BTC

Snowman33001

MSTR currently owns over 840,000 BTC. That’s 4% of the terminal supply.

Lavayo

But to the conversion rate to other things, houses for example. And there is no world in which you can get a house for 0,1 BTC which would be 10 BTC now, while the value in $ does not reflect that change.

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liquid_at

that meme coins exist. BTC Maxi copium turned the biggest scam in crypto. just because altcoin gamblers couldn't admit that they were the problem...

Romanizer

Mortgage lendere do care: Fannie requires the source of borrowed down-payment funds to be documented, and crypto-backed debt payments count toward DTI. The BTC isn’t Fannie collateral, but the loan absolutely affects underwriting.

timothyguay

And people insult me for holding FBTC instead of BTC in some flaky wallet

Royal-Emphasis-5974

Yeah - it’s funny because it’s another arbitrary number. You’re telling me you guarantee if it passes 83k - it’ll just shoot up? 0 chance it goes to 82 or 78? Exactly. It’s just another arbitrary number. I’m glad it’s going up but if you knew anything about BTC everyone else didn’t - you’d be in a small room, in chains, guarded by many guys with guns.

ujohanne

There are some good channels on YouTube to watch, that explain the situation well. I personally like "cryptocurrently" for BTC longterm hodlers. I invested 80% during the 60k region, now waiting for a correction to maybe get more invested. Hope that helps.

Romanizer

There's no margin call or forced liquidation if BTC drops, so it's no margin loan at all. The interesting part is that a BTC-backed loan is now formally integrated into a Fannie mae-conforming mortgage structure.

EricLimbongan

Yeah, more utility matters too. Things like using BTC as collateral, native staking, or putting it to work in DeFi could make it useful beyond just holding.

EricLimbongan

I see it that way too, but I think Bitcoin can be both. Being a store of value doesn’t mean we can’t find more ways to put BTC to work. TBVs could help unlock that.

Nomadic8893

this dude is back from grifting with his failed BTC "treasury" company who's stock is crashing quicker than BTC in a bear market. wouldn't really promote this guy or take this guys word on anything to closely

devCheckingIn

Seems like TradFi media is pushing the idea that the BTC bull market is back on, whereas a lot of YT crypto seems to be arguing that this is just a bull trap and we're going to break much lower by the midterm elections. FWIW, YT crypto analysts have been wrong about everything the past two years that I paid attention.

DJjarell

If you’re holding long term, I’d also look beyond just price appreciation. There are more ways to put native BTC to work now while keeping it in your own custody.

Systemonly69

Might even leg up BTC to 100K and then start consolidating to 95K.

anymonero

Yes, and BTC isn't guaranteed to be one.

XxElvisxX

Cool. Last time they did this they shut the program down at a btc all time low and I lost a ton of BTC because I couldn't come up with the money instantly. Fuck these guys lending programs.

EcstaticAsparagus509

As if europoors have money to buy BTC in the first place /s

erjo5055

Same, 40-50k BTC will make me cum

poundsdpound

Don't worry, we are only in 2026. The pain has comparatively only just begun. Imagine speaking to someone in 2040 or 2050 when you say "by the way, back in the day I was mining BTC and managed to accumulate just a few Bitcoin in a number of hours." They would start crying. Even if it took 1 week to gather 5 BTC, that figure in 2040 is going to be eye-watering in total

DiamondHandsDarrell

Why not both? But seriously what's the purpose of alt coins? I've been in crypto since 2010 and I've learned a lot since then - and that's why I gave alt coins a try. But at the end of the day, BTC is the only one that makes sense to me. Almost anything alt coins can do, BTC could implement except rug pulls and centralization. Otherwise why not just use fiat or USDC?

