BTC

nantesdeals

BTC will have a safe-haven status like gold; there will be stablecoins backed by it in the future, or you can use collateral to back it. If you want to sell before then, feel free.

Low-Paramedic-6057

Nobody cant predict BTC. Trust me, every explanation trying to predict is nonsense.

oscillationovertrust

Not sure why gold keeps rising and BTC isn’t benefitting from these global news downturns. The talking heads really oversold the idea in the past year that BTC was “like” gold in that it could be a store of value in these panic cycles - but it is not, obviously. It’s not even benefitting from these manufactured liquidity increases. What gives?

FOMOmeterCrypto

This doesn’t sound like FUD. It sounds like realizing BTC went from an outsider bet to a grown up macro asset. Less magic, fewer illusions.

Western-Source710

Exactly. Cycle is over. These people holding onto the cycle theory completely ignore any and everything related to actual world events and/or market sentiment shifts. There is more money being DCA into BTC than ever before in history. Simply fcking hold.

DryMyBottom

nothing has changed, money are still broken and BTC still is the best fix out there

Sea_Promise8974

This isn't necessarily bearish though, just means bitcoin needs to prove itself again. Every bull run has lulls where other sectors get hot - remember when everyone was chasing dog coins and NFTs? The real test is whether BTC can recapture narrative when those other plays cool off

Coronator

I actually agree with everything you’ve said. I made my money in BTC, but the criminalization of privacy is the biggest thing for me. I truly believe this is why you are seeing the metals finally explode vs crypto - it’s a true private asset. It can be exchanged between individuals with no ledger. The ledger itself is the undoing of BTC. Gold/silver do everything that BTC can do( except the portability), and more. I’m no longer a believer.

Emergency_Market_238

I look at bitcoin since 2010. Agreed mostly. My early experiments showed me the problems with concept restrictions and usability, and I was skeptical (excessively, as is now clear). Now we have a lot of hot wallets. It undermines the concept, but extremely simplify user experience. After many years of scam, today we have safe services (more or less, anyway). But this could have been predicted from the very beginning. AML, transactions explorer, government control and ETF really ruins the concept. Maybe this is the next stage of development. Who knows? BTC (and other cryptos) have huge unsolved problem - the difficulty of buying them. Even with modern cryptocurrency exchanges. Probably, with government control, people will have simple and fast access to the crypto, what send crypto market to the Moon. But, of course, this is different from primordial philosophy. But, in my opinion, the biggest risks were hidden in the core of bitcoin from the draft - is a judge risk (hashrate 51% attack), security budget and limited number of possible bitcoins. Yes, and new risk with quantum computing, but this risk is covering all information technology sector. Nevertheless, as a merchant who also accepts crypto, I can say that the rate of crypto payments is growing year on year. And number of BTC payments also is growing. But AML is weird. Money just disappears when "homemade" AML checker find something wrong.

AccomplishedPhase883

I got a little BTC but I think it’s slowly turning into a Treasury Bill. I want a few more shots at 10x or more before I “store” my value.

SpartanMoonMan

It’s all Trump’s fault 😭😭😭😭 Meanwhile stocks have been at ATH along with gold and silver. It’s like Trump is forcing long time BTC holders to sell. Weird

KiwiJah

Current predictions are for some $30 trillion in tokenized real world assets to move on chain in the next 5 or so years. The blockchain will literally change finance on earth as we know it today? The total crypto market will 100x from this point in the next 10 years, the stables market alone could 100x, let alone the tsunami of managed funds coming on chain. BTC will always demand a chunky percentage of the total crypto market cap. I expect dominance to be a little lighter in a decade, but totally anticipate it still being circa 40%. We haven't even scratched the surface of what Bitcoin and the blockchain will achieve. We're only at day 2 in the fable of crypto! A $1 million BTC price is the base case?

GrimyMexican

Despite all of the comments on this post discarding the feelings and opinions of the OP, I concur. I am too a 2015 Bitcoiner and smell something weird this past year or two. Five years ago, in 2020 we were at 69K, we are now at 88K. Something's going on. And before you say stupid influencer/newbie crap like 1 BTC = 1 BTC, price doesn't matter... don't, it DOES matter, price is a very important indicator although not the only one. I still mostly believe that it'll be fine and Bitcoin will continue on ita journey, but, I have to acknowledge the possibility that *we might be fucked*, the same way gold was when the ETF's and institutions came. I hope not, though.

