BCH

vekypula

LTC and BCH pumping were again top signals. See you in 4

TheSexSting

IMO BTC as a P2P cash is gone. The fees are too high and transactions take too long. institutions own it. Then there’s volatility if I’m sending my friend $10 dollars and it becomes $8.91 by the afternoon because a whale sneezed it’s not a cash replacement or a good emergency fund. It’s a volatile investment. BCH is closer and better at P2P. the fees are way lower. Yet even BCH is too volatile right now. Just my 2 cents that might become 0 cents or $20.

gr8ful4

Normies if at all will buy BTC via ETF. That will give BlackRock tremendous control. And even worse normies will think of BTC as an asset in their portfolio, not a currency they could use as an alternative. BTC is mainstream. If you are interested in crypto*currency* as a means to speculate on doption as an alternative to USD/EUR you might want to look at Monero (and LTC/BCH).

gr8ful4

There are atomic swaps between BTC, ETH and BCH with XMR.

monkeyhold99

lol no it doesn’t. I’d love to see bitcoin cash actually handle the amount of volume Bitcoin (the real Bitcoin) does on a daily basis. BCH is just another shit fork no different from bitcoin diamond, bitcoin gold, bitcoin sv, etc

PopeIndigent

Bitcoin is a PeerToPeer digital currency ... you can't be that with $5 fees, much less $50 fees, which I have seen, Which makes #BCH Bitcoin ... and #BTC a magnificent project in digital fools gold ...

princemousey1

BCH is not Bitcoin (BTC). What are you on about?

PopeIndigent

That's fucking crazy talk. BCH may well have a 12 year bull run ... once peole recognize that #BCHisBitcoin ... but the "we're gonna get a monopoly by overcharging the fuck out people" nonsense won't work, now or ever.

Low_Moose_6829

ETH and its layer 2s are really technology ahead but that dosent mean much in the eyes of the current investor. BCH solved a bunch of bitcoin’s problems and investors seem rather uninterested in it. Bitcoins outdated technology makes it similar to gold and that’s what the current market sees it as. A digital gold and another way to fight inflation.

DangerHighVoltage111

Dude I gave you all the keywords. It's on you to look into it. I cannot argue again a believe. And >It's a shitcoin, Litecoin already existed and does all of that better. is just your believe because you haven't looked into it. e.G. has the same small block bug that ultimately limits what it can do. 0-conf is safer in BCH than on LTC. BCH has more real world adoption. But as I said nothing will convince a believe.

01technowichi

He's referring to language used during the block wars. "Core" is a reference to a company that did a lot of development on BTC, and were the biggest advocates of Segwit and Lightning. So "core" refers to BTC, and he likely supports BCH. Both claim to be "real bitcoin" and I'll leave it to the block warriors to argue their perspectives on that one. It's useful as a distinction in some contexts (though, the ticker is just as useful *and* more universally understood), not so useful in others.

snktido

I use BCH, XML or Ripple. They are cheap to send and are relatively fast.

TenacityJack

Bitcoin Cash (BCH) has worked well for me sending internationally. The fees are almost nothing. The only issues are the “spread” and the volatility, which can work in your favor or not.

wonkafront

BCH plz and tyvm

asmileforyou

Many of those coins were also only at the ATH price for a very short period of time. For example, BCH reached an ATH of around 0.25 BTC in late December 2017 due to Coinbase listing hype, but it was only around that high on Coinbase for a few minutes.

biba8163

> I don’t regret selling. The whole point is to sell and increase the quality of your life and not wait until you're filthy rich old man whose life has passed you by. BTC is a plays out in cycles of pumps and dumps. Alts play out in rugpulls, 99% of them scamming you with hype and lies, their only value appreciation comes riding the BTC bullrun wave. The best risk/reward play is to use BTC as a diversifier in your portfolio of stocks, bonds and real estate. I paid off my mortgage after the 2017/18 bullrun and was starting to loading up for the next bullrun in December 2018 > I am so glad I focused on paying off my mortgage in the bear market. Almost there and hopefully paid up by the time it's time to stock up for the next halvening bullrun https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/a3n8qb/priorities/eb7psti/ Bought my second house in April 2021 with people commenting that I got lucky. I've never sold the absolute top of a cycle, I have no idea where it is - and if you listen to experts, you're fucked. https://np.reddit.com/r/RealEstate/comments/mviupv/paid_70k_20_over_asking_yes_it_appraised_yes_its/ I retired in 2022. Would I have more money now if I never ever sold? Yes that that is in hindsight and the point is to enjoy life and not stare at the charts worrying about the price of BTC and how big your stack is. Also remember the lure of Alts is that they outperform BTC. But the vast majority of people lose money on Alts because this is mostly fiction: - You have to pick the right Alts that will pump out of 10,000+ shitcoins - You have to pick the bottom or near bottom - You have to pray that some foundation doesn't dump on your ass, print another shitload of tokens, do some shenanigans that completely destroy the value of your shitcoin, etc - You have to pick the top or near top before it dump to kingdom come again Long term investment in Alts is a losing proposition. BTC is the diversifier (calculation done on the prices yesterday) - LTC's BTC high was .04792 in late 2013. If it kept up with BTC, the price would be $3,185 - NameCoin BTC high was .0145 on late 2013. It kept up with BTC, the price would be $963 - Peercoin BTC high was .00895 on early 2014. If it kept up with BTC, the price would be $594 - ZCash BTC high was 2.2635 on late 2016. If it kept up with BTC, the price would be $150,466 - XRP BTC high was .00022465 in May 2017. If it kept up with BTC , the price would be $14.93 - ETH BTC high was 0.15 on June 2017. If it kept up with BTC , the price would be $9,971 - BCH BTC high was 0.14 on August 2017. If it kept up with BTC , the price would be $9,786 - IOTA BTC high was .000257 on January 2018. It it kept up with BTC, the price would be $17..01 - Vechain BTC high was 0.00000755 on January 2018. It it kept up with BTC, the price would be $0.50 - NEO BTC high was .01538 on January 2018. It it kept up with BTC, the price would be $1,022 - ADA BTC high was 0.00007382 on January 2018. It kept up with BTC, the price would be $4.91 - ALGO BTC high was 0.00031342 on June 2019. It kept up with BTC, the price would be $21.91 - ChainLink BTC high was 0.001582 on August 2020. It kept up with BTC, the price would be $110

