BTC

tron1977

I would probably do 1/3 in BTC, 1/3 in growth stocks and 1/3 in dividend stocks

tron1977

I would probably do 1/3 in BTC, 1/3 in growth stocks and 1/3 in dividend stocks

dontfeedmebsthanks

Blockchain.info or blockchain.com are one of the original exchanges for BTC. Never once had a problem in 12 plus yrs. Your account was probably locked because you cant prove funds, identity or something. Its 30k so reach out to support and verify your identity, source of funds or w/e you need to do. Be proactive. Most youngins here have never used blockchain.com etc but they also need to adhere to new KYC requirements.

theundeniable

I understand but BTC is not isolated so what you said can't be applied to today's market. It did apply back then when BTC was created but not anymore.

self_help_hub

Reading all the comments you just brought forth an interesting point: BTC is now backed by a system, gov's real world assets, hobbiest buying and selling stuff and tieing the value to btc, companies, techies, financial institutions, whole economies, micro/macro financial systems, savings & retirements, payments gateways and systems etc... and is responsible for liquid movements in the market and trade. The prices have a lot of resistance points backed by systems and checkpoints. To realistically break it they'd have to systematically break down the whole system including the nodes and mining rigs and traders and ecommercers and sellers and people in the blockchain system itself. Also, ironically burning BTC will only increase the value. I am maybe no economist but I think it hypothetically going to 0 would be very peculiar situation unless maybe otherwise stated. Glad the famed VC asked the question it allowed me to do my own deep research to come to this conclusion (I didn't know BTC had such a breadth of economic and financial utility).

AdFormal8116

Agreed. I’m referring to BTC not cryptocurrency in general.

DrSpeckles

All that may be true but it makes ai stocks even more appealing relative to BTC which does nothing and is not safe in any way.

askacanadian

I’ve got an order in for 1 dollar for 21 million BTC so it can never hit zero.

Awkward_Potential_

No, they'd follow you home and bash you in the head on your way into your house. Then point a gun at your kid's head until you take them to your BTC wallet and send it all to the address they just spun up.

theundeniable

Theoretically, that would be true if BTC existed in isolation. But what about the rest of the crypto market diluting its value? BTC isn't the only cryptocurrency out there, so new supply is still being issued across the broader crypto market.

quiksilva86

Hedged my bets on Kalshi. If my BTC goes to zero in the next 10 years I’m a billionaire

dexter0no

Whoa thats a lot. BTC does what bitcoin does regardless of all that.

CrazyRaccoonUK

BTC to USDC transfer bits onto crypto Debit card not held with an exchange. No tax to pay.

sigh_duck

Altcoins have been in a 5 year down trend against BTC so this isn’t new information.

monelz

Si estás en Portugal, priorizaría una plataforma regulada que permita comprar y retirar BTC a una wallet propia. Binance y Kraken son opciones que merece la pena comparar por sus comisiones, métodos de depósito y condiciones de retirada. Para empezar, compraría cantidades pequeñas y aprendería a gestionar la seguridad antes de acumular una suma importante. Una cold wallet puede tener sentido cuando el importe lo justifique, pero recuerda que la autocustodia también implica responsabilidad: perder las claves puede significar perder el acceso a tus fondos.

No-Masterpiece2246

I've read up on Segwit, and it does sound very sus. How could the Bitcoin community adopt this horrible code "upgrade"? Must be they bribed the miners and node operators? Segwit is idiotic. It broke wallets, made transactions more complex, introduced an inflation bug, and generaly enshittified BTC hugely.

northernguy

So, no Lambo then? BTC-USD is just a marker

TurbulentStiffness

There are places like Bitrefill that let you use BTC to get gift cards straight up. You can also look at other like Walden Pay, it lets you load crypto onto a card and then just shop on Steam in a similar way as with any regular card. Just make sure you are sticking with trusted sellers so you dont end up deadling with scammers

was526

Obviously BTC pumping has no correlation to a fucking McRib. Do you not know what humor is?

Clean_Difficulty_225

Just people being bad-faith in the argument by being pedantic because BTC is actually worthless and just a scam, so smoke and mirror instead of substance type arguments are all they really have. I suppose to be precise one would have to say that BTC will "asymptotically converge to zero", but just saying it's going to zero is obviously short-hand to be concise and emphasize the point that it's conceptually worthless. And yes, BTC is conceptually worthless, it will converge to zero inevitably, just one doesn't exactly know when or how that will happen.

