BTC

Possible-Class5969

Sentiments of those who buy BTC at the top. Geez..

IronLawResearch

1.5 BTC puts you in rarer company than most people realize. Only a low single-digit percentage of all addresses hold a full coin or more — and while addresses aren't people (exchanges custody millions of users in a handful of wallets, and one person can hold many addresses), every serious attempt to untangle that still lands in the same place: a wholecoiner is well inside the top few percent of holders, and 1.5 is comfortably beyond that. But honestly, after 30 years around speculative markets, I'd gently push back on the comparison itself. "Am I above average" is the wrong scoreboard. The questions that actually determine whether you keep those 1.5 coins through a full cycle: is the position sized so you can watch it draw down 70% without selling, is none of it money you'll need in the next four years, and do you have an actual plan for what you'd do at cycle extremes instead of a vibe? Plenty of people accumulated more than 1.5 and handed it back to the market by oversizing, panic-selling bottoms, or getting cute with leverage. The average hodler's stack size matters less than the fact that most people, whatever their stack, don't survive with it intact. Being the guy who still owns his coins two cycles later beats being above average.

SpontaneousDream

Show us all time charts of your coins againt USD and BTC Thanks for playing lmao

lockduck1

Wait till you discover Travala. My last 3 vacations paid fully with BTC.

GuitarAlternative336

I'm on 0.1BTC at about $10k AUD worth just DCAd in over the last 12 months If It goes to zero I'm prepared to lose it, if it goes 10x I won't complain

Bradystanish

1.5 BTC is a lot compared to above average holders

Disastrous_Fee5953

You can’t pay for travel or hotel with BTC in most if the world; even in most first world countries. So the fact that no one would accept it is holding me back. Lol.

jojothehodler

Quantum solutions already exists, problem is there are a lot of them. Consensus is being discussed to select "the one". And this is not a BTC consensus, it is a world wide cryptography consensus. No need to worry, we do really have. A lot of time before it becomes a problem, do NOT listen to the headlines of crap newspapers, they really don't know what they are talking about.

Sadlave89

You are this guy, who paid for pizza few hundreds BTC?

Single-Kitchen9702

BTC sentiment can look dead on the surface while bigger players quietly reposition. happens more often than people think.

Visual-Juggernaut455

BTC loves shaking out impatient people while capital quietly rotates behind the scenes lol.

Mysterious_Sleep7443

Are BTC and ETH dead?

inadyttap

I bought some more BTC. 

Jadeonchain

Yeah, 1.5 BTC is a very solid stack compared to the average hodler. A lot of people talk about being early, but not everyone actually held through the volatility.

youtubeBitcoinTabs

I expected bitcoind to finish syncing and then showing that the BTC was already spent long ago...

unusual-fire

As there are better alternatives and BTC/ETH fail to innovate, it's hard to allocate funds towards them. So it's only traders and NGU people who try to make money but builders are moving elsewhere. So less dead but more slowly dying.

Rippliever

OG Rule #1: never say how much BTC you have.

TheresNoSecondBest

Here's how spending bitcoin directly looks like: https://youtu.be/Tlhvnpi2ukA If you're thinking about spending some, here are my favorite directories: http://lightningnetworkstores.com/ https://btcmap.org - awesome map, you can even add your local vendors in, once you orangepill them. https://acceptlightning.com/list.html https://spend-sats.com/ https://spendabit.co/ https://directory.btcpayserver.org/ There's also an option of buying gift cards https://thebitcoincompany.com/ https://bitrefill.com https://www.egifter.com/buy-gift-cards-with-bitcoin - this one's least fave because they use a shitty custodian for payments but are handy for a few cards. Spend and earn some sats back: https://foldapp.com - save up to 20% Starbucks, Uber, Target , whole foods , Dunkin https://www.lolli.com – save up to 30% by spending BTC anywhere but primarily USA stores https://satsback.com/stores-list - save up to 20% by spending BTC anywhere but primarily Europe stores.

