BTC

Over-Cardiologist769

BTC, Eth, XRP, Sol

Cotee

Buy BTC. Hold BTC. That’s it. If it’s up a lot from where you bought it, sell some. If it’s below the price you bought it, hold it. I’ve never lost money on BTC. I’ve been down on BTC but in my 6 years, it’s always come back around no matter what craziness goes on around it.

Queggie

Longterm 1-2% BTC and maybe little bit ETH nothing els.

skysafe

Buy a home 100% full ownership. Keep 1 BTC to retire on, and use my full time job to maintain the house and lifestyle 🫡

NoParamedic7831

Only one has any value, and it's BTC. The point is secure value exchange without the need for a trusted third party. It uses enormous amounts of computational energy to do so, and is by far the most powerful computer network in the world. The rest of it is trash. Especially ETH

blaziken8x

Buy consistently (BTC), and leave it alone. The more you touch it and fiddle with it, the bigger the chance of losing it. People with best returns on investment are those who are dead and people with second best returns those who forgot the password to their investing account.

Ok-Painting-9632

I’ve been in crypto since 2014 and people buying and selling bitcoin is as predictable as a clock. Has been this way now since 2012 and four cycles based around its halving cycle: halving in 2012 followed by bull market in 2013. Bear markets 2014 and 2015. Halving 2016 followed by bull market 2017. Bear market 2018 and 2019. Halving 2020 followed by bull market 2021. Bear market 2022 and 2023. Halving 2024 followed by bull market 2025. Bear market 2026 and probably 2027 will continue somewhat lackluster. Next halving is 2028. I’d be absolutely shocked if there wasn’t a bull market 2029. In fact, people started buying early 2020 to prepare for the halving that year and the subsequent bull market in 2021. The clock cycle is: halving every four years with the next year after the halving year being the bull market, however need to get out around the 4th quarter of that bull market year. Wait four years and repeat. Now the returns have been getting lower with each bull market. I’d expect maybe only 100% to 200% increase in price from whatever the price is in 2028 at its next halving to the peak of the bull market in 2029. Earlier cycles had massive returns: 2017 bull market for BTC was 44x from halving 2016 to December 2017 which was the peak of that cycle. In 2020 halving, price was $10k and peaked at $69k in 2021, so only 7x. 2024 halving price was $70k followed by 2025 peak at $125k, so not even 2x. The days of massive BTC gains are long gone for investors if you bought recently. Those of us who got in a decade ago have done ok ;)

FitCompetition1804

Same. Then il figure out what I’ll do then as I’m sure a lot of things will change by then. Unfortunately I just started stacking this year in February and only have 17 years until retirement. Luckily I have other retirement accounts building as well, but I’ve focused very hard on stacking BTC this year to take advantage of a favorable entry price. After next year, I don’t think we will see sub $100k BTC again.

Videoplushair

Question as I’m a real novice here. How is it decentralized when a handful of super rich guys own most of the BTC?

Pale_Lifeguard_8911

DCA over next couple of months 80% SOL and 20% BTC if you're very young and can afford the risk (that's exactly what I'm doing rn except I got more money to invest into crypto and it's only about 15% of my total NW)

Remarkable_Ad5011

When my BTC account value and mortgage balance intersect I’m cashing out and paying it off.

blade0r

For example, with GoMining platform you can use a Crypto Card connected to your wallet and the gobtc (pay with BTC) service. They are heavily pushing towards Bitcoin usage, if you’re not a simple HODLER.

Secure-Jelly-3802

The wallet to wallet transfer is easy. The important part is buying a sizable amount of BTC in India without violating any rules.

JohnNumber1

Holding Eth, BTC & XRP, believe all will improve in time, patience is the key. No rocket science required.

MonthlyWeekend_

I feel like this really isn’t real but if it is, you need multiple addresses for multiple coins. The most common payments will be in BTC obviously, but also transfer coins like XRP, LTC, SOL…. The list goes on. The best thing to do is to open an account with an exchange he like Binance or KuCoin, because it will come with an address for every coin and token. Your John will tell you the currency he has, you give him the address, he pays you. You can then on the exchange, exchange the coin for whatever you prefer and then transfer it out to a wallet or just leave it there on a finance program. If you want to transfer it out to fiat then that’s very specific to your country and you’ll need to give more detail.

hodler1992

Klar, helfe gerne weiter. Habe eine Cryptowallet für dich erstellt. Die kannst du nutzen. Schicke dir die Infos gleich per DM. Die kannst du deinen Kunden dann nennen und sie zahlen ihr BTC dann auf diese Adresse ein. Ist komplett safe und anonym.

