PC

DowvoteMeThenBitch

Every device that plays audio is an mp3 player these days — the fact that you no longer recognize the technology even exists in your life is the sign of how pervasive it is. Similarly to how your phone calls use the same tech as they did 50 years ago, just with a wireless transceiver in the middle now. Your phone is a PC, the design just makes you call it a smartphone. It’s all still here

Brilliant-Can9435

I would at least have the PC mounted directly under the panels to keep the PC under the shade.

Aussiehash

You enter the mnemonic seed words directly into your hardware wallet - never into your PC/phone/browser

ciaramicola

And arguably many tech in those graph have been transformed to the point that they are not really in use anymore and that they should be treated like VHS. Telephone, MP3 players, radio, even PC..

Aussiehash

Your mnemonic seed must never ever be entered into your phone, PC, browser, cloud or password manager You export the wallet skeleton from Coldcard on to a MicroSD, then import that wallet skeleton into your desktop wallet (SparrowWallet is the best). The mnemonic seed is never ever to be entered into anything but your Coldcard.

bigburneraccts

Honestly should of used an old PC to run a node. But congrats! Should come with instructions

Tricky_Troll

Well let's put it into context here. I am staking from my home PC which I am using to stake from a house in rural NZ for negligible running cost (so please do let me know what other networks are decentralised enough that you can do that with and actually propose blocks yourself). Anyway, I've had 2.7% yield on an asset which: - is less inflation than Bitcoin. - has more usage than any other blockchain. - has a more decentralised validator set than any other chain (this is super important for institutions which really understand the importance of counterparty risk) - Its chain is leading the pack with >$10B in on chain real world assets (RWA) - Its chain is leading the pack with over 2/3rds of stablecoins (>$140B) - Its chain is being built on by Blackrock, the world's largest asset manager has multiple live RWA programs among literally hundreds of other A-grade institutions (check out ethereumadoption dot com if you don't believe me). - Is home to almost all meaningful L1 level innovation, research and development. ZK proving has come an insanely long way in the last year and a fully SNARK-ified EVM (this is the holy grail of blockchain development) is looking almost certain by the end of the decade at this point with many other meaningful hardforks along the way. The fact of the matter is that Ethereum's narrative is much more complex than Bitcoin's. It's just that simple. These things take time. So for now, I'm just buying more of the most credibly neutral, permissionless asset in the world. Before you claim that spot belongs to Bitcoin, compare a graph of staking entities to Bitcoin mining pools. Compare Bitcoin's measly $10B security budget which unsustainably halves every 4 years to Ethereum's >$80B ETH staked. Out of these two, only Ethereum has acknowledged that long-term sustainable network security is more important than a supply cap because if your security budget keeps shrinking just so you can have a supply cap, then one day you won't have the money to secure and enforce that supply cap... So to answer your question, I've never been feeling better!

cfx_4188

In the 2014, you needed a Pentium 4 and a special USB plug that simulated a video card to mine Bitcoin. It took a day or two to earn one Bitcoin. I mined Bitcoin for a while, but then stopped. A few years ago, I remembered my wallet's passphrase and sold all my Bitcoin at the peak price. I think one Bitcoin was worth $107,355 at the time. That was pretty good. Now, I'm just mining Bitcoin for fun on my own node. I'm using an old PC and I'm not expecting anything.

rgmundo524

The problem is that you are using "off the shelf" components. You should replace the PC with an acisc

Masturbating_Beatle

Similar for me but mined 14 and figured they weren't worth the risk of blowing my PC. I was naive and I regret it but life goes on. Yay 9 to 5 work.....

PoisonWaffle3

I mined 5 BTC with my gaming PC in 2011, when BTC was $2-3 USD/BTC. I mined on the Core2 Quad CPU itself, and both GPUs (a Radeon HD 6870 and a Radeon HD 4670), and was part of a mining pool that took 2% off the top and paid out the rest a few times a day. I thought that BTC was going nowhere and sold what I had in my Mt God account for about $10 in November 2011, right before I went to prison for six years. When I got out of prison in 2017 I found that I still had 1.15 BTC left in my wallet.dat on the PC. I moved it to a more modern wallet and sold some of it (at about $10k USD/BTC to help pay fines/debts. I sold some more about five years later at around $60k USD/BTC to help build a house. I still have 0.1 BTC left in that wallet that I don't think I'll ever sell. At the end of 2022 when BTC crashed down to $15k I bought a whole coin and change and have that in another wallet. We're doing pretty great overall, but I really regret selling that BTC at under $3 in 2011 😅

