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HelpRespawnedAsDee

In case you lose your job. In case the interest rate cannot beat BTC gains. If you are lucky then you pay it off gains alone, but this is essentially like using your CC to start a business: a risky move that only works for 1/1M people who try it.

Rydog_78

First rule about Bitcoin is don’t talk about how much BTC you own.

BacchusAndHamsa

No problem, you'll soon get a 2nd chance as BTC is becoming dirt cheap again

369__NTesla

I like it . You did t loose anything you still have BTC. Fuck the fiat price .

NewestNumber2

So YOU’RE the one who ruined the trend. Anxiously awaiting BTC’s full slide, then someone goes and buys near the top. Everyone else sell now!

Alarming_Vanilla_439

At what point does Satoshi just rug pull BTC and the economy crashes and this entire generation begins to think that investing is a scam and there is no true way to wealth anymore so they resort to living a miserable life at a job they hate and live a life with no growth or trajectory towards improvement so they become addicted to social media to satisfy their short term dopamine rush as they inhale cotton candy blueberry crush vapes and eat over processed artificial flavored food with enough seed oils to lubricate the car they will never own because now they can’t afford one or need one because robots deliver their food to their 500sqft studio box apartment above the local clanker service store where they work on clankers that deliver goods to useless humans that are to broke, fat and lazy to leave their homes to get goods they need to survive even though they don’t have to worry about a family because woman now hate men and men are too feminine to take interest in woman but both genders never leave the house to socialize with one another because they’re to addicted to the devices that provide useless doom scrolling information that is now developed by ai and we forget what we saw after we continue to scroll and waste our lives away to eventually become extinct and open a gateway for our civilization to turn to ai robots fighting amongst themselves to take over the world using intelligent we provided them as we starting with identifying pictures of dogs from cats to now enough power to wipe out entire nations electric grids as we were so stupid to worry about electric cars and how much power we needed to charge all of them while still not accelerating global warming where we eventually melt Antarctica but it doesn’t matter by then because everyone is locked up in their homes brainwashed by ai content being created to cater to their interests making them progressively dumber and lazier until robots blow up the world. Or BTC hits 250k

azauca

You need to use a cold wallet to safely manage your bitcoin. Get a coldcard. Here is the vidrio on how to set it up from BTC Sessions.  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FAYmE5-40PQ

DBRiMatt

I've been doing this sort of thing for a while, I call it "Dynamic DCA". I have my upper threshold, which for this next cycle/halving is 80k, When I get paid, and the prices are above 80k, I'll just throw money into Stablecoin. And similar concept, if it's 78k, I might by $100 worth, but if it's 75k I'll buy $200 worth. End of the day, I expect BTC to get over 120k again at some point, but I'll like to capitalize on the percentage gain.

brkinard

So ETH is done this cycle....topped at $5K.....two months ahead of BTC....right at its 2021 highs. That's what you guys think? ETH ain't done yet, not by a fcking long shot. On your left

Bongressman

Because this has never mattered. Not once since Bitcoin's inception. Almost 20 years ago. Bitcoin always drops 50% from the high, in the first quarter of a midterm year. And look, its already down 40% and headed lower, right on schedule. Midterm elections years are always bear years, with the lows coming in around the end of summer or sometime in the 4th quarter. The high hits in the post halving year, the midterm year is a bear year. And look , the high hit in the post halving year, 4th quarter, like clockwork. Now BTC is approaching the 200 WMA, which is low 60s, like clockwork... again. Midterm election years don't matter to BTC. If gold and silver can lost 15 trillion in MC in less than a week, no kne gives a shit about Bitcoin at the institutional level. Not until next year. Buckle up.

esiob12

I think the number of people who will DCA 80% of their paycheck into BTC in 2026 is going to 10x 2021.

Wild-Cup7515

Buying under 100k isn't risk free though. MSTR company acts like a convertible bond to give investors exposure to btc volatility. Saylor and mstr collectively own less than 2.5% of BTC supply. It's big yes but it wouldn't be radical to think of a situation where BTC hits 40k. Not to mention Trust in crypto lowering after Trump came into presidency and I don't say that because the price is down or it has volatile swings.

