BTC

Xiximaro

What worries me more is the instituitions trying to manipulate Strategy stock... Wether we like it or not, Strategy is heavely tied to BTC. If they slump, BTC adoptions falls too I think. I still don't see the angle, is it linked to BTC ETF's?

JMeucci

I actually had something similar happen to me while on BlockFi. "Earn BTC by trading" earned me .0017 BTC. They accidentally credited my account 17 BTC. For roughly 12 hours I had ~$970k of BlockFi's BTC in my account until they corrected their mistake. Not worth xferring out and being on the run forever. However, one more decimal point would have been a different story. Although had I known BlockFi's eventual outcome it might have been a fun two years.

Olmops

It will be option A. Why? Simple take: Because it is less controversial. It just offers an option and preserves the freedom to use it or not. It will be difficult enough to find out how exactly this option will be structured. Maybe it even needs nore than one? (though I doubt that) More sophisticated: Option B is just straight bad, even if that is not obvious: 1) Option B needs to set a time. No matter which time you pick, it will always be either too early or too late. Either the quantum attack happens before or people will pop up claiming that "their" coins were locked just before they wanted to become active again etc. No one would be able to tell whether they tell the truth, because they could have the quantum computer. Option B will cause controversies around the timing. 2) If a quantum computer breaks the encryption and someone transfers coins away then either \- they were either YOUR coins -> you did not take option A before the attack, so no deadline for option B would have saved you! \- they were coins of someone else. That person is either dead, lost their keys or did not pay attention. No deadline for option B would have saved them. To YOU, it is just one random transfer of coins from one 3rd party to another 3rd party. So what? The only reason why someone would want option B is that they fear it has a negative market impact because someone dumps millions of BTC on the market. That risk is real. But it is not a given that it will happen (quantum computer owner would crash the value of their own assets) and then again... crashes happen. See this week. How can the community try to object when someone does stuff with coins they control? Why don't we revert the chain to last week because BTC price was higher then? Sounds ridiculous? I would add that the mere existence of vulnerable coins is an incentive for everyone to research quantum computers quicker. While I disagree with most claims of "Bitcoin fixes this, Bitcoin fixes that..." I could really see a positive impact on research speed in this case.

gemanepa

>a discount for others A discount to what exactly? Price-wise it has performed like shit for years when compared with BTC or SOL I have been diamond hands into ETH for years now and I'm not selling, but the disappointment is real

DangerHighVoltage111

>That may be subjective, but the narrative and fundamentals didn't really change. It is not subjective, it is simply propaganda. BTC is thriving on the fact that it got the branding and presents itself as OG. A narrative shift doesn't fit in well with that. But it absolutely happened. Do you remebere NYKNYC how often do you hear it today? Or Spend&Replace? The only thing left is "Hodl" and the one that coined that term later said it was a stupid term because Bicoin was meant to spend and earned not hodled. >We can see that the proposed change in block size was not a good idea as the forks that chose to were rejected by the market and are now basically dead-ends. The market that is measured in printable dollars and even in fake printable dollars called Tether which were big buddies of blockstream who with the help of epstein employed CORE devs and hijacked Bitcoin? Get out of the bubble they, so skillful, crafted for you. >So yeah, not worth the trade-off Only if you are a FIAT Maxi and FIAT price is your only directive.

sqtr-

>There is no larger decentralized network with 100% backwards compatibility. You first pretend scaling blockchain while preserving security is fundamentally impossible, then you bring up this completely unrelated concept of backwards compatibility, I wonder why. Almost like you know it's not *that* impossible after all and you are just looking for excuses for why BTC won't do it. >If you had bitcoin in 2009 on a raw public key (before there were even obscured addresses), you can still spend it today with the current version of the software. This is true about virtually any cryptocurrency. You don't even know what this super important backwards compatibility means, yet it was worth sacrificing any usefuleness. >There has never been a reversal of a transaction That's not true. >Just look at Muun wallet and see how seamless the UI can be for it. Muun doesn't really use lightning network. It stores all your BTC on-chain and whenever you want to send BTC to a lightning channel, you send it to Muun via on-chain transaction and they execute the lightning payment on your behalf. Which of course kills any scaling benefits. If the wallet was truly using lightning, you could tell because the UI would be much worse. A lot of people believe they are using lightning while in reality they are using a wallet which is either custodied or only pretends to use lightning like Muun. Which is okay, because lightning was never meant to be used, its whole reason for existence is to serve as a talking point which admittedly it does well. >Most people believe the narrative of how layer 2 doesn't work even though it does. Layer 2 works if done properly and backed by strong enough L1. Lightning doesn't.

