PC

rgn_rgn

Got a well secured PC? Exodus is fine.

Charming-Designer944

There is multiple layers of security on mobiles, and a remote code execution exploit in one app is not the end of the world. Unlike your PC apps on a phone is sandboxed in an unique environment per app with strict rules on what data on the phone that app have access to. This exploit gives the attacker access to any content and functions already made available to WhatsApp or any other apps using the vulnerable image display library. It does not give the attacker access to any information related to your crypto wallet unless that crypto wallet is completely ignorant of security and stores the wallet as public/shared information (external) and not app-private data (internal).

Conflictingview

>About 3% of the world claims to hold at least some Bitcoin. 3% of PC usage was in the late 70s when the Apple II was dominant. I doubt that 3% of the world's population holds some bitcoin, but I don't know. However, your idea about PC ownership is FAR, FAR off base. [In 1979, 535,000 PCs were sold](https://pegasus3d.com/total_share.html). World Population was 4.4 billion. In other words, 0.01% of the world had access to a PC. If we're being fair and say that PCs are used for about 5 years, you don't get to 3% of the world having access to a PC until **1995.**

crunchyeyeball

*Multiple* points of failure. The first few which come to mind: So presumably he first *typed* out those 12 words before trying to disguise them. That's a big no-no. If the machine he typed them on contained malware, his funds could have been stolen at that stage. It sounds like he got lucky in this case, but others won't be. Where is this file stored? On his PC? What happens when the drive fails? In the cloud? What happens if he loses access? or the provider goes bust? or hackers gain access & delete his files? What happens in 10, 20, 30 years when he no longer remembers the "system" he used, or where the file was stored? Books can be reprinted with minor changes. What happens when he can't find the exact same edition he used originally? Just get a proper hardware wallet and follow accepted best practices for security. You'll sleep a lot better.

Romanizer

We barely reached the first computer at that stage. The Macintosh is from 1984. About 3% of the world claims to hold at least some Bitcoin. 3% of PC usage was in the late 70s when the Apple II was dominant. So you would have to go one step back in that chart.

brendan904

Ser5 Beelink off Amazon. Get an upgraded SSD, I went with 4TB also off Amazon. Install the new SSD (super easy) and then download latest Umbrel OS off GitHub. They have a page for instructions how to flash it to USB and you boot it up. Pretty quick and easy. All in, you get a solid Mini PC that’s future proofed chain wise and a solid Linux based OS with pre-installed apps you just download and run. I’m not technical at all which is why I went down the sort-of-DIY route. Node runs all the time, I’m supporting and feel good about it, didn’t cost me a lot of money (also running my BitAxes off my mini pc too)

spirit-receiver

I agree, I wouldn't recommend a Raspberry Pi for anything more than a simple node. But you can still use the raspibolt guide with a Linux distribution on any mini PC if you want to learn more about setting up a node.

disruptioncoin

They do! I am constantly going back and comparing them wondering which one I want next lol. Especially the Coldcard Q1 and the Jade. Really like the qwerty keyboard on the Q1 - not a fan of entering my password through my PC like I do with my Trezor One. But in the end I feel rather comfortable knowing my Trezor one has been out for a pretty long time and has been attacked many times and had many vulnerabilities exposed and patched. You can't buy back that time with new features. Which device I buy could end up being one of the most important decisions I ever make if Bitcoin continues to grow - it's already a major financial choice, like picking a job or a house. So it’s not something I approach lightly or carelessly.

FancyMusic3783

Its perfect money, if it would be a stock it would be worth 1 million already in 2015 but its chained down by mining aspect (time requiring to lay down mining infra) Bitcoin's price (even though its 'flying' ever since inception) is actually CHAINED DOWN by time, and this chain loosens only slowly each month (even though it doesnt seem so) because it is relatively time consuming to build up mining infrastructure, find cheap energy, make long term deals with energy providers etc. This all takes time and Bitcoin could get only so far in 15 years. Lets assume price of Bitcoin is SUPPLY vs DEMAND. And everyone speaks all the time only about the DEMAND side (basically 'if you buy this for 100k, you will never find an an id*ot that buys this from you for 250k' like Buttcoiner would say OR 'every government needs this as this is the only thing that can be used as a base layer and a unit of measure because nth else is countable without relying on 3rd party' like Bitcoiner would say. But SUPPLY also has its 50% of effect on price while no one is speaking about it. Price of Bitcoin is always CHAINED DOWN by mining price. Lets say it is 2011 and mining 1 Bitcoin on your PC costs 1 usd. Even if majority of Bitcoiners is already convinced Bitcoin is worth 10 usd based on future expectations, price of Bitcoin (unlike stocks) would not be able to get to 10usd over night and stabilise there. With Bitcoin this is a process that takes a lot of TIME. Once price goes up to 3-4usd, everyone will rather switch on their PC and mine Bitcoin for 1 usd over night than buying it now for 5 usd. This relationship obviously increases difficulty so mining price and market price meet somewhere inbetween over time, etc. Sometimes people compare today vs 2021 bull. In November 2021 when Bitcoin was close to 70k, mining price was only somewhere slightly above 20k, i.e. market price obviously not sustainable. In 2017 bull craze it was even sth like 18k market vs 3k mining. Not sustainable.Now the price is 115k and mining costs around 100k. We are in a much more stable situation than 4 years ago. Obviously no one knows where price goes and yes in 1 year we can be at 60k market and 60k mining, but THATS IT. Thats the bad scenario in the current situation. I feel like a lot of people have a PTSD from 2018 and 2021 when they look at 115k but this is completely different situation which from physical perspective looks much more sustainable.

