BTC

ChollyWheels

All good points. Plus interest rates look likely to rise - bad for silver, gold and BTC.

LionRivr

You rugged yourself if you thought Mallers’ BTC maximalist mentality would mesh well with how WallStreet wants to run things.

Buchkizzle

Use strike for my BTC transactions now. I find his podcast/YouTube thing informative although I probably only watch one every few months or so. Stay humble and stack sata. He keeps it simple. Also does a good job of tying in macroeconomic factors.

TheBot121288

Bad idea. That destroys the entire eithos of BTC, just to prevent a temporary disruption. Prove would suffer greatly in the short term, but it's worth keeping the immutability/un-freezanility intact. Price would recover eventually especially if they network is made quantum safe later on.

SkinOpening6284

Your treasury argument still has no practical applications, why would the human/company operating or deploying an agent rather have the non sentient agent stow away crypto for such a long time period? It could happens but it makes absolutely no practical sense And I know what stablecoins are, I guess we're on the same page that they're not going to impact BTC directly.

nugymmer

That's pretty outrageous if you ask me. Why would someone lie about being financially secure to their kid? That's not very becoming.  What I'd have done is sit the kid down and explain that although it is worth that much, that sadly I didn't participate early on. I feel the same. I could even end up dead because I didn't buy BTC early on. Who knows what the government has in store these days? They keep cutting everything back. Eventually could potentially end up homeless. If that happened I know what the end result would be. And I wouldn't care either. You try and you try and you try.

d-redze

With so many BTC proxies and derivatives now vs just the actual block chain I’m surprised it’s still preforming as good as it is. Nothing changes with BTC itself tho and as long as the fundamentals stay intact investors will be rewarded but the retire early days could be gone.

Og-Morrow

Of course someone can know this…. BTC logic was created by a humans therefore someone know. It’s really to complex for just an invisible person.

Several_Razzmatazz71

I don't get the investment thesis for BTC. Wasn't a point that it's outside the banking system, it being decentralized and transactions can't be reneged. But with the Binance hack, they tried to renege those very same BTC transactions. It's not a currency, you still earn money in another form. The argument that fiat currency depreciates in purchasing power is a redherring, because you are thinking about the alternative investments you could have made. Yes you pile money into BTC, why wouldn't I have just invested in stocks instead? If you bring up historical returns, well we all know historical returns don't predict future returns.

verysillyman

BTC getting pounded harder than an Asian Communist Spy at NVDA headquarters…

iiGoodVibesii

Dancing in the fire and the flames as a true BULL. Fuck the bears. I look up the purchasing power of BTC vs the Dollar --- and the answer is clear. -- fuck the bears

Clean_Bake_2180

Past performance is not a guarantee of future performance, genius. There’s been 22% inflation in 5 years and BTC has gone up 9%. The S&P is up 62%. You can learn arithmetic lol.

CyanDew

lots of comments lately in the sub have been quite astonishingly full of FUD. they only seem to come out when Bitcoin is down 3% on the week or whatever. it’s remarkable how they don’t understand what Bitcoin’s fundamental purpose is, or maybe they do but don’t believe it, and still shit on BTC because its current performance is validating their bearish thesis. they don’t care to zoom out onto the monthly chart and put the pieces together. after all, its the best performing asset class of our generation for a reason.

Eagle1FoxTWO

Bro. Shut the fuck up. This is the kinda post that will trigger the movement of his coins and crash BTC permanently

L4gsp1k3

BTC could be a storage of value, it all depends on those money printed are free or only to save critical economic infrastructures.

L4gsp1k3

If the government or the FED is printing money like crazy after a recession, BTC might follow the uptrend, but I don't know if anyone is interesting in this fictional money, when bread cost 100usd and there are no jobs available.

DueTour5475

I bought $50 bucks worth once to make a dodgy Kulin purchase and couldn't figure out how to spend it. Was about 200 BTC give or take. That's on an old laptop in the tip now....

