MSTR

tjackson_12

Just let them buy VOO… MSTR is already on the nasdaq100. It’s only a matter of time when they will be forced into exposure through their own investing solution as more companies adopt bitcoin.

hirako2000

So what happens when retail investors freak out (let's say BTC crashes by over 50%) and dump MSTR?

alfapredator

it's not a fund. he prints extra shares of MSTR to sell to retail investors.

speedingmedicine

I know I know but this time really is different. MSTR making 1/2 billion to 1 billion weekly. Other companies following suit and buying BTC to establish a BTC Treasury. This is all different than previous cycles.

acorcuera

Now include MSTR when it became a Bitcoin treasury company.

biba8163

You still haven't got a clue do you? > *"ETFs, MSTR, etc account for a lot of the inflows. This money is not going to leave BTC seeking greater return on Alts"* > **I argue that the ETFs don't change the price at all.** We have seen it for enough months: no price increase the days the ETFs have big inflows (BTC as well as ETH). /u/barthib https://np.reddit.com/r/ethfinance/comments/1gq6ahm/daily_general_discussion_november_13_2024/lwymxl9/ > *"Long term Ethereum is overvalued and has to fall below 0.01 BTC where it started because it is an Alt and every single Alt has followed that rule"* > *"Looking back at all most successful Alts:*" > - *"LTC started at 0.03 BTC in early 2013. It pumped and dumped and currently sits at 0.001*" > - *"XRP started at 5594 sats in 2013. It pumped and dumped and currently sits at 959 sats*" > - *"XMR started at 0.003 in 2014. It pumped and dumped and currently sits at 0.003*" > - *"ETH started at 0.01 in 2015. It's pumped to 0.15 and dumped to a current value of 0.04 which is still 4X higher than its initial value*" > **Oops, a kid escaped from the Bitcoin brainwashing school** /u/barthib https://np.reddit.com/r/ethfinance/comments/1f9ef5k/comment/llmkgtm/

PartBobPartRick

Because they hold MSTR for their clients who want exposure to bitcoin. If they simply allowed access to BTC EFT I reckon you’d see a decrease in MSTR Vanguard holdings

rgnet1

Smh. He doesn’t own the vast majority of the btc. His shareholders do, they fund all the purchases. The btc is custodied by other institutions. The btc isn’t lost when he dies. In some ways that’s a shame as it would definitely make the remaining supply more valuable! The risk of his death is if his successors decide to change MSTR operating charter. I haven’t looked but one would hope it’s airtight legally that they must stay the course regardless of leadership change.

Electric_Teapot-317

This'll be MSTR in a couple years

Timely-Block4814

I have a feeling it’s slowly positioning itself as a trusted medium for global trade. Thanks to the geopolitics and emergence of multiple economic blocs, the only medium that can be “trusted” will be bitcoin. Gold still needs to be stored somewhere physically under a sovereign jurisdiction (case in point - US has Germany’s gold). They can have their respective FIATs pegged to BTC. I know I am painting an extreme scenario but BTC can be a medium for countries to transact. The one thing I am still unable to resolve is, how the “haves” and “have nots” in the BTC world get a level playing field (MSTR, El Salvador and other sovereign economies without a BTC reserve)…

BitcoinBaller420

Yes, roughly speaking. Depends if MSTR's up trend is over coming the options premium being taken in by the fund. In general probably not best to use MSTY if your call is maximum capital appreciation. It's really designed for people who like Strategy, but want a little less risk (still very volatile!) AND who need cash flow month-to-month. Think retired bitcoiners who have monthly expenses to meet.

decomposition_

So it sounds like better case is when bitcoin is stagnating or declining? And when bitcoin is trending upwards it’s better to hold MSTR itself? (I know you might get better returns holding Bitcoin itself but I’m trying to diversify some of my dividend stocks in my Roth)

BitcoinBaller420

It's a little complicated, but the short answer is that they sell short-term calls on a big pile of MSTR shares to generate income. If MSTR trades flat to down (or even up slightly), the calls expire worthless and it's free money vs holding Strategy. If Strategy rips, the shares get called away and the upside is more limited for the MSTY holder. When they receive the cash (the strike price on the calls) for the shares called away, they reinvest it in MSTR. You're essentially trading upside for consistent income vs MSTR, though in edge cases it could be way better or way worse.