GoldmezAddams

Mining bitcoin profitably these days takes specialized hardware called ASICs and access to very cheap electricity. Professional miners are surely making more than $20 a day, but there are a lot of upfront and ongoing costs. The days of mining on your PC are long gone.

minimaslim

Buy a cold wallet & never show or store your phrase on PC or personal

Amber_Sam

Great to hear. I see you already removed the post so I guess you are all sorted. Just wanted to point out to one thing. Jade (at least JadePlus) has an option to be used as a temporary signer. I use it that way instead of using their blind oracle and every time I type the seed words (and a passphrase) in. No USB cable, no Bluetooth. Just using the QR codes with Bluewallet (or Sparrow on the PC). This is the coldest you can go. I know it's a bit less user-friendly but you're running your own bank, it cannot be easy.

Brrgyy689

Haven't done anything like this yet but I just put Bitcoin knots on a $100 mini pc I already had, downloading the blockchain history was tedious and took 4 days because of its lackluster hardware but runs decently after that finished. It just runs as a desktop PC but I set the settings so it never shuts off, kept Bitcoin knots open, then just disconnected everything but the power supply. Will connect sparrow wallet to it at a later time to see how well it communicates. But so far from the mempool and peer windows, it seems to work.

insidiousfruit

I am referring to each individual person PC that is mining as a node. 1 mining mac may add nothing but 100 million adds something.

longonbtc

Here is a comprehensive tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT4NuAaH3EM That tutorial explains how to run Knots on your normal PC, on Umbrel and on Start9.

Hopeful_Beautiful_94

This looks like the custom PC a 16 year old would build. Tinted window, LEDs and everything. Once you grow out of this shit you'll not be so proud anymore.

AppropriateReach7854

Mining with a gaming PC isn’t really worth it anymore, profit margins are tiny and you’ll just wear out your card. Better to DCA into BTC if you want long-term gains. If you’re curious about payouts without stressing your rig, hashmole lets you rent hashpower, but it’s the same story, small returns unless you scale big

52134682

What's the odds someone buys an old PC from a thrift store and finds a old btc wallet on it?

riscten

> Even though its branded as a public key, when exposed, it pretty much ends your privacy in that all your receive addresses can be identified. To what degree is the public key for my account shared beyond my cold wallet. The companion program/wallet? Other servers? Does this vary by wallet? Regarding this part, I assume you're talking about the xpub (or ypub or zpub)? This is public in the sense that it doesn't need the absolute protection that a mnemonic or private keys require, but it doesn't mean you should post it on social media. Usually, you'll only import it into a software wallet on an online system (like BlueWallet on your phone or Sparrow on your PC) for your personal use. The software wallet needs it to show balance for your entire wallet, to provide you with receive/change addresses when you need them, for instance when constructing unsigned transactions. Your xpub doesn't need to be sent to a cloud provider to transact with Bitcoin, although it's not awful to have it backed up on secured cloud storage, for convenience.

atomicdomb

All you store is the private key. The ownership of the coins is what is transfered and is store globally on every computer which is a full node. So if you store the whole blockchain as a full node then your transactions are stored in blocks. We usually visualize this data as JSONs but it is technically binary on disc storage on your PC.

MannysBeard

I think the only way I'd show off my wealth would be when I travel - fly business, nice hotels, nice restuaraunts - but at home we cook most of our meals, live healthily and catch the train most of the time I like my nice tech and gadgets but also don't need to get the best of the best just for the sake of it, just what is considered high performance for what I need it for. And if that's mid tier vs a high end gaming PC with all the bells and whistles, mid tier it is.

FIRE_and_forget_it

100% - The last thing I want is a lambo or anything in that realm of showoff wealth. What the fuck is going on with people wearing watches? My "big" expense this year was upgrading my home built PC - I finally got a decent GPU and a nice monitor. Spent around $1800 getting fancy. Not because I'm a cheapskate, not because I'm afraid to spend my money or I don't have any or I think I'll lose it or any other weird fear. I just didn't have anything I cared to spend the money on...and then I did...so I did... and now I'm back to not spending much. I think that a lot of people think that they want a lot of "stuff" (for whatever reason). Then you see people with a lot of stuff (big house etc...) and you know what... it looks like work. Keeping it clean. Keeping it safe. That sounds like work - and my ass does not want to work!

brendan904

I got a mini PC and a 4tb SSD for roughly $600. It’s proofed for at least 10 years, maybe even 15. Electricity to run it is negligible with my overall electricity bill

SevenCroutons

Same guy goes to r slash pcmasterrace and posts "Thinking about selling my Xbox One S and getting a Gaming PC. Is this a good idea?"

nicklor

You don't need a high power PC to stake i think a basic pi can handle it so we're talking like .1% at most.

Stompya

Yeah but just wait until the news hits the mainstream. “Anyone with Bitcoin has smut on their home PC and can easily watch ___” Even if it wasn’t quite true it will go nuts and bring a world of trouble

AllKnowingEK

I’ve been looking at the Geekom mini PC just for the purpose of running a node. Will this be OK?

CaptainSugarWeasel

No video sorry, but cold storage means "offline". No need for a hardware wallet to achieve cold storage. If you write down your seed phrase and then delete your wallet, you now have your btc in cold storage (your private keys hopefully no longer exist on an internet-connected machine). Your wallet was online at some point so there is still a risk, and the data could be recoverable from your hard drive unless you use software to wipe the free space. A step better is using a dedicated device (like an old laptop) with a fresh install of the operating system and disabled from being able to connect to the internet. My preferred method for long term cold storage would be to install Tails OS on a USB (Tails comes with Electrum pre-installed, it's a Linux system that boots from USB and runs only in RAM). Create your wallet, make your seed backups, export a public master key, shut down. Boot up Tails again to check that you can successfully restore your wallet from your seed. You can use the public master key to receive btc to your wallet and keep track of your balances (watch-only wallet safe to keep on your normal PC).

Ill_Turn6934

Use a PC to update firmware via a USB cable to the Nano X —> is that correct? I hate the idea of connecting it to a computer but if that’s the only way.

FalseAlternative8159

You have to use a PC.

