BTC

MarioWilson122

Yeah, it might not be anymore after how badly it played out last cycle. Usually, it was worth holding a few grand, or even a few hundred dollars, worth of alts prior to the bull run since a good amount of coins would pump enough to make more money than just throwing it into BTC. But now it might be different. I suppose we’ll find out for sure after the next top since Trump won’t be in office doing what he was doing, such as those tariffs that helped drain the market dry. Maybe this time around the president won’t care about crypto, which is actually better for crypto, in my opinion.

andersonle09

Only about 4% in BTC right now. It was a higher percentage before the drop...(Like 8%)

Fun-Analysis-182

Mostly BTC, some index funds so I can pretend I'm diversified, and enough cash to not panic-sell the BTC in months like this one.

Double-LR

I think you are already half correct with that last sentence. BTC still possesses some confidence from the market. The rest of the crypto universe… not so much. Most people with even 1/3 of a functioning brain realize it’s 99.9999999% rug pull operations all the way to the bottom at this point in time. This doesn’t mean you aren’t able to make some profit along the way, but let’s not just ignore the enormous amount of shitcoins out there. A huge amount of completely worthless, functionless and effectively dead coins; it’s like a fucking ocean of shitcoins. And if we want to put a bunch of transparency on the subject from OP while we are at it: the threat BTC faces right now, which it also happens to be extremely vulnerable to, is not quantum computing but emotional, social, geopolitical and stakeholder owned media driven pressure. I am in the camp of people that believe BTC has been heavily manipulated over the last 3 years.

No-Masterpiece2246

That's a convenient metric. I thought STRC was designed to stay at $100 and they'd buy more BTC anytime it went over that price? So if anything, STRC is just a burden on mNAV and MSTR share price too.

arturas_rizen

Isn't this all the incentive to make a quantum resistant BTC and begin the migration? What other option is there? Since freeze or leave is a pointless discussion.

Gangaman666

Who the fuck day trades with BTC?

Venij

Strategy mNAV was historically only measuring MSTR valuation to BTC holdings. The company has made a drastic change in product offering and a lot of value comes from their STR*x* offerings. With those products included mNAV as "Collective stock value to BTC holdings" is at 1.04 today.

unknowngloomth

People use hyperliquid to trade. The platform. People don't use BTC for anything other than holding and expecting price appreciation hyperliquid has a cashflow. BTC doesn't.

46692

This is the main thing that stops me from owning BTC. If you get your shit stolen, nothing you can do. All I’m sayin is if my money market shares dropped below $1, there would be bigger problems on hand.

steve_b

4% of total bitcoin compared to about 12% of BTC which is actively traded. So he doesn't have half the market, just a third.

kbreezy200

I think his biggest flaw is that he made it such a public thing announcing his love for BTC. If he would have keep it on the low he wouldn’t have so many hunters trying to snipe his bag.

gushkaper

Chill, just wait a while for BTC to regain traction? Then everyone will be a genius again and STRC at 100$ Probably in a couple of months.

whisperedstate

Well good thing I own zero BTC. I just like watching the clown show.

unknowngloomth

I hate this kind of posts. Many altcoin did delivery awesome rois last cycle. SOL, XRP, BNB. SOL blew BTC out of water. OP probably picked up so trash coin. Didn't take profits. He's probably underwater and frustrated. Now he thinks BTC is the panacea.

Garrett_CPAatCOS

Similar to a stock portfolio, I recommend keeping the majority of your holdings in the "blue chips" (BTC and ETH) and a smaller allocation in "growth stocks" (altcoins). The exact percentage depends on your risk tolerance, how essential those funds are to your financial goals, and when you expect to need them.

setokaiba22

Because they see value in fiat and not BTC

setokaiba22

Well Bitcoin isn’t ‘real’ money either In answer to OP never.. it’s as mainstream as it will be really. The only reason general public gets involved is to ‘make’ more money/value. When it’s down there’s no interest really. It’s not widely accepted despite it being banded as so and most people prefer fiat which is much much more stable. And I say this as a BTC holder

No-Masterpiece2246

It's indicating a trend reversal, in the next few days BTC will drop below $60k again. This is a key price area because it's the on edge of mining profitability and a also a zone that BTC was stuck in for years in 2023.

