BTC

NoParamedic7831

Respectfully, I think you're just missing a few things here. There are no gas fees in Bitcoin, and a modest day of mixing could clean all the funds. There are other things they did that were dumb (like only sweeping wallets above 1.15 BTC), but nothing from your list. Hard to tell how competent the hacker is at this phase.

Fun-Minimum-4715

I would long 100x BTC on a non kyc futurues

Impossible-Scene5084

Sure, but under the hood every single system on earth fundamentally works based on the confidence users communally have in it. Confidence is the secret currency of the world, and this whole episode is massively damaging for confidence in BTC (which for the vast majority is synonymous with “crypto”)

2xfun

Please enlighten us with what you think are the fundamentals of AI and BTC

Character-Notice8580

When someone pays with BTC does it tell you on your screen? Or does it just look the same as if they paid with a credit card?

FunkyGrass

This has nothing to do with how BTC & Crypto fundamentals work. If anything, makes you understand better how safety works.

Character-Notice8580

when I pay with BTC using the new toggle, does the seller have any real time indication that I paid with BTC on their screen?

mathaiser

Yes, you yourself can take 24 random words from a group of 2048 words and enter them in a wallet and hope you find one with funds on it. This has been happening since day one and people have huge computers trying this every single moment. Unfortunately for you, if the entire solar system was filled all the way full with computers the size of an atom, it would still take longer than the life of the universe to find just one. It’s a fools errand, you would have more luck guessing the numbers to powerball correctly 7 times in a row than find a BTC private key that has funds.

NadlesKVs

Yeah but the BTC still has to go somewhere for them to gain any value from it. They aren't selling it in the NK economy. They have to have somewhere/ someway to spend it. Obviously a Government can figure it out though.

FrontCold6590

What if the actual exploitation still hasn't happened. I moved my BTC to an exchange from cold, just because that currently feels safer. What if the exchanges are the actual goal 😄 what if we're all in a big game of chess and a bunch of us just pulled the moved that puts us at risk of checkmate?

SMK_12

No it’s not lot of the burger is worth more dollars but less bitcoin that means bitcoin increased in value and dollars decreased in value. Basically with 1 BTC you could get more hamburgers now than you could in the past but with $1 you could get less hamburger now than you could in the past.

elementfortyseven

that burger is either \~500 bucks or 2k bucks, depending if I have to travel to Switzerland or El Salvador for it. Those are the only two countries with select McDonalds restaurants that accept BTC

MakCapital

Been here since 2011. Only heard of Coldcard once, but not a Bitcoin maxi. Use ledger, Trezor, and Bitkey. **Even though Ledger should be taken more seriously than any niche product like ColdCard:** I don't trust my long term Bitcoin with ledger. Trezor & Bitkey only. Ledger for everything else. Ledger has been a very dishonest company. Honesty is crazy important when they still lean on a closed approach. They also force you to update firmware wherever you need to update specific chain apps (New feature on Solana that needs a Ledger update? Welcome to new Ledger firmware with more bloat and remote access features). This is unacceptable from a security standpoint. Yes, id recommend Ledger over most options for most people frequently trading in web3, but would be more apprehensive to recommend for long holding BTC unless you use it with a multisig setup. Most won't. Instead, go Bitkey if you can afford and don't have time to learn multi-sig (It's multisig on easy mode). Otherwise, Trezor single signer next best. All of these options better than hot wallets. After a certain point, you should also spread to ETFs.

almo2001

How does a credit crunch make BTC go up? You need to cash it out to use it for anything.

cipherjones

As long as BTC remains tied to fiat, the interpretation is valid.

flashdurb

McDonald’s does in fact not accept bitcoin LMAO. But referring to if you turned your BTC back into spendable currency, sure.

Beginning_Health9584

The underrated thing about BTC treasuries is that "it wasn't a sale" is actually checkable — custody rotation looks nothing like exchange inflow on-chain. What annoys me is that headlines never do the boring follow-up: watch the addresses for a week and the question answers itself. Most of these stories are settled by patience, not by the press release or the denial.

csfrayer

Hahah - fair point but if it \*doesn't\* pass I'm saying BTC shouldn't logically drop in price either.

