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Nefarious-Technology

You realize satoshi solo mined BTC for a year before release to the public. Then it was mined by a very small group of his friends and insiders. This is basically a premine as well. Actually worse than what ETH did which had a very pubic and open crowd sale that widely distributed the initial supply. I think bitcoiners are just salty that from its inception there was a group who valued ETH more than BTC and participated in the fund raise. Now let’s tack on the other requirements of a “shitcoin” that Bitcoiners love to throw around outages and chain roll backs. Bitcoin has had at least 2 multi hour outages in its history and it rolled the chain back due to a bug that minted billions of Bitcoin in a single block. Now let’s add bitcoins other short comings. It’s the slowest most expensive blockchain, and for that it’s not even the most decentralized nor secure. No privacy, no smart contracts, insufficient DA to actually scale, a L2 that still doesn’t work without custodial wallets, centralized liquidity hubs and reintroducing trust and permission, everything these systems were designed to solve. I think bitcoin may be the actual shitcoin

shaneween

You think ETH will go lower to at least like $2500?

Responsible_Gate6990

Solid start with BTC and ETH as your core. One thing to consider: keep some stablecoins (USDC) on the side and park them in DeFi lending (Morpho, Aave) for 4-6% while you wait for dips to buy. Beats having cash sitting at 0% in your bank.

PJDB_93

Mate thank you so much! Loads of information there for me to get on with. I will prioritise the cold wallet and get that set up. I will also look at going about staking the ETH and the platforms for doing so. I've a few now telling me XRP might not be the best so I'm going to look at a few alternatives, I don't really want to overstretch myself investing in too many coins to monitor, maybe once I've become more fluent and confident with it but right now I'm thinking if I stick to 5 or 6 then I can monitor them and understand them better.

Illustrious_Way3898

That’s because crypto bros want to see BTC go to $55k because of the so called 4-year cycle. They are stubborn like that while making Bitcoin look weak compared to gold. Might want to ditch the 4-year cycle narrative and just buy BTC, ETH, etc. or just abandon crypto and go buy gold. Because, you know, the dollar is losing value!!

redblddrp

if you want real cross chain swaps instead of single chain dexes look at aggregators that find routes across many blockchains instead of you hopping around tools like Rubic work across major chains so you can swap BSC to Polygon or ETH to others from one place just connect your wallet and pick the route

Comfortable-Half5165

If I were starting today with $1k: * Allocation: Mostly BTC/ETH, small % in quality alts like $RYO * Exchange/Storage: Reputable exchange + move to a secure wallet (cold wallet or LIFE Wallet) * Early mistakes: Chasing hype, overtrading, ignoring security * Avoid: Meme-only pumps, leverage, and anything you don’t understand Learning, patience, and security matter more than quick gains.

themrgq

We still won't have an alt season. Sol had it's run and so did sui. ETH won't

perceptual01

While I don’t think anything reasoning from OP is incorrect.. I think the collapse of things like FTX, Celsius and 3 arrows played a major role. All these guys were long on alts. Then trump takes office, whatever “reputable” platforms we have left pushed his families meme coins which were pure rug pulls. This gutted liquidity. Trump didn’t return the favor because banks (shocker). 8-9 years ago I didn’t think btc would hold so much market share this far into the game. I didn’t think ETH would do the same as far as alts go or switch to proof of stake (and run as smoothly fee wise as it is now, not to mention the 50% attack history/ETC). I think the future is banks integrating custody for the average consumer. Who comes out on top there is beyond me. Place your bets

