ETH

edakaya240

If BTC revisits $35k, many large alts could realistically retrace 40–70% from current levels, with weaker narratives underperforming and strong L1s and infra coins holding up better. I’d selectively accumulate assets with real adoption and liquidity (like ETH, SOL, and quality infrastructure tokens) while reducing exposure to purely speculative names. For confirmation of a bottom, I’d look for declining selling volume, stabilization of BTC dominance, and a shift in macro risk sentiment alongside higher-timeframe market structure holding.

TimTheGrim55

So glad I got out of ETH at 4k

DBRiMatt

Been there! I was -80% at one point after buying the 2021 highs. But, averaging down, buying BTC and ETH, I was able to return to a profitable position, about +320% by the time to 2025 high's came around. Shaved some profit, and now I'm accumulating to do it all again!

Additional-Ad3482

I’m in a similar camp. the core bull case for me is ETH as settlement infrastructure, not a hype asset. The combination of PoS economics, staking yield, and L2s still anchoring to Ethereum makes it feel structurally resilient. What would really challenge my view is sustained value leakage away from ETH at the protocol level, not just short-term price weakness.

ssv84

Unfortunately it should be no altcoins in a wallet at all. Only the main assets can come back one day, like BTC, ETH and probably SOL. And we can built some strategies on top of them. But for other assets it’s just casino

DryMyBottom

he should focus on rewarding ETH hodlers… they’ve been living hell with ETH price action

Mariahausfrau

Ive hold Eth more than 5 years and it havent proved a s..t. Its just alt among others. Gladly i sold my eth while it wasover $ 4k. Next buy in for ETH will be $1k.

Stockzman

Apologies, you're right. I missed the part about AI Altcoins in his portfolio. I was referring to his ETH investment.

hodler1992

"follow the tech" - one more reason to avoid ETH lol

Prahasaurus

ETH is a great investment, follow the tech. The macro environment is bad, but Ethereum is going to be one of the greatest investments of a lifetime. But your time horizon needs to be 5 years minimum.

aminok

Investing in ETH is not for the faint of heart. It is trying to provide a new for humanity to coordinate, and much of its value is based on *speculation* about how successful it will be in that endeavor. The real question to ask yourself is whether you believe in its mission, whether you believe in its potential, and whether you are willing to wait long enough to see it play out.

oneden

Nope. Trading volume ≠ utility. Show me people buying groceries, paying rent, getting salaries in stablecoins at scale. You can't, because it's not happening. Just like you're entire piss-poor chain of argument. Stablecoins play close to no role for remittances. That's still happens on almost every other conceivable way. Western Union alone still runs circles around crypto. The remittances need to be cashed out somehow. You would be surprised how expensive that gets in many countries. Your apolitical fake-neutrality means utterly nothing. Because ETH itself might be running all the time, but the systems that interact with it can't and haven't been active all the time. You're not just a clown, you're the entire circus.

oneden

>neutrality and guaranteed uptime doesn't matter ETH has had downtime and issues. "Neutrality" means nothing when most nodes run on AWS and most access goes through Infura... So, what the fuck are you even on about? Traditional payment systems have 99.9% uptime. Banks - hate them as much as you want - work. This isn't a problem that needs solving. > huge progress in the technology's capabilities and in adoption doesn't matter You keep repeating words without providing an explanation, what those developments lead to without becoming circular in your reasoning. > no, as I mentioned, stablecoins are massively used for international remittance That's it? Remittance? That's the utility? Too bad that many services do that better as well. Without crypto. Crypto isn't even cheaper while doing so. M-Pesa only requires you to have a phone. No internet needed. Like, it gets sadder with every response of yours.

T_Peters

It all sounds right to me; Government and institutions have jumped in, I don't see any reason why it wouldn't continue to do what it's done and end up at a million in 10 years. ETH will probably limp along for the ride, but what Trump did crushed any trust that your average citizen had for alts. And they all think "I can't afford to invest 70,000 in BTC!" not understanding that it's all relative. What a fucking shame. The sector that had so much promise to get away from all the market manipulation got bought up by the government and manipulated. Who would've seen that coming? Not us, if we didn't elect a fucking known felon, con-man and pdf.

WiseSilverWolf

I was hoping to be able to sell all my crypto (BTC, ATOM, SOL, SUI, ETH, Kaspa) but im down at least 40% on each altcoin and down at least 20% on BTC. If things ever go back to Pre-October 2025 prices im selling everything and moving over to covered call stocks that pay me monthly and weekly dividends (BTCI, QQQI, SPYI, TSII, NVII).

T_Peters

This is so true, and it was actually the moment my cousin texted me and said "Bro should I buy TRUMP coin?!" I laughed out loud when I saw that text. It should've been the sign to take profits in 2024, and get back in when the tariff fear hit peak, with ETH down at 1.5K. We might be in for a redo of that same scenario, just with BTC at an insanely higher price.