TheDopplerRadar

Same, holding 800 shares IBIT in my Roth and 100 MSTR

Puzzleheaded_Card_71

What about MSTR or IBIT? IBIT is a btc etf by the world’s largest asset manager.

taipeileviathan

Can you buy IBIT or even MSTR?

Woodstuffs

MSTR did it before the US Govt with Bitcoin... Just wait.

Caterpillar-Balls

Given holders like MSTR and other companies buying without selling, any major drop would be due to retail leaving, like the Trump Dump in April. Black swans only at this point

biba8163

> You know nothing, you’re not realizing what’s going on behind the scenes. This is you losing money thinking DOGE is going to $1.50... > **I got in at 23 cents** and I’ve made a nice profit. As others have said, have an exit strategy. > As for me? **I’ll probably sell at just under a dollar.** Maybe I’ll keep sone money in Doge, I believe **it could go to $1.50 sometime in early 2025.** https://np.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/1ha1g0b/comment/m15hysj/ ...this is me trying to save NOOBs like you from losing money > Noobs who weren't around in 2016 and 2020, you should know that 2024 looks very very different so far than at this time frame in 2016 and 2020. (Nov. 5, 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1gkfvzs/bitcoin_price_crushing_altcoins_heading_into_us/lvlrry1/ > The market is changing: ETFs, MSTR, etc account for a lot of the inflows. This money is not going to leave BTC seeking greater return on Alts (Nov. 13, 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/ethfinance/comments/1gq6ahm/daily_general_discussion_november_13_2024/lwymxl9/ > Each cycle is a bit different. Too many people are saying, just hold on to your coins, it's playing out exactly the same. (Nov. 13, 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1gqexix/why_are_there_so_few_active_users_when_btc_is_at/lwxx36a/ > Be careful of people telling you this cycle is playing out exactly the same. ETFs, institutional and mainstream involvement, memecoins, L2 options and ETH competitors, it's very different (Nov. 19, 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1gujmk1/daily_crypto_discussion_november_19_2024_gmt0/lxyt5pw/

TestNet777

As long as Tether keeps printing with no audit and as long as investors will hand out 0% debt to places like MSTR, it’ll keep going. But at some point the show will stop. Guessing when is an idiots game.

IcyDragonFire

It's an inorganic rise, driven by MSTR and other "strategies".    They won't be able to keep it going for long; anyone entering now will find out.

iceteka

Of all the big players, MSTR is not one I'd be calling out for market manipulation. They literally just buy and keep stacking

missmuffin__

MSTR only buys, if that's "manipulation" I'll take some more please

WasteFront1988

Not with btc directly. That’s a horrible idea. But I do own MSTR

SnooDonuts2975

Outside of my house I am 100% BTC and MSTR. Pension is 100% MSTR.

Nickeless

The shit MSTR is doing is not really the type of institutional investment most people probably had in mind. It’s obvious manipulation, to just keep raising more and more debt to dump billions and billions into BTC.

Eadie2021

Been around this game for awhile too. BTC and MSTR profit is going into TSLA, NVDA, and ARKQ. If I can 2x any of those in the next year, I will be happy! My son is selling all at 130k but I am riding it a bit higher🤞to 150k. Good luck with your house purchase. Exciting times ahead.

harvested

He is still fading MSTR. Imagine fading a company with 600K bitcoin.

