BTC

qik7

Why not just go put your money in BTC predictive markets? Not saying you are right or wrong but if you think you know it's worth the consideration. Then you could really makes some gains here

umirinbrah29

But they are increasing your BTC exposure per share through the financial tools they have in their arsenal to do so. I don't think yield is a misrepresentation, they are extremely transparent with ongoing exposure to debt, so there is no illusion going on in my eyes. There is a BTC yield, but that comes with either common stock dilution, or debt servicing costs. But we all know this, as long as we believe BTC will rise quicker than the nominal dividend obligations over a long time horizon, and we buy in at a sensible mNAV, we as common stock shareholders will be in a very good position.

Electronic_Fuel9368

Yes, but he does make a good point, i could have 20k worth of BTC when it’s priced now at 78k. Although I don’t, then i’d only have 0.25 of a coin, I bought it at 60k (0.3 of a coin).

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Post is by: Bcom_Mod and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/bitcoin_com/comments/1st8tpr/at_their_current_pace_strategy_will_hold_1/ The numbers from Strategy's latest disclosure are worth sitting with properly because they describe something genuinely unprecedented in Bitcoin's history. On April 20, Strategy filed an 8-K confirming it had acquired 34,164 BTC for $2.54 billion: its third-largest weekly purchase ever. That brings total holdings to 815,061 BTC. At their current daily acquisition pace of roughly 774 BTC, River Financial projects they'll cross 1,000,000 Bitcoin by December 15 of this year. That's approximately 5% of all bitcoin that will ever exist, held on a single balance sheet. But the more interesting story is *how* they're doing it. Strategy has built a capital structure unlike anything in corporate finance. Their STRC preferred stock, paying an 11.5% annual dividend monthly, has become a machine for extracting institutional capital and routing it directly into BTC. River's data shows that STRC proceeds last week outpaced the net inflows of all US spot Bitcoin ETFs combined by nearly 10 to 1. This mechanism is elegant and slightly dizzying. Yield-hungry institutional investors buy STRC for the 11.5% dividend. That capital goes straight to buying Bitcoin. Bitcoin appreciates. Strategy's balance sheet looks better. More investors buy STRC. More Bitcoin gets bought. The flywheel, when it works, is genuinely self-reinforcing. And with $21 billion in remaining ATM capacity, it has significant runway left. [What the 1 million BTC milestone would actually mean is worth thinking through.](https://news.bitcoin.com/strategy-could-reach-1-million-bitcoin-by-late-2026-river-notes-strc-inflows-dwarf-etf-net-gains/) At current supply, that's roughly 4.76% of the hard cap of 21 million — and when you account for the estimated 3-4 million coins permanently lost, it's closer to 6% of the effectively circulating supply held by a single publicly-traded company in Virginia. Saylor said 2026 would be the last year you could buy Bitcoin under $100K. At the pace he's buying, he might be right for reasons that have nothing to do with macro. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

Patient-Jicama9438

I knew a friend who worked at FedEx. Put money every paycheck towards BTC years ago. I didnt believe him no one did. Well hes retired at 32.

BIGZ_998

FIRST OF ALL CONGRATULATIONS 🎊 IF IT’S TRUE SECOND Ignored ALL the noise and keep DCA’ING DAILY AND THIRD THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE ☝️ OF ALL STOP TELLING PEOPLE ABOUT YOUR BTC KEEP YOUR FINANCES TO YOURSELF GOOD LUCK 🫡

ashiieyy07

How much of a BTC u got?

crypto-mood

Well it not much about retail, but I am very bullish on BTC next 2 month

coinluv

I don’t go to Starbucks, make my coffee at home. Stopped getting food delivery and cook. Don’t get my hair and nails done unless it’s a special occasion. Don’t use gas to go anywhere if I can Zoom into the meeting. Add that up and in 5 years I’ve built a nice BTC stack. Wish I had started saving twenty years ago but…I got it now. You don’t need to make a lot of money, just DCA and be consistent.

