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We were tired of paying for crypto signal groups, so we spent a few months building our own desktop terminal.

Is MSTR a ticking time bomb?

My Barber finally sold his Alt coins

Do you think BTC has bottomed here or is another drop coming?

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A few words about Litecoin (LTC)

Attention all Memecoin Hodlers

Cryptocurrencies with the potential to grow 50x, 100x, and more by 2030.

This dip is different. Crypto might not recover…

Humanity Protocol, Kelp DAO stolen funds commingle – Same attacker?

Ça y est j'ai atteint 0,1BTC

Cross margin is how a 15% BTC wick cost me the whole account

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AI Agents Could Be Bitcoin’s Next Demand Driver

STRC's 100$ stability mechanism has a design flaw

For those who started years ago: Do you ever feel like you missed the boat, even if you’re finally in?

In what year did you enter the crypto world, and how much have you accumulated so far?

Does anyone actually trade BTC dominance, or is it just a vibe indicator?

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I live in the US. How can I begin using Bitcoin as a daily transaction payment method?

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How could small BTC deposits to a “burn” site result in receiving ~0.75 BTC back? (Saw txs myself)

if you could go back and put $1,000 into one crypto at launch, what would you pick?

BTCUSD Update

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BTC Goes Below $60k and Everyone Says It’s Dead? 🤣

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We cool with this?

PokeFUN.lol : my first memecoin is

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"SATOSHIS MILLION"

This is the time to start buying

BITCOIN TO 34K

Both the (4th) Rainbow Chart and Power Law chart failed this week. Only the Diminishing Returns theory has survived every cycle.

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Any good "stores" to buy BTC?

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If you rotate into alts this cycle, what's your actual exit rule — not the entry?

[Showcase] Built a lightweight SOL/BTC/ETH ticker bot for Discord sidebars

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Many exchanges are facing MiCA compliance issues and Bitpanda is giving 5% for EU who move assets to their exchange

MiCA is forcing a venue migration in Europe, and Bitpanda is paying 5% in BTC to relocate assets for EU users

Selling my 6 BTC today

How do i calculate how much i'll pay in mining fees knowing the amount of btc i'm sending and the sat/vbyte rate?

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How to "leak' a small amount of BTC every year.

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My BTC is not even nearly close to an alarming number.

Should i buy BTC?

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Every time I need cash for something it's always when BTC is at the worst possible price ...

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How are you positioning in the current market environment?

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All in at 35-45k!!

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Is this $10.6B BTC options expiry actually a gamma trap, or are people overplaying the $54k call?

Crypto Winter or Done

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Crypto Winter or Done

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10x Research just put the cycle bottom at $55,000 by October, while Polymarket has 64% odds BTC hits $55K or lower before 2027.

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Extrapolation Model: Bitcoin will drop 66%

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It's not over till Stradegy sells a lot

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MSTR -- STRC dumb math problem of the day...

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Is this the tipping point?

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Is there any chance for BTC?

Every major exchange and lender collapse from 2014 to 2023. The pattern is always the same.

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Finally Wholecoiner 💎

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Anyone else notice how differently BTC and alts behave when volatility spikes?

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MaSTeR Michael and the BTC Maller

What is the relationship of BTC with NASDAQ?

BTC Burning Wallet

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BTC under $60k and I’m already all in 🪙

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BTC Burning Wallet

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cold wallet, should I?

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Should I liquidate at a Loss?

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We keep finding suspicious activity while listing tokens on our crypto app

Can MSTR create a ripple effect on the whole stock market should it collapse to nothing?

BTC is not a store of value, it’s a Story of value which we create to sell to the next person at a higher price.

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How do you handle the pressure?

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BTC halving cycle / 4 year cycle / and Elliot wave theory

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BTC halving cycle / 4 year cycle / and Elliot wave theory

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Theoretical BTC chart

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USDC earning stuck in pending at OKX

Fear & Greed is at "Extreme Fear" — what's actually driving this selloff, and the one corner of the market that's still green

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BTCUSD drop till 35k. Is it Possible?

