PC

Excellent_Can2901

I had a mid range PC in 2011 and my pool rewards were about 0.5 BTC a day back then.

RetiredAvocado

Screenshot says "started 2013.05.02.." with average 391mhs. A USB block Erupter could do 330mhs. Maybe in 2011 he was doing better, but he was not mining 1 BTC per day with $800 PC in that screenshot anymore.

Djassie18698

That's like saying passwords are not secure, because you write them on a post it and stick them to your screen where everyone can see it. If you never post your 12 words online etc, how will someone get in? If you have them saved on your PC and you get hacked, that's your fault, why have those words on your PC in the first place?

VatoLobo

LSD and Ecstasy? Shit. I blew through dozens of them trading access to randomly generated mybrute heroes that i could use as my gladiators to crush fellow nerds from the competitive fighting game grassroots folks lol. Basically threw what would have at one point been maybe 15 million dollars on fighting gigapets. I also donated my old dorm PC to a restaurant i used to manage, because the owner was stuck in a vacuum of 1995 with all his credit card records saved to an amigo machine. Cool and generous me, i converted them all to excel and saved the day by saving him about $200 and left the computer there, along with the 14.3 bitcoins saved into a wallet on it. I have since offered up ten grand cash to any employee or hood to snag up the thing for me to try and recover. Unfortunately, when i got fired from that job for getting a dui on my way home from work, i changed the slogan on the company facebook page to something very unsavory. I guess the owner thought i was some super hacker controlling everything from that computer and instead of just changing his facebook page password, made a spectacle of smashing the old girl into a million pieces in the alley behind the restaurant with his big stupid purple truck. On the plus side, i was still able to once again wreck havoc on the anniversary of my termination by changing it once again, to "eat my johnson". Worth almost 14 and a half bitcoins? probably not. For those two days of social media madness....i felt goooooooood, though. Worth it if only i was just a little less poor than i currently am.

DriveTraining5439

Hi there ! Left SETI project because it wasnt fun any more, tried that new bitcoin stuff and got 7.2ishBTC ... got an offer on that extra PC and forgot to backup wallet/keys, just went ahead and format it with fresh OS. Me everytime it jumped price last years: DOH !

DV_Zero_One

I wasn't in that early unfortunately, but the obselete desktop PC I have gathering dust in a spare room cost me 7 BTC.

Excellent-Advice-948

Really sorry — that's a gut punch, especially right after doing the responsible thing and getting off the exchange. Hard truth first: if the seed was compromised, there's no undo. On-chain transfers are irreversible and whoever has the seed has full control, so recovery isn't realistic. Brutal to hear, I know. But what actually happened matters, because you didn't do anything obviously careless — you wrote the seed on paper, no screenshots. The most likely culprit is the device: a hot wallet generates and shows the seed on a phone/computer, and if that device had malware (a bad download, a fake app, a dodgy browser extension), the seed can be lifted the moment it's on screen or in memory — long before you funded it. That's how a balance vanishes weeks later. So the lesson isn't "self-custody was a mistake." It's that a hot wallet on a general-purpose device is the weak link once real savings are involved. For an amount like this, a hardware wallet is worth it — the seed is generated and kept on a device that never touches the internet, so malware on your phone/PC can't see it. Going forward: treat that old device as compromised (wipe it), never reuse that seed for anything, and rebuild on a clean device with a hardware wallet. Painful lesson — but your instinct was right, the seed just needed to stay off an online device.

pezdal

Nodes don’t lose all their work when they reboot following power failures. Battery backups are common. I don’t share all of your “third world” assumptions, but if I did then I’d argue that bandwidth would be the bottleneck not PC speed anyway. But the thing is, used PCs are still very fast and one with even 16GB of RAM lets the user allocate, say, 10GB of dbcache which dramatically reduces HDD I/O…. We agree I’m sure that storage IO is the bottleneck we are talking about and that even an inexpensive SATA SSD would make a world of difference. Not sure what that does to the budget but the point is that’s not prohibitive.

Soft_Frosting_8407

**Immediate fix:** 1. Never again use Trustwallet. Either the software was compromised or your computer was compromised. 2. Keep documents, anything important, pdfs, etc. Saved on the cloud. Too, as backup. 3. Format your PC and reinstall Windows. Consider using Linux, too. 4. Start using a Password manager like Bitwarden, either self-hosted or with their cloud. Do not use the browser password manager. 5. Use LibreWolf or Firefox. Chrome is a mess nowadays with ads, tracking, etc. **Windows basic security:** 1. Basic Windows Defender is fine, but enable anti ramson options to control modifications to specific folders, memory integrity, etc. 2. Do not install random stuff from Internet and use [https://chocolatey.org/](https://chocolatey.org/) to install software. 3. Use *sandboxing* like [https://sandboxie-plus.com/](https://sandboxie-plus.com/), not going to enter into details but you can run software you trust less isolated. And protect your downloads folder so if you accidentally download malware, it will not necessarily have any impact. As for the money, unless you can put a police claim and have an insurance covering the money, it seems that is irrecoverable, unless there is a silly mistake you have done and you are looking into the wrong wallet or something. That's the risk with Bitcoin, and why it will never actually succeed.

pezdal

A used PC with a used 2TB hard disk drive can still be acquired in third world countries for less than a couple hundred bucks. This will only go down in price over time.