Intrepid-Gas7872

Lookup ‘Bitcoin difficulty adjustment’ If for any reason miners decide to quit, then the average person could mine bitcoin on their home PC again like in 2010.

jawni

>As far a Coinbase wallet it uses your phone or your fingerprint as your "Passkey" and I'm not a big fan of that. I just want a PC desktop wallet with a 12 or 24 word passphrase. Every wallet has some sort of credentials you need to log in, otherwise anyone who got your phone could open the app and empty your wallet. I don't think you're forced to use biometrics either, but if you are, it's likely because a password would be easier to crack anyways. On PC I use Phantom(it supports ETH but I mainly use it for SOL) and Metamask. One wallet I've heard good things about is Family.

never_safe_for_life

The PC was arguably little more than a novelty before it was hooked into the Internet. Aka its utility is proportional to the size of the network it’s a part of.

drunkmax00va

The laptop doesn't have to be old, I only said old because it will be used only for a single purpose (as a cold wallet). Using a USB drive instead of a DVD is fine too, but with USB there's a greater risk that someone could tamper with it and, for example, make the random generator used for creating the seed not random anymore. > What would be the drawbacks if I unplug my PC internet cable and wifi dongle, and boot Tails OS directly from the USB drive? It would probably be just as secure, but since you're doing it on your daily desktop, you can never be 100% sure that nothing unwanted has tampered with your boot process or the operating system you're loading

Born2drink

This is similar to how I am thinking of doing it. You are recommending burning the iso on a DVD, why not use Rufus and a USB drive? And is it important to use an old laptop? What would be the drawbacks if I unplug my PC internet cable and wifi dongle, and boot Tails OS directly from the USB drive?

eharmanli

You're absolutely right — realistically, scanning such huge ranges on a phone isn't practical. Mobile apps like mine are more for learning, experimentation, and exploring how keyhunt-style scanning works. In real-world puzzle-solving, tools like KeyHunt (CPU-based) or BitCrack (CUDA/GPU-based) on desktops are statistically far more capable. **For example:** 📱 Xiaomi Mi 8 Lite → \~100 keys/second 📱 Poco X3 Pro → around 3–4× faster than that (\~300–400 keys/second) On a modern PC with proper GPU support, you can easily reach millions of keys per second. So yeah — the mobile version isn’t for serious cracking, but it helps visualize and test ideas while on the go But hey — maybe you're just *really* lucky 🍀 Might be worth a try, right?

NomadicusRex

15 years ago my ex left my box of MTG cards out to be rained on...I had been playing since revised and had a bunch of dual lands, a mox emerald, a mox pearl, and a beta black lotus that was in playable, but not mint, shape. So...yeah. I was also just learning how bitcoin mining worked, because I had heard about how I could have my gaming PC mine while I wasn't playing Eve Online, and trade the BTC for PLEX. But I was too busy dealing with my ex's shit to do it. Damn I'm glad to be free of her! LOL She was the albatross around my neck!

TonberryHS

Someone *designed* this website? It looks like a malware filled browser on Grandma's PC circa 2002.

riscten

The .mv.db file is the entire wallet information. PSBT means Partially Signed Bitcoin Transactions. Roughly speaking, it's all the information of a single transaction (the amount you want to transfer, the origin and destination addresses, what fee you want to pay miners, plus some other stuff), but it lacks the signature from the private key. The PSBT exists to create a separation between an insecure system (your phone, online PC, etc.) and a secure system (hardware wallet). It is generated on the insecure system, then it is transferred to the hardware wallet, which uses the private key to sign it, and then sent back to the insecure system, which will then broadcast it to the network. In Sparrow you create a PSBT by going to Send, typing in the details of your transaction (Pay to, Amount, Fee), clicking Create Transaction, and then you'll end up on a screen with Save PSBT at the bottom. This only happens if the wallet is watch-only. If you've got a full wallet set up (for instance, you typed the mnemonic into Sparrow) then PSBT is irrelevant as Sparrow already has what it needs to sign transactions. In that case you'll see a big "Finalize Transaction for Signing" button.

riscten

Smaller attack surface than a whole-ass native app. Also it's just more convenient to go to a site rather than download a separate app for every damn service out there. The app then takes storage space on your device, sitting there pushing unwanted notifications. 99% of apps can be implemented as PWAs (Progressive Web App) as they don't need any of the bare metal stuff the native framework offers. And of course once a service is implemented as a web app, it runs on the vast majority of platforms and OSes out there without modification, so you can use them on your phone, laptop, desktop PC, TV, etc, even if the developers didn't necessarily plan for it. Meanwhile native apps need to be built individually for Android, iOS, Windows, Linux, macOS, etc. Anytime I see a service asking to download an app I know they were fleeced into a multi-platform contract by a developer, want to heavily use push notifications as a marketing channel, and/or they want to siphon as much private data as they can.

