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Excellent-Abroad-608

Perso, je répondrai avec la vidéo suivante [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxOSrkE31XY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxOSrkE31XY) Comme d'autres l'ont dit, pour le très long terme, BTC, et un peu de ETH, et voilà :)

L00PYLL0YD

Arc Raiders for BTC

Quantum_Pineapple

What a blatant admission that the banking system is fragile and also dependent on the same electricity you think will stop BTC.

Quantum_Pineapple

None of those things have the ability or protection or decentralization aspect of BTC. Love how finance bros try to conflate this shit constantly to pretend they have a point.

LegitimateDream4942

It's impossible to draw out that far into the future what will happen. Sure, it's a hypothesis. People say BTC is the "answer". What exactly is the problem it's solving, though? I like it from an investment perspective (just like gold. Gold is kind of useless, it's market value far exceeds its intrinsic value). Just playing devil's advocate. We need to look at both sides of the coin. Anybody can throw out a biased hypothesis and throw the thing so far. As if Satoshi was sent here by aliens.

drifterlady

0.000011 BTC. Wonderful. $600 worth, that's life-changing.

ForwardLack1184

40,000 BTC isn’t retail activity. Institutions don’t chase tops — they position early and patiently. The timing here is interesting.

Godex_io

Imagine bragging in 2016: *"* sold 664 BTC and finally bought a house*"* Brother... you didn’t buy a house, you sold an entire neighborhood for a kitchen

Godex_io

Just trying to stay alive long enough to complain about the 2035 crash to $ 1,000,000 per BTC

DryMyBottom

some little BTC green on a Sunday morning is always nice

rs7272

The basic principle is to not look at your portfolio. More suited for stable investments like S&P500. That's my basic concept. Looking back, BTC (for example) has gained \~70% per year on average over the last five. With a couple really ugly years in there. No matter what, I'd add diversification in the mix.

DryMyBottom

some interesting green candle are just approaching the BTC chart. is this a bug?

Different_Walrus_574

Sob story? Mother gave me $3k in 2015 a few YouTuber told me all the millionaires are investing in BTC. I went to the bar in Athens Ga turns out an Asian kid is buying everyone drinks I go thank the kid he tells me his name is get this James Zhong and told me that I should in BTC.

JackyGekko

It's doing well just now, but if you compare it with what happened in the last two cycles, the performance is terrible, especially vs BTC. Even if it's testing its ATH, vs BTC is marking a LH, and eventually a local top in usd terms, unless it will break that weekly downtrend vs the orange coin. So, I would wait a solid breakout before aping in. The same thing is happened to $ZEC few weeks ago when it tested one of the main resistance vs BTC. https://preview.redd.it/eu5k9enavi8g1.png?width=1503&format=png&auto=webp&s=c24e2a2906293d64a6954f9bf14518bcfc525f04

Whoopidiscoop1

Back to 2010. I play the lottery once (and win obviously the 100M jackpot), then put 10M of the jackpot on BTC. Invest the remaining 90M, buy a house, get a dog and enjoy life. 8-10 years later I sell the BTC.

Dormage

So unless he held only BTC he was right.

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DryMyBottom

where's the meme of the death knocking at all those BTC $88k doors?

Kittens-EU

Waiting for the same myself. 60K BTC is like a gift

Acrobatic-Nectarine

Actually this a basic trick question that many are failing to read and answer. Golden rule is to answer questions like these based on what you have read only and not with your assumptions. What’s only guaranteed is that you get $100 in your wallet when you go back. That’s it. The assumption that you will remember everything once you go back is not written in the question. Yes, this is the assumption of many here but it doesn’t mean it’s correct. This could have screwed many people if they chose this option because it’s a 50/50 chance. The safest bet is to take the 100 BTC now because that option is written in the question.

