BTC

Lehcen

I’ve been into BTC since 2017. Made my fair share of fucks up ie trading it. Still hold a decent amount. But I’m at the point of getting tired of volatility and my getting older. Si I decided to diversify. I sold some and invested in index funds. And plan to sell more next bull market and just hold a bit. Have you thought of anything like this?

LiquiditySlushy

Most metrics are bullish from what I can gather on CryptoQuant. I will guess that we are soon headed for another leg up from the last rally. I do not think price will go under $76,000 first. I think it will pass $83,000 first. One metric that is bearish is whale activity in the short term. With that said whale holders with at least 100 BTC in their wallet are more bullish. Wallets with less than 100 BTC are bearish. That is my knowledge.

UKcoin2

Easy because you made large gains in a short time, it's easy to hold onto the best investment of your life. I'm not sure why people find it so hard to understand, many of us knew the potential of Bitcoin was unlimited. You could cash out 1% and either get your money back or already have a nice profit, the rest is free to ride. I went all in start of 2013 and currently have more BTC than I started with, along with having cashed out 1000x what I put in.

xGsGt

I feel like in 10years we will have a real challenge with chancing how much BTC is given for mining and the limit of 21m btc

KanedaSyndrome

You reveal that you're new to investing. Experienced investors don't get that fear you describe. Think of the asset instead of it's FIAT value. Think in shares, think i BTC, not in USD.

iLikeTurtuls

I think the worst is when they don’t trust BTC but trust stocks, as if they don’t have the same manipulation happening to them

nedkrastev

Now sell your BTC to buy SpaceX. then repeat ∞ infinite money glitch

Icy_Box_7224

This is not possible because eventually even exchange BTC gets dusted with cootie SATS.

KwakuDagati

I got 1 BTC in 2015 when its was under 400 USD and then forgot my wallet password until recently when i recovered it but im glad i couldn’t figure out the password back then because i know i would have sold in 2017 😅

tenor_tymir

BTC always comes back, that give some peace of mind. I enjoy pullbacks as much as I enjoy rallies. Sometimes I buy more, sometimes I buy less, but I won’t stop buying overall.

jeffdeansalem

Strategy can issue more shares when MSTR is trading at a premium to the value of its BTC holdings, basically when it’s above mNAV. When BTC goes up, MSTR’s trading volume usually increases as well. Strategy can use that liquidity to tap its at-the-market (ATM) offering and issue shares based on the trading activity that day. For example, over the last two weeks, MSTR issued around 15 million shares into the market at the prevailing prices. That’s only a fraction of the total trading volume, so the additional shares were easily absorbed without moving the price much and shouldn’t have a meaningful impact on the market price. The important part is that they can really take advantage of this when MSTR is trading above mNAV **and** there’s high trading volume. And that typically happens when BTC is rallying. So the higher BTC goes → the more MSTR volume/liquidity → the more efficiently Strategy can raise capital through the ATM.

PirateLiver

Yeah I did my best to spend and use the coin as much as I could. Bitcoin has always just been incredible to me. I had a rug I bought for like 0.2 BTC (it's now been trashed). I have a framed art print I bought for 0.25 BTC (still have that, it's worth like $2k). Used some on newegg for some computer parts. Traded plenty for other cryptos along the way, some winners and some losers.

RunItupBaby

After all these years mining, I finally started working in my BTC bag 😎🍻

magicseadog

My partner had an ungodly amount because she dated a guy who was broke and accepted BTC as payment at his cafe. He was broke and so would pay her with the BTC when he didn't have cash. She still has a bit but sold most long ago. She said to me once why didn't I just hold it? To which my response was unless you forgot about it or lost it you never could have. You would need to be a red pilled, diamond hands psycho there is no way you could have the conviction to hold from 150 bucks to 100 000. It's impossible.

