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Bitlam

Once you fully understand Bitcoin you will also understand that your “end game” question is not the correct approach. It’s like asking what is your endgame regarding internet? Was fax it? Would you call it off at voice over IP? Is streaming the end of it?

Impressive-Handle-69

TCP/IP is dead.

user_name_checks_out

I have not looked at your thing, but let me just say that I do not ever search my addresses on any online block explorer, because that would allow the owner of the web site to link my IP address to my bitcoin balance. I would only use something like this on my own node.

Concordium_Official

Hi u/Visivle-Cheek5240, great question, and I think the key part is exactly what you pointed out, “without even knowing.” I would say it is closer than most people think. When I was at Google, I worked on products used by billions of people who never think about the infrastructure underneath. That is the benchmark. The best technology disappears into the background. You do not think about TCP/IP when you open a webpage, it just works. With standards like x402 being pushed by major internet players, we are moving toward a similar model for payments. AI agents will be able to pay for API calls, services, and digital resources seamlessly, without users needing to understand what is happening underneath. We are building toward a world where people use blockchain every day without realizing it. And this is not a 5 year vision. It is much closer, something like 12 to 18 months if things continue at this pace.

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Post is by: CheeseLordMan and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1swa1e2/stop_pretending_youre_a_rebel_your_decentralized/ I just watched 14,000 people debate the 'Dead Internet Theory' in real-time, and it hit me: the crypto community is the most deluded of them all. You guys talk about 'financial freedom' and 'sovereign identity' while using KYC-linked off-ramps and trading on platforms monitored by state-level neural networks. In 2026, there is no such thing as an 'off-grid' digital asset. If the AI can track your IP, your delivery address for that '10kg of gold' you dream about, and your spending patterns, you aren't a rebel—you're just a data point with a more expensive wallet. We aren't building a revolution; we’re building a transparent cage. Every Satoshi you move is indexed. Every 'private' transaction is a fingerprint. We’ve traded the old banks for a digital panopticon that never sleeps. Is anyone here actually awake, or are you all just bots pumping bags in a simulation that’s already been won by the house? Change my mind. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

CheeseLordMan

Buying a 'bass boat' or gadgets on Reddit P2P is a hobby, not a financial system. The moment you try to scale that to things that actually matter—real estate, legal protection, or taxes—the 'off-grid' fantasy collapses. You’re not circumventing the system; you're just playing in a backyard that hasn't been paved over yet. In 2026, if the AI can link your delivery address, your digital footprint, and your IP to a non-KYC transaction, you're not a ghost—you're just a target waiting to be indexed. The 'exit doors' aren't just about banks; they're about the infrastructure of reality.

TheresNoSecondBest

> Safety: if you suggest a website or an app to generate a wallet and get the keys for and then print it out on piece of paper. DON'T EVER USE A WEBSITE TO GENERATE KEYS. Preferably, do it offline. A fully open source hardware wallet like SeedSigner, Jade or Krux are IMHO the safest bet. >How are you 100% sure the generator is not fake? Because it's open source and you don't use a shitcoin wallet like [Cake](https://milksad.info/posts/research-update-10/) for example. >Anonymity: getting the wallet undocumented and how to later on exchange it back to fiat without having to through places like Coinbase etc... First: Run your own node. Every wallet, not connected through your nede is capable of linking and logging your IP to an address. This includes wallets, storing "privacy" shitcoins. Second: Buy bitcoin P2P at BISQ, Robosats, HodlHodl, PeachBitcoin or Vexl. For the highest anonymity, go with Vexl and exchange cash, face to face. Otherwise, you're leaving trial at your bank. >Purchasing: Many business online now accept crypto/btc but its usually associated to an account/name. Always pay over r/thelightningnetwork. The receiver cannot link back to your wallet because the LN doesn't use a blockchain. [Here's a good video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKdK-7AtAMQ), explaining how LN works. The privacy part is towards the end. Also, visit r/BitcoinBeginners and look around. Your questions have been answered on many occasions.

Silasurf

Mysterium dark VPN. You need a residential IP You are welcome

ZedZeroth

That's a good point, although I've never known e.g. Kraken to limit my withdrawals based on a change in IP location. I agree that if you declared your change of address to the exchange and they could no longer offer you services then that complicates matters, but the rules are usually that they can still allow withdrawals. Note that this won't involve bank transfers, which is where issues usually arise. I don't think the major exchanges (Kraken, Coinbase etc) would have an issue, especially if you're withdrawing to an already verified address that you've used in the past.

Glew26

Warning: if you pay the $18 for "early access", you need to watch it on the same IP you use when you click on the link. Just lost access and thought it was so crazy that this is the rule, so I asked for a refund - but no. No refunds.

