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FreeTr33s

It cost them nothing - they created their own coins, exchanged for ETH and bought the NFTs using the magic, made up money. Same as the guy who bought the Beeple nft. In the end, these people made millions for themselves as they created a utility for cryptocurrencies.

redditsucks365

Silver 20$ in 2022 ETH 1000$ in 2022

AdmirableCucumber

That’s $4.8M in today’s ETH value.

SilverbackViking

Absolutely reasonable IMO, BTC as the only play is just dumb IMO. BTC and ETH should be a majority but definitely not all, 10-20% in alts is definitely not ridiculous.

AltruisticYam7670

Don’t want to make it worth but ETH is at almost 3000$ today

MFz32

How many ETH is it worth because 1630 ETH is over $4.7M USD rn lol

SilverbackViking

Honestly at some point the trade has to play out and reverse. I think one day MicroStrategy will be a cautionary tale, that day is not today! Bitmine makes more sense to me because they can stake and make an income to either purchase more ETH or funds debt. Before the MicroStrategy trade collapses though they will likely get involved in Defi, the market is not evolved or secure enough for that right now, we may be looking at 10+ years before this trade collapses IMO.

epic_trader

I'm the biggest Ethereum bull there is, but there's no way on earth this is happening unless ETH price does a 5X.

No_Bar2541

I guess high valued is subjective. Somebody bought a crypto punk on opensea for 87k worth of ETH 8 hours ago. 5 have sold in the last 2 days. My point is it’s disingenuous for people to say NFTs are worthless. Also again…where is the $10 claim coming from?

RamoneBolivarSanchez

BTC and ETH. Skip the rest

chr1stok3r

I think you’re doing a solid job. Personally I’m going heavy buy on BTC. I’m also adding to my ETH and LINK holdings but at a slower pace. I’ve got solid positions in XRP, and Hbar as high risk/high reward plays.

partymsl

They are shilling ETH more than even we do...

biba8163

Stablecoins marketcap has gone up by 190% since 2021. ETH has gone down by -40% since 2021. Stablecoin growth has nothing to do with ETH price I've tried to explain that to ETH Maxis MANY times that Ethereum/Tron/Solana/ETH L2s are just competing RAILS for Stablecoins and that they will be forced to remain CHEAP to keep Stablecoin dominance but playing bag holder bingo you still cannot grasp this simple concept > in order to compete with other chains, Ethereum will have to scale and that has seen the rise of L2/sidechains which results in loss transaction fees and MEV tips essentially stealing value from ETH. **This essentially turns Ethereum, Solana, BSC, Tron, L2/Sidechains, etc into competing networks for DeFi casinos and rails for StablecCoin transfers where they have to remain cheap** or utility and users will move to competing chains. **(September 2024)** https://np.reddit.com/r/ethfinance/comments/1f9ef5k/daily_general_discussion_september_5_2024/llmkgtm/

biba8163

> January 2016 ETH/BTC .003. When ETH was $0.98 and had a $70 Million marketcap 🤡. This is typical shitcoiner cope. - Lets go back to 2016 OR - Lets go back to when ETH dumped -90% > watch this I am watching you lose money and opportunity cost and do mental gymnastics buying shitcoins and pretending you made money lol > 1000 Moon Bet: > ETH/BTC ratio hits .15 before 2/1/2022 **(Oct. 2021, BTC $62K, ETH $4K)** https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/qcekzf/comment/hhg2njs/ > After 7 years, I have whittled down (aka consolidated) my coins to the final 4: ETH, XRP, FTT, and LINK. Got rid of BTC back in May **(Feb. 2022, BTC $38K, ETH $2,700, XRP $0.72, FTT $41, LINK $14)** https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/sz2hre/daily_discussion_february_23_2022_gmt0/hy2f9hx/ > would you rather have 1 bitcoin or 24 ethereum? > Right now....24 ETH by a MILE! Even a maxi knows math that ETH is undervalued to ATH compared to BTC and always outperforms BTC in the 4 year cycle. **(Aug 2024, BTC $62K, ETH $2,700)** https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1emrhat/comment/lh70v5r/ > After a successful 6 months of shorting ETH, my latest stop out short trade is my last for a while. Moving to the long side of leverage trading ETH **(Sep. 2024, BTC $63K, ETH $2,600)** https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1flq8gc/daily_crypto_discussion_september_21_2024_gmt0/lo9cen1/

brkinard

Cherry picking nonsense shit...watch this: January 2016 ETH/BTC .003. January 2026 ETH/BTC .033 ETH 10X outperformance!

wow247897

buying ETH five years ago < buying silver yesterday

LongBeachJohn

Could it be starting now? I have started to rotate some BTC to ETH.

