BTC

PMmeuroneweirdtrick

We'll see. If BTC doesn't maintain a 30% CAGR going forward then you won't get rich.

CourseDazzling9537

Wolf of All Street, BTC Sessions, Jack Mallers

oasc

I had the same issue a while back, ended up using BISQ and P2P exchanged BTC to XMR. Low fees, no KYC, and quite straightforward

1968C10

You give them the keys to your decoy wallet. They're now the proud owner of .008 BTC and 42 bucks worth of Toshi coin

Real-Masterpiece4686

At 100,000,000 satoshis per BTC… that comic really gets around 😂

jkl2035

We will make it, but it will be a bumpy road… wish more people would take this threat more serious, other projects are already further on that topic (already quantum secure), think the critical issue for BTC Willie to get consensus on how to handle the lost/Satoshis coins

FuckM0reFromR

The Hindenburg fire took my BTC =/

dmbveloveneto

You’re asking a question no one has an answer for, but BTC has a lot of longterm risks and increasing competition. It won’t survive without another hard fork, and so you’re betting on something that doesn’t exist yet. 

Real-Masterpiece4686

That’s a fair take. If fiat keeps inflating, being a millionaire won’t mean what it used to, while BTC holders are really just preserving purchasing power. The real difference might not be status, but who actually maintains buying power over time.

WarpDriveMH370

Y2K took my BTC

AgentSmith2077

No lawyers, I just went through the MTGox domain which the administrators repurposed to use for the rehabilitation process. It was a bit of a shit show really, they kept making you re-apply, answer things you had already answered, multiple different deadlines. I missed one, because I couldn't login in to the claims system on the deadline day, and the password reset wasn't working. At the time, they were saying you'd only get back a fraction of the Dollar value of the BTC at the price it was when the hack occurred, so it wasn't worth the effort at the time to try to contest it. Even today, using this calculator (https://blog.wizsec.jp/2021/02/mtgox-claim-calculator.html), it estimates, I'd only get back $39,000 USD (don't know if thats 2021 prices or current prices though). Not sure if it's worth pursuing. Luckily I'd transferred most of my BTC off MtGox before the hack, and only left a small amount on there to experiment with trading bots through their API, but that never happened.

reggionh

I’ll give you one example of risk pertinent to this case: OP losing his keys or got hacked/scammed out of his BTC.

6969101016969

They have bitcoin: yes, no doubs on that Venezuela has been stealing asic miners for years They have 600.000BTC?: Nah I don't think so Just keep this news like the shorinderg cat, they exist and doesn't exist at the same time. Until proven wrong, or in this scenario until those bitcoins are move in the Blockchain If we don't see anything like that move in the Blockchain, I don't believe any 💩

jkl2035

Exactly, for BTC there is a discussion ongoing (BIP360), same for other major projects

Cuddlingmuse

yes. 4 year cycle is real. now just wait BTC to be capitulated until 50-60k then maybe we start buying a little and look out for new narratives and farm some high profile protocols in the meantime

jkl2035

I‘m not a tech guy, but try to answer your question from my understanding. Take BTC for example - older generations of wallets are vulnerable (sometimes depending on if already a transaction is done, but consider that encryption of all wallets from Sathoshis age can be cracked by quantum Computer with approx 2k logical qbits), newer wallets are not vulnerable from my understanding as they user different public keys per transaction. So technically speaken an individual has to Transfer his BTC only to a new wallet to Secure his Assets from quantum threat. This leaves still the blockchain vulnerable, meaning encryption of the chain is not quantum Secure, the crucial Point is, if this is not changed the First one with a quantum Computer will Hack Satoshis wallets and market will Crash. So Migration is required, new chain with quantum Secure encryption Methods to be implemented and Assets to be Transfered to this chain. This Migration is the crucial Part imho, how to deal with the lost/Satoshis coins, proposals are available, to get consensus on that it will be a controversal discussion.

FnAardvark

Not that I'm doubting BTC will go to a million, but maybe find a more credible person to quote?

