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PrettyQuick

The nice thing about buying a Lambo in the bull market is you can sell it in the bear market and buy BTC so next bull market you can buy more Lambo.

GrandMasterFlushMush

My top three our BTC, XRP, and ETH

wolfofone

This community is weird sometimes. Even with a small investment you will get the same % returns as everyone else. If you dont need the money for at least the next 5-10 years and are okay losing it all then your best bet is buying and holding BTC avoiding leverage or any other complications. Look to minimize fees and only use reputable exchanges. Im not sure what options are available to you in your country so youll need to do your own research starting on the bitcoin beginners sub where I think they have a big list of legit exchanges by country. Find an exchange with the lowest total fees not just to buy but to buy and get your BTC off of the exchange into a wallet only you control.

TheresNoSecondBest

>No-one knows the plan. Also you: "It's a shame BTC never lived up to the plan..."

Accomplished-Sand334

No-one knows the plan. But it sure as shit was not layering. Yes, the WP does not mention the use of layers, but it also does not mention the use of bumblebees. BTC walked to that others can run. Walkers ain't needed today.

Gonky69

Well i mean the vinklevoss twins have been in crypt scene quite early massing a large $ profit over the years and by acquiring the large some of BTC they did back then and such and just a vary of othwr things with thr company idk im tired rn

FitCompetition1804

That’s why I’ve been daily DCA’ing aggressively since February, and doubled up on those amounts last month. Still have limit orders set starting at $53.5k laddering down to $42k. If they don’t execute, at least I’m still in the game. Just started my BTC position this year after waiting for the next bear market to jump in. Hindsight is always 20/20 and maybe the cycle will play out as it usually has and I’ll feel dumb for going with this approach and not maximizing my capital… only time will tell.

notsafeatallforwork

It depends on your time horizon. I bought 6 years ago at $11,500 and considering this is currently a bear market, I did pretty good. According to Gemini, thats over 30% cagr. As the BTC prophets say, it's currently the only asymmetric bet that's gonna tip the scales in our favor.

The_Bitcoin_Act

Honestly the stress isn’t really about BTC, it’s about having a live scoreboard updating in real time. Take that away (mining, DCA, whatever) and the anxiety mostly goes with it. Your candle chart breakdown is painfully accurate btw lol.

flapinux

BTC only until we get QE, then you could add some ETH, the rest of the Alt coin market's simply gambling money that needs monetary policy to give liquidity to make an Alt season happen. So if you allocate 10% or so to gamble with because it's 'fun", wait for a couple years...

TheCryptoJourno

Avoid alts like the plague, they’re done, dead, finito. BTC, maybe a small percentage in ETH

NorthHaverbrookNate

That seems to be the case, just because banks will sell crypto related products to consumers does not mean executives are getting their bonuses in BTC. Who knows, maybe they are, but I haven't heard anything about it

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Realistic-Ad1498

Try harder at uttering complete nonsense and maybe it will work out better next time. Any one asset class can only grow so much. There's no way BTC reaches $1M in 10 years unless the dollar gets cut in half and if the dollar shrinks in value by 50%, everything in the world will all the sudden cost 100% more than it does today including gold and stocks.

Enderbeany

I think the question around fusion is an interesting one. But seeing as the entire global economy is anchored on the cost of energy, BTC’s relative value is irrelevant. In the case of fusion making global energy cheap or free, capitalism itself becomes irrelevant. Our definition of the function of money must change - BTC’s 1.5T market cap isn’t anyone’s concern - the quadrillions elsewhere are. As far as quantum - sort of the same answer. The deployment of quantum computing to attack a 1T market cap doesn’t make sense when the same tech could be used to capture 1Q+ elsewhere. Not saying it’s impossible - it just defies game theory. I fear a revival of feudalism as the real threat with BTC - whereas energy inefficiency is the kind of FUD that is very easily debunked.

makingcryptoeasy

The argument isn’t “miners never need dollars.” It’s that miners earn BTC, so USD debt adds another layer of risk. A miner can be a great operator, but if it earns in BTC and owes dollars, it’s also making a currency bet. BTC-denominated credit is about reducing that mismatch, not pretending fiat expenses don’t exist.

cubeeless

BTC to $400k!

