BAT

dj_destroyer

I actually agree with your criticism... today. Right now the answer often is go one layer deeper and that's obviously not a recipe for mass adoption. But I don't think that's unique to Bitcoin. It was true for the early Internet too. When your modem didn't work, the answer wasn't "don't worry it'll just work." It was edit AUTOEXEC.BAT, check your IRQ, reinstall the driver, configure TCP/IP, change your DNS server. For years the solution really was to understand more of the stack and just go deeper. It didn't come easy then either. The difference is that nobody remembers that era because better versions eventually erased the memories of it. I don't think the end state of Bitcoin is people rolling dice and verifying firmware. I think that is evidence we're still in the infrastructure phase. If Bitcoin succeeds, those complexities should disappear behind better wallet/hardware design in the same way browsers buried TCP/IP and Gmail buried SMTP. If they don't, then I'd agree Bitcoin probably won't achieve broad self custody adoption.

Lonely_Pressure2088

How would you explain BAT roadmap 4.0 published recently. Have you joined a waitlist yet? https://brave.com/card-waitlist/

Lonely_Pressure2088

Well, have you read BAT roadmap 4.0? Published recently. Also, join the waitlist: https://brave.com/card-waitlist/

Past_Mountain946

I think it's worth separating the browser from the token. Brave can be a genuinely good product while BAT can still be a mediocre investment. Those aren't mutually exclusive. Before looking at the price chart, I'd ask: has the demand for the token itself improved, or is it mostly the same utility it had years ago? If the fundamental reason to hold BAT hasn't strengthened, an all-time low by itself doesn't make it attractive. I'd rather start with the thesis and let the price come second, not the other way around.

Timely-Fig2030

It's not given out for free though. Clients have to pay for advertising and a percentage of that income goes back to the users watching the ads in BAT. BAT has a max supply of 1.5 billion. Hence, the more clients that advertise the more the price would go up, caused by the max supply.

FidgetyRat

It failed due to regulation and pushback. Apple disallowing rewards is In iOS was a huge hit and others followed. Shitcoins would have worked because it was the companies and advertisers that had to buy the BAT to post advertisements. But after all the ads got pulled and turned to shit there was no consumer use so why shell out cash for a browser ad nobody is using.

songbolt

Yeah I lost like 12 BAT because of Uphold. Criminals...

oneawesomewave

Braves BAT Integration was so heavy anti-privacy that it had to fail independently of crypto failing in general.

Asleep_Onion

I remember it because I wrote a post here years ago complaining about how every single altcoin fails and none will make you money if you hodl them for years and someone here got in a big argument with me saying BAT was the exception and everyone who buys it and hodls will be filthy rich in a few years

EverySingleMinute

I really believed in BAT and thought they had a great use case. Hate to see it bomb

TimmyXBT

There are much better reasons to use Brave than to simply get BAT. The economics for the token were unfortunately way to supply & emissions heavy

bricarp

I've always thought BAT supporters were a toxic community. I asked some legitimate questions about the project and all they did is just insult me with racist comments.

songbolt

I've started collecting it, but at present it seems like a token for their branded clothing gift shop, that society hasn't adopted it yet. I need to review the model: Isn't it to spend for ad placement? So we can sell BAT to advertisers for fiat currency, so they can advertise to Brave users?

steadyhandhide

The same thing happened to me. I accumulated BAT through ads early on in the browser’s history and kept my seed phrase safe. After a hiatus from the browser, I found out that my coins were never actually tied to that wallet and were gone forever after an update. I was done with them at that point.

BizarroTheory

I actually farmed BAT for a few years in Brave, I ended up swapping all of it for BTC around 2022 when I was forced to because EU wouldn't support Uphold for much longer. In hindsight it was a pretty good swap, it was around 100 dollars in BAT, it might actually be around 150-200 dollars worth of BTC now. But yeah, the coin is deaf af in 2026.

