BTC

mchotdograp

You can't live a decent life without cashing out your BTC?

Romanizer

State actors would cut in their own flesh, as those capable of it hold the most Bitcoin. I mean, it doesn't need to be proven. Shorter keys have already be cracked with that algorithm. It does work. The challenge is to build a QC with enough qubits that are error-free for at least a day. Very questionable if that ever happens. However, the roadmaps in best case are somewhere around ~$50 billion for one actor, a multiple of that for the whole industry. The largest wallet with a P2PK address holds about ~3,200 BTC, which today is worth $256 million. Short trade may be good, if you are able to make the market panic. For a 3,200 BTC sale to move the market, you would probably have to choose a slow Sunday. And still you would be able to also crack governmental and military secrets, so you would have to assure to other governments that all you are doing is crack an old Bitcoin wallet instead of doing real revenue. I don't see it at all (coming from an expert for monetization and business models).

theenecros

If they have 100 BTC, they wouldn't sell. Likely they could borrow against some of it if they needed cash

2muchmonehandass

How much BTC does glxy hold

Pretend-Olive-5497

Institutions will dump BTC to buy low at the bottom while weak hands and ETFs will panic sell at the new bottom Every 4 yrs same thing

EpicSource

Someone into BTC that early is even less likely to want to be paying taxes than a random Joe

Fluffy_Bad_8021

So BTC itself has not been exploited, but a derivative software Liquid BTC has been ?

redspikedog

Every week since the first little spike in BTC history we get this question XD XD XD so funny

Blackfish69

came to a BTC forum to rationalize selling… give me a break dude. You’re 28 with a windfall and just thinking how much should i spend now. smh

killamasta

Jesus looking at your history posts and it’s always asking how to make a ton of money fast. Get a job and learn how to invest. If anyone knew a glitch they sure as hell wouldn’t tell you. Just buy BTC or ETFs and forget about it for years. It’s not hard, you’re just poor and impatient.

drawkbox

> take a few hundred BTC from old, dormant presumably dead wallet addresses that aren't famous Exactly, plausible deniability and they would have the most value so it would be less total BTC needed to score big

mymongoose

I’ve been back and forth, I made a decent amount in 2017/18, kept some of it, then made an even bigger sum in 2021 but round tripped it all - now just DCAing and waiting for the next bull run - this time I need to learn to press the red button 😂 I started with BTC and would have been better off just holding it - instead I rotated into alts and yeah they go up faster but they also go down faster Now? BTC isn’t going to make anyone rich unless they’re rich already. It’ll outpace inflation no worries, but if you want “life changing money” it’s gonna have to come from altcoins I’m afraid - just remember to sell 🙈

Whiskeymiller

DCA blue chip cryptos, BTC heavy and just hodl

Worldx22

Stay away from trading and courses. The money glitch? Start 10 years ago buy BTC and hold on for dear life.

Hanley_Studson

I paid for a guided fishing trip, pest control, I buy soap and honey and you can also buy peony lane wine all directly with BTC. Adoption is growing. Keep the DCA on and be patient. Soon it'll be accepted everywhere.

billybobbybrownbaby

Getting out of the game during your first bear. keep learning and most importantly keep stacking BTC and maybe an alt or 2 of your choice. you second cycle you’ll print.

Abject-Issue-6639

Cry more about BTC memes for me. Big boy. 🤣

MooseLoot

Why sell? At that scale, you take loans against it for money you need and just buy some puts on the ETFs. It’s not like a person with 100K BTC actually needs the money right now. The darker thing they could do is sell like 100 or so and then buy puts on the ETFs and then sell as much as possible through as many exchanges as possible and rake in the put money.

Blissful-Sisyphus

I guess im just not a true believer in BTC lol. I would leave 20% in or make it between 8 and 12% of my entire portfolio which is a large position. If BTC hits 500K I just couldn't help but cash out a large chunk of it so I finally have "fuck you money".

Legitimate_Cry_5194

I'm a BTC maxi since quite a few years back. If i was forced to buy some alts they'd be ETH, SOL, HYPE, ZCASH, AAVE, BNB and LINK.

