BTC

ChartSage

Holding 1 BTC in 2025 is exactly that movie look where you realize every bad decision you’ve ever made is forgiven as long as you somehow never hit the sell button.

Arch_Lending

Here’s a quick breakdown to answer your questions: 1. LTV varies by lender. Each lender offers different loan-to-value (LTV) ratios. For example, borrowing $4k against $8k of BTC means you’re at a 50% LTV. 2. Not all lenders handle this the same way. Look for a lender that actually protects you and your Bitcoin. A good lender should clearly explain how they help you avoid margin calls, liquidation, or default. 3. Interest rates matter, but security matters more. Rates vary, but don’t just chase the lowest rate. Some lenders offer low rates but rehypothecate your BTC (re-lending or using it to generate yield). Prioritize lenders that provide top-tier security and keep your collateral untouched. 4. We do this. If that’s what you’re looking for, check us out.

EquivalentStock2432

Remind me what the value of BTC is based on

dmitryaus

I think they are done.YTD return MSTR -47.61% vs BTC -5.78%. basically people who invested through a proxy (strategy) lost almost 50%.

CryptoHodlingMoron

Because things like this post can happen in BTC.

fizikxy

The basic advice is that you only invest expendable income and you shouldn‘t invest until you settled debts. After that, buy btc in the bear market and sell in the bull market. Try to DCA in at around the 200w SMA (this has been a good area to buy in for the past 5-10years), sell 75% when everyone and their mom is rushing to buy BTC even when its up 5-10x from your original buy.

uncapchad

it was only for trades BTC/USD1 (WLFI's stablecoin). Apparently very thin order book with little liquidity of that stablecoin . *A large sell order on the BTC/USD1 pair swept through available buy orders, triggering a rapid price drop that created a "wick" on the chart* All other BTC/ pairs were unaffected

Astronaut6735

Who the frack trades BTC/USD1?

Hungry_Hippo_9930

If BTC & ETH are your core I’d keep the rest very selective. For long-term survivability I’d look at infrastructure cash-flow narratives, not next big thing hype. Think along the lines of L1/L2s with real usage and dev activity Oracle data infrastructure One or two DeFi protocols that actually generate fees Even then, I’d keep alts as a minor allocation. Most won’t outperform BTC over 5 10 years, and many won’t survive another full cycle. Longevity narratives.

mjx10

You could start with BTC. If you'll venture to alts, always research and know the risks. Only invest what you can afford to lose.

faita14

My biggest bags besides BTC and Eth currently are; Kaspa, Sui, Avax, link, Sei, Ondo, and Solana.

Russell071966

I agree BTC should be majority of your portfolio

frozennorth0

A 6% in BTC, you don’t say?!

volocom7

That BTC belongs to your baby. It’s not yours. Treat it that way. Your debt is yours. Pay it off in another way

iamjide91

Shows why diversification and understanding the underlying utility of assets is key. Bitcoin is volatile, but DePIN powered projects like $AIOZ offer real world use cases: Web3 streaming, decentralized storage and AI compute, that can provide long term value beyond pure speculation. Come to think of it, that they are a British company doesn't really mean they know what they are doing. However, I still see BTC as long term profitable asset. They'll have to wait to recover what's lost. You don't completely lose until you sell out anyway.

OnairDileas

Btc has no intrinsic value, its a ponzis game and you're not in it. The casino decides when it cashes out. Theres literally nothing that stops btc from actually hitting "0" you can bank that on the GFCs history of stock instances. Wether manipulation or "natural" occurances due to heavily influenced effects of random events. BTC won't be the last bandwagon that people will jump towards, its own scheme. First the spices, then comes the pennies, then Benjamin's. In laymen terms If BTC is the "modern" currency of replacement. There will always be another "BTC". People are dumb and greedy. Put them together and its gambling. You still own nothing, much like numbers on a page, a picture or screen within technology, you're looking at numbers with little to no understanding of what "value" really means.

