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Post is by: Fortknightdad2231 and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1wz4amo/i_think_doing_less_has_genuinely_become_my_best/ A friend asked me the other day what I was doing with BTC after another week of everyone arguing over whether the move was real or just another fakeout. The funny thing is I didn’t really have an answer. A couple years ago I would’ve immediately had some plan. Buy here, sell there, rotate into ETH, watch dominance, wait for a specific level. Now I can spend half an hour looking at charts, read three completely opposite takes on the same macro data, and then just close everything without touching a position. That would’ve driven me insane before. My setup has also become weirdly separated over time. BTC I don’t plan on touching is kept away from anything I actively use. I have another place for the occasional trade, another one I mostly check for pricing and liquidity, and another that I use for the lending and credit side of things. Then I still keep normal cash completely outside all of it. What actually got me thinking about this was the same friend showing me his investment account afterwards. He barely follows crypto. He checks prices occasionally, owns some BTC, buys boring traditional stuff and probably spends one tenth of the time thinking about markets that I do. Meanwhile I’ve spent this year watching people flip from “cycle is over” to “we’re back” and then back again within weeks. One inflation print changes the mood. Then rates become the story. Then the dollar. Then some geopolitical headline hits and suddenly everyone has a new explanation for the same chart. At some point I think I confused being constantly informed with actually having an edge. The biggest change for me has probably been that I don’t feel like every piece of news requires a trade anymore. Most of what I do now is just making sure one bad decision can’t mess up everything else. Maybe that’s just what a few years in crypto does to you... *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

MinimalGravitas

> Soon, the only people who will bother to stake it and support it will be those who don't care if the yield is 0.01%, Grayscale, Coinbase, Binance etc. all the cartel. Home staker here, I believe long term Ethereum is going to form the basis of the future financial system and so I want to hold my ETH. I run a validating node in my living room as a way to hold that ETH somewhat productively, it has negligible running costs, requires probably less than 8h of effort a year to maintain, and occasionally provides the satisfaction of building a block that will be forever recorded in Ethereum's history. There is also the fun of realizing that occasionally part of the reward is coming from the biggest tradfi institutions in the world paying me transaction fees to use infrastructure that sits on my shelf, quite a cool if ineffable feeling. The financial relevance of staking rewards is never going to be significant compared to the appreciation of the asset price, so as long as rewards don't go negative I'll have no reason to stop validating.

MinimalGravitas

> Tom controls a LOT of validators and thus can be coerced into not allowing ETH transactions from a blacklist. At the height of the Tornado Cash drama a couple of years ago when they were added to the OFAC sanction list about 80% of all validators were censoring transactions using Tornado's smart contracts... but all that means is that TC transaction took on average 5 blocks to be included onchain. Ethereum blocks/slots are 12 seconds so 5 blocks meant 60 seconds to get a transaction through when 80% of all validators were censoring. No one would notice if Tom Lee's ~5% of validators tried blocking anything, it would mean a 1/20 chance of having to wait an extra 12 seconds... > Witness the 2 week waiting line to unstake from Metamask. Literally nothing to do with validators censoring or anything remotely relevant to your point. > A small miner is surely much easier to build than a small ETH validator, Last I checked you're getting into the millions to setup an ETH validator. A fully solo Ethereum validator requires 32 ETH to be staked. For that to cost ***"into the millions"*** the price of ETH would need to have been $31,250 ($1,000,000 / 32). Hardware costs are negligible, my validator cost me just under $400. Admittedly that was long before the price of RAM increased, so maybe say $600 today? Add the price of 32 ETH and that's about $87k for a full solo validator, building your own blocks as you see fit. You pointed out that for someone to mine Bitcoin they effectively need to be part of a pool, so not building their own blocks, just adding whatever transactions the pool operator decides. If we want a fair comparison then lets consider an Ethereum validator that can be part of a 'pool'. Rocketpool allows the operation of 'minipools', where the person running the validator contributes 8 ETH of their own and the other 24 ETH comes from a 'pool' of ETH from rETH LST holders. You still get to decide the transaction inclusion rules and build the block yourself, but now the cost to set up is down to about $22k. Then there is 'Distributed Validator Technology', through systems like Obal or Lido's DVT. There a group of operators all run nodes that a validator with the required 32 ETH is split between. In effect you are running a pool across the group, typically with about 10 operators contributing about 3.2 ETH each, so about $9k including hardware. If you 'checked' and found it cost ***"into the millions to setup an ETH validator"*** then I'm going to conclude that you are not very reliable at checking things! > A small miner is surely much easier to build Why don't you check how much it would cost you to set up a profitable Bitcoin miner at home. Then come back and share what you have found?

