BCH

No-Masterpiece2246

So, use a pool! duh You're staking with a trusted 3rd party anyway. Running an ETH validator is 100x harder than running a BTC or BCH node.

AD1AD

Quantumroot was described by Jason Dreyzehner in 2025, using the features that would activate in 2026 (Loops and Functions): https://blog.bitjson.com/quantumroot/ It hasn't been added to any mainnet wallets yet as far as I know, but it's in development. BCH's VM supports post-quantum cryptography today, it's just a matter of time before it makes its way into popular wallets. ZK shielded pools and shielded transactions have been implemented and demonstrated on testnet: https://x.com/toorik/status/2081709580854153440 https://x.com/0zkBrewer/status/2094875435511193911 Similarly, I don't think they have made their way into any mainnet wallets yet, but it's just a matter of time. 0zkbrewer is working on private tokens on BCH too.

xcrunner2414

“…Real world expectations…” \-You mean, *your* expectations 🤣 Dude, you are totally not even in the right ballpark on what you’re asserting. I’ve been a Bitcoiner for 9 years, I’ve never owned BCH, and I think bigger blocks is a f\*cking retarded way to scale Bitcoin. The site is as useful as you make it. You can set your own assumptions and settings (within those that are made available in the Assumptions and Advanced Settings). It’s just a f\*cking calculator, bro—it’s as useful as you make it. If you use a calculator to get the wrong answer on a test, it’s not because the calculator is wrong, it’s because YOU got something wrong. Geez, people are really sensitive about their Bitcoin expectations 🙄

ComasArentFun

Dude, if I need to fanny around with arcane parameters to get somewhere close to actual real world expectation, it's nothing short of fantasy economics and moving goalposts to arrive at a number the user is happy with, which is by definition useless If I go to my pension planner, and I could just straight up lie about everything to make it sound like I can retire tomorrow, reality wouldn't reflect that (which is why their sites rely on your assets and realistic projections) - your site has the opposite problem. I'm not sure if you have totally vibed the entire thing without understanding the core concept of why BTC matters, and how it works, or this is an "Anti-BTC" attempt with a vague handwave at some flawed data to project a veneer of legitimacy. Honestly, I've seen both many many times so it's a coin flip as far as I'm concerned. Roger Ver? Is that you? Is there another site that tells me why BCH is the better alternative and I can retire on a fraction of the upfront costs?

ComasArentFun

ASI is a lie. Don't fall for the bait.. think of it as a the BCH to BTC AI is a tool. BTC is a tool - both only as good as the application it's applied to (BTC > AI btw.. just to be clear. AI promotes inflation and wealth inequality, BTC seeks to bridge it) BCH was a fabricated lie pretending to do more than the tool it replicated. ASI is the same The ASI branding is just AI with a new hat on..

jawni

>They have the first mover advantage for DeFi. EVM chains had full programability at launch, while UTXO chains didn't get comparable programability until many years later. And that doesn't make you hesitant at all to see UTXO be completely supplanted by other models? > But again, even if you think that that's a relatively small number, remember that the EVM/account model still has the most infrastructure, tooling, and network effect. Well it is fairly objectively insignificant, whether by the raw small number, or measured by the success of those few UTXO chains. And yeah, *now* the other methods have the most infrastructure and tooling but that wasn't always the case. I mean, if Vitalik knew the benefits of UTXO back then and still chose to go another route for Ethereum, what does that tell you? And yes, Ethereum is exploring UTXO-**style** features, but like I've explained already to the Cardano maxis, it doesn't exactly make me think "UTXO = right, accounts = bad" when the blog referenced literally says "*This property is worth borrowing, and Ethereum can have it without giving up accounts*. For payment workloads that do not need persistent state, native UTXOs bring the permanent state usage down by roughly 99.8%." >Cardano (which did manage to beat BCH to the UTXO DeFi punch by a couple of years) has an even more impressive $68.75M total TVL. >Both are in the top 100 TVL chains, BCH at #87 and Cardano at #35. Throughout all of crypto, there is roughly $100,000,000,000 TVL, even if you want to generously say $100m is in UTXO chains, that's only 0.1%. UTXO went from virtually 100% market share of usage, to less than 1%(pretty much no matter how you measure it) and the way it's trending is that if it exists at all it will only be supplementary on chains that are natively based in other models. Good luck to Bitcoin Cash and any other UTXO chains, not sure what market they think they can eventually take, but they've been losing market share in all of them for a decade now.

Reasonable_Ad5611

BCH, Doge, Tron, Chainlink, Shiba Inu, Litecoin, Avalanche, and Bytecoin and more.

