BTC

Lefties_TheWorst7331

And that's why you DCA and hold.. if you hold for a handful of years you're green on BTC.. with ALTs that doesn't always apply. Also, compare market cap of BTC to ALTs.. and you say they're all the same? Interesting..

BuyIndependent2319

I spent at least 20 BTC on drugs back then. Completely stupid. As soon as I bought bitcoin I’d want to spend it because who knew if it would fall in price and my $15 bitcoins could be worth only $14

edmcryptodad

I “invested” $35k, took out $77k, and have $20k left to reinvest. Waiting for BTC to bottom, then try again. 🤞

Internet_is_tough

Don't travel in bear markets lol. I have a cash buffer to last me for a full cycle (4 years). I refill the cash buffer when BTC weekly rsi is above 70. Happens once every year or two years. The cash buffer depletes only if BTC dies for 4 years. Invested portfolio is in btc mstr and bmnr.

OliveLegitimate3236

I have a position whew my APR is paid out in BTC on a daily basis, so the lower it goes the more Sats I get and I pray every night it'll stay cheap for a little longer. Unfortunately the liquidity pool is getting drier and once momentum reverse it'll be over.

Buster_xx

He said s doing n the Epstein list and dillutes investors. His last " sale" didnt even move the market. Just buy BTC, and ignore this pedo

Lefties_TheWorst7331

BTC is the same? By what metrics?

NonVideBunt

BTC is the same, no different. You’ll see eventually. No crying in the casino when it happens.

NonVideBunt

We will see what the long term chart for BTC looks like. Eventually at a macro level it will look like this.

NonVideBunt

Exactly.. crypto is just a casino and a scam, BTC and ETH included.

NonVideBunt

I mean… I wouldn’t exactly call BTC is the best path to wealth. If you got in anytime recently, better options for your money.

Lefties_TheWorst7331

Stop buying ALT coins and stick to BTC. DCA and hodl.

Fearless-Carrot-666

Lol 99% of crypto coins/tokens turned out to be a complete scam. Only people I know who made money after all these years were the ones who bought BTC, Eth, BNB back around 2016 or earlier. Almost all the other "utility" coins were abandoned by the teams or converted to "community" developed when they were ready to exit scam lol.

DifficultSquash1517

I'm an OG since 2016 and Im buying a significantly less amount of BTC this cycle. I do feel that everyone thinks this is easy money and they got it figured out to just try to buy Bitcoin near the lows and wait a couple of years and you're going to print four or five X🤷 Just like how everyone thought they had last cycle figured out where they would rotate into old coins and it wasn't that easy and it got their asses handed to them This time many people are going to stay away from altcoins or their plan is to hold BTC a lot longer and then eventually rotate into altcoins. But the markets have sneaky ways of doing things you don't expect that's why I think that maybe all coins will run without Bitcoin leaving everyone in the dust or Bitcoin will stay flat for yrs etc This cycle I will be averaging in to only about 20% of what I had in the last cycle. I will continue to write calls on my BTC ETFs for 1-2% a month... So even if BTC stays flat for years or even goes down 20 or 30% I'll still break even at worst case scenario because of my call premiums 🤷

packet

You think BTC has no use and ETH is outdated? What in the world are you basing this on? Even btc and eth are highly speculative long term investments and have no place as a primary investment vehicle for retirement. Buy a total market index fund of equities and mix in some crypto (like 5%) if you like but total market index fund is the only correct answer for the base of retirement savings.

MythicMango

Even if you swap for BTC and ETH what would you do with those in retirement? 

cryptofriday

what BTC price was that time???

MF_Price

I was going to buy $100 worth at ~7 cents but it was complicated to buy so I spent the money on weed instead. I did lose 7.5 BTC that I got from a fountain around the same time. Don't fool yourself into thinking you spent millions on bullshit though. What you spent was what the BTC was worth when you spent it, not what it's worth now. That is because any BTC you spent you *could have* replaced buying it at that same price at the time.

cc99v

Only for people who didn’t buy BTC

eazybreeze

How much is BTC up over 10 years tho? And how has the purchasing power of your Dollar been affected in those 10 years?

terribliz

A lot of people have this fantasy where they think they would have held their BTC until now when the reality is they almost certainly would have panic sold during one of the numerous crashes.

