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If BTC is down ~50% and Gold is dropping too, is the "safe haven" narrative officially dead?

So guy what’s the next big thing / catalyst for crypto

I have been in crypto long enough to know how this news of MSTR going to sell Bitcoin will play out.

Daily crypto TL;DR – June 30, 2026

Saylor’s hubris might break Strategy but it can’t break Bitcoin.

Live Gold Price on Your iPhone & Apple Watch – Finally Done Right

I got into BTC this cycle, here is the playbook I have followed

What wallet do you use for stacking up BTC?

Retail is panicking over Bitcoin, but the whale and dark pool data shows massive accumulation.

$MSTR should sell short shorts to raise cash

May I flex, may I flex, may I flex?

Michael Saylor Strategy's Real Problem Isn't The Price of BTC it is BlackRock and the Banks.

The 13-day ETF outflow streak finally broke, dip buy or trap

Can Bitcoin thrive in a future of energy constraints and slower growth?

Am I the only one who thinks that July will be bullish for BTC ?

Grayscale's Head of Research Says Strategy Should Sell $3B Bitcoin as BTC Holds Below $60K

Grayscale's Head of Research Says Strategy Should Sell $3B Bitcoin as BTC Holds Below $60K

Strategy Announces Digital Credit Capital Framework, USD Reserve Policy, STRC Dividend Policy, Digital Credit and MSTR Repurchase Authorizations, and BTC Monetization Program

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should I keep HODLING or sell some? my brain is being dumb rn

El Salvador Adds 8 BTC As Treasury Reaches 7,696 Bitcoin

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What’s the best argument against BTC?

BTC outlook for July

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How do fees (sat/vB) work?

Liquidity is the signal

We were tired of paying for crypto signal groups, so we spent a few months building our own desktop terminal.

Is MSTR a ticking time bomb?

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My Barber finally sold his Alt coins

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Do you think BTC has bottomed here or is another drop coming?

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О покупке крипты

A few words about Litecoin (LTC)

Attention all Memecoin Hodlers

Cryptocurrencies with the potential to grow 50x, 100x, and more by 2030.

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This dip is different. Crypto might not recover…

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Humanity Protocol, Kelp DAO stolen funds commingle – Same attacker?

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Ça y est j'ai atteint 0,1BTC

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Cross margin is how a 15% BTC wick cost me the whole account

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AI Agents Could Be Bitcoin’s Next Demand Driver

STRC's 100$ stability mechanism has a design flaw

For those who started years ago: Do you ever feel like you missed the boat, even if you’re finally in?

In what year did you enter the crypto world, and how much have you accumulated so far?

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Does anyone actually trade BTC dominance, or is it just a vibe indicator?

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I live in the US. How can I begin using Bitcoin as a daily transaction payment method?

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How could small BTC deposits to a “burn” site result in receiving ~0.75 BTC back? (Saw txs myself)

if you could go back and put $1,000 into one crypto at launch, what would you pick?

BTCUSD Update

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BTC Goes Below $60k and Everyone Says It’s Dead? 🤣

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We cool with this?

PokeFUN.lol : my first memecoin is

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"SATOSHIS MILLION"

This is the time to start buying

BITCOIN TO 34K

Both the (4th) Rainbow Chart and Power Law chart failed this week. Only the Diminishing Returns theory has survived every cycle.

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Any good "stores" to buy BTC?

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If you rotate into alts this cycle, what's your actual exit rule — not the entry?

[Showcase] Built a lightweight SOL/BTC/ETH ticker bot for Discord sidebars

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Many exchanges are facing MiCA compliance issues and Bitpanda is giving 5% for EU who move assets to their exchange

MiCA is forcing a venue migration in Europe, and Bitpanda is paying 5% in BTC to relocate assets for EU users

Selling my 6 BTC today

How do i calculate how much i'll pay in mining fees knowing the amount of btc i'm sending and the sat/vbyte rate?

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How to "leak' a small amount of BTC every year.