OCPetrus

I don't think this is accurate. The "secure chips" I've seen are write-only, you can't read the inserted key no matter what firmware is used. The way the secure chips are used is that you send the data to be signed and get the signature out. You're right however that if both the PC and the hardware wallet firmware are compromised, you won't see that the funds were sent to the wrong address.

Illustrious-Pay6341

I haven’t sold a single once since 2010, never needed to. Not gonna start now. My coins are stored in a PC that is far away from me and the seed phrases are stored in pieces in multiple locations that even if I wanted to sell it would physically take at list 24 hours to get to it 🤣

ZedZeroth

No, because the seed can't be pulled off the HWW onto your PC. With a SWW, your seed is on your PC.

Lysergicus

You're correct that it is a vector of attack, but the traditional phrase "air-gapped" just means that the keys never exist on an internet connected device. This goes all the way back to running an old always-offline PC with your private keys and using a USB stick to transfer signed files to a computer or node for broadcast.

DontLook_Weirdo

Pride. Its like people who wear gold chains, or dollar sign clothing. They're proud of what they got. I do agree that showing the world your love for Bitcoin (or any other coin) raises some huge alarms because you are your own bank.. so I wouldn't go past having 1 sticker on my PC that says Bitcoin lol.

PlasticEyebrow

Just realize people always recommend the wallet they use. I have a coldcard Q and I like it a lot. I am sure Jade is really good too. You probably want to look at funcationality, but also depending on how you plan to use. I really wanted an airgapped wallet, to remove the possibility of losing coins through an infected PC. Coldcard also has secure notes and duress pin that I like and use. Maybe Jade has this too.

SmoothGoing

[Trezor Safe 5](https://trezor.io/trezor-safe-5) is very nice to use @ $170. Touch screen, swiping, very smooth. Works with PC wallets and Android wallets. It's the best for daily users. [Coldcard MK4](https://coldcard.com/mk4) @ $168 is great if you want high security, lots of features but not obvious on how to use. It's great if you want to pull it out on rare occasion. The dot matrix looking menus and clicky buttons offer somewhat clunkier usability, i.e. for entering your passphrase. It would take me longer to do the same send function with MK4 VS Safe 5. The more budget option I would also recommend (and own) is [Trezor Safe 3](https://trezor.io/trezor-safe-3) @ $80. Ledger has baggage and Trezor Model One is a decade old, may soon go out of support, no secure element. Look for a more modern wallet with a strong base. All of these options obviously come with top notch safety, secure elements, whole nine yards, not just "looking pretty." Do not get scammed. Do not let anyone set things up for you. Do not lose or reveal your mnemonic to any app or website to "validate" wallet, or "web3" anything, or other nonsense. Read and follow the instructions and user guides.

jonnytitanx

You own a pretty average PC for someone who mqde millions.

Kekkins

that is dead in the price you are right ...but it seems to me that everything is perfectly working, both the blockchain and the mining software if you want to mine with your home PC...even the remaining devs are still active...probably in the future someone will notice if it still works...

steak_tartare

I'm a total noob, but if you keep serious money in crypto isn't a dedicated PC the most secure?

Cryptikick

None of these! lol Just use a regular PC with Debian and Electrum.

Wabusho

Could already be too late if the hacked firmware is able to deliver malware to the host PC but yeah, that too

FussyBirdTV

Maybe this story will make you feel better. In 2010 I had the chance to buy bitcoin when it wasn't even $5 yet. I had $1500 from a recent PC sale and was looking to upgrade. A friend of mine at the time told me to put it in bitcoin because it was "going to be huge". No matter what he tried to tell me I wasn't buying. Safe to say I felt like an idiot the next year..let's not talk about how it makes me feel in hindsight today.