Working_Salt_Mine

lol….BTC has many utilities like take money from desperate brokies. 😂 Or help the cartel and despot regimes launder money. Many utilities…

Kyndrede_

This might not be the right sub to find BTC skeptics.

braamdepace

Sadly they have to. The price of living is so damn high. I really feel for these people. It’s so hard to move up the socio economical ladder enough as it is… To own BTC long term you need to not only have savings, but also enough extra savings where you can put a decent amount into something as volatile as BTC. Otherwise it’s an emotional roller coaster that’s nearly impossible to not get affected by.

tenor_tymir

I fired up my DCA as soon as BTC drifted off -50% from ATH and I am still accumulating during this bear market. Had a few good buys at the (current) bottom that hopefully will turn out great in a few years. I missed the boat on BTC-related stocks because I’ve waited for even lower prices but finally hit the buy button last month, just after the rise. Too bad … but it’s still relatively cheap. It is what it is. 🤷‍♂️

MrMoo151515

The problem I have is everyone cherry picks the fundamentals of the protocol that makes BTC perfect money, and than uses that argument to box it in to a store of value which by definition submits to the existing credit system. Treating BTC as a number go up store of value means it will always be measured by something else we transact with. The credit games will always continue which means wealth is always extracted and flows to the top. Earning, spending, saving in Bitcoin not only strips the monetary premiums of every other asset class, it keeps meaningful power in the hands of the people, and governments in check.

ilic_boss

Brooo, save some BTC for us, u bought all 😂

Torshein

You're mathematically better off buying $900 in BTC. ROI is ~2-3 years if pool mining. If I was a plumbing co this would be interesting. You charge 300-400 to install an element that traditionally costs $20-30. Eat a 1 time expense (install and set up) + $400. ROI becomes a year. Remote monitor the element, keep the BTC and offer a free tank cleaning/check yearly or bi yearly + discounted water heater installs in the future. 500 customers would be 250k a year in recurring revenue for ~3 months of work a year.

