BTC

MR-S15

Bitcoin standard made me a BTC maxi :)

Every_Hunt_160

It just fell off faster before BTC so it's less to dump now (double digit fall in a day a 2-3 days back)

Old_Shop_2601

Sure, but as a business with loans to be paid back to banks, etc, you better don't accumulate too much unrealized losses. I better MSTR BTC were used as collateral to some other strategies, so margin call day getting closer. And once you gets margin called, game over

shawnnnnn2

I DCA regardless just speaking on a scenario where I would take out a loan to buy BTC

104MAS

Retail is never coming back. The trump and Melania coin really ruined it. Plus the average Joe retail thinks BTC is too expensive and doesn’t understand you can buy a fraction of it.

Additional_Chip_4158

When BTC gets cheaper it is more likely people will want to be buying if able. 

Brief_Lettuce_571

There are some BTC backed loans in which you can use your BTC as collateral. But you are assuming it is an ever appreciating asset and you risk being liquidated should a major drawdown occur. Theoretically it is never selling.

GetRidOfFIFPlease

Well currently though. You get more USD per BTC coz it dropped right? What are you getting at lol

simulated_copy

BTC is 99.9% waste solves nothing does nothing. 0 cant come fast enough

Legitimate_Cry_5194

I know one thing, stock market is 3% down from its ATH and BTC is 42% down. Tells you all you need to know about where the BTC price is heading if the stock market does a 20%-bear market territory-retrace. When the BTC price ends up where it will, use your own intuition, end up, Strategy will be under severe pressure to sell some of her holdings, and make no mistake that she will. It's not going to bankrupt Strategy and it won't destroy BTC, but it will be a huge blow both to the company and to an industry that has 99% of her eggs in the baskets of Strategy, of ETF flows and of a "crypto" president. Keep dry powder available and don't try to catch that falling knife.

Ragnaroknight

I've been in crypto since the 2017 Bull Run, and the entire time I remember how much people were begging for institutional investment and "adoption". But this is what happens when you get that. Crypto is just another playground for the ultra wealthy, the Wild West era is over. That's why alt seasons either don't exist or suck now. There's no interest from retail investors, because that era is over. Sure BTC may have never reached $120k without said companies, but you'll also watch it shit the bed faster than it ever has too, and maybe not come back this time.

Sharks4Life34_43

Not a myth at all man. Go look at some charts or do a quick google search. The halving, all time lows vs all time highs of BTC have stayed almost exactly the same, to almost the exact day, and week. Just go look. I know what I’m talking about. Again, This last jived with 2021 pretty much exactly, and I expect the same thing, but the bottom, later this year, as we had in 2022. It’s a lot to type. Pull charts and look at ATH vs bottoms, for the last 3 4 year cycles

HSuke

Yeah, they don't sell BTC. They just keep dumping MSTR until its price falls over 85% like last cycle. I'm not worried about BTC; I'm worried about holders of MSTR. Falling 85% this cycle would be MSTR at $60. And unlike last cycle, they have to pay back $8B over the next 4 years when they only have $1.4B in liquid assets, and they need to pay interest for preferred shares. It's not going to be pretty for MSTR share price.

OpticallyMosache

Doesn't mean much unless we know how much you're talking about and your age. If you're 23 years old and have 85% of $5,000 in BTC, that's fine. If you're 45 years old and have 85% of $1,000,000 in BTC, that's probably too much.

reddefense

At 3.5% this is a great opportunity in my opinion. Fiat is getting nuked and that monthly payment will be the general cost of a value meal at McDonalds sometime in the next 10 years. I’ve got quite a bit into BTC and literally not worried at all when you look at the math. 🚀

piggleii

ETH holding up better than BTC. 🙃

Ok-Landscape-1681

Mine is currently 50/50. I’m a big believer in it and was focusing more on diversification…. But this sale is just too good so going into BTC

canada11235813

Setting aside all the insane comments and/or jokes in these replies, the simple answer is that allocating more than 50% in any asset class is a bad idea, be it BTC, gold, equities, bonds, cash, whatever. But it also matters how much your net worth is and how much of it your quality of life is dependent on it if it were to tank to zero. If you're a billionaire who's very frugal and you go from $1B to $150,000,000, you'll probably be ok. If your net worth is $200,000 and you live paycheque to paycheque, you're completely screwed. Why not have everything in BTC? Why not have everything in gold? Cash? Real Estate? Because diversity hedges risk, and 85% of all of it on one asset class can be a catastrophe... and we are seeing it first-hand with all the leveraged people having to bail on BTC now, unable to manage the margin call. I almost feel bad buying BTC at these levels, because a lot of it is coming from true believers who over-extended themselves. And I say almost, but not totally... because feel free to go back to when this thing was $120k and I was saying the same thing; don't over-do it... greediness gets you slaughtered. 85% might too.