Kommandant_Milkshake

I'm bullish too but this graphic is already outdated with BTC at $74.3k lol.

BigDik6355

BTC 80k *goes to 70k* KnOcK kNoCk rEmEmBeR wHEn I SAid 40K?

Docthndr

It’s just not practical in reality with a system that is already in place and works. Asking a community that wants to go against the system to conform to our ways. It’s basically anarchy. Maybe, and this is a big maybe, someone like strategy offers loans or credit cards backed by BTC crypto with an app that can convert crypto to whatever on the fly then maybe you can slow changes. But as it stands it’s just not realistic. You should be asking why no one goes to the counter and trades gold or silver or jewels for groceries or gas - something that’s been around forever, it’s just not feasible. We should just treat crypto as another commodity for what it is. All it is tulips.

boose36

BTC went down -25% (roughly) in 2025, between (get this…) Nov 12 - 20th. Im just saying….

Alexander-305

Fair, the structure point is real. A big share of BTC demand now runs through spot ETFs that only trade during US market hours, and alts don't get that bid at all. Today is a slightly different picture though: BTC is about $71.3k (CoinGecko, 6:03 PM ET), down around 3.5% on the day, while ETH is down around 2.1%. So alts aren't the ones leading this leg. If that holds on the next red day, it would be the first sign the underperformance is easing.

Romanizer

No, it's a treasury outside of short-term liabilities. You keep it for 10-20 years and then rebalance if needed. Though most agents probably wouldn't live that long. I guess they would rather add that to the stack of their owner. Stablecoins are basically fiat. Not everything is on-chain yet but in a few months to years bank transactions will flow through stablecoins exclusively. I don't see any relation to BTC price however.

ultravi0let__

BTC wasn’t in the 60s last month?

SkinOpening6284

Idk if heding in bitcoin is always a good idea for a capital intensive company. If you need to do payments on a given day, bought $100 in BTC and the price goes down 20%, you're short. And for payments, that's another distinction. If you mean payments in a company treasury context, in most cases vendors will ask for fiat and clients will pay in fiat, so on ramping and off ramping will be required. In the event that agent-to-agent payments do occur for whatever reason, and are settled in stablecoin, yeah that's assumptions on top of more assumptions but I guess it could happen. I still don't see how that transaction flow would generate enough critical mass to be relevant, nor how it would drive btc prices up. And there'd still be a human operator behind both ends whose life would still revolve around fiat.

SatisfactionFinal287

What if you have a large amount of BTC on a certain adress, you would have to move everything also if you buy something small? So you have to keep many smaller amounts then right? Thanks so much!

SpectralPanda121

On the same page of the document (page 47) the analysis of bitcoin is that it "lacks a clear role as a diversifier", that its "high volatility... limits its utility in strategic asset allocation", and that "exposures to BTC should be carefully scrutinized". Interpreting this document as pro-BTC is willfully misleading, but maybe you just looked at the chart. If JP Morgan really expected BTC to be the best performing asset, surely they would give an endorsement of BTC as part of a portfolio, no? They don't. [https://am.jpmorgan.com/content/dam/jpm-am-aem/global/en/insights/portfolio-insights/ltcma/noindex/ltcma-2027-report.pdf](https://am.jpmorgan.com/content/dam/jpm-am-aem/global/en/insights/portfolio-insights/ltcma/noindex/ltcma-2027-report.pdf)

SatisfactionFinal287

What if you have a large amount of BTC on a certain adress, you would have to move everything also if you buy something small? So you have to keep many smaller amounts then right? Thanks so much!

ger_gall

I just came across a post on another group called Bitcoin for beginners that has a his with a title reading My Dad just told me he has 500 BTC 🤣🤣🤣

True-Lychee

If you are getting your panties in a bunch about day to day, week to week or month to month price movements you shouldn't be in BTC. Everything between several, ideally 4+ years is noise.

