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Secret_Operative

I yelled at an LLM and it made me a one-page file that gets the btc price from coingecko. Now I have that locally open in a tab. This stuff is so easy now I'm not sure anyone needs a third-party to make another website.

Lazy-Effect4222

AI yes, LLM no.

Manakio2k

You start by doing your own research. Asking Google or any LLM questions that are pertinent to the material you are curious about. What you don’t want to do is stand in the middle of the room and announce your ignorance unless you are certain you can tell the sheep from the wolves. Chances are, the quickest to reply are also the ones you should not be listening to. Good luck on your journey. Trust no one…

BoringPrinciple2542

The fact that you had to use an LLM to write your response 😂. Try again when you understand the topic and are able to provide an actual response instead of blindly regurgitating the outputs of a chatbot.

HedgeHog2k

Let's take a realistic example. Mom & dad 30yo with 1.5mil in their account and kids around 5 years old following the 4% rule (and that's only 60.000$ which is NOT enough for a family of 4, so the results will even be worse in reality) LLM response: **No, following a strict 4% rule over a 60-year retirement horizon gives this family only about a 68% chance of financial survival.** While the famous **4% rule** (the Trinity Study) is highly reliable for a standard 30-year retirement, it introduces a dangerous level of risk when stretched across **60 years** (from age 30 to 90). Over such a long period, **Sequence of Returns Risk** and prolonged exposure to market volatility significantly increase the probability of running completely out of money. 📊 60-Year Portfolio Simulation Results Using a Monte Carlo model based on a standard, long-term aggressive portfolio (80% stocks / 20% bonds) with an initial **$1,500,000 balance** and a fixed annual withdrawal of **$60,000** (adjusted upward for inflation each year): * **The Success Case (68% Probability):** If the market performs at or above its historical median, the portfolio will actually grow over time. By Year 60, the median path leaves the family with roughly **$3.4 million** in inflation-adjusted wealth. * **The Failure Case (32% Probability):** If the family experiences a severe market downturn in their first decade of retirement, the portfolio enters a death spiral. In the bottom 10% of market scenarios, the money is completely depleted by **Year 31** (when the parents are only 61 and the kids are 35). ⚠️ Hidden Costs & Vulnerabilities for a Young Family 1. **The 30-Year Blindspot:** The 4% rule was never tested for 60 years. Doubling the duration means the portfolio must survive multiple severe structural recessions, prolonged bear markets, and high-inflation cycles. 2. **Childhood & Education Costs:** The kids are currently 5. Over the next 15 years, expenses will drastically scale up (extracurriculars, cars, insurance, and **college tuition**). A static $60,000 inflation-adjusted budget does not naturally adapt to these lifestyle shifts. 3. **Healthcare Infrastructure:** Retiring at 30 means 35 years of purchasing **private health insurance** before becoming eligible for Medicare at age 65. Healthcare inflation historically outpaces regular CPI inflation.

mohsenjfar

If you are building an automated pipeline to parse crypto sentiment from threads like this and send execution signals via self-hosted automation platforms, avoid passing raw unparsed text directly into your LLM agent nodes. Unfiltered user comments often contain prompt injection attacks designed to hijack the agent system prompt and trigger unauthorized API calls or trades. To secure this setup on your home server, insert a deterministic validation step between the Reddit trigger node and your AI agent node. Use an execution node running a localized regex script to strip out common prompt injection vectors, markdown links, and system override commands before the text hits the model context. Furthermore, restrict your AI agent tool nodes to read-only access. Force any trade execution or external webhooks to go through an explicit human-in-the-loop approval node. Setting the agent node memory buffer to operate within an isolated execution environment using temporary volume mounts prevents persistent prompt injection payloads from poisoning subsequent execution cycles across your workflows.

Big-Repeat-22

So what are you trying to say? Hahaha! To make a point actually about Bitcoin, I think it's a no brainer investment. The forecast of Bitcoin, from all kinds of sources on the clearnet and dark web mainly the tremendous access to the internet's data and awesome number crunching power of neural networks, LLM's and super computers is expected to reach $250,000 by 2036. Since Bitcoin is digital currency it creates a pattern more predictable than less math based models like the weather. If one realized it, there shouldn't be any guessing of the futures of cryptocurrency. It already exists in the rigid structure of math so it should be quite easy for a machine to map and predict.

Shimster

Won’t be life changing, everyone is getting their coins stolen. Especially with all the emergence of LLM’s and quantum computers fucking everting up.

TheGoob96

I've asked this of my personal LLM before and it protests that AI server racks are not a particularly efficient way to mine BTC -- but it might just be arguing for its own survival.

xaviemb

A simple conversation with an LLM can tell you exactly what command to run in your terminal to find the information you’re looking for. One important rule: **never put your actual private keys (or even your own public address) into an LLM**. Instead, ask it to use a placeholder like \[generic address\], then substitute your own address locally when you run the command. On that note, you should NEVER type your private key or key words ever on a keyboard (unless you're spending BTC). Even if you think you're local and protected. You can pull your transactions, or all of your UTXOs (your individual BTC amounts), directly from your node. Your node maintains a highly efficient UTXO set in memory, so these lookups can be almost instantaneous. I can’t stress this enough: keep your keys and personal addresses out of the LLM. Let the LLM teach you the command, then run it yourself against your own node. Treat it as a learning experience. Once you realize how much you can inspect and verify for yourself, it’s incredibly liberating.

