ICP

Sassy_Allen

Maybe you should explain more about what is going on? Or also realize as well that currently about half of the tokens are locked and a majority is lock for 8 years. The real liquid supply is actually around Eths supply which is also infinite with less utility to it. Maybe actually learn about ICP before just blatantly saying stuff that you clearly don't understand.

USAtothemoon

My brain dead take is exactly what you just said you fucking twat. As stated, my argument to why tokenomics sucks becomes null and void if ICP actually gained value and usage. Which it isn’t, because dfinity sucks. Eat a bag of dicks and learn to read you dumb cunt.

Sassy_Allen

ICP doesn’t have runaway inflation the way critics frame it. The network pays node providers a stable fiat equivalent reward to keep infrastructure reliable, minting more ICP when the price is low and less when it is high. On the other side all computation burns ICP permanently, and as usage scales those burns can outpace the minting which makes the system deflationary rather than inflationary. With governance set limits on node rewards and growing demand from AI, storage, and dapps, the claim that they just mint and dump ignores half the picture. What a brain dead take.

USAtothemoon

Among just a general shittiness, they mint ICP tokens to pay the node providers. There is a set monthly reimbursement the providers get to run a node. I used to be really in to ICP but it’s been so long that I can’t remember the amount but let’s say it’s $100. If ICP is only $5 then they mint 20 new ICP tokens to pay the provider. If ICP is $20 then they’d mint 5. So they’re constantly minting new ICP tokens to pay providers who turn around and dump them in order to cover their costs. In reality, if the price of $ICP would be more in time with what it should actually be worth, say $50, it wouldn’t be a terrible model but because they don’t do anything to increase price, they’re just constantly inflating the supply.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; The Internet Computer Protocol (ICP) is a revolutionary approach to computing, addressing issues like cybersecurity and reliance on cloud providers. Inspired by Bitcoin's security principles, ICP uses cryptographic protocols and distributed systems to create a decentralized, unhackable, and unstoppable platform for running smart contracts and applications. It offers developers a secure and efficient environment, reducing costs and complexity. ICP has been operational since May 2021 without failures or hacks, delivering on the vision of a World Computer. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

USAtothemoon

ICP has amazing tech, no doubt. But their tokenomics are garbage, their community is small and insufficient, down right insufferable at times. Dfinity that runs it doesn’t listen to the holders, made a shit ton of money on their backs and has zero ability to properly market what they have. Dominic Williams and Jan Carmichael are geniuses but they suck at communicating to the broader crypto community. ICP could be amazing, no doubt, but it’s very unlikely that its potential will ever be realized because the foundation in charge of it absolutely sucks.

LegendaryJohnny

Lol, he is lOnG tErM holder bro. Meaning he is holding dead 2021 coins like Polka Dot or ICP 🤣🤣🤣

Fibocrypto

ICP

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Diode.io announces the launch of new production canisters featuring vetKEY-protected file system functions, enabling end-to-end encrypted file storage and chat functionalities on ICP. This ensures maximum privacy, as only authorized users can access encrypted data. The update allows ICP Canisters to act as 'always on peers' for Diode Zones, enhancing data availability while maintaining privacy. Currently in beta testing, the rollout will soon be available to all users, with source code accessible on GitHub. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

t0rus1

ICP

JetHeavy

Tell him to buy ICP instead if he wants AI . Go look at dfinity.org the foundation responsible for this and tell him to stop buying inferior tech scam or not

JetHeavy

ICP can run Crysis now.

Electronic-Board-977

Hbar, Bonzo. Lots of coins on Sui like Deep and IKA. ICP..?🤔

Natural_NoChemical

Doubling subnet storage to 2 TiB means ICP can now handle larger replicated states, improving scalability and app performance. For developers, this opens the door to building more complex dapps directly on-chain.

Sassy_Allen

It is a fair point, and that is why most chains rely on IPFS, Arweave, or cloud for bulk storage. The tradeoff with ICP is intentional: by replicating the full state across every node in a subnet, you get instant, trustless access to all your data with no extra layers, no availability risk if some nodes vanish, and no need to juggle off chain solutions. It is heavier, but it unlocks things other blockchains cannot do, such as complex and data heavy apps running entirely on chain. ICP also has distributed blob storage on the roadmap, so developers will have both options in the future: fully replicated state when you need it, and cheaper distributed storage when you do not. It is less impractical and more of a different design choice with different strengths.

