BTC

BoyleSphere

The concern I have is that bitcoin is 17 years old now and doesn't seem to have very much real world adoption. When the world wide web was 17 years old we had amazon, ebay, wikipedia and many other business and services that people used and paid for. I see very little evidence of people using bitcoin for anything other than speculative investing. Im not trying to be a hater, I want to see this succeed. It seems for the last 5 years there was massive hype around the ftc approving bitcoin for etfs and other financial services. Now that has come and gone. What else is there to justify a gain in value for BTC?

lobhater

If it makes you feel better I mined a block of 50 btc myself... Discovered silk road, spent all the BTC and sold all the equipment for silk road. I'm an insurance agent with 2 kids today 😔

Signal-Fig-2952

This is a deeply unpopular opinion in the bitcoin self-custody world, until someone loses everything because their single sig seed gets hacked. Custody with a large regulated company like Coinbase or Bitcoin ETFs are safer for the vast majority of people. This shouldn’t be shamed — self custody folks should continue to do so, but welcome Coinbase, Robinhood, and ETF investors who will all help increase the value of BTC in the long term.

Ok-Sympathy9768

I am thinking the next high will be in that range too; best case scenario. I am convinced It’s a 4 year cycle; best case scenario I ask myself, what truly is Bitcoin’s use case that can lead to mass adoption? The only thing I can think of is absolute collapse of fiat; but even then how do you spend BTC safely for goods and services? The other real use case is moving large amounts of wealth secretly to hide it outside the law. This is my third bitcoin cycle; so I am new to it. I was one that thought for sure it was different this time around. I was wrong and I will not make that mistake again. I listened to the wrong people, tom Lee and saylor saying it was different this time; claiming a super cycle and the 4year cycle was broken I sold off almost all my stack though when it dipped into 90k. I will only hold ETFs now ( in tax advantaged accounts). I don’t see bitcoin as a “store of value” any more. Money supply is increasing, institutional adoption and bitcoin should have mooned and broke the cycle this time around .. it didn’t.

Gangaman666

There is no such thing as "blacklisted BTC" Only blacklisted addresses.

FunWithSkooma

L-BTC -> L-BTC (or any asset minted on Liquid Blockchain) takes 2 minutes and only needs 2 confs (1 minute per conf) from L-BTC to -> BTC it takes the normal Onchain time, 10 minutes per conf. It pretty liquid because all the LBTC to BTC is 100% on Blockstream side, the idea is that for every 1 Bitcoin swapped it 1 L-BTC that is minted, for every 1 BTC taken out it 1L-BTC burned.

Potatotornado20

0.25 BTC should be enough to retire on if you can 2-4x it in the next 11yrs by buying and selling the next three cycles (buying in 500 days before halving and selling 500 days after).

Unfair_Implement_582

BTC it’s obviously being manipulated now by groups like State Street and the other firms that have turned Bitcoin into a Financial vehicle for manipulation.

filenotfounderror

Unlikely TBH. Its not that ASIC miners weren't profitable, its that companies selling them were all shady as fuck. They would never deliver the miners on time and they would pre mine with the machines before sending them to you. So the realiry of any btc you could mine was much lower than any theoretical amount. You would have 100% been better off just buying BTC directly than buying an asic miner.

EarningsPal

So someone can construct a database of BTC balances linked with Identity and Location?

No_Community7021

Creo que no influye que todo el mundo lo sepa porque a quien afecta principalmente es a los minero y por lo tantoichas dejarán de minar y otros seguirán. Como inversor te puede beneficiar o perjudicar. En cierto modo BTC tiene cierta predictibilidad. No soy experto sólo estoy pensando en alto.

MakeItMine2024

The last 3 BTC highs m: from 2017 to 2021 high 251% higher and the 2021 to 2025 high was 82% ( about 1/3 or 17 to 21) I would conservatively estimate the next high to be about 27%to 50% higher than 126,000 to 160,000-189,000

Roquer

I ordered my butterfly labs asic around that time and paid for it in BTC. By the time it arrived 6 months later the coin had gone up 8x and I knew it would never mine enough to make up the difference.

Efficient_Range1156

I’m selling my ND3 miata to buy more, I already have a lot of BTC. It is my favorite car. I hope this answers your question.

SunsoutNeedMoney3150

Cherishing BTC over wife and kids! You need to reassess.

Global_Strain_4219

Why selling all? :( Couldn't you held like 1btc? My biggest mistakes were always dumping everything. We all know that one day BTC will be 1M$. Why not just keeping one?

