BTC

TJack303

BTC is the only thing worth mining, shitcoins aren't it. And you can't compete with industrial scale mining operations for bitcoin.

sylsau

Bitcoin may finally be breaking up with the Nasdaq. Its 90-day correlation with tech has fallen to roughly **33%**. Its correlation with gold has climbed above **50%**. At the same time, U.S. federal debt has crossed **$40 TRILLION**. That combination matters. For years, Bitcoin was called “digital gold”… but traded like leveraged tech. **Now the market may be starting to treat BTC differently:** **→ less like a growth stock → more like a scarce monetary asset → more sensitive to debt, deficits, yields, and currency credibility** The big question isn’t whether Bitcoin is digital gold today. It’s whether the next real market panic proves the shift is permanent.

LiquiditySlushy

Until the bears show up I remain bullish. Many bulls took profit before the Fed speech and it appeared to be bearish but a lot of it was just the profit taking. The whales with 100 + BTC have been accumulating while smaller whales have been selling. There is an illusion that things are worse than they really are. So many shorts have been liquidated Im not sure if there is enough ammo left from the bears if Friday and the rate hike decision go against BTC.

Ashistrash121

That's how we should determine the value of 1 BTC from now on

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Post is by: Mr_Hodlerr and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: https://botsfolio.com/learn/order-block-after-sweep **What I tested** The pattern where price runs a prior swing low, grabs the stops sitting under it, and then instead of continuing down it reverses and pushes back up off the last down-candle before the move (the reaction zone). Entry on the return to that zone, stop below the sweep, fixed target. I wanted to know if the "sweep first, then react" sequence actually beats taking either signal on its own. **Results** Win rates landed around 85% across the four coins, on these counts: * BTC 1H: n = 54 * SOL 1H: n = 49 * ETH 1H: n = 33 * ZEC 1H: n = 29 Expectancy came out to +0.72R to +1.46R per instance after fees. For comparison, on the same data the two pieces alone were weaker: the reaction zone by itself \~83%, the sweep by itself \~76%. The sequence is what lifted it. **What I'm concerned about** * The samples are small (29 to 54 per coin). * It's one timeframe. Where's the methodology broken? Would an out-of-sample split or walk-forward change your read? Does the small n make the high win rate meaningless, or is the expectancy the number that matters more? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

hoppeeness

Clarity act helps the utility coins more than BTC. BTC will be hurt in the long run. Once you can more easily tokenize RWAs BTCs use case weakens while the ETHs, SOLs, ChainLinks, XRPs, HBARs, Cantons, AVAX, XLMs, etc. get more protection and standing legally.

hoppeeness

I don’t think so. I think it will be a much more spread out allocation. Clarity act helps the utility coins more than BTC. BTC will be hurt in the long run. Once you can more easily tokenize RWAs BTCs use case weakens while the ETHs, SOLs, ChainLinks, XRPs, HBARs, Cantons, AVAX, XLMs, etc. get more protection and standing legally.

PeteyPab305

Bro you wasting opportunity cost selling one asset to buy another, and generating tax consequences in either directions and losing money. Pick a plan and stick with it. Don't chase "Trends" to try to catch a moonshot, that's how you lose everything. Just pick either BTC or TradFi, and if traditional markets buy QQQ and you will own SPCX through that anyway. Make monthly or bi-monthly contributions and allow the compounding over time, do the work. This isn't the way my friend. Your operating on vibes and emotion, rather than research, metrics, and long term conviction. Just trying to help, because it seems like you might be chasing the dragon a bit too hard.

KevinNegocios

That’s a fair point only if you look at it strictly through a legacy TradFi lens, but it completely misses the architectural breakthrough of Bitcoin. We use centralized custodians for gold because storing and shipping heavy physical gold bars across the globe is a logistical, expensive nightmare. Stocks literally require a centralized legal registry (like the DTCC) just to exist. In the fiat system, custodians are a necessary evil. Bitcoin was engineered specifically to eliminate that exact counterparty risk. Sending a billion dollars in BTC takes 10 minutes and requires zero armored trucks, vaults, or bank approvals. It's digital bearer property. When you hold "paper Bitcoin" on an exchange, you don't actually own the asset; you just own a digital IOU from a centralized entity. We all know exactly how that movie ends (FTX, Celsius, Mt. Gox, BlockFi... need I go on?). Applying the same flawed, centralized ownership criteria of the fiat system to the very asset built to replace it is wild. It’s like measuring the adoption of email by counting how many people print them out to mail them via FedEx. Sure, it makes the adoption numbers look bigger for the headline, but it totally defeats the purpose of the technology.

