ETH

biba8163

> People just aren’t buying alts The Age of Shitcoins is Over > If BTC hits $100K AND Trump gets elected AND Gary Gensler gets fired AND the FED does a few rate cuts AND the stock market does well AND my Alt gets an ETF, then my Alt will surely moon! - $100K BTC, $110K BTC, $120K BTC! - Pro-Crypto Scammer President! - Gary Gensler fired! - FED cuts rates 3 times! - Stock market up 15% YTD! - ETH gets an ETF! ETH still -35% from 2021 high - XRP gets an ETF! XRP still -50% from 2018 ATH - LINK gets an ETF! LINK still -35% from 2020 high - LTC gets an ETF! LTC still -80% from 2021 ATH - HBAR gets an ETF! HBAR still -80% from 2021 ATH

Laicosin

If you're just parking it somewhere and forgetting about it, why not stake it as ETH. At current returns you could grow that principal by about $1000 over 10 years.

AmazingfurnitureCT

Choose both 50/50 or 70/30 BTC/ETH

benjaminchodroff

Bitcoin first as hard money, but there is nothing wrong with a bit of ETH too for helping power the future of finance. With $3k, I'd just keep it simple and just stick to bitcoin only and not look back.

SubstantialPlenty301

Jesus. Because It's an alt coin. That's why. Long term, only BIT and ETH, maybe SOL will be relevant.

binary_quasar

Think objectively and don't get swept up in project narratives, most of them are vaporware. In practice, this usually looks like only buying Bitcoin and ETH, maybe SOL/LINK if you have a larger risk appetite. Investing requires conviction, but conviction breeds emotions and emotions will never make you a better investor. Conviction that the underlying value of a given project's progress, development, and utility should be higher in the future. Most altcoins barely have much progress made and are still being developed, so they strongly focus on the utility narrative, meaning they are trying to **sell you a solution to a problem.** If somebody is trying to sell you a solution, then you must ask yourself how impactful the problem is and if blockchain or smart contracts are the **best** way we can address it. The answer is usually no and there are often better solutions to the problems altcoins are trying to solve. Bitcoin built the entire space and almost all of it is built on Ethereum, while LINK provides oracle data to almost everything. This is real utility and no other coins come even relatively close to providing this much for the space. This is the infrastructure of the entire sector. These are the only plays I have even an ounce of conviction for. Everything else, you should catch on pumps and sell the second you smell weakness. Otherwise, you are now a long term holder of somebody's dogshit.

Squash_Confident

FART & BONK No, but seriously a healthy split of BTC and ETH, maybe some LINK.

ec265

ETH is harder money than BTC, and that’s not just because there are *more* uncertainties with BTC BTC’s future is very uncertain, be it quantum, be it declining security budget, be it centralisation concerns

ec265

ETH There is no second best

RatherCynical

The value proposition is different. ETH is not "sound money", it's an internet-computer. Sound money has lower uncertainties than internet computers.

No-Tradition4622

Okay, just curious what do you think would happen to ETH if BTC crashed?

bojacked

have they capped supply on Etherium? I think that the finite supply vs infinite supply or a system where more can be created arbitrarily is what people are trying to get away from. I still dont actually now how ETH and SOL supply work honestly.

cosmic_censor

ETH has more utility and is more actively developed. In the arena of Defi, it has more than half the total TVL and ETH dApps have significant presence in all crypto use cases. The BTC developer community is more conservative and innovates more slowly. Moreso, the BTC community is hostile to the idea that blockchain has any use case beyond payments and yet refuses to accept that BTC cannot even do that adequately. But long term, ETH has a lot of competition and has to work hard to maintain its dominance. Any misstep by the EF will be capitalized by a competitor. BTC on the other hand does not actually do anything beyond being a store of value. For that it gets a monetary premium and also makes it harder for competitors. Nobody can do nothing better than BTC. Quantum is a bigger risk for BTC because of the satoshi wallets and because BTC development occurs slower. Ethereum successfully moved from PoW to PoS and going quantum resistant has a similar scale and complexity to that switch giving confidence to the idea that the EF can pull it off.

