BTC

Jthecrazed

Dutch tax lawyer here. This article is ass, it misrepresents what the legislation actually is: a small tax benefit for dutch nationals. So hereby a couple of corrections. Previously the dutch government taxed unrealized gains already on bank accounts and investments. Crypto was exempt as they thought it wasn't an investment. That was remidied a while ago. The new bit is that crypto holders may report their actual gains if they are lower. So if you can prove your BTC dropped in value, you don't pay taxes and can deduct your losses from other profits. This is quite nice as if you have 12% gains you are taxed at 6% and at 3% if you get 3%. Last but definitely not least: This law only applies to dutch (non-corperate) tax residents.

Patrick_Atsushi

BTC as main trunk, switch some to eth when eth/BTC is low, et vice versa.

Patrick_Atsushi

With each shitcoin dies, BTC gets bigger.

BB63_Htown

They liquidated their BTC assets themselves. The company is converting to AI Data center operations. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitdeer-sells-entire-bitcoin-stash-135554538.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAI7VdNEQ1FGB-3PP2el5ETN3EudExyqveGwIuKzPDwBOZOI5ACHK4fdG5ve_ydSFsggyK-px1_iplvXOQsCBlIclBGT0HjjHpMIsqG1TckFz14YZQT1YbqmFZSEn2GSHdN_YcZ_Qi69RZUVEMYdOpdENSjnkq0u7LlXcT4lKrYos

MrMiyogi

BTC > crypto

Sars-CoV-2-delta

Not "crypto's" competitor, certainly not BTC's, but otherwise yeah.

Emergency_Scheme_670

Not true. If you invest $300k in BTC at $40k, sell at $150,000 and profit $825,000

Sticklefront

There's over a trillion dollars in BTC, huge amounts of it from sophisticated financial institutions, and nobody can figure out to buy on Sundays and sell on Fridays with leverage to make obscene amounts of money? Nah, it doesn't pass the smell test.

bitcoin_islander

Metals do a 3x every 20 years. Bitcoin up that much in less than a year in bull runs. Cherry picking to say metals outperform it means you've never looked at the GOLD/BTC chart.

Merchant1010

Honestly, I just trust BTC.

Maritime88-

How do you know Bitdeer liquidated 900BTC today? Surprised they would do it on a Sunday

chainer3000

Not necessarily, but I do believe in the BTC cycle as I’ve watched it happen every time. I feel this time will be less extreme because of institutional ownership. It was just a hypothetical - i think id start considering btc around 25-30k but it depends how quickly it gets to that point. I know there are lots of maxis here who say always buy, but ive always thought that was stupid. I’ve made quite a bit in crypto, but then again I also traded away BTC at 15$ for weed

MuahahaGuy

I think BTC is going to have problems for a while. I'm worried about the mining data centers moving to AI and what that does. The lower the price goes the less attractive running a mining data center will be.

Aedotox

You start stacking BTC the minute you think you've been clever for not doing so

ElevatorMate

I think you’re right. Sad, but true. BTC will be the only one worth anything eventually, because so many corporates and governments are in it for the long term.

PowerFarta

BTC is just on the way down. If anything this would be bullish as tariffs capped at 15% and limited in time

chainer3000

My question is when do you start to consider stacking BTC again? If it keeps declining steadily for months, where do you go “oh hell yeah, gunna scoop as much of that as possible”. For me I think 2-3 years from now

OpticallyMosache

Is there a forum somewhere that is filled with people that believe in BTC? I'm looking for a like minded group of people that accumulate BTC no matter the price. I'm especially interested in people that self custody because they believe BTC is a hedge against centralized networks and fiat currencies. I hold Bitcoin as insurance against a future where traditional systems fail. Would be awesome to find somewhere to chat where you aren't constantly arguing about Bitcoin's price forecast 60 minutes from now.

kenavr

I guess I am in the wrong sub for that, but is it worth saving? What are the real world applications for it that justifies past and current value? Most people invested because they hoped for big spikes not because they saw worthwhile applications or major benefits to the world. It won’t go to 0, it will just be something that exists with maybe new projects with good marketing coming up. The boom is over, it’s just moving closer to it’s actual value. (That could still be a higher BTC value but overall the hype is over)

MoneyOptimal6395

No people cried about it being the end in every bear market. That is why it's a meme that BTC is dead.

OpticallyMosache

Only crypto worth holding a significant dollar amount of is BTC.