GoldmezAddams

Basically zero. There are roughly 2^256 possible wallets. That's 115,792,089,237,316,195,423,570,985,008,687,907,853,269,984,665,640,564,039,457,584,007,913,129,639,936 possibilities. The Coldcard search space is around 2^40 or 1,099,511,627,776 possibilities. Compared to 2^256, that number truly might as well be 1. Defining any narrow search space like that and exhaustively searching it is not an attack on 256 bit security. In 25 years, even with the BTC network currently calculating almost a sextillion hashes a second, not a *single* SHA-256 collision has *ever* been found. They could check 2^40 wallets *every second* until the sun goes out and it would be an absolute statistical *miracle* if they found even one active key. At that rate it would take on the order of 10^57 years to exhaust the search space. The age of the universe is on the order of 10^10. That assumes proper entropy, though.

iloverunning11

Not really, the thing is USD will never fall -50% (short term, long term it absolutely will) like BTC just did in less that a year, so IV is insane when it comes to BTC and almost everyone is able to buy BTC now, it's no longer a novelty and only time will tell whether its price is sustainbale or it will keep falling down (adjusted for inflation), BTC community is insanely large, it is pretty impressive too, it's mostly about speculators but that does not mean it has to fail

rottengammy

Because one can of Coke costs about 0.0000078 to 0.0000138 BTC. Miss one zero and you just paid the price of an all inclusive for a Coke.

Tylerebowers

Now do 2025 vs 2026 BTC. 

Effective_Engine319

After the ledger scandal a few years ago that swap is exactly what most people on the BTC sub were recommending. And so that's what I did :(

cipherjones

The only thing that I get from looking at this meme is it would have been smarter to invest in USD than BTC. I can't tell if that's the joke or not?

Inside-Bus6555

Short-term price moves are always driven by news and sentiment, but what stands out is how every rally brings more attention to the broader crypto ecosystem. As adoption grows, the focus is shifting beyond just buying BTC to how people securely store and manage digital assets across different blockchains. I recently read a solid guide on building multi-chain crypto wallets for enterprise applications, and it gave a good perspective on where infrastructure is heading: https://www.codezeros.com/how-to-build-a-multi-chain-crypto-wallet-for-enterprise-applications. Long-term growth will depend just as much on reliable products as it does on market sentiment.

asimpleuser_

Hi! I'm thinking on starting DCA with BTC, I was looking for the best exchange then I found this thread. Could you please share your experience working with Strike? Before reading this thread my best option was Bitvavo

mvds74

BTC is doing what BTC wants to do. It goes up, it goes down, trying to rationalize it or even analyze it helps nobody. Just enjoy the ride... Today this post about BTC going up 0.8%, tomorrow a post from somebody panicking because BTC went 0.8% down, asking what could have happened.

csfrayer

El Salvador declassified Bitcoin as a legal tender in 2025. I do think lighting is the strongest argument against my analysis but I also strongly agree with analysis that lighting is primarily used to rebalance BTC holdings, not in transactions for other crypto or goods and services. To the extent that evading the law (as a fact not a judgment of the morality) is the use case, laws governing the asset shouldn't have an impact either.

csfrayer

Pensions already have access to BTC ETFs and to the extent a fiduciary is going to offer BTC exposure, the lowest risk option will remain ETFs. Can you say more about the banks half of that thought?

RandomPlayerCSGO

It is used for payment's. In El Salvador lighting network is widely used for regular payments since it's accepted as legal currency. In other countries with shitty hyperinflation currencies BTC in lightning network is common too. Monero is also very used for payments worldwide, not only for drug trade also for escaping countries that don't let you leave with your money and for buying basic goods in places where legal trade of basic goods is monopolized by the state and people need to buy in black market to survive, like in Cuba or Venezuela

thats_gotta_be_AI

“Oh nice of them to provide me a starting balance of 0.5BTC. It’s the little things that you remember!”

PeteyPab305

The thing with this theory is that if they were doing this they wouldn't be accumulating all of the stolen BTC into one wallet address essentially showing it off. This is a nation-state attack because the attackers are not going to be able to benefit with this as an off-ramp they did not coin mix. They did not spread it across a vast amount of smaller wallets. They are aggregating it all into one wallet which is going to make it extremely difficult to utilize even in native form without even considering on or off ramps. For them to do this, they would be essentially the dumbest Bitcoin criminals ever to exist.

noviwu97

I've been using DeFi every single day in the past 5 years using ledger and other wallets. Also never even heard Coldcard being mentioned even once. I even searched my very active DeFi discord group with ~300 members and not even a single mention of coldcard before the steal. From what I learned afterward, Coldcard shills are very isolated to BTC maxis. When a cult is strong, you'll believe anything including drinking poisoned kool-aid

schmiesii

It has been doing great actually. Sitting at a 1 TRILLION+ market cap and costs $65k per BTC. What about your investments, fam?

the-supreme-mugwump

For a few years. I wonder how many people think it was karma. Generate a seed, open the wallet to find BTC think your lucky and have it scrubbed out years later

Otherwise-4PM

I didn’t know you could stake BTC in a Trezor.

