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Wu-Kang

BTC running entirely off feels...

oak1337

Let's go claim by claim here. >Permissioned True. Only Hedera Council members can operate a node (currently). They are on a "Path to Permissionless", but that comes with scale. As Hedera scales, more nodes/shards are required. Shards can be added as needed (linear/horizontal scaling). That's when permissionless comes into play. Leaderless means all nodes participate in every transaction. Can't just add nodes like a permissionless chain can (yet), or it will increase Time to Finality (TTF) to wait for gossip to all nodes. Conversely, with only 1 Block Leader at a time, it doesn't matter how many nodes you have. Only 1 node decides the order at a time. Permissionless =\= Decentralized That's why ETH has 13,000 nodes and a Nakamoto of 1, and Algorand has a 1400 nodes and a Nakamoto of 2. And BTC with a Nakamoto of 3. They're all spectators, your node is a paperweight, it's psuedo-decentralization. >centralized False. Centralized vs Decentralized has to do with **distributed "power" and "control".** For example, a single "block leader" that unilaterally has the "power and control" over transaction order, is centralized. "Leaderless" means all nodes participate equally in every transaction. All nodes are relatively equal. **Equal Node Consensus Power**. Each node has 1/39th "control" over the network. Guaranteed Decentralization as it scales (add more equal nodes/shards, Nakamoto increases). Hedera Council are up to 39 members, all with **1 equal vote on Governance** (equally distributed "power"). London School of Economics has the same vote as Google, IBM, Dell, Accenture, Hitachi, McLaren, FedEx, or any other Council member. Limited time duration of governance "control or power," with 3 year terms, maximum 2 consecutive, rotating. Governance consists of network updates, maintenance, Treasury allocations, etc. Hedera has ~87% coin distribution, so the **Treasury only "controls" ~13% of coins.** >They astroturf the hell out of Reddit and other social media. False. One of the top things Hedera gets slammed for by the community is zero marketing, zero advertising. >Buy assets with real public ownership over the protocol or company. HBAR is not a stock, it's a commodity, as ruled by the SEC and CFTC. >X link in profile for honest human takes and analytics. False. 500 followers and include unresearched and under informed opinions like this one.

Sakanita-

Most early miners sold way before the price hit serious numbers. Electricity costs were real and nobody knew it would go this high. Holding BTC from 2011 takes conviction almost nobody had back then

PopLegion

Common share holders own MSTR, MSTR owns Bitcoin. So common share holders own BTC on the balance sheet. It's not an etf, so it's worded weird like you pointed out. But if common share holders don't own the BTC, who does?

Billkr

You should leverage yourself to sell BTC short then.

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Comfortable-Bread249

I started selling at $118k. But not nearly aggressively enough. Continued selling down to about $90k. So I did okay. I put all the cash into SGOV, which earns about 5%. Planned to start buying again at $70k. But I was too impatient and started buying again around $76. Kept buying down to $59k. Far from perfect, but I’m now close to a full coin, without using any additional funds beyond my gains. If it drops back to $59k, I’ll top up to 1 BTC

Possible-Class5969

This is the same reason why I feel it's not yet the bottom. Algorithms are already programmed on certain levels. And that's the reason I don't catch knives even in spot anymore. I don't mind missing the bottom but I'll DCA once the bear market is over. I just look at the weekly and monthly to determine that. I patiently wait instead of catching falling knives. BTC might not even reach 69k and drops again. There's just a big FVG in the weekly

BarnacleOwn604

Good point, maybe they’re thinking along the lines of hold forever and exchange BTC peer to peer for goods and services when they need to.

oak1337

Plenty of people care. The goal is for CLARITY and utility to decouple winners from BTC. The value proposition is the Trust Layer of the Internet of Value. TradFi/DeFi, RWAs, Stablecoins, Payments, AI Trust, Agentic Commerce, IoT, DePIN, Insurance, Energy/ESG/Carbon, Supply Chain, Global Logistics/Shipping, etc, etc, etc... Hedera has pilots, POCs, announcements, etc in all those sectors and more. The industry is waiting on regulations. The goal is millions, or tens of millions, or billions of TPS. The world's TPS, with every transaction on Mainnet requiring HBAR.

wgcole01

If BTC went down to $8k, I'd still be up on BTC.

