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Cultural-Candy3219

For BTC and ETH, most of the usable inputs still come from Deribit options data, even if they are not handing you a clean “GEX level” number. You can look at open interest by strike/expiry, implied vol, delta/gamma estimates, and where large weekly/monthly expiries cluster. Some dashboards package that into gamma exposure, but the calculation is model-dependent. For alts it gets much messier. Options liquidity is thinner, venues are fragmented, and perps often matter more for near-term positioning than listed options gamma. A site can show a nice chart and still be mostly guessing if the underlying options book is shallow. I’d treat any crypto GEX dashboard as a map, not a signal by itself. Check: which venues are included, whether it separates BTC/ETH from alts, how often it updates, whether it uses open interest or actual dealer positioning assumptions, and whether major expiries line up with spot liquidity levels. If the methodology page is vague, I would not trade from the levels directly.

LateNeverr1

especially the long-tail venue decorrelation. id push back on the Binance/Bybit "same to 1 bp" claim slightly, on BTC sure, but on ETH and SOL ive seen 8-15 bp gaps open during squeezes and persist for 2-3 settlement cycles. compounds across a multi-pair book.

Ced-Invest

Used to work in 2019-2020 because BTC was the only gateway and capital leaked down the curve into established names once it sat there. With spot ETFs absorbing institutional flow, part of that leak is gone, the bid stays in the wrapper. You can still pick names but the "cheap because BTC.D is high" read isn't the same setup it was. ETH at 2062 with BTC.D at 58 isn't really mispriced, it's just where the flow path lands now.

suckyuhhmada

The ETH/XRP comparison is interesting but the mechanics are a bit different. XRP's underperformance in 2018-2024 was partly structural -- Ripple's escrow releases created persistent sell pressure that ETH doesn't face in the same way. ETH has been dealing more with a narrative gap: it's the dominant smart contract layer but hasn't had a clean story to rally retail around since the Merge. That said, the ETH/BTC pair has historically consolidated before larger moves, and the ecosystem breadth in staking, L2s, and tokenized assets is still unmatched. One thing worth watching is how exchange-side infrastructure handles ETH across pairs -- on BitMart for example the sub-account system lets you isolate strategies across different trading pairs which makes rotating between ETH and BTC positions a lot cleaner operationally.

Cultural-Candy3219

I think the missing piece is dispersion. People say altseason like the whole long tail moves together, but this cycle looks more like a barbell: ETF-accessible names and a few very liquid L1s get attention, while everything else needs its own catalyst. High BTC dominance does not stop individual alt rallies. It just means the default bid has not broadened. If ETH/BTC is still weak and stablecoin liquidity is not expanding, I’d be careful calling every SOL, XRP, or TON move a real rotation. Some of it is just isolated liquidity chasing the only names it can fit into.

TheresNoSecondBest

That's how creation of a centralized shitcoin works. Vitalik for example, premined 72 million ETH right at the beginning, BEFORE he let anyone else to join the network. Jerome, and any commercial bank in the US, are able to create dollars by a few strokes on the keyboard. They're capable to create more dollars within a few seconds, than you'll be ever capable to earn through your whole life.

Cultural-Candy3219

I don’t think the functionality dream is completely dead, but the bar is way higher than it was in the 2021 “put a coin on every idea” era. A lot of useful crypto things exist now: stablecoin payments, DEXs, lending markets, perps, bridges, wallets that regular people can actually use, tokenized assets, cheap settlement on faster chains. The problem is that “the product is useful” and “this token should capture value” are not the same thing. Plenty of apps can be useful while the token is just governance theater, emissions for liquidity, or a way to fund the team. Holders learned that the hard way. For me the question is: does the token have a job that cannot be replaced by ETH, SOL, USDC, or app fees? If the answer is only “community” or “future ecosystem,” I’d be skeptical. If it pays for scarce resources, secures the network, has real fee demand, or controls something users actually need, then at least there is a case. So yeah, the random-alt era is probably cooked. The useful-infrastructure era is not. It just does not automatically make every related coin a good investment.

Friendly-Treacle-142

Your first mistake was buying a shitcoin like ETH

Serenaded

Probably, but I don't have to worry about self-custody and the potential of getting hacked when Kraken holds my ETH at a time-lock of 5 days unlock time (staking).

