BTC

Phylaras

Your statement is an example of the logical fallacy: "missing the point." You only pay taxes on BTC if you earn money. If you have dollars, you will never pay taxes but never earn money. So the fees and taxes you pay will net you gains in that situation. That can only be a good thing for you personally.

MaxxGawd

nvm you're right it's not priced in yet. Everyone is really dumb and they don't know the money printer will turn on. Especially the institutional investors and whales who hold the majority of BTC. They don't know this fact but you do you're ahead of all of them.

realitynofantasy

Got it! Does this mean we get to accumulate more BTC in the 2026?

trillionSdollarstech

No, I don't own BTC

trillionSdollarstech

BTC is nothing else than the first so the biggest memecoin. You can code a Bitcoin on Ethereum in a few lines with better economics¹, better sustainability², better security³. Creating such a ERC20 token would get no traction because Burry is correct. But humanity agreed that they want to worship Bitcoin. ^1. ^no ^dumping ^from ^miners ^2. ^no ^risk ^of ^collapsing ^when ^most ^miners ^leave ^after ^a ^few ^more ^halvings ^3. ^Ethereum ^stacking ^is ^more ^decentralized ^than ^Bitcoin ^mining

UseMoreHops

They really want you to spend your BTC

Traditional-Flow-102

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Aaata-

Are you insane? BTC did almost 800% from last cycle bottom in less than 3 years... That is a bull market, now if you traded leveraged perps and solana shitters of course you got rekt but saying we did not have a bullmarket is crazy. This cycle is over, if you expect a new ATH in 2026 you will be disapointed, Q3/Q4 2026 will be capitulation, that is where you buy buy Bitcoin for the next cycle.

Illustrious_Way3898

It’s 1.28x above the 2021 ATH. Not double, but better than all other projects. BNB is the only one on par with BTC at 1.27x its 2021 ATH.

KIG45

So they won't sell because BTC will never fall that low again.

Additional-Ad-5894

Nick Bhatia in Layered Money argues that stablecoin adoption will still benefit BTC and change the system fundamentally as ultimately it’ll help shift towards a system where BTC is the reserve asset. Thoughts?

panthera_N

the market is like zombies, BTC needs to drop hard so that all shcoins sell off too, then the market gets a clean reset and starts a new cycle BIG and BEAUTIFUL, what the hell is xrp doing at 2, it needs to drop to 0.4, what is sol doing at that price, go back to 10, what is eth doing there, go back to 500,.....too slow, too slow

Financial_Clue_2534

Just buying BTC

Independent-Dog5311

And they slowly are. Only so much can be mined everyday now so it's a lot more scarce. And they buy OTC and manipulate it to no end...but you know all this by now if you're here.... I remember when they use to hate on BTC too before Covid, or they pretended to. I miss the old days of 2015 before all this big money got involved. Well, I'm gonna HODL and ride this wave. I don't do well as a wage-slave. Word is Blackrock has been buying BTC since 2017. Fink doesn't play nice, he may act like on stage of course when they interview him. It's disappointing Coinbase (Brian Armstrong) jumped into bed with him, but that's the way now. I started out CB.

Hopeful-Space3422

Means placing your sell/orders but they only executes if the price requirements has been met. Like if u place a limit order to buy 1k dollars worth of BTC at 80k. The system will automatically buy 1k dollars worth of BTC when BTC prices reaches 80k or below.

bAZtARd

Who's giving out loans against BTC?

jkl2035

I‘m long in some of the quantum projects because I think this sector will rocket when the major projects start the Migration process. Spend some time on the BIP360 approach for BTC and it will not be that easy to come to an consensus as several philosophical questions have to be answered (what to do with Satoshis coins?). Nevertheless a lot of bullshit projects out there in the quantum secure area

baIIern

BTC is slow expensive when there's a lot of transactions going on. That's why Bitcoiners switched from the "digital cash" narrative to "digital gold".

No_Toe710

Thanks — not trying to be Robin Hood. Just sharing what I wish someone told me before I learned the hard way. Once you realize you never have to sell your BTC to access liquidity, the whole financial map rewrites itself

vieuxpapou

USDT = purchase of American debt via Treasury bond BTC = financial freedom

Expensive_Special120

Until we compare BTC in USD, yes.

