BTC

CapitalIncome845

Sounds like you invested without learning what you were buying. BTC demands a 4 year hold. MSTR probably 7-10. Volatility is vitality but sucks in the short term.

jkl2035

Important that we Take this topic more serious, I‘m holding some BTC, like the BIP360 concept, but migration with the proposal will Take several years…

VariatCA

No problem lol. October 10th had a lot of moving parts to it, and that aftermarket tweet was the match that lit the powder keg. Threatening embargos, export controls and 100% tariffs isn't exactly a threat the market took lightly. Crypto itself had even recovered by the end of the weekend, and was as high as ~116k for BTC by late-October as stocks reached ATH's. There was just a lot more to the story of the last few months of decline.

Traxano

Hi, I can’t really understand your question. If you’re asking whether BTC will pump or dump, the only honest answer is: nobody knows. When I was at that point, I started studying Bitcoin, blockchain, and Austrian economics to understand why Bitcoin can be the best asset at any price.

Dependent_Broccoli31

For me it’s mostly about optionality. I don’t see Bitcoin as a get-rich-quick thing, but as a hedge against monetary policy and long-term uncertainty. I still use fiat for daily life, but BTC gives me an asset that’s borderless, scarce, and not tied to any single government. If it also ends up being widely used as money — great. If not, it still serves a purpose.

FOMOmeterCrypto

If you’re not sure what you want, you haven’t accepted the risk. Chasing “1 BTC” is just round number bias. If it’s FOMO driving the decision, that’s a bad advisor.

Illustrious_Cat1339

It was some time very early 2010, right after christmas, I believe I sent him $20 of BTC. Whatever that equated to at the time. Im sure someone can do the math.

WorkerPlayful4192

0.000015 BTC - 2 cents, maybe?

cannabis_rex

Reading the comments, I'm amazed at how many people misinterpret this post. This isn't about telling you you are stupid for not buying BTC in 2016. To me, it is more about tracking the average price of a home in the US over time in terms other than USD

dbula

Don't even get them started on where BTC was 1 week ago. It was a blood bath.

B1GCloud

Hey man, I buy daily. Am I "strategy" buying what y'all selling? I can think of worse entities to hold BTC people sell tbh.

Head-End-5909

From a practical, investor POV, spot BTC ETF/ETPs makes much more sense. It’s much less complicated than securing your cold storage wallet and much easier for inheritance purposes. If you’re able to invest via a Roth IRA, that would even be a superior option than self custody.

Despaciito

Xcn dont care about the nonstop BTC dumping apparently

Striker40k

Why aren't you on the Bitcoin subreddits? This shit pops up in my feed because I have other crypto in my portfolio, as well as BTC. I'm just calling it like it is, market movers have solved the crypto algorithms and now make money on the swings, vs chasing ATH.

BeginningMost6014

All my BTC is in IBIT and i sleep perfectly at night.

nugymmer

BTC could theoretically get to $1M but it would require monstrous inflation at which point a Big Mac is gonna cost a nice chunk of pay.

aus-gerr

lol $50k BTC is coming…trust me.

DGIce

Not to be a doomer, but BTC is closer to it's end state than it's beginning state (not in terms of time but in terms of scale). It is useful for the intrinsic reasons we need it, decentralized currency you can send across the world. Also possibly useful as a store of value in a crisis, but not a normal investment. I'm not gonna make bets that BTC returns beat the stock market the next cycle. Because the problem is that the stock market also rises with inflation. It will keep going up but slower and slower when adjusted for inflation. !remindme 8 years

ThrowRA-football

If you have lost faith in BTC, why are you even here? Spread FUD somewhere else.

Fear_Blind83

It's the solution to BTC Puzzle #1 https://btcpuzzle.info/tools/visual-puzzle-hunter?page=1

El_Veethorn

When I arrived at bitcoin I was late. Crypto brokers were failing, people were getting out, there was no belief in the system. But I read about it and I was informed enough to believe. Now I am early. This is why this is such a great meme, you arrive when you were meant to, BTC isn't going anywhere in the neae future. If you are 10 years youngers than me, you will have theoretically 10 years more of BTC and BTC adoption. FINALLY a great post, thx op.