AInception

It's a nothingburger. Halvings are beginning to look like a warning for the end if anything. I used to DCA with half my paycheck for years but I've stopped being so bullish after seeing how this last cycle played out. I'm not ready to give up yet, but next cycle may be my last if nothing changes. Halvings are no longer important to the market. Each cycle has diminishing returns. Something like 99-99.5% of all BTC is already in circulation, effectively 100%, with market makers impacting its value far more than the loss of a few hundred coins of new issuance could ever.. I mean, Michael Saylor buys more BTC than all the miners cumulatively receive. Nobody in their right mind thinks Saylor alone can dictate market cycles with his relatively small sum vs the market total. It's just as absurd to believe things are so exactly on a razors edge that if we had just 0.5X more saylors there'd suddenly be another bull market, though that would still have more impact on supply/demand than the next five halvings will. There's almost a full 21M/21M coins out there. But problem is, it's the security budget paying miners to secure the chain that's getting halved. If there were actually 100% issuance in circulation, Bitcoin would have no miners - its difficulty would decrease dramatically - and each transaction could be censored indefinitely and cheaply, rendering it useless and open to abuse/market manipulation. Miners only work for new issuance, tx tips make up under 1% of their energy costs. If you were paid $1000 per day to be a security guard, it cost you $25 to get to work, but each week your paycheck was halved.. The first week you'd make $6825. The 4th week you'd make $262. (We are here.) The 5th week you'd make $44. The 6th week you'd lose $66. This is how BTC issuance was designed, with 99%+ happening all at once and the last 1% is meant to maintain the budget forever onward. This design was based on scaling and utility, according to Satoshi, and was never supposed to rely on markets/governments/banks to prop it up. It's insanely precaruous to assume miners won't quit en masse once we cross their line of profitable, seeing as home miners faced the same event *already* then small scale miners then medium scale leaving us with only industrial/government scale operations left making anything today. Once they leave the home miners can come back to work at a loss, but the industrial miner can (short BTC and) turn their machine on for 4 seconds to erase weeks of their work. I think the market is starting to care less about speculative supply demand dynamics and thinking forward on what happens 2-3 more halvings down the line if the price doesn't increase 8X to offset miner pay. $60K per coin **must** become $480K or security will decrease, which **must** become $4M per coin or security will decrease, which much become $30M per coin or security will decrease. Where's all this money going to come from?? Why would it when AI is the new hot thing? Diminishing returns. It was a lot easier to 2X or even 50X at $100 per coin with 3% issuance in circulation than it is at $1M per coin with 99% in circulation. The only other side of this equation are miners, who are continuously forced to spend less on energy/security to make up for if the price doesn't at least double each halving (forever and ever), or who otherwise quit. Except why would BTC move from an $80-trillion asset to a $640-trillion asset in 3.5 years all because there's ~$150M less annual issuance occuring? These numbers assume there will be no energy inflation or security output will be even less than today, and is today's current security really enough to secure $650T with? At some point the equilibrium will shift and BTC becomes a game of hot potato, opposite of a store of value. The narrative of mathmatically inevitable security collapse has potential to ripple across the wider ecosystem, no one wants to be holding that bag. Core btc devs are saying 2 more halvings optimistically before they have to intervene and change the issuance schedule or consensus mechanism to allow enough miners to continue. This is all being priced into the next cycle... If this was wrong BTC would still 30X occasionally because of no/low liquidity. Or ETH would've at least 8X when it removed 3 halvings of issuance all at once, and not lost value instead. Some HOURS see $4B of BTC trading volume and the price doesn't move at all, but the entire YEAR after a halving there'll be $8B less issuance overall. It's a nothingburger.

