BTC

jb_in_jpn

We're talking about BTC here though.

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Blackiris-Code

It's because I'm new to crypto. I bought BTC in a CEX when it was at 62 752,45 € in March. It was the first time I was buying a cryptocurrency, and the thing that made me wonder what crypto exactly is 😄 Then I started trading, and now Solana is my most used bank and exchange! I use other chains too but not as much. Tbf, I have to say that BTC didn't impact much my portfolio. I only bought 500 € of it.

WastelandOfConfusion

Yeah but BTC is also going down. It’s going down to $15/20k before any real reversal. I’m just letting you know now before it happens. There are going to be many more cliff drops.

TradeWithMo

Here is a natural, realistic reply you can drop on this post. It pushes back slightly on the "moonboy" price targets, which usually earns a lot of respect and upvotes in serious trading subreddits because it sounds grounded and analytical. Honestly, $200k this year feels like pure hopium. Even $150k is a massive stretch given the current liquidity environment. Price targets aside, if we do see another massive leg up, it’s not going to be driven by "utility" or network infrastructure. Retail isn't buying based on tech right now. It’s 100% going to be macro conditions and rate cuts. Institutions are basically treating BTC as a high-beta tech play. For us to break well into the six figures and actually hold it, we need the Fed to pivot hard and start cutting rates, flooding the market with cheap capital again. The spot ETFs were an amazing narrative catalyst to get us to these levels, but that initial wave of massive inflows has clearly cooled off. Corporate adoption is too slow to cause a sudden spike, and the halving is largely priced in. Until the macro regime flips back to easy money, we are probably just going to chop around and liquidate late longs. I’m staying patient and watching the Fed.

PMmeuroneweirdtrick

BTC will tank. Alts will die.

bbatardo

I think financial institutions will keep embracing it because it makes them money. As long as there is a market for it, people will want to profit off of it. People also underestimate how big FOMO is. BTC is in the low 60ks right now, but if it pumped to 70k tomorrow more people would buy tomorrow than they would today because they would expect it to keep going up.

fugit185fi

My investings are ok, because my strategy is ECA. The more cheaper BTC and ETH go the more I get them

DecisionBubbly5623

I think this is one of those stats that sounds bullish, but needs a lot more context. If true, it’s actually a much healthier signal for crypto than trading volume, people buying groceries or paying bills is real utility, not speculation. But I’d also want to know what “crypto payments” actually means here. Is this mostly stablecoins (USDC/USDT)? Because that’s a completely different story from people paying for coffee with BTC or ETH. Stablecoins make way more sense for daily spending since nobody wants to buy lunch and realize they spent 20% more a week later because of volatility. Personally, I still see Bitcoin more as savings and stablecoins more as payments, different tools for different jobs.

CyberCrud

This year?!?  Tell me you don't understand the cycle without telling me you don't understand the cycle.  You want $200k BTC?  Then you're gonna hodl until Q3 2029.  For this year you should be asking about the bottom.  Your question should be, "Do you think BTC will hit $40k this year, or at least $50k?"

devCheckingIn

When gold was having that crazy rally all the influencers were saying that it was going to go to $10k, $20k or beyond and had all these narratives about de-dollarization and the debasement trade and inflation or money printing or whatever. Now gold is in a bear market, almost 30% off from the high and it's little brother silver is down 50%. It's not really different than BTC in the sense that everyone was calling for $200k, $500k, etc. during the rally periods.

ProbablyANoobYo

No. I researched the coins I wanted to invest in thoroughly before investing. While not everyone was a winner, collectively they greatly outperformed a simple BTC/ETH strategy.

zenren1989

That's so cool you're 5! What's your favorite color? So each day, roughly $35 billion of BTC trades hands. Imagine a GIGANTIC jar of a half a million jelly beans that people trade from! Now, Michael Saylor adds 32 jelly beans to the jar of a half a million ! The jar doesn't look much bigger right? Now, the next week, Michael Saylor in his saylor pirate hat goes and takes 1,000 jelly beans from the jar of half a million. Doesn't look much smaller right?