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FUD

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Bitcoin

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S&P cracking, Iran deal dead, Fed hawkish. A bloodbath is coming and this is the most exciting development of the decade

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What is going on

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BTC Back to $61K?

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Has Anyone Replaced Impulse Purchases with BTC Purchases?

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I wish I had bought BTC in the early 2010s. I didn’t even know what investing was back then. I never feel like I’m doing enough.

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Binance.US charged me a ~5% spread on a BTC Convert transaction. Support admitted it was unusually high. Is this normal?

What the hell happened? Thousands of BTC appeared in my wallet. What is the scam here?

MSTR and STRC are a feast or famine greedy scheme. Awesome in a bullrun, catastrophic in a bear market. It can amplify a rocket ship during good times, but could now potentially amplify into a death spiral.

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Wendy’s is outperforming Bitcoin now

Stop panicing about BTC price please

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Built a small BTC scalping bot (57% win rate) — looking for feedback before scaling

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I think BTC going to hold 59k range

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Am I the Only One That See's An Unreal Buying Opportunity Right Now???

$BTC Bitcoin falls below $60k….

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What is happening with bitcoin?

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Is Michael Saylor the ultimate sacrifice?

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core PCE tomorrow, consensus is hot, and everyone already seems sure it tanks crypto

The MSTR mess has exposed some important truths and lies not just about Bitcoin but Cryptocurrency more widely.

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What’s happening

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Is BTC/USD a Fair Comparison?

Long term holders are accumulating BTC very aggressively!

A conversation with a colleague who believes he bought "2 whole Bitcoins"

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Update: From wanting 100% BTC to looking for a balance Thoughts?

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Bitcoin Sent to Unknown Address After Trust Wallet Purchase

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And what can you do with the purchased bitcoin? Other than selling it later? Also, BTC requires huge amounts of electricity to simply exist. AI companies may be losing money now, but they have a useful product. And they expect to recoup the losses later.

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no, the global elites (federal reserve, world bank, Rothschilds would never let that happen unless they owned 100% stake in BTC.

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You can’t know for sure if MSTR selling 32 bitcoin is what dropped the price of BTC. Narrative often follows price.

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BTC follows tech stocks the line no longer holds true

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He sold to “inoculate the market” just like the flaw in idea of the national BTC reserve… if it looked like the US was going to start selling, price is going to plummet. Same with Saylor unless the market is used to the idea that he could sell some to fund obligations if necessary.

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no... because I have the same BTC I had back in October '25 as I have now. But sure, whatever helps you sleep at night

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Your post is framed as people moving to BTC because of inflationary pressures but ok. 

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Going from microstrategy to strategy means their strategy is bigger and no longer a micro one. The last time he lost 6Billion, now he has $60billion worth of BTC.

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You dont actually believe in BTC, then. You're a high time preference trader. Just be honest about it.

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If you're just starting out, DCA into BTC is honestly a solid way to learn without feeling like you have to time the market. I'd also avoid jumping straight into tradingmost beginners end up losing money trying to chase quick gains. Start with Bitcoin, get comfortable using a reputable exchange and wallet, then branch out later if you're still interested.

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Homie, if BTC ever dropped back down to $200.. it would be GAME OVER.

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Bitcoin is the dumbest shit ever, but I hold it. I don’t like it, I don’t want it, it’s something I didn’t ask for, but it’s here. BTC is not a speculative asset for my purposes. It’s a hedge against the world the tech billionaire assholes seem to want and I DCA into Bitcoin with the same enthusiasm as my life insurance premiums.

