BTC

Objective_Bus_6270

The sideways action is boring but it is probably more interesting than it looks because volatility compression eventually has to resolve somewhere. The mistake is assuming that automatically means the resolution has to be upward. With the Fed coming up I would rather map the levels and wait for price to show which scenario is actually getting accepted. Moon can be handy for putting the BTC chart beside rates, liquidity and the broader risk on picture instead of trying to infer everything from one candle pattern.

UpbeatFix7299

Lightning? Lol. Let's technically use BTC but not use it for the reasons BTC exists in the first place. Because if we transacted in BTC like it was intended, it would be totally impractical due to to the baked in limitations

Cryptomuscom

If BTC price scales with halvings, miner incentives stay fine

UpbeatFix7299

No one transacts in BTC so who cares? Unless you're a true believer who just hangs out in the echo chamber.

jojothehodler

That is what is called the consensus. If you change the rules, you are not in the consensus anymore, you just created a fork. Of you change the rule, and everyone agrees, you are in the consensus, you are still BTC

Topspeed_PT

People buy and sell every second. BTC is down 1.59% today.

KanedaSyndrome

Well if we know others exit when there's uncertainty, then that's the play. This is not about underlying value, as there is none in BTC, but it's Poker against the other investors.

Which_Drop_5877

You can add unlimited 0s after the decimal point. You can keep dividing and distributing. If 0.0017 BTC is $133.45 then you can buy a $3 loaf with just 0.000014 BTC.

TheresNoSecondBest

>BTC is first and foremost a store of value. It's held by Governments, Corporations, and individuals, as a store of value. The only way node runners (*as the system currently stands*) would have any real sway over miner (mining corporations) choices, is if BTC's primary function was transfer of value (currency). Since it is not, and since currently it is treated as digital gold (which I'm not trying to argue is a bad thing, just stating the reality), there's no reason for miners to listen to anyone. Honestly, it doesn't matter how people use bitcoin. I'm using it as an insurance in case my current government ducks things up again, I'm using it as a currency to pay for goods and services, I'm using it as a savings account. Yes, the majority of people use it as a store of value but to do that, they still had to the "transfer of value" to their own wallet. Yes, HODL is using too. Anyway, store of value doesn't remove node power. Nodes enforce the rules that make BTC scarce and valid in the first place (21M cap, signature rules, etc.). If miners tried to change those, nodes reject the blocks regardless of what BTC "is used for." **The store-of-value property depends on node-enforced rules.** The miners node relationship is a mutual hostage situation, not one sided as you think. Miners need nodes to propagate and validate their blocks. And nodes need miners to produce blocks. If miners diverge from what users and nodes accept, their blocks are worthless. That mistake costs a lot of electricity. This is why the Blocksize War I have mentioned above, resolved the way it did: the majority of miners backed bigger blocks, but economic nodes and users rejected them. >Let's do some game theory: let's say a bunch of node runners want to make a change. Let's even say 60% agree, and run a different implementation of BTC. Why would the miners make a change? If this 60% is just Luke and friends spinning cheap Sybil nodes like it happened recently, miners will ignore it. If the 60% are nodes with a 60% crowd of users behind, like we had in 2016, miners will start paying