ADA

chubs66

BTC is a secure store of value. That was never ADA's value prop. Also BTC has attracted users. ADA has not.

AdOk1101

Meanwhile BTC is over valued obsolete tech (i.e. a bubble) and all the other ADA imitators cost to much to transact over, including BTC.

LeoIsLegend

I think 100k is breakout level, then we go to 250k by the end of year. Then we dump to 50k. Then 500k by the end of 2027. I also think ADA goes to $20 soon, the tech is revolutionary. XRP should be $100 soon, super cheap now.

greczarfalco

Dca all the way Buy low, sell high - you did the opposite  Time in the market beats timing the market And most important: ADA is not dead and will be back in the top 10 soon again. For more advice, contact me over DM

Peturio

Ran the five coins in your screenshot (if there are more below ROSE, post them and I'll add them). At current prices that's about $1,020, LTC 70%, DOGE 10%, VET 9%, ADA 8%, ROSE 3%, and you need roughly +80% to get back to what you paid. Bad year first. Simulated one year forward from current volatility and correlations with no trend assumed, the worst 5% of outcomes lose 64% or more. The same dollars in BTC alone lose 51% or more. The median path goes through a 49% drop at some point during the year, so the odds of sitting through a 50% drop in the next twelve months are about one in two. For BTC alone it is one in five. One path in ten goes through a 70% drop. The recovery question, since that is really what you asked. In the same simulation, 18% of paths end the year at or above what you paid in May 2025. Put the same dollars into BTC and that number is 8%. The reason is the same one that makes the 50% drop likely. These five coins run at about 65% annual volatility against 44% for BTC, and volatility cuts both ways. It is what gives you a real shot at +80%, and it is what puts 13% of paths below half of today's value. If the next twelve months look like the last twelve (a resample of the real daily moves since September 2025), the picture is much worse, under 1% of paths reach breakeven and the median path loses another 54%. That is a statement about how bad the last year was for these five, not a forecast. Which coin does the damage. LTC is 70% of the money and 69% of the risk, so there is no hidden concentration beyond the obvious one. The five move together at 0.8 to 0.9 with each other (ROSE at 0.6), and the mix has a diversification ratio of 1.08, meaning five coins take about 7% of the volatility off compared with holding one of them. If BTC drops 30% tomorrow, the last 90 days of betas say LTC drops 26%, DOGE 35%, VET 31%, ADA 44%, ROSE 29%, and the book 29%. The coins you are down most on (ADA, ROSE) are also the ones that fall hardest when BTC does. Replays of actual crashes on today's mix. October 2025 to July 2026 costs 68%, BTC alone 51%. The 10 October 2025 flash crash costs 23% in a day, BTC 7% (the mix falls three times as far as BTC on a fast liquidation day). The June 2026 cascade costs 20%, BTC 15%. The FTX week costs only 1.6%, but that is because LTC happened to rise 11% in November 2022 while DOGE fell 47%, so treat it as luck rather than protection. The August 2024 yen unwind costs 20%, the December 2024 Fed selloff 17%. Days to get out. At this size every one of the five sells in minutes, total slippage about $4 even at 5% of a stressed day's volume. Liquidity is not a risk you have. What the numbers above do not include is that all of it sits on one exchange, which is a separate risk from price. One more thing the models say. A stock market selloff on its own (S&P −15%, dollar +8%, credit down) moves this book by under 1%. It only reacts to what BTC and ETH do, which matches the 0.8 to 0.9 correlations above. And the necessary disclaimer at the end: none of this is a prediction or advice.

Peturio

Ran your allocation through our portfolio risk analysis at [Sentralis.io](http://Sentralis.io), with the gold line modelled as PAXG and the two 5% groups split equally. The eleven lines behave like one asset. Simulated a year forward from current volatility and correlations with no trend assumed, the worst 5% of outcomes lose 50% or more, the median path passes through a 39% drawdown, and one in five paths passes through a 50% drawdown. Holding BTC alone gives 51%, 38% and one in five. The mix removes about 12% of the volatility you would carry in a single coin, and shifting correlations to a crisis regime adds only 0.3% to the risk, because the large coins already sit at 0.8 to 0.9 with each other in normal times. Where the risk sits is different from where the money sits. BTC is 40% of the money and 36% of the risk, ETH is 20% and 25%, SOL is 15% and 20%. Those three carry 80% of the risk in the portfolio. The 10% in gold carries 2% of it, and swapping that gold for cash moves the one year loss figures by about one point, so at that size gold is doing what a cash position would do. The six coins in the two 5% groups carry 11% of the risk between them, about their weight, and at 1.7% each no single one of them can move the whole portfolio by more than two points even if it goes to zero or doubles. As a check, a repeat of the October 2025 to July 2026 bear on this mix costs 52%, against 51% for BTC alone. Gold ended that window up 3%, and the lines that fell hardest were ADA, SUI, HBAR, SOL and UNI at 65% or more. All of this is a model estimate under the stated assumptions, not a prediction.

