BTC

DrPotato231

There are arguments that suggest why BTC is going to be valuable enough to never go down to $0. Is there certainty in this? No. Nvidia could go to $0 as well. It’s all about demand and supply - larger market forces at play. Anybody who doesn’t admit to this is probably convincing themselves of something illogical. An argument from repeated history says nothing about what may happen tomorrow. All that to say, my question to you would be what makes you think of this?

Financial-Cod-1985

BTC will fall below $70k

Financial_Vanilla_47

But it worked for millions of other cryptos... It's just the precious sacred quazi religious cult like aspect of BTC prevents people from understanding it's just as vulnerable to collapse as any other crypto... Unfortunately of course it will have to take this actually happening before the maxis would believe something like that.

DepartmentNo9197

DCA. Every day at 8:21 pm, I buy $40 worth of BTC. No fees. The app is super user friendly. Set it and forget it.

Turbulent_Hand_2386

Learn to ride the dragon 🤷🏼‍♂️ can’t see any crash, just BTC doing BTC things. Widen your scope. No short term shit with BTC

Abject-Stretch-1187

Were we in a bear market when BTC fell to 75k last year? There’s no 4 yr cycle especially when we only have two data sets. We can dump to 60k and it still won’t mean anything as we can easily be at 120k by year end. So again it’s all nonsense, if you believe in BTC, stack and if you don’t, keep timing the market and get rekt.

Busy_Rich266

Help me understand, why in the world would you put yourself in a situation knowing all BTC has to do is go below $80k and you’ve wiped out years and years of hard work. Does that seem like a decision that makes any sense at all?

Homelanderthe7

Lol someone sold their $100 BTC@100k and thinking now they are the greatest pro traders.

AURA_FARMER_1

How do you know BTC will close the market cap with gold? Why would investors invest in something digital rather than something that is known to go up in uncertainty like gold? I'm genuinely curious

Azatis-

but but BTC 200k by the end of 2025 guaranteed

marcvv

Something not being dead yet isn’t evidence that it can’t still go to (near) zero. Survivorship bias cuts both ways. History is full of assets and asset classes that were repeatedly declared ‘not dead’… right up until they were. Examples: • Tulip bulbs (1630s) – Survived multiple crashes before collapsing to intrinsic value (flowers). • South Sea Company shares (1720) – Recovered multiple times before becoming a legacy shell. • Railroad stocks (1800s) – The technology changed the world; most equities went to zero due to over-issuance and leverage. • Dot-com stocks (late 1990s) – The internet won; most investors didn’t. Amazon surviving doesn’t mean [Pets.com](http://Pets.com) was ‘early.’ • Japanese equities (1989) – Not dead, but still below peak 35+ years later in real terms. That’s a functional zero for many holders. • Gold (1980–2000) – Didn’t go to zero, but delivered \~20 years of negative real returns despite constant ‘store of value’ narratives. Persistence ≠ valuation support. Assets can survive structurally while destroying capital for decades. In my investments, I try to look for the mechanism that enforces a non-zero floor when marginal demand disappears. Stocks have: • Cash flows • Buybacks • Liquidation value Bonds have: • Coupons • Par value • Legal priority Real estate has: • Rent • Utility Bitcoin has: • Scarcity — but only if demand persists. If demand is reflexive and narrative-driven, price is path-dependent rather than anchored. BTC can survive and still be a terrible investment from here. Those aren’t contradictory statements. And if history is any guide the path to zero is viable despite it being "tried & tried again"

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2shyofa3sum

Here come all the "just DCA and chill" posts from people with $14 of BTC.

SameWeekend13

Why buy now when. BTC will dip even more ?

