BTC

StackingSats1300

I have one - nothing BTC related in it as it's a giant honeypot for a thief's attention. Take my gun, take my cash, ignore the other stuff hidden elsewhere.

Last_Ad_301

Exactly! It's called 'rotation'. What most institutional investors do on the daily. Not everyone has a religious devotion to BTC and will rotate out into better performing investments.

cucurucu007

BTC support?

Fortune_Donut7432

It's a question of patience. But I feel like people don't see BTC as the main thing, people see cryptocurrencies and investment possibilities.

mrjune2040

Most people don’t understand how most things work in the world, especially the most commonplace inventions. It’s good that it’s shifted from the ideological (which was always problematic for BTC imo as it bordered on something quasi-religious at times) and into the democratic hoi polloi in terms of uptake.

Hfksnfgitndskfjridnf

Because they already have less Bitcoin per share than before they started selling STRC. That means STRC is already a failure for shareholders. The whole point of issuing STRC was that Bitcoin would grow faster than the dividend payments so you can increase Bitcoin per share. Since they bought BTC at 80k+ and waited until it dropped to 60k before raising 3 years of cash reserves, they’ve actually decreased their Bitcoin per share. So it doesn’t matter what Bitcoin grows at from this point, it’s already a net loss. All that Bitcoin growth does is decrease how much more they lose.

Hfksnfgitndskfjridnf

Because they already have less Bitcoin per share than before they started selling STRC. That means STRC is already a failure for shareholders. The whole point of issuing STRC was that Bitcoin would grow faster than the dividend payments so you can increase Bitcoin per share. Since they bought BTC at 80k+ and waited until it dropped to 60k before raising 3 years of cash reserves, they’ve actually decreased their Bitcoin per share. So it doesn’t matter what Bitcoin grows at from this point, it’s already a net loss. All that Bitcoin growth does is decrease how much more they lose.

anymonero

BTC has 100% lost its vibe when it was adopted by wallstreet and bankers. It's all just boring price speculation now, all the crypto anarchists moved to Monero.

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arielsskudra11

Only invest money you want to save for the long-term. There is no need to cut back on things you need in life, just so you can accumulate more BTC. I made that same mistake for years. DCAing can save you a lot of nerves and anxiety. After a while you even stop caring and stop checking the price every minute

TheBitcoin21

Well I recently completed 1 bitcoin. Tbh, I was kinda in the same situation: I was so orange-pilled that it seemed I was just living to accumulate btc. I'm pulling the paddle of the gas as know I'm not going to touch this 1 btc for decades. Now, I'll live a little outside just accumulation. I know how deep one can get into this because BTC simply is one of a kind experiment/asset in the human race!!

WelcomeCommon3144

https://preview.redd.it/kt0jj6j20qih1.jpeg?width=577&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5788f644bad6fe7e664e78a134c86ddd7eb87d9e Tokenomics is the same as BTC , just 2 decimals instead of 8.

Particular_Yard_2460

> it's BTC and LBTC only What about the LGBTC? Doesn't seem very inclusive.

Classic-Charity-2179

"Best" is like "optimized": it's meaningless without the "for" statement. Like a number is meaningless without a unit.  Coldcard was certainly the best BTC wallet... For performing a retirement attack...

Elistheman

No trust. My CC is in the drawer collecting dust. I can’t believe this was touted as the best BTC wallet.

KjHoveysLoveChild

Not even worth it anymore, unless you own a warehouse and can make enough BTC to pay for the power bill *and* make a profit...

