BTC

justnutsandbolts2

My friend would make posts on FB like "one day we will all wish we bought BTC when it was less than $1000" I watched it closely, go up to 5kish before making my first purchase. I have many canceled orders at less than $5k / coin Dont know why

hautedog

40% BTC, 20% ETH, 40% USDC/DeFi

Mission_Specialist_2

What? BTC is not dead?!?

rocket_beer

You had that much BTC that this purchase was cleared? I promise you that you would have been able to buy 10 of these in the not so distant future with the same amount… 😞

Prestigious_Ad280

Id say BTC's volatility comes from the fact that's it's the only thing instantly tradeable 24/7/365. Its a market that reacts before the world even gets outta bed to read the morning news. Its the only truly free market BTC tells the truth as Jack likes to say

Numerous_Ruin_4947

It touched $126k. WTH are you talking about. BTC should have gone higher though.

skexzies

Bwaaaa haaaaa haaaaaa. BTC is always going to go up over the long term. Just wait till USA National debt hits $39 Trillion by March and the. 40 by June. The AA rating will drop to B, the bond market will tank and BTC will be worth a fortune.

teddy_blinkerton

Yes, it was rather confusing (it still is). I had bought some relatively early on via Coinbase early on, and then cashed it and made a nice profit (of a couple grand). I remember being utterly confused about how to transfer it.  Thankfully I bought again later on and held and had over half a bitcoin.  In 2022 I cashed in 20K worth for a down payment on my first house (I was 45 years old and thought I’d never have a house). I don’t regret it, as the value of my home has already gone up significantly, and it’s nice to have. I currently have about .56 BTC - I’d really like to have 1 BTC. 

alanism

I agree with this in the Vietnam context. VN’s debt-to-GDP is low, but domestic banks are already at their lending limits. Anyone doing CAPEX — especially importing factory equipment — runs into the same wall: local banks are stretched on USD. That’s a structural constraint for an economy trying to move up the value chain. A small Bitcoin reserve solves part of this. BTC functions as neutral, high-quality collateral. If VN holds even 1–2% of reserves in BTC, it can borrow more cheaply on global markets, back new forms of credit, and give domestic companies an alternative funding channel when the banking system can’t expand its USD balance sheet. For a fast-growing, export-driven economy with limited collateral and high USD dependence, adding BTC to the reserve mix isn’t speculation — it’s strategic. Even a modest allocation increases financial flexibility and improves access to foreign capital.

VariatCA

...No it isn't LOL $90,615 was the average buy for their puchases *last week*. Their total average is still only $74,696 for the 660,624BTC they own.

Playful_Judge_9942

What is your average buy price? I find it hard to believe you've never been in the green for 2 years and if you have been buying for 2 years you shouldn't be very deep in the red. Most of 2024 BTC bounced from $50-70k which is definitely less than its current price.

Confident_Section568

Below $90k is a loss voor MSTR's BTC position

Confident_Section568

$90.651 is now the average buy price of MSTR's BTC's This was $75k a couple months back So below $90k his position is already at a loss Like what is going on here

Successful-Face-9191

Exactly, average out between sources, PNC has about 400 billion under management, so they would have to put well over 10% of their entire management into BTC for it to make a noticeable percentage increase. They will maybe allocate 1-2% of a clients portfolio into BTC and that’s a big maybe but the fact of the matter is they WILL allocate a percentage of the clients portfolio into BTC. So it’s the news that a large bank primarily dealing with HNIs is adopting BTC that is moving the price. Your comment already sums up what I’m saying but I thought I’d just add some more context for the, let’s say, not neurologically inclined individuals.

ContentFlagged

I don't know why you all seem surprised. We are going to have another price peak for BTC, just like prior cycles. Expect a new ATH in March 2026. Unless we have a weekly close at or below 72.5k, I am still bullish on BTC. The bull cycle is far from over. Alts to peak March-July 2026. But what do I know. You allow emotions to control you it seems.

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chickenhawk444

I’ve been riding the BTC train since 2011. Take a look at the graphs since then. That will tell you what’s happening and going to happen.

