BTC

Hefty_Half8158

Bought in 2014 and left in a Blockchain.com wallet with all the details on my laptop. That laptop was stolen from my home in 2018 and it took a few days for the reality of what was lost to sink in (I hadn't thought about BTC for years). When it did I spent days trying to remember my Blockchain.com password and get back into the account. Luckily I managed and moved the BTC to a different wallet. Really made me think about how I secure my information!

Fluxweave

Same, me and a friend had a part of our BTC on there and we both withdrew before the bankruptcy - it was a gut feeling too. Im never doing yield again no matter the concept around it

txe4

You cannot escape owing CGT by law if you sell your BTC regardless of venue. You can PERHAPS escape discovery of tax fraud in the \*near\* future by selling elsewhere. In the more distant future, HMRC will contract with some third party who will use AI to track wallet addresses from exchange datafeeds to HMRC, find all the people who avoided tax and bum them. Expect the penalty for clear dishonesty to be absolutely eyewatering. You can borrow against your BTC. You can short BTC in a CFD if you can find a provider. You'll need collateral - potentially quite a lot of it if the price rises further. But when you close the CFD your gain/loss on it and the change in gain/loss on your owned BTC will match; it's effectively a sale at the price on the day you short it. If you have a spouse can you transfer BTC to them and use their CGT allowance (your base cost transfers to them as well) to sell some more. Advanced level, and what I actually did, is transfer your owned BTC to a futures exchange - Bitmex was good but is now closing, Binance works but don't think they take UK customers, Deribit may be an option - and short a far-out BTC future using your BTC as collateral. This has the same economic effect as a sale; you can't be margin-called as your BTC is the margin; when the future settles (or you close), your gain/loss on the future will match your gain/loss on the BTC. Your funds are at-risk on-exchange. Or you can expatriate. If you follow the rules and don't return to the UK then your tax residency ends when you leave the runway - you can literally mash the sell button from your seat on the plane. Better hope it doesn't divert to a UK airport or return due to a tech issue though :-)

dream_system_99

I mean that BTC price has always correlation with M2 money supply. when M2 money supply increase, BTC price go up. my question actually invite all BTC investor to examine their conviction, when M2 money supply increase but BTC price does not go up, will they still hold BTC and what other catalyst to make BTC price go up?

Maimu212

I would say, Dollar cost average into BTC and SPX6900, keep it clean and simple ✨

f2pool-CSR3

I was running a restaurant and sold all my BTC to pay the rent; afterwards, I was never able to buy back the same amount. My biggest regret ever.

quintavious_danilo

Actually the BlockFi bankruptcy. I withdraw my BTC like 2-3 weeks before the website shut down. Divine intervention.

dannyBitcoin21

Bitcoin and SPX6900 if you ask me…. this is coming from a BTC Maxi

quintavious_danilo

This might not help you directly right now, but I’ve been 100% invested in BTC since 2022. Do I have any regrets? Yes, that I didn’t buy more when the opportunity arose to get in below $20k. Is it risky? Yes, it’s a volatile asset, and I wouldn’t go "all-in" at an all-time high. But we’re currently far from the ATH; so if you get in now, there’s a strong chance your investment will never, or at most, only for a few months be in the red. I was lucky enough to time the 2022 bear market relatively well. Since then, I haven’t seen a single day of losses on my total investment. Sure, my most recent purchases fluctuate up and down with the market, but my overall holdings have consistently been in the green. My point is: this is a great time for such a major decision; you’re lucky that we’re currently at low levels. It’s a bit of a "now or never" situation. Good luck!

chainglance_cm

It doesn't matter which platform you sell on, HMRC taxes the disposal itself, not the exchange. So "which exchange" won't change your bill at all, and most major ones (Kraken included) now report to HMRC anyway so they'll know. Real legal ways to reduce it are... a) spread the sale across two tax years to use two £3,000 allowances instead of one. b) If you're married, transfer some BTC to your spouse first (tax free between spouses) and let them sell using their own allowance too, effectively doubles it to £6,000. c) Also check if you've got any losing positions elsewhere you can crystallize to offset the gain, and heads up that the 30 day rule kills any "sell and rebuy quickly" trick, HMRC will match it back to the same pool and ignore the disposal. Beyond that there isn't really a loophole. Crypto gains are treated exactly like shares now at 18/24% depending on your income. Worth looking into a tool like Bitcoin.Tax or Koinly. They make this way less painful since they tracks your cost basis and pools automatically instead of doing it by hand in a spreadsheet. But if you don't have a lot of transactions and diversified holding, you should be fine without one.

