BTC

plumpyplummy

BTC is very interestrong

BapeGeneral3

RH = not your keys, not your wallet. BTC 101. Just annoyed that BTC moves and we get people like you claiming they have been down since day one and “know it will hit 1M”. For those of us who have been around for awhile, we smell you a mile away

L3mmy_winx

Take a longer term view. The math, using Aug 25, 2021 → Aug 25, 2026: **• Start:** \~$46,850 (BTC close, Aug 25, 2021) **• End:** \~$79,200 today **• Total return:** \~69% **• CAGR:** (79,200 / 46,850)\^(1/5) − 1 ≈ **11.1%** That’s a solid return considering we’re way off all time highs here.

BapeGeneral3

Since when? Since you just entered the market? You are posting a RH screenshot of BTC current price. Do you hold anything? Or just trade like your Pokémon cards?

ObviousEconomist

Fake bounce. When the AI bubble bursts BTC will go to 40k. Then the real bull run starts after.

ODD_Old_Dirty_Degen

I think BTC will range here for a while and built up liquidity, then eventually a pullback. When pullback comes I will reasses.

ilovesaintpaul

As a Minnesotan like me would say (and a solid bitcoiner) 'Ope! Just a bounce before the sale goes on in Oct-Nov. Too much uncertainty and volatility for risk-on BTC to jump. (Yet. It will eventually.) DCA is the way.

BapeGeneral3

My first full BTC was bought for $300. I am unfortunately extremely well informed on the topic. It’s just funny that any time the price does anything at all it goes straight back to $1M BTC any day now just HDOL!

HelloYatta

Ain't nobody worried about our $5/$10 weekly DCA in BTC bro

yorker95

A thousand BTC gets you to whale status, so that’s a nice goal. Should be able to accumulate that over the next few months for under $100mm. It could go up or down significantly at any time, impossible to know.

yorker95

30 BTC is a good place to start, but I think it’s best to buy more, yes. /s

MarketObserver1

Bull market is coming soons guys . Only 4k left if btc goes to 84k just start buying eth and alt coins Specially ETH BTC XRP going to give good return and my favourite one is CHAINLINK It’s not financial advice …

BigNoseParody

I will never ever create another Topic ridiculing 40k crew, infact I will apologize to them. I might secretly put a 40k buy order myself who knows. Sadly for them I'm 100% confident. I just see a clear path for BTC to prevail now with new laws, which will be aproved mark my words. There wont also be any hikes because that will hurt Japan, and they would sell off the bond market. I'm not even talking about astrology here, the 4 year cycle, screw all that. There are actually real live events there that benefit BTC, not to mention money printing mashine is back at full speed which further strengths core fundamentals of BTC. Bloomberg might actually be right, 500k at the end of 2023 alligns with my 200k prediction this year.

ZekeTarsim

Funny video but are people really celebrating this rally? Does anyone actually believe BTC bottomed? Cause I don’t!

devCheckingIn

When alts start to dump like that, BTC usually follows eventually.

2xfun

First of all I don’t have any kids. Then it’s not the houses going up, it’s the money being debased … real estate was just the substitute store of value society has picked. Never got into debt. Debt is slavery. Chill my dude … we all know the system is rigged. I am a BTC maxi but I have to say I fell like I am living in the Idiocracy movie atm.

SecureDigitalMarkets

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SecureDigitalMarkets

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PeteyPab305

Only assuming he doesn't have any children that would eventually become A beneficiary of a will or trust. Because that would make absolutely zero sense to convert to USD, especially when it coincides with a historical level of debasement and a potential revocation of the Petro dollar as the world reserve currency as JD Vance's advocating for. If not then yes let him enjoy his retirement but keeping one BTC out of that many just to not have to deal with volatility seems very short-sighted.

prayerrwow

I understand your point, what i mean is with crypto, blockchain, and all the unclear stuff around true ownership in the fiels things are not like the one you mentioned. For example, all the seed phrases already exist out there, when you create a wallet you dont generate a seed, you just use one that already exist and everybody can freely access and control as long as they have they keys. No adress belongs to anyone, if you can guess satoshi wallet phrase the BTC inside are yours to take, because no one can at 100% say you are not satoshi if you have the keys

ST-Fish

> BTC was never meant to be controlled by Corporations but lookie lookie. >Black rock and microstrategy own the Lionshare. Glad Bitcoin is POW, not like them having more bitcoin gives them any control over **the network** does the guy with the most gold "control" gold? Is your gold in your safe not yours anymore because someone else has a lot of it? huh?

