BTC

henderob

You could borrow against your BTC somewhere like Coinbase. Depends on your risk tolerance

bengalknight71

I would say if you really want it go for it but at the same time don't stop accumulating BTC

TimeStampKing

Think long and hard about what you believe BTC’s Compound Average Growth Rate is. A lot of people believe it’s 40-50% but come up with your own number. If you can finance the bike then save up and see if you can put X down and Y towards more BTC and try to structure it so by the time you’re done paying off the bike, your BTC will have appreciated to the point your bike is free. You can use an app like coin gecko to track your decisions/returns. Only do this for things you really really want tho. This internet stranger thinks you should never sell your BTC and continue to DCA religiously

xpresstuning

I believe that's needlessly complicated. Not to put down your effort or something, but you could try something like I did just to play around: 1. Factory-reset an extra smartphone i had. No SIM card at all. 2. Connected it to my own password-secured Wi-Fi. 3. Installed Bluewallet, then created wallet (wrote down the seed phrase). 4. Imported said wallet to create a passphrase (wrote down the passphrase), thus a different wallet. It's a really nice, additional layer of protection. 5. Exported the master public key of this wallet (12 word seed-phrase + passphrase) and wrote down some stuff regarding it (like the derivation path). 6. Uninstalled Bluewallet, factory-reset the extra smartphone then disconnected it from my Wi-Fi. Turned the phone completely off. It will remain off forever. 7. Imported said wallet (12 word seed-phrase + passphrase) in Bluewallet as "Watch-only" on my personal phone. It exists only to receive BTC. The seed was on a internet-connected factory reset phone with no SIM for a total of 5 minutes (the amount it took me to do all this stuff). I mean .. it's pretty fucking safe.

HudyD

Waiting for the perfect BTC dip is like waiting for a polite argument on Twitter possible, but unlikely to end well

Grenadejumper221

the last thing in the world that passive income in BTC mining

RefrigeratorLow1259

You could say that about BTC.

longjumpsignal

I'd say there's no way it'll be cheaper than wise. If you're trading in and out of bitcoin there's two trading fees. At the highest volume tier of 15m the fee is 0.39%. Wise charges 0.56% but since you'd need two fees on strike that's a total round trip fee of 0.39*2=0.78% which is larger than the wise fee. The only way it might work out cheaper is by holding the BTC for a while and hoping it increases in value a bit before converting back to fiat again.

Perfect-Tek

BTC has been around through several wars at this point, and survived through all of them doing just fine. Nothing to see, just keep moving.

thanksforallthetrees

Buy the bike, have fun with your friends. They’ll stop calling and inviting you on trips. Eventually you’ll all have kids and spouses and no time for bike trips. Make memories while you’ve got friends, health and time. BTC will be there when you’re ready to invest more.

Quantum_Pineapple

Your intuition is correct. That bike isn't going to 2x-4x and you'll realize how much more free you are with a larger nest egg of BTC. You can buy a dozen bikes with the interest in a decade, or lose your purchasing power now for one bike you probably won't care for/will sell in less than 3-5. Listen to your initial intuitive impression.

word-dragon

Well, in 2040, the block reward will go down to about BTC 0.2. So if BTC grows by 10% per year (which seems reasonably conservative to me), that’s roughly $80k. Not exactly chopped liver. You want me to worry about mining economics beyond 20 years? I got other things on my mind. The difficulty factor gets updated (up or down) every fortnight to keep the average rate constant at one block every 10 minutes. Regardless of how many miners are working and how they are equipped, that rate is stable. If the DF gets really low, I might fire up mining on my Mac. WRT government control, if mining becomes unprofitable in one jurisdiction, someone will fire up an operation in another (or on a barge in international waters:-). Also, I don’t think it’s in most governments’ interest to reduce the fraction of bitcoin manufactured in their tax base. With all due respect, I think your concerns are baseless. You want to worry about the future of bitcoin? Satoshi was a time traveler who came back to 2008 to set it all up, and left to go back home and live off his huge stash. Better find out which year he came from, because that whale will come alive then! Lol.

Big-Nail-4733

Source: some guys who smokes pot everyday and has no job, while having 0,0001 BTC

Fluid_Garden8512

Absolutely not true figures on BTC holdings. Not even close.

