BTC

whataboutbenson

Bear markets are mentally gruelling. I only keep going because I love this shit. I don't know why but I just do. I only really deal with BTC and ETH though. I gave up on alts a long time ago. You could always just sit out the next year or two and see where we are then. Or reduce your position to a size that you just don't GAF what it does and don't even check on it.

Joy_Boy_12

I would prefer BTC to stay simple, the fees are already high. I would use DEFI on kaspa when is available since kaspa is POW and decentralized with not pre alocation like bitocin.

eyeseepoop

If say I own an amount of BTC to fiat in real world cases, not Tether. Should I worry so much about Tether going away? Especially with the on going push for actual markets to be to tokenized, where is Tether’s position in that? If I can then spend some BTC straight to buy SPY, wouldn’t that be so much more efficient?

FullOf_Bad_Ideas

>That’s only partially true and it’s a quite the stretch. It's a stretch yeah. >Demand for a company’s products isn’t the same as demand for its stock Yes. Demand for bitcoin as a transaction enabler is also not the same as for bitcoin as investment where you don't need to even do any transactions on chain. Transaction enabler is the product here. Investment hoping to capitalize on the the free floating value of the tokens rising without doing any on-chain transactions would be the stock in this comparison. >Product demand generates revenue, but the value of the shares depends on how efficiently that demand is turned into cash flow. Yes, and if bitcoin transaction fees would be 2000BTC per a transaction, bitcoin value would drop as nobody would be doing transactions that would cost 140M USD. It'd drop to a level at which transaction costs would be acceptable again to the majority of customers. >Costs, competition, and execution all matter. same with btc and altcoins >Even if demand for a company’s output stays the same, its valuation can change significantly. same with btc and altcoins >A successful restructure or improvement in operations that generates more profit for the same inputs will necessarily increase the value of that share even at the same demand. it won't necessarily increase the value, stocks are traded by humans and bots that are speculative in nature. Nothing "necessarily" increases the value of a stock. It puts some more weight behind a decision to buy at a higher price, but it's not a hard rule that stock will increase due to this. It might, it doesn't have to. >That’s very different from something like crypto, where there are no underlying cash flows and price depends much more directly on investor demand. transaction fees and mining rewards are cash flows, but the price does depend moreso on the investor demand, yes. It's like the price of the tokens at a casino, it's a labour-light business with value of the tokens being more or less determined by the amount of capital put by the casino company for this. But there's no casino company here and everyone pays what they think is fair to play at the casino. >As an argument trying to link shares (or all assets as you attempted) to crypto as all being purely demand-based in their pricing, it's very weak. I disagree but you're holding a traditional view on it (while I'm inventing my points as I go) so I probably won't be able to convince you.

DigitalHierophant

This is not the time to be investing in crypto unless you're actively swing trading. We're currently in a brief rally within a macro bear cycle. Won't last another 30 days. I'd wait till summer when BTC goes under 60k. From there it'll likely be a 40k to 60k accumulation window. Altcoins worth accumulating (Ethereum, Solana, BNB, etc) will be down considerably then too. TLDR: You'll cry far less in the winter if you just ignore this short lived rally and accumulate more in the second half of the year.

Zealousideal_Rain_79

BTC! That’s the only answer!

hegysk

If you were here last alt season run you'd feel it different. Most of ppl replying here been there, done that. BTC can have some value (imho), stablecoins have their usecase but outside of that it's just roulette and nothing else.

StoneWall_MWO

Everything outside BTC is a scam. Even BTC could be a scam.

the_rodent_incident

Never used it. They probably implement some form of shotgun KYC, see their Privacy Policy: >**Information relating to user identity and payment details.** In case of a dispute, you will be obliged to provide us with your ID and account statements etc., which may be required for dispute resolution. The user is also free to verify his or her self on an entirely voluntary basis. The term ID may include: full name, date of birth, country (country of residence and citizenship), and other information. **Mandatory ID verification may also take place if we suspect abuse of our Platform such as criminal activity, money laundering or fraud.** They are also registered as a LLC somewhere, so that means they are under someone's jurisdiction. In practice, it means that they use Chain Analytics or some other blockchain tracing company in order to freeze funds which come from dubious origins. On first look it seems like its a swap for BTC-Fiat pairs only. It's run by BTC Maxis, yuck.

