BTC

Mike_Hunty

His hair probably accepts BTC as well.

No-Masterpiece2246

Wouldn't make any difference in BTC consensus being controlled by Blockstream and a handful of huge publicly traded corporate BTC mining farms.

Tex_Buttinski

When BTC hits $1 million, a Satoshi will be worth one cent. Thats pretty divisible.

MalsKippetje

Once you go the ETF route there is also no way back, if you want to rotate back into cold storage BTC you have to pay 36% realized gains tax...

pezdal

They bought 80,000 BTC in May?

TheRadishBros

AI will be good for BTC long-term. Once AI trading agents start being used more frequently institutionally; they seem to value BTC higher than human traders.

The_8bit_Klanker

Did you ever report that you actually hold the BTC on any documentation in the first place, did you KYC before you bought it. I guess I'm asking did you acquire it through a centralized exchange or decentralized exchange?

Alfador8

100% agree. And you're right, it is likely mathematically impossible for even *current* BTC owners to each own a single bitcoin, let alone in the future as adoption increases.

Skwuat

"If the value drops, this does not affect you in any way” This is the biggest weakness. It doesn't affect your ability to hold the Bitcoin, assuming the loan is unsecured/fixed-payment debt. But it absolutely affects your economic position. Suppose: Borrow $100,000 Buy $100,000 of BTC 7-year loan BTC falls 60% You still own the same BTC, but your asset is now worth $40,000 while you still owe the lender substantially more than $40,000. That's economically important even if there is no liquidation. The relevant comparison isn't “do I still own the same number of bitcoins?” It's: net worth = BTC value − remaining debt A 60% drawdown therefore creates a very large increase in the amount of your future income that is effectively committed to servicing a now-underwater investment.

Next-Succotash-3827

You are priced out if your goal is to own 1 BTC. That will never happen. Those of us who are whole coiners are in a very elite club and we choose this distinction with pride.

taxisrobbery

That is one of the core reasons BTC exists, the first and only private property in our history. Keep it in your cold card, when appropriate, move to a more free country. Fuck the state, don't finance the parasytes. I'd rather take everything with me to the bottom of sea to give one cent to a parasyte. My blood is mine only.

throwaway12three4

What would happen if, let’s say, hypothetically, you suddenly found 1 BTC you had no idea about and sold it right away? Like if it was 200k and you went digging in an old HDD and BAM, 1 BTC. Might be worth “losing” your BTC for a bit.

molnardavid84

Modern CoinJoin protocols resolve coordinator trust cryptographically rather than requiring distributed consensus. In WabiSabi, the coordinator utilizes keyed-verification anonymous credentials. During round registration, the server validates input amounts, but output addresses are submitted over separate Tor circuits with blinded tokens. The coordinator mathematically cannot correlate inputs to outputs, nor can it steal funds because clients only sign valid transactions paying to their own keys. Open-source implementations like Wasabi (with modular coordinators) and Ginger Wallet (featuring a built-in coordinator with 0% coordinator fees under 0.03 BTC and free remixes) enforce this strict blind trust-minimized architecture.

Forded_Fiction24

I'll leave it for others still. I don't like debt hanging over my head as I feel less free with more obligations to lenders. Not interested in taking loans for investments of any kind, BTC included

foxy-agent

Governments know hyper inflation is coming and they’re blocking exit ramps to prevent capital flight. First of all, giving up your sovereignty to hold their fiat currency is a trap, and selling your stack because you’re afraid of paying earnings is a decision made out of fear, which has never benefited anyone except those spreading the fear. If this passes it will likely be fought in courts. People richer than you will lobby against it. It doesn’t make any sense how if you haven’t realized any gains that you can be taxed on hypothetical gains. Also, even if they know what you once bought, they can’t prove what you still have (until you sell it.) so it seems patently unenforceable. In your example, BTC more than doubles its price. I’d rather pay 1/6 or 1/3 of my BTC if compelled to and still maintain most of my purchasing power, then sell now and watch my purchasing power erode before my eyes.