OnairDileas

Btc has no intrinsic value, its a ponzis game and you're not in it. The casino decides when it cashes out. Theres literally nothing that stops btc from actually hitting "0" you can bank that on the GFCs history of stock instances. Wether manipulation or "natural" occurances due to heavily influenced effects of random events. BTC won't be the last bandwagon that people will jump towards, its own scheme. First the spices, then comes the pennies, then Benjamin's. In laymen terms If BTC is the "modern" currency of replacement. There will always be another "BTC". People are dumb and greedy. Put them together and its gambling. You still own nothing, much like numbers on a page, a picture or screen within technology, you're looking at numbers with little to no understanding of what "value" really means.

antiprosynthesis

Stick to ETH & BTC.

Vegetable-Pepper7772

I’m pretty new too, but I relate to this framing a lot. Once BTC and ETH are the base, I find it hard to think in terms of “picking winners” versus just understanding where something actually sits in the broader market structure. For longer-term stuff, I’ve been trying to look less at narratives and more at how a coin behaves relative to its own history. Does it spend most of its time ranging, or does it actually build higher lows over long periods? I’ve noticed some projects sound great fundamentally but have basically been in distribution for years. I’m still figuring this out, but mapping higher-timeframe ranges and major support zones has helped me stay more grounded. I sometimes sanity-check that kind of structure with tools like ChartScanner.ai just to avoid anchoring to stories instead of price. Curious how others here balance fundamentals with long-term structure without constantly second-guessing themselves.

pablo_in_blood

You don’t have 2801 BTC lol

Vegas_42

BTC and KENDU (first brandcoin with a dedicated community. Token already gone through re-distributiion phase).

LovelyDayHere

Bitcoin Cash is strengthening against BTC. Maybe it's because it sticks to the original goals of the p2p electronic cash system, inheriting its fundamental strengths.

luckychangm

I'm not sure how everyone praises Binance and hails CZ as some godfather of crypto. Binance and CZ are both scammers. The amount of shitcoin listed by Binance is just mind boggling. The rug pull and leveraged token that they can shut down anytime is crazy. I remember when BTC was 12000 I bought their leveraged token and when the prices started going up, they announced that they will close the trading pair and credit the last held balance in USD. Binance is the actual playground for money laundering 😂 I hope this shit exchange bites the dust

Seattleman1955

You don't get it. They aren't "highly" leveraged. The common shareholder is being diluted during most periods. They own a lot of BTC and they have issued a lot of stock to pay for it and they pay a lot in preferred dividends. I could have 1 BTC or a 1,000 but a 1,000 is any better if I have to pay a lot and take on a lot of debt to get it. MSTR mainly buys BTC when BTC is expensive. Why do you think the mNAV is almost 1 at this point? Common shareholders are on to the game and aren't paying a premium. When MSTR started doing this, they could finance at almost zero interest and BTC was at a low. That's why their returns were high. That isn't happened again. Now they finance with diluting shareholders and by pay 10% interest to preferred holders (expensive) and mainly buy when they have a higher mNAV, which is when BTC is at a high. It's not sustainable for many reasons.

Terrible-Pattern8933

True. BTC value prop is censorship resistant payments.

Cryptogirlie

How much is too much? 10 BTC or .10 BTC….. it’s all relative.

TidyOnChain

That would require selling some BTC 😅

Im_le_tired

I’m ok with cheaper BTC.

Mr_WildWolf

lol if you zoom out to one month view this is not even noticeable... unless you are a filthy trader this is a non event movement for BTC

brewmasterlite

Other than BTC and ETH the one that I would feel comfortable with for the long term would be SOL. I would hold and stake

khai0001

BTC hovering around $85k-$90k. What do we think?

RepresentativeAspect

Sell the BTC and put it in the bank. That’s your emergency fund. Go work more and pay off your debt.

Apprehensive_Two1528

He replied this in 2021. Is he square dead inside now in 2025? In October 2011, Nick Allen tweeted: “So glad i didn't buy in on that mess” after the price of Bitcoin (BTC) dropped to around $2.70.  Years later, as Bitcoin prices soared, his original tweet circulated widely on social media platforms like X, Reddit, and Instagram, as an example of a massive missed financial opportunity. When a user in 2021 asked him if he was still alive, he replied with the now-famous quote, "alive but dead inside," succinctly summarizing his regret.  Estimates suggest that if he had invested just $40 at the time of his original tweet, it would have been worth over $1 million when the quote gained traction. 

