BTC

Icy_Annual_9954

OK, so Gold should consolidate, first. Currently, it is a break out to ATH. Means it would be smarter to buy Gold first and BTC subsequently.

redblddrp

For a 10 plus year horizon BTC and ETH are still the core holds Solana has speed low fees and a strong dev ecosystem so it could stay relevant but long term success isnt guaranteed If you want exposure keep it small like 5 percent so you can hold calmly If youre moving between chains or rebalancing a lot tools like rubic can help with execution but thats separate from the long term thesis just hold what lets you sleep at night

A_Birde

Well max pain for options is 95k BTC and spot traders tend to like causing max pain for leverage traders

Successful-Program99

"BTC stuck? Not really — just the December options expiry doing its thing. Volatility’s coming back soon! 🚀 #Bitcoin"

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Bitcoin's price is currently constrained within a narrow range due to derivatives market dynamics, with $24.3 billion in Bitcoin options set to expire on December 26. This expiry represents 56% of total open interest on Deribit, the leading BTC options trading platform. The market is heavily influenced by concentrated gamma and hedging flows, with significant strike levels at $85,000 and $100,000. Post-expiry, volatility may increase as the pinning effects diminish, potentially leading to renewed price movements. (Source: CoinMetrics) *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

AKBonesaw

Not to mention PMs having been priced into people’s psyche for millennia. BTC has less than 3% market penetration but has only been a thing for a decade.

SimpleMhie4667

I believe BTC is a hidden opportunity

LegitimateDream4942

BTC is the last on the list that will get pumped. In a bear market, BTC drops aggressively. But in a bull market, BTC increases aggressively. That's all it is. Nobody is buying a collectible car that can double in price when they can't put food on the table.

Arun_Bath

bro, what is this manipulation article. First of all, the company was valued at $4mil, so I'm not even sure how it lost $80 mil. I guess its counting all companies in total, in UK, that had some crypto holdings? Second, its not like they invested into shitcoins that will never recover, or were rug pulled. They put most of the funds in BTC, it seems. So maybe they will be highly rewarded for it as soon as 2026, who knows? Could also be wise investment, its never fully clear untill you sell. Microstrategy also used to be ridiculed for investing into BTC, now look at them - $50 bil valuation, just through putting some bitcoin on their balance sheet. Pure manipulation article, idk why these get traction now.

LegitimateDream4942

Gold is held by Federal reserves all over the world. BTC is a speculative asset that has slow adoption. Funds allocate 1-3% to it; it's normal for funds to diversify. It's just a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of assets that are held. Assets typically held by "institutions": \- Equity \- Bonds \- Infrastructure \- Real estate Portfolio managers make millions of dollars managing hundreds of billions of dollars. There is zero incentive for them to take on a speculative asset in which they can only take a tiny position in. There's no capital flow into BTC right now. When there is, BTC flies. But asset values are driven by people putting money into that industry. Just like what happened with real estate. Now it's gold and silver.

sirbrow

Good points. Quantum is a long-horizon risk, but there are active proposals like BIP-360 to enable a post‑quantum migration path. BTC is mostly saved today, yet Lightning usage is growing—public capacity recently hit ~5,606 BTC. MSTR index pressure affects MSTR, not Bitcoin’s core rules.

Successful-Program99

Interesting signal, but I see it more as rotation than rejection. Gold = fear / debt hedge, copper = real-world growth & electrification. BTC usually lags in these phases, then reacts later when liquidity expectations shift. Not adopted by sovereigns yet, but also not priced as infra — that “identity gap” is exactly why timing matters. Feels early-cycle boring… until it suddenly isn’t.

Cryptophoenixx

15% daily? At that rate, you’d own the entire world’s GDP in about 6 months. It’s a 12/10 on the scam scale. ​Also, rule of thumb: Anyone sliding into your DMs to help you 'maximize' your BTC is actually just trying to 'minimize' your wallet to zero. Block, report, and keep your keys in cold storage. Not your keys, not your coins.

