BTC

devCheckingIn

That's true, but you're not going to get rich on steady, compound growth either. Unless you're already rich. People gamble with these shitcoins for the same reason people gambled with BTC early on.

Wise-Statistician172

Or, and hear me out, you HOLD it, because it is an *asset*, and as it matures in value, you borrow against it so that you can acquire more assets. Like grown ups do. BlackRock, Vanguard, BNY Mellon, Fidelity, State Street, Bank of America, pensions, sovereign wealth funds, the govt of Russia, etc., are not acquiring bitcoin because they are speculators. They are acquiring it, to the tune of millions of coins in 2026, because it is the apex asset. They are acquiring it slowwwly because, if they “spook the herd”, there will be panic / FOMO and the price will skyrocket. In the meantime, they manipulate the market and pay off media to hand wave and say, “nothing to see here”, “bitcoin going to zero…”. By sowing fear in the minds of retail — you — they purchase as much as they can *cheap*, before it moves to its intrinsic value. What is its intrinsic value? Who knows? In this year’s prospectus, BlackRock placed BTC ad the #1 rated maturing asset class for the next decade. There are currently approx $1.8QUADrillion in held assets worldwide. Bitcoin is the *only one* that is finite and diminishing. BTC will be 1/1,000,000th of a percent. Then 1/1,000th of a percent. Then 1/10th of a percent of all assets held. You / we are just SO FKG EARLY to the game, there’s no one yet in the stadium. EXCEPT FOR THE MOST IMPORTANT PLAYERS.

PotentTurnip

Right now I'm about 70/30 equities & BTC. Equities are all of 5 ETFs that capture the broader market.

iLikeEggzzzzz

5% BTC. 95% Fart Coin. I know what I got.

blackjackn

The usual. 401k with contributions up to my match, 529 for the kids, house w/ mortgage, small amount of physical gold...but any extra I throw into BTC.

Longjumping-Link-455

Never crunched the numbers but looks like I'm 20% in on BTC

BlacksmithPlane3988

BTC is 2% of portfolio. 2-5% cash. Rest are stocks and bonds.

44193_Red

I mean, the Clarity Act dead after Democrats all voted against moving BTC forward.

Savings-Following232

I rebalanced last month heading into the mid terms, 20% BTC/75% Bonds/ 5% stock. The bonds are through a debt fund, mostly treasury bonds that have performed surprisingly well. I’m going to shift that into a slightly more aggressive fund (VWENX) possibly next week after the inflation report Tuesday.

loc710

Greed will always win if you let it. Just buy BTC and don’t be a dummy

Wooden_Speaker_8440

60% MSCI world 10% Emergents 20% BTC 10% Gold

loc710

90% BTC 10% bills

Bongressman

BTC buy signal.

Bongressman

S&P, BTC spot and IBIT.

Wo0odi

Source? Data centers maybe, but that has nothing to do with BTC

PuzzleheadedBell4057

Equally BTC, ETH, SOL, XRP, LINK, HYPE, ZEC, DOGE, TAO, NEAR.

loc710

BTC is the only crypto, there is no second best

pirstaef

Lol, you can't understand what it feels to own BTC

44193_Red

but now they're actually trying to block BTC and Data Centers

Alexander-305

Extreme Fear is a useful label for the mood, but I would not treat 25 as a buy button on its own. The index mostly lags what already happened: a sharp dump, ETF redemptions, and equity beta spilling into crypto. By the time it prints Extreme Fear, a chunk of the forced selling is already in the rear-view. That is why "buy every Extreme Fear print" has mixed follow-through across cycles. What I care about more than the number: - Whether $75k holds a few daily closes instead of just one bounce candle - Whether BTC ETF flows stop bleeding for more than a day or two - Whether leverage rebuilds into the bounce (that usually means another flush is still on the table) Sitting is a valid third option when the setup is "sentiment is washed, structure is not." The index tells you people are scared. It does not tell you the selling is done.

jacd03

BTC mainly tbh, i will definitely buy SOL under $80 and HYPE under $70, let's see.

