CC

trillionSdollarstech

CC is still a very asymmetrical bet even after it doubled. $5B market cap for the network that realizes all dreams that Ripple ($100B) always faked and never achieved

trillionSdollarstech

and CC (Canton)

PeachScary413

Buy CC_SALT, it's my latest coin and it's gonna be 🔥

Tasty-Process-7771

ma infatti, la sua tesi era che i soldi gli venivano presi ma essendoci questo "magico" numero in mezzo che lo nascondeva da eventuali controlli dal lato pratico.. come se, dico io, ci fosse una mega tabella con CC, numero carta e persona che l'agenzia delle entrate guarda ... gli ho spiegato che le cose son molto ben più complesse di così ma bho penso che a volte ci sia una regressione generale del QI per la serie ti va bene.. finché ti va bene... 🤣

Ztoxed

A healthy view for me is Crypto is Penny Stocks. Until or if CC ever becomes world dominated. Crypto is just a digital penny stock situation. Even Bitcoin is similar to some pennies that took off and did well. Pennies are risky just about the same as Crypto. Both you get pump/dumps. HODL, **FUD**, & FOMO lives in the lives of both these two models of investing. I mean Trump Coin was a huge example of what a Penny stock does.

workworkworkwork23

2019 holder here. Feels good to dip into the BTC after a bit of surprise expenses from the CC. Fucking paying CC interest rates

Wonderlustking1

CC debt.

wallyone123

The downvotes tell me I’m right. Inverse CC 🏆

Treebranch103

If we all want the value of this to skyrocket, we should all seek to exclusively transact using Bitcoins directly. I got the Coinbase Bitcoin CC recently as a start, but I’m talking rent, utilities, and receiving paychecks from our companies in BTC. Anyone have experience attempting to make that possible? Do we ask our companies for this and tell our landlords that if they want money, they need to have a bitcoin address? What about the utility companies and cities? Seems like not too far fetched of an idea to push for these things. Also, caveat, please humor me, I’m well aware this comment comes off as naive and that the IRS would hate this and things like that come with the territory- but hypothetically if there were enough people demanding it, how could it get going?

TexasBoyz-713

Least emotional r/CC investor

Hitchie_Rawtin

Shitcoin echo chamber effect, CC lost sight of what it used to be around 2020 unfortunately, now it's mostly SOL memecoin grifters or BTC & ETH maxis. Pretty sure 99% of people here have zero interest in the technologies that used to be discussed here anyway, project founders used to post and comment here regularly, they don't nowadays because it's become a cesspit of WSB cunts.

Relentlessbetz

Glad I did a balance transfer from a CC for 0% APR for 9 months a week ago to buy some sats. Im in the green for now lol

trillionSdollarstech

CC is up more than 10% today

Difficult_Can_1952

Canton (CC) has already done what Sphinx is trying to do.

trillionSdollarstech

CC climbing, probably because of the halving tomorrow

trillionSdollarstech

I believe that Canton is where there is money to make. It is clearly loved by the finance industry, used by more and more entities (B of A, DTCC, Nasdaq, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, BNY Mellon...) but it is so new to the plebs (us) that the price is still minuscule. I believe this is a huge opportunity. Canton burned a record of $1.04M in fees yesterday. This is considerably more than every traditional blockchain, including the leaders Solana and Ethereum (around $600k each) : https://canton.thetie.io The halving of Canton on January 12 will amplify the effect of this high usage, reducing considerably the daily supply of CC: https://www.reddit.com/r/Canton_Network/s/YrNXN7mNBk Canton ($6B market cap) does for real everything Ripple ($120B) always tried to pretend and never managed to concretize.

trillionSdollarstech

I believe that Canton is where there is money to make. It is clearly loved by the finance industry, used by more and more entities (B of A, DTCC, Nasdaq, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, BNY Mellon...) but it is so new to the plebs (us) that the price is still minuscule. I believe this is a huge opportunity. Canton burned a record of $1.04M in fees yesterday. This is considerably more than every traditional blockchain, including the leaders Solana and Ethereum (around $600k each) : https://canton.thetie.io The halving of Canton on January 12 will amplify the effect of this high usage, reducing considerably the daily supply of CC: https://www.reddit.com/r/Canton_Network/s/YrNXN7mNBk Canton ($6B market cap) does for real everything Ripple ($120B) always tried to pretend and never managed to concretize.

trillionSdollarstech

There is no VC paid in CC. You are misinformed. Only participants (validators and app builders) receive CC. Now, about exit liquidity, if Ripple propaganda could push XRP to $120B thanks to promises that never materialized in 10 years, why would people not push CC to $120B (×20 from now) thanks to the concrete adoption that Canton has materialized in a few months?