Vinnypaperhands

>It's time people like you understand the early days of Bitcoin are not coming back. A 100% increase from $1 to $2 is not the same as a 100% increase from $100k to $200k, it takes exponentially more money to push the price of Bitcoin up the higher it goes. Shut up, you literally know nothing about me haha. When did I claim BTC still has thousand percent rallies in a month coming up? Thank you captain obvious. The higher the market cap the more money required to push the prices higher. HOLY SHIT THE REVELATIONS!!!!! You know what's funny about your little argument, people have been saying that about gold for a very very long time. "Oh the days of gold rallying to ath are over" "gold won't do another 2x those days are over" yet here we are. Tell me this, how much money is needed to push an asset class 2x it's value when the market cap is over 10 trillion. BTC is still such a small asset compared to titans like gold. If BTC captures just 20 percent of that market the prices will 3x. Easily. Sure no one should exactly super rallies of 400 percent gain in a month, but to think BTC can't but much higher numbers it's simply naive.

Bratizcka

I lump summed my money in BTC 3 years ago already. Been dca'ing ever since then. Dont have money to lump sum anymore :)

Financial_Vanilla_47

I think it is I think these are the last high and mighty group in the crypto verse but since the broader market has already confirmed a failure of the entire cycle I think we are just now waiting on this bear market to be just like the other ones and by that I mean to ultimately resolve to a lower than anticipated price level which by my estimation (going by what people are talking about online) 30-50k is what people are anticipating so i think it is going to be much worse than that and to me under 15k sustained for multiple months would fit that bill since it also coincides with an entire loss of the entire cycle and in its own way confirms the longer term failure of the industry to actually be adopted in any meaningful way by the broader economy and have genuine market cap growth as a result. So yeah once BTC is under 15k and more metrics start flipping negative relative to other investments then hopefully we can get those maxis to come back to reality and realize the entire industry is actually shot and it's not just a "Bitcoin is king" scenario but more of a "damn I wish Peter Schiff wasn't right but he was" scenario.

Clean_Difficulty_225

BTC is the Epstein Files (ledger of transactions of criminal activities). Recent files released from the DoJ now has Saylor being implicated as well. Then add onto that the overall macroeconomic environment. BTC is done.

Liarompas4

I think BTC will go deeper, I hope I could buy it at 50k 😎

TheresNoSecondBest

If it hits $0.2, I will buy 420 BTC.

aaj094

There is a fair bit of shitting I see here about Saylor. All you need to do is think where Strategy and its shareholders would be in the alternate universe where Saylor had nothing ever to do with BTC. That company is quite literally a BTC vehicle now with anything else being a side show.

RamoneBolivarSanchez

Why would BTC need alts? If anything it should absorb all liquidity from all alts and permanently kill them, albeit maybe a few L1’s with smart contract capabilities. Also I don’t care what other assets do, resorting to whataboutism doesn’t reinforce your argument. I hold stocks, crypto, and even collectibles like vintage TCG. Limiting yourself to just 1 is just as stupid as claiming that the one you’ve chosen is magically the best (ie precisely what you’re accusing me of). Why not hold whatever you want to hold because you can be an adult lol? I can assure you holding BTC as a small hedge in my portfolio has been wonderful over the past 10 years and I could care less about any short term time frame considering the objective returns have been unmatched. I was also lucky to get in earlier so I have that luxury though. Not all do. This is why people shouldn’t topblast. Also a lesson in not full porting at once.

RamoneBolivarSanchez

Why would BTC need alts? If anything it should absorb all liquidity from all alts and permanently kill them, albeit maybe a few L1’s with smart contract capabilities. Also I don’t care what other assets do, resorting to whataboutism doesn’t reinforce your argument. I hold stocks, crypto, and even collectibles like vintage TCG. Limiting yourself to just 1 is just as stupid as claiming that the one you’ve chosen is magically the best (ie precisely what you’re accusing me of). Why not hold whatever you want to hold because you can be an adult lol? I can assure you holding BTC as a small hedge in my portfolio has been wonderful over the past 10 years and I could care less about any short term time frame considering the objective returns have been unmatched. I was also lucky to get in earlier so I have that luxury though. Not all do. This is why people shouldn’t topblast. Also a lesson in not full porting at once.

