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Jaded_Bullfrog3978

I expect 10-15 years in the future there will be extremely solid DeFi options, BTC holders will probably get loans for extremely low APY. Just not there quite yet.

OffbeatBat

Perhaps it is the government recovering scammers’ crypto. They can’t keep it or return it, so they burn it. Or Scammers themselves. It was easy to steal BTC back in those days. So the scammers have been using what they want of the whole stash since then but now are in imminent danger of being discovered. They got rid of some of or all of the remaining evidence.

MonsutaReipu

People just holding BTC aren't the ones suffering. Alts are being annihilated, especially smaller market cap ones. And god forbid you were holding any memecoins, those are down 90% or more. BTC dips 1% and alts go down 5%. BTC recovers 1% and alts recover 2%. This bear market has been a slow bleed on every single alt coin just draining the liquidity from the entire market while BTC crabs.

palebloodslayer

You can’t destroy BTC. However, you can destroy fiat

palebloodslayer

How is merchants not accepting it BTC’s fault?

pitalik

BTC is different from the rest of crypto.

Wolfkurt1

That’s good I hope never pas , that law is not good for nature of crypto , you delusionals keep saying good good no bro you are clueless, they will rule freedom of decentralized assets , do you all really understand decentralized ? Why BTC first place exist ?

HopiumTrump

In 2021, A Centoshi (0.01 BTC) was $600+ while a share of SPY was $440. In 2025, A centoshi was $1100-1250 when SPY was $600. If you think Bitcoin underformored the Stock market, you need to ask yourself why you didn't sell when a Centoshi could have bought you 2 shares of the Spy. From top to top, Bitcoin did not underperform the stock market as a whole.

SeaworthinessFast161

BTC in 2025

ThatInternetGuy

It won't move BTC because there were enough buyers or liquidity to absorb the sell order. But if it were 10x larger, it would have moved the market noticeably.

NoInterraction

I also have a wallet that I lost the access keys to and it is cold and dead, feel free to burn your BTC to my cold dead wallet all you want

enough_of_this_crap

Many saw bitcoin being slowly co-opted and they desperately tried to sound the alarm. They got met with ridiculous arguments by most of the BTC movers & shakers....... arguments that have now been proven by time to be.... ridiculous. It's going to get much worse soon, too.

devCheckingIn

His company moved a bunch of BTC to an exchange in prep for a sale most likely. He was probably trying to pump it so they could get a better sell price. This is what every big BTC owner is doing, but with Trump he's just in your face honest about the scam.

liviughg

You’re right that liquidity structure changed. But not in the way you expect; “there will never be another alt season” is too absolute and shortsighted 🤡🤡🤡. I smell rat (BTC maxi propaganda, the one true religion… 🤮) Liquidity didn’t disappear; it became selective. Instead of everything pumping, capital now concentrates into fewer winners. 🤑 AI coins already proved speculative rotation still exists. The old “all alts pump” cycle may be dead, but speculation in crypto is definitely not. Educate yourself!

Lord_Gudda

Wonder what kind of event could make BTC go from 74k to 30k. Satoshis wallet dumping combined with saylor? That or Russian and china declaring war on Europe & USA.

KCConnor

11.5% for a secured loan, secured by BTC of all things, is pure rubbish. If your credit is worth anything at all, you should be able to get an unsecured loan in 5 figures for under 10%. Yes you'll need to make scheduled payments to pay it off in fiat in contrast to a secured crypto lender that will just compound the debt and liquidate the collateral when you hit X% LTV, but I'd rather make planned fiat payments to compensate for a large strategic BTC purchase. Starts to feel real good, making $500 monthly payments 2 years in on an investment that is up 400%.

Lord_Gudda

Man BTC is really fighting that support wick from 23 may.

