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SybilVimes77

Also consolidating all the BTC into a few hands could make it essentially worthless. If only a few people hold the bulk, and wasn’t actively trying to get rid of it, its value would bottom out. So not a very wise move.

MrKillerKiller_

Next time BTC rockets off huge in a short time frame and goes sideways for an extended period of time, there may be BTC profits flowing into alts. Depending how long BTC goes sideways for, whether it is a risk on condition in markets, and if theres enough hype, those will determine likelihood of any of the BTC profits working their way jnto small caps and micro caps. They are like round 4 so it will require a substantial amount of time to trickle down that far. If it does, thats where those 100x gains pop. Many many things must fall into place and we are raising rates right after the very 1st leg down starting the beginning of the bear market cycle.

tadsagtasgde

If it makes you feel better right now BTC is worth approx 21 ounces of gold. Or a died F150. Or a down payment on a house. You have to measure value against something. That’s what value means.

n0m0rem0ney

No you just don’t get it, one say you can sell a bag of flour for .15 BTC and the next day you can sell it for 2.1 BTC it’s stable and safe

miner_guy_22

Start with a phone wallet and a small amount of BTC to play around with. Taking small steps will make it feel less overwhelming and you will learn more in the process. You don't need to have a perfect setup and move your whole stack at once.

VivaHollanda

Now exchange 10k BTC for fiat, will take you longer. So what's your point?

No-Masterpiece2246

Do you mean the smart contracts that get hacked about once per week? I'll pass. You absolutely do NOT have full custody when you put your ETH into one of these contracts. You're trusting the contract to allow you to get your coins back at a future date. And history has shown time and time again that this isn't a guarantee. I won't rule out that they could work reliably in the future, but we are nowhere near that point yet. >**if** mining all happens in a few countries over time Got it, you're worried about a hypothetical future. POW miners quite naturally know everything there is to know about energy costs, jurisdictions, crypto regulations, etc. and they choose the optimal region. That doesn't create any centralization risk at all. USA has become a popular place for miners. Energy could be purchase in Kazakhstan for pennies of what they're paying in USA, so clearly this is not about energy cost. It's more likely that they're taking investment from Wall Street and prefer to not have their hardware stolen by some corrupt government. This could very well change with an incoming crypto-hostile government in 2028. Then the miners will move just like they did when China banned mining or when the hydro dam in Ethiopia went dry. Naturally PoW mining happens all over the world, since different places have different needs for crypto. El Salvador and Bhutan are building sovereign stashes of BTC, Russia is trading oil on the black market, Iran is sidestepping sanctions, China is avoiding tariffs, etc. That's hardly centralization. You completely missed my point about buying coins vs mining them. Yes mining gives you influence over consensus, but buying a PoW coin does NOT. Buying ETH however DOES give you influence over consensus, which is precisely why PoS is dangerous. And running ETH nodes is far more expensive than BTC node plus an ASIC.

DarrelXero

Here, let me AI that for you: HOW TO BUY A LARGE SUM OF BITCOIN VIA OTC 1. DESK SELECTION - Bitcoin-Native: Swan Private, River, Unchained (direct cold storage/multisig delivery). - Exchange Desks: Coinbase Prime, Kraken OTC, Gemini eOTC (high liquidity, account reps). - Principal Trading Firms: Cumberland (DRW), Wintermute (large institutional blocks, $250k–$1M+). 2. ONBOARDING & COMPLIANCE - Submit KYC/AML documentation: Personal ID or entity formation documents (LLC/Trust). - Provide proof of funds and source-of-wealth documentation. - Link verified settlement bank account. - Pre-whitelist cold storage destination Bitcoin address. 3. FUNDING & SETUP - Set up secure trading channel (Signal, Telegram, Bloomberg chat, or desk portal). - Pre-fund fiat USD via wire transfer or establish Delivery-versus-Payment (DvP) terms. 4. RFQ & EXECUTION - Request a Quote (RFQ) specifying volume (e.g., "$2M USD" or "50 BTC"). - Review executable all-in flat price quote (inclusive of desk spread/fees). - Accept quote within window (usually 10–60 seconds) to lock price and bind trade. 5. SETTLEMENT & CUSTODY - Direct delivery to self-custodial Bitcoin address (hardware wallet or multisig quorum). - Complete out-of-band address verification (phone/video check of first/last 6 characters). - Desk broadcasts transaction; settlement finalized upon 1–3 block confirmations. - Archive transaction hash (TXID) and trade confirmation for accounting and tax records.