kiritomens

What you said sounds nice and dandy on paper. But it's more about the ways it can and would be abused IMO. Especially the bullshit reasoning behind chat controll laws. Who knows maybe it won't be abused withing 5 years. Maybe even 10 years. But I'm willing to bet that it will be abused within the year it's implemented. There have already been arrests in the US and UK over polical memes on social etc. Letting a AI government system scan every messaging app and gallery on my phone and PC sounds like a nightmare to me. And I also remember there being a case where Google flagged pictures taken by parents of their children as CP before. Although this might not be the right place to discuss this since it's a crypto sub. It's mighty suspicious that within 2 years all government bodies all of the sudden wanted full digital controll and oversight, on everything. At about the same time META and Microsoft started lobbying these laws too. And that whole child protection angle, is being pushed by a lobbying foundation shell set up and funded by META.

margara22

This type of posts I see almost everyday. Most probably you have infostealer installed on your PC/laptop, or even browser expansion. So if you create a new wallet and transfer again, same gonna happen. These wallets have no protection, just the seed phrase is enough to get you compromised, if you are afraid of regulations better use some DEX.

blacksmithwolf

Effectively it doesn't really matter. Someone stole the majority of his life savings and he has no recourse. Doesn't really matter at this point if it's because he clicked on a malicious link, used an infected PC when setting up the wallet, anything else. His money's gone forever because he engaged with a dumbass ecosystem filled with people who excuse how poorly it works in practice by blaming the victims of fraud and/or theft instead of the systems that make that fraud/theft so commonplace.

moviemaker2

You technically can but you don't want to take this route as a newbie. It's 100% easier, safer and just as economical to get a dedicated device. Essentially anything but a Ledger. I recommend a coldcard MK5, but other options like Jade, bitbox and others would be just fine. The simplified process is that you have a wallet on your phone or PC that doesn't contain the private keys. You initiate a transaction in that wallet, filling in amount, address, etc. and the hardware wallet authorizes the transaction. (either by being connected via usb, or if you want to go full airgapped mode like with the coldcard Q, you copy the transaction from the computer to the Q via SD card, sign the transaction, copy it back to the computer, and broadcast it.)

Steel-Tempered

Is there a way to create your own hardware cold wallet? Like using an old micro PC or some other small device? Or is there a specific serialized process for cold wallets? (newbie here - just trying to learn)

satsugene

It depends how much you have. Losing ~$500 because I get unlucky and a zero day attacks my phone would ruin my week or my month. Increasingly with AI once a device (phone or PC) is compromised and phones home, it could run any number of payloads depending on what it detects installed and even the version number. Wallet data is an attractive target.  It is a lot of trust in a software you and 3rd parties can’t personally verify. FDE protects against someone finding your phone and dumping the memory chip cold. It doesn’t do anything if the device gets compromised while powered on and doesn’t even rely on the Lock Screen doing its job. A cold wallet doesn’t touch the internet connected system. Isn’t at risk of system vulnerabilities in the same way. Doesn’t risk a hard or soft keyboard being hooked into or screen dumps.  That is the real benefit.

SeriousGreenA

BTC, XLM, ETH MINIMA will be everywhere as it is quantum resistant, fully descentralised and it can run from ARM to PC.

AstroRoverToday

If he accessed his wallet on a PC that connected to the internet at any time after he interacted with his wallet, then his keystrokes could have been captured and sent to the hacker that installed the spyware years ago.

DeepSpaceNote9

what's the prevailing theory for how the phantom wallets got drained? Some spyware on PC/Mobile? phantom robbing customers? are they legit? what other ways can one lose their currency like this?

joefunk76

Fair point, I suppose. Maybe 40% is more applicable for items or services that you use (e.g., cell phone, TV, PC, Internet access) as opposed to investment assets. Bitcoin is currently ~0.1% of investable assets. I would call it mainstream once it reaches somewhere in the 1-5% range, even if personal adoption doesn’t increase from current levels.

moviemaker2

To clarify what the other commenter said, since there is some nuance. There are two main ways you interact with your seed phrase. 1) recording it non-electronically when it is created by a wallet. (either a hardware or software wallet) 2) entering it into your wallet. (either hardware or software) A more precise way of saying it is that you never enter the seed phrase into a non-wallet internet connected device. Your seed phrase is generated when you initially set up a wallet. The wallet app or device will tell you to write the seed phrase down on paper or some other durable medium, making sure that it is never digitized. \[stainless steel plates recommended\] No notes app, no password manager, no encrypted cloud drive, no encrypted hard drive, no digital photos of it. It will then make you verify that you did this - most (or maybe all) make you enter in the seed phrase again to confirm you did this. Entering it into the wallet itself is the only time it is ever entered into a device. (hardware wallets are often air-gapped so this is inherently not a security concern, and software wallets are trusted because you got them from the App Store on an iPhone, or you verified the PGP signature of your download on your Mac or PC running the latest security updates. This is not a universally accepted rule, but I consider using a wallet on an Android device the same as putting your seed phrase on a billboard in Times Square) The OP \*copied\* the seed phrase from Cake wallet, which is a form of storing it digitally outside of the wallet, albeit temporarily. \[I'm honestly surprised a phone wallet even lets you do this, but it strongly warns you not to do that before you actually do\]. The proper procedure, which even the wallet app will tell you, for transferring from one wallet to another is to again, write down the seed phrase (if you ignored the first instruction to have already written it down in a safe place already) then enter it directly into the second wallet. I don't think I've ever had more than a few hundred dollars worth of BTC in a software only wallet, even with all the recommended precautions.

crunchyeyeball

You might think you're safe if you follow best practice for your physical wallet, seed words, & pass phrase, but I suggest you don't neglect more *general* opsec. E.g. malware on your PC can still switch addresses in your clipboard, and the weakest link is often the human element, so you should still be wary of the usual scams, like fake calls/emails/letters from Coldcard/Coinbase/Binance/whoever, offering "security updates".

