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sudo_rm-rf_

Phishing sites look very real and are often at the top of sponsored results from Google. If you downloaded from the real website, (electrum.org) it could be you have other malware from something else on your PC, or you have leaked your backup seed online in some way

zenecence

Are you using this electrum wallet on a PC with internet connection? And if so, have you typed your seed phrase into this device? Your funds were stolen. Whatever device you are using wipe it and take it as a learning experience. In the future, only transfer your funds to a cold wallet that you purchased directly from the manufacturer, and you are the only person who has seen the seed phrase.

arthurwolf

> Exactly. These 55 year olds think his iphone is hacked lol They didn't give any indication this was an iphone... It was a reasonable supposition to think this was on a Windows PC, where this kind of thing is in fact pretty common. It's much less likely on an iPhone indeed, for a bunch of reasons. But mocking people for information they were not provided isn't super nice. Guess it made you feel all smart and big though.

low_contrast_black

Trezor 5 is a fine option. When you set up your wallet, you can then download TrezorSuite to interact with it via your PC (don’t worry, the secure element is air gapped). From TrezoeSuite you can produce something called an XPub (or extended public key). As the “public” part of that might infer, this piece is safe to be out in the world. When you export your XPub, it gives you a QR code. You can then use a soft wallet like BlueWallet on your phone to import that XPub. This creates what we call a watch-only wallet. It actually does a bit more than that, because an XPub can generate new receive addresses for you too. What it can’t do is sign outgoing transactions. So if what you want is inflow to your cold wallet with the ability to monitor it, but rarely need to sign transactions, a watch-only wallet works really well. Also, as this is your first time setting up a wallet, once you get your seed phrase recorded, send a small transaction (maybe 0.0005). Once the transaction shows as verified in your wallet, do a factory reset and restore the wallet using your recorded seed phrase. This does two things: 1) it proves that you have, indeed captured your seed phrase correctly, and 2) takes you through a wallet restore and builds a bit of confidence in the tech for you.

SmoothGoing

[Trezor Safe 5](https://trezor.io/trezor-safe-5) is very nice to use @ $170. Touch screen, swiping, very smooth. Works with PC wallets and Android wallets. [Coldcard MK4](https://coldcard.com/mk4) @ $168 is great if you just want to park stuff there and pull it out on rare occasion. It's usable of course, but the dot matrix looking menus and clicky buttons offer somewhat clunkier usability. It would take me longer to do a function with MK4 VS Safe 5. The budget "set it and forget it" option I would also recommend (and own) is [Trezor Safe 3](https://trezor.io/trezor-safe-3) @ $80. All of these options obviously come with top notch safety, secure elements, whole nine yards, not just "looking pretty."

hshnslsh

They didn't make much money selling to crypto miners. They made shitload of money selling to AI data centres while letting the home PC market consumers fight amongst each other so they wouldn't notice they are no longer important to NVIDIA

LordIommi68

For a smart phone? I never tried WoS but I briefly used Green wallet and wasn't that impressed. I'm currently using Blue Wallet but mainly for the QR functionality. I normally use Electrum on my phone , but my hardware wallet can't read it's QRs. I only use them as watch only wallet. On a PC I like Sparrow and Electrum, also as watch only.

aionPhriend

Buy bitcoin mine monero on an old PC wired to free electric.

OrionsChainsaw

Ok, I got bored and wrote a python script for you that will unlock your backup file. Here's how to do it. * 1. Download and install python [https://www.python.org/downloads/](https://www.python.org/downloads/) * 2. Once installed, open up a command prompt and type "pip install pycryptodome" (without the quotations). * 3. Make a new folder. In that folder put your backup file. * 4. In the same folder, make a new file called "decrypter.py". * 5. Open [decrypter.py](http://decrypter.py) in notepad and paste the following code: &#8203; from Crypto.Cipher import AES from Crypto.Hash import MD5 import base64 def openssl_key_iv_derivation(password, salt, key_len, iv_len): d = d_i = b'' while len(d) < key_len + iv_len: d_i = MD5.new(d_i + password + salt).digest() d += d_i return d[:key_len], d[key_len:key_len+iv_len] def decrypt_openssl(enc_file_path, dec_file_path, password): with open(enc_file_path, 'rb') as f: enc_data = f.read() enc_data = base64.b64decode(enc_data) if enc_data[:8] != b"Salted__": raise ValueError("Missing OpenSSL salt header") salt = enc_data[8:16] ciphertext = enc_data[16:] key, iv = openssl_key_iv_derivation(password.encode(), salt, 32, 16) cipher = AES.new(key, AES.MODE_CBC, iv) decrypted = cipher.decrypt(ciphertext) padding_length = decrypted[-1] decrypted = decrypted[:-padding_length] with open(dec_file_path, 'wb') as f: f.write(decrypted) # Variables needed: decrypt_openssl('NAMEOFYOURFILE', 'decryptedfile.txt', 'blabla') Replaced NAMEOFYOURFILE with the actual name of your file, and MYPASSWORD with your actual password. Then save the file. * 6. Open up CMD and navigate to your folder. Type "py decrypter.py". * 7. A new file should appear in your folder called decryptedfile.txt. If you open it you'll notice it is mostly gibberish, but if your password is correct a twelve word seed phrase should appear at the top of the file. If it's not there and all you see if random characters, you got your password wrong. * 8. Open Electrum. Choose File > New/Restore > Standard Wallet > I already have a seed. * 9. Paste your seed, then click options and choose "BIP39 seed". Click next. * 10. If your addresses start with bc1q.... then choose native segwit and type " m/1' " (note the ') in the derivation path. 11. If your addresses are older (possible from 2014), choose legacy and type " m/0' " (again not the ') in the derivation path. This will restore all your wallet address. **Once done, send your coins to a new wallet because you now have an unencrypted seed phrase on your PC.**

