ADA

Whoa_Bundy

Sold most of my alts before alt season went to shit and never really recovered. Except for ADA. I stubbornly held on and now I’m left with a bag that I can helpfully unload someday.

nonFungibleHuman

Hold and stake in ADA for continuous profit.

AggravatingGuest1956

reminds me of the ADA truthers a few years back. No one is using the chain

breakboyzz

idk bro, ADA generated the 9th highest 24h trade volume on Polymarkets crypto perpetuals, surpassing BNB, XRP, Dogecoin, Chainlink and everything below 9th place.

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LukaBrasi87

Been holding for like a year. Hardly any action. Reading everywhere that the only way is up to like $1 and beyond but still stagnant. Is ADA really dead?

LukaBrasi87

Hardly any action. Reading everywhere that the only way is up to like $1 and beyond but still stagnant. Is ADA really dead? ATH/6M level was like a dream....

ubermensch1001

He isn't the only one, there were several other posters on here that were arguing with me about this. This was a reply I made to another poster more or less arguing with me about the same thing pertaining to buying ETH vs. ADA right now. "Let's say we go into 2027; the market is starting to get into a bullish environment and BTC is trading at 90k+. Let's say ETH at this point is trading at 4k, so a little over a 50% move from here. What do you think would happen with the rest of the alts? In this environment, do you see ADA at best matching ETH's performance by only being at 30 cents? Very short term price action is impossible to predict and pointless. For instance, in the fall of 2024 ADA was trading around 35 cents while ETH was at a similar price to where we are currently, about $2400. After the 2024 election hype ADA traded as high as $1.30 while ETH peaked at about 4k. I'll use XLM as an example from that same time period. Right before the election it was trading around 10 cents and then climbed above 50 cents at it's peak, so a 5x. A weak example would be LTC, it was around $65 and peaked at a little over $100 in this same time period. Another one is Bcash, both of these had very little price movement for years leading up to this, at least relative to the rest of the alts out there. The whole point is that when we do get bullish phases with alts, ETH leads and many of the alts with smaller market caps will OUTPERFORM it. IF someone were looking to do this, they need to be able to identify the correct time to be buying. I'm not saying people should do this, the point is that when ETH pops hard relative to BTC the broader alt coin market follows along even stronger. It has nothing to do with fundamentals of the coin lol. If you aren't aware, virtually all alts, including ETH, are primarily driven by hype and speculation. Picking the horse that runs the fastest is honestly going to come down to luck. What is NOT luck is identifying when these alts are low and where they could be making large gains for profit. What you are seeing now is NOT a bullish phase in the market, it's a bear market rally. This is not the same as the Q1 2024 ETF pump, the Q4 election pump or the spring 2021 alt season. When this occurs again, and it will, you will see what I'm describing here play out."

YaAldrich

That’s fair. Solana is a good example of how market sentiment can get way too extreme. I agree that a strong bull market can lift a lot of assets, but I’d still separate a market-wide pump from sustainable growth. For ADA, I’d want to see stronger adoption and on-chain activity along with the price.

YaAldrich

Cardano still has a solid community and continues to develop, but getting back to its previous all-time high will depend on more than just another bull market. I’d be watching network activity, developer growth, DeFi adoption, and whether Cardano can attract more real users and liquidity. $1 is certainly possible in a strong market, but I wouldn’t treat it as a given. With 10,000 ADA, I’d focus more on whether the fundamentals are improving than on one specific price target.

Orson_G

lol... ADA has no game just hype and promises that never materalise

cali_dave

Lots of stuff. I can't consolidate years of research into a Reddit comment, but I'll start with a couple things: Liquid non-custodial staking. On Ethereum, for example, if you don't have 32 ETH to run your own validator and you want to earn a passive yield, you have to send your ETH to a third party like Lido. You then get rewards in a separate token which you have to convert if you want to exit your position. In addition, the tokens are locked up in the smart contract - you can't move your ETH around freely. With Cardano, your ADA never leaves your wallet. You receive rewards in ADA, not a rewards or wrapped token. You don't have to trust that Lido or whoever is handling your tokens correctly. There is no slashing. The eUTXO model. There is no variable gas fee. You know exactly what the fee will be before you submit the transaction. You know that the transaction will succeed. You don't need a smart contract to launch a token. Cardano is big on trustless systems. You don't need to trust all these third parties to do things because the blockchain handles it natively. Midnight is going to be even better. Selective disclosure (the bouncer at the bar doesn't need to see your whole ID with your address, birthday, and weight on it, he just needs to know you're of legal drinking age) - privacy where you want it. Holding NIGHT generates DUST which is used to pay for transaction fees. In other words, transactions are free unless you're exceeding your DUST generation. There's a lot of really cool tech in Cardano that doesn't matter to people who are only looking for a quick buck.