SubstantialPlenty301

Obi ETH. Utility bro

Ok-Proposal6598

ETH will be the Boom in 2026, many quantitative analysts place it as number 1 in growth.

iamthinksnow

I was about to screenshot, but like you, decided to sell and sold off the last handful of my circa-2016 $12 ETH when it was bouncing between $4,600 and $4,000 a few months ago. I'm just doing siding on the house, but it feels good, man.

markaction

Ethereum is better equipped for quantum resistance (multi-sig wallets, future wallet developments, overwhelming larger development community, etc...). Additionally, most of Ethereum is locked in the staking contracts. Bitcoin has a Satoshi-level bounty for quantum hackers, and once that wallet starts moving Bitcoin, there will be a race to exit the chain. Just about every use-case in crypto where there is economic activity involves smart-contracts, and Ethereum along wth its L2s have won here, and the network effects from this are huge. Stocks, as we speak, are being tokenized on-chain, along with the exponential expansion of stable-coins. Every time you hear the work "tokenization" and "stable-coins" -- they are talking about Ethereum. Bitcoin needs transaction activity to compensate the miners to support the network. There is no network activity with Bitcoin, and that doesn't look that will ever change. Seriously, how often do you spend Bitcoin? People on Ethereum spend ETH daily just on decentralized finance alone. Where does a pet rock fit in?

No_South_9912

So many buying through ETFs now. BTC, ETH, and SOL are the only 3 supported by major investment companies. Fidelity is self custody, not sure about others. A few ALTs are offered by "third party" investment companies..Investors are hesitant.

biba8163

The irony in all this: - Polymarket is built on Polygon. - Polymarket is the biggest crypto mainstream success story. - The NYSE parent company is investing $2 Billion in Polymarket because of prediction market data and wanting to bring prediction markets themselves to the NYSE. As a side node, contrast this to ScamLINK which has a "partnership" with the NYSE parent - the NYSE parent company haven't invested a single red American penny in ScamLINK. What can be learned: - Apps/Success/Usage/Traffic in a platform doesn't make the token appreciate - Network tokens need to remain cheap in order for the network to be used - If network is too expensive, users migrate and you will be forced to slash fees (ETH -90%, TRON -60%, etc) - Successful crypto apps with mainstream adoption don't need hundreds of millions invested and years and years to build. Polymarket was built in 3 months with $4 Million seed investment. - Successful crypto projects don't need a token - TradFi companies will invest billions in crypto related projects if they see any value. The bullshit crypto partnerships we see all the time, are just that: bullshit.

uncapchad

Stole ETH, converted it to BTC and USDT. So there's the tenuous connection to Bitcoin. Not even hackers want alts these days

Ok-Proposal6598

The Risks: Legal Scrutiny: Solana faces legal challenges related to its meme coin launch platform and validator setup, with accusations of market irregularities that could negatively impact investor confidence and perception. Furthermore, manipulation is rampant; SOL is weak fundamentally, and the network is always congested. It has already reached its all-time high, and Solana could fall to $9. For now, BTC and ETH are "safe bets" with less volatility. Additionally, JP Morgan launched a token on the ETH network. There may be projects with better fundamentals, but all altcoins are bleeding money. Another example of a scam is PIPPIN on the Solana network.

Pristine_Kangaroo527

SOL doesn’t have the institutional adoption that BTC and ETH do, which is why there’s more potential upside. I’m not saying put all your money into SOL, but SOL is growing and will be the next thing to get institutional adoption. You can also look at things like ETF inflows and on-chain transactions to see how big SOL is.

Ok-Proposal6598

But if we're talking about technical analysis, the difference is that Bitcoin has massive institutional adoption, while Solana is mostly used for speculation. The capital outflow is massive, due to demand. You're ignoring that point. I'm not a chat guy, bro; I build pipelines in Python for quantitative analysis. And it doesn't look promising for the future, whereas ETH is going to boom in 2026.

Patient-Bumblebee

Yes its quite insane. Some of the options have funding rates of 10% per hour, which implies that someone is willing to pay 10% of their position size per hour just to hold the options contracts. Reason: The options have very high upside if you catch a large spike (literally can earn 1000x in an hour). For that reason they are also incredibely risky to sell, but if you also hold the underlying (ETH in my case) in equal proportions, you are fully hedged and there is virtually no risk.

Pristine_Kangaroo527

Avoid buying any crypto other than BTC, ETH, and SOL. There may be a few other diamonds in the rough but picking them out of the stack of crypto that exists is a gamble. And no, children, there isn’t going to be an “alt season” where the entire crypto market and every shitcoin pumps like happened previously. That’s not how markets (ordinarily) work.