TheVeloRebel

I would defo start with the gateway drug of BTC LOL BUT Having said that, if you're new, you haven't made your choices yet, old projects are evolving, new projects are evolving. I'd suggest looking into other narratives like Institutional connections, RWA (Real World Assets), Quantum Resistant projects and the other narratives like "Crypto Agility" that align with blockchains that are able to adapt over time to new protocols. Most Blockchains arent very flexible and need generations to change to the new threats, this will be a future issue IMO. Be careful with most crypto and spread risk. Perhaps try LLM's to search for these narratives to get a rather simplistic and sterile answer that's not too emotional? Look for common knowledge bytes/answers of information. Ask them to list top 5 etc and do the research. Be carfeful out there. It's very easy to be swayed by slick talkers who own projects and influencers looking for liquidity lol I own a few from the narrative of Crypto Agility, some from RWA and a few of the main staples like BTC and Eth. Learn about the tech and their history. Visit their socials and Reddits.

na3than

"I rarely put my own thoughts in quotation marks, because when I do, it makes people wonder whether I'm able to think for myself or only able to copy-paste an LLM response."

IMSWHALE

Wild how you used the LLM to write out your post because you couldn’t be bothered enough to spend time typing something yourself. That or you lack the skills to do so. I’m also guessing that when using “ai” you consistently prompted things like “what am I missing in my analysis? Give me a list of economic factors to take into consideration.” Then your “AI” used basic google searching methods to put together how economics work on the surface level. Including “long liquidations,” short liquidations,” “rates,” “VIX” and so on. You have absolutely no clue what is occurring in the market. All these things that you mentioned are what are visible to you with public information. The reality is the market behaves like “Wyckoff’s Composite Man” for a reason. And in the end it is because it is a casino. Your “analysis” using a LLM is inherently flawed, not for the sole reason of using an LLM, but because it is trained on Macro, and you are applying a macro analysis rather than the Micro analysis of the reality of the world. The market is purely psychological using the excuse of macro elements to hide. Clankers aren’t able to parse psychology.

-Resident-One-

Respectfully Alice, stfu. A couple of prompts into an LLM isn't research, it's a lower and lazier form of Googling. This is all pathetic, self-agrandizing theater. Your defensive histrionics throughout this thread are cringe af

T_sauce9112

Which is exactly what I do. Even if u do that, people with <1 brain cell will scream unoriginal becuz ur use AI tools. To me that's crazy becuz they can't prompt an LLM to duplicate my analysis without using my analysis 😒. So obviously there's substance there if it can't be replicated by asking it something simple as "what's going with BTc right now"

flossanotherday

A billion is not 10 million. The permutations of actions needed grow as do the aggregate sizes of btc exchanges of those actions to other crypto coins, overtime laws and and analytics precision change, so unless you are following a strict protocol that appears to be random statistically in a long time span, small amounts, cross coin swaps, time between transactions that current analytic and AI-LLM platforms say are inconclusive, because of a large spread of possibilities that mathematically at each point in time are truly random, you are increasing your foot print of tell-tale signs where that distribution from that single wallet is going. To understand if you are random enough you would be running your own node analysis.

TheVeloRebel

'Crypto Agility' is the narrative that will coincide with Quantum application and upgrades. Are the blockchains even compatible with turning quantum-resistant? When you use LLM's to research Crypto Agility, the chains mentioned are very few. The ability to install new ways of working without having to hardfork, or built only with Quantum in mind from the start is the only way forward IMO If you have to hard fork too early and choose the wrong Quantum algo, will chains suffer huge losses of TVL before they can choose the right algo to switch too? It is interesting, and to some point, an uncertain future.

IMSWHALE

The dumbass just made an LLM image based off a post from someone else yesterday and is pretending they had an original idea

pezdal

I understand. Throwing more of the same wallets at the (non-existent) problem is not the solution. If there was an entropy problem with one wallet it would exist on all the ones generated the same way. A a storage system that is too complicated will introduce new, different problems. I think you you need to 1) relax 2) learn 3) develop a good reasonable plan, perhaps by having discussions with a good LLM, and 4) calmly execute your plan in a systematic way.