flying-fox200

Yes, always a good idea to do one's own research and not just trust the words of randos on the internet! Once you've got a cold wallet, you'll be fully ready to go 👍. That should be for your main stash, but also having a few hot wallets for day-to-day stuff (like swapping, staking, etc...) on iOS/Android isn't a bad idea. iOS and Android are very "locked-down" as operating systems, since all apps are sandboxed, so having part of your crypto move through there before it goes to your cold wallet is reasonable (as long as you keep your iPhone/Android phone up to date). This would be necessary, for example, if you want to stake your ETH. You would stake it on [RocketPool](https://stake.rocketpool.net/) by connecting your MetaMask wallet, and then send the rETH tokens (staked ETH) to your cold wallet afterwards. Matter apart, I *would* actually recommend staking your ETH, since it's a passive method of growing your ETH stash over time. Something else I'd like to mention: if you wish to preserve your anonymity without going through hoops-and-hurdles, I'd recommend CoinJoin. CoinJoin is a Bitcoin anonymisation method that has been around since the early days. It mixes your coins with hundreds of other ones in a big transaction, so when your coins come out on the other end, no one knows they are yours. You could then switch that Bitcoin without KYC for all the other coins you mentioned (ThorWallet does this in a trustless, decentralised manner). CoinJoin is obviously just a suggestion, but in a world where privacy is more and more a thing of the past, it's nice knowing that no government or entity knows which coins are yours and what you're doing with them. Regarding XRP: I'll be honest, I'm not the most well-versed in the subject to be able to answer this. I have read numerous articles about how XRP has been struggling to gain the regulatory approval required to become the next Swift, but that it has failed. Furthemore, I *do* know that it is quite centralised, which goes against the very ethos of what Satoshi envisaged with the creation of Bitcoin in 2009.

Viking_13v

No one with 138m in ETH is seriously going to do a send off on Reddit. Fake AF.

user_name_checks_out

ETH and DAI? What the fuck does this have to do with bitcoin?

NatBitty

Ok what’s the best way to short Doge, ADA, XRP, ETH, things of that nature long-term?

YourScienceGuy

Wait so he hid the keys to 46k ETH in a video game cartridge?

LightningTiger_8

Solid start, especially that you’re DCA’ing and already have a cash ISA + stocks ISA. Personally I’d trim XRP a bit and keep BTC/ETH as the core

BaluDaBare

BTC and ETH, yes.

BaluDaBare

Dude I’ve noticed the same. Everytime I took the traditional route to save funds I’d end up just pulling it out for dumb expenses. Now I have a hefty savings, a nice lil BTC and ETH bag, and still adding more. I think it changed my life loudly. Dont get me wrong, I still invest in the stock market for retirement and what not, but I treat my bags as just in case money. And I’m 100% happy with it.

Right-Avocado3870

What the Stable Genius act said was that all stable coins legal in the USA have to be backed by US Treasury bonds. So welcome to the fiat economy! I am not saying that is bad. Stablecoins don't require ETH or BTC, though certainly some exchanges use ETH or BTC for transactions.

entropreneur

I would have assumed it would be lower. 100k ETH, liquidation at 50-65% LTV 14% buffer just seems risky considering the crypto volatility 

Objective_Digit

>The verifier must be neutral, unstoppable, and non-corruptible. It must be a smart contract. Ethereum is currently the only ecosystem with the maturity to run a verifier that: Enforces the law exactly as written Cannot be bribed Cannot be turned off by a new mayor Except that this was violated when in 2016 the DAO was "hacked" and the ETH "community", i.e. an elite number of users, rolled back the chain to bail out their pals.

Django_McFly

r/cc is rabidly anti-defi. it's talked about in the same way that ETH maxis talk about Solana, BTC maxis talk about Ethereum, and Elizabetth Warren talks about Bitcoin.

flying-fox200

That's a very good split. I wouldn't put so much into XRP, but that's my opinion. Nice to see Monero on there. My main suggestion would be to get self-custody right. Don't leave your coins on an exchange or... they're not *your* coins. For Bitcoin, I can recommend BlueWallet (for iOS/Android). For ETH/SOL, MetaMask. For large amounts, you should definitely get a [hardware wallet](https://trezor.io/). In terms of riskier but potentially more rewarding investments, I'd take a look at [BitcoinII](https://bitcoin-ii.org/). It's **literally** the same code as Bitcoin, just re-launched in 2025 with a fresh Genesis block and on a new network. The nodes also have a stricter policy regarding large data transactions, to avoid big data storage on the blockchain (an issue Bitcoin is starting to face).