Random_182f2565

The main thing for the is that The supply of BTC is finite, but they keep printing new money devaluing the existing one

K42st

You don’t need it until you do, there hasn’t been a point yet when needing BTC is not optional anymore, the underlying rules will make it the favoured option when all trust has gone in what you rely upon today!

CH_patron

These comments here are peak stupidity 🤣 you will make a 5x with most alts. Not with fking BTC and ETH. I remember in 2020 this was a serious crypto sub. Now its just clowns yapping

Michael-Ryder

That’s a pretty aggressive portfolio for a “new bull run” setup. Curious why you went this heavy into smaller caps and skipped BTC/ETH completely — is the plan to rotate profits later or hold these through the whole cycle?

LoveVibez

After being in it hard since 2018 - I'm this way too. I've experienced everything and come to the conclusion just get BTC and hold it. I had 75k worth of Polygon and 150k worth of Chainlink at the height of 2020/21. I had 3.5btc and 43eth - I was living on cloud 9 making over 1k a week from APY thinking if this keeps up I'll be a millionaire and be able to retire early. The Celsius/Blockfi (sam bankman-fried scandle) and the domino affect literally destroyed me. I was in about 15 solid projects and 15 random ones but I was never say into DOGE category or worse speculation/hype bubbles - I thought I was smart but chaos got me margin called on loans, the bankruptcies wiped me out and I'm still to this day getting some back. I'm 100% BTC and it sucks that I'm that salty but it's the reality I've come to adapt to for me personally.

DePraelen

It's not like I'm saying it's going to drive crypto to the moon or anything. I do agree that I put that badly though, the spikes I'm referring were probably far more about speculation on response to the news of Iran charging the toll in BTC than actual trading volume.

quintavious_danilo

Nice shitcoin collection. If you’re lucky, the upcoming BTC bullrun is going to lift them up a bit. You probably timed this not too badly. I would never fuck with shitcoins like that but it seems you’ll be on the lucky side for now. Don’t forget to sell! That’s not a portfolio you want to hold on to.

Roadrunner44143

I don’t believe in another alt coin bull run. Maybe BTC ETH and a few other will see a bull run again but that’s about it

CG-Saviour878879

You have separare BTC and ETH accounts?

HudsonDan517

This is the kind of Bitcoin conviction that completely ignores every other life metric😂 Owning 1 BTC is impressive, but ideally the goal is still Bitcoin + a house + a job + decent sleep.

HudsonDan517

With a portfolio this small, I would focus less on trying to maximize growth quickly and more on learning while keeping risk controlled. BTC and maybe one other assets are enough to start; spreading £80 across too many coins usually just makes it harder to track what you actually own and why.

nz_djlo

Thanks mate. Focused and planning on getting back up to 1BTC.

tenor_tymir

File a police report but that’s about all you can do. You will not get your BTC back though. Don’t talk to any scammers via private message. There is no way anyone can recover your stolen funds, they just want to steal even more from you. Quit being an easy target, get your act together and never do anything money related unfocused or intoxicated.

Hot-Efficiency7190

BTC, HYPE, maybe ZEC. Deploy everything in the next 4-6 weeks. This is the simpliest trade right now as this is the cycle bottom.

nz_djlo

You ever lost 1.5BTC because you were an idiot and just too fucking embarrassed to post about it? And no, I’m not using the same wallet to receive btc. That’s ridiculous to even suggest. The only reason I’m not more upset is because this BTC probably cost me NZ$20k from 2012/2013. So technically, it’s not a huge loss. But yeah, I’m upset, but still healthy. Have a great family and both my parents are still around.

Efficient_Range1156

Life changing amount of BTC right there.

Drizznarte

Bitcoin not crypto . There has never been a store of value before ! Fiat money will inflate. Most of what people think is crypto, like teather or other stable coins aren't. No blockchain , not crypto , no concencus mechanism , not crypto . Just look at BTC market cap over time

Digital_Brainfuck

Intention: Decentralized money system Outcome: MoneeeeeeyZ So all the same since BTC had its first spike

heisthemaincharacter

I already own a full BTC. MSTR was the leveraged trade. I bought it in the low 80s because when BTC rips, MSTR tends to rip harder. You really thought you had a gotcha here.

spacehodler

I have BTC as a pillar of my portfolio and invest in select memecoins that fulfil strict criteria for distribution, holder metrics etc. The btc component was sitting at 80% but has dropped to 50 ish after the last move up which I believe is the first move out of the bear market.