ubermensch1001

According to the trolls on here you'd be lucky to ever see ADA at 40 cents lol.

ubermensch1001

Yeah, man, I've been in this space since 2018, BTC is the only thing I'm still holding from way back then. Going into the bull market of spring 2021 I had large bags in ETH, LTC and Bcash. ETH I continued to hold until early 2024 when I converted it into BTC after months of thinking about it lol. LTC and Bcash I exited a very long time ago, they were bags I bought on robinhood in late 2020 that I rode into huge profits in 2021. My average on LTC was $40 and it peaked at $400 that year and for bcash my average was $200 and it peaked at $1400. 80% BTC right now but have large holdings in ETH and ADA. ETH I bought heavily last spring when it's pairing to BTC was under .02 and ADA I've been buying heavily whenever it was under 30 cents. Scooped some up with the lows here earlier in the summer but mostly just been buying BTC this year. This stack of cash I have in reserve is going to be my last big move for a while so I want to spend a lot of time weighing my options.

ubermensch1001

I just left you a well written and fantastic reply and you still don't fucking get it lol. You are on here just to argue for the sake of arguing about ADA when I'm explaining to you how alt seasons work lol. You seriously can't make this up, my god you are a loser.

treatmelikeawhat

it’s clear you are the one who doesn’t understand anything of what we are saying. and even if we go with your flawed logic of someone only being able to buy once and sell once in the cycle, you’re making it like ADA is the only alt out there. others have been performing much better and will probably keep performing much better.

ubermensch1001

Bro, I'm talking about right here and right fucking now with ADA. The guy has these coins locked in at the time we are writing on here. Let's say we go into 2027; the market is starting to get into a bullish environment and BTC is trading at 90k+. Let's say ETH at this point is trading at 4k, so a little over a 50% move from here. What do you think would happen with the rest of the alts? In this environment, do you see ADA at best matching ETH's performance by only being at 30 cents? Very short term price action is impossible to predict and pointless. For instance, in the fall of 2024 ADA was trading around 35 cents while ETH was at a similar price to where we are currently, about $2400. After the 2024 election hype ADA traded as high as $1.30 while ETH peaked at about 4k. I'll use XLM as an example from that same time period. Right before the election it was trading around 10 cents and then climbed above 50 cents at it's peak, so a 5x. A weak example would be LTC, it was around $65 and peaked at a little over $100 in this same time period. Another one is Bcash, both of these had very little price movement for years leading up to this, at least relative to the rest of the alts out there. The whole point is that when we do get bullish phases with alts, ETH leads and many of the alts with smaller market caps will OUTPERFORM it. IF someone were looking to do this, they need to be able to identify the correct time to be buying. I'm not saying people should do this, the point is that when ETH pops hard relative to BTC the broader alt coin market follows along even stronger. It has nothing to do with fundamentals of the coin lol. If you aren't aware, virtually all alts, including ETH, are primarily driven by hype and speculation. Picking the horse that runs the fastest is honestly going to come down to luck. What is NOT luck is identifying when these alts are low and where they could be making large gains for profit.

ubermensch1001

2024-2025 we never had an alt season. However, in an environment like in the spring of 2021 EVEYTHING pumps hard when a wave of liquidity enters in with FOMO and euphoria. LTC in the spring of 2021 trading above $400, it's highs from 2017. I'm not saying to buy LTC, but the point is that everything does this under this types of market conditions. If you can spot when it's a good time to buy alts you can make moves. With this particular thread, you could buy ADA around 20 cents and hold this for a period of time. When the market has some sort of euphoria, which eventually will happen, you can bet this will pump. We can speculate all day as to what this could do, but buying at this point IF you wanted to would be solid. In my honest opinion, alts collectively are for speculative moves and swing trading, including ETH. They should only be touched when looking at it with this lens AND with the goal to swing trade this for profits. If you can identify when it is the correct time to be buying them you'll do well. For instance, I didn't touch ETH at all in 2022-2024 because it's pairing to BTC was still strong. However, in the spring of 2025 it dropped under .02 to BTC, it's cycle lows with it's BTC pairing that go all the way back to late 2019. I made a lump sum purchase here. Now, I could have been buying ETH at a similar price in the 2nd half of 2022, but it's pairing to BTC at the time was ABOVE .05. If I had bought ETH at the time I would have watched this slowly bleed compared to BTC over those years. For instance, 10 ETH bought at 1.2k in late 2022 could have bought me roughly .75 BTC. That 10 ETH in the spring of 2025 would have been only worth .2 BTC. Most people don't understand this, which is why they either get wrecked by buying alts at high $ valuation OR where they would have made better gains just buying BTC instead.

