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MSTR or miners for leveraged play? (and how is the halving supposed to be bullish for miners??)

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MSTR in a ROTH IRA for BTC exposure

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Now that bitcoin ETFs exist, any reasons to still hold Microstrategy (MSTR) in my Roth IRA?

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So why didn’t the price go up today?

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Saylor Talking about MSTR as a Bitcoin Derivative on Podcast

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What in your opinion would be the best way to gain access/exposure to Bitcoin through a vanguard roth account?

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Do we really need an ETF?

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What am I missing about the Bitcoin spot ETF?

r/BitcoinSee Post

Can somebody please help me understand MicroStrategy's Bitcoin strategy?

r/BitcoinSee Post

How are you preparing for a probable BTC EFT approval?

r/BitcoinSee Post

Why Saylor sells his MSTR shares to buy BTC?

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Will BTC approval be a stepping stone for supporting main stream commercial activity?

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Michael Saylor To Sell $216M Worth Of MSTR Stocks To Buy Bitcoin

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MicroStrategy Short Squeeze

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About to hit the least amount of bitcoin in exchanges this year

r/BitcoinSee Post

Is Michael Saylor power hungry?

r/BitcoinSee Post

Saylor is Buying to Save MSTR

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Microstrategy has acquired an additional 14,620 btc at an average price of 42110 usd

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MicroStrategy Buys $615 Million Worth of Bitcoin, $50,000 Soon? for NASDAQ:MSTR by DEXWireNews

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Michael Saylor is at it again! Buys an additional 14,620 Bitcoin!

r/BitcoinSee Post

No stopping Saylor from buying

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Bitcoin, Microstrategy and Miners

r/BitcoinSee Post

Calling Short Squeeze on $MSTR

r/BitcoinSee Post

Why is everyone so bullish on the ETF getting approved? Thoughts on investing in Coinbase if that happens?

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Diversifying

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BTC proxys I can put into a Fidelity UK SIPP pension?

r/BitcoinSee Post

Michael Saylor hodls at least about 2,000,000,000 USD in Bitcoin.

r/BitcoinSee Post

MicroStrategy is just more FAKE Bitcoin. Don't buy it.

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MicroStrategy is just more FAKE Bitcoin. Don't buy it.

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MicroStrategy (MSTR) has out-performed Bitcoin so far this year

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MSTR questions

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If Bitcoin spot ETF is approved, is holding microstrategy a risk?

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MSTR Share Purchase

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BTC Miner Stocks - which ones HODL the most?

r/BitcoinSee Post

MicroStrategy stock as a leveraged bet on Bitcoin

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MSTR invest question

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1 BTC = US$1 Billion

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Best premium on BTC now?

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Microstrategy Strategy

r/BitcoinSee Post

Forced Bitcoin exposure

r/BitcoinSee Post

Alternative to cold storage suggestions please.

r/BitcoinSee Post

Are MSTR and GBTC best options for Roth IRA now before spot etf is available?

r/BitcoinSee Post

Are MSTR and GBTC better options for Roth IRA now before spot etf is available?

r/BitcoinSee Post

Blackrock Wants all BTC

r/BitcoinSee Post

Microstrategy buying all the bitcoin is bad, right? Only if you have a fiat mindset..

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Well, It Finally Happened - I Dreamed I Was Explaining Bitcoin to Someone

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My thoughts on a Stable BTC by 2028

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Cheap long dated call options for the cycle maxis

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Bitcoin ETFs: The Next Big Thing in Crypto? Stocks Like PYPL, SQ, GBTC, COIN, RIOT, MARA, And MSTR Are Poised To Benefit - GRAYSCALE BITCOIN TRUST by Grayscale Bitcoin Trust (BTC) (OTC:GBTC)

r/BitcoinSee Post

Erm, what happens to the price of MSTR if a BTC ETF is approved?

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If someone offers super long dated, cheap ass options on bitcoin are you obligated to clean them out?

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Bitcoin halving: psychology vs reality

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

MicroStrategy Affected and Lost Millions in Recent BTC Price Drop

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Bitcoin Crash: Why MicroStrategy Inc. Stock Is Falling - MicroStrategy (NASDAQ:MSTR) - Benzinga

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MicroStrategy (NASDAQ: MSTR) has a SqueezeTrigger Price of $381.17 and this AI report says it can squeeze to a $448.60 full valuation price target.