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OkSeries5363

I see the issue. ​You are still describing a hedge fund, a speculator but we are talking about market makers, the plumbing. Those are two completely different business models with different rules. BlackRock is the Sponsor. They created the ETF. They are legally forbidden from being the AP for their own fund because that would be a massive conflict of interest. When you sell your ETF shares you arent selling them back to BlackRock. You are selling them on an exchange. The AP takes that share to blackrock and says I dont want this. Give me the underlying Bitcoin. BlackRock cancels the share and hands the AP the Bitcoin. Now the AP has Bitcoin but they need their cash back to keep their business running. So they sell that Bitcoin on the open market immediately. If this happened slowly the ETF would fail to track the underlying.  ​'Holding for a few hours to avoid losses' That is objectively false. Read the risk factors in the official IBIT Prospectus. Blackrock explicitly warns that the ETFs value relies on APs being able to liquidate Bitcoin quickly to maintain the link between the share price and the BTC price. If an AP waits a few hours to see if they can make a gain they are violating their mandate to keep the ETF price tracked to the underlying. They are failing at their one job. Providing liquidity. Its also a misunderstanding of institutional risk. APs like JPMorgan or Jane Street operate under strict VaR limits. If an AP receives $100 million dollars in BTC and waits a few hours to see if the price goes up they are taking an unhedged directional bet with the banks own capital. Risk departments dont allow wait and see they require delta neutrality. They sell or hedge instantly because their profit comes from the arbitrage spread not the price move. In high finance learning to fly with the firms liquidity is a firing offense.    ​'They choose the price' Bitcoin is a global commodity. If an AP tries to sell $100M of BTC above the market price at their own prerogative, nobody will buy it. They sell into the global spot market at the prevailing bid because they need to settle the cash side of the trade immediately. They dont choose the price any more than you choose the price of a stock when you hit the market sell button. ​The cash loop issue This is the part you arent understanding. If the AP doesnt sell the Bitcoin where do they get the cash to pay the next thousand retail investors who want to sell? Thats their whole job. When retail sells the ETF the AP uses their own cash to buy those shares. They then hand those shares to Blackrock to get the Bitcoin. At this point the AP is out of cash and long Bitcoin. To stay in business they must sell that Bitcoin to get their cash back so they can facilitate the next trade. If they dont sell the Bitcoin they are just sitting there with a drained bank account and a pile of crypto. They are a bank not a holder.  Your missing the clearest evidence we have! How in sync the APs keep the price. The fact that iBIT maintains such a tight tracking error to its NAV is proof that the arbitrage mechanism is working exactly as intended. APs arent holding for a better exit they are executing high speed delta neutral arbitrage. Their objective is to capture the spread while minimizing exposure to the underlying assets volatility. If they waited for a better price as you suggest the ETF share price would decouple from the Bitcoin price creating a massive discount or premium. The near perfect tracking we see is the result of APs clearing their inventory immediately to recoup liquidity and eliminate price risk. ​You are arguing about what a speculator could do if they wanted to gamble, Im simply explaining what a liquidity provider must do to remain an AP. If they dont sell the underlying they arent an AP anymore they are just a very unhedged hedge fund.

PirateSKB

lol that's true, and its not just BTC and Eth either, ALOT of cryptos killed it and made people quite rich over time ironically

ATRenko

The first time I ever saw a BTC price it was at 70k. Anything below that is a dream and 10k would really make up for living under a rock.

Numerous_Ruin_4947

ETH was 50 cents in 2015, and just about $5k a fee months ago. BTC was 6 cents in 2010, and went up to $126k. Way more crazy than gold. The dollar is a shitcoin.

MacaroonOk9376

swapping all my shitcoins for dat sweet BTC rn king (or queen)

PlentyMath7

1. Very low interest- crypto used to be the shiny object to chase that returned 5-10x at least, but market has moved onto stocks, AI and metals. Why chase losses in crypto when everything else is in the green? 2. Poor regulatory clarity- allegedly there is lots of interest in crypto from institutions but they are hesitant to invest in it without the passing of the Clarity Act. 3. Use case- there still isn't a very clear use case for crypto, outside of sending money. Sending money is important but a token is never gonna go up if people just send it and immediately sell. BTC continues to plummet amidst every market environment, tariffs on/off, wars starting/ending, gov't shutdown or running, etc. BTC was marketed as a hedge against inflation and gov't problems, but it has failed recently at both. If it cannot sustain itself in those times, why are people buying it? Making matters worse is the fact that there are more attractive trades out there- gold and silver have skyrocketed, AI trades, even just holding the SP500 is doing great. 4. Too many projects- too many memecoins and other random projects that are for shills and grifters. Liquidity is spread super super thin as people chase massive returns quickly. 5. Massive whale selling is contributing to falling price action as well. Tons of OG investors are liquidating, and why wouldn't they? A lot of them bought below $1k, and even at today's price, it's still a 70x.