GalaxyDefender1x

I think BTC will be at $150k in 2029 12 months or more after the halving. That is the most I see it climbing.

DeadPhish-710

"Not sure there is anything to be excited about. The price of litecoin did not increase after the last three halvings. In fact, it dropped every time. Also if you look at a chart of the LTC/BTC ratio you will see it has spent the last 15 years trending towards zero. I would not be the least bit surprised to see litecoin continue that trend and underperform the rest of the market like it always has."

Romanizer

Yes, but when the original owner signs a RBF transaction sending the complete wallet as fee to the miners, the thief loses BTC by outbidding, so he loses the stolen BTC as well and ends up with less BTC than before.

cocotalouca

Yes but it’s stolen BTC, the thief doesn’t care about fees. Irs not their btc to begin with. Your theory doesn’t hold in the sense that it’s better, in the thieve’s perspective to earn some BTC, even losing half of it to fees, than nothing. Fees are no protection at all.

Alexander-305

One thing I'd add to the checklist is the perp side, because it tells you who is behind the bounce. Funding on BTC perps is basically flat right now, around +0.005% per 8h or lower on the venues I checked this morning, with price near 75.8k. So this recovery isn't being driven by leveraged longs paying up. That cuts both ways: there's no crowded long position to flush, but there isn't much conviction either. What would convince me: a reclaim of the 76.5k area on spot-led volume while funding stays roughly flat. If price grinds up and funding jumps at the same time, that's leverage chasing, and those moves usually get faded. On the other side, a break under the 74.7k wick with funding flipping clearly negative means shorts are piling in late, which more often sets up a squeeze than a clean continuation. Not advice, just how I'd separate a real higher low from a bounce.

AbSphere

J'ai un PRU (Prix de Revient Unitaire) actuellement de 68 350 €, et je détiens pour l'instant 0,0393 BTC. Ça fait que un mois que je me suis mets. Je suis entrer à 72000€. Que me conseillez vous, je fais achats reventes avec un take profil ou accumulation ?

Little-Ad8633

I bought 10 BTC 10 years ago for 600 each. $6000 now worth 750,000. So yes, you can make a ton if you remember time in any market always beats timing the market. Sure I have had great losses and incredible gains but I just ignored it. I spent the money for it and the money was gone. I am now retired with a healthy portfolio to live on without touching my BTC. It is my go-bag if I ever need it, but I can also can leave a legacy for my children and grandchildren to help them through life. Start young and have an infinite horizon and you will win the game. This is the way!

bonkersbongoo

The eip-7702 is an ethereum feature. The didn’t steal btc by exploiting it. BTC was stolen by other ways. Maybe next time ask your AI to write something that makes sense?

Ok_Golf_6467

BTC, ETH, SOL, UNI, HYPE, and sprinkle in a couple AI or meme fun plays. The big thing being with alts, is taking profit and rolling it back into BTC to store

pulsarstarter

This post is about Altcoins. * **Even ETH (the largest and most prominent alt) is down over 50% in 5 years** * **BTC itself is only up 20% in 5 years** You also ignored everything I said about tax. Crypto has been an objectively terrible investment

MrMoo151515

BTC sits at \~$80k/coin in 17 years of its existence. Totally a failed experiment. Pack it up boys

Cryptocodes_eu

There’s no magic amount of BTC you “should” own. Start with your budget, not someone else’s stack: keep emergency savings separate, avoid borrowing, and only invest money you can afford to lose. Small regular purchases can spread out your entry price, but they don’t guarantee a profit even after five years.

DankShibe

Most coins went into bear market since the January 2025 tarrifs . Only Zcash , Monero, hype and TRX did well since then for both 2025 and 2026. BTC , BNB and XRP were strong in 2025 but then they also tanked

baacode_

Zcash was propped up crap from the beginning. Except for BTC and eth the current top 10 is a fucking sham

Keysar_Sozee

Did you mean the BTC investment group or ***the*** BTC investment group. It’s not the same you know, it’s invite only.

Big_Percentage_7541

Monero mostly cause everybody uses it on the darknet. That was the usecase also for BTC in the early times. Hype cause it's not following BTC, this is also true to Hype.

