BTC

Maxim___g

You think BTC will go down after all?

N3333K0

Why are you still thinking of BTC in terms of dollars?

xBrodoFraggins

I agree, and I do believe good came from it. Being able to purchase FBTC in my IRA for example, but I hate the fact big hedge funds can create paper BTC and fuck with one of the things that makes BTC awesome.

Socketz11

What market are you looking at that has BTC "back up?" 5% gain in a week is irrelevant. If it was any lower Doge would be standing on its throat.

Nick700

Holding already gets you good returns and trying to sell and rebuy to get more BTC has a risk of you ending up with less BTC instead if you time it wrong

Andre_ev

ETH, in some way BTC, others not 100% Even if robots take all power than ETH would continue to exist, perhaps it would be more sustainable than humans 😏, BTC is more manipulative and human relative

rong12-

定期囤点BTC是一种明智的选择

shogun4fun

If every man woman and child owned btc coin today they would each have 0.002416 BTC from total mined supply. You are way ahead.

Squeiner

*sigh..* so much nonsense in such a short post, where to even start... I guess I'll just start with the obvious; no you didn't. Next, when you say "since BTC has no intrinsic value, what reason could there be to convince me that money is not the answer and there is a bigger picture in play" you didnt actually say anything. This sentence doesn't actually mean anything. Its a badly formulated mishmash of words that has no meaning whatsoever. You clearly have something you want to say here, but you didn't actually manage to say it. The second part doesn’t clearly follow from the first. It reads like it should be a separate thought. There's no logical bridge between the two, and its far from clear what exactly you are asking in the second part like... “convince me that money is not the answer” is just vague like.. the answer to what?  who is convincing you? What do you mean with "a bigger picture in play"? In play where? Like in terms of just money?  Are you talking about like.. God? Or life in general? Are we still talking about just money and value here? What does any of this mean? No clue... Lastly, and most importantly by far, "Intrinsic value" is a phrase who's only function is to reveal the fundamental ignorance of the person that says it. There is no such thing. Value is subjective. It does not reside in the object being valued, it exists only in the mind of the person doing the valuation. Since your post contains so much nonsense (and in so few words! amazing...), it's safe to assume that this "system" you've "developed" is almost certainly nonsense as well. Unless of course, I mean.. do you plan to share this system with us? Or are we supposed to just take your word for it? Cause if you dont share it or provide some kind of evidence, I'm kind of forced to conclude that this post boils down to "I don't know the first thing about economics, grammar, syntax, or logic, but I do want to let you all know that I'm smarter than all of you and will be filthy rich soon (trust me bro)"?

Vaultleap

I'd push back on the idea that utility is a "minority" use case. stablecoins alone settled over $12 trillion in 2025, and most of that wasn't speculation, it was cross-border payments, remittances, and payroll for remote workers. that's real commerce flowing through crypto rails even if nobody's tweeting about it. the speculation-to-AI rotation is real but it doesn't mean the infrastructure dies. it means the people building actual products on crypto rails matter more now than the pump-chasers. think about it this way: email didn't die when the dot-com bubble popped. the garbage projects died and the useful ones survived. the part of crypto that's genuinely useful right now is the payments layer. being able to hold stablecoins and spend them anywhere via a Visa debit card with $0 card fees and 0% international markups, that's a product that works regardless of whether BTC goes to 200k or 20k. VaultLeap is doing exactly this and the fact that it's self-custodial means your funds aren't exposed to counterparty risk from some exchange collapsing. the real question isn't whether "crypto recovers" as a speculative asset. it's whether the infrastructure becomes invisible and useful. what do you think would change your mind on the utility argument?

devCheckingIn

So the scuttlebutt is that Saylor sold 491 BTC on July 1. Does anybody care?

devCheckingIn

ETH is up more than BTC on the daily?

substandard2

Solana, BTC and very likely XRP.

Large-College-4772

LOL! Yeah, right. Because of why? Enron was “too big to fail”. They went to zero and that was a huge energy company. BTC has no assets and no intrinsic value. Without someone who will buy, the price will continue marching to zero.

