BTC

Atmacrush

Microstrategy's average on BTC is $66k. He's going to raise the average higher. If there's a flash crash he's going to send the entire crypto industry downward.

ProceduralTaco

You can buy btc with leverage, which is effectively the same thing and maybe less expensive. There is also the chance that MSTR will blow up if the price of btc stays down and they have to sell, pushing the price down more. Those are the reasons you might not by it, but if you think BTC will go up soon MSTR should also go up.

fishingnevercatching

If you saw 120k and thought - ya that’s a good entry and it’ll never dip again. You deserve it; and if I had to guess… it’s where a majority of BTC haters come from.

devCheckingIn

The newest FUD is that Saylor is going to jail and the government is going to confiscate Strategy and take all their BTC.

PotentialLetter3839

BTC will be used as money when hyper inflation brings average houses to $10m and salaries $1m.

-Rhymenocerous-

Swap everything for BTC and just wait for the next bull run. I swing trade at very long intervals personally so I just wait for entry and exit points. Give it some time after swapping and youll break even or make a profit.

Content-Bread6388

\+78% en 5 ans Apple +122% les rage quit vont commencer et ça va faire mal Le public “investisseur” (lol) en BTC n’est pas illimité attention au retour de bâton

Real-Technician831

Mind you Bitcoin has been declining while stocks have been climbing. Now as stocks are starting to deflate from impossibly high values vs P/E, expect BTC to get a good bit faster descent. BTC couldn’t even maintain its value on stock bull season, so how do you expect it to fare in bear?

MAX1_1e6_2

Do you have other sources for that down payment? If can you still afford the home if Bitcoin goes down further? Bitcoin is money and money is meant to be spent. If purchasing a home is meaningful and desirable to you and your family, you do it. It is impossible to predict the future of the market. Bitcoin will always come back up greater than before, but do you have enough capital to afford increased housing prices at that point? I am in a similar situation with no offers made yet due to VHCOL. I sold my entire stack at only moderate, not life changing gains, due to the bear market, because if the bear market goes down further, I wouldn't be able to purchase a home for much more time, at least until it goes back up, which may take years. BTC was primarily my entire post-tax pile of capital, so it had to be done I luckily (or unluckily) am not 100% BTC, as I still have traditional S&P500 ETFs in my retirement accounts, so what I did was I just sold an equivalent amount of my ETFs and purchased an equivalent amount of paper Bitcoin via the Bitcoin ETF.

HSuke

Blockchain-wise, it's better than Bitcoin (BTC) in every way and has more features and available opcodes (except for Replace by fee). Price-wise, it's been doing horribly. Not an investment.

tomanderson100

You guys act like there’s some kind of agreement made where BTC has to go back up after a crash. Like it’s some guarantee…

Narf234

How do you think people get rich using BTC? How can it be worthless numbers and simultaneously provide wealth to people like you?

fishingnevercatching

If your dumping 2500 into any stock at once your doing it wrong. I start with about 20-30% of my powder on a good price range. Then when it dips 10%. If you do this every time it’s even slightly below your ideal price you will still win and destroy your average cost. With this bear market and recent 30% cut I’ve been DCA’ing into it starting at 70k ish. I’ve cut my cost about 8k down to 63k by just dcaing the fall. I own about 2k of BTC myself, and will be adding to it accordingly as we hit some delicious bottoms.

Theverybestestintown

I think we will beak down much further. There isn't really any support right now and BTC needs to find that, maybe in the low 50's.

tomanderson100

You can’t compare the dollar to btc just stop that’s not even the narrative anymore remember? You guys switched your own narrative from ‘currency’ to ‘store of value’ about 5-6 years ago. It was disproven as a currency so your marketing managers for BTC changed the narrative so the public now thinks it’s a ‘store of value’😂

DimensionPrize8168

Meanwhile, I’m legit eating Ichiban ramen and buying BTC. Don’t worry, my family eats better than me.

tomanderson100

And you can check my previous posts regarding this. I only bought BTC to make money. I didn’t see it as some revolutionary technology, it’s a useless string of numbers. All the cryptos are the same, there’s nothing unique about BTC. Just stop this debate is comical at this point. People aren’t buying the bull..sht anymore

Apart_Bear_5103

Alts tell the story. Alts died last cycle which means the market has lost confidence. BTC is the only thing that may survive. And I don’t know if even BTC has enough to survive a loss of confidence in crypto.