Sassy_Allen

DFINITY just upgraded every subnet on the Internet Computer to **2 TB of replicated storage**. For context, most blockchains can only handle tiny amounts of on chain data before it gets insanely expensive, so they push developers to use off-chain storage like IPFS or Arweave. On ICP, every node in a subnet holds the full 2 TB state, which means developers can build large, data-heavy applications entirely on chain. With 47 subnets live, that’s **94 TB total replicated capacity** across the network right now. No other blockchain even comes close to this level of seamless, scalable on chain storage.

Sassy_Allen

Caffeine AI is now live, built on the Internet Computer Protocol (ICP), making it possible to create full stack on-chain apps just by chatting. With ICP canisters, your plain English prompts turn directly into decentralized code without relying on AWS or other middlemen. Everything runs inside ICP’s architecture, which means stronger privacy, resilience, and transparency than typical cloud tools. This marks a shift where apps can be built, deployed, and evolved at chat speed while staying fully Web3. An app store is set to launch in October, giving builders and users a direct hub to share and discover what Caffeine AI creates.

AlhadjiX

ICP issues new tokens as staking rewards. Apps burn ICP into cycles for real usage. Net supply = minting minus burning ……. So not endless inflation. Storage and the apps Caffeine creates will lead to more ICP burned than issued. DYOR, or the Cope will be generational.

Miserable_Turnip_380

I'm all for ICP and KTA

raulbloodwurth

I like how their logo matches the max supply of ICP: ∞

Ir0nman123

Artificial Intelligence sector should do very well in the next few months. AI is sexy, it’s the future. Shiny shiny ✨ but seriously, look into FET, TAO ICP.

Sassy_Allen

It is on ICP because the apps and websites you create live on chain, so they cannot be taken down like they could on AWS or other cloud providers. VetKeys add privacy and time locked features, and storage coming online in October is extremely cheap at around 25 dollars per terabyte. Put that together and you get a platform where you can build, store, and protect data in ways that normal cloud just cannot match. It’s uncharted territory once it launches.

GentlemenHODL

This feels like an actual pivotal moment. You now have a prompt based app engineering tool in which you can walk it through and create your own app in minutes. That's wildly impressive. I don't understand what this has to do with blockchain or why it's on ICP though.

Sassy_Allen

Yeah, that is where vetKeys could come in. They allow time locked encryption and selective reveals, so you could store messages or media on ICP and then set rules for when it is viewable or when it wipes. That kind of crypto tooling makes the Signal or Telegram plus ICP storage idea actually workable.

still_salty_22

Is ICP for real...?

Sassy_Allen

I’ve been watching ICP pretty closely. Unlike most chains, the token is an actual utility since ICP gets burned into cycles to run apps, storage, and compute straight on chain. The storage part is not just raw cold storage like Filecoin, it is dynamic storage that can serve websites, dapps, and even AI workloads directly. With Caffeine AI dropping soon and public storage going live, we’re talking apps that are tamperproof, permanent, and can’t just be taken down. Storage will be around 5 bucks a year per GB, like 43 cents a month, which is super competitive for something that is live and on chain. Unlike other AI tools that just spit out code, this actually lets you build and host apps fully on chain. As the network grows and more gets built, more ICP gets used up, and that is where price growth comes from. If adoption keeps building, ICP has way more going for it than just speculation.

Sassy_Allen

Yeah, storage going public in early October is the big step. It will be priced per gigabyte at rates that are meant to compete directly with traditional cloud providers, but with the added difference that once it is on chain it is tamperproof and permanent. The development side is basically done, now it is about rolling it out at scale. This is also where people forget ICP itself is a utility token, it was not designed to just be speculative, it is supposed to reflect actual usage of the blockchain. As more storage, compute, and apps run on ICP, more tokens get burned into cycles, which ties price action directly to adoption. Caffeine AI could play a huge role in that because it makes it easy for non technical users to actually build and deploy apps on chain. That is where the real upside comes from, not just hype but usage that keeps growing over time.