Ready-Impact-8218

BTC is an alternative asset class. I believe in the value. I also believe in gold, silver, aged whiskey, etc....I think more people are realizing ONLY investing in the s&p (you still should) is sound advice 25+ years ago before the explosion in monetary circulation occurred.

internetcareer123

Convincing a BTC cult member that Bitcoin is not the future….is harder than trying to convince a Democrat that law enforcement is a good thing.

TheMaharishiEffect

I must try harder. I might start an only fans soon where I accept BTC as payments for dik pics

Necessary-Nature-380

Yep, $62k is a solid prediction. We also never thought it would be $72k yet here we are.. better to be cautious. $30k is far too low imo, I can understand bearish sentiment and stuff, but that's just completely outside the realm of possibility. £30k would only be caused by a genuine economic disaster or invasion.. this is nowhere near it. And we'd see it throughout all industries... at the moment it's just crypto that's going down.I remember when BTC was at $30k, we have definitely not gone that far backwards to merit such a decline...

HunterSubstantial342

BTC, Ethere, XRP

RedBaeber

If you don't have at least 21 BTC are you even trying? /s

MillerBlade2

Such a dumb fuckin saying. Probably why a lot of people don’t take crypto seriously. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with BTC and the economics of BTC will never change. It will always be an asset worth holding. THAT’s what you say. Not “HoDl!”

dxlongnh

1. nowhere, there is no cycle, 2. there is no cycle 3. with BTC there is no bear market 4. stop exchange BTC to any kind of fiat, 1 BTC = 1 BTC keep stacking, that's all

Slight-Regular-3711

MSTR is going to be forced to sell soon. Some of these second order funds that invested into BTC by using MSTR as a proxy will sell their MSTR. MSTR will dip below 100. Then MSTR is going to need to sell bitcoin. That should send a ripple of panic selling. I know everyone is like BTC has done 50% pull backs many cycles....nothing different here. But there is something different. You have a huge amount of centralized institutional ownership who will not play the diamond hands game. And once they leave, I would not expect them to come right back. By the time they are ready, they might realize there are a lot other chains out there that are more efficient and have more utility than BTC.

Salt-Device-6172

If this is your first cycle and you’re underwater just set up a BTC auto buy and delete the app until next winter. I promise you it’s the best thing you could do for yourself. Gotta spread some wisdom and positivity as a someone who started in 2016 and fucked it up plenty of times in the beginning. You’re here and you’re investing in the future that’s what matters!

Necessary-Nature-380

I'm convinced the absolute dip is around $50k which isn't too far away. Once all the liquidity is sucked out, whales can't make any money and it certainly won't have any huge institutional outflows from ETFs.... assuming it returns to it's price pre-ETF level. That's the great thing with bitcoin.... fixed amount and no money printing... 1BTC = 1BTC. I am certain it will rise again, USD is supposedly weak... and the trading pair with BTC is well.... not accurate...

TheMaharishiEffect

Naw, I'd rather rent and buy BTC.

sha256btc21ml

if you don’t have enough fiat, sell one of kidney to buy scarcity , sound and smart money …time is running out , accumulate BTC as much as we can .

GoldmezAddams

Gun to my head, does this look like a smart move on hindsight 10 years from now? Yeah, probably. I fully expect BTC to continue outperforming most everything as it eats the legacy system. But I don't put all my eggs in one basket, even if it's a really nice basket. Diversification helps you not get wrecked if one of your investments doesn't play out the way you think it will. And being in multiple uncorrelated assets means that if you need the funds for something while BTC is down in its bear cycle, one of your other investments is probably doing well and you can sell that rather than selling your BTC at a low point.

flapinux

I probably have a few years on you, been doing it this way for a long time & it helps that I can add when BTC is low, using stock gains to fund it & then ignore it for a while & repeat.