kirtash93

Oh! No no, 2FA is enabled in every account you have and they you have the codes in an app like Google authenticator. Bitwarden is just a password manager that saves your account info (username and password) encrypted with another password that you need to use to open it and be able to use the data inside. It allows you to easily generate a random password for each account. Bitwarden has also 2FA so every time you want to connect to a new device you need to put the password and also the 2FA code that you get in another app like Google Authenticator (advice, never sync this with Google account) for example. For example, when I got hacked 1 year ago and lost all my MOONs, etc because I installed a malware in my PC, the hacker got access to all my passwords even if I had Bitwarden because I had it opened (unencrypted) so they basically cloned the info and got access to everything. Since then I set it to instantly lock(encrypt) after I use it instead of the 5 minutes cooldown I had in that time. Since then I increased my own security, now every password is different for each account (i dont know my own passwords), all accounts have 2FA enabled, I have my 2FA codes in my device and a backup in an old phone just in case to have a way to move fast. I also have an old laptop for crypto stuff like exchanges, etc. I dont use crypto in my personal devices, etc. I basically have my own ATM.

MakCapital

They instructed him to download an "update" from a non official source which is no different than any other phishing attack. The increased sophistication comes from the fact the request came from a "known" contact. Turns out scammers can take their time. All of this is preventable by not trusting DL links in private messages from non official sources or just use a hardware wallet. Why someone would keep a year's salary on a soft wallet is crazy. Why someone would download software from unverified dmed links is also silly. Especially while running 6 soft wallets connected to a ton of value 🤣. With a hardware wallet and sharded seed the attacker can have full control over your PC. Means nothing. They can be in your home & physically steal your seed. Means nothing. Your home can burn down with your seed. Means nothing. The device can be stolen. Means nothing. To summarize: If you own enough digital assets, you can't afford to lose, just buy a damn hardware wallet and shard the seed! They are easy to use and relatively cheap. Don't share your seed and don't sign contracts with same address as your entire savings. That's it. You'll be safe.

unknown6300

Maybe when accepted zoom call had to give access to PC or cell they can clone that too. You accept the link but don't know your clicking on giving them access. House of crypto had something to happen to him. YouTuber.

mreJ

AND I QUOTE, "Don't use Btcrecover tool while your PC is online. People reported it's stealing BTC from wallets." Dude, just edit your original comment and correct your statement to instead say, "MAKE SURE YOU DOWNLOAD FROM THE CORRECT GITHUB. THERE ARE BTCRECOVER IMPOSTERS WITH MALICIOUS CODE WHO WILL STEAL YOUR BTC." Jesus. Your original post is 100% spreading FUD.

WalksOnLego

There is a major flaw in centralised ledgers: UniSuper, an Australian retirement fund for 647,000 members found its entire system deleted by Google Cloud. Just to be clear: *its entire system deleted by Google Cloud.* All of it. Gone. Poof. Accidentally. About $AUD135 billion in retirement fund data. The took a couple of weeks to (thankfully) recover it: >...forcing UniSuper to fall back on an additional backup held at another service provider. All data, accounts, and money were unavailable for two weeks until the full restoration was confirmed by UniSuper on the 15th. >https://www.notebookcheck.net/Google-Cloud-deletes-135-000-000-000-account-for-Australian-UniSuper-retirement-fund-then-takes-two-weeks-to-restore.839174.0.html Everyone in this sub should look to repurpose an old PC as a Bitcoin node.

riscten

"Manual" airgap is definitely not the most convenient, but it makes Bitcoin security accessible to all as all it requires is a PC. It's great for those who don't need to spend Bitcoin often too. If you're only spending once every 2-3 years and just hodling, it makes little sense to buy a state-of-the-art hardware wallet that needs to be kept updated. Writing Tails or even just straight Ubuntu on a USB drive and using that as your airgap is high up there in terms of security and is essentially free. Doing things manually also gets your hands dirty and that helps you acquire a deeper understanding of how all of this works. Any skill that makes you more self-reliant is worth learning, even if you only use it once.

Veggieboy1999

I know, that's what I said. You have to be tech-savvy in order to set up an air-gapped PC correctly and use command-line tools for generating wallets. Most people don't know how to do this and would make mistakes, hence why a hardware wallet is better for most. However, I don't think this means that paper wallets are "dead". If you know what you're doing and use good OpSec then this is a perfectly viable option.

PlasticEyebrow

It eliminates the risk of your coins being stolen through your hacked/infected PC. I'd say that risk is probably small, but could increase in the future. Having said that, to me it is important as I have more peace of mind. I hated having to connect my previous wallet to be able to transact.

