BTC

WickedDeity

Crypto or Bitcoin? Bitcoin has been going up the last couple of months. I am still up since started buying BTC. It's not my only "investment" so no need to be worried. What is stressing me is the US debt and spending situation, looming recession, and an unhinged President. Kids to if I had them.

vcaldeira

1. The global network of BTC is as important as the coded protocol. A government-implemented national network will never have a similar decentralization level. 2. Will the future code changes be community controlled or government controlled? That changes all.

ncsakira

Governments don't want limites supply they need always more money to pay salaries. Deflationary currency is bad for the economy. Basically no one uses BTC because bad money drives out good money. Is the same people spend copper coins and board gold ones , in this case fiat are the bad currency you need to get rid of and thus use for transaction usdt...

educatedstoppage5374

The difference between holding Bitcoin and actively trading its volatility gets overlooked constantly. One requires conviction and patience, the other requires a repeatable edge and strict risk controls. BTC markets on Moon are built around directional price wagers rather than accumulating coins, so the two approaches really shouldn't be evaluated the same way.

One-Equivalent7184

Weekend BTC moves can look dramatic until you compare the liquidity with normal weekday sessions. I'd be careful treating every breakout as confirmation of a bigger trend. That gets even more important with leveraged wagers like those available through Moon, since getting the general direction right doesn't help much if the position gets liquidated first.

fearlessearnings2866

A new month always brings another wave of BTC price targets, but I think watching actual liquidity and how the market reacts to news is more useful than guessing exact numbers. Moon offers wagers on Bitcoin's price movements too, although predicting a short-term candle is very different from having conviction in BTC over several years.

__redruM

Yes. Back when I did day trade though, stop losses always triggered on dips that recovered before I noticed the stop loss had executed. So when I bought back in, I had sold low and bought high. If you’re trading on leverage, maybe stop loss orders are unavoidable. But for me I could just sit on a position for a couple days or weeks until it was positive again. That’s still mostly true for BTC, but I wouldn’t trust that approach for other less popular coins.

Ok-Yesterday1384

One thing Bitcoin keeps showing is how quickly sentiment changes while the long-term supply story stays basically the same. Short-term traders and long-term holders are really playing different games. Moon's BTC price wagering falls firmly into the former category, which is worth remembering when people start mixing trading predictions with accumulation plans.

Nice_Material_2436

I think it's already there but it's impossible to confirm that with at least a next ATH and a low I'd say. Hard to say when the spirit breaks and enough people finally start realizing BTC is never again going to perform like it used to.

Nervous-Jicama8202

So you're already sitting on a pretty substantial profit, and your main concern now isn't really avoiding a loss, but protecting those gains without selling too early. I imagine that's a very different situation psychologically compared to someone who bought BTC at today's prices.

imLusky

Ahah, I'm not trying to convince anyone I'm a BTC holder! But is just something that I keep thinking about!

Party_Treacle_9440

good luck convincing the existing BTC owners to switch to it (game theory 1on1)

EthanDavis63

0.01 BTC is 1,000,000 Sats. Technically, you ARE a millionaire.

Awkward_Potential_

If money is not a good store of long term value, a better money will be. Game out what you're saying here. If dollars leak value then no one should be holding dollars. If Bitcoin is only held by people as a long term store of value,then inevitably someday more value will be stored in Bitcoin than dollars. Eventually no one will want the dollar at all, if that's correct. When more value is stored in BTC than dollars, which is the world reserve currency?

Impossible-Trash60

I'd keep the schedule boring and consistent rather than changing contributions every time sentiment flips bullish or bearish. The temptation to constantly optimize entries can defeat the whole purpose of DCA. With Moon's leveraged BTC wagers, timing and liquidation are major factors, which is a very different proposition from simple accumulation.

JimmySki6166

Every day, every hour is good to purchase BTC!

MerkleChainsaw

How long does BTC need to underperform before you think it "stops going parabolic and increases at the pace of every other financial asset"? I'm genuinely curious - not a rhetorical question. BTC has underperformed US equities on a five year horizon, though it's a bit of an unfair timeframe because BTC was coming off a local high five years ago. Would eight years of underperformance (two four year cycles) be enough?

