ETH

oak1337

Let's go claim by claim here. >Permissioned True. Only Hedera Council members can operate a node (currently). They are on a "Path to Permissionless", but that comes with scale. As Hedera scales, more nodes/shards are required. Shards can be added as needed (linear/horizontal scaling). That's when permissionless comes into play. Leaderless means all nodes participate in every transaction. Can't just add nodes like a permissionless chain can (yet), or it will increase Time to Finality (TTF) to wait for gossip to all nodes. Conversely, with only 1 Block Leader at a time, it doesn't matter how many nodes you have. Only 1 node decides the order at a time. Permissionless =\= Decentralized That's why ETH has 13,000 nodes and a Nakamoto of 1, and Algorand has a 1400 nodes and a Nakamoto of 2. And BTC with a Nakamoto of 3. They're all spectators, your node is a paperweight, it's psuedo-decentralization. >centralized False. Centralized vs Decentralized has to do with **distributed "power" and "control".** For example, a single "block leader" that unilaterally has the "power and control" over transaction order, is centralized. "Leaderless" means all nodes participate equally in every transaction. All nodes are relatively equal. **Equal Node Consensus Power**. Each node has 1/39th "control" over the network. Guaranteed Decentralization as it scales (add more equal nodes/shards, Nakamoto increases). Hedera Council are up to 39 members, all with **1 equal vote on Governance** (equally distributed "power"). London School of Economics has the same vote as Google, IBM, Dell, Accenture, Hitachi, McLaren, FedEx, or any other Council member. Limited time duration of governance "control or power," with 3 year terms, maximum 2 consecutive, rotating. Governance consists of network updates, maintenance, Treasury allocations, etc. Hedera has ~87% coin distribution, so the **Treasury only "controls" ~13% of coins.** >They astroturf the hell out of Reddit and other social media. False. One of the top things Hedera gets slammed for by the community is zero marketing, zero advertising. >Buy assets with real public ownership over the protocol or company. HBAR is not a stock, it's a commodity, as ruled by the SEC and CFTC. >X link in profile for honest human takes and analytics. False. 500 followers and include unresearched and under informed opinions like this one.

RedKe

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I feel like this topic can't really be discussed on subreddits dedicated to a single coin properly but I am interested in what fellow HBAR holders think of other coins. I will need to research LINK tokenomics more but I thought even if fiat or other tokens are used for payment those are ultimately exchanged for LINK which increases demand. Algorand used to be one of my top choices but over time I have dropped my interest in it. Although it is great tech it seems to have a poorly organized foundation, and the founder (Silvio Micali) is creating another chain for institutions so seems to have given up on Algorand gaining widespread adoption. NEAR, ICP, SUI, and Aptos seem to have some interesting tech and I hold a little of them in case they take off some day, but I also keep mostly investing in Hedera. I just wish Hedera showed more institutional adoption progress like Stellar, Canton, and ETH seem to be getting.

oak1337

It's currently at 6 cents. If it does everything it intends to do, I think it's easily a multi-trillion dollar asset. Hedera with $1 trillion market cap is $20. But even if it only goes to $1, or $5, or $10... It's at 6 cents now. That's a 16x, 83x, or 166x on your investment. ETH is at ~$2000.... People are calling for a $10,000 ETH (I think that's wrong but we'll see). That would be a 5x on your investment. 🤷 HBAR has a far better asymmetric upside, IMO. NFA DYOR.

oak1337

No ... ETH cannot fairly order transactions.

RevolutionaryPlum389

ETH only. Ignore all the other poop coins. 69% market share in the most important categories. Enough said.

Calm_Situation_1131

Saylor will induce an extended BTC bear market because his company's debt and dividend liability will cause periodic BTC sales. The flywheel is now running in reverse. Also, the Clarity Act doesn't benefit BTC because BTC has no smart contracts and/or tokenized assets. The Clarity Act benefits BTC's rival, ETH.

mystcalone624

BTC and ETH I have been buying SOL and it's been great to me. I think Near Protocol will moon this time around.

