FUD

PteranLaches

These guys have been posting FUD on monero for weeks now. Ever since Zcash and other privacy coins pumped, bunch of bag holders are trying to create FUD to try and pump their own bags.

LurkerFromTheVoid

From the article: In Bitcoin We Trust Newsletter Read in the Substack app Open app The Siege of the Ledger: How Bitcoin Replaced Kings with Code. The Architecture of Trustless Money. Sylvain Saurel Jan 06, 2026 1 1 This is one of the most fascinating concepts in computer science, and understanding it is the key to understanding why Bitcoin was a technological breakthrough, not just “another Internet thing.” Before Bitcoin, digital cash was impossible without a bank. The Byzantine Generals Problem explains why. Type your email... Subscribe The 50/10 Rule: Unlocking the Secret Math Behind Bitcoin's Million-Dollar Future. Sylvain Saurel · Jan 5 The 50/10 Rule: Unlocking the Secret Math Behind Bitcoin's Million-Dollar Future. Imagine if there were a simple “cheat code” to understanding the chaotic, volatile, and often confusing price action of Bitcoin. What if, amidst the noise of daily candles, fear, uncertainty, and doubt (FUD), there was a singular, elegant mathematical relationship that has held since the genesis block? Read full story The Scenario: A City Under Siege Imagine a wealthy, fortified city in a valley. Surrounding this city are four different armies, each led by a General. The Goal: To capture the city, the Generals must attack simultaneously. If they all attack at once, they win. The Risk: If they attack at different times (e.g., two attack and two hang back), the city’s defenses will crush the attackers. They die. The Constraint: The Generals are separated by distance. They can only communicate by sending messengers across the valley (where the enemy might capture them) or through the hills. The Problem: Who Do You Trust? This sounds simple: General A sends a messenger to Generals B, C, and D saying, “Attack at dawn tomorrow.” But here is where it falls apart: Unreliable Communication: The messenger might get killed on the way. General A thinks the message was delivered, but General B never got it. General A attacks; General B sleeps. They lose. The Traitors: This is the harder part. What if General B is a traitor? General A sends a message: “Attack at dawn.” General B (the Traitor) receives it, but sends a message to General C saying, “General A said we should retreat.” Now General C retreats, while General A attacks. The attack fails. The traitor wins. In a decentralized system where no single person is “in charge,” how do you ensure everyone agrees on the truth (the plan) when you can’t trust the messengers, and you can’t trust the other Generals? For decades, computer scientists thought this problem was unsolvable. Why This Matters for Money In the digital world, money is just a message. It is an entry in a ledger. The Ledger: “Alice has 10 coins. Bob has 0 coins.” The Transaction: “Alice sends 10 coins to Bob.” If we have a centralized bank (like Chase or the Federal Reserve), the problem is easy. The Bank is the King. The Generals don’t need to agree; they just listen to the King. The King maintains the one “true” ledger. If the King says Alice sent the money, she sent the money. But what if you want to remove the King? If you want a currency that no government controls, you need a network of computers (the Generals) to agree on who owns what (the Plan). But digital networks are full of “Traitors”: Hackers who want to spend the same coin twice (The Double-Spend Problem). Bad actors who want to alter history to say they never paid you. System glitches (unreliable messengers). If the network cannot agree on the order of transactions, the money is worthless. If I can send you a Bitcoin and then convince the rest of the network I didn’t send it, I can keep my money and get your product. The economy collapses.

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Frosty-Permission-14

Stop spreading FUD You have no clue

user_name_checks_out

Spotted a bitcoin conversation on r/all: [How Bitcoin Mining Works](https://old.reddit.com/r/explainitpeter/comments/1q52cft/explain_it_peter/) The top post is a very concise summary of mining from someone outside r/bitcoin, it's nice to see. It makes me happy when I find a bitcoin conversation in the wild, and when I see knowledgeable people participating in the discussion instead of pure FUD.