Quantum_Pineapple

When silver drops even $5 watch all the paper hands that want silver to be what BTC while still not understanding either fully etc.

franfishy

even if you all in 500 to long BTC with 500x, giving you a 250k position, you still need BTC to move 4% at your direction to take back 10k within a day... kinda impossible at current market if you ask me

Dalhia_Moon

Predictability is rare here, so stick to BTC spot buys and only invest what you can afford to lose.

Striking_Object_6049

Yes but a skilled carpenter has no use with any hammer against a robot in a factory. Every time BTC reaches 90k, the bots sell enough to bring it down again.

autoencoder1

No ! Will wait till 45k ! It’s coming for sure !! The institutions want to DCA BTC to make it profitable for them long run. Crypto degens are so stupid to get caught in their trap

PatMu5tard

Lower high for BTC on the daily after a weak bounce from 80k. I’m seeing 70k’s before the end of the year

DangerHighVoltage111

When you read the whitepaper you see a clear use case: A better MoE. That would be the reason why people would buy and use Bitcoin. However the tiny blocker managed to hijack and cripple the BTC fork and because it cannot fulfill that use case anymore the pivoted to Store of Value narrative. But if your only use case in Number go Up, then your demand is only created as long as the price goes up. Once the price stops going up demands vanished spelling doom for the collectible. At the moment demand is created by hype and propaganda about price. Bitcoin needs to be p2p cash. A better MoE.

itsaworry

Good story , not sure i understand all the details tho . . . . if you left the $60 of BTC sitting , was it sitting in your account on the game , or when you bought it did it come to a wallet you'd created and then you moved it to the game to use there ? . . . .. . ... Difference with the OP here is one , he was a year earlier and in 2010 it really was mostly computer geeks talking about Bitcoin , very little or no opportunity to spend or gamble it , so two , he'd gone to the trouble of setting up a miner , i think you could use graphics cards or something to do that with a laptop . So this guy was keen , he didn't get it to buy something on Silk Road cos that hadn't started yet , he was a tech enthusiast mining when it was 10 cents , i still reckon it was strange he forgot he did that until now . It's no big deal , i just mildly interested in these stories from the beginning . . .:)

ReliantToker

I bet BTC pisses on their leg

zkrooky

But what if you win 3 BTC just 5 minutes into mining?

Adept_Flan_2417

“BTC’s basically hugging support like it’s avoiding another awkward Zoom call — so buckle up, because once volume wakes up, the price won’t be as chill.” 

D00mGuy21

Haha, honestly I have no idea. I still remember how shocked I was looking at people spending insane amounts of money on JPEGs. Many altcoins are solid projects, they are jsut being outshined at the moment by BTC, ETH, and SOL as there isn't much institutional interest in them and retailers' interest towards crypto is at an all time low (just take a look on Google Trends).

cambridges493

Most of that loss is already priced in, and while more BTC will slowly disappear over time, it’ll likely be a trickle rather than anything dramatic.

Day1exchange

Like every other exchange, we charge a spread. Unlike every other exchange, we display it on the trading page so you can see it, therefore it's not hidden. This feels like a bit of a hit piece (from a banned account, but I'll respond anyway) because our BTC/AUD spread is 0.03%, so a trade is 0.13%.

iamjide91

Honestly, starting with BTC is smart because it teaches you market cycles, volatility, and liquidity without drowning in complexity. But once you understand the basics, looking at projects with real utility like AIOZ can be a game changer. AIOZ combines Web3 streaming, decentralized storage, and evolving AI models in one ecosystem. Learning early on how such projects behave gives you exposure to fundamentals, adoption trends, and network effects that BTC alone can’t teach. So start with BTC, but don’t ignore the alts that are building actual infrastructure, you’ll thank yourself later.

Glittering-Praline59

the thing is gold has an inherent value. the atoms of silver or copper are not the same as gold. BTC is a ledger. the ledger is not what is valuable its the social consensus aspect. you could fork and the social consensus could change. so BTC is much more like a currency that trades based on social trust, rather than gold which has intrinsic value.