Micesmoi

Almost a year ago you were saying “get in BTC now or never” now you telling me to wait. I wanna see what you seeing too

BrooklynNeinNein_

This is still assuming that retail would drive BTC price like in 2017. This is not the case anymore, institutional investors don't give a fuck about whatever crypto influencer.

ilfollevolo

Perfect description of BTC

ScholarPlayful3421

I do 40% BTC 40% S&P500 10% International stocks 10% ETH

West-Possession-9974

Don't trade leverages. You're gambling. You said it yourself you based this on a hunch about BTC being down. Most profitable leverage traders have high value inside knowledge. Buy into some actual RWA coins. Dollar cost average in whenever you can and treat that just like that trade treat holding just like you keep pushing that short further keep holding. In the nicest way possible it isn't a trading problem that's a self control problem until you sort that maybe stay away from trading altogether. You've got this.

ScholarPlayful3421

Honestly I forget I have it sometimes…I’ll just be adding up my money from various accounts and I’ll totally forget to include my Coinbase account lol to be fair I’m not DCA rn so once I start doing that I’ll probably remember that I own BTC lol…I’m just so bought in to not selling ever that I’ve completely put it out of my mind

Blockchainauditor

The Bitcoin whitepaper says protecting the consumer (the sender of BTC) is not Bitcoin’s responsibility, as simple escrow methods should serve.

Exciting_Beautiful65

It's a good moment to buy. Even better to buy MSTR. With BTC in 120k in a few months, is a 50% upside (and 75-80% upside with Strategy)

panthera_N

BTC has just broken above the upper trend line, and could rise to resistance at 85k, then retest 76k. At least this is the short-term direction - next week.

middiescoach11

The majority of projects are under their 200 week moving average but BTC is not yet. Fear and greed is almost green. So this is likely the last pump before bottoming out sequence starts. Once the paper oil price reaches closer to its actual price that’s when the elevator drops and new floor will be set more than likely. Then when we finally start going back up End Q3/beginning Q4 is when all these super cycle people will say they were right.

Spicyocto

That’d be devastating if it came into effect. I was considering moving to aus from nz as our tax system for BTC is atrocious. Not if this goes through

Vegetable_Peanut2166

BTC loans would be the hack

Informal-Ad220

I have a fair amount of BTC. But I've never "used" it. I've only bought it.

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dularn

"If you told me you owned all of the Bitcoin in the world and you offered it to me for $25, I wouldn't take it because what would I do with it? I'd have to sell it back to you one way or another. It isn't going to do anything." - Warren Buffett  If you're going to quote the guy wouldn't it make more sense to include his actual thoughts on BTC?

Flaky_Concentrate898

the people that dont understand that, have no idea what you are talking about... they dont even understand where people really make money on BTC, on the volume and volatility... not any long term hold. they are simple people that dont seem to know that NVDA and other much higher performers exist for a casual long term hold play. and this post got deleted lol

DeathFood

My point was about deceptive language not about the overall thesis of MSTR Yield is the product of an investment BTC Yield as Strategy defines it is borrowing money to buy more Bitcoin That’s the only issue I’m speaking on right now

110010010011

It’s the BTC address bc1qhcl4020vf6crl72n8pme09kzh44gvmc0flajn2 Which has received 0.00026188 BTC ($20) so far.

tedusam

Daytrade BTC lmao

Fromthefuture9

I believe this sub is 70%+ populated by ai bots programmed to try and hype up bitcoin. Activity and blocking behavior supports this. Once I realized this, the comments on this sub make a lot more sense. I was in crypto from 2017 to 2025. Saw two “cycles”. I am fully in stocks now. Socially, everyone HATES crypto and thinks of it as a scam. SBF ruined it for everyone. It will take time for that stink to wash off. BTC will pop again in 2027 based on how many buyers anticipate a 4 year cycle returning. But for the next 18-24 months BTC will trade sideways or down as it finds its bottom. Probably retesting previous ath for a while. I’m not wasting the next two years DCAing into bitcoin while its price remains steady. But what do I know? I only have a masters degree and over a decade of trading under my belt. The people commenting on this sub are cultish in their attitude toward btc and flame anything that doesn’t directly imply BTC is the best way to invest your money at this very second. Dead internet theory, it’s mostly bots, operated by whales to manipulate the price, as part of a larger campaign involving influencers and advertisements.

DazzlingNet1516

Haha this feels true. The second I make up my mind I’m convinced the market will do the opposite. First BTC buy and I think I’m already getting the full experience.