Legitimate_Cry_5194

I don't hate BCH at all, i do believe it is well established and has a place in the crypto sector. My arguments weren't against BCH as a coin regarding it's utility, but about being presented as a superior investment thus far due to "Doing a 700% from the bottom". It's a painfully laughable argument. BCH/BTC being 95% down from its ATH isn't my opinion, it's a mathematical fact. It might outperform BTC in the future, who knows. From an investment standpoint till now though, it a disastrous one compared to BTC.

PovasTheOne

I picked up some BCH and a LOT ( for me ) of Doge... I had set a buy limit and had forgotten about it... Funny enough, Doge nowadays seems to be like a top 5 secure buy in Crypto, shits crazy.

DangerHighVoltage111

Please wipe the foam from your mouth. I bought my first BCH at 600 or 800 and I hold ever since, besides the spending and replacing. The darkest part was not the $100, it was after the second fork then there was little hope for p2p cash because of the second attack. But the community managed and now it has a rock solid tech base you haters cannot slander. P2p cash or bust. >P.S. DCA is an extremely amateurish way to invest in an asset that has 80% or 95% peak to bottom drawdown in a cycle cycle. You go all in low, all out high. Oh f off, whenever I mention BCH there is a 100% a maxis that shows a price or DCA chart. I could show you the lump sum of the same time it would show you the same result. You just love hating on BCH no matter what. Go on, miss the trend change miss scaling p2p cash. Not my problem. bye.

DangerHighVoltage111

Flailing wildly missing by a mile. Everyone who has looked into BCH is laughing at you, so do I 😂😂 Goodbye, stay salty.

Ramdom_c-137

People have to lose money for us to cash out at higher levels. I'm down $15k now, I'm with hodling BCH. but it applies to every crypto market. Paper hands is what's gonna pay us, this dip is like clockwork, see you next halving for the next one XD

lostparanoia

Let me rephrase? No SIGNIFICANT improvements are being done to bitcoin. Bitcoins biggest problems are scalability and transaction fees which were both solved by the BCH people, but for BTC nothing has been done about that because the miners like their high fees. Ethereum are progressively solving their real problems one by one.

HKBFG

>BCH We'll there's your problem. The real thing is doing fine by comparison.

Dr_SeanyFootball

BCH was 30% lol

DangerHighVoltage111

Since 2021 BCH is en par or better than BTC in DCAing. https://cryptodca.io/crypto-dca-calculator/?coin=bitcoin-cash&amount=100&currency=usd&frequency=monthly&start=2021-4-14&end=2024-4-12

DangerHighVoltage111

I bought most of my BCH around $100 a bit at 200 and a little at 600. 🤷‍♂️ Am I a better investor than you? Best thing, no matter the price I spend & replaced with no problems. BCH works as p2p cash effortless.

Legitimate_Cry_5194

First of all my replies were to Maleficent _Sound_919, clarifying just in case you misunderstood. I couldn't care less being a fanboy to anything let alone a cryptocurrency coin. This dude tried to mock by writing blah blah and then proceeded to argue, in the most simplistic way possible, that alts are better investments because they did a better return from their absolute bottom (which almost no one bought let alone him) a bottom they hit after a 95% retrace from their last cycle highs. Yeah, Luna classic made a 400% from its low, let's call it a good investment then. Oh wait, maybe not, lots of people committed suicide due to Luna, maybe this 400% doesn't mean anything if it's an increase after a 99,999999% drop which killed a few people. His naive and amateurish thinking, along with his intention to mock, along with him lying trying to appear like someone who had a ride of this 700% BCH appreciation, warrants a reply that not only exposes his laughable argument, but isn't giving him any respect at all since he tried to mock on top of lying. I agree in one thing with him though, it's all about making money. -BCH is 85% down from its ATH -BTC is 8% down from its ATH -BCH/BTC is 97% down from its ATH As you can see it's not that i concider BTC holy like you've said, it's just about looking at those numbers and really making money from investing, possibly positively influencing some people reading it, rather than losing money from gambling, which is what this person does in reality.

