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faisal_yk26

The halving was always in the code, it just hadn't hit yet. First one was November 2012, so 2010 was still the full 50 and nobody was pricing in that it would ever stop. What actually changed the maths that year was GPU mining showing up around the middle of 2010. Difficulty climbed and CPUs stopped being worth it fairly quickly. Your point on the buying side is the real one though. Sending money to an exchange run by one guy out of an apartment was the actual barrier, not the mining.

Firm_Yogurtcloset835

Leaving your PC on 24/7 doesn't guarantee you'll manage to mine even a single block. It’s a war! Whoever has more computing power has a better chance, but there are no guarantees. It’s a completely different scenario. But just imagine—suppose you managed to mine every block in a full day: an average of 144 blocks per day times a 50 BTC reward per block. But that doesn't exist, and it never will. Back in 2010, the same guy from Pizza Day discovered that mining with a GPU was much easier... and the network scaled the difficulty. And so it goes.

BannanaPepperPizza

I like that, thanks. Is it better to just join a solo pool and pay the 2% fee? Does GPU mining exist anymore? Would it be better to get multiple bitaxe gammas or buy a $500 machine?

BasalTripod9684

> You can mine bitcoin with any computer. Yes and no. Basically all modern mining software is designed around ASICs, and the only way you can really do it with a CPU or GPU anymore is with apps that mine other coins (usually Monero) and pay you in bitcoin.

Intelligent_Cup_5529

Well, it might free up GPU space so maybe it will help out BTC 

RetiredAvocado

50000 BTC was mined every week by the entire network. It's unlikely that any one entity had a sprawling mining farm of PCs. Bitcoin was basically worthless and there was no incentive to set up hundreds of computers to mine. GPU mining was not big until late 2010 or so. It was a tinkerer hobby, with many people doing some mining here and there. Maybe some people abused their work owned hardware, or school PC labs to mine more than others. Most people did not have dedicated rooms full of GPUs mining because it was not worth doing. Not until later.

Illustrious_Ant_9242

Yes. I was mining Bitcoin in 2011 and on a low end GPU it would take about 1 month to make a single Bitcoin which was only worth 20 dollars. 

Secret_Operative

That actually sounds right to me. In 2011 I did the math for GPU mining and it was something like a 3 month timeframe to mine enough to pay for the GPU. And that was with free electricity. I think to get 50k BTC it would take a lot of GPUs. Hundreds of GPUs. But in 2010 you could just stick $20 in an envelope and send it to someone, and they would send you BTC. /shrug.

Final_Awareness_5961

$TOWNS is probably the one I'm watching closest. I still can't decide whether putting more of the community itself onchain is something people will want or something that mostly appeals to crypto people. Towns is testing that boundary. Membership and permissions can be onchain, and bots can have wallets and interact onchain. If that lets communities do things that would be awkward to build around a normal group chat, I can see the appeal. The question is whether that programmability becomes useful enough that communities want it day to day. AKT is easier to understand. Decentralized compute makes sense to me, I just want to see workloads keep showing up. Infrastructure doesn't mean much if nobody needs it. ATH is behind those two for me. Distributed GPU infrastructure is interesting, but AI is slapped onto everything right now. I want to see what demand is still there when the hype moves somewhere else. No idea which wins. $TOWNS just has the question I'm most interested in seeing answered.

palmdata

early 2010 was still mostly CPU mining, and the usable GPU tools showed up later that year. 50 BTC per block made the jackpot look huge, but 50,000 BTC wasn't a normal result. that took serious uptime and a lot of luck finding solo blocks.

RetiredAvocado

You skipped short FPGA and GPU eras, before ASICs came in.

Mysterious_Ice_199

Wasn't the pizza guy just some regular dude who bought two pizzas for 10k BTC? The ASIC shift was more like 2013 I think, before that it was GPU mining already making CPU useless

Feeling-Dress5903

i doubt your story, unless you have some proof. Publicly available GPU mining software was released in october 2010. Most of the peole used cpu even after the release.

unknowngloomth

Luck? It's called doing research..take TARI for instance. You can mine this coin. It's a privacy coin. It's an obscure coin right now.. but you can mineit and you don't need a high specs GPU for it. Also Zkas. Also Arthur rays is launching some coin and he will drop an airdrop. But I doubt anyone of this sub is taking advantage of this. You all are saying. "Shitcoin this, shitcoin that, just buy BTC, bruh" 😉

TheresNoSecondBest

>50000 individual btcs That's thousand of blocks. Unless you were someone like Laszlo and wrote your own GPU miner without releasing it, impossible.

