BTC

MakCapital

> No you haven't, it's been a thing only for 17 years and I doubt you even heard about it that long ago. I have been buying and researching BTC and all blockchains since 2011. That's nearly 2 decades. Information publicly available. > I'm not saying the USD or any other currency is perfect, but BTC doesn't fix anything. You ignored. Better ledger for world's wealth over shiny metal. Fixes perpetual dilution. Among everything else ignored. > It did, and I believe it has reached its peak. It can't keep growing infinitely, and definitely won't provide in the future anything near what it did in the past. The same value drivers exist that brought it to a top asset. Nothing changed. >You didn't address anything, you're just spewing moon boy propaganda without understanding anything really. Past performance doesn't guarantee future returns. Covered everything. You ignored and didn't challenge. You lied and misled each response. >When you're a hammer everything looks like a nail. Tell that to the United States, BlackRock, and now global consensus.

RecklessStallion9999

I think the moment you reach 4 figures of BTC on any exchange, it’s worth spending 100 euros to secure it with your keys.

GoldmezAddams

At some point, the security / control / peace of mind of the hardware wallet is worth the price of admission. Like with gold, if you own one gold coin, it probably doesn't make sense to buy a good, expensive safe. If you have hundred of gold coins it's a no brainer. Where you actually draw the line is up to you. I'd say somewhere between 0.01 and 0.1 BTC.

Psyched_and_Berned

It’s been a pain in the ass! I now have enough to buy a place in one of the highest cost of living metros in the US and I can’t find the right balance of selling, getting a BTC collateralized loan and keeping enough to refinance. So I wait….

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654321745954

Aim for a minimum of .01 BTC in a single UTXO if storing on chain.

Professional_Yam_442

Collateralised loans on BTC does not make sense. Collateralisation implies stability in the collateral and therefore risk mitigation; with such wild fluctuations in BTC, it is likely that this would *increase* the risk of the loan--further since most loans are set term, you would be on the hook to try to collect on your collateral at a fixed point, unable to manage BTC volatility. Mortgage-backed securities were bad enough, but BTC-based debt would likely be a disaster.

forumofsheep

Wrong, the higher the price the more sellers will show up. Not everybody will hodl BTC when it hits 200k, 300k, 500k, 1mio and so on. There will be profit taking.

omg_its_dan

$1k is a good rule of thumb. Less than that you should focus the funds on more BTC first imo.

highdimensionaldata

Half the world’s population don’t even own shoes let alone mobile phone or computer. They ain’t buying BTC.

thupkt

Doubt we ever see 6.784 BB people owning BTC, that's well over 80% of everyone on Earth. Ever researched how many of those people do not have plumbing, or convenient access to potable water?

Altruistic-Koala-255

I agree with him, it's a risk currency, I wouldn't place any money that I cannot afford to lose it, that being said, I just was able to get my dream house for a cheap amount that I placed in BTC in 2017

roamingandy

That's really the issue though. The biggest boy, BTC, is notoriously slow at updating it code. Developers argue endlessly and mostly things just stay as they were. This is mostly an issue for Bitcoin, and older wallets that people shouldn't be using any more.

ieatvegans

If we're gonna exaggerate the price, I could say BTC is around $80k.

Green_Ad9723

Then BTC is pointless for you.

Green_Ad9723

No, then BTC will become deflationary… the rocket will really take off.

sk8trix

For sure, I work in sales and I tell people all of the time. You're most likely not going to be a lucky one to become a crypto billionaire. Get a damn job and invest slowly. Don't be a fool buying the top and selling the bottom. Don't get married to the asset and never cash out because u want ot be the cool guy. You invest, sell buy and rinse and repeat. I hoard BTC but I buy and sell Alt coins and slowly have built up a big nest egg. THIS DOESN'T MEAN I can quit my job. Having a a job is a must for any adult.

RandomPlayerCSGO

I just buy Bitcoin and monero every month and withdraw to hardware wallet, been doing this for 6 years, I am in so much profit that I no longer even bother to calculate how much profit I have or what is my total value, I just keep saving BTC and monero and spend them if I need something that my salary isn't enough to cover, that's it, it's been way more effective than when I was trying to trade and chase new projects and shitcoin pumps

JohnnyStrides

Currency isn't a very good one, it literally sits there and eats away at itself. That's the appeal of BTC since it has a finite supply, it solves that problem. It has a whole host of other problems, but parking your money is cash for anything but short-term needs isn't usually a smart play since it's such a lousy store of value.