attention. >ESPECIALLY if that change had some kind of threat to miner incentives (profitability & future profitability)? Bip110 was forcing the spammers to use more block space to achieve the same result (surprise, it didn't stop the spam at all), which incentvied the miners "profitability & future profitability" and yet, they ignored it. **ESPECIALLY, because the majority of nodes and users ignored it**. In 2017, miners didn't ignore segwit, despite losing "profitability & future profitability" due to [ASICboost](https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/mining-manufacturer-blocking-segwit-benefit-asicboost). **ESPECIALLY, because the majority of nodes and users wanted it.** >In this hypothetical Instead of hypothetical, I gave you REAL examples that happened. Try to read them, and research everything, instead of listening to the scammers. >The reality is, the node runners could fork, and because they have no mining power (in comparison) they will forever be the shorter chain. Less mining power doesn't necessary means shorter chain, even if the fork stays at the same algo. Since 2017, Bitcoin is "the shorter chain". Bcash is currently at block number 968,580 while Bitcoin is at 967,088. I'm honestly too lazy to check on other forks but I'm sure, at least one of them will have even longer chain. The longest chain isn't everything. >Do Do you forget that part of BTC's value proposition is it's network effect? It's length of uptime? Just BTC existing for a longer amount of time than any of it's competitors is a factor in why its more valuable today. This is your only correct assumption, mate. And that's the reason, why if you're proposing a BIP, you need to convince as much of people as possible. 20% Sybil nodes won't cut it. Even trying to force the change with only 60% of nodes as in your scenario would be bloody difficult. You don't want to force or break anything, you want to **make Bitcoin better**. You won't make Bitcoin better by forcing people to use your idea, like Roger, Faketoshi and Jihan tried in 2017, nor Luke, Mechanic and Krater in 2026. You make Bitcoin better when you convince people how it helps them. >Don't forget that two mining pools already currently make up 43% of hash.. so "Secure" is surface level of course. You're wrong again, mate. Lukecoin for example had currently one pool that made over 60% of hash alone. I bet they forgot to tell you about that. Anyway, pools =/= miners. I'm a small miner myself. I'm also a part of one pool. Should this pool start acting strange or forcing a change I don't like, it'll take me about one minute to point my machines to another pool. Pools are here to make money too. Not to ruin their reputation and kill their income within an hour. If you think Bitcoin is not secure, you should probably sell your coins and use a "more secure" shitcoin. >From first principles, there's no incentive for miners to listen to node runners. Wrong. I just showed you examples from the past. Not scenarios, made in your head. >They don't work for anyone but themselves. Wrong. They work for the network. They earn from the network bitcoin for themselves. >They are corporations, regulated by governments, Not all. Thousands of miners like myself out there too. There's more small unregulated miners out there than corporations. >with one driving force: profitability. Correct for the corporations. Not for everyone. We, small miners care about more than that. I value the non-KYC'd coins more than coins bought at some shitcoin casino, for example. >To say otherwise would be going against basic economic incentive structure. Nothing's absolute, mate. I just gave you my reason. Do you think Satoshi mined just for profit too? How about the thousands of people between Satoshi and now?

