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anon0937

I use my PC to mine crypto instead of a space heater during the winter. Works like a charm

Dexx1976

I thought that. But malware on my PC gave a hacker access to Binance via a left-open web page. Even though i have google MFA on my account, they still managed to withdraw. I dont know how.

Billkr

There is no way to mine Bitcoin from your phone. PC CPU and GPU mining died years ago. If you want to mine bitcoin, purchase a Bitaxe miner and lottery mine.

Money_Storm8799

On the Trezor. Never enter a seedphrase into a general purpose device like a PC or phone.

Mighty_Buddha

There's quite a few, actually. They either have you run an app (PC/phone) or an extension in your browser.

LeSplooch

That's exactly why I do everything crypto on my phone rather than on my PC, there are more security checks and features on a phone with Android or iOS that will prevent such issues and hacks, and Windows is generally more of a target for hackers. It doesn't make a phone invulnerable to hacks for as much, but it's still more secure than a Windows PC and it's at least not as easy to mess with the clipboard and other things. Use your phone instead of your PC whenever you can.

disruptioncoin

You really gotta check at least the last 6 or so characters of a receiving address before sending anything. And re-install windows. I wouldn't even create the iso/download it on this PC tbh, borrow a laptop or something.

riscten

100% Jade. The way they implement stateless mode and airgap is excellent. It's one of the few wallets that gets it right, enabling it to be an absolute fortress for your wallet. The great thing about Jade is also that you can build your own relatively easily, just like Seedsigner, but their codebase is a lot simpler, as it is meant to run on the ESP32, a microcontroller, instead of a full blown Linux computer like Seedsigner uses. This makes the system extremely verifiable and much easier to audit. Trezor is good, but doesn't support airgapped communication or even PSBT over an sd card. It relies on USB or Bluetooth (Safe 7 only) to communicate with your phone or PC, which greatly increases its attack surface.

digitalr3lapse

They can technically mine sha-256 (btc's algorithm. Here are some stats ai spot out. Reguarless is they are 100% correct... The odds are astronomical. You are MUCH better off playing the lottery "Attempting to solo mine a Bitcoin block with a standard PC CPU is virtually impossible for earning Bitcoin today. It's not about luck but about the extreme difference in computing power between your computer and professional mining setups. To show you why, let's compare the hash rates: · 🔬 Your PC's CPU · Hash Rate Example: 0.0001 GH/s (100 MH/s) · Representative Hardware: Consumer CPU (e.g., Intel Core i7) · 🏭 Entry-Level ASIC Miner (considered minimal for solo mining) · Hash Rate Example: 6 TH/s (6,000 GH/s) · Representative Hardware: Older-generation ASIC (e.g., Antminer S9) · ⚡ Modern ASIC Miner (competitive hardware) · Hash Rate Example: 140 TH/s (140,000 GH/s) · Representative Hardware: Bitmain Antminer S19 XP · 🌐 Total Bitcoin Network · Hash Rate Example: ~500,000,000 TH/s (500 EH/s) · Note: This is the combined power your PC competes against. 🤔 Understanding the Odds and Challenges The chance of finding a block is your hash rate divided by the network's total hash rate. · With a PC CPU: Your probability in any given 10-minute window is astronomically small—effectively zero. It would take billions of years on average. · Even with a single ASIC: A miner with 270 TH/s had a 1-in-30,000 chance per day (roughly once every 82 years on average). · Recent "Luck" Stories: In late 2025, a miner with just 6 TH/s beat 1-in-180-million daily odds to win a block. Another with 270 TH/s had a 1-in-30,000 daily chance. These are considered extreme lottery-level wins.

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Low-Equipment-2621

At this point it is vastly worse than hosting your own software wallet on your (non-Windows) desktop PC.

disruptioncoin

Just be sure to check back in on it when you do this. I cheaped out on a few when moving my wife's coins to her wallet before leaving for a while. 18 months later, I turned my computer back on, let core sync, and opened Trezor suite. The next day I saw a recent and mysterious $10k transaction from my Trezor. At first I panicked thinking I got hacked somehow, which should be quite difficult to do unless my seed got compromised. But rationality reigned me in: who only steals part of a wallet? And then I realized it was from a labelled address I had previously kept my wife's funds on. Turned out my transaction had never been confirmed to a block 18 months ago, but finally did when I turned my PC back on. Best I can surmise about what happened is: when turned my PC off before I left, the transaction was still in my Bitcoin nodes mempool. When it came back on 18 months later and re-synched, the transaction was re-broadcast, as Core does. Which makes sense because it's very unlikely any other node would hold a pending transaction 18 months. So yea, just check in on low fee transactions to make sure they complete.

