BTC

shiny-iseult

I bought more ETH and BTC today instead of SPCX lol

IInsulince

Some places do already accept 0-confirmation payments, usually with the audit trail of a name, address, phone number to contact if you somehow get your transaction removed before confirmed, and also usually on lower priced items. For me though, I consider this confirmation time comparison to be measuring not how long it takes for the equivalent of a credit card payment to be approved, but more like how long it would take to do final settlement with something like gold. Good luck doing final settlement with gold in less than 26 minutes, especially if you want to be able to do it with anyone anywhere in the world. If you want even faster forms of settlement (but not final settlement), that’s what L2 and beyond is for. L1 settlement is analogous to gold settlement, compare BTC to gold settlement. L2 settlement is analogous to credit card settlement, compare lightning to a credit card payment.

SYNDK8D

And I have roughly 21M BTC

SN617

I taken one through a couple cycles. The single thing that matters most: your LTV and the margin call level. Know exactly what price BTC has to hit before they call you, and assume it will get tested, because volatility always shows up. Borrow way under the max. If a platform lets you go to 70 percent LTV, that does not mean you should. Lower starting LTV is your buffer against forced liquidation. Also read who actually holds your collateral and whether they rehypothecate it. Watch the rate too, some are fixed, some float. Done carefully it works fine. Done greedy it can wipe you out in a bad week.

hkeyplay16

Yeah, but would he have bought the BTC in the first place if he wasn't going to spend it? That's not a buy and hold crowd...it's a buy spend and..."shit do I still have a wallet with a fraction of a btc left on it after 10 years?"

hkeyplay16

I sold an entire bitcoin for $1,100 USD in 2017. I defi itely regret that. I used it for the down payment on a used pontoon. That was one hell of an expensive used pontoon. I sold the pontoon 3 years later for about $1000 less than I bought it for but I'll never get that BTC back.

Kitchen_Net_GME

Cold storage doesn’t make sense to me. I’m not knocking it. I just don’t understand. I can buy BTC with my brokerage account. It’s insured. Please enlighten me. Honestly. Isn’t cold storage essentially the same thing as holding cash in an envelope buried in a secret spot?

CyroSwitchBlade

It actually could be.. if BTC can hold up above 60k for a while longer a whole bunch of shorts are going to get liquidated sending it back up probably into the mid 70s

hkeyplay16

Buy the top 3-5, but not all at once. Heaviest (more than 50%) on BTC, then 25% on ETH, then a few others. DCA in and buy extra on the big dips. Take a little off the table during the big bull runs. Like if we get 20% or more past ATH, maybe start to DCA out and DCA back in again when when we're down 40% or more from the ATH. Do this for 10 years. Keep most of it safely off the exchanges and backed up in multiple places, but also encrypted.

insubordinate_kralc

I know people with 100% of their investments in BTC. I know people with 50%, I know people who won’t touch it. I’m not anywhere near 50% but that’s just me. Based on your conviction, you do you boo-boo.

Stock_Coconut1004

Scroll down to bottom of Bitcoin balance page and Check under Settings >> Display currency >> click the BTC button

InternationalRadio1

Wow, this is why you shouldn't. Alts? Now all of a sudden I'm a huge BTC believer??? Just go sit on the sidelines bud.

dj_destroyer

I've always regretted anytime I sold -- but that's just me. I'd have 5-10 BTC if I never sold and would be near retirement.

BabyNimps

You made this same post but with BTC last month back when “10k” was “half” your “savings”

Lord_Gudda

Should have just bought BTC. It has outperformed all alts across the board.