Perfect-Strangers-0

To get fun with it: The Genius & Clarirty act along with the banning of CBDC’s will be bullish for stablecoins. Eventually the masses (who still can’t grasp BTC) will start flooding into ETH based treasury companies just as they did in MSTR a couple of years ago for BTC. (SBET, BMNR to name a couple). Even though they are fairly clueless in what they are investing in. This is all likely to create the alt coin rally that we don’t need or want, but will inevitably get. Ethereum leads the charge as its actual real world use case gets brought to light with the tech to run stable coins. (Although I’m sure some more speculative names will shine but will remain mostly useless). This could be an opportunity for BTC fud and if so, sets up potentially our last buy the dip opportunity before parabolic gains. My reasoning: I’m not a huge fan of ETH (or anything other than BTC) but I do recognize the real world applications that will come from it. It’s overall bullish for BTC as it will on ramp way more fiat $ into the digital rails with Stablecoins. This $ will eventually find its way to BTC because it is the best form of hard money the world has ever had. The longer term picture becomes more bullish for BTC. The world will become more used to crypto as a whole, starting with familiarity (USDC, USDT). But as American debt continues to grow and the interest on that debt creeps towards total federal tax revenues - BTC becomes the safe haven all of that liquidity runs too. In the event the U.S. kicks the can down the road and cuts interest rates, even better. BTC rips again 🚀 TL;DR - Bitcoin is Inevitable 🚀

harvested

Repost for ATH visibility: Keep in mind MSTR q2 earnings are posted in early August. They will post a net earnings of $11B or about $40 EPS. This is going to rattle some tradfi cages, and may result in more companies taking balance sheet positions. Furthermore, if Q3 ended today at 118K bitcoin price, their gain is already an additional $6.5B. This is the economic gunpowder Saife speaks of, because companies with the harder money on their balance sheet will out perform those that opt for inferior ones, to the point where it is no longer a choice.

JamesScotlandBruce

Yeah. I've heard of the sell high buy low strategy. I've also heard of the sell high and buy higher strategy. I've also heard of the sell at what I thought was high but the price never dips back and so I never buy back in and miss out on all future gains strategy. Depending on how reliable your dates for bull and bear are then will depend which strategy you end up following . GL. 😀 All I would suggest is that you limit what you sell at what you believe is the peak. If you start with 1 BTC. Sell 1/3 and use that money when BTC pulls back to a 2/3 of your sale price. Then you'll now have 2/3 + 1/3 + 1/6 - so you've gained 1/6 of a BTC - or about 16% BTC. Is it really worth it? Of course you could sell more and hope for a bigger drop but then the downside risk is higher too. And then there's always gains taxes too. I probably will sell some of my MSTR shares. Probably about 1/2. And maybe use that to buy BTC if there is a bear. But I'm not so keen on selling my BTC. I feel MSTR is higher risk and selling BTC is too higher risk that I'll never be able to buy it back for a significantly lower price To make it worthwhile

jonoghue

like MSTR lol

Profil3r

I went with MSTR in my retirement - 90%. It’s much more liquid. The taxes are already accounted for and I can get in and out of the account easily. I have thought about putting my personal account and all bitcoin so that my personal savings and transactions were managed from the Bitcoin account. I have not ruled it out, but I did want my retirement savings much more accessible.

WeekendQuant

I am all Bitcoin related investments. Mostly I manage leverage with IBIT LEAPS by swapping FBTC out during draw downs and slowly delever the calls during ATH. I am currently delevering. Otherwise I own MSTR and MTPLF. I've sold out my cost basis on both of them already and am letting the remainder ride. I have sell orders to trim some shares on MTPLF at a decided price and I will stick with that. Otherwise I sell calls against my MSTR and if the calls hit I don't buy back in. I'd consider buying more if I believed it was undersold. I think currently MSTR is fairly priced if not even a little under priced. I have no intent to add to my position. Rotating to Bitcoin is taking profits.