Serenaded

Anyone fudding this has a vested interest (Bitcoin) in doing so. Quantum Doomsday is absolutely real and it's going to come far quicker than people realise, USA (and obviously other global powers) are funneling money into R&D. They're also the same guys who just dumped BTC on you. It is not a question of "if" at all, it is "when", so position accordingly. No one is saying "if" anymore. As far as crypto goes when it comes to quantum, it's hard to tell what is the best project in a post quantum world. But I do know it will not be bitcoin, they're the only chain with that gets absolutely f--ked with this.

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devCheckingIn

There is a ton of BTC being pulled from the ETFs. Even Saylor's buys can't keep up with that.

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Post is by: Kurosaki56843 and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1tpmeal/crypto_was_supposed_to_make_banks_obsolete_what/ Maybe I'm getting old but I remember when the whole point of crypto was to not need a bank, to stop asking permission to use your own money. No more 3-5 business day transfers, no more overdraft fees, no more manager deciding if your wire looks sus today. That was the pitch and why I got in. But it seems somewhere along the way we lost the plot. Now half this space loses its mind every time a bank CEO says something mildly positive. Jamie Dimon calls Bitcoin a fraud for a decade, threatens to fire his own traders for touching it, lobbies against every piece of crypto-friendly legislation he can - then pivots to tokenization has a future and suddenly he's a visionary. These are the people who tried to bury this thing. They didn't have a change of heart, they just realized they can't kill it so now they want a cut. And we're letting them in. ETFs put a custodian between you and your Bitcoin. Stablecoins increasingly need bank partners to exist. Most "crypto products" just reroute your money back through the same legacy pipes with a blockchain receipt stapled to it. We're rebuilding the exact system we were supposed to escape. Real adoption to me is pretty simple - when did you last actually need your bank for something? Not out of habit, genuine necessity. Because I look at my own situation and honestly can't give a good answer anymore. Been using Nexo for a couple years, tried Ledn too for a bit - the money just sits there working instead of rotting in a checking account, and when I needed a bigger chunk of cash last year I just borrowed against my BTC instead of selling it. Didn't have to explain myself to anyone, no approval process, done in minutes. That's closer to the original idea than anything Jamie Dimon has to say about it. Anyway, not trying to be preachy about it, just find it strange that the milestone we celebrate is a banker's approval rather than making bankers irrelevant. That was always the goal wasn't it? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

JerseyJimmyAsheville

Traditionally, BTC has always surpassed its ATH by the next halving event, so that means we should be back to $126K in another 21 months from now. The cycle says will hit cycle lows in October, but this bear cycle seems to be stretching out to 13-14 months instead of 12 months. Although we are about 40% down from ATH’s we are lagging the bear cycle by almost 2 months at this point. Only time will tell if the cycle is still in tact.

pixel_garden

I think people underestimate how bad it feels emotionally to sell BTC during a dip just because you need the money for real life expenses. 

WastelandOfConfusion

BTC is still massively overpriced. There’s a large correction incoming. That’s when all the newbies are going to learn a very difficult lesson about crypto.

fan_of_hakiksexydays

It seems like every time chips and AI have another great performance, BTC underperforms. Which gets more and more people to drop crypto and jump on the chips and AI train. Which makes them pump more from the money coming in, while BTC drops even more from all the money leaving. And it becomes a vicious circle.

WastelandOfConfusion

I hereby predict $10trillion BTC by next month!

Opportunityfind3r

BTC and ETH DCA is exactly the right starting point. Forget price levels for now - consistent buying over time beats trying to time entries every single cycle.

CryptoOnTheSidewalk

I don’t think it’s dumb, but I’d probably separate “money I need on a deadline” from longer-term BTC savings. Flights and hotels are the kind of expenses where volatility suddenly feels very real if the market drops 20% the month before the trip. I still like using BTC as part of savings personally, but anything tied to a fixed date usually goes into something boring and stable once the timeline gets closer. Makes the trip way less stressful and you’re not sitting there hoping the chart cooperates before vacation.