Jonny_Sidepin

You mentioned it would take you two years to save up the extra 13k for the bike, is a bike really worth two years of your life? Is there an option where you can earn more money somehow? You might be better off taking that 7k you have and using it to pay for some training/education to gain new skills and monetise that so that you can earn more? Or using it to start a side business so that you can then earn more, save faster? Both of those options at least leave you potentially better off in the future as well as getting the bike, rather than gambling that BTC will go up 200% before then.

degenerativeguy

It could but no one is using that because why🤷‍♂️. Same thing with btc units. Do you say you buy a cup of coffee wi**th 0.00005445 BTC or 5445 satoshis. Smaller units are invented beca**u**se **i**ts just easier to u**se.

Zestyclose-Suit-2858

Bro I'm like 85% in BTC. The 95 is because it went down from All time High. :)

Important_Neck_2122

I've been purchasing almost 1ks worth of BTC each week for almost 5 yrs. And will keep doing so, for my daughters future. Best asset you can purchase in my opinion.

Choice_Employee_7739

Thanks for sharing! So you mean the architectures of BTC and ETH are fixed now. Could their developers update or scale them for better use?

DreamingTooLong

I’m buying $.25 worth every 60 minutes using STRIKE ($180/month) It auto transfers to a hardware wallet once I have a balance of 200,000 sats They allow as little as 100,000 sats for auto transfer but too many inputs is a pain in the ass in the future. (100k sats = 1/1000th of a BTC)

Forded_Fiction24

If your goal is accumulating the most BTC as possible, then it's best to not just invest in BTC actually  I wouldn't have near as much Bitcoin as I do now if I had ironically only invested in Bitcoin exclusively. Different assets have different investment time horizons. I find it advantageous to have some short to medium term investments and then roll those profits into buying more Bitcoin for the long haul

Nick700

Strike is an exchange not a self custody wallet so they don't give you any seed phrase because there aren't any specific bitcoin set aside for anyone, they just show you an IOU of how much BTC you've purchased, until a request to withdraw is made then they actually gather the correct amount of BTC and send it from any random one of their wallets

thuthanh

*BTC at $72K, Robinhood Chain doing $500M volume, and people still say crypto is dead. Okay.*

LongDaysPleasntNites

Ther have been a bunch over the years. Do a couple searches and I’m sure they’ll come up. Millions in value lost. I stopped paying attention to them and only focus in on BTC

macetheface

there's less than 1M people in the world that own more than 1 BTC https://bitinfocharts.com/top-100-richest-bitcoin-addresses.html And this assumes each wallet is 1 person which is not necessarily true so it's less. 0.01% of the world's population. Not a lot of people with more than 1BTC are going to be posting here anyway and the ones that do are prob fake/ bots. r/cc is rife with bots