GeX_64_

If by FUD you mean Fundamentally Undervalued Downtrend

oak1337

Let's get our definitions correct first. **Decentralization has to do with equally distributed power.** Power is decentralized or centralized. Distributed or concentrated. **Permissioning is about who can participate in validation.** Though to be clear, on Hedera they are more technically "consensus nodes", not "validator nodes". This is because the full group of Hedera nodes comes to leaderless consensus and participates in every transaction equally **(decentralization of power)**. This makes your "voting" analogy above even funnier. Every node has equal weight in the virtual voting of the hashgraph. This is not the case on Ethereum. Ethereum uses a Block Leader, where ONE person **(centralization of power)** is the "king" of that block that validates the transactions in whatever order they choose. Because there is a leader, they can see your transaction in the mempool and intentionally put their own transaction in front of yours (Frontrunning/MEV). This steals billions of dollars from regular users every year. Why would I want a system where the a couple wealthy leaders are allowed to rob me in broad daylight? I’d rather have a system where the math makes it physically impossible for anyone to cut in line. No one can reorder transactions. Fair. You say "anyone can validate the network", but that's not really true is it? It's a different kind of barrier to entry. An economic one. At current prices of ETH and hardware, it's well over $100k if someone just wanted to "join validation" and participate. For 99.9% of the world's population, $100k+ is not "accessible." So it is also a gated community, like Hedera, but a different kind. Hedera's council members are known and accountable corporations, but Ethereum's validators are a "landed group " of anonymous early adopters and whales. Maybe you're right, "anyone can join", **but only a few matter.** You brushed it off rather easily before, but Ethereum’s Nakamoto Coefficient is currently 2. This means that if Lido and Coinbase (the two largest staking entities) colluded, they could control the chain. TWO players. **Centralized power, even though it's permissionless.** **That kind of "decentralization" is purely psychological.** This means after your $100k investment, running a node with 32 ETH in a sea of millions of validators gives you something like 0.00001% of the power (refer above to your voting analogy - this is the same thing as having zero vote). It is "decentralization theater." It makes the user feel like a participant, but they have zero actual influence over consensus or the King Block Leader. So the question is, are you going to spend $100k+ just so you can "verify the chain yourself"? Cause that's all it's good for. And while we're talking about it, you don't need to be a consensus node on Hedera to "verify the chain". Anyone can run a Mirror Node. You don't need permission from the Council. A Mirror Node receives the state of the ledger and allows you to verify that every transaction is legitimate and that the math adds up. You don't need to write to the ledger (Validate) to audit the ledger (Verify). You can prove the Council is being honest without being on the Council. That said though, Hedera is midway though implementing Block Nodes, Block Streams, and Dynamic Address Book. All will be done in 2026. These are all the precursors for permissionless, it's listed next on the "Hedera roadmap". Hedera adds nodes/shards as TPS capacity is needed. When the 10k+ TPS throttle is reaching it's limit, it's time to add more. Add scale, add nodes. It's inevitable if Hedera needs to scale. So the only "maybe" at this point is how much TPS Hedera can capture. Then a permissionless shard can be created and there will be no more FUD left on Hedera. To use your voting analogy one last time: Ethereum is like a country where "anyone can vote", but it costs a $100,000 poll tax to enter the booth, and two giant corporations own 51% of the total ballots anyway. Hedera is currently a constitutional republic where the 39 'governors' are public, rivals to one another, and physically unable to cheat the count because of the math. I’ll take the one where the math prevents the theft every time.

B1GCloud

What is this constant BS FUD about people buying 1 single time at all time highs.

MikeysOnTheMoon

Saw some people on crypto twitter spreading XRP FUD last week so I bought more. Happens every time

colonisedlifeworld

FUD

colonisedlifeworld

FUD

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waitareyou4real

Ledger is a great wallet, ignore the FUD

EntrepreneurDue420

This is wrong and Peter Schiff propaganda. Get this FUD off here.

renoracer

exactly, and judging by the flood of bot posts and comments that attack MSTR, i'm almost certain it is just coordinated and organised FUD. long term MSTR is a no brainer, and it's a shame "bitcoin maxi's" who hold $500 btc buy into this FUD and shit talk it at every opportunity.

Whole-Reserve-4773

I’m very tempted to buy gold and silver but I have to go against my regard retail brain and buy low instead of buy high. I simply cannot find anything that is not overvalued and hasn’t gone parabolic in the past year now except bitcoin. S and P 500 + some small percent VXUS international and the rest BTC. The sentiment sucks now, lots of FUD and everyone clowning BTC now that it’s below 100k. Large institutions are still buying so I will too. I feel diversified enough to survive whatever happens

cookingboy

I mean for 2025 Bitcoin underperformed the rest of the stock market by like 20%, is it really FUD when it’s a shitty performing asset even in a bull market?