T_Peters

I'm not actually shorting, but I was leveraged and had to close it. I had a gut feeling that I should've closed it during the relief rally at 3.3K, and I didn't have the energy to convince myself after staring at the chart until 6am. I woke up the next day and kicked myself endlessly as each week, the price depressed lower and lower, unable to convince myself to close it/sell. Now, I've hit my line in the sand, and while it seems ridiculous to sell now, I have the same gut feeling. I think it is going lower. I'll kick myself endlessly if it bounces, because I do not typically fail both ways. I bought the bottom perfectly when ETH was at 900, but I will never stop living in regret for buying that instead of BTC at 15K. Usually, I just don't sell enough at the top, which is what I did both previous cycles. Profits taken, but not nearly as much as I should've. I've made my bet. I hear what you're saying. I was hoping others had some reassurance on my theory, as it is not only mine but the technical analyst I've grown to trust the most. That if we closed the weekly candle below 80K that we are going lower. I can take the safer route and buy some of the BTC I plan to buy now, but either way, it would end up resulting in a huge blunder. But my liquidation price was too close and I had to make a play after weeks of sitting on my hands like a fool.

Small_Appearance2014

You’re not missing much — a lot of long-term ETH holders think the same way. **Strongest bull case:** ETH still acts like the settlement layer for crypto. PoS + staking give it a yield narrative, and most L2s, DeFi, NFTs, and tokenized assets still ultimately rely on Ethereum for security. It’s less about hype now and more about being core infrastructure.

oneden

>Ethereum is less than 11 years old, and is the world's first decentralized Turing Complete virtual machine. ETH has been in the works since 2013 and launched 2015. Sure, you can cope. But crypto has been around for longer. That's what I refer to. >A list of areas where Ethereum has made huge progress: None of them matter. It's fixing issues it introduced itself since its inception. >These are facts, and prove that many people care about Ethereum and smart contracts. **Nobody** does. The "Turing Completeness" you throw around doesn't mean anything. Programmable money? Code is law? That's literally the dumbest and most tone deaf anti-feat wrought by human hands. You keep repeating from a list of old arguments that get dragged along as time marches on. Crypto still hasn't found its problem to solve that current tech doesn't do better.

maximp2p

if it reaches 35k by the late 2026 i think many people will losing faith and will be too sacred to find where is the bottom. ETH will be so cheap you will buy and kept it for fun

aminok

Ethereum is less than 11 years old, and is the world's first decentralized Turing Complete virtual machine. Being an entirely new paradigm (like the internet was in the 1970s), it has had to work through fundamental limitations of the technology while building out the technological primitives that enable mass-consumer blockchain applications. A list of areas where Ethereum has made huge progress: * Building secure smart contracts: more sophisticated auditing programs, better developer tools, and improvements in programming languages and formal verification have reduced the prevalence of major blue-chip contract exploits compared to the early years. * Enabling privacy with public validation: zero-knowledge proof technology has gone from niche research to production infrastructure, powering private transactions and identity / verification systems, not just mixers. * Protocol fine-tuning, like the implementation of EIP-1559, to improve fee predictability: along with later upgrades that improved efficiency and tied network usage more directly to ETH supply through fee burning. * Proof of Stake consensus: Ethereum successfully transitioned from Proof of Work to Proof of Stake, maintaining decentralization while drastically reducing energy usage and continuing to secure the network through staking incentives. * Scalability technologies like Optimistic and ZK-Rollups: now widely used in production, providing much higher throughput and far lower transaction costs by processing activity off-chain and settling back to Ethereum. * Protocol upgrades expanding Rollup capacity: data-availability upgrades (such as blob transactions) increased the amount of affordable block space for Layer 2 networks. These all took time to build, and will take more time still to reach production quality, but are shaping up to provide a vastly more useful blockchain platform than what was launched in 2015.

T_Peters

I'm feeling like getting liquidated myself. After being a believer in ETH for nearly 9 years, I made so many mistakes, and I'm feeling like it's time to reallocate into Bitcoin. I shouldn't have been so greedy, and I'll keep some ETH, but probably less than 10% of my holdings. Now, I just gotta try and time the bottom on BTC, and with a weekly close below a major support, I feel like we drop lower. I'm just wondering if that happens tomorrow when markets wake up or if we get a bounce from how oversold it is on the RSI?

oneden

>Investing in ETH is not for the feint of heart. It is an incredibly novel technology in the midst of price discovery. Ah yes. "Novel" - Over 16 years old and counting. The cope is immense. >As for your claim that ETH is useless, that says more about your lack of research than about the technology. No. It's an observable reality. >Stablecoins are now the primary cross-border payment rail in dozens of countries. ETH secures billions in programmable contracts, used for everything from microloans to insurance to remittances. Even JPMorgan and BlackRock are tokenizing assets. Regurgitated nonsense that has been sold for years. Nobody cares about smart contracts. Nobody. Immutability is a concept that some delusional coders consider novel and the true way of developing, but it goes inherently against how the world works. Crypto can't do anything better than what we can do nowadays with far better tech. Crypto is the equivalent of a 56k Modem, but you people somehow see the future in it. Seems to me, you have no idea what you're pontificating about. >The base layer of the Ethereum ecosystem is a decentralized transaction protocol that allows anyone to send verifiable, uncensorable data, including payments, without relying on trusted intermediaries. That's a breakthrough, and is obviously going to be useful. And more items on my bullshit bingo crossed off.

