FUD

SoundMoneyWade

It's consistent ability to be declared dead over and over, yet in reality it has continued to grow and grow, even thrive during the FUD. This is due to its past why it was created in the first place and the problems it solves.

__redruM

Isn’t BTC supposed to go up in times like these? Or are you actually posting stock market FUD in a crypto subreddit.

JDB-667

A lot of FUD lately

SoundMoneyWade

HODL is a great strategy if you can hang on through the volatility. Most can't. Those who can, are those who clearly understand Bitcoin and see it for what it is, rather than what it's price is. The key is to first understand what problems Bitcoin solves, then you can see the long term value and can handle the volatility. Which then helps you HODL through the FUD and noise. Does that resonate with other's experience?

No-Presentation4698

The amount of social media FUD around it is the indicator. There is an organized disinformation campaign around crypto in general but specifically XRP. Content creators get their accounts cloned and then reposted with text regarding ridiculous predictions like “XRP to 10000 tomorrow!” The more videos that get put out with crazy claims that don’t come true, the more it adds to the doubt when they don’t come true.

Kareni_Davis

Tried to scare the bitcoin community with quantum FUD, got ratio\`d by a Google researcher who pointed out the "quantum" result works the same as a random number generator. The $120M valuation is doing a lot of work here.

Erowid2S

Did you see what they did with monero? All from a shady looking project with zero real activity, the "community" are very poorly veiled intelligence agents sloppily putting together a "crypto" when really they just have the vast resources needed to FUD monero. Now suddenly we have someone in this sub shilling qubic? When the hype has died? The white paper is seemingly nonsense. Prove me wrong I beg you.

Heavy-Inside-4608

You aren’t wrong on some points but that doesn’t make you right. Investing is an extremely emotionally challenging thing for many people, possibly even most people. Learning to invest means mastering your own personal emotional roller coaster. It also does help people prone to fomo in at an ATH in which case a long DCA actually would come out on top. If DCAing is the alternative to either not being able to pull the trigger at all to invest, or to prevent FOMOing at the worst possible timing (which statistically new and retail traders are known for) then DCA is GREAT! You shouldn’t trash it. Additionally it’s a peaceful mindset that actually works because it develops patience and consistency. 2 values that go a long long ways in investing. Your logic that it’s a terrible strategy is just FUD nonsense. There is not a debate happening about the best possible way to invest. If you knew all the magic sauce you would have more money then you God and you sure as heck wouldn’t be wasting your time on Reddit. The truth is that there is multiple paths to victory. Finding a path that works for you emotionally and financially and allows you to enter the market at all puts you ahead of roughly 80% or more of the population.

harpocryptes

The EF didn't stake with Lido. They just swapped aave weth to wsteth for a quick help to a protocol in deleveraging following the rseth bridge hack. [source](https://xcancel.com/ethereumfndn/status/2047762620703215732) That this narrative about EF staking with Lido exists shows how much anti-ethereum propaganda there is, based on straight up FUD. Pathetic.

WiselyConstant

nah this just FUD

ThereIsNoGovernance

>Well in that case we can trust nothing and go back to burn people to death because they say something we deem stupid and cant be proven. I think you're on to something here. Given the current gov't overreach in the U.K, for instance, literally creating a digital prison just to make sure little jonnie and jenny don't see naughty pictures online. I think this sort of draconian method will become the norm, soon. Oh, and then anyone who questions anything can just be thrown into prison and they can throw away the key -- right? Especially since they won't even be able to boot their devices without handing Starmer a pound of their own flesh. But that aside, my point remains. Being an advocate of free speech, I welcome you to explain, or anyone else for that matter, how we can be sure this thing did anything at all, since no single QC computation has done anything remotely close to exceeding the performance of a Commodore 64, there is nothing here to convince anybody with an I.Q. above room temperature that these computations are actually coming from qubits or just a Pentium chip hidden in the so called QC architecture. Personally I am absolutely amazed that people buy this Q-day FUD, given that it would take all of the current classic computers on earth trillions of years to break a 256 bit ECDSA key. But here you stand, suggesting that Q-day could happen at any moment now. ABSOLUTELY UNBELIEVABLE. Is it possible, given that crypto-currencies are chopping huge chunks out of the money tree built by the banksters, that this is all a bit exaggerated? Whadayathink?