Sassy_Allen

On ICP, data and apps live directly on the blockchain, which makes them tamperproof and impossible for a company to just switch off. There is no AWS or Google style landlord to hand over a DMCA takedown request to. That means we are in completely new territory for how takedown laws interact with decentralized infrastructure. Developers can still build moderation and filtering into their apps, but the underlying data on chain remains untouched. The NNS governance system can step in for extreme cases, but even that is a community decision rather than a corporate one. This flips the current model where hosts carry liability and governments lean on them to police the internet. It forces the question of what censorship even looks like when the infrastructure itself cannot be easily censored. It’s going to be pretty wild when it all goes live publicly.

kidhack

Some interesting use cases here. $25 per terabyte seem like a good deal for data that can be secure, anonymous, and decentralized. It would be awesome to be able to connect services like Signal or Telegram to use storage on ICP so you can view it (without the app) and securely wipe it when ever you wanted.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Dfinity Foundation has launched Caffeine AI, an alpha platform enabling AI-assisted app creation through natural language prompts, aiming to democratize software development for 5 billion smartphone users. Built on the Internet Computer Protocol (ICP), Caffeine allows users to create functional apps in minutes, challenging traditional app store models with features like cloning and modifying apps. Partnering with Anthropic Inc., Dfinity integrates advanced AI models to enhance decentralized computing and Web3 innovation, potentially disrupting the software development landscape. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

DivineMackerel

ICP was an expensive lesson in FOMO for me. I like the technology but was stupid about the price.

Sassy_Allen

A lot of people don’t realize that when ICP launched, Binance and FTX had futures trading before the token was even public. That let insiders push the price up and then crash it, which is why the same old chart still gets thrown around today. Bringing up the launch price now is mostly just cope, because even with that rough start ICP has kept pushing major upgrades and pushing the limits of what blockchains can actually do. Most projects are still talking about features ICP already has live, let alone what is planned next. The focus should not be on the launch price but on how far ahead ICP is compared to all the other blockchains.

Sassy_Allen

People see the storage price on AWS or Filecoin and think that is the whole deal. The catch is you also get billed for compute, data transfer, gateways, and everything else needed to make it actually work, so the real cost ends up much higher. With ICP the number you see for storage is the number you pay. Compute, identity, and file delivery are all built into the same system. It keeps things simple and makes the total cost clear from the start.

bigsequence

Bitcoin and ICP

Bigred-to

ICP

ManyMaroshMondays

ICP learn more here - https://icp-56h.caffeine.xyz/ ( btw ICPs caffeineAI made this website and wrote all of the information with a single prompt - hosted entirely ON CHAIN)

ManyMaroshMondays

ICP

ManyMaroshMondays

$ICP DYOR and see why

penarhw

I think the obsession with everything on-chain often ignores the user experience dimension. Rialo, for instance, doesn’t claim to be an ICP style stack. It’s middleware designed so users don’t feel the on-chain parts at all. If you measure adoption by traction, their community is already exploding

AbbreviationsIll213

https://icptokens.net/ I think ICP ecosystem will explode this run once caffeine ai is public. Every meme on ICP is under 1 million MC. Some aren’t even memes, but legit companies like OpenApp. Even the top RWA (Origyn) is only 25 million MC. If I’m right, there’s huge gains to be made here with very little capital.

t0rus1

ICP

ZeroFuxYT

Its $ICP for me 😘 14% staking rewards for an 8year lockup, for the best tech in the entire space.. Sooo overlooked its insane. Only blockchain that runs games, ai, NFTs, websites, apps, ENTIRLY on chain without reliing on czntralised cloud for hosting 💪 Tired of all these transaction layers claiming "onchain" istge new online, while theres only ONE doing it forreal.

Sassy_Allen

I would wait to see caffeine ai. It comes out to the public in 3 days? I believe Oct 7th is when people will be able to deploy thier websites and applications directly on ICP.

Juice79man

ICP

Sassy_Allen

You can literally use OpenChat, DSCVR, or Distrikt without touching a token. Tokens are just there for governance or extra features. Real people are already using these apps every day without speculating on anything. That is a working example right in front of you. Here is also a link to dapps on ICP https://internetcomputer.org/ecosystem

Sassy_Allen

Best is subjective. If you want smart contracts that can run full apps and services at scale and serve the Internet directly, ICP is the only blockchain built for that.