Taxi-Shinawat

BAT was awesome. One of the few crypto projects with a real use case. Very unfortunate that it didn't make it. Says a lot about crypto imo.

mrjune2040

BAT’s only utility is to be a reward token, it’s like Starbucks points ffs. And why would you want to own Starbuck points? Just because something has one utility, doesn’t make it something worthwhile of investment.

dz4505

Rest assured a shitcoin like BAT isn’t Bitcoin.

Timely-Fig2030

The largest percentage drop in Bitcoin's history occurred in June 2011 when the price collapsed by approximately 99%. No worries, i don't compare the ERC-20 BAT shitter with a blockchain network, i just wanted to point out, at least BAT has usecase and is integrated in a cool browser, but i understand it's a shitter. 😎

Timely-Fig2030

I am not married to BAT. I don't even have any and it should have become clear through my post. 😘

Romanizer

What utility does BAT have that the Top 5 Cryptocurrency couldn't possibly replace?

Timely-Fig2030

BAT has a max supply of 1.5 billion, which is not that much and it is one of the few cases, who's token is defo not useless, cause it's rewards from clients paying for the ads.

Timely-Fig2030

Haha, how would you launder with BAT... 🤣

letsdrinktothat

Maybe not as dead as MOONs, but you said yourself the price is at an all time low. Since BAT buying pressure comes basically all from advertisers, that means either not enough companies are advertising through Brave, or Brave isn't able to charge them enough for the ads. What's going to reverse that? BAT should be doing better than most cryptos in the bear market, since it's buying pressure comes primarily from advertisers rather than from speculative investors, so the fact it's at an ATL now is not really a good sign.

Timely-Fig2030

You talk like it is already dead... It's not dead, cause it is integrated in one of the coolest browsers and follows a reasonable purpose that is alive, like it used to be. People, who activate ads in the browser, receive BAT and many companies advertise on brave. So, it's definitely not dead.

b4basit

never marry an altcoin. BAT had its good days.

FTXACCOUNTANT

Forgot that existed. Lost a decent chunk of those thanks to EU regulations and Uphold freezing my account with all my BAT after using Brave for so long

letsdrinktothat

Like MOONs, unfortunately having a use-case does not guarantee survival. BAT was a good idea, but probably not with enough of a complete economy around it to make it really take off.

m1ke_tyz0n

they all dead catted... BAT has been finished. Is the Brave browser even a thing anymore?

Timely-Fig2030

Never a need for memecoins. They should get zero attention, cause it's just mega centralized grift. I see purpose in coins like BAT. I guess there is a chance it could recover, cause we all like brave and the attention it gave us.

Timely-Fig2030

What? BAT had quite good gains from 2020 - 2022, but gave it all away again. You should have said dead since 2022.

mrjune2040

Failed project. Brave is a great browser but there is zero need for a token for it to function. Why the fuck would anyone buy BAT where the only utility is as a micro-rewards program that very few people actually partake in? There is no bull case for token growth, and its MC is overpriced at 120m. And if you’re bullish on Brave try to get actual equity exposure to its software company as part of a seed round- not a shitty rewards token.

knifeyyyyy

same here. using as my main browser for the last few years. dont even care about $BAT anymore. planning to tryout [https://aside.com/](https://aside.com/) in the coming weeks.

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C-Dull

I love how Robinhood is adding new coins every other week now, but every single time it ends up being dead coins nobody cares about anymore. They just added BAT and two other coins going asymptotically to 0.

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Pleasant_Director410

Hola, acabo de crear mi Phantom para cobrar mis recompensas de Brave, pero necesito 0.002 SOL para activar la cuenta de BAT. ¿Alguien podría enviarme esa fracción? "EY5snSs1Zknn1j2WRQyMrForLUHRAWi6Yus1i2zD6Esm"

LuckyWinds

Brave made the fatal mistake by not using bitcoin but their own centralized garbage token BAT.

Worth-Weight-9184

I was very excited by and invested in BAT >5 years ago specifically because it had so much promise with a real-use case and disrupting the dominant ad-serving paradigm and so on. Brave is still around and is a phenomenal browser but BAT itself feels like an afterthought to them now. Just one example. Holding to very end, whatever it may be.

