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epic_trader

Everything you say about BTC and mining is correct, yet you're completely missing the point. If the hashrate drops, the network is less secure. It becomes cheaper to attack the network, there's more mining hardware sitting idle on the sidelines which potentially could come back online to attack the network. Do you get it? The fact that the difficulty will adjust itself based on the hash rate or that you know the issuance schedule does absolutely nothing to make the network more secure. >In fact the less valuable ETH is the more transactions can be done on it, and the more value the apps that use it are! That's the entire point of Ethereum, that I think everyone is missing. This is nonsense and I don't know why you brought this up anyway (I mean I do know, but it's not relevant here). The cost of using the network isn't relative to the price of ETH, it's based entirely on demand for blockspace.

Gubbie99

Your questions are real. And that’s exactly why Ethereum implemented the burn mechanism. To hinder the network to be flooded or congested. And if the supply drop and price spikes it would make people not spend ETH as much and then ETH would slowly inflate again. So it was a very well thought trough improvement. Instead of answering questions here on Reddit you should research into it. Many of these EIP’s that makes Ethereum better and faster and cheaper is done so with functions that are clever and well thought trough.

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dhoni23

Well, no one could precisely predict how the world would be like in 2026. But I do believe in a big dip in 2026. Sold all my crypto close to the peak. ETH at 4400, SOL at 240, etc. Waiting for that next dip. Always asking myself if I should buy it already as the dip is here or wait for that crazy bearish world in 2026. haha!

mrjune2040

Sure, in the worst case the risk a complete loss of funds relative to any liquidation proceedings. Many many centralised lenders have gone under, so it’s not like Kraken would be the first. However the odds of Kraken going under are probably pretty low as they’re moving towards their IPO and reporting standards are going to need to be more transparent once they’re public. That said- I keep zero funds on exchanges. The sole exception was Celsius years ago- but I was lucky on two parts, firstly that it was a very small portion of my total crypto holdings (I intentionally de-risked) and that I actually made money from the bankruptcy because most of my holdings were stables and we were paid out in BTC and ETH which then quickly appreciated. My advice- everything kept on an exchange should be an amount you’re willing to lose in the worst case.

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flsurf7

It's odd because ETH never really set a new ATH in this last "cycle". Something funny is happening between ETH/BTC, just not sure how significant it will be.

PapiMak

ETH maxi, not a bad call.

Available_Win5204

DCA into ETH and nothing else. 

Supaflyray

ETH does majority of the stablecoin volumes, which pays us stalkers heavily. I think ETH almost did $2 trillion in volume in stablecoins alone. That’s a lot of transactions to verify through staking. Sol does have a lot of transactions, but it’s mostly gamble bots on pumpfun if you ask me. And SOLs inflation is no where near what ETHs is.

outoftownMD

Possibly What’s more likely since I know some of them, is they bought and had a good pretty good sense of when the peaks were ending and then they would buy back at a lower price. They were really good at that especially early on. They were really good at not buying to hope. They were also first access to many ICO that would then pump that they would then sell from that currency back into ETH or BTC. So they didn’t have to touch any of their stacks, and in fact accumulated a lot more.

PapiMak

Go 80/20 on BTC/ETH and just dca for a few years and forget about it, treat it like a savings account.

iwakan

Your own chart shows ETH doing pretty well against BTC in the long run. Up more than 10x vs BTC since its inception ten years ago (because your chart is actually wrong, the ratio was 0.0023 this day in 2015, not 0.008). If you want to make extraordinary claims like "alt/btc bleeding being the only guarantee in crypto" you better actually provide some evidence, which whatever you posted certainly falls short of being.

imfuckinglying2u

ETH is not a shitcoin. ETH is *the* shitcoin. Daily cope here and at r/ethereum are hilarious. If crypto somehow survives, it will be through BTC.

biba8163

Remember ETH Maxis made a site mocking Saylor for buying BTC over ETH and even created a site to expose his foolishness... > MICROSTRATEGY (MSTR) BTC HOLDINGS $ 2.679 billion > IF THEY HAD BOUGHT ETH INSTEAD, THEY WOULD NOW HAVE $ 5.596 billion https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/ylroaa/what_if_microstrategy_had_brought_eth_instead/ ...and they started looking really stupid > MICROSTRATEGY (MSTR) BTC HOLDINGS Invested: $ 30.360 billion, currently worth: $ 45.652 billion (50 %) **(2025)** > IF THEY HAD BOUGHT ETH INSTEAD, THEY WOULD NOW HAVE $ 31.455 billion (4 %) https://web.archive.org/web/20250221180630/https://www.blockchaincenter.net/en/there-is-no-second-best/ So that Website now directs to a site that tracks MSTR buys/holdings lol

