BTC

mchotdograp

No, otherwise BTC would have dumped.

banglasteve

MSTR is just a leveraged BTC stock owned by a megalomaniac. Better off in the real thing

Previous_Blueberry_5

BTC

Traditional_Most105

Well some people want the higher upside you could get with these alts... and you can't say anything for sure... you never know what will happen... BTC might outperform them or BTC and some of these alts will conquer the space, or maybe crypto might even die if something newer and safer and more advanced comes in... so not knowing the future you can't say for sure about anything... you just speculate on BTC because it's the most safer...

kiefferbp

I mean…you’d probably want to do a lot of planning to move that much in BTC too

Beautiful_Level_3259

I get downvoted. This is classic. GLXY was the ACTUAL first public company in the world to put BTC on their balance sheet (yes before MSTR etc.) Bitcoiners should love this company as they are the true OG in this space.

FunWithSkooma

this post has old news. the whitehats already gave back the BTC, they kept 598 BTCs to themselves tho.

ehhwhatsthatbrother

OP isn’t talking about $100K in BTC. He’s talking about 100K BTC

Beautiful_Level_3259

Through GLXY (Galaxy Digital) the top crypto company in the world who already managed the largest BTC transaction of All Time. They are the most undervalued company in the world IMO. As they are a leader in both AI and Crypto. The AI side of their business is worth a fortune. Combine this with the crypto/tokenization business that they have too. Its crazy.

tenor_tymir

OTC desk probably through a dedicated family office. You don’t have 1000k BTC without any form of wealth management

warmBlizzard20

This is the part that matters: \*\*you don’t need to steal a key if you can break the accounting system that decides what’s backed by BTC.\*\* That’s a pretty brutal reminder that every layer built on top of Bitcoin introduces its own trust and failure assumptions. Bitcoin’s base layer can remain secure while a sidechain gets wrecked. “Whitehat” or not, $320M sitting in one address until it’s actually resolved is a serious situation.

Top-Care-8946

I agree with you. I think that if BTC will take over 10% of total global money then it will be more used as daily payment method everywhere. Currently BTC problem is that it's more taken as investment rather than everyday payment remedy.

ChickinFats

yeah but they wont be ready until 2030 at the earliest. BTC, later than that (if ever!). Hence, ass I aid, I bought LEMNI, so I'm already protected from it.

UnitDramatic7538

Who cares about 350 BTC.

langfordw

Yes. It’s a safe and solid choice. Gold standard security. And although they don’t “insure” it, your BTC is still covered by various Fidelity customer guarantees.

warmBlizzard20

Honestly, if you’re already uncomfortable with the Jade, I wouldn’t force yourself to use it just because “cold storage is safer.” The biggest security risk is usually not the hardware wallet itself it’s the user making a mistake with the seed phrase, signing something they shouldn’t, losing the backup, etc. If you’re talking about a meaningful amount of BTC, I’d take some time to learn the Jade properly before moving everything. Do a small test transaction first, verify the receiving address, and make sure you understand how the recovery process works. Once you’re comfortable, move the rest. And if you genuinely don’t want the responsibility of self-custody, a reputable regulated custodian can be a perfectly reasonable choice. There’s no prize for holding your BTC in a cold wallet if you’re constantly worried you’re going to screw something up.

KateR_H0l1day

I don’t need exit liquidity, I’m already green on my BTC, it’s just facts that most people don’t look at the future! They look at pumps, and want to jump in, plus so many are still convinced in a new low for the this cycle and are waiting for $50K’s, some are even waiting for $40K & $30K.

Freudarian

You know what this means. Last time he tweeted that he is crypto president BTC took a nose dive

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JarrettR

The difference is that BTC survives, MSTR doesn't. The larger MSTR gets the more impact it's eventual collapse will effect BTC MSTR is a long term liability for BTC

Lefties_TheWorst7331

Where do you live? Don't get me wrong, I'd make it happen from London to the US (opposite of OP post because I live in the US), but I would move 50K Bitcoin much easier given that it is legal coin and have almost no expenses at all.. it'd take plenty more to move ~60,000 pounds of gold.. Give me the BTC. It has more upside potential than gold and I wouldn't even have to physically transport the shit.. or store it which is another expense..

Dependent-Coyote2383

sure... 50k BTC is easier, but give me the 50k BTC en gold, I can ensure you I will move it to my home with ease, do not worry about that...

