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Tech question from a Non-Tech Guy

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How I got into Bitcoin... Anecdotal story

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Connected to I2P and TOR

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Bitcoin over I2P and TOR

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Did the US Government Develop Bitcoin?

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Public Policy (Lecture 8 - MIT 2018 lectures about Blockchain & Money)

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Van Nuys, Los Angeles

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Blockchain Regulation Dilemma

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Bitcoin privacy: VPN vs TOR? Why should you use both? Why not self-host? [Bitcoin Basics Podcast]

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Privacy (D)app which dethroned TOR on Exit Nodes numbers, releases $3m fund to attract builders to their new Network

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~Hector Finance Undervalued? Nft Minting Coming Soon / 30% Apr Stables Farming / Giveaways + Agressive Marketing / New Cross-chain Dex / $105m Treasury, $73m Marketcap (+15% In 24hr)!

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A model for a decentralized peer-to-peer web3 crypto-economy.

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~Hector Finance Undervalued? Launched DEX on Fantom | NFTS Coming Soon | 30% APR Stables Farming | Exchange Listings | $100M treasury, $59M MarketCap (+50% in 24hr)!

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What are some coins you believe are extremely undervalued?

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~Hector Finance Undervalued? New Dex / Low fees / 30% apr stables farming / Exchange listings / $100M treasury, $39M MarketCap!

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TOR Stablecoin - 30% APR Farming - $100m treasury

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Communication between 2 bitcoin nodes running TOR

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Everyone says we need easy and cheap markets for non-KYC BTC... So I have done this.

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Everyone says we need easy and cheap markets for non-KYC BTC... So I have done this.

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Monero Node Over TOR

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TOR Stablecoin - 40% APR Farming (DAI/USDC) - Hector Finance - $100m treasury

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That's it, I'm going all in

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Monero Node over TOR

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Hector Finance - TOR is Here - The Stablecoin of FTM

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Looking for a trustworthy non custodial exchange

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Hector Finance - $7.2m yearly budget, 2nd largest project on Fantom

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LOFL Bitcoin is dead...if...

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Hector Finance - preparing to launch TOR, the UST of the Fantom Chain

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Hector Finance Fantom coin token

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Hector Finance: largest treasury on Fantom, most held non-DEX token, the most active team you’ll ever see.

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TIL about wallet.hybrix.io which allow non custodial and decentralised swaps between 32 blockchains and 500 tokens. It runs on DHT and TOR. They also have a bank router so if CEX are made illegal they would still have fiat in and out gates. Your move Biden. Can't stop the signal Mall.

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Brave browser bassic info answers

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Ways I pick up Dust in the Crypto World

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I’m going to DCA/HOLD these 5 cryptos for the next 12 months. Which cryptos are you eyeing for 2022?

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I'm holding/DCAing these 5 currencies for the next 12 months. Anyone want to make predictions?

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Thoughts on Privacy on Blockchains?

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Bitcoin Pre-2009

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How scammers actually spend your money?

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💎TorrentSwap💎 - BitTorrent Chain's first full-featured AMM DEX. Their Presale ends soon.

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The Complete Security Guide to keep you, your computer, and your crypto safe

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Has anyone heard of UNIGRID?

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Fairlaunch🚀 🌐Tor-project token 🌐 💰Initial market Cap: 35BNB Launch time: 28.11.2021 at 17 utc 🐳ANTI BOT & ANTI Whale System

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Why is this a 'fact'? I see all the time that the number of private and TOR nodes is much higher than public nodes. How do you (or anyone) know? Can anyone raise their hand and for sure say they know someone who runs a private node? ​ Not criticizing, genuinely curious where this comes from.

Mentions:#TOR

What is this TOR outage you speak of?

Mentions:#TOR

I think you mean I2P. But the above doesn't account for I2P nodes. The TOR and I2P networks are private. The above showcases PUBLIC nodes. The number of overall nodes is much, much higher when taking into account TOR, I2P, and other private networks.

Mentions:#TOR

BTC nodes exiting TOR change ip's frequently and may be over represented in the tracking. A new batch of exit nodes or ip's could impact this, though probably can't account for all of this.

Mentions:#BTC#TOR

I was thinking that too, but more realistically this is probably just [bitnodes.io](https://bitnodes.io) discovering a load of nodes as they switch from TOR to ipv4 given the TOR outage lately

Mentions:#TOR

Billions of dollars were spent trying to destroy the MP3 format. They wanted to make it illegal. All kinds of industry united and worked with the federal government, hoping to remove the MP3 format from being used for music downloads. I remember selling one of the first [Diamond Rio](https://www.amazon.com/Slacker-RIO-PMP300-Diamond-Digital/dp/B00000JBAT) boxes to a customer who wanted to buy as many as he could before the government banned them. Now if you know enough about technology, you would know what MP3 is, how it's used, and why it's a great tool. Back then, you would see how ridiculous it was to go around trying to ban a digital format. And the same thing happened again with TOR networks. There's a pattern here. When you know enough about the technology and the systems that are in play, you aren't concerned with the folks that don't understand. They're on the outside looking in. It's as if I'm actually playing the game and they're just shouting suggestions on the sideline, eating hotdogs and telling me to run faster. Am I going to trust them to come up with a gameplan? They've never even stood on the playing field. So learn about bitcoin. Once you know what the tech does, you won't be worried about ignorant people with loud opinions.

Mentions:#RIO#TOR

They can, it could take a while. Deep packet inspection is usually handled at the CPU level and the big network routers out there route much more traffic through their hardware accelerators than their CPUs can handle so it's not straightforward to do that on a large network. Knowing the traffic is irrelevant as the P2P gossip protocol is not encrypted. Despite that - any Bitcoin user today also knows the private key and the public key for their transactions and signed messages, and yet they cannot break the encryption on another wallet unless the implementation is wrong - an example of incorrect implementation is when a wallet reuses the ECDSA K value. Having two signed messages with the same K value and public key allows one to compute the private keys. The IPs for the Bitcoin network are not static so if it takes too much time to compound the list it will be invalid by the time you cover a good number of nodes. Bitcoin does not ask for proof that a node is legit before sending the signed transaction data over. Since the transaction is signed and public anyway, it just gossips to as many nodes as possible. It doesn't require certificates nor does it require actual IPs (the gossip protocol provides its own identifier for each node.) A fake node can censor a transaction provided it was the only node that saw that transaction. People running the TOR network cannot see traffic within the TOR network by definition of what onion routing is. They can see what exits the TOR network via TOR relays but that's largely irrelevant as many nodes are hooked up to both and act as relays outside of TORs scope and sidestepping the relays. Again it doesn't matter if they can monitor this anyway since the data is only signed and not encrypted as it's meant to be part of a public ledger that anyone can download an examine.

Mentions:#CPU#TOR

Bitcoin traffic isn't encrypted. Does not need to be. It's just signatures and blocks. There is nothing to decrypt in DeCrYpTiOn FaRm. Not a thing btw. TLS is really quite good, better than enigma for sure; that's why it's in such widespread usage everywhere on the internet. Bitcoin nodes are not authenticated with certs. And bitcoin priv keys are not sent, EVER, in plaintext traffic, or over TOR. Whatever you do with routers wouldn't matter. Changing data on the wire will invalidate the transaction signatures and all transactions you edited will be dropped by all nodes and miners.