TRASHTALKINGCOCKSTAR

Needs to get done by August because congress will turn its attention to campaigning for midterms by then. My prediction is if it doesn’t get done, the bear market drags on for another couple years. If it gets done, I think we will see a bull market for BTC/ETH with new pools of institutional capital coming in. I could be super wrong about that though, please DYOR!

account009988

Sell. Solana is down only against BTC and ETH.

caabiaahonda

They just drive to the moon, JAAAAA BTC WUNDABAR XD

TeslaTorah

The issue isn’t whether BTC eventually recovers. The issue is whether it recovers before your trip. Timing matters when the expense is fixed. 

Warm_Pressure_3977

There was actually a small ALT cycle around April 2024 and little in 2025. I don't think it's the ALT cycle that was the issue but more the drop that followed. Most Alts are down 90%. Will they come back? Honestly, I agree with you and say no. Meme crazy is done. Retail has been burned. Useful projects - ETH, SOL - which both have issues, NEAR, and others in top 100 - possibly but even some of them will vanish. BTC will be fine. True, alt run in in earlier cycles was during QE not QT. Rates are higher, everything costs more and lots of macro uncertainity. If that goes away, can we run? Sure. Too bad it won't be for a long time.

QuirkyGlove3326

Buying anything other than BTC or ETH.

Tubby94

Don't you see what's going on with BTC backed digital credit? We are still in early innings.

Strevolution

the real question is how will the BTC burn if the wallet is cold? 🤔

FriendsMade_MeDoIt

2.5% on BTC is tempting but I’m still paranoid about parking a decent stack on exchanges long term. A couple of my friends use Kraken and trust it way more than most platforms though, so I get the appeal if it’s just a portion you’re comfortable risking. Feels more like a “better than letting it sit” move than something I’d go all in on.

ImDeepState

Yep. Early is buying BTC at $0.74 or $7.40, not $74,962. No one getting in now is early. The real question is if it is still worth buying?

StaticAutomatic202

Actually, it does. Even if we take BTC to zero from here, if there is value to be found in RWA and money to be made, that specific sector will have to become independent from the rest of the market eventually. Most companies from the dot-com bubble are not around anymore, but the bubble itself didn’t kill the tech industry…

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FromThePits

It's a visualization of the dwindling supply of BTC. 20 million have been released in 17 years, but only 2.5 million is still accessible on open exchanges. 17 years more and you will probably struggle to find significant bitcoin in the wild. It will become institutionalized, extremely valuable and largely owned and utilized by hedgefunds, governments and cooperations ..unless you secure your fair share, while you still can. So.. got yours?

altcoinomy-noe

Of course, with the initial BTC collateral acquired through a bank loan.

RichBrokeRich

Keep your short term spending in secure options, like a HYSA. Dumping trip money into BTC is going to hurt if it takes a dive as you get closer to your trip.

CrazyAppel

with Kraken no, the reason u can get 2.5% apy on Kraken is because there is no insurance regulation in place for CEX custodial services, meaning if Kraken goes insolvent, you will be labeled as an unsecured creditor and you wont get anything reimbursed. This is why ETFs and TradFi pegs came to existence, because then you can offload risk to a regulated entity so the custody is their problem not yours, if BTC then crashes, you have options for insurance coverage etc... which you simply don't have with CEX like Kraken.

