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Euphoric-Pop9717

This is one of the most common comparisons… and it sounds logical until you think about it. MySpace and Yahoo were companies with CEOs, advertising models, and central control. They could be out-innovated, mismanaged, or replaced. Bitcoin is not a company. Bitcoin is a protocol — like TCP/IP, HTTP, or email. You don’t ask “What if TCP/IP gets replaced by something better?” Because once a decentralized, battle-tested protocol becomes the global standard with trillions in value secured by the largest computing network on Earth, the bar to replace it is insanely high. As an example Bitcoin already survived: 1. Multiple 80-85% crashes 2. China banning mining twice 3. Every major government FUD 4. 17 years of attacks No other crypto even comes close in security, decentralization, or adoption. You wanna talk about scaling? Lightning Network already handles millions of transactions per day cheaply. Layers and sidechains are growing fast. The real question isn’t “What if Bitcoin becomes MySpace?” It’s “What if Bitcoin is actually the internet of money?” Most people who say “it could be replaced” haven’t realized we’re still in the 1995 dial-up phase. Lastly I’m not sure how to appreciate this question. Comparing Bitcoin to MySpace or Yahoo is the classic line you see from people who haven’t actually spent any real time understanding what Bitcoin is. So let me ask you straight: are you being genuine with this concern, or is this just another copy-paste FUD? If you’re actually serious, why haven’t you spent any time reading about what Bitcoin really is? There’s an absolute mountain of information available from books, articles, videos, the whitepaper — all free. Don’t just look at the negative sides. Look at the positive sides too, compare both, and then go study the history of currencies and economies across the world. Once you do that, you’ll see why this comparison doesn’t hold up at all.

Ughnotagaingal

Indeed it is, and that is only real estate market. Then you have stock markets, private companies, IP’s, stock of jewelry, artifacts, … you name it. Note that when Bitcoin reaches $1M chances are real estate market will reach $400T maybe $450T, as other asset classes will too (stocks will rise much faster probably). All in all we are talking about 10-15 year down the road $21T is not as insane as we think it is today.

coindigest

Smart post, but I think the worry rests on one assumption worth questioning: that Bitcoin needs the masses to actually understand it to succeed. I don't think it does, and history kind of backs that up. Almost nobody understands how TCP/IP routes their packets, how the power grid stays balanced, or how their own bank conjures money through fractional reserve lending. They use all of it every single day without a clue how it works. Adoption runs on abstraction, not comprehension. People use the product, not the protocol. Most Bitcoiners not being able to explain a Merkle tree threatens the network about as much as most drivers not understanding combustion threatens cars. That said, there's a real version of your worry hiding in there, it's just attached to the wrong thing. A population that doesn't understand Bitcoin isn't dangerous because they can't do the maths, it's dangerous because they're easier to scare out at the bottom and easier to scam. But notice that's "understand enough to not panic sell and not get rugged," which is a totally different and much lower bar than "understand the cryptography." That bar is reachable. On the bell curve: I'd gently push that understanding Bitcoin isn't really an intelligence axis at all. Plenty of genuinely brilliant people glance at it and dismiss it without ever engaging, and plenty of average folks instantly get "money the government can't print away" the moment they've watched their savings lose value. It's more about exposure and incentive than IQ. So "which side of the bell curve" might just be the wrong axis to measure on. So I wouldn't lose sleep over the HODL meme crowd. The network's security comes from the protocol and the miners, not from how well users grasp it. The thing actually worth wanting isn't everyone understanding elliptic curves, it's enough people understanding the value prop to hold through the rough cycles. And that part does seem to be slowly happening.

Educational_Cable405

A lot of it is just entity splitting. The game studio is one company, often a clean US or EU LLC, and the token gets issued by a totally separate foundation in Cayman or BVI that on paper has no owner. That structure is the whole point: it lets them argue the token isn't a security tied to the company that runs the game. Front end geoblocks by IP and connected wallet. So the 'company' you think is breaking the law usually isn't even the same legal entity that touches the token.

HouseGreear

Fuck IP. $RAGE FOREVER G3FoXHoQDuGkEG8ZqQd7riC9uB1N51bg7JuxJEPNpump

itssosalty

Good point and you can. To an extent. I looked up how crypto investigators search. For crypto specifically, investigators and tax authorities rarely build cases around MAC addresses. Much more commonly they rely on: * Exchange KYC records * Bank transfers * Blockchain analysis * IP logs * Email accounts * Device/browser fingerprints * Seized devices and account records

norfbayboy

Which means the MAC address logged by big wallets is, by itself, not enough to determine your geographical location, and hence legal jurisdiction at any given time. For that you'd need to cross reference IP adress logs and those can be spoofed with a VPN.

BuyComprehensive6366

Pretty cool idea, the lightning integration makes way more sense than waiting for weekly fiat payouts Been doing some side coding lately and would definitely try this out. The abuse protection catching that IP rotation attempt right away is solid - shows you thought about the attack vectors from day one One question though - how you handling the ad quality control? With such low barriers for advertisers (no KYC etc) seems like spam could become issue pretty quick The opensats donation split is nice touch btw

kirovreported

The lower the better for ВIP-110.

InsightKnite

I have a question for you. How can crypto be decentralized if the ledger is public? You are using the same TCP/IP system that DoD has had backdoored for over 50 years. Just because they let you play with toys does not mean you are decentralized. This is what YOU dont understand. 🤣

Educational_Cable405

Outbound and inbound are two different mechanisms. Your node dials out to 8 full peers plus 2 block-relay peers on its own, and that works behind any NAT because you initiated the connection. Inbound is a stranger dialing your IP on 8333, which needs listen=1, a port forward on the router, and an ISP that gives you a real public address instead of CGNAT. And even after all that it can sit at 0 for hours, because other nodes only learn you exist through addr gossip and they get around to trying new addresses slowly.