DontLook_Weirdo

Oh ok. Yeah it's sats, not Bitcoin. Sats are the pennies that up BTC 100m Sats = 1 BTC. Your 15k sats = $13ish

Odd_Ice7956

>How is expanding the supply of money an issue, but dividing bitcoin not an issue Imagine bitcoin as gold and it will make sense. Pirates hid gold, people took them in their graves, chip manufacturer used gold coatings, and so on. So, amount of gold is practically decreasing. So, does that mean jewelers and chip manufacturers won't sell gold items anymore? Not necessarily. Jewelers will use smaller and smaller piece and chip manufacturers will use thinner and thinner coating, but the smaller and thinner piece will cost same as the larger piece from before. >Then half of them die suddenly and now there’s only 5.25 million bitcoin holders and can only ever be 5 million holders? You probably already got answer to this. There is my perspective: 0.00000001 BTC = 1 satoshi 0.001 satoshi = 1 millisatoshis So, technically, right now, 1 BTC can be divided among 100,000,000,000 people. The lower limit of 1 millisatoshi for now but may change later.

JunkBondJunkie

You can do BTC futures but it's 5 BTC contract and need to put up half but it's 2.5x leverage.

AsSheDoes

Or just get liquidated and lose all again if BTC dips some. Doesn't even matter if it does go to 250k a bit after. You'd be broke. And w the coldcard stuff still coming out, not shocking if there is a big dip. Don't do it.

sheeeeeeeeei

I learned about BTC in the super early days and missed out and I don’t seethe. I just didn’t expect people to find out about it. I’m still trying to buy in. BTC forever, shitheads.

Squeiner

Advice from strangers on the internet is usually very bad advice and you shouldn't take any of it. Here's mine: figure out what you need to cover all your bills, plus a bit extra to have on hand in case of emergencies.  All else goes into BTC, and dont even look at it or think about it until you're 30. By then, you will have much more optionality, things like low interest loans against your btc and other vehicles designed around the asset. This field is maturing quickly, in 13 years it will be a whole different game. If you're smart, and willing to spend your 20s saving and living a very modest life, your 30s will be glorious. Just need to make sure you dont lose your coins to some rug pull or hack, make sure they're safe. Do a lot of research. This stuff seems hard to learn but it really isn't,  just need to spend some time and effort on it. At 17, you likely don't have a long term view thats realistic and detailed enough to make good decisions about your long term savings, so its ok not to make any decisions now, just keep saving aggressively. At 30 you will have a much clearer picture of your life and goals, and if you apply yourself, gather skills, work hard, increase your income as much as possible, and save in btc, you will be very well set up for the next phase of your life. The 2 main things I'd focus on are patience and knowledge. Have patience, life is very long. You usually overestimate what you can accomplish in a year, and severely underestimate what you can accomplish in 10 years. And gather as much knowledge about bitcoin as you possibly can. Read everything you can find, listen to all the podcasts, audiobooks, commentary, news, education.  Patience and knowledge. That's the name of the game

TiredTr

Same person calling a house overvalued likely thinks BTC is undervalued… it all says so much more about the dollar than it does home valuations.

WageSlave2025

There was a way to pay with BTC in SRO?

mtndewaddict

Like BTC it's value is not based on fiat currency, only communicated. 1 SPY is 1 SPY the same way 1 BTC is 1 BTC.

Treesh_Jancy

Asking strangers online for financial advice is a good way to part ways with your money. The whole point of investing is doing your own research. No one has a crystal ball, so we don't really know when is the best time to buy. Most people here DCA (dollar cost average) their way into BTC and invest for the long term. If you believe in the tech, I think the best way to get involved is to do exactly this, but again, you shouldn't take advice from me, you should figure out what works for you, how much you are willing to invest, and then just stick to the plan.

Romanizer

Yes, mechanically that's correct, but it's a bit misleading. Fannie Mae isn't taking Bitcoin as collateral. The BTC secures a separate loan that provides the down payment for a standard conforming mortgage. The significant part is that Fannie Mae is accepting a mortgage structured this way. So Bitcoin isn't collateral for Fannie's loan, but it absolutely is part of the approved financing structure.

reddit4485

https://thequantuminsider.com/2026/08/27/starkware-researcher-demonstrates-quantum-resistant-bitcoin-transaction/ >The actual quantum problem is the millions of BTC sitting in addresses with exposed public keys, including Satoshi's. Not really. These addresses are more vulnerable and would be the first to be hacked. However, the long-term problem is the public key is exposed when it enters the mempool which could allow a quantum computer to calculate the private key. The hacker could then send the bitcoin to an alternative address by paying a higher transaction fee before the initial transaction is complete. This quantum proof transaction would prevent this.