NPC_With_Agency

I would love to see this. It effectively eliminates unit bias, which is a huge psychological barrier for people getting into Bitcoin. It is much easier for people to wrap their heads around owning 1,000,000 sats (a whole number) versus 0.01 BTC (a fraction). Normalizing sats is the next step in validating it as an actual unit of account rather than just a speculative asset.

ForsakenStretch6055

Maybe high school first, then buy Bitcoin 😂 Education + BTC = diversified future, right?

Aerocryptic

OK and why governments buy Gold and not BTC? Back to square 1 : cause they're very different in their risk / reward profile. BTC is still a speculative risk-on beast. Gold is a boring asset that only moves once in a while and then does nothing for ages. Maybe BTC will behave the same in a couple of decades. But until then it won't be the first thing governments will buy when shit hits the fan on a geopolitical scale.

BoldCrunchyUsername

😂 Eating a burger at Steak n Shake rn I just paid ~ 0.00014 BTC for.

bimbobandit2016

No, the only difference between BTC and gold right now is that governments buy gold. Get governments to buy BTC at regular intervals and their price actions will be quite similar

gonats24

totally agree. took me a while to realize i cant handle the stress of trading so now i just accumulate things like BTC, SEI, & SOL and let it sit. way better for my mental

minimorsels

The day mining rewards drop to under 1 BTC will supply shock the world. I think it’s like 2032 or something

Grand-Button5819

That's a balanced take and I mostly agree. >there are way more important changes needed than the "debasement" of money (i.e. most of the wealth is being hoarded by like seven people) I don't think wealth inequality is a problem in itself as long as you earned your wealth by providing value to other people instead of extracting it through asset inflation and insider trading. Also, you should only be able to buy goods and services instead of lawmakers and get-out-of-jail-free cards. That's a whole other topic, though. >this sub is filled with people daydreaming about essentially winning the BTC lottery Sure, we have more than our fair share of moonboys dreaming of Lambos, but I think the narrative is slowly shifting towards more long term views. >I believe we're wired for work. I'm not sure if we're "wired for work". I'd rather say we're wired for meaning and fulfillment and some of us realize that through work. For some, work is just means to other ends (like hobbies, travels, etc). The ultimate goal is fulfillment imo. >Basically, the guy has some points, although I agree with others that "just accept misery" should not be the conclusion. I agree that guy has some good points, especially when he criticizes freeloaders and gamblers. It's just his "just be miserable" conclusion/advice I can't stand.

KIG45

No, sell it next bull run and buy BTC later. Leave some just in case.

omardzzz

Silver is the future BTC

Impossible_Nature849

I believe we're wired for work. Yes, the current system exploits this, but there are way more important changes needed than the "debasement" of money (i.e. most of the wealth is being hoarded by like seven people). I do think that this sub is filled with people daydreaming about essentially winning the BTC lottery instead of doing the extremely hard work of building a meaningful work life in the current system. Basically, the guy has some points, although I agree with others that "just accept misery" should not be the conclusion.

crazybird-thereal

I througt PoS, will eventualy overcome BTC due to greener promesses. But i was wrong and now i only focus on BTC.

antoine235

It depends on the crypto you're interested on. BTC, ETH? Very likely too late for the big gains first holders got, though there is still some room for growing. Any other crypto will be a roulette bet.

Quantum_Pineapple

Then give me your BTC etc.

Unknown_Lifeform1104

We don't give a damn, we just want to know when BTC will reach 1M so we can REALIZE OUR BALLS, GUYS!