bitusher

> Who are the main purchasers of those old ASICs? A mixture of used ASICs sold on the open market to small miners and amateurs , relocating their business to elsewhere so simply diversifying into AI while still mining, or selling to other large miners. >Also- what does the depreciate schedule look like for ASICs? These days its mostly the life of the ASIC before failure where ASICs can last 10-15 years before starting to fail in a dry/clean environment with clean power and not generations of ASICs leapfrogging each other Moores cliff means old ASICs do not become obsolete as quickly. The newest ASICs are already down to 2nm , to put things in perspective Intels most common expensive retail chips are still at 10nm , there really isn't that much more room for BTC ASICs to shrink which means decentralization of mining . There are also many fundamental misunderstandings people have towards the advantageous and disadvantageous in industrial mining. A few things you need to understand about mining – Chipmakers like TSMC and Samsung as 2 examples (Soon to add intel/amd to this list) are the ones that are commissioned to make most ASIC chips(not the full assembled ASIC miner) based upon designs from Bitcoin ASIC manufactures. These foundries are involved in diverse chip making and obviously aren't directly involved in Bitcoin or its politics but fulfilling large orders from whoever commissions them. The most popular ASIC manufacturers for Bitcoin right now are Whatsminer, Innosilicon, Bitmain, Caanan, Ebit, and Ebang. Many more ASIC manufacturers exist but they come and go based upon merit in a highly competitive race. For example Bitfury used to be one of the best manufacturers , and now has very little market share. Bitmain used to dominate , and than made some poor design decisions (lead engineer left them) and now competes with at least 4 others for the most efficient ASICs. This is a highly competitive and changing ecosystem. Large miners main advantage is economies of scale over smaller miners. If you are an ASIC manufacturer you have large advantage over others because you can premine off your newest hardware and sell you last generation ASICs to others. This does occur , but is simplistic view and not the full picture. The reality is ASIC manufacturers Sell their newest ASICs with partners for industrial mining , sell their latest hardware to smaller miners for a premium, and mine themselves, while at the same time selling older ASICs on the market. Why do they do this? Because ASIC manufacturing is highly competitive and they need to hedge their investments as quickly as possible and de-risk from regulatory concerns as well. Amateur mining doesn't come with many risks of manufacturers who come and go (they are forced to make huge investments in ASIC orders and have long development pipelines fraught with risks) Amateur mining does not have the overhead of employees , security, regulatory compliance, building costs, tax liabilities , etc... Now here is what is interesting, this last generation of ASICs that went from 7nm to 5nm and some even as low as 3nm in size did not have the same efficiency jumps as previous drops. This is because 3nm is already at the edge of what can be done with silicone, we can possibly shrink down to 1-2 nm but it gets extremely difficult as the gates start to get the size of a few atoms wide and quantum concerns and heat become a very big concern. Why is any of this important? In the past when ASICs went from 14nm to 12nm there was larger improvements in efficiencies which gave an advantage towards those who could manufacture and mine themselves and their partners. ASICs would become obsolete sooner 8 months to 1 year at times which makes it difficult for amateur miners to recoup their investment in an ASIC especially those that by the slightly older generation equipment. As moore's cliff approaches (2nm might come out in 2025 at the earliest and 1 nm is likely very far off.) this means that this latest generation of ASICs will have a much longer shelf life which means the variable above is much less important and the greater importance is a complex mix of what sort of electrical rates you can get - overhead costs. Now remember what I said about the advantageous of amateur mining. Industrial mining has other advantageous too like economies of scale and specialization but many disadvantageous as well. What this ultimately means is we are entering a period of commoditization in mining(the opposite of centralization). The economics force this direction. industrial miners will still exist but more and more amateur miners will enter the ecosystem. Eventually new companies will be also created that create products to recycle the waste heat (already exists , but prices will start to drop considerably for consumers)

Important_Neck_2122

When BTC is $250k, you won't be sad for purchasing it at 65k. DCA or purchase small amounts weekly, set it and forget it!!

Electronic-Rate5497

Yes. Owning 1 full Bitcoin already puts someone in a very small group globally. Here’s why: There will never be more than 21 million BTC. The world has over 8 billion people. Even if Bitcoin were distributed perfectly (it isn’t), only about 0.26% of the world’s population could own 1 BTC. In reality, many people own fractions of a Bitcoin, and millions own none at all. Some individuals, companies, ETFs, and governments hold thousands or even hundreds of thousands of BTC, making full-coin ownership even rarer.

Important_Neck_2122

BTC is 25% of my portfolio. I have been purchasing at least $750 weekly for the past 4.5 years. Some weeks, I double or triple my purchase. Once a month I transfer from the exchange to my cold wallet. In my opinion, it's the best asset I can purchase. My daughter will be pleasantly surprised when I give it all to her one day for her future!!

Responsible_Potato76

jk. I love BTC. smart money still buy BTC in bear. but retailers are too scared and left the chart hence dead crowd

Leynnox

So dead that BTC outperformed most stocks this month.

66NickS

That math would only apply if every person in the world had some BTC. In reality, only some small percentage of the world’s population does. A quick web search says estimates are around 100-500 million people have BTC. And of that, the majority of BTC is held by approx 1% of holders. That could potentially skew the average and median.

Important_Neck_2122

It's best to DCA when the market is down, not rising. I've been purchasing $500 of BTC weekly for almost 4 yrs now. Best asset money can purchase!!

MediocreTax7927

Makes sense but I’m not sure if dividing by the global population paints an accurate picture since the percentage of people having BTC is very low today.