SpartanMoonMan

Every single time there a price drop, people will claim they’ve been calling it for months. The very same people will say they called it BTC pumps the other direction

therestruth

BTC is still king in the space I think and if it is shifted into institutional hands then that's even more reason the numbers will continue to go up as they shake out the folks like yourself who can't afford to hold out as long as them.

AwkwardObjective5360

Now is the time to buy BTC and if so inclined sell gold, you could just buy and hold both, but now is a better time to buy BTC than any in the last 1.5 years

UpstairsCheetah235

I buy every day. That said I’m still hoping for a nice 3 year crypto winter that will force Strategy to sell or significantly dilute their shareholders. I’ll be scoping up BTC for cheaper while we get rid of a parasite on the ecosystem. 

RepulsiveCommand9040

Are you sure? It already dropped 30% in a year, it might not be as volatile as before, BTC.

Apprehensive-Book787

In Swiss francs, BTC is now equivalent to what it was when it was worth 70K USD back in Oct 24…

RepulsiveCommand9040

Are you sure? It already dropped 30% in a year, it might not be as volatile as before, BTC.

Fear_Blind83

Rumors that China sold $20Bn of BTC https://thedefiant.io/news/markets/china-sells-194k-bitcoin-worth-nearly-20-billion-contradicting-treasury-claims-f80fe3a0

Puntas13

BTC is just something else to gamble on. 0 practical value. Pat yourself on the back when you pay more for your electric bill and 500% more for GPUs. 

Fear_Blind83

Rumors that China sold $20B of BTC https://thedefiant.io/news/markets/china-sells-194k-bitcoin-worth-nearly-20-billion-contradicting-treasury-claims-f80fe3a0

Hot_Philosopher3199

This stat as well as the guy above who said "only 2% own it, it's not too early" assumes that the other 98% might someday want it. I don't know anyone who doesn't know about Bitcoin, everyone now knows you can buy the ETF's, yet they just don't care, don't believe in it, or don't want it. Gone are the days when BTC was a pain to get, now just about anyone could have it yet they choose not to.

SavvySID

This is a great example of security by practice, not claims! Anyone can say “we use TEEs.” Oasis went further and put real economic value at risk, and the fact that **1 BTC stayed untouched** while other [TEE-based systems](https://oasis.net/blog/oasis-tee-vulnerabilities) had to patch speaks volumes. The key takeaway isn’t that TEEs are perfect, but that **defense-in-depth + governance + key isolation** actually works in the wild.

sjd___

What benefit does gold have over BTC in terms of divisibility, scarcity, transferability, audit ability? I don’t believe it has any. The benefit to some is the price has gone up more over a short and more recent time frame. Rationally that should mean that BTC is better relative value, especially as you look to the future over a long time horizon.

Vipper_of_Vip99

Trade your BTC for gold now, you will look back on that decision in a few years when BTC calls see a be a hero. The world is not adopting a BTC standard, it is just moving off a USD standard. Gold is currently re-pricing that reality.

TherealCarbunc

really annoying how accurate this is. Imma need BTC to pick up for my MARA swing plays.

_SlipperySalmon_

I'm not in the game long enough to compare to prior cycles.... But I think it's the disconnect between how we should be performing vs reality. If it is failing to go up despite rotation away from USD into hard assets, and all the positive government regulatory changes in BTC favour, then when will it actually go up? Holding bitcoin over the last year has been a massive loss when factoring in USD devaluation and gains that could have been made elsewhere

Hot_Philosopher3199

Agree 100%. I'm a maxi as well and I have been around a while, but I also won't sit around during this time period. My goal is not to sit and wait. I rotated to AI and tech in September (I'm a cycle-believer) because my goal is to increase my bags over time, not sit around and wait for BTC to rise again. I'll rotate back when the time is right. My account has increased 35% against BTC since Sept, so I'll be buying a lot more when I rotate back, but I do not expect it to be in 2026.

Ok-Abbreviations6442

I'm nearly five years in. Been keeping up my DCA since May '21, but honestly, I can really see how newbies could get discouraged by this price action. Obvs, I know there is a lot more to it than that, but I'd say this last week or two is the most disappointed I've been with BTC v fiat since I started stacking. Aaaaanyway, onwards and upwards I guess. Stack sats and stay humble.