Necromancer1899

It doesn’t matter. Even without major developments, ADA will likely revisit around $1 once liquidity flows back into crypto. That’s an easy 3x from here. If you think crypto is dead, that’s fine. Let’s revisit this when BTC is back above $100k.

choccybanana12

I've been doing well for myself with this strategy for several years, so I'm fine with it. I'll take the risk to make money along the way and still have some BTC holdings for when it appreciates. Buy and hold is your strategy and that's fine.

BacchusAndHamsa

tariffs have nothing to do with BTC fall over past few months

BakedGoods

if falls every sunday, without fail. tends to recover during the week. anyone who follows BTC knows this.

Boddis

That part of crypto deserves to die. Mainstream buy BTC and other top coins. We don’t want institutions buying in to it, as it defeats the purpose - but if they do - they’re buying the smart plays. Stay away from shitcoins.

Necromancer1899

It's impossible to predict the bottom, but it's quite likely that BTC hasn't bottomed out yet. Not even a 50% drop from ATH.

Emergency_Scheme_670

Yes my friend! We might see $40k in the next 3-4 weeks. But it will trade sideways until Oct 2026 (my guess). I timed this bull run according to the 4 year cycle and pulled out very close to the top in GREAT profit. this has been the most successful bull run for me and i've been in the space for over 10 years. My 2 cents: Wait. Don't rush in now. When BTC Bottoms, it will run 10% around that price for weeks and months end

Silent_Ad_655

Smug twat. Boomers know far more than you give them credit for, as well as a lot of them holding a hell of a lot of BTC, probably more than you do.

Necromancer1899

While it's difficult to predict for how long this accumulation phase will last, my goal is to accumulate a decent amount of BTC (at an average of $60-65k) and ADA (at an average of $.25-.30). Would expect at least 2x on BTC and 3-4x on ADA during the next bull run.

Necromancer1899

Yes. Start investing on Crypto again once BTC is close to it's new ATH.

_SlipperySalmon_

Can someone explain why all the shit coins (eth, solana, etc) tank right alongside BTC at the same time? Are there equal amounts of traders with leverage with those shit coins?

usedmattress85

Last year I owned 37 doors of real estate. By the end of this year I’m hoping to own 7. I will be parking at least a decent sum of the proceeds into BTC, which I plan to buy around October as I think that will be the most likely time for the bear to bottom. I’m not telling you what to do but I know what I’m doing. I’ve done the RE thing and I found it was too much work for too little reward when compared to market investments, but I’m lazy so there’s that.

Bilatsibagya

I only trade and invest in OG ETH and BTC. The rest are garbage

Shot-Structure-1274

Governments won't buy it and financial institutions won't either, so who's left? Hedge funds, traders and retail. I don't see the adoption growing. Also, the BTC network is dead, transactions are not in usage.

Necromancer1899

Yes. They don't accumulate during the bear market due to the fear of BTC going to 0, and only come back when it's at around $100k. At that point there's not much upside in investing on BTC, so they try to pick up the flavour of the season. Some folks get lucky, but most end up losing money, and cry during the next bear. I've been seeing the exact same pattern on this sub for the past 6 years.

postexoduss

Your post was not clear to me but. If you have 65k disposable capital and a 6 year horizon, then do it. But you need to weigh this gamble against gambling the housing market in your area, and profitability/return of your home purchases. You have left out a lot of critical information. I am a BTC maximalists but also a realist. You need to determine your horizons particularly at 59 and what your net worth is vs your goals. Either way you are gambling not investing no matter which way you go, no one can really read the tea leaves. As far as maintenance of an asset BTC is easier than property, but again without knowing your property market no one here can make an educated guess for you. Personally BTC has been my best performing asset. Again that's very particular to my situation.

partyboycs

Short it more... everything you got. Use leverage!!!! No way it'll ever go wrong for you BTC to 0 😈

davidmthekidd

BTC it self usually corrects 85% at the end of each bull cycle, so it still has a ton of downside to drop.

No_Alarm6362

I purchased 3 BTC during the pandemic for $3k each. Sold them at $1,000 profit on each and felt pretty smart. Watched it go to $75k and felt pretty stupid.

Shot-Structure-1274

BTC has no role in the portfolio for managed money and therefore has become a failed asset class for traders and speculation. Big money will not own crypto assets.

NonVideBunt

You’re right. And there were plenty of much better investments to have your money in. BTC is headed that direction. But think of it this way… maybe if your lucky your kids will be able to get something out of it 😂

BB63_Htown

They are publicly traded BTC mining companies. Bitdeer was in worse financial condition and liquidated completely. That's what caused the sudden drop today. I bought 1BTC at 64k. Clean Spark has a much larger BTC holding of about 13,500 BTC and about 400-500 million in cash reserves. They are far less likely to exit completely, but even if they liquidate a thousand BTC it would send the price down again. Bitdeer liquidated 900+ BTC today triggering fear. I almost bought more at 64k, bit held off after learning of the possibility of Clean Sparks possible liquidation (partial). Waiting until tomorrow to see if there are any other copycat securities filings (Form 144 or 8-K).

