BTC

Hippos4ever

How is +.53%(share price) beating out annual inflation if inflation is 4% Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t the yield from your stonks need to be at inflation or above it in order to be beating inflation at face? And also assume no bad news comes out to bear the stock? And yes… I used fiat because it’s what the system that trades stocks (and you normies) use but eventually, yes BTC would be a valid exchange peg, or as you pointed out, even gold could in theory be used.

LardLad00

>Gold and Silver are NOT worth what they are because people will wear in on a ring. Agreed, but then there's the thousands of years as currency thing you didn't address. People invest in currency because there is a high confidence that the currency will continue to have utility as a currency. Gold and Silver have that. Crypto does not. >Once everyone believes something is worth something, it becomes worth it. Simple as that. If everyone stopped "believing" the dollar bill was work anything, it would become worthless. You're starting to get it. What's stopping a dollar from losing value? It's backed by the most powerful country in the history of civilization and is used billions of times of in day-to-day commerce. People have no reason to believe that's going to change. If it does, you can bet it will lose a lot of value. Now, **what's stopping BTC from losing value?** >Things that people and large cooperation dump their money in it to hold value  You mean like cars? Or machines? People and corporations dump lots of money into both. Do they appreciate? Dumping money doesn't lead to holding value unless there is some other mechanism to assure future value creation.  >As has been proven with BTC Nothing has been proven with BTC and any idiot with a price chart can see that. Its value has no anchor. It is 100% speculation and when you buy BTC that's what you are doing. No more no less. Might as well buy Pokemon cards or beanie babies.

respectandmanners

Chase bank must be wrong that BTC will be the best class over the next 10 years

Wonderful-Cup-2252

Forced liquidation, burned my account as well. No more money in my crypto wallet. As for Bitcoin, the original whitepaper was being bypass by ETF. From 21million limited supply, BTC is now unlimited. 1BTC is use as collateral for multiple ETF and it bypasses the law of supply and demand. Similar with silver and gold, the hedge is the one who control how price works, not on the actual demand. Silver is being used for semicon, warfares, etc. Pero the price keeps going down kasi large institution needs to liquidate the retails.

Vast_Sky_3726

You can buy BTC you'll probably about 3x your money so id do BTC SOL and ETH

Strange-Tap5860

Gold and Silver are NOT worth what they are because people will wear in on a ring. If everyone on earth stopped wearing jewellery the price of it would not collapse. That is not why it is worth what it is. People invest in it as an alternative to stocks. They are investing an asset that holds their money in certain market conditions. Just like BTC. BTC is a "lucky gamble"? Its a mature asset that has been around for \*16 years\*. Is it more risky then the SNP500? Yes. But its gains are also a lot higher. Once everyone believes something is worth something, it becomes worth it. Simple as that. If everyone stopped "believing" the dollar bill was work anything, it would become worthless. People don't value it because its paper and has the functionality to draw on it. >I'm sorry but this is a really dumb statement. Nothing "just appreciates." Only fools invest in things expecting appreciation out of thin air.  Things that people and large cooperation dump their money in it to hold value (and especially if it has a limited supply) is an asset that can hold or increase its value. As has been proven with BTC.

paolilon

The security of BTC has become more than a nagging question…Frankly, I’m shocked it’s as high as it is

LardLad00

It has not been a great investment. It has been a lucky gamble. There's a difference. Just because the price has gone up doesn't mean it is worth anywhere near what it is priced at now. Pyramid schemes are great investments until they're not. Gold and silver were literally the currency of the world for thousands of years and they still act that way on top of having real commercial utility. How many people are buying BTC to wear on a chain or a ring? >its just an asset that appreciates, so people invest in it.  I'm sorry but this is a really dumb statement. Nothing "just appreciates." Only fools invest in things expecting appreciation out of thin air. 

fastfatdrops

DCA is for those who are down from their entry price. If you stick to your guns of [ buying low, selling high ] - there's no need for DCA. If you make a dollar from selling BTC, you are a winner and vice versa. People are people, and factor greed in + herd mentality, all logic tends to vapourize. No reason to cut losses, unless you treat invested funds into BTC as hot money.

ptsi8

So did you expect BTC to just go straight up +100% every year? Roughly 4.5 years ago, were you also mad because BTC had been stagnant between Dec 2017 ATH and March 2023 flash crash?