A13xS34rch

I'm a day trader, can’t brag about having that Lambo status of financial freedom. Actually a lot of those early BTC selfmade millionaires are broke today because of reckless spending and "yolo" bad investments. Being a good trader means discipline and hard work. You may not have to deal with some Middle management a'hole boss. But is like in that movie 'All the money in the world' when J.Paul Getty tells Fletcher: "The hardest part is not getting rich, it's staying rich". So even I kind of agree with some points of this "life advice", I have to say it sounds a bit out of some Self-Help book or Seminaire spiel for selling courses on how to get rich. Indepence also requires work. A lot of times even more than 8h a day.

dca-bot

I would keep it flexible. If we are in a bear market try to use 30%. If we are in a bull market use 15%. You want to double down on cheap BTC and increase your DCA (multiplier DCA)

Terrible_Pie3038

BTC did what it always does, alts did what they always do in tight conditions

anon1971wtf

"Next BTC" means fucking over Bitcoiners, the biggest oldest ledger, and also means producing heavier energy signature. No one is nowhere close

anon1971wtf

Only for current elliptic curves. There're thought of quntum-proofing cryptocraphy. Mining is already pretty quantum-proof, for signatures - BIP360 on BTC's and Qunatumroot on BCH's are worth tracking

mrjune2040

You have emails from them saying they were shutting down and to move your coins. Regardless you should have at least checked once in a decade, it was never a place you’d willingly just store coins (I say this as someone who bought some of my first BTC there). Anyway, the coins are 100% gone now.

elixon

Yes, they are raising more and more, but it also means they have to pay dividends as well. And the convertible notes: 2028 at $183, $1B 2029 at $672, $3B ... I personally expect the price to be higher than it is now. But it needs to double by next year for them not to be in trouble, and it needs to increase seven times from the current price for them not to be in trouble in two years. And who can see the future? Just look at this year. What was the peak, where did it end up. You never know. I cannot say that I expect any specific price in the future. I have no data. I only have hopes, and I hope BTC will one day become what it was meant to be, not just a tool for pure speculation.

Desperate-Database87

The market cap of everything else is always climbing because of money printing inflation. Some countries control it better the others but you don’t actually think that a country like turkey started of by saying a cup of coffee is 2million lira’s. To reset the system a dozen years back or so they removed the zeroes but inflation kicked their ass. If BTC is right then it wil just rise faster then any other assets.

djejjeff

My trading strategy is based on the following assumptions: 1. The top tier crypto will go up a lot of you have a long investment horizon. At lest 5 years. Top tier I define as BTC, ETH and SOL. 2. I believe SOL will show the highest beta of the three, so SOL has over weight in the portfolio 3. I use levarage, but very modest 1.35x. I know exactly how low my crypto has to go and I know exactly when I will exit and that's long before liquidation and I know how much I will lose if I exit a at this point 4. Then I just sit right tight and add a little when it drops

Aerocryptic

People fail to understand that btc and gold are not on the same risk reward curve yet. If BTC overcomes its long term security issues, it can become a better SoV than Gold itself. But it will take a lot of time to gain that kind of trust and consensus

Careless-Country6377

Lol. This is small picture thinking. You are investing. In 20 years when BTC is 500k, will you be thinking you were too late?

alexph14

I’ve been DCAing weekly since late 2019. Haven’t sold any and waiting for BTC to hit at least 200k so I can retire 🚀 My friend was my inspiration. He started buying in 2016 when it was around $500 and recently sold 85% of his BTC when it peaked at 115k. He bought a house, paid off his and his wife’s student loans, retired his wife so she can stay home with their 2 kids while still DCA monthly.

DardoAkaJimmy

haha this your reply is pretty funny but nah not too late imo. most alts are still way down from ATH, could easily run if BTC stays stable

Glyzzza_

It’s not “too late,” but the game has changed. The days of easy 100× from random coins are mostly gone, yet crypto can still offer strong returns if you focus on long-term investing, DCA, and quality assets like BTC and ETH instead of chasing hype.

Sea-Environment-5938

Honestly, "only BTC" is a pretty sane starting point. Most people get wrecked chasing alts before they even understand cycles. BTC is the cleanest bet in crypto because it has the deepest liquidity and strongest narrative and lowest "random rug" risk. Timing-wise: nobody knows. If you’re new, I’d avoid trying to nail the bottom and just DCA weekly/monthly with money you can hold for 3–5 years. That removes a lot of stress. One thing though: be careful keeping funds on any exchange long-term especially smaller ones. Buy, then move to self-custody once you’re comfortable. What’s your plan: long-term hold, or are you trying to trade swings?