Veggieboy1999

My goodness, please don't pay attention to the other comments. Sure, using a hardware wallet is definitely **easier** than creating a paper wallet yourself. However, if you know what you're doing, generating addresses yourself on a PC is the most secure way of holding BTC, as you don't need to trust any hardware wallet manufacturer. What you need to do is set up an air-gapped PC (one that doesn't get connected to the internet) with a secure Linux distribution. The PC doesn't need to be beefy as long as it's in good working order. Then copy over (securely) the necessary programs onto the PC for generating BTC addresses. Then you can boot up your PC and generate new addresses whenever you need. Done. Let me know if you want more specifics on which programs to use.

wh977oqej9

But you can use e.g. Sparrow wallet (checked signature, run on offline PC) to generate keys and print QR codes on paper. But it's stupid way to store the keys, much safer is to engrave seedphrase on steel plate.

eyeohdice

If the words are similair to the 39 word list he shared, then yes that your seed phrase, hoepfully you wrote them inorder, for a wallet, you can install apps for your phone or PC. Bluewallet is safe, you can recover your wallet by following the instructions. Ask for some advice here if you feel worried of anything, dont answer DMs

Veggieboy1999

Remember, you also always have the option of generating addresses on an air-gapped PC. I.e., you don't **need** a hardware wallet, even though the majority probably find it easier to use. Just reminding you that an offline PC is an option.

Less_Swimming_5541

Back when you could mine 200btc in a day,  and didn't because it made your PC hot. Put yourself in perspective, that's how.

neoikon

Yup, going to bring a PC into my casket. #Mine4LifeNDeath

creating_meer

I think the best way to describe the problem is just like how health works for us. Most of people just ignore it, don't work out, never really physically active during their life, to the point it starts to show up, and typically it will be too late when the cracks start to show. Like how drinking alcohol / smoking and every other stuffs in the world, as long as it seems fine the way it is, people just brush it off and go on with life. You don't need to be a doctor to understand that sitting 10h in front of PC while working and go back home to watch series in the sofa and then go to sleep, would sooner or later impact their health. But it absolutely takes time, to bring that awareness to those who don't care about their physical well being, that they finally do something about it. Bitcoin is a really complex system, you need to understand a lot of economic, technology and philosophy of money, before being able to distinguish it. Not everyone would understand it, especially when the matrix is throwing propaganda and try their hardest to keep most people in the dark, and hence the reason why finance is not part of schooling program, despite it being one of the most important aspect of being an adult. Not to say there are tons of shitcoins as well, painting a bad picture towards BTC, despite it not having anything to do with one another at all.

Veggieboy1999

Hey there. You've already got a lot of other comments, so the only thing I'll add is just a *reminder* that you don't **need** a hardware wallet for cold storage. It's perfectly viable to set up an air-gapped PC (no internet connection) with the right software on it for generating Bitcoin addresses. Admittedly, though, signing transactions like this is a pain, so it's only a good choice for long-term storage. For most people, though, a hardware wallet is probably the better choice given its ease-of-use, but I just wanted to point out that you don't **need** one for cold storage. Happy HODLing!

ToTheBatmobileGuy

Yubikey 5C NFC has many features and two methods of use: Methods of use: 1. USB (plug it into a PC or device) 2. NFC (tap it to a NFC reader on your smartphone etc) Features: 1. FIDO based authentication (aka "Security Key" or "Passkeys") 2. Static password (Yubikey turns into a keyboard momentarily and will type any password you tell it to (there are limits). Anyone with the Yubikey can access this password by tapping it.) 3. Time based one time codes (the 6 digit codes that rotate every 30 seconds) 4. OpenPGP 5. PIV 6. HSM 4 to 6 are irrelevant to you. Currently the smartphone Yubico Authenticator App can't modify static passwords, so to use this feature you will need a PC or Macbook of some kind. This leaves you with 1 or 3. 3 will be used with the Smartphone App. You swipe down on the screen and it will ask for an NFC tap. Tapping will show all the codes stored in the Yubikey unless you checked the "must tap to show" button when adding the account. To add an account, tap the button in the corner and tap "Add account"... scan the QR code or paste in the secret for the time based 2FA, and it will ask you to tap the NFC. Then it will store the secret on the key. You need to tap the NFC every time a new code is displayed (every 30 seconds) but you will almost always just input the first code you see so it's not needed to tap more than once usually. For 1, you need to register the FIDO key ("Passkey" / "Security Key") with a site. If you would like to use the Yubikey as a "Passkey"... then in the Yubico Authenticator Smartphone app you must open the options menu, and click "Change PIN" under "FIDO"... tap the key, enter the new PIN twice, then tap the key again to set the PIN. This PIN will be needed when you use the Yubikey as a "Passkey". Coinbase can register the Yubikey as a Passkey (ie. only the Yubikey tap + Yubikey PIN is needed to login to Coinbase) or a Security Key (ie. the Security Key tap + your Coinbase password is needed to login)... Each website lets you register the Yubikey in different ways. Explore the various websites and figure it out. You can not use a Yubikey to store crypto keys. Some Crypto wallets might have security key / Passkey based 2nd authentication, but you can't store a crypto wallet's private keys directly on the Yubikey. (Some wallets have a multisig setup where the static private key inside the Yubikey can be used as one of the signers, but this is too advanced for most people).