0x456

BTC halving also next year?

mcalibri

If I had to bet WW 3 vs BTC to 1 million, I'd bet WW 3 comes first.

nugymmer

None. They are virtually all just hyped junk, aside from a very select few and even then you are better off sticking to BTC!

Top-Promise-7742

BTC

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ubermensch1001

The best answer to this would honestly be to just buy BTC. Sure, a lot of the big name alts everyone can think of probably won't go to $0, but there is a solid chance they will do little to nothing and just continue to bleed. Bcash is a good example. It went on a crazy run going into 2017 as the real BTC, it peaked at over 4k that year. It then tanked to a bit under $100 in late 2018 and spent 2019-2020 ranging around $100-$500 or so. In the spring of 2021 it peaked at $1400 and then crashed down to the lows of the previous cycle. It's spent YEARS lingering around $100-$600. At time of writing, it is trading at $260. Litecoin is another example. It peaked at $400 in 2017 tanked to as low as $20 in late 2018. In 2019-2020 it spent a lot of time around $40-$50 and in the spring of 2021 it peaked at $400, so it did reach it's previous all time high. Since the highs of 2021, it spent most of 2022 through now at a similar range, with $40 being the absolute lows but with a lot of time around $50-$60. It's had a few moments near $100 or even a bit above it but that's about it. As I'm writing this it is at $52. With these two examples, if you bought the lows you wouldn't be down with regards to $. The biggest issue is that if you had simply bought BTC instead you would have been way better off. In 2019-2020 you would have been buying BTC at 10k or under. In 2022-2023 you would have been buying at 16k-30k.

Kazixt

Oooo this morning it was BTC BAD now it's a rebound. The crypto market is pure speculation. Why do you think it goes up and down with the stock market. You can make a killing if your ass is willing to bet big on overnight bids. Made 15$ once recently off of a leveraged 100x leveraged .20 bet. I dunno. I at least like the spinning reals of a slot machine more than watching red and green candles.

Romanizer

The thief is spending hundreds of billions to build a machine that is able to break Bitcoin, while not making any revenue with it as the capacity is completely blocked by cracking keys. If the victim of the attack decides that it is better to give the whole 50 BTC of each wallet to miners instead of to the thief, the incentive for such an attack falls to zero. Would they still spend money to build that machine?

martinez-k60

If you're willing to learn, 2-of-3 multisig across vendors is the serious answer. Practice restoring it with a tiny amount first; the easiest way to lose BTC is building a setup you can't recover.

Several_Razzmatazz71

While it's true that in Paraguay was caused by fraud, deposits can be paid back in their domestic currency which they control. That's disengenous to say that the executives of those banks that went under in 2023 in the US are blameless. They were negligent in their jobs. The point is, there are many mechanisms in place to make people whole. The whole point of a currency is to enable economic transactions among each other, even if its purchasing power declines over time. Paraguayans or anybody else has the ability to invest their fiat currency at any point in time that preserves their purchasing power over time. Just as if you were paid in USD you can invest into stocks or bonds, even if the purchasing power of the USD erodes over time. You only lose purchasing power if you keep all your cash under the mattress, which isn't advised. What do you think would happen if people used BTC as a currency? Oh financial institutions would arise that store and lend other peoples BTC. What do you think would happen when fraud occurs and this exact scenario took place? Well none of the authorities would be able to print BTC, and everybody is SOL? It's no different than what actually happened under a gold standard. This is just reinventing the circle all over again. This doomerism has nothing but ulterior motives to push the price of your investments in BTC up.

GalaxyDefender1x

Invest into BTC only what you wont need for 5 or more years... I started more than a year ago.. and I am still UNDERWATER. Expect that to happen to you. I was up like $100 dollars once. for like a week... NO FUN

Pathbauer1987

I remember when hodlers were saying that BTC was supposed to be a hedge against economic recessions.

MeriticulousOne

Done this myself. Biggest thing beyond price drop is the liquidation threshold and whether they rehypothecate your collateral. Coinbase is variable so your rate can climb. Figure Markets and Ledn do fixed rate BTC loans, no credit check. At 40-50% LTV you've got cushion but know the margin call level.

