BTC

Mobile-Ad-786

I allocate 300€/month for BTC. 150€ goes as one monthly payment, 150€ goes as 5/ day

Legitimate_Cry_5194

BTC if you want to invest, a little ETH (at most 10%-20% of your investment) if you want to get more risky and anything else if you want to gamble.

ReadingTheSign23

Yeah you can’t really “convert” that seed into a 12-word one, Electrum uses its own format so moving the funds is basically the only way. Fee-wise it’s just a normal BTC transaction, so it depends on network congestion at the time. Sometimes it’s a couple bucks, sometimes more. You can usually set a lower fee if you’re not in a rush, just might take longer to confirm. There’s no free transfer even if both wallets are yours. BlueWallet is generally fine and pretty popular for mobile. Just make sure you’re downloading the legit one and back up your new seed properly. If you’re cautious, you could even do a small test transaction first before moving the full balance.

Stats_DontCare0

Honestly I feel like half the early BTC stories sound like this. People either lost coins, spent them on random stuff, or just forgot about them completely. The fact you actually came back in and started DCA’ing puts you way ahead of most people with similar stories. A lot of folks just stay stuck on the “what if” part and never touch it again. Also kind of wild how normal it felt back then to treat BTC like arcade tokens. Nobody was thinking long term at that stage.

Stats_DontCare0

If you’re limited to Robinhood for now, sticking with the bigger names like BTC and ETH is honestly the safer play. They’re not exciting in the short term, but they tend to be the least stressful compared to chasing smaller coins. LINK is still one people keep an eye on, but it’s definitely more volatile. I’d personally treat anything outside BTC/ETH as a smaller side position rather than going all in. Once you branch out, the main difference is you actually control your coins and get more options. Just be ready for a bit more complexity with wallets, transfers, and fees. It’s worth learning, but I wouldn’t rush it until you’re comfortable again.

Sufficient-Rent9886

Honestly this is one of the healthier takes on that kind of story. Most people with early BTC stories either beat themselves up forever or turn it into some huge what if spiral. You used it for something real at the time, got value out of it, and still ended up getting back in later. That’s already better than the majority who either sold and never came back or still haven’t touched BTC at all. Also back then it genuinely didn’t feel like it was going to become what it is now. Anyone saying they knew is rewriting history a bit.

Sufficient-Rent9886

Yeah BTC and ETH are still the backbone, that hasn’t really changed. What has changed is the vibe. Way more focus on self custody after all the exchange blowups, and people are a lot more skeptical of anything that sounds too good to be true. A lot of the 2021 hype coins are basically ghosts now, while newer narratives keep cycling in. Feels like every year there’s a new this is the future sector. Some stick around, most don’t. As for platforms, people still use the big exchanges, but it’s way more common now to move stuff off immediately and use wallets or on-chain options. You’ll probably notice this sub is a bit less moonboy and a bit more cynical too. If you’ve been out for a while, honestly not a bad move to just ease back in slowly and watch how things feel before going all in.

ReadingTheSign23

BTC and ETH are still the “default settings” honestly, that part hasn’t really changed. What did change is everything around them feels a lot more cycle-driven now. Tons of hype sectors come and go fast, like AI coins, gaming, L2s, meme runs again, then rotate out just as quick. A lot of the old alts from a few years back are basically ghosts now, so people are way more cautious about holding anything long term outside the big ones. Feels like more folks treat alts as shorter plays instead of “hold for years” bets. On exchanges, the big names are still around but people are more paranoid now. Self-custody gets brought up way more than it used to. Not your keys, etc. Sub itself feels bigger but also a bit more cynical. Less blind hype, more people calling things out… but the hype still sneaks back in every cycle. If you’ve been out a while, easing in with BTC/ETH and just watching the trends for a bit is probably the least stressful way back in.

WaywardPuffinViews

100%. Retirement planning with BTC.