aminok

Investing in ETH is not for the feint of heart. It is an incredibly novel technology in the midst of price discovery. Over the last seven years, it is up 2,200%, so alongside the volatility, there has been huge opportunities for gains. As for your claim that ETH is useless, that says more about lack of research than about the technology. Stablecoins are now the primary cross-border payment rail in dozens of countries. ETH secures billions in programmable contracts, used for everything from microloans to insurance to remittances. Even JPMorgan and BlackRock are tokenizing assets. The base layer of the Ethereum ecosystem is a decentralized transaction protocol that allows anyone to send verifiable, uncensorable data, including payments, without relying on trusted intermediaries. That's a breakthrough, and is obviously going to be useful.

jenya_

> 1386*… unfortunately On April 9 last year BTC price was about $76K and ETH price was about $1400. Today BTC is about $76K and ETH is about $2200. That's quite an improvement.

jwz9904

are people trying to liquidate the ETH whale?

Apprehensive-View583

She just got wiped out about 2m by owning leveraged contracts on ETH, and she only has some Solana left which is prob also gonna be wiped out and Sun refuse to lend her money lol

RepulsiveDisaster671

I sold my ETH for a $6M gain. I am better than you.

oneden

God, you crypto people need to find all kinds of ways to gaslight yourselves, don't you? The gig is up. ETH can be whatever you think it is, but it's useless. All cytpto is useless. There isn't enough liquidity enough to fool people into buying into a highly speculative asset like this. BTC is like 40% down from ATH and ETH is even worse off. For some people it's the worst investment of their lifetime. When Saylor is eventually forced it sell BTC crypto will die with a whimper.

Sudden-Cat7170

Sold all my ETH (blackrock) on August 13 2025 at the eth price of $4600 for a short term gain (4-5 month hold) of $4.5M+. Was so hard to sell everything but as ETH dips below my buy in price right now I feel like the literal luckiest guy on the planet. I can’t believe I timed that so well. Here’s the best proof I can dig up for now: https://gofile.io/d/0s0ZQb

Sudden-Cat7170

Sorry the daily churns so may comments i didn’t think it was getting seen by the same people. Also I had a new point of interest since ETH broke below my $2200 buy in.

Sudden-Cat7170

I sold all my ETH Aug 13th for a short term gain of $4.5m

Sudden-Cat7170

I sold all my ETH on August 13 for a $4.5M+ gain an I’m happy to be off the ride. If I held I would be DOWN on my original investment rn.

confusedguy1212

I’m trying to make sense of ETH price decline during such runs. Who here is actually selling?

AlternativeTiger4302

Also, the only assets with buying at the bottom of a bear are BTC only. Then wait for a 4-5x, sell, then wait for a broad crypto pullback, then deploy to alts you like. For me, it'll be ETH, HYPE and TAO.

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Sudden-Cat7170

I bought ETH at $2200 last year, sold 4-5 months later at $4600 for a $4.5M+ profit and I’m so happy to be off that rollercoaster. 🎢

account009988

Alts will be dead and won’t recover. Maybe ETH would but the rest: dead af

Miss_Curie

If BTC is at 35k that late in the cycle, the important part isn’t *which alt survives* — it’s that liquidity is gone. In those conditions, alts almost always fall more than BTC and take longer to recover. Personally: * BTC first. ETH only after BTC starts to base. * I wouldn’t size alts aggressively — “good projects” still drop 70–90% in real bears. * Holding only makes sense if your position size lets you sit through more downside without forcing emotional decisions. The bottom usually isn’t a price number — it’s when BTC stabilizes, leverage is flushed, and everyone who said “I’ll buy lower” is suddenly quiet.

Aromatic-Ad7987

Yes-Link, Hbar does what ETH does but better...

Quant-Tools

You'll do anything but admit you were wrong about ETH won't you

Crafty_Surround6022

ETH taking every chance to crash

AttemptKitchen

Lmfao ETH speedrunning to 1.500 again.

jwz9904

ETH getting crushed on the ratio too.