No-Masterpiece2246

OK I learned high school algebra so maybe I can debate someone of your high intellect. But I don't see any actual math in your comments? Maybe you can use your magic algebra to explain to me how much it costs to run an ETH validator node versus running a Bitcoin node and an ASIC miner? Hint: ETH validator is 1000x the BTC miner/node. WHERE coins are mined is irrelevant, who cares about oil and gas? The criminal and legal jurisdiction is far more important, as miners will always seek to avoid theft and government confiscation. Finally: supply concentration happens from billionaires BUYING it up. Mining and staking aren't the paths to massive acquisitions, they're the methods for being involved in enforcing consensus on the networks. Mining and staking are long plays while buying and selling are more short term.

No-Masterpiece2246

So, use a pool! duh You're staking with a trusted 3rd party anyway. Running an ETH validator is 100x harder than running a BTC or BCH node.

No-Masterpiece2246

Disagree. First off, somebody who wants to control a large swath of any coin's supply can just BUY IT. So the huge ETH stakers are hedge funds like Tom Lee's Fundstrat. Tom controls a LOT of validators and thus can be coerced into not allowing ETH transactions from a blacklist. This wouldn't kill the ETH blockchain but would cause problems. Witness the 2 week waiting line to unstake from Metamask. BTC supply is of course controlled by corporations like MSTR as well. But anyone can still mine a small amount using one of 7 big public pools. Certainly not ideal but they're making a contribution to the network's decentralized consensus, A small miner is surely much easier to build than a small ETH validator, Last I checked you're getting into the millions to setup an ETH validator.

Severe-Weekend-6664

the criteria are solid but "market sentiment & narrative" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here, that factor alone can move a coin two tiers in a cycle. curious what made you bump ETH to B+ after the fact, was it a tokenomics thing or just the BTC pair chart looking less rough.

crimeo

ETH right this minute has half the price of BTC

Feriman22

I’d watch BTC more than SOL itself here. My publicly available rule-based system only tracks BTC/ETH/BNB, but regime usually matters more than guessing one exact SOL level.

crimeo

No it never was. It started out 99.9% centralized when Satoshi was just mining by himself before anyone knew about it, which is functionally just a pre-mine. And then it gradually got less until now, where it's currently still more centralized than ETH

crimeo

Uh no, lol, it's precisely the opposite. * Proof of work is more efficient in certain geographical locations with cheap energy (lots of oil wells, hydro fjords, etc). That directly pushes miners more and more toward only certain geographic locations as profit margins slim over time (natural for any industry, but also due to halvings) * Proof of stake is exactly uniformly efficient worldwide so has no such huge centralization push. And otherwise has no other centralization push either. Wealth does NOT concentrate by merely staking. If number of coins overall doubles, and you personally were staking 1% of all ETH, then... you're still stakigng 1% of all ETH. Because both the numerator and the denominator doubled (your amount / total world amount, both doubled). So your ratio of wealth doesn't change. Learn high school algebra.

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Cassiopee38

Yeah i heard about that 1 ETH. Indeed it's not close. And i went to the "not your key, not your crypto" path so pools don't comply with what i believe is sanity regarding holding crypto long term

Main_Elevator3837

You dont need to do a lot of research it's simple. Bet on compliance and institutional readiness. Its a long road because institutions move at a snails pace. ETH, ARB, XRP, XLM, HBAR, QUANT, ALGORAND, SOL, AVAX... Where ever you see the biggest corporations and institutional partnerships putting their weight is where the train is headed. Much the the chagrin of Reddit you dont need to understand the tech, just follow the money and the ones actively working to be compliant. It will take a few years.

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Post is by: Gold-Dog5999 and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1wycf0t/analyzing_multitoken_dividend_yield_models_how/ Hey everyone, I’ve been looking into different tokenomics models that distribute real yield from platform revenue rather than relying on inflationary token emissions. One example I came across is BFG, the native token associated with BetFury. According to the project, a portion of platform revenue is distributed to BFG stakers in assets such as BTC, ETH, BNB and USDT. From a tokenomics perspective, I find the model interesting because it creates a different risk and reward structure compared with traditional DeFi staking. Non inflationary yield: The rewards are tied to platform activity rather than newly minted tokens that increase the overall supply. Multi asset rewards: Stakers can receive major crypto assets instead of receiving only the native token, which creates a different exposure profile. Locking versus liquidity: There is also an interesting tradeoff between locking BFG for higher potential rewards and maintaining liquidity during periods of high market volatility. I’m interested in hearing how people here evaluate this type of model purely from a tokenomics perspective. Do you prefer yield models based on platform revenue sharing or traditional proof of stake rewards? How sustainable do you think revenue based tokenomics are during extended bear markets? And what factors would you look at when deciding whether a platform backed yield model is sustainable over the long term? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

ItsAConspiracy

A decentralized pool. They're hoping to reduce the minimum stake to 1 ETH but that will take some scaling improvements.

epic_trader

What does it cost to send ETH on L1, do you know? Last time I checked it was $0.007 and takes an average of 6 seconds.