InsightKnite

If you are buying to flip for profit than why tf are you wasting time with BTC? Both Solana and ETH do a 4.5x while if BTC hit ATH it would only be a 2x for the vast majority of holders. I know math is hard and all but ...

digital_current

BTC will bottom out at $41,250 in October of 2027.

InsightKnite

Just fyi for those that care at all. BTC on it's best day averages a 2x potential. If you are buying crypto to sell for profit BTC is actually one of the worst ROI coins in the world. Period. If you think BTC is going to be some global currency by all means have fun with that but if you are legitimately trying to gain income via crypto than you need to be paying attention to the potential multiplier on a coin and not it's TOTAL cost. You would think this is obvious but I can't explain how many people I see on these subreddits competely burning money on the table because they are saving for a 2x return after 10+ years of investment. It's wild.

LVL99stocks

I bought THOUSANDS to buy runescape gold with. They where maybe $.1 to .3 each? I bet that old computer has 10-14mm of BTC on it. Wherever it is.

MarioWilson122

Yeah, you might've missed this dip, but we can still potentially see $55k later this year for all we know. It's still a bear market year, and one strong rally doesn't necessarily mean the lows are behind us. BTC is still down around 30% from a year ago despite this recent run. The funny thing is even if it does get back to $55k, people waiting for that exact price can still hesitate once it gets there because they'll start thinking $50k or $45k is next. That's the real problem with waiting for the perfect entry.

Sensitive-Crew-6025

So owning 2.5 BTC is actually a big achievement?

OkLaw1527

So less then 5% of whole world holds BTC lol, are there so many altcoin holders who skip btc? 😄 😄

Capital-Line-8140

Naja der 4 jahres zyklus ist tot, würde dieser weiterbestehen, gäbe es kein zukunft fpr BTC

AquarianAge144

True. Im just specifically referring to Iran because it has such a strain on Energy. Oil going up is not good for BTC. Also. Agree on Saylor. I just dont think we need to keep being over there. We already destroyed their nukes and now we should be leaving but instead they wanna keep pushing so they can own the strait of hormuz. Not realizing that they are springing a trap that will set the economy back Big. I like that we pumped but if they start bombing eachother again i fear we may dump even lower than the 60k bottom we were working. However, elections are coming. So there is a possibility they put hostilities on hold and let us break free in order to secure votes. We will see.

mozy-rama

Most indicators on 1-day up to 5 days chart are over-bought territory (closer to 100). BTC is currently trying to break above the 50 day moving average on weekly chart, which is at $81.5k. Chances of that happening is very low as historically there's a higher probability that price action will hit 50-day moving average at least one time then pull back to recover. Price can hit the 200-day moving average before the final push above the 50-day. 200-day moving average is currently at $65k but is slowly moving up with each passing week. It was previously at $62k June 2026. Question is.. can BTC pull back to $65k or whatever the price will be at the time BTC hits the 200-day moving average on weekly chart. One thing is for sure... Stochastic RSI is extremely over-bought territory on 1-day to 5-day chart. Weekly chart is about 70% the way up? Price pull back will happen in the very near future. You have 2 options.. \- 1.) Wait for the pullback on BTC price to get in. It can go to 200-day moving average price which is now at $65k (again.. price is slowly moving up each passing week). \- 2.) Wait until BTC hits above 82/83k and confirm that as support. Then get in at that support level + stochastic RSI indicators should be over-sold territory (closer to 0 area). Less profit.. but a guarantee win!! You're pretty much trading out of pattern and locked in for a guaranteed win with following the uptrend ride up. Good luck!!

fittes7

I guarantee that this breed wouldn't invest a dime even if BTC would suddenly fall to 11k last night. They're just yappers and excusers, they're saying this excuse to feel better because they don't have the balls to invest.

neurone214

If you want this person or people to be caught, I probably wouldn't post about what they're doing wrong on the internet where they could very well read it. That said, from the commentary I've read, this person / these people seem reasonably sophisticated; I'm not in BTC (just interested in the drama), so I don't fully understand why this approach seems silly, but if it's glaringly so then maybe it's a red herring?