VariatCA

I recall reading a ton of comments like that back in April, as a bunch of geniuses bragged about selling BTC at 83-85k after the bounce from the month's low. Something about "dead cat bounce, we're still going down to 50k soon". Trying to swing-trade to scoop up percent-swings (even if you *aren't* getting destroyed by fees from the back & forth) is also a good way to get completely left in the dust.

Low-Equipment-2621

Depends mostly on how you secure your BTC or store your gold. They are both solid options, but I think the chances that some random dude is fucking up his BTC storage is higher than he fucking up his gold storage.

Itur_ad_Astra

Crypto is so absolutely dead that BTC Barts that used to last for a day or two now only last two or three minutes.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Speculation about Venezuela owning a large Bitcoin reserve, reportedly 600,000 BTC, lacks evidence. Blockchain forensics firms and experts have found no proof of a centralized government Bitcoin stockpile. While Venezuela has embraced crypto due to hyperinflation, with citizens using Bitcoin and stablecoins as a hedge and engaging in mining, the idea of a secret government Bitcoin treasury remains unverified. The country's crypto involvement is more fragmented and opportunistic rather than a deliberate accumulation of sovereign reserves. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

BlyG

Everything everyone has is fiat denominated. All the eggs. Except BTC.

FloppyButtholeJelly

Why do you need to heat water to mine BTC?

ZekeTarsim

If you look at the charts, BTC and ETH are still in a bullish trend. Almost every single other coin in existence was basically in a bear market for the past year.

DangerHighVoltage111

There are only around 2500 transactions per block. These few transactions do have to pay for all the hash BTC wants to have. For now, nobody is willing to pay these fees. BTCs fee market (that is actually an auction) has failed for now.

DJ_Ben_Frank

1. How is 1 BTC a small amount? 2. Why the fuck would you need an email or to involve Blockchain.com if you have the private key? Recover the yourself by importing the private key on literally any compatible bitcoin wallet.

Mental-Ad-1043

So you have all the information yet you still keep coming back as if you are proving me somehow wrong. So if the information that equals "total surveillance" comes from exchanges that has peoples taxpayer information (only from jurisdictions that has that law and ONLY from the period that crypto was purchased from said exchanges since KYC has come into effect that last few years) then please explain to me how that is TOTAL surveillance? They have surveillance on CEX's that abide by their laws in their regions, but that does not equal TOTAL surveillance over crypto. If you had BTC sitting in a wallet from 10 years ago they do not suddenly know who owns it. That is my point, yet you seem to be arguing that because a new law has come into effect that this is the case, which is just flat out incorrect. Yet you seem to persist with some admirable chest for someone not understanding the point.

pablo_in_blood

There are a lot of different scams people run, I can’t say exactly their plan, but anyone saying ‘oh I just have this small amount of 1 BTC that I can’t access’ is clearly running something. Could be something where they try to steal your identity/credentials in the process of ‘accessing’ their account. Could be something where they say ‘oh I need some small amount to verify my identity or do a test transaction, then we can split the BTC I get.’ Could be as simple as getting a conversation started with a vulnerable noob who gives up key info or money down the line. Either way the situation is a red flag the size of a building and everyone should stay away.

MakCapital

1. Unlocks are not new units increasing supply. These units already exist in the total supply count. They are generally actively traded in locked states, and considered when determining value of any chain or even company. 2. A cap to supply means nothing when the majority of L1s exist to produce revenue. You can have a *decreasing* total supply on a chain with no supply cap that infinitely prints new coins. 3. Emissions that increase total supply can be seen as negative inflation. Inflation that transfers value away from existing asset holders through dilution. **Unless**, emissions go back to the asset holders themselves. New emissions on a chain like Solana or Ethereum is *not* the same as inflation like USD experiences, because the emissions are sent to the staked asset holders themselves. If you are the one receiving the new emissions. You aren't being diluted. Unlike when USD gets printed. You, as a USD holder, won't receive that newly minted USD. 4. Bitcoin is different from the model of most chains. It exists as currency. You can not capture revenue by holding BTC. It does not act like a stock, does not target value capture and or try to transfer that value capture to base asset holders. It's max cap to supply is more meaningful because the asset literally does nothing but exist as a currency. There needs to be a cap or dilution for holders. 5. It's more important to understand supply dynamics than simply checking if something has a cap. Pretend Hyperliquid had no cap to supply and continued to inflate at 1% per year forever off initial supply count, but those emissions went back to HYPE stakers. **You**, as the HYPE stakers/long term holder, will receive that 1% inflation back in full. A net wash. At the same time, the chain is generating more in revenue which causes more buybacks and burns than emissions can even mint. This means: You're holding an asset that's **NOT** diluting your ownership **while** the total supply of HYPE is going **down** every year. Occurs even though the chain has no max cap and continues to mint new HYPE. Max cap by itself is meaningless. Especially, when most POS models send any new emissions right back to the holders, like you. Instead you look at: - Cap - Yearly emissions and if those emissions get sent back to all long term holders through mechanisms like staking or if only sent to a privileged wealthy minority such as Bitcoin miners (A minority that technically doesn't even need to hold the asset). - Chain revenue & how that revenue is distributed. - Chain revenue that is used to decrease total supply through burns. It's not about caps. It's about your ownership over network not being diluted while the L1 uses revenue to decrease supply and or distributes that revenue to you.