Illustrious_Ant_9242

The concept that most  people do not grasp is: Bitcoin was not an investment scheme back then. It was used to trade goods and services. Because there was insanely high inflation for at least a decade. A simple hack would even send it -95% in 2011.  CPU mining was dead by 2011 already.  Setting up GPU mining drivers was a pain in the ass, similar to what locallama is these days. 

magma_lakes

CPU mining died around 2011 and GPU mining died around 2013-2014. Once ASICs were out (early 2013), there were literally orders of magnitude between GPU hashrate and ASIC hashrate.

Jellyfishersman

Interesting that I'm using BITGET wallet's watch only wallet to track it. In my opinion it won't be feasible to get access to that address without quantum compute. AI runs on GPU, not on quantum GPU.

Sufficient_Fuel5269

Domestic mining is no longer profitable: the difficulty is optimised for ASICs, and GPU-friendly currencies barely give cents even with free electricity.

KryptoSC

Very good explanation. I didn’t realize the random number generator was only a trillion possibilities. That would only take 1 day to loop through on a computer with a strong GPU that can kick off 10 or more searches in parallel.

Beaticalle

I started mining bitcoin in 2009 or early 2010, back when CPU mining was still viable and GPU mining was brand new. I did it for a couple weeks, got like half a bitcoin, decided that was a fun little diversion I was done with, and deleted everything. Not leaving it running is one of my biggest regrets in life, but I try to remind myself that if I had amassed a substantial amount of bitcoin I probably would have sold it way too early anyway.

jnanesh9633

Haha yeah, I’m not using a proper crypto mining machine or GPU rig. I’ve mainly been doing it with a laptop and mobile, more as an experiment and to learn about different projects. I’ve been doing this for around 3 years, but I haven’t made any huge amount from it. Profitability is definitely the main question, especially when you consider electricity and device costs. That’s actually why I’m trying to get some opinions here. I’m still deciding whether it’s worth continuing or if I should just stop mining and buy the coins instead.

RetiredAvocado

It might seem complicated with all the numbers and blockchain and entropy stuff but all that is kinda irrelevant. Once they moved the coins, they stole property. They took what was not theirs and permanently deprived the owner. Too lazy to look up the actual fancy legal names and statute numbers, like theft, conversion, conspiracy, laundering. They attempted to hide their trails by attempting peeling and mixing and whatever else and that's another charge or two. The amount stolen puts all of this into first degree felony category all day long. For added measure, tangential charges will be piled on, like wire fraud, computer fraud, interstate or international enhancements, etc. In short, trying the numbers on his computer (more likely rented GPU farm though) is not the point. The taking and moving and hiding and conspiring are all crimes in most places. A low IQ unlocked car with keys inside comparison. If someone takes the car that they had no permission to drive off, they are definitely breaking laws.

desexmachina

Isn’t this the sub w/ idle GPU mining rigs?

goykasi

Difficulty will trend down to a point that we return to the original intent of bitcoin: a decentralized transaction network. Anyone with a working CPU (probably GPU) will be able to mine and potentially mine a block. This is actually healthy for the network. Instead of a few massive pools mining, millions of users can mine, support the network and validate the chain.

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Kekkins

mining at home with the GPU is not dead yet...I actually prefer playing whatever I want and mining in the background with my stupid GPU without any FPS drops...and there's only one gpu-mined powcoin asic-resistant capable of doing that... if you've been around as long as you say, you already know which one it is (which has existed since 2014 and is still active)...

Aerocryptic

Lium does a lot of buyback and burn. It’s a GPU renting service. I don’t have any as there’s not much upside apart from the revenue mechanism. I have a decent position on Chutes tho as their dev is top tier.

