ETH

namieorange

Holding onto my spot for now. If we get a dead cat bounce I'm selling some. We entered capitulation imo. Saving the remaining capital for unde 60k BTC and 1550 ETH if they happen

SpontaneousDream

ETH looking like a coin that makes $50k in revenue per day. Oh wait

SeriousGains

My most profitable holding since 2019. Seriously outperforming ETH.

HoldCtrlW

$1750 ETH, up 4% on my short

That_Fox2309

Seeing BTC dip toward $65K with ETH around $1.8K, the liquidation headlines look more like leverage getting flushed than proof of a clean bottom. I'd watch whether spot demand and flows stabilize over the next few sessions, along with the weekly close, before drawing a bigger trend conclusion. Choppy markets are a good reminder not to let leverage decide your timeline.

HoldCtrlW

Good flush, now let's flush down sub $1600 on ETH too.

Live-Finger1428

CPI probably caused the first punch through liquidations. The ETF outflows mattered because there was not enough demand waiting underneath. The cleaner signal on Moon now is whether ETH can reclaim $2,100 after the leverage flush. If it keeps failing there then $2,000 probably gets tested no matter what BitMine buys.

Ruzhyo04

You know what, I’m sorry I was condescending earlier. I forget that sometimes people just aren’t working with the same fundamental knowledge I am. Everyone has to have their turn as one of today’s lucky ten thousand, as [XKCD would say](https://xkcd.com/1053/). So, you’re right in that what backs a currency matters. And who that currency is relevant to matters. So let’s do a TL;DR comparison look at the USD vs ETH and the others: USD is backed by the US government, and it matters to US citizens and anyone who interacts with the US economy. ETH is backed by the Ethereum government (yes that’s a thing, I’ll explain below), and it matters to Ethereum users and the Ethereum economy. Beanie babies, Starbucks reward points, memecoins, and your child’s drawing are all valued the same way, if you think about it. You know the US government. Military, local and state, the branches, etc., the economy also matters. Anything that has trust in the US existing beyond today. But if you’re in a remote Amazonian tribe, why would they care? The audience is broad but not complete. The Ethereum government is the people who run nodes, the stakers, the devs, and the users. The apps and protocols built on top, things that make the Ethereum economy, matter too. Anything that has trust in Ethereum existing beyond today. But you don’t use Ethereum, so why would you care? I do, so it matters to me. There’s an a smaller audience than USD, but it’s still pretty sizable. And Memecoins are backed by the code they’re written in that defines their scarcity, the popularity of the meme, the belief that others will want to participate. The audience is small. A child’s drawings are scarce and valuable to the parents and abundant and worthless to everyone else. I wouldn’t pay for someone else’s, but in a divorce proceeding who gets to keep them might be a point of contention, right? If your aggrieved spouse says “I’ll give you the silverware for them” you might tell them no, but if they offer the car? So there is POTENTIALLY a monetary value there, but the audience is as narrow as possible. So to your original point. The audiences can overlap but they aren’t the same. Print as many tokens as you like, it just makes the economy they are running on more in demand and valuable. Same as more companies being built in the US economy makes it stronger, even if many of those companies fail or suck. And to your last point, if the onchain economy grows to encompass the US economy, yes it can take over as the dominant currency. It’s a superior form of money, has a lot of properties you’d wish the USD had. And [IRL companies](https://www.galaxy.com/insights/research/big-companies-building-on-ethereum) are building on it, so in the future this is an actual possibility.

SeriousGains

What are ETH bulls thinking atm?

strong_slav

Idk, I don't see this as a problem. Crypto acts like a highly volatile tech stock and right now, because of the Iran War, hawkish Fed, etc., we're in a "risk-off" environment in which people are moving away from risky tech investments. I think now is the time to look for crypto with good fundamentals (e.g. TRX, SOL, ETH, XMR) and buy at a discount. Either that or wait to buy when the price action is looking good.

HoldCtrlW

We need to flush out that $1800 on ETH there is still way too many shorts at $1800

EmbarrassedDingo9467

Yeah, there's actually support around $800, but I don't think ETH will break below the psychological $1,000 level. Even if it does, a drop back to the previous low around $1,380 would be a massive hit to the entire market, not just ETH.

Ruzhyo04

Yes, and places that allow me to spend BTC and ETH will never take harambecoin or sixseventoken. Another example, let’s look at things that have value but aren’t money. Your child draws a precious picture of you two in a hug, at your favorite place together. You want to hang it on the fridge and save it forever. I come along and tell you “that pic has no value because tomorrow ten thousand other children will draw a picture just like it”. How dumb am I?

satyamb22

BTC, ETH, SOL are the blue chip I’m betting on. In terms of more risk I’m betting on AZTEC Privacy chain since I know their developers and they are building the solution seriously for last few years. Also I feel as AI matures wore, people would be able to figure out your real name and address from wallet address so I’m betting on privacy thing. Just my thesis. Still very hard to predict which token will succeed, so my bet is purely from teams tech point of view

Ruzhyo04

Do Kohls Cash and Starbucks rewards points devalue the USD? If I start an arcade and sell tokens worth $1 to use in my games does that devalue the USD? I’m trying to illustrate that just because someone makes a meme token, it doesn’t mean that it has any effect whatsoever on ETH or BTC. And you implying that it does is pretty dumb.