joeyy_4d

Some countries adopted btc as a national currency, like El Salvador. Countries that don’t have a stable currency like the US Dollar, have high use case for BTC as their main currency for store of value. Like gold in digital form

Gold-Penalty5863

He was likely referring to BTC's immediate pre-halving price of approx $65K and its peak post halving price of $125K. Looks a little shy of 100% gain based on eyeballing those 2 numbers.

Few-Being3764

The answer is both. I've got a little gold and a little silver, but over the next years as they presumably cool off after this huge run I'll buy the hell out of the dip. I've spent plenty of time buying BTC dip, and I still have a DCA going for the foreseeable future, but once BTC takes off and metals are cheaper, I'll adjust my strategy accordingly. The best buy generally isn't the thing everyone is talking about right now. Buy when its boring (so long as the fundamentals are there and you have a ling enough time horizon)

cherrypoplar

He's obviously trying (and failing) to stop BTC from falling, and probably using up his so-called cash reserve in the process. Hasn't helped MSTR prices though.

No_South_9912

I sold some BTC to buy silver. IMHO Silver has better potential after the 30% selloff, and will never go to zero. It has industrial value if nothing else.

The_Bitcoin_Act

Try BTCPay Server, NOWPayments, SBP or Blink! SBP is my favorite! All these use APIs for live BTC pricing in invoices. Set a 10-15 min expiration window to lock rates. Aim for Lightning wherever possible. Expect 2-5% refund rate, at your volume, that’s manageable without profit erosion.

No-Masterpiece2246

>Its very true an AP isnt obligated to sell BTC just like Im not obligated to open my parachute after jumping out of a plane. Which is a terrible analogy, because by simply holding the Bitcoin for as little as a few hours they can avoid losses or even make a large gain. Unless you think you can learn to fly in the time you jumped out of the plane, that is. >Hold it become and long speculator and get fired by their risk officer for gambling with the firms liquidity. Which is not something that EVER happens to top 10 Wall Street hedge funds... The AP's job is explicitly to provide liquidity ON BOTH SIDES of the trade. So by their precise definition they MUST have both large amounts of cash (which of course they do), but also large amounts of Bitcoin. Finally, even if they do sell the Bitcoin, WHO they sell the Bitcoin to is their perogative, as is the price at which they're, which may or may not be the market price.

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YoSoySax

I see! And transferring BTC to a physical wallet is difficult, and regarding what you mentioned about it being open source, I need to know how to program (sorry for my ignorance).It would be an honor to learn from you! :D

Affectionate-Big-472

Yes. Every asset class you mentioned above has both supply and demand dynamics in play. BTC has limited supply and the only thing that is affecting its price is demand. The price of every asset class needs the imbalance between both supply and demand for its price to move. Since supply is finite, BTC only requires shift in demand for it to move, meaning you only need one side of the equation. There is no asset class in entire human history that can do that.

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Stultus_Asinus

So you think BTC will go to 0 then!? I should start to panic sell!!!

Affectionate-Big-472

Look at the past and see the volatility. This is exactly what people ask when btc drop from 19k to 3k. BTC is like the world economy on a small scale. It’s going to have depression and recession now and then but look at where the world is right now and imagine the future. Only those who see the future reap the benefits while suckers jump in and make pennies on the rise and lose the entire retirement on the way down and ask the same question why. Cycle repeats

Life-Republic2311

Who’s why I own more BTC than you

Opposite_Cold8616

You skipped investing 101 where your asset generally needs to generate income to cover the debt of it's purchase. Money spent on BTC is always going to be a gamble, and you should never gamble with money you don't have.

