BTC

InitialResponsible62

I agree. Unless and until BTC is widely accepted as currency by governments and businesses and people get paid in BTC, it’s not a “real” currency. Real currency is backed, BTC is backed by nothing other than people’s perception and conviction. I still think it’s a fascinating asset class and I hold 5% in my investment accounts and continually add as my overall investment portfolio grows.

BQbaobao

Lots of garbage on all these threads. Try to understand the mechanics of the alleged manipulation before deciding one way or the other as to whether you believe it. Jane street is accused of purposefully dumping BTC price to trigger liquidation cascades and buy back lower. And doing it like every day. Anyone who watches charts has seen something that looks a lot like this. How does this work? It’s simple. Let’s say that I know if I sell $100 of BTC at 100k price, it will trigger a whale liquidation at $99,995 that sends the price to $99,750. Then I buy the same amount of BTC back at 99,750 costing me only $99.75. And I pocket the 25 cents if profit, minus a few cents for trading fees. Now imagine doing this with massive amounts of BTC and being able to swing the price by a lot more. And doing it at the same time every day so others can jump on the bandwagon and push it down even further. And even holding short positions behind the scenes 1) to hedge the longs you hold when you buy back and hold until tomorrow, and 2) because you are sucking the life out of the market and can cash in these shorts big later. #1 above is so important because if they are hedged, they can hold larger and larger long positions to fuck with the market. It’s not without risk, of course. But clearly it’s paying off for them so far. Why does this work? Because all you motherfuckers using high leverage on perpetual futures. If the leveraged liquidity wasn’t so rampant, this manipulation wouldn’t work. I can’t believe even after the tens of billions of liquidations in the past few month, it just keeps stacking up. blame Jane Street all you want. If this is true, they are pieces of shit who deserve the worst. However, in any market, someone will always take advantage of free money by preying on retail like this. Just be educated and stack BTC - in the long run, supply mechanics will inevitably push price back up. Last thing. I fucking wish saylor would sit on $5B of cash, wait for this fuckery, and then bankrupt these manipulative fucks by spot buying, single handedly forming a bottom, and sending the price to the moon via short squeeze. The generational play is literally right in front of him. Wish he would see it.

Alfador8

Yes, but liquidity cascades go both ways so we wouldn't get such violent upside swings either. That being said, I think there are some large capital allocators who are turned off by BTC's volatility so having fewer wild swings might entice more capital into the asset. 

Inevitable_Pin7755

If it’s a small amount and you’re just testing the waters, Coinbase is fine. It’s simple, easy to use, and you’re less likely to mess something up while you’re still learning. Early on the biggest risk is usually user error, not the exchange itself. Once it becomes real money to you though, cold storage starts to make more sense. Not your keys not your coins exists for a reason. Exchanges can freeze accounts, pause withdrawals, or change terms. Also your actual BTC is not FDIC insured, only the cash balance is. Public company does not mean zero risk, it just means regulated risk. Plenty of regulated companies have still had issues. If you plan to hold long term and you actually believe in Bitcoin, self custody is part of that mindset. Best middle ground is buy on Coinbase and move to a hardware wallet once it’s an amount that would genuinely hurt to lose. Just make sure you understand backups and seed phrases properly. Losing access yourself is worse than trusting an exchange. I write a lot about building wealth with BTC and investing without being reckless. If you’re getting into it properly and want realistic takes, my newsletter’s in my profile.

Caelxn

It went out the window as soon as paper BTC became a thing - this is the 2nd edge of the sword people were worried about when ETF filings were getting approved. BTC on-chain however *is still decentralised.* Buy it on-chain, keep in cold storage, hold for <x> years, win.

Doritos707

Everything in this world is subject to manipulation by the elites that have access to BILLIONS of fake fiat at their disposal. BTC is no different.

ThreeTonChonker

It takes a special type to declare a bear market with old graphs when BTC is likely to push back towards 80k. Jane Street is that you? Getting scared?