LateBackground2343

BTC will dip to 15k btw

kobriks

Then you are getting ripped off. Don't sell your BTC so cheap

Savings-Bear-9418

Nice try Dude ,but we have seen from the Epstein files why people call BTC pedo coin. And after so many years still didn't replace the old money. Apparently there's some huge problems with crypto.

rankinrez

The LN simply doesn’t work. It’s true we’d need something else to function as a global payment system. Some would argue we already have that in traditional finance, some say they can square the trade offs in blockchain (decentralisation, speed, scale) with another design (hasn’t happened yet though). Either way the debate is done, BTC is stuck at like 10tps and that’s that. It will never be used for mass retail payments.

Logical_Lemming

I can see not wanting to sell your BTC, but I don't understand why anyone would want to lock up USDC collateral to borrow USD to pay their down payment. Instead of just... selling the USDC for USD and paying with that.

LinusVPelt

I understand better now, thanks for clarifying. In that case - for repeated needs of small sums - the solution seems to be crypto debit cards: https://koinly.io/blog/best-crypto-debit-card/ The two I heard the most about are: **Bleap Mastercard**: often a top choice for international travel, **0% foreign exchange (FX) fees, no conversion markups**. **Crypto.com** Visa Card: popular global option with tiered rewards (up to 5% cashback) and perks (airport lounge access); some tiers require staking its native token. At the moment. In countries where you can pay directly with crypto, like Bolivia in USDT or Lugano (USDT and BTC), you don't need a crypto debit card. Hopefully there will be more countries accepting direct crypto payments. Even if there won't be, the solution is already there.

CalzerMalzer

Then buy even more BTC

AdPrevious5886

Thats exactly why im asking. I wanted to know general feeling and thoughts from people, not only the info you can get from google, cherry picked news or whatever. I have my own thoughts on BTC, i think it will reach ATH, but hardly by 2027-2028 or so. But i also think, if it ever reaches 200k or more, probably will take 10-15 years easy. Its not an investment that will give you so much returns unless you have the money already. I feel today is not worth to DCA unless youre DCAing at least 500$ a month. Otherwise you will have to wait for years just to have a few bucks in return. But i also feel betrayed, since they sold Bitcoin to us like decentralized, like a no manipulable market. And nowadays, those who run centralized markets, sistems, money are the same that have the biggest ammount of BTC. And as we seen, its totally manipulable. So, for me, its a decentralized idea thats getting slow and silently centralized, and they just found out how to manipulate a non manipulable thing, based on acumulation and big money. Same with stocks and general markets. Keith David had its point in the movie Platoon, when he told Taylor ( Charlie Sheen ) this quote: Richs always fucked up the poors, always was and always will be. Also, people who say "look at the charts" feels delusional to me. You can never predict or relay the future outcome based on the past.

NHLBigFan

BTC haven't reached 128K yet. How could you buy at 128K?

HSuke

I was testing you. I had already marked you as a lazy incompetent MSTR and BTC maxi multiple times throughout the year. This was your final test to see if you could actually read critically or if you only read titles. I give up. You're beyond hope.

Clamanta_Durger

BTC at 200k in october confirmed \^\^

oneawesomewave

I asked a developer to develop a shitcoin for fun for me and a friend in 2014. Costed me 0,5 BTC. I thought it was worth the fun.

tklite

The BTC? Or the acid?

FriendsMade_MeDoIt

Crazy to see that shift happening, feels like my friends and I are still thinking about BTC the same way we did in 2021 while the big players are moving pieces like it’s a treasury asset. Makes you wonder how long it’ll take before the retail side catches on or if this just becomes background noise to institutional flows.

wavingwandsince1999

You've actually spotted the contradiction perfectly, and the answer reveals why timing the market is harder than it sounds, even when you "know" the cycle. The problem is execution, not logic. Cycles are visible in hindsight but fuzzy in real time. Nobody rings a bell at the top or bottom. If BTC drops to 55k, most people who sold at 76k are too scared to rebuy because "what if it goes to 40k?" And if it doesn't drop and goes to 120k instead, they've missed the move entirely. The people who are HODLing are not ignoring the cycle; they have simply calculated their own track record. Most retail traders who tried to time 2021 sold too early, bought back too late, or both. The ones who just held came out ahead of the ones who tried to be clever. Your IT systems analogy is actually perfect: cycles are like patterns in logs, clear after the fact, ambiguous while they're happening. DCA+Hold is the strategy that removes human error from the equation. Not exciting, but it works.