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I’ve been in a bit longer than you, and while I’m equally disappointed, I think you’re going to have to be honest about what’s happening. Some of it is retrospective so there’s nothing you can do now. But if you do have some Bitcoin left and want to hold or add later, some things to think about. 1) If you’ve been holding over five years and have a 13% return, you’ve timed it badly AND not added when advantageous. My first buy was 20k but I bought up to 60k in 2021 and so my average wasn’t great. I was underwater in 2022. But I averaged down, bought as low as 18k or so, and continued buying through the recovery. Now I’m up around 100% even after this big drawdown. You’ve got to take advantage of assets when they’re “cheap.” 2) In that same line of thinking, you’re now talking about buying into assets that have done really well just as they’re starting to show weakness. And you’re selling an asset that’s already been beaten to shit in order to fund it. It feels like that kind of move is not learning from your experience in Point 1. 3) Bitcoin is a volatile asset. In its whole history it has drastically underperformed quite a lot if you bought the exuberance, which most people do. It’s often the case that over a 4-5 period it is fairly flat, but if you look over 2-3 years or 5-6 years it’s up in a huge way. I’d be careful when looking at the chart and making your determinations. Ultimately, it’s your decision and you can make a case for selling BTC and buying equities. But to me this is a terrible time to be making the switch. If you really are getting out of Bitcoin, I think it would be prudent to not make the same mistake again and buy another asset at an exuberant high. You already did that once with Bitcoin.

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Fair enough, but the advice is borrow instead of selling outright if you actually need fiat. Plus the 25% LTV ceiling is a max, not a target. If you only need a little liquidity, borrow less and your liquidation buffer becomes much larger, e.g. with 10% LTV BTC would have to crater to like $20k before you're in trouble. Even in your $35k scenario at 25% LTV, you'd lose a portion of the position and still own the rest. Selling at $60k locks in 100% of the loss with zero upside left. If you don't need the cash, don't borrow.

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I'd say it's better than BTC on the blockchain side, but the chart is the chart

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BTC can go to $5k and stay there and be fine, however if that happens MSTR will not be fine.

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The big difference b/w now and then is this time they have pressure to sell BTC to cover the dividend obligation and them selling BTC drops the price of BTC (as seen by their recent test). This isn't purely a repeat of 2022 conditions.

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The problem is, that tech and banking sectors have switched to new algorithms which are quantum resistant, while BTC is stuck on choices made 17 years ago. This is fundamental issues in blockchain keeping up to date with cryptography requires hard forks. With all the hassle that comes with it.

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DCA into btc is a solid first move. you mentioned the amount would be low and thats totally fine, consistency matters more than size when you're starting out. One thing I'd add to what others have said: plain DCA works, but you might want to look into adjusting how much you put in based on where the market's at risk-wise. like buying a bit more when things look calmer and pulling back when everything's heated. I've been using alphasquared for that it gives you a daily risk score and you can scale your buys around it. Helped me stop second-guessing every purchase. For exchanges, Coinbase or Kraken are both pretty beginner friendly and the fees won't destroy you like those ATMs do. Get comfortable with BTC first before even thinking about alts.

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1 study BTC, study the cycle, make a plan, not just DCA, when to DCA when not to DCA, study seasonality of BTC during bull run and bearish period, news happen around BTC seasonality

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Awesome. I’ll load up on $10k BTC all day every day.

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40k BTC would justify liquidation of some assets for the stack

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You can always donate your BTC to me for charity 👀

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$10,000 BTC incoming. May take a year or two. Once each support level breaks downward it will seek out the next support. As long as the up waves are on low volume and the leg downs are on larger volume she will head lower. And needs time to base before a curl can form. The weekly chart is still basically Straight down. and 4 candles is only 1mth. Only 48 candles in 1 year. Tells a story.

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A cause of hyperinflation the salaries can skyrocketing as the actual value of the fiat currency would be in that case devalued. For an example when Soviet Union collapsed then Soviet Rouble suffered an hyper inflation somewhere 2-3 years prior collapse. The same outcome was for pre II WW German Reichmark when a cause of Big Depression occurred in1930's the Reicmark was devalued so much that people of Germany instead of buying coal or firewood, they used banknotes as a fuel because it was cheaper than buying fuel for money. So we can expect the same for USD and/or EUR if the current global policy and economic instability continues. Then it might be a momentum for BTC and other crypto currrencies as they aren't affected by inflation.