Status-Being-4942

Looking at the charts ETH and SOL aren't far from their top, and way up over time. In the end crypto is just speculative, and has no real world value like silver does.

Substantial_Chapter3

I think its impossible to tell. It could all of a sudden flip but i certainly have moved out of low mcap coins. Moved all to ETH. Nothing happening till this bad boy makes new ATH.

Hurricane_Ivan

Do like BTC: 50-70% ETH: 20-30% ISO2022: 10-50% Shitcoins: 5-10%

BingoWT

After Gold and Silver, I heard Cu is next. I would still keep some BTC and ETH, however.

Indianianite

I admire your risk tolerance but I’m in out for the long haul. ETH and BTC at a minimum 10 year hold will not let you down. Currently in year 6 and very content with my investments.

mystiqueshaco

I am DCA'ing $2800/week, distributed to: BTC - $2100 ETH - $500 SOL - $200 I am focusing on long term DCA, I do not plan to sell, I plan to utilize my BTC in long run. I also have strategy for dips you might be interested, just adjust it to your risk appetite. It triggers on BTC price: 86-84k - $8k dip buy ($6k BTC / $1.7k ETH / $300 SOL) 78-76k - $22k dip buy ($14.5k BTC / $5.5k ETH / $2k SOL) 74-72k - $12k dip buy ($7.5k BTC / $3.5k ETH / $1k SOL) 69-66k - $7k dip buy ($4k BTC / $2k ETH / $1k SOL) I am trying to keep my portfolio balance to 80% BTC / 12-14% ETH / 6-8% SOL. Every drawdown I am more happy because I can buy coins cheaper. With your money I would seriously consider DCA'ing BTC.

Internal_Resort5451

Solid lineup, just a bit heavy on SOL for a long-term portfolio. For a 5-year hold I’d personally tilt more toward BTC/ETH for stability (maybe 30–35% BTC, 25–30% ETH), keep SOL around 20–25%, and use the rest for higher-risk plays like RNDR and TIA. DCA monthly is smart. Biggest advice: don’t overtrade, rebalance once or twice a year, and don’t chase hype mid-cycle.

Thane90

imagine waking up to check your old wallet and seeing that lol. whale probably just taking profits after 9 years.. cant blame them with ETH where its at

DBRiMatt

If I was that rich, I would every now and them move some ETH around too, just to make headlines.

ComplexWrangler1346

ETH yes , SOL no . Space and time (SXT) you need to load up on …it’s fully backed by Microsoft and Nvdia and is teamed up with Chanlink ..,it will 100X

curiousdrex

Been hearing this for so long already that it get's boring to read. I would say ETH and Link easily beats XRP in most if not all metrics

nitroxxz

I am aiming for ETH, due to volume of transactions, if we talk about bypassing USD in trade +++.. But i see the point for BTC as well, it just dont scale well enough if everyone jumps.

DryMyBottom

he should work on a more decentralised ETH first

Fierret

I prefer to buy dips, which can be treated as a form of DCA, but fundamentally believe ETH is good at least for it's current long-term range, which makes buying dips and taking profits on top reasonable.

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For 5 years, your BTC/ETH split is solid. That part is hard to argue with. The only thing I’d question is SOL being 35%. SOL is strong, but it’s still an ecosystem bet, not the same category as BTC/ETH. If the goal is long-term survival + compounding, I’d probably flip it closer to BTC/ETH heavy and keep SOL slightly smaller. Something like BTC 40%, ETH 30%, SOL 20%, and the rest in smaller conviction plays could reduce risk without killing upside. Render and Celestia are interesting, but they’re still higher volatility and trend-driven compared to BTC/ETH. Also, if you’re investing 10% monthly, your biggest advantage is consistency. Don’t over-optimize allocations every week. Set rules like rebalancing once every 3–6 months, and avoid chasing whatever is pumping. If you hold through multiple cycles, staying calm matters more than picking “perfect” percentages.

piggleii

Is Tom Lee still buying more ETH?