BoyleSphere

The concern I have is that bitcoin is 17 years old now and doesn't seem to have very much real world adoption. When the world wide web was 17 years old we had amazon, ebay, wikipedia and many other business and services that people used and paid for. I see very little evidence of people using bitcoin for anything other than speculative investing. Im not trying to be a hater, I want to see this succeed. It seems for the last 5 years there was massive hype around the ftc approving bitcoin for etfs and other financial services. Now that has come and gone. What else is there to justify a gain in value for BTC?

so-many-user-names

I doubt BTC will be around in 20230

TheZebrawizard

It's possible. Anything can disappear. The thing bitcoin has going for it is that it can be used as a easily transferable global asset. But if some else gets adopted over BTC which would be inevitable.... Well you can say goodbye to bitcoin.

user_name_checks_out

> I am not a core developer or a Bitcoin expert, Are you a bot? This post smacks of ChatGPT. > Here are the key anomalies that the official version fails to reconcile: > 1. The Impossibility of Wave 1 Velocity (July 30, 2026) > The attack began at 01:31 UTC on July 30. Within exactly 41 minutes, 1,196 high-value addresses were systematically drained of 1,082 BTC. To achieve this speed, an attacker cannot scan the entire Bitcoin state blindly. Jesus Christ. This is so fucking stupid. Obviously the attacker prepared the transactions in advance. That was plainly obvious from the moment the attack unfolded. This post is a complete load of crap.