Much-Dealer3525

Cuts both ways though, you can also lose all your BTC to a nerd in his moms basement. Even if you stored it in a cold wallet.

MrMoo151515

It’s never too late to get into BTC. Of course everyone wishes they had an earlier entry point but there’s no use dwelling on it. I had a coworker back in 2012 that spoke about Bitcoin damn near every day and how the government was stealing all of our money. I thought the dude was a fucking wack job lol. Apparently I was the wack job

stheodore1974

People who think they missed out lack perspective of the investor mindset. Although it’s true you may not get a 1000% return anymore in any reasonable time horizon, the fundamentals have never been better as a place to put your money as one type of investment vehicle for you. If you have even 5-10 years to let your BTC sit, I’d call it a safe investment

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Crypto currencies are nothing more then TCP/IP based application network protocols. Most crypto currencies have limited/obsolete technical features, including BTC. A number of crypto currencies are used in other countries as forms of day-to-day payment. It's not really like that in the US right now due to political and public bullshit. So for US use of crypto, it's primarily speculative investment. Crypto trading is basically a contemporary form of Forex trading. That being said, I know Switzerland recently introduced ADA for direct retail integration. There are also crypto debit type payment cards allowing for payment via crypto.

ArtichokeOwn6685

Buying anything but BTC

moviemaker2

>obviously you cant just chuck it onto a few exchanges I mean, of course you can. That's literally the entire reason exchanges exist. for 100k of BTC I wouldn't even bother with multiple exchanges.

LNCrizzo

So if this is a negotiated bounty does that suddenly make the 600 BTC legit and the hacker can cash out without any legal repercussions?

Flopdo

Cracked quantum? Quantum is a future computing power that can be used to crack BTC encryption (not saying it will). You don't "crack quantum," though. :)

unknowngloomth

No shit Sherlocks. Every crypto has no value proposition BTC included.

Interesting_Loss_907

In that case, OP is referring to somebody with many billions of dollars worth of BTC. A multi billionaire like that would certainly have white glove support from major exchanges. But no one would be able to sell off that amount immediately without an effect on the market price. It would probably have to be spread across several days or even more than a week in order to offload an amount like that, and would probably lead to a dip in the market price for a bit.

Interesting_Loss_907

I’ve sold off a healthy six figures worth of BTC & some alt-coins during the past 5 years & never had any problems at all like you’re describing. using the advanced setting on the app reduces the fees quite a bit. But help us out with a better suggestion if you have one: which major, regulated and trustworthy exchanges provide the service of letting you sell off your coins and charge significantly less than 1% for that service?

Unlisted_User69420

This is a great answer, the right mindset. For my BTC is long term, generational for my heirs. 401k, stocks and Social Security (assuming it still exists) will cover my retirement

Steel-Tempered

100K BTC is $7.92 billion USD at the moment. You'd want to stick to a legit, known exchange, and check to see if they have payout limits. You probably can't cash it all out at once.

Cristian_Cerv9

I wouldn’t. I would just cash out .05 BTC every 30 days and live forever lol

Stryker406

I have some of my BTC at Fidelity. Zero issues. Having the ability to buy actual BTC in a rollover IRA is also a huge plus. Would recommend

JimmySki6166

Will only ever have 21 million coins produced. Only one million more to be produced in the next few years. Driven by its strict scarcity, decentralized security and is digital currency. Governments globally are purchasing for their federal reserves. You don’t see other assets priced like BTC?

ObviousEconomist

Eth is a product like Amazon. It has competitors, it is subject to deflationary pressures due to AI, and as more tradfi companies go on chain it may become less influential.  BTC has no real competitor in crypto. I actually think BTC is a more sure bet long term

cheif042888

May as well get out and secure the cash. You invested well. BTC is useless.