FilmDazzling4703

It dropped specifically on the BTC/USD1 pairing only on binance due to manipulation. The general market did not drop.

Romanizer

Nothing really. At $1M/BTC, Bitcoin's market cap would still be below gold and therefore still criminally undervalued.

nicholasnichols0000

Who’s gonna rug pull when there were 0 VCs or PE involved? All the tokens went to the community. XRP, cardano, BTC, ETH, avalanche etc. there is nobody to rug. The entire crypto community owns the airdrop, rofl. Btw, it’s up 700% since launch a month ago. Please, do more research because your post is ignorant. Disclaimer: I don’t own any NIGHT. I’ll get a few hundred airdropped to me. Maybe I’ll rug with my $100 worth. LOL. Maybe you’ll rug with your few hundred. This is why it’s up 700%. Because the entire crypto community got the airdrop and 0 went to VC’s. 😂 😭

ThatChrisGuy7

Lol oh BTC you rascal 🤪📉

Familiar-Wear-1894

The fees will chew you up compared to just a BTC only exchange

VariatCA

In the last hour, there's been $200M more shorts than longs. $350M more shorts than longs in only the last 30 minutes... while BTC is up $1000. What the hell are they fighting so hard for, even while stocks are still just steadily grinding their way up.

ztfrey

The value of the USD most likely breaks before 1M BTC if its in the near future. I think necessity will hit most folks before common sense. Source: i know shit about fuck

R4ID

> First doesn’t mean best - or good! And XRP proved that as did BTC

No_South_9912

BTC doesn't follow conventional logic. Best you can do is buy the dip.

indomitus1

Be prepared to lose it all should BTC tank. If comfortable with that then go ahead

LegitimateDream4942

It won’t happen. Competition will come in. Market share will be distributed. Even today nobody can acquire BTC in large amounts without others noticing and making it a race.

StackingSats1300

Ownership doesn't give control over the network. The only thing that consolidation does is prevent adoption by others. Is that a problem? Unknown. Additionally, noone will be able to out buy MSTR without sending the price parabolic. MSTR has just over 3% of the coins in existence. Jack Mallers from 21 is going to start building a business to earn more Bitcoin but he has roughly 600,000 coins to earn to pass Saylor. Having two such companies regularly smash buying Bitcoin should be positive for the asset price, slowing down accumulation. Finally, at some point in 2026, your 401k and such for USA citizens will let you buy BTC. I would bet many Bitcoin believers will utilize this feature. When this happens, many coins will go into 401k balances that aren't touched for decades. This puts more coins out of reach for others to buy - preventing a mass accumulation like MSTR.

lookingglass91

BTC purchasing power is limitless BTC will only ever have 21m coins 🧡

arpbsr

Sell all BTC and pay your debts. Wait for BTC to hit bottom around next year and buy again when uptrend starts🙏🙏🙏

002_timmy

Once you get 1 BTC, you want to get 2 BTC. Nothing really changes besides a little bit more confidence in your day-to-day knowing you have a whole coin

VariatCA

Dang, I settle in after dinner, sit down and finally muster up the interest to check the charts... and see a +2% candle for BTC in just 30 minutes!

Kesilisms

The price cycle is fundamentally psychological to begin with. The 4 year halving creates a reminder of accelerating scarcity, savy investors are reminded there is limited time to acquire, so they buy which drives the price up. Normies get excited about a new ATH and pile in as a latent FOMO reaction. Day traders rug pull the normies at the top, taking profits and scaring away all the weak hands. Price dives and balances out to a new bottom where Hoddlers hold the line and buy the discount BTC, creating an unbreakable support level. Rinse and repeat. This is just how we as a species behave.

Odd_Chemical_420

Well, check out bittensor. BTC and TAO will probably be all that I might still hike in next run.

TidyOnChain

BTC is limitless

TidyOnChain

Now he holds BTC

inShambles3749

You are already done, keep the BTC and don't touch it.

EvaTSmith447

Man, you got to be kidding me; the aLtCoInS; crypto is going to be exclusively CBDC when the dust settles, and there will be a financial crisis that will more than likely surmount the likes of 2008 left in its wake, as it was engineered to be. BTC and co. was just a trial run for a tokenized fractional reserve system.