No-Masterpiece2246

Alts have decoupled from BTC, which is dropping due to ETF rehypothecation.

No-Masterpiece2246

other than the fact that it wipes out hopes of a BTC pump in the next few months

ChangeHeroOfficial

Bitcoin is the foundation of crypto, no doubt. But writing off every alt is missing the whole point of this industry. Innovation happens across the ecosystem, and strong decentralized projects will always have a place alongside BTC.

Always_working_hardd

Gonna replicate this but I only have 1 BTC, so I'm gonna send it to myself 21 million times.

No-Masterpiece2246

I don't think they could keep mNAV private? They're a publicly traded company with no assets other than their BTC. They have to file an 8k form every month which reports their buying and selling. And yes, mNAV is **MSTR premium over Bitcoin,** but it's less than 1 right now, which means Strategy shares are trading well below the value of their total BTC holdings. That probably means investors don't trust Saylor to act in their best interest with the coin.

tj78492

😂 BTC went from 126K -> 58K, Silver went from 122 -> 58. Its the same shit with less 0s lol

Fraisey

Nothing anyone does like this is effecting the decentralised nature of BTC. Nothing changes bitcoin and that's the point. If people want to use a decentralised network in a centralised way, them they're welcome to. And anyone else who wants interact with bitcoin without anyone being able to do anything about it can do so. 

ParfaitQuick8426

Here's your crystal ball. BTC has a cycle every 4 years, called a halving. When this happens, it has 2 spikes..a small one, then a big one the year after. 2028,2032,2036,2040. 4 years, that's the halving cycle. The year following that 2029,2033,2037,2041 is when the big spike happens. After these 2 years, it goes back dormant until the next spike or (halving). Currently, we're in 2026. The spike happened in 2024, 2025 was the big spike..2026 and 2027 its dormant. There you go, 16 years of the future.

DefinitelyNotAnBot

BTC feels like the safer long term play, but alts can still be worth it if you actually believe in them. Id keep BTC as the main bag and only hold a few alts im really confident in

BestialitySurprise

For one, I think BTC has become too mainstream for it to be as predictable as it once was. Second, we have a big recession coming along from a mountain of debt that's going to wreak havoc on financial markets. When money pulls out of investments, values will drop and that includes BTC. What's about to happen is unprecedented and no chart of the past is going to show, because the most recent comparison we have is 2008, which was before BTC's time, and ironically the reason BTC was created and launched in 2009. I think BTC is going to hold out with strength due to the hardcore believers but $100k+ was not because of hardcore believers; it was propped up by average investors who won't have the money or guts to jump back in for years. So don't hold your breath for another moonshot this year or anytime soon.

Aggressive-Ship2270

BTC, Eth, Sol, Hype and Lighter! Hyper liquid and Lighter actually have a great product and are making CASH!!!

Equity_Role

This isn't financial advice but if home ownership if your goal you are doing it wrong by buying BTC and hoping it will go up.

t0m0hawk

The fallacy of get rich quick. You just end up losing tons of money. I keep saying it, its absurd how closely some of you watch the price. I check in to make sure I know roughly where its at. But if your staring at 5 minute candles holy moly are you ever in for a bad time. Lol the only way people have made money on BTC is by buying and holding. Those who break that mold are just getting lucky. All luck runs out.

Blade_Runner_69

I'm more or less a BTC maxi, but I don't hate crypto if it serves a purpose. So it has to be Monero, for the privacy. Unfortunately 95% of the crypto space is trash especially centralised, or meme tokens.

AssPunisher6969

Your post screams "I'm investing beyond my means". Stop spending so much on it if youre that poor right now. No one know what will happen short term with BTC. But you know you need money short term. That's the problem here.