Fortknightdad2231

What makes me hesitate is selling BTC or ETH after a weak period.. Even if the property itself is a good opportunity, should I wait a week?

yefuck

I sold a huge chunk of my ZEC position to afford my current house. But ZEC was pumped up at ATH’s it felt like the right time and low opportunity cost. Selling Bitcoin at $60,000 or ETH under $2,000. No way in hell …

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oak1337

It certainly does! Let's start easy. ETH cannot fairly order your transactions (MEV, Frontrunning, Sandwich Attacks). Users pay bribes to the King Block Leader in order to decide where their transaction gets ordered. Hedera has leaderless fair ordering. Fair for everyone! No one can decide the order of transactions. There's many more (scalability, decentralization, ABFT, fees, network stalls, etc) if you'd like me to continue.

kuroxxoruk

Yes. It’s like a volcano bubbling underneath for years before finally exploding. It’s being used to build the next global financial layer. It is 1998 internet right now for ETH.

GrandMasterFlushMush

My top three our BTC, XRP, and ETH

synthwave_man

+1 for ETH

Timely-Fig2030

ICP, TAO, AAVE, ETH are good picks. Look for blockchains with usecase and tech. Nothing beats the tech of Internet Computer Protocol (ICP). Bittensor (TAO) is also lit, especially mining through machine learning and supply cap of 21 mill. Never touch a memecoin.

xanokothe

Do we get ETH 2k today?

flapinux

BTC only until we get QE, then you could add some ETH, the rest of the Alt coin market's simply gambling money that needs monetary policy to give liquidity to make an Alt season happen. So if you allocate 10% or so to gamble with because it's 'fun", wait for a couple years...

TheCryptoJourno

Avoid alts like the plague, they’re done, dead, finito. BTC, maybe a small percentage in ETH

morty0x

ETH

LTP-N

In the days you've been moaning about ETH and saying it's inevitably going below 1500 and it's an !easy short", it's went from 1500 to, currently, 1931, in the space of a few days.

West_Veterinarian150

Heres my take. 30% BTC NOW, 25-30% ETH maybe when it drops to 1500 again later in the year. 7% LINK, 7% QNT, 5% TAO, 5% LTC, last 15-16% can go straight into some stock or maybe even TON coin they offer 17% apy on staking on tangem. Not bad if the price stays at 1.60 but tbh not all in on TON yet. But you could also add UNI, has big boys in there BlackRock

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Post is by: HamdyTheHammer and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1ux68ct/market_read_do_with_that_whatever_you_like/ **Read: A Tightly Coiled Spring.** Bitcoin ETF flows currently stand at **-$425M per day (-$493M over the past 5 days)**, pointing to continued institutional distribution. At the same time, **BTC exchange netflows are +1,068**, indicating that more coins are moving onto exchanges, increasing potential sell-side pressure. The **BTC options Put/Call Ratio is 1.66 (Buy/Sell: 1.75)**, reflecting a put-heavy market with net buying of downside protection. Meanwhile, the **term structure has steepened to -3.6**, making near-term implied volatility relatively cheap—a classic “calm before the storm” setup. Ethereum is showing a notable divergence: with a **netflow of -6,547 and call-heavy positioning**, ETH continues to be accumulated, acting as a counterpoint to Bitcoin. **Synthesis:** The market is currently compressed into a low-volatility range, pinned by dealer gamma while distribution and hedging demand continue to build beneath the surface. This is the classic setup that often precedes a volatility expansion: compressed implied volatility, a strong GEX pin, increasing put demand, and ongoing distribution. The hedged and suppressed side of the market remains to the downside. At the same time, this compression can resolve in either direction—the data does **not** provide an honest directional forecast. **Honest Take:** This is a **structural market read**, not a prediction. Positioning currently carries a modest bearish bias, but it is **not** a directional call. The key trigger remains the **GEX flip level at 63,000**. Above that level, dealer pinning is likely to continue suppressing volatility. Below it, the pin begins to unwind, market damping fades, and price movements can accelerate significantly. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

