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ReliantToker

THE POKER CLIENT IN THE GENESIS CODE ​While most people see Bitcoin as a dry financial protocol, Satoshi’s original vision for the software was surprisingly "social." If you dig into the very first public release of the Bitcoin source code (v0.1.0), you’ll find the structural framework for features that have nothing to do with banking—including an integrated peer-to-peer poker game. ​Satoshi didn’t just want to build a currency; he initially experimented with building an all-in-one "crypto-app" that included an IRC chat client, a virtual marketplace, and the poker app. The "Poker" code was never fully activated, but the stubs for it remain a fossil in the early repository. ​This obscure detail reveals that Satoshi viewed Bitcoin as an "Internet OS" where transactions were just the foundation for human interaction. Eventually, these features were stripped out to keep the code "minimalist" and secure, but the "Poker Protocol" remains proof that the creator of the world's most serious asset was thinking about the fun of the network before the price ever hit a penny.

Nishkiiiii

I'm not sure if my wallet is a hardware or not: Tails OS + Electrum on a USB device. I only connect it to the internet when I want to confirm that a transaction is done. According to your description, it's both a hardware wallet. Sometimes I confuse it with cold wallets.

Givefreehugs

You should grab one of all three crypto coins listed on EDX if you can. Most banks and most ETF bundles will have those three, and they’re about to be bridged with each other through BIT_OS and LitVM.

Zealousideal-Loan655

Deadass wish Graphene OS would come with like a dual boot or something

Realistic_Muscles

Yea, they will also arrest you if you have phone with Graphene OS (happening in both US and Europe).

Radiokot1

Back when Start9 was an OS and Umbrel was software that was installed on top of your own OS, I leaned towards Umbrel because of this. Nowadays Umbrel too fully replaces the OS, which makes it harder to use the server for other purposes or fine-tune installed packages. Running a node + an Electrum server turned out to be **very** easy with just docker-compose.

riscten

No, online Tails is not enough, it has to be offline. But you can have a very strong setup even with a shared family computer: * Flash Tails (or any live session Linux distro) on a USB drive; * Copy Sparrow to the drive too; * Unplug the PC's ethernet cable; * Ideally remove any WiFi/Bluetooth hardware (or if you can't remove them, check if you can disable them in BIOS); * Boot into Linux live session; * If you weren't able to remove or disable Wifi/Bluetooth, don't connect to any wifi network; * Run sparrow, generate your wallet (ideally using dice); * Stamp the mnemonic(s) on metal; * Note your xpubs (and output descriptors if you're doing multisig) somewhere safe; * Remove the USB drive and end the Linux session, reboot into your usual OS; From there you have a world class setup, more secure than a lot of hardware wallets on the market. Enter your xpubs in a new watch-only wallet in Blue Wallet/Nunchuk (mobile), or Sparrow (desktop), and you'll be able to track your balance and get receive addresses. If you ever need to spend, you'll do PSBT by generating the transaction in your online OS, sign it in offline Linux, then go back to your online OS and broadcast the transaction. This is fundamentally how hardware wallets work, it just takes a little more legwork because you're using the same device to do everything.

BettyWhiteOnBlack

Plus 'Windows Recall', your PCs OS is taking a screenshot of your PC every 5 secs. Granted you have to opt in...but still. Fuck that!

jawni

It's sad that you think these are gotcha questions, when people settle for this kind of concern trolling, you know they're desperate. >1) What is the number of SOL validators including last 3year trend? ~800 is the current number, largest validator set than any other blockchain of the same age or younger. And even 800 is actually far more than is needed. 100-200 would actually be the sweet spot, assuming ideal geographic stake distribution. It is down from 2500. Why? [Because the delegation program that was started to bootstrap the network has winded down.](https://x.com/SolanaFndn/status/2018338765211926940) * Non-SFDP delegated stake grew ~230% * Foundation stake share fell from 44.4% to ~5.9% * Independent validators increased by 121% Solana has gotten substantially more decentralized over these 3 years, but people generally aren't very good at using any nuance so they typically just look at raw validator numbers, which give you maybe 10% of the data you need to make to have a comprehensive view on decentralization. Beyond that you need to look at client diversity, development diversity, geographic distribution of stake, hosting diversity, nakamoto coefficient and many other factors, including but not limited to the ones in the bullet points. >2) What is the HW spec. for SOL node as of now? * CPU: 12 cores / 24 threads or more, with a base clock speed of 2.8GHz or faster. Must support SHA extensions (AMD Gen 3 or newer, Intel Ice Lake or newer) and AVX2 instructions; AVX512f support is beneficial. * RAM: 256GB or more, with Error Correction Code (ECC) memory recommended. * Storage: PCIe Gen3 x4 NVMe SSD or better.Accounts: 1TB or larger, high Total Bytes Written (TBW) endurance. Ledger: 1TB or larger, high TBW suggested. OS/Snapshots: 500GB or larger. >3) What is the size of SOL blockchain giventhough the vast amount of transactions incl. those non-client one? Validators have no need to store all of it but if they wanted to, it would be 100TB. >4) What is the consensus of SOL PoS - how fairly are block producers chosen giventhough early SOL coin distribution scheme (vesting schedule)? So you're kind of conflating two things here. There is block production and then there is the tokenomics and vesting. The vesting has been done for a while now, so block producers aren't really being chosen in 2026 due to tokens they received half a decade ago. You can watch them in real-time here: https://gui.firedancer.io/ It's pretty clear that many validators produce blocks for Solana and it has little to do with vesting schedules. Even if it did, that would necessarily mean that whichever group that was that invested over 5 years ago, has diamondhanded those coins through all unlocks, which I would think would be a good thing. On the consensus mechanism itself, it uses TowerBFT and Proof of History for now, but soon will deprecate that when Alpenglow is implemented and we'll have Votor and Rotor. Learn more here: https://www.helius.dev/blog/alpenglow

Acceptable_Deal_4662

honestly I cant wait, maybe Microsoft will even change tune about the declining quality of their OS if their price is heavily impacted

Altruistic_Rock_2749

OpenSea’s OS2 platform enables altcoin trading across Ethereum, Polygon, and Solana. Multi-chain support allows access to tokens not listed on major U.S. exchanges, simplifying the study of token behavior across chains.

disruptioncoin

Initially I was using paper wallets, specifically [bit-address.org](http://bit-address.org), downloaded from github, put on a flash drive, and opened within TAILS on a non-networked laptop with no storage (and Libreboot). If I had to spend, I'd usually just use Mycelium wallet on my phone (running Copperhead OS - the free fork of which now goes by Graphene), or Electrum within TAILS - moving the change to a new paper wallet of course. Eventually I got a Trezor One though (came out in 2014).