greczarfalco

funny to read that. just yesterday i bought again. Biggest position. Big in red to be honest. But i know how important conviction is. Have been holding a biotech stock for 2 years. have been down -60% and used it to DCA. Currently sitting on a 100% gain. And i know this will happen to ADA as well. Buy when others are fearfull!

Ucscprickler

Is Ben still all in on Cardano?? When he refused to admit that ADA was out classed by SOL in nearly every metric was about the time I stopped paying attention to him.

Same_Tomorrow_5590

ADA

breakboyzz

yeah, you will only see it if you know what you’re looking for. it’s just funny how the narrative is always: 1. ADA is dead going to zero 2. ok it’s going up, but so is everything else, who cares? 3. ok ADA ramped today, i missed that 4. ok ADAs still ramping up, maybe i should get on board 5. ADA is ripping through the market, i wonder if it’s actually dead? it must not be, let me look into it. 6. ADA is a good investment, but not sure if it will crash, it will probably not crash 7. ADA is $7?? time to fomo! then outta nowhere it gets organic hype, and people believe in it again. price going up inherently instills confidence in everyone again, but then they see the platform has a lot to offer and HAS improved since the last time this cycle happened.

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ADA

DwightKSchnute

Doing everything right but being boring has killed the hype on ADA, I’m still hoping a miracle happens but it ain’t lookin good

DwightKSchnute

Correct, still holding a big bag of ADA I got in 2018, hoping that they get their shit together and have a good pump this time

Frequent_Chemical269

Yeah, that’s a fair point. ADA has had a lot of catalysts talked up over the years, but it’s harder to point to one area where it’s clearly leading. What would actually change your mind on a project like ADA - developer activity, real users, revenue, or something else? You seem to look at these projects much more from the fundamentals/technical side than just price.

breakboyzz

do you remember that video where you’re supposed to count the number of times the basketball players pass the ball and in the middle of the court the bear dances through without you knowing? ADA dances through the market without people looking for it.

jawni

Why would people be bullish on ADA at this point? It just keeps falling farther and farther behind while every "catalyst" fails to substantiate the hype that the community inevitably builds up. It doesn't have any sort of use case that it can excel at, so what makes you think it can be relevant?

afisky595

No one mentioning ADA?

skyisfall1ng

I’d argue there’s a big difference between LAPTOP and MELANIA token compared to HYPE, SOL, hell even ADA lmao

SmokeWeedEatYogurt1

SKR, XTZ, XLM, ADA,....and I of course....SHIB

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Several-War-9254

Lol Cowen that paid for liar is and always has been the first one trying to peddle the shitcoins. Especially ADA Cardano the biggest shitcoin vaporware conjob out there not to mention Eth

PMmeuroneweirdtrick

If you dabble in ADA in 2026 you deserve to get scammed

LanaDelRhodez

ADA or midnight as these are sleeping giants

Rich-Discount-2322

If you think so maybe open a fat short position, pay your mortgage with dollars borrowed in ADA if you expect it to go down

fan_of_hakiksexydays

There's definitely some good reasons for ZEC to pump, but you guys should definitely look at the reasons why ZEC is pumping before jumping in. It's not so much that the news is about anything that exceptional, despite bagholders now trying to call it the "invisible Bitcoin" lol. It's a lot of your typical alt coin news and "partnerships", governance voting, someone famous mentioning ZEC, VC and funds who put money into it, etc...except that it all came out at once. One of the main tech reasons is that the network upgrade should now fix the major security issues, and reduce the block time. So it's not so much that it's doing something exceptional or groundbreaking, it's just that it won't be as shitty. But ultimately the big reason is the ETF. Even in 2026 crypto ETFs are still a big deal. An alt coin getting an ETF is still gonna create a major pump. Whether the pump can sustain is another story. We've seen what happened to ETH, SOL, XRP, ADA, BNB, LINK, etc...