Ms_Freckles_Spots

Thanks for this discussion. All of us that understand the ‘Why’ and ‘How’ of BTC need to be able to explain it to others. It would be good if each of us could know our audience’s and be able to explain it to different groups at their level. I like how this explanation starts with pointing the flaws of fiat money. Over history there are many instances where Nation’s money became worthless and ‘the people’ suffered while the power were able to hedge. I think you could add to this explanation a bit about how BTC is built on a non-fungible mathematically logic which keeps it discreet. Then you need to mention a bit about the block-chain and its role as the ‘keeper of transactions’ so that we do not need a banker to manage.

jett1964

I held on to .4 BTC so I’m still cheering it in.

Dear-Director-6043

It’s just insane to me you could actually invest your own money and think blackrock is buying/selling BTC.

davie18

Did you miss this part or something? > But either way, of course I agree it’s awful as a currency if the price is volatile in either direction. Which is exactly why I said crypto in general and also BTC aren’t good to use as a currency. In fact I said they are ‘horrible’. Like what are you even talking about? I never said that something that ‘rapidly declines’ in value is a good currency, I literally said the opposite if you read the above. /facepalm

TheAbouth

This is extremely risky debt stacking, not just investing anymore. You’re basically multiplying exposure using loans on top of loans, and it only works as long as BTC keeps behaving nicely. One sharp drop, liquidity crunch, or delay in refinancing and you’re stuck with real debt that doesn’t care about crypto prices. If you’re going to keep using leverage anyway, at minimum keep loan to value conservative, assume a 40–50% BTC drawdown, and avoid relying on short term refinancing to stay solvent. Personally, I prefer platforms like Nexo because the LTV monitoring and risk controls are clearer and easier to manage.

soks86

Lots of people make money on the drop. This is a commodity, not a security, there is no "manipulation" beyond buying, selling, and duping folks with "news" about it. Besides, if you're in BTC and you make money on the drop you're probably buying more BTC to HODL somewhere in there.

gqnish1

What a crock. People bought in to BTC because its supposed to be decentralized and not susceptible to manipulation. Well that pretty much went out the window

tribepride25

As others have said, funds are not insured in Coinbase. They can go bankrupt tomorrow and your BTC is gone

inShambles3749

Lmao I'm good with BTC, eth and XMR mate. I know who will be aide lined - again. And it's not me

u_spawnTrapd

If you are just dipping your toes in with a small amount, leaving it on Coinbase for a bit while you learn is pretty normal. It is simple and you do not have to worry about seed phrases on day one. That said, the whole point of BTC is self custody. Once the amount starts to matter to you, a hardware wallet is worth the learning curve. You do not have to go all in immediately. You can start small, move a test transaction, and get comfortable with it. Ask yourself one question. If Coinbase froze withdrawals tomorrow, would you be stressed? If the answer is yes, you probably already know which direction you lean.

GettingFasterDude

Cold storage, always, always, always. Just don't f it up. Start with small amounts until you're perfect with it. Leave your BTC on Coinbase and you'll be sorry. Switch to River or Strike. Coinbase is a sh|t-coin casino. Avoid them like d'ck cancer.

Ok_Celebration_4412

What people forget: it was never about the price but how may you can accumulate at the right price. Everyone will get their BTC at the price they deserve.

davie18

When did BTC do at 8.5x? This sub is honestly which trash. The quality of posts and discussions is just so bad. Does anyone know of any subs to actually have quality discussions on crypto in general or BTC specifically?

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National-Product5781

You’re not wrong to question it. This sub treats BTC like religion sometimes. If you’re unsure, size down, self-custody what you can, and stop staring at charts. Conviction beats vibes.

Vester_Crypto

I doubt this will ever happen I will try to not over complicate this with technical terms but The 21M cap is basically hard-coded into Bitcoin. Every computer running the network checks and makes sure no one can create more than 21 million BTC. If someone tried to cheat, the network would reject it. More like the consensus mechanism on which bitcoin is built

GIGAbtcHodl

The more you hold, the more you will be surprised what BTC is capable of

lukewarsius

I completely agree that the system is broken, however I do not agree that BTC is the obvious solution. It might be, but it certainly doesn't have to be. And however much I "learn" about BTC, this conclusion will not change.