Suprem3NE

Stupid premise. They couldn’t own 99% of BTC. They would just create massive upward price pressure. If only 1% was owned by citizens (about 250k coins) BTC would be all but dead because it means people don’t use it or want it.

SeaMicSte

Sure, but can we stop pretending that with the amount of institutional investing in BTC, that it’s still the decentralized, fiat-resistant currency that it was maybe made to be? It’s kind of just a more secure, supply-limited wrapper for fiat now

ChiBTCollective

At about 0.01 BTC the fee to move it to a cold wallet is small relative to the coins, but the complexity is the real cost. You do not have to build a wallet from scratch. A normal hardware wallet from the maker is an offline device that only signs transactions, and it does not hold the private keys on the internet. Keep the seed on paper, unplugged except when you send, and check the receive address on the device screen. If you are not comfortable with that yet, leaving a small amount on a reputable exchange is reasonable while you learn, then move it once you can actually read the seed backup. The risk with an exchange is that you do not control the keys. The risk with self-custody is that you misplace the seed or a passphrase. You only get to pick which of those you would rather manage.

crimeo

Thanks to smart contracts, there are pools you can join for micro staking any amount you want, where you retain full custody and they can't rug pull you or puppet you. The algebra is only referring to the fact that the "number go up" from staking is completely canceled out by inflation, which isn't what you're even asking here. But yes I can walk through it step by step if you want. I'm not yet because it seems like your actual answer was about entrance costs, which are effectively zero because of contract pools. > WHERE coins are mined is irrelevant, who cares about oil and gas? Of course it's relevant, if mining all happens in a few countries over time (it will get worse and worse with slimmer profit margins from halvings), then that's centralizing all the miners in a few spots. The leaders of those countries can pass laws and control all of bitcoin effectively at that point. > The criminal and legal jurisdiction is far more important Jurisdictions are divided by geographical regions dude. > Finally: supply concentration happens from billionaires BUYING it up. That's equally true/equally a vulnerability of any coin at all, so is irrelevant to comparing different coins, which is the point of the thread. > whereas owning a lot of POW coin The exact analogous equivalent in BTC is owning **ASICs**, not coins. ASICs work essentially identically to staked coins for all these purposes, except that 1) they pollute vastly more for no benefit, and 2) Due to the geographic non-uniformity of electricity prices, they have a big extra centralizing force explained above.

HelloYatta

I officially have 1 BTC 😎😎 https://preview.redd.it/cg9tgpgikvth1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6def17453299492864d91e552d29c141be407d70

L4gsp1k3

I honestly don't think you want BTC to become the next monetary system. You just want numbers to go up for lambo.

Nuel17_

Because USD is the global reserve currency? Measuring against it makes it easier to understand the scale. Any currency can be paired to BTC

Fraisey

Big money went into AI stocks, preventing that money from coming to crypto. It's bullish AF that the bear market is/was as shallow as it was. While there wasn't enough buy pressure to send us to the moon, there was also very little sell pressure. There's big potential for those AI profits now to be diverted into crypto. There's a lot of talk about agentic AI needing online assets to trade, assets exactly like BTC. Combine that with the debasement of USD and we have the set up for a massive bull run. 

boose36

Big moment here for BTC/crypto. Either we break above this range or it could get ugly

CallingFrom127001

Miners will be trying to mine the last half of a BTC and people will still be posting “we are still early!”

cmptrblu

How can I earn myself 0.1 BTC? New to crypto but obviously recognize Bitcoins value Wish I bought some after watching that 2014 movie Dope 😭

