a similar spot. But with $8k. My avg is .19. Im gonna buy another $1000 soon while its dirt cheap. When bitcoin starts to move up again, we will collect our riches. So the real Q is, will BTC ever go up again?

jgarcya

BTC is only down 50% from its ATH.... In a year four decline period which is usually between a 70-80% decline and people are saying it's dead.😆😆😆 I'm still waiting for the extra 20% decline... Come on baby... Buying when there is blood in the streets.

Original-Read-6475

This daily discussion seems to be just the same 3 or 4 people making cringe doomer comments every day, every hour. Are these people bots or really these people have nothing better to do? If you're so bearish, then shouldn't you be shorting the living hell out of BTC and be sitting here with a big smile and a million dollars?

Then-Feedback7751

TBF 40k is still a hurr durr position regardless of btc pulling back aggressively from 87k. It's regarded to entertain these sorts of numbers until BTC falls another 10k and then closes below the July low. And even then...massive support at 50-48k to break through to open the door to 40k.

BorgSympathizer

BTC is kill 🥀

fastfatdrops

BTC 67 ....atm

Particular-Edge-7666

Nothing really, the world is having some issues though...several... BTC is fine. Get it while you can

MontrealGameDev

Respectfully disagree. I think BTC hits 1M in our lifetime. I detail the reasons in the article above. TLDR not enough bitcoins for everyone, the faucet about to go dry, high inflation, impossible to manipulate long term

Mandoo_gg

Why none of you fail, continuosly, repeatedly to TAKE PROFITS. "You'd only be up 7% 😭😭" Are you getting paid dividends on BTC? Fucken sell it when in profit FFS!

fastfatdrops

I read the first 20% of your prose and my eyes hurt - I wished I could zoom in on Reddit. I am sure your BTC experience has been a wild ride. Its definitely a very personal attachment to an asset amidst all the reolving hype. Buy the coin void of emotions, expectations & noise - now this is hardest call-to-action by most. Now, 100% of savings into BTC. Roger that. Check back in 90 days....I am sure BTC is ready to fly.

Bluejumprabbit

Over six red weeks funding is what quietly ate the returns, every 8 hours a net long position pays it whether the call was right or not. Boros has BTC funding markets live now at around 75% of onchain funding OI, so you can short that funding stream and keep the directional bet separate.

Alexander-305

Checked just now (around 9:20 PM ET on Nov 13): BTC is sitting near $68.2K, and the 24h range on CoinGecko is roughly $67.8K to $70.8K, so we're hugging the bottom of it. Fear & Greed reads 33, which is fear but not the extreme-fear reading you usually see at real capitulation lows. A drop like this tends to be more about leverage getting flushed than long-term holders leaving, so I'd watch whether the $67.8K area holds on a retest before reading too much into the headlines.

Always_working_hardd

So BTC good?

IndependentSpeck

Great question. I think it serves as a warning we shouldn't get cocky. Anything can be hacked, it just so happens that Bitcoin is kind of hard to hack. If it gets hacked, we all lose big time. We should be focusing on making sure that AI strengthens the network and not compromises it. To do that, the devs will hopefully be careful and meticulous to find and fix anything that could be exploited. Other than that, the hopium is that it's completely fine and BTC will continue to be a great store of value. Just because NVidia is doing terrible, that doesn't necessarily condemn Bitcoin. Some will say 'tick tock next block' and I hope that they are right, and that BTC is a honey badger that doesn't give a $#&@

megafari

1st, Choose an entry during bear market bottom or somewhere thereabouts. There are some good rules of thumb for when this is not dyor. Ride bitcoin up until Q4 of a post election year. Then “sell,” or convert to a stable coin in/around Q4 of post election year. Doesn’t have to be exact, just have to try to retain most of the profits you made since you bought in during bear market. Should still be some juicy gains. Now sit on sidelines w more dry powder than you started with the last cycle, either waiting for BTC’s eventual rise again or investing in other assets while you wait.

MontrealGameDev

Sure! TLDR THe bitcoin fall is expected and basically manipulation, matter of time until BTC soars. I have a 345k sell target personally, in 2029.

MrSamsaMcFly

Hope it's not the case, but I feel that he problem with this is: I assume you had 6 or 7 reasons you thought were good reasons to buy BTC when you bought it previously, and then had to sell for big losses or after big drawdowns. What makes this round of reasoning more sound?

Generalkleist

Earning interest on my BTC.

MackinCeleBrini

It's stupid for investments in business and the economy... to not incorporate assumptions about value of assets post WW3? You should probably sell BTC and buy equipment to make extra rounds for your rifles, if you want to do well after WW3.

fenrier626

Wait for the confirmation of that guy w/ .00000001BTC selling

Jake777_Agar

Okay, since you’re practically begging me to, if BTC bounces next week to the level I want then I’ll short MSTR with 5x leverage

mozy-rama

Yep! Agreed. From Fundamentals aspect.. Interest rate is expected on December 9. 90%+ probability of it happening. Interest rate hike is completely bearish for a "risk on" assets like BTC. From Technical Analysis aspect, BTC is currently testing the 200 week SMA. A drop below $68k and bulls are completely done. If BTC trades sideways from $60-68k until 1 week death cross is formed (expected mid-to-end of Dec), expect a drop even further. Hoping BTC stays above $68k, but we both know what is going to happen. Cheers!!

Rock_Strongo

BTC is up 9000% in the last 10 years, and only 5% in the last 5 years. Whether that's good or bad dramatically depends on when you bought.