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Glittering-Praline59

If one person hoards all the gold the owner would would be a monopoly supplier. gold atoms dont rely on the network to exist. the demand curve would still exist. a ledger with one user makes BTC worthless because Bitcoin requires miners to secure the network. the system could fork and just ignore the holders stash. BTC relies on the network value or social consensus, so it seems to be more of a currency and not digital gold.

djihadmechekef

The “one person owns all BTC” scenario breaks down because value doesn’t come from constant movement, it comes from credible scarcity and the network enforcing it. If someone hoarded all BTC, they’d have no way to realize value without distributing it again — just like gold. New cryptos can be created, but they can’t recreate Bitcoin’s history, security, or social consensus. That’s the part people actually value. Curious where others think that line between utility and monetary premium really sits.

MaximumStudent1839

Bottoming at $50K means it is off by 30% from its previous ATH at $69K. Even with FTX and all the shebang last cycle, BTC bottomed around 5% from 2018’s ATH. So the analyst is telling me BTC is going to see a worse performance than last bear market?

cannedshrimp

I’m glad you actually remember the narrative. At this point all I have left is the dirty feeling that this guy who claims to be a BTC fan is just slow playing me for my money.

Glittering-Praline59

If one person has all of it there would be nothing to trade. If it is down to only 1 coin left to trade then theoretically 1 BTC would approach the total market cap.

Glittering-Praline59

What I’m wondering is that if hypothetically one person held all the gold, people would still care about it because it is something that is physically desired. With BTC if one address holds all the coins then the network is dead. So I can’t wrap my head around the notion of BTC as digital gold.

akcryptofinancial

Beginners should start simple—but regardless of whether it’s BTC or an alt, the first rule is do your own research before you put real money in. BTC is usually the cleanest “starter” asset because it’s the most liquid and generally has fewer hidden landmines than most alts (unlock schedules, thin liquidity, smart-contract/bridge risk, hype cycles). A practical path is BTC as the core (or BTC-heavy) while you learn wallets, security, cycles, and basic risk management, then branch out later with a small “learning” allocation to higher-quality large caps. If you do touch alts early, keep the sizing small enough that a -50% move doesn’t force emotional decisions, and avoid leverage while you’re still learning. Finally, before buying anything, check the thesis, tokenomics/supply, major risks, and your exit plan—and assume volatility is the cost of admission in crypto.

Unusual-Piece-93

Re-read the ops question. They have just started buying bitcoin (newbie). Good idea to mine? **No** Better to just buy bitcoin with the money? **Yes** I was a newbie when I bought the miners 6 months ago, I am still learning. Whilst tax can make the equation better by claiming costs with KYC, CGT becomes worse (no discount for 12+ months held on mined BTC, at least in Aust). If you’re not KYC, you can’t claim electricity and machine depreciation against the cost of the BTC mined. CGT cost base would be zero if you ever try to sell for fiat on a KYC exchange. **The OPs question was surely about most cost effective**. In 4 months, my rewards reduced by 23% and getting sats that the miners cost back looked unlikely. Add to that the electricity cost and I would be well underwater. Rewards advertised are NOT guaranteed, they are more likely to go down every month. So I sold the miners and will DCA what I would have paid in Electricity. I was mining on a hosted platform to a mining pool and therefore not running a node. An efficient miner requires 3 phase power which most people don’t have at home. Consider repair costs and downtime not hashing. Look at the global hashrate always going up, rewards going down; except in a dip when mining for fiat becomes unprofitable as it’s cheaper to buy the sats on an exchange. Cost of miners has also gone down with BTC price, meaning I lost money on the miners. Once the halving happens, there will be more efficient ASICs available so the ones you bought now will be scrap metal in 28 months. Not profitable to mine with and cannot be used for anything more than an ugly door stop. If you want more sats, buy on exchange. If still interested in mining and securing the network, buy a lottery miner and run a node. IMO, the only way you make money from mining is if BTC hits new ATH, but you would still likely have more sats if you had spent the miner cost and electricity costs buying sats on exchange. Just my 2c worth from my experience.

