BTC

JellyfishDull8726

Honestly, yes, the maturation of BTC seems inevitable. I've just been quietly stacking sats through automatic [Bipa.app](http://Bipa.app) buys and no longer stress about the altseason.

fuenfsiebenneun

i sold everything at around 100-110k in january 2025. every single bit. BTC and ETH from 2018 and onwards aswell as SOL from around 2022 i think. always kept DCA‘ing until 2024. i kind of lost the conviction of this space and sold it all. put everything into index funds. and a bit into pokémon cards for the lulz. it has been liberating. letting all that shit go was actually freeing as fuck. not worrying anymore about wallets, exchanges, hacks, suspicious links, you name it. just boring index funds. i love it.

arveena

That's just such a troll post. If you really would be in the game for the last 10 years you would be in the green unless you dont own any BTC or even ETH. So i call BS. You probably bought high if you are 90% down in the last bull and are now crying.

OedipusPrime

No, this is the pigeon hole principle - multiple seed phases map to the same BTC address.

filenotfounderror

>His are just random numbers between 1 and 2^256 All addresses are random numbers between 1 and 2^160 not 256. Seed phrase address mapping space is 2^256... which tells us that the seed phrase address space completely encompasses the BTC address space.....so all BTC address will have a seed phrase. Regardless if they were made before or after seed phrases were a thing.

1pt21jigglewatts

Hate to break it to you guys but the banks are adopting ISO20022 tokens not BTC

Old_Efficiency2445

Except it's that for each of his 50 BTC increments.

JimmySki6166

Always the right time for BTC.

filenotfounderror

the "extra" seed phrases are "collision addresses". so some BTC addresses have more than 1 seed phrase.

Jsn7821

Commenting cause now I'm curious to understand this too Side question to throw into the mix: if there are more seed phrases than BTC addresses, does that mean there are invalid seed phrases? That also makes no sense

JimmySki6166

Put it all in BTC! ETH & SOL have dropped the past year or so, ETH was over 4k and Sol was close to $275. Look at them now.

IInsulince

He doesn’t have one, he has misplaced anger at prediction markets on BTC thinking that *is* BTC.

ProperSyllabub8798

Give BTC on could storage to malicious state backed entities from north Korea and Russia. They can they purchase/transfer clean money

filenotfounderror

Youre stating that without providing any counter factual argument about why that would be the case. There are MORE possible seed phrases than there are BTC address, which means every BTC address should map, at a minimum, 1:1. Not only should every BTC address have a corresponding seed phrase (whether you derived the address before, or after seed phrases were a thing - or with out without knowing the seed phrase at the time of address creation is irrelevant), some BTC address in fact have more than 1 seed phrase. Im going to need to provide some kind evidence for what you are saying if i am to be convinced.

anymonero

Doesn't Dogecoin actually have less features than BTC? As far as I know it's basically a 2016 Bitcoin and doesn't have SegWit or Taproot.

longonbtc

Bitcoin didn't have seed phrases back when Satoshi Nakamoto was still around. Electrum wallet started using their own seed phrases in 2012 and BIP39 was introduced in 2013. There are nearly twenty thousand bitcoin addresses that each still contain 50 BTC from back in the early days and each one of them has a corresponding private key. And there is no proof that Satoshi Nakamoto owns all of those coins.

filenotfounderror

Yes, but i think your wrong on the second point? the search space for 24 word phrases is actually larger than all possible BTC address. So not only does every BTC address map at a minimum 1:1 with a seed phrase - it is in fact possible that 2 completely unique seed phrases map to the same BTC unique key. in reality this event has a probability so close to zero that it will never happen in the lifetime of the universe, but its theoretically possible. a Bitcoin talk thread on this i found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5467010.0

mynutsrbig

Why did this Pu$$y just disappear and hasn't cashed in? CIA created BTC 100%.

NotAMeatPopsicle

Consider the fallout to BTC and all of crypto if even a fraction of a coin left that wallet.

GentlemenHODL

>The issue with that is as the hash power reduces, the network security decreases as well. If the security decreases while the value of bitcoin remains high, it could become economically viable to attack bitcoin If this is what happens then it means Bitcoin already failed and it's in its death throes. Such is life. We don't need to prop it up with a weekend at Bernie's style BTC. Just let it die.