Few_Response_7028

They're both fine if you chose Trezor BTC only edition. But trezor safe 7 has shitcoins and too many attack vectors because of it.

art1mis

Kinda reminds me of BTC

DMTsyndicate

I bought $5k at 116k per coin fee $250 you think I'm selling my BTC 😂

DoritoZNJ

For me it's nice knowing that my wealth is protected, it's mine. Nobody can freeze my Bitcoin or take them without my permission. I hold the keys, it's mine! My money in the bank... Questionable, considering how accounts can be frozen if not politically correct or problematic. Also the freedom to have your Bitcoin everywhere in the world. From a vibrant New York to some small village in Cambodia. You can always use it, there is no delay or something. We can't say the same for the banks... Overall that's all. The price increase is just a bonus. Theoretically if BTC stops being volatile and freezes to 100,000$ I would still have my wealth in it, buy more etc. Some people see money making, others like me see opportunities to be free in those monitored times.

aespaste

1000s of BTC but Electrum doesnt load fiat values because I assume first tx is from 2011

Chytrik

Oh wow, you’re very very wrong. Just try inputting that text into an online calculator for entropy of a given string. I just tried, and got a little more than 3(!) bits of entropy. A good private key is 256 bits of entropy. Play stupid games, follow stupid advice, win stupid prizes (lose your BTC)

DoritoZNJ

I'm selling my BTC for RAM sticks then

ForWhenImWeird

Since its creation, it has a shown a consistent upward trend long term. It’s also designed to be deflationary. Simple economics tell us that as demand increases (instituational wealth/nation states/retail) while supply decreases (fundamental nature of BTC) the price should increase. It’s a great hedge to inflation which is a foregone conclusion. Are there assets that will out perform it? Of course. But this is something I have a lot of conviction on.

ggPeti

In BTC, yes. But in dollars, the mining rewards keep rising. [https://newhedge.io/bitcoin/block-reward-per-block](https://newhedge.io/bitcoin/block-reward-per-block)

Actual-Stuff-513

Sorry dude some people are coming from other parts of the world ! My English ain’t that good. Holding USD is not a solution at all of course. I am just saying you can hold other assets than BTC. I think you misunderstood my post, it wasn’t so hard to understand

focal78

**Bitcoin (BTC)** continues to dominate the market with a staggering market capitalization of $1.84 trillion. Despite a slight dip of 1.71% in the last 24 hours, its trading volume remains robust at $62.05 billion. The open interest in Bitcoin futures stands at a healthy $59.01 billion, indicating sustained interest from institutional and retail investors. The positive 24-hour change in open interest, coupled with a positive funding rate, suggests a cautiously optimistic outlook among traders. Read more at the crypto market intelligence briefing here - [https://askfocal.com/focal/workflows/reports/13556?is\_legacy\_report=false&utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=organic&utm\_campaign=majors&utm\_content=majors-0107](https://askfocal.com/focal/workflows/reports/13556?is_legacy_report=false&utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=majors&utm_content=majors-0107)

VariatCA

MSTR is still technically up, and touched as high as 170 today. Though Saylor probably took that opportunity to sell shares / dip into STRC to take out a nice big chunk of cash for his next BTC purchases, helping to drag the stock down. It *also* doesn't help that Bitcoin is down like 3% from yesterday's closing, if you hadn't noticed. They're kind of correlated.

BBQSnakes

All BTC transactions are traceable and stored permanently on the block chain. Why would you use it for illegal goods?

katerinaramm

I would suggest to learn more about Bitcoin and see the circles and price movements. Many users choose to DCA (Dollar Cost Average) by buying at low prices, but that would also depend on how often you plan to buy and your budget for doing so. I try to diversify between BTC and other cryptos that are in the top 10, while trying to earn them through some internet activities. I hope you will get some answers here to help you, but you should combine everything with your own knowledge and research.

BitcoinStrategy101

Perhaps look into the MSTR preferred products if you'd like income, but still want BTC-like exposure.

BoringPrinciple2542

Honestly it depends. Holding is good during periods of upward growth but active trading can enable you to accumulate during flat periods and periods of negative price action. I think you’d have to setup a simulation with set variables to answer your question properly but the consistent upward trajectory of BTC likely lends toward holding (unless you can predict and swing trade the peaks & valleys) being the better bet. Trading is more important for alt coins where price is more stable long term but with high volatility in the short term. Ultimately, this is a variation of the dividend reinvestment vs growth stocks argument that you see in places like r/bogleheads. Where I think trading is most useful is building steady revenue streams, hedging against bear markets, and accumulating tokens you believe will do will long term but expect to stay flat in the near term.