No_Alarm6362

but I can lose it all. BTC will likely not go to zero.

Impressive_Pilot8415

Just buy BTC & chill.

NonVideBunt

I can’t wait for BTC to fail. Only because r/BTC is like people standing inside a burning building saying everything is fine. It would be hilarious to see the ensuing posts of them constantly patting themselves on their insecure ass trying to make each feel like everything will be ok. Which are already what that sub is.

NonVideBunt

No he’s right. Hope your bags aren’t only BTC. You’ll be on a street corner for retirement 😬

Legal-Net-4909

BTC has the cleanest long term chart. That part is hard to argue with. It has the longest track record, the strongest brand, the deepest liquidity, and the most institutional adoption. If someone wants the lowest stress exposure to crypto over a multi year horizon, BTC is usually the base layer. But “only” depends on your risk tolerance and goals. Historically, BTC tends to lead early in a cycle. Later, capital rotates into large caps and then smaller alts. That rotation is where outsized gains sometimes happen, but it also comes with much higher drawdowns. Many alts never recover after a full cycle. So one approach is BTC as a core position, and selective alts as satellite positions. That way you anchor the portfolio in the most established asset while still allowing asymmetric upside. The real question is not whether BTC is the only one worth buying. It is whether you are optimizing for stability, maximum upside, or a balance of both. If you want a structured comparison between BTC and major alt categories in terms of cycles, volatility, and survival rate, there is a pretty detailed breakdown on NIHONCASI that maps this out historically. It helped me see why BTC tends to outperform over very long timeframes, even if alts spike harder short term. At the end of the day, surviving multiple cycles matters more than hitting one lucky 10x.

GreenStretch

Could be worse, I walked by a BTC machine yesterday selling at $89k when the price was $68k.

I_Walk_Slow

BTC giving AOL vibes. We are still early

Necromancer1899

I'd start already. BTC will probably bottom out at around $50-55k. An average of $60k is still quite excellent if you're looking to invest serious amounts.

usedmattress85

Based. I’m also a BTC trader. I believe in it long term but I view the volatility as a gift. The predictability of the 4 year cycle coupled with the volatility, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel.

No_Purchase4145

"Você precisa lembrar que isso é um investimento de longo prazo, mínimo de 5 anos. Por favor, não pense que é algo de curto prazo. As pessoas que estão ricas hoje com BTC são exatamente aquelas que vêm comprando e investindo de forma consistente há 5 anos ou mais. Isso é muito importante, não é esquema de enriquecimento rápido!"

ImBack6942

Nobody answering this question buddy 😂 keep your own BTC amount known to yourself. go get ur bread up broke boy

nomoney110

I couldn't care less. I'll continue to hodl only BTC and ETH.

IamEatman

oh man, buy fractional BTC instead.

azblazer007

BTC only learned my lessons to many times. Maybe little eth or sol if anything

Aimeponi

XRP is the safe girl in school you chose to marry. Vanilla. Slight gains but won’t be anything crazy. So depends on your expectation & risk tolerance. BTC the wild one. Go big or go home. No real world use case has always put me off on BTC but I’ve made money on alts pretty well. ETH the middle ground-ish. All other coins a mixed bag. I personally look to real world use cases but to each their own really. Try not to ask for investing advice online man. Gotta build and do your own thing or you’d hate or blame in the long run.

Miserable_Twist1

Yeah, so cherry pick your buy and sell times. That works for any price below the ATH. What kind of dumb argument is that? Yes if you are a swing trader, May 2021 was a good entry price, if you happened to exit at the second peak. June 2022 was garbage regardless of how you cut, it went sideways for a year, you had an entire year to pick up cheap BTC and you could have put money into more productive assets over that time.

Kemilio

That’s why I’m invested in QRL, and buy ETH and BTC on downturns like this. People be greedy. It’ll swing back up eventually, im literally betting money on it

rnewfortress

This is complete misinformation, BTC is a speculative and Unstable asset , its 100x volatile than NASDAQ. Tell it as it is , please don't lie. It's $64k now! With current US political scenario it's a huge gamble. Small investors ($10k to $100k portfolio) are biggest to lose.

m3lonfarmer

Better to invest in BTC below 50k later this year.