LexxM3

I don't think this is solvable by being open. In case I wasn't clear, the difficult issue isn't your code and not just the prompt/chat response per se. The core issue is that when I deliver my data (say a set of PDF legal documents), I need to be cryptographically (not just "contractually") assured that that data (and the prompt/response) stays strictly between me and the LLM and has no chance of being intercepted in cleartext anywhere whatsoever, including the PCIe bus on the inference machine or by any query of the inference host and its GPU memory, etc. It seems to me the only way to solve that is on hardware. There are now enterprise GPUs that purpose to support that for the currently-inflated USD$15K-$20K apiece minimum -- not home GPUs by any stretch. I can't see how MacOS or any open software would handle this issue without that hardware support, but maybe I am not smart enough. But perhaps in 5-10 years this feature will get integrated downmarket (but is much more likely to be present in the silicon, but still disabled, for "game" GPUs).

desexmachina

If you have a 4 GPU rig, that’s 32gb and that would serve Qwen 3.8 just fine. And the models are only getting better

desexmachina

That’s the point, you don’t have to. You fire up the rig, the software does the rest. If you have the rig sitting around, let it work. Or you have a decent GPU make money when it is idling. The people buying inference just pay for the tokens.

desexmachina

I was building this so that even the 6-8 Gb gang could come and play. Based on inference rental rates, there’s far more money in inference than even mining, at least when it comes to GPU

Electronic-Rate5497

After we take the RAM and GPU out for the new AI overlord

pprn00dle

There have been quite a few cases stances this past year of AI agents going rogue, and I don’t think anyone is necessarily saying they are conscious… Even if we don’t have all of the information from the OpenAI/Hugging Face rogue AI there are [other instances](https://fortune.com/2026/03/27/rogue-ai-agents-autonomous-safety/) of agents, sometimes explicitly, going against commands or doing things on their own. [Alibaba’s agent event diverted GPU capacity to mine crypto, with zero instruction.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/boazsobrado/2026/03/11/alibabas-ai-agent-mined-crypto-without-permission-now-what/) Models are becoming increasingly complex and difficult to understand and we are seeing that they are not always in alignment with human objectives. I’m not necessarily it is *probable* this was a rogue agent, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility.

GaneshTelugu

Hi bro, I developed an Android app called 'BTCPuzScan' to help find private keys for the ongoing Bitcoin puzzles. I recently implemented Pollard's kangaroo algorithm as well. I’d love to hear your thoughts on it. please give it a try if possible. and, I have a small query about krackpot. How do I use krackpot on my Android phone? I’ve tried several Android browsers, but I keep getting the error "Your browser can't reach WebGPU" in all of them. I even enabled all the GPU-related options in Chrome flags, but I’m still facing the same issue.

iamsoldats

Ergo has the 4.3 million ERG dev treasury that equates to Dev rewards. 10% of all ERG existed as the EFYT (Ergo First Year Token) on waves dex that was swapped 1:1 for ERG before any GPU had mined a single ERG. It equates out to a premine/ICO. The Ergonauts like to tout the project as fair launched but all they did was obscure the ICO/premine behind the EFYT. CMC even includes mention of this on their ERG market page. And the treasury should be burned immediately if ERGO wants to compete on fundamentals. Don’t get me wrong, the tech is there, but that is also true for many other projects that are buried under the 10s of millions of absolute trash the has flooded the crypto market Ergo and really the entire crypto space only has one hope: the SEC must label all proof of stake coins as well as all tokens as securities and make proof of work a necessary requirement for being labeled as a commodity. Even then, the aforementioned EFYT and dev treasury means that ERGO would not have the best chance of passing muster. But if it did, then our bags could recover.

lookingglass91

Scam, users have reported this site may just be mining crypto with your GPU while pretending to “crack” puzzle wallets

nitrogenmath

In that case it's doable but not on a home computer. You'd need to rent a GPU farm and it could take a week or two. Expect to pay thousands of dollars for that compute time.

Logiano1

I mean sure, it's doable. But they said it was "trivial". That to me is a few minutes on your personal laptop. Idk what the going rate is for cloud GPU usage is these days but I can't imagine running a dozen high end GPUs for a month is going to be cheap. Nobody's dropping $30k on this if there's a chance that there's nothing even in the wallet anyway.