Rory_1354

Read the post again. BTC in the long run will be ok, lots of Alts will fade away. Stop lashing out and convert your shitcoins to BTC. You'll be a lot less stressed!!

Crypto_future_V

Check the transaction ID. If it is confirmed the BTC is already gone

DangerHighVoltage111

BTC lost its identity completely when it got full blocks in 2017. They even canceled that tiny 2MB increase to make the pain even bigger. In consequence the narrative shifted and the BTC of today is not the freedom spreading self custodial p2p cash that it was anymore. Instead it is a gambling token that the old money happily joins to milk the poor. 💩 "Not worth the trade offs"

Inevitable_Rip9815

You are right, in my second contribution to my investments i add more to BTC to rebalance. I am.fine with volatility in the short-term as i am.not going to use that money in 6-8 years.

anymonero

APR for WBTC dropped below .01%, USDC is at 2.5%. So that would mean they don't expect BTC will go up by more than 2.5% in the next year.

ChripToh_KarenSy

Agreed, I would have done the same. Funny thing is some customers sold the BTC on the platform, which bought Bithumb some time to freeze the USDT/USDC that were exchanged from the BTC the customers sold. Not to mention the current price of BTC is not attractive for selling as well, so they should have just transferred those BTC to their wallets and hold.

Revolutionary-Rub103

Yes, you essentially always keep your BTC allocation at the same level

Nagemasu

> people who are maxis for BTC or ETH (or any project) are just weird lol "people who prefer the only cryptos to ever show true promise and use are weird". yeah bud, it's "not weird" to keep throwing your money away supporting projects that don't return any value to you except if you were one of the first people to ever invest in it, or are a whale and can manipulate the prices. I like *the idea* of what some other cryptos say, but literally none of them are profitable long term holds. BTC is the only crypto which has proven itself to be worth the investment in the past 5 years - even if there are others which were profitable, the likely hood they are either profitable or still exist in another 5 is very slim.

DangerHighVoltage111

>It hasn't failed. It's the trillemma. You can't have security AND speed AND scalability. From the time this bullshit argument was first spoken till today tech advanced so much that BTC could easily 100x the blocksize without making node running any more expensive. The fact that they don't, tells you anything you need to know. The trilemma is a red herring. LN failed, even maxis admit that by now. https://np.reddit.com/user/DangerHighVoltage111/comments/1ne1qyt/ln_fails/ But you regurgitated all the BCH slander textbook talking point, so you get a cookie 🍪.

Electrical_Fact5832

Usually when everyone is waiting for something (50k-40k) it doesn’t happen. But this year is still good for accumulation. We are going to range between 70 and 90 until the end of 26. Then it will be the last time we see a 5 digit BTC. In 2029 we might have 200k-300k. In 2033 : 500k-600k. In 2036 : 800k-1M.

mastermindman99

I did HOFL until this year. 12 years. Never sold. But in February I got out and I will never go back. Why? By early 2026, the Bitcoin story changed quietly. For years, the core idea was simple: Bitcoin was money outside the reach of governments. No central authority, no confiscation risk, no political influence over the system itself. Then the U.S. created its Strategic Bitcoin Reserve. Not by buying coins like an investor, but by consolidating what it had already seized over the years—Silk Road, ransomware, darknet markets, sanctions cases. The official number was around 200,000 BTC, but many analysts estimated the real total closer to 300,000 coins across various agencies and custody structures. That alone made the U.S. one of the largest Bitcoin holders on earth. At the same time, the mining map had shifted. After China’s ban, industrial mining moved into the United States. Huge facilities, often framed as “green data centers,” were built with subsidized energy deals, public incentives, and institutional financing. Large, publicly traded mining companies became the backbone of the network. If a majority of global hashrate sits inside one jurisdiction—and that jurisdiction is the United States—then the system is no longer politically neutral. And if a government holds hundreds of thousands of coins and influences more than 50% of the hashrate, it doesn’t just participate in Bitcoin. It controls the system’s two critical levers: • supply, through its reserve • validation, through mining jurisdiction At that point, Bitcoin isn’t outside the state anymore. It’s inside it. The Federal Reserve, for all its power, is at least structurally independent and has to justify its actions. But a strategic Bitcoin reserve held across federal agencies—combined with jurisdiction over the majority of mining—creates a system with far less transparency and far fewer constraints. That was the moment BTC broke. Now every USD you spend to buy a coin is nothing more than a donation to stabilize the USD. I sold in February this year after more than 12 years HODLing. And I do advice: do the same.

jkl2035

Cause this guy sits on a BTC/crypto nuclear bomb

avatar_leo

Agreed, One guy brought 713k BTC, the rest brought folding chairs. The math doesn’t lie.