No-Clerk-2764

BTC just chilling at resistance while alts bleeding out, classic summer doldrums i guess. every time i think about picking up some ETH the chart looks like a ski slope and i close the app at least the daily thread is quiet today, that usually means we are near a bottom or something right? or maybe everyone is just at bbq for the holiday

Separate_Bid_2364

You are only accounting for if the crash were to happen tomorrow. One year of dividends sounds like a lot and for a more stable situation it is but more than likely the way for them to continue funding them in a palatable manner is if BTC stabilizes. You are probably right in that I am probably being overly pessimistic but to me there isn’t much of a difference between going under and becoming insignificant for the rest of its existence.

LionRivr

Real answer: 1. Maintain stable income. 2. Pay your monthly bills. 3. Contribute to retirement accounts for stock market exposure and for tax advantages. 4. Service all your debts. Never hold credit card debt. 5. Build a 6 months cash emergency fund. 6. Eat well. Whole, nutritious foods. Proteins and fats. Steak, eggs, salmon, avocado, fruits & veggies. 7. Stay hydrated. 8. Exercise regularly. Strength train. Mobility and injury prevention exercises. 9. Get consistent and sufficient sleep. 10. Get adequate sunlight outdoors every day. 11. DCA in BTC regularly. 12. DCA harder or add more lump sums when BTC trends below 200 week moving average. 13. Support your family, friends, and community. 14. Give more than you take/receive. TL;DR: Take care of yourself. Take care of others. Buy BTC.

Jogi1811

I need BTC to spiral a little more. I'm close to breaking even and that makes me a little worried.

CommunityCommon1732

BTC and ETH are probably the safest choice,but nothing is guaranteed in crypto, especially over a 20 years timeframe

Business_Office_7978

Well there is a system, too bad the casino will ban u. As for taxes, would u not make extra money if it meant u have to pay extra taxes? Is that the reason you’re holding ur BTC? If there was no CGT what would be your strategy?

dsk83

BTC hit a new ath before the last halving so things can change

i_Am_WilliamYamz

If your strategy works, stick with it. For people who prefer holding, native BTC staking is another way to put it to work.

CryptoAnarchyst

I used to believe that there could be something other than BTC but I no longer do because none of the networks solve the fundamental issues. So I’m back to btc only

i_Am_WilliamYamz

Nothing wrong with buying spot BTC. If you're holding long term anyway, you can always look into btc staking later.

Vortiqar

The comment below nailed it. ETF if you want wealth, direct BTC if you want sovereignty. Different goals, both valid

LibertyWithLiquidity

In the end everyone wants more Bitcoin. Even if you bought the Nasdaq as a Bitcoiner, you would eventually need to pivot & convert it back to BTC. So the only real pain is: I could have had a bigger stack IF I bought something else AND IF I sold. Those are some big ifs & the safer option is buying BTC from the get-go. Bitcoin at $1.2T market cap is a joke. Even $12T would be massively undervalued in the current environment. Could be paper BTC, could be OGs + miners dumping, could be just a lack of interest in the asset. Which makes me wonder: If real estate, tech stocks & metals would all simultaneously crash, what would happen to BTC? Back to $400B market cap? I can't even imagine that. I mean, I'm not complaining, I like cheap corn & I'm certain Bitcoin will deliver, based on... just EVERYTHING, BUT: if we consistently underperform the market, say over the next 10 years, I may have to reassess my strategy, no pun intended. But before that happens I think it will melt faces, sooner than all these NPCs might expect it to. Just stack & chill.

DankShibe

According to the charts , bear market has about 4 months left ( should end October / November 2026) . Some are saying it could last until the next BTC halving . If 2026 was a 2022 than 2027 should be a 2023 which was just a sideways year with no rallies but also no crashes .

ElPozonCgena

I'll think BTC, ETH and of course SOL

ra246

I’m happy for it; cheaper BTC for me.

faiqR

I don't think it was easy. Watching everything else go to the moon while BTC was the leading asset nose diving and then trading sideways was rough. That wasn't really the case in previous bears. 

Gears6

Can we store national secrets in BTC?

