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Nixisworld

I'm working on https://www.on-chain-income.com/ Where I aim to make crypto simple for beginners, giving them a free guide on how to earn crypto for free. I also build a whole system called Crypto OS ⚡ I'm building all this in Notion, which allows me to present a complex niche with simplicity. Let me know your feedback 💪

distressedacorn

I"d use a Linux OS for starters.

myhappytransition

[](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1c7yp2h/comment/l0bc120/) >It doesn't matter if you run Windows, no operating system can access the private key on a hardware wallet. That's pretty much the number 1 requirement a hardware wallet has to fulfill. they dont have to access the private key to rob you. When you trust a closed source OS, you will get robbed sooner or later. Its guaranteed.

Amber_Sam

>Would it be sensible to install the app on my work laptop just to do the update? Then uninstall it! If you want to be sure, install a new OS on a Virtual Machine, install the app, claim your voucher and delete the OS. If it's possible to get the app on Linux, create a life OS on your USB, and use that instead of the work computer OS. >So I bought a ledger hardware wallet **Four reasons why I would never use any ledger product.** **They leaked details of their clients** (email, phone #, full name, home address, what exactly they bought) and even now these people keep getting scary phone calls. **The wallet has closed code** - nobody (except the company, secret services, hackers) can see how many back doors the software has. **It's a multi coin wallet** - more coins, means more code, more attack surface. **The wallet isn't cold** - the company revealed a feature, allowing them to extract the keys into backup facilities online. They said, this is possible (with an update) for a very long time. This is the very opposite of cold storage (never touch the internet).

AvengerDr

I am not resentful of Americans. I have been to the USA many times and had lots of fun. I only don't like that use the same tired arguments that end up on those subs. "Oh reddit users has more than half of its users from America" (even though your own link says 42%), "oh this is an American website and you are on the American internet, using an American OS" and so and so on. Again, this is not /r/BitcoinUSA. As long as we are on /r/Bitcoin there is an expectation that users here are from all around the world. In order to make users feel welcome, people should adhere to international standards, not try to defend weird date formats.

carbarfar321

its extremely difficult to get more secure than dedicated tails OS + electrum offline even with top of the line hardware wallets like coldcards. Trezors can be hacked IF one gets their hands on it (unclear how you can be sure it wont ever be stolen). It depends on how much youre putting on it and what your vectors of attack are, might be fine but if tails setup is working for you i wouldn't downgrade to the old trezor.

bleakj

It would be running in its own docker / vm, The server itself doesn't have anything running with full access so to speak, there's definitely still some concerns with it running anywhere that it has internet access I suppose, but it wouldn't have direct access/be running in the same OS as other items

0x07AD

Bitcoin Knots appears to only be available for the Apple OS X and Microsoft Windows operating systems. I do not think Docker supports either of those operating systems as containerised environments. You would have to use virtual machines instead of containers. For virtual machines, the command-line version of VirtualBox provides the best option for automated deployments and management once you create the definition file(s); I used this approach years ago. Microsoft has a server-based product to automate systems deployment, but it is not free, at least not legally for production use.

Much-Lavishness-3121

https://www.ballet.com/?_gl=1*1ysdv6p*_ga*NzcxOTk5NDgwLjE3MTI3MjQ0NDE.*_ga_05RXQC4V3W*MTcxMzEzMTI1MC45LjEuMTcxMzEzMTQ2My41OS4wLjA.

murkforgian

Raspbian is now called Raspberry Pi OS. Download the OS image from the Pi Web site. For Pi5, choose 64-bit It's Debian 12, with minor Pi compatibility mods Download the ARM64 version of Core from bitcoincore.org Follow the instructions at bitcoin.org/full-node Those instructions are simple. Use *tar* to unpack the *tar.gz* archive. Use *install* to copy the executables from the *bin* directory into */usr/local/bin/* and set the execute bit (permissions 755)

ThornApart_

What if I already have everything set up to run a Raspberry Pi BUT the Raspberry Pi? Because that’s actually my case; I’ve already bought all the setup, but the Pi. Would you suggest me a Pi4 or a Pi5? My setup goes along with both of them; the only thing I haven’t analyzed is the OS part (Umbrel) on Pi5.

00_Jose_Maria_00

I used Bisq on Windows for years before switching to Linux. It's ok. But remember it is a hot wallet regardless of what OS you use.

