OS

kingcakeaholic

This is really important advice. I’d never again use a paper wallet generator because so many are scams. Even if it’s not, you’d need to do this 100% offline on a fresh OS install along with ensuring the printer doesn’t store the image on a HDD.

na3than

Regardless of the OS, don't put private keys on an online computer.

AutoModerator

Post is by: International-Eye358 and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1sl5v0i/did_anyone_else_notice_the_kimchi_thing_around/ Not sure if I’m overthinking this, but something caught my attention recently and I wanted to sanity check it with others here. When Dogecoin launched the TDOG ETF, they had a Shiba Inu ring the Nasdaq bell. Apparently the dog’s name was kimchi. After that, I started seeing a ton of “Kimchi” coins popping up across different chains (as expected), but most of them looked like the usual low-effort narrative plays. What stood out though was that one of them launched on **Anoncoin**, which I’ve seen mentioned a few times as being connected to the Doge OS ecosystem (still trying to fully understand that side of things). A couple of things I found interesting: * It’s positioned around Doge OS (which seems to be getting more attention lately and supposedly going live really soon) * Anoncoin keeps coming up as a launchpad tied to that ecosystem * The contract address apparently ends in “DOGE” (not sure if coincidence or intentional, but interesting either that kimchi's on other chains won\`t have this) At the same time, there’s all this talk about: * X Money * Native ticker integrations on X * Increasing overlap between the Doge and X communities - Anoncoin\`s platform specially has deep integration with X Feels like a lot of things are happening in parallel. I’m not saying this is “the one” or anything like that, just trying to understand if there’s actually a deeper narrative forming here, or if this is just another case of the market overfitting a story after the fact. Curious if anyone else has looked into this or has a better read on: 1. Whether Doge OS / Anoncoin is actually meaningful infra 2. If any of these “Kimchi” coins have real traction vs just noise 3. Whether the timing of all this is actually relevant or just coincidence Would be good to hear some grounded takes before I go further down the rabbit hole. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

TheresNoSecondBest

Moving from fiat OS to Bitcoin OS felt like moving from Windows to Linux. Being open source and open to everyone, while the user is also in charge... Yes, the majority of people are fiat/Windows diehards, being scared of the switch. But the longer Bitcoin/Linux exists, the stronger it gets. Morpheus about the diehards: "That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."

Coin-Controversy

\> This is the same as someone saying "I'm not Satoshi" No. He genuinely did not like Bitcoin's design, did you even look at his Twitter account? He wanted something completely different. Szabo is Satoshi btw. You should check out [my article](https://coincontroversy.com/nick-szabo-the-real-satoshi-nakamoto-the-definitive-case-study/). I found stunning things that others missed. \> of course posting a few anti-bitcoin public posts on social media would be something you would think about doing. Utter nonsense. Adam Back and Nick Szabo are significantly stronger candidates and they love Bitcoin to this day... \> It's not evidence at all. It is. But, if you want me to go further... previous studies showed his writing style was different than Satoshi's, and... Satoshi made a forum post \*after\* his death. There were no signs of a hack either... \> And again, someone so obsessed with privacy such as Len, this is totally in his wheel house. It absolutely is evidence. Len's chosen OS for programming was MacOS. Satoshi's chosen OS for programming.. was windows!

Zestyclose_Cheek527

Because I used electrum on an amnesiac os so the wallet was never saved in device, only stored in ram. Lookup tails OS, I’m saying the only recovery options after shutdown was through the seed

Helper_kev

Use Seed Recovery Tools: There are reputable open-source tools like BTCRecover (available on GitHub). You can input the 11 known words and a "best guess" or a list of possibilities for the 12th word, and it will brute-force the correct combination in seconds. Stay Offline: If using recovery tools, always run them on an air-gapped or offline machine (like the Tails OS mentioned in the post) to ensure the seed is never exposed to the internet.

Helper_kev

Use Seed Recovery Tools: There are reputable open-source tools like BTCRecover (available on GitHub). You can input the 11 known words and a "best guess" or a list of possibilities for the 12th word, and it will brute-force the correct combination in seconds. Stay Offline: If using recovery tools, always run them on an air-gapped or offline machine (like the Tails OS mentioned in the post) to ensure the seed is never exposed to the internet.

riscten

Even there, there might still be some ways for data to be exfiltrated. For instance, a lot of phones maintain BLE active even in airplane mode. This is often done for "Find My" functionality. With some phones, if you turn on airplane mode, then activate wifi or BT, then deactivate airplane mode and reactivate it, the OS remembers that you wanted wifi/bt and keeps it active, especially considering that modern airlines encourage you to get on the onboard wifi. This is the behavior on the latest iOS and the stock ROMs running on Pixel and Galaxy S phones. Those don't even disable BT in airplane mode to ensure wireless earbuds don't disconnect while an audio stream is ongoing. Airplane mode basically only guarantees cellular to be deactivated, because that's the part that's regulated: no cellular on airplanes. The rest is a coin toss. Plus you never know what kind of backdoor is on a phone. And there are bugs of course. Definitely not a reliable way to airgap. Honestly even an airgapped ROM isn't that safe as you'd need to audit the release to ensure that all radio drivers are absent. Removing the hardware is the only reliable way to ensure that nothing gets out. Still, if you believe airplane mode is enough for the setup you propose, you should at least edit your post to add those steps.

tengoCojonesDeAcero

Essentialy, what you want is to get a USB stick, and flash Hirens Boot CD on it. Then connect your hard drive to a computer, and the USB stick, and then boot using the usb stick. It will load the Hirens Boot OS with software, that can bypass Microsoft account login.