Kapgun97

I refied years ago. Took 20k for crypto and 20k precious metals. I got into BTC but was buying and selling on the way up. Got caught at 63k price and held down to 20k. Got frustrated with no movement and sold. Figured I’d buy back in. It dropped to 14-16k and I figured It would go lower. Then when it finally went up, I missed the boat and was too bitter to buy back in after it passed 20k. Dabbled some the last year or so after being down 6k on crypto. Made a bit, then lost some. Sold my BTC this time at 107k. Put all my faith in the 4 year cycle and still waiting. Meanwhile, my gold/silver has done very well. In at 1789/oz and 31.33/oz. Physical Metals work better for me because it forces me to hold. I get too bored holding crypto and stocks that I can easily trade.

Zealousideal-Cow506

If even 1% of those in this group were actually "stacking sats", BTC would not be near this low. All talk and no action.

Right-Avocado3870

I like that you are thinking about this and let me be honest that I have time reading their filings. But it looks like at the end of FY 2024 they had $25b in assets (prob 100pct BTC) and about $7b in debt. So in your analogy the person would have about $1.5 m in debt. Here's the thing where I was getting kind of hand wavvy about debt: MSTR has been buying shares by issuing preferred shares. Not technically debt, but those shares have a claim to the btc ahead of the common shares. If the price drops the assets can get sucked out quickly. It's hard to understand the financial structure. I think intentionally so.

Zealousideal-Cow506

If even 1% of those in this group were actually "stacking sats", BTC would not be near this low. All talk and no action.

JuxtaposeLife

My every other week DCA didn't stop on the way up, hasn't stopped on the way down. The only number I care about is my sats total... the price of BTC in USD just dicates how much faster I accumulate.

noviwu97

Same, Managed to DCA out 80% of my BTC above $100k. Glad we got quite a long period of time when it's above 100k.

OmegaRed86

I swear BTC goes outta business every few years.

inShambles3749

Because it ran once in 30 years while BTC did 5x that multiple times in the last decade?

C-Dull

If you’re buying anything besides BTC during the bear, why?

TheMaharishiEffect

Naw, I'd rather go like 80% into BTC

perma_banned2025

Of course it would affect the price, I'm not saying it wouldn't. What I disagree with is those claims that it would tank BTC price to near nothing

perma_banned2025

There are ~400,000 BTC traded per day currently, MSTR hold ~712,000 - less than 2 days worth of total trading volume. Realistically at no point will they need to dump all of their holding to service debt, so there's a near zero chance they could tank the BTC price by 90%. It would have an effect sure, but they are not bringing down the entire market

AU-n-Time

Speculators and leveraged holders typically sell because they have to or they panic. True “investors” in BTC buy more if they have the dry powder to do so. BTC has gone through numerous cycles like this. It is not an uncommon event. 3 growth years followed by a rocky year. Don’t panic, don’t sell, buy more if you can. Get diamond hand and HODL!!

WorstYugiohPlayer

The drop actually has a cause this time that's not good. BTC has been called a scam for decades and now with the Epstein reveal it's validating that it's a scam.

Available_Win5204

Christ just fucking stop. It’s worthless. Sell it.  Just buy ETH if you actually care about some brave new financial instruments. Pretending like BTC can ever be more than a marketing term at this point makes you look even more desperate than you already are. Don’t spend 10 years talking about how silly every smart contract platform is to them pathetically start painting bitcoin as something capable of being more than a digital rock. 

usa_reddit

BTC is going down in the near term. Non bitcoin bros have judged it to be unsafe and sketchy. It might catch on in 10-20 years but right now you can’t easily spend it or clearly explain it to a non. Bitcoin bro. Dude it is blockchain, freedom money. Can I hold it my hand? No, it’s a number in the blockchain. Until these problems are resolved gold, silver, and other assets are where the money is flowing.

Day_Prisoners

What's the hope here, multiply x5 in 10 years. Pretty risky when it seems like we are just before the giant ass bubble pops. A correction is coming. Not sure how that will do to BTC but most everything else is going to slump.