No-Vast346

Congrats on finally hitting that quarter BTC milestone. How's ur plan for storing it long-term?

ActualTangerine2583

Really? So let s speak about liquidity…as a main fuel of BTC/crypto…where is your liquidity for next parabolic bull run you so believe is happening soon? Because I see none. 

Alexander-305

Quick perp read on the bounce for anyone watching today: - BTC is around 64.6k, back under the ~66.1k rebound high from the 4 AM ET hour, with the overnight low still ~62k - Funding on the BTC perps I track has drifted to flat or slightly negative this morning, so longs aren't paying up to chase - Open interest on one major book is roughly flat vs early this morning (about 4.5k BTC) So nobody looks crowded right now. If price gets back over 66k with funding staying flat, that's spot doing the work. If it loses the 62k low while open interest climbs, that's fresh shorts pressing. Not a call, just what I'm watching.

Theverybestestintown

I know I'm piling on here, but BTC's performance over the last year and five years is extremely underwhelming. The old narrative of inflation hedge is obsolete and there isn't any real momentum behind it. We are clearly in a solid bear market and BTC has not yet found its bottom. All signs point toward a dump below 50K. It will stop dumping whenever enough buyers believe it's undervalued (late 2018, 2022 etc)

Thatworkedoutgreat

1 BTC is 1 BTC! Even if its worth 0$ you still have 1 BTC so there is nothing to worry about.

IM-PT24

Fear and greed index isn't a little app, lol. And it exists for almost all assets, not just Bitcoin. Its moved my market sentiment and its based on momentum, prices, volume, call options, BTC vs Altcoin index, even social media sentiment.

Rare_Range_5282

Please- Just calm down. I have been holding BTC since 2014. I have been here for wilder price rides than this here. As predicted after the shit jumped off with the “spy who loved me” how could you not think there would not be a rattle? look.. whatever you do - don't sell not a dime of your BTC! - Diamond balls or paper balls? Wall Street was not built on fright. I just bought a $1000 more of bitcoin even though I have one and a half. Why did I still buy? Because at the end of the day month,year or decade that stand alone asset will live through the test of time.. that coin is not going to stay in this orbit forever fellas- it will be in a stratosphere one day too far for anyone to dream of having it.. and the price will be so high that the little amount you decide to buy later won't even make a dent . Persevere- I know it's tough and hard because every individuals financial situation is different. I get it.. just try and hang in there- “don’t leave 5 minutes before the miracle” and at the very least hold your heart and buy wee bit more. I believe that BTC in particular is going to make some of us pretty damn wealthy one day or our selected family members. BTC IS A COVETED ASSET NEVER EVER FORGET THAT!!……… It is Feverishly Sought after because it has one unique situation other coins don't have. It being limited and having a finite number - which makes it extremely extremely rare. Treat it like the rarest coin artwork or significant other you have - cause I got news for you- I don’t care if it drops to 50k tonight- you’d be a fool to sell- and that would only mean… you really never understood what you “ had in your wallet.” Stay strong! BTC will pay off- and I’m not hardly bullshitting- I was around when it went from 4k - 126k… it blew everyone’s mind! Well it’s just warming up. It’s gonna be around. For the first time In Your life be apart of new asset class that will reach a million dollars,. that you can say you got in early. Not tell ghost stories of how you push the sell button in 2026 and the ticker shows 250k plus in 2028. I want to See you when there is no more BTC to buy but satoshi crumbs. And the only full bitcoin that will be on sale will be at private auction only.