Davinter30

Look at the charts, a lot of 100%+ pumps happened within days... avax doubled in like 10 days, BCH doubled twice within a few days, RNDR doubled in 6-7 days. And so on

matt11126

Okay ? Now zoom out, BCH is up 21% during the last month, BTC is down 7%. It really depends on what ALT you're talking about, the ones that have an actual use still outperform BTC on a longer time scale. I mean look at SOL it's still up 500% within the last year, BCH is up 302%, BTC on the other hand is up 118%. Now meme coins, that's where the real blood bath is. ALTS, even if they do drop extremely heavy, usually rebound as they have a use and are more credible. Meme coins... Once the FOMO HYPE MOON crew realizes they lost 50% of their investment they panic sell, and they never reinvest into that coin again.

jalapeno-grill

I picked up when it was hot before the halving, thinking it would run but it was stone. Makes me curious how BTC will play out since BCH has actual utility.

Maleficent_Sound_919

Did you hold BCH at 0.2846 and sold it for BTC? Like who gives a flying fuck about BTC/ALT It's about making money but you probably still think BTC will be the world currency Go away newbie

Legitimate_Cry_5194

7x blah blah. Except you didn't get a 7x if you've got anything at all, you just look at a chart and calculate bottom to local top and you have a wet dream about playing in the BCH casino buying at 100 and selling at 800, which you didn't. No casino where you live i guess, i understand. BCH/BTC ATH 0.2846 BCH/BTC NOW 0.0079 Yeah just 97.1% down vs BTC ROFL Go away newbie.

Vipu2

>Like Bitcoin cash went from like 80$ low to 700$ : almost 10x and in much shorter time [Nop, doesnt look very good for BCH against BTC in long run.](https://i.imgur.com/FpZuQL2.png) > Solana is at 150$ but went from 8$ to over 200 and even now it’s still 20x from its low [Sol also pretty stable but at least not as bad as BCH](https://i.imgur.com/QEjqojM.png)

DangerHighVoltage111

BCH is far from all time low. It just trippled it's ratio against BTC

Life-Duty-965

Yeah, happy about BCH. I still had a load of free coins from the fork and just happened to notice it ramping up in time to sell. God knows who's buying at that price but thanks!! I've kept a few just in case it goes higher still.

DangerHighVoltage111

BCH back at #13. I take it 😄😄😎

biba8163

This is why long term every ALT loses value against BTC. - LTC's BTC high was .04792 in late 2013. If it kept up with BTC, the price would be $3,185 - NameCoin BTC high was .0145 on late 2013. It kept up with BTC, the price would be $963 - Peercoin BTC high was .00895 on early 2014. If it kept up with BTC, the price would be $594 - ZCash BTC high was 2.2635 on late 2016. If it kept up with BTC, the price would be $150,466 - XRP BTC high was .00022465 in May 2017. If it kept up with BTC , the price would be $14.93 - ETH BTC high was 0.15 on June 2017. If it kept up with BTC , the price would be $9,971 - BCH BTC high was 0.14 on August 2017. If it kept up with BTC , the price would be $9,786 - IOTA BTC high was .000257 on January 2018. It it kept up with BTC, the price would be $17..01 - Vechain BTC high was 0.00000755 on January 2018. It it kept up with BTC, the price would be $0.50 - NEO BTC high was .01538 on January 2018. It it kept up with BTC, the price would be $1,022 - ADA BTC high was 0.00007382 on January 2018. It kept up with BTC, the price would be $4.91 - ALGO BTC high was 0.00031342 on June 2019. It kept up with BTC, the price would be $21.91 - ChainLink BTC high was 0.001582 on August 2020. It kept up with BTC, the price would be $110

biba8163

Guys, give it a few more ALT Seasons and shitcoins will catch up with BTC - LTC's BTC high was .04792 in late 2013. If it kept up with BTC, the price would be $3,185 - NameCoin BTC high was .0145 on late 2013. It kept up with BTC, the price would be $963 - Peercoin BTC high was .00895 on early 2014. If it kept up with BTC, the price would be $594 - ZCash BTC high was 2.2635 on late 2016. If it kept up with BTC, the price would be $150,466 - XRP BTC high was .00022465 in May 2017. If it kept up with BTC , the price would be $14.93 - ETH BTC high was 0.15 on June 2017. If it kept up with BTC , the price would be $9,971 - BCH BTC high was 0.14 on August 2017. If it kept up with BTC , the price would be $9,786 - IOTA BTC high was .000257 on January 2018. It it kept up with BTC, the price would be $17..01 - Vechain BTC high was 0.00000755 on January 2018. It it kept up with BTC, the price would be $0.50 - NEO BTC high was .01538 on January 2018. It it kept up with BTC, the price would be $1,022 - ADA BTC high was 0.00007382 on January 2018. It kept up with BTC, the price would be $4.91 - ALGO BTC high was 0.00031342 on June 2019. It kept up with BTC, the price would be $21.91 - ChainLink BTC high was 0.001582 on August 2020. It kept up with BTC, the price would be $110

J-96788-EU

You bought a bag using BCH? Was it a handbag or some other type?