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Blackrock's gameplan with Microstrategy

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Curious how MSTR hodl's BTC

r/CryptoCurrenciesSee Post

[Question] Is anyone using crypto stocks like MSTR, META, COIN, etc, as a hedge against token volatility?

r/CryptoMoonShotsSee Post

Top Tokens that are backed by real-world assets are not only a safer path to crypto but also the reason for the growth of DeFi2.0.

r/BitcoinSee Post

MRST BITCOIN

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Potential Short Squeeze for MicroStrategy Incorporated ($MSTR) in light of BTC price rise - Analysis

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Many Crypto stocks are up way more in the past weeks than Cryptocurrencies themselves, seems like the Wall Street has already placed their bets… This is very bullish.

r/BitcoinSee Post

What if Michael Saylor forgot Microstrategy's keys this whole time?

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Bitcoin to the moon 🌝

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Most people still do not understand that Micheal Saylor won‘t sell at all if its not necessary and the fact that he still does not have any actual power over Bitcoin.

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Bitcoin proxies

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Blackrock buying BTC isn't that big of a deal?

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

[SERIOUS] BlackRock and Big US Banks buying Crypto at Record Levels while Binance and Coinbase are being Attacked. Where as HongKong is Forcing Banks to Accept Crypto

r/BitcoinSee Post

Uh oh. Price is going up = here comes the paper bitcoin holders.

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Are Republicans or Democrats Bigger Crypto supporters?

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Buttcoin and WSB user calls for shorting MicroStrategy due to price of BTC. BTC and MSTR pump immediately after post.

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Bank of America and Fidelity have been heavily investing in MicroStrategy Inc.

r/BitcoinSee Post

MicroStrategy buys more and acquires a total of 140,000 bitcoin. Fidelity and BoA load up on MSTR shares in Q1. Miners acumulate bitcoin again. Bitcoin difficulty adjustment went up. A new financial communications app, Noones, has launched, Ark Invest shares monthly bullish report.

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Warren Buffet now holds bitcoin, kind of...

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MSTR now owns 1 out of every 150 BTC which will ever exist!

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MicroStrategy has acquired an additional 1,045 #bitcoin for ~ $29.3M at an average price of $28,016 per bitcoin. As of 4/4/2023 @MicroStrategy holds 140,000 bitcoin acquired for ~$4.17 billion at an average price of $29,803 per bitcoin. $MSTR

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Saylor and MicroStrategy - Ultimate Bitcoin Bulls Explained

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MicroStrategy Purchased 6,455 BTC for $150 Million at an Average Price of $23,238 per Bitcoin! Now MicroStrategy owns approximately 138,955 bitcoins and their average buy in price went from $30,415 to $29,817 per bitcoin. Will MicroStrategy be brake even soon?

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Microstrategy, Inc. (MSTR) acquired approximately 6,455 bitcoins for approximately $150 million in cash

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Michael Saylor: Dollar Lost 99.88% Of Purchasing Power To Bitcoin Over Last Decade - MicroStrategy (NASDAQ:MSTR)

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7.5 billion people, 200 million companies globally and 192 sovereign nations will have to share between the last 2 million bitcoin left to be mined.

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

It is amazing to see how much more stable Bitcoin has become in comparison to all those tech stocks. Coinbase Stock is way more volatile than Bitcoin itself right now.

r/BitcoinSee Post

bitcoin play for next week… earnings + short squeeze on MSTR who owns +130k BTCs

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I don’t understand this guy. He recruits teens and conspiracy theorists and pushes away level headed investors. If he didn’t buy so much I would think he was participating in anti- bitcoin psyops. MSTR collapse would confirm it for me. Hope I’m wrong

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Assuming you’ve come to a conclusion on how much BTC or BTC-related equites you want, would you choose all BTC or a combination of something like MSTR and BTC?

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MSTR dilution not very Bitcoin maximalist of them

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Mstr as bitcoin holding?

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

So MicroStrategy provided $3.980 billion of exit liquidity to sellers this last bull market?

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Am I Bag Holding?

r/BitcoinSee Post

Am I Bag Holding these BTC Related Stocks?