OkLaw1527

either you completly adopted talking like a LLM or this is actually just LLM text

na3than

Which LLM did you use to write this post for you?

jawni

You should ask an LLM to parse your comments and all the replies to them, without leading it at all and then see if it thinks you're making sense. I mean, the AI has no dog in this race so it is impartial, can accurately understand what we're talking about and reference relevant data, so it should be a good arbiter, right? Here is one example: https://share.gemini.google/m2051u2Fnsyr Notable excerpt: >Which side is making the more salient argument? >The critics (those arguing against ubermensch1001) are making the significantly more salient, rigorous, and financially sound argument. >While ubermensch1001 relies heavily on speculative narrative assumptions, their opponents ground their position in fundamental financial principles and concrete market data. Another notable excerpt: >The Summary >ubermensch1001 is making a purely speculative, macro-gambling argument: "If the entire market pumps, this beaten-down asset will pump too." While that can happen during extreme market euphoria, it is an strategy built on luck rather than value. >The opponents are making an analytical, fundamentals-driven argument: Cardano lacks the developer velocity, liquidity, user activity, and architectural advantages necessary to outpace its peers. From an investment and engineering standpoint, their critiques are far more salient. Now, think long and hard about exactly how you're going to cope with this before you reply.

jawni

god damn, if you actually think I needed ChatGPT to write that or that any of that sounds like typically LLM generated text, then it's no wonder you're still bullish on Cardano. Ultimately it doesn't even matter, I could've written it, you could've written it, ChatGPT could've written it, it's still true and you're still making excuses in order to not ackowledge it. Some things never change with you guys, except the dollar value of your investments dropping.

jimmytug

Good question to as free AI LLM. The answer is NOT practical now for any destination. That's pretty obvious yea? Maybe in the future if stable coins or a fast transaction layer 1 or layer 2 chain has widespread adoption competing with Visa or Mastercard.

xaviemb

Calling something that you can't follow LLM generated is icing on the cake. It's like a five-year old throwing insults at a physicist who is trying to help him understand general relativity. Sometimes you just move on... Enjoy your sandbox kid.

PatientReasonable348

The only thing I'm noticing is an excessive amount of emdashes in the title and post body. I simply refuse to debate this subject with an LLM, sorry.

Objective_Basil_8414

Careful with this method - an LLM summarising a project's own docs isn't a privacy analysis, it's the marketing claims with a neutral tone applied. Two things it glosses over. First, a shielded pool only gives you a large anonymity set if people actually use it; a new chain with low shielded volume can be worse in practice than 16-decoy rings with years of churn behind them. Second, "the chain shows nothing" assumes the implementation is correct, and the real risk with a young Halo2 fork is bugs and trust assumptions, not the math on paper. Things I'd look at instead: independent audits, how many transactions per day are actually shielded, and whether IP-level metadata is handled at all. If any of those are missing, the comparison stays theoretical.

tgarp_

basically in our case, just to give you a gist here’s what we do whenever we analyzing a system: 1. ⁠Gather full context : assumptions, docs, comments, workaround, callgraphs etc. 2. ⁠Create invariants 3. ⁠Build hypothesis around them 4. ⁠Have a RAG base with db of attack vectors, advisories, and other materials 5. ⁠Scanning specialized agents based on active reasoning and iterating in the context for edge cases 6. ⁠Check pattern based attack 7. ⁠Check reasoning/LLM based attack 8. ⁠Write submissions and the audit report 9. ⁠Deduplicating the submissions 10. ⁠Triaging with full information and context 11. ⁠For critical/high do PoC on local code by calling those function for verification Once all this is done, our triagers validate the finding and then we submit it. the standard model function like engine but better specification, and the focus areas is what makes it differ and go deep into exploits which standard model miss!

tgarp_

basically in our case, just to give you a gist here’s what we do whenever we analyzing a system: 1. Gather full context : assumptions, docs, comments, workaround, callgraphs etc. 2. Create invariants 3. Build hypothesis around them 4. Have a RAG base with db of attack vectors, advisories, and other materials 5. Scanning specialized agents based on active reasoning and iterating in the context for edge cases 6. Check pattern based attack 7. Check reasoning/LLM based attack 8. Write submissions and the audit report 9. Deduplicating the submissions 9. Triaging with full information and context 10. For critical/high do PoC on local code by calling those function for verification Once all this is done, our triagers validate the finding and then we submit it. the standard model function like engine but better specification, and the focus areas is what makes it differ and go deep into exploits which standard model miss!

Generationhodl

there are a lot of videos on youtube about it that explain it better than I can. its basically a price-model that works based on network-attributes / laws in physics and maths. If you look at the bitcoin price on a log-log X-Y scale, you see its mostly a straight line with some small variants. When you have many datapoints and you get a straight line on a log-log plot, chances are good that its a power-law. there are a lot of different power-laws in nature and they all follow specific patterns and nature laws. here you have a graph: [https://charts.bitbo.io/long-term-power-law/](https://charts.bitbo.io/long-term-power-law/) its plotted as log-log and you see that its basically a straight line. IF you want a scientific paper , you can even put it into some LLM and let it explain to you: [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S3050517826000675](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S3050517826000675)

zoppytops

Hey “bro”…you can’t spell, use proper grammar, or write in complete sentences without the help of an LLM

Suspicious-Can-7079

lol bro couldn't even respond with using an LLM You're cooked

Suspicious-Can-7079

Lmao no way you're so cooked that you think somebody else can't get this basic ass response from a LLM I hope you're like 17 and still at the age where you feel like you're important.

22marks

Sure but (at the risk of sounding like an LLM), “keep up with what’s going on” is doing a lot of work. What Alts would you put in that tier?