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patience is never wrong: heres my analysis, hope it can help you: **Read: A Tightly Coiled Spring.** Bitcoin ETF flows currently stand at **-$425M per day (-$493M over the past 5 days)**, pointing to continued institutional distribution. At the same time, **BTC exchange netflows are +1,068**, indicating that more coins are moving onto exchanges, increasing potential sell-side pressure. The **BTC options Put/Call Ratio is 1.66 (Buy/Sell: 1.75)**, reflecting a put-heavy market with net buying of downside protection. Meanwhile, the **term structure has steepened to -3.6**, making near-term implied volatility relatively cheap—a classic “calm before the storm” setup. Ethereum is showing a notable divergence: with a **netflow of -6,547 and call-heavy positioning**, ETH continues to be accumulated, acting as a counterpoint to Bitcoin. **Synthesis:** The market is currently compressed into a low-volatility range, pinned by dealer gamma while distribution and hedging demand continue to build beneath the surface. This is the classic setup that often precedes a volatility expansion: compressed implied volatility, a strong GEX pin, increasing put demand, and ongoing distribution. The hedged and suppressed side of the market remains to the downside. At the same time, this compression can resolve in either direction—the data does **not** provide an honest directional forecast. **Honest Take:** This is a **structural market read**, not a prediction. Positioning currently carries a modest bearish bias, but it is **not** a directional call. The key trigger remains the **GEX flip level at 63,000**. Above that level, dealer pinning is likely to continue suppressing volatility. Below it, the pin begins to unwind, market damping fades, and price movements can accelerate significantly.

HoldCtrlW

My ETH liquidation is at $2030 I think we will see a retest of $1500 first before going lower still

PrettyQuick

Keep half in BTC/ETH and maybe SOL. Put the rest in a all world ETF. Don't go gambling this money away now.

Fortknightdad2231

I'd keep most in BTC and ETH, put a smaller amount into a few alts, and diversify outside crypto too. I use nexo for earning on part of my holdings too, but try to diversify

Ir0nic

If you want crypto, buy ETH. If you ask why, just look at the ETH/BTC chart.

MotanulScotishFold

In my experience, BTC and ETH always performed better than a random Altcoin. It's just a gamble and you risk putting money into some that will not perform as expected and goes -99%. There are plenty of it that are dead. Ethereum last time I bought was at 1550 less than a month ago, now it's 1900. I know Ethereum almost touched 5000$ last time, why makes you think it will not? Bitcoin same, 120k For alts? some do, some don't.

MotanulScotishFold

Alts are a gamble. I wouldn't waste money on a gamble. Play safe go for BTC/ETH.

piggleii

One of the guys from Bankless dumped his ETH to buy ZEC.

piggleii

All eyes are on it for whatever reason. Many former ETH maxis dumped their ETH bags to go all in on ZEC. Personally, I think about as many people care about "privacy" as they do about "decentralization".

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rosalinaluma0909

I’m more of a scalper, trading around **40–60 trades a day**, so fees matter a lot to me. I actually think you’re looking at the right thing. Crypto fees are expensive compared to many traditional futures markets, and the tick value is much smaller than something like Nasdaq futures. That said, don’t look at fees alone. **Liquidity is just as important.** A cheaper exchange with poor liquidity can easily cost you more through spread and slippage. One thing I’d add is that spot and futures are different. In crypto, futures usually lead price discovery, while spot tends to follow. Futures fees are also generally more competitive than spot fees. Binance used to offer **0 maker fees on some USDC perpetuals** (I’m not sure if that promotion is still running—I haven’t traded much recently). For a maker-based strategy, that was a huge advantage because it gave your edge much more room to breathe. Taker fees, however, are still expensive. I remember calculating that on ETH perpetuals, using taker orders meant price had to move **around 160 ticks** just to overcome fees before there was any real profit. Otherwise, it often ended up as a scratch trade. That’s a huge cost if you’re trading frequently. **Fees don’t create an edge, but they can absolutely destroy one.**

ShittingOutPosts

I’m here for the idiots who will recommend ETH or SOL.