MarieSPX6900

Hi , I would like to recommend spx6900 if you want a real community like BTC in early stage. Check Mustopmurad on X and YouTube and study it. You won't regret looking at it.  It's not a meme it's a diamond handed community and we all DCA every day on spx no matter what for years. Our devise : Stop trading and believe in something 💹 🧲. Our goal : flip the sp500 

ProtectionHour5091

Well, posting here is a way to put an end to this challenge for folks that did dive in. I mean like we have 2 options: \-this is legit and u/robleregal send me what he stated was on the vault (20 BTC + another wallet) \-this is not legit and u/robleregal fooled a lot of people

suspicious_Jackfruit

No its 6.9 million BTC, ~35% - https://arxiv.org/html/2603.28846v1

LionRivr

US can control dollars. US cannot control BTC. Therefore BTC will not replace dollars. I still think BTC is the most ideal form of money. Humans need it. But deep down Humans don’t want it. They want control. BTC doesn’t let them control.

never_safe_for_life

Well there was a single exchange that listed them. A small startup that felt they could use the exposure. Then the BIP-110 guys harassed them because they refused to list it as BTC. They were so toxic the exchange decided to wipe their hands of the whole affair. So, I guess you can try to find an individual who'll trade with you directly LMAO. These clowns

YaAldrich

That makes sense. No need to force an entry when you’re not convinced yet. If BTC keeps ranging here, gradually averaging in sounds more reasonable than trying to time the perfect bottom. I’d probably do something similar and keep some cash aside in case we get another deeper pullback.

ubermensch1001

To be honest, man, I'm not really super excited about buying super heavily here. I want to see what plays out over the next month or so, might throw in half of these funds or just dollar cost average into BTC at a steady rate if we stay in this range.

iaspftbrmgcc

https://reddit.com/link/p9397ho/video/9wcwhsn5dtoh1/player Para minerar um Bitcoin completo por dia, você precisa de aproximadamente 2.000.000 TH/s de hashrate. Isso equivale a cerca de 3.555 Antminer S23 Hydros funcionando 24/7. Quase 19 megawatts de energia contínua. A maioria das pessoas ainda imagina a mineração de Bitcoin como um cara com um computador na garagem. A realidade: • Megawatts de energia. • Milhares de máquinas. • Infraestrutura em escala industrial. Tudo isso para produzir \~1 [$BTC](https://x.com/search?q=%24BTC&src=cashtag_click) por dia. FONTE [https://x.com/jackforyouf](https://x.com/jackforyouf)

iaspftbrmgcc

Para minerar um Bitcoin completo por dia, você precisa de aproximadamente 2.000.000 TH/s de hashrate. Isso equivale a cerca de 3.555 Antminer S23 Hydros funcionando 24/7. Quase 19 megawatts de energia contínua. A maioria das pessoas ainda imagina a mineração de Bitcoin como um cara com um computador na garagem. A realidade: • Megawatts de energia. • Milhares de máquinas. • Infraestrutura em escala industrial. Tudo isso para produzir \~1 [$BTC](https://x.com/search?q=%24BTC&src=cashtag_click) por dia. FONTE [https://x.com/jackforyouf](https://x.com/jackforyouf)

YaAldrich

At around $77–78k, I’d personally still keep BTC as the core position rather than go 100% into alts. You already did well accumulating in the $50–60k range, so there’s no reason to get too aggressive now. I’d rather keep most of the BTC and use a smaller portion for selective alt positions if the opportunities look good.

jimmytug

It doesn't get discussed because spending wisely and saving is just common sense. Owning Bitcoin should not be how anyone learns the value of investing and spending wisely. BTC has been and still is a high risk / high reward investment. I made money on it because I have owned since 2017 and am still holding. But it did not "change the way I look at spending" and it should not. The way you look at spending should be governed by simple common sense.

