BTC

Quirky-Reveal-1669

Fixed amount in BTC, or a USD-amount equivalent at the current rate?

MarioWilson122

You never really know for certain. Sometimes everyone thinks the news is priced in, and BTC ends up pumping anyway. Of course, with the current administration, those surprise pumps haven't seemed to happen as often. I'd take anyone claiming to know exactly how the market will react with a grain of salt.

JuxtaposeLife

>Data can demonstrate that few old UTXOs were spent. But it does not demonstrate their owners consciously decided to hold supply during market downturns. Actions are more important than intent. What matters, is what correlations exist between modeled activity, and actual price action. Most who dive into on-chain analytics start with the questions you're raising, and then look for correlations that come true when followed forward. The hard part is not cherry picking your backtesting, and being objective in the patterns you see until it's proven in real time and forward. The same way hedge funds and their quants connect Level 2 or 3 data for price movement in markets (then wall of that data to the general public, to protect a signal that helps them). You don't have to know every retail trader is capitulating on a market dump, to know that if you cause one, most of them will. In much the same way, I don't have to know that 1 in 100 BTC moved yesterday was consolidation and not a sale, to know that when volume picks up for a given cohort... it signals something that happens time and time again.

Jogi1811

What did you expect in this part of the BTC cycle?

Substantial_Shop_171

Never mind the BTC aspect, we are so  screwed as a country with these "adults" coming out of our education system. And just remember, their vote counts as much as yours!

DirtOk3742

I said post 2019, working from memory. 2021-mid 2022, now that I punch it up. From 02/28/2021 to 6/30/2022 US CPI rose from 1.7% (1.3% core) to 9% (5.9% core). Over the same period BTC lost 59.5% in value. This is the only serious move in inflation that has happened in the time BTC has been a liquid financial instrument. From this I conclude that BTC does not appear to be a reliable inflation hedge. US equities, measured by the S&P500, returned +1.4% over the same period. I'm a career investment professional here, trying to make sense of crypto instruments. No real opinion other than that I check a lot of what I see and read against facts and come up empty.

esiob12

I like that it is paid in BTC and not dollars

Avanchnzel

HODLing is deferred consumption to reach a goal, or the ultimate exit strategy where a hodler waits until it gets universally accepted as a direct medium of exchange. But just like with fiat, if you're HODLing *forever*, then it's the same as not having any coins to begin with yeah. If you meant those, then yeah you're right and their holdings are indistinguishable from lost coins. But HODLing does not imply to hodl forever, the latter is a subset of the former. Having said that though, I suppose one could borrow against one's BTC and live off of that, never paying off the outstanding debt as long as the collateral value rises. But in this case, the collateral BTC is either the same as lost coins (if the debt actually never catches up with the appreciation), or the debt will eventually catch up, forcing liquidation of collateral, thus making use of the coins. In the former case it's the same a lost coins (i.e. they will never move), in the latter it's HODLed coins that will eventually be used.

KipishGrid

I agree that Bitcoin’s biggest opportunity may still be ahead. The more people understand scarcity, self-custody and financial independence, the more relevant BTC could become. Adoption takes time, but the long-term potential is hard to ignore. The key is having the conviction and patience to see it through. 🚀

The_Meme_Economy

Every .001 BTC adds up eventually

HemiSync

A good mutual fund can see 10-12% annualized over the past 10 years. Properly & slowly moved to a Roth after you retire can minimize the tax burden. I use stocks/bonds/HYSA & BTC to stay diversified and basically HODL all of them.

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Snackyums

You think people investing in AI stocks get out and decide to put it in BTC instead?