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Before I publish any “Top 100” crypto pairs list, I thought I’d ask the people who actually trade this stuff for a living: what’s the right venue + instrument + denominator stack to build a repeatable edge around? \*\*What the numbers are showing\*\* We’re sitting on roughly 1,600 cointegrated candidate pairs pulled from spot data. About 900 of them are clearing the eligibility gates right now — Bond Strength, Hurst, half-life, p-value — all the usual filters. If anything, the mean-reversion statistics look cleaner than they do on US equities: bigger residuals, faster cycles, half-lives often landing in that comfortable 2-3 week window instead of the 4-8 we see in equities. Signal density is high. The execution path, however, is where the probability surface starts to bend in ways the back-test never quite warned you about. \*\*Where the model and reality quietly diverge\*\* A proper pair trade needs a clean, reliable short on the relative outperformer. For most altcoins, that published “USD price” you see on the chart is not really a USD price — it’s the USDT book multiplied by whatever the prevailing USDT/USD rate happens to be. Below the top twenty names, actual USD spot volume is somewhere between one and five percent of the USDT volume. Below the top two hundred, the USD book is essentially theoretical. That leaves the executable universe forking into three practical tiers: |Tier|Tokens|Realistic short instrument|Real-world cost| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |Top \~20|BTC, ETH, SOL, BNB, XRP etc.|Perps on Binance/Bybit/OKX or spot on Coinbase/Kraken|Funding 5-15 % APR typical, ±50-150 bps drift over a 20-day hold| |\~20 to \~150|Mostly USDT-quoted|Perps on major CEXs + some DEX perps (Hyperliquid, dYdX, GMX)|Funding more volatile, depth thinner, 10-50 bps slippage per leg| |Below \~150|USDT-only|Spot margin borrow (if listed and borrowable at all)|Borrow APR that can quietly eat the entire modelled edge| Some of the highest-ranked statistical pairs I’m seeing sit squarely in tier three. Which is the honest way of saying the strategy works beautifully — on paper. \*\*The question I keep coming back to\*\* If you were designing a published “top N” crypto pair-trading universe — the way a US equity quant would calmly publish a top-250 list — how would you actually scope it? A few sub-questions I’d value real-operator views on: 1. \*\*Denominator.\*\* USDT is clearly the unit of account for something like ninety percent of global crypto volume, yet it remains a private-company IOU with a modest history of partial depegs. Do you build the entire universe USDT-quoted and treat USDT/USD as its own separate risk factor, or do you split into a tight USD tier and a wider USDT tier? 2. \*\*Instrument.\*\* Spot pairs or perpetual futures? Perps solve the shorting problem cleanly — no inventory, no locate, funding is simply the cost — but that funding rate is live, dynamic, and perfectly capable of flipping sign mid-trade. Does it make sense to publish a pair signal whose true “borrow cost” remains unknown at the moment of entry? 3. \*\*Venue cut-off.\*\* Do you insist both legs have a liquid perpetual listing on at least one major venue (Binance, Bybit, OKX, Hyperliquid, dYdX), or do you accept spot-margin borrow as a fallback for names that only clear one side? My instinct leans toward the stricter rule — anything that cannot be reliably shorted gets a quiet “not retail-shortable” badge and drops out — but I’m genuinely interested in the counter-argument. 4. \*\*Jurisdiction.\*\* US-accessible venues (Coinbase, Kraken, Hyperliquid, dYdX, GMX) versus the rest of the world (add Binance, Bybit, OKX, Bitget). Two separate products, or one product with a venue tag per pair? 5. \*\*Top 10 / Top 100 framing.\*\* On equities we publish a top-250 because that is roughly the cohort where cointegration holds and execution costs are uniformly cheap. Crypto feels chunkier: the top twenty majors behave like one big BTC-beta asset class, the fifty-to-one-hundred-fifty alt-L1s, L2s and DeFi names carve out their own sector cohorts, and the long tail starts to look a lot like gambling. Does a single “Top 100” still make sense, or are we actually looking at two or three category-specific lists? \*\*Where I’m leaning at the moment\*\* Two coverage tiers, labelled with complete honesty: \- A \*\*USD-quoted tier\*\* of roughly twenty-five to forty tokens, built around what a US retail account can actually execute cleanly on Coinbase or Kraken, with optional long-only or inverse-substitution framing. \- A \*\*USDT/perp-quoted tier\*\* built around tokens that carry a liquid perpetual listing on at least one of the major venues, with both clean spread P&L \*and\* funding-adjusted P&L shown side by side. I keep circling back on whether to publish anything at all for the long-tail, spot-borrow-only tier. The statistical relationships are genuinely interesting; the execution realities are genuinely brutal. \*\*Deeper plumbing available\*\* If anyone wants the longer version — Tether redemption mechanics, depeg history, perpetual funding arithmetic, US versus non-US friction stack laid out side by side — I wrote a more detailed piece on it. Happy to drop the link in the comments rather than clutter the body. \[Optional image: clean two-column chart showing “modelled universe” (\~900 eligible pairs) versus “retail-shortable universe by tier” (top-20 / top-150 / long-tail). I’ll attach if I run it.\] \--- \*\*Question to the people actually running systematic strategies in crypto right now:\*\* what venue + instrument + denominator combination did you ultimately settle on, and what do you wish you’d known about the funding-rate cost before you went live? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. 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Horror-Sector7498

if adoption, scaling, and real-world usage keep growing, ETH could be much more embedded in global finance by 2030—but exact price is always hard to predict 🚀

Weird_Evidence6587

Short version: * **Bitcoin** and **Ethereum** are still the main coins. BTC = store of value, ETH = smart contracts ecosystem. * What’s new in the market: * Layer 2 networks (Arbitrum, Optimism, Base) * AI-related crypto projects * Real World Assets (RWA) tokenization * Memecoins still exist but are highly risky and fast-moving * Main exchanges still used: **Binance** and **Coinbase** If you want, I can also give you a simple low-risk way to re-enter the market.

GreenStretch

If by top three you mean ETH, BNB, and SOL, then they're the platforms for the pump and dump.

AeonPeter

Is ETH number of token limited? No. Will stablecoins run on btc? Possibly. Will ETH be useful for tokenisation? Maybe. If not, it will bleed to 0.

perfectpaperpusher

Idk man from personal experience ETH is slow and clunky

josef3110

Well, one has to differentiate between different categories of alt coins. 1. Shit coins: they should never have had a market in the first place. 2. Meme coins: same as shit coins but with better marketing :-) 3. CEX coins: they are actually a very good vehicle to make money for CEX operations. 4. Stable coins: they have found their place in the market and are broadly used. 5. Valid projects (like ETH, ADA, to name a few): these are a viable alternative to BTC, offering more functionality with better decentralization Many successful applications won't be possible without those (like, e.g. stable coins). 6. Failed projects (like ICP, ATOM, VET): they just had either a bad design in the first place or could deliver on their promises.

zesushv

Btc --> ETH --> Exchange tokens --> defi --> AI Agents.