DiamondHandsDarrell

With my 4% BTC back credit card I have gotten 0.037 BTC since about August of last year. Going to keep accumulating and paying for everything possible with the credit card. I'll save it for when I retire lol

Top-Care-8946

OK. Sure it makes difference. By the way I am using Trezor Safe 3 Universal (to collect both BTC and tokenized gold crypto). When I started to choose my very first HW wallet (I am beginner), I considered all options but me too, I don't like the fact that there's no other way to verify and confirm correctness of entered data and characters- All is done inside the phone app and thus there is a risk of compromise (by using fake app). Trezor and Ledger have their own display and keys to select and enter data+ any transaction or change in device settings must be verified and confirmed on Trezor itself instead of the app. Yes transaction is initiated by using PC app but actions must be confirmed with connected and activated device. If for an example the receive address does not match on both suite and device display then user can simply just cancel action. The same way Trezor always checks firmware integrity. I like Trezor, it also protects users from malicious transactions or at least does not allow to trade with them if altcoins are flagged as suspicious then they just become freezed.

bitusher

With a decentralized ledger its impossible to prevent spam so we can simply drive up costs . BIP110 tries to do so in a very ineffective and harmful manner that also breaks many monetary use cases of Bitcoin and encourages spammers to hide their spam more which has nasty consequences Here are 5 better solutions : 1) The best solution as I often promote is to spend and replace Bitcoin as money. This is best done on other layers like lightning that use much less blockspace, but the more people that open and close channels the higher the fees exist for spammers which will encourage them to use altcoins instead for their spam. Yes , more l2 txs reduce onchain use which is why a large focus should be on adoption overall to increase both L2 and onchain transactions concurrently. 2) The second best solution is education which I have been doing for many years where I inform people that nfts/inscriptions are scams and don't do what people claim they do and are a waste of time. Another important point of education is pointing out the fact that Bitcoin is not immutable as many spammers like to market to sell their product. 3) A third solution is we invest more in bitcoin and bitcoin adoption which raises the price of Bitcoin and since fees are priced in BTC onchain fees will grow as well pricing out spammers . 4) You can set your op_return filter to any setting you want even with corec30 or v31. My personal node is set below the default of knots . Although my pool node is best set to the default of core for better block propagation 5) Spam is just one aspect when the overall concern is efficient block usage. Core is constantly updating to insure better efficient use of Blockspace usage and reducing UTXO bloat in many ways. If you are not a developer you can also help when a company or service misuses the blockchain. Common examples: a) coinbase initially used 2 onchain txs for every withdrawal instead of 1 and also didnt use batching. We shamed them and used other exchanges until they corrected this behavior. b) Some exchanges today still don't use batching for withdrawals . Shame them and use better exchanges until they change c) Some exchanges still don't allow lightning withdrawals .Shame them and use better exchanges until they change d) consolidate your utxos and or batch txs where its appropriate . Use lightning or other l2 options as much as possible e) Shame any miner or company that uses or promotes spam and don't do business with them. Those are 5 quick solutions among many more that I actively am involved in. Suggesting solutions that don't work at all or have very harmful tradeoffs is not effective. This being said I completely support your right to enforce any rules you want on your node and even fork off. Power to the node operators. Just do so with your eyes open because BIP110 supporters and their leaders often are lying or making misleading statements .

Hypnot1se

I wouldn't be comfortable with 1 cent of BTC it's not and investment 

Blixx96

Isn’t the point of BTC to be decentralized?

omni_wisdumb

Did you read what I wrote? I've been in the space longer than 99.99% of you. Why would I be jealous when I'm already a whale, I'm saying it's idiotic to tell people to liquidate their life savings and put it all into BTC, if you think that's a good idea then you're a fool and jealousy has nothing to do with it. Don't be jealous and you do it yourself. And who said? Literally someone just comment with a chart claiming it'll be at $10M in 10 years and over 1M basically this year. That's moronic.

Objective-Dance6721

How many BTC did that come out to?

ContributionOk4014

This is how you feel now, but that is the machine they’ve built. The fake value only depending on others holding the same mindset. If it were to drop 70% overnight, it would probably break the mentality they’ve spent years catering. There is nothing special about BTC. Nor a satoshi other than it being the big name that got funded by market makers. It’s actually one of the dumbest coins utility wise. Slow, expensive, and fractionalized. The only reason why people continue to buy is the trust. Break the trust / hope and there is no motive.