treatmelikeawhat

ffs we all understand. you dont understand. In the time it takes you waiting for another 2x, you could have better returns NOW elsewhere. You might be waiting half a year while other things are outpacing ADA. ever heard of opportunity cost? they brought up how ETH and SOL bounced much higher on BTC’s recent leg but you ignored that. having BS flawed logic like “2x from here” is why crypto holders lose money holding bags. where is the greatest return NOW. cycling smaller gains multiple times works out better in the end

ubermensch1001

Bro, you just explained wtf I'm getting at lol. What is more undervalued right now, ADA or ETH? That's exactly what I'm trying to explain to you people lol.

UC_DiscExchange

My whole point is that it's not necessarily easier for it to double. That thinking is a logical fallacy. Despite going parabolic anyone in finance would tell you it's easier for Nvidia to double than it is for Nike, which is down 80%. That's because Nvidia has a fundamental reason to continue growing while Nike losing market share. Prior price action is not correlated to future price action and it isn't the basis of any intelligent investment thesis. The true answer to your question is to ask whether ADA or ETH has a fundamental claim to being undervalued today and answering that question has nothing to do with what the price used to be.

ubermensch1001

The whole fucking point is that for ADA to double to 40 cents is a far easier task than for ETH to double to 5k. When the market gets bullish everything pumps. This isn't difficult to understand. I'm not even saying he should buy more ADA. It's not going to $0 and can easily hit multiples from here without getting anywhere near $1, let alone all time highs. I wouldn't sell a position at the bottom after retail has already capitulated and while whales accumulated. I would let this position ride while I was buying something else this year. He only owns 10k ADA, which isn't even that much $ anyway. I'm 80% Bitcoin and been here since 2018, that's what I'm primarily accumulating this year. If I wanted to make some easy short term swing trades ADA wouldn't be a bad choice from here for the reasons I've mentioned. I'm not particularly excited about buying Sol or ETH at these prices again for reasons I mentioned IF my goal was a shorter term swing trade.

jawni

>selling at this price point is idiotic. And continuing to hold and selling lower would be what? Beyond idiotic? You should be selling anything you aren't bullish on, otherwise you'll likely be realizing an even bigger loss later on. Waiting for an "alt season pump" or something like that to save you is foolish. Find an asset you are bullish on, sell the ADA, buy the new asset.

jawni

yeah as a staunch long-time ADA hater and SOL holder, I remember your name, glad you've finally seen the light.

ubermensch1001

Lol, bro you don't even know what that guy's $ cost average is on his ADA bag lol. Where tf did he mention buying at a $1, he said he was hoping for it wtf. The whole fucking point is that if someone had a position in ADA right now it would be far easier for that to 2x from here compared to ETH. Maybe he just bought these ADA tokens at these lows or maybe he bought them a while ago. How do you not understand this?!?

ubermensch1001

You obviously don't get what I'm talking about just like the other guy. What is easier from here, a 2x for ADA or ETH?

ubermensch1001

You obviously do because you are going on about it earlier as if it had any relevance to what is being discussed. The whole fucking point is that the guy who made this thread has 10k ADA tokens and that selling makes no sense given we are at the bottom of the market. A 2x going back to 40 cents is way easier than if he took these funds and reallocated them into ETH or Solana where for them to do a 2x gets close to their all time highs. You can make fantastic returns from here without it going any near all time highs or even $1. I'm not speculating on longer term potential, but when the market runs everything runs. I shouldn't even have to explain this.

crazybird-thereal

I dont know since how you are in crypto, but here a cold reality : \- DCA BTC only. \- You found a better coin ( it’s better, perform better, do more, more secure, ...), do DCA BTC only. \- You saw this coin doing a x1000, it’s already too late for you to make money on it, do DCA BTC only. \- Since 2017, I started crypto (with mining), and never spend money on BTC, thinking, something else could do better, it’s totaly correct to says if i had spend my money into DCA BTC only instead, i should be between 3 to 5 times richer. I saw many btc killer, I also had ADA, but market is not "logic", it’s seems to only reward : DCA BTC only. Just do a boring brainless DCA BTC only, and forget about the rest, your life will be easyer

ubermensch1001

You don't get it, bro. ADA going to 30 cents would be a 50% move from here and 40 cents is close to a 2x. A 2x on ETH is close to ATH territory and not far off for Sol. The point is that ADA doesn't need to do all that much to see these types of gains while for those other 2 it would be a very big deal. You are parroting too much nonsense from reddit here and don't understand what I'm talking about. Retail completely capitulated after the yoroi wallet hack while whales were loading up on ADA, does it make more sense to do what retail did or take notice of what whales did instead? ADA will run with the rest of the market when it gets bullish again and you could potentially huge gains without needing to get anywhere near ATHs.

