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crunchyeyeball

Where/when/how did you buy bitcoin to put in the wallet? Unless you somehow paid cash, your bank statements should tell you where you transferred money to & when. I'd suggest you start there. That should at least give you an idea of the time period, and might indicate an exchange you may still have an account with. Are you sure you had an actual wallet? Was it on a PC, a phone? or some dodgy website?

protoman86

I traded my moons from this sub for NANO on that app some guy here made. Sold that and bought a PC 😅. I didn’t use it aside from that but the one or two transactions I did with it were the fastest of all cryptos I’ve tried. Sad to see it die.

GazelleIntelligent89

Congratulations! This kind of thing is the best case scenario.  I used to bitcoin mine around 2011/2012. I had a reasonable GPU at the time and remember leaving my PC on for about 6 months straight in a mining group. For some reason I forgot about it and lost my wallet information. I have no idea if the wallet still exists because it wasn't a physical one was online as part of the mining group but every time I've tried to find it, I've failed. I've tried to figure out how much I had in there because in my mind I had about $50-60 worth at the time which would obviously be several bitcoin now. Finding it now would be the best case scenario because if I'd held onto it I would almost certainly sold whenever it hit the first significant breakpoint and only made a few hundred or potentially few thousand dollars. One can dream but I'm not too cut up about it because I literally have no idea how much I have in there, it could be very little. 

Equivalent_Ranger753

This is an AI generated response from Brave’s Leo. Sorry if any of this is redundant Recovering Bitcoin from old Android phones without a PIN, password, or seed phrase is extremely difficult and often impossible, especially if the device cannot be accessed or rooted safely. Since Schildbach Bitcoin Wallet (now known as Bitcoin Wallet) stored private keys locally on the device, your only chance lies in successfully extracting the wallet data file (wallet.protobuff or similar) from the phone’s internal storage without wiping it. Step-by-step instructions Prerequisites The original Android phone(s) with the wallet still intact. A computer (preferably running an older OS like Windows 7 or Linux, due to driver compatibility). USB debugging enabled (if previously activated). Knowledge of ADB (Android Debug Bridge) and fastboot tools. Potentially, a working battery and functional USB port on the old device. Recovery Steps Try enabling USB debugging (if not already): If the phone boots normally and you can access settings, go to Settings > Developer options and enable USB debugging. If Developer Options is locked or inaccessible, this path may not be available. Connect the phone to a compatible PC: Use a original or high-quality USB cable. Try multiple USB ports and PCs if possible. Install legacy Android USB drivers (e.g., from Google or the phone manufacturer for 2010-era devices). Use ADB to pull wallet data (if USB debugging is on): Install Android SDK Platform Tools. Run: adb devices adb pull /data/data/de.schildbach.wallet/files/wallet.protobuff (Path may vary slightly depending on wallet version.) If successful, import this file into a modern Bitcoin wallet that supports legacy formats. If USB debugging is off and the phone is locked: Your only option is to gain root or recovery access without wiping data. Look for device-specific exploits from 2010–2013 that allow temporary root or recovery mode without data loss (e.g., via unrevoked, SuperOneClick, or GingerBreak). Try booting into custom recovery (like ClockworkMod) if previously installed. Use Android Studio or ADB in recovery mode (advanced): Boot into recovery (usually Volume Up + Power). If ADB works in recovery, try pulling the /data partition. Note: Most stock recoveries do not support ADB; custom ones do. Consider professional data recovery services: Some specialists focus on mobile forensic recovery and may extract chip data directly (e.g., via JTAG or chip-off methods), though this is costly and not guaranteed. Once wallet file is retrieved: Use the original Bitcoin Wallet app or compatible software to open the file. Transfer funds to a new, secure wallet immediately. ⚠️ Warning: Any attempt that involves flashing, factory resetting, or improper rooting may permanently erase your wallet data. Proceed with extreme caution.

