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Obvious_Interview298

Definitely one of the hardest ones to orange pill in my life, but very glad that I did. She'll likely have a much larger retirement by the time all is said and done, thanks to BTC. Well done sir!

Obvious_Interview298

It was the largest lump sum stack of my life and very nerve-racking. If I had DCA'd, I would've had a lower effective cost basis but much, much less BTC. Lump sum is my personal favorite method of stacking.

Obvious_Interview298

I aped into BTC via a home equity agreement through Horizon (joinhorizon.com) a few months back. DEFINITELY caught closer to the top, but very happy with my decision now lol. HODL.

TheresNoSecondBest

How about sats, unless the tx is more than 1 BTC?

Echo0455

The concept is If you take a loan against your btc for 100k The payment plan allows for you to pay back, in its entirety all at once with interest, prior to the loan maturity date. At the time of payment, you will take a 2nd loan with the gains made by BTC 1 year cycle to pay back your first loan and afford the second. So kind of like this Start > 100k 1/1/2030 Loan > 100k + 12% interest due 1/1/2031 2nd loan > 112k + 100k=212 K due 1/1/2032 First loan paid 3rd loan > will be for 212k + 100k=312 K due 1/1/2033 Etc etc This is my understanding and it requires BTC to become less volatile and have a steady increase yearly of about 25% The amount of the loan will be dependent on the size of your stack at the time of the first loan.

vegtune

Agreed. Here's a start, and I'm having issues believing this approach is economical. If someone can do the BTC side of the equation, we should be able to calculate. Heatpumps have a COP (coefficient of performance) of 2 to 4. Bitcoin mining has a COP of 1 (like resistance heating). So we need to cover a 1 to 4 fold loss in efficiency via the generation of BTC. Electricity in The Netherlands costs between €0.20 and €0.25 per kWh. Doesn't matter whether you produce it or purchase it. This is the economical cost of a kWh. If you want to look at time of day, the number probably gets worse, as greenhouses generally are heated when there solar radiation. So the solar panels are likely not performing at their peak capacity, and energy prices could be above €0.25.

crazy_lolipopp

Because this sub hates anything that isn't BTC moons or Algorand

NotMeUSa2020

A security is something you buy because you expect a company or team to make it more valuable, like a stock. A commodity is something you use or hold because it has inherent utility, like oil or gold. Those in the Clean16, especially of note: BTC and ETH are now firmly in the second category. That means its value is tied to how much it is used inside a system, not promises from a central issuer. For years, that distinction was unclear, and that uncertainty kept large pools of capital on the sidelines. In my opinion this clarity changes the tone of the market. When something is treated as a commodity, the conversation shifts toward demand and function. For example, look at Ethereum… now no longer being evaluated as a speculative project that might run into regulatory issues. The regulatory environment becomes more predictable, which is what institutions need before they commit capital. Ethereum benefits from this more than most because of the role it has grown into. It sits underneath a large portion of the activity happening in crypto. Transactions settle on it. Assets are issued on it. Entire systems depend on it as a base layer of trust. As more financial activity moves on-chain, whether that is stablecoins, tokenized assets, or global payments, something has to act as the final checkpoint. Ethereum has positioned itself to be that layer. If the system continues to build in this direction, Ethereum becomes less like a tech bet and more like infrastructure that other systems rely on. That reliability is its strength. It creates a steady source of demand because activity eventually flows back to it. As usage grows, so does the need for blockspace, and that feeds into the asset itself through fees, supply dynamics, and its role as collateral. At the same time, there is risk. Growth in the ecosystem does not automatically translate into equal growth for ETH. Much of the activity is moving to scaling layers that make transactions faster and cheaper. Those layers improve the system, but they can also reduce how directly users interact with ETH. If usage becomes abstracted behind interfaces or happens primarily in stablecoins, the connection between network activity and ETH demand becomes less obvious, even if the system itself is thriving. There is also the question of how institutions choose to engage. Ethereum’s clarity gives it a strong advantage, but institutions tend to optimize for control and predictability, as we have seen institutional interest in more centralized coins like Solana. Some may choose environments where they can define the rules more tightly, or where costs and complexity are lower. Ethereum does not need to be replaced for this to matter. Even a partial shift of high-value activity elsewhere can influence how much value ultimately flows back to ETH. Even with those risks, my reason to focus on Ethereum comes down to where dependence is forming. Most of the innovation, experimentation, and user growth will continue to happen at the edges, across applications and scaling layers. But the part of the system that everything leans on is much harder to replicate. Ethereum is increasingly becoming that anchor. If assets settle there, if systems reference it for trust, and if it continues to serve as collateral within the ecosystem, then it occupies a position that is difficult to displace. Watch where value ultimately settles. If it continues to settle on Ethereum, the case remains strong. I think the legitimizing of the clean 16 ultimately consolidates strength of the big players.