Silent_Draft190

In what world is 0.1 BTC worth 15 Mil ??

Osiris_The_Gamer

I cannot help but to laugh at this, given BTC is higher than the Dow Jones Industrial Average I am not worried in the slightest

Archophob

>Of course there is a lot to learn about the current financial system, but that's independent of BTC as of now. Given that the current financial system is the reason why Satoshi started the blockchain in the first place, i would not see it as "independent".

Able-Juggernaut1224

No man, this is the best time to leverage. I second mortgaged my house. I can prob buy 3 or 4 BTC at these prices. I think realistically it’ll go back to 120K by end of this year. The reason is a lot of my friends discussing and they believe the same. 2030 it’s not that hard to believe it can go to 1M per coin.

Jealous-Reindeer-610

purchase 15 million BTC for 0$

scintillatingsin

For sure, US500 has yet to correct…which has a massive impact on BTC.

FunnyNo8982

I don’t understand what people have in mind before they write those comments 😩, BTC CANT go to zero ….. for many reasons … lost wallets … destroyed wallets … vanished wallets… satoshi’s wallet… investors wallets and I can continue write more …

Apolo_reader

Go on with my life. BTC is only 2% part of it

garand_guy7

Hi, ATH buyer here! I started DCAing in at around $109k because that's when I learned about bitcoin vs. FIAT. I'm not worried, I'm not treating BTC as a stock, it's to go against fiat. I'll keep buying at it's next ATH also

Bulky_Description579

That 53M number smells like marketing math to me. Here's what they're probably counting: \- Someone who panic-bought $100 during the 2021 peak and sold at a loss \- College kid with $20 in BTC from a sign-up bonus \- Your uncle who "invested" in 2017 and can't remember his password \- Same person with accounts on Coinbase, Binance, and Cash App or any other exchange or something like that.. The actual reality in the US, is maybe 1 in 15-20 people actively hold Bitcoin. Not 1 in 6.

ReceptionSmall9941

Yeah, cross-asset correlation has gotten much tighter whenever macro or big AI headlines hit risk sentiment. It feels less like “crypto vs stocks” now and more like one liquidity regime where BTC just has higher beta.

Bulky_Description579

Congrats! That's a solid win, and more importantly, you actually took profit instead of riding it back down like so many people do. The 'what if I held longer' thing will haunt you forever. But you made money, learned the cycles, and now you're back in with experience. That puts you ahead of 90% of people. For the new buyers reading this: The key takeaway isn't just 'hold longer', it's understanding that Bitcoin moves in cycles. \- Buy during fear (like 2022-2023 bear market) \- Hold through doubt (the long boring middle) \- Take some profit during euphoria (don't need to catch the exact top) \- Rinse and repeat For some people, their strategy is different, they stack BTC directly AND mine Bitcoin. Why? Mining gives you ongoing accumulation regardless of price action. You're cost-averaging in real-time (mining sats every day). If BTC dips, you're still stacking... if it rips, your mined BTC appreciates Diversifies your entry points. This is not for everyone (requires cheap power and dealing with hardware), but it's another way to build a position beyond just buying and holding. Either way - welcome back.

Klobbcock

So…is BTC dead or “long-living”? 🤔

temps5959

Great insight there, my one question though (playing devils advocate) is - when these wealthy people want to move their money across borders anytime, this is only really useful if they can use/spend their BTC like a proper currency. We are so far off that i feel and unless they offramp into fiat in a country that doesn’t impact capital gains tax or similar, what’s the real incentive of doing so?

CyroSwitchBlade

Right before BTC options and futures trading was approved on the CBOE back in 2017 I wrote my doctoral dissertation about how large hedge funds and other types of companies were going to be doing this sort of shit.. its kind of nice I guess to see that it looks like I was pretty much right about it all.

