BTC

Candid-Love-9762

Pretty well done with crypto . It’s over speculative. I’m down 20% on my BTC and if I would’ve just parked it in something like xeqt I’d be up 16% for the year. I’m not chasing hopes of 20% a year just to get negative . Btc will never see 800% cycles it’s done . Too much institutional adoption and market manipulation! Literally just being used a a pump and dump for global elites . Trumps family get billions off shorting every crash . It’s an joke

Impressive_Pilot8415

BOTH LINK & AVAX have awful tokenomics (ie large supplies with millions / billions still to be released) = constant inflation, & diminished returns, much better just sticking with BTC.

cubeeless

Bitcoin is here to stay. You owe it to yourself, therefore, to learn the basic facts about it - the sooner you do, the better for you, in the long term. Best intro videos/book: The Trust Machine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKwqNgG-Sv4 Why I'm buying BTC: https://youtu.be/1AVLV3fq4Ic Bitcoin Airplane: https://youtu.be/tYldJpSPeqg Book: The Bitcoin Standard, by S. Ammous. Mike Maloney: Hidden Secrets of Money, episode 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk7P119QcRc&ab_channel=JamesKing The best investement that you can make in your lifetime is your own education. Education on: • ⁠...the history of money • ⁠...finance • ⁠...how the global economy works • ⁠...how the central bankers and the stock market work, how they can scam you.

ParticularSun6471

How long have you been holding BTC?

thaonewhoknocks

I mean BTC is sitting near 90k.. what more do you want? haha. just hold good assets, man.

ftball21

Just a reminder to hold strong and don’t be fudded out. I was scrolling through my emails and found my first 2 buys on coinbase… 🥲🥲🥲 “On January 20, 2017 you purchased 0.1000 BTC for $91.04 USD” “On January 20, 2017 you purchased 7.0000 ETH for $75.89 USD”

anon-187101

Buying 1 BTC if you have the fiat to purchase it is easy. HODLing 1 BTC for many years is not easy.

ThreeTonChonker

ADA was shilled so hard here at one point. Next up is definitely XRP. One day people will understand it’s BTC or bust.

Comprehensive_Tip310

Never got mine back. 50 BTC, 200 LTC , 5000 peercoin. And I think dark coin?

Joey-Steel1917

The hardest part is banking fiat due to its liquidity for use in an emergency, knowing it could have been put towards another BTC dip.

popoppopcorn

If having 89k(current 1 btc price) you can put into anything is an achievement, then having 1 btc is an achievement. I'd bet on BTC being a no-brainer move in 10 years after the fact. Just like it is now. The train isn't stopping and every time there's stalling and dumps in the road the FUD spreaders come out like their life depends on it. Banks are literally giving the OK to normies that BTC is an investment option now. Right now you don't know anyone who even looks at BTC because all they read is FUD to confirm their already held beliefs that BTC is a ponzi scheme rug pull. Soon they will be buying, pumping your bags because the banks said so. Even in a scenario where BTC is a ponzi scheme rug pull, there's still many many years of riding that scheme to the upside. You'd be silly to not take advantage.

PeopleNose

Uhhh... BTC solves the double spend problem while remaining publicly available to edit... ? Are you serious? Broham, you've got a long ways to go for understanding BTC's value if that's the extent of your knowledge

Born-Bookkeeper-1681

BTC going up over time because of the fixed supply assumes demand will increase over time, but demand can very easily go to 0 over time since it doesn't have any widespread use other than hoping it increases in value

mrjune2040

I'm literally NOT the guy to quote past trends. Look at my last comment on the Bitcoin sub, all proclamations of patterns and cycles in crypto are foolhardy because a long-term dataset doesn't exist. The four-cycle is bullshit, and perpetuated by newbies that don't know any better. As to this comment- it's just a factual statement to say that we've been in a bull market since December 2022 (when month on month growth started again), and that BTC reached it's ATH in 2025. If someone didn't make money during this period that's on them, because it's certainly not the market.

tornavec

BTC will be stuck in a range until the FOMC

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Emergency-Sky9206

Are you new to crypto cycles? There are ebbs and flows, there are bear and bull markets. BTC is the best performing asset of the last 15 years. Also doesn't change the fact that the U.S dollar is still losing value and PP over time, so moot point.