meccaleccahimeccahi

I wish I had more time and I’d be happy to share. Probably something that would deserve an entire blog post or something versus just a response in Reddit. I’ll try to summarize at least a couple of things: 1. Never leverage yourself so much that there’s any real possibility of getting liquidated. In other words, small steps, don’t be greedy. 2. You need a large enough stack in order to do anything really. At the very least, one BTC or close to it. 3. You could do it with a smaller stack, but your loans are gonna be much smaller of course so it would take much longer. 4. You also need to leave some money out in case really bad shit happens. That way, instead of selling your stack you can pay some of the loan off and bring the LTV down. (But as I said in #1, if you are doing it right, there’s an almost 0 chance of that happening) 5. You also need money set aside with limit purchases at lower levels so that even if it does drop you still make up for the loss when it goes back up. 6. Even if you don’t have money set aside for all of that and your LTV is low enough. All you really need to do is just be patient because it will go back up. 7. Do the math. 8. Learn how to do technical analysis. You won’t become an expert, but you might get some warning ahead of the normal masses. That said, that same knowledge can cause you panic and make you sell. Never sell.

Thoric4040

4% is because it is assumed sticks go up 10 percent per year. If you changed that to 30 percent for BTC all to your withdrawal calculations would change dramatically. You would need 500k and be able to take out 100k per year.

Icy_Cryptographer417

Was a whole coiner for the past couple years. Recently sold 0.1 BTC to pay bills. Didn’t feel bad about it one bit.

Top-Care-8946

OK, I googled and according to the coinbase conversion tool, currently 1USD is equivalent to 2.030879653095028 Satoshi's. Seems like it is floating as BTC itself is very floati (Has very high volatility).

wkndatbernardus

Well, that could happen with any investment outside of fixed income type vehicles (bonds, for example). Imo, Roth accounts are the prime location for risky investments, like BTC, that have a likelihood of going parabolic because no taxes need to be paid on the gains.

ItAffectionate4481

3 things: 1. Don't invest more than you can lose. Not as a cliché. Actually define the number. 2. Start with BTC only. Understand one asset before chasing ten. Use CoinGecko to study its history, supply mechanics, and how it reacts to macro events. The learn section has good beginner articles that'll save you from expensive misunderstandings. 3. DCA > timing. Set a recurring weekly buy for a fixed amount. It's boring, it works. Trying to time the bottom is how beginners blow up. The crypto space rewards patience way more than speed. Take your time and tune out anyone promising guaranteed returns. 4. No leverage. This is the #1 reason the biggest crypto funds in the world blew up.

KCConnor

I hate how all these models assume a smooth 30% annual curve for BTC. 2025 sucked ass. BTC was flat. And it was a bull year.

Quantum_Core_Trading

Bro either buy and hold forever or for a passive income, I can link you with a developer that sold me a crypto bot. Making around $300 - $500 a day and it is 24/7 because it is on the crypto market, it’s running on BTC.

stephfxb

This is what I say to MYSELF, buy BTC for “pennies on the dollar” not the whole piggy bank

all_smyles

That is still bizarre. Was it a hidden Pen camera? A camera directly on his only writing table/desk? This lady deserves some BTC just to tell us how!!!

