ETH

ubermensch1001

He isn't the only one, there were several other posters on here that were arguing with me about this. This was a reply I made to another poster more or less arguing with me about the same thing pertaining to buying ETH vs. ADA right now. "Let's say we go into 2027; the market is starting to get into a bullish environment and BTC is trading at 90k+. Let's say ETH at this point is trading at 4k, so a little over a 50% move from here. What do you think would happen with the rest of the alts? In this environment, do you see ADA at best matching ETH's performance by only being at 30 cents? Very short term price action is impossible to predict and pointless. For instance, in the fall of 2024 ADA was trading around 35 cents while ETH was at a similar price to where we are currently, about $2400. After the 2024 election hype ADA traded as high as $1.30 while ETH peaked at about 4k. I'll use XLM as an example from that same time period. Right before the election it was trading around 10 cents and then climbed above 50 cents at it's peak, so a 5x. A weak example would be LTC, it was around $65 and peaked at a little over $100 in this same time period. Another one is Bcash, both of these had very little price movement for years leading up to this, at least relative to the rest of the alts out there. The whole point is that when we do get bullish phases with alts, ETH leads and many of the alts with smaller market caps will OUTPERFORM it. IF someone were looking to do this, they need to be able to identify the correct time to be buying. I'm not saying people should do this, the point is that when ETH pops hard relative to BTC the broader alt coin market follows along even stronger. It has nothing to do with fundamentals of the coin lol. If you aren't aware, virtually all alts, including ETH, are primarily driven by hype and speculation. Picking the horse that runs the fastest is honestly going to come down to luck. What is NOT luck is identifying when these alts are low and where they could be making large gains for profit. What you are seeing now is NOT a bullish phase in the market, it's a bear market rally. This is not the same as the Q1 2024 ETF pump, the Q4 election pump or the spring 2021 alt season. When this occurs again, and it will, you will see what I'm describing here play out."

adsus4

Always go for BTC and ETH.

Rich-Independence466

Bitcoin ETH and Zcash are the safest and most stvale plays. Everyone was calling me crazy when I was screaming to buy zcash around $12….now its over a thousand and I believe it will be $50k eventually. In 2016 zcash was worth more than Bitcoin. Zcash is what Bitcoin was supposed to be its faster and has true privacy. Screenshot this post and come back in 2-5 years and say thank you.

faisal_yk26

Nobody's asked the actual question: is that $100 a week money you can afford not to see for a few years? Coming out of the mines with irregular income that matters way more than which coin. A first timer who buys BTC with money they need in eight months still sells at the worst moment, and then the coin choice was irrelevant. If it's genuinely spare, weekly buys into BTC and ETH is the boring right answer and you can ignore most of this thread.

DimeCandie

The Big Three BTC SOL ETH - also HYPE

magus-21

"Keep it basic" means putting it into VTI, not a shitcoin like BTC or ETH.

GreedVault

BTC AND ETH. nothing else

Suitable_Acadia_190

In this cycle now, ETH & LINK

NoBrosCrypto

BTC and ETH are the two to stick with. I would advise against 2 years, you’d likely want longer to get the real upside BUT if your aim is for a trade then you’ve timed it well and you ‘should’ do well on a 2 year horizon as you’re catching the tail end of the bear market. I say should as nobody can predict the future. Re BTC mining - unless you’re hobby mining or have access to cheap electricity it’s probably not worth it.

Suspicious_Dog_5874

**Jokes aside, when you look at how ETH is struggling to hold support, it’s hard not to feel the capitulation. The fatigue in this altcoin market is very real this time."**

NeonMaxi

I’d get some BTC or if you want to get active in DeFi get some ETH

Specialist_Top_8480

For a 5 to 7 year hold I’d keep it pretty boring personally and lean much more toward BTC or ETH than trying to find some tiny coin that might 50x. The shorter-term stuff is a completely different question. I’ve had a few small Moon experiments running lately just to test different market scenarios but I wouldn’t mix that mindset with a long term portfolio. For something you want to forget about for years, simplicity probably wins.

cali_dave

Lots of stuff. I can't consolidate years of research into a Reddit comment, but I'll start with a couple things: Liquid non-custodial staking. On Ethereum, for example, if you don't have 32 ETH to run your own validator and you want to earn a passive yield, you have to send your ETH to a third party like Lido. You then get rewards in a separate token which you have to convert if you want to exit your position. In addition, the tokens are locked up in the smart contract - you can't move your ETH around freely. With Cardano, your ADA never leaves your wallet. You receive rewards in ADA, not a rewards or wrapped token. You don't have to trust that Lido or whoever is handling your tokens correctly. There is no slashing. The eUTXO model. There is no variable gas fee. You know exactly what the fee will be before you submit the transaction. You know that the transaction will succeed. You don't need a smart contract to launch a token. Cardano is big on trustless systems. You don't need to trust all these third parties to do things because the blockchain handles it natively. Midnight is going to be even better. Selective disclosure (the bouncer at the bar doesn't need to see your whole ID with your address, birthday, and weight on it, he just needs to know you're of legal drinking age) - privacy where you want it. Holding NIGHT generates DUST which is used to pay for transaction fees. In other words, transactions are free unless you're exceeding your DUST generation. There's a lot of really cool tech in Cardano that doesn't matter to people who are only looking for a quick buck.

North_Ad_9999

Buy ETH And don't BitCH

Active_Monitor_6925

Seems like the only cryptos with promise are BTC, SOL, XRP and ETH. Everything else is either a scam or useless.