Adventurous_Wrap_712

Three cycles in and my portfolio went from 20+ coins to basically BTC, ETH, and stablecoins. Every cycle I tell myself I'll be more disciplined and every cycle I end up chasing narratives. The trick was finally admitting that holding 15 altcoins isn't diversification it's just gambling with extra steps

GreenBullOne87

I did the same thing. Every time I would see them go sideways for awhile I would think “okay I think we must have bottomed” I would add more to my position and within a week we would dump hard again. I’ve only been buying BTC and ETH while they’re down as well. I had a weekly buy and once I was sitting in profits I stopped the weekly purchase so I wasn’t averaging up and I’m glad I did now that we’re back down. I dumped a lump some into each of them and turned my weekly back on till we start heading up again.

InvestaHepps

I’d probably look at liquidity before I look at price targets. BTC doesn’t need a magical narrative to go higher, it needs enough capital entering the system to absorb supply and keep the move going. Whether that’s ETFs, stablecoins, rate cuts, or some combination of all three is the part I’d watch more closely than the exact number.

InvestaHepps

I think the reason for the correction matters more than the correction itself. If equities are falling because liquidity is tightening and investors are de-risking, I’d expect BTC to struggle as well. If equities are correcting after getting overcrowded while broader liquidity conditions stay intact, then BTC could hold up a lot better than people expect. To me it’s less about whether stocks fall and more about what’s happening underneath the move.

InvestaHepps

I think most people learn this one the hard way. Diversification in crypto can look sensible at first, but if everything is just a higher beta version of the same risk trade, you’re not really diversified. You just own more ways to underperform BTC when liquidity dries up. I’ve become much more selective over time. Less interested in owning every narrative, more interested in whether the market actually has enough liquidity and structure to support risk outside BTC/ETH.

SevereCalendar7606

The BTC network can't handle its current non-use. This has been known since the early days, that's why they had so many forks. I agree Fiat is going no-where, and it's own future is already digital and will continue to grow that way. Also self banking and yeilds are too great to pass up, for the average person. That being said there is no reason BTC can't still function as wealth storage. I think the gold comparison is over blown, but something similar to paintings and luxury watches.

GreenBullOne87

I started buying mostly bitcoin and Eth around the beginning of the year. I got heavily into alts in November of 24’ with about $5,000 and that’s about $500 now. I chased so many small caps trying to get those huge returns. Got a few right off the bat and was like “this is easy!” So I dumped all that money into it and then we’ve done nothing but go down. I’ve started to slowly DCA into some of the larger caps alts and just been leaving the small caps alone. They’re just lottery tickets at this point. If they do 100x, that’s fucking awesome. If not, oh well. I mostly hold BTC and ETH now with almost equal amounts into them and then I have some SOL, SUI, ONDO and one or two others I have added too. I definitely learned a lot from getting wrecked like I did though (it may be a small position to some but to me, especially at the time, it was not) and I’ve learned patience that I didn’t even know existed.

CryptoGuy89

Now I am just holding BTC and small amount of ETH and SUI. Considering to increase position later for those alts. But I think I am done with small caps

BallSmashingForever

Dollar has lost 15%. BTC will go back up. Dollar will not.

Diligent-Leopard-140

Interesting, how did BTC shrink your portfolio? In the long run, it's been up right?

CryptoGuy89

Speaking of wrapping and bridging BTC, I believe it’s gradually becoming outdated. For like 2 months now I have been staking on Babylon, it actually keeps BTC native. It's still early, but I believe if every BTCFI can adopt this, there will be more adoption

Blackiris-Code

For me holding BTC shrank my portfolio. I made money through trades.

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Kraken_Kraterium

Not really. Liquidity is going to this IPO and its draining others assets not just BTC but also stocks.

CryptoGuy89

YES. I was ageing into random promising alts which in 80% haven't preformed as expected. If I went just for BTC and maybe a few other major alts I would be in much profit

Chirok9

Shorting BTC feels less risky than this site.