OrionsChainsaw

Ok, I got bored and wrote a python script for you that will unlock your backup file. Here's how to do it. 1. Download and install python [https://www.python.org/downloads/](https://www.python.org/downloads/) 2. Once installed, open up a command prompt and type "pip install pycryptodome" (without the quotations). 3. Make a new folder. In that folder put your backup file. 4. In the same folder, make a new file called "decrypter.py". 5. Open [decrypter.py](http://decrypter.py) in notepad and paste the following code: `from Crypto.Cipher import AES` `from Crypto.Hash import MD5` `import base64` `def openssl_key_iv_derivation(password, salt, key_len, iv_len):` `d = d_i = b''` `while len(d) < key_len + iv_len:` `d_i = MD5.new(d_i + password + salt).digest()` `d += d_i` `return d[:key_len], d[key_len:key_len+iv_len]` `def decrypt_openssl(enc_file_path, dec_file_path, password):` `with open(enc_file_path, 'rb') as f:` `enc_data = f.read()` `enc_data = base64.b64decode(enc_data)` `if enc_data[:8] != b"Salted__":` `raise ValueError("Missing OpenSSL salt header")` `salt = enc_data[8:16]` `ciphertext = enc_data[16:]` `key, iv = openssl_key_iv_derivation(password.encode(), salt, 32, 16)` `cipher = AES.new(key, AES.MODE_CBC, iv)` `decrypted = cipher.decrypt(ciphertext)` `# Remove PKCS#7 padding` `padding_length = decrypted[-1]` `decrypted = decrypted[:-padding_length]` `with open(dec_file_path, 'wb') as f:` `f.write(decrypted)` `# Variables needed:` `decrypt_openssl('NAMEOFYOURFILE', 'decryptedfile.txt', 'MYPASSWORD')` Replaced NAMEOFYOURFILE with the actual name of your file, and MYPASSWORD with your actual password. Then save the file. 6. Open up CMD and navigate to your folder. Type "py decrypter.py". 7. A new file should appear in your folder called decryptedfile.txt. If you open it you'll notice it is mostly gibberish, but if your password is correct a twelve word seed phrase should appear at the top of the file. If it's not there, you got your password wrong. 8. Open Electrum. Choose File > New/Restore > Standard Wallet > I already have a seed. 9. Paste your seed, then click options and choose "BIP39 seed". Click next. 10. If your addresses start with bc1q.... then choose native segwit and type " m/1' " (note the ') in the derivation path. 11. If your addresses are older (possible from 2014), choose legacy and type " m/0' " (again not the ') in the derivation path. This will restore all your wallet address. Once done, send your coins to a new wallet because you now have an unencrypted seed phrase on your PC.

greglewis2214

"All your base belong to me" was a cheat code for a PC game called Empire Earth.

HedgehogGlad9505

You can try your luck with an android emulator on PC. Create a new wallet on your phone first, and if you can open the old one, immediately transfer everything to the new one.

sub_RedditTor

I had a trojab n my PC which has hijacked my clipboard and each and it was monitoring for crypto wallet address beeig copy pasted .. I lost only $500 but that was a very good lesson .

Potential_Lab4658

It's not just dying. i know a lot of people who bought BTC, or some other crypto in the early years, but eventually just got rid of the PC it was on because that toy money they bought was just for fun and not really worth anything. This is a reminder I need to write up instructions for my wife in case I pass away unexpectedly. The instructions are to bury me with my crypto wallet.

SmoothGoing

Don't get scammed. [Trezor Safe 5](https://trezor.io/trezor-safe-5) is very nice to use @ $170. Touch screen, swiping, very smooth. Works with PC wallets and Android wallets. [Coldcard MK4](https://coldcard.com/mk4) @ $168 is great if you just want to park stuff there and pull it out on rare occasion. It's usable of course, but the dot matrix looking menus and clicky buttons offer somewhat clunkier usability. It would take me longer to do a function with MK4 VS Safe 5. The budget "set it and forget it" option I would also recommend (and own) is [Trezor Safe 3](https://trezor.io/trezor-safe-3) @ $80. All of these options obviously come with top notch safety, secure elements, whole nine yards, not just "looking pretty." I own several others, older types, but don't recommend them.

Most-Bit-2212

Couldn't you just export both Ledger and CC wallets to the same sparrow on the same PC and go from there?