PirateSKB

>I have some CC too because I also want to make money Nothing's wrong with wanting to make monies my friend

trillionSdollarstech

> lol you really love your Canton don'tcha? Well I sincerely believe that this is where there is money to make because it clearly is loved by the finance industry, used more and more but so new to us plebs that the price is still minuscule. Now I believe that neutral networks like Ethereum is where the future of Finance should be, but I have some CC too because I also want to make money

trillionSdollarstech

Canton burned a record of $1.04M in fees yesterday, after burning constantly ~$900k in the previous days. This is considerably more than every traditional blockchain, including the leaders Solana and Ethereum (around $600k each) : https://canton.thetie.io The halving of Canton on January 12 will combine with this high usage to reduce considerably the daily supply of CC: https://www.reddit.com/r/Canton_Network/s/YrNXN7mNBk NFA : Canton ($6B market cap) does for real everything Ripple ($120B) always dreamt about and never managed to concretize.

trillionSdollarstech

No, you chose to see it that way because it threatens your investment in ETH or whatever. If you don't see the point of CC, then you don't see the point of the stock market either

Threemonkeys123

Centralisation has already occurred in some ways (regulations, CRAF, CGT) but if you don’t sell you don’t lose. I plan on waiting until it will fund my retirement goals (20 years+ yet) and then I’ll cash it all out and emigrate to a tax haven, while I’m at it I’ll mace all my CC’s too! Hehe

Lord-Nagafen

You are kinda stuck using OnePay with Walmart CC which a lot of people have. I’m still figuring it out but it seems to run all Walmart transactions through OnePay now that I have it

TheGDC33

It works just like a CC and allows one to spend their crypto as a Mastercard. Not sure if it is a traditional CC but it works like one and as stated worth looking up. https://x.com/ricomoneybags/status/2004420850171498585?s=46 Also I have CB One card can get up to 4% back in BTC rewards but based on OP post 🤷🏽

assembly_learner

Gemini CC having that 5% Bitcoin rewards during the dip was incredible timing and opportunity

TheGDC33

Xpxpay.com Dev just came out with a non KYC credit card with a max 10K limit. Great dude, great for the space and I watched the stream where he loaded the card in real time. Seems like a great off ram0 solution to research and see if it works for you. Also it is a Mastercard CC

West-Albatross6774

I would go (Personally) 50% Eth 25% Sol 15% LINK 5% ONDO 5% CC/Plume

Buckiller

Coinbase CC gives rewards in BTC.

99999999999999999989

Yeah the hype over this story is ridiculous and inaccurate. But if large numbers of major banks, CC companies, retailers, etc. starting adopting then the conversation would start. I don't see it occurring for real anytime soon due to volatility though.

kindaforgotit

HBAR will never take off, CC is the new thing

AprilsMostAmazing

Tried celebrating New Years the CC way, by working a shift at Wendy's. They told me to get out

trillionSdollarstech

Just buy some CC. Banks have found a blockchain that fulfills their needs and whose decentralisation is just good enough for them. Banks don't care about our dreams. It is not the type of blockchain that the crypto philosophers designed and not what the crypto bros used to shill, but if you want to make money, you have to be pragmatic and stop chasing dreams or memes.

neo-caridina

Got some LINK and CC this year. Will probably get some more if there's a hard drop in 2026.