Ge_Yo

Why don't most people here believe in BTC anymore?

b1mm3rl1f3

Midterm year with lots of bearish pressure, BTC just isn't sexy right now. BoA already warned investors about major red flags across markets and suggested selling. I think we see a 10-20% correction in the stock market and then that capital rotates back into BTC. In Q4, we get a quick flash crash or a 4H candlewick taking us down to $40k, where a new bull run is reborn from the destruction. From there I think we head into a multi year bull market starting in 2027

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legendary_liar

You should try to trade some more Rolexes for BTC and let us know how that goes

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Post is by: Diligent-Leopard-140 and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1u30krp/btc_around_60k_while_stocks_are_at_ath_what/ I'm trying to understand the macro picture here. A lot of AI and tech stocks are near all-time highs, while Bitcoin is still sitting around the $60k range and hasn't participated to the same extent. My question is: if the stock market finally sees a meaningful correction, what do you think happens to BTC? **Scenario 1:** Bitcoin falls with everything else because it's still viewed as a risk asset, and investors de-risk across the board. **Scenario 2:** Capital rotates out of overheated AI/tech names and back into crypto, especially if investors start looking for the next source of returns. Historically we've seen Bitcoin trade both as a high-beta risk asset and as an alternative to traditional markets depending on the environment. I'm curious how people are thinking about this cycle. If the stock market drops 15-20%, do you expect BTC to: * Drop harder? * Hold up relatively well? * Benefit from a rotation of capital? What's the strongest argument for your view? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

interstellar_nips

800k by next month. And you’ll get 2 supermodel girlfriends per BTC that you own. Few understand. Read the white paper.

felixwraith

This guy must have woken up from Cryofreeze in 2020. BTC is closer to 30k than going back to 100k

Fit-Poet6736

sell off? I am buying like crazy, even took out a nexo loan to get more BTC

NEMM2020

It's safer to hold BTC rather than cash especially as BTC volatility decreases with time

Silent_Gur6819

I’ve been doing something similar pretty successfully since January 2025. BTC spot longterm (as collateral , besides stablecoins), low leverage (usually 2x) , margin only, very small opening positions, quick profit scalping on dips,, adding collateral to average up in ascending market, raising liquidation levels, harvesting on mean reversion, scaling down new entries during market drops, big capital buffer to absorb volatility Of course, I also have precisely defined risk management rules (maximum position size, exit scenarios for high exposure, maximum exposure), but outlining them here would be too extensive.

CompetitionDouble420

Been saying this for a week now, but this isn't the only headwind putting downward pressure on BTC and crypto. Lots of capital is rotating into AI names and the latest IPO hype (SpaceX, Anthropic, OpenAI). All this is, is a fire sale to those with real conviction 😉🤙🏼

GreenBullOne87

Buy at lows, take 50% or so out when I feel like we’ve topped and don’t fomo back in if we keep going up and buy more at lows. I never sell all my BTC. I just choose a certain percentage based on how much profit I have and reinvest it. I’ve also been taking a lot of profits from these booming AI stocks and putting it into BTC as long as it’s below like $70k, ideally around $60k but we don’t stay there long.

InThePipe9Till5

BTC is just a risk asset. Nothing more nothing less.

Le-Bon-Vivant

It’s a long game for people who’re looking to make profit off BTC. They are forced to hold their bag long enough for people who bought at lower ticker to take some profits or be extremely greedy and hold for even longer, all the while requiring more holders to buy in at greater rate than sellers. It’ll be years and years before BTC ever reaches its previous high because of how quickly number of adopters increased and how much of it were traded above 100K thus they’ll be massive motivation to sell between now and run up to 126K.

hugo_posh

Even if we'll see new ATH inside a year it won't matter because you won't sell then either. If BTC hits 130k you'll be convinced 200k will hit within 6 months and will post again on the downturn instead of taking profit.

Blockchainauditor

For the sake of argument: Let's say Bitcoin is on the rise. Each time you sell, you turn Bitcoin back into fiat. You are responsible in most countries to pay a portion of any recognized gain in taxes. When you buy again, at a higher rate, you are starting with a higher basis, so will have lost the appreciation during the time you are "out" of Bitcoin. That is not going broke. That is gaining the benefit of appreciation of Bitcoin. Let's say Bitcoin goes up and down. If you can sell when it is up and buy when it is down, you pay taxes in most countries on the gains, but benefit from the time of DEPRECIATION of Bitcoin. The challenge is TIMING THE MARKET. It's easy when BTC is at 50% of its ATH to say you are glad to have sold at values above 62k USD. It's much more difficult when there is a steady increase.