MuttHuggins

Look at the hashrate difference. Look at BCH wither away against its BTC pair over time. No one cares anymore it’s not 2017. Block wars are over BCH lost. There’s much better options than BCH for DeFi or payments today. If you want to be in Crypto for years and like to watch other people make money BCH all day long

DangerHighVoltage111

So you never experienced Bitcoin as p2p cash without full blocks? You also never read the big blocker side without a filter, because in 2017 the biggest bitcoin places were heavily censored. This might lower your confidence a bit. > I have results. The only result BTC has is price rise. Everything else is a trainwreck. Onchain clogging up regularly. The scaling solution LN failed and instead of admitting it 95% use custodial wallets 💩 I guess we value different things. >bitcoin cash position before the beginning of the 2020 bull run and it worked out EXTREMELY well Nice :) Since 2021 BCH is performing better than BTC btw. Take a look at this: https://cryptodca.io/crypto-dca-calculator/?coin=bitcoin-cash&amount=100&currency=usd&frequency=monthly&start=2021-4-12&end=2024-4-11

DangerHighVoltage111

Sorry if you couldn't see the irony in your argument. 🤷‍♂️ If you aren't at least a little bit self aware. I don't know how this discussion can be fruitful. I pointed out that your argument against BCH could just as good be used against BTC when compared to the dollar. Therefore it's a useless argument. Besides the point. that the market never stops evaluating. If apple had stopped in the 90th because "the market decided" it was shit, it would never have produced the Iphone.

iamfunnylolwtf

Bitcoin Cash is clearly failing as a payment crypto. BCH was added to Bitpay (crypto payment processor) in 2018. LTC wasnt added until 2021. Despite the 3 year head start, LTC rose to the #2 coin within months of being added, and recently surpassed King Bitcoin to be the #1 coin used for payments for [the last 5 months in a row](https://bitpay.com/stats/). 35%+ of transactions are made with LTC. BCH can barely break 6%. LTC dominates BCH [active addresses](https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/activeaddresses-doge-ltc-bch.html#3m). Just yesterday, BCH had less than 30k active addresses, and LTC had 250k+. The metrics don't lie ... BCH is a joke that no one uses for payments.

libretumente

BCH brigading lol

zaccharles

It sounds like you think ETFs can just do whatever they think is in their interest. A BTC ETF buys and sells BTC and only BTC with their clients funds as per their clients instructions. They can't just casually dump BTC to try and affect the price. They certainly can't buy a an alternate coin, BCH or otherwise. There's likely also additional legal reasons they can't try to crash the price of an asset they're providing clients. I get what you're saying, but ETFs are not "the market" like you and I. Their clients are. They're effectively just an agent. It would be the clients that need to sell and use their funds to buy some other fork instead.

john-larry

Miners mainly follow incentives. On the surface you’re right, ETFs have no influence. They can however, in case of a fork, decide which chain they consider the real bitcoin. All ETF holders have no say in it. If the ETFs decide to market dump their coins on the “illegitimate” chain to buy more coins of the “legitimate” chain they can essentially decide. It’s just like with the BTC vs BCH fork. People say that BTC is the real coin just because its market cap is higher. Doesn’t matter that BCH better en corporates the original Bitcoin vision, “The markets have spoken”. If the ETF chain has a higher marketcap therefore higher profitability, miners will move to that chain.

Master_Ad_9083

Utter bollocks… go on show me some charts… here’s mine. https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactionfees-ltc-bch.html#3m LTC fees lower than BCH today and LTC fees steady - BCH fees all over the place check out the 8th of this month where BCH was 10x more than LTC. Oh what about active addresses LTC 8x more than BCH https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/activeaddresses-ltc-bch.html#3m

OnlyMayoFans

I think it will last and eventually rise up. I think at the end of it all, the store of value will be what crypto is all about, and so the chains with clear single functionality (per say) such as BTC, LTC, DOGE? BCH? will stick around. ........... maybe....

DCdek

You think BTC will go to $1m because of ETF's? BCH will have ETF's (GBCH already), wouldn't the bullish play be that instead of BTC?

Realistic_Fee_00001

You do not have to believe me. Go there talk shit about BCH and praise BTC and when you do it civil you won't be banned. Do the opposite in r/bitcoin or for the longest time even here and you get censored and banned. Most people just don't go there because they cannot take the heat, they don't want their dogmas challanged. They rather stay in their safe space without opposing opinions.

gr8ful4

Fees are even lower in BCH and in the future. LTC has a limited blocksize so works as BTC before hitting the blocksize limit. BCH has a current limit of x4 compared to LTC and starting from next month a dynamic blocksize that will grow with demand without being spammable like BSV. BCH has CashFusion (also implemented in some mobile wallets). It has AnyHedge, one if not the best on-chain hedging tool in the whole crypto space. It has fought at least three battles (BTC, BSV and XEC) and therefore has a hardened community of OGs.

gr8ful4

So you say it's a better store of value than BTC? BTC is either a speculative investment until it is fully capitalized and eventually becomes a store of value or it is a worse store of value than LTC or XMR or BCH.

gr8ful4

BTC so far has been a great speculative investment maybe soon reaching the status of reserve asset/store of value. XMR, BCH and LTC are desigend to be *a* medium of exchange. So if you want to use cryptoCURRENCY as digital money or digital cash you are much better off with one or all of these.