Amber_Sam

**Arch Linux** The Bisq downloads page includes a link to the Arch User Repository (AUR) page for the bisq package. From the command line, clone the repository from AUR. Then from the cloned directory, run makepkg -si. This will read the PKGBUILD file to download, verify, build, and install the various tools necessary to install Bisq. If the version found on AUR is not up to date, you can read Fix_Arch_release. Please be advised: when you're using AUR, you're responsible for your own safety. Be sure to verify the PKGBUILD file. **Gentoo** Use eselect repository enable booboo to use the 'booboo' overlay which carries the binaries, and then emerge bisq **Tails** Please see Running Bisq on Tails for details on downloading, installing, and configuring Bisq on Tails. **Qubes** Please see Running Bisq on Qubes for a detailed Qubes setup guide. https://bisq.wiki/Downloading_and_installing#OS-specific_install_notes

cosmic_censor

>Where is said belief coming from? What could potentially give you such confidence it will eventually find its use? Well crypto does have utility, these systems do work and provide a service. It just doesn't have much adoption but that isn't the same thing as lacking utility. Where we are right now reminds me very much of using a Linux desktop twenty years ago. You couldn't really do much except use worse alternatives to windows apps. It required a lot of technical expertise to do things that were a few clicks in windows. People either made fun of you or were hostile towards you if you admitted to using it. And here we are 3 decades since its inception and Linux desktop has only a 4% market share. Thirty years to get 4% of the market... what a failure! Yet for my entire adult life I have used Linux as the OS on my home computer and it allowed me to avoid using big tech's proprietary software as much as possible. So I don't buy the no adoption = no utility. And crypto does have adoption, its just small right now but it is growing and that is what really matters.

stupidlamo

Yes, of course, I will try way with recovering old system and old hdd separately from current files and OS. Thank you!

HonorableJamesBond

Get tails OS and start searching for your answers.

Efficient_Culture569

I understand your point, my cold storage is cold... It's never connected. Don't need to connect to buy it. Hasn't been connected in years, probably since setup. No ledger has been hacked yet, so if it's possible to hack them, not sure why it hasn't been done yet. There's millions of devices, and Billions of BTC in them. Just because it's possible, doesn't mean it's easy to do. Like I said, anything can be stolen, either remotely or physically. I know you built your own cold storage solution and don't trust anything or anyone, probably use Graphene OS and Qubes OS, but your average folk doesn't need that level of security.

andy01q

I think OP meant the question how you interpreted it, but there's another related question: If the backdoored xz-version would have made it onto my OS (afaik there's also a backdoored build for Android and Windows, though not anywhere close to being standard on those platforms), then I probably would have lost my Bitcoin - at least the next time I sent or received any, no?

ardyes

KAS - Solves the blockchain trilema using blockDAG - High throughput. QUBIC - created by Come from Beyond (who has created the two tokens with the highest Return on investment tokens ever. IOTA and NXT [https://cointelegraph.com/news/top-10-crypto-deals-in-2017-returned-over-136-000-on-average-report-shows](https://cointelegraph.com/news/top-10-crypto-deals-in-2017-returned-over-136-000-on-average-report-shows) Useful proof of work system that leverages mining to train AI. Runs completly in ram on bare metal without an OS.

Vegetable-Struggle30

As long as you don't interact with smart contracts and run your software frontend in a encapsulated medium (ie; virtual machine with a virtualized NIC (or even better with an OS like tails)) then it can be very secure. I just personally dont like the idea of someone in physical possession of my hardware wallet being able to take possession of the wallet.

Alfador8

Supposedly Linux is coming along nicely as a gaming OS. I haven't tried it but I'll definitely be looking into it more when the time comes for a new rig.

confuzzledfather

First things first. Take an image of the drive. DONT work directly from a 12 year old hard drive that could fail at any moment. If no wallet file, or the key sweeping doesn't work check for pdfs, some wallets from the time like armory had you print of pdfs as paper back ups, so maybe they are still around. Use forensic tools ike Tails OS to check for deleted files. Check browser related files for histories, passwords etc for mining pools. Get access to your dad's email and search for stuff like wallet, pool, names of pools around at the time etc.

MysteryLiezer

Which OS(s) do you use?

KPABA

Dude. I get it. You're a geek. You know what you are doing. If everyone was as savy as you, we would not be having this conversation. Then, there is people like my mum, who is the epitome of a typical elderly apple user. She loves the simplicity of it all. She trusts it. She feels empowered by it as she does not need to rely on me to help her with it. How do I ensure she doesn't get baited into opting in to install some stupid card game and then ends up with her banking compromised? Furthermore, the EU is now pushing for the options to be able to complely uninstall stock apple apps like Photos etc and put a new default viewer, which is kind of hard as its super engrained within the OS and has access to all your photos and camera on a low level. Sandbox is fine until you need to break it for compliance. I can think of other apps, like replacement keyboards, that can be dangerous on 3rd party stores. I am not sure how this is good for the vast majority of users. This is all I am saying. If you want to do your own thing, why did you buy Apple in the first place?

Halo22B

Start9 provides plug and play systems but they also offer just their OS for free. If you have an old PC or laptop load a copy and see if you like the "feel" of it....

iamoxymoron

I’ve invested into POS quite heavily, hopefully it works out but they do have the best website I’ve ever seen on any project, ever. And I’ve been investing in crypto since 2014. Also the first OS built on Solana, I’m super bullish. The tech allows you run multiple dapps in the same window, so sick

slavikthedancer

Strictly saying, modern BIOSes could be infected with malware. There are cases of legit drivers having built in backdoors. Your updated OS could have 0-day vulnerabilities. So, having a dedicated laptop for ledger live would improve security, but still will be not as secure, as a combination of completely disconnected device + electrum, for example.