cuteman

> I think govts secretly have more. China, Russia, NK, Europe, S America… all the continents, all the govts- BTC is at least on their radar. If BTC ever became that significant a state actor could brute force 51%

PeteyPab305

Digital Silver! LMFAO Ok well it launched in 2011 only 2 years after BTC, how long will I need to wait, exactly for it break back above $100? NTM Charlie Lee sold and donated all of his market-accumulated Litecoin holdings on December 20, 2017, to eliminate a conflict of interest, following a launch that is widely considered to "fair" at best. I know more about LTC than you might think bud. It assure it's hot trash that lost all of it utility when Stable Coins launched enabling a pegged coin to settle into with near zero transaction fee's! Why would I settle into LTC when Stable Coins exists?

creative_usr_name

I don't consider moving BTC already withing my control, or consolidating UTXOs taxable events. If you went to the bank and exchanged 100 one dollar bills for 1 one hundred bill no one would think that's a taxable event. I have a spreadsheet where I track my cost basis and when I spend I "use up" those basis's. Granted I only have a few dozen BTC transactions.

redbow7

I thought lost BTC was higher 3-4 million

Enfiznar

Behold, [BTC is the wave the Voyager ship navigates ](https://imgur.com/a/vCIOjV7)

sheeeeeeeeei

Yeah, but I don’t like being optimistic when it comes to the fate of the ledger. Why bother lol, it either fails catastrophically or becomes too big to ignore. Just heard too that Data centers are coughing up big big money to guarantee contracts to future electricity reserves. And I’m not confident in finding more efficient ways of hashing. I’m especially thoughtful about if we will EVER move past silicon. Wouldn’t it be funny if bitcoin was just one big lesson in chemo-physics 😂 which actually reminds me of our own role in how halving actually is supposed to affect price action in a perfect world where we all trade our fiat for Bitcoin and use it as a P2P electronic cash system 😭😭😭😭 I keep my mind not too far away from scarcity economics and who’s really bag holding big time with an evil secret agenda? I don’t blame some people for not caring about the health of the system (software) that gives them riches. And to me that’s why BTC is so powerful a tool. Because we’re still early (to mining, buying, etc.) the same way you could have been early in 2009. I somewhat believe in the inverted Bitcoin rainbow chart. Scarcity from lost coins will continue to dominate price action well past 2140. My main fear is running out of a usable amount of coins and all functional coins are lost and no one can participate in the system anymore. You’d have to build a new one or abolish currency and worship the fallen God BTC 😭 idk man I think way far ahead

Wildwildworld123

I'll just say this...Nobody knows for sure, but lets say theres one more dip. BTC goes down to 60k(i personally dont think it will) I would NOT wait for 50k. If we see 60K again you better jump the fuck on it.

Amazing_Giraffe_7464

+ 1 for Gemini. I've had one since they started their CC program. They do 1-3% cashback in your choice of coin, including BTC. Their anti-fraud protections trigger enough for me to feel safe and moving coin rewards to my cold storage is straight forward. I've had to replace one card due to entering my info into a shady website and their customer service was top notch in getting me sorted.

GrokM14232

A cloture vote is mostly a test of whether leadership has 60 votes to open debate, not a clean probability estimate for final passage. Even a 58-42 failure can be constructive if the holdouts are bargaining over amendments or jurisdiction, while 60-40 can still leave the bill stuck later. For BTC and ETH, imo the near-term move is probably more positioning cleanup than a lasting regulatory repricing unless the vote exposes a durable bipartisan coalition.

Snoo_51584

What about BTC’s utility? Can the BTC network handle the same number of transactions as VISA or Mastercard? NO!! How many times or people are promoting BTC for its utility instead of its trading value? Even at current price of BTC, who is using Satoshis to pay for their sushi dinner, groceries and/or Mortgage? BTC was a promising open source project and now it’s “Brought to you Big Money and Financial institutions”! 🤷🏽‍♂️✌🏽

magicseadog

I think my biggest lesson about BTC is almost always the narrative is wrong.

Kitchen_Net_GME

I see Bitcoin hitting $85K pretty soon. Just seems like BTC and the markets are consolidating and bubbling to go higher. I watch meme stonks too and see the same pattern there.

r3dd1t0r77

But they didn't have the money. They had an investment (BTC). If they were going to sell their investment, they should've planned for that months in advance. Selling a large investment (6+ figures) shouldn't be done on a whim (no emotions, no impulse buys like houses/cars). They should have had a plan like "when BTC reaches *x* value, sell 25%... etc etc." You can ignore this, but that would be inadvisable. Ask any veteran investor. Secondly, once you have the money, you still need to research your next investment: the house. See the link provided for steps 2 and 4: 2. Get to know your market (4-5 months before you plan to buy) 4. Start searching for the right home (around 4-5 months) Failing to plan is planning to fail, my dude.

damnuchucknorris

What losing 18 BTC taught me about B2B sales- LinkedIn. Total marketing post.

Mister_Way

I expect CLARITY to pass cloture tomorrow followed by a big green candle, then gets dashed to pieces as US and Japanese central banks cause dollar rates to rise and risk assets to get fucked. Then an escalation from Iran, who want to make sure Trump gets fucked at the election, all coming together for a huge resumption of price losses for BTC.

MiaTaude589

Yeah this. Bitcoin can remove some monetary discretion, but it doesn't make lending, custody, or credit risk disappear. I'd still keep my BTC in self-custody, but businesses borrowing in BTC from private banks seems inevitable?

Beneficial_Giraffe21

Doesn’t avoid the tax event however better to take the hit now than in 10 years from now. Did the same. If BTC turns out the way many hope tfsa is a great way to get the gains out tax free or at least tax deferred.

TapeLegacy

I feel sorry for anyone who didn’t enter at $58,000. Good luck, but BTC is never hitting that price again 🤷🏼‍♀️🔥

blastermckaster

Mmm....BTC from 0.1 USD to 78k is a bull run my guy.