Cassiopee38

They took away the decentralisation part of the project with the insane amount of ETH you need to stake to run a validator. It's WAY above folk's paygrade and only early miners and rich folks can afford to run a validator. Agreed that it makes transaction faster, needing less validators but, yeah, no more decentralization as their was with gpu mining (which wasn't a good solution either, agreed)

No-Masterpiece2246

Yes but ETH uses proof of stake, which invites concentration of wealth, leading to centralization.

jawni

1. Upside is relatively limited for Ethereum. 2. Of course ETH leads in TVL and stablecoin supply, but the relative market share has not been growing over the last 4 years or so. Basically ETH went from 100% in 2020 and prior, to ~50% in mid 2022 and it continues to hover around 50-60%. It is retaining its share, but seeing as the growth is far more helpful for smaller chains, I see this is as a threat to ETH. 3. ETH is having identity/narrative struggles, L2s were the plan for scaling, now they're scaling the L1 and we're at the point when we don't hear about new L2s launching, we hear about older L2s dying. Not to mention the economic alignment is kinda borked. 4. ETH's position as the clear leader in smart contracts has never been more challenged than it is now and basically that lead has been perpetually shrinking since Solana launched. 5. The biggest tradfi institutions are launching on many different networks, not just Ethereum. 6. Sentiment and mindshare around the ETH has probably never been lower (sentiment probably bottomed recently), I rarely see people bullpost ETH or talk about using things on the L1, this is anecdotal but as a decade long ETH holder, I feel like I've got a decent feel for it. ETH has always been my biggest bag or second biggest bag, but it's not a coin I'm too hyped on holding right now.

MinimalGravitas

> on-chain metrics & liquidity You put ETH in category C... * There is more value in Stablecoins on Ethereum than on every other chain combined, even if you count Ethereum's rollups (Arbitrum, Base, Optimism etc) as part of the 'Other Chains' category: https://visaonchainanalytics.com/supply * There is more value in DeFi on Ethereum than on every other chain combined, even if you count Ethereum's rollups (Arbitrum, Base, Optimism etc) as part of the 'Other Chains' category: https://defillama.com/chains > market sentiment & narrative * Blackrock, the biggest asset manager in the world has built multiple projects tokenizing traditional financial assets on Ethereum: https://ethereumadoption.com/built-on-ethereum?view=byEntity#entity-blackrock * UBS, the biggest wealth manager in the world has built multiple projects tokenizing traditional financial assets on Ethereum: https://ethereumadoption.com/built-on-ethereum?view=byEntity#entity-ubs * JP Morgan, the biggest bank in the world by market capitalization has built multiple projects tokenizing traditional financial assets on Ethereum: https://ethereumadoption.com/built-on-ethereum?view=byEntity#entity-jpmorgan * Fidelity, the 3rd biggest asset manager in the world has built multiple projects tokenizing traditional financial assets on Ethereum: https://ethereumadoption.com/built-on-ethereum?view=byEntity#entity-fidelity What narrative do you think other projects have that is more convincing than literally the biggest financial institutions in existence choosing to deploy there?

Itslittlealexhorn

Ethereum doesn't even need L2s to be successful. It's an incredible offer if you think about it. You get the massive security of ETH, arguably the best in all of crypto with the possible exception of BTC, without having to think about any of the complicated aspects of blockchain management, decentralization, validator clients etc. and all it costs you is a very moderate fee, several orders of magnitude below the cost of an L1. Ethereum is fine with that offer just being out there. Whether base or robinhood succeed doesn't really matter, that's their problem. In the future we won't even talk about L2s being on Ethereum, where else would they be? It's the only game in town and it'll be basic infrastructure.

chainglance_cm

Alt season didn't die, it got split 100 million ways. In 2021, new money had a few thousand coins to go into. Now every rally gets spread across thousands of new memecoins launched the same week, so no single coin gets much of it. ETFs changed things too. A lot of people who'd have bought BTC, then ETH, then moved into smaller coins now just buy a Bitcoin or Ethereum fund through their broker and stop there. That money never reaches the rest of the market. My guess is the next one looks more like stock picking. Coins with actual revenue that use it to buy back their own token will probably do well, and most of the rest won't. Fewer coins going up, but the ones that do have a real reason to.

Southern_Key_6969

I'm actually more qualified to talk about this than most redditors.I'm employed with a cyber-techno machinations company, I do a lot of security analyst programming type work. Open source, decentralized, APIs, partnerships, you name it. We'd be one of the first companies in line for something like Chainlink, if the decentralized smart contract space had more value over traditional data exchanges. There's a catch though, an underlying flaw more deeply embedded in the bedrock of LINK than the very code itself. The flaw is with the concept, and it's this: Companies won't actually go through the hassle of trusting their data API's through crypto. Now I can already hear your keyboards going frantic, but hear me out. /r/cryptocurrency hates banks, and traditional data providers. But actual companies, businesses, and investors do not. There's an old saying you might have heard of: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!". The idea that any of our bosses would give us the go ahead if we approached them to put our companies valuable data in a smart contract on a cryptocurrency called Chainlink, that they've never heard of, we'd be laughed out at best and fired on the spot at worst. We already have API data buyers and providers we trust. 'But Chainlink is trustless!' I hear you cry, but is that really a good thing? Just listen to the sound of it. Businesses don't want to spend millions of dollars on something that is trustLESS, they want something trustFUL. 'But the reputation system!', doesn't that defeat the whole point of your coin? If companies only trust nodes with high reputation, what's the difference between trusting banks and data providers that already have reputation, but in real life not on a computer screen. The fact is, LINK is going to share the same fate as ETH will. A lot of 'real world application' hype, with a lot of 'crypto world application' reality. Only, this billion supply coin isn't going to come close to the $1k that Etherum hit.