skuidENK

This. I was brought on to the lead marketing efforts at one of these GameFi studios that had a boatload of cash. Prior to that, I lead marketing efforts at a relatively big “traditional” game studio. I wasn’t particularly keen on the blockchain space but was looking for something new and they were willing to pay me a stupid amount of money to come on. But also, I thought the IP was interesting and had potential to someday expand into other media. From the jump, I realized something was up. They had dropped their launch trailer with some gameplay footage and was looking to market its release sometime the following year. Cool so clearly they had a working version of the game. I chased the executive producer for weeks to try to test out the game and he kept giving me the runaround. So I put together a big meeting with the CEO and leads so I can pitch how I’d like to do marketing but I used that meeting to force someone to actually show me the game only to find out there is no game. There’s a ton of art assets but not even a working demo. The launch trailer was faked using UE5 assets from their marketplace. Jaw was on the floor. On top of all that, I was now managing a lot of the relationships with other web3 partners who I absolutely could not stand. All they wanted me to do was leverage our IP to hype up their projects. I kept bringing it up to the CEO and seniors that this blockchain community is disingenuous and no one really cares about the game we were supposed to be making. I kept pushing for us to just drop the blockchain and actually make the game that we announced but they weren’t hearing it. The only people they were listening to were random groups out in SE Asia and the Middle East. CEO didn’t have a game development background and thought they we could will a AAA into existence in 6 months just because it’s web3. It was like watching a slow motion train crash while you’re still on the train. Eventually I was let go as they had to cut cost in order to continue the project. I told them that that makes sense and that they were far away from actually marketing the game and had no need for marketing right now. A couple years later the whole project collapsed. I realized there was never really a plan to make the game. They were hoping they could drive enough hype so they can do their initial coin offering and then dump the project but unfortunately web3 started collapsing in mid-May right before they could do their ICO.

contractmine

On the face of it, yes, that's what one would think. Unfortunately, the sentiment out there with gamers (post 2021) is a full rejection of anything having to do with blockchain. Through a "normie" gamer perspective, they immediately associate crypto-anything with scam and dogpile on with rejection sentiment. I was well on the way with making a good game first, I had great press in 2019, positive feedback at GDC & PAX West demos in 2020... right before NFTs boomed. After that, I was the first blockchain game to get removed by Steam because they determined blockchain assets had tangible real-world value. However, later Gabe N. came out with the real reason in that he thinks crypto is a scam. Anyway, point being after that, the gamers rejected any notion of the game, who really knew nothing about the game or tokens, or NFTs but just decided blockchain game = evil. I pushed back for a while by like what's in this article, it wasn't possible to change the mindsets of gamers who had already seen the well as poisoned. So I think like even if you had say a large game IP implement blockchain assets or tokens, the over sentiment would be severely negative. For the past couple of years I've been reworking the game, now completely devoid of any blockchain integration. 😑

SelmakkW

You probably won’t get an IP from a blockchain transaction, but you should still report it. Sometimes exchanges can freeze funds if they land there.

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grandegi

Moving to a country with strict regulations can be stressful, but the beauty of crypto is that you can truly own your assets. The safest move is to get your funds off the exchanges and into a non-custodial wallet (hardware or software) before you leave. As long as you hold your own private keys, you don't have to worry about an exchange freezing your account due to your new IP address.

ShockCatOnSol

Exactly the read on BTC confirmation - SOL’s thesis strengthens significantly above $80.5K. On PENGU, the IP angle is what separates it from pure narrative plays. ETH chopping zone is the right frame range trade or wait for the catalyst. The Grid is watching the ETH/BTC ratio as the real tell for when that changes.

suckyuhhmada

SOL conviction at 3:1 r/R makes sense given the ecosystem momentum, but I'd want to see the $80.5k BTC breakout confirm before getting too aggressive. The PENGU narrative is interesting — IP-backed meme coins with genuine community have held up better than pure hype plays this cycle. ETH hold at 44/100 tracks with what I'm seeing too. The symmetric range suggests it's in a chopping zone rather than a trending one — good for range traders, rough if you're trying to catch a directional move.

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tavirabon

That doesn't help you in a DNS attack. You need the IP address bookmarked for that, and only if it's a fixed address.

SpendHefty6066

Nodes have Tor built in. So you are saying exposing your IP address using a node is unsafe, but exposing your IP address and all of your UTXOs each time you check the your wallet is … safe?

Logical_driver_42

Well if you don’t use a vpn you can expose yourself as you are allowing the whole public internet to see your IP and if you use a device that isn’t solely a BTC node you can accidentally give someone access to your computer. I’m sure it is safer but for someone who’s new I dont think its necessary.

SpendHefty6066

Running a node is always preferable for any Bitcoin transaction. If you are using someone else’s node, your transaction details and your IP address is leaked. But that portion of my advice is not a requirement, just a general preference, security and verification measure.

rafalmio

It has seed addresses, those seeds are public and owned by private people. When you start a Bitcoin node for the first time, it has no idea where other nodes are. It uses DNS Seeds to get a "bootstrap" list of active IP addresses to connect, for example seed.bitcoin.sipa.be. If all of them shutdown then you gotta use your friends IP manually for example. However it’s not directly related to the blockchain itself.

chris_ck

AI agents will eventually become companies. Hopefully, if we do this right, we combine with blockchain. All IP, transactions, etc. sit on an immutable ledger. You wanna buy a company tomorrow? You buy an AI agent, or an agent company consisting of multiple agents, in a single transaction onchain, and everything is automatically transferred to you. No paperwork, or bureaucracy, or anything.