Impressive-Fig-9532

nearly every altcoin that THIS SUBREDDIT PUMPS has ultimate dumped. Fixed it for you ALGO ADA ATOM and soon XMR any alt this sub loves is dog shit. The ones that pump that this subreddit HATES ultimately are the winners (see solana and soon to be zcash)

RatherCynical

This is a stupid way to frame it. Crypto sources its funds from ordinary banks. People put their savings into DeFi because when banks pay 0-2%, NOT using DeFi is losing money to inflation. That's where all the ETH, DOT, ADA, AVAX, FTM, MATIC, NEAR, and every other NFT going crazy comes from. Without that money, no alt-season. Because we shifted regime from nearly 2 decades of 0-2% interest to a 4%+ interest regime, the death of alt-season happened in 2022. It's never about "crypto being a lifestyle". It's about the money valve getting firmly clamped shut

Necessary-Low-5226

thankfully i spent more time on bitcoinmarkets than here and cashed out my bitcoin in 24, ignoring the whole IOTA, ADA bullshit going around in this sub

Whoa_Bundy

Sold most of my alts before alt season went to shit and never really recovered. Except for ADA. I stubbornly held on and now I’m left with a bag that I can helpfully unload someday.

nonFungibleHuman

Hold and stake in ADA for continuous profit.

AggravatingGuest1956

reminds me of the ADA truthers a few years back. No one is using the chain

breakboyzz

idk bro, ADA generated the 9th highest 24h trade volume on Polymarkets crypto perpetuals, surpassing BNB, XRP, Dogecoin, Chainlink and everything below 9th place.

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LukaBrasi87

Been holding for like a year. Hardly any action. Reading everywhere that the only way is up to like $1 and beyond but still stagnant. Is ADA really dead?

LukaBrasi87

Hardly any action. Reading everywhere that the only way is up to like $1 and beyond but still stagnant. Is ADA really dead? ATH/6M level was like a dream....

ubermensch1001

He isn't the only one, there were several other posters on here that were arguing with me about this. This was a reply I made to another poster more or less arguing with me about the same thing pertaining to buying ETH vs. ADA right now. "Let's say we go into 2027; the market is starting to get into a bullish environment and BTC is trading at 90k+. Let's say ETH at this point is trading at 4k, so a little over a 50% move from here. What do you think would happen with the rest of the alts? In this environment, do you see ADA at best matching ETH's performance by only being at 30 cents? Very short term price action is impossible to predict and pointless. For instance, in the fall of 2024 ADA was trading around 35 cents while ETH was at a similar price to where we are currently, about $2400. After the 2024 election hype ADA traded as high as $1.30 while ETH peaked at about 4k. I'll use XLM as an example from that same time period. Right before the election it was trading around 10 cents and then climbed above 50 cents at it's peak, so a 5x. A weak example would be LTC, it was around $65 and peaked at a little over $100 in this same time period. Another one is Bcash, both of these had very little price movement for years leading up to this, at least relative to the rest of the alts out there. The whole point is that when we do get bullish phases with alts, ETH leads and many of the alts with smaller market caps will OUTPERFORM it. IF someone were looking to do this, they need to be able to identify the correct time to be buying. I'm not saying people should do this, the point is that when ETH pops hard relative to BTC the broader alt coin market follows along even stronger. It has nothing to do with fundamentals of the coin lol. If you aren't aware, virtually all alts, including ETH, are primarily driven by hype and speculation. Picking the horse that runs the fastest is honestly going to come down to luck. What is NOT luck is identifying when these alts are low and where they could be making large gains for profit. What you are seeing now is NOT a bullish phase in the market, it's a bear market rally. This is not the same as the Q1 2024 ETF pump, the Q4 election pump or the spring 2021 alt season. When this occurs again, and it will, you will see what I'm describing here play out."

YaAldrich

That’s fair. Solana is a good example of how market sentiment can get way too extreme. I agree that a strong bull market can lift a lot of assets, but I’d still separate a market-wide pump from sustainable growth. For ADA, I’d want to see stronger adoption and on-chain activity along with the price.

YaAldrich

Cardano still has a solid community and continues to develop, but getting back to its previous all-time high will depend on more than just another bull market. I’d be watching network activity, developer growth, DeFi adoption, and whether Cardano can attract more real users and liquidity. $1 is certainly possible in a strong market, but I wouldn’t treat it as a given. With 10,000 ADA, I’d focus more on whether the fundamentals are improving than on one specific price target.