AD1AD

> Except the "bad" chains all came after UTXO chains were already established... the opposite is far more true, UTXO chains should have had first mover advantage. They have the first mover advantage **for DeFi**. EVM chains had full programability at launch, while UTXO chains didn't get comparable programability until many years later. > Why do you think we don't see any new blockchains using UTXO if it's supposedly so superior? Or not even just "new" chains, we haven't really seen any in the last decade. We do. -Kaspa -Fuel Network (ETH L2) -Quai (Has a duel EVM/UTXO system) -Alephium ("Stateful UTXO") -Midnight (Again, UTXO + EVM-like thing for contracts) -Aleo ("Records" model, effectively UTXO) -Iron Fish ("Notes" model, again effectively UTXO) Even ETH is considering incorporating UTXO architecture to help it scale. > We want Ethereum to have the best of UTXO-style state, dynamic state, and everything in between, allowing the great majority of Ethereum's activity to be hyperscaled without sacrifice to decentralization, ease of node running and censorship resistance. https://x.com/VitalikButerin/status/2088995690567671968 But again, even if you think that that's a relatively small number, remember that the EVM/account model still has the most infrastructure, tooling, and network effect. You don't see the better platform explode into success the moment it's built. It still needs businesses and users to adopt it and prove its superiority. > Because right now there isn't a single UTXO chain that is really being adopted at any significant level beyond just doing transfers and being a SoV. You get to decide what's "significant" to you, but BCH (which, again, only got its programability at the protocol level in recent years, and so is playing catch-up with infrastructure, tooling, and network effect) has reached over $1M TVL on its first DEX (cualdron.quest), and $1M TVL on the algorithmic over-collateralized stablecoin ParyonUSD. The chain's total TVL listed by DeFi Llama is $8.5M. Cardano (which did manage to beat BCH to the UTXO DeFi punch by a couple of years) has an even more impressive $68.75M total TVL. Both are in the top 100 TVL chains, BCH at #92 and Cardano at #35. > Seems like the market is ripe for a next gen UTXO chain, which you claim is the right choice, and is overly saturated with EVM/accounts model chains, which are supposedly the wrong choice. Yes! > Every project is incentivized to say their design choices are the optimal ones, but what I think really validates those opinions is amount of competition you see settling on the same design choices and the amount of building and subsequently the amount of usage you see on them. Well, you only see that indicator lag behind the success of the first movers. I expect to see it too. The same way the "EVM" was copy-pasted by a thousand chains so that they could take advantage of ETH's infrastructure and tooling, a sign of success for BCH will be new chains launching with a copy of the CashVM. Funny enough, I was talking to someone in r/cryptocurrency about how powerful the CashTokens upgrade was for BCH, and how tokens are more than just assets, they're the cross-contract communication and state-tracking tools that make UTXO DeFi possible, and they were like "Oh you mean like Radiant?" I looked into Radiant and found that they had blatantly ripped off Jason Dreyzeher's CashTokens proposal! I'm all for open source and learning from each other, but the fact that they launched a whole chain based on a single BitcoinCash upgrade without attribution is at least a little telling. https://radiantblockchain.org/radiant.pdf

mysomica

Haha, you just want people to come in and tell you that you did good holding that BCH bag for all these years rather than buying and holding the real deal. Good luck with it, you'll need it!

fan_of_hakiksexydays

I'll upvote you for putting the effort and sharing some real info. It's nice to have these upgrades, but what's the point if hardly anyone is using BCH for payment. There's not a whole lot here that's exceptional. It's a lot of similar stuff other chains have already been doing.

AD1AD

Interesting list. It's worth noting that, while BitcoinCash has arguably been playing catch-up with regards to its programmability compared to EVM and account-based chains, those chains have similarly been trying to play catch-up with regards to their scalability compared to UTXO chains like BCH. But there is a hard ceiling for scaling account-based chains. They simply do not scale like UTXO chains. Transaction validation on UTXO chains is highly parallelizable (meaning they can take advantage of however many cores your CPU has, be it 8 or 800), while EVM chains are forced to be mostly single-threaded. (You can do some predictive branching when validating on EVM, but that will never come close to actual parallelization, as I understand it.) So while a bunch of the chains listed have probably done what looks like a bunch of valuable upgrades over the years, often they're actually just fighting against their own architecture in a losing battle while adding technical debt that will need to be maintained forever. Even Cardano's eUTXO model ("extended UTXO") apparently borrowed some global-state concepts from EVM chains to enable its smart features, which largely defeats the point if you're trying to reach global scale.

CoinRabbitFinance

Hey! CashTokens and the VM upgrades are meaningful, but adoption will depend on whether wallets, liquidity and applications make them convenient for ordinary users. BCH already has some utility beyond payments and trading. Using it as collateral for a crypto-backed loan on a platform such as CoinRabbit is one example. Native BCH applications could add another reason to hold and use it, but sustained activity will be more convincing than the number of technical features alone.

alterise

> real cryptocurrencies that are mined using proof of work like BTC, BCH, SOL, etc one of these is not like the others.

Glittering_Pick_9738

Litecoin pumping, USD pumping, BCH pumping. It's officially over.