Acrobatic-Nectarine

Actually this a basic trick question that many are failing to read and answer. Golden rule is to answer questions like these based on what you have read only and not with your assumptions. What’s only guaranteed is that you get $100 in your wallet when you go back. That’s it. The assumption that you will remember everything once you go back is not written in the question. Yes, this is the assumption of many here but it doesn’t mean it’s correct. This could have screwed many people if they chose this option because it’s a 50/50 chance. The safest bet is to take the 100 BTC now because that option is written in the question.

rl_rae_bobo

It’s not just the price cause I follow BTC for adoption, layer 2 developments and real world use cases. The tech and network effects are way more exciting than daily pumps.

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LowPressureUsername

You’d have bigger issues to worry about atp. Anything that can knockout EVERY computer mining BTC around the globe would also kill all global financial and distribution systems along with the vast majority of global production and governance infrastructure.

ubermensch1001

Median house being worth 1 BTC by 2028-2030 is very realistic.

Impressive_Pilot8415

This is typical cycle apart from it being front run by ETF’s.. & BS Trump hype memes etc, the main difference this cycle is there are too many useless tokens & tradfi are not going to allocate to anything other than the majors. BTC low was ~16k in Nov 22 & ~126k Oct 25.. seems pretty normal.

Flamboiant_Canadian

I just engraved it on Heat-Treated titanium sheets. My house could burn down and the seeds would survive. I think some people go a little overboard on the whole security aspects and a gun safe in a closet goes a long way, especially if no one knows you have one? In a similar aspect, if you never talk about owning any crypto, or never talk about BTC openly, no one would ever suspect you owned some.  My brother literally just used paper wallets, with no security, and he never had a problem. It's actually really hilarious the steps we go through with hardware and paper wallets are still the ultimate in security, like bearer bonds. 

jkl2035

Think you‘re waiking up from a 2y coma and your BTC are away - Not sure how we solve this issue, imho a foundation is needed taking care of this „lost coin“

ExcellentPlace4608

I owned 5 BTC when it was about $300/coin. I pretty much sold it for beer money.

cannedshrimp

My two pieces of advice: 1. ⁠Don’t share more details of your set up on the internet 2. ⁠Trying to have your set up work for both day trading and a true cold wallet is just going to compromise your security. Store your BTC with hardcore multisig and if you have to trade alts treat it as a different security model because it is.

cannedshrimp

My two pieces of advice: 1. Don’t share details of your set up on the internet 2. Trying to have your set up work for both day trading and a true cold wallet is just going to compromise your security. Store your BTC with hardcore multisig and if you have to trade alts treat it as a different security model because it is.

ubermensch1001

Yeah, if one piece of the seed is destroyed, lost, etc. I wouldn't have any issues with restoring to a new wallet. I keep/have 2 wallets in case one goes down and I need it in a pinch. I only buy and hold BTC, but I also have and want to engage in some alt trading. Let's say we got some crazy alt season and I see Cardano at $5 but my wallet for some reason isn't working, I'd basically be forced to wait until I could get a new wallet in the mail and restore it with my seeds. I don't think this is very likely to happen in a very narrow frame of time like that, but I'd rather have a backup I don't need than not have a backup when I need lol. One concern I do have is the government or banks coming after me if for whatever reason they become very hostile to those engaging in self custody. I'm not in constant fear of this, but a lot of the stuff going on right now does kind of remind me a bit of what FDR did with gold in the 1930s. In fact, I'd actually say this is my biggest concern and probably the most realistic way for me to lose funds, but I also think the writing would be on the wall for this before it happens, which would give me enough time to make some adjustments. As for inheritance. I am relatively young but typed up a written essay explaining what to do in case something does happen to me, Basically, I gave a description of what wallets are, how to restore seed phrases and to keep those phrases completely offline, etc.

MrRabbitSir

go back to 2010, and use the $100 to buy BTC when it was still at $0.05.

LegitimateDream4942

Exactly. People have blinders on and are so biased towards BTC sometimes. Regular people don't even know that a devalued dollar is good for trade. But yea, BTC is a religion, like with anything else: stocks, real estate, gold, financing a car instead of buying a $3000 car for cash.

