BTC

SwimOld5053

There are diminishing returns every cycle. BTC actually did perform well in aligment with previous diminishing returns. Anyway, we'll see what happens.

andys811

Brother you have 187, you could sell 27, have 2.5m and still be chilling with 150 BTC and 600k USDT... Do whatever just stay in everything not all in one thing

alt-co

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xbriannova

You make it sound like it's going up in a straight line. Way I see it, even if BTC recovers, it won't be worth it even if it goes up to 150k. Risk VS Reward. But I think we're entering crypto winter from here, and BTC will fall to around 60k, which is a buy. I've spent time in the market. I was invested since 2021. I agree to a certain extent then that time in the market beats timing the market. But I think having both beats just having time in the market.

turdoman

Was it like USA is not gonna build huge btc reserve or what? I'm not gonna fact-check my first thought, which is there in the line above, since I wanted to give you my unedited take on it. If I were to fact-check, I might come up to a different conclusion. But I do remember reading up "somewhere" that the USA BTC thing isn't proceeding as such and the markets have thus valued the BTC as lower. Also, I know from better sources and from more sources the liquidity crises, conditions trigger to force institutions to sell.

LegendaryJohnny

If BTC will follow previous patterns, it could go to lower 40k or high 30k. But considering institutional money in it, it might not to go that low. IF Saylor decides to sell his stack due to liquidation feers - oh boy, that woulsld be great show to see.

LegendaryJohnny

Yeah the 100 btc guy have it on cold wallet and is not doing anything like trading. But he cashes out here and there just to pay for his life expenses, but he doesnt need to work anymore. He is not buying crazy shining things tho and didnt buy 1+ million house. The other however is actively trading AND working hard on one thing related to crypto which brings him another crazy amount of money, so he technically doesn't need to sell his BTC to high standard life expenses. But he is buying shiny things and cashes out to afford them outright (even tho he could probably get them if he was saving from his 'job' for a while). But yeah, 100k is definitely mental barrier for OGs for 'this is enough for me, no need to wait for 1m for another 10 years'.

Drizznarte

You are confused , your statment is self contradictory. Trading is adoption , trading is people utilising it. You are saying adoption is just people buying stuff with BTC this is wrong , just because people don't buy coffee with it , doesn't mean it's not money. Money has many uses , medium of exchange, store of value , unit if account.

CeeDy6

At least BTC is like 500% up from the lows 🤷‍♂️

MerkleChainsaw

It depends. BTC under 50K by when?

Moceannl

Was there an IRC client/command code in BTC then?

PaulblankPF

If you sell it all now you have roughly 17 million. The SP500 gives on average an annual interest rate of 15% so roughly 2.5 million. If you think you can live comfortably off of 2.5 million a year or less then sell it all and invest it and live off the interest. You can even reinvest what you don’t spend. Right now let’s say you live comfortably off of your 12k a month that’s 144k a year. You can triple that and still reinvest 2 million annually. After 20 years you’d have 500 million. It’s highly unlikely that BTC continues to see growth of 15% for the next 20 years given that the amount it has grown annually slows down slowly but surely and is a speculative asset. You can retire tomorrow and travel the world and have generational wealth easily by selling.

MWeHLgp1t4Q

If you bought 1btc at 124K, that's mean you have them most expensive and precious BTC, great job.

Fresh_Network463

**Maybe — but only in very specific cases.** * BTC price is high, which helps revenue, but network difficulty has also gone up. [Cointelegraph+2MEXC+2](https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-mining-2025-post-halving-profitability-hashrate-and-energy-trends?utm_source=chatgpt.com) * Electricity is *by far* the biggest cost. If your power rate is high, profits will shrink fast. [thetechgenie.in+1](https://thetechgenie.in/crypto-mining-profitable-2025/?utm_source=chatgpt.com) * To really make it work, you need **efficient, next-gen hardware** (ASICs) + cheap power. [xonmining.com+1](https://xonmining.com/is-bitcoin-mining-still-profitable-in-2025/?utm_source=chatgpt.com) * There’s still a sweet spot: some miners break even + make a good margin if their power is super cheap or renewable Not a sure-win for everyone anymore — you're only likely to make good profit if you've got *very good efficiency or very low energy costs.*