ubermensch1001

You realize ADA was trading at 16 cents and even as low as 14 cents back in June after the yoroi wallet hack?

Main-Towel-3678

Waiting for double is a hurdle you might shoot yourself in the foot for. What’s more likely to be up 25% within 6 months? ETH and SOL are up 35% in a month, while ADA is only up 15%.

ubermensch1001

Outside of BTC, the main alts are ETH, XRP, Sol, ADA and Link. You probably could add Tron there as well. The whole point is that if you are still holding ADA right now it makes absolutely no sense to be selling near the lows here lol, which is exactly what retail did back in June after the yoroi wallet hack.

_Commando_

The only thing that I don't like about ADA is that "A LOT" of the activity is actually "off chain" at least 50+% of it via their partners and bridges, which is why I always keep seeing comments like "oh Cardano is dead, no activity..." but in reality it's quite the opposite. I mined ETH when it was $3, also mined BTC when it was sub $60 so I've been around for a while and know ADA is holding a great set of cards. As the old saying goes "Good things take time".

breakboyzz

100%, there are other coins that will do better, but the horse i mainly bet on is ADA. i like Midnight also, its a privacy smart contract chain that i can see enterprises seeing value in with cardanos tech stack to back it up. ADA rises really fucking fast to ridiculous numbers, but then it crashes super hard. i can see it going wayyy beyond $1 this round, that is super unrealistic in an alt bull run. when trump tweeted about those coins, ADA and all the other 4 coins went absolutely ballistic. ADA is just one of those coins everyone sleeps on, then tries to ride the rocket and end up losing because they buy at ATH, then go and spread hate because it went down when everything else went down also

ubermensch1001

If someone were looking to build a position in ADA now is the time to be doing so. It spent almost all of last year trading above 60 cents and even in the beginning of this year it was at just under 40 cents. Buying at around 20 cents or lower is a fantastic entry point for easy profits.

ubermensch1001

If in 2027-2029 we actually get a lot of euphoria into the crypto market ADA will ride along with it. 2024-2025 we essentially had no alt season and it was entirely BTC, with a select few alts doing very well; Solana and XRP in particular. ETH really didn't do anything during this time, summer of 2023 it was trading at a similar price to where we were until this pump in the market in August. Let's say we see BTC hit a new all time high and go above 200k in 2028, alts for sure will rally hard. Seeing ETH at 5k+ will be very easy and I think this is when we actually see the alt season everyone was hoping for in 2025. If ETH gets to 8k+ it's not at all unrealistic to see ADA back to $1+. We can speculate all day as to whether it will go to it's ATH of $3 or well beyond, but the point is that EVERYTHING will run hard if we do in fact see an alt season. ADA right now at 20 cents is at a place where huge gains can be made WITHOUT even needing to be anywhere near ATH.

Dehyak

Let’s be honest, even if it did, it doesn’t matter. Speculation over everything and ADA is passed its speculation phase. Whatever product it offers, it’ll be whatever. I have a huge bag of ADA, and I don’t feel bad for holding it, but the last cycle showed us where the market speculated ADA and it wasn’t impressive. Still enjoying decent yield, but will enjoy it more at or around $1

timidpterodactyl

ADA could have been huge if its defi was working properly.

MiaTaude589

Ouch, “brace for $0.50” sounds less like a bullish target and more like holders asking for a refund. ADA headlines have been promising the next bounce since my 2021 bags were still fresh lol

awezumsaws

What does ADA offer that other chains don't already do?

jawni

There are a lot of projects like Kaspa where a bunch of non-technical people have convinced themselves that they can make informed decisions about tech and for some reason they think they know better than all the people who actually have technical backgrounds. (other examples ICP, HBAR, KTA, XNO, ADA, ALGO) Just ask them "if the tech is so good, why does no one use it or build on it?" Then wait for them to inevitably blame a "lack of marketing", to confirm that they are part of this group.

gunnychamero

Buying coins like XRP, ADA, XLM coz they are cheap and could make them billionares !