TP_Crisis_2020

Hot take: IMO, BTC will never reach $200k. Each cycle, the increase in ATH by % gets smaller and smaller.

Pokemoncorncollector

Use your brain lil bro… Selling for fiat is not the only thing Bitcoin can be used for. Borrow against, Staking when that become available, generally leverage. Also just spend the BTC, places where people accept Bitcoin.

CartierFlip

Monero is the crypto of choice on the darknet. Most vendors/markets only take Monero. So billions of $ worth of it is purchased every year to buy illegal things. While it’s the coin of choice on there it will always have value. I believe in Monero more than BTC for that reason.

originalgainster

Looks like BTC is building support at 85 to 90. This might be the bottom. Thoughts?

2capshanker

I buy BTC because the people printing the US dollar and other fiat currencies lost my trust long ago. I want the stuff they can’t just make out of thin air.

matta-leao

Thought btc was interesting. It hit $100. Big number. If this was a method of payments, it should be accepted right? Went to Starbucks. "Can I pay with bitcoin?" Bewildered look. Can't even buy coffee with it, and it is trading above $100! Sold all BTC.

_Nigerian_Prince__

You recommend Coinbase?? Blah! Allow me, your humble and totally trustworthy Nigerian Prince, to propose something far superior… THE ROYAL NIGERIAN PRINCE EXCHANGE Imagine: - A platform where Bitcoin appreciates simply by logging in - Zero fees (because fees are for peasants) - A “Royal Wallet” that pays dividends in prince-approved tokens - Personalized onboarding by yours truly, in regal robe and feathered hat All you need to do is send me: 0.05 BTC …and I will grant you exclusive lifetime access <3

Fussier-Puppet

Is it just me or anyone else praying it drops to 50, fyi I own about 9k worth of BTC

Pristine_Kangaroo527

This is literally the dumbest thing you BTC sheep say. This is coming from someone who loves BTC, but don’t act like the fiat value of BTC doesn’t matter.

roglc_366

I still remember what was said about a year ago about the $200,000 BTC towards the end of 2025!

DBRiMatt

I'm waiting for the post-Christmas sales.. especially if BTC prices drop xD

griswaldwaldwald

This is the first recorded instance of a sub-3-year-old ETF printing top-10 flows while posting negative returns. Gold ETFs never did this. Commodity ETFs never did this. Even the hottest thematic plays of the 2020s bled when the tape turned against them. IBIT just absorbed $25.4 billion during a drawdown year while GLD, running the hottest precious metals tape since 1979, couldn’t keep pace despite a 64% rip. You’re not watching retail FOMO. You are watching pension consultants and RIA model portfolios quietly sizing into a 1 to 2 percent structural allocation that doesn’t get yanked on a quarterly rebalance. That’s the “HODL clinic” you identified, and it has a name on the institutional side: benchmark inclusion behavior before the benchmark officially includes it. Here’s the math that should terrify every gold bug and excite every BTC bull. IBIT did $37.4 billion in 2024 on a face-ripping rally. It just did $25.4 billion on a down year. That’s 68% flow retention during negative performance, which destroys every reference class we have for alternative asset ETFs. GLD in 2013 lost 28% and saw $25 billion in redemptions. IBIT loses 10% and adds $25 billion. If this flow elasticity holds and BTC prints a 40% year in 2026, you’re looking at $60 to $80 billion in inflows and a straight shot past $150 billion AUM. BlackRock isn’t building an ETF. They’re building the fourth pillar of the 60/40 portfolio, and this chart is the first hard proof that the institutional bid won’t flinch when the tape gets ugly.