FriendsMade_MeDoIt

Kinda sounds like my situation, I got back in because a few friends started talking about it again. Most of them just stick to the usual ones like BTC and ETH and then maybe one or two others they personally like, nothing too crazy. From what I’ve seen, the people who keep it simple usually stress less. The ones chasing every new coin in the group chat are the ones always panicking lol. If you’re just getting back in, going with what you already understand isn’t a bad move. As for apps, a couple of my friends branched out later once they got more into it, but at the start we all just used whatever was easiest and familiar

Long_Tackle_6931

At $130 million I really don’t understand the point of holding the bitcoin. Does he really think it’ll be some new central currency? If it’s simply like gold, then just buy the BTC etf? Do you think people who got rich last 2 years in gold rally bought physical gold bars or gold etf

Revolutionary-Cup78

my recommendation is to invest not in specific crypto, but crypto categories instead. BTC (bitcoin) is the classic, if you don't want to over think it, just get some of that. When BTC prices moves, pretty much all of the crypto market follows anyway

Phantasizer

> Or perhaps I don't get well what is the problem you are referring to. Yes, I think you misunderstood me: I meant that if I am traveling or just spending time abroad, let’s say a few months, and I need a certain amount of local currency for daily use, if I use BTC, I will have to sell a certain (relatively large) amount of BTC, it is not practical to liquidate for example the equivalent of 500 US$ every month or every 2 weeks, or is it? So I guess I would have to liquidate a few thousand at a time, which is enough for a few months, but this means I have to safely store a few thousand US$ in the local currency, either in a hotel room or in a temporary place, which isn’t very safe. Whereas with a traditional account in fiat currency, I can just retrieve a few hundred at an ATM every time that it’s needed. And a credit card is relatively safe, if you’re smart (personally, in 15 years of living abroad at least 6 months every year, I never had money stolen. Only once my CC got cloned, but the bank caught it in time and I didn’t lose a cent. 

BlazingPalm

Same here- BTC (I don’t fool with crypto) properly managed is slow, methodical and boring. Or you can get worked up with daily price swings and do something unwise, usually breaking the original plan. Slow and steady, tortoise and hare. Let’s do this.

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Going big on a 40% drop feels tempting, but in 2026, the macro has changed. Capital isn't free anymore. While everyone is waiting for a BTC bounce, the Smart Money has already rotated into undervalued tech moats with 7%+ FCF yield. If you want to see the data on why this 'dip' might be part of a larger Great Rotation, search Google for 'Dollar Intel 2026 Wealth Manifesto'. Don't catch a falling knife without a margin of safety

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PERCEPTOR16

ATH for consecutive months BTC in red is what this is saying

ThreeTonChonker

Wars, market manipulation, Jane Street, etc. None of it BTC’s fault. None of the problems are even crypto related like past bear markets (FTX for example). Feels like a planned accumulation phase by market makers who are probably currently dumping their positions in gold. Here’s what makes sense to me: if I was a market maker and see BTC as the ultimate long term asset, I want to shake loose anyone on the fence before the price makes fence sitters rich enough to have an opinion. Wouldn’t be surprised if a switch is flipped with the SAVE act, new fed chair, Iran war ends when the US pulls out and Trump declares victory, maybe these FUD bots disappear off social media, and a few major players add BTC to their payment options. The infrastructure has slowly been added to platforms like PayPal with crypto on and off ramps to make this the quickest bear rugpull of all time. Unfortunately this is out of the hands of retail but retail has proven to be the most cowardly holders so it’s no surprise.