Avanchnzel

I was mostly joking, but yeah lost coins necessarily decrease supply, which theoretically increases the value of the remaining coins. There's a lot more details though that make this not as straightforward. For one it's pretty much impossible to identify which wallets are truly lost or just have very patient owners. As more coins look permanently lost, the market adjusts its perceived available supply upward. But if a massive dormant wallet suddenly moves coins, it can trigger temporary market panic and price drops. You saying your BTC shall be inaccessible once your mind is gone is a guarantee though that those coins will be lost. And thus it definitely increases the scarcity. So no matter how small that increase is, every little bit helps. 😁

RevolutionaryCod2209

BTC is the only thing in crypto eith serious potential

RevolutionaryCod2209

BTC will go to the lower fifties or high forties before we can call a bottom

LordVixen

I will donate my BTC to Jensen Huang cuz he’ll need it after the wife tales him to the cleaners.

ThePugz

If they did the smart thing & started trading all BTC solely as Satoshis it would be around $0.00075 per Sat right now & then DEFINITELY could go parabolic again.

vattenj

2000 BTC is nothing comparing with his worth today, almost like 200k BTC, so what happened during those binance exchange years is the real question

growin60sec

For a few hundred bucks on a major pair, I've found the headline quote matters less than the timing — exactly what you ran into. Floating is basically the market price at confirmation, so if BTC moves while you're waiting on confirmations, that 'better' quote evaporates. Fixed is locked when you create the swap, but only if you send within the time window it gives you — send late and it can expire or get recalculated, so that's the catch. In practice I use fixed when the network is busy or price is moving, floating when it's calm and I'm sending fast, and I compare what actually lands after fees rather than the rate on screen.

Lost_Anywhere_69

My BTC dies with me

United_Weight3580

BTC is super correlated to tech stocks. If anything it'll tank if a real nasdaq crash happens

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scott_in_ga

| Sector / Asset | 1 Month | 6 Months | 1 Year | |---|---:|---:|---:| | Energy | -5.55% | +10.63% | +36.42% | | Health Care | +9.90% | +28.79% | +25.48% | | Materials | +5.44% | +0.70% | +19.95% | | Consumer Staples | +7.98% | +7.01% | +17.86% | | Information Technology | -16.71% | -6.14% | +11.49% | | Financials | +5.40% | +11.55% | +7.91% | | **S&P 500 Overall** | **-4.99%** | **-0.32%** | **+7.90%** | | Real Estate | +7.71% | -0.92% | +6.69% | | Industrials | -3.40% | -6.08% | +5.49% | | Consumer Discretionary | +5.25% | -2.18% | -1.59% | | Utilities | +5.02% | -3.56% | -3.79% | | Communication Services | -6.50% | -10.39% | -7.49% | | **Bitcoin (BTC)** | **-7.26%** | **-5.54%** | **-25.23%** | *As of November 6, 2026. Price returns excluding dividends. Sector returns use Select Sector SPDR ETFs; S&P 500 uses SPY. Bitcoin is a separate asset, not an S&P 500 sector. Sources: GetMarketAlerts, Yahoo Finance, Stock Charted.*

devCheckingIn

BTC might never go above $75k again. 😳

JimmyJamez88

Not buying enough BTC in 2013

Roadkill_Ramen

BTC 35k! 😁💪

coconut1890

Let me rephrase what I said so you maybe understand me: if you DCA'd into BTC from 5 years ago until this point, you legit will have been worse off than doing the same in gold or an all-world ETF (and like someone else said, literally in US treasury bills too). No shit buying from the bottom gives you the best gains, as if most people can time the bottom perfectly. This means, from an investor who just wants to DCA monthly, the "BTC is a good asset to DCA" thesis is hanging by a thread. But as I said before, I'm not changing my strategy just yet.

jasonslpt

Bias stays down while BTC trades under 74,931, where our Hunter Killer liquidation heatmap shows about $166M in shorts. Right underneath, roughly $191M in longs sits near 74,706, and the bigger long pool is about $468M near 72,540. A reclaim and hold above 74,931 proves this lean wrong, with the next large short pool around 76,616 holding about $304M. Not advice.

