BTC

Due-Candy-8929

Depends what kind of returns they want to see… wouldn’t be surprised to see alts like ETH XRP etc massively out perform BTC… and then smaller caps massively outperform them… $10k in an XRP that goes from $1.30 to $5 is better than $10k in BTC that goes from $81k to $250k. $10k in $0.08 HBAR that goes to $1 is better again Putting the full $25k in a HYSA and collecting 5% a year is safe but not necessarily better Even the SnP isn’t guaranteed - it might do 8-12% on average but there’s always a chance it will trend downward for years as well It seems dangerous buying metals after they have run hard as well Personally I much prefer to diversify

Key-Enthusiasm-3403

the thing id want to see is how past forecasts did. if it says 80% between $71k and $96k, did BTC land inside that range about 8 times out of 10 over the last few months? thats a quick calibration check and it would tell you if the confidence score means anything same itch as a game i made (mine, disclosing, its on my profile) where you call real charts with pretend money and it scores you against chance. dont know how that translates to market odds though

tenor_tymir

How did they get ahold of your BTC? Did you enter your key on a website? *Did you really?*

macetheface

HBAR had a few pumps coinciding with the bull run same as ADA but other than that it's a stablecoin. Many other coins the same way. Now look at the lows. There might be outliers but BTC is one of the only ones to consistantly trend up over time. OP is looking to 'invest'. BTC makes the most sense imo.

BourbonWen

Bright side....you're 2 years ahead of anyone with 0.0 BTC. The glass is half full.

Leynnox

Idk, I open my portfolio only when I'm transferring more BTC in it, then I close it

12buklmashu

You should be investing in BTC regardless of whether a state or province is trying to secede. It’s the only crypto worth investing in.

fittes7

1. "Wasting my time" - well, what time? I'm pretty sure you don't have anything better to do so don't accuse BTC of wasting your unvaluable time. 2. DCA is for uneducated fools, if you are too lazy to educate your self and choosing a dumb way to invest then you can't cry when you're not getting compensated 3. BTC MEANT to be hedge for inflation, but in its current state of market cap IT CANNOT be hedge against inflation, and that'd be lesson #1 if you chose to educate yourself rather than listen to what "they" tell you to do.

Ok_Menu_1675

I mean, the cycle is pretty much on point except that it’s end seems to have happened a deviation of a month. I think that if a cycle takes 4 yrs, a month deviation is allowed. My personal view is that if we don’t go into some kind of ‘00 or ‘08 crash, then BTC is on its way to complete the cycle again. Another drop may be coming, though - this time coupled to a broader market crash. However, I think BTC will not make a new lower low. Maybe 60s? Who knows, it’s just me guessing. And to be fair to B. Cowen - although he messed it up a bit, he has always been saying to DCA in the second part of the midterm year. I didn’t listen so I am following my own plan now.

Doctor_Fritz

Before that pump in BTC, Trump posted on his truth social shit that it was time to buy all the crypto. Shortly after there was an announcement of bond buybacks which pushed crypto up as well. It was the culmination of a ton of fomo after the trump post and a short squeeze all rolled into one. The price movement here is not systemic. The push up triggered more fomo from ETF buyers, puching the price a little higher. But then look at the current climate. Interest rates and inflation are soaring, making highly volatile tech holdings less interesting in favor of bonds. Yet, still crypto soared like this? It doesn't make sense. The S&P500 reached ATH at the behest of a handful of megacaps all tied to a circular self financing scheme leaning on AI infrastructure buildouts. The rest of the stocks on the US market are down 20% or so on average. Pumptober created an uptick for a bit but it seems to me that whales are now looking to unload their pumped up crypto onto unsuspecting bag holders after a few months of (relatively) sideways movement. I think it'll dump after the elections beginning November. this is my own opinion, not financial advice.

Savings-Leading4618

They will pour into bitcoin after bitcoin has done a 3-4x in 3 years. That will mark the top, that will be when all the big whales that are buying now will sell for a profit, and will mark the beggining of a very nasty bear market, just like the one we just had. For now, enjoy the next 3 years, they'll be good for BTC.

