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tinypecker2021

Freaking r/CC shilled it to you too? I'm 88% down on LRC

djmoblei

There was a post yesterday of a guy who couldn’t afford the gas fees to bridge back his TON tokens. Imagine CC people paying $30 a pop for a trade on Uniswap, not gonna happen.

AkTx907830

Saw it last night during the basketball game. ..doom and gloom advertising. I’ve gotten to the point where if I see commercials it’s for a failing company’s ..peloton,Etsy,Taylor swift,EV, …advertising is expensive especially for sporting events. remember all the advertising right before CC tanked a few years ago at the ATH.

IAmHippyman

What happened to inverse CC? Only when it's not the community shit coin. lol

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TyroneWallinson

Lol facts. Another example of inverse CC coming 🔜

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ftball21

Moons were only bullish because they had the backing of Reddit. CC is not a strong enough sub to propel moons.

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liquid_at

I can only tell you that the content of the article and the headline do not match. The article does not say anything about him wasting the money but directly contradicts the claim. I'm not a judge. I only comment because I have a cultivated hatred for clickbait spammers who intentionally try to mislead people by spreading lies for the simple reason that they want ad revenue. In a legal context, it does not matter what he bought while misappropriating funds. Even if he had gone to the casino and made a quadrillion dollars with it, it would still be illegal misappropriation of funds. And since that was a modification to the original title done by OP, I would like to see a CC-Sub where Mods use this kind of behavior as a reason to issue perm-bans.

mutinomonem

Also CC has NFC chip onboard and active so you have to disable that and hope it doesn't get exploited. Most are running CC out of box thinking it's airgapped when it's not because if every connection method was a like a locked door to a house, NFC is just a massive hole in the wall. I wouldn't buy a "cold" wallet with that option.

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Frogolocalypse

There's the node traffic and the lightning traffic. Each of them approach that in different ways. My use case? In Oz, we have living room of satoshi. I sometimes want to pay for something not on my CC. i can pay that bill or pay that poker buy in, and because it's lightning, the bitcoin that was used to fund the channel is disconnected. I'm an honest guy. I do this for the privacy. I pay my taxes. But the bank doesn't know who I pay poker with. and I don't care what you think about that.

explosiveplacard

Just moving to CC. Ledger has been good but they have made some stupid decisions lately.

snowmanyi

How much do you need? You can get a 21 month 0% Apr CC.

explosiveplacard

I just finished consolidating 28 UTXOs into a single transaction and moved them to my CC. Was able to get it into the next block and it only cost me about $22 - For the size of the transaction, I consider this pretty low.

Halo22B

It sounds good but the risk is...CC debt is consumer debt. Shit happens and you lose your job for a year, you walk away from your CC debt. But nope, your line of credit is a HELOC. Now if you don't pay, they take your house...all for 20k of CC debt (sure you could sell the house but it's a down market, and it was a one of a kind etc etc) The same thing could happen with your BTC loan. Plus you have unknown volatility as well. Example: you have .5btc. price is climbing but typical pull backs...it hits 300k and holds there for a month....you think the time is now. You lock in your .5BTC at 40%ltv. So you got 60k USD 5 yrs to repay at 5% (this is an overly sweet deal) so 75k to pay back over 60 months...1250$month.... So you start paying... Month2 price of BTC jumps to 500k....mother effer you could have got more money.....Month3 price falls to 250k...phew glad you locked in you got more cash, but it's a price dip and your still paying 1250 so no free cash to buy more corn. Dammit should you deploy your 60k from the loan, ughhh stress. Wait it's going lower you tell yourself. Month 9....price has been dropping for awhile and you haven't had any free cash to buy more corn. Price is down to 120k so you still feel good and you feel now is time to deploy the 60k (you'll "own" a whole BTC)...but the call comes in your loan is out of spec. LTV is out of whack and they want 20k$ to make it safer....you read your fine print and see they are right....thank goodness they called today and not tomorrow after you spent the free cash or the day after when you were going to Aruba and w're unreachable... They would have force sold you. No worries you still got to buy an extra 1/3 BTC. Month 10...price is drifting lower and you start hearing rumblings that there might be job layoffs at work....you wish you had the extra 1250$ loan vig to start an emergency fund for potential job layoffs....oh well you always landed on your feet before plus you got that 1/3btc for emergencies. Month12...dammit laid off...and still paying 1250$ Month 16....still no job...and with the price dropping on BTC you only have .1btc left after covering loan and living expenses Month 18....BTC price drops to 60k...your delivering pizzas and barely making ends meet but then the phone call comes... LTV out of spec they need another 20k. Your busted. You got no BTC Thanks for listening to my Ted talk