Ok_Freedom3290

eeping it stagnant around $2k-$3k. Best case? Mass institutional adoption pushes it well past $15k. I actually built a platform called AlphaSignal that uses Hidden Markov Models to track some of these institutional trends, and the data has been showing a strong baseline of institutional accumulation for ETH over the long term. called AlphaSignal that uses Hidden Markov Models to track some of these institutional trend

Kind-Marionberry-333

Alt coins as we know them were early... People fell into the get rich now meme of them rather than understanding they were supposed to act as the stand in payment for data collection and provide use case for the holder. Alt coins aren't "done" as in they will never matter again, bit the penny stock/.com bubble style use of them I think most have learned to see as a scam or extremely risky. Groups like Chainlink, AAVE, and other "Bluechip" alts still exist and are real, and in time we will see other utility based tokens become more in demand if people start leaning into BTC and ETH down the line. ETH is doing what oil learned it needed to do after the 1970s it needed to stabilize, get cheaper, and the engines that burn it, needed to get better. It's not dead, but L2 hit ETH like the Japanese 4cyl hit the American V8 market lol. The BTC wealth splintered, and we saw the fragility of hard backed systems paired with unlimited printing alt machiness... I think as BTC get more holding, and the use of it increases, Defi options, though institutions will become more trusted and thus groups like AAVE and Chainlink will hold on, become parts of the actual system, then you'll see other "fintech" start up with Defi as the background from the start. Alts as penny stocks are dead, but as AI data harvesting gets more intense I think we will see people start to demand ways to benefit from the scraping, that was the real goal, to give the user and creator a way of eliminating third-party platforms, the users data get skimmed the user gets tokens, tokens can be used to buy more of the service the more you use it the more tokens you get and if you have more than you need you could sell them off to people who needed more or wanted to get started. It was "tokens" like a token at an arcade, or how people talk about AI tokens now... We were supposed to get those tokens, sure cash would be nice but cash wasn't available, and since people rejected the tokens the info is just scalped for free and we get nothing because web2 still reigns supreme. We really needed AI to come about along with web3... Now ai is going to be concentrated underneath ownership of web2... And that means we get to spread our cheeks until we force the change again. Covid let us finally admit that it was worth trying ... People got greedy, lost their security and are afraid again, so we won't see that attempt until that shifts imo.

Cultural-Candy3219

I’d avoid a single price target and think in ranges. Worst realistic case is not literally zero, it is ETH becoming mostly settlement plumbing while L2s and apps capture the user value and ETH underperforms what people expected. Best case is ETH becomes the neutral settlement and collateral asset behind a lot of tokenized finance, with staking, ETF demand, and blob usage finally making the economics obvious again. The thing I’d watch is whether fees and data availability demand actually scale with app usage. If users move to L2s but ETH holders do not capture much of that activity, the tech can win while the token trade stays frustrating.

counterboy12

ETH has a horrible infrastructure and scalability architecture. Layer 2s are workarounds, not the solution

Potatotornado20

Just follow the 4yr cycle and go all in on Bitcoin and blue chip alts (ETH, SOL, DOGE) on Nov 19 this year, then sell everything on Aug 15, 2029.

jeremiahcp

At some point, BTC will likely turn bullish again, and when it does, it will probably pull much of the broader crypto market up with it. If BTC pushes past $120k again, ETH will likely reclaim $4k+ as well. For those two assets, the main question is less about whether they recover and more about when. The broader altcoin market is different. Many altcoins face both a when question and an if question, because some may never survive the next cycle.

account009988

Scalability issues are a first world problem. Cause people actually USE ETH

Cultural-Candy3219

The XRP comparison feels too simple to me. ETH underperforming ETH/BTC is real, but the reasons are different: L2 fee leakage, weaker fee burn, uncertainty around value capture, and investors chasing cleaner narratives elsewhere. XRP had a very different overhang and then a very different reflexive catch-up trade. For ETH I’d watch whether mainnet fees and blob demand recover, whether L2 activity actually feeds value back to ETH, and whether ETF or staking flows improve relative to BTC. If those stay weak, ETH can keep looking heavy even while developers keep building on the stack. So yeah, it can lag for longer than people expect, but “new XRP” probably hides more than it explains.

GreedVault

does your definition of alts include ETH?

Neither-Respond6697

ETH will eventually go down, Layer 2s are just unsustainable workarounds 

Django_McFly

People saying the bull sucked loaded up on absolute dog shit or didn't start buying until BTC was like $115k. Solana was like $10 at one point. It hit $300. ETH super underperformed but it still went from $900 to almost $5k in like two years. Crypto is the only place where a 5 to 10 X in two years is seen as a *dead market with no gains*

Comprehensive_Cap_27

Alt coins can have their own protocol fees that are separate from metamask. These can be for various reasons, some comics take 5% of every transaction These will filter into another wallet as part of the protocol funds. Tell me what coin you traded and then I can show you where and how you were effected. Yes I understand it's on the ETH network but you clearly don't know enough about crypto to understand what I'm saying so I'll send screenshots. What coin did you trade for ?

Ok_Freedom3290

If you look at the raw data, the capital rotation is definitely bypassing ETH right now. We track institutional flow and relative momentum z-scores across the top 50 assets. While BTC is absorbing ETF inflows and SOL is capturing retail/meme velocity, ETH is sitting in a 'compression' regime. Our models currently heavily penalize ETH longs because its correlation to BTC has decoupled negatively during trend-continuation days. It's not necessarily 'dead' like XRP was for years, but from a purely quantitative standpoint, the opportunity cost of holding ETH right now is massive compared to the momentum leaders.

brianmonarch

XRP has outperformed ETH over the last couple years. And that’s a fact.

oopssomething

Hope the FED will fix the manipulation on ETH. How can it still be over $2k?

account009988

ETH is ETH, biggest, most used, most utility alt coin in thr market. No other alt even comes close.