SherbetFluffy1867

Be aware exposing the port is helpful for IBD but it also be aware it shows you are running Bitcoin related software at your IP address (home).

Large-Cress900

It's not just "a couple of containers"; it's a fully hardened stack combining LND, Bitcoin Core, BOS, LiT, automated channel backup redundancy, and a private ZeroTier network for secure out-of-band management without public ports exposed. The point of the post is documenting the exact configuration files, which pre-packaged setups hide from the user. ​As for the Disaster Recovery (DR), the fact that I safely migrated the entire node, channels, and state to a new infrastructure without losing a single sat or forcing closes proves the DR plan was very much in place and worked perfectly. ​Lastly, calling Contabo (a provider active since 2003 with rigorous external audits) a "no-name cloud" just shows a lack of infrastructure awareness. A bare-metal VPS offers 99.9% uptime and a static IP, which eliminates the risks of home electricity or ISP drops causing sudden force-closes. ​If you have actual technical critiques on the lnd.conf or bitcoin.conf hardening, I'm happy to discuss them. Otherwise, have a great day.

Large-Cress900

That's a very solid point, and the "umbrella defense" is definitely a legitimate security model! Physical sovereignty is unmatched when running a node at home. ​However, moving to a VPS was a calculated trade-off for me after my home Raspberry Pi suffered an unexpected hardware failure. I preferred high uptime, a stable static IP, and avoiding force-closes over the risks of home internet or power outages. ​To mitigate the cloud risk, the VPS storage is fully encrypted, and I host with a provider that undergoes strict external security audits. Combined with tight SSH hardening, UFW, Fail2ban, and a private ZeroTier network for management, the attack surface is heavily minimized. ​Thanks for the heads up! I actually just published a dedicated post over at r/thelightningnetwork as well. See you there!

SpendHefty6066

Bitcoin Core developers control a codebase. Not "the" codebase. Knots came out as an alternative node deployment in response to some of the decisions the Core team was making. And there are other node software efforts running fully functional Bitcoin nodes. Node runners can choose to run Core and others can run Knots and as long as their concensus rules are aligned, they will validate txs and blocks equally supporting the Bitcoin network, and more importantly, validating their own transactions and securing their privacy - using someone else's node leaks all of your UTXOs in combination with your IP address. Competition among node server developers is very healthy. If one team "goes rogue" node runners will vote with their CPUs.

AvailableTie6834

dude vibe coded it all wrong lmao, he added a fetch to an api that requires an api key to auth. And there is no CORS policy too. To the OP, Binance API and or Coingecko are the best ones and actually free, just make sure your code uses the person IP to request prices instead of your server, and add caching that last at least 10 seconds to prevent ratelimits.

AdFast1121

NFTs have a genuine usecase in IP protection 

WVBitcoinBoy

I think you’re giving “brawn” too much credit and underestimating how often superior systems win through voluntary adoption rather than conquest. It’s true that empires have historically influenced which currencies became dominant. The Roman denarius, British pound, and U.S. dollar all benefited from state power. I don’t dispute that. What I dispute is the idea that force alone creates durable value. Nobody conquered the world into using the internet. Nobody forced TCP/IP to become the global networking standard. Nobody forced people to use email. Superior networks often win because they solve real problems better than the alternatives. The dollar isn’t valuable *only* because America has guns. It’s valuable because it has liquidity, deep markets, network effects, legal infrastructure, and widespread acceptance. Military power helped establish that position, but it doesn’t explain the entire phenomenon. Likewise, Bitcoin isn’t valuable because people arbitrarily decided to hallucinate together. It has specific monetary properties that people find useful: a fixed supply, global portability, resistance to censorship, resistance to debasement, and the ability to self-custody wealth without requiring permission from a bank or government. The question isn’t whether governments possess coercive power. Of course they do. The question is whether coercive power is sufficient to maintain monetary dominance indefinitely when a competing monetary network offers objectively different and, in some cases, superior properties. History suggests monetary systems fail all the time. The world’s reserve currency has changed repeatedly over centuries. There is nothing magical or permanent about the current arrangement. I’m also not arguing that Bitcoin is guaranteed to replace the dollar. It may not. The dollar may remain dominant for decades. Another state-backed currency could eventually challenge it. That’s entirely possible. What Bitcoin represents is something new: the first globally accessible monetary network that people can opt into without asking permission from any government, corporation, or bank. If it succeeds, it won’t be because Bitcoin had guns behind it. It will be because enough people voluntarily decided that the monetary properties were worth adopting. That’s the experiment we’re watching unfold in real time, and I think it’s far more interesting than simply reducing the entire history of money to “whoever has the biggest army wins.

counterboy12

Name one massive IP on this rugged shit chain… I’ll wait 😂😂😂

Miltank12345

"massive on-chain IP".... It's a graveyard over there. Development is harder and more complicated on a L2 than on a multi node L1

7862518362916371936

Comments like this really prove how some people are clueless about what they're talking about. Sony actually launched the mainnet in 2025 and are actively expanding it right now in 2026 as the foundation for their massive on-chain IP and entertainment strategy. Deutsche Bank isn't abandoning L2s, they are actively building their digital asset and custody infrastructure directly as an Ethereum Layer 2 using ZKsync's enterprise tech. Blackrock & stripe are also expanding into L2

TheresNoSecondBest

>Wouldn’t giving someone running a node a small fraction of profit per validation help with bitcoin adoption? Not really. You're already getting privacy and freedom with it. Running your node enhances your privacy in a similar way like running your own VPN. If you're using someone else's node, you have to trust the entity that they won't cheat and that they don't log your IP and your wallet addresses. Now, if you still want to earn some extra sats on your node, go a level up and route transactions on r/thelightningnetwork.

thms0

He used to be in relation with Hal Finney who died around the same time he disappeared, isn't it weird ? :) I'm pretty sure Hal Finney was Satoshi. I'm not sure why Bitcointalk forums, where both used to be active, never really told us if they connected from the same IP or not. They have a lot of information (their email, maybe their phone number, the IP used to log in, the timezone..)