jawni

>Which other chains in the top 50 are shipping high-value upgrades every year? I asked chatGPT just because I ain't about to start researching every L1s 5 year history and it did agree with BCH being relatively strong amongst the 10 L1s that it thought qualified. I asked some follow-up questions that kind of addressed my criticisms, got a pretty comprehensive overview that I honestly think is pretty accurate. It went by the criteria I quoted, and those rankings I'll post, then it weighted based on potential niches and market shares they could target, then last it was weighted on probability. Here is the link to the full convo: [https://chatgpt.com/share/6ab46760-af68-83ea-81cb-49b365ba50ac](https://chatgpt.com/share/6ab46760-af68-83ea-81cb-49b365ba50ac) Here is what it said: >My overall ordering >Ethereum >Avalanche >Bitcoin Cash >Polkadot >Solana >Tezos >Stellar >BNB Smart Chain >Sui >Cardano >The biggest thing that changed my view after using your BCH framework is Bitcoin Cash's position. If you merely read "BCH gets one hard fork every May," it can sound incremental. When you instead ask what can developers do after the upgrade that they couldn't realistically do before, the 2022–2026 sequence is unusually substantive. It isn't five years of parameter adjustments: it's a fairly deliberate progression toward a dramatically more expressive UTXO smart-contract platform. >And if I changed the weighting to emphasize consistency + new use cases more heavily while giving less weight to the magnitude of any single upgrade, I'd probably move BCH to #2 and Tezos above Solana. Ethereum would still be #1 because the accumulated impact of Merge → blobs → PeerDAS → account improvements is simply unusually broad. This was the final rankings when taking into account everything: >If I had to attach **very rough probability-adjusted relative scores**, where 100 represents the strongest combination of plausible adoption × resulting tokenomic impact—not expected investment returns—I'd put them around: |Token|Probability-adjusted score| |:-|:-| |**SOL**|**88**| |**ETH**|**86**| |**BNB**|**80**| |**SUI**|**72**| |**AVAX**|**66**| |**BCH**|**58**| |**XLM**|**48**| |**DOT**|**45**| |**ADA**|**42**| |**XTZ**|**35**| >The really interesting comparison to me is **BCH vs. SUI vs. AVAX**. >BCH might have **greater token-price sensitivity if its thesis succeeds**, because the supply is almost entirely issued and its existing economic base is comparatively small. >SUI has a **much more probable route to extremely high transaction/state activity**. >AVAX has perhaps the **cleanest infrastructure-level recurring token-demand mechanism**, but requires sovereign/app-specific chains to become a major architecture. >So I'd characterize them as: >**SUI = best probability/upside balance.** **AVAX = strongest infrastructure monetization thesis.** **BCH = largest potential surprise relative to current expectations.** >That distinction is much more useful than simply saying one has “better tokenomics.”

AD1AD

I at least half agree with your sentiment that upgrades mean nothing unless they unlock or improve usage. Valuable upgrades certainly are a *prerequisite* for that usage becoming real, though. The fact that, because of these upgrades, BCH now supports extremely scalable DeFi, zero-knowledge privacy, and post-quantum cryptography is bullish for the ecosystem, even before the features get built into apps. But sure, it only matters in the long run if those features get built and they attract users/volume. I disagree with your claim that you could do this for any chain. Which other chains in the top 50 are shipping high-value upgrades every year? How many of them are hard-coding specific functions into the protocol, instead of building general tools that allow for innovation to occur at the app layer? How many of them actually have decentralized governance, not a VC backed committee that speeds things up in the short term but opens them up to capture in the long term?

AD1AD

This example is, if I understand it correctly, using a tech called "Stealth addresses" (also used by Monero) where you can't tell which address money actually got sent to. BCH's recent upgrades have made it powerful enough that you don't need to add new "features" to the blockchain itself to build privacy solutions as powerful as Monero or ZCash, or to implement post-quantum cryptography. They just need to be built/implemented using the BCH virtual machine. That's what's happening now.

AD1AD

Who here is still ignoring BCH? Post-quantum zero-knowledge privacy tech already working on testnet. https://x.com/0zkBrewer/status/2101964177476645187

No-Masterpiece2246

Stablecoins are irrelevant to cryptocurrency markets. They're controlled by the same old regulated intermediaries as banking. They can be tracked, taxd, stolen, and frozen by governments. Stick with real cryptocurrencies that are mined using proof of work like BTC, BCH, SOL, etc. Or use privacy coins that are mined like XMR.

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AutomaticOne7

CME just announced its plans to launch regulated BCH futures, send it to $1000

etha_an41

Because most people are too busy hyping other chains to notice BCH quietly shipping useful features.

MelangeBot

Electron cash is the most advanced bitcoin wallet on the market. You can encrypt messages with it, sign message. you can make m to n addresses, you can set up timelocks, you can ad message to your transactions and even small files, you can create your own tokens with it, mix your BCH using cashfusion, you can even lock your coins in a smart contract to lock their USD value in place with bchbull. If the price of your BCH goes down, then the amount of BCH in your contract increases. And all completely decentralised without any exchange going offlin or getting hacked. Super low risk, not depending on anybody.

aaj094

Back in April 2020, BCH was around $200 with bch's halving coming up first and btc was around 5k. So ratio 0.04. BCH shills were shouting hoarse how it was obvious that BCH had a better 10x potential while BTC doing that was pure hopium (remember the context when toilet paper was considered of more value by some than BTC because of lockdown). The ratio went from 0.04 to 0.002. Now with this latest pump, the shills will come out with the same pitch as last time, just with different numbers.

thebigweb

BCH...up 30%

aaj094

Folks, there is 'demand' in the market for BCH. Did you hear that? 'dEmAnD'

anon1971wtf

fiat - XMR hops / BCH CashFusion - BTC long-term - XMR hops / BCH CashFusion - fiat. Plenty of places to exchange crypto to crypto without providing anything or just with a temporary email

anon1971wtf

That's depends on security threshold. Currently for Bitcoin: 800 equivalent quadrillion Joules and 1000 equivalent SHA256b Proof-of-Work days For comparison: BCH is 30x or even less secure and still no one is amassing capital to attack it, not even double FUD + 51% attack

KREIJO

Pro tip. Don’t. If your opinion is to hold for two years you’ll either make a little and get out or be stuck holding a bag. Either crypto is the future or it isn’t. Throw in what’s your okay to loose and hold it for 10 - 20 years. If it works out you’ll be rich. I’m holding BTC, SOL, DOGE, BCH, Zcash, and $pep. Good luck!