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LazyLifeguard

I am already heavy under water with my ETH short. To late to flip flop, degen style and go long ?

biba8163

> If BTC hits $100K AND Trump gets elected AND Gary Gensler gets fired AND the FED does a few rate cuts AND the stock market does well AND my Alt gets an ETF, then my Alt will surely moon! - $100K BTC, $110K BTC, $120K BTC! - Pro-Crypto Scammer President! - Gary Gensler fired! - FED cuts rates 3 times! - Stock market up 15% YTD! - ETH gets an ETF! ETH still -35% from 2021 high - XRP gets an ETF! XRP still -50% from 2018 ATH - LINK gets an ETF! LINK still -35% from 2020 high - LTC gets an ETF! LTC still -80% from 2021 ATH - HBAR gets an ETF! HBAR still -80% from 2021 ATH *What is the investment thesis for Alts now? What could possibly propel Alts to new ATHs?* > Consolidating, when we boom to 110k alts will go bananas (December 2024) https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hcz79l/daily_crypto_discussion_december_13_2024_gmt0/m1uit1k/ > btc to 110k tmr smashing the alts to outerspace. (December 2024) https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hhfmsi/daily_crypto_discussion_december_19_2024_gmt0/m2sq87h/ > BTC dominance can still go higher. We would need a leg up to 110k more or less, consolidate there and then alts will go ballistic (December 2024) https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hcz79l/daily_crypto_discussion_december_13_2024_gmt0/m1wde9n/

biba8163

> If BTC hits $100K, Trump gets elected, Gary Gensler gets fired, the FED does a few rate cuts, the stock market does well AND my Alt gets an ETF, my Alt will surely moon! - $100K BTC, $110K BTC, $120K BTC! - Pro-Crypto Scammer President! - Gary Gensler fired! - FED cuts rates 3 times! - Stock market up 15% YTD - ETH gets an ETF! ETH still -35% from 2021 high - XRP gets an ETF! XRP still -50% from 2018 ATH - LINK gets an ETF! LINK still -35% from 2020 high - LTC gets an ETF! LTC still -80% from 2021 ATH - HBAR gets an ETF! HBAR still -80% from 2021 ATH What is the investment thesis for Alts now? What could possibly propel Alts to new ATHs? > Consolidating, when we boom to 110k alts will go bananas (December 2024) https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hcz79l/daily_crypto_discussion_december_13_2024_gmt0/m1uit1k/ > btc to 110k tmr smashing the alts to outerspace. (December 2024) https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hhfmsi/daily_crypto_discussion_december_19_2024_gmt0/m2sq87h/ > BTC dominance can still go higher. We would need a leg up to 110k more or less, consolidate there and then alts will go ballistic (December 2024) https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hcz79l/daily_crypto_discussion_december_13_2024_gmt0/m1wde9n/

Despaciito

ETH looking good here. Will probably dump thou

Rory_1354

Lol seriously just stay away from alts they are a waste of time. Buy BTC and possibly ETH

Ready_Appearance_734

Isn’t this the dip everyone was hoping for a few months ago when BTC was $126k and ETH was $4k? That said, what is everyone investing in right now that everything is on sale?!

iamjide91

A bit of everything. I trade when the opportunity comes. I have a few hodls, AIOZ, XMR, SOL, ETH. Funny enough, I hodl no BTC, I only trade.

UnheardTales

Totally depends on risk tolerance, but I keep \~30% in stables for dry powder. Allocate 10-20% to high-yield DeFi like Aave lending. 5-10% in LPs for extra APY, but hedge IL. Rest in BTC/ETH for growth. For stable yields, Yieldseeker on BASE automates USDC optimization as one tool.

117Reclaimer

I've only invested in BTC, ETH and SOL Cope more, it's not my fault American Idiots voted in a Pedophile Conman who tanked their economy

Bubbacarl

Its on a big rise AH along with ETH

allstater2007

Ya at least that lol. Now .00001 ETH (if that)

Jaxsoy

Absolutely love how my $10 avatar was at one point selling for 2 ETH and I didn’t sell. Not salty at all. Nope.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Bitcoin (BTC) fell below the $85,000 support level, hitting $84,500, its lowest in three weeks, amid a week-long selloff. This decline affected the broader crypto market, with Ether (ETH) and Solana (SOL) also dropping. Analysts suggest thin liquidity and options flows are driving the moves, while Bloomberg's Mike McGlone warns Bitcoin could fall to $10,000 due to diminishing catalysts and increased competition from other cryptocurrencies. The market remains under pressure, with downside risks prevailing. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; A crypto whale lost $38 million after an attacker exploited a multisig wallet due to a private key compromise. The attacker drained funds, sent 4,100 ETH through Tornado Cash to obscure the trail, and retained control of a leveraged DeFi position worth $25 million in collateral. The wallet setup, requiring only one signature, undermined the security of multisig functionality. The incident highlights ongoing risks in crypto security, including private key theft and social engineering tactics. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