Friendly_Fun8345

I do understand its origin. But people have witness it’s an unreliable for savings. Also, you dont need BTC anymore to transfer money around the world.

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Previous_Blueberry_5

Strategy bought over 80,000 BTC so far this year with over 800,000 on their balance sheet. They sell a measly 32 BTC and you feel bold enough to post this garbage? 🤣 The only people jumping ship are the ones who didn’t belong anyway

Shoddy_Trifle_9251

Bitcoin is quantum vulnerable garbage, along with the reality that the BTC security model is deeply flawed and likely to collapse within 10 years. It's not rocket science why people are exiting.

Real-Technician831

Not even close, BTC is only half down from top, still long way to go.

Badj83

Well that’s depressing… following your trend, we will to $500k around 2085 and $1M around 2170… 2 cycles from now, I’m not sure the upsides will be worth holding through the volatility and the crashes. I was counting on BTC to propel me retirement 20years from now, but I’m starting to wonder if that will really be knight in shiny armor I’d hoped it would be.

Real-Technician831

What I find interesting is that BTC didn’t recover at all on weekend, typically BTC recovers on weekends when stock market is closed, and clueless retailers pump it up. Not this weekend, so coming week might be quite a bloodbath.

Quick-Scientist-3187

AIPI & QBTS for me. Very doubtful it will be anything life changing. I don't really do casinos so it's the closest I get I suppose. 🤷🏻‍♂️ After that it's BTC & Roth IRA.

gorgonfr

People buy or sell. There is not a lot more to say about BTC.

bitusher

I personally hate spam but this proposal does not help. BIP110 supporters often don't seem to understand how many ways there exists to hide spam on Bitcoin unless you make Bitcoin a centralized permissioned ledger. Than they use this fact to suggest we are apathetic or we like spam which is untrue because there are effective ways to reduce spam that don't have all these consequences. I have always hated nfts, spam, inscriptions , and ordinals, just like many developers do. Even hated when luke was spamming bible verses in the blockchain (location does not matter as adding data in the coinbase does increase tx and blocksize just the same) Here are 3 solutions : The best solution as I often promote is to spend and replace Bitcoin as money. This is best done on other layers like lightning that use much less blockspace, but the more people that open and close channels the higher the fees exist for spammers which will encourage them to use altcoins instead for their spam. Yes , more l2 txs reduce onchain use which is why a large focus should be on adoption overall to increase both L2 and onchain transactions concurrently. The second best solution is education which I have been doing for many years where I inform people that nfts/inscriptions are scams and don't do what people claim they do and are a waste of time. A third solution is we invest more in bitcoin and bitcoin adoption which raises the price of Bitcoin and since fees are priced in BTC onchain fees will grow as well pricing out spammers . Those are 3 quick solutions among many more that I actively am involved in. Suggesting solutions that don't work at all or have very harmful tradeoffs is not effective. This being said I completely support your right to enforce any rules you want on your node and even fork off. Power to the node operators. Just do so with your eyes open.

dj_destroyer

I would bet the Bitcoin network can fork to a new system faster than legacy bank systems. People act like BTC is the only network to use SHA256.

wolfenstein734

No no no he’ll cash out his company stock and use that to buy the dip when he crashes the price from dumping 4% of BTC. This guy is evil

TheresNoSecondBest

>The main argument against it is yOu CaNt StOP SpAM DuH. >Of course, spammers can still use BTC to for monetary purposes You're wrong and you know it too. They will use Bitcoin to spam it as you mentioned at the beginning of your comment.