CryptoAd007

Brave killed BAT with KYC.

shafty17

Shilling for BAT in 2026 is just sad

nakedspirax

They are just hype hopping. Their BAT token was for the crypto hype and the agent is the AI hype

p4t0k

You are telling that like BAT is something that is stopping Brave from being a good browser. I think a lot of people don't understand what it is all about. Brave with it's advertising system has potential to compete with google ads and similar to make internet advertising less invasive and yet more interresting for its audience (becase rthey are being rewarded for it). Also there is a need for crypto micro payments - visa & master card sucks (especially if you are not US citizen). Brave's wallet is cool as it is integrated with the browser and BAT is an opportunity for Brave to have it's own token. I don't know what is Brave team waiting for - they already have a lot of services but none of them currently AFAIK can be paid by BAT. This could change a lot.

PlutoPlaneta

Have you tried cashing out BAT ?;) lol

Lesfruit

real I also got my BAT ads stolen for me because I didn't have enough gas (they reset every month) I need like 1 cent or something)just to sign a smart contract or something, if someone wants to help, it'd be appreciated 6ZeiG6M3gbzA4TCNk6cJYhPmc4icV1FM3zQLV3MpYC23

biba8163

I like a lot of people who have been posting here for years got a lot of free money from moons. I can't even imagine the type of bank the mods made. There has been a lot of risk free, free money in crypto for those with common sense. Of course, there is no free lunch. Someone always has to pay for this. And its always the people buying the free worthless tokens being handed out. > I think I got 40K moons in the first distribution. Then almost 10K the next few rounds Watched it for a bit and I think got somewhere around ~0.20 BTC off them. Back end of 2021, I watched Moons skyrocket for a bit. > But it was still free ~0.20 BTC. I always choose free BTC. There are always massive dumps, saturation points, liquidity issues, thin volume, etc with these tokens. > Call me a maxi or whatever but collected UNI, ARB, etc airdrops and got decent amounts of free BTC. Collected MYST tokens during 2017 ICO hype where they were testing decentralized VPN and got BTC for those running nodes. Used to get BAT rewards when they gave out a decent amount to see what the hype was about. Exchanged for BTC. Other random things like buying and holding EOS for a bit when it was doing air drops for some stake sharing token. > Probably close to ~0.5 free BTC since 2017 and the BTC ratio/sats value of everything has gone waaaay down. https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hw627m/daily_crypto_discussion_january_8_2025_gmt0/m5zcx99/

LargeSnorlax

I don't think people whose portfolios are 47% peercoin, 32% IOTA, 13% BAT and 8% XVG really care about Bitcoin trading ranges all that much

Hitching-galaxy

BAT! Nostalgic 🫡

FlickrReddit

BAT and Nu. Both fading.

roadydick

Came for this - and, if you had BTC, ETH, SOL, XRP, BNB, AVAX, BAT, or ADA in your already your private wallet you already should have some

your_ancestordaddy

Ive narrowed them to 9 coins. Someone tell me if i should remove or add something. Unfortunately im stuck with ondo and Cro so dont mention them 🙈 Oasis Grass Dot BAT GrT Render Ondo Cro Hbar

HoldCtrlW

I bought BAT at $1 in 2021. Only 500% more to break-even 🤞

MikeysOnTheMoon

Fucking internet computer and BAT… bro imagine telling yourself a year ago these are gunna be the only 2 coins pumping while bitcoin struggles with 100k and eth with 3k. Pathetic. Oh ya and Zcash the coin that’s been dead for 7 years. Bullshit

Joe_Johnsz

What going on with BAT??

Outsider4Life9

Whats going on with BAT?

yell0w8

Anyone know what's up with BAT?