BlackDog990

Grand larceny, wire fraud, computer fraud, money laundering....you name it. Most comments here don't seem to have a fundamental understanding of how laws work and think little technical nuances would save you. In most jurisdictions, those nit picks wouldn't matter. BTC is property in most places and depriving the original owner access to their property is going to carry criminal consequences, end of story.

moviemaker2

If we take "not your keys, not your coins" at face value and a determining principle, then this is not theft. The people who had BTC drained are not "deprived of their property," because those coins aren't theirs the moment those coins are guarded by different keys. If it really does cease to be mine if I no longer control the keys of the wallet it's in, then it is not in illegal possession by someone else. Contrary to anything else - my bike or lawnmower is still 'mine' even if they're stolen: I'm the rightful owner of them even if they're not in my possession. The natural converse of "Not your keys, not your coins," is "Your keys, your coins" thus for the person who drained the wallets, these are their keys and therefore are their coins. (this is more a critique of the NYKNYC mantra than legal commentary)

2goodstudydaydayup

**You either have a wallet already, or you can buy BTC through a C2C/P2P platform. So this post makes me suspicious. If you have no ID and no wallet, what’s the actual reason you need to buy crypto this way? Is there something about the source of the money that you don’t want to explain?**

bieker

Most governments have been pretty up front about the fact that they don’t consider BTC to be “money”

Tall-Ad1293

My daily routine: Wake up, watch a 3-minute Saylor video, suddenly lose all interest in buying food, and put my entire paycheck into BTC.

harymo-20

I think BTC may Go back 60k-

Ollis-Yonda

I invest almost 25% of my monthly income into BTC instead of putting it in a savings account or a pension fund. I guess you could say I have moderately high conviction

AggravatingGuest1956

We sold it around the 2.10? Mark IIRC along with around 1/3 BTC.

Billkr

It cost me roughly $12 a month to run my BTC pay server. Less than I pay my credit card merchant provider to take credit cards each month.

CoinGate_Gift_Cards

Crypto probably becomes more useful over the next 5–10 years, but not necessarily in the way people expect. Stablecoins and payments may see much broader adoption than speculative tokens, while BTC and ETH could increasingly be treated as separate categories with different use cases. AI could create more demand for programmable payments and machine-to-machine transactions, but it could also amplify scams and low-quality projects. Quantum is worth watching, although it seems more like a long-term infrastructure/security issue than an immediate threat.

CoinGate_Gift_Cards

The key is separating conviction from concentration risk. You can be very bullish on Bitcoin and still admit there’s a chance your thesis takes longer than expected or is wrong. Tax-advantaged space would be hard to ignore because you only get so much of it, while BTC can still be accumulated alongside it.

B1TB0TB33PB00P

Frozen bank account is not the main reason to use bitcoin. BTC's advantages are many.

CoinGate_Gift_Cards

AI/quantum may create volatility and technical challenges, but neither automatically kills crypto. Over 5–10 years, the strongest growth case is probably stablecoins, tokenized assets, payments and settlement infrastructure. BTC/ETH can still grow too, but for different reasons.

Rich_Signal_1512

AI bubble popping would probably drag crypto down with it. The two have traded as correlated risk assets this whole cycle, same liquidity chasing both, so a real AI selloff triggers risk-off sentiment that hits crypto too. Not because of any actual technical overlap but just correlated positioning. Quantum is a real long-term risk, but not an immediate one. A sufficiently powerful quantum computer could theoretically break the elliptic curve cryptography wallets currently rely on, but credible timelines put that years out, and quantum-resistant cryptography already exists. Chains can migrate to it the same way they've handled other protocol upgrades before. The Japan/US debt situation is happening right now, it’s not hypothetical. The Treasury's been buying yen with dollars to prop up the currency, while Japan's been selling US Treasuries to defend the yen from their side, part of what pushed 30-year yields to a 19-year high recently. It cuts both ways for crypto. Tighter liquidity and higher yields usually pressure risk assets, crypto included. But sovereign debt stress like this is also exactly the scenario the currency-debasement case for Bitcoin was built around. Which effect dominates probably comes down to how disorderly this gets. On 5-10 year adoption, stablecoins look like the safer bet, real regulatory momentum and institutional infrastructure building around them right now. BTC and ETH holder growth is genuinely harder to call with any confidence over that horizon. Be skeptical of anyone claiming certainty either way.