Visual_Building_1666

I HIGHLY doubt it. He was offered it at a VERY, VERY low price...like when it was a dollar or 10 dollars. Hard to believe that he would buy it now at over 100,000 dollars per Bitcoin. But it is true that MANY people bought BTC after hearing him debate why NOT to buy it.

Itriednoinetimes

I am in so much the exact situation. I have a 2014 KTM 300XCW and everyone else in my group is on new bikes. I contemplate all the time about selling a little of my BTC to get something newer but don’t want to regret it later. Tough call for sure

EmptyReceptors

When macafee was still alive, he was trying to come out with a coin called the freedom coin, which was not tied to BTC at all.

Klokkendief

If BTC does 10-20 x next 20 years why we keep crabbing ??

Hit4Help

Question, yes this is the dream bike, however if you don't have any bike is there not a cheaper entry point so you have something to ride at least? Personally if selling the BTC it should be sold towards your house and security. Get a nice road legal bike that's cheaper gives you some fun and then can keep saving for something better. Also try and buy used, even buying used and paying for an engine rebuild will be cheaper than buying it new.

Zanar2002

We're all Satoshi now. Even if I knew, I wouldn't risk their safety. I owe them so much. Same with Ross - he has my unwavering loyalty. That said, I don't know how I would react if it ever came to light (with credible evidence) that the BTC protocol was created by the NSA...

jonnytitanx

I don't think anyone is in a position to say what YOU should use BTC for.

Acceptable_Hand8622

Why not rent for a few more years. House prices are coming down if you’re buying with bitcoin. Is there a rent to buy option available where you are? That way your BTC can appreciate until you can afford a bigger chunk of the price.

Zanar2002

Besides, I have a prenup, but I intend to donate a sizeable chunk of BTC to my wife when the time is right. She doesn't know this and I haven't promised her anything, but it's something I would like to do. I just don't want that Damoclean Blade hanging over my head. I want to do it without being threatened by lawyers and the state. I also reserve the right to change my mind at any time for whatever reason, without reservation.

Ten_Horn_Sign

I didn’t say it is. Read it again. > Patron sends $105k to your exchange to buy BTC. **You update his account to show 1 BTC. No actual BTC acquired.**

jakestvn

First things first, don’t trade money you aren’t willing to lose. Bitcoin has been edging toward its top for awhile and a lot of alts are on their way down, besides a few which may be a strong buy such as ETH. I’d say hold on to that 400 and paper trade, and or put it into BTC or some long term investments like the S&P 500

BaldDragonSlayer

Longevity Escape Velocity is a real thing, and with AGI seeming fairly likely within two decades and ASI almost inevitable at some point after that, it wouldn't surprise me if cutting-edge medicine can eliminate age-related causes of death completely within 50 years for wealthy/connected individuals. So secure your BTC to a ridiculously paranoid level, maximize your sovereignty in all dimensions of life, be very health and longevity conscious, improve your networking skills over the coming decades and this is very much on the table for most of us.

BrockHolly

that’s how FTX collapsed, every BTC in their exchange was counted twice.

SafeMoonJeff

Whatever exchanges you like, doesn't matter. Get them out into a Ledger nano S or Trezor Safe 3 (both cheap like 70eur) Use BlueWallet as watch only wallet to monitor your incoming BTC or watch your BTC without connecting your hardware wallet Cheers

Drissek

The point is … if you really really Want that bike and it will serve you good and satisfy you. Then do it. That is the whole point. And keep buying BTC as you go. Life is short and unpredictable … do both… plan for the future and live the moment. Balance it your way.

Mecanik1337

I am not trying to hold onto anyone's BTC, I must pay for third party services on my end with BTC, thus I need to charge with BTC. I wanted to use BTCPay server, unfortunately it's just invoice based.

GentlemenHODL

Always ask yourself if what you want to trade your Bitcoin for is a asset or liability. If it's a liability I would wait, especially with where it looks like we are going. If you were saying sell half to buy a house I would say go for it. Can't you pick up an extra shift or do something else to increase your savings so that you don't have to dip into your BTC?

Peter4real

His original 1k investment is never gonna be worth millions anyway. Why bother? Yes in 30 years he could likely put a down payment for a home. But he could spend 6 years enjoying his new bike while saving up for more BTC.