Competitive-Net-1483

40% BTC, 50% ETH, the rest in alts, but honestly I wish I had more BTC

eggmelter96

I bought myself an ETH

biba8163

> not realizing that L2s don't "steal" value from the network since they all settle on ETH indicates I'm not even sure you know what you're talking about Let me break it down since you have no idea what you're investing in. L2s have taken a massive percentage of the transactions from ETH Mainet. | Chain | 1-day Transaction count |:-----------|------------:| | Base Chain | 12.46M | Polygon PoS | 6.21M | Arbitrum One | 4.87M | Ethereum Mainnet | 2.05M https://www.growthepie.com/fundamentals/transaction-count These L2s are essentially centralized sequencers which can be thought of as databases that do VERY CHEAP batch updates (blobs) to the Ethereum Mainnet. The L2 Base Network which does 6X more transactions that Ethereum Mainnet has only contributed $5 Million settlement fees to the Maine while taking away most of the transactions from it. > Coinbase-backed Base network has contributed less than $5 million in blob and settlement fees to Ethereum’s layer-1 validators since its launch in 2023. https://cryptoslate.com/ethereum-to-onboard-1-4b-new-users-as-chinese-alipay-megacorp-launches-own-l2/ Additionally because multiple Ethereum updates make these blob fees cheaper and cheaper, the Ethereum fees collected from these L2s is almost negligible now. Example, the blob settlement fees from the Base network paid to Ethereum mainnet has dropped -99% over one year. **BASE Network** | Date | Cost of Revenue (Mostly Blob Fees) | |:-----------|------------:| | Jan. 2025 | $1.6 Million | Jan. 2026 | $14.6K https://tokenterminal.com/explorer/projects/base/financial-statement

NatBitty

25k shares at $24.50 and yeah I’m not feeling great not being up 100% anymore, but at least selling calls against it and buying MSTR/ETH puts has saved me.

ianw11

i clicked your first link, you declared it's a "rule" that all "alts" MUST collapse compared to bitcoin, I can see it's not worth engaging with you any more. also, not realizing that L2s don't "steal" value from the network since they all settle on ETH indicates I'm not even sure you know what you're talking about

Paratrooper2000

Buy a new ledger from the official Ledger website. When you set it up, select restore and enter your „old“ seed. You have to remember what coins you had. If it was BTC or ETH, good, install those apps and your all set. If it was some altcoin, chances are it’s completely worthless by now. 

StretcherEctum

I plan to buy ETHA as ETH hits 1900. 1800. Etc.. if it hits 1500 I'm buying ETHU. Sgo sgo!

biba8163

Stablecoin usage has no bearing on ETH appreciation - Stablecoins marketcap is up 190% from 2021 - ETH is down -52% from 2021 - ETH fee revenue peaked at $74 Million on 5/14/2021 - ETH fee revenue on 1/30/2026 was $370K which is -99% from its peak https://www.theblock.co/data/on-chain-metrics/ethereum/ethereum-miner-revenue-daily As I warned the dumb and gullible > It's always BTC parabolic gains seeking profits and attracting attention and capital to the crypto space is the cause of appreciation. ETH is a Network Utility Token. That is all ETH is. It's competing with a many competing network utility tokens and many networks and L2s. These networks are increasingly going to be rails for stablecoins and such (97% of RWA are just stablecoins) and in order for the network to remain competitive they need to remain cheap. ETH is utility of being a rail for tokenized assets doesn't give it a $500 Billion marketcap -- ETHs value is derived from the money and investors that the pet rock brings. **(November 2024)** https://np.reddit.com/r/ethfinance/comments/1gq6ahm/daily_general_discussion_november_13_2024/lwyql0m/

nicknice77

None of your comments discuss / address the fact that damn near all retail / companies will transact in stablecoins that run on ETH

binary_quasar

Bro are you me? This is almost exactly what I did. Sold my motorcycle for one whole BTC the same day as the covid crash (lucky timing, already had a buyer and was debating selling it to buy more BTC). Bought 30 ETH that same week at around $100/ea. and DCA'd $100 into BTC weekly since the crash and Bought ETH only on massive dips and staked it as long as I could. DCA'd out of BTC starting at $108k up to $121k, Sold 40% of my holdings all said and done of BTC. Sold about 70% of my ETH holdings at the tippy top - over $4800 per ETH. Just bought a new house for the family. My wife was skeptical, but trusted me the whole time with the promise that I'd buy us and the kids a house someday. Thats all because of Bitcoin, because ETH or any other crypto wouldn't be here without it. Best decisions of my life so far.

piggleii

Picture this, it's early September 2025. ETH has doubled in price from June 2025. Then the Ethereum Foundation announces they will be dumping ETH to "fund development". And that was the end of that.