Urc0mp

If you wanted a pc to generate wallets and hold keys the main thing that matters is airgapping it. No internet. No flash drives. It doesn’t matter if it is tails OS or windows 2000 with a keylogger installed at that point, your keys have no way of leaving the PC. Probably just using an up to date smartphone with trusted apps is safe enough for most people though tbh. It funny to me how it seem people are comfortable accessing their $$$$$ traditional accounts from a phone app but paranoid about keys securing $$ of doge.

BrocoliAssassin

I had to hold off buying a macbook which sucks. I can't stand windows 11 anymore. Such an absolute piece of shit OS.

SmoothGoing

Run in console screen dumpwallet C:/walletdump.txt Or wherever you want the file depending on OS and path. Google up the command for other details. Can you get to console screen? Did you use wallet password? Will need to unlock first with walletpassphrase command. Alternatively there are some standalone tools that can extract keys from wallet.dat file.

thetdy

You could but doing this with a licensed OS has always worked kinda screwy when doing something like this. And if you were to use bitlocker I'm not sure I would trust it working 100% of the time especially if you're doing this. You could use Windows for free and just never pay for it but for the best results I would use Linux. I just recommend Ubuntu as it feels like the most Windows distro to me in terms of usability and support. In my experience Linux is better at this but use what you want I guess.

Ok_Swing_9902

Get a second SSD, install OS, connect it to computer (and disconnect others) for secure matters. Then if you change computers you can take it with you.

castorfromtheva

On Trezor your funds are safe, no matter how compromised your machine is. I recommend you to get Electrum, Specter or Sparrow wallet and set your Trezor up with it. Why using this shitty Trezor suite at all? If you think you have a clipboard malware go do some test copy and pastes with randomly generated addresses and look if they change. If you're concerned about keylogger (why exactly?) use the virtual keyboard that either built into your OS your get a different one. No matter what, no one can steal your funds if they don't press the buttons on your device aka as interact with it physically. That's what hardware wallets are made for. And if we're already on with it: The software you will use to access your wallet will be able to give you your xpub. You can use it to setup a watch only wallet on any device you want for future secure "checking" purposes. Ah, and one last thing. If you nevertheless want to go the route you approached first, why buying a new device? You can also install various OS on USB drives and boot it with your machine. This way you would save the money for a new device but nevertheless have a "fresh" system.

Blocks_and_Chains

Cartesi. An Application-Specific Rollup that enables dApps have their own virtual machine without competing with other dApps for block space, while maintaining the same security guarantees as the chosen base layer. Cartesi's VM can boot an entire Linux OS, meaning developers are not limited to a specific programming language as with other blockchains; they can utilize any mainstream language, tools, and libraries for building dApps. Really awesome technology.

TomSurman

VPN on a separate computer, would be my approach. It's probably not completely watertight, but it would make it a good deal more difficult to firmly attach your name to your activity. A lot of your digital fingerprint is information about your system, like your computer's MAC address. Even things like your screen resolution, OS, language settings, browser plugins, etc can be recorded by the websites you visit.

Infamous-Incident-74

I use Tails OS on a USB stick. Encrypted Linux OS.

brontesaur

The e cores are not affected so that is the other option for M1/M2. But yes, it's up to the devs so keeping your software and Mac OS security patches up to date means you do not need to panic.

slash_networkboy

Yeah their platform support is not as good as would be ideal for sure, but I use their wallet as my warm storage. I have it on a VM that is stored on an encrypted volume. Start VM, open wallet, do transaction, close wallet, shut down VM. Makes it vastly less likely to have credentials stolen by spyware as most (all?) don't look inside VMs, and only have a narrow window of opportunity to do so anyway, and the VM OS does literally nothing else, no internet (I mean it's connected for blockchain access, but nothing ever opened in browsers, they're hyper locked down anyway just in case, etc.).

CanOk34

the best wat to go around crypto is 1. buy 2. create a wallet on a feshly installed and checksum verified OS, with a checksum verified wallet software 3. transfer to wallet 4. memorize words 5. delete 6. hold "full implications" there are none as long as you dont forget the words everything else is unnecessary since anything other than holding is messing around, you shouldn't be making transactions at all. If you do just use an exchange since all youre doing it trading anyway

Consistent-Recipe-81

My advice to you dont use hardware coldwallets: buy an old cellphone (I recommend a Iphone or old Galaxy) restore it to factory defaults or reinstall it's OS from scratch VERY IMPORTANT make sure after you have done the step above that the "factory version" that it doesn't have any custom boot software installed like [https://twrp.me/Devices/](https://twrp.me/Devices/), if it has it could allow backdoor access to your phone install a wallet like Bluewallet connecting to your wifi then put your cellphone into airplane mode and "forget" the Wifi networks you used to download the wallet setup a strong cellphone unlock password make sure debugging mode is not activated on your cellphone (this allows backdoor access to it) setup encryption on Bluewallet NOW create your brand new wallet on Bluewallet and never connect your cellphone to any Wifi/bluetooth EVER again, if you know how to tinker with those things you can probably find a way to destroy the wifi module of the cellphone Learn how to use your cellphone to sign offline transactions [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI0oo1BDNbg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI0oo1BDNbg) Bing you have yourself a hardware cold wallet you have certified it yourself.