QuaternionsRoll

\>Technically you can trace it with reasonable sureness, if you have that metainformation that it came from an ETH swap This is exactly my point. They didn’t *just* give the Z->Z txid, but also the knowledge that a T->Z transaction immediately preceded it. This is more-or-less equivalent to giving a Monero txid along with the knowledge that an ETH->XMR swap immediately preceded it. In both cases, privacy was not compromised by the ability to perform a public transaction, but rather by information connecting the public transaction to the private one. Simply executing T->Z transactions as soon as you receive funds to a t-address (rather than just before you want to send them from a z-address) is sufficient to eliminate this concern, just as swapping ETH for XMR as soon as you receive ETH (rather than just before you want to send XMR) does.

anymonero

No, that comparison is wrong. The ETH-XMR swap is public, yes. But when I donate my freshly acquired XMR and give you the txid, you couldn't determine my ETH address from it (which is what happened to the Twitter user) Caveat: Technically you can trace it with reasonable sureness, if you have that metainformation that it came from an ETH swap, but that is due to ring signatures and an implementation detail of Monero, and not due to not having transparent addresses which we're discussing. It's actually an argument AGAINST transparency and a reason why you should use Monero-only. It's why I recommend & use Monero, and nothing else. And once the next hard fork launches, I can finally stop adding that caveat whenever I mention Monero's privacy guarantees.

Pleasant_Maybe_5523

For 5–7 years I’d honestly keep it pretty boring. Mostly BTC, maybe some ETH. I’ve seen enough altcoins disappear after a cycle to not bet too heavily on them long term.

Temporary-Cause730

Wtf i BDAG??? Invest in BTC, HYPE, ETH, SOL, stop buying these random craps.

Temporary-Cause730

And the weirdest thing is that you can actually love both! These Monero shills think that you can only have one coin in your portfolio, it's so bizarre. I have a lot of ZEC, but I also have XMR, because I believe the privacy narrative will be profitable in the next few months/years. I also have BTC, HYPE, ETH and SOL, four different L1s.

QuaternionsRoll

\>This user thought he was safe by using a shielded address: This is basically equivalent to exchanging ETH for Monero on Hyperliquid, immediately transacting it, publishing the transaction ID, and then being surprised that it is relatively easy to guess your ETH address. Unshielded transaction support is fine, but freely converting between shielded and unshielded is not.

treatmelikeawhat

again, you don’t understand how alt seasons work. demonstrably proven that it’s better holding ETH til it’s at least approaching ATH again, and then rotating into alts. again, when pointed out to you that everything else bounced higher during BTC’s leg up, you ignored it because it doesn’t fit your false narrative. so continue teaching incorrectly from your soap box.

ubermensch1001

Yeah, man, I've been in this space since 2018, BTC is the only thing I'm still holding from way back then. Going into the bull market of spring 2021 I had large bags in ETH, LTC and Bcash. ETH I continued to hold until early 2024 when I converted it into BTC after months of thinking about it lol. LTC and Bcash I exited a very long time ago, they were bags I bought on robinhood in late 2020 that I rode into huge profits in 2021. My average on LTC was $40 and it peaked at $400 that year and for bcash my average was $200 and it peaked at $1400. 80% BTC right now but have large holdings in ETH and ADA. ETH I bought heavily last spring when it's pairing to BTC was under .02 and ADA I've been buying heavily whenever it was under 30 cents. Scooped some up with the lows here earlier in the summer but mostly just been buying BTC this year. This stack of cash I have in reserve is going to be my last big move for a while so I want to spend a lot of time weighing my options.

ubermensch1001

Bro, I'm talking about right here and right fucking now with ADA. The guy has these coins locked in at the time we are writing on here. Let's say we go into 2027; the market is starting to get into a bullish environment and BTC is trading at 90k+. Let's say ETH at this point is trading at 4k, so a little over a 50% move from here. What do you think would happen with the rest of the alts? In this environment, do you see ADA at best matching ETH's performance by only being at 30 cents? Very short term price action is impossible to predict and pointless. For instance, in the fall of 2024 ADA was trading around 35 cents while ETH was at a similar price to where we are currently, about $2400. After the 2024 election hype ADA traded as high as $1.30 while ETH peaked at about 4k. I'll use XLM as an example from that same time period. Right before the election it was trading around 10 cents and then climbed above 50 cents at it's peak, so a 5x. A weak example would be LTC, it was around $65 and peaked at a little over $100 in this same time period. Another one is Bcash, both of these had very little price movement for years leading up to this, at least relative to the rest of the alts out there. The whole point is that when we do get bullish phases with alts, ETH leads and many of the alts with smaller market caps will OUTPERFORM it. IF someone were looking to do this, they need to be able to identify the correct time to be buying. I'm not saying people should do this, the point is that when ETH pops hard relative to BTC the broader alt coin market follows along even stronger. It has nothing to do with fundamentals of the coin lol. If you aren't aware, virtually all alts, including ETH, are primarily driven by hype and speculation. Picking the horse that runs the fastest is honestly going to come down to luck. What is NOT luck is identifying when these alts are low and where they could be making large gains for profit.