Cptn_BenjaminWillard

> How can someone even believe in this FUD only over Bitcoin, really? Who was even talking about bitcoin? I think that most people here knows that the digital world is built on cryptography. Cryptocurrencies are only small part of that. If my house is going to burn down, I'm going to worry about everything in it, not just the $1000 cash sitting on the table. There are much bigger things at stake.

Revelati123

Usually this much general FUD means its about to gap up.

kwijibokwijibo

The measures being taken are rolling out post-quantum cryptography. Quantum proof encryption already exists - it just takes time and money to change from existing algos like RSA News about quantum computing progress still matters because the clock is ticking. If quantum progresses faster than expected, we need to accelerate the transition ASAP But, of course, you don't have a clue about any of this. You won't understand what I just said. Because you already proved above that you know nothing. You're happy dismissing any talk of quantum as FUD

CoffeeAlternative647

TLDR: simply use some dificult words and new acronyms to spread fud over the sheeps about a nothing burger. How can someone even believe in this FUD only over Bitcoin, really? Financial, military and governmental systems are also screwed and with much ease with than Bitcoin. How are they protecting themselves ? What measures are they taking ? Bitcoin is the least of our problems if this crap ever sees they light of the day

ChillerID

”The most common response to a result at this scale is that 15 bits is nowhere near 256 bits and therefore <insert_cryptocurrency_you_hold> is fine. That reasoning is wrong (unfortunately not FUD/alarmist just physics). The distance from 15 to 256 bits is not a linear slog. Shors algorithm is polynomial in the number of bits being attacked. The logical qubit requirement grows roughly linearly with key size, and once you have fault-tolerant logical qubits the limiting factor is manufacturing and error-correction overhead rather than any new physics. Progress is gated by thresholds and not by brute-forcing the search space one bit at a time. The intuition people borrow from classical key search does not apply here and it is the single biggest source of confusion we encounter. Looking at the research, Googles recent paper put breaking 256 bit keys at under 500,000 physical qubits. The subsequent Caltech and Oratomic paper dropped that down to roughly 10,000 in a neutral-atom architecture. The remaining gap is increasingly an engineering problem rather than a fundamental physics problem. I am not claiming anyone is about to break Bitcoin next week and the uncertainty on the timeline is genuine but the trajectory is objectively clear.” https://x.com/conordeegan/status/2047719641280090275?s=46

Accomplished-Eye5567

It’s not really FUD. Just news that tether froze hundreds of millions of dollars

__redruM

Are we really still, still, doing Tether FUD? Really?

TheresNoSecondBest

Agreed, the sell of old coins will eventually end, although I would expect a longer bear, possibly like the one we had after 2013 bull. The FUD will be everywhere, buttcoin sub will grow, gaining a million ~~bots~~ quantum experts, saying if P2PK spends can by hacked, eVeRyThInG wiLL bE haCkeD!!! This being said, **I prefer the pain instead of freezing anything**. If we'll freeze coins now because of reasons, we'll be freezing coins in the future because of reasons.

Alfador8

Is it time for Tether FUD again already?

AbbreviationsLive475

I needed to hear this Neat … The FUD is thick these days but we shall prevail.

GaRGa77

FUD times :)))

TheresNoSecondBest

>What surprised you the most after using bitcoin for a while? The amount of Shitcoiners attacking Bitcoin with FUD. Like Bitcoin is too slow, expensive, trackable - r/thelightningnetwork, liquid, ark, RGB are fixing that, yet they keep pretending none of them exist.

