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konddmy

In the meantime, TIL. The software that tries to brute-force called "scanner tool". AI, nowadays, increases widespread of it - since it is easy to get code from it. To the point when many are open-source: [https://github.com/TheDen/btc-heist](https://github.com/TheDen/btc-heist) They usually naive - e.g. btc-heist just constantly calls operating system's RNG, after refinements of entropy already applied by OS kernel/drivers. It does not model entropy-source directly (e.g. model source as superposition of sines and cosines - and then apply entropy whitening and expansion, already dangerous approach). And it outs of memory too - so made childishly. AI, however ups the game - it suggest users better approaches, point out that ADCs are low-bit, so only handful of frequencies is distinguishable, so entropy is weak. Points out that starting modeling from the source renders entropy whitenings and expansions useless. And GPT-OSS is good with deterministic greedy algorithms - just have to correct it few times, to ensure that nothing comes from RNGs - whole model is strict mechanism. AI, like GPT5 often tries to protect with psychological games and in-directions, other distractions, but let's say younger person won't fall for that (most likely candidate for attacker - many novel hacks come from shift in educational paradigm), and someone who's familiar with psychology and teaching himself (e.g. me) doesn't fall for that either. So, I strongly suggest that there be more scanner tools in the future, and it's already time to prepare and re-think security. Events are often unveiling fast nowadays.

DriveTraining5439

Hi there ! Left SETI project because it wasnt fun any more, tried that new bitcoin stuff and got 7.2ishBTC ... got an offer on that extra PC and forgot to backup wallet/keys, just went ahead and format it with fresh OS. Me everytime it jumped price last years: DOH !

rEYAVjQD

Just want to chime in and mention everyone is way overthinking in this thread with convoluted ways that the hack could occur. The hack can be done by basic trojans that just have remote access because they simply use your desktop as if you were on it. It's the basic method scam centers in India use because you need very low skill to literally use a windows desktop. In that train of thought it might be insecure to run a basic popular OS like windows. Besides: every actual security expert knows that they can never trust their own self because computers nowadays have backdoors even at the hardware level (yes before an OS boots (but I wouldn't bother too much about that extremity because most scammers are too dumb for that)).

DeconstructedBacon

Electrum allows to append multiple custom words to a 12 word seed phrase which act as a passphrase. Could be that he did that. Also check digital devices like USB sticks or laptops for tails or whonix OS.

OG_Checkers

I’d wipe whatever OS system you’re using. If you only accessed your wallet on one device this narrows down what you need to reset. Don’t trust password savers, ‘remember me’ features etc. Figure out how you were compromised before starting over. What wallet did you use?

Lazy-Effect4222

There are no known exploits on phantom, it’s a good wallet. I’m guessing malware infected desktop. I keep saying this, the only safe platform for wallet apps is iPhone, don’t run them on anything else. No Android, not any desktop OS. And no third party app stores installed on the iPhone.

ElderMight

This person said just use a USB stick to store the seed phrase, not tails OS on a USB. These two things are not even close to being the same.

DreamingTooLong

Tails OS has electrum built-in Nothing‘s getting stored on the USB The USB is never getting connected to the Internet You can watch the master public address from a watch only wallet on phone. Blockstream wallet is a good option.

DreamingTooLong

You can run just about any version of Linux from a USB drive without installing it to a hard drive Tails is nice because Electrum is preinstalled and it’s such a dry boring OS you’re not going to use it for anything else other than just that.

ntn8888

okay good to know. the extra security is worth it if you're dealing large amount I guess.. or any secure linux OS would be fine I think.

DreamingTooLong

I used Tails OS as a hardware wallet from 2016 to 2019 Now I have 5 different hardware wallets Tails is great for privacy too if you browse .Onion websites with Tor Browser. This is a great feature for protonmail.

DreamingTooLong

Use Electrum on a TAILS OS usb Drive It’s free No hardware wallet needed Its air gapped if you never connect it to the internet

LightFerret7808

Reinstall the OS

VitaminGrin

Make sure ledger live is updated and the ledger OS is updated, as well as all apps and then try again. Be sure to turn on blind signing after updating.

Dom_Parser

This post hits the nail on the head. The economics of defense are currently broken because most people are relying on static, browser-based security against attackers using 24/7 AI-driven scanning. ​If attackers are moving to the 'host-level' to conduct automated exploit development and social engineering, then our defense has to move there too. We’re currently finalizing an EDR suite for crypto—a local, OS-level security firewall—designed to counter these automated threats. It's time to stop fighting AI bots with browser extensions and start building real infrastructure. ​The official C.A.S.M.S. website will be up soon. All information regarding this project will be available online, including the LLC and the developers' names tied to all projects openly. No jokes, no gimmicks, no games, no scams. Just pure accountability.

LordZera

This is also just one miner (a S19 Pro Hydro). Its not running at max power, most of the time it's limited by heat (when my storage tanks are at ~50°C, Braiins OS dynamically reguates to ~1.8kW to not run the miner cores hotter than stable ~80°C).

LordZera

I actually have a similar system running in my home today (18kWp Enphase solar, 50kWh Battery, 3 Victron Multiplus 5k, a Dachs BHKW, a S19 Pro Hydro feeding the central hot water storage of a digitally controlled heating system, fresh water station and pool). I also went with Braiins OS+Home Assistant, currently mining ~5k Sats/day, last I checked 80% efficiency (kWh heat collected in the heating system per kWh electricity mined). Haven't managed to fully set up my controller to get everything optimally used (too many other things going on), but I'm going with an AppDaemon to properly code in Python, but easily talk to/deploy next to Home Assistant. I open-sourced my custom HA integration to get the mining rewards into HA here (planning to open up more pieces later): https://github.com/fischerq/ha-braiins-pool

TJRDU

I'm surprised you didn't find the answer in Home Assistant. Just plug in a P1 meter, add it to HA, make a automation to the OS. Even AI could explain that to you. But than i saw your fee, and it makes sense. You want a cut. On a AI vibecoded tool nonetheless. Your website doesn't even work on mobile so i'm definitely never gonna run anything you got Claude coded lol.

maxopor

Do you think the user might have used Spanish accents (as in también or enseñanza) in the passphrase? Or would they have ASCII-fied that? If that's possible, do you know how his OS and the Bitcoin Core client at that time encoded these, UTF-8? Does the user still have the original installation, and can they create new wallets on there with chosen passphrases to check encoding?

original_username_4

Investigators often do forensic backups of phones of all types. Your OS might also support backups.