ThreeTonChonker

New year, same old FUD

TvAGhost

Nope. Don't understand? Not my problem. FUD harder clown.

biba8163

> Such a dumb comment that will age like milk...remind me how stupid you are in 3 years Let me remind you that 8 years ago in December 2017, dummies bought the Ripple Scam Narrative, and were dumb enough to believe banks all over the world would soon be using and buying up XRP which would drive XRP to $10 in 2018. XRP is lower today than it was in December 2017...8 fucking years ago. > **$10 xrp is quantifiable based on tangible assumptions** without speculation given the 5 tr dollars of x-border settlements, the 27 tr dollars locked up in nostro accounts alone. It also enables 95% of the 11000 banks on the SWIFT network to transfer peer to peer instead of proxying cross border through the mega-banks. > XRP can do a lot of good...! Fiat is debt based... mainly issued to governments and we all pay the interest. We are paying bong debt via put taxes for $27 trillion which is locked up... without getting benefit... xrp can release some of that... and that's a good thing... surely **(December 2017, XRP $2.30)** https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/20171231/ https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7mzcld/reminder_ripple_xrp_is_centralized_and_they_can/dry2rn8/ > so much Ripple FUD. so many are mad cause they called ripple centralized yet ripple keeps signing on banks after banks. **Ripple will hit $10 2018 and we will still hear "but XRP is useless" "ripple is a bank coin".** **(December 2017, XRP $2.30)** https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7mxbiq/warning_you_dont_own_anything_of_actual_value/drxlwr2/ January 2018, almost ~8 years ago, this guy realized that XRP was a scam and sold all of this shitcoin. XRP was $3.20 then and it's $1.85 today. https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/20180104/ https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7o6u64/sold_my_all_ripple_after_reading_this_just/ ZERO demand. Zero Usage. 100% Token Dump Scam. This is why this shitcoin is below 2017 prices. **1.8 Million XRP burned per year!** | Market Conditions | Daily Burn Range (XRP) | Annual Burn Estimate (XRP) |-------------|------------------------|-----------------------------|--------| | Typical / Avg Year | ~5,000 XRP/day | ~1,800,000 XRP/yr | Mid-Usage Recent Year | 3,000–4,000 XRP/day | ~1,100,000 – 1,500,000 XRP/yr | Low-Activity | 400–750 XRP/day | ~146,000 – 274,000 XRP/yr | Very Low Activity | ~700 XRP/day | ~255,000 XRP/yr **2.4 BILLION XRP dumped per year!** | Year | Total Escrow Released | Approx. XRP Sold/Distributed |------|------------------------|-------------------------------|-------------| | 2018 | ~12,000,000,000 XRP | ~2,400,000,000 XRP | 2019 | ~12,000,000,000 XRP | ~2,400,000,000 XRP | 2020 | ~12,000,000,000 XRP | ~2,400,000,000 XRP | 2021 | ~12,000,000,000 XRP | ~2,400,000,000 XRP | 2022 | ~12,000,000,000 XRP | ~2,400,000,000 XRP | 2023 | ~12,000,000,000 XRP | ~2,400,000,000 XRP | 2024 | ~12,000,000,000 XRP | ~2,400,000,000 XRP | 2025 | ~12,000,000,000 XRP | ~2,400,000,000 XRP

ThreeTonChonker

1/42 would being sold would not devastate anything as long as it’s not sitting in an order book unsold. Especially since Saylor would understand that dumping that much is going to result in less money as the price goes down. This whole FUD campaign with Saylor being the bad guy is the most eyerolling bullshit. And half of you dorks are buttcoiners so you should just fuck off anyway.

ThreeTonChonker

Oh then I guess the price of BTC is in the millions from all the buying these guys are doing, right? Or maybe they’re not nearly as important as the FUD on reddit wants you to believe?

colonisedlifeworld

FUD

ThreeTonChonker

MicroStrategy buys are not moving the price of Bitcoin. Buttcoiners, gold/silver bugs, and morons (they all have a lot in common) will come in this sub and act like Saylor is hurting crypto and spread FUD without understanding that MS is a drop in the bucket compared to the daily trading volume and the proof of this is the fact that absolutely nothing Saylor does has any impact on the price.

Medium_Change4574

And the best thing about crypto: absolutely no recovery happens once any FUD period ends!

Remwaldo1

Can we ban people who post stuff like this with no links or proof who are just trying to create FUD.

ForbodingWinds

Tbh not sure why you're still on this subreddit, or myself for that matter. It's just endless articles fluctuating between FUD and FOMO depending on the writer's agenda. Nothing of significance gets posted here anymore.