GoldmezAddams

Generally, if you're not into shitcoining, go for a wallet that only supports bitcoin. Less attack surface. Less temptation to lose money shitcoining. For small amounts and spending, a software hot wallet is fine. I recommend Electrum or Sparrow on PC. For long term savings and amounts you can't afford to lose, get a physical hardware wallet. Look into Coldcard, Trezor, Jade, and Bitbox02.   The problem with a software wallet on an internet connected device is that if the device is compromised by malware, it can ship your private key out to an attacker giving them all your bitcoin. The point of a cold / hardware wallet is that it never exposes your key to other devices, so it can't be sent out. At some point for you, this extra security and peace of mind will be worth the price of the device.

Osedaxiian

Via a friend who was reading a lot of news on his PC, said there was a new online payment system coming. We thought it was kinda like a PaySafe card but with a sort of coin based format like credits. Few cents per coin, oh boy were we young and stupid haha

ThermalShok

Any model is Ledger will still work for you. You can still buy a nano x or even a nano s+ from their official website. I'd only buy from the Ledger official website. I wouldn't use a software wallet. Always reinitialize the device when you receive it. Enter your seed phrase, install the official ledger app on your PC, upgrade the device when asked, and then install the ledger app for each coin.

Kekkins

You can "solo mining" not with Asics but with GPUs if you have a decent one in your home PC...Ergo and Vertcoin can still be mined easily with their simple software that even a monkey could do it in the background while you use the PC for other things...it costs nothing to try...

OkHospital3719

It's good to hear he's finally given up ( he honestly had no chance of recovering it anyway from a landfill) You got to feel it for the guy though knowing how much BTC he has on that PC and it being lost forever. Also that 8k bitcoin is permanently gone from circulation making it even more finite. I expect there are similar stories out there

zeroDropz

Respect, bro. I’m planning something similar – sell everything except BTC at the bullrun peak, then split profits: 50% BTC / 50% Nasdaq or MSCI World. And from the profits I’d also like to buy myself one thing, like a new PC or a tattoo.

SmoothGoing

I have copy pasta on this.. [Trezor Safe 5](https://trezor.io/trezor-safe-5) is very nice to use @ $135. Touch screen, swiping, very smooth. Works with PC wallets and Android wallets. It's the best for daily users. [Coldcard MK4](https://coldcard.com/mk4) @ $178 is great if you want high security, lots of features but not obvious on how to use. It's great if you want to pull it out on rare occasion. The dot matrix looking menus and clicky buttons offer somewhat clunkier usability, i.e. for entering your passphrase. It would take me longer to do the same send function with MK4 vs Trezor Safe 5. The more budget option I would also recommend (and own) is [Trezor Safe 3](https://trezor.io/trezor-safe-3) @ $80. Ledger has baggage and Trezor Model One is a decade old, may soon go out of support, and same as Trezor Model T - no secure element. A more modern generation of wallets with a strong base is Safe 3 or Safe 5. All of these options obviously come with top notch safety, secure elements, whole nine yards, not just "looking pretty." Do not get scammed. Do not let anyone set things up for you. Do not lose or reveal your mnemonic to any app or website to "validate" wallet, or "web3" anything, or other nonsense. Do not fall for scary looking emails telling you to migrate your wallet or some quantum thing and telling you to give up your mnemonic to some website. Doesn't matter if it looks like the hardware vendor made it. Read and follow the instructions and user guides. Enable the passphrase feature and get comfortable with how it creates an entirely separate wallet. Passphrase isn't stored internally so it cannot be extracted from the hardware by any means even if the device is lost or stolen. There are some fans of Jade. Unless you need what it specifically does like bitcoin liquid and AMP token stuff do not buy a Jade.

Wooden_Blackberry_88

You cant produce gold out of thin air, it just gets discovered more and more thats why the supply keeps growing..the value is still preserved. Same goes the BTC it needs security, robbers too can enter your house, the servers, the under water internet cables, the whole country's power grid. Look at what happened to the Ledger founder they literally robbed his house, trying to kidnapp his daughter and beat his boddyguard. Your PC processor runs thanks to gold btw, so why are we comparing apples and bananas ?

Quintall1

First, stop Shitcoin investing, or if you still want to, understand that you are basically going to the casino. Have an exit strategy, is what i am saying. Also, give your money percentages. 80% straight into bitcoin, 15% fun money (get that PC, that tatoo, travel, whatever) and if you really have to, like 5% into shitcoins, because you are going to loose that anyway, been there. or, better, use those 5% for fun too. That way you can follow your investment needs but still get what you want to gift yourself.

ScottKavanagh

Do you have a fiat emergency fund? A lot of us are ₿itcoin maxi’s but all of your eggs in one basket isn’t the smartest bet. Only Invest what you are willing to lose. Plus you are young, you have so much time. You have started early but don’t feel bad about pulling the reigns back on your crypto investments and redirecting that towards other funds. If I were you, I’d sit down and plan a budget. Allocate your income to your living essentials first, then any play money split into your ₿itcoin fund (cancel the other crypto investments), tattoo fund, travel fund, and PC build fund. Invest small amounts into these until you hit goals and then you can move them around again. I use apps that have round up features so I hardly notice it. Live your life man! Just do it smart.

Sephiroth300788

Yes, get a pc. I had to give my pc for repair to IT for a couple weeks and I almost went crazy without my pc. PC is a great investment.