Pyroll2206

Aaah thanks OP ! If he is still thinking about it he can send me his BTC then the worries goes away

fan_of_hakiksexydays

Lack of interest is the biggest resistance. I feel like a lot of people got burned too many times, have moved on to other things, don't see the same hype anymore, had bitcoin fatigue, or just don't see this going anywhere anymore in tech and adoption. That's not my view, personally I think BTC is something necessary that I will always use. But I also feel like I'm very much in the minority now.

Trentonhawk

I've been investing in Crypto since 2019. Ever since October 10th of last year I have slowly sold pretty much all of it. Honestly, I think the only way to make money in crypto at this point is shorting it. I only "play" with it now and primarily by opening short positions. I know there are a lot of options when it comes to trading perps, but I solely use Jupiter Exchange on Solana for Perps. It's easy, straight forward and I am very comfortable purely shorting SOL. I use Jupiter Wallet as well to do all of this. I'm not sure when this changed, but I used to be able to trade Perps on Jupiter with no geo restrictions, but yesterday when I wanted to open a short position on Jupiter it said it wasn't available in my location. Before yesterday the last time I used Jupiter Perps was June 24th and there were no geo blocks for the US. I guess something changed. No big deal as I just use a VPN now. But yeah, I do not believe in the near future, buying and holding ANYTHING, BTC, ETH or even SOL itself will bring in profits.

Signal-Fig-2952

DCA as a single strategy is not a great approach for BTC as you should be buying more in bear markets and selling once we are past the previous cycle ATH.

Any-Neat5158

You the same troll who woulda gave me shit for holding from 65K down to 15K, but would have been white knuckling it when my 15K turned into 125K. As I've said. This is generational wealth at best, early retirement most likely, and if nothing us a fun gamble. At not even 40 years old, I'm doing quite well for myself and that's not factoring the BTC at all.

Alternative_Camp_109

No it literally did not. If you are referring about past returns based on the price _right now_ that's the case of what's known as point-to-point bias: look it up. I did a detailed analysis on this last week (probably when BTC was at ~$70K). A DCA over the past 5 years would have given a median rolling 1-yr return of over 50%, and a median rolling 3-yr annualized return of over 60%. A DCA over the entire 5-yr period would have given an XIRR of over 20%. All these are excellent numbers for any asset, let alone one which is supposedly in its worst bear market ever.

howdidoo1

Bet on BTC or find altcoins with good tokenomics where the valuation still supports entry. People are going to want to see how the token actually returns value to its holders. It’s not enough any more just to have a good growth story or idea. Value needs to be captured by token holders by design.

PunpunParker

If you had put 1k a month in BTC since January 2020 until November 2026 you would be up: + 115% In S&P 500: +64% NQ: +72% Should you sell your ETFs and put all in BTC? Lol Easy to pick a date that matches your bias an run with it.

A214Guy

While the numbers are the numbers - selling low is never the answer. At the same time BTC will never return to its glory days as it’s been co-opted by the financial system and is just another asset that is completely disengaged from its original purpose.

IM-PT24

For BTC I don't think so, but you have similar studies for the stock market. Obviously there isn't a exact point that marks the bottom and that exactly matches the fear and greed index minimum. The closest to extreme fear the closer to the bottom, and vice versa.

No_South_9912

Let me check my crystal ball. Based on recent previous deep drops, moving sideways in the mid 60's for a few weeks then a breakout. But this is BTC we're talking about, it does what it wants.

Illustrious-Boss9356

Name the last successful BIP-##, that was driven by a non-BTC Core affiliated team.

bazzlebrush

But people will have less fiat to convert into BTC once they've paid their mortgages.

According-Flight1543

Short BTC now, buy back next year when it hits 1$.

SiestamanTom

Like the Trump family supporting it BTC and BTCI are toast. What a waste of time and money.