AdOk1101

Crypto currencies are nothing more then TCP/IP based application network protocols. Most crypto currencies have limited/obsolete technical features, including BTC. A number of crypto currencies are used in other countries as forms of day-to-day payment. It's not really like that in the US right now due to political and public bullshit. So for US use of crypto, it's primarily speculative investment. Crypto trading is basically a contemporary form of Forex trading. That being said, I know Switzerland recently introduced ADA for direct retail integration. There are also crypto debit type payment cards allowing for payment via crypto.

automationEngineer1

ADA will shine

HelloYatta

LINK & ADA with our luck another pandemic strikes and the normies get bored again. 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

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ADA https://preview.redd.it/vuc66sb4l0oh1.jpeg?width=1145&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0846ed2eff38b59147f7086f9a50064e23326b0b

ubermensch1001

Bro, I never said I was buying more ADA lol. I am also 80% BTC and been around since 2018. I bought heavily in 2022 and been doing so again this year, this why I'm leaning towards being 100% BTC with these funds. I've considered maybe getting some Solana but not really that excited about it at this price. Also, I used coingecko for alt pairings to BTC.

ShittingOutPosts

That’s as far back as Coinbase reports. But if you think ADA will perform like it did in its first few years, then by all means buy more. I honestly could not care less. FWIW, I rode my ADA from about $0.10 to $3.00, and eventually dumped it around $0.80. At the time I thought that was the bottom…yet here we are. Converting my alts to BTC was one of the best financial decisions of my life. I’m just trying to provide you with some perspective.

ubermensch1001

Bro, June was the bottom for alts and we are just now starting to stabilize. ADA specifically is right around the lows of late 2022. It makes no sense to sell that now but I could totally see a case for that when it runs along with the rest of the market, which will happen. A 2x is only 44 cents, whereas for BTC this is 160k. If we see BTC run to 160k, whenever that happens, alts will collectively explode. Again, I can see offloading this during a rally but not when we are consolidating after a major bear market low.

ShittingOutPosts

It’s not always the case that alts outperform BTC. I posted a chart in a separate comment. ADA/BTC is trending rapidly to zero.

ShittingOutPosts

How long has it been since ADA last made a new all time high? Can you give me three examples of real world adoption with real significance for ADA? Who’s actually using ADA?

ubermensch1001

You don't dump your holdings at the bottom of the market lol. A 2x for ADA is 44 cents from here, we spent virtually all of last year ranging above 60 cents and were at $1.30 in late 2024. This all happened with no alt season during a period quantitative tightening. Makes absolutely no sense to do that, you clearly don't understand how this works.

ShittingOutPosts

Because ADA will bleed out against BTC.

ubermensch1001

Heavily leaning towards 100% BTC because I already am holding a lot of money in ETH and ADA, been in the market for a long time. Considering Solana but not super excited about buying at this price.

TheGridOutreach

Well I support as many as I could, digital dollars are digital dollars. ETH, SOL and ADA have the biggest vocal communities.

ShittingOutPosts

ADA? Dump that shit. Convert all of your alts to BTC.

Torix_xiroT

I‘would Pay 1 whole ADA

NonVideBunt

My ADA bags are large… hope it eventually comes back baby!

Temporary-Cause730

I don't think we will have a broad altseason where every coin pumps, like we did in other cycles. Too many coins now, so it's very important that you select good coins to hold. I also think that many dino coins from the past won't have a good performance, like XRP, ADA, XLM. The coins that will pump will be the ones that generate revenue, like HYPE, LIT, PUMP. 

Smarthodl3949

The reason people think the space is mostly for gambling on coins and illegal activity is the media is also run by these billionaires that know they can be put on their knees if masses understand the capabilities we have at our hands. It’s really quite sad. Also look into Charles Hoskinsons YouTube whiteboards. He is a genius in the space that was one of the creators of ethereum and know owns ADA.