Fun_Professor_4324

You basically made a text to QR generator. As far as me I would probably never type my seed phrase anywhere except hardware wallets. There are key logger threats and many more threats. Seed phrase / private key should never actually be exposed/typed anywhere on a PC let anyone having png of seedphrase, sending png to printers. Lots of areas where it can be snatched. You want to leave the most minimal digital footprint

IMSLI

**Bitcoin boom spurs newly wealthy to splurge on luxury travel** *High end private jet and cruise companies accepting payment in cryptocurrency to tap into growth market* [https://www.ft.com/content/da4e36d8-fb82-454f-8448-4db0752ffa68](https://www.ft.com/content/da4e36d8-fb82-454f-8448-4db0752ffa68) A growing number of private jet and ultra-luxury cruise operators are taking cryptocurrency payments amid booming demand from travellers made rich by soaring bitcoin prices. “Tremendous” demand from young, wealthy customers has prompted Flexjet-owned FXAIR to accept crypto payments, Flexjet chair Kenn Ricci told the Financial Times. FXAIR charges about $80,000 for a trip from Farnborough airport, near London, to New York City. Ricci said Flexjet has had a “significant” rise in bookings in recent months from “young entrepreneurs in the bitcoin space \[who\] fly farther and want larger planes. We save them time . . . And time is the most precious luxury.” Bitcoin hit a record high of $124,000 in recent weeks, boosted by US President Donald Trump’s support for the sector and vow to make America the world’s “crypto capital”. Congress also passed landmark legislation, while Trump has appointed crypto-friendly regulators and backed several digital asset businesses. As well as token prices, shares in companies such as exchange Coinbase and stablecoin operator Circle have reached record highs. “Those who are seeing the value of their bitcoin grow rapidly are spending it on private jets or luxury hotels or luxury cruises,” said Paul Charles, chief executive of luxury travel consultancy PC Agency. “There is a younger generation that’s grown up that is desperate to travel, to not be stuck with the humdrum and the usual.” Luxury cruise company Virgin Voyages’ $120,000 annual pass can now be bought with crypto payments. Meanwhile SeaDream Yacht Club, which operates two super-luxury yachts with a crew-to-guest ratio of almost 1:1, started accepting bitcoin payments shortly after Trump began his second term. For some of the newly wealthy, luxury “is not about butlers with white gloves and golden mirrors, it is about freedom of choice”, said one person close to the yacht company. “If you want to pay in crypto we want to let you do that.” Boutique hotel groups including US-based The Kessler Collection and Hong Kong-founded The Pavilions Hotels and Resorts also accept tokens including dogecoin, litecoin and ethereum. Deep-pocketed young entrepreneurs have sparked a boom in the global luxury travel market. People aged 30 to 40 spent $28bn on luxury travel in 2023, and are projected to spend $54bn in 2028, according to a McKinsey analysis. Nick Fazioli, head of commercial aerospace and aviation at investment bank Jefferies, said the “younger crowds” do not want to “sip champagne and eat caviar”. Bitcoin and tech entrepreneurs have “infinite resources, infinite money, infinite kinds of ambitions”. “The most important thing that is in short supply for them is time,” he said. Private jets mean travellers “can be in three cities in one day and still come back to see your family at night”, Fazioli said. “Once you’ve got used to private travel it’s really hard to go back.”

IMSLI

**Bitcoin boom spurs newly wealthy to splurge on luxury travel** *High end private jet and cruise companies accepting payment in cryptocurrency to tap into growth market* [https://www.ft.com/content/da4e36d8-fb82-454f-8448-4db0752ffa68](https://www.ft.com/content/da4e36d8-fb82-454f-8448-4db0752ffa68) A growing number of private jet and ultra-luxury cruise operators are taking cryptocurrency payments amid booming demand from travellers made rich by soaring bitcoin prices. “Tremendous” demand from young, wealthy customers has prompted Flexjet-owned FXAIR to accept crypto payments, Flexjet chair Kenn Ricci told the Financial Times. FXAIR charges about $80,000 for a trip from Farnborough airport, near London, to New York City. Ricci said Flexjet has had a “significant” rise in bookings in recent months from “young entrepreneurs in the bitcoin space \[who\] fly farther and want larger planes. We save them time . . . And time is the most precious luxury.” Bitcoin hit a record high of $124,000 in recent weeks, boosted by US President Donald Trump’s support for the sector and vow to make America the world’s “crypto capital”. Congress also passed landmark legislation, while Trump has appointed crypto-friendly regulators and backed several digital asset businesses. As well as token prices, shares in companies such as exchange Coinbase and stablecoin operator Circle have reached record highs. “Those who are seeing the value of their bitcoin grow rapidly are spending it on private jets or luxury hotels or luxury cruises,” said Paul Charles, chief executive of luxury travel consultancy PC Agency. “There is a younger generation that’s grown up that is desperate to travel, to not be stuck with the humdrum and the usual.” Luxury cruise company Virgin Voyages’ $120,000 annual pass can now be bought with crypto payments. Meanwhile SeaDream Yacht Club, which operates two super-luxury yachts with a crew-to-guest ratio of almost 1:1, started accepting bitcoin payments shortly after Trump began his second term. For some of the newly wealthy, luxury “is not about butlers with white gloves and golden mirrors, it is about freedom of choice”, said one person close to the yacht company. “If you want to pay in crypto we want to let you do that.” Boutique hotel groups including US-based The Kessler Collection and Hong Kong-founded The Pavilions Hotels and Resorts also accept tokens including dogecoin, litecoin and ethereum. Deep-pocketed young entrepreneurs have sparked a boom in the global luxury travel market. People aged 30 to 40 spent $28bn on luxury travel in 2023, and are projected to spend $54bn in 2028, according to a McKinsey analysis. Nick Fazioli, head of commercial aerospace and aviation at investment bank Jefferies, said the “younger crowds” do not want to “sip champagne and eat caviar”. Bitcoin and tech entrepreneurs have “infinite resources, infinite money, infinite kinds of ambitions”. “The most important thing that is in short supply for them is time,” he said. Private jets mean travellers “can be in three cities in one day and still come back to see your family at night”, Fazioli said. “Once you’ve got used to private travel it’s really hard to go back.”

grey-doc

You're 23 this is the right time to stack. The new PC you can skip.  Expenses on "things" and "stuff" rarely make a life happier, expenses on memories can be better.   Instead of alt coins and shit coins, consider the dividend payers that Strategy has put out, or one of the options income ETFs.  If you intend to sell anything, consider buying things that provide income whether you pay attention or not. If you hate your job, can you make it better?