BuyIndependent2319

Great, now your 0.2% of your way to the 50 BTC I have stored in my brain

iSnapThere4iAm

You have zero clue how any of this works. Especially the BTC network if you had to worry about how things will keep working when the last coin is minted. Seriously serious ignorant. Go read some books

viachart_app

Congrats on hitting 0.1 BTC! 🎉 That's a huge milestone. Now the real game begins: risk management and holding through the volatility. Just keep stacking and don't let short-term price action shake you out. 🚀

ChiefMetcalfe

I mean yeah 0.01 BTC is almost 1000 bucks nothing to sneeze at

__redruM

Usually just wing it. I’m not a swing or day trader. I hold for years, so I’m well above my entry level at the stop price. I have a couple orders waiting at 81,050 and 80,500 on BTC that I bought under 20k. I want to catch the October uptick, but not sell too early. If BTC gets above 85k, I’ll move them up to 83k and 83.5k

Blueberry_Dependent

How many times I've seen this question.. Wish they gave me 1BTC for each time someone asks about that 

Exceedingly

That's like saying BTCL is the same as BTC

WolfBob808

I took 50% of my portfolio and allocated thirds to STRC, STRD and STRF. Collecting my dividends regardless of price of BTC. Will get back into the asset after all the market volatility caused by the war and interest rates. Give it a try.

crazybird-thereal

Just the IA picture, tell’s me to not read this bull shit... Why you dont spend your BTC ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ ? I dont know, why you dont spend money you spare yesterday on your 2 % by years saving account ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ ?

Least-Dingo-2310

The market cap isnt even at 2T and i know people that think BTC is too expensive because its at 80k. "80000 is a big number. has to be a bubble."

Vvandenburg

Ich kaufe nur BTC, aber verkaufe nicht. Die Steuerfreiheit nach einem Jahr Haltefrist gibt es für einge vielleicht noch, aber dass wird dann wohl auch für alle abgeschafft. Sammle deine BTC bis zum Alter und ziehe dann in ein steuerfreundliches Land zum Leben. Wenn DE auch das einschränkt, zb durch Besteuerung von nicht-realisierten Gewinnen, fängt mein Alter per sofort an.

BitcoinMike6077

Completely normal behavior. Bitcoin is inevitably hitting $1 million so ignore the charts and buy BTC if u believe it is the future 👑

BitcoinMike6077

0.01 might not seem like a lot now but so did 0.1 back in 2020. Remember that even now BTC is still very unknown to a lot of people so owning even a little means more than you think!

Lefties_TheWorst7331

My guy BTC traded above $86K for like 24-36 hours over the past one month.. it bounced around $84K give/take slightly for the majority of it.. it's now $82K.. lol?

Antique-Land-2766

Because you can't actually "spend" BTC in any meaningful way. The adoption at the retail level is basically non-existent, you can't buy anything with it in any brick and mortar business, pay utilities etc. It's almost completely non-liquid to retail users. To do literally anything useful it has to be converted to USD first and then you're dealing with an extra taxable event on top of taking a hit from transaction fees and exchange rates

on_hype

ETH/BTC ratio is near multi-year lows. Historically, that is a mean-reversion setup, not a sell signal.

chainglance_cm

One thing in ETH’s favor that people overlook: you can earn staking yield on it, and some ETH ETFs have started passing that through. So you get paid a bit to sit through the extra volatility, which BTC holders don’t get. It doesn’t erase the risk, but it does shrink the gap.

chainglance_cm

Yeah, BTC’s sitting around $85k right now, so it’s actually down from this time last year. OP probably bought earlier than they remember, or got in sometime in 2024 when it was in the $40-60k range.

chainglance_cm

Honestly they’re just different bets. BTC is the digital gold play, and ETH is more of a bet that stuff like stablecoins and tokenized assets keeps running through Ethereum. So I’d ask yourself if your reason for buying ETH has actually changed, or if it just stings seeing it next to BTC’s 2x. Dumping whatever lagged to chase last year’s winner is how a lot of people end up buying high and selling low.

Ok_Menu_1675

Sorry, english ain’t my mother tongue so I might have misled people in the way I said that. I meant it should be “decentralized blockchain and currency” in singular because there is only one truly decentralized currency- BTC.

Backrus

Think about it, Tom Lee has bought 5% of supply and price barely moved. Without him, it's sub $1000 token. Nothing more than a premine which doesn't know what exactly it is. If you wanna gamba, just go BTC/HYPE, work out ratios, but last time I check it was something like 90/10 split. You can buy HYPE etf, and cashflow is quite easy to plug into tradfi models. Hyperliquid got integrated into Bloomberg Terminal recently, it's the defacto crypto killer app (and the only real world use case aka trading).

janjaas

After years of holding both BTC and ETH, I've sold ETH for BTC only.