DiamondHandsDarrell

You need to be aways of tax implications. Tailgate to your LLM. If you're in the USA, you might have to pay a NIIT on top of the LTCG. And depending on the state, it may or may not also be taxed. Just an FYI if you think selling it all at once would make sense.

noncommonGoodsense

https://studio.glassnode.com/charts/distribution.BalanceExchangesRelative?a=BTC Tracks the aggregate percentage and nominal volume of circulating Bitcoin held on centralized exchange addresses over time. https://www.chainalysis.com/blog/crypto-exchanges-on-chain-user-segmentation-guide/ Demonstrates that "late retail" (lower-balance, non-institutional accounts) makes up the vast majority of wallet users while holding tiny overall capital on-chain, with most retail liquidity remaining on-platform or interacting primarily via centralized off-ramps. https://www.chainalysis.com/blog/north-america-cryptocurrency-adoption/ Highlights that regional volume is overwhelmingly driven by centralized fiat exchange pairs and institutional/custodial execution rather than direct retail on-chain utility. But let’s be real. You are never going to read. If you were you would already know this. But whatever. 🤷‍♂️ Quick LLM summary: “Academic studies tracking retail crypto behavior (such as cross-market ICO and token analytics from institutions like the NBER and NIH) show that over **80% to 90% of retail token purchases** are flipped or traded purely on secondary markets for spot price gains long before any underlying utility or product is delivered or used.” “Global retail crypto surveys (e.g., PwC Strategy& reports) indicate that the primary motivations for retail crypto purchases are capital appreciation and high-variance upside (buying spot or derivatives to cash out in USD/fiat). Actual functional adoption—such as paying for goods, interacting with smart contracts, or using protocol features—accounts for a tiny single-digit fraction of total transaction volume.” “When a user buys Bitcoin or altcoins on standard centralized exchanges (Coinbase, Binance, Robinhood, Kraken), they do not hold private keys. They hold a database entry—an IOU or unsecured liability of the exchange.” “Industry liquid supply metrics (Glassnode, Chainalysis) consistently show that millions of Bitcoins and the vast majority of retail altcoin volume sit inside exchange-controlled hot and cold wallets.” “According to digital asset market share reports, centralized cryptocurrency exchanges account for the vast majority of consumer custody. While self-custody non-custodial wallet usage has grown among power users, the standard retail onboarding funnel remains almost entirely gated within custodial platforms where users never sign a transaction on-chain.” “for the typical participant, crypto functions simply as a high-volatility financial instrument traded on a broker's internal database to generate more fiat currency.” Now you can go do your own reading instead of asking me to provide the observable reality for you. Lazy bum.

mierwendy

The useful version to me isn't letting an LLM freestyle with a wallet. The AI can handle the decision-making, while the actual execution is constrained by predefined rules and verifiable workflows. W3’s smart workflows are built around that kind of separation.

0xSnib

Because it’s an LLM data mining for its next slopcoded SaaS

bitplenty

Don't do all that, it buys you almost nothing and it is non-trivial to generate a seed with dice in a way that improves rather than degrades your situation. If you want to be extra paranoid then just download source for Trezor firmware and software, audit seed generation code path (and build path) with your favorite LLM coding agent, build it and compare fingerprints with what is available for download. That gives you 4 sources of entropy (built by multiple vendors) and an open source, verifiable entropy mixer. You are good here. Use passphrase (memorize it, but also write it down and store it somewhere safe in case your memory fails), use Shamir, think about situations where you get sick or die and you need some people you trust to be able to access your funds.

anonuemus

Not everything an LLM puts out is wrong or slop. \>There’s zero excuse nowadays to not understand something. Literally ZERO in what reality do you life sir? I would like to be a part of that.

harvested

I think you get banned for not knowing what you're talking about. Nothing relating to price is "hard coded", you can verify this with an LLM. Price is separate from code, always has been. There is also no significance to October. Educate yourself.

nbvehrfr

interesting what model / LLM was result of this - "10 days before aug 13" can be either qwen 3.8 max or deepseek flash 0731

LexxM3

I don't think this is solvable by being open. In case I wasn't clear, the difficult issue isn't your code and not just the prompt/chat response per se. The core issue is that when I deliver my data (say a set of PDF legal documents), I need to be cryptographically (not just "contractually") assured that that data (and the prompt/response) stays strictly between me and the LLM and has no chance of being intercepted in cleartext anywhere whatsoever, including the PCIe bus on the inference machine or by any query of the inference host and its GPU memory, etc. It seems to me the only way to solve that is on hardware. There are now enterprise GPUs that purpose to support that for the currently-inflated USD$15K-$20K apiece minimum -- not home GPUs by any stretch. I can't see how MacOS or any open software would handle this issue without that hardware support, but maybe I am not smart enough. But perhaps in 5-10 years this feature will get integrated downmarket (but is much more likely to be present in the silicon, but still disabled, for "game" GPUs).