Xennenial

To render certain Bitcoin wallets invalid would require 51% of miners to all agree on a protocol changes to BTC's network. No one has ever gotten miners to agree on any network change in BTC's entire history. What you said is entirely possible with ETH or SOL wallets but it would take a medical to do this with the BTC network.

usedmattress85

Well ok not “always” as in it could theoretically be different in the future. However, thus far it has behaved with an astonishing degree of regularity to the point that I would say it’s one of the most predictably behaving assets on the planet. And the amount of posts on this sub that act like what’s happening now is in any way surprising is wild. BTC is currently doing the exact same thing that it’s done EVERY PREVIOUS MARKET CYCLE. So point taken, not “always” but “so far, and right now”.

CipherScarlatti

Guys, I thought we all agreed on coordinating what the price of BTC and ETH were doing so we could all make money on the predictions markets!

Tryxxsta

I always say BTC is based off people’s interactions. The entire crypto market is dry, no posts, even this thread responses are hours in between. Nobody cares about BTC, even tik tok scammers have moved on from crypto because they don’t even get the interactions.

Necromancer1899

This is another excellent opportunity to invest money on BTC or other established projects. Goes without saying, invest in tranches and only amounts that you can hold on to for a while.

Ok_Golf_6467

*sighs* Buys more BTC

Nice_Material_2436

Only looking at BTC is your first mistake. How many have missed the gold and silver trade and how many will miss the oil trade?

WeatherInfinite39

Trumps gonna buy 1 million BTC

crazy_lolipopp

I mean if you bought BTC in late 2022/early 2023 you probably did a 5x... but yeah, outside of BTC crypto has mostly been a shitshow since 2021

dmitryaus

I wouldn't touch crypto until Saylor and MSTR people are wiped out from the market. I will also wait to see who's gonna take over the 700k BTC stack. It most likely will be Trump's family. So a rug pull will be inevitable in a few years.

aegiroth

I thought BTC had reached a new chapter, with the new etfs, and acceptance by mainstream. I thought 100k and 90k were the bottoms

Calm-Professional103

No. I hold BTC as a store of value, ETH for the fact that practically all meaninful DeFi infrastructure development occurs on Ethereum, DASH as a spending coin and XLM for fast and inexpensive transfers.  

usedmattress85

Your optimism has no effect either way. BTC will always top 12-18 months post halving and then bottom 12-18 months post top. Narratives change and every time people say, “this time it’s different”….its never different. We will chop sideways with some relief rallies and then dive into the ultimate bottom sometime around Octoberish. Then begin the slow climb back to new ATH from there. Round and round she goes.

aegiroth

I am pretty devastated. Gold and Silver are up. I believe in the BTC narrative, and didn’t expect this last november and january. My chest feels hollow.

Sweaty_Platypus69

BTC finally decide to react on the tariffs..

kc116_

Yes — if the transaction was successfully broadcast and confirmed on the Bitcoin network, it will absolutely show up in a fully synced client and the balance will be calculated correctly. “Offline sending” (like coinb.in) just means you signed the transaction offline. Once that signed transaction was broadcast to the network and confirmed, it became part of the blockchain permanently. Any fully synced wallet with the correct keys will reflect it. If your balance is higher than expected, a few possibilities: 1. You didn’t actually send the amount you thought (e.g., 0.1 instead of 0.25). 2. The transaction was created but never broadcast. 3. It was broadcast but never confirmed (very unlikely after years). 4. You’re looking at a different wallet/address set than before. 5. Change output confusion — you may have sent 0.25 BTC but received change back to a new address in the same wallet. The easiest way to verify: • Look up your wallet addresses in a block explorer. • Find the old transaction and confirm the exact amount sent and the fee. • Check whether there was a change output returning to one of your addresses. If your node is fully synced to the current block height, the balance it shows is derived directly from the blockchain — so it should be accurate. Nothing sounds “wrong” from what you described — it’s most likely either change output or remembering the amount incorrectly.

xarips

not everyone here buys BTC dumbass

PM_ME_DNA

Just EUSSR things. While not legal, it would be ethical to not report your gains and losses. Just send your money to a foreign account and purchase BTC there.

CryptoCircle_

I think BTC is the most important and safest for the moment, it currently dictates all the other ALTs, but in the future, maybe not so distant, I personally think that things will change radically, .. but BTC will still remain at the top

Suspicious-Case3861

I'd also add this technology would also compromise a lot of traditional security methods. My point being this wouldn't just affect BTC.