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My BTC is not even nearly close to an alarming number.

Should i buy BTC?

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Every time I need cash for something it's always when BTC is at the worst possible price ...

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How are you positioning in the current market environment?

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All in at 35-45k!!

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Is this $10.6B BTC options expiry actually a gamma trap, or are people overplaying the $54k call?

Crypto Winter or Done

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Crypto Winter or Done

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10x Research just put the cycle bottom at $55,000 by October, while Polymarket has 64% odds BTC hits $55K or lower before 2027.

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Extrapolation Model: Bitcoin will drop 66%

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It's not over till Stradegy sells a lot

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MSTR -- STRC dumb math problem of the day...

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Is this the tipping point?

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Is there any chance for BTC?

Every major exchange and lender collapse from 2014 to 2023. The pattern is always the same.

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Finally Wholecoiner 💎

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Anyone else notice how differently BTC and alts behave when volatility spikes?

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MaSTeR Michael and the BTC Maller

What is the relationship of BTC with NASDAQ?

BTC Burning Wallet

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BTC under $60k and I’m already all in 🪙

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BTC Burning Wallet

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cold wallet, should I?

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Should I liquidate at a Loss?

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We keep finding suspicious activity while listing tokens on our crypto app

Can MSTR create a ripple effect on the whole stock market should it collapse to nothing?

BTC is not a store of value, it’s a Story of value which we create to sell to the next person at a higher price.

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How do you handle the pressure?

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BTC halving cycle / 4 year cycle / and Elliot wave theory

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BTC halving cycle / 4 year cycle / and Elliot wave theory

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Theoretical BTC chart

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USDC earning stuck in pending at OKX

Fear & Greed is at "Extreme Fear" — what's actually driving this selloff, and the one corner of the market that's still green

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BTCUSD drop till 35k. Is it Possible?

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FUD

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I mean everyone is saying we’re at the bottom but we’re down 2.5% this AM. Is this people getting out before Saylor “monetizes” the 2 billion 💵 of BTC?

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The rise to 100K had the following catalysts: 1) MSTR buying billions every chance they got 2) The election of a "pro-crypto" administration 3) Institutional ETFs, allowing boomer money to buy BTC 4) The rise of Stablecoins 5) The worst inflation in the last 40 years 6) And most importantly, the backdrop of a 13+ year bull run (minus a blip in April 2020) What else is there? You have to have more people buying into bitcoin for it to go up, that is the cold hard truth. Now: MSTR has cratered, STRC is looking incredibly unstable, and the only way out for them is to dump their bitcoin. Trump is 2 years in and really only cares about grifting (Trump coin) and the EU has halted a crypto exchange. We could easily see an anti-crypto candidate emerge in the US. Institutional money, who were already skeptical of bitcoin and don't understand it, have now been roasted, all while watching index funds do what they always do, deliver returns. They are not going to come back. Stablecoins are still around, but if some of these companies get audited things could go sideways fast. Inflation is much more inline with where it has been almost all of my life, you can't tell people their fiat is evaporating at 13% anymore. If the markets finally cool off, and I suspect they will if you look at the Shiller PE ratio, stocks are overvalued at almost the peak dotcom boom, many people (not bitcoin diehards, but the people that have bought in and pushed it up this much) are going to sell anything that is risky and retreat to safety. The fact that it has cratered like this during a bull market is a terrible sign.

A mercenary is selling heavily into the euphoric bull run and buying during bears. You said you've been for a long time yet you didn't buy BTC or any other alt and made money off of them. Either that or you lost money on some shitcoin hence You've been here for a long time longing for BTC death innit? How many times has BTC declared dead? And it always rekindles and hit new ATHs

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Because BTC is down over -2.5% this AM.

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I wonder who is still selling at this point, we are at prices not seen since 2024 pretty much for BTC. And for Alts 2022 or so.

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Why would any company buy BTC from MSTR at $59k right now if they can just wait till they are forced to sell and get a much lower price?

