BTC

Kanqon

What makes you believe the authors of those books. BTC in it self is a black swan event - you can learn about the technology, you can learn what has worked trading it, but you can’t learn where it is going. It’s just too young of an asset.

KateR_H0l1day

Nobody, absolutely nobody should be buying BTC for something that might happen in a week or two! People should be looking at time periods in years, absolutely not days/weeks, and months. We’ve been in an accumulation phase for months now, and likely to still be in an accumulation phase for the rest of 2026. And probably for the first half of 2027, because for some reason, people love to wait and jump on bandwagons that are already moving. Rather than getting on board, and getting comfortable, before the bandwagon sets off. 🤷‍♀️

crazybird-thereal

I do mainly DCA (only BTC for crypto). In my global financial strat, I also have specials founds for buy the DIP, like the one in feb-march 2026 (the one in jun-july was better, but i cant predict the future). 3 Big rules : \- I trust BTC will go high. \- I do DCA when i receive salary (not at the end). \- I follow rules I set ( Buy X $ of BTC each month, If BTC bellow X then use DIP founds to buy more, + others asset rules). I never do something in the rush.

miner_guy_22

I don't understand the mindset I see on here often that you have to be 100% in our out. If the volatility is too much just diversify a portion into less volatile assets. For someone that has been in since 2013 and understands/believes in the thesis behind Bitcoin I would always want to have some portion of my wealth in BTC just for insurance. I also find it funny when people complain about having to pay capital gains tax. Yeah, you only have to pay that much because you made a shit ton of profit.

jasonmie

From the pattern, it is possible to reach 5k. However, BTC would have to be at least around ±18xK as the pre-req condition. Only time will tell

jsh63

Life isn't miserable though - I'm just not enjoying the BTC journey like I used to. I have other assets

CoinGate_Gift_Cards

After holding since 2013, I don’t think you need to prove anything to anyone. If the volatility is now affecting your peace of mind and you’re approaching retirement, reducing exposure seems completely reasonable. You don’t have to make it an all-or-nothing decision either. You could sell enough to cover several years of retirement spending or reduce BTC to a percentage of your net worth you’d be comfortable seeing fall 50-70%.

Coininator

Depends how much BTC is of your total wealth. I know the situation you are in. I missed selling last autumn because none of 30 top signals were flashing red. I hope to get out soon but mentally I’m prepared to wait until 2028/2029. If you decide to sell, don’t sell 100%. Keep BTC for 10% of your total wealth for example (an amount small enough to not bother about daily fluctuations, but big enough to have some upside) and sell them later.

Fun-Analysis-182

Someone found a bug that minted Liquid-BTC out of nothing, then cashed it out 1:1 for real BTC through the normal peg-out. The keys were never stolen, the software just couldn't tell the fake coins from real ones, and nothing capped the withdrawal size, so a single bug walked off with almost the entire reserve.

Draganpopart

Just live your life and spend your BTC as you want. Isn’t that the point?

ElephantEarTag

You said you're interested in long-term? Over the long term, all shit coins will bleed back to bitcoin. There may be one month where your favorite coin does super well and outperforms Bitcoin, but in the long run they will all under perform the king. Therefore, I cannot endorse your alts. BTC for the long-term play. If you want to gamble on alts, that's on you, but don't think of it as a long-term investment. Think of it as going to the casino.

KTown_Killa

Hacker steals 320 million in BTC and says they are good whitehat hackers and will give it back but would like a nice tip.

newMoneyStyle

Pretty much agree, BTC with a bit of ETH is the safest bet.

newMoneyStyle

Algorand and Hedera really did feel promising a few years back, but the momentum just never came, and sticking with BTC and ETH as the core makes sense while treating Bittensor as a smaller AI-adjacent bet.

ihatearguingonline

Agreed but the masses can't trust it as a neutral monetary base layer. 99% loss in that time frame plus uncapped supply = low investor confidence in ICP's store of value thesis. Its price will go up with usage long term. KAS is a much more trustworthy upgrade from BTC. Yes it recently crashed hard too but not unlike BTC in its early days

asiannboy5

$500k imo 10 years is a long ass time in crypto. if adoption keeps growing and BTC keeps becoming more mainstream, i could see it getting there. $1M isn’t impossible either, but if I had to actually put a number on it, I’m taking $500k 🤣

Alternative_Week3023

10% APR is very high. Don’t borrow to buy BTC. Learn the habit of DCA. Besides, unless you own your own company, nobody is indispensable.

