BTC

immersive-matthew

Based on what assumption? Maybe 0.1 will be life changing or maybe 10 as no one knows. Picking 1 BTC as the target might do more to discourage than encourage.

read_more_comments

End of the Mayan calendar, they said 1 BTC is all you need

Unique_Pea2080

The funny thing is that people (mostly buttcoiners) laugh at this now, but they'll never be more than a couple million people with over 1 BTC cause the rich got a lot and they are HODLing.

Atmacrush

There were ppl telling me Saylor won't be selling anymore BTC after selling 32btc. I wonder where those ppl are now because I want to tell them "I told you so!"

dumbassretail

Why 1 BTC? Why by 2030?

lifestartswithL

next milestone would be 1% of BTC lfgg!

AAAdamKK

We can make it happen for real, I'll volunteer to get us started. I'll sell you 1 BTC for 6.4m right now.

AAAdamKK

We can make it happen for real, I'll volunteer to get us started. I'll sell you 1 BTC for 6.4m right now.

Romanizer

Not very lucrative as most vulnerable wallets only have 50 BTC on them. It wouldn't even pay for the investments. I would expect the first target to be names and addresses of foreign agents and spies and their communication.

Then-Praline2892

No life is fair it just teach you what you did not know - now you have more knowledge - do not toss in the towel work in your regular world get a stake and start small - move to options on S&P or similar BTC is way to volatile and there is not rhyme or reason - you are on the correct path do not look at this as horrid event it is a stepping stone to better world for you - also read lots of info on trading and even jot down what you thought the day would do then look back to see how often you were correct then use that info in small trades to grow your success best of good fortune

Kooky_Cucumber_7145

I’ve noticed something similar. I think there’s a psychological shift once you reach a BTC allocation that you personally consider meaningful. At that point, diversification and risk management start becoming just as important as accumulating more. I’m curious how others decide when an allocation is ‘enough’ and when to start directing new capital elsewhere.

Key-Second-2284

Sadly Meta and Google tend to allow China-based entities get away with these kinds of things for some reason. If I had a dollar for every ad I had disapproved because of their AI auto-deleting an ad because of some generic policy violation, I would have a lot of dollars. Ad networks do assume liability for whats get on their networks so changes are those who did lose their BTC from s phishing page probably could get their money back if they filed a lawsuit.

Forevererer

Listen to What Bitcoin Did, On The Brink with Castle Island, Swan Signal, Galaxy Brains… just stick with the GOAT but BTC

Big-Finding2976

In the UK we can't buy crypto ETFs in a tax-free ISA, so our choices are either buy BTC and pay tax or buy a company like MARA or MSTR in an ISA. A couple of SIPP (pension) providers let us buy crypto ETNs that are listed on the LSE, like BTC1, WBTC and IB1T, and there are some tax advantages doing that but we have to pay income tax when drawing down the pension, apart from the the first 25% of the pot which we can take tax-free.

Ms_TitAdorable

I'm mostly sticking to BTC and DCAing. Trying to time every move usually stresses me out more than it helps.

Greedy_Star9857

If you owned BTC, you probably wouldn't do anything foolish!

RLJ05

There’s nothing wrong with selling it needed to be done to prove to the banks and investors that the BTC is actually liquid and worth something

LionRivr

Strategy is buying BTC as a capital reserve asset. They take on the risk of volatility. And they issue securities that pay 10% dividends.

futurefloridaman87

Fundamentals? lol. There’s only one single fundamental in all of crypto and that is “finding some sucker to pay more for your coin that you paid for it”. With the exception of BTC, the polar opposite is true 99% of the time. The problem with crypto is anyone anywhere can do their own project/coin. There’s always something new. Tens of thousands each year. Nothing backing any of them besides Will someone pay more than I did? All the coins of yesteryear are forgotten and will never be hyped again.

JustLTFD

They were the ones pumping the BTC price from $20k to $120k on borrowed money. They are out of money. The game is over.