Mentions:#BTC#MSTR

Wait for $20k BTC. It’s 100% happening. $59,000 is still an astronomically inflated price.

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Buy BTC low this fall.  Sell high late summer 2029.  Make between 300-400% ROI.   Mining is dead.  I got out years ago.  Used to be lucrative back in the Ethereum POW days.  I could pull in $20 a day easily.   But those days are gone.  Alts are dead.  Your best bet is to play the cycle at this point.  You'd probably have better returns buying and staking alts that have a decent return.  I've made $976 staking on about $3k of alts.  I've also made $408 in BTC cashback on my Coinbase One credit card.  You can also earn interest on USDC that's higher than a savings account at a bank. Basically, you need to look for ways for your crypto to make itself money.  There's zero chance you'd make that on mining.  You might make a dollar a day.  Not worth punishing your machine over.  Your mining will never pay for your rig.  

Mentions:#BTC#USDC

QQQM would better fit OP’s desire for risk. BTC is an interesting long term play, but isn’t doing anything before October, if ever again.

Mentions:#OP#BTC

The last one actively and recuring buying. Tell me when any of the ones you listed have bought BTC and at what price.

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No it's like saying if you want to monetize on BTC their business model is the worst you can think of. Would you put your money in a fund that buys the highs and sells the lows? It has nothing to do with cycles but have a trading and investment strategy instead of buying blindly whenever you can

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If you're looking to use BTC for everyday spending without constantly selling it, check out apps like Oobit. You can connect your wallet and pay anywhere Visa is accepted, while merchants receive fiat. Makes using crypto for daily purchases much more practical

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If "BTC is dead" people's think they are right, why don't they short BTC? They will be verry rich according to them.

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Expect more drawdown. I predict BTC hovering between 45k to $50k

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Where were they when BTC was 120k +

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Just checked brokerage app it says trading activity is 65% sell on BTC right now

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For me all others coins are DEAD, Except BTC.

Mentions:#DEAD#BTC

Why do you ask strangers for recommendation?it depends. The question will you take profit during the euphoric bull market? Or keep holding? Because those who bought BTC 2021 top and held thinking BTC would hit $500k is underwater.. There's only altcoin which been holding fine in this bear so far and it's hyperliquid. Everything else is struggling.

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That means they lose BTC overtime, so does it look similar to a Ponzi scheme?

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There are way more events to come before bottom- Saylor selling a tonne, triggering mass news events This years massive exchange breach Some news appearances regarding quantum attacks and the end of BTC

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Absolutely. In the end they have the same goal as we all have: increase your BTC stack as much as possible.

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Why do people buy MSTR instead of some ETF? I think usually they will get more BTC exposure by just buying an ETF.

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So he is going to sell BTC and then buyback MSTR shares with it? Jesus he is setting it up to death spiral asap. Guess he is ready to buy MSTR puts with his personal (anonymous) account directly after every buy back (that will boost the price a bit).

Mentions:#BTC#MSTR

I mean, they think BTC has some value. Maybe youu should lower your expectations

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**Daily crypto TL;DR:** * ⚠️ Crypto Market Downtrend: Bitcoin struggles below $60K as broader crypto market trends bearish. * ⚠️ Extreme Fear Prevails: Extreme Fear grips crypto, with Fear & Greed Index hitting cycle lows. * ⚠️ Institutional Bitcoin Flows Shift: Bitcoin ETFs see continued outflows; MicroStrategy pauses BTC buys. * ℹ️ Ethereum & Macro Outlook: ETH shows resilience; US-Iran tensions ease, US jobs data awaited. *News summary from the* [*HODLings app*](https://www.geosystemsdev.com/products/hodlings/)*.*

Mentions:#BTC#ETH

Bullish. BTC is over 17 years old. It's not going anywhere 🤝

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So if they sold all their BTC tomorrow went bankrup and Bitcoin was 100$'s what do you think would happen?