TheRicFlairDrip

Its a hedge against oil, higher electricity prices cause mining costs to spiral higher and thus need then to sell more BTC to cover their OPEX. I see short term bearish even during next epoch difficulty adjustment to further tighten mining hash.

megamegadork

It’s fun to understand and end around accumulate aroudn even then. I’ve added .15 BTC without spending a dime. Just people are FUNNY. I’m not the only one who sees it for what it is. Idk who “you people” is.

AnxiousSeason

I’d simply say that you can go in wisely. But hold back a piece just for the moment when BTC spikes down to 55 or something. But also consider smaller DCA now. This is the accumulating phase. So accumulate but slowly. Wait for the inevitable temporary dip.

Cnario

Do you know BTC?

Dominic669

Just ignore bro they don't want to educate them selves, They will just criticize you because the thing they know about BTC is "buy the dip"

mickalawl

The customers hold the ETF. Morgan Stanley dont own the BTC. I.e. they are in it for fees. And also can capture margin on customer buys and sells. So more middle man layers and value extraction which is the opposite of the original decentralised goal i guess. But since people are only in this for gambling speculation its better to let Morgan provide custody services to grandma. The whales will be seeking to next force these ETFs into 401k or something. Again opposite of freedom and decengralised but expected when the crypto echo system has been captured by billionaire tech bros that are part of the current corrupt admin. All true to its p3do roots though i guess?

MedicatedLibertine

I bought in last night at 96800. Happy with that. I plan on setting up a fortnightly BTC buy and get back into crypto.

TP_Crisis_2020

Yeah, every home I've ever bought (3), including the most recent one in 2018, have been VERY firm on only liquid assets being considered. I mentioned my BTC to the loan officer for the most recent one and he laughed at me like the Spiderman newspaper boss.

cubeeless

BTC to $400k!

econoDoge

I see Trumps ascent to power and reelection as a failure of the Democratic party and US Institutions in general ( eroded by money backed interests ) rather than a whole swat of the population being dupped overnight or showing their true colors, if you want to go deeper the current state of affair is a direct continuation of the civil war and a political/socioeconomical system that makes absolutley no sense for the current US population \*an experiment as they sometimes call it) , maybe it will take another 50-100 years but my money is on the US splitting along religious/economic lines. Alos let's not kid ourselves that Kamala was going to do any better for the crypto class, at best things would be the same, also if an asset class can't survive political and economical turmoil, does it even deserve to exist ? BTC is supposed to be digital GOLD ( which is up 50% ) and not shitting the bed scared.

TattooedCFO

I’m waiting personally until I see the result of the Clarity act legislation. That will either start an uptrend worth buying into, or result in a steeper discount to accumulate more economically. Either way BTC over time will appreciate, so long term any price in this range is very attractive if you plan to hodl long. Personal thesis is buy when it is valued at the full BTC level, sell when we value it by the Sat.

fringecar

It very much represents how the administration views fiat. My move? Increase my total portfolios share of BTC by 1%. So, not nothing, but we aren't talking a 5-10% jump.

NilNow

I love that the parents keep repeating that everyone got paid back 120% so nobody was hurt. When in actuality, victims were paid back at BTC=16k prices once BTC hit $100k. And others committed suicide before they saw any money back. I get that they have to do whatever they can for their son…but also, people did get hurt here on a massive scale.

Electrical-Cat-6660

The only thing you know for certain is what’s already happened….and BTC is currently sitting at a discount! Don’t wait for tomorrow as it may never come.

vertderp

Each dollar is also worth same dollar. Except you can buy less with each dollar.BTC also can buy less. What is your point?

xarips

I cant wait until Saylor owns the entire BTC supply

NHLBigFan

OP, did you know BTC was 60K in February?

SuddenSeasons

I am in the same boat as OP with about $1500 - I paid for Usenet with change I had left from buying drugs. Now I have the change from that  I'm someone who lost about 4-6 BTC to the feds during Silk Road. 

Cryptocaller

My “gambling brain” bought 5 BTC at $2500’ish per coin. You’re funny.

bbrout

We have a rising US dollar and a falling DOW. Also, the bond market looks weak. Perhaps people are losing faith in the American economy and don't think of treasuries as a safe haven. So, in a crisis everyone turns to the USD. And BTC drops a bit along with selling stocks. The gamble is all or nothing. Which appears to have the more stable future: USD or BTC? Just thinking out loud.