Mentions:#EVER#TOR

That was a good place to seed my reading, thanks. But I still don’t think it’s impossible to find all the Bitcoin servers, if a hacker is persistent and well funded. If a router is hacked, can the hacker get a list of servers being used for Bitcoin (ex, deep packet inspection, or even routing server traffic to a decryption farm)? Remember that the hacker can use a client to generate the traffic being decrypted, and so knows his own private keys and all public keys, plus their own messages before encryption (which is how Allied forces broke Enigma, by knowing that every message contained an identical phrase). Hackers could also mark legit servers as “unsafe” so routers automatically block those, right? So, using the above, over the long-haul, can a list of servers be accumulated? Note that as servers are invalidated, the rest become easier to identify since more Bitcoin traffic will be pushed to them. And even on TOR, a server must prove it is authentic to a Bitcoin client seeking a “transaction confirmation” by requiring the server to provide a certificate that includes its actual IP, right? Or, do confirmations not require cert’s? If not, could a hacker deny a confirmation they a rogue server? A part of the TOR network can also be run by the hackers, so they have some inside knowledge of private keys and a (limited) view of traffic, too, that can be captured and decrypted offline.

Mentions:#TOR

All of them. And after that you'll need to know the address of every Bitcoin node so they can be blocked. You'll also need to know the address of every TOR node to block nodes running off something like Wasabi wallet.

Mentions:#TOR

One thing that matters is people whose economic activity matters refusing to change their full nodes, thus ensuring that chain and its associated currency remain valuable. Run your own node (Relaying blocks and transactions is useful), use it (privacy for you), run a LN node (route LN payments), run TOR. All this helps the network.

Mentions:#LN#TOR

Can't stop me from accessing Starlink and using TOR baby.

Mentions:#TOR

How do you know if the creator is not actually the government itself? Remember TOR was made public to hide the intelligence service operations in plain sight.

Mentions:#TOR

It's funny the amount of people who are ignorant of TOR and VPN. If it was possible to shut down Bitcoin then they'd be able to shut down Torrenting piracy, but they can't. They even sent the founders of The Pirate Bay to prison, but yet the website Is still up and running till this day. Government can't stop something that's decentralized. I swear people who FUD Bitcoin are genuinely retarded.

Mentions:#TOR#FUD

Okay Boomer never heard of TOR and VPN? How they gonna stop me when my connection is disguised and off the grid. Government tried to stop Torrenting but guess what. Torrent is still up and running till this day.

Mentions:#TOR

I'll save you the trouble. That conversation has played out many times here. There's controversy and bickering but all paths lead to a couple conclusions; 1.*The* blockchain is a global, immutable, eternal, triple entry accounting ledger offering *Pseudo-Anonymity* with unfathomable potential for surveillance. 2.*At the same time*, and without contradiction, the Bitcoin network and protocol can offer a very high level of privacy by using "mixing", a technique used to break the links between BTC addresses by trading or swapping Bitcoins back and forth with other addresses to make the transaction trail more difficult to follow, but these transactions may still be linked to your IP address so VPN and TOR are also needed for optimal privacy. Other blockchains are natively more private, rendering Bitcoin *suboptimal* as a tool for crime. As a sub plot, layer 2 (AKA the Lightning Network, or LN) can provide additional obfuscation of your identity[as well as a host of other benefits], and as far as most people care to agree, the present liquidity equivalent in USD on the LN renders it unsuitable for organized criminal enterprise.

My node is located in another country via VPN + TOR. Good luck shutting it down 👍🏼

Mentions:#TOR

Technically speaking, this is 50% correct. Due to the \*\*unique\*\* level of decentralisation achieved by the BTC network, it would not be viable/feasible to apprehend every single operator's node. Further, if the above became true, they'd only be able to do so with public nodes. There is a vast portion of operators operating within the TOR network, I2P network, and others. Further, it becomes trivial to hide the traffic by changing the TCP Port, and tunnelling it over different protocols too.

Mentions:#BTC#TOR#TCP

> i am not sure if you understand how the system work on a technical level (especially how new updates come into the system) Most nodes probably run on TOR, good luck even finding them to pay. Also good luck paying half the system. Based on what we know of the CIA's history of cover ops even decades ago, I don't think they would find locating the right kneecaps to break particularly har. And they don't need to terminate every node or version of the coin, just create enough continual chaos that people lose faith in the concept. Someone serious WILL come after the pot of gold if BTC keeps growing, and the Crypto community is completely so enamoured with technology and high-flying ideals it is completely unprepared for realpolitik aggression.

Mentions:#TOR#CIA#BTC

i am not sure if you understand how the system work on a technical level (especially how new updates come into the system) Most nodes probably run on TOR, good luck even finding them to pay. Also good luck paying half the system. And even then you basically create a hardfork. So you have one half with your new expaned supply and the remaining ones in the old one. All coin exist in both. The ones you paid sell their old system coins, the other ones sell your new ones and thank you for the free fiat. Now comes the interesting part: Which one will be stronger, which one will survive? The one with the stronger incentives. The one more people want. So the one that is safe and not inflatable. As you saw with btc cash, a split wont end btc, and the old btc will still keep it's promise Dont get me wrong, i read a bit on history, and i think goverments/people will try to undermine it. FUD, laws and attacks on the code. But they wont succed. I also thinka lot of crypto is scam/gamble or stupid money. 99% of all crypto projects are central. I agree that many people have no clue about a lot of things and still invest. But BTC isnt and i think it would survive those attacks (https://coinmarketcap.com/de/currencies/bitcoin-cash/) btc cash, look for the ATH, it was basicall right when the hardfork happend

Mentions:#TOR#FUD#BTC

fixedfloat.com is a non-KYC crypto exchange. There is a TOR-based anonymous exchange called RoboSats. On YouTube channel BTC Sessions you can find video about it and also about other non-KYC places. Also Bitcoins bought through a KYC exchange probably can be mixed through CoinJoin and similar process — don’t have experience with it myself, but you should look into it.

Mentions:#TOR#BTC

It was really nice because we used computers. People who only use smartphones don't realize how bad they have it. Computers are something like 5-10x faster at data input with keyboards. They have plenty of screen real estate, so important controls are always visible and easy to find. Larger size and power budgets mean that you always have plenty of processing power available and don't run out of battery. Wired network connections rarely drop out and get 10x lower latency. It's easy to install open source operating systems, so I don't have to worry about whether Google or Apple are spying on me. There's plenty of extra network and processing power to run privacy tool like TOR. If I could fit my laptop in my pocket, I wouldn't own a cell phone.

