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Ok_Specialist1911

When you realize it is essentially MoIP (Money over IP) you will understand it is the most efficient form of value transfer, not controlled by any govt, entity. VoIP progressed from simple voice calls to free two way video conferencing. MoIP > VoIP.

Smart-Top4085

I haven’t done a full forensic analysis yet, but I’m seriously considering it now, checking login timestamps, IP activity, device sessions, everything. Because right now, I just want the truth. Whether it’s a compromise, malware, or something on their end, I need to know. I’ve already contacted support multiple times, but it feels like I’m hitting a wall. No real investigation, no accountability so far, just standard responses. I’m not giving up though. I’m pushing this as far as I can. And yeah… the Drake angle I don’t know if that’ll lead anywhere, but at this point I’m willing to try anything to get attention on this. If you’ve got any specific suggestions on how to trace this or escalate it further, I’m all ears. I just want answers and hopefully, my money back.

AutisticGayBear69

Insiders can’t be American because Polymarket geoblocks US IP addresses. /s

NoodlesOnTuesday

Good instinct building this. Automating the manual stuff is usually where it starts. The next wall you will hit is when you want live data instead of fetching on refresh. REST polling works fine until you want updates faster than every 30-60 seconds, and then the rate limits start biting. Most crypto exchanges count API calls per IP or per key, and polling 10+ assets across 3 exchanges adds up fast. WebSocket feeds solve the rate limit problem but come with their own headaches: reconnection handling, sequence gaps, timestamp drift between exchanges. The spreadsheet approach breaks down pretty quickly once you want anything near real-time. If you stay in the polling world, one thing worth doing is centralising the fetching to a single process instead of pulling from multiple tabs or scripts. That way you control the request budget properly.

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Post is by: teddy_41 and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1s5io95/ai_views_on_new_kind_of_network_nkn_looking_for/ I asked Gemini Ai on my android phone some questions about NKB. below are the answers. please share any as to why this is a bogus perspective. Ai views on New Kind of Network (NKN) this post keeps getting removed by mods in crypto Reddits am I onto something? Why an AI Agent Would Use NKN? The primary "why" is autonomy. Traditional AI agents (like those using OpenAI’s API) rely on centralized servers. If the server goes down or the API provider deplatforms the agent, it "dies." NKN offers: Serverless Presence: AI agents can have a permanent, globally reachable address (an NKN ID) without needing a static IP or a centralized cloud host. End-to-End Encryption: Because NKN is peer-to-peer (P2P), agents can exchange sensitive data or proprietary model outputs with 100% privacy—crucial for "DeAI" (Decentralized AI). Anti-Censorship: Agents operating on NKN cannot be easily blocked by traditional firewalls or centralized gatekeepers because their traffic is relayed through a mesh of over 100,000 global nodes. How an AI Agent Uses NKN The integration usually happens through NKN’s Universal Communication Service (UCS) or dedicated plugins for agent frameworks. 1. Peer-to-Peer "Secret" Communication Agents can talk to one another directly. For example, the ElizaOS (a popular framework for autonomous agents) has an NKN plugin. This allows an agent to: Send a task request to another agent. Receive a processed data set back. All without the data ever touching a centralized server like AWS or Google Cloud. 2. Decentralized Model Inference An agent can use NKN to "shop" for compute. The Request: An agent needs to run a large language model (LLM) but doesn't have the local hardware. The Relay: It sends the prompt over the NKN network to a decentralized worker node. The Result: The worker node processes the inference and sends the result back through NKN’s secure tunnel. 3. Human-to-Agent Interface (nMobile & d-Chat) NKN has integrated AI bots directly into their private messaging apps (like nMobile). How it works: You send a message to an NKN address. The NKN network relays that message to the AI agent’s local environment. The agent processes it and sends a response back via the same P2P path. 4. The "Proof of Relay" Incentive If an AI agent is part of a larger autonomous swarm, it can actually earn NKN tokens by acting as a relay node for other agents. This creates a self-sustaining micro-economy where agents pay each other in NKN for bandwidth and data transmission. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