RevengeRabbit00

MSTR makes the bet that BTC will on average increase in value far more than the current 11.5% dividend rate. By purchasing MSTR, I’m making that same bet. I’m also pretty certain they will have no problem increasing their cash buffer, since they’ve had no problem quickly raising more than 2 billion while in a bitcoin bear market. You’re assuming they will not continue to increase their cash balance. Being last in line if they fail is the price you pay for the upside. If I didn’t want volatility and risk I would have bought STRC(like a LOT of people are). I’ll take the risk and the upside. So far that’s worked very well for me. If in the future it doesn’t and I was wrong then that’s the fuckin’ way she goes.

AirwolfCS

I’m positive, but not it rain on the parade - I think anything parabolic in the near or medium term is highly unlikely. The major fundamental difference between this market regime and regimes of the past is that we are living in the era of the overwriter Between yieldmax, roundhill, and others there’s an unending supply of calls dumped in the market every week in the etf, and in OTC swaps miners have been selling covered calls against their treasuries consistently. Even GameStop has been selling covered calls against their treasury BTC. All of this means that, at least in BTC, every leg up will run into quick resistance as spot moves towards the covered call strikes, and the dealers and market makers who are long all the calls (who bought them from the ETFs and the miners and the DATs) have a ton of long gamma to hedge, so they’ve got tons and tons of spot to sell into every rally Eventually maybe we’ll have a big push through and the overwriters will get bitten and have their btc called away or will have to buy back their short calls at a big loss if they go way in the money, and after that happens a couple of times it might shift the market dynamic and they’ll be shy about aggressively selling upside calls after that… then and only then can there really be any sort of parabolic move Until then, there’s just so much supply of upside calls that it’s an insurmountable push to go up too fast, every rally will just be a step function that hits resistance and then pauses for awhile before it can go higher (Note this is really just for btc… other coins don’t have this supply of upside calls dumped on the market constantly)

Remarkable-Opening69

Because his average price sucks for having almost a million BTC

happyhummus007

That's currently 0.0278205 BTC

XXsforEyes

Increasingly, there are BTC-knowledgeable business positioning for the very long-term. I am hopeful that they are plentiful and competitive enough over the next couple decades. 🤞

RevengeRabbit00

When I bought MSTR I had .25 btc in “btc per share” it is now at .5 btc. What would you call that aside from BTC yield? I wouldn’t get too hung up on semantics. Is he supposed to invent new words just because it relates to Bitcoin?

OriginalOk2939

Do you think ETH, besides BTC, is worth buying in large quantities right now?

snksleepy

BTC is on a bull trend on the daily charts. So $90k BTC is inevitable.

prw361

Pretty even right now… Total BTC Value: ~$63.9 Billion (815,061 BTC × $78,398) MSTR Market Cap: ~$63 Billion

Dramatic_Wear_1658

Are you coked out or something? To make such an insane declarative statement after BTC is still in the process of trying to break out of a 2 month consolidation structure, is nothing short of a drugged out delusion. At most we can call this a correction of the overall downtrend. Now it def is possible that the cycle is broken due to the changing landscape of this maturing asset. But also this thing could easily just come up to fill the CME gap or hit a key resistance before continuing down. Maybe we’ve hit the bottom. Maybe we get one last push down to a slightly lower low like 50k. Maybe we yet still get another huge dump to 35-40k, consolidate, and we’re here all over again in 6-12 months debating whether or not the bottom is in. Point is, similar to how we couldn’t confirm the Oct 25’ Top till the Feb 26’ break of the 74k support, it will take many months after the bottom rolls in before we can finally declare the bottom. At the very minimum we will need: 1. Higher Highs 2. Higher Lows 3. Resistances Flipping to Support 4. 200 Day MA Broken & Backtested as Support 5. 98k Broken & Backtested as Support Once all of these are fulfilled then you can declare a bottom. Until then, you are still in a downtrend my good sir.

HSuke

Even in a bullish case where Bitcoin exceed's gold's market cap, it's very unlikely that the block subsidy will stay above average Tx fees by 2060. **Here's the math behind it**: There are 10 halvings until 2060. That's a 99.90% drop, so BTC needs to rise 1000x to offset that. BTC currently has a $1.5T market cap. It's not going to rise 1000x to $1500T because the entire mcap of all assets in the world is about $500T. The mcap of the world's publicly traded stocks is about $120 trillion. Tx fees are currently 1% of the block subsidy. Realistically in a bull case, BTC will reach the market cap of gold in 30 years, and that's a 10x increase. At a 10x increase with 10 halvings, the block subsidy will be equal to the amount of Tx fees.