Large-Cress900

Part of it might be that people are starting to understand custody better. There are still a lot of folks in the Bitcoin world who don't know the basics and genuinely think their bitcoin (really just the keys/sats) live on their PC or hardware wallet — once that clicks, "I lost my hard drive" stories make a lot less sense.

olugbo

Sorry to hear that. Did you have an additional passphrase? Do you think you’ll need to reset your phone/ PC etc as well?

Mugiwara-YNWA

I'm in a similar situation this year. When BTC is in a bear market, I tend to save money. I often hesitate to buy something. But just yesterday I bought a ticket to "The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring in Concert" (a film with a symphony orchestra). The event doesn't take place until April next year, but tickets are selling out quickly and I've been wanting to experience this for a long time. (I also want to build a new PC, but prices have gone up a lot, I'll wait....)

Billkr

You can't mine Bitcoin with a PC or Phone. Apps that say they can are scams. You need an ASIC to mine Bitcoin these days.

let-me-see-your-boob

Paint PC green and throw into grass, so nobody can find it

TaltineDawn

Even with a strong GPU like a 5070 Ti, mining profit is pretty small right now unless electricity is basically free and you’re running everything extremely efficiently. The “I have solar so it’s free” idea sounds good, but in reality there’s still opportunity cost, heat, and wear to consider. On earnings, it depends on what you mine and current prices, but for a single modern GPU you’re generally looking at something like a few dollars a day at best in good conditions, and often less after difficulty changes and downtime. That adds up to maybe low double digits to low hundreds per month in very optimistic cases, not a steady income. The bigger issue is hardware stress. A GPU running 24/7 won’t instantly die, but constant high load does add wear over time, especially on memory and fans. It’s not catastrophic, but it does shorten lifespan and increases the chance you’ll need maintenance or replacement sooner. Also, crypto mining profitability changes fast. What looks “okay” one month can drop quickly, and you can’t really control that. If your goal is just “make something while my PC is idle,” it can work, but financially it’s usually weaker than people expect. Most miners either run dedicated setups at scale or stopped doing it because margins got thin. If you still want to try it, I’d treat it as a learning experiment first, not a reliable way to earn money.

subdep

OP, step away from the keyboard, unplug PC, and burn it with hellfire.

Slayerofgrundles

All you need is a cheap smart phone, which nearly everyone has, even in the developing world. Why would you need a PC?

so7ow

DIY! Learn something along the way. All those other prebuilt nodes hide everything behind Docker and are hard to customize unless you want to do it their way. Just get a cheap used mini PC with a couple TB of SSD and have at it.

Cecil4029

I had 12million Dogecoin at one point in life. I gambled them all while drunk, then got drunk again and forgot to buy back. Found my old PC hard drive during the run up, still worked after 10+ years, synced up the wallet and found 350 Doge 😄

Most_Raccoon_587

So lets go a step further. a Wealthy institution buys BTC, lets say from Fidelity and Fidelity custodies it. Fidelity likely doesn't custody it, they separate that out to a separate entity (Likely). That separate entity.. eventually lands to a person with a cold wallet (whether that be a ledger, treasure, or a PC with a Linux Code on it. and a private key on paper) Probably many private keys to keep things segmented. You go far enough down the institutional rabbit hole, its a guy and some paper. That he promises he won't loose. (Scary) I mean add it some well documented processes, and some background checks, but thats kinda it right?

crunchyeyeball

Where/when/how did you buy bitcoin to put in the wallet? Unless you somehow paid cash, your bank statements should tell you where you transferred money to & when. I'd suggest you start there. That should at least give you an idea of the time period, and might indicate an exchange you may still have an account with. Are you sure you had an actual wallet? Was it on a PC, a phone? or some dodgy website?

protoman86

I traded my moons from this sub for NANO on that app some guy here made. Sold that and bought a PC 😅. I didn’t use it aside from that but the one or two transactions I did with it were the fastest of all cryptos I’ve tried. Sad to see it die.

GazelleIntelligent89

Congratulations! This kind of thing is the best case scenario.  I used to bitcoin mine around 2011/2012. I had a reasonable GPU at the time and remember leaving my PC on for about 6 months straight in a mining group. For some reason I forgot about it and lost my wallet information. I have no idea if the wallet still exists because it wasn't a physical one was online as part of the mining group but every time I've tried to find it, I've failed. I've tried to figure out how much I had in there because in my mind I had about $50-60 worth at the time which would obviously be several bitcoin now. Finding it now would be the best case scenario because if I'd held onto it I would almost certainly sold whenever it hit the first significant breakpoint and only made a few hundred or potentially few thousand dollars. One can dream but I'm not too cut up about it because I literally have no idea how much I have in there, it could be very little. 

