BTC

Ge_Yo

True. Nobody has a crystal ball. Hold, don’t overtrade. If you’re curious about earning while holding, explore native BTC staking built around self custody, not IOUs.

KCConnor

You're worrying too much. Your own wallet will tell you the date you acquired the BTC. Go back on a site like TradingView and find the daily close for BTC on that date. Use that as your acquisition price. The difference between your acquisition price and your sell price is your profit. No one is going to give you grief over attempting to be honest with your capital gains taxes on Bitcoin.

Nice-Can-1581

Don't ducking listen to advices like that. To show how great of an idea it is to borrow against BTC long term is current price. When bigger players loan against BTC they have specific short term plan for that funds and have enough cash to react to margin calls. YOU CAN LOSE ALL YOUR BTC, lot of ppl did on that drawdown. If you decide to do it, do it against max 10% of your tokens, and have a plan and funds ready to cover up margin call in case of bigger price drop. If you want to sell, soon you will be able to on the relief rally to 80k, maybe 85300. Don't sell all tokens tho, keep at least few.

KateR_H0l1day

Because it doesn’t fit in with his “argument” same as BTC is not MSTR, so by his definition, you shouldn’t bring that into the discussion either! As I said before, it’s a pathetic feeble attempt to stop people answering the question, which was who & why is anyone buying MSTR.

marginalpork

Give me your BTC. I'll avoid any taxes and give back to you.

biba8163

- BTC is up ⬆️ +46% since its first ETF launched on January 2024 - ETH is down 🔻-42% since its first ETF launch in July 2024 - XRP is down 🔻-42% since its first ETF launch in November 2025 - LINK is down 🔻-30% since its first ETF launch in December 2025 - HBAR is down 🔻-52% since its first ETF launch in October 2025 - SOL is down 🔻-58% since its first ETF launch in October 2025 - LTC is down 🔻-52% since its first ETF launch in October 2025

JustifiablePA

don't be such a clown, yourself. this isn't an all-or-nothing solution. OP claims to have $1M worth of BTC, post a quarter of that as collateral, get access to $125k. Strike Lending is the best outlet for this rn. Being responsible with leverage is critical.

vattenj

I'm a large OTC dealer since 2013, I can see that 1 out of 50 people come to me to buy ETH, rest of them only buy BTC, despite of its long and unstable confirmation time, why? This is either bad marketing by Ethereum Foundation or average Joe really does not have a good reason to acquire ETH, it is only well known for crypto insiders BTC block reward cut by half every 4 years, but if they are willing to increase the block size, the fee income double every 4 years, in a few halving cycles fee income will be higher than block reward, this is envisioned by Satoshi

Decentralization-God

It is naive to expect prices should go significantly up due ETF approvals and stay high(er). It can spark interest around the approval (typical fake pump trap) but that is it. The reason is simple: crypto has no real use yet, so holding it and thus keeping price up has no sense. People invest in crypto to buy/sell, it is a volatility toy for all of us, not just Saylor, not just BTC. One day, real use will come … and 99% of all coins and projects will die as they wont be those offering anything besides today speculation.

Sad-Equivalent9293

A really smart play here could be to take a loan and use your BTC as collateral. You get USDC, USDT, fiat. Look for options that can allow you do that. You can scan defi lama to find options or check aggregators like Sats Terminal, I see they put together options. However, it will be great to talk to others in Canada as well and see how they’re navigating. Stay safe

superfutch

I do not know the details of your financial situation, but I would highly recommend holding on to half or a quarter or some portion of your BTC which you choose to have for future investments. I've personally seen younger people get a large inheritance or gift and they immediately increase their cost of living / lifestyle and regret it a few years later. I'm happy for you and this investment clearly paid off and you can spend your earnings however you see fit, but I would always just urge caution when liquidating a huge amount such as this. Congratulations

ReputationOutside321

Great points. Using BTC as collateral for a loan is essentially what the wealthy do too. OP should heed this advice.

Staxu9900

Sounds as the best option, in a situation OPs story close to be true, meaning he got BTC from whatever source.

Mulvita43

We know nothing. Months ago people were calling 200k BTC, not 65k. Anyone who thinks they know are making stuff up We have uncertainty with Iran, Trump as a whole(making vxus great again) and hopefully Aliens!!!

cubeeless

BTC to $400k!

_StatutoryCrepe_

DM me, I sell BTC and accept PayPal.

SnooTangerines3448

There's people who will take the BTC and give you a lower rate than it currently Is. This is risky and also illegal.

Bigshift-2034

Definitely a good starting point as long you can keep DCA all the way down and then up to 30% below BTC ATH. If you want to do one of buys then I would suggest to wait. So far it’s chopping sideways, only enter if you plan to play long game.