BioRobotTch

Brilliant post. Drew out a lot on FUD in the comments. Top comment completely ignoring the details and complaining about AI is a feather in your cap!

CapitalIncome845

> it is destined to end in a monumental crash. How so? Just a feeling or actual data? Last month's trope of "oh noes, they'z underwater on their BTC holdings!" has now basically evaporated- bitcoin is basically at their cost basis +/- depending on the minute. And it was just FUD - they've been underwater before (much farther on a % basis), and had no problems at all. The other FUD is "they own too much" yet it's still under 5%. Meaning 95% of the bitcoin is owned by others.

colonisedlifeworld

FUD is in. It’s time to load up and watch it moon.

No-Masterpiece2246

like state actors funding the quantum FUD: Problem/Reaction/Solution etc

lagom_kul

Starting to see why the average Joe/Jane can’t see past stupid posts like. This is actually FUD.

Spaceseeds

What? Listen man, you had one good point, people will say "Bitcoin got hacked" and it will be chaos. I'm okay with that. I'll buy the dip. Pre empting quantum bullshit when it's all just FUD anyway is clown shoes. There's no quantum computer coming for Bitcoin, and if a nation state did have it, Bitcoin would be the last thing they would attack. First they would attack other nations, not something public and scrutinized every day on chain. you are a clown like jameson clown flop

supermanal

Fees like FUD has more or less gone now…

gtwooh

Statements like this show your lack of understanding of the subject outside of incendiary headlines. Already there is BIP-360 (Pay-to-Merkle-Root) on BTQ Bitcoin Quantum testnet; post-quantum signatures (e.g., NIST ML-DSA, SPHINCS+) on Blockstream Liquid sidechain. And if you just hold and have not spent your BTC you’ve never exposed your public keys and thus are not currently at risk. But thanks for spreading FUD

Amining

lol not fishy, just more people actually owning btc and seeing through the FUD. Energy backs Bitcoin. What backs the dollar?

Romanizer

Enormous we even got as far as $60k without any structural failure and just liquidation of traders. All of the FUD we heard this time was extraordinarily weak.

Capable_Swordfish_30

Poorly done FUD for the people that do not know how Internet works, and never heard of the cypherpunk community.

SycoMark

Buttcoiner FUD?  Get youself educated, watch this: https://youtu.be/OkVYJx1iLNs?si=nC-5WWBO_9UGNv7J

freddy_fred1

I believe this is all FUD. Yeah, Quantum exist and is capable of doing things but I doubt is going after Bitcoin. I believe it's all a scheme.

No-Masterpiece2246

Yeah and what if (hypothetically) this is another Bitcoin FUD opportunity to freeze Satoshi's coins, reducing BTC supply by about 50%? It really does sound like "Problem/Reaction/Solution" type social engineering...

TheGreatMuffin

Sorry, I didn't mean to demean P2TR in any way :) Thank you for correction, I will have to read up on Taproot in more detail. I just haven't encountered a lot of "bc1p" addresses in my recent transactions (or maybe I just didn't notice). Since you're here, am I guessing correctly that you are not at all concerned about the recent quantum FUD (in general I mean, looking like 3-5 years ahead)?

SeriousGains

Must be a slow news day. Or… this is FUD.

BaseRape

Can’t get to the yearly low without perfectly timed FUD.

No-Masterpiece2246

Probably state actor FUD

MaximumStudent1839

> This would defeat the purpose of Bitcoin to begin with.  Right now, the consensus around BTC is that it is a "number-go-up" technology. Most ppl suspect those old wallet owners have lost keys to access them. So they won't migrate and eventually get hacked. The threat is the FUD around the Satoshi wallet getting hacked and dumped poses too much headwind for BTC as a number-go-up technology. So in the current iteration around the consensus for BTC's purpose, it is fully aligned.