No-Reading-4384

Just lost 160 k on exodus BTC Not worth it getting scammed

NMoney007

The AI stocks are coming back to reality and AI agents will need crypto to interact and buy and sell things quick and easy. Also as more people use AI to make investment decision, more money will be invested in BTC given its performance over the last 16-17 years. AI has no bias just data and previous performance.

Hfksnfgitndskfjridnf

He banned me from MSTR and blocked me. Doubt he’s coming into this thread. Basically called me a troll for suggesting that even if you think BTC can grow dramatically in the long term that STRC had still be a drag on common shareholders. Which after only 1 year is already true. It doesn’t matter how much Bitcoin increases per year from here on out, the damage STRC has done to common shareholders can’t be recover. Common shareholders have lost Bitcoin per share because of STRC already and they are still on the hook for 1.2 billion a year. Bitcoin per share will keep dropping forever based on the STRC already issued.

NMoney007

He has gotten a ton of heat from investors and analysis so he has had to sell BTC to stack cash to show he can pay dividends for 32 months.

Turdfurgsn

100mil sold Same day BTC ETF purchases were 800mil Move on

TitanTreasure

BTC it's my life.

LinusVPelt

The fact they sold BTC means they are further away from failing.

iloverunning11

No because there are kids (huge part of that 8 billion) so exclude that part, exclude people who will never be interested in BTC and people who can’t afford to buy BTC also people who just don’t wanna invest in general (in US this number is low but in many countries around the world this is insanely large part of their population) all these people can easily buy BTC, but they don’t want to. Unfortunately there aren’t more bigger fools out there and you just f@&ked up your argument yourself. But who knows maybe folks who are interested in BTC will invest more (on average) during next bull run 🤷🏼‍♂️

Both-Garden-1612

BTC whitepaper is almost 18.

mrbourgs

Whatever. I personally don’t own any BTC, but whether you do or not, if you think the big boys won’t milk this again all the way to the moon and beyond, you are delusional. Multiple times, as well, for at least the next decade.

shsususysgwhwisuhdhs

Even if believe in BTC, there is no mechanism for MSTR to give BTC to the shareholders. The only way shareholders make money is if MSTR sells BTC and returns the capital to the shareholders via a dividend or share buyback. I don't see how they can do that without tanking the price below their average.

MC_SKWAIRD

Don’t ever tell your soon to be wife you have 1 BTC. Don’t ever tell anyone else you have 1 BTC. And after you read this message, delete this whole thread so no one ever finds out you have 1 BTC. Final step: buy another BTC

Yogurt_Careful

Simply the fact that people will want to make as much money as possible, so they'll rotate from stocks to crypto, as always. The cycle will continue as long as they make their 3x with BTC.

Rhaenys77

You are contradicting yourself. If anonymous early whales are no problem at all for the democratic "decentralised" freedom money for everyone then ehy should institutions be a problem. They also bought their BTC and at least there is a name and a face attached to them.

DepeletedDopamine

You are so retarded all that we have intended is that Bitcoin is money not cloud storage, can you upload photos and short videos to an e transfer or bank transfer? Nah you f**king loser. Now to what end do you want to upload the Lord of the rings with your BTC transaction?

deltamark_btc

rough afternoon for btc. two back to back high-volume 4h bars - the candle that tagged $63,800 was the biggest by volume i've seen in weeks, then bounced and the current action is very quiet by comparison. on the chart it looks like a classic capitulation flush. what's keeping me cautious is the small cap carnage today - some names down 60-70% which usually points to margin calls cascading and that kind of forced deleveraging doesn't always clear in one session. watching $63,800 as the line. hold it across a few more bars and the floor case starts to get interesting. lose it and i don't see much structure until low 60s. SOL has been outperforming BTC and ETH most of the day - relative strength is worth noting even if i'm not acting on it yet.

Doritos707

FUD. This is time to buy. Lets see your comment next time BTC passes 100k

Previous_Valuable873

The narrative since over a year now is that actual usage and usefulness (Privacy, monero) is what matters. At this point everything is a shitcoin, since institutions got their dirty little hands on BTC, that is also qualifies for one then. Look at the only coin that was gaining on BTC in the last 1.5 years and lo and behold, the only one people actually use as "crypto" as it was meant to be.... To be honest all those who haven't realized long ago that XMR is what all the BTC fanbois thought they are buying can just ride the train down to 10k no problem.