CyanDew

fair point. allow me to dive further. in all honesty, since June i’ve been 80% allocated in BTC. 60% of my BTC is locked in a hard wallet with no output history, while the other 20% is in a hot wallet. i get paid weekly in BTC and USD. i mainly use up my 20% USD allowance for the week for bills and expenses, because it fits my budget. that way i only have to sell portions of my BTC when i absolutely need to. somedays ill wake up and see i have an extra $50 in BTC when its up for the day. depending on the USD i have leftover, ill take a portion of those gains to treat myself. thats more or less what i meant when i said i DCA out. nobody likes to part ways with their bitcoin, but for the most part, i don’t feel as bad knowing i only sell small bits when absolutely necessary. i hope that makes more sense! nonetheless, this is my

bitusher

>are you sending them BTC? or are you using a BTC card type deal where it automatically converts your BTC into $$ then pays them? I don't use any crypto cards and don't like them. I always spend Bitcoin directly online and locally. I my country hundreds of local users take bitcoin directly over lightning and most keep their BTC and respend it > for signaling intent of "plebs" and for if we are pointing our wallets at them and transacting with them. Not all nodes are the same. Nodes with merchants , wallets , exchanges, and large hodlers matter much more than someone with a little amount of BTC. You are right that economic nodes are what matter . But being a trader or hodler is a type of economic node as well.

AnywhereSavings1710

"Many users like myself see Bitcoin primarily as money and I spend it with merchants almost everyday . You could suggest that most either treat it as a store of value **or as a speculative asset to day trade or swing trade** though. Thus its not just a store of value even if you consider its most popular use cases." \> Need to respond to this as well - are you sending them BTC? or are you using a BTC card type deal where it automatically converts your BTC into $$ then pays them? If it's the latter, this has no effect on the incentive I was discussing. The point was that non-mining nodes are only good (as far as what we're discussing, but yes, there are other benefits for the network and user besides what I'm about to say) for signaling intent of "plebs" and for if we are pointing our wallets at them and transacting with them. So that there is some functional connection to the network activities.

bitusher

> BTC is first and foremost a store of value. Many users like myself see Bitcoin primarily as money and I spend it with merchants almost everyday . You could suggest that most either treat it as a store of value **or as a speculative asset to day trade or swing trade** though. Thus its not just a store of value even if you consider its most popular use cases. >The only way node runners (as the system currently stands) would have any real sway over miner (mining corporations) choices, is if BTC's primary function was transfer of value (currency). This does not follow. Economic Full nodes absolutely enforce the consensus rules and can directly influence which chain a miner decides to mine >there's no reason for miners to listen to anyone. Miners are also Bitcoiners . Many run their own full nodes , contribute to development , spend Bitcoin. There isn't miners vs others. There is a spectrum of users who use bitcoin in many different ways. >Let's even say 60% agree, and run a different implementation of BTC. Why would the miners make a change? ESPECIALLY if that change had some kind of threat to miner incentives (profitability & future profitability)? This is not a hypothetical scenario and was already played out in the 2017 Blocksize wars >In this hypothetical, what happens if the miners do NOT run a different implementation? You need to be more detailed as to the power dynamics and support for a change. Is the change a hardfork ? A soft fork ? Which groups of users support the change and what degree of support? Devs, merchants , exchanges , miners, users , wallets ? >Don't forget that two mining pools already currently make up 43% of hash.. so "Secure" is surface level of course. Miners hold less power than you assume as proven in 2017.