ubermensch1001

2024-2025 we never had an alt season. However, in an environment like in the spring of 2021 EVEYTHING pumps hard when a wave of liquidity enters in with FOMO and euphoria. LTC in the spring of 2021 trading above $400, it's highs from 2017. I'm not saying to buy LTC, but the point is that everything does this under this types of market conditions. If you can spot when it's a good time to buy alts you can make moves. With this particular thread, you could buy ADA around 20 cents and hold this for a period of time. When the market has some sort of euphoria, which eventually will happen, you can bet this will pump. We can speculate all day as to what this could do, but buying at this point IF you wanted to would be solid. In my honest opinion, alts collectively are for speculative moves and swing trading, including ETH. They should only be touched when looking at it with this lens AND with the goal to swing trade this for profits. If you can identify when it is the correct time to be buying them you'll do well. For instance, I didn't touch ETH at all in 2022-2024 because it's pairing to BTC was still strong. However, in the spring of 2025 it dropped under .02 to BTC, it's cycle lows with it's BTC pairing that go all the way back to late 2019. I made a lump sum purchase here. Now, I could have been buying ETH at a similar price in the 2nd half of 2022, but it's pairing to BTC at the time was ABOVE .05. If I had bought ETH at the time I would have watched this slowly bleed compared to BTC over those years. For instance, 10 ETH bought at 1.2k in late 2022 could have bought me roughly .75 BTC. That 10 ETH in the spring of 2025 would have been only worth .2 BTC. Most people don't understand this, which is why they either get wrecked by buying alts at high $ valuation OR where they would have made better gains just buying BTC instead.

treatmelikeawhat

ffs we all understand. you dont understand. In the time it takes you waiting for another 2x, you could have better returns NOW elsewhere. You might be waiting half a year while other things are outpacing ADA. ever heard of opportunity cost? they brought up how ETH and SOL bounced much higher on BTC’s recent leg but you ignored that. having BS flawed logic like “2x from here” is why crypto holders lose money holding bags. where is the greatest return NOW. cycling smaller gains multiple times works out better in the end

UC_DiscExchange

You haven't given a single reason that I've seen to argue that it is other than saying it's down more than ETH. There's no actual analysis in that and it's perfectly understandable if people believe ETH has the stronger fundamental outlook.

ubermensch1001

Bro, you just explained wtf I'm getting at lol. What is more undervalued right now, ADA or ETH? That's exactly what I'm trying to explain to you people lol.

UC_DiscExchange

My whole point is that it's not necessarily easier for it to double. That thinking is a logical fallacy. Despite going parabolic anyone in finance would tell you it's easier for Nvidia to double than it is for Nike, which is down 80%. That's because Nvidia has a fundamental reason to continue growing while Nike losing market share. Prior price action is not correlated to future price action and it isn't the basis of any intelligent investment thesis. The true answer to your question is to ask whether ADA or ETH has a fundamental claim to being undervalued today and answering that question has nothing to do with what the price used to be.

ubermensch1001

The whole fucking point is that for ADA to double to 40 cents is a far easier task than for ETH to double to 5k. When the market gets bullish everything pumps. This isn't difficult to understand. I'm not even saying he should buy more ADA. It's not going to $0 and can easily hit multiples from here without getting anywhere near $1, let alone all time highs. I wouldn't sell a position at the bottom after retail has already capitulated and while whales accumulated. I would let this position ride while I was buying something else this year. He only owns 10k ADA, which isn't even that much $ anyway. I'm 80% Bitcoin and been here since 2018, that's what I'm primarily accumulating this year. If I wanted to make some easy short term swing trades ADA wouldn't be a bad choice from here for the reasons I've mentioned. I'm not particularly excited about buying Sol or ETH at these prices again for reasons I mentioned IF my goal was a shorter term swing trade.

HoldCtrlW

ETH resistance looks like it's holding. $2400 is strong support

HowSporadic

Yup, just like BTC, ETH, just went up, until it all falls down

jawni

It is plenty fast but average gas fees literally surpassed the gas prices on ETH L1 at one point which isn't a great sign.

unknowngloomth

I'm a mercenary. I could care less about this "BTC is the only legit crypto" I'm here to make money. I take profits. I'm not like you who's bagholding BTC. You just didn't marry BTC but you also had kids with it. Brutal. ETH? Lmaooo 🤣

MinimalGravitas

> "still" When was the last time you used Ethereum? The current fees are: * Sending ETH: < $0.02 * Swapping tokens: ~ $0.25 * Borrowing assets: ~ $0.20 * Bridging to an L2: ~ $0.08 Current gas fees are easily checkable at https://etherscan.io/gastracker.

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chainglance_cm

The L2 scaling is real but it comes with fragmentation. Liquidity and state are split across arbitrum, optimism, base, and more. ETH as a whole is fast and cheap now, but moving between L2s still means bridging, each one's basically its own island. Also most "eth killers" are evm compatible too, so the language isn't really the moat. The actual moat is a decade of accumulated liquidity and trust, way harder to replicate than syntax.

ubermensch1001

Lol, bro you don't even know what that guy's $ cost average is on his ADA bag lol. Where tf did he mention buying at a $1, he said he was hoping for it wtf. The whole fucking point is that if someone had a position in ADA right now it would be far easier for that to 2x from here compared to ETH. Maybe he just bought these ADA tokens at these lows or maybe he bought them a while ago. How do you not understand this?!?

ubermensch1001

You obviously don't get what I'm talking about just like the other guy. What is easier from here, a 2x for ADA or ETH?

ubermensch1001

You obviously do because you are going on about it earlier as if it had any relevance to what is being discussed. The whole fucking point is that the guy who made this thread has 10k ADA tokens and that selling makes no sense given we are at the bottom of the market. A 2x going back to 40 cents is way easier than if he took these funds and reallocated them into ETH or Solana where for them to do a 2x gets close to their all time highs. You can make fantastic returns from here without it going any near all time highs or even $1. I'm not speculating on longer term potential, but when the market runs everything runs. I shouldn't even have to explain this.