Leithm

Well if you consider Bitcoin as having shit Tokenomics. BTC price was about 30x at the same point in its issuance schedule. Do yourself a favour and do a little research. [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/scFITNDCUXg](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/scFITNDCUXg) [https://x.com/PeterRizun/status/2078059071505367294](https://x.com/PeterRizun/status/2078059071505367294) And if you don’t know who Peter and Andrew are you probably shouldn’t be playing with crypto. [https://nexa.org/team](https://nexa.org/team)

angelwolf71885

As long as a Bitcoin can be easily mined we are still early…once the reward drops below 0.5 BTC per block reward then we will be late to the party

sophie2701

buy BTC, wait 17 more years (and longer), look back on your post, and you got an answer. Bitcoin has just started, and even though crypto somehow seems commercial, because it gained for attention instution wise, howevet, it's still niche. How many people really hold bitcoin, how many people know sometjing about blockchain? If random people would be asked on the streets, I bet everyone knows it's name back from 2012 or something and knows that it went up...but most won't know anything else about it. It has some kind of popularity, however, crypto and blockchain is not yet common knowledge. If institutions are interested, we should be interested as well, because that's were a decentralized asset gets held by institutions once again. If you hold it, good for you. Probably it will go further down, but not down the drain...and it will go up again, I believe, further than one can probably imagine…

unknowngloomth

Yeah. Shit tokenomics. There are still about 11 trillions coins to get into circulation. How isn't that shit tokenomics? And bruh. "Trillions" how come you compare this shitcoin to BTC at all?

Leithm

Shit tokenomics? Same issuance as BTC, now 53.4% mined  FDV of 11m. Mkay.

Next-Ambassador9097

For me I will probably wait too. The first BTC move after CPI feels more and more like a trap lately. If yields and DXY don’t confirm it, I wouldn’t be surprised to see BTC give the whole move back and trap everyone.

sophie2701

am a big fan of blockstreams jade few side facts: \- On setup, you choose a PIN. This PIN is combined with a **blind PIN server** (“blind oracle”) to encrypt your key material — the oracle never sees your actual seed, hence “blind" \- The decryption key is effectively **split in two**: one part lives on the device, the other is retrieved from the oracle (via blockstream mobile green wallet) each time you unlock \-> All communication between Jade and the Green app is encrypted end-to-end. Net result: if someone physically steals a **locked** Jade, there’s genuinely nothing of value to extract — no seed sits fully assembled on the device. \- Fully **open-source hardware and firmware** — you can literally build your own from the published GitHub repo if you’re into that. And for all Bitcoiners: it's BTC and LBTC only, with LBTC swapping features also for Jade

Azatis-

It is all about BTC, ETH and few more that are in med-high risk terittory like SOL, BNB, XRP etc

Advo96

> BTC is the only cryptocurrency with any value. BTC does not have any economic use case either. It serves no real-world purpose other than speculation, tax evasion, fraud and money laundering. BTC will go the same way as all the other cryptocurrencies, only later.

VendettaKarma

That or just give up and buy BTC or ETFs on exchanges. You can’t even trust self custody anymore. But wait! Maybe someone could make a white paper and a new “project” to fix it! Nah, they’ll just rug pull you too.

Mooks79

There’s a balance and OP clearly wants to shift it - that’s perfectly fine. Not everyone is happy accumulating every possible satoshi today, and eating noodles in a hovel. Some people would be happy having slightly less BTC in the future and living a better life today. Obviously you don’t want to swing completely the other direction but life is about balance.

TheBigBRRRR

The passphrase is like a password. If you use a weak passphrase it can definitely get hacked if the hacker suspects that your BTC is protected by a passphrase.

Romanizer

If Bitcoin literally disappeared tomorrow, ~$1.3T of market value would disappear with it. ETF investors, public companies with BTC treasuries, miners, exchanges, custodians, lenders, derivatives traders and millions of holders would notice immediately. Entire businesses and balance sheets would be impaired overnight. Would your local supermarket stop working? No. But “civilization would continue” is an extraordinarily low bar for claiming an asset has no relevance. Apple, Microsoft or basically everything else you invest in could disappear tomorrow and most humans could still eat their breakfast.

Syrion1984

1 BTC is what I've been working towards for just over a year now. I should get there (or close) by 2030 as I'm DCA-ing with a fixed amount every month. I truly believe 1 BTC will represent life-changing money in the future!