Dongerated

It’s on ETH. And token has no tax. It went to one of metamask’s swap wallets or their partners

GeoSystemsDeveloper

**Daily crypto TL;DR – May 23, 2026** * ⚠️ The total crypto market cap declined 2.4-2.6% on May 23, pulling BTC and ETH down amid broader risk-off sentiment. * ⚠️ Federal Reserve's cautious stance and persistent inflation keep US yields high, pressuring crypto market liquidity. * 🚀 Altcoins like HYPE, NEAR, and ONDO surged significantly, driven by protocol upgrades, AI narratives, and RWA tokenization. * ℹ️ The Fear & Greed Index is at 40 (Neutral), but high BTC social comment ratios historically suggest a short-term price pullback. *News summary from the* [*HODLings app*](https://www.geosystemsdev.com/products/hodlings/)*.*

rudecilantro

It is possible to swap BTC to ETH with [https://flips.fi/](https://flips.fi/), however, wBTC is custodial. Just select Bitcoin > Ethereum, click and swap. It takes seconds and it's fully decentralized.

jeremiahcp

If you bought BTC or ETH just wait it out. If you bought a shitcoin and didn't sell, well that was dumb.

its__Angelina

requested an ETH withdrawal from BitMart while on a quick break at work and when I got back it was already confirmed. love not having to babysit crypto transfers all day.

HazyMclazy24

It is possible to swap BTC to ETH with [https://flips.fi/](https://flips.fi/), however, wBTC is custodial. Just select Bitcoin > Ethereum, click and swap. It takes seconds and it's fully decentralized.

oopssomething

Last chance to sell ETH above 2k. Road to triple digits speeding up.

Traditional_Chain_48

Which fucking cycle? As if it is predicted that it goes up. Look at the fucking charts. Only BTC and ETH went up and down. All the others including DOGE and XRP had one hopium pump from Trump's election and from the rest it is flat with a sharp decline in the beginning.  Tell us you are a grifter without telling us that you are a grifter.  Keep hoping with your clarity act, but remember the rest of the world already has a clarity act. 

magnelectro

Interesting... Of the ones you mentioned, are you ranking them in that order with ETH on top?

tornavec

You need to search for deals like this with the tag "no deposit bonus." It's a bonus they give out to pretty much anyone who meets some really simple conditions. I can tell you for a fact that you can score around $30 on Cryptomus just by signing up and verifying. Then you can swap it for ETH or whichever crypto you're after

Active-Rope9301

I don’t own all of these (unfortunately) but I think the only truly valuable projects are BTC/ETH/SOL/HYPE/TAO. Everything else is trash. Retail isn’t coming back if all the speculation is going to AI stocks and their relatives. The five I mentioned serve enough important functions to get institutional participation regardless of retail’s disappearance.

cryptOwOcurrency

I sold over half my ETH at the tops in ‘21 and ‘25. Invested it all in stocks and real estate. Class of 2012. If I were dumb enough to share my net worth online, you’d probably cry. Cope.

SpontaneousDream

[https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/ETHBTC/?timeframe=ALL](https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/ETHBTC/?timeframe=ALL) Such a trainwreck, right guys!? I actually love that there are still fools out there like you. You are literally the liquidity for my ratio short. I lend BTC, borrow ETH, then sell that ETH to you. So thanks for giving me money lmfao

SpontaneousDream

I love how you just keep repeating this year after year, yet nothing ever happens, because nothing ever will, because idiots who spout this FUD lack a basic understanding of how mining and security works. This is like..."Bitcoin destroys the environment!!" level FUD. Come on man, at least come up with something that's actually convincing lmfao. You are really going to go down with the ship though, huh? At what ratio will you sell you ETH and take the L?

seductiveaxolotl

I guess drumpf is trying to bring ETH down to 1776 for patriotic reasons 

LTP-N

You're thick as fuck and painfully insecure. Can't come up with any rational counter-points, and think acting superior will "win". A recycled internet catchphrase is the perfect ending to an argument that lacked any original thought. When basic economics dismantles your premise, falling back on a scripted crypto meme is all you have left. Thank you for proving my point entirely. I very much likely own more BTC (ETH, ZEC, and XTZ as well) than you ever will. I also have a PhD so have a pretty well paid and cushty job. I'm FAR from poor, and you're going to pretend like you don't care, but you're gonna think about this comment and discussion more than you'll let on.

its__Angelina

was hesitant about BitMart at first since I hadn’t heard much about it. but after doing multiple withdrawals of BTC and ETH in the last 6 months, I’m pretty happy. it’s been seamless and feels trustworthy now.

Longjumping-Bug5763

How much would he have if he had bought ETH 9 years ago?

GeoSystemsDeveloper

**Daily crypto TL;DR:** * ⚠️ BTC & ETH dipped slightly, with the Fear & Greed Index at 28. * ⚠️ Bitcoin & Ethereum spot ETFs saw continued net outflows on May 21. * 🚀 US-Iran peace talks show progress, potentially easing global risk. * 🚀 US executive order and Clarity Act boost bank crypto adoption. * ℹ️ Select altcoins like NEAR, HYPE, MNT, and WLD rallied. *News summary from the* [*HODLings app*](https://www.geosystemsdev.com/products/hodlings/)*.*

DBRiMatt

Goddammit. I knew it was DONUT and MOON keeping ETH afloat.... /s

vulcanplayz

It is possible to swap BTC to ETH with [https://flips.fi/](https://flips.fi/), however, wBTC is custodial. Just select Bitcoin > Ethereum, click and swap. It takes seconds and it's fully decentralized.