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The BTC price will tell you, fallling price he is a forced seller of BTC or stock and you can't keep selling your stock to pay other shareholdrs for long without going bankrupt or going to prison i imagine.

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No, it is a real problem. The coinbase will not pay for security forever. Fees have to take up the slack and since BTC has limited amount of transactions fee must rise to at least ~$300 to keep security high. And BTC cannot "be there" for more than maybe 1% of the people. If 1% make a single tx the BTC chain is clogged for 200 days. BTC is carried solely by the hope to sell it later for more, nothing else.

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The quantum age is going to make it tough to keep the crypto narrative alive. And when it comes to adaptability, Bitcoin isn't exactly my top pick. The threats are real meanwhile the optimists keep telling us it's still decades away. Every +ve development in quantum space is going to drag crypto down but not every -ve one is necessarily going to push it down further as crypto narrative is losing global momentum (crypto regulations, restrictions, adoption, volatility etc.). If someone had told me back in 2015 that machine learning would deliver something like GPT I would have looked at it with the same skepticism I used to reserve for quantum developments back in 2020. I'm all for decentralized currency. But I'm running low on hopium for the BTC bandwagon.

Mentions:#GPT#BTC

I mean, I'd like if ETH woke up... Still Hyperliquid is the only one actually performing ever since BTC started to dip on May 14th. ETH is -30.18% for this period. Almost worst performer inside top 20 https://preview.redd.it/6zdb2u0evdah1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d93ce29a24843d1450ccc92586a18cbb2ca512d

Mentions:#ETH#BTC

Bought $50k ETH. No regrets. Can't miggle with stocks anyway, but crypto in general was always tax free in the country I live in. Sticked to BTC all the way, first time branching out to ETH now.

Mentions:#ETH#BTC

I'm only invested in top 20 coins. Got rekt when I was looking for below top 100. Hype is the only coin actually performing during this BTC 2 month hiatus, so that's what I plan to buy when it eventually does fall. https://preview.redd.it/axkmgdequdah1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a403f8a0320d79e1f3316c5466d9a8b364e1738d

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You did good, people here are often leveraged degens that are pissy the price is down and now waah waah BTC sucks, it will have great value in the future (and I strongly believe in ETH aswell)

Mentions:#BTC#ETH

BTC has done this for many, many years. It always bounces back higher than before. That said, it could go down much further and take years to rebound.

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If BTC doesn't want them those transactions wil go somewhere.

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I don't really understand how MSTR works, but I don't like so many BTC concentrated in the hands of one entity. So them by and by selling BTC instead of holding them forever seems like a good thing. Much better than a sudden elimination and flash sale.

Mentions:#MSTR#BTC

To reach a price of $95,000 per token based on your parameters, Ethereum's market capitalization would need to grow to **$11.34 trillion** (assuming its current circulating supply remains completely unchanged). **The Breakdown** **Current Implied Supply:** $191 billion ÷ $1,600 = **119,375,000 ETH** **Target Market Cap Calculation:** 119,375,000 ETH × $95,000 = **$11,340,625,000,000** ($11.34 Trillion) **Today's Bitcoin Market Cap** Today, Bitcoin (BTC) holds a live market capitalization of approximately **$1.19 trillion**,

Mentions:#ETH#BTC

BTC made its pact with the devil. It fully relies on NgU for its value aka " Store of Value" there is no other utility left. They stripped the p2p cash part from it. If the price tanks enough and doesn't recover fast enough the believe in NgU might actually break and then it is over for BTC.

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BTC is already broken though 🤷‍♂️ >As long as there are users needing peer to peer money and miners willing to validate and broadcast transactions, Bitcoin goes on forever. There is a very real problem of falling security if they do not manage to raise the fees, though.

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The declaring of death has become a ritual on itself on which low BTC-holders put value as part of the proces / cycle / future. How crazy is that. Why can’t it just be a volatile product atm, used for pump and dump.

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BTC would be a stupid thing to waste money on.