Lanky_Leek6677

Against basics like **BTC, ETH, or even just holding cash during drawdowns**, the majority of alts: * pumped briefly * then bled for months * and never fully recovered A few winners don’t offset the mental stress and opportunity cost of holding many losers. That’s why a lot of experienced holders stopped trying to pick alts and moved to **broad, rules-based exposure** instead. Something like **TM100** gives you market-wide exposure with automatic rebalancing, so you’re not stuck married to dying alts. Alts can outperform — but *only if you time them well*. Most people don’t.

partymsl

Vitalik brokering a peace deal between Elon and the EU, and ETH may finally get back above $3k...

NatBitty

Lurker since 2017, owned 15 btc since 2024. This is the worst I’ve ever felt… I have a strong belief that all alts are going to $0 eventually, but this is the first time I’ve had real concern about btc too. Its appeal is based on essentially uncapped upside, but the minimal peak to peak gain this time could have squashed that… and then what? I’m opening up a short on XRP, Doge, and ETH ETFs to at least hedge, but I don’t know what to do w/ my btc. Avg price of $41k I guess I’ll just wait and hope, or sell at $60k so I can at least lock in 50% gain.

Mouse_Numerous

I sold half my stocks going into cash and put 10% into ETH only average cost 3011

sirporter

Noto also said they will be building an ETH L2.

aaj094

I would add ETH.

Green_Ad9723

Yes, something in SOL and BNB and ETH

VariatCA

He's busy still buying and scooping up more ETH on the way to their 5% market capitalization. Short-term he's probably thrilled he's able to buy so much sub-3k compared to the 3500-4900 prices of this Summer. He's not paying any mind to intraday market leverage games lmao.

OccasionalXerophile

Oh what a life, what a life it would be, If you were a Goblin buying shitcoins like me. We'd start with some BTC, maybe some ETH, Get drawn into the hype like everyone else. Later comes LRC, also some ALGO, Before you know it, were in a right farndago. Double down, DCA, this is the cryptocurrency way, Later come the bills we all must pay. After all said and done, were not salty like Trump's bum, And once the dust settles we'll rest our heads in the California sun.

Multipasser

Wait. Btc Will go to 45k. ETH prolly 1500.

ricosuave79

Tom Lee said BTC and ETH to the moon! What was it....like $200k BTC and $8k ETH?

Tilt_2Live

Every few years, the market wakes up to another breakthrough from ETH. 2017 initial coin offerings, 2020/21 DeFi and NFTs. In the meantime it chops sideways. Next up is RWAs, tokenization, and AI agents

Supaflyray

I was actually surprised by how much BTC bullish owns compared to Robinhood for example. She just went deep on BTC and ETH again, just in a different way if you ask me.

jawni

If they did, they certainly deserved the outcome they got. I had lucky timing and got my yearly bonus on that day, bought some ETH for $150 I think.

rs7272

I have no issue with them. Part of my crypto fund is in each. It's another avenue to get in the game for anyone hesitant to buy actual crypto. I'm toying with the idea of keeping most of my future investments in BTC, ETH and XRP in ETFs.

TraderFanFXE

So, BTC and ETH were not volatile until ETFs emerged?

MinimalGravitas

Looks like that figure might be bullshit - for October and November they have included items that have apparently reduced in price (e.g. 'gasoline') and missed other sections (e.g. food, electricity, medical care, transportation) that would normally be included. There are lots of other issues with the data that make it look basically worthless, here's a breakdown by a '.ETH' explaining all the red flags: https://xcancel.com/adamscochran/status/2001689709412844015#m

