BTC

pythosynthesis

You're onto Something OP. WallSt is smelling blood with STRC/MSTR and you know what that means. They don't want money from buying BTC cheap, but from STRC/MSTR stock in the gutter. And they're attacking their funding, not so much BTC. If STRC/MSTR cannot run the business because funding is too expensive, they'll need to sell coins to pay for it. And the recent sell of a handful of coins was the canary in the coalmine.

Blade_Runner_69

9day old account, 1 karma point... "Hello I own 8.5 BTC..." Totally believable 🧐

GIGAbtcHodl

Just Bitcoin, nothing else. Our portfolio is the example. 100% BTC treasury

Reach_Beyond

You could easily re-draw those lines to show it has not broken out. But yeah I am pretty heavy in ETH. 50/50 ETH BTC.

Slow-Food-524

BTC is a point to point asset. You do not make money holding it, only selling for more than you bought it for, Is the only way to make money. Forever holds do not make you money.

_adam_smasher_

So now BTC can go up 🚀

susosusosuso

Well, yeah they can do anything they want with USD, that's why you don't want to save on USD but on other assets. Fractional reserves: that happens if you go against the whole purpose of BTC: self custody: not your keys not your coins. The whole point is: you can't have fast payment metods such as Paypal or Visa with blockchain. You just can't because of the trilemma. You can go safer or you can go faster. Also, let's be realistic: people is not going to massively adopt crypto for savings, payments etc... We have the option to do it but it's still an option and after 15 years it's still a very low minority. And it would still be a minority even if it was fast, because it's NOT official money. The point is that I can keep my wealth in BTC and I can transfer it in a decentralized way. That's a reality and it works and it will never be faster than centralized methods. But still I don't care because I don't want to pay stuff in bitcoin.

Ace2021

I paid in BTC then topped up again by re-purchasing the amount immediately. If we want BTC to be useable as money we have to use it as such.

Prnce_Chrmin

> I seriously doubt BTC ever gets above 100k ever again. I mean you have given 0 reason so I will disregard that, but even based on former bears/bulls it could actually take a really long time to get to 100k again, like we could be talking 2 or even 4-5 years..

Prnce_Chrmin

> One good recovery day for BTC someday, and the entire doomer narrative will flip 😒 Like to where? A sudden jump from now 59k like to 85k, then 110k?

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jawni

Yes, but not specifically bullish on BTC. Like in 2022, I was bullish on SOL despite it dropping to single digit prices, because the price was clearly detached from the fundamentals. Right now there are a handful of things I'm bullish on, but the market has matured a bit so none of those are down 80% and the things that *are* down 80% probably deserve it.

Logical_driver_42

Send it but I’d buy 30k worth right now and if it hits 50k buy another 15k if it hits 40k buy another 15k find another 15k if it hits 30k. BTC rewards those who add on aggressively as it goes down

Logical_driver_42

I tired to convince people to buy it but they didn’t want to I had a very small amount in the market back then and BTC was only like 5% allocation. I think I had 300 or so in BTC at 17k avg bought over a few month period

unknowngloomth

How many times BTC has been declared dead?

alwxcanhk

BTC gives you the freedom to choose what you want. You can keep or sell. No one will gain or lose but you. If you are in dire need of money then sell. If not then keep. You know and I know that it will go up and by a lot.

Knff

every get-rich-quick-scheme ends with bagholders. The BTC winners are cashing out and the losers... well...