Worldly-Ad-1274

I completely hear you guys, and honestly, I don't disagree with the core of what you're saying. Self-sovereignty and holding your own keys is the entire point of Bitcoin. That’s exactly why I am not stopping my weekly spot BTC DCA and my core cold-storage stack is completely untouchable. But MSTR isn't my core savings; it's just a cyclical trading tool for me. Regarding the company 'not standing on its feet much longer,' Saylor recently shifted strategies to focus heavily on liquidity defense—even utilizing small sales of Bitcoin to stack hundreds of millions in pure cash to service debt and dividends. To me, that means they have built a cushion to survive the bad days. If the company fails, my core Bitcoin stack is perfectly safe in my own custody. But if the leverage machine works during the next bull run, I fund some amazing family vacations without having to compromise my sovereign Bitcoin stack!

Worldly-Ad-1274

Great question! It comes down to two things: Corporate Leverage and BTC Yield. When I DCA into spot Bitcoin, I get a pure 1:1 return on my money. But MicroStrategy operates like a Bitcoin acquisition machine on steroids. They issue billions of dollars in low-interest convertible bonds and preferred shares to aggressively buy massive amounts of Bitcoin on the open market. Because they use debt to buy more Bitcoin per share faster than they dilute the stock (a metric they track as 'BTC Yield'), each individual share of MSTR actually represents a growing amount of Bitcoin over time. Historically, this structural corporate leverage means that when Bitcoin goes on a sustained upward run, MSTR's equity value acts like a high-beta proxy, routinely giving 1.5x to 3x the return of spot Bitcoin. Since my MSTR position is purely a 'lifestyle fund' that I plan to cash out during the bull market, I want that amplified upside!

Brrgyy689

If you're looking for the best, Coldcard bar none. The new MK5 looks great. Look up BTC Sessions vid on it. Also consider ways to backup your seed phrase on steel.  I went with a trezor safe 3 to start but wish I just spent double and got a cold card, that being said the safe 3 is super simple and great wallet. As far as exchanges, I love Bull Bitcoin and what they stand for but the spread is higher from what I've seen, 2-2.5%. usually I do my bigger lump sums from Bitcoin well and recurring small daily buys from Shakepay. To reduce taxes, I have no answer. Borrow against it and don't sell when your stack is so large. Buy things in Bitcoin when hopefully more of the world will accept it. For now, we just stack.

revanevan7

MSTR went up 4000% from bottom to top last cycle while bitcoin did 800%. So yes, you could get higher returns with higher volatility with MSTR. Will it happen the same exact way this cycle? No one knows, but there is a chance. Which is why I hold a small MSTR position relative to my BTC position. If it out performs, I plan on rolling it into BTC or using it for life.

Mecanik1337

Thanks! Good luck catching that BTC!

_Stylite

I bought $1-500 of BTC for darknet purchases every year from 2012-2023. I made two purchases from the original silkroad in 2012 with BTC I bought for $20-100 each on Mt Gox. It was like 3-5 BTC spent on an ounce of hashish

Secularnirvana

Because it is that swingingy, like BTC is the most stable and it suffered a 50% drop in 6 months? At 5x leverage a 20% swing against you liquidates you. So yeah it's a viable strategy, and a few guys have made piles doing that. And probably 20-100x more people have gotten completely rekt doing that

bowltar

I've burned more BTC than most modern accumulators will ever see. No, I didn't have the wherewithal to save any of it. Hindsight sure is 20/20 huh?

cryptotouchline

One thing I would say is don't trust anyone who DM you claiming they can recover your BTC. That is one of the scams as well after someone gets their wallet drained. You may try to trace what happened. Did you ever save your phrase anywhere, connect to a sketchy/scammy App, or approve something you weren't sure about? Figuring that out might at least stop it from happening again. If you are planning to report it, this article is actually pretty useful. It goes through where you can report crypto scams, what information to gather, and some of the common tactics scammers use so others don't fall for the same thing: [https://businesscommunity.ai/how-to-avoid-crypto-scams/](https://businesscommunity.ai/how-to-avoid-crypto-scams/) Really hope you're able to get some answers. Losing years of DCA like that is heartbreaking.

Pale-Gear7776

I understand that, which is why I'm not too upset about it. It's just fun thinking of the "what-ifs". Kind of like buying a lottery ticket. At one point in time, I owned assets that grew to be worth $20 million with BTC at all time high. Which is pretty cool/crazy to think about.

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DepressedYoungin

Why use BTC with its transaction fees and very low tps.