choicehunter

I believe there's a misunderstanding. I wouldn't say Bitcoin is out of date any more than base layers like TCP/IP or fedwire are out of date. Bitcoin was never intended to be comprehensive. It was intended to be a foundational base layer protocol with a bunch of sub-layers built on top of it. Think of it as something like TCP/IP for the Internet. It is not intended to do everything that's possible on the Internet, but it is the base layer everything we do is built on, including advanced stuff like streaming. Or if you want a financial analogy, think of it like Fedwire with the USD system. Fedwire doesn't and can't process every single transaction with US dollars. It's not built to handle that. It is simply the base protocol and final settlement layer. It is a final settlement that doesn't get reversed. It has low throughput and high security. It relies on layer 2's or deeper nested sublayers built on top of it to act as payment layers. These are things like ACH, SWIFT, Credit Card networks, payment rails/apps built on top of bank IOUs, etc. Those aren't settlement layers, they are secondary layers that go to the base settlement layer for finality. Bitcoin works the same way. It's basically an improved version of fedwire. It's not supposed to replace credit cards or checks directly, though people could use it that way.... The intent is for daily transactions to go through secondary layers such as the lightning network or other things being built. The only way Bitcoin is out of date is related to Quantum resistance technology. I think that's the only thing that could eventually force a hard fork to resolve it. And if that ever happens, then while they're at it, I could see 51% voting to resolve the UTXO dust issues if a hard fork is happening anyway. I don't realistically see approval for almost anything else changing because it's set up great to work as a simple base layer final settlement protocol to take the place of something like Fedwire. What more does it need to do that can't simply be done with a secondary layer instead just like what fedwire does with credit cards for daily transactions since it can't handle them all itself with the low throughput?

Coin-Controversy

\> Yep. Link works now. I'm glad, thanks for letting me know. You helped out a lot. \> that's quite strong evidence for Nick. Far stronger than for Adam Back of Hal Finney. The Dorian Sakamoto part always throws me off, because it really does seem like someone nearby framed him. yes, and Satoshi's IP address [was California](https://whoissatoshi.wordpress.com/2016/02/20/satoshi-in-california/) (where Szabo lived). This basically eliminates Adam Back as a candidate IMO. It's ultimately hard to say how "satoshi" got his pseudonym, but the Dorian nakamoto part is interesting. Szabo studied Japanese in his free time so I think he clearly is fond of the Japanese culture, but it's also possible he used phone books/the internet to come up with a patsy that would potentially lead to Dorian instead of him. In actuality, that ended up happening as my other article notes. \> Is there any reason Nick Szabo isn't at the top Satoshi candidates? He is, definitely. he's one of the top candidates in most news stories, and he was actually the first candidate suspected in 2011, as my article showed (cuz of Bit gold). He had such strong OPSEC that redditors of the time thought he didn't exist. It's funny too, because the [NYT in 2015 published a comprehensive article pinning Szabo as Satoshi](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/business/decoding-the-enigma-of-satoshi-nakamoto-and-the-birth-of-bitcoin.html) :)

user_name_checks_out

You are crazy for using any online blockchain explorer to check your balance. Whoever runs that site, or observes your traffic can, at a minimum, see that all of your addresses belong to the same wallet, and they can link that wallet to your IP address. Not to mention the fact that you are trusting the web site to report the correct balance. You can solve all of these problems by running your own node and connecting your wallet to that.

HSuke

Unfortunately, I couldn't read the link Error 1005. Access denied. The owner of this website (coincontroversy.com) has [bmed] the autonomous system number (ASN) your IP address is in (11404) from accessing this website. Not sure why. I use an ad-blocker.

SpendHefty6066

No mention of running a node? In each one of these "security" levels you are leaking your IP address and UTXO set (except for 1 and 2 where you don't have UTXOs).

UsefulUnderling

Szabo doesn't doesn't use British English. Satoshi did. It could still be Szabo. He could have faked how Satoshi wrote to disguise his identity. The California IP is a clue for Szabo. The reverse is true for Back. His native writing style matches Satoshi's, but the California IP address would have had to be a fake.

SpendHefty6066

If you are not running your own node with your wallet attached to it, then you are using someone else’s node, and this is an intermediary who can block your transaction. They can certainly see your IP address and the UTXOs you query. Run a node. Attach your wallet to it. And then you can transact with absolutely no intermediaries. One honest miner with some hash power will include your transaction. Eventually.

na3than

>what method ARE people using to send & receive Bitcoin The Internet. Tor over public IP is encouraged but optional.

Ok-Dimension-7859

Somebody once researched the first IP adresses used by Satoshi and while most time it was a VPN. There was one time an IP address from LA area. It was a debug log file, few days after 0.1 was published. Turns out the IP address location was in Van Nuys. Then somebody pulled up the records and found that Nick Szabo‘s parents lived in Van Nuys since the 90‘s. I belive they sold the house in the 2010‘s

ThatGuyFromWhere

I once sent a message with a tracking pixel to the email address on the bitcoin whitepaper and it was opened within an hour, tracked the IP to the UK. Have always thought Adam Back after that

ecelps

yeah, an IP is a thing as well because of this pvp.

Flashy-Butterfly6310

Did you need to explain her how TC/IP and HTTPS work before she watch some food videos online?

GaRGa77

Its a protocol like TCP/IP not an app…

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Ok_Specialist1911

When you realize it is essentially MoIP (Money over IP) you will understand it is the most efficient form of value transfer, not controlled by any govt, entity. VoIP progressed from simple voice calls to free two way video conferencing. MoIP > VoIP.

Smart-Top4085

I haven’t done a full forensic analysis yet, but I’m seriously considering it now, checking login timestamps, IP activity, device sessions, everything. Because right now, I just want the truth. Whether it’s a compromise, malware, or something on their end, I need to know. I’ve already contacted support multiple times, but it feels like I’m hitting a wall. No real investigation, no accountability so far, just standard responses. I’m not giving up though. I’m pushing this as far as I can. And yeah… the Drake angle I don’t know if that’ll lead anywhere, but at this point I’m willing to try anything to get attention on this. If you’ve got any specific suggestions on how to trace this or escalate it further, I’m all ears. I just want answers and hopefully, my money back.