Mentions:#TOR

I think NFTs are the real worlds Skynet. Once nftNet goes live, the internet as we know it will be destroyed. Once the US sets up NFT tagging on all e-communication and e-items the chains of governance will start choking the net as we know it. Later, NFT tagging will be applied on TCP packages, giving the US control on an "atomic" level. Most users will be forced onto this prison-net and be happy about it. They can still farm likes. Minor community-nets will be born, grow up and then crushed. The internet dark ages will arrive. From the depths of the dark web however, there is a prophecy. A new and free net will rise CONNecting the wORld again. It's name will be TOR CONNOR!

Mentions:#TCP#TOR

The easy way: Breez wallet + POS on an iPad The right way: Umbrel or Citadel server at home, BTCPAY app installed on it, with a shop or POS plugin installed there, and TOR into it (or use a reverse proxy to make it available on the clear web) with an iPad. Both are non custodial, but the BTCPay way gives you full control of your own node. I did just put out a video about Breez https://youtu.be/LxkrUvrfNAI

Mentions:#POS#TOR

The bitcoin mining difficulty automatically adjusts every 2016 blocks which is approximately every two weeks. The mining difficulty automatically increases or decreases after 2016 blocks depending on the time between the previous 2016 blocks. If the time between those blocks averages out to less than ten minutes, then the mining difficulty will increase and miners will become less profitable. If the time between those blocks averages out to more than ten minutes, then the mining difficulty will decrease and miners will become more profitable. So if some bitcoin miners stop mining bitcoin because it's no longer profitable for them, the mining difficulty will decrease and it will become more profitable to mine bitcoin. I'm not going to attempt to answer your other "what if" questions. But I will remind you that things like TOR, I2P, and VPNs do exist.

Mentions:#TOR

What will it change if we subject crypto to authoritarian control through increasing regulation ? Was the point of crypto all along to become a clumsy imitation of fiat ? Do people just want their fiat with dog logos ? I don't get these "crypto" people. Crypto is not meant to replace fiat, nor does mass adoption mean people start using it to buy milk from the corner store, it works pretty badly for that. Crypto is like TOR network. It is an absolutely vital bastion of freedom of speech and information, but it makes zero sense to do all your browsing through TOR. Crypto is like that, but instead of freedom of speech, it protects freedom of commerce and freedom of contract. Take away that by regulations and crypto becomes an inefficient imitation of fiat. Why bother with crypto ? Why not go straight for CBDC:s then ?

Mentions:#TOR

The argument of crypto is bad because it's being used for illegal activity is a long-lived conversation that's been rebuttaled multiple times. Banks help launder over $2 trillion dollars a year, does that mean fiat is only around because of illegal activity? It's much harder to use crypto for illegal purposes, which is why it only makes up a very tiny percent of it's total activity ([0.15% percent of total volume used for illicit activity report from Jan 2022](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/only-0-15-total-crypto-174206641.html)). If a criminal would want to use crypto, they'd have to have a proper computer setup which makes them anonymous, know how to use TOR probably. With cash, well it's paper that isn't recorded where it's been. Crypto has it's uses, I don't think it's going to overthrow fiat but it will not go away

Mentions:#TOR

>This should be plenty enough for anybody. If you're a persecuted journalist, laundering for a cartel, pushing major drug weight, or financing Palestinian resistance, then you'll need a node, and some CLI skills. In this case, I'd propose something fairly simple - Run a node via TOR, get Samourai or Sparrow Wallet, and use Whirlpool to coinjoin and mix 24/7 and get easy access to collaborative coin spends.

Mentions:#TOR

I can't post threads, so I thought I would share some much needed encouragement in this subreddit and post my experience with bitcoin since 2011. After first hearing about Bitcoin in early 2011 from a gaming forum regarding TOR, I was interested like many others mainly to buy weed illegally. I tried signing up back then, but was turned off by needing to take a picture of my ID and sending it to some random site. So I ignored bitcoin, but continued to watch from the sidelines the insanity of the double digits to the low hundreds. Continued ignoring it, then the insanity from the low hundreds to the 1k rally. I thought surely, this was the peak. Then 2017 happens... This time I wasn't going to ignore Bitcoin. Having watched the previous cycles, I knew the crash was coming, and made my first bitcoin and eth investment in Feb of 2018, after it had fallen over 50% from its 20k high. I went on to buy a few more dips, only to see it drop even more... I stopped buying, and the price ultimately capitulated all the way to the 3k range... I thankfully didn't sell because I had made the decision when initially investing, that I was willing to let it go to 0. Things stayed dormant, until late 2020. All of a sudden, bitcoin started coming on the news again, family members and coworkers you wouldn't expect started talking about bitcoin again. So I got worried, preparing for a repeat of 2018. Early January of 2021 it peaked to 40k, before sharply falling to 30k, and that is when I sold everything. I just came back in the market for the long term today at 21k, and bought a few btc that I don't plan on touching for the next few years. Will it go a little lower? Most likely. Will it crash to a lower level like today? Possible. But ultimately, it will go back up and I am ready to hold for the long term. It has reached the low level I set for myself back in Jan of 2021 when I last pulled out. Stick to your guns, and do not fall victim to impulse. Buy now, start DCAing, and hang tight. NOW is the time for DCA and getting into the market with a long term investment. This should go without saying, invest only what you are willing to completely lose. P.S. stay away from all alts, including Eth for now...

Mentions:#TOR

Counter party risk. Self custody Bitcoin has no counter party. It’s literally the entire point. Everything else is a liability on someone else’s balance sheet and an IOU. Lightning over TOR is probably what you’re looking for.

Mentions:#TOR

When I was a teenager I had 2 btc I bought around $150 when I thought I was gonna buy molly on TOR but then I waited too long and the market got INTERPOL’d so I just deleted the wallet and didn’t save the seed phrase - now I work at a company in the industry cause I like to remind myself daily how much I fucked up

Mentions:#TOR

Congrats. If you haven’t already you should move your private keys off the devices that are connected to the internet, best probably to generate a new wallet on a cold wallet like ColdCard that was NEVER connected to the internet or PC (it’s a good barrier to malware and remote access to private keys) and never will be and move the BTC onto it. Also properly back up a seed phrase on metal if you haven’t already. Too many whole coiners are losing their savings forever because of not properly backing up the seed. Also it’s definitely time to run your own node through TOR to hide your IP address.

Mentions:#BTC#TOR

Kraken is a large KYC exchange that does a lot of XMR business. Many non-KYC exchanges like [TradeOgre](https://tradeogre.com) exist. [OrangeFren](https://orangefren.com/) is an awesome tool, it checks a bunch of XMR exchanges and find you the best offer. This year the [Haveno DEX](https://haveno.exchange) will launch. It uses XMR as the base pair, *is fully decentralized, and runs on TOR.* **No government will be able to stop it.**

Mentions:#XMR#DEX#TOR

How do you know it's the third one ?(unless you own an island lol) Umbral runs through the TOR network so it would be very difficult to determine the real ip of the node.

