BCH

DangerHighVoltage111

You should at least accept BCH, LTC and XMR these are the usual payment blockchains. BTC is slow as hell if it is not LN. For Bitcoin Cash there are these full blown payment options: https://prompt.cash https://nowpayments.io/supported-coins/bitcoin-cash-payments https://www.bitrequest.io And the simplest one I could find: https://scantopay.cash/#/ Just to give you and idea what exists.

0fWhomIAmChief

Some of us dumped BCH for $5k 

rankinrez

The 1MB blocksize limit still makes no sense. But crypto isn’t about which is “better” for anything. People just gamble on these things, BCH could never have won once the exchanges gave the ticker to the other chain.

Realistic_Fee_00001

>There are only a handful of altcoins, whos blockchain can pull off serious tech. E.g. SUI, ICP, TAO, etc. You wrote BCH + XMR weirdly.

Realistic_Fee_00001

> My guy this is not a religion. Exactly, I'm stating the facts. You are stating the dogmas. BCH was a hard fork. BTC was a hardfork made softfork. 🤷‍♂️ >The pre-mining factor will never allow BCH to be pure BCH is as pure as Bitcoin. Again they were the same chain before 2017. >Owners of BTC all got BTC still and BCH And owners of big block BTC got small block BTC and had to rename their coins BCH. >You need to start a coin from scratch even if its BCH 2.0 but it needs to have no pre-mine There was no premine. That's propaganda. That is what I am trying to tell you. The BCH Genesis block is Satoshis block in 2009.

Doritos707

My guy this is not a religion. BTC was BTC. BCH is a fork, a new chain that continues from the data of the old chain. But it is entirely a new chain. BCH is BCH Owners of BTC all got BTC still and BCH The pre-mining factor will never allow BCH to be pure You need to start a coin from scratch even if its BCH 2.0 but it needs to have no pre-mine

Realistic_Fee_00001

You didn't get it. The same coins were BCH and BTC before the fork. Big blockers received small blockers coins and small blockers received Big Blockers coins. It's just your viewpoint. >how is BCH any different or better than BTG or BSV? I mean this question can only come from total ignorance. BCH is a working scaling Bitcoin with privacy, smart contracts, the fastest syncing node per MB and a lively community. BCH could manage the traffic of BTC, ETH and Doge together without any problem. >You are not even in line with reality any more while BTC is 1 TRILLION + , BCH is still under 5 billions. So what? BTC is worth more, so are military stocks worth more than solar stocks. I still rather invest in p2p cash than a captured controlled opposition. >This means that BTC OGs can spend a few billions each and every cycle to hinder BCH from ever seeing the light Yes, but BTC are peanuts against the dollar system. These guys can print trillions out of thin air. If Bitcoin as p2p cash system cannot win against this it was doomed from the beginning. Fortunately BCH does not need a higher price than BTC to win, it just needs people to use it.

Doritos707

Nope. A person had to be holding BTC prior to the fork to receive BCH. BCH holders suddenly had both BTC and BCH, how is BCH any different or better than BTG or BSV? You are not even in line with reality any more while BTC is 1 TRILLION + , BCH is still under 5 billions. This means that BTC OGs can spend a few billions each and every cycle to hinder BCH from ever seeing the light

SkimCarder

You need BC2, BCH2, Doge2, RVN, Rarvom, LCC, DGB2

user_name_checks_out

If it's anything like BCH then you just convert it back into bitcoin on day one.

Realistic_Fee_00001

Every holder of BCH got free BTC 🤷‍♂️

PhoenixJ3

BTC: store of value ETH: smart contracts XMR: p2p digital cash. Maybe a few other longshots like LINK BCH DOGE for reasons I'm sure you can guess after minimal research.

Personal-Bread-1081

it is probably a mix of things but the bank run definitely helps. when people pull coins off exchanges in coordinated way, the available supply get smaller and price can react. i did my part earlier today, moved some BCH to my wallet, felt good to have the keys for real last month when they did this the price moved a bit and then pulled back, but long term the idea is solid. if exchanges are playing games with coins they dont actually hold, eventually someone gets caught with their pants down. i remember reading that binance was hiding their BCH reserves for ages while showing other coins, that's sketchy behavior

sigh_duck

is that why BCH is going up

bunky_bunk

> When have you ever heard someone calling a hash a “checksum”? A crypto hash is a special kind of checksum. > You’re completely wrong about the trust properties of a “snapshot” + new blocks versus verifying from the genesis block. it's legit. BCH calls it "UTXO commitments" as i have just learned.