IIIBryGuyIII

I try not to scroll down on reply chains. But wow are you a special customer. If BTC is the line in the sand you drew….. WTF is your opinion on FIAT.

opDimitri

24 words guarding 70 billion seems easy for that guy, ehh? If every single person on earth (over 8 billion) generated a random 24 word BTC seedphrase every single second, it would take the entire globe 441,543,909,978,574,259,289,502,069,055,534,780,422,943,709,515,857,893,772,871 YEARS to get Satoshi's keys. For reference, the universe is only 13,800,000,000 YEARS old. Some people have absolutely no idea just how secure BTC can be if handled properly.

Somening

Where do i read about BTC/ETH and alt coins ?

wembenbama

People downvoting when you can literally gamble on the price movement every 15 minutes. It’s just a vehicle for gamblers. Anyone who still thinks BTC is some fiat replacement hasn’t been paying attention since 2018.

jekpopulous2

People will never spend enough BTC to feed the miners… the only long-term solution is to remove the hard cap on supply and use the newly minted coins to fund the security budget. Nobody wants to hear that but it’s the truth. Alternately 90% of miners stop mining after the next halving and we end up with the last pool standing controlling the entire network. Things have been headed in that direction for a decade now but Bitcoin purists will gasp at the thought of 0.5% inflation. Now we’re two years away from the next halving while panic is setting in over quantum computers and there are no solutions to any of these problems on the horizon. Bitcoin needs to make major changes at the protocol level to survive and we’re running out of time.

Vipu2

What I said that if core adds tail emission or something similar so it goes in Core version 40 whatever, then anyone who doesnt support that have to fork off. More and more people have got into BTC that have no idea anything about BTC, just buys some etf on exchange and forgets about it. So imagine btc core adds tail emission and removes hard cap. Now you and rest of us "normies" are the BIP888 people who want to fork off. If the big money companies, miners, ETFs with most of peoples money stay in core and dont fork off how is that different? Sure there would be bigger fight in X and reddit about it but it would not be big enough that ETF and big money would see or care about it, they just want to buy BTC and see numbers go up, not to fork off to something weird that those others talk about.

filenotfounderror

Can someone explain to me. Satoshi's address have a public key and a corresponding private key, as do all wallets. Why wouldn't you (given infinite computing power, infinite time, etc...) be able to derive a corresponding 24 word seed phrase. is the search space for 24 Factorial words less than all possible BTC address?

longonbtc

Bitcoin didn't have seed phrases back when Satoshi Nakamoto was still around. Electrum wallet started using their own seed phrases in 2012 and BIP39 was introduced in 2013. There are two thousand one hundred and some addresses that still contain 50 BTC from back in the early days and each one of them has a corresponding private key. And there is no proof that Satoshi Nakamoto owns all of those coins.

IndependentSpeck

You are incredibly dense. OP, do not reply to this guy, he is a waste of your time. To answer your original question, you can stack BTC using a DEX after you have a little bit of no-KYC Bitcoin saved up to buy more. Look into Robosats and Bisq if you have a way to transact using fiat of some sort. You can typically use Amazon gift cards to buy BTC on both platforms, but again, you'll need a bit of Bitcoin for escrow to start.

futon_potato

I said nothing of market volatility. I said that the "average person" won't be in play during the next run. Institutional investment may have kicked off the last rally but it was retail frenzy during covid that drove it to the parabolic highs. I didn't need a crystal ball for this because my soccer team, mother, brother, friends and their spouses were all of a sudden asking me how to setup wallets and what exchanges to buy BTC from during the last big rally. Almost all of those people got fleeced in one way or another: \* Many ended up buying BTC just to buy shitcoins which then dumped to zero \* Some bought into the FOMO and bought BTC at record highs only to sell at a loss \* Some bought NFTs (lol) despite my warnings Not a single one wanted BTC to *do commerce with.* For each one, it was a greed-driven gamble to try and capture the parabolic hype cycle and make easy money. None of them have expressed *any* interest in crypto since. Especially now that we have 'legalized' prediction (gambling) platforms for gamblers to try and make a quick buck. So where will that demand come from to drive the next bull cycle?