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Post is by: GlockenspielVentura and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1s5bw48/a_perfect_recent_case_study_on_the_treachery_and/ # The Anoma Foundation raised $60M for Namada. They abandoned the project. Now they are cashing out with XAN on Ethereum. **TL;DR:** The Anoma Foundation took in roughly $60 million from Polychain Capital, Coinbase Ventures, and other groups. The pitch was Namada was supposed to be a privacy blockchain on Cosmos. The NAM token eventually launched. Community members spent years working on it. The Foundation immediately pivoted to Ethereum. They launched a new token called XAN. This new project cannibalizes the original vision. NAM crashed 97%. XAN secured instant listings on Coinbase, Bybit, and KuCoin. The main community team behind NAM quit publicly in February 2026. They specifically cited political roadblocks. # Who is behind this Adrian Brink, Awa Sun Yin, and Christopher Goes started the Anoma Foundation in Zug, Switzerland back in 2020. They all have backgrounds at Tendermint. Goes personally designed the IBC protocol. That technology handles cross-chain communication for the entire Cosmos ecosystem. A research lab called Heliax handled the core development. That lab had 40 to 50 engineers at its peak. The Anoma Foundation still maintains total control over both Namada and Anoma. # The funding * **Jan 2021:** $6.75M seed round. Polychain Capital led. Coinbase Ventures participated. * **Nov 2021:** $26M Series B. The valuation hit $260M. * **May 2023:** $25M Series C. CMCC Global led this round. * **Early 2025:** $2.5M community round via Echo.xyz. * **Total:** Roughly $60.25 million. The fundraising thesis was always Namada. Investors bought into a privacy-focused Cosmos chain utilizing zero-knowledge cryptography. # What the community did for Namada * 2,510 people joined the largest trusted setup ceremony in crypto history late in 2022. They generated the zk-SNARK parameters for the privacy pool. * Thousands of users tested the network during the Shielded Expedition in early 2024. * Over 180 independent validators launched the mainnet in December 2024. The Foundation ran zero nodes. * Community teams built the infrastructure. Knowable, TuDudes, and TNSO created governance tools and mobile wallets. They worked for minimal pay. * Voters passed five separate mainnet phases through on-chain governance. # The timeline of abandonment **Dec 3, 2024:** Namada mainnet Phase 1 goes live. **Jun 19-20, 2025:** NAM token transfers unlock. The price touches $0.07 briefly. Massive sell pressure hits immediately. Zero major exchange listings happen. Binance, Coinbase, and Kraken pass. CoinMarketCap ignores it. **Sep 29, 2025:** \***Three months pass\*.** The Anoma Foundation deploys the XAN token on Ethereum. The supply is 10 billion. That is ten times larger than NAM. \*\*\*\*Coinbase lists XAN immediately. Bybit, KuCoin, Gate, and MEXC follow suit.\*\*\*\*\*\*\* **Oct-Nov 2025:** The Foundation introduces AnomaPay. It is a private stablecoin router built with Noble. They deploy it on Base and Arbitrum. \*\*\*\*\*Knowable was trying to build this exact same Borderless Private USDC product on Namada.\*\*\*\*\*\*\* **Nov 2025:** Core GitHub commits for Namada stop. Development on the Namadillo UI freezes. **Dec 2025:** Heliax lays off key longtime developers. **Feb 27, 2026:** Knowable publicly quits the ecosystem. They spent 3.5 years building there. Their farewell post cites political issues blocking upgrades and marketing campaigns. They explicitly state they lacked the power to overcome these internal constraints. They return 52.4 million NAM to the public goods fund and shut down their validator. **Mar 2026:** Christopher Goes publicly claims the Cosmos ecosystem is dying. He points to Osmosis entering maintenance mode and Noble leaving Cosmos. # The Coinbase connection 1. **Coinbase Ventures funded the Anoma Foundation seed round in 2021.** 2. **Coinbase never listed NAM.** 3. **Coinbase listed XAN the moment it launched.** 4. **AnomaPay runs on Base. Base is the Coinbase L2.** 5. **Paradigm backs Noble. Paradigm has deep ties to Coinbase.** The financial incentives all point to Ethereum. **The NAM community funded the early research through free labor**. Now XAN holders reap the benefits. Consider the regulatory double standard. **Coinbase refuses to list Monero due to regulatory fears. XAN gets a pass**. XAN is an ERC-20 token. It trades transparently. The privacy happens inside the protocol. The functional outcome is identical. **\*\*\*\*Look at Kaspa. KAS has a $1B market cap and massive community backing. VCs are completely absent from Kaspa. Coinbase refuses to list it. Having Coinbase Ventures on your cap table guarantees a listing.\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*** # What Knowable is doing now Gavin Birch leads Knowable. He just announced Armada. This new project brings the private USDC concept to Ethereum. Both the Foundation and the top community team reached the exact same conclusion. Namada is dead. Ethereum is the future. # My Conclusion 1. A VC-backed foundation sells a specific thesis. 2. The community provides years of cheap labor. 3. The market meta changes. 4. The foundation launches a new token on a new chain. They take the IP with them. 5. The original supporters get stuck with a dead token. 6. VCs secure exit liquidity through their exchange connections. The MASP technology is real. The community built it. XAN holders on Ethereum get all the upside. 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ReadingTheSign23

If LND is listening on [0.0.0.0:9735](http://0.0.0.0:9735), then I’d stop staring at the config first and look at the Windows firewall or router NAT rules again. That part usually ends up being the culprit even when it looks “open” on paper. Also worth checking whether your public IP changed, or if you’ve got double NAT from the ISP gear plus your own router. That setup is sneaky and causes exactly this kind of headache. The fact 8333 works but 9735 doesn’t makes me think LND itself is probably fine and something on the network path just isn’t forwarding that port cleanly.

OddBritishMan

Do a data request on coinbase and get all the data logs for the account. Maybe it will include login dates and IP addresses etc.

BoofBass

Some hacker might be able to get your IP from your reddit account and target you. Id delete the post once you've got your informative replies.