Suguha_chan

if BTC up too much, I buy more shares of an all world ETF. If BTC goes down again, I buy more BTC

0xZennite

How do you get passive income from just holding BTC?!

tooheavybroo

Is that wha the Strike App is for? Letting people borrow money against their BTC?

Shrijit27

I am mostly tracking BTC/ETH plus a few infrastructure plays. Top crypto KOLs like Balaji, Evan Luthra, and Vitalik usually highlight long-term use case and developer activity as stronger signals than short-term price action. That perspective makes more sense to me in this phase. You can also watch them to find out what's trending now and if it's worth investing.

Top-Care-8946

Thanks. Makes sense. Still there's some risk, that BTC will be partially institutionalized. Yes, it's almost impossible that somebody seizes assets in self-custody wallet but financial obligations will be applied anyway. From wallet to wallet it is possible to make transactions but when services like freezed account or temporary internet access denial then there's nothing to do. Therefore, it is probably necessary to understand that there is no point in risking tax fraud even if you use BTC as a means of payment. Especially since BTC is more pseudonymous than anonymous. All what I said is hypothetical but is inspired from an example of strict internet control that China is applying nationwide within their territory . If these measurements will be applied also in western communities then there will bee less freedom also in crypto trading world in it's entirety.

friggleriggle

I've been trying to figure this out, too. Best I can come up with is you invest the cash from the loan in dividend yielding stocks that yield enough to cover the interest and living expenses. Need BTC to stabilize in price a lot for that to make sense I think.

amirdc

BTC first, altcoins second… that’s one way to stay sane in crypto 🚀

amirdc

Stacks quietly building on top of BTC—definitely one to watch long term 🚀

mss413

2 coins i hold are $BTC and $PEP ! (stay away from tokens) $PEP with low mc does have good potential for some solid gains.

Always_working_hardd

Is it something like the 4% rule in retirement? Say you want $80K a year, you need $2 million to start with. I like the idea of getting a loan, and what's the assumption on the rate? A personal loan would probably be 6-7% currently, and then you have the repayments (or interest only, if you set it up like that). You have to come up with that cash, either by selling your asset or finding another means of income to do so. And you would need a hefty amount of collateral (like BTC) to get a loan worth getting. It's a good discussion to have. Presently I'm trying to set myself up with income paying assets - rental properties and dividend paying stocks.

GamerRevizor

Cool idea, but the biggest risk is liquidation during a crash - BTC drawdowns can wipe you out if LTV isn’t ultra conservative. Also worth stress-testing rising interest rates and long bear markets, since borrowing costs + no price growth can break the strategy fast.

mikeyaurelius

What a nice person you are, do you have e friends or family?.‘ Are you wealthy? Because I am. Mostly conventional though entrepreneurship and real estate, but I am also invested in BTC. Why own money stealthily? For what purpose, why own it then at all? You are just larping, aren’t you? Imagining yourself as this rich secretive crypto trader.

vega_9

Even if everyone used Bitcoin, prices for things like gas would still rise or fall mainly based on supply and demand, not the payment method. BTC might remove monetary inflation effects, but real-world factors would still drive prices up or down. Bitcoin mainly tries to solve the problem of centralized money control by offering a fixed supply and decentralized, trustless system. Not price fluctuations.

meccaleccahimeccahi

I already did this last year. I posted a spreadsheet. You can check my post history. I’ve made about .8 btc so far. Yes, even in the bear market. It’s almost like a cheat code. I just took a new loan the other day and BTC would have to fall to $20k for it to get liquidated.

ScilaAverkie

yes, it was also confirmed by some recent studies. actually, BTC was #2, just after stable coins

MysteriousKitchen469

Yea, the rewards are getting weaker and weaker. They also missed earnings recently and have sold a bunch of their bitcoin stack to pay off debt. They are down to 800 something BTC instead of 1500+. I want the company to succeed but it's looking like an uphill battle. I have been growing more nervous about leaving any BTC on there and will be following suit.