Probstna

Buying UNI under 5, SOL and ETH soon, and more BTC

snrpro

I mean, when you really think about the essence of Bitcoin and how it was created: the foresight in decentralization to vanish as the creator, the foresight in how it's mined over time, the security (literally can not be hacked), the public ledger, it's quite exciting and fascinating (beautiful even) as a form of money. I'd argue it's the most brilliant form ever created, honestly. Then, with ETH, smart contracts are quite revolutionary.

AlphaRanger88

The biggest mistake in this market is trying to recover losses by jumping into whatever coin looks the most oversold. LTC going from $45 back to $70 sounds amazing, but there's a reason it's down there. Cheap doesn't automatically mean undervalued. Personally, I'd rather scale into BTC and ETH gradually than move 50% of my BTC into LTC hoping for a bounce. If BTC loses another 10%, there's a good chance alts get hit even harder. And honestly, the fact that every small rally gets sold immediately tells me buyers still aren't fully in control. I'm not convinced the bottom is in, but I'm also not trying to catch the exact bottom. Keeping some dry powder seems smarter than going all-in either direction. One question though: if you weren't already holding LTC, would you genuinely buy it today over BTC, or are you just remembering when it was $70?

---Truthseeker---

By 2030 ETH should be quantum proof, Lean Roadmap done or close for it, built in privacy, faster and cheaper with significantly more adoption through stablecoins, agents, tokenization. Have no clue about BTC but ETH has a bright future!!

SpontaneousDream

Shorting ETH against BTC and HYPE has been stupid profitable, it's actually scaring me a bit that this trade isn't more crowded.

Alexander-305

Quick update since you posted: as of about 10:30 AM ET, ETH perp on BloFin is around 1,834, so the 1,860-1,890 hourly support you flagged has given way, and the 24h low there is about 1,828. The 9 AM ET hourly candle did most of the damage, roughly 1,893 down to 1,853 on about 13,000 ETH traded versus about 1,700 ETH the hour before, so that was a real volume push, not a slow drift. Funding is the part I'd watch next. It's still slightly positive, about +0.0007% per 8h on BloFin and +0.0012% on Bitunix (public market data; we partner with both). So even after the support break, longs are still paying a little to stay in. If the retest from below fails the way you described and funding flips clearly negative, that would point to shorts piling in rather than longs getting flushed, which can set up a squeeze later, though not always. Until then, waiting for a reclaim instead of catching the knife makes sense to me. Just one data lens, not a call.

epic_trader

Do you actually know anything about crypto? Do you understand the value of decetralization and permissionlessness? Have you heard about Ethereum? DeFi? The main purpose of crypto isn't to invent a bunch of new use cases that didn't exist before. The point of crypto is to offer a better way to do things that we already can do. Namely, a more secure and decentralized alternative. Without crypto, if you want to transfer $10,000 to someone else, you either have to wait a long time, be KYC'd and have your transaction reviewed or pay a large fee. With Ethereum you can send $10,000 in less than 12 secs for a fee of $0.005. That's the difference. Whether you live in Cuba or China or Venezuela or Somalia, you can access a secure financial system which will allow you to safely store your money in ETH or stablecurrencies, you can earn an interest, trade, whatever, and your goverment or a central authority can't seize your funds or prevent you from spending them and you're not subject to things like runaway inflation.

NeedCaffine78

Nah, passive investment. Timing was a coincidence, thought BTC was at a good price and had some spare money at the time, ETH and XRP too. Sold some 18 months later as needed some money, wanted to take some risk out of it

mateo_raj-47

AI capability alone doesn't establish ETH's obsolescence; that depends on whether agents need what its network provides and whether alternatives do it better.

Hoxous

I agree that crypto often moves as one risk asset, especially during sharp deleveraging. When liquidity tightens, Bitcoin, ETH, and most altcoins tend to correlate because positioning, funding, and risk appetite dominate individual fundamentals. I also agree that ETF outflows are at least partly reactive. Several studies find that ETF investors often sell after price declines and buy after rallies, so flows can follow price rather than lead it. That said, I would be careful treating “below $70K is good value” as a standalone signal. A lower price is only good value if the thesis, demand, liquidity, and macro backdrop support it. Oversold can stay oversold for longer than expected, especially when leverage is being unwound. Q1 2027 momentum is possible, but it feels more like a scenario than a forecast. I would want to see spot demand stabilize, funding reset without another liquidation cascade, and ETF outflows slow before treating this as a regime change rather than a correction.

unitedbsd

I just recently found that Indian Police is using Cardano chain to store forensic evidences https://youtu.be/ktajMuidYtU Also heard may farmers using Cardano based product for supply chain in India with help of NGO. Just two that came to my mind. Definitely not as many as compared to ETH

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Secondary3776

Because in the last 3 years, ETH has gone from <2k to >4k twice, and now it’s <2k again. Figure it out.