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Post is by: EpicPanda404 and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1vpvvj4/i_audited_drprofits_own_vip_telegram_history_from/ I’ve followed DrProfit’s content for a while, and one thing that always stood out to me is how often previous predictions are later described as having played out “perfectly,” “exactly as predicted,” etc. I wanted to know what the record actually looked like **without relying on screenshots selected after the fact**, so I decided to do something a bit more systematic. I then fed everything into ChatGPT and asked it to audit the posts chronologically. The important part is the methodology: **A prediction gets frozen at the moment it was made.** Later explanations aren't allowed to change: * the target * the timeframe * the conditions * or what was originally expected Then I checked whether he: 1. hit the prediction, 2. partially hit it, 3. missed it, 4. explicitly invalidated it beforehand, 5. or later described it differently from how it was originally presented. For several of the major predictions I also checked the actual subsequent market outcome. This produced a much more nuanced picture than I expected. # The short version After going through the archive, my conclusion is: **DrProfit is clearly not someone just throwing random predictions at the wall.** There are some genuinely impressive calls in the history. At the same time: **the retrospective version of his track record is noticeably cleaner than the actual real-time prediction history.** Those are two different statements, and both appear to be true. # Some of his strongest calls # 1. Early-2024 Bitcoin bull-market call — very good On February 18, 2024, after Bitcoin broke approximately $48.5k, he became extremely bullish and described it as the beginning of the major bull phase. BTC subsequently went through $70k, $100k and eventually much higher. This wasn't a vague “Bitcoin will go up eventually” call. He identified a specific breakout level and changed his stance accordingly. **My audit score: 9/10.** # 2. September 2024 Fed 50 bps cut — excellent In August 2024 he repeatedly argued that Powell would cut **at least 0.50% in September**. The Fed then cut exactly **50 basis points** on September 18. This is one of the cleanest predictions in the entire archive because: * it was specific, * it had a deadline, * and there was no way to reinterpret it afterwards. **10/10.** He deserves credit for this one. # 3. June 2025 BTC $120k–150k forecast — strong hit On June 29, 2025, he said Bitcoin could reach roughly: **$120,000–$150,000 over the next few months.** BTC subsequently entered that range and eventually traded above $120k. Because his forecast was a **range**, I don't think it's fair to say it failed simply because BTC didn't reach $150k. The lower part of his stated target was reached. **9/10.** # 4. $115k–125k BTC short zone — probably one of his best trades This is one of the more impressive parts of the archive. During August/September 2025 he gradually: * sold spot, * moved into USDT, * and built BTC shorts inside approximately **$115k–125k**. By September 14 he stated that he was effectively: **100% shorts/USDT and 0% spot/stocks.** BTC eventually topped around the upper edge of that area before falling significantly. As a **trading zone**, this was extremely good. **9.5/10.** # But there are significant misses too # ETH $10k–14k prediction This is probably the clearest failure I found. On July 23, 2024, he published a very specific ETH roadmap: * **Q3 2024:** $4,500–5,500 * **Q4 2024:** $5,500–8,000 * **Q1 2025:** $5,500–8,000 * **Q2 2025:** $8,000–14,000 He also explicitly expected: **ETH $10,000–14,000 within one year.** That simply didn't happen. ETH remained dramatically below those targets through the stated periods. Later ETH eventually reached approximately $4,800 in 2025, and that move was heavily celebrated as another successful ETH prediction. But here's why maintaining the original record matters: Calling $4,800 successfully later **does not retroactively make a $10k–14k one-year forecast correct**. Those are different predictions. **Original ETH forecast: 2/10.** # February 2025 ETH call In February 2025, around roughly $2.1k–2.7k ETH, he said February, March and April were ETH's strongest months. He was confident enough to effectively say: **“In two months we will find out.”** ETH instead remained weak and went lower. The bullish thesis was subsequently extended further into 2025, and ETH did eventually rally strongly later. So directionally the longer-term bullish idea eventually worked. But the **specific two-month timing didn't**. I'd score this around: **4/10.** This is an important pattern I've noticed: **His directional instincts can be substantially better than his timing.** # The 2026 recession / stock-market crash call This is probably the single most important failed macro prediction because it had a hard deadline. In September 2025 he argued that a major recessionary / 2008-style crash was coming. More importantly, he didn't just say “eventually.” He said the market had: **maximum time until Q2 2026 — approximately May/June — before the recession broke wide open.** He was still pointing toward June 2026 as the important crash area in May. That deadline passed. The massive crash described in the original prediction did not occur within the stated window. That makes this fundamentally different from saying: > The original prediction was falsifiable. And based on its original terms: **1/10.** The crisis thesis may still eventually prove correct. But if it happens later, that doesn't make the original **“maximum May/June”** prediction correct. That's exactly why I froze the predictions before judging them. # The $145k–150k BTC controversy is more nuanced than I initially thought This one surprised me. At first I thought I had found a pretty major contradiction. On August 24, 2025 he said he expected: 1. a September BTC correction, 2. followed by another rally toward roughly **$145k–150k**. Later he became extremely bearish and described \~$120k as the cycle top. That sounds like hindsight rewriting. Except when I dug deeper into the archive, I found something important: **he actually did publicly cancel the $140k thesis before the later outcome.** By September 10, the $140k move had already become only one possible scenario after the expected $90–94k correction. And on **September 26**, he explicitly wrote that circumstances had changed and: **the $140k target was invalid.** So I don't think it's fair to call this a fake prediction or contradiction. A trader is allowed to change his mind when information changes. In fact, that's usually what a trader *should* do. # But there is still a problem with how this gets remembered later Later he summarizes 2025 roughly as: > That's not completely false. He did pivot and position for the top. But it leaves out an important part of the history: **only weeks earlier, he himself had also been expecting $140k–150k.** The full history is therefore: **bullish $145–150k target** **→ conditions deteriorate** **→ target becomes conditional** **→ target explicitly cancelled** **→ full bearish pivot** **→ $115–125k becomes the major short/top zone** That's actually pretty good adaptive trading. But: > would be a much cleaner story than what really happened. And this distinction is probably the biggest thing people should understand about his content. # Another interesting example: the 2022 $18k BTC bottom DrProfit frequently references his legendary \~$18k Bitcoin bottom call. And to be fair: **it was a good call.** During 2022 he repeatedly bought BTC around $18–20k and called the area the bottom. BTC eventually bottomed around $15.5–16k. Calling $18k from dramatically higher prices is still an impressive macro call in my opinion. I'd personally score it: **7.5/10.** But the complete archive contains another detail I almost never see mentioned. On **June 13, 2022**, while BTC was collapsing, he wrote that although he had previously predicted $18k: **he no longer believed in $18k because too many people were now calling for it.** He subsequently changed his mind again and returned to the $18k thesis. Later he repeatedly bought there. Again: there is nothing inherently wrong with changing your mind. But saying years later: > makes the path sound considerably more linear than it actually was. # Altseason is another case where the reality was more nuanced In December 2024 he strongly announced that: **altseason had begun.** At first I assumed this was another bad call because of how badly many alts subsequently performed. But after checking the market at the exact time of the prediction: he was actually pretty justified. Altcoin-season metrics were very high in early December and many major alts were outperforming BTC. So the original **“altseason is happening now”** call was fairly good. Where it became weaker was the expectation that this would continue into a much larger sustained cycle. I'd give the original call around: **7/10.** # So what is DrProfit actually good at? From everything I've seen so far, I think his strongest abilities are: # Identifying major Bitcoin zones He seems genuinely good at recognizing: * accumulation areas, * distribution areas, * major technical regime changes, * and spots where risk/reward becomes interesting. The $115–125k short area is a good example. # Changing positioning Contrary to what I initially expected, he actually does change his view when the evidence changes. He repeatedly talks about being “like water.” The archive supports that more than I expected. The $140k cancellation is a good example. # Macro narrative construction Some of his macro calls have been excellent. The 50bps Fed prediction was very impressive. Howeve

L4gsp1k3

So you are asking in a BTC group, whether it's good to buy BTC or not? This is an echo chamber of magnitude when it's coming to BTC, this group is perma bull and will without a blink in their eyes tell you that it's always the best time to buy BTC, while they are cashing out.

Illustrious-Boss9356

Im with you, but the truth is adoption for real world has actually gone down. Im all for BTC but can't be in denial about reality. Hope vendors come around.

BitInfyOfficial

The conviction is impressive, but the debt part makes me nervous. Putting $90-95k into BTC is one thing. Taking loans, stopping pension contributions and selling your flat makes the downside much harder to absorb if BTC stays down for years. The 10-year thesis might work, but the real test is whether you can comfortably survive the 2-3 years in between. Markets have a way of testing conviction when you need the money most. Hope it works out for you.