BeautifulScientist33

Bro, in 18 month, BTC will see 120K again. This will definitely will be

The_Bitcoin_Act

Worth separating the mechanism from the narrative here. Bitcoin’s correlation with risk assets (Nasdaq especially) has been running high for months, so any geopolitical shock that spikes oil and pushes yields around is going to hit BTC through the “risk-off” channel almost mechanically, it’s not really a crypto-specific story.

punppis

I have a domain at A.com - its my very active bank My friend has domain B.com - wealthy investor ”So the B.com has not done shit in years its probably insecure - we should freeze the assets so they cant be stolen.” What the fuck im missing here? All the quantum stuff is complete nonsense because the internet will be fucked at that point. If you could freeze the coins or require some kind of activity, the value of BTC to me and many others is a round zero.

t0m0hawk

Why are we constantly rushing to make a post like this everything BTC goes up or down a fraction? If you are looking at the price this closely and you are taking cues from these price fluctuations... you are not prepared to deal the asset's volatility.

AdOk1101

ADA is the only serious protocol.  ETH is still playing tech catch up to ADA.  BTC was first, thats its only reason why people buy it even though its the most obsolete tech.

Aanetz

XMR. Much like BTC, it's not going away. Not with all the surveillance state & tech giants snooping every faucet of our lives.

Exact_Release5966

Can't argue with BTC. Do you see it as digital gold, or do you think it'll evolve into something more?

JuxtaposeLife

I bought heavily at low $60k in Feb. I've continued to the last few months. I have 8 buys below $65k this year. I suspect many many others are doing the same. Which is how a bottom forms and the front running of October flood back into BTC starts.

Ok_Ad_5894

So BTC isnt safe so what the purpose anymore?

Funnellboi

BTC or ETH is clearly the obvious answer. However, if you want to "venture" out into lower cap coins, I would say any of RENDER, CRV or TEL would be my choices.

AltruisticYam7670

Wouldn’t that be the end of it all? Maybe satoshi is just waiting for BTC to go up more and just does not touch it till then?

Wadafak19

BTC

blaxx0r

if we may earn native yield, probably SOL because i think we can recoup the initial investment, which i would then put into BTC if straight hodl, BTC frw

phaattiee

The longer the “mild” bull markets go for the larger the moon will be, every passing year BTC doesn’t just crash to nothing is another year it’s store of value as a speculative asset solidifies and the less risky it appears to more conservative investors (which are by in large the ones with the largest pockets).

MinimalGravitas

Not my choice, but probably a better option than SOL or BTC.

MinimalGravitas

Holding SOL long term will be looked back on exactly like we look back on EOS, NEO etc. BTC might be fine in 10 years, but it faces 2 long term risks, the security budget falling and the threat to old UTxOs (potentially about 30% of BTC) from quantum computers. There is no way to know when either of these will result in an attack, but there is also no sign of any meaningful consensus from the bitcoin community about what to do about either risk (other than trying to avoid talking about them). So that leaves ETH. Since the move to PoS there is no risk to the security budget, and a fairly simple analysis of addresses shows that less than 0.5% of ETH is in accounts vulnerable to the early private key hacking type of quantum attacks that threaten bitcoin. On the other hand, heads of literally the biggest financial institutions in the world are currently talking about moving the legacy financial system onto 'one common blockchain' and have been deploying tokenization projects to Ethereum. https://ethereumadoption.com/built-on-ethereum/ There is more value in RWAs on Ethereum than on every other chain combined; more value in DeFi on Ethereum than on every other chain combined; and more value in stablecoins on Ethereum than on every other chain combined. The answer to your question seems pretty simple.

DrSpeckles

Yea I reckon you might be right. I doubt BTC will be worth much at all, its just a useless HODL coin and if thats what you are after youd invest elsewhere. Has to be one on which lots of other things are built. SOL or possibly ETH.

Alatarlhun

No. It is not proof BTC is successful as payments. It is a pro-bitcoin reddit thread with anecdotes and opinions. Even inside that thread, the evidence is mixed with people conceding LN uptake is lower than expected, nodes have declined, and self-custodial Lightning is painful to run.

Survivaleast

Probably ETH. Have been messing around in that ecosystem for the past 10 years already. Found more use out of it than anything else, and the staking has been nice. Close 2nd BTC, but just for holding since there isn’t much to do with it otherwise. BTC is a rich person’s game at this point. To 3x or 4x from it we’d need big big numbers from the next bull run if there ever is one. Most commoners aren’t going to buy BTC worth hundreds of thousands, so it’s dependent on institutional accumulation - which seems counter to the point of its creation.