ReallyOrdinaryMan

It sucks mate, I hope amount was not big. Can you share more information about the situation, did you directly type the seed to pc? Which website did you download the wallet from, can you copy the link from your browser history? If you wanna use any crypto wallet again: - clean install OS before doing anything related to your seed or private key. - Also you can send offline transaction with some wallets (including electrum), meaning your seed-key never could obtained by hackers if you format your OS before and after the handling. - never store your keys online, or on pc-phone. - check the website adress multiple times before doing anything crypto related. Phising is so common, and some of them so hard to catch.

threeseed

As someone who worked at a bank this is ignorant nonsense. a) Central ledger is not publicly facing, are often very old systems e.g. think IBM mainframes and do not rely on encryption for security. You could already crack the encryption on accounts if you had access. b) Web site and customer systems which the public interacts relies almost entirely on browser and OS security i.e. SSL, WebAuthn, Mobile push MFA. And so you're betting on Apple, Google and Microsoft doing *nothing* about the quantum threat. Which given that Google literally raised the issue seems ridiculous.

MonixHardwareWallets

Rough situation. For anyone reading: never import old seeds on an everyday computer. Use a clean live-boot OS at minimum.

TheAudacityofHopium

DYOR. I don't know everything. I used to run a full node. I stopped because I was using an OS that shut down automatically frequently haha. If you want advice, I would say seek help in the bitcoin beginners subreddit. I never did anything with pruned nodes, so I could be totally wrong.

Effective-Ad5644

but then you need to trust the OS on the wallet to actually make it random

xpresstuning

The best software wallet is 100% open-source and Bitcoin-only. Both of which Exodus is not. Bluewallet is the absolute best, because alongside being 100% open-source, Bitcoin-only and with a decade long track record of secure storage, it provides the added option of storage encryption enabled via a password (preferably strong) to encrypt the wallet data on your phone. Meaning alongside OS encryption, you've got Bluewallet's encryption. No other software wallet does that. Making it the absolute best, by a very wide margin.

BasedSpades

Where sparrow? Electrum? Tails OS?

AMY_Foundation

Just to set the record straight, Passport Prime comes standard as Bitcoin only, however we built the OS from scratch in-house, each app does not and cannot communicate with another app. If you want Bitcoin only then it stays bitcoin only; the user gets to decide what they put on there. If you have no desire to have anything other than the bitcoin apps that will be built, then that is all your Passport Prime will be. You can read more here about the security architech how that works. [https://foundation.xyz/2024/12/building-keyos/](https://foundation.xyz/2024/12/building-keyos/)

HedgehogGlad9505

A question regarding the security model: if it all happens in my browser, what prevents me from hacking the environment or even the code itself to produce fake proof? E.g. Can I inject fake SSL vertificates in the OS, then redirect the blockchain retrival request to my raspberry pi, and mislead the code?

kansaludit

One thing most people overlook: your wallet is only as secure as the device it's on. Doesn't matter if you have a hardware wallet if your computer has malware logging your keystrokes when you enter your PIN. Use a clean machine for crypto, keep your OS updated, and never install browser extensions from unverified sources. I've seen more people lose funds to compromised browsers than to actual blockchain exploits.

Ok-Onion-5073

With $SUS rooted in Doge culture and backed by the official Doge OS launchpad, I use Coindepo to securely track my holdings and stake effortlessly. Real community, real growth, no hype, just the way crypto should be.

waldito

It's not a Cold Wallet, but I love Tails with Persistent Storage. It has Electrum preinstalled, an auto-updating OS if needed, and supports dual monitors out of the box. It's secure enough for my paranoia, and if I need to trust something, I would trust Tails.

Luf7swiph

The advantage of bare metal is in my opinion mainly a security advantage and entry barrier for node owners. Performance on bare metal theoretically is better but this will only be a constant percentage performance gain (so it's maybe 10% faster and ONLY IF they are able to manage memory and network better than any OS) - does this really matter? The downside is running directly on UEFI bios (that has bugs and network driver stability depends on uefi drivers). Furthermore such benchmarks are always synthetic in it's way and completely useless in my opinion. All that matters is, if a chain is fast enough to do what it needs to do. Even if it's 'only' 100k transfers per second it's more than enough for every transfer use case. They do several transfers with one transaction. Their 'blocks' are limited to 1024 transactions currently and one block is produced every second in average. So this should be enough for the near future too. Speed is important but only to some degree. Much more important than benchmark speed are the other features in my opinion (consensus model, network stability, smart contracts, oracles, ...).

rankinrez

lol people using crypto on an iphone with way out of date OS.

IAccidentallyCame

Probably best to do it on a laptop that's definitely clean of crap and has all security updates done to the OS, browsers, etc.

EhKurz100

Well, you could just encrypt the seed before printing (e.g. on a live Linux OS booted from USB) or add a passphrase that you store somewhere else.

TheresNoSecondBest

Installing a new OS into a computer is IMHO more difficult than making Krux.

kingo86

They'll be much the same. Your operational security will be a bigger factor. That said, I do think Mac OS provides better patterns to stay secure easily. Mostly because it's a smaller target for malware. By "manage your cold storage" do you mean to say you will be using a hardware wallet? As long as you check addresses and signatures before sending, most hardware wallets will protect you from being hacked - even if your machine is compromised by malware.

hnizdja2

Thanks, really appreciate the thoughtful feedback! API key permissions - 100% agree. The app actually guides users during setup to create keys with trade-only permissions, no withdrawals. Limiting the blast radius even in a worst-case scenario is key. Movin coins out on your own schedule is the way to go. Exchanges: We currently support Coinmate, Binance, Kraken, KuCoin, Bitfinex, Huobi, and Coinbase. Coinmate and Binance are fully tested in production. The others are in experimental mode - they're implemented and should work, but we'd love for people to help verify them. The app has a built-in sandbox mode, and for exchanges that support sandbox/testnet accounts, we use those for testing. If anyone wants to try out one of the experimental exchanges, that'd be a huge help - feedback and bug reports are very welcome. Background task killing - this is honestly the hardest part on Android and we've thrown everything at it: \- WorkManager as the baseline scheduler (15-min minimum interval, Android's own restriction) \- Foreground Service with a persistent notification so the OS treats the process as user-visible \- Battery optimization exemption to survive Doze mode \- Boot receiver to restart DCA scheduling after device reboot Everything's open source so anyone can verify: [Crynners/AccBot: AccBot is an open-source accumulation bot that incrementally purchases BTC based on a DCA strategy to accumulate your portfolio](https://github.com/Crynners/AccBot)

shadyghxst

Headline making it sound like someone can magically “Hack” into your device remotely and drain your wallet but they actually need physical access to the device. Most modern flagship android devices have a Secure Element that store crypto keys outside of the android OS. The article fails to mention which android phones , running which version of android.