Equivalent_Ranger753

This is an AI generated response from Brave’s Leo. Sorry if any of this is redundant Recovering Bitcoin from old Android phones without a PIN, password, or seed phrase is extremely difficult and often impossible, especially if the device cannot be accessed or rooted safely. Since Schildbach Bitcoin Wallet (now known as Bitcoin Wallet) stored private keys locally on the device, your only chance lies in successfully extracting the wallet data file (wallet.protobuff or similar) from the phone’s internal storage without wiping it. Step-by-step instructions Prerequisites The original Android phone(s) with the wallet still intact. A computer (preferably running an older OS like Windows 7 or Linux, due to driver compatibility). USB debugging enabled (if previously activated). Knowledge of ADB (Android Debug Bridge) and fastboot tools. Potentially, a working battery and functional USB port on the old device. Recovery Steps Try enabling USB debugging (if not already): If the phone boots normally and you can access settings, go to Settings > Developer options and enable USB debugging. If Developer Options is locked or inaccessible, this path may not be available. Connect the phone to a compatible PC: Use a original or high-quality USB cable. Try multiple USB ports and PCs if possible. Install legacy Android USB drivers (e.g., from Google or the phone manufacturer for 2010-era devices). Use ADB to pull wallet data (if USB debugging is on): Install Android SDK Platform Tools. Run: adb devices adb pull /data/data/de.schildbach.wallet/files/wallet.protobuff (Path may vary slightly depending on wallet version.) If successful, import this file into a modern Bitcoin wallet that supports legacy formats. If USB debugging is off and the phone is locked: Your only option is to gain root or recovery access without wiping data. Look for device-specific exploits from 2010–2013 that allow temporary root or recovery mode without data loss (e.g., via unrevoked, SuperOneClick, or GingerBreak). Try booting into custom recovery (like ClockworkMod) if previously installed. Use Android Studio or ADB in recovery mode (advanced): Boot into recovery (usually Volume Up + Power). If ADB works in recovery, try pulling the /data partition. Note: Most stock recoveries do not support ADB; custom ones do. Consider professional data recovery services: Some specialists focus on mobile forensic recovery and may extract chip data directly (e.g., via JTAG or chip-off methods), though this is costly and not guaranteed. Once wallet file is retrieved: Use the original Bitcoin Wallet app or compatible software to open the file. Transfer funds to a new, secure wallet immediately. ⚠️ Warning: Any attempt that involves flashing, factory resetting, or improper rooting may permanently erase your wallet data. Proceed with extreme caution.

Dependent_Book_2905

**(Its from gemini, but it should work)** **Phase 1: Environment Setup (Bypass Windows 11)** **Windows 11 hates 2010-era Android USB drivers. Instead of fighting with Windows registry fixes and broken unsigned drivers, use a Linux environment.** **1. Get a USB Drive: Create a bootable Ubuntu Linux live USB using a tool like Rufus.** **2. Boot Into Linux: Boot your PC into Ubuntu directly from the USB (choose "Try Ubuntu" so it doesn't install over your PC's hard drive). Linux has native, legacy driver support built into the kernel for almost every 2010-era phone and will recognize H-Boot/Fastboot/ADB instantly without installing drivers.** **Phase 2: The Non-Destructive "Android Backup" Trick** **Before trying any aggressive rooting methods, try the native Android Backup utility via ADB (Android Debug Bridge). This feature was designed to back up app data to a computer without root, and early versions of the Schildbach wallet did not block it.** **1. On your phone, go to Settings > Applications > Development and enable USB Debugging.** **2. Connect the phone to your Linux PC.** **3. Open a Linux terminal and install ADB:** **⁠sudo apt update && sudo apt install android-tools-adb⁠** **4. Verify the connection:** **⁠adb devices⁠ (It should show a string of numbers).** **5. Run the backup command specifically targeting the wallet app:** **⁠adb backup -f wallet\_backup.ab -noapk de.schildbach.wallet⁠** **6. Look at your phone screen. If it asks you to confirm the backup, leave the password field blank and hit "Back up my data".** **If this creates a ⁠wallet\_backup.ab⁠ file on your computer that is larger than 0 bytes, you've won. We can unpack that ⁠.ab⁠ file on your PC to extract the wallet keys.** **Phase 3: The Safe Rooting Path (If ADB Backup Fails)** **If the backup trick doesn't work and you absolutely must root the device to browse the file system, you have to use an exploit that targets temporary root in the running operating system, rather than unlocking the bootloader.** **Since you mentioned Unrevoked, you are likely dealing with an HTC device from the Android 2.1 to 2.3 era (like the HTC Desire, Evo 4G, or Incredible).** **Solving the H-Boot Driver Issue in Linux** **If Unrevoked or other tools require the phone to be in H-Boot/Fastboot mode, Linux will bypass the Windows 11 driver block.** **Once the phone is in H-Boot, open your Linux terminal and type ⁠fastboot devices⁠.** **If it shows your device, Linux sees it perfectly, and you can safely proceed with legacy tools.** **Alternative Zero-Risk Exploits** **Because the phone is running a version of Android from 2010-2011, it is vulnerable to ancient software exploits that grant temporary root access without wiping data.** **SuperOneClick or GingerBreak: These were desktop tools used back then that exploited the Android OS while it was turned on. They do not wipe data.** **ADB Sideloading an Exploit: If you can interact with ADB, older exploits like ⁠zergRush⁠ or ⁠rageagainstthecage⁠ can be pushed to the ⁠/data/local/tmp⁠ folder to trigger temporary root, allowing you to copy the wallet file manually.** **Phase 4: What You Are Looking For** **Once you either extract the backup or gain temporary root access, navigate to:** **⁠/data/data/de.schildbach.wallet/files/⁠** **You are looking for a file named ⁠bitcoin-wallet-backup⁠ or ⁠bitcoin-wallet-decrypted⁠.** **Early versions of Schildbach's wallet did not encrypt this by default. You can open this file in a text editor on your PC. It will contain a string of text that looks like a raw private key (often starting with a ⁠5⁠ for unencrypted keys) or a master seed sequence.**

rorood123

Hope you’ve air-gapped that PC! (And your wife isn’t on here wondering why meeting her wasn’t your second best experience of your life!)

rjzerpab

I just need $1,000 in BTC just to get a new PC That's all I need for work. bc1qhstj47v9evkw83ekjsw3yca3fe6hw5un2vj6pq

poginmydog

Owning cryptocurrency isn’t illegal in China. Buying, selling, trading is illegal. Mining at small scale is legal as well, meaning small amounts of XMR mining on your home PC is perfectly fine. The ownership and possession of cryptocurrency in China is perfectly legal and they are viewed as property.

clutchtho

5 years in crypto, no way you were mining much with your gaming PC 5 years ago, if anything at all lmao anyways, highly recommend owning bitcoin over any other alts. 38% BTC is fine at your age. You're young and it's the time to be risk on. But you should continue to DCA normal investment tools to decrease that 38% of time.