Top-Care-8946

Currently yes BTC is very affected by manipulation but I think that if traditional fiat system is collapsing then trust in crypto, including BTC will rise up. I would like to see BTC as "digital gold" but yet it's still highly volatile meanwhile real gold bar price is mostly stable then there's much to do until BTC reaches same level. Because gold never loses it's value (it might tend to fluctuate but never as much as BTC currently does). I don't know how other people feel but I would prefer to see BTC more harder and more stable. And there's other fact that makes BTC hard to speed up as payment option: Mass transactions like credit card/debit card transactions are done much more faster than BTC transactions are confirmed, so if this obstacle could be resolved then there might be much more easier to use BTC just like a payment for coffee and donut in bar. There's no worldwide system like Visa/Mastercard card systems for BTC. Yes, BTC is running on it's own network but it's still too slow. Because if today all started to pay in BTC then there would be huge bottleneck very hard to resolve.

TheresNoSecondBest

>A typo isn't limited to one character being wrong it could also be the wrong address, or worse yet a scammer put in their adresss. When somebody's "going to send millions" in BTC, they're making sure it's the correct address by **sending a test transaction.** They're also signing the broadcasted transaction offline in an **air-gapped environment**. Nobody's sending millions from their hot wallet on a windows laptop or a mobile phone. >With gold no one is going to send millions in gold by accident to Hyderabad when they were intending to send it to the federal reserve The same goes for sending millions in bitcoin. Dealing with large sums means more secure setup and execution. Except for gold, you have to use trusted third party, while for bitcoin, no third party is necessary.

theincognito66

Don't beat yourself up too much. I, too, had substantial profits in 2020-2021 - but, none of us really knew that Crypto Winter was going to hit so hard. I watched $5k balloon to $40k and I didn't take any profits... "it's not life-changing money", I said. I kept DCA'ing BTC throughout 2021-2024. Just restarted $15/day back in June of this year. Stay positive - once FOMO really hits hard before the end of the year, we'll be flying high.

JimmySki6166

Best investment one can make right now!! I’ve been purchasing BTC weekly since 2018

Icy_Giraffe_21

I've personally seen +3500 BTC move in one shot through my node. Literally crazy, at the time it was worth like 450 million

wentwj

No it wouldn't. We're on a post right now where exactly what you'd see is what happened, and no one is freaking out. If I could crack any wallet I'd do transactions exactly like this. take a few hundred BTC from old, dormant presumably dead wallet addresses that aren't famous. You'd want to touch as few wallet addresses as possible to reduce the chance of hitting a dormant but not lost one, so taking from related wallets and cash out a few hundred BTC at a time. Touching any famous wallet would be the absolute worst strategy.

MelangeBot

>Taking a sizable but small chunk from long dormant non-satoshi wallets is probably the best first step. No this would alarm people. You would start with some very famous addresses around the MtGox hack. There is this 1Fee address where the priv keys have been lost and there is like 17000 BTC on it. When that moves people won't say "OMG QUANTUM HACK" they would say "SOMEBODY FOUND THE KEY AGAIN!" or "THE KEY WAS NEVER LOST SOMEBODY MADE A COPY" then you would focus on wallets that got dormand between 2017 and 2020. Then you would do dormant wallets since 2015. Once you have cashed out as many million of dollars slowly and covertly and you got it all in hard currency that's when you rob the first addresses and let people know you are quantum brute forcing.

SuitApprehensive3240

I'd do it.. out of 5k maybe  2k ... The rest BTC.... 2k is like 2 weeks of work ....or 4 for 15$ hour... 

Traditional_Most105

Yes but until something new might appear... like when a lot of jobs were replaced by machines, like when internet replaced lots of things like news, like ai editing replacing basic photoshop skills... BTC and crypto could be replaced by a technology we dont know about or it might co exist with it... or what you just assumed... But the world is changing fast with ai and each cycle something different happens... so history might repeat itself or it might change...