FullOf_Bad_Ideas

I agree on the first part, most of my investments are not in crypto. But I think BTC is still a good investment.

biggest_guru_in_town

Thus post is the sound of someone who bought the top, didn't have the stomach for the cycle, and is looking for external validation to justify throwing in the towel. Man nobody can force you to hold. Sell your shit but speak facts bro. a macro cycle grinds down, tech stocks are capturing all the market attention and retail investors flee to chase volatility elsewhere. Thats what happened. The people left behind in crypto spaces like OP get bitter. They mistake a temporary loss of market momentum for a structural failure. If we used his logic then everytime BTC takes a dump it has failed and is dead. Btw this is not the worst downturn. Everyone assumes BTC will go to 30k or 40k. Do they have a crystal ball to know that? This is probably the 490th time bitcoin is dead..probably more...this is the exact type of bs that historically marks the accumulation zones where smart money quietly builds their positions while These paper hand dudes FUD their way out of opportunity. You played yourself.

BangkokPadang

You begin with the wallet you’ve always had, for years you’ve had this wallet. We’ll say wallet A. Then, in order to protect the bitcoins from entering the new chain, as is being discussed, you move them to a new wallet, wallet B. Wallet B will have an entirely new seed phrase, completely different from Wallet A’s. This is why the person who is saying “It would be super annoying to have to etch a new seed phrase” is saying so because they would be moving their orignal BTC to a wallet they do not want interacting with the fork, and have to etch that new wallet’s keys for longterm preservation, because that is how they have chosen to store their private keys.

biggest_guru_in_town

This is cherry-picking. If you zoom in on a specific 5-year window that begins at a massive cyclical peak and ends in the absolute trenches of a brutal multi-month drawdown, I can use that same logic bro. I can make any high-performing asset look terrible on paper not just BTC. This is FUD nonsense man. ​you are deliberately ignoring the structural asymmetry of bitcoin. The S&P 500 doesn't experience 70–80% drawdowns sure but it also doesn't give you generational, asymmetric upside over a 10-to-15-year horizon. It will never fucking happen. So trying to measure btc's fundamental thesis purely by a localized, cherry-picked 5-year ROI during a tech-led equity rally is an emotional reaction to a red chart bro. And fyi no asset can magically become a widely accepted medium of exchange overnight without first establishing itself as a reliable Store of Value. Bitcoin is a work in progress at that. It's volatle,dpeculstive but it is evolving into that. A good percentage of the world still haven't discovered or used bitcoin yet. That is obvious. Expecting it to behave like a stable, fully mature fiat currency while it is still expanding its global network effect is putting the cart miles ahead of the horse. Absolutely regarded take. Look at Bitcoin for wha it is right now. It is undeniably an immutable, decentralized network with massive institutional rails, public corporate balance sheets, and multi-billion-dollar global spot ETFs. Calling it a rug pull is pure frustration talking man. There is no CEO. No unlock schedule no centralized treasury to dump on holders. So what the f are you talking about?

TomorrowLow5092

Here is a quote from the President. BTC is the best way for criminals to hide transactions and steal from rubes along the way. My bestie, God rest his soul, used it to pay off judges.

dj_destroyer

Nah, this would be wayyyy too easy of a bear market. You literally give up all hope and just accept that Bitcoin is done for -- and when you finally just stop looking and caring about it, accepting that all your BTC is going to $0 -- then it miraculously pulls out of it.

fearlessinsane

Sinking ship? Lol Do you think companies like BlackRock will lose money? Corporate entities and institutional funds now own roughly **3.2 million to 3.5 million BTC**—about **15% to 16.5%** of the total 21 million Bitcoin supply. Here is the quick breakdown of where it sits: **Spot ETFs:** Wall Street funds (like BlackRock and Fidelity) hold the largest institutional share, commanding over 1.6 million BTC. **MicroStrategy:** The world's largest corporate holder owns over 700,000 BTC, which is more than 3.5% of the total supply. **Public Miners:** Companies like MARA and Riot platforms collectively hold over 50,000 BTC from active mining operations. **Corporate Treasuries:** Other public and private firms (like Tesla and Block) hold an additional 200,000+ BTC combined. And this is just the public data. Sinking ship? Lol

clutchtho

I would invest some into Bitcoin, like 3-5% of your net worth, 15% is high but you're young and it's the time to take more riskier investments. I see BTC hitting 150k again, but it might not be until 2028.