Orson_G

lol... ADA has no game just hype and promises that never materalise

cali_dave

Lots of stuff. I can't consolidate years of research into a Reddit comment, but I'll start with a couple things: Liquid non-custodial staking. On Ethereum, for example, if you don't have 32 ETH to run your own validator and you want to earn a passive yield, you have to send your ETH to a third party like Lido. You then get rewards in a separate token which you have to convert if you want to exit your position. In addition, the tokens are locked up in the smart contract - you can't move your ETH around freely. With Cardano, your ADA never leaves your wallet. You receive rewards in ADA, not a rewards or wrapped token. You don't have to trust that Lido or whoever is handling your tokens correctly. There is no slashing. The eUTXO model. There is no variable gas fee. You know exactly what the fee will be before you submit the transaction. You know that the transaction will succeed. You don't need a smart contract to launch a token. Cardano is big on trustless systems. You don't need to trust all these third parties to do things because the blockchain handles it natively. Midnight is going to be even better. Selective disclosure (the bouncer at the bar doesn't need to see your whole ID with your address, birthday, and weight on it, he just needs to know you're of legal drinking age) - privacy where you want it. Holding NIGHT generates DUST which is used to pay for transaction fees. In other words, transactions are free unless you're exceeding your DUST generation. There's a lot of really cool tech in Cardano that doesn't matter to people who are only looking for a quick buck.

ubermensch1001

According to the trolls on here you'd be lucky to ever see ADA at 40 cents lol.

ubermensch1001

Yeah, man, I've been in this space since 2018, BTC is the only thing I'm still holding from way back then. Going into the bull market of spring 2021 I had large bags in ETH, LTC and Bcash. ETH I continued to hold until early 2024 when I converted it into BTC after months of thinking about it lol. LTC and Bcash I exited a very long time ago, they were bags I bought on robinhood in late 2020 that I rode into huge profits in 2021. My average on LTC was $40 and it peaked at $400 that year and for bcash my average was $200 and it peaked at $1400. 80% BTC right now but have large holdings in ETH and ADA. ETH I bought heavily last spring when it's pairing to BTC was under .02 and ADA I've been buying heavily whenever it was under 30 cents. Scooped some up with the lows here earlier in the summer but mostly just been buying BTC this year. This stack of cash I have in reserve is going to be my last big move for a while so I want to spend a lot of time weighing my options.

ubermensch1001

I just left you a well written and fantastic reply and you still don't fucking get it lol. You are on here just to argue for the sake of arguing about ADA when I'm explaining to you how alt seasons work lol. You seriously can't make this up, my god you are a loser.

treatmelikeawhat

it’s clear you are the one who doesn’t understand anything of what we are saying. and even if we go with your flawed logic of someone only being able to buy once and sell once in the cycle, you’re making it like ADA is the only alt out there. others have been performing much better and will probably keep performing much better.

ubermensch1001

Bro, I'm talking about right here and right fucking now with ADA. The guy has these coins locked in at the time we are writing on here. Let's say we go into 2027; the market is starting to get into a bullish environment and BTC is trading at 90k+. Let's say ETH at this point is trading at 4k, so a little over a 50% move from here. What do you think would happen with the rest of the alts? In this environment, do you see ADA at best matching ETH's performance by only being at 30 cents? Very short term price action is impossible to predict and pointless. For instance, in the fall of 2024 ADA was trading around 35 cents while ETH was at a similar price to where we are currently, about $2400. After the 2024 election hype ADA traded as high as $1.30 while ETH peaked at about 4k. I'll use XLM as an example from that same time period. Right before the election it was trading around 10 cents and then climbed above 50 cents at it's peak, so a 5x. A weak example would be LTC, it was around $65 and peaked at a little over $100 in this same time period. Another one is Bcash, both of these had very little price movement for years leading up to this, at least relative to the rest of the alts out there. The whole point is that when we do get bullish phases with alts, ETH leads and many of the alts with smaller market caps will OUTPERFORM it. IF someone were looking to do this, they need to be able to identify the correct time to be buying. I'm not saying people should do this, the point is that when ETH pops hard relative to BTC the broader alt coin market follows along even stronger. It has nothing to do with fundamentals of the coin lol. If you aren't aware, virtually all alts, including ETH, are primarily driven by hype and speculation. Picking the horse that runs the fastest is honestly going to come down to luck. What is NOT luck is identifying when these alts are low and where they could be making large gains for profit.