Latter_Present1900

I use Litecoin all the time but I wouldn't stack it. If I've got too much I covert to BTC or the gold-backed PAXG.

agentbroko

Nobody really knows. I used to think BTC would never go much higher after previous runs, and I was wrong. Personally, I feel like a major correction is still possible before the next big leg up. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 30–50% pullback if macro conditions worsen, and in an extreme scenario even sub-$30k isn't impossible. That said, I've learned not to bet everything on timing the market. If I were starting today, I'd probably DCA in over a few months and keep some cash on the side in case we do get a big crash. That way you're invested if it keeps running, but you also have dry powder if it drops. No one knows where the bottom or top will be.

NoBrosCrypto

It’s like any authentication. Public keys can be sent out there but you can only do a handshake with the private key. No private key, you can’t do anything. Your wallet basically doesn’t hold crypto, it holds your private key and that’s why you can sign a transaction. The Bitcoin you own is just written on the chain as account X holds this much BTC. Eg. Alice has 1 BTC, she wants to send it to Bob. She sends the transaction out saying account X wants to send 1BTC to account Y. She signed it with a valid private key that matches account X’s public key which proves it’s hers. The nodes all agree that is a valid transaction. That transaction gets written onto the blockchain and balances are recorded.

absurdcriminality

We are just gonna end up holding BTC in banks, aren't we?

scrandlle

The problem comes when you try to actually turn that BTC into something useful, AKA fiat currency. 'Well I'm sure there's some unethical exchange out there in Russia or something who will do it' For $114 sure, not $114 million. Real exchanges can, and do, blacklist wallets. OP is also stupid because he's not a 'noob' for putting it in one wallet, it can be sent to ten thousand and it'll be tracked extremely easily by software. Over 90% of stolen Bitcoin, from every major hacking event or fraud ever, sits dormant right now. Exchanges that have that much liquidity also have zero interest in ruining their business or being pulled into legal battles to reobtain stolen property that they just purchased. The exchanges do not operate anonymously.

00MacDonald

In the chain of comments I'm answering to, I'm not referring to coinjoin as a whole, but the placement of illegal funds in coinjoin/Tornado cash/mixers . Aa collaborative BTC transaction containing one single instance of illegal funds is already a money laundry operation, even if nobody but the person trying to actively launder is considered criminally responsible, money laundry generally needs the involvement of many, many actors that are unaware of the illegality of the source funds. If you put legally obtained coins in coinjoin, you may be seen as willingly or unwillingly aiding to money laundry operations depending on a bunch of varying circumstances and considerations. That's why the space has actor pushing for adoption of legislation that clarifies or strengthens legal status of BTC, for example Always speaking from FATF-standards POV. It's a super interesting field, and shows how difficult is for regulators to adopt new standards. 

John_Pig

I hope China doesn't ban BTC.

F1jez1980

For those interested, SpaceX hold 18,712 BTC. 8th largest public holder globally. So at the very least, holding this shit stock gets you some exposure to bitcoin

Lavayo

You are right, but it's just a meme. It's more about the hype. People talking about BTC. Your Uber driver telling you he just went all in BTC - at 150k. Those things happen at mania tops, not now. That's what this picture is meant to represent, not the real world buyers and sellers.

knoxvillegains

Hy HSA is all BTC and my 401k is absolutely smoking it. I think in the long run it will be ok, but traditional market is blowing BTC away so far.

junkhead_7

Once, Bitcoin was only used by people that actually cared for multiple reason. Now, a lot of normies are into it just because "numbers go up" - which isn't even that true in the past years. That's what happens when you reach mainstream. I have a good news for you, though: you don't need to read r/Bitcoin or any other sub in order to hold and use BTC.