FamiliarDivide9935

Agreed with diminishing returns but diminishing corrections is tbd as BTC is still a risk on asset class and is now positively correlated with equity markets, where a dip in equity markets could cause further downside on BTC price movement.

temps5959

Great insight thanks, and I think where I was coming from on this more so, is that the incremental increase in BTC’s price each cycle is reducing each time. No one is likely even gonna 4x or more their investment in one cycle alone, so the appeal to new investors is lower and less enticing. Feels like the ETFs dipped their toe during the uptrend in price but will be way more cautious this time round. Again just my slightly uneducated take, but I don’t think we see the same level of absolute greed that we’ve seen before but as we all know - no one knows..!

OutrageousCourse4172

Miners don’t sell BTC reserves to survive, they reduce the rate of mining if they aren’t making a profit which reduces supply. The whole point of the mining is to regulate price fluctuations to some extend.

Express-Economist-86

Idk there’s more and more big players jumping in. Institutions are a going to take several years to get all settled in, but they’re laying the groundwork. I’ve lived long enough to see the price of everything goes down when measured in Bitcoin, inflation is that bad. Been stuck on this math: 7.9B global population, 21m BTC evenly distributed = 0.0027BTC each (under $200 right now). I know some is lost, not everyone has internet, it’s not all mined, just roll with it for now. 22m Americans own Bitcoin. 24m Americans are Millionaires, out of 80m Millionaires, globally. So if these guys get tired of dealing with real estate (renters, taxes, money tied up), realize there *really is only so many* Bitcoin, and want to take their money anywhere anytime across borders… each one of them have to essentially buy their little 0.0026 BTC from me, every time I surpass that number. So when Strategy is just hoovering them at double the rate they can be mined, massive institutions getting in position… I’m pretty comfy just getting my DCAs in. They’ll want it, they just don’t know it yet.

lukewarsius

Genuine question: What is there to "learn" about BTC except the basic concept that anyone with some basic logic can understand within 2 hours? Of course there is a lot to learn about the current financial system, but that's independent of BTC as of now.

KateR_H0l1day

It’s amazing how the Fear & Greed Index works, those fearful now and coming down from $100K will be the same ones will FOMO in again as the index turns to Greed. There mind will tell them to jump on the bandwagon again for fear of being left behind. Their fear of it dropping and/or taking profits (greed) will mean their late selling, because it’s human nature. On the other hand, many in the ETF spaces are experienced investors, and they will set limits for selling and buying. This unfortunately causes the domino effect, especially when it’s dropping, so that the legs of the drop triggers cascading selling without them thinking too much. Yet growth will continue to cause FOMO, and greed will attract many of these ETF buyers if the analysts are Bullish on how far can BTC reach in the next Bull Market. Just some musings from a random internet stranger 🤷‍♀️

scintillatingsin

Why wasnt the top as high as it should have been? BTC clearly hit a macro trendline at 125k. Why i opened a short. BTC has given diminishing returns as market matures The same as giving diminishing corrections.

scintillatingsin

Well, been in crypto since 2016 and heavily looked at past data as one does. Its all about connecting dots. I shorted 125k (still running) I also shorted when BTC lost the weekly 100EMA at 85k because past data showed BTC nose dived when it lost it in 2018 and 2022, both after cycle Tops.

DRAGULA85

People are responding to you as if a whole coin is mythical. I just assume this subreddit is full of whole coiners but seems like it’s people with $600 worth of BTC

Osiris_The_Gamer

Well unless you are developing protocols there is nothing you can do except wait for the commodities markets to crash again and for capital to rotate back into BTC. Mind you BTC is here to stay because they need something by which they can easily offer as collateral. Rehypothecating a boat or a house or a car is very difficult, expensive and legally fraught considering inspections, laws both local and international, insurance, inspections of the assets and so on. Whereas BTC is instant, borderless and universal.