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Postmortem FTX questions

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A perspective on marketcap deflation

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MicroStrategy execs. explain Bitcoin to the shareholders

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There is no second best: What if MicroStrategy had bought Ether instead? BlockchainCenter shows the stats

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What if Microstrategy had brought ETH instead? Saylor: "There is no second best"

r/BitcoinSee Post

Bitcoin or mstr as a long term investment on Bitcoin

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MSTR and Bitcoin

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Anybody ever done the math of buying MSTR instead of Bitcoin and if it gives you better exposure to Bitcoin’s price action?

r/CryptoMarketsSee Post

Michael Saylor’s MicroStrategy (MSTR) bought 301 Bitcoin for $6 million bringing its total BTC holding to almost 130,000 BTC. Do you think MSTR will survive this bear market or will they eventually be forced to liquidate their BTC?

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“Michael Burry of Crypto” is betting on a market crash with shorts on COIN, MSTR, BITO

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Post is by: m_xux and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kJ94rMEQurA&si=dQ0ztTKLwgYKeFrx STRIVE / NASDAQ ASST just bought the Bitcoin Investment Grade Podcast MSTR True North - all the info here *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

Mentions:#GP#MSTR

lol, I am still up 200% MSTR. All this noise only matters to newbs and dumb people

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>DFDV with SOL is like MSTR with BTC. I think FORD will be the MSTR of Solana. Gonna be very hard to compete with them.

Mentions:#SOL#MSTR#BTC

Checking some stock that will benefit I think DFDV is one of the best with low float (around 10mln) and pretty shorted (around 30%). If SOL will go around 500$ DFDV could spike well over 30$ and maybe 50$ if there will be a shortsqueeze. DFDV with SOL is like MSTR with BTC.

Mentions:#SOL#MSTR#BTC

MSTR is in the Nasdaq

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Only public traded BTC treasury? MSTR?

Mentions:#BTC#MSTR

MSTR $700 by Mid-December Please and Thank you 

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Dilution of shares. When BTC takes off next time, MSTR is gonna run up hard!

Mentions:#BTC#MSTR

And somehow $MSTR is down like 30%

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DCA also works for MSTR

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MSTR relatively flat last few weeks so probably wouldn't have been called. My guess would be TSLA.

Mentions:#MSTR#TSLA

I know people like to shit on it here, but as long as you aren't doing anything shady, I have not had any problems with Coinbase. They are a publicly traded company and hold for some of the big names, including MSTR. I trust them.

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Me and all the MSTR holders living on that street right now

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It’s not MSTR.

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Not sure if the company has changed, however, the CEO and company (MSTR) was in the book “The Intelligent Investor” as a cautionary tale. CEO was fined by the SEC in the early 2000s for “misstating their financial reports”. In other words, he lied about what the company had and a lot of people lost a great deal of money. If he did it before, would he do it again?

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Both of these guys are generating a lot of money by just buying something else. Why not just buy bitcoin and ethereum by themselves. MSTR hasn't done shit the last 4 months and BTC has gone up bigly!!

Mentions:#MSTR#BTC

Posted on r/bitcoin talking about a company, it’s probably MSTR

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You could have just moved it into one of the Bitcoin ETFs and not paid the penalty and gotten tax-free growth. Almost my whole RIRA is in Bitcoin ETFs or MSTR (and its preferreds).

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The concept of a bitcoin treasury company, or "bitcoin yield", is a straight-up scam, but the SEC is completely gutless so nothing will happen until it those companies collapse naturally. Of course, Saylor will make sure he's wealthy for life even if MSTR goes to 0, so no worries.

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Michael Saylor was charged by the SEC in 2000 for accounting and tax fraud, leading to the collapse of $MSTR from $333 to 45. He did accounting fraud, lost 6 billion in a day

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BMNR running and MSTR bleeding. Need a better balance