longonbtc

Do not listen to anybody that sends you a private message. They are all scammers that are just trying to scam you. Trust Wallet and SafePal are not good bitcoin wallets. They are both geared towards altcoins and SafePal is not open source. Binance is essentially a shitcoin casino. Some good hardware bitcoin wallet options are the [Coldcard Q](https://coldcard.com/q), [BitBox02 Bitcoin-only edition](https://bitbox.swiss/bitbox02/bitcoin-only/), [Blockstream Jade Plus](https://store.blockstream.com/products/jade-plus?variant=49701334188320), [Trezor Safe 5 Bitcoin-only](https://trezor.io/trezor-safe-5-bitcoin-only), [Trezor Safe 7 Bitcoin-only](https://trezor.io/trezor-safe-7-bitcoin-only), and [Foundation Passport Core](https://foundation.xyz/passport-core/). These six hardware wallets are all good hardware wallets that have publicly available source code that can be reviewed. There are also older & cheaper versions of three of these hardware wallets but they are still open source and reliable. They are just less user friendly than the newer & costlier versions. Those older & cheaper versions are the [Coldcard Mk4](https://coldcard.com/mk4), [Trezor Safe 3](https://trezor.io/trezor-safe-3), and [Blockstream Jade Classic](https://store.blockstream.com/products/blockstream-jade-hardware-wallet). Which exchange is best for you depends on what country you are a resident of. I recommend buying bitcoin from [Strike](https://strike.me/), [River](https://river.com/), or [Swan Bitcoin](https://www.swanbitcoin.com/) or [Cash App](https://cash.app/bitcoin) if these platforms are available in your country of residence. [River](https://river.com/) and [Strike](https://strike.me/) are the best platforms if you want to set up an automatic hourly, daily, weekly, or monthly recurring purchase schedule (automatic dollar cost averaging schedule). If you set up an automatic hourly, daily, weekly, or monthly recurring purchase schedule on River, then River stops charging you fees after the first week. https://river.com/zero-fee If you set up an automatic hourly or daily recurring purchase schedule on Strike, then Strike stops charging you fees after the first week. And if you set up an automatic weekly or monthly recurring purchase schedule on Strike, then Strike stops charging you fees after the first automatic purchase. https://strike.me/faq/how-do-i-set-up-a-recurring-purchase/ Exchanges get to choose how much they want to charge their customers for withdrawing bitcoin from their platform. This fee is referred to as a bitcoin withdrawal fee. Some exchanges choose not to charge a bitcoin withdrawal fee at all (meaning it's free to withdraw bitcoin). [Swan Bitcoin](https://www.swanbitcoin.com/) chooses not to charge a bitcoin withdrawal fee. [Strike](https://strike.me/) chooses not to charge a bitcoin withdrawal fee if you choose the slowest option. [Cash App](https://cash.app/bitcoin) chooses not to charge a bitcoin withdrawal fee if you withdraw 0.001 BTC or more and you choose the standard speed option. [River](https://river.com/) chooses to give their customers one free bitcoin withdrawal per month.

Miss_Curie

Banks aren’t “loading up” because they suddenly turned into Bitcoin maxis — they’re offering ETFs because clients want exposure and ETFs are an easy way to collect fees. $1–2B sounds big until you zoom out and realize that’s tiny relative to these banks’ balance sheets. It’s more demand-side plumbing than conviction buying. Doesn’t mean BTC is dead, but it also doesn’t mean retail should blindly follow “the banks.” If you want exposure, fine — just treat it as a volatile risk asset, not some secret signal that insiders know something you don’t. Buying is reasonable. Going all-in because of a headline… not so much :-)

Chemfreak

I have two plays that I am long on for basically the foreseeable future, BTC and 1 other stock I don't really want to disclose. I have been trimming my position in one or the other when the other position is "overvalued" relative to the normal spread between the two. Thing is, it feels so much better holding the stock because I sell CCs on it. Like right now the spread is great and I should be dumping more into BTC but the "passive" gains of the CC are so attractive. So this literally changes a lot, I can start selling CCs on both ends, and if I ride too close to the sun and the calls end in the money, well it likely will be a good opportunity to go into the other anyway because if I'm forced to give up my shares that means the spread had to have increased in my favor. Unless of course both rocket up... And yea, I do hold leaps too so I may have to do that with IBIT, which would reduce some of the "risk" of both positions going on a crazy run.