InfiniteLurkers

Your friend isn't wrong about ETFs being easier. You're not wrong about wanting actual BTC. Both can be true

General_Feeling8839

They said I left but I’m still here with my 21m BTC, anyone can do this, just change username. Duhhh.

Echo_OfIdeas

Your friend isn't wrong but neither are you. ETF is easier, actual BTC is yours. Both get you exposure

nerdburg

BTC goes up, BTC go down. BTC goes up, BTC go down. BTC goes up, BTC go down....

Separate_Bid_2364

Seems unlikely…could they survive a flash crash with a quick rebound? Almost definitely but if BTC is at 15K for even 3-4 months they probably would be toast. Big Money loves to pile on any player of consequence going under. Might not even take 3 months for them to go under at that price.

No_South_9912

Nobody knows if this is yet another bull trap, it is BTC gonna run. 🦆🦆 🪿

biggest_guru_in_town

that massive buy wall sitting right at $62,200.0 for 70.85 BTC on my exchange probably is a bulwark.

The_Nothing00

Didn't China already ban BTC a million years ago?

TargP

Banks have to apply a 1,250% risk weight to balance sheet crypto under the Basel Accords, meaning >100% capitalisation (because no bank has only an 8% total capital ratio). Only once the BIS moves of the capital framework will it make even the remotest sense for banks to put BTC on balance sheet.

UpstairsAide3058

Almost **100%** of the U.S. government's Bitcoin holdings originate from confiscations, seizures, and civil or criminal asset forfeitures. \[[1](https://www.binance.com/en/square/post/31001502735754), [2](https://bitbo.io/treasuries/usa/), [3](https://bitcoinfoundation.org/news/regulation/what-is-the-federal-crypto-reserve-how-many-bitcoins-are-in-the-u-s-strategic-bitcoin-reserve/)\] The U.S. federal government is the world's largest known state holder of Bitcoin. Its exact stash remains un-audited and varies by reporting source, but estimates indicate it holds around **328,000 to 330,000 BTC**, which includes historic DOJ and FBI forfeitures.

devCheckingIn

You haven't heard? China's going to ban BTC.

biggest_guru_in_town

There is a massive buy wall buy wall sitting right at $62,200.0 for 70.85 BTC on okx. Tf.

FitCompetition1804

I had a vivid dream I. February that the bottom later this year would be $42k. Let’s just say my largest limit order is set at $42k. The BTC spirits have spoken again.

Goosebo

I really have no intention of ever selling. I’m riding this out for at least another 10 years and will only sell if the weighting I hold in BTC is too heavy compared to other investments. I really believe in the long term value of crypto generally.

EDWARD_SN0WDEN

I started auto depositing my entire tech salary into BTC at 18k a few years ago, only stopped at 40k. The alternative is to be a wage slave till I die, so yes I more bullish at lows than at highs

Adonael

Ah yes, good old 2m mcap. Just buy BTC bro

CryptoAnarchyst

I think you’ll have 2 chains left, maybe 3 and all of them will have to natively interact with BTC and each other. ADA is trying but it’s too late for it. And you’ll probably have banks take over most of the trading, or existing traditional exchanges. The model we have right now is unsustainable

MileHighManBearPig

None of them. Maybe BTC

markphillips401

You seem to be missing the point, sir. If trading nets you more BTC, it's working. But do as you see fit.

Nebrixxx

BTC is the only one where the answer feels obvious. Everything else requires a thesis that could be wrong

PhysicalEffective994

Sui, Aster, and ofc BTC,ETH, SOL

cryptofriday

2011 - 2012 perfect time to buy BTC BUT security was different - what I understand they get his keys from digital file. Looks like "house was clean" but they left all hardware and data files. Question: why it gpes in parts, not all at once?

ExpressResearch9514

Can someone explain why BTC can't go down to zero? Feels like it could. It's not a company. It has no backing. I know Blockchain has advantages but does that alone, make this valuable forever and ever?