tornavec

Personally, I'm not chasing moonshots. Yet my portfolio is outperforming Bitcoin. My strategy is to focus on large-cap altcoins that offer high staking yields. As it happens, they not only outperform BTC but also show resilience during market dips

TekRabbit

“Don’t give anyone reason to want to rob you” you literally said it yourself right there. Advertising you have BTC is probably giving stupid people a reason to rob you

tmcnix

Attaining 200-300K USD in not leverage assets is a significant achievement which places you in the top 5% nationally and the top 1% globally. Having 2-3 bitcoin means you’ve achieved this significant milestone and are smart enough to know that keeping your savings in Fiat is REGARDED. You and your dependents will be financially free until your grandchild sell your BTC for drugs 60 years from now.

Far-Juice-6197

Yeah, 2025’s been tough with Q4 dips: BTC hit $126K highs but pulled back, ETH had only 3 positive months, and DEX volumes dropped 26%. Recent crashes like the $1B liquidation on Dec 1 didn’t help. But overall, it was strong: market cap topped $4T (up from start of year), BTC/ETH smashed ATHs, stablecoins hit $287B, ETFs boomed, and VC funding rebounded to $8B in Q3. Hang tight, projections see BTC breaking ATH in 2026..

Steezy_Steve1990

I’ve been in crypto since 2017. My intro was buying the top in 2017 and ridding my bags down 90% until 2021 when those bags 10x my initial investment and I sold them. This cycle. Similar to you. Had a 6x on my SUI bag in January 2025 and round tripped it to today. Still in profit on my SUI but everything else is 60%-90% down. All I can say is crypto is a highly volatile asset and people seem to forget to have the possibility of 10x returns you have to accept that that same volatility can dump your bags 90%. Another point, people in this market have the memory of a goldfish and the emotional maturity of a toddler. Every time we get a dump it’s over and every time it pumps lock in for 100x gains. They aren’t right. The answer is normally somewhere in the middle. As for lessons I’ve learnt the hard way. Don’t chase pumps and FOMO in every pump and sell every dump. You will slowly loose all your money. Hold a few high conviction cryptos that you actually believe in and for god sakes do your own research. Also, being in this market now for 8 years, I can say that it is changing. Institutions are here now and we’re playing their game. Low market cap coins might be dead. Better off seeing where big money is going and invest in large caps. Best thing is buy BTC/ETH/SOL in the depths of the bear market. Guaranteed great profits within a few years.

jmorais00

No. BTC always melts in dec-feb, every year

ItsEtidorpha

I agree with much of what you said and the long term outlook. Financial institutions offering BTC is good, however having the mass of retail actually adopt is a different story and institutions know that, and therefore not urgent. I am a long term believer in BTC but still believe anyone buying now is early along with institutions. A lot of wealth is held by boomers, and BTC is not for them… rightfully so. This should change over time and until then I’m just going to continue stacking. I’ll see you on the moon!

dylan6091

Step 1. Buy from an exchange like coinbase. Step 2. Take a picture when the price goes up. Step 3. Sell when the price crashes and lose a lot of money. Step 4. Try again with new conviction. Step 5. Realize that you don't actually own BTC as long as it's on an exchange. Step 6. Buy a hardware wallet and transfer to self-custody. Step 7. Support Bitcoin companies by ditching your initial exchange (it's gonna be Coinbase) and starting to buy through a Bitcoin only exchange. Step 8. Realize you are still using someone else's node to validate your transactions. Step 10. Buy or build a node and become fully sovereign.

WildlySkeptical

I wouldn’t normally say this, but wow, this really is a dumb ass question. You’re asking if it is good that a person has managed to be fortunate enough to both have enough to have lived on and to ALSO amass the equivalent of roughly $300,000 USD? Of course it is! Only roughly 15% of all humans in the world have more than (equivalent) $100kUSD to their name. That number drops drastically with every dollar. Less than 2% of humans have more than $1mil USD (equiv) to their name. So yeh, if you put together 3 BTC, you’re essentially wealthy in world population terms.