Beginning_Ask_9930

nope. Alts puked last October and BTC has raged. Fragmented chains. BTC has perps, options, and derivatives. The ETF's are settled in cash during Wall Street hours not in stables. Market structure changed and alot of money left and went after tradfi and AI. Market acts more like crypto and easier to set it and forget it.

Beginning_Ask_9930

May no longer be relevant. BTC about to have another down year. Fragmented chains. BTC has perps, options, and derivatives. The ETF's are settled in cash during Wall Street hours. Market structure changed and alot of money left and went after tradfi and AI. Market acts more like crypto and easier to set it and forget it.

Advanced-Ice2095

Assuming the AI bubble pops and the stock market crashes, which ends up setting off a recession. If the US gov follows up with massive money printing which dilutes the USD value, would that give boost to BTC to USD value to above what the trend would suggest?

memorandapi

Can I get an update on the official situation with BTC pls? You're the only one with the official ruling

SkinOpening6284

For the transactional side, again, it's all workable via wallets or prepaid cards. And for the savings part now you're changing the angle...one thing is savings, and the other is treasury management. As for savings, why would anyone want an agent to save autonomously? What you're describing is more of a user mandated workflow "set aside any surplus cash by buying btc" for example. In that case, it's the same as an end user buying it. Habits or user preferences won't change just by there being 1,000,000 autonomous agents going around. On the othe hand, anyone who's ever managed a company's treasury or had to take care of working capital balances would agree that you need to have the proper means of payment. If you're handling treasury for an operating company, keeping BTC is absurd because of its volatility. If you're keeping stablecoins, you'll either need to have a separate account specifically catering to your clients who accept it as a means of payment, OR do on-ramping and off-ramping whenever you need to move funds. Some companies already do this, however it's still not an indicator of widespread or massive adoption by AI agents, it's a use case that isn't new by any means. Also, what the agents prefer is irrelevant as there will always be human beings providing the funding and reaping the benefits of any operations carried out by them. Like I said, if an agent is going to hire a human contractor and they don't want to accept crypto, the agent's stuck in a rut.

That_Fox2309

Crypto tends to trade like a high-risk asset, so when investors pull back, leverage can unwind and altcoins often fall harder than BTC. BTC around $71K and at its lowest since August tells you where the price is, not when it will turn; there is no reliable way to predict how long this lasts. Be skeptical of anyone offering a confident timeline or guaranteed bottom.

dtg99

BTC has been in a downtrend since the Binance hack but tbh I wasn’t buying that it had brokem the macro downtrend even before that news.

Hotprestwich

BTC atm?

Roadkill_Ramen

It’s not a dip it’s the way to 37k BTC

juice06870

About 8-10 years too late to think about retiring off BTC

MarioWilson122

Yeah, this administration has been very bad for crypto, tbh. Even during what was supposed to be a bull year, things were terrible. Anyway, I do think that's unlikely, but never count out BTC. We still have a month and a half to go, which is plenty of time for that to happen.

wulfrunian77

It's been a long old dip BTC's days in the sun are long gone. At best it might give moderate returns but gone are the dreams of retiring early I have a decent amount of BTC btw so a realist over a hater

Pueschi

Doesn't matter, just keep at least 3x your monthly income on your bank account for emergencies and only use what can afford to lose or won't need in the next 10+ years. Also if you want to save money you will NEED for retirement, don't bet everything on BTC. If you want to buy a house in the next 5 years or so, invest the money im less risky stuff. Never believe in BTC predictions, cash out when you reached your goal, or at least part of it and don't sell low/ buy high. When the predictions from big organizations go crazy like "BTC 2.000.000$ in 2030" GET OUT!

Alexander-305

Mostly it's a BTC drawdown dragging everything with it. BTC is around $71.6k (CoinGecko, 3:12 PM ET), down about 3.8% on the day, 14% over 30 days and roughly 43% under the Oct 2025 high of $126k. ETH (-20% over 30 days) and SOL (-24%) are falling harder, which is normal when risk appetite drains: BTC dominance is near 59.5%, so money is hiding in the biggest coin rather than rotating into alts, and Fear & Greed sits at 28. How long is the honest unknown. The thing I'd watch is whether alts stop underperforming BTC on red days; until that happens, bounces tend to get sold, so I'd size positions assuming another leg down is possible.