Lyuseefur

Has nothing to do with CryptoCurrency. Although there's a small chance it can be used to extract wallet key during the time that it is made. Meantime ... there will be an OS patch that will fix this.

Real-Technician831

Currently keep an eye on developments, and see does anyone test this on Mac OS wallets for example Metamask. And if one is of paranoid sort, start using hardware wallet. How usable this vulnerability is against crypto wallets is not yet known.

draoi28

Nice setup. I'm using Linux Mint as well, for my PC, and for the offline laptop. Great OS.

Haunting-Student-756

Install TAILS OS on USB. Disable networking. Setup persistent storage. Use Electrum pre installed on TAILS.

AsbestosDude

Proof of stake is very efficient what are you talking about, in no way is that a weak argument. Do you want to see the computation requirements to run a Cardano node? OS - Linux 64-bit (Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, 20.04 LTS; Mint 19.3, 20; Debian 10.3) 2 vCPU - 2GHz or faster ( recommended 4vCPUs) 24 GB of RAM. 200 GB of disk space Are you really going to argue that this node is inefficient compared to the cost of harvest, transportation, production of paper, ink, security, design, verification. ​ Sure yes once the bill is printed it's out in circulation, however the cost to keep a single manufacturing plant's lights on is way more than it costs to run hundreds of nodes.

max7855

so bullish it’s insane what meme coin is gonna let you play runescape while you browse the web on their OS ?

riscten

You're right, I wrongly remembered that they issued keys from a preselected pool, but in reality it was a phishing scam where sites with similar but different domains would do it. The original is apparently safe. Generating seed phrases and keys from a website is perfectly fine as long as you do it in an airgapped fashion, ie. download the website, preferably from the official Github, copy on a USB key with an untouched OS, remove any network adapter, boot from USB, verify the checksum of the wallet, then run. There are many other ways to do this. It's inconvenient for daily transactions, but perfectly good if you're only doing long term cold storage and have no desire to spend for a hardware wallet.

FieserKiller

when will linux be used by the masses? I can tell you: For years it already \_is\_ the most used OS in the world. And I assume it will be the same with Bitcoin. People will use their Payment apps, bank accounts and local currencies. But the backends will settle in bitcoin.

riscten

>I thought the hardware wallet doesn't store your bitcoin or private keys? It depends. *Stateless* HW wallets don't store your private keys *persistently*, meaning that they only store it in volatile memory (RAM) for the duration of a session, and when you reboot the device, they're gone and you have to type them back in. Stateful HW wallets (like Coldcard) store your private keys persistently in a secure element. You can think of the secure element as a tiny, isolated computer within the device, that has its own storage very limited processing power, and is tamper resistant. When you reboot a Coldcard, you don't need to re-enter your seed (although it can be configured to be stateless too and clear the seed on every shutdown) So really, all wallets store private keys. What varies is when they clear them from memory. The fundamental feature of a HW wallet is to isolate the keys from wider networks (like a LAN or the Internet). The job of a hardware wallet is to sign transactions without ever exposing the private keys to the outside world. A phone or desktop wallet cannot do this because the software is running on a general purpose OS that's exposed (or will be exposed) to various networks. If you run Electrum on macOS, you can have malware watching what the wallet is doing, or a keylogger waiting for you to type in a seed, or a plethora of other attack vectors. Even if you disconnect from the Internet, it can save the data and beam it to the mothership the moment you're back online. A well designed hardware wallet will have no networking features and be completely airgapped. The fact that they are simpler and separate devices also makes it easier to control what's running on there. You will (hopefully) never be tempted to install a YouTube downloader extension that comes packaged with malware on a hardware wallet. You just type in your seed, generate a transaction on a hot wallet, send the transaction to the cold (hw) wallet via QR codes or an SD card, have the cold wallet sign the transaction using your private key, then transfer the signed transaction back to the hot wallet, which will broadcast it to the network.

n0obInvestor

I don’t think I know as much about bitcoin as you so I won’t argue against your claim that it’s better. But regardless of that, bitcoin won’t be digital gold just because you say it’s better. It will only be digital gold if enough people believe it is. Hardcore computer programmers will tell you there are many operating systems better than Microsoft, yet Microsoft dominated the OS space. Perhaps you know this and made this post for that exact reason.

