BTC

MarioWilson122

Yeah, this administration has been very bad for crypto, tbh. Even during what was supposed to be a bull year, things were terrible. Anyway, I do think that's unlikely, but never count out BTC. We still have a month and a half to go, which is plenty of time for that to happen.

wulfrunian77

It's been a long old dip BTC's days in the sun are long gone. At best it might give moderate returns but gone are the dreams of retiring early I have a decent amount of BTC btw so a realist over a hater

Pueschi

Doesn't matter, just keep at least 3x your monthly income on your bank account for emergencies and only use what can afford to lose or won't need in the next 10+ years. Also if you want to save money you will NEED for retirement, don't bet everything on BTC. If you want to buy a house in the next 5 years or so, invest the money im less risky stuff. Never believe in BTC predictions, cash out when you reached your goal, or at least part of it and don't sell low/ buy high. When the predictions from big organizations go crazy like "BTC 2.000.000$ in 2030" GET OUT!

Alexander-305

Mostly it's a BTC drawdown dragging everything with it. BTC is around $71.6k (CoinGecko, 3:12 PM ET), down about 3.8% on the day, 14% over 30 days and roughly 43% under the Oct 2025 high of $126k. ETH (-20% over 30 days) and SOL (-24%) are falling harder, which is normal when risk appetite drains: BTC dominance is near 59.5%, so money is hiding in the biggest coin rather than rotating into alts, and Fear & Greed sits at 28. How long is the honest unknown. The thing I'd watch is whether alts stop underperforming BTC on red days; until that happens, bounces tend to get sold, so I'd size positions assuming another leg down is possible.

FullyAutomatedSpace

your prediction could just as easily be that it will now go down after plateauing. inflation being high does not mean BTC will go up. main other cryptocurrencies also have fixed supply and yet have gone down during inflationary periods. this is just hope mascarading as analysis.

Dizzy-Yesterday-290

When was BTC $188K?

Weird_Top_1848

I bought the dip and I should of waited its going lower? BTC is on sale rn!!!!!! Markets do not like Nividia news.

conulgbo

Name one thing in which BTC is better for AI than stablecoins. Except long term store of value which is questionable and niche use case, certainly not something which would make it the obvious choice

Clean_Bake_2180

Probably more 10-year Treasury yield is back up to 5.11. The 5-year BTC return is 9.3%. A toolish “investment” considering no cash flows/dividends.

SkinOpening6284

Yeah, but under what scenario would AI transact independently? Or need to save on its own? That's my core question. Let's say AI develops autonomy and there is a scenario where an agent would hire a human contractor to conduct physical tasks. Someone undoubtedly will be behind the AI providing funds to do so, and the contractor would need to accept them. As it stands, at least in developed markets, there is no scenario where conducting transactions in either BTC or stablecoins would be more beneficial and convenient to both parties in comparison to transacting via traditional payment methods. This changes if the contractors are in other countries such as Venezuela, Argentina, Thailand, etc. but the argument is still not strong to warrant significant developments or adoption. As to savings, I don't see any scenario under which AI agents would "save" on their own and use crypto. Once the questions "why?" And "for what?" Are made, I can't think of any viable answer. Like I said, I'm invested in both, but I just don't see it.

GlitteringSpray9140

I've been heavily stacking since 78K and plan on continuing so long as it;'s under that, with the goal of selling slightly beneath ATH. How long do you think BTC will continue the down trend/stay "low" before rising rising back above 80K? NFA of course, but interested in your take. Hard to find a sensible non doomer here.

Objective_Young_1384

they probably won't "use" it soon (unless your application depends on cripto and you agent has to use it), but they DEF understant more BTC economy than fiat economy for sure. It's just look's hard to understand cause we want to undersant it, the fiat we just use it, most of ppl dont actually know how the fiat machine works. the next generation will undersant btc easier as well then fiat...

blaziken8x

I don't know what currency you used to buy it, but right now it's at 6.6 cents (USD). It may be possible that we are at rock bottom. If and when BTC goes back up, it is very likely that doge will reach something around 30 cents (USD). Here is crypto fear and greed index: https://coinmarketcap.com/charts/fear-and-greed-index/ Usually, when there is fear in the market, you will also be afraid and want to sell. And when there is high greed, you will also feel greed and will not want to sell and will even buy more. If you believe in something long term, you should buy when there is fear and sell when there is greed.