PuttForDough

The world isn’t priced in BTC as (1) its still early and (2) it will always be relative to currencies since that’s what economies are priced in. The point is that it will grow relative to the currencies as it’s not the one being debased. Currencies are the intermediary in the marketplace. It allows unlike items to be traded via a common medium. I don’t think you’ll ever see things priced in BTC because it would require the entire world economy to be based on it, which isn’t going to happen because under Gresham’s law you’d be foolish to spend the hardest money available as it’s highest and best use is to be the ultimate store of value. Like we don’t walk around and pay for things with gold or silver anymore because paper currencies became the intermediary and gold and silver were used as stores of value. Prices will always be valued in the intermediary, and there isn’t a valid argument for BTC being the intermediary as it’s much more valuable than that use. I saw all of that while knowing it’s vitally important that it CAN be used that way, but ultimately it SHOULDN’T be used that way. It’s just not logical.

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SatisfactionFinal287

It's offering BTC ETFs to its clients as we speak so yeah it does

Foya96

You cannot get a mortgage from BTC

L4gsp1k3

This is weird, if BTC Is about against the system. Why do we keep looking at the BTC measured in USD to determine the value.

Lavayo

The value proposition of BTC does not disappear when it's not used as daily payment. Technically BTC is the same when no one uses it, as long as one node runs. Of course the amount of wallets and humans holding it should increase, but they do.

WinSubstantial2461

I was sold on BTC end of Feb this year. So my entire introduction was during “the worst sentiment in BTC history” I put $1000 in and turned on a daily DCA. The bear market isn’t so bad when you’ve never tasted a bull market

SolTrust_13

Crypto markets are interesting right now. It feels like macro conditions and liquidity are still driving a lot of the price action, while fundamentals take a back seat. Curious to see whether BTC can regain momentum from here.

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EstimateIll4262

Never happen. Since we are talking about Thailand. The hoops you need to pay an annual sub to TF with BTC. Is all i needed to experience. To know it will never be mainstream payment. As a tourist in Thailand. Use cash or CC. If you live here use those and Prompt Pay. Btc doesnt even register on ways to pay

jguest1105

At 0.01 BTC, I'd self-custody. Here's why: the question isn't really about the amount. An exchange can freeze, get hacked, or go bankrupt with your 0.01 just as easily as with someone's 10. The risk doesn't scale down with the stack. Don't get me wrong — self-custody has its own risks, and you're smart to respect the learning curve. But recent years have put to rest any serious argument that leaving Bitcoin on an exchange is the safer option. One thing I'd push back on: building your own offline wallet from scratch because you don't trust wallet companies. I get the instinct, but a DIY setup has far more ways to go wrong than a well-reviewed hardware wallet from an established company. The company isn't the risk you're worried about — your own mistakes are. Start with the boring, proven path. You can always get fancier later once you understand what you're doing.

zooka19

Throw Trump into the mix, was screaming on a microphone that BTC is a scam not that long ago.

ZinaHill

Yeah, making the debt worth less sounds great until you remember our savings and paychecks get worth less too. Kinda makes the case for BTC without even trying lol

B1TB0TB33PB00P

What does this mean? Converting BTC to dollars is easy and quick. And yes, you can buy a house with those funds if you choose.

fan_of_hakiksexydays

I mean MSTR is still down 70%. Sure it bounced back a bit from its crash and people who bought the bottom made some good gains. Long terms holders, not so much. Strategy still revealed its cracks in its foundation. MSTR fanboys always said that Saylor would never sell and STRC can peg back easily, and people were just FUDing. But the FUD proved to be true, STRC quickly lost its peg and still hasn't fully pegged back, Saylor had to break his promise and sell BTC and dillute shares of Strategy to keep the boat afloat. His solution for his sinking ship was to basically flood the other compartments and let them sink evenly, to get the ship upright again. But just because a ship is no longer listing doesn't mean it's not still full of water. The bond buyback rally and liquidation rally came just in time to get some of that water out. But is it gonna be enough?

LowSecurity8115

We use the most powerful virus scanners to make sure your BTC is safe. You can rest assured, comrade! Uh, I mean, fellow American!

Nick_BitOK

Yeah, that story sounds off. If he really bought the BTC, he should be able to show the deposit, the trade, and the current balance. Holding fees for spot BTC doesn’t really add up.