oak1337

No. Again, permissioned vs permissionless does not effect Hedera's Fair Ordering. Hedera’s fair ordering is a result of the Hashgraph algorithm, not the council or node operators. The use of a Median Timestamp (consensus on when a transaction was received by the network) mathematically removes the ability for a single "leader" to decide the order, regardless of whether the node is a Google-run server or a home PC. You're saying Algorand’s "First Come, First Served" (FCFS) is "good enough" because the proposer is chosen randomly and secretly. I'm pointing out that "good enough" is still a vulnerability that allows for financial exploitation, which violates the core purpose of a DLT. On Hedera it's mathematically and architecturally impossible (nothing to do with permissioned/permissionless). On Algorand it's harder, but it still exists, and it will be exploited because it exists.

Zestyclose_Narwhal43

Genuine question, sorry if it’s dumb but do I need a PC to transfer my coin to a cold wallet, if so how do I protect myself from any kind of leak or exposure. I want my coins safe but I am completely computer illiterate

PapayaJuiceBox

Better than the guy whose PC ended up in a landfill.

brtastic

1. I was buying 0.1 btc for $350 multiple times, only to convert it all to shitcoins right away. 2. I once used a javascript application working as a web page to get some info about my seed phrase. Did it correctly: downloaded from github, ran offline, closed before going offline. The problem was that a year later, my browser randomly restored that page for me, together with my seed phrase as form input field. So I was effectively running a hot wallet for a year, on a windows PC, which I don't trust to be very secure either.

bandures

Probably it's someone like my bro. His co-workers presented him a bitcoin mining PC for birthday around 10 years ago and he plugged it in and forgot about it. He mentioned it a couple of years ago as we discussed crypto and he said he never checked into it and he probably hasn't checked since.

Nomad_Soul1988

I think this tool will help you: https://github.com/BitGo/wallet-recovery-wizard/releases?page=13 but it's best to use it offline on an old PC without internet. If you have any questions, feel free to write to me :) I'm not a stupid scammer who wants your data. The format iv... what you have is probably an encrypted seed phrase but you need to know the correct password to decrypt it. 

HedgehogGlad9505

Does the wallet have 12 or 24 English words, maybe also an extra passphrase? If so, get a clean phone, e.g. an old one and factory reset it. Then go to https://bluewallet.io/ and choose the link that should direct you to the official app store. Use "import wallet" and enter the words in exact order. You should be able to see how much in it. Then turn the phone off and decide what to do next. If you already know it has more than 1k dollar, skip the blue wallet part and buy a Trezor hardware wallet. Then follow the manual. Electrum is also good, but it's on PC, and most people don't know if their PC contains virus. Also NEVER enter these words in any web browser, your money will be gone in 10 minutes max. Don't answer to DMs. If you are not sure how to proceed, ask in public and only respond to public comments.

Docc653

I was a big advocate for BTC back around 2017 with all the hype, first fomo etc I was gifting friends with 50 bucks worth around 3000 usd btc Guess what? No one bothered to keep the keys safe (I deleted them from my personal PC cus I thought was being a good friend) lol

flekinjos

Even putting aside all the Ledger’s user info leaks (which you can circumvent by buying a cold wallet from a reputable brick and mortar vendor), Ledger sucks in my opinion because it forces me to always update the wallet’s firmware and PC/phone companion app, just to do a basic transaction. Now, I wouldn’t want to have to update every time, because I don’t have the time nor will to track all the bullshit they add into their software over time (shitcoin support, ads, and most of all - ability to send them your passphrase for “safekeeping” lol). Either go for different company (as many have suggested - Trezor), or use an old phone (restore it and never connect it to the internet/wifi again) as a cold wallet with air-gapped wallet combo (there are several app pairs, such as AirGap, that allow for this).

Fuzzy-Membership4026

I have almost 15,000 USDT in a wallet that I saved its 12-words in Lastpass. The stupid me memorized lastpass master-password by memorizing the location and order of the keys on the keyboard on my MacBook and not the accual password. When I switched to Ubuntu on PC, the same keys order on the keyboard didn't work ! The different keyboard layout between win-mac keyboards missed up my mind and I couldn't find the correct combination. It's been almost 2 years now and I can't solve this keyboard layout difference.