ImThatChigga_

The topic in question is AI. Will these companies go bankrupt?, Highly unlikely, but a possibility. You're never too big to fail. History has shown this. The ai race like the dotcom race is who will take majority of the market share for each sector. IP, manufacturing, computing. If ai goes bust and there's no break throughs, the investment into these sectors will bleed. Money spent will generate no money in return, investors rotate money out to better investment. What do you think happens to their MC if happens? Profits decrease year over year. No one buying gpu specific for ai computing doesn't get bought. How can they profit year over year when ai has cause the Inflation of price of stock

SpendHefty6066

What happens if other Internet protocols fail? Like DNS or TCP/IP? Bad things happen is what.

DustBinLadein

This is such a sharp play. Highlighting everyday heroes is untapped emotional real estate. If executed right, this could dominate not just box office but cultural conversations. Massive IP potential here too. Kangana choosing this is a power move.

kers2000

You have to look up the Bitmex saga, the precedent was set. To make sure you are not serving US persons, you have to implement KYC. IP checks are not enough.  The network might be decentralized, but the official website is not. Is it an overreach? Yes, but it's the cost of doing business (eg getting listed on US exchanges, getting partners in the US, growing faster, ...).

alami9

“Frame is launching an L1 PQ chain”? Frame is a March press release, not a chain. The Crypto Company, an OTC microcap with a \~$8M market cap and a stock down 85% in six months, bought the IP and says it “intends to launch this year” on a $2M development budget. No mainnet, no track record, no audit. “Post-quantum security” is a single feature bullet with zero detail; they don’t even name an algorithm. QRL has been live and post-quantum for eight years, independently audited, with a public testnet you can use right now. One is a running network. The other is a press release.

mc_schmitt

Right now, Bitcoin and many others are only "classically resistant". The strength of that resistance is measured in bits of security. So the question to ask is "What does Bitcoin use for signatures and how many bits of security is it?" Answer to that is 128 bits, so it would take current computers 2^128 operations to break it. If there ends up being something that weakens it, it might only take 2^96 operations! (but this is unlikely at this point, for sure). Worth noting that 2^128 operations is a lot, more than all the computers on earth. This is all to say that Bitcoin secure, but it could also said to be resistant. Quantum computers allow a different class of problems to be solved, it's not 'classical, but better in every way' but more 'it can do some things better'. This class of problems is known as BQP. The question is similar though, to the researcher, "What signatures does this quantum resistant chain use and how many quantum bits of security is it?". A lot of the post-quantum schemes out there have already gone through peer-review from NIST, and have a rating. Painting with broad strokes but you want 128 bits or higher for both classical and post-quantum, ideally more to account for things potentially being weakened. This topic of resistance isn't too dissimilar to Ingress Protection (IP) ratings, which are for dust and water resistance, two different measurements. Resistant, not proof.

CryptoYuzu

A few clarifications on the architecture: * This is a web application, not a mobile wallet. There are no push notifications, background sync processes, or battery-life concerns. * All encryption and decryption operations occur client-side in the browser. The server stores only encrypted vault metadata and cannot access wallet descriptors, xpubs, balances, transaction history, labels, or inheritance configuration. * When wallet data needs to be displayed, the browser derives the relevant addresses locally and sends those addresses to our Bitcoin infrastructure through a blind proxy. The proxy exists solely to prevent direct association between a user's account and the blockchain queries being performed. * We do not rely on server-side indexing of wallet contents because we do not possess the data required to perform that indexing. This is a deliberate privacy tradeoff. Users retain control of their wallet metadata rather than entrusting it to a provider. * Regarding network privacy, I agree that encryption alone does not solve every privacy concern. Blockchain surveillance, IP correlation, timing analysis, and UTXO clustering are real challenges across the entire Bitcoin ecosystem. Our goal is not to claim perfect anonymity, but rather to eliminate an entire class of risks by ensuring the service itself cannot inspect, monetize, leak, or be compelled to disclose sensitive wallet data it never possesses in the first place. * That's not quite how our architecture works. Policy rules, labels, "inheritance" settings, and other vault metadata are encrypted using the user's encryption key. In addition, policy-related data is wrapped in an encrypted envelope using a key that exists only within our AWS Nitro Enclave environment. This means users are not required to manage or distribute a separate metadata decryption key out-of-band to synchronize wallet state. When a policy needs to be evaluated, the encrypted data is processed inside the Nitro Enclave by the Policy Engine, which can evaluate rules and authorize signing operations without exposing the underlying sensitive information to the application servers or operators. The result is that policy enforcement can occur while preserving the confidentiality of wallet descriptors, keys, balances, transaction history, and the encrypted policy data itself. The distinction is that most vault providers can see your vault configuration and often your balances. Our design intentionally prevents us from having that visibility.

SherbetFluffy1867

Ok. Learning some stuff here. That's a good thing. So going through it with AI to understand the ramifications and realities it seems you are attempting to basically create a cross between Sparrow Wallet and Nunchuk. Seems to be limitations to that idea. Specifically: Because the server only sees ciphertext, it cannot monitor the blockchain or send real-time push notifications for you. The app must run heavily in the background—downloading filters or blocks and processing them locally—which destroys mobile battery life and causes long lag times every time you open the wallet. Without server-side indexing, coordinating updates between co-signers or multiple devices becomes incredibly clunky. Any change to a wallet layout, label, or inheritance rule requires users to manage and share a secondary metadata decryption key entirely out-of-band just to sync the wallet state. Encrypting data-at-rest on the server doesn’t guarantee zero-knowledge privacy in motion. Once the device decrypts the xpub locally, it still has to query a network node for balances. Without a flawless Tor or VPN setup, the underlying network traffic (IP tracking, timing analysis, and UTXO clustering) will still leak the user's financial privacy.