Pack_External

The kind of courage I need to, but will never have. I am a very conservative risk taker 34M and my gut feeling has proven I was right many times. If you think a lot of things cannot go wrong at the same time, you are wrong, or maybe you know your luck cycle. From reading your replies, you keep saying it will definitely be double or 100K. If it was that simple to predict, everyone and their granddad would double their money. But the BTC cycle or pattern can change anytime and BTC can be at 15k for years to come. No one knows. For me I lost my job and whole lot of things at the same time in succession, But my safe investments + years of savings gave me peace of mind. What if an unforeseen accident occurs, that hinders income ? What if there could be another recession ? Wrong sub to say this , but If you borrow 100k and at least throw it in ETFs , you'll definitely have long term growth

Myc0n1k

I DCAd for years but also put in a lot of savings around 20k-100k throughout the time when there were big dips. Then I went and bought a house and sold a part of my crypto when BTC was around 105k or so. I told myself I’d DCA fast after the purchase but every month it’s something else. This broken down at the house. Needed to add a fence. Other expenses like all my tires got shredded. Next is a bunch of car maintenance again lol. A year later I’ve bought only like 5k in crypto and 3500 was btc. BUT the light is coming. I can see it.

devCheckingIn

Another 3500 BTC left IBIT yesterday. 🤣

Otherwise-Relief2248

Serious question. How can anyone really considered to be a BTC technical investor?

Sector__7

That’s probably what they have when it was set up. There was 0.4418852 BTC sent on March 3,2015 and another dust amount of 0.00002132 BTC on March 31,2026 probably from a scammer. [https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/159L1v25bWPbRBy9sLCtjDEn6Vqk7USCKD](https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/159L1v25bWPbRBy9sLCtjDEn6Vqk7USCKD)

Objective-Walk6780

Bitcoin is for winners who have the guts to buy when it’s scary and weaklings are crying about BTC (like right now) and sell when it has gone up 200% and everyone wants to get in on the action.

Character-Resist-961

Probably an old screenshot. The actual [wallet](https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/159L1v25bWPbRBy9sLCtjDEn6Vqk7USCKD) has 0.44190652 BTC

Good_Luck_9209

BTC wont get to 0, but it might.

BangkokPadang

They're saying they keep their private key etched into something physical. If they move their BTC to a new wallet, they'll need to etch the key for the new wallet in order to store it physically like they have the old one.

TheresNoSecondBest

It shows 0.00 BTC.

Otherwise-Relief2248

This time feels different because the shine is off on institutional investment and there are so many other distractions from institutions (AI), no real government adoption, and with more than 50% of BTC underwater, fear from new entrants. A novel problem looking for a solution.

Amazing-Jury-6886

I'm going to sell my NFTs and buy more BTC in the Dip !!!

Realistic_Fee_00001

> They do it already to reduce the memory requirements to run a node. This makes no sense. Mining a dust UTXO does not reduce memory requirements. It has nothing to do with it. >If fees did get to 100$ there would be very little dusting in any case and it is a fraction of the un-pruned blockchain today. That's a nice way of saying 99% will only own dust and there are unable to use BTC at all.

Efficient_Ice_1001

The question isn't who is selling, the question is who is buying when crypto returns look like this and a safe boring boomer S&P 500 index is returning 164% from early 2018 and 65% from late 2021? LTC is -18 from December 2013 XRP is -55% from December 2017 ADA is -80% from December 2017 ZEC is -45% from January 2018 XMR is -20% from January 2018 ETH is -18% from January 2018 when accounting for inflation LINK is -60% from 2020 SOL is -70% from 2021 price BNB is -20% from 2021 price Even BTC is -13% from 2021 high

PuttForDough

He is the CEO of BTC, right?

No_Theory9958

MetaPlanet has also purchased over 40,000BTC in 2026. I can keep going, just lmk how dumb you’d like to look!