Demonyx12

So it’s all permanently over for BTC from this point forward? You'd recommend full reallocation from BTC into ETH, SOL, and XMR?

No-Masterpiece2246

Not really. Innovation has ended *on BTC*. Other coins are carrying the torch. BTC will remain a Wall Street plaything and a mostly useless collectible for some time. Small gains are possible but longterm the growth will happen on coins like ETH, SOL, and XMR, that have utility and innovative concepts behind them.

Worried-Lab-2010

Just DCA....BTC, ETH, BNB, SOL, HYPER, ASTER.

NatBitty

Don’t need to explain why because you can’t. And I am. Have 25,000 shares of IBIT that I’m selling calls against and started rolling weekly puts on ETH. Such an easy trade.

Excellent-Kangaroo38

BTC bro... I would swap ETH or Sol for BTC...

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DingDongWhoDis

>If ETH launched today it'd struggle ...is everything. It's the end all argument. There's no rebuttal except... pointing to the fact that we're not yet seeing liquidity migrate from failed tech. Liquidity migration inevitably happens as the space and market matures. Lacking efficiencies (speed/fees without compromising security or decentralization) offered by other blockchain alternatives will matter. Lacking quantum security (beyond recent news/narrative promoting the idea it's on the radar) will matter. >Liquidity doesn't migrate on vibes - it moves when there's a reason to. There's no rebuttal except... ☝️ which doesn't make an argument or suggest what I said is incorrect. There are several reasons that will matter. In time. When big players are done milking stupid retail/ecosystems and want to improve their proformas, the tech will finally matter.

Necessary-Long-2953

"Unusable garbage" that still has the most TVL, most stablecoins, most DeFi activity, and most developer tooling. Weird how that works. First mover advantage is still advantage. Network effects are real. Liquidity doesn't migrate on vibes - it moves when there's a reason to. If ETH launched today it'd struggle, sure. So would TCP/IP. That's not the argument you think it is.

Medium_Change4574

Tom Lee: ETH to 5k before Gold

KoldPurchase

Not doomed. Buy SOL. And ETH. Right now. /s If you are expecting 4000% return on anything, yes, it is. Most memecoins are pump & dump. If you're one of the select few, you make money. There's a lot of insider of trading, this is what many people here wanted: a president good for crypto and no regulations. Look back at the messages on the sub. There's a lot of large investors tipped of before big decisions so they can make their move. Don't expect to compete. But you can find ways to observe their movements and try to profit along with them. Sometimes you got the right person with the right tip and it works. Other times... well. We're not all multi millionaires by now.

Pitagrec

Lee can't be liquidated. All ETH was bought by issuing shares, no leverage was used.  The stock price could however decrease a lot and no new shares can be issued

whisperedstate

You're just proving my point. You bought ETH in 2021 without an investment thesis, then 5 years go by and you're lost.

Aerocryptic

Ok bro nevermind. ETH is the best and its community is wonderful. Have a nice Sunday

whisperedstate

You don't have to be from the US to use Americanism's. I've never met someone who's invested in ETH and thinks litterally everything else is a shitcoin. There are no such people, because Ethereum as a network promotes diversification of crypto assets. People that hold ETH are likely to also have some ARB, or SOL, or XMR, or LINK, or whatever. But one thing is true, people in Ethereum call out bullshit, and 99.999% of crypto os a giant pile of bullshit. Now go find some Bitcoin maxis that think anything but BTC isn't a shitcoin.

AttemptKitchen

Lee because ETH drops x2-x3 faster than Bitcoin.