MinimalGravitas

> What is going on here? I must be just mistaken. Yea, I'm afraid so... > There was promises of fast secure and private payments. Ethereum settled $27 trillion in stablecoin transfers last year, in total $49.7T worth of stablecoins were transferred onchain in the last 12 months... for comparison Visa (the biggest card payment processor in the world) settled $15.7T. https://visaonchainanalytics.com/ > Promises of good integrations Talking of Visa, they now have a RWA tokenization platform that allows the to bring tradfi assets onchain to Ethereum. So does Blackrock (the biggest asset manager in the world) and UBS (the biggests private bank in the world). Sony has built an Ethereum L2 and a stablecoin for use in their online payments; Robinhood has built an Ethereum L2 and a stock tokenization platform for EU customers; Deutsche Bank have launched an Ethereum L2 as part of the huge international crypto adoption push 'Project Guardian'... https://ethereumadoption.com/built-on-ethereum/ > and low fees. It currently costs $0.02 to send ETH on Ethereum L1, or around $0.0001 to send over one of it's L2s. https://www.growthepie.com/fundamentals/transaction-costs > Promises of decentralization. The network is more decentralized than ever, both talking about distribution of nodes: https://chainbound.grafana.net/public-dashboards/d001850804e1454fa24852c9dd82db97 And client diversity: https://ethernodes.org/ > But it only seems like we've gotten less of that over time... Based on what...? > I thought we would have options to exchange with each other What do you think is missing, in what way do you see a barrier stopping you sending something to someone or whatever? > and make payments more easily by now You can use projects like Gnosis Pay to literally spend onchain assets in a self-custody multisig with a regular Visa card, anywhere Visa is accepted - what could be easier than that? https://gnosispay.com/

biba8163

Innovation is just crypto hype to sell you a bunch of shitcoins that make the founders and VC rich. The Use Cases are that are being adopted are clear: - Store of value = BTC - Payments, transfers, remittances = Stablecoins - Rails for Stablecoins = Ethereum, Tron, Solana, ETH L2s, etc. - Privacy *(Very little wide level public interest but honorable mention here)* There has been little innovation of anything that can provide real world value and adoption outside BTC. - Stablecoins were the result of the Omni Layer created on top of Bitcoin that allowed custom token ownership and transfer in the network which allowed for the creation of ICOs and the launch of Tether on the Bitcoin network. Other networks like Ethereum and Tron now provide the rails for Stablecoins instead of BTC which functions as a decentralized store of value. Smart Contracts have NOT proven to provide any type of real world value except for trading, leveraging, gambling, lending and yield farming shitcoins on DeFi casinos. The market is maturing and consolidating. **The Total Altcoin market is shrinking (-35% over 4 years) not growing over a 4-year period period for the first time in history.** *BTC and Stablecoins are provide the main growth. This is the market maturing and consolidating:* - BTC Marketcap 5.6X since 2017 BTC ATH - Top 4 Alts Marketcap 4.3X since 2017 BTC ATH - Total Alt Marketcap 3.4X since 2017 BTC ATH - Stablecoin Marketcap 320X since 2017 BTC ATH | | Dec. 2017 | Nov. 2021 | Dec. 2025 |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:|:------------:| | BTC | $0.32T | $1.23T | $1.80T | Top 4 Alts | $0.163T | $0.8123T | $0.70T | Total Alt | $0.282T | $1.52T | $0.97T | Stablecoin | $0.001T | $0.11T | $0.32T | Total Crypto| $0.603T | $2.86T | $3.09T | **Top 4 Alt Dom. over Alts**| **57.80%** | **53.44%** | **72.16%** | **BTC Dom. Over Top 4** | **66.25%** | **60.23%** | **72.00%** | **BTC Total Alt Dominance** | **53.16%** | **44.73%** | **64.98%** **Any dominance indicated is measured excluding stablecoins*

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tldr; BitMine Immersion Technologies, led by Chairman Tom Lee, has purchased $429 million worth of Ethereum (138,452 ETH), bringing its total holdings to 3.864 million ETH, valued at approximately $12 billion. This marks the company's largest Ethereum purchase in nearly two months. Lee attributes the aggressive buying to confidence in Ethereum's future, citing factors like the Fusaka upgrade, Federal Reserve policies, and market recovery. BitMine is also developing a staking infrastructure, MAVAN, and anticipates a 'crypto supercycle' driven by adoption and tokenization by 2026. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

TheDadThatGrills

(1) The word Platitude doesn't mean what you think it does (2) Do I really need to spell out the progress of the last decade for you? Sure. In 2015, was the year ETH was created. Today we have $12B of actual assets tokenized on the same platform.