Flamboiant_Canadian

If this is any sign of how it used to be? It's a very good sign for the future. It depends if the rest of the market moves up with BTC (because it hasn't, it goes down with BTC, but not up). 

WorstYugiohPlayer

BTC is at risk because of the Epstein connections and the funny idea that Epstein is Satoshi.

Pitiful-Excitement47

But I'm not wrong. BTC to 30k in 6 months.

LikeWhite0nRice

If they need to dump BTC it was definitely affect the price of BTC.

Flamboiant_Canadian

He doesn't have to ever sell because he can infinitely leverage his own company's shares to buy more BTC. Everything is easier when you have so much money that money doesn't even matter why more to you, it's just a number to him. 

Time_Basis2535

It’s an opportunity to lower your cost basis. You need a 5+ year mindset to tolerate this roller coaster DCA BTC every single day.

Pitiful-Excitement47

Should of just split those funds up into 12-24 equal parts and bought once a month. If BTC goes up again, your return will be significantly higher than just buying it all out right.

Hour-Discipline2632

February 11 BTC Green Candle PUMPING according Gann Chart

Automaton9000

I know it's pointless but I do feel some obligation to state the reality of the situation. Hate the guy all you want but hate him for real things at the very least. Let's not lose our heads. Printing money to buy BTC to raise its price is no different than the "plunge protection team" that printed money to buy stocks to prevent stock prices from falling. We now know that didn't work. It just inflates the currency to manipulate markets for the benefit of wealthy asset holders.

Serenaded

Devolving more like. I think crypto is going to continue to be a thing cyclically in the market, but I think there's going to be a serious shot at alts doing the flippening. Things are different now, the tech is actually better and more useful, the quantum issue is real and people reasonably can tell that BTC might have generationally topped. Elites driving RWAs on chain is the natural culmination of crypto and NFTs actually turning into something useful. That isn't to come either, that's already begun.

Automaton9000

We have a strategic BTC reserve. They just didn't buy any on the open market, which would have been nice.

TheMaharishiEffect

Well i'm 28 and no, one BTC right now doesn't seem enough. But I mean I'm banking on it appreciating over may years in value to one day be worth enough

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Deslock77

Please dont sell if BTC goes to 65k

B1ggusDckus

Enough for what? Where I live you need $6 million to comfortable retire. Is 1 BTC enough to retire now? Certainly not. Will it be enough to retire in 20 years? Maybe, I don't think so. Is it enough to retire in 5-10 years in a cheap country? Likely.

Other_Importance249

I just bought more BTC 10 minutes ago. Not exactly "all in", but I've also just increased my regular DCA. "Stack sats & chill."

JRBetting

I think anybody who thinks they know the bottom or the timeline following this consolidation is full of crap. You can’t compare BTC today to 2021 or 2019. That said it’s worth noting that BTC historically always hits a higher price time and time again. It’s been a hell of a bleed this past month… Right now all these macro events are really messing with buyer confidence. The recent liquidation of over leveraged every day buyers didn’t help. Silver and gold shook everyone up. Donald Trump is a wildcard. Smaller players were flushed out. Germany is adopting quickly. Tech stocks are shaky. Government shutdowns make people nervous. All these things are part of the price of BTC today. So who knows. To the moon and stuff. Buy more.

TheMaharishiEffect

Ain't gonna prove it but she has 36DD. I'd say I'm set for life if I get at least 3 BTC?

SM-

Predicting a $3k BTC drop within in the next 2 hours

GoldmezAddams

Bitcoin mining hasn't been done with GPUs in quite a while. And I don't think effects on miners do much to the price. The bitcoin issuance schedule is fixed, the amount of new BTC entering the system doesn't change regardless of whether miners are having a rough time or a great time.

whiskey_piker

I mean, these are the lowest prices in a year and you’re thinking wait until it’s near ATH to jump back in? Even BTC is nearly 50% of ATH in the last 12mos. Did you read your question before you posted?

MisoGrendel

lol you will never buy if BTC goes back to the 'teens', you will be screaming about it going to zero.

MisoGrendel

lol you will never buy if BTC goes back to the 'teens', you will be screaming about it going to zero.

TapThatYak

Wondering how Saylor will stay afloat if BTC gets down to 55-60k. Will it cause a fire sale down to 45-50k?