Fun-Analysis-182

Phased recovery plus "decryption resources" usually points to weak key generation, not a recovered seed. A lot of those 2011-2013 wallets had entropy bugs you can grind through one address at a time, which is exactly what a 500-BTC-every-two-months cadence looks like.

quietdecode

BTC is the only one I'd bet on with real confidence over 20 years. Everything else is a thesis, BTC is already proven infrastructure

OdonsOwn1966

That's a heck a jump in. My total crypto exposure is still less than 1 percent of investments. I just use my play money and my lady at Edward Jones handles the rest. Should be accumulating a bit using DCA, but as fast as other investments are growing, it'll always be a fraction unless BTC, ETH, XRP or XLM blow up (preferably all of them). At least you are getting in at a good time.

Novel-Common-3547

I can see QNT - Quant gain much more value in some 10 years time. Not only is it an overledger technology that is ISO compliant, it has also a great ex-HSBC guy behind it as well as the number of tokens is lower than BTC. But from the more known ones, my money is on HBAR, SOL, ETH, maybe XRP and of course BTC.

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PneumaSystema

Update, thats why I didnt want to be here. According to info from The Core blah blah blah We are fucked. I was right. Hive mind will be growing, he is looking blockchain BTC. Why? Simple, they want have a stable form and continuity because they want have memory. All places attacked by them were organised databases. With some hashing. Great. Soon they may get near. Let me think.. what will do hive mind and our blockchain and his BTC"kids" combined together? I dont want to say even worse, as its literally in almost each protocole and signal. From Your cellphone thru military networks, comsats... Hospitals, schools, powerplants...

pythosynthesis

Attack his funding. The worse the world perceive their position to be the more expensive it gets to fund their day to day operations. The more likely they have to sell. In practice banks will start offering higher and higher rates on the loans to them, making it prohibitive at some point. It also includes suppressing BTC price, in a self fulfilling spiral. One fuels the other until it collapses.

PrincessMonsterShark

As others have said, you're day trading. I do that a little with some extra cash (not on BTC but generally on the stock market). I've learned some very hard lessons over the years. There's a reason that people say it's hard to be successful at day trading - you can make small gains and even big gains, but all it takes is one wrong decision, and your gains can get wiped out or worse. Think of it like playing blackjack. You might get a few lucky hands, but if you keep playing and you don't know what you're doing, eventually the house will win. In the world of investing and trading, you'll usually make more by investing and holding. Very few people manage to become successful traders.

NuggetsAreGolden

Could this mean the end of crypto as we know it. This is becoming one of the more remarkable cryptocurrency asset recovery stories. Here's what has happened: Irish authorities, through the Criminal Assets Bureau (CAB), working with Europol, have now recovered another 500 Bitcoin, bringing the total recovered from Clifton Collins's wallets to 1,500 BTC. At current prices, those recovered coins are worth more than $90 million. Collins originally accumulated roughly 6,000 BTC in 2011–2012 using proceeds from cannabis trafficking and spread them across 12 wallets containing 500 BTC each. Authorities have now successfully accessed three of those wallets—one in March, one in May, and this latest one. Approximately 4,500 BTC remain dormant, representing hundreds of millions of dollars at current prices. The most interesting aspect is how they did it. Authorities have only said that Europol provided "highly complex technical expertise and decryption resources." They have not explained the method publicly. That has led to several possibilities: The wallets may have been protected by an older wallet implementation with a vulnerability. Investigators may have recovered enough forensic evidence to reconstruct credentials. There may have been backups or additional key material that were never publicly known. It is considered highly unlikely that modern Bitcoin cryptography itself was "broken." No evidence suggests the underlying cryptographic algorithms protecting Bitcoin have been defeated. From a broader perspective, this is another reminder that "lost forever" doesn't always mean permanently inaccessible. Advances in digital forensics, coordinated international investigations, and improvements in blockchain analytics continue to expand what law enforcement can recover. Given your interest in post-quantum cryptography and quantum computing, this story also raises an important question: Were these wallets recovered through traditional digital forensics, or is law enforcement beginning to employ new cryptanalytic techniques? At present, there is no public evidence that quantum computing played any role in these recoveries. The available information points instead to specialized forensic and investigative methods rather than a breakthrough against Bitcoin's cryptography.