izzity

Just stay with BTC and Etherum you can go wrong

West_Veterinarian150

Heres my take. 30% BTC NOW, 25-30% ETH maybe when it drops to 1500 again later in the year. 7% LINK, 7% QNT, 5% TAO, 5% LTC, last 15-16% can go straight into some stock or maybe even TON coin they offer 17% apy on staking on tangem. Not bad if the price stays at 1.60 but tbh not all in on TON yet. But you could also add UNI, has big boys in there BlackRock

Character-Most1941

I was waiting for 50 or so, but seeing as freakin’ Michael Saylor alone owns like 3-4% of all BTC that he got in the last cycle, I could see that floor being risen quite a bit.

quintavious_danilo

OKX is MICAR licensed in the EU and offers 0.1% fees on BTC spot. Lowest I could find. I switched from Kraken Pro just recently because they increased their fees again.

jcheroske

I really appreciate an actual reply. Is there a plan for BTC to maintain value in the face of changing tech. For instance, if fusion makes energy cheap, is there another proxy for value that's being considered? Or if quantum changes the time part of the equation, what is the plan there. There is a lot of underutilized electricity generation out there. I used to live near a huge hydro dam that also had a shuttered aluminum smelter nearby. I had never really considered the enormous quantity of energy required to make aluminum, but it also was situated to take advantage of what was essentially free energy before transmission loses took their toll. I know BTC mining can be situated similarly.

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Post is by: HamdyTheHammer and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1ux68ct/market_read_do_with_that_whatever_you_like/ **Read: A Tightly Coiled Spring.** Bitcoin ETF flows currently stand at **-$425M per day (-$493M over the past 5 days)**, pointing to continued institutional distribution. At the same time, **BTC exchange netflows are +1,068**, indicating that more coins are moving onto exchanges, increasing potential sell-side pressure. The **BTC options Put/Call Ratio is 1.66 (Buy/Sell: 1.75)**, reflecting a put-heavy market with net buying of downside protection. Meanwhile, the **term structure has steepened to -3.6**, making near-term implied volatility relatively cheap—a classic “calm before the storm” setup. Ethereum is showing a notable divergence: with a **netflow of -6,547 and call-heavy positioning**, ETH continues to be accumulated, acting as a counterpoint to Bitcoin. **Synthesis:** The market is currently compressed into a low-volatility range, pinned by dealer gamma while distribution and hedging demand continue to build beneath the surface. This is the classic setup that often precedes a volatility expansion: compressed implied volatility, a strong GEX pin, increasing put demand, and ongoing distribution. The hedged and suppressed side of the market remains to the downside. At the same time, this compression can resolve in either direction—the data does **not** provide an honest directional forecast. **Honest Take:** This is a **structural market read**, not a prediction. Positioning currently carries a modest bearish bias, but it is **not** a directional call. The key trigger remains the **GEX flip level at 63,000**. Above that level, dealer pinning is likely to continue suppressing volatility. Below it, the pin begins to unwind, market damping fades, and price movements can accelerate significantly. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

Jorsa9_2026

El DCA se hace siempre y cuando hay caidas muy fuertes, se mete más, aparte del DCA. Si no, te vas quedando fuera esperando esa caida... Y ni te cuento si no la llegas a ver a tiempo y se te va... Por lo que recuerdo, los pisos de BTC siempre son latigazos muy rapidos y ya despues no vuelve más.

HamdyTheHammer

patience is never wrong: heres my analysis, hope it can help you: **Read: A Tightly Coiled Spring.** Bitcoin ETF flows currently stand at **-$425M per day (-$493M over the past 5 days)**, pointing to continued institutional distribution. At the same time, **BTC exchange netflows are +1,068**, indicating that more coins are moving onto exchanges, increasing potential sell-side pressure. The **BTC options Put/Call Ratio is 1.66 (Buy/Sell: 1.75)**, reflecting a put-heavy market with net buying of downside protection. Meanwhile, the **term structure has steepened to -3.6**, making near-term implied volatility relatively cheap—a classic “calm before the storm” setup. Ethereum is showing a notable divergence: with a **netflow of -6,547 and call-heavy positioning**, ETH continues to be accumulated, acting as a counterpoint to Bitcoin. **Synthesis:** The market is currently compressed into a low-volatility range, pinned by dealer gamma while distribution and hedging demand continue to build beneath the surface. This is the classic setup that often precedes a volatility expansion: compressed implied volatility, a strong GEX pin, increasing put demand, and ongoing distribution. The hedged and suppressed side of the market remains to the downside. At the same time, this compression can resolve in either direction—the data does **not** provide an honest directional forecast. **Honest Take:** This is a **structural market read**, not a prediction. Positioning currently carries a modest bearish bias, but it is **not** a directional call. The key trigger remains the **GEX flip level at 63,000**. Above that level, dealer pinning is likely to continue suppressing volatility. Below it, the pin begins to unwind, market damping fades, and price movements can accelerate significantly.