Captain_Fredl

Sure thats true but to be fair what isnt FUD nowadys for crypto (especially). Crypto reacts to every fart and is dumping .. otherwise positive news it isnt pumping. As the ETF‘s ,,hype“ and most buys are over yet here we are now.

Medium_Change4574

MSTR could be excluded from indexes with the decision being made on January 15th, that would still be a major letdown and understandable FUD.

Captain_Fredl

Idk how but he said in an interview that he would need to sell his BTC at around 10k$ BTC to get out with 0. Most FUD that was made abouut strategy some weeks ago was totally bs.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Strategy, the largest corporate Bitcoin treasury company, announced its latest Bitcoin purchase, increasing its total reserve to 672,497 BTC. The company financed the acquisition by selling $108.8 million worth of MSTR Class A shares, using the funds to buy 1,229 BTC at an average price of $88,568. Despite market fluctuations and FUD, Strategy remains committed to expanding its Bitcoin holdings, with total acquisition costs reaching $50.44 billion. Analysts are closely monitoring the impact of these bold moves on the cryptocurrency market. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

P9Customs

FUD

colonisedlifeworld

FUD

partymsl

I actually don't think they will directly sell much, but the FUD will make the price drop and HYPE is already kinda in the bin.

No-Operation-3100

\>My underlying assumption is that market makers consider this sub to be retail and thus use FUD as a lever to push sentiment in whatever direction they choose. Market makers make money out of the spread, not directional bets.

Pkrinv

I like BTC, in general. When I read objectively about BTC, I like it.  When I see Reddit bitcoin post chastising people for FUD, talking about it mooning, talking about how it’s going to be worth a billion dollars in ten years, etc…… it makes me want to sell all of it and makes it feel like a scam as much as any of the actually scam “meme” coins.  The less I look at Reddit, the less I like BTC. The more I stay off it, the more I like it. 

ThreeTonChonker

Is any of this even worth discussing anyway? MSTR buys aren’t moving the price of BTC. Every couple of years this sub finds a new source of FUD (China ban, tether liquidity, quantum computing, etc) and if it isn’t bots driving it for market makers then it’s the human equivalent. FTX was never part of the FUD narrative because it was actually a huge deal but like most things you should actually fear, completely unknown. My underlying assumption is that market makers consider this sub to be retail and thus use FUD as a lever to push sentiment in whatever direction they choose. Which is hilarious because redditors can’t be making that much while working the drive thru at Wendy’s so I don’t know why they bother.

sylsau

FUD

CryptoMemesLOL

Bending the truth, this is FUD

JeremyLinForever

Gold felt so cheap from 2020-2022 that I couldn’t help but buy some. Silverbugs were still rolling in their grave back then, crying when it was going to be their turn. Got some silver back then, but not much, because it’s not rare, and government mints and companies mold stupid characters and useless silver trinkets out of it. Even today, as silver reaches $79 an ounce, it just feels stupid that you would pay this amount for a Batman looking silver coin or a POP figurine colorized coin. It’s absolutely stupid, and silver people will hate to admit it. At a certain point, Bitcoin will basically go nuts, but when you least expect it. Now that institutions are in the game, expect the manipulation, FUD, and games to amplify 100 fold. Expect it to go up 1000% in 2028 in what is supposed to be the deep darkest points of any 4 year cycle bear market. Welcome to the game.

AnytimeBro

All this FUD makes me kinda bullish?

Btcmot

It is SO hard to enjoy the subject with SO much FUD. None comin from me, btc only all the way. Im sure, as the trend changes back to up and to the right, all the FUDers will be the noisy predictors of amazing all time highs to be reached . meanwhile, i just keep stacking weekly with my hodl mindset. Being simple is rewarding in BTC

bbatardo

There is a direct correlation between fear and negativity. BTC Fear and Greed index is still fear. If BTC can revlaim 100k you will see less FUD.

OrangePillar

That’s only at the base layer. We have many technologies that can be used to achieve orders of magnitude increase in the number of transactions the network can handle. The base layer limitation is 2017-era FUD.

miromar65

Tick tock. Blocks don’t lie. Paper burns. Bitcoin flies. Twenty-one. No rewrite. Math ascends. Infinite height. FUD fades. Heavens align. Number go up. Bitcoin Prime.