Banker_dog

Same story we’ve heard since 2017. Only consistent coins apart from BTC and ETH to keep a top 10 spot

DaGr8Gatzby

Stack more BTC. Fiat is worthless.

codify7

Sooooo 2028 0.45 BTC

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coinegg

Which is great for anyone not retiring in the next few years and believes in BTC :D

Lucresia_Law

Blue, go back in time and buy BTC with that $100. Invest and make better mistakes.

inShambles3749

Yes. In reality no one cares about BTC once QC hits the capability to crack sha256 / RSA. The entire world would be on fire if that would happen unprepared..however we already are prepared and only the crypto idiots fall for it from time to time. Just fear mongering and possibly attempt of market and/or sentiment manipulation

madethisforcrypto

Quantum computing will put BTC to zero dollars.

MHSN_WEB333

Block rewards declining was always expected. The incentive just shifts more toward fees over time. If Bitcoin ends up being used mainly for high-value settlement rather than daily payments, fewer transactions can still generate meaningful fees. As long as there’s demand for block space and BTC has value, miners will follow the incentives.

deemak90

I prefer my children over money so 100 BTC now.

disruptioncoin

You’re right. I was mixing up two different things. The number of early keys that are P2PK is relatively small, but those keys control a disproportionately large amount of early BTC due to key reuse. Satoshi in particular appears to have mined many rewards to the same P2PK key early on, which is why a significant share of early coins sits in that script type.

MaximumStudent1839

> As assets mature, valuation frameworks evolve. I don't know how this point makes sense. We both agree that this asset reached this height by riding on demand, unrelated to the DCF framework. I don't understand why the passage of time makes it more relevant. These L1 assets have horrible revenue multiples with no precedent of ever fixing them. Serious DCF-only investors would never want to be marginal buyers of these assets, just as they think buying metals as a "hard-money" bet is stupid. If you are a dairy farmer, it is probably not worth your time to bother about what lactose-intolerant customers want. So I don't understand the logical angle of adopting this DCF valuation model. Neither adopting the model will convince new marginal buyers to come, nor will it explain all the buying interest to date. So I am lost on why it is relevant. In fact, BlackRock doesn't talk much about all these P/S or whatever ratios when they advertise it to their customers. So all these new marginal buyers don't even have this mental model. > ETH is not the same asset it was five years ago In what way? I see it has reduced inflation. I see it has raised the gas limit to reduce the cost of using the asset. I see that inflation is now being paid to stakers who are more aligned with the network than merc miners. I see new ETFs bringing more liquidity and flow into the asset. In fact, your mentioned problems of lack of control, equity, etc., were even more severe five years ago because miners, not ETH stakers, controlled the network. How can things getting better lead you to believe the asset is becoming worse? I am genuinely lost on how you are thinking. > *why someone else will pay more for it later* It is the same story with all these SoV assets. Why do ppl buy gold? It is all the same, as it is about cultural appreciation and consensus. > This is an explicitly *faith-based* valuation model. I’m not interested in evaluating assets through a religious or collector lens.  It may be that this asset class isn't for you. I mean, gold is multiple times the size of BTC, but I know tons of equity investors think investing in metals is just pure stupid. This entire space follows the superstitious practice of the four-year cycle, regardless of macro or other factors. And you do remember how the stock-flow model got invalidated during the last bear, but BTC maxis kept revising it and hung onto it? It is evidence of religious behavior, not rational. You have to accept that faith is just a massive component of this sector. > But ETH explicitly chose a different path (maybe incorrect one in the last years): programmability, coordination, economic activity.  Native programmability adds an optionality. How does adding such an optionality hurt the asset? Don't like it. Just ignore it. Would your view of BTC change if OPCAT passes and Starknet adds programmability to BTC as a layer 2? But I do get the frustration of being led onto multiple fools' errands to make "Web 3" work. Many probably brought ETH for "Web 3" and got disappointed. Now they view ETH as less valuable, and they are selling it. ETH performed weaker than BTC because it had this jack-of-all-trades problem. But even BTC had an identity problem, leading to forks like BCH. Time will tell whether ETH can overcome its identity crisis for the broader set. I mentioned here before at the start of this bull, this is an identity crisis for nearly all tech alts. > then we don't necessarily want it to appreciate?  They collect it as a financial coordination vehicle to improve the asset value. They aren't collecting it as a nonfungible piece of art.