Mentions:#TOR

[https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08B6F1FV5/ref=ppx\_yo\_dt\_b\_asin\_title\_o02\_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08B6F1FV5/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B089C6LZ42/ref=ppx\_yo\_dt\_b\_asin\_title\_o02\_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B089C6LZ42/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M08LCXW/ref=ppx\_yo\_dt\_b\_asin\_title\_o02\_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M08LCXW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) Those are what I used in my pi. 1TB is required if you want to allow the blockchain to keep growing for any decent length of time, I went with 2TB so I could use the pi for other stuff too. ​ I run two Bitcoin full nodes now, Last year I made the pi my TOR based node for privacy as well as it's other super cool features for UmbrelOS like pihole, lightning, etc. The main node I run on a VM and is publicly available since 2013, it's on a VM so I can control it's throughput at 100mbit instead of allowing it to use my entire 1gig connection.

Mentions:#LZ#TOR

Are the components which are meant to harness the power of these emmisions an efficient use of resources themselves, or would the resources be better leveraged in different use cases? marginally greener mining, great; but are there objectively better ways to be using that waste energy and/or are the processors better off being used for something *other than mining*? yes, it's brilliant to make use of "waste energy" but are there not better ways to use it? a TOR relay for example, because of course we could, the question is in what *should* we do? or away from webhosting, can that microprocessor's clock cycles be better used in a robot to make somsones life better? yeah, we can hash big numbers ad nauseam; but what if we gave priority to an automated GPIO function and mined only when the device isn't needed for other uses? stopping at mining with excess energy is such a travesty when it can be harnessed for more than just that

Mentions:#TOR

TOR exists tho

Mentions:#TOR

Algorand's promise to tackle a trilemma is good and all. But I do have some brewing skepticism about the project after reading the above posts and doing preliminary research; bear in mind that I am not a software developer nor a trader and my accolades can be easily described as modest at best and "wall of shame" at worst. Several keywords as a preface to methodology for preliminary research from existing studies include *byzantine fault tolerance (BFT) protocols* popular in proof-of-stake projects and *byzantine agreement (BA)* that is currently utilized by Algorand. [Lepore et al.](https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/mathematics/mathematics-08-01782/article_deploy/mathematics-08-01782-v2.pdf?version=1603252080) on section 5.4 describes pure proof-of-stake as "untested." I would read the above article as referenced... but it is quite unfortunate that I have no access to the full paper; hence, my conclusion is to look elsewhere. The security analysis on 2019 by [Conti et al.](https://arxiv.org/pdf/1901.10019.pdf) had surmised that it is possible to simply just corrupt the small number of honest nodes in order to initiate an attack to delay the message (probably read that wrong, but give me some time). The attackers can just use TOR to mask themselves (at least that is what the paper had suggested). On a further reading, I have come across this relatively less difficult table to read on comparison of consensus protocols by [Xiao et al.](https://arxiv.org/pdf/1904.04098.pdf) on the Appendix section, specifically on Table III and Table IV. I'm still reading up... preliminary findings and all. I have to Google up other stuffs again to further my understanding about the paper. Again, I have zero knowledge on computer science and limited understanding on their practical use; as such, take my interpretations with a grain of salt.

Mentions:#BFT#BA#TOR

thanks for sharing, i love TOR

Mentions:#TOR

Just use TOR on brave and search whatever the fuck you want

Mentions:#TOR

Dude it’s and etherium Web 3.0 wallet that pays you to watch ads you can use for gas it has direct access to TOR AND THE WAYBACK BROWSER this is an advanced browser guys

Mentions:#TOR
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You know when you watch videos on TOR you slow the whole network down. Just remember that when you use tor and wonder why it’s so slow.

Mentions:#TOR
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Basic Attention Token run by The Brave Browser #TOR

Mentions:#TOR
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It doesn't completely disconnect TOR, VPN, blockstream satellite and more options !

Mentions:#TOR

Suddenly the "CIA made TOR to catch the baddies" don't sound so crazy anymore

Mentions:#CIA#TOR

When I used it, every time I tried to exchange between coins, it used changelly as their backend - which is a known total shit/fraud service. Who also demanded KYC. So I assumed at the time that was their one and only partner, since I never got another option. I've since learned (just now) that they have "multiple" backend partners, and (inexplicably) claim to not require KYC. So, I don't know what to believe, but it's at least possible that my "sucks" assessment was unfairly limited and biased. Using a wallet to exchange coins is going to be a ripoff regardless, so probably shouldn't be a gating factor for "legit" or just non-privacy-focused use-cases anyway. (For non-privacy use-cases, just send coins to a CEX, swap there for very little spread, then send back - assuming low % gas fees back and forth.) But either way for me, the lack of multiple portfolios in Atomic is a dealbreaker. Coinomi and Exodus have those. (And Coinomi IIRC uses TOR networking by default, and other privacy-enhancing features. Exodus supports multiple "portfolios", Coinomi supports multiple full-blown wallets in one app instance - but limited coins.) If you can say, what coin is missing from Exodus that Atomic has?

Mentions:#CEX#TOR

Anyone else use Brave browser almost exclusively? Live the TOR features, and auto ad blockers

Mentions:#TOR

Node communicate together and you can usually see which IP your node connect with. Considering many wants the minimum connection ping for their node vpn and especially TOR can be detrimental to it. But I guess if you really want privacy then yes you could go this route.

Mentions:#TOR

How are they able to see where mining is happening? Is it simply through viewing IP addresses? And, could those not be faked (via using VPN or TOR, etc.)?

Mentions:#TOR
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That’s the part I still don’t understand. Why are US residents tied to the limited version? Almost want to just TOR to the .com but I’d need a foreign account then to tie it too.

Mentions:#TOR

[Hence the power of TOR and being anonymous legally.](https://twitter.com/wintonARK/status/1467989847256100865) The IRS needs to prove in a court of law *you* control both wallets. Not always the case. For the article it's to demonstrate that artwork can indeed be depreciated. One could create a NFT that degrades over time in the smart contract. You could prove to the IRS that the asset loses all value at X date in the future. One can depreciate the asset and then sell for capital gains at some point in the future. This isn't some actual scenario I am putting forth here, I'm just trying to demonstrate possible avenues one could use as a basis to structure tax avoidance.

Mentions:#TOR
r/BitcoinSee Comment

Seconded. One minor point is it will not work if somewhere along the line (local or ISP) VPN and TOR access is being blocked.

Mentions:#ISP#TOR

Private - the IRS has a massive prize out for anyone who can decrypt the blockchain. They don't for any other crypto. That alone should tell you something about its value. It's what everyone thought bitcoin was at first: a genuinely private fungible token Decentralized - users add to the network by downloading the entire blockchain and running their own nodes. Anyone can do this, it's dummy easy and running a personal node adds an extra privacy layer. You can however connect to a public node remotely, usually run by a community member, if you dont wanna download a like 130gb file, you just lose that layer of privacy. CPU mining - If you have a computer, you can mine this coin. No need for pricey gpus or ASICs as randomx is optimized to run on the cpu, and is not worth mining on anything else. Furthermore, scaling up a mining operation gets extremely pricy to the point of it just not being worth it as instead of just a bunch of gpus linked together, you need the WHOLE setup: cpu, mobo, power supply, and RAM. This prevents a small number of people from hogging all the hashrate, decentralizing even mining. The GUI wallet has p2pool integration right in it now. No dev fee, open source pool mining right in the wallet gui (which also runs a private node) that pays out faster than most other pools. TOR - you can set up a node that you can access remotely with all the traffic routed through tor, adding ANOTHER privacy layer on top of this already impenetrable privacy onion lol. To me, XMR is end-game crypto. Ethereum has smart contracts and NFTs, XMR has privacy and fungibility. I truly don't see a need for any other crypto besides these two. Look at the XMR boards: we got eaten alive the last week, way worse than most others, and there was almost no panic posting whatsoever. People really believe in this tech. They aren't gambling, they're supporting a network they believe in.