AnriTapel

So you say if price of BTC is represented in USD, then it backed by USD?)

eliploit

This is assuming you put all investable money into BTC and NEVER have any cash sitting around though, no?

Expensive_Special120

Well, how does BTC gains value, exactly?

trx-repo

With the ETFs now, I honestly think the massive 80% drawdowns are a thing of the past. Institutions will cushion the blow. I can see us steadily grinding up to 200k+ by 2027 as BTC solidifies itself as a legit reserve asset.

No_Toe710

It’s a great idea so long as you do it consistently. Ie. Take 1 year loans paid off in full in 12 months. Buy BTC. Then rinse repeat… for 5 years. 401k will be paid back in full every year — plus employer and employee contributions. Giving the employee a taxable 401k in retirement. Plus the Bitcoin purchased over multiple years.

No_Toe710

You could take 1/2 of your sats and post them as collateral for a BTC loan (50% LTV) that will allow you to stop monitoring the dip. And capitalize on it instead. For example — If you now own 1 BTC purchased at $124k. Then post 0.50 BTC for a $22.5k loan. If BTC drops to $60-70k you buy. Growing holdings 30-40% w a loan that is 20% of your original investment.

QryptoQurios2020

So you write an article to make people panic sell and y’all buy it up for cheap. Is that the plan here? Because I am sure Japan is the only country in the whole world that holds BTC! 🤨🙄 Anyway thank you for wasting our time again with this nonsense.

PeopleNose

Stablecoins? No BTC? Yes

Aggressive_Spell2314

In 5 years, 0.1 BTC will be worth a lot more.

EquivalentStock2432

It's great to see you pop up in these Bitcoin threads; still valiantly defending this garbage. Remember a few months ago we argued about the price and legitimacy of BTC and crypto? How are you still out here defending this crap when you're in water to your neck? 🤨 Cut your losses before it's too late!

wdf_classic

I read that once agentic AI's start being given some agency for their tasks, like buying inventory for businesses or moving any sort of value, then they would most likely use cryptocurrency as it would be the least friction for an AI to AI transaction. But if they ended up using Bitcoin there'd also need to be a new layer 2 tech that hasn't been created yet. What I'm getting at is that some of the events, or the rocket fuel that will cause BTC to explode again, either direction, will be something unfathomable. And in the timeframe of bitcoin, it's a guarantee that it will experience many black swans.

Training-Extent9606

It's just a major correction, BTC would move up

Avalanche325

And BTC critics claim that it is just a number in a ledger. They don’t realize that is exactly what their bank balance is.

idontgiveafunyun

I’m sorry but as an outsider to this conversation, he made it clear that Schiff saying $3800 was too expensive and BTC will never reach $100k as two separate points, which were likely said at far different times in BTCs cycle. So he is right to mention that you forgot that point, and they are not one AND the same as you attest. The icing on the cake is you insulting him about reading comprehension when well… I see it as the opposite, especially when you butcher a very common idiom. But enjoy being the smartest one in the room if that’s where your self-esteem comes from.

wtfmoe

vipcryptovault (vip crypto vault) is relatively a small and new TG channel, but they tradingview profile and market analysis is inanse specially predictng BTC and ETH moves. check their TG and see for yourself

Aggressive_Spell2314

BTC is easy and liberating. I‘ve been reading posts in altcoin subs lately, they’re suffering.

wtfmoe

vipcryptovault (vip crypto vault) is relatively a small and new TG channel, but they tradingview profile and market analysis is inanse specially predictng BTC and ETH moves