Halo22B

Pretty sure LedgerLive will force you to update to the latest version in order to be able to send "from your ledger to your new CC" Before you get to sending did you setup your new CC correctly? CoinKite has a number of excellent guides and BTC Sessions is an excellent YouTube resource for technical "how tos" As to sending from one wallet to another, LedgerLive should be fine. Especially since you are basically using it once and that wallet will be drained and shouldn't be used anymore (destroy the old Nano) If you are concerned, I would get a spare laptop/PC. Install the latest version of Sparrow Wallet. Import your Ledger wallet while maintaining the Nano as a signing device (Sparrow has a guide).....now send from your Ledger to your ColdCard. Using 2PCs (2 separate instances of Sparrow, 1 with Ledger, 1 with ColdCard) is not required but is easier to understand and more importantly not screw up. Your monkey brain is thinking.....I'm sending from PC A to PC B....I must sign on PC A with my Ledger....I must not connect my ColdCard to PC B.....good Luck

DavidMarne

Could you please further elucidate? I, too, have lost my funds, however this I made 6 figures on there, and they refuse to give it back for the very same reason. Obviously, I didn't do anything nefarious - in fact, I'm so controlling that I actually literally OBS recorded every single trading session (and using the PC in between), yet they still refuse. Could you explain if you only reported them -- or did you actually let them know you reported them, too? And no, I'm not at all rich - by sheer luck a coin I was profiting on suddenly exploded 50x in value, which I'm sure is why they refuse to pay it out as a B-booking trading company that likely purchases the funds only when the customer withdraws. Frankly, it's such a big sum of money that I never really felt like I had any hope of convincing them when they could just steal it instead - but reading that you did actually have a good outcome, gives me a glimmer of hope suddenly. Cheers, thanks in advance and I'm glad you've got made whole :)

Crypto-Guide

You can store seeds, wallet descriptors, etc, and use it with SeedSigner. (Or an offline phone/PC) It's basically like a USB stick but a lot more durable and also has hardware protection like a PIN that wipes after a set number of attempts, so you aren't fully dependent on the strength of the encryption key.

3337jess

Hey everyone make sure you download this guys software on your personal PC and tell it how much bitcoin you own. Much easier than google!

Glass_Ground5214

well you should better run your own trading (sniper) bot on your PC, where you're in control of everything! See mine at r/cryptobots_dev

DemunHunterMHN

i had no clue either back in the early days. I remember sharing electricity in a student dorm with 13 other people. I could have divided the energy cost by a factor 13. But i woudn't mine on my own PC because "what if they hack my wow account". Not so fun fact: they did hack my wow account after i didn't care about it for certain months anyway.

Mountain-Data-5758

SOL staking and ETH staking are not the same thing. Staked sol does nothing for the security of the chain, while ETH does. All SOL is staked, while only around 15% of ETH is staked. Ppl just read headlines withouth having any knowledge how things work. This is same as saying SOL is faster than ETH, while the whole ETH chain is the size of 4 TB and SOL is 300TB, meaning to run a ETH node you need a 500$ PC and for SOL you need a 30k $ supercomputer, which will cost you another 10k in electricity bills monthly.

Mirved

its really strange how you seem to know quite a bit about how it all works but apparently dont understand what that means. Are you just googling the info? Im going to explain this once in detail. **1 vs 1000 ETH power over the network:** First of all we where discussing how 1 ETH has no more power over the network then 1000 ETH. Since it takes 61million ETH to do a 51% attack this isnt even close and absurd to even mention. You have yet to explain when talking about 1 ETH vs 1000 ETH (while there is 120 million ETH in circulation) how tbe one has any more power over the network, what that power is and how one can use that "power". Not strange that you keep avoiding that since there is no extra power. **Decentralisation:** there are 2 parts here you dont seem to get. First you keep avoiding the fact that it takes a little as 0.01 ETH (157 dollars) to take part in staking/validating. So that makes it very easy for people to take part and makes it even cheaper then taking part in bitcoin mining. Since that isnt profitable anymore on a home computer and will cost you way more then 157 dollar to take part and not make a loss. Then there is your fallacy that you dont seem to understand inflation and probability. Lets say person A has 1 ETH staked and person B has 100 ETH. The total ETH is 1000. That means person A owns 0,1% of the total supply and person B owns 10% of the total supply. They both stake. After a year with the average staking reward being 3%. Person A has 1,03 ETH and person B has 103 ETH. Total supply of ETH is 1030 ETH. Person A still has 0,1% of the total person B still has 10%. He did not get anymore power he still has exactly the same in comparison to person A. He has gained nothing extra. Its strange you even bring this last part up because its exactly the same with bitcoin. A bitcoin miner owning more miners gets more rewards. \>If people Bitcoin mining caused everyone who mined to be gifted another ASIC every time they mined a block and therefore accrued more mining power you don't think this would be a problem? What do you think the miners do with the cash they make from mining bitcoin? Instead of being paid an ASIC directly. They convert Bitcoin to cash and buy 1 extra. Its exactly the same with 1 step extra. Also if its not fair that people who have more ETH get more ETH then how is that different from the single PC miners versus the BTC mining farm with 1000's of ASICS gaining more BTC? \>Someone with 10x the amount of ETH as someone else has 10x the influence over the network compared to everyone else. This isn't controversial or even debatable. Vitali Buterin himself could tell you this. If this was so simple then why cant you explain what that influence entails?