CODE_HEIST

This is why I would not treat BTC as a one-factor inflation hedge. In the short term it still trades like a liquidity/risk asset when real yields and leverage matter. The useful question is not "should it be up?" but "what condition would prove the hedge thesis is actually being bid?" Until that appears, narrative can diverge from price for a long time.

ultron290196

At one point you won't have to sell BTC for useless fiat

FranklinCook

From my understanding never sell your Bitcoin has some options: \- BTC is the worlds saving tool and you can directly pay stuff with it \- Take a loan against your BTC to get liquidity These two scenarios are legit takes for me that backs up the „never sell“ mentality. However, as you said not many people are actually having the balls to do that on a really long term (30-40 years). Holding through big drawdons and big gains isnt easy.

pommesUNDwurst

Thanks AI But that's exactly my opinion and the way I am going about it since 2021... And altough I sold most of my BTC position twice (stacked monthly 2017-2020, bought back in in 2022). I am now able to buy way more BTC than I could at that time. Funny how that works. BTC is great. But diversification is the only save bet there is. We will both get downvoted for this.

rkdghdfo

Back in 2017 BTC hit around $17k and then dropped. Wasn't until 2020 that it got to $17k again. It took 3 years. So if you are feeling sick from this then maybe you should sell everything and invest in something less volatile like mutual funds.

Spare_Resource787

Same. Tracking every BTC transaction feels like a headache. Have you found a card you actually like?

No-Inevitable-6141

Honestly I stopped thinking about spending BTC directly. Stablecoins make way more sense for day to day stuff.

viklondon99

ALL in BTC - is what I would do. If you have the patience to wait for 3 years, you could 4x

u_spawnTrapd

A full coin at 20 is an incredible position to be in, but I'd spend more time thinking about the portfolio concentration than the round number itself. Owning 1 BTC feels psychologically different from owning 0.8 BTC, even though the investment thesis is basically the same. If you're already comfortable with the volatility and genuinely plan to ignore it for years, that's one thing. I'd just be careful not to let the whole coiner milestone push you into taking more risk than you'd otherwise choose. The milestone is cool, but your allocation matters more than the number of coins.

Both_Secretary_8286

I think the mistake is expecting Bitcoin to behave like gold over short timeframes. Most holders still treat it as a risk asset, so when liquidity tightens everything gets sold. The more interesting question is whether Bitcoin needs to be a perfect inflation hedge at all. Plenty of assets fail that test over months or even years. If BTC is going to earn the "digital gold" label, it probably happens over decades, not during a single inflation spike or geopolitical event. That said, the ownership base argument is hard to ignore. As long as the marginal buyer is an ETF investor lumping it in with tech and other risk assets, it's going to trade more like Nasdaq than gold.

RunsOnJava98

Please tell me you just bought BTC

calamaritis12

It’s a Ponzi scheme. They use BTC or ETH as collateral to borrow more money and buy even more BTC or ETH, and then repeat the process. They take on debt, use their holdings as collateral, and borrow again. It can work as long as prices keep rising, but if prices fall significantly, at some point it will collapse and could take down the entire industry with it.

Silver-Pass53

Because then you have double the BTC. Also BTC isn't going to be 250k until at least 6 years.

One-Lengthiness-2175

Congratulations. I only recovered 50 $ worth of BTC after ca 10 years looking at 589 $ 😁

pommesUNDwurst

Selling now is really stupid. Okt/Nov 2025 was the time to sell. Or Mai if you missed the boat. But selling now is just asking to be left behind if BTC doesn't drop further.

Zestyclose-Tower-248

Honestly give me the BTC I’m in a great spot in my life that I’m excited to live out and if I go back to 2010 that just means I have to watch my mom die again and that doesn’t sound fun lol

gordonfr_

For a good story it should have been at least 3BTC.

DaddyDontTakeNoMess

Macro conditions control everything. BTC has never really been in a QT environment minus a couple of years ago, and it retraced, just like that expectation of rate hikes are causing now. If interest rates start rising, and inflation starts picking up I don’t see BTC doing much of anything for a while, regardless of the cycle

VitalikMuttering

You think BTC will reach 10k?