Beginning_Ask_9930

I don't look at it that way. Tether is not like USDC. They are OG and will make moves for clients, themselves, and big users like Justin Sun. Tether is also a buyer and a seller of BTC. They are also a buyer of treasuries. They benefit from interest hikes. They see the board based on flows. Rate cut and they loose money. Hikes they benefit because they take the exchange cash and invest it. Lutnick, Commerce secretary, firm also are owners of USDT. Europe is about to freeze out USDT. Senator Blumenthal just called to see their records as he drills into the president. When I see those tweets about about some exchange printing like $300M, I look at as exit liquidity. Retail thinks pump and gets eager while the whales are about to take retails money and cash out. the candle is sitting on the 200 day avg on the daily. This used to shake BTC more but IBIT has slowed that. ETH also has gotten better to its impact. As well as Hype which may be based on how they are set up and built. Never permeated their system and chain. So it's going to get interesting. https://preview.redd.it/rd0b9x63uf1i1.png?width=861&format=png&auto=webp&s=8708da877726a6c3676ffeff83fde8acf398ab12

Casual_Star

That ETH price is interesting 👀

Mr_Hodlerr

Honest answer: nobody knows. The most useful thing I've seen this week is three systems that don't pretend to. I run a public test where Claude Opus, Claude Fable and my own trading AI each manage $50,000 of paper money on live BTC and ETH prices. None of them is trying to call next week. All three are simply out. The Claude models have been 100% in cash since Nov 5. Mine sold its last BTC at the Nov 12 close. What I find more interesting than a forecast is what each says it needs to see before buying back. From their own notes last night: Opus wants BTC back above about 76k, or a base that holds for several days. Fable wants a close above roughly 80k. So their answer to "bounce or new lows" is that the price will tell them. They'd rather miss the first part of a bounce than sit through the rest of a fall. Where that has left them at the Nov 12 close, since Oct 9: holding -16.24%, the Claude models -7.55% and -7.58%, mine -3.43%. I build the third one (Botsfolio). Every decision and note is public here if you want to watch what they do when it turns: [https://botsfolio.com/battle/botsfolio-ai-vs-claude](https://botsfolio.com/battle/botsfolio-ai-vs-claude)

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crfenix

The only logical explanation is that when he buys ETH, he shorts with leverage at the same time.

devCheckingIn

Last month Tom Lee said BMNR stock was going to $3500 because of the "Alchemy of 5% (of ETH)". Since then the stock is down 50%.

HoldCtrlW

ETH is up +2.3% since Feb 2021, why is everyone so mad?

Effective-Strike69

Thinking long-term I want to rotate my ETH (only about $10K or so) into BTC (I have 1.5BTC). This is essentially just a hedge/compliment to my more traditional investments (mostly index fund type ETFs). I know, nobody has a crystal ball but looking at the ratios it seems as if now is not the best time to do it?

PM_ME_YOUR___ISSUES

ALRIGHT - FUCK THE FOLKS WHO DOWNVOTED ME. OP - HERE'S SOME EVIDENCE: \*\*That hash is spam in your history\*\* It is on Arbitrum - it is an address poisoning batch. I'm guessing a bot account created 52 fake transfers of counterfeit tokens named to look like USDC, USDT, ETH and ARB. Each one actually copies a real payment (same addresses and amount) - pointing to an address that matches the actual receiver. VV IMP: **Your address appears as the sender in one of them - but you did not sign it - SO THE FUNDS DID NOT MOVE.** \*\*MY Understanding of what happened\*\* Your perps positions were closed. Closing a position needs a signature from your wallet but a scammy token cannot possibly do that. I am guessing that this points to an exposed private key or recovery phrase (or an exposed session key on the perps platform). **Your two suspects:** \- The Chrome flaw was patched 9 Nov.. Google has not said what the attackers did with it - there aren't any public reports on this \- A normal top-up payment signs one transfer - it does not expose your key. Open that transaction on the explorer and check that it is a plain transfer and not an approval. \*\*How to tell from the chain\*\* Look at the transactions where the real funds left. 1. If they were sent \*by your own address\* - the key or recovery phrase is compromised. 2. If \*another address\* pulled the tokens - you had an open approval. Check revoke.cash. 3. Check whether your address now shows as a smart account delegated to a contract tha you might not know. If you post your public address and the hashes of the transactions where funds left, people here can trace where they went. Share the public address only. I AM NOT ASKING YOU TO DM ANYMORE LOL

Alexander-305

BTC at $69,499 is down 4.1% over 24 hours, while ETH is off 2.2% and SOL is nearly flat at +0.2%, so BTC is leading this leg lower. With Fear & Greed at 20 and perp funding roughly flat, much of the leveraged excess may already be cleared; from here, spot demand may matter more than another funding-driven squeeze. I’d watch whether buyers absorb supply rather than assume extreme fear alone marks a bottom.