SteveW928

Sure, there will always be both, at least until one day if Bitcoin either fails, or eventually succeeds and settles down into being primarily just a solid currency everyone uses. At that point, most of the speculator/investor class won't care, and move on to other things. But, there is a mathematical sense in which if it doesn't die, it can't help but go up against an ever expanding fiat supply. While economics is a social-science endeavour (hence the people-behaviour and trust aspects), I don't think it will be possible to suppress that overall movement through the volatility. I can't blame everyone currently. Even a Bitcoin maxi, if they have several hundred or thousand BTC is likely to start spending some of that at points. If they've been waiting to try and catch a peak (and who wouldn't?), we'll always see some sell-off at perceived high points. I don't think it necessarily indicates a shaken trust. Then there is the underlying macroeconomics. The world has been quite a crazy place in the last months, and at the center of it, Powell and Trump have been locked in battle over starting up the printer. USD liquidity is tight. Bitcoin is largely not understood. People are probably going to sell it out of their portfolio first, if things aren't great or are tight. So, I wouldn't agree it relies on trust and nothing else. It is a near-perfect monetary instrument that is worth a lot. Don't believe the 'no intrinsic value' people. The best money won't, and even gold isn't worth that much in terms of 'intrinsic value' if you strip away the monetary aspect. At the core, nothing really has intrinsic value... it's all determined by people and markets. The real breakthrough, IMO, is when start seeing that ability for Bitcoin to change the world, or watching people flee countries WITH some of their wealth, or surviving bank freezes/seizures, or funding a protest the gov't is trying to stop. Or, when you recognize all the prosperity and productivity gain the fiat system has stolen, or all the damage 'endless' fiat money produces in the hands of the gov't. This is when you flip from an investor, to a true Bitcoiner. It becomes like fire, the wheel, the printing press, or the Internet. Once you see that, you can't un-see. 'Laser eyes till fiat dies.'

AvatarOfMomus

The real question is who is going to spend tens of millions on quantum computing lab only to crack Bitcoin wallets, when as soon as that is proven to have happened the price is almost certain to crash to zero... That said, it may do that anyway if it's even shown to be possible via a proof of concept, since BTC price is more to do with 'vibes' than anything else...

wjean

So what models of BTC miners should we expect to see in the market in the coming months at a discount? I seem to remember the ant miner s9 getting super cheap with the last btc slump.

doublebottomW

ETH and maybe a little bit of BTC. ETH would likely be the most dominant blockchain with real world use and generates staking yield.

Ok_Golf_6467

I'm working OT everyday and buying as much BTC as I can right now

MotoMola

You guys are like the Canadian Liberals. Blaming everything on Trump. Meanwhile BTC is following the halving cycle as planned. You knew about Oct 6, '25 being the peak for like 2 years. lmao

LexxM3

BTC for anti-money-supply-manipulation store of value. XMR for self-determination and privacy. ETH for blockchain applications technology. There are a few others that are technically (but not financially) interesting. —— SCAM LINE STARTS HERE —— Then there are a 100 thousand useless memecoins. Then there are government stable coins.

chubs66

I've held BTC, Eth, and Chainlin since 2017. I just converted all of my Eth into Link. It's on the verge of something massive.

Illustrious_Ant_9242

Sell your stuff for BTC. Worked in 2011, still works 

zooka19

Yeah I was still wondering if it's worth it. I'm red on all besides SOL and BTC, but the profits outweigh the losses if I just cut em all.

Plane_Baby

Does your barber accept BTC? Add him to BTC maps.

Legitimate-Mistake40

Little do these idiots know that BTC is the only crypto you should NEVER buy! They have no idea.

drezbz

Guys… do you notice how every day on social media it’s the same topics popping up? ‘What if BTC goes to zero?’ ‘What if ETH goes to zero?’ We’re basically in the fear‑zone era, where everything suddenly feels like it has zero value and everyone flips into panic mode. But then when we’re at ATH, those same people swear it’s going x10 from here. Just an interesting little time window we’re living in right now.

MtGloomy0420

$BTC, $SOL, $XRP one day, I really like $HBAR. $ADA as alternative to $BTC and $SOL. $LPT as outside project.

sudo-apt-get-upgrade

BTC is a commodity. It does not count as income when you acquire it. You only pay capital gains tax when you trade or sell

juanddd_wingman

Oh incredible, now I suppose I will have to sell all my BTC to get ADA, great deal, amazing !!

BPT242

Lmao this is funny. Every time BTC is sky rocketing or just performing well nothing. When it tumbles all the doom post. I'm not a BTC zealot but BTC has proven to bounce back every time despite everyone insisting it's always "different" this time when BTC "dies".

brownhan1

wow Bitdeer really went cold brew on their BTC stash, that's a bold move!