Shibinator

You can literally look into the enormous amounts of slander when Hijacking Bitcoin was released in 2024 - completely without a shred of evidence - as one indicator that it was still happening. I documented some of that here: https://x.com/TheBCHPodcast/status/2020898444865593811 But if you're sure there's no suppression now, that's fine. Everyone knows that inertia, momentum and network effects are huge. Even suppression in the past when it was first split could have destroyed the projects' initial prospects. Of course, the BCH community simply has to deliver better results, tech, adoption, education, conferences, hackathons, wallets and so forth that it makes any suppression (if there is any) irrelevant. So this is not some woe is me victim crying. We understand what we have to do. But it's important to be realistic as well. There has, without doubt, been immense suppression of BCH.

Realistic_Fee_00001

>You have to expose yourself to an exchange rate risk to make use of BCH features. That makes no sense to me. Have you used BCH? What exchange rate risk are you talking about? BTC/BCH or BCH/USD? You can use BCH directly there is no difference to any other crypto. >Also there are now many BTC holders who have no current exposure to BCH. If they stop to suppress BCH or endorse it, capital will flow from BTC to BCH and they lose value. Yes, BCH has a lot of upside potential. >A low feature, small blocksize (small hardware requirement) coin has real advantages. Resilience to attack and centralization. Again, makes no sense. It isn't even correct. Ask BIP-110 proponents how they feel about Core hogging the code of the single node repository. BTC is very centralized in development. >In my opinion BCH and BTC complement each other and everything would be smoother if their combined supply was 21 million coins. They don't, BCH can do everything BTC can. Once BCH is recognized as the better working Bitcoin there is no reason why it should not also be recognized as the better SoV. That's why they fight it so fiercely. >PS: One advantage of the small block argument is that the whole blockchain has to be downloaded to run a full node. I don't believe that is true. Then why are you parroting their false claims? > If BTC was to make regular snapshots (7 days apart for example) of the UTXO database and then include cryptographic hashes of those snapshots in each live block, then >(1) the hashes must be the same for the same most recent snapshot, a consensus would be established >(2) it makes downloading the snapshot possible >This weakens the argument for the necessity for small blocks. Exactly, BCH is already researching these. https://bitcoincashresearch.org/t/chip-2021-07-utxo-fastsync/502/86 https://bitcoincashresearch.org/t/chip-2025-03-merkle-header-commitment-for-enhanced-spv-scalability/1518

bunky_bunk

> BTC does not have the ability for wrapped coins, but BCH could have a wrapped BTC. But nobody needs that. You have to expose yourself to an exchange rate risk to make use of BCH features. That is significant. Also there are now many BTC holders who have no current exposure to BCH. If they stop to suppress BCH or endorse it, capital will flow from BTC to BCH and they lose value. A low feature, small blocksize (small hardware requirement) coin has real advantages. Resilience to attack and centralization. In my opinion BCH and BTC complement each other and everything would be smoother if their combined supply was 21 million coins. PS: One advantage of the small block argument is that the whole blockchain has to be downloaded to run a full node. I don't believe that is true. If BTC was to make regular snapshots (7 days apart for example) of the UTXO database and then include cryptographic hashes of those snapshots in each live block, then (1) the hashes must be the same for the same most recent snapshot, a consensus would be established (2) it makes downloading the snapshot possible This weakens the argument for the necessity for small blocks.

