MSTR

harvested

Bitcoin + IBIT + MSTR + STRC = full diversification 🤣

StupidStartupExpert

Maybe I’m misunderstanding something but isn’t the whole point of these things basically just to buy bitcoin whenever buy your stock and not necessarily speculate on price? Is MSTR different from like a BTC ETF or is it just an exposure asset? It’s not like SLV stops buying silver when it goes up?

jizzinmyeyes69

Hahaha I'm glad you're not serious about MSTR

ReliantToker

MSTR is amplified BTC so it is more likely to generate the 'generous' return you are looking for. It is, however, a company with third party risk, one of the main reason of getting Bitcoin in the first place.

ReliantToker

If your just chasing fiat then MSTR.

No_Giraffe_4647

I put on stocks too like MSTR for instance. More seriously 90 pct of my portfolio is in ETF and stocks but here we talk crypto mostly so the overall view could be biased as I am just posting about how the other 10 percent are allocated

No_Giraffe_4647

Mike sailor strategy I bought some shares of MSTR recently it is a bit like investing on bitcoin with leverage and no force liquidation

HesitantInvestor0

It actually did. That’s why his buys at lows are either nonexistent or quite small, and his buys at local tops are larger. It doesn’t necessarily eliminate his ability to raise capital, but it kind of ensures that MSTR never has a very good average.

Nickeless

It would be much, much lower than that. MSTR had bought like 4+% of the total supply completely levered. And there are other companies like mining companies (RIOT, MARA) also doing that.

Prize-Database-6334

I would not touch MSTR with somebody elses capital 🤣

Stray14

Sure but I see MSTR as a huge weak point for the industry at this moment in time. I’ve got my popcorn and orders in. Let’s also see what happens if the S&P rolls over. Wow that will be a test for BTC. Happy trading ✌🏻, and the ultimate win is survival, I know there are already people in here that are rekt. We’re only 1/2 through the second leg. Be safe.

unmatched25

It’s really dependent on mNAV and the liquidity situation. The average purchase price doesn’t matter a lot. Currently mNAV is clearly above 1, so I expect MSTR to raise fresh capital soon (next week) to buy BTCs to move BTC price price up to move MSTR price up. Next week BTC might rally. But an mNAV above 1 is not sustainable. As soon as mNAV is below 1, MSTR will not raise new capital will not drive the price up. Then is dampening the price development of both assets. So watch mNAV.

Stray14

My thinking 100% doesn’t apply exclusively to margin leverage. It applies to treasuries with ongoing financial obligations, MSTR has built a system of derivatives, convertibles etc. FWIW, That web is leverage Sure, it’s time-based over price-based but, the market can stay irrational longer than participant can stay liquid time doesnt remove risk and certainly not in the way Saylor talk about there being a 2 year runway. In an extended correction, when BTC sits below mNAV, cracks start to show. Not because of a trigger, but because confidence wains. Everything works in a number go up market. Stock is rewarded, the loop feeds itself. When stock gets sold off and raising capital becomes futile, dilution happens and the whole structure starts to fail. Cue the selling off of MSTRs BTC. As soon as they touch even a single coin, boom, they’ve just signed their own death certificate, a self-induced death signal. It won’t matter how small the sale is, it’s a shit!! the system hasn’t worked signal, we are now having to explore our last resort to remain alive. If that happens, we go below 10k.

ReliantToker

Have you tried...MSTR?

Hungry_Mission_3933

Your thinking applies to margin leverage. MSTR’s leverage is time based, not price based. They basically created a synthetic bond through preferreds and presented them to a yield starved bond market, which big institutions are actively buying. The money raised through preferreds has given MSTR the ability to buy large quantities of BTC on a regular basis, and build a 3 year cash reserve to pay all their debt obligations in a very short time period, which has taken away the necessity of having to sell BTC. Heck, major companies in the S&P are leveraged on future hopes and dreams, and they are considered safe. MSTR holds 3.5% of a liquid, scarce asset, and growing, and has enough cash reserves to pay their debts for many years. And MSTR is supposedly more risky? Again, their leverage risk is time based, not price based.