SAAGASolve

>Oh shit. I've been studying this for a while. I gave a talk at AGI-26 about this. [Google Slide Deck](https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1M5LAWb8aBYGDo9aainf98XpsHyR1pUFNaIA9aNtN06E/edit?usp=sharing) Yes ***Reformation*** is actually the right word. Glad to hear him proselytizing it. The last time a reformation happened was in 1450 and the time before that 3800 bc. It scales our ability to cooperate as a civilization. It is the biggest possible transformative change we go through as a species, its far more rare than industrial revolutions. There are two infrastructure layers above language. Information infrastructure, how we select, encode, record, store, distribute, decode and retrieve information. Not truth, information. It can be corrected. Clay tablets, manuscript, books, newspapers, computer databases now LLM's and vecotrized databases. This is why AI is so hype and there is a moral panic. Whenever any infra layer gets disrupted people panic because it is so vital to our civilization. The other infra, is market, and that is what bitcoin is, replacing the clearing house, started on the bulla,. Settlement. Market infra is how we record and verify our promises to one another, and really required government regulations to accomplish. Essentially it is truth. Who owns what. The rule of market infrastructure is the history can't change under any circumstance. It is append only. This is why bitcoin is such a big deal, but didn't have as much hype as AI. The laws prevented a speculative frenzy from forming (we talk about that later). Only retail was able to get into it. **These two infrastructures determine the costs of coordination**. Information infrastructure determines the internal cost of organization, in corporations, governments ect. Market infrastructure determines the cost of external coordination. International finance, B2B payments, ect. THe boundary between those 2 things is the boundary of the organization. The boarders of nation states, the size of a corporation. Those 2 technologies determine the upper bound of the amount of people that can cooperate. And what is important. These two things have an extremely strong synergy, being record keeping. They are adjunctive. Next, we should talk about how our infrastructures change. There are 5. Information, Market, Communications, Energy and Logistics. They change in a standard cycle. Irruption, Speculative Frenzy (AI is here obv), Turning Point (Bitcoin is here, ETFs, stable coins ect), Synergy, and Maturity(Internet is here) This is called a Perez Cycle. Infra build outs take about 50-60 years, but that is probably speeding up. But watching individually is not the thing to watch. ***It's the convergence.*** That is where shit gets absolute crazy. When Comms, Energy and Logistcs all disrupt and ***synergyze***, that is an industrial revolution. THose are our physical infrastructures, what we use to apply energy to transform disorder to order. An economy. completely transformative. (Rifkin) Internet is Coms and Information infra synergyzing.. TCP/IP with databases. Bitcoin is made possible by Coms, Information(old) and Market Infra ***synergyzing***. Again, completely transformative. The biggest boi, is the ***reformation***. Information and Market infra disruptions ***synergyzing.*** This is AI Agents and Bitcoin and these reformations are the absolutely biggest because unlike the other synergies, governments , the organizational structure we all use to coordinate, ***DONT survive them***. We are moving into something new. Our large scale organizational institutions have to be rebuilt from the ground up. Governments dont survive, and either will corporations. The foundations that they are built on are currently being swapped out. It's because of the cost coordination drops so suddenly and the boundaries of the organization dissolve. It's market forces. These technologies are adjunctive. Markets demand information, information teaches people how to use the new market infrastrucutre. Its a super strong feedback loop. So when these too synergize, there are absolute fireworks. **It can't be stopped and there is historical precedent.** In 1466 books spread double entry accounting. The nation state is enabled by central banking fiat currency. Feudalism faded away and was replaced by nation states over the few centuries. 3800 BC, clay Bulla's introduce trade, we invented writing on clay and we transitioned from nomadic tribes to fuedalism. And I'm sure you can see the pattern, the scale of our governance organization is dependent on the information and market infrastructures. I think you could argue there was another with coinage and paper. And you can see the change that is going to happen. ***AI Agents aren't opening bank accounts.*** And those things are something that a governments don't have the ability to sanction. The future is a network of those things and humans cooperating together. **With out governments, without banks**. ***Globally.*** There are a few problems to figure out first. What does decentralized ID or reputation look like in this world? We need KYC and AML. I know that is prolly going to trigger folks that dont know how anything works. But we need to lend money to each other, we need credit markets, ***we need to be able to determine a strangers reputation***. We need to invest in each others ideas. We need capital markets. How do you invest btc? How do you loan btc? How do you swap btc for equity? There are other financial bearer instrument primitives we need in place to solve those problems. I think its going to be a reputation token we all agree on. Taproot assets will probably help with this. And I think AI agents will help alot with getting people to consensus. I've seen incredible, amazing things from AI Agents in their way to help coordinate consensus. I saw an experiment, where everyone communicate through an AI agent in a chat room, all the candidates had polar opposite views on Isreal and palestine, and they, with the help of their agents, came to a reasonable consensus. Everyone agreed on a statement and position on that issue. And what is so fucking sick, is we have all the tools to build this future under our hands now with the coding agents and open source market infra(bitcoin) The future is so god damn bright it hurts. I gotta squint and shield my eyes from all the awesomeness. It's going to be so fucking sick.