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BTC is the best crypto to purchase, by far! Only 21 million will ever be mined and released, and the price will only rise over time!! I’ve been purchasing $250 a week for many years and moving to my cold wallet.

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Saylor never said HE would never sell. If you listen carefully he was talking to the normies, to retail when he said that. It is a generational loss for a retail investor to sell too soon. For a corporate entity like MSTR, of course they have to sell BTC at some point.

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My first move was DCAing BTC and then immediately ruining it by also grabbing five alts a youtuber swore were the next Bitcoin. Three years later the BTC is still here and the alts are basically a museum of red. So yeah, DCA BTC, just fight the part of your brain that thinks you spotted the secret coin everyone else missed.

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I have around 0.1% of my net worth in cash and cash equivalents. It could get devalued to nothing and it wouldn't hurt me at all. It doesn't matter much to me if it has no intrinsic value. It's just a convenient exchange method. On the other hand, someone who has all or most of his worth in BTC has considerably more risk when the asset has no intrinsic value. Bitcoin and fiat currency do indeed share some of the same qualities. But the quantity of the asset is what determines the actual risk to an individual.

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Not exactly. Bitcoin can simply have a large draw down and stay low for a long period of time. MSTR would be fucked and end in a death spiral. Bitcoin can still recover. BTC falls → MSTR stock falls → raising money gets harder → less ability to buy BTC/support valuation → investors lose confidence → stock falls more So on and so forth…… https://preview.redd.it/1gf3ezr284ah1.jpeg?width=1536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9c7b6f4f862e418338713d709d6616ac5431cca8

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You do know that Strategy sold 704 BTC back in Dec 2022 for tax-loss harvesting tx right? You know right? And, they repurchased 810 BTC just two days later. And Strategy has bought **tiny amt of 2,657 btc** since selling the **massive amount of 32 btc**.

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Regardless of whether I, or anyone, thinks that buying BTC is a good idea at any given time....DCA'ing is usually a better idea than just going full-bore on one drunken evening.

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Bitcoin is all about vibes; this is an "asset" that provides literal **zero** utility (beyond laundering). So the numbers are largely meaningless. Strategy is explicitly tied as the key endorser to BTC in its value proposition - "a store of wealth". Once they start selling, you best bet anyone with two brain cells to rub together will sell because of the whole proposition Strategy has set up for itself - to "never sell". You don't think the rest of the market will panic to not be the remaining bagholder here?

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Other than BTC ETH and SOL this is trash

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Crypto is garbage. BTC has real value. Don’t hold alt coins.

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For a first move, DCA into BTC is probably the least messy option. Just don’t overthink the app too much at the start, compare fees/spreads on places like Kraken, Coinbase, Nexo and a few others, then keep it boring. Small buys, regular schedule, don’t chase random coins because someone is loud about them.

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Yeah but similar sentiment driven price drop relative to bitcoin happened to it. The instruments are different but I guess what I'm saying is BTC correlated products almost \_should\_ trade at a discount during a bear because of the inherent additional risk.

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Jeffrey Epstein had zero connections to the creator of BTC. This is such a vague and open ended topic that I'm almost tempted to lock it. Epstein almost certainly used computers, owned gold, used shoes and aerospace technology for travel and he drank water. Do you do any of those things? Did you do any of these that epstein did in his daily life?

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If they suspend the dividend what reason is there for anyone to invest in MSTR in the first place? The only reason it makes sense to have a company hold BTC for you is they can give you returns as dividends which is tax efficient in many places. That's literally the only reason MSFT has any value. If they suspend their dividends even for a year there is 0 reason to hold MSTR since what's stopping them from not paying dividends again in future when the only reason to ever hold MSTR is dividends.