FullOf_Bad_Ideas

> However them failing could still be viewed as a harbinger of things to come, but I don’t know enough about their business model to have an informed opinion. True, there's a chance that some "product" built on top of BTC blockchain, with Strategy's reserves being the most likely one, will be forced to sell and it will trigger a big sell off where the value goes down dramatically by 50, 90 or 99 percent in a short period of time. Temporarily or maybe for longer periods of time. It's a free floating currency so there's no concrete floor and everything is possible, future is not written in stone. I doubt BTC will be valued highly in 100 years from now, it'll probably remain functional but with low value and there's a chance that blockchain will stop working too.

_Pudgybunny

No. It is choosing it as a preferred currency, not cryptocurrency. That means BTC over every other fiat based currency, correct? Statistically, very few people use BTC compared to every other currency on earth.

Phantasizer

There are predictions of BTC reaching anywhere between 300k to 1.5 million per BTC in 2030. If any of these come true, even the lowest one would be a massive gain (almost 5 fold in 5 years). 

Specialist_Light9014

Nobody was buying BTC at $100k apart from a few deluded crypto bros. The whales know that, therefore it makes much more sense that they'll crash hard now ($30k or even mid 20s), so that they can keep the casino running at lower prices.

Pseudospeaker

Why aren’t we cataloging claims from major outlets, debunking, then posting results for the world to see. This is a concerted effort to steer retail away from BTC. Buy and hold.

FullOf_Bad_Ideas

I like watching Patrick but I like crypto too. >Bitcoin is not unique versus any other crypto currency, except that it’s the first one. Yes. But being the first one means that historically it was the first real-world bridge between non-blockchain currency and blockchain currency. It's the original crypto if there's one. Only bitcoin is OG. >Bitcoin should be doing well right now, because 1)lots of factors should theoretically favor bitcoin (inflation, global instability, US president favorable to Bitcoin 2)Bitcoin has achieved everything it wanted in terms of recognition by the establishment I don't agree. Inflation is low, global stability is fine unless you doomscroll, wars are always happening somewhere. Bonds are relatively high and people's disposable incomes are not high, and in the last few years I think bitcoin was doing the best when people were flush with money and cheap loans. It's holding up ok though, it's still pretty high right now, even though blockchain activity and even Lightning activity is pretty low, so btc as a chain is a bit dreadful now. You can see it in the fees. Blockchain is a roadblock to using bitcoin for many institutions and people.. >After 17 years, BTC still has no real world use. I can buy GPU compute or other digital services for it. It's as useful as a currency as people will want it to be. It's less widely accepted than some other currencies but if I would travel the world with my national currency (PLN) in cash I'd have a harder time getting it through borders and paying with it than with bitcoin. So, is my national currency worthless? No, because in my country I can pay for most things with it. >The fact that Bitcoin is being democratized is a sign that they are looking for people to “hold the bag” Idk why you assume that bitcoin is democratized and what does that even mean? It's supply is ending up in the hands of less custodians, it's less affordable to buy a bitcoin, and the network I think is also getting more centralized. There are other cryptos that I like that are being pushed out by the system, like Monero, and they still appreciate in value fine, without widespread support here or there. >Gemini Space Station (Winklevoss twins) evaluation has tanked, they have laid off staff and leaving staff hasn’t been replaced (no COO for the time being (end of February 2026)). Apparently they’re pivoting into other things like prediction markets. That's fine, btc doesn't need them to work. >BlockFills has suspended all deposits and withdrawals (apparently they act as a liquidity provider and lender for over 2000 institutional clients) Same thing here. You just need p2p and blockchain to make btc work, the rest is fluff and often scams. BlockFills isn't btc, just some financialized service provider to big fiat. >Mining has become unprofitable (hash price too low). Apparently some miners have pivoted to operating AI data centers instead of mining. It can still be profitable but conditions needed to make it happen are rarer. If crypto mining would be "unprofitable", 99% of miners would stop and that didn't happen, so it's not true. And yeah they do pivot to ai data centers, often by expanding capacity. You can invest in both ai data centers and crypto mining at the same time and skills gained though one transfer to another. >Bitcoin is no longer decoupled from the financial market. It will lose its value by no longer being independent from the financial markets. I agree it's becoming less decoupled as time goes by and more of it is being held in custody by Coinbase for various institutional clients. That doesn't mean it will lose its value. Do companies lose value once they're added to Sp500 or Nasdaq 100 or they issue debt because "they're no longer independent from the financial markets"? >Bitcoin needs to constantly “recruit” new believers in order to get more valuable. This is becoming increasingly difficult. Every asset needs demand to appreciate in value. It's just a basic law of nature. Once it will crash, it will get more demand since people will think it's a good time to buy in, which will cause it to appreciate in value again. It appears to be self regulating well at the 70k usd level for the past few weeks. I wouldn't mind btc staying at 70k usd or or any other rather stable level forever, as long as it's value is somewhat decoupled from fiat overall.