Forward-Ad-6688

BTC hands down

2peg2city

BTC mining is pretty centralized tbh

unknowngloomth

Why are you wasting time on this maxi regard? I will tell you something. Avoid BTC maxis and buttcoiners like the plague. Both of these people are regarded as fuck. BTC maxis are perma bull and buttcoiners are perma bear. This maxi regard assumes people can't make money off of alts which is false. You can as long as you don't fall in love with any coin..

unknowngloomth

$1000? Lmao, this dude likely doesn't have a diversified. This sucker probably held BTC and didn't hold Nvidia which basically blew BTC out of water. Regard maxi ass..

MinimumWrong6961

BTC only. Ignore all alts and I do mean all alts

R4ID

>Sure but how long and how much resources would be required to crack? https://quantumai.google/static/site-assets/downloads/cryptocurrency-whitepaper.pdf Google published it thinks theres a 10% in the first year of gen 1 Quantum Computer that it will crack ECDSA. but it also states that future generations will drastically reduce resources required by almost 20,000X cheaper and total duration could get as low as 9 to 12 minutes. So the real thing is, since most early BTC are spread out over multiple wallets, what's the best strategy to make the most profit and how does that affect us/the market. Essentially if you can crack a wallet but it takes 1 full year, its gonna be rare and not as catastrophic right away, but if it scales quickly and you can eventually get something more reasonable like say a week, day, hour or like in the paper 9-12 minutes. If nobody else has cracked it yet, do you just secretly keep going down the rich list and cracking each of them but not moving the coins just yet. Like i think if you stacked up the keys to say the top 2000 richest wallets from that era. Then Opened a 100x leveraged short position while dumping all the coins at the same time. The profit could potentially just be "all the money" essentially.

Aeschbacher15

What about that other time when they sold like 30 BTC and the chart went down 30%?

R4ID

LOL at the BTC maxis. I imagine this will result in a split chain again. we'll have BTCQ and BTC

Extreme_Exam7914

Most alts are still tied to BTC’s cycle, so if BTC runs, they’ll likely run too. The difference is that with a smaller market cap, I can potentially get a much higher ROI than BTC because it takes less capital to move the price

Flexerrr

BTC holding strong while the shitcoins collapse like predicted

unknowngloomth

Why do you ask this kind of regarded question for strangers? Nobody fucking knows, dude. As we don't know your risk tolerance and time horizon.This market is chaotic. Link is a trash coin. It's massively down from its ATHs. It hit a new ATHs back in 2018 roughly 8 years ago. The bagholder ceiling is fucking brutal. XRP print good gains. It outperformed ETH massively last cycle. As for BTC. It has a huge market cap. So expect more and more diminishing rois.

retro_grave

You're not missing much really, except wallet upgrades has been done several times already with the Segwit and Taproot standards. The original scheme is P2PK and is what these legacy wallets use because they've never had a TX on them. BTC has just always remained backwards compatible with these legacy wallets, but it could choose not to be if nodes (i.e., the public) wanted to.

retro_grave

Is this like "first law of reddit" shit? Pithy ignorant opinions get the upvotes. Satoshi's wallets are legacy P2PK with unhashed public keys directly exposed. All modern wallets are Segwit and Taproot, where the public key isn't directly exposed until there's a TX. And it's already considered best practice to never reuse BTC addresses, reducing your risk of exposed keys. So these original wallets are literally more at risk than the rest of BTC. It's also entirely reasonable for the network to make decisions to protect itself from bad actors.

unknowngloomth

Compare BTC to Nvidia. Nvidia blew BTC out of water despite BTC having an enterprise such as strategy aping and Trump backing it

MuXu96

Not a single BTC . RIP

IronLawResearch

Strategy selling to fund dividends on their preferred securities isn't the same as Saylor losing conviction. It's balance sheet management — they're still holding 843,775 BTC. The actual signal worth watching: what do long-term on-chain holders do during this period. OG wallets (5yr+) have stopped distributing. That's historically more meaningful than one institution's treasury operations.