ElectroHash

Why BAT is pumping?

pop-1988

For Reddit, there is a Bitcoin Lightning tip bot, still seems to be active in the bitcoin subreddit BAT could have been useful for microtipping, but it has an onerous centralized withdrawal process, and centralized registration required to accept tips on a Web page

mines-a-pint

BAT ('Brave Attention Token') still exists: you earn BAT by viewing Ads, can set up a regular contribution or give a one-off tip to registered 'creators' via their web and social media. Supposedly there are 1.6 million 'creators' signed up, but it doesn't seem to be very high-profile. [https://brave.com/brave-rewards/](https://brave.com/brave-rewards/)

biba8163

> Scams almost everything is a scam and a shitcoin in this space but at the same time everyone believes they themselves are holding a "portfolio" of infinity stones > What most people don't *know* is *they are holding a shitcoin.* > So many people got defensive saying their favorite project was not a shitcoin in the past... > - IOTA is not a shitcoin. Look at the partnership with Bosch, Volkswagon, they are advisors to the EU digital currency initiative, etc. > - EOS is not a shitcoin. It scales. Billions has been invested in it. A decentralized Uber and Social Media platform is being built on it. > - Enigma is not s shitcoin. These are the brightest minds coming out of MIT > - BAT is not a shitcoin. Brendan Eich is a genius and the creator of Javascript? Why would a genius be involved in a money grab shitcoin? > ...and in a few years are going to come to a realization that projects like Algorand, Turning winner or not, are just another moneygrab shitcoin like the rest. https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1by215y/comment/kygwf5f/

biba8163

> evaluate cryptocurrency simply on the merits of the developers behind these projects, then yes, you can focus on the fundamentals Evaluating cryptocurrency based on the merits of the developers is another great way to lose your money. - **OMG down -99.3%** was led by Joseph Poon creator of the Lightening Network and was endorsed by Vitalik who was an advisor to the project - **BAT down -90%** was led by big brained Brendan Eich creator of Javascript and founder of the Mozilla foundation - **ALGO down -93%** was led/created by Silvio Micali winner of the prestigious Turing Award and professor by MIT - **DOT down -94%** was led/created by Gavin Wood who wrote the specification for the Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM) and created the Solidity programming language. - **AVAX down -82%** was led/created by Emin Gün Sirer professor of computer science by Cornell University who authored academic papers on peer-to-peer systems and cryptography predating the creation of Bitcoin.

DBRiMatt

Depends on your demographics, some users might only get a couple of BAT per month, some get more. But, it's like finding $20 in your pants pocket... always a nice bonus xD I've earned about 500 BAT since switching to brave in 2021

DBRiMatt

Holy BAT pump. Fortune favours the brave browser! xD

lumpyshoulder762

I don't fully understand it either, and that's the problem - how do you hope to succeed and attract users if you can't even sell your idea clearly to people? The majority of people just want to view and create content freely and easily, and they don't care if they are the "product" being sold to advertisers. It's a noble idea, but doomed to fail. I mean look at BAT, which was supposed to revolutionize browsing and attention on the web. It's at an all time low. It's a failed project.

Chambana_Raptor

BAT

DBRiMatt

Im at over 500 BAT since 2021. Fortune favours the brave browser.

CriticalCobraz

Even without the BAT Token rewards, it is still one of the best browsers. I'm using it and have no regrets

DBRiMatt

BAT possibly qualifies, has a decent use-case, just doesn't seem to have much ongoing developments or activity to grow.

biba8163

RNDR is another money grab token from Brendan Eich, who also created the BAT token/project. BAT is down -95% since 2018. Here is my warning to gullible people about this shitcoin in 2019 calling it a money grab gimmick token and project and it'll never be adopted. People were calling me a mouth breather who is betting against one of the biggest brains on the planet who created Javascript and founded Mozilla. They happily cheer-led BAT and Brendan Eich to -95% losses. In it for the technology as usual. https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/cflfh9/why_does_brave_need_its_own_currency_why_cant_it/euba6hr/ If you know Brendan Eich slowly rugpulled gullible people with a token that is down -95% and you still decide to buy his 2nd project RNDR, it's not an investment, it's a donation. BTW, Decentralized Compute, Storage, Cloud, AI are all scams. These kind of bullshit hype projects have been around since 2017 with SIA, Golem, etc. Remember Golem was a huge project at one time, they had over $1 Billion in ETH and still couldn't produce any type of viable product with all that money. These are vaporware and/or not feasible/efficient to compete with public cloud solutions providers who invest billions per year into infrastructure and R&D. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

p4t0k

He's right... Like meme coins - only a hype, nothing else behind it. Meanwhile tokens like BAT, AUDIO, MYST, and many others, that has some utility and fundamentals are bleeding due to the lack of interest. Crypto needs us to start thinking differently.