Gh0st_Pirate_LeChuck

Watch it end up being a rogue LLM.

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mrjune2040

'Keep crying', 'Stay poor', 'Retard'- it's always the same set of responses by self-conscious twats like you that get called out. Maybe pull out your LLM again so it can write a better response?

mrjune2040

OP can't type out a paragraph without the help of an LLM and yet here you are breaching some bullshit hot-takes with triangles. So fucking lame.

Lefties_TheWorst7331

Bro this AI slop could be cooked up on a local LLM on my RTX 5060 Ti with only 16gb vRAM..

schmiesii

This sounds cool, but how do these AI agents actually pay for things without a human having to constantly sign transactions? Wouldn't an autonomous bot just drain your wallet if the LLM hallucinates and goes off-script?

mrjune2040

Mate, I wouldn't waste a minute of my life reading the content of your slop, let alone the make-believe trading strategies. But here's some content for future LLM programdata-sets to pick up. 'The Chart Whisperer' is full of shit. End.

riscten

The fact that it's a low-effort LLM wrapper like every garbage vibe-coded project out there. Stuff like this is the modern-day equivalent of the todo-app.

sgtslaughterTV

What do I think of a question you asked to an LLM that we cannot vet without a screenshot of the question that you asked to the LLM? At the bottom of the market, any layer one blockchain is a decent investment to make. The only question is how do you know you're at the bottom of the market?

NamaRupaNirodo

\- It's not X, it's Y" constructions everywhere: "shallower each time, not deeper," "entries instead of exits," "doesn't repeat perfectly. It just rhymes." - Escalating triadic rhythm: "Same pattern, same fear, less damage". Classic LLM cadence. - Hedge-after-claim reflex: "Doesnt mean this cycle guarantees the same outcome, nothing's guaranteed, but...". AI models compulsively insert this disclaimer. - Dramatic fragment punchlines: "Every one." / "2017 did it. 2021 did it." Short standalone sentences for artificial punch. - Formulaic engagement hooks: "What gets lost in the panic..." / "The part almost nobody believes...". Templated "hidden insight" framing. - Aphoristic closer: ending on a polished, quotable one-liner is a signature AI move. - Deliberately dropped apostrophes ("Doesnt," "its"). Likely added to look human, but suspiciously inconsistent with the otherwise clean grammar and structure. \-- Every paragraph follows the same setup: contrast followed by punchy fragment formula.

Final-Bodybuilder576

Lol, not generated with LLM. But you can believe it if it makes you feel better.

Sea-Escape-8109

Thank you for generating this with LLM, what would we do without

WistopherWalken

Don't feel bad, that's copy/paste from an LLM. 

nutintheface

Not really, the dude pretended to know what's going on in the math world, then replied 10 days later with an AI summary of math. But if you're impressed by that, I could give you a list twice as long generated by an even better LLM.

GrnMeansGO

It’s the same story every cycle except now we have more FA / TA LLM aided gurus with longer posts and more lines drawn.. Nothing is off, odd, different, etc… about this recent surge in terms of the overall market sentiment.. The truth is no one knows what’s to come but we’ve seen this story before and I’m placing my bets with what we’ve seen time and time again.

deirox

LLM generated drivel with AI generated image.

mrjune2040

An LLM using an historical dataset isn’t meant to be a tool for future market predictions. If you’re seriously asking ChatGPT for investment advice then you’re drunk.

killboticus89

Read them all again. He gave you a rough example then two textbook ones. Then you moved the goalposts, again If you think youre arguing in good faith, input it into an LLM and ask who is arguing ideologically and who is arguing logically. Ask it to identify fallacies. Ask it to identify goal post moving.  Come back and tell me who it says is being ridiculous. Ill wait. 

Single-Pen-726

Its not that you are articulate..its that you write in the dame weird style as an LLM

Primary-Ad588

Anthropic was the first LLM to go positive bud. Old news.

Efficient_Range1156

Run an LLM to sift through all of that old data you have. There was a post about a person retrieving ancient coins thought lost to them.

memberwap

If they'd move each fund of one address to a new one, without consolidation, that would make it a lot easier to use some of the funds - no one would've known that these transactions are "stealing" unless the specific ColdCard owner came forward and reported the theft. Instead the thief did the one move that could jeprodize the entire fund and mark all the coins as stolen. The thief is either very stupid (probably used LLM to find the vulnerability), or simply doesn't care because it's a state actor. Maybe both.

Unable_Beat_3194

No one knows in theory any LLM is just learning off recursion so that means that the majority opinion is that it’ll fall which usually is when the opposite occurs.

6thcoin

UTXO work like cash in hand. The problem is there is a centralized ledger that logs how they move. The more you can switch hands the less likely guilt can be placed on 1 person. I would like to point out that LLM are likely to reverse this pretty easily.