Realistic_Fee_00001

>I am trying to catch up here on the topic, not everything i say is necessarily my final opinion. 👍 > Still makes me wonder why the two currencies were set up to compete in the first place. If the same coins were being traded on both networks, wouldn't everybody be happier? That's not how this works. They were not set up to to compete or to cooperate, that's what communities do. They are the same blockchain started in 2009. They had one rule set from 2009 to 2017, then they split into two rulesets. The second ruleset appeared because it was clear that BTC was hijacked and won't ever scale to become a p2p cash system. With a second ruleset the two chains split and are now incompatible with each other, like two different chains. BTC does not have the ability for wrapped coins, but BCH could have a wrapped BTC. But nobody needs that. >I mean BTC would be more valuable if it had the technical capacity to be traded at high frequency. Yes, but the hijackers didn't care.

Realistic_Fee_00001

Lol XD your arguments get weaker with each post. I very much doubt that if you have something valuable to say and not just blurt out "XYZ is better!!!!!!1111" they very much welcome you. Imagine a world where Bitcoin was not about money or people were not so goddamn greedy. The fork could have been non-contentious and the sentiment could have been:"lets try both and see what works better" But since people invested more than they could lose they defended their bags instead of p2p cash. 🤷‍♂️ This discussion has become really boring with you just trying new stupid comparisons, so I'm out. If you want a p2p cash Bitcoin join BCH, that much is clear.

bunky_bunk

Regardless of motives of people involved, BCH was not popular and remains so.

Realistic_Fee_00001

The reason BTC kept the blocksize limit is to make it impossible to use it p2p. Reintroducing custodians and bringing the revolution back under control. So the only option for BTC to increase its throughput is a mutiny and subsequent kicking of the hijackers. And the conditions for that were best in 2015~17 and the Bitcoin community couldn't do it then. So they went for the last resort, they forked, with all its downsides, to preserve a scaling working Bitcoin: BCH. The BTC community is now in a much worse position than then. Additionally a block size increase would take a long time of discussion and implementation and they would be years behind in big block development and still deal with segwit/taproot and inscription spam. But once they decide a blocksize increase is the way to go, everyone knows the bCashers were right and it only takes a second to trade into BCH with all the benefits instead of waiting for BTC for a second best solution. And once the transitions starts and is visible in the trade chart they would be cooked.

Realistic_Fee_00001

Get with the times. BTC is hijacked and crippled. It ever only be a speculative token. Sound money can be found at BCH and XMR these days.

bunky_bunk

They can increase the block size limit and try again to make BTC more relevant. Or do a BCH relaunch with BTC and BCH sharing the same 21 million coins, again making BTC more relevant.

F0rtysxity

HBAR and XRP are the new BCH. Shit coins for shit people. Not shit people. But people that think they are smart. When they are stupid. Trump and MAGA voters. There. I got around to saying it.

bunky_bunk

I think they made a mistake with BCH. As far as I understand, each BCH coin was split from a BTC coin with ownership copied and the 2 networks were separate. If BTC wants to be a store of value, they have to design a system where the BTC is moved between the networks. Otherwise BCH could succeed while BTC fails, because BCH does not need BTC. Rookie mistake.

Shibinator

There's loads going on in BCH, you can look up "The Bitcoin Cash Podcast" (my podcast, also links in my profile) to get up to date. It made all the right technical choices, but has been of course suppressed heavily with propaganda of all kinds. Also loads of information about that available as soon as you start digging into it.

Bagmasterflash

Downvote for misinformation. Well CSW is everything you said but was unceremoniously booted from BCH

Bagmasterflash

The thing with open source is that with a dev team that is open to innovation any technical advantage any coin develops can be adopted by any other chain. Therefore, if BCH remains progressive and careful with innovations, the only difference will be the genesis of the coin which Bitcoin cannot be surpassed.

HSuke

That's BSV, not BCH

baIIern

It's still irrelevant after all those years and I don't know why it ever wouldn't be. Can't pay with BCH anywhere. Just look at the long term chart. It's slowly going towards zero. No new ATHs in years 🤷🏻‍♂️

MelangeBot

Me too. Last buy and sell was buy BCH around 110 and sell around 300. It eventually went to 700 and now back to 200 but I got my 3x and those are phenomenal returns in just 2 years.