FlowToSuccess

leave some BTC for us

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Post is by: Huge_Position890 and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: https://bitdataview.com/ \- \*\*Where we left off.\*\* Two weeks ago I posted about our live "order absorption" card. When a big taker order pushes the price, 2 minutes later the move has either faded (absorbed) or held (pierced). About half fade, half stick. I ended by saying I couldn't show it predicts anything. \- \*\*What I did.\*\* I rebuilt the card's exact logic on Binance's public trade files and made a ledger of every big order: 1,045,082 orders on BTC, ETH and SOL, Apr 2023 – Sep 2026. \- \*\*Coin flip, three and a half years later.\*\* The median day still sits at 49.9% absorbed. \- \*\*The pre-registered question:\*\* when an order pierces, does the price keep going? \*\*No, it gives a little back.\*\* About −1 bp over the next 15 minutes (t −3.6 for pierced minus absorbed) and −1.8 bp over an hour. Absorbed orders stay put. \- Same sign on all three coins; clear after the spot ETFs. \- \*\*Size of it:\*\* 1–2 bp against 20 bp of round-trip fees. Not a trade. It changes how to read "the wall just broke". **The ledger** \- \*\*Source:\*\* Binance publishes every aggregated trade at [data.binance.vision](http://data.binance.vision), with checksums. \- \*\*Same logic as the card:\*\* each hour, the top 1% of trades by size in the first 50 minutes. Look 5 seconds later (did it push the price?) and 120 seconds later (did the push fade?). \- \*\*Check:\*\* for 20 October, 124 of the live card's 137 windows came out identical. The other 13 were within 3 orders; the live job starts its window a few seconds off. \- \*\*Sample:\*\* \- the 8th and 22nd of every month, Apr 2023 – Sep 2026: 84 days; \- BTC, ETH, SOL: 252 coin-days. \- \*\*Why not earlier:\*\* Binance's zero-fee BTC period (Jul 2022 – Mar 2023) inflated trade counts, so it's skipped. The three-week coin flip from the last post holds over three and a half years: median day 49.9%. \*\*One correction to the last post.\*\* I said the per-pair rows in a single hour are "best read as noise". I've since checked against 30 days of the live card. Hours swing about three times more than sampling noise alone would allow, so some hours really are different. Only the thin rows (fewer than \~30 orders) are about half noise. **The test** The natural reading of "pierced" is that a wall broke and the price will run. \- \*\*My research partner\*\* expected exactly that, from watching the card during a rally. \- \*\*I wasn't sure.\*\* Big orders tend to be followed by more orders the same way, which pushes for continuation. But the last post also found that a big trade's impact peaks around 120 seconds and then decays. A price that is still far out at that point may just be impact that hasn't faded yet. Written down and committed before computing anything: \- \*\*Measure:\*\* the price move from 2 minutes after the order to 15 minutes later, in the order's direction. Each price is a 10-second volume-weighted average, to soften bid-ask bounce. \- \*\*Statistic:\*\* pierced minus absorbed, averaged per coin-day, then over the 84 days. Newey–West t. \- \*\*Calls:\*\* \- t ≥ 2 → continuation; \- t ≤ −2 → reversal; \- in between → nothing. \- \*\*Null:\*\* within each coin-day, shift the label sequence in time. This keeps the clustering of pierced and absorbed orders but breaks their link to the future. \- \*\*Power, checked first:\*\* with no real effect the test fires 5.0% of the time; a 0.5 bp difference is caught 88% of the time. \- \*\*Predictions:\*\* \- partner: continuation; \- me: continuation 40%, nothing 35%, reversal 25%. **Result** | next 15 minutes | move in the order's direction | |---|---| | after \*\*pierced\*\* orders | \*\*−1.06 bp\*\* (t −3.0) | | after \*\*absorbed\*\* orders | +0.04 bp (t 0.2) | | \*\*difference\*\* | \*\*−1.47 bp, t −3.6\*\* (null 95%: 2.1) | \- \*\*Per coin:\*\* BTC −1.1 bp (t −3.2), ETH −1.1 (t −1.9), SOL −2.2 (t −2.9). \- \*\*ETFs:\*\* after the spot ETFs, −1.6 bp (t −3.5). Before them it points the same way, but there are only 19 days (t −1.2). \- \*\*60 minutes:\*\* pierced orders give back 1.8 bp; the difference is −2.3 bp (t −2.5). Both of us missed. Reversal was my least likely call. **Reading it** \- \*\*"Pierced" at 2 minutes is not a breakout signal.\*\* On average part of that extra move fades. This fits the decay found last time. \- \*\*Why can't I tell the cause?\*\* Two explanations fit equally well: temporary impact decaying, or the 2-minute price being slightly "too far out" and drifting back. Either way, the extra move fades. \- \*\*The bounce isn't doing it.\*\* On BTC and ETH, bid-ask bounce is far below 0.1 bp, so it can't produce this. SOL's coarser tick may add a little. \- \*\*In a rally, prices keep going anyway.\*\* That's the trend, not the piercing. Trending days are in the sample, and the average still comes out as "gives back". **Mistake** \- \*\*One of my pre-registered side cuts looked ahead.\*\* It was "remove each hour's drift". The hour's average included the very price moves that define the labels, which pushed the result down mechanically (t −11). \- \*\*Discarded and logged.\*\* The main test isn't affected: each order's window starts after its own 2-minute mark. **Limits** \- 3 large coins, one exchange, 2 days a month. \- Orders within an hour aren't independent; inference is per day for that reason. \- 1–2 bp is far below fees. This describes price behaviour; it isn't an edge. \*Not financial advice. This is a research log.\* *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

hbn14

I'm stupid so I want to understand; are you suggesting that DOD / US Govnt might nationalize Open/Anthropic to offset the USD fall-out / printing USD into oblivion? China has accumulated a decent amount of Gold, Russia with Brics (potentially hidden BTC stash) ; wouldn't be "counter-productive" for US economy to make those "hard assets" go up?

bluegryffin

Yeah, these people are nuts. I've had my plate for 8 years now and I love it because its a great conversation starter. People always ask some version of how much btc I paid for my car. When people see the plate, the most common assumption is that I bought my car with BTC proceeds. Hard to get robbed for btc I dont have because I spent it all on my vehicle.

FoucaultCareofSelf

Ok, I guess, just saying, it's of no comfort to me that BTC can't go to zero, but can go to $200 or whatever. That's effectively the same thing for me.