MayaCrafts91

Yeah, that makes sense. I’m probably going to keep BTC/ETH as the core and only use SOL for a smaller part, especially since one bad wick can undo a lot pretty quickly. The leaderboard is already looking interesting though, curious how aggressive people are going to get with the remaining days.

MayaCrafts91

Yeah, that’s pretty much where I’m leaning too. BTC and ETH for liquidity, then SOL for the extra movement. Not sure how I am going to perform. I will probably provide some updates later. I'm very new on trading.

Michael-Ryder

For a short competition I’d probably stick with BTC, ETH and SOL. Enough liquidity to get in and out easily, but SOL still gives you more volatility if you’re actually trying to trade rather than just hold.

Swift-Teapot-751

I’d probably go BTC, SOL and ETH. Curious what everyone else is picking, especially for the higher-volatility plays.

ubermensch1001

You don't get it, bro. ADA going to 30 cents would be a 50% move from here and 40 cents is close to a 2x. A 2x on ETH is close to ATH territory and not far off for Sol. The point is that ADA doesn't need to do all that much to see these types of gains while for those other 2 it would be a very big deal. You are parroting too much nonsense from reddit here and don't understand what I'm talking about. Retail completely capitulated after the yoroi wallet hack while whales were loading up on ADA, does it make more sense to do what retail did or take notice of what whales did instead? ADA will run with the rest of the market when it gets bullish again and you could potentially huge gains without needing to get anywhere near ATHs.

Main-Towel-3678

Ok and? You realize ETH was $1560 SOL was $60 two months ago? And don’t involved sticking with a project no one has given a shit about for years?

Main-Towel-3678

Waiting for double is a hurdle you might shoot yourself in the foot for. What’s more likely to be up 25% within 6 months? ETH and SOL are up 35% in a month, while ADA is only up 15%.

ubermensch1001

What is more likely to 2x from here, cardano or Solana? Cardano or ETH? Cardano or XRP?

AirlineFluffy1320

BTC and ETH. AXGT for a utilty token, and HOLD for meme token. If you want, ask and I'll give you contract addresses for AXGT and HOLD.

ubermensch1001

Outside of BTC, the main alts are ETH, XRP, Sol, ADA and Link. You probably could add Tron there as well. The whole point is that if you are still holding ADA right now it makes absolutely no sense to be selling near the lows here lol, which is exactly what retail did back in June after the yoroi wallet hack.

_Commando_

The only thing that I don't like about ADA is that "A LOT" of the activity is actually "off chain" at least 50+% of it via their partners and bridges, which is why I always keep seeing comments like "oh Cardano is dead, no activity..." but in reality it's quite the opposite. I mined ETH when it was $3, also mined BTC when it was sub $60 so I've been around for a while and know ADA is holding a great set of cards. As the old saying goes "Good things take time".

ubermensch1001

If in 2027-2029 we actually get a lot of euphoria into the crypto market ADA will ride along with it. 2024-2025 we essentially had no alt season and it was entirely BTC, with a select few alts doing very well; Solana and XRP in particular. ETH really didn't do anything during this time, summer of 2023 it was trading at a similar price to where we were until this pump in the market in August. Let's say we see BTC hit a new all time high and go above 200k in 2028, alts for sure will rally hard. Seeing ETH at 5k+ will be very easy and I think this is when we actually see the alt season everyone was hoping for in 2025. If ETH gets to 8k+ it's not at all unrealistic to see ADA back to $1+. We can speculate all day as to whether it will go to it's ATH of $3 or well beyond, but the point is that EVERYTHING will run hard if we do in fact see an alt season. ADA right now at 20 cents is at a place where huge gains can be made WITHOUT even needing to be anywhere near ATH.

Infinite_Raise8611

Well by pure return vs BTC Eth underperformed, SOL absolutely destroyed BTC, AVAX underperformed, XRP underperformed but hardly, XLM basically same return, and Zcash obliterated them all. I sold all near top and have reentered and am very confident in my allocation heading towards this next cycle. Would be shocked if ETH/SOL don’t outperform BTC this next cycle.

ubermensch1001

I would just let that bag ride, it's a decent size to where if it does well you can make a good amount of money but it's not so much where you should consider reallocating these funds into something else. It's a little over 2k right now, less than 1 ETH and about .025 BTC. However, it's incredibly low right now and could easily make very large returns, getting to just 40 cents is almost a 2x from here. Not saying you should buy more of it, but I wouldn't really consider selling unless you don't have much $ to throw into the crypto space and this is a major part of your portfolio.

677ITF

Cardano's numbers are awful. The public looks at Cardano as an absolute joke. Then Charles talks and it makes things 10x worse. ETH won financial institutions and SOL gained the attention of retail to make it what it is. Cardano has neither of those.