DwightsShirtGuy

This looks like a depiction of how a 14 year old who’s under the influence of the Man-o-sphere views BTC.

still-father

Forget alts. Accumulate BTC with post-only limit orders at local lows.

Odd-Fun-1482

you KNOW S&P will recover. You don't know if Bitcoin will, and if it does, it's relative to the growth/recovery of the S&P. Sorry lads, but BTC relies on institutional millions to move at this marketcap. and BTC will always be a side satellite fund for these institutons, S&P will always come firs, always recovery first.

PrettyQuick

Keep half in BTC/ETH and maybe SOL. Put the rest in a all world ETF. Don't go gambling this money away now.

Odd-Fun-1482

This. Fill your trad-fi stuff with the right growth ETFs treat BTC as a satellite

Fortknightdad2231

I'd keep most in BTC and ETH, put a smaller amount into a few alts, and diversify outside crypto too. I use nexo for earning on part of my holdings too, but try to diversify

The_Bitcoin_Act

It depends, but weighted by age. Your 20s are the one window where you can actually afford BTC’s volatility — time to recover from drawdowns the S&P doesn’t even come close to producing. The real variable isn’t returns, it’s whether you have the temperament to hold through -75% without panic-selling. That’s not a finance question, it’s a psychology one. Not financial advice!

AvailableTie6834

you could try.... vempradig which is a brazilian p2p you can do a bank transfer in usd the prices are all from binance and it starts for 6% for BTC that decreases the bigger the transaction, also the prices are all in BRL, so you might want to convert BRL to USD and see how much in BRL you want to purchase with USD.

Mattie_Kadlec

He gonna be so pissed when BTC hits $1M

Ir0nic

If you want crypto, buy ETH. If you ask why, just look at the ETH/BTC chart.

MotanulScotishFold

In my experience, BTC and ETH always performed better than a random Altcoin. It's just a gamble and you risk putting money into some that will not perform as expected and goes -99%. There are plenty of it that are dead. Ethereum last time I bought was at 1550 less than a month ago, now it's 1900. I know Ethereum almost touched 5000$ last time, why makes you think it will not? Bitcoin same, 120k For alts? some do, some don't.

SecureWriting8589

Today's alts are 2022's NFTs. I would diversify: stocks funds, individual stocks, GLD fund, BTC and ETF at ratios that make you comfortable.

MotanulScotishFold

Alts are a gamble. I wouldn't waste money on a gamble. Play safe go for BTC/ETH.

OneMiners_Marc

For a $20 long-term investment, leverage isn’t worth the liquidation risk. Buy spot BTC, choose a platform with low fees, and treat it as a learning investment, not a shortcut to big returns.

argoran87

Yeah, I don't think it'll be that extreme either, but $30k–40k seems realistic. Let Saylor sell half of his BTC, that alone would shake up the market quite a bit.

AvailableTie6834

this is usually the price you gotta pay for no KYC. P2Pers have to buy BTC without kyc too, so having to find deals, OTCers that usually ask for like 2 - 3% too then what is left over for the P2Pers? of course they will ask for at least 4% minimum.

Bitches172882

Memecoins didn’t disappear. The liquidity just consolidated,, in 2021 almost anything with a dog logo could run. Now attention rotates so fast that 99% die before they even get listed anywhere meaningful… you can this pattern out side of crypto as well. BTC feels less exciting, but it’s the only thing I sleep well holding

jgarcya

The four year cycle is measured low to low.. You won't know the low when it is in... Until BTC doesn't go lower. I don't care if that is in October, November, or December. I'm buying in January 2027. Then I will have two more years to accumulate before the next ATH in year 2029. By doing so ... I will be buying around the low of the cycle... There is no need to buy the exact low... I'll be close enough . I do this every cycle with amazing results!

LevelStationaryPlane

I'm doing both and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't more impressed with the S&P500. I keep a set amount of BTC, and have yet to feel wrong for not adding to it for the last year or so lmao.