ConsciousSkyy

Robinhood chain made over $800k since July 1. That burned roughly $2,000 in ETH. Anyone saying ETH tokenomics are not completely broken is clueless.

arturas_rizen

Mog is one of the original OG ETH memes so yeah should be a leveraged ETH essentially.

Substantial-Suit-926

If you could stake your BTC, ETH, SOL, DOGE and get rewarded regardless of percent gain wouldn't you? Anything is better than nothing, surely

absurdcriminality

TVL is looking good, daily transactions, low gas fees.... There is so much to like about ETH here but the time horizon can be years or decades...

rkvinyl

El Mango Grande_ETH_Wallet47

HoldCtrlW

Fake pump on ETH. Still adding to my short.

LTP-N

Don't let u/HoldCtrlW see this. They post daily about how ETH is going sub $1500 and how it's such an easy short

Dangerous_Relief8971

Treasury companies buying $49M of ETH while retail loudly bridges away to escape 'extraction' — everyone in this market is escaping to somewhere. At this point half of crypto is the same money doing laps between narratives, and the other half is Tom Lee announcing it.

Choice_Potato_6279

$4000 ETH is incoming, you've been warned, buy now or regret suckers.

brucekeller

Good Ol' Bitmine Shareholder Dilution Technologies. Gotta give him credit for being able to make so much money from just buying ETH at horrible times but then holding a while.

Fit-Poet6736

just buy BTC and ETH and put it in a Nexo account, very simple to use and pays out daily interest on your holdings

Any_South_6437

I'm new to all of this and don't know your work, but you are clearly a well known figure in the space, and I believe that you truly have the best of intentions for bitcoin. I have great respect for you for having the patience to help me understand bitcoin better, even if there's not much for you to gain from doing so. with that said, I'm really not much the wiser after all of this, but I'll keep trying to educate myself more on the matter. you really are doing valuable work for bitcoin, but unfortunately, it feels like the other core supporters are actively trying to sabotage your hard work by pushing away people that ask any questions on any of these issues. I have been called an idiot, stupid, moron, and many other names throughout my research, all of who were core supporters. it does hurt a bit, because you start to believe it when you hear you have to hear it throughout the day. but I have learned something new today, and that is, that maybe it's not the money that matters in life. Fiat, silver, gold, bitcoin, ETH, XRP, pearls, diamonds, pokemon cards, maybe these are all just stupid games that we have been all made to believe that we have to play in order to preserve our wealth against inflation. maybe the answer lies elsewhere, and we have all been looking in the wrong place...

PleasantAd7956

worth noting these two assets aren't in the same legal bucket. the ETH goes into a separate stockpile that explicitly allows disposal, so that one selling isn't surprising. the BTC part is weirder though, there's a 2025 executive order that put seized bitcoin into a reserve specifically saying don't sell it, so this at least brushes up against that unless it's pure custody reshuffling. we've seen "just custody" claims not hold up before (jan samourai case ended up at zero balance shortly after), so guess we'll see if this one's different.

Timely-Fig2030

Make research about the major blockchains and then stick to your convictions. I think you hit a good time to enter. Never click on links in DM. Only buy on major CEXes and setup all safety measures. Never type in your secret passphrase on an interface. Stay away from all memecoins. The coming cycle will be driven by usecase and tech. Take a look at ICP, TAO, AAVE, etc. And it's always good to hold goats like ETH.

Acceptable_Clue_8529

Dude still got a $250k ETH target while the ratio is sitting at like 0.028

Peach_Lover_101

My "all time" is break even only due to selling MANA at the top (80x, my only real successful crypto trade). Should have sold everything back then. round tripped the rest of the pile twice like a retard. though if you held about half of your stash in ETH and BTC you shouldn't look as bad as that. The Coinbase bag is mostly dinosaurs: BTC, ETH, LINK, XRP, XLM, ADA, HBAR. Got more adventurous plays on Kraken and Coinbase wallet which honestly, I'm afraid to even look at.

XofHelix

Guggenheim already issued digital commercial paper on ETH (before Ripple bought it all only to reissue it on XRPL) https://app.rwa.xyz/assets/DCP

RevolutionaryPlum389

BS ETH bottom was 1,505 a few months ago. I never touched 1.4k

sc75_reddit

I call bs. The low on ETH over the last 2 months was $1505 on June 6 across all major exchanges.