Alexander-305

Some context from the derivatives side, since price targets alone don't tell you much. On BloFin's BTC perp the low so far was 61,989 in the 8 PM ET hour last night, on roughly 1,033 BTC traded, about 3x the hour before. That looks more like a forced-selling flush than steady spot selling. As of 8:40 AM ET it's back around 65.4k, open interest is ~4,550 BTC (up from ~4,457 late last night), and funding is barely positive at about +0.002% per 8h. So positions are being rebuilt, but nobody is paying up to be long yet. (BloFin is one of the exchanges we partner with; I'm just reading their public market data.) Not a call either way.

NoSloppyStakes

I literally know people in my basic non-finance field that buy $10-$100 of BTC a paycheck. They consider it part of their portfolio. It’s just a thing now for people who care about their “portfolio”.

Alexander-305

Setting targets is a good start, but I'd decide the exit plan before the entries. A few things that helped me after 2021: - Pick your core vs high-risk split up front (say most of it in BTC/ETH and a small slice for alts) and write it down, so a pump doesn't rewrite it for you. - DCA on a fixed schedule instead of trying to call bottoms. Weeks like this one are where the schedule earns its keep. - Set take-profit levels now while you're calm: sell a set % at prices you pick in advance and rotate it into BTC or stables. - Keep what you won't touch for years in self-custody. - Skip leverage for a long-term goal. This week's flush hit leveraged longs hard. On BTC vs alts: small caps can move more, but plenty of 2021 alts never got back to their highs, so size the alt slice as money you can afford to see go to near zero. Not financial advice, just what stops me from improvising mid-cycle.

Cuckooland2

BTC will get hacked and sentiment is at zero. It’s just a micro strategy coin with zero intrinsic value

Illustrious-Boss9356

1. Not true. BTC development today is largely centralized, with certain entities receiving significant backing from institutions, i.e. Bitcoin Core. This was always going to happen as the project grew and it's not necessarily a bad thing. It's just not as democratized as you would think. 2. Bitcoin BENEFITS from the hashrate but doesn't own it. Ownership is whoever can turn the machines on/off and direct the hashrate at certain projects. 3. Agree somewhat.

The_Anti_christ_666

Take a look at GOLD and BTC in the last 5 years.... Brutal...

The_Anti_christ_666

That's the reason to put money into BTC tho..you think people invest money in BTC because they love it? Lmaoo

IzmierdaNoGracias

5 years ago 🦜🦜🦜🦜🦜 How about 6? And 3? And 10? In December 2022 BTC was down 12% "five years ago".

thepickletony

Swapping half your BTC into LTC because you’d regret missing a pump sounds like FOMO making the decision tbh. Being down doesn’t automatically make something a bargain. I’d figure out how much volatility you’re actually comfortable with before adding more coins. For the long-term holding side, Tangem is worth a look for self-custody, but no wallet fixes a portfolio that has you stressed every time the market moves.

Street-Rooster-3031

There is no intrinsic value in BTC. It’s all speculation. It might hit 1c. You never know!

I-always-argue

I bet we'll see an announcement from strategy saying they bought a large amount of BTC again soon.

Dry-Site5595

Ah, fair enough. Historically, I've noticed that btc tends to respect the 78.6% fib level quite often, which is why I'm waiting for the $40K zone. That said, I've also noticed a pattern where, before BTC actually reverses and changes trend, it first bounces from the 78.6% level, only to break it one final time. So, in my view, we could see some upside from the $39K to $40K zone, followed by one last breakdown that flushes out the remaining buyers before the actual bull run begins. Now this might sound like complete bullshit 😂, but I've seen this happen quite often in both my intraday and positional trades. The 78.6% Fib has consistently acted as a pretty significant level for btc, at least from what I've observed

SuperbSurprise4656

BTC is just another risk-on, momentum trading play, like AI and chip stocks. You have to trade it like that (buy low, sell high).