Aussiehash

Goatpig's fork is still active on the dev branch, but the last release was 7 years old and most likely won't run on modern desktop OS https://github.com/goatpig/BitcoinArmory

Previous-Dirt5474

One thing that feels underestimated right now is the shift toward full “financial OS” platforms in crypto. For years we’ve had fragmented tools one app for DeFi, another for tracking portfolios, another for trading, another for on-chain activity. What’s starting to emerge now are platforms trying to unify everything into one system: portfolio management, asset allocation, trading, and on-chain interaction in a single interface. If that model works, it could change how people interact with crypto completely. Instead of jumping between 10 tools, people operate from one financial command center. Feels like the early stages of that trend.

Happy-Lynx-918

Gay OS ? what is next ? lesbian kernel ?

DukeLetoAtreides1

Instead of doing useless fucking shit like this they should try making a proper OS for a change

PrettyOwl7768

Ah yeah — without the OS context, "assign nodes to watch each account" sounds like you just reinvented a centralized database with extra steps. The reason it actually works is because the protocol is the OS. The wire format enforces it. You can't opt out of the fee, you can't fake the sequence number, you can't fork around it — because it's not an app running on top of something else, it's the thing everything else runs on. But the moment you start explaining the OS you've lost the Reddit crowd. Nobody's clicking on "I built an operating system that also does money." Maybe the angle isn't the technical mechanism at all. Maybe it's the implication: Title: What if money was never supposed to be a separate system? Body: Every payment system ever built — cash, cards, banks, Bitcoin — treats money as its own thing. A separate ledger. A separate network. A separate protocol. You do work over here, then you go to the money system to get paid over there. But what if every message between two computers just... had a price field in the header? Not a payment API bolted on top. In the header. You can't send a packet without pricing it. You can't receive one without accounting for it. Communication IS payment. They're the same operation. There's no "money system" because every system is already a money system. The fee isn't in a config file you can change. It's in the byte layout. Fork the software, the fee stays. Change the byte layout, nobody can talk to you. The economy is structural, not contractual. What does that kill? Payment processors. Banks. Exchanges. Blockchains. All of them exist because money and communication are separate. Merge them at the protocol level and there's nothing left for those systems to do. I keep looking for why this can't work. What am I missing? \--- No OS, no DHT, no nodes. Just the one idea that money-in-the-wire-format dissolves the entire financial stack. People can understand "what if every packet had a price" without knowing what a ring buffer is.

Commercial-Base-4774

good news for dogecoin! now that it will become a utility coin because of its product Doge OS. I'll just monitor and hide my Dogecoin here in the Nika finance wallet, I'll wait for it to pump. just trust 😁😁

xpresstuning

Checked out the security features, and it's the same deal as with the other dozens out there, with the exception of Bluewallet. They rely on your phone's OS-level encryption + biometrics/PIN for app access. The reason why i mention Bluewallet is because it's the only mobile software wallet that allows you to encrypt the entire app's storage (including your wallet data, seeds, etc.) on top of your phone's built-in encryption, by enabling the "Encrypted Storage" option via a strong password. Meaning, that on top of the OS encryption, you've got Bluewallet's encryption (AES-256), ***and*** the biometrics/PIN. No other wallet does that. And that's the reason why it's the best on mobile. Sparrow being the best on desktop.

HBar-Bull

If the community talked about Bitcoin in full reality I don't think people would be so quick to pour their life savings into this. * Bitcoin is open source software * Bitcoin code has been copied hundreds of times, there is no scarcity at all. You can verify this with your favourite AI, just ask questions regards Bitcoin code copies * You are buying ones and zeroes on a computer, literally there is no coin, you are simply buying a number on the blockchain. (as noted above this OS software can be copied) * There is no mining it's an open source guessing game to get the # (hash) number Speculate have fun and I would recommend investment diversification.

KualaLJ

Yeah I don’t pretend to know anything about it? What OS are these nodes running on? Was an update pushed out?

Tight_Primary_2546

Great answer. Thank you. Let me give you some clarifications about my setup. 1) I took a screenshot of the private and the public keys and group them on an offline computer. Of course the paper wallet were generated on an offline computer with a fresh linux OS. if one of the 3 of my friend loses his house for any reason I can still count on the other 2 usb keys I gave to the other friends. 2) these paper wallets are now stored on a offline usb key in a password manager. Each pwd manager have the same copy. Nobody can access these pwd manager other than my friends as the only know tha password to access it. Your 3) and 4) are valid points as well as the 2-3 multisig. I will learn how to make it and when confident enough I will move what I have into these wallet. Thank you again for your great advice.

Historical-Ice-3254

figured it out. Mac OS was way out of date

jeeptopdown

$250 billion market. Rulebook finalised at COP29. Infrastructure to run it? Doesn't exist yet. That's the gap. That's why we built DOVU OS. 5 live programmes. 31 countries in scope. 6 weeks to Japan's mandatory compliance deadline. [twitter post](https://x.com/dovuofficial/status/2026981795796009252?s=46&t=KhiGxrO00W2s7i6lUQkhQg) LinkedIn doesn’t allow a full article cut and paste. Sorry.