Complex-Photo-973

Buy when FUD, which is these days

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Binance CEO Changpeng Zhao (CZ) advises Bitcoin investors to buy during periods of fear, uncertainty, and doubt (FUD) rather than at market peaks. He emphasizes that savvy investors capitalize on market downturns rather than euphoric highs. CZ's comments align with recent market sentiment shifts, as Bitcoin and crypto markets face uneven trends. He also encourages traders to educate themselves on technology and finance to build confidence in holding Bitcoin during volatile periods. Other crypto community members support his strategy for maximizing returns. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

jpric155

It's FUD to say quantum will kill crypto. It's true to say quantum could kill encryption.

jpric155

Crypto is dwarfed by many hundreds of trillions of dollars in traditional assets that are secured by encryption. If quantum computers can crack encryption, crypto is the last of your worries. Every password everywhere is not safe. This whole quantum scare is straight up FUD designed to dupe ignorant investors.

cruxtone

But you have to laugh that anything above $80k is considered market doom. Remember when we were going to $12k in 2022? Remember how excited we were when it reversed from the $16k low and quickly after reclaimed $30k? I distinctly remember the day BTC crossed $80k and the community was ecstatic. I wasn't even sure if I wanted to buy BTC anymore because it was so expensive. Now, less than 2 years later, a drop to $80k reflects a global FUD crisis. One day, we will be reading posts from new buyers in despair that they bought at $410k and the price is now $370k. Merry Christmas, all!

PelicanKizza

No.. started investing in btc and also shares around the same time last few months. Shares have vastly outperformed btc. Diversifying limits downside on your whole portfolio. Long term hold both, ignore the FUD just hold if you have conviction, they try to shake weak hands allllll the time.

R4ID

>Smart Contracts are essential for modern blockchains because they add several capabilities, like: >**the creation of Decentralized Exchanges** The IRONY of typing that out, Not only Does the XRPL already have a Layer 1 DEX, it was the FIRST DEX on the planet. the Concept of a DEX was created on the XRP. it is the longest running DEX. Why do people who know nothing about the project post the most FUD about it? >the creation of Decentralized Exchanges that support privacy on blockchains >Blockchain Bridges that allow cross-chain movement of assets and liquidity XRP invented ILP... so far your 0 for 2 OP. >Automated Market Makers to stabilize the price of the main native token, i.e., XRP XRP is the ONLY chain with Order books and an AMM live Layer 1 on chain. thats 3 strikes OP. you dont know what you're talking about.

rgnet1

Firstly, no one can track your wallet. The wallet generates near infinite random addresses and without the xpub, no one can ever associate one address with another within the same wallet. Secondly, after you buy from a CEX, yes, law enforcement could force the CEX to divulge what you hold on a CEX and what addresses you have sent to. That's not just immediately tracable - that requires law enforcement to subpoena records. They can then follow bitcoin from one address to another all over the blockchain but there is **no way** to know which address goes to one you own versus one that went to another owner. It gets exponentially harder to truly trace the more transactions and change addresses that occur. This is why mixer services also popped up. Thirdly, if people used bitcoin as intended, you wouldn't be buying on CEX or even DEX. You would be getting paid in bitcoin. You would be buying services and goods from sellers who are directly accepting bitcoin. The only reason this isn't happening at scale (and to be clear, it IS happening on smaller scales) is not technical. It is artificially created friction from tax laws and FUD-filled narrative from gov/banks who don't want you using something they don't take a cut from or control. Transparency of transactions is good. Anonymity via addresses not requiring identity info is good. I know you're just trying to say Monero or Zcash or something is "better bitcoin" but the king property is decentralization.

Coquito3000

what is this FUD? ETH will surely hold 3200 in 2069

BitcoinFan7

Any substantive discussion that is not just FUD is encouraged and would be much preferred over the flood of mostly dumb memes. None of the topics you listed would be off limits.

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Xryme

So much FUD lately, nothing has changed, Bitcoin is still the best asset.

CipherScarlatti

Between the FUD and manipulation I'm tired.

DryMyBottom

FUD is so intense I can smell it

Longjumping_Bat_5794

Do any of these tools actually track XMR transactions or is this just desperate Wall Street FUD because you can't control Monero?

DBRiMatt

Buy the FUD!

FnAardvark

I'm not spreading FUD i'm citing a very specific law just because I can't find someone that has a citation doesn't mean it hasn't happened or it doesn't mean it won't happen in the future. I'm spreading information. You can do with it what you like. This is the absolute fact if the IRS decided they did not want to honor your tax loss on a Bitcoin transaction that you sold and instantly bought, they could.