PhesteringSoars

For over a decade, after Mt. Gox and QuadrigaCX, I swore I'd never buy into it. And some had (falsely) explained early on that if I didn't want my wealth on an exchange, I'd need to run a full Node to hold it myself. Then one day I happened to explain these fears to ChatGPT, and he told me about "Cold Wallets." Where no exchange/bank has my wealth; heck, even "I" don't have my wealth- it's all out on the BlockChain. But with the keys that only I know/have... only I can transact with it. So now I have 4 Nerd Miners, 8 Bitaxe 602s, a Nexus L1 (mining Scrypt -> BTC), and a few hundred in cash ... all feeding into a Ledger wallet.

No-Review-1298

BTC

Immediate-Score-8789

I think a BV can be a solution indeed, and setting one up might already make sense for smaller amounts of BTC than many think. You can further optimise it by trying to inject it in the BV at the highest BTC price you can, as long as it happens before 1st of jan. 2028.

Immediate-Score-8789

I think moving BTC into a BV is the way. Especially if you have a BV already, but I think creating a BV might be worth it if you hold >€10k BTC. Agio deposit or sell to BV for cash, before 1st of January 2028. You'll pay VPB + box 2 over the profit when you sell or get it out, which is slightly higher than box 3 tax, but at least not on unrealised gains. It is utterly ridiculous that this is necessary. I never minded paying my fair share of tax for society. But how politics and especially box 3 is currently handled and milked is enraging. I am very motivated to make sure that from now on forward I avoid every euro of tax payment in NL I legally can.

Project_Demosthenes_

always just dca what you believe in. BTC and SPX6900 for me.

Markthehare

So if they pay tax at $100,000 USD/BTC, would you get a tax credit if it falls to $50,000 USD/BTC?

JimmySki6166

Bitcoin is a weekly purchase in my opinion, and has been for years! You can never have enough BTC in my eyes!! Hopefully my daughter will reap the benefits of my daughter

Klutzy-Sea-4857

Taxing unrealized gains on crypto but not stocks is insane. If buying a BTC ETF or stock provides the same exposure without the unrealized tax hit, then honestly just do that. Protecting your finances comes first. You can always move back to self-custody if the law changes. Do not let ideology wreck your finances.

Klutzy-Sea-4857

The main issue is that banks do not count BTC as a qualifying asset. You need to convert enough to fiat and let it sit in your bank account for 2 to 3 months so it appears as "seasoned funds." That is what most lenders want to see. It is a hassle, but that is the current reality.

robinsonrichard_3

At the 21M BTC cap, there are at most 2.1 quadrillion sats. A sat doesn’t have to buy a whole item; it can represent a tiny fraction of its price. Lightning already tracks millisats, while finer on-chain units would need a protocol change. Divisibility isn’t the bottleneck.

cocacola0102

I'll make my plans based on the reality as it is, rather than some hypothetical doomsday scenario. Don't be under the mistaken impression the government is the only one who gets stronger over time. New ways to avoid taxes also pop up. It's an arms race, essentially. Run your BTC through a mixer. Go to someplace hot and sunny where they really don't give a damn where your funds came from and sell there. You'll probably claim you'll be extradited though as you seem like one of those ridiculously paranoid types who believes the authorities know everything and have the power of god.

Armadillodillodillo

Keep in mind majority of commenters here have chump change. So they will cash out through gift cards or meeting a guy for P2P transaction. The only way to do it is a legal grey area, like opening a business in Dubai or some other nonsense (Or in netherlands themselves if their business are taxed different and can hold BTC). Either way people who are not yet rich enough for these schemes to make sense from financial stand point are screwed.