ahhhaccountname

I mean if I had a fuckload of money, Id have some bot purchase or sell a lot of bitcoin right as these 15 minute segments start, place a prediction in the opposite (if I sell, bet it goes up, if I buy, bet it goes down). I assume a lot of these prediction trades are done through bots, so Id enter with that opposite bet right as like 60-70% are betting the opposite so I get a 3x return and immediately do the opposite trade. So for example: - 15 minute starts - Buy 1000 BTC - Put bet that btc goes down when 60-70% bet it goes up - Short 2000 BTC

Stereo-Gito

Putting BTC and sealed pokemon cards into my portfolio has been one of my best returns ever 😆

MacMuthafukinDre

\_”Morgan Stanley could eventually hold Bitcoin directly on its own balance sheet, Oldenburg says it is within the realm of possibility, tying any such move to the continued progress of the regulatory environment.”\_ - sounds like they’re not planning to hold any themselves until Clarity is passed. Probably the stance of many institutions. So if Clarity passed, BTC gonna moon it sounds like. Might be a delay from time of approval as they all go through their processes.

Read_Red2596

Id rather buy now when I see posts like this, compared to when everyone is euphoric and BTC is doing “well.”

RedKe

Hedera HBAR is my top pick but I think BTC, ETH, LINK, and SOL will still be kicking.

Time_Basis2535

BTC. almost everything else is a shitcoin except maybe ETH SOL SUI 80% BTC 20% these

DoingItForEli

welp everyone might as well go ahead and turn their USDT into BTC.

Remarkable_Sleep_944

The fact that your true statement is getting downvoted proves Reddit has been compromised by Big banks since it's IPO. Now it's a sesspool of stocks and shares and banker bots shitting on BTC and other crypto, but mainly BTC.

tw_wombat

Some of their early "investments" were not stable. It's not clear how much they made or lost. And what's the implications on tax or fines they have to pay (And to who?). Right now the only thing for sure is they can withstand larger bankrun than any 5 banks combined you name it. And no one bother/able testing this theory because what's the benefit? In a sense a 100% bankrun might actually be great for them. So they can retire not telling anyone about the profits. But I am sure it will trigger massive crypto devaluation and bankruptcy for more entities like MSTR or even banks and Treasury. Not only BTC and ETH will dip, bonds too given they are "THE" largest holder.

BioRobotTch

ETH is planning for the post-quantum era, it likely survives. BTC with current blockspace limits would take close to a year to 'rekey' all 50k accounts to post-quantum cryptographic schemes for signatures, If every block was full of users migrating their accounts to new keys. It isn't too late for BTC but it will be in a couple of years. Worrying about Satoshi's coins is the least of BTC's worries.

V_rddit_ot_2007-ma

Put all in BTC. That's it.

Business_Office_7978

Shorting BTC to hedge against stocks!!

Cryptomuscom

BTC and ETH are the easy answers here, everything else is a gamble for that timeframe

StaticAutomatic202

People keep screaming BTC is dead while institutions keep buying... Something worth thinking about

Educational_Cable405

If the goal were killing the flywheel you wouldn't need a price pin at all, you'd just need the mNAV premium to compress toward 1. Saylor's whole engine is issuing stock above the value of the BTC it holds and buying more with the proceeds. Once the stock trades at or under the coins, the ATM stops printing on its own. Spot BTC is almost a side character here, the premium is the motor.

TylerRidge

The ‘lost forever BTC’ assumption keeps getting more fragile every year.

United-Swan-3288

You’re just gambling your families money at this point. The 24h continuous cycle of BTC has reckt soo many people, and can tell you you’re not immune. Also: Uncle Donnie has pumped and dumped the entire market, so all that hype that got folks to buy is now padding his pocket and leaving you in the dust.

TheDigitalPoint

If only there was something public and permanent that let you trace your BTC transactions to the exact day you acquired them. Something like that would be the solution here..