Aerocryptic

I’m not from the US 🤣 If you have an X account you should know that there is an ETH maxi community. And they hate everything that is not ETH. From BTC to all the alt L1s. The BTC zealots are dumb, but the ETH maxi crowd has also its own toxic vibe.

whisperedstate

Absolutely not. There is no ETH maxi community. That's just another Americanism creeping into crypto with some "both sides" bullshit. There is such a thing as obective reality, and objectively, Bitcoin maxi's are religious fanactics who hold dogma above anything else and refuse to even admit that there might be anything wrong with the "immaculate conception" that is Bitcoin.

whisperedstate

That's not an investment thesis... What did you think would need to happen for ETH to be valued at close to 1T in market cap?

Aerocryptic

The ETH maxi community is as insufferable as the bitcoin one. If you don’t see it, it’s probably cause you’ve been part of it for a while. ETH still has everything to prove, I stand my case. Its architecture also suffers from many flaws that makes it hard to see it as a store of value. It could be used and useful and still remain quite cheap in the long run. I was bullish ETH from 2017 to 2021. Not so much anymore. It’s the first time in 9 years that I don’t hold any as a matter of fact. GL on your bet

DingDongWhoDis

Ethereum is unusable garbage compared to alternatives, and that's really not arguable. The problem is people believing Ethereum will continue to dominate (blame the unfortunate first mover advantage) forever when time will surely usher in common sense and liquidity migration. If ETH launched today, it would not garner any momentum whatsoever. And rightly so.

Aerocryptic

It’s kind of ironic that you bash the religious aspect of btc when you obviously worship another coin. ETH still has everything to prove. Will it come on top remains to be seen. This failed cycle should make you more cautious

whisperedstate

When you bought ETH in 2021, what was your investment thesis?

biba8163

Now this is funny. Tom Lee and Bitmine are really betting on Mr. Beast "the most important content creator in the planet" to take ETH to the next level" by investing $200 Million in them https://youtu.be/aOdyGZdsm8s?t=965 > We look forward to look for more ways to collaborate and incorporate DeFi into our financial services platform - Mr Beast > If you want Ethereum to be part of the future of finance it makes sense to have a connection to the MOST important content creator in the world https://youtu.be/aOdyGZdsm8s?t=1296

NatBitty

Oh look, what’s been happening for months keeps happening! 😂 Puts on ETH every Friday and selling at 10am Monday unless BTC reaches $100k again. The cliff is steeeeeep.

biba8163

The proposal to give Tom Lee 4.5 Million more shares of BMNR based on the criteria below passed on January 15. He is being handsomely paid to shill ETH and people fell for his bullshit hype. - Tom Lee gets 500,000 shares or ~$14 Million at today's price when BMNR get 4% of all ETH regardless of whether ETH is $1K or $5K - Tom Lee gets 1,000,000 shares or ~$28 Million at today's price when BMNR get 5% of all ETH regardless of whether ETH is $1K or $5K - The other compensation is based on BMNR stock performance | Performance Criteria | Hurdle | Shares | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | Share of ETH | 4% | 500,000 | Share of ETH | 5% | 1,000,000 | BMNR Stock Price | $125 | 500,000 | BMNR Stock Price | $250 | 1,000,000 | BMNR Marketcap | $25 Billion | 500,000 | BMNR Marketcap | $50 Billion | 1,000.000 https://www.bamsec.com/filing/149315225026868 If Tom Lee genuinely considers ETH the **"Biggest Macro Trade of the Next Decade"** then: - Why was he not screaming this in 2024 or before July 2025 when he was marketed as the chairman of BMNR? - Why does he not even understand the basics of Ethereum and call it a fork of Bitcoin? - Why has he not allocated a percentage to ETH in his OWN ETF, Fundstrat's flagship ETF? - Why is Tom Lee allocating to BTC in his very own ETF portfolio through MSTR and not have ANY exposure to ETH? https://grannyshots.com/holdings/ **No, Tom Lee suddenly started shilling the hell out of ETH since June 2025 because he was appointed Chairman of BMNR and is getting handsomely compensated to SHILL SHILL SHILL.**

Bitter_Union3565

Welcome! For beginners, it’s usually safer to start with the major coins like BTC or ETH and avoid chasing hype. Some people also explore staking or delegating via validators (you’ll see sites like p2pstaking mentioned) to earn passive yield while holding, but remember it’s still exposed to market risk.

shitcanfly

Wonder if Tom Lee will change the 7000$ ETH prediction for the end ofJanuary...