SmokeAndSkate

If my math is right, XXI is trading at a discount to their BTC holdings right now

thupkt

Working on thinking about BTC less my brother

HarryGerpo

I agree with the previous post…. VOLATILITY is very important for day trading with BTC or other coins and for scalping you need enormous knowledge of the market and have to be able to analyze well and the mindset has to be right... but if you have that, the cash register will ring 😎

Brawlah

PNC Bank just announced partnership with CB to offer BTC to its wealthy clients or something close to that lol

sopapordondelequepa

Leave some BTC for the rest of us Tiger

Tjb82261

Okay, so you’re saying if strategy just decided fuck it. I’m gonna cash out and sell all the BTC. We wouldn’t see a drop of like 80% or more?

outoftownMD

BTC first, ETH next, Sol also but last.

evcm7

BTC go up

Mysterious_Most9667

BTC is pumping..

Distinct-Thanks-6477

Who has been bold enough to buy dips during this unpredictable price action? Waiting patiently for my reward for adding more ETH, AIOZ, and SOL. I think BTC breaking past $100k is the key.

Heavy-Syrup-6195

Would having less liquid from leverage be a bad thing? A strong asset such as BTC can easily replace that would “organic” liquidity from value investors, no?

2xfun

No. It's not programed to do that. The only problem with BTC is the potential lack of adoption by us. The main problem is human ignorance.

Cryptogirlie

Remember, buying BTC at that time wasn’t like it is today on Robinhood or Coinbase. You had to be the nerd of all nerds to figure out how to obtain it, store it and remember the keys. Yeah, hindsight is 20/20, would have could have…..

MaxxGawd

America is not buying BTC. No one has to front run them. Maybe they need to front run El Salvador

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Seattleman1955

I think it would be helpful if people learned to think things though themselves. In terms of probability, BTC is likely end this year (2025) a little over $100k. It can get to $150k (whenever) just by momentum and nothing else. To get to $250k, you need structural change. We have the setup for that already so when hedge funds and advisors start allocating a little to BTC that's when we'll get that. I'd say 2026 will see $170k. The trend will continue into 2027 with maybe $230k. If we have a recession, it just knocks the predictions back a year. By 2030 we are looking at $300k to $500k. At that point, BTC is mature. That's a 5x move from here in terms of real purchasing power so if you can buy BTC for $100k and it will have $500k in purchasing power by 2030. That's a good deal. The numbers after that mature value are just inflation for if you go out long enough you can post any number and it is possible but it's just inflation and increased purchasing power. This is all you really need to understand about Bitcoin, IMO. It's how I look at it and therefore the daily wild predictions and scenarios, I just ignore. It's just noise and clickbait.

fishandbanana

I invested my Christmas bonus into BTC

Maakus

Mstr announced purchasing another 10k BTC. Also fed rates.

crazy_lolipopp

BTC would have to absolutely smash 100k and make it support, do you really see that happening?

VariatCA

I remember you saying "I sold between 100k to 110k on the way down when I was *sure* we were entering the bear market". So BTC's closing in on that first range of the band reeeeal fast now.

borislikesbeer

I know it sucks. I was there when I started too.   Just keep buying. And keep learning.  And if your done with BTC, buy VOO or QQQ and diversify.  Keep your investing mindset and habits. 

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sopapordondelequepa

It’s been like this since I joined years ago, anxious mfs checking 50 times a day to see how their $50 BTC is doing…

VariatCA

BTC's up 4.5% and ETH's up 7.5% in two hours. Yeah that's still worth lighting off a sparkler or two lol.

gihkal

Then why are defending the efficiency of using petroleum to power the blockchain? Using fission to generate hydrogen or Bitcoin is reasonable. But that doesn't make Bitcoin efficient. Especially while we know many other similar networks are more efficient than BTC. Its almost like core has been corrupted to ensure more profits for miners.

thupkt

Do yourself a favor and stick to the Bitstamp chart of BTC when you're on TradingView, IMO it's easily the best of the BTC charts you can draw up there.

VariatCA

This whole year has been a testament to how quickly momentum can reverse. BTC hit that August all-time high, spent like 6 straight weeks dropping down as much as 13% by the end of September... then just pumped the gas and rose to 126k within 6 days for a new ATH.

amcsignupusa

Backwardization nearing on Gold and Silver again. Fed about to lower interest rates again which devalues USD which is used to price BTC Gold and Silver.