RequiemRomans

If “large companies” are in accumulation phases, why isn’t the price moving? Do you really think retail is responsible for BTC being where it is today? Hopium

Difficult-Big-6185

Step 1: Buy $100 of BTC in 2010. Step 2: Forget your password until 2025. Step 3: Cry

dividedSt8s

Miners get rewarded with fees once all the BTC is mined. BTC will always need nodes and miners.

friggleriggle

I got a Bitcoin or two from this. IIRC when I did it it was 0.5 BTC at a time. Lost to time now...

VariatCA

You see $60 Trillion stock indexes, a $30T+ Gold market, and multiple stocks that already have market caps greater than BTC... having *better* returns over the next 4 years? While nearly all of those are not only larger, more established marketcaps but also currently at *their* all-time highs, while BTC is currently -30% from its ATH at this point? ...Well, good luck lol

A_Birde

Not really if you really wanna have something in Solana long term than maybe ~5% allocation but if you are thinking 10 years+ most should be in BTC and a bit (~20%) in ETH.

Dry_Maize_7243

They won’t sell calls unless they are razor thin and need the capital. Saylor knows better to sell the upside on bitcoin. Once BTC lending is more reputable he’ll just starting loaning BTC at 5% or whatever. Till then we ride the vol

thinkingperson

The chart literally shows that there is no direct long term correlation between BTC being held in exchanges and prices of BTC. From 2012 to 2019, both the prices and holdings in exchange were in tandem on an uptrend, diverging only briefly afterwards, and then continue their own merry way.

Pasukaru0

You cherry picked 3 months so let me cherrybpick 3 years. BTC is up 287% since then. How does your fiat compare in this time frame?

VariatCA

It's definitely been some of both since October. There's been a crazy amount of open-interest wrecking havoc on BTC's price throughout the year though, highlighted near every all-time high peak with longs flooding in to pump up to the new high, and *immediately* a flood of shorts to drown it back out. Since October, Crypto got hammered with short-pressure alongside heavy liquidations, in no small part from Binance's technical collapse on October 10th. Then the stock market faltered at the end of October and just added fuel to the fire. From late-October through November 20th we saw a multi-billion dollar exodus of ETF outflows (which have relatively stabilized to a net-zero flow at this point since then), and "regular" Retail traders getting spooked from the whole mess as well. I think since November 20th though, there are definitely institutional entities trying very hard to not relinquish the sentiment in an attempt to drive things further south. Though it will be hard if general economic market-sentiment continues to grind upwards.

New-Coast-7181

that’s fair — but what looks like “chickening out” is actually just **range behavior**. Here’s why: BTC isn’t failing at $94k because of fear — it’s doing what it’s done repeatedly inside this range. Price is still: • **\~6–7% below the upper range boundary** • **\~5% above the lower range boundary** • Sitting close to the **trade midpoint**, not an extreme https://preview.redd.it/bxi171r2ov8g1.png?width=2934&format=png&auto=webp&s=c998d5d3421c8d134dc2014a229c91b56079c4b2 In other words, there’s no structural reason *yet* for participants to press harder. You usually don’t see sustained acceptance above resistance until: • price spends time *above* the trade level, and • participation expands beyond just BTC Right now, BTC is holding, not leading — which is why it feels stalled. That can change, but until price either **reclaims the top of the range** or **loses the bottom with participation**, the chop is doing exactly what ranges do.

New-Coast-7181

The sideways action around \~$88k is actually the story — not what comes next. Structurally, BTC is sitting **inside a defined range**, not compressing at an extreme. The levels you mentioned (\~$85k support / \~$93k resistance) line up with where price has consistently found buyers and sellers over the last few months. What’s interesting to me isn’t the price chop, but the **participation underneath it**: • BTC itself is slightly positive structurally (not weak, not extended) • Most alts are still neutral-to-bearish • Only a handful of names are showing relative strength That’s usually what a **pause, not a launch**, looks like. Low holiday volume doesn’t automatically mean a breakout is coming — it often just means **the range persists longer**. Breakouts tend to come when *breadth expands*, not just when price goes quiet. Until BTC either: • Holds firmly above the upper end of the range, **or** • Loses the lower end with participation the highest-probability outcome is more waiting. In my experience, the biggest mistake in environments like this is forcing a directional view when the market is still deciding who’s in control. https://preview.redd.it/ipywz5imnv8g1.png?width=2940&format=png&auto=webp&s=2ea9a1a3fe23e92293a4d354c03e7de471949461