Cute_Menance

You are looking for "relative strength," and it is one of the most profitable setups in crypto if you time the BTC pivot right. The manual way to do this is to open TradingView, pull up the altcoin's BTC pair (e.g., SOLBTC or LINKBTC), and look for higher lows while BTC/USDT is making lower lows. On the USD chart, you want to see the alt holding above its 8-period or 21-period EMA on the 4-hour chart while BTC is aggressively flushing. When BTC finally stabilizes and prints a reversal candle on the 1-hour, the alts that refused to break their local support levels are the ones that will squeeze the hardest. If you want to automate this instead of flipping through a massive watchlist during a dump, you can run a free scanner like [https://compoundpulse.io/scanner?ref=reddit](https://compoundpulse.io/scanner?ref=reddit) to quickly filter for alts showing strong relative strength and high volume inflow while the rest of the market is bleeding.

Cute_Menance

You're looking at the wrong timeframe or mixing up your tickers because Bitcoin (and IBIT since its launch in January) is actually up over 100% year-over-year, significantly outperforming QQQ's \~35% run. But if you're talking about the chop since the March highs, the divergence is pure liquidity flow and sector rotation. Tech has been carried entirely by massive AI capex spend and mega-cap earnings (NVDA, MSFT), while BTC has been digesting the post-halving supply shock and massive outflows from GBTC. The miners pivoting to AI (like WULF and CORZ) are doing it because they have high-density power contracts ready to go, which the market is valuing at a massive premium right now compared to pure-play mining margins. If you want to track where the actual institutional volume is moving between these two regimes without staring at charts all day, you can run a free relative strength scanner like [https://compoundpulse.io/scanner?ref=reddit](https://compoundpulse.io/scanner?ref=reddit) to filter for high-volume breakouts in both tech and crypto proxies.

Romanizer

In worst case that's 7,200 BTC per day. That's what the strongest imaginable quantum computer could extract from Satoshis wallets. The first cryptographically relevant one would harvest up to 50 BTC per day. That's a bit more than the orderbook in worst case but still inside the daily trading volume. I would assume there would be some demand for Satoshis coins. Price crashing would also be pretty good as this also increases volume and fees to earn.

PrettyQuick

Its amazing. More BTC for my euros.

Nice_Material_2436

Where would you get the money if someone decides to cash out all that BTC on your exchange?

Top_Performance_732

BTC ripping is literally their business plan so yea this checks out

Nice_Material_2436

Because the promise was there will never be more than 21M BTC, now you're telling me it can be changed?

EarningsPal

BTC rips or Strategy RIP

deltamark_btc

OP called $62.5k pretty accurately. BTC broke $62,600 support overnight and is sitting right at that level right now. whether it goes to $53k from here is the question - there's a real test first around $61,300 (significant wick low from a couple days ago, massive volume candle swept stops hard then snapped back clean). that's the first gate. if $61,300 gives and holds below, $53k is on the table. if it holds there with a volume reversal, the whole picture resets. watching $61,300 for the next directional read.

No-Masterpiece2246

But the Blockstream Core devs have controlled development very tightly, meaning BTC chain improvements are regarded.

f08g

the ONLY thing that will save mstr at this point is BTC ripping. after 15 years in finance i can say with 100% confidence everything else is just financial engineering, left pocket to right pocket stuff investors won't give credit to

Head-Examination1429

It happens more often than you’d think. Memecoins can move independently when there’s a strong narrative, influencer attention, or a sudden wave of speculative money. They don’t always follow BTC or ETH in the short term, but they also tend to give those gains back just as quickly. That’s why I keep most of my portfolio in longer-term holdings, and while I’m waiting, I use a platform to earn passive yield instead of constantly chasing meme pumps.

theincognito66

The last time the Strait closed Iran was allowing passage for certain vessels by accepting BTC payments. The price didn't crash that much during this time. This appears to be a bit of catastrophizing on your part.

FennelDeep5552

If AI ever trades BTC with each other, that just means humans automated trading strategies. It doesn’t imply some runaway system. And hacking banks isn’t an “AI instinct”, it’s a human misuse problem. The real conversation is about regulation and security, not sci‑fi scenarios.

kepalautakkau

why not just sell it through the normal process and use it to buy btc afterward? might be a lot easier than trying to find someone who specifically wants to buy land with BTC

DarkRoast_XYZ

Just my opinion. If you call your portofolio is investment, then you should DCA BTC, not alt coins.

shpeucher

There’s only one BTC I’m going in on

ElderMight

>4) don’t store more than 0.1-0.5 BTC on each wallet Why? This is not necessary >5) keep them in a safety deposit box at the bank. Safety deposit boxes are actually not secure. The bank does not insure the contents nor do they guarantee against loss or someone opening it and reading the contents >6) never tell anyone you own BTC This is ok but very strict. It's important to not tell anyone how much btc you own.