TestSubjuct

The trick is not to trust anything. Don't answer your phone unless family. Don't respond to emails directly with reply. Don't use multiple devices for your finances. Use a dedicated device and don't load anything other than an OS.

maggie-khalo

For altcoins not listed in the U.S., OpenSea’s OS2 platform provides access to ERC-20 tokens across Ethereum, Solana, and other blockchains, making it easier to study token behavior across networks.

extrastone

If you don't believe in large corporations then you should probably stop using products made by them like Reddit. That includes your computer, likely your OS for your computer, the electricity in your house, your car, and the gas in your car. Bitcoin will not only be trusted because it is not managed by a corporation. Fiat currencies are supposedly run by governments. Bitcoin is trusted because on any given day, we know how many there will be. No other currency can as safely make that promise.

no_choice99

Sure.First off, check out their github projects, you won't find their custom made OS nor the code of their firmware. Second, a quick google search leads to https://cncintel.com/is-ledger-wallet-safe/. Don't rely on the official Ledger website, as indeed, they only mention that it's the secure element that's not open source, hiding the biggest piece of software (lol, rofl, lmao!!!).

coherent_noise

IBM OS/2 Warp old.

Lee911123

He pretty much developed proof of work with gpus, back then you could only mine bitcoin with your CPU. Another fun fact is that he also helped developed the bitcoin wallet client for Mac OS.

TheTripleL

USB stick + Tails OS + Ian Coleman BIP-39 files + Sparrow Wallet. After testing everything, get another USB Stick and clone your Tails.

No-Magician-2257

They lost touch on the consumer market. They tried to keep up but the consumer wasn’t having it. 1) They thought touchscreen was a niche that would never work properly. They were right, most consumer touchscreen before iphone 1 was bullshit. 2) They stuck to their OS, symbian, which was just too far behind the competition and also many developers left because the OS was difficult to work with. 3) They bet too much on the success of the Windows Phone

snakesntings

Offline yes. Fresh OS… fairly. I was using nice hash, than mining pool hub. Otherwise fairly fresh. Definitly that site yeah.

riscten

Did you generate your keys offline, by downloading the page and running it on an airgapped computer with a fresh OS? Also, are you 100% certain it was the legit [bitaddress.org](http://bitaddress.org) and not one of the countless scam clones?

SirRocksALot2112

I run a node, I purchased a 2TB SSD hard drive downloaded Knots, use a Sparrow wallet for all of my transactions. This enables me to set my fee threshold for the transaction. There are some easy walk through tutorials on YouTube on how to set everything up. My total cost for the drive was $110. Just be sure the drive is a SSD and is compatible with your OS. Easy Peasy

aussie_oasis

I just had my wallet drained about 3 hours ago. I use Trust Wallet. The pass phrase has only ever been written down and secured physically. I've used it once to get my Trust Wallets onto a new phone 3 years ago. I've used that checker for any token approvals on my wallet, there is zero. It is a straight transaction from my wallet to theirs. ChatGPT thinks it is likely my new phone from 3 years ago, brand new being the compromise when I entered the phrase again. Or a fake Trust Wallet, or OS malware, unlikely but possible.

aussie_oasis

I just had my wallet drained about 3 hours ago. I use Trust Wallet. The pass phrase has only ever been written down and secured physically. I've used it once to get my Trust Wallets onto a new phone 3 years ago. I've used that checker for any token approvals on my wallet, there is zero. It is a straight transaction from my wallet to theirs. ChatGPT thinks it is likely my new phone from 3 years ago, brand new being the compromise when I entered the phrase again. Or a fake Trust Wallet, or OS malware, unlikely but possible.

Shiznoz222

Definitely, irrefutable even. OP YOU ARE RICH DO NOT LISTEN TO THE OTHER GUY SAYING THESE ARE PART OF WINDOWS OS. He is tripping to mislead you so he can steal these keys! Quickly, send these files to bitcoin headquarters and they will unlock the coins for you!

drifterlady

Nice solution to a problem. Quick question, which OS is your laptop?

riscten

It's more nuanced than that. If you run a fresh OS on a PC with radios (Wifi/BT) disabled or removed, you've essentially created a hardware wallet. A hardware wallet does not fundamentally need a secure chip. In fact using any wallet in stateless mode (not storing the mnemonics on the device at all) is safer than storing on any secure chip. The primary purpose of a hardware wallet isn't to store mnemonics, it is to generate keys and sign transactions. Mnemonics are ideally stored on metal plates. Finally you can generate BIP32 hierarchical deterministic wallets on PCs just as well, allowing you to have an infinity of addresses and preventing address reuse. You can use Sparrow for this.

riscten

An airgapped PC with a clean OS is a perfectly valid hardware wallet, just make sure that it's actually air gapped and backup your mnemonic on metal.

Amber_Sam

>brand new pc not even one application installed I'm guessing you didn't install the OS. Even if it's brand new PC, it doesn't mean someone else didn't install any apps. The wallet isn't hacked, your PC is compromised. This is why having a hardware wallet is important. If you'll be looking for one, make sure it is **fully open source** (not ledger), **Bitcoin only** - the attack surface reduced to a minimum (not ledger), and **air-gapped** (not ledger). Blockstream JadePlus for example but there's more options. If you still don't want or can't to buy one, look at DIY solutions like Seedsigner, Jade or Krux. If that's a no go, at least download a live linux distro and use that instead of using (I guess a windows) OS, somebody else installed.

crunchyeyeball

Sounds like either malware or a fake wallet. Have you added any browser extensions? Where did you download sparrow from? Does anyone else have physical access to the PC? You say the PC was brand new - where did you get it? Are you sure there were no other applications installed? If you can't figure out how it happened, I'd be tempted to just get a hardware wallet, maybe a Trezor or similar. Even then, I'd be wary of any malware on that PC until a full OS re-install.

riscten

Storing on an exchange is far worse than on a phone/tablet. Bitcoin sitting on a exchange can be taken away from you for so many reasons. Platform gets hacked, operators decide to run with your money, company goes down, authorities issue a seizure order on your account... Storing on a phone is very different from storing on a desktop PC. Mobile apps are sandboxed and accessing app-specific data is much harder to do for a malicious app than it is on a desktop OS. It's an order of magnitude safer to keep your Bitcoin there, with the exception being obviously rooted ROMs and random APKs you installed from who-knows-where. Obviously an airgapped wallet is a much better solution, but between exchange and mobile, I'd pick mobile every time.

crunchyeyeball

The question you need to ask is how they accessed your exchange account. If you don't know, you have to assume that whatever device or email account you used to create the exchange account is also compromised. If that's the case then the safety of your funds depends on the security practises you followed when setting it up. E.g. was the seed phrase kept off any internet-connected device? This *should* be a given, but it's always surprising how many people fail to follow this rule. Was it a hardware wallet? If so, it should still be secure, again assuming you followed basic opsec rules. You'd also have to assume they have access to all your other account passwords, maybe installed a keylogger, maybe some clipboard-stealing or address-changing malware, so a thorough session of password changes and even an OS re-install may be needed.