Strict_Alps_1304

so you have 2-3 BTC and are asking us if you will be millionaire .... maybe, 1 or 2 btc will be enough to retire in a 3rd world country within 5-7 years

Wdym_Brother

I’ve been feeling eerily calm ever since the October 10th flash crash, kinda like acceptance ig? I wonder if anyone else has been feeling the same way. I rode the pump last Nov-Dec 2024 and just watched my portfolio shoot up, not selling like an idiot despite the 125% gains in a month, and then was stuck bag holding until I made a bit of profit in September this year after holding for 11 months. Unfortunately, I reinvested those profits in October right before the flash crash 😂. Maybe bag holding for almost a year made me numb to the flash crash, but I don’t wanna use the word numb bc that implies I felt sad or upset abt the crash; I just saw it as part of the risks involved in crypto and as one of those things that can always happen unexpectedly. Also, for those who’ve been involved in crypto prior to 2022, I’m wondering if anyone has any wisdom they’d be willing to share about their experience with past bear markets, especially in relation to high cap alt coins. I’ve been very fortunate in the sense that I first got into BTC and ETH at the very lows of the bear market in Dec 2022, but made the mistake of rotating those profits into AVAX this cycle. None of my money invested is money I can’t afford to lose, so losing it all isn’t a concern. Just wondering if people have insight when it comes to handling the bear market if this is truly the start of it, since it would be my first bear market

SpaghettiTape

Speaking seriously... do you know how much work upkeep on a mansion is? I have a house with 3 bedrooms and a basement and first off, it's way more house than I need - there are rooms in my house I haven't spent more than a few hours in this year. Imagine having 5 or 10x that in some huge fucking house. Dust is real. Dirt is real. Heating/cooling costs are real. Upkeep is real. Big houses are a lot of work - and you might not want to have to pay for someone else snooping around in your space all the time to clean up your shit. The last thing I would buy (if I had early BTC money) is a mansion.

tootintx

Has it been? I just buy on my schedule and sometimes go a week or more without seeing the current BTC price.

scott_in_ga

100% agree. I'm hoping to get suuuper cheap BTC- whether I have to wait 1, 2, 3 years. Long term I'm bullish AF, but we're coming off of the Biden Bucks inflation sugar high and things are coming down (deflation)

theincognito66

I'm in the camp that I'm not going to beat the market. I'm better off stacking BTC for long term growth and investing in index fund tracking ETFs and a few stocks that I truly believe in. I understand there's tools and you can develop a strategy. But I personally don't want to risk my capital like that. Sure, high reward - but high risk and a lot of effort with a 99% failure rate. It's hard to ignore that fact.

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brandon_cabral

Did you buy the ATH? I didn’t. I bought a lot of BTC at 78k in April and 82k a week or 2 ago. DCA’d moderately through the year. So yes it was great for accumulating if you know what you’re doing. And if the market mostly moved sideways then, yes, that’s a good time to accumulate. Not sure what problem you have with that lol we aren’t seeing 2022-2023 lows ever again so not sure why you’re bringing that up. Might as well say ‘2012 was a good time to accumulate!!!’

houston187

According to this chart, at no time has it dropped more than 20% of the previous high. That puts BTC bottoming around $55k, not $30K.

CorgiDad

I dunno, Monero's been killing it! Not great for BTC tho yeah.

Easik

It's the yen carry trade pulling liquidity out of risk on assets. There isn't an individual selling, it's the market makers selling to patch holes in their balance sheet before end of year. It hasn't even dumped yet, get ready for Dec 19th and March. BTC is most certainly going to be under 77k by the summer.

NoMathematician3105

This and its high volatility is the reason I can outperform simply holding BTC compounding my position over and over and over…

ear-of-Vangogh

What a waste of time talking to people about BTC. Shut up and stack.

Topspeed_PT

People didnt know about 4y cycle back then. I didnt sell much in late 2017 when everyone were talking about BTC and it peaked in December. 2 years in red! It was a lesson! I sold at around $50K when it started crashing late in the year (2021) and bought 1y later. This time it seems to be the same once again. Everyone was expecting a top later in the year but it came 1-2months earlier. Sold at $104K when the daily/weekly candles were bad. If the 4y keeps repeating again the bottom might be in Q4 2026.

tontot

My crypto allocation is 99% BTC. So not worry for the slightest 1K - 20K - 3K - 69K - 16K -122K - 80K (so far)

inkandpaperguy

We did not have a bull market. Many say the business cycle/ ISM has been extended and 2026 will see big gains. Big liquidity is en route, so, who knows where things go. IDK if that 2026 theory will pan out or not but I will continue to DCA into BTC and high quality Alt-Coins until I see the parabolic blow-off top.