The thing is, Crypto as a currency can continue to function fine. I've continued to use Crypto for payment settlement for a decade now and the volatility barely affects me. These crashes are essentially meaningless, at it's worst I might lose point or two while the transaction is being confirmed. But that evens out with times it gains. However Crypto as an asset? An investment? I'd argue everyone investing in Crypto are the people not understanding how it works or what it is and you better believe the regulations will have real impact. Even just in the last few years pretty much every country's tax agency has started paying attention, KYC requirements everywhere and so on. DEX can survive but will almost certainly be getting pushed onto TOR.

Mentions:#DEX#TOR

Presume you just love ETH though.. if ADA is a shitcoin so is ETH. XMR is the only coin that without question has real value in that list not just speculative. Like it or not the TOR markets run on XMR and BTC with most preferring XMR these days. ERGO is just legitimately good devs that have a good balance of BTC security and ETH smart technology. I'm unbiased they're all good, I was around to see them be introduced, I just love crypto technology and potential. ETH is an amazing crypto with greater development than ADA but ADA has a lot of stable foundational work, and for a running PoS chain does some really impressive work.

lmao the stablecoin TOR trending. it works even worse than LUNA but ppl will never learn i guess

Mentions:#TOR#LUNA
r/BitcoinSee Comment

How in the world do my well-written 1000 words essays talking about Bitcoin making the world a better place get flagged or need moderator approval while this goes right through? Might be that I use TOR, or I use a newer account. Shouldn't have lurked so long and started posting a few years back ;(

Mentions:#TOR

Not everything can be supported by TOR. TOR like every wallet has its own. If you want feature you can use VPN.

Mentions:#TOR

We should have called previous Ukraine presidents to not kill the 15k in Donbass too I guess.. At this point just move to something else without KYC.. If you want to go to the extreme checkout the open source / decentralized Bisq network.. Superior to all the existing garbage and routed through TOR. There are more exchangers without KYC.. I am not Russian but moved out of Binance because of the mass-cancelling of Russian citizens, I mean one day my country will decide to do something that the west doesn't like and I will get robbed by those services too.. Because if those freaks cared about humanity then they would do something about NATO in Iraq, Israel in Palestine, US in Somalia too.. While we are speaking the US and Israel are occupying illegally northern parts of Syria..

Mentions:#TOR

Coinbase makes me verify my identity like every six months. I stopped using them to onramp fiat altogether and just go through RoboSats. As was predicted by Satoshi in 2010 government has made it such a pain in the fucking ass that I'd rather buy crypto from random fucking strangers on a TOR site.

Mentions:#TOR

Can I connect my MetaMask/Phantom wallet to TOR browser? If so, how do I do so?

Mentions:#TOR

>Bitcoin is great but it's currently not cable of replacing all financial institutions around the globe. It would get bogged down and become very expensive sooner or later. This is not the purpose of bitcoin. I don't understand this kind of crypto maximalism. Crypto is not supposed to take over all aspects of your life. It is to freedom of commerce what TOR network is for freedom of speech. Invaluable, and useful for many, essential for some. I'm very glad we have it and use it sometimes, but it makes zero sense whatsoever to route all my internet traffic through TOR, in fact doing so would be a liability. Crypto is not solution to everything, and it is certainly not meant to replace all financial institutions. It is meant to replace only the ones it is better suited for, and even then it doesn't apply to all people. We have different needs. For example, a whistleblower being hunted down by their government has a pretty different need for privacy tools compared to a guy who wants to hide from their employer the fact they are watching furry porn on coffee break using company wifi...

Mentions:#TOR
r/BitcoinSee Comment

What the if the blacklisted wallet transfers balance to a new wallet? Ban that new wallet? What if blacklisted wallet poisons good wallets by sending them transactions. It would be pointless because: a) majority of nodes are not gonna block wallets as it goes directly against the spirit of Bitcoin. b) it would be impossible to keep track of all wallets as they can just keep creating new ones every time. c) nodes connect in a decentralized fashion. Now a good number even run on top of TOR network. Making it very difficult to stop nodes from Russia from participating.

Mentions:#TOR

TOR is the best way to be anonymous on the web. Every privacy advocate reccomends it

Mentions:#TOR

Never understood why he was such a big deal. Almost everything he leaked was publicly known about before he leaked it. He shilled for TOR (NSA runs so many exit nodes they practically run TOR). Zcash is the only privacy coin endorsed by a state intelligence group- the guys he leaked about no less. I don't know why but I just never trusted him. The CIA/NSA can listen to everyone's phones like Batman but they can't catch a guy moving hundreds of classified documents to a USB stick inside a secure network...

Mentions:#TOR#CIA

if the CIA created bitcoin, then we already know some of the seed words from the first wallet: EAGLE GUN FREEDOM WAR TOR NET TRIANGLE ... (probably all words hidden on US dollar bills)

There is a scenario where the CIA/NSA created Bitcoin. They were certainly on the leading edge of cryptography and its applications. They have essentially limitless resources and highest concentration of cryptography professionals in the world. The US government also created TOR and GPS for military-related work. It's certainly well within their capabilities. Why would they release Bitcoin into the public you ask? Well, without validation from the public, it would be nothing but an idea. Until the public assigns a real value to something like BTC, it's just a neat math project. So in this scenario, they decided to let it out in the wild and see what develops. Keeping in mind that they have a huge pre-mine (the Satoshi coins), the logic is as follows. If they don't create cryptocurrency, someone else will. If someone else creates it, they will be at a disadvantage. They will have no control over the situation. So, once you discover cryptocurrency, your options are to hide it from the world and hope it never sees the light of day, or launch it under your terms. I think that if the NSA or whoever created BTC, they would realize that it is only a matter of time until someone else creates it independently. So, they pre-mined it, launched it without any public endorsement through a random pseudonym. Now they have the first mover advantage and a natural influence over the sphere. No point publicizing their position. It could even jeopardize the project. If people knew it was created by the US government, they could flock to other projects. Instead, they let it carve its own path, knowing their political adversaries have no control or influence. China certainly wants nothing to do with Bitcoin. They want to launch their own form of digital currency. Just a potential scenario. Not saying it's high probability, but it's certainly plausible.

Mentions:#CIA#TOR#BTC

Perhaps like TOR, Bitcoin was created by the CIA to move money around the world secretly.

