BTC

watch-nerd

Took profits Nov 24 to Jan 25, sold about half of position. Still in the green, average BTC price is 45k.

InternalManner230

When you use your credit card, it's no physical currency. BTC is super inconvenient to use due to long transaction durations. And the reasoning behind your last sentence (yet very common among crypto fans) is flawed. It's like buying plastic Visa cards when you think Visa transactions are the future. Just two different things.

Innodiablo

If you zoom out and look at BTC, it’s pretty clear the 4 year cycle is a thing. For alts seemingly not….

Bitter-Entrance1126

Always have extra funds. The money invested in BTC shouldn't be one you need in a near time

stellarfirefly

If you *must* sell one, then sell the GOOG. It is near its local top, while BTC is near its 6-month low. But if at all possible, borrow against your BTC.

Suspicious-Holiday42

I hope they won't come for my 0.01 BTC

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TheGreatCryptopo

Ah crap, this guy spouting off gonna send BTC sub 80k.

Quirky-Reveal-1669

Sell? Never BTC.

dreamingfighter

What do you mean? Stablecoin is a representative use case of altcoins, which people can use to transfer money to anywhere worldwide instantly and with little fee. Say all you want about BTC, it just cannot accomodate that use case (transaction time is longer, fee is higher). Smart contract is another use case. I can agree that most altcoins are trashed, built to take advantages of the greedy but uninformed people. But altcoins have their very important use cases and will stay relevant because of that. It was your fault for not doing the evaluation to see what price is reasonable for one particular coin. It was also your fault to buy at the very top thinking it will go up. In that regard, coins are very similar to stocks on advanced markets.

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To_k

It’s a mix if high privacy, decentralisation and programmability. There are only a handful of PoW coins out there, Bitcoin being one of them, but they each serve a different purpose and have pros and cons. Coins like BTC lack privacy, are slow and outdated, and can’t accommodate for dApps and smart contracts well, same with most other PoW coins. PoW is fundamentally stronger than PoS both in transaction verification, and achieving true decentralisation. But Ergo offers basically mix between Eth and BTC while staying true to the idea of decentralisation. On top of that you can have optional privacy which other PoW are specialised in like XMR. Fees are also low on Erg which is a massive bonus. Rosenbridge, literally bypasses needing the use for CEXs, which is a major reason why these main coins get so corrupted by VCs and market manipulators. There’s a lot more to it, and I’m not an expert like some others, but the tech is really impressive and novel. Just because there are a lot of other cryptocurrencies, don’t let that discourage you from searching for coins that are helping to expand the tech and build on the crypto ecosystem. Even though YOU might not care about the tech now, the reason why BTC is here in the first place is due to that tech, and the philosophy of it.

whathiron

Yeah that’s true I guess. For me I do all my BTC buying/selling (well, rarely if ever selling) on an exchange so my transactions are all easily tracked, then move it to my cold wallet. I figure the gains will be easy enough once all the numbers are added up. lol, or maybe for the accountant at least 😄

FromtheBigO

What else do you suggest to be an a successful portfolio if you don’t mind me asking? I fully believe in BTC, and I am not going to stop DCA’ing any time soon. But I also wanna play both sides, and get myself into mainly ETF/mutual funds, etc. but basically something going to bitcoin and then also something going into a diversified portfolio working with NYSE.

BQbaobao

Thought it was based on closing CME BTC1! On Friday evening compared to where it opens Monday? Which in itself confuses me because I thought CME futures open Sunday night. Can’t ever find a clear explanation of how people are calculating it and happy to be enlightened.

nezeta

WTF. Gold's market cap is 16x that of BTC. It sounds like BTC has been underrated lately.

117Reclaimer

Thank God the Burgers pumped BTC from 80K to 88K after crashing it to 80K from 126K /s

namieorange

There arw plenty of quantum resistant coins. Many more will be ready soon. BTC receiving an attack will kill the whole market, it is irrelevant who can resist or not. Nobody cares about other coins, they're just byproducts of BTC movements, and that's coming from someone heavy in alts

holyknight00

you are just proposing swift with extra steps, the whole purpose of bitcoin is to not rely on external third parties for transactions. It would have nothing to do with BTC, at all.

callmebatman14

I bought plenty of shit in 2018 that never recovered. I should've bought BTC instead

callmebatman14

Did BTC reach 1k in 2013?

CyberCrud

Too much institutional money in BTC now for that kind of drop.  Maybe sub $70k.  I could see $62k bottom.  Maybe $59k.