Nick_BitOK

The transaction itself obviously can't be reversed, but the useful thing now is to preserve the TXID, receiving address and any evidence around the malware, then monitor where the BTC moves next. If the funds eventually reach a known custodial exchange, that can create an intervention point. Usually only if law enforcement and the exchange are contacted quickly enough.

soggylittleshrimp

Can I send you my BTC so you can scan it for viruses? Then send it back please.

CryptographerBig4507

BTC 100k this year, is that a fair target?

Floezpoez

I don't think you owe taxes on BTC on a cold wallet. Only when hodling on exchange. You will only have to pay taxes after realizing the gains and send it to a CEX to your local bank account I think.

Cedarapids

$189 ticket today was $189 in BTC 18 months ago but now is $250 in BTC.

seruco

Back in the day, I wrote a small python script to generate a private key for a Bitcoin address, then send my BTC there, and encrypted it with gpg. I don’t recommend you doing this, but this felt like the ultimate safety, since I didn’t rely on any 3rd party hardware, software or platform. I’d go self custody wallet now. Better to learn with 0.01 than with 1 BTC.

KyleBr7

Always self- custody, being able to do that is one of the advantages you are given by BTC. Many exchanges burst several years ago and people lost money. Also- remember this- keep track of your seed phrase, don't take pictures of it or store it anywhere digitally, and don't share it with anyone. The seed phrase is the most important thing when you self custody.

No-Masterpiece2246

OK I learned high school algebra so maybe I can debate someone of your high intellect. But I don't see any actual math in your comments? Maybe you can use your magic algebra to explain to me how much it costs to run an ETH validator node versus running a Bitcoin node and an ASIC miner? Hint: ETH validator is 1000x the BTC miner/node. WHERE coins are mined is irrelevant, who cares about oil and gas? The criminal and legal jurisdiction is far more important, as miners will always seek to avoid theft and government confiscation. Finally: supply concentration happens from billionaires BUYING it up. Mining and staking aren't the paths to massive acquisitions, they're the methods for being involved in enforcing consensus on the networks. Mining and staking are long plays while buying and selling are more short term.

No-Masterpiece2246

So, use a pool! duh You're staking with a trusted 3rd party anyway. Running an ETH validator is 100x harder than running a BTC or BCH node.

No-Masterpiece2246

Disagree. First off, somebody who wants to control a large swath of any coin's supply can just BUY IT. So the huge ETH stakers are hedge funds like Tom Lee's Fundstrat. Tom controls a LOT of validators and thus can be coerced into not allowing ETH transactions from a blacklist. This wouldn't kill the ETH blockchain but would cause problems. Witness the 2 week waiting line to unstake from Metamask. BTC supply is of course controlled by corporations like MSTR as well. But anyone can still mine a small amount using one of 7 big public pools. Certainly not ideal but they're making a contribution to the network's decentralized consensus, A small miner is surely much easier to build than a small ETH validator, Last I checked you're getting into the millions to setup an ETH validator.

bootmeng

Is now a good time to buy BTC?

Top-Disk2556

I get why you’re worried, especially after buying a house. But you wouldn’t pay 36% of your Bitcoin’s total value. The 36% applies to the calculated Box 3 return, after the tax-free allowance. Selling BTC or moving it to cash usually doesn’t remove the tax, and a Bitcoin ETF is generally still taxed in Box 3. I’d keep enough euros aside for your mortgage, emergencies, and possible tax bill, then only hodl an amount you could comfortably hold through a major crash

ZealousidealTap9756

I started DCAing BTC last September 2025. Bought some during 121k but now my portfolio is green

videokillradiostarr

That will only ever be attempted once it's common sense that Bitcoin is the default savings mechanism. At that point, the individual person needs to refuse to work for any currency except BTC. Once these institutional investors begin to think about cleaning their own homes, fixing their own cars, or doing their own taxes, that's when 2nd wave of distribution begins.

mrjune2040

He’ll ‘make money’ in year 3, but the problem with this approach is that he’ll miss out on the opportunity to deploy that capital to simply buying BTC at what will most likely be a lower cost (today) than the average cost of mining it through that 27 month period.