Mentions:#TOR#CIA
r/BitcoinSee Comment

>Nodes in the EU will likely be banned Have fun! Nodes are usually run by technically literate individuals. Ever heard of TOR or a VPN? >Cash ramps are regulated heavily, and will just have to shut down for citizens in those countries, meaning you can't easily convert to/from cash Converting Bitcoin to cash? What for purpose? There are, and will be, many ways to use your Bitcoin as a loan collateral, that is enough for me. >You end up holding a resource that won't be spendable in a wide adoption future, and you can't get rid of it without doing something illegal. It won't be spendable in that jurisdiction only. LN will be a nice way to hide your transactions. >The government may do a pennies on the dollar cash-for-guns type deal where you send your BTC to them for small recompense "A fool and his money are soon parted" ...... so yeah.... they can't really do much.

Mentions:#TOR#LN#BTC
r/BitcoinSee Comment

For the IP part you may not want to use a VPN. Instead of trusting your ISP, you are trusting a random company with your data. And if you are not using something like mullvad paid in crypto or in cash, they have your payment info to track you down. Use TOR for privacy.

Mentions:#ISP#TOR
r/BitcoinSee Comment

You don't need a hardware wallet. But you do need an internet connected device capable of running a bitcoin wallet. ​ I'd never fucking enter by seed into a public bitcoin ATM though so no, that is not a solution. ​ Hypothetically and ideally, you would want to own said device or you would want to own a USB stick so you can boot TOR onto a computer you don't own.

Mentions:#ATM#TOR
r/BitcoinSee Comment

tldr; Bitcoin transactions can definitely be traced, as soon as we send a transaction through the Bitcoin network, nodes need to confirm the transactions are correct and miners protect the network by processing them. Bitcoin is not private, but there are ways to make it more secure for our privacy by avoiding exchanges, mining your own coins, using a Bitcoin node connected to your wallet (through TOR) and a VPN to protect your information. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.*

Mentions:#TOR#DYOR
r/BitcoinSee Comment

I use coingecko API which if I understand correctly they use a collection of sources. It only updates when you load the page, so it doesn't refresh on demand for now. Might be good to either add more sources (in case coingecko call fails, which happens sometimes when using TOR) and to be able to manually or automatically refresh the value.

Mentions:#TOR
r/BitcoinSee Comment

What wallet app are you using, and does it allow connecting to TOR nodes?

Mentions:#TOR
r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

Browser support for IPFS, ENS, TOR, etc. Complete independence from ICANN, censorship, tracking.

Mentions:#ENS#TOR
r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

If you are just ~~investing~~ gambling decentralisation is just a nonsensical buzzword. If you give a shit about the tech and the project is open source, and has a public blockchain, decentralisation is useless. If you feel someone is taking over the chain, fork it and move on. The most awesome projects today like Linux, GNU, Firefox, TOR, OPENSSL, GNUPGP are open source and **not** decentralised, and they are our last hope to have any sort of freedom.

Mentions:#TOR
r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

Wow, that escalated quickly. Save the children and all that. Maybe you don't care, but many people do. Besides, sometimes things that are illegal are not immoral, and vice versa. Sometimes we need to break laws to make the world a better place. Not all crimes are evil, and not all laws are good. Somewhere person can be stoned to death for watching gay porn. You still think that he deserves to be caught because what he does is illegal where he lives ? Not all laws are good. Privacy tools like crypto, help to challenge unjust laws. I muat wonder, if you think that way, why are you on r/cryptocurrency in the first place. One of the main reasons crypto was created to bypass government control and provide anonymity and freedom for it's users. Crypto is to freedom of commerce what TOR network is for freedom of speech. There is lots of exploitation material and illegal stuff on TOR too. The funny thing about freedom is that it can be used to do harmful things too. It is up to individuals how they use their freedom. Some people might think that some people abusing their freedom is a valid reason to take away freedom from everyone. I don't. That's why I'm into crypto and support TOR project monetarily (via crypto).

Mentions:#TOR
r/BitcoinSee Comment

The nodes on the lightning network determine the routing. Much like TCP/IP routing. "Routing works like TOR" means no one node knows the entire path through the network. It's a 'need to know' type deal for the sake of privacy and security. The node only knows the next node in the path. That's the idea of the onion - many layers. Intermediaries have to sign only if that's written into the contract. Multiple-signature requirements are an option, but not a requirement. The channel is just a smart contract agreement between parties. It is possible to keep the channel open for multiple payments. I'm not sure how Bob got all the money, but I'm sure he wouldn't mind if you continued funding it.

Mentions:#TCP#TOR
r/BitcoinSee Comment

TOR Browser, you mean the one that's based off Mozilla? Based off that framework, and considering that fiat is equally bad as shitcoins or worse, I assume you live in the woods with your BTC and don't touch anything that has touched fiat either?

Mentions:#TOR#BTC
r/BitcoinSee Comment

Yes, lightning was designed and used years before the shitcoin browser read more. I dont use mozilla (they are worse SJW banning pow coins), I mainly use TOR browser but Id rather use anything (not google) before that shitcoin browser! Support that shit is suport shitcoin creators.

Mentions:#TOR
r/BitcoinSee Comment

Its not very different from other browsers tbh. Nothing some extensions cant fix in other browsers. If you want real privacy use TOR. Rest is bullshit.

Mentions:#TOR
r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

I'm here for the TOR play!

Mentions:#TOR
r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

Dr. JAN I TOR!

Mentions:#TOR
r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

These points assume everything is being done on layer 1. 1, 3 and 4 could all be done via lightning, who's gonna wait 10 + minutes for confirmation and pay fees possibly greater than the price of a cupcake for a cupcake? Point 2 works both ways the supplier would be able to see the buyers wallet, but the buyer would be able to see the suppliers and then in the same way be able to see what the suppliers were charging everyone else or at least make an educated guess. Maybe (probably not) this could lead to more openess about money. We have it ingrained in to us that money, how much we have, how much we spend, how much we earn, has to be a secret. That its vulgar and arrogant to discuss or talk about these things, but this transparency leads to other good things. It would be harder for employers to pay people that do the same job different salaries, or imagine (however unlikely it is the happen) that you could track the tax you paid and see exactly where it went and what it was spent on, assuming government departments and the companies/contracts they paid have known addresses, which as they are trying to force us to do exactly this, they will have to follow their own rules (I know that's a joke). For all of the points Monero is that answer but that's a different debate. It's not hard now to run your own btc node and lightening node all through TOR. Fund your own lightning channel, cheaply buy an big incoming channel (BIGLN) and then you are pretty much sorted. All you need is a raspberry pi, 1tb ssd and umbrel. Or even use wallet of satoshi and only fund it with whatever you would be fine carrying in your physical fiat wallet. I'm unsure though about tainted btc going through LN though, I'd assume when channels are closed or rebalanced tainted btc could end up in your on chain wallet. Need to educate myself more on that.