CharacterPizza3302

Over the next 10 years, BTC will outperform investing in an ETF.

CharacterPizza3302

It want BTC to tank. Just a bit. A little bit more. Then stop tanking. 

Pyropiro

My sad story. I put everything into BTC at 2k in 2017. Then I started trading. I now have about 3000 USD in crypto left after 9 years. Thanks for listening.

rs1971

There's no practical use case for it and no reason to be confident that the monetary policy won't change again. Honestly, there's no real use case for sny of this crap. BTC has the store of value narrative which may or may not pan out, but all the rest of it is going to zero or close to it. I don't mean to imply that some of the projects aren't interesting, because some of them are. But the tokens aren't investmrnts.

K-2111

BTC will be soon a 100% transparent, coverment controlled and highly taxed digital garbage asset. In times of a dept crise the worst thing you can hold

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; The article analyzes the top 100 public companies holding Bitcoin in 2026, highlighting corporate treasury strategies and global adoption. Strategy (MSTR) leads with 713,502 BTC, representing 62.9% of holdings among the top 100 companies. Collectively, these companies hold 1,133,469 BTC, with the USA dominating with 71 entities. Mining firms feature prominently, and geographic concentration is evident in North America. The report underscores Bitcoin's growing role as a corporate asset and its implications for market dynamics and institutional legitimacy. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

Seattleman1955

You don't need to add "more". That's a good reason for not investing in BTC. Who wants an "investment" that you can buy cheaper later?

matthegc

I’m with you in spirit but just be responsible….BTC isn’t shooting up to $1M anytime soon. Make you have enough to get buy as well.

scintillatingsin

Im expecting BTC to hit 46-56k region at some point. If you plan to HODL, don’t freak out with the draw down. Worst case bear market bottom 25-35k

Horror-Sector7498

When everything pumps together, it’s usually **macro liquidity + Bitcoin leading the move** Rate expectations, risk-on sentiment, and institutional flows lift BTC first, then alts follow A lot of it is **sentiment and leverage**, not pure fundamentals I watch **BTC dominance, funding rates, and volume** to judge if it’s healthy or overheated

malte_brigge

One reason might be if you're asset-rich but income-poor. You need income in order to pay back the loan sooner or later, or even to make the interest payments on it. And of course it's much easier to lose $1.3 billion worth of BTC permanently than to lose $1.3 billion in the bank (provided it's an American bank, for now).

Hot_Philosopher3199

Why would you be shocked. All the evidence is there. History is there. If you read anything critically about the BTC Cycle this would not be shocking. If you get your education from this Sub, of course you are shocked

Ok-Buy-9583

$BSV and $BCH. Those Versions will skyroxket. Lot‘s of people are angry because the digital gold narrative and inflation hedge of BTC is fading and the connection to Epstein. More and more tweets popping up showing interest in those forks. I’m in. Just bought some $BSV and $BCH 🤑

Hot_Philosopher3199

Anybody with $70,330 has 1 bitcoin worth of wealth. There will always be BTC to be bought. People just need to want to buy one. The statistic being thrown around is "98% of people don't know about it yet" is nonsense. By almost everybody knows about it, they just choose not to buy it. Two very different things!

UserComputerMonitor

FIAT printer is slow. BTC is low. Wait to add you FOMO

AmazingRoberto

If and when I cash out on this, the taxes will be a problem. Taking profit, buying back in, etc, etc… not worth it. Ride waves….. and we know, we don’t cash out. We borrow against it when the lending and banking laws allow. No taxation and we hold the superior asset BTC over USD.