BTCWallahFXEmpire

Jane Street may affect “how” Bitcoin trades—spreads, liquidity, hedging pressure, basis dynamics—especially around ETFs. But the idea that *one* market maker is the main reason behind BTC crash is a stretch without hard evidence

ThrobbingMeatGristle

You won, well done. You won, because others lost. I too won as well. I mined bitcoin in 2014/2015 and in 2017/2018 sold enough to pay for the miners, and the electricity and kept everything else vowing not to touch it till retirement - which if it was still worth anything would be a good time. In 2022 I sold almost all of it. I bought some things I needed, paid the capital gains tax, and retired. The little I kept I divided by value into XRP and BTC which I will only ever sell if I need it between now and when I get the final call home. For me to do that, many others had to loose a substantial amount of money. I think about that a lot. It is a zero sum game. One of my mates - the guy who got me into crypto in the first place, was even earlier than me - he got in so early he mined 40 BTC on a shitty old computer in the early days. He blew most of it on one holiday when BTC hit US$200. He saved a few coins but his hands were weak and eventually sold the last few when it hit around $20k and this let him sort his kids through college, but its all gone now, and he still works 9-5. It is not as easy to win big now. The wild days are over. The massive growth over 10 years is not there unless you take insane trading risks. If you buy now, to get the equivalent results I did you'll need to sell when it gets to around US$1m. I can't see that happening unless its through some kind of global hyperinflation and people somehow start throwing increasingly worthless paper into BTC thinking its safe like real precious metals or something. Today's HODLers are taking bigger chances with bigger stakes. You have to wear the risk that the system fails - and the longer it drags on, the chance of that increase. It could fail to practically zero for lots of reasons: Maybe Satoshi Nakomoto didn't burn his keys and his blocks suddenly start moving somehow, or, maybe so much crime is uncovered publicly that was underpinned by BTC that the exchanges all blackball it - massive loss of value overnight. Think MtGOX on a massive scale. Hodl, but be prepared to loose it all.

itisidude

Would you accept BTC as payment?

Used_Rhubarb_9265

30% LTV is smart, gives you a ton of cushion if BTC dips further. The key is making sure you have cash flow to service the loan if it goes against you for a while. I've used Nexo for this exact strategy. Their LTV requirements are flexible and you can borrow stablecoins against BTC at decent rates. Just watch the interest, it adds up if you're holding the position long term.

pouldycheed

Nexo should probably be on this list honestly. They've been around since 2018 and offer BTC-backed loans starting at 0% APR if you're in their loyalty tier, otherwise around 6.9-13.9% depending on LTV ratio. No minimum loan amount which is nice if you're not looking to borrow $10k+. The main trade-off is it's custodial, so you're trusting Nexo with your collateral. But they've been pretty solid on that front, no rehypothecation if you opt for their Flex terms.

TheresNoSecondBest

>I reckon there’s a large proportion of people who have quite frankly just ‘had enough’ of the BTC ride.. Weak hands will leave, strong HODL gang stays. This is happening all the time. You probably bought sats in 2020 from someone selling at ATH ($20k at that time). I believe many of them bought back at a higher price again. **Everyone gets Bitcoin at the price they deserve.**

Petursinn

I feel this is being spun into something it isnt, personally, I cannot see any pattern of dips at 10 AM in BTC/USD (what is the timezone people are referring to?), secondly, there are alot of other patterns worth pointing out, like the sunday hikes when Saylor buys and the "market makers" pump during low liquidity hours on weekends. Thirdly, isnt this lawsuit about an incident that took place years ago? To me it look more like one marketmaker throwing shit at another for ruining theyr plays, to me the whole market is rigged at this point.

elldaimo

I DCA 8.3% of my monthly paycheck into BTC and the same amount goes into my ETF Portfolio as well as my pension fund. In Dips like these, I tend to 2x it if possible or even a little more. Gone are the days of "if it falls below XY I will buy a large sum at once"....

Imaginary-Proof-5908

Yeesh! WhatsApp and Cash app...try not to fck with when it comes to your BTC.

sygnifax

Things will always change in 10 years. Owning common sense is worth more than 1 BTC.

Legitimate_Fondant85

Because im working full time and still living with my parents, i put a €1000 euro in BTC every month. I want to put in more, but i help my dad with paying the rent. So this is all i can do.