No-Masterpiece2246

ETF price rigging is the final death knell for BTC innovation. Nothing to see here.

Charming-Designer944

BTC is at a low side of its cycle. Almost guaranteed to soar upward significantly on a 5 year scale. But if your horizon is 6 months or less then it is better to stay away. There is a high riskmit will.continue to drop over the next months.

Sad-Pain-795

I honestly don't think it will. I'm a BTC maxi, but I'm not very hopeful at the moment. Let's be real. The "digital gold" narrative has thus far failed. We are heading towards more and more geopolitical uncertainty and perhaps a global conflict. What are people buying? Gold, silver What are people NOT buying? Bitcoin. In the community, we love to say that "nations are buying" and that institutions are "gobbling up the supply", but the reality is a tad different. I don't see how Bitcoin may have a big run in 2026. What's the catalyst? Liquidity? Nah. Sure, liquidity, rate cuts, and all that shit may have a small impact on BTC. +8%, -6%. Ok. That's tech stock territory. A "big run" means that bitcoin will at least increase 60% or more, I'm assuming. How do we get there? We need a catalyst. And honestly I don't see what this could be now. Even after ultra bullish events such as the white House comparing BTC to gold and establishing a national reserve, favorable laws and legislation, BTC being more widely adopted... We are still massively underperforming. Yes, Bitcoin had a great run from 2022 to 2025. That's undeniable. People who advocate for the 4 year cycle will say that we are now in a bear market. Who knows. My conviction is strong. I love Bitcoin and I'm buying more every time I can. I quit fiat. What's disheartening is that the rest of the world still has no fucking clue. It's sad to see BTC performing poorly. Patience will pay off. In conclusion though, I don't really see a big run up this year. But of course, no one knows! Let's see what happens. HODL

United_Barracuda167

I am buying to meet my BTC position goal 😌

Small_Rip351

Yes, gold’s gone parabolic. But has the narrative around a flight to gold as a safety asset changed? Have central banks stopped stockpiling gold? Have more nations recently thought hard about de-dollarization? When long futures contracts expire and the holder wants to take delivery, can the counterparty even make good on the physical or will they have to buy in the spot market? Will this ultimately lead to spot gold spiking further? All questions. In my opinion, I think gold can continue to run until something changes. But yeah, when something does, it’ll probably fall hard. I’d look at industrial metals. If the AI companies even wanna make use of their sunk capex, and the military wants to put their budget to use, they’ll need the metals we can no longer source from China. And I’d keep adding a little BTC. I’m not excited about it. I just think of it as insurance against a future world I don’t want, but a lot of billionaire assholes do.

SweetLemonPopsicle

If he hadn't done that, BTC would not be where it is today. This legitimized it.

Educational-Stay6736

I also think the potential is higher for BTC in the medium term. I find it hard to see an ounce of gold skyrocketing to $20,000 within 10 years. Whereas the idea of ​​BTC reaching $250,000 within 10 years seems even pessimistic to me.

No-Masterpiece2246

False, Blackrock has to sell ETF shares to authorized participants but the APs are NOT required to sell BTC

pixeltweaker

I mined like .1 BTC back in 2013. Still holding it. If this guy didn’t hold onto like 100 he is a bigger idiot than I thought.

whisperedstate

You don't have to be from the US to use Americanism's. I've never met someone who's invested in ETH and thinks litterally everything else is a shitcoin. There are no such people, because Ethereum as a network promotes diversification of crypto assets. People that hold ETH are likely to also have some ARB, or SOL, or XMR, or LINK, or whatever. But one thing is true, people in Ethereum call out bullshit, and 99.999% of crypto os a giant pile of bullshit. Now go find some Bitcoin maxis that think anything but BTC isn't a shitcoin.