Due-Candy-8929

BTC didn’t even do a 2x from its high last cycle…. Alts fell but saw higher % gains… HBAR is down now but did over 800% last cycle

retracement

I'll be frank. I dont think BTC is for you. It's not a get rich scheme, and the only thing that is truly predictable is it's unpredictability. If you are not prepared to hold for up to 10 years with the view that you might still lose everything, then I think you should "invest" in a fund. That will generally give you the predictable growth you are seeking. BTC represents my high risk asset. Some times I start doubting and other times I am 1000% certain, but I always know I'm holding every coin regardless until I hit my target price. When that happens Ill still keep holding a % for the future.

Sudden_Onions

Why would Russia be more open to BTC? It seems to me that they're the textbook case of a country with a relatively wealthy middle class who might want to escape the country with as much wealth as possible. From a government POV they seem the most likely not to want private citizens using anything but roubles.

Sweet_Scratch7059

5K into BTC and 20K into spx6900. Barbel IYKYK

Satoshi-Wasabi8520

Wait until 15 years. What was the price of BTC in 2012?

sjnyo

BTC is a speculative risk asset and in no way a hedge against inflation or currency debasement

NorthComparison4356

at Russia they banned transactions to self custody wallets - which is just strangling BTC - as its all about sovereignty - its so stupid - I was full of hope that in Russia they would be more open to BTC, but no way - and I guess EU will do the same one day - one country after the other - the parasites running our states cant stand that we plebs do with our earned money what we want, they use our money to control us. I know they cant control btc, but they can strangle all ways to aquire it and hold it in self custody…..

Double-Code1902

And you adjust every Sunday and just basically buy on the dips? And it is 1x 2x 3x in terms of sizing? I am trying to figure out the approach as well. I was thinking of using some trailing period average volatility range and adjust each week. But it sounds like BTC basically has some consistency such that buying only on dips within the week catches the upsides? The one thing I heard was that we don’t want to miss the top 10 days. This captures those?

Shoddy_Peanut7320

It's usually both, and you can tell which part dominates by timing. The inflation print is the trigger, but a big move down on the release that gets bought back within hours looks like positions being forced out, because the data didn't change and only the leverage did. Liquidation numbers and funding rates before the move tell you how crowded the longs were, and a quick check is whether funding was unusually high going into the print. For altcoins, I'd wait until BTC has stopped moving for a day or two before deciding anything, because correlations jump during a flush and almost everything looks weak for the same reason. Cymetica's Funding Rate Radar shows perp funding across venues side by side, which is one way to see how crowded things were.

AmoebaFar8564

No, i dont think so. You have BTC bought @120k and now its only 80k, its clear to think wasted your time. But Go on with IT, you wont regret, after the next halving the Price If BTC will increased heavily cause the Block rewards are so tiny that many think Mining is use-less. Now you have the Chance to buy @80k, dont sell IT with loss! Wait the next halving, its 2028 i think..after that you will earn your hard Work i promise!

IdleHandsRapidFlight

Wake up and smell the roses OP. People clamour about the old days when there were 10,000 transactions and a million wallets. Now there's 200 million wallets and a billion transactions a year, and as people die or forget passwords we lose access to BTC over time, and now institutions make the moves. Not people.  you LOST money to inflation and lack of dividends. Big time. 

AmoebaFar8564

The Idea after the lehman-incident and the following economic downturn Worldwide was to create a payment method Not controlled from anybody, BTC was Made decentralized and this was the Main Idea that No big Bank or rich people can Control the financial system. What we did is BTC becoming centralized by big Tech firms, but BTC was the First try, the halving and growing difficulty was Not successful to stay decentralized and this is the Error, cause heavy difficulty=heavy Hardware and Power comsumption, this was Not Taken into account the consequences this will have! > But thats only my Personal Opionion, please DONT feel forced to Support it!

bigblackdikk

Since institutional money came in, BTC volatility has come down significantly and so have its gains. The US economy is debt driven and nobody wants to buy US debt now. Wealth is transitioning to tangible assets and fringe tangible assets called collectibles. Think art, vintage items like clothes, cars and collectible cards. I think you’ll make more returns collecting cards and art. I have. And crypto money is “magic money” which only becomes valuable when converting to real world stuff like tangible assets or holidays.

