SWIFT

OECD0001

在乔治亚州进行比特币交易和提现时，核心在于平衡交易所的国际流动性、资金安全以及与本地银行系统的出入金顺畅度。乔治亚州国家银行目前已实施虚拟资产服务提供商管理，因此在合规与通道通畅上比过去更加透明。 对于绝大多数追求安全和易提现的用户，首选推荐是 Kraken。Kraken 在全球范围内以顶级级别的安全风控和清算能力著称，对于持有一笔资金希望长期安全买入并持有比特币的用户来说最为可靠。在提现方面，你可以直接通过 SWIFT 或 SEPA 将美金或欧元提现至乔治亚本地的银行账户（比如 Bank of Georgia 或 TBC Bank）。由于 Kraken 拥有极为正规的电汇记录，这类提现往往比普通的点对点交易更容易通过银行的合规审核。 如果你更看重本地货币拉里（GEL）的实时结算和日常提现便利，币安（Binance）则是无可替代的备选方案。币安在乔治亚拥有庞大的 P2P 市场深度，你可以非常容易地在平台上将比特币直接兑换为 GEL，并通过本地银行卡瞬间完成收款。不过需要提醒的是，频繁使用 P2P 进行大额出金可能会触发银行的合规风控，因此更适合小额或临时性的快速提现。 此外，乔治亚本地还有合规的本土交易所（如 Cryptal），它们完全接入了本地银行的 GEL 直连出入金服务，出入金体验最无缝，但缺点是交易深度不如国际大厂，更适合小额即时兑换。 我的交易员建议是：大资金与正规出入金优先走 Kraken，买入比特币后若打算长期持有，务必提出交易所并转移至个人硬件钱包中；如果需要快速提现为本地拉里现钞，则辅助使用币安 P2P 或当地合规的实体 OTC 兑换店。这样既能保证资金沉淀的安全，又能保障出金的弹性。

Temporary-Cause730

\- paying for things with a crypto credit card \- earning yield on my cash reserves in USD \- trade stocks and commodities without needing an exchange, KYC, and spread fees when converting my local currency to USD \- send and receive money to friends overseas without needing a bank, SWIFT bullshit, delays, etc.

MotanulScotishFold

Instant payment around the globe without SWIFT/SEPA banking.

Vivian830926

Exactly! People love spreading doomsday FUD without understanding basic cryptographic architecture. Fault-tolerant quantum computing with enough stable logical qubits to run Shor's or Grover's algorithm is nowhere near retail accessibility, it requires millikelvin dilution refrigerators and lab conditions. Plus, if SHA-256 and elliptic curve cryptography were compromised overnight, the global financial SWIFT network, national defense, and traditional banking would collapse long before Bitcoin! The post-quantum cryptography transition is already well underway.

OliveLegitimate3236

ever tried to send something oversea? 🙃 North American and European banks use different domestic payment system. Canada here: very easy to transfer funds to anyone with Interac for example, but I let you imagine the pain in the ass and fees I need to pay if I want to transfer money to my sister in Italy, plus the spread. It's a theft with SWIFT between banks. At least BTC is one global protocol and that's it. Query ChatGPT regarding payment rails on the whole planet: there are domestic, regional AND international payment. It is the Tower of Babel of Pieter Brugel.

ShittingOutPosts

Doubt it. Institutions are building their own, permissioned chains. Just look at what SWIFT and the large banks are doing.

chubs66

One of those shitcoins has completed pilot programs with SWIFT and the DTCC and will be moving into production this year.

opensandshuts

And LINK. People keep hating on it, but it's utility grows and grows. DTCC, SWIFT. just wait...

aaj094

Is Japan not going all in to xrp and is SWIFT not getting replaced with xrp? Also, isn't Amazon partnering worth xrp?