Amazing_Client_6950

Slowly accumulate BTC and hold it for 3–5 years.

Fit-Heron8411

I remember I used to exchange BTC to Linden dollars (Second Life currency) - I remember I had 1700 at one point 🙃🙃🙃

hodler1992

Why would it become worthless? Even if a quantum computer could create longer chains the maximum damage it could do is to reverse a payment one has sent right beforehand. I actually don't see a massive danger here any soon. But I agree that BTC reaching 1 million and even more is in inevitable

eride810

So weird, I thought BTC was dead…..

mvrozanti

Yeah, I guess we're not 1000x or 10000x early. But there's trillions not in it still, and the mechanism bringing dollars to BTC is still very much alive. Now compare that to 7% APY investments or even S&P500 - BTC still beats them. And when financial people get convinced that this is not a scam but a cryptographic fortress available to everyone, and they advise their clients to put 1%, 2%, 5%, 10% of their assets in it, we will see fireworks again, is what I think.

Secret_Operative

A UK friend asked me how to get their retirement account into BTC, similar to the IBIT fund in the US. I have zero clue, anyone know?

NatureNeat5506

BTC is heavily manipulated. It has to hit the 50s before the bull cycle starts . Be careful

PatternAgainstUsers

If you buy the top of this move on leverage then it's a bull trap. If you are referring to the business cycle as a whole, or someone just buying spot as an investment at the top of this move with diamond hands, then that is not remotely a bull trap. Your frame of reference means everything. Ask yourself this question: why when BTC is having HISTORICALLY strong bullish order flow just off the lows (relatively speaking, currently) is your FIRST impulse to say "bull trap"? It's because your perspective is not tying the long-term together with the short-term... you are ONLY looking at the short-term. What that tells me is you have a bearish bias. Do you know why you have a bearish bias? Because intuitively you know this asset is *most likely* going to drift up and to the right over time with liquidity, with debasement, similar to most strong asset classes (at least the ones that actually beat inflation and don't just move nominally - because we care about *real* returns). What does THAT conclusion tell you about your bet if you are short / sidelined here? It tells you that you KNOW on some level your risk/reward is capped... this is the famous argument against being a structural short-seller... capped upside. People can short BTC tactically, or as a hedge... totally fine. I'm just telling you to zoom out, because your context is totally off (clearly) if you're calling a move like this a bull trap at the bottom of a move like this considering the past 6 months of market context. That's still true EVEN if BTC breaks to new lows by the way.

ruck_my_life

Hate to be <that guy> but this title is misleading. It's 1 in 10,000 people *who hold any BTC at all* hold *at least 1 BTC*. So roughly 1 100^th of 1 percent of the entire planet.

Silver-Initiative702

"None of this is advice, and none of it makes borrowing against BTC a good idea." Well, I don't think that borrowing against BTC is such a bad idea in the bear market though. It's better than selling.

AquarianAge144

Im not hating. I am stating a Reality that BTC is now owned Majority by Corporations like Blackrock and Microstrategy. They now own the Lionshare combined with our government and federal reserve which is now in Cohoots together to buy up as much as possible for a strategic reserve. This takes power out of the hands of the people and into Elite companies like those i mentioned. If you cant see how Satoshis Dream of BTC is not the same as Saylors Vision then i cant help you Bub. Have a Good Day tho. Appreciate the joust

PatternAgainstUsers

"You might be an NPC"...says the guy who line breaks his comments out like a North Korean bot. Chill on the conspiracy theory nonsense. "We" refers to HUMAN BEINGS who BENEFIT FROM INNOVATORS. Clear enough for you? You are speaking with your ego, not reason. You clearly want to be in some kinda cypher punk cool kids club. That does not serve you, or anyone else... that is meaningless hipster BS. The average person is NEVER going to self-custody BTC the way YOU want them to. Go research any major consumer adoption in history, if it's not stupidly simple with a clear value proposition, it almost never catches on unless there is simply no (conceivable) alternative and the product is of utmost importance. That is why STRC simplifies BTC exposure for the risk-avoidant... and it's better than nothing. Learn to ask the question "compared to what?". It will solve a lot of problems and ridiculous expectations in your life. Also stop lecturing people 2x your IQ, it's annoying.