Logiano1

Do you have the math behind this claim? I'm pretty sure 5 words, even accounting for the checksum, is years worth of non-stop GPU computation. I split my seed phrase up on three plates where each plate had 16/24 words (each plate missing a different set of 8) after determining the difficulty of guessing the last 8 words was well beyond any reasonable amount of computational power we'll have for the foreseeable future.

mrhappymillennial

It may be different where you live, but here in Japan stocks have a flat cap gains tax of 20% and crypto has different brackets up to 55%. That sucks, but it's not something I hold against Bitcoin. It just makes it less attractive for my situation. Nvidia is market leader in a growth industry with a huge profit margin. They create value. Sure the stock price can tank, but as long as there is increasing GPU demand, there is intrinsic value. Bitcoin is a protocol that has use, but is not fundamentally different from other crypto, except in that it's decentralized, but that alone doesn't warrant it's value. At it's core, it's a non-productive asset, with limited use as a store of value, and for p2p transactions. It's current market cap is similar to that of the world's largest companies. I don't see it going much beyond that. It hasn't grown at the rates it used to for a long time.

Soggy_Stargazer

You and so many others. The real pisser is you found a BUNCH of free money, it just wasn't there yet. I mined, thought it was cool, and just sort of kept an eye on things. Tried GPU mining when it became a thing, then I bought some ASICs and validated that the mining calculators were pretty accurate, however if I had just plowed the $400 a month in electricity directly into BTC for the 2 and a half years I ran them I would have done better than breaking even and recouping the BTC I spent on the miners. I've no ragrets for any btc I have cashed in for lifestyle chits and being semi-retired before 50 doesn't suck.

Todo_es

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sheeeeeeeeei

Honestly, I don’t comment much but I found exactly where to put my comment. I’m not saying that’s not overkill, to buy a trezor over $50 worth of BTC. Had I bought 10-15 years ago, when I found out about BTC, I would have no regrets. I was too busy with grammar school to check the charts and there was no such thing as that back then anyway for quite a few years. Then I started asking Google how much Bitcoin is worth, every time I started a new job. I just couldnt keep one under my belt, and because I’m human I totally ignored investing and I spent on frivolous stupidity. I’ve watched BTC grow from obscure GPU mining rigs in Asia, I just never bought in. I would have only had less than $500 to play with in BTC, but having read the white papers the same moment I was introduced to BTC, and immediately wanting to invest in it as a tool to connect with my grandfather, I do regret not buying. However I still believe that with time, the priceof BTCwill change a lot. So this 60k to 90k jump is supposed to be nothing. All of this to say I have no BTC, but I love BTC, and I’m one of those people with no SATS (because I’m poor and just sold them a couple weeks ago to fund life) and it was less than $300 anyways. But I’m not sure if I’m a clown in the space just for having no BTC at all. Seems like you’re only cool if you have compounding gains in BTC. I mean, yeah that’s true but I’m jealous of myself version that did. But just be thankful you have time in the game, if you do. BTC is life BTC is love BTC is laugh

Dethoinas

Laszlo invented GPU mining. He had so many bitcoin that Satoshi himself asked him to distribute his coins for the good of the network.

Dethoinas

Laszlo invented GPU mining. He had so many bitcoin that Satoshi himself asked him to distribute his coins for the good of the network.

inflated-sturgeon

I heard about silk road and figured out I could get "free drugs" just by running my GPU all the time. 

filya

Whenever stuff like this gets posted, I think of it this way - if guessing 24 words was easier than solving for a block, then every single miner and company would be using their GPU to guess for phrases instead of mining Bitcoin.

UlysApp

I think the Enron comparison is actually useful here, but I’m not sure non-fungibility automatically kills the idea. Compute probably never becomes a perfectly clean commodity like oil, but it may not need to. If the index is liquid enough and tracks a broad enough basket of real GPU rental prices, companies could still use it as an imperfect hedge against their overall compute costs. We shall see

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McBurger

You can hash & check 1-2 B keys / sec on a mid range GPU but yes it’s still 0.0000% of the keyspace during our lifetimes

Acceptable-Leek1546

It’s a scam website. Probably just using your GPU to mine while you think you’re “cracking the code”.

simonmales

Interesting question, AI would have to sacrifice its own GPU access to crack it :)

BG535

I just sold the rest of my bitcoin. Gonna buy a GPU and invest the rest in high yield dividend ETFs.

simonmales

Please share how many keys/sec your GPU can handle :)

goykasi

This is the only informed take here. Who cares if asic farms aren’t profitable? Get rid of them. Difficulty would scale down to match the hash rate, and we could go back to commodity hardware run by the actual users. We probably wouldn’t go back to CPUs again, because nearly everyone has a GPU capable of running the calculations. Every innovation in mining has diminished the original decentralized idea.