ubermensch1001

He isn't the only one, there were several other posters on here that were arguing with me about this. This was a reply I made to another poster more or less arguing with me about the same thing pertaining to buying ETH vs. ADA right now. "Let's say we go into 2027; the market is starting to get into a bullish environment and BTC is trading at 90k+. Let's say ETH at this point is trading at 4k, so a little over a 50% move from here. What do you think would happen with the rest of the alts? In this environment, do you see ADA at best matching ETH's performance by only being at 30 cents? Very short term price action is impossible to predict and pointless. For instance, in the fall of 2024 ADA was trading around 35 cents while ETH was at a similar price to where we are currently, about $2400. After the 2024 election hype ADA traded as high as $1.30 while ETH peaked at about 4k. I'll use XLM as an example from that same time period. Right before the election it was trading around 10 cents and then climbed above 50 cents at it's peak, so a 5x. A weak example would be LTC, it was around $65 and peaked at a little over $100 in this same time period. Another one is Bcash, both of these had very little price movement for years leading up to this, at least relative to the rest of the alts out there. The whole point is that when we do get bullish phases with alts, ETH leads and many of the alts with smaller market caps will OUTPERFORM it. IF someone were looking to do this, they need to be able to identify the correct time to be buying. I'm not saying people should do this, the point is that when ETH pops hard relative to BTC the broader alt coin market follows along even stronger. It has nothing to do with fundamentals of the coin lol. If you aren't aware, virtually all alts, including ETH, are primarily driven by hype and speculation. Picking the horse that runs the fastest is honestly going to come down to luck. What is NOT luck is identifying when these alts are low and where they could be making large gains for profit. What you are seeing now is NOT a bullish phase in the market, it's a bear market rally. This is not the same as the Q1 2024 ETF pump, the Q4 election pump or the spring 2021 alt season. When this occurs again, and it will, you will see what I'm describing here play out."

human_oil77

I think the most used chains have a chance, since they have real world use, revenue generation etc. That's the bottom line. They're treated like companies now with backers, vc etc... so look for the coins with the best product and funding. They'll survive. Same as the TRON's and XRP's of the old days still alive.... IMO I like , ENA, XPL, SUI, HYPE (not in any order as they all kind of touch on different future areas.) So in short the bets for Sui lets say working on A.I agentic scaling blockchain and finance tools, will be different than the market XPL is going after with their set of everyday neo banking products etc. I personally think XPL and ENA are primed and in great real world markets with actual products, and low marketcap relative to those products and their utilities. HYPE is ... well hyped... and Sui is awesome team and tech, but yet to find their product market fit, or accelerate their unlocks to get rid of their shit tokenomics. Keep an eye out on their october Sui basecamp for updates... But hey, Final word is this ... if BTC crashes to 50k , none of these thesis will matter. If BTC stays relatively strong however, then yes, give the next 1-3 year bull market a chance to sort out these technologies and winners. Alot of their success is almost irrelevant to how much money is in BTC anyways.

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New-Plastic9879

BTC will drop like everything else when the margin calls come.

Fiat128sl

Not crazy at all… just redrew on our mortgage to buy more BTC. Benefit of redrawing on the mortgage (in Aus) is that the interest on that portion of the loan is tax deductible as it’s an investment, problem with being in Aus is that when we sell to pay off the mortgage we’ll donate 47% (of the profits) back to the govt 🥴

No_Champion2428

Just go into BTC if you are a first timer

adsus4

Always go for BTC and ETH.

KREIJO

People are almost priced out of buying one percent of a BTC. Eventually people will wish they bought one percent when they could. It’s never too late to buy in. $pep will be volatile. If you look into it it’s really cool. Community is dope and reminds me a little of early Doge. Hold that for a very long time and if it works out you’ll be very glad you did. Same goes with whatever else you buy

Kevory

Oh no! It's just your anecdotal evidence against mine! Except for the fact that 33%+ of entire BTC supply hasn't changed wallets in 5+ years. Either you only know scammers or you're lying. Good thing we can verify that onchain!

kshucker

Brother, investing in crypto is not for the faint of heart. The space is rife with scams that you can easily fall victim to without even knowing it. You probably already have a bunch of DM’s claiming to be support simply from the comment I’m replying to. Crypto is self custody. This means you are in control all of your crypto assets and where they go. If you fall victim to a scam whether or not you know it, it’s gone. There is no getting it back. Getting a really good grasp on how crypto works takes years of learning with mistakes along the way. If you just plan on buying and parking your BTC, that’s cool, but be aware that the ups and downs of crypto are insane to conventional investing. Your $4,000 might turn into $1,000 or it might turn into $10,000. It can happen in a blink of an eye and you may panic. My best advice to you is that I hope the $4k you invested is money you’re ok with physically burning. Invest money into crypto that you’re already ok with losing. That’s the mindset you should have because when the market tanks, it **fucking** tanks.

SPX6900Maverick

75% BTC, 25% movement coin like spx6900 for some excitement

faisal_yk26

Nobody's asked the actual question: is that $100 a week money you can afford not to see for a few years? Coming out of the mines with irregular income that matters way more than which coin. A first timer who buys BTC with money they need in eight months still sells at the worst moment, and then the coin choice was irrelevant. If it's genuinely spare, weekly buys into BTC and ETH is the boring right answer and you can ignore most of this thread.