Salamandrine88

Drift and rsETH were the actual stress test and CeFi held up because their risk isn't recursive the way DeFi composability is. When one protocol blows up contagion runs through everything that accepted it as collateral. Pulled my borrowing off Aave after rsETH, moved to Bybit Loans for USDC against BTC. Fixed rate, no contagion path. Trade-off is custody but fine for borrowed positions Tether contracting for the first time since 2018 is the data point that actually matters. Real deleveraging at institutional level

Medium_Change4574

Exactly. Bear cases grow, bull cases fade (digital gold, hedge against inflation, ...). BTC lost the plot. One day the only crypto worth buying could be memecoins because they are a plain and simple gamble and nothing more, as stupid as that sounds. Everything else is not worth it compared to equities.

jclaslie

Does it really matter if BTC just keeps taking and the whole industry goes down with it?

devCheckingIn

If you zoom out on the chart you see that BTC spends about three years in a combined bear market / price recovery phase. Then there's about a year where it trades around or above the previous ATH before dumping again. Compare it to the stock market indices where corrections are generally shorter, and for the most part the charts are up and to the right. Why hold an asset that's going to have three years of doldrums? Only gold and silver are worse than that.

Confident_Worker_203

The idea of BTC as «hard money» with a supply cap always made sense to me, but it took me longer to realise that fiat will inevitably be inflated on a permanent basis. Then I was unsure whether BTC could survive from a technical perspective. The latter concern disappeared after its 2020 comeback. Crypto more generally clicked for me when I realised it essentially implies that it ideally is a technology to «automate trust». It can potentially - in certain cases - verify that something is true, where before you either just had to trust it or needed some other way to verify validity.

Mattie_Kadlec

I know it's just a coincidence but Saylor has the exact amount of BTC right now

Medium_Change4574

Why would institutions and big money want to buy BTC in the future just to make a single sucker like Saylor ultra rich? Dude is literally slowly killing BTC. Maybe he's a government psyop after all, "kill BTC by using their own money"

BetterSeesaw

A millionaire with 0.16 BTC. Keep on dreaming boy

trunksta

Plenty of reasons to move coins do you know how many types of BTC addresses there are

Proximus84

I've never understood how people are so comfortable transferring these huge BTC amounts in single transactions, when one number/letter wrong could ruin your life.

Numerous_Ruin_4947

There goes BTC's security budget. Meanwhile ETH staking supply is at an ATH. BTC is trading at a 6x snowflake premium against ETH.

LearnBitcoinCom

An address for which no private key is known, effectively removing any BTC sent there from circulation. [https://www.learnbitcoin.com/glossary/burn-address](https://www.learnbitcoin.com/glossary/burn-address)

Technical_Leader6979

depends on where you are tbh. like if you're in the US or EU the big exchanges work fine for cashing out, but I have a friend in Nigeria who basically can't use half of them so he's stuck with P2P options. for me it's mostly about fees and speed. i used to just sell on coinbase but the spread was killing me on larger amounts. switched to doing P2P trades on BitValve for a while and it was... fine? not fancy but I could pick my payment method and negotiate rates directly which helped. the trust thing is real tho. nobody wants to send crypto and then get ghosted waiting for fiat. that's why i think reputation systems on P2P platforms matter more than people realize. escrow helps too obviously. privacy is another big one depending on your situation. some of those smaller cash-out sites have pretty invasive KYC for what amounts to just selling your BTC. kinda defeats the purpose for some people.

devCheckingIn

The mining companies have pivoted to AI, that's why they're pumping with tech. Most have announced contracts where they're moving away from BTC mining to datacenter / AI work. Their electricity infrastructure is very valuable to AI.

Lord_Gudda

Stocks don't give a shit what crypto does. But if SPY falls or any of the other AI stocks...BTC will fall and ALTs will collapse.

para1131_F33L

You cannot burn BTC. There is no burn address. Sick of this fake announcement in all my subs.

jazy510

> Barely over it's last all time high it hit 0.14 BTC / ETH back in June 2017....

jonnyCFP

lol since I have no knowledge in trading patterns this might as well read “BTC Poop and scoop pattern” sets target for 250k minimum

longonbtc

It looks like they purchased BTC on a peer-to-peer cryptocurrency exchange platform. OP censored the username of the person that posted the sell listing. OP paid using Perfect Money. The screenshot even says "Bitcoins released" which means that the BTC was released to OP from escrow.