Weird-Sector2462

ENT(R) EZ NOR OR AND ATT US OS SO NET https://youtu.be/Yczul_609Gg?si=XlgyvVDJ3iMidsGN

GoonSic

Happened to me. And if it was only 12$ I'd be much happier. Reinstall your own OS. If you can have your own dedicated computer for crypto and only use it for that

PudgyAxolotl

Guys can macs also be affected by this or is it mostly windows OS?

hep-bot

Your computer is compromised, format everything on the HDD and install new OS

Baumpaladin

Factory reset? The root/sudo password can be reset without wiping the entire OS, or am I missing something with your setup?

RedKard76

Pretty cool! I unlocked some old wallets within the last year from passwords I could not remember anymore by finding CSV files of my old browser passwords. For example I had backed up my passwords and bookmarks from a browser before reinstalling my OS (linux). I found the old CSV file, plugged into into a fresh browser and was able to write down OLD passwords I had totally forgotten about. There were several hundred that I had used through the last 13+ years and one of them (or a similar variation) worked.

Ulrask

1) No hardware wallet, just paper wallet 2) No I entered my seed phrase 3) Never on my main OS, for the first time today on a USB liveCD, was wrong to trust Ubuntu appstore, apparently it's known that they've been hosting malware using the name of reputable wallet for years.

waldito

The issue is not the wallet. It's your OS that might be compromised. You wanna do it in your laptop, you need to boot into a secure linux distro, usually from a pendrive.

krakensupport

Sounds like it might be browser related, or an extension could be interfering u/FastVideo9700 👋 Worth trying incognito, a different browser, or disabling extensions to see if it changes 👀 You can also try logging in via [Pro platform](https://pro.kraken.com) instead. Feel free to DM us with the browser and OS you’re on and what you see after trying those, that’ll help us narrow it down 🤝 Harley 🐙

Vasjh

Nod. Some of the ideas sound good on paper (Midnight privacy "insert Blockchain lingo, make me feel smart/part of secret elite". Can be used for payrolls as example, some hidden some visible, temp visibility. Sounds cool. Even the distribution was a play on nostalgia (come mine some of it) Minotaur sounds good, Bitcoin defi sounds good (Bitcoin OS block blahblah changes everything, yet nothing). Waiting for Charles to pull the message he got from Trump. Simple lesson in the end, stop following these so called leaders, they don't have a solution either. Can play around with stocks/alts, but come home to metals and BTC.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; By 2025, the NFT market has drastically declined, forcing marketplaces like OpenSea and Magic Eden to adapt. OpenSea introduced cross-chain token trading via its decentralized exchange, OS2, and expanded its offerings to include various digital assets. Magic Eden diversified into token trading and launched new products like Packs and Dicey, focusing on 'crypto entertainment.' These adaptations aim to stabilize engagement and revenue, positioning the platforms as cultural liquidity hubs in a maturing digital asset ecosystem. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

Man_toy

1. Unless he boots to the os (if there is an OS on those drives) it will be a slave drive and this will just bring you to the booted OS and user's specific App data folder. 2. 15 years ago was probably Windows XP and AppData wouldn't have been a thing. It was 'Application Data' back then.

Teresa_Paterson

If it was truly wiped and you keep it updated / don’t install sketchy stuff, it’s probably fine. The key thing: never type your seed phrase on the computer, only on the Ledger device itself. That’s what keeps you safe even if the OS is a bit sus.

Charlotte_Millera

If it was truly wiped and you keep it updated / don’t install sketchy stuff, it’s probably fine. The key thing: never type your seed phrase on the computer, only on the Ledger device itself. That’s what keeps you safe even if the OS is a bit sus. P.S. You guys are frying OP in the commets, keep it up, I Love it

Hefty-Amoeba5707

 Satoshi Nakamoto wasn't a "tech head". That was Hal. Satoshi programmed Bitcoin on Windows. The same OS that known for scrapping data of you. He was the visionary, Hal was the tech nerd that believed in Satoshi's ideas.

DeepintheMangroves

Nova works on Android and many other OS .

doyzer9

Use a dedicated computer that has **never been connected to the internet** (and never will be again). Generate your keys offline using software like Electrum, etc... (download the software on a separate, online device and transfer via a clean USB drive). Sign transactions offline and broadcast them using a "watch-only" wallet on an online device. Mainstream cryptos only, not shit coins. **Security Practices:** Ensure the machine is completely air-gapped (Wi-Fi and physical network connections disabled permanently) and physically secure. Extra: **Encrypted USBs:** You can also use a USB drive with Tails OS, which includes pre-installed secure wallets and leaves no digital footprint on the host computer. **Multi-Signature (Multi-sig):** Use services like Safe (formerly Gnosis Safe) to require multiple approvals for a single transaction, ensuring no single compromised device can steal your funds. Needs multiple devices or persons to complete all transactions. **Shamir's Secret Sharing (SSS):** This is a cryptographic method that splits your seed into multiple "shares", requiring a predefined number (a *threshold*) to reconstruct the original. For example, a "2-of-3" scheme means you create three shares, but only need two of them to recover your funds. * **Pros:** Protects against single-point failure (one lost share doesn't ruin the backup) and stolen shares reveal no information below the threshold. * **Cons:** Not all wallets support the SLIP-39 standard needed for this, and the setup is more complex. **Use a Passphrase (25th Word):** This adds an extra, user-defined word to your standard 12 or 24-word seed phrase, creating a completely different wallet. * **Pros:** Even if someone finds your primary seed phrase, they cannot access your funds without the specific passphrase. It also allows for a "decoy" wallet with a small amount of funds to protect against physical coercion. * **Cons:** If you lose the passphrase, your funds are permanently lost, even if you have the 24 words.  IMO: encrypt your seed phrase and store on an encrypted usb drive with unforgetable complex passwords. MyPa55w0rd1sN0tMyVeh1c1eRe90rMy01dTe1eph0neN0+01-123 555 6789. Hint: **MPINMVROMOTN..................** Tw!nc1eTw!nc1e1!tt1eStarH0w!W0nderWhatY0uAreN0+01-123 555 6789. Hint: **TTLSHIWWYA.....................** Store ultra safely in at least two sperate locations (never online) Good Luck

Charming-Designer944

Yes a small secure part which guards part of the encryption key for unlocking the internal storage is closed source in Trezor 3 & 5. This part never touches your seed phrase or anything related to your crypto, only part of the key that guards it from tampering In Ledger the whole OS and all management of the seed phrase and key derivation is closed. With only the protocol adaptation layers for different blockchains being open.

