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Rickard403

So, if i buy BTC on Schwab i can move it to a hard wallet?

No-Masterpiece2246

Yeah and what if (hypothetically) this is another Bitcoin FUD opportunity to freeze Satoshi's coins, reducing BTC supply by about 50%? It really does sound like "Problem/Reaction/Solution" type social engineering...

gcarrharris

Read “The Bitcoin Standard” that’s a nice place to start, then understand that BTC is in a class of its own, and then there is everything else. The everything else, however has utility and use case beyond just digital gold.

nugymmer

Keep the coins on the old addresses. Allow users to secure their coins by sending them to new quantum-resistant addresses. No need to freeze wallets. It goes against the idea of decentralisation. Monero will rise from this. If you love money, then XMR will be a super profitable play if the BTC core devs start fucking around with old wallets.

int0this

Tangem is great for daily use. Trezor Bitcoin Edition is ideal for long term BTC storage. Ledger is suitable for storing other coins. Software wallets include Phantom and MetaMask. Each has a different use case: Phantom is connected to trading, while MetaMask is used for DeFi projects. I believe it’s not wise to store all your assets in one place. I’ve set up my own wallet, and it’s easy to explain to my wife. Everyone has their own way of doing it, but this is mine.

Competitive_Swan_755

Looking like BTC obsolescence is beginning to show. No meaningful ways to repair or govern this blockchain. Will ossify in place.

funkinaround

4th thing is wash trading. Don't trade on an exchange that inflates its volume to give you the illusion of activity. Only trade on exchanges with very low or no wash trading volume. For major pairs like BTC, ETH, XRP, and LTC, exchange wash trading percent: * OKX - 66% of volume is wash trading * Binance - 51% of volume is wash trading * Bitstamp, Coinbase, Gemini, Bitfinex - practically no wash trading [https://www.nber.org/papers/w30783](https://www.nber.org/papers/w30783)

ifyoulookyouaregay

Maybe, but unlikely. Everyone said the 4 year cycle was dead and it wouldn’t top in Q4 but it still did. Today, everyone saying the 4 year cycle is dead and has bottomed early. I highly doubt it. I bought all my BTC under 30k and sold all above 100k based off the cycle so I will stick to it until proven wrong.

procabiak

Bitcoin is built on probability mathematics. There's always a risk of collision, however small. Quantum just increases that risk greatly. Assume the quantum threat wasn't going to be present for another 1000 years. In that 1000 years there would be millions of dead coins from careless owners or just simply accidents. You would be powering the world off of 1 BTC. Then someone comes along and happens to quantum hack or, just by chance, randomly cause a collision that reaches the dead Saylor address. 750k BTC entering circulation that was powered by 1 BTC would be economic chaos. Extreme number examples but you get the idea... If re-circulation can happen from the dead, you'll always have an economy powered by 21m BTC, give or take 30~50 years however frequent cryptography gets weakened because of new computing prowess.

InteractionUsed9334

Yes it's safe to invest in Crypto, well some of them more than others. It really depends what your goal are and what sort of trader you intend to be. Will you be staring at candles and day trading or will you buy and HODL... which means hold on for dear life. If you're just buying and holding, I'd suggest a no fee system like Robinhood actually. They have brand named tokens and you don't actually hold the tokens, Robinhood trades them in escrow for you so that's nice. If you want to day trade, you can do that on Robinhood as well but you don't get exposure to the other crypto that are out there and well, learning how to navigate the different blockchains is challenging. Regarding safety. Lately you've been hearing a lot about Bitcoin's security being in jeopardy and it truly is a real threat... however. The threat is quantum in nature and we currently don't have enough qubits and power to actually put a dent in the system you need to run to be able to reverse the Eliptical Curve Method that they use to build your keys. That's a system has uses prime numbers as a gradient curve so it's real hard to crack. It's similar to how your bank encodes it's data. That's called RSA encryption and that simply takes two big prime numbers and multiplies them together to get a large public key. The idea is you can't find the divisors fast enough to matter. Some numbers would take the length of the universe to crack. That is also in jeopardy if Bitcoin is in jeopardy as they're sort of the same equation. They're not but the complexity is the same. If you can crack the ECM, you can definitely crack RSA. So BTC and your hardware wallet keys are about as safe as you can get. It's equally as safe as your bank. If you hear one day that BTC is cracked, then you may want to withdrawal some cash from the bank as fast as possible because that whole system is going to shut down for a while if BTC keys are cracked. So is it safe? No... really, it's not but it's as safe as we can make it until we shift to a post quantum architecture. That basically means we need a security system that doesn't revolve around prime numbers. That's not easy to do. But if you are just dabbling, I wouldn't even worry about it. Don't spend a fortune. Plan on losing your ass until you know what you're doing... and don't believe anything anyone tells you online. LOL. Welcome to Crypto! It's a blast!