Hoax__

Not a tumbler/mixer. Instant swapping services are like FixedFloat or ChangeNow. Basically they’re services that allow you to swap crypto for another crypto like BTC to XMR. Smaller instant swappers ‘nest’ within exchanges as they don’t have enough liquidity of their own. For example, CoinCradle, another swapping service, nest within HTX. - But yes, if it goes into a mixer, it’s unlikely to be traced any further

saydonem

Maybe a stupid question, but if one find an address with BTC on, what to do with it? I’m new btw lol

Ferdo306

It wasn't shilled in here dude but in btc sub. I would presume it was a 3rd most popular wallet for BTC holders I do agree with certain parts but you coming in here as a 'victor' after the battle is over is off putting Why didn't you post this before the hack? What if the closed sourced Ledger Recover becomes a backdoor in few years Will we shame everyone who suggested Ledger?

PocketVariance

I mean it’d probably be super difficult to prove that you were the original key owner considering that the keys can all be replicated now. Doubt return of funds would even be logistically possible even if all the BTC were recovered

Lavayo

Possible but not necessarily, esp BTC. What it will do to your random small to mag7 business and bank is practically guaranteed.

Ferdo306

So when the 'morons' were suggesting it, I presume you were here warning others that there's a bug and that it isn't safe? And if in the future similar happens to Ledger or Trezor, you will come here and say that you were a moron for suggesting them? Everything is safe until it isn't And it wasn't really suggested here but in BTC sub as it's BTC only wallet. So that party the reason why it was suggested

ParteDelTodo

I had a 1 BTC coined bit when I was 16ish (15ish years ago). Kept it in my pocket. I liked skateboarding and bmx. One day I went outside with it and haven't seen it since.

ProperSyllabub8798

BTC is dead. There is no Safeway to hold your coins. Get out before the whales like MSTR crowd the exit

ubermensch1001

Tradfi and other players looking to offer BTC products to the general public are absolutely loving this hack. Not saying they were/are actively involved, but it's weird timing when they are still debating the clarity act.

Sonizzle

You download it, and it’s your BTC stolen.

Scarab702

Better to learn the lesson now than later when you have 1 BTC and could possibly do the same thing. You know now what not to do so don't screw this up again. Onwards.

00MacDonald

It took over 10 years to nail the bitfinex guys and they only did so after thousands of stupid mistakes on their part and when the funds were worth in the millions. And they still got only 60 months in jail. The BTC has yet to be returned to bitfinex. If this guys learned anything, they should be good for a few decades, if not ever.

ubermensch1001

I'm sure something is going to occur with this case, it's way too early to tell. While the loss of BTC is trivial compared to what we saw with the crypto lending space in 2022, the major implications are that it's making crypto holders seriously question the security of their cold wallets. Crazy to think that there's a moron who openly admitted to recommending Cold Cards to other posters trolling on this very thread lol.

fan_of_hakiksexydays

If you're patient, it might even drop below $1K this cycle. If the bear market is anything like the the past ones, and as brutal to alt coins as it usually is. But let's not get ahead of ourselves. We'd have to see if there's gonna be a retest of $1,500 first. But with BTC still in longer term trend down this year, and the rallies still getting lower highs, and now even this recent rally starting to trend back down, that retest might be in the cards again.

GoldmezAddams

No. With proper entropy, the amount of possibilities is simply too big. The whole problem was that CC's lack of entropy created a very limited search space. The odds of a non-Coldcard producing anything within that search space are astronomically low simply because of the amount of possible options. With proper entropy, there are roughly 2^256 options. That's 115,792,089,237,316,195,423,570,985,008,687,907,853,269,984,665,640,564,039,457,584,007,913,129,639,936 options. The Coldcard Mk3 search space is around 2^40 or 1,099,511,627,776 options. Compared to 2^256, that number might as well be 1. For some context on 256 bit security, in 25 years, not a *single* SHA-256 collision has *ever* been found, even with the BTC network currently calculating around a sextillion hashes per second.