PsychologicalBit803

I have way too much BTC so let me post on Reddit and tell a bunch of people I don’t know…..I’ll be cool then right?

jojorabbit11

This is one reason I think Bitcoin life insurance is interesting. Self custody solves one problem, but creates another if you die or become incapacitated and nobody can recover the BTC. I work at Meanwhile, so obviously biased, but seeing this problem firsthand has made me think differently about keeping 100% of your bitcoin behind seed phrases. You don’t have to choose one or the other.

mayazir

No, he can spend BTC on paying for goods or services out if his country

Fit_Seaworthiness_37

$100-$500 every 2 weeks. Am thinking about putting the money in then buying every Monday a percent no matter what. If a person truly believed in the viability of BTC long term, short term price fluctuations are meaningless compared to the long term picture. A person would still be rich if they DCA'd since the creation on BTC despite the highs and lows.

True-Lychee

You are the naive one if you think you will benefit from any significant quantity of BTC without paying taxes.

Rosenant

BTC ETFs are available as an option.

Rustycake

I would hold off on selling until you get real news. It looks like this is going through the court systems and nothing functional has been implemented. You may not get a ruling until 2028. You may also want to contact a financial advisor and look into owning a business that hold the BTC and understand what that would look like. I would say this is not the time to panic, instead this is the time to plan

F0rtysxity

As awful as it sounds. I would sell my BTC and invest some of it into a Bitcoin etf or similar. That would avoid the taxable event no?

KindheartednessOk623

It’s in a cold wallet, I know enough people in Netherlands and Germany that do P2P and cash. This is what they want. You’re just scared, and that’s understandable. As long it is in a cold wallet that hasn’t had transactions with CEX you’re safe. They think they can regulate Crypto, but thats far from reality. Why do you think they don’t do this with ETF and IBIT. Because that is what they want you to have. Fake contracts, just like Gold, Oil etc. Contracts are fake and they can regulate it. Gold has a fake price, and they can’t do it with BTC or any Crypto because there is an actual count of Tokens. So please, don’t let them win. Go find other ways around this. Like get a Paraguay citizenship its easy.

AlbatrozDot4576

Mas o BTC não é pra misturar com negócios formais, foi criado justamente pra não ficar dependente e presos as condições e normas do sistema financeiro tradicional, inflação do estado, e um sistema onde eles consguem rastrear, limitar transferência e de uma certa forma invadir a sua privacidade financeira, já no BTC se pulverizar esse valor em outras carteiras já era! Se você comprou btc pensando em adquirir um imóvel errou nos passos do BTC a não ser que o imovel fosse para outro país, sim ele também te dá liberdade terrirorial, se o seu pais entrar em guerra ele te permite mudar de pais apenas levando as chaves na cabeça e recomeçar em outro lugar, é uma questão de defender o seu tempo de vida gasto em seu trabalho ao invés de compartilhar com quem não te devolve o equivalente em impostos. Pode colocar downvote eu não ligo, é hipocrisia ou falta de conhecimento do motivo de existir o BTC, claro que tem uma banda "podre" que se aproveita disso, mas isso esxiste em todo lugar...

jojorabbit11

The harder problem isn’t really how you store the seed. It’s what happens if you’re alive but incapacitated, or you die unexpectedly and your family has no idea how to access any of it. I work in Bitcoin life insurance and this comes up constantly. Self custody is great at removing third-party risk, but it can create a very real succession risk. For meaningful amounts of BTC, I think the answer is usually having different buckets rather than one clever seed setup: BTC you self custody, and BTC where you deliberately trade custody for professional custody and a defined inheritance structure. Happy to explain what that second bucket can look like if useful.

hblok

So within a year or two, BTC might be somewhere between 50k and 200k USD. Got it.