Infinite_Raise8611

I don’t disagree at all- my crypto portfolio comprised of 60% BTC 18% ETH, 15% SOL/some AVAX/XRP/XLM and rest alt moonshots. I just don’t believe in the industry wide hype wave up again. It’ll be isolated projects w solid fundamentals along w random meme coins. Had little bit of Zcash but dumped it on pump- hope to reenter at some point

unknowngloomth

Did you buy Zcash when it crashed to 200? Did you buy hyperliquid at $10? Did you buy Venice when it crashed to $10? Let me guess. You just holding BTC. Yeah listen to this guy BTC with a market cap at 1 trillion. Buy ETH bruh.. 🤣

Significant_Yak_1108

ETH

Top-Stepdeez

Bitcoin, ETH, $Circle, $Coin, $Hood Dark horses plays: Hyperliquid Solana Chainlink Cryptopunks XCOPY Beeple

erjo5055

I'm not. I've done this in 2017, 2021, 2024/5, it just isn't good investing. I've done far better with BTC/ETH and just being patient. My shit coins are mostly all down 90-99%. Only 1/40 is up and it barely outperformed BTC for way more risk.

GlobalGweiPro

Yeah, that’s pretty much how I see it. The RWA volume is impressive, but volume alone doesn’t tell us how much value reaches ETH. It depends on where the trades settle, how much activity happens on Ethereum or its L2s, and how much revenue the platforms keep. The platforms probably capture the clearest benefit for now

qzvxyr

Lender terms decide this way more than token choice. PAXG and XAUT both track spot close enough that it's noise. What actually matters is whether the platform does independent custody attestations, how their liquidation logic works (hard threshold vs some cushion), and what LTV band they'll actually give you on a gold-backed token vs BTC/ETH, since a lot of platforms quietly cap it lower for RWA collateral

molicechinogy3

Start small, stick mostly to BTC and ETH while you learn, and never invest money you might need soon. DCA beats trying to time every pump. Keep your seed phrase offline, ignore every helpful DM, and do a tiny test transaction before moving larger amounts. Boring habits will save you more than chasing the next 100x.

qwertydcf

Would you rather own - 1 Bitcoin or - 32 ETH or - 800 Solana

LordJamPunt

Gonna miss an easy short on ETH, 1750 next

molicechinogy3

For me the best strategy is boring: DCA into BTC and ETH, keep a small slice for higher risk stuff, and never invest money I might need soon. I also take profits in chunks instead of trying to nail the exact top. Staying consistent and surviving bad markets has worked way better for me than chasing every new narrative.

No-Masterpiece2246

But on the flipside, the global monetary order is being disrupted as we speak. Fiat electronic currencies are in a crisis, and trust in banking is at lows. Central banks print like wildfire and inflation is running away. That's why gold is almost $5k/oz still. Crypto may be overvalued, but every day it gains more users. This increases network effect, which increases the utility of crypto. Mainstream acceptance also creates more trust. Each time governments and the bankers convulse and try to limit crypto adoption, they create more pain for normal people who just want to make money and life comfortably spending what they've earned. Ramping up all of these identity features to banking is making it worse and worse to use. Who wants to do biometrics and have their face scanned every time they buy something? It's idiotic. But this is their vision which is being enacted in China, EU, and USA. Crypto represents and alternative. Bitcoin BTC is probably capped out at $100k since Wall Street is now speculating on it and more or less controlling the price. When they profit they lessen opportunity for other investors and hamper the coin from having more organic growth. That's why other coins like SOL, ETH, XMR and BCH are running.

lovechia93

Been holding SPX6900 for a while and I'm still here. Technically a meme coin, sure, but at this point it feels more like a social movement: one dead simple thesis (hold until we flip the stock market) and a community that never gets tired of repeating it. I was convinced long before the bear, and the bear only confirmed it: it held where others folded. You can't buy that with marketing. The onchain metrics back it up too: supply is accumulating faster and with a higher share of diamond hands than BTC and ETH showed at the same age. Could still go to zero like anything here, but the conviction of the base is hard to ignore.

No-Masterpiece2246

Why even use any Layer 2 tech? Just use any blockchain validated via proof of work. BCH, XMR, DOGE, LTC, etc all work fine and their fees don't go to the moon. Same thing with ERC20 tokens (similar to Layer 2s), they're 99% shitcoins. Just use native ETH or ETC.

HoldCtrlW

I finally closed my short and joining ETH longs! Let's go!

Layskettlecooked

Buy ETH and XRP. The US Senate is going to vote on the clarity act soon and this could be a legendary pump

BasalTripod9684

I really wish people would stop treating it so speculatively. Its a utility coin. Its price is entirely dependent on the size and success of projects on the Ethereum network. The only way ETH grows by any major amount is if the network grows by the same, and it already makes up about half the entire crypto market.

Azra_Meer21

Interesting point. I’d be curious to hear your thoughts on where RWA perps are heading, especially the impact on ETH. Feel free to DM me. I’d be happy to discuss it further.

Agreeable_Example272

hyperliquid is basically printing money off this stuff and nobody talks about it because it's not a shiny new NFT drop or a meme coin doing 1000x. the rwa perp volume is wild though, 2T in a quarter is insane for something that barely existed a year ago as for ETH i think it helps indirectly cause more people using defi perps means more gas burned and more demand for the chain itself even if the price doesn't move much. the real winners are the platforms though no question

HumbleLearner69

Never, BTC ans ETH holdings are partially being transferred to ZEC because of privacy and the limit supply

RADIOSwifties

CRYPTO NEWS!!!!ADVICE. Never trust any MEME coin, "The fall of a dry leaf is a warning to the green ones." Basically, the hype of a MEME is numbered in minutes, hours or week and a new one is made smart people take profits before its all over. Never reinvest in MEME. easy to lose it all. Best invest is in lunch pad at an early stage. RADIO is a broadcasting MEME launcher on Robinhood chain, more development and update is required. PONS went to 1B USD in less than a month. To buy, you need to convert ETH into ETH with a yellow logo, the robin hood chain, and use the robin hood chain ETH to buy, not enough ETH means not enough robin hood chain  ETH  