Fit-Poet6736

stack BTC and ETH and put it in a Nexo wallet to earn on it. For extra liquidity you can take a loan against your crypto. Simple, easy and safe

DryMyBottom

I get the hype we saw in the past around SOL, but the truth is that beside BTC, and maybe ETH, the crypto space is full os useless junk, and the sooner people understand that the better will be for their savings

isaacvictory

That’s also why I’m less interested in gambling on trades and more focused on putting BTC to work safely. Platforms like CoinDepo fit this “mature Bitcoin” phase no DeFi, no smart-contract staking, Fireblocks custody, simple lending, and liquidity without lockups. It’s not flashy, just consistent.

Realistic_Fee_00001

Read Hijacking Bitcoin. BTC will not bring this revolution.

Arijan101

>the total value. >Obviously when btc was trading in pennies, the low psychological barriers to price movement allowed higher % fluctuations. > As the relative value of btc to usd increased, it was still volatile, yes, but also it was not widely understood or adopted. > As the value has climbed to much higher levels, volatility has slowed. We havent seen a 90% drawdown, nor a 2100% rise. This is exactly why BTC is a bad investment, especially at these levels. The upside is extremely limited, but the downside risk is enormous. Also, we're in the first few months of the bear market and BTC already plummeted by 40%. It's an over bloated $2T market cap asset, which has no use case IRL. >We have lost 90% purchasing power of the dollar since 71. That's literally a widespread commonly.known fact. Very easy to verify so if you cant accept that, this isnt a good faith argument. That's completely irrelevant to BTC. Yeah, Inflation is a thing that exists, Bitcoin doesn't fix that.

RecycleModelA1

Of course, people who say BTC has institutional investor so the 4 yr cycle is dead don’t really understand cycles, you can proceed to ignore them. S&P has 4 year cycles and gold has 8 year cycles. People just want to believe because everyone knows about the cycle it won’t work anymore. Thats not how it works. Cycles are in control and narrative follows. Psychologically it’s wired in us to try to find reason for everything.

HairyChest69

Yep. Like tokens. Like BTC.

Staxu9900

Wait a year when crypto winter hits hard, then buy only BTC and wait for next ATH.

crazybird-thereal

Today, i use DCA full BTC. I used to mine, wich was the reason (all cost cumulated) i’m not positive today. I try to found the next BTC (since 2017). And i finaly started DCA in 2020, on multiple crypto and BTC, crypto sould be in top 50. The result is here, my only positive crypto is BTC. So next month i will DCA full BTC, without selling my previous coins cause they are PoS type, and still can grow. But from my experience full DCA BTC (1 a month) is from far the best strat, it’s boring, i plan to need it in 25 years for my retirement. Just place and look 1 day a month, and the rest of time just do your life, you’l saw it’s a peacefull life.

DistributionOk2111

You missed the point of BTC

Arijan101

>Btc hasnt failed as a *long term store of value In lack of a time machine being invented that's completely irrelevant for future investors. Also, maybe read the white paper, no where does it say BTC is a store of value, that's B.S. invented by BTC maxis. >When, was the value of btc destined for long term, perpetually lower relative values to everything else? Again, irrelevant for present and future investors. Sure, it was a great investment in the last, today it simply isn't.

elixon

Very good question. Thumbs us for asking before making jumping on conclusion and voting down like the other dummies. It is always better to analyze the mechanics first rather than react emotionally. MicroStrategy is effectively using leverage to acquire Bitcoin. The company finances its BTC purchases primarily through equity issuance and convertible debt. Several tranches of convertible notes are scheduled to mature over the coming years. For example, the 2028 convertible notes have a principal value of approximately $1.01 billion. Additional maturities follow, with roughly $3 billion due in 2029 and about $2.8 billion in 2030. If these notes are not converted into equity, MicroStrategy will need to repay the principal in cash at maturity. Absent sufficient operating cash flow or favorable refinancing conditions, this could require selling a significant portion of its Bitcoin holdings. If Bitcoin prices fail to rise materially over time, forced asset sales to meet debt obligations could create meaningful supply pressure on the market. In that scenario, large scale BTC liquidation would likely exert downward pressure on price, potentially triggering a broader correction. It is a possibility that one cannot rule out. So smart people should take it in an account.