Ninjanoel

The native token of blast is ETH. I think you don't understand the question.

Nikky-B-

Probably if Trump promise everyone 5k ETH if you vote for him…😆

raj6126

ETh don’t have to use the latest and greatest. The computing issue for ETH has already been solved. It a decentralized structure where AI is centralized to one or two data centers. Instead of having a datacenter Indiana. It’s all over the world. Our computing problems have already been solved. Going decentralized you have to spread the wealth. People up top don’t like that idea

tomsawyer222

Holy crap, all those old projects are dying off and if you said this a few months ago, massive downvotes, but what will be left? BTC and ETH. Vechain still my biggest mistake but not because it's half dead if not dead, but I didn't sell at the top and panic sold it just before on pandemic day dive.

maxis2bored

BTC ETH LINK These 3 can literally do it all, and they have the market cap and history to weather a storm

QuaternionsRoll

What ever happened to EOS? It surpassed the market cap of ETH (I think… it was at least in the top 5 or 10) and then I stopped paying attention to crypto for like 7 years

Feriman22

Right now my rule-based regime tracker still has BTC, ETH and BNB in a sideways regime. I’d rather wait for an actual regime shift than assume a rally from a calendar pattern alone.

SpontaneousDream

HYPE's total cap is \~$90B vs. ETH's $300B. Let that sink in. Facts: * Last month, ETH burned about $5.7M, yet its total supply GREW by about $235M due to new staking issuance because of its infinite supply. * Last month, HYPE burned $55M worth of tokens, which was removed from total supply due to a hard cap of 1B total HYPE tokens. ETH burn yesterday was literally $60k USD. New issuance was $8.1M USD. * On average, Hyperliquid consistently makes about $2M per DAY, 99% of which is programatically bought back and burned by the protocol. HYPE is up over 200% vs ETH this year alone. It will eventually flip ETH, mark my words. Like, why the fuck is anyone actually holding ETH at this point? Honestly.

aminok

Inevitably, distributed currencies will replace government-issued currencies because they are institutionally more stable and reliable. So this would just accelerate the process by which ETH becomes a global reserve currency.

thepickletony

SOL and LINK would probably be my strongest holds from that list. I like SUI and PYTH too, but I'd personally add some BTC/ETH as the boring core and maybe ONDO for RWA exposure. I'd probably trim CRO before adding another L1 since you're already pretty heavy there. Category-wise I'm watching RWA, oracles/data and AI/compute the most. I keep most of this kind of mixed bag in Tangem too, mainly because once you're holding across this many ecosystems having it in one place becomes pretty useful. Also 90% guarantee is brave 😂 nothing in crypto gets that percentage from me.

SirBrickALott

a crypto that takes no accountability for selling to insiders and rugging its community...and then tries to frame FTX as if the logic of blaming an outside entity for your own corruption....that's not a good crypto to begin with. If Ethereum allowed FTX to manipulate it using perp futures, then ETH would be a failed coin. But that only happens with ICP because ICP is a VC scam.

Feriman22

My rule-based ETH strategy just closed another profitable trade in this move, so I’m back to waiting. I’d rather let the regime and exit rules decide than try to guess the next 5–10%.

ds3101

If you’re interested in altcoins at all, there’s still plenty that haven’t broken out yet. I think we’ll get a proper alt rally this cycle - ETH.D near range lows, BTC.D near highs. If you’re a BTC only guy, the breakout usually retests the range highs from the bottom and that would be (historically) the time to scoop a little. Each cycle is different though