Dependent_Book_2905

**(Its from gemini, but it should work)** **Phase 1: Environment Setup (Bypass Windows 11)** **Windows 11 hates 2010-era Android USB drivers. Instead of fighting with Windows registry fixes and broken unsigned drivers, use a Linux environment.** **1. Get a USB Drive: Create a bootable Ubuntu Linux live USB using a tool like Rufus.** **2. Boot Into Linux: Boot your PC into Ubuntu directly from the USB (choose "Try Ubuntu" so it doesn't install over your PC's hard drive). Linux has native, legacy driver support built into the kernel for almost every 2010-era phone and will recognize H-Boot/Fastboot/ADB instantly without installing drivers.** **Phase 2: The Non-Destructive "Android Backup" Trick** **Before trying any aggressive rooting methods, try the native Android Backup utility via ADB (Android Debug Bridge). This feature was designed to back up app data to a computer without root, and early versions of the Schildbach wallet did not block it.** **1. On your phone, go to Settings > Applications > Development and enable USB Debugging.** **2. Connect the phone to your Linux PC.** **3. Open a Linux terminal and install ADB:** **⁠sudo apt update && sudo apt install android-tools-adb⁠** **4. Verify the connection:** **⁠adb devices⁠ (It should show a string of numbers).** **5. Run the backup command specifically targeting the wallet app:** **⁠adb backup -f wallet\_backup.ab -noapk de.schildbach.wallet⁠** **6. Look at your phone screen. If it asks you to confirm the backup, leave the password field blank and hit "Back up my data".** **If this creates a ⁠wallet\_backup.ab⁠ file on your computer that is larger than 0 bytes, you've won. We can unpack that ⁠.ab⁠ file on your PC to extract the wallet keys.** **Phase 3: The Safe Rooting Path (If ADB Backup Fails)** **If the backup trick doesn't work and you absolutely must root the device to browse the file system, you have to use an exploit that targets temporary root in the running operating system, rather than unlocking the bootloader.** **Since you mentioned Unrevoked, you are likely dealing with an HTC device from the Android 2.1 to 2.3 era (like the HTC Desire, Evo 4G, or Incredible).** **Solving the H-Boot Driver Issue in Linux** **If Unrevoked or other tools require the phone to be in H-Boot/Fastboot mode, Linux will bypass the Windows 11 driver block.** **Once the phone is in H-Boot, open your Linux terminal and type ⁠fastboot devices⁠.** **If it shows your device, Linux sees it perfectly, and you can safely proceed with legacy tools.** **Alternative Zero-Risk Exploits** **Because the phone is running a version of Android from 2010-2011, it is vulnerable to ancient software exploits that grant temporary root access without wiping data.** **SuperOneClick or GingerBreak: These were desktop tools used back then that exploited the Android OS while it was turned on. They do not wipe data.** **ADB Sideloading an Exploit: If you can interact with ADB, older exploits like ⁠zergRush⁠ or ⁠rageagainstthecage⁠ can be pushed to the ⁠/data/local/tmp⁠ folder to trigger temporary root, allowing you to copy the wallet file manually.** **Phase 4: What You Are Looking For** **Once you either extract the backup or gain temporary root access, navigate to:** **⁠/data/data/de.schildbach.wallet/files/⁠** **You are looking for a file named ⁠bitcoin-wallet-backup⁠ or ⁠bitcoin-wallet-decrypted⁠.** **Early versions of Schildbach's wallet did not encrypt this by default. You can open this file in a text editor on your PC. It will contain a string of text that looks like a raw private key (often starting with a ⁠5⁠ for unencrypted keys) or a master seed sequence.**

rorood123

Hope you’ve air-gapped that PC! (And your wife isn’t on here wondering why meeting her wasn’t your second best experience of your life!)

rjzerpab

I just need $1,000 in BTC just to get a new PC That's all I need for work. bc1qhstj47v9evkw83ekjsw3yca3fe6hw5un2vj6pq

poginmydog

Owning cryptocurrency isn’t illegal in China. Buying, selling, trading is illegal. Mining at small scale is legal as well, meaning small amounts of XMR mining on your home PC is perfectly fine. The ownership and possession of cryptocurrency in China is perfectly legal and they are viewed as property.

clutchtho

5 years in crypto, no way you were mining much with your gaming PC 5 years ago, if anything at all lmao anyways, highly recommend owning bitcoin over any other alts. 38% BTC is fine at your age. You're young and it's the time to be risk on. But you should continue to DCA normal investment tools to decrease that 38% of time.

Zestyclose_Paint3922

I’m a geek and have been PC gaming for almost 30 years. So around 2011 I got some information about this thing that might be used as money and just recently somehow got validation as it got a real value of one dollar per unit. Yep, a bitcoin just got to $1 and some gamer friends where deciding about spending 100 dollars each on it which would have gotten me around 100 bitcoin. By that time 100 would get you another level gpu so non of us ended up not buying anything.

Oaker_at

I was talking with my dad about crypto a few days ago, during that conversation I remembered that I was mining some ETH und BTC back when it wasn’t really popular yet. Forgot about it, sold the PC. Was around 2015 or 2016, when ETH released. I wonder how much I did mine back then.

Rich4477

Back when Bitcoin was just starting out and you could mine on your PC I was setting it up but then decided not to mine.  FML!!

yesdaddy_____

I could try to use a card reader adapter (the one that fits an SD card into a larger card) on my laptop, would that suffice? I had a SD card port on my other PC but the power supply shot a fire ball into the sky. (The power supply blew up)

Different-Result-859

No doubt it is there in the internal storage. But it could be there in the SD card too, if you ever clicked backup wallet in the app. Since phone is dead, I think it is faster to check the SD card especially if you have a reader to plug it into PC

Different-Result-859

Pretty sure I can help you. Read the SD card on your PC. Put it in a card reader and look for a file named like bitcoin-wallet-backup-2012-… (no extension), in the Download folder or the card's root. Once you have that, you can recover the wallet easily

K4k4shi

Can you add JPY as a currency? 24 hour volume, Price chart is not working for me in PC

crunchyeyeball

As an exchange, Kraken is pretty solid, especially if you use limit orders for the best rates. For wallets, any of the those listed in the [faq/wiki](https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinBeginners/comments/g42ijd/faq_for_beginners/) over on /r/BitcoinBeginners will do the job. The best choice depends on your circumstances (hardware versus software, phone vs. PC vs. Mac).