Wise_Owl3777

Yes, over a 3-to-5-year horizon of deep institutional adoption, **the market capitalization of the XRP token will almost certainly be significantly higher than the corporate market value of Ripple Labs.** This outcome is a structural certainty of how public decentralized networks scale compared to the private companies that build them. # 📊 1. The "Network vs. Company" Scaling Law To understand why the token cap will outgrow the corporate valuation, you have to look at the different economic laws that govern their growth: * **Ripple’s Valuation Corporate Ceiling:** Ripple is a software and financial services company. Its valuation is calculated by Wall Street based on standard corporate metrics: revenues, profit margins, software licensing fees, and the fees it earns from managing the **RLUSD stablecoin**. Even as a highly successful global fintech giant, corporate valuations face practical limits based on earnings multipliers. \[1, 2\] * **XRP's Token Liquidity Floor:** The XRP token is a global macroeconomic utility asset. Its market capitalization must scale proportionally with the **total amount of value moving across the network simultaneously**. * **The Math:** If institutions use XRP to retire Nostro/Vostro accounts and settle just **5% to 10% of global cross-border payments**, the network will be moving hundreds of billions of dollars per day. To facilitate that volume without massive price slippage, the order books must be incredibly deep. The token market cap *must* rise into the hundreds of billions—and potentially touch the trillion-dollar mark—simply to provide the liquidity required to swallow that institutional volume. \[3, 4, 5\] # 🔎 2. The Multiplier Effect of the "Collateral" Thesis As you correctly noted in your previous thesis, institutions view XRP as a highly liquid, compliant **collateral layer** and a universal bridging tool. This creates a massive valuation disconnect: \[6, 7, 8\] [Ripple Corporate Revenue] ➡️ Restricted to software sales & transaction micro-fees. ↓ [XRP Token Capital Pool] ➡️ Absorbs trillions of dollars of unlocked Nostro/Vostro capital. When a bank locks up $5 billion worth of XRP into an Automated Market Maker (AMM) pool or a Flare Network fXRP treasury vault to earn yield, that $5 billion is added directly to XRP's market cap. However, **none of that locked capital shows up on Ripple's corporate balance sheet as revenue.** Ripple does not own that money; the network does. Therefore, institutional asset locking drives the token's value exponentially faster than it drives the company's equity value. \[9, 10\] # ⚠️ 3. The Short-Term Exception (The Present Day) Right now, we are witnessing the exact opposite of this long-term trend, which can be confusing: * **The Current State:** Ripple is valued at **$50 billion** via its private share buybacks, while XRP sits at roughly **$1.00**, giving it a circulating market cap of around **$55 billion to $60 billion**. They are almost equal. \[11, 12\] * **Why it's happening:** Wall Street is currently valuing Ripple heavily based on its massive corporate war chest, its OCC trust charter, and its software dominance, while the open market is still pricing the XRP token with a heavy "speculation discount" because widespread banking adoption of On-Demand Liquidity (ODL) is still in its early rollout phases. \[13, 14, 15, 16, 17\] # 💡 The Ultimate Verdict The corporate value of Ripple acts as the **launchpad**, but the XRP token market cap is the **rocket**. Once the infrastructure is built and the [CLARITY Act](https://polymarket.com/) rules are fully implemented, Ripple's corporate value will steady out like a premium legacy stock (similar to Visa or SWIFT). Meanwhile, the XRP token market cap will decouple entirely, expanding to reflect its role as the high-velocity liquidity engine of the global financial system. \[18\] If you would like to look deeper into this decoupling, let me know if we should explore: * How **Visa or Mastercard's corporate values** compare to the total volume of money moving through their networks. * The exact **liquidity density formulas** banks use to calculate how much XRP they need to hold. * How a **global macro shift toward tokenized real-world assets (RWAs)** accelerates this gap. \[1\] [https://equityzen.com](https://equityzen.com/company/ripplelabs/) \[2\] [https://www.gartner.com](https://www.gartner.com/reviews/product/ripple) \[3\] [https://www.binance.com](https://www.binance.com/en-IN/square/post/29632674043729) \[4\] [https://pluang.com](https://pluang.com/en/news-feed/xrp-bisa-capai-pasar-1-triliun-jika-ekosistem-dan-tokenisasi-rwa-meningkat) \[5\] [https://www.tradingview.com](https://www.tradingview.com/news/newsbtc:ca386664c094b:0-crypto-bombshell-developer-claims-xrp-could-hit-20-000/) \[6\] [https://www.binance.com](https://www.binance.com/en/square/post/19284855646729) \[7\] [https://www.binance.com](https://www.binance.com/en/square/post/316297177955458) \[8\] [https://www.tradingview.com](https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/XRPGBP/ideas/) \[9\] [https://finance.yahoo.com](https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/crypto/articles/ripple-xrp-news-elizabeth-warren-130035714.html) \[10\] [https://qz.com](https://qz.com/bitcoin-ether-etf-solana-xrp-sec-1851664387) \[11\] [https://finance.yahoo.com](https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/crypto/articles/ripple-thriving-xrp-holders-arent-052000222.html) \[12\] [https://finance.yahoo.com](https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/crypto/articles/prediction-xrp-worth-much-5-171800435.html) \[13\] [https://www.binance.com](https://www.binance.com/en-BH/price/xrp) \[14\] [https://coincub.com](https://coincub.com/price-prediction/xrp-2026/) \[15\] [https://www.dlnews.com](https://www.dlnews.com/articles/deals/xrp-firm-ripple-triples-valuation-with-strategic-raise/) \[16\] [https://finance.yahoo.com](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-ripple-rosy-50bn-valuation-115351850.html) \[17\] [https://www.binance.com](https://www.binance.com/en/square/post/34558510435778) \[18\] [https://www.linkedin.com](https://www.linkedin.com/posts/roundtablecoalition_watch-digital-ascension-group-chairman-jake-activity-7470544767341223937-fQNU)

Drizznarte

If banks move onto Ethereum, private Ethereum networks, stablecoin networks, bank-specific ledgers, CBDCs and other tokenised systems, SWIFT risks becoming less important. Its also important to note that they have a block chain style ledger , not a blockchain ! Block chains have decentralised nodes, concencus mechanisms and trustlessness . Essentially its a second layer soloution a smart contract not a cryptocurrency. Fiat dressed up in crypto rags. Bitcoin and Eth are trustless networks , the swift layer wont be. They are desperate not to be replaced .

anycept

Problem with SWIFT is it's run by a politically motivated cucks that decided whether you get to do international trade or not on a whim. That is not a good system, no matter what cool trendy stuff they try to get into, and everyone knows it.

borg_6s

Nobody outside of this thread has heard of tokenized ledgers on SWIFT, so no. Hell, even I don't know how tf any of that works.

