BTC

Rumblestillskin

If in a few months BTC shoots up like it was an alt coin in gold's world the narrative will completely change.

excitedidiot

This post is a BTC buy signal. Thanks.

_R0Ns_

\~100K might be the max for BTC for a long time. Now banks really start to adopt crypto and governments start to regulate crypto the end of making a lot of money is near.

cyger

I just think 100k was a major level where very many long term holders like myself (10 years) took some BTC off the table. The proceeds were thrown in to AI plays, which were attractive last April. But I think BTC will come roaring back after this period of consolidation.

UrbanNomad42

They bring up quantum computing cracking BTC encryption, or Satoshi dumping his full BTC stash, what do you say?

devCheckingIn

Alts getting absolutely obliterated. I know BTC maxis think that's good for BTC, but it never is.

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Hellstorage

BTC ETH and Avax i think it will give good return. but that means you have to hold it untill tension drops when it drops no one knows all we can say it will eventually its inevitable.

ImDeepState

No it’s not. The BTC people say it’s early every day on Reddit.

Aromatic-Pudding-299

Exactly. For every person complaining bitcoin isn’t good there are 10 stories of people trying to sell their physical silver or gold and unable to get market price. Here’s the truth, you can’t take silver or gold to the bank and exchange it for dollars. You can’t use it at the store. There are very few bullion dealers and they will rip you off. Digital currency is the future and BTC is the dollar equivalent. It’s not going anywhere.

fistfucker07

Both gold and silver are used in manufacturing DAILY Gold is in every cellphone around the world. Silver too. every laptop. Gold is in almost every electronic device on the PLANET One BTC is only“worth” the collected money wasted on electricity and mining equipment. Stop mining. Btc will go down. The second there is a regulation in electricity use, Btc will die. The mining companies are already shifting to providing compute for AI instead. That will leave two major miners controlling the protocol. Hooray. Almost completely centralized . Just what satoshi dreamed it would be, RIGHT?

beanbalance

the problem is that BTC has failed at just about everything it was supposed to be and touted as. The store of value (that is why maxis have been pushing digital gold latelly: a safe haven in bad times) is just the last thing that is failing now (BTW the weekly chart looks horrendous, check MA99). again, what makes it a "digital gold" kind of store of value is that it performs in bad times. If we only go by the "but it pumped from 15 years ago!!!" then this is just the same like just about most shitcoin did. If we can equate BTC and let say DOGE (because BTC failed at everything else that it was suppose to be special) then BTC narrative is in a bad shape.

Johancel-Zuziak

Splendid name, and this might be OP's first time cuz BTC is a weirdo

No_South_9912

Many are getting out of BTC to invest in metals.

PettyKing_69

Whenever you say BTC is a speculative asset, how does gold or silver differentiate? Both are speculative assets, meaning you are hoping someone will buy it from your hands at higher price, as there is no intrinsic value.

BTC_is_waterproof

It’s worth stacking any amount of BTC

Fanisimos

The only reason I don’t own any BTC is because I’m poor af

dispatch134711

Even conservatively fire is like a million dollars in most areas, especially under 50. Do you actually think BTC will be 2 million in 10 years

beanbalance

who cares about what was 15 years ago. Have you been buying and holding that long? just about most shitcoins have done the same. Is doge a store of value too then? Now if you agree that BTC is just like 'every' other shitcoin, well, then we are onto something here. So the main point I am arguing here is that BTC maxis have been saying it is much more. It is not.

AD1AD

Bitgree, a site where you can either buy products from Amazon or Mercado Libre and pay with BitcoinCash, or earn BCH by fulfilling others' orders, recently enabled double spend proofs (DSPs). Before, earners would need to wait for a confirmation before buying the requested product. Now, their server waits ~5 seconds after BCH has been sent to the escrow to see if they receive a DSP, and then considers the payment final. https://x.com/bitgreecom/status/2016331535624925205 While BTC butchered the functionality of 0-conf with "replace-by-fee" (RBF), BCH is supporting the use case with the best security possible and then leaving it up to individuals to do their own risk assessment.