0a0d0s0

Sounds like a solid way to think about it. I got curious and ran your plan through my simulator: 2 BTC, spending from January 2030 and lasting 30 years, rising with inflation. Just the bitcoin half, not your other investments: Conservative path: about $900 a month (bitcoin doesn't reach 250k by 2030 on this one) Baseline: about $2,500 a month Saylor's path: about $7,000 a month Those are in 2030 dollars. Here's the Baseline version if you want to play around with it, switch paths or change the amounts: [https://bitcoinlifespan.com/?btcUnits=2&income=2500&scenario=baseline&simPeriod=396&hodlUntil=2030-01-01](https://bitcoinlifespan.com/?btcUnits=2&income=2500&scenario=baseline&simPeriod=396&hodlUntil=2030-01-01) Good luck with it!

Dalhia_Moon

No matter what BTC does, we just keep buying😂

BottleOk4004

I have completely migrated my holdings to wallets that don’t use seed phrases. Seed phrases are completely insecure. I don’t care what anyone says. I have assets split across Tangem and MPC wallets such as Vultisig and Zengo.  I am comfortable keeping multiple BTC on any one of these platforms.  And this is a very unpopular opinion but hear me out. At this point the iPhone is the most secure device to generate a seed phrase.  iPhone entropy has been audited for years. Cold card has proved that hardware wallets are vulnerable. Ledger and Trezor have suffered supply chain hacks. I would not personally do this myself, but if I had to use a seed phrase I would personally just use Coinbase wallet on my phone. You can’t argue against this. Cold card was supposed to be the best but it is really just like 2 dudes in their garage. Apple iOS is trusted by the entire world and audited very heavily. I would bet my wealth to an apple device running a reputable software wallet such as Coinbase or exodus or blue wallet if you’re only in BTC, over any hardware wallet that generates seed phrases at this point.  Now I don’t have much advice on the 5 dollar wrench attack. I’ve been struggling with that one for years. 

Jayrovers86

Pathetic, I’ve gone from zero to 6figs and virtually back again since I got into crypto in 2021 3 times instead of buying BTC

CoinGate_Gift_Cards

Look at market expectations, funding rates, open interest, and options pricing because BTC usually reacts to the surprise, not the news itself.

Old-Cardiologist-545

Well it’s your bank account. Your money isn’t worth what it was because of inflation. But with BTC… 1BTC always equals 1BTC. You can’t change that.

devCheckingIn

If you're using a 5-year timeline then even CDs and T-bills outperformed BTC. 🤣

b1mm3rl1f3

How come BTC tanked on Jensen news? 😂

anon1999666

You’ll probably be downvoted but you’re right. I’ve been soley investing in tech since the 23 lows. I purchased most of my ETH/BTC 2019-21 with a few smaller investments in 22. It’s hard for me to throw a single dollar to BTC/ETH now despite working a well paying tech job. 5 years of compound growth is a lot to miss out on and It’s getting harder to justify even putting a low percentage of my salary towards Bitcoin/ETH now. I’ll be very interested in watching the next run. If it doesn’t outperform the S&P through 2030 then I’ll likely dump everything at that point.

coconut1890

I hate to say it. But when my BTC gets outperformed by my stock portfolio going back 5 years, I really am starting to doubt if it's still worth it to hold any BTC. I won't make a giant change in my strategy because BTC is around the cycle lows, but I will have to see if holding this much is worth the risk. I might just have to allocate a much smaller percentage of my wealth to BTC.

coconut1890

BTC now gets outperformed in most time-frames compared to gold going back 5 years. Almost all BTC (and ETH) gains are from 5 years and longer ago. Unless BTC makes a nice move up this or next year, I might have to reflect if BTC is still a worthwhile hold, or if I should just liquidate everything into stocks and bonds. For now, crypto legit is looking like a dead investment with all the risk attached.