Present-Tradition-27

Was in when it was only $7. Had a wallet with 10 BTC worth about $72. Spent it on drugsssss

nugnug90

BTC is investing, crypto is gambling.

dank4us12

Google how to mine BTC in 2026

Unlikely_Diver_5573

u're definitely not the only one. a lot of early BTC got spent on things that seemed insignificant at the time because nobody imagined where the price would end up.....

thesnowman_

I actually use it quite a bit for second hand purchases in Japan. I sell old clothes, kids' sports gear, electronics, and other things on Mercari Japan, convert the Mercari balance to Bitcoin on their exchange, and then use that BTC to buy more stuff. It's a nice circular economy, turn things I no longer need into Bitcoin, then spend that Bitcoin on things I do need when it's up.

Blockchainauditor

I’m intrigued; why do you find WHAT people purchase as interesting as why they use BTC for purchases? Posts to this subreddit are probably not representative of those who choose to transact in BTC as much as possible; usually it is someone who is unfamiliar with BTC that needs to acquire some quickly to transact with a vendor who only accepts BTC or cryptocurrencies for “reasons”.

DV_Zero_One

I wasn't in that early unfortunately, but the obselete desktop PC I have gathering dust in a spare room cost me 7 BTC.

Friendly_Cycle2472

Só gastei meus BTC uma vez na vida. Para dar entrada no meu imóvel. Desde então, só a acumular, toda semana faço meu DCA.

thinkingperson

> I convinced him to let me invest the other ₹5L in crypto. BTC was around $110K, I figured it would keep climbing You conned your dad into believing that you are investing his money when what you did is gamble it away after that. Investing in btc is one thing, what you did is another thing altogether.

T4ZR

Yep. I bought Bitcoin back in the days to buy funny things on on Silk Road and BM. I ended up leaving 26 BTC in a tumbler, planning to use it later, but never got around to it. Eventually I forgot it even existed. More than a decade later I stumbled across that same tumbler again on the dark web, but by then I couldn't remember any of my login credentials. Later that same year the feds shut the service down, and it turned out they had seized an absolutely insane amount of Bitcoin..worth over $600 million at the time. Those 26 BTC are sitting in that pile now lol

nunchyadrup

BTC for sure, as everyone says here, but i also believe in XMR and SOL future

marshallxfogtown

Tons. My last singular purchase on SR was for 616 BTC. Ouch.

blaziken8x

Start by telling them the truth. It doesn't seem like you'll be able pay it off. Unfortunately they lost their money, by investing it with a fucking degenerate gambler Realistically, had you just left it alone for 5 years, BTC will probably be worth more than 110k USD by that point. You're in a gambling mentality, where you're thinking how can I make the money back to break even, this mentality usually puts gamblers in a deeper hole or more debt. Your dad is double fucked, because the money was borrowed, did it come from another family member? They might have to eat the loss as well.

ReloadFilth_AU

Had 37 BTC and spent it on pills from the dark web. Never got the pills. Lost the BTC. 🥲

IllllIIlIllIllllIlll

You didn't spend $20 millions, no. You spent 300 bucks. I'm tired of this line of reasoning. It's like people who brag because they mined 50 BTC in 2010, but threw away the laptop. They didn't throw away 3 millions. They threw away a few cents. They obviously didn't believe in Bitcoin. They could have easily bought back the 50 BTC at any point in the next 4 years, but they didn't.

criminalmadman

Yes. 13 BTC. 13!!!!!!

tenor_tymir

I tried to buy Viagra online with BTC back in the day but gave up eventually because I couldn’t get it up and running. 🤓

Quirky-Reveal-1669

I waited to 2014 to buy my first BTC. And no Silk Road for me.

DRAGULA85

I’m surprised there are whales are in this subreddit, I’m not asking you to disclose But one would assume you’d have 4 digits worth of BTC

trimalcus

If you want to use crypto you have to make concession. Having to bridge from BTC and swap from time to time is a necessary evil in my opinion

tenor_tymir

Can you still trade on MEXC without verification? I have an account but now whatever I do they ask for verification. I guess they have to comply with MICA now. I used to buy BTC all the time without KYC, not possible anymore.

Longjumping-Pop7512

Also many newbies miss it but you will get liquidated with only 12% movement against your bet in most exchanges with 5x. 12% crypto fluctuations is a drop in the ocean even with BTC and ETH. 

jawanda

You can. You wont own the actual crypto, just a contract, but there's nothing stopping you. Go to hyperliquid or such and have at it, buy BTC at 20x leverage. As the other guy said you'll want to pay attention to the Funding rate, but this may prove negligible if your timing is good. People do it all the time.

KitchenPreference287

Easy to say $16k... but would you actually buy if it got there? 😅 I'd be loading up and adding more to my BTC staking position.