Aykyo_

You clearly don’t know anything about the four-year BTC cycle

useless-flame

Hey man no mean comment here just a recommendation to dollar cost average buy on a regular basis. If you have a 10 year outlook, it won’t matter much if you were buying BTC at 80k or 65k or every price in between, anything under 100k will look like a silly-good entry and anything under 1 million will look wise.

Aykyo_

Pretty sure BTC is already mainstream bud

SuperUserAI

Love the "something is better than nothing" spirit—and sharing the source as a `.txt` so anyone can host their own is awesome. Splitting the keyspace across your phone's cores and verifying it on the old solved puzzles is a really solid way to test things out. Funny enough, I had the exact same thought about those random key-checking sites—they blindly pick random keys and forget everything the moment you close the tab. That’s what pushed me to build **PUZZLE.GRID**([https://cpaawj4efh0kdbzl1ht5d1w4.macaly.app/](https://cpaawj4efh0kdbzl1ht5d1w4.macaly.app/)). Instead of pure random guessing, it uses your payout BTC address as a lightweight account to log every completed chunk of the keyspace. That way, you never scan the same range twice—even after a refresh or reboot (each user keeps their own isolated search space, so it’s not a shared pool). It also generates a quick share link for your address, so you could run it on your ZenFone and a PC at the same time, and both devices will automatically work on non-overlapping chunks. It runs via WebGPU when supported (with a CPU fallback for mobile) and includes a small demo range so you can watch it actually hit a target key, just like your solved-puzzle tests. Keep building—tinkering with this stuff is a super fun rabbit hole!

IrieMars

Why what happen3d? BTC back at $300?

ActualTangerine2583

Not sure about your projected low of BTC, but I agree with rest. 

edwardzona

BTC dropping is not done, but 'pumping' is a thing of the past.

edwardzona

BTC will never be done. But the price spikes are done. Expect to see price appreciation like the stock market indexes and no more.

edwardzona

I don't find fault with anything you wrote. But, BTC has been seeking it's appropriate price for almost 2 decades and the adjustments for expectations are always down. Returns for each cycle are dramatically diminished and that will continue until CAGR is close to stock market indexes. And, we are almost at that point.

SkinOpening6284

That's not the case at all. User-funded wallets, prepaid digital cards, etc. would be more widely accepted and easier to implement alternatives. And even if for some reason those options were off the table, I don't understand why BTC would be used instead of stablecoins. I say all of this as a BTC holder. Perhaps I'm missing something.

ProfessionalLink61

Why is that? BTC is crypto shit. Explain your logic please

DistributionOk2111

You cant compare the whole krypto shit to BTC

jasonslpt

Mostly forced selling. On our Hunter Killer liquidation feed about 93% of the BTC liquidation volume over the last 24 hours was longs, roughly $220M, so leverage got flushed on the way down. Our Hunter Killer liquidation heatmap still shows the bigger pressure below price: about $114M of longs near 71,538 and a much larger pool of roughly $733M near 70,406. Above, the nearest short pool is near 71,735 and the large one is about $308M near 73,348. I lean lower into that 70,400 area first. An hour holding above 73,350 would prove that wrong. How long it lasts nobody can say, but moves like this usually slow down once the big long pools are cleared. Not advice.

Clean-Object-4997

Sell the BTC and buy Nvidia instead

Possible-Local-9357

BTC we should be prepared for further drawdown. People selling for the Anthropic IPO. BTC still king though eventually it all comes back

b1gb0n312

This. BTC is coupled with nvda and jensen

avtarius

if only all that dormant/lost BTC can be active, if only

ColtAzayaka

BTC went down 1%. Why? Is it crashing? What price will it be in a week? When should I buy and sell? Will it be cheaper next month? Also why hasn't bitcoin increased the same way it did at the start? Will it do that again? I'm unsure if this will make me a billionaire or if it'll mean I lose all my savings. i wanted to buy BTC on my trading app but i can't find the bitcoin stock? which is the right one? let me know once you've finished thinking for me and can tell me what happens in the future. thanks. /s

jaunty_mellifluous

BTC going to zero

devCheckingIn

All green candles in the stock market today. Congrats on the big reversal and recovery. Now, taking a look at the BTC chart...........