TheresNoSecondBest

>BTC centralization Mate, **your solution brings centralization and eventually a capture of Bitcoin**.

mrjune2040

It will take a minimum of 27 months (that’s the ‘kind’ calculation tbh) to pay off your capital costs (8.7k), assuming rising difficulty which roughly doubles over a two-year period, and not including any downtime hours and repair costs, so let’s assume 29 months at the minimum. So it’s going to be a long time before you’re in profit, and when you do get there that profit line will descend every month from then onwards. The price you bought them at is ok, but simply buying BTC would probably have been a most efficient use of time and money as it is with solo mining 95% of the time.

substandard2

Would be better off buying BTC but this sounds like a hobby to me. So enjoy that you are generating income with your hobby.

Severe-Weekend-6664

the criteria are solid but "market sentiment & narrative" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here, that factor alone can move a coin two tiers in a cycle. curious what made you bump ETH to B+ after the fact, was it a tokenomics thing or just the BTC pair chart looking less rough.

GreenStretch

Governments will collect the BTC through excise taxes, sales taxes, VATs, tariffs, fines, anywhere they can establish choke points in the physical world.

GreenStretch

Or individuals will put their BTC into institutional custody to make sure their families can get it.

Reach_Beyond

Short term, whether you’re trading BTC, Apple, Nvidia, Walmart, or some shotcoin, you can be right but also lose money. Think some macro event or announcement could happen in your favor, well markers can stay dumb longer than you think. Only play the long term. BTC goes up because people have been fleeing fiat money for decades and it’s getting increasingly bad.

saminosamino

imagine 55 year BTC hodl

sleepwelltonite

Surely BTC holders are not motivated by the latter!

b1mm3rl1f3

Bears get $30k BTC tomorrow! Wow! so smart. Very big brain 😩

crimeo

ETH right this minute has half the price of BTC

cubeeless

BTC to $400k!

yell0w8

people probably bought the top of BTC like four times last weeks and are now angry

ATP_generator

I frame investment decisions based on investment portfolio % i.e. I'm comfortable with 5-10% BTC exposure

Accomplished-Eye5567

At least he didn’t sell the bottom of BTC

Gears6

Then do a comparison of BTC one year ago and today! These types of comparison is ridiculous.

Leading_Wafer9552

I think the trend will continue...or BTC has bottomed earlier this cycle than all the other cycles

AnywhereSavings1710

Many things wrong with this post. There are valid imperfections with BTC. To write off anything that's at any point in time been mentioned by a group you overall don't agree with, is vastly unproductive. Don't you realize that the reason the knots campaign had any success at all is because it played on real grievances? real issues? Their solution and execution were not good and proper, again why I no longer support it. But to write off any ideas of BTC centralization because it was said by someone you disagree with is just playing politics. See further than the political cultish game you're so indoctrinated into. I came into this sub with this post to generate honest innovative discussion and its mostly just been salty folks attacking anything I've said. While I've maintained a neutral stance here. Anyways. As long as this attitude prevails, there will one day be a massive issue for Bitcoin. As I've aggresively learned about BTC over the last couple of years, I've seen how it was in the early days. You can go back and review the forum posts. They're still there. Technical discussions, philosophical discussions, honest discourse, all with good intent to make a sound product. Apparently those days are over. And if so, this crowd is just as cooked as the Knots crowd. It seems you're no better than the ones you despise.

WamBamTimTam

So where do we count Sats in all this? We Stack Sats, that’s the unit of measure for your average holder, because most don’t even have a single BTC

EarningsPal

If you send it all to another address today and then do absolutely nothing until the day you need it, how exactly do you get taxed on BTC in a hardware wallet? If someone sends BTC to a hardware wallet address for their kids, then gives that seed phrase to their adult child that knows how to manage crypto assets very well, because you taught them, then how does a government in the future tax that?