MoHawkCrypt0

Not Lambo's - we want true adoption and not just Trad-Fi corporate adoption. regular people adoption. Too many people still cannot see the vision of having money that is NOT dependent on any one centralized government fiat system. Not to mention inflated to no end. BTC will get there, it will reach an inflection point where all of a sudden people "get it"..., but for hodlers who want to ride, an Iron stomach and monk like patience is required.

dividedSt8s

No. It isn’t. There is no decentralization concern when it comes to network hashrate. There could be a single miner in control of all the mining infrastructure in the world. All that does is allow them to collect rewards for building blocks. If someone controlled 51% of the validators though, they could allow fake transactions to clear, compromising BTC. In short, nodes are all that matter.

RetiredAvocado

It's been some time since I read it. Most of it seemed to be about gold and stock to flow of that. It wasn't deep on bitcoin itself unless I was so zoned out by the time bitcoin chapters came up that I forgot them. There were things I wanted to argue and make a list point by point. Some things he talks about in absolutes and almost borderline wrong. Especially since some events happened after the publication date. If I recall correctly, he seemed focused entirely on the supply side. As if demand is irrelevant, and the most important things in the world are how many coins exist and how many new ones are mined. Like yeah that's a thing, but if I want to buy some BTC to spend on something tomorrow, I don't consider the current block reward amount, nor the exact total number of coins mined to date. Nobody cares. It would be a lot of work to write all the points up and I didn't think the sub would take kindly to "dissing" the great Ammous.

dividedSt8s

Yes. It does. A 51% attack happens when one person controls enough VALIDATORS to allow faked transactions to clear. It has nothing to do with hashrate. Let companies build infrastructure to keep BTC running… it’s a good thing. Run nodes so no one person can control 51% of the network. That’s the only concern with decentralization. And nodes fix the problem, not mining.

Complex-Photo-973

It’s a crazy year, gold and silver outperforming continuously where as BTC is still not in the game yet.

Bbronson123

The amount of times when BTC finally hit $1k,$10k,$20k, etc and then plummeted 50-90%… every time I remember talking to friends/strangers just like “yeah I knew it was all fake and would eventually crash.” 🤦🏼‍♂️

MotoMola

So why is it up 66% YTD, and silver, platinum and palladium are up over 100% YTD? BTC in red on the yearly.

Grunblau

I have started to think of deciding on a “selling” wallet strategy… I agree this isn’t talked about enough. Essentially, if you were stacking 5 years ago, and put it in a hardware wallet. Those cheap BTC are going to be the most expensive to sell from a tax standpoint. I’d be interested in a best practice strategy for moving to a single wallet and selling. Is there a way to reestablish a universal valuation? So let’s say you have one $5k BTC on a Ledger, one $25K BTC in Coinbase and one $100K BTC on Robinhood… In order to achieve a universal cost basis again, could I move everything into a single wallet and then redistribute? So everything has a cost basis of $65K rather than the hodgepodge? What if I move it together and sell everything? I think the biggest issue is that I use Koinly, but Coinbase and Robinhood are hit or miss on labeling transactions. Last year I just deleted the Robinhood forms and submitted the Koinly output. This needs to be fixed somehow and maybe it is a super-wallet that contains sub wallets. Cost basis needs to change with new purchases.

VariatCA

The worst part about the crab sometimes is seeing the price slowly & steadily climb up over a few hours, while leverage is balanced and there's some buying pressure... and then out of nowhere short-volume triples across every exchange to drag it back down: https://imgur.com/a/FmCclRa Even while the stock market is looking relatively confident again (and is just barely back in "Greed" mode for the first time since **September**), they still want to suppress the impression that BTC may be recovering as well. Just pushing down each daily candle while throwing shorts against windows of buying-pressure. Wouldn't want to see anything resembling a breakout, that might induce a little market FOMO.

brad1651

They will continue to recieve transaction fees, and the value of those fees continues to move up significantly over time. If the drop in revenue (in BTC terms) is more than the drop in costs (energy prices continue to go down in BTC terms) then the most inefficient miners will drop out. As they do, the remaining miners earn more revenue. Mining will always be profitable for some.