Odd_Challenge_524

Yes, I agree. You should just start stacking again, OP. It will be harder to get back to 5 BTC but not impossible, especially since we are still at sub $70K.

Duxopes

Microstrategies macro strategy is funding its purchases through loans. Meaning they have to pay interest and fund the company. This means in order to minimalize that kind of impact they will sell BTC sometimes or the company is like to default on payments. Thats at least what I got from the man itself by deducting his words. He already said theyve maxed out on loans in conventional means.

didnt_hodl

everybody was saying BTC will tank if they start selling. well they are selling it regularly now and BTC price could care less similarly, once STRC gets a proper credit rating (in view of the huge BTC collateral and giant USD reserves), there will be no need to pay a crazy, junk bond level interest of 12%. eventually, in the limit, STRC dividend will be only slightly above the risk free rate. and it would still be popular, since the dividend is also tax-deferred or essentially tax free for the first 10 years or so

ubermensch1001

2024-2025 was basically just a BTC bull market, with some alts just tagging along or doing very little. To put this into perspective, ETH was at the same price in the summer of 2023 as it is now, while BTC back then was trading around 25-30k. You had a couple that did really well, Solana and XRP, but the alts collectively have done NOTHING since 2021. Sure, you had some opportunities for swing trades, but in terms of an actual alt season it never occurred. I do think we will have an alt season at some point, the variables for that to occur based around monetary policy just weren't there in 2024 through 2025.

Outrageous_Hall1090

No more than 21 mil people could own a full BTC

tom_murray_nw

Sounds like we've ended up in a pretty similar place! Once I got to an amount of BTC I was comfortable with, I stopped feeling like every spare bit of investment money needed to go into it. I'm still very bullish on Bitcoin long term, but I'd rather build up the equities side of my portfolio now and let the existing BTC position do its thing.

Gangaman666

This sub has long been compromised and infiltrated by bad faith actors. It's really sad because 5-10yrs ago this sub was the place for intelligent discussion. Now it's a cesspool of anti BTC losers and banker/wallstreet bots spreading misinformation and fear.

Ok-Amphibian3164

MSTR has outperformed BTC returns since they adopted the Crypto reserve strategy and moved strictly from a software company. End of discussion. This will continue YOY.

ardus666

OP I'm highly confused. I just came back from vacation, out of country, and still stack BTC. What's the issue you're having?

NorskKiwi

Sounds elegant, but it's just incorrect imho. The stock market pumping invalidates your thesis, no? I think for people to want to rotate to BTC they'd need to see returns/a better chart. If we go sideways/crab up for a year it will play it's part in this.

A1JX52rentner

Lol the value is the only thing I care about. I want to make my life better for my family. All these people with 0.00001 BTC claiming they care about the tech lmao

Honest-Mess-7431

Will BTC ever reach 150k?

lk1191

just convert BTC to monero when you need it

DreamWunder

None of it matters really only BTC price increasing over time is the main driver. If BTC fails mstr fails. If BTC goes over 100k then mstr will outgain it

Enuda

It's important to understand the market and general economic situation we are in currently. I personally believe BTC has reached a point of diminishing returns. I don't think it will beat it's previous ATH. I think it will go up, but only to 80k or so, and will repeat a diminishing cycle until it settles around 15k. Then it may or may not keep inline with golds type of inflation. Let's hope I'm wrong though.

Prior_Parsley3960

summary for us lazy f's # What happened * Trump Media reported a **$238 million Q2 net loss**, driven largely by **$190.4 million in unrealized losses** on crypto assets and related securities. * The company says it will adopt a **more disciplined crypto treasury strategy** while refocusing investment on its media businesses. # How it works * Trump Media will maintain Bitcoin exposure but use strategies such as **options, lending, and yield generation** to manage volatility and earn income. * It increased its Bitcoin holdings to roughly **14,139 BTC** by the end of July. # Why it matters * The company is evolving from simply holding Bitcoin to **actively managing it as a treasury asset**, introducing both additional income opportunities and counterparty risk. # Bottom line Trump Media is **not abandoning Bitcoin**—it's shifting toward active treasury management after large paper losses while placing greater emphasis on growing Truth Social and its broader media platform.