ALPHAETHEREUM

I'm using it. Since 2015 Japan is crypto friendly. I used it to pay utilities, bills and mom & pop shops. Sadly, because everyone is so hopeful with fiat to make them rich, there are lesser place that accepts BTC. But I'm using it to pay for services and I have bought a small condo in Tokyo using BTC way back in 2016. The crazy is you and the shit is your mentality! Get out of Crypto!

Successful_Ad_380

If the amount of nonsense in the comments is any indicator then I would tell you to buy now and coming months. BTC is around it's low.

VivaHollanda

I have to make a strong case for BTC, so let's make a fake statement and compare BTC to six weak economies!

Laukess

>The attack began at 01:31 UTC on July 30. Within exactly 41 minutes, 1,196 high-value addresses were systematically drained of 1,082 BTC. What is this based on? Why could they not have started the attack 5 years ago? >According to preliminary exchange IP data and community tracking, the victim pool is heavily concentrated: Some talk about the bitcoin community in Asia being more likely to roll their own seed. This group would probably also be more likely to buy the CC. I don't think an odd distribution on it's own tells the whole story. I lot of factors went into who got exploited and how much they lost. Regions don't hold the same amount of bitcoin, and some regions might feel the need to protect their bitcoin better at lower purchasing power. Maybe some regions are more likely to use multi-sig because of the geographical location. Maybe you're more likely to live far away from your parents in NA, but less so in EU. >**3. Incomplete and "Surgical" Wallet Draining** I think this points to the opposite. The attacker got lucky finding the bug and did a piss poor job at executing it. If they were more skilled, they could do what you imply, but target multi-sig. They didn't. >**4. The Contact Paradox** Them having a list of emails does not imply that they have all user data saved. They could have chosen to not send emails out about the exploit and still have saved the user data. Would probably be the better move if they saved the user data, and didn't want the heat.

realdanknowsit

Thats why my wife and kids will never know how much BTC 😂

Practical_Mango7633

Mount Gox? There was no Mount Gox, it was MtGox short for Magic the Gathering Online Exchange... At least get your facts straight... Also no I do not think it is too risky for most crypto users. It is too risky for those not willing to spend 15-30 minutes learning how to use a hardware wallet. it is really not very hard... 99% of those doing self-custody and losing their coins do it because they willingly hand over their seed phrase to scammers. Scammers hate that one little trick. DO NOT SHARE YOUR SEEDPHRASE!!!! If you only live by this one simple rule. Never ever share your seed phrase ever! 99% of lost BTC from self-custody could probably have been avoided. Self-custody is one of the main reasons why I hold Bitcoin. It is that one thing that is completely out of banks and governments reach that I can easily take with me more or less unnoticeable where ever I go. However you have lots of people who use centrale exchanges and still get scammed into sending their BTC to scammers. Plus you have the whole risk with that exchange controlling your crypto. MtGox may be one of the oldest and largest but there has been so many more after it where people has lost all or most of their crypto. And not just the global exchanges, lots of major exchanges in different countries as well. Also lots of countries are still unclear on the rules and regulations for crypto. You may risk having your crypto frozen because of new regulations the exchange has to follow. There has been many examples of that as well. I think that if you got half a brain and 15-30 minutes of time, self custody is the safest for most.

TheresNoSecondBest

>1 BTC = 1 BTC. That's correct. One bitcoin is always 1/21million. Not a cult, it's called math. >But no ones using it for transactions. Wrong, mate. I do use it.

oneawesomewave

I think I still have keys to an old Amory wallet with 0.05 BTC or sth on it. Just realized I never tried to recover...lol

SkidMarkShark

People who can't understand how to secure their seed phrase should stay with the banking system. Everyone should know you don't trust any wallet maker to establish your seed phrase. Make a passphrase that's long and full of characters and are non BIP 39 words. Don't spend out of your cold storage wallet consolidate UTXO's when you have to and make another wallet. I don't think anything that involves people losing their money is funny, but people need to educate their selves when it comes to BTC. As far as a key signer (like every other wallet) it is still one of the best

fams_blaq_sheep

Oh I'm going to I just wanted to hear what people had to say about the market too Surely by December 31 I will show you full amount in wallet I will gradually make BTC deposits so see you in December But it's a dare so what does the winner get I can't go free dare

SkidMarkShark

People are gonna have more money invested in wallets than they do their BTC at this rate just because they don't understand what they are doing. Use a Passphrase for God's sake or go back to banks, nobody is going to hold your hand in this space.

Illustrious-Boss9356

This is the crazy ass shit that's driving people away from Bitcoin. Yall are a cult. 1 BTC = 1 BTC. But no ones using it for transactions. Be nice to others, otherwise, this movement will continue to bleed people.