TheGuinnessGuzzler

Focus isn't here, but BTC in the 80s. Honestly short term anything above 60s feels good. Now it's shifting from OGs to people who look at 3 & 5 year charts not 30 min. Bit more boring, but less stressful and most likely great for long term

Illustrious_Way3898

Crypto never had a run up bro. Even BTC did not go up enough. Crypto influencers are out of their minds . They blew their load too soon!

jesusthatsgreat

> which BTC turned out to be This is where you can learn a thing or two from Peter Schiff. Look at longer timeframe, step back... it's too way early to declare BTC a pump & dump or fools gold. Schiff wasn't declaring gold dead in 2017 or 2021 when BTC was being talked up as a gold replacement. He went more than a decade having to deal with people saying gold was a failing store of value and a boomer investment that will go nowhere. The fundamentals for BTC are, in my opinion, stronger than ever. Price will catch up. Maybe price goes down a lot further before it catches up, who knows. But time will judge whether BTC is a smart store of value. It's too soon to judge imo.

Itur_ad_Astra

Thing is, the derivatives and ETFs introduced by Wall street have financialized BTC to such a degree, that significant bubbles are now impossible. And, since BTC is mainly a speculative asset, this killed its main appeal. BTC is now sanitized, and, as a result, defeated. It won't go to zero, but, once the last believer stops throwing in money during a Bart or gambles 100X on Bitmex, it will just slowly fade into obscurity. BTC will just go to $70K, or $60K, find a permanent bottom, and USD inflation will take care of the rest, in time.

beanbalance

>It did all of this, from zero, in 15 years. yeah lots of shitcoins are old and pumped 100x more than BTC. the thing is BTC maxis have been touting btc as something more. It failed as an inflation hedge, uncorrelated asset, store of value, financial inclusion tool, censorship-resistant money, low-cost payments system, and now lastly digital gold/safe haven narrative.

Zzzaxx

Btc never replaced gold. It's like 10x the entire crypto market at its recent ath. It's narrative has always been a long term store of value amid volatility and uncertainty. It's not correlated with BTC. Beyond the long term store of value (think decades, not weeks), and hedge against massive fiat debasement, BTC has frontrunner gold since its inception

AvailableTie6834

if you use something like [coinos.io](http://coinos.io) or sideswap to exchange BTC on-chain to liquid and back to on-chain in a different address, there is no way chain analysis can track you back. Chain Analysis for me is useless to track people that know what they are doing with BTC, it just a buzzword to sell scam to companies and government.

beanbalance

\> he has consistently passed up the opportunity to invest in it or change his view on it. a lot of serious investors avoid pump and dump and volatile stuff.. which BTC turned out to be. BTC failed on every premise it had in past and the maxis have been pushing "digital gold" narrative as a last resort. it is failing this too. It is just the most well know pump and dump shitcoin among all. It really is similar like btc maxis shit on all altcoins when in reality more or less you could invest in doge and other crap and get even better returns than BTC. Yet maxis hate this even more than peter hates btc.

RatherCynical

This is stupid framing. The troughs after every pump has reliably gone up. The cost of mining the coin has reliably gone up. Measuring from bottom to bottom, we've been exceptionally good at storing value. Measuring from energy cost per BTC, we've been exceptionally good at storing value. Just because you can't see it because you either don't have the cognitive capabilities to do so and / or the information to analyse to see it, it doesn't mean it's not there. It just means you're blind

beanbalance

I really dont care people going back to the beginnings. How many bought then and are selling only now? compare just maybe last few years when the world went to shit and BTC was suppose to be this digital gold and a safe haven in times of like this. BTC failed on every premise it had in past and the maxis have been pushing "digital gold" narrative as a last resort. it is failing this too.

Glyzzza_

BTC, ETH, SOL, and GOLD for diversification.