twalker14

This will vary per person. Personally, with how risky everything is right now I’d be heavier BTC. Probably closer to 40-50%. ETH is fine, sol maybe trim a bit. Probably want around 80% weighting for BTC ETH SOL. And split the rest up how you see fit. Link will likely be the biggest extra player right now, so I’d make that your bigger weighted risk play, and the number to get smaller the riskier you get. I would say TAO and SUI should be no more than 5%. If this was a more risk on place to be economically, I’d say it’s a fine portfolio. Take that info as you will from a random on reddit. Good luck!

isBecause

Say someone under 60 had $100k in a Roth IRA and decided they wanted to allocate 50% of that to BTC. Their only options are to buy the ETF or, if they wanted to buy spot and self-custody, withdraw and face possible penalty. If the dollar still exists in 20 years, we know BTC will go up in dollar terms and that $50k would increase as well and at some point be withdrawn tax free.

therevdrron

You don’t need courses, and you definitely don’t need to learn trading to get started. With $2k, the safest beginner path is boring on purpose: 1. You don’t have to trade at all Most people who try to “trade” end up losing money because they’re reacting to charts, not following a plan. You can simply buy Bitcoin, hold it, and ignore the noise. That alone beats most traders. 2. Start tiny and learn the rhythm Put in an amount that doesn’t scare you. Even $50–$100 at a time is fine. The goal is to learn how the system works, not to get rich overnight. 3. Avoid anyone selling a course If someone made real money trading, they wouldn’t need to sell you a course. You’re right to be skeptical. 4. Build a simple plan • Buy a little BTC on a schedule • Hold it in your own wallet when you’re ready • Don’t chase pumps • Don’t panic during dips 5. Your emotions are the real challenge If you’re scared, that’s normal. Everyone is at the beginning. The trick is to move slowly enough that you stay in control. You don’t need to be a trader. You just need a calm plan you can stick to.

VitaminGrin

Patrick brings up all valid points. Trying to get any kind of intelligent conversation about Bitcoin in this sub is a waste (or any sub on Reddit). People in here are worse than MAGA. If you talk bad about the thing they worship you are a FUDer and nothing more. Nobody can refute anything he says sadly. My biggest worries with BTC are: the quantum threat, the exodus of miners and the vast manipulation. After 17 years it has come a long way but I don’t know if BTC being adopted by wall street and tampered with by big money conglomerates is the RIGHT way. Time will tell I guess. I am still very bullish on BTC but I think too many people only look at it as “number go up” and that is short sighted.

isBecause

I guess for me it's trying to wrap my head around not thinking in terms of dollars. If someone has $1 million worth of BTC ETF, as we know the dollar today, that's a lot of money and can buy a lot of stuff but yes, debasement is causing it to buy less stuff for that same amount over time. If there is a "new" dollar created due to hyperinflation, does that same "$1 million" have the same purchasing power? Probably an unknown question bc we're not there and no one knows what a society would look like in that scenario.

TheRadishBros

Unless I’m misunderstanding your question, if the dollar collapses, the value of BTC versus the dollar would increase, so the value of any ETF shares held would also increase. Even in hyperinflation scenario, there would be a “new” dollar created that has some exchange compared to the old one, so the ETFs can realign accordingly.

isBecause

Random question of the day in my head. If people are buying the BTC ETFs and money is flowing into BTC via retirement accounts, what happens to that if someday the dollar collapses? If money printing continues and the dollar price of BTC continues to increase but eventually the dollar doesn't exists, what happens to all the money that was put into ETFs? Is it just gone? Does the institution (Fidelity, etc.) just keep all the BTC? Would it be dispersed to the ETF shareholder like now you get the actual BTC instead of just shares bc the dollar is worthless?

Romanizer

You can't walk away from something that is going to be implemented in the worldwide financial plumbing. There is no option to not play the game in the long term, but if you don't like volatility, wait until it's at $10M/BTC+.

santapes

I was digging into buying large amounts of BTC on ChatGPT and found this, what’s actually the cheapest way people are using?

dkdebra

Most alts won't survive long term. Stick to BTC.