Sin-City-Sinner

Me too, I have the track record of paying rent and all my bills for years and years, but I work for myself and I don’t have an LLC (yet) so I don’t have paychecks, no paychecks = you ain’t getting a CC period, even with 100k in the bank I use and applied through… what are ya gonna do! LLC!! Soon, and for “other” reasons as well obviously..

retroapropos

Bout 160k sats with gemini CC just from Christmas. That gemini card is dope. You buy something and then get a notification spent 50 bux in gas, recieved $2 in BTC.

trillionSdollarstech

CC this December. Still undervalued (4B market cap, the same as networks with little adoption like Avalanche, Hedera, Shiba, despite a massive adoption by banks and clearing agencies). I think 13B is a minimal target (the same as Cardano, a unused network). Probably higher

trillionSdollarstech

I would also consider some CC, institutions seem very interested in this network, it didn't have a run-up yet (and will have a halving in January)

STRYED0R

Cheers. I started my crypto journey on r /CC in 2021.Moons were a great gift. Learned alot, shared knowledge alot, and luckily, made a lot too. Never been active since those early months. Anyway, the regulatory battles are here. I really don't see a long bear (team correction) and when it goes again, it will be on top of stronger foundations. Then we get roast chicken!

Taraih

The CC did a corrupt lawsuit vs XRP, they wasted 4 years of this nonsense achieved basically nothing but a slamdunk against themselves. The dem admin refused to put in any regulation for crypto.

Putrid_Pollution3455

Yeah, I haven’t tried a balance transfer, if there’s too many steps I’m nervous the CC companies will screw me somehow. The last option is using a safe amount of margin against your other assets, but that’s a trick for when you already socked away a lot; example, you have 500k in VOO so you use margin up to 10% to toss 50k into IBIT

AmbivalentCvckfvcker

Cash deals are possible and probably the most convenient way to do it without KYC, if you're smart about picking the person who sells (and doing it in a public spot like a cafe, McD's, etc). Save that, you can buy BTC, swap to XMR, and then either hold or sell or swap to whatever coin you want (though XMR by itself is still excellent). That is not entirely anonymous because your CC will still be tied to a transaction like that. But you don't have to provide any ID when buying that way.

trillionSdollarstech

Well 2025 (and 2026) are the beginning of real world use cases, adoption. Banks, clearing agencies and funds are picking the blockchains that they trust. We see adoption news every week regarding Ethereum and sometimes Solana or Avalanche. Clearly, the finance industry does not choose Cardano. Despite the adoption news, the prices of Ethereum and the few others keep decreasing. They had their run up and I'm sure they will rise again after traffic corrects down (stocks and gold look like they are in a bubble and the investors selling crypto are probably afraid of the correction). Another promising token that you might want to consider is CC. Canton appeared out of the blue recently and is already used by several banks (even the huge clearing agencies DTCC and Euroclear) simply because it was developed discreetly by the banks themselves. CC didn't have a run up yet and has a minuscule market cap (around that of Polkadot's and 4 times lower than Cardano's), so I see potential.

PirateSKB

Pretty much every single one of those coins was a "flavor of the month" for CC lol Once hype died, most of those crashed hard

zemole464

Props to the Visa/Mastercard PR team for making people genuinely believe that. The lion's share of those fees isn't funneled into consumer protections but into excessive marketing, airport lounges, and maintaining their monopoly via suing legitimate competition into oblivion and lobbying for an even deeper regulatory moat. And even after all that, those vampires STILL operate at 53% gross margin. The fact that small businesses are state-sanctioned to raise their prices rather than be transparent and let customers know how much the CC company is skimming is a testament to that. And emphasis on small businesses, because those with the means negotiate much better rates. An option the rest of us don't have. That being said, I suppose I could reframe it to: Credit cards- full price Cash: 3.5% discount bitcoin: 6% discount Doesn't have the same ring to it, though.

WeekendQuant

I spend and replace whenever Bitcoin payment is an option and it makes sense to use it over CC

trillionSdollarstech

I'm talking about Canton, the topic is the properties of the network and lies about them. You bring the token (CC) in the discussion out of nowhere

kironet996

Sees "Sunday pump" spammed in CC daily. Checks charts: +0.45% 🤦‍♂️

trillionSdollarstech

> Lol Does it add anything to the discussion? > 'Blockchain governed by bank'. You got a clue what that even means Yes. Maybe the finance industry doesn't need a tool that is completely uncontrollable? They are businesses, not philosophers, so a consortium blockchain might be good enough, reassuring and ensures accountability. > why a coin for speculation might be issued out for retail? Well you should also ask why shares of banks and every company are available to retail on the stock market? As you know, that is a way to finance themselves. In the case of CC, it finances validators and application creators

trillionSdollarstech

CC (the token of Canton) and ETH deflate when the network is used (the fees are burned). So yes, you benefit from the growth of the network in terms of usage.