Zestyclose_Paint3922

I’m a geek and have been PC gaming for almost 30 years. So around 2011 I got some information about this thing that might be used as money and just recently somehow got validation as it got a real value of one dollar per unit. Yep, a bitcoin just got to $1 and some gamer friends where deciding about spending 100 dollars each on it which would have gotten me around 100 bitcoin. By that time 100 would get you another level gpu so non of us ended up not buying anything.

Oaker_at

I was talking with my dad about crypto a few days ago, during that conversation I remembered that I was mining some ETH und BTC back when it wasn’t really popular yet. Forgot about it, sold the PC. Was around 2015 or 2016, when ETH released. I wonder how much I did mine back then.

Rich4477

Back when Bitcoin was just starting out and you could mine on your PC I was setting it up but then decided not to mine.  FML!!

yesdaddy_____

I could try to use a card reader adapter (the one that fits an SD card into a larger card) on my laptop, would that suffice? I had a SD card port on my other PC but the power supply shot a fire ball into the sky. (The power supply blew up)

Different-Result-859

No doubt it is there in the internal storage. But it could be there in the SD card too, if you ever clicked backup wallet in the app. Since phone is dead, I think it is faster to check the SD card especially if you have a reader to plug it into PC

Different-Result-859

Pretty sure I can help you. Read the SD card on your PC. Put it in a card reader and look for a file named like bitcoin-wallet-backup-2012-… (no extension), in the Download folder or the card's root. Once you have that, you can recover the wallet easily

K4k4shi

Can you add JPY as a currency? 24 hour volume, Price chart is not working for me in PC

crunchyeyeball

As an exchange, Kraken is pretty solid, especially if you use limit orders for the best rates. For wallets, any of the those listed in the [faq/wiki](https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinBeginners/comments/g42ijd/faq_for_beginners/) over on /r/BitcoinBeginners will do the job. The best choice depends on your circumstances (hardware versus software, phone vs. PC vs. Mac).

GaRGa77

How big is your hard drive if you have a PC ?

BruceAENZ

I just had my view in Yahoo Finance (I know, but it’s all I can get on my locked down work PC) tell me it was 60,771, freeze, than immediately refresh at 63,015. With no wick to 60,771 showing.

Extreme-Package-5156

BTCPay required a node. But get something simple like Umbrel or Start9 on a mini PC and it is as simple as setting up some channels for inbound liquidity and you have your own way of accepting payments in bitcoin on lightning on on chain. Im am happy to open up a channel to you for inbound liquidity!

PapugKingTFT

The only people who actually got rich with bitcoin are those who were memeing It very very early on When it just arrived and You mine It on personal PC Or those who bought it under 1000$ Anything else is smoking Oh wow! You doubled your investments cus you were gambling? Impressive, let Me high five Your great accomplishments zzz

Oddworld777

This is a COMICAL question given the comment you're responding to and the irony abounds in a post generally regarding how someone makes money/performs in a market. Your comment lower down makes the way you're asking this like some condescending gotcha question all the more embarrassing for you. If you don't understand, just ask, don't be a twerp about it. It's literally basic economics and Monetary Systems material. Like are you trying to compare gold because you don't think it produces tangible outputs? In your comment below you're literally stuck on "Gold produces goods". You're literally touching the screen of a device or hitting the keys on the keyboard of a PC that has gold in it that a company had to buy to produce that good. Gold has utility. It's a commodity on top of a store of value. It has desirable conduction or insulation properties in multiple areas (electric currents, radioactivity, thermal conduction/insulation). It doesn't rust/tarnish/corrode/otherwise oxidize. It's highly malleable, ductile, and is easily soldered. On top of/because of that, it gets used as an input in a gajillion key industries as a raw material. This means it gets consumed for its utility on top of bought and stored for value. In terms of use as a store of value, it's both a wartime transaction medium and a backstop if your currency is devalued. If you're at war/in an armed conflict, you still need things from other countries. Some commodities you will need significantly more in wartime than peace periods. It's not only a lot easier to move a bunch of physical gold if needed than a bunch of bank transactions in a banking system that might be obliterated, but it can literally be a physical settlement transaction. It also retains it's global market demand versus a wartime country's currency. In general wartime economies have increased currency, banking, and stability risk. If Country A is at war and needs something from Country B, it's generally a lot safer for Country B to take settlement in a precious metal, non-currency store of value, or Commodity with high utility. Gold is all three. If you're a country experienced currency volatility or outright destabilization, you still need to be able to settle debts and pay for imports needed at the national level from other countries amongst other things. I'm not taking your bullshit destabilized currency, but if you can pay me in gold, which is basically equivalent to a Level 1 Financial Instrument in the Fair Value Hierarchy, then I'm going to take physical settlement no problem. If countries buy and hold Gold Bullion for the above reason, that means the finite amount of gold on earth is further pinched on the supply side for demand sources that use it to produce a litany of consumer and industrial goods all of which have their own demand sources which means price has stability and growth. So yeah the comment you're replying to is right. Have fun building your microchips with your Cryptocurrency raw material. Have fun substituting cryptocurrency for Gold in things that need zero corrosion materials or circuitry. Enjoy typing on your computer with chips and circuitry made out of your physical buttcoin. GTFO of here with this.