PirateSKB

Sadly you still can't use BTC on the dark web though. No one wants their name in the next epstein files or on the next major drug bust, or even the next carding operation sting lol BTC is far too transparent and despite being first mover, BTC is far more linked to traditional finance at this point than anything else, but also it'll probably have less returns compared to previous cycles due to its high marketcap at this point

bvandepol

That exchange has costed me 336BTC

Important-Minimum777

Move to a BTC friendly country and enjoy your life

JustifiablePA

if you want fiat, use your BTC as collateral for a loan. selling an asset is foolish, selling the best performing asset of the last 17 years is idiotic, selling at -45% from ATH means you don't understand what you own. reconsider your decision, find a solution where you can keep all of your BTC and hold your own keys. I suggest finding a local Bitcoin meetup, talk to other folks in your community and get advice for services they use, specific to your locality

GettingFasterDude

My 16-year-old daughter wanted some Bitcoin in her savings mix (alongside money market and S&P 500 funds), so we put it in **FBTC**. I like that Fidelity embraced Bitcoin about 10 years ahead of other TradFi players, and that they self-custody the coins, unlike BlackRock's IBIT which relies on Coinbase (whose customer treatment is terrible). I also hold some FBTC in my Fidelity 401(k) for the tax perks, though most of my BTC exposure is spot Bitcoin in cold storage. Fidelity was the first major TradFi firm to let people buy spot Bitcoin and actually withdraw it to their own custody. Most others insist on holding your keys. Long term, the more regular people hold Bitcoin in cold storage, the better it can serve as a real exit from the fiat system.

BobbysSmile

I honestly believe the only way this would happen is if BTC went to 0

norfbayboy

>Losing a key is very unlikely a loss. An estimated 3-4 million BTC (up to 20% of total supply) are permanently lost. We routinely hear about folks getting scammed and have for years. The whole hardware wallet industry is premised on this, is it not?

ozera202

The next leg down here we come . BTC should never even be at these prices for a “ Asset Class” that produces fuck all other than the hope to sell it to the next person at a higher price . If 2020 stimulus didn’t happen crypto would have been a niche market like NFTs and died with it when ppl realise it’s just pump and dumps with bullshit narratives that never see the day of light .

OccasionalXerophile

But looses 40k on BTC. Glad I'm not with your 'invesment bank'

FurlessSasquatch

It's not necessarily about who wins. He who owns any BTC if it goes up, is a winner. The illogical part is if those people are buying BTC for the sake of buying BTC they don't need to be buying MSTR. They can just buy BTC. Hypothetically BTC could continue upward it doesn't mean MSTR has to. MSTR value as a company would go up but the share price is a result of buyers and sellers not the price of BTC. Buyers would obviously be more enticed to buy as a result of BTC going up but again if that's your logic, just buy BTC forget Saylor and MSTR

Nefarious-Technology

I agree it’s disappointing but you have to think longer term. The get rich era of crypto is over (thank god) and now we’re entering the next phase. BTC performance was terrible this cycle as well and under performed its deminishing returns target. This was all that could be mustered from capital unlocks in ETFs and strategy pouring money in. The difference between BTC and ETH here is BTC needs the price to at minimum double every 4 years to maintain their security budget which is still completely dependent on inflation (issuance) to prop up the network with fees being <1% of the block reward. ETH doesn’t have this issue and has far higher economic security than bitcoin at its current prices. ETH could drop to ~$300 and still be have more economic security than BTC . Also what is seeming to happen is that in the event of a market crash more people take the opportunity to stake and network security goes up unlike proof of work where hashrate dips in market crashes and what does manage to stay online is being propped up with debt and other economic trickery to maintain operations. This isn’t sustainable long term and is the Achilles heel of Bitcoin and will become an issue long term. Hopefully it doesn’t take the whole crypto industry with it when BTC inevitably implodes.

volocom7

If logical people buy BTC . . . and Saylor also continues to buy BTC . . .wouldn’t BTC supply leave the market and raise the price? Wouldn’t that make the BTC Saylor more valuable? He wins in your logic. MSTR wins

GPThought

yeah theres way too much noise now. i just stick to BTC and ETH and ignore 99% of the new projects

Practice_Fast

BTC does actually have an end. Eventually the reward for mining will be so fractionally small that it is below the minimum quantity that the block chain can support. There is an actual date and time that the system will go offline (iirc it's 125 years). Ig people could keep running it but the incentive will go away.