_Sanner_

Before you go into the crypto investment, do some paper trading first. if you think you ready, evaluate how much you are willing to risk. To make things easier just look at BTC and ETH first. Don't touch other coins. Top rules: whatever you try to invest, keep your capital is No.1 priority.

flsurf7

Anyone seeing a trend on the BTC/ETH chart - Daily Candles+? We just held above another support level and Im seeing a "flippening" trend continuing.

biba8163

Reminder that the ETH/BTC ratio was once 0.15 (Summer 2017). Reminder that when you are picking an Alt, you are trying to pick an Alt which bleeds the least vs BTC. They all bleed. ALT/BTC bleeding is the ONLY guarantee in crypto. | Date | ETH/BTC Ratio | |:-----------|:--------------------------------------| 12/08/2015 | ████ 0.008 12/08/2016 | ██████ 0.010 12/08/2017 | ███████████████ 0.028 12/08/2018 | ███████████████ 0.027 12/08/2019 | ███████████ 0.020 12/08/2020 | █████████████████ 0.030 12/08/2021 | ██████████████████████████████████████████████ 0.088 12/08/2022 | ██████████████████████████████████████████ 0.074 12/08/2023 | ████████████████████████████████ 0.053 12/08/2024 | ██████████████████████ 0.040 12/08/2025 | ████████████████████ 0.034 > If you think 0.04 BTC is low, the ETH/BTC ratio is going to feel like getting kicked in the nuts over and over again over the long term as the ratio falls below 0.01 and goes lower and lower. **(September 2024)*** > Long term ALL Alts follow the same trend and fall below the initial BTC value they started at. Pretty much all the older Alts, even the most successful fall below this value. ETH is also trending long term to fall below this value. People talk about historic trends, patterns and cycles but this has been the only 1 undisputed and unbroken pattern for 14 years. > | | Initial | High | Current | > |:-----------|------------:|:------------:|------------:| > | LTC | 0.03 BTC| 0.048 BTC | 0.001 BTC > | XRP | 5,594 SATS| 22,500 SATS | 940 SATS > | XMR | 0.005 BTC| 0.035 BTC | 0.0029 BTC > | ETH | 0.01 BTC | 0.15 BTC | 0.041 BTC > https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1fgzm3z/daily_crypto_discussion_september_15_2024_gmt0/ln9jvct/

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imfuckinglying2u

The gold rush is over, there won't be another "alt season". Just BTC, and maybe (a big maybe) ETH gradually strengthening its foothold and tagging along other assets.

ProfitableCheetah

The lower fees go, the fewer ETH is burned. I really don't understand why people expect it to be deflationary when fees are trending toward zero

puffythegiraffe

The inverse is also true so this says nothing. Volatility on ETH and other smaller caps are always going to make them “outpace” whatever trend bitcoin sets.

Odd_Fun5012

Damn this is like the crypto equivalent of prepping for the apocalypse lol. I respect the security paranoia but at that point you're basically running a one-person CIA operation just to buy some ETH The lawyer thing is actually pretty smart though, never thought about that approach for inheritance planning

Dongerated

If you want to lose 20% of the value in a single day. Sure. There’s a reason why whales stick to ETH or BTC instead of these new projects.

Internal_Resort5451

ETH is the more conservative long-term choice due to its established infrastructure. SOL, however, is benefiting from high throughput, low fees, and increased user inflow this cycle.

Gubbie99

"From my understanding the burned eth is sent to random accounts and not truly destroyed." This is how you do it as a private person. The burn mechanism built in various smart contracts and ETH blocks remove them from circulation (existance). so ETH can and will go negative supply if its growing quicker than its scaling thats what we did see a few years ago.

Patient-Process-2565

Be very careful, crypto is highly volatile and risky. S & P 500 or similar for the bulk of your investments a couple of ETF’s perhaps a single stock of a company you fully understand. A small position (5%) into BTC, (3%) ETH and 2% into altcoins but learn to take profits from your alts.

Odd-Parking-90210

BTC's inflation rate, the "mining" of new BTC, is fixed. ETH's is not fixed. It was changed to be deflationary. The point is not that it is not deflationary, even though it is now burning ETH, **the point is that the inflation/deflation rate can be changed at all.**

No-Entrepreneur-1010

ETH sure stack a lot of it but im not sure about SOL

HSuke

It's already close to 0 and bounces between the +/- 1% range. The community valued low fees and attracting usage over deflation. Ironically, the price of ETH went down in 2022 while it was more deflationary and went up in 2024 while it was more inflationary. And the loudest voices tend to care more about price.

Character-Reply407

Doesn't ETH have an unlimited supply cap, so it will eventually be just as diluted as the USD? 