PacoCrazyfoot

I had a buddy that bought 300 BTC back when it was about $1 so he could buy molly on Silk Road (when that was a thing). I’m guessing he regrets that choice.

sigh_duck

60% BTC, 30% Solid Alts, 10% Speculation

Justinformation

Safest bet are still BTC (and ETH). My shill is TRAC. currently hovers around place 200 on market cap. It has been around since 2017 I believe. Its non-inflationary and capped at 500M tokens. They basically deal with interconnected data on their decentralized knowledge graph, but the technical stuff you can read up on yourself if interested https://origintrail.io/. In the coming weeks they should come out with V10, which will allow us to stake again. In previous versions rewards were up to 15%. Big opportunity is a client/partner-company of theirs which should be scaling up called [Umanitek](https://umanitek.ai/). Umanitek got some big name investors and [apparently already have celebrities](https://x.com/otnoderunner/status/2054976492916891803) in their client-list (This is from a video). They're working on expanding worldwide. That should bring more usage and value/rewards. Those should be happening 'soon', but you may remember what 'soon' means in the cryptospace. Ok that was my best shill attempt, thanks for listening.

Puzzleheaded-Pool-71

Nah wait longer people and buy BTC lower than it is now. Really can’t understand all these Bitcoin Bangers who will literally buy bitcoins no matter wtf is going on — and then try to pass this off as some momentous strategy/deep wisdom. If you know about the cycles, then you should be waiting for the real bottom. Cuz it ain’t here yet buckaroos.

TheCurlyHomeCook

Which is exactly whst leads them to think 10k is worth more. Because they don't know that BTC is worth more.

FigmaWallSt

Sure but thats like asking do want 10000$ or 1 Berkshire Hathaway A Share. If you ask random people on the street, they’ll take the 10k, if you ask on a stock subreddit, people will take the berkshire share. A more interesting question in my opinion is whether people would like 1 BTC or 63.700$ (thats what 1 BTC is worth right now). To be fair I assume most would take the cash because they need it to pay their expenses rather than having some invested in a fluctuating asset like BTC with the risk of having less money if you need to liquidate in the next few months to pay medical bills etc.

Warm_Collection_3993

When to sell more for the Anthropic IPO. Thx BTC for the funds for SoaceX today.

_RonPaulWasRight_

I really is the other way around - true bottoms form when no one wants to sell. When all the selling has been done and no one else wants to unload any more BTC. Then, you have a bottom. Only then.

TheCurlyHomeCook

I think the reason your point is lost, is that if the dates aren't accurste then this basically says: "Here are all the price levels BTC has hit at some point disconnected to the dates. Also, here are some bigger prices it hasn't hit that aren't connected to dates. Let that sink in" It's akin to highlighting a bunch of past dates and stating that humans existed on these dates, and then some random future dates and using the fact that we existed in 1990, 2000, 2010 so we must also humans survive to 2090 or 3540. No connection.

Electronic-Rate5497

Doesn’t SpaceX have a large chunk BTC?

Capital_High_84

The key here is **belief**. Is there too much belief, or are the fundamentals truly that strong? Michael Saylor became the evangelist of Bitcoin, using historical parallels and powerful allegories to argue that BTC is the GOAT of all assets throughout history. His conviction inspired many, but now, seeing how the mighty have fallen, it's incredible to witness. Perhaps this serves as a reminder that no narrative, no matter how compelling, is immune to reality. The question remains: was it excessive faith, or are the fundamentals still stronger than the current sentiment suggests?

FigmaWallSt

They don’t think that 10k is worth more than 1BTC. They probably just don’t know how much 1BTC is worth right now

BookOfKingsOfKings

I am DCAing BTC and one alt, XLM, for now. I want to look to diversifying past crypto but got no idea where to start (ETFs, stocks mutual funds etc) one thing I sure won’t be buying is SPCX. 

Lacklusterlandon

Nobody gives a shit about BTC anymore it’s had a long time and literally has nothing to show for it

Xennenial

The AI stocks are very overvalued. This will probably lead to a very big market correction before anything else gets moving. It's possible that if the Clarity Act passes, it could kickstart some bullish sentiment. Hard to tell how that would play out though. The average person believes it's still 2009 and BTC has no other purpose besides buying drugs on Silk Road, that sentiment has to change.

RemoteSize1397

All the banks are underwriting loans based on BTC 10-40% per year over the next 10 years. But most people are too stupid to connect the dots.

ledgerthrowaway12345

The only time I ever sold bitcoin was at $12k in 2019. I sold 0.2 BTC. Yes, I regret it.