BallisticTherapy

Or what might happen since everybody knows October is the bottom is they will go along with that, let them get i to position and run it up to get people to FOMO in that are chasing momentum then flush below the October lowsbwhen the Nasdaq bubble blows and get huge capitulation/panic sellers to accumulate more BTC from paper hands.

nassauboy9

BTC don't care. Never mind the noise in the market, just the price of the fish

Visible_Coconut_4707

Bitcoin has survived plenty of criticism already. Meanwhile, the ecosystem keeps growing, with more ways to use native BTC beyond simply buying and holding. That's what keeps me optimistic long term.

Visible_Coconut_4707

HODLing doesn't necessarily mean doing nothing. Some people hold long term while also exploring newer Bitcoin infrastructure like native BTC staking. It lets them keep their BTC instead of trying to trade every cycle.

Visible_Coconut_4707

Nice. If I had that much BTC, I'd probably look into native BTC staking too. Holding is great, but it's interesting seeing Bitcoin become useful in more ways while staying on the Bitcoin network.

candydvault

Its dead everyone who invest in BTC get fucked up in next 5-10 years. Do you really think the broad masses should earn money at all in this day and age, apart from getting rich, do you all seriously think that they want that? They are long out of the ship and colonise currencies of which you know nothing. Research and make your own opinion as like such a herd to run after all the others. Some people have ant brains. Everyone who upvotes please remember 5-10 years what I wrote here. You won't sit on your crap, I won't 🤣 And why do they even advertise on TV that you should buy btc you are so stupid

GenXist

I was pretty religious about it for years. Not just BitCoin, all of my positions (crypto, stocks, bonds, ETFs, etc.) Beverly times per day. I thought nothing of making a thousand trades a year (mostly buys, sometimes I'd be on the wrong end of a covered call and half to sell/take profits), I mean super active, but... January 23, 2026, was it. Apropos of nothing. I just fucking stopped. I've had some limit buys on the way down with BTC and others, but I haven't checked anything, even at the end of a quarter, even while I see notifications from Robinhood, WeBull, and Charles Schwab that my income producing assets are paying me dividends, interest, and other distributions. Could be depression (I've had a lot going on this year and my health has finally caught up with me), I dunno. One day it was super important as it had always been; the next I just didn't give a fuck. I guess I'll find out how I did in 2026 when the tax man comes for me...

poundsdpound

"Siri - remind me to view this post as soon as BTC hits 48k again." Or something

plintervals

Not even close. You can live in a house. And the housing market isn't as volatile as BTC.

Scarab702

We live in a fiat world. Unfortunately fiat isn't going anywhere in our life time regardless of what some BTC evangelists are saying. You buy BTC to get more fiat which increases your purchasing power so your fiat doesn't lose to inflation. That's all.

Crypto-Bets

Yes. I would recommend purchasing BTC for your portfolio Right Now while we’re near the 4 year cycle bottom.

locotx

Sure it does. Especially if you are using BTC as collateral for a loan.

Legendary-Lemon

BTC is dead.

twscho

They say BitCoin could be worth $10Million in 20 years. Your 0.1 BTC would then be worth $1Million. The question is, can you practice self restraint and not spend it before 20 years? 🤣. You might want to pick up an extra 0.1 BTC just in case!

PanamaThunder

For real I don’t care about price anymore only having more BTC is my mission

Reach_Beyond

At least they have projects. BTC is my blue chip, ole reliable. ETH is my technology longer shot, future of finances built with ETH as a backbone, stablecoins, institutions, verification, digital assets. I can follow what’s going on and be excited. I think the returns from today have higher potential on ETH than BTC. However, higher risk of this not materializing. Don’t care if I’m wrong or you disagree, that’s my thoughts on why ETH,

modefi__

You could be making killer money elsewhere to then move into BTC, but you do you.

Vergilkilla

Big risk big reward. At least he did BTC and not some small coin 

Klutzy-Sea-4857

25 years out? A small BTC allocation makes sense, maybe 5-10% of the portfolio.

Unfair_Implement_582

Irrelevant either way. It’s designed to be a solution to a predatory monetary system. The majority of BTC‘s movement is due to the very same Wall Street manipulation, by leveraging what is not in cold storage and putting it in different investment gambling vehicles to manipulate the price. But there will be one day, (and it looks like it’s coming sooner than later) where the dollars that it’s valued in right now will be worthless.

tedusam

It doesn't make sense to do that. BTC crashes and pumps every time depending on the cycles. So you want to save the post to laugh in the future and then cry?