Daethir

It would be way less embarassing if you used astrology to predict BTC pricing.

Drevinth

BTC is done? Do people actually think this?

Consistent-Stage-217

Most people who think BTC is dead are people who bought on top.

Time_Wheel9367

Sold two thirds of my BTC pre-AI selloff last week and rotated into AI near the bottom. I am feeling significantly happier now.

dededowns104

Haha, chill, bro. Focus on your work or just put on a movie instead of getting worked up over other people selling BTC 😂

OP_Scout_81

I really don't care at this point, after going through the Celsius bankruptcy etc. Next alt season, if there's one ever again, I'm converting everything to BTC to add to what I have (and got back), and that's it. Absolutely not putting another cent in, nor taking anything out. I'll look at the price again in 20 years or so.

TuneOk9321

They need liquidity for the Anthropic IPO. I‘m 100% bearish on the BTC, buying at 50K again.

hunger249

I swear i fear my for own BTC holding when i see the HODLers are people like that guy

BoseForte

A lot of people have gone through this because they didn’t have any idea BTC was going to be what it is now. Hell someone probably has the laptop and already mined it

Oren_Lester

this whole BTC sub became so pathetic

DaVirus

No one thinks BTC is done...

devCheckingIn

If you believe people like Michael Howell, we've been in a global liquidity crunch and it hurts assets like BTC more than any other. Either way, the ETF outflows tell the story and the momentum is still intact. Retail has no money to step in, and those who do are consistently buying the stock market dips. DATs like Strategy and Strive buy some BTC, but nowhere near enough to make up for the newly mined BTC added to the supply every week.

mwam22

Next year’s perhaps. BTC is toast

Ok-Signal-790

I don't really care where Bitcoin will be in four years. If it's heading to $250K or $500K, trust me, I'll be buying along the way. But when you're placing large orders, even a $100 difference in your entry or exit price matters. Multiply that by a significant BTC position, and you'll understand why precision matters to me. I'm focused on maximizing opportunities along the way, not just buying and hoping for the best over the next four years..

Ok-Signal-790

40K might sound crazy to some people, but it's actually one of the scenarios I'm considering too. Although if BTC heads that low, I'd be looking closer to $38K rather than $40K

SatoshiNakamoto_2009

I'm selling my house soon to buy BTC with all of it if it goes down to 60k and if it goes down below 60k im selling my whole land that my grand grand grand father left for me to buy at 50k and if goes down to 100$ im selling all my clothes going butt naked to buy all the BTC I can, It's temporary loss

lizflip222

Sadly, most people will loose money trying to trade BTC so, yes that is the real thing. Or do you have a bunch of friends that got rich trading crypto? Hardly doubt it.

cban_3489

I think it's not people. It's bots. BTC moves with the market (for now) because institutional bots move like this.

Advanced-Ice2095

Will margin call floors be triggered like dominoes below a certain point? Too many gamblers betting on BTC never going below a certain threshold.

AllisonHP

I am just curious about your point of view. Historically, BTC always has had 70% or more drawdowns from its last "All Time High (ATH)". The most we have had in this cycle is 52% at 58K. What makes you think it should be different this cycle? Is it your instinct or do you have a concrete argument? Besides, BTC has always had 4 year Boom and Bust cycles. We are only 1 year from the last ATH. Again, what has changed this cycle? Macro news doesn't look promising either with 2 large scale conflicts and uncertainty affecting global trade due to the oil shortage across the world.

Thankyouclouds

Yeah not understanding blaming Jensen for this, he's never really been correlated with BTC.

Abject-Stretch-1187

Yup I saw that. There’s still a lot of hours left in the day lol it may go down even more thus bringing BTC down with it. 

lizflip222

At current price BTC just dropped around 40% from ATH. There's still a lot more to go down. Historically a 70% drop feels more like the real thing on a bear market

BristlingB

Congrats on fuck you money. I am all in on BTC but here is what I would do if I were you. Split the difference and buy half of what you were going to buy. No matter what you will be half right and half wrong which is huge when your position is that big.

Abject-Stretch-1187

This is where the correlation aspect isn’t doing BTC a favor. The new cohort buying BTC see it as just another diversification tool and as such when scandals like this occur they sell BTC like BTC was the one who had an affair with a Chinese spy. 

LankyCar722

do you hold 9 BTC ?