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TryNice304

Bruh. You're paying $350/month just for the chance that BTC moons. That's 10% of your salary gone, poof, regardless of price. If BTC drops 40% in year 2 (very normal), you owe $30k on an asset worth $18k. Your refinance plan isn't a plan, it's a debt treadmill with extra fees every 2 years. Best case? You make like $500/month profit after 2 years of stress. Worst case? You're trapped for a decade paying interest on a coin you bought at the top. Just DCA with cash you actually have. This is FOMO dressed up as strategy. But hey, it's your sleep schedule. 🤷

Timely-Fig2030

BTC -> ETH -> ICP Internet Computer Protocol is the next big thing.

shivendra-in

I like the long-term mindset here. Having a clear goal for your BTC makes it easier to stay disciplined through all the market ups and downs

TheresNoSecondBest

>I've already tried RoboSats but it appears to rely on lightning and I don't have enough btc at the moment to open a channel. That would mean you don't have enough BTC to send it to the buyer either. I mean, r/thelightningnetwork is made for the small amounts, you're talking about. If the amount is too small, the buyer isn't going to buy it from you because it'll cost him another fee to spend it in the future. **opening a channel and dealing with it on Robosats is your best bet**. If you don't like it, use a spark wallet like Wallet of Satoshi, no channel fees BUT you're losing a bit of privacy (perhaps more, I don't follow spark protocol that closely). Anyway, two more options for dealing with cash are Bitcoin meetups and Vexl.

Civil-Science-4126

There hasn't been a major financial downturn in the US since 2008. BTC and its 4-year cycle is untested in those circumstances. What do you think will happen to a volatile "risk-on" asset like Bitcoin if there's a Great Recession like event?

duracellchipmunk

I always hold the line of BTC/ETH/LINK

JOliverScott

At this point I don't think any are going to the moon.  BTC is the only one with reliable cycles and its losing momentum each cycle until it'll probably just stabilize and offer single digit returns. The rest simply exist to get caught and pulled along in it's gravitational field. With most coins the hype is at the launch and the early investors get their payout then dump it. That's not to say I haven't dabbled in several but most aren't going to moonshot. A few make pretty good staking rewards but even that isn't assured - they can reduce or cancel that anytime they choose.

Syrion1984

My long term goal for BTC is $1M+ which is why I'm accumulating right now, aiming to own a whole BTC before it hits that price. So I'm thinking at least $1,000,000 in 10 years.

LSD_OVERDOSE

MSTR blows up if BTC blows up, not the other way around.

ArugulaPotential366

This sounds like a good way to look at it because we don't have much time here. I'm just going to dump my savings into BTC and when things start looking good, I'll just take whatever the fun costs and enjoy it then continue stacking when I'm back at work

banglasteve

So I’ve told him to weekly dca until he owns 1 BTC essentially

WaltzMysterious9240

Don't invest. Just trade. I'm constantly buying and selling BTC among many other alts and just reaping the profits from the price difference. Also don't play around with futures, just trade in spot.

xianthus

BTC and a little bit of ETH. Anything else is just gambling, just ask 99% of the altcoins holders here :)

higher-steaks

comments here are kind of disgusting i really think if going to look at alts in crypto, need to look at large caps that generate a lot of revenue, and importantly the revenue gets captured into the value of the token. there really isn't many coins that fit this category, which makes things actually quite simple, yet people will twist themselves into intellectual pretzels coming up with reasons to bid vaporware instead. HYPE, PUMP, LIT. profitable stocks on NASDAQ w/ strong crypto exposure - HOOD & PURR save yourself a lot of time and money and just deeply research these. otherwise you're better off with just BTC, ETH or SOL man.

