BTC

numbersev

>I bought $10k of Bitcoin on October 8 when it was around $121k. Literally two days later, the huge crash started This is incredibly common, you bought the top. The thing you should be asking yourself is why? Which will help you better understand the psychology of investing (fear and greed). When BTC is at or near-all time highs and pumping, everyone wants in. Even people who otherwise wouldn't be interested, because they're seeing people all over social media talking about it or seeing big returns and getting fomo (fear of missing out). Then when BTC was near long-term low ($50s and 60s) you likely wanted nothing to do with it ("it'll probably go lower"), but that's the time to buy. When everyone else is fearful, be greedy. When everyone else is greedy (like when you bought the top) be fearful. >Do you think Bitcoin will eventually return to its old ATH?  lol

dire_faol

Pretty sure they have more BTC than USD. You need multiple tools in the war chest if you actually want to survive. We'll see what their BTC yield is for 2026, but I think they know what they're doing and will succeed at it.

Test-Tackles

I imagine that you could plot his stress levels and it would exactly follow the value of BTC

Self_Blumpkin

A satoshi. .00000001 BTC.

Easymacsauce

Anything is the 60s I’m buying, if the 70s get support I’ll be buying in the 70s and so on. Never a bad time to buy BTC if it’s money you don’t plan on using for 10 plus’s years

Paiden1

8.000 BTC 💀

PeteyPab305

You should have kept buying and averaged down. I started buying at around $80,000 pre-run up. Waited till it peaked out and then kept buying all the way down and back up and I'm up about 20-25% right now and holding about 0.25 BTC. I'm doing pretty well. I spent a lot of time buying in the 58k to 65k region.

ardus666

Trade BTC for ETH ...... whaaaaaaat???????? Please don't do that.

NeonMaxi

ETH is breaking out against BTC in the daily charts. If that break out confirms and continues, you will do better holding ETH than BTC. But that’s a big if at the moment, chart needs confirmation and even then it’s just a TA indicator

NeonMaxi

The way it’s worded: “swap 4 ETH for 0.25BTC” suggests this poster went from ETH to BTC and so is almost 2x up from this move. That is good value.

howihjr

Oh man you have to make this where you win like 0.000000000001 BTC. Absolutely brilliant

chilichiller

A friend of mine bought at the height of the 2017 Bitcoin boom, he was also in the reds almost instantly. A couple of month later he sold everything with a big loss, so he missed the next bull run some years later. He made two bad timing decisions and lost a lot of money. You need to be patient! Imaging my friend would have kept his BTC (which he bought for 18k) - it was a bargain in retrospect.

rasheed106

a few years ago, BTC was almost half today!

Technical-Sun5531

Imagine a world where btc whales crowdfund for their own navy and we start enforcing countries to do international trade on BTC

zachalicious

When was the $4M in BTC offer? Last year? Bad deal. 10 years ago? Probably a mistake, but 3 letter domains are very costly. Especially something like why, which is also a word.

balazra

With in the first two years of me buying BTC I was up 60% and down 50% over all at some point. After 2 years I have never been below initial buy in + inflation. After 6 years I am at the low points about 400% up… Time in the market… for any investment. If you want short term gains try poker or baseball card Packs.

MiaTaude589

Honestly, Coinbase wants your BTC sitting there because deposits, spreads and custody are the business. I use it as a ramp, wait for the withdrawal to clear, then send a small test amount before moving the rest to my hardware wallet. A $50 promo isn't worth leaving a serious balance on an exchange for a year?

Mededitor

Buying and holding BTC is a bit risky, but worth putting a position in. However, because it’s so speculative, you should only risk money you are comfortable losing. I bought in when 1 BTC was about $500. If I lost that, I wouldn’t even notice it. Going in as big as you are requires a level of conviction that seems more akin to plain gambling. Not recommended.

carlosriven

It used to be like this every week, but since the investment funds have decided to include BTC in the porfolios, the moves are really smooth.

CMDR_BunBun

I suspect OP meant they bought 4k worth of BTC.

csmflynt3

I'm curious as to why more people just don't borrow against BTC vs outright selling. Maybe take out 20K usd and just hold onto the rest to see what happens? If it crashes and you get liquidated so what you were going to sell it all anyway

dire_faol

It's for increasing the credit rating of the preferreds. If the USD Reserve could be used for anything (buying BTC, share buybacks, etc...), those funds aren't as directly attributable to the credit worthiness of Strategy. If USD Reserve is specifically allocated for preferreds and interest, it should have a significant impact on credit worthiness. And then USD Cash becomes the war chest for expanding and defending the treasury.