LeagueLost

I lost 6.8 BTC and I'm 52 years old. This is the worse financial hit I ever had and one probably that I will never hear from. I had my funds in my Coldcard Mk5. Its a devasting lost but I still have my health, family, friends a job and My Lord and Savior.

hkeyplay16

I don't think it will fail immediately. It will be a long, slow drop. To be honest they just need to hold onto most of that bag until it hits another all time high. Or are you saying that you don't think they have the BTC?

VendettaKarma

Nothing. Just BTC, ETH and SOL. The rest? Garbage

CarobBrave8898

BTC at 65k? Who would have thought it could go so low when it was first launched like 15 years ago. Panic sell everything, abort mission. We screwed up badly

didnt_hodl

he does not have to pay 12%. all dividends are voluntary, rate is set by him. the minimum rate is around 3% (risk free) he does not need to hold any cash either, that is also fully voluntary the idea is simple: you sell $1B of STRC. and that is a final sale. zero debt generated. no need to pay anything pack or to buy back. you just get $1B of cash. immediately buy $1B of BTC now, as long as BTC appreciates faster than the dividend rate that you get to choose, and faster than 3% per year on average., you are permanently ahead on that trade with the bonds you have to return what you borrowed. and the terms of the deal cannot be changed or altered after the sale. with STRC he can set the interest rate to risk-free tomorrow. he can also skip some dividend payments altogether. that's the difference

Elf_Maeve

lmao isn't the point of this dumb ass fund to buy and hold BTC? Isn't this the same as the fund dying? Should have sold at 120k if the plan is to play the BTC market lmao

CarobBrave8898

Hello, I am a Nigerian prince. My late fucker passed gas in an accident. He was the King Kong. I am now about to inherit one billion shitcoins but his last whistle was that I pay 100 BTC to prove my wrong and then he will realize the shitcoins. If you help me out with this little excuse I will confiscate your BTC and helpfulness by giving you a hundred million shitcoins. Sincerely yours, The Nigerian prince

big_deal

You can sue but if you win and get a judgement against them, do you really think Coldcard has cash or BTC to pay everyone back!? They would just go bankrupt. Maybe they could be charged criminally and fined or jailed but that’s still not going to make customers whole.

whisperedstate

Bitcoin in 10 years? So another three halvings, and quantum computers being much closer to reality? BTC will be lucky to be at current prices, and likely much lower than it is now.

hoppeeness

Utility of blockchains BTC may rise again as powers at be that now control most of it will pump and dump but it will be less and less over time. Its utility is waning. Actual coins with utility will disconnect from it and move on their own. Give it a year or two and the disconnect will start to be more apparent.

TheGDC33

Time will usher in a new narrative once we see more blood and then we will see it is BTC's time again to go up up up. Making money will be the narrative

UpDown

Yes, so BTC can go back to its true value, $800.

etaoin314

none of that has any reason to touch BTC/eth/ or any speculative crypto. So how does it help you make money?

LionRivr

If “major adoption” is major countries holding BTC as a reserve asset, then I’d agree. But “daily use” for day-to-day transactions is unrealistic in my opinion. Unless it’s on an L2 or something.

Azatis-

Iran war ends, BTC halving, Interest cut rates, AI frenzy cooldown to name some

Vipu2

Reddit says its bad when Saylor buys tons of BTC. Reddit says its bad when Saylor sells BTC. If Saylor does nothing for next few months its probably bad too.

No-Masterpiece2246

The Core devs killed all of that vision by refusing to increase blocks, and implementing RBF, Segwit, and Taproot. The real vision died silently in its sleep in 2017. And yes I know about Andreas Antonopolous and banking the unbanked. Great that you believe in this vision but I don't understand why you haven't woken up to the realities of what was done to BTC. It's mined by Fortune 500 companies for god's sake. Every transactions is monitored to hell and costs so much to mine. I think it's time to accept that the BTC project has been co-opted and start using other coins. Please tell me you don't believe "Lightning is Bitcoin" and all of that other shit.