Calm-Professional103

70/30 BTC/ETH. Dropped shitcoins altogether. 

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bigbluedog2040

ETH outperforms BTC because of the massive growth in the Ethereum ecosystem. 

aminok

https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/07/22/launching-the-ether-sale >The Terms and Conditions of the Ethereum Genesis Sale, and the Ether Product Purchase Agreement, are the only authoritative documents regarding the sale. Here are the Terms and Conditions: https://web.archive.org/web/20140723212709if_/https://www.ethereum.org/pdfs/TermsAndConditionsOfTheEthereumGenesisSale.pdf >Ether will be created on an as-ordered basis for the Genesis Sale. The exact amount required by EthSuisse to fulfill all Genesis Sale commitments will be created by a pre-mining process in the Genesis Block for allocation to Genesis Sale Purchasers of ETH (the “Genesis Sale Quantity of ETH”). >In addition to the Genesis Sale Quantity of ETH, the pre-mining process will create and place a second pool of ETH in the Genesis Block. This second pool of ETH will be directly allocated to early contributors who have worked to develop the ideas, implementations, and supporting structures of the Ethereum project up to the time of the Genesis Sale. The size of this pool will be 9.9% of Genesis Sale Quantity of ETH. >In addition to the Genesis Sale Quantity of ETH and the second pool of ETH, the pre-mining process will create and place a third pool of ETH in the Genesis Block. This third pool of ETH will be directly allocated to the Ethereum Stiftung (Foundation) for payment of future expenses to be determined in its sole discretion. >The size of this pool will be 9.9% of Genesis Sale Quantity of ETH.

morning_mushroom

Why Cardano? Cardano lives on charismatic vision, sold by Charles. No real usage, no advancement of projects, it's dead, beside people staking... Beside you should not use the term "investing" when mentioning crypto, this is pure speculation. Go where there is real usage, so BTC, SOL, eventually ETH. Sadly crypto will just be a tool to reduce USA debt at some point. You should invest into real companies, not into digital immutable database records which can be multiplied even easier than printing paper money. I sold almost all my crypto a few months ago, everything besides Cardano, because Daedalus took five days to synchronise... I am just waiting for one more rush, to get rid of that as well, if there are any remaining idiots to believe in crypto now after so many people got burned. But there always are.

SenseiRaheem

ETH's failure to make significant gains in the highest BTC ATH of current history told us enough.

nastimoto

Cardano and Solana can not be called ‘investments’ in my opinion 🤭 I’d say wait a year let it all crush and burn as it usually does, then buy BTC. Maybe some ETH.

swn999

Both niche coins, the meme is what wannabes pick up in first, dude get some Doge! And Cardano is just… not gaining traction. What has staying power BTC ETH XRP SOL

Ouch259

I am silver bug, but I also have gold, bitcoin and ETH. I have no idea where each is going except the dollar is going down. Stop playing just one and earn as they take turns going up.

Alexbobica

Good plan imo. I would rather choose a higher percentage to be in BTC. However, my pf invlude 70% in BTC, 10% in ETH and SOL, 30% in AIOZ, WILD, DIA, ZEC, etc.

itsmearyastark

Maybe if you stick to 80% BTC - 20% ETH you end up with better results than all those

oneden

As with any title that starts with a question: No. ETH stans are probably the most deluded of the bunch. Still waiting on the "Flippening" longer than the Israelites marching through the desert.

