FUD

BritishBully

Anyone still claiming that CRO isn't going to $2.71 is just spreading FUD ! [/s]()

brando2131

Weird reasoning. Coldcard is a product that people would have still used regardless of the "dumb hive mind FUD about ledger.

Disavowed_Rogue

FUD

Disavowed_Rogue

FUD

Disavowed_Rogue

FUD

Disavowed_Rogue

FUD and dangerous

Outrageous_Raise_535

This whole fiasco was prompted by people overreacting to ledger recover. Which was a dumb idea rolled out in a dumb way. However ledger has always been a solid product besides that. It’s sad to think that a lot of people lost money by listening to the dumb hive mind FUD about ledger. I was using ledger at the time, looked into the FUD, concluded it was baseless, and kept my coins where they were. Ultimately the thing which protects you is having some technical knowledge and the ability to sift through information on that basis. If you’re worried about secure seed generation, it isn’t magic. The seed is basically a long number. The “words” in the seed phrase represent parts of the number. You need a good source of entropy to make the words truly random. Ledger is probably fine. I have had coins on a ledger for nearly 10 years without any problems.

Disavowed_Rogue

FUD

hodler1992

So much FUD. Beautiful bottom zone

UzItOrLuzIt

These posts are manufactured garbage. ESL and yet 100% perfect English, purporting to use the pinnacle tech to secure their password from their sub-first world nation to protect their first world nation reasonably high-level stack. Coming out in droves to smother the boards. This is a FUD campaign. Clear, obvious and smooth brain designed to say the least. They want your coins/SATS. These sob-stories are fake and designed to shake your confidence. Very few from shithole situations/countries had the wherewithal to accumulate early enough, or significantly enough, to produce the loss tragedies being peddled on the boards for the past 2 weeks. 100% propaganda. Just a pile of fucking lies to shake your confidence and get you to sell at the low of the cycle.

Doritos707

FUD. This is time to buy. Lets see your comment next time BTC passes 100k

Yodel_And_Hodl_Mode

> You guys will go down in history Actually, within a few months, they'll be forgotten. I doubt most Bitcoiners know what BIP110 was. > they put up a good fight They didn't. They tried to spread FUD and misinformation, and they turned allies into enemies. Many of them declared civil war against Bitcoin, which is hilarious considering they didn't even represent 3% of those running nodes and probably less than 1% of the community as a whole. Now, some of them are trying to figure out how to come slithering back into the community as if they did nothing wrong.

slykethephoxenix

All the quantum FUD cleaned out the sellers. Now nothing is moving the price lower. Selling pressure seems to have all dried up. This works in reverse during bull markets too.

CiaranCarroll

A painful lesson, I'm really sorry that voices here and elsewhere in Bitcoin were not louder about the risk of this exploit. A lot of the responsibility is on people who propagated FUD about the "risks" of dice rolls. I have to question whether that was coordinated, and why other HWWs don't support them. It should be ubiquitous given how central to Bitcoin's principles the idea of verification is. People need to start asking questions around who is behind these accounts. I remember there was more commentary on this when I bought my CC Q a few years ago, so why did it die off. Why were people caught so unawares? Maybe it was simply a preference for over-engineered solutions in technical communities, and an antipathy to the analogue solutions available to anyone.

crooks4hire

Pretty surprising to me how quickly FUD whipped this situation from shitty proprietary codebase into “bitcoin is under attack”.

BigDik6355

Exacly. More FUD creation.

Fearless-Second-7230

https://twitter.com/COLDCARDwallet/status/1432681712941735939 That post shows how there were questions raised about entropy, yet nvk just being rude.over the security researchers and saying FUD. It is clear negligence right there, is like a car vendor angry for asking about breaks quality.

ConcernSquare2474

You got deleted because there are several threads already and you obviously dont give a shit. Because you either are to dump to look shit up or you want to keep the FUD going.

Gangaman666

True. I try not to complain too much, this space has enough FUD and ridiculous drama.

TheRicFlairDrip

I transferred $10k less than three weeks ago to my bank account, came within a day or two, delete this FUD

retrorays

sounds like bs - and FUD generation. Kraken is one of the best, and most experienced, exchanges out there. Why would you think they are insolvent??

CiaranCarroll

This is FUD. If you're concerned you can just roll them a few more times. It's a fucking stupid argument only an autistic person would come up with, or someone with strategic interest limiting the security of normal people by propagating disinformation. Either way, explain why using multiple dice or rolling a few more times doesn't mitigate against the lack of true randomness? Or don't, I don't, I won't respond either way.