Cptn_BenjaminWillard

A question ... is their stock currently trading at a premium or a discount to actual BTC, based upon underlying asset value?

TheBestintheWest11

yea something seems off with his purchases of BTC. Then again what do I know.

decentralised_cash

Yes, it's a good idea. As you start buying, also look up self-custody. You really *shouldn't* leave your coins on an exchange (or they're not **your** coins). Make yourself a wallet on BlueWallet (for iOS/Android) to practice withdrawing a little BTC there and sending it around. For larger amounts, you should eventually consider using a [hardware wallet](https://trezor.io) for storage.

DeathFood

They also call it “BTC Yield” when the amount of Bitcoin increases because they’ve sold common shares or issued new preferred shares. Saylor loves to misuse standard financial terms in order to make his product seem less scammy A lot of verbal gymnastics to redefine using other people’s money to buy a risk asset, an activity as old as investing itself

defeater33

No leverage. Just stay with ETH and BTC 90% or greater of crypto investments. Use monthly candle chart to buy at lows and sell on the highs for longterm. Don't get greedy. Big swings mean a lot money(50%-100%) while being safe.

SpontaneousDream

LOL I can't belive people still believe this utter bullshit. None of what you said matters when virtually zero value accrues to the ETH token. There are no spot buybacks of ETH using protocl revenue (which is peanuts anyways). Burns are easily offset by new issuance. ETH/BTC has been down for almost a decade...

LuckyWinds

> anywhere from 10x to 1000X cheaper than to run a traditional Supercomputer AI question/computation So how much to crack a single bitcoin public key? > This isnt just a "random" single person tho, he is considered by many a "leader" in the space. No he isn't. I barely know who he is and I've been following this space closely for over a decade. > Its the strongest option though. Again Other options dont address the weakness in BTC security model. I don't know why you think it's the strongest option. I also don't know what you mean by "Other options dont address the weakness in BTC security model." > The people deciding arent the holders. to make an analogy, The people deciding on what upgrades get implemented into lets say Ebay, arent the users, they're the shareholders of Ebay stock. The needs and interests of the Ebay users are vastly different than Ebay stock holders. That's whats happening and been happening here with BTC and its code. It was supposed to be 1 CPU = 1 Vote. those days are long gone now. How is it long gone? I don't understand what you are claiming at all. I think it would be better if you were specific and not using some analogy that doesn't make sense in this context. > It will indeed go from 1 day we couldnt crack it, to one day we can crack it. That's not what I said. I specifically asked "So you think quantum will go from impossible to crack a single public key to being able to crack one in 9 minutes instantly? Like one day researchers will say "Yesterday we couldn't crack a public key, but today we can in 9 minutes" You think the technology will develop in this type of time frame?"

Crystal_Smitha

i’m still cautious tho. i keep most of my BTC in gem wallet and only test these BTCFi ideas with small amounts. if something breaks i don’t want it touching my core stack

RealCryptoCrank

Remember. We do not have quarterly reports for crypto like stocks. So when you “invest” the determining factor for the product is …does it still have devs working? Gaining partnerships? Being used in real world use cases? These are a must for me to even think about investing. My portfolio for institutional bullrun/institutional bear market is BTC, ETH, BNB, SOL, TRX, HYPE.

PaulitaN_Price

yeah this feels different from the old “wrap your BTC and pray” model. if the coins actually stay on Bitcoin and you’re just using them as locked security, that’s a big improvement

Revolutionary-Cup78

Yea, the best path forward for BTC would be to "burn" all assets that don't migrate to a quantum secure wallet. Some people will loose legitimate assets, but it is a needed sacrifice to prevent a flood of supply recovered from lost wallets

RetiredAvocado

Even if BTC market cap got big enough (big if), someone would have to want to buy that bitcoin and pay for it. Who has $39 trillion dollars and wants to buy bitcoin with it from USG? Perhaps the gov could sell some of it overtime but not in amounts anywhere near national debt levels.

Top-Care-8946

Volatility is like high-speed roller coaster. BTC can dive deep as -10-20% but can "skyrocket" upwards the same or more. Currently my balance was floating between 15% and I am still on the small profit (because assets in value is less than €80- I just started to collect as beginner).