Rock_Strongo

Correlation != causation. There is zero way to tell what percent of that 18% was due to his 32 BTC sell and attributing it ALL to that is asinine. Global financial markets have a million different variables, it's only the clickbait "news" sites largely written by AI that try to say "X happened because of Y".

thistimelineisweird

So far his selling 32 BTC in May moved the market more than 1690 today.  The market has accepted that he can sell and seemingly has moved on. 

MakCapital

Volatility of each cycle becomes less severe. Look at the charts yourself. BlackRock and other institutions already labeling as risk off. Gold's recent top to bottom wasn't much better, but its MC is enormous by comparison. Gold less operationally liquid. Larger the MC the less volatile during retail runs. People get crazy during highs/lows. This is the cost of admission for a less mature SOV. Its properties still fundamentally superior. Why gold could 5x tomorrow and it wouldn't dent XAU/BTC. First to understand benefit from more upside. As they should.

Lavayo

We are not early, but using the stages of life metaphor.... BTC is no baby, no teen, but it's not the successful person looking back on a decade long career either. Just started college.

BitPulse_

Congrats on reaching 1 BTC. Stacking quietly via DCA without overextending is usually the most sustainable path. To judge if current levels are historically attractive, metrics like the Mayer Multiple (price divided by the 200-day moving average) help show where we sit relative to long-term trends. In the model I run to simulate price scenarios, looking at probabilistic ranges helps keep emotion out of timing decisions, though any simulation can fail when conditions shift. Keeping a cash buffer alongside a steady DCA helps maintain discipline over full cycles.

Hfksnfgitndskfjridnf

It’s worse than that. You didn’t mention building a 3 year cash reserve after BTC has already tanked. They basically have the same Bitcoin per share today that they had prior to STRC IPO (198k Sat/share vs 191k prior). So they got absolutely nothing out of issuing STRC Bitcoin wise and now owe 1.2 Billion a year in dividends forever. STRC has been an epic disaster for shareholders, and they want to issue MORE!

Hfksnfgitndskfjridnf

It’s worse than that. You didn’t mention building a 3 year cash reserve after BTC has already tanked. They basically have the same Bitcoin per share today that they had prior to STRC IPO (198k Sat/share vs 191k prior). So they got absolutely nothing out of issuing STRC Bitcoin wise and now owe 1.2 Billion a year in dividends forever. STRC has been an epic disaster for shareholders, and they want to issue MORE!

Hfksnfgitndskfjridnf

Convertible bonds are way better than STRC. Getting a 0 coupon convertible with a higher strike price than the current stock price that doesn’t come due for 3 years is infinitely better than paying 12% a year forever and having to hold 3 years of cash against. Just do the math. Issue 1 Billion of converts and buy 1 Billion of BTC. You have to equitize or pay back the debt in 3 years. Or Issue 1 Billion of STRC and buy 640 million of BTC. You have to pay 120 million a year forever and earn 4% on 360 million in cash. Use whatever BTC growth rate you want, convertibles always come out on top even after you pay it all back.

AromaKachu

Yeah, the 100x days are probably behind us. But maybe Bitcoin maturing isn't about getting rich overnight. It's about what we can actually do with BTC, like native staking, collateral, or lending...

shelby_xx88xx

There are BTC loan products, but APR needs to be more competitive and of course you have margin call risk. Coinbase BTC Yield Fund is interesting, but only for whales and institutional players.

Expensive_Seat5694

Ibit will behave somewhat like BTC when the market comes back.

RUYYRUYY

> Saylor has never sold a single Sat of his own personal BTC. The last time I can find that he spoke on how much Bitcoin he personally owns is [October 2020](https://x.com/saylor/status/1321422012380753921?lang=en). Do you have a more recent statement on this from him?

AromaKachu

Yeah, easy bank integration would be a huge milestone. I also think we’re still pretty early when it comes to actually putting native BTC to work, like using it as collateral without having to sell it. TBVs are an interesting step in that direction. Wdyt?