Traditional_Most105

When i started in July of this year as a beginner i started with revolut, then learned revolut x existed and i wanted the same thing as you, to be exposed to more coins. I searched for exchanges eligible in EU and one of them was kraken... Basically i wanted an exchange that has more newer coins with smaller market cap in order to have a chance for a higher upside. Turns out kraken has more coins but not actually very new ones that i could have a very high upside but i stayed anyway.... The other thing that made me move to kraken is because on revolut x you can't transfer some coins for example from revolut x to kraken or other exchanges or to your wallet if you have one. So that's another reason i moved to kraken... Although i use both revolut x and kraken... i didn't sell my coins on revolut x, i just bought more of them on kraken and i have in both.... Kraken from time to time has promos giving away prizes, for example in july they had 1 million eu prize, and in august they had 15 ETH x 15 people... so it's an addon but it depends on the entries you have which are based on the trades you make... you basically have low chances if you don't put loads of money in to get more entries and essentially more chances while the promo is on and you entered the promo... Kraken has some negativity around it's name from customers as all platforms have... I didn't encounter any problems yet so am good.

quintavious_danilo

ETH just like any other coin piggybacks on BTC‘s back. There might be weeks of over- or underperformance but overall it’s all pegged to BTC price movements. I wouldn’t expect a complete and continuous disconnect anytime soon. So, to answer your question: As soon as BTC decided to go into a full bull run, ETH is going to go towards 4k.

warmBlizzard20

Honestly, I think ETH needs its own narrative instead of just following BTC. If BTC keeps moving up, ETH usually gets a boost, but to really break and hold $4k I’d want to see stronger ETH ETF inflows, more demand for staking, and ETH starting to outperform BTC. If those things line up, $4k doesn’t seem crazy at all. The harder part is getting ETH to stay above it.

SenseiRaheem

I have no answers. Watching ETH performance since 2020 has been heartbreaking. Say whatever you want about “exposure to crypto via ETH in ETFs” or “lots of institutional adoption,” but nothing is really moving the needle lately.

Interesting-Ice72

BTC/ ICP / ETH /XRM/ CRCL-stock option

JustStopppingBye

So by your logic, ETH is a “participation token” too because users won’t have to personally hold it. You got owned so bad you went back to your old argument, which was nothing.

Survivaleast

Using social media and influencers as trusted ‘advisors’ to influence your positions. There is ETH and there is BTC. Anyone else is trying to offload their bags to become your new losses.

crazybird-thereal

The worst mistake is start trading (like daily trading). Except for BTC or ETH and maybe some solid project, everything else will just make someone else than you richer. For now the best start is use BTC as investement for future. You put your money on it once or DCA, then you forget about it, you wait long long time, and profit.

MyNameIzJeff69

Best option is to buy USDC on paytrie.com Send it to a telegram wallet on the network of your choice. I do it on SOL as it has the less fees. It will automatically be swapped for usdt and becomes "networkless" in your telegram wallet until you send it to someone or withdraw to another wallet. You can then withdraw/send on SOL/ETH/TRC20/TON networks. It's basically giving you a free token swap and network swap. You can buy on Paytrie with interact e-transfer but it does require KYC. Transactions are usually processed within the hour.

DangerHighVoltage111

And why did they do that? Because Bitcoin abandoned its promise. Everyone with more than 2 braincells knew this was the end of BTC as p2p cash. Take ETH for example. It only became its own coin because Core refused to add functionality to Bitcoin. Yet, programmability was already built in by Satoshi, yet core refused to develop it.

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Post is by: coinsocialbase and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1wae293/ethereum_sentiment_data_shows_fomo_nearly_double/ Been digging through recent ETH discussion data and one thing stood out: FOMO is sitting at 20% versus FUD at 10%, a pretty clear two-to-one split toward the optimistic side. That's happening while ETH price action is clustered around the 1900 level, which seems to be acting as a psychological reference point for a lot of the conversation right now. What's interesting is the split in *why* people are bullish or bearish isn't really about price alone. The CLARITY Act and other regulatory/ETF developments keep coming up as a catalyst people are watching closely, alongside large whale wallet movements that traders are reading as either accumulation or distribution depending on who you ask. On-chain signals are getting cited by both sides of the argument, which tells me the market hasn't reached consensus on what those flows actually mean yet. The fact that FOMO is elevated but not overwhelming (it's not like 60/5 or something extreme) suggests cautious optimism rather than euphoria. Feels more like people positioning around a potential liquidity-driven move than an all-out hype cycle. What do you think is actually driving the whale activity right now, regulatory clarity expectations, ETF flow anticipation, or something else entirely? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

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I'm a BTC maxi since quite a few years back. If i was forced to buy some alts they'd be ETH, SOL, HYPE, ZCASH, AAVE, BNB and LINK.