Lefties_TheWorst7331

You really think the President is going to say there are only two true cryptos when Melania launched a shitcoin as well and not include hers in the mix? Supporting the clarity act that goea beyond BTC? Not including SOL (Solana) as a true crypto which HIS coin was created on the Solana blockchain? Adderall addicted crypto kids? Like I said, if you even thought this was half real, I feel bad for you.

cowboy_shaman

I’m not sure. I feel like the landscape has changed with Bitcoin and Eth ETFs. That money is just not flowing into alts like it used to. I tried to time the altcoin rotation this cycle and got burned bad. Should have just stayed in BTC

Interesting_Loss_907

Yes, I get what you’re saying, but that’s true 99% of the time for everyone (it’s extremely difficult to time dips & peaks short term). This is why most of us recommend not trying to actively trade or time the market. Just accumulate & hold (though I do try to accumulate primarily in bear markets & I never continue buying at or near an ATH.) But in your case, if you’re ready to retire & shed the volatility, sure, maybe sell off most of your remaining BTC & buy non-volatile assets or just move to HY money market accounts for retirement. Enjoy & relax! the vokatility,

Olivia_878

*So you're saying when BTC takes over, we won't have to "labor" just to buy ribs for the grill? I hope that future comes fast, because today I only want to flip patties, not calculate inflation.*

Hot_Arm3894

Fair enough, holding BTC is definitely the safest play right now. The 50WMA is an amazing macro filter though, hard to argue with that data point

Charming-Designer944

So then keep holding, let it rest until you actually need it pr want to accept nt for it in your pension plan. Why are you stressing over it? Its a bonus. I am assuming you already secured next in kind access to your keys. Thats the only thing you should really worry about regarding your BTC stack if what you say above is true.

Charming-Designer944

Start selling and rebalance investments into less volatile assets to stock index fund or similar traditional investment instruments. Selling some per year is easier and less risky than selling all in one go. And having the traditional investment instruments are easier to deal with when it comes to bank relations etc. Maybe balance with some BTC tied traded papers at low fees if you feel you sold too much and want to keep the BTC exposure. But beware of the tax effects of selling your BTC. Most likely much better to keep your BTC exposure in BTC. My personal view is that BTC have a lot to give in the next 10 years and that its to early to exit completely even if the pension is nearing. I do not live in the UK, and my bank is not entirely anti-crypto. I have understood that dealing with crypto related fiat transfers in the UK is a major pain.

Garblin

Correct, that exact "we" You seem to be thinking that having a long list makes this more impressive? That exact same list did not believe that BTC had value 50 years ago (because it didn't exist), and could just as easily decide that it has no value again. It does not have inherent value. It's a very well designed system for a deflating currency, but that's all it is, magic internet money.

bitusher

**Cloud Mining Contracts** Most are ponzis, fractionally reserve mine, or charge too high fees which mean you will never ROI. Cloud mining typically falls into 3 categories a) legit mining company that actually mines what you invest, but is misleading to clients the harsh reality of hashing difficulty increasing and fees = You will not profit and not make a ROI b) Cloudmining company that fractionally reserve mines to keep up appearances and prove they actually are doing some mining but in reality do not mine the hashrate that they are contractually obligated to = You will not profit and not make a ROI c) Straight up ponzi scheme with no mining = You will not profit and not make a ROI Mining is very competitive and if miners need to both pay for marketing, profit sharing , affiliate revenue, and management of many small clients or partners this overhead will quickly drive them out of business. Keep in mind that BTC mining difficulty is typically increasing , which means the payouts are fine initially but than naturally get smaller and smaller as the months go on. So at first everything seems fine than you notice later you start to get less and less until there is no payout. So people that cloud mine either come away from the experience bitter and don't return , or they make a profit , but not from mining but from the appreciation of Bitcoin during their contract. I.E... They invest 500 USD , cloud mining company pays back 300 USd of BTC over the next year , but because Bitcoin appreciated in value that BTC is now worth 800 dollars and the client is happy because they don't have the know how to compare what that investment would be worth if they simply sat on it and waited for their bitcoin to appreciate in value. More info on mining : r/bitcoinmining Do not mine unless you own ASICs yourself

adamf1313Miner

That's why is better to mine. I continued to earn, even when BTC fell below $60K. I use Gomining. NO hardware....just returns. If you decide to try it. Use my referral link. https://gomining.com/?ref=4e042