GrossFleshSack

So just hold ETH..

vipprocr

honestly I'd pull 20-25k and split it between real shit like BTC/ETH and maybe some SEI. let the rest cook in case it actually runs

jawni

>Is that supposed to be some sort of good thing? It's the practical thing that has works best for this market and these assets. You'll notice the biggest lending protocols use variable rates and only smaller protocols with very specific markets used fixed rates in crypto. Check the examples from this article: https://www.coingecko.com/research/publications/fixed-interest-rate-protocols https://88mph.app/ - site works but is functionally dead https://notional.finance/lend-fixed/mainnet/ETH - only $750k of liquidity https://yield.is/ - Shut down https://app.saffron.finance/ - seems deadish, defillama shows very low tvl, app says under construction BarnBridge - dead >The fact that it's been shit for a few years is an awful fact. Yeah, people generally hate Aave and Morpho and they are definitely bad defi protocols because they don't use fixed rates on these volatile assets with fluctuating levels of liquidity. /s Do you understand *why* they used variable rates instead of fixed? Or do you think they just never considered using fixed rates? Like it just slipped their minds? I love how you wanted to sound smart calling out variable rates but instead just outed yourself as not understanding a basic pillar of defi.

Sad-Watch2476

Swapped 2k for ETH and USDT and transferred to my cold wallet just to check. Was easy

Sad-Watch2476

Thought about it. This was my first time using Phantom so I swapped for 1k ETH and 1k USDT and moved to my cold wallet just to see if it was even possible to sell.

account009988

BTC/ETH only, unless you want to lose money

tre6123

borrowing against staked ETH is kinda genius ngl. keeps your upside exposure while getting liquidity. interest rates gonna be brutal tho i bet

Django_McFly

Good if you want to borrow against your ETH. Irrelevant if you don't.

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DryMyBottom

they’re all shitcoins out there beside BTC and matbe ETH

0xAizenn

Just DCA into BTC and ETH and stop staring at the charts for the next 5–10 years. You can also add a few bags from the top 10 mcap coins.

jwz9904

Gold to 5k ahead of ETH!

flying-fox200

Just buy BTC+ETH and hold. Don't trade.

MagixTouch

Best ETH can do is a Wendy’s coupon

BingoWT

And you are still asking if altcoins are still the way to quick gains. Yes, if you think winning the lottery is quicker method to retirement, by all means, put 100% in memecoins. If you wanted to participate in altcoins, ETH should have been the only altcoin for you to consider. Now, if you really wanted to "trade" dogecoin/shiba/etc., that should have been a very small % of your portfolio, maybe 1-2% only.

Sodiac606

Shitcoins are called shitcoins because... well they're shit. I learned my lesson too (thank god only with a loss of +/- 100 USD) but I got burned once and stay with 80% BTC 20% ETH atm.

SeriousGains

Gold 5k, Silver 100, Bitcoin 100K, ETH 5k Let’s see some nice round numbers.

Flashy-Potatoe-Queen

You're only right if you talk about one of the rare POW coins that respect the Nakamoto consensus like Bitcoin or Kaspa. For POS cryptocompanies like ETH, SOL or XRP... It's more similar to the banking system with distribution being more advantageous for insiders or distributing more supply to the rich simply for being rich with staking.

JanSongs

Do you feel the same way about ETH?

Whatswrongwiththat52

After being around since 2019 Stack and hold BTC If you feel like adding ETH/SOL/Link cool....but still same strategy stack and hold Don't buy any shit

Cptn_BenjaminWillard

In other words, JPM likes ETH, and is smack-talking it to make it look worse while they quietly accumulate a few million more. $2400 incoming, another test for the diamond hands.

Alexbobica

I’m still learning. My first investment was ETH, and DCA’ing around the $1,200 range felt like a smart move at the time. I expected more from it, but that’s okay. Meanwhile, AIOZ ended up doing a 15x for me during some of the quietest, reddest market periods. What did I learn? You never really know what will happen in this market, and most predictions, including your own, are usually wrong.

biba8163

> All the Monero fans that invaded this subreddit are super quiet now...on the pump they were in full force, every other post it felt was about XMR Should they be more like insufferable ETH Maxis who keep spouting bullshit narratives like Triple Halving, Supply Crunch, Ultra-Sound Monies, ScamFi, RWA memes and won't shut up while underperforming XMR long term? **From June 2017, middle of the the 2017 bullrun, when Crypto reached large marketcap multi-billion dollar assets* | Crypto | Price Change | |--------|--------------| | ETH | ⬆️ +718.49% | | XMR | ⬆️ +1002.05% | **From June 2021, middle of the 2021 bullrun, when crypto reached trillion dollar marketcap* | Crypto | Price Change | |--------|--------------| | ETH | ⬆️ +15.95% | | XMR | ⬆️ +81.46% |