AmoebaFar8564

Yeah But without electricity after an atomic world war, you have nothing! By the way: when an atomic bombs explodes its spreading Out Not only Gamma Rays and fall-out, they destroy with a heavy EMP all electronics Like Chips, your BTC are digital how would you use it (in a baggy sag with lead protection?!) when we use atomic bombs on infrastructure, its gone with 21th century, we live in the stone age! But think positive: If the fall-out DONT hit you hard you can use guns, cause guns are Just mechanical and when they are Not melted we can kill the enemy with guns😜😅

WillDonJay

Here's an informative recent source regarding your question. (Please take the time to actually watch it.) Source: YouTube https://youtu.be/-r8aNg-uH3g Debt and interest rates are set to spike, which will make borrowing money more expensive, which will chill the economy. That usually chills the price of BTC. Yet the white house is talking about using inflation as a tool to deal with their deficit. The less a USD is worth, the lighter the trillions in debt the US has to service becomes. That looks to me like the textbook use case for BTC, a hedge against inflation and the devaluing of fiat. Sooo... I'm expecting volatility with a price crash. If it does, I'll gamble and stack while it's down, then wait a couple years. 

xDarkstar1

Maybe indicate having a smaller allocation in BTC? even 2-5% could work wonders and isnt enough to lose sleep over. Also their will be several pivotal moments in history where you could safely tell your parents about a safer buying opportunity. Obviously I could be wrong and the price rips from here on out but youll have pleanty of opportunities to find better entries over the years anyway.

KamikazKid

I use a flat percentage from whatever the price is at that moment. I use the 200 day as a bear market marker, that's when I start doubling my weekly DCA amount. 50% of bitcoin's price action happens on just 20% of days each year, and I found that the average bitcoin move was 4.68% so I rounded up to 5% for my first limit order to catch those weeks where it moves down normally. Now I really wanted to catch those 20% days so I averaged them and found that on average they were weekly candles that moved down 11.37% so I rounded down to a nice 10% down for my second limit order too catch those major dips, and last I wanted to capture the top 10% of price moves which I found that the average move was 16.34% with a major outlier down move of 23.78% So again I rounded down to 15% for my final limit order so it captures everything except for that one outlier week and even that one week it caught a huge chunk of that. I also do this with SPY and other assets, but with SPY the numbers are different because SPY is much less volatile, which I will probably need to adjust these numbers for Bitcoin in the future because Bitcoin is becoming less volatile over time, and also when calculating these averages it's why I excluded data from before 2022. Bitcoin has been operating differently since 2022, and I believe that BTC ETFs have impacted volatility and the volatility will probably continue to decrease as the asset matures.

Rugby_Viking

If they don't understand BTC then its not for them.

Otherwise_Ad_9165

It's about a 3-4% difference in cagr in favor of BTC compared to doing the same dca with spy/voo. Yea, it's better but I'd expect a bigger margin. Maybe things change these next 4 years though.

Ok_Improvement8487

This is the only way that BTC will ever increase in value, if we use it in our daily life.

Ok_Improvement8487

NO. If everyone took your advice then BTC would have ZERO value, just a digital rock collection. The ONLY reason BTC has value is because it is an alternative currency. The fastest way to increase its value is for widespread daily use to become common.

RevenantHaunter13

At this point it feels like the whole world is being run by clowns. Massive protests in many countries. Albania, France, Argentina, USA, etc. I would not be surprised if world war 3 is here and we're all about to perish in a slow and very stupid manner that only the clowns could have come up with. But I won't stop hodling my BTC. Dead man's grip.

Hayking_3132

Been buying since August 2024 so right there with you. I went hard as shit in buying and bought all the way to top. Talked my wife into buying a shit load also and boy was she pissed when she saw it go to 58k. I know what I hold so it wasn’t hard for me to buy all the way down when I first started buying but it was for her because she hasn’t put in 1000+ hours of study and podcasts. Brother in 12-18 months we will be pushing $200k so you won’t feel bad. One thing I did to stay interested was started buying Strive shares at $10 dollars and man has it worked out. Still exposed to BTC but that leveraged position is fun as hell. I’m 100% in BTC and BTC related stocks(minus 401k) and I’m 42 with 2 young kids. Again, I know what I own and will continue buying everyday.

Terrh

nicehash is slowly stealing all of my crypto because it's impossible to go through their KYC process despite me being a normal person in a first world country they will not accept my ID or their thing just crashes or whatever, so they charge me an "inactivity fee" every month of 0.001 BTC or something. I've been trying to get my money for over a year at this point, it's hopeless.