We are tittering with recession, no one can afford anything but survival mode , everything is over priced, working full time gets you know where . 2008 is going to happen all over gain at a bigger scale and this is all due to Covid / stimulus checks/ money printing that occurred and probably was the plan from day one to inflate assets . If recession occurs BTC has a lot more to drop ….. A lot more .

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The barber selling feels like a signal because it usually is, but it works backwards on alts. With BTC, retail giving up actually thins the sell side since the supply is capped. Most alts have team and VC unlocks dripping in on a fixed schedule no matter who panics, so 'everyone capitulated' never really dries up the sellers the way it does for BTC. That's why an alt can keep bleeding long after the last retail holder has already left.

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I guess it depends on your buffer. How much of the BTC do you actually need for the downpayment compared to what it’s at now. You’re spouse is gonna be pissed if you can’t make the downpayment work 😂. On the other hand, I would in no way sell rn if I didnt have to

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This proves the case for BTC

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the part nobody talks about is the correlation structure during a flush. you go in thinking "BTC and SOL are correlated" - yeah, on the way up they move together. downside it falls apart. in the june 25 wick, BTC tagged its low but SOL went from the low 70s to ~64 in the same 4h candle. alts dumped faster and deeper. on cross margin your alt position eats into the collateral backing your BTC long - which on its own was fine at 3x. that's the trap. it's not just "leverage bad." it's that cross margin turns a portfolio of individually-ok positions into a single fragile bet on the weakest leg. isolated kills that linkage. each trade lives or dies on its own margin. sounds obvious but the UI on most exchanges defaults to cross and that default has probably caused more blowups than any single bad entry.

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The difference is AI is extremely overbought and BTC is oversold. The risk on AI is near maximum currently and the risk on BTC is low. BTC will almost definitely go lower, and AI will almost definitely go higher, but the risk is the important part. Many markets follow 4 year cycles. Buying the bottom is where wealth is made. BTC is near the bottom of its cycle and NVD is near the top.

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I think they made a mistake with BCH. As far as I understand, each BCH coin was split from a BTC coin with ownership copied and the 2 networks were separate. If BTC wants to be a store of value, they have to design a system where the BTC is moved between the networks. Otherwise BCH could succeed while BTC fails, because BCH does not need BTC. Rookie mistake.

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In Fidelity, I sold IBIT ETF for a loss and bought back BTC ETF. Fidelity didn't flag it as wash sale.

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None of that means the stock price will go up much more. Not saying it won’t but your logic is flawed. I don’t know what that has to do with BTC. “They” aren’t people?

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Do you currently own or ever own Bitcoin? Just curious. There are a couple of people I know who have great insights. One was saying last year that gold was going to go up quite a bit, which it did, so I asked, "Buddy, you should have made a lot of money." His response was, "Nope," as he didn't bet on gold. A different friend was saying BTC was going to go down to $70k-$60k, he was saying around November, if I remember correctly, and as we know, BTC did go down to $60k. But, like my other friend, it didn't benefit him as he didn't put any bet like shorting BTC or buying inverse MSTR or equivalent. The problem is most folks, including myself, put a lot of thesis. But do not execute it. What you are saying can happen, and for that, you should buy put options on BTC or buy inverse ETFs. That way, the loss is limited, but you will make quite a bit of money if your theory works while it's going down. And then you can use those gains to buy BTC at $10k, giving you generational wealth once it hits $100k. Now, what if BTC does not go down that much or even low 50's and recovers back to $100k and then makes an even ATH by next year or so, then what? A good trader or investor should have a plan on both sides. What is your plan if that happens?

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We are not talking about people and even *if* it is a bubble, the data centers are still being built and will be for several more years. But you know, maybe BTC will crash to zero, like they said over and over and over and over and over and over. . .

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I am slowly divesting from Intel (im 500% up rn) to pile on cash to invest it all in BTC when it hits $35k.