Gunnarsgaming

Seeing a lot of unwelcoming comments to a few simple questions. Not sure why Bitcoiners can't just educate without harassing or thinking they're superior over ev[](https://alb.reddit.com/cr?za=uLnTEZSeZF3EQiULYpAiZRU_Rbi4pgBNTSVPebqnJsKm4Jvo7NpMrlw0S5JR0HVjVF1Mj74R8bNed7bR1mrrn9z2_gRuKpCARlm0p7km-QKD6uJToQGtIaJkVRHkLRadH848e8mv3-kmiDt3i9UNgSHlGyZjSmXsFjk2sL8My1hQK4b1lavRr9TZkyUfsrZ-Un0wepw40fqZ_s9HUQKc61sTfhL9TBxFA8osvQXUkVKxo6f3MsCvuMnFsnjeE8wY1U6xwqP2uMkrwhxnF0V8UnZn8OJZTZQJ7r-NnBBUjYkXfsCqt-LER-Ml4z5qzsvpd3iWb0u8FjDwKjkp1IGR2VokiRgTlGqQFDlpRiY_DDcN59rCE8FcCXwEh7xamE1y5W-NpIpio33jMr5VWPX2eJ6rhZl_FHfeewk_4Dk7SAd_PUZTmnn5RJOsY8sSZ5vW7A3QgBTCK5GyTkZWd5g9WAoof3CB3UkxOe2sc_OxTuQkCWOYcr9j8dTuuWK6aX6HA-RUjDyprYJuGF_YojXtM_NxFH_MyhxdPIoJIyanENTUQ7xVq91HtTnbNnZme-XDTSx1FTqRbaC-sYK6kujmZkP-r80alIGgdAmXvLOGHzBPV3K2iyeMI0tGssD1oaWM7traLTecNN2hOv5cwBlvVIvz7LG9EJBJCRmAKkXWaHjkA9El-g-4uKTHigRrYBgz5lz6Ar1ddDuwDORYOr_mJ_shN08-3KGE11y2WGW3D7ki7D2pc20u9IizMC-YVNOu04vQjAVm19GAr1nY8lBmoUteN1Ldom5x8AwZ4Vjca22ilU6NACXscOB1FQ-Zt22L8EG7OBfCpYpRuOuQFQ43cT-bnpKRjDbz_rjCySK0WEmLHaj0o_bYMbHIYbNyRBuhRUHr&zp=Y27EzcOwiHcii9JoWi6hgDvIrtj1Oly_l2hKLMot94OS8DYkZaJHuzI9gLEyO3zEQyglhDbeAs-vxN7d075DkrdTsVfwjhNtCYIytLJbSf-POwIOPwc8IieTNPK2eMMMHba3WN9i2JwhlzSR2u8tftipnkY2ACUvd_tJV-PHI7gvgk4dZG_aoFwmMAVqLmYTN8jHIiGJws4RIHeQTKPrpxZ2IYQleUSqWl5sXhEiM2sPVKr8oUg-36Cov1hHGKnGlrQ0XuokzCQM0iV8WOgEsc0B6Jw6QzVLr3Xczv_JRiABkXwLy48haHQcFLWtZSXkwF0lVvMZ06mAu0nStWH07IlC69hcAS65PQ4MtLsp8fOzRoT_WD4iZZhWM1Nv2Dr8ElJGg1X4O7e3MyhHxu15hyt6a4cndcAafd2mwF8X29t1G7YceGtHQcszjZqLHzX_VwlpMCj5bVUJj-rcWeVAVp5WIfYEJr2Tn8bUmnBGeMLn-Tl1x1rjBjCdVCyXL-P1rLuItKtmQwbXOwWldHUP7IPIxgfGO7grdkFdpa5MsGfSspxmT_gueLsUjZUXrtFoeaULhdUwmL8Iq8pCWMVEXVCz1pE6NxUvSthfmS21bCbs_QyhR5dbPblAeJzF13yGqIGNPnMv2QwYXxkHSYJpU2O-vQDpVdOoW1TVTkU0NpMJZwSHlOfi9ytnhMFTh5wAkrACJNcXE_fPp77sUZ6ULfTvduyAVoqQ7HaYnrE_bA9TXyAee-2-TEiEnMz8aS0fn_-n3FcFnTfLsigmU0G47aCDlJvG1UM3frhjynqR3DYGVuD0VFEb_cMqCPxI3HC5-l5E5O85TrQk5LH3rvFlfKrqRbDo66gj355oJ8BkVSA31TJekz2k5ORZvCArGZk8QED32oBivoyqp5e0iL7IzXXIF85K&a=52055&b=47317&be=47317&c=47167&d=42355&e=42322&ea=42355&eb=42322&f=42257&r=6&g=1&i=1765557515072&t=1765557674229&o=1&q=1&h=204&w=620&sh=800&sw=1280&va=1&vb=0&vc=0&vd=0&ve=0&vg=0&vh=0&vi=0&vs=0&vt=0&vu=0&vv=0&vx=0&vw=0&vq=0&vr=0&vy=0&xe=0&vz=0&xa=0&xf=0&xb=0&vf=0&xc=0)eryone else. In short, Bitcoin can be used globally and you can actually convert Bitcoin into any currency, not just the US Dollar. Since you live in the US, you only see US based products/third party converters, BTC<>USD. The point of Bitcoin is protect wealth from hyperinflation, countries that have paper money, or corrupt government officials that can outright confiscate money from anyone (think when cops pull someone over and they have their savings in a bag in the backseat, the cops will just take the bag of money/gold and deem it as a tool for paraphernalia). They'll drag and fight you in court for so long that the money might not even be worth going after. That is a worldwide issue. Check out this article as an example of abuse of power: [https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/08/18/civil-asset-forfeiture-explained/74802279007/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/08/18/civil-asset-forfeiture-explained/74802279007/)

GabFromMars

C’est possible, mais Umbrel n’est pas conçu pour le minage directement. Il est plus orienté vers la gestion de nœud Bitcoin et services associés. Pour miner, tu as besoin d’un **ASIC miner** (genre Antminer) et d’un **logiciel dédié** comme CGMiner ou Braiins OS. Tu peux utiliser Umbrel pour ton **nœud Bitcoin**, et en parallèle, miner avec un matériel spécialisé sur un autre système. Les deux ne se mélangent pas directement, mais tu peux gérer les deux séparément : Umbrel pour ton nœud et un ASIC pour le minage. **Points à garder à l’esprit** : * **Consommation énergétique** et **refroidissement** pour tes ASICs. * Investir dans du **matériel spécialisé** (coût élevé).