MoneyOptimal6395

When the money printer turns back on I bet many alts do very well against BTC.

DrSpeckles

If that is what you are interested in, yes. The OP is talking more about BTC as a replacement currency. That too has been decided, and it’s not good for BTC.

Commercial-Ad90

At this point BTC value is so tied in with institutionalization now that if I go down we all go down. No way cold holders get off Scot free if ETF collapse

Commercial-Ad90

If the US Government lets Fidelity collapse, along with my ETF and half of Americas retirement savings, I’m wishing I bough gold and guns, not BTC. I hope you or beneficiaries also don’t learn that cold wallets aren’t 100% risk proof either. The honest answer is we are both taking on risks, just different risks.

Additional-Channel21

I think part of it became more visible after BTC started being treated as a macro asset. When liquidity rotates between risk assets and defensive assets, sometimes BTC and gold temporarily diverge.

Commercial-Ad90

Yes, ETF storage has risks, but so does cold storage. I know in a perfect world people don’t lose wallets, and wallets don’t get destroyed, but it happens at an alarming rate. In a perfect world the US government doesn’t allow major financial firms Fidelity to collapse, and therefore my ETF, but I guess that could happen. TBH, if I’m preparing for that I’m probably looking for gold, not BTC. Everyone has to ask themselves which risk is higher to them. I want to make sure my funds don’t go to an abyss if something were to happen to me or my wife unexpectedly.

Commercial-Ad90

I agree with you. I don’t and I have never said I do. Just like a S&P 500 ETF share owner doesn’t hold 500 stock certificates of US companies, I don’t own any BTC directly. I have and will continue reap all the same rewards as a cold wallet holder, so I don’t mind the semantics. As long as the retirement is funded, the and the home is bought, everything worked out perfect. Plus I don’t want my wife (or kids if something happened to her too) kids trying to get into a cold wallet if something were to happen to me.

Additional-Channel21

I actually run something similar on crypto. I keep part of the portfolio in BTC while simultaneously holding some PAXG as a kind of cross-asset hedge since their intraday behaviour often diverges. It’s not a perfect hedge obviously, but it helps smooth some volatility during certain market phases.

Fritzbox5000

I'm undecided as well. I listened to both arguments and both seem plausible to a certain degree. If you increase the block size, transactions will get faster, but a node will increase in size as well. This increase will be so huge, according to BTC maximalists, that only large companies could afford to run such a big node, leading to centralisation. If you keep the block size, transactions become slow and you rely on L2 third party technologies like the Lightning Network to buy a coffee instantly, which also means centralisation. So Bitcoin itself becomes rather a store of value, the digital gold, rather than a P2P cash system. There are some upgrades like SegWit to improve transaction speed and still, it's a problem which cannot be solved without a second layer. I still tend to favour BTC over BCH since I don't see a big problem in using the Lightning Network similar to PayPal to do smaller transactions and use the main layer for bigger transactions. An increase of the block size and hence the reduction of verification nodes in the hands of big companies are a much bigger threat than the Lightning Network, because it would put the Proof of Work aspect in danger, at least imo. I don't think that an increase in Bitcoin above 21 million would ever happen. It is one of the flagship properties of Bitcoin and investors would immediately sell their Bitcoin if such news would even circulate. Yes, it is code which can be forked and in fact, BCH and BTV are actually hard forks, but the "original" BTC still exists, because the owners of BTC don't have any interest in such changes. It's still a difficult topic nonetheless.