KitchenPreference287

Nice! Buying the dips instead of stressing over them is a lot easier once you've been through a few cycles. Just curious, are you staking any of your BTC too, or just stacking and holding?

Miz4r_

I'll take that bet against you. Nothing is guaranteed, but the odds that BTC will reach 180k in the future are very high.

Miz4r_

BTC can be tracked too and it's going to be hard to cash out that much while staying anonymous. I would probably target a privacy coin to hack or something else entirely that's much easier to cash out without raising the alarms causing all systems to upgrade to quantum proof protocols.

JayraldAnderson

Buy BTC

coinluv

I DCA so I've bought bitcoin at every price. I was hoping to see 1 million dollar BTC but now I will be happy with $250k BTC.

bananabastard

If it were successful, it would completely destroy BTC. BTC is still valuable, so no, it wasn't successful and never will be.

Objective_Young_1384

This isn't about a bear market; it's about the behavior of the ENTIRE market (not just BTC or the cryptocurrency market), because, in fact, it's a matter of PRICE behavior.

PeaceAgitated1978

If I had 10k , I'll be borrowing 30k and using the first 10 to pay for the interests for the first 2 years while I got 30k of MSTR growing "for free" during the next 2 years of bull market on BTC.. only, riding the amplifier that is MSTR 🤷🤣 you should all do the same.. even if I ain't have that 10k to pay the interest for what I'll be borrowing. I'll still borrow money for what is responsible and easily repaid since I got used to the minimalist lifestyle and make way more than what I spend so free cashflow to pay interest with .

mattimeoo

Because people who knew of/had BTC at cheap prices suddenly lose the ability to post words in cyber space. It didn't even have a real price for a couple years, people played with it like a toy, sending and receiving and being like "wow, cool, nice, it works."  I got to do that, and I still use the internet.  Every single day actually, very shocking.

KylseS

Would I still have to give them my details to open a wallet or deposit money to buy BTC?

SkyEnvironmental7746

I wouldn’t say Flare will outperform BTC. I would say Flare has more upside potential because of its small market cap. Flare’s current price is $0.006. My average buy price is $0.0093. From constant buying I’m catching up to Flare’s All time low currently. Once FBTC launches on Flare I see Flare hitting $0.15-$0.30 by 2028-2030. Which means I’m a multi-millionaire with Flare alone. and a conservative $0.15-$0.30 is totally possible. Not hopium or delusion like $0.50-$1 dollar. So at $0.0093 I recoup or break even. For every penny Flare moves after that I make $100K+ in profit. All while it’s currently paying me $6K-$7K a year from staking.

Lina-Inverse

more often than not, projects **dump** while BTC isn't doing much.

TheMaharishiEffect

So what's your thesis? Why do you think Flare will out perform BTC? Or is your investment thesis based on number go up hopium?

Blockchainauditor

I have no intention to try to convince you that Bitcoin is close to what it was supposed to be. But your using a financial institution and complaining that the rules of financial institutions make BTC a scam are what concerns me.

Party-Put-280

Understand the 4 year BTC cycles, it will help tailor your expectations to the market.

Brrgyy689

Pay for proton/tutamail from a hot wallet. Secure long term savings on your trezor. Use hodlhodl, or use cash at a non-kyc Bitcoin ATM.  You can also create a new wallet by adding a passphrase to your trezor and using something with coinjoin like wasabi wallet to increase privacy and tracking of your coins. BTC Sessions has good vids on all this

longonbtc

No, Bisq only takes a 0.15% taker fee (if it's paid in BTC) and a 1.15% taker fee (if it's paid in BTC). And each individual bitcoin seller on Bisq also sets their own fee that they charge. Here's the trading fees page on Bisq Wiki: https://bisq.wiki/Trading_fees

Cute_Complaint_850

you're basically paying a fee to have someone else manage your upside in exchange for steady income. during a real bull run those covered calls will cap your gains while you're watching bitcoin do 5x and your fund does 2x. the yield looks great until it doesn't, which is exactly when you want to be holding the most bitcoin. if you want dividends just hold regular BTC and sell when you need cash instead of locking yourself into a structure designed to clip your wings

MAGIGS

I never said anonymous, but I can walk on a plane with access to a million in bitcoin but if I walk on a plane with 10k in cash, I’m gonna get stopped at customs. I’m also not smuggling drugs so my BTC is clean and currently safe. I can’t say the same about transporting that kind of cash around with me.

DiamondHandsDarrell

I would only trust a big exchange. Anyone who is known for little to no customer service, such as PayPal, I would not use ever. Just my BTC 0.000002

Jogi1811

Black Friday sales are on for BTC!