GaRGa77

How big is your hard drive if you have a PC ?

BruceAENZ

I just had my view in Yahoo Finance (I know, but it’s all I can get on my locked down work PC) tell me it was 60,771, freeze, than immediately refresh at 63,015. With no wick to 60,771 showing.

Extreme-Package-5156

BTCPay required a node. But get something simple like Umbrel or Start9 on a mini PC and it is as simple as setting up some channels for inbound liquidity and you have your own way of accepting payments in bitcoin on lightning on on chain. Im am happy to open up a channel to you for inbound liquidity!

PapugKingTFT

The only people who actually got rich with bitcoin are those who were memeing It very very early on When it just arrived and You mine It on personal PC Or those who bought it under 1000$ Anything else is smoking Oh wow! You doubled your investments cus you were gambling? Impressive, let Me high five Your great accomplishments zzz

Oddworld777

This is a COMICAL question given the comment you're responding to and the irony abounds in a post generally regarding how someone makes money/performs in a market. Your comment lower down makes the way you're asking this like some condescending gotcha question all the more embarrassing for you. If you don't understand, just ask, don't be a twerp about it. It's literally basic economics and Monetary Systems material. Like are you trying to compare gold because you don't think it produces tangible outputs? In your comment below you're literally stuck on "Gold produces goods". You're literally touching the screen of a device or hitting the keys on the keyboard of a PC that has gold in it that a company had to buy to produce that good. Gold has utility. It's a commodity on top of a store of value. It has desirable conduction or insulation properties in multiple areas (electric currents, radioactivity, thermal conduction/insulation). It doesn't rust/tarnish/corrode/otherwise oxidize. It's highly malleable, ductile, and is easily soldered. On top of/because of that, it gets used as an input in a gajillion key industries as a raw material. This means it gets consumed for its utility on top of bought and stored for value. In terms of use as a store of value, it's both a wartime transaction medium and a backstop if your currency is devalued. If you're at war/in an armed conflict, you still need things from other countries. Some commodities you will need significantly more in wartime than peace periods. It's not only a lot easier to move a bunch of physical gold if needed than a bunch of bank transactions in a banking system that might be obliterated, but it can literally be a physical settlement transaction. It also retains it's global market demand versus a wartime country's currency. In general wartime economies have increased currency, banking, and stability risk. If Country A is at war and needs something from Country B, it's generally a lot safer for Country B to take settlement in a precious metal, non-currency store of value, or Commodity with high utility. Gold is all three. If you're a country experienced currency volatility or outright destabilization, you still need to be able to settle debts and pay for imports needed at the national level from other countries amongst other things. I'm not taking your bullshit destabilized currency, but if you can pay me in gold, which is basically equivalent to a Level 1 Financial Instrument in the Fair Value Hierarchy, then I'm going to take physical settlement no problem. If countries buy and hold Gold Bullion for the above reason, that means the finite amount of gold on earth is further pinched on the supply side for demand sources that use it to produce a litany of consumer and industrial goods all of which have their own demand sources which means price has stability and growth. So yeah the comment you're replying to is right. Have fun building your microchips with your Cryptocurrency raw material. Have fun substituting cryptocurrency for Gold in things that need zero corrosion materials or circuitry. Enjoy typing on your computer with chips and circuitry made out of your physical buttcoin. GTFO of here with this.

Local_Math_5512

What are you on? Did you miss the point? This was the crux of my argument for why the value needs to be in the store platform and not in the game. Steam, for example, is one of the largest PC game distribution platforms. Imagine steam had a token. To use your example of GTA dollars. Players would try and compete for GTA dollars while the game is hot and has a lot of active users but they would convert those GTA dollars on the regular to steam tokens because they know popularity of GTA might fade. Eventually a new game would come out and they could use those steam tokens to buy new games and new game tokens and the cycle would continue. If you want to create an actual gaming economy on blockchain then the long term main value needs to be through the game distribution platform rather than the in-game tokens.

SevereCalendar7606

This is pretty cool. Good job. I'll mine on my PC browser when I get home. If your still fresh in the code bring your own keys would be a nice touch. How does it treat mining behind a VPN. pub key: 8b2f276c65890b5a73f95a18fdacf4ad1a97c867f37f5f3d05025f0d70f8e27f

Only_Writing5308

How do I open my wallet from another PC? e7deb56e59c5fabb0e99f252fb0ae6bf7a9f5831a4eee455ec8ecf2c5561dff3

Flat-Ocean

He's dead.  He had his keys on a PC that crashed, with no backup and rage quit.  Who knows? Lots of potential reasons that he is not the world's greatest HODLer

MichaelMJTH

During the COVID era I did some mining on my personal gaming PC whilst working from home. I stopped when the cost electricity shot up in Europe (because it would no longer be cost effective), and put my funds in a Nexo account. I sold half of it 2024 at $70k right before the prices shot to the moon. Earlier this week I sold the rest of it at $70k right before this crash. Coincidence in timing in both cases, but seeming perfectly balanced to miss a boom and now a bust.

Numerous_Ruin_4947

You can save it as a mpv file on a PC but then you'll have to convert it to gif. I wanted to do the same thing, lol!