SpontaneousDream

No definitely not on a CEX. I personally like Aave. And sure they might both be at roughly 50% of ATH against USD, but ETH is wayyy below its ATH against BTC

Commercial-Ad90

Because many people, include very trustworthy, influential people like Warren Buffett has cautioned against it. Thankfully, both the public and major financial firms have shown their gradual acceptance bitcoins value. That being said, no one knows the future. There could be some regulatory, governmental, or external factor that causes a bitcoin collapse, even though many people, including myself believe in bitcoin. So it’s not as simple as “why doesn’t just everybody put all their money in a super volatile when it drops a bunch because it always goes back up.” Bitcoin is only down 50% from is AHT. There’s been points where bitcoin has dropped 95% before rebounding so of course people are going to be cautious about how concentrated they keep there money in BTC.

EcstaticCell1511

Imo ignore the BTC purists that are all BTC in cold storage or nothing. There are many more people who lost their coins via mishandling via self custody vs centralized exchange collapses. The wild west days of MT GOX are over imo. Stick with FBTC or IBIT and you'll be fine.

ImoutoCompAlex

Yep. Took a 9k profit on my oil futures today. Will probably rotate back into BTC after it goes sub 60k to trade the bounce.

riscten

>bonus points if it’s in a tax deferred account and you could hold the keys to 1+ BTC in your own wallet Completely agree, but this doesn't exist yet.

iwakan

People need to understand that there is no fundamental difference between BTC and altcoins and anyone thinking otherwise is in a cult.

oopssomething

Aha where would you do such a thing, is it possible on a CEX? Also why would anyone want to buy ETH over BTC, they are both 50%'ish of ATH

InvestAISavvy

Max pain is $68K on tomorrow's expiry. Basically the price where the most options contracts expire worthless, costing buyers the most. It tends to act like a magnet into expiry because market makers who sold those contracts hedge in ways that push price toward that level. With $14B in open interest rolling off, that's about 40% of Deribit's total OI disappearing in one shot. Once it clears, the "pin" comes off and BTC can actually move directionally again. The real question is what happens Monday. We've got Fear & Greed at 13, $450M liquidated in the last 24 hours (mostly longs), ETFs posting $171M in outflows, and the April 6 Iran deadline hanging over everything. The Sacks departure just adds policy uncertainty on top of macro uncertainty. A lot of forced selling happening right now. Whether that's a setup for a relief bounce or more downside depends on whether funding rates flip negative over the weekend.

Commercial-Ad90

How many people actually exchange BTC directly for a good or service? 99% of wallet owners are sending it to an exchange for currency just like the EFT holders. At least The EFT holders don’t have to worry about them or their beneficiaries losing their wallet or getting scammed.

ys2020

Can you move the coins to your wallet from the ETF? Can you pay me with BTC from your etf? If the answer is no, then no, toi don't hold any Bitcoin. 

SpontaneousDream

You don't need much at all. Supply BTC, borrow ETH. Then sell ETH to buy more BTC. Then repeat as per your risk appetite

SpontaneousDream

Unless you held BTC only, you absolutely should have sold. ETH, XRP, and SOL are all decimated on the ratio against BTC. You **lost** money by holding them and by not buying BTC.

Wolverine1850

I wouldn't call myself a wholecoiner if I only own the equivalent of one Bitcoin in ETFs. That said, I don't think it matters too much and is up to persona preference. Yes, self custody is superior, but there are some people that should not be custodying their own BTC, sorry. Holding in a retirement account and letting Blackrock handle custody risk may be best. Before a bunch of you rage at me, are you seriously comfortable with your grandma holding one Bitcoin in self custody on a hardware wallet, exposing her to wrench attack risk? I'm much more comfortable with her holding IBIT in her Roth.

Badj83

I did exactly the same, OP. I’m in Canada, and this means any gains on my BTC will all be tax free, which I expect to be significant in 20years when I hopefully retire. I was a nyknycer before with Coldcard and all, but fuck that. It’s dozens of thousands of dollars I expect to save in the distant future. Don’t let gatekeepers shame you.