Ok_Promotion_5940

Great timing 57 was basically the BTC BOTTOM

PuzzleheadedHuman

Because nobody owns a ticker. There is no registry: every exchange and data site assigns its own symbol, and anyone can deploy a token with any name and ticker in about a minute. To put numbers on it, the coin list I work on at Coinpaprika has about 12,400 active coins sharing roughly 10,000 tickers. About 1,450 tickers are used by more than one coin, which covers around 3,800 coins, close to 1 in 3. PEPE alone belongs to 18 different coins, and even BTC to 9. Quantus is a live example. Searching DEX data for the name right now turns up 10 different tokens called Quantus or Quantus Network across six chains, under at least four tickers (QTC, QUAN, QUANTUS, and one that literally uses "Quantus" as its ticker). Most have next to no trading. At most one of them can be the project's own. What actually identifies a coin is the chain plus the contract address, or, if it runs its own blockchain, the project's official docs saying where it trades. So: 1. Get the address or native-chain info from the project's own site or official account, never from a search result or a reply. 2. Match that address on the exchange or tracker you use, and ignore the ticker entirely. 3. If a "Quantus" token exists on a chain the project never mentions, treat it as unrelated until they say otherwise.

audit-content-user

Not as lump sum, let’s say you do have $5000 and wish to invest to $BTC, just divide so you be able to buy 4 times a month over period of 12 months

cryptic-chick

You’re doing exactly what you’re accusing me of doing, though. You assumed my motivation, told me to sell and move on, and now you’re using that assumption to discredit my argument. My asking for opinions on short-term price movements doesn’t mean I don’t understand Bitcoin, nor does it mean I’m going to do what everyone says here. I’m here to get perspective and you’re conflating two completely different things. My point was in response to YOUR claim that wanting to make more dollars out of BTC is missing the point. I disagree. I think most people are in it to make money, and I find the sovereignty argument conveniently invoked to justify speculation a lot of the time. You can disagree with that without making assumptions about what I understand or why I’m here.

bongosformongos

Neither did you. The adress you shared holds over 9BTC. 99% user error.

Greedy_Rabbit_1741

Yes, the BTC Lobby, that wants people to be financially free.

quintavious_danilo

ETH is not a good store of value so it will never outpace BTC. I have held both for several years and BTC is now x3 while ETH stayed more or less the same value with massive swings up and down. I’ve moved everything into BTC now and am happy with the decision.

Official_Gulp

Someone bought 3 Vintage Pokemon Cards with BTC

tenor_tymir

What did you do? Sell BTC to rotate into alts for the alt-season that never came? Just curious what made you sell and how you were able to lose money despite BTC hitting a new ATH.

tenor_tymir

BTC will always stay “on-chain”, you’re giving away your keys though when you chose to let Sberbank handle custody.

JeremyLinForever

Depends on how much the currency debases. It’s pretty hard to think in monetary units, but think of what 1 BTC can buy you today (a nice luxury car) vs. 2030, when it can buy you a house. Even if it’s priced as $5m, so long as $5m can buy you a house then you know that the value rose tremendously, irrespective of the monetary dollar value.

PsychologicalBit803

Many in these subs simply don’t ever look at selling when it’s high and buying low. I trade daily. I have spot BTC I hold. If you want the profits sell it. Can just about guarantee after midterm elections it’s going to go lower if not before. We still have a pretty good pullback coming before we start back in a bull market. I personally don’t understand the buy and never sell mentality. Take profits and buy again when it’s lower. Build more.

JeremyLinForever

We are not speculating on the asset. We are speculating on the currency debasement and every other asset in relation to BTC.

tenor_tymir

I know it’s hard to do nothing but that’s the best advice anyone can give you regarding BTC. Find a low entry and then hold as if your life depended on it. Any tinkering is going to lose you money. We’ve been there, we’ve lost money and rebuilt by doing what mankind does best: **Nothing**.

cryptic-chick

And what are you buying BTC for? Bragging rights? If anyone here says they’re only in it for sovereignty, I call bullshit. Most people buying it want their money to multiply. They have different different risk appetites, but the end goal is making money. You can believe in the philosophy AND want to get rich. Just don’t pretend the profit motive isn’t part of the equation.

Advocaatx

BTC won’t ever be at 45k again.

tenor_tymir

I had the same thoughts when I first bought BTC at $25k. Now it’s at \~$80k. What profits did I lose by simply doing nothing?

tenor_tymir

That’s just how it’s always been. BTC can go both ways, rapidly. You made a good entry at 64k. That’s half of what others have fomo’ed in at the last ATH. If you don’t need the money and the gains, leave it in and sit out any volatility that might come your way in the next 2 years. We’re at a place right now where the possibility of going higher is far greater in the next couple of years. Ignore the daily/weekly price volatility.