MrMoo151515

We’ll see what happens today with the BIP110 stuff but after all the FUD the last couple of weeks and the price held I think we’ve bottomed. Doesn’t mean we’re going up any time soon but I doubt it goes lower

Careless_Product_792

No they did not. https://gitlab.com/walletscrutiny/walletScrutinyCom/-/work_items/340 All evidence is there that they just claimed FUD when security researches wanted to audit their shit.

HoldenVJ

Kudos! Good job destroying the FUD

SeriousGains

Absolutely. This Coldcard hack is one that actually brings fear, uncertainty and doubt to the HODLers, the group previously impervious to FUD. While affecting a rather small proportion of total users, it puts into question the core tenants Bitcoin, the safety and security of self-custody.

kobriks

Quantum FUD is still alive and well. Plenty of Joes still believe Bitcoin will be broken any day now

Disavowed_Rogue

FUD and stupidly. DCA and hodl

btwwhichoneispink

FUD is FUD, just keep stacking 🤙

Blade_Runner_69

Yep 100% co ordinated FUD. It's so pathetic these no life losers spend so much time crying about BTC!

gphie

A hardware wallet is still the best place for your coins. Ledger's RNG is solid and you can be sure manufacturers are gonna be obsessing over preventing another bug like coldcard in the future. Still, no form of protection is 100% effective, but succumbing to FUD shows you may not actually know what you invested in and you may just be speculating. If you're scared, a high yield savings account with fdic insurance may be more up your alley

baddabaddabing

Total overreaction. FUD is rampnat. Dont let that shit crawl under your skin. Educate yourself.

Blade_Runner_69

Sloppy Ai FUD post alert 🚨

SafeMoonJeff

Old news and highly exaggerated. As far as I know, only influencers/crypto millionaires or people working in the industry (CEOs) have been targeted. No "casual" user like you and me has been "attacked." I swear people FUD whatever and whenever the opportunity presents itself. Cheers

HughHonee

I think most of the "tainted bitcoin" shit is FUD I imagine addresses are blacklisted, and maybe coin that comes directly from it. But any individual can make as many of their own wallets as they want and spread them through out those to mix with "untainted coin" Then randomly swapped for another coin from various sources and boom, Bob's your uncle. Plus I doubt many platforms are going to turn away someone from depositing a sizeable amount of crypto onto their platform because some it came from a wallet linked to hacked funds many transactions ago

Aqua-Barracuda

Just in time for the FUD to drive down the price before the halving. 😂🤣

Ginux

It must be acknowledged that we cannot completely detach ourselves from the banking system at this stage, and the banking industry has an incentive to maintain this dependence by FUD . Therefore, the whole point of KYC lies in switching between the 2 systems. We don't need to completely reject KYC, you can divide your assets into 2 parts: KYC assets that need to be exchanged with banks, and off-grid assets that controled by yourself. This is easy to achieve, and I've been doing it since 2013.

Kitchen_Catch3183

Get a PhD in computer science and become a subject matter expert in cryptography. Then post here with your findings and get banned for FUD before becoming ostracized by the community as a whole.

Hypnotic101

2073 to hit 1M? lol. Trying to spread FUD?

Lazy-Effect4222

We are not even remotely close to that. And when someone is, it’s still far from a malicious actor gaining that tech. It’s not like Google or MIT will start stealing bitcoin. At some point we will likely be there. But right now the FUD around it is just stupid. Not the mention the same tech will bring the whole world to it’s knees. Everything is secured by those algos. Some systems can be fixed, some can’t. And the current VPN/email/etc traffic that is being logged by multiple actors is going to be a huge issue. Bitcoin is the least of our problems when encryption breaksz

CiaranCarroll

You have to wonder who was propagating that bullshit FUD. Maybe HWWs that didn't use that feature, in favour of using code-driven entropy that you cannot validate the way you could with ColdCard?