ThePersianPrince

I got banned from that dump of a subreddit for replying to this comment: “No salt. People wanna just make up shit for money? Ok. Ill announce something. I can do 10x in a day, this isn't a monetary thing. Its a fucking measure of how retarded the current landscape is” With this comment: “Have you even read the Whitepaper? Bitcoin isn’t just being made up, miners are being rewarded for running its blockchain. At what point of inflation will you accept that a deflationary currency is better than fiat? 10%? 50%? 100%? An international currency/store of value that is capped is genius, like a world savings account. I used to be a skeptic too then I started working in the industry and it really opened my eyes. Is Bitcoin exempt from criticism? Not at all, I worry what might happen with MSTR taking out so much debt to keep buying 600,000 Bitcoin. Hell BlackRock has 700,000 bitcoin now. At what point does this become real to you?” These people are stubborn and don’t want to have a real discussion, just mute the sub. You can have better discussions in other crypto subreddits that have a little more freedom of speech. Sure you’ll get downvoted to oblivion sometimes but at least you don’t get permanently banned after your first comment. 😂

RoyYourWorkingBoy

MSTR

spid3rfly

I ended up cutting the contribution to what they match. The excess gets spot bitcoin. I've tried to convince my employer for years to find a fund that contains GBTC(before mstr), MSTR(before the ETFs), and last year I started bugging them about the ETFs... They just laughed at me. 🙄😅

speedingmedicine

Anyone who has ever bought and held BTC for at least 4 years has always made the money. There are also those who say not to think of BTC in terms of FIAT value and look at 1 BTC=1BTC. I hold BTC and them expose FIAT to BTC through MSTR.

acorcuera

Yeah do what you feel comfortable with. It’s your hard earned money. Btw, I also have stop loss orders in my IBIT and MSTR to protect my downside. If there’s a big dip, I buy more.

acorcuera

MSTR has outperformed BTC since it became a Bitcoin Treasury company in 2020. MSTR has returned approximately 3600% and BTC 1200%.

RoyYourWorkingBoy

Can you buy any IBIT or MSTR with your 401k?

acorcuera

IBIT and MSTR is 98% of my BTC. MSTR will outpace IBIT easily. MSTR is 1.5 BTC leverage but it’s actually performing better. There’s MSTU AND MSTX that are leveraged MSTR. I’m not invested in those.

acorcuera

I’m 98% in BTC (Coinbase, IBIT, MSTR). MSTR is higher significantly.

acorcuera

Bitcoin proxy (MSTR) has outpaced Spot BTC (IBIT) significantly. MSTR is leveraged BTC.

acorcuera

MSTR price has outpaced BTC by a mile since it became a Bitcoin Treasury company. Be a BTC purist. I started 50/50 and now my MSTR balance is significantly higher. Not even close.

Every_Hunt_160

A couple of Wall Street funds are buying BTC? SaylorMoon/MSTR alone buys close to a billion worth every single week

speedingmedicine

Too many people sell into the rising. Just transferring their BTC to large companies. MSTR buys every week no matter what the price is.

Zombie4141

Which ones besides MSTR? most of the new companies that are buying up Bitcoin are brokerages like Fidelity, and black rock. They buy when their customers buy and sell when they sell. Then you have some hedge funds holding a bunch but they’re day traders not HODLers, plus they can usually buy insider trading knowledge you and I can’t. Then you have governments and companies who are holding it on their balance sheets. But these are traders too. Don’t think for one second if the market goes sour they won’t sell. What companies do you think are long term HODLers like MSTR?

CheeseWeezel

Serious question: you honestly think so? I was thinking/worrying about this the other day, if MSTR needs to liquidate all of their holdings (for whatever reason) would that not cause enough downward pressure (both economically and social capital-wise) to make other treasury companies consider selling?

Fit_Square_520

Yes. I stacked yesterday and stacking more today. Where better to store your capital. $MSTR on the side for me along with some $MARA for fun and to lend support to miners.