Be_Me_Anon_irl

Less likely to not be given 10k than BTC

DrEtatstician

Unlike stocks , BTC value is driven by supply - Demand and if 1 person is willing to pay more he price increases !! High risk high reward play

OrangePillar

It’s sats, 0.00000001 BTC.

canadas

Yes but I keep it general, not I own x BTC.

DrProfresher

Disregarding if those funds where accumulated nefariously or not; Monero showcased its purpose and this is also another reason not to use USDT (or any other freezable crypto). A centralized actor having the power to freeze wealth is exactly the problem BTC was meant to solve.

MrKillerKiller_

Buy us out? Huh? It’s a trade in a tiny market cap asset in the sketchiest asset class in the history of markets. Huge pullbacks are gonna be a thing for at least the next decade for BTC

No-Conference5664

BTC remains the only safe bet long-term. Most alts bleed against it forever. ETH has real risks from AI audits and quantum threats. Stick to native Segwit BTC, no address reuse. That’s your edge. The rest is gambling.

No-Conference5664

Crypto is bleeding, but it's not over. BTC near $60k support hold or drop to $50k. ETH under $2k looks weak. Alts are dying, but good projects survive. This is a normal cycle crash, not the end. Stop panicking. Don't overleverage. DCA slowly. Keep cash ready. Wait for real bounce above $67k. You've seen this before.

FitCompetition1804

Told my mother in law, who was nice enough to store one of my Shamir backups that I’m getting into BTC this year. She asked, “isn’t it down?” My response was “exactly”.

Maximum-Cover-786

Set rules: If BTC drops to this level I buy x amount of it. If it drops further I buy another x amount of it. If it crashes to its absolute bottom I double down.

Over-Winter-3668

Bruh… Does that mean I’m in the 1%? I’ve got .13 BTC.

Nice-Worldliness9254

I lost 10 BTC from 2014 myself. Back then wallets didn’t use seed phrases like today — you had a wallet file sitting somewhere on a hard drive. I went through years of trying to recover it and never managed to. So honestly, your story didn’t impress me that much considering what some of us already lived through in the early Bitcoin days.

HoldMyCrackPipe

People will buy and hold BTC then wonder why it doesn’t have adoption as a currency…. Why would you buy anything with your bitcoin if you very truly believed it would be worth more tomorrow…

JunkBondJunkie

My dad does and he told me BTC was stupid when I was mining it.

FKNLE63ND

Cold storage : Coldcard Q Seed storage: Crypto Tag Zeus (titanium plates) Watch a few videos from BTC sessions (on YouTube) for the Coldcard Q setup They just need to have access to the seed phrase and they’ll be fine. Good move! They’ll be happy in the future 😎

usa_reddit

It's not that bad, it's only down 30% YTD. Just keep holding, it will go up when everyone realizes how amazing BTC really is. Do not sell, diamond hands all the wall to $100K. Over the past 5-days BTC is up almost .34% which is a positive side, some might say statistical noise and trading sideways, but I say positive sign.

IndustrialPuppetTwo

This isn't the end—it's the start of the next cycle. I'm talking about BTC. One of the most interesting on-chain indicators is Bitcoin's Supply in Profit vs. Supply in Loss. Supply in Profit measures the percentage of coins whose current price is above their last on-chain purchase price, while Supply in Loss measures the percentage of coins currently underwater. When these two lines converge and cross, it means that more than half of Bitcoin's circulating supply is sitting at an unrealized loss. Historically, these periods have coincided with major bear-market bottoms and some of the best long-term accumulation opportunities. The crossover has now occurred again. In previous cycles, similar signals appeared around the major lows of 2011, 2015, 2019, 2020, and 2022. While no indicator is perfect and history never repeats exactly, this has consistently been one of the strongest on-chain signs that the market is entering a late-stage capitulation phase rather than the beginning of a new downtrend. If history rhymes, the next few months could look a lot more like accumulation than collapse. It has not failed yet. Of course it could but it has not so far. Now is an excellent time to DCA and perhaps in a month or two ape in a bit. Don't throw any money into BTC that you need to feed yourself or pay your rent.