oopssomething

I dont have enough BTC to do that

TheresNoSecondBest

>But a cold wallet is just bitcoin on paper too right? Wrong, mate. >You still need to get it to an exchange before you can use convert it to something that can be traded to something of value. Here's how spending bitcoin IRL looks like: https://youtu.be/Tlhvnpi2ukA I'm using Bitcoin almost on a daily basis. Buying groceries, paying for meals, taxis, domains/hosting, VPN... Spend and replace is usually the name of the game so no, I'm not spending bitcoin while saving in cash. If you're thinking about spending some, here are my favorite directories: http://lightningnetworkstores.com/ https://btcmap.org - awesome map, you can even add your local vendors in, once you orangepill them. https://acceptlightning.com/list.html https://spend-sats.com/ https://spendabit.co/ https://directory.btcpayserver.org/ There's also an option of buying gift cards https://thebitcoincompany.com/ https://bitrefill.com https://www.egifter.com/buy-gift-cards-with-bitcoin - this one's least fave because they use a shitty custodian for payments but are handy for a few cards. Spend and earn some sats back: https://foldapp.com - save up to 20% Starbucks, Uber, Target , whole foods , Dunkin https://www.lolli.com – save up to 30% by spending BTC anywhere but primarily USA stores https://satsback.com/stores-list - save up to 20% by spending BTC anywhere but primarily Europe stores. >Ironically, you are much more likely to lose a personally owned coin through scams, getting lost Congrats, you and Celsius Founder Alex Mashinsky thinks like this.

FairBlamer

Dude you’re in the wrong here. The entire point of OP’s post is to transparently \*ask\* whether or not holding 1 BTC worth of IBIT is the same as “owning a bitcoin”. OP was abundantly clear in their language here: \>Finally purchased the \*\*equivalent of 1 coin\*\* via ETF.

SpontaneousDream

People need to understand that **altcoins have no bottom**. They will continue to bleed out against BTC for many years, as they have done so already. Maybe some do decently well against USD in the future, since USD is essentially an infinitely printed fiat shitcoin, but against BTC all altcoins get decimated over time. Seriously people if you're thinking of buying ANYTHING other than BTC, you need to look at the long term log chart of your coin/btc

SpontaneousDream

Shorting ETH against USD has been pretty easy money. Shorting ETH against BTC has been essentially free money for years on end.

Emergency_Scheme_670

Never. This is pretty dangerous when you think about it. ETF (like Blackrock's iShares) price tracks BTC but its not a hard peg like stablecoins. The relationship can be inverse at any point in time due to institutional risk, bad PR, regulatory action, liquidity crisis. Just look at ARKK, still hasn't recovered after 5 years. Stay away from ETFs.

Reasonable_Leg_4664

Technically you can have both. You can have an equivalent of a whole coin in ETF, bonus points if it’s in a tax deferred account and you could hold the keys to 1+ BTC in your own wallet. That would be best of both worlds. If you hold in the ETF for 10-20 years you’ll see the appreciation of Bitcoin and if you have one on chai. You can use it to loan against. The ETF can be treated illegal a normal but highly volatile asset and you can sell it as it grows.

wkndatbernardus

If someone can use an exchange like Coinbase to hold their coins, and is considered a wholecoiner, someone who invests in a spot ETF in the dollar amount of 1 BTC, is also one.

Ok-Mulberry5919

If its backed with BTC and has a delivery Option, Yes, you Are definetly.

UnboundFinance

Yes, to a degree. BTC often sets the tone for the whole market, so using BTC structure as context for SOL can make sense. But I wouldn’t trade SOL based on BTC alone. BTC can show the general direction, risk appetite and key market reactions, while SOL still needs its own levels, structure and relative strength/weakness analysis. So I’d treat BTC as the macro guide, not the full trading plan.