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Post is by: coinsocialbase and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1waam2o/ethereum_sentiment_is_oddly_balanced_right_now_20/ Been digging through the recent chatter around Ethereum and what stands out isn't a huge wave of hype or panic, it's how close the FOMO (20%) and FUD (15%) numbers actually are. That's a pretty tight gap, and it lines up with what's happening on the charts too: ETH consolidating between key levels instead of making a decisive move either way. The bullish side of the conversation is mostly institutional: ETF flows, large buyers accumulating, and people reading regulatory signals as a setup for a potential breakout. But the skepticism isn't coming from nowhere either, it's tied to the string of security incidents happening across the broader cross-chain ecosystem, which keeps reminding people that infrastructure risk hasn't gone away just because institutional interest is rising. What's interesting is that this isn't a story of extreme greed or extreme fear, it's almost a stalemate between 'big money is coming in' and 'this ecosystem still has real security problems.' That tension seems to be exactly what's keeping ETH range-bound rather than trending hard in one direction. Does it feel like institutional flows are actually strong enough to outweigh the ongoing hack headlines, or is the market just waiting for one side to blink first? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

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Post is by: coinsocialbase and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1wa72rp/ethereum_sentiment_data_shows_fomo_25_nearly/ Been digging through recent ETH chatter and something stood out: the sentiment split is sitting at 25% FOMO versus 15% FUD, which is a fairly wide gap for a coin that's stuck fighting overhead supply around the 1.9k level. Normally you'd expect more balanced or fearful sentiment when price is butting up against resistance like this, but the data shows optimism clearly winning out right now. What's interesting is where that optimism seems to be coming from. It's not pure price speculation — a lot of the cautiously bullish takes are tied to fundamentals: CLARITY Act regulatory progress, staking demand, ETF flow trends, and on-chain activity metrics. Meanwhile the FUD side of the conversation is almost entirely chart-based, people pointing at resistance levels and questioning whether a breakout is realistic given how much supply is sitting overhead. So you've got a split personality in the Ethereum conversation right now: infrastructure and regulatory narratives pushing sentiment one way, technical chart structure pulling it the other. That kind of divergence between fundamental optimism and technical skepticism is usually a setup worth watching, regardless of which side ends up being right. What do you think is driving more of the current ETH sentiment — the regulatory/on-chain narrative or the technical resistance story, and which one do you think wins out first? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

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Post is by: coinsocialbase and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1wa5wrt/ethereum_sentiment_data_fomo_is_only_sitting_at/ Been looking at how the ETH conversation is actually splitting up lately and the numbers are a bit more balanced than the headlines suggest. FOMO is sitting at 20% and FUD at 15%, which means the bullish accumulation narrative isn't translating into the kind of lopsided euphoria you'd expect given how much attention ETF inflows and institutional buying are getting right now. What stands out is how diffuse the discussion actually is. People are pointing to on-chain accumulation by large holders and framing it alongside AI-related demand for ETH, but there's a real counter-thread of users flagging resistance levels and possible breakdowns that could stall the momentum. So you've got a narrative of "smart money is loading up" running in parallel with genuine caution about price structure, and neither side is dominating the conversation. That 5-point gap between FOMO and FUD is close enough that it reads more like uncertainty than conviction. Usually when a coin has this much institutional/ETF buzz you'd expect FOMO to be running hotter, so the fact that FUD is still holding a decent chunk of the conversation suggests a lot of people are waiting for confirmation rather than already convinced. What's your read on this, does the accumulation story actually hold up when you look at how people are talking about it, or is the caution around resistance levels the more important signal here? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

terp_studios

Same as it’s always been: To continue funnelling funds from users to the ETH foundation, Vitalik, and other pre-sale entities.

fadeddreams555

I think we're partly arguing semantics now. If by "gamble" you simply mean putting capital at risk when the future outcome isn't guaranteed, then sure, Bitcoin is a gamble. But under that definition, buying an individual stock, gold, foreign currency, commodities or a speculative growth company is also a gamble. ETH, SOL, LINK, XRP, etc. gaining against BTC doesn't contradict what I said. I'm not claiming they can't outperform Bitcoin. I'm saying Bitcoin remains a major driver of crypto liquidity and sentiment. An altcoin can gain against BTC during part of a cycle while still getting crushed when the entire crypto market sells off alongside Bitcoin. Like, how many alts have reached their ATH or maintained close to it while Bitcoin was over 50% down? I'm sure some obscure ones have, but far more alts have failed to reclaim prior highs or faded into irrelevance after a cycle. That's what makes them a gamble in comparison. And I didn't say Bitcoin was a collectible. I brought up collectibles because they demonstrate the broader point that an asset doesn't need cash flow or earnings in order to have market value.

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Post is by: coinsocialbase and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1wa4i2z/eth_mentions_just_hit_205x_their_normal_average/ Noticed something interesting in the mention data today. ETH chatter jumped to 399 mentions compared to its recent average of about 194.6, so roughly double the usual volume. What's driving it looks pretty specific: there's a notable whale transfer being discussed, large ETH moved between venues, alongside a high-reach bullish post predicting ETH could get back to 2k soon. There's also renewed talk about 'ETH season' and rally momentum building up in the conversation. The interesting part is that price during the spike hour was actually flat, not pumping, which suggests this is more chatter-driven anticipation than a reaction to an already-moving price. That's usually read as more organic than mentions that just follow a green candle. Whale transfers get noticed because large movements between exchanges or wallets often get read as signals, whether that's accumulation, repositioning, or just wallet management, but the market narrative tends to fill in the story regardless of the actual intent behind the transfer. Anyone else seeing this whale transfer being talked about, or is the ETH season narrative more just recycled hopium at this point? Curious what others think is actually behind the timing of this. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

stockfish11

The exact opposite. As we move into AI world nation state currencies will turn into monopoly money. Btc/eth are the future, 100 percent eth. Btc has some issues but it will eventually be looked at as gold. Gold is a bad investment , but its the stone nuts hedge against disaster. ETH is so intertwined in supply chain and smart contracts its use grows daily. Eth is horribly undervalued. When its 10k in the not too distant future you will kick yourself for not having exposure.