AlternativePaint6

You must have built your own CPU and OS and browser and router, yes? Or what, you trust the third party code and hardware for CPU and OS and browser and router? 🤣

Puzzleheaded_Pop2019

You are 100% right to call that out. Using the word 'Keys' in a Bitcoin sub was a massive unforced error on my part. To be crystal clear: I meant Infrastructure Credentials (API Keys, SSH Configs, Passwords), NOT Seed Phrases. NEVER paste a Seed Phrase or Private Key into a browser. I would report that post too. Regarding the 'IRC/Pastebin' comparison—you aren't wrong about the utility, but the Architecture is different. Pastebin/IRC: Writes data to a database on a hard drive. If the server is seized, the history exists. This Tool: Runs in volatile RAM. Logs are piped to /dev/null at the OS level. If the power is cut, the data doesn't just delete; it ceases to have ever existed. It’s a tool for metadata minimization, not wallet management. Thanks for keeping the standard high, seriously.

Tim-Rocket

If Binance goes down, and your BTC is controlled by them, (still in your Binance account) then yes. You'd loose it. *Not your keys not your coins*. It is that simple. Yes, cold storage is the safest way to go. Though, cold storage can be implemented in several ways. The most popular method (according to what I've seen in reddit/X so far) is to use a *hardware wallet*. But, cold storage really means *having control over a pair of keys which have never been on a device connected to the internet*. This can be achieved by generating your keys on an offline computer with a recently installed OS, and formatting/reinstalling the OS it before it ever connects to the internet again. If you ever want to use that address you can use an *air gap wallet* or, generating a new pair of keys, offline, and send whatever you did not spend to the newly created address. If you know the basics of how BTC works, you wouldn't need to ask these questions. Please DYOR, verify, this is what this tech is about. I've highlighted in italic the things I consider most important to get a basic understanding as a user. GL.

MinimalGravitas

> I think privacy and compliance is going to be a huge factor in the choice Why do you think this? What kinds of privacy and/or compliance do you believe would be possible on a private L1 vs an L2? One of the biggest accountancy institutions in the world (EY) maintain the OS resources for Nightfall, a ZK based protocol designed and built specifically for financial institutions who want a 'plug-and-play' solution for privacy on rollups they deploy to Ethereum. https://www.ey.com/en_gl/newsroom/2025/04/ey-upgrades-nightfall-a-zero-knowledge-roll-up-enabling-private-transactions-on-the-ethereum-blockchain As far as regulatory compliance, are you aware of Project Guardian, the overarching group of which [Deutsche Bank's L2 (Memento)](https://gbaglobal.org/blog/2025/01/15/deutsche-bank-enters-l2-with-zksync-is-your-institution-ready-yet/) and a range of other Ethereum projects by [BNY](https://www.bny.com/corporate/global/en/about-us/newsroom/press-release/bny-expands-digital-asset-platform-with-launch-of-innovative-on-chain-offering.html), [Citi](https://www.lfdecentralizedtrust.org/case-studies/citi-transforms-transaction-banking-services-with-besu), [DBS](https://www.dbs.com/newsroom/DBS_expands_blockchain_capabilities_by_tokenising_and_distributing_structured_notes), [Fidelity](https://www.coindesk.com/business/2025/03/22/fidelity-files-for-onchain-u-s-treasury-fund-joining-the-asset-tokenization-race), [J.P. Morgan](https://archive.fo/IR99q) etc? As well as these financial services companies, there are also plenty of governmental regulators involved such as the Monetary Authority of Singapore (who head the project), the UK's Financial Conduct Authority, Japan's Financial Services Agency, the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank... https://www.mas.gov.sg/-/media/mas-media-library/news/media-releases/2024/annex-a--list-of-participants-in-project-guardian-industry-group.pdf So really I'm not sure there is a reality based argument that regulatory compliance or privacy requirements favours private L1s over Ethereum based L2s. Are there any other reasons you can think of that an entity could have for building and running their own L1 chain rather than tapping into the Ethereum ecosystem?

Grouchy_Ad_937

Something that often gets overlooked in these discussions is time. Not security theory, not crypto primitive, just the practical question of whether any setup you build today will even be usable 20+ years from now. Most of the multisig guides assume you’ll be around to maintain it, update software, migrate hardware wallets, and keep the whole stack alive. But if you fast-forward a couple decades: The wallet software you used might not run on anything. The hardware wallets might be dead, discontinued, or unsupported. USB might not exist in its current form. Derivation paths and descriptor formats may evolve. Operating systems might not run unsigned binaries. The companion tools you relied on could be gone. Even if everything is open source, that doesn’t guarantee a non-technical heir can compile ancient code, find the right forks, or even run it on modern hardware. That’s why long-term setups end up being more about future interpretability than pure cryptography. Whatever workflow you use has to be something that an ordinary person can execute decades later without depending on fragile technical assumptions. Multisig is great for redundancy, but the surrounding ecosystem isn’t designed for deep time. If you’re thinking about long-term family inheritance, you’re right to be worried about whether today’s tools will actually survive the next couple hardware and OS cycles. Tech moves fast so you can't fire and forget no matter what the solution, It has to be maintained by you or by someone else.

GadJedi

Umm no actually. As soon as you said "Wrong, chatgpt.  You can get the x pub when you generate your seed offline." I admitted I was wrong straight away when I said "Ok you’re right, except I didn’t use ChatGPT. Any time someone is wrong you just assume they used ChatGPT?" The rest is true. Most users are not going to know it's possible to do that. Also, your recommendation is just plain terrible. Yes, it is possible, but it's just not good practice. It's not a convenient or safe way to generate a seed, get an xpub, and get addresses. To guarantee any safety, you would have to erase the computer immediately after without going back online and reinstall the OS and apps. That's a lot of trouble to go through. Without doing that it's possible there could be malware on the computer, so when going back online there's a risk of the seed leaking. It's just not a good method. Just because something can be done doesn't mean it's a good idea. Plus, if the user wants to access their bitcoin later, they have to wait until they can get a hardware wallet to do so. Might as well get the hardware wallet now (which they will eventually need anyway) so it is already available, and have the convenience and safety of doing it on a device that is guaranteed to not have internet access so the private key is secure. So, I may have been wrong about your method (and thank you for correcting me), but the rest of what I said was good practice. Maybe you belong over on [r/BitcoinBeginners](https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinBeginners/) so you can learn what good recommendations are. Good night, troll.

gigasawblade

Why? I would understand booting into some OS for data recovery to be sure that nothing accidentally writes there, but if you use VM then your host machine has access to the same drive as well

Givefreehugs

Cool news from LitVM and Bit_OS today on building a massive Omnichain and bridges between Bitcoin, Eth, Cardano, Litecoin all with Web 3 abilities using polygon. It’s a huge but very cool project.