MinimalGravitas

Do you believe that the 21M limit will be kept then? If so, which of the other solutions to [the security budget problem](https://budget.day/) do think will be used? Copying BCH and getting big blocks, or copying ETH and getting rid of miners?

lotad_or_bust

Idk what the rule for this is but i snagged this be re-searching this in reddit. all hail the OP [Gubbie99](https://www.reddit.com/user/Gubbie99/) •[2y ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/171cj45/comment/k3pslbn/) ETH is deflationary when the need for the blockchain is “too big”. The block size is limited. But it can be “exceeded” at a cost of burning some ETH. That’s why ETH has been deflationary since merge… the need for Ethereum has sometimes been bigger than the blockchain growths “target”. Ethereum was redesigned or upgraded a while back so the monetary policy would target a steady use of the blockchain, when there is “spare room” in the blocks, (gwei lower than 25) then ETH is inflationary to encourage more usage of the chain. When gwei goes above 25 i signals that the blockchain is congested and some ETH is burned in the process to increase the value of ETH and slow down the growth of the blockchain. Pretty smart tech! 🫡

I_post_my_opinions

That's not how it works in practice, and for good reason. Cryptos are valued against the total possible supply. New bitcoin being mined does not have any effect on the economy surrounding it. ETH supply increasing by 0.15% YoY WILL have an effect.

I_post_my_opinions

That's not how it works in practice, and for good reason. Cryptos are valued against the total possible supply. New bitcoin being mined does not have any effect on the economy surrounding it. ETH supply increasing by 0.15% YoY WILL have an effect.

tobypassquarant

It's pointless to even say this. ETH is the darling of this sub. You can't say the princess is ugly.

_Jimmy_Rustler

BCH has been a solid investment from the start. Also, I think it and XRP are still the only two to have flipped ETH.

geppelle

that's not how it works. You could say there never gonna be more than 10^999 ETH to give you an upper bound like BTC and have the same reasoning.

VariatCA

Compared to August/September prices, I'm sure he's not complaining while snagging an extra 100,000 ETH a week. His average buy of ~3k is hardly even budging at these prices.

VariatCA

Where did I say I was buying "the pump" each day? The BTC and ETH I bought back on November 20th is currently up 12-15%, and I don't have any purchases since then. I don't have another unless my ladder-buy order triggers at 77.6k.

Letsmovethemarket

Buy ETH and BTC. All others are just poker chips on the roulette table!

oak1337

Hedera is faster, cheaper and has deterministic finality (100% sure), versus ETH (and most others) probabilistic finality (just get more sure over time, but never really 100%). Hedera has fundamentally solved the Blockchain Trilemma. You talk about tradeoffs, which is what balancing the Trilemma is all about. ETH has to sacrifice security or scalability or decentralization in order to improve on any of them. ETH sacrificed scalability initially, which is why L2s are needed for scale. But those L2s also had to make sacrifices in security or decentralization in order to get that scale. Hedera does all things well. ABFT security (best mathematically possible). Unlimited scalability (add more nodes/shards = add more scale). Equal node consensus power, and it gets more and more decentralized as it scales (adds more nodes/shards). Add that it's fixed fees priced in USD, that makes it predictable and forecastable costs. No fluctuating, wildly unpredictable gas fees.

NeoDynomite

Let me share this with you. I created it with AI to make it easy for my family and friends to understand… For over 50 years, our financial system has barely changed. It runs on slow wires, middlemen, bank delays, and tons of paperwork. Now everything is being rebuilt using blockchain technology — and the change is as big as the jump from landline phones to smartphones. People like Tom Lee, Larry Fink (BlackRock), Ray Dalio, and others are openly saying: ✅ “This is a once-in-a-generation change in how money and assets move.” Here’s the easiest way to understand it. ⸻ 🔹 1. Everything is moving onto blockchains Stocks, bonds, real estate, currencies — everything is being “tokenized,” which means they will move and settle on the blockchain. Just like movies moved from DVDs → Netflix assets are moving from paper → blockchain. This makes transactions: • instant • cheaper • safer • 24/7 • global This is why Wall Street, banks, and governments are all switching to blockchain rails. ⸻ 🔹 2. Ethereum is becoming the “internet of finance” Ethereum will likely become the network where: • stocks trade • real estate transfers • loans settle • money moves • contracts run automatically Think of Ethereum like the new financial computer. Banks will use it. Companies will use it. AI systems will use it. This is why big institutions are quietly buying Ethereum. ⸻ 🔹 3. Bitcoin becomes the foundation underneath everything Even if people mostly pay with dollars or stablecoins… The global financial system still needs a backup asset that everyone can trust. Bitcoin became that asset because: • it can’t be changed • it can’t be printed • it belongs to no country • it’s fully transparent • it settles instantly worldwide Bitcoin becomes the “digital gold” that backs the system — not by backing dollars, but by backing trust. That’s why so many billionaires, CEOs, and investment funds view Bitcoin as essential. ⸻ 🔹 4. Why both Bitcoin and Ethereum matter ETH = the digital world where assets live and move Think of it like the highways, power grid, and computer system of the new financial world. BTC = the digital asset that gives the system trust Think of it like the safety vault and the foundation the system stands on. Both are needed: • Ethereum runs the global financial apps • Bitcoin secures the global financial value This is why neither replaces the other. ⸻ 🔹 5. Why this transition is happening now Because the old system is: • too slow • too expensive • too easy to break • not built for AI, globalization, or 24/7 commerce The new system is: • instant • global • programmable • transparent • much safer Every major institution — BlackRock, Fidelity, JPMorgan, Citi, etc. — is preparing for this shift. This is NOT a small trend or a fad. It’s the beginning of a new financial era. ⸻ 🔹 6. What this means long-term Bitcoin and Ethereum are becoming: ✔ Core building blocks of the future financial system ✔ Assets that institutions will need for decades ✔ Critical infrastructure for governments, companies, and markets This is why so many analysts — Tom Lee, Mike Novogratz, Cathie Wood, etc. — believe prices will rise long-term. It’s not speculation. It’s adoption.