Intrepid_Interest912

FUD

KylianHaaland11

I'm a Bitcoin Maxi... The thing is that banks can rollback that if it happens... Worse case scenario they have the backing of the government to rollback any damage. Bitcoin doesn't. Just an opinion, I repeat I'm a Bitcoin Maxi, I will keep buying because I think the Quantum threat is FUD so won't deter me.

fuckswithboats

So you want bitcoin to be regulated? That’s the only way a govt will be defining “ownership”. The exchanges were the first bad thing to happen in crypto - the market was better when the difficulty of setting up a wallet and node was the moat. Exchanges brought in stupid money and carnival barkers who turned the whole thing into a sideshow. The exchanges aren’t gonna do shit - you think Steak n Shake will refuse them a burger because they used a mixer? The feeling you’re having now, and all of these “ideas to fix coldcard hack” are just the real life examples of what everyone writes off as “FUD”.

l_Pulser_l

Big money wants in to control it soo bad its all part of the plan. The FUD campaign from the media will not stop until their madters get what they want.

Frosty_Reporter_1250

Max FUD. Time to buy.

DRAGULA85

You’re waiting for the bottom absolute tip. Not gonna happen. Just DCA when Bitcoin is dipping. It’s amazing price right now Sure, $60k is better than $64k but you might not catch it. The whole point of DCA is to buy regardless of price. And it’s best to do it when all the FUD is screaming that it is a bear market.

Romanizer

Who cares about who is going to implement their Bitcoin strategy first? The only winning move is to hold on to as much Bitcoin as possible and always has been. If you are able to shake others off through FUD, good for you but regular traders should probably stick to 'buy and hold'.

polishsuszi

Crypto was much better during Biden and all the FUD of Democrats. Much worse during 'the best Crypto president' first two years back in office

TopEmotional6734

Would you really call a huge amount of peoples crypto being hacked when they had it stored in what a layman would think is the safest way FUD?

ComfortableGas5223

You ever notice that right towards the end of a bear cycle, there’s a sudden attack or exchange collapse causing sudden FUD and price drop? Then major governments start buying at the bottom… Maybe all anecdotal but interesting timing nonetheless.

classified_x

so buy it, but don't come around to hold hands. there is no FUD tbh... not until it starts dropping 10% everyday, with some 15-20% spikes... not until much lower

Gh0st_Pirate_LeChuck

Quit adding to the FUD

nonkeywayzee

1. Not really open source, just code available 2. They discarded all disclosed [attacks as FUD](https://njump.me/nevent1qqs0psuaeev9f3hqau0sn4kj7n282pd5ayjn2hxhlm3ay427g28e8ygpzfmhxue69uhk7enxvd5xz6tw9ec82cszyql6ph5spag4lu0j48prj7k7hj396470t8zlud9da3q3gms3aapsvyq08w6) and[ didn't compensate researchers](https://thecharlatan.ch/COLDCARD-Supply-Chain/). They created a situation where nobody had a single incentive to check their code, in an industry where it is pretty much standard practice to get your code reviewed by competitors. So don't blame competitors or researchers, Coldcard created an environment where nobody would want to help them and the little help they got despite such environment [got rejected even when being obviously critical](https://x.com/jamesob/status/2084624605969350915).

Thin_Needleworker795

No it does not. Quantum computers cannot break a properly generated bitcoin seed with good entropy. Please stop spreading all this FUD.

Disavowed_Rogue

FUD

Tanksgivingmiracle

Facts that you don't like are not FUD. Every time my credit card or bank account was stolen from, I got all my money back. This has happened at least 5 times over the last 30 years.

Todo_es

No, that's FUD and disinformation. A 24 word seed is impossible to hack. Please ask LLM's orcdi a basic research. This is a well known fact. Nobody can brute force 258 bits entropy. The possibilities are higher that the numbe vof atoms in the entire universe.

Jpotter145

No. Ledger doesn't work that way. If it had a "manditory" firmware update it would also have the direct download to install (no link) - but, it doesn't even offer a firmware update unless you go look for one. You can *alway*s use the wallet without updating the firmware. Just trying to make up more FUD huh?

Intrepid_Interest912

Odd that isn’t it it’s almost like everyone’s posting FUD to keep he prices down while the people in the know scoop it all up before the next bull run starts 😜

_GOREHOUND_

1. There’s scam calls/mails/websites on a daily basis. 2. If you’d really want to warn them, you could mention the three suspects and everybody could make their own decision. This isn’t a warning, this is FUD. 3. Knows more about what? Share the suspects and take it from there.