immersive-matthew

Based on what assumption? Maybe 0.1 will be life changing or maybe 10 as no one knows. Picking 1 BTC as the target might do more to discourage than encourage.

read_more_comments

End of the Mayan calendar, they said 1 BTC is all you need

Unique_Pea2080

The funny thing is that people (mostly buttcoiners) laugh at this now, but they'll never be more than a couple million people with over 1 BTC cause the rich got a lot and they are HODLing.

Atmacrush

There were ppl telling me Saylor won't be selling anymore BTC after selling 32btc. I wonder where those ppl are now because I want to tell them "I told you so!"

dumbassretail

Why 1 BTC? Why by 2030?

lifestartswithL

next milestone would be 1% of BTC lfgg!

AAAdamKK

We can make it happen for real, I'll volunteer to get us started. I'll sell you 1 BTC for 6.4m right now.

AAAdamKK

We can make it happen for real, I'll volunteer to get us started. I'll sell you 1 BTC for 6.4m right now.

Romanizer

Not very lucrative as most vulnerable wallets only have 50 BTC on them. It wouldn't even pay for the investments. I would expect the first target to be names and addresses of foreign agents and spies and their communication.

Then-Praline2892

No life is fair it just teach you what you did not know - now you have more knowledge - do not toss in the towel work in your regular world get a stake and start small - move to options on S&P or similar BTC is way to volatile and there is not rhyme or reason - you are on the correct path do not look at this as horrid event it is a stepping stone to better world for you - also read lots of info on trading and even jot down what you thought the day would do then look back to see how often you were correct then use that info in small trades to grow your success best of good fortune

Kooky_Cucumber_7145

I’ve noticed something similar. I think there’s a psychological shift once you reach a BTC allocation that you personally consider meaningful. At that point, diversification and risk management start becoming just as important as accumulating more. I’m curious how others decide when an allocation is ‘enough’ and when to start directing new capital elsewhere.

Key-Second-2284

Sadly Meta and Google tend to allow China-based entities get away with these kinds of things for some reason. If I had a dollar for every ad I had disapproved because of their AI auto-deleting an ad because of some generic policy violation, I would have a lot of dollars. Ad networks do assume liability for whats get on their networks so changes are those who did lose their BTC from s phishing page probably could get their money back if they filed a lawsuit.

Forevererer

Listen to What Bitcoin Did, On The Brink with Castle Island, Swan Signal, Galaxy Brains… just stick with the GOAT but BTC

Big-Finding2976

In the UK we can't buy crypto ETFs in a tax-free ISA, so our choices are either buy BTC and pay tax or buy a company like MARA or MSTR in an ISA. A couple of SIPP (pension) providers let us buy crypto ETNs that are listed on the LSE, like BTC1, WBTC and IB1T, and there are some tax advantages doing that but we have to pay income tax when drawing down the pension, apart from the the first 25% of the pot which we can take tax-free.

Ms_TitAdorable

I'm mostly sticking to BTC and DCAing. Trying to time every move usually stresses me out more than it helps.

Greedy_Star9857

If you owned BTC, you probably wouldn't do anything foolish!

RLJ05

There’s nothing wrong with selling it needed to be done to prove to the banks and investors that the BTC is actually liquid and worth something

LionRivr

Strategy is buying BTC as a capital reserve asset. They take on the risk of volatility. And they issue securities that pay 10% dividends.

futurefloridaman87

Fundamentals? lol. There’s only one single fundamental in all of crypto and that is “finding some sucker to pay more for your coin that you paid for it”. With the exception of BTC, the polar opposite is true 99% of the time. The problem with crypto is anyone anywhere can do their own project/coin. There’s always something new. Tens of thousands each year. Nothing backing any of them besides Will someone pay more than I did? All the coins of yesteryear are forgotten and will never be hyped again.