Usual_Suspect8663

You guys really don’t get it do you? MSTR share price increases by over 50% in that time frame, BTC increases by 20%, they ATM the shares at the 50% so they actually get a discount on the BTC then if they had bought at 60k. Like it’s basic math and is better for BTC per share

Hidden_Strikez469

I'd look for something open source, well established, and preferably Bitcoin-only if BTC is all you're storing. Trezor, Jade, BitBox, and Passport are worth researching, but the way you protect your seed phrase matters just as much as which hardware wallet you buy.

ama9910

I first bought in 2011 for $8. But only a small amount as it was just for an online game that accepted BTC. Told myself I’ll only sell if I need the money. Sold some in 2023, but still have most of it.

ximogui

They buy when their mNAV expands. Their mNAV hit 1.1 last week (highest level in 2 months) so BTC purchases were accretive. They also bought back STRC however so their overall BTC per share fell slightly.

Agitated_Medium5844

Everything crypto is a money grab hence the declining prices. That said, declining prices are default for BTC. But you notice the up move happened over just 3 days. There was 8 months of steady decline, then it was all erased in just 3 days. You see the same thing in all markets, it is a market that tries to make as many people wrong as possible. Rewards patience and a long term view. There is nothing long term about crypto though. Crypto (not BTC) is a funding transfer mechanism from retail to insiders and hedge funds. It is theft. Don’t pay the cabal

MarloChrisSnoop

Yea I’m so torn.. wanna derisk 1/3 of my BTC to Fidelity just in case but something a part of me feels weird giving my keys away.

Plane_Reference8896

Trump is buying huge reserves of oil from Venezuela. Isn't their main currency there, BTC?? SOMETHING'S GOING ON HERE.

Medical-Junket1576

Strategy had to defend STRC which forced them to pivot, once STRC is back to par and maintains it they can resume big purchases of BTC or pay down convertible debt

DontLook_Weirdo

BTC will be fine with or without saylor. It's cool that he's involved but he doesn't direct or navigate this boat

wiki_wiki_pedia

Lightning works great for transactions. Check BTC maps, plenty of businesses are starting to adopt it

Billkr

BTC Pay is fairly easy server to set up. Luna node is where I host my BTCPay server. I provide BTC and lightning payments for a few merchants in my local area with it as well as my own web store.

ajburch92

I'm going by the dream that BTC keeps rising rather than cycling like it has been. Those who use it early end up with nothing. If it keeps cycling, then using it as a long term store of value doesn't make sense either. So I guess short-term trading is how most people interact with crypto?

ReplacementBig7068

BTC mascot 🫡

Reasonable_Band1536

Selling FIAT to purchase BTC

_RonPaulWasRight_

This is a HUGE misconception. A signed transaction on BTC has a digital signature, which is only valid if it is hashed through the algorithm SHA-256. So, there is ZERO danger of a replay attack with your Blake Coins, if you move your BTC, because Blake Coin uses a different hashing algorithm, so any digital signature on BTC can't be put into a Blake Coin block. HOWEVER. There could be a replay attack on the BIP 110 chain, prior to the PoW change. Remember - there are 2 separate cryptocurrencies created here - the BIP 110 prior to PoW, and the Blake Coin which is the coin created from the PoW change (and the lower block size, etc.). The former could have replay attacks, the latter cannot.

read_more_comments

That, plus feeling bad is universal for any investment. BTC was extra painful before because no one knew if it would last. It's actually quite easy to hold now because "BTC is going to zero!" Isn't really as much if a potential issue as before. Back then we didn't have tax laws, government and business buy in, we didn't have ETFs, it wasn't established and known entity as current.

