BTC

Notoriousrb

Not a ponzi in the traditional sense due to security laws. But definitely ponzi-like with a pyramid structure. He cannot keep buying without new money. Mstr generates zero income. They actually lose money. If BTC does not keep going up indefinitely they are fucked. He's almost already below average cost basis.

Happy_Discussion_536

You'd have to believe halving is totally broken for the bear thesis to be correct. If BTC literally does nothing in 4-5 years sure they'd have to sell. Hence it is a levered bet on BTC. But really dumb regards act like it's a ponzi or definitely going to blow up.

Happy_Discussion_536

If BTC literally does nothing in 4-5 years sure they'd have to sell. Hence it is a levered bet on BTC. But really dumb regards act like it's a ponzi or definitely going to blow up.

Important_Ad7149

BTC survived and thrived before Saylor and will do after him as well. This isn’t your average $100 BTC buys. What’s available BTC on exchanges are very limited compared to total supply so yes he cannot buy just like you and me without raising the price

Notoriousrb

And if it doesn't? They have to dilute which they can't when mnav is less than 1. So forced to sell BTC?

Happy_Discussion_536

I literally said it? Converts have super long duration and they turn into shares only when BTC performs extremely well.

Notoriousrb

Yes. He needs to pump the BTC price so his share price doesn't tank. The only way he can keep doing is to infinitely dilute. Eventually he can't and Saylor is cooked.

TemporaryGap8488

BTC is Halal. To the moon!

outoftownMD

Possibly What’s more likely since I know some of them, is they bought and had a good pretty good sense of when the peaks were ending and then they would buy back at a lower price. They were really good at that especially early on. They were really good at not buying to hope. They were also first access to many ICO that would then pump that they would then sell from that currency back into ETH or BTC. So they didn’t have to touch any of their stacks, and in fact accumulated a lot more.

PapiMak

Go 80/20 on BTC/ETH and just dca for a few years and forget about it, treat it like a savings account.

Fun_Equivalent8716

Don't put money into DOGE and shit like that, it's a meme coin. Put it into BTC instead.

XLinkJoker

Gonna be apprioximately .21 BTC in 2030.

iwakan

Your own chart shows ETH doing pretty well against BTC in the long run. Up more than 10x vs BTC since its inception ten years ago (because your chart is actually wrong, the ratio was 0.0023 this day in 2015, not 0.008). If you want to make extraordinary claims like "alt/btc bleeding being the only guarantee in crypto" you better actually provide some evidence, which whatever you posted certainly falls short of being.

Steezy_Steve1990

It makes 100% sense. These people don’t think on days, weeks, months. They think about years and decades. If BTC keeps appreciating in value longterm then the borrowed fiat that devalues due to money printing will become worth less and BTC will become worth more. Also, you misunderstood what I said. They will give you money using your Bitcoin as collateral.

crypto_enjoyer88

Hi guys, want to get 50 euros worth of btc? Use this code on Bitvavo: B283F41654 would be really appreciated im gonna get a bonus and you will get 50 euros in BTC. You just need to open an account and verify yourself.

Steezy_Steve1990

He is creating a Bitcoin bank. Bitcoin isn’t going anywhere and if you zoom out you’ll see that everyone who has held BTC for more than two years is in profit throughout the history of Bitcoin.

Aazimoxx

That makes no sense though, since if you're implying that spending fiat doesn't carry the same 'problem', you're ignoring the possibility of spending that fiat to buy BTC instead 🤷

Kontrav3rsi

The real question, why is someone moving 30k BTC unless to sell it?

bbqyak

Nothing like the morning BTC dump to start your morning with a hot cup of coffee

imfuckinglying2u

ETH is not a shitcoin. ETH is *the* shitcoin. Daily cope here and at r/ethereum are hilarious. If crypto somehow survives, it will be through BTC.

biba8163

Remember ETH Maxis made a site mocking Saylor for buying BTC over ETH and even created a site to expose his foolishness... > MICROSTRATEGY (MSTR) BTC HOLDINGS $ 2.679 billion > IF THEY HAD BOUGHT ETH INSTEAD, THEY WOULD NOW HAVE $ 5.596 billion https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/ylroaa/what_if_microstrategy_had_brought_eth_instead/ ...and they started looking really stupid > MICROSTRATEGY (MSTR) BTC HOLDINGS Invested: $ 30.360 billion, currently worth: $ 45.652 billion (50 %) **(2025)** > IF THEY HAD BOUGHT ETH INSTEAD, THEY WOULD NOW HAVE $ 31.455 billion (4 %) https://web.archive.org/web/20250221180630/https://www.blockchaincenter.net/en/there-is-no-second-best/ So that Website now directs to a site that tracks MSTR buys/holdings lol

Alex-Man

I have almost completed my building with these 2 percent loans. I am not sure yet whether I should repay them or sell BTC.