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Corbiusk_

Congrats but you could have gotten more BTC if you would have waited. But you’ll be a millionaire by 2030 I think

uncapchad

Bitdeer liquidated its entire 943 BTC treasury reserve + all 189.8 BTC mined. Mining since 2021. Tsk tsk. This is *has to be* a bottom signal. xD

Best-Acanthaceae3876

I took this opportunity to sell ITM far dated CC. If BTC is above 50k by next June, I make 30% profit. Break even at BTC 40K. Loss only starts when BTC sub 40K.  In case BTC rallies to say 90 in the next year, I'll just sell CC on the shares I havent yet sold CC for, and lock in profits whilst earning 15%/yr yield as long as btc doesn't drop 50% again from that time on in the next year.  May as well try to make money off the price being low! 

Beeberz55

Or you never sell and take a loan against it and don’t pay taxes. To be safe it’s advisable to take a loan during the bear market after the drawdown to reduce the risk of liquidation. If you have correctly invested in BTC, meaning you invested money you don’t need, you should never sell.

Green_Ad9723

All in BTC

coax_k

As far as the payback process, yes that’s complete. Roughly about 15% of original holdings. Various options for how that gets to you, I chose to get it in coins (mostly, partial cash requirement from them as well) which helps because of the growth over that time. For anyone interested, there is recovery action by the DOJ in the US currently for the BTC-e creditors as well.

Blueberry_Dependent

We got BTC rap before BTC reaching 1mil

ardus666

You don't have any BTC lol.

Real-Technician831

And BTC doesn’t have anything to do with AI. There are some projects that claim to be AI, related but even those seem utterly useless.

RTBDouglas

Since Bitcoin was at $124K in October, over 150K net BTC have been bought. The drop is from highly leveraged short positions- not actual BTC being sold on a net basis.. So the leveraged short attack the past 4-5mo, now has BTC at around a 50% discount (or 100% upside) to the Supply/Demand derived value. Sovereign wealth & Whales will begin pouring money in here.. Squeeze is building. (Data from before 2024 is no longer relevant.. BTC Supply began permanently falling the start of 2024 (by around 500K BTC/year). The old halving cycles no longer apply, because the halving effect is so much less than the natural Supply decline due to net BTC buying. https://preview.redd.it/rm8qshpqe1lg1.jpeg?width=1320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cd049a745aa8735a8a49cda2d5ee5f7757ccc839

blvrg_net

Solid stack, 1.7 BTC is more than most people will ever own. That 2.1 BTC goal is gonna feel amazing when you hit it. Happy stacking.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

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CryptoOnTheSidewalk

If your goal is eventually moving BTC to your own wallet, that’s the first thing I’d double check. Some platforms make buying easy but add friction or limits when you try to withdraw. Self custody flexibility matters more than convenience in my opinion. Fees are usually higher on simple “buy now” apps compared to larger exchanges, and there can also be a spread baked into the price. It might look small at first but it adds up over time. Limitations are usually around withdrawal caps, account verification, and sometimes holding periods before you can transfer out. If you’re just experimenting with a small amount it can be fine, but if you’re planning to stack long term I’d compare total fees and withdrawal policies before committing.

Sterrss

Exactly. That's why I hold 0 BTC.

YouZealousideal7906

All airdrops, I just hodl BTC. Thanks for judging by my 0.00001% of portfolio regard\^2

Resident-Quality1513

Classic. If the value of anything (a stock as well as BTC) all the idiots that bought it because of a news article get bored and eventually cash in because it isn't doing anything. As a rule of thumb, the longer the price has been going sideways the more weak hands have cashed out and the remaining people are not going to exit at any price so, when it _does_ finally break out the break out is, more often than not, bigger than if the price has been going sideways for only a short time.

Available_Lobster923

So you have a house and you want to sell your house and BTC to buy another house ?

white-body-fluid

Does reddit account age and BTC holding have correlation ? How dumb are you really?

anymonero

Because there's more to cryptocurrency than memecoins (including BTC)?

Crivos

It’s ok to be a Bitcoin Maxi, what’s not ok is to shove it down everyone’s throats. Everyone buys BTC at the price that they deserve.

subcide

Peter got a ton of shit when he had to change the name Clawd Bot to Molt Bot quickly, scammers took over the old social handles and ripped people off via BTC for tens of millions of dollars. He's just fighting off scammers that are targeting the brand, it's nothing more than that.

Emergency_Scheme_670

If that happens, great opportunity to buy BTC lol. We need another black swan for BTC to hit $15k again

Sondzee

There was a lot of talk about the AI bubble, but BTC may be just as well a bubble, and both. Or... Idk really. Just the word bubble is too often used and abused. And can turn out to be a in a form of say, imploding bubble and that is rarely expected. Hear, say, speculation, hidden operation...