110010010011

Last time I looked, I couldn’t find a single lender that would go below 12% APR for a Bitcoin-collateral loan. The rates have traditionally been awful. I know the CAGR of BTC over any long term timeframe has far exceeded that, but that’s a big gamble that the CAGR won’t continue to plummet as it has been.

mikeyaurelius

Your words: „Tell no one you have crypto…NO ONE.“ Ridiculous advice for someone that owns at least 170 million £ in BTC like the person in the article. Living in London no less.

EarningsPal

What about by June? The end of March is not much of a prediction. BTC holds 70k in March, hits 40k in July, recovering to 50k, finally to 38k in November, then 100k by March 2027 after the midterms.

meandjarvis

Accounting/finance background here so I've seen both sides, traditional markets and crypto. For a beginner, the single best thing you can do is separate "speculating" from "investing." BTC as a long-term store of value with a DCA strategy is investing. Trying to trade it or altcoins on price action is speculating. Both can coexist but keep them in separate mental buckets with separate position sizes. Most people lose money because they speculate while they think they are investing. Tip your toe into the market, you could even try both investing and speculating with a little bit of money, see how do you like the two. Most people get busy and excited about speculating, think they are investing, ended up lose money and temper. While people like me who choose DCA will find this strategy boring and "lame" af. But hey it's working, and worry-free, stress-free. Call me dumb luck whatever but I am happy to take the dumb money.

Ghoststx777

If you're planning to hold Bitcoin long term, a hardware wallet is generally a good idea. The main reason is that it keeps your private keys offline, which protects you from malware or exchange hacks. Many people start by leaving BTC on an exchange, but once the amount becomes meaningful it's safer to move it to your own wallet. Devices like Trezor, Ledger, or BitBox are popular because they are relatively simple to use and designed specifically for self-custody.

u_spawnTrapd

That’s like asking for a steady 6 to 9 percent monthly, which is pretty tough to do consistently just trading spot. Some months might hit, but others can easily go the other way, especially with how BTC moves. Most people I’ve seen stick around longer treat it more as holding with occasional trades, not relying on fixed monthly income. If you go in expecting steady payouts, it can get stressful fast.

Fit-Poet6736

asked a friend to buy me $500 worth of $SHIB before it hit 110%k pump (as I couldn't be bothered to create another wallet, only had nexo at that time) - and he was like "stop with your bs already, just buy BTC". well, now I have BTC :D

ReallyOrdinaryMan

> SBF was actually arguing there was enough to pay everyone back It was part of the fraud. He declared bankrupcy when BTC was 18k, all time low at that time. And acording to US laws, he needed to pay his customers usd equalevent of their holdings as if BTC price is 18k. He planned to use loophole in US laws

Crimson_Bishop

There was enough recovered to pay everyoneback the USD value of their assets at the time of bankrupcty, not at the time of getting paid back. They sold what was left at FTX at a higher value and gave people back at the crypto bottom when they bankrupted. BTC was at $17k when they went bankrupt (Nov '22). BTC was at \~$65k when they payback was approved (Oct '24). If you were hoping to get your crypto assets back, you only got 25% back. But you did get your USD equivalent just without the 2 years of gains.

Outsider-Trading

The attempts to whitewash SBF are absolutely ridiculous. SBF was holding 80 THOUSAND BTC for regular retail users in what was advertised as safe, secure custody. When they cracked open his company it revealed ZERO BTC and 80,000 IOUs. He was gambling with people's life savings, while his website said their money was safe and sound, locked in a vault. The fact that his gambles turned out to be good, doesn't get him off the hook at all. He had zero right to do that.

No_Necessary_4396

scary AI hands. if that is BTC. I want out.

Oddsee

That's true but what's interesting is that even though the internet is full of BTC hate and FUD, regular LLM's are able to see past it all and judge it on a purely logical and mathmatical level (most of the time). Many people have negative, uninformed, knee-jerk reactions to BTC, and I think AI will help change that.