Snowman33001

MSTR has already almost bought back all the BTC it sold. And it still holds over 840,000 BTC.

Kzaanb

AI popping doesn’t automatically kill crypto. They’re both high-beta liquidity toys, so if risk-off hits tech, crypto usually eats shit with it. That’s a flow thing, not “AI replaces Bitcoin.” Longer term, AI agents paying each other is a real use case. Stablecoins win that more than random L1s. Quantum isn’t a 2026 problem. If large quantum ever threatens current signatures, chains can migrate. The “quantum kills crypto next year” posts are mostly bag advertising. Don’t rotate into some “quantum resistant” coin because a YouTuber got scared. US debt and Japan drama are the same story: messy fiscal systems and liquidity shocks. Short term that can dump everything. Medium term it usually helps the “I want something outside the banking spreadsheet” pitch. BTC and dollars-onchain benefit more than 200 new ecosystems. 5–10 years: crypto as casino tokens can easily stay mid. Crypto as rails probably gets bigger. Stablecoin usage should keep growing. BTC/ETH holders can rise even while most alts go to zero. “More popular” ≠ every coin you buy moons. If you’re starting projects, pick something people already do (trade, pay, save) and don’t build a new chain because the old ones “need an ecosystem.” Most of those are just waiting rooms.

Affectionate_Ad_8483

You are both wrong. She should only keep her emergency fund in her HYSA, she should invest the rest, and only the smallest portion of that should be allocated to BTC, not because it will save her financially from a failing system, but because she may profit off the volatility if she is in a position to wait.

vlal97

At 28 Id start thinking of 4, 8 and 12 year investment periods with BTC. Stack it. Then go look at BTC price increases over 4 8 and 12 year intervals and you'll confirm tour suspicion. Of course this relies on it being sufficiently decentralized and 21 million cap in tact so keep an eye on that as time goes on to make sure its still a good thing to be in longer term.

Itur_ad_Astra

The final wicks of a Bart are usually much faster than the beginning, so this should all be over by tomorrow. BTC at $64K, then October lows.

MIP_PL

Imho TA works best when the trading market is liquid and transparent. In the case of BTC the latter is not possible so TA does not work as it should.

ThomasToIndia

People were not going to pay in fractions using a deflationary currency. Become rich by holding it and also use it to buy coffee. Which would be the equivalent to holding a gold bar and making gold filings to pay for stuff. Inflation may be theft but it's also a feature not a bug if you want people to use it. It's actually worse now, after years I am now discovering in canada that liquidating BTC can be consdiered capital gains.

newMoneyStyle

Kinda agree, once ETFs started tracking spot BTC it basically got absorbed into the system it was supposed to challenge.

No_Degree2727

These tracking apps are always lagging by at least 24 hours, so calling the market bullish when the greed index literally just slid from 74 down to 65 feels a bit detached from reality. My bags certainly do not feel bullish today after that sudden leverage wipeout on Tuesday. What metric is this dashboard even using to calculate that trend label anyway, because 59.2% BTC dominance usually just means alts are getting absolutely slaughtered while retail hopes for a miracle bounce

Maleficent-Lie1877

I wouldn’t put much weight on the “experts” calling $120k specifically. Bitcoin has a history of making reasonable forecasts look silly in both directions, so I’d look more at liquidity, ETF flows, macro conditions and whether the broader market is still willing to take risk. I’ve traded BTC through enough volatility to know that being right on the long-term direction doesn’t necessarily mean being right on the timing. If you want to speculate on the move without holding BTC directly, platforms like Libertex are one option, but I’d still treat that as a high-risk trade rather than a bet on a guaranteed target.