MinimalGravitas

The amount of ETH in circulation has gone up by an average of 0.193% per year since it switched to proof of stake ('The Merge') about 3 years and 3 months ago. The amount of BTC in circulation has increased by an average of 1.282% per year over that same time. Looking more recently, over the last 30 days the current BTC supply has been increasing by 0.825% per year, while the current ETH supply is increasing at 0.783% per year. > But BTC doesn’t have inflation, we’re mining to the last block reward, and then transaction fees will be paid to miners. This just depends on human choices, it is not a law of the universe or anything, it just depends on consensus. There is no agreed upon solution to Bitcoin's security budget issue, and one of the most likely options is to introduce tail emmissions, scrapping the 21 million limit in order to keep paying miners... and this would happen significantly before the current emmission schedule reaches zero. The problem to be solved is that Bitcoin (the chain) can only process a relatively small number of transactions per block, therefore the only way to replace the new BTC issuance with transaction fees is to massively increase the cost for users. Doing so however would disincentivize users from transacting, which means the payment to miners would need to be taken from fewer transactions, meaning they would need to cost more, meaning fewer people would transact etc etc and round we go again. The result is that less revenue would be going to miners, so less miners/hashrate would participate, and so the security of the chain decreases. The more expensive BTC becomes and the lower the security budget, the more tempting of a target the network becomes. A lot of people who get their understanding from twitter memes and non-technical influencers like Saylor seem to believe that Bitcoin would be infinitely expensive to attack, but a successful 51% attack at the moment would cost just tens of billions of dollars, a lot for sure, but not much compared to the total amount of value on Bitcoin. Just letting the cost of a successful attack reduce will all but guaruntee that the chain is 51% attacked at some point. None of the proposed solutions seem very palitable: * Massively increase block-size so more transactions can occur per block - this would reduce decentralization and last time it was proposed there was a civil war that resulted in BCH; * Abandon PoW mining and change to a new consensus model - difficult because Bitcoin Maxis have spent the last 5 years preaching that every other system is heresy; * Abandon the 21 million limit and introduce tail emissions, this would allow miners to be sustained long term and would not need a big change to the network, but of course would upset all of the 'store of value' newbies who think understanding Bitcoin just means believing the coin will increase in value.

Supaflyray

You gotta be a bot. BTC has a finite amount. Only 21m. ETH doesn’t have a max supply. But as transaction happen, old ETH is burned and new ETH is minted. At one point, ETH was deflationary. Burning more ETH than it mints. But the last time I checked, it’s like a few hundred thousand new ETH is minted every year, depending on burn and gas fees. Like maybe 100k NEW ETH entering the market every year.

oak1337

3rd crypto ever, behind BTC and ETH, to get a spot ETF. Entire countries adopting (examples Australia and Georgia). Global Fortune 2000's building on it, which will be seen when CLARITY Act finally passes. I guess time will tell... While ETH and all it's L2's are still fumbling around with the Blockchain Trilemma trying to figure out how to scale, Hedera solved the Trilemma, donated it's entire codebase to Linux Foundation, and got launched into space on satellites for Post Quantum Security companies.

IndependentPrimary89

Ethereum blockchain is the internet pf decentralised computing. It’s going to be one of the biggest chains in the next 10 years. But what its going to do in next 12 months is not certain. Question is, will you be able to handle it when/if ETH goes to $300? I would have shared my YouTube video if you were Indian since it’s in Hindi, where I talk more about ETH.

oak1337

Lol keep referring back to the value, the liquidity, etc... You can keep repeating it, and I'll keep repeating it... Liquidity and value can change in an instant. Your foundation is quick sand. Ya know what can't change in an instant? The underlying technology. Hedera is, and will always be, technologically superior to ETH. It's an F15 jet vs a Honda Civic.

oak1337

I'm just saying that the answer of "liquidity" for using ETH is flimsy. The tech sucks, that's why they have to build L2s. The L2s suck. It's just bad tech, Hedera is better. Liquidity will move.