BambooShuriken

I would track ALT/BTC performance - you can maybe create a basket of those alts as well as an indicator. I personally like price action metrics and some moving averages on LTF. Can add confluence.

jsh63

Real figures but I’m a bit older so it’s less of a deal to me because I’ve accumulated assets over time - business, pension, property etc. I suppose I have mixed feelings about BTC at the moment

molnardavid84

Lightning can be useful for payments, but routing and moving between Lightning and on-chain BTC can have fees. The wallet's custody model matters too. Coinjoin in Ginger or Wasabi is a collaborative transaction where you keep your keys; it isn't a deposit into a custodian's mixing balance. These tools expose different information to different observers, so I'd compare the actual setup before treating them as interchangeable.

molnardavid84

Rotki is worth checking if local storage is the priority. It's open source and runs on your own machine, with accounting and portfolio features. Paying a hosted service with BTC doesn't prevent it from learning the addresses, xpubs or trade history you upload. With local tools, check what external services they query too. Check which features cover your needs and jurisdiction before relying on the reports.

JustStopppingBye

You’re arguing that BTC is a rational speculation, not proving that it can't be considered a gamble. Historical halving cycles don't guarantee future returns….this is literally a gamble. \>Bitcoin doesn't determine the value of altcoins, but it still strongly influences the broader crypto market. If it crashes, everything goes with it for the most part, and vice-versa.  ETH, LINK, SOL, BNB and XRP have all gained against BTC itself. \>Lack of cash flow does not make something a gamble. Gold has no earnings or cash flow either. Neither do currencies, collectibles or many other non-productive assets people invest in. Gold has centuries of monetary, industrial and cultural demand. Bitcoin is also not a collectible lol Fiat** **currencies have value largely because they are established mediums of exchange and units of account, backed by governments.

fadeddreams555

I don't completely disagree with you. I'll even concede that I exaggerated some points. Bitcoin doesn't determine the value of altcoins, but it still strongly influences the broader crypto market. If it crashes, everything goes with it for the most part, and vice-versa.  You're arguing that Bitcoin is speculative, which I already said. You're not actually demonstrating that investing in it is the same thing as gambling. Lack of cash flow does not make something a gamble. Gold has no earnings or cash flow either. Neither do currencies, collectibles or many other non-productive assets people invest in. Their value is determined by scarcity, utility and what the market is willing to pay for them. That makes valuation more difficult than valuing a business, but it doesn't magically convert ownership of the asset into a casino wager. The fact is, as long as those halvings exist, the demand for BTC will remain strong, so it is definitely worth the investment, even if speculative by nature. A Fartcoin is probably not.

AdOk1101

The BTC bubble will burst as people FOMO into more technologically advanced crypto currency protocols.

Garblin

So much as I support BTC standard... BTC is not "hard money". It's debatable if it's Fiat given that it's not government based, but it still and always only has value because we say it does.

Le-Bon-Vivant

85% of positions on BTC total, sure I can believe that, but strong majority of individuals holding through ETF, Korean investors, etc are in it for the gains. 

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unusual-fire

Bitcoin's endgame isn't settled at all. Except if you just refer to BTC.

otterform

Not an early early adopter, bit I started buying BTC @5000 and ended up with an average pp @7000 USD. I largely ignored it after the first crash thinking I had wasted an opportunity to make money (not talking about huge amounts, less than a BTC, after all it was already expensive for an unproved digital asset) Few years later I noticed I was again in the green, and started tracking with more attention.

palmdata

Sponsored result isn't endorsement. Type the domain yourself or use a saved bookmark, check the spelling, and do a tiny test payment first; once a BTC tx is broadcast there is no chargeback. For anything larger, verify the checkout address on a second screen before sending.

poop-dolla

Your title is incorrect. It only applies to USD at this exact moment. The USD supply will probably keep expanding, which would make the necessary BTC to USD price to go up. And in case it wasn’t clear why the rest of it is wrong, you’re saying the BTC to USD price that would be needed for it to be worth the total supply of a third currency. The exchange rate of USD to the other currency is necessary to determine the USD price of BTC to accomplish what you’re saying, and I can guarantee you it won’t be what it is today. Plus also increased supply of the other currencies too by that time.

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tenor_tymir

I buy double in this bear market and yes, even at these prices I consider BTC in a bear market and buy double of what I usually buy.