DimeCandie

The Big Three BTC SOL ETH - also HYPE

BronxCrypto

My two are BTC and SPX (SPX6900). My crypto portfolio are mostly those 2. Study both before buying though.

magus-21

"Keep it basic" means putting it into VTI, not a shitcoin like BTC or ETH.

GreedVault

BTC AND ETH. nothing else

NoBrosCrypto

BTC and ETH are the two to stick with. I would advise against 2 years, you’d likely want longer to get the real upside BUT if your aim is for a trade then you’ve timed it well and you ‘should’ do well on a 2 year horizon as you’re catching the tail end of the bear market. I say should as nobody can predict the future. Re BTC mining - unless you’re hobby mining or have access to cheap electricity it’s probably not worth it.

Salty-Technician-633

The dividend is watching your BTC stack grow

KREIJO

Pro tip. Don’t. If your opinion is to hold for two years you’ll either make a little and get out or be stuck holding a bag. Either crypto is the future or it isn’t. Throw in what’s your okay to loose and hold it for 10 - 20 years. If it works out you’ll be rich. I’m holding BTC, SOL, DOGE, BCH, Zcash, and $pep. Good luck!

Joris119

BTC is high but not on a ath. If BTC crashes almost every other crypto currency does as well. If you're not in for that risk at the moment wait for it to come down

Next-Ant111

If BTC dips everything else will tank twice as hard at least If your argument is you don't want to buy BTC because you think it's just had a run and might correct, you're taking a much larger risk investing in any other asset that always follows it and corrects harder

NeonMaxi

I’d get some BTC or if you want to get active in DeFi get some ETH

Specialist_Top_8480

For a 5 to 7 year hold I’d keep it pretty boring personally and lean much more toward BTC or ETH than trying to find some tiny coin that might 50x. The shorter-term stuff is a completely different question. I’ve had a few small Moon experiments running lately just to test different market scenarios but I wouldn’t mix that mindset with a long term portfolio. For something you want to forget about for years, simplicity probably wins.

Left-Shower5497

Feels like BTC has been giving people just enough movement to keep everyone guessing without really committing either way. I’ve been running a few small directional tests through Moon's play money mode around these levels, mostly to see how different setups behave when the market gets this indecisive. At this point I’d rather wait for a convincing move than draw another ten lines on the chart and convince myself I’ve found something.

Effective_Engine319

What percent of your daily spending is in BTC on this trip?

Bred_Slippy

Part of the whitehat's issue was Liquid not backing the BTC properly 1:1. Think it's highlighted an important issue with some L2s. Lightning doesn't have this backing problem. 

Cannister7

Clearly they don't mean that *the website which says hidden BTC* exists, doesn't exist. They mean that the *hidden BTC which the website says exists* doesn't exist. For the record, I think it probably does exist, but you **are** stupid if you can't see the difference between those two statements and are going on any Schrodinger's Reddit, or whatever.

Pale-Perspective5434

That 25% swing is rough, especially when the BTC/USD chart looks fine but your actual buying power took a hit I just stopped checking the USD price and track it against a basket of my own expenses instead, rent and groceries don't care what the dollar does

Objective_Basil_8414

Good call flagging BIP 361 — it's the most concrete framing of the tradeoffs anyone has put on paper. My hesitation with "quantum-proof then do nothing" is that new address types only protect coins that get moved. The \~7M BTC with exposed pubkeys don't benefit from any upgrade unless someone with the keys spends from them, and a large chunk of those keys are gone forever.

Random_Person_246810

I’ve got a 20 year time horizon before I start borrowing against my BTC, so nah.

Cryptizard

I really hope you don't have a big bag in BTC when you don't have any idea how it works.

Cryptizard

Pro tip: BTC doesn't run on RSA, and RSA is significantly harder to break than what BTC uses (ECDSA).