EmbarrassedGene7063

Honestly, I’ve mostly been sticking to the big ones like BTC and ETH just to stay safe, but I’ve been keeping an eye on a few smaller projects friends keep talking about. Some of the newer Layer 1s and DeFi platforms seem interesting if they actually get adoption, but it’s hard to tell which ones will really pop. Mostly just watching what’s trending in the community before I make any moves.

richestmaninjericho

I don't think you understand BTC and blockchain tech. It's hardcapped at 21 million coins.

s3426556

Interesting. I bought BTC at 69k with 80% of my budget last month. The remaining 20% was intended for DCA-ing. However, as many people anticipating another dip during Fall 2026 (at 40k or 50k), I will wait until then. If not, I will continue with the DCA-ing

ParticularGas8765

BTC is actually the GOAT of all cryptocurrencies. If i'd advice you can buy BTC and borrow to crypto lending firms to gain higher yields at the end of the lending period. I'll recommend you use altura trades though still under srutiny but good so far, you can still dyor on it for. It'll help you achieve more with BTC.

Donut_LordO

If the dollar slips, people will dump their dollars into gold, silver, and PM way before they would BTC.

EldarLenk

For me, I’d go with keeping it simple, mostly BTC and ETH, then maybe a few solid alts with real use cases instead of spreading too thin. I also think about what happens after buying. I’m more on the holding side, and I keep part of my long-term crypto on platforms like Nexo so it can earn a bit instead of just sitting there.

Doritos707

Telling u man! Its a suspicious maple syrup conspiracy. Look how clean the numbers align when viewing BTC-CAD chart btw. Its been technically trying to establish a floor at $150k Canadian for the past year and a half hovering up and down from $150k cad. Currently sitting at exactly $101k cad

powerchoice

Bought 10 BTC in 2017 for ~$2000 each. Lost some buying shit coins and sold the rest during the crypto winter of 2018. Not holding was the worst mistake ever.

Vegetable-Pepper7772

https://preview.redd.it/rrlrgmy0oppg1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed577600340a980107b0740e6126742cc91e3616 Honestly I’d go BTC. It’s not the fastest mover, but it has the most liquidity and tends to lead the whole market.

JLC587

I wish I would’ve told my younger self “There will never be a better time 1/4 - 1/2 your pay should be going to this every week” also I should’ve never bothered with regular stocks and full sent all my investment money into BTC.

jrodshoots

I hope so too! I worry BTC won’t follow as a hedge against fiat short term and is more a speculative tool now that has instant liquidity so might be first to tank if people need fiat to pay debts. But I also see it as the next logical step in safe housing assets from inflation so let’s see what happens! Outside of property I’ve sold almost everything and repositioned to be 80% GME, 20% BTC right now. That probably won’t be popular on here to say but remind me! 5 years.

AmazingfurnitureCT

BTC then all else is a shitcoin

BlazingPalm

It’s hard to fathom because most of us think of how much BTC is worth in fiat terms. It is indeed difficult to imagine BTC and USD coexisting for 30 more years, tho. Will there be a tipping point where majority of people actually prefer BTC to fiat? Maybe. We’ll find out together, I suppose. I hope humanity can survive in comfort for another 50 years.

Soft_Alarm7799

The petrodollar unwinding is the one macro scenario where BTC actually earns the "digital gold" title instead of just cosplaying it. But your instinct about the panic phase is right too. Short term, a real dollar crisis means everything gets liquidated for whatever is most liquid, and right now that's still USD ironically. The bull case for BTC kicks in after the dust settles and people realize they need an asset that doesn't have a central bank attached. Could take weeks, could take months. Position accordingly.