SpartanKing76

At the very beginning there was a plausible case for decentralising currency and having a system that wasn’t at the whim of central banks and fiscal policies. Unfortunately, that has not and will not ever work. Using crypto to pay for things is a mess, it’s all unsafe and the value of it is at the whim of whales - rather than fiscal policy. Therefore it’s much more dangerous and unstable. Generally speaking crypto became a speculative asset for people wanting to get rich quick or for scammers to pump and dump. The meteoric rise of BTC in the early days really did create generational wealth for some people but those were the lucky few who were in early and held on when BTC flew. Everyone else wants a piece of that action but that’s gone now and will never happen again. Sure your BTC might got from 60k to 100k but that’s not generational wealth territory - that’s just a gain. Now lots of people are cultish invested in the dream and refuse to believe the reality, or they’re bag holding, have sunken cost phobia or just have some crypto as a small part of their portfolio. At some point most of crypto will go the way of NFT.

SanHoloist

Honestly no but seeing the latest developments I do think BTC is gonna be pretty volatile. You can never really predict where it’s gonna end up so why not focus on the volatility and ride the wave instead, amiright? I’m not touching spot right now but still trading the volatility through a spot BTC CFD on Libertex. Just my personal suggestion but there are no overnight swap fees on the BTC CFD so holding through the chop doesn’t keep bleeding you on fees lol

PeaceSalt8172

All-in Solana oder sogar nen Memecoin. Wenn ichs wirklich sicher bräuchte dann BTC, aber dann würd ichs wsl sogar nicht in Krypto sondern in nen ETF stecken.

magicseadog

9000 in BTC 100 zec 100 link 100 sol 100 jul 100 pump 100 hype 100 lit 100 near 100 eth 100 fartcoin

Samsara_is_pain84k

Scam people that believe they're investing early in the next great thing. I would bet the vast majority of people have lost some and probably a lot of money in crypto. Especially in the last six years. The bs influencers have been claiming BTC will end the year at $100K since 2020. ETH at $5K.

ubermensch1001

BTC just needs to do a little over a 50% upwards movement from here to set a new all time high.

ubermensch1001

I'm more of a BTC maxi, man, don't need to be overcomplicating things by messing around with defi protocols.

dLoneRanger

Bitcoin hitting 1Million usd is a generational wealth for me someone living in Asia. Will sell BTC monthly according to my retirement needs

Maverick341985

Wo denkst du ist das nächste Hoch im BTC?

hodler1992

Why don't you credit against your BTC to use that liquidity to invest in other things?

tourbladez

Mostly BTC....and maybe a little in ETH and HYPE

PoolPr0blem

All in BTC 🧡

trashtv

0.01 BTC won't change my life, but it might just change yours. Keep it up!

Illustrious-Egg7514

I have invested recently into crypto and can tell you how I did invest, no hypotheticals. Assets purchased, IBIT MSTR ASST BTCI BITA, the first BTC exposure, the next 2 high octane BTC, the last 2 BTC income. Allocations roughly 40% IBIT 20% each MSTR BTCI BITA and a small ASST %. Not interested in alts at all…getting both BTC growth and income.

fberbert

My plan is never to sell. When I need money, I use the asset as collateral and take out a loan. I also have no intention of ever paying off the debt. Let it grow there, around 5% a year. Over time, the collateral tends to drift further and further away from the debt. When my heirs inherit my BTC, they'll settle the debt then, and with the remaining collateral, they can split it among themselves.

Tastyjams8

Man, this is scary to see. I just started accumulating BTC to my cashapp, and im counting on that money for side income.  To see that Cashapp can just ban your account is worrisome. 