Greifvogel1993

Just put your money into physical assets. BTC and the supply are fungible. They are not as secure as you are led to believe (Binance), and the value of it is HEAVILY dependent on the M2 and supply. Nobody ‘likes’ bitcoin for the coin. People ‘like’ land for the space. People ‘like’ gold for the luster But something tangible, non-fungible, that people actually value.

laoge300

I’m worried that Ledger might misappropriate the funds, so I’ve set up a multisig wallet using both Trezor and Ledger, and have moved my BTC from Ledger into this multisig wallet.

Pristine_Cricket_633

If BTC needs AI liquidity to go up then bitcoin is cooked.

PeacockMamba

I’ve lost passwords (not seeds) to dat files with over a dozen BTC.. at the time it was worthless & I wrote the random character password in a notebook that is no longer around. That was 12 years ago, lol. Still have the .dat and will crack it eventually. 3 stricks and it locks, but I think I can make 1000+ copies and brute force it…. ?

PeacockMamba

This is advanced. For those of you who’ve been here early… I’m Holding a physical HDD with .dat files in a safety deposit box. Why? Because the BTC are VERY old and there’s at least 10 in each file. Passwords are in a relatives box at a different bank.

getcoinline

ETF shares vs. owning BTC directly: an ETF in a brokerage or retirement account is simple and tax-friendly in some setups, but you can't withdraw or send it. Owning the coins means you can self-custody, but you're responsible for security. Neither is wrong; just know which one you're buying.

CeldrellMaxwell

The fact that BTC has held strong at a low of 75K despite all the terrible things that have happened in the past two weeks tells me NO. you’re dreaming. Institutions are holding and buying more

SavingsLettt

The correlation with US equities is getting harder to ignore. BTC isn't trading in isolation anymore.

omni_wisdumb

If you think investing in BTC in 2026 is the same as having invested in "the Internet" in 1995, then you're a clown. The 'internet" in these examples are companies, and they were invested in as startups, you also knew very quickly if it made it or not. Investing in BTC 17 years after it's inception is very very very different.

10kpizza

Yes thats not possible under this scheme. In that situation much better would be to move the coins before Q-day. Or use the DropKick scheme for recovery if your wallet has a seed phrase backup (which pretty much all wallets since 2013 do). This landmine idea looks like its mainly aimed at the 2009/10-era 50BTC mined coins which have never moved.

Potential-Royal-1704

Since the BTC address is real and the transactions when traced splits up and the last wallet has 23 BTC in it today just sitting there, I'd suggest you go to directory 'misc/turtle' (that's where the tortoise lives) and do a 'ls -a' command to see if there's any hidden files. Then check if there's multiple accounts on that laptop and check all their bash history. Proceed from there. Goodluck.

Doppelapfel007

or maybe he discovered BTC is not so stupid, and vanished.

gigasawblade

So you would have to have amount equal to the full wallet balance available or you can't move the funds? This doesn't sound good.. I mean imagine you have an old wallet with 100BTC and you want to transfer 0.001 out of it. Is it at all possible and what is the collateral under this proposal?

MrStarrrr

It is if you consider that you wouldn’t only be able to buy 7.6% of a car, you’d be able to buy the whole car still. For simplicity sake, say a nice car costs $76k, 1 BTC now. If I still have my $76k in USD when the cost of a nice new car is $1MM USD, I can’t buy the car. If I have 1 BTC and the price of BTC = $1MM USD, I can buy the car. If I purchased at a price point lower than $1MM USD then I have a positive rate of return *because* I can still purchase the same item. In this scenario, BTC is a hedge against inflation. We don’t know if that’ll be true or to what extent.

givemeyourbiscuitplz

I usually get attacked when I say that self custody of BTC is extremely complicated. It's only a very small fraction of the population who are willing to learn all there is to learn to do it. Over a certain age, forget about it. And here we see someone who's apparently tech savvy, with 10 years of experience, who lost an amount that could be soul crushing for a lot of people. So I'm sorry, but btc is still not safe, and will remain fringe technology probably forever. Another digital asset could be chosen as a world currency. BTC is mainly used for speculation, and let's be real, if there wasn't a possibility for huge gains 99% of you would not even look at it.