Miss_Curie

Markets are down because money is pulling back and fear is high. Most coins basically follow BTC, so when it drops, everything bleeds together. First thing: if being down 52% is making you panic, you’re probably in too deep. That’s not an insult — it just means the position size is bigger than your comfort zone. Cut risk so you can actually sleep. Second: BTC going to zero is possible but very unlikely. Alts are a different story — many of them can drop 90%+ and never see their old highs again. So don’t treat an alt like something you just “hold forever” and forget. What I’d do practically and i am not an expert in this :-) • Stop buying out of emotion. If you’re DCA’ing, only do it with money you’re genuinely okay losing, and only into stuff you’d hold for years. • Make a decision now: either you’re in for the long term and stop checking the chart every hour, or you cut the position and move on. Waffling is the worst option. • If you still want crypto exposure, keep it simple. Most people do better with BTC (maybe ETH) as the core and keep alts small. Nobody knows the bottom. The goal isn’t to nail the perfect entry — it’s to survive and have a plan instead of reacting to every red candle.

binary_quasar

Yeah, this sounds like a libertarian's wet dream and you sound like a 19 year old who just discovered cryptography. I say this as somebody who has held XMR since it was $60. This is far less likely than ETH not having a role in the future of cryptocurrency. ETH staking just hit record numbers, showing confidence in the future of the network. Banks and other financial institutions are building private chains on the Ethereum blockchain, some already exist. RWAs are going to be a massive part of the future of finance and ETH is where all the action and development is taking place. Ignoring that would be incredibly stupid, in my opinion.

biba8163

If you look at ETH in any fundamental valuation metric it is MASSIVELY overvalued. For instance, looking at ETH fee revenue, ETH has a a P/S of 2,200 even with the recent drop. **Price-to-Sales (P/S), a Fundamental Valuation Metric** | Network | Daily Fee Revenue | Marketcap. | P/S |:-----------:|:------------:|:------------:|:------------:| | ETH | ~$350K | $280 Billion | ~2,200X Compare that to tech companies which generally have a very high P/S, **ETH's value in any fundamental metric is comical. ** - QQQ heavily weighted towards tech companies currently has P/S ratio (marketcap/revenue) of approximately 6.16 and is considered overvalued because it's much higher than it's historical average. - NVDIA has a P/S of 23 because it's priced as a hyper growth tech stock whose revenue has gone from ~$10 Billion in 2020 to $130 Billion today and continues to grow. - PLTR has a has a P/S of 130X is considered MASSIVELY OVERVLAUED I tried to explain this to clueless ETH Maxis that ETH's value is not based on fundamentals and ETH/SOL/BNB/TRON and even all of ETH's L2s are just competing networks that will have to get cheaper and cheaper in order to compete for stablecoin dominance. > in order to compete with other chains, Ethereum will have to scale and that has seen the rise of L2/sidechains which results in loss transaction fees and MEV tips essentially stealing value from ETH. **This essentially turns Ethereum, Solana, BSC, Tron, L2/Sidechains, etc into competing networks for DeFi casinos and rails for StablecCoin transfers where they have to remain cheap** or utility and users will move to competing chains. **(September 2024)** https://np.reddit.com/r/ethfinance/comments/1f9ef5k/daily_general_discussion_september_5_2024/llmkgtm/ And look at what happened. ETH's fee revenue has dropped -80% from ~$1.5M to $350K since that time (Tron's dropped -60%) and transactions have also migrated to cheap ETH L2s which have stolen a ton of the value from the network. https://www.theblock.co/data/on-chain-metrics/ethereum/ethereum-miner-revenue-daily

nomoney110

ETH has no real competitors. If you want to be involved in this field, you have to be at ETH; otherwise, just stay at BTC.

Kurosaki56843

If you're new, stick to BTC and ETH..

Django_McFly

It's not *buy whenever and hodl* on "majors"... whatever that even means given what SOL and ETH did. Both of them were only above their 2021 high for like 5 hours before crashing below it. There were good gains to be made, but you have to make strategic entries now. You have to buy when it's in the shitter. BTC fell to $17k. SOL to $20. ETH was $900. As long as you started getting in by the time it was 2X off the bottom, you made out like a bandit. What you don't want to do is top tick, wait four years and find out that had you bought USDC instead and put it into Aave, you'd have made that 5% in a (singular) year.

confusedguy1212

I contend that of all coins ETH is the only one left with any backbone to it. Sure it’s price performance sucked and continues to suck but that is in stark contrast to the actual people and communities and deliveries that coin as a whole has provided and continues to provide. You want to dunk on it feel free but there’s actual hard working people with actual integrity behind it.

nicknice77

Bitcoin will not be the underlying plumbing of TradFi or DeFi —— ie tokenizing RWAs, stablecoins etc. I hold BTC, ETH, Sol and have held around 15 other alt coins over the last 10 years

Impressive-Reply-244

Didn’t he say ETH would be $5,000 by the end of January?

baIIern

If ETH were a horse, I would get out the rifle to put it out of its misery.

Der_Saian

To answer your question I just went onto my Coinbase app and bought 1k. In 2018-2019 when " the sky was falling" and " OMG" Bitcoin was dead at 5k I bought 1 whole BTC ànd like 30 ETH for around $100~ Best decision I ever made. I bought a whole house in the Poconos with the profits cash !!! No mortgage.