Crawsh

Bitcoin will have a very acrimonious hard for over QR, and split to legacy chain with no resistance and QR chain. One will be lile BTC, other like BCH. My bet is QR will.be BTC. But that's after years of debates and fights, dragging BTC down, and giving ETH a chance to take over.

jawni

>There's no underlying issue with Ethereum that means smart contracts aren't safe on Ethereum. It's not that black and white. There are certain things that EVM/Solidity do that are more easily exploitable and that is why Move became a popular new VM for chains to use. THe most popular is called reentrancy attacks and it's what caused The DAO hack way back and it's the cause of a lot of exploits. Move made changes to make it significantly harder to exploit, not sure if it's even been done a Move-based chain yet. https://x.com/movebrah/status/1743381295806173650 https://www.astrakode.tech/it/blockchain-it/reentrancy-attack-in-smart-contracts/ https://www.nethermind.io/blog/smart-contract-vulnerabilities-and-mitigation-strategies https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/11102145 edit: just fyi, i only hold SOL/ETH, nothing from any Move-based projects, I just heard about this a while ago.

northcasewhite

>I've wasted my life. Some of us are down 90%+ and you think you wasted your life with ETH which is not even down that much? You would probably think you wasted your life with gold a few years ago. Be more patient. You don't understand that crypto will boom when fiat has major issues.

NatBitty

Better hope it’s a cycle, because for everything other than bitcoin it sure looks like a long term downtrend. I mean honestly though bitcoin has “store of value” / currency debasement for its potential long term case, but what is the long term case for ETH, XRP, ADA, Doge, etc? Like cmon at some point they absolutely will not exist, just a matter of when.

ihavebeenmostly

Some of the crazy crypto mistakes that have made me gasp at times. "have i just lost all my ETH?" after stupidly inputting a seed phrase into a dodgy website "is this exchange/service legit?" after allowing full contract control of a personal wallet and the list goes on really. I'd love to have a million pounds to toy with in the ways I've been witness to.

Altruistic-Raise-579

I mostly agree with the framing, but I think the denominator question is necessary, not sufficient. Yes, at the base layer it’s all database entries. Fiat, ETH, SOL, stablecoins all expandable supply systems. Bitcoin is the outlier with a hard cap, so the denominator is fixed. But control isn’t just about supply. It’s also about **who can change the rules of the database**, **who can censor transactions**, and **who can force upgrades or rollbacks**. Two systems can both have infinite supply, yet radically different power dynamics depending on governance and enforcement. So the real split isn’t just finite vs infinite. It’s finite vs discretionary **and** centralized discretion vs credible neutrality. The denominator matters, but so does who holds the admin keys.

Striking-Name-1165

Staking ETH would be good, you're not just holding it but earning through staking

ShoeBaD

Personally, I diversified into a few alts that have momentum as well. ETH LINK SOL

Witterki

USDT and ETH, having the Pro account is worth it

shaneween

Even ETH is not safe you’re saying?

antoine235

It depends on the crypto you're interested on. BTC, ETH? Very likely too late for the big gains first holders got, though there is still some room for growing. Any other crypto will be a roulette bet.

djejjeff

My trading strategy is based on the following assumptions: 1. The top tier crypto will go up a lot of you have a long investment horizon. At lest 5 years. Top tier I define as BTC, ETH and SOL. 2. I believe SOL will show the highest beta of the three, so SOL has over weight in the portfolio 3. I use levarage, but very modest 1.35x. I know exactly how low my crypto has to go and I know exactly when I will exit and that's long before liquidation and I know how much I will lose if I exit a at this point 4. Then I just sit right tight and add a little when it drops

Glyzzza_

It’s not “too late,” but the game has changed. The days of easy 100× from random coins are mostly gone, yet crypto can still offer strong returns if you focus on long-term investing, DCA, and quality assets like BTC and ETH instead of chasing hype.