ubermensch1001

2024-2025 we never had an alt season. However, in an environment like in the spring of 2021 EVEYTHING pumps hard when a wave of liquidity enters in with FOMO and euphoria. LTC in the spring of 2021 trading above $400, it's highs from 2017. I'm not saying to buy LTC, but the point is that everything does this under this types of market conditions. If you can spot when it's a good time to buy alts you can make moves. With this particular thread, you could buy ADA around 20 cents and hold this for a period of time. When the market has some sort of euphoria, which eventually will happen, you can bet this will pump. We can speculate all day as to what this could do, but buying at this point IF you wanted to would be solid. In my honest opinion, alts collectively are for speculative moves and swing trading, including ETH. They should only be touched when looking at it with this lens AND with the goal to swing trade this for profits. If you can identify when it is the correct time to be buying them you'll do well. For instance, I didn't touch ETH at all in 2022-2024 because it's pairing to BTC was still strong. However, in the spring of 2025 it dropped under .02 to BTC, it's cycle lows with it's BTC pairing that go all the way back to late 2019. I made a lump sum purchase here. Now, I could have been buying ETH at a similar price in the 2nd half of 2022, but it's pairing to BTC at the time was ABOVE .05. If I had bought ETH at the time I would have watched this slowly bleed compared to BTC over those years. For instance, 10 ETH bought at 1.2k in late 2022 could have bought me roughly .75 BTC. That 10 ETH in the spring of 2025 would have been only worth .2 BTC. Most people don't understand this, which is why they either get wrecked by buying alts at high $ valuation OR where they would have made better gains just buying BTC instead.

treatmelikeawhat

ffs we all understand. you dont understand. In the time it takes you waiting for another 2x, you could have better returns NOW elsewhere. You might be waiting half a year while other things are outpacing ADA. ever heard of opportunity cost? they brought up how ETH and SOL bounced much higher on BTC’s recent leg but you ignored that. having BS flawed logic like “2x from here” is why crypto holders lose money holding bags. where is the greatest return NOW. cycling smaller gains multiple times works out better in the end

ubermensch1001

Bro, you just explained wtf I'm getting at lol. What is more undervalued right now, ADA or ETH? That's exactly what I'm trying to explain to you people lol.

UC_DiscExchange

My whole point is that it's not necessarily easier for it to double. That thinking is a logical fallacy. Despite going parabolic anyone in finance would tell you it's easier for Nvidia to double than it is for Nike, which is down 80%. That's because Nvidia has a fundamental reason to continue growing while Nike losing market share. Prior price action is not correlated to future price action and it isn't the basis of any intelligent investment thesis. The true answer to your question is to ask whether ADA or ETH has a fundamental claim to being undervalued today and answering that question has nothing to do with what the price used to be.

ubermensch1001

The whole fucking point is that for ADA to double to 40 cents is a far easier task than for ETH to double to 5k. When the market gets bullish everything pumps. This isn't difficult to understand. I'm not even saying he should buy more ADA. It's not going to $0 and can easily hit multiples from here without getting anywhere near $1, let alone all time highs. I wouldn't sell a position at the bottom after retail has already capitulated and while whales accumulated. I would let this position ride while I was buying something else this year. He only owns 10k ADA, which isn't even that much $ anyway. I'm 80% Bitcoin and been here since 2018, that's what I'm primarily accumulating this year. If I wanted to make some easy short term swing trades ADA wouldn't be a bad choice from here for the reasons I've mentioned. I'm not particularly excited about buying Sol or ETH at these prices again for reasons I mentioned IF my goal was a shorter term swing trade.

jawni

>selling at this price point is idiotic. And continuing to hold and selling lower would be what? Beyond idiotic? You should be selling anything you aren't bullish on, otherwise you'll likely be realizing an even bigger loss later on. Waiting for an "alt season pump" or something like that to save you is foolish. Find an asset you are bullish on, sell the ADA, buy the new asset.

jawni

yeah as a staunch long-time ADA hater and SOL holder, I remember your name, glad you've finally seen the light.

ubermensch1001

Lol, bro you don't even know what that guy's $ cost average is on his ADA bag lol. Where tf did he mention buying at a $1, he said he was hoping for it wtf. The whole fucking point is that if someone had a position in ADA right now it would be far easier for that to 2x from here compared to ETH. Maybe he just bought these ADA tokens at these lows or maybe he bought them a while ago. How do you not understand this?!?

ubermensch1001

You obviously don't get what I'm talking about just like the other guy. What is easier from here, a 2x for ADA or ETH?