Dependen212

stablecoins on aave or kamino makes sense, funding rate farming too if you know what you're doing. BTC yield is basically not worth the custody risk on most platforms.

AromaKachu

Institutions being here is a big milestone, but bitcoin is still evolving beyond just holding it. There’s still a lot of room for new ways to put BTC to work, whether that's native staking, using it as collateral, or other financial use cases.

CatchNo2865

You must always remain long with Bitcoin. You only lose when you sell. I made the same mistake back in 2018 . I rode BTC from 6k up to almost 20k then it crashed down to 3k. My son had an unexpected job transfer and needed $ for his move so we liquidated our positon 15k at the bottom . Turned out he didn't need that much help and I threw 3 years of work and learning out the window. Buy the dumps and sell the pumps ... live and learn !!

MyFrontTeethAreFake

not at all. even if btc goes to 600,000 that's only a 10x I put 5k in now, it's 50k in 10 years. Which is like 14k in todays dollars no one is getting rich off BTC anymore, it's why it's flat.

O-shoe

You aren't missing out on anything. I started investing in crypto 9 years ago, and had I only bought BTC, my portfolio would be 30x bigger. Altcoins do many x's when it's their season, but they always return back to their low point when the hype cycle ends. BTC never returns that low (and so far neither has ETH, but ETH can be replaced whereas BTC can't).

Itur_ad_Astra

Not really, the network will have to hard fork a tail emission next decade or collapse. BTC will settle for something like 0.5-1% annual inflation.

KodigoMadrid

"BTC is the only cryptocurrency with any value". That's it.

mikkeltaylor1

Still has over 800k BTC. What you think that’s going to be worth in 5-10 years? How much more will they accumulate along the way?

MC_SKWAIRD

I know it sounds crazy to say, but this is why I keep my BTC on a CEX only. You can say oh if there’s a run on it and the CEX doesn’t have liquidity blah blah blah. They have security infrastructure that is unmatched and that’s all I care about. I’m not worried about BTC dropping more than 50% from today’s value and don’t think I’ll ever have any serious issues with liquidity from a major CEX any time soon. Sometimes the simplest solution is the best solution, miss me with all this self custody nonsense

thistimelineisweird

Immaterial if the market thinks his activities are any sign of the health of BTC. When he sold 32 the price tanked 18% damn near overnight. If he can sell 1,690 and nothing happens to the price, it shows that no one really cares about if he holds or sells anymore.

Local-Butterscotch34

the people blaming you are also why BTC sits at $64k — absolutely zero empathy, no design thought.

wh977oqej9

Gold has been used for thousands of years now. We are very early with BTC.

AdAdditional7741

You missed the point. I didn't say Wall Street isn't allowed to buy Bitcoin, obviously the code is permissionless. My point is about the shift in focus and incentives. Satoshi hardcoded a headline about bank bailouts into the Genesis Block because Bitcoin was built as an alternative to the centralized banking cartel. Celebrating BlackRock and JPMorgan swallowing up the supply and controlling price discovery through ETFs means the community has embraced the exact system BTC was meant to bypass. Anecdotal p2p payments don't change the fact that the dominant narrative has shifted from 'p2p cash' to 'Wall Street line goes up.'

Esoldier22

Honestly if the person was one of the whale that cashed in and became billionaires in the latest bull run (with possibly hundreds or even thousands more BTC) it would be no big deal for them to burn 100 btc for the meme.