AdeptRelief7130

He man, Nederlander hier! Ik snap de frustratie en de stress van het box 3 debacle is ongelooflijk frustrerend. Maar ik zou oprecht wachten totdat de wet definitief is. Eerst moet de begroting rond zijn en dan moet de wet voor box 3 alsnog aangenomen geworden in de eerste kamer. Alles wat we gaan horen over box 3 in de aankomende maanden kan constant veranderen (wat al in de afgelopen week gebeurt is). Het niet aanhouden van Goud en Crypto is een onrealistisch beleid, niet alleen voor particuliere spaarders maar denk ook aan alle bedrijven die gevestigd zijn in Nederland en dit aanbieden (Bitvavo, HollandGold, etc.) Daarnaast in het ergste geval wordt het verkopen eind 2027, en het ziet ernaar uit dat BTC pas net uit een bear market aan het ontwikkelen is, dus de kans dat de prijs eind 2027 hoger is, is aannemelijk. En BTC etf en/of MSTR kan interessant zijn.

Nice_Material_2436

The BTC power law was cooked up in 2018 and hasn't predicted a single top, that's how good it is.

Objective_Young_1384

I mean specifically with btc which the government doesn't help keep the network running and doesn't provide any security like, literally none, it's literally stealing bitcoins. Only \*\*\*\* pay taxes in BTC, starting with buying BTC with KYC, lol

Loud_Movie_8484

This is my own experience with a small Ledn loan. I used AI to help organize the write-up and work through the hypothetical $25,000 comparison below. Wouldn’t this be a practical use for a short-term Bitcoin-backed loan—getting cash without selling BTC and realizing capital gains—assuming the mortgage lender accepts the funding source and you have a clear repayment plan? I’m testing a small loan through Ledn, and it’s been pretty neat learning the process. When BTC was around $75k, I didn’t have spare cash, so I borrowed against my holdings and bought about $1,000 more. My situation is different from a house purchase and adds leverage, but it’s helped me understand the mechanics. A few lessons learned: Figure out the repayment route first. I initially thought I needed to buy USDC and pay exchange and transfer fees. Ledn also supports USD repayment through ACH. Cash App offers free standard bank transfers, so that’s a route worth checking against the banking instructions Ledn provides. The interest rate is annual. At my 11.49% rate, 90 days costs roughly 2.83% in interest, before any applicable fees—just under 1% per month. Have a repayment source independent of BTC going up. The debt remains if BTC drops, and the pledged collateral can be liquidated. Here’s a hypothetical comparison. Suppose you need $25,000, half the value of the BTC you’d sell is capital gain, and you owe 20% tax on that gain: Sell $25,000 of BTC: $12,500 of gains creates $2,500 in taxes, leaving $22,500. To net the full $25,000: sell approximately $27,778 and reserve $2,778 for taxes. Borrow $25,000 at 11.49% for 90 days: approximately $708 in interest, with $25,708 to repay, excluding any applicable fees. That’s what I’m wondering about: roughly $708 in borrowing costs versus realizing about $2,778 in taxes now, while retaining the BTC. Actual taxes depend on your cost basis and tax situation, and borrowing postpones a potential taxable sale rather than eliminating taxes permanently. For someone expecting cash within a few months, wouldn’t that be worth considering? The important part is where repayment comes from—the down payment stays in the house, so closing alone doesn’t free that money back up. I’d confirm the loan and source of funds with the mortgage lender before doing anything.

blackjackn

$60 BTC per day and $200 MSTR per month.

oligarchy_killing_me

These new rules are so unfair. It would have been forced me to sell BTC if I hadn't lost my wallet in a boating accident.

sgrinavi

BTC etf?

totoin74

Why don’t you be a normal person and evade tax? Just make that cold storage “lost”. Do whatever communist paperwork requirement you have do in Netherlands to make it official. Hold your keys privately. When you want to sell BTC, go to a BTC ATM in another country, cash out, travel to country with the cash, use cash in every low level non suspicious payment. Also put a couple hundred into the bank every now and then.

macetheface

There was a dude here that posted daily memes 'until BTC hit $200k'. He stopped

makasbazis

Why do you have BTC then if it’s not used properly?

Mageant

You could by MSTR which is technically a stock, but it follows the BTC price quite closely.