Sharks4Life34_43

ICP and SOL, but I’m even going mildly on those. When I buy back in at the end of the year and start this cycle again, it will be mainly BTC

PsychologicalBit803

Go check out a gold sub….just mention BTC there or anything about gold and watch. People are crazy on Reddit. I believe in BTC all the way but I’m not bashing someone if they say they don’t. I don’t get it. It’s like these people require everyone in the world to agree with them or be damned!

TheMaharishiEffect

Chill bro. Enough allocated into BTC for retirement.

Rare-Distribution679

BTC is going to $50k

Notoriousrb

True but what's concerning is how fast it happened and stocks haven't even been hit that bad. If stocks get hit and stay down, BTC is in for a lot of pain

rgnet1

It hasn't failed. It's the trillemma. You can't have security AND speed AND scalability. Keeping the protocol stable, the blocks consistent, is the ultimate security. There is no larger decentralized network with 100% backwards compatibility. If you had bitcoin in 2009 on a raw public key (before there were even obscured addresses), you can still spend it today with the current version of the software. There has never been a reversal of a transaction, no takebacks controlled by a small entity in charge of its governance. That matters. Layer 2 (lightning) is the scaling solution that sacrifices some of the security. It's designed for smaller volumes. It works great. Just look at Muun wallet and see how seamless the UI can be for it. Most people believe the narrative of how layer 2 doesn't work even though it does. A narrative spun by people who want their own bitcoin shitfork or altcoin to rise up. All the forks are fringe dev teams, usually led by a non-tech business idiot, that think they have a solution - or at least they want to convince others they do because they put their money into it. But no one has a guaranteed solution, it's just an alternative. And the market decided each time that the original bitcoin protocol makes the most sense. We know this because the largest shitfork (BCH) has <1% market cap of BTC.

RetiredAvocado

Just moving BTC around is not a taxable event. You'd have to have *some semblance" of proof that it was stolen, rather than used to pay for something. Are you willing to file a police report and get various paperwork in place? And never ever have that "stolen" BTC come back linked to your uncle's girlfriend's brother who got more money in the bank or a new car?

ImpersonalFinances

oh god Freudian slip--AFC win = good for BTC

theincognito66

You might want to edit your post because you say that BTC is going to be down either way 🤣

Any_Coyote6662

The erroneous comma is missing me off tho. Why do BTC fans need to write so poorly? 

RetiredAvocado

It's cheaper to not pay any interest at all of course. You'll pay the extra 1.1% with after tax dollars, so your loan cost will be slightly higher than 1.1%. And also your HYSA earned interest will be taxed too so slightly more yet. If you're talking about short term and it's a few bucks here or there in borrowing costs, meh, do the BTC backed loan. But it comes with the added worry of debt overhead.

Key-Barnacle-4185

>According to local reports, the incident was related to a "Random Box" giveaway event, where the exchange planned to distribute up to 50,000 Korean won to winners. However, something allegedly went wrong during the distribution process, and some recipients who were supposed to receive 2,000 Korean won (~$1.36) received 2,000 BTC+10.30%. ($139.4 million) instead. Don't know how, but I would try to instantly send that money out and disappear

One-Platypus3440

It’s the Epstein files I think that’s why a lot of people sold. They think mossad or Epstein took over or were behind BTC

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Chrysalis1111

Less than a million. Onchain says there are less than a mill wallets with a whole BTC or more, which may not be indicative of the no. of individuals given that there is no limit to how many wallets can a single individual hold, but I do not believe there is a man who accumulated a whole one and does not want to see it on the screen. And those who have a lot (dozens or hundreds or thousands even) probably hold it on several wallets, each more than one BTC. So I think the number is pretty small.

hyper24x7

Oh shit that reminds me I need to buy more BTC today!

ThreeTonChonker

My favorite part of the bitcoin cycles on reddit is that exposes so much. During the crash: 1. Default subs (technology, investing, economy, etc) You see the default subs in ecstasy over crypto falling. Why? Because they feel eternally guilty and stupid for not investing a decade ago. If bitcoin falls then they could convince themselves they’re not so stupid after all. 2. /r/cryptocurrency You see this subreddit brigaded hard with thousands of upvotes on any slightly bad news. It becomes glaringly obvious how many bots and haters only come here to troll and manipulate. Honestly this sub is absolute garbage in general. 3. /r/Bitcoin You see the newbies in the Bitcoin subreddit melting down. Plenty of vets to talk them off the ledge but the fear takes hold regardless. Then the sky clears, BTC bottoms out and very climbs back towards an ATH. 1. Default subs The default subs and the morons therein never learn. Instead of hating they could buy the bottom and double their money. But they are hateful losers for a reason. They stay poor and bitter for a reason. 2. /r/cryptocurrency The haters and bots disappear since they have nothing to say if crypto is looking good. This sub returns to being a ghost town. 3. /r/bitcoin Everyone wants to talk about whether they managed to buy the bottom. Which is the most healthy discourse imo. Main takeaway: if you can ignore the noise, and very simply buy low/sell high, you are at the absolute peak of humanity in the modern age. Everyone will waste their time hating and criticizing but you just make the easiest money that has ever been made whether it’s bitcoin, stocks, or other assets.