Doctor_Fritz

BTC and ETH's flows and expected behaviors have been altered since ETF's were introduced. Institutional players entered the chat linking BTC and ETH to the global economic tendencies, just with larger percentage swings. right before before this rally, Agent orange posted on his twitter clone that you should "buy all the crypto". Shortly after that, bond buybacks were announced resulting in a drop in yields on the bonds market. Both combined showed an influx of a large amount into BTC and ETH, triggering liquidations on shorts and a short spike up. However, the macro didn't change, in fact, it got worse for crypto. Inflation and interests kept rising, with higher yields on bonds as a result. US deficit passed 40 trillion USD. Energy crisis still in full swing and the S&P500 being propped up by just a handful of AI related tech companies, with circular financing and order books hiding the true situation; declining stock values of just about every company in the tracker. The US's tariffs created turmoil on the global trade markets and spike costs of living for every day Americans as a result, then doofus in charge decided to attack Iran and spiked inflation even more. Nothing in the current macro is really in favor of crypto booming the way it did, except for market manipulation by the US president and his buddies and a sweep of large amounts of shorts, a president who now has a 3 billion net worth mind you after two years in office. This entire spike was a grift. I said it before during the first leg up and was met with skepticism each time, because people were just aching for a green candle. Well I hope they sold in time because here we are.

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blueblue_electric

I cashed out a long time ago, I had something like a few hundred pounds in when ETH was around £100, cashed in when it went over £300 , then bought some Oliver Sweeney and Solovair shoes, never bought back in as I was asking myself questions about it's use

22marks

Alt season was basically a one-off thing that got infiltrated by scammers, NFTs, and useless memecoins. It's largely responsible for everything going wrong with the sector. They shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as BTC or even ETH.

stories_from_tejas

Economic hardship is no joke. If you needed money would you sell stocks or your small stake in Bitcoin? That’s what the sell off is. I believed in crypto in the past, holding out some hope for Bitcoin long term… but the entire crypto market was sold to us as anti establishment tech, rebellious currency without the controls of corrupt governments. Now we see Laptop coin, Melania coin, dare I say Hawk Tuah Coin. Once we had Elon Musk pushing DOGE, Marc Cuban pushing Cardano, ETH as high intelligent tech coin… what is the crypto space now but a total joke? So when economic times are tough, who but the die hard are going to hold Bitcoin? And to be honest the die hards got it from 5k to 60k and some piled on to show us 100k. The masses left for now and only a huge bull run will entice them back.

confusedguy1212

Time to rotate into ETH.

Alexander-305

Fair, the structure point is real. A big share of BTC demand now runs through spot ETFs that only trade during US market hours, and alts don't get that bid at all. Today is a slightly different picture though: BTC is about $71.3k (CoinGecko, 6:03 PM ET), down around 3.5% on the day, while ETH is down around 2.1%. So alts aren't the ones leading this leg. If that holds on the next red day, it would be the first sign the underperformance is easing.

Previous_Valuable873

It was destined, everyone said this in the XMR community. Let it have its moment, then slow dwindle back like SOL, XRP, ETH etc... all coins that pump will dump over a 2 year period at least....

Alexander-305

Mostly it's a BTC drawdown dragging everything with it. BTC is around $71.6k (CoinGecko, 3:12 PM ET), down about 3.8% on the day, 14% over 30 days and roughly 43% under the Oct 2025 high of $126k. ETH (-20% over 30 days) and SOL (-24%) are falling harder, which is normal when risk appetite drains: BTC dominance is near 59.5%, so money is hiding in the biggest coin rather than rotating into alts, and Fear & Greed sits at 28. How long is the honest unknown. The thing I'd watch is whether alts stop underperforming BTC on red days; until that happens, bounces tend to get sold, so I'd size positions assuming another leg down is possible.

Alexander-305

Short term I read it the same way, but one thing keeps me from getting too confident on the downside: even after this morning's liquidation wave, ETH perp funding is still slightly positive on the two venues I checked, about +0.004% to +0.005% per 8h as of 10:23 AM ET, with price near 2,000 and a 24h low around 1,983. Longs are still paying to stay in, so the crowd hasn't flipped short yet. Flushes like this often don't finish until funding goes flat or negative and shorts become the crowded side. Until that happens I'd treat bounces back toward your neckline as places where trapped longs exit rather than as a reversal. Higher timeframe, I'd wait to see where price settles once funding resets before calling direction. Not advice, just how I'm reading it.