Aussiehash

Learn how to use a reputable open source hardware wallet, and make sure your mnemonic seed phrases never, ever exists in digital form outside of your hardware wallet. You must NEVER enter your mnemonic seed into your phone, PC, browser, password manager, cloud or photo album

crunchyeyeball

Memorizing it is fine, but ***only*** memorizing it is crazy. You'll likely have forgotten it by the next market cycle peak. At 20 years old, you've likely never tried recalling stuff you memorized 5 or 10 years ago. Hell, whenever I come back from a short holiday I've usually forgotten the password for the office PC I use multiple times per day. If you can't trust those around you, then at least scribble clues in some random book nobody else will read.

hk-hulk

Sorry to hear that. That’s one of the reasons why we build PlugOS to secure assets and data without trusting your mobile or PC.

JawtisticShark

I lost a few bitcoin but didn't even have an actual wallet yet. This was probably sometime around 2011 if I had to guess. the best I can trace it back was I remember hearing the news that bitcoin hit $100 for the first time and that reminded me of when signed up to mine it. I searched back through my email and found the site I signed up for. It placed miners in groups and divided up mined coins between them, and your account held how much bitcoin you had earned until you manually transferred it to a wallet. I tried logging in and no such luck. I checked the site and found they had a disclaimer that accounts that were dormant for over a year had any coins redistributed. I checked and it was well over the year mark. The best I recall I had somewhere in the single digits, more than 1 but not more than 10. I don't recall more accurately because at the time it was a novelty that I had built a new PC after college and didn't need to have the portability of a laptop any more, so I had fun with the stuff like bitcoin mining or folding@home and such. with the new processing power. I never imagined bitcoin would be anything more than a novelty. when it hit 50k or 100k i felt a little bad for missing the boat, but had I saved those coins, I would have sold them at $100 or at least at $1000. no way I would have held onto them until 100k. I might as well be sad that I didn't buy the right lottery ticket any time any powerball numbers are drawn.

FinlStrm

"Not your keys, not your crypto." Comes to mind here... OP, if you're worried about security, pickup a hardware wallet. Trezor, Ledger, etc. store backup keys offline (never touching, typed, shown, etc.) to an Internet connected PC. Then security of a given exchange doesn't matter too much as they simply become the ramp.

Currencyhub

THIS IS AN ESTIMATED AMOUNT — NOT EXACT! I wrote it off my PC so you can see where i am at...

Frosty-Permission-14

As long as BTC isn't as simple as having a bank account, ETFs are for the masses. Your dessilusional and living in the BTC bubble when you expect that anyone is able to handle crypto today. There are people not able to handle a freaking PC. And don't even start with Smartphones. So break down your expectations and face reality: ETF are the best thing happened to BTC and crypto in a long while, as it creates the path for mass adoption and enables people without a clue about crypto to invest in it. Your "not your keys bot your coins" argument isn't valid here.

midipoet

> This whole digital Euro thing is just a study the EU is commissioning, there is no guarantee that anything will come out of it. Honestly, I don't think this is true. They have already published the proposed legislation underpinning the Digital Euro. They intend these to be passed in 2026. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:52023PC0369 And https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:52023PC0368

forestwinds26

Also you can use a dedicated offline device for encryption that way your keys are never exposed For example an old PC with no WiFi or Bluetooth chips running fedora with full disk encryption used to encrypt the files before moving them to an online PC using QR codes or one time use SD card/USB sticks that are destroyed after The only problem i see is that if I know your using this I could kidnap you and wait 30 days for the money Nice write up thanks

ceihuslo

For PC wallets, something like Exodus or Atomic Wallet is usually less noisy and pretty beginner friendly. I use IronWallet on mobile and keep my desktop setup boring on purpose.

__redruM

Can you make an account on Kraken and transfer them? Or even just setup a wallet on your PC or phone?

noviwu97

I mean if you connect Hardware wallet to a browser extension, the keys are still offline within the hardware. So if your PC got hijacked by remote control virus or there's key stealing malware like in Trust Wallet's case, they can't steal anything from your hardware wallet. Also hardware wallet doesn't mean cold wallet. Most serious people are transacting in DeFi with hardware wallet.