Otherwise-Relief2248

I def understand how a floor works on something like spcx. I don’t really understand what the concept of a floor is in BTC because it seems so fundamentally different than a financial instrument like a company that makes stuff or re. Gold.

FieryButPeaceful09

After carefully considering the proposal I’m signalling for it on my node. The main argument against it is yOu CaNt StOP SpAM DuH. But we have(had)filters in place for a reason dating back to the Satoshi days for a reason. I see no strong compelling reason for large OP\_Returns introduced in 2025 by Core v30 (especially as it’s a designated space for arbitrary data, which potentially brings about extended risk to the whole system if the worst kind of images are embedded within from a legal standpoint). I see no strong compelling reason to not fix the taproot exploit brought in 2022-23 which has led to the blockchain being bloated with pictures of Pepe the frog and the like being marketed by shipcoin companies. All this bloat (UTXOs \~40% or something) makes it more and more difficult to spin up a *full* node. This is not the design intent of bitcoin. Appeals to technical authority and trying to turn this into some kind of ontological discussing about what bitcoin is are wearing thin. The plebs can see and the plebs will decide as before. Bitcoin is freedom money. Digital decentralised e cash. Money for your friends, enemies and political opponents. It is not a place for cartoon garbage. Plenty of other software available for that. Of course, spammers can still use BTC to for monetary purposes to make their cartoon garbage elsewhere to beat off to if they wish, just keep that crap off the chain thanks. Rug the spammers.

basketbun

You can apply some Buffet logic here, even though he would never buy BTC. Buy when everyone is fearful and sell when everyone is Joyful. BTC currently fearful AI currently joyful

Jave3636

All the crypto money went to AI, that's why AI is so high and crypto is so down. But there's no reason yet for crypto to go back up, not until it actually gets adopted like AI is getting adopted.  Everyone wanted BTC to decouple from the sp500. Well, it has, just not the way we all hoped lol. 

EconomistNo5807

I think it sort of is, since we don't have any other metric to compare value to. I can't say what i'd value 1 BTC at, without referencing some sort of fiat currency. The problem with that is, it's inevitably tied to the one thing it was supposed to set us free from. Until people start actually valuing it as "it's own thing" independent from the value of curencies.

PopLegion

You have no idea how the math works because MSTR can only do that if it's shares are trading at a premium to BTC and they aren't they are trading at a discount. Yes a year ago you were correct. Not the case right now tho. This is why people are freaking out about MSTR, it looks like saylor doesn't have many smart moves besides wait it out and hope BTC recovers soon.

h4l

They only sell new shares when STRC is trading at $100, they don't issue any shares when STRC is trading lower. (Which is a problem for them, as while STRC is under 100 they have to issue new MSTR shares, sell BTC or issue new debt).

Otherwise-Relief2248

Yeah. That’s what I don’t get. I think people want to apply institutional rules to something that has no basis for those rules to apply. In fact it was kind of the point of BTC innate first place.

blaziken8x

AI is pretty inflated, crypto is in winter, gold has been moving sideways for a few months. Seems to me like if or when AI starts dumping, BTC and gold are at a pretty good price to rotate that money into.

otherwisemilk

BTC has had euphoria in the past cycles, why was it differnt this time?

LibertyWithLiquidity

1 BTC = 100,000,000 sats = ♾️ dollar cuck bucks

Comfortable_Cod377

I’ve already accumulated 0.1 BTC, and I even fantasize about the price hitting $1 million per coin! I am a firm holder, though due to local laws, I cannot easily deposit funds to keep buying more.

WorkerPlayful4192

This guy need to sell some BTC again.