Scuba003

I know right, the browser is really good, I use it regularly. The fact you don't have ads, unless you opt in, which would give you BAT in return. It seems like a no brainer, seeing as people want to try to keep their information private, which Brave browser does, but for some reason it just doesn't move

Scuba003

BAT, it had well known people at the top and had an actual use case tied into an Internet browser. Seemed like it could do big things and it's just stuck

ThatOtherGuy254

What's your most disappointing coin that you hold? Not necessarily your worst performing one. For me, it's BAT. It's one of the few coins that I thought had a good model.

biba8163

99.9% of the time when people start saying a project is dead, they are right and the project is dead or dying. Survivorship bias of a coin like SOL pulling out from $10 too $200 makes will fool bagholders with hopium into losing more money thinking they are geniuses for going against sentiment. > *"Why I'm shorting Luna"* > I guess its time to buy LUNA! > Do the opposite of what the sub's users say! https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/tlxerl/why_im_shorting_luna/i1wbj60/ > Decentraland is a dead https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/qxogsc/decentraland_is_a_dead_metaverse_and_youre_gonna/ > Is Cosmo Atom a dead project? https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1cc1y3a/is_cosmo_atom_a_dead_project/ > Is Brave/BAT officially dead? https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/18z5jb9/is_bravebat_officially_dead/ > [Serious] OmiseGo: Is this coin dead? https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/11nbl5p/serious_omisego_is_this_coin_dead/ > I thought REQ was dead? https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/qlohgo/i_thought_req_was_dead/ > Loopring (LRC) - Is it "Dead"? https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/tiyxg5/loopring_lrc_is_it_dead/ > DOT, feels like it’s been abandoned https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1grko67/dot_feels_like_its_been_abandoned/ > Don't confuse short term price action with long-term fundamentals. NANO works, ever better, and that's starting to be recognised https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/qc21qm/honest_question_is_nano_dead_what_can_be_done_to/hhd7eug/ > You should check out what ICX has done, is doing and will do during these years....Agreed. Not even remotely dead. https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/qgnsj0/which_cointoken_is_completely_deadnearly_dead/hih8v5b/

553l8008

Have had custody of... Cardano (ADA) Bitcoin (BTC) Ethereum (ETH) Solana (SOL) BNB Chain (BNB) Avalanche (AVAX) XRP Ledger (XRP) Brave (BAT) From a snap shot back in June r/midnight it is related to cardano

r33gna

I changed browser some years back when they demand linking to an exchange and my country wasn't listed, they also start issuing vBat or something instead of actual BAT. Does this new feature means they solve that problem?

LittleSugar05

This is a pretty big deal for BAT users and definitely a smart move for Brave. Solana offers the speed and low fees that Ethereum's mainnet struggles with, making self-custody of smaller BAT payouts much more practical for the average user. Nobody wants to pay a gas fee that's higher than their actual payout! This moves BAT closer to being truly usable for micro-transactions and reinforces the 'not your keys, not your coins' ethos. Bullish for user experience and adoption, for sure.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Brave has expanded its self-custody BAT payouts on Solana to all Brave Rewards users. This feature, previously available to a limited group, allows users to receive BAT directly to their self-custody Solana wallet address. Starting with Brave version 1.81.x on desktop and Android, users can connect their Solana wallet to Brave Rewards and receive on-chain BAT payouts. This aligns with Brave's BAT Roadmap 3.0, emphasizing decentralization and user control. Some regional restrictions and platform limitations apply. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

aguitarwar

It depends on the coin you're holding. ADA holders get the biggest chunk at 50% of the entire airdrop. BTC holders get 20% and then ETH, XRP, SOL, BNB, AVAX, and BAT holders get 5% each. There are 24 billion NIGHT tokens being distributed in total from the airdrop