Mentions:#TOR#LN
r/BitcoinSee Comment

Electrum is a grade A open source software wallet. Pair that with any serviceable hardware device and connect that electrum wallet to your own bitcoin node running over TOR and you have a pretty potent self sovereign privacy setup. I highly reccommend recommend If that instruction list intimidates you, good, you have a lot to learn - after doing so your OPSEC will be orders of magnitude higher than it was before. If it doesn’t intimidate you, maybe you should be considering multi-sig setups

Mentions:#TOR
r/BitcoinSee Comment

I don’t think you have to have strike. In his demo he used various wallets including using Muun wallet connected to his Lightning node running at home over TOR. I think if you want to send USD you have to have a wallet like cash app or strike that allows for USD payments via QR code.

Mentions:#TOR
r/BitcoinSee Comment

Oh I also thought of one more thing. Mallers demonstrated paying over TOR from his node at home. You can buy things, using non KYC bitcoin, that will effectively have no way of being tracked to you. Beyond using cameras to track your transactions and we haven't quite gotten big bothered that badly quite yet! So yes, still got to manage the taxable event if you're all above board, but if you want to get some non KYC bitcoin, and run your own node, you can effectively remove all need to report. In fact, you could effectively run completely on a Bitcoin standard this way.

Mentions:#TOR
r/BitcoinSee Comment

Bitcoin 2022 conference "Jack Mallers {Untitled}": \- Strike (Lightning Network wallet) will work with Shopify. \- Strike partnered with Blackhawk Network \- Strike partnered with NCR (largest POS provider in the world ie 1/6 of all POS are with NCR) You can now use any lightning wallet like Muun (running with your TOR node) to pay for things at any

Mentions:#NCR#POS#TOR
r/BitcoinSee Comment

It's a linux distro focused on being TOR by default distributed as bootable USB images. Coming with Electrum preinstalled means so long as you never connect to the internet it can be used as an air gapped cold storage OS.

Mentions:#TOR#OS
r/BitcoinSee Comment

Why would you use TOR to watch porn?

Mentions:#TOR
r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

Different names. Check darkfail on TOR.

Mentions:#TOR
r/BitcoinSee Comment

The CIA/FBI gained control over TOR awhile back, it’s completely compromised.

Mentions:#CIA#TOR
r/BitcoinSee Comment

The FED already own TOR.

Mentions:#FED#TOR
r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

TOR + Orbot or better yet TAILS + McDonald's WiFi is the only "secure" way to access information online and even there you can fall victim to social engineering, packet analysis or IMEI tracking by your local law enforcement. Not to speak of the Israeli / NSA cooperations aimed at completely undermining TOR usage, they likely have found a way to get your ass even with the perfect setup and OPSEC, but only the most high-profile cases are worth the potential millions that law enforcement would be billed ny the private companies who developed the tech. Brave is "good enough" for most everyday joes for now, the effort of using TAILS at McD's as your "daily driver" is ridiculous. But sooner than we'd like, even Joe Schmoe's will have to familiarise themselves with TOR, TAILS & PGP encryption (plus Monero for secure payments) if they want to remain _relatively_ anonymous and free from government intervention.

Mentions:#TOR
r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

TOR + Orbot or better yet TAILS + McDonald's WiFi is the only "secure" way to access information online and even there you can fall victim to social engineering, packet analysis or IMEI tracking by your local law enforcement. Not to speak of the Israeli / NSA cooperations aimed at completely undermining TOR usage, they likely have found a way to get your ass even with the perfect setup and OPSEC, but only the most high-profile cases are worth the potential millions that law enforcement would be billed ny the private companies who developed the tech. Brave is "good enough" for most everyday joes for now, the effort of using TAILS at McD's as your "daily driver" is ridiculous. But sooner than we'd like, even Joe Schmoe's will have to familiarise themselves with TOR, TAILS & PGP encryption (plus Monero for secure payments) if they want to remain _relatively_ anonymous and free from government intervention.

Mentions:#TOR
r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

[https://weijiek.medium.com/deanonymising-the-kucoin-hacker-418fa5e9911d](https://weijiek.medium.com/deanonymising-the-kucoin-hacker-418fa5e9911d) 1. Has nothing to do with TOR or hiding your ip address. It's about finding the target wallets. 2. You're at least closer, however; it's not about the withdraw over a long time. It's about sending small enough amounts at a slow enough pace into Tornado Cash such that when they are sent to their target wallet, they don't become a glaring sign. It is unlikely they'll be able to move the entirety of the funds given the rate and sums they need to send. 3. As mentioned in 1 & 2, the goal is to get the new target address. Send too much into Tornado Cash at once and the target can be reasonably guessed. When I said google search, I just meant use a combination of the terms to find more articles.

Mentions:#TOR
r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

First link from your suggested google search: [https://slowmist.medium.com/slowmist-aml-tracking-funds-laundered-by-tornado-cash-3a0e1f637054](https://slowmist.medium.com/slowmist-aml-tracking-funds-laundered-by-tornado-cash-3a0e1f637054) Tornado deposits can't be traced unless the thief gets lazy. It's a tool that needs to be used correctly. The sophistication of the Ronin bridge hack suggest that the thief should easily be able to do it: 1. Use TOR to hide your IP when sending Ethereum transactions 2. Withdraw your Tornado Cash deposits over a long time frame 3. Withdraw to new Ethereum addresses That's it.