Full-Astronaut7576

To catch more BTC. Am I wrong?

Full-Astronaut7576

That is the whole point of my discussion: it really is a guaranteed, risk-free job (I don't want to give details about my life), the only catch is that the salary isn't that high. So, if you had this guaranteed income/job, would you follow this strategy of going into debt by 10% to buy BTC?

fadeddreams555

Bitcoin is a speculative asset that can be invested in rationally or gambled on irrationally. Those aren't the same thing. It has a fixed maximum supply, and history has shown that, without fail, it reaches ATHs 1 year after its halving events that occur every 4 years. Its price is ultimately determined by supply and demand, so with that in mind, it can be treated as an investment. Every other altcoin's value is determined by the performance of Bitcoin. They are simply not independent. As we have also seen time and again, they are also a lot more volatile and extremely risky. Alt season was non-existent the previous cycle, even while Bitcoin increased, and that is because alt season was the event in which people moved their money from BTC to alts when its performance slowed during a bull market. Now, we have ETFs for that.

Full-Astronaut7576

I know... but I would say I am stacking more BTC buying now with a loan instead DCA'ing $350 within 2 years. That is the whole point.

poop-dolla

> and 1 at 149k when they peaked Uh, when exactly was BTC worth $149k? I don’t remember that.

OrganizationBorn7796

Problem is the off ramp. He could always trade BTC for cash at a local meetup

AggravatingGuest1956

Let me stop you right here and save you some regret. Buy BTC or ETH. Maybe put a few ETF’s in your ROTH/401K but don’t go much deeper than that. Imagine the casino rugging you mid-bet. That’s what you’re dealing with for a massive portion of crypto and DeFi.

Remarkable-Cup4535

Anyone telling you to let go now is not following institutional adoption. You should lock away your BTC and just go on living life. Don't spend it, don't cash it out, don't do anything with it. The financial system is gearing up while retail investors are afraid. This is when the smart money accumulates. You've already done that - so stop exhausting yourself by thinking about it. Chase your dreams. Also, the best financial advice will come from an advisor, not Reddit. But I can't imagine selling right now when the big money is quietly moving in.

Objective_Basil_8414

Worth remembering that Liquid's peg is a federation - a fixed set of functionaries holding the BTC in multisig - so "not your keys" applies to the wrapped BTC exactly like it does on any bridge. If issuance can be spoofed, the peg-out queue becomes the attack surface, which is the same failure pattern behind most bridge exploits we've seen.

Right_Ninja5389

Totally agree with you. After coldcard incident it's really difficult to rely fully on self-custody. Even though I'm using BITGET wallet daily transaction but I'm leaving most of my BTC into exchanges. It feel safer actually.

inadyttap

Bought some more BTC 

bitusher

3,400 BTC just returned to the liquid federation. Looks like they were not "white hat" after all as they seem to be keeping 600 BTC as their fee which is an absurd high "reward" fee https://mempool.space/tx/a6d697a25266ce3c78774fd1d75f896b7af522ada209b0f6228ea497bc49a46d

General_Race4271

Ive been following the long side on Moon but Id feel way better about it if we actually spend some time above this level first. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if BTC shakes everyone out once before deciding where it wants to go.

Flashy-Potatoe-Queen

Technically, there are only 3 solid currencies to hold long term, BTC, XMR and KAS.  For the rest you need to be very up-to-date in order to avoid being rugged by the cryptocompany that is in control. Do not click any links people will DM you, their are 100% of the time scammers. Even the friendly ones that haven't sent a link yet, some play the long game. 

Xennenial

BTC and ETH are the only coins I will buy and hold through multiple bull and bear cycles. As for everything else, I buy the mear market and sell the bull market.

nsbhq

Buy and hold. I mainly just buy BTC, ETH and PAXG.

jsh63

Thanks mate. I am shortly retiring to my local for a pint of Titanic plum porter... I get a pound off my first pint of the week and currently get 25% off on Mondays after 5PM - so it costs me £2.45 which is a drop in the ocean compared to the £896.74 my BTC is down today 😄

Fitzmmons

Tbh I think BTC has been remarkably stable during the Iran War and energy crisis. It seems to be working as intended as a safety asset now rather than meme investment which is way better IMO. Last year’s cataclysmic event might have wiped out most of the leveraging players so that BTC lost a large chunk of its volatility. I feel way more comfortable holding now compared to last year when it was around all time high.