BramBramEth

A simple idea is to keep one point every 256 jumps and client sends them along with the DP. Then server randomly picks say 10 ranges and replays them. Any error and the account of the user / their IP gets blacklisted. You can adjust 256 and 10 based on the server load / certainty of legitimacy you need.

AsbestosDude

Jesus christ man shareholders own shares in a legal entity, that have influence of the board of directors/management. That's not any direct ownership of each underlying asset, in other words. If you own 100% of Microsoft, **You do not own the IP, Assets, or Debt.** You seriously need to educate yourself because this is embarrassing.

Nelvalhil

Would gold be as valuable if it's in abundance? If I own 100% of Microsoft, do I own the IP, assets and debts?

AsbestosDude

Lets go step by step here since i know you're hard of thinking. I'll break down why you don't have a clue. You said "Holding stock entitles you to a % of a company, which has assets, IPs, revenue, profits, dividend, etc." **>Claim 1: Holding stock entitles you the company assets** The corporation owns the the assets, you don't own any of it. Only in the event of bankruptcy, do you get a penny and that's AFTER creditors take their cut. **>Claim 2: Revenue** Company income is not shareholder income. Company can have all the revenue in the world, doesn't mean you actually get anything **>Claim 3: profits:** Management decides what to do with profits, NOT shareholders. Company could make a trillion dollars in profit, doesn't mean shareholders are entitled to any of it. **>Claim 4: Dividends:** Completely option by the company, and most never pay meaningful dividends at all **>Claim 5: Intellectual property** This is easily the biggest error you've stated. You don't control shit. Nothing. No trademarks, no patents, no codes. Shareholders do not get to choose how the IP is used, how it's monetized, or any other details. Owning stock only gives you conditional residual claim on a corporation. There is Zero direct possession of assets, revenue or IP. You think you own a company when you buy it's stock, but in reality, you own very little. You can't redeem a stock, you can't trade it in, you can't cash it in. All it gives you access to is the market broadly, voting rights, and liquidation rights. That's it. That's all I'll be saying because frankly, you're disingenuous, you don't even know the definitions of half the words you're saying, and you're more interested in picking a fight than you are in actually making any cogent point. I know this because your points lack even the bare bones of accuracy because you say stupid shit like "Gold has intrinsic value because of it's rarity" which is a completely wrong and you know it, you're just too embarrassed to admit it.

AsbestosDude

Holding a stock does not entitle you to any of that, MAYBE a dividend, but most stocks dont. You literally think owning a share of Microsoft entitles you to Microsoft assets and IP. Rarity is not proof of intrinsic value, gold has intrinsic value for different reasons. Everything your saying is just flat out wrong. Not an opinion, like you actually dont have a clue what you're saying You dont even know what a stock is or how it functions or what it even represents. Like for fuck sakes you dont even know the definition of intrinsic value. Stop wasting my time

Substantial_Trip_706

Que raro los exchangeS siempre avisan cuando se inicia sesion desde otra IP

Future_Amount9163

You have an new IP all the ttime. Its called DHCP. Sorry for your loss. That really sucks.

TheresNoSecondBest

No worries. Start with small amounts to get hung of it. If you really value your privacy, consider running your own node too. Every wallet needs to use a node to see the blockchain. If you're not using your own node, you're using a node of the wallet operator. This person can see your IP as well as the address/wallet you're interested in and link them together.

Correct-Role1360

Coinbase and Kraken used to have a procedure where if you changed your IP address or your account addresses you couldn't do anything with 24 hours people complained there you go

revelm

Second this. If you think your IP and block explorer queries aren't being saved forever, you're wrong.

ualdayan

You also can't trust ,even if it all checks out as coming from them, that somebody hasn't gotten in on that company's servers - somebody got in on Robinhood's mail service and sent me a scam email once that had SPF/DKIM/DMARC all match - it WAS from Robinhood from an authorized sending IP address - the link took me to a page where it asked me to download the Robinhood wallet - which was the legit Robinhood app - but then it told me to 'restore my account' with the provided seed - I knew at that point it was a scam and where it was going.

BetterSeesaw

Oof. That’s an expensive lesson. But tbh multiple mistakes where made. It was nog just keeping your Bitcoin on an exchange, also keeping you passwords of it in Google. Not so smart after all. Weird that they didn’t block the new IP indeed. Don’t know where you’re from but in Europe there is a travel rule. You need to proof or confirm the address you send it to is yours.

MeAndDuke

Do any of the big exchanges have a setting that will flag coin movement from a completely different IP? Maybe force a ID verification for accessing the account from across the world?

Lehcen

Pass keys, trusted device, IP specific logins

canadas

Probably a pretty impossible battle unfortunately. Even if google will help you out, finding the IP address of who sent the e-mail or whatever I doubt the exchange will ever offer to get you your money back, they might also be able to provide you with similar information about where they logged into your account from, but unless you are able to coordinate a quite possibly multinational police team willing to help you I'd say don't hold your breath. It's not reasonable to expect the exchanges to reimburse you, other wise a lot of people would just fake the scam on themselves, "steal" your own money, ask for it back. Should the exchanges have put up some resistance, debatable, again look at it from their point. They have their policies, its not like you can just call them and say hello this is Bill please send all my bitcoin to this address. Anyways I'm sorry this happened, I came close to it once, somehow a long time ago, 10 years plus somehow they got access to whatever exchange I was using, also through google but I don't know how. They canceled all my pending trades and converted all my funds to whatever it was they were hoping to withdraw, i forget what. But they weren't able to actually withdraw. Another time again maybe 12 years ago I tried to make a withdraw and it was declined, I called them and asked if it was because the IP address is from a different country (I was traveling for business), yes it was, I forget what I had provide to make it go through.