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BTC been holding from scratch are centimillionaires. Come on, dawg. You dumped your btc. You panicked when you saw BTC crashing 90% back in the day. Fast forward you're still here staring at charts every single day hoping BTC will "die"

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I mean, kind of? MSTR can survive BTC not doing well for a decade, but, yes, it's a risk based on bitcoin's price. However, the death spiral described isn't realistic unless bitcoin prices crash to sub $10k. At their current level, they're fine. Of course, if it stays at or around the current level into Feb 2027 (which I imagine it will), the debt obligations coming due will hurt, but not kill, the company. In short, I think they have some tough days ahead, but they should be fine assuming bitcoin remains as an appreciating asset.

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This doom posting about MSTR is peak bear posting - just wait until after Oct to start accumulating BTC and live happy

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Let me guess. You didn't hold. You sold your BTCs assuming you ever held BTC

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I finally have 0.1 BTC

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It's pretty good FUD to help hobble the bear market along but is starting to fade now. We'll need a new story. Look over there! China's going to ban BTC again! Quick! Panic sell everything!

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I'm generally a very boring investor, mostly index funds. But I bought seven BTC with some play money in 2013 and haven't bought or sold any since. I decided years ago that when I retire I'll sell, and whatever happens happens.

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Ask your AI about the cash reserve and the BTC runway. Or just go to their homepage.

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I will tell you one thing. Mark my words. Crypto is here to stay. Go back to buttcoin and tell your buddies how "BTC is dumping" keep celebrating every dip. 🥴

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only if they are forced to sell like 30% to 50% of their BTC holdings due to some crazy unlikely scenario. Tbh Satoshi's wallets are more of an actual time bomb than MSTR.

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No. There is no death spiral. There is no reason to sell any BTC. This is fud from people who don't know what they are talking about. They got 9-12 months of cash reserve for dividends. After that they can suspend the dividend and wait for the dept to mature without selling any BTC till either BTC recovers or dies. The death spiral theory is nonsence from people who should't be tweeting.

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Ofc it's bad. The point is that MSTR collapses if Bitcoin collapses. Obviously. The fudders will tell you that MSTR will collapse but BTC won't. They don't even understand the napkin math

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I mean, it is possible for shareholders to lose a lot of value long before getting wiped out. If MSTR is forced to sell just some BTC it can start a negative spiral in the BTC price which again can force MSTR to sell more BTC.

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The key here is every time you see an article that questions BTC and MSTR, just buy more

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Claude tells you what you want to hear. The only thing that can collapse Strategy is their convertible dept. It's 6 Billion. In order for shareholders to be wiped out, the BTC they hold must drop at 6 Bn value at the time the dept matures. The dept matures in tranches but it's at about 2029, so let's just say 2029. They got 850k BTC. Let's say it all goes to shit and they cannot accumulate more. Let's also assume they will be paying the STRC dividend obligations by selling BTC. All that gives us a BTC price of 10k. So if BTC drops to 10k and stays there till 2029, shareholders will potentially be wiped out, since it will be quite hard for MSTR to refinance. However the proffered stock cannot collapse the company. They can reduce or suspend the dividend at any time. So practically the BTC must go a bit lower, like I don't know 6-7k. In other words the Fudders are idiots. Put this in your AI

You, when BTC is back to 120k

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I’m on a one year timeline as we will know more about the interest rate risk which for me is one of the momentum killers. Also after a year we will know how the STRC picture plays out especially if BTC sales are needed to keep the perpetuation yields ongoing.

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Let me guess - 95% BTC and 5% ETH? Judging by the style of your comments I doubt you ever had a conversation with financial advisor or anyone who sat near him in the queue. Am I wrong?

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Dude. BTC was declared dead countless times. And it rekindled. It hit new ATHs.

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BTC "died" countless times. It rekindled and hit new ATHs.. just like that greek mythology bird the phoenix..