DTV_PCB

This is DTV Electronics here. The likelihood is that you purchased the device from us, probably our website or a local Amazon site. I can categorically say that we do not ask for any sort of credit-card information, for any reason. I have no idea what is going on here, but as a few people commented, you probably have some sort of malware which is redirecting you elsewhere when configuring the device? All our devices are built to bitaxe official spec on github, and we actually work closely with 'wantclue', the main Bitaxe repo maintainer for the project, so only official firmware is used and loaded on the device (which of course you can reflash or update using either the web flasher tool and a usb-c cable or updating on the web interface). I am puzzled to what is going on here but you should really check your OS for malware because you should not be doing anything bitcoin (or financial related) on that machine. Thank you, DTV

Crappyhodler

if OS runs on SD card, maybe it's the card failing

crunchyeyeball

Which OS are you running (Win10, Win11, Mac, Linux)? If Windows, open task manager and check if Exodus is actually running and just hidden from view. If that's the case, try right-clicking the process in task manager and choosing "maximize" - I've seen similar symptoms with other apps where the app window itself can seem to disappear for some reason, and this often fixes it.

KirbysaBAMF

It does take about a week, I know on Umbrel OS you can increase resources on the device it's running on to speed things up, but it does take forever!

Ethicles

Save yourself some time and just get a node (pi or Umbrel home). I would recommend 2 TB SSD if you are going to use Umbrel OS. The BTC blockchain is already 800 GB so you will have to upgrade soon anyway. Also the node is going to look a lot cleaner in a nice smaller form factor. I’m running one in a raspberry pi 4 with 2 TB SSD in an argon case. Good luck!

wh977oqej9

Yes, programing your own on the offline PC, running your own OS; then rolling a dice to obtain seed phrase :-))

riscten

Coldcard Q is pretty much top of the line. But do keep in mind that all you need for the ultimate security is a piece of steel to stamp your keys on and an airgapped laptop running a clean OS. Use fair dice as a source of entropy, setup your wallet as 2-of-3 multisig, geographically distribute your mnemonics, and you have a bulletproof setup that rivals what the largest exchanges use. And remember that you don't need two hardware wallets to maintain two Bitcoin wallets. It's all about the mnemonics backups. You can use a single hardware wallet to manage an infinity of wallets, each with their own metal-stamped backup.

Scionic94

Which version are you running? Both OS and Core...

akialter17

I studied CS so Im bias but yes it's the most interesting "invention" I learned, among others like OS, compilers, CompArch. It combines from the basic of discrete math (cryptography), to the advanced of distributed system

IM-PT24

Nice. I have a old Windows mini PC where I will run Bitcoin Knot. Still thinking about using Windows or any type of Linux OS. I just have to get a 2TB HDD USB drive. After the first sync it should be fast enough. How much was the mini PC, BTW?

KlearCat

> Except patching security breaches in centralized systems like a bank is way faster than trying to patch a decentralized system like bitcoin. No it's not. Look at a regular sized corporation just trying to update their OS to the next version. It can cost 8 figures in consulting/tech support and literally take a years to do.

Street_Outside_7228

Don’t store raw crypto private keys (seed phrases / raw private keys controlling funds) in SafeNotes or any general-purpose note app on a phone if you value those funds. You can store lower-value secrets there with strong mitigations, but private keys/seed phrases deserve hardware-backed storage (hardware wallet / secure element) or a dedicated wallet with audited key management.  Why — quick threat rundown • Mobile note apps (even “encrypted” ones) rely on symmetric encryption derived from a passphrase. If the KDF, AES mode, IV/tag handling, or backup format are implemented incorrectly, ciphertext can be weakened or integrity lost. I could not verify the exact KDF & AES-mode from the repo page alone. That’s a critical implementation detail.  • Even correctly-implemented local encryption can be defeated if the device is rooted, infected with malware, or if backups are stored unencrypted in cloud storage. SafeNotes explicitly warns features can’t be guaranteed on rooted devices and there are open issues suggesting backup encryption concerns. That increases risk for keys.  • Phone memory, clipboard, screenshots, Android/iOS backups, ADB access, or poorly-protected export files are all common leakage vectors for secrets stored in apps. An attacker with device access or a malicious app can often escalate to extract key material unless the app uses hardware-backed key stores and zeroes memory properly. Specific things I found (relevant to key storage) • Project claims AES-256, local storage only, and automated encrypted backup. Those are good signals, but claims ≠ proof — the security depends on how keys are derived, which cipher mode is used (AEAD like AES-GCM vs. CBC+HMAC), and whether backups are actually end-to-end encrypted.  • There are issues on the repo regarding backups and decryption (e.g., “Backup Date Not Encrypted”, “Decryption of json-backup”). That suggests backup handling and encryption of exported files is an active pain point. I’d treat backups as suspect until confirmed otherwise.  If you must store keys in SafeNotes (how to reduce risk) If you absolutely must keep a private key on the phone in SafeNotes, apply all of the following — missing any one substantially raises risk: 1. Use a very long, high-entropy passphrase (passphrase ≫ password). No dictionary words. Treat it like a seed. (If an attacker brute-forces your passphrase, the app encryption collapses.)  2. Confirm the app uses a strong KDF (Argon2 or PBKDF2 with ≥100k iterations for PBKDF2-SHA256) and per-note salt. If not, don’t store keys. (I couldn’t confirm the KDF/iterations from the public repo pages — you should check the code.)  3. Ensure the app uses AEAD (AES-GCM or ChaCha20-Poly1305) for encryption so ciphertext integrity is enforced (no silent tampering). If it uses AES-CBC, verify an HMAC is applied correctly. (Again: confirm in code.)  4. Disable cloud backups of the app data and do not allow automatic cloud sync of backups (unless the backup file itself is E2EE with the same passphrase). Exported JSON/backup files must be encrypted with the passphrase-derived key and authenticated. If the app exports plaintext JSON or a backup that’s not protected by the passphrase, treat it as plaintext. (Repo issues suggest this area needs checking.)  5. Enable biometric/OS-protected keystore wrapping if the app supports it: keep derived keys wrapped by Android Keystore / iOS Keychain (hardware-backed) rather than writing them to plaintext secure storage. Verify the code uses flutter_secure_storage or platform keystore correctly.  6. Don’t copy seed phrases to clipboard or screenshots. Use the app’s secure display only. Revoke clipboard content immediately. 7. If you remove the key later, overwrite the note and backups and rotate passphrases. On many phones, secure deletion is not guaranteed — assume recovery is possible unless device encrypts at disk level and key is destroyed. 8. Keep device firmware and OS patched. No amount of good app crypto helps a rooted/compromised device. Better alternatives (ranked) 1. Hardware wallet (Ledger, Trezor, or equivalent) — best for real funds. Keys never leave secure element. 2. Dedicated, audited mobile wallet that stores keys in the hardware-backed keystore and is designed for private key security (use audited apps with reproducible builds). 3. If you must use a note app: use it only for low-value secrets and apply all mitigations listed above.

mell1suga

I have a Trezor Safe 3. Connected to linux for initial setup, the rest is just phone app for check and stuff, nothing much. Linux can also be on a live environment (a whioe functional OS in a thumb drive) just in case you're really suspicious of your system being compromized. Do NOT save your keys in your devices plainly. At least encrypt it. It's a chain of 12/20/24 words with either one set or a few sets. Yes that's your password. Write it down and keep it safe.

