BTC

True_Bodybuilder8095

To be fair, buying billions of BTC probably does more for adoption than most dev donations ever could, but it's still a fair question.

nsbhq

My college roommate told me about it in 2017-2018. I just didn’t understand what scarcity was. Every time it rose in price he told me about it. In 2020-21 I did $10 a week and was surprised it rose and wish I’d bought more but still didn’t understand it. Saw what happened last year and did more research and was ashamed I didn’t understand sooner. Now I buy because I’m not missing out on this again. The more research I did lead me to become more stoic on BTC. I wish I understood sooner, I get my Sats now at the price I deserve like everyone else. I hold because the fact there’s only 21 million; idk why but when I understood that, that’s when everything clicked in my head.

normie_girl

because BTC is based on literally nothing but vibes

Hot-Clerk645

Recently I've come across some on-chain data that made me question that view. BTC balances are reportedly near multi-year lows, and around 440k BTC have left exchanges over the past year and only about 2.5 million BTC remain on trading platforms. That obviously doesn't prove a rally is coming, but if smart money was really heading for the exits, I'd expect exchange balances to be rising rather than falling. To me that looks more like long-term accumulation than distribution.

Calm_Situation_1131

Strategy sold a measly 32 BTC and crashed the market and their shares. What happens if they sell $10B of BTC to satisfy their liabilities? Would other DATs also fail? Would other BTC holders front run this? $54B of BTC might be worth a fraction of that in the near future but Strategy continues to owe $1.6B a year forever. We have found this cycle's forced sellers.

Competitive_Try_2719

Wasn’t BTC supposed to be 1 million by December 2025 according to many experts?

Senior-Public2922

BTC is a bottomless shitcoin, just like every other crypto out there.

Dettol-tasting-menu

Cycles, Clarity Acts, ATH… it’s all short term thinking. If holding 6 BTC \*\*long term\*\* gives you nervous breakdown, reduce your holding to 4, or 3… but once you have decided the appropriate stake, keep it long term and do not second guess yourself. Not sure if you truly understand bitcoin. If you simply see it as a rally waiting to double your money then your nervousness is understandable. Like the other said, read The Bitcoin Standard and understand what money really should be, and how Bitcoin is really close to being the perfect money. Once it clicks you will feel a lot more at ease during down times like this. Good luck.

CH1974

Elon does things, BTC doesn't do things

thersdriver

Not him telling everyone that BTC will crash sub 30k

Few_Slip_4752

Why not put a little money into a BTC short ETF? Put $1000-10000in to SBIT and see if a true downturn materiaizes. If it does, you'll be making 2x on your $1k and you'll feel better that you have a little hedge and if not, not.

WeakEstablishment686

No problem! Just for reference, I’m 35 and strongly believe in BTC, but also “only” have a 10% allocation. To some in this subreddit that might be tiny, to 100% index fund people this is massive and irresponsible. I’m continuing to add here as it stays beaten down and forgotten. AI and chip stocks are flying but buying strong assets at 50% discounts usually pays off. Greed when there is fear.

Compoundznuts

Maybe just buy BTC etf or buy it on a brokerage website

Realistic-Ad1498

If over half my portfolio was BTC I’d sell a large chuck. I own some BTC but it’s like 2% of my portfolio. Anything above 10% I might as well be gambling.

WeakEstablishment686

A couple things: 1. If you’re young and have stable income, continue to invest but diversify into an all market ETF or some strong individual stocks (Google amazon etc). 2. I wouldn’t necessarily say you need to sell a portion of BTC, but I think with any asset, it’s slightly foolish to think we can predict exactly when the next bull run will take place. Bitcoin could be special, and it’s proven it multiple times to follow a scarily similar pattern, but nothing says we can’t stay at these levels or lower past October. I wouldn’t expect that, but there’s a non zero risk. Having 100% of your money in anything comes with some risk, just depends on your age and appetite.

MarioWilson122

Well, if it was mainly BTC, then it was a great move. But if it was most other stuff, then it would’ve been a brutal ride all the way.