No-Masterpiece2246

Blackrock directed their authorized participants (Citi, Citadel, Goldman Sachs, UBS, etc) to buy up large blocks of their ETF shares, forming a redemption unit, which the APs MAY have exchanged for BTC (but are not obligated to do). Translation: they rigged the market price of BTC to benefit the financial cartel in NYC.

musiciansfriend11

You can find many people rn having issues selling their physical gold and silver cuz no one wants to “buy at the top.” Liquidity issues further validate BTC as the strongest asset of our time. That and BTC priced in gold or silver is setting up for an aggressive swing when it’s time for it to pump

Aerocryptic

I’m not from the US 🤣 If you have an X account you should know that there is an ETH maxi community. And they hate everything that is not ETH. From BTC to all the alt L1s. The BTC zealots are dumb, but the ETH maxi crowd has also its own toxic vibe.

Rolex_nl

Nope not feeling it. I am numb because of all the pump and dump the us president is doing. I removed my btc tracker on my phone. I’ll hodl and check again in a couple of years. Not dca ing or investing any further in BTC

Easik

Nah, I'm not seriously buying until we are under $80k. I made a killing on COIN when it was at $60/share and I fully intend to lever up on BTC and BTC derivatives once we break down into the bear market.

MoreFeeYouS

Fact is just like BTC is harder to mine with each passing year so is gold. Yes, there is this mythical chance that maybe we find some massive gold node that will crash the price. But that is even less likely than some quantum computer cracking the blockchain.

newtonreddits

Yes buy gold. But remember to come back and buy BTC at ATH too

infernalr00t

Invest on silver and buyback in 6 months with BTC at 30k.

Different_Cap_2169

One once of gold is bigger than a half dollar. While bitcoin is just a digital asset not even accepted for payment in most places. Trust me I’m not against bitcoin, I’m against fiat but I think gold and silver is better then BTC as well.

Different_Cap_2169

I hope so it reaches that and I think it will it due time. But it’s not gold, silver or btc that is the problem. The problem is fiat currency. The best way to tackle it is with precious metals and even BTC. As the dollar continues to decline, expect all assets to go up especially gold and silver.

Hypnotic101

Do your own research. Whoever said a 10x from here is “unlikely” is ignorant to BTC.

spiegs-657

This will not happen again unless BTC goes to more than $1.4 million. A chart like this is completely irrelevant now

trustjosephs

The "digital gold" argument was intriguing to me initially, but it's clear that BTC is too correlated with equities, it's almost like a 2x SPY at times. It's a risk-on asset. I have positions in both and won't sell the BTC I already have, but I'm definitely thinking about shifting more of my DCA from BTC to GLD.

itsthehappyman

Ive been hearing about the collapse of BTC since it was $10k, You really think it cant get back to $100k, ok :)

MoreFeeYouS

As far as I know they also mine BTC

LazyGeneration

Because Bitcoin is in a little bit of a bear market right now. Which is usually a good time to buy. Compared with gold and silver that’s on a bullrun. However diversified, I think it’s a good time to stack sats. Consider that large part of the financial world can not convert their capital to BTC yet, but they can with silver and gold. This is to say, perhaps BTC will follow the trend of metals in the future when it’s adopted more fully by nation states and so on. However I wouldn’t sell any gold or silver either. Just keep it.

itsthehappyman

Gold will not 10x in the next 5 - 8 years, I believe BTC will

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nem3sis_AUT

There is an error in the screenshot, it says 0% BTC held…

positronius

Do everything it takes to amass 1 BTC. Got it.

itsthehappyman

You dont think BTC will 10x ?

anon-187101

the DXY is *not* the inverse of BTC

klykerly

Soon you’ll sell your gold for BTC. After BTC begins to spike again. ‘Twas always thus.

Kind_Soup_9753

I think banks are currently trying to save themselves and are in fact suppressing BTC price or they would have already met their end. Just look at the repo market.

beanbalance

using chatgpt because I am too lazy to search and type but BTC literally failed at just about everything it was supposed to do and be. Inflation hedge → Didn’t protect purchasing power; often fell with high inflation. Digital gold / safe haven → Sells off during uncertainty while gold rises. Uncorrelated asset → Became highly correlated with tech stocks (risk-on). Store of value (stable) → Extreme volatility over long periods. Financial inclusion tool → Too volatile/complex for everyday use by the unbanked. Censorship-resistant money (in practice) → On/off-ramps easily censored or regulated. Low-cost payments system → Fees slow/expensive during congestion.