druffino69

Ic3 and local fbi asap save all relevant data with screenshots try to get the IP address it is probably fake though sorry bro been Thur it too and never got anything back never open links ,or emails not familiar and of it's Google always always be suspicious and never trust Google sucks .the playground of scammees Google needs to be sued it's happened thru Google numerous times and they keep allowing it to happen

bootlegstone89

The ‘backed by nothing’ argument was stronger when Bitcoin was genuinely just a speculative experiment. It’s increasingly hard to sustain when sovereign wealth funds and bank adjacent institutions are treating it as legitimate infrastructure. Fiat currency isn’t backed by tangible assets either. The dollar’s value comes from institutional trust, network adoption, and the US government’s enforcement. That’s not physical backing, that’s collective agreement about utility. Value is ultimately what people agree it is. That’s true of fiat, gold, and crypto equally, you just feel more comfortable with the history of others. Yes the underlying technology is replicable, but you draw the wrong conclusion. TCP/IP is replicable, that didn’t stop the internet developing dominant networks. The network effects aren’t, liquidity depth etc. Your manosphere argument is not a serious one. The Bank of England is proposing extending settlement infrastructure to 24/7 operations specifically to prepare for tokenised finance. The SEC just released an innovation exemption for on chain securities trading. BlackRock, JPMorgan, Franklin Templeton are all actively building on public chains. I can go on… These aren’t criminal enterprises or manosphere figures, they’re the most regulated institutions on earth making long term infrastructure bets. At what point does ‘backed by nothing’ stop becoming a coherent argument like it was for previous innovations? I have no interest in changing your mind I just find it interesting how people are still bearish and believe its a scam after all these developments.

Large-Chair6907

As definitive as it can get. I'm not the NSA to print out his IP log and hand it to you as proof.

Cold_Law4248

That's really weird, especially if you've been logging in daily without issues. Cloudflare blocks usually happen when their system thinks there's suspicious activity or you're coming from flagged IP address 🤔 Could be temporary maintenance thing or maybe your ISP got flagged somehow? I'd try using VPN from different location just to test if it's IP-related. Also worth checking if other users on social media are reporting same issue - that would tell you if it's widespread problem or just affecting you. Really frustrating when you can't reach support in weekend though. Hope they get back to you quickly tomorrow 💀

Crystal_Smitha

honestly smaller test withdrawals, aged accounts, and consistent device/IP usage help a lot. i move most stuff to gem wallet now but avoid doing large instant withdrawals because cb/kraken risk engines are super sensitive

EqualFriend4660

Been dealing with the same bullshit and ditching the VPN actually helped a ton. Most exchanges get paranoid about location mismatches and flag everything as suspicious when your IP jumps around.

nomadicmitch

Thanks for the response. He had it written down in his notebook, and not saved digitally. I guess I would have expected that when the thief logged in, there would be some IP address data saved with the wallet. They verify it's you when you login, so I guess I anticipated some sort of terminal IP address to be logged, even if your transactions were not. Again, I'm a total low-level noob in this stuff.

Wendals87

Why would you file a lawsuit against phantom? They don't hold your crypto. It's on the blockchain with your keys being the only way to access it You'd have to report to the authorities but don't hold your breath. There's no IP address stored anywhere and while 80k is a lot, it's not in the scheme of things when people lose millions 

rankinrez

You’ll never find it. You can look at the transaction in which the funds were moved. And you can see what block it was included in, and you can see what miner mined that block. But from there no real way to trace back the IP, the miner probably doesn’t log, plus it’s almost certainly submitted to some random node and distributed to that miner. So yeah it’s gone.

Throwaway4VPN

Phantom are not responsible here so don't waste your time with them. In reality, the money isn't being returned. You can file a police report and see if the ISP might help with that information (which I doubt) Tracking the IP address of who this was is almost impossible as Blockchain transactions don't record the IP address. Your friend likely either had the 12 words saved somewhere easily hackable with malware, or interacted with a malicious smart contract which allowed the wallet to be drained.

Wendals87

. >Is the 12 word key more hackable than I've been led to believe? The words weren't "hacked". He probably had malware or the words were Leaked somewhere e >Is there any chance of recovering the funds? If so, through Phantom or a recovery service of some kind?  No sorry  >Is it possible to track the IP address of the login which accessed his account, in an attempt to recover the funds?  Authorities could maybe. Not you though. You need a warrant for the IP holder (ISP) to hand out information 

u_spawnTrapd

I think the bigger shift is that younger people won’t separate internet money from money the same way older generations still do. If you grew up with online games, digital ownership, instant payments, and global communities, Bitcoin feels less weird by default. That said, I’m curious whether the real impact ends up being ideological or just infrastructural. Most people use the internet daily without understanding TCP/IP. Could end up the same with Bitcoin where the next generation just expects open, borderless systems underneath everything without thinking about it much.

melonmeta

Does TCP/IP results in emerging centralization and perma-slavery? Are you required to pay fees for every time you use it? Is your purchase power being debased every 10min by it? Can it be turned off in case society reaches absurd unsustainable levels of oppression?

rgnet1

16 years in existence, 100,000+ competing coins and yet the market share of bitcoin versus everything else is staggering. Bitcoin itself is still a blip in the wider financial landscape. Everything else is near nonexistent. TCP/IP is also not perfect but you only need one protocol to do the job of being the most secure system of p2p value transfer on the planet. Layer 2 handles high frequency at the cost of some security. Everything else is pointless fragmentation - which is what I call the entire crypto industry.

psxndc

Ok. So, not to be pedantic, it doesn't “secure” IP; it’s just a source of provenance/authenticity. Does anyone really value that outside the art/collectible world? I could see a world where it enables a digital second-hand marketplace for digital IP like movies, e.g., I bought a movie on Fandango for $10 and want to sell it “used" for $3, but I'm not sure studios would be interested in disrupting the existing firsthand-only approach they've got now. They're making dollars per transaction now, so why trade that for pennies on every second-hand transaction?