competent-technician

Yes this is only a win if you end up with more BTC

NotCoolFool

So at $100k BTC you were sat on $18.7 million ? What on earth are you doing working when you could be doing literally anything else that’s more fun? At $120k you were sat on $22 million?? I mean - how much money do you (or anyone for that matter) need? I’d say that if having that much money hasn’t allowed you the freedom to do anything you wished, completely happy and fulfilled I doubt any other amount will. Congrats by the way though 👏🏼👏🏼

SwimOld5053

Agree. Crypto is not (again) going to die. But it will have a massive reset, even BTC.

ScandicVoyager

I want more BTC but with what money?

NotCoolFool

What’s your average BTC price?

Complex-Photo-973

You’re looking at MSTR like it’s a normal operating company, but it’s basically a high-conviction BTC leverage vehicle. The “income/moat/secret sauce” isn’t the traditional business — it’s the fact that MSTR gives shareholders senior access to Bitcoin through a publicly traded, regulated company, with long-dated low-interest debt and zero liquidation risk (unlike leveraged crypto products). Equity raises aren’t a surprise — it’s the entire strategy. They issue shares when demand is high and convert that into more BTC. Historically, their BTC per share has still grown because the BTC they buy outpaces the dilution during bull cycles. If someone doesn’t want a leveraged BTC play, MSTR isn’t for them. But for people who do, MSTR has outperformed spot Bitcoin over multi-year periods, which is exactly why investors hold it. So it’s less about “understanding the business” and more about understanding the thesis: MSTR = long-term, conviction-based, non-liquidating leveraged Bitcoin exposure.

Otherwise-Line-9223

Honestly, I thought DOGE and XRP would tank with BTC, but they’re holding up better than expected. I only buy alts, and since the two strongest ones aren’t really down, I’m not buying right now.

Anxious-Jaguar-3821

Microstrategy can't keep getting free money to buy mure BTC so BTC has to fall. No one supporting it

Anxious-Jaguar-3821

No people don't buy because at least 59 percent is borrowed money to buy the BTC.

Anxious-Jaguar-3821

Asia will dump out BTC

TheFlyingHambone

What does PEPE do, though? ICP has caffeine.ai. Cardano has midnight, and the new sec rules for staking ETPs look like Cardano is one of the few that fit it perfectly. BTC is huge, and blackrock is all over it. Wtf is PEPE? Lol

dante695

Based on the current structure, I could see ETH revisiting the $2,560 level within a week if the downtrend continues. BTC could also retest the \~$83,000 area under similar market conditions.

jhericurls

That is gigantic sell order (2303 BTC) placed at 91700

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noviwu97

Stables market cap doesn't increase when someone is selling BTC to USDT. It only increases when they mint new supply and that's always done in bulk once in a while. Sounds like you're the one trying to spin the real metric to whatever copium you have

J4jem

They are all liquidating to buy equities in the looming AI bubble collapse. Most people see better ROI in equities post crash, so they are dumping BTC while it's high. It's still one of the downsides to BTC that you need to convert to $USD just to buy almost any other investment asset.

Archophob

if it were "perfect on track", we would have had a 300k bubble by now, followed by a crash all the way down to 100k. Also, the bitcoin bubble would have been all over the media. Instead, the wars in Ukraine and Israel are. Instead, we have a all-year-long sidewards walk because a lot of early investors have deemed 100k the "Lambo now" signal. Imagine someone having bought in 2013 and now being able to buy his dream Lambo for just 4 BTC.

greuve

Impossible! BTC will never fall below its intrinsic value!