Euphoric_Coat_1956

The only correct and is BTC

Dangerous_Heart_7777

The exact timeline and issue on the [Blockstream Explorer](https://blockstream.info/) reveal what happened: 1. The Address Started with a Balance Before the transaction you shared, this address received exactly **0.00489635 BTC** from a previous transaction. At that short moment, it had a positive balance. \[[1](https://mempool.space/tx/1ff8742b770f75fd16310f63033c74867278c4e6ba1b5891df7b42222e4aebc7?mode=details)\] 2. The Shared Transaction Completely Emptied It The transaction you linked (`1ff8742b770f75fd16310f63033c74867278c4e6ba1b5891df7b42222e4aebc7`) shows that **this address was used as the Input**. It took that entire 0.00489635 BTC balance and spent it. \[[1](https://mempool.space/tx/1ff8742b770f75fd16310f63033c74867278c4e6ba1b5891df7b42222e4aebc7?mode=details)\] 3. Where Did the Money Go? Instead of sending standard Bitcoin to a new address, the transaction had only **one output: an** `OP_RETURN`**script** containing a data payload (`OP_RETURN v3b`). \[[1](https://mempool.space/tx/1ff8742b770f75fd16310f63033c74867278c4e6ba1b5891df7b42222e4aebc7?mode=details)\] * Because `OP_RETURN` destroys the spendable value of the Bitcoin used to create it, **the entire 0.00489635 BTC was permanently burned and paid out to the network miners as a massive transaction fee.** * No standard Bitcoin address received any funds from this transaction. \[[1](https://mempool.space/tx/1ff8742b770f75fd16310f63033c74867278c4e6ba1b5891df7b42222e4aebc7?mode=details)\] Summary of the Issue The sender **drained the address to zero** by creating a data transaction that effectively threw the Bitcoin away into mining fees. This is either a critical user error on their end (using a broken wallet or an experimental protocol incorrectly) or an intentional scam to show you a "valid transaction ID" that holds no actual money.\[[1](https://mempool.space/tx/1ff8742b770f75fd16310f63033c74867278c4e6ba1b5891df7b42222e4aebc7?mode=details)\] 1. The Core Mistake: Total Fee Destruction In a standard Bitcoin transaction, the formula is: \\(\\text{Inputs}-\\text{Outputs}=\\text{Miner\\ Fee}\\) * **What the sender put in (Input):** `0.00489635 BTC` (from address `bc1qn3...`) * **What the sender designated to go to a recipient (Output):** `0 BTC` (assigned to the `OP_RETURN` script) * **The Result:** Because the sender did not specify a normal Bitcoin address or a "change address" to return the remaining funds to themselves, the entire remainder was automatically swallowed by the network. **The entire 0.00489635 BTC was paid out as a single massive transaction fee** to the miner who validated block 955498

MF_Price

34% BTC, 33% BTC 3 weeks from now, 33% BTC 6 weeks from now.

feng_sg

TFSA room carries forward every year so you're not losing it by buying BTC now instead. You can always fill that space later.

Distdistdist

https://preview.redd.it/wurh53ssfmnh1.png?width=656&format=png&auto=webp&s=d8d3ba6218ae6e68f20ffc6661ff79214c53ed04 Depends when you bought it and when you sold it. But BTC been doing pretty well all things considered...

cjarguello

I'd gladly sell 2 solana shitcoins to you, but unfortunately then I'd end up with 9,900% more shitcoins. How about you send me 0.002558 BTC and I'll send you 2 SOL? Then we both get what we want and it's the current fair market price for each.

LionRivr

All non-BTC projects are all start-ups or outright scams. Most of those startups have already failed. And many are already failing. None of them to my knowledge have an active, legitimate, real world mainstream use-case that isn’t a small niche. Someone change my mind.

NMoney007

Not financial advice, but let me share my data. I built a 30-factor scoring system (on-chain activity, tokenomics, liquidity, whale flows, etc.) that grades 1,000 coins — here's how your list reads on it right now: Your current holds all score in the top tier: BTC 76, ETH 78, SOL 81, LINK 77. Solid and defensible — which is a compliment. On your two candidates: ZCash grades 78 — same tier as your majors — and it's been one of the strongest upward movers in my data for weeks (score climbed from \~61 while the price ran; privacy sector's been quietly leading). Hyperliquid grades 68 — good, not elite; strong on liquidity and usage, weaker on tokenomics-type factors.

Big80sweens

The median human on earth today is worth about $8,600 USD, which would put BTC around $3.3M if you took this relative to 21M bitcoin and a global population of 8B people… interesting

BoshansStudios

BTC is my long term store of value.