Outsider-Trading

>BTC goes 100,000x >then gold goes 3x "Wow I bet those Bitcoiners are feeling pretty stupid right now"

ThreeTonChonker

Gold and silver will dump this year and then money will flock to BTC, just watch

RatherCynical

Look at macro. Post-Covid, we had the craziest stimulus money coming in. $1200 checks, huge unemployment checks, furlough checks, and so on. 0.25% interest rates. A hundred billion in Quantitative Easing a month, easily. In that environment, you can't make money at all by holding cash. You HAVE to risk it, and you HAVE to put it in DeFi yield farms. The TVL for everything went up like crazy, and it bled into everything that could be described as a risk asset. The riskier and more speculative, the better it did, generally speaking. This time, we don't have that environment at all. We had over 4% interest rates for basically the whole cycle. Everyone is happy with their High Yield Savings Account or Money Market Funds. Nobody cares about DeFi yield farms because why would you take on huge amounts of risk when the risk-free alternatives are nearly as good? In that environment, only things that provide leverage pumps. Injective pumped strongly because it has a Futures Exchange (Helix). PENDLE pumped strongly because it has an interest-derivatives exchange. RAY pumped strongly because people can get 100x on their memecoins (like FARTCOIN) within weeks, which is strong enough to be worth the time. Rollbit is a gambling site but it also allows you to buy futures, so that pumped too. Practically everything else fucking sucked donkey dick. Only Bitcoin Treasury companies like MSTR and Metaplanet did well, but MSTR has too many Bitcoin for their playbook to work again (Metaplanet is still fine, only 35,000 BTC in their holdings right now). Crypto will see its day in the sun again when we return to low interest rates, QE, and so on. But for now, high rates and easy risk-free money means there's absolutely no reason at all to be in the speculative markets.

Cptn_BenjaminWillard

You know, it's been pointed out that sometimes in the past, BTC rose suddenly roughly three months after gold went on a rapid rise. Gold did that starting in October, sure, which means that this is about three months. But gold has been doing it even more recently, which means that BTC could heat up by May IF the same trend happens. Or BTC could become a complete failure. We don't really know what will happen.

donjoe0

STABLE seems like it gives 0 fks that BTC is going down, it even had a mini-meltup last night like the metals, and its fundamentals seem reasonable, trying to be a facilitator of stablecoin use across multiple stablecoins not just one. Its one big vulnerability I can think of right now is if it's meant to be exclusive to USD-pegged stablecoins, what with everyone losing confidence in the USD fast, but other than that it seems highly relevant tech for payment services that are getting more and more buy-in, even from banks.

user_name_checks_out

> The New York outfit Strive has managed to elbow its way into the top ten list of publicly traded Bitcoin hoarders. > The firm has completed an oversubscribed capital raise, proving that despite the best efforts of regulators, the appetite for corporate Bitcoin accumulation remains voracious. By raising $225mn through a follow-on offering of perpetual preferred stock and debt exchanges, the firm has cleared its books of $110mn in inherited debt and bolstered its Bitcoin stash to approximately 13,131.82 BTC. At current valuations, that is a hoard valued above $1.1bn. Wow.

Medium_Change4574

At least BTC is gonna win this race against Gold: First to $10k

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No-Confusion4519

BTC, Sol & Hype ser

Illustrious_Way3898

Gold and silver have gone parabolic. That’s what crypto should have done. The current BTC price is crap 💩 and the ETH price pathetic dog🐕shit 💩!

Sea-Environment-5938

I don’t think the claim is that gold is in a structural bull market replacing crypto, but that it often reacts first to macro stress. Historically, gold has tended to move on uncertainty and real-rate expectations, while Bitcoin reacts more to liquidity conditions and policy follow-through. That doesn’t make one superior just sensitive to different inputs. Short-term divergences don’t invalidate Bitcoin’s long-term thesis, and they also don’t mean gold “can’t” have cyclical rallies post-crypto. Markets aren’t zero-sum. The more useful question is whether BTC starts responding once liquidity expectations shift not whether gold is competing with it.