TjWolf8

How could BTC go to 40k?

Interesting_Loss_907

Your comments appear contradictory. Above you said you tried to buy 2500 BTC for $25 but “they kicked you out” for making the offer. But here you’re saying you chose not to buy 1500 BTC because you thought it would be “greedy” to want the expected financial gain in the future. So which is it?

BakingBreadBB2

You still can't beat the absolute best traders who mined BTC before it was cool and forgot all about it though.

Interesting_Loss_907

Why would they have “kicked you out” of a group for simply offering a bit of money for a token that had absolutely *no market value* at the time? In early 2009 there were only a small handful of people on the planet who knew of Bitcoin’s existence, & they weren’t buying or selling the coins back then. The earliest trade of BTC for currency was Martti Malmi iirc in Oct/Nov that year, & BTC was worth only about $0.001 at that time (far less than what you described in your post). Also, if you were one of the select few people on the planet mining Bitcoin in “early 2009” as you claim, you’d have mined a lot more than 50 BTC. That amount was a mere single block reward. Are you claiming you cpu mined but as soon as you found 1 block you shut it all down? (That wouldn’t make logical sense.)

JKimRX

Yes and no. I do believe people will eventually default to stacking “SATS” instead of BTC because the latter simply will be intangible in price to the nominal pleb. However, this is requires true mass adoption which is likely a couple decades away. But too aggressive scarcity can discourage that needed mass adoption.

misunderstandingit

Don't think of what was man. The first time I bought it was like $450 and I have effectively none of that left. I basically don't have shit to my name. I can maybe snag $100 a month of BTC when I can land some extra side gigs. You are *already* doing better than many people *ever will*. Be well mate.

EndzeiT420

Relax bro, been there... had 100BTC on mtgox, sold it all before everything happens, its OK, dont worry.

Key_Independent_818

Historically BTC has hit bottom in a very particular window in its 4 year cycle. (Block mining rewards halve every 4 years). People expected it to hit bottom around September October so held from buying. Also expected to get much lower than 60k. But all signs are pointing to the fact we most likely hit the bottom. If you can read charts, trendlines, know how to read divergences, you can pretty much expect the chance for it to hit a new bottom low from here is very slim.

lorenzos5991

In che senso non possiedi il BTC non è alla stessa maniera di TradeRepublic? Dovrebbe essere comunque bitcoin, solo che in amministrato senza l utilizzo di un cold wallet personale, o sbaglio?

Brawlah

No bull market confirmation until BTC crosses $81,700-ish. I personally am waiting until we are sitting at 82k for 24 hrs before I grab more. I have my small weekly reoccurring buy still set,but I also have cash waiting to buy...but waiting until that level. I've "read that book" too many times. Once I drop my bag and purchase at current level (79-80k),we will be back at 60k tomorrow lol So I personally am trying to be patient this time...

BitcoinMD

What if their 401k contains BTC?

youngmind12

well the up option seems to be what BTC is on right

Efficient_Range1156

BTC is the ark 😂

Mysterious_Hour6654

I wouldn’t try to time the spike. If you believe in BTC long term DCA a small amount and avoid putting everything in at once.

deeneendo

not your keys, not your coins. If you want to hold, get electrum or cakewallet (or similar, but timeproven) and write down you secret words, do NOT enter them on an electronic device or take a photograph! transfer the BTC you bought to the address you created for yourself in your wallet, then you can hold indefinitely and as long as the secret words are kept safe, you will be the keeper and not some shady business that can fold over night.