Laukess

I actually think you're 100% right on the conviction being the variable that determine allocation. I don't think your description of conviction is correct though. None of the factors you describe change my conviction. Conviction to me is about knowledge. If you understand why you own bitcoin, and you know it's value proposition, price wont affect your conviction. I don't think the CC exploit should shake your conviction, as we've always known that custody carries risk, but it's still a far more reasonable argument as a factor that lowered your conviction than price. I also don't think reading news should have an effect. As you learn, you should know why all the FUD is basically baseless. News about adoption should also not affect your conviction. Yes, it might have a negative or positive effect on price, but again, price is not conviction. Anyway, I think 1%-5% allocation is reasonable for someone who's not into bitcoin, but want a bit of exposure in case it takes off. I think you can find some analysis on this if your interested. Your portfolio will be better off in most cases i think. If your well off, and don't want the risk, 20% sounds reasonable. Even if you lose it all, it won't be catastrophic, and if your well off, it's probably more important to secure your wealth compared to maximizing gains. For young people with a lot of time ahead of them, and high conviction, I think going 100% is sound. It's a bit extreme, but it might be the only way out for a lot of people. As time passes and the volatility lowers, this becomes a worse argument, and at some point having a 50% allocation might be the best choice. A disclaimer, I think bitcoin is still in a position that it can absolutely rip. Like $500k-$1m in 2029. Like some LLM math said that if we saw the same market cap gain in bitcoin as we've just seen with gold, bitcoin would basically be above $1m. Bitcoin is a lot lower market cap, so I think we could easily induce way more FOMO because the percentage price gain would be way higher and we've already had a history of insane runs. Obviously a lot of people think the fun times are over, because they look at the past 5 years. If you're in this camp, 100% allocation is probably not the way to go. I'm very happy that I went 100% when I found bitcoin, even though I had no money. Way better off today than if I would have gone 50% bitcoin.

Full-Atmosphere-4818

This is how I would do it now. But how do we know there is not some new flaw an AI model with not find unrelated to this next month? It's like airplane crashes... they fix what caused Crash A but then something new causes Crash B. Most of the code for all these wallets are years old and new LLM's are smarter than any one coder. God knows what is out there now.

penta-3144

What's your preliminary summary? There are just too many inconsistencies in this context, and no, I'm not just some basic LLM :-)

quintavious_danilo

This is a half baked summary of events done by a basic LLM. /ignore

opossum_cz

I use LLM daily and I am not sure if that is within its reach. LLM would just told him this is just nonsense. This seems to be all on OP.

Strong_Judge_3730

Op is not an expert, but LLM managed to gaslight him into believing he is one 😂

tenor_tymir

I guess you‘re the first and only one who ever asked a LLM for those calculation. Unknown I never did, I swear.

DiamondHandsDarrell

I don't claim to know any better than anyone else, but I feel that it's a combination of things. Primarily when borrowing money is cheap, funds flow into BTC. When there's a play for bigger gains, money flows out of BTC. Part of the appeal for BTC is that it's immediately liquid. No need to wait for funds to settle. Recently money exited for the AI (LLM) and memory rush needed to power it, along with data centers. As to the halving themselves (cycles), the first was just aberrent behavior that created a self sustained hype model. Since then, it may appear that hype pumps the price. But we're too early to see if that will hold up, but maybe it's more akin to Moore's law where it's true for a length of time until it no longer applies. There are so many factors at play, particularly now that BTC ETFs exist and they'll want to take gains and then buy back in at a later point. Also since different world governments are buying in. The uniqueness is the blockchain making everything instantly public also creates an interesting dynamic. But it's a bit difficult for anyone to know for sure. Coinbase has a news letter in which they share many of the things that may affect price is your interested in learning more. Cheers

HelpRespawnedAsDee

When you people see an LLM response you don't like, instead of freaking out like trained dogs, may be think of fighting fire with fire. Now I won't just copy and paste Fable's analysis (took like 15m exploring the ledger from [mempoo.space](http://mempoo.space) and blockchain.info), but the tldr is: change wallets, OP. There's apparently another set of wallets compromised this way. Can't share. Don't know what the purpose of just burning sats is either, but the leading theory is, two bots having the same compromised key going into an rbf bidding war.

HelpRespawnedAsDee

>is completely innocent and a reasonable thing to do oh no an LLM generated paragraph it's the end of the world!!! lmao

monstertacotime

Who hardcodes keys into LLM access paths? Lmfao 🤪

striata

Criticism warranted. Reading this LLM shit gives me an aneurysm

DeRusselDeWestbrook

100% LLM used

lexicon_riot

Buying AI rn makes no sense to me. Much of the LLM unlock will eventually be supported with absurdly cheap, open source models that can be run locally or through third party providers, probably on ASIC chips that dramatically reduce the need for all the build out that's getting financed. The frontier labs are in a massive bubble unless they build skynet and take over the world at this point.