TheresNoSecondBest

>So pick one: Do nothing. If Q-Day comes, those coins get taken. Not your keys, not your coins. Freeze vulnerable coins by consensus before it happens. Saves 7M BTC, but Bitcoin has now proven it can freeze coins. Burn them. Same objection, plus the supply drops permanently. Hard deadline to move, loudly announced for years, then freeze whatever is left. 5. [Hourglass](https://delvingbitcoin.org/t/hourglass-v2-update/2246)

Hot_Arm3894

Waiting for all 4 engines to align is definitely like waiting for a perfect storm, but that's the exact core value of this service. We engineered the algorithm to be ultra-selective to shield traders from over-trading and protect their capital during choppy, emotional market phases. It's built to act as a systematic filter. The altcoin capitulation tracker has been the backbone of our protocol. Most retail tools ignore what the altcoin crowd is doing, but we found that tracking their panic-selling is the most reliable proxy to pinpoint exactly when institutions are quietly absorbing BTC liquidity \[Binance, Blockchain Center\]. The stablecoin inflow metric is a brilliant technical suggestion, by the way. Integrating that "quiet tell" before capital deployment is definitely on our corporate roadmap for the next infrastructure update. Thanks for the solid feedback!

Active_Monitor_6925

Seems like the only cryptos with promise are BTC, SOL, XRP and ETH. Everything else is either a scam or useless.

CrustyBus77

Accountability? We don't do that anymore. I think the reason BTC didn't go up when he mentioned giving everyone $5000 is because the market understands that there is a close to zero % chance of it happening.

Reasonable-Two-3608

Are you sure about point 2 ??? The mining protocol and thus its inflation should follow the one of BTC.

Hot_Arm3894

Hey everyone, thanks for the feedback, based on your suggestions and the massive ETF/institutional shifts, I completely pivoted the script. I dropped the general altcoin rotation and focused 100% on a Pure BTC Accumulation model. It filters out retail noise much better. Just launched a reports channel today!

Physics2234

BTC was stolen by AI era

bemyantimatter

I purchased it on an exchange and was sending it to a hardware wallet. I wasn't keeping it on the exchange. How else can I exchange USD for BTC?

ProtectionHour5091

Dear u/robleregal, [I jumped on your vault about the 20 BTC challenge you created, but the vault is empty and](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wcc3kx/roble_regals_20_btc_trading_handbook_challenge_is/) now, I am still waiting for you to send me the 20 BTC and the second wallet you advertised about.

No-Masterpiece2246

and then BTC crashes and you lose your house AND your BTC 🤣

Cryptocaller

“In case you didn’t know” “If you understand how, study up on BTC” Oh, shut up already.

Pleasant_Maybe_5523

For 5–7 years I’d honestly keep it pretty boring. Mostly BTC, maybe some ETH. I’ve seen enough altcoins disappear after a cycle to not bet too heavily on them long term.

Detailed23

When the S&P tanks, BTC usually does right beside it. Not surprising since mostly institutions and governments own BTC.

JoJopama

Exactly. If you want a optional privacy coin that has longevity, cheap transactions, and had no premine; go with #LTC. The founder bought his own coin and later sold what he bought to not be accused of it being centralized. LTC has been operational for fifteen years. I’ve personally been using it since 2016 without a single problem. If you want a non-optional privacy coin get #XMR by swapping for it with #LTC or #BTC. 

olive_oil_lover_

Here's what will happen: 1. Warren Buffett makes a lot of money. 2. I buy more BTC.

Typical_Result_8962

Only one, sorry. Sold all my BTC, maybe I’ll buy back a little one day, but definitely have more confidence in stocks and regulations.

BlazingPalm

Link? Curious on details about how public they were, how did police know there was a cold wallet involved. Is it possible BTC was not the main reason for this tragedy? Going further, to help protect against theft, multisig with off-site location or single sig with moderate amount in wallet and main stack in passphrase. Can even keep a 2nd passphrase with bigger stack than primary wallet so it looks like they got both when in reality they only got like \~10-20% of your holdings. Don’t try to be a hero, give attackers the honeypot. Goal at that point is to stay alive and stack another day.

panthera_3000

That is known as "tuition", after paying it, you can take the time to learn more and become a Bitcoin maximalist, allocating 100% of your subsequent investments to Bitcoin, or perhaps 70% to BTC and 30% to "tuition" for other projects. 🤣

Temporary-Cause730

Wtf i BDAG??? Invest in BTC, HYPE, ETH, SOL, stop buying these random craps.

ForLoveFell

Selling 1 BTC in cash to a stranger in 2026 without an escrow or OTC desk is asking for a wrench attack or civil asset forfeiture. If OP wants fiat legally without getting flagged by banks, an established OTC desk with legal proof of early wallet ownership is the safest path

Temporary-Cause730

And the weirdest thing is that you can actually love both! These Monero shills think that you can only have one coin in your portfolio, it's so bizarre. I have a lot of ZEC, but I also have XMR, because I believe the privacy narrative will be profitable in the next few months/years. I also have BTC, HYPE, ETH and SOL, four different L1s.