AlanArtemisa

I don't know, but I'd imagine you'd need to somehow prove you lost your keys (and if the BTC moves again they'll show up to get the money they owe). Two certainties in life: death and taxes..

tooheavybroo

I’ll never sell BTC / ETh

AlanArtemisa

Except you're paying taxes on the "real" unrealized gains. Market and BTC volatility means more value that can be taxed.

cryptoples

Just stacking for now and throught the summer. Buying BTC, ETH, SOL, LINK, HBAR, ALGO and XRP. I have about 50% in btc and other half diversed between those others.

Decentralization-God

This Nixon, De Gaulle, gold standard end etc. story is real … But how Bitcoin addresses it? If the gov wanted, it could take BTC source code, do some customizations, call it TripleD (decentralized digital dollar) and then perhaps pre-mine supply, and then distribute in some consensual form to all citizens. Since Bitcoin is not the best tech. in 2026, it would even pick different project I guess. It would certainly want PoS and PoW etc.

uncapchad

They are still rolling the payouts. They're doing it in tranches. The final phase of the repayment plan is still ongoing, with approximately $8.2 billion worth of Bitcoin (141,379 BTC) still to be distributed

mrhaftbar

you don't want 100 BTC? I'll take them.

Nice-Can-1581

I doubt that people with such low risk tolerance that they hold most of the crypto in stable coins for save 4% APR will suddenly become gamblers and go all in on stock that is has more volatility than literal BTC. Best outcome will be short rally and rejection on previous support as resistance.

antasit

Payments from guests are going to be in fiat of course. I was thinking about bringing the best of two worlds. Basically profit is going to be exchanged to BTC likewise expenses are going to be exchanged to fiat. BTC is going to be backup all times and it's amount going to be growing. I did not say BTC is going to be payment method.

pfftlolbrolollmao

>What do I mean by safe? Safe in the sense that chance that investing in them will one day leave you stuck with something worth pennies on the dollar in the long term is very very low. Buddy. ZOOM OUT! Pick a point past 4 years where BTC was lower. You can't. It's been around 17 years and has gone from strength to strength, the bear markets are built in. Unlike the S&P which could crash at any point for unpredictable or unforeseeable reasons. But BTC is more of gamble? People have literally jumped off of buildings because the S&P crashed. But yeah BTC with a predictable bull/bear market is is the riskier one. If BTC is gambling in your eyes. Then so is S&P. Not sure why you are so blind to that. Why don't we test it? S&P is worth 6909.51 (pulled from yahoo finance via a quick google) BTC is worth 68,088.49 A 100$ bet. In 10 years which will have more growth? Let's actually gamble and put our money where our mouths are. Set a !remindme 10 years

Ricedaddy43

You have bad logic. U cant operare a restaurant with btc. Customers sont pay u in BTC and you can't pay your staff and suppliers with BTC too. If you asking me to invest your restaurant in BTC, not cash, I would think you are either stupid or scammer.

antasit

But this way we are all limited to one market or another. I was thinking about bringing the real life and BTC together in order to use best of both worlds. Which has potential for wide adoption once solved legally.

ardus666

OP, if you're worried with 0.19 BTC, then you don't have 0.19 BTC.

Sea_Procedure_3471

Quantum ain’t doing anything, and if it did, crypto wouldn’t be the only thing fucked. Think 15-20 years before we see a quantum computer enough to do what everyone thinks it’ll do.  No BTC isn’t dead. It’s just beginning. 

antasit

Not shares. Ownership. Investors are going to own the business. You can hold what you have, but owning a BTC bringing business, having a real life asset, equalized not to fiat is saving both investors and workers from bear market and fiat inflation. Btw I think people do not have understanding the luxury side of my area. Possibility of aggressive expanding and having branches with same quality in different countries (especially in bull market scenario) is a big potential imho.

antasit

That's the important part. 2 years usually time for roi, however, in bear market, business backed up by BTC is big potential for rallies. Do not underestimate fine dining.

antasit

Profits are going to stay in BTC and also paying back is going to be in BTC. Restaurant profits are not small in my area but here is the DCA part, even 1 BTC profit is going to stay in BTC. 2 years usually time for roi, however, in bear market, business backed up by BTC is big potential for rallies. Do not underestimate fine dining.

66NickS

That’s why you’d sell something else that you did take a loss on to counter BTC gains.

hduynam99

Selling BTC at loss is not acceptable for me

Shop21DK

But can you spend BTC from a fiat account?

Small_Appearance2014

It would cause major panic and volatility — but not destroy crypto. Liquidity would shift to other stablecoins or BTC. The market would hurt, but it would survive.