El-Grande-

The big 4 have definitely refused. They have proven 25B in gold. 33B in Tbills. 8B in BTC and Whatever else… they are more transparent than banks for this, and probably hold a large % of assets VS “money” than traditional banks…

NielsAurora

Deposit GBP on nexo with no limits then purchase BTC.

Montana-Safari7

Just stick to BTC and any other hard-capped token that has utility and solid fundamentals. Only thing disappearing next four years are the meme tokens. That party is over.

para1131_F33L

Bc for the last decade, the 'BTC is dead' argument has been tried and tried again. I think we can all safely assume BTC is not dead. Again.

CarFixinCeliacBoi

You took out loans to buy BTC when it was at it's highest? Bro. Investing isn't your game.

unfamiliarjoe

When it gets to $50k I will sell everything I have and put it all in BTC

JerseyJimmyAsheville

If halving cycle is still intact: 2014 BTC was down 58%, 2018 was down 73%, 2022 was down 64%, this is 2026 and Bitcoin started the year at $88,732. This is not FUD, just historical data. The only thing that I see that is outside the 4year cycle is that Bitcoin actually ended 2025 down 6.35% for the year. This is the first year that has been negative in any year except the ones I pointed out earlier ( part of the 4 year cycle which is why they seem this year the best year ). I’m guessing the 23.17% that BTC was down in the 4th quarter is partially due to an early start to the bear year as well as options trading. If the 4 year cycle is no longer intact, then all the information I gave this group is useless. I believe it is still intact, just altered in the various amount of ways that Bitcoin can be traded/used. This is not financial advice, just historical facts for the group, but I’d rather sell now and buy back more at a much lower price, it will reach its lowest price by September/October 2026 before it starts to recover. Good luck.

StrikingBob

Exactly my feeling, and not just with this, but with stocks too. Always dips near the end of the month (last 3-4 months), then I wait for my paycheck till 3-4th of the month, enter ASAP, and it already rallied... I even asked ChatGPT, Gemini and so on, is this a pattern? They all say no. But how could it not be? People rushing to put their paycheck in BTC, stocks, etc, from their paycheck, pushes prices up at the start of the month. And after that, we have a pullback. Have to resist the FOMO and start loading in at the END of the month. Who's with me?

2shyofa3sum

Here come all the "just DCA and chill" posts from people with $11 of BTC.

Centmo

BTC is not a short term get rich quick strategy. It’s hold long term with money you don’t need for a long time. Only then can you ride out the waves without stressing.

benstheredonethat

Okay Mr money bags over here, leave some BTC for the rest of us!

Financial-Cod-1985

BTC to $60k

Killer_Stickman_89

You are so fucking delusional. How long do you think it's going to take BTC to reach 1 million without alts?

OldHamburger7923

If it hits $2, I will buy 69 BTC.

OpticallyMosache

You have to consider what your gain/loss is by each year. If you bought BTC in the last 1-2 years, then your return isn't really over 4 years and 11 months. You have lots that are positive and lots that are negative.

ValoisSign

This is one thing I don't get - keep seeing people talk about crypto being dead/btc holders screwed and like admittedly I just have a small amount in my portfolio but isn't this pretty par for the course with BTC? It's worth what everyone thinks its worth, which doesn't exactly lend itself to price stability and predictability. Is there any reason people are freaking out this time other than the downtrend?

setokaiba22

Realistically BTC is the one with the most ‘value’ and arguably the one to gamble with. 99% of the rest are junk and have no purpose aside from to creators to get rich. Will BTC ever be a ‘currency’ daily adopted worldwide? I don’t believe so. It’s an asset currently with huge institutions invested and banks involved all on the premise of other people Investing and thinking it has value. Up to you whether you stick or not, you could just invest in a stock arguably it’ll be safer (depending on the stock) People have crypto on the premise it’s volatile and will or might be worth more tomorrow, next week or next year.