These_Application531

I would never speak about BTC in public

palmdata

933 EH/s and ~127.45T difficulty is the part most home miners miss: the box can be healthy and still earn less next retarget. At ~$37/PH/day, a 200 TH machine is only roughly $7.40 gross/day before power, pool fee, downtime and rejects. I’d budget from the low case, not the headline BTC price.

treatmelikeawhat

again, you don’t understand how alt seasons work. demonstrably proven that it’s better holding ETH til it’s at least approaching ATH again, and then rotating into alts. again, when pointed out to you that everything else bounced higher during BTC’s leg up, you ignored it because it doesn’t fit your false narrative. so continue teaching incorrectly from your soap box.

palmdata

1 rule for a mining payout: don’t let the power bill depend on one exchange. I keep a small BTC buffer for ops, then sell in batches after the pool payout clears and the tx has confirmations; test a small amount first and check withdrawal/hold limits before moving a larger payout. A frozen compliance review during a power-bill week is the real failure mode.

ubermensch1001

Yeah, man, I've been in this space since 2018, BTC is the only thing I'm still holding from way back then. Going into the bull market of spring 2021 I had large bags in ETH, LTC and Bcash. ETH I continued to hold until early 2024 when I converted it into BTC after months of thinking about it lol. LTC and Bcash I exited a very long time ago, they were bags I bought on robinhood in late 2020 that I rode into huge profits in 2021. My average on LTC was $40 and it peaked at $400 that year and for bcash my average was $200 and it peaked at $1400. 80% BTC right now but have large holdings in ETH and ADA. ETH I bought heavily last spring when it's pairing to BTC was under .02 and ADA I've been buying heavily whenever it was under 30 cents. Scooped some up with the lows here earlier in the summer but mostly just been buying BTC this year. This stack of cash I have in reserve is going to be my last big move for a while so I want to spend a lot of time weighing my options.

LongDaysPleasntNites

I do not think it’s crazy. For me there was a direct correlation between my education on the topic and how convicted I became. As a result my allocation to BTC within my portfolio grew substantially. I’m a believer that concentration is what builds wealth and that diversification protects what you already have. Since I’m in the “building” phase I’m heavily concentrated. In the end I think this plays out in one of two ways - purchasing power increases exponentially OR BTC goes to zero. The chances of the latter is extremely low IMO. In the end you have to live w your decisions educate yourself, sit with the information and make the choice you think is best for you and your family.

Forded_Fiction24

Must been doing something wrong to feel like that. My stock holdings significantly outperform Bitcoin in the short term during bear markets. I've had a stock portfolio since 2010 and held BTC since 2017. They both have their place in my portfolio.  Diversification has its advantages and I wouldn't own near as much Bitcoin as I do if I had only invested in Bitcoin ironically. It's very easy to take incremental profits, pay Uncle Sam and rotate those profits into Bitcoin for the long haul. If you're not doing this then you're doing it wrong in the first place

Due_Ice3961

In my view, now remains a time worth paying attention to BTC and considering a phased entry strategy Many people see that BTC has rebounded significantly from its lows and assume it is already too late to buy. However, looking at it from a different perspective, what truly matters isn't the extent of the price rise so far, but whether the current price remains attractive relative to future potential and risk BTC previously pulled back to the $50,000 range before gradually rebounding by over $20,000. This price action demonstrates clear buying support at lower levels. Although BTC recently touched the $80,000 mark and has since pulled back slightly, the market structure has shifted away from the extreme pessimism seen earlier Therefore, if you believe in the long-term value of BTC, the priority shouldn't be obsessing over whether you've caught the absolute bottom, but rather managing your position effectively Don't aim to buy everything at the lowest point in a single trade, and don't let a small rally trigger a fear of missing out (FOMO). Consider entering in batches to retain sufficient cash and flexibility. Markets never rise in a straight line as we might expect; fluctuations of 10%, 20%, or even more along the way are entirely normal Ultimately, your ability to profit depends less on the precision of your entry and more on your ability to control greed and fear It is about having the courage to build a position at low levels and knowing when to take profits after a rise; it means avoiding blind chases during market frenzies and resisting the urge to panic-sell during pullbacks Opportunities in BTC are always present, but opportunity does not guarantee profit. Only by managing position sizes, lowering leverage, adhering to strict take-profit and stop-loss disciplines, and avoiding betting your entire capital on a single market move can you truly turn market volatility into your own gains