ALPHAETHEREUM

If you bought Bitcoin just to get rich in fiat, it beats Satoshi' purpose of what Bitcoin truly is meant for. 1BTC = 1BTC no matter what the Fiat value. Anyone fail to see this, deserves to lose their coins. Aren't we supposed to fight a system? And yet people buy just to enrich themselves with the system. Well, goodbye and you deserve to lose it all

Admirable_Pay_4345

I think “is now a good time?” depends less on predicting BTC and more on the decision you're about to make. For example: how much of your portfolio would BTC be after the purchase, how long are you willing to hold, and how much of a temporary loss could you tolerate without panic selling? I've been building a small beta tool around exactly that idea — it checks the decision against your own limits instead of trying to predict the price. If you want, I can share it.

Admirable_Pay_4345

The interesting question might not be whether BTC is cheap today, but whether buying 1 BTC at once fits the risk you're actually comfortable with. For example: if you bought 1 BTC today and it dropped 30–40% over the next few months, would you still be comfortable holding it, or would you regret putting that much in at once? I've been working on a small tool that approaches the decision from that angle — testing the decision against different scenarios rather than trying to predict the Bitcoin price. If you're interested, I can share it.

DyehuthyTV

Read about how **Africans** with a **dictatorial governments** avoid 'control' and make **Bitcoin** transactions with **Machankura** (*with no or poor internet connection too*) :D An the OP charts are Fiat Currencies vs USD, not vs BTC. **Example:** Use the Tradingview chart for this, choose BTC-USD and change the currency! (the denominator: USD, EUR, ARS, TRY, etc, etc.) If you look at the charts, you will see that its not the same BTC-USD (US Dollar) chart as for example the BTC-ARS (Argentine peso) or BTC-TRY (Turkish lira) **A weaker Fiat currency (hyperinflated) has a more bullish BTC-XXX pattern** In the 'matrix' of TradingEconomics, you can sort countries by Inflation Rate (CPI YoY%) Tradingeconomics: [Heatmap - Economic Indicators By Country](https://tradingeconomics.com/matrix) 👀 Hyperinflated Fiat Currencies (with GDP data) * Venezuela (576%), BTC-VES * Iran (87,9%), BTC-IRR * Argentina (33,8%), BTC-ARS * Turkey (31,75%), BTC-TRY * Malawi (21,1%), BTC-MWK * etc, etc Therefore, with a lower (less hyperinflated) Inflation Rate the chart will be more similar to the US dollar (BTC-USD) chart. Remember that the US Dollar is the Reserve Currency of Foreign Fiat currencies. The global system of Fiat currencies are Central Banks and Governments implement the same Economic Policy. Some are worse (hyperinflated) than others implementing it, but the idea behind it is the same. :D

Admirable_Pay_4345

I think the harder question isn't whether Bitcoin goes up or down in the next 6–12 months, because nobody really knows. The useful question is: what happens to your money if BTC drops another 20%, 30% or 50% after you buy? Would you still be comfortable holding? I've been working on a small tool that approaches the decision this way — scenarios instead of price predictions. If you're interested, I can share it.

Mudhutted

As long as inflation keeps doing its thing to FIAT I’m buying BTC.

xPATCHESx

This is A huge issue with new users today looking at crypto. A lot of them think it's only value is speculative and don't even understand the original reasons WHY people chose a decentralised sovereign hard currency asset like BTC to store their value. But there are many valid ways to use crypto. So if someone just wants to speculate and hope some third party "looks after" their assets in the mean time, then that is fine as long as they understand and accept the trade-offs

Outrageous_Hall1090

Dont get it. Why did you think you had 0.75 BTC? Was that shown in the app?

CyanTurquoise

I just wonder when 1 BTC is going to be able to buy a decent house.

Nice-Roof-6722

Indeed, I was dumb at one stage too and did similar, back at the 2017 period BTC ATH I thought this is great, yeah... ok, looking back got a house and nice car and am comfortable, haven't sold everything but if I waited another 7 years and lived in a shithole and being abused and didn't live my life I'd have my own island, exotic cars and whatnot (they dont phase me BTW) but having that type of moneycompared to now I'd help all family members out instead of setting myself up for the future, I know we all look at the money, even more so for my governments new regulation on tax but remember this fellow Bitcoiners ! Bitcoin is for the future, imagine leaving your children or loved ones without debt or waiting and HODL'ing while riding the wave for the next 20+ years...

id-ltd

I am a bit purist on this Your keys == your coins It doesn't matter how you came by them, that is external, centralised nonsense that BTC was created to not care about. If you didn't keep your keys safe enough, then that is an issue for you. All the tainted coin stuff is just the state trying to get it's paws into the whole thing - BTC is our one and only chance to have a modern non-state controlled representation of value.

Both-Garden-1612

My avarage price is still 32k. My guess we will see BTC skyrocket once the AI bill arrives. This bubble gonna pop soon.