BakedGoods

lol so many bad takes. he sold the equivalent of $10 bucks of bitcoin to us plebs. he also told everyone he was going to do it on the last earnings call. the s&p500 inclusion and ratings agencies clearly stated they won't count Strategy's BTC as an asset unless they prove they're willing to sell it. so he sold $10 worth to prove he could and a week later bought 100x that amount. not rocket science guys.

__redruM

It likely is, but stop at 10-20%, put the rest in index funds. If you don’t have a brokerage account, open one, and: - 15% BTC - 25% QQQ - 60% VOO

Blackiris-Code

I'd rather use a piece of paper as cold storage tbh. A written seed phrase can be broken into pieces (with numbers for order) to increase security, duplicated if needed, wedged inside books, moved digitally... Unless your kids want to use DeFi, there isn't much to do with BTC, beside holding it in the hope that its value goes up. (It will very likely go up from today's value, at some point.)

Beginning-Tax-8473

All of crypto is a fkn joke!! Worthless and seems like every crypto we thought would be legit was just a fkn rug pull. Even BTC is a shitcoin , ETH is useless, SOL is worthless, XrP dont even get me started on how big of a fuckery xrp is..  The whole market, stocks and crypto is rigged and completely market manipulation.. The 9 families that created the Central Banking system are at war with anyone or anything that could make one $$ or self reliant.

Parraddiddle

I just did!.. I took out a BTC backed loan on Coinbase with 3 BTC as collateral then bought 1 BTC on another exchange and transferred the 1 BTC back to Coinbase and now have 4 BTC as collateral for a $60,000 loan, the terms are to pay back whenever and there is no minimum payments, so ideally I could wait for let’s hypothetically say $200,000 BTC and pay back in full plus interest on the original $60,000 loan. The risk is that BTC goes below around $18,000 and I would be liquidated. This is worst case scenario and I don’t think we will get close. I will also be transferring around $20,000 to Coinbase for a safety net in the event we get close to the liquidation point, in this case I can either pay down the loan or just add more collateral by buying more BTC at a lower price. I’m not suggesting anyone do this, it’s just what I am doing.

Leithm

Since you left,  Saylor  has leveraged his balance sheet against Bitcoin bought 50bln of BTC with 60 Bln of borrowed money and people are trying to work out how the gap  will be filled.  Eth cannot  scale and Solana started eating it’s lunch now Hype is eating Sol’s lunch and none of them look much like what Satoshi invented. Ask yourself if you care about… Proof of work vs Proof of  stake, decentralisation, what crypto is for.

Ge_Yo

I was referring to things like native BTC staking, using BTC as collateral, and the infrastructure emerging around those models. Not saying they'll be the main driver, but they could contribute over time.

TenderLA

So are you actually pricing it in Bitcoin or will you change the BTC amount as the USD value changes?

Retire_date_may_22

I said Crypto keeps printing. There’s little barrier to a new coin. If you can’t read you probably don’t understand crypto. As for BTC. You don’t even know who owns most of it.

Arboga_10_2

I personally would not go over 5%. BTC could to a million or to 0. Don't invest more than you could stand to lose completely overnight.

Much-Log-187

The news are terrible but BTC is still 60k+, which surprises me. I think it will drop between 40-50k from October. Many people lost money with crypto, they are tired of praying for their token to pump, which is way too risky and random. They discovered ETF, semiconductors compagnie, AI, which rely on something in the real world, which is adopted contrary to defi... In less than one year AI has been adopted wildly. At the opposit, more than 10 years of cryptocurrencies have only raise scams, suspicions, sophisticated ponzi schemes and next to no adoption. Altcoins are too diluted. It is too easy to create a new crypto. Blockchains are mostly hype trains but after some time still 0 real usecase. People still believe on BTC as a mean to protect over inflation, monkey money, but as it is also highly centralized and manipulated and its performance are decreasing and decreasing, people will prefer ETFs or stock picking.