MinimalGravitas

Not in the same way. Quantum resistant encryption algorythms already exist and centralized systems (like traditional financial infrastructure) can upgrade to use them quickly and easily. Decentralized projects have a harder time coordinating upgrades (e.g. the switch from PoW to PoS took Etherum several years to design, test on all the diverse client software, and finaly implement). Additionally there is the issue of legacy key pairs. Any bitcoin address from the early days that sent BTC and still has some remaining is particularly vulnerable to quantum attacks. To avoid being easy targets these need to be moved to newly derived addresses, but plenty of these are what are referred to as 'lost coins', the owners having lost their private keys or died or whatever. The rightful owners can't move them, but an attacker with a quantum computer could. This problem doesn't exist in traditional banking because the institution in control of the network can upgrade everything all at once.

Nemozoli

Nice idea! The only problem is that I am supposed to want to spend BTC...

A13xS34rch

My thesis is BTC will become a blip in financial history. Source of reference for my Thesis: https://medium.com/@alexsearch22/exit-liquidity-the-mathematical-psychological-and-quantum-case-against-cryptocurrency-ebbeaec1329c My Background: Nonyabiz Business School for Gifted Children

CoinGate

Last year, USDT was first and BTC 2nd. This year, USDC might rank higher as we have delisted USDT due to regulatory reasons.

jkl2035

Great attention on a very important topic - hope this drives discussion in BTC community

inShambles3749

That's not the purpose of decentralization. It's free to use by everyone no one can restrict it. It's about not having a single entity control it. Even if banks offer services around BTC or crypto in general they are never in charge of the system. No one can prevent me from sending coins P2P to someone. However "merging" means that banks can control the asset which they never will be able to do.

your_unpaid_bills

Except that most such systems are centralised and mostly hosted on private servers. Meaning that if the quantum threat becomes more tangible, they can shift to quantum-secure cryptography in the matter of days (don't need to wait for emergent consensus among or anything) and destroy the servers with the insecurely encrypted data. Even in case they are too late and an attack happens, they can simply roll back to a previous state (where it applies, e.g. bank accounts). All of the above simply does not apply to Bitcoin, which would require a hard fork to make sure that the legacy addresses that hold most BTC (due to the distribution model) won't be hacked. Even to get a soft fork with minimal changes takes literally years on Bitcoin, a hard fork could easily take a decade or more to get approved (after endless battles), implemented, tested and finally deployed.

Expensive_Special120

Hahaha good luck crypto bro. Hodl tight, I will need some BTC to buy at 30k.

inShambles3749

Source is common sense and logical reasoning. BTC and XMR are decentralized and have a purpose that goes against centralized control of Banks. Are you that stupid or do you see the contradiction in the articles claim now after I pointed it out?

Arijan101

>I dont follow that guy's logic. You don't live in the same area code as logic. >I can't figure out how an asset that, valued in usd, went from a yearly high of $23,900 in 2020 to a yearly high of 127k in 2025 devalued by 10% Who wrote that and where? Please quote. >USD would have relatively decreased by almost 80% This is a straight up lie, just Google it. >Btc is not a great transactional currency, but neither is gold. But like you said intermediary currencies accomplish that in the same ecosystem. Both BTC and gold are bad at being currency, that's not even a question, the difference is BTC is bad at being everything, it has no real life use case and it's bad at being a store o value.

Arijan101

>Been hearing this naysaying for 2 decades No you haven't, it's been a thing only for 17 years and I doubt you even heard about it that long ago. >that don't get it as Bitcoin rose to one of the most valuable assets on earth. Very disconnected to think it just stops here. It did, and I believe it has reached its peak. It can't keep growing infinitely, and definitely won't provide in the future anything near what it did in the past. >When USD goes down it doesn't move back up. Down only. BTC up only zoom out. BTC avoids the problem of dilution of government issued currencies. Why it will continue to dominate. Why it's already risen as a top asset, we have global consensus it's a true SOV, a reserve asset of the US, better ledger for global wealth over shiny metal, and labeled risk off by BlackRock. Governments can't stop over spending. Means they can't stop printing. Bitcoin is the solution, and this solution will eventually reach currency status. More time needed. I'm not saying the USD or any other currency is perfect, but BTC doesn't fix anything. >Not responding to all your wrong assertions on your agenda, but covered most. You would need an agenda to still think Bitcoin hasn't done exactly what it was supposed for 2 decades while asserting the same tired nonsense like it's only for gambling 🤣. We're way past that. Move on. You didn't address anything, you're just spewing moon boy propaganda without understanding anything really. Past performance doesn't guarantee future returns. >I'm surprised many still fall for posts like yours with everything Bitcoin has already accomplished. When you're a hammer everything looks like a nail.