VariatCA

So did the guy you're responding to, back in April/May of this year. He was here every day saying how "shorting ETH was free money and it was about to nosedive below 1k soon". He had measurably much less to say on the matter as Eth climbed from like $1800 to $4900 in barely 3 months, though. Crypto can always surprise you. "It works until it suddenly doesn't."

oak1337

Lol the entire point of Web3 is that liquidity can move anywhere, at any time, instantly and cheaply. Liquidity can change instantly. Underlying fundamental technology cannot. Hedera tech > ETH tech

Original-Ad4399

I tried this once. Then ETH rallied and I got burnt

Project_Demosthenes_

Alt coins are all memecoins and I would recommend only BTC, ETH, and SPX6900.

SpontaneousDream

I don't get why more people aren't lending BTC and borrowing ETH or LINK on Aave. Borrow APY for LINK, for example, has been sub 1% for a very long time!! And the link/btc ratio has literally just been going straight down for over 5 years straight...same with eth/btc. Ratio has been straight down since 2018! That means if you borrow ETH back then at around 0.14 ratio, the debt you owed would be worth about-75% less. When you include a roughly 3% borrow APY, the debt owed would've gone down in value by about 70% (in other words, you profit 70% on your ratio trade). Am I missing something?

oak1337

Lol no. They'll be on Hashgraph Online (www.hol.org). Why would an AI agent choose ETH? Slow, expensive, not secure for quantum. Lol.

YogurtclosetTall2558

Most “top crypto” ETFs end up looking simpler on the surface than they actually are. The overfunded effect you’re seeing usually comes from premiums, liquidity gaps, or how the fund custodies the underlying assets. Crypto ETFs don’t behave like S&P index funds because the underlying market is fragmented and custody risk still exists. So the ETF price drifting above actual NAV isn’t unusual. If you want exposure without picking coins but still want something closer to the real assets, you’re usually better off holding a small basket yourself. BTC + ETH plus one or two infrastructure plays gives you more control and less hidden structure.

YogurtclosetTall2558

Honestly, with 1000 dollars the best move is to avoid chasing random tickers. Start with assets that have survived every cycle like BTC and ETH. Then, if you want exposure to newer narratives, look at projects solving real problems instead of meme tokens. For example, data infrastructure in AI is becoming a real sector. Something like Ocean Protocol focuses on secure data exchange and has been around since 2017 without blowing up users. But don’t buy anything blindly. Start small, learn how wallets work, and treat it like a long term experiment instead of a gamble.

RandomJoe7

I was a "hodler" with "diamond hands" since 2017 cycle, then again in 2021 cycle. Had lots of unrelaized profits every now and then, and instead of "cashing out/taking profits", I decided to hodl and watch the values go down and down and down. Some coins never recovered, others did a little bit, but much worse than expected etc. What did I do different this time? I told myself the cycle probably WILL repeat like usual, unlike all the people who always said "its gonna be different THIS time", bought only BTC/ETH (fuck all the bullshit alts) at the low of the market a couple years ago... and told myself I will this time make sure I sell/take profits. And that's why I did. In Oktober I zoomed out, it looks very similar to the "double top" of 2021 etc... and I sold everything. Only a few weeks later, everything dropped a lot. Of course, who knows, maybe it really "will be different... THIS time"... and I made a mistake. But one thing I can say for sure: it feels much better taking profits than it does watching your unrealized gains evaporate and turn into losses. Not just that, I now have a lot of liquidity to invest in other things, or even just get interest on, while I can wait for a good moment to get back in (if another good bear market comes).

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Dark_Raiden_

Tom Lee said ~ETH~ his bags are going to explode soon

Spoofik

That's cool, wen 5k ETH ?

baIIern

On Bitcoin.com? They just like to throw shit on ETH I think

wtfmoe

vipcryptovault (vip crypto vault) is relatively a small and new TG channel, but they tradingview profile and market analysis is inanse specially predictng BTC and ETH moves. check their TG and see for yourself

wtfmoe

vipcryptovault (vip crypto vault) is relatively a small and new TG channel, but they tradingview profile and market analysis is inanse specially predictng BTC and ETH moves

casiocoin

Didn’t see your reply earlier, low fees are actually a bad thing and foster an environment for more fake volume/scams. ETH fees are actually like a checks and balances system and severely limit or invalidate profits of running millions of bots. Solana will never be used for anything other than meme coins, and while some can be lucrative this limitation also means it will never supersede total market capitalization of coins like btc/eth. ETH is still the most scalable token in existence. Remember, these blockchains need new money coming in to expand, not just TVL, and Solana will tank very fast when KOLs and top whales start liquidating. Solana was created for scammers, by scammers, the founders of Solana were always in on it and conspired with Twitter influencers in the early days.