110010010011

I could be! I like my job though, so I’ve kept working. $300k BTC would make me reconsider.

MotoMola

Stay broke. Silver and Gold took BTC to the cleaners all year.

VariatCA

One of the biggest selling points for wrangling people in to most Alts and Memes has always been "Imagine how high the price will soar in the *Alt Season* once Bitcoin goes parabolic!" It's a great mental trick that persuades people out of buying BTC regardless of how the general Crypto market is doing at the time. - If BTC is climbing? Well, diminishing returns of course! You'll make way more in this alt/memecoin! - If BTC is falling? Well, alts are down way worse, so they've got tons more room to gain on the climb back! All while failing to recognize that Bitcoin has glaring fundamental differences between it and nearly all Alts/Memes. Because of these fundamentals, there is *no* guarantee that those gambles will recover alongside a BTC recovery. Oftentimes, they will continuously just shed more value with each minor decline in BTC than they will recover with each minor recovery. It ends up being a vicious, drawn-out cycle of watching alts diminish even as BTC chugs along to the next high.

Known_Click

Gold doing up 4% almost in a single day… which does have x18 times the market cap of BTC, 1 trillion in a single day. And I have to heard stupid things like Diminishing Returns when I say that Bitcoin didn’t even do an x2 from past cycle ATH.

DrSpeckles

The other point is that BTC is infinitely available instantly because it is divisible. And it wasn’t any old tulip they were after, it was very specific ones. This made them far less available than BTC.

dividedSt8s

Buy it. The electricity cost is only part of the equation. Equipment is also a factor. You can’t mine BTC reliably without specialized hardware that is power hungry, loud, and put off a lot of heat. Your home PC isn’t going to do the trick even if your electricity is free.

dividedSt8s

You don’t seem to understand it at all either. A home setup can’t hit the hashrate to be worth it for the cost. Unless you millions to invest in I restructure and wait decades for it to pay off, buying BTC is how you make BTC grow. If you’re dying to support the network run a node at home…

Savik519

You've got it right. Stay humble and stack sats. Number Go Up nerds want to cash out and buy their Lambo. The BTC Hippies are here for the revolution.

Ashembir

When you think of what percentage allocation you want to keep BTC vs tradfi I would suggest trying to think only of the initial investment side of the allocation and not the returns side. If you dont you will be diversifying out of your asset with better returns and hamstring potential gains. Yes you also inherit more risk but you also are still pumping in the percentage of investments into tradfi that you initially thought is healthy.

Ok-Proposal6598

There are BTC options expiring for billions of dollars, expiring on December 26th, and they're keeping the BTC value around 88k, since if it goes up or down too much they lose a lot of money. If you trade on Binance, suddenly sell orders of 1,000,000 BTC appear in the order book every second. The bots react immediately and then delete the order; that's how they're manipulating the market. After December 26th, that pressure is supposed to be released and BTC can "run free" before its massive institutional adoption.

zenecence

Just be careful about exposing your private keys online. If you are not smart about it, it's much more risky to keep your BTC in a hot wallet than on an exchange with 2FA etc.

Opening-Persimmon421

What if the value of the BTC ‘melts’ quicker than the value of the FIAT? Like over the past 3 months, for example where 32% of my BTC has melted yet only 2.3% (according to inflation) has melted.

TotalBeefcall

Big money is hedging their bets. We already saw the top this cycle with BTC. See you at 200k in about 4.5 years.

zepoid

Beyond the amount of energy consumption and "price go up" model, I'm probably most concerned that I don't think anyone really knows how things evolve after 22Mm. And I don't just mean the scarcity part. I mean the operation of the chain itself. It's an incentive concern. Since Bitcoin is a PoW chain, miners are willing to spend money to buy equipment and for ongoing electricity costs because they are rewarded for that effort with mining rewards (~98%) and fees (~2%). They have financial incentive. Now take away mining rewards after 21 million. A whole revenue stream gone. Not many people would want to continue to spend money on their electric bill out of the goodness of their heart, so either fees go up significantly to compensate or operators stop operating en mass. After all, what's their incentive? I'm very curious to see how it all plays out. It just doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling. All said, I do still own BTC. Why not enjoy the ride along the way?