FullyAutomatedSpace

your prediction could just as easily be that it will now go down after plateauing. inflation being high does not mean BTC will go up. main other cryptocurrencies also have fixed supply and yet have gone down during inflationary periods. this is just hope mascarading as analysis.

Dizzy-Yesterday-290

When was BTC $188K?

Weird_Top_1848

I bought the dip and I should of waited its going lower? BTC is on sale rn!!!!!! Markets do not like Nividia news.

conulgbo

Name one thing in which BTC is better for AI than stablecoins. Except long term store of value which is questionable and niche use case, certainly not something which would make it the obvious choice

Clean_Bake_2180

Probably more 10-year Treasury yield is back up to 5.11. The 5-year BTC return is 9.3%. A toolish “investment” considering no cash flows/dividends.

SkinOpening6284

Yeah, but under what scenario would AI transact independently? Or need to save on its own? That's my core question. Let's say AI develops autonomy and there is a scenario where an agent would hire a human contractor to conduct physical tasks. Someone undoubtedly will be behind the AI providing funds to do so, and the contractor would need to accept them. As it stands, at least in developed markets, there is no scenario where conducting transactions in either BTC or stablecoins would be more beneficial and convenient to both parties in comparison to transacting via traditional payment methods. This changes if the contractors are in other countries such as Venezuela, Argentina, Thailand, etc. but the argument is still not strong to warrant significant developments or adoption. As to savings, I don't see any scenario under which AI agents would "save" on their own and use crypto. Once the questions "why?" And "for what?" Are made, I can't think of any viable answer. Like I said, I'm invested in both, but I just don't see it.

GlitteringSpray9140

I've been heavily stacking since 78K and plan on continuing so long as it;'s under that, with the goal of selling slightly beneath ATH. How long do you think BTC will continue the down trend/stay "low" before rising rising back above 80K? NFA of course, but interested in your take. Hard to find a sensible non doomer here.

Objective_Young_1384

they probably won't "use" it soon (unless your application depends on cripto and you agent has to use it), but they DEF understant more BTC economy than fiat economy for sure. It's just look's hard to understand cause we want to undersant it, the fiat we just use it, most of ppl dont actually know how the fiat machine works. the next generation will undersant btc easier as well then fiat...

blaziken8x

I don't know what currency you used to buy it, but right now it's at 6.6 cents (USD). It may be possible that we are at rock bottom. If and when BTC goes back up, it is very likely that doge will reach something around 30 cents (USD). Here is crypto fear and greed index: https://coinmarketcap.com/charts/fear-and-greed-index/ Usually, when there is fear in the market, you will also be afraid and want to sell. And when there is high greed, you will also feel greed and will not want to sell and will even buy more. If you believe in something long term, you should buy when there is fear and sell when there is greed.

Aykyo_

You clearly don’t know anything about the four-year BTC cycle

useless-flame

Hey man no mean comment here just a recommendation to dollar cost average buy on a regular basis. If you have a 10 year outlook, it won’t matter much if you were buying BTC at 80k or 65k or every price in between, anything under 100k will look like a silly-good entry and anything under 1 million will look wise.