Notrustjustverify

My main account is private, I don’t share it with jerks.  And yes I live on the BTC standard unless government slaves like you.

Equivalent-Bear8030

Not a dead cat. If you zoom out a bit, BTC already showed its warning wick into the low 90Ks before the real dip into the 80K range. That was the liquidity grab. Structurally we never lost the higher-timeframe trend. OI didn’t nuke because smart money wasn’t positioned for a breakdown. This looks more like a classic sweep + reset before the next leg up, not exhaustion. BTC’s next meaningful move is still upward unless we start closing below the mid-80s

Putrid_Fruit4606

I think they will sell BTC

Enochian-Dreams

BTC is back up to 90k from 80k. What “melting”? Yeah that’s why you DCA and don’t trade on emotion. This is one of the first things people learn in terms of investing versus gambling. If you aren’t automating, you’re not even serious.

ScaleWithPiyush

For me BTC’s swings are normal; emotional decisions usually cost more than volatility itself.

energetic_one

It's a DeFi loan. There are crypto platforms that are set up for DeFi. Bitcoin secures the loan. You get the money to use for your needs and you pay it back when you desire to. There is no interest. It's not a normal loan. I'm pretty sure you need to wrap the BTC before borrowing against it. You keep your BTC, and get the money you need to use. If you do not pay back the loan, you lose the BTC that secured it. The wealthy do borrow against their assets allowing them to hold their positions and have liquidity at the same time.

energetic_one

Bank is not involved. DeFi operation, you borrow and use your BTC as collateral. I've not done it x so can't explain it well. Look up Bitcoin DeFi loan.

Broken11979

Agreed, why not show the chart from 2011 to 2025 ,how BTC has outpaced the S&P 500.

FeelessTransfer

Business cycle has been stretched to 5 years so has BTC.

Mysterious_Crab_7622

Nah, the writing is on the wall this time. Economy is going to shit and BTC will crash before the economy does because people will sell to pay for food and rent.

el_rico_pavo_real

Remember, they don’t want you to hold BTC. They want to shake you out.

Street_Outside_7228

If it implies no volatility, BTC will still outperform it in terms of value gained.

devCheckingIn

>with diminishing returns comes diminishing losses In theory. But if a lot of OG whales unloaded BTC and the people invested through ETFs bail out because they don't like their returns and all these treasury companies go tits up, it's possible it could be quite the drawdown. One could argue the drawdown % would be the same, but we're coming down from a much lower high (%-wise) vs other cycles.

ScaleWithPiyush

Putting €1M into BTC is a big swing, so the path depends on your appetite for custody risk vs. convenience. ETFs are simpler and regulated but add fees and middlemen; self-custody gives you full control but demands operational discipline. • If you value simplicity and institutional rails → ETF. If you value sovereignty and are willing to secure it properly → exchange → cold wallet.

Refuse_Kooky

BTC 'crashed' from 106k to 75k in the first trimester before hitting 126k in October. The surest way to deal with the fluctuations has been to hold.

Dark_Raiden_

You can take one positive out of this - we are seeing more and more signs that the 4y cycle theory is obsolete. (Broken timelines, broken expectations, ATH before halving, top into apathy instead of euphoria). While the 4y cyclists are expecting -70% because *checks clock*, they are ignoring the crucial fact that BTC is trading in a tighter range, and with diminishing returns comes diminishing losses.

Legitimate_Cry_5194

No you are not crazy, you are just an amateur and lack knowledge. Also don't open a discussion with "change my mind" because it's silly. That's not how it works dude. BTC's price isn't preprogrammed to follow a price pattern to make your ass rich. Halving IS preprogrammed and it does affect price, but there many other parameters that have a much bigger impact on price direction and every subsequent halving has less and less of an impact also. People thought that ALTS were preprogrammed to moon after BTC stabilized while on a bull because that's what happened after all previous cycles. Didn't really worked out for them.

Obvious-Oil1657

Do not underestimate humans appetite to launder money through BTC.

xTooGoDLy

I started buying ever since it dropped below 100k im not buying thousands a day but I gave my self a challenge that every time I get a notification that BTC has gone lower I buy $50 and if I check the app BTC is lower than even I check it last I deposit 20$ and buy more. I don’t even have 2k invested yet in BTC but I am going to beef up my investment the lower it goes

Obvious-Oil1657

S&P500 most probably cannot reach 7,000 by year end because it will be lower than 6,300. BTC will be 65k n altcoins will be left with 10-30% value from previous ATH. Just hodl.