Equivalent_Ranger753

This is an AI generated response from Brave’s Leo. Sorry if any of this is redundant Recovering Bitcoin from old Android phones without a PIN, password, or seed phrase is extremely difficult and often impossible, especially if the device cannot be accessed or rooted safely. Since Schildbach Bitcoin Wallet (now known as Bitcoin Wallet) stored private keys locally on the device, your only chance lies in successfully extracting the wallet data file (wallet.protobuff or similar) from the phone’s internal storage without wiping it. Step-by-step instructions Prerequisites The original Android phone(s) with the wallet still intact. A computer (preferably running an older OS like Windows 7 or Linux, due to driver compatibility). USB debugging enabled (if previously activated). Knowledge of ADB (Android Debug Bridge) and fastboot tools. Potentially, a working battery and functional USB port on the old device. Recovery Steps Try enabling USB debugging (if not already): If the phone boots normally and you can access settings, go to Settings > Developer options and enable USB debugging. If Developer Options is locked or inaccessible, this path may not be available. Connect the phone to a compatible PC: Use a original or high-quality USB cable. Try multiple USB ports and PCs if possible. Install legacy Android USB drivers (e.g., from Google or the phone manufacturer for 2010-era devices). Use ADB to pull wallet data (if USB debugging is on): Install Android SDK Platform Tools. Run: adb devices adb pull /data/data/de.schildbach.wallet/files/wallet.protobuff (Path may vary slightly depending on wallet version.) If successful, import this file into a modern Bitcoin wallet that supports legacy formats. If USB debugging is off and the phone is locked: Your only option is to gain root or recovery access without wiping data. Look for device-specific exploits from 2010–2013 that allow temporary root or recovery mode without data loss (e.g., via unrevoked, SuperOneClick, or GingerBreak). Try booting into custom recovery (like ClockworkMod) if previously installed. Use Android Studio or ADB in recovery mode (advanced): Boot into recovery (usually Volume Up + Power). If ADB works in recovery, try pulling the /data partition. Note: Most stock recoveries do not support ADB; custom ones do. Consider professional data recovery services: Some specialists focus on mobile forensic recovery and may extract chip data directly (e.g., via JTAG or chip-off methods), though this is costly and not guaranteed. Once wallet file is retrieved: Use the original Bitcoin Wallet app or compatible software to open the file. Transfer funds to a new, secure wallet immediately. ⚠️ Warning: Any attempt that involves flashing, factory resetting, or improper rooting may permanently erase your wallet data. Proceed with extreme caution.

Dependent_Book_2905

**(Its from gemini, but it should work)** **Phase 1: Environment Setup (Bypass Windows 11)** **Windows 11 hates 2010-era Android USB drivers. Instead of fighting with Windows registry fixes and broken unsigned drivers, use a Linux environment.** **1. Get a USB Drive: Create a bootable Ubuntu Linux live USB using a tool like Rufus.** **2. Boot Into Linux: Boot your PC into Ubuntu directly from the USB (choose "Try Ubuntu" so it doesn't install over your PC's hard drive). Linux has native, legacy driver support built into the kernel for almost every 2010-era phone and will recognize H-Boot/Fastboot/ADB instantly without installing drivers.** **Phase 2: The Non-Destructive "Android Backup" Trick** **Before trying any aggressive rooting methods, try the native Android Backup utility via ADB (Android Debug Bridge). This feature was designed to back up app data to a computer without root, and early versions of the Schildbach wallet did not block it.** **1. On your phone, go to Settings > Applications > Development and enable USB Debugging.** **2. Connect the phone to your Linux PC.** **3. Open a Linux terminal and install ADB:** **⁠sudo apt update && sudo apt install android-tools-adb⁠** **4. Verify the connection:** **⁠adb devices⁠ (It should show a string of numbers).** **5. Run the backup command specifically targeting the wallet app:** **⁠adb backup -f wallet\_backup.ab -noapk de.schildbach.wallet⁠** **6. Look at your phone screen. If it asks you to confirm the backup, leave the password field blank and hit "Back up my data".** **If this creates a ⁠wallet\_backup.ab⁠ file on your computer that is larger than 0 bytes, you've won. We can unpack that ⁠.ab⁠ file on your PC to extract the wallet keys.** **Phase 3: The Safe Rooting Path (If ADB Backup Fails)** **If the backup trick doesn't work and you absolutely must root the device to browse the file system, you have to use an exploit that targets temporary root in the running operating system, rather than unlocking the bootloader.** **Since you mentioned Unrevoked, you are likely dealing with an HTC device from the Android 2.1 to 2.3 era (like the HTC Desire, Evo 4G, or Incredible).** **Solving the H-Boot Driver Issue in Linux** **If Unrevoked or other tools require the phone to be in H-Boot/Fastboot mode, Linux will bypass the Windows 11 driver block.** **Once the phone is in H-Boot, open your Linux terminal and type ⁠fastboot devices⁠.** **If it shows your device, Linux sees it perfectly, and you can safely proceed with legacy tools.** **Alternative Zero-Risk Exploits** **Because the phone is running a version of Android from 2010-2011, it is vulnerable to ancient software exploits that grant temporary root access without wiping data.** **SuperOneClick or GingerBreak: These were desktop tools used back then that exploited the Android OS while it was turned on. They do not wipe data.** **ADB Sideloading an Exploit: If you can interact with ADB, older exploits like ⁠zergRush⁠ or ⁠rageagainstthecage⁠ can be pushed to the ⁠/data/local/tmp⁠ folder to trigger temporary root, allowing you to copy the wallet file manually.** **Phase 4: What You Are Looking For** **Once you either extract the backup or gain temporary root access, navigate to:** **⁠/data/data/de.schildbach.wallet/files/⁠** **You are looking for a file named ⁠bitcoin-wallet-backup⁠ or ⁠bitcoin-wallet-decrypted⁠.** **Early versions of Schildbach's wallet did not encrypt this by default. You can open this file in a text editor on your PC. It will contain a string of text that looks like a raw private key (often starting with a ⁠5⁠ for unencrypted keys) or a master seed sequence.**

yesdaddy_____

I know I had hundreds of btc based upon pictures and screen shots on my phones I had after the one in question. There is no PIN or password. It's also been a long time since I used Linux, Which I'm aware is the best OS to try to recover the BTC

crunchyeyeball

I'm afraid I can't help, but I've been toying with setting up a node myself. Can I ask what kind of setup you're using (hardware, OS, disk space)? and how easy it was / how long it took to set up?