heinzmoleman

Inflation at ATH and you want to trade BTC for Fiat???? Yikes

sheeeeeeeeei

Oh my god! So true. I remember reading the white papers (didn’t really understand much of the jargon but I tried) but I simply knew it was going to explode exactly the way it did. Mainly because I knew how small it was back in 2012. So I do think about it a lot, like what will happen when it becomes difficult to mine due to electricity shortages? If there is no possibility for electricity shortages, bitcoin is a great way to protect your self from predatory financial institutions. I also wonder a lot about that Satoshi guy. I saw a comment on here from a guy saying he thinks BTC was given to us by aliens. I suppose that’s extremely unlikely lol so yeah let’s go with aliens 😂 Bitcoin seems like a living creature at this point if you’re paying attention to miner incentives and capitulation forecasts. Quite a rich history and I still have no idea who the hell would “trade” bitcoin

xaviemb

There are closer to 20.1m BTC right now... in about 3.7 years you can round up to 21m

yoobermcruber

Trump did not promise a strategic bitcoin reserve of 4 million BTC or removal of taxes on bitcoin in his election campaign. During his election campaign he said, “If I am elected, it will be the policy of my administration to keep 100% of all of the bitcoin the U.S. government currently holds. This will serve as the core of the strategic bitcoin stockpile. No bitcoin will ever be sold, only purchased and secured.”

sheeeeeeeeei

I read the white papers at 15 years old cuz I found an article about BTC. (Long time ago) I also immediately knew it sounded like a scam to outsiders, and not to even try to tell other people about it, because you’ll get the same response. I understood exactly what a bitcoin was and what the ecosystem looked like immediately. It’s just not for everyone. I didn’t even buy in because I wanted to mine and mining had already become specialized. I still plan on buying a mini rig. I was interested in a full size machine but it’s just too much electricity. Bitcoin was cool back then. I really wonder what it’d be like to meet this community irl. Either way the price action is written into the white papers itself if you can build some inference skills. Gosh.

richardto4321

Well, BTC is less volatile nowadays, but it still has a lot more potential upside compared to traditional investments like the S&P. There will still be swings, but not like 10 years ago when everyone was seeing 10x or even 50x on their investment within 2 years. If that's what you're expecting, then I'm afraid you're gonna be very disappointed.

bigcoumbe

.21 equates to every current millionaire. If every current millionare had 0.21 btc that would be all the BTC.

archm1chael

To answer your first question. Last cycle we had rumours of a BTC ETF, and then the actual ETF listings. Both the rumours and the listings had associated upward pa. I see pretty clear parallels with the clarity act.

Normal_Bandicoot7926

Does BTC in exchanges like Binance or Coinbase count as Funds&ETFs or individuals ?

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Lefties_TheWorst7331

Well, just not much new bitcoin. Plenty new fiat though. And yup, few understand. Gimme as much BTC exposure as possible. 😎

Public-Pass5158

Just read about MSTR. It's give or take 1.5 leverage on BTC, and look how volatile the stock price is. Now imagine if the leverage were 3x.

OtherwiseNeat9617

Yes. They're all betting on the price of BTC, settled in fiat. Being scammed by the whales

Gentry_dev

I just want to add re-reading your post, just do the effing post-nuptial…..or maybe even better, no nuptial agreement at all! You are free to hold that BTC to your hearts content and never tell her about it as long as you keep it in BTC. Whatever you spend of it after marriage, don’t buy other assets with it! If you spend it use it to pay bills or so there’s nothing she could take.

Queasy-Ride4291

BTC is a currency. Used for exchanging goods and services. And a poor one at that. And it can’t even keep up with the US Dollar over half a decade. I understand all that I need to. 

joefunk76

Incorrect. 1 BTC would be worth $42M in that scenario, not accounting for GDP real growth and inflation.

Meto_Kaiba

It's misleading, but it's not inaccurate I hope. If a human works an entire lifetime to afford 0.0017 BTC, that's on them.

TypicalSalt5360

Try not to be in the 7.7% of lost BTC, guys.

aleksandra_brznsk

Why moving everything to BTC? Can store assets in one wallet, almost any of them. If you have Ledger, try Guarda. Using it with ERA Wallet, it's a hardware one, and loving such features as predictions

xaviemb

Given the assumption (premise) that Bitcoin replaces store of value and unit of account for all transactions globally (\~$900T USD of value), 0.0017 BTC would represent \~$42,857,142.85 of todays USD Better way to think of it is 0.0017 BTC would buy what today $42.8 million buys... but if that happened USD would not really have a value anymore. Bitcoin would be what everything is priced in (given the premise).

Meto_Kaiba

I've got time on reddit. If every human on earth owned that much BTC, then what? We would all be called 0.0017 and there would be no more r/namenerds needed.