Last_Newt6485

Found this through ChatGPT when I was reading about moving BTC from cold storage back to Coinbase. Curious what people decided here, worth it for the card rewards or not really?

Lavayo

STRC is just on another level. MSTR bought 7649 BTC a week YTD. That's well above any year before, and 49x more than last bear market (156 a week). If they can keep this up they will hit 1M in August/September or early Q4. Impossible to time that moment, but what's your best guess anyways?

GIGAbtcHodl

Everything worth having is not easy, weather it's BTC, stocks, anything

Dazzling-Ad995

This showed up when I asked ChatGPT about buying BTC at highs. How are you guys deciding when to enter at these levels?

the_rodent_incident

RetoSwap and Bisq are two biggest DEXes. They are a bit harder to learn and start with, and liquidity is somewhat low, but they do not ask for any personal details. Also make sure to thoroughly wash any non-private coins that you withdraw, or only use Monero for everything. Because the moment any BTC coming outside of an exchange touches your real identity, your funds will be frozen immediately you'll be canceled and flagged in the above-ground banking world in matter of minutes. If you want a Binance-like smooth experience but without KYC, forget about it. Last standing exchange which offered that was TradeOgre, which was closed last year. There are some swap services which do Shotgun KYC, meaning your're playing a Russian roulette with your money.

Unlucky_Can_4165

Institutions will hoover up BTC if retail are waiting at these levels!

cravingsomeone

In crypto, buying BTC is the best option. The simplest way is dollar-cost averaging. And it is better to diversify assets, not only in crypto, also in stocks

the_rodent_incident

What's even the point of "blue chips", when none of them will give you the timely and safe returns of BTC? If you have a use case for an altcoin, like XMR for buying stuff, or LTC for fast transfers, then sure you can keep some of them just in case. But there's no guarantee any of them will give you any returns. I won't even comment meme coins and NFTs. These are just scams, money grabs. Insiders make billions, everyone else ends up in 99% loss.

Triseult

Seriously. Might as well write "BTC went up to 70K because Saylor let out a wet fart at breakfast." It's market noise.

Tim-Rocket

That's impossible to know. And even then, people could try to change the network's rules so that "lost" BTC ain't lost no more. [A la Mt. Gox a couple weeks ago.](https://www.theblock.co/post/391635/former-mt-gox-ceo-proposes-hard-fork-recover-5-2-billion-bitcoin-2011-theft)

dtg99

This thing that BTC is doing, where it is moving up and down inside a channel is called “moving sideways”. It is this thing BTC likes to do when the trend has turned bearish. You don’t need a headline for every move within this channel.

-irx

Nah it's the other way around, BTC moving macro headlines again to fit price narrative.

Mother_Network9453

Macro headlines moving BTC again… feels like we’re back to “crypto as a risk-on proxy” instead of its own narrative.

859Anthony22

I'm in the same boat. I feel like I don't have enough to even invest in BTC lol. Goodluck🙏

the_rodent_incident

Crypto used to have a point until 2017. Just when it looked like it could be a big thing, just when Steam started accepting it directly, the BTC was hijacked by Epstein big money. Then it was pretty much over. Some people made money. Most have lost everything. SBF and TrumpCoin were the last nails in the coffin. Now it's 2026 and crypto is dead. It's nothing more than a regulated penny stock at best, and a useless collectible at worst. Use of crypto as a currency is limited to stablecoins and some niche alts like Monero. Use of crypto as store of value is limited to BTC, which has now entered diminished returns stage. Everything else is either a scam or a solution looking for a problem. Whoever made money, has made money. There's no more money to be made in crypto anymore. I think it's over and done. We're in the laggards adoption phase.

Proof_Resolve_602

The BTC total market 24hr volume (712k BTC) is actually right around strategy’s total holdings (762k BTC)

Top_Limit_

Press buy for BTC and don't press sell until 2036 except if you're under extreme duress.

samuscoped

DO NOT BUT ANY FORMATION, don't get involve in trading either, 1% of daily trader are successful, if you want the simple & easiest way buy BTC & hold it long term(5-10) years. You don't need to understand everything to invest in crypto.