Unser_Giftzwerg

Monero will be one of the survivors though, it's actually useful. I think ETH may go extinct before Monero.

piggleii

“I can fund more Ethereum development by selling more ETH,” - Vitalik Buterin

ICanuckthere4Iam

Memes and Alts are dead. BTC maaaybe ETH will survive but alts are cooked

Illustrious-Boss9356

I don't really consider BCH an "alt", in fact I think owning 1-1-1 BTC-BCH-BSV, is owning 1 "Bitcoin". But it's the stuff like XRP, ETH, SOL, L2's, L3's, etc etc... Infinite chains!

brandonholm

Lmao ETH

biba8163

> Nice copy / paste I copy and paste my lessons to noobs like you hoping you get a clue because you still don't have a clue how crypto markets work > **If you think 0.04 BTC is low, the ETH/BTC ratio is going to feel like getting kicked in the nuts over and over again over the long term as the ratio falls below 0.01** and goes lower and lower. > Long term ALL Alts follow the same trend and fall below the initial BTC value they started at. Pretty much all the older Alts, even the most successful fall below this value. ETH is also trending long term to fall below this value. People talk about historic trends, patterns and cycles but this has been the only 1 undisputed and unbroken pattern for 14 years. > | | Initial | High | Current | > |:-----------|------------:|:------------:|------------:| > | LTC | 0.03 BTC| 0.048 BTC | 0.001 BTC > | XRP | 5,594 SATS| 22,500 SATS | 940 SATS > | XMR | 0.005 BTC| 0.035 BTC | 0.0029 BTC > | ETH | 0.01 BTC | 0.15 BTC | 0.041 BTC https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1fgzm3z/daily_crypto_discussion_september_15_2024_gmt0/ln9jvct/ > Ive been holding since 2016 - And you still think crypto has fundamentals? lol - And you don't realize ETH is 1/5 of its BTC value from the summer of the flippening - And I bet you cannot show me a single post from 2016 - And I bet you cannot sign anything from an address showing that you held since 2016 Purely fiction.

biba8163

> Fundamentals have not changed You might want to learn what fundamentals are. Crypto does not have fundamentals. In traditional markets, understanding value of companies comes from fundamental analysis. Fundamentals in investing are based on revenues, earnings, future growth, return on equity, profit margins, PE, the economy, interest rates and other financial data to determine the fair market value of a company. Crypto does not have these sort of fundamentals. Crypto is based almost purely on speculation. BTC itself is a speculative asset and the entire Alt market generally have a correlation coeffieent of ~0.90 and just follow BTC up and down and inherently have no fundamental value in themselves. ETH is a double speculative asset that has been underperforming almost everything for 8 years and historically has a 0.96 correlation coefficient to BTC only appreciates when BTC goes on bullruns. - Summer 2017, ETH hits ATH of $400 after BTC hits local top of $3,000 - January 2018, ETH hits ATH of $1,400 after BTC hits cycle top of $20K - May 2021, ETH hits ATH after BTC tops out in April 2021 - Nov 2021. ETH hits ATH in December after BTC tops out in November 2021 - August 2025. ETH briefly touches past 2021 ATH after BTC breaks $120K Not only is ETH a double speculative asset but it is a leveraged on-chain casino coin that primed for liquidations in market downturns > *ETH is a casino coin whose value is a mirage derived from stacking on-chain leverage in places like Aave, Maker, etc where ETH is the dominant collateral asset for gambling for ETH and various shitcoin tokens people think are DeFi.* **When the shit hits the fan, you have cascading ETH liquidations to reveal the ugly shitcoinery lying underneath. (Feb. 2025)** https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1igeysk/the_eth_to_btc_ratio_just_flash_crashed_to_02337/mapylwj/ > **I think one day people will realize how insane a run ETH had in 2020/21 and fools were forever chasing that euphoria. (Feb. 2025)** > One of the things people seem to be missing is how much of a leveraged casino coin ETH was that drove this rise. Before the bullrun started in 2020, ETH was sitting at a relatively small ~$30 Billion marketcap. DAI was also sitting with $250 Million minted. > BTC started running in Q3 and by peak of the run, ETH was used locked as the native asset to mint $6.2 Billion in DAI. That $6.2 Billion is a massive injection of money into $30 Billion marketcap with an undertoe of a parabolic BTC bullrun and bullish sentiment. Compare that to the total of only ~$3 Billion inflow into ETFs today when ETH is ~$300 Billion marketcap and it's easy to see why the marketcap won't budge much. > Leveraging ETH to pump its markecap is not dissimilar to burning LUNA to mint UST which drove LUNA to a $40 Billion marketcap. Everyone calls that a scam mechanism but the same type of mechanism that pumped ETH is considered DeFI. > BTC parabolic moves, leveraged native ETH to mint DAI, DeFi casino narrative, NFTs, staking hype, triple halving memes, ultra-sound monies.......and Covid lockdown and money > It was a perfect storm. https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1indhrk/daily_crypto_discussion_february_12_2025_gmt0/mcdygp1/?context=3

Escapement_Watch

Just look at the BTC/ETH ratio and calculate the drop that way very simple. Then do the same for BTC/SOL if btc was 35k it is not hard. but general rule all alts go to zero against bitcoin over time.