Electronic_Quote399

If i HAD to put it all into crypto? Right now I would go with defensive plays and go about 40% BTC, 20% BNB. And i would split the other 40% between eth and sol. BNB and BTC are pretty stable and should survive a crash, sol and eth to catch that explosive upside if things keep going this direction. What I would really do right now, if I had no bags, I would be keeping about 60% of that in cash or gold, and skip the BNB, and just grab btc, eth, sol.

5khan1

How's the buyers feedback?  If the BTC is still in escrow and your evidence clearly shows the package arriving, you opening it, and the bills being fake, I’d think you have a pretty strong dispute.

PotentTurnip

I look at BTC (almost) the same way I do my other investments. I don't want to have to work all the way through to my grave. I want to leave enough for my sole child. While I've gotten older, I have come to love watching everything grow, I also don't want to have broken my back to save just to die never having enjoyed the spoils.

ClerkPrestigious7395

I used to think crypto was an investable asset (bought $2k of ETH @ $40). For the past 6 years I've moved to trading. Other then BTC or ETH, I don't think that any crypto is worth a long term investment. Step back and take a 10,000 foot view. If there was a legit use case for it, would it not already be in place by now? Aside from "some obscure bank is doing a test run"? Crypto's been around long enough to go through a few bull/bear cycles. It still isn't being used as an everyday asset or tool outside of the crypto industry. It's like financial navel gazing. That's why I've switched to leveraged trading. As long as it's volatile I can make money long or short. I don't care about any narrative or the technology. Other than BTC or ETH, I don't have any idea what any of the crypto that I trade in does.

ShittingOutPosts

100% BTC.

versace_dinner

Pay for my meal with BTC

Xennenial

I didn't understand it either, lol. My coworker who used to work for a hedge fund explained it to me. They buy back the shares when they are undervalued and cheap (MNAV below 1) and issue the shares to raise cash when they are overvalued (MNAV above 1). If they need cash when MNAV is below 1, they sell BTC instead of issuing more shares. It has worked through 2 bull runs and 2 bear markets so far. I question whether this is the most genius financial strategy ever, or if this is a bubble destined to burst. Time will tell I guess.

ElephantEarTag

85% BTC 15% ETH Ditch everything else.

jacd03

100% BTC. Buy 25% on September, 25% October, 25% November and 25% December.

jacd03

Mostly hold BTC long term, then small bags of ETH and SOL. Then 5% on coins like HYPER, SUI, TAO, etc. that i hold for 1 cycle at the time.

Ok_Rent_2937

I accumulated 3.5 BTC from 2021 to 2025 at cost basis of $55k per BTC. Sold 0.5 BTC in late 2025. Then being editing patiently for the bear market to get over. Plan to resume selling $40k worth of bitcoin every year, as long as price is higher than $100k.

particlecore

Nowhere, wait till fear and greed drops to below 20 then buy BTC.

TattooedCFO

HODL until we talk about the value of BTC by the Sat

PeteyPab305

Was I saying something different? If you did actually buy and sell BTC by speculating bottoms and tops, your very lucky, because even if you had began buying using DCA on a weekly or bi-weekly basis you would still be in profit rn from 120k top all you have to do to prove that is see the calculator - [https://charts.bitbo.io/dca/](https://charts.bitbo.io/dca/) DCA proves that incrementally buying a high-beta asset through drawdowns yields a positive ROI. While a lump sum timed at major support yields a higher multiple, systematic accumulation removes timing risk and consistently works. I have accumulated BTC since 2019 strictly via scheduled buys rather than lump sums, which built a deep-profit position. Trimming was unnecessary in hindsight given ongoing currency debasement and persistent inflation.

supertutti

The news is that there's no news and the price of BTC is literally not tied anything at all

NFTY_GIFTY

Eventually pay off all debt with the exception of our 2.25% mortgage balance with a rolling series of very low leverage BTC loans that allow us to live as we wish until my wife and I are gone. With no children and as some of the youngest members of our extended family we will likely have no heirs and our BTC will be removed from circulation permanently as our way of contributing back to the community.

DePraelen

There's been one major use case that's been happening this year - Iran has been accepting their tolls for the Strait of Hormuz in Bitcoin. Which is why we've seen price spikes happen during the war as corporations buy large amounts of BTC to pay it. Regardless of what you think of the US or Iran, in a Machiavellian sense this is pretty true to the original vision of crypto. Allowing them to operate and defend themselves outside the financial hegemony of the greenback.