imlenti

945Gb to sync the blockchain and I have 7Gb of Umbrel OS + the other apps... I think 2TB is the new minimum if you want to sync the whole blockchain and not a pruned node...

yesdaddy_____

Thanks for the advice. Yeah, alot of DM'S alredy. Anyway, The device in question is an: Android Incredible model number: ADR6300VW I belive the android version is 2.3.4 (the device is dead, I need to charge it to give further info. *side note: google stopped supporting this OS awhile ago. Which makes this harder to recover. The Schlidbach app is not on the phone. But i believe once I access super user I can access the protected files. (My other apps, wallpaper etc are still there, so no. It hasn't been factory reset or anything. It does have an SD card. To my knowledge and as far as I can recall, there was no PIN, password or anything about a backup. It would just prompt " The amount in your wallet is quite high for carrying in your pocket. Please move some to a safer place" As far as I've researched the phone NEEDS to be rooted to gain access to the protected files. But as you said, rooting the phone like whiching the OS the clock work recovery mod may or in most cases WILL delete all data.

ImThatChigga_

You do realize that these companies that went bust had high funding from the ipo listings right, overvaluation on their expected revenue. None of the companies you mentioned are in that position, but one thing that they do have in common is overvaluation. Money is getting pumped on the expectation of returns in the future if no returns then it comes to how long it takes for the money to dry up. For Microsoft, they think they can have a monopoly on OS but with the bs they're pulling someone is bound to snatch up market share. Same goes for apple with Europe encroaching on their business model, idea of technology built to only last a certain period of time and forced to upgrade may be apples downfall

Hour_Flounder1405

I've been doing some thinking about this. obviously, I am not a scientist, but I am just a regular dude who has an imagination. I am going to write a rather long story to illustrate something about bitcoin and blockchain, and then I am going to propose a very simple solution by comparing how we secure regular classic fiat accounts. executive summ: by DESIGN, blockchain is inherently fragile with a total loss of funds based on a single point of failure...the seedphrase....once believed to make it impossible to steal and hack, now a very weak but solvable problem. illustration: my brother who was an early adopter, sent me a message and told me to get an account and start buying bitcoin. He told me not to overthink it, just put a few thousands dollars into bitcoin and then forget about it. So I did. However, he did not explain any of the process. I am above average intelligence, so I went it alone, did a one day 1-2-3 crash course on my own, dowloaded meta mask and deposited a "test" amount of just 20 bucks. Success. I can see the funds, and I have the seedphrase. I write this down. I have it. I have another person review it and make sure there were no mistakes in copying it all down. Perfect copy. Now I deposit 100, same result. Success. I see the funds, I see the address. I am doing great. So I deposit a couple thousand, (this was late 2015 btw...bitcoin was trading at the time at around 190 dollars!). At the time I considered the price to be far too high, overpriced, especially when looking at the recent january crash! But I followed the advice of my brother. He had a pretty good track record of spotting opportunity, esp in the tech and science sectors. made a mind in the dot com bubble. I funded the account with a few thou and considered it...well if it all goes bust, it's not going to change my financial wellbeing...it would suck, but I would not have a problem with living expenses and other financial goals. it was however, the first time that I ever made an investment into something I had zero experience and understanding. First time I had ever downloaded an app to make an investment deposit. First time I had ever created and secured an account with such a heavy duty encryption protocol. It was skeptical and nervous to say the least. Where was this all going to go? I only had to wait a few years to understand the answer to that question. Bitcoin had exploded and I had hardly even bothered to notice. So I get another call from my brother. "now is time to lock on some of those profits...withdrawal 50 percent of what you invested...let the rest ride it out)". So I took that advice too. Again, obviously brother is tracking this pretty well and so far his advice has been very good. I go to open metamask and withdrawal funds. seedphrase does not work. I try again...nothing. So I go back to another set of notes to make sure I have recorded it correctly. no bueno. Nothing. I can see the funds and but my seedphrase does not work. I contact metamask. They inform me that over the years, yes the app had been updated, that I should manually uninstall and wipe all cookies on my CHROMEBOOK (that is what I was using) and then reinstall the "new" app and try again. So I do that. Still no success. At this point I am getting very anxious. Something isn't right. I try everything I know. I go to a microsoft computer....load metamask and event the web browser client..nothing. I use a macos computer and iphone...same result. nada. I reach out to brother. He tells me he has never had a problem using meta mask. I ask him to try getting access to my account from his computer and I give him my seedphrase. he can't get iin either. He tells me: "you wrote it down wrong, it's obvious". Well, I didn't do that. I wrote it down perfectly. I even had written it down in two copied with a friend watching me wriite it down letter by letter. it was perfect. So then I realize....something must be causing this problem other than the seedphrase. can't be the app. can't be the seephrase. must be the device. THE CHROMEBOOK. I reach out to the chromeOS dev's using help...actually get in touch with one of the senior software developers who escalates my questions about whether chromeOS and the chromebook device I used to set up the seedphease using the metamask app can actually perform a successful setup of a seedphrase. The reply I got back initially was " we really don't know that answer, we had not designed the chromeOS or the devices that support this OS to function at high level encryption capability. Very secure the OS is, but most of the heavy lifting occurs on the cloud, through the app. If the app and the device are not operating, you could end up getting a seedphrase, that is CORRUPT. I then I reach out to metamask. Hey, does the app function properly running in the ChromeOS environment and device? answer: we didn't develop it to run on chromeOS and the app, we offer it through the google app store and expect it to run on android, but chromeOS does not really operate in the android environment ...it emulates the android environment. So some "features" might seem to function properly, but we cannot guarantee they function 100 percent. oh man...so there is the problem. somehow the chromeOS and this app don't play well together. yet it was possible to generate a seedphrase, but metamask and chromeOS do not function properly and thus the seedphrase is not actually workable. not with the blockchain! and that little bit of information at the time was unknown. Users such as myself assumed that if an app was available and could be run on a chromebook then that app should function for its intended purpose. This was a classic mistake of assuming what should have been properly tested by metamask and the devs at chromeOS. That never happened. I just lost tens of thousands of dollars. Right now, those losses are close to a 1/4 million dollars! next: while some reading this might think the problem I am discussing is related to metamask and chromeOS, it's actually much more fundamentally associated with a particular reliance on a single point of failure: the seedphrase. lets' compare this to my classic fiat bank account to get a fullsome understanding of the problems with using a single point of failure "password" a. when I set up my bank account, I must present other identification, proving who I am and this also is recorded as who the account belongs to. I am expected to create a strong password and even multi factor auth, to protect my account and also to RECOVER IT under a variety of real world problems, like losing my password, or even if hacking happens or fraud. b, with classic fiat bank accounts and almost any other "thing" of significant value, I have other options to prove the account and that thing belongs to me. But this is not the case with blockchain, with seedphrase. If you lose that seedphrase, or it becomes unworkable for any reason, the funds and the account are lost to you...forever...no one can help recover the account. poof...gone. and that right there is the most obvious reason why blockchain and the single point of failure seedphrase presents a very big problem for wide adoption. Bitcoin will never get the kind of global world adoption to any significant level because there are no means to recover an account. We can observe this with the reality that so many hacks and thefts have occurred over the years leaving the rightful owners with zero options to recover the funds. This is not true with classic fiat bank accounts. Not only are there other ways to prove ownership, but they are enforced! And there is of course FDIC coverage in the rare instance that a bank become insolvent. so the problems with AI and quantum hacking while these are certainly a threat to blockchain security...the fact is that the blockchain has been insecure and not robust since it's inception BY DESIGN...and no one seems to want to improve that and make it more secure. If ai for instance and quatum for instance wants to hack an encryption, which the experts say will become trivial, then we have only proof of ownership by other means to prevent the theft of those funds. This does not exist..I would propose that the simply solution to ANY KIND OF THREAT is to simply enforce account ownership with at least 2-3 ADDITIONAL pieces of information and at least 1 thing that you have (true multifactor) that is established at the time of the account setup...exactly as one would do when setting up a bank account. Until this happens, not only will quantum hacking present a very real threat but it will be successful with no other forms of resistance. Blockchain can be made more secure simply by requiring proof of ownership with multi factor type records. Until that happens, funds will be lost, funds will be stolen and wide adoption of the blockchain will be limited to gamblers and the uninformed. God Bless America