Embarrassed_Elk_6480

Wow, selling all your BTC before the halvening bull run is heartbreaking. Why did you do that? You would have made 10/ of thousands of dollars!

MathW

You're doing it wrong, you have to cash in on your father's name to sell worthless non-BTC tokens to his cult

final_lionel

Always display BTC price in dollar. Otherwise you add forex change. I'm from EU and never display btc in euro

ek_am

I'd say something like circle's USDC is probably better just because they're better regulated and audited since they're a public company. I would take some and put it into a HYSA app like Axal to earn yield on it too so your money is working for you. You could also buy BTC or Gold (axal has yield on these too) and if needed Eth/Sol/Hype for riskier investments.

Electronic_Quote399

People will allocate different amounts, they'll tell you to go all btc or drop one or the other, but it's a good start, its all the basics. I would personally drop xrp, but you probably wont lose money buying it at these levels IMO. I'm not an xrp fan but I grabbed a tiny bit myself because I expect Ripple to throw everyone a bone here pretty soon. Its tokenomics suck, and its heavily manipulated, the company control a lot of the supply. But, as long as you aren't one of those guys who just goes all in, all xrp, all the time... it should be all right. Myself I don't even have any BTC, I'm about 35% sol and 35% ether. If you want a moonshot, consider a little keeta (KTA). I've done very well this year with it. I'm leaning on it pretty heavy right now with 11% of my portfolio, i'm really betting on a short term bounce. I would definitely recommend adding HYPE to your list, though its probably a little too high to buy in right now in my opinion. Throw $10 in, monitor it. If that $10 drops down to about $7.50 or $8, I would say that's a better buy in point. Personally, if I dont own a little, I wont monitor the price, which is why I say grab $10.

TheRealCerealFirst

Bitcoin is less scarce than its ever been…. Its undergone a massive financilization which means thet spot bitcoin demand now shares liquidity and capital with derivatives. These derivatives represent a huge draw on the demand that would otherwise be on chain / organic demand for spot bitcoin. Yes bitcoin itself might be scarcer than its ever been but 9/10 dollars chasing around bitcoin exposure can get it, in a more capital efficient way through options, futures, and paper ious inherantly connected to ETPs wheras none of this existed further back than the last few years. I firmly believe that this is far more detemintal to the price / future of bitcoin than almost any other factor as it completely removes scarcity from the equation except for those that 100% believe in the undeniable strength of the original thesis of P2P cash as most of the growth of bitcoin during the last few years was due to the financialization of the asset but now institutions who want to sell exposure to BTC can without ever owning any bitcoin to begin with. I dont know the extent to which this destorys the future demand for bitcoin but I know its a non zero percentage,

Mr_Footies

Bought BTC at 2017 ATH.

Dehyak

Almost exactly what I did lmao. Sold BTC and bought a house, upgraded my entire gaming set up and everything is in SCHD/VOO

justcurious3287

So, Barron Trump is worth $150 million from crypto. I regularly buy BTC, and I don’t have $150 million. Am I a bad investor?

Johnny_cross8

£20/month is plenty to start. I’d keep it simple — BTC/ETH, learn how wallets, fees and volatility work, and ignore the “100x” hype. Treat the £20 as tuition while you learn..

PrestondeTipp

Nope *** IPO STRC at $90/share Use the $90 to buy Bitcoin at $118,000. $118,000 BTC is now worth $64,000, 45.7% loss Original $90 is now worth is $49.50 Pay $11.42 of dividends in this period. Repurchase STRC for $94 Spending ~$145.42 to have access to $90

MrKillerKiller_

It’s an alt coin. Yes. People trade alts. The alt market is dead until BTC pumps off sudden large gains and goes sideways for an extended period of time. Wait til the bear market is over and BTC changes behavior suddenly surging above MA’s and shows a healthy pullback. Signs of strength would increase these dismal probabilities of what we the market is about to go through.