Clear-Recognition125

You do not need luck when you hold BTC...

LordJamPunt

If you own BTC or a cryptocurrency you should stop posting negative things about it, keep it to yourself, the only public comments should be cheerleading for new buyers or nothing at all. I understand the cynicism, im as jaded as the next but negative comments make as much sense as going your own business negative yelp reviews.   for whatever reason, any positive news here is immediately shit on and it has large negative effect. 

thupkt

Admit it, you legit want your BTC stolen, it's the only correct conclusion based on your desire for shortcuts and ease

Snow_King69

I don’t know what you’re talking about. Yes, he promotes his Bullmania, but he’s also an entrepreneur, so why shouldn’t he advertise it? Of course he places sponsorships in his streams and videos, but what do you expect? Do you really think he wastes his time creating content every day for nothing, just to give you information because you’re not able to do your own research? Ivan is still one of the crypto YouTubers you can trust the most. He focuses on charts and trends, not like others who constantly scream, “AI COINS, GOOO! BUY AI COINS! OMG, IT’S GONNA BE AMAZING! LOOK AT GLOBAL M2, IT’S GONNA PUMP! BUY THE DIP!” His prediction that people should be cautious since BTC didn’t break the previous ATH decisively was on point. Yes, he does sponsorships, yes, he promotes Bullmania—but we all work for money, don’t we? Nothing is really free.

drifterlady

You plan to use the BTC to pay for sex?

Alarming-Nose2400

Obviously not I spread most of my money across equities and crypto (BTC, ETH, XRP, SOL). Me personally I could never be the ALL IN BTC guy but holding some of each of those coins listed give me more confidence because each has their own purpose in the crypto world.

BoringPrinciple2542

Zero weight. The idea has been criticized since inception because it’s not real. Bitcoin halvenings do reduce supply which can lead to greater price but only if demand continues to increase as well. In reality we see an overall upward move but the market dictates price not BTC token mechanics. What happened historically was driven by hype and FOMO as a self-fulfilling prophecy not an actual market principle. BTC isn’t special and assuming it follows its own set of laws which fundamentally differ from every other asset is foolishness.

Blockchainauditor

Your wallet should have a function to send BTC to an address; set up an account at an exchange, get a receiving address from the exchange, and Satoshi’s your uncle.

XXsforEyes

The miracle isn’t that Bitcoin avoided going to zero, it’s that it ever crossed the $1.00 mark to begin with. With institutional money and nation states beginning to see the light I’m buying more BTC and sunglasses to wear during my bright future!

Actual-Stuff-513

Holding USD is loosing money yes. Like any currencies. But holding good assets protect you from inflation in general. BTC is not the only solution beside holding USD

aespaste

No and I have no idea why people deposit BTC into it. Maybe it's for testing purposes but there are some large deposits too.

Crypto-Voice-Pro

I hear you on the 94k resistance—it's been a tough nut to crack, and the order books show a lot of sell pressure sitting right there. ​Regarding the 'Tariff FUD' from last April, it’s a perfect example of how the market is now reacting to DC politics as much as it does to on-chain data. It was a classic shakeout that rewarded anyone with a longer time horizon. ​I think your 82k 'market mean' target is a solid level for a retest. If we do dip below 90k, seeing how we hold at the 82k-85k support will be the real test of this structure. I’m staying neutral for now, but keeping an eye on the DXY—if the dollar keeps cooling, that 150k target for 2027 starts looking very conservative. Are you mostly in BTC, or are you looking at any of the 'tariff-resistant' sectors like DeFi?

Crypto-Voice-Pro

You're right that NVIDIA has been a wild ride lately—especially with the 120% swings we saw last year. It’s a great example of how 'High-Growth Tech' and 'Crypto' are starting to trade in the same risk category. ​However, if you look at the realized volatility for 2025, BTC actually sat around 68%, while NVDA was pushing much higher due to the AI supply-chain shifts. ​It's a weird moment in market history where the 'magic internet money' is starting to show more stable price floors than the world's leading chip maker. Do you think we’re reaching a point where BTC is actually a 'safer' macro play than individual AI stocks, or is this just a temporary fluke in the data?