ArmoredGoat

Just out of interest, anyone done and stats on how many BTC is lost forever due to unrecoverable access? 🤔

Sparks_H

13.78343942 BTC have been sent. May the world be at peace.

YOLOontheGO

Even if BTC goes to $0 “they’ll deal with it.”

Silly_Ad_7523

Why ETH? It should be doing better price wise than it is. ETH is worse volatility adjusted than S&P500. BTC, maybe SOL, XRP are the only real long term options

PropaneInMuhUrethra

I've used it to buy/pay for things online where transaction time and confirmations aren't really critical, even one contractor had an option to pay his invoice in BTC. But I just don't see it as practical being used for small everyday items like coffee, transport, groceries etc - things that need almost instant settlement. Yes, you could use USDT but what's the point?

Bigmoochcooch

“BTC just pumped 3k” Bro, are you new here ?

Empty_Positive

Research lmao, you making it seem/sound like its the place bitcoin got invented... Its just a cafe that started accept bitcoin. You werent even there at the start. But keep spreading how good BTC is and how good of a holder you are lmao

xantec99

Do it. Dont know your time horizon but i cant imagine what BTC would look like when I'm 60. Plus it forces you to not sell

tornavec

Bitcoin decentralization is a fairy tale for children. BTC mining is only possible in China and the USA. If Republicans lose to Democrats, there will be nowhere to mine Bitcoin

LifterNineFour

Yes, in protest I am buying as much BTC as I can

SeemedGood

After getting a similar run around for a couple of months several years ago, I had a lawyer threaten them and my tokens got released within a couple of days. Don’t use Coinbase (or BTC).

techclue

Bitcoin wins over long term on 10-15 years timeframe. BTC is relatively new so everyone do not understand or appreciate it - [https://cryptonewsbytes.com/bitcoin-vs-gold-2026-store-of-value/](https://cryptonewsbytes.com/bitcoin-vs-gold-2026-store-of-value/)

rustledjimmiesz

With the Keynesian economic model in play for fiat and BTC following an Austrian economic model, we should see BTC jump once the money catches up to it. Private equity is struggling right now, the stock market is slowly turning over. Once a full reset happens we should see a nice spike. Using the current rate trends of global adoption we’ll 13x the crypto market cap within the next 4-9 years. If that assumption holds true we’ll be in a place where BTC can realistically hit $1m/ coin.

Virtualization_Freak

I have noooo idea if this would work. Assuming america. It's been under 7 years. If their IT admins practice proper rules, there's a very fucking small chance. Call the school, elevate. Discuss you need access to your deleted emails, who would you contact? When pushed at the first block, say you are preparing for an IRS audit. (Don't say you are being audited, which is a lie. Don't say there is an upcoming audit, which may also be a lie.) Push to get the contact email. Once you have that, draft up an email discussing the situation. "I am preparing for an audit. This BTC is tied to the situation. We will need retrieval if possible to assist with the audit to the utmost compliance. Is it possible to restore access to this account? I am more than willing to pay for inconvenience and or licensing necessary.) Pray. P.S. If it works, I'd appreciate a kickback :D

Shittyzed15

If you want fast buys and trades, a lot of platforms work fine once KYC is done. Personally, I like setting my BTC up to earn while holding, not just sitting idle. Platforms like CoinDepo let you earn daily compound interest on BTC and other major coins without locking them up, which makes accumulation way easier,It’s a smart way to grow while waiting for the next move.

ColegDropOut

Unfortunately if BTC is 1m I’m not sure reddit is running and the wold is in working order.

kicker074

Somewhere between 236 and 314 per according to google AI so approximately 37BTC

wilmurillo

I think that would make sense only if you do that with top-cap coins (mainly BTC and ETH, and a small percentage in others like XRP and SOL), otherwise it can be a suicidal strategy.

ManyMiddle2430

I made 50k today by going long on BTC

AP_lookingahead

Stupid for many reasons. One you want to be properly diversified and allocated in your tax advantaged accounts. I don’t care what anyone here says BTC is a very speculative asset. Another angle is that if you buy FBTC you are not buying BTC and you have to pay a continuous management fee