Agitated-Bird-4333

I remember going to the Bitcoin faucet website. I don't remember the name. It had a large faucet with coins dropping. They were free. All I had to do was download and save them on my PC. I thought, meh, and left the site.

procabiak

AI isn't making any actual profit either. only NVIDIA the shovel dealer is. It's even more speculative than bitcoin. It's only a matter of when they will collapse, not if. And when they do collapse, one or both of these two things will happen: 1/ AI data centres shut down and sell all the GPUs for cheap. Only loss leaders will be willing to stick around, meanwhile AI is slowly becoming home PC friendly due to open source. Why pay $180~240/yr when the market is about to be flooded with second hand GPUs you might be able to snag for $500 on eBay and you can run your own AI with full privacy for many years to come. 2/ AI data centres (especially ones stuck on a commercial rea lease contract) will fill it up with the next best thing: Bitcoin miners. GPUs will be converted to shitcoin miners and you stall yourself from flooding the second hand gpu market (lower supply = retains higher markup price for longer). If you're bleeding money, you may as well bleed less money.

Kekkins

you have already mined eth then you already know the basics and if you have a pc desktop or laptop with a GPU that doesn't suck at all you can obviously try mining with the GPU again...if you go to the website whattomine.com there is a long list of coins that you can mine with the GPU...among the first is Vertcoin which is the most interesting and easy to mine with its software that even a monkey could use...just go to vertcoin.org and download One-Click miner, literally 2 clicks and you are already mining (put the exception on the antivirus as with all mining software obviously)...you can use the PC without problems while mining in the background, probably the Vertcoin mining is so light that you can even play games without noticing drops in fps...just try...

foegra

I'm buying a mini miner PC now 

xxALLARKxx

1. No one did, you could mine Bitcoin on a PC by just running the software. 50 BTC every 10 minutes to whoever won the block. It was like winning fun tokens for letting your PC run. 2 & 3. Search the sub 4. So you know nothing about Bitcoin, its obvious, are you some kind of karma farming bot ?

MinimalGravitas

Your best option is to use a Safe multisig, with signers set up on different devices running different (open source) wallet software. All that can be done for free, assuming you have at least some of the following: a phone, a laptop, a PC, someone you trust to be a keyholder. With a multisig you can set the number of signers required to confirm a transaction, for example 2 of 3, and this protects you in multiple ways, but basically: if one of your devices is hacked or infected with a keylogger or whatever they can't get your funds; and if you lose a device or one gets stolen then you can still get your funds. This is how basically all OGs, DAOs, DeFi treasuries etc etc manage their funds.

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Forymanarysanar

Biggest issue is that you will cause your PC components degradation at much faster rate and in the end 1 dollar per day at most you'll get from it will not be worth it

noddingacquaintance

They are asking you if you intend to repurpose the old PC in order to mine btc, OR use the old PC to run a btc network node, two different things requiring different hardware to perform their work.

Brettanomyces78

I don't either. What, exactly, is like a PC with mining software?

qwertyuiop121314321

Your not going to be able to mine bitcoin from an old PC that came from work.

not420guilty

Start small, use your existing PC cpu to mine Monero. Only If that works out well invest in mini g hardware

Defenestrate69

I did the same man. When I was in college got my PC all set up with my 580 and did the math and it was t going to cover the electrical costs… but this was when coins were worth a few hundred bucks…

baller4ever87

All good man! And yeah just a typo not including the “and” between memory and storage. But to kind of answer your question, SanDisk does make SSD’s, the SSD in my gaming PC is from SanDisk

Not_A_Casual

Oh man you are really gives me lols. You said “memory storage” as if memory storage is a thing and not two separate things that’s what I’m laughing sorry man maybe it’s just a typo and I really do apologize I think I’m being a dick I need to real it back and be more respectful I’m sorry. It just really bothers me when people call these companies that make integrated circuits AI companies. Certainly a large part of their customer base is AI but they did the same thing 10 years ago and barely any of their total addressable market was AI. Micron has made flash memory products for years so like the RAM in a PC for example and they also make flash storage products which is like your SSDs or even motherboards or similar devices have little nand chips which are relatively quick accessible storage for processors’. Sandisk I believe only makes flash storage. These companies are used for all types of applications. Of course and as you know AI companies are amount their suggest customer as they are needed for the massive data centers. Again sorry for being a dick.

mabradshaw02

Mined bitcoin on a PC for funzies, in 2013 timeframe cuz a buddy was doing it. Had a few dozen, don't recall how many, then PC died, didn't bother to save the HDD... Then got into Bitcoin trading/mining again in 2016. Then got upside down trading a few times, mining was a losing proposition at that time. Off/On mining and trading, overall, up 10k... but never what I should have been since I'm in IT and tech is my life.

myshark

Thought the same thing at the time. Funny enough to mine btc, satoshi put an executable on source forge. Could literally download it, click generate, and you were off to the races. Created a wallet.dat folder on your PC. 0 configuration or tech skills needed.

ryman9000

Parents throwing shit away without asking is a major pet peeve. I swear this is a story I've heard many times. "had bitcoin, parents tossed PC" like fuck dude... Sorry that happened to ya.