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Yeah, appreciate the heads up man. I know that ETNs don’t actually back their assets which is unfortunate. I looked into them further and found WXBT allegedly do hold BTC in cold storage, with a certain allocation for each share, so thought they’d be ideal but, the recent news of Blackrock trying to put IBIT into the UK has me thinking I’ll probably hold off on WXBT entirely and just buy that when it comes out since it’s actually easily auditable through their known wallets and such. And yeah, the stacking BTC outside of the pension is what makes me think maybe just MSTR and no BTC ETF, but at the same time I think BTC is king over all in terms of risk reward ratio. MSTR I still really like but it’s just got the added risks of having a CEO (death or unfavourable personal news), but I do really like Saylor and I’m not one of these maxis who thinks it’s a ponzi, just a solid leveraged bet on the best asset in the world, more risk, more reward and that. I won’t say what I stack each month or how much I have ofc, but I’ve continued stacking through up or down. I used to care when I was in alts, but since full BTC only, I’m happy if it goes up, happy if it goes down, and I’m almost happier if it goes down and I have spare cash hahaha. But don’t worry older me, I have some of the highest conviction of anyone I see in this space, even when ridiculed and laughed at by friends and family. I’ll be stacking, up or down, til I can’t stack no more. I got us older me, WGMI ;)

Mate, please look into what an ETN is before you consider the advice in that other sub about buying it. I've noticed everyone seems to call it an ETP, which is weird to me because it's an ETN and there's a massive difference between and ETF and and ETN. Both are ETPs but ETN are terribly risky. They're a bank note, not backed by bitcoin and offers no insurance if the bank drops the ball. Alot of people are going to be hurt by this. Until they bring a real bitcoin solution for pensions mstr is the best we have. Read into ETNs and swerve. As for allocation? My SIPP is 50% MSTR. You say you're buying bitcoin every month anyway, some potentially good news...I was putting 500 a month into BTC for about 4 years and then the next wave up basically retired me. Importantly you don't freeze in a bear market, you keep dca. You're a fellow Brit and I was 29 when I started so I feel like I'm talking to younger me. Have big conviction. Have even more conviction when people are laughing at you.

MARA is the stock ticker for Marathon Digital MSTR is the stock ticker for Strategy (known previously as MicroStrategy). Both are types of BTC treasury companies, and proxies to Bitcoin price movement. 15c & 33c are ways to denote your strike price when referring to options on those stocks. 15c refers to a call option at a strike of $15. (15p would be a PUT option at $15 strike). These are leveraged financial derivatives of those stocks. They come in the form of contracts which expire, which is why I have also listed the contract expiration date. I'm not telling you to invest in these companies, although I am. I am providing my positions to show you that I have skin in the game and conviction behind my prediction that we will see serious price appreciation over the next couple months. These are just the best way I see to capitalize on it.

Mentions:#MSTR#BTC#PUT

Those two are stocks and I'm assuming those are the prices he entered long positions in. E.g., MSTR is trading at about $332 right now and MARA $16.30.

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I'm fairly new to crypto. Please explain what 15c and 330c mean? Are MARA and MSTR coins you say we should invest in?

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There's still time to change sides if you're short... I'm trying to save you. positions: 20k MARA 15c 10/3 exp. 20k MSTR 330c 10/17 exp. 20k MSTR 320c 10/3 exp. 450k spot BTC Next 2 weeks are going to be the beginning. I'll roll these probably all the way til the end of Dec and update here at the end.

Mentions:#MSTR#BTC

I'm pretty sure the 4 year cycle is still a thing, we are still following it nicely now. No one can say the 4 year cycle is dead until we are through the 4 years. My opinion is we will get a run in the next month or so followed by some bad news that starts a drop, followed by another couple of things which puts it into the bear market, and then everyone will believe it again and sell making it worse. This is my 4th cycle end and it feels pretty similar but without the mad fomo yet. Lats time round people said the cycle was a thing of the past until it wasn't. Of course I hope I am wrong and if we go into Feb/March still on the way up I am happy to say I'm wrong but we just don't know till then. Possible things to trigger the bear market: \- Trump proven to have done something dodgy with Epstein \- Putin escalates with Poland \- Israel start a war with \_\_\_\_insert any Arab country\_\_\_ \- Bitcoin holding companies share prices plummet (happening already with MSTR), the house of cards collapses with the weak ones, and spreads to MSTR \- Some random thing no one thought of (most likely) \- Atlas31 changes direction and heads to earth

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Gold is money it doesn’t need global unrest. Central banks are abandoning us treasuries in favor of gold. What does Bitcoin have? “Scarcity “? The world Is shifting and ironically the Bitcoin crowd is now the one living in the past. Bitcoin has had all of the marketing, hype, MSTR, leverage schemes, etc. and yet this halving cycle is more or less a bust. Let’s see how it does when the market crashes or goes nowhere for 10 years. If Bitcoin can overcome this great but it has not proven that it can yet. It has lived in a stock bull market only and now a bubble. Meanwhile capital is rotating into gold. Hubris by those who say Bitcoin can only go up will be their downfall unfortunately.