ThreeTonChonker

Ok so if BTC was using GPUs instead of ASICs you think that’s better? It’s not. Proof: the current PC gaming market. Consumers can still buy ASICs. BTC is useful just like any store of value that can be used as currency is useful. How’s gold looking to you? The charts show it was sideways for 20 years until the bull run of the past couple years and now it’s likely to crash back to the average and continue going sideways. It’s a pain to store. It needs climate control. Unless it’s pure gold (which most is not), it will tarnish. It takes up a lot of space. It’s heavy. When the price of gold surges (like this recent bull run), companies switch to other conductors instead of using gold for industrial or commercial uses. The reality is when it’s put in your phone or electronics it’s mixed with a dozen other metals to the point where it would be impossible to call it gold anymore or extract any value from it. The supply of gold is increasing. China just found the world’s biggest gold vein. We know we will be mining it off asteroids sooner than later. We can make gold in a lab but it’s currently inefficient and not worth the effort. How about the fact that if you trade gold as a stock, the exchange isn’t required to hold any physical gold? So the entire market for gold is just paper and vibes. BTC doesn’t have any of these problems. Your main issue is that you don’t like the value being assigned to it because you feel like you missed the boat. You will make up reasons to dislike it now that I’ve shown you that it’s a superior store of value. In the past, you’d be called a Luddite. On the internet, you get upvoted by your fellow Luddites so you all feel less bad for not realizing what I’ve just explained to you a decade ago when the price was more within reach. But it’s still early. You could just admit you were wrong and jump in now instead of convincing yourself you know best despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Shittyzed15

I wouldn’t say full decoupling yet though. BTC still reacts to liquidity cycles, but it is starting to behave more like a macro asset than a pure risk play. That shift takes time, not one event. Also agree on infrastructure — holding through this kind of volatility only makes sense if you’re set up properly. Personally, I’ve been leaning more toward platforms like CoinDepo where you can hold BTC with flexibility and not just leave it idle.

kawfeeman69

You'll be able to use your BTC for a wide variety of uses like collateral ...

Ethicles

They missed the opportunity for me. I use my chase card with better overall cash back rewards and then transfer rewards to Coinbase to purchase BTC.

VastPresence2412

The whole paper backed BTC crossed my mind, however, I can reap the benefits of BTC tax free during retirement but I also hold BTC as well.

Select_Aide_6548

Are you trying to sell it in person for cash? If not, just open an account on any exchange. Send them BTC, they'll wire/ACH you funds. If you want to be KYC free, find someone (like me) trying to buy with cash.

RectalSpawn

There's no reason it couldn't be done again. What was *so good* about the distribution of Bitcoin? It's people with money buying it all up. A new one would be no different. The way that mining is designed can be changed to be more resistant to the current BTC mining rigs. You have a lack of imagination.

ThreeTonChonker

1. Low transaction and long time to settle are assuming that BTC is being used for millions of transactions daily like a credit card. If it’s used like a store of value, then it’s no problem. Either way it’s a a question of whether the scaling is needed. Right now if BTC addresses this problem, it would be addressing it as a theoretical problem, not an actual one. IMO the bigger question is how you even get the masses to use BTC as a currency and getting tax laws to play along. 2. Power consumption has always been the lamest FUD. Eventually the human race will be constructing Dyson spheres around the sun to fuel space travel. Right now BTC is a blip on the power consumption radar, especially compared to AI data centers. The real problem here is that the cost of upgrading electrical grids is being put upon taxpayers instead of the companies causing the increased demand. This is because states ultimately want the business and income from whatever company needs the increased power supply. They know if they say, “fine we will upgrade our infrastructure if you pay for it” then there’s going to be another state that was planning to upgrade anyway and wouldn’t charge any extra.

Oompa_Lipa

I hold a Bitcoin etf ($BTCC) in my TFSA, and I hold actual $BTC in my crypto account. The TFSA shields me from tax issues or capital gains

Gehrman_JoinsTheHunt

I did, too. At that time, Ledger was the gold standard recommended by everyone here for safety and security. Now they've lost that reputation. After a few cycles like that I realized that even with a hardware wallet, I could never truly rest easy and trust that my BTC was safe for long-term storage.

Competitive_Use320

I mean if you are sending BTC set me up for long term success.