5hukl3

BTC was 60k 5 years ago. The truth is it has underperformed basic indexes by a huge amount since then. Nvidia was trading at 30 back then, it's at 170 now.

ximogui

If BTC trend continues, we will likely not see 60-70k again 5-10 years from now. When we visited this range 5 years ago, it was peak euphoria. Now, it’s peak fear. If we do hit 150k-180k in the next couple years, a sell off to 110k may feel like peak fear. If BTC visits 60-70k 5 years from now, store of value as a value prop has utterly failed.

SwimmingGreat5317

I suggest you sell all your BTC and take up knitting. You’re clearly not cut out for crypto investing.

ContagiousDeathGuard

What are you even talking about? It hit ATH in October, $126,000. Prices never stay high with volatile assets such as BTC. Timing is key, it has experienced this exact same dip in the exact same way it has the last 3 halvings to a lesser degree

Abject-Stretch-1187

All of this novel to tell us you’ve never spent enough time in BTC. BTC spends most of its time ranging/going down and then randomly spikes up for no reason and then gives up said gain. Trying to make sense of it will make you lose your senses.

Backrus

Same, I've seen it all since 2014, and this asset is cooked (like I said, without ability to generate upside volatility, BTC lost its only unique feature, that is unique vol smile). Without that, it's just another stock, with infinitely higher downside risk than anything else in that market cap range. Why would you risk it for asset with Google vol, when you can just bid Mag7 themselves? Why would BTC go up when OGs can just sell CC in perpetuity and make 20-40% per year risk-free as long as they keep vol where it is? Risk-free because they are the ones who decide about price direction. But your average crypto bro has no idea how financial assets work, and how bad ETFs are - ETFs purpose is not to pump your bags, but to allow easy access to carry trade and selling volatility.

ghostchihuahua

This makes it sound like Bitcoin is somehow backed by the USD or fiat in general, which is absolutely not the case. Also, the scenarios where enough currencies actually hit absolute 0 are rather limited and far-fetched As for BTC’s growth potential, it is rather inversely proportional to fiat-currencies’ devalorization potential.

Backrus

Again, you never looked at IBIT options chain and its effect on BTC upside vol. I don't have time to educate you.

Coach_Carter_on_DVD

Fact 1: People who are in crypto to get rich quick are black pilling hard right now. Fact 2: People who have been in this over 5 years and plan to hold for more years aren’t even phased right now, this is just what BTC does.

Adventurous_Kick881

I bought the dip at 62k! Woke up at 65k and sold. Easy way to get more BTC.

FarConsequence3931

Anyone kind enough to donate some BTC ?? 1FZ4TvbB1WZRhaBYJsWMBCDr39CV9dffM5

No-Banana7023

Someone wrote this into a Bitcoin transaction on 8 Sep, right in the middle of that pump (BTC \~$79k, it topped out \~$86.6k two weeks later): “Many moons ago 10BTC was worth like $10; today it can retire a person.” Still true at $62k, just a slightly less fancy retirement 😅

ximogui

It is strange, but for BTC, the 4 year is always up, but the 5 year, not necessarily.

umano28

Yeah, and what use would have if all BTC belongs to few people? The rest of the world simply wouldn t use it. This is really some serious brainwashing bullshit.

Backrus

Mate, all your points are platitudes; like I said, post IBIT options BTC isn't the same free BTC that was worth the risk. One asset class? With indices returning over 20% per year for multiple years while BTC is below 2021 ATH. I bought my first BTC in 2014, but I never married that bag. You, on the other hand, seem like you need to convince yourself you didn't make a mistake by bagholding dying asset. I don't have any crypto, and will be loading when people like you finally capitulate.

Backrus

Maybe in the past, not in the post IBIT options world. BTC is underperforming bonds during the greatest bull market in history, that's not a good risk/reward.

Empty_Monk_4010

No idea mate. I'm just talking about BTC. Alts is just gambling

dubsy101

For me it wasn't even an exchange getting hacked. The one i was using to buy BTC decided to freeze my account due to 'suspicious activity' that they never explained.  After 6 months of hell trying to get 20k unfrozen I had to contact my countries regulator to get the money returned. It was the complete lack of any kind of customer service at the exchange that effectively put me off for life.  And this was one of the largest exchanges. I didn't even need to keep my crypto on the exchange i just used it to purchase.