admin_default

That high throughput comes at a **very** high cost. Solana’s blockchain is current over **300TB** in size and growing at 1TB every 1-2 weeks. A PC capable of handling that data costs on the order of $40-80K in hardware and can rack up bills of $20-30K per months. Because of that only about 10 full archive nodes exist - almost all run by insiders and shell corps. That’ll never be decentralized.

jlittle984

Don’t mess with anything other than BTC. Start buying small amounts as soon as possible on exchange is fine for smaller amounts. DCA-automate repeated buys if possible-every 2 weeks or once a month make a buy at whatever amount you can afford. When you get your sat stack to 1K-invest in a hardware wallet and move your stack there, but continue to buy on exchange. Transfer from exchange to HW wallet periodically. Never back up your recovery phrase digitally (phone/laptop/PC/digital image), only write your recovery phrase on paper, keep it with or separate from wallet but do not lose it. Plan on not selling for 10 years or more-never share how much BTC you have with anyone or tell them where or how you store it. Use small test transactions when moving BTC to ensure everything transfers properly before moving larger amounts. If you make an error in transferring your BTC, it isn’t reversible.

MedivalBlacksmith

I was so lucky. I did order a new PC for $3k right after the spike by accident! 🤩

bananabastard

Bigger block size means more centralization. Nodes control the network, if the blocksize makes running a node too much for a regular laptop/PC, you put control of the network into fewer, richer hands. Small block size = more nodes = decentralization.

Maticus

I really want a new gaming PC, but it's going to cost between 2 to 3 million sats. The opportunity costs are too damn high. I will wait until it costs 200k to 300k sats.

riscten

A bitcoin node is ultimately a PC that's connected to the Internet. You don't want to generate your keys on a node or mining device, they're not made for that purpose. They should only access your public keys.

Newbie123plzhelp

>Ah so now you change the goalposts to not your pc, but to servers and use of blockchains. No, the PC reference was an exaggerated contrast traditional computing systems to blockchains. >Noone has power. Thats why its decentralised dipshit. Now I see why you invest in altcoins and not Bitcoin. You seem to have no understanding of how decentralisation works. Everyone has power proportional to their ETH stake. You don't just make a blockchain and go, bang, decentralisation. But there is only so much I can explain in a Reddit comment. I recommend you do some research yourself.

Newbie123plzhelp

>your pc has a global payment network running on it? Wow great. Not my PC but yes PayPal and Venmo run on servers at AWS. They don't need a blockchain. 2. Again you don't understand how validation works at all. If the. People staking don't have power then please tell me who does.

doyzer9

Could be remote access malware, or other such viruses. Install a good internet security option like Norton 360 and scan your PC before you do anything else. Good luck.

capitaldoe

Not in Bitcoin. But Ethereum was full of people in developing countries mining with 1 or 2 GPUs. Anyone with any gaming PC could participate and receive rewards. I mined Ethereum for 5 years with 12 gpus. It was full of people mining, many communities, and many people involved with Ethereum through GPU mining. You're missing my point, about how many people were participating in the network. It was full of mining pools, and I don't know anyone mining now being involved in staking.

starkistuna

We got used to Ether and Litecoin had some parity way back in 2015, by 2020 a lot of the newer staking coins , overtook their shine. Smart Contracts was all the rage then. I mined for a month and held 14 of them over the years. Paid for all my PC upgrades for a decade.

DankShibe

PoS Eth was the reason home PC GPU mining was a thing. Not you can't make any good gains with your home PC

DeathHopper

Basically, yeah. Many enthusiasts were mining. You could set up your gaming PC to mine a bit of eth on the side and make a few bucks a day. It was neat and drew a lot of people to eth. Going pos disenfranchised all of those enthusiasts, and they turned their focus towards big investors. But investors are more interested in BTC. And now that eth is showing to be a not so great investment, even more so. There's probably also the factor of investors being drawn in due to all of the enthusiasts during pow. But going green was really popular at the time, so alas we ended up where we are. So I think it's a combination of factors. I do believe it would be doing much better under pow.

PulIthEld

WTF, coinbase will not load for me. I've cleared cookies, cache, logged out, logged back in, restarted PC, it just always says "We're having connection issues". The status page shows everything up. Nobody else is having this problem.

VinnyBoyGG

Just checked your profile history: 1. Sell your Dirt Bike that you bought a year ago, 2 Sell your airsoft stuff, 3. Sell your PC setup 4. Sell your BTC mining hardware, 5 Buy BTC with that money and HODL!!!! Come on OP you can do it!

Newbie123plzhelp

>A system not being decentralised doesnt mean it cant be used anyways Yeah as I said I'll just use my PC at home if that's the case >Someone with 1000 ETH has no more power then someone with 0.01 ETH. Pos is not voting power. That's just wrong, not much else for me to say. I don't think you know how POS works. Block validation power is exactly proportional to stake size. >Most of bitcoin mining is centralised over 3 groups. You can make misleading claims, however mining groups are not the miners themselves. If Bitcoin's decentralisation is proven every day that's it's not hacked and it's protocol isn't manipulated.