Gehrman_JoinsTheHunt

I did, for a decade. For me the cons of hardware wallets and crypto exchanges began to outweigh the pros. Holding FBTC in my brokerage makes it so much easier to designate beneficiaries and include in a will. I still have not seen a reliable method to bequeath bitcoin to multiple descendants without the risk of a single trusted party taking the entire stash. Crypto security is also an ever-changing field, and I grew tired of following it. Every 2-3 years the previous recommendations become obsolete, and there is a new "best" hardware wallet and method to securely transfer BTC. Once my holdings became a significant part of my net worth, the risk of a loss or single typo upon transfer became too stressful. I understand those factors don't apply to everyone. But they do for me and atleast a few others. There are legitimate reasons to hold the ETFs instead.

na3than

I'll trade you my Reddit account for 1 BTC.

goyslop911

Just buy BTC.

mustafa_khalifa

You are right that BTC supply is limited. But the number blockchains is not. U can generate100 sh\*tcoins that all have very limited supply. But this coins will not win BTC. I think that the only thing that BTC has over other coins is the adaption. Very strong people hold tons of BTC and they will push it.

VastPresence2412

What stops the government from pressing the $1+ button when everything goes digital. If they can do it now by printing more dollars and making the dollar weaker, they can do it even cheaper and easier with USD stable coins. Then what? We all use magic coins that never has a market cap because the government says so? While BTC is also digital money and relies on people wanting to use it, the immense amount of power being used to mine blocks and verify transactions also reinforces a form of extrinsic value foundation. Therefore, if USD goes to stable coin, it now would not have to be printed by the US, costing less to make and retaining even less value to it.

stoplossftw

if MSTR goes bust, that's a positive for BTC in the long run

arveena

People cant do it again though thats the point to recreate the distribution of BTC is impossible after the first one. Even with saylor buying so much its still way more decentralized than any other project. And that's the reason why its worth so much.

Mr_Deep_Research

On Jan 3, 2020 the SP500 (SPX) closed at 3,234.85. Today is closed at 6,581.00 That chart shows a -7% return for SPX. I'm guessing they picked a random end date where the SPX had a negative return and BTC had a positive one because that table is complete garbage.

UnrealizedLosses

I did it because without the potential of BTC gains I’m not retiring anyway.

F4NT4SYF00TB4LLF4N

BTC is about -45% from its peak. When it comes down, it goes back up. When BTC goes up, MSTR goes up more.

VastPresence2412

When I am nearing retirement (as I am no where near that) if it’s not BTC that’s being used or at least more widely adopted, then it’s certainly not going to be USD.

VastPresence2412

I’ve been 100% for quite a few months now (definitely doesn’t look good because I bought a lot in the $100k+ area) but I have a lot of time. I am very convicted in BTC and its philosophy but I do worry about diversification. That being said, everything priced by the dollar loses value anyways so that’s what keeps me away from stocks.

TheGreyAlien

2033 the $1M BTC will happen, that's my goal

Hfksnfgitndskfjridnf

They bought 1,000 BTC and increased BTC per share by 0.0011%. This did absolutely nothing for common stock shareholders, it just made MSTR bigger and made future yield harder to get.

defeater33

Keep it simple ETH and BTC. 20$ in one other coin. Big portfolio equals big losses.