BrawndoCrave

Lost wallets would not prevent BTC from reaching zero. BTC's value is simply a function how how much people are willing to pay for it. There is no mathmatical equation that derives BTC price outside of supply and demand. If demand goes away, it doesn't matter how much supply there is.

buebaurbling

i read it again and realized i misunderstood, sorry :) so this is a liquidity issue, right? if there’s no liquidity, does that mean nobody will be able to sell BTC or is that not how it works?

boose36

This entire week has been one big head and shoulder formation on BTC…

Immediate-Truth-8684

you can't really infinetely divide it, it can be divided up to 0.00000001 BTC (1 satoshi), so even this is fixed

ArchiMode25

The McRib has come back each year since 2017, I didnt check before 2017. Sometimes nation wide sometimes select stores. This graph only cherry picks when it was released and a pump happened. Does not mean McRib = BTC Pump. 2017 November 2, Select locations 2018 October 29, Regional 2019 October 7, Over 10,000 restaurants 2020 December 2, Nationwide 2021 November 1, Nationwide 2022 October 31, Nationwide 2023 Around November 11, Select locations 2024 December 3, Select locations 2025 November 11, Select locations

Alexa_2005L

Buying BTC right now is gambling—it’s no different from trading contracts.

AdFormal8116

The idea is currencies are controlled by central banks and governments who print more and more and aim for 2% inflation BTC has a fixed supply, which in reality is reducing (lost keys etc) and therefore cannot be printed Therefore becomes rarer (and harder) so maintains its value against FIAT

Carter922

1 BTC = 1 BTC. Few will understand

CyanDew

SPX/BTC says it all

KyvoraWallet

Coinbase and Kraken are two popular options for buying BTC in the U.S. Both are worth checking out, depending on fees, security, and availability in your state.

Then-Feedback7751

Oh fuck, I had no clue it marked the beginning of the most vertical leg of the cycle. My thought is McDonalds is re-releasing this based on economic conditions they see that also happen to help risk assets like BTC run. There must be something to it, because the decision to release the McRib is always going to be a strategic one based on when they think they can maximize profit on it.

jawni

They already are: 1. [Bitcoin miner Core Scientific to sell bulk of BTC holdings in 2026 to fund AI pivot](https://www.theblock.co/news/business/2026-03-03-bitcoin-miner-core-scientific-to-sell-bulk-of-btc-holdings-in-2026-to-fund-ai-pivot-391967) 2. [In the past month, IREN Limited reported its fiscal 2026 results and highlighted a transition of its sizable Bitcoin-focused data center capacity toward AI compute workloads, underpinned by new multi-year AI Cloud agreements and ongoing contract expansions with major customers including Microsoft.](https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/ai/articles/did-iren-pivot-bitcoin-mining-150655271.html) 3. [Bitfarms Pivot To AI Data Centers Raises New Questions For Investors](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitfarms-pivot-ai-data-centers-231042885.html) 4. [Terawulf CEO on pivoting the business from crypto mining to AI data center supplier](https://www.cnbc.com/video/2026/03/24/terawulf-ceo-on-pivoting-the-business-from-crypto-mining-to-ai-data-center-supplier.html) 5. [Cipher Digital loses $114 million in Q1 as bitcoin miner accelerates AI data center pivot](https://www.theblock.co/news/business/2026-05-05-cipher-digital-loses-114-million-in-q1-as-bitcoin-miner-accelerates-ai-data-center-pivot-400034) 6. [Why Hut 8 (HUT) Is Up 5.2% After Pivoting Toward AI Data Center Infrastructure](https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/ai/articles/why-hut-8-hut-5-111022243.html) 7. [HIVE Digital accelerates AI infrastructure push with $1.7 million Canada data-center land deal](https://www.theblock.co/news/business/2025-11-03-hive-digital-accelerates-ai-infrastructure-push-1-7-million-canada-data-center-deal-377306) 8. [Bit Digital Pivots to “Strategic Asset” Model, Goes All-In on ETH and WhiteFiber AI Infrastructure](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bit-digital-pivots-strategic-asset-020820479.html) 9. [CleanSpark (CLSK) Is Up 13.7% After Pivoting Into AI Data Centers And Hyperscale Hosting - Has The Bull Case Changed?](https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/cleanspark-clsk-13-7-pivoting-131801068.html) 10. [Riot Platforms' pivot from bitcoin mining to AI data centers is 'encouraging,' analysts say](https://www.theblock.co/news/business/2025-01-21-riot-platforms-bitcoin-mining-ai-data-encouraging-analysts-say-336129) 11. [Why MARA Holdings (MARA) Is Up 19.4% After Selling Bitcoin To Cut Debt And Pivot To AI](https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/why-mara-holdings-mara-19-230428211.html) 12. [DMG Blockchain pivots Bitcoin miner to AI data centre amid revenue slide](https://disrupts.disruptsmedia.com/ai-ml/dmg-blockchain-pivots-bitcoin-miner-ai-data-centre-amid-revenue-slide) 13. [Vulcan Infrastructure and Power, formerly Greenidge Generation Holdings, announced Monday that it agreed to raise about $39.4 million through a private investment in public equity transaction. The company also changed its legal name as part of a planned shift from bitcoin mining toward AI/HPC infrastructure.](https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/ai/articles/greenidge-generation-renames-vulcan-infrastructure-132807620.html)