GoldmezAddams

I initially was pretty hung up on the issue of scaling. As I learned how BTC actually worked, I became very worried about bitcoin's ability to scale. These days, however, I'm very bullish on scaling. It helped a lot to come to understand that the base layer is a settlement layer, not a retail payment network. We can absolutely scale to 8 billion people with just our current scaling tech. The question now is if we can improve the situation with regards to all 8 billion people being able to be self-sovereign with unilateral exit, be able to own at least part of a UTXO, etc. Also, I had two big misconceptions before I actually got into bitcoin. One was that the "problem" with bitcoin (or "crypto" as I would have said back then) is that it is being used as speculation and not as a currency. I think that misunderstood the relation between store of value and medium of exchange, the nature of the "speculation" that was happening, and what monetization from zero actually looks like. And the other big one was not actually being sold on the merits of commodity money. Way back in my Ron Paul days, I watched those Bill Still documentaries like The Money Masters and The Secret of Oz. Bill persuaded me that a well managed fiat currency could actually be a good thing and if we just had good people at the wheel, they could twiddle the knobs in such a way to benefit us all. So for a very long time, I was with the libertarians on the moral / political stance, but I was never very convinced on the economics and especially gold as money. It wasn't until much more recently that I went further down the Austrian economics rabbit hole and really came to appreciate that there is no redeeming fiat. I think part of my fundamental misunderstanding was thinking that A) anyone would be capable of wielding that power responsibly and B) that a central planner could direct the market for money better than market forces.

lebastss

I said he was wrong about the 100k mark. Those two points are one in the same... You really are dumb aren't you? Reading comprehension hard eh? Price can go up, that doesn't mean it isn't a speculative asset I'm not even sure what you're saying. You're as much a BTC shill as he is a gold shill. You're both equally dumb. Trying so hard to find a way to own me you didn't even realize you self owned yourself by identifying your lack of critical thinking. Cool beans. It's why I don't really listen to him or the majority of people here. I'm fine being the smartest person in the room, there's nothing for me to prove.

MegaSackk

I think this is a great method, I do something similar but also paired with DCA and the results are great. I also look at it from a perspective of BTC will be at millions per coin in the future so buying all the "highs" is miniscule in the grand scheme of things. Therefore I am completely fine buying a little BTC every single day even if its at a current ath.

vitras

He made a few thousand of these coins/bars in various BTC denominations. There are records of each public address he created. He was very transparent about his process, including how he kept private keys private aside from himself and I think the (single person) sticker manufacturer. According to him, all records of private keys have been destroyed. I’ve never seen a reported fraudulent redemption. I own a 1BTC coin that I bought in 2013, I have the public address in a “watch list” and it’s still there and fully funded. I know part of the schtick of bitcoin is that nobody is required to trust anyone else (a bank, etc), but early bitcoin adopters were just as likely to be honest, nerdy people as they were to be scammers. I figure at this point, 10+ years later and after so much growth and without any evidence of foul play, I can comfortably trust that Casascius was an honest dude just nerding out about bitcoin. Feel free to downvote.

JustLTFD

You can't dilute shareholders under 1 NAV. He has publicly stated multiple times in the last week they will sell bitcoin if certain conditions are met. And those conditions are basically met. He rushed and grabbed 1.4 bil in cash to cover his ass for a while. You do you. It's not going to end well. When his ass loses it all, then you get in and that's when you can make some good money. You don't buy in with that ass with 650k BTC selling over you after he pumped the price himself.

_Nigerian_Prince__

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blackjackn

Why BTC has any value at all.

Seattleman1955

I think the real lesson to be learned is that it doesn't have to be all or nothing. If you had sold half, it would have felt just as good (like free money) and you'd still have 5 BTC:)

CXavier4545

how much was BTC when you first bought?

BTCWallahFXEmpire

Feel bad for their shareholders. Not sure what's gonna be their "Strategy" if BTC plunges below their cost average just around the time when they gotta repay, except liquidating shares (or worse, Bitcoin). It is high time Saylor should change Strategy's core business model to suit Bitcoin-enabled products: the man has enough BTC to launch a neobank, after all. They gotta gotta make money to keep us BTC bulls sleep better at night.. :D If any bro is in touch with Saylor, pitch him this idea already.

Present-Ad-3550

BTC and ETH only. No poo poo coins as Kevin O'Leary likes to say

nugymmer

Yeah sure it was. BTC went to 6 digits and held it there. Yeah right. 2023 was an accumulation year. How ridiculous.

nugymmer

Was a great year for BTC only. Everything else stagnated.

lebastss

I mean...he really was only wrong about the 100k mark and I being a ponzi scheme. It's not a ponzi scheme because it lacks a central operator. I'm a value investor so I don't really buy Bitcoin. If you are a value investor none of anything else he said was incorrect. Bitcoin does have value but only in a speculative sense. I see that he a gold schill though. I do think gold is a much better asset than BTC personally though.