Thatworkedoutgreat

You are trying to convert the True Bitcoin Believer© my friend. The ones that missed out on the 100000x gains that the first few got that forgot to get rid of the change they got from the online pizza they bought in 2010... They are hoping for the same thing as all the other religious believers.. salvation in one form or the other. You won't persuade them with facts or complicated insights in the financial world when 21 million BTC's is the solution to everything financial. And why should they? Because Bitcoin is gonna solve all their problems!

devCheckingIn

I see stock futures completely recovered and are in the green now. But not BTC. It's obvious we're still in a bear market and a new cycle low later this year / early next year can't be taken off the table. If CPI is good tomorrow and we get a small pump and dump, then the trend is definitely lower for longer.

Flexerrr

What cycle coins? Look into BTC’s 5 year graph. All ETFs outperform it

gordonfr_

Mass adaption is the one story I am not buying in relation to BTC. This has not happened and stable coins seem to be much more suited for most applications.

Key_Independent_818

The total crypto market capitalisation shows how much money is in crypto USD. Just yesterday it was 2.55 trillion. Right now its showing 6.18T up 149%. BTC dominance chart shows how much BTC there is by percentage of the entire crypto market. Yesterday it was around around 60%. Right now its showing 24%. What that can usually tells us when BTC dominance is low that more money is flowing out of BTC and more into alt coins. However the actually price hasnt reflected any of this. Don't really know why its showing this drastic difference

spirax919

We are so ridiculously early man Normies dont even realize BTC will soon be the currency of the world. Everyone will be spending using BTC only. Cash will die. FIAT will die. Michael Saylor quite simply IS The KING of the Universe

Key_Independent_818

I mean this cant be legit right? Total crypto up %149%, Total3 up 522%, BTC Dominance -60%, SOL Dominance -59.95%???

Roadkill_Ramen

BTC 35k!

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Post is by: Majestic_Anxiety_698 and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/kaspa/comments/1xrl5yy/been_digging_into_kaspa_for_weeks_heres_my_honest/ Not a shill post and not financial advice. I got curious about Kaspa during this bear market, went down the rabbit hole, and figured I’d share what I found. **Where it stands right now** Price is roughly $0.03, market cap roughly $800M to $890M depending on the tracker, so it’s top 80 territory ATH was around $0.21 back in 2024, so we’re sitting \~85% below it Circulating supply is \~27.8B out of a hard cap of \~28.7B, so about 97% is already out. Not much supply overhang left Broader market isn’t helping either. BTC is hovering around $62k and the Fear & Greed index is in “Fear” (42) Not exactly a victory lap. But this is why I find it interesting. **The tech (the actual reason I’m here)** Most chains are a single line of blocks, and if two miners find a block at the same time, one gets orphaned and the work is wasted. Kaspa uses a **blockDAG** running the **GHOSTDAG**protocol instead. Parallel blocks are *kept*, not thrown away, and ordered into a consistent history afterward. That lets it run at high block rates while staying **proof-of-work**. Milestones so far: **Crescendo (May 2025):** block rate went from 1 to **10 blocks per second (BPS)**. Rewards per block were cut by the same factor, so emission stays on the same curve. You get 10x the blocks but not 10x the issuance. Underrated detail. **Toccata (mid-2026):** this is the big one. It brought **covenants**, native assets at L1, **ZK verification opcodes**, and the **SilverScript** language for writing programmable logic. In plain English: Kaspa isn’t just “fast money” anymore, it’s becoming a programmable PoW base layer without needing a separate L2 to do it. **Next on the roadmap:** **DAGKnight**(adaptive consensus that doesn’t rely on hardcoded network delay assumptions), higher BPS (25 → 40 → eventually 100), and **vProgs** (verifiable programs, where execution happens off-chain and proofs settle on L1). Mining side: it’s a **kHeavyHash** ASIC network. As of April, hashrate was around **405 to 425 PH/s**, which is roughly a tenth of Bitcoin’s. That’s serious for a coin this size. Also a **fair launch** (no premine, no VC allocation), which is rare these days. **The part where I stay honest** **Execution risk is real.** 100 BPS is untested at scale. Hard forks are where things break. **Mining centralization.** As of April, the top 4 pools (Humpool, ViaBTC, f2pool, k1pool) held roughly 78% of hashrate combined. That’s a decentralization concern worth watching. **Adoption lags the tech.** Great architecture means nothing without devs, apps, and liquidity building on it. Toccata gives them the tools, but I’m waiting to see if they actually show up. **High beta.** When the market dips, KAS usually dips harder. It’s a mid-cap, so flows move it. **Why I’m cautiously bullish** You rarely get a project where the tech is shipping on schedule *and* the price is \~85% off the top. Kaspa has delivered on Crescendo and Toccata, and the roadmap has real research behind it, not just marketing. If devs start building on native L1 assets and ZK-verified apps, the narrative could change fast. That’s an “if”, but it’s a more credible “if” than most. I’m not calling a moon. I’m saying it’s one of the few projects where I’d bet on the engineering over the hype. **TL;DR:** PoW blockDAG, 10 BPS live, programmability just landed, price is far from ATH, supply is nearly fully issued. Real upside if adoption follows, real risk if it doesn’t. DYOR and never put in what you can’t afford to lose. What am I missing? Especially curious what the miners here think about pool concentration. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