gr8ful4

1. XMR 1. BCH 1. LTC 1. BTC It's good but Monero and bcash are better.

Master_Ad_9083

It’s time will come, many mentions here of it being the next ETF but it’s way ‘underpriced’ given it’s utility. Check this POW chart out for active addresses. https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/activeaddresses-btc-doge-ltc-bch.html#3m LTC has 36% of BTC trading addresses LTC has 670% more than DOGE LTC has 864% more than BCH Given these metrics LTC mkt cap should be Vs BTC $500b Vs DOGE $189b Vs BCH $103b And yet it’s at $7.2b, so to get into a fair place given this value metric vs BTC/DOGE you’re looking perhaps at a 30-70x making a LTC worth $6,790 Add to this that in places like Bitpay LTC is the most used for transactions with nearly double the amount spent than BTC, LTC makes up 40% of transactions https://bitpay.com/stats/ if you took this metric vs the whole crypto space LTC market cap would be $1T making a LTC worth $11,904… You see predictions online, people drawing charts saying LTC is headed for $6-12k and whilst this seems like madness these are exactly the numbers that the active address (therefore network effect) seem to be pointing to. I can’t find any other crypto that has better investable metrics and I sit here HODLing my LTC disappointed so far but hoping it’s utility will get it noticed.

sudden_cookie44

BCH has too much yucky history behind it. If people forget about that maybe. LTC not perfect but more pure in its past.

skorpyn

It meets all the criteria for LTC ETF…as a cloned copy of BTC code, same application basically for SEC—and there’s no argument the SEC can make now not to approve it too. There was a tweet from an insider last week saying these same ETF companies are going to push for it. I personally think the SEC is going to deny Ethereum’s ETF (so they can flex their power), but then approve an LTC (and BCH) ETFs to then say they’re being balanced/fair in their decisions.

Background-Paper-686

You can believe all you want, BCH will eventually go to zero.

__redruM

And… BTC is at all time highs, and BCH isn’t. Just remember bitcoin “jesus” going on CNBC and starting the selloff at the end of 2017.

DangerHighVoltage111

Exactly, because this is the only instance small blocks can even claim that he has "scammed" someone. In reality the site read Bitcoin (BCH) and Bitcoin Core (BTC) Basically doing the same as all the exchanges, they assigned the ticker the other way around. But 7 years later people still repeat this bullshit, because the small blockers knew how to brigade and slander and censorship helped too.

DangerHighVoltage111

No, most of the world doesn't even know BCH exists and when the know about BCH it is the small blocker narrative. We are just now taking back our own narrative.

MichaelAischmann

7 years BCH fans looked at potential & it got them nowhere. You basically say for all this time the world has collectively decided to make the wrong choice.

DangerHighVoltage111

🙄🙄 See, that is what I mean. 1. Source, because most of the times these claims just evaporate. 2. Why do you care about Roger then. It's a maxi talking point to smear BCH by association. You don't have to marry the guy to use BCH.

DangerHighVoltage111

Thanks, I'm actually doing pretty well. I bought most of my BCH at $100-$120 ☺☺☺

DangerHighVoltage111

I do not contradict myself, but maybe I wasn't clear. >and the last two years it performed better than the biker. Was meant to be a statement about price gains, not tps Yes BCH needs to attract user to increase its actual throughput. The thing is when people switch to BCH they will finds a network that works and is reliable no matter what. That's potential. BTC has none. Every time more than a handful of people want to use it it craps its pants. That is why I said you need to look at the potential. the Ferrari can easily outperform the biker once people choose to use it.

DangerHighVoltage111

> Yes, lol, they designed segwit to work within the existing protocol so its not a hard fork... That's the point. If bch could have been done the same way, then it would just exist in unison with segwit within the original bitcoin protocol. You drank the Kool Aid aka SF good HF bad. In reality BCH blocksize increase could of course be done as a SF, but you choose the best tool for the job so you do not collect technical dept. The dirty Segwit hack is what enabled ordinals because their signature space is vast and cheap. Lesson: Don't be a cultist, choose the best technical way with the least dept. >Yes, because its the difference between a segwit node sending a payment to a person running an older bitcoin node and it just working, vs having to tell the person "oh, actually they changed bitcoin, and you have download this new software and follow this new protocol You have no fucking idea what you are talking about. That is not how it works at all. The chains are split now. If you want to access your prefork BCH you choose a BCH wallet if you want to access your pre-fork BTC you choose a BTC wallet.

DangerHighVoltage111

Then you would have phrased it differently. Small blockers gave roger a bad name so they could give BCH a bad name. Roger made mistakes, but so do all prominent people. Kaiser promoted shitcoins. The difference is the cultist mob with its slandering lying and brigading.