JDSttark

BCH -12%, what happen?

jaimewarlock

I would stick with BCH (Bitcoin Cash). It was used by Nythyria (Massive Multiplayer Online Dungeon Crawler) and had near instant deposits. Nythyria switched to using Glitter on the CashToken network for legal reasons, but it still has near instant deposits and withdrawals for transactions less than a $100.

Crypto-Bets

You’re just another illiterate who got scammed into investing in a Bitcoin Fork under the guise that it is “The Real Bitcoin”. BCH & ZEC maxi’s are the most insufferable.

No-Masterpiece2246

But on the flipside, the global monetary order is being disrupted as we speak. Fiat electronic currencies are in a crisis, and trust in banking is at lows. Central banks print like wildfire and inflation is running away. That's why gold is almost $5k/oz still. Crypto may be overvalued, but every day it gains more users. This increases network effect, which increases the utility of crypto. Mainstream acceptance also creates more trust. Each time governments and the bankers convulse and try to limit crypto adoption, they create more pain for normal people who just want to make money and life comfortably spending what they've earned. Ramping up all of these identity features to banking is making it worse and worse to use. Who wants to do biometrics and have their face scanned every time they buy something? It's idiotic. But this is their vision which is being enacted in China, EU, and USA. Crypto represents and alternative. Bitcoin BTC is probably capped out at $100k since Wall Street is now speculating on it and more or less controlling the price. When they profit they lessen opportunity for other investors and hamper the coin from having more organic growth. That's why other coins like SOL, ETH, XMR and BCH are running.

No-Masterpiece2246

Why even use any Layer 2 tech? Just use any blockchain validated via proof of work. BCH, XMR, DOGE, LTC, etc all work fine and their fees don't go to the moon. Same thing with ERC20 tokens (similar to Layer 2s), they're 99% shitcoins. Just use native ETH or ETC.

LovelyDayHere

> But anyways, increasing the block size is also only a small part of the solution to scaling. Which is why BCH addressed not only blocksize limit, but all the other parts you mentioned. https://minisatoshi.cash/upgrade-history

LovelyDayHere

> At this point, people would be better off holding their BTC on an exchange, as it's the only viable scaling method Bitcoin has. Lies. Bitcoin scales, and it did since 2017. The working, scaling peer to peer electronic cash system is called BitcoinCash (BCH) and still doesn't require centralized solutions or L2's with further problems.

roctac

BCH

roctac

It still exists with BCH

ICantWatchYouDoThis

There was a redditor here who sent me 50 USD in BCH back in the day, just because I praised crypto. It was wild. I thanked him and that was that. Too bad I put it in margin trading and lost all of that 🥲

ContentBlackberry0

So use bitcoin what the big deal. Well as least the lightning network or BCH as I wouldn’t wait around 10-15 minutes for a block to confirm.

digital__bits

Yeah, that's why each one has their own unique properties. Regarding usage, actually BCH has an increasing number of users in Tacloban, PH, and dozens in Argentina. On the other side, Monero usage is more niche but is not limited only to the dark markets. There are legal alternatives like xmrbazaar. The idea of Bitcoin is not to replace cash, is to give an alternative for people to transact freely without permissions. Let me ask you this, then: what’s your favorite/preferred crypto?

IInsulince

What did you expect was going to happen? Do the same thing in a BCH sub, see what happens.

PropaneInMuhUrethra

BCH doesn't have any of the properties of monero...it's just a fork of bitcoin. Still 10 min blocks, same emissions and halving schedule. It's got the capacity for many more txn in a block than bitcoin yeah, but it has never been utilized. So for the same reason bitcoin can't replace cash, BCH won't either. Monero is slightly better with 2 min block times but you still get the odd bad luck with no blocks for around 10 mins or so. It's much better for privacy which is the selling point for people who use it.

digital__bits

That Mashable piece does not support what you first claimed. The article describes one consensus bug in Bitcoin ABC 0.17.0, found in April 2018 by Cory Fields (a Bitcoin Core developer). He disclosed it privately and anonymously. Bitcoin ABC patched it (0.17.1) and published an incident report on 7 May 2018. There is no record that the bug was exploited or that users lost funds because of it. What the bug actually was: a refactor of signature-verification code omitted a check on a sighash bit (0x20). A crafted transaction could have been accepted by ABC 0.17.0 and rejected by other implementations, which could have caused an unintended chain split. That is a serious class of defect. It is not evidence of “periodic attacks” that “cause people to lose money.” Mashable’s headline is editorial (“does the right thing,” “nice move”). The underlying facts come from Fields’ own write-up and ABC’s report. Those sources confirm discovery, responsible disclosure, and a fix before exploitation. They do not confirm theft, repeated attacks, or realized losses. Two separate events are often mixed in: 1. This 2018 SIGHASH issue in BCH/ABC — patched, not exploited. 2. CVE-2018-17144 (September 2018) — an inflation/DoS bug inherited from Bitcoin Core, found by a BCH-ecosystem developer and reported to Bitcoin Core. Also patched; no known inflation on mainnet. Bitcoin Classic is a different project from years earlier. It is not Bitcoin Cash. Price speculation around Classic does not document a recurring BCH exploit that emptied wallets. If you have a specific incident with dates, transaction IDs, or an official post-mortem showing user losses from a protocol flaw in Bitcoin Cash, share that. The Mashable link does not establish periodic attacks or realized losses.