LazyLifeguard

They didn't know it. They generated ever every possible weak seed caused by the bug. If an address held BTC they already had the privat key, this part is pretty straight foward. You just looking for an adress matching the weak seeds. Benefits of the open blockchain goes both ways here, transparency comes at a cost. Tough situation.

azdcaz

Trump Is the worst thing to happen to crypto and BTC.

corner_couch

As much as bitcoiners hate VC and everything big tech and surveillance etc. Something like a \*hardware wallet\* - or really anything hardware related - you should really consider the quality and financing of the company backing it, the size of company, reputation, and so on. 100% open source is a good ideal but then you need an active community with a lot of support (like BTC itself) and the people able to audit hardware / firmware for free is much smaller than pure software. Lessons learned here for the community

Pretty-Lime-6668

The hack might of been orchestrated by the BTC etfs because now the safest way to have BTC exposure would be through those ETFs

Newbie123plzhelp

Yes bro, BTC is a visa replacement, you got it

moviemaker2

>You had this garbage wallet that drained a number of addresses that is MINISCULE compared to the total number of addresses with $100+ worth of BTC in self custody. This is where your entire thing falls apart. *No one knew* this was a garbage wallet until last week. The reason this was one of the top 3 recommended wallets here and in other BTC spaces is because it was the consensus that it actually was one of the the top 3 most secure wallets. The coldcard was the first to offer user-inputted real world entropy via dice rolls. Some of the other top brands still don't have that feature. The fact that you consider Ledger a reliable wallet because it has a high number of sales, says everything we need to know about your level of knowledge on this topic. (Never buy a Ledger, never take any advice from someone who tells you to buy a Ledger)

ContentBlackberry0

And people continue to send BTC to the thief 😂

DizzyHoliday

I’m waiting til it gets down to the 50’s but there is literally never a bad time to buy BTC

TexFarmer

Please tell us all how BTC has NO liability, use that thing between your ears for something other than a hat rack!

Opening-Length-4244

In person BTC transfers surely ? Small amounts over time would be the only way I’d imagine

JimmySki6166

Moomoo is a great investing app for stocks & crypto! I’ve had nothing but positive, great customer service, who speak English and know what they are talking about! And it’s federally regulated and insured! You can hold BTC safely on there as well!!

ptrnyc

Not without giving up anonymity. The blockchain has the history of how the BTC arrived into the wallet in the first place. For people who bought on an exchange and moved it to ColdCard, they should be able to prove they are the legit owners of the wallet.

Glad_Leadership_3671

Go to [https://switcher.finance](https://switcher.finance/) Select USDT > BTC, directly via browser in-app, these are the best rates as it's an aggregator.

Mysterious-Sir3071

Im 80% Crcl Purr (hyperliquid) etf BTC CANTON INJ ICP STX

TCr0wn

Stable coins are a garaunteed loss year over year (inflation) and are not decentralized/fully under an ai agents control. Ai agents wouldn’t likely care about drawdowns like we’ve seen on BTC as they don’t have emotions and don’t need to eat/pay bills etc. The whole concept is pretty much fiction at the moment. But there is some logical connection w BTC and Ai agents in the future

Financial_Clue_2534

Dollar isn’t stable just look at the inflation rate. The reason they will hold BTC is due to security and scarcity. The 50% drop you referring to is small than the prior drops us Bitcoiners have experienced. As time progresses these drops will decrease overtime.

Good_Extension_9642

And that's the reason I ONLY by BTC ETF since their inception

Deep_Decision4441

I can't imagine ever wanting AI to touch my BTC. Banks already have APIs. I'm a btc maximalist but this is pure fantasy to expect.

sunflowersaint

BTC is always cruising until it isn't.

Cannister7

The concept that somebody would steal my vulnerable BTC, which hadn't already been stolen by the hacker, to then, what?, say "Hey, I was only looking after it for you, here you go" How would they knew where to send it back to? How would I know that it was taken by someone benevolent? What if I heard about the hacks and went to move my stash, only to find it had already gone? I'm just confused by the logistics and the idea that someone would bother to do that.

BitZk

It surprises me that people still don’t know how Bitcoin works. The security of your wallet is based on the entropy provided by the user themselves. You do a lazy setup, it doesn’t matter that your keys never touched the internet. Your private key is an extremely large number. Any person or machine can guess your number, the security is in providing an extremely hard number to guess. If you don’t provide a hard number to guess, then you are asking to have your funds taken by an actor that can guess your number. If you don’t have a lot of BTC, lower security is ok because if you lose your money, you didn’t lose too much. If you put you life savings in a single wallet, with no real effort providing entropy to try to generate a really hard to guess number, then you are a fool who didn’t lean a damn thing about this tech before putting your life savings behind it. Next time, try generating a key with 100 dice rolls and adding a passphrase and then do that process over 3 times and then XOR the keys together and add a passphrase then repeat that process 2 more times and create a 2 of 3 multisig on 3 different devices bought from 3 different vendors and stamp your seed on 3 metal plates and send them 3 different continents and then rotate your keys every year. If this is too much for you or you can be bothered to learn or are too lazy, then you deserve to get your funds taken.