Less-Information-256

Instead, MSTR represents an ownership stake in Strategy’s equity. Strategy, in turn, owns encumbered BTC as well as its associated debts plus a variety of other business assets. So they own strategy and strategy owns Bitcoin.

oak1337

I personally only hold HBAR. If I had to say others... BTC if you believe in the long term narrative. Started as "the new digital currency for the world", but switched to "digital gold" because it was too expensive and slow to transact. Therefore it's really turned into "hold, hope the next guy buys higher". LINK is connected everywhere which is good, but there's no real driver of coin price. The tokenomics are bad, since LINK can be completely circumvented for everything. Another very speculative one, but name recognition can drive price. Algorand is probably the best "traditional blockchain" tech out of the rest. ICP is also good tech, but it's niche. Stellar is getting traction, but has scalability issues. Canton also getting traction, but has God awful tokenomics. Quant is an interesting one, but not sure the total role it will play when things shake out. There's some other interesting ones like Ondo, Render, Bittensor, NEAR, etc... But that's probably where I'd stop. I don't have long term faith in (almost) any of them except Hedera. That's not to say money can't be made along the way.

No1orangepilled

Puts the daily BTC price buzz into perspective.

Calm_Situation_1131

Saylor will induce an extended BTC bear market because his company's debt and dividend liability will cause periodic BTC sales. The flywheel is now running in reverse. Also, the Clarity Act doesn't benefit BTC because BTC has no smart contracts and/or tokenized assets. The Clarity Act benefits BTC's rival, ETH.

inadyttap

When $100k BTC?

mystcalone624

BTC and ETH I have been buying SOL and it's been great to me. I think Near Protocol will moon this time around.

xBrodoFraggins

Selling the bottom is wild. Definitely don't read broken money, the creature from jekyll island, or the bitcoin standard now, understanding BTC will just make you mad you sold.

RedKe

What other crypto do you think have long term potential like HBAR? HBAR, BTC, and LINK are my largest crypto holdings. But I also hold small amounts of multiple other layer 1s.

ShittingOutPosts

Any business that uses Square can accept BTC. Just because most companies don’t advertise this, doesn’t mean it’s not spreading rapidly.

fan_of_hakiksexydays

LOL how am I the bullshit artist, when you're the one who makes up shit and comments that were never said, and I'm here bringing the receipts? Stop being mad that you bought high. I'm not a know it all. I didn't know if BTC was gonna retest $67K (which I was losing faith in), or drop down to liquidate the longs that have been building up. All I do is point out what the data was showing. There were big bubbles of liquidations, and also big gaps.

Efficient_Policy_176

Nope. Downloaded the full PDF statement and all fees show $0. But that may be of another matter, main issue is the unfair early liquidation ($500 BTC price diff from liquidation price in a second).

MaxM_42

Well we are pretty down compared to ATH, so I think it’s best to start dollar cost averaging now. If the market goes lower you do it more aggressively. If it goes up then you already entered at a very solid position. It’s a 2x in BTC if it reaches ATH. That’s already a very solid ROI. Now no one is really talking about crypto, the tourists left. That’s a buy signal, for investors. So also try not to rebalance your portfolio every 2 weeks. Buy and hold for the next bull run.

Fortknightdad2231

What makes me hesitate is selling BTC or ETH after a weak period.. Even if the property itself is a good opportunity, should I wait a week?