TheMaharishiEffect

Tf? 5% that's so low. What else are you investing in? I want like 80% to be allocated into BTC

No_Giraffe_4647

Would be stronger with BTC ETH SOL XRP CC HYPE

PapaUrsidae

If you lost $1,000 in BTC tomorrow (around .01 BTC) because the exchange collapsed, would that piss you off? Would you recover financially? Or did it take you 6-months to build that up and you’re living paycheck to paycheck? Find that number that you’re comfortable with losing if the exchange collapsed or you couldn’t pull your funds out, then when you hit that number, buy a cold wallet. Trezor Safe 3 is only $59. Personally, years ago when my holdings exceeded the cost of a cold wallet, I bought one and have been using them ever since.

PowerApp101

People have moved to gold. There is no demand for BTC whereas there is plenty for gold.

Awkward_Potential_

The only area I disagree, is when you said "you won't get 100x". It's absolutely possible that you will get 100x. On a long enough timeframe, a $10 Milly BTC isn't difficult to achieve. They're going to print *a lot* of money. Bitcoin is still only held by a handful of institutions and maybe 1-2% of people hold a meaningful amount. As it gets more and more adopted, the price can go very high. Remember, fucking Fidelity has a price projection of a $1 Billion. People have this idea that assets have caps. They just don't. Repeat: assets do not have price caps.

NOIRCEUR_TRADING

So you've sold all your BTC now then right? Only makes the most amount of sense since you know the drop price. Sell now, buy back, gain lots of BTC for free. Seem like easy money.

Antonio_928s4

We always hear “Buy the dip” or I wish that I bough Bitcoin back in 2009 when it was at a fraction of a cent. Well now BTC is cheap again and it’s been with ups and downs since inception. Let just imagine what could happen to Bitcoin for the next 10 years. I’m still hopeful.

DA2710

Yes I have used all. Lava has a line of credit at 5 pct with costs and fees it’s about 6. 50 pct ltv , easy to use takes 2 mins Arch I have used for larger loans. Higher rates but bank custody. Can use stable coins or wires Coinbase I have only tested with small loans. It’s a wrapped BTC which I don’t love but it works

Ztoxed

The process, in a legal term BTC is gambling. By its current design, it is molded exactly like a casino is in every way. Some of you take it as an insult. Its not. But lets not put lipstick on a pig. By all structures it is right now in its current form gambling. Holding is not a thing if you are losing money. Dude that is really gambling its based on hope and chance based on some past unknown pattern that has never been shown to exist. AKA Gambling :)

IslandKindly3832

I'm not, I just don't see another BTC boom until 2027...which means my play money is suspended 😭

Important-Purple6136

What is the range of BTC in order to be following the pattern?

Zanthious

Every single time too imagine if ppl secured gains partially and held it until a dip so their gains turned into more BTC... It's a shame when ppl are up so high and panic selling but most ppl in here bought post 20k. All the ppl who bought before are laughing still

flapinux

I look at it in terms of %, I want my BTC allocation to be about 5% of overall investments at its low. If it grows from there to higher %, so be it ;)

FuckM0reFromR

As much as I want the BTC price to go up forever, one of the biggest BTC criticisms over the past few years was the concentration of holdings in institutional hands. The MSTR bankruptcy and forced liquidation will cause a cascading effect on many other institutional holders forcing them to also liquidate their BTC hodlings. This sudden dump and absolute cratering in price will cause a torrent of cheap BTC for small retail buyers to snatch up, causing a huge redistribution of BTC and provide an opportunity for almost anyone set a foundation for their generational wealth. But bitcoin will be considered "dead" at this point and many will watch in fear, uncertainty, and doubt as this lifetime opportunity passes them by. Bitcoin is here to stay as the longest running crypto currency, and as the internet's "native" digital, stable, and decentralized medium for value exchange. Do with that what you will...

braamdepace

I have most of my stuff in BTC since around 32-50k. My wife has her stuff in a more conventional stuff. Last night I was like “this sucks” she just said “It will go back up, and if it doesn’t I will take care of you, but you’re gonna have to be my bitch” Made the drop much easier to stomach today

riisikas

If he was to start dumping BTC at some peak, then the market would nuke the price.