biba8163

> altcoins bleeding like hell… (always has been) **Alt Coin Mirage of Outperformance** Alts can outperform BTC: - When they are tiny/small marketcaps and are gaining prominence - When they dump to kingdom come and are lucky enough to recover Rookie Mistake: - Thinking that Alt that outperformed when it was a small cap will continue to outperform - Thinking your Alt is going to recover Veteran Mistake: - Thinking an Alt is outperforming when it is massively losing value to BTC in the long run - Thinking an Alt is outperforming when it only does a big move after dumping -50% to -90% and the net return if you held is significantly lower than BTC or any other traditional asset you could have invested in - *Example: ETH appears to be a big outperformer but it's an underperformer that only performs after a massive drop (-92% from ~$1400 to ~$80, $4,000 to $1500 last year, etc).* **Cryptos from mid-2017 when crypto became a big marketcap* | Crypto | Since Jun. 2017 | Since Jan. 2018 | Since Nov. 2021 | |--------|----------------|----------------|----------------| | BTC | ⬆️ +3509.08% | ⬆️ +434.83% | ⬆️ +31.43% | | ETH | ⬆️ +721.67% | ⬆️ +155.23% | 🔻 -37.97% | | XRP | ⬆️ +640.42% | 🔻 -43.33% | ⬆️ +51.73% | | DOGE | ⬆️ +4167.49% | ⬆️ +655.97% | 🔻 -52.88% | | LTC | ⬆️ +159.21% | 🔻 -73.10% | 🔻 -70.56% | | XMR | ⬆️ +851.05% | 🔻 -7.04% | ⬆️ +48.48% | | XLM | ⬆️ +482.15% | 🔻 -69.12% | 🔻 -47.75% |

biba8163

**Alt Coin Mirage of Outperformance** Alts can outperform BTC: - When they are tiny/small marketcaps and are gaining prominence - When they dump to kingdom come and are lucky enough to recover Rookie Mistake: - Thinking that Alt that outperformed when it was a small cap will continue to outperform - Thinking your Alt is going to recover Veteran Mistake: - Thinking an Alt is outperforming when it is massively losing value to BTC in the long run - Thinking an Alt is outperforming when it only does a big move after dumping -50% to -90% and the net return if you held is significantly lower than BTC or any other traditional asset you could have invested in - *Example: ETH appears to be a big outperformer but it's an underperformer that only performs after a massive drop (-92% from ~$1400 to ~$80, $4,000 to $1500 last year, etc).* **Cryptos from mid-2017 when crypto became a big marketcap* | Crypto | Since Jun. 2017 | Since Jan. 2018 | Since Nov. 2021 | |--------|----------------|----------------|----------------| | BTC | ⬆️ +3509.08% | ⬆️ +434.83% | ⬆️ +31.43% | | ETH | ⬆️ +721.67% | ⬆️ +155.23% | 🔻 -37.97% | | XRP | ⬆️ +640.42% | 🔻 -43.33% | ⬆️ +51.73% | | DOGE | ⬆️ +4167.49% | ⬆️ +655.97% | 🔻 -52.88% | | LTC | ⬆️ +159.21% | 🔻 -73.10% | 🔻 -70.56% | | XMR | ⬆️ +851.05% | 🔻 -7.04% | ⬆️ +48.48% | | XLM | ⬆️ +482.15% | 🔻 -69.12% | 🔻 -47.75% |

thebig_dee

Oh ya made this mistake. Alt coin was going in tandem with ETH. Then decoupled. Then liquidated.

ShitCuntMcAssfucker

I still get class action e-mails over 0.57 USD in Polygon left as dust on Celsius network. Was glad I pulled out when I did. Extremely valuable tool for degenerate gamblers during the alt season in 2021 when DEX was exploding. I borrowed against ETH to ride PancakeSwap and Bunny before the rug pull on Bunny exploded. Haven’t thought about crypto loans since. I did it once, and was lucky enough to beat the bear run… I’ll never be so lucky again.

Nabukadnezar

Even not investing is a better choice. Except maybe in ETH for those with large time horizons.

admin_default

Just buy Bitcoin. Maybe some ETH if you’re feeling adventurous. The rest is worthless.

Ecstatic-Oil-Change

Meh, I see potential with ETH. Solana too. XRP and XLM are the wildcards. It’s not as if I’m investing in PEPE or Bonk, or Shiba.

biba8163

**Top Performers/Survivors from the Summer of the Flippening (2017)** https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/20170615/ | Crypto | Price Change | |--------|--------------| | DOGE | ⬆️ +4167.49% | | BTC | ⬆️ +3509.08% | | XMR | ⬆️ +851.05% | | ETH | ⬆️ +721.67% | | XRP | ⬆️ +640.42% | | XLM | ⬆️ +482.15% | | LTC | ⬆️ +159.21% | | ZEC | ⬆️ +3.34% | | ETC | 🔻 -32.61% | | DASH | 🔻 -76.10% |

PM_ME_YOUR___ISSUES

ETH up by a massive 0.01% We might finally be topping for this cycle. Thank you, Mr. President 👍

cecirdr

I put nearly all of my spare cash into BTC and ETH this year. But next year, I'm shifting to adding most of my spare money into my 403b instead. I'll still DCA, but at a much reduced amount. I'm only 7 years away from retirement, I need less volatility for the bulk of my money.