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I agree with you. Everyone will say that everyone says it will go down or collapse and it comes back every four years. But this is very different. MSTR holds so much that when it collapses, BTC will crash. Then recover. I’m pretty sure the 4 year cycle is dead. I think you have some good points. I’m holding because I’m down so much. I can just hope I come out on the other side.

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People won't lose interest in BTC at all. Lmao. There will be a swath of people will buy BTC. Many will see this an opportunity buy to buy sats cheap. That said. BTC and the crypto market a whole is here to stay.

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I'm regularly impressed that Bitcoin exchanges exist legally *at all*.  The early crypto startups went lawyer shopping and *none* of them could provide cover.  The whole thing is/was an unregulated security.  I still can't shake the feeling this whole thing could fall over anytime! The only thing sadder than BTC dropping to (checks notes) tens of thousands of dollars per coin is the fact that I was too poor to invest when it was a dollar!

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BTC is like a cockroach and alts are like the roach babies. They will survive

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BTC has peaked, everyone is out, ticking timebomb because of quantum computing. AFAIK, ETH is the only other asset in crypto that institutions are aggressively purchasing under classic Wyckoff (BMNR, VanEck, SBET, etc). Last cycle was different in that only BTC pumped, I think this time it's going to be Ethereum.

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MSTR only collapses if BTC collapses. Which isn’t gonna happen. BTC adoption has only grown stronger over time. So it’s ridiculous to think it will disappear

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You got people looking at Bitcoin through a Wall Street or get rich quick lens and a growing (17+ years) cohort looking at it as the greatest form of money ever created, a life raft away from the corruptions of government issued currencies. People who think inflation is a lie, pissed that they have to give up their time for the little green rectangles while a small group of people can print as many of them as they want for any purpose. That cohort isn't going to give up on BTC because of anything MSTR does.

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So I get what you are saying in the sense of a traditional investment. I guess I just do t equate BTC for example as a traditional investment so it’s hard for me to think $x and then it will hold at $x. Anywho. Thanks for the insight.

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Just wait for OpenAi and Anthropic to get on stock exchanges, by the time their prices start dumping, BTC and gold prices might be perfect for investment.

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sounds like you've been around long enough to see a zillion things come and go that did nothing useful to solve any real problems. and maybe understand how 99% of people with BTC don't think or use it anything like what the bitcoin paper said. maybe the real story is crypto has been distracting speculative money and attention from actually productive investments?

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Fool, never ever short on manipulated market. Whenever too many short, sone big player does a short squeeze by spiking the value. Bitcoin is slave to tech stock swings, there hasn’t been a case when stocks would drop and BTC didn’t, it’s be most reliable algorithmic trading signal there is.

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Why not both? I bought half BTC in 2025 and the other half in 2026. Best of both worlds 😆

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Well we’re going to have to disagree on the point that a change to the default size of a place specifically for arbitrary data I.e OP\_Return is not a risk. You think it isn’t - I think it is - I think you either have a blind spot on this point or are deliberately missing to recognise the precedence set. The key words are *default* and *arbitrary* data. The attack vector is simple - get CSAM into **that** space. Now Bitcoin may have some stuff buried away in some obscure space before is irrelevant. Bitcoin now becomes a piece of software that has default policies for storing arbitrary data of the worst kind of material. You can’t defend it because technically it’s CMOS transistors and binary code. No judge will accept that. It becomes difficult to legally and morally defend it because whilst as before, we could say bad actors doing bad things, in a place designed for monetary transactions, but with the arbitrary space, plausible deniability is gone. It’s like selling chainsaws to children and then saying after they hurt themselves “well we don’t encourage people hurting themselves with our chainsaw products” and expect not to go to jail. That’s not an acceptable form of defence like it or not, right or wrong. You as chainsaw manufacturer co have a legal duty of care to minimise harm. Default policies of large places for arbitrary data on project such as bitcoin potentially violate that duty of care. The care that Core should have been facilitating. Why risk it for block propagation speed tweaks? It doesn’t matter if you as an individual node runner filter it out. The moral and legal consequences are clear. Enemies of Bitcoin will use it his as an opportunity to say “see I told you - why would anyone be willing to run this stuff”. Central bankers, governments will be all over it. Look at what’s happening in Europe with digital censorship - they don’t need encouragement to one day declare BTC as illegal due to such concerns. Am I wrong. Maybe. Is it worth the risk making changes to the protocol unless we’re absolutely sure what we’re moving to (I.e large default OP\_Returns) is safer than before?