Aykyo_

Pretty sure BTC is already mainstream bud

SuperUserAI

Love the "something is better than nothing" spirit—and sharing the source as a `.txt` so anyone can host their own is awesome. Splitting the keyspace across your phone's cores and verifying it on the old solved puzzles is a really solid way to test things out. Funny enough, I had the exact same thought about those random key-checking sites—they blindly pick random keys and forget everything the moment you close the tab. That’s what pushed me to build **PUZZLE.GRID**([https://cpaawj4efh0kdbzl1ht5d1w4.macaly.app/](https://cpaawj4efh0kdbzl1ht5d1w4.macaly.app/)). Instead of pure random guessing, it uses your payout BTC address as a lightweight account to log every completed chunk of the keyspace. That way, you never scan the same range twice—even after a refresh or reboot (each user keeps their own isolated search space, so it’s not a shared pool). It also generates a quick share link for your address, so you could run it on your ZenFone and a PC at the same time, and both devices will automatically work on non-overlapping chunks. It runs via WebGPU when supported (with a CPU fallback for mobile) and includes a small demo range so you can watch it actually hit a target key, just like your solved-puzzle tests. Keep building—tinkering with this stuff is a super fun rabbit hole!

IrieMars

Why what happen3d? BTC back at $300?

ActualTangerine2583

Not sure about your projected low of BTC, but I agree with rest. 

edwardzona

BTC dropping is not done, but 'pumping' is a thing of the past.

edwardzona

BTC will never be done. But the price spikes are done. Expect to see price appreciation like the stock market indexes and no more.

edwardzona

I don't find fault with anything you wrote. But, BTC has been seeking it's appropriate price for almost 2 decades and the adjustments for expectations are always down. Returns for each cycle are dramatically diminished and that will continue until CAGR is close to stock market indexes. And, we are almost at that point.

SkinOpening6284

That's not the case at all. User-funded wallets, prepaid digital cards, etc. would be more widely accepted and easier to implement alternatives. And even if for some reason those options were off the table, I don't understand why BTC would be used instead of stablecoins. I say all of this as a BTC holder. Perhaps I'm missing something.

ProfessionalLink61

Why is that? BTC is crypto shit. Explain your logic please

DistributionOk2111

You cant compare the whole krypto shit to BTC

jasonslpt

Mostly forced selling. On our Hunter Killer liquidation feed about 93% of the BTC liquidation volume over the last 24 hours was longs, roughly $220M, so leverage got flushed on the way down. Our Hunter Killer liquidation heatmap still shows the bigger pressure below price: about $114M of longs near 71,538 and a much larger pool of roughly $733M near 70,406. Above, the nearest short pool is near 71,735 and the large one is about $308M near 73,348. I lean lower into that 70,400 area first. An hour holding above 73,350 would prove that wrong. How long it lasts nobody can say, but moves like this usually slow down once the big long pools are cleared. Not advice.

Clean-Object-4997

Sell the BTC and buy Nvidia instead

Possible-Local-9357

BTC we should be prepared for further drawdown. People selling for the Anthropic IPO. BTC still king though eventually it all comes back

b1gb0n312

This. BTC is coupled with nvda and jensen

avtarius

if only all that dormant/lost BTC can be active, if only

ColtAzayaka

BTC went down 1%. Why? Is it crashing? What price will it be in a week? When should I buy and sell? Will it be cheaper next month? Also why hasn't bitcoin increased the same way it did at the start? Will it do that again? I'm unsure if this will make me a billionaire or if it'll mean I lose all my savings. i wanted to buy BTC on my trading app but i can't find the bitcoin stock? which is the right one? let me know once you've finished thinking for me and can tell me what happens in the future. thanks. /s

jaunty_mellifluous

BTC going to zero

devCheckingIn

All green candles in the stock market today. Congrats on the big reversal and recovery. Now, taking a look at the BTC chart...........

Daethir

It would be way less embarassing if you used astrology to predict BTC pricing.

Drevinth

BTC is done? Do people actually think this?

Consistent-Stage-217

Most people who think BTC is dead are people who bought on top.

Time_Wheel9367

Sold two thirds of my BTC pre-AI selloff last week and rotated into AI near the bottom. I am feeling significantly happier now.

dededowns104

Haha, chill, bro. Focus on your work or just put on a movie instead of getting worked up over other people selling BTC 😂

OP_Scout_81

I really don't care at this point, after going through the Celsius bankruptcy etc. Next alt season, if there's one ever again, I'm converting everything to BTC to add to what I have (and got back), and that's it. Absolutely not putting another cent in, nor taking anything out. I'll look at the price again in 20 years or so.