Proof-Teach3172

Yeah, BTC has gotten a lot more macro-sensitive over the last few years. Once you had institutions and spot ETFs piling in, the flows just started behaving like any other risk asset — so when CPI prints hot or Powell sounds hawkish, BTC tends to dump with the rest of the risk-on basket. The DXY and 10Y yield have become pretty reliable tellers for short-term direction. That said, I don't think it's purely macro-driven anymore. You've still got halving-cycle dynamics, exchange balances, and on-chain flows doing their own thing underneath. It's more like macro sets the wind direction, and BTC's internal structure decides how much it leans into it. One thing I find useful is paying attention to how liquidity actually behaves around key levels — not just whether price broke support, but whether there was real depth sitting there to absorb the move before it happened. I've seen Candora is going to roll out something called Liquidity Mirror that tracks how order book liquidity builds and withdraws over time, which sounds like it would give a much clearer read on where pressure is really forming. Curious to see how it pans out when it launches.

oak1337

Yes, Hedera is Proof of Stake (PoS), whereas something like Bitcoin is Proof of Work (PoW). PoW and PoS are two different types of "Blockchains" (Distributed Ledger Technologies - DLTs). **All DLTs are a "distributed database", including BTC and PoW chains.** PoW mines blocks over time, in BTC case, with a lottery determined by who's supercomputer can solve a useless math problem first. PoS mints all their coins at genesis, and distributes them over time. Hedera is a Leaderless Directed Acyclic Graph (Leaderless DAG) type blockchain. This means that anyone can submit their transaction to any node, and it will be fairly ordered. It cannot be forked, cheated, or bribed to reorder transactions.

fan_of_hakiksexydays

I mean the cracks are already showing. It's not really a question of "if" anymore. And every argument about "Strategy will be fine, these issues won't apply to them, they will always have a solution", have already showed even more cracks now. People defending Strategy have made the arguments that they would never need to sell their BTC, they had plenty of cash so they wouldn't need to dilute their stocks, and if STRC drops below its peg, there's quick solutions and it would never de-peg for too long. Strategy was a gamble in the end. A whole system that depended on BTC going up, and amplifying the effects. As long as BTC goes up, Saylor looks like a genius. But if it goes down, it might only last a little while when people still think they can "buy the dip". But it only needs to last or go down just enough for institutions to start to pull the plug and panic, and at that point none of the "20+ month of runway" will matter.

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Robb-san

Depends what you mean by collapse. There isn’t an actual liquidation scenario because STRC is preferred stock and the principal doesn’t need to be paid back like a bond. You can make the case that they need to pay the dividends in cash eventually - but Saylor has raised 20+ months of runway for this in the event of an extended bear market. BTC would need to stay low for that long for the cracks to actually start showing. I’m not saying that’s not possible, but with all the institutional interest, clarity act on the horizon, btc cycle timings etc. it’s reasonable to expect a recovery during that timeframe.

Flat-Buy6231

BTC and SOL are the only 2 I’ll ever own.

fan_of_hakiksexydays

Finally BTC doing more volatile things that you'd expect. I was still expecting more of a retest of $67K. But when you're in a bear market with most of the retail interest gone, and the space still hemorrhaging from people rotating to AI and chips hype, then I guess beggars can't be choosers. At least I finally got my entry for my shorts. I'm still not going all in, because I still believe in $67K. Just like with buying BTC, when shorting BTC you gotta DCA.

fan_of_hakiksexydays

What are they talking about? They already had to scramble for funds, dilute their shares, and even drop their whole "strategy" and sell BTC, just because we dropped in the $60Ks. And then STRC plummeted when BTC briefly touched the upper $50Ks, and that's when it started to flash signs of Strategy not only being royaly fucked but potentially collapsing. Luckily for them, we only saw $50Ks very briefly. What do you think would happen if BTC didn't just briefly visit $50Ks but stayed there for weeks, and even started to go below $40Ks? That might be all it would take for the house of cards to collapse.

omg_its_dan

Mindset issue. If you’re holding long term why is the volatility a headache? Periods of draw downs should be celebrated because your DCA buys more BTC for the same dollar amount.

quintavious_danilo

BTC. You‘ll have no headache in years down the road. Any other coin requires you to time the entry and the exit meticulously only to get rugpulled anyways.