Veggieboy1999

You can check your balances on any online [Block Explorer](https://blockchair.com) using your wallet address. Regarding 10 different wallets - I think this is total overkill. If you want 10 different addresses to be totally separate from one another, you technically don't even need a hardware wallet for this - you could just set up an air-gapped PC and generate 10 different addresses, and note down the private key for each. If you do want to use a hardware wallet, though, then I would, indeed, suggest your second method of using the same wallet. Remember, though, that hardware wallets these days create Hierarchical Deterministic wallets. These have a master seed phrase, and generate a tree of addresses from this single seed phrase.

ignominiousDog

Place it in a PC floppy drive and transfer it to your bank account

atheistololo

Python + chatgpt/gemini, PC. Try with random seed known phase. Then go offline and do with yours. You will get 8855 combinations, you have to try them all. If you want to do it online, try with bait seed phase with few sats. Any help outside my comment - lost btc.

Goranbbb

Quick and easy guide on setting up a Mini PC as a dedicated sovereign computer server that can run a Bitcoin node, Lightning node, secure your passwords, and be your own cloud storage. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXVgGLaEEwc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXVgGLaEEwc)

-AgitoMakishima-

Oh I remember…. That PC is long gone as well as anything I had saved on the hard drives.

Veggieboy1999

Yes, you are correct. It's perfectly viable to generate an address (or addresses) on an air-gapped PC and note down private keys or a seed phrase. The main issues with this - for the average user - are: 1. It's a bitch to set up. 2. It's easy to make mistakes. 3. It's a bitch to sign transactions securely. That's why most people opt for a hardware wallet. By all means, going the full-paper route isn't necessarily a bad idea for long-term cold storage, but just make sure you know what you're doing when generating addresses.

No_Peanut4869

Yeah, it's hard to bear all the pickaxe noises coming from the PC

ArthurBurtonMorgan

Imagine a desktop tower PC from 2008-2009 or so running 100% across both CPU cores 24/7. Fans screaming at full speed incessantly. That’s not tolerable for most people, as most people expect their machines to be whisper quiet the majority of the time.

Veggieboy1999

Other comments are good, but I just want to remind you that you don't *need* a hardware wallet in order to have a cold wallet. You *could* set up an air-gapped (offline) PC and generate an address (or addresses) there, and note down the private keys somewhere safe. For most people, owning a hardware wallet is probably simpler, but remember that it's not a *necessity*.

Prestigious_Long777

100% invest in getting more income, because more income = more BTC. 200$/ month ? Bro if you have a PC and internet you’d make more playing Runescape than working. Find that side hussle to earn your BTC.

Sin-City-Sinner

Oh so we will read about you and see you on the news tonight then right troll? The world’s first trillionaire hahahahaha, more like the guy who’s has the most….. idle time on their hands cause to post crap like this is just sad and pathetic. Probably doesn’t even have a crypto exchange on his phone of PC 🤣

Veggieboy1999

For anyone else reading this, remember that generating a paper wallet offline is piss-easy if you have the [`bitcoinlib`](https://pypi.org/project/bitcoinlib/) (or similar packages) package installed. You can ask ChatGPT to write a < 20 line Python script (or follow examples online to write it yourself) to spit out a BTC address, and then just note down the private key. Of course, this should ideally be done on an air-gapped PC. OP, with regards to her Bitcoin, I would suspect she might have leaked the private key when she tried to claim it. My experience has been that people who don't know much about crypto do not understand how very secure the private key must be kept. I gave someone a little BTC on paper the other day (private key + address) and they couldn't shake the idea that they had to - for some reason - put in the "password" (private key) somewhere online to access their Bitcoin. I pray their BTC stays safe...