Embarrassed-Cat-3548

No but seriously- BTC is as valuable as the people think it is. Problem is that people are stupid

Necessary-Pair-6556

LMAO I had to laugh too man.. OP is one of those deluded minions who think BTC will take over the world and replace all fiat money.

ZedZeroth

> 888,300 BTC meant for the next 113 years of miners, pulled forward into the attacker's blocks Wow. Within what timeframe?

Bagmasterflash

It’s not that hard. Bitcoin was created to supplant the rotting macro economy. Everyone who bought the BTC lie is culpable in bring about all this crypto levered bullshit.

devCheckingIn

Because nobody wants to buy BTC.

cleanuponaisle4

This is exactly why BTC was created. Unfortunately, all I hear on the news is how much of a scam it is. Nobody talks about this use right here.

Next-Barber-6504

Bought 661 BTC at $75,600, and I'm currently up $235,126 usd :) ... \*On my paper trading account 🥲

Zhytaleks

BTC Update — November 6 Bitcoin briefly moved below the $75,000 support zone, reaching approximately $74,811 before recovering toward $75,600. This is an important reaction, but not yet confirmation of a bullish reversal. On the 1H chart, BTC remains below its short-term moving averages, while the 4H structure continues to favor caution. I'm watching two key scenarios: - Bullish: BTC reclaims and holds $75,900–$76,000, potentially opening the way toward $76,500–$76,700. - Bearish: BTC loses $75,000 again and breaks below $74,811, increasing the risk of further downside. The next hourly and four-hour candle closes should provide more clarity. Do you see this move below $75K as a liquidity sweep, or just a temporary pause in the downtrend?

GentleDerp

I’ve heard about the group with the BTC CEO. I want in.

Zhytaleks

That's a useful update, and I agree that the key question now is whether this was a liquidity sweep or a genuine breakdown. A quick move back above $75K is encouraging, but I'd want to see that level hold on a retest before treating it as support again. If BTC keeps closing below $75K on the hourly chart, the bearish scenario becomes more convincing. For now, I think confirmation matters more than trying to predict the exact bottom. Are you watching spot volume as well to distinguish a genuine recovery from a temporary bounce?

Jurgenlklopp

Always has been this way. News > Nasdaq > BTC > Altcoins

stonktradersensei

You have a BTC etf, so you just have exposure. But you own 0 btc. Not your keys not your coin

Romanizer

I mean, that's the least I would expect from OG Bitcoiners. Also makes your transaction propagate faster. This could also work as a good kill-switch for Satoshis wallets. If a transaction is spotted send the whole amount (50 BTC) as fee. That way his Bitcoin get distributed without the thief getting anything.

LearnBitcoinCom

Thanks, that's a clearer way to say why it matters than we managed. A 51% attacker can already censor, but the time warp lets them take something the protocol promised to someone else: in our simulation, on paper at least, all of the remaining subsidy, about 888,300 BTC meant for the next 113 years of miners, pulled forward into the attacker's blocks. Would you mind if we added your "steal subsidy from future miners" framing to the page, credited to you?

Zhytaleks

Yes, and that makes the next few hourly closes particularly interesting. The question now is whether BTC can reclaim $75K and hold above it, or whether the breakdown turns into sustained selling pressure. A brief move below support isn't necessarily the same as a confirmed breakdown.

Zhytaleks

Yes, and that makes the next few hourly closes particularly interesting. The question now is whether BTC can reclaim $75K and hold above it, or whether the breakdown turns into sustained selling pressure. A brief move below support isn't necessarily the same as a confirmed breakdown.

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21Moto

Correction. You have 0.00000000 BTC.

Zhytaleks

That's a useful update, and I agree that the key question now is whether this was a liquidity sweep or a genuine breakdown. A quick move back above $75K is encouraging, but I'd want to see that level hold on a retest before treating it as support again. If BTC keeps closing below $75K on the hourly chart, the bearish scenario becomes more convincing. For now, I think confirmation matters more than trying to predict the exact bottom. Are you watching spot volume as well to distinguish a genuine recovery from a temporary bounce?