banglasteve

Not 40%. 75% and 50k in cash to buy the dip. By crypto only BTC

6M66

He is doing what he asked goverments to do, in some way he prints fiat to buy BTC

Numerous_Ruin_4947

I'm not saying they should have the same market cap. But I wonder if a 80x premium is warranted? If BTC had a 10x premium over ZEC, its market cap would still be roughly 10x ZEC's. Yes, the current ZEC supply is less than BTC - I am using the 21 million cap as reference. Even with a 10x premium ZEC would be worth $8k with BTC @ $80k. So the question is how large a premium does BTC deserve because of its first mover advantage? It has no tech advantage. One could argue it has a higher security budget. But Ethereum's has a greater security budget than Bitcoin. BTC has more mindshare, a bigger network effect, etc. But its security budget could decline in the coming decades after numerous halvings.

skydiver19

The wording used was “will be” not “ I believe “ big difference there. One implies a fact, the other a belief. “I already own more BTC than the vast majority of people on the planet” Is a pretty lame flex, Adds literally no value to the sentence. You could literally remove that sentence and it doesn’t change the message / point. At all. FYI appears you outed your alt account posting from two different handles 😂

ihatearguingonline

ICP and KAS!! ICP has more unique capabilities than any other chain. Tamper proof web hosting, AI compatibility, chain fusion (interoperability), caffeine AI (making your own apps with AI), and no cloud engines, which are basically backup servers so countries don't have to rely on US based oligopolies like AWS and Google. KAS has a much simpler/cleaner monetary thesis. It has BTC's fair launch and decentralization so you don't have to worry about a massive treasury dumping on retail. And it has robust POW security. It also has the scalability and fees of a true next gen L1. Best of both worlds. ICP is next gen ETH and KAS is next gen BTC!

xcom1995

It's not what I'm holding. I'm very high risk. But if someone asked me for advice, I'd recommend the following: BTC, ETH, XMR, DOGE

Bettie9

BTC, the King of Cryptocurrencies💪

ArchiMode25

Not likely. Look at June-Sept of 2018 and 2022. Pump before Nov dump. Bull runs often follow BTC halvings. Halvings were 2012, 2016, 2020, 2024, 2028, etc. Bull years were 2012/13, 16/17, 20/21, 24/25, 28/29 etc. Bear = 2014, 19, 22, 26, 30, etc. Look into it.

Monster213213

And buy BTC

TheMourningDove

For hardline cryptography interests, I think ghostdag (and KAS) is still pretty interesting, and has little to do with Israeli government interests. ZCash is a known zero knowledge proof payment system used by government clients around the globe. With the global geopolitical situation being what it is, the run is easily and openly explainable. Your inclusion of the KAS chart ignores the fact that entire alt market shares largely the same chart. The downturn is not an Israeli crypto problem (as much as you might understandably want it to be). The downturn is manifest in crypto traders chasing gains in super hot stocks and crypto gains built by American, European, and Asian regulations creating a framework for institutional inflows into only the top crypto projects (BTC, ETH, Asian exchange tokens, to a lesser extent XRP. ) The first meaningful reversal seems to be forming right now in the alt market following the liquidity crisis of Oct 2025. The timeline is not abnormal and was predicted openly back in 2025. 12 to 24 months. Seems to be on track for now.

Transcendance2021

BTC with its power requirements is the most @ssbackwards... There is nothing decentralized about $btc going from buying it at $12 per Bitcoin to it's high of $126k... Between BlackRock, BlackStone, Jack Dorsey, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel... The amount of electricity just to mine/validate the Blockchain is ludicrous and not sustainable...

xrpevo10

BTC is the Epstein coin

DeathHopper

They've demonstrated they can't turn the privacy layer completely off, while maintaining the network and still allowing non shielded transactions. It's not farfetched to assume, given it's ties to intelligence agencies and the control over the privacy layer they've already demonstrated, that there's a big ol wide gaping back door. Ffs, even the term "shielded" transaction implies it can be "unshielded". They're not even hiding the back door from you. But alas, that's not concrete evidence, I know. But sure a government funded fork of BTC is completely on the up and up...