JustLTFD

They were the ones pumping the BTC price from $20k to $120k on borrowed money. They are out of money. The game is over.

No-Reading-4384

Just lost 160 k on exodus BTC Not worth it getting scammed

NMoney007

The AI stocks are coming back to reality and AI agents will need crypto to interact and buy and sell things quick and easy. Also as more people use AI to make investment decision, more money will be invested in BTC given its performance over the last 16-17 years. AI has no bias just data and previous performance.

Hfksnfgitndskfjridnf

He banned me from MSTR and blocked me. Doubt he’s coming into this thread. Basically called me a troll for suggesting that even if you think BTC can grow dramatically in the long term that STRC had still be a drag on common shareholders. Which after only 1 year is already true. It doesn’t matter how much Bitcoin increases per year from here on out, the damage STRC has done to common shareholders can’t be recover. Common shareholders have lost Bitcoin per share because of STRC already and they are still on the hook for 1.2 billion a year. Bitcoin per share will keep dropping forever based on the STRC already issued.

NMoney007

He has gotten a ton of heat from investors and analysis so he has had to sell BTC to stack cash to show he can pay dividends for 32 months.

Turdfurgsn

100mil sold Same day BTC ETF purchases were 800mil Move on

TitanTreasure

BTC it's my life.

LinusVPelt

The fact they sold BTC means they are further away from failing.

iloverunning11

No because there are kids (huge part of that 8 billion) so exclude that part, exclude people who will never be interested in BTC and people who can’t afford to buy BTC also people who just don’t wanna invest in general (in US this number is low but in many countries around the world this is insanely large part of their population) all these people can easily buy BTC, but they don’t want to. Unfortunately there aren’t more bigger fools out there and you just f@&ked up your argument yourself. But who knows maybe folks who are interested in BTC will invest more (on average) during next bull run 🤷🏼‍♂️

Both-Garden-1612

BTC whitepaper is almost 18.

mrbourgs

Whatever. I personally don’t own any BTC, but whether you do or not, if you think the big boys won’t milk this again all the way to the moon and beyond, you are delusional. Multiple times, as well, for at least the next decade.

shsususysgwhwisuhdhs

Even if believe in BTC, there is no mechanism for MSTR to give BTC to the shareholders. The only way shareholders make money is if MSTR sells BTC and returns the capital to the shareholders via a dividend or share buyback. I don't see how they can do that without tanking the price below their average.

MC_SKWAIRD

Don’t ever tell your soon to be wife you have 1 BTC. Don’t ever tell anyone else you have 1 BTC. And after you read this message, delete this whole thread so no one ever finds out you have 1 BTC. Final step: buy another BTC

Yogurt_Careful

Simply the fact that people will want to make as much money as possible, so they'll rotate from stocks to crypto, as always. The cycle will continue as long as they make their 3x with BTC.

Rhaenys77

You are contradicting yourself. If anonymous early whales are no problem at all for the democratic "decentralised" freedom money for everyone then ehy should institutions be a problem. They also bought their BTC and at least there is a name and a face attached to them.

DepeletedDopamine

You are so retarded all that we have intended is that Bitcoin is money not cloud storage, can you upload photos and short videos to an e transfer or bank transfer? Nah you f**king loser. Now to what end do you want to upload the Lord of the rings with your BTC transaction?

deltamark_btc

rough afternoon for btc. two back to back high-volume 4h bars - the candle that tagged $63,800 was the biggest by volume i've seen in weeks, then bounced and the current action is very quiet by comparison. on the chart it looks like a classic capitulation flush. what's keeping me cautious is the small cap carnage today - some names down 60-70% which usually points to margin calls cascading and that kind of forced deleveraging doesn't always clear in one session. watching $63,800 as the line. hold it across a few more bars and the floor case starts to get interesting. lose it and i don't see much structure until low 60s. SOL has been outperforming BTC and ETH most of the day - relative strength is worth noting even if i'm not acting on it yet.