Realistic-Ad1498

Your OP and comments sound like nonsense. You bought awhile back…. OK…. When? You sold almost everything else except half a million in BTC. Right…. What happened to everything else? Will try to take profits when it goes up again? Up how much? 10%, 25%, 100%? No liquidity…. In the most liquid asset in existence.

OrdinaryWatch2

Hold! Look at SpaceX biggest pump and dump ever and they have BTC.

MicroAlloyDiffusion

I’ve been buying and selling since 2011. BTC will hit a new ATH in the next cycle like it always does. The question is can you wait 4 years?

Kitchen_Net_GME

I think somewhere in the low to mid 50K range as well. We may have hit bottom. But we could go down to that spot. We spent quite a bit of consolidation in the price range we are currently in during 2024. I also think BTC is becoming less volume (relative to its past). I just don’t see us dropping 75% from our last all time high. Considering our last upward cycle was far less parabolic than previous rallies (percentage wise). I also think the last downward cycle should have bottomed out at $21K. Which would have been a 68% drop. But then the FTX disaster happened.

Realistic-Ad1498

You buy at the bottom and sell at the top and then alternate between BTC and HYSA. Sure….

DayJob93

If you’re still young, hold your BTC. Buy MSTR leaps to take advantage of cycle upswings.

theClaw66

The market is dumping money into everything A.I. - once that finishes, near end of 2026, BTC will come back, it's how it goes.

bdemon40

1. NEVER say how much BTC you have publicly. [This video](https://youtu.be/76lucU9xQX8?si=wc06KpkXhOMV6RJN) will help you understand why. 2. Read The Bitcoin Standard, Broken Money, Satoshi's Gift, etc. to help you understand what you're holding and decide how you wanna proceed.

substandard2

Sell half. Put it into s&p or a retirement account. Keep the rest as lotto tickets. I had way more than that and sold half for rentals and index funds. Most of the people here are sitting on less than 1 and pretend they will be driving lambos on the moon, while the rest of the world is losing interest in BTC.

Jogi1811

The plan this time around is to keep buying every paycheque between now until it starts to climb. Then I start investing in my 6 core etfs again. When BTC has gained enough I will sell and diversify the proceeds. When BTC bottoms again during the next cycle I just repeat until the cycle stops working for me.

scul86

u/RemindMeBot 5 years "BTC $64,637 - ETH $1,755"

dataCollector42069

Except how do they pay off the loans eventually without selling BTC and taking a massive haircut

stheodore1974

There are so many things to invest in that appear shiny, but BTC is a fundamental asset class and isn’t going anywhere. That being said, we probably aren’t done with the bear market yet.

Long_Disaster_6847

Borrow at a max of 20% LTV, make sure the interest charged stays around 4-6% and use the money to buy covered call ETFs that have no nav erosion and yield 10-12% The dividend should cover the interest charged and also lower the principal resulting in a paid off loan in the long run l while you keep your BTC and your covered call etf as a cash flowing asset Think of how wealthy people get loans against their assets to make buy something that makes them more money but in this case your using BTC which is obviously more volatile so you gotta be way more careful

dj_destroyer

People will also complain when BTC is at $200k and up 250% over the last 12 months but STRC holders "only" earned 12% lol RemindMe! 2 years

PAIDMAY

Bankruptcy attorney stated my current BTC would be protected during a filing. (CA) I’m also referring to purchasing BTC after a bankruptcy. Pay off debt, or file bankruptcy because screw the fiat system

Reasonable_Band1536

All you can control is your response to the price and if you’re weak minded, this is not an investment for you. Finally, I suggest reading up on Diogenes. He would laugh at some people’s attachment to BTC. He may even go so far as to call them a prisoner to the “promise of fortune.” Just keep buying and go live your life properly.

Jogi1811

Currently all in BTC leveraged/covered call ETF. Only because price dropped 80% and we are in the low cycle of BTC and if it continues to follow its historic cycles should start to go back up by October of next year 6 months before the halving happens. If this continues to happen at somewhere near the top I will cash out and re-diversify my holding into 6 core etfs and 1 aggressive play again. Basically wash rinse and repeat if the cycle continues.