ASAP_1001

Yeah — at that cost basis nobody’s NOT gonna hold onto *at least one* BTC (probably more, though) — especially considering all the insane ups & downs he’s seen + been through along the way, and still held on for that whole, bumpy ride since super early on. My guess is someone that’s weathered the BTC life-cycle hell-storm, with that large of an investment, would only completely sell-off their stake in the case of a major emergency/life-altering situation that required all the money he had to pay to resolve. But I’m not sure what would even qualify in that bracket —given he could just sell a *portion* of his OG c.2010 investment and that alone would cover any type of medical debt, housing expenses, kids colleges, etc. … Also — to everyone probably assuming this guy had balls of titanium for holding his BTC that long — my suspicion is that, in more likely actuality *(& what I’d bet on if I were a betting-man, but I’m not, hence why I personally still own zero coins of any kind),* he was a steadfast practitioner of never checking the price and pretending it didn’t exist while he went about his life, maybe only occasionally seeing it on the news, and he was strict with himself about that one key rule he set. You’d be amazed what people can withstand if they’re not clued into it and their attention lives elsewhere…

azdcaz

Yeah when you can do significantly better holding SPY (or fucking t-bills for that matter) then BTC loses its luster.

certaintyclammy

This is exactly why I never tell anyone about my massive 0.03 BTC fortune lmao But seriously though, keeping that shit private should be crypto 101

B1ggusDckus

Daytrading is an easy way to split the idiots from their money. Why should you do that if you could also buy an asset like BTC which had like a 100% compound interest per year on average over the last 8 years? Or how a wise man said: Time in the market instead of timing the market.

TrollsteinOx

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elidevious

I agree and don’t agree. New BTC ath was fantastic. Definitely made a lot of money. However, if this cycle’s top was an indicator of future returns, the everyone is in for a tough reality call in another 4 years. The exponential math ain’t mathing.

elidevious

Of course, BTC double in 2020.

PeopleNose

Ah, so you *are* missing my point too Because when p-hats (and BTC) go down, it reflects more accurately how the entire market has also gone down So then the important part that really matters is the ratio between what BTC costs and what BTC buys. It's this that people rally around The same cannot be said for S&P or other stocks, gold, oil, labor, real estate, or any other asset

dcasarinc

Every single person that thinks this "cycle" works is leaving free money on the table. Go on, short BTC, you still have time!

Top_Limit_

Either one doesn’t understand or care about returns or they do not understand money and the risk of fiat money. I get people on BTC by explaining what happens in Argentina where citizens trade their pesos for dollars to keep their purchasing power stable. If Argentina is turning to USD, what do we turn to? BTC

PeopleNose

Did you not compare S&P to BTC woth your first comment... ? Maybe I misunderstood your intention then

HoldCtrlW

Spx6900 has more utility than BTC and ETH

Itur_ad_Astra

On October 10, 2025, Binance killed the altcoin market. The only thing that survived is BTC (because it's BTC), ETH (Wall Street's chosen), BNB (Binance wills this) and stablecoins. Are any of you guys in here still think that your 97.2% shitcoin will ever recover, or you're just waiting for the pump that will never come so you can leave?

Blade_Runner_69

I'm really terrified 😨 Of not buying enough BTC fast enough!

Medium_Change4574

BTC and stocks only from here on, not gonna get scammed again by alts

PeopleNose

BTC == p-hats S&P == merchant clans who trade in p-hats Very different mechanics between both, though the end result is similar: p-hats prices and amount of trading in p-hats definitely correlate with each other, so they're easy to confuse as the same thing

TechnologyMinute2714

1-He bought the majority with stock issuance not loans/debt, his total debt is like 8-10 billion (while his BTC bag is currently 60B) and the loans are not even short term, majority is at 2032. 2-He wouldn't have to "pay them off", he's not going around leverage longing with margin like you would on Binance, He uses unsecured convertible senior notes, he has no liquidation price and he hasn't pledged any BTC against these as collateral. 3-Worst case he can just dilute shareholders.

mrjune2040

Lol- these posts are always from relative newbies. There have been far far far worse years for crypto. BTC hit an all time high this year, total crypto MC hit an ALT at over 4 trillion, if you didn't make money that's on you for either investing in shitcoins or getting greedy and not selling when you were up.