Darkpriest667

go ahead and just dm me your private keys instead -- it would be a lot safer than joining any BTC telegram investment group

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LearnBitcoinCom

Sadly every other node compares your timestamp with the median of the last 11 blocks, so those twelve BTC live on a chain of one.

na3than

The main proposal is that any attempt to move funds from a legacy address would need to be accompanied by an equal amount from a quantum-safe wallet. > Fields would attach a financial penalty to trying. Under his example, stealing 1 BTC would require the attacker to supply another 1 BTC from a quantum-safe wallet. Both coins would then be locked for a waiting period, such as 30 days.

PhoenixProtocol

In what way? Unless Bitcoin will get wide scale adoption, and the average Joe can safely buy / send it to their wallet, it's just not for the average person. Yes everyone (or most people) can learn how to do it, but it's not really an out of the box experience so to speak. At least if you buy an ETF, you're still exposed, can some day in the future sell and buy an equivalent BTC, and you negate some of the major risks that we currently have this year. Let's say you told your grandmother a decade ago to buy bitcoin, bought her a ledger, and now her coins are gone. Unless she might have followed the news (nowadays either Reddit or communities), she wouldn't have known this was going on and could've moved the coins if they were still there. For now btc is just too complicated and that's fine, look how far we've come in the past decade. Most people under let's say 50-60 know at least vaguely what bitcoin is, that's a good thing. Give it another decade and see where we are then.

devCheckingIn

Looks like BTC won't be correlated with NASDAQ today.

nassereddit

You have an IOU for 0.099999 BTC, the manager got paid....now it is 0.099998...0.099997

Desperate_Buy4871

BTC is the definition of volatile....

FoucaultCareofSelf

*dont have fundamentals besides hype.* I mean, that's nonsense too. I'm not hijacking a BTC thread with Eth, but how does ethereum not have fundamentals besides hype? It's demonstrably being adopted by some major financial players -- perhaps tentatively and certainly not fully. But the adoption side (less so the valuation side) is absolutely analyzable.

Embarrassed-Cat-3548

Yes, the irony is I believe in BTC as moral idea and technological implementation but I don’t believe in people to start using it which reduces this great idea and tech to speculation.

New_Glass_3502

MSBT has a lower expense ratio if you wanna have more money in BTC. I have an equivalent of 1.4 BTC in MSBT

Sad-Froyo-3198

BTC has already succeeded. The network is useful, global, and secure. You don't have to care about dollar value, but your post is about the value of btc compared to tech stocks. Dollars are just an easy way to quantify value.

Embarrassed-Cat-3548

Buy it from me. I have a sell order for you - 1 mil per 0.01 BTC

FoucaultCareofSelf

I think I understand ethereum/eth's fundamental *questions* (big picture, I am not technical at all) better than Bitcoin's. But for Bitcoin, I believe the only thing that matters is: will major institutional pools of wealth (huge asset managers, sovereign wealth funds, endowments, hedge funds) allocate a meaningful (1%? 2? 3?) percent of portfolios to Bitcoin as an asset class? I don't believe anyone can say whether or not they will. I can't stand all the smug hand-waving about Bitcoin's inevitability, nor do I like the "bro it's totally worthless" shit either. But the question of Bitcoin's attractiveness to those players is entirely open as of now. It cannot be answered. I do believe IF some threshold is crossed, IF Bitcoin IS seen as a pristine store of value type asset, there could be a game-theoretic institutional run in that could send BTC prices skyrocketing. But this is the only way it happens, IMO. TA will tell nothing about this, zero, unless you count actual indicators that wealth pools are starting to allocate meaningfully to BTC.

TakeDMT

Sell your BTC man, it’s not for you

Embarrassed-Cat-3548

Yep, I do self custody - otherwise it’s just a speculation. I would like not to care about the dollar value, however BTC can only succeed if most people start caring for the satoshis and not the usds