jawni

nah... I was talking about all of these: [Bitcoin miner Core Scientific to sell bulk of BTC holdings in 2026 to fund AI pivot](https://www.theblock.co/news/business/2026-03-03-bitcoin-miner-core-scientific-to-sell-bulk-of-btc-holdings-in-2026-to-fund-ai-pivot-391967) [In the past month, IREN Limited reported its fiscal 2026 results and highlighted a transition of its sizable Bitcoin-focused data center capacity toward AI compute workloads, underpinned by new multi-year AI Cloud agreements and ongoing contract expansions with major customers including Microsoft.](https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/ai/articles/did-iren-pivot-bitcoin-mining-150655271.html) [Bitfarms Pivot To AI Data Centers Raises New Questions For Investors](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitfarms-pivot-ai-data-centers-231042885.html) [Terawulf CEO on pivoting the business from crypto mining to AI data center supplier](https://www.cnbc.com/video/2026/03/24/terawulf-ceo-on-pivoting-the-business-from-crypto-mining-to-ai-data-center-supplier.html) [Cipher Digital loses $114 million in Q1 as bitcoin miner accelerates AI data center pivot](https://www.theblock.co/news/business/2026-05-05-cipher-digital-loses-114-million-in-q1-as-bitcoin-miner-accelerates-ai-data-center-pivot-400034) [Why Hut 8 (HUT) Is Up 5.2% After Pivoting Toward AI Data Center Infrastructure](https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/ai/articles/why-hut-8-hut-5-111022243.html) [HIVE Digital accelerates AI infrastructure push with $1.7 million Canada data-center land deal](https://www.theblock.co/news/business/2025-11-03-hive-digital-accelerates-ai-infrastructure-push-1-7-million-canada-data-center-deal-377306) [Bit Digital Pivots to “Strategic Asset” Model, Goes All-In on ETH and WhiteFiber AI Infrastructure](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bit-digital-pivots-strategic-asset-020820479.html) [CleanSpark (CLSK) Is Up 13.7% After Pivoting Into AI Data Centers And Hyperscale Hosting - Has The Bull Case Changed?](https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/cleanspark-clsk-13-7-pivoting-131801068.html) [Riot Platforms' pivot from bitcoin mining to AI data centers is 'encouraging,' analysts say](https://www.theblock.co/news/business/2025-01-21-riot-platforms-bitcoin-mining-ai-data-encouraging-analysts-say-336129) [Why MARA Holdings (MARA) Is Up 19.4% After Selling Bitcoin To Cut Debt And Pivot To AI](https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/why-mara-holdings-mara-19-230428211.html) [DMG Blockchain pivots Bitcoin miner to AI data centre amid revenue slide](https://disrupts.disruptsmedia.com/ai-ml/dmg-blockchain-pivots-bitcoin-miner-ai-data-centre-amid-revenue-slide) [Vulcan Infrastructure and Power, formerly Greenidge Generation Holdings, announced Monday that it agreed to raise about $39.4 million through a private investment in public equity transaction. The company also changed its legal name as part of a planned shift from bitcoin mining toward AI/HPC infrastructure.](https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/ai/articles/greenidge-generation-renames-vulcan-infrastructure-132807620.html)

johnnycabb_

welcome to the party pal. i believe in you. keep putting as much as you can in BTC 💪🏻

aniperi

Daily dose of helpful tips ... Forks hold value for three reasons: liquidity (once listed on major exchanges with spot/futures, market makers and funds need inventory, which creates a price floor independent of adoption), sticky ideological holders (ETC exists because people rejected the DAO bailout, BCH because people rejected small blocks, that's a real constituency, not a duplicate), and cheap optionality (a fork is a lottery ticket on the parent's brand, priced at a few percent, not zero). None of that makes them good investments. "Has a reason to be nonzero" and "will outperform BTC" are different claims, and the fork premium tends to decay as the ideological base ages out and liquidity consolidates into the parent.