DontLook_Weirdo

No notes, but if I did write any relating to BTC, I would do it in a notebook or my note app

MooseLoot

I stand by my tried and true: 1) get enough BTC that if the sub is right, you’ll be set 2) house 3) enough stonks that if this sub is not right, you’ll be set 4) more BTC Why go all in when you don’t have to? Devote the most resources to plan A… but have a plan B unless you can’t afford to. Also, FWIW, minor inflation (aka not the 70s era levels) won’t ruin stocks. Stocks get bad when yields on bonds become too attractive but I don’t see Trump’s fed raising rates too too much.

ubermensch1001

This totally makes sense and is something I've considered. However, I already have a lot of money in alts as is, thus why I lean more towards BTC. I'm honestly not super excited about buying heavily at these prices, want to wait and see if we get a big sell off over the next few weeks.

ubermensch1001

Bro, I'm talking about right here and right fucking now with ADA. The guy has these coins locked in at the time we are writing on here. Let's say we go into 2027; the market is starting to get into a bullish environment and BTC is trading at 90k+. Let's say ETH at this point is trading at 4k, so a little over a 50% move from here. What do you think would happen with the rest of the alts? In this environment, do you see ADA at best matching ETH's performance by only being at 30 cents? Very short term price action is impossible to predict and pointless. For instance, in the fall of 2024 ADA was trading around 35 cents while ETH was at a similar price to where we are currently, about $2400. After the 2024 election hype ADA traded as high as $1.30 while ETH peaked at about 4k. I'll use XLM as an example from that same time period. Right before the election it was trading around 10 cents and then climbed above 50 cents at it's peak, so a 5x. A weak example would be LTC, it was around $65 and peaked at a little over $100 in this same time period. Another one is Bcash, both of these had very little price movement for years leading up to this, at least relative to the rest of the alts out there. The whole point is that when we do get bullish phases with alts, ETH leads and many of the alts with smaller market caps will OUTPERFORM it. IF someone were looking to do this, they need to be able to identify the correct time to be buying. I'm not saying people should do this, the point is that when ETH pops hard relative to BTC the broader alt coin market follows along even stronger. It has nothing to do with fundamentals of the coin lol. If you aren't aware, virtually all alts, including ETH, are primarily driven by hype and speculation. Picking the horse that runs the fastest is honestly going to come down to luck. What is NOT luck is identifying when these alts are low and where they could be making large gains for profit.

CrustyBus77

I would have guessed that the promise of $5000 stimmies would have caused BTC to rally. If that orange bastard actually goes through with it, the US economy is fucked, but BTC will boom.

MikeWaz65

If I had $20K to put into crypto, I’d personally lean more toward altcoins than Bitcoin. Bitcoin is obviously the king of the market, but with the price where it is, it just doesn’t feel like the best way for me to stack crypto and chase higher upside. I’d rather spread that $20K across a few solid altcoins with strong fundamentals and use the lower entry prices to build larger positions. Obviously, that comes with more risk and volatility than BTC, so I’d diversify rather than bet everything on one coin. Now this is just my thought; everyone should do what they feel is best. Since I do not have the money to buy a whole Bitcoin, spending 20K and getting about a quarter of a Bitcoin just does not excite me. However, taking that same 20K and spreading it over several promising altcoins like HBAR, Stellar, and XRP seems like a better move. But like I said, this is just my thinking on this. For me, it’s less about how many dollars of Bitcoin I can buy and more about finding projects where I think the risk/reward is attractive.

No_Bid917

I think the percentage matters less than whether you understand what that allocation does to the risk of the whole portfolio. A 20% crypto sleeve can end up driving most of the volatility even if the remaining 80% is pretty diversified. I’ve occasionally checked that balance in Moon just to see how different BTC drawdowns change the overall picture. If you can sit through the downside without needing to sell, a higher allocation can make sense but I’d rather decide that from risk tolerance than from how bullish I feel today.