dflagella

Look into Circle's Arc L1 that aims to be an economic OS for stablecoin settlement. Existing L1s like ETH won't act as the settlement layer but will interact with it. I'd look at which existing L1 is taking significant market share of tokenization. I've always thought AVAX has potential here

blackcoindev

probably some kind of drainer on your device that targets well-known "hot wallets" by stealing seed phrases. whatever device you used, reset it! reinstall OS! start fresh! You might want to use a seperate crypto-only device. Use your daily-use device to read addresses from chain explorers, use your crypto-only device for address generation and sending funds. Even better! get a Trezor-like device to generate addresses, use this device connected to your crypto-only device. I lost some funds in the past, because my seed or private key was stolen. Ever since I try to seperate "business and pleasure"

Automatic_Ring_7553

Do you understand how much of a performance hit it would be to run your phone's OS in the could? You think people will pay $1200 for that?

GeeEyeDoe

In think this coming sooner than we think. Like next 2 years soon. I think the hardware buyouts are part of it. Price people out of new hardware and offer a subscription based OS environment to track everyone even further to train AI.

rundown03

You're computer won't have much compute anymore in the future. It will be a device connected to the cloud. Even the OS it will run on. You will need to pay for compute depending on usage.

NextCommand7058

Yes yes so many great tickets on anon Can’t wait for the trio’s launch Doge OS X Money Clarity act

Think_Revolution5970

Thanks for the reply. I've the exact setup as you, Trezor, Strike and Android. Bought an iPhone 17 last month and returned it the same day. I actually think Android is a better OS than iOS these days. Do you use the Trezor app on your phone at all?

AlgoTrad3r

Right now it's Wear OS only. But if enough Garmin users are interested, I'd genuinely love to build a Garmin version too.

xpresstuning

Download BlueWallet. It's been around for over a decade with a strong track record, 100% open-source, and Bitcoin-only. That makes it much better than multi-coin wallets like Exodus: smaller attack surface, no extra bloat, and the team stays focused purely on Bitcoin. Besides, it also has a feature called Encrypted Storage that you can enable, which is unique to it compared to any other software wallet, a ridiculously underrated security feature. It basically keeps all your wallet data protected on the device, on top of the OS protection level. Once you reach something like 0.1 BTC, you can connect a hardware wallet to BlueWallet for even better security.

Stoic-Mindset

Or you can just buy 2 USB flash drives for 15$ and create an airgapped device with Tails OS.