MevenRekt

Stack sats, but don’t forget to stack memories too. Life is short, man. Don’t fall into the trap of copying the “all-in” grind of crypto gurus you see online. A lot of them already made their base liquidity years ago they can afford to go 100% risk-on because they’ve got millions cushioning them. You’re not in the same position yet, so burning yourself out and missing life along the way doesn’t really make sense. What I recommend for those in your situation : • Every time you buy something “fun” (tattoo, travel, new PC part, etc.), you also put the same amount into assets. • On top of that, if you want to be sure that you don’t burn cash for nothing, only buy something if you can theoretically afford it ×3. That way, you know it won’t sabotage your long-term stack. Over time this becomes almost invisible you still grow your portfolio, but you also actually live your life instead of waiting for some mythical bull run. Go live a life that is worth telling your child about.

Odd-Macaroon-9528

Get that PC since it’s a relatively cheap investment for countless hours of joy, it will keep you sane. The trips around the world can wait for 5 years but this will only happen if you don’t have a child (on your way) by then so that’s a bit more tricky. How much do you invest per month and what’s your target in 5 or 10 years money wise?

user_name_checks_out

> you'll import your multisig wallet to a phone (or PC) app as watch-only Any node you connect to can see the balance of your wallet. Better to run your own node (you should do that anyway). Then run Sparrow on your laptop and connect it to your node, this protects your privacy.

riscten

Multisig is not about the software and hardware. Multisig is about the mnemonics. With a typical 2-of-3 setup, you'd set up the wallet with 3 mnemonics, then you'd need to input 2 mnemonics out of the 3 in the same hardware wallet to be able to spend. Using a phone app to input the mnemonics is not viable as the mnemonics should never be exposed to an online device, but you'll import your multisig wallet to a phone (or PC) app as watch-only, where you'll be able to see your balance and generate receiving addresses. You'll also be able to generate partially signed transactions in the app (send x BTC to Bob), and use your hardware wallet to sign those.

deletriusster

I just don't get it. I'm buying BTC too, just wanted to know what you guys think about quantum PC and BTC...

Sensitive-Hair4841

I will say some words of wisdom, which appears lacking in a lot of people's minds. Bitcoin is worthless. It can be easily re-created on one PC. It is fundamentally at its core worthless. The tech behind bitcoin is outdated and old. It has no patents, it is worthless as it has been copied. The only worth of bitcoin is its name, the marketing. As time goes by, that name will disappear, and it already is happening, people talk about crypto and stable coins and xrp and ether etc, over time the value of ALL of them is going to disappear. 10 years ago, tik tock was unknown....look at it now, and in 10 years, it will be again superceded. Gold, well, yeah, cant be copied, costs money to be mined...

KCConnor

I've probably spent 20 or so bitcoin, mostly in the early days. Buying PC parts, bartering for stuff at libertarian festivals.

Zarigis

There's a difference between "not knowing how your PC works" and suggesting you cut your keyboard cable to make it wireless. This suggestion is about as sensible as that.

mehmet_okur

I disagree strongly on this advice. You can set up virtual private clouds where even the cloud provider doesn't have access. That and, if everything else is otherwise set up properly, aka Done Right, its no less secure that running locally on your gaming PC GPU. But h100 rented by the minute is MUCH much faster (6-10x faster) and MUCH more price efficient especially considering his small password list of 1MM. An H100 is currently about $7 an hour from AWS but available from many less premium cloud providers for cheaper.

SmoothGoing

You can't mine with a PC now. Don't install and run random outdated software. Read the FAQ.

DoReMi007

**Last Saturday my account on Nexo got hacked. This is what happened:** I have had a Nexo account since February 2025. On Saturday I logged in to my Nexo account at 12:42 (Brussels time) using my email, password, and 2FA. I copied my Solana address from my Trezor cold wallet to make a transfer of around 315 SOL. First, I transferred 1 SOL to check if I hadn’t made a mistake with the address. The 1 SOL arrived safely on Nexo. However, at that same time (12:42) I also received an email from Nexo, which I only noticed 45 minutes later, stating that an unknown IP address had logged into my account. In the meantime, I had already sent the rest of my Solana, as well as 0.408 BTC (luckily, that transfer takes longer to process). A little later I saw that the SOL had arrived on my Nexo account. But at around 13:11 the Solana disappeared from my account to an unknown address. This happened in three separate transactions: first 200 SOL, then 102 SOL, and finally 14 SOL, each two minutes apart. At first, I thought it was a Nexo error, so I closed my browser and tried to log in again, but I couldn’t. I contacted Nexo a while later, but my account was already blocked. They told me not to worry and that my funds were safe. For the Solana deposits and the three withdrawals I never received any emails from Nexo. For the BTC, however, I did receive an email around 14:00. It took nearly two days before my account was unblocked. On Monday morning I was finally able to log in again, after changing my password, only to see that all of my Solana was gone. The BTC was still there, which I then transferred to another wallet of mine (not Nexo). Why didn’t Nexo block my account immediately when they saw an unknown IP login? Before this incident, I had only ever logged in from my home IP address for 7 months straight. They had nearly 25 minutes to react and block the account. Why would I deposit Solana into my account only to withdraw it again a few minutes later in three phases? I also contacted the police, and an investigation has been opened, but I wonder if I will ever see my Solana again. Meanwhile, Nexo’s helpdesk keeps repeating that my funds are safe. **No, they were not!** My wife and I had planned to build a new kitchen, and I was about to get a loan with Nexo (to keep my Solana safe for a while, since I expected the price to rise in the coming months). But now all those plans and dreams are gone. Is it normal for something like this to happen? I have no idea how it could. I never reacted to any spam or phishing messages. My PC is clean (I scanned it twice in-depth with Bitdefender antivirus). I don’t visit phishing websites. I honestly have **no idea** how this happened. A case was opened with Nexo: **02161659**. They replied to me as they did everything possible to block my account. But way to late as I only saw the mail with the unknown IP adress when the harm was already don. NEXO should have blocked it automaticali.