LokiLoke95

Oh we will get there. Give it a month. We are forming the lower high on the chart as we speak. Perfect entry for a short back down to around 45-50k IMO, and I am continuing to accumulate. It just seems the most likely outcome. We see over 20% gains after BTC had been dead money downtrending for a year or so, which triggers retail FOMO and when everyone jumps back in they will rug it back down until finally everyones lost hope. Then and only then, will it pump.  Naw but FR who knows? Thats just my theory.

visionanalyticsio

Fair take. For pure price exposure, especially if someone is new and just wants BTC beta in a brokerage or IRA, the ETF is the lower-friction option. Most people are more likely to screw up their own seed phrase than BlackRock/Coinbase are to lose the coins. That said, the risk isn’t really them “stealing” 0.2 BTC. It’s operational failure, concentrated custody, or some edge-case legal mess if things go really sideways. Still low probability, but not zero. Self-custody is great when someone actually wants the sovereignty and is willing to learn the ops. For a lot of people who just want the number to go up, the ETF is the more practical choice and the “you’re doing it wrong” comments don’t help.

visionanalyticsio

They’re close but never going to be perfectly identical. IBIT has a 0.25% fee that slowly bleeds, it holds a tiny bit of cash for operations, and the creation/redemption process + premium/discount means it can lag or lead BTC by a little bit intraday. Also the charts are different data sources so the scaling and timing won’t line up exactly. Over longer timeframes they track pretty tightly though. The gap you see is normal.

visionanalyticsio

Yeah a lot of people run both. IBIT for the easy brokerage/IRA stuff and then some actual BTC on a hardware wallet so you’re not 100% dependent on the ETF structure and Coinbase custody. After the Coldcard stuff I’d lean Bitkey over Ledger if you’re starting fresh, but both have tradeoffs. Ledger’s been around longer, Bitkey is simpler and more open. Just buy direct and verify everything. Main thing is deciding how much you actually want to self-custody vs keep in the ETF. No wrong answer, just different risks.

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Traditional_Most105

I personally used chatgpt to start learning about crypto by asking it about terms, whats happening, etc. Just make sure if you use it to tell it to give you the sources it gathered info about cause it does make mistakes. I use it as an advanced google os sort. I have the plus plan. Some other good sites are: Coindesk Coingecko Coinmarketcap Coinglass Tradingeconomics Defilama Tradingview Glassnode Most people here will tell you to buy mostly BTC or ETH. They are the safest. If you want to buy any other altcoin you should do your own research. Search within the top 50 -100 coins. Influencers, youtubers, and people in socials either want to hype their coins for you to buy and be their exit strategy, if its memecoins the same, they might be even insiders. So social media and influencers its noise mostly. Listen to it, but dont depend your decisions on them. Many factors drive prices. I invested in some altcoins i believe in after i did my research. They are in rwa, some layer 1, defi... i wont name them cause i dont want to influence anyone or seem like i promote them. Some people might say they are useless. I dont. They have higher upside than btc and eth but they also have more risk than btc and eth. I might have profits, i might not have. I accepted that and put money i can afford to lose. You should do the same if you want to invest in alts... and always have in mind an exit strategy on when to sell. You might sell some when the price goes up and leave others for a later probability of price rising. Always check the news about your coins and the market and economy in general. Good luck.

AnnMarRedd

They initially did, when it was worth \~70mln and only started chasing seriously when BTC went up so the stolen 120k was worth billions.

ir88ed

Congrats on the gains. I was dumb and despite getting in in 2014, I held onto a dumb "2nd best" alt coin because BTC was expensive at $1k. Live and learn. Most on here won't understand the issues around volatility later in the game, it's just moon around the corner. Enjoy the fruits of your smart choices!

KateR_H0l1day

Should be another nice bump for BTC & Gold when they do.

Svetoslav_

People who wait for 40k wouldn't buy even if BTC hits 40k as they will think it will go lower.

D3sp3r0

Back in late 22 I bought 0.5 BTC @ 17k after it had bottomed at around 16k. Never sold, total holdings are 2.3 BTC and I won't sell until around 2029 no matter what. Just buy and commit to your plan

BMWupgradeCH

You liturally just bought 6 month all time high…. Correction is coming for sure, either pull it out and experience FOMO or be pre paired to see BTC to drop and you be in the red for entire September

Lost-Fig-3248

bro went from “don’t ask about my magic internet money” to getting steak AND dessert 😂 that’s the real BTC adoption metric.