UrbanBoyToronto

Hey all, I appreciate the feedback, but let me add some context because the thread blew up way more than expected. My kid definitely isn’t missing out on being a kid. This wasn’t his only gift; he got other presents too. On top of that, he already has a pretty big Pokémon collection, including a few PSA 10s he’s proud of. As for the Bitcoin part, he’s actually been doing this for a few years now. It’s not me forcing anything on him; he uses his allowance, birthday money, and whatever he saves. A few months ago, he even used some of his profits to buy himself an e-scooter. So he understands the idea of saving, spending, and earning. And trust me, he’s not short on toys. He’s got a PS5, VR, a gaming PC, and a Roblox account with more in-game purchases than I’d like to admit. So, yeah, he still gets to be a kid. Also, his sibling has their own wallet too. I’m just trying to teach them both about money early, in a way that’s fun and age-appropriate.

AmishCryptoGuy

So you had your private keys on your work PC? You cant just "brute force" encryption

GrumpyOldBtard

Well the only proof is that I used a work PC for transfer and home PC. If he denies it, then what can I do?

GrumpyOldBtard

Yeah I know but it was early days of Bitcoin, i made a terrible mistake of using a work PC and even though the file was password protected and deleted they still eventually got into it.

GrumpyOldBtard

Why? Because greed and people are shit? It was my former boss. They recovered an old file from a PC and brute forced it most likely

Kriskao

Cold Wallet and Hardware wallet are not the same. You can create a cold wallet with a pc and no cost at all. You just make sure the PC is offline and create the wallet, then make offline (physical) notes of your public address and private key and remove everything from the pc. Then you deposit to the public address and that is a cold wallet for as long as you don’t need to transfer out of it.

Squeiner

Bitcoin is a computer program that you (or anyone) can run on your PC. What the program does is to implement a monetary system which networks with other people who are also running it on their PC, creating a monetary network. What's interesting about it is the characteristics of the monetary system it implements. It's inherently borderless and global. It does not rely on a central authority to track spending or supply new tokens. It's permissionless. The native token is supply capped at 21M units, each divisible into 100M smaller pieces called Satoshi or Sat (Plural Sats) named after the Creator of the program Satoshi Nakamoto. There's obviously much more to it, but essentially proponents tend to think that this will be the money of the world in the future, and detractors think its collapse is imminent. Recomended content: Books: The Bitcoin Standard (Saifadean Amour) Mastering Bitcoin (Andreas Antonopoulos) The 7th property (Eric Takes) The Blocksize War (Jonathan Bier) Podcasts: Bitcoin Audible (Guy Swann) What Bitcoin Did (Peter McCormack) The Path to Bitcoin (Anon) YouTube: The Jack Mallers Show Simply Bitcoin Swan Bitcoin

flying-fox200

Haha... no worries! Air-gapped means the laptop/PC is **not** connected to the internet and - usually - is **incapable** of connecting to the internet. The most extreme way of achieving this is literally by ripping our your Wi-Fi card... (I don't recommend 🤣). The way I did it - which I guess is second best - was by unloading and blacklisting all the networking modules at the kernel level. This is already a pretty high level of paranoia... simply booting into a live Tails session (from a USB) and not connecting to any network would likely be sufficient.

mrjohntalbain

Awesome, thanks for assuming I'm on a PC (I am). Total n00b here, what does air-gapped mean?

flying-fox200

Yeah, all you need to generate wallets is the right software...! Remember that wallet programs are just clever pieces of code. The main selling point of a hardware wallet is that the keys are generated **offline**. However, as batty_spark mentioned, you can just run the exact same programs on an air-gapped Linux PC and achieve the same results. I wrote my own Python programs for generating wallets, but there are plenty of reputable open-source wallets that you can copy (securely) onto an air-gapped PC and generate wallets. I'd recommend Sparrow Wallet.

SteveW928

You can buy ASICs. I doubt the OP was going to try mining with their PC. Running a node is great, but won't do anything to help decentralize mining. I think maybe you're the one who is confused.

dividedSt8s

Buy it. The electricity cost is only part of the equation. Equipment is also a factor. You can’t mine BTC reliably without specialized hardware that is power hungry, loud, and put off a lot of heat. Your home PC isn’t going to do the trick even if your electricity is free.

MatteAce

but is it constrained by physics? it’s the protocol that defines the difficulty of the proof. ASIC miners has taken advantage of this to cut everybody else’s off from mining. If there was no ASIC technology, or if the coin was code-constrained to be CPU-bound, we’d still be mining with our home PC probably.