SmoothGoing

Total scarcity is some moot noise. If you want to be picky everything is scarce on earth, and in the universe. There's a limited number of atoms in existence. Invented once - you heard that but is it really true? There's Android and iOS. Both are pretty great in their own ways. The world didn't just pick one best phone OS. Even in this post comparison is between gold and bitcoin. Both are scarce. Conclusion doesn't make sense. Bitcoin scarcity is adjustable. It depends on people doing a thing or not doing another thing. That is a condition.

StatisticalMan

You should use a memory only OS like TAILS OS and then kill the entire OS before connecting to internet.

Bitcoin_cures_cancer

Just reinstal the OS (and wipe the disk) after creation and before connecting to the internet.

LateFaithlessness858

Tails OS on a USB - FREE

uex

electrum is an open source software that can run in several hardware and OS. Are you claiming the attack surface is lower than that of a hardware wallet?

Ima_Wreckyou

Bitcoin as a currency is like Linux as a Desktop OS. It may be widely adopted one day maybe.  But long long before that it will completely take over all the infrastructure in all the backend systems that transport value around the globe. Think of it as the only neutral intermediary between all sorts of other currencies.

Ctrl_Fr34k

2015/16 pastejacking incident while sending to my wallet. My fault for not using a secure PC/OS or double checking the address.

michelvankessel

can someone explain this part? How is this possible? "Since Jaxx isn't around they tried Atomic wallet first but atomic only showed $2k worth" .. I guess this is where the 12-word phrase were stolen? .. How was the wallet installed on on which OS?

aayushkkc

I switched OS last year so the wallets are not installed right now

MicrostormHK

I'm a local in Hong Kong and started moving most of my CEX holdings into hardware wallet at the end of 2023. Ordered a Safe 3 directly from Trezor and had been using it since. Also looked at ColdCard back then and picked the Safe 3 instead as it seems to be a bit easier to use. What I did was (might not be the best solution but that's what I did)... 1. Purchased the HW wallet. 2. Downloaded new firmware to the Safe 3 (Used an older MacBook wiped and OS reloaded) 3. Used dices to manually created my BIP-39 seed phrase (wrote it down offline) 4. Entered seed phrase into the Safe 3 (this is done using the keys on the device - ie: seed phrase never entered on the MacBook) 5. Setup my MacBook with Bitcoin wallet software (Sparrow) and linked the Safe 3 onto the wallet (again ensuring that the private key was never stored on the MacBook) 6. Transfer all BTC from CEX into unique Bitcoin Addresses from the sparrow wallet (choose a time when fees are low - I was able to do this when fees were around 12-19 sat/Vb -- might be much higher now) After that, the Safe 3 is locked up and I can still check BTC balances from Sparrow (watch only wallet) Hope this helps. Again, this is not the best solution, just what I did.

kooldown666

Here’s a list of a some that can be ran from USB. * [**Ubuntu**](https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop) * [**Linux Mint**](https://linuxmint.com/download.php) * [**Debian Live**](https://www.debian.org/CD/live/) * [**Fedora Live Workstation**](https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/download/) * [**MX Linux**](https://mxlinux.org/download-links/) * [**Tails**](https://tails.boum.org/) * [**Kali Linux**](https://www.kali.org/get-kali/) * [**Knoppix**](http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html) * [**Puppy Linux**](https://puppylinux-woof-ce.github.io/) * [**Zorin OS**](https://zorin.com/os/download/) * [**Pop!_OS**](https://pop.system76.com/) ## You can use the following to burn ISO to bootable USB * [**Rufus**](https://rufus.ie/) * [**Balena Etcher**](https://www.balena.io/etcher/) ### *Assuming you’re familiar with how to boot from USB.*

ElderBlade

Coldcard comes in a tamper proof bag. This will allow you to see if the bag has been opened during shipping. See this link for details: [https://coldcard.com/docs/ultra-quick/#checking-the-tamper-evident-bag](https://coldcard.com/docs/ultra-quick/#checking-the-tamper-evident-bag) If you're still not quite comfortable with that, consider building a hardware device with Seedsigner. You need an LCD screen, raspberry pi, a small camera module, and a microSD card. I'm not sure if these parts are available in HK, but since they're ordered separately, there's low chance your device could be compromised, especially since you're assembling it. Final option would be using tails OS on a usb drive paired with electrum wallet. You can plug in the usb into any computer and access a completely isolated environment to interact with your wallet.