Zigxy

In case you’re not aware, MSTR holds the right to cancel dividends indefinitely on their preferred shares with basically no penalty

Stray14

Sorry, so the blueprint has to be identical for things to go tits up? Ok. My thinking is the market is going to stay irrational longer than Saylor as MSTR can stay liquid. Come find me in 9 months, let’s see what happens, regardless we’re going to 32k. If master blows up, we’re going into the 15k region. Happy trading.

Hungry_Mission_3933

MSTR is nothing like FTX. MSTR holds verifiable BTC on the block chain and it is held in self-custody by major institutions. FTX held paper BTC "IOU's", and used customer funds as leverage. FTX collapsed because their assets didn't exist. MSTR price fluctuates because BTC is a volatile asset with a history of major swings to both the upside and downside.

thegoinggetstough21

This is actually a slightly positive news for stocks like MSTR in my opinion, as people can have exposure to cryptocurrency without directly holding them.

AnxiousSeason

We’re definitely in or about in the long slow accumulation phase. Just buy as much as you can. May go lower based on politics and shit but it WILL eventually go up. As more HODLs buy, more MSTR buys, they aren’t giving it up. This only drives the FINITE LIMITED SUPPLY up high and higher. So just stack and be thankful for the huge dip. And if you didn’t sell when Trump won, do better. The low cycle will come again. Don’t be afraid to sell. Set a sell point and stick to it. Take your profits.

SerenityCerulean

Not necessarily, they increase cash reserves just to hold MSTR more than enough throughout the bear market. They know they will struggle and planned before. It will be used as a priority to pay for preferred payments as it will last for 2 years. Do you think it will get defaulted because bitcoin couldn’t get back to reasonable price in 2 years?

Easik

That's not really based in any reality. Saylor Moon has no liquidation price. It would have to sit under $33k for 5 years before it's a problem. It's way more likely Binance goes bankrupt then it is MSTR.

Willing_Coach_8283

MSTR is a ponzi scheme built upon another ponzi scheme. All ponzi schemes always end the same way. No exceptions

Stray14

MSTR will cause the market wash out / cascade event that will signal the end of the bear market. MSTR is the FTX of this run.

TessTickols

The MSTR unwind on its own has the potential to crater the price at least 50% more from here. In addition, we are nearing end of first quarter, which is the scarcest liquidity period of the year and often execerbates violent moves (also 3rd quarter). The treasury and gold movements indicate that something is amiss liquidity or colleral wise.

dweeegs

He hasn’t been using convertibles for quite some time. His STRC product hasn’t raised THAT much money (relatively) and they have 2+ years of cash to pay for dividends and will just issue shares to pay for more The giant majority of his capital is raised through issuing MSTR shares. Which doesn’t really care about credit worthiness. He only cares if he can increase the BTC/share. The only thing that impacts whether they can keep going is if his mNAV stays above 1. Once it’s below, it’ll be a spiral I’m confused why you think he’s a credit risk or why his line of credit matters. People can have whatever opinion they want about issuing shares to raise money but it’s given them a lot of cash with very low debt and will probably keep going He rode out 2022-2023 when he was underwater too and then went on to not sell and the stock make new highs

SerenityCerulean

MSTR has no secured debt.

No_Artichoke_5670

MSTR has already shown everyone their books. There BTC reserves will cover all their debt unless there's a sustained price drop BELOW $8,000. Unless that happens, Saylor is fine. Most news sites have become nothing but Buzzfeed tabloid ad-hosting sites.

TessTickols

Something happened. MSTR will be liquidated. They hold over 700k BTC, about 3% of the BTC in circulation.

harvested

Yeah on their earnings call they said bitcoin would need to go to $8K and stay there for 5 years for them to have a problem. Also on the call Saylor wasn't phased at all, he said perfectly normal for a 40 vol asset to do this. Assuming the haters are more emotional about the drop than MSTR is.

Suspicious-Holiday42

"MSTR under heavy pressure after Bitcoins price fell" why do news sites have to fud with fake information

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; The article analyzes the top 100 public companies holding Bitcoin in 2026, highlighting corporate treasury strategies and global adoption. Strategy (MSTR) leads with 713,502 BTC, representing 62.9% of holdings among the top 100 companies. Collectively, these companies hold 1,133,469 BTC, with the USA dominating with 71 entities. Mining firms feature prominently, and geographic concentration is evident in North America. The report underscores Bitcoin's growing role as a corporate asset and its implications for market dynamics and institutional legitimacy. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

ElderMight

The problem with the ETF for me is the fees you will be paying over time just for a 3rd party to hold it for you. You might as well buy MSTR instead. In a tax advantaged account it makes more sense.