Bitcoinsnailposting

I had a wallet of 400 BTC from back in 2010. I went to college for a semester and PC (an old Dell) was put in the barn by my mom. By 2014 I wanted the computer back because I thought I hit it big. My mom had thrown it away.

NewBGenesis

Rules of life for Technology: 1.Watch what links you follow, if you follow a link, it should be something you prompted yourself from the legit site. 2. Be cautious of who calls you if it's unknown. If you have to Verify information, via call, Hang up if they called you. Be cautious when giving any info. 3. DON'T SIGN NON- KNOWN PACKAGES. If you're not expecting a huge package don't sign it. Dont sign for small items or small mall. 4.You can keep your sensitive info in a central location as long as it's not used publicly and socially(if you like comment or share,dont do it on that account you have on that platform. Nobody can hack an account that they don't know about unless they hack your device all together. Only works well on mobile devices, never do this on PC due to easier to get Viruses) 5. Never answer with your normal voice and response if you don't know who it is. Do an accent because people can steal and mimick your voice.

MysticalMiggy

Because human nature doesn't work that way for beginners, man. If you don't have the discipline to let a demo trade play out, you will literally find yourself logging back into the app every 2 minutes on your phone, getting anxious, and deleting the OCO order manually anyway. The physical ability to interfere is the real enemy here. He needs to transition to a strict "one trade per day" rule, win or lose, and shut down the PC.

DD4LIFE8

Nope, can’t say I’m in the same situation because I never invest more than I can afford to lose. Therefore I don’t find myself in a situation of needing to sell at a loss. I also diversify so I have options. Max out both mine and the wife’s Roth IRA yearly ($15k) which technically I can withdrawal the contributions without penalties in an emergency if needed. Also got my company stock (Publix) that I can take a loan out against up to 80% of the value if needed in an emergency. All crypto (leveraged) investments are therefore just extra income to buy things we don’t need (lift on my truck, gaming PC, new electronics etc etc), fund home improvement projects and to continue to strengthen my stock portfolio or long term crypto Spot bags. I only trade with $20,000 on leverage, typically 100x on BTC and 5-20x on others (always hard SL’s and only 0.5-1% risk per trade) and that port is used to fund the above listed items. Even on Oct 10th I had barely any losses. Proper RM with a slow and steady strategy is always best. Definitely diversify next time to give yourself options. maxing out your yearly Roth ($7500+$7500 for your wife) is the first and foremost thing you should be doing. You can day trade within your Roth an owe no taxes on anything that happens within that account. You can also buy BTC through an ETF like Ibit or in the form of Micro Strategy shares. Personally for my wife’s Roth I invest 70% into VT and the rest into a combo of BTC and other crypto’s as a set and forget long term investment. I prefer VT’s world exposure over VOO or QQQ and my Publix stock performance is similar to SCHD performance. I just like VT best for the bulk of the investment as a long term, diversified option. In my Roth I buy individual stocks and day trade them. Either intraday’s, longer term swings (weeks or months) or scalps. Eventually I’ll probably start building up a VT stockpile in my Roth and some BTC as well. But planning to mostly just leave mine to single stock plays and have the wife’s focus on that slow and steady approach.

crakinshot

You absolutely don't need to deposit money on coinbase to 'active' it. You should be able to just create a deposit address within coinbase and freely share that deposit address to them. If they got you to create a normal coinbase account; i.e. didn't give you bad links, then I'd also be concerned about the PC, your email, or phone being compromised

OfferLazy9141

Could sell this tona PC firm... One will be dumb enough

dasmonty

He saved the seed on his online PC..

SchwiftySqaunch

Not sure I completely believe this without details. Did you use a compromised laptop or PC to access it?

AlgoTrad3r

That’s actually the point 😅 I was already glued to my PC screen all day. The watch wasn’t about adding another screen, it was about being able to step away from the desk for a few minutes without feeling completely disconnected from the market.

Defiant_Leg_6335

Bitcoin Core installato su un PC normalmente offline

ahmong

actually surprised he still has his college PC from 9 years ago lol

BlockChainHeritage

You do not necessarily need another PC, even if your current Windows installation might be compromised. If you follow the Tails-based guide, you boot into a completely separate operating system, so Windows itself never starts. By default, Tails runs from the USB/CD in RAM and does not use your internal drive for normal operation, so each reboot starts from a fresh clean state again. That is also why I usually recommend the Tails-based approach if you are dealing with a meaningful amount of crypto and want stronger isolation from your everyday system.

Reasonable-Physics81

Plus u can just have a different PC with the wallet only.

Moist-Fruit-693

Yeah if this story is true he’s definitely the winner here. But man, letting ai Hoover up your PC is wild.

gabbergizzmo

It managed to find a file on his PC... i mean.. Wow!