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Retiring at 57 doesnt seem like that much of a dream, no offense. You should probably aim a little higher, like retiring at 50 when you are younger and can enjoy it better lol. Speaking as someone in my fifties. As for MSTR while it is currently on sale as in much cheaper than its ATH I am not a huge fan. I'd rather buy BTC itself. Failing that I'd rather buy an ETF like FBTC. If that isnt possible in your plan, then yeah, you may have to seek exposure to BTC another way. I saw someone in that thread mentioning waiting until a BTC ETF is approved in your pension, which that sounds hopeful. Maybe ETFs will be approved there soon? Until then buying some MSTR might be a good option.

He had better hope it does. How much is MSTR down from its peak one year ago? 30%?

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Thanks let me know if someone answers our question categorically . Bitcoin dilution will be needed if it’s the currency of the world. If Nation A needs to fund a war vs. nation B and they don’t have enough Bitcoin enter MSTR, Meta Planet, or a Rothschild type whale with paper. Yes, it’s a superior form of currency, but not sure it can beat the Iron bank.

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MSTR

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I get that, but let’s just say hypothetically MSTR becomes a Bitcoin treasury with say 10% of the supply. Couldn’t they go all Shetar on us?

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Huh? Isn't MSTR already at \~4%?

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Almost everyday I hear that Michael Saylor is not being completely up front as to the degree of just how over leveraged the assets in MSTR are. There are worries that if it’s true MSTR will take the entire crypto sector down with it.

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When Bitcoin was 1k, nobody knew about it, and 20k (which was an insanely risky investment) on it would've made you 2 million now, which is not that much. Now Bitcoin is known by about 95% of Americans, do you really think it will be x100 again ? and if so, it's still 2 millions which will be even more not that much. And even if it does x100, it would mean that MSTR would be worth more than the entire United States itself for providing 0 economical values...

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MSTR didn't get into the SP500, and holds over 638,000 BTC. As their share price slides, what the hell is the future for them?

Mentions:#MSTR#SP#BTC

They also hold 31% of their portfolio in MSTR shares

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He disclosed over 10,000 BTC personally and obviously has tons of equity in MSTR, so he's about as exposed as a person can get.

Mentions:#BTC#MSTR

I don't think she promotes Ark any more than Saylor promotes MSTR. Ark Invest publishes some of the best research around emerging tech, and it's free!

Mentions:#MSTR

If you really need to "catch up" it would seem you can outsource the futures and options game to MSTR easier than playing alts. Not an endorsement...Just pointing out relative ease.

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The implosion will be glorious. This infinite money glitch works until it stops and then it implodes. Madoff Ponzi worked for decades until there was a big enough external market stress which caused people who lost money in other investments deciding to cash in some of that safe “Only fund not down” madoff scheme. Too many people had the same idea and the whole scheme fell apart rapidly. The MSTR situation will implode quickly in a matter of days out of left field when no one expects it. Everyone will try to head out of the exits but it will be too late. I am curious to see how this will impact bitcoin.

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That’s exactly what MSTR does tho. They don’t have any actual cash flow so every dividend they pay comes from the ATM. Literally new investors paying old ones lol.

Mentions:#MSTR#ATM

I think he can do this because he's already insanely wealthy! He's just slightly less insanely wealthy now. I think he holds 50%MSTR, 40%BTC and 10% MSTY. In one of his videos he says just MSTY alone for him can generate around to 2mil a year which is, well, insanely wealthy.

Mentions:#MSTR#BTC

No. 8 for me mainly. Also my brokerage allows IBIT but only a max of 30% of my networth - so if I want to trade options but also have BTC exposure, I'm looking at 70%MSTR, 30% BTC. Not ideal and I'll hourly find a way to move it all to BTC at some point.

British HODL 3 Rules: 1. Buy Bitcoin 2. SHUT THE FUCK UP 3. Get fabulously wealthy What he actually does: 1. Buys MSTR 2. Doesn't stop talking about it 3. Doesn't get wealthy

Mentions:#HODL#MSTR

Novody cares about MSTR the only damage it would do is the selling power they have. Bitcoin doesnt "explode' from one buyer.