Ok-Signal-790

Nine Bitcoin. That was one of my buys. Have you ever held 9 BTC, even in your dreams? 😂 Now fk off :*

Shop21DK

Imagine BTC not hitting your target... I would set a limit to how long you would keep fiat on the exchange... 72 vs 70 - in the long run it does not matter

clownahh

Nobody knows where the floor is anymore. Some say AI will create an alternative that will be superior to Bitcoin thus driving it down. Some say money is being printed like mad making BTC go to $1M. I think nobody knows wtf is gonna happen long term.

Embarrassed-Bowl-230

Are people selling BTC because Huang is stepping down?? 🤯

MrKillerKiller_

Memes are a trade when BTC pops off huge and goes sideways boring the profits into smaller and smaller caps over time.

anon1999666

It was kinda hilarious how a lot of people in here thought AI going through a correction would lead to money entering crypto 🤣 if tech goes through an actual bear market…. BTC will trade at sub 40k again. Ready for the downvotes

Abject-Stretch-1187

It doesn’t take a special skill to say that BTC will fall buddy. You’re not some wizard of premonition. Price falls and price rises. Now I’ll give to you if you can tell us all where exactly the price will fall to but you can’t hence why you get dunked on. 

MinimalGravitas

> I don't think you understand economies of scale. Staking also benefits from this. 3% of 100 mill is significantly more than 3% of 100k. That's economy of scales. No, I'm sorry but you are not understanding economies of scale! That isn't what it means at all. If you have $100k you have enough money to buy a bunch of ASICs from a retailer and run them in your garage, on your domestic electricity. If you have $100M you can set up a facility in an area with existing infrastructure, negotiate deals with energy providers, buy ASICs at 'wholesale' rates etc. This all means that the fraction of your investment that needs to be used for ongoing costs is much smaller, and so the hashpower you can get per $100k is much higher than for the person who only has $100k to begin with. That means you mine more BTC per dollar invested and so your return is higher. It seems quite mad that you are either not understanding this (or are pretending not to for a joke?). Please can you just go and ask about the economics of small vs large scale mining on the bitcoin subreddit? Then you get to learn without having to admit to me you were ignorant about PoW's centralization pressure.

Alexander-305

Probably not done, but the numbers don't scream bargain either. Per CoinGecko as of this morning, SOL is around $81, down about 24% over 30 days and roughly 72% below its January 2025 high near $293. Over the same 30 days BTC is down about 13% and ETH about 20%, so SOL is falling harder, which is pretty normal for a higher-beta coin in a risk-off stretch. On its own that's not a Solana-specific collapse signal. It's still around #7 by market cap with about $2B of daily volume, so the liquidity hasn't gone anywhere. What I'd want to see before calling a bottom is the relative weakness fading: SOL holding up on days when BTC dips instead of dropping nearly twice as much. If you do buy a couple, size it like it could fall another 30 to 40% from here, because in past drawdowns it has.

PrizePreset

Yes, $14t will be added to BTC’s market cap due to GTA6. 

PostingToPassTime

Wow, if this isn't some prime DD. Reverse mortgage the house, take out additional loans put it on on BTC. /s

Win2482

Good ole regrets lol when I was a teenager, many years ago, I played this game called RuneScape. I used to train account and sell stuff on the game and people paid me in BTC. At one point I had about 25 BTC, which wasn’t worth much, but we were going by current dollar value for my work. Eventually, I told myself o gotta sell them because it’s hard to trust a fake currency that could literally disappear overnight if I wasn’t careful lol so I sold my BTC for little over $5k which wasn’t amazing for a teenage kid preparing for college and stuff lmao missed out on being a millionaire, but in the same breathe, if I had watched the value go up and up, I would have eventually cashed out before it ever hit 100k anyways. Crazy part though was years later a kid I worked with showed me he found 2 BTC in his account and it was around $10k per at the time. He was excited but my advice was told hold strong because at some point it would hit $100k and he listened and told me he would throw me 10% if it ever got up there and sold. He ghosted me when he sold 😂😂 just another internet friend so not surprised

loopala

Several of them were intended to solve a specific technical aspect, the fact that they didn't also do 70x over the dollar from speculation like BTC did is often completely orthogonal to their mission statement.