Consistent-Square742

I mined some back in 2013. BtC was 200 at the time and I only had like a tenth of one cashed it out later for like 6k. It happens more than you think, especially if its on some PC back in the day.

ThatsNotRich

Ahhh that black wd80 brings back memories man! Had it on my original PC and it didn't let me down. 

CortaCircuit

Sell the PC, trade on the library computer. 

claykiller2010

Can I make my one "one shot miner" with a Raspberry Pi? That actually sounds like a fun project to get me back into a Hobby that isn't PC gaming, golf or going out and spending money at the bars haha.

EggMedical3514

think it is very important just to learn how Bitcoin seeds and wallets work. Just go to Iancoleman.io/bip39/ and play around with it. Generate a 12 or 24 word seed and look at the addresses that are derived. Then add a passphrase and look how the addresses have changed.  Put the seed + passphrase into a "legacy" sparrow wallet on your PC and see how the addresses it generates are the same as the derived addresses on the ian coleman website. Then repeat the process when an entirely different wallet on your PC. Blue, or electrum, etc. See how the addresses they generate are the same as the derived addresses on the ian coleman website. Then grab the "account extended public key" from the website and stick it into a sparrow wallet "watch-only" wallet on your PC and see how the addresses it generates are the same as the derived addresses on the website. Repeat the process with other wallets. These little exercises will get you comfortable with seeds and passphrases and drive into you that Bitcoin and the blockchain are independent of the hardware or software that you are using. I wish someone had told me this stuff when I first started out. P.S. MAKE SURE TO NEVER USE ANY OF THESE SEEDS IRL. To use this website to generate your actual seed involves an offline process that you can learn about later.

Lanky-Occasion8005

To enter the passphrase in the Trezor One you have to type it in your PC's keyboard.

longonbtc

BlueWallet, Blockstream BTC Wallet (Green), and Nunchick are good open source wallets for your mobile phone. Sparrow and Electrum are good open source wallets for your PC.

ShittingOutPosts

If you use a hardware wallet and never input your seed phrase anywhere on your PC, do you still have to worry about kernel level anti-cheats?

RetiredAvocado

Trust must be placed somewhere. Do you trust the keyboard you're typing on? Why, because it doesn't appear to have keylogged and stolen all your passwords yet? Did you examine all USB or wireless signals the keyboard is sending to PC? Do you trust TailsOS? Why, because you audited all of the source code and compiled it yourself?

seanmg

Did mom pay your electric bill or are you just ignoring those costs?   Did you have dedicated mining rigs to make any meaningful amount of money or were you using your consumer PC to mine pennies worth of XMR?

SmugPolyamorist

Not true. The earliest versions of the bitcoin client had CPU mining functionality included, and it was still worthwhile for most of 2010. Early 2010, difficulty was 1, and it was still under 20 until the summer. 1MH/s, performance achievable from eg. a Athlon 3800 X2, already out of date by that point, would be good enough for nearly a block (50BTC) an hour in January, and about a block a day by June. If you could buy a PC like that, or just use a public one, or get an office job and use one at work, you could easily amass a fortune - about 100,000 BTC by the end of summer. 100k BTC is enough that you wouldn't have to wait long to be rich. The price spiked up over $20 in mid 2011, sell 10k at that price and you're comfortably off until late 2013 when it went up to $1k, and you'd have about $100m.

riscten

If anything I'm trying to get AWAY from this noise, so I like the alerts, but I would much prefer this to be a website rather than an app and the alerts to be email-based, so that I don't have yet another app on my phone AND I can actually use this from a desktop PC or laptop, not just a phone/tablet. I think you'll find people on this sub to be largely uninterested in this app as 1. Most of us are really only interested in Bitcoin, not any of the shitcoins, and 2. Most of us are not traders; We hodl and care very little about the price swings.