ThreeTonChonker

It is fascinating seeing the bots at work in this sub. Just nonstop FUD where everyone parrots each other’s skepticism. From the article TLDR: > The proposal would first block new sends to quantum-vulnerable addresses, then freeze legacy signature paths on a five-year clock from activation, leaving any later recovery path for frozen funds as a separate unresolved phase. They’re trying to block people from making pointless, symbolic sends to dead addresses. All of this overlooks the fact that there would be a recovery process if the dead addresses ever tried to reactivate, which they wouldn’t, because they’re completely dead and have had plenty of time to prove otherwise.

No-Masterpiece2246

Yeah the Maxies have to hear it straight from their disciple, otherwise it's Deep State FUD

ObjectiveJackfruit35

Is anyone really surprised? The amount of FUD posted in here and other crypto subs on a daily basis is insane. Wouldn't be surprised at all if it was all coordinated by bots to get paper hands to lose their confidence and give their bitcoin away.

Quirky-Reveal-1669

It hurts. I have 10 years experience. I rationally know I am not at a loss. Still, I suffer FUD, emotionally, during dips. DCA is my therapy, keeping me sane.

CoffeeAlternative647

That's just theory. QC doesn't exist in practice with enough capacity to do any harm to any encryption system. If it harma Bitcoin, it will harm way easier and faster any other encryption. Financial and military systems will be doomed. Bitcoin is the hardest and safest network that ever existed. That's all FUD and theoretic.

DucatiV4S-racer

FUD - all perfectly legal

NorthpoleLovers

This. And some other tips from a guy that sold too early in ‘17, but got back in the saddle with lessons learned. 1. Don’t beat yourself up about it. Nobody, not even the chart squigglers on X, can predict the bottom. You’re close to it, at best. 2. When all hell breaks loose and coins start doing 10, 20, 50 or even 100x, the moment you’re in now feels like a tiny blip from the past. 3. If you’ve got funds available, see it as a DCA opportunity. 4. Have a plan and stick to it. Ignore the noise. Nobody knows what’ll happen (apart from some high ranking individuals that actually pull the strings). 5. Trust your gut feeling to avoid FUD getting the best of you. Talk to you in ‘27 my man 💰

BakedGoods

no he isn't, this us FUD. STRC is a preferred share he's selling to buy BTC and any common used is accretive to the common stock.

Warrior_witha_Garden

This is FUD

tadanderson

FUD

cooltone

FUD pushes me to dig deeper to learn more. Once done I can ignore it and see it for what it really is - clickbait farming. FUD is

Intrepid-Gas7872

I’d genuinely get excited if the FUD evolved to new findings but there’s no new findings.

Warrior_witha_Garden

decades away... FUD. redistribution to what and where ? they will just get burned if they don't get moved but that is the very worse case

Original-Assistant-8

Out on X, the headlines simply say we have a Quantum safe bitcoin. At least they realized their old arguments calling Quantum "FUD" was no longer acceptable. The new tactic, promote as if acceptable solutions exist. Which I actually have said is the better approach to "controlling the narrative" than trying to fight Google, IBM, NIST, NVIDIA, MICROSOFT We're at the stage now people will realize every chain and system using ecdsa has headaches ahead. But it creates a major new market. Signquantum and Qanplatform have demand lying ahead.

Generationhodl

point 1 : it will take a lot of years until quantum computers are powerful enough to crack anything related to bitcoins encryption point 2 : bitcoin core developers / coders can work on that issue and you will be able to switch over to safe addresses in the future that are quantum safe. So.. there will be a problem in a lot of years, but there are also people working on the solution. So just DCA and relax. Quantum FUD is nothing new.

Grunblau

NYT said Bitcoin mines were going to boil the oceans and a variety of other FUD. Finding Satoshi is a holy grail for those who wish Bitcoin harm.