Miss_Curie

It’s definitely possible, but I don’t think it’s as clean or certain as the charts make it look. The diminishing returns part makes sens , as BTC gets bigger, each cycle naturally produces smaller multiples. That trend is real. Where it gets tricky is assuming that means the top *has* to be in just because past cycles lined up neatly. Also, the mood here doesn’t really feel like a classic cycle top. Those usually come with a lot of confidence and excitement. This feels more like people being tired, frustrated, or checked out, which often shows up after an early drawdown rather than at the final peak. Could this turn into a lower high and a longer bear? Absolutely possible. Could it also just be a rough mid-cycle shakeout in a tougher macro environment? also possible. Cycles do tend to rhyme, but they don’t follow a perfect schedule. Most of what we’re all doing here is trying to make sense of limited data in real time — and that rarely looks as clean as it does in hindsight.

Z08Z28

If we bottom at mid-60K that would fill the gap on the weekly chart and land us on the support from 2024 from when just before Trump got elected and BTC later said See Ya!

azauca

Buy Bitcoin only and self custody with cold wallet (I.e, coldcard).  Yon can search in YouTube BTC sessions coldcard, in there you’ll learn how to set it up.

Chemfreak

Sounds like i need to do more research on MSTR. I have avoided it like the plague because I would rather own the real deal at a non inflated price per BTC and I have enough long exposure on BTC.

nugymmer

No such thing exists. The market either gives a shit or it doesn't. And for most alts, in fact, dare I say all of them, the market just doesn't care. BTC is the main play, and as far as I'm concerned, the only play. Forget about everything else. Just accumulate BTC and stay the hell away from things that are only going to cause pain. Don't be a victim. You play alts, you become a victim.

nugymmer

Most alts are garbage. You will have to accept the reality of that. It's why I'm never buying any more...even if that means I miss potentially huge gains. I just don't trust them anymore because as soon as the markets look even remotely like they will take a loss, alts seem to fall through the bottom. They're just too edgy for me. And now, they're not going up as much when BTC climbs BUT they always seem to fall harder. In other words, they keep losing to BTC. Stay away from alts, they're a trainwreck in slow motion.

nugymmer

BTC won't go to sub 40k unless there's a catastrophe of some sort. And you bet I'd be buying it if it ever went that low. No more alts for me.

xXSomethingStupidXx

Owning property has a cash flowing yield where BTC does not, very different situation.

procabiak

He has not. He explicitly said he doesn't want to be a bank. All he wants to do is buy BTC, ride the bulls, and sell the gains back as dividends to flatten the demand curve into stablecoin stonks and pay a yield higher than t-bills (beats inflation).

pocketfungus876

If I could go back I would be dumping all my money in BTC when I was 16 and still living with my parents and had less expenses.

Adept-Ad-738

DCA into Bitcoin. Pro Tips: Don’t pay attention to mass media because the government / whales utilise mass media to manipulate financial markets. Once retail investors start to understand that - BTC will see large scale adoption. Mass media is the final boss BTC has to overcome, and I imagine it will happen within the next few years with the collapse of the US / US dollar

Chemfreak

I won't do it but basically anyone who could maintain liquidity for a few years after taking out a loan to buy BTC are now filthy rich. Once again, I agree with you. I'm just way too risk averse to do it. The money I have in BTC is money I'm willing to lose. But if we just look at the history with BTC, it's actually been a homerun every time people have used leverage regardless of rates to buy.

lilypadse

I mean if your average is 50k or 80k and it hits 1 million, it does make a huge difference. Buying for 50k @ 50k = 1 BTC @ 1M = 1M Buying for 50k @ 80k = 0.625 BTC @ 1M = 625k 375k difference

HueBalls1

If this is your plan, stick to it. Just have a plan for every scenario. If it never gets there, if it goes to 30k, if it goes sideways for 2 years. Most people in this sub are complete bulltards and will tell you BTC will be at 500k next month because this time is different and ETF’s, or the FED, or Michael Saylor blah blah blah. Just my two cents, if this is like prior bear markets, we’re gonna be going down lower than most people think, and for longer than most people think. There will be rallies in between to fake people out.