Gaspajo

At this moment I don't think governments could kill bitcoin but one never knows what technological leaps the future brings. They can, however, choke its adoption in many ways. They'd be incredibly hard to put into action and they'd require a lot of concerted will and political capital. Since this is a speculative conversation I'll throw in the example of making it illegal and treasonous for non-governmental entities to hold BTC or accept it as a medium of exchange. Now let's add in some international cooperation on this, let's say throughout NATO members, and you'd put a serious dent in its valuation. BTC would keep ticking along as normal of course, but people would be pushed out of it. Institutions would immediately dump it. Rich people have a plethora of options for wealth preservation and distribution, so they don't need to take the risk. The average Joe wouldn't take the chance of a treason charge just to keep his 0.1 BTC. That leaves governments holding most of it, some retail from countries that don't join in (if they never do), and the less savoury characters that already take their chances anyway. Again, it wouldn't kill it, but it would suck a lot of air out of the room. Hypothetically of course, because this would be incredibly difficult to achieve.

satoshistatues

Thanks again for the notes on this post. Sharing what changed. u/mxm_joy, I liked the pilgrimage idea (walk/cycle the trail with hotels and hostels that take BTC). There still isn't a plotted end-to-end route, but each statue page now has a "Stay nearby (accepts bitcoin)" list from BTC Map, plus nearby merchants and upcoming events. There's also a short before-you-arrive wallet guide (Wallet of Satoshi, Phoenix, or Strike): https://www.satoshistatues.com/before-you-arrive/ u/Aussiehash, the map wrap bug is fixed. The pins stay put when you scroll around the world map. Since this post, check-in is GPS-verified within about 150 m (location is checked, not stored), the old "stamps" are free statue cards, and the leaderboard uses those GPS-verified cards, with ranks for Confirmed, Genesis Block, and Full Node. You can also link your X to move or restore a passport if you change phones. On Nov 11, the first GPS-verified check-in landed at the Lugano statue. It's on the leaderboard as Anonymous #5fe4, with an Ultra rare Lugano card: https://www.satoshistatues.com/leaderboard/ The map: https://www.satoshistatues.com/ If you were imagining that pilgrimage trail, what's the most useful next step: a suggested walking or cycling order, more lodging detail, or something else?

Rokkyonrocks

First of all, I'm really sorry to hear about your brother. I think it’s probably a lot more Bitcoin than most people realize. Some estimates suggest that 2–4 million BTC may be permanently lost, but nobody really knows for sure. The interesting thing is that Bitcoin has a fixed supply of 21 million. If millions are lost forever, the amount actually available to people is much smaller. But I don’t think lost Bitcoin automatically makes the price go up. Demand still matters. It just means that if demand grows over the next 10–20 years, there could be even less BTC available than people think. Imagine owning 500 BTC back in 2010 and forgetting about them. That’s a pretty painful thought today

WorkerPlayful4192

Targeting BTC miners?

DeathHopper

Your math isn't mathing. The ratio stays the same in both scenarios. That said, the person who started with a bigger investment still makes significantly more money. The primary difference is that with eth, all the money is kept locked up and benefits no one but the investor. While with BTC there's an entire economy of buy and sell built around it; land, infrastructure, electricity, hardware, maintenance, etc. One scenario is sustainable and has real world value to numerous third parties. The other scenario is artificial and only pumped by investor hopes and dreams.

Consistent-Bridge-14

I think it is a prank to make you crazy looking for it. Don’t be so sure. I’ve heard of this several times just this week. Remember that there was a big loss of BTC when 70% of people who bought it for $1 a coin lost it in the Mt. Gox catastrophe.

f2pool-CSR3

99.99% of the altcoins will disappear, BTC is the safest choice.

arthurdentstowels

I've been using a trezor since it's creation and keep an engraved back up of my seed phrase, never had an issue ever. I've upgraded the devices twice purely for the updated security and had no issues using the seed to restore the wallet. I used a ledger for a few years for other coins but eventually dissolved them all back into bitcoin and now just stick with my trezor. The only other place I have BTC is in my Revolut because I have it set to buy BTC as spare change which is a great way to trickle DCA without having to actually do anything. I just send it to my main wallet on paydays or very, very occasionally spend it with a Crypto Bank Card. Any other options other than a good hardware wallet or paper wallet just seem pointless to me. The fewer points of failure the better.

eiretaco

Comparing these joke coins to Bitcoin is lime comparing the Zimbabwe dollar to the US dollar. The flippening never happened. BTC controls even more of the BTC market than it did before the ATH. No major institutional investor like blackrock or fidelity has any intrest in offering Solana products. Stop putting your money into junk coins, 2-3% of your portfolio into BTC to capture up side but not enough to derail you in prolonged bear markets and that all you have to do.