Romanizer

Exactly. USDt (or CHF/EUR if you live in Europe) for short-term liquidity needs, BTC for long-term wealth growth. That's a solid saving tactic for anyone in the world.

ice-ink

BTC went around 7x from bottom to top of this cycle “in the last few years”, you know it’s public information you can check, right?..

sylsau

**Wall Street spent years opening the door to Bitcoin.** **Now it may be building a ceiling.** MSCI’s new “non-operating company” framework could put **Strategy and Metaplanet at risk of index exclusion**—not because Bitcoin is banned, but because Bitcoin may have become *too important* to their balance sheets. That creates a brutal paradox: **The more successfully a company becomes a Bitcoin treasury, the less traditional finance may consider it a normal company.** And index exclusion matters. Passive funds don’t need to become bearish. They simply sell because the methodology changed. No ban. No regulator. No attack on Bitcoin. Just a classification rule capable of redirecting billions in capital. The corporate Bitcoin playbook may have discovered its hidden ceiling: **More BTC → greater index risk → passive selling → weaker equity → more expensive capital → less ability to buy BTC.** Bitcoin treasury companies spent years asking: “How much Bitcoin can we own?” MSCI may force them to ask a much harder question: **How much Bitcoin can we own before Wall Street stops calling us a company?**

Medium_Regard

Would be hard to not keep 1BTC after all that and the average price.

Aazimoxx

>~~Hard fork~~ *Bip110ers making their own shitcoin* coming up Let's call it what it is lol, they aren't doing anything to BTC with only a couple % of hashrate.

skyclouding101

I once had 5 BTC as well, and just like you I played the alts. Back when safemoon was a thing and nfts were new. Lmao. I have nothing now. 5btc gone. My trading account for stocks went from $9k to $140,000 back down to $3. trading options. Got hasty and sized up way too much for my comfort zone and lost it all. I'll be back someday though. With more discipline. I got up to $140,000 in a year and I can do it again. Before the fall I'd research the hell out of every company for hours on end. Wait for the charts to move in my favor. Patience played a big role. It's not over bro. Rebuild from scratch. Start over. Make mistakes, learn and grow. This time build wealth.

nassauboy9

As an old timer I remember quadrigga. Hold my keys but had reciently bought a small but 4 figure amount and poof. I have also had others go bye bye fortunately no coin there but could have. And I have also lived through accounts locked and a helping a time getting coins out. Bottom line it's not just the safety but also the risk that the flow can always be disrupted. That's not why I got BTC. I got it specifically because it's all in my control.

Forwardweston

For most stocks yeah, because you just never know, but with BTC's cycles.... shoulda waited a bit

MC_SKWAIRD

I laugh at everyone that overcomplicates it. I only hold BTC in my RH wallet. Never had an issue and RH has fantastic security. “Not your keys not your coin” is moot unless you personally design the storage device or wallet and confirm there are no traps set. Otherwise you will always be trusting in some institution or company and no material way of verifying anything

Bionic_Push

"2011: 2,000 BTC stolen from Mt. Gox → 99.9% price dump". It was not 2000, it was 850.000btc. Coldcard is a very small incident in comparison.

n00bl1ke1337

Never quit bro. BTC is the way

DiamondHandsDarrell

Gah I've been with coinbase over a decade now and sold 100 BTC on it no problems. Anyone who thinks stamping washers and thinking they did it right is not even in the same league. CB even has a vault where you move your BTC into and it's time delayed and requires additional identification to release so no one who gains access to your account can just transfer it out. Hands down it's the best I could have done. If I had a wallet on my phone I could have lost it. I'd I had a device it could have been lost or stolen. If I had washers or a paper with a seed it could have been stolen. Instead I have a vault that adds more steps and makes it secure

Dismal-Birthday6081

Is BTC doing a lot better?

shampatil

There you go mate There are .86145 BTC on this private key Remember the below seed is protected by a 19 character long passphrase which is alphanumeric and has special characters. social unusual various bachelor junk swap cruise custom pluck practice pizza hen solve crush bus apology empty august awkward measure appear asthma oblige enact

Sharpie1965

He's going to steal a LOT of BTC

casiocoin

NFT’s are far from dead, that’s the blueprint as to how we tokenize RWA’s in the short future. I think the old ones will come back when the use case is there for real RWA’s. I’m not heavy into them, just mostly BTC, ETH, some select memes, but I see the potential of individually serialized tokens on a blockchain interfacing with individually serialized assets, I.e. vehicles, real estate, Pokémon graded cards etc. all of those are individually serialized RWA’s that will eventually have a 1:1 NFT proving digital and physical ownership. Want to sell a car, house, sports card? Just receive payment over a blockchain network and transfer the digital RWA (NFT) through defi or exchange, it doesn’t matter. No more 3rd party, DMV, govt land office, probate, estate disputes, NFT’s are now sales contracts for anything, irreversible, timestamped, and can contain additional digital information.

SailingAway17

No, they wouldn't. They would have more important problems than BTC investments.

Gangaman666

Boomer Luddites losers 😂 BTC lives rent free in their dumb heads!