B1ggusDckus

An Open Source person would have cross-compiled in linux OS for windows. Developing straight up in windows shows this was definitely no one from the linux open source community.

B1ggusDckus

No, Len is certainly not Satoshi. Len was a convinced open source guy using linux OS. In contrast, bitcoins first client was written with Microsoft Visual C++ and only running on Windows.

ReliantToker

THE POKER CLIENT IN THE GENESIS CODE ​While most people see Bitcoin as a dry financial protocol, Satoshi’s original vision for the software was surprisingly "social." If you dig into the very first public release of the Bitcoin source code (v0.1.0), you’ll find the structural framework for features that have nothing to do with banking—including an integrated peer-to-peer poker game. ​Satoshi didn’t just want to build a currency; he initially experimented with building an all-in-one "crypto-app" that included an IRC chat client, a virtual marketplace, and the poker app. The "Poker" code was never fully activated, but the stubs for it remain a fossil in the early repository. ​This obscure detail reveals that Satoshi viewed Bitcoin as an "Internet OS" where transactions were just the foundation for human interaction. Eventually, these features were stripped out to keep the code "minimalist" and secure, but the "Poker Protocol" remains proof that the creator of the world's most serious asset was thinking about the fun of the network before the price ever hit a penny.

Nishkiiiii

I'm not sure if my wallet is a hardware or not: Tails OS + Electrum on a USB device. I only connect it to the internet when I want to confirm that a transaction is done. According to your description, it's both a hardware wallet. Sometimes I confuse it with cold wallets.

Givefreehugs

You should grab one of all three crypto coins listed on EDX if you can. Most banks and most ETF bundles will have those three, and they’re about to be bridged with each other through BIT_OS and LitVM.

Zealousideal-Loan655

Deadass wish Graphene OS would come with like a dual boot or something

Realistic_Muscles

Yea, they will also arrest you if you have phone with Graphene OS (happening in both US and Europe).

Radiokot1

Back when Start9 was an OS and Umbrel was software that was installed on top of your own OS, I leaned towards Umbrel because of this. Nowadays Umbrel too fully replaces the OS, which makes it harder to use the server for other purposes or fine-tune installed packages. Running a node + an Electrum server turned out to be **very** easy with just docker-compose.

riscten

No, online Tails is not enough, it has to be offline. But you can have a very strong setup even with a shared family computer: * Flash Tails (or any live session Linux distro) on a USB drive; * Copy Sparrow to the drive too; * Unplug the PC's ethernet cable; * Ideally remove any WiFi/Bluetooth hardware (or if you can't remove them, check if you can disable them in BIOS); * Boot into Linux live session; * If you weren't able to remove or disable Wifi/Bluetooth, don't connect to any wifi network; * Run sparrow, generate your wallet (ideally using dice); * Stamp the mnemonic(s) on metal; * Note your xpubs (and output descriptors if you're doing multisig) somewhere safe; * Remove the USB drive and end the Linux session, reboot into your usual OS; From there you have a world class setup, more secure than a lot of hardware wallets on the market. Enter your xpubs in a new watch-only wallet in Blue Wallet/Nunchuk (mobile), or Sparrow (desktop), and you'll be able to track your balance and get receive addresses. If you ever need to spend, you'll do PSBT by generating the transaction in your online OS, sign it in offline Linux, then go back to your online OS and broadcast the transaction. This is fundamentally how hardware wallets work, it just takes a little more legwork because you're using the same device to do everything.

BettyWhiteOnBlack

Plus 'Windows Recall', your PCs OS is taking a screenshot of your PC every 5 secs. Granted you have to opt in...but still. Fuck that!

jawni

It's sad that you think these are gotcha questions, when people settle for this kind of concern trolling, you know they're desperate. >1) What is the number of SOL validators including last 3year trend? ~800 is the current number, largest validator set than any other blockchain of the same age or younger. And even 800 is actually far more than is needed. 100-200 would actually be the sweet spot, assuming ideal geographic stake distribution. It is down from 2500. Why? [Because the delegation program that was started to bootstrap the network has winded down.](https://x.com/SolanaFndn/status/2018338765211926940) * Non-SFDP delegated stake grew ~230% * Foundation stake share fell from 44.4% to ~5.9% * Independent validators increased by 121% Solana has gotten substantially more decentralized over these 3 years, but people generally aren't very good at using any nuance so they typically just look at raw validator numbers, which give you maybe 10% of the data you need to make to have a comprehensive view on decentralization. Beyond that you need to look at client diversity, development diversity, geographic distribution of stake, hosting diversity, nakamoto coefficient and many other factors, including but not limited to the ones in the bullet points. >2) What is the HW spec. for SOL node as of now? * CPU: 12 cores / 24 threads or more, with a base clock speed of 2.8GHz or faster. Must support SHA extensions (AMD Gen 3 or newer, Intel Ice Lake or newer) and AVX2 instructions; AVX512f support is beneficial. * RAM: 256GB or more, with Error Correction Code (ECC) memory recommended. * Storage: PCIe Gen3 x4 NVMe SSD or better.Accounts: 1TB or larger, high Total Bytes Written (TBW) endurance. Ledger: 1TB or larger, high TBW suggested. OS/Snapshots: 500GB or larger. >3) What is the size of SOL blockchain giventhough the vast amount of transactions incl. those non-client one? Validators have no need to store all of it but if they wanted to, it would be 100TB. >4) What is the consensus of SOL PoS - how fairly are block producers chosen giventhough early SOL coin distribution scheme (vesting schedule)? So you're kind of conflating two things here. There is block production and then there is the tokenomics and vesting. The vesting has been done for a while now, so block producers aren't really being chosen in 2026 due to tokens they received half a decade ago. You can watch them in real-time here: https://gui.firedancer.io/ It's pretty clear that many validators produce blocks for Solana and it has little to do with vesting schedules. Even if it did, that would necessarily mean that whichever group that was that invested over 5 years ago, has diamondhanded those coins through all unlocks, which I would think would be a good thing. On the consensus mechanism itself, it uses TowerBFT and Proof of History for now, but soon will deprecate that when Alpenglow is implemented and we'll have Votor and Rotor. Learn more here: https://www.helius.dev/blog/alpenglow