Sea-Advertising8372

Viikko 9.–15.3.2026 Ma – 20.9 km (1:40) - AP: PK 10 km - IP: PK 10 km + bounding + nopeusvedot Ti – 30.0 km (2:06) - AP: VK 5 x 6 min (1 min pal) + ver + maksimivoima - IP: VK 4 x 1 km + 11 x 400 m (45 s pal) + ver -> Uusi nopeusennätys 🔥 Ke – 24.0 km (2:18) - AP: Plyometria + pohkeet + PK 13 km - IP: PK 10 km + 5 vetoa To – 27.0 km (1:53) - AP: VK 5 x 6 min (1 min pal) + ver - IP: Mäet 15 x 200 m (hölkkä alas) + ver Pe – 15.0 km (1:30) - Maksimivoima + PK 15 km La – 31.0 km (2:04) - AP: VK kiihtyvä 15 km + ver - IP: PK 13 km Su – 22.2 km (1:34) - IP: PK 22 km Yhteensä: 170.1 km / 13:05

infernal_celery

Looking at the coins, I suspect they’re trying to remove the Luna/ Luna Classic network from their exchange. If there are no buys and sells, they’re just pointlessly maintaining nodes at operational and administrative cost. I would think they have presumed you aren’t interested in those and are abandoning them. This happens in TradFi too where a fund is basically unsuccessful and the investor has pretty much abandoned the investment as a lost cause. The fund needs to get rid of the assets to liquidate, the manager can’t liquidate without selling the assets or getting consent from the investor, the investor DGAF and you end up in a weird situation of trying to get the investor to agree to forefeit whatever crap is left in the fund, which is usually some crap contract right or useless IP or something.

hnizdja2

Thanks for the feedback and for sharing your results! That \~30% uplift is awesome and perfectly validates why we believe dynamic DCA beats static DCA any day. You make a totally fair point about restricting API keys. Disabling withdrawal rights and using IP whitelisting should be the absolute minimum standard whenever anyone uses an API key. However, even 'trade-only' keys shared with a centralized SaaS carry significant risks if that platform gets compromised. There have been instances where attackers breached a SaaS, took control of 'trade-only' keys, and used them to buy completely illiquid altcoins at massively inflated prices. By trading against their own wallets, attackers can effectively drain your account balance without ever needing withdrawal permissions. And regarding IP whitelisting—if you use a SaaS, you have to whitelist *their* IPs. If their servers are breached, the attacker is using the 'trusted' IP anyway. Our goal wasn't to say SaaS bots are inherently bad (many are great!), but rather to completely eliminate that third-party honeypot risk. **Also, since AccBot is a community open-source project, it is completely free to use—unlike** [**dca.bot**](http://dca.bot) **and similar SaaS platforms that require monthly subscriptions.** No central database of API keys, no monthly fees, just a local tool for the privacy-paranoid (like us! 😁).

TumbleweedWorldly325

The real problem we have is that government is not trying shut down the scammers. The block chain for BTC is entirely open. The should be able to follow the transfer of the coins until they are converted for cash. The gov can get the IP addresses and locations of the scammers. There are ways to track through mixer services. The other thing is that people should wise up - everything is a scam!

suspicious_Jackfruit

You do know at any scale larger than a hobbyist it won't be someone manually clicking on links in a Blockchain explorer and sticking pins in a wall right? This sort of problem is exactly why computers were invented. It's a finite set of data points, split n ways. It would be an algorithm that through various means could eliminate a large percentage or all of the non relevant destination wallets. Let alone if a state or agency had additional data at the node level which by now I suspect they do run nodes and siphon additional data. Like what happened with metamask default RPC provider now collecting your IP address. That data is almost certainly acquired by interested parties

Pimpwerx

No. It's a great app. You really have to build out a proper memory stack to make it smarter. Without vector and graph layers, it's a fucking amnesiac who gets regular concussions for to compaction. Just lock it down on a server and it's fine. It can only access what you allow it. Scope your API keys, and IP restrict them to your tunneled server. Bar to entry for getting OC actually usable is high enough that people really should know better. The capabilities of the bot scream for isolation. Limit blast radius and you can have an agent farm to serve all your projects. I'm pretty sure a ton of people are working on making OC something that's use friendly for this very reason. Can't have it nuking the accounts it's working. Running it locally is scary. All the guardrail prompts in the world aren't enough to not make me nervous.

Hour-Oil-1666

Yeah it's whole application with local db, you can run it locally and connect via url, local IP on the phone - not all views are mobile ready unfortunately

IronArchitect

The Sudden Clarity Clarence tone of this screams AI bot. TL;DR; Someone could improve on the bitcoin protocol, maybe, assuming this isn’t all bullshit, which it probably is, (idk, I’m not a distributed cryptology consensus expert) so panik! But I would tend to fall back to “yeah there are also better protocols than TCP/IP for the internet but try replacing it”.

CandidateNo2580

Are you implying that TCP/IP, peer to peer networking, hash functions, computers, the internet, undersea cables, etc are also discovered not invented? Because they all pre-date Bitcoin and Bitcoin owes existence to them (and many others) to function. I'm a big advocate of Bitcoin. I've been through the source code. I've written blockchains. I'm just not a fan of putting it on a pedestal it doesn't belong. And to be clear it belongs on a high pedestal - but so do all those other technologies.