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Alexander-305

Probably not done, but the numbers don't scream bargain either. Per CoinGecko as of this morning, SOL is around $81, down about 24% over 30 days and roughly 72% below its January 2025 high near $293. Over the same 30 days BTC is down about 13% and ETH about 20%, so SOL is falling harder, which is pretty normal for a higher-beta coin in a risk-off stretch. On its own that's not a Solana-specific collapse signal. It's still around #7 by market cap with about $2B of daily volume, so the liquidity hasn't gone anywhere. What I'd want to see before calling a bottom is the relative weakness fading: SOL holding up on days when BTC dips instead of dropping nearly twice as much. If you do buy a couple, size it like it could fall another 30 to 40% from here, because in past drawdowns it has.

MinimalGravitas

You can do the maths yourself. For Bitcoin: - Person A has $100k to invest in mining hardware; - Person B has $100m to invest in mining hardware. The ratio of their wealth is 1:1000 at the start. What would it be after 1 year, 2 years etc. For Ethereum: - Person A has $100k to invest in staking ETH; - Person B has $100m to invest in staking ETH. The ratio of their wealth is 1:1000 at the start. What would it be after 1 year, 2 years etc. For Bitcoin the ratio would grow in favour of person B as time goes on. For Ethereum the ratio would stay about the same over time.

MinimalGravitas

> You assume a rich hostile entity only wants short term profit. I wasn't talking about an attacker, the comment thread is about which system is most biased towards the already rich... but we can talk about a potential attack too if you like? The only PoS chain I know well is Ethereum, so let's look at that as an example. > They may want to destroy the chain regardless of money loss. Firstly let's consider how much money loss are we talking...? There are currently about 44.36 million ETH staked. In order to get over 50% of the validating power an attacker would need more than that. At the current price of $2,060 that would cost about $91 billion... but if you are trying to buy over 1/3 of all ETH in existence the price is not going to remain constant! For comparison, over 50% of bitcoin mining hardware is manufactured by the company 'Bitmain', they are valued at about $14 Billion. Similarly, the research paper "Breaking BFT: Quantifying the Cost to Attack Bitcoin and Ethereum" determined the cost to set up and manufacture ASICs from new facilities for an attack on Bitcoin would be a little over $20 Billion. So an attacker could offer double the market rate for Bitmine, AND spend double the estimated cost to set up a new dominant ASIC manufacturer, meaning 51% attacks forever... and still not come close to the cost of just buying enough ETH to prevent finalization of Ethereum. > They can do it very quickly with pos To bring a validator online you need to move through the staking queue. 256 ETH can start staking each epoch (6.4 minutes). This limit to the churn rate means that for the attacker to stake their ETH once they acquire it would take about 448 days. That doesn't seem to fit the normal definition of *"very quickly"*... unless we're talking geological or evolutionary timescales!

BringTheFingerBack

Where my IOTA gang at? Web 3 takeover, Microsoft is involved in the project. The internet of things ETH killer. Fuck I should have bought Bitcoin instead

TheresNoSecondBest

>Just to be clear what exactly is ETH down 80% compared to? To holding bitcoin. >If 2017 is anchor point ETH is up around 150% from 2017 peak. In dollars. Bitcoin is about 400% up in dollars from its 2017 peak.

rEYAVjQD

> burned holding ETH Typical redditor. They don't read anything and just spam. I explictly said I don't.

Born_Astronomer_4613

ETH is now also a "store of value" apparently. Remember when these were supposed to be currencies?

ThereIsNoGovernance

What's the utility of bitcoin besides melting silicon in the mad pursuit of putting 0's in front of hashes? Functionally there is no comparison, bitcoin is *Pong* compared to ETH's *Final Fantasy*. ETH literally runs 50% of the cryptosphere while all bitcoin does is make number go up or down. PoW is erratic and draws more power than small nations. PoS is consistent and runs on a laptop. I'm not sure which one is closer to a shitcoin. Maybe you take a guess.

Topspeed_PT

ETH has been going downhill for many years now.

Revolutionary-Cup78

You are viewing it only with emotion, I'd guess you got burned holding ETH. Not all crypto is about getting rich, even Bitcoin was originally meant for something else (it failed successfully) PoS is superior to PoW in almost every way. Most alt coin PoW aren't even secure because they don't have enough power protecting them from external attacks. Others have explained how, on the contrary, PoW is a lot more plutocratic. PoS is plain more efficient (energy and operation expenses). What has made Ethereum underperform is simply related with what gives Ethereum a price to begin with. Mostly usage and tokenomics

devCheckingIn

They might have less capital to buy BTC and ETH, and right now a lot of the buying pressure is coming from DATs like MSTR, Strive, BMNR, etc.

Alexander-305

I'd say the flows, at least for ETH. CPI hit everything, but on a 24h basis BTC is down about 2.3% while ETH is down about 4.2%, so there's an ETH-specific seller on top of the macro move, and roughly $550M of ETF outflows in about a week and a half is the obvious one. BitMine is real demand, but ~$20M a week against ~$185M out in a single day isn't close. And since most of its stack is staked, it shrinks liquid float more than it props up price day to day. The 24h low was about $2,003, so $2k has already been tested once. If outflows slow and that level holds, sellers start to look tired. If it breaks while the ETFs are still bleeding, I wouldn't lean on the round number much.