VishalJ_05

Whale accumulation is interesting, but ADA still has a serious supply wall overhead. I’d want to see a clean break and hold above **$0.20–$0.21** before getting too bullish.

crap_punchline

cashcat on robinhood is about to send hard and your dumbass coworkers who have spent 1/1000th the time you have researching crypto are gonna load up their app and start chasing the price and will make more money in a week than you have in 5 years while you wait for mean reversions on your "fundamentals" based portfolio of ADA, QTUM and MELANIA LMAAAAOOO

ivanx90

Really appreciate you actually reading through the code, this is exactly the kind of feedback I was hoping for. The gradient booster idea makes sense in theory but yeah, like you said, not enough data at 2h resolution to train anything reliable right now. Filed away for later if we ever get more history. The per-asset thing hit hardest though, went and checked it right after reading your comment. Same exact strategy across 10 coins on the 2H bot, 3 months of data: LINK 71% winrate, +0.71 ADA 70% winrate, +0.59 SOL 50% winrate, +0.07 BNB 50% winrate, -0.64 DOGE 42% winrate, -0.76 NEAR 43% winrate, -1.86 XRP 29% winrate, -1.07 AVAX 27% winrate, -1.52 BTC 20% winrate, -0.94 ETH 30% winrate, -2.19 Basically confirms exactly what you guessed without even seeing the numbers. One model, wildly different results per coin. Feels like the next real thing to dig into rather than more exit tuning. Volatility-adaptive stops instead of fixed thresholds lines up with something we found digging into MFE/MAE research before posting here (Chandelier exit type stuff), so good to hear it independently from someone who actually trades this way. You're right on the order book too, we're doing a REST snapshot via fetch_order_book, not a real delta stream, and yeah the main loop is just sleeping 60s between polls. Both accurate, both would be a real infra upgrade, just not sure yet if that's the bottleneck or if it's the per-asset thing above. Probably worth doing eventually either way. Maker vs taker on exit is a good point for whenever this goes live, but it's all paper trading right now so no real fills happening yet, nothing to optimize there for the moment. Thanks again, this was way more useful than I expected when I posted.

CryptoKola21

90% bitcoin, 2% shitcoins (Eth, ADA, SOL) 8% Stocks (msci World etf, single stocks like nvidia, Microsoft etc.)

Dense_Weight_633

Some alts are pumping, the ones that are doing ok on their own, for example XMR , HYPE and a couple of others. This cycle is only for tokens with revenue that treat their token holders like shareholders. Old dyno tokens like DOT, ADA, Cosmos, Avax,  and many more that were popular previously are never coming back really. 

CommercialLychee7956

It didn't do much in 24-25 when BTC was pumping, the pump happened afterwards when BTC had more or less topped. If I buy an alt, I like one that moves with BTC because it's easier to predict when to get in/out and if it's been around a while there's a chart to analyze. And yeah I roped myself into buying some ADA back in 22, learned my lesson. Tbh it doesn't matter how nice a project is conceptually, it matters how much activity it has and if big money wants to buy it (if your goal is making money off crypto, that is).

Thu212

Funny I Actually bought ADA before the price went up, now got rid of it 

StraightG0lden

XRP, SOL, ADA, etc (your "major" altcoins) would all be about the same gambling on which way the U.S. Senate votes on September 15th so one of them is pretty much as good as the others for the short term. If there's a favorable vote they're all going up pretty fast. If the vote goes against them they're all dropping just as fast. Their immediate value is going to be 100% dependent on how the vote goes. So it's up to you if you get in on that gamble or not and I'm not going to advise one way or the other because it's basically a coin flip. Long term I personally don't like XRP because of how Ripple's handled it but that has no real bearing on the immediate price.

SeriousGains

If you really like losing money, I’d recommend ADA or maybe DOGE.

PickleBall_Bandit

I’ve been holding since 2018 and haven’t sold until a week ago. Sold 1000 XRP and 5200 ADA to buy some Gold… of course it would go up, at least I got some shiny for it

External-Sand-9436

Welcome to the world of trading pairs. Your coins aren't just priced in dollars, they're priced against BTC on most exchanges. So when BTC takes a 5% nosedive, the bots and algos instantly rebalance everything to maintain the ratio. It's not people panic selling their ADA because they saw a red candle, it's automated market makers doing their thing. Think of BTC like the tide. All the boats rise and fall with it, even if some have holes and are slowly sinking in satoshi terms.

ComprehensiveSoup628

Still waiting to get out of ADA shithole

SleepingGary

Been holding a big bad of ADA since it was like $1. Oof…

AlternativeHunter543

The top comment asks what happens if it dumps now. Worth knowing what the base rates say, and also what they do not say. I pulled every daily candle across 8 majors (BTC, ETH, SOL, XRP, DOGE, BNB, ADA, LINK) that closed +15% or more. 253 instances. The day after: 57.9% closed red, 30.3% worse than -5%. But the mean next-day return was +0.92% against a +0.21% baseline, and the median was -1.51%. Barbell, not a drift. About one in seven ripped another 10%+ and carried the average by itself. Then I tried to get more specific, because that is exactly the setup we are in now: the pump day was followed by a green day. Across the same sample, the second day after that pattern was green only 41.1% of the time (n=107). Nine points below baseline. That looked like a real edge. So I split the history in half and ran each half separately. First half 38.6%, second half 52.6%. The effect reversed. Sample sizes in the second half are small, but a result that flips sign when you cut the data is not a result, it is a coincidence with good marketing. So I do not have a call for today, and that is the honest answer. What I do have is a note about the first number: after a vertical day, red is the modal outcome, but the tail that pays is fat enough to make the average positive. Anyone quoting only one of those two numbers at you is selling something. Method: daily candles, Binance spot, close vs open on the same candle for the pump day, close to close after.