AnusMistakus

friendly reminder, if you're holding BTC and 87 breaks, next support is at 78 so be prepared. https://www.coinglass.com/mergev2/BTC-USDT-SPOT

whisperedstate

He's right about Bitcoin. He just didn't realize there would be so many gullible people that think BTC is actually like "digital gold" and fell for the whole 21M cap / Satoshi is god religious crap. So there's very painful years ahead for Bitcoin. This will drag the rest of crypto with it, but eventually Ethereum will come out on top as a platform that is actually used and integrated into the real world economy.

Fox_0693

Just looking at BTC from a "normal" point of view I have been in BTC since FEB 2013 I have studied it's movement in great detail and I have found the this year is a DOWN year I will not tell somebody to BUY or SELL THAT is your choice and yours alone But if you're asking from the point of view of this post. Then yes - honest answer would be DUMP it. By doing so you will play a part that is more important than anything you could ever imagine I'm not trying to cause a panic by any means - but I must answer the question honestly I am trying to find the EXIT also so ........................ While I may exude confidence - it all scares me. The ones that are telling you to buy are tricksters They are tempters \-SYS- save your soul

Green_Ad9723

It will always be cheaper to take out a loan or sell BTC.

beanbalance

BTC has failed everything it was supposed to do though, from being a payment alternative to now being a "digital gold". It literally is just pumping and dumping like al the others shitcoins.

westbourn

I wouldn't risk my home on an investment theory. I'm deep in BTC via MSTR and I'm down 38pc on my last average buy - but that's my pension and it's long term. First - get a mortgage free home for your family

Radiant_Selection-

What are you taking about? “BTC … never hit all time high” ? You’re insufferable-get out of crypto.

BainTrain55

2021 vs 2025 chart look identical. Start shorting BTC already they are giving it right to you. This has been the easiest money I’ve ever made in my life.

JonBoy82

BTC is used a collateral leverage so looks like some institution is getting nuked on collateral behind the scenes

ferocious_swain

Crypto sucks soo bad even the Dollar is up against BTC..😂

WD40Capital

I think the BTC halving will come early. The price will lose another 50% before stabilizing.

Warrior_Warlock

America is over leveraged, for the first time ever financial institutions are questioning US reliability, countries are dumping US bonds, Germany and Italy are on the verge of claiming their gold stores back from the US, US trade relations have soured in a way that won't ever truly recover. I'm expecting the US dollar to collapse within the next 5 years. BTC amoung others have been approved as reserve assets. So BTC seems like a reasonable bet. My main concern is when they finally use this situation to force the cbdc's onto America and Europe, whether or not we will be able to cash out again.

hertzog24

so many wrongs here. i can carry an ounce of gold easier than a BTC

NatBitty

Oh look, what’s been happening for months keeps happening! 😂 Puts on ETH every Friday and selling at 10am Monday unless BTC reaches $100k again. The cliff is steeeeeep.

princenocode

Not all altcoins are fake, but a full BTC position is generally more secure over the long term.

biba8163

The proposal to give Tom Lee 4.5 Million more shares of BMNR based on the criteria below passed on January 15. He is being handsomely paid to shill ETH and people fell for his bullshit hype. - Tom Lee gets 500,000 shares or ~$14 Million at today's price when BMNR get 4% of all ETH regardless of whether ETH is $1K or $5K - Tom Lee gets 1,000,000 shares or ~$28 Million at today's price when BMNR get 5% of all ETH regardless of whether ETH is $1K or $5K - The other compensation is based on BMNR stock performance | Performance Criteria | Hurdle | Shares | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | Share of ETH | 4% | 500,000 | Share of ETH | 5% | 1,000,000 | BMNR Stock Price | $125 | 500,000 | BMNR Stock Price | $250 | 1,000,000 | BMNR Marketcap | $25 Billion | 500,000 | BMNR Marketcap | $50 Billion | 1,000.000 https://www.bamsec.com/filing/149315225026868 If Tom Lee genuinely considers ETH the **"Biggest Macro Trade of the Next Decade"** then: - Why was he not screaming this in 2024 or before July 2025 when he was marketed as the chairman of BMNR? - Why does he not even understand the basics of Ethereum and call it a fork of Bitcoin? - Why has he not allocated a percentage to ETH in his OWN ETF, Fundstrat's flagship ETF? - Why is Tom Lee allocating to BTC in his very own ETF portfolio through MSTR and not have ANY exposure to ETH? https://grannyshots.com/holdings/ **No, Tom Lee suddenly started shilling the hell out of ETH since June 2025 because he was appointed Chairman of BMNR and is getting handsomely compensated to SHILL SHILL SHILL.**

Cptn_BenjaminWillard

Satoshi's wallet would only be the first to be targeted if someone wants to completely destroy global financial systems. That's because BTC would crumble immediately, setting off contagion in multiple other markets. Fiat systems would still be vulnerable to crypto meltdown due to cascading effects.