DryMyBottom

>will likely mean the end of BTC lmao, they really brainwashed you with the FUD spreaded

maniec

[https://x.com/HyperliquidX/status/2003045600657334570?s=20](https://x.com/HyperliquidX/status/2003045600657334570?s=20) This Hyperliquid FUD Is Just Flat-Out Wrong

TP_Crisis_2020

Love it! Make sure and reply so that we can see how it turned out. :) For me - if BTC hits 200k, I will have enough to pay off my house. So I'm not FUD'ing nor betting against it. The higher it goes in price is just an incentive for me. But, I've been in crypto since 2016 and have seen how the market and its cycles have evolved; my prediction is based on this.

373331

Buttcoiners lurk all day attempting to spread FUD. Thankfully no amount of trolling on reddit can move a trillion dollar asset.

trillionSdollarstech

You need to change your source of information. You invest subject to I don't know what FUD

PapiMak

Fudders gonna FUD.

AstonMarco

Sell everything, bla bla, FUD everywhere. There is no real quantum risk at least not in the next 1 or 2 decades. But please, don’t let me disturb your FUD and panicking.

Wendals87

It's all over crypto news and is talked about. There's nothing much on other encryption which will he handled silently with no interaction or change needed by you and I  There will be far more FUD in crypto and emotions run high. 

ThreeTonChonker

“Let’s see if we can shake any more cheap coins out of retail with a bunch of FUD articles.”

Romanizer

I think they are still scrambling for FUD to justify their theory, but there is no systemic collapse or liquidity tightening like we have seen before. It's quite the opposite.

rgnet1

>I think comparing the risks of mortgage backed securities to an etf backed by non-rehypothecated bitcoin stored in cold segregated wallets at the best in class custodians in the US  Sure, but it's a lot of hindsight isn't it? MBS was all seen as fine, including by regulatory bodies, until the run started. The auditing for ETFs is not time tested. I'm not trying to create FUD - it's simply for me personally, in my bones, I don't trust any of them. From history we know they will not do right by small time shareholders if loss through negligence or attacks occurs. >Having Bob or Alice store generational wealth on a Trezor or whatever is asinine I think what's asinine is assuming you or I know what's best for uncle and auntie Bob and Alice and whether they can protect a bearer asset. Enforce laws already in place against fraud and theft; harsh penalties and no mercy for those proven guilty of predatory or fraudulent practices, or outright burglary. But don't tell me or anyone else "it's too scary and complex and risky for your pretty little head." And look, I believe in choice. If people believe in bitcoin's increasing value but want exposure to it through ETFs or simpler custodial products, that's great. What irks me is I think the messaging from banks, from government, and then from people who assume the worst intelligence in others, is that they NEED the ETFs. They warn and fearmonger to not even do the research or try to learn or attempt direct peer-to-peer usage, under the guise of for their own protection, but the motive is simply profit and control.

fan_of_hakiksexydays

I'm starting to think that whales might have been pulling a fast one on us here, playing hard on the narrative of the cycles, making people believe that nothing but doom is coming. And retail might have played right into their hands. There was a big opportunity between unbalanced longs, and a situation that made it easy to liquidate them and go on a stop loss hunt, and engineering a big epic panic. Especially right at the time of the new China tariffs and government shut down, giving an excuse to point to. But the government shutdown has ended, and those new tariffs on China got reversed. So suddenly the narrative switched to "it's just the cycle ending" because there's really not much else to point to. QE is starting, global liquidity is rising, rates are getting cut, M2 is going up more sharply, institutions are continuing to jump in, ETFs and sovereign funds are only getting started, even adoption has been rising, and now we even have stimmy checks coming out. That's a lot of potential tailwind for 2026. I don't think the usual China FUD is gonna cut it here. I think they knew what they were doing.

ec265

Liquidity doesn’t magically happen - it is earned And your ETH FUD is stuck in 2017 - modularity allows for infinitely more scalability than monolithic blockchains Solana is *slow*

SUPERVISORACCOUNT

I think comparing the risks of mortgage backed securities to an etf backed by non-rehypothecated bitcoin stored in cold segregated wallets at the best in class custodians in the US (subject to third party audits and public audits financial statements) is an apple to oranges comparison. It's FUD. ETFs are the best way to get exposure to bitcoin for the majority of American investors, that's my opinion. Having Bob or Alice store generational wealth on a Trezor or whatever is asinine. Until the technology is accessible to the layperson (with controls around inheritance, backups, safe keeping, etc), it just doesn't make sense.

hungry-bubba

FUD - its actually short term holders that are capitulating. Dont listen to this shit.