DrSpeckles

This is from people who still think we are “early” in BTC, which doesn’t actually do anything.

JumpProfessional3372

And for the BTC price, is that this can lower it if the hackers start selling in masses. Maybe they are holders.

GiganticTree

Because we live in a simulation. Check every BTC bottom on a chart :)

opDimitri

Dee has been working around clock helping people migrate, and many acknowledged it. BTC sessions gave him multiple shout-outs during this mess. He is also a support tech and has nothing to do with coding. For all we know he will leave the company in time, but it seems like helping people in the moment is more important than principled tantrums.

Daiymas

I think a bigger problem is if the wallet has already spent BTC, then the public keys becomes visible and the hacker will know which 2 seeds to use to drain what's left.

Due_Extension_2401

At the end of the day there are NO guarantees, No One is 100% safe😐 Multiple Bags. 3seeds, +3backup seeds, keep Your ear to the BTC/ Crypto community/ stay in tuned &be ready for a speedy seed migration😐

DWHudson1970

BTC is still way down.

FastRelief3222

Where it is now addy A: 562.02 BTC ($35.8m) bc1qq85v2c926eg6pgxhwp6q7lf6cnsz80qs3fcu9r addy B: 398.48 BTC ($25.4m) bc1qx76cae2706qd5q576feh7xq8rfcsjpf2htfhe3 both show spent = 0.0000. not one satoshi has ever left either address. 992.95 BTC total.

Key-Respect3810

Si c’est le groupe de hackers LAZARUS les BTC seront récupérable en Chine afin de financer le programme nucléaire nord Coréen

TheCodifiedTrader

Fuck no, did you not heard the shit about Coinkite/ Coldcard? 100% most people are moving their money elsewhere, probably stocks or index funds, you think they gonna wait if or when they lose their BTC to hackers?

moviemaker2

The above comment will be the best answer in the thread. No way of storing Bitcoin is risk free, you just need to choose the risk profile that suits your needs and amounts. Personally I store in a range of ways: multiple exchanges, multiple hardware wallets, and ETFs. There’s no conceivable attack vector where I could lose all, or even half my BTC, short of the entire network being compromised at which my storage method was irrelevant.

PuzzleheadedBell4057

I have the same allocation - 80% stocks (mainly broad market ETF), 20% crypto. The 20% crypto allocation contains 10 different coins with BTC and ETH accounting for half the allocation (30% and 20% respectively). I'm old fashion - I believe diversification is key to risk adjusted out-sized returns.

TheCodifiedTrader

In the before times everyone I know marketed BTC as a "deregulated" currency and idk why they were trying to make it sound like a good thing. Now this shit happens and everyone is surprised Coinkite isn't crediting their customers? **No one can hold them accountable**, they're just trying to pass off the buck from their security flaw but without regulation what did ya think was gonna happen?

PM_ME_UR_0_DAY

At least on Xbox you have a gamertag to go off of. To catch this guy you'd have to be the FBI who can subpoena any public BTC infrastructure they used to submit their transactions. Then you'd probably have to subpoena the VPN they used and hope that isn't a dead end. 

TheCodifiedTrader

I just saw Coldcard got hacked- an offline hardware wallet got hacked which in itself is one thing but when the regular degular Joe deposits his USD into Chase (U.S) he knows it's safe and if the bank is robbed he will absolutely get his money back. You think Conkite is covering the losses? **FUCK NO.** Which idk why anyone should be surprised. You put your "money" into an unregulated entity and are surprised that's it's not crediting you when fraud activity occurred? IIRC before the craze, everyone marketed BTC as a deregulated currency- the future of money, well look what happens when you have deregulated currency, **no one gets held accountable**.

Odd-Intention7059

Sehr gut, aber kein vergleich zu dem ersten BTC für 250-300 ca.

Odd-Intention7059

Also ich bin 100% in BTC und theoretisch schon seit 2015 ernsthaft jedoxh erst seit den Corona zeiten