Civil_Pin_9682

$20 is just not enough, let's say BTC doubles the next year, which is highly unlikely, you will have $40. Then what, with all the fees you might have like 13-14$ profit lol. And that's best case scenario. Even extreme long term like 20-30 years that $20 isn't enough to give you something in return. I would probably take that $20 at get drunk. Or buy lottery tickets with it, who knows. Or put it on red or black on the roulette wheel.

Fortune_Donut7432

Like any investment, there is risk. Your question actually is, is the risk better be taken on BTC or S&P500 ? The fact is that, with the right momentum, you can earn way more, way faster on BTC. It is also a matter of strategy, of means, of sanity preservation, let's not forget that. But you can earn faster from BTC.

AriesThef0x

There is clearly that aspect of self-fulfilling prophecy that you mentioned, but it is also enabled by macro conditions. If you zoom out to a one year chart, and consider the state of the global/US economy, BTC looks quite poised for a short choppy upswing, and then another sharp downturn in Sept/Oct. I’m never going to try and short BTC, but I am satisfied with stacking in this range for the next few months and will continue to build some cash reserves for if it does continue to fall.

Realistic_Support185

Ngl BTC hasn’t been very volatile the last month or two

BroncoBucky

Because my burger will cost 80% more in the global reserve currency by that time and it will cost 150% less BTC. The numbers are made up but the point is BTC won't go anywhere because it's the only thing that makes sense to retain your wealth.

MadeInSilence-

Durch meinen arbeitskollegen. Hab die ersten 3jahre nur gezweifel und mich informiert über BTC. Ich habe alles hinterfragt und habe bücher gelesen wie broken money. Filme geschaut und alles mit KI reflektiert. So kam ich dazu BTC besser zu verstehen und nun feste zu investieren. Bitcoin bedeutet für mich freiheit

Itchy-Acanthaceae841

„Something happens in the world“ BTC drops 351937919%. Wtf is this shit.

Remarkable_Access221

Then, when you think everything bottoms already, BTC maybe at its lowest somewhere in the second week of Oct, then, you can start buying cryptos again! Time the cycle folks!

J5966358

Serious question. Does a difference of say 0.1 percent make an actual differrnce in your performance? Like for one full BTC acquired the difference is like 50 Euros or so. Instead should one choose their exchange by other factors like reputation etc.? 

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TheresNoSecondBest

>It's a shame BTC never lived up to the plan and that additional layers is needed to make it viable. It was never the plan to use exclusively on-chain. Satoshi was talking about layers since the beginning, mate. He described something similar to r/thelightningnetwork long time ago. https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CANEZrP2PEB8n_Ov1bXi_ZoAkLwfz7_JtM9PPHr+8ei5KCgwdEg@mail.gmail.com/

Accomplished-Sand334

It's a shame BTC never lived up to the plan and that additional layers is needed to make it viable.

No_Investigator3369

since 2018 I sold my house put the 200k in proceeds in BTC . basically back tested it against sp500 and it's roughly the same tbh. need a longer time horizon tbh.

Delgra

this guy gets it. All the pennies that ever will be are in circulation, price can only go up!! That’s how it works for crypto release right? Once that last BTC is mined, to the moon!!

SiweL_EttaL

Personally i would play 70% S&P and 30% BTC. The S&P is your growth and savings acc and BTC can pump your bags but its also way more risk.

PuzzleheadedBar2838

You have to realize that you're asking this in a BTC echo chamber. Personally, I'm holding both BTC and globally diversified ETFs but much more in the latter. We can make a much more robust estimate of where the world market goes than where BTC goes. And I'm not willing to take much more risk for a potentially higher gain, but that's up to each person themselves.

WeakEstablishment686

Yep, same. Investing for 13 years now and can afford to take higher upside investments like BTC. At this point it feels risky to not invest at least 5-10% into it imo.

cool-lala

Hedge in BTC and gld 50 50 think about it why would China been dumping US treasury for decades now same goes for Russia and India too and Middle East too been dumping for long now and going in GLD. Russia and China has largest gold purchases in years now. Two points do make a trend bru

Darkpriest667

Amen, this is a Bitcoin sub, but I like to think most of us are reasonable and I am definitely all in on bitcoin but I had a pretty healthy 401k and HSA already. I also make enough to max them both and use my BTC as my savings.

lemons714

Great decision, they are only down 50% from where they would have liquidated if they followed their previous process. Is Saylor doing their BTC management?