Newbie123plzhelp

Decentralisation. The only "use case" etherium ever had in the first place. Everything that Etherium does minus decentralisation can be done on my PC at home. POS means people who have more tokens accumulate more power in the system and less decentralisation. The insiders that joined at the premine now have undue influence over the token.

SwimSea7631

What ever is the most cost effective. It will be a dedicated mining rig. Not a home PC

Ramast

The browser extension knows your seed pharse otherwise you couldn't use it for trading. A virus on your PC could read data from your browser extension (if not encrypted). Even if it was encrypted there is ways around this to steal your seedphrase. As other mentioned, get a hardware wallet

low_contrast_black

Do you want to mine, run a node, or both? You’re starting with Bitcoin Core either way. Honestly, if it were me, I’d toward getting the best rPi setup I could manage, and dedicate that to the purpose. Barring that, I’d pick either your PC or your laptop as a Windows machine, and recreate the other as a Linux box, and run your node off of that.

CreativeEnergy3900

IBM hires a few hundred PhD scientists each year and claims to "lead" in everything from computing to making soup. Truth is? They have not led in anything since before the invention of the PC. Same for the EU. Yes, they can gather the worlds experts together, form dozens of committees, write lots of paper documents, but at the end of the day it always turns out like their 7 Layer Model of OSI; never built and never used.

MonTigres

Bless your heart. Hope you get it back. I know the feeling. I'd done a similar (not smart) thing by leaving my passphrase in a digital file instead of a hard copy. Then when I transferred to a new PC, that was one of the damned files that didn't make it. Like you, am a HODLer, so wasn't concerned until I realized it was missing. Luckily, I'd kept the old PC, plugged it in, dug around, and hallaluyah! Found that pesky phrase. All good now and am extra careful. Wishing you the best!

ParallelSmoke

I did fail to mention that the 0.06 BTC that I currently have in cold storage is from the majority of my fiat savings that I recently bought, both by chunks and DCA since January. Full conviction and no plans to ever sell. I bought a mini PC to run a node. I'm in. I have this 8k left as a cushion that I thought that I would be happy with having, but Im now just like ...."maybe I should just throw the rest/most of it in". That's where I'm at. Thanks for the time.

EndTheFed90210

It would be difficult to maintain backups regardless of node choice, because the blockchain is almost 750GB. Add electrum and the OS, and it's getting close to a terabyte for one full backup. Who would need to back this up anyways? I can plug the SSD into another PC and it boots up just fine. So I don't need to worry about PC hardware failures. If you're worried about disk failure, then use imaging software to clone it to another SSD. It's not that hard. I won't do that because it's a waste of time. SSD failures are infrequent. It's less time and money investment rebuilding a node than constantly maintaining backups for it.

EndTheFed90210

I recommend buying your own rig. Much cheaper. I went on eBay and bought an HP Elitedesk 800 G3 Mini with an i5 6th gen quad core 3.2Ghz. Came with 8GB ram and no disk or power supply for $55. I added 8GB of RAM ($12), bought a power supply ($13), new cooling fan ($13), and used a 2TB sata ssd I already had. It runs fantastic. I do Bitcoin Node, Electrs, mempool, and Pi-Hole for DNS level add filtering. I generated my own SSL cert, opened some port forwards, use nginx reverse proxy and UFW firewall, and got a free DNS name from changeip and attached it to my ISP router. I'm able to connect apps like BlueWallet on iPhone and Sparrow Wallet on Windows PC to my own node for broadcasting transactions, and it's all secured with SSL certs and TLS 1.2/1.3. It's a bit complicated to setup, but RaspiBlitz has good guides on how to set this part up. Since Umbrel runs in a docker container, anytime I get an update, it wipes out the reverse proxy, firewall, and ssl cert. But it only takes me 10 minutes to set it up again after an update. Since I generate my own SSL certs, I consider this a safe method, because I generate a new cert key each time Umbrel is updated. If what I just typed has your head spinning, you may want to buy the premade node from Umbrel. I'm able to do this method because I'm an IT and network admin. Most people would struggle to do this on their own, and reinstalling all proxies, firewalls, and certs after an update may be a headache you don't want to deal with.

asif_hop

The PC got pregnant.

SmoothGoing

Bitcoin core runs on most anything, including a PC you likely already have. You'll get bored with the node stuff eventually since it doesn't do anything fun unless you work with it. Then you can just delete it. Don't waste the money.

ExcitableSarcasm

Huh? I've been using a SG Barra since my first PC I built in 2017. Honestly had no idea this was the going impression of it lol. Still have it hooked up to my new PC as a secondary drive

FAYMKONZ

Yeah, you need the full Trezor Suite app to set up a new wallet which is available on PC, but after that you can use the Trezor Suite Lite app on android to send and receive.

inadyttap

Alright,l will give lt a try on PC

Aerocryptic

I never used the mobile version 🤷‍♂️ But on a PC it’s way easier and secure to use. You don’t have to set up anything : networks, tokens. You have a view on what’s the result of what you’re signing

SeannieG123

Amazing. Thanks ✅️. 1 last thing (hopefully a way off) if I was to die. My son/daughter could theoretically get my trezor (they know where it's stored) sign in to my PC and remove my btc to their wallets without the need for my metal keep ?