SwimOld5053

Them going down means BTC will see a significant drop from here. BTC could drop -30% from here.

No_Theory9958

I mean… El Salvador literally just bought BTC yesterday 🤡

Reason_Boner

I mean everyone is saying we’re at the bottom but we’re down 2.5% this AM. Is this people getting out before Saylor “monetizes” the 2 billion 💵 of BTC?

EasyPleasey

The rise to 100K had the following catalysts: 1) MSTR buying billions every chance they got 2) The election of a "pro-crypto" administration 3) Institutional ETFs, allowing boomer money to buy BTC 4) The rise of Stablecoins 5) The worst inflation in the last 40 years 6) And most importantly, the backdrop of a 13+ year bull run (minus a blip in April 2020) What else is there? You have to have more people buying into bitcoin for it to go up, that is the cold hard truth. Now: MSTR has cratered, STRC is looking incredibly unstable, and the only way out for them is to dump their bitcoin. Trump is 2 years in and really only cares about grifting (Trump coin) and the EU has halted a crypto exchange. We could easily see an anti-crypto candidate emerge in the US. Institutional money, who were already skeptical of bitcoin and don't understand it, have now been roasted, all while watching index funds do what they always do, deliver returns. They are not going to come back. Stablecoins are still around, but if some of these companies get audited things could go sideways fast. Inflation is much more inline with where it has been almost all of my life, you can't tell people their fiat is evaporating at 13% anymore. If the markets finally cool off, and I suspect they will if you look at the Shiller PE ratio, stocks are overvalued at almost the peak dotcom boom, many people (not bitcoin diehards, but the people that have bought in and pushed it up this much) are going to sell anything that is risky and retreat to safety. The fact that it has cratered like this during a bull market is a terrible sign.

unknowngloomth

A mercenary is selling heavily into the euphoric bull run and buying during bears. You said you've been for a long time yet you didn't buy BTC or any other alt and made money off of them. Either that or you lost money on some shitcoin hence You've been here for a long time longing for BTC death innit? How many times has BTC declared dead? And it always rekindles and hit new ATHs

Reason_Boner

Because BTC is down over -2.5% this AM.

AttemptKitchen

I wonder who is still selling at this point, we are at prices not seen since 2024 pretty much for BTC. And for Alts 2022 or so.

MelangeBot

Why would any company buy BTC from MSTR at $59k right now if they can just wait till they are forced to sell and get a much lower price?

WastelandOfConfusion

Wait for $20k BTC. It’s 100% happening. $59,000 is still an astronomically inflated price.

CyberCrud

Buy BTC low this fall.  Sell high late summer 2029.  Make between 300-400% ROI.   Mining is dead.  I got out years ago.  Used to be lucrative back in the Ethereum POW days.  I could pull in $20 a day easily.   But those days are gone.  Alts are dead.  Your best bet is to play the cycle at this point.  You'd probably have better returns buying and staking alts that have a decent return.  I've made $976 staking on about $3k of alts.  I've also made $408 in BTC cashback on my Coinbase One credit card.  You can also earn interest on USDC that's higher than a savings account at a bank. Basically, you need to look for ways for your crypto to make itself money.  There's zero chance you'd make that on mining.  You might make a dollar a day.  Not worth punishing your machine over.  Your mining will never pay for your rig.  

__redruM

QQQM would better fit OP’s desire for risk. BTC is an interesting long term play, but isn’t doing anything before October, if ever again.

MelangeBot

The last one actively and recuring buying. Tell me when any of the ones you listed have bought BTC and at what price.