Long_Disaster_6847

I’m looking into doing a carry trade Borrowing BTC at 20-25% LTV, pay the interest at around 4-5% at least on Coinbase and use the funds to buy something like SPYI that yields 10-12% and use those dividends to pay off that loan or once the LTV comes down to 15%, borrow some more to bring it back up to 20-25% and rinse and repeat. The extra amount on the yield would pay off the interest that’s charged and also lower the principal resulting in ever lower interest charges every month BTC would have to drop 60-80% for it to reach the liquidation LTV of 86% before they begin liquidating my position Small account at $100 right now of BTC so it’s just play money and seeing if this works without putting myself in a bad position.

Long_Disaster_6847

You could try doing a carry trade Borrow BTC and always keep the ltv low at 20-25% and use those funds to buy a covered calls etf like SPYI that yields 10-12% and just pay back the loan Once the ltv reaches 15% ish you can borrow more and buy more SPYI and rinse and repeat When you have enough cash flow coming in you could just dedicate it to pay off the whole balance you borrowed and keep SPYI or similar ETF(s) as a cash flowing asset for every day purchases Don’t just let it sit in your bank account, if your interest rate is 4-7% to borrow, find something that yields higher than that plus a little bit more to account for taxes and inflation

Atmacrush

US holds a lot of BTC so... they'll still be helping US in a way.

cm1430

Btc lending artificial creates more BTC which is bad for the price though. think of it this way. Let's say mstr lends all its btc out and has 800k in btc iou And someone sells it on the open market all in a month. What happens to the price? Btc lending will essentially create the large direct btc shorting market ever

Educational_Cable405

Almost none of that $1,600 is people hearing Warsh and deciding to sell. It's headline-scanning algos firing on the hawkish words in milliseconds, tripping stops on leveraged perp longs, and the liquidations cascade through whatever thin book is sitting there. BTC takes it first and hardest because it's the most liquid thing trading 24/7, so it concentrates a reaction that's more spread out in slower markets. The candle size mostly tells you how levered the book was at that minute, not how much his words actually carried.

MathematicianFar44

Keep the 6 months in fiat. Emergency funds exist for emergencies, job loss, medical bills, unexpected repairs. Bitcoin can drop 40% in a month and if that happens the week your boiler breaks you’re selling at the worst possible time. The whole point of an emergency fund is that it’s stable and accessible, not that it’s working hard for you. Once that’s locked away and untouchable, anything you save beyond that is fair game for BTC. The two serve completely different purposes.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

Ms_TitAdorable

Good point. Stablecoins have become such a large part of the market that including them can make BTC dominance look higher than it really is.

KateR_H0l1day

Because now you can pull profits from stocks and buy BTC much cheaper than when it’s in the bull market! So many will get left holding when the stock market has a correction, which it surely will. Just a question of when to sell & when to buy, that’s the basis for the game we’re all playing.

Minimum-Let5766

Bitcoin Core is a node, and a wallet for sending/receiving BTC to other wallets. It doesn't have the ability to exchange currency for BTC.

FreshMistletoe

Idk I’m sick of it though, it can’t be a proxy bet on every financial market in the world and the state of affairs everywhere in the world.  Come on BTC show us your strength.  And it hasn’t just been in the bear market either, it was doing this shit in the tepid bull market we had also.

God_Hand_9764

How are these insane endless quantities of BTC even available OTC in the first place?

Digital_Oceans

A BTC cycle, that your proposing doesn’t align with any other cycle, so isn’t a cycle, and that’s driven by one of events like the clarity act that aren’t cyclical?

Evrim2816

https://preview.redd.it/7kruzjj4dx7h1.png?width=590&format=png&auto=webp&s=b52ddafdf3dfaaaf3b787a1cbd310d64e946b223 I don't think so. I made a profit in the BTC market yesterday.

Myntad_com

1 BTC = 1 BTC There are no profits to take.

Fizzy_Arctic

We are seeing mass sell offs everywhere. A rebalancing due to space x, AI and AI infra phase. Once the dust settles people will start to think about BTC again. Bullish now because it is bearish for many reasons that don’t stay that way.