Podsly

Lost me at ICP 🤣

Sassy_Allen

Not AI, just me actually taking the time to explain ICP instead of tossing out a short post that will be downvoted by people who do not understand how things work.

mindcandy

I also hold Kaspa and see it the same way. Once smart contracts get in, the tech will be solidly awesome. Effectively a new POW ETH at 1000 transactions per second. And, upgrading to 10k soon. The main thing it’s missing is a bunch of rich pre-investors. Because it was fair-launched, no small group has the money to front a marketing campaign for it. So, it just kinda sits there being ignored by the public. And, no group has the money to pay off exchanges for listings. So, it is also ignored there too. And so, I see lots of shill online for ICP, Polygon and Arbitrum but not KAS even though they all have similar market caps. If it was a 21 million coins supply cap like Bitcoin, it would be around $100 per KAS. Does all that mean the price is gonna moon? Maybe. But, I don’t expect it to be fast. Until a year ago it was on a nice smooth curve. And, had action largely decorrelated from the rest of the crypto market. But, changes in mining economics were badly timed with wild changes in the general economy. And, it has been a rough recovery ever since.

Sassy_Allen

I get the point you are making but it mostly applies to chains where smart contracts are valuable only through token activity. ICP is different because canisters are full applications that can scale, upgrade, and serve the web directly. Yes, ICP has to be converted into cycles to power them, but the end user does not need to hold the token to use the app. That means one popular app or site running fully on-chain could prove the model, showing real utility where the token fuels the system in the background rather than being the product itself.

Sassy_Allen

get that you see some of it as filler but that is just your opinion. The extra context is what makes the post complete and people seemed receptive to my last one. If someone wants a short version I can always do that but not everything about ICP can be explained in a couple of lines. And if you think it is filler you can always scroll past. Calling it propaganda does not really fit because I am pointing out actual features of the tech. The word evolution makes sense here since smart contracts started as simple scripts and on ICP they have grown into canisters that scale, upgrade, persist, and even serve the web directly.

Sassy_Allen

I mean a canister is literally the next step for smart contracts that allows you to do more things on the blockchain. You clearly don’t understand the impact of this and what ICP is capable of doing over pretty much every other blockchain? It call it an evolution is not a stretch at all.

Sassy_Allen

Fair, but some topics can’t really be explained in a 150 word length post. If people only ever read surface level takes, they’ll never understand why ICP’s model is different. Short versions are fine, but sometimes you need more depth.

C-Dull

Who the hell is talking about ICP?

Hitchie_Rawtin

Ah, the Lesser Spotted ETHmaxi who diminishes Dfinity as a fake marketing chain despite Vitalik complimenting them. I fucking wish ICP was a fake marketing chain at this stage, they don't market shit, they just keep building and hoping somebody arrives, pretty fucking annoying tbh.

JetHeavy

Oisy wallet based on ICP is a non local decentralized wallet. No add-ons no software. Check it out.

ZeroFuxYT

ICP is something else man 👀 Watch this video: https://x.com/ZeroFuxBJ/status/1952379592943309259?t=xj6YfxaGQQp01vF0RGPKOg&s=19

ToohotmaGandhi

Better than using AWS or Google Cloud that can steal your data, get breached. Plus other chains can just use ICP as the infrastructure to get off AWS and whatnot and then use chain-key tech to interact with thier chain. The future of the internet in on-chain and a multi chain solution

ma0za

Holy shit for a second i really thought this was going to be a post critical of fake Marketing chains... AND THEN HE SAID ICP LMAOOO

Sassy_Allen

It’s still a verifiable public chain, just architected differently to scale beyond the toy model most chains are stuck with. The replicas run full consensus, certify state, and provide cryptographic proofs that anyone can check, which is a bit more than a ‘private database’. Calling it permissioned ignores that node providers are vetted, public, and growing in number under open governance. If you think ICP ‘misses fundamentals,’ maybe the fundamentals you’re clinging to are the reason most blockchains can’t do more than overpriced ledgers.