Azatis-

Retail is not even all in crypto like they used to be and those who are waiting for the alt season to either jump in or sell off what they got. They do not own trillions of BTC

northcasewhite

There was a time when you would get downvoted here for saying that. BTC does have a centralization issue with development and mining.

Dizzy-Emu1513

Why use BTC if we all have worthless cash in our pockets ?

J5966358

This guy... X happens, X will pump BTC, Y happens, Y will pump BTC, Z happens... 

knifter

I would consider not depositing any BTC on this address. But maybe that's just me

Logical_driver_42

Isn’t BTC the exit strategy

fan_of_hakiksexydays

But in recent months we've seen many cases of BTC rallying on bad news and stocks going down, then dump on good news and stocks going up.

Adept-Potato-2568

Help me understand how BTC gains mass adoption without institutional involvement

Easik

I'm so tired of bots. The fed is purchasing $40b of US Treasuries every month. That isn't cash. That isn't BTC. This is a form of yield control to prevent the collapse of the US Government due to debt spiral.

Electrical-Virus9859

Gold peaked → BTC exploded before. $470k? Time will tell. HODL.

Electrical-Virus9859

BTC doesn’t read emails 📩 It just follows liquidity 😌📈

xxtopshelf

Your approach is solid. DCA into Bitcoin is one of the simplest and most effective strategies for beginners, especially if your goal is long-term and emotion-free investing. Keeping it simple is the smart move. BTC is the most established asset in crypto and the safest choice for long-term DCA. The biggest mistakes people make aren’t timing profits, but losing discipline during downturns or overcomplicating things with too many alts. If you can afford it and prefer smoother price averaging, you can also DCA weekly instead of monthly, it works just as well, sometimes better. Stick to the plan and let time do the heavy lifting.

Future_Ad863

Nobody said the Fed was spending that money on BTC

fan_of_hakiksexydays

Looking at the comments you'd think BTC had finally broken below $85K and was heading into the 70s. But apparently we "dumped" from $94K and are now down to "goblin town" at $91K 😂

Vinnypaperhands

The Bitcoin network running with no central authority IS real utility lol. The fuck do people want!?!? BTC to come alive and give them a blowie!?

Hazys

Yeah but haven't one BTC yet. Sometimes if really need cash I do sell a bit but mostly I will not. I do have another side hustle pay in BTC. Always stack from there beside sometimes if I have extra cash will buy in when it dip hard. I don't trade, I hold for long term.

CourseDazzling9537

Humanity’s first non-dilutable form if money that consistently provides deflationary prices. Everything priced in BTC gets cheaper in time. Why would I not latch on to this?

Trengingigan

A guy I know owns Bitcoin because he wants to keep part of the fruit of his labor in a good store of value, resistant to inflation and confiscation, to be able to retire someday. When to retire depends on the purchasing power of the BTC that he keeps stacking. Could be soon, in a few decades, or never 🤷🏻‍♂️

Narf234

Could you forward this to BTC please? It didn’t get the memo.

tribbans95

they add like 10% to the actual BTC price + fees. Idk why anyone would ever use this

jojowhitesox

It seemed like a good investment after seeing the stock to flow model. I got in in 2019, haven't looked back. I'd like it to help me retire early. I'm 50. I'm not behind on retirement savings, but I'd like BTC to push me past the goal line. Maybe next bull run, maybe 2 more. Fingers crossed.

shockwagon

i believe the blockchain is the next rails the internet will be built on, including finance. BTC being part of that, and a universal store of wealth, and a hedge against inflation.

dubski04021

Depends… timing the market is difficult, but when there are large swings it’s normally futures/perp driven. Once the liquidations take place and OI drops, you can normally make an informed decision BTC hit a support level and will climb a bit until futures/perps get cleared again. Rinse and repeat.

Due-Professional6824

I remember selling my TRX when they announced closure of Binance in USA. Although this chain to me seems like vaporware fraud (like most altcoins) mainly controlled by Justin Sun - I must admit it is arguably the best looking altcoin chart when measured in BTC value.

Otherwise-Finding337

It actually IS the savior I think it is. It already HAS saved and changed my life. It WILL continue to gain in value because it is designed that way. I would be embarrassed if I were you, being in BTC that long and thinking otherwise. I dont even know what else to say.

thupkt

What if it goes down to 60K after you buy? Things could go wrong no matter what, but you'll never make a dime on BTC unless you're in the game.