TheMoonMoth

6,403 BTC getting locked up. Granted this was locked up just a few months ago too. Coming home feels nice

2goodstudydaydayup

**I agree. A 5–10% move isn’t much for Bitcoin, and it’s basically nothing compared with altcoins. But I think the market has changed dramatically over the past 1–2 years. Quantitative trading and automated strategies seem to have taken over a much larger part of the market, making price action much harder to trade.** **What’s interesting is that a 5–10% move in BTC doesn’t seem to happen as frequently as it used to. When it does happen, it can take quite a while to develop. The market feels much more compressed and efficient than it was a few years ago.**

No_Champion2428

Because alts have a chance of dying, BTC less so

_blockchainlife

I don't get why the government doesn't make some huge BTC announcements, pump the price to $1B per coin or whatever, sell and pay off the debt, then rug pull the world.

azjerrylee

Dumb question, theoretically would the yield be better if they deployed those funds when BTC had a lower price point?

2goodstudydaydayup

**A 3.86% drawdown on a long-term BTC position isn’t really a reason to panic sell. If your thesis hasn’t changed, volatility is part of the game. The bigger question is whether you can handle another 20–30% drawdown without being forced to sell. If $243 is money you don’t need, I’d focus less on the current PnL and more on the time horizon.**

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21Moto

Saylor sold some BTC yes but this post makes it seem like he sold the whole position. Seems disingenuous.

omg_its_dan

Meaningless cherry picking. The company has accumulated 800k+ BTC. They are not trying to time their buys/sells so of course some individual transactions will not be optimal. Long term this changes nothing.

mikkeltaylor1

The tops are temporary the BTC is permanent (mostly)

hoppeeness

At some point utility chains are going to separate from BTC…we have more tailwind than ever to have that happen now. Casino is slowly fading away

OverAd6050

Can you people that are saying buy high sell low stop and look at all the purchases that have been done. The BTC recently sold doesn't even come close to the first buy for Strategy which was 21,454 BTC with an avg of $11,652. So selling at an average of $62k means they've made a ton of money on the very first purchase and they still have over 15k BTC left from that purchase after these sells, think people

chente08

became a legend for the amount of BTC he bought, not for his earnings lmao

wiki_wiki_pedia

The actual fork doesn't happen till October, right now the "alpha" fork has happened, which is basically a testnet. "Steal" is a weird word. Paul is making a new blockchain which copies everybody's transactions, including satoshis. Half of those Satoshi coins go into a dev fund used for security bounties etc. Satoshi keeps all his original main chain BTC plus half of the BTC on this new chain. If the fork is successful? Satoshi has his original main chain BTC plus 50% of that on the new chain. If the fork isn't successful? It doesn't mater, the coins are meaningless, satoshi still keeps the original stash of BTC. I'd personally like to see this fork go down via miner signaling instead. I don't like the reduction in block size (4MB to 4KB). That said, I DO agree with the drivechain concept and think it deserves more exploration, discussion, and eventually implementation. But it hasn't gotten half of what BIP110 got.

schmelf

They’re method for funding themselves lends itself to this. When BTC appreciates, their mNAV expands and they can sell MSTR shares for Bitcoin. Think of it like this, if BTC runs and their mNAV goes from 1x to 1.5X, that means they before the move one dollar is MSTR stock sold would buy $1 of BTC. When it’s 1.5X they can sell $1 of MSTR stock and buy $1.5 of Bitcoin. So they are in a position where they will usually buy high because the premium usually expands as price rises and contracts as prices fall.

Lavayo

And yet they bought around 20.4x times as much BTC YTD than in the entire bear market year of 22.

redbloodedruski

BTC is definitely going to 20k soon lol such pathetic slop

Special-Prior-7272

He tried to explain this on a recent podcast (Diary of a CEO). Long story short he believed that institutional investors were betting that MSTR’s leveraged ETF could not withstand sustained downwards selling pressure. That confidence, liquidity, and credit would collapse if MSTR sold any BTC. They bet that once BTC traded under a certain ratio, it would force a BTC sale which would collapse MSTR’s ETF and likely the company. So they were shorting the shit out of BTC and MSTR. Saylor reasoned it would better to go on the offensive, sell some BTC, and prove that the ETF (and bonds) would be fine. Arguably, it worked.