Crypt0Nymous

I’ve been there. Not exactly the same numbers, but the same feeling — the pit in your stomach, the replaying of every bad decision. You’re not broken, and you’re definitely not alone. The hardest part isn’t the money, it’s the regret. What helped me was accepting one simple thing: you made the best decision you could with the info and emotions you had at the time. Everyone looks smart in hindsight. At ~80% down, panic selling is usually the worst move — but “hold everything forever” isn’t automatically right either. I kept BTC/ETH as core, then did a brutal, honest review of alts. No real usage, no traction, no future? I trimmed and treated the loss as tuition. Cycles do turn, but not all alts come back. Time helps, quality helps more. If it’s affecting your sleep, that’s a real signal — about position sizing, not your intelligence. Take care of your head first. You can recover financially, but burning yourself out helps no one. Hang in there. This market humbles almost everyone once. The people who come back stronger are the ones who actually learn from it.

Rare_Rich6713

If I was tight on budget and could only pick one right now, I’d probably just stick with BTC. When capital is limited, survival and staying power matter more than trying to outsmart the market. Bitcoin is still the asset the whole space orbits around, especially in uncertain conditions. It’s the most battle-tested and the one institutions, funds, and serious long-term players lean on first. If you’re choosing only one, it usually means you don’t want unnecessary risk. In that case, BTC makes the most sense. You can always rotate into other ideas later when you’ve built a stronger base. Trying to maximize upside with your entire stack when money is tight can backfire fast. There’s interesting stuff happening around making Bitcoin more productive over time, like what Babylon is exploring, but that’s more of a long-term evolution thesis. If we’re talking pure dip buy with limited funds, I’d personally keep it simple and build the BTC foundation first. What matters more to you right now, stability or higher potential upside?

Th3FinalStarman

Weakening dollar and tightening BTC Supply equals: The Rainbow 🌈 https://www.blockchaincenter.net/en/bitcoin-rainbow-chart/

Rockwall_Mike

Less than 1 million no institutional wallets own 1 BTC or more,

Rare_Rich6713

It has worked for him so far; when BTC hits above 100K, no one will notice, honestly. I got lucky to buy at 63K, but I feel the price might dip a bit more, who knows? For now I’m staking on Babylon; that’s it. Any profit to take now will be in the next bull run.

Fijiambed

Take 20% spreads between dips or buy at $10K drops and tuck it into your PRIVATE WALLET. Supply and demand will then speak for itself as the available 18 million or so BTC will then not be available to the exchanges, which will cause havoc and chaos for short sellers, manipulators and Wall Street. Retail will finally win and will have the final say.

Rare_Rich6713

Honestly that’s a solid way to approach it. Spreading buys across levels takes a lot of the pressure off trying to nail the exact bottom. Weekly DCA just keeps you consistent no matter what the market does. I’m doing something similar. Fixed DCA no matter what, then I size up a bit when sentiment gets really ugly. Fear is usually when the best positioning happens, even if it doesn’t feel great in the moment. What’s been interesting to me this cycle isn’t just stacking BTC, but thinking about what it can do while you hold it. There’s some interesting stuff happening around making BTC more productive instead of just sitting in cold storage. I see BTCFI like babylon are experimenting with ways Bitcoin can secure other networks without you giving up custody. If that model matures, holding BTC might look different long term. Either way though, disciplined accumulation in a bear market is usually what separates people later. Are you planning to self-custody most of it or keep some liquid for flexibility

Bubbacarl

The big question is was 60k the bottom? All the doomers on here proclaiming its going to 30-40k. They may be right but the data shows lower lows on the most recent cycles. Anyone denying BTC is less mainstream than Last cycle is simply misinformed. Im personally betting on the bottom is in at 60. Will I lose or win? Time will tell but my 63k big purchase is looking good so far.