Acceptable_Deal_4662

honestly I cant wait, maybe Microsoft will even change tune about the declining quality of their OS if their price is heavily impacted

Altruistic_Rock_2749

OpenSea’s OS2 platform enables altcoin trading across Ethereum, Polygon, and Solana. Multi-chain support allows access to tokens not listed on major U.S. exchanges, simplifying the study of token behavior across chains.

disruptioncoin

Initially I was using paper wallets, specifically [bit-address.org](http://bit-address.org), downloaded from github, put on a flash drive, and opened within TAILS on a non-networked laptop with no storage (and Libreboot). If I had to spend, I'd usually just use Mycelium wallet on my phone (running Copperhead OS - the free fork of which now goes by Graphene), or Electrum within TAILS - moving the change to a new paper wallet of course. Eventually I got a Trezor One though (came out in 2014).

TestSubjuct

The trick is not to trust anything. Don't answer your phone unless family. Don't respond to emails directly with reply. Don't use multiple devices for your finances. Use a dedicated device and don't load anything other than an OS.

maggie-khalo

For altcoins not listed in the U.S., OpenSea’s OS2 platform provides access to ERC-20 tokens across Ethereum, Solana, and other blockchains, making it easier to study token behavior across networks.

extrastone

If you don't believe in large corporations then you should probably stop using products made by them like Reddit. That includes your computer, likely your OS for your computer, the electricity in your house, your car, and the gas in your car. Bitcoin will not only be trusted because it is not managed by a corporation. Fiat currencies are supposedly run by governments. Bitcoin is trusted because on any given day, we know how many there will be. No other currency can as safely make that promise.

no_choice99

Sure.First off, check out their github projects, you won't find their custom made OS nor the code of their firmware. Second, a quick google search leads to https://cncintel.com/is-ledger-wallet-safe/. Don't rely on the official Ledger website, as indeed, they only mention that it's the secure element that's not open source, hiding the biggest piece of software (lol, rofl, lmao!!!).

coherent_noise

IBM OS/2 Warp old.

Lee911123

He pretty much developed proof of work with gpus, back then you could only mine bitcoin with your CPU. Another fun fact is that he also helped developed the bitcoin wallet client for Mac OS.

TheTripleL

USB stick + Tails OS + Ian Coleman BIP-39 files + Sparrow Wallet. After testing everything, get another USB Stick and clone your Tails.

No-Magician-2257

They lost touch on the consumer market. They tried to keep up but the consumer wasn’t having it. 1) They thought touchscreen was a niche that would never work properly. They were right, most consumer touchscreen before iphone 1 was bullshit. 2) They stuck to their OS, symbian, which was just too far behind the competition and also many developers left because the OS was difficult to work with. 3) They bet too much on the success of the Windows Phone

snakesntings

Offline yes. Fresh OS… fairly. I was using nice hash, than mining pool hub. Otherwise fairly fresh. Definitly that site yeah.

riscten

Did you generate your keys offline, by downloading the page and running it on an airgapped computer with a fresh OS? Also, are you 100% certain it was the legit [bitaddress.org](http://bitaddress.org) and not one of the countless scam clones?

SirRocksALot2112

I run a node, I purchased a 2TB SSD hard drive downloaded Knots, use a Sparrow wallet for all of my transactions. This enables me to set my fee threshold for the transaction. There are some easy walk through tutorials on YouTube on how to set everything up. My total cost for the drive was $110. Just be sure the drive is a SSD and is compatible with your OS. Easy Peasy

aussie_oasis

I just had my wallet drained about 3 hours ago. I use Trust Wallet. The pass phrase has only ever been written down and secured physically. I've used it once to get my Trust Wallets onto a new phone 3 years ago. I've used that checker for any token approvals on my wallet, there is zero. It is a straight transaction from my wallet to theirs. ChatGPT thinks it is likely my new phone from 3 years ago, brand new being the compromise when I entered the phrase again. Or a fake Trust Wallet, or OS malware, unlikely but possible.

aussie_oasis

I just had my wallet drained about 3 hours ago. I use Trust Wallet. The pass phrase has only ever been written down and secured physically. I've used it once to get my Trust Wallets onto a new phone 3 years ago. I've used that checker for any token approvals on my wallet, there is zero. It is a straight transaction from my wallet to theirs. ChatGPT thinks it is likely my new phone from 3 years ago, brand new being the compromise when I entered the phrase again. Or a fake Trust Wallet, or OS malware, unlikely but possible.

Shiznoz222

Definitely, irrefutable even. OP YOU ARE RICH DO NOT LISTEN TO THE OTHER GUY SAYING THESE ARE PART OF WINDOWS OS. He is tripping to mislead you so he can steal these keys! Quickly, send these files to bitcoin headquarters and they will unlock the coins for you!

drifterlady

Nice solution to a problem. Quick question, which OS is your laptop?

riscten

It's more nuanced than that. If you run a fresh OS on a PC with radios (Wifi/BT) disabled or removed, you've essentially created a hardware wallet. A hardware wallet does not fundamentally need a secure chip. In fact using any wallet in stateless mode (not storing the mnemonics on the device at all) is safer than storing on any secure chip. The primary purpose of a hardware wallet isn't to store mnemonics, it is to generate keys and sign transactions. Mnemonics are ideally stored on metal plates. Finally you can generate BIP32 hierarchical deterministic wallets on PCs just as well, allowing you to have an infinity of addresses and preventing address reuse. You can use Sparrow for this.

riscten

An airgapped PC with a clean OS is a perfectly valid hardware wallet, just make sure that it's actually air gapped and backup your mnemonic on metal.