Unusual-Piece-93

I tried mining on a hosted site 5.9c per kwh. Lasted 4 months before I sold the miners again. Rewards got lower every month. What ever you pay for the miners you will not get back, whatever you pay for electricity is just adding fuel to the fire. And machines will be worth nothing next halving. Just buy BTC and DCA. But if you are really keen to throw money away, donate to a charity.

boringtired

Bruh didn’t u see the warning post the other day about the guy that got liquidated and the platform he was using didn’t even have customer support for him to make up the difference so they liquidated his BTC automatically.

throwawaydmvnova

lower coinbase trading fees, isn't that good of an incentive especially for bitcoin DCA example: i have coinbase one basic and the credit card. As stated on the coinbase one site, basic gets the first 500$ of trading fees covered. But only on coinbase simple which has both a spread and fee. Compare the trading fees to strike for btc DCA and you'll quickly find out that buying BTC is cheaper on strike from manual dca to auto dca, their fee scale is tired-rolling so the more you spend monthly, the cheaper your trading fees get. coinbase one monthly 500 can't match the strike price. So the best use case now is buying other cryptos on coinbase. Do the math you'll find this out pretty quick the spread+trading fee system coinbase isn't that good, you'll get more sats from strike. Not an ad, just do the math the fees are a lot more on coinbase, enough that its noticeable.

zzzzzzzzz_zzzzzzzz

People willl downvote but it’s extemely frustratinf when the vast say buy btc and don’t mine. Without miners the network will fail and btc would go down to 0. I feel likke people here don’t understand BTC at all

Seattleman1955

It is risky for most people with the amounts that most people hold. Just figure out how little you need each year, sell that amount at long term capital gains rates. Keep the amounts low enough that it's not a major taxable event (keep it within reason) and that will work out better for most people. The best case scenario is that you have millions in BTC, other asset (stocks) as well and just keep the loan below any number that BTC could fall to and have enough overall assets that you can get a very low rate (hard now).

Valuable-Row-2919

I picture ALOT changing in the next 6-12 months. Main reason is the stock/housing market is still up. Temporary hope thats falsely up due to inflation and giving the masses. Soon the “official” recession will be announced, a couple more rate cuts, Markets will then start to crash ..AND THEN part of that $100 Trillion US market will rotate into Bitcoin $2 Trillion market. I say Mid 2026 as Jerome Powell will be replaced in MAY 2026. Perfect time for the US/Trump admin to set new BTC reserve funding rules into motion with all the foundation bills passed. The market pump will be like anything the old world can even grasp!

BurgersOnBase

Once you spend over $100 something you get the $100 worth of BTC for free! Let me see if I can find more detailed info!

No_Toe710

Typically these loans only get liquidated if you surpass 80% loan-to-value. And I believe most lenders let you post additional collateral if BTC tanks during the term. Meaning if you only use 1/3 of your stack for a BTC (keep the balance in cold storage) BTC would need to go to zero to get wiped out.

ROUCHBEN

Funny how every path ends at “1 BTC = 1 BTC”… except the fiat one, which quietly melts on the way 😅 The flowchart is simple. The patience part isn’t.

MotoMola

There aren't people on stationary bikes generating electrical power for the BTC mining equipment. lmao What happens when all have been mined? The price remains static, what do you think.

Happy_Discussion_536

>Venezuela collects 80% of oil sales revenue in USDT https://www.cryptopolitan.com/venezuela-collects-80-oil-revenue-in-usdt/ Unfortunately they are regards and should accept BTC or something else instead as payment as that's a lot harder to freeze. But this has helped them keep their oil economy going through sanctions. This is proof that there are use cases for crypto. Depending on whether you think the US is the bully here or not you may find this objectionable. But the truth is that people will continue to look for alternative financial channels outside of a world of USD and fiat.