ZethTheWindwrecker

BTC dips? I buy BTC pumps? I buy BTC not moving? I buy.

WorkerPlayful4192

For you it is possible BTC market cap to hit 10 trillion sometime in next decade?

WorkerPlayful4192

What do you reccomend to late adopter? - is it really worth it on this stage with almost 96% of BTC mined and 70-80k per coin, to invest in?

LayWhere

Everythings dropping and BTC correlates. Besides, crypto had a lot of hype taken by AI. You can't expect it to pump as hard as other cycles.

Wise-Statistician172

It doesn’t go away or actually “run out” in that sense. People will still be able to purchase BTC — but at higher prices they’ll pay more in fiat for fewer and fewer satoshis (the subunit of BTC: 1BTC = 100,000,000 satoshis ‘sats’). Michael Saylor and Jack Mallers talk often about “dollar / sat parity”; where one satoshi equals one dollar. That is $100,000,000 per BTC. At that point, you’d absolutely need to use another currency to subdivide the satoshis — something that can act as satoshi cents. Welp, we will have digital dollars, or some other digital fiat that will be the daily use small denomination, whereas BTC will be literally like gold. You don’t go to Safeway and pay in gold ingots or even coins. Same with BTC. The Saylor / Mallers timeline places that at about 20-30 years.

steelchairframe

Youre smoking the pipe mate. It's a high risk, high beta tech stock at this point. You're thinking of it from a person with $10,000 that doesn't care if they lose it. You're not thinking of a fund with 10m that would rather take a 5-6% bond yield risk free than a 30% CAGR stock that could sheer in half. No one is rotating to BTC to be defensive. That's a pipe dream.

Romanizer

Yes, you would need to have a fairly large miner to cooperate with you and to not sound an alarm when he gets privately sent a transaction from a legacy address. Sharing a 50 BTC wallet wouldn't be very convincing though, as such an action could crash the price and potentially render their hardware worthless. So it can only be a miner that's not motivated by profit.

Wildwildworld123

Yes, its an excellent currency for drugs, banned goods, illegal activities, and hiding funds. Im not knocking it either. Its the perfect crytpo currency for those things. Unfortunately, Due to those things and its lack of Transparency its going to have trouble being a whole world type of currency like Stablecoins or even BTC. I use BTC for currency even more than Monero right now.

CryptonianNomad

Keep your BTC and keys off line. Problem solved

Forgive_Able

You don't know anything about crypto. Those numbers were much more plausible than 1 million. Do you understand the required market cap BTC would need for it to go to a million?