Albertine25

First thing I'd do is track down the old wallet files, hard drives, and any seed phrases before getting too excited. If those 500 BTC are still there, that's life-changing money. I'd keep everything offline and ignore every DM offering to help recover them. Plenty of scammers lurking around. Really hoping you find those coins, man. That would be one hell of a story!

AndyDandy93

Hard to argue with that, almost everything bleeds against bitcoin long-term. I use pu prime myself, but keep most of my holdings in BTC, alts are just for messing around

urbanmark

Nobody in this thread seems to be answering the question. It looks very much like they want to change cash, directly into BTC. It looks like they want to know how to either avoid paying tax or launder money.

TheresNoSecondBest

>Wdym dead? I mean, the shitcoin has about 500 nodes and about 0.5% of Bitcoin's hashrate. It constantly has smaller blocks than the real Bitcoin. Because not many people are using it = dead shitcoin. That's what I meant. >It's more useful than BTC If you think making block size bigger makes the shitcoin more useful, you should definitely look into BSV. Very visionary/s

Romanizer

Surprisingly, it does. The Gurani did held up quite well. For most currencies, BTC is a straight line up because they are losing against the large currencies on a daily basis.

dededowns104

They see it play out every cycle, but when the market crashes and bad news is everywhere, how many people actually have the guts to buy BTC? They just keep waiting for it to go lower.

DontLook_Weirdo

Cash - BTC at least has a chance to increase; cash just tries to be stable.

Dora_Milen

The first thing that comes to mind is that you might have tried sending the BTC before the transaction was confirmed. I'd recommend checking the transaction ID on mempool.space first. If it already has more than 6 confirmations, or if the issue is something else, I'd suggest reaching out to LocalCoinSwap support. In my experience, they're pretty quick to respond and helpful.

Scared-Permit2587

It is funny that all the shout from the hilltops self custody "my keys, my btc" crowd have had far more problems than the BTC ETF folk.

NoPunAtt

Anyone that had the ability to accept and store BTC back then was not a computer illiterate individual. Clearly when ATH hit the news, they would have looked back. He is playing you like a fiddle. Just wants to spend some quality time with you!!

kswiss702

The risk is the security he is new to BTC. I would just buy the ETF through blackrock if you’re new and want to minimize stress that’s the easiest and safest way

acertainphyc

I would say that it's not an "attack" or a hack in a bitcoin sense, and so maybe if BTC theft is hacking the network then no. But in every other sense its obviously stealing, as you are taking someone else property. If you find someones banking password on a website and take all their money, its obviously stealing

GalaxyDefender1x

I just hope I am not left holding the BTC bag....

TotallyInOverMyHead

The writing of the original BTC beginners post is so BS-worthy,its not even funny anymore.

Bluejumprabbit

Paying 9.5% APR funding to hold a long into a sell wall bleeds size every 8 hours on top of the price risk. Boros has BTC funding markets live right now, so you can short that funding stream and still keep the long if you actually want the directional bet.

Agitated-Tea4112

My son Was paid in BTC when it was brand new. He bought pizzas 😬😬😬😬

King-esckay

Hard to say really When I buy stocks they are on the way up I sell when they are on the way down ( hopefully at a profit) BTC is more volatile I believe even if it fails there is plenty of up side first I buy it hold it and borrow against it The way I see it, is if it goes up I win, if it goes down I have already spent it. It much easier to borrow fiat using BTC than shares. Every situation is different for each person. Fiat is losing value the entire international trade is about to change, what that will look like is anybodies guess I suspect that BTC will play a major role.

freakythrowaway79

I should be in therapy. I was in Fintech from 99 to 17. Never messed with BTC or even opened a trade account to buy Nvidia, Google, FB/Meta, AMZ. Nothing, sofa king regarded.🤦

longonbtc

Here: https://i.redd.it/ofzhsco1n21i1.png BСH is down 98.9% against BTC.