P0werFighter

I would avoid Coinbase at all costs even for 0.0001 BTC.

poop-dolla

Do you also complain when your lobster is too buttery or your steak is too juicy? Sorry you bought BTC in your home currency, had it go up a ton in value, and then sold it back to your home currency and have to pay some portion of the gains in taxes. That’s so rough.

read_more_comments

It isn't. I bought 1 BTC in their crypto service when it was first added as a service. A few months ago I withdrew it to my hardware wallet. Zero issues.

dream_the_future

"Do you plan to accumulate forever and never sell?" .... There’s no point in accumulating BTC forever if you never use it. At some point, you have to benefit from it.

fadeddreams555

I think we're partly arguing semantics now. If by "gamble" you simply mean putting capital at risk when the future outcome isn't guaranteed, then sure, Bitcoin is a gamble. But under that definition, buying an individual stock, gold, foreign currency, commodities or a speculative growth company is also a gamble. ETH, SOL, LINK, XRP, etc. gaining against BTC doesn't contradict what I said. I'm not claiming they can't outperform Bitcoin. I'm saying Bitcoin remains a major driver of crypto liquidity and sentiment. An altcoin can gain against BTC during part of a cycle while still getting crushed when the entire crypto market sells off alongside Bitcoin. Like, how many alts have reached their ATH or maintained close to it while Bitcoin was over 50% down? I'm sure some obscure ones have, but far more alts have failed to reclaim prior highs or faded into irrelevance after a cycle. That's what makes them a gamble in comparison. And I didn't say Bitcoin was a collectible. I brought up collectibles because they demonstrate the broader point that an asset doesn't need cash flow or earnings in order to have market value.

mchotdograp

No, otherwise BTC would have dumped.

banglasteve

MSTR is just a leveraged BTC stock owned by a megalomaniac. Better off in the real thing

Previous_Blueberry_5

BTC

Traditional_Most105

Well some people want the higher upside you could get with these alts... and you can't say anything for sure... you never know what will happen... BTC might outperform them or BTC and some of these alts will conquer the space, or maybe crypto might even die if something newer and safer and more advanced comes in... so not knowing the future you can't say for sure about anything... you just speculate on BTC because it's the most safer...

kiefferbp

I mean…you’d probably want to do a lot of planning to move that much in BTC too

Beautiful_Level_3259

I get downvoted. This is classic. GLXY was the ACTUAL first public company in the world to put BTC on their balance sheet (yes before MSTR etc.) Bitcoiners should love this company as they are the true OG in this space.

FunWithSkooma

this post has old news. the whitehats already gave back the BTC, they kept 598 BTCs to themselves tho.

ehhwhatsthatbrother

OP isn’t talking about $100K in BTC. He’s talking about 100K BTC

Beautiful_Level_3259

Through GLXY (Galaxy Digital) the top crypto company in the world who already managed the largest BTC transaction of All Time. They are the most undervalued company in the world IMO. As they are a leader in both AI and Crypto. The AI side of their business is worth a fortune. Combine this with the crypto/tokenization business that they have too. Its crazy.

tenor_tymir

OTC desk probably through a dedicated family office. You don’t have 1000k BTC without any form of wealth management

warmBlizzard20

This is the part that matters: \*\*you don’t need to steal a key if you can break the accounting system that decides what’s backed by BTC.\*\* That’s a pretty brutal reminder that every layer built on top of Bitcoin introduces its own trust and failure assumptions. Bitcoin’s base layer can remain secure while a sidechain gets wrecked. “Whitehat” or not, $320M sitting in one address until it’s actually resolved is a serious situation.

Top-Care-8946

I agree with you. I think that if BTC will take over 10% of total global money then it will be more used as daily payment method everywhere. Currently BTC problem is that it's more taken as investment rather than everyday payment remedy.

ChickinFats

yeah but they wont be ready until 2030 at the earliest. BTC, later than that (if ever!). Hence, ass I aid, I bought LEMNI, so I'm already protected from it.

UnitDramatic7538

Who cares about 350 BTC.

langfordw

Yes. It’s a safe and solid choice. Gold standard security. And although they don’t “insure” it, your BTC is still covered by various Fidelity customer guarantees.

warmBlizzard20

Honestly, if you’re already uncomfortable with the Jade, I wouldn’t force yourself to use it just because “cold storage is safer.” The biggest security risk is usually not the hardware wallet itself it’s the user making a mistake with the seed phrase, signing something they shouldn’t, losing the backup, etc. If you’re talking about a meaningful amount of BTC, I’d take some time to learn the Jade properly before moving everything. Do a small test transaction first, verify the receiving address, and make sure you understand how the recovery process works. Once you’re comfortable, move the rest. And if you genuinely don’t want the responsibility of self-custody, a reputable regulated custodian can be a perfectly reasonable choice. There’s no prize for holding your BTC in a cold wallet if you’re constantly worried you’re going to screw something up.