Acceptable-Gap6638

BTC will continue dropping until around October. Then it’ll be 1054 days of a bull run.

pedrocc25

Pésimo momento para vender BTC En minimo se compra y no se vende, Igual antes de una caida fuerte puede repuntar a testear los 67mil, 70mil aprox y de ahi para abajo nuevamente. Este año es de entrar en cada minimo, osea comprar, ya vender no es fiable y menos si has acumulado estando mas caro que ahora

dj_destroyer

Why would people get mad? Of course an asset that went from a $100M market cap to $1B then $10B then $100B and now over $1T would see its growth rate slow. Sure, each step is a 10× increase but going from $100M to $1B only required an additional $900M in market value. Going from $100B to $1T required an additional $900B growth or 1000 times more capital. As assets mature, maintaining the same percentage returns becomes literally exponentially more difficult. The path to $10T will take the longest, BY FAR. Best estimate would be: 5-8yrs (optimistic), 8-15yrs (base case), 15-25yrs (conservative) and this will result in about $550k BTC. Million dollar Bitcoin will likely take 20-50 years.

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UnreliablePotato

Yeah, just stick with BTC and ~~ETH~~

Efficient_Ice_1001

It's literally been different every single time. > "BTC never falls below previous cycle high during the bear market" BTC fell to $15K during 2022 bear market falling well below 2017 ATH price > "BTC does at least 10X from previous ATH every bull cycle" BTC only ended up doing 3.5X in 2021 from the 2017 ATH > "BTC always breaks previous ATH 6-9 months after halving every cycle." BTC broke ATH in 2024 before halving

jeterloincompte420

nobody i know knows about my BTC.

Spare_Alps1916

HoudiniSwap uses centralized routes for their liquidity including the notorious scam aka Changelly. Just use DEX such as [flips.fi](http://flips.fi), it supports many chains including BTC, SOL etc.

DuckHunter4779

More charts, interesting. What else would need a chart other than BTC purchases? Maybe a cash chart?

Middle-Wrangler2729

I watched approximately 20 hours of videos about BTC and other crypto. Many of these videos even paid a small reward for watching ($1 of free crypto, etc.). I had a Coinbase account for a while, but I still don't understand how any of it works and do not feel that it is safe from scams or hackers.

TimmyXBT

BTC is king. BTC wrappers on EVM are goated because I can borrow and yield farm stables. Katana is the GOAT blockchain

el_rico_pavo_real

It’s not. MSTR will be fine and thrive when BTC corrects. It’s all a ludicrous psyop to melt the vulnerable minds of scared retail.

Additional_Hat_9313

Sou comprador de alta no BTC, tô comprado a 118 mil, tô me superando. Todos eu olhava se meus BTC estava lá. Hoje só olho eles de 15 em 15 dias. O que eu coloquei na cabeça e que o BTC não mudou os fundamentos.

Lux_Multiverse

There is roughly **$98.6 trillion** in broad money globally, and if Bitcoin (BTC) reaches $1 million per coin, its market cap would be **$21 trillion** based on its maximum supply. Just in case "**Broad Money (M2/M3)**: **$98.6 trillion** includes all physical cash plus digital bank deposits, checking/savings accounts, and money market funds. This is the standard benchmark for total global liquid money."

Otherwise-Relief2248

More than half of all BTC is underwater. How do you know when the top is? How do you know what the cycle looks like?

Gangaman666

BTC will survive and thrive as usual. XMR will thrive as we lose our privacy more and more and people realise moneros benefits. I'm not so sure about 90% of the random shit coins though, perhaps ETH will survive too as it has institutional backing. So I partially agree.

Prnce_Chrmin

>I'm expecting a large BTC sale next month. They wont do that. They will find some investors to pump them with fresh money.