RetiredAvocado

Won't trust a special purpose secure device but will trust the whole PC or phone OS and ALL the malware on it. K. The "precautions" and "safer alternative" is buy a Trezor and learn how to use it.

EnvironmentalLaw4056

You sound like you just bought in and dont really understand. Our money is broken and its killing society. Bitcoin is the best solution have come up with to fix it. This is about far more than “if it becomes a thing”. Its already a thing. Start here: https://youtu.be/YtFOxNbmD38?si=fQ8OS5TY28Hzcn_2

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DreamingTooLong

I used coinomi software wallet from 2016-2018 and I trust them with as much as I would trust a hardware wallet If you want to build a BTC cold wall for free try Tails OS on a USB Drive. It has electrum what is one of the oldest most reliable bitcoin wallets ever. There should be a QR code for a watch only wallet Install electrum on an android device and choose the option to restore wallet from watch only. You will have private keys that are completely off-line just like a hardware wallet. You also have a balance online that will show a live value of your current balance.

50EAGLE

I am very confident in my projects , so I am not worried about this at all. But one project I am invested in particular just had a signed a 1.1 billion dollar minting deal in USA, a bigger contract coming in Australia and potentially a crazy deal potentially in the works with China. What I am most excited about is they’re also releasing a OS marketplace that allows for companies to choose from a wide selection blueprints/templates that are suited to their needs for authentication / auditing purposes amongst other things. Won’t shill, but just an example if you understand what you’re invested in and hold a clear conviction and not just wen lamboing it. Just turn off the news, relax and go about your day.

OffThread

That OS no longer has security updates and can hacked into if connected to the internet. For the family member that knows the most about crypto, you're taking some massive risks with it.

riscten

Laptop running Windows. Laptop running Linux. Android phone running AOSP or any of its non-google variants. I get what you're trying to do, but right now I don't think many people see the reliance on Android/iOS as an issue. Your hardware wallet is an interesting novelty, but I would never even consider touching it considering neither the hardware nor the software are open source. That in itself is so much worse than relying on an OS made by a large corporation.

Jaded-String-6111

Electrum is open source and used for over a decade now. It is the best one. Bonus points if you use it within tails OS.

RetiredAvocado

The "best" is subjective. Some people like "pretty looking" as the best and go to closed source wallets like Exodus. Others prefer flexibility, features, and of course open source to limit risk of shenanigans in the wallet. You did not specify mobile or desktop. Electrum and Sparrow are good on desktop. Blockstream wallet, Envoy, Mycelium, and lightning wallets like Phoenix, Muun, are pretty good for Android OS. There are security considerations of course like malware stealing your keys.

VisiblePlatform6704

This sounds to me like MicroKernel vs macrokernel architecture. Or MiniX vs Linux . Or OS/2, System6 vs Windowd 3.11 Sure, you can take 10 years to build the perfect technology.  But by that time, all the adoption and network effects will be gone.  Sorry, but right now all of us are happy actually using the imperfect ETH and L2s tondo actual stuff.

CapitalIncome845

Not all tablets use the same OS. Be a bit more specific. Android? iOS? WebOS? Nokia?

ShortCable1833

If you're using Bitcoin primarily for savings, all you need is a watch-only (cold) wallet for everyday purposes. This type of wallet lets you check your balance and receive deposits, but since it can’t be used to spend Bitcoin, it's safe to keep on your phone or any other online device. As for your private key—whether it’s your 12/24-word seed phrase, your “real” wallet, or whatever you call the key used to sign transactions—it’s best to keep that offline, especially if you don’t plan to spend Bitcoin regularly. What I personally do (though there are many secure methods) is use Tails OS on a USB stick with persistent storage. Tails comes with Electrum preinstalled, and the persistent storage is encrypted, making it a good environment for storing your private key and signing transactions securely. Just remember: USB drives aren’t bulletproof for long-term storage, so it’s crucial to back up your key in a separate secure physical location.

xirvin

Cold Card is totally offline, entirely disconnected from the internet, you just create the transaction in phone and used nfc to transfer/ sign transactions with the coldcard. I would buy the mk4 which is 178 bucks. you can export the addresses to bluewallet or nunchuck so you can monitor your balance (no need for your seed phrase there) If you are strapped for money but have a good knowledge of software you can create a bootable usb with tails and place your keys encrypted in the usb as persistent memory. Tails comes with electrum which is the only wallet you need. Making it bootable and tails means your OS will be the most secure and people wont be able to decrypt it if they dont have a password

DocSneida

This is a completely normal Bitaxe Gamma 601. Only the casing is different. Flash the current Axe OS via USB and you're good to go.

Pasukaru0

First off I find it interesting of you calling me out for dodging issues when I clearly did nit, while at the same time you conveniently ignore my questions and responses to you, like: > Explain what you mean by debit card > What is that based on? ... or my proof that showed how easy it is to use bitcoin, even here through reddit. You ignored that whole section now. > Easily bannable off the asset store/OS's. Then sideload it. You can ban it, doesn't mean you can stop it. Or use other means Apps are not the only solution. The important part is having access to the network, how you do that is up to you. > Source? It's not in your link. What % of transactions with US currency are for crime? I didn't look up one, that's why I didn't state a number. I do believe it 3.5% though, compared to bitcoins 0.08%. Funny how you demand a source while you have provided not a single one for any of your claims so far If you really care you can find it yourself. I am not your workhorse. The amount of Brandolini tactics you apply in your comments is absurd. > Just because Steak n' Shake ... for advertising purposes That was just an example. There are many shops that accept bitcoin already https://btcmap.org/. Also why does the reason matter? I can only repeat myself: Bitcoin is an open network. If somebody wants to use it, they can. Does not matter for what reason, nobody care. Nobidy could stop you from doing so, short of physically locking you up. Stake and shake obviously do want to use it. > Okay, let me clarify what I meant; crypto is for crime and it will never be for anything else. I already provided my points against that with the crypto crime report. And also, every single shop out there accepting bitcoin, people using it as savings account (me included), BTC ETFs, etc, are all uses of bitcoin. What is your justification for "it will never be for anything else" given the fact it already is being used for many other things. > a shadow currency to replace or even augment the USD Once again a strawman against a claim I never made. But now that you opened this can of worms yourself, why do you think the US Government established a strategic bitcoin reserve recently? Is not that, at least in part, an augmentation of the USD? > "This is good for bitcoin." Aren't we 10 years into "Crypto will take over the world in 5 years!" You are quoting more things I did not say. I don't agree with the second statement and for the first I'm not sure what you are referring to. PS: You keep talking about crypto and you may have noticed that my replies are always focused on bitcoin. Altcoins are off topic in this sub so if you want to discuss those you will have to find a different place.