Astronaut6735

Everyone forgets risk management. Wiping your hardware wallet is a mitigation strategy. Storing it in a safe is a mitigation strategy. You have to consider the likelihood of theft and the consequence if it is stolen (i.e. how much Bitcoin you stand to lose) when choosing a mitigation strategy. I'm not wiping a hardware wallet between uses or installing a $10k safe to store it in if all I have is 0.01 BTC and I live in a gated community. It's probably just going to sit in my desk drawer.

jezek21

I don't think "intrinsic value" means what you think it means. BTC has zero intrinsic value. Its only value is what the belief system supports on any given day.

sealpoint33

I'll certainly sell some in the next few years to pay off my mortgage but the majority I'll keep as an alternative to the pension as the govt cant be trusted to not mess up superannuation and the pension doesn't keep up with inflation. BTC will always be my safety net.

moldyjellybean

BTC will do what you least expect it unless you need the money asap best to not look for a few years

heinzmoleman

That's the only way to look at BTC. You'd drive yourself crazy staring at the daily price action

zombie_in_life

Zelle has no insurance banks do. Bank service are horrible, support is horrid too. Banks crash and only fdic insurance will cover you if you hold more then the covered amount your cooked. Banks can deny you service at any time, freeze your assets, lock you away from important financial instruments like zelle itself and bank cards, not to mention they store all your data and you have zero privacy... BTC has none of these issues and has countless pros over them, lower fees, faster transactions, more privacy, no asset freezing, ect so many to mention its actually insane. Do your own research

sambstone13

I always think the same but I'm wrong. "Stocks are down, maybe people will go to BTC " "Damn, everyone is buying stocks, maybe BTC will go down" Everytime I'm wrong. They always move on the same direction. Knda boring actually, i would like to ride the wave that is going up every time. But it's the same.

Fit-Produce420

False, you get 0.15 BTC per 1.0 lost BTC. And they use that day's spot price which was like $437.

scabbypeehole

I'm really starting to think that BTC is the dumbest scam ever. Created by a mysterious unknown person or persons that have a huge portion of it. You can't move it around because it costs energy and money. It's not really safe anywhere but a non-liquid locked storage device. The remaining bulk of the coin is controlled by billionaires. Spending it costs a transfer fee. It follows regular market trends. And, and! It costs money to exist. Honestly, what's the point?

Used-Height-2670

I can’t see why that would cause a drop like this in BTC and across the entire crypto market

_Stylite

No but people begin trading spot BTC to get ahead of the futures open on Sunday night

Silver_Eyes_Luna

Guess we'll see about that... this party hates BTC and wealth.

No-Silver8873

This is only the beginning. Crypto is dead after these hackings. Doesnt matt if BTC never gets hacked. All cold wallets and exchanges are dabgerous.

likwitsnake

Jensen's dick taking BTC down amazing

Then-Feedback7751

If btc reclaims 75.5 convincingly by weekly close today, crisis averted. If not, it's going to get ugly quick. The fact that Jensen sticking his D in a CCP spy led BTC to crack the 75.5k support on decent volume is ugh, not great...look like it's been looking for a reason to sell off and it's finally gotten it, but now we're not just contending with that news that just led to the move BTC has wanted to make. It's now dealing with a volume vacuum between here and 67k that it must claw it's way out of before close today.

_Stylite

BTC starts being traded by smart money again on Sunday night. We are just seeing the downtrend continue and I bet it will continue through tomorrow and then next Friday