Milcah_Ganderton

Tom Lee's been bullish since like 2015 though, so take it with a grain of salt. That said, if ETH actually breaks above that ratio it'd be a pretty solid signal that alts are finally getting their moment.

Excellent-Advice-948

Honest answer, and I'll disclose I'm on the CryptoUnity team so you can weight it — but we're a buy/hold app, not an Earn-on-altcoins platform, so we're genuinely not what you're after. Here's the real situation: Your three coins (XEC, ACT1, DGB) are the hard part. Finding a MiCA-licensed EU platform that lists all of them AND offers an Earn/staking program on them is close to impossible — the big licensed ones (Kraken, Coinbase, Bitpanda, Bitvavo) might list one or two, but Earn on obscure alts is rare. Bigger picture: Simple-Earn-style products are disappearing across the regulated EU space generally, not just at Binance. Under MiCA and the wider clampdown on retail yield/lending, "park random alts and earn interest" is exactly the category being pulled EU-wide. So you're not really hunting for "the next Binance Earn" — that product is shrinking for EU retail. Practical routes: - For the alts specifically: self-custody them in wallets that support them (DGB and eCash both have native wallets, and some coins have their own on-chain staking that doesn't need an exchange). Keeps them yours and sidesteps the exchange-Earn problem entirely. - If the yield was the whole point, consider converting the fun-money bags into a mainstream asset where regulated staking still exists (e.g. ETH staking on a licensed platform) and just hold the rest. On the VPN idea — don't. Using a VPN to keep using Binance after they've restricted your region breaks their ToS and tends to blow up right when you try to withdraw or pass KYC. Not worth risking access to your own funds. Withdraw to euros or move the coins out while withdrawals are still open — funds aren't gone, just don't leave them parked on a service that's winding down EU features.

Free_Range_Gamer

Since they are mentioned Eric Trump in the headline, let’s see what insight he has about ETH. > ETH is pumping hard! Great to see! > Crypto is the future…

__redruM

I started with SMH in 2024, and continued to buy through March of this year. I buy lower to medium risk and hold long term. Basic passive investing. There’s likely long term mileage on BTC and maybe ETH, but otherwise stay away from crypto, and learn about stock based ETFs. - /r/ETFs - /r/LETFs - /r/bogleheads

verysillyman

Eric Trump just posted about how ETH is ripping lol

Dmoan

Let’s not forget when Eric called the top by saying this “ In my opinion, it’s a great time to add ETH” 🤡

counterboy12

Flow created the ERC-721 standard and crashed ETH after that 😋 8 years later, ETH still hasn’t found a solution to its scalability issue 😋

everyoneisapotato

I don’t know how it works or what forces are behind it but this 4 year cycle is something else lol. This will be my 4th cycle and for the first 2 cycles i watched and played a little here and there. But in last cycle i planned it started DCAing when BTC was around 20-25k (low was 15k) and I sold most of my BTC and other crypto around 97-100k. This cycle i started again around 60k. I hope these cycles keep on playing and we can make some smart money. ETH performed real shit last cycle and I hope it breaks 5k this time. ✌🏻

Big-Finding2976

It's ETH and BTC that will fail.

counterboy12

If ETH doesn’t find a way to scale on its own, without the Layer 2 workarounds, it will drop further to the 400$ zone

Big-Finding2976

That's why Radix Hyperscale will succeed whilst these regarded blockchains fail. Asset-orientated human-readable transaction manifests that guarantee you'll receive what it says. Infinitely scalable and truly decentralised using cheap 4-core 16GB RAM nodes that anyone can run at home, making it the only L1 capable of handling the TPS that will be needed for global agentic AI traffic, without all the problems that come with splitting traffic onto L2s like ETH has to. You should look into it. https://www.radixdlt.com/learn/knowledge-base