Omniwatch

Nahhh, it’s the fact that despite all the shitty news, 52% drop and cold card issue, war, Econ in the shitter BTC never drops below 60k. The new floor maybe be establish and you feel bad that side line for something that was never promised.

huntingforwifi

I have the same sentiment. I feel im losing better gains when I invest money in ETFs.. For me btc feels safer and more predictable. Right now i'm only focused on stacking BTC. Ill switch to other investments mid-next year once we clearly out of the bottom phase

Marlon-Brandy

What makes you think that a Russian state controlled bank will honor your assets? Russia is experiencing the largest brain drain since the collapse of the Soviet Union, men are fleeing because they don't want to be sent to the war, media is state controlled almost as fiercely as North Korea. Ask the Russians fleeing the country if they'd trust their BTC on any Russian bank.

ArugulaPotential366

my bank banned depositing money into crypto exchanges. I now have to send my money to a smaller bank in order to buy BTC.

TheresNoSecondBest

>I do not understand this allure for BTC. I’ve never once worried about my bank account being frozen. People in Iceland never worried about their bank accounts being frozen either. Until https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%932011_Icelandic_financial_crisis People in Cyprus never worried about their bank accounts being frozen either. Until https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%932013_Cypriot_financial_crisis People in Greece never worried about their bank accounts being frozen either. Until the were limited to withdrawn only €60 per day in 2015 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_controls_in_Greece People in Lebanon never worried about their bank accounts being frozen either. Until they were forbidden to access their money https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_liquidity_crisis Bonus link: [The people in Lebanon robbing banks to get their own money](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63122044)

IndividualAward2771

Just watched this one, seems more informative than the BTC session to be honest. [https://youtu.be/fsAUhFr1VXU?si=7ed\_7K6Jm9jnANa2](https://youtu.be/fsAUhFr1VXU?si=7ed_7K6Jm9jnANa2) The most important component here is, recognising that the destination after mixing can come from a different Xpub and not the source wallet.

No_Application_1579

December 2026: SPX 8000 BTC 100k

MarioWilson122

Still too early for me to call this a new bull market. August was definitely strong and reclaiming the long-term moving average is a good sign, but Bitcoin still has some major resistance to clear and September has historically been its weakest month. I'm leaning cautious until BTC proves it can hold these gains and break through the resistance above.

TeachingWhich2776

I went to Jail for 5 years... pretty much forgot about BTC

foxxxer22

easy... when BTC value drops =) And there is no money left to pay the debt. The debt has to be paid in ... USD. And for having them, he has to sell BTC. Some guys need to be willing to pay $66.6B for the 845,050 BTC

SpareEconomy1849

Maybe good for KYC-free sats, but you could also buy 50 BTC for under $5 on Bitcoinmarket or Mt Gox

idekwutp

Most people hold BTC through custodians

WarthogOpen7003

No one worries about their bank account being frozen....until it happens. Do a quick Google search on bank accounts being closed in Greece, Turkey or Venezuala etc. It happens. Heck, I live in one of the most develpoed economies in the world and I had personal freinds who had their accounts frozen as recently as 2019 simply becuase they admitted to buying BTC through their savings account.

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InevitableMinimum238

I've been using kraken myself and my account was suddenly and without I was given a reason blocked. I was also given 14 days to remove my money from the platform. I've been doing automated small BTC purchases for many months on their platform It looks like their systems are just randomly blocking people

uninspired

I also didn't see anywhere in there how many customers actually paid with BTC.

Kayyy_31

Makes sense. Also September is a historically weak month for BTC plus the broader consensus around the bottom places it near Q4 so I would not be surprised if more declines follow.

kissandteasex

If BTC stops making new highs, miners can still operate as long as their margins hold up, much like gamdom relies on activity rather than price alone.

Top-Care-8946

OK but this means that BTC will be more affected by inflation and other factors that are common in fiat system because if less miners means higher transaction confirmation fees then it automatically adds "fuel" to artificially raised fees and it will decrease in summary BTC value. So BTC is indirectly affected by the instability of the traditional economy because electricity bills must be paid in cash.