Natural_Fix408

Paid off my house and truck with BTC. Set a price goal. Forget the noise and hold till It gets there take your profits and don’t focus on the ups and downs. Good luck Peeps

thebalancewithin

Not touching ETH for now, probably load up more at 1.7-2k, but other than that straight BTC, maybe XRP

sargsauce

It let my kids stay in the school district they love and my wife was able to quit her job to pursue her small business and I shoot arrows in the yard and feed the chickens and there's a hill for the kids to sled down. Sorry to say, but can't sled down a hill with BTC.

Personal_World_1690

When the BTC tresories start to fall down... let's see...

watch-nerd

Back to April 2025 pricing for BTC. 9 months of gains, flushed.

2shyofa3sum

Here come all the "just DCA and chill" posts from people with $11 of BTC.

ostergxxrd

shit, BTC at USD 78K, I hope you are doing okay! Stay strong!!

Imaginary_Brick_1001

And people use fud, pussy, loser, paper hands, no balls, wimp, wuss, homo to describe people who don't constantly have a bullish outlook on BTC. Drop from $120k to $100 and don't buy?? Loser Drop from $100 to 90k Buy the dip pussy! Drop from $90 to $78k Oh new dip! Yay! And when we hit $60k What is wrong with you? Buy buy buy ya lil bitch I've never met an Investment expert who just closes their eyes and says buy. Apparently there are 100 million investment experts on Reddit who know you only buy and never sell. Seems pretty stupid. And boring tbh Bunch of bots and people who live with their parents with $50 to spend probably

identiifiication

Head and shoulders forming on BTC/USD weekly, if I were to short it'd be in this time.

Cptn_BenjaminWillard

Let me give you a scenario and let you rethink your comment. 1. I borrow $1,000,000. I buy $1,200,00 bitcoin with that money and with $200,000 that I already have, when BTC is trading at $20,000. I pledge that bitcoin as collateral against the loan when it is $20,000, so I have 60 bitcoin pledged against a $1 million dollar loan. I agree that if the value of the bitcoin drops below $15,000, I will liquidate everything, and my lender will take a $100,000 haircut (while I lose all of my personal funds). 2. Bitcoin rises to $80,000. I buy more bitcoin, but this time, instead of taking a loan, I raise money through an equity offering, and that money is used to buy more bitcoin. Let's say that I buy 10 bitcoin for $800,000 because that's how much I raised. I now have 70 bitcoin, but my total loan is still $1,000,000. 3. Bitcoin drops to $60,000. My 70 bitcoin are worth $4.2 million. The people who loaned me the original million are sitting on a yacht anchored off the beach on their personal island, reading Reddit, and laughing at the redditors who think that Saylor is about to get his loan called.

sabansaban

if i had to guess BTC will go down to 65k. probably timed around may '26. from there it either bounces off the 200 WMA and moves back up or crashes another 10k or so. buying at the current 78k is not bad but i would probably try to time a buy at 71 or so

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DramaticReporter7659

Well, I'm not entirely satisfied. Six years of sacrifice, I lost 0.3 BTC. I live in Ecuador, and to get that much I had to work two jobs for five years. As I said before, I've been working since I was a child; I didn't have the childhood many others had, and I don't have the strength to start over. My path will lead to homelessness, and if I'm lucky, I hope to die before I'm 35, since I'm too cowardly to send myself to heaven.

sacrulbustings

This is the BTC our parents warned us about 

Seko96

For me, it's irrelevant whether it happens fast or slow. Price moves from level to level, sometimes faster, sometimes slower. What matters is identifying those levels accurately. My strategy is based on the BTC 4-year cycle combined with multi-timeframe analysis. The speed of the move doesn't change the structural setup, we had a clear cycle high in October 2025, and now we're in the bearish phase heading toward the cycle low.

MK2809

This post as aged well in two days? I still believe in Bitcoin long term, but I think the mythical 4 year cycle is playing out and BTC willl be heading lower for most of the year.