OriginalRest2438

We are pretty heavy on BTC/ETH too, but lately we’ve been digging into some of the more speculative stuff on Robinhood Chain. Have put together a quick video on how we would allocate a $1k bag across a few of them and why we like this setup: [https://youtu.be/4vZ8jJMWZSg](https://youtu.be/4vZ8jJMWZSg) Definitely more of a degen/speculative play than a core portfolio though. Do your own research too.

DUDEARTISTOFPU

Do you have the NYS ID # from like an old ticket or bookings slip? I was in a similar situation but reverse, I needed BTC.... I just got a fien with an id to set up the app for the bitcoin ATM, and I was good to go from there. He was happy with the $30. Not sure what part of the bx your in, but im sure you can find someone..

feng_sg

No public wallet-to-funding-source mapping exists for those "private donations," so there's no way to verify on-chain whether the BTC actually came from distinct private donors or was just routed through intermediaries to dodge the IMF spending cap.

Jellydude25

Personally paper wallets are just a bit too risky for me. In the event of my death, I could easily see my heirs fucking up and losing BTC, or even future me as I have ADHD lol. I also don’t like the idea that a printer could store the credentials in its cache, even if I tried to wipe it I’d always be worried. I could legitimately see the spending aspect creating issues later down the road.

EventInternational38

He’s asking for the absolute long term option then it’s BTC.

Technical-Wallaby

All in on BTC.

cubeeless

BTC to $400k!

evenaintlosin

go back and look at all of the propaganda against BTC on its run from a few grand to $20k, this is feeling eerily similar. what does BTC have that ZEC doesn’t? i’ll concede that this coin is being pumped by fewer hands than btc back then and will probably have a retracement soon, but it’s shielded pool offers something real that only itself and monero can offer, true privacy. However, the difference between those two is that the SEC greenlit an ETF for zcash (will never happen for xmr) so now it can take in loads more institutional investment while monero will only continue to be blacklisted by AML laws.

macetheface

> If we hit the trend I've been following power law since it was created. Imo the only thing going for power law now is resistance. But what if it breaks below it for an extended period of time? There's been so many other charts from the past now broken ([rainbow charts](https://charts.bitbo.io/rainbow/)). And the one's not broken have been refitted time and again to force it to fit but still broken - plan b and his silly stock to flow. No matter how many people get burned there's always a new crop being set up to fail. Everyone calling for BTC to millions... let's see it get past 200 or even 150k first.

versace_dinner

First, I care about preserving my wealth, Bitcoin has the inherent ability to retain value that the dollar cannot. Second, I believe in the technology and would love to see a future where BTC is normalized as the day-to-day currency. If putting money into BTC happens to make me money, that’s more than welcome :)

macetheface

> If we hit the trend I've been following power law since it was created. Imo the only thing going for power law now is resistance. But what if it breaks below it for an extended period of time? There's been so many other charts from the past now broken ([rainbow charts](https://charts.bitbo.io/rainbow/)). And the one's not broken have been refitted time and again to force it to fit but still broken - plan b and his silly stock to flow. No matter how many people get burned there's always a new crop being set up to fail. Everyone calling for BTC to millions... let's see it get past 200 or even 150k first.

Shot_Document_7325

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jasonmie

When BTC was sitting at 6xK, ETH was in the range of 17xx, now BTC is in the 7xK range, ETH is hanging ard 24xxK.. Maths be mathing...