DepressedDraper

The last BTC ATH was in October 2025, not so long ago

uthillygooth

The entire financial system is porting to crypto. How Does that benefit retail facing chains and protocols is the real question BTC is its own singular case

HmmmWhyDoYouAsk

99.99% of alts will die in the next decade BTC will live on forever

WiseSilverWolf

>Crypto will make a comeback eventually, even if it’s in a few years. I can definitely see BTC trading above $150k by 2030. Yeah but we will also be 4 years older 😂

Lost-Bowl3269

It depends on your perspective: If you bet that BTC will go 10 times higher, it's cheap. If you bet that it will fall 70% and take years to recover, 88k is practically the top. You must initially have a central thesis. Without that, it's difficult to give direction to investment decisions, which can never be generic and must always be relative to the investor's profile.

Bitter_Union3565

Welcome! For beginners, it’s usually safer to start with the major coins like BTC or ETH and avoid chasing hype. Some people also explore staking or delegating via validators (you’ll see sites like p2pstaking mentioned) to earn passive yield while holding, but remember it’s still exposed to market risk.

olduvai_man

BTC doesn't make an ATH in longer than 6 months: "It's useless and not a good store of value." Gold doesn't make an ATH in 9 years (prev one took 27 years): "This is the best store of value ever seen."

funkymonk44

I literally sold my entire portfolio in December of 2024. I almost got really sad there for a moment when BTC touched $126k but I always focus on the fact that I used my profit to pay off my student loans in full and thus left me with zero debt hanging over my head. That's real tangible impact instead of watching imaginary numbers go up and down all the time. When Trump got into office and started dropping meme coins I lost faith in the space.

Zestyclose-Honey-931

I don't think so. Bitcoin is losing traction it seems the only one buying is Saylor. Countries are ditching their dollar reserves and choosing to hold physical gold. Too many geopolitical pressures atm and Gold has been much more resilient than Bitcoin. I am personally selling BTC for Gold and it just keeps doing me better. Sad because I truly believed in BTC but the charts just don't look good.

GobiEats

Hell no man, if you need to borrow to buy BTC then you have no business investing. Buy what you can afford Md never sell.

Most_Luck_2678

If USD gets devalued that just mean that money has to go somewhere. Gold and Silver had their massive run ups already not to mention huge dependence on mining. BTC on the other hand has only certain amount. Am bullish af

jkl2035

Man - I see your point, two things to consider imho. All the major quantum Players have delivered their roadmaps in the last 3-4 years & a lot of institutional money going in this sector right now. Don‘t see why they shouldn‘t deliver Running machines with 2k+ logical qbits Till early-mid 2030s which would be Quantum threat for BTC & others

PsychologicalBit803

It’s a stupid question. What needs explaining?? You’re in a BTC sub. You think people here jump ship after two weeks? If you are being serious here please sell whatever you hold and invest in something else. Either that or read a book. Again, maybe I’m wrong but it’s a dumb question in my opinion done to try and get reactions.

Impressive-Reply-244

Crypto will make a comeback eventually, even if it’s in a few years. I can definitely see BTC trading above $150k by 2030.

Far_Significance1669

Great question So it you sell = it’s a loss for sure If you hold long term = it’s a win for sure If you sell now and the market goes bearish you never know how deep it will go and how long it will take. In others words: if you want to trade and gamble more then you could sell. But, I don’t play that game. I keep on stacking and am at 1.25 BTC now and will keep on buying when the bear market happens. Only when then the bull market happens again I will sell 10% to accumulate FIAT so I can buy again the next bear market. Hope that helps

CourseDazzling9537

Gold does not have scarcity relative to BTC. Not even in the same ball park.

spitfireNshade

This guy has no idea what he is talking about BTC is not done at $88k