Jayrovers86

Been I crypto since 2020, in it for the money and not the technology. I haven’t been hacked, drained once. My security is sound. I do not need to know how drainers work to safely store my seed phrases, nor do I need to know how drainers work to know not to interact with links/emails etc. So you’re wrong with your statement. I dont need to know how my PC works internally to be successful using it. So please Whst a stupid comment to make.

ra246

Selling gradually on the way up; taking into account previous all time highs and the Bitcoin dominance chart. I set my first sell point for $ETH as $4800 maybe 10 days ago, and then we hit it basically straight away, so I didn't sell and changed my first sell point to $5k. Maybe I should've stuck with it! (The planned first sell is only 5%, but I want to get into the habit of taking profit and actually seeing some tangible gains in my bank account) Plus, I'm building a new PC very soon for my triple screen sim racing rig so, gains would make my new Pc basically free

alluringBlaster

Ok time to expose my ignorance. I've never used self custody for any coin except BTC, which is kept in an electrum wallet on a PC that only connects to the network to deposit. All my other coins are kept on the exchange. I thought Trezor and Leger were simple? How are people getting hardware wallets hacked?

CaptainSugarWeasel

You're right about bitcoin maxis, I don't understand why blockchain as a world computer matters. Since 2017 I've never been able to grasp why anyone would want to hold ETH. The only alt I've taken any interest in is Monero, and I still don't own any because BTC is the better SOV. I like XMR in theory since it can't be mined on ASICs anyone can mine it on a normal PC with an integrated node/miner/wallet. It seems elegant/decentralised/private.

kynn84

Others already mentioned the feasibility of mining using GPU that probably get you next to nothing. Also what kind of game do you think is interesting enough that people willing to let you use their PC to mine Bitcoin? If you are thinking some simple games, don't bother, they are already gazillions of them, out there already. You'll probably need at least some AAA level kind of game. Are you willing to spend tens of millions to make this game with the potential that it will probably still flop?

Laperen

Yes, post and replies can be written in markdown after hitting "Switch to Markdown Editor" of the text box. Not sure if it exists in mobile or the old interface, but it's there and available as long as you use the site normie like on PC.

Forreta_Ambicioso

Hi good morning OP, this is really easy for you to check, just follow this steps please: - In your PC or smartphone, install the app Electrum; - Open the app and click on create wallet ---> give a name to your wallet ---> next, choice Standard Wallet ---> next, choice I already have the seed ---> next, text word by word your entire seed phrase (space between the words)**, click on FINISH ---> next, gonna appear a message asking if you want to extend your seed phrase, dont click in nothing, just press the NEXT ---> next, click on detect existing accounts ---> if you some account there, it is yours, just click on FINISH!* * Depending the volume of all transactions this gonna take one second or some minutes to load everything, in the final you will be able to see all your balance and do whatever you want. ** If for some reason when you are putting word by word of your seed phrase, in the final you can't press the finish button and he stills grey and not white, just go up in the word Electrum (the little box saying Electrum in the right side), and switch to the option BIP39. This will be fine! Please OP after it if you are rich now, sent 1 Bitcoin, just 1 it's ok for me... Ok i m joking calm down or maybe i m not!? Ok ok, if you feel and want to give me some donation its very appreciated: bc1qaav46tarnkcn7grqgvt5f8mss05ajk09ram0rj Thank you.

wuq

TBF to myself, I was paying myself back for mining rigs that I built. But it amounted to selling off 9.82 BTC across several different exchanges to pay myself back for the $3300 I spent on the rigs. Also, there is a ZERO percent chance I'd have been able to HODL tluntil today. I likely would have sold it all during the first run-up to 19k, and FOR SURE at some point in 2020 around the 40k mark if I'd been able to hold even that long. Also, I had about 1,000,000 DOGE in Criptsy when it went under. I had an opportunity to withdraw, but though to myself, "it's worth $20 bucks, not worth my time". But the bigger fumble was the PC I mined on back in the EARLY days. Formatted the hard drive long ago (since died and trashed), including the 72btc stored locally that was worth about $1 at the time. Did not back up my seed phrase, have no idea what the address or phrase could possibly be.

RaffTensei

Hello, I am planning to buy a PC for video editing in Brazil, but I cannot afford it at the moment. Could any generous soul help me with 0.997 BTC? I will sell the satoshis to buy the PC. My Bitcoin wallet: bc1qydc0fjlpmusfn5hj9sskl8mh2m3nacu5zxg2aq

RaffTensei

Hello, I am planning to buy a PC for video editing in Brazil, but I cannot afford it at the moment. Could any generous soul help me with 0.997 BTC? I will sell the satoshis to buy the PC. My Bitcoin wallet: bc1qydc0fjlpmusfn5hj9sskl8mh2m3nacu5zxg2aq

Romanizer

Absolutely. Towards the end of 2009 there were up to a hundred users worldwide mining and each block would give 50 BTC + fees. Which means your account would grow in 50 BTC increments. OP saying he watched the account grow night for night implies he mined more than one block in a time where 50 BTC were not really worth letting your PC run for it. A regular household CPU at that time would easily mine 1,000-2,000 BTC per day as the whole year was at difficulty 1. In addition, there were no bank accounts frozen because of Bitcoin because no one bought or sold it, exchanges came later. That whole story doesn't make sense.