OpticallyMosache

My mental model is expecting BTC to continue lower through the end of 2026. No idea the bottom but $40k feels about right. (Hit that downvote button) In prior cycles I tended to start buying aggressively too soon. If I had any advice to my prior self it would be to either stay the course with a disciplined DCA or save my lump sum purchases for a price much lower than I expected. My long term view on BTC hasn't changed. But a little surprised the 4-year cycle is setting up to repeat.

themrgq

That's the best way to lose your BTC

Significant-Fan-8938

Mathematically, they have to print the money or the whole system goes down. Either way BTC wins

Alarming_Copy_4117

What would the price of BTC be if everyone was borrowing against it and not buying or selling it?

Necessary-Nature-380

Consolidation at $78k is extremely bad news for BTC. Expect more downside if there is not a quick bounce.

themrgq

As a currency monero is much better. For BTC I'll probably have to liquidate on a CEX

BainTrain55

As long as your just in BTC Tell her starting November we’re gonna make our money back. Beans rice and toast for dinner. Taco Bell napkins for toilet paper will be the norm for awhile lol.

hugokx

"I'll go all in when it hits 10k$" when BTC is @80k$ is exactly the opposite thinking as "I'll sell when it hits 200k$" when it was @120k$. Greed leads to unrealistic bullish (during hype conditions) and bearish (during fear conditions) predictions hence why most people (me included) miss the top and bottom.

Downtown_Feedback665

I started BTC mining on GoMining and I get .0012 BTC every day regardless of BTC price. It’s beautiful basically DCA daily

Veterinarian-Unfair

Calling BTC less volatile is a crazy statement.

matthegc

Wow….I may be able to own a decent amount of BTC soon.

AnusMistakus

ETFs hold close to 100bn in BTC, there is way more on the long side than short to force to sell.

Bbronson123

Rip. Pretty blown away “regular” people bet so much on crypto still. We’ve had a good 10-15 years or so of horror stories of people losing everything yet people still take ultra risks thinking it’s 2010 and they’ll 50-100x their investments in a few years. Just DCA and relax if you have that much trust in BTC, it’s so easy to do, it’s easy not to do.

encony

Ah good to see these posts popping up again, seems it's time to get back into BTC soon

trader2O

What do you mean you’ll be wiped out if it drops below 80? BTC is under 80k now.

EastCoastASIC

Ahhh the smell of cheap BTC. Love it.

Boniouk84

Ok here is a break down. 1) BTC is digital and digital has taken market share from analogue in every market place and financial will be no different. 2) BTC is about $1.5tn mcap. Gold is about $25tn. BTC will close that gap and eventually equal it in the next 10-15 years. 3) you have the same concern that i read 20 times when btc went from $10k to $3k in 2021, before ripping to $60k. 4) most Asset classes are $100tn minimum. Crypto is under $3tn. Super early. 5) looking at other predictions, scientists think we will be mining an asteroid with astronomical amounts of gold on it before quantum mechanics has an affect on crypto. 6) your feelings have ZERO correlation to markets.

ZeroRegretMarine

Buy naked BTC and come back in two years.

DuePaleontologist539

BTC is at 78k rn..

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holiquetal

ETH drilling hard while BTC has barely begun going down

brandon_cabral

A bit extreme putting BTC at 5k in 2033 but I get your point.

Vinnypaperhands

>The "store of value" for Bitcoin had been proven false as it has moved inversely to traditional stores of value. And at a time when adoption is at an all time high. It's literally only been this year that gold has FINALLY ou performed Bitcoin since it's inception. Regardless of that, if you would have bought BTC 10 or 6 years ago, your wealth would have been stored better through BTC. What the fuck has been proven false my gut? BTC stated out being worth pennies and now it's still over 80k. What failed neatly?

Responsible_Head6990

This is the dumbest, TDS induced comment I’ve seen. Yeah let me wait till the current president dies because you hate him, regardless of where the price of BTC is at. “BTC just hit a new low of $81k!” CrackWeedMoney - “WaIt TiLl TrUmP dIeS tO bUy MoRe BTC!”. Ah, no thanks. I’ll keep DCA’ing.