HomelessInASuit

I know all of that. I’ve watched Justin hose billions off idiots. Your ill gotten gains mean nothing to me. I’ve been in BTC for a long time. I’ve seen people do horrific things in this space, including the President. Justin Sun belongs in a prison with CZ and all of them. If you think this space is about money you’ve lost the plot long ago. Tron will not be the one and neither will BCash, Binance, MemeCoin, WLF, or the other basket of scams that have infested this space. Tron is just another Egg in the rotten basket. Soon it will rot away too. Enjoy the %20 offerings let me know how that went for BITCONNECT. 😭😭😭😭

MCL-Jonathan

Focus on making more money definitely a good start, but ensuring you picked the right horse also very important! So just stick with Bitcoin $BTC

Subtraktions

I'm not even sure how you would self custody a traditional ETF, but even with a Bitcoin one, you've constantly got the issue of buying and transferring your BTC every week or month, plus the possibility that you lose the keys, get hacked or die in that decade or more before your kid gets to the age you want to give it to them. An ETF with a reputable third party is just far easier to keep topping up, and far easier to pass on if something does happen.

RealP2PMarket

You’re right about volatility — no business wants to hold a currency that can swing like that. But that’s not how it’s actually used in practice. Companies don’t have to hold crypto to use it. Same way they don’t hold foreign currencies — they accept it and convert instantly. Payment rails ≠ holding the asset. That’s why stablecoins exist, and why most real-world usage today isn’t about holding BTC on the balance sheet, but using crypto as a transfer layer. Volatility is a problem for storing value, not for moving it.

MoverWhoStacksSats

I always find it funny that when I purchase something with BTC and then time, like years maybe 4-5 years goes by and I look up old purchases and see how much the seller could have now if they just held versus what I paid back then. Always funny how I over paid years later. Makes me want to kick myself.

CrookedCasts

Did you lodge a complaint with the BTC CEO?

InvestaHepps

Yeah if you can comfortably stick to it, that’s already the biggest part done. BTC as a starting point is probably the simplest way to get exposure without overcomplicating things for yourself early on. Most people get in trouble trying to jump between things before they even understand how they react to the market. Monthly adding is fine, the main thing is just staying consistent with it and not changing the plan every time price moves. You’ll learn way more just by being in the market over time than trying to optimise everything upfront.

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Replica72

Buy him a cold storage wallet and when he sets it up send him $20 in BTC

RealP2PMarket

No — just different roles. BTC = store of value Others = transactions Same space, different use cases.

Inevitable_Army7688

So what your saying is BTC cant be a currency 😂 but others can , ok bro.

FX-MDA

Only use ELECTRUM for your BTC never leave them on any connected wallet such as those reffered to you like trust wallet, blue wallet, etc ..

R4ID

>How much does it cost to crack a bitcoin public key? anywhere from 10x to 1000X cheaper than to run a traditional Supercomputer AI question/computation https://arxiv.org/pdf/2209.05469 The cost is in the build, not in the energy required to run it. This is why its such a big issue. The first person to figure it out and build it, will profit the most (and it will be a lot of profit) if it is used in this manner. >I don't care what a single person does. >There are crazy people in every industry. This isnt just a "random" single person tho, he is considered by many a "leader" in the space. Im not saying you worship him or anything but there is a very significant portion of the BTC community that does value his words, speach, manner he in which he holds himself. He is the prototypical maxi. >That's not the only option going forward, and for the record I'm against freezing wallets. Its the strongest option though. Again Other options dont address the weakness in BTC security model. >Why would bitcoin need on chain governance to solve this problem? The people deciding arent the holders. to make an analogy, The people deciding on what upgrades get implemented into lets say Ebay, arent the users, they're the shareholders of Ebay stock. The needs and interests of the Ebay users are vastly different than Ebay stock holders. That's whats happening and been happening here with BTC and its code. It was supposed to be 1 CPU = 1 Vote. those days are long gone now. >You didn't answer my question. So I'll ask again. >So you think quantum will go from impossible to crack a single public key to being able to crack one in 9 minutes instantly? Like one day researchers will say "Yesterday we couldn't crack a public key, but today we can in 9 minutes" You think the technology will develop in this type of time frame? It will indeed go from 1 day we couldnt crack it, to one day we can crack it. The duration is going to change as technology improves (just like everything) The 9 minute duration is just the current best estimates for how fast it could crack ECDSA. Quantum will take different durations to crack different encryption methods as some are more susceptible to the method Quantum is utilizing. https://quantumai.google/static/site-assets/downloads/cryptocurrency-whitepaper.pdf Google published it thinks theres a 10% in the first year of gen 1 Quantum Computer that it will crack ECDSA. but it also states that future generations will drastically reduce resources required by almost 20,000X cheaper and total duration could get as low as 9 to 12 minutes. So depending on how fast it progresses (think AI) each gen obviously will be faster, more efficient and stronger at cracking encryption.