RaffTensei

Hello, I am planning to buy a PC for video editing in Brazil, but I cannot afford it at the moment. Could any generous soul help me with 0.997 BTC? I will sell the satoshis to buy the PC. My Bitcoin wallet: bc1qydc0fjlpmusfn5hj9sskl8mh2m3nacu5zxg2aq

RaffTensei

Hello, I am planning to buy a PC for video editing in Brazil, but I cannot afford it at the moment. Could any generous soul help me with 0.997 BTC? I will sell the satoshis to buy the PC. My Bitcoin wallet: bc1qydc0fjlpmusfn5hj9sskl8mh2m3nacu5zxg2aq

IPconfigEARTH

You’re right about the block reward being 50 BTC at the time. 👍 But not everyone in 2009 was running full nodes and solving blocks. I wasn’t some pro-miner with rigs — I was just a 15-year-old kid messing around with a HUMBLE CPU wallet/miner that a random gamer told me about in a chatroom. I didn’t understand block rewards, halving, or how rare that window really was. I just saw decimals ticking up in my wallet and, after a short while, it added up to ~54 BTC. Then fear (and ignorance) got the better of me, and I deleted it. I didn’t share the exact mining details in my post for obvious reasons. Privacy. But the point isn’t whether it was 54, 540, or 5,000… it’s that fear made me erase something life-changing before I even understood what it was. That’s the ghost that’s followed me ever since — and what I explore in my book Bitcoins I Shift Deleted. I am sure we are in small numbers who have kept airgapped PC for 10 years!+ I still have bitaddress.org html bitcoin address generator and paper wallet generator. I may sound ancient 😅 - Not your keys, not your coins... And yes. I have to keep things simple for the masses. [kindle link](https://amzn.in/d/5GN8k2P )

Mountain-Street5060

To make you feel better I sold 1 btc at $6000 for a gaming PC set. Feel better my friend, you did great

ProduceExpensive470

Thank you. Using an offline PC as a hardware wallet is a great idea.

420osrs

You don't really need a hardware wallet, it just makes offline signing easier.  You can offline sign yourself.  1) generate seed phrase offline.  2) have a online computer for generating the spendbundle, using electrum, put in the public key and amount you want to send. This makes a unsigned.txt file 3) move the unsigned.txt to the offline PC with a USB stick or something. Sign it with electrum.  Offline. Do not connect it to the internet  4) move signed.txt back to the online PC and push the signed tx up to the network with electrumn. Can be your own node or a public one.  It's a pain in the ass but doable without a hardware wallet.  As far as amount, as much as you can. Each individual 0.001 is a utxo and during high fees combining these costs block space and therefore costs you money. You can combine utxos in a low fee environment (like now) for later use in a high fee environment  

Staking_Cry_724

DO NOT ANSWER TO ANY DM, THEY ALL JUST WANT TO SCAM YOU. DO NOT INSERT YOUR SEEDPHRASE ANYWHERE DON'T SHARE IT WITH ANYBODY, DON'T ALLOW ANYONE REMOTE ACCESS TO YOUR PC, CONTACT A PROFESSIONAL RECOVERY SERVICE LIKE [novasapien.com](http://novasapien.com) .

shart-attack1

Sounds like you would like scammerRevolts YouTube channel. I saw one where he found out the identity of the scammer he was talking to, found the scammer’s Facebook page and copied a picture of the scammer and his family and saved it as the background pic on his own desktop and then let the scammer remotely control his PC.

Malavero

Brooo, thanks for this. I'd never thought about that, and you don't need that much hardware. In my case, just buy a larger SSD since I have an old PC I've built that I don't use.

Sirius104x

As for me, I had very vaguely heard of Bitcoin in passing in the 2010-2021 years, but disregarded completely as most people. Didn't even know the trading opportunities it had. Only found out about it during the 2021 bull run so I also missed that one because I knew only by the end of it. Now I am waiting, have been waiting for 4 damn years, for the next run. Where is it? Why does it take so long. Altcoins having done horrrrrible this time. They had done way better by this timeframe both times in 2017 and 2021, comparatively. Are we f\*\*\*d for this cycle? Holding altcoins finally this time around, and so far nothing is happening. Also regretting badly that I had dismissed or not paid attention to what crypto was back then. I would be very rich by now. My brother knew about it but was an idiot at the same time. He did stuff like mine it with his friends using their video cards back then, and used 1 bitcoin to buy an Ipad for example, at that time. One friend had over a hundred bitcoin on a hard drive back near the very start of it that he mined. He kind of just "forgot about it" in the next few years as most might have (although if they had ANY brains they would have seen its price was starting to rise already) and then couldn't find where he put that old hard drive it was mined on. Thrown out by either him or a girlfriend at the time. He ran a PC repair business so he had a lot of hard drives floating around, a lot were junkers or in various states of barely working. So I can't blame him too hard. But neither him or my brother saw the reality of the future of bitcoins price. Which is what blows my mind. If I had paid attention to what it was back then, and had a few, I would have simply held onto them. This I know. Because that is how I've treated other things in my life. I hold on to old software, nostalgic outdated old games, etc. I am a digital hoarder in that way. I would have certainly held my BTC if I had it back then. And now I'd be quite rich. Ugh. My greatest regret is ignoring what it was for a decade.

Gullible-Willow-4434

Likewise when one of my friends bought in 2018 and I was mildly curious but didn't know how to buy, and mining was a "bonus perk" of my gaming PC that I never integrated.

Mars-Breeze

Many analysts claim BTC will go as low as **88K**, and some insist that it will ***skyrocket*** all the way to **145K** **I discussed the news on my recent video:** [**Bitcoin Will Drop Below $100K in 2025 !?**](https://youtu.be/3WE6PC_RegQ) Some articles I mentioned were published on ***The Economic Times.***

VisualPage782

By key phrase, do you mean seed phrase? 12/24 words? If you do, try downloading Sparrow Wallet on your PC and importing the seed into Sparrow. If successful, transfer your bitcoin to a new hardware wallet. Never use custodial wallets and only keep small amounts of btc on a software wallet for daily spending. I use BlueWallet on my iPhone.