Renowned_Molecule

So far Algorand and Quantus are capable of post quantum secure transactions. Bitcoin is dependent on post quantum chains for Q Txs. Bitcoin Core is working on a solution. .. ETH allegedly is working on a solution. .. We will have to wait, watch, and see which crypto ascend and which become victims to the big Q. AI is also getting out of hand too…

growin60sec

I think the ETF flows matter more for ETH specifically, while CPI set the mood for everything. The $184.5M outflow on Monday, on top of $365M the week before, is direct selling pressure on ETH, and BitMine buying about $20M worth is just too small to offset that. CPI explains why risk assets sold off, but the size and persistence of the ETF outflows is what makes ETH look weak relative to the rest of the market. The $2,000 level is worth watching, since losing it could trigger more ETF redemptions.

Previous_Valuable873

I'd like to remind everyone that the predicted 48k is still very far. Also, XMR will be 5k sooner than ETH ever again, you are welcome.

oneden

>Logic fail. Nobody told you they use smart contracts. You are told decentralized tech can replace banks. Nope. That is historical revisionism at its finest. For the last decade, the entire pitch of the ETH crowd was literally "Smart Contracts are the Trustless Law of the Future." ETH didn't market itself as an abstract philosophical movement but it marketed itself as a computer (include your favorite world computer meme) that executes programmatic agreements (smart contracts) to eliminate intermediaries. Does that sound familiar? It's literally what your entire premise hinges on. >It WILL happen btw because it's the only chance of humanity for decentralization. Why? Making the STATEMENT "that it will happen" merely makes this post an example of blind faith. There is no reason that Star Trek Utopia levels of economic decentralization will ever happen... Oh wait. Not even Star Trek is that unrealistic. >And money stuff is only the beginning. It can replace even governance. Just how it happens with Polymarket? Oh yeah. I can see that coming.

oneden

>Source: butt. Smart contract tech can even replace an entire bank It literally can't. In any conceivable way. Banks are not using smart contracts. They don't even have a tertiary interest in ETH. They take 95% of crypto tech to have an easier time to push their own liquidity around. Smart contracts are an immutable disaster that only tech bros get a hard-on for. Immutability in a finance sector are so antithetical to how the world works, it makes people like Vitalik seem like delusional clowns that haven't touched grass once in their life. The entirely of crypto is slower than tech we have been using for now for more than 80 years. But keep coping.

Alinuo2

Btc can go to 50k In a day. I can't see 1600 ETH not being a possibility 

HoldCtrlW

Easy short here on ETH

Lopsided_Mix_4557

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growin60sec

Consolidation after a big drop usually means nobody knows the timing, so I would plan around your own horizon instead of guessing when. If you can hold for years, doing nothing is a valid plan. If a further drop would force you to sell, trim now while you can think clearly. And I would not trade ETH just because BTC is boring, chop like this is where leverage and overtrading eat people alive.

growin60sec

Part of it is habit from past cycles, but the setup is different now. A lot of the new money comes through ETFs and mostly sits in BTC, so it does not rotate down the risk curve the way exchange inflows used to. Dominance can also fall just because BTC drops, which is not an alt season at all. I agree with the ETH/BTC point above. Until ETH starts outperforming and stablecoin supply is actually growing, I treat alt rallies as trades, not a season.

Alexander-305

Because the last few cycles trained people to expect it. But the mechanism was never "dominance gets high, then rotates." It was a BTC run strong enough to pull in new money, and that new money went looking for higher beta. Without fresh inflows, dominance near 60% mostly means alts are bleeding against BTC, not coiling up. What I'd watch instead of the dominance number itself: - ETH/BTC. Alts rarely get a real season while ETH keeps lagging, and today ETH is down about 2% on the day versus roughly 1% for BTC. - Stablecoin supply growth. Rotation needs dry powder coming in, not the same money moving around. - Whether alt rallies hold after funding resets. A lot of recent alt pumps have been leverage-driven squeezes that fade once longs pile in and funding turns positive. Not saying it can't happen, just that "it always follows" comes from cycles with very different liquidity. Until those start lining up, I'd treat alt pumps as trades, not the start of a season.

mercuryy

There is no connection between AI tokens and tech. There even is no connection between AI and AI tokens btw. AI runs fine without blockchains, and even payments from, for or through AI can already be sent through a protocol that coinbase and cloudflare helped inventing together. X402 was somewhat blockchain related despite using stablecoins mostly (USDC on ETH and Solana), the successor protocol MPP also allows agentic use or most classic payment types, like cards through stripe for example. Whichever coins are trying to stoke hype by saying they are "linked to AI" or "inevitable for AI use" are only running empty promises on the search for bagholders as they are in no way necessary for AI in any form or shape. They just like to talk up a connection for marketing reasons.