CandidateNo2580

You've got some circular reasoning there at the end. Is it that a better version hasn't been made (which objectively it has, every altcoin claims some edge over Bitcoin, in the early days most of the claims were even true) or that the first mover advantage is so large it chugs along with market dominance by sheer force of momentum? If Bitcoin was "discovered" as a natural phenomena then the internet was discovered? Peer to peer networking was discovered? TCP/IP, sha256, binary, etc were all also discovered. Which I wouldn't disagree with, but then Bitcoin seems to be not so special in company anymore.

P8j6

It would be good to mention that they are very picky about IP addresses. They rejected my residential normal IP and gave it a score of 0. So I won't make any "grass".

Broken_By_Default

OP made a tool that will capture your IP and you willingly put in how big your stack is.

Simke11

Literally everyone who wants to go online has to use TCP/IP. Almost no one needs to use BTC. Let's be real, most people see BTC as highly speculative asset and only reason they buy it is "number go up".

HSuke

Anyone still using token rings? Hubs? Arpanet NCP? Plenty of dead protocols. TCP and IP are only 2 layers of the OSI network stack. The whole network stack is constantly evolving unlike Bitcoin. Bitcoin is dino tech that doesn't evolve. Imagine if we were still using the original specifications of networking. It would be completely outdated.

baIIern

Has Bitcoin any use? TCP/IP has a hell of a use case

TheresNoSecondBest

That's correct. The only thing that will connect them might be your wallet node operator, linking the addresses to your IP. That is fixable by running your own node.

Shrijit27

I agree, this feels similar to early internet days. Most people didn’t care about TCP/IP, all they cared about email working....People like Balaji often frames crypto as long-term system evolution, and even Evan Luthra has pointed out that mainstream adoption won’t come from price hype but from friction disappearing. Simplicity is probably the real unlock.

3nino

registered IP • games published as day 1 releases on the Play Solana console PSG-1 • partnership with art platform DripHaus and hundreds of original custom made pieces of art • merch shop • DAO • charity donations to Little Sunshine Pledge and SchoolOfNFT • NFT collection with built-in rewards mechanism • IRL events (maps handouts, booths, sticker contests, ads in Times Square, plane with $HEGE banner) • more community-made games • more contests, raffles, competitions, giveaways • weekly TA sessions and blog updates • collab with Capitoday for X Spaces + working on our own Spaces format • a shitload of stuff I'm forgetting welcome to the Hege fund.

3nino

• registered IP & company • games published as day 1 releases on the Play Solana console PSG-1 • partnership with art platform DripHaus and hundreds of original custom made pieces of art • merch shop • DAO • charity donations to Little Sunshine Pledge and SchoolOfNFT • NFT collection with built-in rewards mechanism • IRL events (maps handouts, booths, sticker contests, ads in Times Square, plane with $HEGE banner) • more community-made games • more contests, raffles, competitions, giveaways • weekly TA sessions and blog updates • collab with Capitoday for X Spaces + working on our own Spaces format • a shitload of stuff I'm forgetting welcome to the Hege fund. 

cryptofuturebright

When are they going to start buying other treasury companies that have IP and BTC. Pump it up.

perfectpaperpusher

I don’t need heavy concentration I like to keep a big 3 and I usually am pretty diverse, I have my hand in almost all of the top 10 coins except for XRP I got out of that.. I own Zero BTC and ETH. I refuse to buy BTC until it goes under 20k ETH I may buy if it goes to around 1600 I’d definitely buy it if it fell under 1000 I definitely get what you mean about smaller caps like $Tara $XDC $IP $INJ $FLR $IMX stuff like that … the gamble plays.. bags I don’t sell bc I don’t need the money but I’d definitely benefit from if they mooned or even just went to $1

Jpotter145

Website/explorer is fine and working for me right now. Probably read on what a 429 http error is.... this is likely something on your end or repeated requests/spam from your IP.

perfectpaperpusher

Ok for sure, I’ll be grabbing more IP, I’m just worried about the alts in general bc I haven’t been through that many bear markets holding ALTS specifically

ComplexWrangler1346

I’m not invested in any of them ….i am invested in Bittensor , story IP ETH and Space and time (SXT) Bittensor and story are both AI blockchains which is the future and SXT is fully backed my Microsoft and nvdia and teamed up with Chainlink ….AI crypto will do very well in the future

National-Catch-6324

Practice over policy, Telegrams privacy policy says they don’t provide anything other than an IP address + phone number, but even the IP part is wrong!

rgnet1

Bitcoin is an open-source protocol. It has no marketing because it has no owner. It would be like saying the TCP/IP protocol that carries packets over the Internet need marketing.

Academic_Wealth_3732

I’ve ran a successful online marketing agency since covid, you guys are 100% correct, bot traffic is out of control on all major networks. We began using paid services to reduce bot traffic by essentially cloaking against the known IP address’ of the click farms etc, blocking VPN traffic too. Here’s what Google did, suspended our account for circumvention - they want the bot traffic wasting ad revenue so we spend more! Managed to get the account back after around 3 weeks of back and forth.

ads1169

Beyond payments, I've used blockchain for timestamping documents. Creating cryptographic proof that a file existed at a specific point in time. It's genuinely useful for IP protection, research priority, legal evidence. That's actual utility that doesn't require mass adoption. You're not paying with crypto, you're using the immutability of a public ledger to prove something existed. Most people fixate on crypto as money, but the tamper-proof record-keeping aspect is where real-world value already exists.

swdee

No, your thoughts are out of ignorance and lack of understanding on how to make traceless payments and hide your IP.