DBRiMatt

The 100k curse, another year ends and BTC isn't at 100k xD

cryptfluxx

Beginners should stick with BTC first. It’s easier to understand and less risky. You can explore alts later.

AutisticGayBear69

They should just use BTC. Sure there’s volatility but it’s also bound to increase in value at some point.

FilmDazzling4703

The bitcoin only crisis is a result of people getting burnt and being tired of rug pulls. Trumps coin just put that out in the open for everyone to observe. It will end eventually, it’s inevitable that another coin with a strong community does a crazy 100x or 1000x and then people will fomo and wonder why they had sworn by BTC only

Savik519

Just buy BTC

MatterFickle3184

I wish I waited a little longer but I really wanted to pump and dump BTC for precious metals

VariatCA

So Bitcoin at ~$88k is still somewhere around -30% down from ATH. Working that in the other direction, it will require an approximate +43% increase to re-attain its ATH. The S&P500, on the other hand, is approximately 0.5% away from its ATH. Historically, the S&P's yearly return is about +10% YoY, and has jumped to around +13% YoY during the last decade or so. This means that buying BTC at today's price of $88k would see you outperform/compete with the stock market's average gains by end-of-year 2028 *even if it took Bitcoin 3 more years just to reach $126k again.*

StackingSats1300

I did a Strike loan with a chunk of my stash. With the proceeds I bought more BTC and put it as collateral. If BTC drops below 40k, I can get liquidated. But I don't see that as likely with events that have happened and that are coming.

Constant_Counter_595

BTC has been trading sideways for months regardless of macro news. The whole "Fed pivot = moon" narrative feels pretty played out at this point Maybe institutions just dgaf about single data prints anymore and we're stuck in this range until something actually breaks

VariatCA

Many here decided to ignore the "investing" side of crypto, opting to completely forego Bitcoin as even a part of their portfolio. Instead, they fast-tracked directly to the "gambling" side of crypto. That respectable, steady but relatively "unimpressive" return from Bitcoin wasn't interesting compared to the prospect of riding Bitcoin's tailwind to a 10x-50x return from random Memecoins and Altcoins they could see if Bitcoin flourished. The last few years has probably been a stark reminder of the difference between investing and gambling. ...Though sadly, most people here who have been constantly burned by Altcoins these last few years will probably rather quit crypto entirely (or already quit) than actually buy BTC now.

flying-fox200

The only "for-sure" way of making money in crypto is buying and holding BTC+ETH for 10+ years. Chasing the next big memecoin or trying to trade will almost certainly result in losses. Also, the original purpose of Bitcoin (the first cryptocurrency) was to provide a trustless, decentralised, peer-to-peer electronic cash system, free of government control and boundless inflation. It provides a means of escaping the broken monetary system imposed on us by governments worldwide. Thus, it should be viewed as a long-term investment and a hedge against inflation, not as a short-term method for making some money.

Excellent_Resort_504

1) Back in the day, I was offered **50 BTC** for a used 16-port switch. I told him to fuck off — I needed the **$20** more. 2) A friend of mine was working at a computer shop. His boss ran a marketing campaign using flyers that included a Bitcoin wallet with some BTC on it. My friend was supposed to hand them out personally. He had a full car trunk of those flyers, each one loaded with a small amount of BTC. In the end, he had several hundred left. To avoid his boss finding out that he hadn’t distributed them all, he burned the remaining flyers.

zepoid

I have a ton of criticism for BTC. But your argument that gold needs "actual physical work" can also be said about BTC in the form of physical electricity production while it's being _mined_ (which is also why the term is used used for both). About that criticism: Using as much power as it does for that mining is asinine. And it eventually comes to an end at 21MM. Then what...?

Capital_High_84

This is like that meme, where you see the guy and says I’m coming, and he keeps coming for decades but it gives the vibe that he is coming. The last fraction of BTC will be minted in 2140, I’ll be gone by then, my kids will be gone, it’s good to know, but the minting is not as important now, as it is with the price shock. But we GOT to HODL!!!

northcasewhite

That's why they should use BTC or something like DAI to have stable value.