Local_Math_5512

What are you on? Did you miss the point? This was the crux of my argument for why the value needs to be in the store platform and not in the game. Steam, for example, is one of the largest PC game distribution platforms. Imagine steam had a token. To use your example of GTA dollars. Players would try and compete for GTA dollars while the game is hot and has a lot of active users but they would convert those GTA dollars on the regular to steam tokens because they know popularity of GTA might fade. Eventually a new game would come out and they could use those steam tokens to buy new games and new game tokens and the cycle would continue. If you want to create an actual gaming economy on blockchain then the long term main value needs to be through the game distribution platform rather than the in-game tokens.

SevereCalendar7606

This is pretty cool. Good job. I'll mine on my PC browser when I get home. If your still fresh in the code bring your own keys would be a nice touch. How does it treat mining behind a VPN. pub key: 8b2f276c65890b5a73f95a18fdacf4ad1a97c867f37f5f3d05025f0d70f8e27f

Only_Writing5308

How do I open my wallet from another PC? e7deb56e59c5fabb0e99f252fb0ae6bf7a9f5831a4eee455ec8ecf2c5561dff3

Flat-Ocean

He's dead.  He had his keys on a PC that crashed, with no backup and rage quit.  Who knows? Lots of potential reasons that he is not the world's greatest HODLer

MichaelMJTH

During the COVID era I did some mining on my personal gaming PC whilst working from home. I stopped when the cost electricity shot up in Europe (because it would no longer be cost effective), and put my funds in a Nexo account. I sold half of it 2024 at $70k right before the prices shot to the moon. Earlier this week I sold the rest of it at $70k right before this crash. Coincidence in timing in both cases, but seeming perfectly balanced to miss a boom and now a bust.

Numerous_Ruin_4947

You can save it as a mpv file on a PC but then you'll have to convert it to gif. I wanted to do the same thing, lol!

Agitated-Bird-4333

I remember going to the Bitcoin faucet website. I don't remember the name. It had a large faucet with coins dropping. They were free. All I had to do was download and save them on my PC. I thought, meh, and left the site.

procabiak

AI isn't making any actual profit either. only NVIDIA the shovel dealer is. It's even more speculative than bitcoin. It's only a matter of when they will collapse, not if. And when they do collapse, one or both of these two things will happen: 1/ AI data centres shut down and sell all the GPUs for cheap. Only loss leaders will be willing to stick around, meanwhile AI is slowly becoming home PC friendly due to open source. Why pay $180~240/yr when the market is about to be flooded with second hand GPUs you might be able to snag for $500 on eBay and you can run your own AI with full privacy for many years to come. 2/ AI data centres (especially ones stuck on a commercial rea lease contract) will fill it up with the next best thing: Bitcoin miners. GPUs will be converted to shitcoin miners and you stall yourself from flooding the second hand gpu market (lower supply = retains higher markup price for longer). If you're bleeding money, you may as well bleed less money.

Kekkins

you have already mined eth then you already know the basics and if you have a pc desktop or laptop with a GPU that doesn't suck at all you can obviously try mining with the GPU again...if you go to the website whattomine.com there is a long list of coins that you can mine with the GPU...among the first is Vertcoin which is the most interesting and easy to mine with its software that even a monkey could use...just go to vertcoin.org and download One-Click miner, literally 2 clicks and you are already mining (put the exception on the antivirus as with all mining software obviously)...you can use the PC without problems while mining in the background, probably the Vertcoin mining is so light that you can even play games without noticing drops in fps...just try...

foegra

I'm buying a mini miner PC now 

xxALLARKxx

1. No one did, you could mine Bitcoin on a PC by just running the software. 50 BTC every 10 minutes to whoever won the block. It was like winning fun tokens for letting your PC run. 2 & 3. Search the sub 4. So you know nothing about Bitcoin, its obvious, are you some kind of karma farming bot ?

MinimalGravitas

Your best option is to use a Safe multisig, with signers set up on different devices running different (open source) wallet software. All that can be done for free, assuming you have at least some of the following: a phone, a laptop, a PC, someone you trust to be a keyholder. With a multisig you can set the number of signers required to confirm a transaction, for example 2 of 3, and this protects you in multiple ways, but basically: if one of your devices is hacked or infected with a keylogger or whatever they can't get your funds; and if you lose a device or one gets stolen then you can still get your funds. This is how basically all OGs, DAOs, DeFi treasuries etc etc manage their funds.

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Forymanarysanar

Biggest issue is that you will cause your PC components degradation at much faster rate and in the end 1 dollar per day at most you'll get from it will not be worth it

noddingacquaintance

They are asking you if you intend to repurpose the old PC in order to mine btc, OR use the old PC to run a btc network node, two different things requiring different hardware to perform their work.