ConsciousSkyy

Is anyone surprised? ETH is not magically valuable just because there’s stablecoins and dapps built on the chain.

ConsciousSkyy

Bitmine is something like $6 billion of dollars underwater on their ETH “investment”. You can’t make this up

biba8163

ETH investors still don't understand ETH is a leveraged casino coin > *ETH is a casino coin whose value is a mirage derived from stacking on-chain leverage in places like Aave, Maker, etc where ETH is the dominant collateral asset for gambling for ETH and various shitcoin tokens people think are DeFi.* **When the shit hits the fan, you have cascading ETH liquidations to reveal the ugly shitcoinery lying underneath. (Feb. 2025)** https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1igeysk/the_eth_to_btc_ratio_just_flash_crashed_to_02337/mapylwj/ > **I think one day people will realize how insane a run ETH had in 2020/21 and fools were forever chasing that euphoria. (Feb. 2025)** > One of the things people seem to be missing is how much of a leveraged casino coin ETH was that drove this rise. Before the bullrun started in 2020, ETH was sitting at a relatively small ~$30 Billion marketcap. DAI was also sitting with $250 Million minted. > BTC started running in Q3 and by peak of the run, ETH was used locked as the native asset to mint $6.2 Billion in DAI. That $6.2 Billion is a massive injection of money into $30 Billion marketcap with an undertoe of a parabolic BTC bullrun and bullish sentiment. Compare that to the total of only ~$3 Billion inflow into ETFs today when ETH is ~$300 Billion marketcap and it's easy to see why the marketcap won't budge much. > Leveraging ETH to pump its markecap is not dissimilar to burning LUNA to mint UST which drove LUNA to a $40 Billion marketcap. Everyone calls that a scam mechanism but the same type of mechanism that pumped ETH is considered DeFI. > BTC parabolic moves, leveraged native ETH to mint DAI, DeFi casino narrative, NFTs, staking hype, triple halving memes, ultra-sound monies.......and Covid lockdown and money > It was a perfect storm. https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1indhrk/daily_crypto_discussion_february_12_2025_gmt0/mcdygp1/?context=3

Suspicious-Skill1934

there is definetly a lack of interest of ETH , price actions is the crapiest i ever seen, i dont see those low fee as bullish

maverick_quant

10%, 20%, 50% drops are expected in crypto. As long as you are not leveraged, there is nothing to worry about. If you see it as a method for transactions, then ETH is perfectly fine. If you see it as an investment, then it is something that you need to hold for years and buy more when there are big drops (like now). Generally, crypto is not for people who can’t stomach the volatility. If though you can, then just buy whenever everyone tells you that it is done for and it is going to zero.

hoppeeness

You are missing that usage != increased price when the token is also used for speculation. If tokens couldn’t be bought and sold for speculation but only for usage ETH and most others would just have a historical slow growth line.

magister10

OK folks. I just jumped overboard. 20K in realized losses. Been holding mainly BTC, ETH, SOL and AVAX since early 2021. Was 30K up the highest. Probably hundreds of hours on youtube, coinmarketcap and listening to crypto bros. With my first kid on the way i couldn’t wait this out any longer. Ultra bullish on BTC onwards. Will probably hold 5% max. Good luck to ya’ll. Slow, boring indexes for the next 5 years here now. Hope you all make it some day - as i won’t. Peace

haxsen

bearish comments on ETH = atleast 10k in the coming run, i am letting you know there is a lot of manipulation going on before crypto goes high

ZUU_Music

The ETH fees are the lowest they've been since around 2018. That means the network is the least profitable its been in 8 years. ETH probably won't go to zero but its heading waaay lower from here.

Crafty_Surround6022

ETH: let me crash

Sudden-Cat7170

I sold out of all my ETH last year for $4.5M+ gain. It was a 4-5 month nail biting stressful short term trade and I’m happy to be out of the crypto market. I sold near the all time high in August at $4600. My total tax bill for 2025 is about 1.8 million usd.

DryMyBottom

ETH taking a very hard hit considering is supposed to be the second best

TexasBoyz-713

ETH/BTC ratio may never reach 0.05 again tbh

SpaceballsTheCritic

Bitcoin has no value, before your crows click down hear me out. It was intended as a POC, and the world latched onto it. It has first mover advantage and wide industry adoption. But its value is no different than fiat in that its value in relative terms (e.g. priced against Dollars) it has some shiny a-tributes in technology and fixed supply but that is all it is. No smart contract. No scalable utility as a payments mechanism without additional layers. The other coins ETH, XRP, BNB, do have unique utility and function as an end payments system. My point? Bitcoin is a speculative investment and the general dumb cash base sees the other coins similarly and prices based on relative terms to btc. As their utility continues to expand, there will be a decoupling. I.e. we are moving past fruit to apples, oranges, and bananas.