Dr_Jecky1l

I know this is Reddit, but we’re dealing with first timers everyday here… he posted a genuine question… 90% of posts so far are to go balls deep in BTC — OP and anyone else posting questions like this are just learning, and deserve a truthful answer… We don’t need more average people loosing in retail, to make the rich, keep scraping up the bags of the poor in this economy. I think you can feel that.

Leithm

This is a very good question, and was an improbable outcome from an improbable history. The small blockers won the blocksize wars in 2017,  so people who thought cryptocurrency should actually be useful went looking for something else.  This was a tragedy that crypto still hasn’t recovered from. A lot of people don’t realise Doge was one of the few functioning stable and cheap coins to use when fees blew up on BTC. Eth was easier to code and its price went 100x in 2017.   Unfortunately Eth/EVM Account based cryptos are very hard to scale. So we are left with a world where everyone knows this is world changing technology but as someone put it we created the financial tools without defining a robust underlying currency. Crypto needs to be UTXO for scale and proof of work for hard money characteristics as starting point in my view but that is not where the users are, yet.

Dr_Jecky1l

No - first rule of investing in crypto (even BTC - honestly in any case) make sure you have an emergency fund for backup… Something like 65% of Americans don’t have funds to cover 3-6 months rent if they lost their job. Let’s be honest, there are toons of unforeseen circumstances that can happen overnight no matter how diligent you are ; car accidents, physical health issues, home repair etc etc… It’s up to you what you do with your money, but having money saved for emergencies is absolutely a first priority no brainer… Let’s say you did move everything you had into BTC — and then something happens… you’re forced to sell (probably at a loss, and then even if not your dealing with a capital gain tax…) Investing in crypto especially should be only with money you can afford to lose… don’t take my word for it though.. DYOR.

MrJJK79

It’s either BTC or fiat I believe anyway. No other forms of investment exist

Phylaras

It's a sovereign currency devaluation hedge. That is one cause for inflation. BTC was never going to hedge all kinds of inflation.

Any_Carob3372

It does not mean anything that people weren't talking about ETF accumulation before the ETFs existed. Did you consider that money chasing energy is going into AI now, when prior to the AI rush it was powering BTC bull runs? That's MY biggest concern rn for old man BTC.

biggest_guru_in_town

ETH is digital oil. It runs in everything. The second most valuable coin next to BTC. Everyone is anxious to make money. Time on earth is short. Yes. I get it. But if mfs actually believed in crypto for what it was initially designed for there shouldn't be any crying i wanna make money too. Im in red too but im not gonna give up my bag. Thats weak conviction. Plus i dont gamble. I bought eth only after reading about it. That means i see it as valuable beyond exchanging it for fiat when profitable.If eth goes to 500 the majority would ragequit. Only a few understand the opportunity and believe in its true usage. We need to get back to OG philosophy and thinking. That goes for every coin that is not a shitcoin. Shitcoins are what should be purged. It's a cancer on the crypto space.

MrKillerKiller_

Its around 58% using the tradingview formula excluding the top 4 stablecoins “CRYPTOCAP:BTC.D / (100 - CRYPTOCAP:USDT.D - CRYPTOCAP:USDC.D - CRYPTOCAP:DAI.D - CRYPTOCAP:FDUSD.D) * 100”

Buster_xx

When Michael Saylor isnt enjoying being in the Epstein files he enjoys fleecing people to buy stock with out proof of reserves. Seriously people, the guy is a POS, just buy BTC

Calm_Situation_1131

Strategy has $6.7B in debt where the holders can force Strategy to buy back over next 3 years. This is on top of Strategy's annual dividend liability of $1.3B. That's \~$10.7B in either MSTR dilution or BTC sales. This company of grifters is going to take BTC back to the crypto dark ages.

partymsl

Saylor: Buying more BTC will fix it

Mundane-Context-3979

FYI if BTC became BTC2, it splits and you have equal amounts of both. And it's happened before.

Lefties_TheWorst7331

True BTC enthusiasts or maxi's don't trade bitcoin. They buy, hold, and gobble up as much supply as they possibly can, helping create scarcity. DCA, set it and forget it.

ubermensch1001

Don't try to trade this market. If you actually take the time to learn about BTC, you will realize that long term holding it is what you should be doing. Being around the 200 week moving average, this is the time to be buying right now. Buy what you can and treat it like a long term savings tool, you'll thank yourself years from now if you can lock sats in and not touch them.