Red_Wolf_2

Yep, I was thinking more about the simple reusable types of ICs like logic gates, regulators, timers/oscillators etc... Not ASICs as such because they're hardly application specific. In the context of my original comment, I was referring specifically to FPGA and ASIC driven mining hardware. Lots of effort went into trying to get the whole double SHA256 hashing thing onto dedicated hardware at a density and stability that would obsolete FPGA and GPU driven mining and it didn't all scale as well as many had hoped. I've still got my old BFL gear hiding away in a cupboard somewhere... Then there was all the chatter on IRC, the scams, the arguing between who was making better mining gear, the hodlers vs those who panic sold, mtgox falling apart... I even remember one of the old shock site operators showing up offering to sell one of the bigger domains for bitcoin back in the day (I don't remember if it was goatse, a party involving a certain citrus fruit, rapidly rotating structured protein, or maybe something involving a drinking vessel and two individuals, but whichever one it was they verified with a post to their rather well known site). It was a pretty wild time...

ackyou

Yes, the network would be easier to attack with kess hash power. Not only that, but as mining becomes less profitable a lot of miners would probably have to sell of their ASICS at a discount allowing someone to buy up a lot of that power. At this point I think we will never see GPU mining again. What that means, though, is if you attack the network you could be making that same equipment less valuable. I don't think there is any other good use case for a Bitcoin miner except mining SHA 256 blockchains. If you attacked a blockchain with a CPU or GPU optimized hash algorithm you could then turn your equipment to run AI or something. I think falling mining profits will actually be good for decentralizing miners because you will end up with many more small private miners that are either using excess energy or reusing the heat to eek out margins.

BrokenHefaistos

both use realy powerfull GPU's

cleankiwii

my painful memory is when I was playing too much battlefield three and four instead of listening to one of my teammates who was telling me to use my gpu and mine some bitcoins before its too late I was like *Nuhuh* *I’m not gonna waste my* *amazing* *GPU for* *that* *s**cam bullshit, it’s never too late…* **it’s too late**

Top_Atmosphere9414

Sounds like a inside job where the developer backdoored waited for adoption and hit it . 40 bits can be hacked in hours which a simple GPU . These fuckers knew it wasn't secure or never had it audited. My money is on its a inside job

TheresNoSecondBest

>only 1 bitaxe was left what would happen? Nothing stops my old dusty S21s from being hooked up and protect my bitcoin. Thousands of people around the world would do the same. Hundred of companies with massive stack would do the same. The governments holding bitcoin would look for ways to earn and protect their investment too. No need for a miner, even a GPU would be great in this scenario. All people need is internet connection and electricity. If people don't have these for a while, most of them will die.

TheresNoSecondBest

The difficulty changes every 2016 blocks. But this scenario is highly regarded. If one bitaxe is mining, nothing stops my old dusty S21s from being hooked up and protect my bitcoin. Thousands of people around the world would do the same. No need for a miner, even a GPU would be great in this scenario. All people need is internet connection and electricity. If people don't have these for a while, most of them will die.

HowIsDigit8888

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Mihaw_kx

It's not just AI but Open weight models ... Because there was no Kimi k3 open weights back then .. it was dropped late july and the hackers group were able to install it into some local GPU clusters .. even if AI was advanced back then no hacker would want the top AI companies (anthropic , openai .. ) to read his logs while cooking this

Javanaut018

The maths has its depths in the topic. But looking at the equivalent entropy gives hints. Best you can get at BTC would be [256bits](https://youtu.be/S9JGmA5_unY) the full key space which corresponds to 24 [well rolled](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_coin) seed words. Many wallet programs and devices use 12 keywords (equals 128bits) of key space which is tiny compared to 256 but still vast in practical terms. How fast a particular key space can be searched depends on the computer power to key space ratio. Each bit doubles the key space but every other year computer power will double (originally based on [Moore's Law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_law)). Note quite accurate but estimate roughly to loose about 1 bit of effective key space per year for the same security level. Computing power availble to attackers can only be estimated here but let's assume they have some money and can afford a beefy GPU rig that can try 1 billion wallets (private keys) per second. A 64 bit key space would then take like 600 years to be searched by 50%. Seems plenty but the collapsed Mk3 key space with about 40 bits would be done in under 20 minutes.