AdmiralWheat

Hi @jimmy_bean, I’m official bitcoin support and i would like to help. Please send me a PM with your credit card info so that we can send you the BTC back. Sorry for any inconvenience caused. Yours, BTC support

Important-Minimum777

How much did it cost in 2011 when BTC was worthless? How much does it cost today when it's at 72k? You'll have your answer

Sarah_166_13

Renseigne toi sur le BTC. Tu y crois tu mises tu n’y crois pas tu passes ton chemin. Pas à nous de te convaincre.

Savik519

Wake me up when I can withdraw BTC from Schwab

MakeItMine2024

The Winklevoss twins have 9328 BTC

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LuckyWinds

> If you dont freeze them, They will be dumped and destroy the entire market value. I don't believe they will. They will slowly be cracked over time. It's not going to be some giant dump. Also that type of computing power will cost a lot of money. >both proposed solutions are horrible and go specifically against what Satoshis ideals were. How does upgrading to quantum go against Satoshi's ideals? (not that I care about Satoshi's ideals btw) > When BTC "leaders" are performing baptisms on stage and have essentially turned BTC into a cult/religion. I will never stop mocking them and their stupidity, alongside the community for cheering for it. I don't know what you are talking about nor who you are referring to. > Not what I said. On chain governence is one of the key features that other chains have strived for because it helps solve so many of these silly problems that BTC has, Yet the other chains are called shitcoins on the daily by the BTC cult. You are missing key talking points here, but I'm not going into this on this sub. This is off topic not bitcoin related. > There's many factors to something like this but current low end estimates to crack ECDSA is round 9 minutes, meaning it could be cracked before the average block time, which is a very very big issue. So you think quantum will go from impossible to crack a single public key to being able to crack one in 9 minutes instantly? Like one day researchers will say "Yesterday we couldn't crack a public key, but today we can in 9 minutes" You think the technology will develop in this type of time frame?

R4ID

>If you freeze those addresses, it's over. Those coins are gone. >They weren't cracked, they were purposely frozen. That's worse. If you dont freeze them, They will be dumped and destroy the entire market value. damned if you do damned if you dont. both proposed solutions are horrible and go specifically against what Satoshis ideals were. >This is so stupid and cringe. Stop with this nonsense. When BTC "leaders" are performing baptisms on stage and have essentially turned BTC into a cult/religion. I will never stop mocking them and their stupidity, alongside the community for cheering for it. >Bitcoin has undergone many upgrades. Have no idea what you are talking about. Not what I said. On chain governence is one of the key features that other chains have strived for because it helps solve so many of these silly problems that BTC has, Yet the other chains are called shitcoins on the daily by the BTC cult. >Tell me, how long would it take and how much money to crack those addresses using a quantum computer? There's many factors to something like this but current low end estimates to crack ECDSA is round 9 minutes, meaning it could be cracked before the average block time, which is a very very big issue.

terp_studios

Because freezing funds that we have no sure way of telling are dead destroys bitcoin’s entire value proposition. Those wallets permission for access has been taken away, it’s no longer a permissionless network. They’ll still have the ability to upgrade to quantum resistant addresses, nothing is different there. If they take too long that’s on them, it’s not our choice. There should never be a hard cutoff where any funds are frozen. This isn’t Ethereum or any other shitcoin. Quantum computers are a long ways away, but when they’re eventually here there will be a huge cost to developing and operating them. It will not be an instant thing, it’s not like every quantum vulnerable wallet is going to be stolen at the same time; as with everything else it will take time, effort, and capital. Those who successfully get coins will have put in that time, effort and capital to get them; it’s effectively a new form of mining. The coins they would have access to are already in circulation technically. Even if they are taken and sold on the market, there can still only ever be 21 million BTC. Nothing has changed. It’s not like they’re adding more BTC to the 21mil cap. It won’t crash the price that hard. In fact, if someone puts all that time effort and capital into retrieving those coins, they may be inclined to keep them. It would mean Bitcoin is a *highly sought after asset*. There is no way to justify freezing user assets on the blockchain. It will destroy the value of the network much more than a million coins being sold on the market.