KingRenCaliRP

I’ve bought ETH 50 a day since 2018. Paid off big time.

b1mm3rl1f3

ETH is going to explode in 2026 😂 $$20k Remindme! 1 year

Present-Ad-3550

BTC and ETH only. No poo poo coins as Kevin O'Leary likes to say

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CriticalCobraz

**Summary:** BitMine acquired 69,822 Ethereum last week (valued at $195 million), bringing its total holdings to 3.63 million ETH—representing 3% of Ethereum's circulating supply, worth approximately $10.1 billion. Despite this purchase, the company's stock has dropped 43% over the past month, hitting a four-month low of $24.33 before recovering 10% to $28 on Monday. Key Points: * This was BitMine's second-smallest Ethereum purchase of the year * The company increased its unencumbered cash from $607M to $800M * BitMine also holds 192 Bitcoin and a $38M stake in a Worldcoin-related crypto treasury firm * Chairman Tom Lee attributed the crypto decline to $19 billion in forced liquidations but believes Ethereum's downside is limited (5-7%) with significant upside potential * The company plans to deploy Ethereum validator infrastructure in early 2026

benzenol

Quantum encryption will be built into the blockchain on future updates for enhanced security. Curious to see how ETH will approach this matter, in contrast with smart contract development & code execution.

NYSDiscExchange

No blow off top = the game is still on. I am buying up alts any time ETH is below $3,000. I still fully believe there is going to be an alt season before the cycle is done and until I am seeing a $1000 AAVE I am not leaving.

inadyttap

ETH $10k EOY

MariachiArchery

Not freaking out when the market moves 5-10% overnight, that is for sure. I got in before the 2017 run up. I watched BTC and ETH 20x, then retrace 90-95% the following year. I held BTC from 20 to 3.5 and ETH from 1.1k to $80. I also watched like 90% of the ICO bullshit go to zero, and take pretty much every alt with it. The vast majority (about 95%) of projects from this time were removed from exchanges, and about 80% of them were just straight up scams to begin with. What did I do when it all came crashing down? I just sat there. I didn't do anything. The fundamentals of this space didn't change, I still thought it was a good investment, so I just waited. I did DCA into a bit more BTC, but as the price started to rise again, I decided I didn't have the risk apatite for more of this asset class, so I've just stayed put. And to be frank right now, I feel overexposed. Stayed put through the 2020's boom and bust too. No regrets what so ever. This market has shown me that all I need to do is wait, and not overexpose myself. When people say "don't invest what you can't afford to lose", you need to listen, because this shit can pull back 80% *fast.* You need to be very ready to keep your money in the market. Don't chase alts, stick to ETH and BTC, don't get emotional, be patient, and you need to be certain that the money you have going in, isn't money you'll need any time soon, because anything can happen, and the worst thing for you, would be needing to sell a loss because your dog got sick or some shit.

lollybaby0811

I arrived in 2017 and cashed out. Reinvested and cashed tf out. Its not profit if you didnt do anything with it. Waiting for ETH to get to about to 2k, I'll buy 10. Sell at 3.5k, no need to wait till 4k and up. Anything more than 50% is fantastic

PapiMak

DCA BTC with a side of ETH.

Rocko210

LOL, it’s been bad since 2023. Only BTC, BNB, and ETH have moved.

VariatCA

Depends what he (and you) are talking about averaging down on. If you spent the last three years averaging down on ETH or BTC there's literally no way you lost money. Even ETH was basically sub-2k from May 2022 until the end of 2023, was ~2500 all last summer and was *well* below 3k for all of Feb->July of this year. Old, "dead" alts/memes with no support, sure, don't dig the hole deeper.

SpontaneousDream

I can't think of more of a top signal when Bitminer was buying ETH at the top and calling for literally $60k ETH. The dude has to be on drugs

Backrus

It's not like BTC is exactly flying, every move up has been instantly sold off since December 2024 FOMC. ETH shouldn't dump because BTC whales are selling, but that's not the world we're living in. Still, the most bullish thing for this space would be Wall St running ETH higher, without BTC - after that coins could decouple and start trading on their own, instead of dumping every day with hijacked coin.

MinimalGravitas

Here are the figures from Friday: *Bitcoin ETFs: 1D NetFlow: -2,599 $BTC (-$236.54M) 7D NetFlow: -1,084 $BTC (-$98.63M) * Ethereum ETFs: 1D NetFlow: +18,286 $ETH (+$57.09M 7D NetFlow: +44,195 $ETH (+$137.98M) * Solana ETFs: 1D NetFlow: +31,742 $SOL (+$4.32M) 7D NetFlow: +422,239 $SOL (+$57.42M) Source: https://x.com/lookonchain/status/1996973439438279062?t=P7m9f0rEv_MXF39kbpH26g&s=19

wtfmoe

Check vip crypto vault on tradingview. They have an insane take on BTC and ETH moves. Really helpful. I follow them on TG too

Dark_Raiden_

OTC mate. Also ETH daily trading volume is massive compared to his purchases so if sentiment is bad, of course price is going to tank.

kaimaybo

1. f you are looking to test Volume Profile on crypto with decent spreads, CFT is still the cleanest option I have found. 2. I tried FTMO and the 5ers for a whil but their crypto list felt too limited for anything beyond majors BTC and ETH. 3. Crypto fund trader gave me enough altcoin pairs to actually stress test my setup without feeling boxed in. For a strategy that depends on volume shape, having more symbols makes a big difference.