2xfun

1 BTC = 1 BTC with a 21M cap

Prabuddha-Peramuna

DCA shines during strong, uninterrupted growth because it keeps you in the market without overthinking anything. My approach isn’t trying to beat DCA in every scenario. It’s just meant to improve my cost basis during the periods where BTC *does* give natural pullbacks, which historically still happen even inside big macro uptrends.I’m not trying to predict tops or avoid hyperbolic moves I stay in the trend long-term. I just prefer adding more aggressively at discounts instead of buying every candle on the way up. DCA removes emotion , my framework just adds a bit more structure around when I size in. Different logic, different personality, both can work over long horizons.

nestiebein

Market dynamics are very different, printers are running overtime printing trillions of dollars into the banking ponzi. OG whales should maybe stop selling billions at market like it's 2021. There's other options now. Lots of OTC options. Anyway, USD and other fiat is becoming exponentially worthless. There will be a point where everyone will seek options to value store and BTC will remain top contender. Halving effects should also become less depending on what BTC is valued at. Mass institutional adoption didn't happen in 2021. Already 20% of supply is taken over by institutions over the last year. There's really no need anymore to dump it at market. Cycle all you want but I'm betting on taking a ride on my bicycle instead this season.

Prabuddha-Peramuna

it’s just a practical threshold that fits Bitcoin’s typical volatility. BTC regularly gives 10–20% pullbacks even in strong trends, so 15% sits right in the middle. It’s big enough to represent a real discount, but not so deep that it almost never triggers. I also adjust it based on the trend… in strong moves I tighten it to smaller dips.

NomadElite

This is the type of thinking we need to change. Why aren't you happy to sell your car in Bitcoin or take your salary in Bircoin? Why isn't your neighbor? I used to pay all my employees in Bitcoin back on 2012-2016, some of them are wealthy now. We need to stop speculating in the Bitcoin price in relationship to fiat, and normalize payments in Bitcoin. 1 BTC will always = 1 BTC Ignore fiat and stop using it wherever possible, and fuck CBDCs and government endorsed "stable coins".

longonbtc

Taxes have nothing to do with the exchange you buy bitcoin from. Which exchange is best for you depends on what country you are a resident of. I recommend buying bitcoin from [Strike](https://strike.me/), [Swan Bitcoin](https://www.swanbitcoin.com/), [River](https://river.com/), or [Cash App](https://cash.app/bitcoin) if these platforms are available in your country of residence. All four of these platforms charge low fees and none of them peddle altcoins. Exchanges get to choose how much they want to charge their customers for withdrawing bitcoin from their platform. This fee is referred to as a bitcoin withdrawal fee. Some exchanges choose not to charge a bitcoin withdrawal fee at all (meaning it's free to withdraw bitcoin). [Swan Bitcoin](https://www.swanbitcoin.com/) chooses not to charge a bitcoin withdrawal fee. [Strike](https://strike.me/) chooses not to charge a bitcoin withdrawal fee if you choose the slowest option. [Cash App](https://cash.app/bitcoin) chooses not to charge a bitcoin withdrawal fee if you withdraw 0.001 BTC or more and you choose the standard speed option. [River](https://river.com/) chooses to give their customers one free bitcoin withdrawal per month.

coachcheat

You need mass adoption for Bitcoin to work. That includes dumb people. The more people who use BTC the higher the price goes. It doesn't care how smart they are.

Hfksnfgitndskfjridnf

My problem is with the BTC yield metric. By introducing this metric they are falsely implying that somehow MSTR is creating value, they are not. If they were creating value then what happened? BTC yield was 48%in Q4 2024, 11% in Q1 2025, 7% in Q2 2025, 5% in Q3 2025 and now negative 1% in Q4 2025. What happened? Did they forget how to create value? No, they were never creating value in the first place. They were transferring it from new investors to old investors. And guess what, looks like they’re out of new investors now.