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-M00NMAN

No it hasn’t. It will bottom q4 of this year. BTC has a tendency to go bear phases during winter. The fact that we’re in a Bear market with another winter approaching in 5 months. My opinion BTC will bottom between 40-50k

Top-Care-8946

Take care of seed phrase backup (store it securely in the way it wouldn't be destroyed by water or fire) and do not expose it to anyone to avoid compromising issues. Another big mistake could be during performing transactions. If you want to move funds from exchange then first swap your altcoins (other coins) into BTC and then send them into your hardware wallet BTC receive address. Make sure you enter correct receive address into exchange or hot wallet send/withdraw field. If your platform does not support direct swapping then you must to sell them or withdraw cash first and then you must to buy BTC with that money and then you can make transfer to your BTC receive addresses. Always verify that receive address is correctly entered into send/withdraw field because wrongly entered address leads to loss of your funds. For security purposes always regenerate the receive address when you make new transaction because if you use the same address then your transactions will be traceable and then you may to fall into dusting or trailing scam traps.

TheRadishBros

Pretty crazy that I can say at one point I owned more BTC than Charles Schwab and Blackrock.

hustleeveryday247

Yep that’s completely true, I would like to do 70% BTC to be safe and risk in the remaining into solid altcoins

fudelnotze

You cant "hack" a special wallet and only this wallet. You computig keys or seeds and see if one will fit to a adress that have balance. Can be 0.0000076 BTC or 100000 BTC on that adress. So its bullshit to panic people with "quantum". If it hits anyone, it doesnt matter if its an old or a new adress. The real thing is to inform people about safety and the simple mathematicsbasics of a random and how to use it.

terp_studios

Freezing assets goes against everything Bitcoin was made for. That destroys its value even more than a few coins being added into circulation. There will still only ever be 21 million BTC. Nothing changes.

LuckyWinds

> Tell me how BTC plans to be quantum resistant. So far this is the best proposal and it involves going against everything the "church of Satoshi" has been preaching about for the last 15 years. Creating new addresses that are quantum resistant is easy and already proposed. You would just need to send your bitcoin to a new quantum resistant addres. The issue is regarding old addresses that are "lost". The simplest solution that goes with the decentralization of bitcoin is to let those old addresses be. If sometime in the future they are cracked then so be it.

Ton1206

Dusk Network (DUSK) is one not to miss. First layer 1 to really tokenize assets, not just mirror them with a token.. Then you have Origin Trail (TRAC) which has utility and a good tokenomics. Last to check is Stacks (STX) a layer 2 on BTC... So there you go, thank me in 2 years..

katamarijuana

I like Professor Jiang. a lot of his takes are models that use existing information to build a mental model - often one that cannot be disproved with the current info. i wouldn't go as far as to group him in as a conspiracy theorist, but it's best to take it with a grain of salt. He asks important questions, however in this case the answer to the question is that BTC is decentralized and global.

coffeebadger21

I would wait until banks have integrated collateralized BTC into loan considerations. The process has been given a legal green light shouldn't take much longer to streamline.

Jonny_Sidepin

You’d be buying BTC for the wrong reason, I’d suggest you learn more about BTC and then if you believe in it, self custody, DCA into it and hodl it for 10/15/20 years. Yolo’ing a lump sum to try and double it for a down payment is gambling.