Fit-Poet6736

stack BTC and ETH and put it in a Nexo wallet to earn on it. For extra liquidity you can take a loan against your crypto. Simple, easy and safe

DryMyBottom

I get the hype we saw in the past around SOL, but the truth is that beside BTC, and maybe ETH, the crypto space is full os useless junk, and the sooner people understand that the better will be for their savings

HiPattern

You can also run a 4ETH rocketpool validator, will be enabled in February with the Saturn update!

Bitter_Union3565

With $100, I’d keep it simple: mostly BTC and maybe a little ETH for exposure outside Bitcoin. Trying to chase tiny alts with such a small amount usually just ends in frustration. I mostly stick to spot and DCA, and for funds I’m not actively using I’ve looked into non custodial options (came across p2pstaking) so I’m not tempted to chase every hype. Patience beats reacting to every trend.

Realistic_Fee_00001

The reason ETH is its own chain is because BTC got hijacked and the devs refused to built anything useful on it. Take a look at BCHs Cashtokens. ETHs capability but with the scalability of a UTXO chain.

Sea-Environment-5938

This is why “pro-crypto” politicians don’t automatically mean “number go up.” Markets price in narratives fast, and once the hype is fully priced, reality hits: liquidity dries up, leverage gets wiped, and alts get punished hardest. BTC being down 15% while alts are down 70–90% is basically the usual cycle: flight to quality. Curious what people think survives the next 12 months L1s, infra, or just BTC/ETH?

AlphaDolby

When you talk about cycles in regard to crypto, you should soon come to understand how very similar to tarot, astrology and tea leaf reading you are. When is Sagitarius coming into ETH, again, Nostradamus? What we can see is that those big booms are gone, and the altcoin markets reflect that. Bitcoin is the last one standing because people like you still have others holding on. The initial premise "the money of the future" is now clearly invalid and as a result all the investments in the space will soon be underwater. I hope you, dear reader, will not be left holding the bag.

Plenty_Dog_5684

Swap all your SOL ADA and XRP for BTC and maintain a solely BTC and ETH balance. Everything in crypto besides monero and stablecoins follow bitcoin anyway

Schrezberatina

Short answer: There's a type of gambling for every taste. It just depends on your risk appetite. Hoping for an asset's price to eventually appreciate after buying it on spot is only one of those ways. Long answer: Spot trading in crypto to own an asset is actually the outlier in the world of trading. Trading without ownership is the bread and butter of the industry. If you zoom out, people gamble on the price of any asset going up or down and hope to make money off their prediction. Be it forex, commodities, stocks, crypto, or whatever. Exchanges simply provide the means to do it. And since people will lose one way or another, the platforms have every incentive to provide such services to make a quick buck. They just need to warn you about the risk and wait till you ignore them. In TradFi, people bet on forex, commodities, penny stocks, and meme stocks the most. But if the price of things like exchange rates between currencies barely moves, it's not as interesting to bet on, and up until TradFi trading got gamified, there was a steep barrier to entry to become a "trader". Meanwhile in DeFi the price of even the most established assets like ETH or BTC is unpredictable and can jump magnitudes. Same goes with any meme coin or taken, but with even more volatility. So it becomes tempting to think that you can make gains off shorting or going long and multiplying that bet with leverage. If you're right, you could make some money. If you're wrong, you're liquidated and gave your money to the exchange's pockets. It's not all that different from prediction markets or sports betting. People don't care if they're making money off a bet that a dog-themed coin's price will crash or that crude oil's price will increase within 24 hours. The playground and tools are different, but the game is the same in the hopes of making money. That's trading in a nutshell. Ownership of the asset is usually not why most users are in crypto. If that were the case, they wouldn't keep their crypto on exchanges. Even in the world of stocks, it is easier to get into margin, option, and futures trading rather than buying actual shares and trading them. A majority of stock platforms don't even give the option to buy the actual shares.