qwertydcf

Ada the 2021 ETH killer with the amazing 1%

larrybirdismygoat

His is what ChatGPT Pro says on the matter: This criticism of Bitcoin is partially valid but materially overstated, and it relies on a static, linear extrapolation of Bitcoin’s security model that most protocol designers explicitly reject. A rigorous assessment requires separating what is theoretically correct, what is empirically unresolved, and what is conceptually flawed. ⸻ 1. The core claim: “Bitcoin security collapses as block rewards fall” What is valid • Security budget reality: Bitcoin’s security is funded by miner revenue = block subsidy + transaction fees. As subsidies halve every ~4 years, fees must eventually dominate. • Arithmetic is correct: If Bitcoin maintained today’s hashrate with future subsidies near zero, fees would need to rise materially unless price increases compensate. • This is not controversial: Even Bitcoin Core developers acknowledge that the long-run security model depends on fee markets. Conclusion: 👉 The existence of a long-term security-budget question is real and acknowledged. ⸻ 2. Where the argument becomes weak or misleading A. “Fees must be $50+ per transaction” This is not required. The post assumes: • Constant transactions per block • Constant security spend in USD terms • No L2 migration • No change in miner cost structures • No price appreciation All are false assumptions. Reality: • Bitcoin’s base layer is intentionally becoming a high-value settlement layer, not a retail payment rail. • If a block settles: • Exchanges • Rollups • Lightning channels • Custodians • Institutional batched transfers then a $10–$100 fee per transaction is economically trivial, because each transaction may represent thousands or millions of end-user transfers. This is already observable: • During peak congestion, $20–$60 fees have been paid without network collapse. • Fee elasticity exists for low-value users, not for settlement users. Conclusion: 👉 High fees are not a failure mode; they are an intended design outcome. ⸻ B. “Lower hashpower = easier attacks” This is directionally true but economically incomplete. What matters is relative attack cost vs economic value secured, not absolute hashpower. If: • BTC price ↑ • Value settled per block ↑ • Miner revenue stabilizes via fees • Attack incentives remain negative then lower hashpower does not imply weaker security. Attackers must: • Acquire or rent ASICs • Pay energy costs • Risk devaluing the asset they attack • Overcome social and economic countermeasures (reorg limits, checkpoints, exchange responses) Security is economic, not purely computational. ⸻ C. “Bitcoin needs price to double forever” This is a strawman. Bitcoin does not require perpetual exponential price growth. It requires: • Fee revenue to stabilize at a level sufficient to deter attacks relative to value settled. That can occur via: • Modest long-term price appreciation • Increased settlement demand • Higher-value transactions • Layer-2 aggregation • Miner efficiency gains Ethereum proponents often overlook that Ethereum implicitly assumes perpetual issuance, which also relies on perpetual demand. ⸻ 3. Ethereum comparison: valid contrast, but not a knockout argument Ethereum’s model strengths • Ongoing issuance ensures a stable security budget • PoS security is cheaper per unit of value secured • Inflation ~0–1% is economically tolerable • EIP-1559 smooths fee volatility These are real advantages. But Ethereum has its own assumptions • Social consensus is more interventionist • Protocol-level changes are frequent • Security relies on slashing + social recovery • Long-term validator centralization risks exist • Monetary policy is mutable by governance Bitcoin optimizes for: • Credible neutrality • Immutability • Minimal governance • Predictable monetary policy Ethereum optimizes for: • Economic efficiency • Adaptability • Programmability These are different design philosophies, not “one is obviously broken”. ⸻ 4. What the criticism gets fundamentally wrong The biggest error The argument assumes Bitcoin must: Maintain today’s security model, transaction profile, and usage patterns forever. Bitcoin is explicitly evolving toward: • Low-frequency, high-value settlement • L2-driven retail usage • Fee-dominated miner revenue • Security proportional to economic throughput, not TPS Judging Bitcoin by Visa-like TPS metrics is a category error. ⸻ Final verdict Validity score: ~6/10 • ✅ Correct to highlight the long-term fee-dependence question • ❌ Incorrect to assume catastrophic failure or impossibility • ❌ Over-relies on static extrapolation • ❌ Misunderstands Bitcoin’s intended end-state Bottom line: Bitcoin’s security model is not proven, but it is not internally inconsistent. Ethereum’s model is more economically explicit, but less monetarily rigid. This is a trade-off, not a fatal flaw. If you want, I can: • Quantify plausible future fee scenarios • Compare BTC vs ETH security per $100B settled • Explain why many Bitcoin developers are comfortable with the fee-only future • Or assess whether PoS actually solves the same problem or just shifts it

aminok

I think ETH is the greatest asset in human history. And it's something I couldn't even conceive of. I'm not saying something because when Bitcoin first came out, it was something I could never conceive of. I thought nothing could top it. And then ETH just blows it away.