FranklinCook

I dont see a reason to go into anything crypto related except BTC and maybe top 3 alts. If i want more of a short term gamble i rather buy a stock/Tech sector ETF etc. Obviously some selected alts will do well but its so hard to get the right ones now with the sheer amount of projects/coins available…

Chemfreak

Just factually wrong. If I buy 100 BTC, and 100 people sell 1 BTC, there is 100x more sellers than buyers but supply and demand mechanics hold. I'm so confused how confident you are when it's clearly wrong.

JustStopppingBye

According to crypto twitter lol A 32 BTC sale is tiny relative to btcs daily trading volume.

thistimelineisweird

If they went IPO just to access money to buy BTC, I've got an exploding rocket to sell you.

Patient-Ordinary-359

The same way Not at all the same. Not remotely the same. Fundamentals eventually matter because earnings exist. Your BTC or any crypto give you no claim on any income. Some defi tokens do, then it's more valid valid. But show me how to value any crypto without resorting to scarcity and network effects, which is no better than horoscopes.

jawni

you want to know what a BTC address would give access to? bro i'm not answering your dumbass questions anymore, go find an LLM or if you want me to keep entertaining whatever it is you're doing, you can send me some of the crypto that you seem to think is worthless but I'm not wasting my time with this for free anymore.

SamQuentin

Do BTC. What resources does that ledger entry give someone access to

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BrutalistGoogie

Because I'm agnostic about crypto. Believe it or not I bought in the $300s and paid my kids' tuition. But I don't believe in the BTC thesis; I only saw an opportunity to arbitrage irrationality.

Billkr

If I needed to wash some coins I would send my coins on-chain to my Phoenix wallet. I use this wallet for trivial spending cash. It supports Bitcoin and Lightning without having to run your own lightning node. Then I would go to [boltz.exchange/swap](http://boltz.exchange/swap) and create a swap from lightning network to my 'clean wallet' bitcoin address. That will create a lightning invoice that you can pay with Phoenix wallet through the lightning network. This will cost you BTC transfer fees as well as the boltz transfer fees. You have now moved BTC through lightning without having to have any lightning knowledge or node. This is not the most efficient. It is the easiest way without doing coinjoin with wasabi wallet.

TheresNoSecondBest

>* **BISQ -** looked like a good fit but I had to fund my account I believe to post an offer so stopped there. If you don't have or want to load some sats in, look up BISQ2. >I finally was able to connect to their site using TOR but didn't see how to actually buy BTC If you've managed that far, try a bit harder. This video might help https://youtu.be/52snf3x2KKA >* **HodlHodl** \- Nothing in person / cash Make your own cash/in person offer. >* **Vexl** \- Nothing in the US. I downloaded the app even and nothing. Yeah, Vexl is quite new and Europe oriented BUT it's an open source software that is crossing the continents. The dashboard shows 60k connections in Canada, I don't believe there's not a single connection in the US. Again, just make your own offer and see if someone comes back to you. It's connecting ONLY with people in your contacts, plus people in their contacts if you set it up. Hope that helps.

BigDiperEruption

I'm also currently at the BTC Prague. Lot of mining services but haven't talked to any of them yet. Have you seen any service that is innovative? I run about 240TH solo on CK-Pool.

stereoagnostic

The more price goes down against dollars, the more Bitcoin you get. You literally get double the amount of BTC now compared to buying at all time high. Setting automatic buys is a good way to go because it just takes all emotion out of the equation. Then just set some limit orders for any brief deep dips if you want to make some bigger buys at steep discounts.