Cryptocaller

Whoa whoa easy with the truth pal. That doesn’t help this guys Ledger FUD narrative or his lack of understanding lol

Todo_es

Good info to stop de mindless FUD from the uninformed masses. This was a Colcard issue, NOT a Bitcoin or safe-custody issue. Trezor and Ledger seed words are impossible to hack since they make sure their TRGN' s are 256 bit entropy, and are thoroughly tested and certified,

Tennisboat

This is what I’m here to see! No more FUD and „lost my stack“ posts by bots.

nonkeywayzee

They should have taken the coda quality and user claims more seriously. On top of they should have persecuted researchers who submitted bug reports and they should have paid them for finding bugs. These are things you MUST do it you are a serious cybersecurity company, even if your code isn't open source (which Coldcard's wasn't it was just code available), Coldcard didn't take it seriously and decided to invest all the investor money in marketing instead of product, be dishonest about their bugs and security and discarded everything as FUD usually shifting attention to competitors. What happened is the consequences of many things, not just AI cracking codes.

MrMpeg

He's talking about the coldcard fiasco. Makes people doubt the whole self custody thing. Never put all egg into the same basket is my take away from this. Nothing fundamental has changed to Bitcoin itself though. When there is FUD it's most often good to accumulate.

FitCompetition1804

It’s not FUD if you generated a seed on a Coldcard MK3 and on. It is if you didn’t, which is the vast majority of folks who may also be panicking because they don’t understand what’s going on.

LanguageStudyBuddy

How is this FUD? Its a fact that these wallets will be drained unless the owners move them to a safer holding method or an exchange

Keefryan

Err. Because the seed generation process is completely different to coldcard. Suggest you dyor before spreading FUD

ConcernSquare2474

I prefer to understand what I’m doing, in particular about my money. No need to do anything. Your FUD is useless in me.

ConcernSquare2474

FUD much?

quintavious_danilo

Let the FUD begin.

Blade_Runner_69

🚨FUD BOT🚨 Post your transaction or this never happened.

Todo_es

Finally! The correct title and content. Just facts: This was ALL on Coldcard (a very small company with a very scammy CEO). No FUD against Bitcoin, self-custody or hard wallets in general.

Eastern-Try-6207

Let's face it; if it's so simple to execute a heist like the one that is allegedly still being perpetrated, then why the fuck has coinkite not conducted the experiment themselves, wiping out every wallet possible and recording the public addresses of each of the holders so that the funds can be returned. Everyone sitting her saying run like your ass is on fire, is not thinking. If this is so easy to hack - Do it and return the funds to their owners. If it's not so easy to perpetrate a crime of this nature then I ask you, who the fuck has the resources to pull something like this off? Who figured this out? Do we really believe this was done by some teenager in his bedroom? And the timing is certainly interesting too. Institutional investors are left with no choice but to enter the bitcoin space and they want total control. This has FUD written all over it. Someone is trying to dishearten the plebs and get them all running to exchanges who will probably subsequently go bankrupt. The message is very clear to the plebeian of the bitcoin space - you are too stupid to self custody your bitcoin, you need the more capable and enlightened ones to do that for you. The whole shitshow is sus.

Tanksgivingmiracle

Tinfoil hats will protect you from opinions you don’t like.   I mean FUD.

SeriousGains

Wait for the FUD articles and Jamie Dimon’s annual “it’s all a hyped up fraud” speech, now pointing to Cold card.

Elusive_BTC

Stupid FUD. Where's the proof?

KryptoKed

This bear market IMO has come with even more FUD than the last bear market / FTX blow up. Bitcoin still sitting at $63k is BULLISH

brassassasin

and what is the term for when ppl start calling FUD at any sensible mention of a threat to crypto?

Significant-Fan-8938

Then if you don’t own a coldcard you should still be bullish. Just because coinkite fucked up doesn’t mean every other company did too. FUD being thrown around like crazy. Use this to upgrade your security, better passphrase, learn about multisig, multiple devices, etc etc.

Kemilio

Of course they call it FUD, they’re terrified of it happening. It’s an emotional response, not a logical one.

NerdFarming

People called fears about quantum computers FUD. This feels like a preview of that.

Todo_es

1. Bear market is a great time to buy 2. Bottom or near bottom is an excellent time to buy 3. FUD times drops are the best times to buy Now we are on all three simultaneously, so ofcourse smart people are buying now. Only the uninformed and manipulable masses are selling.