Deez1putz

70% BTC, 15% ETH, 5% Hype, 5% zcash, 5% the new meta for the cycle (hint: it doesn’t exist yet).

KateR_H0l1day

I was up a lot last year, but just sold some rewards weekly for about 9 months, about $300/wee. But, it dropped below my pivot point, so I started accumulating again, and selling/trading TradFi, buying Crypto related coins and ETF Crypto related dividends, as I need income too. 2025 I paid taxes, both Capital Gains and Income on approximately $250K. But, my total holdings right now are down substantially, however I hold substantially more assets now than I did a year ago. So, I’m just waiting for BTC to go back up, it obviously fluctuates wildly!

Escapement_Watch

BTC eth sol link hype

nbnicholas

Goal for me has always been to have 1 BTC. I have friends who cashed out everything and sunk everything (including careers) into BTC. I’m at around 55% of my goal. $20/day DCA and will just see what happens. Not putting enough in to hurt the family if it’s all gone one day, but hedging on if it does increase. I spend $20-30 USD in BTC a month.

renba7

When I can buy a house with my BTC I’m out. Also, if I run out of fiat.

ruck_my_life

In the not too distant future, there will be two types of people: Those with BTC and those who work for them.

connotatius

Not touching spot right now but still trade the volatility on libertex with a spot BTC CFD, no overnight swap so holding through the chop doesnt bleed me on fees

NorthvilleGolf

Probably 2x and then sell my original investment and let the remainder for at least a 10+ years, or $500k BTC, whichever comes first.

Serenaded

People are TRIPPING if they think elites and market makers aren't pricing this in. Just understand this. It is not an IF it is a WHEN. This is probably partly the reason behind the major pivot to Ethereum in the past year. I wouldn't touch BTC as an investment anymore. They have no way to quantum-proof without completely fking satoshi's vision, so you know this chain is going to be a 2010s thing and leave it at that.

azblazer007

BTC maybe a little ETH if feeling adventurous

AstroBoyWunder

BTC, CRV and a little ZEC. IYKYK.

CoinRabbitFinance

Hey! I would separate the asset from what you do with it. Holding ETH, putting ETH into an LP, and looping ETH as collateral may start with the same coin, but they create completely different workloads and failure points. CoinRabbit is a straightforward example of that distinction: someone can simply hold BTC, or use the same BTC as collateral for liquidity. The second choice adds LTV and loan terms to manage even though the underlying asset has not changed. So yes, taxes and tracking matter, but I would also count how many contracts, bridges, reward tokens, and liquidation conditions each strategy adds.

Dizzy-Ad-6352

BTC ETH and Zcash

JMAN1249

I see a drop for BTC coming back to make $65k and then a MASSIVE rebound. I think this most recent move is a psych out of the bull run and the rebound will be the true bull market

NoFapLawyer

This is horrifying BUT as the price of BTC rises, this will probably increase with even more sophisticated phishing thanks to AI generation.

Grunblau

What I didn’t quite grasp is why BTC would plummet. I would have thought that it would see large inflows especially from anyone sitting on stable coins in DeFi.

slavikthedancer

\> nobody wants to spend an asset that is aggressively surging toward six figures on a cup of coffee or a meal when it could be worth 20% more next month Doesn't make sense. If someone so sure Bitcoin will grow so fast, he will exchange all his other "assets" to Bitcoin, especially the liquid fiat. But then, when he will want to take a coffee, he will have to spend BTC because it's the only ~~liquid asset~~ money he has at the moment. Or course, he may skip a coffee today, so to have two coffees tomorrow But that again is good for coffee sellers.

caploves1019

Welp, for starters.... Dump the shtcoins. Stick with the one and only Bitcoin BTC. The rest are scams.

xmrcache

XMR is definitely a lot more stable though.. Same with BTC.. ZEC is just pure gambling… was $50 a year ago you would have to be a straight degen/idiot to start putting money in now.

Crypto-Bets

In my opinion, XMR will probably continue to outperform ZEC longterm. XMR has had steady gains for its investors over the years, and I see that trend continuing. ZEC feels like more of a speculation bubble than hard currency like XMR/BTC. Crypto users don’t like spending ZEC either, I would be skeptical that ZEC can keep mooning.

-TrustyDwarf-

Well ANYcoin/BTC seems to go towards zero in the long run no matter if ZEC or XMR...