Soil_Electronic

What’s the expectations for BTC this bear market? Can we see 50K?

chichris

My Wife can care less about BTC. We never talk about it I just automate my daily buy and go on about my day. I never had any expectations she would care.

OpticallyMosache

How is everyone doing? Is this your 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th bear market for BTC?

Rock_Strongo

The potential reward is less because the risk is far less. The threat of BTC going to zero, despite what some reactionary doomers say whenever it drops a bit, is MUCH less than it was a decade ago. Many alts provide the same early-BTC 100x potential if you're willing to risk losing everything.

baIIern

The crypto market is based solely on hype and belief. Imho there has never been a use case that justifies a market cap of more than 1 billion. Yet BTC reached new ATHs. People need something speculative because they dream of making easy money. I took profits months ago and am almost entirely out of crypto right now. I wouldn't bet on the death of crypto just yet.

polecy

Wasn't BTC designed to be used as a currency? I don't see anyone using BTC to buy or sell stuff, people just hoard it and exchange it for other currency.

JuxtaposeLife

"contracts" is your problem... just buy BTC and put it in cold storage and you have no time stress

Economy_Appearance72

If BTC goes to $0 I'll buy 5

devCheckingIn

The irony is that BTC was pretty much designed to be useful against all the crap going on in the world today. Bank failures, threats of wars, central bank regardation, dollar weakness, political and macro uncertainty. BTC was designed to be a p2p currency outside of all the hysterics and idiocy of the rulers of the world.

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Kind_Soup_9753

They see silver and gold and think BTC is the same horse. It’s not. this won’t age well.

No_Giraffe_4647

I have made my selection only 10 of them made the cut imo: BTC ETH ZRO SUI LINK AVX ICP CC XRP XMR

DankShibe

BTC is ok. The problem is the alts

Actual_Pattern_265

> crypto has issues too but least you can see on chain activity Irrelevant. Crypto derivatives are exponentially larger than the spot market, and most of it is off chain. Actually, most of the spot trading is off chain. I figured FTX would have alerted people to how much rehypothecation is going on, and that paper claims to BTC, Eth, etc. have probably inflated the supply by many many multiples. Call me when all the shady-af 100x leverage / derivative exchanges around the world have to prove their reserves. When that day comes, FTX will look like a baby scandal. Also - banks like JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, etc. have already launched financial assets for synthetic BTC. Check JP Morgan's "Bitcoin-Linked Leveraged Structured Notes". Selling claims to BTC without having to buy any - all done through IOUs. The idea that BTC has a fixed supply, or that corruption is obvious because of on-chain activity. Ya, no. Wall Street does not play by these rules. They can get around all of this very easily, as they did with other fixed or scarce assets like gold, silver and real estate.

Infinite-Ad1720

This happens and I will max out my HELOC to buy two BTC.

JekPorkinsTruther

Your #2 is wrong. MSTR BTC is not collateralized. They take out convertible notes and use the proceeds to buy btc. That is way different than using BTC as collateral.  They aren't getting margin called. 

Hot-Aide4075

Last normal cycle is in we will now enter an extended long bearmarket for BTC. Whales are rotating to Bitcoin Cash and Litecoin to let BTC cool off

Purple-Piano700

Using leverage is a big mistake when you don't know what you're doing. To everyone! The wisest course of action is simply to use DCA on BTC, or DCA on dips like right now.

iterativ

What the cycle theorists don't get. There was no euphoria stage. Sure BTC hit few ATHs, but it was like any give day, a lot of apathy. It still can go lower, but without dramatic rises, usually you don't get bad crashes (well worst than happened already, anyway).

brandon_cabral

So let’s say in 7 years BTC is at 660k. Why would you sell the BTC if you needed, say, 40k? Why not just take 10 - 15% of your stack and borrow against it?