Assist_Lumpy

Really depends on your country but my go tos are Fold app and River TLDR: River - for HYSA savings paid in BTC and DCA FoldApp- for daily driver general use debit card % back and spot BTC buys , pay bills and get BTC back In depth: A lot of people search and search for the lowest fees which I mean hey that's great but I would say pick something that's easy that you like. Stacking sats even with some fees is stacking sats. Just stack over time and you'll be good. If you don't want the complexity of many amounts than you should do what your comfortable with River: - BTC only - amazing statistics layout - amazing support - one time fee on recurring buy, 0 fees after that ( fee for random spot buys) - low spread - high yield savings account that gives BTC interest. if you want to park some emergency fund - proof of reserves the first of is kind - you can automate buying and withdrawal - 1 free withdrawal per month - up to 100$ in BTC referral - phenomenal resource for educational material Possible cons: - people even myself have had issues with kyc I would recommend getting that cleared before buying. - America only FoldApp: - debit card with BTC back rewards (.25-1.5%) - you can load it with cash or convert BTC to cash when needed if you want to live primarily off BTC - you can pay credit cards with it and get % back - can purchase gift cards at 2-10% back in BTC - can buy sell and transfer BTC only - round up BTC buys - amazing support - 2% BTC rewards credit card coming soon! Waiting list referral BTC raffle - 20k sat referral signup bonus Possible cons: -tiered system with free and paid --- paid tier has highest rewards (100/yr) Paid tier also has 0 fees on buying selling and transferring --- free tier still has solid benefits. buying selling and transferring. Other exchanges: Kraken- I use them sometimes for other crypto they are really good. If you use the pro option it'll have lower fees than regular kraken Coinbase - I started here pretty basic but those fees had me move to kraken then fold then river. Pro has lower fees than regular coinbase DO NOT BUY FROM **BITCOINDOTCOM*** eventually you may want to move BTC off an exchange but start small start simple and just explore. Everyone's going to say do this and that but get the basics do your research and go at a pace you feel comfortable. Shameless plug: I have referrals for fold and river River - up to $100 in BTC ( from hitting different buy amounts) Fold app - 20000 sats after first purchase Fold CC - sign up for waiting list if you want to get sign up bonus hit me up. Finally stay safe and watch out for scammers. Don't just blindly follow links look it up and verify the URL before you go to a website. Easiest way is to Google the site name Stay safe and stack sats

VariatCA

Why else do you think such an insane majority-percentage of /CC don't own any Bitcoin? They're all chasing the 100x gains that youtube promised them in the destined alt season.

oogally

Is it? There's only a single time in 30 years of credit card usage that I can recall contesting a transaction and getting refunded. Also, it was only needed because credit cards use an insecure, pull payment system in the first place. If I added up 3% of every transaction I've made by CC in the last 30 years and was given the option to pocket that \~$20K versus save the single $150 fraudulent payment, I would take the first option every time. For me, it would be a 100x improvement.

oogally

Just relaying my personal experiences. I've made quite a few lightning payments where the fee was 0 or measured just in millisatoshis. Of course vendors and customers are welcome to continue with the 3% CC fee and chargeback risk if they'd rather not learn something new.

oogally

BOLT12 offer for refunds (part of the lightning spec.) Why would you want to claw it back? That's why final settlement of CC transactions can take months. It also introduces a fraud vector and drives up fees. It's a huge drain.

RamoneBolivarSanchez

Don’t forget these are Solana maxis and there’s a 97% they got into crypto in the past year lol. They have zero idea over CC’s historical sentiment with Ethereum or any altL1 for that matter.

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dmx442

WW3 r/CC: soooooo bullish!!!!!

Alatarlhun

Which these price prediction threads and context-less on-chain activity (e.g., nonsense) would simply be banned. r/CC needs to mature as does the rest of the crypto industry.

StatisticalMan

Payments is not the killer app in the developed world but paying for coffee using a stable coin in a Ethereum L2 is pretty much instantaneous, reliable, zero volatility, and nearly free. It just isn't a solution that those in the developed world care about. CC pay rewards and the fees are paid for by merchants.

-Monero

are CC mods sleeping or is this one of them?

Premium_Hunter

Premium collected goes into more IBIT shares (A different method to "Stack Sats"). Once I have 100 more shares I'll then purchase another LEAP to cover a CC on those.