BananaBully

> Only ten percent of adults in Germany own BTC and most of them just a tiny bit. No way it is that much. I'd guess it's less than 2 percent.

Grouchy_Writing_8537

Coming from TradeFi, I see BTC is still very early and there is so much more room to grow. Considering this, everyday is a good time to buy Bitcoin imo.

jasonslpt

Hayes is basically saying flight-to-quality beats growth when AI multiples compress. I buy that as a multi-month story. For the next session though, BTC near 82.2K still has to clear the short pool around 82.3K (roughly $156M) before that bid looks forced; if it slips under 82.1K first, about $180M of longs are the fuel to the downside. Thesis fails if AI risk-off never shows up in equity and BTC just chops. Not advice.

hodler1992

Everyday is a good day to buy BTC

superbblunder

On iOS I just add BTC to the built-in stocks widget. If I want to see anymore then that I go to Bitbo. Congratulations on your vibe coded app though, I'm sure you are the first to do it!

jasonslpt

I'd keep both rather than rotate into BTC. ETH is the settlement layer for most of the tokenization and stablecoin work happening right now, so it has its own driver separate from digital gold. With price near 2493, about $122M of short liquidations sits at 2488 and another $140M near 2495, so a push through 2490 probably gets a hand from forced buying. I'd be wrong if it loses 2458, where about $142M of longs are stacked. Not advice.

Upper-Media3769

You can't be serious. Only ten percent of adults in Germany own BTC and most of them just a tiny bit. The government doesn't even know what it is. They just understand as much so they can tax it. Regulation is so fucked up that enterprises wouldn't touch it as well. So where should any significant inflow from Germany come from?

a18618

I size the stop off volatility, not a fixed percent, usually 1.5 to 2x recent ATR below entry for spot swings, because a fixed 5% gets shredded on alts and barely matters on BTC. The thing I would add from running the numbers: the stop level matters less than the position size behind it. If the stop implies a 2% portfolio loss on paper but slippage on a wick makes it 4%, your sizing math was fiction. And skip round numbers. Stops cluster at them and the wicks seem to know.

bdswiss_trading

Honestly, the best advice for a beginner is to start small, understand the risks, and never invest money you can’t afford to lose 😅 I’d also take time to learn the difference between buying actual BTC and trading crypto CFDs. If you want to explore other markets, you can check out BDSwiss at www.bdswisss.com. Feel free to text me too if you want to chat more about trading and learning the basics!

id-ltd

AI may use crypto, but they aren't converging. Crypto/BTC stand on their own merits. If good quality AI can be securely delivered like BTC can, then that would be interesting -- but would be an external add-on, not a convergence (In my view)

OneTotal466

Um BTC has not double in about a year. BTC was over 100k this time last year.

BlackDog990

There are about 27 million addresses with BTC in them. Let's pretend each is it's own wallet. You could roll 1,000 new wallets every second non-stop for 1,000 years and the odds you hit a live one are 0.000000000000000000156.... You speak lies

EmbarrassedToe7405

Most of my crypto exposure is in $ETH, with a smaller position in $BTC. I also hold a couple of higher-risk, high-upside plays in $XRP and $XLM

EmbarrassedToe7405

I personally think ETH has higher near-term upside potential than BTC, but it also comes with a little more risk. Ultimately, it comes down to your personal risk tolerance. I got into BTC early, but I’ve since shifted almost all of my crypto exposure into ETH because I believe the potential returns outweigh the added risk.

No-Masterpiece2246

US government transferring seized BTC into Coinbase for possible liquidation

ThunderBurrn

Ditto... Went all in and moved away from all altcoins to full BTC in 2022!

WarthogOpen7003

Nearly everyone goes through the same education. You missed the boat with BTC but you believe the hype of sh\*tcoins and that they can make up for what you missed. The reality is most sh\*tcoin never even managed to better their 2021 ATH during the 2025 bull top. It's an expensive lesson but usually mandatory before you fully understand why there can only be one. There's BTC and everything else that came after is an inferior copy.

JimmySki6166

Convert all to BTC!