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GooferMcDaniels

Bought BTC for the first time today. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

ZeeDyke

What I personally noticed with people around me is that the amount of coins that is flooding the market made a lot of people that where "gambling" with crypto became less enthusiastic. The ones that were just accumulating BTC and ETH for example, are still doing it and are still positive.

APerson2021

I just DCA $100 per month into BTC until my retirement age (60 years old). Idegaf about what's happening to anything else.

Burry1995

If I have some on chain BTC in an hardware wallet consolidated to 4/5 UTXOs , if I swap them to lightning and go back to on chain BTC to another wallet with a second swap is my privacy emproved? I've heard that chain analysis in lightning network is a bit more complicated.

Fanisimos

Currencies are going down forever 😂 BTC is stable

Internal_Custard_746

No, there was no alt-coin season, but it was just getting started when Trump nipped it in the bud with his first tariff announcement last year. Any potential recovery in the entire crypto market—including BTC and ETH—is undermined by the dire macroeconomic scenario imposed by Trump's reckless and unpredictable decisions. Markets need certainty, but Trump is upending all geopolitical and macroeconomic structures and balances. As long as Trump is president, we should expect the worst.

sounoriginal13

BTC

PeachScary413

People here can't even imagine BTC being flat for a month or so.. just look at the daily we dropped like 90% activity because of a slight downturn and a crab

WorldlyCaramel3793

Should I bag ETH or BTC?

GreedVault

it feels like early 2025 when BTC kept hitting new ATHs....

vdzla

I think it will be significant if BTC goes up, but could be insignificant if BTC goes down, hope that helps

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Individual_Turn_3288

I say buy both assets gold and BTC that’s the way to go that way there’s no mistaken. We know gold is going up so your Bitcoin is low right now so if you buy BTC right now when it goes up, there’s your profit, so either way eventually you will win, for a quick profit, go with gold as long as other countries continue to sell America and. America continues to devalue the dollar gold & silver will continue to rise no doubt!

Hit4Help

This isn't FUD, just uncertainty and doubt from retail. Investment platforms are still hoovering up BTC.

badplayz99

Of course, number 1 BTC, SOL and ETH will still show themselves. From the TOP 10, I would still look at XRP

shosuko

I don't think regulations will go hard on crypto b/c the movement for governments across the globe are moving in. Trump is holding crypto and especially BTC back at this point.

Dry-Doctor-2756

Good theory, practice not so much. The era of BTC being an outside system is over. It is tied into the financial system now and reacts to everything the stock market reacts to. Whales will pump and dump crypto forever. So price will be very controlled.

Every_Hunt_160

What's keeping the prices of BTC down while everything else shoots to the moon ?

DryMyBottom

>BTC stuck at $89,000  I remember when it was stuck at $29k, we've come a long way since then

ChocoChipsTish

Gold still wins long term for me. Central banks are buying heavily, and it’s real money when systems start to crack. Crypto is still too correlated with risk sentiment and equity selloffs. That said, crypto probably has the better upside in 2026. Adoption is accelerating, ETFs are live, and halving dynamics make something like BTC to $200k feel more realistic than gold doubling. Gold is steady, but it’s not exactly exciting.

ReliantToker

THE FIRST "WHALE" (THE MARTTI MALMI SALE) ​In the earliest days, Bitcoin had no market value. The first person to ever sell Bitcoin for "real" money (outside of the New Liberty Standard exchange rate) was Martti Malmi, Satoshi’s first collaborator. ​On October 12, 2009, Martti sold 5,050 BTC for a total of $5.02 USD. This transaction, conducted via PayPal, gave Bitcoin an initial valuation of roughly $0.0009 per coin. Martti later admitted that he eventually sold most of his early holdings to buy a studio apartment in Helsinki in 2011. While that same amount of Bitcoin would be worth hundreds of millions today, Martti remains a legendary figure for providing the very first "liquidity" the network ever saw. His sale proved that Bitcoin wasn't just digital "play money" on a forum; it was something that could be exchanged for the sovereign currency used to pay for a home.