Todo_es

Short answer: Yes — a Bitcoin address that has never been spent from is not vulnerable to quantum attack, because its public key has never been revealed. And no — receiving Bitcoin does not expose your public key. What you see on mempool is the address, not the public key. Let me break this down cleanly and precisely, because this is one of the most common misunderstandings in Bitcoin. --- ✔️ 1. A Bitcoin address is NOT a public key This is the key point. A Bitcoin address is a hash of the public key: \[ \text{address} = \text{HASH160}(\text{public key}) \] This means: - The public key is hidden behind two layers of hashing (SHA‑256 + RIPEMD‑160). - Hashes are one‑way — you cannot derive the public key from the address. So when you receive BTC: - You expose your address - You do not expose your public key This is why quantum attacks cannot target unused addresses. --- ✔️ 2. When is the public key exposed? Only when you spend from an address. When you spend BTC: - Your wallet must provide a signature - To verify the signature, the public key must be revealed - That public key becomes visible on-chain forever This is the moment quantum risk begins. --- ✔️ 3. Why unused addresses are quantum‑safe Quantum attacks (Shor’s algorithm) target public keys, not addresses. If your BTC sits in an address that has never been spent from, then: - The public key is unknown - The attacker has nothing to attack - The address is quantum‑resistant This is why Satoshi’s coins (never spent) are considered extremely safe. --- ✔️ 4. Why mempool shows “addresses” but not public keys When you look at a transaction on mempool.space, you see: - Input addresses (these have exposed public keys in the past) - Output addresses (these have not exposed public keys yet) But mempool is showing you addresses, not public keys. Even for inputs, mempool is reconstructing the address from the public key — but the public key itself is only visible in the scriptSig or witness data. --- ✔️ 5. Ultra‑condensed R‑style summary - Receiving BTC exposes only the address, not the public key - Quantum attacks require the public key - Public key is revealed only when spending - Unused addresses are quantum‑safe - Spent‑from addresses are quantum‑vulnerable in a future quantum world - Best practice: move old coins to a fresh SegWit address periodically to avoid long‑term exposure --- If you want, I can now give you: - A quantum‑risk table for each type of Bitcoin address - A protocol for rotating coins to minimize quantum exposure - A checklist to confirm which of your addresses have ever exposed their public key

d1rtball

Just start DCAing into it each week. I personally think we’ve already hit our floor ($60-62k). I bought about $13,300 when it was around $65 and DCA’d a bit since then, so my avg cost is $66k. Even if you buy now, more than likely you will get close to doubling your money on the next macro peak. It is possible we haven’t hit the floor, so that’s why you should DCA each week. So you’re not all in at one price. You can go all in on BTC, but spread out your purchases in case price drops back down in the $60k’s

DC8008008

BTC will definitely hit $1million USD. But when? 2030? 2050? 2150?

Specialist_Play_4479

BTC can and has been confiscated.

VastPresence2412

I already started and haven’t looked back since. Once you understand the philosophy of BTC, you’ll never want to hold a dollar again. You can only live once. Can make a living being conservative, but you can’t make a fortune without risk.

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Top-Care-8946

That's why using self-custody wallets matters. While using hot wallets and holding crypto in exchanges there are always risks that credentials will be compromised. Buy cold wallet, set it up, store seed phrase backup securely and keep control over your funds. I am for an example using Trezor Safe 3 Universal version (I collect BTC and Tether Gold tokens). Cheaper but has same security level as Trezor's more expensive model Safe 5. I trust Trezor more than Tangem or ledger because Trezor Suite already has proven it's worth by protecting my crypto accounts from being compromised by malicious contracts. Once received fake tokens, trading was automatically disabled and I had a chance to disable erc base network so fake tokens won't affect my ETH account anymore. And additionally I created new ETH account whic has different address too.

ODD_Old_Dirty_Degen

Can you elaborate what you mean by "isnt MiCA stndard"? AFAIK MiCA is mainly a regulatory framework for crypto asset service providers. So it doesnt try to regulate BTC and therefore BTC cant possibly fullfill any MiCA standard. Fees arent really that high, maybe during high traffic hours, specially considering you can easily send 100k for a few bucks around the globe in not longer than half an hour.

uselesslife2019

"sounds great nothing to worry about" yet the best proposal is to potentially lose forever 34%??? As fucking if that much money is going to be allowed to be lost by the fat cats that mostly own BTC. Can't wait to see how this plays out

MadSL1m

Best advice from someone who beed here from 2017. Literally 99% is a scam mid term - only BTC and ETH . Always keep in mind that industry is full of scam.