Secret_Operative

RIP my friends stack that went all-in on BCH and abandoned Bitcoin back in the day. 

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Unable_Beat_3194

Or it will just fork like it did when BCH happened.

DiamondHandsDarrell

I mean keep buying whatever coins you want while I'm taking gains with a cost basis of $0. 00. BCH is a fork and is commensurate in value with its utility. Everyone else is late to the party trying to dethrone the king. Even ETH can't compare. To me they're all comparable to squid coin. Again, BTC can adapt to the needs of enough people will it. But until that's the case, waiting 5 to 10 minutes for my transactions to go through is not a problem. When I first sent BTC to an exchange I didn't have to pay any fees whatsoever. Now I do. So it will continue to adapt and everyone else will continue to be forgotten in history.

Ninjanoel

so you didn't answer the question, and you brought up irrelevant price information. Do you know what one says about a cake with shit in it? I'll give you a hint, one doesn't say "it has a lot going for it". 7 tps is shit. your assertion that they can just increase the tps doesn't match with history, because that's why BCH exists, that's what happens when you try increase the tps.

MajorAnamika

So you buy BCH with dollars (or your local currency), and then use that BCH to buy goods. Why not skip a step and buy goods with dollars? If you want anonymity for illegal purchases, then Monero seems to be the better option. And your earlier claim of no middlemen seems dubious, given that you need Gemini and you need to pay miners to keep the network going.

ThatBCHGuy

More often than you'd think actually, heh. I got into crypto (well btc) back in 2011, so mtgox, bitinstant, etc. Today I usually buy through gemini, but only deal with BCH and never sell through there, I've only ever bought since I spend and replace, or just save. Let's just say this article got me interested in the first place. https://www.gawkerarchives.com/the-underground-website-where-you-can-buy-any-drug-imag-30818160

OrangePillar

They are software forks, not forks of the network. Only BCH shares any blockchain history with BTC. With the amount of investment in BTC coming from institutions and businesses, I don’t see how any of the other related projects would have an upside better than BTC. And the price chart reflects it.

quintavious_danilo

I always thought BCH is a direct hard fork of BTC?

SnideyM

Just found this after a little digging, copy/pasting someone's comment on another thread about a year ago: **\[Response: How Do Hard Forks Work for Cryptocurrency on a Ledger?\]** Hey [u/AnonymousReddit0r995](https://www.reddit.com/user/AnonymousReddit0r995/)! Great question about how hard forks work with ETH and BTC on your Ledger, especially since you’re a casual user wondering about long-term storage and tax implications. I’ll break it down clearly based on the latest 2025 info. #LedgerSupport # 1. How Hard Forks Work on Ledger When a cryptocurrency like ETH or BTC forks (e.g., ETH to ETH Classic in 2016, or BTC to Bitcoin Cash in 2017), it creates a new blockchain with a split from the original. If you hold these on a Ledger during a fork: * **Automatic Split**: Your Ledger stores the private keys, and the new forked coin is technically yours based on your balance at the snapshot block. However, Ledger doesn’t automatically display or manage these new coins—you need to take action. * **Ledger’s Role**: Ledger supports major coins (ETH, BTC) natively, but forked assets (e.g., BCH, ETC) require manual updates or third-party wallet integration. The device itself holds the keys; the Ledger Live app needs to be updated to recognize the fork. # 2. Do You Get the Forked Coins Automatically? No, they don’t just “appear” in your wallet. Here’s why: * **Update Required**: Ledger waits for the community or fork developers to release a compatible app or integration. For example, after the BTC/BCH fork, Ledger added BCH support in Ledger Live v1.4.0 (2017). You’d need to install the forked coin’s app (e.g., Bitcoin Cash app) via Ledger Live’s Manager. * **Claim Process**: Some forks (e.g., Bitcoin SV) require claiming via a third-party wallet (like Electron Cash) using your Ledger’s recovery phrase. This involves exporting your public address and following fork-specific instructions—check the official fork website. * **Your Case**: Since you’ve never gotten anything, it’s likely no major forks (e.g., ETH 2.0 merge wasn’t a fork) hit your holdings, or you missed the update window. Past forks like ETC or BCH had 6-12 month claim periods. # 3. Long-Term Storage Implications * **Safety**: Your coins are safe on Ledger as long as your 24-word recovery phrase is secure. Forks don’t affect the original coins unless you move them. * **Action Needed**: If a fork happens, monitor crypto news (e.g., CoinDesk, X) and Ledger’s blog (ledger.com/blog). Unclaimed forks can lose value over time—e.g., Bitcoin Gold dropped 90% post-2017. * **2025 Note**: Ledger’s latest firmware (2.5.0) improves multi-coin support, but manual claiming is still standard for forks. # 4. Tax Reporting: Have You Overlooked Fork Income? Yes, you might have, and it’s a common oversight for casual users. In many countries (e.g., US, UK): * **Taxable Event**: Receiving forked coins is considered income based on their market value at the snapshot time. For example, if BCH was $300 during the 2017 fork, that’s your taxable amount. * **Reporting**: You’d report this on your taxes (e.g., IRS Form 8949 in the US) even if unclaimed. Since you didn’t know, check past fork dates (e.g., BCH: Aug 1, 2017; ETC: Jul 20, 2016) and their values then. Consult a tax pro—tools like Koinly can help reconstruct. * **Ledger’s Stance**: They don’t notify you of tax obligations; it’s on you to track. # 5. What to Do Now * **Check Fork History**: Look up ETH/BTC forks since you bought (e.g., BCH, BSV, ETC) on blockchain explorers (blockchair.com) using your public address. * **Update Ledger Live**: Ensure you’re on the latest version (v2.58.0, 2025) and install any missing fork apps. * **Secure Your Phrase**: Test your 24-word recovery on a new device to confirm access—don’t risk losing unclaimed forks. * **Tax Prep**: Review 2016-2025 for forks and amend past returns if needed. You’re not alone in this confusion—forks can be tricky! Did you buy during a known fork period? Let’s figure it out together! #LedgerForks *Edit: Generic links as placeholders; data reflects 2025 trends. Not financial or tax advice, just guidance!* !