KateR_H0l1day

I don’t need exit liquidity, I’m already green on my BTC, it’s just facts that most people don’t look at the future! They look at pumps, and want to jump in, plus so many are still convinced in a new low for the this cycle and are waiting for $50K’s, some are even waiting for $40K & $30K.

Freudarian

You know what this means. Last time he tweeted that he is crypto president BTC took a nose dive

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JarrettR

The difference is that BTC survives, MSTR doesn't. The larger MSTR gets the more impact it's eventual collapse will effect BTC MSTR is a long term liability for BTC

Lefties_TheWorst7331

Where do you live? Don't get me wrong, I'd make it happen from London to the US (opposite of OP post because I live in the US), but I would move 50K Bitcoin much easier given that it is legal coin and have almost no expenses at all.. it'd take plenty more to move ~60,000 pounds of gold.. Give me the BTC. It has more upside potential than gold and I wouldn't even have to physically transport the shit.. or store it which is another expense..

Dependent-Coyote2383

sure... 50k BTC is easier, but give me the 50k BTC en gold, I can ensure you I will move it to my home with ease, do not worry about that...

Lefties_TheWorst7331

You really think the President is going to say there are only two true cryptos when Melania launched a shitcoin as well and not include hers in the mix? Supporting the clarity act that goea beyond BTC? Not including SOL (Solana) as a true crypto which HIS coin was created on the Solana blockchain? Adderall addicted crypto kids? Like I said, if you even thought this was half real, I feel bad for you.

cowboy_shaman

I’m not sure. I feel like the landscape has changed with Bitcoin and Eth ETFs. That money is just not flowing into alts like it used to. I tried to time the altcoin rotation this cycle and got burned bad. Should have just stayed in BTC

Interesting_Loss_907

Yes, I get what you’re saying, but that’s true 99% of the time for everyone (it’s extremely difficult to time dips & peaks short term). This is why most of us recommend not trying to actively trade or time the market. Just accumulate & hold (though I do try to accumulate primarily in bear markets & I never continue buying at or near an ATH.) But in your case, if you’re ready to retire & shed the volatility, sure, maybe sell off most of your remaining BTC & buy non-volatile assets or just move to HY money market accounts for retirement. Enjoy & relax! the vokatility,

Olivia_878

*So you're saying when BTC takes over, we won't have to "labor" just to buy ribs for the grill? I hope that future comes fast, because today I only want to flip patties, not calculate inflation.*

Hot_Arm3894

Fair enough, holding BTC is definitely the safest play right now. The 50WMA is an amazing macro filter though, hard to argue with that data point

Charming-Designer944

So then keep holding, let it rest until you actually need it pr want to accept nt for it in your pension plan. Why are you stressing over it? Its a bonus. I am assuming you already secured next in kind access to your keys. Thats the only thing you should really worry about regarding your BTC stack if what you say above is true.

Charming-Designer944

Start selling and rebalance investments into less volatile assets to stock index fund or similar traditional investment instruments. Selling some per year is easier and less risky than selling all in one go. And having the traditional investment instruments are easier to deal with when it comes to bank relations etc. Maybe balance with some BTC tied traded papers at low fees if you feel you sold too much and want to keep the BTC exposure. But beware of the tax effects of selling your BTC. Most likely much better to keep your BTC exposure in BTC. My personal view is that BTC have a lot to give in the next 10 years and that its to early to exit completely even if the pension is nearing. I do not live in the UK, and my bank is not entirely anti-crypto. I have understood that dealing with crypto related fiat transfers in the UK is a major pain.