SilverKing006

Some of worlds largest Pension Funds, and Black Rock, JPM, Vanguard have all invested in BTC ETFs, Microstrategy, this past year, I guess for once the "Smart Money" will be holding the bag? Or do they see where the Ball or Puck is going to be 10 years from now, when BTC is 2 million per coin....There is ONLY .002 BTC per person on the planet.....point , zero zero 2.....let that sink in.....getting it under 100k seems like a gift from God at this point....

Salty-Ad6128

BTC to 15k

Calm-Comfortable3308

I think BTC is still extremely undervalued IMO

Glittering-Praline59

I think the idea of crypto as being outside gov control driving its growth is flawed, in general ot is gaining legitimacy and this relies on policy support and vested interests of powerful people. its unfortunately how the world works. there are a lot of powerful people who have vested interests for crypto to be adopted, and there is a legitimate use case for crypto. BTC is a good bet goven its utility value in the crypto space as a store of value.

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tungfa

Tao: what are u talking about ? all fine here ; ) as usual, markets dump and everybody starts bitching (in any coin) about prices only because people do NOT understand the tech behind it. same with all altcoins (or even BTC), do your own homework, understand what u are investing in and WHY ! don’t listen to Social Media “influencers” (they are all just pumping their own bags)

bbatardo

I'm invested in BTC and want to see it go up, but until it can pass a resistance zone around 88.5k I won't celebrate anything. 

Filmexec21

It is actually $11 worth of BTC.

To_k

This. I love it when people act like BTC has some sort of technological edge compared to alts 🤣

theStoic-1

This is probably the most sane comment I've read recently about BTC. Emotion is driving wayyyy to many bad decisions and fueling panic selling

massn87

While I'm sure long run it will go up, these kinda posts are hilarious. 11 months ago OP was posting about BTC for beginners and now they're an expert in price prediction. Too funny.

loupiote2

This is post is repeated in multiple subreddits... Software wallets are unsafe by nature, because the seed phrase (that they need to store and use, e.g. to calculate addresses and sign transactions) can be captured by malware. The only safe option is to use a so-called hardware wallet or hardware signer (like a ledger, trezor etc). Now, the front-end that is used with a hardware wallet does not matter much. Ledger offers one called ledher live (now called ledger wallet) that supports many cryptos, but does not have advanced features like other, more specialized ones (like Electrum or Sparrow for BTC, Rabby or Metamask for ETH and EVM compatible networks, rtc). It's a matter of personal.preferences.

uduni

U are wrong. Tons of people choose BTC over SP500 because they dont want to fund the military industrial complex, or big oil, or big ag, etc. Thats a protest

coffeeshopcrypto

No. Ur theory is correct, but it doesn't apply to real usage. Sticks are traded in billions of transactions per second. BTC is not. This is why it diesnt and won't move for the same reasons stocks will. U need to think less (common market psychology)

Lyleadams

I know a few nurses, many elections, and one line worker. All of them want to be paid in USD. They have zero interest in being paid in BTC.

LinusVPelt

He thinks "BTC will bottomed"

BTCwarrior

1. Most of the people telling you 'it's different this time, it's going to (increasingly low number)' or It's different this time, we're going to (astronomical number)' are all scammers and click bait artists. 2. This OP is no different. 3. Always invest in a way that will let you sleep at night. My best rule of thumb is when BTC is pumping and all the youtuber line-on-chart drawers are saying we're going to a (stupidly high number), I take a bit of profit and leave it in cash. When the worm turns and BTC drops and those same idiots are screaming that it's going to (absurd low prices) I buy back in. Watch the fear and greed index. This is a SLOW play. Sells and purchases are over months and years, not days or weeks. I do NOT try to time the top or bottom (I have done, it's a stupid play). This DOES seriously limit my upside (and downside). On the other hand, I just need enough to live comfortably through my later years, not be a burden to my kids, and leave them a nice chunk.

richardto4321

The people calling for 30k BTC.

eleetbullshit

There’s also institutional investors buying BTC every time it drops below certain thresholds, so I can’t imagine it’ll drop too low for too long. With quantum encryption being necessary pretty soon, BTC seems to be one of the safest from a QRE transition standpoint. Sold all the ETH and ETH-derived tokens in September, because I don’t think they’ll be able to survive quantum computing.

Astronut38

Back in the early 2010's BTC was a movement against fiat. Now its just an investment vehicle and always will be until it eventually shuts down when the first person/team hacks it with a quantum computer and renders the blockchain useless. BTC has long ago changed into a way for big bucks hedge funds and investors to get that bag.