Tik__Tik

BTC is basically worthless until it is converted into USD

MinimalGravitas

You have just confused 'Ethereum' - the network, with 'ETH' (or 'ether') - which is the asset. Ethereum is still 'the world computer', it is being used by the biggest financial institutions in the world to tokenize assets ('RWAs') onto. Users include Blackrock - the largest asset manager; JP Morgan - the largest bank by market capitalization; UBS - the biggest wealth manager; Fidelity - the 3rd biggest asset manager, etc etc. As well as RWAs the network also carries more value in stablecoins than every other chain combined, and more value in DeFi than every other chain combined. Rollups have been built on-top of Ethereum by Sony, LG, Robinhood, Deutsche Bank, and almost every major exchange except Binance. Public goods projects include digital IDs in places like Buenos Aires and Bhutan; fundraising by traditional institutions like Unicef and crypto-native projects like Gitcoin. We could go on, but you get the idea... Ethereum the network is the world computer. ---------- 'ETH' though isn't a computer, it's an asset that can be used to buy computation on Ethereum. Lots of the recent upgrades to Ethereum have been designed to increase the network's capacity, through scaling the L1 and by reducing costs for L2s. This has meant that the supply of blockspace increased faster than the demand, meaning it got cheaper. As ETH is used to buy blockspace, this reduced demand for ETH the asset. Demand for blockspace has increased over this time however, and continues to do so. More gas (the measure of 'computation') is being used per second now than at any time before, a lot more than even at the peak of the NFT craze. But users aren't noticing because blockspace supply has increased so much too. At some point in the future the increasing demand will start pushing up against the increased limits again, but the longer that can be put off the better, as although it keeps the demand for ETH down, it also allows much more use/adoption... which is surely the point of a blockchain! As far as the 'store of value', in order to use the network you have to buy gas, and you can only buy gas with ETH. Demand for gas will increase and so demand for ETH will increase. This is the reason it's a better store value than BTC. Demand doesn't only come from the hope that there will always be a 'greater fool' to buy the coin and speculate on further increases... entities actually use it and so organic demand is up-only. Electric Capital wrote a decent report looking specifically at stablecoin adoption growth, but the principle is similar for other types of tokenization as well. https://electriccapital.substack.com/p/beyond-stablecoins-the-case-for-ethereum

KupujeWeksleOdMeneli

What if I steal your private key and crate a transaction sending 0 to a burn address and pay all your BTC to the miner. Then I privately send this transaction to a miner. You don't know the transaction exists until it's already in a block. We share the profit with the miner.

Rickard403

Lighter. That's probably it honestly. If the coins has been around a for a cycle, it is a big gamble on how well it will do. I get the BTC only or BTC and ETH only crowd, but i don't expect either of those to even 4x. A 3.5x return (and yes that's great) is realistic for those. I do however want to stick about 25% in a 5-10+x coin. I think Lighter can do that.

IzmierdaNoGracias

The early turnaround profits are the ones that matter most in all BTC's history

DietOk3400

Will it be higher in the next 5 years? If yes i buy. Fed been printing for a whole, only a matter of time till its reflected in BTC price.

stay_safe_and_calm

Which transaction do you mean? Both transactions are standard bitcoin transactions which have their own TXs, signatures and public addresses. The transaction which is broadcasted first looks like a verfication of a simple message where the text is the TX of your BTC transaction which you have prepared before. Since this first transaction has a valid signature to the public address and the text it can be checked by nodes and miners such as a normal BTC transaction today. For the second transaction the process will be a bit more complicated. This will look like be a normal transaction today the BTC a a valid signature which matches with all transaction details. This check can be done by every normal node just as today. But miners have to check if they accept this transaction from the mempool for their next block. To accept it they have to check all - or at least 100 - proceeding blocks if they find a transaction which contains a text message which contains the TX of the second (the final) transaction. OK, this search will need additional computing power but it should be no problem for big miners to check all their transaction before including them in their block. This check is only applied if the real BTC transaction data. That means we will have 2 types of transaction. The first type of transactions do not contain any BTC transaction data because the simply contain the TX or a simple SHA256 hash of the final BTC transaction which will be broadcasted later. The second tyoe of transaction contains the real transaction data and look exactly as our BTC transactions today. But the miners will only accept this type of transaction if they find transaction of type 1 which contains the hash or the TX of the second type.

cryptokeyhole

Hasn't worked that way so far. IBIT's holders have been under water on only about 28% of its trading days, but those days account for about 54% of all the BTC that has ever left the fund. Twelve of its 20 biggest outflow days came below cost.

cryptokeyhole

The timing fits that. Going by IBIT's daily files, 18 of its 20 biggest inflow days since launch came after a week in which BTC had already risen, about 10% on average, and all 20 of its biggest outflow days came after a down week, about 6% on average. Whether those buyers were writing calls against the shares or just chasing the move, the files can't say.