GVas22

The problem is that the implementation never made sense. Blockchains don't help convey true digital ownership when there are an infinite amount of blockchains that can be created. There is no enforcement of IP rights tied to a blockchain, and nothing stopping an NFT claiming ownership of something to be printed on another blockchain (or even the same blockchain again). There is basically zero utility.

M4nuel7

Can we fill a police case and maybe the police can contact trust wallet and get the IP from the person that did the transaction?

jake_dev88

I think this is one of the most underrated problems in crypto. A lot of the industry still assumes: > when in reality abstraction usually fixes adoption. Most people don’t care about: * signing mechanics * RPCs * gas * approvals * bridges * custody models They care whether the thing feels safe, predictable, and understandable. The internet scaled because users stopped needing to understand TCP/IP. Cloud scaled because developers stopped thinking about physical servers. Good infrastructure disappears behind interfaces. Crypto still exposes way too much of its internal architecture directly to users. The “approving a contract” example is perfect honestly. That phrase makes total sense to people deep in the ecosystem, but to normal users it sounds like legal paperwork mixed with cybersecurity risk. The hard part is that crypto products are often designed by people optimizing for decentralization purity or protocol visibility instead of cognitive load reduction. The companies that eventually win mass adoption probably won’t have the most technically impressive UX. They’ll have the products that make users forget they’re interacting with crypto at all.

Overshoot2053

Grok has a Twitter account because Grok is owned by XAI. Bankr uses Privy to create a crypto wallet tied to social media. It’s live on Twitter, Telegram and Farcaster. Effectively every single Twitter user has a wallet tied to their account, they don’t even need to create an account to receive and send funds. All trading is done via natural language in the feed (though there’s also a private terminal at bankr.bot). Grok has money to lose because someone promoted it to launch a token $DRB and it did (Bankr also allows you to launch a token with natural language in the feed). Tokens launched by Bankr spin up a Liquidity pool with a 1% fee on all trades, split between the token creator and Bankr). Since Grok was the token creator it got a split of fees in its Bankr wallet and the token went somewhat viral last year. At its peak Grok’s wallet had equivalent to 1.5m USD (LP rewards are paid in $WETH and the native token. $DRB and $WETH have both gone down a lot since then, so Grok had closer to $400k in its wallet at the time this exploit happened). Bankr has a number of opt in protections against this sort of attack (IP address and wallet white listing, blocking Bankr from responding outside the private terminal etc) but Grok never opted into any of this because the XAI devs never acknowledged the token or the wallet for liability reasons.

WhyHopOnPop

You're probably sending through a shared IP and they have measures to protect other companies that send through the same IP. Probably wouldn't be a problem if you used a dedicated campaign but assuming your sending quantity is too small for that.

Blockchainauditor

Can you provide the Patent number for the Microsoft patent based on your IP?

Blockchainauditor

At the end, you say your point is to encourage people not to use Coinbase (the Coinbase exchange?). It is a bit difficult to follow the story in between - we go from a bar, to the police, to Coinbase? paying off the police, to Microsoft taking your intellectual property, to Ledger taking your IP ... to converting data into crypto? By "Cops", do you mean RCMP? It is probably out of the role of local constabulary. Have you contacted CAFC or the Cyber Centre? How about [https://reportcyberandfraud.canada.ca/](https://reportcyberandfraud.canada.ca/)

Dry_Corgi9590

You’re spot on – cold storage secures keys, but transaction privacy is a separate layer. The fix: broadcast via your own node (or a privacy‑focused one) instead of trusting a wallet provider’s API. Pair with Tor to hide your IP. Wallets like Sparrow or Electrum let you connect to a personal node or a public electrum server over Tor. Even then, the transaction is on‑chain forever, but you remove the provider’s ability to log and link your addresses. Next step: learn about coin control and avoiding address reuse.

Django_McFly

I don't think it really impacts defi protocols the way you think. Even if it did, they'd probably block American IP addresses on the front end before they followed this. VPN + documentation/AI, meh not a big deal imo. You can change your IP for free or literally link to the docs and ask ChatGPT to make a new front end for you

__Ken_Adams__

This is failing to understand the significance of network effect. Bitcoin is still king not simply because it was first but because of its network effect, similar to the tcp/IP argument made by the other guy.

Torshein

Plus the odds of a decentralized currency system ever coming out of left field, gaining network adoption, and actually working ever again is probably near zero. Tcp/IP is a perfect example of "it's not perfect but it works"

BlyG

TCP/IP wasn’t the fanciest protocol—it just became the one everyone used. Once enough networks spoke it, better ideas didn’t matter as much as compatibility. Bitcoin feels similar: open, simple, and already a standard everyone is pointing towards.

Drizznarte

The server will still see and log the IP alongside the URL , it has acess to both, therefore so do you. Private url is misleading idea.

Bitlam

Once you fully understand Bitcoin you will also understand that your “end game” question is not the correct approach. It’s like asking what is your endgame regarding internet? Was fax it? Would you call it off at voice over IP? Is streaming the end of it?

Impressive-Handle-69

TCP/IP is dead.

user_name_checks_out

I have not looked at your thing, but let me just say that I do not ever search my addresses on any online block explorer, because that would allow the owner of the web site to link my IP address to my bitcoin balance. I would only use something like this on my own node.