JustStopppingBye

>oracles News flash, no one here knows shit about oracles. No one even knows chainlinks v.02 staking went live today. CC is obsessed with L1s and L2s.

mutinomonem

I agree with you and I'm glad you point that out. It's why so many bitcoiners ditched glacier protocol, realising the difficulty of truly air-gapping anything. All hardware wallets effectively airgap by default. They're purpose built hardware with only one task and this keeps the code small and threats low. However you connect to them, you have to trust the devices you're using will protect your seed. This is why I don't like the "it's airgapped bro" reasoning. You buy a hardware wallet because you want to benefit from the protection of a team of industry professionals following best practices to secure the seed. You have to trust them to do their job. You use a CC, you are trusting Coinkite. It's defo not a beginners wallet and for me, not a singlesig option. If anyone reading my comments thinks I'm just picking fault with CC, consider this; there shouldn't be so many faults. Would you bank with a questionable bank?

Lunar_Horticulture

CC Moons….

mutinomonem

Without giving specifics, (that's up to you) for significant amounts; Multisig 2o3 with different devices from different manufacturers, differing signing methods, a mix of USB, SD, QR For smaller operational funds just any mainstream usb hardware wallet. Every device has pros and cons, there's no real right or wrong. Seedsigner is my fav singlesig QR device. Bitbox is a really nice USB option. For beginners I'd go with ledger, trezor or bitbox02. Ledger out of box seems easiest for all those I've worked with. I'm not saying CC is a bad wallet as such, just people need to actually acknowledge it has flaws. It's not universal, perfect or even the right wallet for a lot of people. Many people advising others here haven't even got enough in bitcoin to be serious enough about their own security.

NonRelevantAnon

I'm from Canada so I primarily use a passport visa infinite from Scotia Bank and get a free flight and accomodation worth of points cause of all my traveling I do for work. For my daily card I have another visa from them that give me 4% cash back on groceries. I just got 1100$ in cash back in November. So even though the card costs me 200$ a year I get 900$ in cash back just for spending money I would have already done. I know Eu has shit cc but there are still some points cards that could be good. AMEX cards are also really good. But yeah it all depends on your country of origin what CC are available for you.

Dettol-tasting-menu

That’s true. Not defending CC by any means. And like you said in the other comment CC will probably move more slowly than other FOSS projects. When that day comes I will simply switch. I have used Trezor, Ledger, Jade and CC, so far CC seems to be the most solidly built (hardware wise, no clue on software vulnerabilities) and feature rich. And I also believe that when there is potential risk being identified (similar to Trezor being physically cracked) we would know about it. Most people don’t have the expertise to read and understand its code but it’s safe to assume somebody will. Of course we also run the risk of that someone turns out to be malicious. If people find themselves losing sleep over these risk, multisig should effectively mitigate it.

Dettol-tasting-menu

The only difference is that CC code cannot be reused by someone else for *commercial* purposes. Other than that it’s the same as FOSS. I think they should make it clear that their codes aren’t FOSS, and clarify the differences etc… but in terms of code security I can’t imagine why it would be any different from real FOSS. Anyone can still read and pick apart the code and study it for weaknesses and vulnerabilities.

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throwaway_clone

And if anything, OP should do inverse r/CC, meaning just buy BTC. This being the top comment really just shows how bad the sentiment is.

NonRelevantAnon

Why waste money buying vouchers instead of just using a good travel cc and rack up points just by spending then at the end of each month sell BTC to pay off CC.

AnonyApril2022

That seems like a solvable problem to me, and that for the benefit it gives over the conventional system, using it for money is also rather questionable. Like it can do a couple of unique things, sure. But being real about it, those aren't actually things that are relevant, useful or needed for 99% of the population in 99% of circumstances. On almost every real use, if your location has a stable currency, internet and CC clearing infrastructure, for daily use crypto is just worse than the conventional system. Can it get better? I do think it can. But now? I think that it is a problem to be addressed.

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CrispinDeGlover

You can apply specifically for those balance transfer checks though? At least I think that balance transfer checks is the way to achieve this? Otherwise if you apply to a new CC, doesn't that balance transfer just mean you are transferring CC-1 to CC-2.