BidensBDSMBurner

I have BTC, like 3.5. Just stored on a laptop hard drive from 10+ years ago in a landfill.

Jefferywu_25

Hey I’m going to send you a dm how I’m earning BTC rn

Revolutionary-Cup78

Yeah, being pessimistic always attracts negative reactions, but is true. If there is an exploit not being detected or a drastically superior alternative, nothing truly guarantees even BTC is going to be worth something on 2050

kshucker

Not wrong as far as the price history of bitcoin goes. You made the right choice in my opinion. My gameplan through the cycles has been to sell around this time after a bitcoin halving, turn to USDC and then buy back into mainly BTC and dabble in ALT’s in about 2 and a half years after I sell. Has never failed me.

Aggressive_Spell2314

Things were very different back in 2017. Don’t feel bad for selling. I‘ve been on this bitcoin journey since late 2022, so not that long. But even just a few years ago, there was so much FUD - Gary Gensler FUD, Operation Choke Point 2.0... etc. Jamie Dimon was trash talking Bitcon and now we see JP Morgan accepting BTC as collateral. How absurd. Keep stacking and Hodling!

SpartanMoonMan

I tried reading The Bitcoin Standard…made it about 10 pages before my brain went into power saving mode. And that’s coming from someone who puts most of their spare wealth into Bitcoin. I just need a one page, hit me with the highlights summary. Either way, I don’t exactly need convincing that BTC is the best investment on the planet right now

ttv_CitrusBros

Whole point of BTC is decentralizing. Shouldn't be in an exchange in the first place.

HSuke

If you care about reporting taxes, get it in fiat or USDT. Reporting BTC will be hell since you have to track your input and output prices for accounting.

Fictional-adult

They need ~$1.2b per year to make dividend payments. They can only get that money by taking on debt or selling BTC. When the company was trading at a premium to BTC that was no problem, but trading at a discount it makes far more sense to sell coins.  Strategy has about $1.4b, so they are ~18 months from potentially being forced to sell.

duckitman

I did this in 2020. I don’t know why people are saying it’s a bad idea. I was able to buy more BTC faster than I would have been able to sticking to DCA from paychecks. If you think BTC will outperform the stock market, why wouldn’t you do this? Just make sure you can actually afford the payments and have a long time preference and you should be fine with this strategy.

MusicIsVice1

BTC is the way to go! Thats why institutions hate it.

MusicIsVice1

Thats why they are against of **BTC**

Fit-Credit-7970

Leverage in crypto is like playing with fire - thrilling until the cascade hits. You nailed it: whales dumping spot to trigger margin calls is a classic liquidation trap. (Ever wonder why BTC tanks in seconds? That’s your answer.) The market’s turned into a leveraged casino, and retail’s often the bait. I’ve been testing [Banana Pro](https://pro.bananagun.io/) lately - their sniper logic and MEV protection give you a fighting chance in this chaos. It’s not just about speed, it’s about staying invisible when the sharks start circling. If you’re trading, might as well bring a bazooka to the knife fight.

PsychologicalCall426

Leverage in crypto is like playing with fire - thrilling until the cascade hits. You nailed it: whales dumping spot to trigger margin calls is a classic liquidation trap. (Ever wonder why BTC tanks in seconds? That’s your answer.) The market’s turned into a leveraged casino, and retail’s often the bait. I’ve been testing [Banana Pro](https://pro.bananagun.io/) lately - their sniper logic and MEV protection give you a fighting chance in this chaos. It’s not just about speed, it’s about staying invisible when the sharks start circling. If you’re trading, might as well bring a bazooka to the knife fight.

imfuckinglying2u

One of the best necromancers to ever roam Erathia. She's the one bringing BTC back to life every time it dies (477 times so far).

machilipatnam_mayaba

Between 2012–13 I used BTC to place IPL bets on Bet365 since it was banned back home. Ended up losing around 12K USD and thinking about how much bitcoin I burned back then still stings lol

_IscoATX

Wdym? It’s not a card service. For cash, there’s your standard bank transfer period for funds. For BTC it’s just straight to the network. However long it takes on chain. They also offer free transfers once a month. Those may or may not be slower but they’ve always settled in 15-20 min for me