Optimal-Presence-786

1BbjZhNgT9vJoFgvzj4FqoN4SniNeLN4it Would someone check this BTC wallet address for me. I just found this BTC Lealana coin that says 25 BTC on it with the address on it. It’s one that was in the box of coins from last weekends trip to Preston Hollow in Dallas at an Estate sale. It was in a small envelope that said “Vending Machine Coins” unfortunately It’s not graded. I want to sell it for $2500 or sell all of these coins for a bulk price.

Skyobliwind

For sure Binance will roll back all these accidents? Not? A no I forgot they only do that on small single orders. If someone randomly had a BTC buy order open on 25k that will be rolled back /not filled. But the rest will pass through...

so-many-user-names

The BTC CEO has been very quiet lately.

yurk23

Can’t wait to see BTC hit 95k in the next day or so only to fall back down to 80k

Ikki_The_Phoenix

Here's what you actually need to do. 1.Buy a cold wallet (Trezor or Coldcard, NOT Ledger) 2.Transfer the BTC to cold wallet 3.Write down seed phrase, store it safely 4.FORGET ABOUT IT FOR 10 YEARS Use that time to pay off the $30k debt Anything else is just mental masturbation or people shilling their altcoin that has been down from its 2021 top. BTC is the only proven coin which the price rebound and hit new ATHs.

Sevenss

Honestly, I’d recommend only getting into crypto if you have disposable income that you can afford to lose without it affecting your family or financial stability. If you’re set on diving in, start by waiting for market pullbacks and thoroughly researching projects and their fundamentals. Avoid getting swept up in hype, fancy tech jargon, or buzzwords. If you catch yourself feeling FOMO, pause and think it through … it’s a common trap. Above all, don’t chase highs or buy at market tops. Overall, I’d suggest sticking with Bitcoin (BTC) as your entry point. Even established options like Ethereum (ETH) and Solana (SOL) carry significant risks, especially as we’re heading into what looks like a bear market; prices can drop further than anyone expects. Finally, explore custody options that match your comfort level, such as self-custody, ETFs, or even treasuries for a more secure approach. Look into DCA methods.

Due-Ship-9304

If you "know" (think about this word in this context) then just short BTC and you won't need credit when it will reach bottom. Then just flip to the long side and you are done 👍 

Ikki_The_Phoenix

A lot of this advice is just mental masturbation. He can simply learn how to operate a cold wallet, secure his seed phrase, buy BTC, move on with his life and check back in 10 years..

cryptoheh

Why not just buy BTC - there is literally no reason to think a company that just uses leverage to buy BTC will outperform BTC if you’re that bullish on it?

FilmDazzling4703

1 answer no DMs regarding this post, or at all tbh. If they have anything helpful they should be comfortable posting it here for everyone to see. 2 start learning about the tech. The block chain, the mining process, how the network works, wallets and addresses. Learn as much as you can. And learn about why BTC matters. Read Broken Money by Lyn Alden and The Bitcoin Standard, or whatever books you want on the topic. 3 get a COLD wallet asap. Many different products out there, once you understand what this is and the difference between a cold and hot wallet, do research on which product will work best for your needs, which imo in your case should be holding it long term. Not going to recommend any product but the one I have seen people caution against is ledger. Hope this helps. Sit on the bitcoin and try as best as you can to attack that debt aggressively. But with your baby if you won’t be able to start working on that debt, sitting on the BTC for 5-10 years will guarantee you can pay it off with the BTC some point down the line IMO

FilmDazzling4703

#1 answer no DMs regarding this post, or at all tbh. If they have anything helpful they should be comfortable posting it here for everyone to see. #2 start learning about the tech. The block chain, the mining process, how the network works, wallets and addresses. Learn as much as you can. And learn about why BTC matters. Read Broken Money by Lyn Alden and The Bitcoin Standard, or whatever books you want on the topic. #3 get a COLD wallet asap. Many different products out there, once you understand what this is and the difference between a cold and hot wallet, do research on which product will work best for your needs, which imo in your case should be holding it long term. Not going to recommend any product but the one I have seen people caution against is ledger. Hope this helps. Sit on the bitcoin and try as best as you can to attack that debt aggressively. But with your baby if you won’t be able to start working on that debt, sitting on the BTC for 5-10 years will guarantee you can pay it off with the BTC some point down the line IMO

Easik

Well mNAV is 1.08, so you are paying 0.08 premium on the BTC with counter party risk. I'd rather just own BTC in this particular scenario. If the price was $115 and mNAV was under 1, then absolutely. It's also unlikely the mNAV is ever up at the 2.5x-4x range again.