Mentions:#TOR
r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

>My prediction was that this is the kind of service/tooling that can compete with centralized services, and my speculation is that so far there hasn’t been a wallet system that has gotten this just right yet. You are obviously a power user - your configuration is completely inaccessible to the average person. I think the tools already exist. Of course their user-friendliness could be improved a lot. It also isn't inaccessible to average person, tools and documentation are widely available, using which anyone can do it. It does take some effort and one needs to cross the psychological barrier of "this is way over my head" to do it, but it certainly can be done by anyone with average reading comprehension and computer skills. >I’m not sure I agree with your criticism of centralization when referring to lightning. I’ve heard your argument before, but everything I’ve read about how lightning works indicates that it’s a trustless system (perhaps I’m misunderstanding something?). If a centralized system offers you a trustless service (backed by the security of Bitcoin), what exactly is the problem? Note that decentralized, distributed, trustless and permissionless are all different things, although they have some overlap. Centralized systems are vulnerable to censorship and "denial of service" types of attacks. Lightning network is constantly centralizing towards "hub architecture" where instead of direct P2P channels, hubs form that route transactions around. Centralization resulting from this renders lightning vulnerable to [all kinds of nastiness](https://coinyuppie.com/vulnerabilities-in-the-lightning-network/), and those are just the vulnerabilities that are currently known. >But you’re drawing a line somewhere, right? The innovation of using seed phrases instead of private keys made it much easier to secure a wallet - and at what negative cost? That particular change didn't change any fundamentals or cause any negative effects. I'm talking about solutions that sacrifice security or decentralization for convenience or low fees. If a change doesn't sacrifice those, I'm perfectly okay with it. >Making systems easier to use and operate better at scale is not inherently detrimental. It’s only specific implementations that might be detrimental - and its the details that make all the difference. Of course, but I believe those can be archieved (within certain limits at least) without sacrificing fundamentals. But I believe users need to adapt and change their mindset too. For example if you send crypto to wrong address, it is most likely lost forever. That is a fact and users need to adapt their mindset to reflect that. Of course this can be helped by solutions that make it easier to make sure you have the correct address ([like human readable crypto addresses](https://medium.com/@gte.io/what-are-human-readable-addresses-in-blockchain-how-does-it-simplify-crypto-transactions-2e7fcfea90ac)). >I’m not super familiar with TOR, so I’d love to learn a bit here. It sounds like a problem you could solve by making use of trusted authorities https certificates. This presents tradeoffs, of course - but do those tradeoffs not exist in the web too? Is this truly a limitation of TOR itself? Problem with bad exits is that TOR exit nodes can be hosted by anyone, and some hosters are malicious. The exit node gains as much info about your browsing as your ISP does during regular browsing. They can also launch man in the middle attacks, like redirect you to phishing sites (fake login pages for example). For this reason you should never login to web services through TOR exit node or otherwise handle any sensitive information. If you need to log into facebook or email, you should use facebook or protonmail .onion addresses, those are safe (provided the address is correct and not a phishing site). .onion addresses are secure because the encryption of tor effectively works like a certificate. The problem is tor addresses are not human readable, and it isn't easy for average user to know if they are interacting with real facebook for example, or aphishing site trying to steal their credentials. Using external certificates in TOR is [already possible](https://blog.torproject.org/tls-certificate-for-onion-site/). Problem is that those certificates are issued by centralized entity, and they can choose what sites they certify. Applying for certificate also requires one to disclose their identity, effectively mitigating the advantages of TOR in certain use cases. Besides, certificates are kind of redundant in TOR because of the encryption tor has performs authentication of host. What tor needs is a name service that maps TOR hash addresses to human readable domains. One alternative for that is decentralized DNS system like ethereum name service, [which works for tor](https://medium.com/the-ethereum-name-service/ens-now-supports-tor-onion-address-resolution-9bb3bdff6217). >I’m not sure if you’re using that phrase like I think you are - but the lack of easy to use tooling in crypto seems like a classic case of a tragedy of the commons. Tragedy of crypto commons is the rampant profiteering and scamming going on. This creates wild volatility that makes crypto difficult to use in ways it was intended (means of exchange). It also steers crypto towards profit driven projects that are unsustainable in the long term and draws unwanted government attention, which will result in aggressive regulation of the space that suffocates innovation and real-world usecases. I believe lack of easy to use tooling is partly due to this. Crypto tech is incredebly crude compared to the value of the industry, which I believe is mostly due to lack of incentive (heaps of money flow in anyway) and developer attention being focused on more profitable (ponzi) projects...

Mentions:#TOR#ISP#DNS
r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

> I'm not talking about multisig, it is normal crypto stuff and nothing new. The “newness” isn’t the point, it needs buy in. It needs a network effect. People need to hear about a multi-sig service that’s almost as easy to use as Coinbase, but allows you to retain custody of your coins. My prediction was that this is the kind of service/tooling that can compete with centralized services, and my speculation is that so far there hasn’t been a wallet system that has gotten this just right yet. You are obviously a power user - your configuration is completely inaccessible to the average person. > I was also referring to scaling systems like lightning that increase centralization massively. I’m not sure I agree with your criticism of centralization when referring to lightning. I’ve heard your argument before, but everything I’ve read about how lightning works indicates that it’s a trustless system (perhaps I’m misunderstanding something?). If a centralized system offers you a trustless service (backed by the security of Bitcoin), what exactly is the problem? > Crypto (and anything decentralized) is such system by nature and solutions that make it easier to use and make it to scale better degrade the properties that make crypto what it is. The result is a compromise that inherits weaknesses of both systems without really archieving benefits of either. But you’re drawing a line somewhere, right? The innovation of using seed phrases instead of private keys made it much easier to secure a wallet - and at what negative cost? I don’t think your logic holds here, in fact I think it’s nothing more than a defeatist attitude. Making systems easier to use and operate better at scale is not inherently detrimental. It’s only specific implementations that might be detrimental - and its the details that make all the difference. > What exactly is the harm to your security by using TOR? > > Bad exit nodes and lack of centralized identity for hidden services which allows trivially easy impersonating hidden services for scamming and phishing purposes. I’m not super familiar with TOR, so I’d love to learn a bit here. It sounds like a problem you could solve by making use of trusted authorities https certificates. This presents tradeoffs, of course - but do those tradeoffs not exist in the web too? Is this truly a limitation of TOR itself? > That doesn't mean the original community cannot try to fight back the technically illiterate hordes who swarm into crypto with zero understanding how it works and what it is all about with dollar signs in place of their eyes. I totally agree with you - and I respect the fight. > Crypto is a commons, and what we are seeing is a tragedy of the commons. I’m not sure if you’re using that phrase like I think you are - but the lack of easy to use tooling in crypto seems like a classic case of a tragedy of the commons.

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>You still retain custody of your coins, but you have a third party helping you in case you lose one of the keys. A configuration like this is arguably easier and more secure than managing the key with a single sig wallet - but perhaps it's terrible and they get it wrong! I'm not talking about multisig, it is normal crypto stuff and nothing new. I myself backup seeds using shamir's secret sharing so you need more than one wordlist (I use qr-codes actually) to recover the seed, but it is still recoverable without all of them. I prefer to rely on trusted individuals like relatives or friends or safekeeping, rather than trusting some centralized services that are honeypots for attackers. I was referring more to people who rely on centralized exchanges and custodial wallets and services, and people who criticize crypto for being incovenient to use for paying milk in quick-e-mart. That was never it's purpose. I was also referring to scaling systems like lightning that increase centralization massively. >"systems that are hard to use and don't scale well shouldn't be used as default services by the general public and shouldn't be used beyond their scaling constraints". Yes - of course that is true. It's also irrelevant in a conversation where we're talking about making a system easier to use and making it scale better. That's exactly what I was saying. It is very much relevant. Crypto (and anything decentralized) is such system by nature and solutions that make it easier to use and make it to scale better degrade the properties that make crypto what it is. The result is a compromise that inherits weaknesses of both systems without really archieving benefits of either. >What exactly is the harm to your security by using TOR? Bad exit nodes and lack of centralized identity for hidden services which allows trivially easy impersonating hidden services for scamming and phishing purposes. >It belongs to humanity now, humanity will decide what they want with it. I really don't see why anyone cares what the community of origin thinks about anything. I'm no fan of "moonb0is" myself, and I hope silly and overconfident investors don't control the direction of crypto moving forward, but what the creators thought doesn't matter any more than what you and I think. And ironically - I suspect people like Satoshi, Vitalik etc would agree with me. That doesn't mean the original community cannot try to fight back the technically illiterate hordes who swarm into crypto with zero understanding how it works and what it is all about with dollar signs in place of their eyes. Wild speculation and hijacking of the scene by profiteers with zero intrest in crypto is harmful. Crypto is a commons, and what we are seeing is a tragedy of the commons. Nothing wrong in fighting back, even if the battle seems already lost. I really, truly hope crypto crashes and price goes down at least 95% for many years. Maybe that would be enough to drive off the profiteers and allowing us to reclaim it.

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