Crypto-Guide

BTCRecover can easily handle it if you have just thrown in a few extras, done a couple of swaps or are missing some words. You can see the docco here: [https://btcrecover.readthedocs.io/en/latest/](https://btcrecover.readthedocs.io/en/latest/) (Just be sure to only ever run it on a totally offline PC) That said, if you have two 24 word seeds that are completely scrambled, you have caused an unrecoverable loss.

unitsperhour

Every person can do what they want with their money and then I don't consider trading "more noble" than gambling. To transfer or swap them lately I have been using an app that I knew well and they presented it at an event, very convenient because it can be accessed from a smartphone, tablet, PC by entering the email and receiving an OTP, at the beginning I had some doubts but I must say that I am very happy with it. *betting advice: Never bet on basketball and tennis, it's like betting on a cryptoscam, same things.

excelance

I'm running Knots. If you have any PC that's on the majority of the time it takes less then 10-minutes to download and setup. I have a media server that's now also running a Knot node. Feels good to support Bitcoin. Also, if the blockchain size is a problem, you can run a trimmed chain and constrain it to a set size.

Bubble_2009C

Every real bitcoiner must own a node. Only who have a node can say to other bitcoiner: Not your key, not your coin. Mine BTC with a PC is quite impossible in 2025, you can only mine shitcoin and get paid in satoshi.

Moistinterviewer

You mine shitcoin for people that rent the PC out, you get paid in BTC. I’ll say that this is a legitimate cheat code to get cheap BTC in the UK in winter as the rigs produce a good amount of heat, normal heaters do not produce BTC, rigs or asics do.

NiagaraBTC

Mining with a PC you wouldn't even make £4 in a decade.

Terhonator

Ok. My last comment to this thread. How many people in your hometown today use online banking to pay let's say an electricity bill? As long as you have access to internet connection you can buy bitcoin from any PC or mobile phone with internet connection - you just need bank that offers online banking service. Why not just offer internet and computer for people? Like old school internet cafe.

Kooky-Sense4165

Exactly, over 95% of so-called Bitcoiners have never used an ATM. The point isn’t that everyone needs an ATM, it’s that many in Africa don’t have reliable internet or banking access to buy Bitcoin from a PC. ATMs are just one practical way to expand real, on-the-ground access where infrastructure is limited.

Terhonator

The real solution is reliable online banking, not ATM machine. I am bitcoiner and I havent EVER used ATM machine. I buy bitcoin using my PC.

penty

Same.. didn't want (stupidly) to burn out my gaming PC for only 50 coins every few days. Did start the hodl thru purchasing late 2012 early 2013.

StonksPeasant

Youre not going to mine with your PC. You need an ASIC

OldPyjama

I was thinkibg: in summer we have a surplus of energy in the house pretty much every day due to our solar panels which goes to waste. Wouldnt it ve a good idea to use this surplus for mining? Or will it fry my PC?

Charming-Designer944

Someone had to mine to keep the network running. At that time you easily mined on a standard PC. And earned 50 BTC for every block mined. With maybe 5 people mining 24/7 it was unavoidable to collect a lot of coins. But the value also was nothing.

wh977oqej9

It doesn't upload anything. It just creates key pairs, that are then used to sign a TX, whis IS broadcasted to network using software on PC or phone.

ExcitableSarcasm

Not a tech guy, but aren't hard drives effectively immortal until they crap out on you? When I built my PC last year I basically just took my HDD from my old PC and used it as a second drive (SSD + this)

Veggieboy1999

Other comments here are on-point, but just remember that you don't *need* a hardware wallet. There is always the option of setting up an air-gapped PC with the necessary programs for generating wallets, and then writing down private keys and/or seed phrases and storing these extremely securely. I'm not saying this is better - for most people a hardware wallet is probably a safer choice - but I think it's good to know you have the option.

Veggieboy1999

People use Hierarchical Deterministic (HD) wallets nowadays, where you have a single master seed phrase from which an entire tree of addresses can be derived. Thus, you can keep on generating new addresses to which you can receive BTC, all based on the initial master seed phrase. For some this might be overkill. If you're not awfully worried about traceability you can create a single address on an air-gapped PC using the appropriate software, note down the private key and then accumulate BTC at that address over time.

MaintenanceSafe5444

Yeah I'm like 50k into a PC I bought 5 years ago with Bitcoin. Feels great. Still have it, in storage. Played some games and stuff. Yay.