TechnologyMinute2714

Not every bear market needs a 80% drawdown, BTC is a lot more mature and institutional, retail is basically dead too. In a relative analysis where you take opportunity cost into account BTC has been crabbing and then recently dumped WHILE everything else was giga pumping like stocks and gold etc, so it corrected against them relatively.

ChaoticDad21

you're not getting the point at all because you're talking like we disagree You can compare them, understanding that the S&P will be more representative of potential performance than the limited years that we've had BTC. If assets like the S&P and gold can have periods where holding for X years can generate a loss, it's absolutely true for BTC, as well.

TechnologyMinute2714

Yeah 2025 was the bear market, 2026 bull LFG. I don't agree with your "bad year in general" comment though as literally everything else is up in the markets, only BTC/crypto has been weak.

justcurious3287

I don't need an advisor to tell me to keep buying and holding BTC no matter what. I tell myself that all the time!

partymsl

Exactly, there is too much noise out there with millions of Cryptos and we need some select few who will ACTUALLY drive adoption with BTC.

Dangerous_Tiger_150

sure, but the s&p has something like 150 years of history, while BTC only 15 at most. Statistically speaking, you can't compare the two things.

Qowudyeibflsla

BTC sneeze alts bleed. Lower lows and lower highs

Lord_Alamar

>Even if it was 2018 that you entered BTC, you would have still been alive and conscious enough to notice the decoupled performance between Crypto and Stocks in that time Yeah, we've already been through this little gauntlet in this very exchange. I'd say "keep up" but you're lagging on purpose. >Sorry I couldn't double-check the date I thought I remembered, as you conveniently hide all post history lol. It was yesterday... It's as simple as checking your own post history.

Electrical-Cat-6660

This one more than the prior dips was merely composed of panic selling (more institutional)…just look at the amount of ETF outflows, BTC loan products and options trading products out there…billions wiped out in an instant.

DryMyBottom

I know, because I live there too🙃 but I can tell you things are changing, even if slowly... younger financial advisors who work with banks, start suggesting a little allocation on BTC, because they know they will lose customers otherwise. At least that's my experience with Fineco and Mediolanum. The sad thing is that often you can't even buy BTC on their platform where they only sell their dumb internal funds 😅

yinThebean

Back? But we never left! 80k BTC is like going from the couch to the mail box. 😯

nugymmer

Alts are a way for developers, memecoin developers, whoever, to get access to cheap BTC when people buy their tokens they can use this liquidity to secure more BTC. I'm convinced that it is literally the only reason why alts exist. They are nothing special, do nothing special, apart from a few outliers like LINK, HBAR, and ETH, the rest don't seem to offer anything. LINK and HBAR have this peculiar problem whereby developers can dump/unlock tokens and release them, screwing up the price action and leaving investors scratching their heads. Just stick to BTC. No more headaches then. More profitable, less stress, simple to store, you don't have to worry about silly "transitions" or staking or other crap. Just make it easy on yourself and win.

VariatCA

Even if it was 2018 that you entered BTC, you would have still been alive and conscious enough to notice the decoupled performance between Crypto and Stocks in that time. One would think it would ring *particularly* true, as you would have watched your Bitcoin purchase slowly sink for over an entire year while stocks continued ripping. Sorry I couldn't double-check the date I thought I remembered, as you conveniently hide all post history lol.

nugymmer

Yep, becoming a BTC maxi is starting to get a lot easier. It simplifies, gets rid of the stress, and you don't have to worry about the development team dumping their tokens on the market to "secure funding rounds" LOL. Honestly, should have stuck to BTC right from the very start. Would be so much better off.

omg_its_david

You cannot possibly expect billions of people who live on 5$ a day to care about BTC? Developed world knows about it.