skullcrusher696969

Not touching spot right now but still trade the volatility on libertex with a spot BTC CFD, no overnight swap so holding through the chop doesnt bleed me on fees

anymonero

If you DCA'd into BNB or TRX since 2017, you could have outperformed BTC.

prediction_markett

The actual quantum problem is the millions of BTC sitting in addresses with exposed public keys, including Satoshi's.👍

ManBearCave

okay, US but how does that matter? If the market crashes the USD drops, pretty much the world economy is based on USD. Given that how would you exit BTC? BTC prices will also drop as we have seen multiple times

Ok_Wrongdoer_4308

I have 2 BTC I’m not selling so if there is ever a reason to hop on an ark and the fee is 1 BTC per person, my wife and I are getting on.

misunderstandingit

Fuck that, I'm saying this out in front of God and every body, this is something people say to each other to try to help one another from feeling bad. Once you understand bitcoin, you never sell *all* your bitcoin, even if you are taking profits from bull runs. I was a snot-nosed little shit the first time I got bitcoin. Used 99% of it on drugs. I didn't have a real understanding of money or the time horizon because I was fucking 14 years old. Life is full of coulda shoulda woulda's. I could be rich as hell right now if I didn't love psychedelics so much as a teen. But I also could have learned about what Bitcoin is much much later if it weren't for that as well. This guy coulda been rich if he kept the 50 btc. He coulda been rich if he asked for 1000 btc instead. Any of us coulda been rich if we bought 5 year Nvidia calls in 2020. What I mean to say is, this "oh you would have fucked it up anyway!" Sentiment is bullshit and kissing a booboo that we shouldn't be. Do not focus on your past. Focus on your future. I'm sotrying you don't have your old coins or lost the opportunity or sold too early or bought too many drugs or whatever. But the truth is Bitcoin is still around, and is valued as highly as it is because it's not going anywhere. Don't sit and mope about how much BTC you *coulda* had. Light a fire under your own ass and go get more. Be well everyone.

GIGAbtcHodl

What if boss holds 10x more BTC than you?

OneMiners_Hosting

The important part here is these are direct BTC-to-ETF conversions, not BlackRock going out and buying $5B of bitcoin. Holders are moving BTC they already own into IBIT in exchange for ETF shares, so it’s more of a change in ownership structure than fresh buying.

Elsa_Holly551

I wholeheartedly agree that it was created for this but can we stop promoting grifters from Twitter? "Crypto Tea" is not the best BTC advocate in town...

btc_set_me_free

There's a bit fat ~1000 BTC sell wall set up on Coinbase at 80,000 and if it gets close, you can watch it get chewed up and absolutely destroyed on this OG price chart: https://bitcointicker.co/coinbase/btc/usd/3hr/ Not my chart, just the one I like watching the best.

Aerocryptic

Still have a decent position on TAO. Might load more if it goes below $150. If not I’ll ride my current bag. Looking at TIG and TAO subnets for small caps. I also have a moonshot on a really risky bet Quilibrium. On large caps I’ll had to my BTC bag if we got another dip in September. Maybe some ETH too as I sold all my bag in 2025.

No_Community7021

You buy a house holding BTC? Alright, if that's the case then you are right.

Inevitable-Brush4508

If that's how you think about buying BTC then you don't get it. It's an investment instrument, that's like saying people shouldn't invest and buying house or cars instead

No_Community7021

Like real money to buy things? Buying BTC at every stage and no selling? What's the point?

No_Community7021

If you just want to have BTC, sure. If you want to have other things, no.

Sufficient_Show1

Best to stay on BTC. I am not in favor of alts. ha haa

No_Community7021

Simple tip that I learned later on... not one or the other, a part in both and buy some now and some later. ETH usually has a higher percentage of drop and rise which makes it more speculative but also isn't as reliable while BTC still gives rather good curves but is more likely to do it. Poorly explained but I hope you get my point.