Impressive_Iron2885

well certainly didnt think id become a millionaire on a small ETH purchase 5 years ago but it’s hard not to notice how despite the movement it never really “moves” and just seems immune to breakout. but to answer you more specifically my enthusiasm for ETH (and BTC) is rooted in my frustration with the current banking paradigm. they are literally a drag. i want my money to be ‘money’ as soon as i deposit it in my account. that sorta nonsense. plus the exploitation and creating money out of thin air etc. i’d hoped i could invest in an easier, fairer future. something that materially makes many lives better…as opposed to buying palantir which would’ve made me rich and probably coming to regret it one day. also..im an absolute novice in all this so by all means tell me im a nut

MaximumStudent1839

My advice is to at least grok the project if you want to rotate into it. Even grok knows the project had somewhat a severe division in the dev team on the matter of adding proof of stake on top of its proof of work mechanism. The threat of moving consensus method nearly always raise big hubbub, look at ETH merge as miners used media to relentlessly attack ETH.

drifterlady

At some point will ETH be the favoured currency?

epic_trader

Supply and demand mechanics magically don't apply to ETH?

byylu

In the age of Solana and ETH tokens, it’s easiest to just call everything a SCAM. But if someone actually wants to invest, they should DYOR and then they’ll understand that $PEP is something different. No shilling, everything’s on pepecoin.com. You can check r/Pepecoin / pepecoin.com or discord . One day, everyone will be talking about us.

MinimalGravitas

For ETH your best bet is a 'Safe' multisig. This is what basically every DAO, every dApp treasury, every OG, and even the Ethereum Foundation themselves uses (obviously don't trust me though, do some research to check yourself). A multisig means that you set up a wallet that has multiple other wallets as 'signers' (as many as you want), and transactions can only be sent if a number of the signers, sign the transaction (you set how many you want to require). So as an example, you could set up a '2 of 4' multisig, meaning that there are 4 wallets that can sign transactions for your safe, and you need 2 to confirm before a transaction will go through. The 4 could be: * A Railway wallet on your PC; * A Rabby wallet on your phone; * A Metamask wallet on your spouse's phone; * A key that only exists on paper at your parent's house. Normally at home you just use your PC and phone, if you are out you can use your phone and get your spouse to confirm on theirs, if your phone breaks you can use your PC and your spouse can confirm, if you and your spouse both lose your phones while kiteboarding the you can retrieve the spare key from your parents... And if someone hacks your PC they can't get your crypto, or if they steal your phone, or rob your parents etc... Obviously as you can have any number of devices as signers and any number of required signers to confirm then you can make the setup as complex and secure as you like. Anyway, here's the link: https://safe.global/

opossomSnout

I’ve held 3 ETH for just under 5 years. I’m down 12%. Not the best use of my money lol

MinimalGravitas

> it doesn't mean anything for the value of the coin itself I think there are two main counterpoint's to that: Firstly, when investors are looking for a crypto project to invest in, it seems likely that they would put some weighting on that choice towards the metric of the network's use. If your bank, your asset manager, your card payment provider etc all use a particular chain then would you not feel safer investing there than in something which no one uses? Secondly, each of the use cases requires some amount of transactions, and these (ultimately) can only be paid for in ETH. This creates an organic demand for the asset that is unaffected by crypto market conditions. For useless chains like Bitcoin, the only demand comes from buyers believing they will be able to sell at a higher price at a later date. For assets that have use cases the extra demand will (eventually) mean that even in the depth of a bear market there will always be some entities buying. At the moment the amount of ETH used is very small compared to the amount being bought as an investment, but, as institutions like Blackrock keep pointing out, the number of uses cases is up-only.

Medium_Change4574

ETH to 5k before Gold back on the menu?

ieatvegans

Sweet! ETH back above $3000. Now we just need another +$2000 and we'll be at ATH (and I'll be a genius again).

piggleii

Who here was bullish on ETH in 2026 because of Ben Cowen?

__redruM

Too late, especially for someone who doesn’t know crypto. BTC and ETH are likely still worth holding. Look at stocks too. Don’t expect easy gains. Go for long term, buy and hold, investing.