PolishRifle23

I respect the decision. I’m 4 years from early retirement and will probably hold mine. I got in way too late so BTC is fun money for me.

Leviathan_Dev

Nah, fair. I’m only putting $10 a week in it. The only currency I’m actually putting big money is BTC, and partially Ethereum

ubermensch1001

It's honestly kind of crazy to look back on 2022 through 2024 to see just how much had changed in such a short time window. November of 2022 we had the FTX crash where BTC was at around 16k, fast forward to just 15-16 months later and it was setting a new all time high lol. To put this into perspective with the 2018-2021 cycle, we bottomed out late 2018 and didn't even set a new all time high until late 2020. Again, I don't think it's all that long from now before we cross above 100k and I think once this definitively happens it won't take much for a new all time high. Something I think about is that this is literally the last window where a relatively normal person starting with 0 can get .1+. Let's say we fast forward to the 2028 halving and BTC is trading at 200k or higher, how many people are going to have $20,000 to be able to buy that? Even now at a cost of a little under $8,000 this is difficult for most working Americans. It's actually insane to reflect on this and especially when not too long ago this would have cost you a couple grand or even less than 1k.

Leviathan_Dev

I put $4000 into BTC as it was rising right around 70,000… honestly do wonder if I put it in XRP when it was $1 being now it is $1.50, fastest extra $2000 I could’ve made

Last_Ad_301

Because you can't sell SPCX and re-enter positions in BTC?

ShittingOutPosts

Even the ones that have little to do with digital assets. Most of Reddit does not appreciate BTC.

btc_marshmallow_test

I bought in 2013 and 2014 so there's no proof I'm willing to offer you that isn't easily fabricated. I'm up 15,500% and not selling until I can retire on a small portion of my stack. The rest will stay BTC to retire my whole bloodline.

devCheckingIn

SATA has been trading at par for quite a few days now. That's probably allowed Strive to buy some more BTC.

EricLimbongan

That’s actually where more BTC use cases start to make sense. If you can borrow against it without selling, BTC becomes more than just something you hold.

ubermensch1001

I've been around since 2018. I made a large lump sum move in the latter part of 2022, it wasn't the exact bottom but it was under 20k, and also dollar cost averaged going into early 2023. I then spent 2023 and 2024 building up some alt positions while ignoring BTC. In 2025 I started buying BTC again in the 80ks and 70ks, especially last April. With regards to this year, I heavily accumulated back in February and also here in June when we were in the 60k range. I actually thought about making a final big move a few weeks ago when we were in the low 60k range, but I told myself I was going to wait until late September to early October to evaluate. If we do get a slightly lower low or at least revisit this range in the next 2-3 months, I'll throw this remaining cash in. I think it's a bit too early for things to flip bullish, but we aren't that far off from it either. It won't take much before we are back above 100k and from there setting a new all time high. I'm actually thinking we set a new all time high BEFORE the end of 2027. I watched a video from onchain mind, and the pattern is that the vast majority of the action consistently occurs in the pre halving and halving years while the post halving years are seeing diminishing returns. Basically, we see most of the big gains over the next 2 years and then hit a slightly higher high in 2029 that is otherwise boring. It explains why the blow off tops are becoming less prevalent.

__Geros__

Thanks to DCAing all of my top 3 holdings (BTC ,XMR , ERG ) are safu, well almost all. If ERG dips to 0,15 cents it can go fuck itself

Scottex99

Will be fun to look back when BTC is $600k, like damn I almost got some brooo

InsightKnite

So just to be clear what you are stating is that BTC went up, down and also stayed idle. Fascinating.

Scottex99

Split is fine but what do you do if BTC is $90k next week, keep waiting Or if it goes $70k do you wait for $60k? Just buy now and check the balances in a few months

Few-Engineering9803

I bought the stock at $100, and now it's up to the same level pretty much. In the meantime I get 12% on my 300k initial investment. That's 32k a year without doing ANYTHING. I haven't lost a dollar, unless I sold at $75 (a moron could see this turning back around when BTC fluctuates back up). It's not a savings account, it just slightly mirrors one. It's an analogy. So yes, here I am....silly me, making a ton of money by doing jack shit.

TimeFishing278

Why are you waiting? Are you going to buy 1 or more BTC? It doesn't make much of a difference if you are buying $100 of bitcoin.