Quantum_Pineapple

Nah that doesn’t track because BTC would also rise in value as demand increases via adoption. People holding raw BTC will always come out ahead as long as you DCA in my honest opinion.

dannydsan

All these alt's are just people cashing in on free money but there will be a few that stand out and stand the test of time. There more uncertain people are about the future of the economy, the higher BTC and Gold will go. Alts are being drained because of uncertainty about the future, whether that's AI fears, World War III, Strained world economy, etc.

vasco_

I think putting it like that is slightly misleading: they sold 704 for tax reasons (as they explicitly stated in a SEC filing) and bought 2 days later 810 btc back, at a slightly higher price. Technically they did sell, but the reality is that they got a tax cut and increased their amount of BTC.

ivmo71

I remember BOA accounts wouldnt link to coinbase for the purchase of BTC.

mcfreiz

Stick to BTC and take profits near all time highs

inadyttap

$200k BTC is inevitable, it’s going up forever Laura, forever.

Low_Masterpiece1560

While accumulating your emergency fund, and saving for a down payment, your investment goal should be to avoid big losses. For now, I suggest limiting your exposure to volatile risk assets such as BTC in your investment portfolio to well under five percent. My suggestion: 70% t-bills, 14% gold, 14% broad stock index (such as VTI) and 2% BTC.

KMark0000

I sold all BTC at/around ATH this time :) (I bought it ATH last time lol)

Intelligent-Radio159

No, that would incur a taxable event, I borrow against my BTC to pay back debt. Fiat for fiat

glastrie

I see what you mean but if you DCA and keep liquid it shouldn’t matter. I disagree because you shouldn’t have all your wealth on BTC. so it means jack shit to me, in 5-10 years i would outpace you in profits because i didn’t get eaten up in taxes and fees, good luck landing on 15-35% tax bracket with constantly moving it around. just let it sit, you already know that in 5-10 years we will be in new grounds, is your patience really that low?

DrSpeckles

How can you say projects you actually use and BTC in the same sentence?

Robotoverlordv1

Japan has already said they're gonna print. China has already said they're gonna print. Trump has already said he's going to print. The clarity act is coming. This is literally the most bullish macro landscape in the history of BTC. If you're buying the FUD rn have fun being poor.

imfuckinglying2u

Vidomina got rekt last night, no save scumming allowed :( Gotta start amassing skellies from scratch. BTC better be above 90k when I'm back.

RetiredAvocado

What is your deal with $50 worth of "no kyc?" Nobody gives a damn about that. If you were talking 50 grand worth and trying skimp on taxes or something then it's (still ass) but understandable. Nobody is tracking your $50 worth of BTC.

Skeewampus

If Strategy never sells any bitcoin than how do they actually make any money in the future? On paper their value will grow but what happens to their software business? It appears to be slowing shrinking over the past several years. As they lean more into being a BTC holdings company I would imagine their revenue from software collapse.

road22

There is a huge amount of wealth just waiting for the price of BTC to drop more. All weak hands have sold. The shorts are making 5x compared to what the longs have lost last month. We are going sideways for a while before the FED starts QE again.

Nick700

They sold those 704 Bitcoin for tax purposes and then two days afterwards they bought 810 BTC...

CallousBastard

Was here for the last 2 cycles, held through both. I took my profits this time and sold everything in early November while BTC was still a bit above 100K. I could be completely wrong (nothing new for me) but I felt like this year's bull run was winding down.

TinaJewel

Take profit and sell everything but BTC. You do not want to be holding those alts during bear market

devCheckingIn

I think it's reasonable to accept that there is risk being long on BTC.

esraa_11

That shows how strongly they believe in Bitcoin’s long-term value. If a major firm like Strategy CEO says only a decades-long slump would make them sell, it means they see BTC as a long-term strategic asset, not just a short-term trade. It’s interesting to see institutional confidence staying that strong

Ikki_The_Phoenix

Nothing is making money out there. I'm going to stick with BTC and saving up money for the next bull

clem_the_man

so it starts: from never having to sell BTC to having to sell BTC after a long crypto winter. my guess is: if BTC does not recover until they used all the money from the USD reserve they have to start selling.