AgnewTheModHamster

Ya, gap was at 80-61K on the CME, nice bounce off the supply zone there, still not out of the woods. Saylor's Q4 report was ugly, I think BTC ranges below MSTR DCA for a while, keep Saylor's head underwater long enough for the bubbles to stop.

alberask

I bought several times below $65k. Amazing. And also $MSTR. Celebration day today 🤑

Curious-Algae-9899

With MSTR you don't control your btc, am l wrong ;

ILETOJUL

As of February 2026, Michael Saylor's company, Strategy (formerly MicroStrategy), is facing significant unrealized losses exceeding $4.5 billion following a sharp Bitcoin price drop. The company reported a $12.4 billion Q4 2026 net loss as Bitcoin dipped below $65,000, causing a 47.5% drop in MSTR stock in early 2026. 🚨Losing 80% is a massive gut-punch, but before you do anything impulsive, take a breath. You're currently in "survival mode," and the goal is to stop the bleeding without making a permanent mistake. Michael Saylor’s strategy (as seen in early 2026) relies on a 10-year horizon. If you don't need the money in the next 24 months, the "crash" is just noise on a long-term chart.

OpticallyMosache

I did own MSTR once upon a time. I was a 2024 buyer that sold into the 2025 top. You think now is another good time to get in? My concern is that the marketcap hasn't fallen as far as the individual share price. That when more and more shares are issued, the share price falls more than the marketcap. Kind of like an altcoin with inflationary tokenomics. How S*O*L hit a higher market cap with a lower token price.

Impressive_Hornet644

Same I’m probably 20% including MSTR

harvested

If you can time (or get close to) market bottom, MSTR is also a good buy.

Glittering_Pick_9738

I bought the dip - lots of BTC, some BCH I SOL, also for the first time silver. The only thing I regret is not buying MSTR shares. I wanted to buy it today in the morning but then I noticed that my MSTR investment is so far down 55% and decided not to. Obviously it sports 25% god-candle today - precisely because I refrained from buying. Oh, well.

FreeMindFreee

And MSTR up 20% today! Who’s buying that?

Willing_Gas7868

Big moves like this feel brutal, but they’re normal in Bitcoin drawdowns, 20–30% drops happen even inside bull cycles. MSTR being “forced to sell” is far from certain, and price moves usually overshoot both ways. Regret trading like “should have sold at 70k” is common, but it’s a terrible signal for decisions. If you’re long-term, stick to your plan; if you need the money, de-risk gradually rather than panic-selling at the bottom.

Euphoric-Pop9717

Not crazy. It’s a very strong if not genius position in my opinion at least. Michael Saylor’s “21 rules of Bitcoin” he pokes at the saying “Only invest money you can afford to lose…” Which I actually thought was always a cliche quote but I’ll save that rant for a future post. In my opinion, what you’re doing shows to me that you’re only willing to risk losing 5% of your networth or in gambling terms — bankroll (not that I think you’re gambling). However in gambling terms betting 5% of your bankroll means that it’s the strongest play of your season or in a very long time so you are betting much higher. On the other hand, risking 95% of your roll is unheard of and most people get rekt—— except when you put your money in bitcoin with a minimum 4 year time frame. Bitcoin as I’m sure you know historically has outperformed everything in the asset class over a longer time frame, so far (and based on how early we are) this is certainly going to continue. Before this gets any longer, congrats and keep going. Soon you may be 99% and just holding cash to cover living expenses (me). Not saying to be homeless but enough cash to pay for the mortgage off, car off, eat, etc. I think stocks are overrated and takes too much of your time to research, unless you just ride MSTR which is sort of like owning bitcoin.

idontneedanalias

10% including MSTR

FuckM0reFromR

They're gonna flush out MSTR and cascade to other institutional holders. It's gonna rain BTC this year and the insiders are going to rake them in while the little guy is too fearful, uncertain and doubtful to take advantage until its back over 100k again.

brad1651

It's not in one hand, it belongs to all the stake holders. Besides, it's not a though it gives MSTR any additional influence over the network, just a capacity to move the exchange rate with immense volume.