Educational_Cable405

Did this by hand for a couple months back in 2021, sold at every 500 up feeling like a genius, kept a little log and everything. Then BTC ripped like 4k in two days while I was sitting flat, and I spent that whole run buying back in higher than I'd sold. The little wins were real. They just never added up to the one move I scalped myself out of.

biggest_guru_in_town

Yes the same old fad of quick asymmetrical gains. Crypto will look good in comparison and BTC becomes the new gold when it matures and there are no more coins to mine. I see BTC surviving and becoming like literal digital gold,succeeding as a store of value and fulfilling its ultimate goal.

UrbanGrower187

Not my BTC …. I switched to daily DCA about three years ago and haven’t looked back. I buy the same amount every day regardless of price, and I’m up roughly 44% at current levels. I used to make big lump-sum buys, but DCA has been less stressful and more effective for me. Very few people consistently time the market well.

EncrustedBarboach

Damn you could not be more wrong, I know a handful of early bitcoin millionaires and none of them have issues spending their BTC. One of them even went straight to a lamborghini dealer in Miami and purchased a Countach using BTC.

PlutoPlaneta

Well, if BTC goes 15k because of USDT you are going to have that MSTR black swan as a free bonus on top.

Disastrous_Soil3793

Sorry but can't take you seriously when you say you are a HODLer and that the price is driven by sentiment. The price is actually driven by the underlying asset which is Bitcoin. And hey feel free to sell. I just started buying IBIT as BTC is bottoming over the next several months ahead of its next cycle.

pythosynthesis

You're onto Something OP. WallSt is smelling blood with STRC/MSTR and you know what that means. They don't want money from buying BTC cheap, but from STRC/MSTR stock in the gutter. And they're attacking their funding, not so much BTC. If STRC/MSTR cannot run the business because funding is too expensive, they'll need to sell coins to pay for it. And the recent sell of a handful of coins was the canary in the coalmine.

Blade_Runner_69

9day old account, 1 karma point... "Hello I own 8.5 BTC..." Totally believable 🧐

GIGAbtcHodl

Just Bitcoin, nothing else. Our portfolio is the example. 100% BTC treasury

Reach_Beyond

You could easily re-draw those lines to show it has not broken out. But yeah I am pretty heavy in ETH. 50/50 ETH BTC.

Slow-Food-524

BTC is a point to point asset. You do not make money holding it, only selling for more than you bought it for, Is the only way to make money. Forever holds do not make you money.

_adam_smasher_

So now BTC can go up 🚀

susosusosuso

Well, yeah they can do anything they want with USD, that's why you don't want to save on USD but on other assets. Fractional reserves: that happens if you go against the whole purpose of BTC: self custody: not your keys not your coins. The whole point is: you can't have fast payment metods such as Paypal or Visa with blockchain. You just can't because of the trilemma. You can go safer or you can go faster. Also, let's be realistic: people is not going to massively adopt crypto for savings, payments etc... We have the option to do it but it's still an option and after 15 years it's still a very low minority. And it would still be a minority even if it was fast, because it's NOT official money. The point is that I can keep my wealth in BTC and I can transfer it in a decentralized way. That's a reality and it works and it will never be faster than centralized methods. But still I don't care because I don't want to pay stuff in bitcoin.

Ace2021

I paid in BTC then topped up again by re-purchasing the amount immediately. If we want BTC to be useable as money we have to use it as such.

Prnce_Chrmin

> I seriously doubt BTC ever gets above 100k ever again. I mean you have given 0 reason so I will disregard that, but even based on former bears/bulls it could actually take a really long time to get to 100k again, like we could be talking 2 or even 4-5 years..

Prnce_Chrmin

> One good recovery day for BTC someday, and the entire doomer narrative will flip 😒 Like to where? A sudden jump from now 59k like to 85k, then 110k?

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jawni

Yes, but not specifically bullish on BTC. Like in 2022, I was bullish on SOL despite it dropping to single digit prices, because the price was clearly detached from the fundamentals. Right now there are a handful of things I'm bullish on, but the market has matured a bit so none of those are down 80% and the things that *are* down 80% probably deserve it.

Logical_driver_42

Send it but I’d buy 30k worth right now and if it hits 50k buy another 15k if it hits 40k buy another 15k find another 15k if it hits 30k. BTC rewards those who add on aggressively as it goes down