Ninjabredmann

No one who’s held their BTC for over 4 years has been negative. You’re only halfway there

jasonslpt

If you're thinking long term, a single entry matters less than people argue about. For anyone trading it short term, BTC is around 81.5K with roughly 74% of open interest long, and about 3x as much long liquidation fuel within 2% below as short fuel above. The first long pocket is about 81.35K to 81.4K, then a big one near 79.1K. I lean down there, wrong if BTC clears 81.6K and holds above 82K. Leverage at 100x is basically a subscription to getting liquidated on a normal wick. Not advice.

Critica0

4 year DCA is 142% kiss BTC's ass where else have you gotten that!

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Virtualization_Freak

Far from rich. I was buying 5770s and 5850s with BTC at $80-200 per card. I cashed our a single BTC at $3500 to buy a motorcycle. Paid 3 BTC for a $70k shit box condo. Now I barely touch crypto and make my money selling toys.

JordanV336

Stop fucking begging nobody sending yall BTC go get it out the job. Take yo ass to work. Nobody cares about what hand life dealt you

Affectionate_Pen6882

the power of BTC of course

sheeeeeeeeei

Can I prod for a second? Do you view buying bitcoin as “destroying your cash to acquire bitcoin”, do you believe fiat is worthless? And do you believe it is embarrassing to buy bitcoin with said Fiat? Is it sketchy and untrustworthy and a stain on your career to buy BTC with fiat? To me, kinda is. It means you are paying the electric bill of the miner. And now you must HODL. But really, to be honest, buying BTC always seemed like a losing game, when there is a new block every 10 minutes. You’re just not doing the full work, you’re buying BTC that someone else did the work to create. BTC has always been cheap AF until recently. Sorry, I just have a weird perspective on buying bitcoin, and trading it at all for FIAT, or vice versa. Everyone should own some bitcoin , right? So in a way you’re taking a handout by buying BTC, and the person selling it has no true understanding of the value of said BTC. Embarrassing deal overall. But I still sure do wish I bought some BTC back in 2012, instead of being a stuck up pri- I mean person, in the way that this comment illustrates about me.

SpontaneousDream

Aww cute cherry picking. Now go look at the all time chart. XMR/BTC is on a long term downtrend just like any other shitcoin. Thanks for playing!

ciurana

If there’s one thing for which Russians are good, it’s grey economy.  Trade in crypto only will emerge for thuinvs that won’t touch the rouble. As far as the actual trading, if you understand crypto, you use XMR as the store of value, convert to BTC or ETH for transactions.  XMRs role is anonymity, value preservation, and plausible deniability.  Trade disconnected from you happens under a pseudonymous asset. Cheers!

Og-Morrow

Your money you invested in BTC is not relevant. 1 BTC = 1 BTC.

Odd-Fun-1482

BTC if you are Canadian. Non crypto etfs if you are not

One_Distribution353

I've been in since 2017. Maybe you will take my opinion seriously or you won't give a f. I'll give you my 2 cents. Yes, I guess people will call me "lucky" or "you got it for low, of course you are up," etc... I get it. However, there were times of doubt just like you. Times I really wanted to sell it and take my money out. Yes, I got emotional on massive drops and sometimes my stomach felt like it got punched. During that process, it further cemented my belief in BTC though. As the rise of energy costs, milk, bread, eggs, cars, houses, etc, has risen, which has caused more and more money to come out of our pockets. We can't even afford to live now. I get it, it's tough to stomach years of sideways or downside. I've been through it. BTC at the end of the day is one of the best hedges against INFLATION and our rising costs for simple life neccessaties. Stay the course. Continue to DCA. Give it about 5-6 yrs. BTC is the hardest and most finite asset in the world. You will be fine

tyirtfrocolate

Yeah the meme hits different when you've been in for a while. Government spending is mostly a black hole anyway, so I'm not holding my breath for them to start stacking BTC. Personally I've just been DCAing and putting some of the idle bags into platforms that actually pay you to wait. At least the yield is better than watching the chart go down another 5%. Not financial advice, just what I'm doing while this keeps happening.