Infamous_Tivenca

BTC and ETH might rebound if key supports hold, but volatility isn’t going anywhere soon.

iamjide91

It’s a wild time in crypto, no doubt. BTC and ETH have taken hits (I call them discounts), altcoins are underperforming, and volatility is through the roof (I call that even bigger discounts). While whales and institutions are accumulating (eg, TOM LEE's BITMINE), the real opportunity might be in projects with actual utility. I've always been a fan of that, keeping a close watch on AIOZ, PEAQ and FIL. While everyone is fixated on charts and hype, these projects might be setting up for long-term growth IMO NFA. For those looking beyond short-term swings, keeping an eye on real-world utility projects could pay off big.

MaximumStudent1839

Sidechain blah blah blah modularity is a dead thing. ETH is pivoting away. Cosmos went full PoA for “institution chains”. Celestia went full HFT CEX build. Polkadot is pivoting to JAM and a unified hub. Your narrative of modular scaling is too late…

VariatCA

ETF inflows are in, with BTC at +54M inflows total, while Blackrock's Ibit shed -$32M. ETH's only daily ETF reporting was from Blackrock today apparently, an outflow of -$75M.

ftball21

Just a reminder to hold strong and don’t be fudded out. I was scrolling through my emails and found my first 2 buys on coinbase… 🥲🥲🥲 “On January 20, 2017 you purchased 0.1000 BTC for $91.04 USD” “On January 20, 2017 you purchased 7.0000 ETH for $75.89 USD”

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Far-Juice-6197

Yeah, 2025’s been tough with Q4 dips: BTC hit $126K highs but pulled back, ETH had only 3 positive months, and DEX volumes dropped 26%. Recent crashes like the $1B liquidation on Dec 1 didn’t help. But overall, it was strong: market cap topped $4T (up from start of year), BTC/ETH smashed ATHs, stablecoins hit $287B, ETFs boomed, and VC funding rebounded to $8B in Q3. Hang tight, projections see BTC breaking ATH in 2026..

Steezy_Steve1990

I’ve been in crypto since 2017. My intro was buying the top in 2017 and ridding my bags down 90% until 2021 when those bags 10x my initial investment and I sold them. This cycle. Similar to you. Had a 6x on my SUI bag in January 2025 and round tripped it to today. Still in profit on my SUI but everything else is 60%-90% down. All I can say is crypto is a highly volatile asset and people seem to forget to have the possibility of 10x returns you have to accept that that same volatility can dump your bags 90%. Another point, people in this market have the memory of a goldfish and the emotional maturity of a toddler. Every time we get a dump it’s over and every time it pumps lock in for 100x gains. They aren’t right. The answer is normally somewhere in the middle. As for lessons I’ve learnt the hard way. Don’t chase pumps and FOMO in every pump and sell every dump. You will slowly loose all your money. Hold a few high conviction cryptos that you actually believe in and for god sakes do your own research. Also, being in this market now for 8 years, I can say that it is changing. Institutions are here now and we’re playing their game. Low market cap coins might be dead. Better off seeing where big money is going and invest in large caps. Best thing is buy BTC/ETH/SOL in the depths of the bear market. Guaranteed great profits within a few years.

MotanulScotishFold

It was good actually...Buying ETH at 1500$ and having ATH in August

Wdym_Brother

I’ve been feeling eerily calm ever since the October 10th flash crash, kinda like acceptance ig? I wonder if anyone else has been feeling the same way. I rode the pump last Nov-Dec 2024 and just watched my portfolio shoot up, not selling like an idiot despite the 125% gains in a month, and then was stuck bag holding until I made a bit of profit in September this year after holding for 11 months. Unfortunately, I reinvested those profits in October right before the flash crash 😂. Maybe bag holding for almost a year made me numb to the flash crash, but I don’t wanna use the word numb bc that implies I felt sad or upset abt the crash; I just saw it as part of the risks involved in crypto and as one of those things that can always happen unexpectedly. Also, for those who’ve been involved in crypto prior to 2022, I’m wondering if anyone has any wisdom they’d be willing to share about their experience with past bear markets, especially in relation to high cap alt coins. I’ve been very fortunate in the sense that I first got into BTC and ETH at the very lows of the bear market in Dec 2022, but made the mistake of rotating those profits into AVAX this cycle. None of my money invested is money I can’t afford to lose, so losing it all isn’t a concern. Just wondering if people have insight when it comes to handling the bear market if this is truly the start of it, since it would be my first bear market