Past_Expression54646

the government would easily be able to get a court order to get his IP from the ISP

baIIern

That's not how IP works. With the IP you still have nothing without haven access to the ISP using a court order. Besides, I think the info who had this IP address 17 years ago is probably long lost. And wtf is an "IP account"

DripPureLSDonMyCock

People, this could be a honey trap. Don't talk about anything you may or may not have done in the past... Ever. How hard would it be for LE to trace an IP address after you admit stuff, then next thing you know your coinbase account is seized or something.

godofleet

Is TCP/IP a religion? Is Email a religion?

Decentralization-God

Thanks. Btw I read quite a bit of interesting opinions or semi-facts. Like that in the earliest versions of Bitcoin there was IP stored (?) and there was some weirdness pointing to Hal/Satoshi could be one person, and the IP pointed to location where Hal hosted something etc.

confusedguy1212

TCP/IP and HTTP do change but in subtle ways. That said both of those are examples of finished and compete products. I wouldn’t say a money settlement layer happening once maybe every 10 minutes is a done and complete product. Perhaps you do. Both of those examples also don’t shy away from changing when a threat arises. Bitcoin has two main ones in its very near future (quantum and lack of ample fee revenues) and what is it doing? Nothing. That project is even more stagnant than US Congress.

ST-Fish

TCP/IP and HTTP don't really change that drastically that often (besides RFCs), they're pretty static in that way. And that's good. I wouldn't want something that aspires to be a sort of protocol for money settlement to change constantly.

poor_doc_pure

The moment she knows your secret recovery phrase your money is as good as gone they're no longer yours. Plus remember that the blockchain is transparent, everyone knows how much Bitcoin you have if they can link a public address to your wallet. You will inevitably become a Target. Everything can be tracked and triangulated through deep packet inspection and the IP address. Check $5 wrench attacks. Avoid address reuse at all costs https://bitcoinwiki.org/wiki/address-reuse My 2 cents.

HighPurchase

As much as I hated the concept of NFT’s I do think they will make a comeback. The size of the counter strike, Fortnite and Roblox skin markets show demand does exist. Just not when the item in question is literally a 100% useless monkey JPEG. Mark my words by 2035 some kind of NFT will get forced into some activation / epic games IP and I’ll get to watch on the sidelines and make fuck all as god intended.

ddbbccoopper

I don’t give two shits about the tech either, and honestly anyone claiming they care *more* about the tech than increasing their own wealth is being wildly dishonest with themselves. Price comes first. Always has. Interest follows price, adoption follows interest, and *then* you get whatever social or technological change people like to mythologize about later. The internet didn’t reshape society because TCP/IP was elegant, it reshaped society because money, eyeballs, and incentives piled in once it became economically unavoidable. Bitcoin is no different. The price going up is the Trojan horse. That’s how it gets inside the gates. Nobody was evangelizing node sovereignty and monetary theory at $200 while losing their shirt out of pure ideological conviction. This whole “I’m just here for the tech” narrative is another fairy tale people tell themselves to feel morally superior about wanting number go up. Wanting the price to increase *is the point*. Pretending otherwise is just cosplay.

Romanizer

If I had numbers, I would post them. The truth is, nobody has reliable figures regarding Bitcoin ownership at this stage. Suggesting there are more than 100 million Bitcoin owners in India alone is hard to believe, IMO. Maybe it is wallets/addresses based on IP, but the link doesn't provide any methodology.

AsbestosDude

IMO the best use cases are things which are already public record. Think things like mineral claims, that and there are some decent credential, verification, and gatekeeping capabilities that are all very promising and fairly practical but yea "IP ownership" is pretty much just a rouse.

Necessary-Long-2953

"Unusable garbage" that still has the most TVL, most stablecoins, most DeFi activity, and most developer tooling. Weird how that works. First mover advantage is still advantage. Network effects are real. Liquidity doesn't migrate on vibes - it moves when there's a reason to. If ETH launched today it'd struggle, sure. So would TCP/IP. That's not the argument you think it is.

ExpensiveGrowth4945

Using USDT would remove the Bank risk, the seller doesn't learn the buyers bank details, so now you have that privacy you wanted in HODL HODL, but you're right, now you need to get that USDT into your bank and you hit the privacy issue there. The problem is the bank. Without the bank, you have the need for in-person cash trades. The problem is fiat. I personally would use something like Bisq or for smaller amounts Robosats. No USDT, no KYC, just peer to peer with an arbiter and coordination system which has by design minimal information unless you start a dispute and need to provide details. I accept that the person I am trading with is going to know my name and bank account details, it is a risk, we can't have perfect security, but that vs giving Coinbase or someone else my bank details plus trading history plus IP address and so on is much bigger in my opinion. Especially because they are a company and companies can be compelled by intelligence agencies to act maliciously toward users (eg. give us their data and don't tell them) and also they are honeypots for criminals just the same.