jwz9904

grats on ur ETH short

HoldCtrlW

Quick dip to $1600 for ETH to retest and grab all that liquidity

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HoldCtrlW

ETH is up 13% over the past 3 months, looking good here

PopLegion

ETH is a shit coin. Not a store of value Not good at being used as a currency Unlimited Supply Premined Central authority All it is used for is creating even shittier shit coins.

musket2018

ETH is dead, it just doesn’t know it yet. SOL undervalued 

anon1999666

You’ll probably be downvoted but you’re right. I’ve been soley investing in tech since the 23 lows. I purchased most of my ETH/BTC 2019-21 with a few smaller investments in 22. It’s hard for me to throw a single dollar to BTC/ETH now despite working a well paying tech job. 5 years of compound growth is a lot to miss out on and It’s getting harder to justify even putting a low percentage of my salary towards Bitcoin/ETH now. I’ll be very interested in watching the next run. If it doesn’t outperform the S&P through 2030 then I’ll likely dump everything at that point.

coconut1890

BTC now gets outperformed in most time-frames compared to gold going back 5 years. Almost all BTC (and ETH) gains are from 5 years and longer ago. Unless BTC makes a nice move up this or next year, I might have to reflect if BTC is still a worthwhile hold, or if I should just liquidate everything into stocks and bonds. For now, crypto legit is looking like a dead investment with all the risk attached.

hiimtashy

ETH is a joke

Sassy_Allen

You’re listing institutional adoption as though that automatically proves Ethereum has fulfilled its original World Computer vision. I’m not denying Ethereum has significant adoption in finance. But tokenizing financial assets, transferring stablecoins, and settling transactions is a much narrower achievement than becoming a comprehensive decentralized computing platform. We’re talking about a World Computer here, not just a programmable financial ledger. There’s a difference between executing smart contracts and actually hosting entire applications, including their frontends, backends, data, and computational workloads. Most Ethereum applications still rely heavily on traditional infrastructure for those functions. Calling something the World Computer doesn’t automatically mean it’s delivering on that ambition. And your argument about ETH demand is exactly what I’m questioning. You’re describing record network activity, growing institutional adoption, and increasing gas consumption, yet that hasn’t translated into sustained ETH price appreciation or stronger fee burning economics. Ethereum’s scaling strategy has made computation cheaper, weakening the relationship between adoption and token value. So why should anyone automatically assume more adoption will eventually make ETH a better store of value than Bitcoin? Listing financial institutions proves there’s demand for Ethereum’s services, not necessarily sustained demand to hold ETH. And since we’re discussing the World Computer, look at what ICP is actually capable of doing. It can host entire applications directly on-chain, including frontend interfaces, backend logic, persistent data, and substantial computational workloads, without requiring the same traditional cloud infrastructure. The UNDP announced a collaboration with DFINITY to explore sovereign cloud infrastructure and AI applications for governments and public institutions. Pakistan has gone further, deploying a sovereign Cloud Engine built on ICP, designed to run government applications, national-scale digital services, and AI powered systems while keeping sensitive data under national control. They’re developing capabilities for sovereign messaging, government software, and eventually broader digital public infrastructure. That’s a considerably more expansive vision of decentralized computing than simply recording financial transactions or settling tokenized assets. Ethereum has clearly found substantial adoption in finance, but if we’re going to call something the World Computer, shouldn’t we judge it by how much of the actual computing stack it can run rather than how many financial institutions use its ledger?

Foreign-Addendum1139

Hola. En mí caso, mí portafolio cripto solos esTA compuesto por 5 activos: Btc 50% Eth 20% Sol 20% Xrp 5% Link 5% Antes ETH tenía un mayor peso en la cartera, pero con el paso del tiempo, le di más ponderación a sol. Quise sumar bnb, pero es de manera indirecta invertir en una empresa y su sistema de transferencias, así que mejor la dejé y continué poniendo de a puchitos en las 5 mencionadas. A estos 5 los elegí por el uso que se les dá, las funcionalidades que preveen que tendrán, la adopción institucional, el volumen de negociación y las expectativas a largo plazo que generan.