Halo22B

Don't buy through a wallet, buy on an exchange and send to a wallet. Sparrow pairs well with ColdCard Some of those wallets are Lightning wallets, CC is on chain only You seem like you are pretty new, maybe spend some time learning before making a big mistake.

PM_ME_ONE_EYED_CATS

Reverse CC sentiment always works.

Kitten_Team_Six

Hope this works out for you. Fuck the corrupt US govt and fuck the CC companies

Fabulous_Winter1256

Above 37k The Federal government is in deep trouble. The ten year treasuries running to 5% recently were a warning. Official government debt is closing in on 34 trillion dollars. The politicians are now working to keep the game going for as long as possible. Who wants to be in office when the Fiat enters hyperinflation? This is a bold genius move with the credit cards. For the uninformed reading this, CC defaults roll off your credit record in 4-5 years. Debt is only valid in the nation in which it is incurred.

Ab2us

isn't this considered a cash advance not a balance transfer? to my knowledge you can only transfer a balance from a CC to another CC account.

PoisonWaffle3

I also did the same with $50k in CC balance transfers. Got in at $17k early this year.

PoisonWaffle3

Who needs a credit score when you've profited a couple hundred grand? It falls off your credit score in 7 years anyway. I did the same thing as OP, for context, but I do plan on continuing to pay off the $50k in CC debt once I cash out. The goal is to turn it into $250k and profit $200k.

IAccidentallyCame

Yep if he doesn't have real assets that can be seized, just don't pay it back lol. Provided it's all from big banks or predatory CC companies, and not small credit unions.

Darth_Dire

Where was this conviction at 16k? I stuffed my IRA at 17k. Plan on doing the same first thing Jan 2024. But I wouldn't be maxing CC at this point.

JeremyLinForever

By then he will probably have enough to pay it back if BTC skyrockets to $60-70k+, or not pay it back if it goes down and have the CC companies settle for a lesser amount should they choose to.

Mangocat81

A lot of CC companies offer this. Blank check that can be written to anyone.

bigocreddit

The US government has printed and given at least $100B in military support to other countries in the last 2 years. So over the course of November I've opened up every single 18mo/21mo intro APR balance transfer CC on the market and I'm taking all the fake credit available to me and giving it to bitcoin. Maxed out every single card. max from Citi Simplicity max from Citi Diamond Preferred max from Citi Double Cash max from Wells Fargo Reflect max from Chase Freedom max from US Bank platinum max from chase slate edge max from bank of America BankAmericard None of these credit limits are real. Only the bitcoin in cold storage is real. Will Bitcoin be above 37k around May 2025? lets follow up then and see if this works out.

Gr8WallofChinatown

CC only shills.

InfinityDoesSilph

Inverse CC strikes again?

LooseLikeCreamedCorn

CC users: "we are not defense, we are here for le tech!" CC users' "omg le moon just formed the cock and ball pattern! Pump my bagg!! 👁️👄👁️"

ClassicCaregiver7274

There are pros and cons in both sides. If we talking about banking system for example in many countries all around the world there are "extra" bank charges like maintain bank account (usually monthly cost), currency conversion via bank transfer(transcontinental currency transfer time is cost itself), in many banks you pay monthly for visa/mastercard monthly and many more. So if you add things up it's makes pretty prenny. Right now CC is good addition to current banking system, but future will show if it can surpass banks.

lordsamadhi

Supply and demand, as has been the case for millennia. What stops them from raising it 3% now? Nothing. And they do it. But eventually people go elsewhere. That's capitalism. Removing the 3% CC fee just gives the free market 3% more breathing room.

ConnectAstronaut2639

I get what your saying. But in order for it to take off in developed countries, the benefits would need to be for the consumer, not the merchant. We have USD and credit cards. When I go to a restaurant even if they took bitcoin it’s easier for me to use a CC cause I dont have to figure out running my own LN node + I get 3% back. Why would I want to settle right away when I can get a free 30 day loan from a CC + points?

Sufficient-Evening14

Thanks for the very clear/direct responses! Just so I’m getting this right. It sounds like there is a list of receive addresses loaded onto Sparrow from the CC SD card via JSON file. Then even tho the CC is disconnected (air gap), you can go on the CC to review the list on the CC and compare it to the list on Sparrow to make sure the specific address you are seeing/sending to via sparrow matches an address on the list on your CC?

senfmeister

>It seems that the Sparrow software could be hacked/corrupted in some way to change those XPUB addresses to point them at a hackers wallet and not yours. The Coldcard has an address explorer so you can confirm the address you see in Sparrow matches one the Coldcard says it has. That's definitely a best practice for receiving large amounts. >Just seems needing that 3rd party app opens up another attack point outside the excellent security of CC. Third-party and first-party apps are basically the same. They're both apps running on other hardware. I like the model of people focusing on what they do best—hardware for the hardware people and software for the software people.