speriya_kailan

As a beginner with 130 bucks, I’d keep expectations low on quick profits. Short-term trades are basically gambling, especially if you’re new. BTC and ETH are slower but way more predictable long term. SOL can move fast, but it also drops hard, so be ready for that. If you do pick SOL, maybe just park it and learn instead of trading. Also once you’re not using an exchange anymore, a simple wallet helps, I use Solflare for SOL stuff since it’s pretty straightforward. Main advice is don’t rush, treat this first buy as tuition, not a money printer.

awaller777

your going to be at it for a long time that way. I learned that you have to go hard in the paint and I mean hard. That means way more than 70 bucks a day. Your going to have to put a check or two a month into sats. it's going to take building up your conviction, your discipline, and if your not carrying any debt ,possibly taking some on to do so. I am in no way trying to discourage you. Just as someone who makes 80 -100,000 a year and carried no debt before I started my journey to 1 BTC . I think I have an idea what it takes. I started in 2024 because the Blackrock etfs helped set my conviction into stone. and I never looked back. no flower, no eating out no more waste. just discipline that has only made me stronger. I did take on a personal loan to stack hard when we had a nice retracement in 2025. this allowed me to gain sats at a price that I didn't believe we would be at in the future. Go hard my dude. Stack sats and save on the block chain. it's the boycott of all boycotts. Its an act of non violent civil disobedience that you can do while taking a shit. SATYAGRAHA!

BaldBear_13

I am not OP, but for my education, how would be the scam work here? OP selling his wallet ID for real money? Or trying to route his BTC through my wallet somehow?

Editor-Forward

The revenue is up simply because the price happened to be up later in the year. Now BTC price is down, so the miners will make less money, probably will show losses galore for 4Q

copy-N-paster

XEQT or IVV and chill + some BTC and you’ll be fine bro

Editor-Forward

BTC increases in supply at roughly a 1% annual rate...so if demand/adoption increases at say 2% or more annual rate, right there is the supply/demand imbalance, that should cause the price to rise over the years. Not only that, said rise will cause a positive feedback loop, so demand may rise at not 2% annually, but maybe close to 5% or more annually...now we have a rocket ship.

Cratos007

since you asked "how": Spot crypto ETFs (like Morgan Stanley's BTC, ETH, and SOL) directly hold the actual cryptocurrency. The trust buys and custodies real Bitcoin/Ether/Solana on behalf of shareholders. so when trillions in institutional money flows into these ETFs (hello morgan stanley's client base + advisors recommending allocations), they have to go out and buy massive amounts of the underlying asset to back the shares. that's direct buying pressure on the spot market which means institutions "wanting in" by accumulating YOUR favorite coins at scale. which also now adds real selling pressure during bearish periods, and of course with the billions of value these banks and ETFs now hold (BTC ETFs alone at \~$120B), their effect on the market is way more amplified than retail ever was.

Tim-Sylvester

Remain in denial then, it only hurts you... and BTC.

pablo_in_blood

A ‘small amount’ of 1 BTC? You should at least update your scam description to a more believable number given current prices if you’re going to try to pull it off

eXch-Affiliates

Bitcoin is still way overvalued, since no one uses it for anything anymore besides speculation. It's been crippled by banks and the core devs and other cryptos have taken over the actual original purpose of BTC (fungible digital cash).