Aerocryptic

No it's like saying if you want to monetize on BTC their business model is the worst you can think of. Would you put your money in a fund that buys the highs and sells the lows? It has nothing to do with cycles but have a trading and investment strategy instead of buying blindly whenever you can

StunningRain1283

If you're looking to use BTC for everyday spending without constantly selling it, check out apps like Oobit. You can connect your wallet and pay anywhere Visa is accepted, while merchants receive fiat. Makes using crypto for daily purchases much more practical

_adam_smasher_

If "BTC is dead" people's think they are right, why don't they short BTC? They will be verry rich according to them.

unknowngloomth

Expect more drawdown. I predict BTC hovering between 45k to $50k

old_testament852

Where were they when BTC was 120k +

Skooober

Just checked brokerage app it says trading activity is 65% sell on BTC right now

Herox0102

For me all others coins are DEAD, Except BTC.

unknowngloomth

Why do you ask strangers for recommendation?it depends. The question will you take profit during the euphoric bull market? Or keep holding? Because those who bought BTC 2021 top and held thinking BTC would hit $500k is underwater.. There's only altcoin which been holding fine in this bear so far and it's hyperliquid. Everything else is struggling.

Apprehensive_Fee3821

That means they lose BTC overtime, so does it look similar to a Ponzi scheme?

aaaanoon

There are way more events to come before bottom- Saylor selling a tonne, triggering mass news events This years massive exchange breach Some news appearances regarding quantum attacks and the end of BTC

Romanizer

Absolutely. In the end they have the same goal as we all have: increase your BTC stack as much as possible.

Good-Book-6912

Why do people buy MSTR instead of some ETF? I think usually they will get more BTC exposure by just buying an ETF.

MelangeBot

So he is going to sell BTC and then buyback MSTR shares with it? Jesus he is setting it up to death spiral asap. Guess he is ready to buy MSTR puts with his personal (anonymous) account directly after every buy back (that will boost the price a bit).

soyuzbeats

I mean, they think BTC has some value. Maybe youu should lower your expectations

GeoSystemsDeveloper

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sideshiftai

Bullish. BTC is over 17 years old. It's not going anywhere 🤝

Leithm

So if they sold all their BTC tomorrow went bankrup and Bitcoin was 100$'s what do you think would happen?

Leithm

The BTC price will tell you, fallling price he is a forced seller of BTC or stock and you can't keep selling your stock to pay other shareholdrs for long without going bankrupt or going to prison i imagine.

Realistic_Fee_00001

No, it is a real problem. The coinbase will not pay for security forever. Fees have to take up the slack and since BTC has limited amount of transactions fee must rise to at least ~$300 to keep security high. And BTC cannot "be there" for more than maybe 1% of the people. If 1% make a single tx the BTC chain is clogged for 200 days. BTC is carried solely by the hope to sell it later for more, nothing else.

PhishingPhoenix

The quantum age is going to make it tough to keep the crypto narrative alive. And when it comes to adaptability, Bitcoin isn't exactly my top pick. The threats are real meanwhile the optimists keep telling us it's still decades away. Every +ve development in quantum space is going to drag crypto down but not every -ve one is necessarily going to push it down further as crypto narrative is losing global momentum (crypto regulations, restrictions, adoption, volatility etc.). If someone had told me back in 2015 that machine learning would deliver something like GPT I would have looked at it with the same skepticism I used to reserve for quantum developments back in 2020. I'm all for decentralized currency. But I'm running low on hopium for the BTC bandwagon.

bizi0909

I mean, I'd like if ETH woke up... Still Hyperliquid is the only one actually performing ever since BTC started to dip on May 14th. ETH is -30.18% for this period. Almost worst performer inside top 20 https://preview.redd.it/6zdb2u0evdah1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d93ce29a24843d1450ccc92586a18cbb2ca512d

LazyLifeguard

Bought $50k ETH. No regrets. Can't miggle with stocks anyway, but crypto in general was always tax free in the country I live in. Sticked to BTC all the way, first time branching out to ETH now.

bizi0909

I'm only invested in top 20 coins. Got rekt when I was looking for below top 100. Hype is the only coin actually performing during this BTC 2 month hiatus, so that's what I plan to buy when it eventually does fall. https://preview.redd.it/axkmgdequdah1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a403f8a0320d79e1f3316c5466d9a8b364e1738d

TheSquattingSlav_21

You did good, people here are often leveraged degens that are pissy the price is down and now waah waah BTC sucks, it will have great value in the future (and I strongly believe in ETH aswell)

Ach3r0n-

BTC has done this for many, many years. It always bounces back higher than before. That said, it could go down much further and take years to rebound.