ubermensch1001

You obviously do because you are going on about it earlier as if it had any relevance to what is being discussed. The whole fucking point is that the guy who made this thread has 10k ADA tokens and that selling makes no sense given we are at the bottom of the market. A 2x going back to 40 cents is way easier than if he took these funds and reallocated them into ETH or Solana where for them to do a 2x gets close to their all time highs. You can make fantastic returns from here without it going any near all time highs or even $1. I'm not speculating on longer term potential, but when the market runs everything runs. I shouldn't even have to explain this.

crazybird-thereal

I dont know since how you are in crypto, but here a cold reality : \- DCA BTC only. \- You found a better coin ( it’s better, perform better, do more, more secure, ...), do DCA BTC only. \- You saw this coin doing a x1000, it’s already too late for you to make money on it, do DCA BTC only. \- Since 2017, I started crypto (with mining), and never spend money on BTC, thinking, something else could do better, it’s totaly correct to says if i had spend my money into DCA BTC only instead, i should be between 3 to 5 times richer. I saw many btc killer, I also had ADA, but market is not "logic", it’s seems to only reward : DCA BTC only. Just do a boring brainless DCA BTC only, and forget about the rest, your life will be easyer

ubermensch1001

You don't get it, bro. ADA going to 30 cents would be a 50% move from here and 40 cents is close to a 2x. A 2x on ETH is close to ATH territory and not far off for Sol. The point is that ADA doesn't need to do all that much to see these types of gains while for those other 2 it would be a very big deal. You are parroting too much nonsense from reddit here and don't understand what I'm talking about. Retail completely capitulated after the yoroi wallet hack while whales were loading up on ADA, does it make more sense to do what retail did or take notice of what whales did instead? ADA will run with the rest of the market when it gets bullish again and you could potentially huge gains without needing to get anywhere near ATHs.

ubermensch1001

You realize ADA was trading at 16 cents and even as low as 14 cents back in June after the yoroi wallet hack?

Main-Towel-3678

Waiting for double is a hurdle you might shoot yourself in the foot for. What’s more likely to be up 25% within 6 months? ETH and SOL are up 35% in a month, while ADA is only up 15%.

ubermensch1001

Outside of BTC, the main alts are ETH, XRP, Sol, ADA and Link. You probably could add Tron there as well. The whole point is that if you are still holding ADA right now it makes absolutely no sense to be selling near the lows here lol, which is exactly what retail did back in June after the yoroi wallet hack.

_Commando_

The only thing that I don't like about ADA is that "A LOT" of the activity is actually "off chain" at least 50+% of it via their partners and bridges, which is why I always keep seeing comments like "oh Cardano is dead, no activity..." but in reality it's quite the opposite. I mined ETH when it was $3, also mined BTC when it was sub $60 so I've been around for a while and know ADA is holding a great set of cards. As the old saying goes "Good things take time".

breakboyzz

100%, there are other coins that will do better, but the horse i mainly bet on is ADA. i like Midnight also, its a privacy smart contract chain that i can see enterprises seeing value in with cardanos tech stack to back it up. ADA rises really fucking fast to ridiculous numbers, but then it crashes super hard. i can see it going wayyy beyond $1 this round, that is super unrealistic in an alt bull run. when trump tweeted about those coins, ADA and all the other 4 coins went absolutely ballistic. ADA is just one of those coins everyone sleeps on, then tries to ride the rocket and end up losing because they buy at ATH, then go and spread hate because it went down when everything else went down also

ubermensch1001

If someone were looking to build a position in ADA now is the time to be doing so. It spent almost all of last year trading above 60 cents and even in the beginning of this year it was at just under 40 cents. Buying at around 20 cents or lower is a fantastic entry point for easy profits.

ubermensch1001

If in 2027-2029 we actually get a lot of euphoria into the crypto market ADA will ride along with it. 2024-2025 we essentially had no alt season and it was entirely BTC, with a select few alts doing very well; Solana and XRP in particular. ETH really didn't do anything during this time, summer of 2023 it was trading at a similar price to where we were until this pump in the market in August. Let's say we see BTC hit a new all time high and go above 200k in 2028, alts for sure will rally hard. Seeing ETH at 5k+ will be very easy and I think this is when we actually see the alt season everyone was hoping for in 2025. If ETH gets to 8k+ it's not at all unrealistic to see ADA back to $1+. We can speculate all day as to whether it will go to it's ATH of $3 or well beyond, but the point is that EVERYTHING will run hard if we do in fact see an alt season. ADA right now at 20 cents is at a place where huge gains can be made WITHOUT even needing to be anywhere near ATH.