Oblodo

If you did, maybe the words “ I bought my first BTC” could be misinterpreted. So sorry if you actually did buy BTC coins..

wh977oqej9

Me to, I'm ready to pull out some more k€ from bank account, to buy additional BTC.

Mothy187

Agreed. This is what happens when you invite the devil to dinner. Wallstreet becomes the KOLS and old crypto KOLS become the exit liquidity. Wallstreet turned BTC into their own personal shit coin to pump and dump. Get ready for a long winter. I do however think it will blast off again after a multi-year bear market say around 2030 or so

asksstupidstuff

BTC has issues once this Graph crosses itself, so right now its buy time. And it will be for a few months. Geht your Christmas Money ready.

Rare_Rich6713

You’re right that BTC would ultimately need a new signature scheme + broad migration to be fully quantum-safe there’s no shortcut around that. What I meant with QAN was more about the interoperability angle, not QAN makes Bitcoin quantum resistant on its own. QAN’s focus is on post quantum cryptography and providing quantum resistant rails for cross chain communication. If Bitcoin ever wants to transition to PQC, the ecosystem will need quantum safe bridges, key infrastructure, and tooling to support that transition, because the migration itself can’t happen in isolation. That’s where something like XLINK could come in not as a magic fix, but as part of the supporting layer that enables a safe upgrade path. So yeah, Bitcoin still needs a native PQC signature upgrade + a coordinated migration, but quantum resistant infrastructure around it can help make that transition practical rather than theoretical.

Oblodo

You bought ONE BTC in 2011… you are lying… say 10++ and I would believe you.. but ONE?? No one bought only one. The price in 2011 was like $1 to max $13 if I remembered correctly.. so bs post

DryMyBottom

it really depends on when you entered the market. I took some profit in June when BTC was around $110k and I’ll probably re-invest them in BTC in the coming days. This would mean increasing the amount of satoshis, and that’s what you can do during bear market, BUT it doesn’t work with all cryptos out there, and it requires having a long term strategy and belief in what you are investing in

CassiusCreed

And it hasn't moved the needle so how much BTC is being used to manipulate the crypto markets?

Throwawaystartover

Can someone explain how this is good for BTC? I’m genuinely curious what the argument is. They control the price now, one hint of selling and it’s to the dumps

ImSoHungryRightMao

I hope you're right but I also put in a buy order for BTC at 70k, just in case.

Zwiebel1

I follow the cycle theory. It has never let me down. And according to that, every cycle is less severe than the last as BTC has matured so much that its used as the de facto currency by dictators to finance their war machines.

Low-Address-5341

All Eyes On BTC 🤲

ilikeplayingthisgame

if BTC goes to 40k you best believe everything else is fucked, that's what those people dont get

cascading_disruption

Every no coiner out there is using this logic in times like these: Hahaha, I told you that BTC is a scam at 3k and now that this thing dropped below 100k I'm so happy I didn't buy at 3k. Bitcoin obituary part 999.

colonisedlifeworld

I would understand if you really need the money. But if you don’t and you genuinely believe in BTC then why be scared?

Significant_Mousse53

100K people owning 1000 BTC each? lol

stoneman9284

> the having impact on pride has always been way overstated I disagree. It used to be much more of a factor, that’s why the cycles were so regular. Now with more attention, institutional buying, presidents tweeting, etc there are more and more forces on BTC than in the past.

Tichy

It's when 1 BTC hits 1 BTC.

DardMiner1982

Personally I accumulate. I believe in BTC and these downs don't affect me much anymore but it's curious to see how everyone reacts differently.

ra246

You're right; I sold (50% of my BTC) at $105k. Come back to me in a few years time when buy that same 50% back at a 40% discount, if not more.

Significant_Mousse53

You're only in the red if you compare it to a fiat currency. You probably are flat even - have the exact same amount of BTC you had a week ago, so everything is fine (actually, you should have more than a week ago).