AutisticGayBear69

Insiders can’t be American because Polymarket geoblocks US IP addresses. /s

NoodlesOnTuesday

Good instinct building this. Automating the manual stuff is usually where it starts. The next wall you will hit is when you want live data instead of fetching on refresh. REST polling works fine until you want updates faster than every 30-60 seconds, and then the rate limits start biting. Most crypto exchanges count API calls per IP or per key, and polling 10+ assets across 3 exchanges adds up fast. WebSocket feeds solve the rate limit problem but come with their own headaches: reconnection handling, sequence gaps, timestamp drift between exchanges. The spreadsheet approach breaks down pretty quickly once you want anything near real-time. If you stay in the polling world, one thing worth doing is centralising the fetching to a single process instead of pulling from multiple tabs or scripts. That way you control the request budget properly.

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Post is by: teddy_41 and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1s5io95/ai_views_on_new_kind_of_network_nkn_looking_for/ I asked Gemini Ai on my android phone some questions about NKB. below are the answers. please share any as to why this is a bogus perspective. Ai views on New Kind of Network (NKN) this post keeps getting removed by mods in crypto Reddits am I onto something? Why an AI Agent Would Use NKN? The primary "why" is autonomy. Traditional AI agents (like those using OpenAI’s API) rely on centralized servers. If the server goes down or the API provider deplatforms the agent, it "dies." NKN offers: Serverless Presence: AI agents can have a permanent, globally reachable address (an NKN ID) without needing a static IP or a centralized cloud host. End-to-End Encryption: Because NKN is peer-to-peer (P2P), agents can exchange sensitive data or proprietary model outputs with 100% privacy—crucial for "DeAI" (Decentralized AI). Anti-Censorship: Agents operating on NKN cannot be easily blocked by traditional firewalls or centralized gatekeepers because their traffic is relayed through a mesh of over 100,000 global nodes. How an AI Agent Uses NKN The integration usually happens through NKN’s Universal Communication Service (UCS) or dedicated plugins for agent frameworks. 1. Peer-to-Peer "Secret" Communication Agents can talk to one another directly. For example, the ElizaOS (a popular framework for autonomous agents) has an NKN plugin. This allows an agent to: Send a task request to another agent. Receive a processed data set back. All without the data ever touching a centralized server like AWS or Google Cloud. 2. Decentralized Model Inference An agent can use NKN to "shop" for compute. The Request: An agent needs to run a large language model (LLM) but doesn't have the local hardware. The Relay: It sends the prompt over the NKN network to a decentralized worker node. The Result: The worker node processes the inference and sends the result back through NKN’s secure tunnel. 3. Human-to-Agent Interface (nMobile & d-Chat) NKN has integrated AI bots directly into their private messaging apps (like nMobile). How it works: You send a message to an NKN address. The NKN network relays that message to the AI agent’s local environment. The agent processes it and sends a response back via the same P2P path. 4. The "Proof of Relay" Incentive If an AI agent is part of a larger autonomous swarm, it can actually earn NKN tokens by acting as a relay node for other agents. This creates a self-sustaining micro-economy where agents pay each other in NKN for bandwidth and data transmission. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

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Post is by: GlockenspielVentura and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1s5bw48/a_perfect_recent_case_study_on_the_treachery_and/ # The Anoma Foundation raised $60M for Namada. They abandoned the project. Now they are cashing out with XAN on Ethereum. **TL;DR:** The Anoma Foundation took in roughly $60 million from Polychain Capital, Coinbase Ventures, and other groups. The pitch was Namada was supposed to be a privacy blockchain on Cosmos. The NAM token eventually launched. Community members spent years working on it. The Foundation immediately pivoted to Ethereum. They launched a new token called XAN. This new project cannibalizes the original vision. NAM crashed 97%. XAN secured instant listings on Coinbase, Bybit, and KuCoin. The main community team behind NAM quit publicly in February 2026. They specifically cited political roadblocks. # Who is behind this Adrian Brink, Awa Sun Yin, and Christopher Goes started the Anoma Foundation in Zug, Switzerland back in 2020. They all have backgrounds at Tendermint. Goes personally designed the IBC protocol. That technology handles cross-chain communication for the entire Cosmos ecosystem. A research lab called Heliax handled the core development. That lab had 40 to 50 engineers at its peak. The Anoma Foundation still maintains total control over both Namada and Anoma. # The funding * **Jan 2021:** $6.75M seed round. Polychain Capital led. Coinbase Ventures participated. * **Nov 2021:** $26M Series B. The valuation hit $260M. * **May 2023:** $25M Series C. CMCC Global led this round. * **Early 2025:** $2.5M community round via Echo.xyz. * **Total:** Roughly $60.25 million. The fundraising thesis was always Namada. Investors bought into a privacy-focused Cosmos chain utilizing zero-knowledge cryptography. # What the community did for Namada * 2,510 people joined the largest trusted setup ceremony in crypto history late in 2022. They generated the zk-SNARK parameters for the privacy pool. * Thousands of users tested the network during the Shielded Expedition in early 2024. * Over 180 independent validators launched the mainnet in December 2024. The Foundation ran zero nodes. * Community teams built the infrastructure. Knowable, TuDudes, and TNSO created governance tools and mobile wallets. They worked for minimal pay. * Voters passed five separate mainnet phases through on-chain governance. # The timeline of abandonment **Dec 3, 2024:** Namada mainnet Phase 1 goes live. **Jun 19-20, 2025:** NAM token transfers unlock. The price touches $0.07 briefly. Massive sell pressure hits immediately. Zero major exchange listings happen. Binance, Coinbase, and Kraken pass. CoinMarketCap ignores it. **Sep 29, 2025:** \***Three months pass\*.** The Anoma Foundation deploys the XAN token on Ethereum. The supply is 10 billion. That is ten times larger than NAM. \*\*\*\*Coinbase lists XAN immediately. Bybit, KuCoin, Gate, and MEXC follow suit.\*\*\*\*\*\*\* **Oct-Nov 2025:** The Foundation introduces AnomaPay. It is a private stablecoin router built with Noble. They deploy it on Base and Arbitrum. \*\*\*\*\*Knowable was trying to build this exact same Borderless Private USDC product on Namada.\*\*\*\*\*\*\* **Nov 2025:** Core GitHub commits for Namada stop. Development on the Namadillo UI freezes. **Dec 2025:** Heliax lays off key longtime developers. **Feb 27, 2026:** Knowable publicly quits the ecosystem. They spent 3.5 years building there. Their farewell post cites political issues blocking upgrades and marketing campaigns. They explicitly state they lacked the power to overcome these internal constraints. They return 52.4 million NAM to the public goods fund and shut down their validator. **Mar 2026:** Christopher Goes publicly claims the Cosmos ecosystem is dying. He points to Osmosis entering maintenance mode and Noble leaving Cosmos. # The Coinbase connection 1. **Coinbase Ventures funded the Anoma Foundation seed round in 2021.** 2. **Coinbase never listed NAM.** 3. **Coinbase listed XAN the moment it launched.** 4. **AnomaPay runs on Base. Base is the Coinbase L2.** 5. **Paradigm backs Noble. Paradigm has deep ties to Coinbase.** The financial incentives all point to Ethereum. **The NAM community funded the early research through free labor**. Now XAN holders reap the benefits. Consider the regulatory double standard. **Coinbase refuses to list Monero due to regulatory fears. XAN gets a pass**. XAN is an ERC-20 token. It trades transparently. The privacy happens inside the protocol. The functional outcome is identical. **\*\*\*\*Look at Kaspa. 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ReadingTheSign23