Soft_Excitement_9580

I hold a very tiny bit of BTC and I keep asking myself why it won't go to zero. I mean, it is not anonymous (the main selling point to me was that the mafia and co will use it for a long time and so it will go up), it is not fast, it is not anti-systemic as a lot of banks and financial institutions use it. So what's left of its' thesis? Genuinely asking, don't want a flame war or the classic answer - "if you have to ask yourself that it means you shouldn't own it"

mrinvertigo

Nah bro, when printr go brrr BTC go brrr.

richardto4321

Yeah, we're both huge losers for buying BTC back in 2013 and 2014 and sold way in profit 🤣

canadas

We have lots of "BTC ATMS" here in random convivence stores. But the price is generallyridiculous they should be labled as a scam.

Ok_Confusion_1777

Fellow 2013-er. I get it. This space is arguably a lot less interesting now. But hopefully you have benefited financially from your tenure! BTC has another leg to go before it is truly boring and stable as an asset, so I would be inclined to keep it and let another cycle play out. You've come this far so what's one more? Can you collateralize and not pay taxes on the proceeds like we can here in the US? If so you have an infinite money glitch and can fund whatever you need going forward, tax-fre.

Nebour

Isn't this the same scrub whos Liquid network allowed $320 million worth of BTC to be stolen? Lol

TrashDonut

Bro what the fuck Sell Why are you upset about BTC and making a thread about how tired you are ( 🥀 ) when you’re sitting in profit You either made this to brag or need the self-awareness to understand that we don’t care, your problem is not an actual problem

BetterFunny6883

So the block reward in 2036 will be 0.39 BTC which means millions of electricity burnt to create those. That justifies the price obviously. It's a mathematical certainly -- not based on what you feel

Big-Cheetah5159

I agree. I think education is the most critical aspect to solving this problem. Most people don’t even have the knowledge on self verification or how to do so, they don’t run a node, don’t how to open or close a lightning channel, and there is still a percentage of people that are holding on exchanges. Right after the ColdCard incident a lot of people were recommending to move BTC back onto exchanges. Too many of us are average joes when it comes to Bitcoining. Finding and fixing vulnerabilities is whole different ball game, there is not enough testing on the wallet layer of Bitcoin because “we trust the company and their product” (speaking in general).

jsh63

Greed and FOMO -fueled by too much time on Reddit I guess. For clarity, I'm not up 150x because I have sold at various times over the years. I'm thinking about it now because I sat at my desk at 9.30 today and have achieved fuck all because I started checking on BTC 😄

blade747474

I feel like if you’ve been Hodling since 2013 why does it sound like the world is ending. You would have made huge profits so whatever you choose to do is all profits and gains. If it’s all too stressful sell it, pay tax and live your life. It sounds like owning BTC is becoming a burden.

Wilhelm540

At that stage, protecting peace of mind matters as much as maximizing returns. I would think in terms of what BTC allocation you could hold without checking the price constantly, then trim toward that level rather than making one all or nothing decision

rastaFm

So, let me get this straight You invested 2k in BTC in 2013, held since then, partially took some profit. And now you're sitting on a profitable bag moaning and complaining about what to do with this wealth? If this is true — dude, you're so lame!

BlazingPalm

Fold app blends USD banking and BTC wallet. Can buy gift cards and buy/sell BTC. It’s the best, imo!

jungle

Hold on... what? How does that work? Are you saying that you get a loan against your BTC, then you buy btc in the amount equivalent to your interest payments, while you spend the loan money on whatever you fancy, hoping that in 18 months they appreciate enough to pay the principal back? Unless I'm mistaken, that requires the value of btc to increase a crazy amount in that timespan, something that hasn't happened since the first couple of cycles. What am I missing?

slavikthedancer

\> I'm close to retiring (pension age) and I don't need the volatility Who cares? Volatility will be applied on you by force. And I'm talking not about BTC. \> 1. The hassle of getting the cash from an exchange into a UK bank account without friction.  UK has problem.

jsh63

Ahh I see what you are getting at - I have made money on everything i have sold over time but, by "trading" I mean buying and selling the right side of dips - In March 2022 I sold 0.5BTC for £16K and bought it back in November for £7k

rickyharms

BTC is better than fiat and precious metal. Until something better comes along BTC is your best bet for store of value and freedom.