FAYMKONZ

It costs like 80 bucks. Its not bluetooth, you use a cable. You need a PC to set it up, but after that you can use your phone to send and receive.

Sin-City-Sinner

Smart thinking!!! And ty cause I’m only a few months into this and I have enough to be a target, I need to take my sats off the platform I buy from. What do these cost?(if you know) Are they Bluetooth are do you need a PC to transfer your btc? Thx again!!

VirtualFuture

Thank you :D Literally streaming off of my PC right now, almost accidentally turned it off earlier today by vacuuming.

SmoothGoing

[Trezor Safe 5](https://trezor.io/trezor-safe-5) is very nice to use @ $170. Touch screen, swiping, very smooth. Works with PC wallets and Android wallets. [Coldcard MK4](https://coldcard.com/mk4) @ $168 is great if you just want to park stuff there and pull it out on rare occasion. It's usable of course, but the dot matrix looking menus and clicky buttons offer somewhat clunkier usability. It would take me longer to do a function with MK4 VS Safe 5. The budget "set it and forget it" option I would also recommend (and own) is [Trezor Safe 3](https://trezor.io/trezor-safe-3) @ $80. All of these options obviously come with top notch safety, secure elements, whole nine yards, not just "looking pretty." I own several others, older types, but don't recommend them.

Glass_Ground5214

well... I think you should start using sniper bots on your own PC... see mine at [r/cryptobots\_dev](https://www.reddit.com/r/cryptobots_dev/)

thespacecowboyy

Btw can buying with bitcoin still be considered selling? If I decide to buy a $2k dollar PC online for example?

SupremeLuis_

Yes that is a totally normal disclaimer, it just wants you to be sure that you're sending bitcoin across that right network. For example, on Coinbase it lets you choose between the following networks to receive and or send bitcoin * Bitcoin (Default) * Lighting * Base * Solana * etc. Stick with the first one (once you delve deeper you can start exploring the lightning network and the others) Next, if your sending bitcoin from a wallet or exchange, check to see that your on the bitcoin network (This is usually the case, but just verify, I don't want you losing your funds). Some wallets like sparrow wallet (For PC or Mac) only support the Bitcoin (default) network. While other wallets like Phoenix wallet support lightning network. When it comes to exchanges practically all of them support Bitcoin (Default) network (PS. I'm adding default in front of bitcoin to help my train of thought) And when you send crypto to your address make sure your sending this [https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/](https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/) and not this [https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-cash/](https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-cash/) Keep in mind that Coinbase lets you buy both of these cryptocurrencies! if you have any question I will try to the best of my knowledge to answer them. u/CaramelFun3925

machine_74

No, I can do that. I do all my banking and asset tracking on my PC, so I just prefer desktop. I'll check them out.

machine_74

Strike is purely app based, correct (no PC software available)

flavourantvagrant

There are innovative solutions. Like the Tangem card. It’s a cold storage key that connects with your phone. Just like how a Ledger connects with a PC. Anyway the seed phrase is never exposed to anyone even the owner. So you have to look after the cards at all costs. The point is, interesting things have been happening. There’s a lot to do though.

f00d4tehg0dz

Hey OP I'm sorry you're going t hrough this. I had a similar situation not too long ago. Originally I thought my LastPass account had been breached from that vault hack awhile back. But it appears they were able to remote into my PC somehow unbeknownst to me and malware/antivirus software, with Ledger software installed and took all my crypto. They used my Google account and linked phone to get around SMS text and email verification and buy everything they could and drain my accounts. The worst part is all the charges they put on my cards most couldn't be reversed because the purchases came from my computer. Along with sending me death threats and photos of my home. Just remember you have your health and material things can come and go in an instant. You'll learn from it and move on. Good luck to you.

GiveMeYourSmile

An old PC can fail. The article describes the problems of storing a secret phrase on one physical instance tied to one location

mreJ

Hate to sound picky, but downloading a .zip with a known malware file included seems pretty ridiculous. I might boot up my throwaway PC and try it there. I'll see if there is an alternative option to the above link as well.

BstardSun

I was thinking a # SER8 Mini PC, AMD Ryzen 7 8745HS(4nm, 8C/16T) up to 4.9GHz, Mini Computer 24GB DDR5 RAM 8TB M.2 NVME & # WiFi6/BT5.2/2.5Gbps NORMAL Ryzen with upgraded storage, do you think this would be straight for3 to 4 years? Thank you.

NugKnights

I never sold my ETH but I stopped investing the day they moved from proof of work to proof of stake. Anyone being able to mine it on their PC for reasonable returns was such a good entry point into crypto for many young adults, and they just striped it away.