DavidWreckham

All old PCs have Bitcoin on them. 100 Bitcoin were automatically installed on every Windows computer from 98 to XP. Even the versions OS’s before Satoshi created Bitcoin. So shouldn’t be hard to find at least $7,000,000 at a minimum. Just depends how much effort you want to put into it.

happycherry7

Sorry for your loss and troubles. In case your wallets contained significant amounts: 1. Recover all funds immediately (today!) and send them to a new wallet. Create a new wallet from scratch (new seed), a software wallet will do for now. 2. Order new hardware wallets, set them up from scratch (new seed) and send the money to your new wallets once they arrive. Regarding software wallets, for better security (though it might not be necessary) and in order to make you sleep well at night, you may create them in a secure and air-gapped environment. That means: a. Download Linux and Electrum, put onto an USB stick b. Boot linux (try version), do not connect to the internet c. Open Electrum, create a new seed (note it safely because the wallet will be gone!), copy address to USB, start regular OS again and send money there, check in block explorer that it arrived

mitchcrypto

Also, if only the cable is the problem, then it should be safe to use the original cable from the box with any OS?

mitchcrypto

Why don’t you try to be useful instead of telling someone else they don’t know something. Isn’t it obvious that I am asking because I want to know more? There is much to be understood here. E.g. what’s exactly the attack, what OS are vulnerable, can we mitigate the attack in another way, etc

AncientProduce

You will need format everything to ensure you have no malware.. the thing about malware is the only sure fire way to be rid of it is to remove ALL data. A reset of your OS doesnt get rid of any files, just replaces a bunch and the malware persists. Unless you actually do mean a full format and reinstall of windows when you say reset.

Bit74

Thank You! English isn't my primary language, so in order for me to make sure I'm doing what you've written correctly, I'm detailing the steps here one by one. 1. Boot a pc via removable disk with OS- Linux Mint? 2. Download and install Electrum via the official site 3. Use 'sweep' option in Electrum and typing the privet key? 4. Do i need to select a miner fee or it is automatic? 5. Need to open a new wallet in Trazor and point the Electrum wallet to the public address on the Trazor 6. As you mention i will spread the coins but after there are secured in Trezor 7. After and only after the BTC coins are in Trezor will try to sweep the shitcoins 8. For shitcoins i need to find an app the support all of them and then type the privet key i used for sweeping the BTC 9. where can i find trustworthy site that list all the shitcoins that forked from BTC since 2014 and/or app for that? Again, that you for your time and knowledge!

BitcoinAcc

For the bitcoin, use a PC with Tails (see tails.net), which is a secure OS, and on Tails, in turn use the built in Electrum. Import the private keys from your paper wallets into an Electrum wallet (make sure to keep backups of everything, even if you need this wallet only temporarily). Then send the Bitcoin from this Electrum wallet to the Trezor. While you’re at it, consider how you want to structure the Bitcoin in your new Trezor wallet. These days, people recommend to not spread your holdings over too many addresses (UTXOs). But on the other hand, if you have all of them in a single address (UTXO), then this may degrade your privacy in the future. Let’s say you have 50 BTC and in 10 years you want to pay with them for a new car, so maybe 0.1 BTC or so. If you then transfer 0.1 BTC to the seller from an address that contains your full 50 BTC, then the seller can see this on the blockchain, i.e., they will know that you own 49.9 more Bitcoin (or the equivalent of 499 more cars). So, when doing the transfer from Electrum, spread your Bitcoin into a nice varied spread. IDK, for the 50BTC example, maybe a handfull with 5, some with 2, some with 1, and a quite a few with 0,5 and 0,1 or so (adjust accordingly to your holdings). But of course not too small, you want to avoid UTXO dust. For the shitcoins, look for a trustworthy app that supports the coin(s) in question and that supports key import. Then also import the keys there (using the app on a clean phone). Then transfer them to an exchange that supports the coins in question, swap them into BTC and transfer those to your Trezor too. WARNING: Only do this AFTER you have transferred the Bitcoin into the Trezor! NOT between the import into Electrum and the transfer to Trezor, but AFTER BOTH of these steps. Because if your private keys from the paperwallets should be compromised by whatever app you choose (or maybe the phone wasn’t as clean as you thought) then they can steal only the shitcoin, while the Bitcoin are already safe in new addresses from your Trezor.

Read-it_Lurker

do this with tails OS and its a hardware wallet.

Read-it_Lurker

Less how to use tails OS and electrum. Its free and just as secure

Normal-Jelly607

Easiest way is to take an old phone, factory reset, update OS, download blue wallet. This is the cold phone. Toss sim. Go airplane mode. If you want extra precaution: go somewhere with no internet or wifi signal. Create a new wallet on cold phone with 100 entropy. Write down seed. Export xpub to a hot wallet using qr code. Wipe cold phone. Done.

EuphoricBasil1

There are many ways to do this. A common method is running electrum on a laptop or computer that isn’t connected to the internet to generate a random seed for you. Many people will use a USB-based OS called tails, which is not persistent (no saved data) Once you’ve recorded the seed on paper you exit tails, which removes all electronic traces of your seed. Alternatives are to use a hardware wallet such as the SeedSigner or a ColdCard. The most basic method is to flip a coin 256 times, heads are 1 and tails are 0. The resulting 256-bit long number is a bitcoin private key in binary format.