Premium_Hunter

The LEAPS aren't there solely for profit, they are there to ensure I don't miss out on upside through capped shares. I bought them 2 years before expiry and will have them paid for through CC premium on the shares after 10 months. With 6 months left on their expiration I will sell them and buy new 2 year calls. In a perfect world BTC slowly creeps up, (with ups and downs along the way) I keep my shares, and I can sell the LEAPS for a profit as well. If they become basically worthless I will still end in the green on them because they allow me to sell CCs without worrying that BTC will have a +30% month and run away from me.

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In context I think it's a big deal, but you're right that it's not a huge TVL yet. BCH only added native, miner validated tokens (fungible & non-fungible) in 2023, and in doing so it enabled advanced smart contracts comparable to EVM chains: https://youtu.be/o0jeLBJOr8Y So we've only had a couple of years to start growing in that respect. BCH and its tokens also don't have a huge treasure trove of venture capital investment or initial token commitments dedicated to adding liquidity. It's all grassroots, organic growth. Additionally, there were still some extremely limiting restrictions on smart contracts until this year, 2025. But with the VELMA upgrade, the virtual machine's limits have been reworked to allow for **much** more complex constructions, while actually making the worst case scenario for an attacker trying to burden nodes **better**. So it's just this year that we got our first over-collateralized algorithmic stablecoin. And stablecoins are extremely important for a DeFi ecosystem. (USDC and USDT can launch on BCH if they want, but as far as I'm concerned they can keep their fiat-centric trust-me-bro easily-inflatable stablecoins the heck away =P) https://www.moria.money/ - live on mainnet today https://parityusd.com/ - launching Q1 2026 So the parabolic increase in Cauldron's TVL looks like a very healthy sign to me, even if it isn't huge yet. We'll see if it continues. If it does, I'll have this r/CC thread to point back to when crypto bros everywhere are wondering "Why was nobody talking about this???"

bbatardo

You can always hedge yourself with a few puts if you are worried about any further downwards pressure or you can sell CC's above 58 which can limit your potential gains if it ever hits, but fund your DCA.

apr911

I’ve done the “bulk gift card purchase” when my CC’s have given 5% Cashback at certain retailers. It always gets a look/question because it is a high target scam… Ive learned to exert positive control over the conversation and head the questions off. If I wait for the questions to be asked, I’ve already increased the likelihood that they’re going to say no. If I am then evasive about why Im doing it and tell them its none of their business, Im just increasing that probability further… If instead I walk in and say I know what I’m doing and why I’m doing it, I know for sure Im not being scammed and know you are going to ask some questions anyway in an effort to protect me (and the vendor) from being scammed, I usually can get away with not having to explain myself any further than the vague “I know why I’m doing it and that’s all you really need to know” though I dont really mind disclosing that Im buying gift cards for vendors I frequent regularly for the bonus cashback spend Of course gift cards purchased with a CC are a particular challenge for vendors because the CC might try to do a charge back.

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OverallHearing5

Hey CC how goes the year of the crypto president? For those of you who got excited, Is it as good as you expected?

VariatCA

Lol even the optimistic topics on /CC with hundreds of comments are filled with basically 99% bearish or dismissive sentiments. People are growing depressed and impatient with the price action, and don't want to see the steady buildup in positive macro-economic / crypto-specific factors accumulating.

VariatCA

That's not what this place is lol. /CC is 95% people who only bought Alts, Memes and Shitcoins for the last 3 years without ever buying a single Satoshi-worth of Bitcoin, then watching as BTC's choppiness destroys their alts.

himtnboy

No, I am saying "instead of selling your btc to pay off a credit card, borrow against your btc because 6% is probably a lot less than your CC interest rate." Once you pay off the btc loan, you get both a zero balance and your btc back. If btc goes up from here, which I believe it will, you can keep refinancing your loan and get your btc back quicker. I am investigating doing this.

TheFudge

Couple of tips. Don’t ratchet that debt back up, and what you were paying towards CC payments put into BTC.

AnyHoleIsMyGoaI

i use 12-18 month 0% CC Balance transfers 🤷🏽‍♂️ been buying since 45k range

cryptoshaman420

I’ve seen people take out debt on CC to do this on this sub. So I just thought why don’t we do it in a better way.

firsthemic

Every time something like this happen, I always tell them I'm going to contact my CC and refuse the tx, then they refund. What do people gain by paying that much ? Inside trading ?