Final_Bite_7228

So, like the man said, "The sovereignty is unaffected therefore value is largely unaffected." That is, 1 BTC = 1 BTC, right? But watch how people moan about the prospects of getting less money for their BTC. All day, all night it's like "Oh Lord, when will it go up again?"

zerg_001

Shes going to look back in 10 years after she finishes off her next man and tell him to sell his BTC too

BITxKING

Get an air gapoed wallet from ELLIPAL Titan 2.0 or Keystone 3 Pro. Both of those support BTC. An air-gapped wallet is a type of crypto wallet that stores private keys on a device never connected to the internet or wireless networks. Generally considered more secure than standard hardware wallets, but they require more technical steps and careful physical handling.

DiamondHandsDarrell

Because people who steal BTC also use the service and people with clean BTC mix it with those then transfer to their accounts and then they get flagged and suspended

deedeereyrey

Lots of OGs have sold their BTC for so much less - pizza, drugs blah.. Lots have also had their accounts/wallets hacked. You made great returns and you'll make great memories with your family in this house. Life is not all about returns and looking at numbers on a screen. Well done.

NoBrosCrypto

You mention BTC and ETH as your buys but then mention delisted coins. This sounds like you bought quite a few alts. It also sounds like you bought during the last bull run and bought the highs. Aside from BTC and ETH, and a small minority handful in the top 10 to 20 by market cap, the rest will likely go to zero or become zombie chains. Just stick with BTC and ETH. 90-95% of crypto portfolio and use the remainder for your gambles - because that’s what they are. If they delisted it means volume wasn’t there to justify keeping it listed. That means it’s pretty much dead.

nochkin

Not sure OP knows/wants how to handle it properly, otherwise a simple loan using BTC as a collateral would work too. So if you don't know how to handle it well, it's easier just to sell it clean.

Garland_Key

I don't own a Trezor, so I'm not worried. If you're on that list, you aren't mad enough. This is Bitcoin 101. Don't go around talking about how much BTC you hodl because it can make you a target. Tech savvy people with sense are generally safe from scams and hacks because most of them are broad attacks looking for stupid people. However, when you are directly targeted, you WILL get owned. A list like this means your chances of getting targeted went from near zero to near 100%.

BillyBeeGone

That's nothing for BTC. Remember those 90%+ crashes?

Project_Demosthenes_

You know BTC has done this for the last 17 years right? It’s about long time horizons, not short term price volatility.

pure_skill_

the biggest problem is after 17 years still no widespread adoption, original plan failed and then BTC was rebranded as "digital gold" yeah not looking good

thatguykeith

I think my mom would sell all her BTC to get me married off so you’re probably fine. 

SolHarvester

\*hacker adds 0.02 BTC to the poor wallet\*

JumpProfessional3372

Is Saylor still holding lot of BTC or sold the majority he had? (I haven't been tracking all the news).

BigBrownAge

Should have kept the BTC and got a loan… in a year you’ll probably be able to buy that house for 1 BTC

Digital-Exploration

BTC and ETH literally are the only real options. 

snek-jazz

> big money in the BTC bank scene/ETF have no idea what a ColdCard is No punctuation needed, the sentence was clear.

JohnnycompUtah

I genuinely don't even understand hating Bitcoin so much to frequent a subreddit about it. It's an asset that that no one is forcing you to buy. I remember when BTC crashed after the FTX collapse, all of my most big-brained friends were laughing about how it was going to zero. True geniuses.

skyclouding101

After the repeated warnings to HTX, they should've done what was to cease outgoing transactions to a different wallet. They should be locking the funds. Contact the security organizations and ledger on how to safely return the BTC to its rightful owner.

FunWithSkooma

just sand to liquid network, create a wallet using SideSwap L-BTC to BTC do not depends on market maker, Blockstream has their own liquidity

Any_Way_5245

Saylor is really good at PR control and big money in the BTC bank scene/ETF have no idea what a ColdCard is lol

ubermensch1001

Anything under 70k I'm a heavy buyer, but I kept this cash I have in reserve for later this fall if the 4 year cycle plays out and we have another slightly lower low. If this doesn't happen, I have no issue buying around these prices, but it would be awesome to buy at the mid 50k range and below. Your thoughts pertaining to Solana are something I've kept on the back of my mind. I'm aware of the shutdowns with that chain, and as the other poster on here mentioned that is a bit of a red flag. What attracted to me to it is that it mirrors ETH very closely but has slightly more potential to the upside while offering pretty generous staking yields. I'm just not really that excited about ETH and when it comes to buying that or BTC I am way more interested in buying the BTC. I had a solid stack going into 2021 that I held onto for a while but I ended up converting that over to BTC way back in early 2024. I spent months thinking about it, but with it trading close to .06 to BTC and with the possibility of it crashing hard it was a no brainer. Fast forward to spring of 2025, just over a year later, it was trading at under .02 to BTC at under $1400. I ended up making a lump sum purchase there that I'm still holding, but at current valuation I'm just not that interested. I really am leaning towards throwing these funds I have 100% into BTC. This was my strategy way back in 2022 when I was buying at 20k and under at around the 200 week moving average, which are right at now. My biggest mistake with 2018-2020 was being too heavily invested into alts, I got away with it at the time though because everything was so cheap AND we had that very impressive 2021 alt season. We basically had no alt season in 2024-2025, but there's a part of me that thinks because everyone has given up on them we actually see this play out in 2027 or 2028, as big money has been scooping them up while retail panic sells. This is a big reason why I want to just hold what I currently have instead of flipping stuff around. I'm way ahead of the curve and honestly kind of forget about this at times. The reality is that I have more than enough and won't miss a damn thing.