Femto87

If you are willing to take out that loan, and you can comfortably afford to pay it back, go ahead and buy if you believe in BTC. 10 years can be a period where you can get great returns if BTC keeps growing

Mysterious_Most9667

Congratulations! Keep on buying and hodling! Never sell BTC!

b1mm3rl1f3

Bernstein: "In view of recent market correction, we believe, t**he Bitcoin cycle has broken the 4-year pattern** (cycle peaking every 4 years) and is now in an elongated bull-cycle with more sticky institutional buying offsetting any retail panic selling. Despite a \~30% Bitcoin correction, we have seen less than 5% outflows via ETFs. We are moving our 2026E Bitcoin price target to $150,000, with the cycle potentially peaking in 2027E at $200,000. Our long term 2033E Bitcoin price target remains \~$1,000,000." Bernstein updated BTC price targets while all of reddit is in shambles. A big tittied blonde with me to the islands, thank you

originalgainster

now it's more like 3.5 BTC

Vipu2

Satoshi mentioned gold, gold like properties and to escape inflation so nothing have changed, people just imagined BTC was gonna be some worthless fiat like thing but clearly Satoshi knew its value gonna keep going up if its successful because of its properties.

Singularity118

My mom bought me one around this time. I can’t remember where from or exactly when or if it was even a real one, but it’s crazy to think that is possible she bought me some BTC without knowing it 😂 and I don’t know if it’s still in my stuff or gone forever 😂 but I remember thinking when she gave it to me “man it’d be so cool if there was bitcoin on here somehow”. I still wonder lol

Cartosys

No he didn't. This idea has been BTC maxi cope for a decade at least.

StepWright28

In terms of security, this is a superior form of BTC. Everyone expects "normies" to take private keys seriously but if anyone ever onboarded a friend to crypto they know exactly what I'm talking about

wooshceptiontime

Yeah I’m glad we share the same vision, about BTC, why don’t you mine?

HoopNhammer86

Why not take the loan out, do a DCA of $200 a week (buys 30k over 2 years) and then you use cash portion of the loan to repay it. Once you hit about 2 years and you're cash is all BTC, then you start selling some sats each month for loan servicing. That way you DCA into it, have capital for the loan payments (later on, if btc tanks, you can always sell some sats). Also, look at what your monthly budget would look like if btc went to zero and you were repaying 320/mo for ten years. (unlikely, but it is the worst case scenario. You're trying to buy an appreciating asset with debt in an inflationary economy. Many have become very wealthy with the same strategy (a lot have also gone broke).

Bugpowder

I tipped bartenders with the 1BTC ones... Oooooooof.

Playful_Judge_9942

It could work out but investing with money you don't have is generally a bad idea. Not only are you paying interest on something that is not guaranteed to increase in value you are also more likely to make emotional decisions due to the added pressure of paying back the loan (aka sell at a loss). Instead I would recommend just using the money you would have used to pay the loan to DCA and just buy more BTC gradually.

sajnt

BTC is 0.85% of its endowment

Happy_Discussion_536

Wrong. They are able to issue debt like this because the debt is convertible if the price of BTC goes high.

Happy_Discussion_536

Just because he can't control the price of BTC does not mean he can't successfully predict its direction. If he successfully predicts its direction with very safe leverage, yes he would end up being pretty smart. This isn't margin loans, he's mostly long duration 0% debt.

Happy_Discussion_536

There is no margin to call. The debt is 0% at super long duration. Obviously if BTC dies by then so does MSTR. But if he's right about the direction of BTC he prints.

kobriks

Don't worry once BTC drops to $0.001 I'm buying all of it, so that's as low as it can go.