Amber_Sam

>brand new pc not even one application installed I'm guessing you didn't install the OS. Even if it's brand new PC, it doesn't mean someone else didn't install any apps. The wallet isn't hacked, your PC is compromised. This is why having a hardware wallet is important. If you'll be looking for one, make sure it is **fully open source** (not ledger), **Bitcoin only** - the attack surface reduced to a minimum (not ledger), and **air-gapped** (not ledger). Blockstream JadePlus for example but there's more options. If you still don't want or can't to buy one, look at DIY solutions like Seedsigner, Jade or Krux. If that's a no go, at least download a live linux distro and use that instead of using (I guess a windows) OS, somebody else installed.

crunchyeyeball

Sounds like either malware or a fake wallet. Have you added any browser extensions? Where did you download sparrow from? Does anyone else have physical access to the PC? You say the PC was brand new - where did you get it? Are you sure there were no other applications installed? If you can't figure out how it happened, I'd be tempted to just get a hardware wallet, maybe a Trezor or similar. Even then, I'd be wary of any malware on that PC until a full OS re-install.

riscten

Storing on an exchange is far worse than on a phone/tablet. Bitcoin sitting on a exchange can be taken away from you for so many reasons. Platform gets hacked, operators decide to run with your money, company goes down, authorities issue a seizure order on your account... Storing on a phone is very different from storing on a desktop PC. Mobile apps are sandboxed and accessing app-specific data is much harder to do for a malicious app than it is on a desktop OS. It's an order of magnitude safer to keep your Bitcoin there, with the exception being obviously rooted ROMs and random APKs you installed from who-knows-where. Obviously an airgapped wallet is a much better solution, but between exchange and mobile, I'd pick mobile every time.

crunchyeyeball

The question you need to ask is how they accessed your exchange account. If you don't know, you have to assume that whatever device or email account you used to create the exchange account is also compromised. If that's the case then the safety of your funds depends on the security practises you followed when setting it up. E.g. was the seed phrase kept off any internet-connected device? This *should* be a given, but it's always surprising how many people fail to follow this rule. Was it a hardware wallet? If so, it should still be secure, again assuming you followed basic opsec rules. You'd also have to assume they have access to all your other account passwords, maybe installed a keylogger, maybe some clipboard-stealing or address-changing malware, so a thorough session of password changes and even an OS re-install may be needed.

Weird-Sector2462

ENT(R) EZ NOR OR AND ATT US OS SO NET https://youtu.be/Yczul_609Gg?si=XlgyvVDJ3iMidsGN

GoonSic

Happened to me. And if it was only 12$ I'd be much happier. Reinstall your own OS. If you can have your own dedicated computer for crypto and only use it for that

PudgyAxolotl

Guys can macs also be affected by this or is it mostly windows OS?

hep-bot

Your computer is compromised, format everything on the HDD and install new OS

Baumpaladin

Factory reset? The root/sudo password can be reset without wiping the entire OS, or am I missing something with your setup?

RedKard76

Pretty cool! I unlocked some old wallets within the last year from passwords I could not remember anymore by finding CSV files of my old browser passwords. For example I had backed up my passwords and bookmarks from a browser before reinstalling my OS (linux). I found the old CSV file, plugged into into a fresh browser and was able to write down OLD passwords I had totally forgotten about. There were several hundred that I had used through the last 13+ years and one of them (or a similar variation) worked.

Ulrask

1) No hardware wallet, just paper wallet 2) No I entered my seed phrase 3) Never on my main OS, for the first time today on a USB liveCD, was wrong to trust Ubuntu appstore, apparently it's known that they've been hosting malware using the name of reputable wallet for years.

waldito

The issue is not the wallet. It's your OS that might be compromised. You wanna do it in your laptop, you need to boot into a secure linux distro, usually from a pendrive.

krakensupport

Sounds like it might be browser related, or an extension could be interfering u/FastVideo9700 👋 Worth trying incognito, a different browser, or disabling extensions to see if it changes 👀 You can also try logging in via [Pro platform](https://pro.kraken.com) instead. Feel free to DM us with the browser and OS you’re on and what you see after trying those, that’ll help us narrow it down 🤝 Harley 🐙

Vasjh

Nod. Some of the ideas sound good on paper (Midnight privacy "insert Blockchain lingo, make me feel smart/part of secret elite". Can be used for payrolls as example, some hidden some visible, temp visibility. Sounds cool. Even the distribution was a play on nostalgia (come mine some of it) Minotaur sounds good, Bitcoin defi sounds good (Bitcoin OS block blahblah changes everything, yet nothing). Waiting for Charles to pull the message he got from Trump. Simple lesson in the end, stop following these so called leaders, they don't have a solution either. Can play around with stocks/alts, but come home to metals and BTC.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; By 2025, the NFT market has drastically declined, forcing marketplaces like OpenSea and Magic Eden to adapt. OpenSea introduced cross-chain token trading via its decentralized exchange, OS2, and expanded its offerings to include various digital assets. Magic Eden diversified into token trading and launched new products like Packs and Dicey, focusing on 'crypto entertainment.' These adaptations aim to stabilize engagement and revenue, positioning the platforms as cultural liquidity hubs in a maturing digital asset ecosystem. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

Man_toy

1. Unless he boots to the os (if there is an OS on those drives) it will be a slave drive and this will just bring you to the booted OS and user's specific App data folder. 2. 15 years ago was probably Windows XP and AppData wouldn't have been a thing. It was 'Application Data' back then.

Teresa_Paterson

If it was truly wiped and you keep it updated / don’t install sketchy stuff, it’s probably fine. The key thing: never type your seed phrase on the computer, only on the Ledger device itself. That’s what keeps you safe even if the OS is a bit sus.