Mr_Eckert

I'd never leverage myself in a way that could create a margin call on my BTC stack. Doing so could set me back a decade. What I have done is get leveraged using secured loans (401K/Home Equity) that can't be called. This of course requires the cash flow to service the loan. Another idea would be to pickup some MSTR shares, and let Saylor & his team manage their debts and grow BTC per share.

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BaldBear_13

nobody knows what will happen. For price to fall, there will have to be some bad news, like Strategy liquidating, or another major exchange folding. Likewise, rapid growth will require some positive news, like new legislation or acceptance by some large corporation (e.g. Vanguard ETF or Amazon accepting payments in BTC).

ThatBCHGuy

The Bitcoin design mattered. BTC’s current trajectory prioritized price and custody over usage and incentives. That is where the divergence happened. Monero would not exist without the groundwork Bitcoin laid, but it is carrying forward the parts BTC left behind.

eXch-Affiliates

I think it did change the world! And Monero is carrying on the legacy Bitcoin started. Money that no state can control. I'm not certain that Gawker one was the article for me, but I found out about BTC in a similar way. Changed my life completely, and I've never used illegal drugs or a DN market in my life.

ThatBCHGuy

This article is how I found out about bitcoin. https://web.archive.org/web/20160407165324/http://gawker.com/the-underground-website-where-you-can-buy-any-drug-imag-30818160 The good old days. BTC could have changed the world.

Internal_Resort5451

If you’re just starting with $130, focus more on learning than chasing quick gains. Want “safer” large caps → BTC is the simplest long-term hold, ETH adds smart-contract exposure, SOL has higher upside but also higher volatility, so expect bigger swings. Don’t invest money you might need soon and don’t expect fast profit. Pick one or two, hold, and keep adding slowly. Whatever you buy, use a reputable exchange to purchase and then consider moving to a self-custody wallet for storage (something like Solflare is beginner-friendly). Biggest rule: avoid meme coins, avoid leverage, and only invest what you can afford to forget about for a while

pablito_jose19

Hi! I see a lot of people advocating for dollar-cost averaging (DCA) in Bitcoin and a lot of opinions that the market is unpredictable. I'm not saying they're wrong! DCA works and the market can be unpredictable, however, I still believe that Bitcoin is cyclical and that we're in a bear market until after the summer of this year. I follow Benjamin Cowen's thesis, you can find it on YouTube. He himself says he could be wrong and that things could change this time, however, there are many factors that point to his thesis that BTC is still cyclical being correct. Purchase price? I couldn't tell you how low Bitcoin will go. I personally am going to try to wait until it drops to 60k and then get my first 0.1 BTC. There's nothing wrong with trying to predict the market. If you manage to buy the dip, you can profit greatly. Good luck ❤️

mercuryy

A Bank can change their central cyphers and algorithms in a day If they want. BTC needs a hard fork that the majority of miners will back. And everyone needs to convert their wallet afterwards. As soon as a wallet with old encryption ist compromiseable anyone can update it into "their" new one, and the former owner lost the content, can not get them back and cannot even prove it was once his in the first place. With a bank, the stolen bank account contents can be reverted, new access or new cards can be issued to the known, provable former customer. Despite a inherently unsafe four digit pin you usually need a card as well to compromise a bank acccount. Or a signature on a cheque or bank transfer order. Other than in BTCs case, a once compromised access to a bank account is not game over. Which means dormant wallets will most likely be problematic, but anyone elses wallets that have not been switched over to the new, quantum safe fork by the time attacking the algorithms becomes feasible are likely gone as well.

Wo0odi

Is there such a thing as over-investing in BTC 😏

GachaponPon

Yes. Stablecoins suit their needs better than BTC.

root88

The reward is more than one BTC!

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Longjumping-Bonus723

I'm not very techy yes but how am I confused. If there is no max supply, the guys running the chain can always mind new tokens. One of the main reasons why BTC grew so big was exactly the 21 Mio Cap argument!