ElGatoMeooooww

Why is market maker shorting ETH without equivalent long. Thats not market making?

Swiftvoyager1906

TLDR: \- SoFi just dropped $SOFI-USD, their new stablecoin backed 1:1 by cash and Treasuries. It's supposed to be v safe, regulated from a national US bank and sorts \- This is first targeted at big enterprise payments, with plans in the future to hook it into their app for us, their commoner users \- Ties into their crypto push: already trading BTC/ETH/SOL in-app, borrowing against crypto coming soon They launched this at a great timing if you ask me, with Trump's crypto-friendly vibes and stablecoin laws making banks comfy jumping in.

AutisticGayBear69

So Elon Musk isn’t going to return 2x the ETH I sent him?

Sad-Mango-5363

i’d zoom out and separate 2 things: 1) “will it ever pump again?” – yeah, in a bull market almost anything can have a face‑saving rally, especially something as liquid and narrative‑driven as XRP. 2) “does the fundamental thesis still make sense vs alternatives?” – that’s where it looks rough: banks are building their own rails, SWIFT / JPM / stablecoins eat the same use case, and XRP’s been underperforming majors for years. if you wouldn’t buy it today with fresh money, that’s usually my cue to slowly rotate out on strength into stuff you actually believe in (BTC/ETH/whatever), instead of emotionally marrying a bag and hoping for 2017 again.

stories_from_tejas

You can look at the weekly candles on Bitcoin and argue we’re 20-30 weeks away from $135k. It’s very early for ETH in my opinion.

Numerous_Ruin_4947

It's likely it does not play out like people want. Everyone expected alts to have a major blow-off top in 2025. That did not happen, so now it possible everything will be different, and BTC, ETH and the other alts might not drop as low as people wish.

Hellstorage

surely bear for alts its time to buy the ones that actually recover Avax Sol ETH Atom Tao these are at super discount now and they have the highest chance of recovery. Atom fornthe sake of 16% native staking else not really worth risk. native stake all these tokens untill next run witch will eventually happen when no one knows but for sure its gonna happen probably when everyone gave up thats how market works. that being said it might go lower or it might not but atm most alts are down 60-70% witch is pretty good discounts and good for frst entry how ever DCA its your safest bet.

DrFaustusExtreme

What a stupid title. Gen Z or Millenials need to be better! Yes, we are in a bull market!!! All time high on every crypto. BTC with 299%, XRP 800%!!! ETH with 677% and Bitboy Crypto is sane making videos again! Go to sleep and don‘t watch anything crypto related for the next 12 months, kiddo.

Horror-Sector7498

ETH and BTC dips can be a good long-term play. For new coins, check the team, roadmap, and real use cases — fundamentals matter more than charts. Always manage risk.

VariatCA

Aside from isolated instances, Alts, and even moreso memecoins, almost never run without Bitcoin's momentum carrying them. That's even less likely while BTC is in a constant state of flux and uncertainty, as it spent much of 2025. In less than one calendar year it's had two separate +30% downturns, one involving more macro-economic issues than the other but neither period immune from very serious concerns. Even now, stocks have been struggling to regain lost momentum since late October. Fueled by questionable confidence in AI investment sustainability, the Fed's October FOMC outlook and this upcoming BoJ rate hike, S&P is still down 3% from then (and the Nasdaq down twice that). Hopefully things can clear up for the next several months once the BoJ adjustment takes affect this week, but Crypto is not going to make a run for it without confidence in the greater markets... and alts/memes won't run until BTC/ETH can regain their own strength and momentum.