jazza16

Does this not scare you? I’ve been thinking about investing in BTC but this part is holding me back

MakCapital

"since day 1" 🤣😂🤣 So you bought after ATH hitting nearing 4 years of up and are wondering why you're having trouble. Zoom out. The most relevant L1s: BTC, HYPE, SOL, ETH. Stay focused on what people in web3 actually use. Don't stack L1s no one uses unless they are new. Hold mostly BTC. Learn patience on a multi-year time horizon. You'll do fine, but you need to stay involved.

qpv

I've been following BTC and this sub for years. I always had a bit but nothing substantial (enough to keep me engaged). I remember how left out I felt the past few peaks and I remember it. Promised myself I'd buy in next time it dipped. We're here. I'm in. Not blowing my savings on it but keep stacking. I used to smoke like a freight train, but cut it out years ago so my approach is putting money into it that I used to put into smoking. If it burns it burns. But the potential upside is way better this time. At least I can still sprint around my block(chain)

vrui

With 15% EM, 10% small caps and 15% Bitcoin, you’re already tilted toward higher volatility assets. That’s fine if you’re comfortable with big swings, but it’s definitely an aggressive setup. Before increasing Bitcoin further, just make sure you’re fully aware of the risk level you’re taking on. From a more traditional investor mindset, your setup is far from conservative and already well into medium to high risk territory. Since you’re investing monthly anyway, I wouldn’t shift more into BTC just because it dropped. Adjusting allocations over time is totally fine, but doing it purely based on short-term price moves can easily turn into trying to time the market. Strategic rebalancing is one thing, reacting to dips is another.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Binance has bolstered its Secure Asset Fund for Users (SAFU) by purchasing $250 million worth of Bitcoin during a market downturn. This acquisition, part of a plan to convert $1 billion in stablecoin holdings into Bitcoin, brings the fund's total Bitcoin holdings to approximately 6,230 BTC, valued at $412 million. SAFU, launched in 2018, serves as an insurance reserve for user protection. Binance's move reflects confidence in Bitcoin's long-term potential despite current market challenges, with 40% of the conversion plan completed so far. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

JohnnySussex

I get the point, but based on current price action, we’re still far from any confirmed “capitulation” zone. At current levels (~70k), BTC is clearly in a range, not a breakdown. Here’s how I see it technically: Key resistance / points of interest: • 71.5k–72k: immediate resistance (recent rejection / intraday high) • 73k–74.5k: next supply zone • ~75k: major psychological + prior pivot — reclaiming this would shift short-term bias bullish Key support / demand zones: • ~70k: current battle zone (psychological + local structure) • 68k–66k: first real demand band where buyers have stepped in before • 63k–64k: major POI / last strong defense — losing this opens downside quickly • 60k–61k: big psychological + historical demand, lots of resting bids likely here Below 60k, yes, things can accelerate — but calling deep levels like 40k or 26k right now is still speculation until structure actually breaks. Context: This looks more like consolidation after expansion, not panic. Market is deciding between: • reclaiming 72k+ and grinding higher • or losing 64k and testing lower demand Until then, patience > prediction. Reacting to confirmed levels matters more than calling bottoms.

Tacoman404

Maaaaaan I remember that. I think I bought then sold LTC in a week back when my crypto bros were hyping it up. Shoulda kept those BTC faucet wallets from back in the day tho for sure

kons21

I mean, yes, there absolutely is market manipulation, but that's a different question from "why does it move together." Although, algorythims designed to trade the alts together with BTC, could arguably be considered part of the market manipulation.

potificate

No manipulation here…. This is normal BTC price action. If you don’t know this, you haven’t been through a full cycle.

bansoma

I have both. Mostly for tax purposes, though custody and survivorship play into this as well. Less taxes = more buying. 30 years from now with high gains this will be a pittance, a small price to pay for ROTH untaxable BTC-like holdings. Just keep in mind that GLD and SLV are currently delivering for \~+5% over spot price when buying physical rather than the paper asset. Similar things will likely happen with IBIT if you ever try to request physical(electronic) delivery -- you won't get the full 100% of value, you'll get something else... I wouldn't neglect holding pure BTC. If it isn't your keys it isn't your crypto at the end of the day.