BeginningMost6014

Bro prob has $8 in BTC

BeginningMost6014

Dude, that makes no sense at all. What you described is not the whole purpose. The whole purpose for me is to make an investment decision that produces yield higher than the S&P 500 over time while mitigating risk while knowingly being in a risky asset. Also, I highly doubt Black Rock will make the wrong decision and choose the wrong path if BTC forks or something for whatever reason (if that is what you are saying). Of course no system is perfect and I'm not a huge fan of Black Rock but I am a pragmatist.

PirateSKB

BTC is literally sideways and rangebound for a while now. The market doesn't feel either bullish or bearish to me lol If I had to guess, I would say most folks are just bored and don't know what to talk about

nerdmonkey

Update: Pay1040 was going to charge me the "Paying by commercial credit or debit card" fee 2.89% rather than the usual 1.75% when using the Coinbase One American Express card. I used ACI Payments instead, which charged their normal 1.85% fee. Coinbase sent a notification stating I'd get the full BTC reward.

VariatCA

Good lord lol, these dailies get flooded by so much overwhelmingly-bearish garbage on a day that BTC only had a 2% trading range from the last closing, and is barely -0.5%. It's honestly sad how bleak & doomish some people are in here... though more than a few of them **only** show up on days that are even marginally red, as if spreading doom & gloom is their only hobby. *This is a normal trading range*. Plenty of assets like stocks can fluctuate 2-5% in a single day, and do so nearly *every day*. Stop looking as though a green day means "it's only up from here!" and a red day means "it's all been a fakeout after all, crash incoming."

nickoaverdnac

For the record, [it appears to be over now.](https://www.paypal.com/us/campaign/cryptosweepsterms) I just hate connecting contests or the like to BTC because it just encourages gullible people to get scammed when bad actors imitate the legitimate events.

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Kraken also has had and continues to do bitcoin sweepstakes "From Dec. 4-Jan. 5, every eligible client who opts in and trades $1 (or its equivalent in another currency) will earn one sweepstakes entry to win 3 BTC." [https://blog.kraken.com/product/promotions/win-3-bitcoins-holiday-2025](https://blog.kraken.com/product/promotions/win-3-bitcoins-holiday-2025)

whatwilly0ubuild

The ATH question and the TradFi integration concern are kind of separate things and I'd push back on linking them too directly. On the ATH question, nobody knows. Anyone claiming certainty about BTC price in 2026 is selling you something. The macro setup with potential rate cuts, ETF flows maturing, and post-halving supply dynamics all point toward bullish conditions, but crypto has a way of doing the opposite of whatever seems obvious. Our clients doing portfolio work treat BTC price predictions as entertainment, not analysis. The TradFi integration trend you're describing is interesting but I don't think it's a liquidity drain concern. If anything it's the opposite. Exchanges offering stocks and gold are trying to capture wallet share from people who would otherwise move funds off-platform to trade those assets elsewhere. They're keeping users in the ecosystem rather than losing them to Robinhood or traditional brokers. The money wasn't going to sit in BTC anyway, it was going to leave. The narrative dilution argument is more philosophical. Yeah, Bitcoin started as an alternative to traditional finance and now exchanges are becoming one-stop shops that include TradFi. But Bitcoin's value proposition doesn't depend on exchanges being crypto-purist. It depends on Bitcoin's own properties, the fixed supply, censorship resistance, settlement finality. Those don't change because Bitget lets you trade gold. What I'd actually watch is institutional allocation trends and on-chain accumulation patterns, not exchange product roadmaps. The people moving serious capital into BTC aren't doing it through the same platforms retail uses for gold speculation. The maturity framing is probably right. Early crypto was ideological, current crypto is financial infrastructure. That's just how adoption works.