BrodysBootlegs2

According to ChatGPT, mining with a typical $500 (2010 dollars) rig from March 2010-May 2014, excluding the times I was deployed or in the field for an extended period....possibly 10K-35K BTC 😂😂 Realistically I probably would've sold almost all of it over the years for beer money, but even if I had a few left that would be fuck you money. 

Swimming_Brush9038

If you can't explain why you own something, that's your answer . Simple rule: if a position is under 5% of your portfolio and you have no strong thesis for it, it's just noise. Trim down to BTC and ETH as your core, maybe one or two L1s you actually believe in, and that's a real portfolio. 12 coins isn't diversification, it's just confusion with extra steps.

Smart_Bench_9914

Almost down to 25K 10/10 liquidated me I had some future position on XRP,ADA,AVAX,FART,ETH And BTC,SOL after that again got liquidated on the Feb 2026 Again I tried ,opened some more positions with less capital again got liquidated .It's too much winning for me Mr. President

Backrus

You don't have positive returns since November 19, 2024 when IBIT options launched. Not only that, it's been the worst-performing asset in the world on an absolute and risk-adjsuted basis since December 2024. No upside during the greatest bull market in human history, while keeping the biggest downside. Free BTC died long time ago.

Marco27021986

At this moment. Everyone has excuses to why is good investment or not. If we look for the last 5 years. There is being a lot of better options no doubt. Almost everything. Considering the prices to date. If it goes up and down? Who knows. Someone just bring the new hot thing and BTC can be in trouble. Arabian countries try move out of dollar and currency only in BTC can go skyrocket and whoever use dollar only suffer. There are 100 options. At this point no one knows.

Trick_Customer_5767

In my opinion for BTC to trade like hedge again the ownership base needs buyers who are not running BTC in a risk-asset sleeve marked to Nasdaq beta. Sovereign accumulators, self-custody stackers, or funds with an explicit mandate to hold regardless of equity correlation. The ETF wrapper democratized access but it also wired BTC's demand dynamics to institutional portfolio rebalancing in a way that does not unwind quickly. I track daily ETF flows with issuer-level breakdowns here if useful: [https://thriveinmarkets.com/](https://thriveinmarkets.com/)

AdmirableMango9605

The real wild part is how casually they just dropped that BTC position in filing like it's nothing special. Makes you wonder what other companies are quietly stacking and just haven't disclosed yet

Patient_Craft2195

BTC story is real too — they bought years ago at a fraction of the current price, holding more than tesla now. once public, BTC will be in every quarterly earnings call from here on.

gonefishing-2020

There's nothing that makes it a cycle other than the fact it was 4 years over a 14 year window, which is very short. You're likely reading a pattern where none actually exists. BTC is a speculative asset that originally had broad appeal for its potential future as a digital currency. That shine has worn thin. Now it has less intrinsic value than a Pokémon card. At this point, without any macro changes in banking regulation, the risk on, get rich quick speculators have washed out, having learned their lesson, and we will see a slow grind to $10 or $20k.

Grunblau

I think the banks will continue to push down silver price and eventually declare force majure. Paper price fractures or breaks down entirely. People see the need for verifiable ownership and the price speculators turn into value holders of BTC.

Various_Isopod4095

**BTC will dominate world currency one day**

cyberplanta

You don’t want people to DM you. Is safer in public. Depending on where you live you can use different exchanges (websites where you can exchange your currency for BTC). You can also check the sub r/Bitcoinbeginners

LibertyWithLiquidity

We will witness a time where BTC goes from $1M to $1.4M in a matter of months & everyone will scramble to secure a few sats. Save yourself the hassle & stack now.

EmployeeEmergency214

How much did the BTC cost at the moment you bought it?

indomitus1

Look up BTC sessions on youtube. A ton of tutorials

Worldline_AI

It's a risk asset, the BTC maxi made sure of that during the blocksize wars. They killed the medium of exchange part, and with it, any infra for it, without which, it has indeed no utility, and the SoV narrative becomes just that, a narrative.

AngrilyShaky

I'm still choosing to hodl, but I do not see an issue in buying now too. BTC will slowly recover imo.