DangerHighVoltage111

> It was supposed to be a currency and act like digital decentralized cash And the coins that pursue this goal, like BCH or XMR, will be the only coins left at the end, because the only alternative outcome is a privacy and surveillance hell called CBDCs. Don't pay attention to all the distractions. Divide and conquer still works.

aaj094

The blocksize won't solve the matter either. Infact the fees would further drop to near zero and there is no evidence that it will get made up by millions using bitcoin transactions to pay for coffee. See BCH and other cheaper coins for instance. The most practical way is to just end the halvings and thus retain a permanent tail emission. Why would anyone be turned off by a 0.4% supply inflation each year?

Realistic_Fee_00001

Not at the moment, if you are only interested in selling it for more dollar later. Maybe later when more people realize p2p cash is a massive improvement of our lives. Unfortunately in this branding focused world BCH now has a double uphill battle to fight. BTC completely destroyed all the better money momentum for short term gains. Tech wise BCH is light years ahead of BTC and our best chance to change the corrupt system to a much better p2p cash system.

MelangeBot

> Why would the standby miners keep the mining equipment running to rent it out? They will ofcourse only run it when somebody is willing to pay them to run it. >No one does that. Unless you get paid more to rent it out than you earn directly from mining. When the price starts slowly going down without going back up this will eventually happen. >The attack would cost billions and have 0 upside. The btc devs could just fork again and the attacker would be left with simply wasting billions. Right now you are correct. But as the price and hashrate slowly go down from this point eventually this attack becomes a big opportunity to quickly make a profit. >The btc devs could just fork again and the attacker would be left with simply wasting billions. So the devs would decide that a chain of orphaned blocks now suddenly has the concensus? You mean with rolling checkpoints like BCH once did to protect themselves? >The total hashrate has dropped from peak, yes, like in literally every single cycle, at similar time. Each cycle lows we get similar doom stories The cycle has happened how many times now? So you are saying that the cycle will go on forever, and the price of Bitcoin will always grow towards infinity? That's really what you believe?

rhagerbaumer

My Cardano (ADA) is down -83%. XRP down -60.89%. AAVE down -73.18. BCH down -62.90%. Basically the whole basket is in the shitter.

Fluid-Guarantee-9792

I already sell all my crypto shitcoins, had been a rollercoaster since I recovered my money from ftx, but I didn't learn.. and I keep my money on kraken.. now I look back and I was so obsessed with crypto that I did not put any money on stocks.. on April we I was standing on $23k, little less on what I started after ftx, then I f#ck it up buying #WLFI then sell everything, to buy some #BCH on a free falling, after keeping little less than $10k, I took out everything on Sunday and my plan is to try to get some of IA rally stocks like Mu, western digital, etc.. Right now I just bought everything I had on $10k of #TTWO stock (GTA IV ) and will hold it just the hype, 40, 50 days.. Wish me luck, mf Saludos cabrones After this month my plan is to diversify, on IA stocks and try to not get cought in some sort of IA bubble..

PuzzleheadedBell4057

Like BCH. Way less brand recognition.

Realistic_Fee_00001

You are posting not about BCH to a BCH subreddit? And BU is or was a BCH focuses org. And tailstorm is a thing that is looked into at BCH. Last chance, make it make sense.

TacoBond

I’m not posting about BCH. Take a real good look at my pic, sir.

Realistic_Fee_00001

But you are apparently not a reddit native 😂. Go to r/bitcoincash if you want to post about BCH. r/bch is just a redirection.

McCl3lland

Well for one, is he's part of the group that has purposely hamstrung BTC blocksize, when Satoshi literally said it was meant to be temporary. He's part of the group that literally supported collusion and censorship within the BTC community, which lead to the giant fracture within the community resulting in the BTC/BCH split. Now, me stating those things is not, in fact, "proof". But if you need receipts to know the truth of those claims, you haven't been in the community long enough to make your original claim that Adam Back was "very possibly one of the founders of Bitcoin" and you really have no grounds to demand fuckall.

Realistic_Fee_00001

The goal was control over your money and the freedom to transact. BTC botched this. Bitcoin was cheap and easy to use before the blocks got full. If you use a custodial wallet your coins can be seized at any time. This happens all the time, e.g. they don't find your KYC sufficient, they don't like the history of one of your coins etc. If you want to gamble for dollars custodial is fine, you are gambling anyway. If you want sound money you need to use a Bitcoin or Blockchain that works. My suggestion: BCH or XMR.