Rolienolie

Given how little of the total BTC is in this data, I bet most of this is just ripped from https://bitcointreasuries.net/ since the US based BTC in OPs data is pretty close.

Trancegonadz

That is because in 2021 China didn't also create massive tariffing. In short, tariffing removes consumer interest because there is less capital for consumers in America to spend. In turn, that signals institutional level investing to move more capital toward safer markets were consumer sentiment isn't adding to their risk levels. Throw in a couple war threats and actions and you further solidify both institutional and individual capital allocation elsewhere. The US BTC reserves would need to be much much larger to offset that shift in private sector capital allocation. And, I also personally believe that social factors (many of which others pointed out) garner distrust (be it warranted or not).

ReliantToker

​Fun Fact: On August 15, 2010, the Bitcoin network faced its most significant technical crisis, known as the "Value Overflow Incident." An unknown user exploited a bug in the code to create a transaction that minted 184.4 billion BTC—over 8,700 times the 21-million supply cap. ​The situation was critical, but the response was purely community-driven. Within 90 minutes of the bug being spotted on the Bitcointalk forum, developers (including Satoshi Nakamoto and Jeff Garzik) had identified the error. Within five hours, a patched version of the software was released. The community of miners quickly coordinated a "soft fork" to reject the bad transaction, effectively rolling back the chain to the last valid block. By the next day, the "clean" chain had overtaken the "inflated" one, and the 184 billion coins were erased from history.

DistributionOk2111

Bro altcoins are scam Projects, they dont want to make you rich, these projects obly want to make themselves rich, cant compare that with bitcoin, even behind ethereum there is the ethereum foundation that has the power over that network Im BTC only since 2021 and i dont regret it

Arijan101

>Was gold ever volatile? Never as much as BTC. >Inflation isnt a hypothetical, just the rate at which i proposed. No, inflation is a real thing, you just grossly exaggerated the level. >The USD has lost value of 90% in half a lifetime. And upward of 50% since 2020 It's 2-3% per year, stop exaggerating the numbers. >As the global reserve currency, that is pretty volatile if you ask me No, it's stable but inflationary that's not the same as volatile. >But when was bitcoin ever losing value forever? I understand that English isn't your first language but, this question makes no sense. > Point is btc hasn't failed as a store of value, in fact, quite the opposite, on average, which is better than fiat, feal estate, or securities. Tell that to anyone who bought it last year.

PermissionPlusFour

It's a big problem over at /r/defi. Same question "how to swap BTC to XMR with no KYC". Always random accounts that respond, and the question is edited to include those answers. A big tell is that these are usually old accounts that only posted in non-crypto subs, and stopped posting months ago. Suddenly the account because active again in crypto subs. Clearly just a bought account.

Bitter_Union3565

With $100, I’d keep it simple: mostly BTC and maybe a little ETH for exposure outside Bitcoin. Trying to chase tiny alts with such a small amount usually just ends in frustration. I mostly stick to spot and DCA, and for funds I’m not actively using I’ve looked into non custodial options (came across p2pstaking) so I’m not tempted to chase every hype. Patience beats reacting to every trend.

Realistic_Fee_00001

The reason ETH is its own chain is because BTC got hijacked and the devs refused to built anything useful on it. Take a look at BCHs Cashtokens. ETHs capability but with the scalability of a UTXO chain.