FromThePits

You will never buy coffee with BTC I will never buy coffee with BTC If that was what you expected to do with it, then BTC have failed enormously. Where we do disagree is probably that I don't anticipate to ever pay for my coffee with any independent crypto ever. That doesn't take away the utility that I do find within BTC to have great potential. Just not as pocket money, no matter what the original vision was. Couldn't care less, to be honest.

Baecchus

Keeping that BTC as BTC without doing anything for a few years is probably your best bet.

bbatardo

There is a direct correlation between fear and negativity. BTC Fear and Greed index is still fear. If BTC can revlaim 100k you will see less FUD.

Gbb331

Yeah tether is backed and we know this because it's not audited ever... but we have their word. And what pumped BTC from 5-10k to 120k :D yeah that's right..

Seattleman1955

You don't understand Strategy as a stock. Over time, BTC will do better than MSTR.

WormCastings

Buying anything other than BTC until you do some research.

kontherocks

US dollar gives worth to BTC so there's that. 

Nyanzerfaust

I know how to pick dates too. BTC went from $16,000 to $126,000 in two years. What more do you want?

Gnassshhhh

I made a post on this subreddit years ago. Saying how I was thinking about dropping out of college to pursue this “Bitcoin” thing. I was fucking clowned on, everyone called me stupid. It really kind of hurt my self-confidence. As someone who happily does not go to college, but lives at home and chills. I would tell you to not make a post like this. The reality is that no one is going to understand you. No one above the age of 25 understands the financial struggles of people graduating now. They sure as hell don’t understand BTC. Buy BTC, stack sats. Don’t fucking waste your time listening to other people.

dividedSt8s

What makes you think BTC didn’t already hit its “parabolic” time? I don’t think it’s realistic to think it’s going to have multiple thousand percent increases anymore. Maybe that’s just me.

Boring-Bus-3743

Neither did I, made me worried about my BTC loan getting liquidated lol

Loud_Movie_8484

I honestly leveraged 0% credit cards with 5% one time fees for 12 months. Then I did a ton of research and got into AI / Materials but not the norms. I must say though I got TSLA at $219 and others like that. Then I just started following and investing. It all came to and end when I had $50k in OPEN and riding it up on a Reddit push. Quick $7k but it dropped 10 mins later. That day I sold everything b/c I saw its a problem. But I got out b/c I had to pay off my leverage. I had TSLA, MP, Goog, CIEN, ABAT, QS, TE, really cool buys and man they’re up like 300% some of them. Since I was leveraged I had to sell. I spent a week depressed b/c of FOMO. For BTC I’m buying now but no leverage. B/c I have no intention to sell.

oneymac

The trade of the year was silver, those in know buy silver and BTC.

Seattleman1955

I don't focus on negativity or positivity. I always welcome intelligent discussion and I don't see a critical comment as "negativity". True, must of the discussion is just inexperience, like a Gamestop forum, but the fact is, reality is all that matters. The future isn't predictable but you can approach it will some reality. I don't think a 4 year cycle applies but there is a general business cycle involved in anything. It's just not that clear cut as to the timing. My expectations for Bitcoin in 2030 are more like $350k, but that's just me. I think 2026 will be a decent year for Bitcoin. I also think that after 2030 or so, Bitcoin will be a fairly mature market by then and will just mainly stay ahead of inflation soon after that (including dollar debasement) so maybe 15% growth. In my opinion the discussion would be more intelligent with all the "generational wealth, whole coiner, I like it when it goes down so I can buy more, I'll never sell, 1 BTC = 1 BTC, kind of cliche and nonsense but that's probably expecting too much.:)

watch-nerd

Because people sold their shit coins and are sitting on cash, waiting to buy BTC at lower prices.

Suspicious-Skill1934

This fud is justified, since BTC heading down. Whats wrong to tell the thruth to people, we should say it will moon?