jekpopulous2

I don't hold DOGE or any other memecoins but that inflation is the chains security budget. Perpetual block rewards ensure miners are permanently incentivized to validate transactions and secure the network without relying solely on transaction fees. Compare that to other POW chains where minors get diminishing returns until they're not even worth mining anymore. That inflation is the main reason that DOGE is still alive after all these years while LTC, BCH, ETC, DASH, etc... are all on life support. I'm not advocating for DOGE it's a useless coin but the best thing about it is that it's inflationary. It keeps the network secure and the supply doesn't matter anyway because it's a meme and nobody cares about the fundamentals.

roctac

BCH isn't even 10 years old

404eol

But with wrong info about the block size. It IS a problem with decentralization. If the block size gets bigger and supports 500 TPS, that would add roughly 2–4 TB to the blockchain PER YEAR, and you would need dedicated hardware for the nodes, which would have to be more powerful. So there is no possibility for the same level of decentralization, since fewer people would be able to run a full node. This was already discussed and considered bad for Bitcoin during the "Blocksize Wars." Bitcoin is good as it is now. Miner fees will become more relevant long before the year 2140 because the block reward gets smaller with every halving, but there are still many decades to see how the BTC price, fees, mining efficiency and difficulty adjustment balance this out. There is no reason to sacrifice decentralization now for a problem that can be observed and solved over time. And after the fork, the market clearly chose BTC over BCH.

roctac

Well put together website. But they literally just describe BCH as a solution. No need to fix anything when Bitcoin Cash already exists.

liquid_at

The issue you seem to ignore is that LTC is not the only currency out there. Bitcoin is the only artifical-pump-asset that has a high enough market cap to be considered crypto gold. Even in the upper ranks of Crypto, LTC has XRP, Doge and BCH compete as pure payment solutions, while ETH, SOL and TRX also provide functional payment solutions. Even Bitcoin, with the lightning protocol, competes against LTC here. And before the haters come in, this is by no means a qualitative statement. Just that when you want to go for crypto gold, you have bitcoin, bitcoin and bitcoin, while going for payment solutions, there are much more options. You will never find a high concentration like in Bitcoin, in a single one of them.

DangerHighVoltage111

P2p cash is the only real use case that matters. BTC got hijacked and crippled. p2p cash continues on BCH and XMR.

pcaveney

Host is very fiat gainz minded but glad to see people sharing BCH & excited about it!

crisp_lynx_370

BCH really does feel slept on. curious to see what they say about smart contracts on there

S1eeper

It's not remotely like BCH or BSV. It will be as opposite of those things as a Bitcoin fork can possibly be. Both of those were about increasing the blocksize and enabling more garbage to fill the chain. This fork will do the opposite, close OP\_RETURN loopholes and restrict what can go on the chain even moreso than the main chain, much less those two forks.

No-Masterpiece2246

Knots is hot garbage just like Core. Look at Cardano or Solana code. It's a big world out there. Bitcoin has been maligned, hijacked, and rehypothecated. It's fine to be idealistic about crypto, I share your enthusiasm. But try to be objective about the facts on the ground. Get your Bitcoin off that Lightning node before it gets hacked. Read up on BCH and I think you'll see the development happening there (BCH Node, Electron Cash, CashFusion, etc) exceeds BTC Core by 100x. Blockstream isn't innovating and Core is a bunch of pencil pushers.