AcostaJA

People who "believes" that 4yr cycles religion, actually what does is promote an fake narrative in order to anticipate naive investors and profit from this absurd. And aren't just random people, we talk about mega whales that build manipulation campaignsn hiring influencers, paying headlines, thousands bots (here and at X, but Elon killed a lot of it), even they have capability to sell large amounts just to build hype on that narratives. I've id, the typical FUD weekend and it's respective Market Manipulation Monday (some random whale sells suddenly when most market are closed a bunch of Bitcoin pushing down it price), they do that also to protect theirs Long or shorts (often longs). A bunch of tactics that you get used to detect. Only valid Bitcoin narrative is there are only 21 million Bitcoins.

Choice_Potato_6279

Nothingburger FUD, actually bullish because they want to dump and pump.

colonisedlifeworld

FUD

mr-fybxoxo

Late 2017 Bitcoin hit 20k first time, late 2022 Bitcoin hit 17k. I knew it was a good time to buy but I let the FUD news get to me at the time. We are in different times.

colonisedlifeworld

FUD

dutch_85

Nice try SOL. Just FUD here boys.

No-Masterpiece2246

7 year risk is literally the definition of FUD. Goldman Sachs will probably own half of the world's BTC and rig the price 100% by then anyway.

HumanNo109850364048

8 years, but need to eliminate/resolve the quantum FUD

GooodNiightaringding

PQ alternatives for https and the like already exist, just waiting to be deployed. "Normal people" don't need to know about this stuff because it won't affect them. For crypto it's different. Even chains that switch to PQ in time still require user action. A vulnerable wallet cannot be "upgraded", it has to be replaced. So what do you do with wallets that don't switch in time?  And then you have chains that don't have a working PQ plan. Like, I don't know, Bitcoin? No matter how big of a BTC maxi you are, beyond acting like quantum computers are just FUD there is no way to avoid very difficult questions for a community that's historically had a difficult time making any meaningful changes to their chain. Of course this topic is especially relevant for crypto.

World_Deep

FUD

Best_Day_3041

I don't think it's total FUD, it's legit risk, I'm just imagine there's tons of other things that are also at risk if they are not fixed.

mrpotatonutz

Meet the new FUD same as the old FUD. Quantum computing can be equally used to secure the blockchain

async9

ok so the cracking starts when a transaction is broadcasted. at that point the quantum computer learns about a public key and starts cracking for the private key. it needs to finish that before the block is mined (approx 10 minutes). That's one transaction. hmm ok. Yeah I think we're good. I think this is just FUD. I think we will get upgrades before the threat is actually near.

Dramatic_Studio5541

We are years away from any quantum computer having anywhere near enough cubits to even remain stable for long enough to do anything for 9 mins. Even then, they only have a max 10min window to attempt to hack someone’s keys and redirect funds. By then, the network would have mostly transitioned to quantum resistant wallets. This is all just sensationalist FUD bullshit

DrSpeckles

Hooray. Someone else who studied physics. If more people understood what a quantum computer actual was (theoretically) then we wouldn’t have all this FUD.

madmancryptokilla

FUD

lambdasintheoutfield

Im so sick of this bullshit narrative - ITS NOT JUST BITCOIN THATS VULNERABLE This is stupid oogs boogs FUD and fuck the OP and everyone else posting this moronic slop

mrpotatonutz

Meet the new FUD same as the old FUD personally I’m buying

Phantasizer

Well there was someone in another thread who mentioned that as soon as you’re trying to liquidate more than a few thousand, the exchanges are gonna freeze your account. Since I have no experience with selling BTC at all, I wanted to know if this is just FUD stuff, and thx to this thread I now know for sure that he just made that up.  In hindsight I realize that it was a dumb comment, but it’s hard to gauge if anything that you read in here is trustworthy or not There are some people who just like to stir sh** up, and others who don’t want to hear anything other than that Bitcoin is the best thing since sliced bread and will soon be worth millions and the next world-currency…

TheBigLR901

"Cracked" and identified are two different things. BTC has always been public and transparent. Its fundamental of the way it works. Do a little edumacation on SHA256. It will take a billion quantum computers, twice the age of the universe to even have a 10% chance of "cracking" BTC. Dont belive the FUD.