RiceMofo

Did you just check his history or can you actually see a users IP on Reddit?

Fine-Target2563

This is actually brilliant - you're targeting the real chokepoint instead of just slapping tokens on existing assets The ZK privacy angle is clutch too because nobody wants their building plans leaked to competitors. City gets compliance verification, architect keeps their IP, everyone wins Only concern is adoption - governments move slower than continental drift when it comes to new tech. How do you bootstrap this when most city planners probably still use fax machines?

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MaximumStudent1839

What do you mean by "real assets"? Do you mean it appreciates over time? If the cost of using the protocol increases over time, you eventually trigger the substitution effect. This substitution means the user is moving back to TradFi/Web2 solutions or switching to a competing crypto protocol. In traditional companies, they have moats to defend against these substitution effects because they hold IP rights, industry secrets, brand loyalty, etc. 1) IP rights aren't really enforceable in a permissionless system, such as crypto. 2) The system runs on game theory more than regulators' enforcement. For that matter, you have to disclose code to scale trust up, or you will eventually face the wrath of regulators. The open source nature of code means you can't really hold a lot of industry secrets. 3) Crypto prides itself on being more "open" than traditional systems. That often leads to removing much of the friction for users when switching. Brand loyalty does exist here, but the lower switching cost means you can't really push the envelope to monetize users to the same extent as you can with Web 2 companies. Bear in mind that many crypto's marketing points point to a system with weaker business moats. So you shouldn't be surprised these weaker business moats translate to poorer assets based on utility consumption.

JustExpert6

I'm still waiting for distributions from Bitcoin...hmmm Dear Customer, We’ve detected an unusual transaction attempt on your PayPal account. A payment of $549.99 for 0.0062 BTC (Bitcoin) was initiated from an unrecognized IP address located in Ohio. For your protection, this transaction has been temporarily placed on hold pending your confirmation

SpendHefty6066

I think you are right about Tails using TOR by default. So your real IP addresses are concealed. Still, using someone else's node leaks all of your UTXOs in combination in your wallet and more importantly, you cannot be 100% certain of that node being a good actor. I know of no cases where a rogue node was the default node for a popular wallet, but the Bitcoin ethos is: "Don't trust. Verify." Running a node is the only way to be 100% certain that your transactions are verified. Also, when the next hard fork happens, you want to make sure that your rules are the ones you want. That can only be done with certainly by running your own node...These are some of the other reasons to run a node.

Smiletaint

I’m fairly certain tails uses TOR by default, so OP’s true IP would not be exposed. Please someone correct me if I’m wrong. But yes there are other reasons to run a node.

Green_Ad9723

IP Story Strong Buy 🚀🚀🚀

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so you are HODLing , and you have traded sats and so like all wealth, it ebbs & flows in totals , due to trading, which is basically what its for (a means of exchange) you still have a reasonable amount (your store of wealth), and you think that somehow people will run out of BTC? ,unlikely as a consensus would have to happen , all nodes would have to shut down and stop communicating even though they are connected via HTTP or TCP/IP internet protocol was developed to survive communication even should a nuclear war disrupt communication , you are talking a very hyperthetical what if that is highly unlikely - If Blackrock owned 100% of BTC and bitcoin nodes it would have bought them off the previous owner via a trade of a centralised stablecoin or an Alternate Blockchian & then the BTC would be worthless, why woulld they reinvent the wheel decentralised consensus controlled limited supply and digital cryptography / math is part of the universe, it will never lose value

SpendHefty6066

Run a node and broadcast it yourself. Verifies everything and also protects your privacy. Using someone else's node leaks your IP Addresses linked to your UTXOs.

Astropin

Is the base layer protocol of the Internet still TCP/IP? Which was invented in the fucking 70's.

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Objective_Digit

> it’s just slow because the tech is from 2009 Utter rubbish. It's software, a protocol. It's updated when it needs to be. It's not a smartphone. Protocols can last decades. Look at TCP/IP. No PoS coin is secure as it is secured only with software, only by itself really.

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siasl_kopika

you think that TCP/IP will be the ONLY way to communicate with reddit servers to post your thoughts? the network effect be like that.

Dry_Professional8254

More privacy I’d say, when moving my bitcoins to my cold wallet. I wanted to use Tor to hide my IP, while using Lightning to lose the trail. The goal is to make it difficult for the government or any company to track the address trail linking to your cold wallet.

ElderMight

The biggest reason is increased privacy. If you are not using your own node to broadcast transactions and sum your UTXOs to show your balance, you are using someone else's node. That other node operator can see your balance and your IP address, so if you're holding more than $10k in bitcoin, you might become a target of a bad actor. Other benefits include being able to audit the supply of bitcoin at any time, initiate your own peer to peer transactions, and participate in network consensus, making it stronger and more secure. And the other big reason is you have a vote on the direction of the network. If the developers make changes you don't like, you don't have to run that software. You choose the version you want to run to secure your wealth.