HistoricalWorld7941

ETH will go to 62k just like Tom Lee said

Savings-Degree-8749

I'm in the same boat, my DCA for the month was 84k. I buy $20 worth of BTC and $5 worth of ETH because after accounting, that's all I can afford.

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Coquito3000

[(0.030517) $2,397.76 - 💪 RatioGang 📈 - The ETH / BTC Ratio Tracker](https://ratiogang.com/) **ETH:** $2,397.50 -8.70% 24h price **BTC:** $78,566.98 -4.98% 24h price **Ratio:** 0.030515 -4.75% 24h change are you still dreaming?

Coquito3000

dont worry. My 818 ETH are going to be worthless soon. I may just sacrifice myself when it hits 0. lmao

Alexbobica

I am fine. Honestly, I plan to hodl BTC and ETH for a long time, so I am not worried. On the other hand, I am cautious about some smaller investments, such as INJ, AIOZ, WILD, and others, but the development side is strong. Should be fine. I am patient.

biba8163

> I'm sure that Ethereum will survive the crisis...Bitcoin I don't know, it proves again that it is not a hedge against anything One day little boys like you will grow up and realize that BTC is a speculative asset that is the prime mover that dictates the entire crypto market and that ETH is a double speculative asset that has been underperforming almost everything for 8 years and historically has a 0.96 correlation coefficient to BTC only appreciates when BTC goes on bullruns. Little boys when they grow up will realize Supply Crunch, Triple Halving, Ultra-Sound Money, DeFi, RWA narratives. If they still don't understand how crypto market works, they will continue to lose money. > It should be fine soon. If ETH goes to 20k, you will see it in your stocks https://np.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/1mkmcbn/daily_general_discussion_august_08_2025/n7q987w/ > Those who believed there would be a correction, you doom posters, learn one thing: ETH is deeply undervalued and will correct only after 20k when it crashes to 18k https://np.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/1mn45zg/comment/n840d1m/ > Here's what Bloomberg said: > Tom Lee: Ethereum is where Wall Street and AI will converge > If Wall Street piles into #Ethereum projects, ETH's value could jump to $60,000 > Ethereum remains the busiest blockchain by on-chain value > Treasuries locking $ETH away could accelerate the vision that Ether is not just another speculative coin, but the core of a future monetary system > Issuance is low, and because a portion of every transaction fee is permanently destroyed, supply can even shrink over time. Treasury companies could amplify that scarcity > One of Ethereum’s biggest advantages over Bitcoin is staking. It’s a way to turn ETH into a yield-bearing asset, like a dividend-paying stock than a static commodity > We see many story arcs that are making Ethereum the biggest macro trade over the next 10 to 15 years > Financial institutions see Ethereum as a natural choice. https://np.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/1mv5nq3/comment/n9oa8b0/

biba8163

> The man has staked his entire reputation on the ETH fund Tom Lee was hired for his reputation with the strategy that he'd draw gullible TradFi investors into BMNR. He knows very little about ETH: - Tom Lee calls ETH a fork of Bitcoin He doesn't believe in ETH itself. If Tom Lee genuinely considers ETH the **"Biggest Macro Trade of the Next Decade"** then: - Why was he not screaming this in 2024 or before July 2025 when he was marketed as the chairman of BMNR? - Why has he not allocated a percentage to ETH in his OWN ETF, Fundstrat's flagship ETF? - Why is Tom Lee allocating to BTC in his very own ETF portfolio through MSTR and not have ANY exposure to ETH? https://grannyshots.com/holdings/ Tom Lee was paid an undisclosed sum of money when he was initially brought into BMNR. In addition to his performance based criteria for ETH % held by BMNR, BMNR stock price and BMNR marketcap he is also getting a ton of guaranteed money > Guaranteed Cash: $35 Million > Regardless of company performance, Mr. Lee is entitled to: > Up-Front Payment: > - $15 million paid immediately upon approval. > Annual Retainer/Salary: > - $5 million per year for 4 years. https://x.com/TheShortBear/status/1999234338609635349

goldMy

Its okay at the end of the day. I think its hard to understand what i mean in general and where i am comeing from. as you said, the current price behavior kind of indicates a shift / pivot. Uncertain times where the once like known system is not the same anymore, this already can be observed in the altcoins. Some of the folks only know assets where it is up only, DCA only works when the price is increasing but a price increase can stop completly for decades or forever. Thats something that is completely ignored but is happening for ETH, LTC, SOL as we speak. The chance that it is going to happen for Bitcoin as well is now on the table.

piggleii

Ok guys. I know I was bulltarding all the way down (at least for BTC, not ETH), but now that we’re more or less officially in bear territory, my mission now is just to see how much BTC I can stack.

Realistic_Wrap_9767

ETH is performing worse than PEPE, literally worse than shitcoins haha