Impressive_Iron2885

takeaway: expect ETH to be around $3500 for the next ten years.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Ethereum has become the backbone of global finance, with traditional financial institutions, tech giants, and fintechs adopting its blockchain for various applications. Swiss banks are testing interbank settlements, JPMorgan has migrated its JPM Coin to Ethereum's Layer 2, and companies like Google, Fidelity, and Mastercard are integrating Ethereum-based solutions. Asset tokenization and programmable finance are driving this shift, positioning Ethereum as the foundation for the future financial system. ETH is increasingly seen as a critical infrastructure for global finance. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

biba8163

**Real World Financial Products** - **Checking accounts** - for everyday daily activities for paying bills, debit cards, ATMs - **Savings accounts** - for storing money that is GUARANTEED by the government for up to $250K - **Certificates of Deposits** - GUARANTEED fixed interest. - **IRA** - Tax advantaged or 100% tax free (Roth) retirement accounts - **Brokerage accounts** - Access to investment products including stocks, bonds, REITS (Real Estate Investment Trusts) - **Personal Loans, Home Loans, Mortgages, Home Equity Loans, etc** - **Home Owners Insurance, Auto Insurance, Life Insurance, etc** - **Small Business Loans, Commercial Loans** **DEFI - Bullshit scam narrative from the Summer of 2020** - Essentially a Shitcoin Casino. Leveraged plays, trading shitcoin tokens, earning yield on shitcoin tokens by providing liquidity on shitcoin tokens which all drop 70%-99% when BTC goes into a bear market. NOT FINANCE in ANY WAY - Every player like, MakerDAO, AAVE, LINK etc, is COMPLETELY CENTRALIZED - There are NO real life financial products like life, home, health insurance, mortgages, home equity loans, car loans, personal loans without massive collateral, commercial loans, etc. Again, shitcoin trading, yield farming, etc. NOT FINANCE in ANY WAY - Then you slap some scamified metrics like TVL based on scam tokens locked up to make gullible fools believe real capital is locked up instead of vaporware scam tokens. Innovation is just crypto hype to sell you a bunch of shitcoins that make the founders and VC rich. The Use Cases are that are being adopted are clear: - Store of value = BTC - Payments, transfers, remittances = Stablecoins - Rails for Stablecoins = Ethereum, Tron, Solana, ETH L2s, etc. - Privacy *(Very little wide level public interest but honorable mention here)* There has been little innovation of anything that can provide real world value and adoption outside BTC. - Stablecoins were the result of the Omni Layer created on top of Bitcoin that allowed custom token ownership and transfer in the network which allowed for the creation of ICOs and the launch of Tether on the Bitcoin network. Other networks like Ethereum and Tron now provide the rails for Stablecoins instead of BTC which functions as a decentralized store of value. Smart Contracts have NOT proven to provide any type of real world value except for trading, leveraging, gambling, lending and yield farming shitcoins on DeFi casinos.

Arijan101

Hey Genius! Still think ETH was undervalued at $3.3 k ? 🤡

biba8163

> zoom out - 99% of crypto is down big from 4 years ago - 99.9% of crypto is down even bigger from 8 years ago Even most of the top 10 from 8 years ago are sitting at massive losses. **Top 10 from 8 Years Ago (Jan. 1, 2018)** Crypto | Price Change | |:--------|--------------:| | BTC | ⬆️ +552.81% | | ETH | ⬆️ +283.19% | | XRP | 🔻 -20.56% | | BCH | 🔻 -75.54% | ADA | 🔻 -51.00% | | LTC | 🔻 -70.14% | | IOTA | 🔻 -97.71% | | NEM | 🔻 -99.93% | | XLM | 🔻 -66.73% | | DASH | 🔻 -93.39% | https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/20180101/

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Excellent-Yellow-883

I bought Ada in 2021 when it is 1/3 of ATH. I sold it recently and change to something else after it become 1/3 of what I paid for.. 4-5 years later. Invest on BTC/ETH or bet on other altcoin. Ada is not going anywhere. When it “has potential” for so long, it is actually a lost cause.

AnusMistakus

I don't remember ETH dropping 0.5% on the 5 minutes chart for 20 min straight without relief ....my guess is that there is some bad news (war with iran ?) but it's not public yet.

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neo101b

What makes you think its a scam ? I have looked into, the token and the tech is pretty impressive. Its is or will be 100% decentralised, relying on L1 to sequence the transactions. Then they have preconfirmation, cheap fast transaction as well as being fully 100% compatible with ETH. They don't have control of Taiko, nor do they hold more than 20% of the funds. I don't think they set out to scam, its was probably a technological problem is the reason why they left. I'm guessing Daniel moving to Taiko was about pursuing a 'Based Rollup' architecture which is arguably the most decentralized way to scale Ethereum by letting L1 handle the sequencing. It was a pivot toward more decentralization, not less. It just may not of been technically possible with loopring, to have that feature so he left to create a true decentralised token.