Sebanimation

According to their litepaper [$BTC](https://x.com/search?q=%24BTC&src=cashtag_click), [$ETH](https://x.com/search?q=%24ETH&src=cashtag_click), [$SOL](https://x.com/search?q=%24SOL&src=cashtag_click), [$ADA](https://x.com/search?q=%24ADA&src=cashtag_click), [$AVAX](https://x.com/search?q=%24AVAX&src=cashtag_click), [$XRP](https://x.com/search?q=%24XRP&src=cashtag_click), [$BNB](https://x.com/search?q=%24BNB&src=cashtag_click), [$BAT](https://x.com/search?q=%24BAT&src=cashtag_click)

AdGroundbreaking4090

Yeah, BAT definitely paved the way. I think they nailed the “attention is valuable” angle, but tying it to a browser (Brave) might’ve limited how far it could go. I’m trying to take that core idea and make it more flexible. Creator-first, and actually usable without needing to change your whole browsing setup. Still early days, but if you're curious where it's heading: [metasurfai.net](http://metasurfai.net)

Low-Client-375

I believe this was the concept for the BAT token

EnlightenmentShark81

I just looked up a few cryptocurrencies on cmc and some are showing the 1 minute on TA now but it is odd that like BAT (with 90 million active users now isn't populating like it isn't big anymore) & mana with millions invested by big companies and mana and sand roll together

EnlightenmentShark81

You should paint like 3-5 hypothetical scenarios that you think will play out if everything goes bullish, with numbers and math to follow it up like for example I see BAT & MANA undervalued bat was just at like .12 cents and mana at .30 ish is still a very low price I could see both of them doubling up in the coming months / whenever the next truly bullish market cycle begins (even if there are small cycles leading up to something in a year) with their prices where they are even if the current cycle is underwhelming you're in a pretty safe spot. Opinion-the projects aren't marketed intensely but they could be and that would gain a ton of interest in them both

Spartanelf

Starting to accumulate BAT and ICP. Waiting for bargain entries on SOL, ADA, XLM. Sold BTC and ETH

biba8163

If you see a scammer like Brendan Eich scam people with the BAT token which is down -90% and you decide to buy his 2nd scam project RNDR, it's not an investment, it's a donation.

SpontaneousDream

HA wow, $BAT. Now that is a throwback. I think the real lesson is that product market fit =/= token price appreciation. Best example of it is probably ETH. Has tons of usage on the chain, yet price performance has been bad because there's barely any value accrual to the token.

biba8163

A lesson for shitcoiners is how the value of the token has really nothing to do with any kind of usage or utility. - Polymarket has 300,000 users (probably crypto's most mainstream success) but that shitcoin will never recover to it's ATH - Reminds me of BAT bagholders cheerleading 1 Million Active Monthly Brave Browsers users in 2018 to 2 Million, to 3 Million....to 10+ Million users today but BAT is down -80% from 2018 price

pault133

I've thought about selling my BAT tokens a few times too, but I’ve held on, mainly because the concept behind Brave is still solid. It’s not just another browser; it’s a privacy-first ad platform that actually rewards users for their attention. That’s a unique model. From what I understand, Google can’t easily replicate this without totally disrupting its own ad-driven business model. Firefox has adopted a few similar features, but not the integrated token economy that Brave is building. I think as privacy, ad fatigue, and data ownership become bigger issues in the next decade, BAT could quietly gain real traction, maybe even get acquired or integrated into something bigger. Until then, it’s not costing me anything to hold, and it’s one of the few tokens tied to a working product with actual users. Could it stay flat? Sure. But could it pop later as the attention economy shifts? Possibly. So I’m holding. Let’s see how it plays out."