Quietabandon

Honestly Bitcoin ETFs, corporate whales like MSTR, hodling millions of Bitcoin is the worse thing for Bitcoin and is not in line with its purpose or spirit.  Early Bitcoin enthusiasm was about adoption and daily use. An inflation proof stateless global currency that would cross borders, governments, languages and ideologies. And the point was that the currency be used.  Holding and whale price manipulation, giant ETFs locking up coin and undermining self custody, this is what will seize up and destroy the value of bitcoin since at that point it’s basically a digital Beenie baby or labubu so basically an OG  NTF. 

ElKaWeh

Let me try to give an actual, non-cocky answer to this. Supply and demand. Every Bitcoin that isn’t being sold, decreases supply and therefore drives up the price (assuming demand stays the same). It doesn’t matter who owns it, if they have access to it, if it’s lost or whatever. All that matters is if they’re selling or not. Is it vulnerable to price manipulation? Kind of, but not more than any other financial asset you can buy. If a large player like BlackRock, MSTR, Binance, etc. decided to dump all their Bitcoin, it would cause a temporary supply shock and the price would drop. If they decided to buy everything they can get their hands on, they cause a supply shortage and drive up the price. Stuff like that happens every single day on the stock market. But here’s the thing: almost every stock and most other financial assets are owned in big chunks by a few players. Like Company A owns 60% of the stock, Company B owns 30%, and the remaining 10% are owned by private investors, that makes price manipulation by Company A or B easy. But now Bitcoin comes along, where the biggest holder (MSTR), owns roughly 2% of the total supply (so good luck trying to hold most of the 21million Bitcoin). This makes price manipulation much much more difficult.

Typical-Sherbert-523

Interesting take. I've never seen someone saying MSTR will kill Bitcoin by selling. Don't you think there are a lot more elegant ways they can make money from their holdings? (Lending, yield, shit I've never heard of but financial people know, etc) Seems like outright selling would be kind of a vulgar approach. I think as devastating as that would be for the price, there would eventually be enough buying demand to recover. And if that plays out MSTR would look pretty stupid

ReliantToker

Me but with MSTR currently.

Ok_Location_1092

Cheap BTC for other players or to reduce MSTR’s outsized ownership on the asset

mickalawl

Can you name a fundamental that isnt just the price going up? Decentralised killed by oligarchs and the 2 minijg pools Inflation resistance killed by use as a speculative asset controlled by unlinited tether and MSTR prints. All the while converting useful energy into masdive csrbon emissions.

dmitryaus

An eventual MSTR crash or bail out by Trump. He or his kids will be new owners of the 700k stack.

perceptron-addict

Worst case scenario, MSTR has to raise $1B that won’t happen until Sep 2027. They have >700000 BTC. Even if BTC falls to $10K they only have to liquidate 100000 BTC. That’s like an 85% drop from the current price and no recovery through the next year and a half.

DrEtatstician

MSTR owning 3.2% and continuous to own , I worry it’s again facing concentration risk

PermissionPlusFour

Most people here just don’t understand how MSTR works. They’re not getting liquidated or margin called. They’ve been down 50% before. They have enough cash to pay dividends to the preferred shares. I bet the only think Saylor is unhappy about is that he can’t buy more.

SpendHefty6066

This is not different. In fact, it's more muted than before. Bitcoin is a scarce asset. "Big Capital" can swing the price around like a chew toy. They will short MSTR and sell large blocks of Bitcoin at spot shaking out lettuce and leverage. They bolster their positions with targeted FUD campaigns. The fulcrum of price stability is held by those with their coins in cold storage and just won't sell at any price and have learned to ignore the noise. The fulcrum will slowly rise as adoption of real asset holders increase and put their coins in cold storage where it is not getting shaken out. When that fulcrum is hit on the downside, they reverse their positions. Once again, they go long MSTR (and other levered plays) and buy massive blocks of Bitcoin at spot and bolster their positions with anti-FUD effectively inducing retail FOMO. When FOMO hits stratospheric highs ... Rinse and repeat. These hedge fund vultures literally make billion$ off of scared and exuberant retail suckers. Don't be one. Stack. Not your keys not your coins. HODL.