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Post is by: Bcom_Mod and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/bitcoin_com/comments/1w9e2e8/strategy_printed_209_billion_in_stock_this_year/ [Strategy's CEO Phong Le confirmed the company ranked fourth among all US equity issuers in 2026](https://news.bitcoin.com/featured/strategy-joins-spacex-google-intel-as-top-us-equity-issuers/), having sold $20.9 billion in common and preferred stock. Not fourth among crypto companies. Fourth among every public company in America. It just resumed buying after a two-month pause, picking up 4,603 BTC for $369.7 million at an average of $80,318, funded by selling $602.8 million of common stock. They sold $602.8 million of stock and used $369.7 million of it to buy Bitcoin. The company's core activity is issuing equity and converting a portion of the proceeds into BTC. Being the fourth-largest equity issuer in the country is a genuinely wild stat for what people still think of as a business-intelligence software firm. It's issuing more stock than most major banks, more than most household-name corporations, and the entire purpose of that issuance is to feed a Bitcoin accumulation engine. Strategy is, functionally, a publicly-traded leveraged Bitcoin fund that raises money by continuously printing its own shares. When MSTR trades at a premium to its BTC per share, issuing stock to buy more Bitcoin is accretive, existing holders end up with more Bitcoin backing each share than before the raise. Saylor turned the stock market into a Bitcoin acquisition pipeline, and being the fourth-largest issuer in America means that pipeline is running at extraordinary scale. Every dollar of that $20.9 billion is a dollar of demand for Bitcoin that wouldn't exist otherwise. Issue enough shares and you dilute holders unless the premium holds, and premiums compress when sentiment turns or the stock stops outrunning the underlying Bitcoin. The company already had to pause buying for two months this year. A perpetual equity-printing machine only works while the market keeps paying up for the shares, and "fourth-largest issuer in America" is either a flex or a warning about how much dilution is being absorbed. The risk was never really Bitcoin's price, it's the machinery, the premium, the dilution, the dependence on continuous access to equity markets. As long as investors keep buying newly-printed MSTR shares at a premium, the flywheel spins and the Bitcoin pile grows. The day they won't, no amount of Bitcoin conviction fixes it, because the problem isn't the asset, it's the funding model. Judge it as what it is: the fourth-biggest stock-printing operation in the country, pointed entirely at one asset. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

hottoys2012

Is ETH limited like BTC or can more be produced ? Bitcoin has max of 21 million coins what about ETH ?

Flashy-Potatoe-Queen

You are right that BTC failed at becoming a p2p currency (That's why I like KAS better), but today BTC is by far the most successful crypto in terms of adoption and marketcap by a mile.  Also your example of BTCs' "deflation supply" is a misjudgment. The supply is fixed, but since dollars are being printed like shitcoins... You end up seeing the price rise based on one supply becoming infinitely larger while the other doesn't move. For a supply to be deflationary, you need a shrinking supply over time. That's the only way. 

Effective_Engine319

I'm in ATL and go out of my way to spend BTC via lightning network. If a grocery store accepted BTC then they would get 100% of my grocery budget.

jackfirefish

I don't like the fact that liberals try and debank people who disagree with them. BTC fixes that problem. Gains are just BTC showing the USD becoming weaker.

read_more_comments

Fidelity has its own etf, fbtc. You can also do custody there directly holding BTC for you in their crypto trading. Crypto offering also let's you import BTC and transfer it out. Even PayPal offers the same thing if you are interested. Need to careful evaluate the fees and see what makes sense long term

0x_Crypto_Pirate

Keep buying no matter what the price. Do it constantly (every paycheck or every week). Saylor bought at any price because the goal is to accumulate Bitcoin. El Salvador keeps buying 1 BTC daily because they also believe that the goal is to stack more regardless of the price.

ElephantEarTag

Yes. Most is in Cold storage. But I recently allocated 5% of my retirement portfolio to FBTC (Fidelity Bitcoin ETF) which is located in my Roth. I put it in my Roth for the tax advantages. A lot of people don't realize that their BTC in Cold storage will still have capital gains taxes when they sell. Also, Fidelity accounts are FDIC backed unlike your cold storage. We all pray that we don't end up like coldcard, but who knows.

pep_meister8

BTC and Ticker: $Pep (Pepecoin)L1 the only Pepe with its own blockchain. Merge minable with Litecoin and dogecoin.