BigDik6355

“pulease take this BTC off my hands, I give you $1000 halp my famili”

ximogui

"In size" being the key words there, my friend. Strategy's BTC stack went from 847k to 850k since May. Thats an increase of 0.4%. They sold 2k and bought back 5k in the past 6 months. They're focused on repairing STRC which, as a shareholder, is fine by me and the right longterm strategy. About 3500 BTC are mined each week. So Strategy has NOT in fact been buying more BTC than are mined weekly, as mr. BaldGuyAce had claimed. Not since Q2. My point was that dropping to 1750 BTC mined per week in the 2028 halving will certainly have some effect on BTC supply.

bananabastard

That wouldn't be an analogy. That's not what an analogy is. But anyway.... Around this time of year in 2022, it was 1 year after an ATH, bitcoin was around $16k. Go back 5 years from there to 2017, and bitcoin was around $20k. Was the opportunity over in 2022? Now, we're 1 year after an ATH, and BTC is slightly below the previous ATH. So it is behaving identically to how it did at the same point in the last cycle.

Zenyquyen

The mt gox 2011 99% drop was a hack. Only the hacker benefitted from that momentary drop , no one else got BTC for .01¢ . It happened but it was instantaneous and no one other than mt gox was affected by it. With the Binance hack Coinbase hack Mt Gox hack et. al people are learning the downside of unregulated and uninsured funds

Traditional_Most105

I've started my journey in crypto too late in July of this year... so take my advice with a grain of salt. I've researched a lot and i ended up with this conclusion: Nobody knows anything for sure and those who say they do in the end don't. All you do is speculate based on what info you gather be it influencers which is the worst, or doing your own deep research on each individual coin's project, revenues, news and stuff like that, that for someone new might take months to learn and understand to read them. And aga8n you could be wrong. Plus the crypto market always changes, with ETF's, regulations, AI. It's not the same as it was in 2021. Many more coins are added which spreads the money flowing everywhere...But because theres expectation of a bull market it might become a self fulfilling prophecy... Some say there will be an alt season and a bull run, others are negative and some others believe that maybe BTC with a few alts will conquer the next bull run... But again nothing is for sure. The safest bets as you know and many people will tell you are BTC and ETH. Lower risk but also lower upside... If you want the safe way go full on BTC and ETH... If not, go again on BTC and ETH but add a few other coins you research and believe in them and might have medium risk and higher upside. It depends on how much risk you want to take. I personally went full into alts... i know the risks, i know BTC and ETH are safer but i accept the consequences of doing so. My approach is to put monthly some money on them and i try to buy the dips when fear if high... i also will hold on to them long term no matter what until my minimum goal of the profits i want to get is reached... i accepted i might lose money on the way... No matter your approach be sure to accept the consequences and be ok with yourself no matter what happens.

Big_Landscape6078

It's prediction dude. The fact remains that BTC went down. And October wasn't a hard prediction, he was saying either October or somewhere in Q4. I remember how this sub was acting when it went to 83k. The fact remains he called it and we still have time to go. Just because it's late by a month, doesn't mean he was wrong. But you are too blind to see that.

PancakeEnjoyer16

DCA BTC and good entry for SOL

Backrus

BTC lost its ability to generate upside volatility with the launch of IBIT options. There's no sincere argument to have it in a portfolio on a risk-adjusted basis. At this point buying NVDA has better risk/reward than buying hijacked coin.