molnardavid84

Yes—if a coworker sees your payslip, a distinctive BTC amount can help identify your output despite a fresh address. Another approach is to make the payment inside the CoinJoin: Wasabi supports this with ordinary on-chain receiving addresses, not Silent Payment addresses. The employee's payment then shares a transaction with other participants' outputs, rather than appearing in a standalone company payroll batch. Amounts remain public, so an exact payslip match can still be a clue, but the other outputs are no longer necessarily coworkers' salaries. Is your concern mainly identifying one employee's payment, or exposing the rest of the payroll amounts together?

Peter4real

Blockchain was one of the most prominent “exchanges” 10 years ago. I It was the first place I bought BTC. You get some weird ass string of letters and numbers you need to write down, in case your are logged out and can’t use your credentials. This is not your private address, it’s a Blockchain.com ID. So it’s basically a hot wallet, where they hold the keys for you, but refuses to hand them over if you can’t locate your credentials or your ID. There’s been so many cases of theft, lost access and maybe even insider fraud which has led to everyone keep saying “don’t use them”.

Bogdan-Behemot

BTC -> stable -> payment

phideauxiii

dude the transaction fee is not separate, it is baked right into every BTC movement. a certain number of satoshi per kilobyte, depending on the mempool and how many unconfirmed TX are waiting to be mined/confirmed. this “percentage” shit, and it being separate? that reeks of scamdom. do you have a TXID for these supposed withdrawals? paste it here. i’d be amazed if you saw anything at all, bit if there was a movement of BTC to your wallet then there’ll be public record of it. and please don’t tell me that you are trying to withdraw bitcoin into a wallet that somebody else had any part in setting up. If they have your seed phrase or private key then that wallet is not truly yours and is insecure and any funds that you get can be magically taken away right from under your nose with absolutely zero recourse. if you need a wallet that you hold the keys to in a hurry I would download cake from the App Store and put it to use. It works on many platforms and you hold the private key and seed phrases and it’s compatible with most crypto actually. pretty rad lil wallet. Then any sort of transaction where you’re receiving bitcoin, you can put it in a place where nobody has access to it.

cipherjones

its wild that my GPU miners are roughly 10x as profitable now as that ASIC. Time to turn those shitcoins into BTC (and winter heat also).

anneke_degraaf_74

A payslip can do the matching too: if it lists the exact BTC amount, a fresh address won't stop coworkers from picking your output out of the batch.

Altruistic_Meal_2867

BTC dont care

stay_safe_and_calm

Just use non-KYC exchanges and swap your BTC for USDC or USDT. Then transfer smaller amounts of your USDC to a crypto debit card (such as Krak card) and use it for your daily spendings.

sheeeeeeeeei

Yeah , BTC has caused a lot of problems for people in their personal lives.

AnyStatistician2535

Maybe you are looking at the wrong altcoins. "Alt" coins are good for trading. There will always be a bunch of them that would be the flavor of the month, or week. The problem is identifying which one is going to be next week's winner in advance. Some people are good at trading these coins - or rather, gambling on these coins. But it's useless to compare them to BTC. Bitcoin is forever - it's the only one good for long-term investment and hodling.

Veshino99

Buy pokemon cards with BTC, sell poke for cash, this is the way

PuzzleheadedHuman

It's measurable, so I measured it. Top 100 by market cap, minus stablecoins and wrapped or staked copies, every coin priced in BTC instead of dollars: \- Last 30 days: 20 of 48 beat BTC, and the median alt is down about 3% against it. So yes, lately. \- The two months before that, late July to late September: 35 of 51 beat BTC, median up about 6%. That stretch went the other way. \- Last 12 months: 13 of 44 beat BTC, median down about 14%. Zcash and Monero are among the few clear winners. \- Longer run: the median alt is 88% below its all-time high in BTC terms, and 30 of 65 set that high before 2022. Of the 11 that made a new high against BTC in the last 12 months, 10 only appeared in 2024 or later, so they had no old high to beat. (Counts differ: a few coins are too new for the 12-month window, and some, like DOGE, SHIB and PEPE, are priced too small in BTC for clean daily ratios, so they are left out of the window stats.) So "lately" depends on the window. The last month is weak, the two months before it weren't, and the multi-year gap is the bigger story. None of that says what happens next. Caveat on the cut: I work at Coinpaprika and this comes from our ticker data, so if you'd draw the alt list differently, say how and I'll rerun it.