BaldBear_13

why? It is likely a passenger recording this video. The BTC van has driver on the left, and there are trees and houses on the right.

b1mm3rl1f3

Wow, 10th comment from that daily "BTC in a battle for $20k. Really wonder if it’ll hold." Ha. BTC really is just a loop, time and time again. You're right though, the sentiment right now is devastating. Feels like we're near, if not already at capitulation. Watching stocks run ATHs even had me questioning to switch over, I could've quadrupled my NW by now. Seeing OG's exit the space just smells like peak exhaustion. But you only ever hear an asset is dead after the price is already down. RemindMe! 2 years

Chuckychinster

I gotta be honest, it's hard to understand your criticisms when you're saying BTC is distinguished from these "centralized" coins. If you want real decentralization... options are thin. XMR is the only coin that I ever shill, and it's usually things like this. When people talk about crypto and what it was "supposed to be", if that's the line of thinking then XMR is the only coin I personally know of to preserve utility, privacy, AND decentralization.

Extreme-Benefyt

Mt. Gox losing \~850k BTC is still wild. Between hacks and the bankruptcy mess, a ton of people got wrecked and it basically hardwired the whole "not your keys" mindset into crypto

Otherwise_Rain431

Dude, everything is gonna be alright. Don't worry, ''they'' want you to feel like shit. Don't forget ''they'' are buying right now. And if BTC dips lower, ''they'' will buy the dip The impatient lose this game, the patient reaps the rewards Stay strong and DCA We'll be fine

Present-Ad-9703

Honestly this is why a lot of people eventually simplify back to BTC. Less moving parts, less chasing narratives, less temptation to overcomplicate investing.

reids1

Said the same thing when this was posted in the BTC sub yesterday (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1to7tvn/once\_you\_realize\_there\_is\_a\_database\_600\_dead/) lol

Mirved

Who says they cant? There is no burn adress on the BTC chain. Its all just claims without any proof.

DuckHub42

Naaah man, do BTC only... jesus all these alts u listed are burning pit fires tht will never do jack shit besides lose money for the holders... was a big sol head but even i stopped , orange only and the rest stocks Dump the alts and get rich, mark my words

Space_L

Is it really worth waiting and buying BTC in November/December, when the price is supposedly at its lowest? Or should I just DCA?

Liskpro_com

Hey, really sorry to hear this. Losing 2 BTC is genuinely devastating and I hope you're doing okay. A few questions before giving up hope — "lost wallet" can mean different things: **There might still be hope depending on your situation:** - **Do you still have your seed phrase (12 or 24 words)?** If yes, your Bitcoin is NOT lost — you can restore it to any wallet instantly - **Do you have the wallet file (.dat or similar)?** You may be able to recover it with tools like Wallet Recovery Services - **Was it a software wallet?** Check old computers, USB drives, cloud backups — wallet files hide in unexpected places --- If the funds are truly unrecoverable, I'm truly sorry. But let this be the lesson for everyone reading: **the seed phrase is everything.** The wallet app is just software — the seed phrase is your actual money. **For future storage**, a hardware wallet makes this much harder to happen accidentally. Options range from Ledger/Trezor (~€70-150) to more affordable ones like Satochip (~€25, open-source, card format). The key is storing the backup seed phrase separately and securely — a dedicated device like a Seedkeeper can help with that too. Bleib stark, Freund. 🙏

erjo5055

Someone is mad that he's 90% shitcoins The most insane AltSeason is in the past, when there was genuine belief that BTC is old tech and might be replaced.

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Negative_Salt_4599

Or you could do terrible and lose everything because it’s just gambling. You can’t make real money on BTC. Why not space stocks. It’s the new frontier.

cyger

Agreed AI, is in a major growth phase, and likely will be for the next 5 years or so at least. Of course we could have major pull backs, but the trend is up. Over the last couple of years I've sold a bunch of BTC for AI stocks. Also after last October I sold most of my alts and bought AI stocks and our up big. Still holding BTC and Solana bags, but AI exposure is a must (wait for a pull back though).