Ognisera

Possibly Zykur, they have some no-KYC crypto cards, you could top up with BTC as well

Accomplished-Cow769

BTC is going to $60k. Memecoins are the reason.

Medium_Change4574

>BTC is up 4 years in a row Except it's not

373331

Morgan Stanley has 1.7 trillion assets under management, their financial advisors can recently recommend a 2-4% BTC allocation and they just filed for their own Bitcoin ETF. Me thinks the institutions are just getting started 🤔

BeginningMost6014

Interesting. However, prob is worth noting, that as a result of your job and therefore experience, it is titled towards people being scammed, bc why else would you ever interact with anyone that has any form of interaction with a BTC ATM. Also, my comment was more towards money laundering.

99999999999999999989

Proof that we are living in a simulation. We are nothing but BTC miners for the outside entities.

Advanced-Kale2014

If I had $20k for crypto, I’d mostly stick to $BTC and $ETH, maybe a small slice in a few promising altcoins. I’d consider spreading it out over time instead of buying all at once to ride out swings. Only invest what you can afford to lose, because crypto is unpredictable.

GIGAbtcHodl

In our case, the buying and holding strategy works better, because we operate a cashflow business and BTC serves as a treasury asset

brackelbo

Yea sure bud. Well I bought BTC at $0.50

Bobo_Baggins03x

Sorry I should not have spoken up as a fractional BTC owner. Forgive me

IcyAdvantage8806

trading is basically just buying and selling on an order book, nothing magical. most ppl lose by overtrading. I stopped day trading and now just buy occasionally and move BTC into best wallet to avoid temptation.

Glittering_Pick_9738

Reminds me of the last Uptober. First five days were awesome, on sixth day we reached ATH and then everything turned around. Classic post-ATH crash, some crabbing and then 10/10. Weird to think now that this brief crash to 102k was considered disaster at the time. Now if we reached 102k fear and greed index would be flashing green and major profit-taking would commence.  It's very hard to overlook the fact that no one wants to buy BTC while there are many folks out there waiting for a right price to exit. What could possibly go wrong? 

ExtensiveBattling

The ETF trade off isn’t cost, it’s more of control cuz, you’re swapping custody risk for counterparty and policy risk. If polymarket ever listed BTC ETF frozen or restricted in a crisis, it wouldn’t be zero. ETFs are fine for tax advantaged exposure, but they’re not a replacement for holding the asset itself

654321745954

Network difficulty was at like 1. One. And the block reward per block was 50 BTC.

cjarguello

There’s never a bad time to buy BTC. DCA on Strike instead of trying to time the market and that way you won’t regret not having bought in at a specific price.

BeginningMost6014

It is to avoid KYC. You can deposit cash you got from any source and immediately have BTC without going through a bank or financial intermediary.

Electrical-Cat-6660

Between the high fees and potential for scams, it’s probably the worst way to you can trade BTC. Stay away!!!!

mreJ

Pretty sure I know people who work for that ATM company. These machines were like 5-10 years too late. We needed them back before 2013 or at the latest 2015. Now, you just buy it from your phone easy peasy. Localbitcoins got pushed out and you don't have to deposit cash to a random stranger's Bank of America account, and he send you mined BTC to your wallet address. Gone are the days of pre-2013.

Wallet_TG

Don't chase round numbers with 5% of your net worth when you have a toddler to provide for — diversification matters more than the psychological satisfaction of owning exactly 1 BTC.

reliable35

Just load up with proxy companies like MSTR, Microstrategy & BTC miners like MARA, WULF & HUT. Some of these have now pivoted in AI hence, doing quite well. My colleague, £150k of his SIPP, (personal pension) invested into the above last 2 years .. Turned £150k into £350-400k.. A risky bet for sure. But fortune favours the bold..

No_Seaworthiness267

It’s your money it’s your decision in the end. If you want a full coin then go for it. Investing is about setting goals and go with your gut. Your gut is saying you want a full coin, so go for it!! Stop talking and make your move. When BTC goes above 100k again you will thank me.

Crivos

This is why BTC is superior.

Bobo_Baggins03x

Most people would be thrilled with 0.01 BTC in 10 years

Glyzzza_

You should do the "buy low, sell high" you can start small, learn the market, and look for dips to accumulate strong coins like BTC or ETH.