Dziabadu

They would part me from my BTC.

Accomplished-Eye5567

Collateralized lending I’ve been doing it for years and when setup correctly (consult an accountant), you can not only pay 0 tax on BTC sales (because there aren’t any) you also can write off the interest payments against earned income.

wisequote

and what’s why we ditched BTC and the whole segwit poison pill and the LN hot garbage and stuck with BCH (Bitcoin’s original design and scaling path)

ghostchihuahua

My parents and siblings, BTC was around 5-6€ a pop first time i bought. I hear that it was indeed a stronger currency than the Euro or the Pound (🤦‍♂️), but no-one, not even the familie’s absolute code-boss who used to work for mil-intel (now retired for years) did understand blockchain - rather he technically got it right away but couldn’t make out a use-case and would dismiss the examples i’s give. Others tried to laugh me off the table. The latter, more remote family, now have taken a keen interest in me since last year 😂

AnyStatistician2535

From a quick online search, this seems to be a good investment only if you expect Bitcoin to stay rangebound for a long time. Since it sells covered calls for income, it will underperform BTC (or plain vanilla spot BTC ETFs) in times of rapid appreciation. And because it takes leveraged exposure to Bitcoin ETFs, it will amplify losses in times of rapid drops.

Potential_Cry_9267

Op is doing a manual count and missing some things, the infographic is pulling directly from node data so they are not same inputs Your math is basically taking total outputs and subtracting things that are already excluded from the 195k number. The infographic already filtered out miners and consolidations before counting, so you double subtracted them Also change outputs go back to sender so they should not count as new addresses getting 1 BTC anyway. That is why real number is lower I do data cleanup for work and this happens all time, people subtract same category twice without noticing

JoshTheJolly

If you want you can send some BTC here below. 👇🏼👌🏼 3CY28Ea5zJzeNehGTVTJrAz8w2mtFAkgve

FleXnDiiNo

Step 1 find a card vendor that will accept BTC for slabs at location A Step 2 trade in said slab at location B for Fiat Step 3 Repeat step 1 & 2 as needed 🤌

Several_Razzmatazz71

No it's not.... Do you understand how the ledger system works on BTC, Russia just outlawed crypto transactions amongst its people, everybody can see the ledger, so unless you engage in a convoluted scheme (transaction costs) to hide yourself, it's quite useless

almo2001

If you bought BTC, and lost 3% immediately and you post about it on Reddit... you clearly didn't do any research into BTC before buying it.

CleanBaldy

When 1 BTC was worth $150, I decided I'd take HALF of all of my BTC and try investing with altcoins! I mean, what could go wrong? (I lost all of that BTC to pump and dumps, having no clue what I was doing)

TheAfterPipe

Wait so any BTC i hold longer than 12 months is LTCG?

joefunk76

It’s a big boys’ game now, and the big boys do not voluntarily hand over to retail investors the kinds of returns that bitcoin has had for most of its history. YouTubers with their “retire off 0.25BTC” videos and what not have done retail investors no favors. You’re not retiring *anywhere* off 6 months of a minimum wage salary. Bitcoin will keep its OGs rich, and perhaps provide modest appreciation for rich latecomers and not-that-rich others who managed to snag a vaguely meaningful amount when the price was a lot lower. If you’re someone of modest means who wants to see a windfall off a modest investment, that may still be possible, but it’s going to take a *fuck ton* more time than you want it to. The question then becomes, what multiple do you need to get rich? Assuming you’re not already rich, you probably need at least a 5x if not 10x. Well, a 5x will probably take at least 5 years. 10x? Closing in on a decade. Need 20x or 30x? Multiple decades. To the extent anyone got in big and realized a windfall in a couple of years, those days are long gone. Sober up. Big money has entered the chat, and while you might be early in the very long-term grand scheme of this experiment, you’re definitely not early in the short-to-medium term. If you’re young and not that rich, buy some and count on having to hold it for a decade or two for it to become worth anything meaningful. If you’re old and not that rich, buy some for your children and/or grandchildren. If you’re rich and don’t already own any, buy a meaningful amount (e.g. >1%) as a hedge against the rest of your fiat-based assets. Whichever of those you are, though, it’s a “set it and forget it” kind of investment. The market is not, within a short time frame, going to make you happy you bought it. That is kind of how it goes - and how it’s always went - with this particular asset. If that isn’t amenable to you, then bitcoin is not the right investment for you.

papatoshi

Use https://lava.xyz to get a USDC loan against your BTC, no tax hit

stellarfirefly

Did no one not mention BTC's volatility to you?