Rikarz

BTC sans aucun doute, surtout avec la correction qu'il y a en ce moment !

TheMillennialLawyer

Go for MNT and BTC

Important-Minimum777

Or it's plus for BTC. MSTRs strc pays 11.5% annually paid monthly. Maybe yield seeks will go there and in turn Saylor buys more BTC

Shazvox

Nope, incorrect. Got about 20% of my BTC back + some fiat.

PhysInstrumentalist

Why is everyone so bearish on BTC, we just had a selloff, buying support is picking back up

Atmacrush

I'm DCA'ing on BTC, ETH, SOL, ADA, and lending USDC for now. More so on BTC and lending USDC.

Hail_the_Yale

I think you are overestimating how much u know about BTC

truthwatcher_

It feels like 2018 somehow. BTC was also stuck at a low price for several weeks. Until it suddenly dropped another 50% which turned out to be the final bottom

stellarfirefly

In short, mining does not only bring new BTC into existence, but it also validates all transactions. So in the year 2140 or thereabouts, when no new BTC will be created anyway, mining will continue just to validate new transactions and the reward will be only the fees.

Quick-Jello-7847

I was thinking the opposite when SHTF then BTC pumps.

canadianragweed

I can tell you that not having a mortgage is nice in a lot of ways. However, it is probably not as "freeing" as you might think it will be. I would personally not sell all my BTC, or really any, at current levels. Maybe it doesn't have to be all or nothing.

HugeLarry

I have yet to sell any BTC, but I've only been in the game since early 2021.

robi101012981

Yes, I got out 2 months ago with a big loss from the egld ecosystem. Now I only have some BTC and ETC which I received for free from Robinhood and Bitvavo, however, I'm down 30% in just a month with them...

ljungbergsghost

Parking value. This isn’t BRK.A or T bills. This is BTC down 50% while everything else is to the moo.

lukesmit695

I’m not afraid to hide my love for BTC, so not worried about showing it off haha. And since I made it, don’t have to worry about spending the money😄

Legitimate_Cry_5194

It's so similar. The double top of the bull in 2021 where BTC barely managed to print a new ATH in November. Altcoins that didn't recover to the prices of the first top. BTC stabilizing and Ethereum suddenly running wild signalling the end of the crypto bull market period. Bear market appearing gradually after the second top, the denial phase, and prices collapsing severely in the second half of 2022. Let's see about the lows. I'm very hesitant of entering right now. Part me of sees an opportunity, and an opportunity IT IS right now for the long term investor, but there is a GIGANTIC difference on future gains buying at 55%/60%/65% down from ATH instead of buying right now at 45% down. I prefer of completely missing the train than banging my head on the wall for buying too early. We are nowhere near peak desperation. I will buy when i feel shitting my pants just by thinking of buying. Stock exchange is like 2% down from ATH and we are 45% down. Tells you all you need to know about where we'll end up if we get some true bear market reversal or even just a 10%-15% pullback in S&P 500 etc.

delf0s

Here's a fun thing you can do. Go to google gemini and type this prompt, "How many times has BTC been declared dead"

delf0s

Not once did I say I sold...or bought. Just sharing my opinion. I have money saved to buy BTC at the 50k to 40k level.

delf0s

it's following it's 4 years cycle. EVERY SINGLE bear market....loads of people say BTC is dead. It's a meme now. By Oct or Nov of 2026....will probably be it's low. I'm guessing 40k ish. However, since we've already dropped like 50% so early in the cycle...the bear market lows may come earlier.

Nice-Can-1581

Its not stock making billions and paying dividends. You can " time the market" very easily, by just looking on on chain data and seeing 100k+ BTC entering exchanges at 115k.

Interesting_Low_1025

Yes. In since 2013, and my interest reached a peak in 2021/22. The reality is that among my friends no one cares anymore. Most of the normies got burned on Alts and NFTs and then again meme coins. No one is interested in talking about it anymore, some still hodl- but most cashed out. I just don’t see a future any more. I was mostly BTC maxi, but when the dollar started weakening and gold rallied but BTC behaves like levered Nasdaq it just didn’t meet the moment for me. I liquidated Sol and Eth in Oct- and I’ll keep BTC but I’ve given up on the adoption I once expected to see.

coax_k

It's coming back now. I repressed those memories. GOX first, then about 3 years later BTC-e. Some of the coins from the GOX (let's call it a robbery) robbery were even washed through BTC-e. Good times.

coax_k

Maybe BTC-e? I'm old enough to not remember which came first. Either way, I got fucked in both. I remember that part.