whatwilly0ubuild

Both, but mostly leverage risk compounding overconfidence. The "insider" reputation thing is dangerous because it creates a feedback loop. Guy makes some good calls, builds a following, starts believing his own narrative about having an edge. Then he sizes positions based on conviction rather than risk parameters. Works until it doesn't, and when it doesn't the leverage makes the loss catastrophic instead of manageable. The actual lesson isn't that insiders don't exist or that information edges are fake. Some people genuinely do have better information or pattern recognition. The lesson is that even a real edge doesn't mean every trade wins, and position sizing has to account for being wrong regardless of how confident you feel. What I've seen with our clients doing quantitative work is that the best traders are almost boringly mechanical about risk. They'll have strong views but the position size is determined by volatility and max drawdown tolerance, not by how sure they feel. The "I'm confident so I'll size up" mentality is how you blow up accounts even with a genuine edge. Crypto specifically punishes this harder than traditional markets because the volatility is insane and liquidation cascades can move price against you way past your stop. A position that would be reasonable in equities becomes suicide with the same leverage on BTC during a volatile week. The narrative thing is real too though. People convince themselves the market "has to" go a certain direction because of halvings or ETF flows or whatever, and they forget that markets can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent. Price doesn't care about your thesis being eventually correct if you get liquidated before it plays out.

DrSpeckles

This is the most likely death spiral for BTC. Rewards don’t have to go to zero, they tend to zero over time. And transaction rates are so low due to it not being a currency that fees will have to be so high that it will only reduce transactions further. Ultimately miners don’t care about BTC they just want to make money. And so they go out of business or move to something else, maybe even AI data centres. Without them the network dies.

jkl2035

Sure - every Technology will have issues, centralized banks as well as decentralized blockchains. I think BTC has a good migration path with BIP360, tricky part will be to come to consensus on what to do with Satoshis/lost coins, interesting to follow the discussions on that in the next months

iTrainUFCBro

BTC halvening was in 2024. Next one is 2028. 4 year cycle

jrv313

For me, I want to have options for any possible senerio. I like BTC becuase as an asset it had performed well and i believe that it will continue to do well. Id like to have a cash stash for buying dips and situations where you need liquidity. USD is not as strong and on the way out. But its sti viable medium of exchange. You are right though, it is wild.

Tim-Sylvester

A religion is a belief system that, among other problems, causes its adherents to act irrationally and get upset and lash out defensively when the belief system is critcized... so here we are. >But what is this ‘desired state’ you speak of? Can you articulate? No, because an ideal state cannot be described, as reaching an ideal state is impossible. Any improvement is an increment *towards* an ideal, not the ideal itself. If we attempt to describe an ideal, time reveals that the description is flawed in some way. By asking me to "describe an ideal" you're asking me to predict the exact challenges BTC will face in the future that will cause it to fail. That's not possible, because those challenges and that future state are not realized yet. But improvement can be described. That BTC has a group of maintainers and has code updates just proves my point, that BTC *is not* the end state - if it were, it wouldn't need to be touched. Let go of your religious beliefs about BTC, they cloud your reasoning.

dormango

You’ve read an awful lot into my ‘bollocks’ there. BTC will be superseded one day but doubtful (in my view) in our lifetimes. But what is this ‘desired state’ you speak of? Can you articulate? But your assessment of its problems and likening it to religion it what caused my outburst. So yes, bollocks, but not for the reasons you insinuate. Over…

Buddy_Palguy

Eth still above 3k BTC still above 90k everything’s fine this is fine

DryMyBottom

> I believe a select few of us will still be around only if BTC money help them growing immortal

fx_alvaro

I think so, we're currently rising to 100k before falling again. I'm already preparing with cash to buy BTC and maybe some altcoins.

CryptoCenterDot

Bringing a whole new meaning to 'Proof of Work.' It’s great to see fitness apps integrating actual BTC rewards instead of just internal tokens.

Seattleman1955

Apparently you are young and no experienced in investing. If you continue, you'll get more experience and will learn some lessons. If $3k is all you have to invest, sure, but it into Bitcoin and forget about it. If you and going to continue investing as a life long activity then you want some diversification. Think in terms of maybe something like QQQ, BTC, some in a money market and a house one day, at a minimum.

No_South_9912

You should have other assets. Precious metals, stocks, real estate. Don't put all your money in BTC.

Aggressive-Ship2270

I buy every Wednesday night through CashApp. If you set up direct deposit with them you can put a % of your check for ZERO FEE’s!!! This is how I DCA. I will buy BTC through an exchange if there are there are big dips. Other than that, I don’t worry about the price. Just keep stacking😎

Tictactoe1000

Nah, we started with 1000 BTC , currently with 1 BTC….