Complete-Nothing-758

FUD. stop this bro. shorting now because of quantum threat is hilarious.

ThreeTonChonker

The FUD is getting so desperate it’s hilarious. Market makers should just start begging people to sell their coins for cheap instead of bothering with this eyerolling bullshit.

partymsl

Just let the devs fix it and bury this stupid FUD once and forever.

ThreeTonChonker

The mods here are hilarious. They must be trolling us all by allowing this sub to be brigaded with all these FUD threads. Ban these dorks already. Quantum computing is decades away from being a threat.

Gangaman666

Oh is it that time of the week? Quantum FUD time! It's not close and the only people who say it is, have either low knowledge on the matter or have something to sell and are banking on the public's fear.

PheelGoodInc

If quantum can crack bitcoin it can crack everything... banks are much more susceptible and are a bigger target. Quantum is just FUD for people who haven't done enough research.

Old_Shop_2601

"we verify"??? Lmao. What are you verifying? What's your ground truth in your verification process? Google does not create FUD about BTC as they have 0 incentive to do so, neither IonQ. Quantum computing existed well before BTC was a thing. It is funny to see idiotic crypto bros thinking that quantum computing target is BTC, lol. BTC and any crypto project have only thing to do: protect themselves against quantum computers

terp_studios

Exactly. I’m getting tired of this quantum FUD. We’re as close to breaking encryption with quantum computing as we are to living on Mars.

GaRGa77

FUD me more…

ConstructionClear142

You literally just described tether lmao. Like word for word that's the tether FUD and it's not even FUD it's just what happened.

sgtslaughterTV

I'm wondering what you think the problem is. There's no misleading clickbait in the title. "Cutting through the FUD to understand Bitcoin's True Quantum Risk."

ThreeTonChonker

10th thread on this in the last week despite the fact that this is not a threat for decades. FUD. Fuck off already.

AcostaJA

Again, old news on delayed FUD weekend, and failed Market Manipulation Monday

debtfreegoal

Bitcoin would be impacted. Other things would be impacted. We all would be impacted in some way. My main complaint is, no one ever seems to be willing to have an open discussion about QC. It’s like a taboo subject. Any attempt at discussion is derailed by the same old arguments, look over there 👉 or FUD, or you don’t know what you’re talking about. That is where most of my frustration comes from. I think education and communication on the subject is what is lacking. Not dogma.

CGI_OCD

This FUD again. 🥱

Darkerjev

It’s just FUD. Fear, Uncertainty , Doubt. Anyone arguing in good faith would first address that the world’s national security is at stake. The FBI, CIA, the Pentagon. Nuclear Passcodes. Bank accounts. All of that would be able to be hacked long before bitcoin. We would have absolute chaos, but these jokers decide to talk about Bitcoin first. Lol.

Teraninia

Yeah, we should definitely believe the "it's just FUD" slogans coming from the randos on reddit over the scientists at Google.

SillyMoneyRick

No, it's a direct response to FUD that doesn't present any new information. Why are there articles explicitly about how this affects Bitcoin only? It's like saying, "your car may be totaled if the sun implodes!"

Wang_King8

Going lower isn’t good for you noobs. It makes you FUD and panic sell then you all start posting crying posts. It’s nothing new.

Xiximaro

Google is investing in nuclear I think, but last time I check it wasn't dozens... Só yeah, pretty much FUD, they are probably overselling their new algorithm, QuantSomething and tought it would revolutionize every industry, just like currently everyone oversells AI

ThreeTonChonker

Annoying FUD. Unless Google is secretly funding a dozen nuclear power plants, they don’t have the energy to pull this off and neither does anywhere else in the world.

Left_Entrepreneur918

More FUD and most people on this sub are eating it up, sell your bitcoin if you’re going to sell it. If quantum breaks sha256 the entire world’s encrypted environment goes with it, Bitcoin will be the last of your worries.