PrizeNegative1797

I agree in theory but disagree a tad in the practical. You mentioned the on/off ramps which is where they get you. Bitcoin isn’t a closed financial system it’s always being moved to other things currency, crypto or physical purchases with mailing address etc and that’s where it’s easiest to ID a user. But even the trade btc itself can yield users ID because of account kyc and that all “coins” can be traced by transactions and so users revealed in that way even if you trade without having revealed your ID. Then there’s IP addresses and the litany of information our computers share over the internet. Yes it’s semi anonymous. But it’s not a privacy coin there’s minero for that.

penoleme

It’s not just IP and location, it’s who and when your wallet interacts with, and it’s FOREVER. you do you but one day when they come knocking on your door, that’s on you!

t00ls742

then you're doing it wrong VPN TOR and proxies....make your IP jump around

benjaminchodroff

I’m a big fan of running my own node. Bonus feature: you can connect your wallet software such as Sparrow to it for enhanced privacy! No more revealing your xpub and IP address to a third party. Umbrel makes running a node easy.

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StrategyStrict7158

Again, yes they do. You're arguing about things you don't even know. They do use Binance. Obviously, you don't even know the basics so why are we even talking. This is directly from MEXC's own website. MEXC futures pricing is determined by the [**Index Price**](https://www.google.com/search?q=Index+Price&sca_esv=7158150de61051ff&source=hp&ei=vIFdabuPENWKwbkPs4rGgAw&iflsig=AOw8s4IAAAAAaV2PzH4BnxGVvTqSi1hngnAsjVX-bnOs&oq=how+is+mexc+futures+pricing&gs_lp=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&sclient=gws-wiz&mstk=AUtExfBk9BePi7vjLJ5IjGlEfTQCNdaHvoEO34hVY66QdkHypofg6Q5xna-eTyCA5RBp-G1-Fp2v6d5fQ-P2ZgA8GEOumzS4H5CjTLlIpvv3h6_kXwr7maTZvfufVwqrCXPVTyaR_XtNBB7IP5TClnqhUK47NS-Xmll7SI_z1U-690izK-A&csui=3&ved=2ahUKEwjJ7cLr8PeRAxUVmmoFHYTzPLEQgK4QegQIARAB) (a weighted average of spot prices from major exchanges), the [**Fair Price**](https://www.google.com/search?q=Fair+Price&sca_esv=7158150de61051ff&source=hp&ei=vIFdabuPENWKwbkPs4rGgAw&iflsig=AOw8s4IAAAAAaV2PzH4BnxGVvTqSi1hngnAsjVX-bnOs&oq=how+is+mexc+futures+pricing&gs_lp=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&sclient=gws-wiz&mstk=AUtExfBk9BePi7vjLJ5IjGlEfTQCNdaHvoEO34hVY66QdkHypofg6Q5xna-eTyCA5RBp-G1-Fp2v6d5fQ-P2ZgA8GEOumzS4H5CjTLlIpvv3h6_kXwr7maTZvfufVwqrCXPVTyaR_XtNBB7IP5TClnqhUK47NS-Xmll7SI_z1U-690izK-A&csui=3&ved=2ahUKEwjJ7cLr8PeRAxUVmmoFHYTzPLEQgK4QegQIARAC) (used for PNL & liquidation, based on the index), and the [**Funding Rate**](https://www.google.com/search?q=Funding+Rate&sca_esv=7158150de61051ff&source=hp&ei=vIFdabuPENWKwbkPs4rGgAw&iflsig=AOw8s4IAAAAAaV2PzH4BnxGVvTqSi1hngnAsjVX-bnOs&oq=how+is+mexc+futures+pricing&gs_lp=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&sclient=gws-wiz&mstk=AUtExfBk9BePi7vjLJ5IjGlEfTQCNdaHvoEO34hVY66QdkHypofg6Q5xna-eTyCA5RBp-G1-Fp2v6d5fQ-P2ZgA8GEOumzS4H5CjTLlIpvv3h6_kXwr7maTZvfufVwqrCXPVTyaR_XtNBB7IP5TClnqhUK47NS-Xmll7SI_z1U-690izK-A&csui=3&ved=2ahUKEwjJ7cLr8PeRAxUVmmoFHYTzPLEQgK4QegQIARAD), which aligns perpetual futures prices with the spot market through payments between long and short traders. The actual traded price fluctuates based on supply/demand, while the funding mechanism keeps it anchored to the underlying asset's real value, preventing manipulation and ensuring stability.  Can you provide evidence of where their pricing comes from since you think you know better than MEXC's own statements?