Btomesch

War prints moneys. Moneys go to BTC. War makes BTC go up.

TheGreatCryptopo

This dick waving shit will continue, Trump the peacemaker will step in and stop the dick waving missiles shit and the markets will recover. Oil price will be stable around the $80 mark. BTC will go north of 110k and then on to the next crisis. BTC down, crisis resolved BTC up. This short term nonsense is noise. Buy your BTC hold long term and go out and play.

tungfa

that is a hard hard call , i had a KTM EXC 250F back in the day and oh DAM - what a beauty !! (i miss her ; ( than i got a Yamaha WR 250 which is half the price of the KTM brand new and yes , that is a deal, great bike , i enduro it now since over 2 years, much cheaper to fix, much less maintainance … Safe your BTC and get a Yamaha (can’t belive i am saying that out loud ; )

Simke11

Its worse than that, because people who have been in crypto have also lost interest. Myself included. Sure I’m still holding BTC I bought in ‘22-‘23, but timeline is getting close for my planned exit.

GreedVault

This dip in BTC isnt that significant. The pullback was bound to happen anyway, we had quite a strong pump in May.

Reasonable_Leg_4664

That’s a nice bike! I rode a 500 husky today. Get a loan for the bike and if for some reason you have a hard time paying back the loan, sell some BTC to cover the payment. BTC will probably go up more than the interest on the loan. You could even sell some BTC every month for the payment if you want. Reverse DCA.

bimbobandit2016

Yeah, we've not had any super scary dips on BTC this cycle

bimbobandit2016

This time alt season will be alts going down less than BTC for a few weeks

SuccessfulRing5425

I just bought [this](https://postimg.cc/9Rvzny8t) sports bike today (2001 honda CBR600 F4i). It was a little less than 2 bit-cents (I used cash). Get a bike. Don't buy a fuckin 12k dollar bike though. That's almost 5% down on a 300k house, and soon enough, 12k USD of BTC at the current price will probably be a fair amount more than that (in USD).

Back2thehold

Get a BTC loan on Strike. Pay it back over a year. Keep is super conservative and eat the 12% interest. YoY growth should be greater than 12 if you are lucky. No income taxes on the loan either. BUTTTT if the price tanks you can get liquidated. Then you have lost your BTC, your ability to pay it off instantly and you have bike payments. Double fucked. (Or triple depending on how you look at it). Just delay the gratification another year or three is my vote.

Meanmanjr

BTC should be for needs. House. College (debateable). Covering a loss of a job. I treat it the same way as a 401k.

SashaBanichek

I had a ton of XRP and sold out to Bitcoin and increased my earnings substantially almost immediately- but BTC was in a huge dip. Since then I know have BTC and XRP… I converted SOL and ETH Friday as well. I’m new too and I guess with $400 to spare I would buy XRP and wait or BTC and wait. Either really reckless or rather pedestrian. Good luck!

Froz3n_Cornchip

Nice one whole BTC you have 100k in your hand right there.

RollingMeteors

>If you have to print money to fund the war and the economy is based on a unit of currency that can't be created out of thin air the war becomes unsustainable. … No… money isn’t being “printed out of thin air”. The money that *is* being printed is deluding the value of the current supply. You’re not ‘printing’ money to fund the war, you are simply devaluing it. If you can fund it with devalued money you can fund it with *far less* valuable money. I’m not convinced this argument holds water. If it costs money for war, you just need less crypto than dollars to do so as the dollar plummets you need more of those for war and BTC sky rockets so you need even less BTC to fund the war…

UseIntelligent6282

You are now holding 100k worth of BTC, you could do a lot with that. What are you planning !!

lechuckswrinklybutt

If by compromised you mean: is it traceable to the same person as the KYC BTC then yes of course. You moved it out of that account before the other tx finalised but what does the timing have to do with anything? Both stacks are linked because they are both linked to that account.