Dehyak

Let’s be honest, even if it did, it doesn’t matter. Speculation over everything and ADA is passed its speculation phase. Whatever product it offers, it’ll be whatever. I have a huge bag of ADA, and I don’t feel bad for holding it, but the last cycle showed us where the market speculated ADA and it wasn’t impressive. Still enjoying decent yield, but will enjoy it more at or around $1

timidpterodactyl

ADA could have been huge if its defi was working properly.

MiaTaude589

Ouch, “brace for $0.50” sounds less like a bullish target and more like holders asking for a refund. ADA headlines have been promising the next bounce since my 2021 bags were still fresh lol

awezumsaws

What does ADA offer that other chains don't already do?

jawni

There are a lot of projects like Kaspa where a bunch of non-technical people have convinced themselves that they can make informed decisions about tech and for some reason they think they know better than all the people who actually have technical backgrounds. (other examples ICP, HBAR, KTA, XNO, ADA, ALGO) Just ask them "if the tech is so good, why does no one use it or build on it?" Then wait for them to inevitably blame a "lack of marketing", to confirm that they are part of this group.

gunnychamero

Buying coins like XRP, ADA, XLM coz they are cheap and could make them billionares !

AdOk1101

Crypto currencies are nothing more then TCP/IP based application network protocols. Most crypto currencies have limited/obsolete technical features, including BTC. A number of crypto currencies are used in other countries as forms of day-to-day payment. It's not really like that in the US right now due to political and public bullshit. So for US use of crypto, it's primarily speculative investment. Crypto trading is basically a contemporary form of Forex trading. That being said, I know Switzerland recently introduced ADA for direct retail integration. There are also crypto debit type payment cards allowing for payment via crypto.

automationEngineer1

ADA will shine

HelloYatta

LINK & ADA with our luck another pandemic strikes and the normies get bored again. 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

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LivingShine83

ADA https://preview.redd.it/vuc66sb4l0oh1.jpeg?width=1145&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0846ed2eff38b59147f7086f9a50064e23326b0b

ubermensch1001

Bro, I never said I was buying more ADA lol. I am also 80% BTC and been around since 2018. I bought heavily in 2022 and been doing so again this year, this why I'm leaning towards being 100% BTC with these funds. I've considered maybe getting some Solana but not really that excited about it at this price. Also, I used coingecko for alt pairings to BTC.

ShittingOutPosts

That’s as far back as Coinbase reports. But if you think ADA will perform like it did in its first few years, then by all means buy more. I honestly could not care less. FWIW, I rode my ADA from about $0.10 to $3.00, and eventually dumped it around $0.80. At the time I thought that was the bottom…yet here we are. Converting my alts to BTC was one of the best financial decisions of my life. I’m just trying to provide you with some perspective.

ubermensch1001

Bro, June was the bottom for alts and we are just now starting to stabilize. ADA specifically is right around the lows of late 2022. It makes no sense to sell that now but I could totally see a case for that when it runs along with the rest of the market, which will happen. A 2x is only 44 cents, whereas for BTC this is 160k. If we see BTC run to 160k, whenever that happens, alts will collectively explode. Again, I can see offloading this during a rally but not when we are consolidating after a major bear market low.

ShittingOutPosts

It’s not always the case that alts outperform BTC. I posted a chart in a separate comment. ADA/BTC is trending rapidly to zero.

ShittingOutPosts

How long has it been since ADA last made a new all time high? Can you give me three examples of real world adoption with real significance for ADA? Who’s actually using ADA?

ubermensch1001

You don't dump your holdings at the bottom of the market lol. A 2x for ADA is 44 cents from here, we spent virtually all of last year ranging above 60 cents and were at $1.30 in late 2024. This all happened with no alt season during a period quantitative tightening. Makes absolutely no sense to do that, you clearly don't understand how this works.

ShittingOutPosts

Because ADA will bleed out against BTC.

ubermensch1001

Heavily leaning towards 100% BTC because I already am holding a lot of money in ETH and ADA, been in the market for a long time. Considering Solana but not super excited about buying at this price.

TheGridOutreach

Well I support as many as I could, digital dollars are digital dollars. ETH, SOL and ADA have the biggest vocal communities.

ShittingOutPosts

ADA? Dump that shit. Convert all of your alts to BTC.

Torix_xiroT

I‘would Pay 1 whole ADA

NonVideBunt

My ADA bags are large… hope it eventually comes back baby!