Charlotte_Millera

If it was truly wiped and you keep it updated / don’t install sketchy stuff, it’s probably fine. The key thing: never type your seed phrase on the computer, only on the Ledger device itself. That’s what keeps you safe even if the OS is a bit sus. P.S. You guys are frying OP in the commets, keep it up, I Love it

Hefty-Amoeba5707

 Satoshi Nakamoto wasn't a "tech head". That was Hal. Satoshi programmed Bitcoin on Windows. The same OS that known for scrapping data of you. He was the visionary, Hal was the tech nerd that believed in Satoshi's ideas.

DeepintheMangroves

Nova works on Android and many other OS .

doyzer9

Use a dedicated computer that has **never been connected to the internet** (and never will be again). Generate your keys offline using software like Electrum, etc... (download the software on a separate, online device and transfer via a clean USB drive). Sign transactions offline and broadcast them using a "watch-only" wallet on an online device. Mainstream cryptos only, not shit coins. **Security Practices:** Ensure the machine is completely air-gapped (Wi-Fi and physical network connections disabled permanently) and physically secure. Extra: **Encrypted USBs:** You can also use a USB drive with Tails OS, which includes pre-installed secure wallets and leaves no digital footprint on the host computer. **Multi-Signature (Multi-sig):** Use services like Safe (formerly Gnosis Safe) to require multiple approvals for a single transaction, ensuring no single compromised device can steal your funds. Needs multiple devices or persons to complete all transactions. **Shamir's Secret Sharing (SSS):** This is a cryptographic method that splits your seed into multiple "shares", requiring a predefined number (a *threshold*) to reconstruct the original. For example, a "2-of-3" scheme means you create three shares, but only need two of them to recover your funds. * **Pros:** Protects against single-point failure (one lost share doesn't ruin the backup) and stolen shares reveal no information below the threshold. * **Cons:** Not all wallets support the SLIP-39 standard needed for this, and the setup is more complex. **Use a Passphrase (25th Word):** This adds an extra, user-defined word to your standard 12 or 24-word seed phrase, creating a completely different wallet. * **Pros:** Even if someone finds your primary seed phrase, they cannot access your funds without the specific passphrase. It also allows for a "decoy" wallet with a small amount of funds to protect against physical coercion. * **Cons:** If you lose the passphrase, your funds are permanently lost, even if you have the 24 words.  IMO: encrypt your seed phrase and store on an encrypted usb drive with unforgetable complex passwords. MyPa55w0rd1sN0tMyVeh1c1eRe90rMy01dTe1eph0neN0+01-123 555 6789. Hint: **MPINMVROMOTN..................** Tw!nc1eTw!nc1e1!tt1eStarH0w!W0nderWhatY0uAreN0+01-123 555 6789. Hint: **TTLSHIWWYA.....................** Store ultra safely in at least two sperate locations (never online) Good Luck

Charming-Designer944

Yes a small secure part which guards part of the encryption key for unlocking the internal storage is closed source in Trezor 3 & 5. This part never touches your seed phrase or anything related to your crypto, only part of the key that guards it from tampering In Ledger the whole OS and all management of the seed phrase and key derivation is closed. With only the protocol adaptation layers for different blockchains being open.