ArugulaPotential366

Do u solely have Bitcoin or do you also have some ETF's as well ? Most of my portfolio is BTC and I'm 28 years old. I'm trying to figure out if I should max out my tax free savings account or take advantage of the Bitcoin dip

Turbulent-Land-5664

Obviously its a supply and demand Q. Assets rise when the demand increases. I think the adoption will be more institutional, either through investment proxies, ETF's or actual reserves or countries. New people actually purchasing actual BTC for the first time - maybe not so much. Just my guess.

DazzlingNet1516

Solid breakdown. The net income point is what a lot of BTC-only bulls gloss over. But do you think BitMine's staking revenue is big enough to actually matter against their share count, or is it still mostly a narrative at this stage? Curious how much of their "profit" is real vs projected.

jacd03

BTC already has a use case, it's digital gold, plain and simple, that's the narrative and it's how it got advertised to Wall Street. You might like it or not, but it is what it is.

Remarkable_Wish_5106

US Dollars pay interest, BTC does not. Bond yields are going higher. BTC is barely higher than in 2021.

Gingerjake1993

Nah. I mean they have pretty much always accepted BTC so I’m not sure why we’re concerned now

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Top-Care-8946

As far as I understand the system if miners don't earn then BTC or any other crypto blockchains will cease to exist (in sense of they will become inoperable). Crypto owners can start transactions but if nobody confirms then traffic in blockchain will be overhelmed: Blockchain will be full of non confirmed transactions and that causes lots of problems. First of all it's not possible to cancel initiated transaction. So assets will be freezed on network until someone "releases" (confirms) transaction and funds will be overhanded to the new owner (recipient). So I think that mining will be functional and also profitable until there are active transactions because more transactions means more earnings for miners.

Quiet-Nothing7556

Just another trillion bro. I think if they slap five more abstraction layers on to BTC it'll become less confusing for the end users and will be more reliable than banks. SLASH S.

scrandlle

There is zero chance 1.4 in every 10 Americans owns BTC.

Born_Elk7497

Show her the USD/BTC chart. It’s much more jarring than the BTC/USD chart IMO.

No-Reading-4384

I have had BTC since 2016. I checked last month $160k now 21 dollars. All gone.

Clean-Gear-1386

They didn’t have capital and their bitcoin positions were in the hole for billions when they had to sell. AI says there average price per BTC is 75,412.

Natural-Contact-3875

Michael Saylor’s **last publicly disclosed personal Bitcoin position is 17,732 BTC**, separate from Strategy’s corporate holdings, at **an average purchase price:** **$9,882 per BTC.** **You have 800 USDT stfu**

drunkentoubib

My grand parents had to leave a country with 1 suitcase and no money. The family should have had collaterals in other countries of course. But BTC would have solved the problem. Partly at least.

IAmFitzRoy

“…which doesn’t happen with USD” ?? Inflation is literally the reflection of USD losing purchasing power (PP). We should not believe than when BTC price in USD goes up it’s necessary PP going up, it could be that USD is losing PP. Which I think it’s what’s happening recently.

UnionContent1691

Yeah the shrinking drawdowns are more interesting than trying to copy/paste an old cycle percentage onto this one. BTC is a completely different sized market now. I'd use the history for context and trade what price is actually doing. Moon.com is nice for that because the thesis can stay simple: bullish or bearish from here, size the wager accordingly, move on when the setup changes.

Public-Professor5270

Same. If the actual question is BTC vs ETH from here, I prefer expressing the underlying view directly instead of adding treasury-company dilution, mNAV and management execution on top. That's where Moon.com makes a lot of sense to me. You can take the BTC or ETH directional thesis directly and keep the trade about the asset rather than the corporate wrapper.

Xennenial

My bets are on Bitmine. Strategy operates at a loss, sure Saylor keeps the cash flowing with share issuance and BTC sales when necessary and pumps the balance sheet with BTC purchases at opportune times, but it has no net income. People forget that Strategy is a software company as far as its operations are concerned and it is a failing software company. Ethereum actually provides yields through staking. Furthermore, Bitmine is earning revenue by holding and staking ethereum for other institutions as well and will actually be turning profits. While this distinction may not matter so much to crypto native retail investors, it matters a lot to institutions who use extensive analytics to evaluate such companies.