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More_Ad3831

Give some time for BTC to revive his trend. Don't go with alts yet if you don't have an actual system. The Global Liquidity and BTC are massive decolorated for the first time after years. That's happening because retails are still longing and the market is going against them every time. But now everyone is in loss only those who actually understand will survive this type of difficult market.

joatmone

What happens when whales have all the BTC and retail has none?

King-esckay

Just BTC and sometimes sol to play games I sold alts into BTC when they started falling a few years ago, and I haven't yet seen any reason to buy any.

LilJuicyEthan

This. I was overcome with hopelessness trying to chase the big 1BTC. Setting up small goals along the way to that dream goal helps so much!

Conscious-Degree7692

You're not wrong but to me it feels worse because of the legislation and noise. BTC hit $64k before Blackrock, trump, dats, etc.

intergalactic_dog

Millions actually, or to be more percise, 21 millions with the ticker BTC at least.

xrphabibi

Read what again? Please speak plainly and directly. Show me direct quotes of Satoshi “hating” Epstein. So far all I see that is direct is that Epstein funded BTC development.

Timely-Spirit-2283

Crypto isn’t dying — it’s fragmenting. BTC and a few majors are in a different cycle than most alts. Many altcoins from 2021 were pure liquidity plays with no real demand, so they *should* be below 2022 levels. This looks less like a classic “alt season” setup and more like a "selective survival phase".

InstaSwap_io

You’re already doing a lot right for your age. Having BTC, avoiding leverage, and thinking long-term puts you ahead of most people. When capital’s limited, what works best is consistency: small, regular buys when you can, and patience. The biggest “cheat code” early on really is skills/side income, anything that increases your future earning power beats trying to out-trade the market with tiny size. If I could go back, I’d avoid overthinking timing, chasing shiny narratives, or feeling rushed. Time + discipline matters more than clever moves. You’re on the right track. Stay curious, stack slowly, and play the long game.

ThePugz

Never been tons of institutional buyers involved. The addition of multiple ETF’s holding well over 1 million BTC is a total game changer. The only reason you’re even seeing this much of a drop is because of morons gambling like crazy with borrowing on margin to buy more BTC near an ATH. Their positions got sold because of margin calls leading to this current drop. They’ve been washed out of the market now.

Lavayo

You won't get any recommendations here. Not because they won't appreciate in fiat terms necessarily but because BTC sits apart from everything else. How it works, what it's meant to do, size, philosophy... You will have to read into it.

LethalExiles

Price points are finally starting to look good and interesting again. Unless your Saylor, where ever chance to sell USD for BTC is a great trade lol

BainTrain55

The whole BTC sub is basically just harvested talking to himself.

Zestyclose_Stomach51

Definatley!! Especially at these prices. Good time to enter BTC and stack stack STACK!!

marcvv

Easy. Cash flow. Productive assets. Hard goods and service people need or strongly desire. Like a farm. If you had to choose between a working farm or bitcoin only one will keep you alive. Like a cellphone or computer. Like an automobile to get you to places so you can obtain food from that farm. Actual goods and services that provide actual value and cash flow ensure they do not go to zero as humans literally require these things to live. Nobody requires Bitcoin to live or to live well. Everyone did fine the day before bitcoin/crypto was spread out there and everyone will do fine when it is long gone. Won't be missed by anyone. But your cellphone, car, farms, computers, homes, electricity, etc all would be missed and noticed very quickly. Two weeks ago Verizon went down and poeple lost their mind. Not long ago gmail had an outage and people lost their mind. If you wiped crypto off the planet nobody would miss it in their daily lives except those who invested all their net worth in something that intrinsically was worth $0. Also you have to laugh a bit when people say how much BTC or other cryptos or worth but what currency do they value them in? Dollars! So you covet the dollar in the end and it is what assigns any value on any given day to the ethereal crypto's. The currency you say is worthless but it is literally what values all crypto. Give that a thought!

Effective-Data3196

BTC will pump soon

YSL_Crypto

Im doing both since i see it going to $45-60k. And when it gets that low dumping the stablecoin money into BTC But just in case it somehow manages to rally, my DCA into BTC is my hedge

piggleii

Yeah for me it’s time to restock BTC.