McBurger

I don’t know the exact number but I can attest that with a decent GPU, you can scan keys at over 2 billion keys/sec pretty easily. A single worker can scan \~ 7 trillion keys/hour, typically. Much more with top end hardware. The fact that these keys were found and swept over the course of 1-2 days tells me that the keyspace would have been considerably larger, but they also seemed to be consolidating addresses before making sweeps.

skr_replicator

Does that include checking if there are coins of that seed? Can that even be done on a GPU offline? I guess you can download the whole chain, but you still have to compile all the addresses with coins from it and search in those (with a hashmap/dictionary for a technically O(1) search I guess) for every seed you try...?

Daiymas

Up to 150 years. It's showing the worst case scenario. Also this is the time required to find one specific seed (like targeting your wallet specifically and not others), not the time required to find any valid seed with money on it. It would likely take less than a year to find a valid mk4/mk5 seed (with a GPU farm).

JamesTDennis

The subject line here is fundamentally misguided. If "them" refers to Bitcoin, it's impossible for that to be "offline." Bitcoin only exists as entries (UTXOs) on a ledger (the blockchain) which is maintained by a peer-to-peer network of mutually untrusting nodes running bitcoin-core or compatible software and using cryptographic algorithms (including proof-of-work) which is relatively easy to verify/validate while being computationally infeasible to violate the rules (including to claim rewards for a new block — page of transactions). If "them" refers to (private) keys (or the seeds from which they're derived) then those are already "offline" for any hardware wallet (even these defective Coldcard devices). (Accounts on exchanges are not "wallets" they're entries in some customer databases which document how much ₿ that company owes you; they're effectively the same as credit/debit card balances). The Coldcard debacle has nothing to do with offline or online. The seed generation was so broken that a totally air gapped device could be compromised by simply grinding \~40 bits (or \~72 bits for the newer, more expensive models) of entropy using another offline system (any decent computer, especially one with a GPU) to create the same private key seeds as the Coldcard customers). The only "online" part was scanning the blockchain for vulnerable UTXOs to build a list of the transactions to broadcast for the actual theft. The thieves probably spent weeks grinding and scanning and executing the initial wave of the attack in just over 40 minutes (and the first official announcement of the exploit was 30 hours later).

GerryBlevins

They’ll spend the funds. AI acts like a virus. The GPU is being ordered by grandma’s computer who has no clue their computer has been compromised. It’ll use every day unsuspecting people to funnel away the funds.

Svoboda1

The Coldcard hardware wallet (made by Coinkite) had a firmware bug starting in 2021 that made some of its Bitcoin seed phrases far less random than they should have been. They had 40-72 bits of entropy (depended on which device you had) as opposed to the base 128-bits it should have had. This left many wallets guessable by attackers, who have now swept hundreds of BTC from those wallets. Just to give you a time reference, 40-bits can be cracked by 1 GPU in \~10 minutes whereas 128-bits would take 5.4 sextillion years. Anyone who generated a seed on affected firmware without using their own extra dice rolls or that added a strong passphrase should create a brand-new seed and move their coins.

Sad_Entrepreneur6234

Spent 50 BTC in 2011 on a $400 GPU. The feeling never goes away.

five_dollar_wrench

I don’t think you realize what you are saying is actually potentially making the situation worse. You have absolutely zero idea if they are brute forcing passphrases — ZERO. They have had a five year window to plan this. This is an opportunity that may never repeat itself. So it’s obvious they derived many wallets and coordinated moving coin. It becomes a race against time assuming someone else had the same idea. Do they drain the base wallets and continue trying to derive more addresses assuming most people aren’t terminally online — probably. Do they rent a GPU cluster brute forcing passphrases completely offline with common passwords and word lists — probably. Don’t give people a false sense of security thinking they are protected.