Senor-Cockblock

Asking to learn here - do you think the BTC market/playing field is drastically different now? Major players, institutions, governments are heavy participants. Surely they make a difference when compared to previous downturns/massive corrections?

BaldDragonSlayer

If you hear someone say "3y bear cyclus" in regards to BTC, you don't need to respect their dumb opinion. They are clearly a tourist.

Nagemasu

Sounds like BTC is doing exactly what it's meant to then. BTC wasn't made so you can get rich, it was made to (in overly simplified terms) at least match inflation. It's working not only in the period you've offered, but from it's inception to now as well. But y'all love to cherry pick data and then scream about how it doesn't do what it was never intended to do.

PancakeConnoisseur

How much profit have you made in BTC?

BraskSpain

Insane discount price for BTC, so good!

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tldr; Bitcoin whale wallets have increased as the cryptocurrency's price struggles, dropping to $89,550 recently. Data from Glassnode shows whales accumulating since late October, with wallets holding over 1,000 BTC rising 2.2% since Oct. 27. Meanwhile, smaller investors with 1 BTC or less have been selling amid market fear, as the Crypto Fear & Greed Index hits 'extreme fear.' Experts suggest this could be a buying opportunity, with some predicting a price bottom and potential rebound soon. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

Toyomansi_Chilli

BTC bottom near? It feels like the bloodbath is only starting.

Forsaken_Spare_3713

I was sold on BTC is the future we're all in this together screw Fiat and just as we hit a high whales sell out 😐 I'm supposed to feel good about that?

blaggerbly

ETH is a shit coin BTC has an entirely new user base we don’t have enough data to predict what will happen.

8thSt

That’s crazy, because I also claim to have the highest self proclaimed IQ. But …. I’ll gladly relinquish my claim for 1 BTC.

Bitter_Yard7854

Interesting perspective! BTC holding close to its inflation-adjusted ATH shows its resilience, while ETH seems to have more room to recover. Makes me wonder how much market sentiment vs fundamentals is affecting these moves.

Kind_Boot4750

If previous cycles are anything to go by, BTC will go down to 40 -50K . Great time to go all in .

Hot_Armadillo9592

I get it, but you say this with it being 100k... When it's actually 50k you will likely be waiting for it to go even lower or worried that it will actually go lower because going below 70k breaks so many patterns that are positive for BTC. The fear index can stay extremely low while the price continues to plummet. It's great to imagine buying at 50k when it's still 100k that's 100% profit in your brain. But when it's actually 50k there won't be any 100% profit like that. It'll just be more waiting for price changes and reacting to them.

Rawflsauce69

Why would I be jealous of someone who traded all their BTC for fiat? BTC is the end game. These type of posts are sad so I shared my opinion about it being distasteful which it is. I sold "so i was right" about what exactly? I hurt your feelings? Cute of you to think i'm jealous. QQ.

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SimpleMoonFarmer

I'm setting limit orders at $75K and $2K, I'll be using my bags as collateral at $50K and $1.5K, staying out of everything other than BTC and ETH. Let's see how this plays out!

Nobestradamus

Yep you’re right! people never get that. Market cap is a valuation metric, not a measurement of: • cash invested, • cash flowing in, • or how much it would take to buy all BTC.

1Tiasteffen

Rip BTC…

Pure-Beginning2105

Monero makes more sense if you want the government out your business. Which was the original premise of BTC.

Happy-For-No-Reason

yeah, my charts are showing some Alt Season vibes. BTC red all the alts on my chart are green

AyumiHikaru

The lower the easier to achieve 1 BTC goal

VariatCA

They need to re-classify BTC.D to not include stablecoins at this point, considering how much of the marketcap stablecoins encompass. Something like 10% of all crypto at this point is made up of Stables that are pegged to an unchanging currency. Even if BTC and all non-stablecoin alts both fall, BTC.D will go down simply because the stables are pegged and don't change.