Spaceseeds

Sigh, okay resditor for 3 days, you know what else is getting out of hand? 3 day accounts posting FUD and brigading every crypto sub. Go back to buttcoin where you all have no money

ThreeTonChonker

You can always tell when the FUD campaign is ramping up in the crypto subs. Dip? End of the world, sell your coins for cheap to the market makers.

Ok-Appointment4871

Hey brother, Just wanted to share my current DCA strategy and get some perspectives. • I’m buying ETH and Solana every day • €15/day into ETH • €2/day into SOL So far, I’ve invested: • ~€1,300 in ETH • ~€450 in SOL This is a long-term plan for me (not trading), and I’m focusing on consistency rather than timing the market. I like ETH for its ecosystem and decentralization, and SOL for its speed and growing adoption—fully aware of the risks on both sides. Not looking for hype or FUD, just curious: • Anyone else doing daily DCA instead of weekly/monthly? • Thoughts on the ETH vs SOL allocation? • Any lessons learned from long-term DCA in crypto? Appreciate constructive feedback 🙏

Longjumping_Gas7964

its not FUD boss. Charts are literally saying bearish. I will change my bias when the charts says so.

Special_Ordinary1951

I love the FUD…the patience in this group is nowhere to be found. People have been overly bearish into bitcoins weekly cycle low this entire cycle and it’s had a 79% return on average from the low EVERY single time 😂. Alts are ugly at the moment, but you also have to be okay with a 50% drawdown if you want to own an asset that can do 50% in a day. You can’t spell crypto without cry. As for the AI bubble, it’s all narrative. The stock market/crypto will be making new ath’s in a few months and this entire thread will be hilarious to look back at.

These-Brick-7792

Nice. Is this this cycles FUD / black swan narrative finally killing bitcoin for real this time?

MaximumStudent1839

Arthur Hayes is a professional rugger. Tom Lee and Raoul Paul aren't VCs - don't know what you are talking about. But the two are close to permabulls. In large part because they focus only on "long-term" narratives and miss short-term volatility. For example, Tom Lee is wrong about the stock market in the short term more often than otherwise. But he has a pretty decent hit rate in the long-term horizon. > Do you believe we will go much higher eventually or more downside and boring times ahead ? From the technicals, you can see that much of the selling is more panic-driven than a sophisticated exit. For example, constant hugging around the lower band with little relief is not an orderly exit. Early 2022 shows what an institutional exit looks like. You get bounces to attract sideline liquidity for institutions to exit at better prices. If you look at Coinglass, you can tell the short levels are overly aggressive at this point. And people are panicking into capitulation. Unfortunately, alts are held by the least sophisticated and panic-driven buyers, and short sellers are aggressively pushing FUD in this low-volume moment.

asseousform

My only true concern about bitcoin is the quantum threat, but even that I think is overblown. Every other FUD rhetoric is pretty much just people not understanding how bitcoin works. I think if bitcoin can quantum proof it is truly going up forever, or as long as the internet exists.

GroundbreakingPage41

Ah more Solana FUD, weird how we don’t get these kind of posts when Ethereum’s volume drops

Radiant_Mushroom_215

So they created a digital coin, with zero marketing, just a whole bunch of FUD for years, knowing it’d get to the current value less than 2 decades later? Ok bro. lol.

ReliantToker

ATM has a very minimal affect on price action. The algorithm they use is programmed this way. A perfect example would be shortly after the mnav guidance announcement. ATM stopped stock still dropped. This stock has absolutely ripped to the upside the last 5 years. You have to understand that even at these prices some are still up around 7x on initial investment. Then you have short sellers piling on due to sentiment. Banks spreading FUD because the MSTR model is disruptive to theirs. Alot of forces are working at the same time here. In the end it doesn't matter because bitcoin will do what bitcoin does and MSTR will keep stacking and become one of the most valuable companies in the world.

Miralunes

FUD. You spam that below every single comments, can mods do something?

pointy-boi

Ai created FUD

Hankarino

AI new link. FUD.

ThreeTonChonker

Holy shit there is so much FUD in this thread. All of you buttcoiners need to fuck off.

wetokebitcoins

dashing through the FUD, in a one horse open position, over the hills we crash, laughing all the way HA HA HA!