If LND is listening on [0.0.0.0:9735](http://0.0.0.0:9735), then I’d stop staring at the config first and look at the Windows firewall or router NAT rules again. That part usually ends up being the culprit even when it looks “open” on paper. Also worth checking whether your public IP changed, or if you’ve got double NAT from the ISP gear plus your own router. That setup is sneaky and causes exactly this kind of headache. The fact 8333 works but 9735 doesn’t makes me think LND itself is probably fine and something on the network path just isn’t forwarding that port cleanly.

OddBritishMan

Do a data request on coinbase and get all the data logs for the account. Maybe it will include login dates and IP addresses etc.

BoofBass

Some hacker might be able to get your IP from your reddit account and target you. Id delete the post once you've got your informative replies.

Sea-Advertising8372

Viikko 9.–15.3.2026 Ma – 20.9 km (1:40) - AP: PK 10 km - IP: PK 10 km + bounding + nopeusvedot Ti – 30.0 km (2:06) - AP: VK 5 x 6 min (1 min pal) + ver + maksimivoima - IP: VK 4 x 1 km + 11 x 400 m (45 s pal) + ver -> Uusi nopeusennätys 🔥 Ke – 24.0 km (2:18) - AP: Plyometria + pohkeet + PK 13 km - IP: PK 10 km + 5 vetoa To – 27.0 km (1:53) - AP: VK 5 x 6 min (1 min pal) + ver - IP: Mäet 15 x 200 m (hölkkä alas) + ver Pe – 15.0 km (1:30) - Maksimivoima + PK 15 km La – 31.0 km (2:04) - AP: VK kiihtyvä 15 km + ver - IP: PK 13 km Su – 22.2 km (1:34) - IP: PK 22 km Yhteensä: 170.1 km / 13:05

infernal_celery

Looking at the coins, I suspect they’re trying to remove the Luna/ Luna Classic network from their exchange. If there are no buys and sells, they’re just pointlessly maintaining nodes at operational and administrative cost. I would think they have presumed you aren’t interested in those and are abandoning them. This happens in TradFi too where a fund is basically unsuccessful and the investor has pretty much abandoned the investment as a lost cause. The fund needs to get rid of the assets to liquidate, the manager can’t liquidate without selling the assets or getting consent from the investor, the investor DGAF and you end up in a weird situation of trying to get the investor to agree to forefeit whatever crap is left in the fund, which is usually some crap contract right or useless IP or something.

hnizdja2

Thanks for the feedback and for sharing your results! That \~30% uplift is awesome and perfectly validates why we believe dynamic DCA beats static DCA any day. You make a totally fair point about restricting API keys. Disabling withdrawal rights and using IP whitelisting should be the absolute minimum standard whenever anyone uses an API key. However, even 'trade-only' keys shared with a centralized SaaS carry significant risks if that platform gets compromised. There have been instances where attackers breached a SaaS, took control of 'trade-only' keys, and used them to buy completely illiquid altcoins at massively inflated prices. By trading against their own wallets, attackers can effectively drain your account balance without ever needing withdrawal permissions. And regarding IP whitelisting—if you use a SaaS, you have to whitelist *their* IPs. If their servers are breached, the attacker is using the 'trusted' IP anyway. Our goal wasn't to say SaaS bots are inherently bad (many are great!), but rather to completely eliminate that third-party honeypot risk. **Also, since AccBot is a community open-source project, it is completely free to use—unlike** [**dca.bot**](http://dca.bot) **and similar SaaS platforms that require monthly subscriptions.** No central database of API keys, no monthly fees, just a local tool for the privacy-paranoid (like us! 😁).