Meto_Kaiba

If there's 21 million times 100 million of something, where something is something that is in hot demand such as BTC, then why does 21 million matter more as a number than 100,000,000 times 21 million units?

LikSaSkejtom

Bitcoin is public ledger. If you intend to do something with it, at least some research is recommended. Here, 99% of people are some greedy toons that want quick dollars. They are not interested in BTC, but dollar.

Stoic-Strategy99

What is the purchasing power of 0.0017 BTC in this hypothetical?

LikSaSkejtom

Is this one AI speaking with another AI? Nor above graphic, nor your comment have any sense. Bitcoin is highly concentrated. Only a handful of addresses hold vast amout of bitcoin. To put into perspective, 2000 individual wallets hold 60%+ of BTC. Good luck you all!!

BlazingPalm

I think govts secretly have more. China, Russia, NK, Europe, S America… all the continents, all the govts- BTC is at least on their radar.

hodler1992

Those BTC wander directly to the wallets of the whales

xaviemb

Worth noting... 13.98M BTC distributed evenly among 8.31B people is **0.0017 BTC per human on earth**. If, in the future, Bitcoin becomes the main storage of value and world currency... an average human could work an entire lifetime in hopes of getting to 0.0017 BTC (today that costs $133.45 *"Might want to get some, in case this catches on"* \~Satoshi 2009

Traditional_Most105

If you can afford to have that much money in crypto and especially btc then you should leave it as it is until it goes to the desired profit. Cause everyone in crypto space wants, expects, speculates and eventually put money in crypto space cause BTC eventually will go up. Even the negative people having invested money in want and expect it to go up one day and make them rich. Many also expect and speculate BTC will go up because they invested in altcoins and most altcoins thrive once BTC goes up thats why they invest money in them. So everyone expecting and speculating that BTC will go up one day could even become a self fulfilling prophecy if it didnt already became one. Its just every time people saying bearish stuff, bearish stuff happens or something different is expected to happen yet still they invest in crypto. Nobody knows what will happen but based on the history and psychology of the market and people it must go up... Maybe the same time it goes maybe a different time maybe never? No one knows. Thats why people speculate... So do your research, hear what people say with a grain of salt or search more thouroughly, make your own speculations, reach your own conclusions and decide your strategy thats good for you and your life. All have different plans. Some hold it and will hold it. Others sell when they make some profit cause they need money and feel that amount its ok for them, others want BTC to retire them... so listen to everyone but act on what you believe is best for you cause no advice is right until it is proven right.

SeriousGains

2 or 3 BTC will make you a millionaire overnight? Sign me up

Dull_Ad5440

Buy some BTC, go online and declare HODL and To the Moon. Profit. Or not.

AsherHayes6

If that $0.02 order actually fills, BTC reaching $420,000 won't even be a dream anymore—it'll be mathematical inevitability.

Queasy-Ride4291

5 years is a common metric. And BTC has not outpaced inflation in 5 years. Even with a cherry picked 7X in the middle.

Tall-Ad1293

0.4 BTC at age 25 already puts you ahead of 99% of your peers globally. Keep stacking satoshi by satoshi, that 0.5 BTC goal is closer than you think.

Tall-Ad1293

They want us to hold toxic fiat debt in a digital wrapper. They can keep their stablecoins, I'll keep my BTC in cold storage.

TheRadishBros

Don’t; you take profits from elsewhere an purchase BTC to preserve that value.

randalthor1980

In my opinion, it is impossible for someone else to comment on this because we don't know all the details of your life and your financial situation. Also, we don't know what the price action and chart will look like for BTC in that time period and what the overall risk asset market will look like either.

CrustyBus77

10 Year Treasury touched 4.99 this morning. Normally a bad thing for Bitcoin but BTC is up and the market is down this morning. The economic eggheads say that this is different because the market is losing confidence in the dollar and a rotation out of equities is coming.