After-Score-5687

Broo Micahel Saylor Fucked Bitcoin for life already. Anyone who calls someone who owns and gonna own 3% plus of entire supplyis retarded. Thats about as centralized as it gets. Unless Satoshi shows up to donate his whole supply then BTC future is looking scarce by the month. Now Banks/ REAL money wont touch it with people owning that amount. He alone could send the price under 10k let alone when Satoshi market sells EVERY exchange which wouldnt even fill half his bags sending orice to few hundo laughing at a world financial crisis lmao . Real Real $$$ will NEVER chance that cmon

Im_A_Fake

I like the approach of using Strike. You get a fiat checking account when you sign up with them. The app is the best bridge I’ve seen between bitcoin and fiat. The strategy looks like this: Funnel all your fiat income into Strike and have it automatically converted to BTC. Use credit cards for all of your spending. Pay your credit cards from your Strike checking account and your bitcoin will convert automatically to fund the payment. Pay with Lightning directly from the app wherever you can. Now you don’t own any USD👌🏼 They have business accounts too.

After-Score-5687

Sorry to burst your fairytale world but thats not even remotly close to how it works or even makes sense. BTC over 3 Trillion MC is NOT in infancy by any means buddy. For the OG holders its not just insane but has been unimaginable!! To think I was trading 100 BTC a day @ 300 a pop smfhhh so yea its insane!!

MarioWilson122

Yeah its really hard to predict what will happen. It's always something that comes up for it to dump again to a new low. Im atleast hopeful that it will fly towards the end of the year like past cycles. P0⁰8Hard to predict if this time it will be different im sure most hope not. Atleast BTC gives us some hope for the market im glad I have some.

Cannister7

By buying it. Having said that, I would imagine there are still some places where you can "earn" a tiny amount of BTC by doing something simple. Why are they "disgusting"?

Double-Risky

Mate zooming out doesn't tell the future. Fiat currencies are also what people can get returns on with too, and pay for their stuff etc Block chain could even be the future of international finance and fiat, as well as decentralized web 3.0, and rogue cryptos etc, and still that doesn't guarantee that BTC itself will keep going up forever

NoDistribution4521

Right, next bear market when it goes from 1 million to 700k, so \~0.2 BTC.

Ten_Horn_Sign

You don’t think people fake Bitcoin? I promise you they do. And it would be incredibly easy. Patron sends $105k to your exchange to buy BTC. You update his account to show 1 BTC. No actual BTC acquired. Maybe he withdraws it? Fine. I bet less than 20% of people withdraw their coins from exchanges. Boom, you’ve now got fractional reserve banking and a bunch of paper BTC out there.

First_Foundation6896

By the way, I'm seeing a lot of misinformation here. May 2025 was the most profitable month for BTC mining in history, with net profits of $1.52 billion. Owning your own mining rig and using your own electricity is far from the only way to mine BTC.

Top_Mind9514

Listen, you “BTC-less” of a fool! Your understanding of what a digital token (which BTC is), is lacking. Simply put, every single website that you visit, utilize, or/and sign in to, issues YOU a Token. Did you know that?? 🤔…. Obviously not. It’s part of how this thing called the INTERNET WORKS. That means your banks, your stock market analysis sites, your grocery store app or website for when you order food, everything. So, for BTC not to have any value, nothing would have value, except for what you said it has. BTC has a limited supply. Never gonna change, NEVER. First rule of Economics 101= Supply and Demand. We’ll have much more to worry about in your Mad Max universe

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retr0ctv

Should have used a local library, and spend $$ on BTC, duh!

Ancient_Chef_8279

Shit, you used to get 5 BTC for solving captchas

WellPayed

So we have alt holders fatigued, BTC.d above 61% and ETH has rallied +50% since lows. Aren't these pretty good signs of an alt season within the next few months if not sooner?

East-Caterpillar-895

9 / 10 doctors PREFER BTC

ZeThing

You are right, i only started stacking up 5 months ago. I don’t expect to get rich quick. Personally think the massive gains from the past are not happening again in similar timeframes. But i believe BTC will keep trending upwards and beat most other investments

new_anon45

They mean market cap, but it would be foolish to think BTC will 15X and gold won't even 2X during that time frame. By the time BTC sees that 20T market cap, gold will be at 40T+

WayneGuru101

You must of just bought BTC… You’re not going to see a crazy return like that especially in 2025…. You will possibly see a return in a year or two… I’ve been holding BTC since 2017…. All I can say it may be one of the best things I’ve done with my money.