Scary_Caterpillar226

It seems that we as Hodl’ers are hoping the “low supply” creates enough “demand” to increase value and raise the price. It’s my opinion that BTC needs more channels to increase demand, other than capped supply, to really to see BTC grow. Just my .02

rgnet1

When what's green and what's red? The 24h bitcoin price? Your personal stack? You sell all of it or some of it? After taxes for each sale, you've tracked that you have a higher net worth than if you had just held? Saylor has 33% more BTC in the treasury than he did this time last year. Can you say the same?

daily-trader-365

If BTC is a Million a coin, Very little

rgnet1

Yes, massively. Because in actual dollars, he's taking a miniscule realized loss against massive accumulation and unrealized gain. And given that his conviction is BTC will always be the safest long-term bet, unrealized gain is the only thing to care about. Dumb retail that hyuk-hyuks at this thinks Saylor is playing badly at timing the market. He has absolutely no cares at all about timing the market. He uses other people's money to acquire as much btc as possible. By selling a tiny portion at a realized loss he was able to get more people's money to buy more btc.

Billkr

Does not stop it from being 'tainted' by an exchange. I don't worry about such things as everything goes through the lightning network and ends up on one of my lightning nodes. From there the get transfered to BTC in my hardware wallet.

Careless_Loss_2507

Low LTV is definitely the key. For leverage though, I’d rather leave the BTC stack untouched and use something like Moon where the wager is the max loss

eiretaco

Consensus is that BTC is very very valuable. Just a tiny fraction of those 21 million coins and my life would be sorted.

ir88ed

I love the idea of BTC-backed loans, and this approach can be tax-efficient. But with a typical 50% LTV, if you have $1M in BTC and took a loan against half, the lender only gives $250K. At 12.9% APR, that’s over $32K/year in interest. Also BTC is volatile so borrowing at 50% LTV doesn’t leave much room before margin calls or liquidation. I still prefer the "buy&hold, sell when money is needed" approach.

eiretaco

Consjdering as of right now people value it at just shy of 80k a coin, id say BTC has that certain level of demand

TheShurgeon

It’s looking for another option for HodlHodl because in this summer have ocurred many things in universe BTC. But the alternative to HodlHodl (Peach) has failed first.

Nossa30

At 0.78 BTC per block, only about 100 BTC will be mined per day. In theory, by then price will exponentially accelerate. Having 1 BTC would be insane if only 100 could be mined per day. If you can stick it out for 1 more halving AFTER that, then only 50 BTC per day. You can guess where the price goes when only 50 BTC enters the market per day.

Commercial_Pea1194

If you just want leveraged BTC exposure, Moon is an option to look at. It’s not a stock or ETF though, you’re wagering up or down on BTC

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Romanizer

Interest would be lower and a with 1 million BTC in the reserve, they could already match the debt at $50 million / BTC. After the 20 years they are able to sell 10%, which would be repayment of $500 billion per year.

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oxxoMind

Nah, you just didnt understand how it works. The reason why they seem to buy at the top is because thats the time they can raise capital. When BTC rallies, MSTR's volume tend to go higher thus they can raise capital by ATM offering of the common share which they use to buy BTC, add to their reserve or repurchase perpetual stocks.

oxxoMind

Someone didn't understand why this is happening. Saylor and Strategy team are no fools. The reason why they seem to buy at the top is because thats the time they can raise capital. When BTC rallies, MSTR's volume tend to go higher thus they can raise capital by ATM offering of the common share which they use to buy BTC, add to their reserve or repurchase perpetual stocks.