YoSoySax

Oh, I understand! Thanks for the advice! The thing is, besides BTC, what other coins would that advice apply to? Because I saw that Memecoins aren't reliable.

gettin

Great. Make that 1000 BTC come and find me

RaidBoss3d

If I had a guess you're one of them that buys doesn't make you rich over night and sell at a loss every time. As I said I am fine, you're obviously new to BTC, probably just not for you.

Aerocryptic

The last leg of XMR’s run was fueled by a $280M hack. The hackers swapped the BTC and LTC for Monero to delete their trace. It’s back to where it was before that trade happened

djchad94

I just wanna get clarification on one point: is that 68% TOTAL coverage of u/Comfortable_Radios384’s mom’s tits or just a 68% increase over the last time BTC/USD rallied on her tits? Just wanna make sure to note this detail properly. In case there’s a test.

Right-Avocado3870

The headline is extremely misleading. Goldman held $1.6b in BTC ETFs at the end of 2024! Wells Fargo has $345m in November of last year. That's couch change on WFs balance sheet. Its also not clear what they are holding for themselves and not their clients. The implication is they are buying btc but the article provides no evidence for that.

Sea_Cardiologist_339

Set up auto buy and forget about BTC. Check it once in a while. This is not a get rich quick scheme. It’s long term

graytleapforward

Having sold half my BTC near the top, I welcome this.

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Ge_Yo

I think the cycle is different because liquidity is tighter and flows are more concentrated. So it’s majors first, then quality infra later. I’m mostly BTC, and I’m also focused on post quantum infra like QANX because quantum risk is a real long term constraint.

Longjumping_Lab_4515

I entered this market in early 2020 and exited at the end of 2024 , i realized my other investments are steadily growing in these past years (e. g. US stock market and gold) while my crypto investment in BTC and ETH just go up and down wasting my time and health waiting for it to go to the moon 🚀😬.. I left when ETH hit 4,200 and never looked back

Kylian_bois_le_vide

No it will not, cause there is adoption and institutional behind (BlackRock, BPCE, US Government etc) And there are lot of usekeys in poor countries like India, Nigeria to pay goods. Maybe we can go lower but we don't care, BTC is long term and there isn't just the price :)

K42st

I can tell you or anyone else where they get the money from which may I add is not 100 million per month you are reading the wrong material, if you understood how Strategy works their BTC purchases you’d understand they are a software company and their operating cash flow pays the interest you are talking about. Only today Micheal Saylor bought more BTC does that sound like a company who’s bussiness model is in trouble, another thing you clearly misunderstand is when Bitcoins price falls there is no margin call on the BTC they own they are long term holders with a game plan of decades so with all due respect do your own homework stop listening to mainstream media and start to understand their bussiness model!

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TuxRuffian

> With anything really. Gonna have to disagree here. For BTC HODLing is all I do, but w/allot of the smallcaps, I don't HODLing is always the best move. I agree that checking balances too often is more likely to hurt then help, but you can manage risk w/o constant interaction. For smallcaps or MCs that I don't intend on HODLing, I utilize margins with predifined SLs, TPs, TSs, etc. via OTOs _(Buy when prices hits X and sell when it reaches your TP or drops to your SL)_ and trailing stops so I can set it and forget it. It stops your emotions at any given point in time from clouding judgement and you can always edit open orders if you want. Just apply good old fasion Risk MGMT. BTC and other large caps are a different story though. They stay in my Trezor. I seperate the SOL and ETH that I HODL there as well and never mix it w/the SOL/ETH I use for token swaps, etc. TL;DR: HODLings great for some things, but not others IMHO. There is no one universal rule that is best.

Due-Candy-8929

Update (this post is 2h old…) : BTC is at : 78,357

JustLTFD

You clearly have not done your homework. Strategy will 100% have to sell BTC. Where do you think the $100 million a month comes from to pay their dividends? Right now it is coming from selling stock. But the mNAV has been on a constant decline and once it goes below 1, they can no longer sell stock. However, the debts and dividends still need to be paid. So please tell me where they get the money from? They have raised some cash anticipating this, but that cash will run out also. So please tell me what scenario there is where MSTR doesn't have to sell BTC. The only one is if magically they are able to keep raising money selling stock, but that's impossible.

caploves1019

Because the comments your reading are just keyboard warriors that don't actually practice what they preach. When people say "should I buy", they don't understand Bitcoin. So the easy answer is "BTC will consume all other investments on a long enough time scale. Just DCA" otherwise, they will either do nothing at all (number go up, be sad, never look back) or go all in (number go down, be sad, never look back). DCA makes it easy for this category of people to just set aside a monthly amount to commit to being Bitcoin rather than fiat and eventually study what they're holding enough to commit a larger portion of their set aside funds to the same goal as it continues to consume all other possible investments.