EricLimbongan

I get that. But what about using BTC as collateral or putting it to work without selling it? That’s where some newer use cases come in.

Silver-Initiative702

Interesting, hadn't heard the DLC term before. Does that Oracle dependency apply to every native-BTC lending approach? I've seen the term Trustless Bitcoin Vaults come up in this context too, not sure if that's the same mechanism as a DLC or something else entirely.

EricLimbongan

I agree that making BTC easier to spend would be a huge step for adoption. At the same time, I think there’s another side to BTC utility beyond payments, with TBVs being developed to put native BTC to work. What do you think about that approach?

AquarianAge144

I want no part of whatever "We" is. If this is what u call fueling adoption that is hilariously funny. 🤣 He is manipulating with his Stock and Tech buddies. BTC was never meant to be controlled by Corporations but lookie lookie. Black rock and microstrategy own the Lionshare. If u dont see how thats an issue then i cant help you. You might be an NPC.

PatternAgainstUsers

It could not be more clear man. Learn auction market theory, volume spread analysis and review the weekly BTC chart. Your conviction to fight the tape here tells me that you either sold your BTC recently or have active shorts... be careful. This is a market with upwards drift (like most scarce assets). It does trade crazier than something like the S&P of course, because it's a kind of commodity / hard money hybrid but don't get attached to the bear market. It's not gonna be a straight line up (probably), but the likelihood of a durable low being in is extremely high now... PARTICULARLY confirmed by the crowded bearish narratives in COMBINATION with the massive amount of confluences here. Are there short-term longs who will be wiped out and punished for chasing? Almost certainly, but that is a difference of time-frames.

EricLimbongan

I can see that. Retail might be fine with just holding it, but institutions could have more reasons to put BTC to work as BTCFi develops.

AquarianAge144

Bro. Thats just a lie. We have literally dropped 50% from 126k To 63k and now rebounding to 78k Which is only a 30% increase after a 50% drop.... It was not because of Saylor. Saylor is hurting Crypto these days 🤣 His MSTR stock completed inflated everything and he is literally recycling the gains through BTC. He is not a Hero. STOP CONNECTING BTC TO AN IDOL BITCOIN IS SATOSHIS BEAST. NOT MICHAEL SAYLORS. AND IT OBEYS NOBODY.

Jojop0tato

I'm sorry man, this is not early. Mining coins on my Lenovo Thinkpad in 2009 and selling in 2011 was early. The guy buying a pizza for 10k BTC was early. People who watched the fall of MTGOX were early. Nowadays everyone has heard of it and even big institutions hold BTC. "Still early" is an old meme that makes holders feel special but it's just not true any more. There's still upside to BTC but it's not gonna 1000X or 10000X like it did before.

PatternAgainstUsers

Stop listening to "people". Listen to good traders with a track record who can explain their argument if you want to learn. When you say the word: "people" what that tells me is you are seeking safety in the opinions of the crowd (the safe, mainstream opinion). That is exactly what makes people lose in trading; prioritizing emotional security over alpha. I know EXACTLY what you're talking about, I've heard the same "it will definitely bottom in October" and "it will go to 40K first" for the past year non-stop The crowd COULD be right on that, but the probability is extremely low that they will be, due to positioning math... unless they intend to trade much differently than they speak, and it was all some kind of social engineering ruse. The way BTC is trading right now, IF we get a retracement to prior fair value (64K area), you SHOULD expect it to reject very hard and continue upwards from there if that was indeed a durable low and attracted bids. Particularly because of the clean squeeze that broke that range of value. Anything can happen, I can't predict exact lows and no one can... just describing what the auction would be expected to do. That said, we do NOT have to return to 64K. If we get a retracement to \~69K (approximately the current VAL of the impulse we're undergoing), or thereabouts you could also see passive bids creating a higher low than expected. The higher that low is the more bullish this move is, assuming you see absorption on heavy volume and a rapid clean bullish impulse. You don't get signals this clean very often, but the process of the last bearish impulse barely creating any lower value at all relative to the prior February range, plus weekly RSI divergence at the lows, plus CLEAR seller exhaustion, plus a short-squeeze catalyst after a period of historically low volatility, and this kind of confirmation with the impulse move not being given back rapidly over the past week... it's hard to ask for more validation that the bull cycle has begun - AT THE POINT OF THE TURN. People saying "I'll believe it when we create fair value above 76K etc. - that's a fair point to confirm the thesis... but as for turn-calling, that's late.