Old_Preparation8434

Just take a quick look at the BTC chart and tell me it's not playing out like the last cycles did. 🤡

Educational_Path502

Just wait until next year after the Fed's interest rate decision in December. Maybe BTC goes to 45-50K. Wait for consolidation and a break of structure before entering.

fsavino

Get rid of ADA. Dca in BTC. At your age, it's all you have to do.

synthwave_man

Yes, according to the cycle theory. But why? Where should all that money come from to pump BTC even just back to 100k? Could it be that the market is just manipulated af and if some super whales want it to pump they can make it pump?

rockymtnman2023

Yes, time the market. Time to trade that BTC for tulip bulbs while the prices are still low.

barnshaw292

AI isnt a threat as such but quantum computing sure it, BTC will be in big trouble in just a few years IMO

oopssomething

My short just got liquidated, BTC pumped $2000 in like 1 hour

BadUsername7

You’re quoting one of crypto’s biggest critics. He never meant that for BTC lol

ExciteSeek4Ever

To anyone reading this, do not be the person that wishes they sold right now when bitcoin goes to $25k. This may very well be the highest that bitcoin will ever be again. Posted this just to prove a point…no one knows…there is no real value behind BTC and it is pure gambling disguised as “technical analysis” as to the direction it takes. Personally…I’m out completely after the Binance hack and what I’ve read about the AI hack of Hugging Face. Not now…but I’m very confident that AI will ultimately be used to hack the blockchain directly (particularly once quantum takes off). And when THAT happens…game over for BTC. My money is better off elsewhere. Best wishes to those who stay the course though…

QuoteMedium

Dear BTC, don't reverse until I sell my house and one of my kidney. I 'll buy more bit coin with that money ;)

Notevenstreaming

If there was no dumb people, there would not be that many bear markets. Be grateful for dumb people who panic sell and offer you opportunity to buy BTC cheap.

LionRivr

People like to pull numbers, predictions and past history out of their ass. Nowadays, BTC is a nice little smoke alarm for global liquidity and sentiment. This downward move is a great buying opportunity, but still be careful out there. Keep your income stable and don’t put yourself in a position where you’ll be forced to sell.

Wh-h-hoap

Thanks, I will! I've understood he held many opinions on the current financial empire the US is, and that he viewed inflation (as arbitrary supply expansion) and central bank controlled interest rates with suspicion. However, I'm not convinced he was all in for the extreme deflation of the BTC price (leading to hoarding instead of spending up to now, whatever the future might hold) or the relatively extreme paranoia present in the community. After all, he more or less excommunicated himself. But I won't make you do my homework for me! Cya

ukredimps2k

Speed advantage? You must be American, Europe has had free instant bank payments for the best part of a decade. No waiting for multiple confirmations like with BTC.

Sea-Push5285

Bitcoin no longer offers the same attractive risk-to-reward ratio it did before 2025. What would you think if you had to endure two consecutive years of a bear market? We're already more than a year past the ATH, and BTC is still either searching for a new bottom or potentially heading back to its old $57K–$60K range, where it could spend several more months moving sideways. In investing, the most important thing isn't how much money you make, but how long it takes you to make it. I'm simply not willing to wait 3–4 years just for BTC to reach another ATH somewhere around $160K–$180K, only to potentially dump back to $100K afterward. That's an enormous opportunity cost. I could simply buy TQQQ instead. It offers comparable or even greater volatility, potentially similar or better drawdown-adjusted returns, and arguably a better risk-to-reward opportunity than Bitcoin at current prices.

redf0rward

My issue is the clowns on youtube who kept praising trump and the whole crytpo/bitcoin president. Now, if you said Michael Saylor....well...he made me nervous but i dealt with it, but someone like Trump? They were all praising him, and talking about how the opposition was bad etc...you know, the typical propaganda bs. This was before the epstein file horror stories, ICE, etc. My thing is, with all of his baggage, thats the absolute WORST person youd want as an ambasador....and then came the crypto scam coins.....which also tanked. The problem is that while he was the absolute WORSTS "ambassador" for bitcoin, the circus clowns on these so called youtube channels (SWAN BITCOIN...lookin at YOU!) the reason BTC has no face or abassador is that it was DESIGNED that way as every other centralized entity has failed and is hilariously flawed. The absolute DUMBEST thing a person can do is prop up a political figure...repeatedly as for me, that defeats the purpose of what BTC is and represents. Bitcoin doesnt need a president, it doesnt need a ceo or a representative. Thats one of the most powerful things about Bitcoin. I just hope all the people who joined because of these clowns eventually see Bitcoin for its true value and not think its a scam because many probably do. But even with tho this particular circus is almost over, bitcoin will STILL stand as it always has.