Cielolo

Or, how do they know it’s not my BTC. You bought an expensive coaching program, sent me all your BTC, then I hired you to custody my BTC, since I don’t really know how to keep my keys safe. Now it’s my BTC, and you are my account manager. You get paid 1 Sat per year for your service. Thank you for keeping my BTC safe!

BrawndoCrave

It does not only hurt if you go to zero. Consider this real-life example where BTC increased from 42k to 60k but instead of only paying taxes on the 20k gain, you paid taxes on nearly 50k gains over the course of a few years… **Dec 2023 (Buy):** Purchase 1 BTC at the bottom for **€42,000**. **Dec 2024 (The Spike):** Price hits **€94,000** (Paper Gain: +€52,000). Minus the €1,000 allowance, you owe 36% tax on €51,000. **You pay €18,360 out-of-pocket** for "phantom wealth" you haven't even sold. **Dec 2025 (The Dip):** Price drops slightly to **€90,000** (Paper Loss: -€4,000). The €500 rule discards €500 of your loss. You bank a **-€3,500 carry-forward loss** and pay **€0 tax**. **Late 2026 (The Crash & Sell):** Price plummets to **€60,000** (Paper Loss: -€30,000). The €500 rule eats another €500. Your total banked loss grows to **-€33,000** and you pay **€0 tax**. You panic sell at €60,000. **The Damage Report:** **Gross Cash Profit:** **+€18,000** (€60k sell minus €42k buy) **Total Tax Paid:** **-€18,360** (Paid entirely in cash during the Dec 2024 peak) **Net Return:** **-€360** (You literally lost money overall despite making a paper profit, because you had to fund the 2024 tax bill using outside cash).

mayazir

Don't tell them you have BTC. You are so naive, there are a lot of ways to hide you money from the gov

na7oul

Bought LSD with BTC on Silk Road in 2013 for 0.3 BTC. It was the most expensive trip of my life. It’s my pizza.

Regular_Attempt_7073

This is as firm a floor as can be imagined if governments recognize the value can only go up from here. Clearly the Netherlands doesn’t think their tax will affect the overall value of BTC.

MooseLoot

Sell it and get a BTC ETF. Then it’ll be taxed like a stock. This assumes your country doesn’t have colossally stupid unrealized gains taxing for stocks (I don’t know of any that do, but it can’t hurt to verify)

biinjo

Put it on an exchange WHY? They still do KYC. If there are taxes to pay they’ll happily argue these BTC are yours, not theirs. And when they go belly up or get rug pulled somehow, they’ll do the opposite. Haven’t we been arguing to never keep substantial amounts on an exchange for like.. the beginning of crypto?

gamezrodolfo77

Do they pay you when BTC is down?

ubfeo

Question... Why does the government even know you have BTC ?

DrSteffer

Depends on your total amount of BTC. Do you have a lot, then a “beleggings b.v.” Or holding can be quite lucrative. Especially when you are a freelancer or own a business. Put it on a exchange. Buy BTC etf or sell. It is not that difficult, just relax

quintavious_danilo

I sold everything and bought BTC.

supermanal

If BTC went proof of stake, would you value it the same?

Echo0455

Although we are leaving the BTC topic. I am fine with a lot of taxes. I don’t believe capital gains tax is a fair tax. As you essentially are putting your capital at risk to make that profit.

Echo0455

Strange how they say BTC is the root of tons of bad actor deals. Yet…they don’t know who is sending/receiving the funds when they conduct an investigation. It’s almost like it’s not traceable to a person.

The_Dog_Pack

So what happens the following year if your BTC goes to zero, will they refund what you paid in? I never understood this mentality. As other said, etf on bitcoin or spot bitcoin etf.

skibidi-bibidi

Sell BTC, buy MSTR (or similar).

OdonsOwn1966

I don't understand the logic behind taxing unrealized gains, will the government then refund taxes collected when things go down, that'd be a bureaucratic nightmare (I know govt doesn't return money, and they actually want more bureaucracy to reward themselves and their cronies). I just don't understand how anyone would vote for this. That said, there are a few places here in the States trying to do the same thing. Hope this doesn't happen to you, it is just their way or controlling more of our lives, the exact thing BTC hopefully prevents.