TheCurlyHomeCook

I get both sides of this but the counter argument would be that shares typically are prices in the hundreds. When it reaches something silly like 2k you'll get share splits that bring the share value back down to something reasonable. The average person with 500 to spend would find a 2k share price unattractive. However the exact same company with same value could share split x10 so that the value is now 200, and suddenly it feels tangible and they'll invest. This is a loose example but it's meant to show that there is a genuine barrier psychologically for the average person. I'm full pro-BTC, and I still don't think this will stop it's success however it is a fact of life that as BTC has grown in value, it has become less attractive to those who don't understand because they think buying 0.003 BTC is useless. People who know nothing about BTC don't understand that it's divisible and therefore at 80k it seems ridiculous.

BaldGuyAce

What you’re saying is theoretical. But right now you have to turn your btc into dollars to actually spend it. BTC can and will probably return a higher rate over time, but I was simply replying to the guy who tried to claim that bitcoin was a better investment than the S&P because the market is gonna crash. Both will crash if the market crashes. So that argument makes no sense.

Suitable_Acadia_190

Captial rotation is real, should check history to see what followed in BTC after gold ran.

Traditional_Most105

If i had that much money and wanted safe approach i'd buy BTC ETH If i wanted more upside i'd buy SOL ETH BTC Dont know much about stellar but xrp i think there is a lot of hype into it which is not always good... In any case nobody here could rate this as objectively as you'd want to be rated cause most bet on BTC and ETH and the others including myself on coins we believe they might give us profit either long term or short term which again everyone is thinking their coins are the best... so people who comment negatively might be proven wrong on your portfolio and people who comment positively including yourself might be proven wrong again. Nobody knows what will happen. In the end its on how well you research, how fast you could see things or read news others might read too late, how well you could speculate before others start speculating and the part nobody has control over is how lucky you can be. Cause you might have done everything right and a negative development you have no control over might ruin your whole approach...

Kazixt

Exactly what part does the beginning of your comment have to do with ANYTHING BTC related?

Careless-Avocado-207

Whilst you’re there, nip back to my younger self and advise him very strongly to buy way more than one BTC when it was £86.

assembly_learner

I'm skeptical of them getting the funds back. Just stealling 4000BTC is already a huge crime

lilvixen

Can mail me cash in an envelope I'll send u BTC I promise bro

CryptoTradersChat

BTC is getting ready for a climb to 82k... :)

eetmyfartz

I think Crypto doesn't have enough track record to plan out 5 years from now, but if I had to pick one it would definitely be BTC.

renba7

Do you think BTC will go up in the long term? Buy it asap. Do you think it will go down, in the long term?Never buy it.

SimplyShred

I am thinking a 30-50% correction is much more possible than a continued push to 100k. 4 year cycle is still intact until proven otherwise even though we are dangerously close Bear markets make fool of both bulls and bears. Even though it’s early September I am anticipating BTC has locally topped and its all down here for here q4

whataday13

Yeah but we don’t know how much privacy will be at the forefront in the future. Could be an expensive upgrade from BTC

ubermensch1001

Bro, I never said I was buying more ADA lol. I am also 80% BTC and been around since 2018. I bought heavily in 2022 and been doing so again this year, this why I'm leaning towards being 100% BTC with these funds. I've considered maybe getting some Solana but not really that excited about it at this price. Also, I used coingecko for alt pairings to BTC.

ShittingOutPosts

That’s as far back as Coinbase reports. But if you think ADA will perform like it did in its first few years, then by all means buy more. I honestly could not care less. FWIW, I rode my ADA from about $0.10 to $3.00, and eventually dumped it around $0.80. At the time I thought that was the bottom…yet here we are. Converting my alts to BTC was one of the best financial decisions of my life. I’m just trying to provide you with some perspective.

ubermensch1001

Bro, June was the bottom for alts and we are just now starting to stabilize. ADA specifically is right around the lows of late 2022. It makes no sense to sell that now but I could totally see a case for that when it runs along with the rest of the market, which will happen. A 2x is only 44 cents, whereas for BTC this is 160k. If we see BTC run to 160k, whenever that happens, alts will collectively explode. Again, I can see offloading this during a rally but not when we are consolidating after a major bear market low.