Impressive-Bug-1852

It is possible to swap BTC to ETH with https://flips.fi/, however, wBTC is custodial. Just select Bitcoin > Ethereum, click and swap. It takes seconds and the best part, it's fully decentralized.

Numerous_Ruin_4947

See this: HYPE in Circulation: 29.9% (High Risk) Circulating Supply: 298.68 million HYPE Total Supply: 999.22 million HYPE Max Supply: 1.00 billion HYPE HYPE is still fairly new and is up about 77% since launching in late 2024. Yes, that means it may still have a lot more upside. But it also means massive pullbacks are still on the table. Every major crypto has gone through brutal crashes at some point - BTC, ETH, SOL, ADA, DOGE, ZEC, and plenty more. HYPE will not be immune. Pullbacks are part of the game, especially with newer assets that have not been fully stress-tested yet. How many times have we seen this same story? People convince themselves it is the next Bitcoin or Ethereum and destined for the moon. Then you actually look at the tokenomics and go: “WTF?” Tiny circulating supply, massive future dilution, insider allocations, unlock schedules everywhere. We have seen this movie so many times in crypto.

Numerous_Ruin_4947

ETH marketing has sucked. That is literally why I made the thread. “World Computer” never hit the spot like “digital gold” did. Some ideas, since we need to onboard meatheads like you - u/SpontaneousDream: **ΞTH is the RΞAL Digital Gold** **Ethereum - Digital Gold & Diamonds With Yield** **BTC maxis act like Bitcoin never borrows narratives. NFTs, smart contracts, DeFi-ish stuff, and now fake yield through Saylor leverage games.** BTC had the easy lane for years. ETH holders have been through the grinder. I would not get too cocky inviting karma.

SpontaneousDream

r/ethereum can't even come up with a slogan to shill their shitcoin. These idiots don't even understand what they are holding lmfao. See below >Ethereum’s problem is that its slogans usually explain technology instead of why someone should want to hold the asset. >Maybe the pitch needs to be simpler: >BTC is digital gold. ETH is digital gold with an engine. >Or: >ETH combines the scarcity of gold with the utility of oil. >Or: >ETH is productive digital gold - an asset you can hold, stake, and earn yield on while it powers a digital economy. >That hits much harder IMO than “world computer.” >Any other ideas?

SpontaneousDream

This sub is peak sheeple. They will downvote hype all the time and then buy the top when it flips ETH

SpontaneousDream

I think this is why people have been leaving- the ETH is drying up. No more hundred thousand dollar monthly salaries

whatwilly0ubuild

Emission-based yield collapse is structural, not accidental. The math is simple: you're being paid in a token whose primary demand comes from other farmers wanting to earn more of the same token. That's circular. Eventually the supply of new farmers runs out, the marginal buyer disappears, and the token falls. The APY was always an illusion denominated in a depreciating asset. Fee-based "real yield" is theoretically more sustainable because the yield comes from actual economic activity rather than token inflation. If a protocol generates trading fees and distributes them in BTC or stablecoins, that yield has a floor based on real usage rather than speculation. The catch with real yield protocols. The yield is only as good as the fee revenue, which depends on sustained usage of whatever underlying service generates those fees. A DEX paying fees in ETH is sustainable if people keep trading on it. If volume dies, so does the yield. You've replaced "will the token price hold" with "will usage hold" as your risk factor. That's better but not risk-free. What to evaluate for any "real yield" claim. What's the actual source of the fees? Is the volume organic or incentivized? What's the yield as a percentage of TVL versus the actual fee generation? If the math doesn't work (protocol generates $100k in fees but pays $500k in "yield"), the difference is still coming from somewhere unsustainable. I don't know the specific protocol you mentioned well enough to evaluate their claims, but those are the questions that separate real sustainability from repackaged emissions.

Blackiris-Code

I didn't even know about Rabby's existance until now. I just looked at what it is and... I like it! It can still disguise itself as MetaMask. That's now my default ETH wallet. MetaMask uninstalled 😁 Thanks for the info!

Embarrassed-Bid-5146

ETH

Capable-Hedgehog291

been using BitMart for about 9 months and every withdrawal I’ve done has been hassle free. whether BTC, ETH, or ADA, it’s always fast. don’t see what the fuss is about with the complaints.

Aerocryptic

The Bankless guys sold all their ETH 5 years ago they pushed so hard on the ultrasound money narrative 😆 Next crypto they shill, you know what to do

FriendsMade_MeDoIt

I feel like every time someone important leaves a crypto project people instantly jump to “it’s over” or “secret pivot incoming.” Sometimes it really is just burnout or wanting to build something new after years in the same ecosystem. From the outside Ethereum feels less like a single company now and more like a giant group project. The Foundation matters, but a lot of the momentum is coming from L2 teams, infra devs, researchers, and even random open source contributors spread everywhere. A few friends in my crypto circles are actually more interested in stablecoin rails and AI payment stuff lately than ETH itself, so I can kinda see why priorities might shift too. Still think clearer communication would help though. Crypto fills silence with conspiracy theories immediately.