Leithm

If BTC doesn't want them those transactions wil go somewhere.

Tichy

I don't really understand how MSTR works, but I don't like so many BTC concentrated in the hands of one entity. So them by and by selling BTC instead of holding them forever seems like a good thing. Much better than a sudden elimination and flash sale.

hamayunminato

To reach a price of $95,000 per token based on your parameters, Ethereum's market capitalization would need to grow to **$11.34 trillion** (assuming its current circulating supply remains completely unchanged). **The Breakdown** **Current Implied Supply:** $191 billion ÷ $1,600 = **119,375,000 ETH** **Target Market Cap Calculation:** 119,375,000 ETH × $95,000 = **$11,340,625,000,000** ($11.34 Trillion) **Today's Bitcoin Market Cap** Today, Bitcoin (BTC) holds a live market capitalization of approximately **$1.19 trillion**,

Realistic_Fee_00001

BTC made its pact with the devil. It fully relies on NgU for its value aka " Store of Value" there is no other utility left. They stripped the p2p cash part from it. If the price tanks enough and doesn't recover fast enough the believe in NgU might actually break and then it is over for BTC.

Realistic_Fee_00001

BTC is already broken though 🤷‍♂️ >As long as there are users needing peer to peer money and miners willing to validate and broadcast transactions, Bitcoin goes on forever. There is a very real problem of falling security if they do not manage to raise the fees, though.

MeasurementNo6022

The declaring of death has become a ritual on itself on which low BTC-holders put value as part of the proces / cycle / future. How crazy is that. Why can’t it just be a volatile product atm, used for pump and dump.

HotelPuzzleheaded654

BTC would be a stupid thing to waste money on.

Nettret

Thank you very much <3. I was aware of the mNAV they use, which is the 1.07 on their website, but I had no clue about the switch, as I don't really follow MSTR. But honestly, based on the information you presented, it seems that, value-wise, it might actually be a fairly priced company at the moment, as they finally provide what Saylor was selling to people when it wasn't actually true -> you get leveraged exposure to BTC, meaning that for 1 unit of cash, you get more than 1 unit of exposure to the underlying asset, which wasn't the case for the last few years, as he was promising this while you would actually get better exposure by buying BTC directly. That being said, my best guess is that the "we need more charts" comment means that he doubled down and will introduce some kind of buybacks or an equivalent mechanism to create a false sense of security. And he WILL be able to sell this idea to people, as it's even more economically complicated than what he was selling before (the leveraged exposure). I hate this, but sadly I believe he will be able to drag it through long enough to pass this cycle. Ofc he get fukdd if cycles are broken this time..

SimpleMoonFarmer

Still one of the best tools to escape financial repression and take your wealth as you flee a country. Politicians will continue to be a PoS (safest bet), BTC is there to help you.

BloodWillow

In the very, very unlikely (nearly impossible) event where the entire Global power grid is down, some people/communities would still be able to generate power through generators, hydropower and solar. In addition, mesh networks and HAM radio stations would fill the gap for communications/data relay. [Here's an article that addresses some of the problems, challenges and solutions currently available.](https://d-central.tech/bitcoin-beyond-boundaries-transmitting-through-radio-waves/) >Bitcoin’s transport layer diversity is growing. In 2026, we have satellite downlinks, LoRa mesh networks, shortwave relay, and experimental protocols all providing alternatives to plain internet TCP/IP. The [network hashrate](https://d-central.tech/mining-glossary/network-hashrate/) has crossed 1 zettahash per second. Difficulty has surged past 144 trillion. The block reward sits at 3.125 BTC following the April 2024 halving. Bitcoin is more robust, more distributed, and more resilient than ever. Long story short, if humanity survives, Bitcoin survives.