b1rdk

Como BTC va a llegar a los 120k, todavía estás a tiempo

R4ID

> I really dont care about XRP from an investment pov or generally enough to argue about it. I dont like the way it is less decentralised (if you believe it is decentralised by definition). Thats a big thing for me personally. there is no argument, you made a claim, why are you unable to substantiate it? The basic rule of crypto is dont trust, verify. Ur just spreading lies and then when called out on it running away with this nonsensical answer. XRP is decentralized, Nobody can freeze transactions/wallets, Nobody can reverse transactions, censor users/wallets/transactions, Nobody can create more XRP, nobody can force a code update on the validators of the network. There is no theoretical or practical example you could present of the "centralization" ur claiming is there because it is decentralized. This is not a "grey" thing or a "kinda thing" its a 0 or a 1, you are either decentralized or ur not and in this case it is. >XRP is likely going to go way down as BTC has too much network effect. When it gets the point that BTC is much more adopted, people will be using layer 2 for transacting with BTC. They wont use XRP. Even if it has some better aspects. >I think you should cut your losses and throw the money in btc while its still low. Best case scenario for BTC is it rallies following BTC. But its not going to do as well as BTC. Is my prediction. All this nonsense, yet ive made 8 figures from XRP TWICE, Again you simply dont know what you're talking about and its embarrassing for you to be even posting here, No wonder u hide ur comment history because people would probably bash u over the head with it in the comments when ur constantly posted this nonsense.

Fun-Analysis-182

The setup you're describing at the end already exists and has a name: a Discreet Log Contract. The BTC stays locked in a contract on the Bitcoin chain the entire time, no bridge, no wrapped token, no pooled balance. What actually moves is an oracle's signed price attestation, and that only comes into play to settle a liquidation. Lava is the most visible project doing BTC-backed loans this way right now. The honest catch is the one another commenter already flagged: you've swapped custodian and bridge risk for oracle risk, trusting whoever attests the price to do it honestly at liquidation time. So it doesn't remove trust, it narrows the two failure modes you mapped down to one much smaller one.

Immediate-Vast6955

5% allocation of whole portfolio. Rebalancing with salary savings or trading when BTC reaches 4%/6% of portfolio.

SaltAndAncientBones

The lesson here is to never try to time the market. Dollar cost average in. If you like BTC, start buying it in chunks. The price is going to go up and down.

NefariousnessOld3525

Tell me you've been in BTC less than 10 years without telling me you've been in BTC less than 10 years...

Tiny-Design-9885

DCA cash at all time highs. Nibble with your cash as it dips DCA cash into BTC hard when below 50% all time highs. Continue to DCA.

Historical_Candle511

Broken Money was eye-opening to more than just BTC; it was an explanation and exploration of why FIAT systems fail, and then concludes through challenging different mediums of currency that Bitcoin solves pretty much all of the root causes for empire/currency collapse.

Longjumping_Iron8826

At least you didn’t pay for 2 Dominos pizzas for 10,000 BTC

Ok_Carry_6699

It’s a good question. When a lot of activity starts in BTC, it signals that alt-coins are set to move as well. While BTC is the king, people want the “alpha” 4-40x returns so they start piling into alt-coins as well. It’s mostly algorithmic activity considering how they move in tandem.

FrostingCareless8357

Will BTC keep on spiking or it'll come down?