ShittingOutPosts

It’s not always the case that alts outperform BTC. I posted a chart in a separate comment. ADA/BTC is trending rapidly to zero.

ubermensch1001

OK, and? You don't sell at the bottom, you are also not showing the chart going back to 2017. You are starting from around the beginning of the 2021 bull market until now. If you aren't aware, alts have collectively done nothing since this time period and done poorly compared to BTC.

ubermensch1001

You realize that if BTC hits 100k within a year the rest of the market will run with it, right? Why would I sell an asset that retail completely capitulated on back in June after the secondfi wallet hack when whales were and have been loading up? Literally makes no sense to do sell that now. I could see a case for maybe selling that and putting it into a different alt perhaps, but definitely not to go into BTC.

Weeklysetups

R/stocksetups banked hard on BTC pump last week 🤝

AdObjective9199

That's pretty concerning, especially with that amount of BTC involved. It'll be interesting to see how they address this issue.

ShittingOutPosts

Because ADA will bleed out against BTC.

BlazingPalm

Ah, that makes better sense, thank you. So basically, UTXOs? And estimates are often seeing individual UTXOs from well-managed wallets (not reusing receive addresses) being swept rather than the entire wallet of all UTXOs, resulting in a likely undercount of the stolen BTC. Followup passphrase question: do you think PP wallets were even attempted by the attacker? If you had a compromised seed and a weak PP wallet of “ABC”, would that have likely saved that wallet? Perhaps it would’ve survived up until now, but now secondary scavengers are retracing the now-empty seeds but also trying to brute force any PP wallets.

Asz12_Bob

Superstitions? I look at the chart and I see 4 four year cycles behind us. Hardly superstition. What do you attribute to BTC price action, Saylor's tweets? Whose in the White House? Or are you just a blind hodl forever type

Express-Economist-86

\~$1,987,932.36 \- BTC power law calculator.

everyoneisapotato

Hmm let me share this with you all… this my 4th cycle and all the coins that pumped went down 95% at the mid/end of the cycle. Exceptions being BTC, ETH and BNB. I would humbly suggest that of you want to make any kinda money in crypto… keep DCAing in BTC/ETH and play with your luck with meme coins with the money you don’t regret if you loose.

ubermensch1001

Heavily leaning towards 100% BTC because I already am holding a lot of money in ETH and ADA, been in the market for a long time. Considering Solana but not super excited about buying at this price.

Leather_Table9283

BTC

_blockchainlife

20% is too high. Aim to max out your ROTH IRA each year and put it in a S&P500 ETF like VOO or a more broad all world ETF like VT. For me, crypto (and by crypto I only mean BTC) is part of my portfolio, but I keep it between 3-5%, but ONLY after you've maxed out the ROTH IRA.

Izautrin

No, nobody got anything back, and realistically nobody will through the attacker returning it. Bitcoin transactions are final, there are no chargebacks, and Coinkite is not on the hook to refund the losses. The money definitely moved though, it did not just sit still. I spent the last few weeks reconstructing the whole thing on-chain. The stolen coins got funneled through thousands of consolidation addresses, not just a few. Right now roughly 2,918 BTC is still parked on the attacker's own addresses, and about 991 BTC has already made it out to exchanges and services. The rest is change bouncing around in between. The one path that could actually return some of it is not the attacker having a change of heart, it is law enforcement freezing the parked funds if they ever try to push them through a regulated exchange. That is why mapping the exchange and service endpoints matters. It is a long shot, but it is the only realistic lever. And a warning for anyone still holding an affected wallet: the sweeper is still live, the most recent automated drain I could find was in mid-August. Do not send anything to the old addresses, it will be gone within minutes. Full writeup and data if you want to dig in: [https://github.com/izautrin/coldcard-rng-audit](https://github.com/izautrin/coldcard-rng-audit)

bitusher

It could be a "grey hat hacker" who is hoping there will be a small reward of 1 BTC or more offered by blockstream for details and aid in patching the bug.

bitusher

It could be a "grey hat hacker" who is hoping there will be a small reward of 1 BTC or more offered by blockstream for details and aid in patching the bug.

Vipu2

It literally is just 1 shitcoin like any other, there is just promise that X amount of those coins redeems Y amount of BTC when you swap them.