Gears6

> c) I think the costs aren't really small, they're just incorporated into the price. Often charged to the business which eats up profits which incentives the business to raise prices. For example, if you're selling your goods at a 20% margin and paying 3% in fees (on revenue) that's like 18% of your profit. I should clarify that it is negligible compared to the benefit of increased purchases. Cash makes people less likely to buy and they can always pay it "later". As a former business operator that dealt with a lot of that, it's not negligable and we by par prefer people pay with debit cards or even cash (despite the handling). > Also for the "sent and done" property. I don't think there's anything stopping networks from building this into a network. But I guess it either hasn't been asked for or networks that have built this haven't succeeded. It's a double edged sword for businesses too. It's not a technical challenge, but a business and operations challenge. Somebody has to decide if it's okay to cancel transactions. The whole idea of crypto is, nobody is in charge of that. So to implement something like that, we're suddenly no different than the existing systems ruled by the banks. It also means, the government can demand payments be stopped. > So definitely some pros and cons but the credit card model seems to be working pretty well in general. It works out of a necessity to strike the balance between convenience, oversight and profit for the middle men. For people like me, we take advantage of it, and try to profit by maximizing our cashback. The system doesn't care, it charges everyone else a high interest. Which to me at least means, everyone else is paying more than me. > It's a huge risk, not just for crypto. Agreed. It's also a relatively small risk right now, but who knows with AI. We're having huge breakthroughs in science and mathematics due to AI. > There's a ton of pros and cons for and against crypto but it hasn't proven itself as a global payments system i.e. It hasn't replaced Mastercard and Visa. It's great in third world countries. But that's mainly an access thing, rather than because it's a better technology. It likely never will replace MSC/VSA by the simple nature that the value addition that MSC/VSA adds is the real secret sauce of why consumers use them. It's not that it's electronic payments, because let's face it, there's debit cards with a PIN which is quite common in Europe. In fact, I rarely saw credit card transactions in my businesses. It was always, slip the card in, type in your pin and a receipt pops out approving it. Basically, crypto can't be a global payment system until there's some layer on top that solves the business and operational problems that MSC/VSA and the banks have solved. Until then, it's better as a money store and digital gold for those investing. > but I don't think it's necessary in their interest to make crypto payments better than Fiat payments. I think they're more just riding the wave. We'd probably need some big names like that to build more tech for crypto payments to gain more trust and adoption. Anything that tries to solve those issues, likely will need the same operational and business processes that MSC/VSA and banks have. Essentially we're back at the current system. The other aspect is the high cost (or should I say energy usage) of operating BTC. It's still a huge factor and yes, there are other crypto that is based on proof of stake that solves that, but we're in BTC sub. 😜 From a practical standpoint, I believe ETH is much better suited.

Hash_Rate_Hunter

The 21M hard cap isn't just a feature of Bitcoin; it is the entire foundation of its economic model and its value proposition as pristine collateral. If you introduce tail emission or remove the cap, you destroy the absolute scarcity that separates BTC from fiat currency. We already have thousands of inflationary networks with continuous emissions; we don't need to turn Bitcoin into one of them. The security budget needs to be solved through Layer 2 fee velocity, not by diluting the supply.

Scottex99

Revolut is great for a beginner but do your trades on RevolutX for much better fees But £20 of BTC per month and see how it feels GL

Otherwise-Cupcake427

rhymes with many other stories, OP was banned. not sure if there's some sort of spam/scam thing going on with these posts (hoping people get their public address and send BTC?), but it's odd at least.

TheBestintheWest11

BTC gona do what BTC gona do

Visual_Ad_8061

Hold off as wait for 50,000 levels on BTC.

shpeucher

LMAO is to ROFL like BTC to crypto. One survived and is the big dog, while the other is barely used

DontLook_Weirdo

Don't ask reddit. Seriously, just take your research off of reddit and look for 'how to start' Avoid YouTube crypto influencers and reddit advice.. some of it is decent but you'll mostly get bullshit answers. It's not something you learn in 1 reply, that's why I'm not going to bother. You need to read up on alt-coins and BTC/eth. Avoid memecoin/shitcoins, those are literally just for gambling. You don't want to read white papers? That's perfectly fine but at least try to understand what crypto is and what it's for. 3yrs is the time we have left before Coinbase claims there will be a great crypto reset because of quantum computing.. so that's very good reason to avoid crappy coins and go after tangible results in coins, now more than ever. Have fun in your research, and prepare to lose money before you start to get the hang of things

Lavayo

Me too. I started in 24 after the ETF run so I'm slightly in loss with BTC ATM because I always kept my DCA. Alts... let's not talk about it. Luckily I always preferred BTC, also back then. My allocation to BTC went from 75% to >95% without selling anything ever. Most my alts are Sol and Eth and it simply does not make sense to sell them now. Use potential wins to DCA BTC in the next bear.