Thom5001

Don’t worry, it will have its moment. It always has. Just the bear market blues suppressing price till gold gets high enough and BTC gets low enough. Then there’ll be a rotation and a new ride up. That’s how markets work. Always looking for the next theme to invest your fiat and ride up.

piggleii

Back when BTC was at 15k, most were calling for 10k or less. Just a thought. NFA

Comprehensive_Tea388

I'm getting the feeling the banks have stopped shorting metals and are now suppressing BTC and ETH. Keep hearing all this good news about tooenization and adoption but the price is contained and just barcodes.

TripTryad

I know that no one here wants to hear this, but its perfectly healthy and fine to ride the crypto bull seasons while pivoting to equities in the off seasons. Up over 200% in MU over the past 6 months and up over 400% in SNDK in the last 6 months as well It's just investing in RAM/Memory with it being gobbled up because of all of the AI craze (that will inevitably die down at some point) By the end of this year (if previous cycles hold true, it'll be time to pivot back and get exposure to BTC again for 2027 and keep an eye out to see if we get another alt season in 2028 (Maybe it happens, maybe it doesnt). Just felt like mentioning it. If you arent averse to stocks, then go get your returns there by investing in something you understand. (Don't invest in RAM if you don't understand what's going on) You can always return to crypto later. I'm on my last cycle and I should be retiring if this goes the normal return in the next BTC bull market. 👍🏾

DrSpeckles

Yes the fact BTC did well in the past does not mean it will do so again. Gold has done well for hundreds of years

PancakeConnoisseur

Are you twelve? USD is money. BTC is not widely accepted and has huge fees when you do use it.

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Moist-Knowledge7535

Gold is the new BTC. My gold went +9% already in 2 days.

WorkerPlayful4192

Mate....what if never sell this BTC, in or sell only half of them....

audigex

IMO if you have less than 1BTC it’s not gonna be worth FU money in your lifetime (I also have less than 1BTC, I’m not judging or punching down here, just giving a view)

Schneehenry3000

Imagine having 0.21 BTC oO

Detstar

You didn’t want to reprompt your AI model to generate an image that doesn’t show 0.21 BTC twice?

GreatComposer85

I have 0.2 BTC, and if that ends up being enough to cover my groceries for the rest of my life, I’ll be thrilled. Anything extra is just a bonus, lol.

SpartanMoonMan

To avoid liquidation, you’d have to overcollateralize by a lot. If you put up $100k in BTC to borrow $10k, BTC would need to crash around 70–80% before you’d be at risk. Borrowing more than about 10–15% of your collateral definitely increases the danger. And you’re right…the biggest concern is trusting these protocols with custody of your BTC

PastOne4253

Yolo everything into **50x BTC** lev and pray, Works ***Every*** time, ***probably***.

Wo0odi

They spread FUD so you sell your Bitcoin and they can buy it cheaper. I haven't even really noticed much these days, but I don't pay as much attention to the noise anymore and just continue to stack BTC as I know what I hold. I used to obsess over every news article and spend hours seeking any sign of where price may be going, hours and hours of learning how to read charts and do technical analysis. Now I just buy regular and buy bigger when it drops bigger.

Big80sweens

My advice is make sure you have 0.1BTC now while it’s still attainable

trader2O

Most CEXs have KYC. Cold wallets don’t have KYC. So if you were to send your BTC to a cold wallet you are simply sending it to a coded string address that is not technically linked to you or anyone else. If someone investigated the CEX account it was sent from, they would be able to see where it was sent, but don’t know who owns that address. In other words, even if the CEX is in your name, they can’t actually prove you sent the funds to yourself.