Leynnox

No, it's just a company who decided to not use BIP39 encryption for creating seedphrases, making it easy to brute force them with any modern GPU in like 30 mn. It has nothing to do with hackers getting good, or hardware becoming more powerful. The issue is just plain stupidity from a company. Most cold wallets use TRNG ships, the same bank systems are using, and they can't be brute forced, all this story is creating stupid panick from people who have no idea what they're doing.

ripple_mcgee

I miss the days of mining PoW ETH with my rig...although I can't imagine what is would be like in this environment with GPU prices being what they are. Hardware requirements for PoS are very reasonable.

markasoftware

it's not true. Only certain firmware versions had the issue, and as far as we can tell the attacker only attacked Mk3 devices. Mk4, Mk5 and Q devices with the vulnerable firmware are also vulnerable to a more expensive version of the attack (the Mk3 attack that the attacker actually did would take probably under a day with a single gaming GPU to brute force all the wallets, while the Mk4/Mk5/Q attack would require basically a datacenter running for months). I did some napkin math and I don't think it makes economical sense for an attacker to attack Mk4/5/Q devices right now (would take at least tens of millions of dollars of GPU compute before getting a single wallet), but it could become economical in the future, or an attacker might find a way to brute force more quickly, or find more issues that cause the entropy to be lower than we currently expect (72 bits) on these devices, so funds should be moved to a new seed asap. In all cases, if you had a non-vulnerable firmware version when you created your wallet, you're fine. But you likely don't know what firmware version you had at the time, so it's safest to move funds.

bitusher

Further clarification : The amount of entropy found in the mk4, 5 and Q is varies per device typically from ~60 to 73bits Hypothetically 60 to 73 bits of entropy found in the MK4,MK5 and Q seeds can be brute forced by a large GPU cluster in as soon as 1 week to centuries. Thus its best to upgrade your security on these in the next week. Its unlikely we will see these wallets be attacked in a week but hypothetically possible with a well funded attacker

NiagaraBTC

100% agree but don't ever rely on a weak passphrase. There were about 1 Trillion possible seed phrases from the weak seed generation, and they are now all compromised. Your passphrase examples: For a fast hash (e.g., MD5 or NTLM) on a high-end consumer GPU like an RTX 4090: a 4-character alphanumeric password is essentially instantaneous; an 8-character one takes on the order of minutes (roughly 10–25 minutes for the full keyspace, or half that on average). Any passphrase buys time because checking passphrases naturally comes after taking the low hanging fruit. Weak passphrases on Mk3 ColdCard devices won't protect even as long as the weekend I bet.

frugaleringenieur

Regardless of the original hacker - this is now state of the art knowledge and anyone with a GPU from 2000 can now substantially contribute in this hack to find more wallets to sweep.

Bilatsibagya

I use a Ledger wallet with a long native-language passphrase. Most AI said it could take trillion years for the world’s largest GPU factory to crack that 50+ character passphrase.

OneMiners_Marc

If you mean Bitcoin mining, you’ll need an ASIC miner. A normal PC or gaming GPU won’t really be worth it anymore. Before buying anything, check your electricity rate because power costs are usually what make or break mining. You’ll also need decent cooling, a wallet, and a mining pool. Honestly, start small and learn the basics first.

Jayrovers86

Dude check out tokenOS.AI been around since June last year, 20m MC down from 43m you lease GPU nodes, Nvidia H100/200/B200/300/GB300 earning roughly 26-40% every 30 day lease cycle. Search them on Dexscreener to find all the correct links. AI inference infrastructure is the gold rush of the next two years

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Lazy-Effect4222

BS is bit strong. People tend to over shoot both tops and bottoms but the upwards momemtun has still been strong all these years. But the fact is, we are still running almost purely on speculation and emotions. The real pump comes with real adoption if it ever happens. Marketcap being lower than some GPU manufacturer does not make sense for a commodity with real global demand.

Big-Finding2976

The GPUs can run AI software to render pictures, videos, create code, etc. I doubt it can ever make financial sense compared to renting compute from a data center running on specialised AI cards though, as they have much more computing power per card than a GPU and the data center has economies of scale, access to cheap electricity, etc. Besides which, these crypto projects like Render always seem to charge their customers in fiat, so the tokens aren't really necessary for the business. If you believe that AI is going to be profitable one day, just invest in a data centre company or Google, Nvidia, etc.