RandoDude124

Always good to cash out. Built a custom PC and a brand new desk back in November

RandoDude124

I sold some Nvidia and some of my Ethereum. Got a new Table and a PC. In hindsight… #Shoulda sold it all

ReflectionCrypto

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robi_biggbosss

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robi_biggbosss

[MoonShot Alert] MoonPrime Games | $LUNAR — First Web3 Gaming Project with Social AI NPCs Most crypto games = basic mechanics + bad graphics. MoonPrime Games? They’re dropping actual AAA-quality PC games — with AI-powered NPCs that can talk, think, and interact with YOU and with each other. Think Skyrim, but smarter... and on-chain. What makes $LUNAR a hidden gem? No VC money – 100% self-funded during the bear (these guys GRINDED) Fair Launch – No presale, no insider pump and dump Deflationary – Already burned 9.4% of supply 2 PC Games LIVE – Not promises, real playable stuff In-Game AI Agents – NPCs actually hold conversations, evolve behavior AI Browser App + Web3 Gaming Magazine Still under the radar – but not for long Coming in 2025: Mobile + browser games Z-DAY Battle Royale Staking, Voting, Game Launcher eSports team & Web3 Accelerator This might be the first real shot at integrating AI into Web3 gaming in a way that actually makes the gameplay better, not just a buzzword. DYOR but this feels like it has 10x+ potential once the AI hype hits gaming full force. Ticker: $LUNAR Let me know what you think. I’m bullish.

robi_biggbosss

[MoonShot Alert] MoonPrime Games | $LUNAR — First Web3 Gaming Project with Social AI NPCs Most crypto games = basic mechanics + bad graphics. MoonPrime Games? They’re dropping actual AAA-quality PC games — with AI-powered NPCs that can talk, think, and interact with YOU and with each other. Think Skyrim, but smarter... and on-chain. What makes $LUNAR a hidden gem? No VC money – 100% self-funded during the bear (these guys GRINDED) Fair Launch – No presale, no insider pump and dump Deflationary – Already burned 9.4% of supply 2 PC Games LIVE – Not promises, real playable stuff In-Game AI Agents – NPCs actually hold conversations, evolve behavior AI Browser App + Web3 Gaming Magazine Still under the radar – but not for long Coming in 2025: Mobile + browser games Z-DAY Battle Royale Staking, Voting, Game Launcher eSports team & Web3 Accelerator This might be the first real shot at integrating AI into Web3 gaming in a way that actually makes the gameplay better, not just a buzzword. DYOR but this feels like it has 10x+ potential once the AI hype hits gaming full force. Ticker: $LUNAR Let me know what you think. I’m bullish.

Hanzieoo

Are you running a node? If not this is your opertunity. An i5 laptop of optiplex mini PC of ebay. 2tb SSD hard drive. Install Linux and Parmanode as node software. It has sparrow wallet inside. Node and transaction PC. About $300 for a used PC and $300 for the SSD (Australian$ pricing)

Salt-Pomegranate-840

Lesson learn. Avoid having your PC continuously running unmonitored nowadays, especially a WinOS PC.

snksleepy

They want to maybe give you a $200 gift card so you can turn on your PC at all times for them to use your PC to power their AI. All costing you over a thousand in an electric bill per year.

DreamingTooLong

What does bitbox02 do better than Jade Wallet? Jade is compatible with both PC and mobile device

ManlyAndWise

A question if I may: why from Trezor to Bitbox? I excluded Bitbox because it seems to me it does not have a screen and I need a screen to double check the information I see on the PC screen.

FirstAmendmentIsDead

Yep looks like misunderstood the post. I responded assuming he was trying to write down his seed phrase, not his private key as the post says. That’s why I recommended BlueWallet so that he could get a seed phrase which Bitcoin Core does not use. I’d still choose a seed phrase generated in BlueWallet 10/10 times over a private key from Bitcoin Core on a PC for security and readability, so I still hope OP still goes route.

cleankiwii

i did choose the bitcoin only version so i’m assuming i installed that one firmware! btw is it gonna ask me to type in a very small keyboard on the Safe 5 so it’s doesn’t become HOT in my windows PC? last question: do we have the official web page so i can see patches to confirm updates authenticity?

FirstAmendmentIsDead

You are correct. Try using BlueWallet on your phone instead to generate your private key using a mnemonic seed. Do NOT use any website or application on your computer to generate a seed. Electrum can do it, but I wouldn’t trust any PC to be free of viruses. You’re way more likely to have a clean phone.

relentlessoldman

The hell with buying them, just setup your 2009 PC to mine them and put it in the corner.