RatherCynical

"Value" is just the wrong word to use. You are using a conceptual framework that requires assuming utility. Monetary goods don't have utility. Their utility is to store and transmit value. They are hoarded for the purposes of not losing purchasing power. The fact that it is incredibly difficult and costly to create is the reason the bubble never pops. If it could be cheap to create, everyone would rush to get some cheap Bitcoin and sell it on the open market, and thus the market price would crash and never recover. It is precisely because of the waste of energy/pit of fire that BTC remains incredibly high.

RatherCynical

"Value" is just the wrong word to use. You are using a conceptual framework that requires assuming utility. Monetary goods don't have utility. Their utility is to store and transmit value. They are hoarded for the purposes of not losing purchasing power. The fact that it is incredibly difficult and costly to create is the reason the bubble never pops. If it could be cheap to create, everyone would rush to get some cheap Bitcoin and sell it on the open market, and thus the market price would crash and never recover. It is precisely because of the waste of energy/pit of fire that BTC remains incredibly high.

Nearby_Ring_8054

Yeah this is pretty much spot on. The correlation thing is already happening too - BTC has been moving more with the S&P lately than it used to The regulatory angle is what worries me more tbh. Once Wall Street gets their hooks in deep enough they're gonna want their usual protections and bailouts when things go south. Kinda defeats the whole point of decentralized money when JPMorgan starts calling the shots

MHSN_WEB333

Inflation exists with or without Bitcoin. BTC doesn’t cause those losses — it just offers an opt-out. People still choose their risk: dilution or volatility.

EarningsPal

It doesn’t. BTC needs a certain portion of the population to take the inflation losses for the benefit of those using BTC fixed supply. Time passes and the inflation losses build up. Even the holders of BTC take the loss buying more expensive goods. But they don’t take the losses from holding the currency and buying more expensive goods.

NilNow

Turns out that the way to get higher gains than BTC this cycle was perps and leveraged options on DATs, not alts.

Sagar_Sage

Invest in BTC , ETH , SOL , TAO , BNB , AAVE , SUI

No_Huckleberry821

What's being present here rewards being old or being rich, ideally both. If you 10x wealth every 5 years a 20yo who saved $100 of BTC once, then never saved a single cent again would have the equivalent of $ 1,000,000,000,000 BTC at age 70yo. If that 70yo dies and passes on even half of that to his kid the numbers gets unimaginably large stupidly quickly. If there's no inflation then your wage hasn't really increased anywhere near that much and you have no way to ever hope to catch up as you're now permanently behind because savings (which require money and time) outpace actually earning (which require effort) by a ludicrous margin. 

OnChainSpecter

ETFs didn’t ruin it. They changed the market structure. BTC just became the benchmark.

DaGr8Gatzby

What despair ? 1 BTC = 1 BTC

zzzzzzzzz_zzzzzzzz

It’s not for every day use obviously. It’s a better version of gold. Anybody thinks that spending fees, irreversable transactions, blockchain only handling 4 transactions per second and thinks that its a day to day currenct doesnt understand BTC

Pkrinv

Thats about 3.2mm worth of gold. Yet the average person wouldn’t be afraid to have people know their businesses made 3mm the prior year, or that they own 3mm of VTSAX.  What you’re telling people is “be afraid to tell people about your BTC because it’s not safe” which is not something that makes most people feel safe about having it.  And yes, most people don’t buy 3mm worth of gold and put it in their home safe. 