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Thank you very much <3. I was aware of the mNAV they use, which is the 1.07 on their website, but I had no clue about the switch, as I don't really follow MSTR. But honestly, based on the information you presented, it seems that, value-wise, it might actually be a fairly priced company at the moment, as they finally provide what Saylor was selling to people when it wasn't actually true -> you get leveraged exposure to BTC, meaning that for 1 unit of cash, you get more than 1 unit of exposure to the underlying asset, which wasn't the case for the last few years, as he was promising this while you would actually get better exposure by buying BTC directly. That being said, my best guess is that the "we need more charts" comment means that he doubled down and will introduce some kind of buybacks or an equivalent mechanism to create a false sense of security. And he WILL be able to sell this idea to people, as it's even more economically complicated than what he was selling before (the leveraged exposure). I hate this, but sadly I believe he will be able to drag it through long enough to pass this cycle. Ofc he get fukdd if cycles are broken this time..

Mentions:#MSTR#BTC

Still one of the best tools to escape financial repression and take your wealth as you flee a country. Politicians will continue to be a PoS (safest bet), BTC is there to help you.

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In the very, very unlikely (nearly impossible) event where the entire Global power grid is down, some people/communities would still be able to generate power through generators, hydropower and solar. In addition, mesh networks and HAM radio stations would fill the gap for communications/data relay. [Here's an article that addresses some of the problems, challenges and solutions currently available.](https://d-central.tech/bitcoin-beyond-boundaries-transmitting-through-radio-waves/) >Bitcoin’s transport layer diversity is growing. In 2026, we have satellite downlinks, LoRa mesh networks, shortwave relay, and experimental protocols all providing alternatives to plain internet TCP/IP. The [network hashrate](https://d-central.tech/mining-glossary/network-hashrate/) has crossed 1 zettahash per second. Difficulty has surged past 144 trillion. The block reward sits at 3.125 BTC following the April 2024 halving. Bitcoin is more robust, more distributed, and more resilient than ever. Long story short, if humanity survives, Bitcoin survives.

Nobody's forcing anything; it's available as an option. Wallet-to-wallet via Lightning Network. You know, the whole peer-to-peer, no intermediary thing? The whole thesis of Bitcoin?  I do think the community would welcome an education from you on why BTC without Visa and "normal payments" is inferior, though 👍

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jeg har ikke fått noen epost varsel, heller ikke inne i binance, og jeg har lånt 200k for ordren jeg kjøpte i isolated margin trade (USDC/BTC), men blir litt nervøs nå i tilfelle jeg blir tvunget til å måtte selge med tap før prisen rekker å gå opp igjen.

Mentions:#USDC#BTC

ETH is alt like it or not. BTC is BTC and everything else is alts and they follow BTC. Just hold it many years enough and you realize BTC is the only choice.

Mentions:#ETH#BTC

With 17 months of USD in reserve to cover the dividends, if they sell BTC now, its to buy back STRC or MSTR at a discount. Why shouldnt Saylor buy back STRC at $80 or $90 when they sold it at $100?

Unless the government decides to move towards a Central Bank Digital Currency (off the table til 2030 for now). This would mean every transaction is monitored by the government. This includes corporations. CBDCs would be sold as a way to “provide transparency” and “end financial criminal activity” and there are countless positives that would be the selling points… until the govt decides to put limits on your credits, give relief packages you have to spend or lose to bolster the economy, take fines and taxes directly from your account at will, etc. It would be masked as security, but at the cost of freedom. Should that happen or even be discussed, BTC will rise significantly.

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lmao true, BTC has basically become the global risk-on barometer. Anything sneezes in tradfi or tech and crypto catches the flu first

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Over time you never know. BTC is a speculative asset. As an investment you hope someone down the road will pay more for it than you. And historically that has always worked as of 2025. Will that speculation pay off again? No one knows. Hence it being speculative. What’s crazy is it keeps going up, despite its lack of mainstream utility (as you said with the TSLA example). So this is a play that historically keeps going up without utility. And hypothetically, if utility does manifest then you could argue it will also go up for those reasons. Seems like a fair play. Only “bet” what you can afford. But seems like a pretty good thing.