Ark3tech

Ok well I personally don't beleive in a scenario where essentially all the BTC is owned buy just institutions hoarding it. Also, that’s the part that doesn’t follow. Owning the supply doesn’t eliminate demand. Demand comes from anyone who wants BTC but doesn’t currently own it, including other institutions, companies, governments, funds, or individuals. If 99.99% is already held and not for sale, that means the available supply is tiny. If anyone still wants Bitcoin, they have to bid for that tiny amount. The price only collapses if nobody wants Bitcoin anymore, and that’s a completely separate assumption.

1lch3mi5t

U dont have 0.2 BTC

Foreign-Put1361

What price would BTC be at if that happened 🤔

tenor_tymir

I can recommend Bitbox02 BTC-only edition.

plumpyplummy

BTC bull run starts in 7-10 days from now. Don't fomo

hodler1992

False idols? I don't know I would love to have nearly that much BTC lol

Feriman22

True, but scarcity alone doesn't tell you where BTC goes next. My publicly available rule-based tracker focuses on market regime instead, which I find much more useful for shorter-term context.

WorkerPlayful4192

95% of BTC was mined in 17 November 2025.

Feriman22

I’d watch BTC more than SOL itself here. My publicly available rule-based system only tracks BTC/ETH/BNB, but regime usually matters more than guessing one exact SOL level.

Few_Student2635

lol what in the heck is going on. Equities and bonds going crazy. Inflation still sticky. I agree, own more BTC! Feels like the right hedge!

net4iks_Touch2821

Let's be honest, we'd go back to 2009, buy 10,000 BTC and sell it all at $10 in 2011 feeling like geniuses

Short-Shopping3197

It’s a graph of BTC value over time with a rainbow over it. It’s completely meaningless and has zero predictive value.

Lavayo

From 2013? Now if you had 32 BTC from today, but back then it was worth nothing.

Feriman22

I’m more curious to see whether this actually turns into a regime shift than whether $87k simply breaks. I’ve been tracking BTC with my own rule-based regime system, so transitions like this are the interesting part for me. Price targets are easy to make; seeing whether the underlying market state actually changes is more useful.

Docthndr

So what happens when the miners all turnoff for BTC? Electricity is getting expensive and it’s getting more lucrative to data mine for AI(SI).

Stephan2241

Just open a company and place the BTC inside. It will avoid the tax unrealized gains and it has more advantages. Like, you can invest it "agio", enabling you to withdraw it in the future without taxes (the amount you invested) and setup your childeren (if any) to be part of the company to avoid taxes when you die.

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I think it's horse shit to just flat out said it's not or is a bad store of value, it completely depends on how how plan to use it If you plan to store this value for 5/6 years before considering to use it, then BTC is not volatile, it would of always gained value. If you may need to use it within a year or two it's probably bad yea

maternoeslovo

as adoption is making more and more progress such OG values as decentralisation in no way translate to value anymore. I mean everyone was praying for BTC ETF lol. It's a joke.

Vetrol_

I saw the opportunity to short, which is in profit and it's high probability BTC goes down to $83-$84k

Accomplished-Eye5567

Clearly not good since he has no BTC 🤣

Confident_Call_1260

Hope so. BTC can turn fast in either direction so I would rather see how the day develops than try to call it early. Anyone trading with leverage needs to keep size under control too, whether it is on Moon or anywhere else. Staying in the game matters more than getting one move right.

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matthegc

Who lets you borrow against your BTC?

Pennies2millions

I mean, the man did pull off one of the best trades in history with his 0 cost collar. That one trade garnered enough respect for him for me personally that I don't care that he sold BTC. He also bought it for about $5,500 a coin and sold it at over $70,000 a coin. He still made more than a 1,100% profit. That's a pretty far cry from "Worst investor of all time."

Realistic-Ad1498

It has to be measured against something. The reason people buy BTC is because they think it will go up relative to USD. Universally almost everyone measures BTC against USD.

TenderLA

I had no problem selling my BTC for dollars to buy a house.

Get_after_it_puss

Ive been investing in BTC for quite some time and believe in its wealth creation like most, but to say you'll always win in the long run is wrong. No one knows.

NashDaypring1987

Wait until you try to convert BTC back into dollars so can buy a house 😂