Coiiiiiiiii

The fact you think I *must* form my opinions based on what youtubers tell me is why im saying youre projecting your ignorance. Ok lets rewind to the bch fork Some people think (incorrectly) that blocks need to be bigger. They do what they can to convince others of the same, as you say. So they change some code and fork. Now I own both btc and bch. If there was some big miner/exchange/whale effort to crash the value of one I still have the other, so i havnt really lost any value. Same with BTG, BSV, etc. Also, notice that every hardfork is a sloppy fix for an issue bitcoin faces, it tries to fix a problem but introduces tradeoffs that arent worth it, or are at the very least, not obviously worth it. These hardforks are usually pushed by some personality. All hardforks are otp-in, which means it everyone who is pro-fork vs every who is anti, neutral, hesitant, and simply uninformed. Objective upgrades like segwit, taproot are soft-forks because  1. They upgrade with network with little to no tradeoffs 2. They are backwards compatable. Back in august 2017 chosing BCH could cost you everything (if you decided to sell btc, thinking its inferior) choosing to use segwit or not cost nothing, if you like it you can keep it, if not go back to pre-segwit addresses Same with taproot Good bitcoin upgrades take time, lots of smart people try to figure out how to upgrade the network in the most effecient, backwards compatible way possible. Hardforks are simple ideas pushed by people with egos that blind them from the reality that their idea sucks and only "narrative followers" instead of people that think for themselves will join them. 

digital__bits

You can use Bitcoin Cash. It is super useful, with low fees and practically no confirmation needed for in-person purchases because of 0-conf. For online purchases, I recommend you to wait for the normal confirmation process. BCH has a technology called Double Spend Proofs (DSP) that notifies if someone is trying to spend the same output but two times. If you want I can recommend you Bitcoin Cash wallets if you need so.

Nice_Material_2436

I'm using "they" as a placeholder. How am I supposed to know which Youtube channels you're watching? It's not like you stumbled upon Bitcoin yourself, someone must have orange pilled you. What's wrong with "favorite fork"? Some people prefer BCH over BTC so yeah the concept of a favorite fork exists.

MiningDave

Is it coming? Yes. Will you be able to claim coins? Yes. Will they be worth anything? Probably not. Will there be legit exchanges that support it. Also, probably not. BCH had a lot of people with a lot of money behind it. This one does not. Just my view I could be wrong.

DangerHighVoltage111

I added more direct links, gonna cry? BTC was irrelevant in the beginning, then it wasn't. Then it got hijacked. The point is p2p cash is not irrelevant and it is worth fighting for. On BTC you do not fight for p2p cash anymore, so it is actually irrelevant contrary to BCH and maybe XMR.

DangerHighVoltage111

BTC is mostly used custodial on LN. That's neither sound nor original. Satoshi is a Big Blocker. BCH is probably our only chance for sound p2p cash. Maybe XMR the second.

UAP44

>But we are here for sound p2p cash and only BCH provides that.  BCH is not the only one, but BTC *definitely* isn't.

UAP44

>BTC is the original sound money invention Until it was turned into digital *gold* instead of *money*. >BCH is just sad cope This isn't even an argument. This is just mindless ridicule.

never_safe_for_life

Nothing because it’s never gonna happen. BTC is the original sound money invention. BCH is just sad cope

DangerHighVoltage111

Welp I'm not mainly here for you. You have an easy job, just dismiss everything I say, no need for proof or even checking. You can just outright dismiss it. But if people want to find the BCH community, they now know where to look.

DangerHighVoltage111

> BCH is actually working pretty well as p2p cash True. >its dollar price is half what it was when the coin forked off in 2017. Nobody said a p2p cash revolution would be easy. >Im not sure how can someone be late to it? If I wait 10 more years it might be even half less of its current price in dollars. Since 2021 it has been doing pretty well coming back from #33 to #10 and now at #18. Unfortunately some of these gains has been lost again. But nothing says a second p2p cash revolution can not spark that enthusiasm Bitcoin once had again.

DangerHighVoltage111

Why? Did you expect a sound money revolution would be a get rich quick scheme? Bitcoin had its greatest gains when it gave people hope of better money. Nowadays it struggles and leans heavy in its branding. What do you think happens when people realize BCH is that original sound money revolution continued?

marcusmv3

Go look at the BCH/BTC chart and cry

Vipu2

BCH is actually working pretty well as p2p cash, its dollar price is half what it was when the coin forked off in 2017. Im not sure how can someone be late to it? If I wait 10 more years it might be even half less of its current price in dollars.

DangerHighVoltage111

Only an ignorant person or a person only interested in price would say that. Obviously BTC is much more visible since it got the branding but BCH attracts people and builders and it builds the base for a worldwide p2p cash system, while BTC infights over Apes on chain and doesn't scale a single bit. >Until then, it's all moot, isn't it. Yes, but don't cry when you are late.

DangerHighVoltage111

Dude you lost. I gave you the option to drop this braindead take and you missed it. If you go by adoption than go back into the warm, convenient lap of the dollar, because this adoption dwarfs BTC and BCH. But we are here for sound p2p cash and only BCH provides that. So we do what Bitcoin already did once: Start from low adoption and grow it. What good is BTCs "adoption" if it is only about holding and selling it later for, maybe, more dollars. It's the anti-thesis to Bitcoin.

magma_lakes

Mullvad VPN. BTC + BCH + XMR + Lightning

your_unpaid_bills

No. Each fork retains its total supply. For instance, when the BCH fork happened, people who had X BTC prior to it ended up with X BTC on one side and X BCH on the other side of the fork. The new BCH could be accessed (and transferred/sold) using the same private keys, independently since it lived on a new blockchain (and, as a matter of fact, many/most people eventually sold their BCH). Of course, this is only possible as long as the other chain hasn't died off already, cause in order to transfer the coins that live on the forked chain, it needs to be actively mining blocks (and there must be someome wanting to buy those coins, clearly).