alanm4a2

I have lost faith in bitcoin, not because of the product itself but because most people are actually dumb as rocks. I used to be optimistic but as iv gotten older I am starting to realize how truly dumb most of the population is and how fucked up it is these people can vote. Wish I sold my BTC long ago. Im still way up on my investment but man I rally resent these people.

AggravatingPickle559

Crypto started and failed several bear markets and we've had rebounds to bull markets and champagne 🥂 🍾 at 100k!! BTC IS hard money that you can't F with even if your like Donald Trump. All these tired ass ppl that never believed in BTC and now they are putting their meat hooks in. BTC is bigger than any one entity. Satoshis BTC paper explains why and how. You are your own bank. Nobody can grab your money unless you give them the keys. Of course the government and the bank don't want that. When you have a system that benefits only a certain amount of people, and then another system comes in to play that kind of puts everybody on equal footing, well, of course you're going to have some pushback and purposeful Fuckery with said new monetary system. This is in our first rodeo. By that I mean, if you've been in bitcoin, then you know what I'm talking about. Although remember to be kind to the newbies because I remember my first two bear markets, and even though bitcoin was worth a lot less it took time for me to believe just like with any relationship and trust the process that is bitcoin and how it works. 💎 🙌

Any-Neat5158

You don't deserve to be here when this thing cracks 200K then. I bought in at approx a $7,000 per BTC valuation. I rode that clean up to it's first topping of 65K. I watched it plummet all the way back down to what... around 15K? Likewise I've held it the whole way to 125K, and now back down nearly to 60K. I can tell you this, cracking 200K would be substantially the best performing asset I own, by a looooongshot. I have no crystal ball. We have no promises. CAN this thing go to zero? Sure. Will it? Who knows. All I know is I got in for what amounts to a pretty shitty weekend in vegas and it has the potential to turn into an early and comfortable retirement for me, if not generational wealth. If it went to zero tomorrow, my life goes on. I'd still be in a pretty great spot. You can look at it as I'd have "lost" 100K. But would I have really? What if I sold at 125K and then 14 from now months it hit 175K?

FitCompetition1804

Could be a great move, or you could be left in the dust waiting. That’s the risk you take. If you believe in BTC long term, these current prices are great value.

ThatCuneiformGuy

Not only is your math wrong (you'd be “down” \~31% if that even made sense), but the very fact that the BTC valuation is made in current USD (hence factoring in inflation) moots your entire point. Enjoy your $45k bitcoin, I guess…

BlueM92

BTC CEO sets the price. He's currently running a Black Friday sale.

Independent-Pay-1172

Following the 4y cycle, the bottom in 2026 should be below 40k. The same pattern every 4 years, so even a 30k BTC doesn't mean 'its over for bitcoin'.

Rickard403

Lump summed into BTC and Lighter with in the past hr or so.

Distinct-Category505

This is the best time to buy BTC. You can DCA to avoid missing the bottom.

Sleep_Potential

You mean BTC fell 6% yday

AoideusWasBanned

The part about watching the gains disappear is the real problem imo, more than BTC vs alts. I'd write the exit plan now while you're calm, like selling a chunk at a few price levels and moving a stop up after that. It's how I set take profits in my own strategies, because once you're up a lot nobody thinks clearly 😁

Technorasta

Can you present any justification for BTC to heat up again?

OddPassion4238

\>whatever the future could bring us A future where people need something like BTC? I want to believe you guys, but I have yet to see a solid argument that BTC has an actual future. Most of it seems like a lot of "Trust me bro".