Sassy_Allen

ICP not on chain is just a misunderstanding. Ethereum keeps every block forever which is why its storage is insanely expensive while ICP uses consensus to replicate and certify state across independent nodes. The entire application stack still runs natively on chain including code storage and front end it just does not waste cycles replaying history forever on every subnet. That is not off chain that is simply a more efficient design.

paroxsitic

ICP doesn't technically host things on chain, you can read more from a dfinity member here: https://np.reddit.com/r/dfinity/s/0eSMGESZzN

paroxsitic

ICP doesn't technically host things on chain, you can read more from a dfinity member here: https://www.reddit.com/r/dfinity/s/0eSMGESZzN

SicklyPotatoes

UPDATE ((XRP, LINK, HBAR, XLM, ETH, QNT, BTC,ADA, JASMY, ICP)) If anyone cares these are what I went with. Went over my budget a little bit but got healthy amounts of each and was also already holding some things suggested. Not expecting to become a millionaire but decent returns would be nice. Followed advice kinda and waited around and caught most of these during today’s dip which was nice. Interestingly enough, everything on this list followed the exact same dip and recovery pattern today besides ADA, which also has the strongest recovery up 4% from before yesterday’s dip.

SlyckCypherX

Did you also get some ICP at $700?

Sassy_Allen

The use of Cloudflare there is purely because the ICP dashboard is a separate informational website and not part of the blockchain itself. The dashboard is basically a convenience tool. It queries the network, formats the data, and presents it in a browser. Since it is just a public facing site, the easiest and cheapest way to protect it from DDoS and spam traffic is to use a service like Cloudflare. That has nothing to do with ICP’s core infrastructure or its ability to handle attacks on the blockchain itself. As for ICP itself, the protocol and boundary node architecture are designed to resist network level flooding and spam, but the dashboard is not mission critical to the network. If the dashboard went offline, the ICP blockchain would keep running exactly the same. Developers and anyone else can still access the network directly through nodes or APIs without touching the dashboard.

meme_2

why is the site you are linking to using Cloudflare if ICP's infrastructure is so amazing? They obviously rely on Cloudflare for some critical things, likely DDoS protection and other security features that they can't handle themselves. Pretty comical if you ask me.

SwingNMisses

I mean they did timely list ICP so it could dump hard on retail. I too hate Coinbase.

HSuke

I made the mistake of focusing too much on your 1st point (where the infrastructure is hosted) and glossed over your later points (e.g. full application stack is not on-chain for most other blockchains). Personally, I don't really care about your 1st point that much, but your later points are quite good and a concern for other blockchains. For other blockchains, most of the dApp is hosted off-chain, and only the state change for smart contract is hosted on-chain (e.g. changes in account balances). Client-side wallet UX hasn't gotten advanced enough to decipher a complex batch transaction for non-technical users. That is a concern for trustlessness. Much of the reason consumers trust dApps is almost entirely reputation-based. For example, we trust OpenSea or Uniswap because they have gained sufficient reputation and known teams, and because there are enough users to raise alarms if something goes wrong. But if a dApp developer ever decides to go rogue and be malicious for a one-time whale attack, this would be really hard to prevent on other blockchains if the whale consumer is on auto-pilot signing transactions generated from the dApp without carefully examining them. I think ICP is the best solution for when the application full stack needs to be run entirely on-chain. On the other hand, would this make things more secure for non-devs? They don't have control over the application code. Non-dev end users are still trusting that the dev using ICP is running the correct code and making safe updates.

bigsequence

ICP

Sassy_Allen

I have been in crypto since 2013, so I am well aware that price does not always track fundamentals in the short term. The fact that hype can pump weak projects and strong tech can stay undervalued is not news to me. That does not change the reality that ICP can do things no other major blockchain can in practice, and that is worth talking about whether or not it is mooning today. Calling it a sales pitch does not address a single fact I have laid out. If you think otherwise, point to what is wrong instead of dismissing it outright.

Sassy_Allen

The point is not just uptime, it is removing the need to trust any single operator or company to host or maintain the service. Five nines on AWS or Google Cloud still means trusting those companies not to change terms, censor, or pull access entirely. ICP allows services to run directly on the blockchain so they remain available and verifiable regardless of who controls any single data center. That matters for AI models, public records, governance tools, and any application where integrity and persistence are as important as uptime. Edit: Also, keep an eye on Caffeine. It is rolling out in phases through 2025 and will let anyone build and deploy fully on chain AI powered apps directly on ICP without relying on external backends. Dominic Williams has said Phase I starts August 19th with public access to the master chat, Phase II lands September 16th with free draft app creation, and Phase III targets October 7th to unlock pay for usage and full live app deployment. Once complete, it will give developers and nontechnical users the ability to launch, update, and scale AI applications, websites, and other services that are permanently online, tamperproof, and secured by the same decentralization as the rest of ICP. An upcoming blob storage upgrade will also drastically reduce storage costs, making large scale on chain hosting far more affordable and practical.