KlearCat

> Who said I have cc debt? You said cc bills. Or do you mean you pay off your CC every single month and never leave a balance that is charged interest? I willing to bet someone who is living paycheck to paycheck who chooses to drive newer cars "because they like the latest technology" and has a car loan because of it is also making other financially irresponsible decisions. Choosing a car you can afford isn't equivalent to serving on bread on water. But you do you. Go ahead and whine about how you are forced to lived paycheck to paycheck. Meanwhile many of your peers are living happy, fulfilled lives below their means. That's the major difference when it comes to middle class. People make similar salaries but some choose to drive new cars and some choose to drive an older car. Multiple that decision by many of life's decisions and you have 2 people, same salaries, and 1 has a full retirement portfolio while the other is wondering "How can anyone make it this world?"

mr_universe_1

Well CC is better than debit because you can generate more value having a good credit score and accumulate points for later usage just have to be more careful to not go over your budget. The car loan is just more of a comfort thing, yes keeping an old car will always be better financially, but I do enjoy driving new cars with latest technology. So it's like yes, if you compromise some things maybe you can save some money and have a better future but I think I prefer enjoying a good quality life while young than the opposite.

Puzzleheaded_War6102

Why do you have a car note or CC bills? Buy used car run it to ground and rinse/repeat is cheaper until you can budget and save a chunk. Also debit card and cash will help you track spending. This mentality is the problem, people who can’t afford rent want a new or almost new vehicle. I’m still driving my 2008 Corolla and 2019 Subaru till the wheels fall off.

Holiday_Return_4112

enjoy your ban i will CC you later

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It’s like sitting at home all weekend and you check your CC statement on Monday and there’s 4 pending charges somehow.

turribledood

There's plenty of stats available about LN and they all show the same: absolutely fucking no one uses it. There are only 43,000 total payment channels open on LN right now, so 43,000 pairs of senders/receivers out of the ~100M or so estimated BTC owners. Once you account for "whales" involved in numerous different LN channels, only something like ~0.001% of BTC owners are engaged in small payments via LN. For perspective VISANET blows through 43k payment channels every ~5 seconds on average, all day, every day, and that's only 1/3 of all global CC transactions. And it's never going to get THAT much better, because the entire premise of LN is just the same old shitty international correspondent banking system we have now with pre-funded accounts and delayed settlement, except instead of only needing 1 channel between 2 banks to settle many people's payments, you now need 1 channel between each individual pair of users, so it's actually vastly less efficient than status quo. Tl;dr: BTC is only marginally better for micro transactions than physical gold.

retro_grave

Biden mentioned in one of his speeches, might have been state of the union, trying to tackle outrage middleman fees. AFAIOO, bubkis came of that. CC companies are reckless in their theft and we just continue to let it happen.

richawn14

Hold on… if you though up Morgan wanted your money you’re mistaken.. those low interest rates serve landlords for luxury apartments… They don’t care about the common mans money in a bank account, they only wanna keep you in debt with CC, loans, mortgages, car loans, etc.

imfuckinglying2u

Cycle: *ends exactly on schedule* Price: *goes down* CC veterans: *surprised pikachu face*

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Buydipstothemoon

Explains the hate on some coins and a reason why inverse CC is a real thing 😂

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RosieDear

Ok, so folks are gonna max out their credit cards if interest rates (for CC) are 18% instead of 22%? 16% instead of 18%? I don't see it.

Acceptable_Primary56

Been holding since 2017. Sold most around $108k, after the Oct. 10th dump. That marked the end of this bull market for me. I put the majority of it in CC ETFs for income. Some of it is in cash, for taxes and to buy back in later (around Oct. 2026, when there's a big green weekly candle that clears the previous 6 candles).

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Zealousideal_Air8473

Coinbase is good, fees a little high. Keep Dold on your radar. Could just get account at Gemini, CB Etc. get one of their credit cards and use fiat for everyday spending while stacking satoshis on the with their CC rewards

chance_waters

Your first post about crypto was 4 years ago complaining you missed out on Doge coin. You have 0 Moons on CC. I think it's fair to say I've been through a lot more cycles than you.