Rawflsauce69

Yeah many are all in are crypto and not many can time it unfortunately. Even my friends that are in have enough for this months bills until next paycheck. Lotta Americans live this way. Some dark thoughts definitely come to mind but I just keep telling myself this too shall pass. Gotta remember we are stuck on a hamster wheel either way. I'll take the BTC Volatility short term pain.

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inShambles3749

Well except XMR and BTC and ETH

volsmitdo

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panthera_N

fartcoin is currently outperforming BTC 😭

TotesGnar

I though 1 BTC=1 BTC? What happened to that?

Objective-Cry-9837

this aged like milk, down 25k since september. BTC has been dropping for weeks, could literally go down for several more months. ur just gambling your life savings at this point

ilikeplayingthisgame

anyone think the republicans will push for the strategic reserve to buy BTC for mid term boosts?

ComplexWilling5349

Exactly Bitcoin is the most valuable asset in human history. We are literally so early most people do not really understand how much potential for growth in this asset class is. I'm 25% of of my portfolio in BTC self custody. I don't lose a wink of sleep I was lucky back in 2020 buying at 20K USD and nibbled at it over the past fiver years. Overall I'm way up this has been the best investment of my life and I just DCA in every month I don't care if it's 500K or 0.00001c

okworm

BTC will climb back to $105K+ within a few days after you sell.

VariatCA

Something like that, yeah. The takeaway though is still that their BTC is fully owned, and not just some leverage-position that will get wiped out by price fluctuation. Though of course a faltering BTC price (and in relation, a faltering share price) affects their fundraising ability. Though dividend obligations also shrink alongside share price in a nasty bit of irony, making it easier to stay afloat. They always reserve the right to suspend BTC purchases for a while, and also suspend dividend payments if the alternative would be having to sell BTC to cover as a last resort. Not that I'd ever buy shares in their company anyways lol, but it's nice to know their structure.

VariatCA

Yeah there's a plethora of comparisons between their price action that can be made, I'm not hating on Eth either way. I get what you're going for though. They've been putting up one hell of a fight to support their 3k floor even while BTC has continued punching down into new local-lows.

noviwu97

BTC.D was an old metric created when stablecoin was a tiny part of the whole crypto. Take a look at BTC.D without stablecoin chart and it's been pumping

PirateSKB

Tbh I hate how people see Saylor as a god. He's just a guy who rekt his company during the dot com bubble, and saw an opportunity in crypto, got lucky after leveraging his company to all holy heck, and now preaches about his bags I think BTC is fine and Saylor shouldn't be the face of Bitcoin, nor crypto honestly

Kurosaki56843

It's just a dip, stop panicking about short-term fluctuations... BTC's gonna shoot to a new ATH in no time, that's when most will start regretting "not buying the dip"... Stack more sats while it's still on a discount!

Professional-Chef311

Crazy I, for one, withdrew all my money from BTC🥹

PirateSKB

Seriously, not all alts are crashing into the planet like a meteor. Some alts are actually doing good, and some are still sitting near all-time highs I think most people are just heavily invested in BTC and Eth as their sole investors

hagenjustyn

I’ve been telling people. The big correction is coming. Fire sale. BTC at 50k.

iknowtech

Yeah it doesn’t make much sense, if BTC gets overly consolidated to just a small number major holders like this, at what point does the majority just deem it worthless and not worth trying to acquire anymore.

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No_Complaint_1384

Haha, no milk splash, but I bet there's some wild volatility! Just like BTC, things can get messy real quick.

Future-Bet4783

BTC dominance is already lower than Oct 6 top but alt coin prices are infinitely lower

Bert-Reynolds

I love the femboy influence we have on BTC. I don't think that we can continue too much a downturn without NVDIA good check in, let's see how we feel Friday? BTC

D00mGuy21

Facts is, while BTC is dumping, some alts are recording consistent gains, which doesn’t align with a bear market. I think we’ll be heading to new highs in a few weeks/months, if the narrative (market data, politics) doesn’t interfere.