Mentions:#MSTR

I bought MSTR at around $410. At the time, BTC was around $90k. Now MSTR is around $330. It was an insignificant amount, it was money I had lying around in an investment account. But I should have just bought BTC ETF. 99.9% of my holdings is still real BTC.

Mentions:#MSTR#BTC#ETF

I’ve come to realize Saylor is a big believer of the fiat system, while he has a really good understanding of Bitcoin. Saylor is doing the same things as the FED: payoff debt by creating more debt. Inflation is debasing the dollar in the same way that Saylor’s perpetual money glitch engine is debasing his stocks. It’s a very lucrative way to exploit people. You show them some metrics that seem to show that value is increasing, while in the mean time no real value is being created. Saylor has come up with a Bitcoin yield metric. The only difference with the FED is that the dollar - as the world’s reserve currency - is backed by the world’s economic growth and MSTR is backed by BTC, in which BTC is the better one. So, Saylor has found a way to use the fiat Ponzi scheme in the advantage of his perpetual money glitch engine. He is smart. And there is fiat money to be made with his engine also for shareholders, if he doesn’t dilute the shares too much. But it’s fiat value, not a strong store of value… like Bitcoin or gold are.

Mentions:#MSTR#BTC

Some people want exposure to BTC without holding it. If you are older and dont want to worry about saving passwords, making sure your spouse is aware in case you pass suddenly, or worried about your crypto being stolen or scammed, then buying a treasury company makes some sense. But tbh, I think a BTC ETF would be a better option. And I would guess some of the institutions--like retirement trusts, academic trusts, and others--have rules against actually holding crypto itself. So they buy MSTR etc. Again, I'd just buy an ETF tho. And I think with MSTR in particular, you have some people--like my fellow co-workers--who bought it just bc it was going up crazy amounts lol. I agree overall, I'd rather just buy BTC itself. Or an ETF at worst.

Mentions:#BTC#ETF#MSTR

I believe a significant amount of people invest in MSTR because that’s the only way they can do it through their investment vehicles that provides them extra benefits (I’m not from USA)

Mentions:#MSTR#USA

If they follow the MSTR playbook, cycles are too short to be considered time bombs. If they pledge to deliver short-term (which is idiotic for a reserve), they might have a problem.

Mentions:#MSTR

I'm personally 50/50 MSTR and pure BTC (wish I had access to IBIT). But waiting for a good exit opportunity from MSTR to switch to 100% BTC. There's just nothing like an asset with basically no counterparty risk.

Well those people were just dumb af. MSTR literally only buying bitcoin, so the NAV should be almost equal to their holdings. People who pay 2x are ....... not that bright

Mentions:#MSTR

Yep. Same deal with MSTR. Anyone who bought after nov 2024 got boned hard.

Mentions:#MSTR

No, he's not dumb. It's something about the way his system works that he can only raise the money to buy BTC when it's high (the corrollary being when MSTR is also high). Someone explained it to me once, but I forgot the nuances of it.

Mentions:#BTC#MSTR

I was long BTC but cashed out a while back and bought puts on MSTR after listening to Jim Chanos and conducting my own review of MSTR's convertible bond and preferred stock offerings. MSTR's entire strategy is reliant on BTC price going up. Their software business's real return is negative or close to zero, so y'all are all basically banking on the current bitcoin bull market to extend longer than the usual 4-year cycle. If the price stalls or dare I say, goes down...Saylor's X posts are going to become even more delusional. Every 4-year cycle thus far, the growth has slowed and slowed. There is a parallel phenomenon in wealth management where the more assets you have to manage, the slower you compound. Even with a coordinated attack between all bitcoin treasury companies + Trump's marketing, bitcoin price is still trending lower. If bitcoin's price were to dip below $100K (I know, impossible situation), then MSTR's 89,000+ BTC purchased just this year would all be at a loss. How long will MSTR be able to pay the dividend on the preferred stock? Will they dilute the shares more to fund the dividend payment? If they do, how is that different from a ponzi? If they don't, what will happen to the preferred stock, and MSTR's ability to raise more money? And god forbid, what if Saylor actually sells a single satoshi to finance the dividend...what will happen to MSTR's reputation.