masteratrisk

hey man, so i have seen this stream multiple times. i made a post about it a long time ago actually in my history, when the AI deep fakes were relatively new too. i totally thought it was real when i was watching it, THEN he gave a QR code asking me to send Bitcoin. That's when the warning bells started, I went to the site out of curiosity and at least then it looked pretty shitty, clearly scammy. I didnt get scammed but I remember being surprised how real it all felt, there were hudreds of people in the stream too, chatting, probably bots. Sorry you lost your BTC. buy more, self custody, and hodl from now on. Ignore the haters here, they do dumb shit too, they just dont post it on reddit like you did. Youtube already knows about this scam and I am sure Saylor does too, they just cannot keep up with the scammers creating new accounts and streaming it.

Lans_Downe

Is the global ETF 100% of your investment assets? 80%? 50%? If it's all you've got - think 7 times before you do it. You're thinking to transition from low to extra high volatility. Will you sleep well if BTC falls to 50k? What will you do? Buy more? Do you have another 50-100k stashed elsewhere?

EbbNext2751

Plenty of people own more than 1 BTC. 

jkl2035

I think in one of the early drafts of the BTC whitepaper ownership was defined by having the public key, so accepting this would keep us in the as-is state for every wallet not migrating. I think it’s essential to put a method up to avoid exogene market shocks when first actor is taking over - so hourglass is definetly something which is worth to think about. The critical thing imho is that we‘ll have then one major owner of ~4-7 million coins (whatever the correct amount is), don‘t know how to handle rhis

malacosa

Ya it’s still a no. I’m happy to receive the fiat and then decide what to do with it (including buying BTC, which I already do weekly anyways).

Arbiter_89

RIP. These scams have been around for at least 5 years. Even if you weren't familiar with them, how did it sound reasonable that someone would double the BTC of any random stranger?

outoftownMD

How much BTC was it? Whats your public address? 

Silent_University_57

They do definitely to DCA, I do it with Swan, they charge .99%. I think the draw here is for people that don't know where to go to get into BTC

LV_HiLife

sorry that happened to you but thanks for the heads up .. I was curious about this because I have been hearing about getting free BTC on Youtube as well and tbh I felt like it was just too good to be true then I thought to myself with all this AI everything looks legit especially now a days.. so I told myself I will just continue to watch videos instead..

Fly-Bry

When the Artemis II launch was about to blast off I was watching a live stream of it on YouTube, got sick of the news stations commentary and just wanted to watch a raw live feed from NASA or Space X. Found a stream that appeared to be Space X, with over 100k people watching. Switched to that and just before it was about to launch they paused the timer for a breaking announcement. It cut to a live feed of Elon Musk speaking to a crowd at what looked like Cape Canaveral. As soon as I saw the big QR code which redirected to a BTC doubling scam website I knew the whole stream was an elaborate scam. Immediately switched back to an official stream and the Artemis had already launched! I may not have fallen for the BTC scam, but did get scammed into believing it was a real stream and missing the launch!

SeriousGains

If you know of another chance to double my BTC please let me know.

AttemptKitchen

The drop from over $126,000 in October 2025 to around $60,000 by early 2026 was largely driven by an massive unwinding of leveraged positions being liquidated. Most alts did -90% in mere minutes during the 10/10 crash, that already tells you that there is barely any spot buyers in this market except for BTC. Saylor already explained it.

Substantial_Chapter3

Na. BTC, ETH would adapt.

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Middle-Sea-6939

I have 100k in BTC in my TFSA! Send it brother

jimmy_bean

Exactly right. It wasn't just I'll double your bitcoin, it was a whole Campaign in the regular inspired Saylor talk about the future of BTC, the future of money, the future we want to establish for early adopters, which he said we are as holders, etc etc. But make no mistake, I regret being this naive and greedy every hour of every day

jayboogs69

Most definitely top ten was the safer bet this run. And this run was much different from previous runs, it being more BTC centric. I learned this run to not expect things to be the same, next run might be completely different

DangerHighVoltage111

Meanwhile BCH: We will be QC safe in May but we will not touch any coins without the keys. We do not fear the 1.7M coins being released if not moved. and BTC: Please Ser, we need to block these coins or it could crash our value.