TrixoftheTrade

1 BTC ≠ 1 BTC. Its fluctuating value measured in meaningless fiat is irrelevant.

HSuke

Sure it is. That's why BTC increased to $85k over the past month. What's your explanation?

Several_Razzmatazz71

yeah except we already had a country try that, El Salvador, and even when the government said that, empirical research has shown what only 20 percent of the firms in el salvador accepted BTC. Also in principle, economists have written about private money for a long time, cryptocurrency is nothing but that. Any jack can create a cryptocurrency

Lopsided_Cap_6606

You would still have to send crypto to your bank account, most Russian shops don't accept BTC, let alone XMR

King-esckay

I borrow against it So far I have bought an atv a big solar system Fixed the tractor and purchased a few other items Pay off credit cards that was used for stuff I couldn't avoid I have borrowed when BTC was low I buy BTC each month equal to the amount of interest being charged on the loan when btc rises I pay off the loan

noddingacquaintance

CAD is part of the same leaky system of debasement and control as USD. Regardless of what happens in Alberta, BTC is still a life raft for those who want to save in hard money.

Ragged-but-Right

Silk road, when BTC was 50cents. Might have also bought an OZ of cannabis for 600BTC

free-spirit0521

From another perspective, they are also people who witnessed BTC reach its all-time high.🤣

free-spirit0521

For those who truly understand it, BTC can be rationally allocated and treated as a form of savings; however, for the vast majority, holding BTC is merely a way to profit from its price appreciation. Yet, this is not something everyone can successfully achieve—in today’s society and market, those who genuinely know how to use BTC as a savings vehicle are few and far between. For many, BTC has instilled the idea that it is a tool for making money, rather than a medium for utility or savings.

your-cersei

Thankyou for your theory! But he was not doing any transaction because the BTC just for an investment thing.. the app also official ones.. but for your third theory it might happen, also for the fourth, but i still kinda confused if his family was the culprit, how can it be done so organized and pro like that.

your-cersei

Thats why.. do you have any idea IF his own family is the culprit, can it be done professionally like that? Like the BTC was transferred to some addresses little by little and very organic? He was checking it the day before it was still there, after that tomorrow evening they were already gone.

Iron0ne

If this person actually used crypto directly instead of the exchange it actually would have worked to get money to “grandma”. They certainly could find a BTC buyer.

waltotheter

This is silly.. BTC is a liquid asset.. spend it when it makes since for you personally. I Spend some almost every month, I also buy more everymonth in the dips.. as for this next purchase I turned $112 into enough to take my son to Disneyland. So were going to Disneyland for $112 USD. Thank you BTC.

Njhuang86

Global markets are in full meltdown (QQQ down over 2%, S&P also down over 1%) and yet BTC holding extremely steady. 80K floor.

Gangat00th

Honestly? Can you ask her what hes going to do with his wallets with all the BTC in? I'm sure that a few other people would be interested in knowing as well

Bundeswera

Michael Saylor have a lot of BTC

poop-dolla

I’m a fan of BTC, but I don’t buy the argument that BTC can’t go to 0. I think it’s highly unlikely, just like I think it’s highly unlikely USD goes to 0, but it could happen.

MittenSplits

It's the only physically-constrained part of BTC. And as far as I can tell, the only physically-constrained, digital security architecture ever created.

JumpProfessional3372

I invested some money into some online broker called Myinvestor in Spain that has a BTC ETP from iShares (I think it's a bank from Andorra behind it). And I totally know that place will find some way to don't allow me from withdrawing in the future "just for your own safety" kind of excuse. Because every year they do a new KYC and their KYC has a lot of failures, it gets stuck, try again etc. Of course the part in that broker is not critical for me, so I accept the risk. But self custody is the only way to mitigate the risks of a bank seizing your assets. Anything you have in a bank or pseudo bank it's at risk in my opinion.