Mentions:#BTC#MSTR

Cold storage BTC…..get exposure to hyper volatility through MSTR

Mentions:#BTC#MSTR

I have some, but Bitcoin is what I buy.  I also believe that MSTR could lead to a crazy bitcoin collapse if things don't go well.   FTX part 2.

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People bought MSTR? I thought the hottness was BTC ETFs?

Mentions:#MSTR#BTC

I don’t like MSTR for one main reason, and it’s that I actually use their product for work, and it fucking sucks. It seems clear they don’t care about it anymore, and it will forever just be an antiquated piece of shit.

Mentions:#MSTR

MSTR is a paper Bitcoin IOU you have no legal claim to (bond holders have the real rights to the underlying asset, not stock holders) of a paper Bitcoin IOU held by conbase. These paper IOU's (MSTR Stock) get INFLATED - new shares are printed out of nothing - issued by the corporation - to devalue current share holders - enriching the c-suite executives

Mentions:#MSTR

This doesn't count if you are "investing" in Bitcoin through MSTR, IBIT, HOOD etc etc. Not your keys, not your coins.

Looking into MSTR I accidentally stumbled on MTSR and now I’m up 120% since April

Mentions:#MSTR

These "infinite money glitch" MSTR investors will feel pretty bad when Bitcoin has its next bear market and they find out that leverage works both ways.

Mentions:#MSTR

Buying MSTR is not buying bitcoin. Buying exposure is not "buying bitcoin". Dont get them mixed up, now.🤦 Bitcoin is Bitcoin. MSTR is MSTR.

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MSTR has it's place. How do I buy bitcoin in a tax-advantaged account?

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I buy both. Cold Storage BTC with routine lump sums and weekly DCA, and convert all company issued RSU’s and ESPP into MSTR routinely. Any funds native to brokerage account roll into MSTR.

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MSTR -> BTC Would get you 4x more btc from 2022-2025. I only bought btc though. Maybe next time.

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Which will perform better over the next 6 months return wise? MSTR or BTC?

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"Snubbed"? LOL. It doesn't qualify for it. SP does not care about one-time gains on assets bought with raised capital. MSTR does not qualify, end of story.

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70k average buy right? Bitcoin has never dropped below high of the previous halving. I don't think MSTR will die but it could be the Catalyst for an extended crypto winter

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if you dont want to experience a crash you are in the wrong market. the point of 1 bitcoin = 1 bitcoin is to remind people the the value of bitcoin is the system itself, and the fact that a company like MSTR cant stop it. if you are investing because other people are investing you have failed to understand the nature of crypto. like i get it, its cool when number go up. but MSTR can get fucked and bitcoin will be bitcoin regardless. if you dont understand that i dont know why you would want to invest in crypto in the first place.

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actually one bitcoin will continue to be one bitcoin no matter what MSTR does tbh i never understood why anyone cared for MSTR being a middleman for bitcoin when the entire point of crypto is not to have middle men.

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If MSTR explodes, so does bitcoin, so does all crypto, and now all the firms that hold large amounts of it too.

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MSTR feels like a ticking time bomb, I don't want exposure to that no thanks.

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tldr; Michael Saylor's MicroStrategy (MSTR) was not added to the S&P 500 index despite meeting criteria and posting a strong quarter, causing its stock to drop nearly 3% after hours. In contrast, Robinhood (HOOD), a digital trading platform with crypto ambitions, was surprisingly included in the index, boosting its stock by 7%. Robinhood joins Coinbase and Block as crypto-linked stocks in the S&P 500, with changes effective September 22. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

Probably not, but you should probably thank him or hate him for getting us this high. Then when MSTR gets on the S&P500, you'll have to do it again because everyone that owns an index fund will start pumping your bags too, whether they like bitcoin or not.

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bitcoin gain =/= income. , They used accounting mumbo jumbo to classify it as income, but everyone can see the truth. Profit is not realized until MSTR sells their BC. unless BC continues to rise significantly, their future "income" will be no where near as good. And if BC crashes, there goes the whole scheme. no sane person on the sp500 committee would vote for inclusion with that kind of risk n uncertainty. Only the shrills on reddit are hyping this up.

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Are yoy telling me that the investors that bought MSTR shares and IBIT actually own the bitcoin? Do they have it in their own wallets? Where do they own it and how can they take it out to use it? Please enlighten all of us.