Mentions:#BTC#TSLA

Hard lesson to learn but many make it. Never trade based on emotion (sentiment). Have a plan, follow it, adjust as needed. But have a system and follow it. If you want to trade BTC like a stock asset, then trade it like its an asset. Have your stop losses at technical points you have set, buy back at planned buy back points that is supported by whatever technical data you have or beliwve. Or if you are a believer, and plan is to HODL, invest only money you are prepared to lose and not impact your life. That way when you see the price drop, and like a big portion of BTC holders currently, are underwater, you are less tempted to make emotional trades as it was money you were prepared to lose anyways

Mentions:#BTC#HODL

Real estate is expensive to hold because decent returns require leverage, in addition to RE taxes. And like other hard assets (gold, silver, etc) is tough to move without absorbing huge fees. BTC has no holding costs, and can be used as collateral for a loan that close in hours. Not weeks or months. It’s cheap to hold, easy to move, and does not require a ton of humans or silly fees to finance.

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Everyone wants to make BTC to keep going up but also says they want things priced in sats. That will only happen with a stable price. You can have one of these things.

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If you are not selling your pants to go into BTC right now, you don't deserve to be on this subreddit.

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This will be great for the crypto industry for sure. But the guy also predicted BTC to be at 350k in 2024.

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It's $1.25B on top of another $1B for STRC buybacks and $1B for MSTR buybacks. So about 55000 BTC total.

ETH too tied to BTC price. BTC is a shitshow right now, so ETH will suffer because of BTC.

Mentions:#ETH#BTC

This feels more like treasury management than a change in conviction. If they're selling some BTC to support dividends, buybacks, or maintain liquidity while still holding a massive position, that's very different from abandoning their longterm Bitcoin thesis.

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This is VERY bad for both BTC and the stock market

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And that's WITH all of the money they have printed in the last decade. But somehow the dollar is even stronger than before. After all the leverage and liquidations finish tanking those markets(people investing in crypto tend to be a little more risk happy), I'm sure it will come back strong. BTC, eth, silver, gold. Also depends whether the fed decides to tighten or just let inflation run wild.

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totally agree. I remember last cycle in 2022 and 2023 when it was at 20K I wanted to buy in but I was broke just out of college. Now that its near the bottom again at 60k I finally bought in. So when 2028, 2029 comes around it will reach a new ATH. This is because every 4 years BTC halves.

Mentions:#ATH#BTC

They didn’t. Saylor sold exactly 32BTC of his 800k+ horde. He said in an interview he may do so to “inoculate the market” to the idea that he may sell some some day (as the move will be misunderstood by people who just read the headlines, like the one above you). He’s since bought hundreds more.

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All you had to do is borrow against your BTC and buy the dip with it. Come one be serious about it. If not a true believer in the asset, get the f out and leave. But yeah it's like a drug . Bet y'all he is coming right back in when his convictions got back on track.. with less than he would have had if followed the plan.. 🤷 he deserves to loose returns on investments since he's faith is weak..

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It can store $50,000 worth of USD fiat currency more easily at $50,000 than at $5,000. Insert any values here. If in doubt, imagine trying to buy $1 billion worth of BTC when it's value was under $1000. Yet today, dozens of institutions including corporate treasuries, exchanges, and sovereign governments hold that amount when valued in USD.

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go ahead and downvote my motivation banner, I could care less lol. Maybe share your thoughts on BTC instead?

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Pretending I found something how? Literally said I am showing the engine that says BTC whales are accumulating. That's it!

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Bears making liquidation event scenarios is retarded yes. What is much more likely is MSTR becomes a perpetual seller of BTC for years on end as they never recapture 1.0 mnav, and BTC needs to deal with a constant downwards pressure for years. If saylor can't raise money through ATM offerings of MSTR or STRC, 1.5 billion a year minimum of selling from saylor. Def worth keeping in mind if you are long BTC. As for MSTR and STRC investors today, I feel sorry for them. I'm sure many made money, but the ones left will become bagholders.