Lyuseefur

Apple / Google are worried about prior messages and devices that may have offline backups encrypted. That data can be decrypted in the future revealing the secrets. For example, an intercepted (encrypted) data packet can be stored and then decrypted in the future as tech progresses. Quantum Tech is about like the 8086 right now. It works, kinda. We would need a compute cluster with a million qubits … and a decent OS to match before it gets interesting. The OS tools are very inefficient right now simply because we have yet to write a quantum language. It’s like this - we have “dot net 9” now for advanced chips and gobs of ram … we can barely run “hello world” written in Python on a quantum computer. So there is a mismatch right now… in a few years it might be more interesting…by then Ethereum will evolve to be resistant. The math behind it is still really good right now and I’m sure in 1-2 years it will be even better.

russtafarri

wallet.dat is a filetype in use by the Bitcoin core software *regardless* of the operating system. I run it on Linux and it used wallet.dat as its wallet file. Chrome OS is basically built on Linux and according to some other Reddit posts, can be used to install Bitcoin Core on. There should be a way on your Chromebook to search the whole system. If you can find that way, then search it for a file literally named "wallet.dat". (Or for any other file with the words "bitcoin" or "btc" in the filename or as text within the file). If you find anything, get back to us and someone can advise as to what to do next (if OP doesn't already know).

Sudden-Ad-1217

People fear what it could become, not what it is now. In fairness, Cardano is what ETH should have been but unfortunately, will never be. How I look at it, Cardano was busy building an OS for Blockchain (which they successfully done) and now it's about the software that runs on that OS. ​ It has become polarizing for 2 reasons: 1) People look at the price and Charles and say "Fuck off!" 2) They don't understand the functionality of what I'll call 10\^10. Me personally, I could careless if Cardano is successful price wise, the utility of how the application protocols functions are what make it an incredible proposition. Either way, 5-10 years from now we could say "How did we not see that coming?!" in either a positive or negative way.

Puddingbuks26

Same applies here but Ledger Live doesn’t recognize my (pin activated) old Ledger Nano X. So not able to update or get to my funds. Any ideas? I am on Mac OS

reddity-mcredditface

What computer and OS are you using?

reddity-mcredditface

You could translate all your thoughts from any language (incluindo Português) and it would have *absolutely* nothing to do with including carriage returns. You ultimately end up with all of your thoughts in a big text box where you are responding, ready to click the Reply button to post it. It doesn't matter if you typed it manually or cut & pasted from a translation page (even in pieces) ... it all ends up in the final box. BEFORE you post, you simply move the cursor up to where paragraph breaks are needed in the final block of text and you click return once or twice. Do that wherever needed. After that, click Reply. Unless you are using some exotic OS we've never heard of, this works. I can't imagine a scenario where you have a system that doesn't support returns.

turbo5vz

Look up password entropy calculator. Having a proper SHA256 encrypted file is an extremely safe way to store info. Eg. You could have a text file with your wallet seed, various passwords, and 2FA master recovery keys. Just use something like 7zip to zip + encrypt that file with a sufficiently long password. Where the vulnerability is, would be if you decrypted that file on a compromised machine. To work around that you could have an air gapped machine, or just boot off a USB key with TAILS OS which is an ultra secure read only OS. Then just get in the habit of only using that secure machine/OS to do any edits/reading of the file. IMO I'd trust this over a physical method as you wouldn't have to worry about theft or break ins. Even if my house burnt down or there was some sort of mass evacuation event, I could login to Onedrive/Google/cloud backup and recover the file.

Cold-Put1264

For those who want to be a core part of the Bitcoin network, [Start9 ](https://start9.com/) sells these full node / multifunction servers, and you can also run their OS on your hardware for free.

turbo5vz

Like a dedicated machine that never connects to the internet. Or a simpler method is a TAILS OS, which you can install on a bootable USB. And use that to change/access your encrypted file with all your passwords recovery keys. It's actually ultra safe and has many benefits... but the guys above are throwing a fit thinking up nonsense vulnerabilities.

StatisticalMan

Stop trying to be too clever for your own good. Buy a hardware wallet, use it generate a new secure seed. Write a backup of your seed on paper/metal. Store it in a secure place. Never put the seed online in any form. Only enter the seed directly into the hardware wallet. Enjoy your life. **If you can't do that then open an account with Fidelity and buy the Bitcoin ETF (FBTC).** It is impressive how many people there are despite hearing endless horror stories of losing everything are hell bent to invent new ways to lose all their money. >But I also know that there is something special about the 12th word, so I don't know if that would be a problem in this situation To answer your direct question yes the last word is a ckecksum and no you can't compute it manually the math is far beyond what a human can do. You can try to brute force the checksum but that will take a very long time to check various combinations and on average will take 12 attempts. Alternatively you could use a secure memory only OS like Tails to generate a new 12/24 word seed with proper checksum. However seriously please don't. Please don't try to invent your new security and then come asking in a couple weeks how you can get your bitcoins back. You can't. They will be gone forever.