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Blackrock owns BTC? I thought they were obligated to buy it for their clients who purchase it through the ETF, you know, as a broker? I mean, they don't even custody it? Also, while Saylor owns a big personal stash, what MSTR owns is actually 'owned' by its shareholders, of which he isn't the only one by a long shot.

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It is not volatile any more. MSTY has killed the volatility of MSTR.

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Post is by: positive_pie1 and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1n99n40/cheapest_bitcoin_treasury_on_the_market/ MicroStrategy holds \~226,000 BTC and trades at a $25B market cap. UTRX just bought 5.5 BTC and trades under $1M. The math isn’t apples-to-apples, but the disconnect is crazy. You’re basically buying Bitcoin exposure at a discount through a microcap. Add in their tokenization rails patent and rights to mined BTC, and it’s more than just a treasury. Not financial advice, but is this the stealth way to ride BTC without paying MSTR prices? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

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It took Tesla for ever to get included. I think that MSTR will be denied for the time being. Not sure how the committee that oversees inclusion feels about its BTC holdings and not its discounted cash flow.

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Isn’t that the same with MSTR and BTC ETFs though

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I actually think that's not a bad idea (though I'm sure this will be an unpopular opinion on this thread). Having to stress about losing your Bitcoin is a pain, and the ETF gives you exposure without (as many) risks. I have BTC in cold storage, on exchanges, through an ETF, and own MSTR. It's a multi-pronged approach that I hope will pay off when Bitcoin moons :)

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> MicroStrategy is to BTC as Bitmine is to ETH Saylor's conviction in BTC is not the same as Tom Lee's conviction in ETH. Tom Lee was paid to become the chairman of Bitmine because he is a megabull who has a lot of influence in Wall Street and putting him as the face of an ETH Treasury company was great marketing to attract money. If Tom Lee genuinely considers ETH the **"Biggest Macro Trade of the Next Decade"** then: - Why was he not screaming this in 2024 or before July 2025 when he was marketed as the chairman of BMNR? - Why has he not allocated a percentage to ETH in his OWN ETF, Fundstrat's flagship ETF? - Why is Tom Lee allocating to BTC in his very own ETF portfolio through MSTR and not have ANY exposure to ETH? https://grannyshots.com/holdings/

I tend toward FBTC as they self-custody. I split with IBIT for diversity and also MSTR for a little leverage. For DIV i'm trying MSTW which has crazy payout right now and safer then selling Calls.

Coincidence that MSTR may make the Fortune 500 shortly and there are at least a handful of ‘anti’ MSTR articles all of a sudden in the last 24 hours in just this subreddit?

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It might be a risk, but it’s nowhere close to the risk of “ETH treasuries” copying MSTR but with ICO issued and forked altcoin. Saylor doesn’t sell bitcoins. ETH ICO hodlers doesn’t sell bitcoin also - but they do sell ETH.

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I thought it was pretty clear. I guess not, let me elaborate, in layman's... You hold your cash under your mattress or in a bank? If it's in the bank you're being disengenuous, if not and it is in fact under your mattress I'll continue this conversation. The BTC you've bought, I imagine you own some, was in bought P2P or through an exchange. Do you think microstrategy MSTR is a good thing for BTC? If yes again you're being disengenuous. People are using "the system" to buy it. Aren't you against "the system"?

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It’s not decentralized . Somewhere down the line MSTR will hold 10% of total supply , it’s the best possible definition of centralized

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Not too late for MSTR, still not late for a 2x bitcoin etf, not late for MSTY for additional income, not too late to take out some margin, etc.

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My $MSTR options have an expiration 

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Check out his YouTube channel. He talks about it all the time and alludes to some ideas to make it different from MSTR, but he can't say much until SEC disclosures and whatnot are done.

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My $MSTR is sucking wind so I do hope $BTC rips. [I own a little $BTC in Cashapp]

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I thought the same thing when MSTR dropped below 400. I was sure it was temporary and would climb right back up. I bought $3000 worth of calls with a 3 week cushion. I was sure I was going to make money. They went to zero and expired worthless. Be careful. There is no such thing as a siure thing in the stock market.

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As soon as MSTR enters the S&P

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If MSTR fails then the BTC it holds will be redistributed. Doesn't change the use case of BTC one bit.

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