DependentSherbet3461

BTC FEES ARE OUTRAGEOUS AND SLOW don’t fib yourself lo

MrKillerKiller_

Hype and BTC profits are all they need. Metrics, fundamentals, and all the research bullshit DO NOT APPLY. Bro…It’s memes n Fartcoin. Don’t kid yourself trying to make it make sense. Trade the hype and take profit with reckless abandon. Too many people waste time trying to calculate circulating supply, TVL and all that useless time wasting. The last cycle kicked off with Beeple and Elon making interesting fresh mainstream crypto headlines sparking the noob herd. Nothing of the sort has happened…yet.

krose1980

People be carefull with them, I just lost £500, as I transfered cbBTC to apparently BTC address they do not support..hmm such exchange...they asked me for £20 upfornt fee for recovery...let's wait...

Happy_Discussion_536

>Ok, so what have you done to earn bitcoin? Nothing more than provide liquidity to the people who needed to sell, just like many do with gold. But the world is a better place that liquidity exists to provide off-ramps to fiat. One day who knows, Americans may need that off-ramp and someone else will provide it to me. Every civilization that prints and spirals into debt the way the US has, *always has its fiat get completely destroyed*. The Romans kept diluting Denari with more silver. This failed practice of printing in one form or another has existed forever. Fiats will die and new ones will replace them over and over. The US is spiraling into uncontrollable debt levels with zero public desire to make any hard decisions at all. Everyone refuses to pay a penny more in tax. No one wants cuts. >The amount of electricity consumed makes it a terrible invention in the end. You're right. This is the one major issue with BTC. But I believe this it is not insurmountable and at some point once it's survived like 25-30 years, people finally understand what it is we may fork to PoW if necessary.

Apprehensive-Row5151

The BTC will become part of the estate and ultimately liquidated to pay debts. You could of course commit perjury by leaving it off your asset schedules. So the answer is: most of us don’t want to commit perjury. And of course ruin your credit for a while.

DryMyBottom

I don't live in the US and know nothing about Bank do America, but the financial advisor of my bank did suggest me a lil exposure on BTC, and it was 2 years ago already

redditdegenz

When you have that much BTC you don’t even have to convince your hairline to stick around.

MatterFickle3184

BTC was supposed to be for the people. Too much corruption and manipulation. BTC will go up and USD will go down, but at the end BTC doesn't help the normals.

Patient-Process-2565

Let’s be honest, BTC is not that great an invention.

Happy_Discussion_536

>Which does because people are buying it. Is that the use case then? There are many use cases. But yes gold is purchased because of the expectation that it will hold its value when fiat is debased. Demand skyrockets in inflationary periods. When inflation is low, its relative performance is terrible sometimes even consistently below inflation. If people stopped *expecting* gold to be valued it would completely collapse if it was just industrial demand. >Bitcoin mining is becoming increasingly expensive as competition for electricity and hardware with AI companies continue. I view this is as irrelevant. Not only because hash rate has been continually rising even with the AI boom (we heard stories of miner pivots early back as 2022). But because like you said, difficulty will adjust until the most efficient miners remain, like always. And if it's too hard it will go down to attract miners that have shifted off. >Your use cases are fairly tiny. And I LIKE that it could be a good use case. Look at the billions that are transferred from host countries back to families in native countries using Western Union. Yes, people want to move money globally. And it's wonderful that this can done without exchanges if needed. It goes the reverse from what you described too, not just going to home countries. When people fled Cambodia to San Francisco with all the gold coins they could collect and hide to start a new life, now there is a much safer and better option. Saying it is a ponzi scheme is circular reasoning at this point. You can't assert that it is ponzi and therefore we can't find buyers. It may END up as a Ponzi and you are right if it collapses. But people are definitely still using it and IF they keep using it. Then it won't be. If you look at confirmed daily transactions of BTC, you'll notice that even in brutal winters... people used it! When all the speculators have given up it was just people who believed in it, didn't want fiat, criminals, a hodge podge but steady flow of users nonetheless. Whether you think this group is "small" is irrelevant. They exist and that's what matters. But these people, like me will continue to exist (in fact grow as the world becomes more uncertain, more printing occurs). I am so so happy that BTC is a thing. I genuinely believe it is a minor miracle and triumph of the human mind, to create virtual buried treasure that is robust. Something that will be seen in history as an anti-authoritarian invention. If enough people see the folly of fiat, they will recognize not something to replace fiat but a pressure release valve that exists alongside it to fill a gap that exists. >So when debasement comes, who are you going to find to buy any of this My best is that not only will more debasement come, it will keep coming. If we have sudden deflation then BTC bros are in for a very rough time. Otherwise I believe we will do tremendously well.

sushisection

depends on how you sell it. if you use a centralized exchange and sold BTC for USD directly deposited into your bank account, then yes they would know by auditing your bank account.