Strategy holds roughly **847,000 BTC**. The authorization is to monetize **up to $1.25 billion** if needed. At today’s depressed prices, that’s only around **20,000 BTC**. That’s roughly **2-3%** of their holdings. So this is **not** an announcement that they’re dumping their entire treasury.

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maybe it's a bear trap strategy, when everyone is selling Saylor will buy a lot of BTC and kills the bears

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USD is a fiat currency like any other. BTC is not like any other shitcoin. There is a big difference.

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I wouldn't touch any alts till atleast late this year to next year. Alts keep losing against BTC through the Bear markert.

Mentions:#BTC#Bear

US Treasuries cannot be lived in like real estate, and they pay a negative yield when adjusted for inflation. Yet, there is plenty of demand for this product. In part because there is low counterparty risk with the issuer. With BTC there is zero counterparty risk.

Mentions:#BTC

Bag holding? My ACB in ETH is $450 and on BTC is under $1K ;) I've been in this a very long time. There could be a total crypto collapse and I'd still be in the green. You sure aren't that bright eh

Mentions:#ETH#BTC

Basic mNAV is a very simple formula: (total MSTR mcap) / (total value of BTC held) Their website shows enterprise mNAV, which they quietly switched to late 2025. All 3 types of mNAV can be found here https://bitcointreasuries.net/public-companies/strategy

Mentions:#MSTR#BTC

Why would I sell my BTC? It's the only coin that's actually doing anything meaningful. I have a few ETH I should probably unload but my ACB is so low I might as well ride it out. I certainly won't be stupid enough to buy any alts, that ship sailed long ago.

Mentions:#BTC#ETH

Frankly, I’d sell it all. Trump, Saylor, these guys can afford to loose their entire BTC holdings. Can you? Don't be the last guy holding.

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Well, I guess so. I mean if you count the bodega on the corner. You keep making yourself feel better brother. When you have EVERY BTC treasury executive finally admitting that it will never be used “but don’t worry, now it’s storage of wealth” I am absolutely positive that you know better than them my little internet friend. You should be in charge of the world.

Mentions:#EVERY#BTC

Question, why sell the land ? Isn't smarter to keep the land, use equity from it then buy more BTC or metals ?

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Lol why not monero or something similar at that point? An untraceable BTC seems like a lot of work to both buy and sell. And it could ultimately still potentially be traced.

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A couple things wrong with that. For one, trade is not zero sum, it is positive sum. Both sides value the other side of the trade more than their own or else they would not voluntarily make the trade. Both sides walk away with more subjective value (the only kind of value) than they started with. There does not need to be a loser or a "correct side" of the trade. Additionally, there is not a fixed amount of value / money in bitcoin. As demand to hold bitcoin balances grows, the market cap / value of the entire pie can grow. The price of bitcoin can rise with demand and one could gain purchasing power (or dollars, if we have to go there) from it, without someone else having to have bought high and sold low. Nobody had to lose a trillion dollars for BTC to reach a trillion dollar market cap.

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Congrats man, this exactly mirrors my timeline with BTC and ETH. Bought around 35K and 1.575K average prices per coin, respectively, and sold in November around 120K and 3.8K. Seven figure profit. Nobody wants to here it but I am out for good and expect a BTC low of 45K. Don't even care about ETH at this point, nothing but BTC matters for speculation or usefulness (ie money laundering).

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he already sold a few BTC. now he gonna sell a lot more

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I don't buy crypto, but BTC has to be near the bottom rn. It's held up quite well, IMO

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Especially when the military has a BTC miner now lmfao plus when quantum cracks the last coins like an egg

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You don't understand BTC. It doesn't matter what it costs. The point is the ability to transfer without a third party. And we can subdivide it further if sats become too valuable in USD by adding additional values after the decimal.