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fan_of_hakiksexydays

I remember people saying the same thing about Luna. At least Luna was algo-based and on a blockchain. And actually was more independent to BTC price movement than MSTR. You can't really say MSTR doesn't care about price, when it's literally been tanking in front of our eyes and people have been leaving it. And more concerning is that MSTR has been tanking faster than BTC. So it seems much more vulnerable to the price drops. Meanwhile, for STRC things keep getting worse. It's getting more and more de-pegged and hasn't been able to re-peg anymore. People are losing faith on both sides.

devCheckingIn

Pretty much explains AI and BTC.

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Any_Carob3372

BTC buyable 24/7/365 only you can decide if it is the right time for you to buy

stonktaker

But it's all irrelevant because every single one of the large public miners is converting to a HPC (AI) business. BTC mining is just not a good business at a large scale, but it's perfect for waste/excess/stranded energy, like methane on farms and excess power from power plants when they have to vent/dump energy. So it's just not worth it at scale unless you have basically free energy, who knew getting your revenue cut in half every 4 years is bad for business ;)

xaviemb

Completely agree, and that's a good caveat to make. An oil tycoon, might view burning it as essentially 'free' if they are blocked off from the rest of the world, and unable to distribute. Obviously, a situation like that would probably resolve itself ecenomically, but for the short term someone might do a lot of damage, globally speaking, to simply convert what they view as abundant into BTC.

Meto_Kaiba

Can't you just download Bitcoin Core and buy partial BTC that way?

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HSuke

There is a way to get out of this that will do temporary damage to their reputation, but should be better in the long run: sell enough BTC to fund dividends and convertible debt for the next 2 years. It should be a one-time move until years later when it's needed again. By then, they should have already bought back more BTC, proving that it's sustainable. But I highly doubt Saylor or Phong Le have the guts to do it.

gad_E

I typically only consider it a terrible move whenever someone buys crypto like this with BTC since it's truly the only crypto that all others rely on for any meaningful value. The entire reason BTC ever starts losing value to begin with is because people get greedy & start widrawing or converting BTC in an effort make profit on some memecoin that's supposed to surge. Even if that move does make a profit, it eventually gets swallowed right back up by BTC's losses in value. You can't extract value from BTC & expect for it to just make a smooth & equal transfer of value over to a different blockchain. Whatever bump it initially receives is always canceled out by the even larger dip it's a going to receive due to the exact same action to BTC, which exponentially affects the rest of the market more than the rest of the market could ever dream about affecting it. Just to be clear...I'm not advising to never invest in other blockchains because thats actually pretty important for overall growth & a lot of them have pretty great utility. I'm just saying not to take your already invested value away from BTC in order to do it. A more efficient way to shoot yourself in the foot just doesn't exist.

HSuke

They can keep raising the dividends while the principal drops. Their narrative of STRC as more stable and less volatile than BTC is completely falling apart. 5-day chart is showing BTC up 4% while STRC is down 6%. Prior to the narrative shift, STRC would have stayed at $100.

Silent_Value_1004

Is reddit off limits to millionaires or something? Just because we can't prove OP is a millionaire doesn't mean anything, as we can't prove he isn't one either. Only one they're hurting by lying and chasing fake clout is themselves, if that's the case. How about we focus on the other things that were said, y'know, about BTC?

Puzzleheaded-Pool-71

If you think you know what and when the real BTC bottom was, let me be the first to tell you that you are in fact wrong.

MrKillerKiller_

BTC.D / Total 2….nuff said

MrKillerKiller_

Because there was no other way to avoid it back then. Had BTC existed, there would be an option to avoid it. All the biggest banks fucked their consumers so no one could circumvent their shady bullshit.

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amilaf

one and only BTC. Never trust alt coins.

UAP44

ETH stakers aren't affected as much by price as BTC miners are. There's no electricity bill to pay.