TargP

Nobody's forcing anything; it's available as an option. Wallet-to-wallet via Lightning Network. You know, the whole peer-to-peer, no intermediary thing? The whole thesis of Bitcoin?  I do think the community would welcome an education from you on why BTC without Visa and "normal payments" is inferior, though 👍

raynhornzxz

jeg har ikke fått noen epost varsel, heller ikke inne i binance, og jeg har lånt 200k for ordren jeg kjøpte i isolated margin trade (USDC/BTC), men blir litt nervøs nå i tilfelle jeg blir tvunget til å måtte selge med tap før prisen rekker å gå opp igjen.

Mariahausfrau

ETH is alt like it or not. BTC is BTC and everything else is alts and they follow BTC. Just hold it many years enough and you realize BTC is the only choice.

MECO-420

With 17 months of USD in reserve to cover the dividends, if they sell BTC now, its to buy back STRC or MSTR at a discount. Why shouldnt Saylor buy back STRC at $80 or $90 when they sold it at $100?

Disastrous_Camp6869

Unless the government decides to move towards a Central Bank Digital Currency (off the table til 2030 for now). This would mean every transaction is monitored by the government. This includes corporations. CBDCs would be sold as a way to “provide transparency” and “end financial criminal activity” and there are countless positives that would be the selling points… until the govt decides to put limits on your credits, give relief packages you have to spend or lose to bolster the economy, take fines and taxes directly from your account at will, etc. It would be masked as security, but at the cost of freedom. Should that happen or even be discussed, BTC will rise significantly.

newMoneyStyle

lmao true, BTC has basically become the global risk-on barometer. Anything sneezes in tradfi or tech and crypto catches the flu first

Kitchen_Net_GME

Over time you never know. BTC is a speculative asset. As an investment you hope someone down the road will pay more for it than you. And historically that has always worked as of 2025. Will that speculation pay off again? No one knows. Hence it being speculative. What’s crazy is it keeps going up, despite its lack of mainstream utility (as you said with the TSLA example). So this is a play that historically keeps going up without utility. And hypothetically, if utility does manifest then you could argue it will also go up for those reasons. Seems like a fair play. Only “bet” what you can afford. But seems like a pretty good thing.

EmJay6010

Hard lesson to learn but many make it. Never trade based on emotion (sentiment). Have a plan, follow it, adjust as needed. But have a system and follow it. If you want to trade BTC like a stock asset, then trade it like its an asset. Have your stop losses at technical points you have set, buy back at planned buy back points that is supported by whatever technical data you have or beliwve. Or if you are a believer, and plan is to HODL, invest only money you are prepared to lose and not impact your life. That way when you see the price drop, and like a big portion of BTC holders currently, are underwater, you are less tempted to make emotional trades as it was money you were prepared to lose anyways

No_Toe710

Real estate is expensive to hold because decent returns require leverage, in addition to RE taxes. And like other hard assets (gold, silver, etc) is tough to move without absorbing huge fees. BTC has no holding costs, and can be used as collateral for a loan that close in hours. Not weeks or months. It’s cheap to hold, easy to move, and does not require a ton of humans or silly fees to finance.

somethingimadeup

Everyone wants to make BTC to keep going up but also says they want things priced in sats. That will only happen with a stable price. You can have one of these things.

V_rddit_ot_2007-ma

If you are not selling your pants to go into BTC right now, you don't deserve to be on this subreddit.

nikko_at_autheo

This will be great for the crypto industry for sure. But the guy also predicted BTC to be at 350k in 2024.