Neither_Chicken_3679

been using BitMart for about 8 months and really like how fast withdrawals are. moved ETH and BTC out a few times, never had to wait more than 15 minutes. honestly, I appreciate the simplicity and speed.

Available_Win5204

Have you noticed how many pathetic third-worlder slop farmers (like OP) try to pump BTC and shit on ETH?

GrumpCatastrophe

I bought $7k of ETH in 2021 at the highest it ever was. If it peaks again like it did last year I am just pulling out and putting it in stocks. I have no more patience.

MiaTaude589

ETH and BTC I'm honestly fine with. been holding since 2021, not trading it. the question I ask myself is not when will it moon but would I be OK holding this for 5 more years and the answer is yes. XRP I'd never touch, no real use case I can see outside speculation. alts are where the bag holding gets sad ngl

Agreeable-Sleep-1589

I just buying buying buying as I have been for 5 years now. What I need to to actually sell with next cycle. I have held and held and added and added. I may have been better off in a stock but that's not productive thinking I would have chosen one of the best stocks of the decade to go all in on. When, not if BTC and ETH run up and hit new ATH.. If I sell and don't get greedy I will be very happy with what I walk away with.

samkb93

ETH. Everyone is saying it's dead, David Hoffman sold, definitely a bottom signal.

Suspicious-Can-7079

Never go full regard dude put 60million in a leveraged offshoot of an already leveraged stock that tracks a notoriously volatile ETH.

Key-Natural-8688

The only way to win in crypto markets is to view your investment like you would with your poops. When you look at your poop in the toilet, you have no emotional attachment to it, but you recognize the benefit of it coming out of you. Crypto is the same way, you should be detached from it all and realize they are inherently worthless outside of BTC, ETH, and a few others. Then you can learn to profit and exit at the right times.

Glass_Look_959

And this is news? This is a known fact. I bought puts on ETH etfs when I read the news of large whale movements 3 weeks ago.

dmx442

> Combine this with the ability to use digital assets like BTC, ZEC, ETH, USDT, etc. as collateral in banks and we will see an explosion of trillions of dollars in market cap across the board. Initiate **ZE DUMP!**

ElsaKiras

Yeah, it’s structural. The emission yield is nothing more than the protocol printing its own token and naming it APY, which pays you in the asset that gets diluted; and when new buyers start to slow down, prices go down and your yield becomes negative. Early yield farmers sell out on the later ones; it always ends the same way. Real yield (fees in BTC/ETH/stables) is better because the protocol pays you through its earnings, which aren’t subject to dilution. However, it can only work if the protocol generates genuine activity. Many projects claiming they have real yields use synthetic volumes to boost the numbers. A sustainable model involves real users generating fees for the protocol without any inflationary assets. Aave, GMX, and Lido-like protocols come close to this idea. Can't speak on Seasons specifically, just check if the fee volume is actually organic or incentivised

Aerocryptic

>How long did it take ETH to transition to DPoS? DPOS? My god, it's POS

SeriousGains

I’m not saying there’s more developers building in TRON, but the features of the chain advance more quickly and that’s been a boon to the ecosystem. That shouldn’t even be a debate. How long did it take ETH to transition to DPoS? I don’t believe for a second it wasn’t in large part to how successful a model it was for the competition, namely TRON. The yield on TRON is really unmatched at the moment too. I’m getting 21% APY, that’s without touching bullshit like liquidity pools. Until you understand the mechanics behind energy delegation and the reselling market on TRON, you’ll never understand why ETH can’t compete.

SeriousGains

Alt coins in general are terrible, absolutely abysmal. Would never touch them. TRON no longer qualifies in that category though. The market is too mature for ETH to remain untouchable.

SeriousGains

Cope? What are you talking about? Everyone who’s invested in TRON is rolling in money. No one cares if you want to invest in your beloved and “virtuous” ETH. I’m just stating facts.

SeriousGains

Eating into its marketshare and utility? Absolutely. TRON has been upgraded many, many times since launching. I’m not going to bother looking up the version they’re on, but the features no longer resemble Ethereum at all. ETH has been stuck in governance hell. It’s like the US trying to compete with China on AI. Your first mover advantage will only help you for so long.

mashem

Maybe cashing out some ETH and quitting their day jobs lol

CrazyAppel

u got sandwiched by a MEV bot. 1. bot sees u make sell order 2. bot instantly makes same order but puts gas fees way higher 3. because of this wOCT price drops 4. your transaction goes through on much lower price (10-15% loss) 5. bot buys back the wOCT and pockets your loss Although yes, you got attacked, and it's not REALLY a slippage/liquidity issue, but it IS relevant. The only reason this MEV bot was able to do this is because it knew there wouldnt be any other transactions happening during this time. You can only assume this risk if the coin has low liquidity. In the end, the issue is with you, YOU decided to swap from wOCT to USDT instead of manually making multiple swaps from wOCT to ETH to TRX to USDT. You may claim that it was an attack and not your fault, but I can also claim you are lazy and risked so much to save some time...