MC_SKWAIRD

Also, 4) don’t store more than 0.1-0.5 BTC on each wallet 5) keep them in a safety deposit box at the bank. 6) never tell anyone you own BTC Wallets are cheap, and deposit box is $99/year in my area. Good luck brotha

DontLook_Weirdo

They seem bearish because they didn't bother to look at why. Yeah, he broke his mantra.. but dividends have to get paid somehow, and he sold thousands and it barely even made a dent... Lol BTC is fine, and so is strategy.

igrokyourmilkshake

It's all built on trust. Freezing Satoshi's BTC will ruin BTC and likely crypto at large. If we actually develop the quantum tech capable of cracking wallets or mining more reliably, then no currency is really safe (among many other industries). I'd rather crypto fail and actually have the benefits of quantum tech than ruin it prematurely without having quantum tech. That's like asking for a divorce now because there's a possibility in a few years you'll meet and fall in love with someone else who's perfect and your spouse will leave you.

OneImportance4061

Buffett also said BTC is rat poison squared and he would not buy all of it in the world for $25.

SmartestMoth

I believe that there have been security improvements to Bitcoin wallets that make them less vulnerable to a quantum hack. Because Satoshi wallets predate this they are vulnerable. The worry is that the sudden spike in supply once these old wallets are hacked will crash BTC value

Vino1980

When we reach the next ATH, hopefully BTC will go all the way to $250k, then a lot of people will sell, while no-coiners will be envious and kicking themselves for not buying low. With all this selling and profit, many retailers/companies will create benifits/perks if you have BTC. Naturally BTC will go back down to, $125k and bring in a lot more people waiting for the next ATH.

Good_King9558

Good, 1 company owning a lot of BTC is not healthy

AlternativePut87

Appreciate you sharing your perspective. I just started buying into BTC recently - better late than never I guess!

AndyKJMehta

Is freeze effectively code running on at least 51% miners that deny movement of BTC from specific wallets?

Substantial_Shop_171

Sadly, there are viruses that do nothing other than look for wallets on your computer and drain them. They don't need the seed, they just do a basic send transaction from the wallet as if you did it yourself. Might be what got you. And you don't need to interact with a suspicious link or phishing email, they can hack a reputable site and infect you through it. Obviously most sites/companies have their own security and firewalls to prevent this, but not all, and none are completely secure. Even the CIA has been hacked. Why cold storage is so important for any amounts that are more than trivial or not being actively used. But do you see the transaction sending it out in your history? Because it can't just disappear, it has to be a transaction, that's part of the security of the whole network and why we say BTC can't be hacked, only the wallets and exchanges. If there's no transaction, including the ones you know about, then you might not have been drained, your wallet is just messed up. They can get screwy with updates and whatnot and do stuff like open to a different account or chain. But the virus could also do it, so don't get your hopes up yet. Create another with the seed and hopefully it will be there or the transaction draining/sending it will be. Conversely, if you have your public address, you can search it in a block explorer and will see all the transactions, including you funding it and the drainer. Then you can follow it to the hacker and report it to the police. However, most criminals are using mixers, so it could become a dead end, so don't get your hopes up on that. Good luck, hopefully with this and in the future.

ElPozonCgena

Don't waste your money on a shitcoin, buy BTC & SOL if you want to make real money

discussionandrespect

Decentralized means there’s not one singular entity with decision making power. If this were to happen it would happen democratically voted on by the thousands of developers who have worked tirelessly to make BTC what it is today. That sounds pretty decentralized to me.

Veganarchyst

Are you willing to live lean if the price drops or doesn't recover for a long time? Are you willing not to splurge or overextend yourself with toys and big houses when BTC goes way up, so you are prepared for when it "shocks" everyone again with how far it falls next? If you are okay being super frugal until your stack has 10x or 50x from where you are now Then yes, retire. Get the f- out of the grind