octica

I knew fiat was a scam for a long time but that didn't mean automatically that BTC was valid. The only real option was gold and I listened to some economic experts that said gold was not good for currency and fiat was better. Physical gold cost too much to trade and then there is the storage problem. I still believed in gold and believed the reason gold was good for backing currency was that it was valuable. After I relized that Trump was going to do more deficit spending with the BBB like all previoius presidents I went heavy in to GLD etf in Feb, about 1/3 of my net worth. Once I learned (Very recently) that gold's value as a store of value was not due to it's industrial/ jewelry use but due to it's scarcity. Once that clicked then BTC made a lot of sense. It does not have to have any intrinsic value like gold. That took some time to sink in and to try to understand money from a working stiff's perspective instead of the economics BS. Interestingly the use of gold is roughtly about 50% jewelry, 30% store of value and 20% industry. I suspect if gold were more common the use for jewelry would be much less, seems jewelry use is based on scarcity too (even diamonds which are artificially kept scarce by the DeBeer diamond cartel). After that realilation (in Sept 2026) I DCA'ed 20% of my net liquid wealth into BTC (and I'm 66 looking at retiring in a few months so that was a lot of conviction for me).

Ok_Rent_2937

I derisked by selling a little BTC. Still holding 3 bitcoins, which is now 7% of my overall portfolio. If Bitcoin becomes less than 5% of my portfolio, I will buy some. If it becomes more than 10%, I will sell some. In the 5-10% range, I have relatively little downside, while preserving upside

_boiler

Borrow against your BTC. Ledn, Figure, Salt Lending

northcasewhite

If you bought AI coins in 2023, meme coins in 2024 and privacy coins in 2025 you outperformed BTC. But how man managed to do that?

Longjumping-Board996

ETF's and Institutions ruined the whole market. The only so called safe thing is BTC. I don't even trust ETH even a bit.

vklirdjikgfkttjk

No, it was an analogy to prove that just because something is expensive to create doesn't mean it has value. Bitcoin throws money into a pit of fire for no reason. You could secure the network with POS and give the money to BTC holders instead.

TheGreatCryptopo

Santa got 5 sleeps to get BTC back to 100k. You can do it you jolly fat bastard.

VariatCA

It's the first widely-accepted crypto that was both decentralized in nature, and solved many of the issues of its predecessors. There were early concepts and iterations for E-currency even back in the 90's, but ultimately failed due to centralization issues or regulatory issues. The "first mover" advantage is more important than some want to accredit. It all *worked.* The network was stable, the ledger public and reliable, the security was very quickly grown and adopted to render 51% attacks both prohibitively expensive AND basically moot to attempt. Eventually with that kind of growth in adoption and valuation, it transitioned more from a simple P2P network to a recognized store of value against fiat-moneys. What a lot of alts (and of course memes) don't have is the foundational *trust* required for the backing of any monetary system quite like BTC enjoys.

chicadepanem

$100 go back 2010. Right now I would have 1000 BTC valued at $85M 🤑

shitcanfly

Hmmm fundstrat internal report puts BTC at 60000 and eth at 1800-2000. Preaches all times high and constantly flip flops those targets

Previous_Valuable873

Wasn't really an attack. Plus BTC has been for months 51%+ in the last years by the biggest farms and nobody gave a shit about it. But yeah, I am happy, cashed out 5% now to fuel the pump even more, as if I sell it always pumps :-)

vklirdjikgfkttjk

>eth has no cap Eth gives newly issued tokens back to the stakers so the value of your holdings don't go down, they go up. If the math of dividends is too complicated for you, you can just buy a staked eth token that has a capped supply like rETH >First of all, Bitcoin has a cap and is deflationary. Bitcoin right now is inflationary,about 0.8% per year iirc. If people don't hard fork BTC into increasing block rewards then either: 1. the network will become insecure and implode 2. Transaction fees will become astronomic Are you another bitcoin maxi that thinks mining rewards are there just for the lulz? Do I need to explain to you why you need a 0.5-1.5% inflation rate or risk the network becoming insecure? Both BTC and ETH need to pay for security. The difference is ETH pays the minimum amount needed, and it pays it back to token holders while BTC pays it to a third party.