Delt266

That's why you pool mine.. this isn't 2010 anymore.. he would need several hundred petahash to have a chance at hitting blocks. When you pool min, your btc payout is steady and predictable vs maybe hitting a BTC block if you solo mine

VariatCA

And yet the BTC and ETH I bought near the November lows are +16% and +26% since then. Perspective! There's plenty of opportunity to be made if you keep your eyes on the ball and focus on the macro-economic perspective.

Matrix0007

Momentum is shifting for Bitcoin. The price is about to cross the PMO indicator on the Daily View. This indicates higher pricing for BTC incoming….

Substantial_Dear

Classic BTC pump & dump. Get ready for the end times.

CapitalIncome845

USDT maybe. BTC/USD Bitstamp shows no huge gaps.

Wolf-of-CFD

Maybe someone was driving behind me some day and might send me 10 BTC.

nomoney110

People with your attitude will never make money with BTC.

DevilDonkee

Wealthy oil tycoons have decided to buy BTC.

Possible-Magazine23

I remember i was like this my first cycle in BTC. I always try to check everywhere to see "What happened" when there was a large pump or dump. After a few years, i just don't care anymore lol

SPDBK

PNC Bank first bank to offer direct BTC trading to clients

Metal-Salt

Food is essential to my survival, BTC is not.

753UDKM

You'll be fine. Just mentally put that aside as your exposure to BTC, and move on to other investments. Leave the BTC alone, let it do its things, and hopefully you'll be pleasantly surprised eventually.

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Colekaine

Makes me think about that guy who tortured himself spending years looking through a garbage dump for a lost harddrive full of 7500 BTC. As far as I remember he's still looking.

DryMyBottom

BTC green candle making my evening better

SpartanMoonMan

How would you not be in the green when BTC was at $120K just a couple months ago?

OldHamburger7923

420.69 BTC is th perfect amount to own

BarnacleOwn604

Minimum 4 year time horizon, understand where you are in the cycle. Expand your knowledge, BTC is a long term store of value play. If you think in decade timelines and not yearly timelines you’ll have a whole different perspective.

CompetitiveAppeal663

Wondering if this was a subconscious “timing of the market” in that “buy when could” = “buy when I see BTC and n the news”

Scionic94

For your own good. NEVER tell anyone how much BTC you have.

BassWorking35

It's not about the code that makes it volatile, it's all about liquidity. BTC should become less volatile over time but be careful of any crypto's that promise to have "fixed" volatility ESPECIALLY if they can be mined. Think about the supply vs demand dynamics of a token. If a coin ca easily be mined and minted then what will that do to the price?

UriGuriVtube

BTC is not going to replace the world's currency. It'll be in the world where gold is where it's worth something but not replacing FIAT.

Pfaerd

you accumulate BTC because you know in the future, the rest of the world (99%) also want a share of the 21M. If you buy BTC to have more FIAT then you don't understand it yet. FIAT is doomed and there's no turning back. Bitcoin is the digital infrastructure and monetary network for the next 200+ years, with or without you.

McBurger

People didn’t really put $1000 in as any sort of investment back then. I mean, plenty did, but it was for the purpose of buying stuff with it. Those days were different. BTC was the currency you’d use to shop on DNMs. And yeah there were definitely people using it to buy multiple kilos of drugs so there were quite a few 1k BTC transactions, but I was there in all the IRC channels and forums and people were not talking about investments or gains or moons until the first rally up to $34 which was in pretty late 2010 / early 2011. Cliche but people were actually in it for the tech, like for real back then

Goodness_Beast

Why are u bragging of traveled to 20 countries and saved 1.1 BTC and talking about disappointment in it? If you search this sub, there are people barely having 0.01 BTC while work at McDonald's & wishing they can save more. You're an unrealistic Gen Z/Alpha bloke, who's still lost.