KateR_H0l1day

It's exactly the same as mine, but we differ in guesses by $10/20K. Some people would say it would make no difference if BTC hits a new ATH. HOWEVER, id say it makes a huge difference, if you continue waiting and miss the bandwagon 😉

Somening

Do you mean by that that i shouldnt put everying in BTC

FunkyGrass

Yes. Fuck these private companies holding/withholding your own money. BTC was never born to be regulated. Will drop a YouTube video soon calling all these mfs out 🙏

KateR_H0l1day

Last weeks uptick was the biggest since March 2023, but the low Last cycle was in December 2023 at ~$15K. Just don't spend your funds now and you just might be able to buy back in significantly lower. But, don't wait to long hoping for somewhere in the $50K range and miss the opportunity! I still think it's going lower, and you can buy back in at another lower price point, increasing your BTC holdings. Don't let the bulls scare you to much, it's a kind of 80/20% rule at the moment 🤔 Just some musings from a random Internet stranger 🤷‍♀️

Exciting-Knowledge86

Oh no BTC is only up $1.5k instead of $2.5k everyone panic sell!!

Impossible_Excuse937

Exactly, I was tempted when I first saw the offer, then read the small print. I’m not leaving my BTC on there for two years!

anotherbrckinTH3Wall

If you sold a couple of BTC you held from 2016, how did you only make 20k. Something not right with your story

Signal-Fig-2952

First, Coinbase doesn’t need your BTC for solvency. This is purely an incentive to have more assets under custody and to encourage you to trade more. This produces fees and revenue. That’s it.

filenotfounderror

No because CB only offers USDC lemding, not BTC lending

IBAN-IBON64

Bientôt non mais en 2030 possible . Le BTC est une réserve de valeur il ne faut pas faire de trading avec BTC . Ça se garde comme un trésor. Et la patience te récompensera.

Efficient_Range1156

Nice! 3 cycles is an epic hold. So where are you neutral on BTC?

ptrnyc

if it goes to 40k they'll be too scared to buy and will join the "BTC is dead" chorus.

BigNoseParody

It's not ridiculous at all. I believe we are in a bull market and I also believe in BTC, so naturally we will never reach 40k any time soon or ever in our life time. When you start to think about long term and accept this is a bull market now, 40k is just a distant wet dream, 1 million becomes reality.

unusual-fire

Maybe Bitcoin as a whole if it continues to innovate but not BTC which stalled development.

retro_grave

You should \~6-12 months emergency fund in case you lose your job. But if BTC drops to $40k you drop all that shit in because it's an emergency buy /s.

IBAN-IBON64

BTC HODL 💪 tu peux vendre une partie à 250000$

OrangePillar

They are software forks, not forks of the network. Only BCH shares any blockchain history with BTC. With the amount of investment in BTC coming from institutions and businesses, I don’t see how any of the other related projects would have an upside better than BTC. And the price chart reflects it.

Efficient_Range1156

Buy 1BTC back, dca the rest slowly, enjoy life 😊

SoCallMeDeaconBlues1

40k? ffs Maybe if some quantum computer cracks the blockchain or something. People trading magic internet beans need to understand that there is no such thing as a get rich scheme. You either own BTC or you don't. Every single goddamn time.... Every time (!) BTC will pull some crazy shit and wipe out all the leveraged traders in both directions.

False-Car-1218

Gross I'm selling my BTC just because of this post

Few-Engineering9803

I get 30k a year from this, you were saying? It's back up at 97. It's a product that swings with BTC to some degree, who knew lol. It's not rocket science.

Few-Engineering9803

Are the tits with us in the room right now? Back up at $97. A product based on BTC follows BTC....who knew.

Flabarfin

I was at one point all in with ETH. Got disappointed and went more into BTC. best decision ever

Few-Engineering9803

This aged like fine wine, back up to $97. How on Earth did you not see this coming? It obviously follows BTC to a large degree, even a child could tell you that. I'm getting my 30k a year even in a major bear market, seems to be working just fine to me.

peppaz

He's buying with other people's money, and that's when people buy BTC and BTC related holdings.

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Temporary-Cause730

BTC spent 3 months accumulating in the 60-67k range. This is very similar to the bottom at the end of 2022.

BigNoseParody

I believe BTC will reach 1mil faster than 40k. My honest opinion.