Temporary-Cause730

I don't think we will have a broad altseason where every coin pumps, like we did in other cycles. Too many coins now, so it's very important that you select good coins to hold. I also think that many dino coins from the past won't have a good performance, like XRP, ADA, XLM. The coins that will pump will be the ones that generate revenue, like HYPE, LIT, PUMP. 

Smarthodl3949

The reason people think the space is mostly for gambling on coins and illegal activity is the media is also run by these billionaires that know they can be put on their knees if masses understand the capabilities we have at our hands. It’s really quite sad. Also look into Charles Hoskinsons YouTube whiteboards. He is a genius in the space that was one of the creators of ethereum and know owns ADA.

VishalJ_05

Whale accumulation is interesting, but ADA still has a serious supply wall overhead. I’d want to see a clean break and hold above **$0.20–$0.21** before getting too bullish.

crap_punchline

cashcat on robinhood is about to send hard and your dumbass coworkers who have spent 1/1000th the time you have researching crypto are gonna load up their app and start chasing the price and will make more money in a week than you have in 5 years while you wait for mean reversions on your "fundamentals" based portfolio of ADA, QTUM and MELANIA LMAAAAOOO

ivanx90

Really appreciate you actually reading through the code, this is exactly the kind of feedback I was hoping for. The gradient booster idea makes sense in theory but yeah, like you said, not enough data at 2h resolution to train anything reliable right now. Filed away for later if we ever get more history. The per-asset thing hit hardest though, went and checked it right after reading your comment. Same exact strategy across 10 coins on the 2H bot, 3 months of data: LINK 71% winrate, +0.71 ADA 70% winrate, +0.59 SOL 50% winrate, +0.07 BNB 50% winrate, -0.64 DOGE 42% winrate, -0.76 NEAR 43% winrate, -1.86 XRP 29% winrate, -1.07 AVAX 27% winrate, -1.52 BTC 20% winrate, -0.94 ETH 30% winrate, -2.19 Basically confirms exactly what you guessed without even seeing the numbers. One model, wildly different results per coin. Feels like the next real thing to dig into rather than more exit tuning. Volatility-adaptive stops instead of fixed thresholds lines up with something we found digging into MFE/MAE research before posting here (Chandelier exit type stuff), so good to hear it independently from someone who actually trades this way. You're right on the order book too, we're doing a REST snapshot via fetch_order_book, not a real delta stream, and yeah the main loop is just sleeping 60s between polls. Both accurate, both would be a real infra upgrade, just not sure yet if that's the bottleneck or if it's the per-asset thing above. Probably worth doing eventually either way. Maker vs taker on exit is a good point for whenever this goes live, but it's all paper trading right now so no real fills happening yet, nothing to optimize there for the moment. Thanks again, this was way more useful than I expected when I posted.

CryptoKola21

90% bitcoin, 2% shitcoins (Eth, ADA, SOL) 8% Stocks (msci World etf, single stocks like nvidia, Microsoft etc.)

Dense_Weight_633

Some alts are pumping, the ones that are doing ok on their own, for example XMR , HYPE and a couple of others. This cycle is only for tokens with revenue that treat their token holders like shareholders. Old dyno tokens like DOT, ADA, Cosmos, Avax,  and many more that were popular previously are never coming back really. 

CommercialLychee7956

It didn't do much in 24-25 when BTC was pumping, the pump happened afterwards when BTC had more or less topped. If I buy an alt, I like one that moves with BTC because it's easier to predict when to get in/out and if it's been around a while there's a chart to analyze. And yeah I roped myself into buying some ADA back in 22, learned my lesson. Tbh it doesn't matter how nice a project is conceptually, it matters how much activity it has and if big money wants to buy it (if your goal is making money off crypto, that is).

Thu212

Funny I Actually bought ADA before the price went up, now got rid of it 

StraightG0lden

XRP, SOL, ADA, etc (your "major" altcoins) would all be about the same gambling on which way the U.S. Senate votes on September 15th so one of them is pretty much as good as the others for the short term. If there's a favorable vote they're all going up pretty fast. If the vote goes against them they're all dropping just as fast. Their immediate value is going to be 100% dependent on how the vote goes. So it's up to you if you get in on that gamble or not and I'm not going to advise one way or the other because it's basically a coin flip. Long term I personally don't like XRP because of how Ripple's handled it but that has no real bearing on the immediate price.

SeriousGains

If you really like losing money, I’d recommend ADA or maybe DOGE.