Doritos707

FUD. This is time to buy. Lets see your comment next time BTC passes 100k

Previous_Valuable873

The narrative since over a year now is that actual usage and usefulness (Privacy, monero) is what matters. At this point everything is a shitcoin, since institutions got their dirty little hands on BTC, that is also qualifies for one then. Look at the only coin that was gaining on BTC in the last 1.5 years and lo and behold, the only one people actually use as "crypto" as it was meant to be.... To be honest all those who haven't realized long ago that XMR is what all the BTC fanbois thought they are buying can just ride the train down to 10k no problem.

LeagueLost

I lost 6.8 BTC and I'm 52 years old. This is the worse financial hit I ever had and one probably that I will never hear from. I had my funds in my Coldcard Mk5. Its a devasting lost but I still have my health, family, friends a job and My Lord and Savior.

hkeyplay16

I don't think it will fail immediately. It will be a long, slow drop. To be honest they just need to hold onto most of that bag until it hits another all time high. Or are you saying that you don't think they have the BTC?

VendettaKarma

Nothing. Just BTC, ETH and SOL. The rest? Garbage

CarobBrave8898

BTC at 65k? Who would have thought it could go so low when it was first launched like 15 years ago. Panic sell everything, abort mission. We screwed up badly

didnt_hodl

he does not have to pay 12%. all dividends are voluntary, rate is set by him. the minimum rate is around 3% (risk free) he does not need to hold any cash either, that is also fully voluntary the idea is simple: you sell $1B of STRC. and that is a final sale. zero debt generated. no need to pay anything pack or to buy back. you just get $1B of cash. immediately buy $1B of BTC now, as long as BTC appreciates faster than the dividend rate that you get to choose, and faster than 3% per year on average., you are permanently ahead on that trade with the bonds you have to return what you borrowed. and the terms of the deal cannot be changed or altered after the sale. with STRC he can set the interest rate to risk-free tomorrow. he can also skip some dividend payments altogether. that's the difference

Elf_Maeve

lmao isn't the point of this dumb ass fund to buy and hold BTC? Isn't this the same as the fund dying? Should have sold at 120k if the plan is to play the BTC market lmao

CarobBrave8898

Hello, I am a Nigerian prince. My late fucker passed gas in an accident. He was the King Kong. I am now about to inherit one billion shitcoins but his last whistle was that I pay 100 BTC to prove my wrong and then he will realize the shitcoins. If you help me out with this little excuse I will confiscate your BTC and helpfulness by giving you a hundred million shitcoins. Sincerely yours, The Nigerian prince

big_deal

You can sue but if you win and get a judgement against them, do you really think Coldcard has cash or BTC to pay everyone back!? They would just go bankrupt. Maybe they could be charged criminally and fined or jailed but that’s still not going to make customers whole.

whisperedstate

Bitcoin in 10 years? So another three halvings, and quantum computers being much closer to reality? BTC will be lucky to be at current prices, and likely much lower than it is now.

hoppeeness

Utility of blockchains BTC may rise again as powers at be that now control most of it will pump and dump but it will be less and less over time. Its utility is waning. Actual coins with utility will disconnect from it and move on their own. Give it a year or two and the disconnect will start to be more apparent.

TheGDC33

Time will usher in a new narrative once we see more blood and then we will see it is BTC's time again to go up up up. Making money will be the narrative

UpDown

Yes, so BTC can go back to its true value, $800.

etaoin314

none of that has any reason to touch BTC/eth/ or any speculative crypto. So how does it help you make money?

LionRivr

If “major adoption” is major countries holding BTC as a reserve asset, then I’d agree. But “daily use” for day-to-day transactions is unrealistic in my opinion. Unless it’s on an L2 or something.

Azatis-

Iran war ends, BTC halving, Interest cut rates, AI frenzy cooldown to name some

Vipu2

Reddit says its bad when Saylor buys tons of BTC. Reddit says its bad when Saylor sells BTC. If Saylor does nothing for next few months its probably bad too.