Ok-Appointment4871

Hey brother, Just wanted to share my current DCA strategy and get some perspectives. • I’m buying ETH and Solana every day • €15/day into ETH • €2/day into SOL So far, I’ve invested: • ~€1,300 in ETH • ~€450 in SOL This is a long-term plan for me (not trading), and I’m focusing on consistency rather than timing the market. I like ETH for its ecosystem and decentralization, and SOL for its speed and growing adoption—fully aware of the risks on both sides. Not looking for hype or FUD, just curious: • Anyone else doing daily DCA instead of weekly/monthly? • Thoughts on the ETH vs SOL allocation? • Any lessons learned from long-term DCA in crypto? Appreciate constructive feedback 🙏

Neat-Gap-8383

Yes, Bitcoin’s volatility has changed as derivatives markets matured. But it has not been “killed,” and it is not structurally impossible for BTC to have fast moves. What has happened is volatility migration, not elimination. Short-dated options (including daily expiries) absolutely affect short-term price behavior. When dealer positioning is large, hedging can create pinning, mean reversion, and suppressed intraday ranges around key strikes. We see this in SPY, BTC, ETH—any sufficiently liquid market. That part is real. Options shape how price moves in the short term. Where the argument breaks is the leap from “intraday volatility is damped” to “BTC can never have large moves again.” Options markets influence paths, not outcomes. They smooth the journey; they do not cap repricing when real capital flows or macro shocks occur. Current data contradicts the “structurally impossible” claim outright. Even in the past year, Bitcoin has experienced drawdowns on the order of ~25–30% and multi-week directional moves tied to macro conditions, ETF flows, leverage unwind events, and risk-off regimes. That is not stablecoin behavior. That is a macro asset repricing under different volatility regimes. The SPY comparison is also misleading. SPY doesn’t move 2–3% most days—but it absolutely reprices materially over weeks, months, and years. The presence of 0DTE options didn’t stop 2020 or 2022. It changed the texture of volatility, not the market’s ability to move. Bitcoin is undergoing the same transition. What’s actually happening is financialization. Bitcoin is moving from a thin, retail-driven market with violent gaps into a deep, institutionally traded asset where volatility clusters around events, not random noise. Intraday chaos is lower. Trend moves still exist. Volatility has shifted from constant chop to episodic repricing. Also, volatility was never Bitcoin’s core value proposition—it was a side effect of immaturity. High volatility attracted traders but repelled long-term capital. The reduction in volatility is precisely what enabled ETFs, pensions, and balance-sheet exposure. That wasn’t an accident; it was a requirement. So the honest framing is this: Bitcoin is no longer a retail casino asset. Derivatives and institutions compress short-term volatility and reduce reflexive blow-offs. That makes fast, random pumps rarer—but it does not prevent sharp moves when macro, liquidity, or positioning regimes change. Volatility hasn’t died; it has become more conditional and more macro-driven. If someone’s thesis depended on Bitcoin behaving like a penny stock forever, then yes, that version of BTC is gone. But that’s not structural death—it’s market maturation

raj6126

So you’re telling me if ETH stayed POW they would have had over 200k active traders? I’m estimating 200k miners but probably higher. I can see where they screwed up!

ProfessionalNaive601

With my luck, my 2010 purchases would butterfly effect ETH to be worth $1,000,000,000 and BTC to be worth $0.0000004

Enough_Angle_7839

Going all-in always increases emotional pressure, regardless of the asset. ETH around $3k can make sense from a long-term perspective, but timing alone rarely carries a position — adoption and fundamentals matter more than the entry candle. There was a recent long-term breakdown that looks at ETH beyond short-term price action — DeFi share, L2 scaling, and what would realistically need to happen over the next decade: [https://btcusa.com/price-prediction/ethereum-price-prediction-can-eth-reach-100000-by-2030/](https://btcusa.com/price-prediction/ethereum-price-prediction-can-eth-reach-100000-by-2030/) Not saying it guarantees upside, but it helps frame ETH as infrastructure rather than just another trade.

StartThings

When we count count L2s (which lighting is one of), in practice ETH is leading in volume, data and raw number of transactions. By a huge gap.

thistimelineisweird

Past results do not guarantee future performance. Ever.  If anything, you should be alarmed about the diminishing returns shown in the "four year cycles" and start being concerned what will happen when institutional money finds the stock market, or even an alt, to be a better bet.  But your entire notion of PvP and PvE are completely illogical and are cherry picked arguments just because you like Bitcoin.  The price of any holding is determined by a balance of who is buying and selling. It doesn't matter if it's BTC, ETH, XRP, gold, food, anything. Prices will be set the way they are because people pay it. So, yes, you are at the mercy of what other people are doing 100% of the time.

