BTC

NoRepresentative1393

Ledger is great if you plan to hold multiple coins. If you’re only stacking Bitcoin, get a BTC-only cold wallet from Coldcard. There’s also a BTC-only option from Trezor. All three are solid choices, but they differ in some points, so it’s worth doing a bit of research to see which one fits your needs best.

quintavious_danilo

why do you need explaining ? BTC goes up and then down. Up is bull and down is bear. Not sure you’re new or just trying to troll?

Suspicious-Quiet1125

Buy sometime in the summer next year when BTC is at 30k.

Jeffmaru

Time in the market beats timing the market because the only thing you, we, or anyone else knows for sure is the price of BTC at this very moment. Looking at your scenario, what happens if BTC bottoms at $61,000 and you planned to buyback in at $60,000? You never buyback in. Alternatively, if you DCA in every week then while your average will never be the bottom it’ll be low enough that you benefit from the uplift and you’re never out of the market. Especially if you set levels and buy more BTC at lower levels.

nitroacid411

Jack Dorsey was my guy. He took a backseat. BUT I still listen to his opinions and innovations IE. square payments in BTC etc.

DuYaPa

Well unfortunately I did not only buy BTC and SUI. All my other coins/currencies are about 70% down.

Froz3n_Cornchip

Glad someone said it. 1 BTC = 1 BTC but I’m sure as shit everyone wishing they bought it when it was $1 USD

AcidUrine

It’s true. Volatility will fall with higher volume, but people pulling BTC and sitting it in cold storage lowers the volume. 

skillzz_24

How does the ability to buy fractional BTC affect its scarcity? If only one person is selling 1 BTC, then you could only buy 1 BTC.

KPS-UK77

Bagholders most likely No, I think the people who buy low, sell high will BTC is doing what it did in 13-15, 17-19, 21-23, 25-...

Elean0rZ

>You put 100 in and that stays in there Right, but the issue is what is that $100? If we're cutting fiat out of the picture (i.e., decentralized), then by definition it's $100 of something else at today's prices, and that something else will fluctuate in price independently of fiat. Maybe tomorrow it's worth $120, or maybe it's worth $80. If it's crypto and there's a crash then maybe it's worth $5. It's easy to guarantee that if you put 100 BTC in you'll get 100 BTC out, but that doesn't tell you anything about fiat-equivalent value, which is the core point of stablecoins. By the same logic, the best (= most reliable) way to ensure your $100 stays $100 is to involve actual dollars, which is why fiat-collateralized (i.e., centralized) stablecoins are the most widely used.

Foooour

Ultimately you have to establish and follow your own conviction I personally think BTC is headed down. Either now or after a last rally above 100k. I think btc will fall to 70k-35k range. My ideal entry is 55k. So I would act accordingly. I would sell 50% now. If it trends upwards I would sell the rest by 95-100k. If it trends down I would start trimming my position and sell the rest above 80k I want to be out completely by 100k or 80k. I would start buying back in at 70k and DCA. If it hits 55k I would buy so I have the same amount of btc as bedore. The money left over is profit. If btc goes even lower, I would use the profit to buy between 40 and 35k. People talk about timing the bottoms as if you need to be absolutely spot on, but you have so much room to buy back in at a lower price. Maybe btc just keeps ripping. hits 200k without ever dropping back down. Well at least Im liquid and not left bolding a massive nah.

AlternativeSandwich6

Wlfi. Dogecoin. BTC is about to get left in the dust

Pablito-010

Yeah, because all bottoms happened 7 weeks from the top and never has BTC gone down for over a year after hitting a cycle top!

Fishherr

When Solana and BTC pumped when the Trump and Melania meme got launched, and Jan 20 marked 52w post spot etf , I knew that was gonna mark a local high. Sure enough we went down to 74k lmfao

vasco_

got to coinglass, click liquidation in the menu, then liquidation map, 2nd one is the one you want (BTC exchange liquidation map): left are long liquidation levels, right short ones.