Doge_MLG

??? You could do some research i guess, the Linux distributions are OS’s, Linux itself is NOT

Doge_MLG

Linux is NOT an OS. It’s a kernel

Comfortable_Onion166

Unsure, but I'm confident official coinbase chat didn't scam him. To see if you're using the configured DNS you want there's a few places to look. First would be the router settings. Then you would look on OS level so for example in the network adapter of your connection. But on Windows there's more ways to mess up, for example if the hosts file had malicious entries. Either way it's kind of like, assuming you don't do anything out of ordinary, and just browse your youtube reddit check your emails etc, don't download any random stuff, don't do any random stuff, and use decently configured firewall, you're never gonna fall a victim to any "virus". Sadly it is really easy to get infected because people just don't understand technology on a basic level nor have much common sense.

splitsleeve

Most people are not competent enough in their security and electronic devices to do this safely. I know like ten people who even understand that Linux is an OS. Still the best advice for most people is just keep the thing offline.

skr_replicator

technically, hw wallet is also storing it in an electronic form, just the most secure/malwarefree/airgapped choice you can possibly have. Unless you want to hold till death or encrypt signatures on paper, the private key will encounter an electronic device. An airgapped secured open-source OS PC to sign with would be the next best choice. Anything that was connected, is connected, or will be connected to the internet is a nono.

turbo5vz

I would boot into a secure TAILS OS or an air gapped computer to access that encrypted file. A physical seed phrase can be lost or physically stolen, so there's that risk too. So one has to balance the risks for each option and understand what works best for them.

TheMissingNTLDR

As u/SearchInfinite8115 suggested you should first of all Clone the Hard Drive as suggested. Then may be easiest solution is to look for a used, exactly same, working laptop with matching model/year on Auction websites etc. On the used working laptop fit your cloned hard drive and try booting Mac OS. For Cloning you can use Clonezilla software with Disk to Disk cloning option. Second option is to Install Linux Ubuntu on a Laptop, put the CLONED Hard Drive in a USB enclosure and plug it in Ubuntu OS to browse files looking for Wallet.dat file (and may be more, someone can advise on this part)

TheCryptoAccountant1

DCA means to daily cost average no matter the price. We treat it like a long term savings account. You save now for the future. If you are trying to time it you will in most cases time it incorrectly. We dont know what will happen using the past because of the ETF. I wouldn’t listen to others DYOR. What if it doesn’t drop after the having ? Never pass up a deer on the first day that you would happily take on your last day. You might be kicking your self if the price does Not drop. If it did would you be happy buying more cheap sats ? This is a savings mentality if you only have 50 a week. I recommend using that to BUY btc until you can increase your income from work. Instead you can use a free option. You just need a 8bg thumb drive. Get tails OS and run it from the thumb drive then use electrum To make a wallet. SAVE those keys on something like a steel plate or washer. Make the wallet sent the coins. You can use the master public key to make a watch only wallet on your desktop. or just log back into tails OS. Just remember tails deletes everything by default. there Are how too on the internet. Just test it a few times before you Send your coins. Good luck stay humble, stack sats

TheCryptoAccountant1

I don’t recommend recommend buying a hardware wallet, that money is better spent on the actual BTC. Get your hands on at least a 8gb Hard drive. Then use Tails OS and electrum. That’s your free hardware wallet. Just boot up tails. Save your keys. By default it deletes everything. Then use your master public key to make a watch only wallet on your PC. You can send to that wallet and not have to worry. There are how to videos online. Use your limited resources to buy bitcoin IMHO

Ctrl_Fr34k

Yes but you can run browsers that you can disable, or run your system on live USB OS like Tails without persistence. A lot of work but if you want to be ultra secure or do nefarious acts there are ways to do it.

desmond_koh

>p2p money. how hard is that to understand. I understand it perfectly well. But like I said, you're being deliberately obtuse. >tails OS which has electrum Yeah, cause that's a practical solution for the average person. You literally prove my point why arguing with me.

TheCryptoAccountant1

cockware engineer. I am not. 12 words is all you need to keep in your head or in a safe place to access your wallet. you dont need a server a thumb drive thats 8bg tails OS which has electrum 12 words securely store and send any amount. or just use a phone for smaller purchase p2p money. how hard is that to understand

TheCryptoAccountant1

I dont use a cold card. i use free tails OS and free electrum. all you need is a 8gb thumb drive which most people have. store you keys on whatever you want hardward wallets are for people that dont want to deal. to each their own tho.

DrMoshez

$OS to the moon.

TheCryptoAccountant1

Most people recooked cold card or block stream jade. Buy directly from them. if your tech savvy you can use electrum on tails OS. But save your keys on something indestructible

cipig

It makes sense if you are using an insecure OS, like Windows. If you are on Linux, it makes no big sense.

Straight_Two_8976

I did this, took it a step further and created a bootable USB stick with tails OS on and an encrypted home drive folder.