Accomplished-Eye5567

Inflation and tradfi in general are super slow at moving the needle In my opinion, you always see something negative for inflation in a headline; then the actual impacts in the years that follow For BTC, bad news for markets is bad news for BTC in the short term In the long term, it’s positive for BTC. My rule of thumb is that BTC is correlated short term and non-correlated long term

rubberduckybro

No but a rising tide raises all boats, if BTC goes up…

PsychoticDisorder

Litecoin might be old news in 2026 but it used to be THE chain for token swapping and quick and cheap transactions. BTC fees were expensive back in the days and the next best thing was LTC. All coins had pairs with LTC. Was no2 in charts and in our hearts!

nassauboy9

LOL, BIGGER PROBLEMS mate. BTC is so small a % of that catastrophe that no-one will care including the BTC owner.

nassauboy9

remember YOUR institution may not hold the actual BTC either. Just saying. I do have fidelity in my TFSA because of the obvious tax free part, but I have my self-custody.

sehcaorppanoitulover

Crypto is just beginning the bull market. We’re well before the price discovery phase, so it’s a good time to get positioned. I’ve mostly built positions in BTC, ETH, SOL, and XLINK since the bottom of the bear and now. Don’t put everything you have in crypto, but I definitely recommend building some positions now.

OfficialSimpleMining

This is "sequence of returns" risk, same thing retirement planners stress test with stocks. The usual fix is a cash buffer covering a year or two of spending, so you're not forced to sell BTC in the first drawdown. Would be cool to see a cash reserve option in the sim.

jasonslpt

One fund carrying the whole outflow is more of a rebalancing signal than a panic one, honestly. Still, it lines up with what derivatives are doing right now. BTC's near 81.6K and longs have eaten about 94% of the past hour's liquidations, with roughly $116M of long stops parked around 81.35K. I'd expect that pocket to get tagged first, and 79.9K after if selling keeps up. If BTC climbs back over 81.8K and stays there, that read is dead. Leverage longs keep buying the top and calling it conviction. Not advice.

jasonslpt

Funny how fast the goodbye letters turned into victory laps. A 39% quarter is great, but short term the leverage has crept back in with the mood. On BTC near 81.6K, longs made up about 91% of liquidations over the last 4 hours, and there's around $497M of long liquidations stacked near 79.9K. My lean is a flush lower before anything clean, and I'm wrong on a firm reclaim of 81.9K. Nothing humbles a recovered portfolio like a leveraged long that forgot what summer felt like. Not advice.

jasonslpt

BTC's sitting around 81.6K and the tape this morning is lopsided. Roughly 94% of the last hour's liquidations were longs, and funding is still mildly positive, so plenty of people are leaning the wrong way. I'm leaning down, first toward the ~$116M long pool near 81.35K, then the big ~$497M pile near 79.9K. This breaks if price reclaims 81.8K to 81.9K and actually holds it. Somebody opened 25x on a green candle and is now learning what a margin call sounds like. Not advice.

HSuke

Shouldn't it be the other way around. When there is inflation and fiat looks weak, people flock to Bitcoin. The fact that BTC prices aren't rising is a bad sign.

DanaMistEdwards

Honestly most of my BTC spending ends up going through gift cards. Easiest way to use it for normal stuff without the store needing to accept crypto. Groceries, Amazon, gas, that kind of thing. Full disclosure, I'm involved with a small marketplace called Flip Gift that does something similar: you pay in crypto and someone with store credit at that retailer places the order for you, usually a bit under retail, with the payment held in escrow until it arrives. But even outside of that, gift cards are probably the most practical "spend it in real life" option right now. Gifting BTC as a birthday present though? Tried it once, my nephew sold it the same week lol.

colemusic1

No, that’s not how crypto works whatsoever. What actually has outperformed inflation based on over a century of data, is S&P 500. If you’re looking to invest in something that, over a stretch of years or decades, has always proven to outperform and beat inflation, you’re best off putting your funds into something like IVV or VOO where an average of 8-9% in gains per year over time is to outpace inflation. BTC doesn’t protect you from anything to do with inflation. it’s a completely different asset when we’re talking about that sort of thing. BTC is best as an asset to invest in as a growth asset (aka a volatile/higher risk asset)

Sundance37

Someone needs to make a tutorial video showing the process. I asked a local pizza shop using square if I could pay in BTC and they had no idea how to do it. Is it automated? Do they need to make a specific QR code for the purchase? Nobody really knows.

buebaurbling

bitcoin on your smartphone :) although you won't be able to pay for much with BTC itself

Lavayo

It can, but that's not what this is about. Every law / ban / manipulation would hit the layer after BTC. What humans do with it. BTC itself does not care. There will be the next block, unless everyone stops running it.