OkIndication3968

Nobody knows whether this is a bottom or not. At the end of the day, selling because you need to, or because you want to take profits is very normal. I've seen inexperienced investors screaming on this forum about HODLing and bullying others about "panic selling". Selling for personal reasons based on risk tolerance, or for profit taking is a regular part of investing. Same with market corrections -- they happen.  My recommendations are generally the following: 1) No leverage ever. You'll just get liquidated. 2) During corrections, if you miss your selling point, ask if you need the money within the next three months, if so, then sell.  3) If you did the above, don't feel bad about selling, you are recovering your principal. 4) If you can hold, great. Consider DCA'ing. 5) Sell anytime you feel you need to take profits. 6) If it's a bear market, be prepared for a few years of sideways trading or further corrections. 7) BTC and ETH are the safest of the cryptos. Other alts are higher risk assets within a broader risk asset.  

KPS-UK77

It still amazes me these people don't bother to look at the historical data before diving in. BTC is doing what it did in 13-15, 17-19, 21-23, 25-...(27) and they act shocked like they never saw this coming. And bizarrely seem to think trump is single handedly doing it. It's a 2 trillion dollar global market ffs! 😂

OfficiallySmiles

Better sell all your BTC 😉

nitroacid411

He's out for one thing. Rich dad. Rich Robert. Treat him like. Jim Cramer. He's says buy. Sell. So what if he had 6k BTC years ago. He didn’t hold. Therefore Saylor and the boys have dismissed him from the group.

Phosphate67

I just started reading into the budget neutral ability to acquire BTC. They could sell 50 billion of the current 860+ Billion in gold and get around it the at way…

chi_guy8

lol. I was being a little dramatic. I’ve exhausted all the funds I’m willing to allocate to BTC buying this dip that keeps on dipping. I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said to me but I can assure you, I’m beyond good.

Last-Talk7813

You are kidding, right? It has no value other than people are buying it and the price goes up. Now people are selling and BTC is tanking.

Last-Talk7813

Keep dreaming. BTC is tanking.

Last-Talk7813

BTC is headed below 80K.

Silasurf

Buying BTC in revolut is like buying a 24k gold bar on Temu 😂

chance_waters

You make the most money from BTC accumulating and holding, it's a growing asset, the fastest of the past few decades.

Still_Theory179

It's just a testiment to his character innit. Forked BTC but left his fortune untouched to let it play out.  But fair enough, sit this one out, I just hope your descendents find the hearts to forgive you.  🫡

BoozeYourDaddy

What? I did. This is the real world. What is BTC actually used for then? There is no mainstream adoption outside of speculation, which isn't an actual function.

Additional_Dirt8695

BTC went from $16k in 2022 to $125k in 2025. The bull run already happened. I've been a bull for a long time, but I've also been through 3 BTC halving cycles. 20k to 3k, 70k to 16k, now 125k to 40k is my guess. I'm not really bearish or bullish, but based on past cycles, the party is over for now. 

Still_Theory179

So Zoko being the first one to seriously attempt and think deeply about creating a decentralized money, and just happened to be the first one to blog about BTC and converse with SN on the early forums, just has nothing to do with investing BTC. Lmao cmon dog, go through the podcasts of Zoko and notice the slip ups he makes, see how he refers to SN.  The Truth is out there, zcash having the most cracked devs in the cryptography space isn't the only reason for the merotic rise. 

maxintos

But what's the argument for holding the company stock that's valued much higher than just holding BTC on your own? The argument I was given was that he can borrow at a lower interest rate than normal investors and therefore get more BTC for less money. If he's not borrowing money why not just buy BTC directly for cheaper?

zheyicao

There will be no interest rate cut in December, and the pressure is still there.BTC The impact on the whole market tends to be "The impact on the whole market tends to be "F2".The long-term value remains unchanged, but the market's caution will lead to a lack of liquidity.

Infamous-Discount-99

If one knows the price is going to drop to 70k or lower in the next few months why the hell did they buy a whole bitcoin at 100k? I tried this during my 1st cycle when bitcoin skyrocketed from 2k to 12k and then started to crash.  That 10k threshold was pretty unbelievable and I was certain to gain more BTC by buying back lower. You know what happened after I sold at 10k after the pop at 12k ath?  It pump faked and ran to 20k. Sure, it did eventually bleed back down to $3800, but by then id already decided id rather be in than out, so I bought back at a much higher cost.  I still own less than I did then trying to time the market for more btc. Buy,  buy more if it crashes more.  Don't sell thinking youre smarter than the market.  Youre obviously not, or you wouldn't have bought 100k bitcoin knowing it was going to 70k or lower.