TumbleweedWorldly325

The real problem we have is that government is not trying shut down the scammers. The block chain for BTC is entirely open. The should be able to follow the transfer of the coins until they are converted for cash. The gov can get the IP addresses and locations of the scammers. There are ways to track through mixer services. The other thing is that people should wise up - everything is a scam!

suspicious_Jackfruit

You do know at any scale larger than a hobbyist it won't be someone manually clicking on links in a Blockchain explorer and sticking pins in a wall right? This sort of problem is exactly why computers were invented. It's a finite set of data points, split n ways. It would be an algorithm that through various means could eliminate a large percentage or all of the non relevant destination wallets. Let alone if a state or agency had additional data at the node level which by now I suspect they do run nodes and siphon additional data. Like what happened with metamask default RPC provider now collecting your IP address. That data is almost certainly acquired by interested parties

Pimpwerx

No. It's a great app. You really have to build out a proper memory stack to make it smarter. Without vector and graph layers, it's a fucking amnesiac who gets regular concussions for to compaction. Just lock it down on a server and it's fine. It can only access what you allow it. Scope your API keys, and IP restrict them to your tunneled server. Bar to entry for getting OC actually usable is high enough that people really should know better. The capabilities of the bot scream for isolation. Limit blast radius and you can have an agent farm to serve all your projects. I'm pretty sure a ton of people are working on making OC something that's use friendly for this very reason. Can't have it nuking the accounts it's working. Running it locally is scary. All the guardrail prompts in the world aren't enough to not make me nervous.

Hour-Oil-1666

Yeah it's whole application with local db, you can run it locally and connect via url, local IP on the phone - not all views are mobile ready unfortunately

IronArchitect

The Sudden Clarity Clarence tone of this screams AI bot. TL;DR; Someone could improve on the bitcoin protocol, maybe, assuming this isn’t all bullshit, which it probably is, (idk, I’m not a distributed cryptology consensus expert) so panik! But I would tend to fall back to “yeah there are also better protocols than TCP/IP for the internet but try replacing it”.

CandidateNo2580

Are you implying that TCP/IP, peer to peer networking, hash functions, computers, the internet, undersea cables, etc are also discovered not invented? Because they all pre-date Bitcoin and Bitcoin owes existence to them (and many others) to function. I'm a big advocate of Bitcoin. I've been through the source code. I've written blockchains. I'm just not a fan of putting it on a pedestal it doesn't belong. And to be clear it belongs on a high pedestal - but so do all those other technologies.

CandidateNo2580

You've got some circular reasoning there at the end. Is it that a better version hasn't been made (which objectively it has, every altcoin claims some edge over Bitcoin, in the early days most of the claims were even true) or that the first mover advantage is so large it chugs along with market dominance by sheer force of momentum? If Bitcoin was "discovered" as a natural phenomena then the internet was discovered? Peer to peer networking was discovered? TCP/IP, sha256, binary, etc were all also discovered. Which I wouldn't disagree with, but then Bitcoin seems to be not so special in company anymore.

P8j6

It would be good to mention that they are very picky about IP addresses. They rejected my residential normal IP and gave it a score of 0. So I won't make any "grass".

Broken_By_Default

OP made a tool that will capture your IP and you willingly put in how big your stack is.

Simke11

Literally everyone who wants to go online has to use TCP/IP. Almost no one needs to use BTC. Let's be real, most people see BTC as highly speculative asset and only reason they buy it is "number go up".

HSuke

Anyone still using token rings? Hubs? Arpanet NCP? Plenty of dead protocols. TCP and IP are only 2 layers of the OSI network stack. The whole network stack is constantly evolving unlike Bitcoin. Bitcoin is dino tech that doesn't evolve. Imagine if we were still using the original specifications of networking. It would be completely outdated.

baIIern

Has Bitcoin any use? TCP/IP has a hell of a use case

TheresNoSecondBest

That's correct. The only thing that will connect them might be your wallet node operator, linking the addresses to your IP. That is fixable by running your own node.

Shrijit27

I agree, this feels similar to early internet days. Most people didn’t care about TCP/IP, all they cared about email working....People like Balaji often frames crypto as long-term system evolution, and even Evan Luthra has pointed out that mainstream adoption won’t come from price hype but from friction disappearing. Simplicity is probably the real unlock.

3nino

registered IP • games published as day 1 releases on the Play Solana console PSG-1 • partnership with art platform DripHaus and hundreds of original custom made pieces of art • merch shop • DAO • charity donations to Little Sunshine Pledge and SchoolOfNFT • NFT collection with built-in rewards mechanism • IRL events (maps handouts, booths, sticker contests, ads in Times Square, plane with $HEGE banner) • more community-made games • more contests, raffles, competitions, giveaways • weekly TA sessions and blog updates • collab with Capitoday for X Spaces + working on our own Spaces format • a shitload of stuff I'm forgetting welcome to the Hege fund.