Creepy-Mastodon-4676

\- whale with 150 BTC: a old laptop with linux installed, seedphrase stamped into a piece of metal, place in a home safe \- Bitcoin maxi with 0.1 BTC: 2 of 3 multisig wallet with 3 hardware wallets from 3 brands to prevent vendor lock-in. each wallet protected by a 50 character length of passphrase, split the risk of seedphrase revealed by 9 shamir secret backups

Creepy-Mastodon-4676

\- whale with 150 BTC: a old laptop with linux installed, seedphrase stamped into a \- Bitcoin maxi with 0.1 BTC: 2 of 3 multisig wallet with 3 hardware wallets from 3 brands to prevent vendor lock-in. each wallet protected by a 50 character length of passphrase, split the risk of seedphrase revealed by 9 shamir secret backups

SerenityCerulean

I’m 60/40 ASST/MSTR. ASST have a good chance of outperforming MTSR (already is) this cycle. They haven’t got the capital market access like MSTR do. ASST have bought 5.5% increase BTC holdings recently. I can see the future can be bright, just imagine if they get the bigger funding via SATA. Scaling would be a lot bigger than MSTR as it’s a small company. MSTR if you want security, ASST if you are feeling bullish and wants to chase gains.

zooka19

Gonna buy some BTC. Will it pull back? Probably. I'm up more than double either way.

DiamondHandsDarrell

People don't think they're gambling but they are. They're looking for BTC gains but they just get rug pulled. I learned my lesson with LRC, ETH and helium. Nothing compares to BTC

DiamondHandsDarrell

I mean keep buying whatever coins you want while I'm taking gains with a cost basis of $0. 00. BCH is a fork and is commensurate in value with its utility. Everyone else is late to the party trying to dethrone the king. Even ETH can't compare. To me they're all comparable to squid coin. Again, BTC can adapt to the needs of enough people will it. But until that's the case, waiting 5 to 10 minutes for my transactions to go through is not a problem. When I first sent BTC to an exchange I didn't have to pay any fees whatsoever. Now I do. So it will continue to adapt and everyone else will continue to be forgotten in history.

Main-Cheesecake3287

And do what? Use BTC at the store? You gonna wait like five minutes every time you buy something for it to confirm?

DiamondHandsDarrell

At the end of the day, BTC has a lot going for it. For me personally, going from zero to 126k in value means there's nothing else that compares to it. If enough people wanted to increase the amount of transactions per block and it's frequency, it's possible. But for now it is where it's at. There's no other solution that BTC can't handle and be decentralized at the same time.

ghostchihuahua

Wait, you mean to tell me that a Market Maker has poured 5B$ in BTC into a market-tradable, thoroughly-fuckable financial shitvessel?

tenor_tymir

I agree, that’s a mantra for traditional investing but *so far*, anyone who ever bought BTC was in the green at the recent ATH. If another ATH soccers everyone will be green again.,

AgentSmith2077

You need the password. If you dont have it, you will need to brute force it with BTC Recover: [https://btcrecover.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Usage\_Examples/2020-05-08\_Recovering\_Blockchain\_Wallet\_Passwords/Example\_Recovering\_Blockchain\_Wallet\_Passwords/](https://btcrecover.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Usage_Examples/2020-05-08_Recovering_Blockchain_Wallet_Passwords/Example_Recovering_Blockchain_Wallet_Passwords/)

SeriousGains

Anyone in crypto for Twitter clout doesn’t deserve a second thought. As for coins going to near zero, I’ve been here since 2017 and 80% of the coins I’ve owned have gone to near zero. The ones that haven’t (TRON, XMR, BNB, LINK, ZEC) have made up for the ones that have. Mind you I never held meme coins either. Looking back, had I just DCA’d BTC I would have still done better, and with much less stress.

jkl2035

Don’t think BTC will be off in the Next two to three decades - it will handle all threats, for quantum we are already working on w/ BIP360/361

KnownButton8327

This is why BTC has gone up almost 4x

Decent_Telephone4965

BTC really said ‘future unclear, try again later

Sufficient_Show1

I usually do scalping and grab 500+ points in each scalp with good number of BTC. Easy peasy!!