BlockChainHeritage

I would not solve this with a second phone. If you want a cleaner environment for cold storage, I’d rather use something like Tails OS on a computer. It can be started fresh each time, and if you boot it in offline mode, it will not connect to the internet at all. That way you are not relying on another everyday phone with apps, updates, accounts, notifications, permissions, etc. I wrote a step-by-step guide for this approach here: [https://blockchainheritage.com/btc](https://blockchainheritage.com/btc)

FlyingScotzman75

Think of a hot wallet like you're actual wallet in your pocket, you would never want to walk down the street with more than a few hundred, or a few grand. Anything more, you'd rather keep in a safe buried in your concrete floor at home. Much more secure, but quite inconvenient to get to and spend. Do you play video games on your pc? Do you download mods, which risk viruses? Things to consider. The main factor is how often do you plan to actually spend or sell your crypto. Me personally, i spent maybe $200 or less per year, so i never needed more than $1k in my hot wallet, however my hot wallet grew larger as crypto mooned, and i was comfortable with larger amounts with my wallet, because i am very careful with downloading things, and rarely install video game mods.   Here's my method for setting up a cold wallet. 1. Format a USB, and download and instull USB bootable Ubuntu on it, using Rufus to install it on the USB. 2. Then boot from Ubuntu via USB, which creates a temp session where everything you did gets wiped after. 3. Install electrum from the web browser or command line thing, all within the ubuntu operatin system. (This whole experience is not user friendly, eventually figured out i needed to install the Python dependencies first for Electrum to work) 4. Now electrum is installed, disconnect from the wifi via the operating system as you normally would, and then go into the hardware options and disable the wifi drivers themselves, so it's even more disconnected. 5. Then spin up the electrum wallet as normal for the first time and create a brand new seed from scratch. Write it down on paper, and keep copies of the paper in MORE than 1 location, (would you lose both pieces of paper in a single fire?) 6. Also write down the first 8 letters of the bitcoin address, (in addition to plugging in another pre-formatted USB to just copy paste the entire address, plus the public master key). 7. Now shut down the computer, unplug the USB, and everything you just did is automatically wiped, and now the seed only exists on paper, and you only have addresses on your USB to transfer to your normal computer operating system. 8. Now install electrum again on your normal OS, create another brand new seed again, and that will be your hot wallet seed, (also write that on the paper along with your cold wallet seed) 9. Then look up how to import your public master key from your cold wallet (that you saved on USB while using Ubuntu) and put it into your hot wallet electrum install, which will allow you to view all the addresses of your cold wallet without having access to spend from them.

Nixisworld

Crypto OS ⚡ I made it, i use it daily, just added 2 new things to track bounties and web3 jobs. Im planning on updating the portfolio tracker to v2 next, like i did the trading journal to trading os. I also use Bybit along the way and crypto bubbles, plus coinmarketcap.

DreamingTooLong

Aqua Wallet is a nice option if you want you use the lightning network. Both liquid and lightning are considered 2 different layers of privacy. Liquid is centralized through a federation ran by OG’s that use were around since Satoshi. If you want to built your own air gapped cold storage for free just install Tails OS to a USB Flash drive. It has electum built in. Don’t ever connect Tails OS to the internet. Find the master public address on Electrum and set it up as a watch only address on your phone using any Bitcoin Only app. Enjoy!

__Ken_Adams__

Fair enough, then I will amend it this way: Keys that you intend to hold any meaningful amount of btc on should never be typed into any device that has ever in the past or will ever in the future be exposed to the internet. That would include most devices that you would print from in your suggestion, so the only way to do this safely would be to do a fresh install of an OS on a disconnected machine, print your keys to a non-networked printer, then wipe the OS from the machine. I still wouldn't feel comfortable with the printer possibly caching the info so I'd take steps to clear the printer as well. By that point you've made it much more difficult than just hand-writing your seed phrase on paper yourself. Typing keys/seed phrases into a computer is widely known to be unsafe. This is not just me pulling it out of my ass, buddy.

True_Bodybuilder8095

TON just got a Telegram OS upgrade, fees nuked 6x and the real user floodgates might actually open smart breakdown.

StillHoriz3n

I’ve been build an OS for 6 months where trust is intrinsic e2e. I’m pretty fucking excited about it

Comfortable-Ant-418

Hmm, some of the wallets you're recommending to OP are literally shitcoin wallets lol. Trezor I am sure supports a ton of shitcoins. Meanwhile Foundation wallets are BTC only. Hard to take your concern seriously when you're starting with a contradiction. I find it difficult to understand how them making a blogpost, which at one point mentions that a group of developers made an app with their open source OS, is related to their products being good or not? It's not even related to their device lol. That also isn't even the product page, you're pretending that a developer blogpost is a product page which is intellectually dishonest to say the least. Of course, no one here is obligated to promote any specific product. But I was worried if my wallet was bad or had any potential security risks, and from your reply it seems like the wallet is fine and you just have issues with them making a blogpost you didn't like. Fair enough! Have a good day sir.

CheeseLordMan

You nailed the core paradox. We’re trying to build a fortress of privacy (blockchain) on a foundation of glass (corporate hardware). It’s like trying to run a secure OS on a CPU with a built-in backdoor. Even if the chain is decentralized, the eyes looking at the screen and the fingers touching the glass are still being tracked by the same for-profit infrastructure you mentioned. We aren't just 'retrofitting' tech; we’re fighting a war where the enemy owns the very ground we're standing on. The 'decentralized' vision remains a fantasy as long as the physical layer is owned by the extractors. wtf indeed.

CheeseLordMan

The 'infrastructure' is there, sure, but it’s owned by the same people we’re trying to circumvent. You can’t run a fully P2P economy on a smartphone with a locked-down OS, using ISPs that track every packet, while AI-driven chain analysis links every UTXO to your real-world identity. 'Staying apart from the system' is a fantasy when the system is integrated into the very hardware you're using. We're not in 2011 anymore; the sandbox has been wired for sound.

AcostaJA

Right, the quickest DIY hardware wallet it's repurpose an old android smartphone by installing r/Airgap vault it can be used as an Coinkite ColdCard Q "clone" DIY with discreet electronics never been as easy, just buy the required M5 Stack boards for an SeedSigner and assembly as a lego. A hardware wallet its an safety protection, but for small amounts, you can just install Unstoppable wallet and use its premium feature of DuressMode it will hide your main wallet behind an disguise password trick, put few sats from reputable exchange A on the visible wallet, and your needed to be hidden Bitcoin from mining or exchange B at the duress mode hidden wallet. Most Android phone offer an hidden space you can switch by special procedure where you have an actually different OS setup as an new phone install there your wallet apps, and regularly use only the non hidden Android space.

kingcakeaholic

This is really important advice. I’d never again use a paper wallet generator because so many are scams. Even if it’s not, you’d need to do this 100% offline on a fresh OS install along with ensuring the printer doesn’t store the image on a HDD.

na3than

Regardless of the OS, don't put private keys on an online computer.