Educational-Ad-4352

But the point kind of is that you don't need to watch them even if you have turned the ads on. They are small popups and when you see the popup you already have the BAT..you don't need to click and actually watch the ad. You can watch it if it really interests you, but it doesn't affect the amount of BAT you get.

exmachinalibertas

It also doesn't make economic sense. If they're not paying me as much as I would require to watch ads as a job, then I am getting less value by watching the ad and getting BAT versus not watching the ad and recapturing 100% of the value of my time.

cmcalgary

Just got this e-mail. I only use Uphold for Brave BAT's but I guess that's over and done with? Lame

biba8163

> Exchanges are just after money. It's that simple Solid, legit long-term projects that the OP talks about are just solid, long term rugpulls and scams. It's that simple. 7 1/2 years ago, Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong tweeted that Decentralized Apps would replace the top user content and social media apps and centralized companies would be competing against DAOs. > I think most or many user generated content apps on the web today (stack overflow, YouTube, Facebook, Reddit, quora, github etc) will all get rebuilt on the decentralized web and every upvote/like/star/follower/etc will send real money to the creator of the content - January 2, 2018 https://gist.github.com/travisbrown/ef999d98e9f79c05221bebb36563e3ec 7 1/2 + years ago, Brain Armstrong was hyping up 2 projects as having legitimate use cases, utility and primed for adoption -- and these were the first 2 ERC-20 tokens listed on Coinbase: - BAT is -92% since 2018 (Brave Browser token) and the - ZRX is -98% since 2018 (Bullshit DEX token hype) Almost 8 years later, there is no indication of anything like this being built on crypto 6+ years later. Still VCs and Foundations generating hype and dumping worthless tokens on gullible crypto investors. All the 2017 projects that people fell for that were going to decentralize Compute, Storage, etc like SIA, Golem, are also down -97% with people investing in them having lost most of their mone;y. Scammers like big brained Brendan Eich, creator of Javascript and founder of the Mozilla foundation were telling investors in 2018 that his BAT scam was going to outpeform BTC https://x.com/BrendanEich/status/956237347649069057 - Breden Eich 2018 After BAT slowly rugpulled investors, Brendan Eich has moved on to his other project RNDR and people are still falling for his solid, legit long term project. In 2015, Emin Gün Sirer was pretty much calling all Alts scams saying they don't do anything innovative and was just project founders trying to enrich themselves to get more BTC. > I am most excited about the efforts to build new value-added services on top of the Bitcoin blockchain....Altcoins are useful as testing grounds for new ideas. Ideas that are deemed too risky or too unknown to integrate into Bitcoin can be tried in the smaller universe of an altcoin. Sadly, however, most of the altcoins in existence do not actually have sufficiently innovative ideas at their core. In many ways, they are reactions to the distribution of wealth in the Bitcoin blockchain - Emin Gün Sirer 2014 https://bitcoinist.com/exclusive-interview-with-professor-emin-gun-sirer/ In 2015, Emin Gün Sirer is probably a billionaire with his own project AVAX which got seed funding from by VCs and has been relentless dumping tokens on gullible investors and will continue to bleed out like the rest of the Alts. Emin joins another professor, Silvio Micali, who also launched his own project ALGO and kept 20% of the supply as a founders reward and the project uses money collected from dumping tokens is used to buy FIFA sponsorship, racing sponsorship, dead file sharing companies Napster, LimerWire, etc and a lot of bullshittery to lure new buyers

light_death-note

Too bad BAT and their wallet was so terribly implemented.