InstructionFast2911

It’s one of the yield max high income ETF’s, taxed as regular income so if you have a Roth IRA that shits incredibly lucrative. > The YieldMax™ MSTR Option Income Strategy ETF (MSTY) is an actively managed fund that seeks to generate monthly income by selling/writing call options on MSTR. MSTY pursues a strategy that aims to harvest compelling yields, while retaining capped participation in the price gains of MSTR. https://www.yieldmaxetfs.com/our-etfs/msty/ MicroStrategy owns over 500,000 bitcoins. Basically the ETF makes money off of options based on that stock. But for the most part microstrategy is heavily invested in bitcoin so the etf is very tied to it. There are other yield max ETF’s like ULTY which track more stocks, but the main pull is that they have very high distributions but high risk of depreciating asset value. This month’s MSTY distribution was $1.2382 on a $22 share price ETF. It distributed monthly. As long as it continues to distribute it’s extremely lucrative but volatile. And recently it’s been holding asset value well. https://stockanalysis.com/etf/msty/dividend/ /r/yieldmaxetfs

Fishnshoot

I honestly don't think the dude knows what he/she is talking about. Probably MSTY or MSTR, but regardless.. if there is a bear coming, how would he/she know about it in time to "be out of that position", and frankly, I'd see that as a time to increase my position on the cheap. These posts are getting so ridiculous.

dembinski12

MSTR holds the most bitcoin in the world

FoundationalSquats

Probably meant MSTY, it's a leveraged single source dividend etf that makes it's money trading MSTR derivatives. Paying like 135% dividend lmao.

North-Customer-8928

This is exactly why I bought some MSTR through my ISA as well as having actual SATs

bradwww

Do you mean MSTR?

StonyIzPWN

MSTR is incredibly under leveraged. Plus they've been through bear markets already

BitcoinBaller420

Buy MSTR to begin the stock portion of your bitcoin standard

RoyYourWorkingBoy

Saylor didn't buy another load of bitcoin, the shareholders of MSTR, etal bought it. You should correct that.

biba8163

It was obvious from July last year that "This time is different." The Alt Marketcap excluding Stablecoins had grown 10X to 25X in each of the previous BTC bullruns 1 year after halvening. This time, it shrunk. If you are looking at this data and keep telling yourself it's the same, math must be very hard for you or you've lost a lot of money and making yourself see things based on pure hopium. | Alt Marketcap | Halvening | 1-YR Halv. |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | | July 2016-17 | $2.05 Billion | $52.17 Billion | May 2020-21 | $74.81 Billion | $1.34 Trillion | April 2024-25 | $1.09 Trillion | $0.76 Trillion > Noobs who weren't around in 2016 and 2020, you should know that 2024 looks very very different so far than at this time frame in 2016 and 2020. (Nov. 5, 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1gkfvzs/bitcoin_price_crushing_altcoins_heading_into_us/lvlrry1/ > The market is changing: ETFs, MSTR, etc account for a lot of the inflows. This money is not going to leave BTC seeking greater return on Alts (Nov. 13, 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/ethfinance/comments/1gq6ahm/daily_general_discussion_november_13_2024/lwymxl9/ > Each cycle is a bit different. Too many people are saying, just hold on to your coins, it's playing out exactly the same. (Nov. 13, 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1gqexix/why_are_there_so_few_active_users_when_btc_is_at/lwxx36a/ > Be careful of people telling you this cycle is playing out exactly the same. ETFs, institutional and mainstream involvement, memecoins, L2 options and ETH competitors, it's very different (Nov. 19, 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1gujmk1/daily_crypto_discussion_november_19_2024_gmt0/lxyt5pw/

KateR_H0l1day

Been selling bits of my S&P500 for MSTR & MSTY last month, it’s paying off but it’s a gamble, my S&P500 is way up, since I’ve had it a long time, first time I’ve ever sold any. Certainly feels odd to me, but……. 🤷‍♀️

OldValdez

Agreed, I don't expect to see <100k again. I've seen a lot of longtime analysts repeating exactly what you've just said, basically that Blackrock, MSTR et. al. are having a stabilizing effect and that the 4-year cycle is dead.

k0unitX

MSTY generally underperforms equivalent investments into MSTR from a total returns perspective.