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TheresNoSecondBest

Moving from fiat OS to Bitcoin OS felt like moving from Windows to Linux. Being open source and open to everyone, while the user is also in charge... Yes, the majority of people are fiat/Windows diehards, being scared of the switch. But the longer Bitcoin/Linux exists, the stronger it gets. Morpheus about the diehards: "That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."

Coin-Controversy

\> This is the same as someone saying "I'm not Satoshi" No. He genuinely did not like Bitcoin's design, did you even look at his Twitter account? He wanted something completely different. Szabo is Satoshi btw. You should check out [my article](https://coincontroversy.com/nick-szabo-the-real-satoshi-nakamoto-the-definitive-case-study/). I found stunning things that others missed. \> of course posting a few anti-bitcoin public posts on social media would be something you would think about doing. Utter nonsense. Adam Back and Nick Szabo are significantly stronger candidates and they love Bitcoin to this day... \> It's not evidence at all. It is. But, if you want me to go further... previous studies showed his writing style was different than Satoshi's, and... Satoshi made a forum post \*after\* his death. There were no signs of a hack either... \> And again, someone so obsessed with privacy such as Len, this is totally in his wheel house. It absolutely is evidence. Len's chosen OS for programming was MacOS. Satoshi's chosen OS for programming.. was windows!

Zestyclose_Cheek527

Because I used electrum on an amnesiac os so the wallet was never saved in device, only stored in ram. Lookup tails OS, I’m saying the only recovery options after shutdown was through the seed

Helper_kev

Use Seed Recovery Tools: There are reputable open-source tools like BTCRecover (available on GitHub). You can input the 11 known words and a "best guess" or a list of possibilities for the 12th word, and it will brute-force the correct combination in seconds. Stay Offline: If using recovery tools, always run them on an air-gapped or offline machine (like the Tails OS mentioned in the post) to ensure the seed is never exposed to the internet.

Helper_kev

Use Seed Recovery Tools: There are reputable open-source tools like BTCRecover (available on GitHub). You can input the 11 known words and a "best guess" or a list of possibilities for the 12th word, and it will brute-force the correct combination in seconds. Stay Offline: If using recovery tools, always run them on an air-gapped or offline machine (like the Tails OS mentioned in the post) to ensure the seed is never exposed to the internet.

riscten

Even there, there might still be some ways for data to be exfiltrated. For instance, a lot of phones maintain BLE active even in airplane mode. This is often done for "Find My" functionality. With some phones, if you turn on airplane mode, then activate wifi or BT, then deactivate airplane mode and reactivate it, the OS remembers that you wanted wifi/bt and keeps it active, especially considering that modern airlines encourage you to get on the onboard wifi. This is the behavior on the latest iOS and the stock ROMs running on Pixel and Galaxy S phones. Those don't even disable BT in airplane mode to ensure wireless earbuds don't disconnect while an audio stream is ongoing. Airplane mode basically only guarantees cellular to be deactivated, because that's the part that's regulated: no cellular on airplanes. The rest is a coin toss. Plus you never know what kind of backdoor is on a phone. And there are bugs of course. Definitely not a reliable way to airgap. Honestly even an airgapped ROM isn't that safe as you'd need to audit the release to ensure that all radio drivers are absent. Removing the hardware is the only reliable way to ensure that nothing gets out. Still, if you believe airplane mode is enough for the setup you propose, you should at least edit your post to add those steps.

tengoCojonesDeAcero

Essentialy, what you want is to get a USB stick, and flash Hirens Boot CD on it. Then connect your hard drive to a computer, and the USB stick, and then boot using the usb stick. It will load the Hirens Boot OS with software, that can bypass Microsoft account login.

ReallyOrdinaryMan

It sucks mate, I hope amount was not big. Can you share more information about the situation, did you directly type the seed to pc? Which website did you download the wallet from, can you copy the link from your browser history? If you wanna use any crypto wallet again: - clean install OS before doing anything related to your seed or private key. - Also you can send offline transaction with some wallets (including electrum), meaning your seed-key never could obtained by hackers if you format your OS before and after the handling. - never store your keys online, or on pc-phone. - check the website adress multiple times before doing anything crypto related. Phising is so common, and some of them so hard to catch.

threeseed

As someone who worked at a bank this is ignorant nonsense. a) Central ledger is not publicly facing, are often very old systems e.g. think IBM mainframes and do not rely on encryption for security. You could already crack the encryption on accounts if you had access. b) Web site and customer systems which the public interacts relies almost entirely on browser and OS security i.e. SSL, WebAuthn, Mobile push MFA. And so you're betting on Apple, Google and Microsoft doing *nothing* about the quantum threat. Which given that Google literally raised the issue seems ridiculous.

MonixHardwareWallets

Rough situation. For anyone reading: never import old seeds on an everyday computer. Use a clean live-boot OS at minimum.

TheAudacityofHopium

DYOR. I don't know everything. I used to run a full node. I stopped because I was using an OS that shut down automatically frequently haha. If you want advice, I would say seek help in the bitcoin beginners subreddit. I never did anything with pruned nodes, so I could be totally wrong.

Effective-Ad5644

but then you need to trust the OS on the wallet to actually make it random

xpresstuning

The best software wallet is 100% open-source and Bitcoin-only. Both of which Exodus is not. Bluewallet is the absolute best, because alongside being 100% open-source, Bitcoin-only and with a decade long track record of secure storage, it provides the added option of storage encryption enabled via a password (preferably strong) to encrypt the wallet data on your phone. Meaning alongside OS encryption, you've got Bluewallet's encryption. No other software wallet does that. Making it the absolute best, by a very wide margin.

BasedSpades

Where sparrow? Electrum? Tails OS?