JustExpert6

I don't know how to transfer money from my wallet 😐 The total amount distributed for your shares was based on the closing price of ETH as reported by Yahoo Finance on the Record Date of September 26, 2025, which was $4,035.89

iamjide91

I don't have bear targets, but I have prices I'd love to start sweeping the dips. BTC <85K, ETH <2,765, SOL <119, & I think it's good time to buy AIOZ.

DiligentGambler4

If I started with $1k today: * **60% BTC/ETH**, DCA * **25% top alts** to learn * **10% spec plays max** * **5% cash** Use a major exchange + strong security, don’t leave everything on CEX. Avoid leverage, signals, hype calls, and DMs. Year 1 goal isn’t profit — **it’s not blowing up and learning.**

jawni

I find it kind of funny how these posts get made about Ethereum breaking usage records and no one bats an eye, but if you made the same post about Solana you'd have the entire subreddit questioning it. The truth is, this has been a pretty common occurrence on a lot of chains, especially as they have upgraded throughput. Typically it isn't dusting attacks, rather arb bots/mev, but with ETH L1 having the lion's share of TVL, that might be what drives the different usage here. It happens on Base, Arbitrum, Optimism, and on Solana. If you have a lot of assets/trading/volume, it's going to happen. Here are some other interesting things to note: --- >In Q1 2025, optimistic MEV made up: >🔹 Over 50% of gas used on Base and Optimism >🔹 Only 7% on Arbitrum --- >Despite consuming over half the gas on Base and Optimism in Q1 2025, these MEV bots pay less than 25% of total gas fees. They dominate blockspace without paying their share. --- >The economic limits imposed by MEV are visible across the industry. On Solana MEV bots consume 40% of blockspace but only pay 7% of fees. --- >In the worst case, spam neutralizes scaling altogether >From Nov '24 to Feb '25, Base added 11M in gas/s throughput. Three Ethereum Mainnets worth of capacity! >It was all consumed by spam bots. --- Sources: https://x.com/liobaheimbach/status/1935362742883434759?s=20 https://x.com/bertcmiller/status/1934657926272307332 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2506.14768 (the full research paper) https://arxiv.org/abs/2506.01462 (partially related research paper) >How should people actually be measuring “real” usage once fees stop being the constraint? Fees are probably still the best measure of usage.

Numerous_Ruin_4947

Retail can still win - just not by trading short-term noise. ETH is a good example. It’s gone from \~$4k down to \~$2k multiple times. If you timed it perfectly, sure, you could’ve sold high and bought lower. But those moves took months, not days, and almost nobody times them consistently. Personally, I don’t try to trade that. I’m bullish long-term, so I just hold through the volatility. Yeah, it’s a roller coaster - but trying to out-trade the market usually ends worse than just riding it out. Retail loses when it overtrades. Retail can still win by thinking in years, not weeks.

biba8163

~1 Year Ago: - BTC Maxis were giving Trump a handjob because he was creating a Bitcoin Strategic Reserve - ETH Maxis were tickling Trump's balls because the Trump Crime Family had created WLFI DEFI lol and were buying ETH, AAVE, etc with money from scamming people selling $TRUMP and WLFI tokens - XRP Lunatics happily had their noses up Trump's ass tossing his salad because he was firing Gary Gensler and the SEC would no longer be "persecuting" scammers like Ripple

DBRiMatt

I would choose ETH or LTC. Even ETH Mainnet is very cheap these days.

Takakikun

Mostly BTC & ETH. Some Alts that I’ll convert to ETH anyway. But that’s somewhat beside my question which is what is the best to send from Kraken to Revolut? Stable Coin or GBP?

DryMyBottom

ETH collecting all the possible records lately, but the price one :/

tornavec

Bitcoin rallied, yet ETH still managed to crash 50%. Given that, I wouldn't be surprised if Ethereum plunges 80% in this Bitcoin downturn.