Brettanomyces78

I don't either. What, exactly, is like a PC with mining software?

qwertyuiop121314321

Your not going to be able to mine bitcoin from an old PC that came from work.

not420guilty

Start small, use your existing PC cpu to mine Monero. Only If that works out well invest in mini g hardware

Defenestrate69

I did the same man. When I was in college got my PC all set up with my 580 and did the math and it was t going to cover the electrical costs… but this was when coins were worth a few hundred bucks…

baller4ever87

All good man! And yeah just a typo not including the “and” between memory and storage. But to kind of answer your question, SanDisk does make SSD’s, the SSD in my gaming PC is from SanDisk

Not_A_Casual

Oh man you are really gives me lols. You said “memory storage” as if memory storage is a thing and not two separate things that’s what I’m laughing sorry man maybe it’s just a typo and I really do apologize I think I’m being a dick I need to real it back and be more respectful I’m sorry. It just really bothers me when people call these companies that make integrated circuits AI companies. Certainly a large part of their customer base is AI but they did the same thing 10 years ago and barely any of their total addressable market was AI. Micron has made flash memory products for years so like the RAM in a PC for example and they also make flash storage products which is like your SSDs or even motherboards or similar devices have little nand chips which are relatively quick accessible storage for processors’. Sandisk I believe only makes flash storage. These companies are used for all types of applications. Of course and as you know AI companies are amount their suggest customer as they are needed for the massive data centers. Again sorry for being a dick.

mabradshaw02

Mined bitcoin on a PC for funzies, in 2013 timeframe cuz a buddy was doing it. Had a few dozen, don't recall how many, then PC died, didn't bother to save the HDD... Then got into Bitcoin trading/mining again in 2016. Then got upside down trading a few times, mining was a losing proposition at that time. Off/On mining and trading, overall, up 10k... but never what I should have been since I'm in IT and tech is my life.

myshark

Thought the same thing at the time. Funny enough to mine btc, satoshi put an executable on source forge. Could literally download it, click generate, and you were off to the races. Created a wallet.dat folder on your PC. 0 configuration or tech skills needed.

ryman9000

Parents throwing shit away without asking is a major pet peeve. I swear this is a story I've heard many times. "had bitcoin, parents tossed PC" like fuck dude... Sorry that happened to ya.

Bitcoinsnailposting

I had a wallet of 400 BTC from back in 2010. I went to college for a semester and PC (an old Dell) was put in the barn by my mom. By 2014 I wanted the computer back because I thought I hit it big. My mom had thrown it away.

NewBGenesis

Rules of life for Technology: 1.Watch what links you follow, if you follow a link, it should be something you prompted yourself from the legit site. 2. Be cautious of who calls you if it's unknown. If you have to Verify information, via call, Hang up if they called you. Be cautious when giving any info. 3. DON'T SIGN NON- KNOWN PACKAGES. If you're not expecting a huge package don't sign it. Dont sign for small items or small mall. 4.You can keep your sensitive info in a central location as long as it's not used publicly and socially(if you like comment or share,dont do it on that account you have on that platform. Nobody can hack an account that they don't know about unless they hack your device all together. Only works well on mobile devices, never do this on PC due to easier to get Viruses) 5. Never answer with your normal voice and response if you don't know who it is. Do an accent because people can steal and mimick your voice.

MysticalMiggy

Because human nature doesn't work that way for beginners, man. If you don't have the discipline to let a demo trade play out, you will literally find yourself logging back into the app every 2 minutes on your phone, getting anxious, and deleting the OCO order manually anyway. The physical ability to interfere is the real enemy here. He needs to transition to a strict "one trade per day" rule, win or lose, and shut down the PC.

DD4LIFE8

Nope, can’t say I’m in the same situation because I never invest more than I can afford to lose. Therefore I don’t find myself in a situation of needing to sell at a loss. I also diversify so I have options. Max out both mine and the wife’s Roth IRA yearly ($15k) which technically I can withdrawal the contributions without penalties in an emergency if needed. Also got my company stock (Publix) that I can take a loan out against up to 80% of the value if needed in an emergency. All crypto (leveraged) investments are therefore just extra income to buy things we don’t need (lift on my truck, gaming PC, new electronics etc etc), fund home improvement projects and to continue to strengthen my stock portfolio or long term crypto Spot bags. I only trade with $20,000 on leverage, typically 100x on BTC and 5-20x on others (always hard SL’s and only 0.5-1% risk per trade) and that port is used to fund the above listed items. Even on Oct 10th I had barely any losses. Proper RM with a slow and steady strategy is always best. Definitely diversify next time to give yourself options. maxing out your yearly Roth ($7500+$7500 for your wife) is the first and foremost thing you should be doing. You can day trade within your Roth an owe no taxes on anything that happens within that account. You can also buy BTC through an ETF like Ibit or in the form of Micro Strategy shares. Personally for my wife’s Roth I invest 70% into VT and the rest into a combo of BTC and other crypto’s as a set and forget long term investment. I prefer VT’s world exposure over VOO or QQQ and my Publix stock performance is similar to SCHD performance. I just like VT best for the bulk of the investment as a long term, diversified option. In my Roth I buy individual stocks and day trade them. Either intraday’s, longer term swings (weeks or months) or scalps. Eventually I’ll probably start building up a VT stockpile in my Roth and some BTC as well. But planning to mostly just leave mine to single stock plays and have the wife’s focus on that slow and steady approach.

crakinshot

You absolutely don't need to deposit money on coinbase to 'active' it. You should be able to just create a deposit address within coinbase and freely share that deposit address to them. If they got you to create a normal coinbase account; i.e. didn't give you bad links, then I'd also be concerned about the PC, your email, or phone being compromised

OfferLazy9141

Could sell this tona PC firm... One will be dumb enough

dasmonty

He saved the seed on his online PC..

SchwiftySqaunch

Not sure I completely believe this without details. Did you use a compromised laptop or PC to access it?

AlgoTrad3r

That’s actually the point 😅 I was already glued to my PC screen all day. The watch wasn’t about adding another screen, it was about being able to step away from the desk for a few minutes without feeling completely disconnected from the market.