fairlyaveragetrader

Add the 100 and 50 week moving average. You will see the support level we just bounced off of. In 2021 it took a bit for the retrace up to the 50 week, maybe it happens faster? It would be the perfect bullshop, you would have BTC 100K headlines again right before the trap door opens

Redfoot87

Bottom was four years ago when BTC was 15k. This is the top, son.

glasser999

Eh, I learned my lessons in 2018 and 2021. Got sick of riding the rollercoaster down. This time I bought majority at 15-20k, sold majority at 100-110k. I left ~20% of my holdings so I still have exposure. I'll buy back in when BTC bottoms around 50k, drastically improving my position for the future.

GreenStretch

Through all the years that it has seemed like a massive scam, there has been enough worldwide demand for a dollar substitute to keep Tether afloat. It's also notable that countries that use the US Dollar are crypto centers, El Salvador for promoting BTC and Cambodia for the captive callers forced into pig butchering scams.

s1ga1n7

Here it thought it was because trading XMR for BTC is at its highest ever.

Additional_Dirt8695

I love BTC and have been in it for roughly 10 years, this bull run is over in my opinion. It went from $16k to $125k in 2 years. I can't post a chart but there's been a long term trendline since that bottom and it broke last week. If you bought over $100k just hold, but don't panic sell when it hits $50k. Hopefully I'm wrong and it rallies. 

FilmDazzling4703

All I can speak for is myself. for me I recently got into BTC right before the ATH, but don’t feel anything about the drop since. I got into this knowing it’s volatile, knowing that I will likely see massive losses before the next rally. I imagine at this point people who choose to get into it know more about the risks that come with it, now that BTCs been around for over a decade. It would be extra stupid to get into crypto in 2025 and not expect as much.

Look_Up_Here

Let's have Tom Lee and Cathy Woods debate where BTC will be in 2026.

Buk_Danger

Sell BTC buy ETH

FilmDazzling4703

Develop the discipline to a have an emergency fund, and then treat BTC going down 60% as an emergency so you can dip into your fund. Seriously though you should have an emergency fund, at least a couple months rent. If the market dips to certain levels I’ll drop my fund lol

Narrow-Bee-8354

Yeah that’s it. That scene in “ The wolf of Wall Street “, Mathew Mc’s character says something along the lines of “ Number one rule of Wall Street: Nobody - I don't care if you're Warren Buffett or Jimmy Buffett - Nobody knows if the stock's going to go up, down, sideways, or spin in a circle. “ In saying this, I have full confidence of BTC in the long term, eventually it will prevail, I actually think it’s inevitable it will prevail.

NOneHOne

$126 was the peak. 84k may not even be the trough. Again, we'll find all of that out pretty soon. I'm familiar with all that you said and it's true but the truth is that nobody knows. I'm definitely not venting and don't need an exit plan. Peak, trough, etc... all irrelevant to me - I just keep buying and have never sold a single position. At the end of the day, BTC will end up in the millions. Not a matter of if but rather when. Just answering the dude's question.

CrimeSceneCleaner197

Can't shake me...the funny thing about BTC, is that as soon as I start fantasizing about quitting my job, it tanks. I think it is all my fault.

DigitaICriminal

Agreed, BTC was rolled back back in the day

DigitaICriminal

All crypto is centralized, except BTC, but its getting centralized also.

CalaisZetes

P1. Eventually it won't be possible to put anymore BTC into circulation. P2. Some amount of BTC will always be removed from circulation (People dying without passing their coins on, losing their keys, etc) Conclusion: The total number of BTC in circulation will eventually be zero.

StewBag69

That may be the case for BTC but no matter the tithes in the market or emotions in people's head, the dollar will and has been an inflationary asset since the it's. Atleast BTC CAN have another story whilst fiat remains the same.