UnitedAd8949

keeping your private keys secure is probably the most important one, honestly. I also made it a habit early on to put idle ETH to work instead of just holding it, things like liquid staking through etherfi let you earn yield while still keeping custody of your keys, which fits right in with that self-custody mindset you mentioned..

Responsible-Pay-6763

Bro BTC, ETH, SOL and POLY Worst thing to hold is USDT - 20-30% stables BTC i am accumulating, no idea what will happen. Wintermute just said btc is way high Not sure this is dump plan or what but i l stay careful I still think 45k-50k btc is in book Maybe when USA ground invades IRAN?

Significant-Spite195

Bitcoin still went from 60k to 81k and ETH also moved up so I don’t think crypto is “dead.” Maybe the crazy easy money days are gone, but crypto will probably stay like tech stocks bigger, slower, and more mature over time.

BitcoinArtMagazine

Here’s Grok’s answer… “How many NFT’s of all the NFT’s ever created are currently worthless?” Roughly 95% (or higher) of NFTs are currently worthless or effectively dead. uk.finance.yahoo.com en.wikipedia.org Key Data • Collections level: Multiple analyses (including the influential 2023 dappGambl report, updated in later coverage through 2025–2026) found that ~95–96% of NFT collections have zero or near-zero market value, no trading activity, no sales, and no community engagement. uk.finance.yahoo.com trakx.io colexion.io • Example: Out of 73,257 collections analyzed, ~69,795 (95%) had a market cap of 0 ETH. en.wikipedia.org • Later reports (2025–2026) cite 96% dead collections, with only a tiny fraction (e.g., top 3–6 collections) holding meaningful volume. earnpark.com • Individual NFTs: The percentage is comparably high because most NFTs exist within dead collections. Tens of millions to hundreds of millions of individual NFTs have been minted across Ethereum, Solana, and other chains (exact totals are hard to pinpoint due to spam/low-effort mints and multiple blockchains, but billions in cumulative supply exist when including all variants). The vast majority trade at zero liquidity, with no bids or recent sales. webopedia.com • 79% of collections have remained largely unsold. en.wikipedia.org • Even in “active” collections, only single-digit percentages of supply often see real trading. kucoin.com Context and Caveats • Total NFTs ever created: No single authoritative count exists (estimates range from tens of millions tracked to far higher with unlisted/spam mints). Identity/gaming NFTs alone reached ~12 million by 2026, but this is a fraction of the total. colexion.io fortunly.com • Worthless definition: Zero floor price, no liquidity, abandoned projects, rugs, or spam with no utility/sales. A small elite (e.g., CryptoPunks, BAYC, select gaming/utility NFTs) retains value, capturing most remaining market cap (~$1.8–5.6B total NFT market in 2026). coingecko.com • The market peaked in 2021–2022 (~$17–25B volume) but collapsed sharply; 2025 volumes were down dramatically, with most activity concentrated in a handful of projects. dappradar.com In short, the NFT space mirrors the broader crypto token churn: extreme oversupply, hype-driven launches, and massive failure rates. A tiny percentage holds nearly all value and activity. Always DYOR—most individual NFTs have negligible or zero resale potential today.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

Glyzzza_

BTC, ETH, SOL and some stablecoins

Glyzzza_

Solid setup for DCA. BTC/ETH heavy is good for lower risk, then keep the 10% for carefully picked alts with real utility.

piggleii

Well, I mean, even Vitalik panic-sold ETH at the bottom.

kirakirazeno

I honestly think part of it is cultural too. Imo BTC feels more like a macro asset now, so a lot of participants wait for confirmation and broader momentum before reacting. ETH on the other hand still feels more tied to anticipation, narratives and positioning early around ecosystem activity. So the trading behavior ends up reflecting the psychology around each asset, not just the charts themselves.

Toshoshi0x0

Naw big dawg keep holding. So many times I gave up in the middle of the bear. Done it multiple cycles. Not doing it this time. Missed ETH, sidelined on Defi and NFT(thank god I didn’t get into NFT), then got into the Solana trenches towards the tail end of the bull. Staying locked in this time.

matedalmata

OG stack: BTC, ETH, XMR. DeFi: UNI IMF All or nothing PBAs: OG $mcdc on SOL $BUSINESS on ETH

SpontaneousDream

Even Justin Drake, one of the most delusional ETHtards, has abandoned ETH. His X profile now reads "Bitcoin security researcher" Meanwhile EF is dropping like flies. You can't make this up lmfao r/ethereum on suicide watch

Dry_Corgi9590

ETH is bleeding against BTC because the "ultra sound money" narrative died. The merge didn't fix demand. L2s are fragmenting liquidity. And tokenization mostly happens on permissioned chains or Ethereum L1 but institutions don't want to pay $5+ gas fees. The CLARITY Act helps clarity, not price. It doesn't make ETH more valuable. It just tells you who regulates it. Truth is ETH is still fine. It's just not outperforming anymore. The 2021 days of flipping BTC are done. Lower your expectations.

Scared-Metal9294

What’s the reason behind ETH bleeding against BTC? ETH/BTC ratio continues to get worse, but I thought clarity act passing (potentially), RWA, tokenization etc would lift ETHs share price? It’s been a dud in my portfolio btw

SeriousGains

Tom Lee says ETH to 60k. That should tell you everything you need to know.