Zealousideal_Cow5693

I meant moving BTC to other chains or swapping, not just between Bitcoin wallets. Different use case.

longonbtc

That screenshot is fake. The person you sent the bitcoin to is a scammer and the scammer sent you a photoshopped screenshot. The transaction fee for that transaction was only 7050 sats and that transaction included 20 outputs. 19 of those outputs was bitcoin going to 19 other Binance customers that withdraw bitcoin around the same time as you. And the total transaction fee was 7050 sats, which is currently worth only $4.88 You can view the transaction here: https://mempool.space/tx/b5c597cac341c982205f4d8a13a830ec9648ea31028418c345f7c901d7bd0268 You should also be aware that exchanges get to choose how much they want to charge their customers for withdrawing bitcoin from their platform. This fee is referred to as a bitcoin withdrawal fee. Some exchanges choose not to charge a bitcoin withdrawal fee at all (meaning it's free to withdraw bitcoin). [Swan Bitcoin](https://www.swanbitcoin.com/) chooses not to charge a bitcoin withdrawal fee. [Strike](https://strike.me/) chooses not to charge a bitcoin withdrawal fee if you choose the slowest option. [Cash App](https://cash.app/bitcoin) chooses not to charge a bitcoin withdrawal fee if you withdraw 0.001 BTC or more and you choose the standard speed option. [River](https://river.com/) chooses to give their customers one free bitcoin withdrawal per month.

hodler1992

Jane Street is in indeed a market maker and biggest BTC ETF holder. That's a fact. They live of providing liquidity during high volatility.

KyWolfdistro

Yeah, man, never use CashApp for BTC; they’ll find a way to take it if you get a large enough amount.

ReliantToker

THE MINER WHO FORGOT TO PAY THEMSELVES ​While Bitcoin is often described as a perfect mathematical machine, it relies on miners to correctly "claim" their rewards. On December 30, 2017, a miner successfully solved Block 501,726, but they committed a historic error: they left the "outputs" of the coinbase transaction blank. ​The obscure technical detail? Bitcoin’s consensus rules specify the maximum amount a miner can claim (block subsidy plus transaction fees), but they do not require the miner to claim anything at all. In this specific block, the miner successfully performed the proof-of-work but failed to include an address to receive the 12.5 BTC subsidy and the associated fees. ​As a result, those 12.5 BTC—worth over $1.1 million in today's market of February 2026—were never created. They didn't go to a "burn" address or get stuck in a wallet; they simply remained unissued, forever reducing the total circulating supply of Bitcoin. This remains the only time in history a miner successfully found a block but walked away with exactly zero reward due to a coding oversight in their own custom mining software.

Every_Hunt_160

While everyone complains that BTC is back or BTC is dead, one thing is clear - this subreddit is dead !

MorriceGeorge

Considering the diminishing returns we've seen across each cycle, it's hard to see BTC at $1m any time soon. I'm not saying it's not possible, but we're looking at an almost 10-20x from current levels.

Terrible_Phone_6521

Fiat as in cash? Then double wrong. Cash is not always traceable, but BTC can be traced. 

CryptoOnTheSidewalk

MSTR always feels like turning the volatility knob up to max. You’re basically getting leveraged exposure to BTC plus the added layer of corporate strategy and market sentiment. That can work great on the way up, but it cuts both ways fast. The short interest angle is interesting because squeezes can create crazy moves short term. The question is whether you’re playing a trade or holding it like a long term proxy for bitcoin. Those are two very different mindsets. Personally I try to keep it simple and just hold spot. Less exciting, but also easier to sleep at night. Are you looking at this as a quick momentum play or a longer conviction bet?