Kratos1993

You're about to be downvoted to oblivion by ADA army I think

AlternativeHunter543

Since the top comment is asking whether this is a bull trap, here's what the base rates actually say. I pulled every day across 8 majors (BTC, ETH, SOL, XRP, DOGE, BNB, ADA, LINK) where the coin closed up 15% or more on the day. 253 instances. Then I looked at the following day. 57.9% of those next days closed red. 30.3% closed more than 5% down. 13.8% closed more than 10% down. But the average next-day return is +0.92%, comfortably above the +0.21% baseline for a random day. Both of those are true at once, and that is the whole point. The median next day is -1.51% while the mean is positive, because 14.6% of the time the thing rips another 10%+ and drags the average up by itself. The distribution is barbell shaped, not centered. So "is it a bull trap" is the wrong shape of question. Most days after a big pump are red, and the ones that aren't are occasionally enormous. If you size for the average you get run over by the median. If you size for the median you miss the tail that pays. Method: daily candles, Binance spot, up day measured close vs open on the same candle. Happy to be told this breaks somewhere I didn't test.

fan_of_hakiksexydays

lol, you definitely don't sound mad at all. Look at my comment history. I've been shorting since $78K all the way to $83K. Then after the drop to $58K, I warned people not to short until we're past $64K, because of the liquidations. And even have the comment that straight up showed where I was buying: [https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1uxle5r/comment/oxy5med/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1uxle5r/comment/oxy5med/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) That still puts me in the green. Plus I now also shorted the ADA rally to $0.20. Which puts me well in the green. Remind me again how your $74K + bags are doing? I actually kind of feel for you tho. Just stop looking at the charts, and hodl until Q4 of 2027, and you'll be fine.

Deer2011

I feel sorry for all the followers of ADA. They refuse to come to the reality of a ZERO value incoming.

NockBreaker

XRP? I'm still holding ADA.....

larryfishington

Times like this I'm glad I dumped my ADA back when it shot over a dollar

socksockshoeshoe

But I use LTC a million times more than I use ADA (...both zero)

Wheels_McFantini

ADA is a dead chain, you should absolutely dump that. That chain has made less than $1,000 in the last 24 hours. Don't sunk cost fallacy yourself here. Link? Cmon man, it's not 2018 anymore. Solana is probably going to perform the best of the three, though Robinhood chain has stolen it's spotlight. Solanas whole deal was being the fastest and cheapest chain and now it's neither. Honestly probably better to explore other option on chain. Endless amounts of money to be made there.

Jenn2895

I was right there with you in 2018 & am laughing too. I would swap the ADA for Eth & buy $Link with the cash you have put aside.

TentacleHockey

ADA is a great coin for grid trading, for holding not so much.

Previous_Valuable873

XMR is the only true crypto. Look at it's performance compared to BTC in the last year. SOL, ADA, ETH, all joke. https://preview.redd.it/z0kuiwftykjh1.png?width=1099&format=png&auto=webp&s=e9da501148f3ec0c39d4ea88e0bcd00c5530b000

ubermensch1001

I'm assuming you meant to reply to me here. This is exactly why I lean towards just being 100% BTC with the remaining funds and locking in those sats. I already have solid positions in both ETH and ADA, which I've been holding for a long time now, so I have plenty in the alts.