AccomplishedMany9277

The macro read is solid but the Nexo/Ledn borrowing advice at the end is the part worth scrutinizing. "Borrow at under 25% LTV" sounds conservative until you model what happens in a $40k BTC scenario — which you yourself call plausible. At $40k, a position you borrowed against at 25% LTV when BTC was $60k is now sitting at \~37.5% LTV, still fine on paper, but one more leg down to $35k and you're approaching margin call territory on what was supposed to be a conservative borrow. The asymmetry is brutal: you borrow to preserve upside optionality, but the downside scenario you're preparing for is exactly the one that turns a manageable LTV into a liquidation event. If the accumulation thesis is right you don't need the borrowed liquidity. If the $40k scenario plays out you really don't want it.

parkway_parkway

If you've been in since the early 2010s tell me you got rich? Even $1 of BTC held would have got you there. Why were you buying Trump coin?;

Quick-Scientist-3187

I hear ya. 18+ yrs in Fintech (financial/insurance) here. I first came across BTC white paper I believe in 09/10. I never did a deep dive into it though. It just didn't catch my attention enough.

Je-ne-dirai-pas

BTC will hit 30k, then bounce to 140k

nafnaf0

If it makes sense they will just sell the capital asset (BTC) to pay the dividend. This is exactly what Michael Saylor said a few weeks ago in an interview with Natalie Brunell at BTC Prague: "What we have done in the past is sell the equity to pay the dividend... We don't have to sell the equity; we can sell the capital asset. The capital asset is the Bitcoin."

Arphinator

That’s a good question. First of all, I didn’t expect it to accrue such value. I’m in blockchain / crypto from a professional perspective since 2013. Had plenty of chance to be rich :) But the best use case of blockchain, namely value on chain, is soon to be covered by trusted institutions: banks. They’ll make crypto (stable) coins user friendly and actually used. Which will mean less traction, less miners, etc. Furthermore money is transferred from BTC to AI… so it’s a downward spiral.

nafnaf0

In an interview with Natalie Brunell at BTC Prague a few weeks ago, Michael Saylor said "What we have done in the past is sell the equity to pay the dividend... We don't have to sell the equity; we can sell the capital asset. The capital asset is the Bitcoin." So it seems like the plan will be to sell Bitcoin if it makes sense.

mrplanner-

A business doesn’t have to be profitable for it to be functioning. The entire premise of crypto is 100% hope on things you can’t see, but generally sentiment around adoption. Period. Space X however is something people can see, touch, watch innovate, build, improve, etc, and here’s the real thing, absolutely undeniable “this IS where the world/species is going” and be the undeniable world leader to it. Add the fact their CEO regardless of what you think of them as an individual, has single handedly revolutionised other real world things from payment methods to electronic cars and now robotics, and there is plenty for people to pin logic to “they’re not performing yet, but when they do, they’ll be unstoppable” vs some ICO whitepaper in some wierd layer 1 layer 2 thing talking about smart contracts that sound useful but still aren’t the same thing as seeing a rocket the size of an apparentment building land itself between two arms. That’s the difference. Eth’s ICO had you take a gamble they could do something called smart contracts that sound kinda useful, at a time that only a tiny % of humanity even understood or had heard of BTC. SpaceX went public with HUGE fully functioning operations and years of clear progress of their end goal.

mrplanner-

A business doesn’t have to be profitable for it to be functioning. The entire premise of crypto is 100% hope on things you can’t see, but generally sentiment around adoption. Period. Space X however is something people can see, touch, watch innovate, build, improve, etc, and here’s the real thing, absolutely undeniable “this IS where the world/species is going” and be the undeniable world leader to it. Add the fact their CEO regardless of what you think of them as an individual, has single handedly revolutionised other real world things from payment methods to electronic cars and now robotics, and there is plenty for people to pin logic to “they’re not performing yet, but when they do, they’ll be unstoppable” vs some ICO whitepaper in some wierd layer 1 layer 2 thing talking about smart contracts that sound useful but still aren’t the same thing as seeing a rocket the size of an apparentment building land itself between two arms. That’s the difference. Eth’s ICO had you take a gamble they could do something called smart contracts that sound kinda useful, at a time that only a tiny % of humanity even understood or had heard of BTC. SpaceX went public with HUGE fully functioning operations and years of clear progress of their end goal.