PearPuzzleheaded4633

Open source is blind trust unless you're the one auditing. i agree that looking at things probabilistically is the correct way. however you are speaking in absolutes which is wrong. unless you build every component of the HWW yourself and write or audit the code yourself you don't know that it is not secretly sending your seed to Mossad HQ. There is no such thing as risk free self custody of BTC. However you have to weigh that up with the risk of not owning bitcoin as it rips higher as a scarce asset.

nerdburg

I'm older - I've been investing for 40+ years. One of the primary rules of investing for me is to not to put all my assets in one place, the other being "diversify". I have some BTC in cold storage, I have some on the exchanges and I have some in ETFs. Same with traditional investing - I have more than one broker. Same with banking. Protect all your hard work folks 🙂

ecrane2018

But then a country would need to be willing to trade BTC for a commodity…

Financial-Spirit5106

Which part of his message was so poorly written that it deserved to be brigaded? Fella lost his BTC already, but that’s not enough? May you live a life filled with the exact lessons you need to become a better person 🥲

Financial-Spirit5106

Collecting upvotes because you’re glad someone lost their BTC is playing with ironic fire, and you all deserve to get burned 😘 Function of communication > silly feelings

spacetimeshare

What about reversing the equation and accepting BTC as payment

spacetimeshare

So then flip the script and accept BTC for commodities?

nyanf

Why the fuck did you store 18.25 BTC on a single wallet?!

No-Wrap3568

Cypher rock X1 BTC-only, 256 bits of randomness that too coming from two different independent sources

NorthHaverbrookNate

[Some tech adoption curves (caveat BTC isn't quite tech)](https://caroli.org/en/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2016/07/s-curve-real-life.png) [Bitcoin total wallet addresses by holding amount](https://www.bitcoinmagazinepro.com/charts/addresses-holding-x-btc-by-year/) Choose your own adventure I guess

piejlucas

This may not help but many years back I too suffered a loss. Nearly 12 BTC gone to someone who installed a key logger on my PC. It was an $11k loss at the time. Instead of resigning myself to Bitcoin I got a hardware wallet and repurchased the lost coins as soon as I was able. Those coins ended up costing me nearly 2x what the lost batch did. But the years passed and my investment went on to eclipse the loss. Today I would advise the same except I would suggest you consider an ETF or custody at Fidelity. Those options did not exist for me back then.

BuyIndependent2319

I basically burned 50 BTC back in the day; I lost the private key to the one and only block I mined back in February 2009. I was a complete moron and never actually invested much in Bitcoin or crypto since then. Instead of burning some more maybe you could send some my way, knowing that because of me, there is 50 BTC less available on the blockchain… Help out the less fortunate, I really tried to do my best in this life..

ecrane2018

Yeah so they can issue new bonds. He’s building a cash hoard to service the bonds either at their due date or earlier. Then expecting BTC to move up to then issue new bonds.

Lanky_Blaine

For event-driven stuff like elections or rate cuts, look into Event Study Methodology or standard regression models to measure volatility clusters before and after major news. You could also compare BTC price returns against variance in election polling odds like Polymarket data. Keep it simple for an undergrad paper, market sentiment shifts fast so high-frequency daily data will be your friend here

tenor_tymir

Let’s see: \* The USA has a strategic BTC reserve \* POTUS released a shitcoin \* Other nation states are adopting BTC reserves \* Companies are putting BTC massively (!) on their balance sheets \* the biggest (!) wealth management companies are running spot ETFs \* the biggest sports events are sponsored by exchanges and have the most popular players under endorsements I would say: No, we’re not early anymore.

IndividualAward2771

> Not your entropy not your coin. More than half the population will shit in their pants trying to understand what entropy even means. (I mean, I have a PhD in [Network information theory](https://www.cambridge.org/au/files/7813/9463/5081/Preview_of_the_book.pdf), and even I could not conceptualise it my first reading). So yes, they would be more comfortable leaving _their_ Sats in someone else's custody, protected by their KYC documents or whatever. (May not be bank account, can be Coinbase as well). Some, or many people making that choice does not scare me. But what scares me is, if big corporations and institutions recognise that as the _default setup_ and tries to choke the life of self-custody as a concept when transacting. Case in point? [Emirates](https://www.emirates.com/sg/english/) became the first airlines in the world to accept Crypto (including BTC) for flight booking. Encouraging, huh? The glitch is, you cannot pay on chain or lightning, but only from your [crypto.com](https://crypto.com/sg) wallet. A world where crypto.com gate keeps my payment to a merchant is no different from the present.

deefjuh

Is this the new version of BTC-e's Trollbox?

Lefties_TheWorst7331

BTC #1