AwwwBawwws

I don't talk about my stash, but, I'll just say that 2010 was a good year for my PC. It earned its keep.

oak1337

Hedera's architecture offers several unique ways to mitigate these challenges, leveraging its high speed and ABFT finality. This is why synchronous or partially synchronous chains (basically everyone except Hedera) will have difficulty solving this problem, and why Asynchronous is a requirement. Hedera's sharding roadmap (Hybrid Sharding) leverages its unique L1 properties to tackle these problems more effectively than probabilistic or slower BFT chains. Hedera introduced Atomic Batch Transactions (HIP-551). Developers can bundle multiple operations (e.g., transferring HBAR, minting a token, and calling a smart contract) into a single batch that is submitted to the single, global Hedera L1. The ABFT consensus ensures this batch transaction is executed with ACID properties (Atomicity, Consistency, Isolation, Durability). It either succeeds completely or fails completely. This solves the composability problem within the L1. Because ABFT provides finality in under 3 seconds, any cross-shard protocol (even a 2PC or 3PC) has a much shorter locking window than on chains with probabilistic finality (which can take minutes or longer). The rapid finality minimizes the time the state is locked, greatly improving throughput. Hedera's sharding model proposes a Global Coordinator/Committee layer responsible for managing cross-shard transactions. Since the underlying consensus is ABFT, this coordinator layer can be trusted implicitly, minimizing the need for complex, bandwidth-heavy Merkle proofs or repeated consensus cycles across every involved shard. The ABFT ensures the Global Coordinator's view of the state is quickly and definitively known.

No-Entrepreneur-1010

so as a vietnamese living in aus i went aboard to study when i was exactly 18 now im 21. For the first year and a half my parent was worry sick and send a bunch of money like 8k AUD per month. Being so young at that time i know if i keep it in my bank account i ll just spend all of it. And luckily btc was so low at that point like 17-25 i dont really remember, so i just put all the money i have in there ( well to be fair i probably gonna have 2 3 btc if i didnt burn all of it in PC laptop, games, and bunch of stupid shit) but still thats my story but i think im the lucky one

Heisenberg2nd

In the end, among all these L1s, it seems absurd but only Pi Network seems to have embarked on a machine-to-machine payment path and a node can be a laptop, it doesn't need power but scalability and a high number of cores/threads. When it will be used with OpenMind you'll be able to decide how much CPU to use for the required computing power and you get paid in PI, micro payments will be made in USDC, there's already the Circle-OpenMind agreement. I thought it was a sort of useless crypto but if someone has been following in recent months, now more than 400,000 PCs are connected in testnet, when they move to mainnet it will be one of the largest decentralized networks in the world. I tried it too and obviously I don't have high economic returns but I also don't have high hardware/electricity bill expenses because PC is idle and I can work in the meantime.

i_have_chosen_a_name

He could barely move anymore, let alone throw his PC's on the dump. You are saying he disliked his wife and kids so much he deleted the coins on purpose?

bigbiblefire

First time I ever bought BTC it was off ebay. Needed .05 to pay to unlock an app to make custom crew emblems for GTA Online....when it FIRST came out. Had to buy .1 on ebay because it was the easiest/cheapest way to send .05. Had a simple wallet on my PC to receive/send with. Used it once and never again.

Short-Shopping3197

You could just mine it on your PC, then buy weed with it on Silk Road. 

crunchyeyeball

I don't know much about the offerings from crypto.com, but the first question you need to ask is: > *Do I have a seed phrase I can use to recover my funds if company X disappears, or freezes my account, or if my phone/PC is lost/stolen?* On the face of it, it looks like their "Onchain" wallet app *does* provide this: https://help.crypto.com/en/articles/3957410-how-do-i-back-up-my-recovery-phrase This seed phrase / recovery phrase is used to *generate* your keys, so I guess that as long as you write these down and store them securely, it qualifies as "your keys, your coins". Is it a good option? I guess it's better than leaving it on the exchange, but what very brief research I've done raises some red flags, e.g. it's closed source, and the default backup options are iCloud or Google Drive, both of which make me feel dirty.

Hanzieoo

Dell optiplex micro secondhand on Ebay/Amazon is real slick. But in reality just type Mini PC into any marketplace site.

crunchyeyeball

The UTXO input will just be one of the exchange's. The number they show as "yours" is just for the user interface. They won't actually hold separate UTXOs for each user. As for how this happened, there's not enough information here to make an educated guess: * How many people knew your friend held bitcoin? * Did your friend access the exchange through PC or phone, or both? * At the moment of the withdrawal, where was your friend, and did they have their phone with them?

Ruzhyo04

He doesn’t. GPUs haven’t mined Bitcoin since like 2015. And the last GPU miners all basically went extinct in 2022 when Ethereum upgraded to proof-of-stake. I wish there were something worthwhile to mine, it was great heating my house with my gaming PC in these cold winter months.