Civil_Store_5310

Nope, BTC, gold

SensitiveAd6131

Technology is a train with only one direction. Once any process can be upgraded it will be so. It doesn’t matter the bumps, regulations or anything really that steps in the way. I’d say we are very early and i’ll also say that right now it’s basically undercover. People only talk about price action and not about infrastructure which is what is really going to make it. I like to think of crypto or blockchain as a “city”. BTC would be the bank Etherum would be the computer Cardano would be congress XMR would be the red light district LINK would be the eyes of them all In the end Blockchain is an opportunity for humanity of scaping the vicious cycles that end civilizations, greed, printing money, corruption… It still presents challenges tho.. if the world is digital and on smart contracts there’s little to none room for negotiation. If the world is digital if you aren’t digital too you won’t exist and won’t be able to survive. I would apply buffets: Buy fundamentals and hold instead of chasing green candles. The cheaper you buy the better.

Spare-Dingo-531

> the true value proposition behind BTC is that it is limited in supply. The limited supply will be BTC's downfall. Once the security budget gets low enough, bitcoin will get reorganized by monero. Furthermore, because bitcoin has limited supply, each halving has diminishing returns. This is something you can even measure and quantify. The diminishing returns of each halving should catch up with bitcoin in the next 4 years, this previous cycle was the final cycle to get any returns. > of the fundamentalists have been stubborningly focused on not caring about price because they think it will follow with utility This is the reason why ETH is the L1 with the second highest market cap and the main reason why Ethereum will overtake Bitcoin one day.

Quick-Advertising-17

They probably have a shitload and are trying to pump it. Get people talking to raise interest, run stories about how BTC is even more valuable now that X number of coins are gone. Try to get the price up to find some new bag holders. Consider they have hundreds of wallets with a bunch of BTC in each, why not burn a few coins to see if they can get a pump going, and then once ATH is reached, dump the remaining to the new bag holders. Or maybe they're just bonkers.

turbo5vz

I'm an ETH holder, but have to admit that from a price action standpoint the true value proposition behind BTC is that it is limited in supply. Otherwise, BTC has mostly failed in all other practical utility aspects. ETH can do far more in all areas, but the hype stage has long been over. It took years just to somewhat taper off the inflation stages after staking. Alot of the fundamentalists have been stubborningly focused on not caring about price because they think it will follow with utility.

Low_Carpet9764

All alts outside of top 100.. outside of BTC/Eth and the main utility ones better off being in stocks

Far-Photograph-2342

Honestly .01 BTC is already more than most people will ever own 😅 Everyone starts somewhere, and stacking consistently for 6 months is way more important than trying to time the perfect entry.

Far-Photograph-2342

Man… losing 2 BTC after holding it yourself must feel absolutely brutal 😔 A lot of people joke about wallets and seed phrases until something like this actually happens. Hope somehow you still find a backup or recover access one day. Stay strong.

Far-Photograph-2342

Honestly that’s the part that makes it feel so strange 😅 Someone held those BTC for more than 10 years, survived all the crashes and bull runs… and then deliberately destroyed them. Hard not to wonder what the story behind that wallet was.

Creative-Zombie-4212

That has to be the average dude on this subreddit <1BTC talking about BTC is the truth 😂

Northtan53

BTC when Satoshi decided to by a pizza from me...

Middle_Armadillo_841

Thanks a lot, what do you think about DCA when the BTC fear and greed index is in fear or extreme fear only, instead of always?