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Post is by: drykilo and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1ww0pod/i_generated_hundreds_of_crypto_trading_strategies/ I built a validation pipeline that runs strategies through 7 stages on real Binance data: Stage 1: code safety scan, in-sample, out-of-sample, walk-forward, randomized starts, slippage stress and Stage 7: final holdout slice nothing else touches. 6 months of 5 minute candles per run on BTC/ETH/SOL domains (ran on my weak laptop so going past 6 months would take a few extra days, I'll do a VM run next with more data). Then I made a generator with several ideas and let it auto create and run the gauntlet on them (In retrospect might have been inefficient. I should have fed previously passed strategies back in to guide generation but I was a bit paranoid about correlation and spawning 416 clones). It took me a few days to run and the repo is almost everything that came out: 406 rejects plus 10 survivors, each with a report card showing in-sample and OOS returns, Sharpe, drawdown, trade count, the exact stage it died on and why. [github.com/CacheCarti/Crypto-Strategies](http://github.com/CacheCarti/Crypto-Strategies) **The interesting stuff I found:** * The single best-looking backtest in the batch `pctb_fade_sol_v3`, **+2014bps in-sample!!! :O went -112bps** the moment it ran on unseen data. * Literal astrology meme bots I created for fun got decently high returns in backtests but obviously failed in validation. Backtests have a big element of luck because of the smaller time frame! Unreliable!! (Please do not consider the report cards showing a strategy with high PnL as a "good" strategy. I might have been luck) * Out of all the strategies, **only one showed an in-sample Sharpe above 1.5**. But it failed validation anyway. If you're searching for the perfect backtest in this dataset it basically doesn't exist. * 25 strategies were profitable out-of-sample and STILL got rejected. They couldn't survive walk-forward and injected slippage. Green OOS numbers by itself is just most probably luck until proven otherwise, but they definitely might be a good place to fork and improve on in the future! * Weirdest result: some of the 10 survivors have **negative OOS returns.** They passed because they held up under perturbation and randomized starts. * The family that dominated was kinda bizzare: `asia_drift_btc` BTC drifts during Asian session hours, **7/9 of these variants passed!** Meanwhile the families everyone actually trades went **0/9** across the board: Donchian breakouts, bollinger squeezes, RSI reversion, orderbook imbalance. Context beat TA, so is TA dead??? Lol, my generator was probably bad at writing them, someone smart could actually build a good template for TA strategies. * Every BTC scalping variant failed: 0/18. At \~7bps a side in fees, the edge you need on 5-minute bars is brutal. Anything thinner cannot survive. It might have been my own 5 minute time windows of evaluation though. The code is plain Python on a simple predict-style contract, so they can drop into most backtesters. Most of the rejects failed on robustness rather than logic, so they're actually decent starting points if you want to improve them. Happy to answer questions on the methodology. If anyone improves the strategies and gets different results I'd love to see it! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

Demonyx12

If I said it once I've said it a thousand times: 1. DCA & HODL for dear life 2. BTC 85%; ETH 10%; OTHER 5% (My other is SOL)

Peturio

A little late, but hopefully still useful: ran your positions our portfolio risk analysis tool at [Sentralis.io](https://sentralis.io), the portfolio risk analysis I'm building, with no price trend assumed. In a one-year 25k path Monte-Carlo simulation on the past year's volatility and correlations, the worst 5% of outcomes lose 57% or more, and the median path passes through a 45% drawdown. About one path in six ends the year below the 1100.- paid. One path in seven doubles and one in eighteen for the same money in BTC alone. BTC is 35% of the money but only 25% of the risk. PENDLE, AAVE and HYPE are 34% of the money and 43% of the risk, because they run at 85% to 102% annual volatility against 44% for BTC. HYPE is still your best diversifier, with a correlation of about 0.5 to the other five coins, while BTC, ETH and SOL move together at 0.87 to 0.91. For your sell ladders, the same data puts monthly volatility at about 13% for BTC, 17% for ETH, 19% for SOL, 25% for AAVE, 28% for HYPE and 29% for PENDLE. All figures are model estimates, not predictions

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ClerkPrestigious7395

I've been in the space for a brief minute (bought ETH when it first hit $40) and I tend to agree. BTC was first mined in January 2009. If the technology hasn't been put to practical, everyday use in 18 years then when will it be? To me, cryptocurrency is a solution searching for a problem. Yes, a foreign bank might be running a testnet, or an investment bank might be running an obscure side project. But there hasn't been any mainstream takeover by crypto in any meaningful way that I'm aware of. In Canada, and Europe the banks already reconcile almost instantly. All of the banks in Canada have been using a system called Interac for decades. If you want to send or receive money you open your banking app and send/request an e-transfer to the person's mobile # or email address. The money is deposited nearly instantaneously. I wouldn't be surprised if the banks in Asian countries and elsewhere have something similar. That is to say that we don't need 3rd party apps like Venmo, or cryptocurrency to accomplish what's already working I've been rugged too many times *following the narrative^TM* and got out of spot trading crypto six years ago. I only trade leveraged futures now, and only in crypto because the volatility is fantastic. I will concede BTC as digital gold and give it the credit that it deserves. Maybe a few others, such as Zcash, etc. I have been accumulating BTC not to trade but for its stored value. I do love the space, but have gotten away from following any projects because any hype seems to just be a circlejerk for others in the crypto space.