Lumpy_Ad7971

Man, that 70/30 split looks smart on paper til you watch one side of the portfolio just bleed out for months. I'm in a similar boat, not quite as lopsided but still painful. If you believe the whole digital gold narrative then stacking more BTC makes sense, just don't be the guy who dumps the loser right before the rotation finally hits.

cocacola0102

Realistically, if this happened, your bitcoin is going to be near worthless, so having it 'quantum safe' wouldn't really matter. Those 100 BTC you migrated are probably worth 50 bucks at best if there was a demonstration of a private key being derived from a public key.

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Vivid-Head-6484

Why would you NEED to? Even if the economy completely collapses, you can use other commodities as cash and keep BTC as your unseizable store of value.

manuel_794629

A live Lightning option is the useful part; showing the fiat total before confirmation would also prevent the “one BTC burger” confusion.

Sea_Fee_3396

What is happening right here? Anyways, BYDFi will offer higher leverage options of up to 500x for BTC and ETH futures, while the available leverage will vary depending on the specific contract and position size.

Beerzerker420

This would be great news for BTC miners. Less miners = bigger slice of the pie for themselves.

Queasy-Ride4291

Too bad BTC can’t possibly handle enough transactions for global adoption. 

MittenSplits

Old public keys that are not hashed (p2pk) are vulnerable to reverse engineering. About 2m coins. Most modern signature schemas are hashed (like p2pkh, with the "h" meaning hashed). But Satoshis 50 BTC blocks aren't.

b1mm3rl1f3

Absolutely nothing is worth giving up a precious .09 BTC imo

Mr_Mojobaggins

Sold 1 BTC last week on Binance and wasn't even charged a fee.

Bigdyll13

Wtf, they make bigger dice than 6siders. I can understand the part where you can't comprehend it and don't want to use it. There isn't much I can do for you there and this specific thing is a major "design flaw", as perceived from the outside, with BTC. Dumbasses can't independently create entropy because they don't understand it. When those dumbasses lose their Bitcoin due to low entropy, it makes us ALL look bad. You can roll a 32 and an 8, for example (these numbers need to be changed for desired entropy level) you can even go do far as to use a third as a multiplier on a lower number dice. The rest is decided from there. Wtf.....

ocean_man9999

You are early my ass, BTC will never become a currency it is a speculatice asset like CSGO skins or Pokemon Cards, nothing more nothing else

Fit_Seaworthiness_37

I treat it like Index Funds. You buy a certain amount each paycheck and stack up overtime. I do also look forward to price drops because it means my next check has more buying power. I also don't let price fluctuations get to me for two reasons. 1. BTC has been around since 2008 so it most likely won't go away unless Satoshi wakes up one day and dumps everything. 2. Historically over the ~20 years since the creation of BTC, an individual would have faired significantly better by simply buying into BTC like an Index Fund while having life changing money in the process.

Mr_Mojobaggins

Bought BTC when it was $900 and held it all til just recently. Sold at $86.7k and bought a Porsche. When people ask about the Porsche, I tell them I bought it with crypto.

Gears6

> OMG AI WILL HACK BTC fud. Meanwhile BTC just went down a bit to reset it's huge gains of the last weeks. You mean market manipulators are taking profits? 😜

Gears6

I'm waiting for the BTC $40k

jsh63

Bought an ASIC miner for 12BTC in 2014…. A million dollars

Ok_Box7345

Claro, pero estamos en 2026 y llevamos años oyendo el "despegue de BTC", no creo que la IA empuje a BTC, en absoluto.

__redruM

That’s it, I want off this wild ride. 1BTC stops out at $80k.

Omniwatch

Ofc I have it would be nice. I know with inflation goes up the price of BTC. My concern is that if BTc does hit 5 million per coin will 5 million in 2030 actually feel like 5 million you know?

Scarab702

I've stopped talking to people about it unless they talk about it first and happen to be a bitcoiner then it's a great conversation. It's pointless to most people. If they don't understand and read about BTC first I've learned it's a waste of time.

Hot-Bumblebee6399

Si no sabes analizar compras en BTC o ALT mi recomendación BTC comprar cada 15 a 20% de su caida, y en ALT de 30% a 50% en cada caída.. es decir SOLANA en 110$ luego la próxima compra 30% menos y así sucesivamente y en cada compra dobla tu margen, la primera compra 100$ la segunda 200$ la tercera 400$, nunca hagas compras tan pegadas..

Pleasant_Maybe_5523

With that much BTC, I’d look into a Trezor. Just learn how self-custody works first and do a small test transfer.

Pleasant_Maybe_5523

I’d start small and avoid worrying about timing the market. If you want to actually own Bitcoin, buy BTC and learn self-custody. If you just want exposure to the price, a spot ETF is simpler.