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Easik

You shortened the quote... It's about a 50/50 odds of a Santa rally. You know what I said next? That the market gets obliterated. We have a coin toss to make a short term play and a guarantee that BTC is below $80k by the end of January. That sure sounds like a pretty clear direction and opinion. Thanks for that quality reading comprehension.

sssssseeeeee

When will you stop gambling and just buy BTC. Do the math on when you first sold, holding or dct would have made you more 

Choobtastic

What a wonderful item to be on sale!! BTC is on a bit of a discount, I’m buying more!!!

namieorange

If Qday comes and BTC is not ready, Nothing, NOTHING in the crypto market will hold. It will be a massive panic sell off, that will take ages to heal Hopefully BTC upgrades will be ready by then

SnideyM

Jesus fucking christ, the headlines in this sub. Has anyone "slammed" someone else about the price? Has anyone predicted $1m BTC again? I think I've had my fill, it'd be nice to get some actual decent information but might just unsub at this point.

devCheckingIn

BTC.D going up means these prices aren't going to hold IMO.

panthera_N

if i was super rich: i don't care about BTC if i was rich: i hold BTC and don't care about the price i was realistic: look at the 5m chart and have a heart attack

Tall_Run_2814

If Bitcoin had the same supply as Amazon has shares BTC would be trading at like $100 right now. Because BTC has a max supply of 21 million coins theres no end to how high the price can actually go. In traditional markets when a stock price "appears to be too high" company execs do stock splits to increase the supply of shares thus lowering the share price to attract novices that don't understand math. People who get basic finance understand that you should be tracking the market cap not the price.

AgnewTheModHamster

CME Futires open in 30 minutes and BTC (and other crypto) trading well above Friday settles.

Sector__7

They should’ve modified it to say that bitcoin closes the month of October with good gains. Yes, it hit an ATH but closed the month in the red which is the point they’re trying to make along with you can’t use prior metrics as BTC hasn’t behaved this year as it has in prior years before ETFs were created. Personally, I wouldn’t be surprised if we hit some new highs in the next few months with possibly having that parabolic pump that we’ve been expecting.

vdchld

What exactly do you mean? Buying 0.22 BTC prior to the dip?

Lumpy_Attitude893

Just because everyone is still listening the Dinosaurs of our Market. BTC IS future and it's definitely not in there interest to see it grow. They can't charge you a fee .

MENINBLK

I've been watching BTC all day and it has crossed $88k a few times today. I think it will slowly recover it's losses.

Objective_Digit

> BTC never will have more than 5/10 its market cap. Says who? Who's trading gold for Bitcoin? Are they even a trading pair? If you were right, why does that mean 120+k was the top this time?

hyper24x7

This is great advice - if you can afford to spend $10 on eating out then you can invest that much into anything crypto or stocks. If you really shouldnt be eating out and you are then no amount of investing makes sense. Get a budget first and manage your costs then invest. If you have $10k in credit card debt it doesnt make sense to try and cancel that out by investing in crypto / BTC.

Medium_Change4574

If you can afford it, hold the alts and still buy BTC a few months into the bear market, at least that's my plan.

Consistent_Panda5891

Wrong. Max BTC value within 10Y is 270-330K value based on GOLD market cap. BTC never will have more than 5/10 its market cap. What makes most sense for MM is dump it max they can to profit both downside and also upside. I might not know much about crypto but yes short selling. Experience with the most shorted stock, smci. And BTC doesn't has any protection against short selling such as keeping around x80 amount you short sell in cash or other assets reserved for covering shorts which law uses to avoid massively short selling on stocks. Expect some relief rallies during downside of up to 15K but won't last much

Lasatra_

I've been thinkin of selling all my lower cap coins (top 20-100) and put a buy order for BTC at a lower price..I've lost out on so much potential for not buying BTC.. Any opinions?

yacnamron

I don’t understand why anyone ever platforms drunk Michael Saylor. BTC is just a grift to him. Peter just likes the attention good or bad

partymsl

Let's be real, the issue is not ditectly BTC dropping -30% as no one with a BTC heavy portfolio would care about that anyways. The issue is that alts went down -60% with it and most hadn't even reached ATHs prior to that..