vattenj

That is least amount of problem, see the BCH fork that can provide better transaction capacity (thus higher fee income) for decades to come, it makes no impact. What the block size war told us is that people just don't care paying hundreds of dollars of transaction fees, as long as the No.1 position is hold However, if the No.1 position is lost to ETH, then it does not matter what inflation scheme, capital will quickly turn to ETH

reddit4485

Anyone can create any crypto out of thin air and say it was created "in accordance with the publicly defined terms of the crowd sale". In fact, that's the fundamental formula for scamcoins. Just give >No, the 10% is the proportion of total issuance that that initial allocation constitutes and the reason it's only 10% now is because Ethereum had five years of proof-of-work with high inflation that diluted the initial allotments. OK, why when you guys are wrong you just lie? 72 million ETH was premined (if you don't believe me I linked a source which is the SEC government filing below). Premined means they created it out of thin air and gave it to themselves. This was either sold (which since they owned they kept the proceeds) or still hold onto. Many believe a lot of this was just sold to themselves because it's pretty much free. There are 120.7 million ETH now which was mostly mined which means that well over half was premined. Why do you just lie about the 10% being because of POW high inflation? https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1725210/000095017024019125/ethe-20231231.htm?utm_source=chatgpt.com

iamjide91

Accumulation point I think. This price isn't a bad place to buy for BTC, ETH, HYPE, or AIOZ. Can we see more downside? Yeah, maybe. Nothing much tho. The market will be back up in a few days to weeks.

Tradewell3845

I think it’s too late. And bitcoin, maybe ETH. That’s it. All of the others are weak and fall apart when things get dicey

SevereArrivals13

Bought up some more BTC, ETH and Moons Now we chill and watch UFC 324 with a cold one.

Ladlow

Yea. No need for Clarity Act. Almost like the lawsuit was planned….. I’m honestly shocked and people’s insistence that XRPL is not to be taken seriously. BTC SOL ETH all have a part play but XRPL will be THE blockchain that institutions and sovereign nations utilize for value transfer and tokenization.

shaneween

Prediction for ETH?

YSL_Crypto

Most people can’t understand Bitcoin and its simplicity. They definitely won’t understand this. With your analysis, do you see ETH flipping Bitcoin, are you saying it’s a better everyday currency, or something else ?

DBRiMatt

I've used Cow.fi and had far more efficient trades then by just using Uniswap or Sushi.com for ETH/USDC trades. But for smaller tokens with less liquidity, I tend to just stick with a DEX like Sushi.com or others depending on the network.

Coquito3000

My dad told me to buy a house in his state in 2017. I told him I dont have money. I put it in ETH. I went down -95% in 2018. Since 2020 I am a multimillionaire. My NW high was 3.9M USD. Of course it has been around 700k as recently as 2025 after the Trump tariffs. Currently 818 ETH is worth 2.4M. How much have homes appreciated? 150k? I used to own stocks before I got in crypto. I doubled my money in around 4 years. I had like 30k so it wasn't much but same concept applies. Now I pay rent and it's about 25k/year. If I want to pay my housing expenses, I just need my investment to cover more than 25k/year. Once I sell my ETH, I'll never buy a house. I'll rent and keep my money invested. Rent is a rounding error. If you did math you would understand but instead, you will keep insisting on the same poor mentality that keeps everyone in debt and poor. My credit score is 830 and has been as high as 848. I never had debt. I have a bachelor's degree and I'm currently in a masters program paid by my GI bill. I wish you people could just listen to advice instead of repeating the same shit that keeps you all poor. It's better to invest in growing assets. Not necessarily crypto. The risk isn't for everyone. But say SP500 is relatively safe and grows 10% per year. How much does a property grow? And have you considered the price of your mortgage? You pay nearly double in interest, taxes and repairs. Right now my electrical panel is busted and my landlord will pay my entire monthly rent in repairing that shit. I sit back and call him to come get it fixed. The cost of opportunity is wasted when buying property. As I tell you this story, my dad bought a property worth 260k in 2017. Today it's estimated value is \~400k. And instead of having 1 400k property, I have the cash to buy almost 4 similar properties after I pay my taxes. Mind you that ETH is actually sucking right now. So what I want you to consider is the purchasing power and what offers you more purchasing power. "Owning" (you never really own. Either you pay your landlord or you pay your government, your HOA, your maintenance and repairs) or actually maximizing investing. You can talk about the history of civilization but if owning homes made people rich, no boomer would ever be poor.