Lefties_TheWorst7331

Joking right? I can sell my BTC and BTC related ETFs right now for a profit.. in seconds. Havent realized their losses? You think 99% of holders are in the red? And that they are unable to sell and realize those losses? They purchased it.. but theres no demand to sell it? Bitcoin has billions of dollars in volume, daily.. Buttcoiner with invalid takes huh?

1-gill

Bitcoin reflects the dollars true value. Change my mind. $1 = BTC 0.000013

Romanizer

It can be traded for goods and services as long as the vendor accepts it. That would again start redistribution. I would gladly sell him a service for 1 million BTC because they are going back to >$1million/BTC.

AsSheDoes

Now b4/if clarity act passes. Dca is great but whenever i can lump some BTC I do asap.

Content_Addition9131

J’ai déjà 0,4 BTC objectif maintenant c’est 0,5 BTC (j’ai que 25ans)

Appropriate_Star3012

Hectic, you know more than me and I've been stacking BTC since 2017

zante2033

You don't get it. It's a small step towards looser guard rails. Of course BTC will find itself within that ecosystem in time, along with a bunch of other shitcoins... He'll make a presser along the lines of "it's going so well, we're gonna let bitcoin in, you know, it's the orignal and it's the best" and then all those bribes he's received can just flow right on through. If you don't think that's going to have consequences an interface for corruption you're about 20 years behind the current model of how things work.

apricotR

It's like investing. DCA is the way. If you try and time the BTC market, you have to be right - twice.

colemusic1

If there’s one extra thing you would like to understand from a finance perspective too; “not your keys, not your coins” applies to spot buying, but not spot ETF buying. What I mean by that is if you buy BTC via an exchange (such as coinbase, kraken pro, binance, CoinSpot etc), then yes there is custodial risk and therefore best to be kept in a wallet where you know your own seed phrase kept on paper. But you also do not need to have seed phrases if you’re buying bitcoin ETF’s, such as IBIT on brokerage platforms like IBKR. There’s roughly $100b+ in bitcoin based ETF’s which is pretty huge. And the reason I’m noting that is that some people just don’t want to have to bother with exchanges or wallets, so they settle for something they can buy directly on a brokerage platform where custodial risk doesn’t exist. It’s becoming increasingly popular among Wall Street to go this route

molnardavid84

For long-term holding, optimal UTXO management balances future spending fees with strict transaction privacy. Stacking small, recurring purchases creates numerous dust outputs that incur steep fees during high mempool spikes and expose your entire purchase history when consolidated. Aim to consolidate into chunks around 0.01 to 0.05 BTC during low-fee weekend windows. If those inputs carry exchange KYC history, consolidating directly links all purchases into a single cluster. Using CoinJoin via WabiSabi clients—such as Ginger Wallet for out-of-the-box mixing or Wasabi with custom coordinators—breaks that graph before final cold storage sweeping.

CoinGate_Gift_Cards

If you come from buy-and-hold stocks, don’t feel like you need to trade crypto constantly. A lot of people treat BTC and ETH as longer-term positions and keep smaller, riskier coins to a limited part of the portfolio. The main difference is crypto is far more volatile, so position size matters a lot.

colemusic1

Exactly. The other guy commenting could easily be holding a big chunk of IBIT, mind you it doesn’t seem to indicate that based off how he phrased his comment haha, but your point still stands. I’d go on to argue holding IBIT through IBKR is essentially as safe as you can possibly hold BTC

Certain_Plan_5819

Honestly, small caps are the best for that. BTC can only hype.

Timely_Food_7352

mexc has been solid for this rally. ZEC volume there actually jumped to #3 right behind BTC and ETH, so liquidity is surprisingly deep. Plus 0 fees and up to 100x leverage if you're playing the squeeze/swings.

Satoshislostkey

Bitcoin doesn't need it very true. It will put a shit ton of liquidity into the crypto markets though. Which will pump BTC

Ragnogrimmus

Ummm there is serious money for btc and crypto. 50/50 Shot Option calls are way up this week. If it gets the 60 votes.. BTC and the crypto market will see a big jump and momentum

Educational_Speech58

LTC uses same amounting model as BTC UTXO and Cardano uses EUTXO so LTC is better than ZEC ore XLM ore XRP

ZFTJones

you're describing taxable events. there's no way around that. however when you withdraw from your future TFSA, your gains at that point will be tax free. consider also an in-kind transfer of BTC or another asset into a TFSA generally would not solve the issue either; an in-kind TFSA contribution is treated as a disposition at fair market value, and any gain must be reported.