PaymentFlo

For beginners, BTC and ETH are usually treated as the “base layer” because they have history, liquidity, and clear use cases,smaller coins carry much higher risk. Buying “because it’s down” only works if you’re willing to hold through volatility, not flip in weeks. Before buying any coin, look at why it exists (use case), who controls it (team, token supply), and how it’s used (real activity vs hype). New coins are mostly speculation, without history, fundamentals matter more than charts, and position size matters more than being right.

CM19901

ETH is King.

devCheckingIn

I guess, but... Dogecoin and ETH are actually used by real people for real things. BTC is just a theoretical "store of value", and apparently not a good one at that as of late.

async2

This affects pretty much every coin that hasn't moved to quantum secure algos. ETH, solana, they all have the same problem.

Scared-Metal9294

Thanks 👍 Why did ETH drop so drastically today? Can’t find anything that would cause the reversal. We were at $3k then total 180 and now we’re struggling to stay above $2800.

DigitalHierophant

A cornball will use the "you can't time the top or bottom" but you actually can to a degree. No one can time the peak top or absolute bottom. However, one can very easily get out at the top 25% of the top, side step the 50% falling knife, have a bottom be formed, then buy 25% of the bottom. Only thing I'm DCA'ing for the next 4 to 6 months is Gold. Then I'll rotate those profits back into BTC, ETH, SOL when some bottom is formed.

funkinaround

Wash trading is rife on Binance. > 50% [wash trading](https://www.nber.org/papers/w30783) for major pairs (BTC, ETH, LTC, XRP) with less traded pairs almost certainly having more wash trading. Heavy wash trading was part of the SEC lawsuit against Binance. You can't trust Binance's reported trading numbers as actual trading activity.

Taraih

ETH getting slaughtered

MiloMemeCoin

BTC AND ETH Are going into recovery stage and are looking good SOL and alts will follow SOL when BTC AND ETH Are in green will blow up and possibly alts will but slowly after 😀🤞🫰

ImthatRootuser

Can I buy ETH again at $1500 pls?

BusinessGoblins

LOL imagine buying ETH when it dipped 20% from it's ATH thinking it was a decent entry LMAO. Fucking clowns LMAO. I'm a clown.

No-Committee5221

My Recommendation: Exodus is ideal for beginners due to its clean UI and strong support. Guarda is great if you want broader token support and more advanced features. A- Strategy Option: Convert smaller assets into one or two low-fee coins (e.g., USDC on Solana or DOGE), then transfer. B. Conversion Tips Before Transfer - Use Binance’s Convert feature (not Spot trading) to swap assets with zero fees. - Consider consolidating into BTC + USDC or ETH + DOGE, depending on your long-term view and fee tolerance. C. Transfer Process 1. Install Exodus or Guarda and write down your seed phrase securely. 2. Generate receiving addresses for each coin you plan to transfer. 3. On Binance, go to “Withdraw” → paste the wallet address → confirm network (e.g., ERC-20 vs. Solana). 4. Double-check everything before confirming — especially the network and address format. D. Tutorials : - "Exodus Wallet Setup & Transfer Guide" - "Guarda Wallet Beginner Tutorial" Search YouTube with those keywords — look for recent videos with high likes and clear walkthroughs. If you need more help just ask.good luck.

FirstDavid

From a personal involvement point of view, look at someone like Saylor who used to say BTC was trash and now is an evangelist? What changed? Was he dumb before and suddenly smartened up? Or did he open a company that did ONE thing and so he does that thing. If BTC drops to zero, you think he personally goes bankrupt? Is homeless? Hardly. He'll just pivot. This is why calling it "smart" for a company to choose a simple strategy (buy ETH) and just do it is a misunderstanding. This isn't retail jumping in or even sovereign wealth funds managed by advisors making a strategic decision for their thousands of clients. I think it's just a company taking a bet on ETH. If it fails, the actual C-suite execs will be JUST fine.

HyperPunch

Buy Bitcoin and ETH and stop gambling.

DonkeyAsleep7884

Basically follow this and you will be fine. I would just add to limit yourself to like 20-30% of your portfolio when investing in altcoins (these numbers are very generous because in my case it's less than 10%). They may seem like the obvious plays for making money but if you check historical perormance, BTC and ETH are the only real winners in this market

jawni

ETH only had 90k DEX traders at peak, down to 30k now. About a 66% drop compared to Base and Solana both dropping 85%.