PoisonWaffle3

This is an interesting and potentially useful idea, but has anyone done the math to figure out ROI, break even time-frames, etc? Are we better off just buying $900 of BTC?

injectionsiteredness

River is a pretty standard and legitimate exchange. You probably triggered some esoteric finCIN flag. Financial institutions won’t tell you what you did that was wrong. 99% certain you will get your money back after some set amount of time. Something like this happened to me when I first started looking for an exchange. In my case it was Swan that locked my account and made me wait 30 or 60 days ( I can’t remember) before I could withdraw my BTC. It just happens to some people, and it’s not fair, but you’ll find an exchange that works for you.

forsenbois21

Solana destroyed the crypto community, BTC maximilist were right.

dislot_1015

Still bullish on BTC.

Consistent-Stage-217

If I was to drop $$ for a full BTC I would do it over 4-8 months.

Unlucky-Chicken2515

Absolutely not, BTC to zero 😂

Otherwise_Sun_912

So when it crashes another 50 percent before end of the year , tap your self on the back. Keep your BTC, I’ll keep my future.

IamNOTtheFBEye

I would have tried to minimize the tax loss on my BTC sales. Unfortunately, I dropped my seed phrase out of an airplane over the Pacific and have not been able to access my BTC since :( I just hope some lucky fisherman caught it

OdonsOwn1966

Welcome to the club, I am not even at . 1 BTC and days like this just mean that my $10 daily purchase gets me a fraction more :)

powerguy134

The cool thing is the amount of BTC you have doesn’t change regardless of the price. Sometimes your $200 a week gets you a lot of Bitcoin sometimes only a little.

EarningsPal

Continua escolhendo e compra ALT + BTC todas vezes.

Business_Fox_1975

He literally bought 4$ of BTC lol

InchWorm616

fuck, bro. Save some BTC for the rest of us. I don't get paid until tomorrow!!

nsbhq

Everything bleeds to bitcoin, even the BTC ETFs/Treasuries will eventually bleed to btc.

EarningsPal

The 2017-2020 buyers that borrow from their BTC are still smugly silent at thanksgiving. Especially the ones that live overseas now. Let the doubters doubt. You already lived 10 years doing whatever you wanted without a worry. Even if BTC crashes now, you still got 10 younger years of fun and no stress.

Otherwise_Sun_912

When will you people finally just give it up?! What do you really think BTC means

Aggravating-Map-293

I'm the uncle pushing BTC.

thisMatrix_isReal

OP just crashed the whole crypto not just BTC. anyway: adding more

jmorais00

You bought an entire BTC at once? DCA my dude Also, -3% is a walk in the park. HODL

Conscious-Pizza5469

Alts are basically BTC with the volume turned up. It drops a little, they drop double, it pumps and they barely move. BTC dominance has been stuck around 58-60% for most of the year and the altseason index hasn't gone anywhere near 75. I'm mostly BTC and ETH now, the rest isn't worth the stress.

Delicious-Dog-3809

Nope, Trump is about to lose the senate, dems will take over, wars will end, oil will go down, everything will send hard BTC 40k end of this year is really really really bad market analysis im ngl send me more of your calls ill counter trade them

Successful_Taro8587

That's BTC initiation! And get use to it because it always goes down right when you buy 🫠

Sherako4

I remember when I used to buy a small amount of BTC through cash app. It spikes the price up like 3% momentarily, plus it's "spread" and fees. It'll even say you bought it at a way higher price than it even was for the entire week 😭

Twist--Oliver

Interesting historical parallel at least for gold: the London Gold Pool (1961–1968). Eight Western central banks coordinated gold sales to keep its price at $35/oz and support the Bretton Woods system. It collapsed in March 1968 under sustained market pressure. Now imagine a Bitcoin equivalent: central banks accumulating BTC, then eventually coordinating sales to manage its price and protect the existing monetary order.

Miserable_Yard_7000

BTC is trash. Biggest scam of our generation

therealalphacode

You will loose even more BTC will go 40K until end of the year