LargeSnorlax

I'm not really sure what OP is talking about. Blockchain is being used *at scale* by the biggest businesses in the world. Banks love blockchain because it makes a permissionless private database for them where they can track and see everything. Europe is ripping towards the digital Euro, our biggest banks are going hog wild [into tokenized deposits](https://financialpost.com/fp-finance/banking/canadas-big-six-banks-explore-digital-deposits), JP Morgan has literally had trillions on rails for years [with their chain](https://www.jpmorgan.com/kinexys/jpm-coin). The thing is, people think "Cryptocurrency", a vague term for "a token some dude(s) made up out of thin air) is going to be the thing being adopted. Bad news. Outside of *maybe* Bitcoin and *tangentially* ETH, everything in the "Cryptocurrency" space is just wild speculation. Banks and big businesses have zero interest in something someone else made or an asset someone else controls or manages. Blockchain is a system which is having guardrails built around it. On chain tracking and verification has increased by 20 fold the last 10 years or so. DEXes have exploded, along with tokenized stocks and similar things. There is a tangible interest in *certain* decentralized things. The problem is mainly that people (like OP) equate "Cryptocurrency" with "Blockchain". Big banks and businesses want blockchain, and there is absolutely no reason a blockchain **has to be public**. People think that way because of Bitcoin and the stuff in this space, but literally no government wants their dirty laundry in public. Banks, big businesses and government want permissioned blockchains to control the flow, establish surveillance of, and utterly control finances with no alternative. They literally chomp at the bit to do this, DROOL at doing this. A system where you can see where everything is in a moment? That can settle any time of day in milliseconds? That can track person A to person B or person C, D and E instantly? Doesn't sound like a great future though, does it? Well, that's where we're heading. Bitcoin sound like a better proposition yet?

AeonPeter

It’s the Saylor of ETH. I wonder does he know actually that bitcoin unlike ETH is scarce and limited?! Lol

Fine-Comparison-2949

Came here to say this. I was heavy in ETH during the covid run up from $90 to $2500. Great times but now the entire crypto space is pretty boring. Everyone knows what crypto is but ETH is in a weird position since the rollups mean the need for ETH is getting lower and lower. You need maybe $5 of ETH ever probably for the rest of your life if you want to use ETH. It's good for society but not necessary to hold and trade.

MarioWilson122

Anything is possible, but that seems pretty unlikely to me, especially since ETH couldn't even get back to $4,000 during last year's bull run. I wouldn't rule it out completely, but it would need a pretty strong move from here to get there before the end of 2026.

jawni

Let me get this straight, this is a bullpost about Monad using a chart in which Monad has literally a 0% market share? But because multiple chains have 0% you phrase it as "I suddenly discovered Monad ranking only 2 down from ETH and 1 down from Arbitrum, the fact that they even rank this early is huge!"? This is embarrassing, even by the very low standards of this subreddit.

polyamerica

These are the speculative bags. Most in BTC and ETH.

REW1931

Yup. I am thinking of dumping all ETH for BTC. I already dumped half earlier today. Looking at price charts, BTC is the vastly superior investment.

hoppeeness

I don’t think BTC, ETH will pump that much even through EOY but I think SOL and smaller utility alts will in a few weeks and continue through EOY. Not to say BTC, ETH won’t but it will be the lower side of all expectations…I think others will be mid to high expectations

Onemoretimego1

Is it just me or is ETH losing ground in the RWA space? I expected their share to be a bit higher at least.

CheetahLoose7514

Pretty solid list, but there's no BTC or ETH in there at all. Alts tend to move together, so if the market pulls back they'll probably all drop at the same time. I'd keep some kind of base in BTC or ETH and let the alts be the fun part.

Victorio_01

Lapsecoin: fun new project. Just stacking. I’ve stacked quite a few of little ones actually. Some listed, some not. But I need a much larger amount of belief to actually buy. Some I’ve bought: BTC, XLM, ETH, SOL

MediocreAnalyst2121

There’s definitely greed involved, but you can’t dent that some projects offer something that Bitcoin does not. Bitcoin doesn’t offer proper smart-contracts, not saying that it should but it’s a useful feature so another project offering that is good Imo. Same goes for speed and privacy. Ideally it would all be in a single blockchain, but (regardless of greed) ideological and practical differences mean we’re at least going to get a few different chains that address these points. The fact that we have tens of thousands, with most being copy-pastes of the code or just ETH token contracts is entirely a greed thing.

TheKrazyJuice

You bought ETH at $380?

Suspicious-Can-7079

Technically but it's also burns ETH as it's used. Its had less inflation then btc for awhile. Think the inflation rate is under 2% currently and can theoretically become deflationary

Kiiaru

Microstrategy but for ETH

wraithoffaith

Spring to Summer of last year was ETH season

Rude_Acanthaceae6584

$TAO, $VVV, $NEAR, $SUI, $SOL dca and holding my ETH NFTs. Ai trade is my strategy for the next few months.

tourbladez

I just sitting on BTC, ETH, HYPE, and TAO. Doing a little DCAing into BTC....

Ok_Golf_6467

I see it going to a 100 billion market cap. Tokenizing fast, and investors are looking for the next ETH. Avax, solana, and hyperlinked are all looking gooood

NoActivity1724

ETH didn’t get skipped, it just got left standing at the bus stop while traders chased whatever coin was moving that day.