SoftCheeseBurger

Oh look some more bullshit about some bullshit. I cant live in my BTC

Echo0455

Report what? I don’t own any BTC.

Echo0455

You left a trace that you transferred it to a wallet. The whole point of cold storage is you don’t know who owns that wallet… So if someone was looking. They can see he bought BTC on the exchange. They can see he made a transfer to a wallet of BTC. They cannot see who owns that wallet. This is the point of BTC and cold storage in general..

Kalirides

Can someone ELI5? Shouldn't you only pay tax once, on profit, when you sell? BTC is so volatile, are they going to tax based on the yearly ATH? How could this possibly work?

maliciousman

Spent a lot of money with Block-Fi and got less than a quarter of it back. The shit part was they only gave back what it was worth when they froze FTX finances. BTC had almost quadrupled in the time elapsed so I really only got back a quarter of a quarter. But that experience is actually what made me forget other shit-coins and focus entirely on BTC and cold storage.

Echo0455

How do they know you own the BTC? I don’t understand.

AlbatrozDot4576

Você é real mesmo? Porque fez tudo pra ter um BTC (como um libertário faria) ainda mais em carteira fria, e tá preocupado em impostos? É sério isso?

MrDave1472

Had 3 BTC in 2017. Everyone at work was crazy over crypto. Sold the lot when I’d made €10k profit thinking I was bad ass. Hard to get the right mindset to buy bitcoin these days. 🤣😭

Forded_Fiction24

Yep, unless BTC backed loans are more mainstream, less costly and viable options at that point, which is very plausible. I'm not opposed to selling at that point though and will apply the 4% withdraw rule to both BTC and all other retirement funds at that point.  No dip buying anymore. Used to buy dips but once I reached my initial goal I stopped and it's just been coasting steady with a lower DCA. Just a thoughtless process from now until retirement 

AncientMoth11

Stack until fiat is comparatively worthless which will be when my kid is around my age and she’ll have a beautiful life that no one ever cared to give me or my wife aside from ourselves. Couldn’t join in during Biden bc of my profession so need to make the most of where I’m at. Money machine go brrrrr. BTC goes brrrrr

Adorable-Price4231

A company insisting on paying me in BTC a few years ago and me not being bothered to convert it. Thats how I ended up being a whole coiner by accident

Forded_Fiction24

I reached my short term goal years ago in 2021. I sold some BTC and paid off all debt minus my mortgage. Then a slowed down on stacking and now only have an auto DCA set to buy $10/week. I don't buy dips anymore as I'm satisfied with where I'm at.  Long term goal is retirement where I'll consider taking using some and then generational wealth. That puts me holding for another 24 years minimum 

Life-Talk-2134

BTC [MEMES](https://imgur.com/a/7ahTMGZ) are the best.

Tight_Cookie_9988

Rookie numbers. I DCA 10 BTC/hour

Living_Wheel_8657

Finding a solo BTC block in 2026 has been the luckiest. Spending most of the block rewards on additional hashpower chasing a second block has been the unluckiest 🤣.

Ok_Marsupial4449

Who ever uses this thread to make a decision on how to store their BTC is lost anyways

farm_sauce

So I’ll go from $2k BTC to $6k BTC, then $1k BTC, rinse and repeat the cycle. Count me in!