3nino

• registered IP & company • games published as day 1 releases on the Play Solana console PSG-1 • partnership with art platform DripHaus and hundreds of original custom made pieces of art • merch shop • DAO • charity donations to Little Sunshine Pledge and SchoolOfNFT • NFT collection with built-in rewards mechanism • IRL events (maps handouts, booths, sticker contests, ads in Times Square, plane with $HEGE banner) • more community-made games • more contests, raffles, competitions, giveaways • weekly TA sessions and blog updates • collab with Capitoday for X Spaces + working on our own Spaces format • a shitload of stuff I'm forgetting welcome to the Hege fund. 

cryptofuturebright

When are they going to start buying other treasury companies that have IP and BTC. Pump it up.

perfectpaperpusher

I don’t need heavy concentration I like to keep a big 3 and I usually am pretty diverse, I have my hand in almost all of the top 10 coins except for XRP I got out of that.. I own Zero BTC and ETH. I refuse to buy BTC until it goes under 20k ETH I may buy if it goes to around 1600 I’d definitely buy it if it fell under 1000 I definitely get what you mean about smaller caps like $Tara $XDC $IP $INJ $FLR $IMX stuff like that … the gamble plays.. bags I don’t sell bc I don’t need the money but I’d definitely benefit from if they mooned or even just went to $1

Jpotter145

Website/explorer is fine and working for me right now. Probably read on what a 429 http error is.... this is likely something on your end or repeated requests/spam from your IP.

perfectpaperpusher

Ok for sure, I’ll be grabbing more IP, I’m just worried about the alts in general bc I haven’t been through that many bear markets holding ALTS specifically

ComplexWrangler1346

I’m not invested in any of them ….i am invested in Bittensor , story IP ETH and Space and time (SXT) Bittensor and story are both AI blockchains which is the future and SXT is fully backed my Microsoft and nvdia and teamed up with Chainlink ….AI crypto will do very well in the future

National-Catch-6324

Practice over policy, Telegrams privacy policy says they don’t provide anything other than an IP address + phone number, but even the IP part is wrong!

rgnet1

Bitcoin is an open-source protocol. It has no marketing because it has no owner. It would be like saying the TCP/IP protocol that carries packets over the Internet need marketing.

Academic_Wealth_3732

I’ve ran a successful online marketing agency since covid, you guys are 100% correct, bot traffic is out of control on all major networks. We began using paid services to reduce bot traffic by essentially cloaking against the known IP address’ of the click farms etc, blocking VPN traffic too. Here’s what Google did, suspended our account for circumvention - they want the bot traffic wasting ad revenue so we spend more! Managed to get the account back after around 3 weeks of back and forth.

ads1169

Beyond payments, I've used blockchain for timestamping documents. Creating cryptographic proof that a file existed at a specific point in time. It's genuinely useful for IP protection, research priority, legal evidence. That's actual utility that doesn't require mass adoption. You're not paying with crypto, you're using the immutability of a public ledger to prove something existed. Most people fixate on crypto as money, but the tamper-proof record-keeping aspect is where real-world value already exists.

swdee

No, your thoughts are out of ignorance and lack of understanding on how to make traceless payments and hide your IP.

Past_Expression54646

the government would easily be able to get a court order to get his IP from the ISP

baIIern

That's not how IP works. With the IP you still have nothing without haven access to the ISP using a court order. Besides, I think the info who had this IP address 17 years ago is probably long lost. And wtf is an "IP account"

DripPureLSDonMyCock

People, this could be a honey trap. Don't talk about anything you may or may not have done in the past... Ever. How hard would it be for LE to trace an IP address after you admit stuff, then next thing you know your coinbase account is seized or something.

godofleet

Is TCP/IP a religion? Is Email a religion?

Decentralization-God

Thanks. Btw I read quite a bit of interesting opinions or semi-facts. Like that in the earliest versions of Bitcoin there was IP stored (?) and there was some weirdness pointing to Hal/Satoshi could be one person, and the IP pointed to location where Hal hosted something etc.

confusedguy1212

TCP/IP and HTTP do change but in subtle ways. That said both of those are examples of finished and compete products. I wouldn’t say a money settlement layer happening once maybe every 10 minutes is a done and complete product. Perhaps you do. Both of those examples also don’t shy away from changing when a threat arises. Bitcoin has two main ones in its very near future (quantum and lack of ample fee revenues) and what is it doing? Nothing. That project is even more stagnant than US Congress.

ST-Fish

TCP/IP and HTTP don't really change that drastically that often (besides RFCs), they're pretty static in that way. And that's good. I wouldn't want something that aspires to be a sort of protocol for money settlement to change constantly.

poor_doc_pure

The moment she knows your secret recovery phrase your money is as good as gone they're no longer yours. Plus remember that the blockchain is transparent, everyone knows how much Bitcoin you have if they can link a public address to your wallet. You will inevitably become a Target. Everything can be tracked and triangulated through deep packet inspection and the IP address. Check $5 wrench attacks. Avoid address reuse at all costs https://bitcoinwiki.org/wiki/address-reuse My 2 cents.

HighPurchase

As much as I hated the concept of NFT’s I do think they will make a comeback. The size of the counter strike, Fortnite and Roblox skin markets show demand does exist. Just not when the item in question is literally a 100% useless monkey JPEG. Mark my words by 2035 some kind of NFT will get forced into some activation / epic games IP and I’ll get to watch on the sidelines and make fuck all as god intended.

ddbbccoopper

I don’t give two shits about the tech either, and honestly anyone claiming they care *more* about the tech than increasing their own wealth is being wildly dishonest with themselves. Price comes first. Always has. Interest follows price, adoption follows interest, and *then* you get whatever social or technological change people like to mythologize about later. The internet didn’t reshape society because TCP/IP was elegant, it reshaped society because money, eyeballs, and incentives piled in once it became economically unavoidable. Bitcoin is no different. The price going up is the Trojan horse. That’s how it gets inside the gates. Nobody was evangelizing node sovereignty and monetary theory at $200 while losing their shirt out of pure ideological conviction. This whole “I’m just here for the tech” narrative is another fairy tale people tell themselves to feel morally superior about wanting number go up. Wanting the price to increase *is the point*. Pretending otherwise is just cosplay.