QuantumOtter9

I first bought bitcoin during the draw down from the $1,000 peak in 2014. I bought at $650 and watched on coinbase as the bear whale was eaten over the course of an hour or whatever it was. When the bear whale was defeated was when I grew my conviction in bitcoin, even though the asset had declined to a third of its original value. Watching the order book just chew on it and see in real time the massive qty of bitcoins become distributed told me all i needed to know about bitcoin to understand what it was and what it could be. Insofar as the future goes, I still hold strong convictions about bitcoin. There are market incentives that provide real demand for a censorship resistant, self-custody bearer asset via distributed blockchain which has no central authority. The demand for these services will only increase. Bitcoin will exist in a sea of alternatives, but it will be a very the reliable, consistent underlayment that everything can be safely involved with since there's no shareholders or owner of the bitcoin protocol. Bitcoin doesn't have to provide millions of transactions per second since it will ultimately be a settlement layer. it won't displace the USD, unless the USD displaces itself I guess, but even in an uncertain future there will be other means of maintaining ledgers and sending payments more efficiently than bitcoin can do, but bitcoin will always be there providing the financial services of a limited supply digital asset. One worry I do have is the node operators of the future in 1 or 2 decades from now. Today our culture is awash with hobbyist technologist because we were raised with the PC. Node's carry a lot of water for the network and Bitcoin's decentralized node architecture relies on interested parties to maintain nodes. Keeping it easy and accessible is really important for the future health of bitcoin because giving kids something to tinker with will become more and more difficult as we continue our move away from PC culture to smartphone culture.

Puzzleheaded_Ad_4478

That's what I said. Anyone can save your art to their PC but your signature is protected by NFT. You remain the unique owner of the property.

One-Elderberry4046

About 13 years ago, I had a similar experience, where i convinced my 17year old self, I could trade up my hard-earned, but still rusty CS:GO knife for a shiny blue one. couldnt let this thought go until one night I just stood back up, went to the PC, and placed the bet. Well, it didn't go well, but at least I haven't felt any need to touch any kind of gambling ever since. Every time i see someone gamble i think back at the emberassing feeling i had that night.

disruptioncoin

As far as you know. Don't get me wrong, I trust my Trezor as much as is reasonable. I have a model one and it's been out a long time, someone probably would have found out how to manipulate it by now. But the fact that you are plugging it in IS a potential attack vector, even though they designed it not to be. Attackers (white hat researchers, mostly) have found all kinds of attacks on Trezors over the years, all of which have been patched. So it's reasonable to think there could be SOME way to commit malfeasance via the USB connection, assuming an attacker already has control over the host PC. The only similar attack I can think of is the one where people get tricked via phishing into downloading a fake instance of Trezor Suite, which then uses social engineering to trick the user into updating their firmware AND ignoring the warning on the Trezor that the firmware is not authentic (not signed by Trezor Labs). Then the fake firmware sends all your bitcoin away. That requires a significant level of user interaction and stupidity though. Point is, a wired connection is still best to be avoided if possible. In my mind however there is the caveat that the longer a device has been out, the more secure it is due to how long people have had eyes on the code. I'd prefer to use one of the newer wallets that requires NO connection at all to sign transactions (simply transfers unsigned/signed messages back and forth using QR codes and a camera on the host/wallet). But I haven't gotten around to upgrading yet and I haven't done enough research on my options. And I'll feel better about switching once these newer devices have been out a bit longer.

Medfried

UK or any region doesn't matter. Think of wallet as a device (Hardware wallet) or a program like Chrome (Metamask and Rabby etc) that you use to access your Blockchain address. For starters, if you're looking for a hot wallet then install Rabby wallet or Phantom wallet on your PC/Mac/iPhone/Android and generate a new wallet address and SAVE your seed phrase (a unique combination of 12 words) at a very safe place (preferably write it offline). Then you can withdraw your crypto from Kraken to that wallet address. Don't reply to any of the DM you receive. They're all scams.

CanStad

When I was in another province, I had a techie buddie I use to game with on World of Warcraft. After school one day, he spent like an hour trying to set me up for Bitcoin and get me the wallet. I was pissed because I wanted play either Gears or Halo and smoke some weed while mom was at work. He basically showed me a bunch of stuff on it; I thought it was the equivalent to Neopets, but he basically spent like 10 bucks to start me off. I really wasn’t paying attention, but somehow he knew it was going to be something big. I fucking didn’t. My computer graphics card had a burn out glitch where purple lines were all over my games, and my mom offered to help me chip in for a brand new PC if I got a summer job. To shorten this, I ended up tossing the whole PC out. I considered transfer a bunch of stuff, but like my meme folder and mp3 folder was basically all I needed from it as at the time I only used the PC to play World of Warcraft, CS Source, TF2, and Gmod. The new PC could run my games at 60 fps up from 15-26 FPS on my old PC, and I didn’t even look at the old PC as a resale, so I chucked it out. I genuinely had no thought about the Bitcoin until 6 years ago. What a fuck around.