Rich_Highlight_

Fair enough, but calling $84K a peak after we hit $126K just last month? That's like declaring the party's over because the confetti's settling—it's just the intermission. The halving's scarcity is still kicking in, ETF inflows are rebounding (BlackRock's alone added 20K+ BTC this week), and institutional FOMO hasn't even peaked yet. Corrections like this happen mid-cycle every time (remember 2017's 40% dip en route to $20K?). If history's any guide, we're not topping out till Q1 2026 at minimum—analysts are eyeing $110K-$120K EOY. But hey, if you're cashing out now, more for the rest of us. What's your exit plan, or are you just venting?

moldyjellybean

It’s pumping one last time this weekend but come Monday we probably sell off when the market opens. I actually believe in BTC but at this point it literally tracks QQQ stock the last time I looked.

fairlyaveragetrader

There's a pattern here. 2021, BTC 100K guaranteed, actual high 69k. 2025, BTC 200k ! The actual high, 126k, 2029, what narrative and Target are they going to be talking about? Is it going to be 250k and we come up with a high around 190 or 200? Remains to be seen

TechnologyMinute2714

What's going on with the CEX BTC supplies, dropped like 550k BTC in one day, who's withdrawing, where, why, supply shock wen\*

Competitive-Walk8419

it absolutely does. You can use BTC as loan collateral, to make purchases, to validate stablecoins, etc etc. In fact ETH and most of the big coins have a solid use can, even if it is on chain in many instances. You need XRP in order to.... thats not a sentence I can finish, perhaps you can.

nanonerd100

I agree. What I don't understand is how the BTC ATM's are flourishing. Ppl must be using them because these ATMs are everywhere ...

BWBucs99

I'm sure they'd happily accept it, but who's going to pay them in BTC?

edix911

BTC can be copied and so we have infinite supply of cryptocurrencies and BTC is just one of many crypto shitcoins that isn't backed by anything. Ponzi

Chucktownbadger

Companies covering their stock market and revenue/profit losses by selling their BTC reserves. Institutional money is in and in big, we now follow the stock market more than any of us would care to.

Competitive-Bug-652

-$7k/18k overall. the first time I ever had any lump sum of money to invest. 75% BTC, 25% XRP. But I still have faith there’s a 50-60% hit ATH in Decembers, as GPT predicts.

phil_tek

Give all your BTC to me. I’ll take it off your hands for free

ippleing

No real resistance was tested last week. It still has more to go. I'm long BTC.

ContentBlackberry0

This isn’t even a BTC wallet 😂

Ok_Golf_6467

Still playing the long game on BTC/SOL/AVAX. No matter how much crying I hear here.

Reach_Beyond

In the future BTC will be higher than today. I’d bet anyone in here my entire life savings. Next month, next year, 5 years? Not sure, but higher in the future.

NeoDynomite

Let’s goooo! 0.1 BTC is where the conviction finally meets the math.

PaulblankPF

Look at the metrics. Its growth has slowed significantly percent wise. If you didn’t get in pre 2020 you aren’t seeing the same gains as someone who got in then. In the last 5 years Nvidia has 4-5 times the growth as BTC and actually has earnings and growth and positive outlook. Even if we say BTC goes to 200k next cycle people will at best 2-3 times their money unless they are holding from pre2020. You can do way better just betting on any AI stock right now.

newtonreddits

I told my mom to buy BTC at like $12k. Whew

Aggressive_Spell2314

Bitcoin is not a multiplier, not anymore. But it’s the best performing asset in the last 15 years. S&P 500 is 11% return annually. 11% is barely keeping up with inflation. BTC is a good hedge against inflation.

NewNewspaperB

All we know is that BTC is the Goat 🐐 and the King 👑 It's here to stay. Set it and forget it. Simple.

Mcris64

I took profits on about 25% of my BTC at $125K and cleaned up my alts, but none of my other limit orders to sell hit, so I’m holding, DCAing, buying the dips at support, and grabbing the knife all the way down.

Chance-Call-33

Buy BTC!!!

bokah_chimp

Oh no! It's over BTC is dead

Common-Method2202

BTC is the only thing propping up other crypto’s lol. It would be a chain crash

jrecio26

I went in back in 2021 when BTC was like at $42K. It was coming down from its $69K ATH and watched it go down to $15K per coin shortly after. You’ll be fine, after a while you learn that BTC teaches you to have a long term preference. Good luck man!

Head-End-5909

There are no upsides or downsides to owning IBIT vis-a-vis BTC since iShares IBIT is a spot ETF trust. So there’s nothing to lose by selling bitcoin at a loss and buying IBIT at your brokerage account. Honestly, it’s better than keeping it on a CEX I self-custody Bitcoin and own IBIT in my Roth IRA where there’s definitely a tax upside.