Important_Divide5403

Apparently not true? https://x.com/ltrd_/status/2004141624612245650?s=46 “got up from christmas chilling just to tell you that: please, verify the content. I do not know this person, but almost everything that has been said by @CryptoNobler is unfortunately wrong: 1. It's not billion-dollar manipulation. Actually, the trade that caused this event was made on 0.23332 BTC. The VWAP price of the trade was $76149 actually, and the value of trade was... $17767.24! It's not billion-dollar manipulation, it's a blind market order on highly-illquid asset where even $10-20k market order can cause something like that. 2. Insiders did not go all-in short. It was one person that made a market order (see the chart). And as I said, the trade was made on less than $20k value. 3. It did not cause any liquidations, there is nothing in the data that confirms the hypothesis. It was just one trade. Also, collateral value for BTC for multi-asset mode or other programs is calculated based on index and this price should not make any problems for people holding BTC for collateral. 4. The person that did the trade lost about $2436 because of market impact - definitely did not "run off with the profits after liquidating long".

coffeeCup_45

Children will become accustomed to very large numbers when looking at the price of BTC. As adults they might buy alts in response to price, or not. They might prefer to invest and pay the "Bitcoin Premium."

dataCollector42069

Metals pumping and BTC shitting the bed

nugymmer

You fucking serious? The dev locks up their supply and releases it over time. Why would you trust anything where the tokens are locked up by the dev team or “chosen ones” like with HBAR? C’mon man fuck that. Don’t be a victim, stick with BTC. The rest is fucking sea foam.

ThunderousActress

if major banks really believed btc was about to replace sovereign debt, polymarket odds on macro outcomes like BTC overtakes gold or CBDCs die would be much tighter. Instead traders price btc as a risk asset with macro exposure, not the backbone of global credit

nugymmer

That one might die too. And oh no the guy mentioned fucking SOL. That one might die too. Oh, and ETH. What kind of idiot thinks that anything other than BTC will survive. Only fuckwits believe in fairytales. Any “crypto” where the dev owns huge chunks should be very cautious with. SOL and ETH are alts. BTC is the only one that counts. Bye.

Kempatsu

99% of crypto IS scam which is why Bitcoin is the only asset worth staying in. The one asset that even the Biden admin had to admit it wasn't a security and approved an ETF. If you buy any other crypto that is not BTC, presume you will be rug pulled.

dividedSt8s

You can tell it’s your first cycle. Since 2017 gold has gone up ~280%. Since the same time BTC is up ~2800%. I did my own research.

evisionret

Ah I see it sounds like an options contract, however wouldn't that give me a lower ROI than just investing in the asset I doubt it will 2x in a year or 2, BTC has a higher chance if hypothetically drops to 50-60k range.

BaluDaBare

Heck yeah dude! Finally hit 0.01 over here! Took a little longer than anticipated, but my goal is 1 BTC in 5-7yrs. As long as it doesn’t get super pricey.

Repulsive-Cupcake567

The fact that gold is not used in transactions is an insurmountable flaw of gold, unlike gold, BTC is a protocol and can overcome this flaw. In fact, gold will never be able to surpass the value it had when it was used as a medium of exchange and unit of account.

Unusual_Stick3682

Just fricken Google it dude. "WHAT TIME DOES BTC DAILY CANDLE CLOSE"

cowboyabel

It's BTC/USD1

GachaponPon

Thanks. From what I found exchange-held BTC has fallen by 1.1 million coins since mid 2022 while ETF-held BTC has grown from zero in 2022 to about 1.3 million coins. That would imply flat growth or slight shrinkage in wallet ownership.

Flashy-Guarantee9104

lol that's tough love. For the OP, yes you actually have no idea what you are talking about, and neither does anyone in this sub cause no-one can predict prices. Long story short, be careful specially if you are thinking on taking on debt to dump it onto BTC or anything else for that matter

Loud_Movie_8484

I think you save like 5k. Develop your LLM figure out an investing thesis and do day trading to build it into a big stack then move to your final BTC dream

Easik

If you want to be equally as dumb without a loan you can sell naked calls on IBIT for October and buy puts on IBIT for October, then close the puts at your price target and buy BTC.