Concordium_Official

Hi u/Visivle-Cheek5240, great question, and I think the key part is exactly what you pointed out, “without even knowing.” I would say it is closer than most people think. When I was at Google, I worked on products used by billions of people who never think about the infrastructure underneath. That is the benchmark. The best technology disappears into the background. You do not think about TCP/IP when you open a webpage, it just works. With standards like x402 being pushed by major internet players, we are moving toward a similar model for payments. AI agents will be able to pay for API calls, services, and digital resources seamlessly, without users needing to understand what is happening underneath. We are building toward a world where people use blockchain every day without realizing it. And this is not a 5 year vision. It is much closer, something like 12 to 18 months if things continue at this pace.

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Buying a 'bass boat' or gadgets on Reddit P2P is a hobby, not a financial system. The moment you try to scale that to things that actually matter—real estate, legal protection, or taxes—the 'off-grid' fantasy collapses. You’re not circumventing the system; you're just playing in a backyard that hasn't been paved over yet. In 2026, if the AI can link your delivery address, your digital footprint, and your IP to a non-KYC transaction, you're not a ghost—you're just a target waiting to be indexed. The 'exit doors' aren't just about banks; they're about the infrastructure of reality.

TheresNoSecondBest

> Safety: if you suggest a website or an app to generate a wallet and get the keys for and then print it out on piece of paper. DON'T EVER USE A WEBSITE TO GENERATE KEYS. Preferably, do it offline. A fully open source hardware wallet like SeedSigner, Jade or Krux are IMHO the safest bet. >How are you 100% sure the generator is not fake? Because it's open source and you don't use a shitcoin wallet like [Cake](https://milksad.info/posts/research-update-10/) for example. >Anonymity: getting the wallet undocumented and how to later on exchange it back to fiat without having to through places like Coinbase etc... First: Run your own node. Every wallet, not connected through your nede is capable of linking and logging your IP to an address. This includes wallets, storing "privacy" shitcoins. Second: Buy bitcoin P2P at BISQ, Robosats, HodlHodl, PeachBitcoin or Vexl. For the highest anonymity, go with Vexl and exchange cash, face to face. Otherwise, you're leaving trial at your bank. >Purchasing: Many business online now accept crypto/btc but its usually associated to an account/name. Always pay over r/thelightningnetwork. The receiver cannot link back to your wallet because the LN doesn't use a blockchain. [Here's a good video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKdK-7AtAMQ), explaining how LN works. The privacy part is towards the end. Also, visit r/BitcoinBeginners and look around. Your questions have been answered on many occasions.

Silasurf

Mysterium dark VPN. You need a residential IP You are welcome

ZedZeroth

That's a good point, although I've never known e.g. Kraken to limit my withdrawals based on a change in IP location. I agree that if you declared your change of address to the exchange and they could no longer offer you services then that complicates matters, but the rules are usually that they can still allow withdrawals. Note that this won't involve bank transfers, which is where issues usually arise. I don't think the major exchanges (Kraken, Coinbase etc) would have an issue, especially if you're withdrawing to an already verified address that you've used in the past.

Glew26

Warning: if you pay the $18 for "early access", you need to watch it on the same IP you use when you click on the link. Just lost access and thought it was so crazy that this is the rule, so I asked for a refund - but no. No refunds.

skuidENK

This. I was brought on to the lead marketing efforts at one of these GameFi studios that had a boatload of cash. Prior to that, I lead marketing efforts at a relatively big “traditional” game studio. I wasn’t particularly keen on the blockchain space but was looking for something new and they were willing to pay me a stupid amount of money to come on. But also, I thought the IP was interesting and had potential to someday expand into other media. From the jump, I realized something was up. They had dropped their launch trailer with some gameplay footage and was looking to market its release sometime the following year. Cool so clearly they had a working version of the game. I chased the executive producer for weeks to try to test out the game and he kept giving me the runaround. So I put together a big meeting with the CEO and leads so I can pitch how I’d like to do marketing but I used that meeting to force someone to actually show me the game only to find out there is no game. There’s a ton of art assets but not even a working demo. The launch trailer was faked using UE5 assets from their marketplace. Jaw was on the floor. On top of all that, I was now managing a lot of the relationships with other web3 partners who I absolutely could not stand. All they wanted me to do was leverage our IP to hype up their projects. I kept bringing it up to the CEO and seniors that this blockchain community is disingenuous and no one really cares about the game we were supposed to be making. I kept pushing for us to just drop the blockchain and actually make the game that we announced but they weren’t hearing it. The only people they were listening to were random groups out in SE Asia and the Middle East. CEO didn’t have a game development background and thought they we could will a AAA into existence in 6 months just because it’s web3. It was like watching a slow motion train crash while you’re still on the train. Eventually I was let go as they had to cut cost in order to continue the project. I told them that that makes sense and that they were far away from actually marketing the game and had no need for marketing right now. A couple years later the whole project collapsed. I realized there was never really a plan to make the game. They were hoping they could drive enough hype so they can do their initial coin offering and then dump the project but unfortunately web3 started collapsing in mid-May right before they could do their ICO.

contractmine

On the face of it, yes, that's what one would think. Unfortunately, the sentiment out there with gamers (post 2021) is a full rejection of anything having to do with blockchain. Through a "normie" gamer perspective, they immediately associate crypto-anything with scam and dogpile on with rejection sentiment. I was well on the way with making a good game first, I had great press in 2019, positive feedback at GDC & PAX West demos in 2020... right before NFTs boomed. After that, I was the first blockchain game to get removed by Steam because they determined blockchain assets had tangible real-world value. However, later Gabe N. came out with the real reason in that he thinks crypto is a scam. Anyway, point being after that, the gamers rejected any notion of the game, who really knew nothing about the game or tokens, or NFTs but just decided blockchain game = evil. I pushed back for a while by like what's in this article, it wasn't possible to change the mindsets of gamers who had already seen the well as poisoned. So I think like even if you had say a large game IP implement blockchain assets or tokens, the over sentiment would be severely negative. For the past couple of years I've been reworking the game, now completely devoid of any blockchain integration. 😑

SelmakkW

You probably won’t get an IP from a blockchain transaction, but you should still report it. Sometimes exchanges can freeze funds if they land there.