Equivalent_Menu_1096

Honestamente, llevo años en esto y el dilema de valoración de BTC me sigue pareciendo fascinante. Al final, estás pagando por seguridad y descentralización, pero también por la narrativa de ser "el primero". El problema es que cuando miras métricas como el hash rate o las direcciones activas, no siempre se traduce en precio. Recuerdo haber comprado en 2019 pensando que el halving lo dispararía, y el mercado me recordó que la paciencia es clave.

Equivalent_Menu_1096

Honestly, the yield part is what’s interesting to me. If they’re wrapping BTC into something that generates yield, it’s probably through lending or staking derivatives, which could get messy with custodial risk. I’m curious how they’ll handle the tax implications for holders—like, are we talking dividends or just rebalancing? Feels like a way to attract old-school investors who want passive income without dealing with DeFi.

michael-saylor1

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Solid-Individual-913

[Bitcoin Returns History, BTC Performance History | CoinGlass](https://www.coinglass.com/today) I'm tired of winning.

michael-saylor1

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happybonobo1

The connection is apparently: inflation up, means FED will have to increase rates to lower inflation, increased rates means competition from interest paying products (bonds) for no interest assets like gold and BTC.

Ced-Invest

Honest answer, the same thing gold was useful for, which is nothing except staying scarce while everything else got printed. That was enough for 5,000 years. The difference isn't usefulness, it's who holds it. Gold's base is central banks and people who never sell. BTC's base right now is ETF allocators who trim it the second rates reprice. Hype flows somewhere else, sure, but that's a holder problem, not an asset problem.

Ced-Invest

Fair catch on gold, I wrote that line lazily. It's 25% off the January top and near 7-month lows, so yeah, nothing is hedging at these real yields. But that actually sharpens the point. Gold is down 25% from its top, BTC is down 50% from its top, on the same rate repricing. Same trade, double the beta. That gap is the whole story to me. Agree something has to break first. Question is whether BTC front-runs the break or just follows it with leverage.

spottyPotty

I noped out after a couple of paragraphs. Too long and repetitive. I'm no Bitcoin maxi however I have a couple of thoughts. You are comparing trading BTC with trading stocks, when you should be comparing it to trading Forex. It is a currency after all. To answer your question, I would say that most people trade because they believe that the value of their asset will increase. The small number of people who are into crypto out of principle (and who understand and agree with Satoshi's motivation for creating it in the first place), would have recognised that BTC was finished the moment development was hijacked, and would have moved on to other coins that still follow those original principles. The fact that BTC continues to dominate price wise is proof that the majority of people do not care for the principles and philosophy of cryptocurrencies and are mainly speculators.

la_quenelle_du_lyon

Connaissez-vous l'atavisme 😁 a tt moment le BTC peut revenir a 0.003cts ✓✓😎

heyheyshinyCRH

Too late for that, Wall St has BTC by the balls. We asked for adoption, this is what it looks like. It'll always be a high risk speculative asset that dumps when NASDAQ dumps and is confused when NASDAQ pumps.

SirArthurPT

ChatGPT missed the point, you are **not** paying 80.000 for a Bitcoin, Bitcoin isn't a thing or a service and you can only pay for goods and services. Likewise you are not paying for Euros, Yuan or whatever else currency. You're **converting** from USD at that exchange rate. So, whatever BTC/USD pair is it represents an **exchange rate**, not a price.

piggleii

I don't even know what I should say. 'Cause I'm an idiot, a loser, BTC abuser.

BioFrosted

Well technically, it's more transparent that anonymous. It's only anonymous in so far ownership can't be deduced only from a wallet, right? But if you send coins from an exchange, or get your coins back on ramp to sell them, that becomes tied to your identity. You would need a trusted middleman to sell your BTC for you. In which case, they'd transfer money into your account, essentially revealing your identity again. Transparency, now, that's undisputed.

True_Bodybuilder8095

**BTC was supposed to shine in moments like this, but right now it's still moving like a tech stock, not a hedge.**

kanzie_blitz

Everyone has their own priorities. Saylor BTC, this guy ETH and I bought 5 LINK yesterday!