Extra-One-5143

Maybe consider MSTY -> BTC or MSTR. Instead of having the money locked it - let them work for you. TLTR: MSTY would pay monthly and you just DCA into BTC. do this for however long you want. Benefit is after 12-16m: House money from MSTY. + tax benefits in IRA. Quick AI comparison. With a few assumptions: BTC to 200k in 12m. MSTY equity does not erode(not very realistic but I can't predict that). Also, the div payment last month was low which I used here. But usually it's higher. So that balances it out. \------- AI math below -------- **MSTY DRIP INTO BTC** Initial Investment: $30,000 MSTY Position (12m): $30,000 Total Dividends Invested: $20,840 BTC Purchased: 0.140277 BTC Average BTC Cost Basis: $148,565 BTC Value at $200K: $28,055 ────────────────────────────────── Total Portfolio Value: $58,055 Total Return: 93.5% **BTC LUMP SUM** Initial Investment: $30,000 BTC Purchased: 0.254237 BTC Purchase Price: $118,000 BTC Value at $200K: $50,847 ────────────────────────────────── Total Portfolio Value: $50,847 Total Return: 69.5%

IcyDragonFire

OGs are dumping on the idiots paying a Saylor premium. The only shock will be when the latter see MSTR imploding.

whereismyface_ig

Thank you Which company is most like MSTR but for ETH?

SoggyGrayDuck

I saw something about Black Rock loading up on ETH. Previously the posts were always about BTC buys. I'm hoping this means they're seeing demand for alts spike. I actually wonder how well you would do DCAing into stable coins and just following MSTR and Black Rock purchases.

MichaelAischmann

The article is false. MSTR holds more than 500k BTC already.

harvested

Keep in mind MSTR q2 earnings are posted in early August. They will post a net earnings of $11B or about $40 EPS. This is going to rattle some tradfi cages, and may result in more companies taking balance sheet positions. Furthermore, if Q3 ended today at 118K bitcoin price, their gain is already an additional $6.5B. This is the economic gunpowder Saife speaks of, because companies with the harder money on their balance sheet will out perform those that opt for inferior ones, to the point where it is no longer a choice.

MichaelAischmann

MSTR is leveraged BTC. Outperforming BTC (in either direction) is kinda axiomatic over the long run.

CartoonistDazzling90

Me and my friend were debating if crypto stocks or physical crypto will do better. I say the beginning stocks but by the end crypto. For example MSTR did amazing till now. It will probably do well going forward but I think actual btc will rise higher and fast. But what about yall. Do you think btc miner stocks are ripe for the pick as btc launches or just the token? Also could apply to other like ripple vs. xrp. Better to invest in the coin ir companies??

impressivegentleman

How do people even short bitcoin? Shorting MSTR?

Worried_Creme8917

Oh and $MSTR owns ~2.6 of the bitcoin supply. Thats almost 6% of all the bitcoin outstanding at the moment held between two companies.

whammy_time

Vanguard doesn't sell e.g. BITO or GBTC but does offer MSTR. But otherwise, yeah.

astockstonk

Why not just buy IBIT? Or MSTR if you can’t buy and Bitcoin ETF?

speedingmedicine

Supply drying up. Companies like MSTR establishing BTC treasuries and adopting HODL

Hfksnfgitndskfjridnf

Look at MSTR, they own 600,000 BTC and trade at a 2x premium to their Bitcoin. In order for them to double their BTC per share, they’d have to own over 2 million BTC…. There’s only 21 million BTC total and 4-5 million of them are either lost or not mined yet. So they’d have to own like 12% of the float just to get you back to break even on the premium.