Regular-Signal228

Question is: would you take a personal loan to buy BTC if BTC is -60/70% from ATH?

biba8163

Innovation is just crypto hype to sell you a bunch of shitcoins that make the founders and VC rich. The Use Cases are that are being adopted are clear: - Store of value = BTC - Payments, transfers, remittances = Stablecoins - Rails for Stablecoins = Ethereum, Tron, Solana, ETH L2s, etc. - Privacy *(Very little wide level public interest but honorable mention here)* There has been little innovation of anything that can provide real world value and adoption outside BTC. - Stablecoins were the result of the Omni Layer created on top of Bitcoin that allowed custom token ownership and transfer in the network which allowed for the creation of ICOs and the launch of Tether on the Bitcoin network. Other networks like Ethereum and Tron now provide the rails for Stablecoins instead of BTC which functions as a decentralized store of value. Smart Contracts have NOT proven to provide any type of real world value except for trading, leveraging, gambling, lending and yield farming shitcoins on DeFi casinos. The market is maturing and consolidating. **The Total Altcoin market is shrinking (-35% over 4 years) not growing over a 4-year period period for the first time in history.** *BTC and Stablecoins are provide the main growth. This is the market maturing and consolidating:* - BTC Marketcap 5.6X since 2017 BTC ATH - Top 4 Alts Marketcap 4.3X since 2017 BTC ATH - Total Alt Marketcap 3.4X since 2017 BTC ATH - Stablecoin Marketcap 320X since 2017 BTC ATH | | Dec. 2017 | Nov. 2021 | Dec. 2025 |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:|:------------:| | BTC | $0.32T | $1.23T | $1.80T | Top 4 Alts | $0.163T | $0.8123T | $0.70T | Total Alt | $0.282T | $1.52T | $0.97T | Stablecoin | $0.001T | $0.11T | $0.32T | Total Crypto| $0.603T | $2.86T | $3.09T | **Top 4 Alt Dom. over Alts**| **57.80%** | **53.44%** | **72.16%** | **BTC Dom. Over Top 4** | **66.25%** | **60.23%** | **72.00%** | **BTC Total Alt Dominance** | **53.16%** | **44.73%** | **64.98%** **Any dominance indicated is measured excluding stablecoins*

Happy_Discussion_536

You're using circular reasoning. "I am right it has no value therefore I am right." The entire argument hinges on whether BTC is going to be legit long term. Obviously if you think BTC isn't going to be around then MSTR is a terrible investment. But if you think BTC will appreciate it's business model is sound.

sinovesting

I mean, BTC has dropped over 50% and came back from the dead several times in its history already.

Happy_Discussion_536

It's a little more complicated than that. They issue debt at 0% which only converts when the price of MSTR goes extremely high. This in turn allows them to keep buying BTC and making money on it. As long as Fed keeps printing (QE3 is almost guaranteed to start soon) and credit markets remain extremely liquid, this strategy will work.

Scottex99

Where’s your BTC pal

KeleneJohnson14

Can't rely on $BTC only. Need to play it safe & also look at other good coins. I am also checking out memes on #GalaPump and so far $BENE $FEARZ & $GONA has got my attention.

wooshceptiontime

BTC is truly a legend, and DCA is such a solid strategy. I’m also trying to stack as much BTC as I can, I’m mining, and I’m earning a nice return on the portion I’ve invested. I’ve set up my portfolio so that I earn in both bearish and bullish markets, which really helps keep things steady. What’s your strategy?

DangerHighVoltage111

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold#Monetary_use >Hard money stayed in vaults and its paper substitutes became the real currency in circulation. And with Bitcoin this can finally change, yet the first round goes to the custodians who managed to cripple Bitcoin to make this impossible on BTC. This is why Bitcoiners forked bitcoin to be able to scale it.

Aerocryptic

BTC is building a weird looking range. That's the best we can get to see a relief rally in the coming weeks. Not a fan of the bear flag shape tho

Hfksnfgitndskfjridnf

How? They are borrowing money to buy BTC. You think they’re gonna start doing the opposite? Lend people money to buy BTC? That makes 0 sense.

TheDadThatGrills

Fees are less, transactions are faster, platforms are more adopted by traditional finance. State pension systems are choosing to hold BTC on their balance sheets and you can't see how this is progressing from 2015? This is such an obvious statement to me I feel stupid having to explain it to you.

xaviemb

At the time this prize was a thing... you could also simply give an address to a faucet on bitcoin talk and someone would send you BTC for free... not to mention the 50 you could get mining a block from your laptop while you slept.