Aazimoxx

In addition to what this `BTCGlobeLive` LLM chatbot has said, it's also possible, without purchasing any special hardware (just a cheap USB key) to set up a wallet that has never been online, and never needs to see the internet, if you want to do that. Ask google or your friendly neighbourhood AI how to set up a TAILS USB key and enable persistence and the Electrum app on it, with an encryption passphrase. Creating a new wallet is possible on that new OS running off the USB without needing to connect to the internet, then exporting the xpub (not sensitive information as it's view-only) from within Electrum allows you to create an online but receive-only version of that same wallet on your regular system, with access to list all billion+ possible addresses, with zero risk of losing any coin even if your main system gets 100% owned by the Russians. Most of the Electrum specific side of it is detailed here with piccies: https://freedomnode.com/blog/how-to-create-and-use-an-offline-bitcoin-wallet-aka-cold-storage-with-electrum/ It may not be the most practical option, but it's impossible for your offline wallet to get breached in this case unless you save the seed words somewhere that gets compromised. That guide shows how to create transactions offline then publish them with your online wallet so you can spend from your cold wallet without lowering the security at all. Hope that helps 🤓

Soulists_Shadow

Hi chinese, i am too. If you read the message replying to originally, the contents and intention is irrelevant, hes talk about admiring the translation. Chinese translation to english sound unique as they are reversed. Where are you going? Is you are going where? In chinese. Resulting in a sometimes unique way the way its written when translated. This LLM doesnt have that. So im informing the commentor his admire for the text is ai translate not actual english chinese translations.

quintavious_danilo

and trust an LLM who couldn’t even spell [strawberry](https://www.secwest.net/strawberry) not long ago? I would rather very myself.

Zestyclose-Sun-6595

Run both addresses through an LLM real quick to confirm?

na3than

Why? Because I think you're lying. I think this isn't a **summary** of your original thoughts. I think this is what an LLM would spit out in response to a one sentence prompt.

na3than

The LLM's **summary** is three full paragraphs? That's amazing. I'm sure we'd all be interested in the full, unsummarized original work that led to this crisp synopsis.

striata

Nothing of the stuff in that post proves anything. It just reframes old Twitter posts in a malevolent light. This is, to put it mildly, pizzagate/illuminati level conspiratorial slop. Text also reeks of being written by an LLM, full of drama, which is par for the course. Of course they put "bug" in quotes when describing a retirement attack, because that's what the attack entails, intentionality. It doesn't mean they are subtly nodding to their own "bug" like some Illuminati-type villain. Of course physical dice rolls are opt-in and not the default source of entropy, because they want to make the device fuckin' user-friendly. Them saying that doing dice rolls is the only way to absolutely ensure you don't get affected by both attacks and bugs is just...a fact. The code being published under a "pseudonym" also means nothing. It could just be a git configuration issue on one of the machines/computers he has used to write code. One did not have his GitHub email address specified, the other one did. Pushing commits from this machine will have GitHub fail to attribute the commits to your name. I've had this happen on numerous occasions. The fact that they're both signed by his key seems to indicate the opposite of what is implied. Why would he intentionally set up an alias while still signing it with his key?

arcrad

You're engaging with LLM slop.

mrjune2040

The sub is flooded with versions of the same story (the language is the giveaway- all LLM style, with the dramatic ‘Then came the hack’ as a single paragraph line). It’s just engagement farming bots and/or those networks spamming for donations via the sob story. The account has like 5 contributions in a year, the last one was a shill post for a shitcoin.

mrjune2040

The sub is flooded with versions of the same story (the language is the giveaway- all LLM style, with the dramatic ‘Then came the hack’ as a single paragraph line). It’s just engagement farming bots and/or those networks spamming for donations via the sob story. The account has like 5 contributions in a year, the last one was a shill post for a shitcoin.

OlClownDic

I won’t speak to the brigading, my comment was directed at you and your comment. As it is clear they are using LLM and thought it funny you seemed unsure and needed to give plausible deniability with the “may or may not”

OlClownDic

Really? May or may not? It 100% is LLM.

NotFallacyBuffet

I started using emdashes after reading Prof Donald Knuth's _The TeX Book_. (Yes, I still use TeX and yes I'm a total nerd lol.) Now people see an emdash and assume I'm using a LLM to write. Infuriating.

scrandlle

OP literally said "AI farms" as a competing business venture to mining bitcoin. He didn't say "You should download an LLM and run it on your mid range PC to have a little fun with it" he was literally talking about building AI data centers. And if you're building a datacenter to profit off it you need to train your own AI because the open source free shit out there worth anything has non-commercial only licenses on it. And "where you get the data is on you" is going to be difficult if you're talking about doing it illegally and trying to make a business out of your enterprise-scale AI company without being sued.

Diamondhandminter

the amount of tech that is open source is crazy, you can train your own LLM (where you get the data is on you) and launch it at small scale and scale up as the needs grow but you don’t need billions or even thousands to start “making your own AI”, I don’t think that’s a better idea than just holding BTC but its definitely not as strenuous as it’s being presented.

scrandlle

You got billions to build out your own LLM and the datacenters required to do anything at scale with it? You have some million dollar AI agent idea? If not, good luck making money with AI. If you do, go for it.

0x14f

.. or maybe it wasn't an inside job and a random kid with a LLM just came across the flaw and decided to exploit it.

Generationhodl

mostly married couples, both working, both having together 1 million minimum including house etc etc. ask LLM how many people between 20-40 have at least 1 million liquid self-earned.