DatGiantIsopod

Definitely a no-brainer then imo. I would say though that answers to this question you're going to get in this thread are going to be subjective, because not everyone has the same goals in life. Personally I always had the itch to travel and did so in my mid-20s for 2 years around Asia and Australasia, and have done shorter stints since then (not including holidays). I'm now in my 40s and have zero regrets. OTOH I have friends who never left our home town and they're perfectly happy and content. So not everyone will give you the same advice. By the by I barely started a career until I was in my 30s. Sometimes I do look back and think I could have invested this and that if I'd had the money, but in all honesty for me experiences are more valuable than stacked up funds, and when you look at the majority of what older people report this becomes more and more the case with advancing years. Tbh given what you said you're in a position to enjoy the best of both worlds anyway - you've done some major saving toard your future already. and you don't need to sell anything to fund your travel goals. In terms of BTC opportunity cost for what you *could* save if you stayed working, well we may or may not be emerging form the crypto winter right now, but even if not right now I would expect this to occur in the next 6-12 months, and after that it's arguably not time to be adding heaps to your stack as the best ships have sailed there for this particular cycle (if you believe in cycle theory ofc). Your plan for next 6-8 months seems solid and then you'll potentially be on your travels during a bull-mania phase during which time it's not optimum to be stacking as much anyway. Go for it.

Feralz2

funny you say that you cant prove this to me, when you can literally prove to me how much BTC is on your wallet right now.

lestairwellwit

\*grin\* Right now? One BTC A year from now? One BTC Ten years from now? One BTC

crazybird-thereal

You have to answer yourself to this question, here we speak BTC... But, here somes clues : \- How amount you have in spare ? \- When you want to use this money ( determine if you take high or low risk). \- Could you rebuild it if BTC goes to 0 tomorow (again for the risk you’d like to take). \- How many money you need in one year to live ? \- How many years you count live ? (like if you plan die at 70, and spend all your money and you dont die, it’s will be hard time for you). \- How will goes BTC in the future ? I personally "trust" (nobody can predict the future) BTC will goes like that x10 every x2 Years, it’s means in the next 10 years it will reach 1 M$, and anothers 20 years it will reach 10M$, then another 40 years it will reach 100M$. (you have my prediction for the next 70 years). Then if you judge, you are safe enough to take 1 years vacancies, just goes, you have only 1 life.

Physical_Garbage3150

If u have a Clapp credit line for the liquidity and have some savings products that are earning on the BTC ur holding anyway, then there is no reason to sell unless u want to exit from the position completely. That's why I'm still holding tbh

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j-reacher77

How much BTC do you think is enough to retire in 2038 - 2040 ? If my monthly spending will be something around 800 - 1200 USD ?

lestairwellwit

I keep part on a cold wallet and part on an exchange I'm retired and living on a fixed income, really sucks. Every few months I sell a couple of thousand $ in BTC and transfer it into my bank. I get by. As the BTC goes up, I transfer less and less BTC "Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life." (Casablanca)

StepheninVancouver

I’m still holding BTC from 2013. I would trade it all for a chance to be my 20’s and traveling and free. Some things money can’t buy like time, youth and health. Take the trip, you won’t regret it

Beachbum74

I feel like this is a reverse jinx post for someone shorting BTC.

lobhater

Assuming it hits 150k obviously. But if you knew that you should borrow 100k, mortgage your house, pawn your kid, donate blood to but BTC. You can't know that, thats the problem

esliza314

Stacking wealth forever can turn into a trap. You already hit your BTC milestone. A one year trip is not going to ruin your long term retirement math

Paulistarlight

Nobody knows but I would buy at least some, mid term elections usually lead to a BTC correction but it might be different this time or the correction be already from an even higher price than it is today.

Top_Limit_

Are you holding on for the long term? Or just trying to trade? If long term and you think BTC can be $100s of thousands or even millions, will it matter if you bought at $85K? I was buying last year at ATHs. Never sold.

koriim

The idea of buying a bit and waiting is smart when greed is high. It's really tough to time the exact top or bottom. I actually ran a backtest on BTC over the last few cycles to see how the data looks during these greedy phases. The data really helps remove the emotion from the decision. If you want to check out the backtesting data, I built a tool for this tradingdatalab.com

koriim

You're right, the bull run is either about to start or we're already very close to it. That's exactly why I ran a backtest on BTC. If you want to take a look, tradingdatalab.com