Realistic_Fee_00001

USDT was always a criminal company, centralized and could control your money at any point. Why did your friend use it? How introduced him to p2p cash? Why didn't they tell him about the scammers and pitfalls? >Kindly suggest any cheap solutions to this Use sound money like BCH and XMR.

Da_WooDr

Siacoin, Holochain, Amp, XRP, XLM, LTC, Dash, BCH, ZEC, VeChain, Mana, ICP, XDC, Algo, Link, FileCoin, XMR,

Realistic_Fee_00001

Use BCH

LillyTeneille

BCH? Really?

financeguruIB

I’m intrigued by $BCH. I will look into it. $ZEC is one of my bags. Also considering $XMR

MelangeBot

Does it matter? The original Bitcoin is clearly BCH but that one also saw no adoption. The cold hard fact is that e-transfers and current payment systems we all use work more then good enough for 99% of the population. Even the best possible version of Bitcoin does not really offer them anything they are missing right now. Everything that Bitcoin is better in, is either an edge case or a property that only becomes useful once the entire world has adopted it as money, but there is no incentive to get this done. Any currency ever in the history of currencies has been bootstrap because some leader demanded you paid your taxes in it. And if you did not he would send the army to arrest you. Bitcoin does not have this.

CryptoAnarchyst

You are about as delusional as it gets. You need to learn a bit more about the network, node cost, tokenomics, and the sentiment. You don’t understand that Solana is at the same level as BCH in the wider community. The chain is dead and only thing on it are p&d and rug pulls

MelangeBot

It can't be changed. There won't be consensus for it. It will fork in a Bitcoin that keeps the limit and one that changes it. It any of that starts happening it will just mean that BCH will become the true Bitcoin again.

MelangeBot

It can absolutely become obsolete because right now nothing depends on it and nothing is done with it, other then speculators that don't even believe anymore that Bitcoin will become money. Also because the block rewards goes down, miners make less and less because transaction fees are capped economically. The low blocksize makes it so that blocks are almost always full or just always full. And when they are, to get your transaction confirmed you need to pay a higher fee then the people after you will do. Or the miners will put there tx in the block and not yours. So then users are bidding against each other and fees go up. When fees go up people make less transactions because they don't like losing money on fees. Or like they decide to use another blockchain instead. This is why I said capped economically, there is a limit to how high the fees can do. Do you really see banks pay a 1000 dollars for a transaction? That's absurd. So all the miners have is the price. If the price does not keep doubling forever, eventually at some time everybody will stop mining unless high fee transactions are made. That's a 100% guarantee thing to happen in the future, unless the code is changed and tail emissions are added or the block size is made bigger. But it's to late for all of that. Bitcoin praises itself as unchangable, rock solid. If changing it was a good idea, then BCH would trade higher then BTC but it doesn't. So then what does BTC still have? Well it has a really nice prophet, called Michael Saylor that promised the world 30 times in a row on video his company would never sell any Bitcoins. And then he started selling them. So yeah, it's really not looking good. Bitcoin is the first iteration of brand new tech, does that ever make it? I am fairly confident that stablecoins on other chains, that are used daily for instance by all the gamblers on polymarket, will outlive Bitcoin. Why? Because they are usefull. Bitcoin is pretty useless.

stanley_fatmax

Sure, there are other sha-256 based coins. They could mine BCH! 🤓

samkb93

Why would anyone hold BCH?

eclipsor

any idea why BCH dropped so drastically compared to everything else?

WastelandOfConfusion

The funniest part is all these newbies coming in and believing that the only way in crypto is up. They fully deserve what they’re getting. Whereas just one of my shorts is a 10x Solana with 5k from $180. I’m not even going to tell you the BCH one because it will make you cry for the rest of the day. It’s almost too easy.