Gunnarsgaming

Seeing a lot of unwelcoming comments to a few simple questions. Not sure why Bitcoiners can't just educate without harassing or thinking they're superior over ev[](https://alb.reddit.com/cr?za=uLnTEZSeZF3EQiULYpAiZRU_Rbi4pgBNTSVPebqnJsKm4Jvo7NpMrlw0S5JR0HVjVF1Mj74R8bNed7bR1mrrn9z2_gRuKpCARlm0p7km-QKD6uJToQGtIaJkVRHkLRadH848e8mv3-kmiDt3i9UNgSHlGyZjSmXsFjk2sL8My1hQK4b1lavRr9TZkyUfsrZ-Un0wepw40fqZ_s9HUQKc61sTfhL9TBxFA8osvQXUkVKxo6f3MsCvuMnFsnjeE8wY1U6xwqP2uMkrwhxnF0V8UnZn8OJZTZQJ7r-NnBBUjYkXfsCqt-LER-Ml4z5qzsvpd3iWb0u8FjDwKjkp1IGR2VokiRgTlGqQFDlpRiY_DDcN59rCE8FcCXwEh7xamE1y5W-NpIpio33jMr5VWPX2eJ6rhZl_FHfeewk_4Dk7SAd_PUZTmnn5RJOsY8sSZ5vW7A3QgBTCK5GyTkZWd5g9WAoof3CB3UkxOe2sc_OxTuQkCWOYcr9j8dTuuWK6aX6HA-RUjDyprYJuGF_YojXtM_NxFH_MyhxdPIoJIyanENTUQ7xVq91HtTnbNnZme-XDTSx1FTqRbaC-sYK6kujmZkP-r80alIGgdAmXvLOGHzBPV3K2iyeMI0tGssD1oaWM7traLTecNN2hOv5cwBlvVIvz7LG9EJBJCRmAKkXWaHjkA9El-g-4uKTHigRrYBgz5lz6Ar1ddDuwDORYOr_mJ_shN08-3KGE11y2WGW3D7ki7D2pc20u9IizMC-YVNOu04vQjAVm19GAr1nY8lBmoUteN1Ldom5x8AwZ4Vjca22ilU6NACXscOB1FQ-Zt22L8EG7OBfCpYpRuOuQFQ43cT-bnpKRjDbz_rjCySK0WEmLHaj0o_bYMbHIYbNyRBuhRUHr&zp=Y27EzcOwiHcii9JoWi6hgDvIrtj1Oly_l2hKLMot94OS8DYkZaJHuzI9gLEyO3zEQyglhDbeAs-vxN7d075DkrdTsVfwjhNtCYIytLJbSf-POwIOPwc8IieTNPK2eMMMHba3WN9i2JwhlzSR2u8tftipnkY2ACUvd_tJV-PHI7gvgk4dZG_aoFwmMAVqLmYTN8jHIiGJws4RIHeQTKPrpxZ2IYQleUSqWl5sXhEiM2sPVKr8oUg-36Cov1hHGKnGlrQ0XuokzCQM0iV8WOgEsc0B6Jw6QzVLr3Xczv_JRiABkXwLy48haHQcFLWtZSXkwF0lVvMZ06mAu0nStWH07IlC69hcAS65PQ4MtLsp8fOzRoT_WD4iZZhWM1Nv2Dr8ElJGg1X4O7e3MyhHxu15hyt6a4cndcAafd2mwF8X29t1G7YceGtHQcszjZqLHzX_VwlpMCj5bVUJj-rcWeVAVp5WIfYEJr2Tn8bUmnBGeMLn-Tl1x1rjBjCdVCyXL-P1rLuItKtmQwbXOwWldHUP7IPIxgfGO7grdkFdpa5MsGfSspxmT_gueLsUjZUXrtFoeaULhdUwmL8Iq8pCWMVEXVCz1pE6NxUvSthfmS21bCbs_QyhR5dbPblAeJzF13yGqIGNPnMv2QwYXxkHSYJpU2O-vQDpVdOoW1TVTkU0NpMJZwSHlOfi9ytnhMFTh5wAkrACJNcXE_fPp77sUZ6ULfTvduyAVoqQ7HaYnrE_bA9TXyAee-2-TEiEnMz8aS0fn_-n3FcFnTfLsigmU0G47aCDlJvG1UM3frhjynqR3DYGVuD0VFEb_cMqCPxI3HC5-l5E5O85TrQk5LH3rvFlfKrqRbDo66gj355oJ8BkVSA31TJekz2k5ORZvCArGZk8QED32oBivoyqp5e0iL7IzXXIF85K&a=52055&b=47317&be=47317&c=47167&d=42355&e=42322&ea=42355&eb=42322&f=42257&r=6&g=1&i=1765557515072&t=1765557674229&o=1&q=1&h=204&w=620&sh=800&sw=1280&va=1&vb=0&vc=0&vd=0&ve=0&vg=0&vh=0&vi=0&vs=0&vt=0&vu=0&vv=0&vx=0&vw=0&vq=0&vr=0&vy=0&xe=0&vz=0&xa=0&xf=0&xb=0&vf=0&xc=0)eryone else. In short, Bitcoin can be used globally and you can actually convert Bitcoin into any currency, not just the US Dollar. Since you live in the US, you only see US based products/third party converters, BTC<>USD. The point of Bitcoin is protect wealth from hyperinflation, countries that have paper money, or corrupt government officials that can outright confiscate money from anyone (think when cops pull someone over and they have their savings in a bag in the backseat, the cops will just take the bag of money/gold and deem it as a tool for paraphernalia). They'll drag and fight you in court for so long that the money might not even be worth going after. That is a worldwide issue. Check out this article as an example of abuse of power: [https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/08/18/civil-asset-forfeiture-explained/74802279007/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/08/18/civil-asset-forfeiture-explained/74802279007/)

GabFromMars

C’est possible, mais Umbrel n’est pas conçu pour le minage directement. Il est plus orienté vers la gestion de nœud Bitcoin et services associés. Pour miner, tu as besoin d’un **ASIC miner** (genre Antminer) et d’un **logiciel dédié** comme CGMiner ou Braiins OS. Tu peux utiliser Umbrel pour ton **nœud Bitcoin**, et en parallèle, miner avec un matériel spécialisé sur un autre système. Les deux ne se mélangent pas directement, mais tu peux gérer les deux séparément : Umbrel pour ton nœud et un ASIC pour le minage. **Points à garder à l’esprit** : * **Consommation énergétique** et **refroidissement** pour tes ASICs. * Investir dans du **matériel spécialisé** (coût élevé).

AlternativePaint6

You must have built your own CPU and OS and browser and router, yes? Or what, you trust the third party code and hardware for CPU and OS and browser and router? 🤣

Puzzleheaded_Pop2019

You are 100% right to call that out. Using the word 'Keys' in a Bitcoin sub was a massive unforced error on my part. To be crystal clear: I meant Infrastructure Credentials (API Keys, SSH Configs, Passwords), NOT Seed Phrases. NEVER paste a Seed Phrase or Private Key into a browser. I would report that post too. Regarding the 'IRC/Pastebin' comparison—you aren't wrong about the utility, but the Architecture is different. Pastebin/IRC: Writes data to a database on a hard drive. If the server is seized, the history exists. This Tool: Runs in volatile RAM. Logs are piped to /dev/null at the OS level. If the power is cut, the data doesn't just delete; it ceases to have ever existed. It’s a tool for metadata minimization, not wallet management. Thanks for keeping the standard high, seriously.

Tim-Rocket

If Binance goes down, and your BTC is controlled by them, (still in your Binance account) then yes. You'd loose it. *Not your keys not your coins*. It is that simple. Yes, cold storage is the safest way to go. Though, cold storage can be implemented in several ways. The most popular method (according to what I've seen in reddit/X so far) is to use a *hardware wallet*. But, cold storage really means *having control over a pair of keys which have never been on a device connected to the internet*. This can be achieved by generating your keys on an offline computer with a recently installed OS, and formatting/reinstalling the OS it before it ever connects to the internet again. If you ever want to use that address you can use an *air gap wallet* or, generating a new pair of keys, offline, and send whatever you did not spend to the newly created address. If you know the basics of how BTC works, you wouldn't need to ask these questions. Please DYOR, verify, this is what this tech is about. I've highlighted in italic the things I consider most important to get a basic understanding as a user. GL.