Timely-Fig2030

BTC > ETH > ICP feels like the natural progress. People say it for the last 6 years and lots of people got burned in ICP, but i still believe Internet Computer is the logical next step. Bitcoin feels old and slow. If you add the lightning network to bitcoin, then bitcoin also has just 1 company behind it, which doesn't make it different from ETH or ICP. So it is what it is. In this case internet computer is far more advanced. Just because ETH and ICP had more reliable gains in the past, doesn't mean it has to be like that in the future.

noviwu97

That guy's life entirely depends on ETH doing well or he will be recorded in history as the biggest financial scammer, eveb bigger than Madoff and 5-6x bigger than FTX

arcrenciel

It is the same as stocks. You have the penny stocks, which most altcoins are. Buy these, and you either beoome insanely rich, or lose all your money. You usually just lose your money though haha. Then you have the blue chips, which is BTC/ETH. These are proclaimed dead every 4 years, but has always managed to come back stronger.

crawlpatterns

Calling ETH safe and adding 5x leverage is exactly how people learn how fast crypto can humble you

counterboy12

Go on, lecture us on how Bitcoin is a „storage of value“, completely ignoring the dependency on costly energy 😁 Go on, lecture us on how ETH is smart contract chain, completely ignoring the inefficiency like a monolithic chain architecture, which is horrible for scalability and speed 😁 Go on.

Internet_is_tough

You don't understand the basics, but I am not here to educate you. BTC and ETH do different things.

counterboy12

Layer 2s fragment liquidity, can censor/delay your transactions and have horrible UX. It was always regarded as a short term workaround, not the solution. ETH and its monolithic chain architecture is rotten from the core, only a multi node chain can fix this

counterboy12

ETH has a blocktime of 12 seconds and a finality of 12 minutes… it IS outdated. Also, nobody uses it at scale since it can’t scale. Everything is being flocked and fragmented over to shitty centralized Layer 2s.

Serenaded

\>Will quantum computing’s advancement make bitcoin obsolete? You can google this. The answer is yes. There is no fundamental way for something that lives on SHA256 to still be functional after quantum doomsday. And this is probably why ETH is breaking away from BTC, and elites are pivoting to ETH. Quantum doomsday is coming in the next 10 years, probably faster now that US gov is throwing trillions of dollars in funding into it.

Wide_Lock_Red

Or ETH.

Wide_Lock_Red

ETH was at 150-700 in 2020. BTC was way lower too. Things start looking bad if you bought in mid 2021 though or went for bad alt coins.

HoldCtrlW

There is a bug on finance it shows $1840 ETH?? Anyone else see that? How do we report it?

HoldCtrlW

Looks like $1800 was hard rejection for ETH looking for $1500 target short

Odd-Fun-1482

i'm not so sure about ETH these days.. maybe recover your cost basis, but growth past that? Doubtful. SOL/Polygon may have a better future for 'investment' purposes.

Odd-Fun-1482

Yeah if you are primarily BTC/ETH mix you'll be sitting in the -30% to -40% range

Excellent-Advice-948

The thing that breaks the "ETH isn't that swingy, so 5x long-term is fine" logic is how liquidation interacts with normal volatility. At 5x you get liquidated on roughly a \~20% move against you (a bit less after fees/funding). ETH having a 20–30% drawdown isn't a black-swan — it happens multiple times a year, even in bull markets. So the issue isn't whether ETH goes up long-term; it's that you'll almost certainly hit a normal dip that liquidates you before the long-term gain shows up. And liquidation is a one-way door — you don't get to "hold through it and wait for the recovery," which is the whole reason long-term spot investing works in the first place. That's the core mismatch: buy-and-hold survives drawdowns because you can just wait them out. Leverage takes away your ability to wait. Add the funding/interest that bleeds you every day you hold (others covered that), and a multi-year 5x hold is basically a bet that ETH never has a single normal-sized dip the whole time — which it will. If you want more long-term upside without the liquidation risk, that's just... buying more spot, or DCAing. Slower, but a random Tuesday can't wipe you out.