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Um if I had a million dollars I wouldn't mess with BTC anything last 50,000 I get one coin at that price and do real estate or something 🤣 I hit 6bdigits and honestly haven't boughten one sat just because I don't feel like I need to take risks anymore

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Isn't it amazing how stupid these people are? They have 18 months worth of cash to cover dividends and this is move here allows them to sell a small portion of their BTC if they absolutely need to. Literally talking about the possibility of selling 2-3% of their stack at current prices if they really need. Most of these people don't understand how Strategy works.

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If untraceable self-custody is your goal, why not Monero? It’s quite undervalued compared to BTC.

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I'm currently sitting on unrealized profits. This one coin has been performing well in this bear. Holding steady during BTC dips and getting adoption..

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Why owning BTC if it is to never sell them? At the end, profit is in fiat , not bitcoin.

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People see BTC green one day and think we are back. True gamble addicts https://i.redd.it/vpmpj6emiaah1.gif

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Nah, see that’s where you are wrong. Strategy buys BTC that is already on existence and not newly minted directly from miners.

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The “death spiral” narrative sounds clean on paper, but it leaves out a few important realities. First, MicroStrategy isn’t a forced-liquidation fund. Their debt structure is long-dated and mostly not margin-style. That matters because it removes the immediate “price goes down —> instant liquidation” mechanic that actually creates true spirals. Second, the preferred dividends and obligations are real, but they’re not automatically “must sell BTC tomorrow” triggers. They have multiple levers: issuing equity when conditions allow, refinancing, restructuring maturities, or using operating cash flows from the software business. It may be uncomfortable, but it’s not a binary trapdoor. Third, the idea that selling a small portion of BTC automatically causes a cascading collapse assumes a very fragile market. Bitcoin’s liquidity is deep enough now that even large sellers tend to be absorbed over time, especially if it’s structured and not panic driven. Also worth noting: the “they broke the never sell rule with 32 BTC” point is mostly symbolic noise. That wasn’t a structural shift, it was housekeeping-level movement, not evidence of a new liquidation strategy. The real risk with MicroStrategy isn’t a guaranteed doom loop, it’s leverage plus volatility. If BTC has a long, deep drawdown, their equity can underperform badly and funding gets harder. That part is valid. But “automatic spiral to zero” requires conditions that aren’t actually hard-wired into their balance sheet. So it’s not a ticking time bomb in a mechanical sense. It’s more like a highly leveraged bet on Bitcoin that can survive a lot, but would get ugly if the downside lasts long enough.

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bot what? Asking a question, that's the best argument. BTC value is speculative so far

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The USD is the most widely used currency in the world (almost $10 trillion in transactions daily). The problem with your analogy is that BTC isn't really functioning as a currency. It's functioning as a speculative asset.

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It can survive, but there will definitely have to be some adjustments in energy consumption. At residential electric rates, it's gonna be tight, especially since we all know that residential is the first place power companies come after when they want to cut electricity usage. Reducing that power demand is gonna be key. I suspect a lot of it is going to come down to consolidation, kind of like what hosted mining companies are doing, bringing everybody's rigs together in a place where the electric costs are lower, but instead bringing everybody's rigs together in a place where the power is plentiful. Since you've got BTC hosts like Epic Mining running off green energy already, I imagine this being the wave of the future - instead of solo mining off your residential power supply, I could see groups of people linking up and creating solar or hydro power centers where they can group mine. I don't think it's going anywhere as long as miners are willing to adapt and innovate, and i think the best miners are doing that already.

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Leverage will always exist and be applied to most investment vehicles. If you want BTC to crash just to shake Saylor out do you really think there won't be another treasury that just plays things slightly differently?

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You should watch a video about how to use it and how cold wallets in general are used and why they are used. Dont get sucked into the meme coin trap (assuming youre planning on buying crypto) start with BTC and the further you go down the line, the more risk youre taking on.

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