AMY_Foundation

Just to set the record straight, Passport Prime comes standard as Bitcoin only, however we built the OS from scratch in-house, each app does not and cannot communicate with another app. If you want Bitcoin only then it stays bitcoin only; the user gets to decide what they put on there. If you have no desire to have anything other than the bitcoin apps that will be built, then that is all your Passport Prime will be. You can read more here about the security architech how that works. [https://foundation.xyz/2024/12/building-keyos/](https://foundation.xyz/2024/12/building-keyos/)

HedgehogGlad9505

A question regarding the security model: if it all happens in my browser, what prevents me from hacking the environment or even the code itself to produce fake proof? E.g. Can I inject fake SSL vertificates in the OS, then redirect the blockchain retrival request to my raspberry pi, and mislead the code?

kansaludit

One thing most people overlook: your wallet is only as secure as the device it's on. Doesn't matter if you have a hardware wallet if your computer has malware logging your keystrokes when you enter your PIN. Use a clean machine for crypto, keep your OS updated, and never install browser extensions from unverified sources. I've seen more people lose funds to compromised browsers than to actual blockchain exploits.

Ok-Onion-5073

With $SUS rooted in Doge culture and backed by the official Doge OS launchpad, I use Coindepo to securely track my holdings and stake effortlessly. Real community, real growth, no hype, just the way crypto should be.

waldito

It's not a Cold Wallet, but I love Tails with Persistent Storage. It has Electrum preinstalled, an auto-updating OS if needed, and supports dual monitors out of the box. It's secure enough for my paranoia, and if I need to trust something, I would trust Tails.

Luf7swiph

The advantage of bare metal is in my opinion mainly a security advantage and entry barrier for node owners. Performance on bare metal theoretically is better but this will only be a constant percentage performance gain (so it's maybe 10% faster and ONLY IF they are able to manage memory and network better than any OS) - does this really matter? The downside is running directly on UEFI bios (that has bugs and network driver stability depends on uefi drivers). Furthermore such benchmarks are always synthetic in it's way and completely useless in my opinion. All that matters is, if a chain is fast enough to do what it needs to do. Even if it's 'only' 100k transfers per second it's more than enough for every transfer use case. They do several transfers with one transaction. Their 'blocks' are limited to 1024 transactions currently and one block is produced every second in average. So this should be enough for the near future too. Speed is important but only to some degree. Much more important than benchmark speed are the other features in my opinion (consensus model, network stability, smart contracts, oracles, ...).

rankinrez

lol people using crypto on an iphone with way out of date OS.

IAccidentallyCame

Probably best to do it on a laptop that's definitely clean of crap and has all security updates done to the OS, browsers, etc.

EhKurz100

Well, you could just encrypt the seed before printing (e.g. on a live Linux OS booted from USB) or add a passphrase that you store somewhere else.

TheresNoSecondBest

Installing a new OS into a computer is IMHO more difficult than making Krux.

kingo86

They'll be much the same. Your operational security will be a bigger factor. That said, I do think Mac OS provides better patterns to stay secure easily. Mostly because it's a smaller target for malware. By "manage your cold storage" do you mean to say you will be using a hardware wallet? As long as you check addresses and signatures before sending, most hardware wallets will protect you from being hacked - even if your machine is compromised by malware.

hnizdja2

Thanks, really appreciate the thoughtful feedback! API key permissions - 100% agree. The app actually guides users during setup to create keys with trade-only permissions, no withdrawals. Limiting the blast radius even in a worst-case scenario is key. Movin coins out on your own schedule is the way to go. Exchanges: We currently support Coinmate, Binance, Kraken, KuCoin, Bitfinex, Huobi, and Coinbase. Coinmate and Binance are fully tested in production. The others are in experimental mode - they're implemented and should work, but we'd love for people to help verify them. The app has a built-in sandbox mode, and for exchanges that support sandbox/testnet accounts, we use those for testing. If anyone wants to try out one of the experimental exchanges, that'd be a huge help - feedback and bug reports are very welcome. Background task killing - this is honestly the hardest part on Android and we've thrown everything at it: \- WorkManager as the baseline scheduler (15-min minimum interval, Android's own restriction) \- Foreground Service with a persistent notification so the OS treats the process as user-visible \- Battery optimization exemption to survive Doze mode \- Boot receiver to restart DCA scheduling after device reboot Everything's open source so anyone can verify: [Crynners/AccBot: AccBot is an open-source accumulation bot that incrementally purchases BTC based on a DCA strategy to accumulate your portfolio](https://github.com/Crynners/AccBot)

shadyghxst

Headline making it sound like someone can magically “Hack” into your device remotely and drain your wallet but they actually need physical access to the device. Most modern flagship android devices have a Secure Element that store crypto keys outside of the android OS. The article fails to mention which android phones , running which version of android.

Aussiehash

Goatpig's fork is still active on the dev branch, but the last release was 7 years old and most likely won't run on modern desktop OS https://github.com/goatpig/BitcoinArmory

Previous-Dirt5474

One thing that feels underestimated right now is the shift toward full “financial OS” platforms in crypto. For years we’ve had fragmented tools one app for DeFi, another for tracking portfolios, another for trading, another for on-chain activity. What’s starting to emerge now are platforms trying to unify everything into one system: portfolio management, asset allocation, trading, and on-chain interaction in a single interface. If that model works, it could change how people interact with crypto completely. Instead of jumping between 10 tools, people operate from one financial command center. Feels like the early stages of that trend.

Happy-Lynx-918

Gay OS ? what is next ? lesbian kernel ?