Rez000d

We understand your struggle and I can reassure you that you are not alone! As of now I am sitting in my car, in an empty parking lot... Haven't been home since yesterday evening - my missus wouldn't let me rest(also stated that she will stab me while I'm asleep🤣). I simply ran out of peace of mind and composure.. The situation at the moment for me is the following: I "have" two flats... in London, England.One I am supposed to inhabit the other one list for rent, unfortunately there's a new legislation and licensing required... can't sell them, nobody's buying right now is the particular problem and the other thing is: His Majesty's Revenue and Customs - the taxman, who was just sitting in my front yard with a hatchet, waiting for me to come up - left unexpectedly; perhaps to go grab an axe from the blacksmiths - the biggest one in stock! Or he got it already and went on to get the edge sharp and ready!This time it might really cost me an arm, a leg or an arm and a leg to make it - take it as you want! Sell - buy and do what is necessary, don't wait !!! We came to the point suddenly, where instead a deposit is needed - so you can cash in; You have to cash in (purchase BTC) so you can deposit - thus ultimately grow your wealth... Just don't panic and never forget: in the most dire of times are spawned the best opportunities! I wish you the best of luck and stay blessed!

BlueskiesBlkD

Yea I agree kinda, Can you Imagine buying BTC in 2013 when it was $15.09 a coin then went to $1,151.17 and YOU jumped in at $980.00 smiling and then closed the year out at $754.00 and you SOLD AFRAID it was going back to $15.00 😆 Has ANYONE loss money holding for 4 or more years over any time span? 🤔

kons21

It seems that most people aren’t answering your question, which was specifically why everything moves together. It’s because of trading algorithms, and bots trading for algos being tied to Bitcoin performance. That’s why usually wherever BTC goes, the rest follow. You will sometimes have some individual projects which might be less affected due to some strong negative or positive news around them, but usually when BTC moves the rest will follow, as the algos pick follow the pace.

AlternativeTiger4302

Price action ranging sideways for weeks to months. It'll be a wide range, because it's crypto. I'd say the next 3-6 months are prime investments for BTC. Rotate to alts down the road.

GnarlFist

how was your BTC loan not liquidated?

Patrick_Atsushi

There might still be tests there in the following weeks. If you're mainly in BTC then "delete the apps and forget about all" for a while might be a good idea.

BrilliantThought1728

Theres nothing arbitrary about looking at the past week (-25%), past month (-35%), past three months (-40%) and past year (-24%) of trading for major cryptos (here, ETH; BTC shows roughly the same drop)

ObviousEconomist

Bro cracked the code for BTC price to hit infinity.

SeemedGood

Blockstream was invented to prevent BTC from threatening the Banking Cartel, and they’ve been effective.

freecoader

i understand why people average in on the way down. it's the smart thing to do if you're lacking insight about future moves. the truth is... BTC will drop much further and it isn't going to start turning around until October. so don't invest anything you need right away, and don't invest anything if you're not able to watch it decrease another 50%-60%

Mothchewer

#This is a factually derived answer, BTC going to zero died once it was mainstream adopted. At this point the grid could go under, and it would still be tracked via cold storage.

Nick700

No the first reply DID get it and spb1 just didn't understand he's calling this analysis bullshit as in, yes it is intended to show bitcoin is going up and up, but it isn't actually solid and is just a trend with no evidence / real analysis showing it is continuing, yet this bullshit analysis probably got some of the highest amount of people to actually get onboard with BTC than most of the other commonly posted bullish memes

ItsTime4Coffee

What if BTC goes to 55? And below? 😳😂😂

theincognito66

My advice would be only to buy BTC. If you mess around with other altcoins, you'll probably get burned. But, everyone has their tuition to pay in Crypto University - so you'll have to learn for yourself.

postylambz

Wait til September. It won't go much lower though, idk if it will touch 50k. Source: I've been shorting BTC and took profits yesterday

CutFabulous1178

Drop more pls I need to load up on BTC on the cheap

PlutoPlaneta

They have always being moving together with BTC . at least the general direction up or down.