Scary_Caterpillar226

BTC is capped at 21M and I understand the concept of scarcity. Over 20M of the 21M are in circulation with the remaining to be mined by year 2140. With 20M in circulation and none of us being alive in 2140, shouldn’t the current price reflect the “scarcity” and BTC’s value be much higher? We keep talking about the fact there is only 21M but we are close to that number now and it doesn’t seem to be a factor. Maybe I’m not understanding something?

thepickletony

Crypto is definitely more than 5% for me, but I’d never want it to be basically my whole net worth either. I only hold BTC and ETH. Once the number got meaningful I also stopped being comfortable leaving it on exchanges. Most of mine just sits in Tangem now and I keep the stuff I’m trading separate.

lobhater

I'm pretty naive but it's my understanding that all transactions on BTC's block chain are now seperate and not copied on luke's blockchain. So wouldn't 1 transfer on the BTC block chain confirmed to a good depth completely break any link between the two chains? This is just a thought exercise. Luke's chain is going to be near worthless I would wager and I'll never touch it. But just curious. Though I do really like the idea of making the transaction large so as not even being valid on the new chain. I think I'm going to do that for peace of mind and as a fuck you to them. I'm happily going to pay extra transaction fees to ensure it gets mined. Plus I haven't fired up sparrow for a long time so it'll be fun to dust it off

rgnet1

Same uninformed comments over and over. "Buy high, sell low, hyuk hyuk." Maybe just take two seconds to study something before you speak. Every single buy is right here: [https://www.strategy.com/ledger](https://www.strategy.com/ledger) Strategy's **bought over 175,000 BTC in 2026** and sold less than 9,000 BTC. The spread price of that is irrelevant. The sales were to prove Strategy won't default on its dividend-paying stock and will liquidate the minimum. Those tiny sales were an amazing move to change investor sentiment entirely. After the sales, STRC almost rocketed back to $100 par and I'm sure it contributes to bitcoin's price recovery, even if all the Treasury bond shenanigans are getting most of the credit.

Bahog_veesong

40k would definitely test the conviction, but that’s usually when the real believers start paying attention. And with more BTC utility being built, there’s more to watch than price alone.

Bahog_veesong

and the fact that people keep finding new ways to use it makes it even harder to count out. TBVs could unlock even more utility for BTC...

JellyfishStill2690

So true. These kids must be very new to BTC.

Savings-Leading4618

10 years ago, the subsidy was a pat in the back. And now the subsidy is 200k dollars. You pay bills with dollars. As long as the dollar price goes up, it will be fine. People like to not tall about dollars like it does not matter the BTC / USD price, but it does.

Bahog_veesong

some things adapt enough to outlive the narrative around them. BTC has already done that, and its growing utility could keep pushing it forward.

stheodore1974

I expect to be able to loan my BTC and get paid interest within a few years as it continues to mature. I hope to get passive income like that in time.

NewspaperOwn2765

I plan on using my money , yes. The concept of money is also an illusion. True wealth cannot be represented 1 to 1 with a piece of metal or a digital ledger. I think thats where a lot of bitcoiners go wrong , they really believe money is wealth ( it’s not , it’s a social construction that we are all playing with right now ). Without other people , there is no value . So yeah if my BTC maxi dreams come true Im going to put money into good stuff like green energy ⚡️ agriculture 👨‍🌾, art 🎸, and healthcare 🏥 Every maxi worth their satoshis should be investing in a better world because they and their kin or loved ones are going to have to live in the world.

MonitorWaste2127

Recommend the friend you don’t like to buy BTC.

Any_Carob3372

Charge 1/100th of a BTC per lay, and soon you will be a winner in all the categories

read_more_comments

He isn't. Price doesn't have to go up. Miners will stop as it becomes unprofitable. Now remaining miners get a little bit more of the proceeds in btc. Price of BTC doesn't have to increase.

HSuke

https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2026/08/31/strategy-returns-to-bitcoin-buys-adding-usd370-million-worth-last-week He sold MSTR to buy BTC and buyback STRC

sylsau

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tidder_mac

100% he’s a POS grifter and I low key hope BTC crashes so his company has to liquidate more. But holy fuck I love these videos they’re hilarious

opossum_cz

\> Additionally, the price of BTC must be high enough for miners to remain profitable. But this doesn't hold. The difficulty must be lower enough for minders to mine, price is irrelevant. You confuse what is cause and what is effect.