DistributionOne4607

I have a position in IBIT using my qualified 401k. Because, like you, I didn't have a ton of liquid to buy actual BTC from an exchange. I wanted a single bitcoin of exposure, and I took the position during the 100K price fomo of 2025. So here I am with my "1 BTC" of IBIT. Underwater but resolute.

groundkittenbeef

I still hold some BTC that I purchased at $347. Don’t assume everyone would’ve sold. Not a fair assumption for us 💎 🙌.

Party_Treacle_9440

Back in the early days I used to mine using a a serviced based on JavaScript attached to some of my websites. I tested it for a day and managed to mine around 0.12 btc. Eventually I stopped using it because the user experience was impacted. I didn't touch BTC again until 2017 and from time to time I think about those stacks who may be lost forever. I turned that frustration into determination and I've been stacking ever since.

lovemyhawks

Back in 2015, before draftkings was a thing i would sports bet on nitrogensports and bovada. Probably gambled away 2BTC which was like maybe $500 at the time. Live and learn

btc_set_me_free

watch out for me selling .005486 BTC and spoiling all the fun

Jayrovers86

BTC has to break above the last high before BTC smashed 126k

Natural-Contact-3875

BTC is king

quintavious_danilo

BTC did me dirty like that as well. I did some DCA but I still have a pile of cash waiting to be dumped but hell, binding at $80k is so not according ton plan 😂

Comprehensive-Run615

No actually it’s super rooted in fundamentals like the limited supply for BTC which will see it reach 1million in 20xx and also satoshi is still alive

Typical_Redditor_1

Hell. I had managed to mine 25BTC way back in the day when it first came out in 2010 & I just forgot about it. Eventually the computer I had it saved on crashed & it was gone. Back then it wasn't even worth $20 so I just didn't care at the time.

chxnugs

I don't think the decision is bad with some rules, but the timing may not be so good. I'd wait for more bottoming signals first. BTC just had a rally

cban_3489

Made it with AI. Historical daily prices = Coin Metrics Community API Today's price = CoinGecko live spot API It's part of my personal BTC dashboard where I track things I like.

Just-Complaint-2094

I love how there are 100s of experts on here that know exactly what’s gonna happen while they live paycheck to paycheck buying BTC daily in the miracle hopes in booms. Lucky to see ATH again by 2040

NadlesKVs

That's literally not correct at all lmao. SPY/ QQQ are literally a combination of all of the top traded companies. BTC is not made up of the top Altcoins. Altcoins follow BTC because majority of Altcoins are traded against BTC (or ETH, SOL, etc) which a large portion are traded with using BTC.

Abject_Two_7104

I remember playing online Poker in BTC when bitcoin was way below 1€. Cant remember the name of the site. I still tell the story of „when I owned a few thousand bitcoins“

Porcellanidae

Because many traders use BTC as a form of exchange to trade altcoins. 

Earl_von_Grey

If you are so fearful when it comes to buying crypto (and are so eager to enter at lowest price possible) it just means you dont have enough cash to throw at it. After all, crypto is so volatile its easy to lose money. You might be better off not buying at all until you actually have enough money you can just throw at BTC without a worry.

burt-and-ernie

But all the Michael saylor talk! Redditors were convinced BTC was going to zero!

on_hype

Historically, alts lag BTC by weeks. Check the BTC dominance chart, not the price.

stoneman9284

The only reason altcoins exist is to trick people into giving them their money instead of buying BTC

Vipu2

So 1 BTC today is worth A LOT MORE than 1 BTC 10 years ago?

Elphax

I feel you man... I payed 60BTC per day for a botter to level me in Silkroad Online (mmorpg) 🫣💀

GTA6Daily

BTC and GTA 6 in the same feed is a wild combo

Alyanah22

Hard to say if it's a fakeout yet. Best to watch how BTC holds this level first.

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TheBestintheWest11

buddy, I lost probably around 40 coins back when I used to play RuneScape. Remember buying some BTC using my mom's cc back in the day thinking she would never know what a BTC is on her transaction (yes I know that's not how it works, but as a kid that's how I thought) and lost my account info and PC was thrown away. So yeah, I feel the pain but at the same time I drill it in my head that I never had BTC.

Revelati123

Dude: "Ive got a bunch of BTC and need a loan bro!" Bank: "Cool, hows your collateral secured?" Dude: "Guaranteed unhackable hardware wallet under my bed, trust me bro!" Bank: "Yeah... No..."