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UrbanGrower187

All I know the more BTC I have the better off I have been over the time I have invested… There are lots of options for ppl like real estate bonds stocks etc. but I have all of these and haven’t done as well as my crypto stack sooo yup. I donno I like it more than my other stuff I own. But the key thing is I don’t ever really own my properties as well the bank and goverment can take that when they want bonds and stocks the same so BTC is the only think I actually own the rest is basically what the government lets me have

wmtj2

I also have been DCAing since Nov of 24’. I’ve had to sell partial amts for all sorts of reasons. I adjust my DCA level and keep going. I do not think we will regret this. Sats are on sale. How do I deal with disappointment in this asset class? I focus on long-term thinking. I remember the price of BTC being $350.00 & living paycheck to paycheck and wasting my money on nonsense. The truth, is I never had any excuse. I could have made the car payment late, bought btc, and caught up. I’ve wasted so much money on so many things that have zero value. Every time I buy sats, I’m empowered to be consistant and to keep the course steady.

HotInTheseRhinos123

There are ETFs that follow the spot price of BTC, making it part of the system.

BeGreatTodayOrNot

Well, one way is to look at the savings account and note its doesn’t drip in value. Then look at the drop in BTC and exchange uncomfortable glances.

ExpressCopy8786

Which it won't... Not any time soon. Liquidity is still in the shitter and will stay there for a long time.  And it never had the utility this guy trying to pump BTC is talking about. BTC will never be used as a means of exchange. 

Queasy-Ride4291

Spare me. BTC is up 10% in half a decade. 

AeonPeter

I would bet on Saylor and BTC :)

Vipu2

Shitcoins are the way to go if you are insider, close to them or get really lucky with timing to make big gains. So yes BTC is the way for most.

audiodesigndan

People who bought BTC at peak hype cycle have since committed actual suicide.

Meto_Kaiba

by talking IN PERSON to someone who knows more about BTC than I do!

Meto_Kaiba

I find it odd that the UK and Canada have the same # of "implied BTC owners".

zante2033

I've never been happier to invest in FTSE 100 knowing what's around the corner for BTC in terms of it's encryption armageddon.

Electrical-Cat-6660

Easy…you tell them to pick a product, any product from the grocery store. Write down its price back in 2009 and at the same time, write the price of how much bitcoin you could have bought with what they paid for that product, in BTC…then have them check how much BTC they would have in fiat today.

haggardphunk

Yeah, this. BTC is just part of the portfolio. OP’s sister is just as bad as the person that has 100% of their nest egg in BTC.

Dangerous_Yard_1852

If you wanna forget about it for years, BTC is probably the least complicated answer. Everything else needs way more babysitting

AutomaticGrape9263

Ooof... That just made BTC noticeably less attractive.

shaunj72143

I did this with ZEC but that was completely a (very) happy accident. BTC (possibly eth) is the only fire and forget crypto...even then, I'd personally wait til the next catastrophic crash (like the FTX collapse) to buy in. Just collect USDC/USDT til the bottom is in. Buy BTC, write down your seed phrase, stick it in your gun safe/safe deposit box, check back in a decade. Otherwise you're just playing in the casino (not trying to be a dick, just relating my own mistakes/successes

UrbanGrower187

Pretty sure their in the profit atm but I guess that doesn’t matter. All I know for myself is buying BTC everyday for the last 4 years has been the best financial pivot I have made in life. Let’s see what my account shows in the next 10-15 years. Pretty sure it will be up more than today. But again I don’t have a Chrystal ball just 16 years of price action to base my judgment off of.

Dependent-Ocelot908

Maybe. My reversal short trades worked but then after sometime they did not. But my BTC spot longs always worked

suuperfli

how would mstr go bankrupt? here are the numbers currently: 845,050 BTC (\~$66.6B) vs $6.75B debt and \~$14.9B preferred stock. \-Debt only: \~10% of BTC value \-Debt + preferred: \~33% \-Net debt after $6.71B in cash/reserves: \~zero

polymath_uk_

Does it mean total amount owned by country of the total BTC supply, or the percentage of the population that has any BTC holding whatsoever? 