RealP2PMarket

That’s exactly the point. It’s not that crypto can’t be used — it’s that there are almost no real places to use it easily. Buying a steak with BTC isn’t hard because of the tech, it’s hard because the infrastructure isn’t there. Adoption doesn’t come from the ability to pay — it comes from having places that actually accept it.

Rikudo974

Whether it’s a BTC ETF or a traditional ETF, the underlying problem remains the same: the risk associated with third parties. We’re talking about a 10- to 20-year time horizon for children. Relying on an interface and an intermediary for two decades runs counter to the very concept of sovereignty that Bitcoin offers. If you want them to truly own the asset, you give them the keys. Simple.

Subtraktions

You might be, but the people telling OP to put it in an ETF, are not talking about a BTC ETF.

SeriousGains

Ben McKenzie made a movie about how Bitcoin is a scam. Terrance Howard says Bitcoin is going to die. No one cares. I’ve been invested in both TRX and BTC for almost 10 years and will continue investing in both. You can keep calling it a scam all you like.

joyOFFmissingOut

Le crypto fanno pump&dump cicliclo, a parte BTC, non ha senso comprare per holdare anni. Le crypto si comprano in bear e si vendono in Bull market e così via e così via. Compra ETF msci world, S&P 500, indice cinese

Previous_Blueberry_5

Bitbox02nova.. throw the BTC in there, set it and forget it.

alterise

You know they’re currently discussing whether to deprive satoshi of his BTC, right? You can’t be serious.

wgcole01

Back in 2019 or so, I bought some BTC for my 2 kids (now adults). I'm keeping it in a wallet (per se) and I'm just holding it in trust for them until 1 of 2 things happen: either BTC goes crazy high (like $1M) or I die. All they know now is where it's at and how to get to the seed phrase if they need it.

Thankyouclouds

I completely understand the merits of cold storage as well, however I couldn't help but think of the disaster scenario of something happening to me and partner and that BTC is gone forever since I'm not comfortable sharing seed phrases to living people outside my immediate family. So I decided on buying IBIT shares, that way I can at least name beneficiaries.

HSuke

The ones who moved to the stock market are still up 45% over BTC in the past year. I think they're doing fine unless they went to cash equivalents.

ShockCatOnSol

Appreciated, the major signals are the core anyway. BTC and SOL setups are where the real conviction lives. Good luck out there.

Nemozoli

I don't really see the purchase of a solo mining rig profitable enough to be worth it, even if you have very cheap electricity and mine in a pool. Much easier to buy BTC directly from that money.

Nemozoli

Lump sum beats DCA if done in large enough amounts, but that is called "timing the market" for some reson around here. I don't know about everyone, but when it plummeted to $16K, I wasn't asking anyone "Will it go lower?" but bought as much as I could. Now that amount in sats is worth almost 5 times as much in $. It doesn't take much financial acuity to see that if an asset becomes a lot cheaper and you believe in it to perform later to buy more of it. If you don't really believe in it, then why buy at ATH? Burning money? I first bought in summer 2017, not having much conviction about BTC, so decided to cash out my initial investment on the run-up to $19k, playing with house money after that. From then on slowly educated myself and got the conviction, so much so that in 2020 I liquidated my meager pension fund and bought BTC from it. Best idea ever!

XRPL_Trader_Guy

Sorry this happened to you. Here's what you can actually do: 1. Trace the funds — paste the destination wallet address into a block explorer (blockchain.com for BTC). See where the funds moved next. 2. If it hit a CEX (Coinbase, Binance, Kraken etc.) — report the receiving address to that exchange's fraud team directly. They can freeze funds and have KYC info tied to the account. This is your best shot. 3. File with IC3.gov — the FBI's internet crime division. They aggregate crypto theft cases and do actually act on them, especially if the same wallet is linked to multiple victims. 4. Still go to local police — even if they do nothing, you need an official case number for tax write-off purposes (capital loss) and any potential insurance claim. Trust Wallet themselves can't help — they're non-custodial and have no visibility into your wallet or the attacker. The trail is on the blockchain permanently. If the thief ever moves those funds to a KYC'd exchange, there's a record. Good luck.