Sassy_Allen

The point is not just uptime, it is removing the need to trust any single operator or company to host or maintain the service. Five nines on AWS or Google Cloud still means trusting those companies not to change terms, censor, or pull access entirely. ICP allows services to run directly on the blockchain so they remain available and verifiable regardless of who controls any single data center. That matters for AI models, public records, governance tools, and any application where integrity and persistence are as important as uptime.

Sassy_Allen

Nothing in what I wrote is a lie, and it is all verifiable through ICP’s public dashboard and documentation. If you think otherwise, point out exactly which part is wrong and back it up. Until then, dismissing it without evidence only shows you have not looked into how ICP’s node provider system and governance actually work.

Sassy_Allen

ICP node providers are independent and run their infrastructure in data centers they control, not in a public cloud like AWS or GCP. The network is designed to compete with the full cloud stack by running compute, storage, and applications directly on chain, so it is more than just containers or SaaS replacements. IaaS is covered too, since the blockchain itself provides the infrastructure layer.

Sassy_Allen

Price movement does not change what the technology can do. ICP’s drop after launch had less to do with the tech and more to do with the fact that FTX and Binance launched perpetual futures before it was even officially live, creating a way to short it heavily from day one. That crash served the interests of those already invested in competing chains because ICP’s capabilities are a direct threat to their positions. If anything, being down now means the upside is bigger once people catch on.

Sassy_Allen

Splitting responsibilities across on and off chain still leaves a central point of failure, which undermines decentralization no matter how well you execute the on chain part. ICP’s approach is not trying too much, it is solving the very problem that hybrid models cannot by keeping the entire application stack decentralized, verifiable, and always available. You can already build and deploy full applications on ICP today, so it is not just a hypothetical moon shot but a working platform that will only improve as it reaches its full potential. Bitcoin and Ethereum were each aiming for the moon in their time, and ICP is simply the next step in that same trajectory. Doing one thing well is fine, but it will never replace the need for a platform that can do everything on chain when the use case demands it.

002_timmy

I know you're trying to shill ICP, I'm just saying, to respond to your title, that nobody in the industry believes the chains are fully onchain. This is something the very willfully ignorant believe

Sassy_Allen

You are right that most blockchains either centralize to scale or push most of the work off chain, which kills the decentralization they claim to have. The difference is ICP was designed from the ground up to handle complex, compute-intensive applications on chain without offloading the core logic or state to a central authority. Its subnet architecture and orthogonal persistence let it scale while keeping the entire stack on chain and under decentralized governance. DFINITY is also actively working on roadmap milestones like Flux, Magnetosphere, and Solenoid to make ICP faster and more efficient while expanding decentralization at the same time. That is why it can run things like AI models or full web apps entirely on chain in practice, which no other major blockchain is doing.

Sassy_Allen

ZK proofs can verify integrity, but they do not replace having the full application stack on chain. Offloading to client side proving still relies on off chain availability, uptime, and control, which means you are trusting that layer not to disappear or censor. ICP’s model keeps state, logic, and storage on chain while still allowing for optimizations, so you get verifiability without introducing a permanent dependency on external infrastructure. Knowing the industry means understanding that speed without availability and persistence is only part of the picture.

Sassy_Allen

Arweave with AO is still focused on permanent storage and off chain execution, while ICP runs storage, compute, and full applications entirely on chain. They solve different problems, but if you want a self contained decentralized stack without relying on external infrastructure, ICP covers more ground.

Sassy_Allen

ICP node providers are public, vetted, and spread across multiple jurisdictions, with the Network Nervous System controlling membership and upgrades through open governance. Unlike Hedera’s fixed council, node provider slots are not permanently tied to specific corporations, and the long term roadmap increases decentralization by adding more providers over time. Comparing this to Ethereum’s client diversity is apples to oranges because ICP is not just a transaction ledger, it is an execution environment where nodes run full application logic and storage on chain. As for AWS, GCP, or Azure, using them as part of the network does not remove decentralization, but making them a permanent backbone is still a central point of failure that ICP’s design can eventually phase out.