Expensive-Money-5429

Bro we are all 90% BTC 10% stocks here

blaziken8x

Well, at least you checked the charts and decided to ask for a second opinion, so there's that. Now time to lower your expectations and look for something that will get you 2x return maybe 3x if you're lucky. (like BTC maybe!?)

BestialitySurprise

It's held strong for a couple of weeks but not breaking any major ceilings. There's more sellers than buyers now. And the US Economy is on the brink of collapse due to the mountainous debt problem. That will probably begin to implode come the fall. I think you're very wrong and considering that BTC has never seen a real recession, something like 2008 is going to bring all assets to a long-lasting lo; If people don't have money, BTC isn't going up. Next couple of years are likely a great time to buy for the next bull run but we are far from that bull run considering all external forces at play here.

lk1191

did she take half your BTC?

Reach_Beyond

All my “crypto” assets I shifted to stablecoins from 2024-2025. I am 100% back invested. 61-64k BTC, and 1.8-2.2k ETH. Didn’t get the bottom but didn’t want to chance missing the bottom. What do you think the bottom will be. If we hit a bad total stock recession maybe they go down significantly from here. Other than that I think we hit bottom or near bottom already

Bitcoin_First

What you are describing is leverage with extra steps. Borrowing against BTC to buy BTC means a price drop hits you twice. Your collateral falls, and the coins you bought fall with it. Quick numbers at today's price. 1 BTC at 64k, you borrow 19k (30% LTV) and buy 0.3 more. You now move like 1.3 BTC but the debt stays 19k. A 50% drawdown puts BTC at 32k. Your stack is worth roughly 42k, you still owe 19k and the LTV on your collateral just went from 30% to 60%. Most lenders send the margin call around 70%. One more red week and their system sells your coins at the bottom. Liquidation always happens at the worst price. This is by design, not bad luck. Also check whether the lender rehypothecates collateral. If they re-lend your coins and blow up, your BTC is gone even if you never missed a payment (Celsius example in 2022..) Your gut already told you the answer. Borrowing against BTC at low LTV for a house or a business can make sense. Borrowing to buy more BTC is the one version where the honest answer is usually don't. Hope this helps 🫡

Klutzy-Sea-4857

With a 25-year investment horizon, consider allocating 5-10% of your portfolio to BTC and holding it long term. If it performs well, you benefit significantly. If it does not, your blue-chip investments will carry the portfolio. This is a solid strategy for risk-averse investors.

tenor_tymir

We’re not early. Nation states are openly investing in BTC, a pro-BTC legislation is going into review and the USA is maintaining an official BTC national reserve. How can this be early? Early was 10 years ago.

No-Masterpiece2246

lol BTC code is shit, weird old functional programming with outdated 90s libraries. The transport protocol was plaintext until recently.

GoalRoad

So to double his money say in 10 years, he would need BTC to be at maybe $175k-ish. Doesn’t seem unreasonable

Quick-Scientist-3187

My TEMU 🔮 is saying Nov/Dec. The perfect time to fück with peoples budgets. BTC or Christmas presents. 🤯😡 This is why I DCA🤟🏻

No-Masterpiece2246

ETFs don't buy memes and DeFi. They only buy BTC/ETH/SOL.

nerdburg

You don't lose anything until you sell. Now is the time to buy more, not sell. BTC is infamously volatile, so any predictions you hear about it's future value are just speculation.

Careful_Silver1045

I am with you. Same story. Quit 10 years ago to move from great paying large corporate to a start up. First significant cash out last year. 75% in ETF, 25% in BTC. Enough to support my 3 kids through university. Could already FIRE (not due to BTC though ;-)). Nonetheless, i strongly believe that my 25% BTC will outperform my ETFs in the long run.

mllewisyolo

BTC fell from 125k to 60k in nine months. 2022 it went from 66k to like 16k. Good luck with that.. If I were you I'd work on my risk management skills a bit.