Tandittor

This is so silly, but also hilarious. I'll like to see the version when BTC dips 15% in the near future lol

lestairwellwit

Dear Mr. Saylor, Please stop with this AI... uh... stuff. It may be meant as entertainment, but it's looking like the same stuff coming out of The White House, the very same people that BTC is meant to protect us from.

HUT2Moon

Saylor is insane and not good at business. But his one bet has paid off — BTC has mostly gone up. He made it mostly with other people’s money. Reminds me a lot of Trump — terrible person, terrible businessman. But made one good bet over and over and everyone thinks he’s a genius (or did, at least). (For Trump it was NYC real estate).

Efficient_Range1156

It will make chads with BTC0.78125 feel incredible.

opossum_cz

\> Additionally, the price of BTC must be high enough for miners to remain profitable. What requires this?

Crankllp

Why would you trust him the whole point of his business model was that he could squeeze extra BTC from his trading strategy and it’s a failure. He sells low buys high. MSTR should never trade at a premium to its BTC holdings and possibly should trade at a negative to its holdings based on his performance

K_oSTheKunt

Supply and demand indicates that a lower supply, assuming demand doesn't change, begs a higher price. Additionally, the price of BTC must be high enough for miners to remain profitable. Thus, smaller rewards + higher mining difficulty (high cost of production) likely = higher price. Of course, who knows what the future holds.

chingysmeesez

I see Bitcoin replacing the need to trust monetary gatekeepers, not replacing every currency overnight. People can still price things however they want, but BTC gives anyone the option to hold and transfer scarce money without permission. If adoption keeps growing organically, the unit of account part can come later. To me, having that choice is already a huge win.

Dangerous_Sky6868

Take the 200 BTC. Immediately sell 150 of them.

Mindless_Bicycle5091

lol.. I just checked and they now bought back all the BTC they sold at lows for the higher prices now... good job michael.

Derek6785

Haha, then you’d better go buy one soon too; otherwise, you won’t be in charge of the household finances anymore 😂 But honestly, having a girlfriend who has one BTC means she’s pretty good at picking people—your eye for choosing someone is good too 😄

Freeloader_

I never got any BTC out of any fork never understood why

Justin7746

BTC has been adjusting steadily and hasn’t broken through the 78,500 resistance.

oyeanmols

Exactly, that’s the frustrating part. These apps make buying BTC easy but actually paying someone with it becomes a whole different process, especially once KYC kicks in. For a business, I’d rather use a proper gateway like Inxy that handles checkout and payouts without forcing everything through a consumer exchange.

veskald

The per-asset table is the most interesting thing here, but careful with it: 94 trades across 10 coins is about 9 trades each. LINK at 71% and BTC at 20% is exactly what pure noise looks like at that sample size. If you cut the losers and keep the winners now, you will have fitted the portfolio to three months of noise, and the next three months will hand you a different top three. On the give back pattern - 76% of losing trades were green at some point is not automatically a bug. With a trailing stop that is normal: the same mechanism that gives back profit on losers is what lets winners run. The question is not "how do i stop giving back", its "what does the MFE distribution look like on winners vs losers". If losers reach the same max favourable excursion as winners before dying, no exit rule can separate them, because at the moment of decision they look identical. Thats a signal problem, not an exit problem, and it would explain why every exit change you tried made things worse or barely moved.

Lefties_TheWorst7331

I actually dont even buy MSTR.. I have like a whopping 2 shares. I do buy BTC itself, though. As well as IBIT, and BTCI. However, not MSTR. That doesn't change the mechanics behind the dilution workings of MSTR, though. MSTR *has* to be diluted or they're leaving money on the table..