6M66

Majority of Rwa is happening on Solana, u can buy Mag7 through Solana . ETH won't work. I have a feeling they r gonna make a new one for this purpose

Ok_Budget9461

Because the market is balanced, not confused. Yes, there’s buying, but there’s also sell-side supply absorbing every push higher. Volume alone doesn’t move price; what matters is who is trading, in which direction, and at what levels. Right now BTC and ETH are ranging because: larger players are accumulating without chasing price every rally runs into existing supply there’s no clear catalyst to break the equilibrium yet This isn’t necessarily bearish. In fact, many strong trends start after long sideways phases. Markets don’t move on news alone, they move when one side finally runs out of patience. Price isn’t “stuck”. It’s absorbing.

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shaneween

What do you think ETH will hit or bottom out around?

biba8163

Cope harder. Shitcoiners like you who consistently lose money use copium math by cherry picking times when an asset at its lowest to fictionalize they made money by buying a shitcoin at the lowest pretending you have a crystal ball which helped you time the lows. **Investors that make money like to hold assets that consistently appreciate over the long term so we look at ATHs.** That doesn't change the fact that ETH is a non-performing asset that is -40% from 2021. Congratulations on the mental gymastics.

everydaythrowaway82

For sure.. I don’t see that happening with all the institutional buy in.. I think we will see all time highs for both ETH and BTC this calendar year.

epic_trader

>Over half of ethereum in existence was created out of thin air by the Ethereum Foundation and given to themselves. The Ethereum Foundation held a public, open to everyone, widely announced crowdsale where thousands of people invested. 12 million out of 70 million ETH went to EF and early developers, rest was sold. Today that's 10% of the circulating supply, not 50%, which has kept paying for 12 years of Ethereum development. > Satoshi never gave himself free bitcoin, he earned it by mining it! You're joking right! Satoshi was mining with no competition for a year, amassing who knows how many BTC, at least 5% of the total supply, with no transparency. Centralized scam.

biba8163

> the price doesn’t move in a straight line you're right. ETH mostly pumps and dumps and underperforms everything. ETH is only ~2X from 8 years ago. https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/20180113/ The S&P 500 is ~2.5X from 8 years ago. There is massive risk and zero reward for holding ETH long term when a conservative investment of index funds outperforms it. Congratulations really.

biba8163

Holding its value? lol. ETH -30% from 4 years and 8 months ago. https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/20210511/ ETH is only ~2X from 8 years ago. https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/20180113/ The S&P 500 is ~2.5X from 8 years ago. There is massive risk and zero reward for holding ETH long term when a safe investment of index funds outperforms it, The mental gymnastics trying to rationalize holding a double speculative asset that underperforms almost everything long term and historically has a 0.96 correlation coefficient to BTC only appreciates when BTC goes on bullruns is comical. - Summer 2017, ETH hits ATH of $400 after BTC hits local top of $3,000 - January 2018, ETH hits ATH of $1,400 after BTC hits cycle top of $20K - May 2021, ETH hits ATH after BTC tops out in April 2021 - Nov 2021. ETH hits ATH in December after BTC tops out in November 2021 - August 2025. ETH briefly touches past 2021 ATH after BTC breaks $120K

flying-fox200

I cannot comment on what the price will do, but I *would* suggest - since you're just starting out - to read up on self-custody. "Not your keys, not your crypto." Always store crypto in your own wallet. Don't leave it on an exchange. Exchanges are for buying, not for storing. For just starting out, I'd recommend BlueWallet (on iOS/Android) for Bitcoin and MetaMask for ETH/SOL.

I_Walk_Slow

Is he referring to SOL or ETH?