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Power law is real for many things - it’s odd that BTC price history follows it . But power law itself isn’t some sort of pseudo science others think it is . Maybe BTC will fail to follow or eventually but 15+ yrs is a decent track record

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Microstrategy's average on BTC is $66k. He's going to raise the average higher. If there's a flash crash he's going to send the entire crypto industry downward.

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You can buy btc with leverage, which is effectively the same thing and maybe less expensive. There is also the chance that MSTR will blow up if the price of btc stays down and they have to sell, pushing the price down more. Those are the reasons you might not by it, but if you think BTC will go up soon MSTR should also go up.

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If you saw 120k and thought - ya that’s a good entry and it’ll never dip again. You deserve it; and if I had to guess… it’s where a majority of BTC haters come from.

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The newest FUD is that Saylor is going to jail and the government is going to confiscate Strategy and take all their BTC.

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BTC will be used as money when hyper inflation brings average houses to $10m and salaries $1m.

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Swap everything for BTC and just wait for the next bull run. I swing trade at very long intervals personally so I just wait for entry and exit points. Give it some time after swapping and youll break even or make a profit.

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\+78% en 5 ans Apple +122% les rage quit vont commencer et ça va faire mal Le public “investisseur” (lol) en BTC n’est pas illimité attention au retour de bâton

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Mind you Bitcoin has been declining while stocks have been climbing. Now as stocks are starting to deflate from impossibly high values vs P/E, expect BTC to get a good bit faster descent. BTC couldn’t even maintain its value on stock bull season, so how do you expect it to fare in bear?

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Do you have other sources for that down payment? If can you still afford the home if Bitcoin goes down further? Bitcoin is money and money is meant to be spent. If purchasing a home is meaningful and desirable to you and your family, you do it. It is impossible to predict the future of the market. Bitcoin will always come back up greater than before, but do you have enough capital to afford increased housing prices at that point? I am in a similar situation with no offers made yet due to VHCOL. I sold my entire stack at only moderate, not life changing gains, due to the bear market, because if the bear market goes down further, I wouldn't be able to purchase a home for much more time, at least until it goes back up, which may take years. BTC was primarily my entire post-tax pile of capital, so it had to be done I luckily (or unluckily) am not 100% BTC, as I still have traditional S&P500 ETFs in my retirement accounts, so what I did was I just sold an equivalent amount of my ETFs and purchased an equivalent amount of paper Bitcoin via the Bitcoin ETF.

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Blockchain-wise, it's better than Bitcoin (BTC) in every way and has more features and available opcodes (except for Replace by fee). Price-wise, it's been doing horribly. Not an investment.

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You guys act like there’s some kind of agreement made where BTC has to go back up after a crash. Like it’s some guarantee…

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How do you think people get rich using BTC? How can it be worthless numbers and simultaneously provide wealth to people like you?

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If your dumping 2500 into any stock at once your doing it wrong. I start with about 20-30% of my powder on a good price range. Then when it dips 10%. If you do this every time it’s even slightly below your ideal price you will still win and destroy your average cost. With this bear market and recent 30% cut I’ve been DCA’ing into it starting at 70k ish. I’ve cut my cost about 8k down to 63k by just dcaing the fall. I own about 2k of BTC myself, and will be adding to it accordingly as we hit some delicious bottoms.

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I think we will beak down much further. There isn't really any support right now and BTC needs to find that, maybe in the low 50's.

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