VendettaKarma

Only thing I would buy anymore is BTC. Everything else has no purpose . It’s been almost 6 years since pandemic hype and yeah OP, it’s just about over. I still have some Catgirl in an old wallet. Not much but it’s very nostalgic.

hindumafia

Dividend is largely not a mandatory obligation as they can suspend it indefinitely. Mstr, strk falling is also not a the problem of strategy, it is problem of holders. As long as they are making enough money elsewhere to survive and cover operational cost their hand is not forces to sell BTC at loss.

hindumafia

That will only hurt STRC holders. Not the company or sailor, or BTC.

A1JX52rentner

BTC is down 50%, MSTR is down 80%

TheCurlyHomeCook

We're not discussing whether it'll go bust, we're discussing why that would be a catalyst for BTC

Romanizer

The game is to get as many BTC as possible for everyone. If you want him to buy less, you have to buy more.

6DeliciousInches

I’m sure everyone in this thread understands that he has enough CASH right now to pay dividends for a YEAR, and THEN he would start selling BTC? So even if the price goes to zero TODAY, it would be to stick there until NEXT June for him to need to liquidate his holdings??? You guys read the articles, not the headlines, right?????

TheCurlyHomeCook

I'm interested that every single comment here is saying Strategy's collapse would be the BTC catalyst. Surely dumping 800k coins into the market would absolutely freaking tank it? Also, why is it so important that Strategy fails for BTC to succeed? I'm not trying to challenge, just trying to learn

perikobtc

Que strategy se quedase sin BTC y lo fuese comprando usa sería un muy buen catalizador

Low-Method3448

L take. The next catalyst is the clarity act. That will bring extra capital into this space. Retail alone can’t pump BTC to 10T market cap

tomzi9999

Dude still doesn't get it. The moment he decides to start selling, BTC will capitulate. How does he sell and Strategy stays in profit?

SamwiseGamgee87

No. Just make and example not making your point. We are agree it's not a good outcome that's why we got into a bear market while everything was in a bull because most people still treat Bitcoin as an investment and with low time preference. It's still used a got more inflated after the pandemic it's the Peso Argentino right now is doing better but the 4 years from 2019 to 2023 was on my perspective the worst since hyperinflation of 89, by the way is when they changed the currency last time, but that's another topic. The problem with huge volatility is most people are not going to change his 1 digit inflation currency for BTC and in talking about savings. The problem you were talking about before is you can't lost +43% of your paycheck and it's, but that's a different thing because you are paying in a more stable in short term currency. The second point is because BTC had the best returns of any assets in the last decade and right now it's going mainstream on the financial markets, no one knows what's going to be in the next decade. That's was my point, most banks recommend now allocate 2-5% but what if BTC hit 1m and it's bigger than any company or commodity? Because that already happened years before BTC was the 5 biggest asset before the AI hype even before hit the 100k If a pension do mismanagement of funds probably that person is going to lose the job. I'm sure it's happened before and it's going to happen again. I can give you a worst example of that of my born country in the 90's. My point was the innovation, and it's happening slowly

LeanCrafterUK

Ada bag holder spotted. 5 years down not just in a bear market . Ada making all time lows while BTC was all time highs

Arphinator

Only spend money you can afford to lose. I’m on ca 1 BTC and expect value to go to zero. Already halfway there anyway.

nafnaf0

In an interview with Natalie Brunell at BTC Prague a few weeks ago, Michael Saylor said "we don't have to sell the equity, we can sell the capital asset. The capital asset is the Bitcoin." So it seems like the plan will be to sell Bitcoin if it makes sense.