MicroRootAI

Man, this hit hard. It’s wild how many of us had that “Ron Weasley moment” realizing we’re not the players, just the pieces. Bitcoin really is that first opt-out button that actually feels like it might work. You’re right it’s not just number go up, it’s sovereignty go up. If you’re serious about transacting with bitcoiners, check out BTC Map and Peach Bitcoin (for P2P). Also, Nostr’s growing network is filled with builders and circular economy folks. The parallel economy is quietly coming alive. Glad to have you building in it. We’re early, but we’re not alone.

Significant-Ad7664

Yeah, everything is proof that the CIA conceived BTC or at the very least seized control of it. You saying the creator wanting to be anonymous is proof. CIA was created to conduct covert missions both stateside and overseas. They have worked with some of the biggest criminal organizations. They have a secret agenda that works best when there is no paper trail. Natalya Kaspersky said CIA created BTC. One of the original BTC developers spoke at a CIA conference about BTC before it was developed. Need more?

Saco1

I recently just sold all my BTC. This is the end bois. Time to put that money into whale blubber.

HoldHigher

No, you do not have enough capital. Just long BTC, MSTR, MSTY, ARKB, MTPLF etc.

LesserApeDude

there will certain be some wealth redistributed to holders by the time the 'tutes hit 95% ownership of BTC

trainingdayeveyday

I invest 90% into BTC, been around 3 cycles now. Used to buy alts the first 2 cycles but after covid my speculative bets are done in the traditional markets with AI, big data, and robotics. Tradfi companies for speculative investing offers me more certainty vs most altcoins which mostly don’t have any value as it’s just a theory they are selling

Over_Eye2707

Fiat currencies will never stop devaluing… BTC will go up forever. Most people only see the volatility in the short term and don't zoom out. 

ZeThing

Doc says no, stick to BTC [coinmarketcap.com fuck coin](https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/fucktoken/)

bsc_rug_pulls

Turns out I have an island to sell you for 1 BTC

Hotplate77

The amount of BTC which can be mined is drastically reduced after halving's every four years. This is highly debatable whether it increases BTC's price or not. Not sure if I muddied the water or helped. Nothing guarantees a BTC price increase, otherwise everyone would bet the farm every four years.

Savik519

MSTR legacy bloat? At this point their software business is barely a blip on the radar. I can't imagine that is hindering MSTR in any way. I do like Mallers though and think XXI will be a success. Most of these other BTC Treasury Companies are pure shit and will be seen as the grift of this current cycle like we've seen in the past with FTX/Blockfi crap last cycle and shitcoins before that.

BigTroutOnly

BTC and USD are not equivalents. One is an actual currency you can trade goods and services with BROADLY

DebianDog

cost at a transaction level. why would you use bitcoin? there is literally no advantage. I think it’s a good use case like airline miles or hotel points. you can use the token on the chain of your choosing to have value. So if I go to a hotel one time and get 100 points or tokens whatever. and don’t want them but others are collecting miles or hotel days I can sell the ones I don’t want. Maybe FOR BTC.

SevereArrivals13

BTC at 105k is crazy great with all the bullshit going on in the world Stacking more on every dip

MR_PRESIDENT__

Conflicted as to whether it’s better to sell the alts on the next pump (at a loss) and put it into BTC. Or sit it out some more lol

BoysenberryHappy2462

First buy was November 2024. $20 BTC.

Asianfoam7

I’m no expert so someone tell me what part of my hypothetical bullshit is correct if any. Before quantum computing has the power to completely destroy the encryption of SHA-256/be able to figure out wallet seed phrases there would be adoption in other fields of tech. Meaning that quantum computing at its first public use won’t have the power to destroy the BTC blockchain and once various parties gain access to the base tech, it will allow the BTC blockchain encryption to be reinforced and upgraded in a similar level of effort to it being broken. The case where quantum computing is developed in private to the level of breaking the blockchain wouldn’t actually happen because it could be used/monetized in so many applications in more primitive levels of development.

dheera

Most people don't understand it, people are too chicken to send BTC past 110K evidently

DeaDad64

100% in lockstep with you my man. So sick and tired of the puppetmasters and their insatiable appetite for extracting from the rest of us. BTC feels like it could be an off-ramp but honestly my cynical mind feels the same assholes extracting every drop of wealth from the world will find a way to derail BTC or co-opt it to their advantage. It doesn't seem even remotely feasible that they will let a new system rise up and supplant the system they currently dominate. IMHO BTC will succeed at as an off-ramp if and when the biggest money players of the world allow it to. I could ramble on forever but I'll leave it that for now. Thanks for summarizing what so many of us feel.