Bogdanoff_dump_it

If you buy anywhere between Halloween and Christmas this year, you’re good. Bullish on BTC long term either way.

ShitcoinJoe

100% BTC and fuck the rest. Thank me in 5 years

Visual-Address-7354

I was shorting LTC from $66, close short. Now looking at going long if we break out from iH&S. This is just one of the setup's I'm waiting to see if it breaks out. Also have a Link and XRP trade on (long). I do not think this is the bottom for the crypto market (though could be) I think theres still one more leg down, BTC around 40-45K. I think 40% chance we have bottomed, and 60% chance this is just a rally. Hence currently looking at longs. https://preview.redd.it/tmrocr8x2fdh1.png?width=3610&format=png&auto=webp&s=858925f7a9cb2c0413b8f427dbc1d40e72442644

Klutzy-Sea-4857

Old BTC addresses still work, they don't expire. Glad it showed up.

Stereo-Gito

Mainly just the natural progression of time aka BTC next halving in 2028 and whatever legislation clarity act bullshit that happens leading up to it.

Visual-Address-7354

Only problem with that is BTC.D is on a knifes edge.

Accomplished-Sand334

The plan is the WP. BTC never lived up to that. It's fetishized and made into something else than intended.

egej

I’m a miner, right now BTC is so cheap even i’m buying.

in4life

If the four-year cycle is a reliable guide, which I don't take as gospel, December should be the low, but it shouldn't be a huge relative drop from here. In any situation, that's a broad buying opportunity if you're a long-term bull on BTC.

Iloveanime223

I hold BTC as well, but I don’t just leave it sitting in my wallet. I earn additional income from my portfolio through staking, managed investments, and crypto mining. To me, your crypto portfolio is an asset, it can either be put to work generating income or simply sit there while you worry about the market’s day-to-day movements. I prefer making my assets work for me.

PrettyQuick

The nice thing about buying a Lambo in the bull market is you can sell it in the bear market and buy BTC so next bull market you can buy more Lambo.

GrandMasterFlushMush

My top three our BTC, XRP, and ETH

wolfofone

This community is weird sometimes. Even with a small investment you will get the same % returns as everyone else. If you dont need the money for at least the next 5-10 years and are okay losing it all then your best bet is buying and holding BTC avoiding leverage or any other complications. Look to minimize fees and only use reputable exchanges. Im not sure what options are available to you in your country so youll need to do your own research starting on the bitcoin beginners sub where I think they have a big list of legit exchanges by country. Find an exchange with the lowest total fees not just to buy but to buy and get your BTC off of the exchange into a wallet only you control.

TheresNoSecondBest

>No-one knows the plan. Also you: "It's a shame BTC never lived up to the plan..."

Accomplished-Sand334

No-one knows the plan. But it sure as shit was not layering. Yes, the WP does not mention the use of layers, but it also does not mention the use of bumblebees. BTC walked to that others can run. Walkers ain't needed today.

Gonky69

Well i mean the vinklevoss twins have been in crypt scene quite early massing a large $ profit over the years and by acquiring the large some of BTC they did back then and such and just a vary of othwr things with thr company idk im tired rn

FitCompetition1804

That’s why I’ve been daily DCA’ing aggressively since February, and doubled up on those amounts last month. Still have limit orders set starting at $53.5k laddering down to $42k. If they don’t execute, at least I’m still in the game. Just started my BTC position this year after waiting for the next bear market to jump in. Hindsight is always 20/20 and maybe the cycle will play out as it usually has and I’ll feel dumb for going with this approach and not maximizing my capital… only time will tell.

notsafeatallforwork

It depends on your time horizon. I bought 6 years ago at $11,500 and considering this is currently a bear market, I did pretty good. According to Gemini, thats over 30% cagr. As the BTC prophets say, it's currently the only asymmetric bet that's gonna tip the scales in our favor.