Glass_Ground5214

just drop this and use your own sniper man, run it on your PC and control/customise everything... see more at r/cryptobots_dev ❤

lifeanon269

That's a ridiculous analogy here. It isn't just about code review. It doesn't matter if the code base is 99%+ from bitcoin core. It is about who controls and maintains the codebase you're running on your node. In that case, 100% of the code you're running is maintained and controlled by a singular person. Even if you trust that person as a human, it is still controlled by that singular individual meaning it is a potential single point of security failure for that codebase. That singular individual could one day become corrupt or have a change in heart. Or that singular individual could, as I mentioned, have their development PC unknowingly compromised (as has happened in the past) and now an attacker has 100% control of the code repo that you're depending on for releases. Wanting any large percentage of the bitcoin network to be running software maintained and controlled by a singular individual is asinine. Go ahead and ask Luke if you could be a co-maintainer or why there aren't others with maintainer access on his project and see what he says. That should tell you everything you need to know. Saying I'm dense for pointing out this obvious and massive security risk is just unproductive.

FcoFdz

Title had me thinking OP bought a used PC and found the end of the rainbow…

Glass_Ground5214

just use a real sniper not those third party tools... see my creation at [r/cryptobots\_dev](https://www.reddit.com/r/cryptobots_dev/) which you can run on your own PC with all kinds of token safety features built in

Glass_Ground5214

just use a real sniper not those third party tools... see my creation at [r/cryptobots\_dev](https://www.reddit.com/r/cryptobots_dev/) which you can run on your own PC with all kinds of token safety features built in

long-da-schlong

Where do you recommend buying PC parts from now?

LeMelion

You're completely broken. First, you just bought yourself a PC, but you wanted to keep hodling. Now you want to buy a car, a house tomorrow, and in a few years, you'll be wondering where all your money went.

SupermarketGreen8203

Expensive PC and expensive car, at least later when you're looking at BTC at a million. Best wishes either way.

SmoothGoing

[Trezor Safe 5](https://trezor.io/trezor-safe-5) is very nice to use @ $170. Touch screen, swiping, very smooth. Works with PC wallets and Android wallets. It's the best for daily users. [Coldcard MK4](https://coldcard.com/mk4) @ $168 is great if you want high security, lots of features but not obvious on how to use. It's great if you want to pull it out on rare occasion. The dot matrix looking menus and clicky buttons offer somewhat clunkier usability, i.e. for entering your passphrase. It would take me longer to do the same send function with MK4 VS Safe 5. The more budget option I would also recommend (and own) is [Trezor Safe 3](https://trezor.io/trezor-safe-3) @ $80. Ledger has baggage and Trezor Model One is a decade old, may soon go out of support, no secure element. Look for a more modern wallet with a strong base. All of these options obviously come with top notch safety, secure elements, whole nine yards, not just "looking pretty." Do not get scammed. Do not let anyone set things up for you. Do not lose or reveal your mnemonic to any app or website to "validate" wallet, or "web3" anything, or other nonsense. Read and follow the instructions and user guides.

LivingMost6082

Hold your stack. In five years you'll regret the PC. Everything you're selling is going to BlackRock, and they won't sell it back to you later.

sharnox

And here I was thinking you bought a second hand PC that had BTC on its hard drive..

Alone-Emergency2341

I miss read I thought you found and bought a PC with Bitcoin in it I was excited for a second. Not very interesting using your stats for some thing less than 🤦

Embarrassed-Fuel-654

Yes, that's what I thought too; that he'd found a bunch of bitcoin on the old PC that he'd bought! Still a nice story, and glad he's happy with his investment/ purchase.

Ordinary_Ad_7395

Thought you bought a used PC with Bitcoin on it. LOL, this is less exciting.

riscten

Fantastic! You're not betraying the HODL mindset if you spend and replace, it's actually super healthy for Bitcoin as it strengthens its value as a currency. Just use the fiat you would've used to buy that PC to buy Bitcoin now.

atomwide

I honestly thought you bought a used PC with someone's wallet.dat in it.

getothemax

That's what I did a couple of years ago and now I'm looking at my old PC that ISN'T worth $33,000 and crying...

Aazimoxx

>Once they crack the encryption, they can consolidate funds from all old wallets virtually overnight No, they would have to blindly generate the private key for each address one by one. To crack a single bitcoin address' private key, in one year, would take 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times the combined power of every quantum computer, supercomputer, laptop, PC, smartphone and IoT device on Earth right now. And we wouldn't be able to game or anything while we're waiting, it would suck 😂 It will take an advance we can't foresee to get QC scaling massively, but there's no telling whether that'll be next year or 10 years from now. It'll happen eventually though, barring an apocalypse, so we (well, smarter people than us) need to get the network ready. 🤓

SadHappypotamus

For a second I thought you bought a PC that INCLUDED Bitcoins