Ok-Sympathy9768

The NYNYC crowd will say no way, but the tax advantage and security vs self custody is something to consider. I am not tech savvy, but wanted BTC exposure so I started with GBTC and bought in a tax advantaged account, and switched to ETFs because of cheaper fees . Never had an issue. I trust the ETFs more than I trust myself. The reality is, 1 in 5 coins ever mined have been lost or stolen.. that’s crazy to think about. Additionally, if something happens with the ETFs, it will crash the price of bitcoin.

ComfortablePass4733

Land can't be stolen. BTC can be hacked.

RudGreyrat777

hay un dilema moral y ético entre la emisión de dinero fiat con el método de intercambio, al final BTC terminó siendo en una apuesta de bolsita de valores entre los astutos y perdedores que arrastran su codicia a unos pocos, donde llevan a cabo un juego psicológico de repunte y liquidación, cuando el valor sube los mas adeptos llaman a la codicia vendiendo sloganes y cuando liquidan se pierden a la vista, por mas que planifiques estrategias quedas en las mismas, solo es un juego mercantilista sobre los mas desposeídos. El método de intercambio y la reserva de valor vale verga cuando está de por medio la impresión monetaria de dinero fiat y la confizcación por parte de los gobiernos de los recursos mienerales y energéticos, todo lo demás es una falsa ilusión donde los que están en el privilegio tienen todo a su favor.

No_Community7021

Not similar at all because you can buy fractions of BTC. That's the whole points you wanna buy 1BTC but you can't afford so blame those who do? But you can't buy a fractions of a boomer's house.

Rough-Suggestion-294

Both framings here treat it as binary — either you hold the keys or you hold an IOU. There's a third structure that already exists in production, and it's closer to what you described than either failure mode you mapped. Some BTC-backed lenders build the loan around multi-key custody rather than a pooled balance: typically a 2-of-3 multisig where the borrower holds one key, the lender holds one, and an independent third party holds the third. The collateral sits at an address you can look up on-chain and confirm holds your specific coins. No single party can move it unilaterally, and liquidation runs through a pre-agreed cooperation path rather than a lender drawing down a pool. That isn't trustless — the key ceremony, the third party's competence and the loan agreement all still matter — but it does remove both of the failure modes you listed: there is no shared collateral pool to mismanage, and no bridge or wrapped token anywhere in the path. The question that actually separates the structures, and it is answerable in writing before you sign anything: is the collateral rehypothecated? Ask whether it is lent out, pledged elsewhere, or held segregated, and take the answer from the loan agreement rather than the marketing page. Most of what blew up in 2022 was not exploited bridges. It was lenders lending out collateral they had said they were holding. Two things worth knowing alongside that. Proof of reserves is not proof of solvency — an attestation showing which addresses a lender controls tells you nothing about what is owed against them, and the liabilities half is the one that is usually missing and the one that matters when you are asking whether your collateral comes back. And "not your keys, not your coins" comes apart in a different place than people expect here: in a pooled custodial loan you hold a claim on a balance sheet, in a multi-key arrangement you hold a key to a specific address. Those look almost identical in a feature comparison and behave completely differently the week a counterparty gets into trouble. None of this is advice, and none of it makes borrowing against BTC a good idea. It just means "you have to yield control in some way" is true of one structure rather than all of them, and which one you are being offered is checkable rather than a matter of opinion.

OB-Strat

Wrong it was no where near peak hype in 2025, your crazy. Macro was also bad, fed was QT which is NOT good for BTC.

Expensive-Paint-9490

You are not cooked. In the long term, BTC is going up. But that from this specifing point it is *only* going up is speculation.

Sufficient_Ice5637

Matches what I was thinking too . Smaller LN user base than Bitcoin overall, plus it needs a compatible wallet vs. a plain BTC address that works everywhere, so scammers sticking with the easier option tracks. But LN would be harder to trace since payments don't hit the public blockchain the way on-chain transfers do, so that gap could end up making it more attractive as adoption grows. Do you think scams on Lightning could actually become common once it's more mainstream and could be worth digging into later, or is there something that'd keep it unattractive to scammers even then?