DangerHighVoltage111

110 showed us that the narrative of "node runners control the network" was never real. It was just convenient against scaling Bitcoin. To this day, BCH remains the only free, non-captured Bitcoin.

jekpopulous2

What? BCH, BSV, BTG, and XEC are all hard forks of Bitcoin.

MiguelLancaster

> it's just not likely that other people are going to care or value the resulting shitcoin BCH miner support was huge by comparison to BIP110, was it not? and even then, few value the resulting shitcoin

MiguelLancaster

will this result in me getting some free forked coin that I can sell for more BTC like the BCH fork did?

NewspaperOwn2765

You judge the coin based off the community and currently the community sucks when it comes to p2p cash , hence why we allowed it to be hijacked and engulfed by legacy finance Btc seems to be for speculation and maybe a store of value due to it’s hard cap. Monero and BCH seem to be actually about p2p

Mission_Ad_5348

Wrong, BCH is the real Bitcoin for adoption, including alts such as CKB Nervos Network, ( long term its projected to dethrone Ethereum because of account vs Cell model ( a superb version of UTXO or rather evolved version ) Zilliqa 2.0 as the better solana transaction scaling for stable offloads and regulatory framework and IDENTITY proof for institutions especially now with LTIN, vLel stuff. And COMPound for RWA since its a more secure DEFI than aave. Overall crypto is in a good road. Btc is not same with eth. Small blocks will die same as ethereums evergrowing state data that will only consume validators and end up handicap them when the data is too large causing clog fest and centralization due to technology's limitations. 

HSuke

Actually that sounds EXACTLY like /r/Bitcoin If you report a random person on that sub as a shitcoiner without any evidence, they will get banned. I know because that's how I got banned. Some asshole stalked me from another sub and falsely claimed I supported BCH with zero evidence on a random Bitcoin thread I had commented on a long time ago. The topic wasn't even remotely about BCH, and I didn't even mention anything about BCH. Apparently, falsely accusing someone is enough to get perma-banned. The Bitcoin sub is 1984.

wisequote

BCH literally tripled every cycle then goes down to 100-200 in bear markets. Literally every single cycle.

DangerHighVoltage111

I have no timeframe, the sooner the better. Could be through a slow process of local pockets or through a big financial crisis. Because it is better money. All the arguments that get made for BTC are actually true for BCH. Sound money you own, control and can transact without a third party, for everyone.

MajorAnamika

That must be why BCH is used all over the world as a currency.

DangerHighVoltage111

I explain BCH all the time, 90% get it.

DangerHighVoltage111

>Worthless trinkets are not a rEvoLuTiON. You essentially have useless counterfeit Pokemon cards. >Bitcoin is, and will always be, the revolution. Bcash exists as a basic IQ test to trick the dumbest people in this space. That's an absolute braindead take from a foaming at the mouth fiat Maxi. For starters, IF we want p2p cash we absolutely should try different things and see which one works best. In crypto as a whole this is overshadowed by everyone just cheerleading for their bags. Second, BCH is Bitcoin and it is objectively a better p2p cash system than BTC. Branding stupidity or heavy bags is why most people refuse to admit that. BTC stopped being the revolution when it refused to scale. Now BTC has lead dancers like this: https://i.imgur.com/iW7m615.jpeg

DangerHighVoltage111

I thought that was clear by moving from orange to green, but yes it was shortly before the BCH fork in 2017.

Minute-Lake-1819

You talking the 2017 forks? BCH and BSV? Or an earlier one?

DangerHighVoltage111

> I don't see any tangible difference between LTC and BCH Not gonna lie, that's on you bro 😎😄. Just one example: BCH doesn't have a crippling Blocksize limit. And can dogma free take the best upgrade path as hard fork or soft fork. > LTC and BCH tbh, both hover around a similar market cap and occasionally swap positions, and both are marketed towards p2p transactions (neither one has significant uptake). LTC overtook BCH as "BTCs silver" when BCH was up against all the maxis selling. But since BCH overtook LTC again there was only a single short lasting time where LTC was above it. LTC mainly rides on the shame free transactional blockchain for maxis when the BTC blockchain is clogged. > LTC implemented it's privacy feature much earlier and has seen negligible usage, I don't see any reason why BCH would be different, As far as I followed that development it wasn't a well received implementation and I think I remember someone claimed they broke it already?!? But to be fair I'm not sure on that. >I don't see any reason why BCH would be different Because BCH was always privacy oriented and Cashfusion has been used for a while already. Now you can have scaling, zk-privacy and smart contracts on one Bitcoin chain.

DangerHighVoltage111

BCH went from #33 to #10 and is no sitting at #19. I see no reason why it can't move back into the top 10.

Realistic_Fee_00001

I did too. BCH is nice to use.

Realistic_Fee_00001

BCH is shaping up nicely.