lonsfury

can i just store in on a storage HDD? I have an SSD for my OS, and then I have a HDD with files, games, movies photos bla bla bla can I just store it on the HDD somehow? it doesnt need an OS on it right...

wedimo

man this post hit me hard. in 2022 i got cleaned out of like $14k. i was using MetaMask on chrome with like 4 random extensions installed, didn’t even think about it. woke up one morning, opened the wallet, and everything was zero. transactions showed like 3am, some random address i never seen. i still remember that sinking feeling in my stomach. tried to track it, contact support, all that — nothing. gone. after that i went full-on security freak mode. reinstalled OS, separate browser for crypto, two phones, cold storage, the works. these days i keep small spending funds in IronWallet on a clean android (no google login, no random apps). it’s just simple, no browser, no staking ads, no junk. for the rest i use ledger + tonkeeper + rabby. paranoid? yeah probably. but i haven’t lost a cent since.

riscten

>the machine always makes a local copy of the g-code and the OS is closed source so idk what goes on there That's what people don't seem to understand. Even if it's open source, are you really going to sift through [all of this](https://github.com/Klipper3d/klipper/tree/master/klippy) just to make sure that nothing unexpected is going on, and check the diffs on every update? 3D printers software is not written for data privacy, nobody's will blink an eye if gcode is cached and makes the data retrievable remotely.

SnowImportant4517

I witnessed horror when my brother lost his seed when water spilled on the paper it was on, I'm about to go self custody and Im looking at ways to store the seed safely from the elements, my 3D printer forces me to upload to the cloud if I want to use wifi, I can try to use it air-gapped with a pendrive but the machine always makes a local copy of the g-code and the OS is closed source so idk what goes on there, though I still think it's a good idea to 3d print the seed, maybe use an old printer with no internet and firmware that you trust.

gnomer-shrimpson

Q-day? Is a ways away no OS or program on the planet runs as quantum and when they transpile binary to qubits its slower. Remember when you take the cat out of the quantum box its no longer in a quantum state. Computers have the same problem will take a while to solve.

OkWhereas4898

B4OS es una excelente oportunidad para empezar a contribuir en proyectos de Bitcoin FOSS

Ok_Muscle_2819

Fala galera,  Agradeco de coração todos os comentarios e conselhos que voces disseram!! Fiquei surpreendido! Só quero 2 min de voces. Mas vamos la, vou ser mais clado o meu ponto de vista e voces passam a otica de voces beleza!? Eu prentendo investir os 10k euros no bear market de 2026 ( supostamento)  ou quando o BTC cair >50%, e comecei o DCA essa semana com 50€/semana.  *O valor do empréstimo eu ja o pago a anos ( comprei uma mt 07 ) e vou vende-la quitar o credito automovel e fazer um novo empréstimo pessoal de 10k * NAO PRETENDO VENDER OS BTC!  Acredito mt na fala e argumentos do 38tao, e estou tentsndo sair da classe baixa para a classe media alta daqui anos, acredito que o BTC valerá muitos milhoes 25/20 anos e com isso estou me preparando tanto profissionalmente ( estudando programação e ir trabalhar para suica quando sair a nacionalidade creio que em 1 ano), oico e leio muito olavo de carvalho.. enfim , acredito plenamente que o BTC sera oprtunidade unica de mudança de vida. Essa é a minha visao, se puderem dar a vossa opniao vai ajudar demais!! Minha honra!

crunchyeyeball

Yes, you were scammed. The domain was anonymously registered just a couple of months ago, and the website has more red flags than I can be bothered to list. In addition to whatever money you gave them, you also gave them everything they need to steal your identity, so they may also be taking out loans in your name. You also gave them direct access to your PC, so they may also have installed malware and additional remote access tools. In short, this is a bit of a mess. In your position, I would change *every* password, and reinstall the entire OS on that PC. I would also ask the credit card company / bank to flag my accounts as a "fraud risk" - I was a victim of identity theft years ago, after a theft of *physical* mail. Flagging your account just means they'll require extra checks before giving out a loan or CC in your name. In future, stick to the trusted platforms listed in the sidebar here or over on /r/BitcoinBeginners or you'll just get scammed again. Also, ignore DMs. Anyone offering to help with recovery is yet another scammer. Any advice they won't share publicly where it's open to scrutiny is bad advice.

jfitie

Run Tails OS live from a USB drive, import private key into Electrum, use the sign message option

DreamingTooLong

It’s easy to generate paper wallets using built-in electrum inside off-line Tails OS You don’t have to worry about paper wallets getting permanently lost when you have a backup recovery phrase for all paper wallets.

whatwilly0ubuild

You ran malware that stole your seed phrases or private keys from your computer. Once malware has access to your system it can read anything stored locally including wallet data, browser extensions, and clipboard contents. Browser-based wallets with 2FA don't solve this problem. If the malware is on your machine it can intercept transactions before they even get to the 2FA step or just steal your keys directly from local storage. Trust Wallet running on an infected computer is just as vulnerable as Phantom or MetaMask. The real answer is hardware wallets like Ledger or Trezor. Your private keys never leave the device so even if your computer is completely compromised the malware can't access them. You sign transactions on the hardware wallet itself and only the signed transaction goes to your computer. Our clients who handle serious crypto learned this after similar incidents, there's no software-only solution that protects against malware on your machine. For smaller amounts you can use mobile wallets on a phone that's never had sketchy apps installed and keep it separate from your main phone. Mobile OS sandboxing provides some protection but it's still way riskier than hardware. The protection methods are pretty simple but people skip them because they're inconvenient. Never download and run random programs especially anything related to crypto or gaming. Don't keep seed phrases in text files, password managers, or anywhere digital. Use dedicated hardware wallets for anything you can't afford to lose. Keep a clean machine just for crypto that you never use for downloads or browsing sketchy sites. Your funds are gone and there's no way to recover them. The transaction is irreversible and whoever stole them has already moved the crypto through mixers. File a police report if the amount is significant but realistically nothing will come of it. Going forward treat any computer you've used for regular browsing as compromised for crypto purposes. Get a hardware wallet, set it up on a clean machine or use the mobile app, and never enter your seed phrase on a computer again.