Squirll

No that guys BTC is GONE gone lol.

MajorAnamika

That happens on the Bitcoin sub as well. HFSP, "to the moon" etc when price goes up. When price goes down, it's 1 BTC = 1 BTC.

Objective-Cry-9837

BTC thats lost is never coming back. After all BTC is mined, the supply will always be going down towards 0.

Interesting_Loss_907

BS. In early 2009 there was no otc market; there was no market at all. BTC’s value in early 2009 was $0.0000 If you offered anyone $25 back then for 2500BTC no one would ever 86 you for offering money for something that had no value at the time.

unusual-fire

BTC failed to evolve so they try to keep alive and shield the narrative. Even funnier that the sub is called bitcoin as a category despite especially BTC is in trouble long term.

velvettemptressed

Check whether the BTC is actually marked as available, not just confirmed. gamdom aside, a hold or open order could explain it.

velvettemptressed

You finally get the card working and BTC decides cheap sats are over. gamdom level timing.

HankScorpio2020

I had to sell .2 BTC last week and I hated it. Then the rest of my BTC went up 30%. I likes that. But I would have liked it it .2 more had I not been forced to get fiat.

QuirkyPainter92

Just completed my analysis. BTC to 82,413.13 by end of next week. $83,333.33 Friday after. Holds at $81,273.11 around there for a bit. Looks like the moves up ppl are talking about is in play. This is not financial advice in any way. Who knows if my model is solid. Anyway. Hope I’m right!

underyourskinx

A confirmed transaction doesn't always mean the full amount is immediately spendable. gamdom or not, check for pending locks or reserved BTC.

sweetobsessionxx

Look at the transaction details for any pending hold or restriction and check the actual available BTC amount, because a confirmed deposit does not always mean it can be sold immediately, gamdom included.

canadianragweed

Why can't an individual hold 1+ BTC on an exchange or through an ETF? It's 80k, a modest vehicle.

sweetobsessionxx

BTC apparently waited until your DCA system was ready before deciding cheaper entries were no longer on the menu, gamdom included.

Objective-Cry-9837

But can the economy be run on 0 BTC? No,I didn’t think so.

MajorAnamika

Actually, r/buttcoin clearly states that BTC is useless regardless of its price. They do not assert that the price will certainly go down.

worththestare

Two days is not necessarily enough to rule out a platform hold, especially if the BTC was bought with recently deposited funds, so check the release date before doing anything else with gamdom.

Yzcompass

If your main goal is **low stress and long-term holding**, I wouldn’t feel pressured to choose ETH simply because it has more functionality. BTC and ETH serve different roles, and “more utility” doesn’t automatically mean “better long-term investment.” Since you already have BTC, one reasonable approach is to treat **BTC as the core holding** and only allocate a smaller portion to ETH if you genuinely believe in its long-term ecosystem. That way, you aren’t making an all-or-nothing decision. If you’re considering buying more ETH, I’d ask yourself three questions first: **What percentage of your total portfolio would ETH become?** **Could you tolerate a 50–70% drawdown without panic-selling?** **Would you still want to hold it for 5+ years if the market went sideways for years?** Also, don’t underestimate the value of simply **doing nothing**. If your personality is “I don’t want much stress,” constantly switching between BTC and ETH may be counterproductive. And if crypto volatility is exactly what you’re trying to escape, you could also consider whether **XAUUSD/gold exposure** fits your objective better than adding another cryptocurrency. Gold gives you exposure to a very different set of drivers—real yields, the U.S. dollar, central-bank policy and geopolitical risk—rather than simply adding another crypto asset. In short: **BTC core + a measured ETH allocation + potentially some gold exposure** is a much different approach from trying to guess which single asset will win.

No_Champion2428

It could still be a thing but BTC pumping to 100k and dumping to 70k could also happen.

dangerouslysoftx

Losing 50 BTC that early would haunt anyone, but you cannot judge a 2009 decision with information that only came years later, gamdom or otherwise.