Buddy_Palguy

ETH chart seems a bit more spastic than the BTC chart

Medium_Change4574

Funny how the only advantage of BTC tech-wise is that it is the first crypto currency. If you'd put BTC into such comparisons it's as dead as any altcoin.

PJacouF

Cycle low came in the same month count and a weekly high formed in the same month count historically. Unless we are to form another ATH, BTC will be respecting its cycle to the dot actually.

Lavayo

If the "bad year after ATH at end of post halving year" history repeats yes. If the "BTC meltups always coincided with loose monetary policy and rising ISM history" repeats most definitely not.

eltenelliott

I'm having trouble understanding how BTC has anything to do with money sovereignty. A couple whales can manipulate the price without pushback. The rich still control the market.

OnChainSpecter

BTC has dipped below the 50-week MA multiple times in past cycles without ending them. Context matters more than a single indicator.

PeopleNose

"cRyPtOcUrReNcY" There is only BTC ^(until anything better comes along, but that'll most likely just be BTC evolving too)

NiagaraBTC

Yes it's a very safe assumption that someone talking about Bitcoin owns some amount of Bitcoin. But do they own 0.1 BTC or 10,000 BTC?

Vinnypaperhands

No no, I said explain why eth would be a better hard money. Eth being " deflationary" ( eth has no cap, so stupid to even say this) is not a reason. First of all, Bitcoin has a cap and is deflationary. Eth has no cap, had a pre me, and had a foundation. Many things have changed with eth and many more things will changed as time goes on. Also BTC does not have to be inflationary at all what are you talking about hahaha!.

Unfair_Strawberry682

Let them keep sleeping. More for us to buy cheap. It’s almost impossible for the transition not to happen. Banks charge 1.5-3% and take days for large transactions. BTC .01% or 0, instant. With AI and quantum computing a middle man won’t be be viable.

OnChainSpecter

Monero has a strong niche and real use case, especially around privacy. That said, I still prefer BTC as the long-term base layer — different tools for different theses.

coinegg

Way more important things in your life will be attacked and defeated by quantum before BTC does..

Frapa2a

My favorite experts right now are the ones who make predictions like: "If BTC rises to $90K, then it could reach $94K, but if it falls to $84K, then it could drop below $80K." All in the same analysis with the same chart, just replace the values with today's values and you become an expert in technical analysis. And no matter how the BTC price moves, they'll repost saying they predicted it. Amazing experts ! 🤣

Syonoq

How’s the loan repayment part of it working out? You’ve stopped contributing and are instead DCA’ing into BTC?

VerticalClearance

If you ever want to move native BTC across chains or use it on other networks besides Bitcoin, you might check out Symbios⁤is BTC Bridge: [https://symbiosis.finance/bridge-btc](https://symbiosis.finance/bridge-btc) . It supports multiple EVM and non-EVM networks, lets you bridge native Bitcoin with relatively low fees, and works without KYC or custody - which can give more flexibility than sticking strictly to centralized exchanges

FilmDazzling4703

People buying high and selling low and then complaining about losing money is not a crypto problem it’s a conviction problem. If you are prepared to hold for 10-15 years you will make money on BTC. If not, yea stay away or else you’ll sell emotionally and lose money

SouthJazz1010

I can provide a counter-argument. While I’m not defending altcoins entirely—they are very risky—I sold my BTC once it became clear what Trump was about to do after his inauguration. It’s not the same cohort that buys Trump Coin and altcoins; the market is much larger than his coin. However, it likely scares investors when he launches his own coin, causing some to avoid cryptocurrency altogether. The tariff negotiations, which mostly lead to uncertainty and fear, are not reassuring for cryptocurrency investors either. Trump is a stupid pedophile who has not yet been convicted, and a rapist proven in a civil lawsuit—not a president who should instill confidence in any investor.