PuzzleheadedSea2265

BTC is going to hit 49k. Anyone getting into longs before then are FOMO buyers

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unqualified_redditor

I tried to transfer my BTC off coinbase and they locked my account..

callmeapples

So people are happy he has cash and BTC? Why are people mad?

liquid_at

I look at cycles. Bitcoin cycle is not the only one. financial system as a whole has century cycles, there are decade cycles, bitcoins 4 years cycle, intrayear cycles, down to intra week and intra day. Bitcoin cycle determines when moves can happen. other cycles determine how much ammo is available for it. you can go deep into complex wave patterns, but most of the time, knowing the quarter of the year, where you expect highs or lows, is usually enough to make a plan. I mean, when the cycle tells you that the lowest point is supposed to happen this autumn, while a new ath is expected end of 2028 and end of 2029, because in every previous cycle, BTC has lead the alts as well as followed them, you can plan for that. the better your prediction is, the more precise are your windows, where you expect moves. for me, it does not really matter if BTC goes to 58 or 56k, both are good entries. I also don't know how far above 126k the new high will be. I do know that buying under 58k and selling over 126k, will yield a profit. that's enough to plan.

Lefties_TheWorst7331

BTC only sir

SeemedGood

Shortages (even extreme ones) of a given good do not obviate the value of the standard intermediate good. Rather, they typically tend to increase the value of the standard intermediate good. And yes, when food is extremely short, a standard intermediate good still provides the most efficient means of distributing it relative to all other goods/services in the economy. Value is subjective because individuals have different production/consumption functions and different orders of wants. That a given good may increase in price relative to all other goods (which is reflected by its price measured in the intermediate good) doesn’t invalidate the utility of the intermediate good. Quite the opposite, it reaffirms the utility (and thus value) of the intermediate good. In any famine event in the world, the rich (aka those with the largest accumulations of the standard intermediate good) tend to fare better in acquiring food (or any other extremely scarce resource). The issue with BTC is that its potential utility as a standard intermediate good (aka money) was deliberately crippled, and as such the probability that “people will determine” that it has significant value other than as an instrument for raw financial speculation based on the greater fool theory is extremely low.

Efficient_Range1156

Just maybe with 50 BTC?

No_Community7021

Best BTC book is a conversation with the AI.

biophysicsguy

That doesn't sound wise. 5 BTC amounts to $400k as of right now. Sure I believe that BTC will go to $1 million eventually and if I had $5 million I would probably retire now... but I need to survive along that journey to $1 million BTC. At current prices I would burn through 1 BTC per year and be broke in 5 years.

tapmorz

lite, bch, and other fork is trash bro. Keep it on da real one 💲BTC

3rinnM

Fundamentals and narratives have never been stronger for the industry as a whole, around the world, and in the US. So we, will see… BTC could go on a killing spree and end up with a new dog in the end😅

mcfreiz

I only have BTC and SOL at this point

kajunkennyg

People really believe this? BTC is nothing like it's form years ago when there was no kyc etc. I miss those days.

IAmSixNine

I see that stack and think, oh what error notes or cool serial numbers are in there? LOL then i think BTC.

Soggy_Stargazer

You and so many others. The real pisser is you found a BUNCH of free money, it just wasn't there yet. I mined, thought it was cool, and just sort of kept an eye on things. Tried GPU mining when it became a thing, then I bought some ASICs and validated that the mining calculators were pretty accurate, however if I had just plowed the $400 a month in electricity directly into BTC for the 2 and a half years I ran them I would have done better than breaking even and recouping the BTC I spent on the miners. I've no ragrets for any btc I have cashed in for lifestyle chits and being semi-retired before 50 doesn't suck.

Velvet_Samurai

I'm starting to wonder if I need to sell some BTC and buy a Vespa or two. I had no idea they were worth as much as a used car.

mrhappymillennial

Lol. I'm fire in my 30s. Still have 0.9 BTC. Want to get rid of it, but I can't sell to much in one year as that would trigger a higher marginal tax in my jurisdiction.

Dehyak

Well you don’t own BTC if you’re investing through an ETF. And if it’s with an ETF, it’s on a CEX. During the financial crisis, companies weren’t stealing peoples stocks. Self-custody is great, been doing it since 2018. But with self-custody, you can still get hacked (Coldcard), you can expose yourself through negligence or just bad practice, you can forget your password, lose your pass phrase. It’s all a risk, I still opt for self-custody. But buying an ETF through a CEX does look more and more attractive than custody imo. If my account says $0. I have numbers I can call

Rayjex

Remind me October 5th at 9am tomorrow is theoretical BTC low then next peak is September 2029

YogurtClosetThinnest

>There are bloomberg reports and other big finance companies who say BTC will reach half a mill by the end of 2030 I mean I got in on average probably 70k and I don't believe this at all lmao