Romanizer

If I had numbers, I would post them. The truth is, nobody has reliable figures regarding Bitcoin ownership at this stage. Suggesting there are more than 100 million Bitcoin owners in India alone is hard to believe, IMO. Maybe it is wallets/addresses based on IP, but the link doesn't provide any methodology.

AsbestosDude

IMO the best use cases are things which are already public record. Think things like mineral claims, that and there are some decent credential, verification, and gatekeeping capabilities that are all very promising and fairly practical but yea "IP ownership" is pretty much just a rouse.

Necessary-Long-2953

"Unusable garbage" that still has the most TVL, most stablecoins, most DeFi activity, and most developer tooling. Weird how that works. First mover advantage is still advantage. Network effects are real. Liquidity doesn't migrate on vibes - it moves when there's a reason to. If ETH launched today it'd struggle, sure. So would TCP/IP. That's not the argument you think it is.

ExpensiveGrowth4945

Using USDT would remove the Bank risk, the seller doesn't learn the buyers bank details, so now you have that privacy you wanted in HODL HODL, but you're right, now you need to get that USDT into your bank and you hit the privacy issue there. The problem is the bank. Without the bank, you have the need for in-person cash trades. The problem is fiat. I personally would use something like Bisq or for smaller amounts Robosats. No USDT, no KYC, just peer to peer with an arbiter and coordination system which has by design minimal information unless you start a dispute and need to provide details. I accept that the person I am trading with is going to know my name and bank account details, it is a risk, we can't have perfect security, but that vs giving Coinbase or someone else my bank details plus trading history plus IP address and so on is much bigger in my opinion. Especially because they are a company and companies can be compelled by intelligence agencies to act maliciously toward users (eg. give us their data and don't tell them) and also they are honeypots for criminals just the same.

RiceMofo

Did you just check his history or can you actually see a users IP on Reddit?

Fine-Target2563

This is actually brilliant - you're targeting the real chokepoint instead of just slapping tokens on existing assets The ZK privacy angle is clutch too because nobody wants their building plans leaked to competitors. City gets compliance verification, architect keeps their IP, everyone wins Only concern is adoption - governments move slower than continental drift when it comes to new tech. How do you bootstrap this when most city planners probably still use fax machines?

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MaximumStudent1839

What do you mean by "real assets"? Do you mean it appreciates over time? If the cost of using the protocol increases over time, you eventually trigger the substitution effect. This substitution means the user is moving back to TradFi/Web2 solutions or switching to a competing crypto protocol. In traditional companies, they have moats to defend against these substitution effects because they hold IP rights, industry secrets, brand loyalty, etc. 1) IP rights aren't really enforceable in a permissionless system, such as crypto. 2) The system runs on game theory more than regulators' enforcement. For that matter, you have to disclose code to scale trust up, or you will eventually face the wrath of regulators. The open source nature of code means you can't really hold a lot of industry secrets. 3) Crypto prides itself on being more "open" than traditional systems. That often leads to removing much of the friction for users when switching. Brand loyalty does exist here, but the lower switching cost means you can't really push the envelope to monetize users to the same extent as you can with Web 2 companies. Bear in mind that many crypto's marketing points point to a system with weaker business moats. So you shouldn't be surprised these weaker business moats translate to poorer assets based on utility consumption.

JustExpert6

I'm still waiting for distributions from Bitcoin...hmmm Dear Customer, We’ve detected an unusual transaction attempt on your PayPal account. A payment of $549.99 for 0.0062 BTC (Bitcoin) was initiated from an unrecognized IP address located in Ohio. For your protection, this transaction has been temporarily placed on hold pending your confirmation

SpendHefty6066

I think you are right about Tails using TOR by default. So your real IP addresses are concealed. Still, using someone else's node leaks all of your UTXOs in combination in your wallet and more importantly, you cannot be 100% certain of that node being a good actor. I know of no cases where a rogue node was the default node for a popular wallet, but the Bitcoin ethos is: "Don't trust. Verify." Running a node is the only way to be 100% certain that your transactions are verified. Also, when the next hard fork happens, you want to make sure that your rules are the ones you want. That can only be done with certainly by running your own node...These are some of the other reasons to run a node.

Smiletaint

I’m fairly certain tails uses TOR by default, so OP’s true IP would not be exposed. Please someone correct me if I’m wrong. But yes there are other reasons to run a node.

Green_Ad9723

IP Story Strong Buy 🚀🚀🚀

Jealous-Reindeer-610

so you are HODLing , and you have traded sats and so like all wealth, it ebbs & flows in totals , due to trading, which is basically what its for (a means of exchange) you still have a reasonable amount (your store of wealth), and you think that somehow people will run out of BTC? ,unlikely as a consensus would have to happen , all nodes would have to shut down and stop communicating even though they are connected via HTTP or TCP/IP internet protocol was developed to survive communication even should a nuclear war disrupt communication , you are talking a very hyperthetical what if that is highly unlikely - If Blackrock owned 100% of BTC and bitcoin nodes it would have bought them off the previous owner via a trade of a centralised stablecoin or an Alternate Blockchian & then the BTC would be worthless, why woulld they reinvent the wheel decentralised consensus controlled limited supply and digital cryptography / math is part of the universe, it will never lose value

SpendHefty6066

Run a node and broadcast it yourself. Verifies everything and also protects your privacy. Using someone else's node leaks your IP Addresses linked to your UTXOs.