Interesting_Loss_907

If you were class of ‘13 & mostly held for years, selling off portions of your stack in the past 13 years OP, you would’ve made extraordinary gains (further evidenced by your comment about CGT liability on at least one sale, but in I’ll probability you had significant capital gains on most if not all of your sales of BTC). So could you please explain what you mean by only having “one successful trade and that was by accident“? Your tone comes across as negative and the implication of the statement you made was that you actually lost money rather than making extraordinary gains. Could you elaborate? Otherwise, if you just mean you’re tired of it all, and you’re near retirement age, then understood, but the solution there is very easy. In that case, you could just sell off most of your remaining BTC and invest it in non-volatile savings assets.

CarmenBenson

BTC will reach $150K in 2030.

theabominablewonder

Depends what you are pulling and how often, if it’s just BTC and ETH on a daily basis then there’s better alternatives. I do a daily call on coinbase’s API which works fine. I only grab ETH though at the moment.

Kanqon

What makes you believe the authors of those books. BTC in it self is a black swan event - you can learn about the technology, you can learn what has worked trading it, but you can’t learn where it is going. It’s just too young of an asset.

KateR_H0l1day

Nobody, absolutely nobody should be buying BTC for something that might happen in a week or two! People should be looking at time periods in years, absolutely not days/weeks, and months. We’ve been in an accumulation phase for months now, and likely to still be in an accumulation phase for the rest of 2026. And probably for the first half of 2027, because for some reason, people love to wait and jump on bandwagons that are already moving. Rather than getting on board, and getting comfortable, before the bandwagon sets off. 🤷‍♀️

crazybird-thereal

I do mainly DCA (only BTC for crypto). In my global financial strat, I also have specials founds for buy the DIP, like the one in feb-march 2026 (the one in jun-july was better, but i cant predict the future). 3 Big rules : \- I trust BTC will go high. \- I do DCA when i receive salary (not at the end). \- I follow rules I set ( Buy X $ of BTC each month, If BTC bellow X then use DIP founds to buy more, + others asset rules). I never do something in the rush.

miner_guy_22

I don't understand the mindset I see on here often that you have to be 100% in our out. If the volatility is too much just diversify a portion into less volatile assets. For someone that has been in since 2013 and understands/believes in the thesis behind Bitcoin I would always want to have some portion of my wealth in BTC just for insurance. I also find it funny when people complain about having to pay capital gains tax. Yeah, you only have to pay that much because you made a shit ton of profit.

jasonmie

From the pattern, it is possible to reach 5k. However, BTC would have to be at least around ±18xK as the pre-req condition. Only time will tell

jsh63

Life isn't miserable though - I'm just not enjoying the BTC journey like I used to. I have other assets

CoinGate_Gift_Cards

After holding since 2013, I don’t think you need to prove anything to anyone. If the volatility is now affecting your peace of mind and you’re approaching retirement, reducing exposure seems completely reasonable. You don’t have to make it an all-or-nothing decision either. You could sell enough to cover several years of retirement spending or reduce BTC to a percentage of your net worth you’d be comfortable seeing fall 50-70%.

Coininator

Depends how much BTC is of your total wealth. I know the situation you are in. I missed selling last autumn because none of 30 top signals were flashing red. I hope to get out soon but mentally I’m prepared to wait until 2028/2029. If you decide to sell, don’t sell 100%. Keep BTC for 10% of your total wealth for example (an amount small enough to not bother about daily fluctuations, but big enough to have some upside) and sell them later.

Fun-Analysis-182

Someone found a bug that minted Liquid-BTC out of nothing, then cashed it out 1:1 for real BTC through the normal peg-out. The keys were never stolen, the software just couldn't tell the fake coins from real ones, and nothing capped the withdrawal size, so a single bug walked off with almost the entire reserve.

Draganpopart

Just live your life and spend your BTC as you want. Isn’t that the point?

ElephantEarTag

You said you're interested in long-term? Over the long term, all shit coins will bleed back to bitcoin. There may be one month where your favorite coin does super well and outperforms Bitcoin, but in the long run they will all under perform the king. Therefore, I cannot endorse your alts. BTC for the long-term play. If you want to gamble on alts, that's on you, but don't think of it as a long-term investment. Think of it as going to the casino.

KTown_Killa

Hacker steals 320 million in BTC and says they are good whitehat hackers and will give it back but would like a nice tip.

newMoneyStyle

Pretty much agree, BTC with a bit of ETH is the safest bet.