Garblin

Correct, that exact "we" You seem to be thinking that having a long list makes this more impressive? That exact same list did not believe that BTC had value 50 years ago (because it didn't exist), and could just as easily decide that it has no value again. It does not have inherent value. It's a very well designed system for a deflating currency, but that's all it is, magic internet money.

bitusher

**Cloud Mining Contracts** Most are ponzis, fractionally reserve mine, or charge too high fees which mean you will never ROI. Cloud mining typically falls into 3 categories a) legit mining company that actually mines what you invest, but is misleading to clients the harsh reality of hashing difficulty increasing and fees = You will not profit and not make a ROI b) Cloudmining company that fractionally reserve mines to keep up appearances and prove they actually are doing some mining but in reality do not mine the hashrate that they are contractually obligated to = You will not profit and not make a ROI c) Straight up ponzi scheme with no mining = You will not profit and not make a ROI Mining is very competitive and if miners need to both pay for marketing, profit sharing , affiliate revenue, and management of many small clients or partners this overhead will quickly drive them out of business. Keep in mind that BTC mining difficulty is typically increasing , which means the payouts are fine initially but than naturally get smaller and smaller as the months go on. So at first everything seems fine than you notice later you start to get less and less until there is no payout. So people that cloud mine either come away from the experience bitter and don't return , or they make a profit , but not from mining but from the appreciation of Bitcoin during their contract. I.E... They invest 500 USD , cloud mining company pays back 300 USd of BTC over the next year , but because Bitcoin appreciated in value that BTC is now worth 800 dollars and the client is happy because they don't have the know how to compare what that investment would be worth if they simply sat on it and waited for their bitcoin to appreciate in value. More info on mining : r/bitcoinmining Do not mine unless you own ASICs yourself

adamf1313Miner

That's why is better to mine. I continued to earn, even when BTC fell below $60K. I use Gomining. NO hardware....just returns. If you decide to try it. Use my referral link. https://gomining.com/?ref=4e042

BambooShuriken

I would track ALT/BTC performance - you can maybe create a basket of those alts as well as an indicator. I personally like price action metrics and some moving averages on LTF. Can add confluence.

jsh63

Real figures but I’m a bit older so it’s less of a deal to me because I’ve accumulated assets over time - business, pension, property etc. I suppose I have mixed feelings about BTC at the moment

molnardavid84

Lightning can be useful for payments, but routing and moving between Lightning and on-chain BTC can have fees. The wallet's custody model matters too. Coinjoin in Ginger or Wasabi is a collaborative transaction where you keep your keys; it isn't a deposit into a custodian's mixing balance. These tools expose different information to different observers, so I'd compare the actual setup before treating them as interchangeable.

molnardavid84

Rotki is worth checking if local storage is the priority. It's open source and runs on your own machine, with accounting and portfolio features. Paying a hosted service with BTC doesn't prevent it from learning the addresses, xpubs or trade history you upload. With local tools, check what external services they query too. Check which features cover your needs and jurisdiction before relying on the reports.

JustStopppingBye

You’re arguing that BTC is a rational speculation, not proving that it can't be considered a gamble. Historical halving cycles don't guarantee future returns….this is literally a gamble. \>Bitcoin doesn't determine the value of altcoins, but it still strongly influences the broader crypto market. If it crashes, everything goes with it for the most part, and vice-versa.  ETH, LINK, SOL, BNB and XRP have all gained against BTC itself. \>Lack of cash flow does not make something a gamble. Gold has no earnings or cash flow either. Neither do currencies, collectibles or many other non-productive assets people invest in. Gold has centuries of monetary, industrial and cultural demand. Bitcoin is also not a collectible lol Fiat** **currencies have value largely because they are established mediums of exchange and units of account, backed by governments.

fadeddreams555

I don't completely disagree with you. I'll even concede that I exaggerated some points. Bitcoin doesn't determine the value of altcoins, but it still strongly influences the broader crypto market. If it crashes, everything goes with it for the most part, and vice-versa.  You're arguing that Bitcoin is speculative, which I already said. You're not actually demonstrating that investing in it is the same thing as gambling. Lack of cash flow does not make something a gamble. Gold has no earnings or cash flow either. Neither do currencies, collectibles or many other non-productive assets people invest in. Their value is determined by scarcity, utility and what the market is willing to pay for them. That makes valuation more difficult than valuing a business, but it doesn't magically convert ownership of the asset into a casino wager. The fact is, as long as those halvings exist, the demand for BTC will remain strong, so it is definitely worth the investment, even if speculative by nature. A Fartcoin is probably not.