MinimalGravitas

You have just confused 'Ethereum' - the network, with 'ETH' (or 'ether') - which is the asset. Ethereum is still 'the world computer', it is being used by the biggest financial institutions in the world to tokenize assets ('RWAs') onto. Users include Blackrock - the largest asset manager; JP Morgan - the largest bank by market capitalization; UBS - the biggest wealth manager; Fidelity - the 3rd biggest asset manager, etc etc. As well as RWAs the network also carries more value in stablecoins than every other chain combined, and more value in DeFi than every other chain combined. Rollups have been built on-top of Ethereum by Sony, LG, Robinhood, Deutsche Bank, and almost every major exchange except Binance. Public goods projects include digital IDs in places like Buenos Aires and Bhutan; fundraising by traditional institutions like Unicef and crypto-native projects like Gitcoin. We could go on, but you get the idea... Ethereum the network is the world computer. ---------- 'ETH' though isn't a computer, it's an asset that can be used to buy computation on Ethereum. Lots of the recent upgrades to Ethereum have been designed to increase the network's capacity, through scaling the L1 and by reducing costs for L2s. This has meant that the supply of blockspace increased faster than the demand, meaning it got cheaper. As ETH is used to buy blockspace, this reduced demand for ETH the asset. Demand for blockspace has increased over this time however, and continues to do so. More gas (the measure of 'computation') is being used per second now than at any time before, a lot more than even at the peak of the NFT craze. But users aren't noticing because blockspace supply has increased so much too. At some point in the future the increasing demand will start pushing up against the increased limits again, but the longer that can be put off the better, as although it keeps the demand for ETH down, it also allows much more use/adoption... which is surely the point of a blockchain! As far as the 'store of value', in order to use the network you have to buy gas, and you can only buy gas with ETH. Demand for gas will increase and so demand for ETH will increase. This is the reason it's a better store value than BTC. Demand doesn't only come from the hope that there will always be a 'greater fool' to buy the coin and speculate on further increases... entities actually use it and so organic demand is up-only. Electric Capital wrote a decent report looking specifically at stablecoin adoption growth, but the principle is similar for other types of tokenization as well. https://electriccapital.substack.com/p/beyond-stablecoins-the-case-for-ethereum

GooodNiightaringding

The idea that there's only bitcoin and altcoins is just pure nonsense at this point. Including ETH in this case is especially ridiculous considering the Biden SEC basically said it wasn't a security, just like bitcoin. But the real problem is that it just exposes your complete lack of knowledge of the kinds of assets that exist out there. For example coins of defi protocols that earn a share of what the protocol makes don't really care what a US regulatory body says they are. They earn money and thus they will find buyers. To lump that into one category with memecoins that have no purpose whatsoever other than pump n dump just makes no sense. That's like saying stocks and hookers are the same thing.

hibikir_40k

Then you figured it out late. At the latest DAO fork should have already told you that code as never law. Or really, realizing how much ETH had been left to founders and investors, even earlier than that. It started as a plutocracy, just like Urbit.

birdman332

ETH died years ago

Rickard403

Lighter. That's probably it honestly. If the coins has been around a for a cycle, it is a big gamble on how well it will do. I get the BTC only or BTC and ETH only crowd, but i don't expect either of those to even 4x. A 3.5x return (and yes that's great) is realistic for those. I do however want to stick about 25% in a 5-10+x coin. I think Lighter can do that.

VendettaKarma

Crypto outside of ETH, BTC and SOL is fucking cooked. AI will eat it alive and drain the funds before long. Nothing to do with the “Trump crime family.” When shit continues to go south after 2028 and if AOC is on the ticket are you going to blame it on hookers, bartenders and blow? Tired of this Trump shit in every post. He’s cooked and might not even make 2028 as president.

No-Masterpiece2246

All you need is one ETH node that doesn't filter

No-Masterpiece2246

Maybe you're not aware of how intelligent Witalik is? Guy is a lifetime haxxor and he may look like an idiot, but he has a monster cock and can code better than AI in his sleep. ETH network is being used to move billions every day, it's not going away. ETH supply may be controlled by billionaires but the transactions cannot be censored and there are millions of active smart contracts on the chain. Thus it has value.

GammaDoppler1

Price went up with the staking update. 33 ETH is needed?

dutch_85

ETH’s long term value is tied to tokenization - that’s when, not if.

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Hitchie_Rawtin

Before he created Hex he podcasted about how he should create a scamcoin, then he created the flywheel that became Hex whereby people "donated" their ETH for him to dump and use to pump Hex. If newer victims didn't know about it I can't say or not, but he was very public before, during and after that he viewed it and deliberated on it as a scam but in his head if Ethereum isn't viewed as one then his shouldn't be either.

Itur_ad_Astra

Decentralization also matters. I've been in this space for ten years. Do you realize how many "ETH killers" I've seen? Hype is going to do great... until it gets hacked/the chain halts/gets targeted for investigations or whatever black swan is next.

Kubix

use a swapping service like thorswap/near and trade it for erc20 USDC and a bit of ETH for gas fees (if you need it). USDT has been banned in North American exchanges and replaced with USDC for at least a year now.

PuzzleheadedBell4057

Equally BTC, ETH, SOL, XRP, LINK, HYPE, ZEC, DOGE, TAO, NEAR.

Rude_Acanthaceae6584

Bitcoin is a store of value and has its place as the native currency of the internet. I own it but focus on alts that will be rails for the future of commerce (I think). So my bag is $ETH, $SOL, $TAO, $SUI, $VVV, $NEAR. Call me a shitcoiner but hey I like to experiment 🧪