The_Bitcoin_Act

Honestly the stress isn’t really about BTC, it’s about having a live scoreboard updating in real time. Take that away (mining, DCA, whatever) and the anxiety mostly goes with it. Your candle chart breakdown is painfully accurate btw lol.

flapinux

BTC only until we get QE, then you could add some ETH, the rest of the Alt coin market's simply gambling money that needs monetary policy to give liquidity to make an Alt season happen. So if you allocate 10% or so to gamble with because it's 'fun", wait for a couple years...

TheCryptoJourno

Avoid alts like the plague, they’re done, dead, finito. BTC, maybe a small percentage in ETH

NorthHaverbrookNate

That seems to be the case, just because banks will sell crypto related products to consumers does not mean executives are getting their bonuses in BTC. Who knows, maybe they are, but I haven't heard anything about it

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Realistic-Ad1498

Try harder at uttering complete nonsense and maybe it will work out better next time. Any one asset class can only grow so much. There's no way BTC reaches $1M in 10 years unless the dollar gets cut in half and if the dollar shrinks in value by 50%, everything in the world will all the sudden cost 100% more than it does today including gold and stocks.

Enderbeany

I think the question around fusion is an interesting one. But seeing as the entire global economy is anchored on the cost of energy, BTC’s relative value is irrelevant. In the case of fusion making global energy cheap or free, capitalism itself becomes irrelevant. Our definition of the function of money must change - BTC’s 1.5T market cap isn’t anyone’s concern - the quadrillions elsewhere are. As far as quantum - sort of the same answer. The deployment of quantum computing to attack a 1T market cap doesn’t make sense when the same tech could be used to capture 1Q+ elsewhere. Not saying it’s impossible - it just defies game theory. I fear a revival of feudalism as the real threat with BTC - whereas energy inefficiency is the kind of FUD that is very easily debunked.

makingcryptoeasy

The argument isn’t “miners never need dollars.” It’s that miners earn BTC, so USD debt adds another layer of risk. A miner can be a great operator, but if it earns in BTC and owes dollars, it’s also making a currency bet. BTC-denominated credit is about reducing that mismatch, not pretending fiat expenses don’t exist.

cubeeless

BTC to $400k!

izzity

Just stay with BTC and Etherum you can go wrong

West_Veterinarian150

Heres my take. 30% BTC NOW, 25-30% ETH maybe when it drops to 1500 again later in the year. 7% LINK, 7% QNT, 5% TAO, 5% LTC, last 15-16% can go straight into some stock or maybe even TON coin they offer 17% apy on staking on tangem. Not bad if the price stays at 1.60 but tbh not all in on TON yet. But you could also add UNI, has big boys in there BlackRock

Character-Most1941

I was waiting for 50 or so, but seeing as freakin’ Michael Saylor alone owns like 3-4% of all BTC that he got in the last cycle, I could see that floor being risen quite a bit.

quintavious_danilo

OKX is MICAR licensed in the EU and offers 0.1% fees on BTC spot. Lowest I could find. I switched from Kraken Pro just recently because they increased their fees again.

jcheroske

I really appreciate an actual reply. Is there a plan for BTC to maintain value in the face of changing tech. For instance, if fusion makes energy cheap, is there another proxy for value that's being considered? Or if quantum changes the time part of the equation, what is the plan there. There is a lot of underutilized electricity generation out there. I used to live near a huge hydro dam that also had a shuttered aluminum smelter nearby. I had never really considered the enormous quantity of energy required to make aluminum, but it also was situated to take advantage of what was essentially free energy before transmission loses took their toll. I know BTC mining can be situated similarly.

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Jorsa9_2026

El DCA se hace siempre y cuando hay caidas muy fuertes, se mete más, aparte del DCA. Si no, te vas quedando fuera esperando esa caida... Y ni te cuento si no la llegas a ver a tiempo y se te va... Por lo que recuerdo, los pisos de BTC siempre son latigazos muy rapidos y ya despues no vuelve más.