No_Record8481

Me as regular folk has 0.11 BTC, but I plan to continue buy the little I can everymonth 😁

vatai

oh wow! This guy is thoroughly uninformed! "All of those networks" (except BTC) already were upgraded! :facepalm: This is an error message I get when I log into an older server: \*\* WARNING: connection is not using a post-quantum key exchange algorithm. \*\* This session may be vulnerable to "store now, decrypt later" attacks. \*\* The server may need to be upgraded. See [https://openssh.com/pq.html](https://openssh.com/pq.html) "The crypto community is actually the most sophisticated cybersecurity community." WHAT? Moxi, the guy behind signal wrote this when NFTs and web 3.0 were becoming a thing [https://moxie.org/2022/01/07/web3-first-impressions.html](https://moxie.org/2022/01/07/web3-first-impressions.html)

ReceptionSmall9941

It’s probably not an immediate risk, but it’s a long-term credibility overhang until migration paths are clearer. BTC still has time, yet planning for quantum-resistant signatures before panic mode seems like the rational approach.

MaximumStudent1839

Wow, this cohort of Bitcoiners are such weak sauce. Gotta find a boogeyman to explain away the old BTC whales activated and dumped on them. Whatever it is, crypto is crypto. Bitcoin can’t escape it. Alts got VCs/devs to dump on you. BTC has an old holder base cashing out. Ppl blamed market makers’ “manipulation” for alts underperformance. They all ignore the fact, market makers can manipulate shit if they don’t have coins sold to them by previous holders. And Bitcoiners laughed at alt bagholders’ cope. But it is pretty crazy, they can’t see through the same problem when it happens to their bag.

neelsmith74

The fact you put nearly 50k in Bitcoin's infancy is legend status already, then to hold to 20k (half million) is also amazing! It so easy for all of us looking back now; I turned down 1500 BTC when it was $3 per coin - at least you saw a huge profit.

Small_Appearance2014

For 10+ years, stick to strong fundamentals — real utility, active development, and clear positioning. BTC and ETH are solid core holds. From your list, projects like AVAX, Cardano, Chainlink, and XRP are often viewed as long-term infrastructure plays — but they should be smaller allocations compared to your core. You can also look into projects focused on compliance and real-world use, like **RYO**, which aim to build practical infrastructure rather than just hype. Main rule: size positions so you can survive volatility and hold through full cycles.

Glyzzza_

Looks solid for a first move! Weight BTC and ETH heavier, then spread smaller amounts across SOL, AVAX, XRP, and LINK and add gradually over time.

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worldofsinn

Put it all on black first, this way you can HODL double the BTC, and if it goes down 50% first, youd be able to sleep at night because youd be right back at base.

Puzzled_Cookie778

5K move in BTC = noise for veterans, heart attack for first cycle holders. Market doesn't change, perspective does

Helpful_Wrongdoer_65

Man, when the system implodes, you wish to have stock on food, and water... BTC is the first thing going down with the system.

ThePedanticWalrus

Jesus, absolutely not. BTC is fine as part of an otherwise diversified portfolio, but to just YOLO your retirement into it would be insane.

Helpful_Wrongdoer_65

Man, BTC is just an asset, which involves the crypto currencie itself, but thats more like an excuse, no one uses BTC like money, all the cryptos bros are buying because they're expecting to more people go so the price in the future will pump that's all. If you are doing "Day trading" you're going to lose money, you can DCA or buy on the "Dips", the thing is no one knows which is the "dip" of BTC, because is all a narrative about expectations to be one million dolar later. But maybe you can expect 62k to 54k (BTC/USD)... to be the "dip". So you're free to buy in those range, maybe tomorrow is on 69k because i don't know, the market is pretty much emotional.

Objective-Choice6518

No Always diversify. Keep your 401k and buy BTC with your current income

JacquesBondeaux

he could still own the BTC in a self-directed one-participant 401K

Helpful_Wrongdoer_65

Shut up man, BTC will not humble no one, is just and asset. Stop preaching. I will not pay 62k for BTC, and if i did, it only be for speculative purposes to change it to cash in the future, then moving on.

cryptofomo

If 21 million BTC flows to you because you ‘treat it best’ (buy it dinner?), and the masses don’t want your BTC, how much do you think your BTC will be worth?

shoblime

A 7–8% bounce after months of downside isn’t a trend reversal, it’s volatility doing what it does. The real question is whether this move is reclaiming higher time frame structure or just squeezing late shorts. If we’re still below major breakdown levels, this is chop territory and grid/DCA both make sense depending on risk tolerance. But if BTC starts holding above prior resistance and funding flips aggressively positive, then it becomes a different conversation. Personally, I’d rather accumulate into weakness and reduce into strength than chase green candles. In this kind of market, patience usually outperforms prediction.