Noob_Pro18

I read on Reddit that Claude AI helps recover BTC. Maybe it will help to give a hint. May try, but don't trust any person who DM's and asks for the phrase. Good luck.

callebbb

How do you know he has a wallet with 1 BTC in it? If you have the wallet, you don’t need the seed. The wallet stores the private keys to move the bitcoin, so you can simply move the Bitcoin wherever you want with the wallet you found.

Useful_Calendar_6274

that money is gone forever. that's how this works. too bad he put so much in BTC with no testament or anything, nothing to be done

Abject-Stretch-1187

Fully capitalized? What are you smoking? There are multiple companies with a bigger marketcap than BTC and two commodities many multiples of BTC yet BTC is fully capitalized? Smh 

satoshi1022

I mean, you can pay with BTC in many places for a wide range of things my dude. It's literally all over the place, above board, and instant. Just because your head is so far up your ass with bad gambling trades, don't act like it doesn't exist. Idk why I'm picking on you but the whole 'scene', these subs, etc are full of 2020+ stock market loser bros and it's a shame.

quintavious_danilo

Now you wait (and buy more on red days). I would suggest switching to BTC though, it’s safer.

HamEggandDips

I joined Stratiphy specifically to buy a BTC ETN within the IFISA. Just so you know, if you ever wanted to transfer funds from an IFISA to another broker, not all companies will accept it. Its something I only just discovered and wish I knew earlier

ov3rw4tch_

Nothing we can do. Anyone who says otherwise is a scammer. Just continue navigating life as if that BTC will never be accessible cause it’s not.

Logical_driver_42

BTC was way cheaper back then and people bought and sold drugs with it all the time in 2015-2020 range he could’ve had way more BTC at way cheaper

Mocha2055

Do not share the password with anyone, I. Sure this has been said million time i havent read the responses. Id some how you can find a way to get by you shoukd not cash that in. 3 years halving thats gonna be worth about 200k. Do yourself a favor go back amd look at BTC chart and educate yourself upon crypto in general but more importantly look at the 4 year cycle. And whatever you do dont venture I to alt coins

PeaceAgitated1978

Actually smart money would not think that comment is a smart one 🤔🤣🤷 the reals Rich's.. they don't pay taxes on cap Gains. Why should they? 🤣 On gold for centuries.. now on BTC. The asset, when it is really one and a hard one. A value refuge against debasement of currencies. And inflation at all.. That asset, he never need to be sold. There's a class of assets that the Rich's are using to never sell. And therefore declare capital gains taxes.. choose that one. Generational wealth is built on it and nothing else in the long run stay in their portfolio. But yeah.. let's assume you ain't rich yet and still need some cash to spend at the very moment RN. It exists many ways to hop around to not sell yours assets and still get that cash RN. And spoilers, both of the 2 most common involve intelligent debt as a tool. Since debt money is never taxed. And will never be. Write me in DM if you really want to talk about it and learn. But anyways, no need to DM I'm sure most of you all can figure it out by yourself.

thelonghand

How are we valuing BTC? Everyone in here is using fiat USD as their metric. 1 BTC = 1 BTC I don’t get why people worry about what it’s priced at in fiat when widespread adoption is inevitable.

quintavious_danilo

Wtf? BTC is an electronic cash system. It has taught me absolutely nothing.

el_rico_pavo_real

lol Nothing easy about having your net worth in BTC long term. Take it from me. BUT IM STILL STACKING BABY! RIDE THE LIGHTNING

gordonfr_

Could have been rich several times now but prefers holding BTC instead. Peak usage of AI by the way.

jstsomedev

While in the same breath talking about the reliability of BTC cycles lol

injectionsiteredness

I started buying the PayPal app, but once I realized fees were lower on most exchanges like River I switched over quickly. For me it was just a gateway for me to get comfortable buying. I keep my BTC in cold storage.

Distinct-Piglet1210

Not for certain but I doubt someone with an addiction, I imagine drugs, would be able to not have sold the BTC to cover his addiction.

ShittingOutPosts

Don’t let a theoretical concept scare you. Plus, if quantum computing is achieved one day at the level needed to break BTC, you’ll have much greater problems to worry about.

_LakeCity_

Check the lifetime price chart of any Altcoin that's at least five years old on its BTC ratio. That'll give you your answer - it's Bitcoin and Bitcoin only.

BestialitySurprise

You can have even more BTC if you sell the obvious highs.

notasmilo

Me and my Claude subscription Btw previously , after such videos (events), BTC would pump like crazy