Happy_Discussion_536

>Which does because people are buying it. Is that the use case then? There are many use cases. But yes gold is purchased because of the expectation that it will hold its value when fiat is debased. Demand skyrockets in inflationary periods. When inflation is low, its relative performance is terrible sometimes even consistently below inflation. >Bitcoin mining is becoming increasingly expensive as competition for electricity and hardware with AI companies continue. I view this is as irrelevant. Not only because hash rate has been continually rising even with the AI boom (we heard stories of miner pivots early back as 2022). But because like you said, difficulty will adjust until the most efficient miners remain, like always. And if it's too hard it will go down to attract miners that have shifted off. >Your use cases are fairly tiny. And I LIKE that it could be a good use case. Look at the billions that are transferred from host countries back to families in native countries using Western Union. Yes, people want to move money globally. And it's wonderful that this can done without exchanges if needed. It goes the reverse from what you described too, not just going to home countries. When people fled Cambodia to San Francisco with all the gold coins they could collect and hide to start a new life, now there is a much safer and better option. Saying it is a ponzi scheme is circular reasoning at this point. You can't assert that it is ponzi and therefore we can't find buyers. It may END up as a Ponzi and you are right if it collapses. But people are definitely still using it and IF they keep using it. Then it won't be. If you look at confirmed daily transactions of BTC, you'll notice that even in brutal winters... people used it! When all the speculators have given up it was just people who believed in it, didn't want fiat, criminals, a hodge podge but steady flow of users nonetheless. But these people, like me exist and will continue to exist. I am so so happy that BTC is a thing. I genuinely believe it is a minor miracle and triumph of the human mind, to create virtual buried treasure that is robust. Something that will be seen in history as an anti-authoritarian invention. If enough people see the folly of fiat, they will recognize not something to replace fiat but a pressure release valve that exists alongside it to fill a gap that exists. >So when debasement comes, who are you going to find to buy any of this My best is that not only will more debasement come, it will keep coming. If we have sudden deflation then BTC bros are in for a very rough time. Otherwise I believe we will do tremendously well.

bigbiblefire

cash advance on the CCs over to BTC ATMs?

priedits

After this failed cycle there will be be so much more BTC only crypto investors

Expensive_Special120

And what is BTC? And how does inflation not affect BTC? Its backed by FIAT … so … you know …

heinzmoleman

They evaluate the credit card debt to ensure this doesn't happen for example if you make luxury purchases before claiming bankruptcy those purchases will not be discharged under the bankruptcy and you would still be liable for the payments. Not to mention you have to disclose the BTC during the proceedings. If you attempt to hide it and then later convert it to fiat you will be jailed for fraud.

Legitimate-Space-279

In 2010 there were only a few things people were buying with BTC, and nobody was holding them as a store of value. We all remember what.

Cautious-Lecture-858

He literally said BTC bottomed at 92k.......... The AI said so.

kred316

Going to be interesting to see if the4 year cycle has been broken and we’re just seeing a pull back and the bull run continues or we’re seeing the beginning of a bear market. Personally I have no idea but there’s a lot of potential positives in early to mid 2026 so find it difficult to believe BTC doesn’t come back strong by at least mid 2026.

Longjumping-Bonus723

Ye 3rd and 4th generation blockchains will rise. If you want to store wealth, use BTC. If you want to solve a technical issue, use a modern project. It's not very hard to find out which ones are going to be used.

New_Drive_3617

Not far off from it... It was kinda nice having them try to jack my \~$800 of BTC and now sitting on \~$15k, even if it was recently worth over $20k.

MegaSackk

Amen brotha, but generating one with a coin or dice is just a fun way to learn more about how BTC private keys function.

Dangerous_Walk9239

Imagine owing that when BTC is at a million

VariatCA

Yeah that's literally what he said about both BTC and ETH, referring back to late-November. Absolutely unserious people in here just playing invent-a-narrative at this point.