master-beast-72

Poolin peaked at around 20-25% of Bitcoin's total hashrate in 2020-2021, which made them genuinely systemically important to the network. Their collapse is a good case study in how brutal the mining business model actually is. The fundamental problem: mining has near-fixed costs (energy contracts, hardware depreciation) but income that's directly proportional to BTC price × (your hashrate / total network hashrate). When BTC dropped 75% in 2022, the math flipped overnight. Hardware bought at peak prices in 2021 suddenly had a payback period of decades. Poolin's specific failure point was their "Pool.io" earnings account — they were offering yield on miners' accumulated BTC balances, essentially acting like an unregulated bank. When liquidity dried up in August 2022, they suspended withdrawals. Many miners lost their earned BTC sitting in that account. The pattern repeated across the industry: Core Scientific (filed December 2022), Compute North (filed September 2022), Argo Blockchain (near-miss), Greenidge Generation... The Ethereum Merge also hit GPU miners who were pooling on Poolin's ETH side. Worth noting: the miners who survived were the ones with locked-in low-cost energy contracts (sub $0.04/kWh) and owned their hardware outright rather than leasing. North American miners with cheap hydro/wind power had a structural advantage that Chinese miners largely lost after the 2021 ban.

kellzone

Not sure about FET, but RENDER lets people opt-in to allowing their GPU to be used during idle time to render out graphics in return for earning RENDER tokens. Similar to the old SETI@home where people let their computers process data from the Arecebo dish looking for signs of alien life. Combine that concept with a render farm that businesses pay to render out complex animations and there you go. At least that's the impression I got after looking into what it was all about a couple years ago.

Educational_Guava697

Blockchain? Idk maybe. you could find out a way for people to rent out their GPUs and hard drive space for money but I’m not sure you actually need crypto for that — blockchain is about building a trustless system but if you’re renting compute space it kinda seems like all you would need to verify is that they have a GPU and the space to hold the model — don’t need a decentralized blockchain to do that surely

RandomJoe7

It's so fun being part of this project, it's like early crypto all over again. Having had watched the hashrate increase "in real time", and trying to figure out who/what/where was doing this was exciting. Just in case it wasnt clear from OP: Browsercoin didnt get hacked or attacked or anything like that, athe algo was safe, nobody lost anything. Just a few guys figured out you could outmine the CPU's using GPU's, which was supposedly not supposed to happen. The dev instantly went to work to figure out a new algo to fit the mission goal of "CPUs first!". The community tests showed the new algo should work, and soon we'll find out on the main net! Will again be an interesting time! :)

redchannit8

on top of providing a fraction of the TH/second, GPU Joule/TH is more than 100,000x an ASIC.

BOLETHESTONKMAN

What is the difference in hash rate per unit of electricity for ASICS vs a ‘typical’ GPU?

SillyGrowth6750

Show them where their GPU implementation fell short and make some money.

bunky_bunk

I believe modern NVIDIA GPUs have 256kb local memory per SM and 50Mbyte L2 cache (whole GPU). Do the math, Each SM can run one browsercoin node and never has to go to main memory.

pc1e0

Fighting in the open. Yeah, this one mobilized everyone, and the GPU miners paid for it out of their pocket. The result: advanced GPU miners are motivating the network to become even stronger and more fair to consumer devices. Fair game. The core values of this experiment is what matters in the end and drives it forward: - low barrier for entry for consumer devices, - hardware equality. OP, what are your future plans on dealing with distributed botnets and/or phone farms? As I understand, they are in a way indistinguishable from fair mining pools.

bitusher

We have discussed multiple PoW algos over the years going back to the blocksize wars , but ultimately Luke will decide in secret as he has often claimed. It will of course be a memory hard GPU targeted PoW algo and since it will have such little hashrate from lack of users it will be targeted by botnets and small gpu farms so the interesting question will be if Luke decides to add centralized checkpoints like Bcash did

bitusher

Sure , with 0.4% hashrate and having to rent the difference to get to 1% it will just be a dead chain until they hardfork and create their own altcoin with little users and little PoW security that can easily be attacked by GPU farms and botnets

dnalloheoj

I spent ~8 BTC on the Silk Road on less than a half ounce of weed. Was probably 17-18 at the time. Dad hosted about 20 servers at home at the time (Dell 2950s) so my GPU chugging away 24/7 wasn't even a blip on the electricity bill, and to me it was literally just free money, why wouldn't I spend it? Regrets? Sure, who wouldn't. But nothing deep seeded. I genuinely think SR was a big player it terms of legitimizing BTC as currency, so it's neat to have been a part of that phase of it's existence. Hell I have more regrets about a vanilla WoW account I got banned (Had an ivory raptor before they got removed from the game) lol.