Into-the-Beyond

They already tried that with Bitcoin cash (BCH). Anyone can hardfork to make new rules at any time, but all us network participants who don’t want dilution will stay on the real Bitcoin. The maintainers are not really in control here. If they do something catastrophic like push new code to increase the max cap, which the rest of the network disagrees with, the node owners would choose to not run the new code. The only reason Bitcoin works the way it does is because it’s in the best interest of all participants for it to continue as is. Also, I know you didn’t mention future quantum threats, but once that realizes, that might cause the need for a hardfork that a majority of network participants could actually get behind. No one’s interested in switching the code just to dilute themselves. Why would anyone (let alone a majority of people) want that??

Educational_Cable405

Happened to me on r/btc a few years back. Posted a chart showing BCH bleeding against BTC and it was gone in maybe 20 minutes, flagged as concern trolling. One thing I learned the hard way: screenshot your own post before you put it anywhere near a coin's home sub, because the removal log is private and you'll never actually get told why.

Realistic_Fee_00001

> use as a currency is laughable This is actually the first and still the most relevant use case. In this crazy corrupted world a sound p2p monetary system would be a breath of fresh air. Which is exactly the reason why BTC got crippled and took the whole space with it. But the genie is out of the bottle. XMR or BCH will take that torch to the finish line so people can enjoy better money.

wunderspud7575

I do sometimes wonder if the shake out of the collapse of BTC as "a store of value" and the realization that for a currency to be useful it has to have actual utilisation and not just speculation will apply more focus on BCH. But I know nothing, grain of salt.

Realistic_Fee_00001

You can do that on BCH too.

Far-Photograph-2342

That kind of post should be allowed, honestly. If someone has held BCH for years and is questioning whether the thesis still makes sense, that is a valid discussion - not just “FUD.” Every crypto community needs room for uncomfortable questions. Otherwise it becomes an echo chamber where people can only post when they are bullish. As for whether to sell or hold, I would try to separate emotion from the decision. The money is already in BCH, so the real question is: if you had that same amount in cash today, would you buy BCH again over BTC, ETH, or something else? If the answer is no, that tells you something.

LoveSexDraems

Does BCH count

Good-Book-6912

It really isn't. I don't have any BCH, and I don't follow BCH.

WorthPerception4240

How do you manage to get that? Anything I do I lose. N ok matter what strategy. I lost 200$ already toda in less than an hour. As soon as i bought Litecoin it instantly went straight down by 100$. Thsts with one gran. And now I bought ENA and BCH, already down another 100$ with another 1,000$ I sent back in!! Like wtf!?!?. I lost 10,000$ since January!!

Realistic_Fee_00001

It's pumped as controlled opposition. Todd was there at the beginning . Same with BTC vs BCH. Use the untainted OGs XMR and BCH.

MelangeBot

No thanks. I short on BCH bull using smart contracts. That way I have full custodial control and no exchange going bankrupt can make me lose money on the short. (but there is still oracle risk)

Martymations

Can’t wait for BCH 2.0!!!

MinimalGravitas

> Everybody should start off in crypto with learning about Bitcoin If there was any way to test it fairly I would bet 6 figures that you don't understand anything about Bitcoin. > If you understand Bitcoin you’re already studying... All this braindead influencer slop is not 'understanding bitcoin'. You don't know what UTxOs are, you don't know what 'mining' is actually doing, you don't know how changes to the network are implemented... And because you don't know how any of it actually works you are happy to believe and repeat thought-terminating cliches about halvings and certainty as if you are enlightened and educating others, rather than just parroting the propaganda you have been fed. > "future supply schedule is known with certainty decades in advance." ... > "The halving worked and Bitcoin led the market exactly as it always has" Every time the block reward halves the amount of BTC paid to miners for the security they provide is halved. Unless the price of BTC doubles then this means that all other things being equal, Bitcoin network's security budget reduces. Well this cycle the price of BTC didn't double... And before you embarrass yourself by repeating the silly line about transaction fees, go and look up how irrelevantly small their contribution is. Within a few cycles (my guess is 3) the ever reducing gains in price each cycle will mean that mining profitability will be gone for all but the biggest few entities. Block production will be even more centralized and the network's lack of security will be well understood. At that point Bitcoiners will have to make a choice: * Increase the block size to try and get enough transactions to offset the issuance reduction - last time this was suggested a civil war occurred that led to the creation of BCH; * Or they could abandon the 21 million limit and introduce level emissions so that miners continue to be incentivized to secure the network, at the cost of BTC's one remaining investable narrative, the limited supply; * Or they abandon mining and move to an economically sustainable consensus model that doesn't require paying tens of millions of dollars to electricity companies just to play a random number guessing game every block, probably either Proof of Stake or Bitcoin could just become an Ethereum L2?

aaj094

That so called Real Bitcoin - BCH still can't seem to make a clear break above 2015 levels.

karlfeltlager

XLM, BCH, Litecoin, monero

Bagmasterflash

Or just use BCH. Case in point gumshoemystery.com.