Top-Care-8946

Thank you very much for expression of your point of view! :-) Your explanation is very realistic. Sure, human factor will never disappear and also physical factors that may affect demand and supply relation will never cease exist. So in short, prices should be mostly fixed but will be also floating between some kind of tolerances? Anyway I was born in former Soviet Union's member state and I was growing up until it collapsed. In soviet industry and economic system most of prices were fixed and controlled by the state. But when economy became exhausted by corruption and low currency exchange rate (hyper inflation) then SU's financial system collapsed totally and USD or FIM (Finnish Mark) was used to trade during last years of SU. We might expect that BTC will not be affected so severely but some kind of shift in capitalistic economy system might be applied because already see how assets in global terms are shifting from one ownership to another. Especially there is a risk that USD will lose it's role in fuel and oil market and Chinese Yuan might take that leadership over. That would surely reshape also stocks and crypto markets because paying for crypto and other assets will be done in another currency (not only Yuan but for an example for British Pound or Swiss Franc) That will changes everything we are used to because cash will flow in alternative direction and there will be some other banks and vaults used to stock these assets. Also crypto might to flow through alternative network nodes that will be set up in Asia and other regions.

Johnty21

I’m 65% BTC 15% Sol 15% Eth and 5% Sui

Shittyzed15

Overall, if you’re looking for a platform focused on passive crypto income, simplicity, and strong BTC yield opportunities, CoinDepo is definitely one of the projects worth keeping an eye on right now.

No_Investigator3369

Similar but with pot stocks as well. I was on deep with canntrust and totally got fucked by the Canadian govt. Lost over $150k. BTC also dropped and had to see a bunch at around $3600 . It doubled .. then went through the roof. I try not to look back at it. I also bought palantir at 25 and sold for 17. I'm having a sale on portfolio management. This month only $500 down and I'll only take 0.019% as my rake. Best deal on town right now on fees.

BlazingPalm

Deep down, don’t we all know that Alts and leverage will let us down every single time? Stick with BTC

CherryRoutine9397

If the whole world actually used BTC for payments it would probably change how prices behave. Bitcoin has a fixed supply so you would not get the same money printing that happens with fiat. That could mean less long term inflation, but prices would still move because supply and demand never disappears. Also people forget something. Even with Bitcoin the economy would still have taxes, businesses competing, shortages, and human behaviour. Those things move prices way more than the payment method itself. In the early stage it would probably be messy too. Huge volatility, governments fighting it, banks trying to adapt. Over time though if adoption kept growing the system would likely stabilise a lot more. Also side thought. A lot of people think Bitcoin replacing fiat instantly fixes everything. It doesn’t. It mostly just changes the rules of the game. If you like thinking about stuff like this I write about money, investing and Bitcoin sometimes. My newsletter is free and the link is on my profile.

BaconGreaseShot

IMO BTC is the solution through the crisis phase of this fourth turning. You're spot on with your observations.

malacosa

Well, first, if you truly go all in, you have zero fiat to even buy groceries with, so let’s assume you’re not doing that. Even if you do decide to invest 100% of your excess fiat (so no excess spending, no big flat screen, no toys, no vacations etc etc), BTC is not your only option, and I’d still argue spreading out your risk is a good idea. At any time (as an example) Satoshi could come out of hiding, sell all his BTC, and proclaim this all as one giant Ponzi scheme and I can guarantee that would dump the value of BTC almost immediately. So that is an ever present non-zero risk.

Vancecookcobain

That's when you'll wonder how much BTC a dollar is worth

Odd_Barracuda9803

I totally get it. Leverage trading can be brutal. If you’re looking for a platform that handles this kinda thing with added security to protect users profits and capital, try xeniachain, it’s made for exactly this. Just be careful out there! They are in the presale phase and providing ongoing updates to the community which is nice. I lost $23,000 leverage trading Hedera when it pumped and almost gave up then found these guys that put their business number and verification at the top of their whitepaper and are implementing a tiered Take profit system to mitagate users losses and help secure profits prior to liquidation They support a wider array of memecoins and the popular cryptocurrencies like BTC, ETH, XRP etc  Honestly it's a safe vet to at least check out since we know they aren't cross country scammers stealing our hard earned funds like most scummy presales do. Oh and their socials are on the site as-well www.xeniachain.com/whitepaper www.xeniachain.com

omg_its_dan

Never buy a shitcoin. Wasted 3-4 years and a lot of potential BTC on that nonsense before it finally clicked.

angreysquirrel6999

Listen to your son when he comes home from university in 2015 and tells me to start investing in BTC and ETH. Life would be so different now.