pop-1988

> at the exchange level (Coinbase, Crypto(.)com etc.) your seed phrase and private keys are held by the exchange This is false. The exchange does not have any seed phrase or private keys connected to your account. At the exchange level, you have an account with a balance and a transaction history. Your account is not a wallet. The exchange has a wallet. There is no correlation between the exchange's wallet and your exchange account > you do not own the crypto you purchased True, because an exchange account is not a wallet > with a hot wallet (Exodus, Trust etc.) you have access to your seed phrase and private keys True > cold wallets (Ledge, Trezor, etc.) and how are they different than a hot wallet A cold wallet is a computer, with wallet software. It's just like a hot wallet, but never connects to the Internet > If you can use your seed phrase to gain access to your digital wallet from your cold wallet device doesn't that hashed seed phrase need to be stored online? No. Your seed phrase and private keys are only known to you and your wallet. A wallet is self-contained. None of its secrets are registered anywhere. That's a centralized view. Crypto systems are not centralized At this point, you and your friends can check your assumptions - they're thinking that the only way for your seed phrase to be unique is to register all seed phrases on a central registry. Bitcoin is much more innovative than that bad assumption. The seed phrase (and all the private keys derived from it) is unique by being derived from a very, very, very large random number. Brilliant! Yes? > do cold wallets store your crypto coins on them Some do, some do not. It's not necessary. But your next question is the important one ... > how does that get back to the block chain to record the movement of said crypto The user needs an on-line wallet app with a watching-only wallet. This software comes with the device - Ledger Live, Trezor Suite - or the user can choose a hardware-wallet compatible software app, like Electrum or Sparrow. As a watching-only wallet, it knows all the wallets addresses, and none of the secrets. This makes a transaction a 5-step process (two important steps, it's not complicated) * the watching-only wallet uses its transaction history, and the blockchain, to build an unsigned transaction * send the unsigned transaction to the cold wallet - by USB, or SD card, or QR image, or Bluetooth * the wallet device is a computer, with wallet software and all the wallet's keys and addresses. It signs the transaction using the appropriate keys * the wallet device sends the signed transaction (by USB, or SD card, or QR image, or Bluetooth) to the PC or phone running the watching-only wallet * the watching-only wallet app sends the transaction to a node, for inclusion in a near-future block > why a cold wallet is more secure than a hot wallet The cold wallet stores its keys and never exposes the keys to any network. The transaction process is split into two * make transaction * sign transaction And the signing is done on the cold wallet using the keys The on-line watching-only wallet has all the access it needs, because it knows all the wallet's addresses. Because it never does signatures, it never needs to see the keys

SmoothGoing

It's likely your Windblows PC is hosed and it's infecting every executable that lands on the disk.

AutoIndepth

I don't trust hardware wallet creation randomness. I am planning to use a dice to make it pure random with a offline PC. After 10 years i may use a hardware wallet or a pc to take BTC out.

riscten

Perfectly fine to not get a hw wallet for long term storage, but as others have mentioned, you'll need something to generate the last word in your mnemonic and to derive the public addresses so that you can receive coins. This can be done with an airgapped PC if you really don't want to use a hw wallet.

riscten

Airgapped PC

Artistic_Sir_4888

Back then mining did have a cost. I recall buying the most expensive gpus at the time from Newegg. 5k on a 1 PC in those days weren't cheap or low cost. All for a shot of getting some BTC rewarded. It wasn't guaranteed. I totally get everything you've said but there's so much more that made Bitcoin what it is. Example, the black market. This is 100% unique to Bitcoin. Those times cannot be replicated.

Realistic-Town1574

but would you buy Jade just for that? And is it as safe as bitbox02? The only thing I´m doubting about buying or not bitbox is that with bitbox I must connect to a PC it to use it

SmoothGoing

Think ahead how are you going to securely spend it. Hardware wallet is a secure signing device. No need to contort yourself getting the key off PDF, signing offline, and shuffling the signed TX to an online PC to push it.

StrictAd7959

Fuck trezor this option is 1000 times more safe. qr code signing with perfectly air gapped device. With trezor or any cold wallet generally how do you know you won't get compromised when you connect directly to PC with internet? Doesn't matter is it via cable,usb or sd card. You can still get compromised. This is how it's done, old school way.

StrictAd7959

Finally one normal post about this, i have been scrolling on this reddit topic for last 1hr and everyone is against it and i can only see that they don't understand that this is the way to go! I prefer PC version but love the phone idea too! I think this is best version of cold wallet and no one can prove me it isn't just qr codes and you can see what are you signing and that's it. anything you have to connect with wire,usb, or sd card can be compromised. \+ there is no need to ever update tails OS for any reason when you just use it for offline signing! I loved old keystone airgapped wallet but they ruined it with this new version that you can choose to airgap. Still i like it for using with hot wallets with memecoins but they ruined it.

SomeYak5426

A node isn’t a person. It can be a PC in someone’s basement or racks of custom equipment run by a business employing multiple people with their own internal bureaucracy. You can’t know from network observation, so it’s not a case of farting d amount of people to agree, it’s getting 51% of hashing power to agree.

KCConnor

Some of us chads been buying since e-btc.com and pre silk road, back before Cypriots wanted it to stop their government from backdoor raiding their bank accounts. I've spent 20 Bitcoin to buy PC hardware from a sketchy homemade website that ran sales in BTC. I've bought Bitcoin in a mall food court from a stranger I contacted on Craigslist or Backpage.

riscten

You need to get the nomenclature right. What truly matters here is that you have the private key or the 12/24-word mnemonic. If you own a hardware wallet, generate a new wallet (new mnemonic) then enter the mnemonic or private key from your old address on your hardware wallet and transfer all funds to the new public address. If you don't own a hardware wallet, this can be done using an airgapped phone or PC but it's a more involved process that requires more care to avoid exposing your private keys and mnemonic.

v4g4b0nd888

Alright. And as a PC (Windows) software for live protection, any in particular standing out?