WTBlasergunKidrobot

Excuse me i dont understand. 2nd picture is TradingView App on my phone. And its a 1Minute candle chart. Candle from 14:58 (to 14:59) is green BUT same candle on my PC/ Binance web/ shows a red candle. I am so confused…

Arbiter_89

I respect that it's open-source, but I have to contest that simply being in offline mode means you can't take a copy of the key. It would be really easy to provide the site a list of pre-generated wallets and have it appear to generate the wallet while offline, but really it's just giving the user a wallet you already made while it was online, and that would give you access, even if the user never connected the PC to the internet again. Whether your app does that could be detected by reviewing the source code, but I just wanted to say there's definitely ways you could obtain a key generated while in offline mode.

alineali

My strategy - as I am an IT professional - to have encrypted backups stored in different clouds and basically everywhere I could store small file. Basically I did it like this: - boot up PC from Debian linux USB pen drive - put seed into a file along with some garbage text - encrypt it (I used GPG) and obfuscate a bit so that trivial file analysis tools cannot detect file format - reboot to normal system After that I put it whenever I could under different names - into clouds, my backups etc. And yes, I think this is secure enough - unless at the time of doing this there was targeted attack already going against me which included physical tampering with my equipment, but then I would be screwed anyway. While theoretically there could be things like compromised BIOS etc, chance is absolutely negligible. And, of course, I follow basic digital hygiene (not only online but, for example, I do not have USB devices or cables with unclear origin).

MagixTouch

Solo could be a guy in his basement with a PC. Or it could be a solo miner the size of an Amazon mega warehouse. But one will more than likely get the block over the other.

Aussiehash

You need a computer to generate the G-Code and another computer (usually a windows PC running Vectric) to run the CNC machine. The whole purpose of hammering letters is that it remains Analogue, that your mnemonic seed never, ever exists in digital form outside of your hardware wallet.

TheCryptoloyalist

My iPhone does everything better than my PC !it is never down since it is SAS

rupsdb

Install Tails OS on an USB drive, boot from there, enable admin and persistence, install sparrow-waller, generate new wallet, and just export the public Descriptors With that you can open a view only account on your PC. With the seed phrase or the private key, you can use this account to view and receive. You cannot transact. So even if there's malware on your PC, your btc is safe

Substantial_Bear5153

Here is an extra paranoid analysis. Points of failure: your phone might be compromised. Also, which wallet app? That's important. It might also be compromised to produce weak seeds. See what happened with Trust wallet. I would recommend [https://iancoleman.io/bip39/](https://iancoleman.io/bip39/) (the first result on Google for "generate bip39"). Press save as, and store the .html file. Disconnect the PC from the internet. Boot a live Ubuntu USB stick (live, without installing). Open the saved web page. Generate and write down the phrase. Shut down Ubuntu live. Why this is better: \- Ian Coleman's seed generation implementation is a trusted one. \- By booting another live OS (Ubuntu), we minimize the risk that your Windows installation is compromised. \- By keeping the PC offline while Ubuntu live is booted, we airgap it during the key generation. \- When Ubuntu live is shut down, it leaves no traces on your PC. It's like your variant deleting the wallet app of your phone, but way more thorough. Possible attack vectors: practically none. Perhaps if somehow the BIOS/EFI firmware of your PC was compromised, but that would be a state-actor level of sophistication.

poppinollyoxenfree

No you were supposed to say “I bought a gaming PC with my car”

Sternritter_V

Way back in highschool(2012ish), I impulsively bought some BTC. Only 3 or 4 if memory serves. That PC is LONG dead and recycled, and I really don’t have any recourse to get the info back. Stuff like this is what makes me regret being an idiot lol. Congrats, and may you have many happy years on your farm.

GoBeWithYourFamily

You could either say “I bought a gaming PC for $3500.” Or you could say “I sold my car and bought a gaming PC.” Both statements are correct.

poppinollyoxenfree

What if you were to sell a car for say $3500 and then use the money to buy a high-end gaming PC?

Saxonion

BlueWallet is excellent as a watch only wallet to live on your mobile device (as opposed to something like Sparrow on a PC). I haven't used it as anything other than watch only, but it does exactly what's needed for a watch only wallet (including generating receive addresses etc.)

noCoolNameLeft42

It all comes down to the risk you're ready to take. How much are you ready to lose ? For me letting BTC on exchange or online terminal would be risky but when you're in the process of learning how to use an exchange, move BTC, it could do the trick. Just don't go all in on BTC and then let everything on exchange or PC or phone. Some people have lost everything this way.

longonbtc

Bisq is the most difficult to use. You literally have to run the software on your PC. But it's decentralized. RoboSats is a nice option but it's not the easiest to use. LocalCoinSwap, Peach Bitcoin, and Vexl are the easiest. LocalCoinSwap has more traders and liquidity than Peach Bitcoin and Vexl. If you're just looking for the easiest, then check out LocalCoinSwap first and see if any of the current offers look appealing to you.

Nementon

The security won't depend on the software wallet it will depend on the security of your PC, so basically it will depend on your behaviour.

riscten

A hardware wallet is really just a convenience device for people who spend frequently. For most hodlers who just stack without ever spending, all they need is to generate a wallet on an airgapped PC *once*, then import that wallet as watch-only on their phone so that they can receive funds and check balance easily.

wasgivenautismbyvax

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markaction

Something like Solana might have quicker block times, but it is not decentralized at all. Their validators run in a server-farm that can be shut-down. And if you are a "home-staker", well Solana isn't for you. In contrast, with Ethereum you can be a Validator with a home PC. And the Validators are geographically spread out as well, so no single nation-state can shut down the network. What is more important to you, and why are you in this space in first place if you don't care about decentralization?

Sector__7

Regarding image quality, what do you expect from a windows 95 PC and a potato camera?