Sassy_Allen

Offloading state and execution off chain always introduces a trust assumption in whoever is holding or processing that data. Merkle proofs and ZK can verify integrity, but they cannot prevent downtime, censorship, or unilateral changes if the off chain component disappears or is controlled by a single party. ICP’s approach removes that dependency entirely by keeping state and execution on chain while still optimizing for efficiency. The idea that full on chain execution is “inefficient” ignores that efficiency without trustlessness just recreates a cloud service with extra steps.

Sassy_Allen

Running the entire application stack on chain includes the frontend such as the website, the backend logic, and the data storage. On ICP, canister smart contracts can store and serve HTML, CSS, JavaScript, and other assets directly from the blockchain without using centralized hosting. The same canisters handle the backend logic and persistent state, all secured by consensus. Even wallets and user interfaces can be hosted entirely on chain, removing reliance on third party servers.

meme_2

ICP should change its name to STD because nobody wants it.

nomorebonks

ICP is not relying on AWS type services at all. It's a competitor to them.

AbbreviationsIll213

ICP

inShambles3749

Exactly my point why I prefer *decentralization* and split responsibilities across on- and off chain over centralized all on chain. It's a conundrum. ICP has a great vision. But it's like aiming for utopia while shooting your self in the knee through the head and around the back.

Throwaway4VPN

Arweave + AO > ICP

Whiskey-Mick

Straight up lying lmao, and your second point just shows you have no idea what ICP is doing.

HSuke

1. Personally, I don't know enough about the identities of ICP nodes. How do we know they're run by separate entities with independent goals? For Ethereum, Lido isn't a single entity. It has its own set of validators. And every major validator pool runs multiple execution layer clients and multiple consensus layer client. For example, Coinbase validates every block with 4 different clients. Lido runs 10 different clients. Ethereum's effective Nakamoto Coefficient is probably closer to 12 due to client diversity. 2. OP was the one who brought it up. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Personally, I think AWS, GCP, and Azure as a backbone are fine because it's a trusted 3rd party with a ton of reputation.

Smart-Drama-5067

Original poster- what's your risk appetite? Find an AI project and go from there. Safety bets : Near, ICP, Bittensor Riskier: lower marketcaps below 1billion ?

inShambles3749

ICP is centralized and only limited to uhnw and companies. The fact that only "approved" data centers is also quite shady imo. This smells like a VC in the back that has his filthy fingers in data enters across the globe. So yeah it might be "fully on chain" but at what cost? Also that's certainly not the way to build trust and further decentralization if you exclude essentially 99%+ of the world's population

Hitchie_Rawtin

>ICP runs containers with only ~5 validators each, many of which run on AWS, GCP, or Azure. 1. No it doesn't, I think what you mean is that the Nakamoto Coefficient per standard subnet is 5, the NC to take the whole network down is in the hundreds, SOL's is 21, BNB's is 7. ETH is 2 - despite massive decentralisation in terms of validator count, many are pooled and Lido and Coinbase colluding is all it takes. 2. They certainly don't, but the irony of lying that the IC uses AWS while the entirety of every other smart contract platform relies on AWS and others is pretty funny.

jkazz14

ICP

PreInfinityTV

Nobody cared about Ethereum when it came out with extra functionality over Bitcoin. ICP has extra functionality over Ethereum.

Sassy_Allen

I get that, but price action alone does not tell the whole story. The architecture is why I hold, because if it reaches that level it will be because the tech proved itself. ICP is a revolutionary step in blockchain utility because it can run the entire application stack fully on chain, opening the door to services that never need centralized servers. Anthropic is now working with DFINITY to bring AI fully on chain, which will allow models to run in a tamperproof and verifiable way for the first time. Add to that DFINITY’s use of orthogonal persistence, where smart contracts remember their state forever without external databases, and you have something no other blockchain is even close to doing. When that day comes, I will not need to convince anyone.

Sassy_Allen

Fully on chain means the entire application stack is verifiable, tamperproof, and does not rely on centralized servers. It gives true end to end decentralization but requires more advanced infrastructure and can be harder to develop for. Hybrid or off chain models are cheaper and faster to build but break decentralization guarantees and introduce new security risks. Most blockchains today use the hybrid approach, which is why they still depend on AWS or similar services. ICP is in a league of its own because it can run the full stack entirely on chain in practice.

one-bad-dude

TlDR; Why don't people think ICP is gonna moon?

Remm_Unknown

When will people understand that ICP is in a league of its own? Why don't people care about this stuff? Also what are the pros and cons of fully on chain vs not ?