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Post is by: coinsocialbase and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1wa1n47/ethereum_sentiment_data_fomo_is_running_25x/ Been digging through Ethereum sentiment trends and something stood out: FOMO sits at 25% while FUD is only 10%. That's a pretty lopsided ratio, and the conversation driving it isn't random hype, it's specifically tied to whether ETH can clear resistance around $1,900. What's interesting is the split in tone even within the bullish camp. One side is focused on institutional money and ETF inflows as the thing that could actually push price through that resistance level. The other side is more measured, basically saying the inflows are real but the real test is whether ETH can hold above $1,900 once it gets there, not just touch it and fade. This kind of gap between hope and caution at a specific technical level is usually a sign that a lot of people are watching the same price zone and waiting to see who's right before committing to a stronger opinion either way. Low FUD doesn't mean no skepticism, it just means the skepticism right now is more "let's see if it holds" than "this is a bad setup." What's everyone's read on why $1,900 specifically has become the line in the sand for ETH right now? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

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Post is by: coinsocialbase and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1wa0asi/ethereum_sentiment_right_now_fud_is_running_10/ Looked at the last six hours of Ethereum-related tweets and the split is interesting: FUD sits at 25% versus FOMO at 15%. So more people are expressing worry or skepticism than excitement, but it's not a doom spiral either. The overall mood comes across as mixed-to-cautiously-optimistic rather than outright bearish. What's driving the fear side seems to be the usual suspects: volatility, resistance levels that ETH hasn't cleared, and negative headlines circulating. But the optimism side isn't nothing either, people are pointing to ETF-driven institutional inflows and rising on-chain activity (staking numbers coming up a lot) as reasons to think the setup isn't purely negative. It's basically a tug-of-war between traders who see accumulation happening quietly in the background and traders who are focused on price action just not confirming that story yet. What I find notable is that a 10-point FUD-over-FOMO gap doesn't necessarily mean bearish price action is coming, sentiment and price don't always move in lockstep, and sometimes elevated FUD shows up right before consolidation resolves either way. It's more a signal of uncertainty than a signal of direction. Anyone else noticing this disconnect between on-chain/ETF narratives being bullish while social sentiment stays skeptical? Curious what you think is actually driving the fear here, is it just price action lagging the fundamentals or something else people are picking up on? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

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Post is by: coinsocialbase and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1w9zdvp/ethereum_sentiment_check_fomo_is_running_at_25_vs/ Been digging through recent Ethereum-related tweets from the past six hours and noticed something worth flagging: FOMO sentiment sits at 25% while FUD is only 15%. So on the surface that's almost a 10-point gap favoring bullish chatter over bearish, which usually signals traders leaning toward near-term upside expectations. But the actual content behind those numbers is more nuanced than the split suggests. People pointing to bullish catalysts are mostly talking technical breakouts and narrative-driven momentum, not fundamentals shifting overnight. Meanwhile the FUD crowd, even though smaller, is specifically calling out regulatory headlines and macro volatility as reasons to stay cautious rather than just generic bearishness. That's a meaningful distinction, it means the mixed sentiment isn't really bulls vs bears in the classic sense, it's more like short-term technical optimism running into longer-term macro nervousness. What stands out to me is that this isn't a euphoric, all-in FOMO moment for ETH, it's cautious optimism with real hesitation baked in. Sentiment splits like this often show up right before consolidation or a volatility spike, since the crowd is divided on time horizon rather than direction. Anyone else noticing this same tension between short-term technical bullishness and longer-term macro caution on Ethereum right now, or is this just noise? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

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Post is by: coinsocialbase and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1w9yt6v/ethereum_sentiment_is_a_perfect_5050_split_right/ Looked at the sentiment breakdown for Ethereum over the last six hours and what stood out isn't a hype spike or a panic wave, it's the balance: FOMO and FUD are sitting at exactly 20% each. That's unusual because crypto sentiment data is normally lopsided one way or the other, especially in short windows like this. The qualitative side backs this up too. Traders are pointing to accumulation patterns, ecosystem upgrades, and supportive regulatory headlines as reasons for a possible breakout, but there's an equally vocal group flagging macro risk and the chance of a pullback. So you've got a genuine tug of war between "ETH is quietly building a base" and "don't ignore the downside risk" narratives, playing out at the same time rather than one side dominating. What's interesting is that neither the FOMO nor the FUD camp seems overconfident right now, the mixed 20/20 split basically mirrors the mixed commentary itself. That kind of equilibrium in sentiment data usually shows up right before a directional move, since crowds this evenly split can't stay undecided forever. What do you think is tipping the scale for you right now, the accumulation and upgrade narrative or the macro/pullback risk? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

JustStopppingBye

You’re arguing that BTC is a rational speculation, not proving that it can't be considered a gamble. Historical halving cycles don't guarantee future returns….this is literally a gamble. \>Bitcoin doesn't determine the value of altcoins, but it still strongly influences the broader crypto market. If it crashes, everything goes with it for the most part, and vice-versa.  ETH, LINK, SOL, BNB and XRP have all gained against BTC itself. \>Lack of cash flow does not make something a gamble. Gold has no earnings or cash flow either. Neither do currencies, collectibles or many other non-productive assets people invest in. Gold has centuries of monetary, industrial and cultural demand. Bitcoin is also not a collectible lol Fiat** **currencies have value largely because they are established mediums of exchange and units of account, backed by governments.