OliveLegitimate3236

I am heating the apartment in winter with little miners, it make sense to me cause I was going to pay anyway for the electricity. At least I get something out of it. When BTC takes a dive like now the less profitable miners turn off and hashing difficulty adjust accordingly hence I get more rewards for the same hashing. Canadian true north though, among the lowest electricity prices on earth probably.

TFSA_Gambler5134

No. I'm pointing out a scenario in which a BTC rally could happen to show how stupid OPs question is. Comparing returns for two different types of assets when they serve entirely different purposes is regarded

AbSphere

[Objectif BTC ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/s/8Y7xAwKffF)

Additional-Mud8745

Accumulate BTC

TFSA_Gambler5134

When BTC was $500 you were also one of the "keep dreaming" regards 🤣

-Vagabond

JP Morgan just released research that says BTC will beat everything including the S&P 500 over the next 10 years

PuttForDough

That’s push MSTR stock down, but don’t think that’d effect BTC unless MSTR had to dump a bunch for some reason following that news

AriesThef0x

I think the more interesting number would be to se if we go sub 58k. Obviously over -50% is still wild for an investment, but it’s a significant improvement for BTC compared to previous crashes.

MF_Price

People are trying to sell more than people are trying to buy. The amount of BTC on either side of the trade is what matters, not the number of people transacting. One person selling 100 BTC is the same as 1000 people selling 0.1 BTC.

J0e_N0b0dy_000

Mining giants like **MARA, Riot Platforms, Core Scientific, Hyperscale Data, and Bitdeer** have been liquidating massive portions of their Bitcoin treasuries (and selling nearly all newly mined BTC) to fund their AI pivots. This is the at least in part the cause of the current downturn, i'm not saying the "sky is falling" i'm saying why the current price drop, look at my moon guy, you think i'm that stupid!! get a clue before you rebuke people

MobilePenguins

The fundamentals of Bitcoin have not changed. The core system of 21,000,000 BTC max, mined with increasingly more compute power, as an inflation proof asset that is decentralized has not changed.

catjewsus

Keep in mind BTC also hit an ATH within the last year so yeah it will probably do the same again

iLikeEggzzzzz

It's actually my BTC average cost haha

No_South_9912

Seems like BTC likes crashing overnight lately. HODL or sell now so you can buy back later at a better price later?

TFSA_Gambler5134

When the global conflict escalates into WW3 and institutions start freezing the flow of fiat currencies and BTC increases dramatically while stocks take a fat dump you reddit regards will be asking "wHy Do PeOpLe InVeSt In StOcKs, BTC hAs DoNe So WeLl"

tlinko69

The fact you can get BTC at a gas station in the US - it’s being adopted, be sure of that!

NHLBigFan

In April I surely wouldn't be confident that BTC doesn't go below 70K. However, honestly I didn't expect it to happen in November after August-September rally. Now we are at 68K which is only 10K higher than 2026 low.

LiveNLearn3

When you understand that the market works off of liquidity (I’m talking billions of dollars) it’s pretty simple why BTC can reach $0. It’ll take years tho

Interesting_Loss_907

Not even sure if this is a serious post? If you need to have the money by June, why would you even consider investing in a highly volatile asset? That’s a very short term timeframe. Also, if you did have a game, you would be subject to the higher short-term capital gains because you held for less than a year. Nothing about this would make sense given what you said. And when you refer to “crypto“ as if you’re considering alt coins, those would be even more volatile, and quite a bit more likely for you to lose money then if you stick with BTC, which is the gold standard.

Scottex99

Nobody reading all that But you had to sell because you were over leveraged and had no liquidity in the form of cash If you’ve truly just blasted all your savings, then you’re in the same boat again That being said, I’m super bullish BTC and been buying BTC since 2017 So umm GL

FoxNecessary2412

He used to play pickup in chicago when I was in college at DePaul, forget strike/BTC the man can hoop. Real shifty guard

Alexander-305

Agree with the point above about watching funding and OI more than price. Snapshot as of about 5:25 PM ET: BTC perp funding is around +0.011% per 8h on BloFin and +0.008% on Bitunix (we partner with both, I'm just using their public data). So funding is back near the normal positive baseline, not negative. BloFin BTC open interest is about 4,640 BTC, down roughly 3% from about 4,800 this morning, while price only slipped from about 68.7k to 68.2k. So some leverage is still coming off, but shorts aren't crowded yet. Relief squeezes tend to come after funding flips negative. If price tests the August area with funding going negative and OI still falling, that looks more like a flush finishing than fresh selling. Not financial advice.

Character-Most1941

100%. I believe BTC so much I use a 200 day SMA strategy and buy 2x leveraged bitcoin which I sell out of if it’s under that signal only trading once a month to protect against complete wipe out, but using testfolio to backtest this, you’re looking at like 100%+ CAGR over multi year stretches it’s insane.

bluechipitems

Truth be told...if you bought the amount of BTC= cost of GTA 6 in 2012...you'd still be rich rich

aeon_kn

In my opinion TradFi took control with the ETFs to sync BTC's price action to the stock market. Or what has BTC to do with the step down of the CEO of a high valued company? All what happens recently is liquidating leverage in combination with sell pressure from miner and inpatient investors. Persist forever

AdSpiritual1033

BTC is on sale!

Consistent-Stage-217

You can sell your ass. Then get BTC.

Opening-Resident4866

Life is happening to BTC. Welcome to it.

Wide_Financial

You don't know that. If it can go to $100k by EOY it can go to $40k as well. Been in BTC long enough to know anything can happen and no one knows shit.

No_Guidance_9063

Well, since the SEC institutionalized BTC with ETFs, I’d say Wall Street is now the house. It used to be the Whales, but with large brokerages selling BTC ETF, BTC tracks with the NASDAQ now. Just my opinion.