SevereArrivals13

And the Brave browser is great, the execution was lacking though as some countries had no ads or couldn't receive BAT or the wallet would frequently disconnect

OccasionalXerophile

BAT had a use case and vanished into oblivion

Renard2000

BAT

biba8163

> I have learned to be bullish when the overall sentiment is bearish in this sub and reddit as a whole. Are people really this dumb? Do people really believe that basing your investment thesis on inversing /r/cc and buying a failing investment is smart. You know what they say about fools and their money... > ######"Why I'm shorting Luna" > *"I guess its time to buy LUNA!"* > **Do the opposite of what the sub's users say!** https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/tlxerl/why_im_shorting_luna/i1wbj60/ > Decentraland is a dead https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/qxogsc/decentraland_is_a_dead_metaverse_and_youre_gonna/ > Is Cosmo Atom a dead project? https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1cc1y3a/is_cosmo_atom_a_dead_project/ > Is Brave/BAT officially dead? https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/18z5jb9/is_bravebat_officially_dead/ > [Serious] OmiseGo: Is this coin dead? https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/11nbl5p/serious_omisego_is_this_coin_dead/ > I thought REQ was dead? https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/qlohgo/i_thought_req_was_dead/ > Loopring (LRC) - Is it "Dead"? https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/tiyxg5/loopring_lrc_is_it_dead/ > DOT, feels like it’s been abandoned https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1grko67/dot_feels_like_its_been_abandoned/

biba8163

> *"Why I'm shorting Luna"* > I guess its time to buy LUNA! > Do the opposite of what the sub's users say! https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/tlxerl/why_im_shorting_luna/i1wbj60/ > Decentraland is a dead https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/qxogsc/decentraland_is_a_dead_metaverse_and_youre_gonna/ > Is Cosmo Atom a dead project? https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1cc1y3a/is_cosmo_atom_a_dead_project/ > Is Brave/BAT officially dead? https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/18z5jb9/is_bravebat_officially_dead/ > [Serious] OmiseGo: Is this coin dead? https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/11nbl5p/serious_omisego_is_this_coin_dead/ > I thought REQ was dead? https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/qlohgo/i_thought_req_was_dead/ > Loopring (LRC) - Is it "Dead"? https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/tiyxg5/loopring_lrc_is_it_dead/ > DOT, feels like it’s been abandoned https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1grko67/dot_feels_like_its_been_abandoned/

biba8163

> None of this matters when Bitcoin has 0 dapps Are the Ethereum dApps in the room with us? There is NOT one SINGLE dApp on Ethereum that every day people need or can use. 8 years ago, Ethereum hype was shilling about Decentralized Autonomous Organizations (DAO) replacing corporations, creating decentralized Uber, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, etc and Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong kept tweeting all these apps that people would use every day would be decentralized. 8 years later, there is nothing like this exists and there is no indication that this is being built or will be built. Just VCs and Foundations dumping worthless money grab tokens. The only thing that has been built is Shitcoin Casinos like AAVE where you can do leverage plays, trade shitcoin tokens, earn yield farming shitcoins tokens, provide liquidity on shitcoin tokens and call this Shitcoin Casino DeFi although there is not single gwei of Finance and all the players like AAVE, MakerDAO, LINK are completely centralized. > I think most or many user generated content apps on the web today (stack overflow, YouTube, Facebook, Reddit, quora, github etc) will all get rebuilt on the decentralized web and every upvote/like/star/follower/etc will send real money to the creator of the content (from January 2018 Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong after shilling BAT, ZRX, etc where investors have lost most their money) https://gist.github.com/travisbrown/ef999d98e9f79c05221bebb36563e3ec > "Decentralized Autonomous Organization" and theres a strong possibility that DAOs replace a lot of the world's biggest corporations...et's take a company like Uber. Uber is a platform that brings people who need rides together with people who have cars. To facilitate this interaction, Uber collects 20% of every ride. With Ethereum and blockchain technology, there is nothing to prevent a bunch of software developers from writing a dApp that creates a decentralized Uber. Instead of 20% per ride, transaction fees are paid to the network and the driver takes home the lions share of the transaction..theres a strong possibility that DAOs replace a lot of the world's biggest corporations. (from 2017) https://np.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/7jj1so/rethereum_i_wrote_this_to_explain_ethereum_in/ > Bitcoin...destroys the environment ETH Maxi shift in narrative from *"ETH will flip BTC"* to *"Don't invest in BTC it'll destroy the environment and its future security mechanism is doomed to fail"* COPE