_Sanner_

Before you go into the crypto investment, do some paper trading first. if you think you ready, evaluate how much you are willing to risk. To make things easier just look at BTC and ETH first. Don't touch other coins. Top rules: whatever you try to invest, keep your capital is No.1 priority.

GenesisFlorence_BTC

I totally understand. Many people in the Bitcoin community prefer to support projects using BTC only. For this reason, I’m also preparing a Geyser version of the project — so anyone who wants to back it with Bitcoin will be able to do so. I’ll share the link as soon as it’s ready!

Traditional-Roll-620

Why do you consider BTC a gamble?

Traditional-Roll-620

Possible but you would probably get much lower portion of BTC right

DangerHighVoltage111

BTC was hijacked, BCH slandered and scammers found out PoS chains are easy to start and dump 🤷‍♂️

Hfksnfgitndskfjridnf

It’s already not working, this is the start of desperation. The whole “infinite money glitch” was based on the premise that you sell inflated stock to buy more Bitcoin, thus both pumping the BTC price and also increasing BTC per share. They just bought 10,000 BTC and increased BTC per share by a paltry .1%. At the start of 2025 that same 10,000 BTC purchase would have given them 1.5%-1.7% increase in BTC share. The infinite money glitch is dead, he’s now just desperately buying in hopes of keeping the price propped up.

VariatCA

They all have their own reasons for still showing up every day here. - Some have just hated BTC/Crypto for years, and while watching it climb 10-100x over the past decade, these downturns are their only source of joy and hope. - Some here sold already, and are now mentally/emotionally invested in not being "wrong" about it. - Some gamblers have an active financial interest in the price going down, so showing up here to spread FUD and doomposting turns into their little side-gig. - Some are just destitute and full of regret for not taking any profits/doubling-down on dead alts/other poor financial decisions, and just use these dailies as a crying pillow.

PlatinumTrillionaire

You would think I was calling BTC to zero. The reaction I got tells me all I need to know. Retail is not ready for what’s coming. Btc price going down is an opportunity not a death sentence. Majority in this sub are up only and will probably panic sell the bottom lol

ThatBCHGuy

Look outside of BTC.

flsurf7

Anyone seeing a trend on the BTC/ETH chart - Daily Candles+? We just held above another support level and Im seeing a "flippening" trend continuing.

biba8163

Reminder that the ETH/BTC ratio was once 0.15 (Summer 2017). Reminder that when you are picking an Alt, you are trying to pick an Alt which bleeds the least vs BTC. They all bleed. ALT/BTC bleeding is the ONLY guarantee in crypto. | Date | ETH/BTC Ratio | |:-----------|:--------------------------------------| 12/08/2015 | ████ 0.008 12/08/2016 | ██████ 0.010 12/08/2017 | ███████████████ 0.028 12/08/2018 | ███████████████ 0.027 12/08/2019 | ███████████ 0.020 12/08/2020 | █████████████████ 0.030 12/08/2021 | ██████████████████████████████████████████████ 0.088 12/08/2022 | ██████████████████████████████████████████ 0.074 12/08/2023 | ████████████████████████████████ 0.053 12/08/2024 | ██████████████████████ 0.040 12/08/2025 | ████████████████████ 0.034 > If you think 0.04 BTC is low, the ETH/BTC ratio is going to feel like getting kicked in the nuts over and over again over the long term as the ratio falls below 0.01 and goes lower and lower. **(September 2024)*** > Long term ALL Alts follow the same trend and fall below the initial BTC value they started at. Pretty much all the older Alts, even the most successful fall below this value. ETH is also trending long term to fall below this value. People talk about historic trends, patterns and cycles but this has been the only 1 undisputed and unbroken pattern for 14 years. > | | Initial | High | Current | > |:-----------|------------:|:------------:|------------:| > | LTC | 0.03 BTC| 0.048 BTC | 0.001 BTC > | XRP | 5,594 SATS| 22,500 SATS | 940 SATS > | XMR | 0.005 BTC| 0.035 BTC | 0.0029 BTC > | ETH | 0.01 BTC | 0.15 BTC | 0.041 BTC > https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1fgzm3z/daily_crypto_discussion_september_15_2024_gmt0/ln9jvct/

longtestgame

I have bitcoin and i am still scared. Can't believe people who are short and long on it to determine the way BTC will go.