Revolutionary-Cup78

The post is clearly about BTC. BCH has almost all the same shortcomings as BTC, it is also not a suitable currency. Being better at something doesn't mean sufficient

TechCynical

well I do. my entire comment was complaining that our poster boy for convincing the masses to use decentralized CURRENCY is the slowest and most dog shit at being currency for 99% of people on this earth. We cry about someone in a hut in the poor countries not being able to run a node but then make it to expensive for them to use the currency everyday. Cant you see the irony of that? Its a complete failure of vision and design and people are just coping and moving the goal post now to say ohhh it was never supposed to be ACTUALLY usable!!!! only the 1% should be able to viciously spend it! poor people like you are only supposed to use it every 90 days for it :3333333. Seriously how can we possible convince the everyday man to adopt digital currency when 80% of people on subreddits like this are focused on telling people everything else but bitcoin is a scam, so then they try to use bitcoin day to day and if more than 5 people do that then they spend so much on fees they just drop crypto altogether. this discussion makes me so heated cause its so fucking stupid. We had a good thing and we just completely killed it and now its just some equivalent to labubus on a computer. BCH is equally just as stupid because its a minority vision of a dog shit chain. Bitcoin didnt just need 2mb blocks, getting faster block times and more was also equally as important. If there are any payments the most logical way to do them right now is using arbitrum and whatever stable / ether for payments. That way you can get sub $0.001 payment costs and have transactions that fully confirm in 250 miliseconds. And if someone is so concerned about something that has yet to happen so far like the government forcing the chain down or something, you can just do the same on ETH. Itll be just as expensive but at least you only have to wait 1/45th the amount of time and is basically the speed of a tap to pay at the store counter.

LargeSnorlax

I think we've long passed the block size debate over 10 years later, if you want less decentralization (Although, what's the point?) then Bitcoin Cash is right there, you can use it right now, although I don't understand *why* you'd use it if your objective is to be as decentralized as possible. If you don't care about decentralization there's literally thousands of other chains you could use. But if that's your goal, why just not use all the other chains that do the same thing faster and cheaper? Unless you're specifically hooked on the BCH ethos there's not really a reason to do so. Bitcoin's *only* value is decentralization. That's why it was created, and remains so nearly 20 years later. Anyone can use it, from Kim Jong Un to Sam Bankman Fried or your drunken uncle in Thailand without involving banks or grifters or venture capitalists.

Empty-Operation569

>it’s never a random person who started using it because it’s the only practical option This was ME!! I needed to buy something that only took crypto. I didn't know what to use, googled a few things, and ended up buying BCH on Venmo. Then Venmo didn't have a mechanism for spending it so it just sat there. As it grew, I would scrape some off and put (cash) back in my account. Eventually I had to pay attention and move to the exchanges. But I think this makes your point - I bought it but had no way to spend it. And there were very few resources for an outsider/beginner to figure this out.

No-Masterpiece2246

No particular order. Each has its pros and cons. ETH for example has some drama happening with the Foundation again, but has increased throughput and lowered fees with the latest code. BCH has great devs but hardly any marketing. XMR is used by a huge community but has a dark side with its darknet ties.

Unable_Agent9595

zcash BCH and BNB have been done of the very best plays it looks like. I had them all and sold due to needing the money. I never planned on selling, but the family member got sick. I had to stop working still out of work.

cyberaholic

Using a decent portion of my BTC holdings to buy BCH around Aug 2017 to hedge against a future in which either of them did well

JuicedRacingTwitch

>As evidenced by the current values of all the various hard forks we've already gotten. Because the miners determine which fork is the true fork, and it does not matter as the original holders before the fork own both. I have BCH even though I never believed in or bought any of that shit. You seem to not understand how BTC works and you're not aware of it's history either.