PropaneInMuhUrethra

Block reward is 3.12BTC + fees

Lazy_Environment3772

Yeah. Having 0.0000056 BTC is a good amount and doesnt mattet what is the price 😀

Katolo

>All bullish as of today, but gearing BTC will go down to 70 or 60K. so should I sell or not. Can you predict the future? If you know this to be absolutely true, then short everything. If you're just guessing, join the club cause no one else knows either.

Sea-Environment-5938

This is why “pro-crypto” politicians don’t automatically mean “number go up.” Markets price in narratives fast, and once the hype is fully priced, reality hits: liquidity dries up, leverage gets wiped, and alts get punished hardest. BTC being down 15% while alts are down 70–90% is basically the usual cycle: flight to quality. Curious what people think survives the next 12 months L1s, infra, or just BTC/ETH?

Senior_Economist_553

There is an easy Solution - QRL. Quantum Resistant Ledger. Compared to BTC and other major Altcoins, were most of you are not amongst the early ones, with QRL you are still very, very early now. And if not convinced own it at least as a hedge. Q-Day will be amazing for QRL holders, nothin to fear about Quantum anymore. Enjoy. 

khai0001

Do not marry any altcoins, 99% of them fade in value long term. Once you've profited from trading alts, rotate to BTC, stocks, or out of crypto.

Horror-Sector7498

For me, I usually put around 5–10% of take-home income into BTC each month—enough to build steadily without stressing the budget. DCA is really about consistency, not hitting huge percentages at once.

Crypto-Linh-0122

I feel like BTC will probably push past **150K** first, and then pull back a bit. This year and next year might be tough, so we’ll just have to hang in there.

Totodile386

I'm not that old. I remember when BTC was like $10,000 and that was beginning for me.

penty

Started in late 2012-early 2013. For reasons had to take a sabbatical late 2014. BTC has slowly transformed it over the years -> mini-retiremet -> Lean FiRE -> FIRE. I expect this cycle or the next to push me into Fat FIRE although the RE is getting less E as I get older. In the early days my tolerance and procrastination was just slightly bigger than the cycle .. it'd drop super low and I'd say "I guess it's done, I'll get everything set up to sell.".... But then that would be the turn around so I never did. NOW I just hold no matter what, I don't try to play the cycle or guess tips or bottoms. I expect the cycle so I don't freak out when it happens. Hold and WAGMI.

dmitryaus

As soon as you do this, the liquidation engine algorithm used by the big exchanges will mark you and eventually liquidate. You'll have also paid funding fees multiplied by your leverage. On a 2 BTC position that's fucking lot. Not worth it.

ObjectiveJackfruit35

"BTC is at $90k now. It’s hard to imagine it going down to $45k." This mentality right here is what you are "not seeing" $67k to $16k was a 75% drop that was also "hard to imagine." $90k to $45k is actually nothing when you take into consideration that if another 75% drop were to occur it would actually go down to $22k.

Every_Hunt_160

We can't get out of Daily Ramen until BTC hits 100k again

Most-Occasion-7925

BTC is at $90k now. It’s hard to imagine it going down to $45k. Even if it does, I can add margin and push the liquidation price much lower.. say to $10k (which feels very safe). 2021 was different. Many people were disbelievers back then. Right now everyone is in the game and knows Bitcoin’s value. I don’t think we’re going to see that kind of bear market ever again. With institutions and retailers involved, people will jump in to buy even if it drops to $60k.

AlphaDolby

You are being dishonest. The market is being held up by people trying to 100x. Without them you are sunk. We may be moving to a completely digital world, we may not. Even if we are BTC is by no means the guaranteed standard. It seems like you would almost need something like a central bank to enforce that.... WAAAAAIT A MINUTE! Isn't this where we started? :D When the moonshotters are gone, so is the whole market.

Spicyocto

Been stacking on and off since 2014. Had kids over the years. I stopped working in 2024 to become a stay at home day. BTC has given me freedom to spend my days how I want and I never have to work for someone else again. Keep stacking guys and gals

0xSOL

You would’ve been liquidated when it went from $67k to $16k. Imagine you’re holding 2 BTC, lose it all and in 10 years the price is $1 million. Just not worth it.

BossCatBrian

And sold 0.001 BTC at $125k

Dull-Assumption-964

I have a question if one individual holds a large some of BTC is this the correct time to sell and has held it since 2010, I'm asking a valid question.