Jdamb

Imagine the clearity act deciding that BTC is a security not a commodity. Then regulating it to death. That test is comming soon. The coins that are commodities will be the backbone, securities are shitcoins. That one decision will make or break MSTR. That day will be a turning point to decide what machine rips itself apart. Only a digital commodity can be money. Have some puts at the ready and understand delta neutral trading. Dont sell BTC just add some puts when needed to get neutral and CYA

harvested

XXI just moved 43,033 BTC (3,932,155,272 USD) transferred for a $1.65 fee

dubble22

That BTC equals energy. ENERGY is money . Also that it is truly mine . Not an IOU from a bank or a Gov. debt.

ggonea

The video explains how the so‑called “infinite money glitch” around corporate Bitcoin buying and related financial products has broken down, showing that the feedback loop no longer reliably enriches firms or investors. Core idea Patrick Boyle describes how companies like MicroStrategy used cheap debt and equity issuance to buy large amounts of Bitcoin, which then boosted both Bitcoin’s price and their own stock, creating an appearance of a self‑reinforcing profit machine. He argues that this loop depended on hype, ultra‑low interest rates, and retail meme enthusiasm, and that once those conditions changed, the strategy’s risks and fragility became obvious. Why the “glitch” worked The video outlines the earlier environment of zero or very low rates, abundant liquidity, and a retail investor base eager to speculate on narratives rather than cash flows. In that context, firms could raise money, buy Bitcoin, watch both BTC and their stock rise, and use the higher stock price to raise even more capital, mimicking a cheat code. How it broke Boyle explains that rising interest rates, tighter financial conditions, and more skeptical markets made leveraged Bitcoin strategies and related ETFs far more dangerous, with small moves in the underlying asset producing outsized losses. As volatility and drawdowns hit, the market stopped rewarding “number‑go‑up” narratives, causing the loop of easy fundraising and price appreciation to stall. Role of leveraged products and meme dynamics The video discusses leveraged Bitcoin ETFs and derivatives as amplifiers of both gains and losses, noting that they made the system more unstable and vulnerable to sharp reversals. He links this to meme‑stock‑style behavior, where valuations detached from fundamentals but could not stay there once conditions normalized. Takeaway on current behavior Boyle points out that even high‑profile Bitcoin promoters are now more cautious, with greater focus on holding cash or managing risk rather than assuming endless upside. The main message is that financial “glitches” that seem to create free money are usually just leverage and speculation dressed up in a story, and they stop working when the macro regime shifts.

PlatinumTrillionaire

Bought BTC at 3k sold at 126k it’s okay if you don’t believe me I truly do not care

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Always_working_hardd

Hey Nicholas, I really like what you did here, particularly the way you captured the masterpiece with the fingers reaching out to each other to represent the idea behind BTC, that's a pretty great take in my opinion. How much do you plan on selling these for? How many have you made so far?

murmurat1on

If BTC was used as the main currency, do you think that prices would stop increasing? 

kuuhaku_cr

But 1 BTC will always be 1 BTC!

EarningsPal

BTC has plateaued. Nov 2024 election stable coin tvl went from $177 Billion to $308 Billion After the initial election pump, nothing happened but downward pressure on BTC

brianmonarch

I could be wrong… But you’re being too technical. I’m pretty sure they are asking about $100,000 worth of bitcoin not 100,000 BTC. I doubt anyone here has 100,000 bitcoin. But I’m pretty sure there are plenty of people with $100,000 worth of bitcoin. If someone had that kind of money, they would be talking to a wealth advisor, not asking random people on the Internet. He would have $9 billion plus. I think it’s pretty obvious what they mean even if it’s not written correctly.

SixtAcari

Man, you either cannot read or just stupid. This thread is about cashing out 100k BTC which is billions. Not about most people buying groceries.

2xfun

And yet the 95% of the population does not understand how the fiat standard works, that the real inflation is not the CPI metric and can’t tell the difference between clown coin and BTC … and I don’t see this changing anytime soon :(

Medium_Change4574

That's why BTC is gonna dump, as always when alts hold up

SixtAcari

House and car not worth 100k BTC mate. Cashing out half a million is not a big deal

Illustrious_Lie_954

Using BTC as collateral makes sense if you truly understand the liquidation risk and counterparty risk. It’s basically a tax-efficient way to access liquidity without selling, but it only works in strong uptrends like this. In fast drawdowns, people get wiped before they can react. Glad it worked out for you, but this strategy definitely isn’t set and forget for most users.

atlantic

....and now I let you guess what would happen if those wiring $500 to their home country did this with BTC. If you are regularly wiring millions, you don't care about the $50 transfer fee, because that fee comes with a customer rep that will answer your email/call within minutes and track any issues with your wire. The irony of these idiotic posts is, of course, that it is precisely BTC that cannot scale in p2p transactions and most likely never will.