DangerHighVoltage111

>“The majority decision is represented by the longest chain, which has the greatest proof of work effort invested into it” From the whitepaper. That is BTC, Bitcoin. No, it is not. It is only BTC in the BTC ruleset. If there is an orphand block nakamoto consensus decides which one is the legit one. BTCs consensus cannot decide which BCH block is the legit one. Once you understand the limits of NC this becomes absolutely clear. Only people can decide which ruleset is valid for them. >It never fails to make me laugh how you guys keep trying to paint BTC as a total failure while its metrics are at or near ATHs and Bcash’s are at all time lows, down 90%+ against BTC. Its not just price, its everything. And by metric you mean the price. 🤷‍♂️ of course. If you take a look at the growing tx/day curve before 2017 and the sudden stop of it you should cry because BTC sacrificed millions of people adopting it as alternative to the crooked FIAT system. Imagine the price if BTC wasn't just a highly speculative asset and instead a usable alternative currency used by millions. >Bitcoin literally does more payments than Bcash. Yes. What's you point? Have you seen the difference in media attention? >Nobody is saying don’t look at bcash. Adam "you didn't call it bCash" Back is saying it. >I don’t need to lie about it to convince anyone Bcash is a failure, you do need to convince everyone that their eyes are lying to them though. Bitcoin is doing fantastic. Bitcoin doesn’t need you guys to make a fourth failchain, thanks. We are doing fantastic without you Ok then no need to fight me.

DangerHighVoltage111

The price is not always right. Many bubbles and crises have shown us that. In highly speculative markets like the crypto market few would deny price is mostly a function of hype and marketing. That said BCH is gaining on BTC over the last ~3 years. Which is coincidently when BCH got rid of all the bad actors and started building.

Big-Finding2976

I haven't bought any BCH yet but from what little I know of it, it's arguably a technically good coin that could serve a purpose. I haven't visited the BCH community yet though, so if they're as bad as you say that would definitely put me off. At this point, there are plenty of other coins offering speedy transactions, so BCH doesn't really have a USP to justify its supporters being arrogant. It's like having two shops next door to each other, both selling the same things for the same price, but one shopkeeper is really nice to potential customers, and the other one is an obnoxious offensive dick, who complains when he gets no customers and blames everyone but himself.

Squezeplay

>people running a BCH client can also transact to and from addresses/coins before 2017. False. If you run the bitcoin cash node, and send a payment to someone running older an bitcoin node, their node will not recognize the payment. But, their node will recognize a bitcoin payment from the latest bitcoin nodes. Whatever value that has, its the reason bitcoin cash isn't "real" bitcoin the way bitcoin in. Any alt coin can support another coin's address space, and alt can support bitcoin addresses, a bitcoin node will not recognize it though. >What's a reference client? And why is a client from 2013 important? There was never a generic / high level description of the bitcoin protocol, and it was just defined as whatever the original software was, that's the reference client. That contained a bug that presented in 2013, which is the only hard fork. So yes, modern bitcoin is not the original bitcoin from 2009-2013, but this is irrelevant as no one is claiming bitcoin cash is pre-2013 bitcoin either. Bitcoin cash forked of of post-2013 bitcoin and so people are claiming bitcoin cash is the "real" post-2013 bitcoin.

Alfador8

"Real" can be used to confuse users based on their expectations. Roger Ver called Btrash the "real" bitcoin and used his website to sell "bitcoin" when in reality users were buying BCH. 

themrgq

Not until I met the psychos with BCH. I still bought some but never been so close to not buying because of a community.

MichaelAischmann

You contradict yourself. You say throughput is the relevant measure and say BCH performed better than BTC. There is a reason why I listed "Transactions avg. per hour" first in the table and it clearly shows that BCH doesn't and never really has performed better than BTC.

Realistic_Fee_00001

What's a reference client? And why is a client from 2013 important? However you answer this question you will end up at the conclusion that it is people who put value on this specific feature. But it is also people that put more value into the p2p cash feature or the scaling feature. Even Satoshi suggested a hardfork to for increase the blocksize limit. Did you know that Bitcoin started out with 32MB blocks? Limiting the blocksize is tightening the consensus rules aka a SF. Increasing the blocksize limit is a widening of the rules aka a HF. I wonder why the ones that sold you L2 scaling also were the biggest cultists about not to HF. >Of course. Anyone can choose to run a bitcoin cash node, just like they may run a litecoin node, or an ethereum node, or an avalanche node. Not the same and you know it. >But if I run the latest bitcoin node, I can make payments to people running bitcoin software from 2013, and their node software will accept it. That's a circular argument if you run BTC you can make payments to BTC. But only so many people because the throughput is severely limited. It's also again a non-argument, because people running a BCH client can also transact to and from addresses/coins before 2017. Besides there are no old nodes on the network. At least non that count, because Blockstream met with miners before the fork an made sure they only run their segwit node. Know why? If miners would run pre segwit nodes, all the "everyone can spend" segwit hack coins would become spendable and the network would split. Yes, you read that right. No, in this contentious fork there are no good and bad guys. There are only people with interests. >Just no... a lot of alt coins do this where they run two nodes next to each other who rapidly send transactions to each other, and act like this is "proof" that the same throughput could be achieved in the real world between thousands of nodes distributed around the world. Another example is Solana, the centralized nodes in well connected server farms can send tens of thousands of transactions between each other, but actual end user transactions only scale to a few hundred per second before the network maxes out. Again another non-argument. Just because other chains (almost all of them PoS by the way with BSV as exception) do it that way doesn't mean BCH didn't do it right. The whole world "failed" at mobile phones until apple and their Iphone came along.