PlusAd1718

If you open a fidelity crypto IRA, you can indeed purchase direct BTC.

BigTroutOnly

Really? The Fed, with its member banks, performs a set of institutional functions for government and banking. You can literally start with wikipedia.. as MS Copilot.. whatever you like. Bitcoin can not perform monetary policy functions for the Treasury or the private sector. That said, I have a chunk of change in BTC. Im a believer. But, I know it's worthless without fiat.

GlockenspielVentura

Pure Bitcoin Treasury company by Jack Mallers and some other big backers in the space. Aim is to create an improved version of mstr (no legacy company bloat, no transition to a BTC treasury). A company literally started for the sole purchase of using cheap debt to buy Bitcoin and never sell it.

GlockenspielVentura

I bought BTC through strike

biba8163

> Past returns are done. We’re talking about the future..... In the last 3 bear cycles bitcoin dropped 70-90%. Its upside is roughly a double. Past returns are done, we're talking about the future....so why are you saying 70-90% drop like in the past? (and it never dropped 90%) > Gold, silver and certain stocks are better risk/reward than bitcoin. Gold is set to double with a 20% downside. Silver is set to 4X if gold doubles given the gold/Silver ratio with a 40-50% downside. - Silver price is still -36% from 2011 price. Silver price is still -36% from 1980 price. -36% for 14 years or 45 years. This dogshit is a better risk adjusted play? - Gold hasn't doubled from it's 2011 price yet. That is almost 15 years. But it's suddenly going to double from current record price? - Gold price after its 2011 high dumped for 9 years until 2020 Covid to recovery to that price. - Gold price Nov. 2023, 12 1/2 years later Gold was still the same price as it was in 2011. - Gold price was down -45% at its lows from its 2011 price, so it's a -45% downside and 9 to 12 years to recover. > Gold and silver are the much better risk adjusted plays IF there is continued demand for BTC, it's unlikely that Gold and Silver, 2 commodities where the production supply increases dramatically if price goes up are better plays. What is more likely is the long number of years of underperformance of Gold and Silver like we've seen in the past as production ramps up to meet demand. The better risk adjusted play is Stocks, U.S Treasuries, Gold and BTC as the ultimate diversifier.

daynomate

The fundamental part is the blockchain that carries it, but it can carry any value - it’s the same method to deal with a satoshi or 10M BTC.

Reasonable_Band1536

I thought you couldn’t purchase BTC directly with them. Only ETF’s.

Willing_Coach_8283

Saylor gets desperate, no one is buying BTC any more

Willing_Coach_8283

Yeah, stay away from that sub, it's full of bitcoin maxies and no discussions are allowed except about how BTC is great. Also remember to LEAVE that sub when you got banned, don't allow them to keep inflated number of members There are some other bitcoin related subs, like r/btc where all discussions are taking place

CleverClover222

Same....in fact ALL utility. That was ALWAYS where I saw opportunity (and I still do despite my current bleak perspective). I hold everything you hold (but QNT and BTC instead of SUI & FLR) I just am really hating crypto rn.....no idea why? I'm up 50% still but my heart just isn't in it. The whole "feeling" I used to get....idk I guess it was kind of....excitement? a rush of adrenaline? was it dopamine? no f'n idea.....perhaps it's just temporary? I hope so! How are you feeling atm?

BigTroutOnly

How is it an alternative exactly. Can BTC mitigate stagflation, unemployment, or hyperinflation?

AccordingHost5719

Buy 30 BTC and I bet it will get exciting again

Willing_Coach_8283

Lmao, now those morons have lost a truck, expensive mining rigs and face a jail, while probably being able to mine 0.05 BTC. Low IQ idiots

EmptyReceptors

BTC different now since there are ETF. We will never see a 70% dip again. 125k by 2026? Likely.

TomorrowSalty3187

When you make a payment with BTC is that considered a sell so you have to pay taxes on that ?