Kitchen_Image_1031

Should we just all invest in MSTR?

NazgardDK

I know it is not popular but what if he bought all in MSTR stocks? That is geared 2.5x...

No-Put7619

Finally, the voice of reason. MSTR should use his corporate treasury for stock buybacks to artificially inflate its USD stock price like a normal company. Get outta here with your griftiness Saylor!

Life_Indication1190

O think from an investor perspective , it is probably best to think about which BTC treasury companies would be ‘last man standing’ in such a scenario. BTC itself will bounce back as it has numerous times before, so the only true question is who can whether the storm to rise as a phoenix from the ashes . That is MSTR as they have some cashflow, proven staying power through previous bear and instruments they can leverage to get cash (convertibles where the debt is not serviceable) and they have a big enough stack to do so .The only other one getting close is MTPLF bit they are not fully their Eurydice. For them to be robust enough for the next bear they should at minimum have 50,000 btc and ideally have a new product ( similar to mstr) to raise cash in a downturn. They are talking about it. It right now they need to get to that 50,000 btc first. If a strong bear would happen before that, they may get in trouble.

tankardofale

If I had zero BTC, I’d just buy now. Lots of possible catalysts on the horizon - Interest rates are about to go down. USD losing strength daily it seems like. Money printers will be coming online worldwide and Bitcoin follows M2. So many corporate treasury companies and countries either haven’t started or have only just started buying. States too. MSTR is consuming like there’s no tomorrow and Michael Saylor always has this grin on his face like he knows something. What happens when financial advisors and pensions start to see it as less risky? Frankly the price feels suppressed to me - How long can that continue with a finite supply asset? And who is to say if the 4 year cycles even repeat going forward and a crash is eminent - things have changed so much in the last 4 years and I wouldn’t be surprised either way. Id just want to make sure I was on the train before it leaves the station. Maybe buy with half and DCA with half to cover your bases?

the_ats

I didn't say it would. I listed a theoretical BTC Standard, where many equity holders transact on the Blockchain with BTC instead of with a floating variable Fiat currency like dollars or an expanding mineral supply like Gold. Gold is closest. Basically BTC as digital transferable collateral. Not as currency. Iran and Russia already do this to bypass USD sanctions. MSTR via Saylor is already tapping into the Pension market to BTC. The US bond market is one of th asset classes pensions can buy into. STRD, STRF, and STRK are all basically bonds that more income driven firms and investors are buying up by the millions and billions. He doesn't have to just issue more MSTR common stock any more. So that is how it will soak up some market share of equity. I don't think it is far fetched at all to suggest BTC achieves parity with Gold in equity. So you know how much Gold is mined every year? Every day? Every Hour? It is way more than you would expect. That market cap seems content to keep inflating.

ShavedW00KIE

There has never been a better RISK ADJUSTED time to buy Bitcoin. The US government, banks, and Blackrock have all endorsed it as the only digital commodity. I started buying after the ETF got approved. There is no going back from that moment. They aren’t taking an investment vehicle out of the hands of pensions and hedge funds after giving it a green light. Go all in if you can stomach the volatility. If not, buy 0.5 BTC and keep the rest in STRK earning 6.25% dividend with the long term upside of MSTR.

Substantial_Lake5957

More engines on this rocket - ETFs, MSTR and other new corporate treasury, sovereign fund and the US government, and us HODLrz

Mooncake137

you mean MSTR bought so many

chatrep

I’m not really directly into crypto. But do own some MSTR. I recently added SBET to get ETH exposure. Looking to pivot lot more towards ETH. I would say ETH. Finally gaining traction with real world use cases… Defi, stablecoins, tokenized assets.