VendettaKarma

Crypto outside of ETH, BTC and SOL is fucking cooked. AI will eat it alive and drain the funds before long. Nothing to do with the “Trump crime family.” When shit continues to go south after 2028 and if AOC is on the ticket are you going to blame it on hookers, bartenders and blow? Tired of this Trump shit in every post. He’s cooked and might not even make 2028 as president.

edwardzona

I'll be ok if BTC matches inflation.

LazyLifeguard

100x leverage long BTC. I had to wait for this confirmation here. Thank you!

OdonsOwn1966

Well, my DCA is a set it and forget it thing, so nothing much. I guess I will move the sats from the last month over to cold wallet. It's not like I need BTC to go up or anything, but if it was going to be down for a while, it'd be nice if stocks would undo the anal intrusion of the other day, still hurts to sit down.

Wh-h-hoap

>Major names claiming BTC is worthless and will be cracked quantumly are doing so to try to suppress price Yeah, I don't know. I'm sure all kinds of price manipulation exists, but I doubt this is one of them. Quantum - and increasing cyber attack capabilities in general - is a huge risk to all encrypted systems, not just Bitcoin. There are many who sincerely believe quantum is a risk especially to Bitcoin, and I assume this is due to Bitcoin's decentralized nature and thereby the complications in upgrading the network, including the question of legacy coins. It might also be due to a lack of knowledge, but I doubt intentional price manipulation is high on the list.

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Top-Care-8946

OK I agree with you but partly I would like to point to the fact that wealth is not only number on screen (BTC balance). If BTC loses it's value even temporarily then the wealth will be flipped over to the status of loss. It's all about timing when sell or when buy BTC. If realization has made at good point (you earned profit) then wealth is grown but if you "oversleep" the right moment then you have loss and nothing more. But even if BTC value will be raised then selling them for fiats might turn also into gross loss because inflation eats value of fiats in time which means nothing changes, only more zeros will be added to the price tags of the goods. So at the end BTC should be used as an alternative because fiat based monetary system might collapse in near future.

Top-Care-8946

BTC must be accepted as legal and equal payment option everywhere starting from buying goods from grocery store to pay taxes to state tax board. Currently I take BTC as future investment but I am not sure if and when it will be widely accepted in global means.

Nucleo_NKL

From the mining side, extreme fear is when you find out who was actually profitable. I run ASICs with a group of friends, and every time BTC dips like this the first question isn't "buy or sell", it's "what does each coin cost me to produce". Fear and Greed tells you the mood, not what to do. In my experience the people who get hurt are the ones whose plan only works above a certain price.

sabrina-m-779

BTC will spend 24 hours pretending the election was the only thing it cared about, then get moved by a whale sneezing.

Wise_Lion_9703

Holding BTC, NEAR and \~20% of portfolio actively traded by ai agents

yldf

Isn’t BTC flat for months now (75k+-15k)?

LamebyDefault

In this instance yes they would be better off as they would have access to their BTC “money”.

BinaryHippie

Maybe in hindsight but imagine going in such a huge dept for buying BTC.. His move was safer in terms of debt exposure and certainly not stupid. Also, an apartment worth $900,000 does not automatically let its owner borrow $900,000, especially if he already borrowed to buy it. The lender’s valuation, lending limits and borrower’s income all matter.

tnat0r

BTC itself not.

SilvrCrypt

900,000 / 400 = 2,250 BTC. Today @ $75k = $168,750,000.00