Beginning-Bird9591

the dollar value of bitcoin is just what people agree on with trading.... however if the economy actually used bitcoin as a base to value litterally everything, you'd see every single asset go DOWN in bitcoin... It litterally doesn't matter about the dollar value as that indiacts the market value, not inflation whats so ever! Plus there are now more mining machines and people mining bitcoin than ever before so that $$ value get ssplit, but i 100% garuntine most only sell a bit of bitcoin to cover eletrcity and keep the rest... In the future people would just pay their electrcity directly in BTC so no need to trade it for an inferior asset. again you are confused as to what inflation even is! Inflation is all about the SUPPLY of said asset... doesn't matter of it's shares/stocks, bitcoin, your favorite shitcoin or houses. matter is, if there's more of an asset that outpases demand, than that asset will continue to devalue simply because of a greater supply. That devaluation, would make dollars weaker, hence bitcoin going up in value (while also being funded by speculation and markets).

thebalancewithin

What price range would force MSTR to sell even 1 BTC?

Globe_Worship

Most of the activity around BTC is people trying to strike it rich and then convert their BTC to that sweet, usable fiat.

seancollinhawkins

It's unethical shit bait for the people who have never bought in and regret missing the recent top. Same fuckin story every cycle. In a year from now when prices actually do start to rally behind halving speculation notice you won't hear anybody talking about BTC. When you notice this subreddit hasn't pooped up in your feed for a long time; that's the buy signal

nickoaverdnac

You... spent BTC? /s

Affectionate_Knee_96

I was told BTC is dead so I’m confused

Riker-Was-Here

BTC below 100k USD is an insanely good price. We are still under 90k USD. Price next year could be 200. In 4-5 years we are looking at 1.0M

Embarrassed_Boss_576

IMO, this picture is accurate: every dolt who thinks that BTC is dead (for like the 900th time), will sell and get proverbially poked in the rear. Let’s put it this way, Bitcoin thrived on numerous occasions when the entire world and powerful governments were against it. It would therefore be naïve to think that it is not slated for a comeback with all of the momentum behind it now — ranging from nation states to institutions. Common sense tells me there’s still lots of gas in the tank for this unique and valuable asset.

Ok-Sheepherder-148

You expect so because you bought your first BTC 30 days ago.

NeoDynomite

Bitcoin won’t be considered an “emerging, volatile asset” once it finishes monetizing. Volatility is just the side-effect of a small asset becoming global money. As liquidity deepens, institutional adoption grows, and BTC becomes collateral in credit markets, volatility naturally compresses. In most long-term macro models (Booth/Saylor/Dalio blended), this shift happens gradually: • **2028–2036:** BTC becomes pristine collateral • **2036–2048:** Used for large-scale settlement, volatility drops • **2048–2060:** Becomes global monetary base → sats as unit of account By the time sovereign wealth funds, banks, and commodity markets settle in BTC, no one will call it “emerging” anymore. It’ll be the neutral base layer of the financial system — stable because it’s fully adopted, not because volatility magically disappeared.

wizardofwestworld

To each their own. I have held BTC for many years and have made a ton of $. Have also made a ton of money in the stock market.

onebtcisonebtc

His wife and children invest hard in BTC. And I'm not joking.

jonjopop

It would be kind of interesting to scrape all of the stock/crypto subreddits and then run it through an AI algo to see if there were any users/subreddits that were ‘right’ more often than not. Even if not it would be super interesting data to track sentiment since so much of the BTC momentum is psychological. I’m sure someone has done this, I’m just honestly too lazy/don’t have enough compute power to do it

squirrelnutkin2

I think of BTC as a religion. E.g Even the creator doesn't reveal themselves. The big question is , if saylor is like Jesus, will he die on the cross 😮

hawkeye224

Yeah but I think you're forgetting that the money supply is expanding all the time? Hence there can be new capital injected into BTC. If you consider only a situation in a single point of time, yeah of course money spent selling = money spent buying lol. That's true for every asset. So this can't be an argument not to invest. But if you consider sequential periods of time, then sellers in period 1 can realise gains, then p1 buyers can become sellers and realise gains in period 2, etc., etc.

slasherzx

Erg is a fair launched POW L1 coin that has Smart contract, no VC, bridged to top 10 coins with their decentralized bridge (BNB, BTC, Doge, Ada, ETH and Bitcoin-runes), dapps, dexes, has their own version of USDT which is overcollaterized and new Gluon which is pegged to Gold price. Subblocks will be implemented that would increase TPS to seconds, as current block time has an average of 2 min.

Serious_Vast_4937

Strategy’s average BTC price is about $75k. I think that’ll be a strong resistance level.