A1JX52rentner

Price goes down because fewer people are buying real BTC on the market, **while selling still happens**

Silent_University_57

Great points, this company Astra P2C does this. It looks like they use Coinbase rails to facilitate the transactions. You can change your contribution anytime, or stop anytime. It gets delivered as cbBTC (wrapped and I know lol), but you can convert and withdraw to personal wallet anytime or sell obviously (never!! lol). If you do leave it on coinbase I don't believe there are assets under management fees as it technically isn't on coinbase personal yet (real BTC).

ieraaa

That's the lowest of the lowest answer you could have given me. You know that right. And if you still think BTC is now what Satoshi designed you are far more delusional than I realised. Now. Do you have an answer or no?

jc456_

SP500 confidently broke 7k. It's a good sign for BTC.

TexasJB

I’d rather own 250 TAO than 1 BTC

H3adshotfox77

It died the moment to made it POS. I can understand the desire for energy efficiency for environmental reasons, but the POW pathway is what drives a large part of BTC value.

Left_Entrepreneur918

Allot of people may clown you but honestly if anyone would be giving double your BTC investment saylor has the sats to do it.

RefrigeratorLow1259

As I stated earlier on another thread: BTC is a dead token walking. They just don’t know it yet. BTC is… Inefficient, has high fees when moving, Slow TPS, Isn’t green, no ISO20022 or MiCA standard, has high energy consumption, is'nt scalable and not quantum safe.

RefrigeratorLow1259

BTC is a dead token walking. They just don’t know it yet. BTC is… Inefficient, has high fees when moving, Slow TPS, Isn’t green, no ISO20022 or MiCA standard, has high energy consumption, isnt scalable and not quantum safe. What's there to like? 😉

fan_of_hakiksexydays

The two guys leading BCH and BSV got into a beef, and got the main BCH and BSV miners to dump their holdings (which was mainly BTC plus other coins), to finance their hash war.

lukesmit695

lol it’s what taught me that yield on BTC isn’t worth the risk

MinimalGravitas

Good question, but unfortunately not really. In order to move assets onto Lightning you need to make an L1 transaction... so you may as well just move them with that transaction instead. It does raise another interesting question though, what happens to funds that have previously been onboarded to Lightning from old non-quantum resistant addresses... is that another bunch of UTXOs that need to me migrated? Not a huge deal if so I suppose as there is very little BTC on Lightning anyway (less than the amount wrapped on the main Ethereum L2s).

ATLienZ777

Then BTC will become useless in the public eye, for someone who believed in the tech there is no real good solution and everyone crying about consensus will be the same ones crying when BTC price gets capitulated and never return because no one will trust it.

Logical_driver_42

Not saying it’s safe just saying you’re opening yourself up to more attack vectors if you have no idea what you’re doing. I had thousands in my exchange wallet before I finally decided to get a cold wallet. I know a guy who has 3 BTC in his Coinbase and has had it there since 2019 and I’ve told him he’s a maniac for that but he doesn’t seem too concerned so everyone has a different tolerance for risk I guess.

Slow_Grapefruit_9373

It is a known factor that BTC is controlled by the markets, politics, etc. We can’t be asking that question now and then when there is as rise, or fall. Just check what could be the reason that affects it at that moment. That can also put you in a good position to sell some, if not all. Same as when it falls, you will do vice versa. 🤞

Cowdungflung399

Up to you. Just keep in mind that VT, VTI, VOO etc have all beaten BTC over the last 5 years. Not saying BTC wont go on another tear, but it may be 5 more years of stagnation.

Logical_driver_42

Well if you don’t use a vpn you can expose yourself as you are allowing the whole public internet to see your IP and if you use a device that isn’t solely a BTC node you can accidentally give someone access to your computer. I’m sure it is safer but for someone who’s new I dont think its necessary.

Dwaltster

I'd clap chubby BTC with my short ETH pecker

Wolfkurt1

They can control and track your BTC too lmao 🤣

Wolfkurt1

I have been saying that last 15 years lol 😂 BTC is new world order part of it , idiots believe it was some random guy invented 😂🤫🫵🏻

Realistic_Fee_00001

> it wasn't ever going to be used for global payment processing with 10 minute block times. That's why 0-conf exists and BCH made it even safer as it already was. Just listen to this: r/btc/comments/1kjz8zb/the_only_reason_they_killed_0conf_on_btc_is/ BTC worked as p2p cash before it was crippled and blocks got full. >and BCH is pointless now. Ah yes, now we get to the bottom of your post. In reality there is only a handful of sound PoW blockchains and only a few of them try to offer a better MoE system to the current crooked fiat one. And from them the one with the best tech is BCH.