SpoonPlateAndAFork

Many people think it's dead. Mainly because it pumps not so agressively and often - so they can't make a lot of money. For me it's practical same as BTC. Many stores in my country (Europe) allow to pay with btc or LTC. That's why I have some. Not much. Also an argument would be the scarcity. There's I think around 93% circulating supply already. I think it could do some crazy green candles, but I buy mainly BTC.

FizbanWaffles

Ah yes, it's the leftists who are deranged. Signed, a progressive BTC hodler.

macetheface

It'll be circumvented via soft fork. The issue is with old Satoshi era addresses. If those wallets are cracked/drained and not somehow migrated over it'll be a bad day for BTC.

Minimal_Gains

If the whole world would use BTC as payment method.... the fees would explode, the blocks full and the queue of transactions so large that trading comes to a standstill.

NilNow

I think STX still has a lot of potential. Crypto conversation is starting to focus more on institutional yield, particularly for BTC, and they continue to ship and announce important partnerships (Fireblocks, Circle, etc.)

malacosa

HODL forever is a completely ridiculous concept. If you’ve bought in at $10k and BTC went to $1 million, and THAT amount was life changing for you, you’d be an absolute fool not to sell. In fact, I’d argue most HODLers in at $10k have either sold already or would not be able to withstand the urge to sell as BTC approached $1 million.

icnews10

I think the key here is time horizons. In a rapid, disorderly scenario (war escalation, dollar stress), BTC likely does not initially act as a hedge but rather as a risk asset. Liquidity is sucked out, correlations go to 1, and everything is selling off. The narrative about BTC being a neutral asset is often discussed after, not during, a scenario. If the dollar were to structurally weaken, then BTC’s position is more interesting. But if there is a disorderly transition, then I think it’s more about liquidity needs rather than what is theoretically correct.

TripsterX

I think HODL merely refers to the strategy of aiming not to sell ever despite price action. I think that each of us have an idea in our minds about how BTC could be our 'escape' I honestly think HODL is the way to go, but selling to fulfill a meaningful, and positive change in your life, whether its paying off mortgage, paying off other debts, re-investment into property for example: that is BTC being used well. Selling however because you want to "enjoy the money" and go qnd live your best life goijg buying lavish cars which only create more debt, that i wouldnt understand and would say is a foolish idea. I guess its highly subjective what would make people sell. Anyone feel free to share what your end goal would be if you were able to sell even most of your BTC one day, what would be your idea youd like to do with your profits?

lookingglass91

Not sure what you mean, Initial Setup (maybe an hour depending how technical the person is, and you only do this one time): Wallet/Node Choice: Skip full nodes if you're not hardcore. Use a mobile app like Phoenix (iOS/Android)—it's fully self-custodial, **auto-manages channels, liquidity, and swaps**. Download, create seed (20 words), done in 5 mins. No Bitcoin sync needed. Alternatives like Breez or Mutiny wallets all handle channel creation automatically on first use. Fund It: Send ~$10-100 sats (0.0001-0.001 BTC) from any exchange/on-ramp to your LN address. Phoenix opens the channel instantly via submarine swaps—**no peer hunting**. Keys: You control them 100%. Backup your 12/24-word seed once. Use a hardware wallet for extra safety if paranoid. **Total time**: Under an hour if you're not fumbling phone apps. Even a full LND node on a Raspberry Pi takes ~2 hours ( Umbrel/myNode makes it plug-and-play)

RunKnots

BTC is like 0,1% of everything. We are crazy early

mossyskeleton

I was buying Bitcoin at $300 trying to get to 21 BTC. Then weed stocks came along and I dumped my money into that instead. I did get 3 BTC out of it but sold on the way up in 2017.

SithLard

"I received .33 BTC!" Narrator: "He didn't."