BottomTimer_TunaFish

Yesterday, the long vs short open interests were so lopsided at 300 million longs versus 2.9 billion shorts with a B. Since most people are bearish, they will pile in with shorts and provide rocket fuel to the upside when they cover their shorts or get liquidated. MM make more money to the upside when the asset appreciates and profit from liquidations. On the downside, they make less money because the asset depreciates and cancels out the profits from shorting. I hope you took advantage of the opportunity yesterday to buy near the bottom. I bought ETH at $1850 when BTC was 62k. When BTC goes to 200k and ETH goes to 15k at some point in the future, the investment will have made a few to several bagger on the big market cap coins.

Reach_Beyond

I’m too dumb and scared to open a short position. But I can show you my sell position late 2024 and 2025. Then my buys at sub $2k ETH and 63-66k BTC. Ultimately I sold well below ATH and stressed about it too much for not a crazy gain. I also paid taxes on my past gains. Lesson is, even if you do it all close to right it’s not that impressive. Just hold ( and stake if you have ETH).

JacobAPoole

I feel your pain. I had 2 BTC stolen from me.

stevenk718

Coinbase played games yesterday when BTC was free falling. Coinbase app wouldn't let me add collateral or pay down my loan forcing liquidation. I spoke to the Coinbase One customer service team and they admitted their system was having issues and they stated this in writing via email so I have proof. They better restore my BTC collateral.

dubski04021

This isn’t a normal Bitcoin cycle. Not one thing is the same as the last. ETFs, perpetuals available, more wallets, more BTC in circulation… nothing about this is the same

No_South_9912

The type of person to buy BTC checks it daily

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ThePugz

If you bought everything at the top you’re down a little over 40% right now and it’s up today from bottom of $60K to over $70K which is around 17% gain. If you bought 1 BTC @ $120K then spent another $120K when it hit $60K to buy 2 more then you now have 3 BTC @ $80K ea & you’re only down about 12.5%

Mission-Ant-9258

Ok. So I've been about writing this exact same post over the course of yesterday really. I sarted writing it twice now, and I always discarded it. The reason I discarded it is that I don't want to expose a wound and have what's left of my pride slammed through the floor by some one-chair cocky internet asshole whose main feature is to have bought into BTC before me. I often find that the reasons for one not buying BTC earlier are ignored, and that just removes perspective and leaves no room for constructive discussion. In 2021 I had to move countries, use all my saving to live (ie. eat food) while looking for a job in a place where no-one knew who I was, then re-gain my savings to be just now in a position where I can think about growing a portfolio. I don't trade shitcoins, I dont trade bitcoin, I don't short bitcoin or use levarage, I just buy and hold. I read the white paper often and every day I take some time to learn about BTC. I just do bitcoin. I also don't really really feel that much afected by the current downturn. If at all, I find it as an opportunity to buy more. What makes me sad is that I knew about BTC in 2020 but was unable to buy back then, and then life happened and only started buying in January 2025, just the same as you and, DCAing throughout the whole year. And as a result my average price is higher than I would like. I'm actually waiting (hoping) for a more agressive drop in the price so I can make a large purchase and start lowering my average, but well.. we'll see. So, that's it. I'm not selling, even if it goes to 10k, I don't care about the price right now, and I fully believe in this. I'm also deep in the red but I understand the pain. I just want my average to go down so I can buy myself some time, as I'm somewhat older than you. And for you people that are already typing "everyone buys at the price they deserve" or similar crap, go live in a third world country earning 200USD/month with crappy foreing policy and difficult access to the outside world, and then have your pride be rubbed in your face by a random internet person because you didn't believe earlier. Then you will understand what frustration feels like. Just DCA and chill. Go watch a movie, listen to music or have sex. The blocks will be here when you get back. And remember, if BTC goes to zero tomorrow, at least it served to teach us the amount of damage the fiat system has caused to the world. That won't go away. My 2 sats. Cheers.

Throwaway-username-2

I've been in the BTC game since \~2012 You are in for a world of hurt brother.

PerceptionOk8543

You are dense. They want to sell at the best price. BTC is 70k now but if they dumped everything they had at once it wouldn’t all sell for 70k. It would crash hard. Come on, this is basics of trading

AgnewTheModHamster

Ya, gap was at 80-61K on the CME, nice bounce off the supply zone there, still not out of the woods. Saylor's Q4 report was ugly, I think BTC ranges below MSTR DCA for a while, keep Saylor's head underwater long enough for the bubbles to stop.

Either_Inflation_960

Some hedge fund in Hong Kong went under from their failed silver trades and liquidated bitcoin in response. They have been washed out. Onwards and upwards we shall resume. Long BTC.