FuckM0reFromR

As much as I want the BTC price to go up forever, one of the biggest BTC criticisms over the past few years was the concentration of holdings in institutional hands. The MSTR bankruptcy and forced liquidation will cause a cascading effect on many other institutional holders forcing them to also liquidate their BTC hodlings. This sudden dump and absolute cratering in price will cause a torrent of cheap BTC for small retail buyers to snatch up, causing a huge redistribution of BTC and provide an opportunity for almost anyone set a foundation for their generational wealth. But bitcoin will be considered "dead" at that point and many will watch in fear, uncertainty, and doubt, as this lifetime opportunity pass them by. Bitcoin is here to stay as the first and oldest crypto currency, and the internet needs a digital, stable, and decentralized medium of value exchange. Do with that what you will.

Dr_Tacopus

From what I understand it’s 3-4 years before they need to pay up on their debt, so if BTC goes back up they’ll be fine

king_carrots

Unbelievable that this advice gets upvoted. Taking out a loan for BTC or crypto in general is a seriously risky and dumb thing to do. Even if you believe in BTC and even if BTC scales to 200k + that might not be for 5 years, and you could take out a loan, watch it dump to half its price and hover there for 18 months first, all the while you’ve gone broke and paying interest with money that you don’t have. It’s pure gambling because you’re not believing in BTC so to speak, you’re believing that BTC’s very next move will be upwards.

The_Bitcoin_Act

Based on analyses from firms like Chainalysis, River Financial, Ledger, and others, estimates of permanently lost BTC consistently range from 2.3 million to 4 million (roughly 11–20% of the total cap), with many sources converging around 3–3.8 million as a midpoint. Regarding treasuries (corporate holdings like MicroStrategy's ~713,500 BTC or government-seized coins), these are generally still counted in circulating supply since they could theoretically be sold or moved.

PapiMak

Accumulate BTC lower your average, trust me bruh

ubermensch1001

If you zoom out and give it a long enough time horizon it becomes irrelevant. Like BTC at 10k vs 7k in 2019 or 2020, fast forward a couple years and that move doesn't even register on the chart.

Significant-Fan-8938

I liquidated my IRA to heavy DCA BTC on this dip, am I gangster dad? Been waiting for this moment.

Ztoxed

If you are making money at BTC your and investor. If you are losing money, you are a gambler. STOP believing they hype. Yes I have BTC and I gamble. And I invest in stocks. Because you can leverage information. Whales alone leverage BTC. It drops because they say and goes up because they say. Stock market is not BTC, for all that is holy please stop everyone thinking this is investing. " Until "and if replacing the funding system becomes regulated by the same currency system by the SEC and markets, it will be gambling.

watch-nerd

I don't know where the bottom is, only where my open buy orders are. My buy orders for BTC start at $69420.69 and go down to $48,387.00.

mastermindman99

Everyone is talking about BTC going to 0 or a million, but most people miss the real point: The "Strategic Reserve" Control and the US govt getting heavily involved in the market is the end of BTC independence. The FED is and was at least independent from the government - this is why FIAT was kind of stable for the last 70 years. As of February 2026, the US government holds approximately 200,000 to 210,000 BTC, largely from seizures like Silk Road and Bitfinex. Under the current administration’s "Strategic Bitcoin Reserve" policy: The Trap: By pledging never to sell these coins, the government effectively locks up a huge chunk of supply. While this sounds good for the price (scarcity), it gives the Treasury a "nuclear option."  The Risk: If this or a future administration decides to "rebalance" or dump this reserve to stabilize the dollar, they could crash the market instantly. The "disciplined" approach is to hold it as collateral, giving the US government massive influence over the network’s liquidity. The US now also hosts a massive portion of the global hashrate. National Security Mining: There are growing rumors in 2026 that the US is subsidizing "Green Mining" centers that double as AI data centers. Soft Fork Control: If the US government (and its allies) controls more than 51% of the hashrate through regulated corporate miners (like Marathon or Riot), they could effectively "censor" transactions. They wouldn't need to "hack" the math; they would just refuse to include "unauthorized" transactions in their blocks. So BTC is not a hedge against the govt anymore. It has become the opposite: a political and economical lever for the US government. What they couldn’t achieve with the FED they got with BTC through the backdoor. Get out as long as you can recover some of you bucks. I got out in Feb when it became clear that I was involuntarily funding a US government operation now