Real-Oil-3711

BTC and hmstr they are good together and hmstr is a bit more stable

UrbanGrower187

I donno I still generate fiat all the time and dump into BTC so I constantly am buying DYOR

ContributionGrand138

That takes Guts. I would have paper handed when it was over 115K if I had 10BTC at 5700 avg LOL.

MakCapital

The only "true" crypto when priced in BTC, SOL, HYPE zoomed out. Not good. https://imgur.com/a/S8WmawG Not considering if you were staking SOL between 7.5%-10%+ you'd have over an additional 70% of free SOL from compounding revenue and issuance. Nothing wrong with XMR, but majority can't easily enter/exit until smart contracts or Thorchain adds (Watch for this. Getting close. Possible opportunity). Existing solutions are high friction and high risk. Why it has even struggled against its own competing privacy chains. *Honest human takes from someone here from the start of the industry. X link in profile.*

TheresNoSecondBest

>The Genesis Block — Block #0, mined on January 3, 2009. The Genesis block wasn't mined, it was created. That's the reason why Satoshi made the **50 BTC reward of that block non spendable**. The block could be created only by himself and it would be unfair to the rest of the, at that time nonexistent, network. Vitalik for example, created 72,009,995 ETH in the Genesis block of his shitcoin. **All spendable**. Do you see the difference between a genius and a scammer?

tequilawhiteclaws

I'm with ya. Was a cardano maxi, sorta still bullish but theyve got a massive branding problem even if the tech is good. It's probably a 3rd world governance + rwa platform eventually. BTC is all brand. 99% of use cases will be ETH + LINK + Google/Apple running private wallets on your phone

anand5995

Pledge the house and buy back BTC again

skf42005

You truly don’t understand the BTC story. Yes the first phase has been retail adoption and this has 2 main sources. The first are the speculators who just hopped on board as momentum built up. These buyers are basically out of the market at this point and many will pounce back in as it marches on to its all-time high. Then you have the true believers (the HODL’ers). They’re mostly still in and they see the true long term picture of BTC which is and will be as a store of value. As new regulations come in with the Clarity Act and institutions further adopt BTC in their asset allocation models that’s when BTC will sky rocket. If the bozo’s in DC could get their acts together and pass the Clarity act that will be the impetus for the crypto market to get back on track. The rails have been set by the institutions and in time they will be exploiting what they built.

Skomakartjern

What you fail to see is, the answer is just as lame as the question: ”BTC hitting bottom soon? Do I have this correct?” Both are saying ”look elsewhere for knowledge.”

Own_Grab

The next Bitcoin adoption signal might be jobs, not price I work in talent/recruiting around the digital asset industry, and there's one Bitcoin indicator I think gets less attention than it deserves: who companies are hiring before the next stage of adoption becomes obvious. Price gets everyone's attention. But companies often have to make hiring decisions months before the products, infrastructure or expansion they're building becomes visible to the public. The interesting question for the next phase of Bitcoin adoption isn't simply whether BTC reaches another price milestone. It's whether we start seeing sustained demand for people working on: \* Bitcoin infrastructure and custody \* Lightning and payments \* Wallet/security engineering \* Mining infrastructure and energy \* Institutional Bitcoin products \* Compliance and risk for Bitcoin related businesses \* Open source Bitcoin development My prediction: the strongest signal of the next institutional Bitcoin expansion may show up in engineering and infrastructure hiring before it shows up in headlines. Hiring is expensive. A company can publish a bullish press release fairly easily. Building an engineering team, allocating headcount and committing millions of dollars to infrastructure is a much harder signal to fake. I'm curious what people here think. If you could track only one non-price indicator for Bitcoin adoption over the next 2–3 years, what would it be? Hashrate? Lightning activity? Corporate treasury adoption? Institutional custody? Developer activity? Something else? Interested in hearing what Bitcoiners are actually watching.

shakapoopooky

If you bought the house free and clear, DCA back into BTC every month like you’re paying your mortgage.

Hamachiman

And even if Octoberish is the bottom, BTC may be at $40k then and take years to get back to ATH. If anyone knew the future for sure they would be here prognosticating.