biba8163

> When it’s a speculative and whale driven coin Do *"Nostro/Vostro Banks are going to buy my XRP PEE PEEs and make it the Standard Settlement World Currency and I am going to get rich"* delusional Fidget Spinners realize... > XRP and the XRPL weren’t built to “replace Visa” or “replace Swift.” They were built to fix the problems underneath those systems..the slow settlement, the locked-up liquidity, and the expensive, outdated messaging rails that banks still rely on. > Swift is basically a secure messaging network. It doesn’t move money. it just sends instructions. Visa is a consumer payments network. It approves card transactions, but the actual settlement between banks still happens on old rails behind the scenes. > Nostro/Vostro accounts are the plumbing. > That’s where the real friction is. Banks have to pre park money all around the world just to make international transfers function. XRP’s design is aimed at eliminating that trap…giving banks a neutral, instantly settling bridge asset so they don’t need to freeze billions in idle accounts. > It doesn’t replace Visa or Swift. It replaces the liquidity bottleneck those networks still depend on. The old systems can still exist on the surface, but the heavy lifting underneath the actual settlement can be done faster, cheaper, and globally using XRP. That’s the point. https://np.reddit.com/r/XRP/comments/1oz1t0t/the_day_came_and_went/np92pcx/ ... XRP like all crypto has no independent value in itself but can only appreciate when BTC goes on a bullrun and carries it higher. *Are people still so gullible and naive not to realize that shitcoins like XRP like all Altcoins are a DOUBLE SPECULATIVE coins that can only appreciate IF BTC appreciates AND then the coin is lucky enough to have a narrative at that time for it to run higher?* - -92% in BTC bear market from 2014-2016 - 1,000s% gain in 2017 BTC bullmarket - -92% in 2018-2020 BTC bear market - Modest rise in 2021 BTC bull market - Dump again in 2022-2023 BTC bear market - Touches 2018 ATH again in 2024 when BTC bull runs to $100K

Fabtacular1

1. I feel like many of these “targets” were far from predictions and more in the vein of “I wouldn’t be surprised if …” and the like. 2. Nobody knows where BTC is going and if they did they wouldn’t tell you. 3. Calendar year-ends are not important. If BTC had hit $200k on Dec 31 and immediately slid to $40k by the end of January and stayed there these people would not be more right than if it slid to $40k by Dec 31 and then jumped up to $200k the next month. (Yes they would be *technically* right but their statements really speak to the long-term price trends in BTC.)

VeryThicknLong

The bull market hasn’t even started. I saw some data that suggested it’s longer and more drawn out, the longer BTC’s existence. So we’re looking at a heady 2026 🤞🏼

user_393

Last week or so Saylor said in an interview that he expects BTC to hit 1 mln somewhere between 4-8 years from now.

Rent_South

What is this low quality brigaded post ? I sit at 2500-3000% return with my BTC . Don't know what you're talking about. Also most of the value in that post are erroneous. And were not meant for End of 2025. 90k its actually really healthy right now.

HauntedHouseMusic

I checked my wallet. One BTC still equals one BTC

Socratic_Inquiry

BTC has is now a function of the market possibly. Sell off asset end of year harvest easy losses then buy back January. Price suppressed conveniently for Vanguarg and others to launch their products before years end?

pen_jaro

I didnt know you can buy sats. I thought it has to be 1 BTC minimum

catgirlgreen

If you're just getting into crypto, the simplest advice is to start small and don’t rush into anything you don’t fully understand. From what I’ve seen in this thread, most people are basically saying the same thing: avoid leveraging, keep your keys safe, and don’t treat Bitco⁤in like a quick-profit move. From my own experience, the thing that helped me most was tracking how much I was actually putting in and how the value shifted over time, it keeps you from panicking when the price jumps around. I also learned the hard way that moving coins between wallets without checking fees can burn a surprising amount, so double-check before confirming any transaction. If you ever want to estimate how much BTC you’re getting before you buy, I’ve used \[https://payb⁤is.com/bitcoi⁤n-calculator/\](https://paybis.com/bitcoin-calculator/) just to keep things clear and avoid guessing. Overall, keep it slow, keep it boring, and you’ll avoid most beginner mistakes.

catgirlgreen

If you're just getting into crypto, the simplest advice is to start small and don’t rush into anything you don’t fully understand. From what I’ve seen in this thread, most people are basically saying the same thing: avoid leveraging, keep your keys safe, and don’t treat Bitco⁤in like a quick-profit move. From my own experience, the thing that helped me most was tracking how much I was actually putting in and how the value shifted over time, it keeps you from panicking when the price jumps around. I also learned the hard way that moving coins between wallets without checking fees can burn a surprising amount, so double-check before confirming any transaction. If you ever want to estimate how much BTC you’re getting before you buy, I’ve used \[https://payb⁤is.com/bitcoi⁤n-calculator/\](https://paybis.com/bitcoin-calculator/) just to keep things clear and avoid guessing. Overall, keep it slow, keep it boring, and you’ll avoid most beginner mistakes.