LMskouta

By true adoption I believe he means for BTC to be used like standard legal tender to buy and sell everyday things and services like we do today with credit/debit or even easier hopefully. Right now it is not there yet and it’s only used/utilized as he described.

Smart_Table6455

No new ATH for BTC tho this year. Alt pump for a little while more while big daddy tops soon

Green_Ad9723

BTC is no longer falling to 60 units, that's over.

Green_Ad9723

Great, then I can enter again to buy all BTC

fajarsis02

definitely yes.. BTC has no ceiling as long as fiat has no bottom. the fed is warming up their printing machine..

Green_Ad9723

It's really great, I'm so happy!!! So many people are still thinking about diversifying into fiat products!!! That tells me I'm very early with BTC... early with Bitcoin!!! People, everything can be multiplied indefinitely, the stocks, the SX, everything rises just because inflation is rising!!! Fiat is worthless and infinitely expandable, everything, really everything. Gold and silver are still 90% in the ground... Bitcoin is limited to 21 million... If you're really scared, buy a house and a few toys, the rest in 99% BTC, 1% ETH, SOL, and BNB. You'll all get as much money as you need!!!

locotxwork

Elon already has BTC nodes in spaced on satellites sucking direct solar power. Wait till that news comes out.

Consistent_Client_38

CAGR would be 59% by 2030. BTC has beaten that 1/2 the years so not even remotely impossible. Improbable maybe.

PEBeachbum59

I retired year ago and had to cut my every Friday morning BTC buy in half. So I did. Still stacking and still sleeping sound at night. I understand the temptation, but all you can do now is resume the regular purchase plan and move on.

Consistent_Client_38

Why would you resort to emotion with BTC. Just go look up the facts. This is a dumb post.

Consistent_Client_38

It’s on track for 450-500k in 2030 and 1M in 2033. Anyone that says hopium doesn’t understand crypto markets and what’s currently happening. Look up the CAGR for BTC and you’ll see it has beaten the market since inception. The longer you wait, the further behind you’ll be.

Davess010

1 million BTC maybe in 2045 or something

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Tim-Sylvester

Oh, so nothing can ever be better than BTC in any way, for any reason? It will never be surpassed? What an interesting claim.

focal78

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gurumoves

What does this have to do with BTC?

Alfador8

>You can pick any stock that did better you want, but that's only relevant if you actually bought that stock at the right time Also, "only quadrupled" assumes you bought BTC at the exact wrong time in 2017 and at no other point in between. 

SpareRemarkable9320

I’ve been full port BTC for almost a decade. No regrets. It’s like we’re investing in the internet or cell phones in the 90’s. There’s SO much upside long term. I feel 100% comfortable because I fully understand the tech behind it, educate yourself if you’re unsure. If you want to make crazy money fast, BTC may or may not work for you. If you want a space to save long term that guarantees amazing returns, it’s definitely the best option IMO

RiceMofo

If you stick to BTC it’s good for me too

andys811

Most those assets in that list will have higher market caps aswell in 5-10 years, I think 1m BTC will take more than 5 even 10 years but it will get there, it doesn’t even necessarily need to overtake anything there just needs to be more USD in circulation

deilasi

You don’t sound dumb at all — this is a very normal question. What you’re seeing is usually a mix of **liquidity loosening + risk-on sentiment**. When BTC and ETH start moving, money often rotates into alts, so it *feels* like “everything is pumping at once.” The tricky part is that **price going up ≠ good entry**. A lot of people lose money by buying simply because things are green. If you’re unsure, learning *while* being lightly exposed is often better than going all-in or staying completely out. Holding small amounts of ETH is already a solid way to learn how cycles and volatility feel in real time. Instead of asking “what coin should I buy,” it can help to ask: * What problem does this project solve? * Does it have real users or revenue? * Is it infrastructure, an app, or just hype? There’s no rush. Markets will always give you another opportunity. Protecting capital matters more than catching every pump.

GachaponPon

Exactly. Many just assume that BTC is the only option people can choose. It might be one day but that’s not how a lot of investors see it right now. Shhh, don’t mention gold…

Crap911

Plan: Only BTC