StrategyStrict7158

Yes, they do use Binance. Obviously, you don't even know the basics so why are we even talking. This is directly from MEXC's own website. MEXC futures pricing is determined by the [**Index Price**](https://www.google.com/search?q=Index+Price&sca_esv=7158150de61051ff&source=hp&ei=vIFdabuPENWKwbkPs4rGgAw&iflsig=AOw8s4IAAAAAaV2PzH4BnxGVvTqSi1hngnAsjVX-bnOs&oq=how+is+mexc+futures+pricing&gs_lp=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&sclient=gws-wiz&mstk=AUtExfBk9BePi7vjLJ5IjGlEfTQCNdaHvoEO34hVY66QdkHypofg6Q5xna-eTyCA5RBp-G1-Fp2v6d5fQ-P2ZgA8GEOumzS4H5CjTLlIpvv3h6_kXwr7maTZvfufVwqrCXPVTyaR_XtNBB7IP5TClnqhUK47NS-Xmll7SI_z1U-690izK-A&csui=3&ved=2ahUKEwjJ7cLr8PeRAxUVmmoFHYTzPLEQgK4QegQIARAB) (a weighted average of spot prices from major exchanges), the [**Fair Price**](https://www.google.com/search?q=Fair+Price&sca_esv=7158150de61051ff&source=hp&ei=vIFdabuPENWKwbkPs4rGgAw&iflsig=AOw8s4IAAAAAaV2PzH4BnxGVvTqSi1hngnAsjVX-bnOs&oq=how+is+mexc+futures+pricing&gs_lp=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&sclient=gws-wiz&mstk=AUtExfBk9BePi7vjLJ5IjGlEfTQCNdaHvoEO34hVY66QdkHypofg6Q5xna-eTyCA5RBp-G1-Fp2v6d5fQ-P2ZgA8GEOumzS4H5CjTLlIpvv3h6_kXwr7maTZvfufVwqrCXPVTyaR_XtNBB7IP5TClnqhUK47NS-Xmll7SI_z1U-690izK-A&csui=3&ved=2ahUKEwjJ7cLr8PeRAxUVmmoFHYTzPLEQgK4QegQIARAC) (used for PNL & liquidation, based on the index), and the [**Funding Rate**](https://www.google.com/search?q=Funding+Rate&sca_esv=7158150de61051ff&source=hp&ei=vIFdabuPENWKwbkPs4rGgAw&iflsig=AOw8s4IAAAAAaV2PzH4BnxGVvTqSi1hngnAsjVX-bnOs&oq=how+is+mexc+futures+pricing&gs_lp=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&sclient=gws-wiz&mstk=AUtExfBk9BePi7vjLJ5IjGlEfTQCNdaHvoEO34hVY66QdkHypofg6Q5xna-eTyCA5RBp-G1-Fp2v6d5fQ-P2ZgA8GEOumzS4H5CjTLlIpvv3h6_kXwr7maTZvfufVwqrCXPVTyaR_XtNBB7IP5TClnqhUK47NS-Xmll7SI_z1U-690izK-A&csui=3&ved=2ahUKEwjJ7cLr8PeRAxUVmmoFHYTzPLEQgK4QegQIARAD), which aligns perpetual futures prices with the spot market through payments between long and short traders. The actual traded price fluctuates based on supply/demand, while the funding mechanism keeps it anchored to the underlying asset's real value, preventing manipulation and ensuring stability.  Can you provide evidence of where their pricing comes from since you think you know better than MEXC's own statements?

thecryptoguide13

UX friction is a stage of development, not a protocol failure. Early TCP/IP was complex, yet the world settled on it because of its underlying utility. Institutional wrappers like ETFs and custodians bridge the gap for the demographics you mentioned, allowing them to benefit from the asset's scarcity without the burden of personal key management.

Patient-Ordinary-359

Microsoft is a bad example for your argument. It was hugely valuable *before* the modern internet, selling operating systems and enterprise software on physical media to governments and corporations. Even if the internet vanished tomorrow, Microsoft and Google wouldn’t instantly become “nothing”; they’d still own IP, skilled workforces, contracts, physical capital, and adaptable business lines. Their value would fall sharply, but not drop to zero. No one would say they would be worth the same as they are today, that's obviously not the case, but it's also not zero. Bitcoin doesn’t degrade that way. Remove the network and there is nothing left to own or repurpose. And the mining equipment isn’t a counter either...once detached from the Bitcoin protocol, it’s just generic hardware competing with millions of identical machines. It doesn’t confer control, productive capacity, or any leverage over real resources.

Patient-Ordinary-359

You’re right that *all* goods depend on systems to be maximally useful. The distinction being made isn’t “Bitcoin depends on systems, therefore it’s bad,” or “physical things are magically useful without society.” The distinction is what kind of system dependence we’re talking about. Gold, land, factories, or food still exist as controllable physical resources even if markets, transport, or pricing mechanisms fail. Their usefulness may drop sharply, but the owner still has direct, non-negotiable control over something that can affect the physical world. Bitcoin doesn’t just degrade under system failure, it fully ceases to exist as a thing you can control at all. Its strength becomes its fatal weakness. The Microsoft/Google analogy misses that difference. Their *products* disappear without electricity, but the companies still own physical assets, IP, buildings, people, and productive capacity that persist outside the network layer. Bitcoin has no underlying substrate like that. So the point isn’t “email is useless” or “digital things are fake,” it’s that Bitcoin is often claimed to be *hard, system-independent money*, and this test shows it isn’t. If Bitcoin is framed as “a highly useful monetary network as long as the network exists,” that’s fine, but that’s a much narrower and more conditional claim than the one its strongest advocates usually make.

harvested

Grandma + cold storage? How much blockspace do you think there is available? Grandma isn't configuring TC/IP either, but she uses the internet.

Astropin

Bitcoin's invention was a "singular event"...it could only happen once. You can copy the code until the cows come home...but you cannot replicate the network effects. The TCP/IP protocol was invented in the early 70's and is still the base layer protocol of the Internet today. Bitcoin is a protocol..."the" protocol of electronic money.