Rocko210

Because it will dump even harder for the next 3 months, then you can buy BTC

rizzlejee

I also have fewer than 3 BTC

radiationholder

its not there yet. in the coming years, ETH, HBAR, XMR, and BTC are different types of coins that do very different things. Right now even though these are, technology wise, very different coins, pricewise they are very correlated in that they are generally following BTC. The bear market is determined by BTC. The bull market you can have different performance levels for all alts, even different performance levels (but all bad) during the bear market as well.

kageiii

Yep. Now BTC only

Turbulent-Land-5664

Ive seen the cycles and lived the exhilaration of surges and the deflating feeling of the crashes, and I know these cycles and I expect them - but I dont pretend to understand them or predict them - so I also do not trade. I simply am happy to focus on how much BTC I have and I look at that potential - knowing that fiat number last ATH gives me home, I know it will be more next time. But I am aoso getting too old for this - quite frankly I am living quite lean and ready to retire and wish I had some money giving me income, and soon I will need to exit some of my BTC or come up with a strategy for realizing some of this asset without all the angst of timing it all right. Thats a really weird thing about money - the more you have the more you have to worry about. How Ironic.

indomitus1

1 BTC=1 BTC Few understand this.

Ok_Freedom3290

The SpaceX IPO will have massive hype, but the real alpha is in Bitcoin's post-halving structural accumulation. I track spot vs perp Cumulative Volume Delta (CVD) and institutional flows on a dashboard I built ([https://alphasignal.digital](https://alphasignal.digital/)). While retail gets distracted by the IPO, smart money is accumulating BTC spot.

Turbulent-Land-5664

I wish they didnt - I have told them before to buy some, and that was even when it was lower than it is now. They will say things like Oh bitcoin is down - even when it was near the ATH - they dont understand it - or the cycles - or the fact its not money made or lost till you exit - and the comittment to HODL. They will be secretly gloating right now about how low its went - with no clue about how far ahead I still am from my DCA from my grand entry early 2018. My brother is particularly annoying, because he's a stock broker - he doesnt like BTC - he has had some of his clients who moved their money management to their children and those kids think he's a dinosaur and they are in crypto. Its a threat to the establishment old guard - I get it. So he says crypto all the time - I dont deal in crypto, I only deal in BTC - anyhow he say I think it will go to zero. Hw eould be right smug if it did even it it wiped me out totally. But if it goes where we all believe it will, it can be undeniable to them that we made a good decision - but even then they will say - well - you got lucky - that was risky - glad it worked out. haha. FML - I wont talk to them anymore about it.

Fast-Ice7537

Any other suggestions, I' will post there, I'm always open to feedback Although I wouldn't want to post in a sub where people aren't properly educated in BTC, some people pretend that they know BTC because they heard its a scam or unstable or whatever and think they solved btc

SunixKO

Wow, that's nice of you. You don't need to give a number, seems like you are hoping for my success; I hope for your success also. I don't really see why you feel the need to go shitting on bitcoin pretending you don't understand it and acting like a low IQ troll. If you don't like BTC, just leave it be. I'll be here forever, and I won't feel the need to dunk on you when bitcoin goes up again

oec

Exactly. It’s always, “Why are you selling on a dip?” Like bro, some of us have been holding since this thing was basically a sperm cell. LOL People get in, hold a couple BTC for two years and think they’re so holy here.

JEI2E

Idiots who don't know what they're doing. Of course they don't own a whole lot of Bitcoin, but the sheer amount of suckers with only $50 in BTC, who are now panicking because of all of the fud in the media (and on places like Reddit) is just through the roof. Either that or they genuinely believe that we'll hit 30k by October, because their favourite YouTuber said it.

Aggressive_Notice313

It's already a good time to start DCAing. 1 BTC = 1 BTC. In the end, it all comes down to your patience and your ability to control your emotions through the ups and downs.

bobbyvlx

I haven’t looked at BTC since it was high. The messages are very depressing.