tunnelfunnels

I moved me and my wife’s 401k and entire savings into BTC in 2020. It’s okay, sometimes I wish I was more diversified but I’m also a one trick pony and have a problem not understanding exactly what I’m buying in an index.

balazra

I did sell and paid my taxes at a rate of 20%… I bought back in a month ago and now have nearly 3x the BTC I started with 6 years ago but I’ve already paid all the taxes at a lower rate than I will if the Labour govt stay in and tax me at a minimum 30%… they have just changed the tax regulations in my area… making it far higher tax wise. My initial investment was 5k - 1 BTC (2020 initial buy in.) I have sold and re bought in 3 times. I currently have a little over 3 BTC and have paid an average of 20% CGT. I reinvested last month and bought just over 3 BTC. That’s about 5k to 180k after taxes have been paid on the gains. Let’s see what it does over the next 2-4 years…

WeakEstablishment686

Very good advice. Please listen to this. 1. 401k match: Fund your 401k up to the match if your company offers. This is free money. For example if you make $50k and your company matches 5%, you should at minimum put in $2.5k to your 401k to get the $2.5k match. The money you fund (eg $2.5k or more) will also reduce your taxable income for the year. A 401k is double tax advantaged, providing tax deductible contributions and tax deferred growth. 2A. HSA: You’re young so you can provably do a high deductible health plan which might offer a health savings account (HSA). The cap on this is $4.4k a year and is TRIPLE tax advantaged. Tax deductible contributions, tax free growth, tax free withdrawals (for medical expenses). 2B. Roth IRA: Double tax advantaged providing tax free growth and tax free withdrawals (you fund with after tax money). Excellent account to buy either VOO, QQQM, IBIT or a combination of those for diversified exposure / tilt. 3. If you have leftover money, open a brokerage account. You can choose to fund this or max your 401k. If you’re making good money and will have a stable job, I like maxing 401k and then funding a brokerage to buy growth ETFs. Or use this to buy BTC or a mix. Just be careful, try to get good exposure to the overall US stock market (50%+) and the remaining depending on your risk tolerance you can buy BTC at its near lows these next few months, buy VXUS for international exposure, QQQM for tech tilt, etc.

Objective-Choice6518

You kyc USDT in some blockchain, then you lose then in a boat accident  Then whoever finds that USDT on the bottom of the lake use It to buy BTC using a DEX or cross-chain swap

Remarkable_Wish_5106

BTC should be 2-5% at most. It produces no income and might not even survive AI and quantum computing. It's pure risk with just so many unknowns. In fact, the investment world doesn't even know what function it serves in a portfolio at this point.

AcrobaticEdge5165

Some people just have too much time on their hands. I'm happy holding my BTC long term while exploring new ways to use it. TBVs are still in testnet, but they have a lot of potential.

Few_Response_7028

I’m 100% BTC cold storage since 2020. It’s working great

Important_Neck_2122

You can purchase and hold BTC in an account on Moomoo trading app. It's federally insured and don't need a cold wallet etc to retain it here!! I hold a decent amount in a cold wallet and on Moomoo as well.

brandnewmoo

You should buy BTC unless you’re willing to lose every dollar that you put in it. (I hold some bitcoin). I literally could go to zero in 20 years. Or it might explode. Who knows.

ScurvyDawg

BTC over the Lightening Network was seriously impressive to me.

Previous_Blueberry_5

Goddamn I love this. Eventually BTC will change every industry.

thats_gotta_be_AI

lol ok. That’s like me replying to you saying ultimately BTC will rise after your prediction because of a future halving. I responded to a post that was out of date even as it was posted.

Knerd5

Not to mention gold has a minimum 6% buy/sell spread, but often higher. USD in a treasury EFT won't lose all that much purchasing power either. Considering how poorly BTC has performed the last two halvings, it's hard not to think diminishing returns are gonna neuter its outperformance even more unfortunately.

GlockenspielVentura

To answer your question OP, there are two trains of thought when it comes to the Bitcoin bottom. The first train of thought is based on a grand, optimistic narrative that strategy buying, spot ETFs, and increased global adoption will invalidate the typical four year cycle thesis and there will be a bottom that is unprecedentedly shallower than any other time in history. The second train of thought is the more traditional, cyclical view that Bitcoin bottoms either through time-based or price-based capitulation, and a realistic but optimistic estimation would have BTC bottoming around 40k. I guess as a bonus the 3rd camp would be the sub 70 IQ crowd calling for 0-20k because to them, Bitcoin dies every 4 years.