Ready_Education5326

No it doesnt Theres waves of FUD like this every cycle. Last one it was ledger Now it's cold card. There will be more in the future Notice how this kind of fud always starts cropping up during the cycle low? Dont let them shake you out of your bags

VisiblePlatform6704

No, you don't understand how these things work in real life.  Your comment sounds like the Linux apologists when they said "it's a hardware vendor problem, not Linux problem" when X devices didn't work in Linux:   The fact is, that Linux doesn't work for many people,  it may not be Linux fault, but it's still it's problem. In the case of Bitcoin, sure, if we dive into technicals we can split hairs in much detail. But for the many non-technical people , this just leaves them with FUD about  bitcoin in general.   For those of us with more technical knowledge,  it's easy to point and blame, but it makes me sad that this is just  huge negative press for bitcoin in general. 

proofofderp

The FUD posts are making me bullish if anything. It’s a good wake up call on custody and how vigilant you have to be. Wallet diversification has always been my strategy so this episode in wealth sovereignty (not BTC) backs that thought. For those who have to start over, bear market is as good a time as any. May the sale persist for a while longer.

cliff_smiff

I'm gonna take this chance to say that FUD is a braindead term reflective of a braindead mentality. Fear? Uncertainty? Doubt? Yes these are real factors in life. Dismissing doubt is the absolute height of arrogance.

Shot_Pipe_3798

The FUD is heavy today.

ZTech11223

FUD

OBvanken

Coinbase sit on many peoples cryptos. Check it. It is one of the last exchange I would trust. Somehow their name pops up as “safe” during this FUD. Funny.

supahmcfly

Right on time boys, it's FUD o' clock

ConcernSquare2474

FUD the last days is unreal. Is Bitcoin dead now??? Is self custody dead now??? Same question asked over and over again. Total noobs and Bitcoin haters (you can tell by conclusion they draw) thinking they can push their shit on the back of Coinkite victims. Bottom must be near.

CiaranCarroll

The affected users absolutely did something wrong. What are you talking about? I'm an idiot and I knew that I should use dice and a passphrase. I think we're dealing with a lot of kids who are looking for someone to blame. Maybe the state scared them, and they thought that bitcoin was a more benevolent God that will protect them. But Bitcoin never promised to protect them, it only ever promised that they would have the tools to protect themselves. And it has, Cold Card provided the tools. It had a big, but it made a big song and dance about the fact that software has bugs and you should be adding your own entropy. "But I didn't know!?!" Now you do. Go back to fiat or stay, nobody cares. Cold Card should have made their device less user friendly by forcing dice rolls. I'm getting sick of this shit, I've been trying to create a business for years and nobody gives a shit if I succeed or fail, live or die, but we're supposed to all suddenly wear kid gloves for kids who made a basic fucking user error?!? I came here for a just world built on sovereign individuals. If that is too hard for you go back to the state and maybe you become our biggest enemy, a "former bitcoiner" used by FUD-merchants. Either way, Bitcoin will still be here for you when you get a grip of your senses.

Ar0war

he lies and ther communities wants him ban because all he does is spread FUD: [https://www.reddit.com/r/LEASHarmy/comments/p6kqnn/can\_we\_ban\_urishucrypto\_yet\_all\_he\_does\_is\_fud/](https://www.reddit.com/r/LEASHarmy/comments/p6kqnn/can_we_ban_urishucrypto_yet_all_he_does_is_fud/) With that CC darama there is a lot of people going out their caves to spread FUD. Don´t trust, verify. If the person doesnt upload any proof, then is a lie.

Sammy262

90% of the comments in here show that people don't understand bitcoin and don't understand what actually happened - but they still feel the need to spread FUD or misinformation.

pythosynthesis

Throughout the entire post you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of how any of this works. So much so it makes me think you've never had anything in cold storage, let alone "nearly a decade" - 2017 and holding throughout? Smells of BS. The seed is the only thing that matters. No firmware or software update can change the seed. And the hack now exploits the weakness of the seed, not some botched update to some software that made all h coins disappear. I judge this FUD, 10/10.

Todo_es

> I ain’t reading all that but... That´s the issue, the FUD and misinformation thrive because the ignorant masses panic by NOT KNOWING what really happened and not realizing this has nothing to do with Bitcoin or its code and the issue was just one bad small company with a bad dev who didn´t do any basic check before publishing and implementing the new HW software.

RecoverOld9545

Bro the ETFs are going to be the main way for most people to buy BTC anyway because it's already integrated into tradfi and people don't want to learn how to self custody. Very few people in the world will hold BTC long term in cold wallets, even less now due to the FUD.

Todo_es

Yes, it has taken a hit, no doubt. But not because Bitcoin or self-custody fault rather than FUD spread by comments like yours.