P-Villain

My mom saw how much i made from BTC and decided to join in only to get hacked and lose a good sum of money

mezmezik

You ccould not be more wrong. 1- AI Agent are coming, they cannot easiliy use real money so they gonna have to use some sort crypto currencies. 2- Cryptocurrencies are the best in class to move money around the world. Thats how I bought a land in a remote country. Having to transfer money in a foreing currency was far more complex. 3- Probably far more people are using cryptos than you think. 4- Even if its mainly a store of value in the end (BTC), this is the best way to protect to money against governement control. The war in is some the best exemple, people can get their money, the governement is taking money directly in the bank account of people, freezing their assets. You cant do that with bitcoin. And dont talk about intrinsic value, thats the worst argument ever. Cryptos has no less value than fiat. Bitcoin for instance, the value is in the confidence people have in project, if people value buying a 600$ untradable item in a video game, cryptos is an e-assets that is far more useful already.

Local_Reply_3436

People only want BTC and ETH. Whatever else you have/had was just a shitcoin. You have USD in America. There aren't 100s of other USD variants. There is only one. It's the same concept. At this point, price doesn't lie. BTC is it.

Ok_Winter8503

That’s a fair distinction. I think there’s a real difference between someone being 100% BTC by accident versus someone doing it deliberately with full awareness of the risk. Where it gets interesting to me is that a lot of people call something “conviction” when it’s really just unmeasured concentration. That’s part of what pushed me to build Crypto Clarity AI — because most trackers will show the portfolio value going up, but not really force the question of how fragile or concentrated the structure underneath actually is. Even for someone who ends up wanting 100% BTC, I still think there’s value in being able to quantify that choice clearly instead of just hand-waving it as conviction.

benditbackwards

you can't be this gullible in real life?? Did you work for that .33 BTC?? Ask yourself, this is ALOT of money, and I hardly broke a sweat to get it. If you answered yes, then its a scam or at least the beginning of one. This is fiat thinking, expecting something for nothing. This is not how its like in the REAL world and Bitcoin.

Sunshine_dmg

.... yall know you can stake ur BTC right

Yeagerist15

1% won’t move the needle but neither will the advice of “only invest what you are willing to lose” You simply must risk it for the biscuit if you want any sizesble gains.  Was curious my allocation so I did the math  I’m  21% Physical Gold (this wasn’t intentional) 20% BTC 49%  ETFs 9% Emergency/Liquid cash  1% rounding errors since I’m using a calc quickly for these numbers 

Ge_Yo

Sounds like a solid strategy. Do you think BTCFi will gain more adoption? Most BTC is just sitting idle, but more protocols are exploring ways for it to earn yield while keeping full self-custody, like with the upcoming Trustless Bitcoin Vaults.

Top-Care-8946

OK thanks. Interesting argument. So you think that BTC just could not be used as functional payment because there will be network overload? But if it's real cause then what final purpose should BTC have? To replace gold as an asset? Because if fiats will lose their purchase power then there must something to become that replaces fiat. Like in medieval era there were minted gold and silver coins as main payment instrument which later was replaced by paper printed banknotes.

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BuyTheDip_Repeat

BTC as allways, leverage from x2 - 10

Ge_Yo

Nice, and are you also considering staking it in protocols that keep self-custody intact? Trustless Bitcoin Vaults will also unlock more use cases once they launch, bringing even more ways to use BTC.

Top-Care-8946

If state taxes like VAT and other taxes like gas and electricity excises and property and asset related taxes are raised then that means that final end consumer products will be more expensive because manufacturers and service providers will not pay for it at a cost of their earned profit. End user will pay as always have been paid. So technically if state sends bills where tax calculations and demands are given in BTC and taxes are subject to be raised by years or more according to the state tax and economy policies then it technically causes inflation also for BTC as digital currency.

Either-Bumblebee4372

This place primarily cares about short term price action, that’s about it. Very few discussions about the technology and how Bitcoin is being adopted. Saylor has talked about how AI agents would likely favour Bitcoin. It’s going to get crazy when AI is let loose with some BTC and the ability to transact independently.

Ill_Location4524

I take “HODL” as a general rule, i.e. *generally speaking* it is better to buy and hold BTC than to trade BTC. Put another way: Its core value is in storing and appreciating value over time, not trying to time ins and outs and tops and bottoms.