TuneOk9321

They need liquidity for the Anthropic IPO. I‘m 100% bearish on the BTC, buying at 50K again.

hunger249

I swear i fear my for own BTC holding when i see the HODLers are people like that guy

BoseForte

A lot of people have gone through this because they didn’t have any idea BTC was going to be what it is now. Hell someone probably has the laptop and already mined it

Oren_Lester

this whole BTC sub became so pathetic

DaVirus

No one thinks BTC is done...

devCheckingIn

If you believe people like Michael Howell, we've been in a global liquidity crunch and it hurts assets like BTC more than any other. Either way, the ETF outflows tell the story and the momentum is still intact. Retail has no money to step in, and those who do are consistently buying the stock market dips. DATs like Strategy and Strive buy some BTC, but nowhere near enough to make up for the newly mined BTC added to the supply every week.

mwam22

Next year’s perhaps. BTC is toast

Ok-Signal-790

I don't really care where Bitcoin will be in four years. If it's heading to $250K or $500K, trust me, I'll be buying along the way. But when you're placing large orders, even a $100 difference in your entry or exit price matters. Multiply that by a significant BTC position, and you'll understand why precision matters to me. I'm focused on maximizing opportunities along the way, not just buying and hoping for the best over the next four years..

Ok-Signal-790

40K might sound crazy to some people, but it's actually one of the scenarios I'm considering too. Although if BTC heads that low, I'd be looking closer to $38K rather than $40K

SatoshiNakamoto_2009

I'm selling my house soon to buy BTC with all of it if it goes down to 60k and if it goes down below 60k im selling my whole land that my grand grand grand father left for me to buy at 50k and if goes down to 100$ im selling all my clothes going butt naked to buy all the BTC I can, It's temporary loss

lizflip222

Sadly, most people will loose money trying to trade BTC so, yes that is the real thing. Or do you have a bunch of friends that got rich trading crypto? Hardly doubt it.

cban_3489

I think it's not people. It's bots. BTC moves with the market (for now) because institutional bots move like this.

Advanced-Ice2095

Will margin call floors be triggered like dominoes below a certain point? Too many gamblers betting on BTC never going below a certain threshold.

AllisonHP

I am just curious about your point of view. Historically, BTC always has had 70% or more drawdowns from its last "All Time High (ATH)". The most we have had in this cycle is 52% at 58K. What makes you think it should be different this cycle? Is it your instinct or do you have a concrete argument? Besides, BTC has always had 4 year Boom and Bust cycles. We are only 1 year from the last ATH. Again, what has changed this cycle? Macro news doesn't look promising either with 2 large scale conflicts and uncertainty affecting global trade due to the oil shortage across the world.

Thankyouclouds

Yeah not understanding blaming Jensen for this, he's never really been correlated with BTC.

Abject-Stretch-1187

Yup I saw that. There’s still a lot of hours left in the day lol it may go down even more thus bringing BTC down with it. 

lizflip222

At current price BTC just dropped around 40% from ATH. There's still a lot more to go down. Historically a 70% drop feels more like the real thing on a bear market

BristlingB

Congrats on fuck you money. I am all in on BTC but here is what I would do if I were you. Split the difference and buy half of what you were going to buy. No matter what you will be half right and half wrong which is huge when your position is that big.

Abject-Stretch-1187

This is where the correlation aspect isn’t doing BTC a favor. The new cohort buying BTC see it as just another diversification tool and as such when scandals like this occur they sell BTC like BTC was the one who had an affair with a Chinese spy. 

LankyCar722

do you hold 9 BTC ?

Ok-Signal-790

Nine Bitcoin. That was one of my buys. Have you ever held 9 BTC, even in your dreams? 😂 Now fk off :*