Jwelz90

I used to buy 500-1000 bars at a time off Silk Road with BTC. Wish I had all those coins back. Luckily I do still have some from not long after those days.

Notrustjustverify

People are sleeping on BTC, this is what BTC loves.

Notrustjustverify

I never said fiat money, I said hard money like BTC. I often forget that I am talking to a slave of government and centralized authorities who have lost touch with reality. Dollar printing will leave you with enough toilet paper to last you your life while we move to the real commodity money that is not born out of greed and nothingness. 

frosty_power

Seems like a 3 year cycle to me with alt season at the beginning of this year and a rest of year bear except for BTC.

tooandto

Can’t wait for the headline BTC ‘collapses’ from 250k to 199k lol

jackdagger404

Or how about just read the 4 year trends. Bull/bear. Spiral seems fancy and all but you can just look at what happens everytme BTC tops out and assumee the bottom of the bear will be 55-70% pull back.

tenkitron

Is there a reason that the amount of BTC is so close to pi?

TheSmithPlays

Absolutely. If anyone thinks this is the lowest ever BTC goes again, they’re probably not really sure what they’re talking about.

Mysterious_Crab_7622

Except Bitcoin is even more heavily concentrated than the USD. Early crypto whales bought up the bulk of supply when BTC was extremely cheap compared to now. They had enough to manipulate the market, and it’s also enough to crash the market once they finally dump their bags on retail.

Particular_Rice9607

I mean if you guys want out, feel free to donate your BTC, I'll put it to good use

CipherScarlatti

Imagine the entire cryptoverse piling into Moons as a safehaven from the BTC drop.

Mission_Biscotti3962

What is your point? What are you countering exactly? I have stated that BTC miners talk to each other, I have shown this. Whether segwit is a hard fork or a soft fork is a point that was never made and it's besides the point that's being discussed.

ANIAT444

Don’t listen to all these KIA’s (Know It All’s) Buy BTC, HODL n STFU - Stress Free !!!! No guessing, No BSing.

DwightsShirtGuy

Crypto (I know, not crypto, only BTC) is the exact opposite of Berkshire’s investment philosophy.

MoistService2607

Ask him how much 21 Million BTC / 1 Trillion USD., because that’s how much more each 1 BTC is worth for each trillion borrowed. The US borrows 1 Trillion USD more each four months.

Mysterious_Crab_7622

The people who kept their BTC from back then are all finally dumping their bags on everybody else now. People here think they are hot shit for owning a fraction of 1 BTC, meanwhile the OG whales have thousands of BTC, enough to easily manipulate the market.

Shift_Tex

Yea and that want us met by printing more dollars making dollars worth less. It’s fine if it’s 2-3% target rate a year but we doubled the global money supply in the last five years. 10x the target. You and I don’t get a say in that. Neither does the President of the USA. Bank for international settlements, headed by one man, controls that. They can’t control BTC. 21M now and forever.

Agitated-Bird-4333

"It's a near mathematical certainty the number of BTC in circulation will be zero at some point." OP stated this several times in the post. But there is no reason given, just trust me bro. It's bullsh\*t

unnatural_select

The point is to take the tax loss. Definitely take advantage of the property rules and sell the BTC and immediately buy BTC back. No risk, only upside. Owning BTC directly is like the govt giving you a tax put. Like any option, it's value goes up with vol.

A_Dragon

It’s called 4 stage analysis. He’s not a scammer, he still believes in BTC, but why hold through a stage 4 decline when you can make more money by selling and buying back in.

Mysterious_Crab_7622

BTC is way too young to say definitive terms like “always rebounds”. Oh, the naivety of youth lol

Mysterious_Crab_7622

How’s that going for BTC?

Mysterious_Crab_7622

Ignoring crypto, the economy looks like complete shit right now. The value of BTC goes up when more people are buying BTC than selling. The value goes down when more people are selling than buying. Retail investors of Bitcoin are being forced to cash out to afford food and rent, and there isn’t enough money in the economy for most people to still be buying Bitcoin. Crypto, including Bitcoin, will crash harder than the actual economy, and it will happen sooner acting as a warning sign for the real economy.