mathaiser

Zero. They are fine. I just loaded up on July 27 MSTR leaps.

gregorydane

lol if you think this thread is bad go check out the newbies in MSTR. Getting absolutely mollywopped. As someone that’s rode the wave there in a few cycles they just ain’t ready for the true vol of this asset class.

i_have_chosen_a_name

The other cycles did not have MSTR with a NAV below 1. This will destroy their chance of any future stock or bond issuance. Essentially stopping the ponzi from growing. Once people know it stops growing then the stock price plummets more. Becomes a positive feedback loop. So it's only a matter of time before MSTR is forced to sell their first Bitcoin, by that time liquidity will have been pulled already because people with lots of money on the crypto markets aren't retards that want to pay for bailing out Saylor cult victims. So then the market will be over for 5 years or longer. Which means 5 years of BTC hashrate decline, lots of slow blocks as 2016 blocks become 3 weeks instead of 2 weeks. And we will see if a miner or group gets desperate enough to try to steal from an exchange with a 51% attack. All because nobody wanted to listen to the big blockers who where 100% right that for Bitcoin to survive it needs to be money, and not speculation.

SignificanceThis1265

MSTR is cursed too. Being shorting the crap out of it

i_have_chosen_a_name

It will boucne back somehow, but then you have your last chance to sell. Once MSTR is forced to start selling BTC, it's going to be over forever. Some other crypto will eventually find global adoption, it just won't be Bitcoin.

Quixotus

Once MSTR starts dumping their entire position, that's when the real fun begins. Funds liquidating, governments liquidating, every man for himself, everyone trying to exit through a tiny door at the same time. Exchanges will close and deny retail withdrawals. People will see what real panic is, right now this is nothing in comparison.

PrestondeTipp

Losing rubes and useful idiots hundreds of thousands of dollars.  Paying himself millions is stock issuances Little Kermit Saylor will be fine when this all ends. Will you, MSTR investors? Every day brings you one day closer to your last day ont this sweet Earth and you've trapped your money in a company almost everyone has called a Ponzi scheme.

Slight-Regular-3711

Hard to even start thinking about a bottom until after MSTR starts unloading.

R3dFiveStandingBye

Crazy that if you buy now you have a better entry than MSTR

LargeSnorlax

If you desperately want exposure to Bitcoin that bad, why not just buy Bitcoin when it's that low? Or if you want to keep it institutional, why not something like IBIT? MSTR is just a scheme set up on top of an existing asset, if the whole point is to get exposure to a risky asset, you may as well just the asset itself

gatoss5

Loading up on MSTR when it hits $25 This is literally the discounts all us tards wanted

AnyPortInAHurricane

https://i.redd.it/uuolo1w5jrhg1.gif picketing outside MSTR (Strategy) HQ

CakeAndFireworksDay

Contagion via stuff like bitcoin etfs in people’s retirement funds and MSTR. Real money has chased after bitcoin and people expect the CB to step in when real money is on the line lol

binary_quasar

Can idiots please stop with the MSTR FUD? Until 2028, bitcoin could fall to $16,500 for them to be in any trouble and even then there are ways to not sell btc and stay afloat. I'm not a fan of MSTR's investment thesis and products, but this is so far from happening right now that it's stupid to even bring up. They've been in the space for longer than most people here and they understand the assets volatility better than any of us. Stop with the dumbass conspiracies. They're a publicly traded company that literally just bought more. They are not the stupid ones in the crypto space - we are. They might have a shitty quarter or year ahead of them, but

SonicSarge

MSTR -12.4B last quarter and it was last year. MSTR is going to zero

okiepilgrim

Have thought about this as well, but it would take quite the war chest to move bitcoin. However, timed with a downturn, maybe… But if they have 2 years of operating cash, then they can ride it out and MSTR will always be a “buy” when it’s trading below the underlying. (Just hard with the underlying in free fall)

UOkayBrah

Someone buys the coins and MSTR goes into the toilet. The coins will carry on and likely increase in value over time, but the company as it's constructed is toast. There's no reason for the vast majority of investors to own MSTR if they sell off their BTC.