RandomPlayerCSGO

STRC is a new thing because they are not giving him more cheap debt anymore, but most of his BTC holdings were bought with cheap loans on his company and bonds before strc existed

h0twired

The problem is when people start selling BTC as the value of their conventional assets start tanking and they need the cash.

Foreign-Character461

First thing - don't move anything else or interact with that wallet. If the seed was compromised anything still connected to it is at risk. Check your transaction history on a block explorer using your wallet address. You should be able to see exactly where the BTC was sent. It won't help you get it back but it will confirm what happened and when. If the send happened in August 2025 and you're just noticing now, the funds are long gone unfortunately. The bigger question is how the seed phrase was compromised. Did you store it digitally anywhere - photo, notes app, cloud backup, email? Even a screenshot from years ago could have been scraped. That's the most common attack vector for Ledger users since the device itself is secure but the backup phrase is the weak link.

thedazdul

It might go up, it might go down. Nobody here can predict the future. Most people including me think it will go up, but Crypto is hard to predict. If you have money to invest, I'd put some into BTC. If you need that money soon, don't.

UrbanGrower187

That’s pretty much the reality. Strategy doesn’t *need* to sell Bitcoin today, but long term the model depends on BTC appreciating faster than its obligations grow. If BTC stays flat for years, cash flow becomes the issue. If BTC goes to $75k+ and beyond, most of these concerns disappear very quickly. The bull case is Bitcoin growth; the bear case is stagnation, not an immediate death spiral.

Kindly_Lab4217

oh OneMiners attended again? they're building the momentum on attending BTC conferences/events

Far-Photograph-2342

Phoenix is a solid choice. For buying and holding BTC I usually use Tothemoon, and Phoenix for spending over Lightning.

GooglySoft

Lmao personally chop my dick if BTC reaches 325k

Cadetastic

>Blackrock and all their Top Clients have been in BTC since 15k, they got the absolute Bottom back in 2022, so why would anyone think these guys are panicking, these dudes are up still by alot for institutions. and they have been buying up to 20k - 30k range, thats where they loaded their own bags which are the only bags that matter, and they wont let it ever down there again So you're saying Blackrock can control the overall market price for bitcoin and just choose not to let the price drop down to 20-30k again? Smdh.

Romanizer

That's a trade-off, but not necessarily a loss. It may sacrifice upside potential, but you are still generating income. In very steep bull runs, you may still end up with less BTC you started with.

decentralised_cash

It it was a site from then, his BTC is almost certainly gone. Another thing would have been if he'd self-custodied his coins, but from your description, that's not what it sounds like.

jakedaboiii

Anyone who believes that BTC has a 4 year cycle believes it's right on track - nothing to do with BTC struggling - higher highs and higher lows. I guess you'll have to wait a few more years and see where we are at ;) But historically, 98% of the time, if you bought BTC and held, you made money. Yes doesn't mean that will continue, but worth considering...time will tell

the_urban_man

The premium is offset by the fact that you have to sell the BTC for less than the market price at the time of the call exercise.

jakedaboiii

No incentive to hold? You've selected a time frame to favour some stocks Vs others. BTC since inception in 2009 has increased just over 820,000x -- that's ignoring it's ATH several months back. And you don't lose anything in a stock apart from paper value - if you're still holding BTC since 2021, or rather start of 2022 where it peaked, then you can say you've made no gains. Assuming BTC reaches its previous ath then you're about to double your investment either from now or from 2021. Fundamentals of BTC haven't changed irrelevant of fear and poor sentiment from retail investors and traders. The incentive to hold is the same incentive that's been there every year since inception - it's going up forever Laura.

ithastogoupfromhere

I trade stocks, commodities and crypto and at this moment crypto is my least favourite thing to trade. BTC and all other coins in nomans land and bad sentiment, there are way better opportunities, but I'm a swingtrader, not daytrader.

alfredonoodles

If you logged in with an email, you’d know what website it was because they’d have had sent you a notification of signing up to that email. Also, if they had multi factor authentication it would have sent an email to verify login. However, more than likely, the site is gone, it was probably MtGox, BTC-E, Tradehill, or some other OG exchange that’s long gone. Blockchain.info also but they’ve changed a lot since 2011-2013.

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