Southern_Key_6969

Ah yes let me trust a fiat transaction and your promises to run logic on your RicFlairDripChain. Or do I build a custom bridge to trade ETH for block space on your innawoods blockchain that is important to integrate for some reason? Or if you don't want to be an idealist, you can join an established network, yeah you can't change the rules, but the shared supply is where a good part of the utility comes from.

DanielTheTechie

I already did my homework during the floor of the bear market: when BTC touched the weekly SMA200 I did all my purchases using this distribution: 40% BTC 20% ETH 10% SOL 10% HYPE 10% PENDLE 10% AAVEE These are my current returns: https://preview.redd.it/cdvliuyryesh1.jpeg?width=1366&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b1c56e2e4e2613a21ec3e3dd3db1456244805d9 And I already opened the limit sell orders too based on each coin's monthly volatility and in two different levels per coin. So when it comes to the long-term investing part, I'm done until 2027-2028. And in a separate account, in a different exchange too, I'm doing my weekly trading activity.

Ok_Body_2830

I hold a wide (probably too wide) range of alts. In the past, I have made the mistake of round-tripping too many gains by holding out for higher prices before selling anything. So I made a concious effort of starting the ladder out process at more modest gains. E.g. Sell the first 10% chunk at 1.25-1.5 the price I bought. The past month or so I have hit the first rung of the ladder on a lot of the coins where I had a decent entry price. Sometimes 2 or 3 rungs if they have been on a real run (e.g. NEAR). If they go back down to my original entry price, I will top back up to my initial quantity and keep some modest profits from this mini-bull. If the next move is to continue upward, I will keep laddering out at a rate that allows me to take profits but keep some exposure to huge breakouts. So that is what I am doing right now in terms of active buying/selling. For the chunk of my portfolio in BTC, I am less concerned with taking short term profits. It's a more stable asset, so the short term profits would be a lot smaller percentage wise and I am perfectly comfortable holding it long term. So I am just hodling. I may buy a little more, particularly if prices go down. I have some ETH which is getting a similar treatment, and a little bit of BNB, SOL, and XRP which I am treating as midway between the stable asset and speculative altcoin.

Tedious-Butcher

Maybe yes, maybe no. All i know is ETH price will be above $10,000 in the future.

titicaca123

What other legit coins have more growth potential than BTC and ETH ?

Inviction_

Holding the same ETH I've had for years

No_Profession_3125

I'm bullish on ETH over a 2-year period. They have defined a quantum-safety and scalability roadmap and I think it's insane (I'm a developer in the crypto space). To give you some perspective: today Ethereum mainnet can prove and validate at most 40 TPS, but the Binius benchmarks recently developed by the EF have achieved a proving speed of 1.8 million hashes. They claimed it will take them 2 years to roll out this technology fully, so in two years we can expect: t housands of TPS, quantum resistance, and all existing DeFi still working! Ethereum has consistently underperformed Bitcoin since 2022 but this time people _must_ notice how superior it is.

3beinigerKanalr1iger

Maybe it could eventually be possible, that at some point ETH is somehow going to do something the one way or another.

st_crypto

Me when i was mining in 2014 i thought it was over and moved on to mining LTC then ETH by gpu-s and stopped after that... fun times

Electronic-Bet-5106

DCAing into BTC, ETH, and SOL. Nothing exciting.

HocusThePocus

My mom is a cleaner at ETH HQ building and overheard the CFO saying 5K by Christmas

insdog

ETH is the Linux of crypto

Then-Feedback7751

This becomes more likely if ETH breaks the local high AND really takes off and gets people fomo'ing like the parabolic leg of the bull market is starting. This to me doesn't seem that unrealistic. But, the dominant sentiment is to doubt moves like this for the rest of the year, and that too makes an unlikely scenario somewhat more likely imho. I put the chance of it happening around 30%--within the realm of realistic possibility that should be accounted for.

DysphoricLemon

Not irrelevant when it’s the most volatile crypto so that’s gotta account for something. Considering it has a use case like ETH, and the rest of crypto hasn’t had bullish movement like that. $QNT

jawni

Pump and dump schemes are how I found out there were coins besides just ETH and BTC, but this was back in 2017. I was playing PUBG competitively at the time and someone from the community posted on Twitter like "isn't this shit illegal?" I joined the discord to check it out, basically it was pyramid scheme where the more people you got invited to the discord, the earlier they would tell you what coin was being pumped. I tried it once out of curiousity, put in like $10 and the coin they picked pumped but only for like 30 seconds and by the time you knew which one it was, most of the pump was already over. I imagine it works similarly now, but instead they probably just launch their own coin.

Vat5an

Have you checked the chain? Is the ETH still in the destination wallet or has it moved?

GesturalAbstraction

Sorry you said the cycle for hyper liquid went crazy yesterday? Checks notes - ETH 1 day, down 0.58. HYPE 1 day, down 1.33% … ETH 1 week, up 3.04%. Hype 1 week, down 0.59%. Are you not seeing what I’m seeing somehow?