Defiant_Leg_6335

Bitcoin Core installato su un PC normalmente offline

ahmong

actually surprised he still has his college PC from 9 years ago lol

BlockChainHeritage

You do not necessarily need another PC, even if your current Windows installation might be compromised. If you follow the Tails-based guide, you boot into a completely separate operating system, so Windows itself never starts. By default, Tails runs from the USB/CD in RAM and does not use your internal drive for normal operation, so each reboot starts from a fresh clean state again. That is also why I usually recommend the Tails-based approach if you are dealing with a meaningful amount of crypto and want stronger isolation from your everyday system.

Reasonable-Physics81

Plus u can just have a different PC with the wallet only.

Moist-Fruit-693

Yeah if this story is true he’s definitely the winner here. But man, letting ai Hoover up your PC is wild.

gabbergizzmo

It managed to find a file on his PC... i mean.. Wow!

QuantumOtter9

I first bought bitcoin during the draw down from the $1,000 peak in 2014. I bought at $650 and watched on coinbase as the bear whale was eaten over the course of an hour or whatever it was. When the bear whale was defeated was when I grew my conviction in bitcoin, even though the asset had declined to a third of its original value. Watching the order book just chew on it and see in real time the massive qty of bitcoins become distributed told me all i needed to know about bitcoin to understand what it was and what it could be. Insofar as the future goes, I still hold strong convictions about bitcoin. There are market incentives that provide real demand for a censorship resistant, self-custody bearer asset via distributed blockchain which has no central authority. The demand for these services will only increase. Bitcoin will exist in a sea of alternatives, but it will be a very the reliable, consistent underlayment that everything can be safely involved with since there's no shareholders or owner of the bitcoin protocol. Bitcoin doesn't have to provide millions of transactions per second since it will ultimately be a settlement layer. it won't displace the USD, unless the USD displaces itself I guess, but even in an uncertain future there will be other means of maintaining ledgers and sending payments more efficiently than bitcoin can do, but bitcoin will always be there providing the financial services of a limited supply digital asset. One worry I do have is the node operators of the future in 1 or 2 decades from now. Today our culture is awash with hobbyist technologist because we were raised with the PC. Node's carry a lot of water for the network and Bitcoin's decentralized node architecture relies on interested parties to maintain nodes. Keeping it easy and accessible is really important for the future health of bitcoin because giving kids something to tinker with will become more and more difficult as we continue our move away from PC culture to smartphone culture.

Puzzleheaded_Ad_4478

That's what I said. Anyone can save your art to their PC but your signature is protected by NFT. You remain the unique owner of the property.

One-Elderberry4046

About 13 years ago, I had a similar experience, where i convinced my 17year old self, I could trade up my hard-earned, but still rusty CS:GO knife for a shiny blue one. couldnt let this thought go until one night I just stood back up, went to the PC, and placed the bet. Well, it didn't go well, but at least I haven't felt any need to touch any kind of gambling ever since. Every time i see someone gamble i think back at the emberassing feeling i had that night.

disruptioncoin

As far as you know. Don't get me wrong, I trust my Trezor as much as is reasonable. I have a model one and it's been out a long time, someone probably would have found out how to manipulate it by now. But the fact that you are plugging it in IS a potential attack vector, even though they designed it not to be. Attackers (white hat researchers, mostly) have found all kinds of attacks on Trezors over the years, all of which have been patched. So it's reasonable to think there could be SOME way to commit malfeasance via the USB connection, assuming an attacker already has control over the host PC. The only similar attack I can think of is the one where people get tricked via phishing into downloading a fake instance of Trezor Suite, which then uses social engineering to trick the user into updating their firmware AND ignoring the warning on the Trezor that the firmware is not authentic (not signed by Trezor Labs). Then the fake firmware sends all your bitcoin away. That requires a significant level of user interaction and stupidity though. Point is, a wired connection is still best to be avoided if possible. In my mind however there is the caveat that the longer a device has been out, the more secure it is due to how long people have had eyes on the code. I'd prefer to use one of the newer wallets that requires NO connection at all to sign transactions (simply transfers unsigned/signed messages back and forth using QR codes and a camera on the host/wallet). But I haven't gotten around to upgrading yet and I haven't done enough research on my options. And I'll feel better about switching once these newer devices have been out a bit longer.

Medfried

UK or any region doesn't matter. Think of wallet as a device (Hardware wallet) or a program like Chrome (Metamask and Rabby etc) that you use to access your Blockchain address. For starters, if you're looking for a hot wallet then install Rabby wallet or Phantom wallet on your PC/Mac/iPhone/Android and generate a new wallet address and SAVE your seed phrase (a unique combination of 12 words) at a very safe place (preferably write it offline). Then you can withdraw your crypto from Kraken to that wallet address. Don't reply to any of the DM you receive. They're all scams.

CanStad

When I was in another province, I had a techie buddie I use to game with on World of Warcraft. After school one day, he spent like an hour trying to set me up for Bitcoin and get me the wallet. I was pissed because I wanted play either Gears or Halo and smoke some weed while mom was at work. He basically showed me a bunch of stuff on it; I thought it was the equivalent to Neopets, but he basically spent like 10 bucks to start me off. I really wasn’t paying attention, but somehow he knew it was going to be something big. I fucking didn’t. My computer graphics card had a burn out glitch where purple lines were all over my games, and my mom offered to help me chip in for a brand new PC if I got a summer job. To shorten this, I ended up tossing the whole PC out. I considered transfer a bunch of stuff, but like my meme folder and mp3 folder was basically all I needed from it as at the time I only used the PC to play World of Warcraft, CS Source, TF2, and Gmod. The new PC could run my games at 60 fps up from 15-26 FPS on my old PC, and I didn’t even look at the old PC as a resale, so I chucked it out. I genuinely had no thought about the Bitcoin until 6 years ago. What a fuck around.