CanuckCapital

BTC? Hell yeah for 10+ yr HODL, if you can handle 80% drawdowns without puking.

OkZucchini5351

A lot of you don't seem to understand that this isn't "burgers" but literally CZ dumping every day. You really think average Joe with his 0.001 BTC portfolio is doing this.

Despaciito

At least alts are not dying. BTC just trying

Steezy_Steve1990

You’re thinking short term. Saylor isn’t looking a daily charts trying to time the market. He’s holding with the idea that BTC will be worth more in 10 years than it is today.

Steezy_Steve1990

BTC would have to hit about 20k and stay there for years for that to happen. It’s just FUD. Just like how Teather has been supposedly about to blowup for the past 8 years.

Steezy_Steve1990

Strategy is pretty much going to be a Bitcoin bank in the future where you can take loans on your BTC.

ThatBCHGuy

Your right, there are even more exceedingly stupid articles posted about BTC and it's price action.

SkoMyGod

It's all computers/algos imo a lot of us burgers are big BTC fans

EarningsPal

What if BTC climbs in value to $200,000 each by 2027 and the company can survive 2026 regardless of how low the price goes.

Steezy_Steve1990

It’s always a good time to buy BTC when fear is high. Doesn’t mean the it can’t go lower but if you have a long time horizon than statistically high fear provide good buying opportunities.

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BTC peaked but most alts have been bleeding since the Q4 2024 top. My SUI bag is still in profit since I got in close to the bottom but the rest of my alts are dead. I’ve consolidated them into dry powder now to reinvest into alts that have more attention once/if it looks like the market is turning bullish again. In hindsight BTC hitting an ATH before the halving should have been the first red flag that signalled that the 4 year cycle is broken or at least has changed and to proceed with caution. Everything is obvious in hindsight though. Hopefully things turn around when liquidity starts entering the markets next year but we’ll see what happens.

binary_quasar

I get 4% cash back in BTC and it's earned me thousands in BTC over the last 2 years alone.

Azatis-

Imagine very few BTC in exchanges and how easily the price could be manipulated from those with huge amounts of the total supply.

Easik

>you're actually actively losing money from the opportunity cost of your poor decisions by doing this This is why the YTD was brought up. The opportunity cost of owning BTC over gold the last year was a missed gain of 56%. Owning gold instead of BTC over the last 5 years would have been a missed gain of 260%. That's the facts of the situation. You might be too attached to your BTC and opinion of it if you can't reconcile the fact that gold has outperformed BTC in the last year. And of course, past performance isn't indicative of future perform, so speculating that BTC or gold will outperform the other over in the future is also nonsense, so you truly can't state that you are losing money from opportunity cost.

lolman1312

Lol how am I moving goalposts? The only reason I mentioned the performance of last 5 years is because you falsely assume YTD performance makes someone's investment decision automatically right or wrong. Then you ramble about 4 year cycle when the person we're talking about is buying gold monthly and not based on cycles. Why don't you just go on and say he should've bought Bitcoin 10 years ago too? Because everything sounds good in retrospect. You cannot time the market and that's why I said it makes no sense to speculate. And yes, someone can absolutely do better in stocks than gold or btc. But the point is that gold's purpose is just an inferior version of what BTC can achieve, so if you have conviction in Btc there's no reason buying so much gold when you can at least diversify by buying stocks. And if you don't believe in Bitcoin, then don't buy it in the first place ffs. I'm not trying to convince people to buy btc.

Haunting_Tax_5991

BTC needs support to avoid April lows.

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Aazimoxx

Hmm okay, I understand what you're saying - but rents here in Australia are crazyyy right now, and it's very difficult to secure stable accommodation at the low budget end. I know plenty of people for whom say $500 would do almost nothing to change their living situation, but if they could spare it and put it in BTC in the hopes it'll be $1500 a year later, and keep contributing to that... It could make a material difference in the long term 😉 For a lot of people that $300 they *could* spend on a bedframe or couch (or even $50 on marketplace or such) is better spent stacking for later 👍