No-Masterpiece2246

What? 10k per second is amazing. As I said, Bitcoin can only do 6. BCH can do 150, DOGE around the same. There are a few centralized coins like Ripple that can do fast transactions, but those premined coins are not cryptocurrencies.

No-Masterpiece2246

You're overestimating the power of governments to regulate and control crypto. Trump's coin is not crypto. Stablecoins are not crypto. XRP is not crypto. Uncensorable decentralized networks like ETH, XMR, BCH, SOL, LTC, etc are crypto.

Spazero

Well I dont see Eth disappearing anytime soon. Nor BTC, BCH, or many of the rest of them. It just depends on how serious people become about it. The Dollar is controlled, and maybe that's fine. Id rather hold an asset that doesn't easily depreciate though. So many do. Crypto is just humanities attempt to make money more modern. What will win in the end? The market tends to decide, though people can be powerful influencing factors.

Revolutionary-Cup78

I would find it extremely unexpected for asset currency to ever again become the predominant mean of exchange. This applies for both physical currency (like the example you mentioned) and digital currency (BTC, BCH, ETH, etc)

Crypto-Bets

The market is consolidating. With the dominance of stablecoins, businesses dont need BCH or LTC for everyday payments.

xblackdemonx

BCH is junk

LongtermSuccess

By restoring 100% of script functionalities that were historically disabled, the fork positions BCH to compete directly with modern Layer 1s enabling developers to write complex DeFi protocols, stablecoin contracts, and NFT logic.

No-Masterpiece2246

The UX is just horrible, and payments fail all of the time. It can't be used for very small payments (nodes don't want it), and big payments don't work either (insufficient liquidity). In short, 7 years of wasted time and effort. Moral is: pay onchain with low fees on any other coin like LTC, BCH, DOGE, XMR, etc.

PlutoPlaneta

> Whats to stop me from solo mining something like BCH? Usually the part where electricity is not free and you don't want an expensive hobby but a profit.

RoseOasis

This was very hard to get my head around. I finally sold all my BCH and spread it into other coins with growth potential and I'm so much happier.

terp_studios

r/BTC has nothing to do with actual bitcoin. It was taken over by BCH bagholders a while ago.

Supaflyray

Just doesn’t make sense to me, when we have hard forks like BCH. At the end of the day, the miners choose what what coin to mine is my point. If someone develops something the community doesn’t like, miners just go to the other chain. No?

TheGreatCryptopo

Another bullshit fork will go the same route as the turd coin BCH but what the fuck a free airdrop. If initially it does well then a quick buck for the lucky BTC holders.

frozengrandmatetris

nice try. I have no BCH. I am a sidechain guy who wants covenant opcodes.

LuckyWinds

Nice regurgitation of BCH talking points. Bitcoin adoption is growing. You might think that businesses offering bitcoin financial products is a negative, but I don't.

roctac

Yes. BCH for the win!

LovelyDayHere

> If you make a transaction on eCash Would recommend writing "Paul Storcz's fork" instead of "eCash". At least the eCash (XEC) fork is replay-protected against BTC by virtue of being a descendent of BitcoinCash (BCH). This new fork is just a hazard.

igoldring

GNO, AAVE, STX, INJ, & ZBCN. GNO seems to be my safe bet at this point, it’s consolidating at 2022 bear market lows and its relation to ETH. AAVE is still the leader in DeFi and you could add Morpho if you’re looking to diversify in that sector. STX being approved by the SEC for their ICO is a plus for me. INJ I like here for R/R ratio. ZBCN is a very interesting due to their payroll and streamlined payments as a real time payroll/streaming finance infrastructure. **I spoke on these from another thread and INJ and ZBCN are up a bit from time of post but regardless I still like these. If you’re looking for dino coins like the four you mentioned, I’d prefer LINK, BCH, LTC, and DASH over those tbh; at least we know they’ll be around regardless.

ReasonablePossum_

That only goes for the BCH. Not btc