PlanetRekt

LUNA was not bitcoin and MSTR is bitcoin

KateR_H0l1day

If you aren't doing BTC I'd be putting my money in MSTR and MSTY. coming to think about this, that's exactly where I'm putting most of my money 😆 But, I've also over 30 coins in my Crypto portfolio.

PoluxCGH

BlackRock ETF just beat MSTR

Spicy_kitCat

That's fair. I was doing the same with MSTR but switched to MSTU cause I got the same premium for less collateral tied up.

MichaelAischmann

Manage your expectations, give yourself room for positive surprises. 1) BTC is a zero yield asset. 2) Apple? Meta? Tesla? None of them have indicated (further) moves to BTC, Many companies have invested billions money in BTC over the last 6 months & the price just crabbed. 3) Again: MSTR alone invested around 15 billion this year & didn't cause much appreciation. Who will put 100 billion in? Don't get me wrong: a lot of companies are starting Bitcoin treasuries & that's bullish. I just don't think the effect will be as significant as you make it to be. I don't see companies matching MSTR purchasing efforts, let alone outpace them.

Every_Hunt_160

People who think MSTR are too big to go bust reminds me of Do Kwon back in the day LUNA was a number 5 crypto by market cap back in the day and Terra Foundation had a top 10 ‘Bitcoin reserve’ in the market right before it went straight to zero lol

KateR_H0l1day

🤣. Yes of course you’re right, just keep believing it, they’re the same, what a fool I am for buying MSTR when I could simply have bought IBIT. Some sarcasm may have been used in this post 🙄

KateR_H0l1day

It’s a very simplistic view, and so wrong in terms of investing, ARKB for example is exactly the same as IBIT, price action, everything. MSTR is completely different.

KateR_H0l1day

They work differently, my MSTR has totally outperformed IBIT and BTC. IBIT is a safer way for people to have exposure to BTC, rather than buying a wallet, however it will ALWAYS be exactly the same as BTC. IBIT is what it is, there are no derivatives based on IBIT. MSTR does not follow BTC and frequently does the opposite of BTC price wise. MSTR has a full suite of Derivatives solely based on MSTR action, such as MSTY/MSTX/MSTU/MSTZ, where you can gamble on additional growth, 2X MSTR. Or you can select MSTY for monthly income, all based on MSTR action IBIT acts as a broker, MSTR is offering numerous shares, from common stock to their own derivatives, Strike, etc, etc. they just released a new one this month. They’re NOT the same.

KateR_H0l1day

I don’t hold IBIT, but I do hold ARKB, these two are the same, but I hold much more MSTR, and no way is the same, not even close really! Just that BTC is a common denominator, but they work completely different.

Notoriousrb

MSTR is a Ponzi. Lol.

Extra-One-5143

This is what MSTY is for. If you're bullish on BTC and MSTR. Could use Margin and you get a nice 5% interest right there. Reinvest 25% to cover for nav erosion, put aside some for taxes, some for interest and the rest? Right into BTC or MSTR. Should work well with a loan as well. The main difference is that you actually keep adding shares and BTC while paying off everything.

PhoenixX7696

Last thing I want is for Coinbase locks my account. My plan is to go full degenerate borrow 30k using 45k in BTC as collateral: 1) Transfer 30k to Robinhood to purchase MSTR stock 75 shares at $396.94 and take margin loan against MicroStrategy stick to purchase deep in the money LEAP call options -- roughly 8 contracts at $50 strike price-- expiring on January 15, 2027 for Blackrock iShares Bitcoin Trust ETF. 2) Assuming IBIT appreciates 20% in a year : IBIT Target Price $74.18 (20% up) Profit per contract ~$900–$1,000 Total (8 contracts) ~$7.2K–$8K % Return ~50–56% 3) Interest would be roughly $2000 for both the Morpho BTC loan and the margin loan at Robinhood. Net profit would be 5-6 K not 4) IF MSTR appreciates also 20% thats close to $6000 in profit. 5) Total net of 10-11k.