ubermensch1001

2024-2025 we never had an alt season. However, in an environment like in the spring of 2021 EVEYTHING pumps hard when a wave of liquidity enters in with FOMO and euphoria. LTC in the spring of 2021 trading above $400, it's highs from 2017. I'm not saying to buy LTC, but the point is that everything does this under this types of market conditions. If you can spot when it's a good time to buy alts you can make moves. With this particular thread, you could buy ADA around 20 cents and hold this for a period of time. When the market has some sort of euphoria, which eventually will happen, you can bet this will pump. We can speculate all day as to what this could do, but buying at this point IF you wanted to would be solid. In my honest opinion, alts collectively are for speculative moves and swing trading, including ETH. They should only be touched when looking at it with this lens AND with the goal to swing trade this for profits. If you can identify when it is the correct time to be buying them you'll do well. For instance, I didn't touch ETH at all in 2022-2024 because it's pairing to BTC was still strong. However, in the spring of 2025 it dropped under .02 to BTC, it's cycle lows with it's BTC pairing that go all the way back to late 2019. I made a lump sum purchase here. Now, I could have been buying ETH at a similar price in the 2nd half of 2022, but it's pairing to BTC at the time was ABOVE .05. If I had bought ETH at the time I would have watched this slowly bleed compared to BTC over those years. For instance, 10 ETH bought at 1.2k in late 2022 could have bought me roughly .75 BTC. That 10 ETH in the spring of 2025 would have been only worth .2 BTC. Most people don't understand this, which is why they either get wrecked by buying alts at high $ valuation OR where they would have made better gains just buying BTC instead.

treatmelikeawhat

ffs we all understand. you dont understand. In the time it takes you waiting for another 2x, you could have better returns NOW elsewhere. You might be waiting half a year while other things are outpacing ADA. ever heard of opportunity cost? they brought up how ETH and SOL bounced much higher on BTC’s recent leg but you ignored that. having BS flawed logic like “2x from here” is why crypto holders lose money holding bags. where is the greatest return NOW. cycling smaller gains multiple times works out better in the end

Objective_Basil_8414

The top comment asking "enough for what" is doing the real work here. A fixed BTC number is a strange unit for this question, because the same 0.1 means something completely different at different prices, and it tells you nothing about the thing that actually decides outcomes, which is whether you can keep holding it. Age is also a proxy for the wrong variable. Two people the same age with identical balances are in totally different positions if one has stable income and a cash buffer and the other doesn't, because only one of them can sit through a long ugly drawdown without being forced to sell into it. I'm not going to throw out a number since that depends entirely on your own situation, but "how much could I hold through a multi-year bad stretch without touching it" is a question you can actually answer, unlike "how much is enough".

Objective_Basil_8414

The uncomfortable part is that "instant" and "without giving up control" can't really coexist. The moment coins leave your wallet for a swap service you are custodial for the duration, you just don't get the disclosures or the recourse a regulated venue would owe you. That's exactly why orders get frozen: those services still carry AML exposure, so the screening happens after they already hold your BTC. eXch closing didn't remove a safe option, it removed one that hadn't been squeezed yet. Since you're mining, the more durable setup is usually a boring one: keep one KYC venue purely as a pass-through for the portion you need to sell, move fiat out the same day, and never let a balance sit there. Your custody risk then lasts hours instead of months, and everything you actually intend to hold never touches it. If you want to stay non-KYC, RoboSats or Bisq over Lightning is far faster than the old P2P experience you're comparing against.

KnowYourKrypto

Zcash is not BTC. If anyone believes that they have made good money, just exit. There are reports that this high is cosmetic. 

colemusic1

You said this is the main issue with bitcoin today, I’m speaking on that and not about this person. The same analogy could be applied to literally anything if you frame it that way. You could say that banks are an issue because someone sent OP an email saying it’s been compromised and he needs to login and change his password. So it’s not bitcoin specific, the point I was making is that scammers target crypto because it’s significantly easier to trick people into human error, whereas buying BTC through brokerage platforms doesn’t require: \- custodial risk \- human error \- seed phrases \- phishing links for liquid staking So yeah, OP is obviously stupid, but the framing in your comment should be “OP is far away”, not “BTC is far away”. Wall Street didn’t exactly look at a $70B+ funded BTC asset and think that’s small.

Lans_boi

Who can help me sell 12 BTC

dream_system_99

if those scenario happened, so investor is gambling, speculating. they invest or trade BTC without conviction.  In the market, there is unique bias, namely self fulfilling prophecy--the price goes up because many investors or traders believe that price will go up.

dream_system_99

the price will go up if there are many investors buy BTC, not sell BTC

True-Lychee

There's no evidence he has sold his personal BTC stack.

colemusic1

That’s because there **literally is a way to buy it and hold it safely.** IBIT exists for a reason, and owns more than 60% of all BTC ETF assets. So you can literally open a brokerage account on IBKR, buy some IBIT and never have to worry about being scammed, custodial risk or literally anything that this kind of shit can cause. That’s why IBIT is pulling in 30M - 50M of daily trading volume and that’s genuinely enormous