PuttForDough

Feel like BTC has been fighting like crazy against bearish market movements. It’s been wild to see the fight going on at 60k. There seems to be a lot going on atm with an pretty big underlying battle going on.

Demonyx12

DCA + HODL = no timing needed 80% BTC, 15% ETH, 5% (wildcard) Drops mic.

Aoi_Haru

BTC did that in 8 years, not “this cycle” at all. And it’s back at not even half of that target right now. So yeah, it underperforms and it’s a roller coaster.

hindumafia

They can suspend dividends legally, no need to sell BTC. Even if BTC doesnt recover for 10 years, but they generate positive cash flow from business, they are safe.

hindumafia

They can suspend dividends legally, no need to sell BTC. Even if BTC doesnt recover for 10 years, but they generate positive cash flow from business, they are safe.

hindumafia

They can suspend dividends legally, no need to sell BTC.

hindumafia

They can suspend dividends legally, no need to sell BTC.

Ensiferum

Fair chance btc will get rekt in the future as well. Never trust it blindly. There might well be a long term asset place for BTC, but it is more likely to be at 10k than at 1M simply because of the money that needs to be moved for the latter.

Logical-Recognition3

I think you missed a zero. Also, I just realized that the proportion of the BTC supply that I own is greater than the proportion of the US stock and bond market that sits in my retirement account.

Particular-Key-4514

BTC/USD — INVERTED HAMMER, DAILY The herd's been puking Bitcoin into the 58s all week, and now they're too scared to bid. Good — that's when you get paid. Last close printed an inverted hammer right on support: a long upper wick where the sellers swung and missed. Weakness exhausting itself. I don't chase. I make the market come to me. BUY STOP 60,941 — one tick over the pattern high. No breakout, no trade. The tape has to prove it. • Entry (Buy Stop): 60,941 • Stop: 59,855 • Target: 63,113 • Risk:Reward ≈ 2:1 Bulls make money, bears make money — pigs get slaughtered. One tight stop, a 2R payday, and the nerve to wait for the level. The rest is noise. Not advice. I don't manage your money — I just show you how it's done. https://preview.redd.it/yrgjzlxi40ah1.png?width=1835&format=png&auto=webp&s=3a36107f610f723c727b3a3207a30779acbeff2d

TargP

The issue is that the cost of mining each BTC is currently higher than the value of each BTC for many / most miners (because over time the hashing complexity has increased, making the comparison to earlier, lower prices irrelevant). That can only be sustained for so long before enough miners are forced offline, and the risk of a 51% attack increases as a consequence. A 51% consensus attack would, indeed, be the death-knell for BTC. Right now, miners are sunsidising the network, hoping for future price increases; but they cannot do so indefinitely. 

omjagvarensked

I think you just made my point for me no? A currency losing 40+% at any stage is not a good outcome. It doesn't matter if others do it too, I'm sure the currency where you're from probably isn't even used anymore. Just like in Zimbabwe, the value plummeted so they just adopted USD instead and then eventually made a new currency. If BTC swings so wildly every year it's never going to be adopted as a currency. For currencies to work properly they basically need to be as flat as possible for as long as possible. People need to trust that the currency in their pocket isn't going to end up halved in value in a few weeks/months. But let's not kid ourselves here, people like BTC as a speculative investment, not as a currency. And to your second point, why would pension funds and the like ever fully commit to such a volatile asset? Their designed at the bare minimum to not lose their investments, and ideally gain value over many many decades. They simply can't take that risk. Imagine being a retiree who's pension fund decided they would take a large stake in BTC this year. They'd have lost a considerable amount of their retirement, they may not have 3-5 years for BTC to come back to $100k or more, they're retired and at the end of their life.

Martymations

I shed a tear every time I think about that lost wallet of 0.06 BTC from 2015.

mcshorts81

I'm not sure where you are located but in the UK Nexo loans upto 50% against BTC. We are limited hereto that and xapo

Nice_Inflation3576

Moar BTC !