4BRUINZ

I'm fairly new myself in the grand scheme of things (2024), but based on that abbreviated history, my observation is -- and you can take this to the bank -- nearly everything anyone says about where BTC is going, where BTC should be, where it already should be, where it really is if everyone knew what they know, what some BTC price movement or BTC-related event means will happen next ... it's all 99.9999% complete B.S. Literally anyone could go on youtube or reddit and say a bunch of random words that are strung together to sound like sentences, and they'd be as correct as folks who purport to know what they are talking about. It's like stock market prognostication but 100x worse. Some of 2025's greatest hits: $500k by end of year, er, $250k by end of year, er $150k by end of year, er... the reason it's not the real price is because everyone is buying OTC ... er, it's all price manipulation and FUD to make you sell so they can buy.... er... It's all junk content for clicks. With all of that said, I haven't sold anything. I keep buying at every price.

richardto4321

The advantage is that I already have it. It's something that I have saved up in, preserved my purchasing power in and now I'm ready to spend it. It's not that complicated man. You're just grasping at straws to validate your argument and trying hard to deny that other people do use it - even if you don't. You're free to never find it useful but no need to spread lies and FUD. If it was truly useless, then you wouldn't even be here arguing about it 😝

TherealCarbunc

if its shorts, they'll keep doing it so long as they can cover in profits. I think it's a combination of shorting and fear. the BOJ narrative has been spreading a lot of FUD and then people calling it the end of the bull cycle. So Selling pressure re-affirms these fears and causes more selling which hits stop losses and margin calls.

hank1321

quantum computers are real threat to crypto. they are threat to any system that uses public key cryptography. that is a fact and not some FUD gimmick. the good thing is that we have the tools to upgrade blockchains to be quantum-proof. there are already many quantum-resistant algorithms. and there are already proposals to do this, e.g., BIP360 for bitcoin. but it takes time to achieve consensus, make the technical upgrade, and move all coins to quantum-proof addresses. there is a reason why all the other industries (tech, banking, military, telcom, etc) are working on post-quantum cryptography, for example: * **Cloudflare** uses hybrid post-quantum key exchange by default across its network, which handles \~20% of all websites. In October 2025 they announced a huge milestone: the majority of human-initiated traffic with Cloudflare is using post-quantum encryption. (Source: [Cloudflare](https://blog.cloudflare.com/pq-2025/)) * **Apple** added post-quantum encryption to iMessage in 2024. (Source: [Apple](https://security.apple.com/blog/imessage-pq3/)) * **Google** has added PQC to Chrome and Android. (Source: [Google](https://security.googleblog.com/2024/08/post-quantum-cryptography-standards.html)) * **Microsoft** has integrated PQC into Windows, Azure, and Microsoft 365. (Source: [Microsoft](https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security/blog/2025/08/20/quantum-safe-security-progress-towards-next-generation-cryptography/)) * **IBM** is testing quantum-safe tools for mobile networks. (Source: [IBM](https://www.ibm.com/quantum/quantum-safe)) * **Amazon Web Services (AWS)** offers PQC options for cloud data protection. (Source: [Amazon](https://aws.amazon.com/security/post-quantum-cryptography/)) * **Intel** added PQC support to its software tools in 2025, enabling quantum-safe encryption for cloud applications. (Source: [Intel](https://builders.intel.com/solutionslibrary/accelerate-post-quantum-cryptography-with-intel-crypto-technologies)) It's a technical problem that we can solve if we want to. but if we do not solve it, it's going to be bad times when Q-day comes. When it comes, no one knows. it can be 5, 10, or 25 years from now, but it is pretty certain that it will come.

NativeSkill

This is stupid people falling for FUD and selling them their bitcoin at a loss.

jawni

>Polkadot has the most active developer community right behind Solana. Yes, it's user base is very low, but they've been building infrastructure. And it's been like this how many years? Solana's development led to usage, almost instantly. I think this is very much apples to oranges. >There's a lot of FUD around this project, there was also a ton of FUD around Solana when it was trading at $4. At $4, Solana was still relatively unknown. It didn't face major FUD until the bear market/FTX crash and outages happened. And neither of those things had any lasting negative effects beyond reputation. Again, I think this is apples to oranges.

user_name_checks_out

I have had the impression recently that there is an uptick in FUD. People (or bots) are taking talking points that would fit perfectly on r-slash-buttcoin and posting them here instead. It feels like we are being astroturfed.