IInsulince

That’s not a logical conclusion from what he said. 1 BTC = 1 BTC, not $1. It has a value in dollars, and that value is above $1. The point he’s making is that even though the value of BTC will go up in USD terms, it doesn’t make it inherently more valuable. It MAY be the case that it’s becoming more inherently valuable due to increased adoption/demand, OR it may be the case that the USD is getting less valuable due to inflation from money printing. It’s usually both. Hearing this then proposing as a conclusion that he should trade you 1 BTC for $1 just shows you didn’t understand what’s we being said. Bitcoin has no top because fiat has no bottom.

Demodras777

Just wait until we see $50k. That's the time to buy .1BTC!

Past_Expression54646

BTC will be 1M by 2030

CanadianCompSciGuy

It doesn't matter when you buy, what matters is your ability to hold it for at least four years. If you buy today, tomorrow or next year, it won't really matter. In the short term it will go up, and it will go down. You have to accept that BTC is incredibly volatile in the short term, and a rocket ship in the long term.

Sage_of_spice

BTC isn't an investment, it's a currency. Like rials, or bottlecaps. It's valuation in fiat isn't it's true worth, simply a representation of how the unwashed masses percieve it. In that sense being able to exchange any amount of fake currency for BTC is a blessing. It doesn't matter if the value is $1 or $1,000,000,000. 1 BTC is 1 BTC. Bitcoin won't rise in value - it will define it and stand atop the fakes and frauds that sought to stamp it out on it's rightful throne as the one true currency.

wishwashbum

What happens to Microstrategy once BTC hits 60k?

DSMRob

FU money is different for everyone. To me its 100 million. If BTC hits 500k in 10 years then your .1 will be a nice down payment on a truck.

Grunblau

It may be possible that the best use case for BTC is as an asset backed credit card. Borrow against it. How high do you want your limit to be?

AmazingfurnitureCT

Everyday is a good day to buy BTC

Either_Inflation_960

What do you think 0.1 BTC can actually get you in 10 years? Let’s say BTC goes to $1M. Your little stash will be worth $100,000. Is that going to be anything significant in 10 years when the purchasing power of USD drops significantly? I may sound harsh but the reality is you need much more than this trendy weeney amount. Enough said.

Willing_Distance726

I'd go BTC ETFs, takes the guessing out of trading bitcoin especially if you're playing the long game with the asset

MoistAbuelita

Ah yes the same people saying Bitcoin solves all problems are the same ones hoping the price of BTC rises in USD to sell for USD lol

TisWha

Use sling money. Deposit cash to app, withdraw USDC to exchange or dex, buy BTC. And you can increase your limits for a short period if you explain the situation. Best on/off ramp I’ve seen.

Vivid-Head-6484

Taxes isnt a big deal for BTC especially bc you’re gonna be holding more than a year. On top of that, if you set aside 50% for taxes, you’ll have more than enough to pay uncle scam. As for black swans, that’s what the stop loss is for. It protects you from anomalies including - but not limited to - black swans. If price breaks the previous low, I’m always selling 50%. The model I’m using was designed for trend analysis. It works in more than just financial markets. It also works for coin tosses, which blows my mind. I haven’t been able to wrap my head around that one. Lmao at the sob story post. Yeah idk why people use leverage. I read a scientific paper about how to properly use leverage but I had trouble understanding it completely.

Training-Rip6463

No. Biggest blessings would be BTC going to $0.

Lost-Bowl3269

It's over. It's going to crash and take years to recover. The economy has collapsed and BTC is going down with it.

Head-End-5909

Something is better than nothing. It’s as meaningful or meaningless as 1 BTC since increases or decreases in value are the same, percentage wise. Some people consider $10k meaningful while others may only consider $50k, $100k, or $1 million meaningful.

uduni

10 years could be significant. Not a sure thing tho. Theres lots of things standing in the way of hyperbitcoinization. But if we get there BTC will be 10 million per coin