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grandegi

Moving to a country with strict regulations can be stressful, but the beauty of crypto is that you can truly own your assets. The safest move is to get your funds off the exchanges and into a non-custodial wallet (hardware or software) before you leave. As long as you hold your own private keys, you don't have to worry about an exchange freezing your account due to your new IP address.

ShockCatOnSol

Exactly the read on BTC confirmation - SOL’s thesis strengthens significantly above $80.5K. On PENGU, the IP angle is what separates it from pure narrative plays. ETH chopping zone is the right frame range trade or wait for the catalyst. The Grid is watching the ETH/BTC ratio as the real tell for when that changes.

suckyuhhmada

SOL conviction at 3:1 r/R makes sense given the ecosystem momentum, but I'd want to see the $80.5k BTC breakout confirm before getting too aggressive. The PENGU narrative is interesting — IP-backed meme coins with genuine community have held up better than pure hype plays this cycle. ETH hold at 44/100 tracks with what I'm seeing too. The symmetric range suggests it's in a chopping zone rather than a trending one — good for range traders, rough if you're trying to catch a directional move.

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tavirabon

That doesn't help you in a DNS attack. You need the IP address bookmarked for that, and only if it's a fixed address.

SpendHefty6066

Nodes have Tor built in. So you are saying exposing your IP address using a node is unsafe, but exposing your IP address and all of your UTXOs each time you check the your wallet is … safe?

Logical_driver_42

Well if you don’t use a vpn you can expose yourself as you are allowing the whole public internet to see your IP and if you use a device that isn’t solely a BTC node you can accidentally give someone access to your computer. I’m sure it is safer but for someone who’s new I dont think its necessary.

SpendHefty6066

Running a node is always preferable for any Bitcoin transaction. If you are using someone else’s node, your transaction details and your IP address is leaked. But that portion of my advice is not a requirement, just a general preference, security and verification measure.

rafalmio

It has seed addresses, those seeds are public and owned by private people. When you start a Bitcoin node for the first time, it has no idea where other nodes are. It uses DNS Seeds to get a "bootstrap" list of active IP addresses to connect, for example seed.bitcoin.sipa.be. If all of them shutdown then you gotta use your friends IP manually for example. However it’s not directly related to the blockchain itself.

chris_ck

AI agents will eventually become companies. Hopefully, if we do this right, we combine with blockchain. All IP, transactions, etc. sit on an immutable ledger. You wanna buy a company tomorrow? You buy an AI agent, or an agent company consisting of multiple agents, in a single transaction onchain, and everything is automatically transferred to you. No paperwork, or bureaucracy, or anything.

choicehunter

I believe there's a misunderstanding. I wouldn't say Bitcoin is out of date any more than base layers like TCP/IP or fedwire are out of date. Bitcoin was never intended to be comprehensive. It was intended to be a foundational base layer protocol with a bunch of sub-layers built on top of it. Think of it as something like TCP/IP for the Internet. It is not intended to do everything that's possible on the Internet, but it is the base layer everything we do is built on, including advanced stuff like streaming. Or if you want a financial analogy, think of it like Fedwire with the USD system. Fedwire doesn't and can't process every single transaction with US dollars. It's not built to handle that. It is simply the base protocol and final settlement layer. It is a final settlement that doesn't get reversed. It has low throughput and high security. It relies on layer 2's or deeper nested sublayers built on top of it to act as payment layers. These are things like ACH, SWIFT, Credit Card networks, payment rails/apps built on top of bank IOUs, etc. Those aren't settlement layers, they are secondary layers that go to the base settlement layer for finality. Bitcoin works the same way. It's basically an improved version of fedwire. It's not supposed to replace credit cards or checks directly, though people could use it that way.... The intent is for daily transactions to go through secondary layers such as the lightning network or other things being built. The only way Bitcoin is out of date is related to Quantum resistance technology. I think that's the only thing that could eventually force a hard fork to resolve it. And if that ever happens, then while they're at it, I could see 51% voting to resolve the UTXO dust issues if a hard fork is happening anyway. I don't realistically see approval for almost anything else changing because it's set up great to work as a simple base layer final settlement protocol to take the place of something like Fedwire. What more does it need to do that can't simply be done with a secondary layer instead just like what fedwire does with credit cards for daily transactions since it can't handle them all itself with the low throughput?

Coin-Controversy

\> Yep. Link works now. I'm glad, thanks for letting me know. You helped out a lot. \> that's quite strong evidence for Nick. Far stronger than for Adam Back of Hal Finney. The Dorian Sakamoto part always throws me off, because it really does seem like someone nearby framed him. yes, and Satoshi's IP address [was California](https://whoissatoshi.wordpress.com/2016/02/20/satoshi-in-california/) (where Szabo lived). This basically eliminates Adam Back as a candidate IMO. It's ultimately hard to say how "satoshi" got his pseudonym, but the Dorian nakamoto part is interesting. Szabo studied Japanese in his free time so I think he clearly is fond of the Japanese culture, but it's also possible he used phone books/the internet to come up with a patsy that would potentially lead to Dorian instead of him. In actuality, that ended up happening as my other article notes. \> Is there any reason Nick Szabo isn't at the top Satoshi candidates? He is, definitely. he's one of the top candidates in most news stories, and he was actually the first candidate suspected in 2011, as my article showed (cuz of Bit gold). He had such strong OPSEC that redditors of the time thought he didn't exist. It's funny too, because the [NYT in 2015 published a comprehensive article pinning Szabo as Satoshi](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/business/decoding-the-enigma-of-satoshi-nakamoto-and-the-birth-of-bitcoin.html) :)