Su_ButteredScone

I've just used some to refresh my wardrobe and upgrade my PC. So I'm not too bothered that it's stopped going up for now.

devilkin

I'm not addressing anything other than your assertion that a pc is always unsafe. I have worked in tech for 20 years, and have been a team lead for infosec operations, and worked for a block chain tech company in infrastructure engineering. What i stated is a valid, safe method for using a PC to generate seed phrases, and connect a USB safely. Anything after that is risk management. I agree storing on a USB is not a great method. But it's not inherently unsafe. Nor is it inherently unsafe to use a pc.

boih_stk

I bought a PC specifically with the intent of learning to mine in late 2009-2010. Never got to it. Still one of my life's biggest regrets. "Funny internet money" era.

gihkal

I can buy a vehicle, PC and rent locally. Much more if I really wanted to research it for you. That 90% range is your experience. Not the world's experience.

benditbackwards

you mean how do I steal the bitcoin from a hard drive / PC that I liberated from the rightful owner?? We will not be complicit to your crime!

GxM42

I lived in constant fear of losing my crypto when i had it in my own wallet, and I guarded my PC carefully. It never happened, but I’m a bit leery of trying again. I’d rather have 2FA on 5 different public exchanges, TBH. Not my keys, not my crypto, I get it. But I feel like the odds of malware getting on my PC is higher than losing all my crypto off different exchanges. I don’t think self-custody is realistic for the common person.

decentralised_cash

You don't... The way I have it set up is I build an unsigned transaction on my online PC, then move it (securely) to my air-gapped PC, sign it there, and then move it back to my online PC and broadcast it. It's not that awful once you get the hang of it, but it's definitely far more time-consuming than just using a Trezor.

Secret_Operative

Started in 2011. Tried trading. Noped out pretty quick. Tried poker (hi sealswithclubs!) Won some, lost some but pretty sure I'm 20BTC down from that effort. Tried buying coffee, PC parts, and paying small debts and giving it away. That's at least another 10BTC successfully dispersed. Now I hodl and it's working perfectly.

Squeiner

Freedom because nobody else can ever tell me what to do or what not to do with my money or who I can or cannot send it to. I can do anything I want with it at any time I want without needing anyone else's permission or even knowledge. I am free to do as I please. Security because I run it myself in my PC at home so I know it will never be debased, never be stolen, never be censored. It will always be secure.

Think-Sector-6329

Don't go all-in on BTC, especially not with your 401K. That money is your long term safetynet. BTC can outperform, but it can also dump hard, so I'd keep the 401K steady and build BTC separately with extra cash. Based on blueblocx, Sock, marty, and PC were trending lately, but treat those ith small high-risk plays, which you main portfolio keeps growing.

decentralised_cash

Yeah, hardware wallet and air-gapped wallet are not *necessarily* the same thing. I set up a Linux PC with every single networking driver removed, including Bluetooth. Short of physically removing hardware, it's as isolated as possible. That's a true "air gap".

Fauxjito

Fair play to you. It just suddenly took me back to building PC networks in the '90s 🤣

nonkeywayzee

Just 1TB on a Pi5... I recommend you prune that thing or get both a bigger capacity SSD and a better PC. Raspis with external SSDs are not recommended for running a Bitcoin full node since almost 5 years.

Alcophile

B/c it probably was. The PC on the desk came out in 1979.

Wonderful_Writer_133

Yeah that CRT IBM terminal looking unit is circa '80s. Maybe late eighties. I had a telemarketing job circa 1990 in a phone center with such units with the glowing green text interface displaying our phone scripts. They were just switching in more PC looking units.

beetrox8

What is that PC on the desk? I want one.

decentralised_cash

Sure! I'll go through your points mentioned. **Safety** ------ The key to storing your Bitcoin safely is generating a wallet **offline**. Your private key material should **never** touch an internet-connected device. The most straightforward way to do this is by owning a hardware wallet, such as a Trezor. You power on the device and it generates a 12 or 24 word seed phrase that you should only write **on paper** (though some people prefer to engrave it in metal to make it more durable). This seed phrase **is** your wallet: an enormous "tree" of private keys and addresses can be generated from this seed phrase. Your wallet software handles generating new addresses, tracking your balances (UTXOs) across addresses, etc... There is also the option of setting up an air-gapped Linux PC (a computer that is never connected to the internet) and using that to generate wallets. That is *very* secure if done correctly, but is much more technical. The above method does not require you to trust any third-party with your keys. You generate and store everything locally and offline. **Anonymity** --------- Now, as you probably know, the blockchain is a public ledger, so every single transaction and movement of coins can be traced. Therefore, even though you might have your own offline, non-custodial wallet (as discussed previously), any address you withdraw Bitcoin to will still be known publicly. *And*, if you withdraw Bitcoin to one of your addresses from an exchange like Coinbase, that Bitcoin address will **always** be tied to your name. Coinbase and the government will know which Bitcoin is yours. This is where CoinJoin comes in. CoinJoin is a protocol for creating collaborative Bitcoin transactions that combine **hundreds** of inputs and create **hundreds** of outputs. The result of this is that your Bitcoin becomes totally anonymised - not even the best chain analysis firms will know where your coins have gone (as long as you don't recombine UTXOs into similar amounts to the ones you had going in). To do this, you need to download Wasabi Wallet and add a good coordinator as a URL - most people us `https://coinjoin.kruw.io`. There are no fees for this, except normal on-chain fees. The protocol is run anonymously over TOR and uses zero-knowledge proofs to ensure that not even the coordinator learns which coins are yours. After you've CoinJoined your coins, you can send them to your hardware wallet (but don't recombine too many UTXOs). The end result is that - even if you bought from somewhere like CoinJoin - no one will be able to trace your coins or know what you did with them. **Buying/Selling Bitcoin** -------- If you wish to do this without a centralised exchange like Coinbase, you'll need to turn to P2P (peer-to-peer) platforms. [HodlHodl](https://hodlhodl.com) is a good option and is intuitive to use, though fees are a little high. There is also Bisq, but it's harder to set up. When buying P2P, you buy Bitcoin directly from others via the method of your preference, e.g. cash or bank transfer. **Purchasing Stuff with Bitcoin** ------ Bitcoin has no "accounts" and doesn't not have any names associated with addresses on-chain (these are off-chain heuristics). Any vendor worth their salt will simply give you a Bitcoin address to which you send Bitcoin directly from your non-custodial wallet. No "account", no verification, no KYC. **Hot Wallet** ---- One additional recommendation of mine would be to use a hot wallet app on your phone for smaller amounts of Bitcoin. The best option for iOS/Android is BlueWallet. Make sure your phone is up-to-date to avoid any potential malware. Having a wallet on your phone is safer than on a normal (internet-connected) PC, but it is obviously less safe than the hardware wallet or air-gapped Linux PC setups I was talking to you about above.