Neo2029

Maybe we did but did we document ourselves in such a perfect and innocent way. We may be able to call this gent The GOAT. Not of BTC but of documenting with a break over a decade.

MittenSplits

Everything in BTC is abstract, except for the POW (which you could even say SHA-256 is abstract). Versus the dollar monetary system, where everything is abstract and does not even attempt to connect to reality since 1971.

fittes7

When u buy ETF you buy IOU, if u do not know what is it google it rather than act smart on the comments You buy a paper that says that somewhere over there someone has BTC 1:1 to this paper, and no one owes you anything incase something happens So you dont buy a bitcoin, you buy a paper that follows BTC price, so this is what I call rented. I own ETFs too

VettaQ

Worth separating market risk from structure risk here. With a low-volatility collateral like tokenized gold, the LTV math actually favors the borrower: you can run a higher LTV for the same liquidation distance than with BTC. The risk does not disappear, it moves layers. First, oracle risk: whether the lender marks your collateral to XAU spot or to the token's own order books matters, because PAXG/XAUT can drift a percent or two from spot under stress. Second, the weekend gap: gold spot closes Friday to Sunday while the token trades 24/7, so a thin weekend book plus a stale feed is exactly when bad liquidations happen. Third, stacked counterparties: the token is already a claim on vaulted metal, and the loan adds the platform on top of the issuer. If the all-in rate beats the spread plus tax friction of selling, it can still be rational - just make sure you are pricing the right risks.

colemusic1

oh boy… you treated it like a casino dude. sorry to say but you can’t / shouldn’t be investing at all, considering you weren’t actually doing that. you should be putting a portion of your total net worth into btc and setting it at a fixed amount (e.g. 30% BTC, 70% savings). i’m sorry you lost all your money, but it comes and goes and you’ll make it back through hard work. just don’t treat it like a gamble because it’s an extremely volatile asset, and i don’t know how you did lose it all but it sounds like you were longing or shorting and got liquidated a bunch of times

clookie1232

As someone wanting to buy BTC, but seeing the stuff about hardware wallets, where should I store it safely?

retro_grave

Nobody is mining BTC with hardware that can be used for AI.

saltytrader_

Don’t trade BTC/crypto. This isn’t something that behaves like a stock. It’s swings are violent and targeted. Sorry it happened but you clearly seemed to have gambled

Nomadic8893

also this dude is a mega grifter and tried to convince ppl to buy his "BTC treasury" company, it failed, and now back on "BTC only." we don't rock with you man.

DeadPhish-710

Not sure there is anything to be excited about. The price of litecoin did not increase after the last three halvings. In fact, it dropped every time. Also if you look at a chart of the LTC/BTC ratio you will see it has spent the last 15 years trending towards zero. I would not be the least bit surprised to see litecoin continue that trend and underperform the rest of the market like it always has.

Nomadic8893

I think this whole AI agents buy BTC or crypto thing is such a psy-op, just a intellectual bro-theory for these podcasters

acid012

Let's be real, is the fact that we had two very negative reports on inflation and BTC didn't accept the crash not a huge sign of hope? This is looking really good

MrTibbs2022

BTC sol Eth. That's it

privacymatterznow

I agree with full conviction. My life plan since I was in high school was to become financially independent as young as possible and not be like teachers and other peers looking to work until 68-70 years old. Before BTC I was an index fund maxi to get me there but after studying bitcoin, I saw I could reach my goal and save 7-10 years while at it. I wish I did more of this back in 2014 when I was paying off my loans while paying for my post grad out of pocket. I did mostly loan payments and the rest in BTC. I wish I did the reverse and also took advantage of my low 2% loan. 

MinimalGravitas

> Lil bro Oh dear, not a good start. I'm assuming you learned that at an 'alpha male boot camp'...? FYI it doesn't make you come across as dominant, it makes you seem like a muppet. > I’ve been with BTC since MtGox and Ethereum when it forked from ETC. No, you very obviously haven't, unless *with* just means 'on the same planet as'? > Outside of making meme worthy money, neither has done much since conception. I gave you examples of literally the biggest financial institutions in the world building tokenization platforms to move RWAs onto Ethereum. But sure, not much has changed since the start...?

OnlyOne_4ks

I'd go with LTC/SOL and DOGE I don't know why, but I'm sure these coins will yield more returns than ETH and BTC combined