True-Lychee

Source is here: https://x.com/willywoo/status/2094622849722163385 Bitcoin Total Users In this study of Bitcoin's adoption-S curve I've put together all the known studies of Bitcoin and Crypto Asset adoption here on this single chart. References and comments are below Glassnode The earliest studies can be found forensically in the Bitcoin blockchain. Glassnode clusters BTC addresses into individual entities based on transactional interactions. This is a reliable and high resolution view into the unique users until 2016 onwards. From 2016 onwards we started to see users adopting custodial wallets offered by exchanges without an on-chain footprint. Cambridge Centre for Alternative Finance The Cambridge Centre for Alternative Finance between 2016-2020 conducted three benchmark studies surveying the entire industry. Part of this study had lower bound numbers for unique KYC-ed users on crypto exchanges Reports: CCAF Benchmark Study 2, p33 CCAF Benchmark Study 3, p44 Crypto.com Reports on Market Sizing Well known exchange Crypto.com has conducted annual studies of market sizing. Their data is in strong congruence with prior studies from Cambridge and Glassnode. Reports: 2021 Report 2022 Report 2023 Report Triple-A Digital payments provider Triple-A conducted a study from 16 prior studies from various sources, they applied their own weightings to derive their figure of 420 million users in May of 2023. GWI Between 2020 - 2022 GWI conducted a global survey of web users aged between 16 to 64 for those that owned cryptocurrency. Their results seem optimistic when compared to the industry surveys conducted by Cambridge and Crypto.com. The results, if accurate, may imply a significant number of users do not have exchange accounts. Woocharts To build a continuous curve I have run an interpolation line through the following datapoints: 2008-2016 - Glassnode on-chain entities 2016-2020 - Cambridge numbers for unique users on exchanges, with a 13.6% uplift to account for Bitcoin users who do not have exchange accounts 2021-2023 - Crypto.com numbers for unique crypto users on exchanges, with a 35% reduction to account for Bitcoin-only users. This is because recent Binance research shows 65% of crypto users hold Bitcoin. 2024 onwards - projected from the last known annual growth rate

UrbanGrower187

You’re confusing the ability to **create a fork** with the ability to **change Bitcoin**. Miners can absolutely fork the software tomorrow and mine a chain with 31 million coins. Nobody is claiming otherwise. But existing Bitcoin full nodes would reject those blocks because they violate the consensus rules those nodes enforce. Increasing the supply cap would therefore require a **hard fork**, meaning the new chain is incompatible with nodes enforcing Bitcoin’s current rules. Miners don’t simply “have the vote.” They provide hashpower and choose which valid blocks to mine, but full nodes determine which blocks they accept as valid. If miners create blocks awarding themselves more BTC than the rules permit, nodes reject them regardless of how much hashpower produced them. For that inflationary fork to actually replace Bitcoin economically, users, exchanges, custodians, wallets, businesses and other economic participants would have to adopt the new rules too. Otherwise you’ve created another cryptocurrency/fork whose market value has to compete with BTC. We’ve effectively seen this principle tested before: disagreement over Bitcoin’s rules can produce competing chains. A fork existing doesn’t automatically make it “Bitcoin.” So yes, the 21M limit is ultimately software and therefore technically changeable. **No, miners cannot unilaterally vote themselves another 10M BTC and have Bitcoin holders’ nodes recognize those coins.** And economically, convincing Bitcoin holders to deliberately destroy the scarcity property that gives the asset much of its monetary appeal would be a very different proposition from a government expanding fiat supply.

CoinRabbitFinance

Hey! If reducing impermanent loss is the goal, I’d look beyond LP strategies rather than search for a slightly different BTC pair. CoinRabbit Earn, for example, uses a fixed-rate CeFi savings model with daily accrual and flexible withdrawals. There is no paired asset or impermanent-loss calculation involved, so it is easier to evaluate separately from LP returns using the rate, access terms, and custody model.

Open_Situation686

is that because BTC is essentially a religion at this point? It's value is only based on how much people believe?

_RFAML_

i just realized BTC is for nerds

dollyrar

I did this a few days ago. Made some decent money on it to pump back into BTC, but just seems like a heartache is on the horizon for a lot of people.

tenor_tymir

When did you deposit the BTC to your wallet? What device did you use to deposit the BTC? What wallet did you use to receive the BTC? Do you know the address you sent the BTC to?