PuzzleheadedBell4057

It's been securitized. That's gonna need to be worked through before there is any meaningful move to the upside. As an example, people claim the BTC will max out at 21 million Bitcoin. Not true. The use of derivatives actually means that there is an unlimited amount of Bitcoin in the system. Banks getting involved and the creation of Crypto ETF and the financial instruments these companies create to make money from the rest of us is gonna muck things up for a while. https://youtu.be/zaZ97BcGnCA?si=4Nxr5xLmdGmqC7c5 Check it out.

SilverbackViking

In a word "yes" Also further to this BTC passing a majority liquidation area for shorts at around 74-75k there will be massive forced buying of BTC, this would trigger a MSTR pump past liquidation zones also, when this happens it triggers a reinforcing reaction as when MSTR shorts get liquidated the spikes in price actually raise cash for MSTR to buy more BTC. Once the pump starts it will be ON!

watch-nerd

Closed the 27 FEB 26 shorts for a modest profit and roll yield. Opened new 27 MAR 26 shorts on the pump, new entry points at $68705 BTC and $2070 ETH. P&L already in the green as it goes down again.

Sensitive-East7965

BTC = Buy The Children

hcballs

I would buy 1 BTC, and then DCA every week.

piantanida

Look into Unchained maybe… you can get loans using BTC as collateral

Opening_Ant9937

I would DCA as crypto is so volatile but I’m assuming you are using a DEX. If so out of all those I would just stick with BTC, ETH, and SOL. There’s also hyperliquid and meteora which are coins but also DEXs you can invest in.

MrHighroll

Bro. As a stranger who cares, do not do this. Not now. If you want to accumulate crypto at the very least wait until the 4 year cycle lows around October, and even then I’d consider majority going into BTC and Eth as most alts aren’t ever going to recover. I don’t need and won’t ask you for any money but if u want to talk shop hop into my DMs, if you do it now or in next couple months be prepared to stomach 50% drawdown. Meanwhile if you wait the same money will be 100% up by time it hits this level. Lock in. Goodluck

Able-Juggernaut1224

I actually think 10M by 2030 is a possibility. I have 0.5 BTC. So at least I’ll have 10M before I turn 30.

Illustrious-Boss9356

Hello and good morning. Hard to say because the right answer is different for every individual. I would say start slow and methodically. Get comfortable with how BTC works, storing it, sending it, checking the network activity, etc. Make sure you have other assets and are wisely allocating. Start with an allocation target, say 5% of your net worth, and establish a plan to buy monthly to reach that! Good luck and godspeed.

RelevantTadpole8021

should allocate it to BTC? YES All at once? NO you could do 75% a BTC etf like FBTC then for draw downs add some non correlated assets that are STACKED on top of bitcoin. $RSSX is Sp500, Gold, and Bitcoin all in one. $BTGD is bitcoin and Gold. $OOQB is Nasdaq and Bitcoin. $OOSB is Sp500 and Bitcoin. That way you are still living on a bitcoin standard but you get diversification...in a way that you wont regret if if Bitcoin runs as you'll still benefit from it's upside while having some cushion on drawdowns Source? I made it all up (jk those are real tickers, DYOR)

pezdal

I agree the mining industry doesn’t have much effect on bitcoin price. I also agree that fewer people remain when they lose money. But others join all the time…. As I said there can be short term profitability, but in the long run, on average, I think miners tend to lose money. The pie doesn’t stay the same time. The coinbase halves every 4 years, and the price of BTC can drop 50% from the time you order your gear in October until you start mining in February.