DV_Zero_One

I don't know too much about crypto but I work (as a FX and rate swaps trader) at an institution that has a dedicated Crypto desk. They have made some great calls on BTC in the 5 years since the desk was integrated. They are saying that the BTC price will halve again in the next 2 years. (After correctly guessing it would quickly halve from its tops : albeit 10k too early)

YOLO911911

I’ve been buying google for 21 yrs now and it ended up being a good move. Google may win the AI race and their E/P ratio is still good. I also bought Rivian… and bitting my nails for it but I’m always hopeful Rivian will recover one day… is BTC more like google or Rivian?

YOLO911911

Try using the tipranks website to decide where to invest. They have free stock analysts summaries for 4 stocks each time you visit. Google had an 87% return in the last 12 months. It may be high but the E/P ratio is still decent. BTC has not revenues… hard to justify a projected growth once you saturated the market of possible buyers as growth only relied on demand to offer dynamics…

Inevitable-Cat869

Do you personally see a clear future trajectory for BTC? If yes, invest. If no, don't. I started investing in it, because my friend kept constantly pitching it. But after thinking about it, I realized I don't really see the same narrative/vision so I stopped. It makes me sleep better at night because I followed what I personally thought.

YOLO911911

A friend in investment banking said BTC will tank further overtime as people realize the investment/BTC does not generate any intrinsic financial returns. The fundamentals are weak compared to stocks. But at the same time stocks can also tank with geopolitical turmoils we are getting on the world stage…

Big-Finding2976

The only point I disagree with is 5. The threat may be a few years away but so are the solutions. With BTC there hasn't even been a decision made about which upgrade proposal should be implemented, let alone a timeline for doing so. With ETH the roadmap targets full protection by 2029 but it could take longer, bearing in mind that every bridge, L2, DEX, etc. is vulnerable. Solana doesn't even intend to upgrade yet and just says it has a plan to do so if quantum becomes a "credible threat". There are chains like QRL that have been designed to be quantum-proof from day 1, without any vulnerable legacy systems that need to be updated or migrated away from, and with the upcoming Zond upgrade it will be EVM-compatible so it could become a competitor to those vulnerable chains. There are also other L1s being developed that can run nodes on cheap computers with the ability to scale and process very high TPS without needing to use any L2s, so they won't have the difficulties that ETH faces with its upgrade.

FitCompetition1804

I’ve been in this market since 2026 and the only thing I feel in the air is smoke from Canada wildfires and another BTC dump later within the next 1-4 months before we are out of this bear market.

jgarcya

BTC = 64,000 then .1 = $6,400. BTC=125,000 then .1 = $12,500 BTC = $250,000 then .1 = $25,000 BTC= $500,000 then .1 = $50,000 BTC =$1,000,000 then .1 = $100,000. Is this enough? Ten years is two and a half four year cycles... If the new Ath is hit this cycle we'll see BTC at $200,000+ Next cycle might be $250,000 Ath. So I can't see $25,000 as life changing money.

omni_wisdumb

You clearly aren't around the Internet enough. People throw around dumb figures like $10M BTC because it will "become the currency of the world". At this point the odds of it even doing a 10x is highly unlikely in the next 10 years, and there are far better investments opportunities. Not saying don't invest, but to liquidate all your money and go all in into just BTC is peak stupidity. You can say that about any single investment.

quintavious_danilo

Yes, why not start DCA and never give it up again, you’ll exceed 0.1BTC in a few years. More is ~~not~~ always better.

Deus_Desuper

Pretty childish mentality. Bitcoin is supposed to be currency right. So you buy things with it. So if you sell some...to buy something.. mission accomplished. Also, BTC has different meaning for each person. A lot of people literally see it as a stock to make money from. Others see it as a end all be all to corruption of money. You don't get to define someone else's use for something they bought. 🤷‍♂️

Cortisol_Spike

Why don't wait until BTC reaches $30k..? Then you would have gotten 3 whole coins for your fiat money.