Always_working_hardd

BTC is a scam, now gimme all you got.

blaziken8x

You could buy BTC and if you're lucky you double your money in 5 years, or you could buy some other crypto and you're down 95% in 5 years.

Dry-Helicopter-3000

Most retarded sell since the guy who bought pizza for 10000 BTC

ivme

USD is not a long term investment. You can convert it to good old BTC.

AggravatingGuest1956

It hasn’t been 60k “for years”. There’s a cycle low every 4 years. It’s been hovering from 60-80k since since 2/05/26. Strange retcon when a person just has to look at the chart. If you think the cycle low has happened already great! But, BTC discourse is littered with an untold number of “This cycle is different” and the cycle is still undefeated. Prepare either way.

Dangerous-Bed-5885

BTC is pointless now. Could swap that for like 2,000 XLM or some more XRP, or a crap Ron of HBAR. Maybe even get 1.5 TAO

slowd

Lol I believe in BTC since I read the white paper in 2013 but this video is bad. That’s zero survival instinct.

ContentBlackberry0

To be honest I’m sure the attacker is trying to figure out how to send to an exchange to cash out. I guess they can move to El Salvador and use BTC for everything.

cowboy_shaman

Personally I don’t trust stablecoins after what happened to Terra. I would store in USD or BTC if possible

Pyroll2206

You are saying you are investing in xrp. I went out of xrp to abswer your question. Otherwise BTC ETH Sol, some rest of others like tron but meaningless

Badj83

Why bother when you can easily steal 1800 BTC from poorly protected hardware wallets?

Alyanah22

Pretty good split, especially having BTC as the core holding.

RealAndroid_18

Oh sorry brother! English is not my native language, however, you did understood me very well, right? That is because even thought my english is not perfect, I can perfectly communicate in this language with people like you that only speaks one language... sorry about that :) 2 -> Yeah, Gas fees is for ETH, and btc has BTC fees/transaction fees... same thing, different name. What is your point, dude? You remind me of that meme: "Sorry about grammar, English is not my native tongue! You speak english because that is the only language you know, I speak english because that is the only language that YOU know..." lol

FalconPunch277

I already explained how BTC is useful, and I even provided a concrete example. To help you understand the point in multiple ways. If you haven't gotten it by now, me repeating what I said 3 or 5 comments ago isn't going to help you get it.

_sLAUGHTER234

For 6 BTC, its probably more worthwhile to just mine regularly

TrueRead1435

it doesn’t really work that way though. splitting the funds into smaller amounts and different wallets doesn’t make each amount “clean” or independent. the blockchain still shows where those coins came from and how they moved. exchanges and analytics companies can trace those flows even when the funds are split across many wallets. the amount being 0.5 BTC instead of 500 BTC doesn’t erase the connection to the original theft.

Odd_Balance7916

You forgot to add the • 1.0M BTC (5%) lost forever from self custody idiots losing their bitties.

iamimproved

BTC and SOL are longterm holdings for me because I actually interact with DEFI protocols and do stuff like staking and buying RWAs on Solana as well as lending stables on Solana. So it would make sense why I'd hold SOL longterm.

Ar0war

you have a first world perspective of this but there are a lot of people, specially in 3rd world countries, who can´t access a bank because the goverment failed the people, local currency hiperinflated and the money there became less worth than toilet paper. It happened to my mother in law, since 2017 my now wife has been sending her Bitcoin montly. Before that she used Western Union, which has atrocious fees. And in 2017 they freeze her bank account so she lost access to a bank and can´t open another account. I understand from your perspective that BTC has no value, but this is because you are living in a country where your currency "works". Is a way different story for many people in 3rd worlds countries.