DukeLetoAtreides1

Instead of doing useless fucking shit like this they should try making a proper OS for a change

PrettyOwl7768

Ah yeah — without the OS context, "assign nodes to watch each account" sounds like you just reinvented a centralized database with extra steps. The reason it actually works is because the protocol is the OS. The wire format enforces it. You can't opt out of the fee, you can't fake the sequence number, you can't fork around it — because it's not an app running on top of something else, it's the thing everything else runs on. But the moment you start explaining the OS you've lost the Reddit crowd. Nobody's clicking on "I built an operating system that also does money." Maybe the angle isn't the technical mechanism at all. Maybe it's the implication: Title: What if money was never supposed to be a separate system? Body: Every payment system ever built — cash, cards, banks, Bitcoin — treats money as its own thing. A separate ledger. A separate network. A separate protocol. You do work over here, then you go to the money system to get paid over there. But what if every message between two computers just... had a price field in the header? Not a payment API bolted on top. In the header. You can't send a packet without pricing it. You can't receive one without accounting for it. Communication IS payment. They're the same operation. There's no "money system" because every system is already a money system. The fee isn't in a config file you can change. It's in the byte layout. Fork the software, the fee stays. Change the byte layout, nobody can talk to you. The economy is structural, not contractual. What does that kill? Payment processors. Banks. Exchanges. Blockchains. All of them exist because money and communication are separate. Merge them at the protocol level and there's nothing left for those systems to do. I keep looking for why this can't work. What am I missing? \--- No OS, no DHT, no nodes. Just the one idea that money-in-the-wire-format dissolves the entire financial stack. People can understand "what if every packet had a price" without knowing what a ring buffer is.

Commercial-Base-4774

good news for dogecoin! now that it will become a utility coin because of its product Doge OS. I'll just monitor and hide my Dogecoin here in the Nika finance wallet, I'll wait for it to pump. just trust 😁😁

xpresstuning

Checked out the security features, and it's the same deal as with the other dozens out there, with the exception of Bluewallet. They rely on your phone's OS-level encryption + biometrics/PIN for app access. The reason why i mention Bluewallet is because it's the only mobile software wallet that allows you to encrypt the entire app's storage (including your wallet data, seeds, etc.) on top of your phone's built-in encryption, by enabling the "Encrypted Storage" option via a strong password. Meaning, that on top of the OS encryption, you've got Bluewallet's encryption (AES-256), ***and*** the biometrics/PIN. No other wallet does that. And that's the reason why it's the best on mobile. Sparrow being the best on desktop.

HBar-Bull

If the community talked about Bitcoin in full reality I don't think people would be so quick to pour their life savings into this. * Bitcoin is open source software * Bitcoin code has been copied hundreds of times, there is no scarcity at all. You can verify this with your favourite AI, just ask questions regards Bitcoin code copies * You are buying ones and zeroes on a computer, literally there is no coin, you are simply buying a number on the blockchain. (as noted above this OS software can be copied) * There is no mining it's an open source guessing game to get the # (hash) number Speculate have fun and I would recommend investment diversification.

KualaLJ

Yeah I don’t pretend to know anything about it? What OS are these nodes running on? Was an update pushed out?

Tight_Primary_2546

Great answer. Thank you. Let me give you some clarifications about my setup. 1) I took a screenshot of the private and the public keys and group them on an offline computer. Of course the paper wallet were generated on an offline computer with a fresh linux OS. if one of the 3 of my friend loses his house for any reason I can still count on the other 2 usb keys I gave to the other friends. 2) these paper wallets are now stored on a offline usb key in a password manager. Each pwd manager have the same copy. Nobody can access these pwd manager other than my friends as the only know tha password to access it. Your 3) and 4) are valid points as well as the 2-3 multisig. I will learn how to make it and when confident enough I will move what I have into these wallet. Thank you again for your great advice.

Historical-Ice-3254

figured it out. Mac OS was way out of date

jeeptopdown

$250 billion market. Rulebook finalised at COP29. Infrastructure to run it? Doesn't exist yet. That's the gap. That's why we built DOVU OS. 5 live programmes. 31 countries in scope. 6 weeks to Japan's mandatory compliance deadline. [twitter post](https://x.com/dovuofficial/status/2026981795796009252?s=46&t=KhiGxrO00W2s7i6lUQkhQg) LinkedIn doesn’t allow a full article cut and paste. Sorry.

B1ggusDckus

An Open Source person would have cross-compiled in linux OS for windows. Developing straight up in windows shows this was definitely no one from the linux open source community.

B1ggusDckus

No, Len is certainly not Satoshi. Len was a convinced open source guy using linux OS. In contrast, bitcoins first client was written with Microsoft Visual C++ and only running on Windows.

ReliantToker

THE POKER CLIENT IN THE GENESIS CODE ​While most people see Bitcoin as a dry financial protocol, Satoshi’s original vision for the software was surprisingly "social." If you dig into the very first public release of the Bitcoin source code (v0.1.0), you’ll find the structural framework for features that have nothing to do with banking—including an integrated peer-to-peer poker game. ​Satoshi didn’t just want to build a currency; he initially experimented with building an all-in-one "crypto-app" that included an IRC chat client, a virtual marketplace, and the poker app. The "Poker" code was never fully activated, but the stubs for it remain a fossil in the early repository. ​This obscure detail reveals that Satoshi viewed Bitcoin as an "Internet OS" where transactions were just the foundation for human interaction. Eventually, these features were stripped out to keep the code "minimalist" and secure, but the "Poker Protocol" remains proof that the creator of the world's most serious asset was thinking about the fun of the network before the price ever hit a penny.

Nishkiiiii

I'm not sure if my wallet is a hardware or not: Tails OS + Electrum on a USB device. I only connect it to the internet when I want to confirm that a transaction is done. According to your description, it's both a hardware wallet. Sometimes I confuse it with cold wallets.

Givefreehugs

You should grab one of all three crypto coins listed on EDX if you can. Most banks and most ETF bundles will have those three, and they’re about to be bridged with each other through BIT_OS and LitVM.

Zealousideal-Loan655

Deadass wish Graphene OS would come with like a dual boot or something

Realistic_Muscles

Yea, they will also arrest you if you have phone with Graphene OS (happening in both US and Europe).

Radiokot1

Back when Start9 was an OS and Umbrel was software that was installed on top of your own OS, I leaned towards Umbrel because of this. Nowadays Umbrel too fully replaces the OS, which makes it harder to use the server for other purposes or fine-tune installed packages. Running a node + an Electrum server turned out to be **very** easy with just docker-compose.