No-Rain-6115

Monero is doing great, I bought when it started to crash because of bitcoin and just made a killing when it popped back up. There is a clear market for good privacy, BTC just doesn’t accomplish much

polymath_uk

On what platform can you trade CFDs on BTC? I've traded metals and oil before using derivatives, just never seen derivative trading for crypto before - I've always traded the underlying asset.

cowboy_shaman

The problem is that nearly everything is crypto is heavily dependent on Bitcoin. If BTC rises, alts usually pump higher. If it falls, alts crash even more. This is why buying more coins is more like buying a lottery ticket than truly diversifying. Actual diversification needs uncorrelated assets to reduce risk. The best example is investing in stocks, bonds, real estate, AND crypto. That’s diversification. Within the stock market, you can diversify tech stocks by buying defense or energy stocks for example. This is diversifying with different sectors

Select_Aide_6548

My fault for not doing this, but when I make these posts I should indicate I'm in the US -- since a lot of the suggestions (Vexl, Peach) must assume you're outside of the US. Hell Peach won't even load if you're in the US. You have to use a VPN. Then when you do, and you try to order, you see the locations are all in EU and Africa. But yeah, I tried all of those without much success. * **BISQ -** looked like a good fit but I had to fund my account I believe to post an offer so stopped there. Might get it another shot. * **RoboSata** \- never could get it to work. I mean even if you google it you don't see the site, just a github link, a site that has a directory of KYC free sites, and some other links. I remember needing to get an onion browser. I finally was able to connect to their site using TOR but didn't see how to actually buy BTC. Fully willing to admit it could be user error, but it sure wasn't a simple process * **HodlHodl** \- Nothing in person / cash * **Vexl** \- Nothing in the US. I downloaded the app even and nothing. Here is their site showing top countries. US isn't on there at all. [https://dashboard.vexl.it/](https://dashboard.vexl.it/) * **PeachBitcoin** \- won't even load if you're in the US (dumb). You can view the site using a VPN but it's clear when looking at their site there are no US locations/users. I might give BISQ another shot. The reason I liked LCW is it seemed to be a bulletin board of sorts where you can make a profile, say what you were buying/selling, and if someone wanted to do a deal, they'd reach out and you'd make it happen. That seemed to be the best fit for an in-person cash transaction. I'd be willing to do a deal via mail but not with a stranger where I'm sending first -- even if an escrow. However if I'm buying I'd be happy to mail cash once I got it. The problem becomes trust. I used to use LocalBitcoins all the time back in the day (2013). Still crazy to think that 13 years ago, when most people never heard of bitcoin, it was easier to buy/sell in person and easier to acquire (in non KYC way). BTC feels 'captured' now in comparison.

Blackiris-Code

I also have shorts. I'm sure that 60k is going to be tested again. But I'd rather bet BTC is not going under 58k, at least not this month.

Fast-Ice7537

I think string of codes is a oversimplification, but yes I will be doing that. Atleast BTC delivers

LibertyWithLiquidity

He's very bearish, that should be another indicator for you. Every single time we saw such pessimism among the sheeple, BTC ripped higher not long after.

SunixKO

Like if you were here for any other reason than trolling, you'd spend 3 minutes to read about BTC and learn how you can manage it by yourself or leave it in the hands of a bank or anyone else. The "gameboy" is for a person choosing to have 100% control over his own bitcoin, and with the device he can still create and send bitcoin without ever putting his seed phrase(his "password" for the bitcoin he has) into an device that is connected to the Internet. Enjoy your trolling, though here's an reply if anyone else was actually wondering what the device is for.

bitcornmaxi21

My buddy had BTC on voyager and he would say the same thing. “It’s insured” or “they’re a public company, they’ll be safe”. It didn’t play out well for him… turns out no Bitcoin is FDIC insured. Voyager was lying.

Aerocryptic

Sure nothing can happen anymore. And let's forget about the fact that most of BTC's trading volume happens on the ETFs or that protocols like Hyperliquid are eating CEX"s market share. So comfy

ColegDropOut

What is the inflation rate of the global fiat system? This will be the minimum growth rate of BTC imo.

Known-Application106

This is the kind of thing that actually makes the case better than any BTC price chart alone. Seeing everyday stuff like a gallon of milk or a loaf of bread priced in sats from 2009 to now hits different. Nice work putting the data together.

Gr1009

Because this is the middle of a crypto winter. Because there are three giant IPOs coming (first is today) where the money will flow, causing BTC to fall further. Because Saylor admitted the Ponzi scheme yesterday when he said YOU should never sell, but my company should. You won't listen to this, but you did ask the question.