Any_Carob3372

BTC will be worth zero when humans are extinct, so this is technically correct.

rnd1783

not arguing against your point, just a small nitpick: technically speaking, BTC is *dis*inflationary by design, not deflationary

Scottex99

Convert everything to BTC and set a reminder to see how you’re doing 14 years from now

Argyrus777

Maybe sell it to other hackers that has tainted BTC for 10% of the value

KitchenPreference287

Yeah, that makes sense. Holding doesn’t necessarily mean BTC has to stay idle either. TBVs are one way being developed to give BTC more utility while keeping the focus on the underlying asset.

KitchenPreference287

Nice strategy.. What do you think about the people exploring BTCFi instead, actually putting their BTC to use rather than just trading the swings?

KitchenPreference287

Yeah, self-custody is both the freedom and the responsibility. Better infrastructure could make it easier to manage, while also opening up more ways to actually use BTC..

KitchenPreference287

Yap, that permissionless aspect is a huge part of the value. I also like seeing new approaches like TBVs being developed to expand what you can do with BTC without giving up that core principle.

KitchenPreference287

That’s one way to look at it, but I’d still consider BTC an asset. The network cost is part of what keeps the system running and secured.

KitchenPreference287

I’d push back on that. BTC is starting to see more productive use cases too, especially through BTCFi, with lending, collateral, native staking, and other financial applications being built around it.

KitchenPreference287

Haha maybe, but the utility side is getting broader too. Native staking, lending, collateral, and other ways to actually use BTC are still being explored.

KitchenPreference287

I get the concern, but that lack of control is also part of why people value BTC. The tradeoff is whether the benefits outweigh the volatility and risks.

KitchenPreference287

Yap, that permissionless aspect is a huge part of the value. I also like seeing new approaches like TBVs being developed to expand what you can do with BTC without giving up that core principle.

quintavious_danilo

Blue Wallet is recommended through the entire BTC space. And Blockstream Green always offered single sig as well, i have one for years already.

deleted-_-alt

While others a paying a mortgage I’ll be using that same money to buy BTC

deleted-_-alt

While other people are paying a mortgage I’ll be using that same money to buy BTC. We aren’t build the same

cyger

My guess, is maybe we hit 53 to 55k in September or so from those expecting an October crash. But I think all the cash on the sideline will frontrun the expected October bottom. There just is not a lot of easy sellers left in the BTC market, I doubt we will go below 50k.

deleted-_-alt

Liquidation scary. And just like BTC you can’t predict life

bartiz

Even if BTC will get regulated to hell? Because it seems to be the trend right now. I fear (!) banks will win by just buying it out and over regulating.

deleted-_-alt

Just like BTC you can’t predict life. Plus this may be this cycles bottom but it’s not my bottom.

Timely-Fig2030

Weren't you the one asking me about BTC in your cute, little quiz?

deleted-_-alt

Yup! That’s the plan. Others will be paying a mortgage I’ll be buying BTC

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Volgrand

Team "I bought months ago after making profits and I'm not touching a single Satoshi until BTC surges above my minimum profit margin".

Fun-Analysis-182

Splitting doesn't buy as much as it looks like it would. The chain is transparent, so if you fan out to 100 wallets, the common-input-ownership heuristic re-clusters them the moment you ever co-spend those UTXOs, and every output still traces back to the known victim addresses. The stolen tag is anchored at the source, so it follows the coins no matter how many hops or how slowly you move them, which is also why trying to blend in with normal withdrawals doesn't really work. The actual bottleneck isn't the on-chain shuffling, it's the exit. Turning tainted BTC into usable money means a KYC exchange, a mixer, or a cross-chain bridge, and that's the step that exposes them regardless of how many wallets they used. Sitting on it all in one place while they wait for a viable laundering path is simpler than babysitting a hundred, and a lot of these seed brute-force sweeps were automated to a single collection wallet by design anyway.

TrueRead1435

but does it really matter if they split it across multiple wallets? 🤔 it’s still on-chain and traceable either way. splitting it up might make it less obvious at first, but it doesn’t make the BTC disappear.

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TrueRead1435

yeah, that’s the interesting part stealing the BTC is one thing, but actually cashing out hundreds of BTC without getting flagged is a whole different story.

Just4m4n

Thanks for the publicly available info bud. Now why would you think it's my future? Are you shilling BTC by chance here? :)))))

Music_Fan76

Thank God I sold all of my xrp for BTC in 2017 best choice ever...