HamdyTheHammer

patience is never wrong: heres my analysis, hope it can help you: **Read: A Tightly Coiled Spring.** Bitcoin ETF flows currently stand at **-$425M per day (-$493M over the past 5 days)**, pointing to continued institutional distribution. At the same time, **BTC exchange netflows are +1,068**, indicating that more coins are moving onto exchanges, increasing potential sell-side pressure. The **BTC options Put/Call Ratio is 1.66 (Buy/Sell: 1.75)**, reflecting a put-heavy market with net buying of downside protection. Meanwhile, the **term structure has steepened to -3.6**, making near-term implied volatility relatively cheap—a classic “calm before the storm” setup. Ethereum is showing a notable divergence: with a **netflow of -6,547 and call-heavy positioning**, ETH continues to be accumulated, acting as a counterpoint to Bitcoin. **Synthesis:** The market is currently compressed into a low-volatility range, pinned by dealer gamma while distribution and hedging demand continue to build beneath the surface. This is the classic setup that often precedes a volatility expansion: compressed implied volatility, a strong GEX pin, increasing put demand, and ongoing distribution. The hedged and suppressed side of the market remains to the downside. At the same time, this compression can resolve in either direction—the data does **not** provide an honest directional forecast. **Honest Take:** This is a **structural market read**, not a prediction. Positioning currently carries a modest bearish bias, but it is **not** a directional call. The key trigger remains the **GEX flip level at 63,000**. Above that level, dealer pinning is likely to continue suppressing volatility. Below it, the pin begins to unwind, market damping fades, and price movements can accelerate significantly.

DwightsShirtGuy

This looks like a depiction of how a 14 year old who’s under the influence of the Man-o-sphere views BTC.

still-father

Forget alts. Accumulate BTC with post-only limit orders at local lows.

Odd-Fun-1482

you KNOW S&P will recover. You don't know if Bitcoin will, and if it does, it's relative to the growth/recovery of the S&P. Sorry lads, but BTC relies on institutional millions to move at this marketcap. and BTC will always be a side satellite fund for these institutons, S&P will always come firs, always recovery first.

PrettyQuick

Keep half in BTC/ETH and maybe SOL. Put the rest in a all world ETF. Don't go gambling this money away now.

Odd-Fun-1482

This. Fill your trad-fi stuff with the right growth ETFs treat BTC as a satellite

Fortknightdad2231

I'd keep most in BTC and ETH, put a smaller amount into a few alts, and diversify outside crypto too. I use nexo for earning on part of my holdings too, but try to diversify

The_Bitcoin_Act

It depends, but weighted by age. Your 20s are the one window where you can actually afford BTC’s volatility — time to recover from drawdowns the S&P doesn’t even come close to producing. The real variable isn’t returns, it’s whether you have the temperament to hold through -75% without panic-selling. That’s not a finance question, it’s a psychology one. Not financial advice!

AvailableTie6834

you could try.... vempradig which is a brazilian p2p you can do a bank transfer in usd the prices are all from binance and it starts for 6% for BTC that decreases the bigger the transaction, also the prices are all in BRL, so you might want to convert BRL to USD and see how much in BRL you want to purchase with USD.

Mattie_Kadlec

He gonna be so pissed when BTC hits $1M

Ir0nic

If you want crypto, buy ETH. If you ask why, just look at the ETH/BTC chart.

MotanulScotishFold

In my experience, BTC and ETH always performed better than a random Altcoin. It's just a gamble and you risk putting money into some that will not perform as expected and goes -99%. There are plenty of it that are dead. Ethereum last time I bought was at 1550 less than a month ago, now it's 1900. I know Ethereum almost touched 5000$ last time, why makes you think it will not? Bitcoin same, 120k For alts? some do, some don't.

SecureWriting8589

Today's alts are 2022's NFTs. I would diversify: stocks funds, individual stocks, GLD fund, BTC and ETF at ratios that make you comfortable.