Some-Platform1968

USD fell 10% since Liberation day, though it’s come back a little. Gold is down 20% since hitting the high. And BTC is down almost 50% from highs. And only one of these is FDIC insured. How is this even a question?

No_Investigator3369

drugs. the silk road. you would use something like localbitcoins to find someone to wire money to, get money on your wallet. Tumble it out to your SR wallet address and then the world was your oyster. The thought process was that the transaction occurred so quickly that the feds 1. would not be able to track, trace, etc to you. everyone was big on using Tails back then. booting to a USB with all their dirt there 2. using USPS meant they would need a warrant which would also take too long giving you early warning bells if your address was burnt whereas FedEx and ups being a private company could just open you pkg on suspicion alone. 3. every time you bought.... 2 weeks later your leftover "change" had doubled and every 3rd buy it was like buy é get 1 free. it's too bad I didn't understand the get rich part of this. I was definitely buying $30 BTC at my cheapest. but then just smoking and snorting it away.

EuphoricBottle3399

That isn’t the market freezing, it’s the UI flattening tiny moves on a wildly zoomed-in chart. Betting on 15-minute BTC candles is the sketchy part

FitCompetition1804

5 years ago was the peak of that cycle’s bull market where we saw BTC reach similar levels to where we are currently in this cycle’s bear market.

callfckingdispatch

How much BTC are you trying to buy?

IM-PT24

Lol. Sure they would send you a letter, and sure the funds would be sent to the state. That's a basic scam attempt... Later they will tell you that there is 10 BTC on the account and you have to pay a unfreezing fee of $1000

The_Bitcoin_Act

Drops are fast because leveraged positions get liquidated in cascades, forcing sells that trigger more sells within minutes. Rallies are slower because buying takes deliberation, while panic-selling is reflexive. Thin order books also mean a wave of selling blows through support fast, but rebuilding a rally needs sustained demand over days, not one moment. None of this is unique to Bitcoin, it’s just amplified by 24/7 trading and easy leverage. At $15K in, try not to read too much into this asymmetry, it’s about market mechanics, not a signal on where BTC is headed.

ahhhaccountname

How is it a good thing for BTC to have a company own 5% of it? At what point would it be bad? If they had 20%?

The_Bitcoin_Act

If your uncle gave you a seed phrase, hardware wallet, or private keys, that already is the money, whoever holds those controls the funds. Priorities: **•** Never type your seed phrase into a website, app, or send it to anyone (support agents, “recovery experts,” family friends), this is the #1 scam vector against inexperienced heirs. **•** If you’re unsure the wallet is secure, first move funds to a new wallet only you control before doing anything else. **•** If it’s already sitting on an exchange in his name, that’s a separate (harder) problem, you’ll need to go through the exchange’s estate/deceased-account process, likely with a death certificate and probate documents. For tax purposes, inherited crypto typically gets a “stepped-up basis”, your cost basis becomes the fair market value on your uncle’s date of death, not what he originally paid. Write down that date and BTC’s price that day (screenshot a reputable price source). This is what determines your taxable gain/loss when you sell, not the $80K today. To sell your BTC, do you care about privacy?

Yesthisisdogmeow

Hind sight 20/20. Was mark cuban saying this when BtC was hitting all time high? Or is he like everyone else and kicking BTC when it’s already down? I have no idea if BTC will ever reach its ATH again or not but I do know the money printer will never stop. I started buying about a year ago so I’m currently down. I have been DCA a set amount each month. My average cost is going down. Full disclosure. Will see how this all plays out over the next few years.

AcrobaticEdge5165

Understanding bitcoin is just the beginning. It's also worth paying attention to how native BTC continues to evolve beyond simply buying and holding.

Perfect-Emu3027

The question is, what did the drug dealers do with so much BTC?

r361k

People think its going to go down because its what happened in the past. The same people somehow fail to realize that the last ATH wasn't nearly as high as previous ones in terms of percentages. Looking at the prior bear markets, BTC in terms of price fell to around the 200 week moving average. This is where we are right now in terms of price. The percentage it took in prior bull and bear markets was a bigger number due to the blow off tops we saw the past few cycles. I think those waiting for another 30% decrease are going to be really disappointed.

el_rico_pavo_real

Oh, so the guy who has spent the last 5 years working his ass off to educate the world on BTC, and whose company has purchased over 840K BTC is all the sudden a pariah? You guys are so lame.