BeginningMost6014

Pragmatically, yes, you like I, own 1 BTC via the ETF. Technically we do not directly own BTC so from a purists standpoint, not our keys, not our BTC. Your question really comes down to semantics and perception - valid arguments can be made both ways.

gottimw

It is bullshit, that's what it is. How is this celebrated here?! BTC was meant to be alternative to all this shit. And now you are riding dick of the very system BTC meant to challenge. SHAME

LinusVPelt

2. Gold just dropped 15% in 10 days, so it's not the greatest example. Stocks do the same in recessions or market crashes, their drawdowns is smaller, but their appreciation is smaller too compared to BTC. Volatility it's a problem if it's only down, Bitcoin appreciated exponentially in the last 15 years compared to other assets classes, so it's normal that it corrects more when it does. But risk-on assets behaves all like this. The major fiat currencies have lower volatility, but they are inflated over the long-term, so the fact that they don't lose vs Bitcoin is just a short/medium-term, temporary perception. In your example, someone who needs BTC as a mean of payment doesn't buy it only when they have to use it, but DCAs into it and then uses it when needed. And - even if they want to buy just before using it for making a payment - nowadays they can use futures to hedge (this is a typical case for large purchase scheduled for a precise amount of time like the sum of a real estate), and something they can also do with DeFi futures now. In the circumstance in which they absolutely don't want to hold the asset in advance, they cannot hedge, but cannot transact without using BTC (eg: Iran the past days): that's the price they have to pay for transacting when no other assets allows them to do so. But again, they can avoid it in many ways. 3. With Bitcoin security is an issue, you are right. But there are ways to mitigate that risk. Further, you absolutely don't hold Bitcoin in person or in an apartment/hotel room, you just need to remember your passwords/phrases to access it. If you need to make small payments once in a while you use Bitcoin's Lightning Network or a stablecoin. It's not that you 'withdraw' sums of BTC when you need to use it, and there are Lightning providers now allowing you to pay in a seamless way directly from wallets. Or perhaps I don't get well what is the problem you are reffering to.

Hitachi22

Saylor is the only one buying. He'll announce on Monday that they bought more at $75k even though the price hasn't seen that all week. Whoever is selling them the BTC is ripping them off. 

Radio_Clean

Your portfolio is only worth less if you’re counting in dollars. Not if you’re counting in satoshis. 1BTC = 1BTC

MiguelLancaster

> Move it off Coinbase 1 btc $2400 not 2400 BTC

CompetitiveAppeal663

I have some BTC in an Unchained Trad IRA……I’m going to convert it to a Roth IRA….the less it is worth, the less tax I need to pay. You can bet your ass I want it to keep tanking!!

Additional-Channel21

That idea makes sense and a lot of traders do use BTC as a guide for the overall direction. But correlations in crypto are not always stable. Sometimes an alt like SOL moves with BTC, and sometimes it completely decouples and does its own thing. You’ll often see moments where BTC is sideways or even dropping while a specific alt starts running because of its own momentum. TRX is actually a good example of that sometimes — it doesn’t always move the same way as BTC.

JuxtaposeLife

Worth noting, about 65% of all BTC sits with the 1yr+ crowd.

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TheCodifiedTrader

Same exact thing happen to me only with XRP, I had totally forgotten about it, bought in 2017. Logged in cause I kept receiving those same notifications, it was nice pocket change, traded for \~$2000 BTC and withdrew USD.

JuxtaposeLife

Don't get too exited Bears... this move is thin on activity from those who actually move the market (detailed data from my node, live data) who is active today Bitcoin UTXO activity by age band 2026-03-27, 02:00 EDT to 14:00 EDT 75 blocks 560,076 UTXOs active 437,066.80 BTC active Activity by age band: <7d: 412,005.97 BTC (94.3%) 7–30d: 10,042.20 BTC (2.3%) 30–90d: 10,663.73 BTC (2.4%) 90–180d: 672.87 BTC (0.2%) 180d–1y: 2,227.38 BTC (0.5%) 1–1.5y: 181.08 BTC 1.5–2.5y: 396.19 BTC (0.1%) 2.5–4y: 240.66 BTC (0.1%) 4–8y: 333.55 BTC (0.1%) 8y–2012: 271.12 BTC (0.1%) 2009–2011: 0.05 BTC Most activity is coming from coins younger than 7 days, with smaller but visible participation from the 7–30 day and 30–90 day cohorts.

29da65cff1fa

>BTC is the best asset to hold. but what is the second best??? i was in the same boat as OP.... waiting for alt season... the best time to dump your alts was 5 years ago... the second best time is now