Fansyy

did you pick who to send it to? There could be bugs, I haven’t tested on all possible devices. Just Iphone and Mac/PC

Squeiner

For me it comes down to a simple question. How can I be sure my asset won't be diluted? Bitcoin is the only one that properly answers the question because I can (and do) run it myself from my own PC right here at home in my living room. I can't run anything else from here, so I would need to trust someone else to run it for me, and hope that they won't change the rules. Might as well use fiat at that point.

Lonely-Artist5371

No computers. Spend 20$ on esp32 at the very least. That's 1000 times faster then any computer hashrates. You will probably not even find a pool that supports such a low hash from computers. You could theoretically host your own node and custom set your difficulty for your hashrate but it'll just be a waste of time and the PC won't be useable besides mining.

patbagger

You clearly have no idea what Apple did for PC, they made it so simple anyone could use it, and they brought the mouse to market. That hasn't happened with Crypto yet

crunchyeyeball

A bitcoin private key is usually generated by a *wallet*. It is usually backed up with 12, 20, or 24 words (the "seed phrase") which can be used to backup/recover all private keys generated by the wallet. If you have a hardware wallet (e.g. Trezor, ColdCard, Ledger, etc.), a PIN (& the device) may also be enough to access the funds. If you have a wallet on a phone or PC, access to the phone/device/account may be enough. If you have funds on an exchange, login credentials may be enough.

IAM_deleted_AMA

They develop it FOR current gen consoles, it's literally made for the PS5 and Xbox X. The PC port will be released a year after if we're lucky. Not sure what you mean by not controlled friendly, it's made with it in mind.

The_Faceless1

Im planning to buy physical disc on PS5 and then sell it once it released on PC and buy it again on PC. Still thinking if thats a good move or not. I do that for Red Dead Redemption 2

riscten

I have no idea what you're talking about. I played V on Xbox360 on launch day and it was fine 🤷 Still I'm with you on the PC front. It's been a long time since I've played anything on console.

RobinsonHuso12

Honestly, I feel like it’s going to run on the PS5 the same way GTA V ran on the PS3 back then - like “it’s fine for a 5-minute trailer, but after that it’s unbearable.” I’d rather wait until it comes out on PC. GTA has never really been controller-friendly anyway.

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Few_logs

his mom bought him a new PC for his birthday and threw his old machine in the trash.

PoisonWaffle3

I'm 2011 I mined about 5 BTC in a mining pool with my gaming PC, and sold 4 of them for about $10. I do *really* regret this. I found the remaining 1 BTC and change in 2019 and sold most of it in 2020/2021 to help with building a house, and I don't regret that at all. I still have 0.1 BTC left of it in a wallet, but have bought another whole coin since as well.

sh3rifme

I first bought in 2012, DCA'd until 2016 then sold for a car, PC and a 2 week trip to New York. 0 regrets and I started DCA again immediately after coming home. Any time there's an ATH I'll pull some out for a big purchase. The last one was £20k towards a deposit for my first house purchase. I personally don't buy into the HODL mindset. If you can't take profit from your store of value, it's just a money pit. I bought it in 2012, and every year after that, once a week. If the price goes up, yesterday's buy is a profit. If the price goes down, tomorrow's buy will be cheaper.

This_Discussion126

Try to find the "master public key" You can safely import that in a wallet on your phone or PC connected to internet and check your funds without any risk.

Squeiner

Many reasons. But for one, how can I be sure this or that coin has a limited supply? I can't really. I have to trust some company or foundation to keep it that way, just like fiat where you need to trust JPow to do this or that to the money supply and interest rates. No thank you.  With Bitcoin I can be perfectly sure because I run it myself out of my own PC right here at home.

bitbat45

I’ve done this with electrum many times before. It is a hot wallet at that point but as long as your PC isn’t compromised you should be fine. Start with a small transaction if you have that option. Make a small test wallet and try to sweep it as practice.