Hypnotic101

During the last four years we've had the worst inflation this country's seen in a long time, yet BTC's performance has been the worst cycle yet. Folks like Mark Cuban say that it has effectively failed it's thesis as a store of value & hedge against inflation. What's your thoughts on that?

Gr8WallofChinatown

CPI data is a lagging indicator. The oil prices are rising and so will CPI. When this conflict continues and the USA has to keep dipping into its strategic reserves (which it already is), it’s going to skyrocket in prices (oil) and CPI will increase. Interest rates will need to be hiked. BTC is going to get slaughtered even more

DarrelXero

No, I want to understand why you think you can mine Bitcoin profitably using hosted mining. That's what I said originally. I know it can't be done. I want to see why you think it can. \[HARDWARE & SETUP\] Number of Units: 12 Total Hashrate: 3,240 TH/s (3.24 PH/s) Unit Cost: $5,000.00 Total CapEx: $60,000.00 \[BASE ASSUMPTIONS\] BTC Price: $64,500.00 Hashprice: $46.75 / PH / day Pool Fee: 2.50% (FPPS) Hosting Cost: $225.00 / machine / month ($2,700.00/mo total) \[REVENUE & FEES (BTC & USD)\] Gross Revenue (Pre-Pool Fee): Daily: 0.00234837 BTC ($151.47) Monthly: 0.07142965 BTC ($4,607.21) Yearly: 0.85715581 BTC ($55,286.55) Pool Fees (2.5%): Daily: 0.00005871 BTC ($3.79) Monthly: 0.00178574 BTC ($115.18) Yearly: 0.02142890 BTC ($1,382.16) Post-Fee Gross (Deposited to Wallet): Daily: 0.00228966 BTC ($147.68) Monthly: 0.07014391 BTC ($4,492.03) Yearly: 0.83572691 BTC ($53,904.39) \[OPERATING COSTS\] Hosting Expenses: Daily: 0.00137623 BTC ($88.77) Monthly: 0.04186047 BTC ($2,700.00) Yearly: 0.50232558 BTC ($32,400.00) \[NET PROFIT (PRE-TAX)\] Net Earnings: Daily: 0.00091343 BTC ($58.92) Monthly: 0.02778344 BTC ($1,792.03) Yearly: 0.33340134 BTC ($21,504.39) \[ESTIMATED TAX RAMIFICATIONS (22% FED MARGINAL)\] Self-Employment Tax (15.3% of 92.35%): $3,038.56 Federal Income Tax (22% Bracket): $4,396.65 Total Annual Tax Liability: $7,435.21 Annual Take-Home Profit (Post-Tax Net): $14,069.18 CapEx Payback Period (Break-even) Total CapEx: $60,000.00 Pre-Tax Net Income: $21,504.39 / year ($1,792.03 / month) Post-Tax Net Income: $14,069.18 / year ($1,172.43 / month) Pre-Tax Payback Time: 33.5 months (\~2.8 years) Post-Tax Payback Time: 51.2 months (\~4.3 years) \* Post-Tax Payback Time: 56.3 months (\~4.7 years) assuming conservative 3% compound monthly growth in network difficulty \* With an expected economic lifespan of 3-5 years for an S21 XP, no downtime whatsoever or increase in hosting charges, there is a very good chance you will never break even on your investment. If you intend to attempt to recoup some of the money by selling the miner after 5 years it will basically be worthless plus here will charges associated with decommissioning and shipping the old units. This is of course assuming you didn't take full depreciation which would preclude you from being able to recoup anything.

apply75

Same happened to me with atomic... everything and they are trying to erase everything online about it..BTC foundation needed to make an official wallet that is only download from one place...in my opinion all BTC will be stolen...it's part of the great takening the powers that be want to be able to control or yank your funds at any time. They want you not to pay your property tax one time so they can sell your $400k home for $100k and take the $5k in tax u owe and give u 95k back ..you bought and fixed your home over 30 years you paid all the interest and now you forget one payment because your got sick or busy or someone you love was dying and no one cares...sell their house for nothing and collect the tax

BrokenHefaistos

Oh I beleive you, but it's far from ideal as in a fair market it would be us affecting the price, so there you have it BTC became as rigged as wallstreet. Or the other way around.