Educational-Form9390

ChatGPT, Grok, Claude all say the same thing. Had we connected and mined together Bitcoin was dead. It's not me saying so. Do you know the commands for setting up your PC to listen to a specific port? You have no clue and neither did we. We were not computer whizzes, we were low level soldiers from a support battalion, ammo guys, mechanics, supply, fuelers. Our success would have been Bitcoin's death. Luckily, I got 100 witnesses out there. I know this all sounds like complete made-up bullcrap but it is true and verifiable, if you find the members of Aco.

Educational-Form9390

There were no mining rigs then. Less than 35 people were mining non stop then, they mined on a simple PC. I thought millions of people were getting on Bitcoin. I had no idea this was a miniature project then. I was just desperate to mine. The fact that we failed is a miracle, and that saved Bitcoin.

BlownOutRectum

Put all that money into bitcoin. Itll pay its self back eventually, and when you're a millionaire you can just buy a new PC.

Educational-Form9390

We were going to get at a minimum 95% of the hashrate, and that was with only one PC per soldier.

Educational-Form9390

I've researched this very thoroughly. You are right in "more miners the better" but they cannot overwhelm the network. Anyone who controlled 51% of the hashrate had full control of Bitcoin and could do anything, to include burning coins, moving coins wherever, everything. That was Satoshi's biggest nightmare, for the network to become centralized. Bitcoin was dead had we done it. Had the network kept on going then the 100 of us would have eventually become the richest entity in history and by a lot, with possibly half of the total Bitcoin supply. And that is assuming we had just one PC per soldier.

Educational-Form9390

Because the full instructions on setting up the client properly were never posted ANYWHERE on the internet, not even at Bitcoin.org. The only place were those setup instructions were posted was on a very obscure and completely unknown cryptography mailing list, the one in which Satoshi published the white paper. While a few articles were published that Bitcoin was out they left out the setup instructions. I never mined because my PC was not 'listening' on Port 8333. To ensure a computer is listening requires opening up a terminal and typing some Linux-style commands. And that's what killed me and all of us. We were Aco 47th FSB, an Army unit based in Germany. I was in Iraq when Bitcoin came out though.

PlaneCat3427

So I'm guessing you did not use one of the known and safe crypto marketplaces to invest into this Defi project... 😩 Never had to make an external wallet/a software wallet on your own PC to be sent the other tokens? Is it a token that can be sold anywhere? That's a lot of money to lose.

JOATMON12

I was playing league on my PC and had totally given up on consoles in 2012, you and I lived very different lives lol.

EggMedical3514

I think it is very important just to learn how Bitcoin seeds and wallets work. Just go to Iancoleman.io/bip39/ and play around with it. Generate a 12 or 24 word seed phrase and look at the addresses that are derived. Then add a pass phrase and look how the addresses have changed.  Put the seed phrase into a sparrow wallet on your PC and see how the addresses it generates are the same as the derived addresses on the ian coleman website. Then repeat the process when an entirely different wallet on your PC. Blue, or electrum, etc. See how the addresses they generate are the same as the derived addresses on the ian coleman website. Then grab the "account extended public key" from the website and stick it into a sparrow wallet "watch-only" wallet on your PC and see how the addresses it generates are the same as the derived addresses on the website. Repeat the process with other wallets. ---- These little exercises will get you comfortable with seed phrases ad drive into you that Bitcoin and the blockchain are independent of the hardware or software that you are using. I wish someone had told me this stuff when I first started out. 

Reedey

It’s a mini PC. Cost about $300 to buy and that’s it.

TrevBTC36

The only decentralization that exists is to hold it in your wallet, the rest is a design to extract wealth from retail by bots, algorithms, maker markets, they cannot be matched with a PC and a mouse and on top of that they sell you metrics that you pay for believing you are exclusive, a lie!! They have access to information at the speed of light and even more so now with the rise of AI, traders only sell courses because they are in extinction and we already saw what Binance did on October 10, buying cold wallet and goodbye for 5 years is the only option for the poor

fudelnotze

For beginners i often recommend the Exodus-Wallet for PC (Linux, Win, Mac). Because its really easy to understand an the Website have tons of really goid help. Its well explained and theres a lot to learn.

Archophob

if you don't want to trust a hardware wallet, you can build your own cold wallet just using an old PC (no longer connected to the internet) and open source software (i'd recommand electrum) [https://electrum.readthedocs.io/en/latest/coldstorage.html](https://electrum.readthedocs.io/en/latest/coldstorage.html) If you recently bought a new PC because your old one doesn't run windows 11, this is an easy way to keep full control of your coins without trusting any hardware provider. The advantage of hardware wallets is, they need much less electricity than your old all-purpose PC, and if the company that built them did everything right (of if you flash them with a customized firmware), then they are even less likely to get attacked than you no-longer-connected old PC. If you use your old PC, the lazy way is to install electrum for windows, and the safe way is to wipe the hard drive and install linux first.