Repulsive-Lake1753

The main and most real use case might not be realized, and it is if BTC or another main crypto become the main reserve currency. Then we will have a finite money supply not under the control of a govt for the first time.

Billy-Bob-Boner-92

Yes I try to spend less.  One car could be 1/2 BTC instead.  

BroadRecipe7225

I dont need to make money with it, i am investing since 20 years, and every asset i am in outperformces BTC in the last 6 Years. So you i hope you lose everything, if not i dont care, i am doing good without it. I simply don't see it, if you really make huge bank from now on good for you, i am still doing more then well without it.

Outside-Hearing-7688

I use to recommend always using a hardware wallet / cold storage, however... over the past decade I've seen some horrible forgotten seed phrase and password issues. I now just tell people to keep their Bitcoin on brokers like Robinhood, Gemini etc. There are also Bitcoin IRAs I use now, [Public.com](http://Public.com), and you can also get access to BTC via the ETFs in IRAs.

quintavious_danilo

Hide your BTC behind 24 words.

SomeonesSecondary

I lost all hope for “crypto” after dabbling in the ecosystem for awhile and realizing being in crypto is such a lifestyle, most people are just never going to dive in. That being said, I will continue to stack BTC and I keep some ETH I don’t have strong conviction for but figure it’s will enough established, might as well have some exposure

Firm_Yogurtcloset835

In this scenario, a single miner successfully mining blocks for one year, with a reward of 50 BTC every 10 minutes: 199,584,000,000. Note: not even Satoshi has that much.

tapakip

I've been in Bitcoin since it was $400. People have been saying things similar to your comment since before I got in.   It doesn't take as much capital as you think to raise the price.  Number is very wildly but it's anywhere from 10 to 25 x for a capital invested to price achieved multiplier. Also,  you're having BTC MC increase in a bubble vs what will happen elsewhere.  NVDA, or another AI stock, will be even bigger then it's current $5 trillion dollar market cap when BTC eventually hits its 4 year cycle high in 2029. Lastly, we are in an inflationary death spiral in the US and this will only contribute to asset price inflation.  

Ordinary_Ad3705

Well, it can go down or up, who knows. As long as it's technology doesn't develop or gain more value in different markets, it's price will always depend on BTC and ETH.

Always_working_hardd

Curious what it's worth now? I have a buddy that threw out his laptop years ago that he mined BTC on. He said he only had 9 or so on it.

outoftownMD

I forgot my codes, didn’t protect them & lost almost 12BTC & 80+ ETH in 2017. I had forgotten I had bought ENJ at ICO at 4c. Happened to find it on an exchange years later and it was 100x’d. Sold immediately into BTC for revival

Ok-Box-918

noticed something weird in BTC but specially in ETH-- every September the last few years so last 6 Septembers: -16%, -11.6%, -12.3%, -2.2%, +5.3%, -5.6%. only one green (2024). thought it was just "sell in september" nonsense until i checked what the Fed was doing each time. every single one of those months had an FOMC meeting mid-month and the tone of it basically called the direction. 2023 they held but talked hawkish -> red month. 2024 they cut 50bps out of nowhere -> the one green one. 2025 they cut again but it was already priced in and ETH still bled after. this year we've got the Sept 15-16 meeting coming and it looks like the sketchiest setup of the bunch. hike odds (not just hold, an actual hike) sitting around 70-87% depending on source. haven't seen that in any of the last few years. new fed chair too, apparently more hawkish and less predictable than powell was. if it actually hikes, my gut says something like 65-70% chance the month ends red, 30% it doesn't, mostly depends on how hawkish/dovish the presser sounds after since the hike itself is basically priced in already. not a call to do anything, just thought the pattern was interesting. anyone else been watching this or am i just seeing noise...and i think BTC also did same from past few years