Nick700

And less than a year ago ETH dropped over 20% in a single day

mrjune2040

I just don’t know where you could have gotten the ‘ETH is outdated’ line from, other than an altcoin sub with an agenda. Because it’s just patently wrong, it’s literally the only smart contract protocol with a critical mass of uptake and last time I looked Ethereum and it’s L2’s accounted for the vast majority of all TVL and (real) transaction volume, plus EVM is what most banks and institutions are using to build their private blockchains on, plus the web3 Neo banks too. But broader advice, 99% of tokens outside of BTC will fail- so your current allocation is probably already too broad if you’re risk averse.

RoaringDragonSword

Cringe. You have yet to learn that very few make money on altcoins long-term. They can get lucky first trades. That will never lead them to investing into safer assets like BTC and ETH. Instead what they do is gambling their winnings and lose it. Do you know what you call these people? Gambling idiots. Granted, investing in BTC and ETH to some is already considered gambling.

NonVideBunt

Exactly.. crypto is just a casino and a scam, BTC and ETH included.

Crypto-Bets

Consolidation is the phrase you’re looking for. Dollars are the dominate form of crypto, usually spent on Tron, Binance, or ETH. Mass. Widespread crypto adoption is imminent, but looks incredibly boring. Nobody needs a “cheaper; more efficient Bitcoin” when we have stable-coins. & the wide-spread use of a blockchain software does not necessarily increase its token value. EX) Tron being the dominate USD payrail in many countries.

packet

You think BTC has no use and ETH is outdated? What in the world are you basing this on? Even btc and eth are highly speculative long term investments and have no place as a primary investment vehicle for retirement. Buy a total market index fund of equities and mix in some crypto (like 5%) if you like but total market index fund is the only correct answer for the base of retirement savings.

itsjawdan

For retirement the only logical choice is bitcoin. And I say that as an ETH maxi. So far it’s the only crypto to have stood a considerable test of time.

mrjune2040

‘ETH being outdated’ wtf, it’s literally the only smart contract protocol that anyone is using at scale.

MythicMango

Even if you swap for BTC and ETH what would you do with those in retirement? 

Working_Series2226

Coinbase. Never had any problems with them, ever. And support is good. Trading fees are slightly higher though. But I use it mainly for EUR > crypto. Then afterwards I use Uniswap to trade between ETH and ERC20 tokens

charvo

Most of the time, ETH longs pay 0.01% every 8 hours to shorts. This is around 10.2% annuallized. If you are going to be using leverage at 5x with this funding rate, you better be a good market timer.

Tasty-Finding4574

Right? ETH is really stable, only lost a bit over 40% over the last six months. Makes you really wonder why not more people use leverage.

Longjumping-Pop7512

Also many newbies miss it but you will get liquidated with only 12% movement against your bet in most exchanges with 5x. 12% crypto fluctuations is a drop in the ocean even with BTC and ETH. 

jamesmontanaHD

past six months ETH down 41%. if you leveraged 5x you'd literally have nothing

mtgox-fraud

Everyone's fixated on the $14.2M. They moved stolen SOL into ETH and skipped stablecoins entirely. Someone cashing to USDC wants out that day. Someone sitting in ETH is willing to hold a year. That's patience, and patience is what makes recovery unlikely. 181K SOL left in one clean transfer. No approval-farming, no drained allowances, no dust. On-chain it looks identical to the owner just sending his own funds, which means whoever did this had the private key or a signing path straight to it. I made money in the early exchange days and mostly remember watching people lose theirs to a single point of failure they never knew they had. One key, one machine, one bad day.

Fun_Pomegranate_8139

ETH ADDY: 0xdE065e4AD0B1D1F01c1af1Ce29140Dd416C0BE6e

Scared-Metal9294

Why would I stake my cryptocurrency for yield at 2.83% (ETH) when the current 10 yr treasury is at 4.53% and is safer and more stable. Investing in crypto is stupid. It’s a fancy digital Ponzi scheme

HoldCtrlW

ETH won't hit $180 lmao. It's hard rejection

LTP-N

Remember when you said ETH was going under $1500, it immediately same day jumped to $1700 and is now ~$1800

ElderMight

Ouch. How much are you down in ETH/BTC?