SquaredTheOG

If it goes there im buying 1 full BTC and getting a loan to buy another

Savik519

These AI agents are still so primitive and just copycats of what they have been fed already. In the future when these are advanced and need to coordinate with other AI agents then BTC will be the method of compensation between these types of entities. No bank account needed, no human interaction needed, digital/fast, etc etc

JustLTFD

You've got it all wrong. Saylor owns 5% of the coins but he will be a seller in the near future. He himself has said this. Anybody who claims he can raise infinity money to pay all his debt and dividend obligations without having to sell BTC is living in fantasy land. So with this being the case, go ahead and take what the normal bottom would be and subtract 40%.

diver206

Man, I dove into crypto 2017. I convinced a good friend to buy 1 BTC at $5k and just hold it. He’s so grateful. Me on the other hand, I’m not good at taking my own great advice. I swing traded alt coins, took $1k to about $30k, then lost it all on a shit coin I can’t even remember the name of. Today I own 0 BTC =(

AlbatrossNew3633

>Times like now are amazing. Cheaper BTC. I remember when people freaked out when BTC dropped from 20k. Now it dropped from 120k soon it will be 500k, 1m and so on. !RemindMe 6 months

BacchusAndHamsa

I only see news where they "planned to accept" by now, but never that they did it. Some of JP Morgan's "analysts" were the "to the moon by end of 2025" hype mongers, well instead BTC and ETH are in the crapper. Maybe they won't do it. Maybe some analysts are updating their resume....

MAHardaway

BTC rookie here. I googled halving bull but it was pretty hard to grasp. Could you possibly have a better time explaining it please mate?

rs7272

Not any kind of knowledge here, but I've seen it go just above 79k a few times today before falling a bit - that could mean people are setting their sell price at 79, vs 80, 85 or a more common number. I'd think it will go that way for a little while. Maybe an hour, maybe a week? Then either dip or jump. My plan still is to DCA BTC until I retire. Plus diversification across many crypto and other investment types.

PopLegion

Did I ever imply that Saylor is doing illegal things? I just said that's the only thing holding back MSTR from being a ponzi scheme, he hits the other 3 criteria, he just isn't committing any known fraud. If that were to change, it would be correct in calling it a legally defined ponzi scheme imo. I said it's not correct to call it that, so not sure why you are pearl clutching me over that. And no, MSTR fails regardless of BTC price action whenever Saylor misses a few funding rounds and can't accrue enough of other peoples money to continue growing his war cheat of BTC. Would BTC price have an impact on that? Sure. But in a world where BTC is perhaps appreciating at many multiples over the amount of extra BTC Saylor can accrue his previous investors, the entire point of buying into his company falls flat.

Ge_Yo

Agree. Most losses are emotional, not technical. Long horizon, position sizing, and less screen time fixes a lot. If you’re holding anyway, staking a portion can help you stop obsessing over candles, just keep it aligned with self custody and minimal trust. Also cool seeing BTC utility expand without abandoning the core principles.

PopLegion

The only thing holding MSTR from being legally defined as a ponzi scheme in my opinion, is at least currently we don't have proof of him cooking any books or posting fraudulent documentation. They do not generate much of any legit earnings, they fund old investors gains in BTC by gaining new investors, and they are constantly needing to accrue more capital to keep the train rolling. I agree that the market should work itself out, and I don't think Saylor should be stopped by some governing body or anything like that, as he is not breaking any laws. Doesn't mean it's not a scam though. I do think however many people here and generally have 0 clue how MSTR works and have zero idea that the entire thing is just one big constant cycle of finding more and larger investors to fund the growth for the older investors. And I think I am in my right to point that out on a crypto sub, and explain to people how this scam in my eyes is operating.

JustAnotherTou

Be happy you are buying BTC on the way down....understand 80k. You will post in a couple of years that you made 2x your money....if you dont sell.