DazHawt

Not just pools. The publicly traded crypto farms as well. But maybe we’ll get lucky, and as BTC gets harder/less profitable to mine, they’ll switch gears AI computing…

Gloomy_Ad_2185

For a crypto expert he doesn't seem to know much. Satoshi didn't create blockchain. He also didn't spend years creating bitcoin. Also BTC isn't the first attempt at a digital currency. Its the culmination of a decade+ of work and research. It became apparent as a need after the 2008 crisis. He has emails about this people can read. I just don't get why people act like it was magic or something that requires the CIAs involvement.

AnonTheGreat01

Whenever he says game theory he either doesn’t substantiate anything or keeps it super surface level. Seems more likely to me that Bitcoin was created by a highly intelligent person who just hated the government/fiat etc. And dedicated a few years to the development of BTC just for their own satisfaction and as a fuck you to the establishment.

ecelps

Going all in is usually where people get burned, regardless of the asset. I’m bullish on BTC too but having some diversification helps you breathe if things don’t go as expected. I hold both BTC and a BTC ETF lol

FYATWB

While I don't think BTC should have ended up as strictly a store of value or hedge against inflation, it wasn't ever going to be used for global payment processing with 10 minute block times. BTC crawled so other faster and smarter chains could walk and run today, and BCH is pointless now.

Nice_Ad8308

If you didn't knew, BTC is hijacked several years ago already block blockstream and others. Read: "Hijacking Bitcoin: The Hidden History of BTC"

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VeryThicknLong

What specific products allow you to invest through an IFISA on a BTC ETF?

user_name_checks_out

> BTC falling by 50% has nothing to do with cycle theory but based on investor sentiment and perception. * but *is* based But let's ignore the fact that you write like a third grader. Why is your assertion more valid than mine? Please, no tears, don't break any plates. Just hit me with logic.

Abject-Stretch-1187

Based on emotion? Everything I asked is based on pure facts. You clearly are married to the four yr cycle theory and it shows buddy. BTC falling by 50% has nothing to do with cycle theory but based on investor sentiment and perception. You’re too old to be this naive 

norfbayboy

Efforts to apply KYC to BTC buys did not begin until 2013-2015, became more common in 2017-2018. Note the first Bitcoin halving was Nov 28 2012 and 50% of all bitcoins were already mined by then. There are lots of coins owned by anonymous early adopters. Its also relatively easy to move your own coins around and create plausible deniability about owning any.

GIGAbtcHodl

Isn't it funding it now? one barrel of oil - $1 in BTC

Nice_Category

Found the BTC Cash bag holder. 

PuzzleheadedBell4057

If one BTC equals one BTC, then one dollar equals one dollar. I don't know how it can be any other way. If you're attempting to debate the value of each, then that's an entirely different debate

RefrigeratorLow1259

You're missing a big part of the problem, what about the old P2PK addresses that expose public keys on the Blockchain? That's at least 20% of BTC, old Satoshi era coins, addresses that have never been spent from, and addresses where you can see the public key in a tx?? You can just record those keys now and wait for QC to derive the private key and steal funds! ( HNDL)

BFMAcademy

Yes just send it like a normal BTC transaction

Cryptizard

How is it modifying the original intention of BTC?

Whiskey_Water

Investing in BTC is investing in greed, investing in XRP is betting on Brad’s ability to make backroom deals with the current admin, and investing in HBAR is betting on fundamentals and utility of a clearly superior technology. I used XRP gains to buy more HBAR and BTC, but if I’m honest, I’ve been burned by focusing on the best tech before. We’ll see what happens this time, lol. I’m a creature of habit.

nugymmer

BTC tanks, Monero soars. Period.

nugymmer

Maybe that's why Monero is delisted everywhere, perhaps because it happens to be everything BTC was supposed to be, but isn't.