MotanulScotishFold

Alts are a gamble. I wouldn't waste money on a gamble. Play safe go for BTC/ETH.

OneMiners_Marc

For a $20 long-term investment, leverage isn’t worth the liquidation risk. Buy spot BTC, choose a platform with low fees, and treat it as a learning investment, not a shortcut to big returns.

argoran87

Yeah, I don't think it'll be that extreme either, but $30k–40k seems realistic. Let Saylor sell half of his BTC, that alone would shake up the market quite a bit.

AvailableTie6834

this is usually the price you gotta pay for no KYC. P2Pers have to buy BTC without kyc too, so having to find deals, OTCers that usually ask for like 2 - 3% too then what is left over for the P2Pers? of course they will ask for at least 4% minimum.

Bitches172882

Memecoins didn’t disappear. The liquidity just consolidated,, in 2021 almost anything with a dog logo could run. Now attention rotates so fast that 99% die before they even get listed anywhere meaningful… you can this pattern out side of crypto as well. BTC feels less exciting, but it’s the only thing I sleep well holding

jgarcya

The four year cycle is measured low to low.. You won't know the low when it is in... Until BTC doesn't go lower. I don't care if that is in October, November, or December. I'm buying in January 2027. Then I will have two more years to accumulate before the next ATH in year 2029. By doing so ... I will be buying around the low of the cycle... There is no need to buy the exact low... I'll be close enough . I do this every cycle with amazing results!

LevelStationaryPlane

I'm doing both and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't more impressed with the S&P500. I keep a set amount of BTC, and have yet to feel wrong for not adding to it for the last year or so lmao.

Civil_Pin_9682

$20 is just not enough, let's say BTC doubles the next year, which is highly unlikely, you will have $40. Then what, with all the fees you might have like 13-14$ profit lol. And that's best case scenario. Even extreme long term like 20-30 years that $20 isn't enough to give you something in return. I would probably take that $20 at get drunk. Or buy lottery tickets with it, who knows. Or put it on red or black on the roulette wheel.

Fortune_Donut7432

Like any investment, there is risk. Your question actually is, is the risk better be taken on BTC or S&P500 ? The fact is that, with the right momentum, you can earn way more, way faster on BTC. It is also a matter of strategy, of means, of sanity preservation, let's not forget that. But you can earn faster from BTC.

AriesThef0x

There is clearly that aspect of self-fulfilling prophecy that you mentioned, but it is also enabled by macro conditions. If you zoom out to a one year chart, and consider the state of the global/US economy, BTC looks quite poised for a short choppy upswing, and then another sharp downturn in Sept/Oct. I’m never going to try and short BTC, but I am satisfied with stacking in this range for the next few months and will continue to build some cash reserves for if it does continue to fall.

Realistic_Support185

Ngl BTC hasn’t been very volatile the last month or two

BroncoBucky

Because my burger will cost 80% more in the global reserve currency by that time and it will cost 150% less BTC. The numbers are made up but the point is BTC won't go anywhere because it's the only thing that makes sense to retain your wealth.

MadeInSilence-

Durch meinen arbeitskollegen. Hab die ersten 3jahre nur gezweifel und mich informiert über BTC. Ich habe alles hinterfragt und habe bücher gelesen wie broken money. Filme geschaut und alles mit KI reflektiert. So kam ich dazu BTC besser zu verstehen und nun feste zu investieren. Bitcoin bedeutet für mich freiheit

Itchy-Acanthaceae841

„Something happens in the world“ BTC drops 351937919%. Wtf is this shit.

Remarkable_Access221

Then, when you think everything bottoms already, BTC maybe at its lowest somewhere in the second week of Oct, then, you can start buying cryptos again! Time the cycle folks!

J5966358

Serious question. Does a difference of say 0.1 percent make an actual differrnce in your performance? Like for one full BTC acquired the difference is like 50 Euros or so. Instead should one choose their exchange by other factors like reputation etc.? 

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