SooperYuk

I know the original mistake was yours, but you’ve already contacted [https://exchange.taxi](https://exchange.taxi/) and you’re hearing crickets with 50 ETH on the line. What concerns me even more is that the flagged [https://stealth-ex.io](https://stealth-ex.io/) has been using exchange.taxi branding. That doesn’t prove exchange.taxi is a scam, but it’s enough that I wouldn’t wait around. Document everything and report it now at [https://www.ic3.gov](https://www.ic3.gov/). If they return your ETH, great.

Escapement_Watch

usdc and eth are both 0x addresses. So sending eth to a usdc address doesn't trap the eth. The platform's automated wallet system would immediately detect 50 ETH sitting in that address and credit it (or allow a 1-click refund). And doing over $1000 dollar swaps is fine. The scam sites are run automatically with API's and they prob have a $2000 or even $5000 dollar amount programed in before it takes it. But I could be wrong in this case and you get your eth back...but I doubt it. Keep us upto date.

88eth

What did they promise you? Double your ETH?

88eth

Should be fine I have sent 50 BTC to the wrong address before, its always been returned. One time I sent the $250m payment for my superyacht by mistake 18 times and they refunded it also (browser was bugged and reloading the page would re-send the transaction). You are lucky its only 50 ETH, ETH is literally still worthless and not worth anything more than the $0.25 i paid for them back in the day.

SooperYuk

With 50 ETH involved, I’d report this ASAP. Save the wallet address, transaction hash and screenshots. You can file a crypto fraud report with the FBI here: [**www.ic3.gov**](http://www.ic3.gov/). And don’t send them another dime.

bentoboxlb

We're not at alt coin cycle yet just because some cherry picked alt coins pumped hard. Also wasnt last bull run ETH the last one that massively pumped? Like when everyone was memeing ETH being one of the only ones not pumped and then it suddenly pumped

Candid_Sorbet_4605

I sent it to the deposit address. I meant to send $50 worth of USDC to the ERC-20 address, but I sent 50 ETH. It was before my first cup of coffee. Lesson learned.

ikkiyikki

See, you conflated tokens with crypto. There's Bitcoin, ETH, SOL and half a dozen others that are proper crypto and then a million shitcoins.

hoppeeness

Yes. Skipped. Too many old school cryptos here to admit it though. Small cap alts are way out performing BTC and ETH and even SOL a little Great example in DOVU. Actually moved from ETH to HBAR…real tech for real use cases. https://np.reddit.com/r/Hedera/s/dTzrZIvOVg

oprah_2024

ETH, it's the native token for Ethereum Mainnet. And if you stake it, you get ~2%

hoppeeness

Yes. Skipped. Too many old school cryptos here to admit it though. Small cap alts are way out performing BTC and ETH and even SOL a little

Backrus

Keep in mind Tom Lee has been buying billions of dollars worth of ETH since iirc June last year. Now think what will happen to price when the only buyer stops buying.

A_Honking_Goose

You people don't really understand whats happening atm, we aren't in a BTC bull run yet believe it or not what is happening with most alts is they are now correcting compared to a really deep pullback during the bear. BTC and ETH did not correct as much so for the time being they arn't pumping as much. Normal fairly clueless retail people like yourself will be caught out by a huge correction in a couple months after that is when the real BTC and eventually crypto bull run will start.

Right_Strength2170

Eth's been underperforming for years now. In this years bear market HYPE had about the same return as ETH had the entire prior bull, which is funny (about +300%).

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No_Carpet_5782

Only BTC in my opinion. ETH has trouble to hit ATH all the years.

Spicyocto

If you haven’t lost money at some point while learning then you ain’t doing it right. Learn from your mistakes. Saying that BTC and ETH is a safe bet. Just be prepared to hold through thick and thin

billybobbybrownbaby

Everyone here will either be a dick, try to make a little joke for some upvotes, or shill whatever coin they hold the most of. nobody here knows shit. if you want to stay in crypto and not “gamble” as you say then stick to BTC. If you still have an itch for alts then stuff that’s been around a while like ETH XRP XMR SOL etc…. but this is crypto it’s all gambling. anyone who says anything else is delusional

defeater33

Ummm no.to few people hear about it much less trust it longterm. Even cardino has been a really bad investment. With the high volitilty of ETH why bother. You can make 100% profit with ETH in a year even if only averages 10% gain a year.

Coleyx123

It's fine if you put your keys on a networked device. It's fine if you store them on your current phone, even if you open every piece of spam texts, emails, and anything else. I've got 2 from 10+ years ago when I started, and never had a problem with anything happening to my funds. Nobody's cleaned out the $0.20 from one, and I can't even find the $30 of ETH on the other one. I've never been so aggravated by $30 in my life, it might bother me a little if it wasn't on my etherscan watchlist when I checked it, only because I lost my $2 "investment" because someone else got my keys and took it while I've not been able to. Haven't put much effort into it, but still. On the real, yes, keep keys off devices. They may scratch the screen, lol, or cause you to loose everything.

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