2CasinoRiches1

MSTR's average is 76k... Hes a hodler now too.

dweeegs

They straight up delete comments that talk about dilution and are adamant that shitting out billions in MSTR every week has no impact on the stock price

Friendly-Profit-8590

Definitely dropping like a rock. Suppose all the doomers will find out how resilient MSTR either is or isn’t.

LargeSnorlax

Same kind of people, all WSB apes Which is why you've got the same kind of people spamming all over Crypto is a scam today, they bought MSTR at $420

Simke11

Looking at posts on MSTR sub, it's got the same content quality and vibes like any random shitcoin sub.

gcbeehler5

they pay a dividend I believe, while also using convertible and preferred shares to fund purchases. Individual investors may have pledged their shares for PLOC's or other reasons, and MSTR moves like BTC but with more fervor, so there could be a cascade where leveraged MSTR is sold to cover traditional personal line of credits via margin calls. As the prices dumps, MSTR may be forced to sell assets due to NAV pressure, which would put more pressure on additional margin calls and BTC. It would be a negative feedback loop. So yeah they have $2.5B in cash to pay in dividends, but have no way to continue their current purchases, as that part of their business has stalled out.

Mr_Deep_Research

In 2001 there was a company that held 60 billion in assets. The company said it had lots of cash to handle its debt. Specifically: "November 2001: Analysts company representatives claimed the company had access to more than $3 billion in cash and was "not illiquid" just weeks before filing for bankruptcy" That company was Enron. it took 24 days for it to go bankrupt. MSTR isn't Enron. But when things go bad, they go bad even if you have cash on hand.

suspicious_Jackfruit

People are shorting MSTR and mass dumping bitcoin to make obscene money. It's very obvious play if you have liquidity, the right openings to trigger stop losses and it a weakness in his model

rs1971

How is MSTR going to collapse tomorrow?

dweeegs

I’m also very confused where this is coming from. I thought IBIT, MSTR, and the other companies/ETF’s were getting a mix from miners and from companies that buy spot on their behalf. But they were being purchased far faster than it’s mined IBIT is the fastest growing ETF of all time (by orders of magnitude) and touched $100B back in October. That’s a lot of OTC to be changing hands

Awkward-Afternoon361

MSTR’s earnings call in a few hours. That ought to be interesting. Amazon as well. Depending on the results of those two, the dump could intensify or stabilize.

BainTrain55

MSTR with a 12.4 billion dollar loss in Q4.

rvanasty

Where does a company like MSTR buy bitcoin? Wouldnt purchases like this decimate buy orders and rocket prices?

Jesse-359

I suspect that the Venn Diagram between btc enthusiasts and AI enthusiasts looks kind of like a circle. Whether the markets themselves are connected - probably not so much, the AI craze is largely a hurricane of hundred billion dollar loans between giant mega-corps, whereas BTC is mostly random whales and some smaller very aggressive institutions like MSTR. However, the *mood* could in fact be contagious between the two. That wouldn't surprise me in the least.

NatBitty

The analysts on the MSTR “earnings” call should all call into the Q&A session and just laugh their asses off at that fucking loser and every shareholder he duped.

ManagementRoutine714

I'm a middle class woman.  I bought MSTR in this crash  instead if BTC because the upside is much higher. I see making more profit off of MSTR. 

CuteStreet4443

I'm just curious to see what happens to bitcoin's price when MSTR collapses

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Acceptable_Foot3370

Stockholders aren't thrilled, MSTR down from $400 to $100 in 6 months, of course a few years ago, it was only trading at $14

aaj094

MSTR was last at the current price on 1st Mar 2024.

BainTrain55

MSTR is up a putrid 35% over the last 5 years. Just 6 months ago it was up over 450%.

greendildouptheass

MSTR is the least of my worries, which banks have exposure?

cloudadmin

If you sell and tax harvest, would immediately buying MSTR trigger a wash sale?

biba8163

Jim Chanos has been a notorious for shorting MSTR. I think he closed positions last year though. I am sure there are others out there who see MSTR and BMNR as easy pickings.

andrew103345

This is it. You got a better chance of getting rich off a dividend stock anymore. If you got in early good for you. Bitcoins getting gobbled up my billionaire and the like of MSTR, it’s lost its utility as soon as billionaires started hoarding it like the dollar.