Squezeplay

Bitcoin has only hard forked once, unintentionally. In 2013, due to a bug in the previous versions that did not present until when the blocks started filling up. Since then there has never been a hard fork. If you run the reference client from 2013 it will still work with the current bitcoin chain, but not bitcoin cash. >It does not break objectivity. You cannot delegate the decision which ruleset you want to follow onto a machine. When you run a BCH node you objectively arrive at the BCH head same for BTC. Of course. Anyone can choose to run a bitcoin *cash* node, just like they may run a litecoin node, or an ethereum node, or an avalanche node. But if I run the latest bitcoin node, I can make payments to people running bitcoin software from 2013, and their node software will accept it. I don't have to convince them to go download another program that tells them my bitcoin cash payment is real even though their bitcoin node says its not. >1400 tps have been proven to work already. Just no... a lot of alt coins do this where they run two nodes next to each other who rapidly send transactions to each other, and act like this is "proof" that the same throughput could be achieved in the real world between thousands of nodes distributed around the world. Another example is Solana, the centralized nodes in well connected server farms can send tens of thousands of transactions between each other, but actual end user transactions only scale to a few hundred per second before the network maxes out.

Rhamni

It's... complicated. /r/BTC is, somewhat ironically, more about BCH than BTC. This happened because back during the block size wars /r/Bitcoin started aggressively banning anyone who argued in favour of bigger blocks/more transactions per second. So the people who wanted bigger blocks moved to /r/BTC. When the chain split, most of them vastly preferred BCH. They still discuss both, and if the day ever comes where BTC changes to bigger blocks they'll probably just shrug and become a BTC focused subreddit again, but for now it's a bit muddled.

they_have_no_bullets

If you want to know why BCH goes up before halving, the only reason is because Bitmain demands that all antminer purchases be made in bch, which causes a huge spike because everyone who needs to upgrade their miners before halving are forced to trade bitcoin for bch to buy those miners, and compared to essentially zero demand that bch normally has, this represents a huge spike in bch price.

Ok-One-265

I actually have a huge amount of my funds sitting in BCH (I was hoping for it to reach close to ATH after 1/2 years of halving). Can u please explain why u think it is a bad investment? Thanks

Realistic_Fee_00001

Well yes and no. Some things have value because of believe. Others have value because of their utility. You don't make a cult around an Iphone.... oh wait bad example 🤣🤣🤣 but Samsung phones have value without a cult. BCH value proposition is sound self custodial money. BTC can't offer that.

Realistic_Fee_00001

Agree, but Ver didn't found BCH he wasn't even in the fork or any other development. He is just a well known supporter.

Realistic_Fee_00001

>And "bitcoin cash" blocks simply do not follow that protocol. That's just the old "but an old noce doesn't sync" argument, which in itself is just an arbitrary goal to set. BTC hard forked before. A "virgin coin" argument doesn't work. In order to keep that old nodes must sync rule BTC hid parts of its consensus from older nodes, because Segwit is in its core a HF hacked into the chain as a SF. Now you tell me what value lies in hiding consensus relevant decisions from older nodes. >This issue is called objectivity and is the primary advantage bitcoin's PoW protocol has over PoS. If you are going to throw that out the window you may as well just use PoS which has massive other advantages. It does not break objectivity. You cannot delegate the decision which ruleset you want to follow onto a machine. When you run a BCH node you objectively arrive at the BCH head same for BTC. >Bitcoin cash also doesn't fundamentally solve the scaling issue, just linearly scales the base layer at the expense of node bandwidth and storage requirements. Bitcoin cash will not scale beyond a few hundreds of tps Thank goodness BCH doesn't know that. 1400 tps have been proven to work already. BTC gave up before even trying now they are stuck with a failed L2 and custodians everywhere.

Spacesider

Absolutely, and your post reminds me of the NANO community. Between the years of 2018-2020 they were here aggressively shilling it in threads that had *nothing* to do with them. For example ... one thread was about the hash rates of BCH and BSV, and there were people in that thread being like "Well who cares about that, have you guys actually heard about this coin called NANO which has no hash rate?" Everytime I saw it brought up in a thread that had nothing to do with them I disliked them more and more. But, I ended up losing all respect for the project and the community when there was a thread about people who were living in extreme poverty in the poorest countries in the world, and one of the NANO community managers came along and was saying how these people should get a NANO wallet on their phones and put their money into NANO, so they can preserve their purchasing power. Really man? You're going to shill your bags off the back of these people? They are worried about surviving and if they will be eating any food that day or that week, and you want them to fill your bags? Give me a break.

Vapourhands

The market has chosen the winner chain. 600 EH/s for Bitcoin vs 3Eh/s for BCH

JeremyBF

BCH is the baby of someone who though BTC had to bend to his will and do what he wanted. He was wrong. Look up the block size war. Look at the chart of BCH v BTC.

divinesleeper

The real answer is that big blocks cannot be used to truly scale because if you overdo it you get the orphan block latency problems Like BSV but if you just do it slightly like BCH there is no significant scaling so it's not a solution. Satoshi also changed his mind when people pointed this out and switched to ambivalent there is a coin that has solved to orphan block problem recently btw.

Whiskeywonder

Because most people in crypto know about as much about crypto as the average CNN viewer know about politics. BCH got attacked largely cause of Roger Ver the founder being a bit of a dick. But essentially big blocks is a perfectly sound proposition. Its crypto identity politics essentially.