HearingOne2761

No lies detected. Solana got nice tech and fast transactions but when the cycle turns every alt gets sacrificed at the BTC altar. I keep small bag for fun but I would not put serious cash there if you already heavily in BTC and ADA

Django_McFly

Why not *neither*? LINK never got back to it's 2021 high. SOL got back there for like a day or two then quickly crashed. LINK was ~$50 peak in 2021, ~$25 in 2024... 2024 is with more oracles being used and Chainlink looking brighter than ever, just like now. You'd be lucky to get $15 bucks if the trend continues. ADA is an even worse story. It's like you look at diminishing returns every cycle and are assuming *the last cycle is probably the floor*. Imo that's a super gamble. You could bet on the 999,999/1,000,000 or the 1/1,000,000. If you don't stop being silly and take that easy 999,999/1,000,000 bet... None of those tokens are at attractive prices for risk vs just buying BTC imo. I'm not even a BTC maxi but LINK and ADA are like confirmed dog shit. Hoskinson was throating Trump late 2024 and the token still couldn't get within 50% of the 2021 highs. Sometimes the best thing to do if you MUST do something crypto is to buy some stablecoins 1:1 and get your little 4 to 8 % in defi. Or buy BTC. Or just pick the stuff that's winning rather than going out on a limb for darlings from literally two cycles back.

ubermensch1001

At this point I plan on letting my ADA stack ride given how low we are right now. With that said, I don't think adding to it when I already have a lot is necessary. Really leaning towards just buying BTC from here.

D3VOUR3DD

I would run fast away from ADA. It’s a dying chain. Devs are leaving because of its lack of revenue generation. The entire chain is only generating around $300k of fees a year now.. which is not even remotely close to enough. I believe you have to choose wisely when it comes to alts now. This cycle my focus is alts that have actual users, growth and generate real revenue. My list is hyperliquid, pump.fun, solana and lighter. That’s it. I’m not buying anything else

ubermensch1001

Bottom for ADA was most likely in after the Yoroi wallet hack, where those who were using it as a hot wallet had their funds drained. It went down to 14 cents and smaller holders have more or less completely sold off while whales have loaded up heavily. However, I already have a very large position with this and feel that it would be overexposure to continue making large moves. With that said, it's still very attractive given just how cheap it is right now. I am looking to invest 50%+ of this cash into BTC but would prefer making a large move into one or the other with SOL vs. LINK if I decide to go this route. Easiest decision would be 100% BTC, and right now that is what I'm leaning towards.

ubermensch1001

Yeah, man, IF I decide to buy one of these two, my instincts lean towards Solana given the fact that all of the tradfi institutions are even offering it. For instance, it is one of 3 on E Trade and one of the few alts that have ETFs with a lot of activity next to ETH. I'm thinking about either making an entry into Solana OR buying more ADA while it is dirt cheap, the turnaround for shorter term swing trade type profits from here is insane. Do you have any information about Solana that I could look into or at least give me some ideas as to what to look into.

LivingShine83

ADA, in Charles we believe

ubermensch1001

Are you referring to it pumping today? I'm holding off on making any moves for a few weeks here to think about what I might want to do. I loaded up on BTC heavily in February and June at similar prices to where it is at now. I also made a large purchase of ADA earlier in the spring around these levels, not quite the bottom. I've been holding off for the last month and a half to see if we do in fact get another leg down in the fall or at least a revisit to the lows. ETH really doesn't interest me as much as BTC, I just think the potential for gains is not much better than BTC while being way more speculative. ADA easy shorter term swing trades, but like I said I already have a large position in this and didn't want to be too heavily concentrated. Sol I thought was a solid choice, which is why I'm considering it but I also don't know enough about it either.

Left_Entrepreneur918

Most of the Morons in this sub bought ADA and pokadot at their highs. I bought btc and chilled since 2019

ubermensch1001

Given how low it is right now I plan on just letting my ADA position ride. BTC is an obvious one. ETH I think is solid but what makes me a bit less excited about it is I don't think it will make massive returns relative to BTC. For instance, in 2021 it peaked at .085 to BTC, so it could maybe do a 2-2.5x compared to BTC at best. The only alts I'm really considering are maybe SOL and LINK.

Saffuran

**BTC** and **ETH** are solid, I have no faith in ADA but you do you. **SOL** is still solid. Outside of those three mostly only dabble smaller positions in **ZEC** (privacycoin), **HYPE** (good growth map and tokenomics), **ONDO** (traditional markets moving into crypto with a potential inevitability of 24/7 stock trading using blockchain -- general RWA exposure.)

fan_of_hakiksexydays

If I buy alts again, I don't know if I would buy anything beyond ETH. Monero is definitely still useful, but it's getting harder to trade. For gains, maybe ADA? Maybe XRP for institutions? Don't know if I could put any trust in Sol, BNB, Tron, etc... They might get some hype and still rally, but it's so hard to trust. I don't know if I would even want to get into the rollercoaser of meme coins.

archm1chael

I’d start by looking for large communities that resemble past winners in the space like XRP, ADA, DOGE, SOL, BTC. you’ll want to identify that are fanatical and their onchain data backs up what they say on here or X. ideally the coin has bottomed against its btc pair months ago.