jaimewarlock

A lot of people like Kraken, but it has a ton of red flags. They are not only replaying all the events that occurred at FTX & Mt. Gox before they went bankrupt, but showing even more additional red flags. \- Payouts to prominent politicians. This is preparation for upcoming legal troubles. In the past small companies like Mt. Gox never did this, but crypto is getting big money now, and it is standard procedure to donate money to your favorite politician before going belly up. We saw it with FTX. \- Delays on deposits. After you manage to get past the canned AI responses to a real human, they have to escalate the issue. Deposits that use to take about an hour, now take a couple days. Note this is unrelated to their recent security issue which involved fiat transfers from banks that weren't completely finalized. As for crypto, even their BTC deposits required multiple confirmations, so this was never an issue. Their fiat security issues are just being used as a smoke screen for their failure to credit crypto deposits. \- Delays on crediting your account. Even after they confirm your deposit, it doesn't show in you account wallet. Once again, you have to jump through hoops to talk to a real human. After that, it takes several days to get credited. \- Random cancellations of accounts. This is huge. Hundreds per day. Recently, a lot of people have been complaining about their account being closed for no good reason. Of course, I don't know their circumstances. However, I do know mine. I went through their KYC, which was by far the most stringent I have ever done. I only own untainted coins bought from major exchanges. I only used Kraken for selling coins to get fiat in my bank account. I never used a VPN and could verify my IP address with my local ISP. I have never lived in or traveled to a banned country on their list. There could be no valid reason to close my account. Apparently, I am not alone in this. They are deleted now, but when I went to their Reddit thread a few weeks ago, I saw dozens of posts by people with the same complaints. \- Gas lighting customers. This is the message they send when they close accounts: "Unfortunately, we must inform you that we will be closing your Kraken account. For security purposes, we cannot disclose the reason for this action". Basically, they say you were bad, but they won't tell you why. They do this to everyone, not just a few special cases. \- Attempting to Destroy Evidence. After they closed my account, I received the following message "To protect your personal information, we ask that you delete this email thread". Note that the email thread did not include any information that they didn't already have or wasn't already available from multiple sources. The only possible motive was to avoid a paper trail showing that they were acting in bad faith. No other exchange has ever done this, but I have witnessed this behavior on several occasion by people with malicious motives. I consider it to be a red flag. I have been majorly involved in cryptocurrency since 2013. I have witnessed multiple companies go bankrupt. And in every case, before they went bankrupt, they showed at least two of the above red flags. Kraken is showing them all.

North_Dog_5748

Well, my (SMH) semis could bounce back anytime, and I think I'll be very firm again (BTC) by 2029 so just gotta give it a little while, lol

btc9611

AS YOU ARE IN INDIA, HOW ARE YOU PLANNING TO WITHDRAW THIS AMOUNT WITHOUT PAYING TAX? AND WHERE HAVE YOU STORED THESE COINS? ON THE EXCHANGE OR A HARD WALLET? WHATS THE BEST WAY TO STORE AND STAY SECURE THIS MUCH AMOUNT OF BTC? Because I also want to invest a lumpsum into, I don't know where to store it safely. And what's the best way to evade the 30%

katamarijuana

Key metrics I personally track. **- BTC/USD w/ 200-Week Moving Average** Shows long-term fair value. Price above = overvalued. Price below = undervalued. [Link](https://www.coinglass.com/pro/i/200WMA) **- U.S. Dollar Index (DXY)** Bitcoin tends to move opposite the dollar. Falling DXY = bullish for BTC. Rising DXY = bearish. [Link](https://www.tradingview.com/chart/?symbol=TVC%3ADXY) **- MVRV Z-Score** Market Value / Realized Value Shows if BTC is historically overvalued or undervalued. Above 7 = potential top (overheated) Below 0 = undervalued (strong buying opportunity) [Link](https://charts.bitbo.io/mvrv-z-score/) There's a few others like Bitcoin Dominance and Dormancy Flow that may be useful to you. I don't like looking up each metric every time I want an update, so I've used Grok to get live values. It cant get on chain data but some data is available. You can verify yourself using different resources. I then take the Grok response and then copy/paste into a Claude chat that helps me process it in a short consumable format.

536565454

People buying BTC treat it only as store of value, not utility.

omni_wisdumb

You did not invest 11yrs ago. If you did, you would not be giving people this advice. I was active with BTC as early as 2012, I don't go around telling anyone they should put their love savings into it now. It is mathematically impossible for it to go up by the same magnitude now as it did since the beginning.