DangerHighVoltage111

>7 years the "Ferrari" is continuously falling further back Not true. The Ferrari gets uppgraded and the last two years it performed better than the biker. >Layered blockchain architecture is where it's at. Just like with computers: Operating Systems run on BIOS, programs run on operating systems, extensions run on programs. You don't want your BIOS to do everything, you want it to be stable and reliable. Sorry if I laugh, but the arguments get weirder every time. Last time it was scaling in layers like the internet (which is false btw) now it is computers? All networks scale throughput on their most basic layer. For the internet that is the physical layer. Funny thing is BCH isn't even against L2. It just doesn't accept to cripple L1 FOR the sake of L2s All networks are "kicking down the can" it's their most basic way of operating, staying ahead of demand. That's why we first had modems that docked onto your telephone. Then modems direct to your landline. Then DSL now fiber.

MichaelAischmann

7 years the "Ferrari" is continuously falling further back. 7 years BCH enthusiast highlighted "potential". 7 years they've fallen short of their own expectation because they still believe the base layer needs to do everything. Layered blockchain architecture is where it's at. Just like with computers: Operating Systems run on BIOS, programs run on operating systems, Extensions run on programs. You don't want your BIOS to do everything, you want it to be stable and reliable.

DangerHighVoltage111

Best by what? Gains over 10 years? BTC. Gains over 2 years? BCH. p2p cash? BCH. Scalable Defi? BCH.

DangerHighVoltage111

>If you bagholders gave a single damn about Satoshi you’d accept Bitcoin cash cannot be Bitcoin because bcash chain does not have the most accumulated PoW. It doesn’t even have 1%. That is how Satoshi said to determine the “real chain” to follow. If you valued Satoshi you would understand his concepts. Nakamoto Consensus can only decide between blocks in a given ruleset. As soon as multiple rulesets exist it is only you who can decide which one you value. Most people got tricked into thinking hashrate is all that counts. And granted in 2017 it wasn't clear if BTC wouldn't find a scaling solution. But it is 2024 BTCs scaling solution failed miserable while BCH has demonstrate great scaling potential. >Bcash is a totally failed experiment. Bcash can be wiped off the map by a tiny fraction of BTC hashrate. Everyone laughs at you because you won’t accept reality and you are full of it. You don’t care about satoshi or Bitcoin. You care about pumping your bags. If you would take 5 min to look into more that price you would realize that bCash is actually thriving hard with a lot of development and death set on point to provide sound self custodial money to the masses. >Very few are falling for this scam and your hollow arguments in 2024. It’s over. Not a single payment crypto has succeeded. All go to 0 against BTC and BTC does more payments than all of them, even with higher fees. 1984 voice intensifies: "bCash is dead DO NOT look at it"

DangerHighVoltage111

BCH had a massive slander campaign and most maxis selling their BCH against them. But I think most cryptos have this problem. Here are some interesting stats: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/ERD-diagram-for-Bitcoin-Like-Cryptocurrencies_fig3_357196737

anonymouscitizen2

1mb blocks are not obsolete, with segwit there was an weight increase to 4mb and “small block” bitcoin is currently the most popular crypto for payments and saving (excl. stables) by far. Small block Bitcoin is doing phenomenally well, “large block” (which still couldn’t come close to global scale) is dead in a ditch. BSV, BCH, and XEC are all <1% of Bitcoin COMBINED. You can choose to use BCH, BSV or whatever you want, stop trying to force others. Your ideas are so bad they have destroyed 99% of everyones value who believed them, 3x in a row. Bitcoin was meant to be saved, thats why it has a hard cap and is hard to produce. Thats why satoshi compares it to gold. You need to simply need to face reality. Crypto as cash is not popular, the market does not want it. A crypto savings vehicle is 10000000x more popular and people want it. Its that simple. Use BCH if you want and lose more value, just stop trying to sabotage the Bitcoin that is actually useful and popular and make it another useless -99% fork.

DangerHighVoltage111

The winner writes the histroy. Maxis got the branding and the media attention. Their version stuck. Most people have no idea what BCH developed over the last 7 years and how it compares no against BTCs failed scaling solution. But it seems the tide is shifting.

px403

They are completely different currencies built for different target audiences. BTC used to be great for things like buying coffee, and e-commerce, etc but around 2015 some of the developers thought that those use cases weren't worth holding on to, and abandoned them, which is where BCH eventually picked up. Now BTC is for banks and BCH is for buying shit, and that's fine. Digital gold vs digital copper. I use both frequently for their intended purpose, as well as Ethereum, and some assets on Cosmos. They all have their place, and certain markets that they excel at. This is fine.

am-i-a-peepee

1T in BTC, 10B in BCH (idk what the actual numbers are, I’m not checking). Market aays BTC wins

MoarWhisky

The majority of people don’t care about the technicals. BCH is a fine blockchain, but it’s not BTC. That’s it. We’ve seen plenty of technically superior products in history that failed, not because they were bad, they just lost the popularity contest.

tofubeanz420

Storage is cheap and gets cheaper every year. You can still easily run a BCH node today. That argument is just flat out wrong.

tofubeanz420

The market speaks everyday. And BCH is up 140% compared to btc 60% YTD.

PotentialAny1869

Don't worry about the noise. Anything BTC can do, BCH can do better. The more irrational hate it gets, the more bullish I get. Also, check out Roger Vers new book if you haven't alredy.