Cryptomuscom

You managed to buy 1.1 BTC and still travel to 20 countries. You won the life balance, which is far more important.

Proof_Jellyfish_5046

Yes, Trump can start bombing BTC nodes over the world using IP tracking. The end is near!

unknownnoname2424

And hence 2026 is going to rock... Looking at $250k+ by end of 2026 as no one is now projecting such high guidance now. BTC always surprises.

Miserable_Table8601

80-90k price for the "floor" is something to be celebrated im the grand scheme of things. Just look at the damn chart since BTC's inception.

atlantic

Good luck, because next week your coins might be worth 10% less. It's what BTC maxis just don't get, utility is the ultimate value. If you can't use your coins WHEN YOU WANT, they are useless.

Drizznarte

This is a huge deal for dominance because people assume that stable coins belong on a bitcoin dominance chart , they don't BTC dominance is now at 72% . Don't let the shitcoins fake market cap fool you. Cryptocurrency have block chains , concencus mechanisms and are run in a distributed node structure. If they don't have these things, they aren't cryptocurrency. Smart contracts have 100% centralisation . If Teather PLC wants to make it's tokens unredeemable, they can and will. Not you Blockchain , not your coins !

Mother-Attempt-3884

People who have 2 BTC as only a small part of their portfolio probably don’t really care if Bitcoin goes to zero—they can rely on their other assets. But anyone holding 2 BTC with zero diversification is being delusional.

HumanNo109850364048

Some think MSTR will topple and dump massive quantities of BTC on the market, thus tanking market price

Awkward-Equal2617

In scenario 2 you’re liquidated when BTC is down…1%. I let you think by yourself whether it is a good idea or not when it comes to crypto.

MF_Price

Of course, that's where I got the 5 BTC I lost years ago.

Glyzzza_

There’s a chance, but nothing guaranteed. BTC is still very news-driven right now. If sentiment flips, it can move fast, but for now it’s more of a “wait and see” market

jinalva

Did you stack at least 2-3 months of expenses on your bank account and invest into ETFs/stocks? Only then would I go into crypto as a side bet. 80/20 BTC ETH would be my recommendation. Main thing is that you stick with your plan.

CereBRO12121

Because at this point holding 2 BTC likely means you are either well off already and it’s a long term investment, or you bought long ago and are still very much in the green.

Suboptimal_Design

I hold very little BTC but I'm internally proud of it. I'm not smart or wealthy but I'm doing my DCA from my weekly pay check, which I've researched is the best way to build a fund without it hurting. I'm in no hurry nor do I price watch. Number go up or number go down, come Friday morning, I'm buying my allotment as scheduled. So far, so good. It would be bitchin' to hold 1 coin, much less 2 or hell, even more. We'll see. I understand the risk and I'm betting on BTC. Fingers crossed.

xte2

I was one of those people. I discovered BTC around Pizza Day in a GNU/Linux magazine as a student. I messed around with mining for some months, but since there was no practical use for the past me, I could only leave them sitting there, I did exactly that, and gradually forgot the seed phrase I'd written down who-knows-where. When I saw the price substantial rise I bought a bit, but the initial big capital was lost. Unfortunately, back then I didn't have much of a nose for investments...

DwightsShirtGuy

Most people with large amounts invested are chill. To reach that point you have to be pretty knowledgeable. People with 2 BTC likely have quite a sizable diverse portfolio.

Internal_Resort5451

Trade Republic’s “cold wallet” isn’t a true self-custody setup. It’s more like an internal custody upgrade where they hold keys on your behalf. If you want your BTC on a Trezor, you need the ability to withdraw to an external address, not just move it inside their app.

Internal_Resort5451

Electrum is still the gold standard if you want full control. It’s not as pretty as modern mobile wallets, but the fee customization and transparency are unmatched. Great for someone who moves BTC regularly but doesn’t want to touch their Ledger each time.

Mechprince

I learned about BTC in 2013. Up to this day I always think about how different my life could’ve been had I just DCA’d forever.

DryMyBottom

how many of you here invested in the BTC etf rather than the actual thing? and why? in my country the real thing is going to be taxed a lot more than the ETF starting from 2026 and I am evaluating to move some of my BTC holdings toward the etf