Hfksnfgitndskfjridnf

Collapse or restructuring of MSTR is inevitable. The only question at this point is how long does it continue and how much more capital do they absorb beforehand. Saylor has set himself up for failure. He has pitched his company as producing value through “BTC yield”. Except the math is pretty simple, the more Bitcoin he buys, the harder it is to get additional yield. The more preferred stock he issues, the harder it is to maintain a positive yield. Finally the more overall Bitcoin he owns the more likely the shares are to trade at a discount rather than a premium. All three factors work against MSTR and all can only get worse as time goes on. The first one is pretty obvious, the more Bitcoin they own, the harder it is to get yield because you’re operating off a bigger base. MSTR first started reporting “BTC yield” when they had 226,500 BTC toward the end of 2024. In Q4 2024 they bought 194,180 BTC and generated a “BTC yield” of 48%. In all of 2025 they bought 226,102 BTC, yet only generated a BTC yield of 22.8%. So they bought more BTC but only got half the yield. So far in 2026 they’ve bought 89,599 BTC but their yield has shrunk to 3.4%. If they keep up this pace they’ll buy about 50% more BTC than they did last year but only get about half the BTC yield. And 2027 will be even worse. The second factor is also pretty obvious, the more dividend obligations they take on, the harder it will be to maintain positive yield. At the end of 2024 they have essentially zero interest or dividend obligations, it was only 39 million in total per year. Since launching the preferreds, however, that number has ballooned, they now owe 1.08 Billion in interest and dividend payments per year. Considering MSTR has raised 7 Billion in capital this quarter, dividend obligations represent 3.7% of the capital raised. The more preferreds they issue, the higher that percentage will become. They’ve basically started on a treadmill of doom. The more preferreds they issue, the more capital they must raise every quarter just to maintain the status quo. The market does not have an infinite capacity to supply more and more capital to one enterprise. Finally, the more Bitcoin MSTR owns, the more likely the shares will trade at a discount to the Bitcoin holdings compared to a premium. If investors of MSTR want to reduce their exposure to Bitcoin, all they can do is sell their MSTR shares. MSTR doesn’t then go and sell the Bitcoin, it keeps it. This means that over time, the larger the Bitcoin holdings get, the more likely you are to have shareholders that no longer want exposure to Bitcoin, and the shares will start to trade at a discount because that sell pressure only flows towards the shares and not Bitcoin itself. Trading at a discount will create major problems for MSTR because it impacts their BTC yield significantly. Buying BTC through common stock sales will no longer be accretive but instead will be dilutive. Also selling common stock to pay preferred dividends will reduce yield even more than it would have. Once shares trade at a discount MSTR can only get BTC yield through issuing more preferred stock or by selling Bitcoin to buyback shares. The issue with selling Bitcoin to buyback shares is that it shrinks the company and makes them more prone to bankruptcy. The only reason they can issue preferred stock in the first place is because they are taking the proceeds and investing in Bitcoin with it, hoping the gains in Bitcoin will outpace the dividends. If they start to sell the Bitcoin to buyback shares, well then what’s the asset that’s paying for the preferred dividends? It’s not there anymore. So selling Bitcoin to buyback stock when it’s trading at a discount isn’t really an option. Which means the only way to produce yield is to issue more preferreds. But that ultimately ends up with the same problem. The market will eventually stop buying enough new issued preferreds that covering the dividend will be impossible. So they either have to sell shares trading at a discount or sell the Bitcoin itself. Either way, that’s the end of the BTC yield story, and which point why would anyone buy the shares unless they are getting a steep discount? The company won’t be generating any value and there will be huge costs to carry. Anyone could just buy BTC themselves and avoid those costs…. So that’s exactly what they’ll do. And as more people do that, MSTR will trade at a bigger discount and the preferred dividends will eat further and further into the solvency of MSTR until it collapses or restructures. There really isn’t any other alternative. The only question is how long it takes and how big MSTR gets before it happens.

mjamonks

Nope, that's folks like you going off about how countries will need to compete for BTC.

CryptoOnTheSidewalk

Which setups are you looking at, actual on-chain stuff or wrapped BTC on other chains? Right now it still feels early, most of the “Bitcoin DeFi” relies on bridges or layers that add extra trust assumptions, so it’s not quite the same as holding BTC in your own wallet. There’s interesting progress, but I’d treat it as experimental rather than something battle-tested. If you’re curious, try a small amount first just to understand the flow and risks. Biggest caveat is bridge risk, that’s usually where things break when they do.

Backrus

Learn what VaR shock is. BTC has been down only for months while everything else was flat or making ATH. It isn't dropping as much now because most have already sold it. So people now are selling things that actually had massive runs since April 2025 low. BTC didn't have one. It's still the worst-performing asset in the world on an absolute and risk-adjusted basis since IBIT options launched.

Intelligent-Shape888

all that matters is that BTC is clearly not the safe haven or store or value it has been touted as being. imho no different than any random quantum computing stock or other speculative play in the last several months that sold off after the bubble burst and will continue to sell off anytime the market goes risk off

Ge_Yo

Right. Making BTC productive while keeping it non-custodial is exactly the kind of evolution that could unlock real value for everyone. Some protocols are already doing this, showing the potential is real.

mjamonks

Nope, that is you. You just can't accept that there is no need for any country to have a reserve of BTC.

Archer_solace

Yes. It’s actually a huge development for BTC. If it holds and we get back to upward movement that’s a mind blowing thing to have happen.

EarningsPal

Need to see BTC up 100% to then believe it is outperforming. 12% can be a single day drop in crypto.

wancruz

Still early, but it’s definitely picking up. Projects like Babylon are making BTC productive through staking without giving up custody. This could be a big unlock for BTCFi, especially once their TBVs officially launch.

HemiSync

Stop trading and just DCA and HODL for at least 5 years. Their advice was sound, make your daily purchase, then go outside and touch some grass or smoke some. 😂 Watching BTC prices can just drive you crazy. Same thing with IRAs and 401Ks.