Reedey

I have my own Umbrel mini PC.

Hanzieoo

This is a bit harder than you make out for someone that only has one Hardware wallet. Couple of options, send you funds to an exchange. Wipe/reset the seed in the hardware wallet and send it back when you have new 12/24 words Or set up a second hardware wallet with new seed words and send it to there. Or lastly make a new wallet on a new Android phone in a new install of Blue wallet, send it there. Then reset your hardware wallet, and send it back. This would be the last resort and also works with Sparrow or Electrum on PC running a Hot wallet. It has some security drawbacks but is the cheapest and most private. Could be made more secure if you are running the PC wallets on a Tails.

Forymanarysanar

Bold of you to assume that I could have bought anything in 2010 aside from cheap icecream once a week with some change that my cheapass parents were generous enough to give me. Although, I suppose even $1 in bitcoins bought in 2010 would be some good amount today. Then again: it's not like I had a PC or internet access at all. Truth is, if you have spare money to just invest left and right, you will be just fine, btc investments or not.

halfwheeled

Serious note about the iMac. I’d steal electricity to do it and i know IT guys that run miners on their networks. I’d be worried that work could see the extra unauthorised PC on their network. I’d fix that by not connecting to the work network but run the miner PC with GSM SIM card network adapter to the phone network (make it untraceable).

EcosystemBuilder

Find an old PC, stat!

MoistGameplays

Been trying to figure out how to mine throughout the years, but had a hard time getting things to work via PC, and with asic machines, they're so expensive :(

cluster4

I would run home, boot my PC, dial up to the internet, wait, navigate to altavista.com and investigate whether the word backup can be written as “back-up”

WickedDeity

Ummmm No kidding. Why would anyone want to sell Bitcoin for gift cards? Do you also think Microsoft will remove the malware on your PC for payment via gift cards? Gift cards are not a currency! I have an idea buy Bitcoin with cash and stop playing life on hard mode.

qwertydcf

Its the same as 2020 before the crazy bullrun. PC ram,ssd,soon gpu shortage AI will go much bigger, this right now is not even close to the bubble pop. Everything is gonna explode> Crypto> GPU prices > everyone is panic buying a PC and Hardware, this will make Stocks and Crypto go pump even more. hf everyone

qwertydcf

Its the same as 2020 before the crazy bullrun. PC ram,ssd,soon gpu shortage AI will go much bigger, this right now is not even close to the bubble pop. Everything is gonna explode> Crypto> GPU prices ye hf everyone

Neon-Fun

Look for a PC to run it, after checking for viruses.

Neurodos

I would feel great because all I really care about is upgrading my PC.

bullythebutcher

Put it in immediately and give my PC aids in hopes of becoming a billionaire.

BenchConstant9328

Luckily I saved an old PC in mint condition.

Ok-Palpitation-74

Put it into an air-gapped (non-networked) Windows 98 or Windows 2000 PC and make sure it doesn't have a file called "autoexec.bat", and if it did, I would rename it and have a look at its contents. If the file format was unreadable, I would take it to an older Linux (Red hat) PC and have a good look at its contents. Once I was certain of the correct file format and that it was a safe enough disc to put in a more modern machine, I would make a few mirrored copies of it onto both thumb drives , hard discs, and the cloud and would work on determining the best way to proceed (from a technical perspective) Being as old as it clearly is, the likelihood that the disc would even be readable and contained any useful data is pretty slim... But... If it was.... After that I'll be figuring out how and IF even it's still even relevant and usable data... I'm guessing that the disc's contents would still need to be decrypted or at the very least would likely need to be loaded into a development platform or version of the original software Mr. Sakamoto developed up to that point, even if it contained valuable or even usable keys or information. I'm guessing "Seed" could refer to the original "seed capital" Sakamoto needed to develop what we now refer to as the "Blockchain", so figuring out what exactly this disc contained would be the next critical cryptogram to solve. 😂

Avalanche325

That is a job for a thrift store PC.

NorthernH3misphere

I’d buy an old PC from a pawn shop for as cheap as possible and check it out.