AdOk1101

The BTC bubble will burst as people FOMO into more technologically advanced crypto currency protocols.

Garblin

So much as I support BTC standard... BTC is not "hard money". It's debatable if it's Fiat given that it's not government based, but it still and always only has value because we say it does.

Le-Bon-Vivant

85% of positions on BTC total, sure I can believe that, but strong majority of individuals holding through ETF, Korean investors, etc are in it for the gains. 

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Post is by: AdOk1101 and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1w9xmpr/ada_btc_tech_value_vs_perceived_value/ For obvious reasons the crypto currency "industry" voice tends to be average people with average knowledge which equates to "price go up = good". The practical and real reality is that a cryptocurrency is only as good as it's network protocol technical robustness. At the end of the day, regardless of "coin" value, crypto currencies are nothing more then network protocols running over TCP/IP. Many crypto currency network protocols out there are obsolete from a pure tech comparison perspective yet many of those obsolete network protocols have many of the highest per "coin" values. BTC being the prime example of this paradoxical condition. BTC is quite obsolete in terms of tech and robustness, yet it commands one of the highest prices today. ADA on the other hand is one of the most advanced, robust, secure, and capable crypto currency network protocols that exists, and it's current "coin" value is extremely low in comparison to BTC. Folks will say it's because the supply is so large, the FUD you will respond to this post with or "cause the fundamentals bro", but we are talking about two network protocols that are clearly not actually being used by anybody to do anything of significance today (admit it, using DeFi and currency trading isn't "doing something") - compared to USD. Taking a step back from the social public commentary based on made up imaginary "spaces", I find the juxtaposition in price versus tech between these two example crypto currencies to smack of a value bubble that could potentially burst at any moment for BTC. Keep in mind value can move in a matter of minutes between crypto currencies. Price go up = good. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

unusual-fire

Bitcoin's endgame isn't settled at all. Except if you just refer to BTC.

otterform

Not an early early adopter, bit I started buying BTC @5000 and ended up with an average pp @7000 USD. I largely ignored it after the first crash thinking I had wasted an opportunity to make money (not talking about huge amounts, less than a BTC, after all it was already expensive for an unproved digital asset) Few years later I noticed I was again in the green, and started tracking with more attention.

palmdata

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poop-dolla

Your title is incorrect. It only applies to USD at this exact moment. The USD supply will probably keep expanding, which would make the necessary BTC to USD price to go up. And in case it wasn’t clear why the rest of it is wrong, you’re saying the BTC to USD price that would be needed for it to be worth the total supply of a third currency. The exchange rate of USD to the other currency is necessary to determine the USD price of BTC to accomplish what you’re saying, and I can guarantee you it won’t be what it is today. Plus also increased supply of the other currencies too by that time.

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Post is by: coinsocialbase and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1w9xc4h/bitcoin_sentiment_right_now_fomo_is_running_10/ Been looking at how Bitcoin chatter has broken down over the past six hours and the split is interesting: FOMO sits at 25% while FUD is at 15%. That's a meaningful gap toward optimism, but neither number is dominant, which lines up with what people are actually saying rather than a one-sided narrative. The bullish lean seems tied to two things showing up repeatedly in the conversation: institutional interest picking up and some regulatory developments that traders are reading as net positive. At the same time, there's clearly a group watching for a breakout above key resistance rather than assuming it's already happening, which tells you conviction isn't fully there yet. The FUD, while smaller, is still centered on regulation risk and macro headlines, so it's not like those concerns have disappeared, they're just currently outweighed by the more optimistic voices. What stands out to me is that this isn't a euphoric FOMO spike you'd see near a blow-off top, it's a moderate tilt with real caution baked in. That kind of mixed-but-leaning-bullish setup usually reflects a market waiting for confirmation rather than one already convinced of a direction. Does a 25/15 FOMO-to-FUD split feel like genuine building momentum to you, or just normal noise that happens whenever BTC approaches a resistance level? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*