StructureTrader

Heads up that "ICT" in crypto threads usually just means "ICT concepts" borrowed from forex/futures trading — things like order blocks, fair value gaps, liquidity sweeps, and dealing ranges. It's a methodology originally developed by Michael Huddleston that got popular in traditional markets and traders started applying it to crypto since BTC especially tends to respect those same institutional footprints pretty well on higher timeframes. The core idea is that price doesn't move randomly — it's engineered to grab liquidity sitting above highs and below lows before reversing, so you're looking for those sweeps and then waiting for displacement back into inefficiencies (FVGs) or mitigation of order blocks to enter. Whether you buy the full ICT narrative or not, the actual price behavior it describes is real and worth understanding.

f2pool-CSR2

You can still mine BTC now with ASICs.

TheresNoSecondBest

>My dumbass just lost his wallet with 2 BTC You didn't lose it, mate. You gave it away to a "friend" who stole it from you.

no_thanks88

I am assuming buy and hold, not trading. I am pretty sure there was an intra day pattern in BTC chart ,if you look the history back from 2021 to 2025, that it could give you 8000% return. For buy and hold, if you take into account the volatility you have to withstand, the returns were not on par with expectations. And this is for BTC, if you look at top 20-30 ( not taking into account random shitcoins) the returns were negative in the vast majority. I understand the argument of diminishing returns. And I hear you, maybe for BTC the 80% return ( is enough in 4-5 years( for reference traditional markets double every 7 years roughly…) but there was no altcoin bull market at all this time.

_GOREHOUND_

So, let’s recap: first you wrote that your “dumbass lost his wallet”, then later on you commented that your best friend sold the BTC you once bought together. Honestly, not sure what to make out of it… I want to believe, but you ain’t making it easy, mate.

PuzzleheadedHuman

Nice expansion on the sample. A few methodology notes (I work on data at Coinpaprika, fwiw): The 2-year window catches one full cycle, but regime mix matters more than length. If you split 2024 vs 2025 vs 2026 you will probably see post-ETF news desensitization that washes out in pooled stats. A 3-state HMM on realized vol gives a cleaner conditioning variable than calendar buckets. Two other knobs that move results a lot: headline timestamp source (CoinDesk publish time can lag the wire by 30 to 90 seconds on big stories, worth cross-checking against Reuters/Bloomberg if you have it) and whether you de-overlap clustered events. 3,700 events over 2 years is roughly 5 per day, so 15-min windows are overlapping constantly and inflating the apparent reaction. Worth running the same study on a mid-cap altcoin basket too. Reaction half-life there often runs 2 to 3x BTC and the asymmetry between bullish and bearish prints flips. Happy to compare notes on methodology in DM if useful.

Substantial-Rip-4064

For everyone who asked, i lost the wallet bc i Trusted my Best Best friend… My Best friend since we was Born… we got the wallet togheter and 2011 we Both buyed 2 BTC… Now this mf just selled everything and get the life, I Dream of. This mf did a big betrayel on me and I could Never Trust somebody like i once did. Well ive just learned my lesson…

TechnologyMinute2714

Why the tf would anyone invest in crypto when the markets are already basically acting like crypto, they're already bringing enough yield and has (partially) some backing behind them compared to crypto which is just pure speculation risk-on market. If you're a degen retail gambler with $100, you go to Polymarket, if you're a rich whale you go to NASDAQ. If you're Michael Saylor you go to BTC. If you want store of value you go to gold.

Disastrous_Cheek8226

This is almost certainly not a burn, it's someone moving coins to a wallet they don't have the keys to anymore or intentionally making them unspendable. Real bitcoin burns don't happen the way people think they do since you can't actually destroy the coins, you just send them somewhere no one can access. The wild part is that someone sat on 107 BTC for over 11 years and then decided to do this, which either means they forgot the keys to their original wallet and moved everything to what they thought was a secure place, or they had some reason to want those coins permanently off the market. Either way it's a massive opportunity cost since bitcoin went from like 5 bucks to 60k plus in that time period. If I had that kind of capital just sitting around untouched for over a decade I'd be checking on it way more often, but clearly this person either didn't care or forgot entirely until something prompted them to move it.