Sufficient-Evening14

Ya, it seems like the SD card is something to just figure out. It seems like you can receive BTC air gapped because to receive BTC you export your XPUB (receive addresses) from the CC to Sparrow. From there you have a bunch of address you can send BTC to and it will all end up in the same wallet controlled by the CC. It seems that the Sparrow software could be hacked/corrupted in some way to change those XPUB addresses to point them at a hackers wallet and not yours. Has this happened and/or is this a real concern? Just seems needing that 3rd party app opens up another attack point outside the excellent security of CC.

senfmeister

>Using USDB vs SD would eliminate the air gap, correct? Right. >How big of a deal is it to not air gap? It seems like CC is very secure even without the air gap. Still secure, it's the model that many other hardware wallets use. It's also very, very easy to transfer files with an SD card to maintain the air gap though.

Sufficient-Evening14

Using USDB vs SD would eliminate the air gap, correct? How big of a deal is it to not air gap? It seems like CC is very secure even without the air gap.

Braveliltoasterx

Listen, if MSM is pumping BTC/CC you have got to be ready for a massive butt fucking. It's easier to naked short BTC into oblivion with this new ETF while us retail traders are holding the bag.

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Thanks for all the info! I’ll be sending from Ledger to CC. How did you send to CC? Was it cutting/pasting addresses with Sparrow?

Available-Wheel6335

Everything was extremely straightforward. The Coldcard has two options for signing transactions. One as you know is through the SD card. The other is through NFC capability. The device is super well designed and well built. Set yourself up on Sparrow and buy a CC MK4. I promise you nothing about using the Coldcard is difficult. Best wishes.

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You used a CC? Most US banks don’t allow CC for crypto purchases. Debit/ach/wire, those are all fine.

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s1lv3rbug

If she wants to watch painfully lose 20k. She can invest in covered call ETFs and earn money every month. There are bitcoins CC ETFs as well.

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HerpFaceKillah

You all know this by now. Inverse CC is what makes you money

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reversenotation

Reddit name is RickRibera.. his ideas are there on CC meta

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moldyjellybean

Back when there were games and defi on Harmony One I used it. Transactions took like 2 seconds, fee was basically free. Now it’s a ghost town. Not sure how it would scale though But with my CC I get a lot of buyer protections, points etc. I know that comes at a cost. So if they had a CC price and crypto price that was cheaper by 5-10% I might pay with crypto otherwise if it’s the same price I’d take the the CC option all day ( I now they usually charge like .20 + 3% to merchants ?)

superduperdude92

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Zagorjl

Look Coneheads on CC!!!

superduperdude92

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CyberCurrency

Amazing. Leave it to r/CC to figure it out.

cryptowalter4572

It was a year ago that I moved from Ledger to Coldcard. Only after coming to know (and love) CC did I realise how little I knew about btc and btc wallets. They all work on basic principles. Don't expose your seedphrase, don't lose your wallet or seedphrase and run a clean machine.

Ectophial1

Inverse CC always wins

XBB32

I always do the opposite of /CC 😉 I'm pretty happy with my 400m2 villa in Switzerland and my lambo 😅

someguyrando

Lol FTX goes bankrupt: “HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?! WE NEED MORE REGULATION AND SEC SHOULD BE ASHAMED” SEC starts regulating: “WTF?! WHY ARE THEY REGULATING EVERYTHING? SEC SHOULD BE ASHAMED!” CC is a joke. We need regulation. SEC’s strategy is stupid but nonetheless we need regulation. Period.

lostharbor

CC is loaded up with clowns.

superduperdude92

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AnusWithEbola

Didn't even know you could earn moons anywhere else other than CC

cannedshrimp

Ah the r/CC ecochamber of complete bullshit.

feric89

I’m not implying that I didn’t post this to other subs. I’m stating it as a fact. CC is the only sub I posted this to. Show me any evidence that says otherwise. Me asking you to answer questions isn’t spinning anything. Seems like you realized you put your foot in your mouth and are too stubborn to say “whoops, jumped the gun on that one, my bad, I was wrong”. No worries. That’s why I wrote the INB4 in my original reply. Typical