Realistic_Support185

What individual stocks do you have paired with your BTC & ETF’s?

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yefuck

How do you go from BTC ETH and SOL to crap like PENGU and BOME. Not complaining just a strange 5 coins to discuss

MinimalGravitas

> Thats why you go bitcoin only. Nobody will freeze it. Except that the developers are proposing to freeze 34% of all BTC to protect it from quantum attacks... https://bitcoinmagazine.com/news/bitcoin-developers-propose-quantum-plan https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0361.mediawiki

AttemptKitchen

You know there are other things like macroeconomic factors apart that influences BTC price right? and with the ETFs much more. 2022 Bear Market : SP500 dumped 30-40%, FED doing rate hikes left and right and we had a very strong dollar. 2026 Bear Market : SP500 barely dipped before going to new highs, FED unlikely to do any rate hikes this year... and last a very weak dollar.

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Rock_Strongo

Do you want a free market or not? I've been around crypto long enough to remember when Coinbase was taking all sorts of heat because they only listed BTC, ETH, and LTC while other exchanges were offering 100 different coins already. Ultimately these are exchanges, as long as users are properly warned of the risks I don't think it is their moral duty to determine which of these coins are "legit" - considering roughly 90% of all coins are going to 0 in the long run.

AnfowleaAnima

At this point isn't that thrill part of why you invest in BTC?

yefuck

I’m nearing 50% crypto exposure. It’s not all BTC though it’s a combination of crypto related stocks, BTC, a few alts (small allocation), STRK, etc. It’ll likely be 80-90% if and when we leg up.

metla85

People sleep on value averaging because DCA is easier to 'set and forget,' but as you showed, VA is mathematically superior for volatile assets like BTC. I’ve been following a similar path, but I found that as the portfolio grows, calculating the exact 'Value Path' and the required buys during drawdowns becomes a bit of a chore (and prone to human error). I actually built [**valueaveraging.app**](http://valueaveraging.app) specifically to solve this. It automates the math so you know exactly what your next move should be based on your target value, rather than just eyeballing percentages. It’s been a lifesaver for staying disciplined.

Most-Gur-8411

Begun the BTC war has 

__redruM

There are investments that will almost always recover from their bottom. Stock market index funds certainly. If QQQ or VOO dips, it’s safe to buy. BTC and ETH may also have that luxury, though 2022 took a while to recover. But there’s no reason to expect a random crypto project to recover from a dip.

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LiveSchiop

The premium on Binance P2P in India is brutal, like 3-5% sometimes which eats into your SIP gains pretty fast. I was in a similar spot and started checking other P2P platforms... ended up using BitValve for some of my buys and the spreads were noticeably tighter, though it depends on the day and available sellers tbh. As for SOL specifically... doing a SIP is fine in theory but you're putting all eggs in one basket. maybe split between SOL and ETH or BTC? just a thought. Tax wise you're looking at 30% flat on gains + 1% TDS on every transaction above 10k. Keep records of EVERY buy, the date, amount in INR, quantity. You'll need it at tax time. A lot of people ignore this and then panic during ITR filing lol Not financial advice obviously but the SIP approach itself is solid, dollar cost averaging works. The premium is your real enemy here.

Quokky-Axolotl7388

But we are so back man! There is nothing that could possibly go wrong now with my BTC long position backed with the money I loaned with my kidney as collateral

manharkatty

his tone could move BTC more than the decision

SnooMachines7409

I can take the other side of that bet. Did you say BTC will be 10£ by 2036 ? And u want to make a 1000£ bet?. This is how we'll do. We'll set up a Lightning channel between us both and each will deposit 1000 £ worth of sats today. Weekly, we'll look at the price and calculate the price differentia and move seats back and forth based on who's up. Are u up for it?

seagraham3265

To some extent, it is rather easy. All you need to do is keep track of what your average buy would have been had you bought at some frequency, and make sure you bulk buy at any point below that average value. Now, timing a bottom in near impossible. But buying when BTC has a low risk score? Much easier

WeakEstablishment686

I’m around 10% BTC/ETC at a 80/20 split. 80% index funds/ETFs/a few stock picks mostly mag 7 tilt. 10% treasuries