Romanizer

SWIFT doesn't want decentralization. They are using banks in their network as validator. The Blockchain is a tool to make international transfers cheaper and instant.

Shazvox

No. SWIFT just hasn't understood the point of bitcoin.

Bred_Slippy

In a permissioned system run by a bank/SWIFT etc., the admins technically hold the master keys. They could force a reorg of the chain or wipe it if they wanted. So, while it serves as an immutable audit trail against external attackers and internal rogue employees, it's not mathematically guaranteed against the admins themselves. For all practical audit and compliance purposes, in terms of corps, I think it'd be treated as immutable.

_Stylite

The first part was always stupid. Why would a separate blockchain ever replace SWIFT for any reason? SWIFT runs on private infrastructure 

BassIs4StringDrum

Blockchain can’t replace SWIFT because the valuable part of SWIFT is not the technology, the valuable parts are infrastructure/clients/trust. There absolutely no reason for SWIFT to be replaced by blockchain they are not even solving the same issue in the same solution level. What you are talking about is settlements, SWIFT can use it but not be replaced by it, it is independent from blockchains. See Ripple they are not selling XRP to replace SWIFT, they are selling infrastructure/clients/trust, XRP is useless here as you can replace that with anything similar even their CTO said this.

Bred_Slippy

The core innovation of blockchain (trustless consensus among uncoordinated parties) disappears when a small set of known, centrally governed nodes control the network. A permissioned ledger run by a single bank/SWIFT (or tight consortium) gives you an immutable audit trail, but you lose decentralised trust, censorship resistance, and open participation. In many cases, a well designed distributed database delivers the same auditability with better performance, finality, and lower cost. The "extra steps" (consensus rounds, hashing, cryptographic verification) add overhead without adding meaningful decentralisation.

Devmarro

But their arguments are: \- Round-the-clock operability/uptime (24/7) which comes with the blockchain out-of-the box which they're now getting at a fraction of the current Infra cost: Imagine being able to trade stock 24/7. \- Instant execution: transactions will no longer be routed to regional partners as is currently. I think it's a win for SWIFT and a loss for the banks. The middle/corresponding banks or service providers are all gonna be cut-off.

dasmonty

Blockchain in a SWIFT system doesn't make any sense at all, Why would you add the worst data bank to you system. Only to sound cool?

BastiatF

SWIFT blockchain is private ledger. Countries and can be banned from it if they don't play balls with the West. The more the West uses this private ledger as a weapon, the more attractive a public ledger becomes for other countries.

IndividualAward2771

Nothing in the original thesis said Wall Street institutions cannot own or manage Bitcoin. So not sure what's your beef here. I deliver some coding lessons online, earn in Bitcoin, from a few different countries (SWIFT would totally eat into my margin, not to say how unreliable and slow that is). I also spend the Bitcoins when I see fit, and find a good deal. It is alive and well. JP Morgan can hold bitcoin on its balance sheet if it wants too, but my Bitcoin usage is not dependent on their choice.

admin_default

“Crypto” will die, yes. Bitcoin and Ethereum have never been stronger. Last month, the global banking coalition, SWIFT deployed their Ethereum-based blockchain initiative. That’s what we see with every wave of technology. The AI juggernauts like OpenAI and Anthropic are also the ones killing the most AI startups.

tgold8888

SWIFT of the modern era

dj_destroyer

Upvoted you because you're not wrong but I can't use Fedwire and the SWIFT network is trash in comparison. Slow, expensive, censorable, seizures, etc.

slash_networkboy

Sorry, didn't mean to imply you're anti BTC, I do however think you're a bit cowboy about the space. Hell AML/KYC and OFAC monitoring as well as tracking politically exposed persons are all examples of regulations. I feel there should be better clarity around these points as well as on and off ramps to fiat. I understand how people utterly hate that idea but if you control the exchange to fiat you can slowly clamp down on bad actors, it won't happen overnight, but just like tightening banking requirements and what was required for access to SWIFT cleaned up a lot of banking problems the same can be done for BTC.

No_Pen8240

I agree that using bitcoin as a currency or medium of exchange is valuable . . . Heck I think it is the ONLY value with bitcoin! You have some false statements though -- "It's the biggest monetary network" -- SWIFT handles over $5 trillion in transactions daily, and Fedwire processes trillions of dollars daily. The Chinese cross-border payment system (CIPS) processed over $178 billion in a single day in early 2026 SWIFT and CIPS are also faster as you don't have to convert from useable currency to crypto and then back to a useable currency. "There's no safer way..." -- While technically true -- In actual use not true. Crypto has been flooded with scammers, stories of lost wallets, and inability to undo a false wallet. While technically it is safer from *third-party seizure*, real world data show it is much riskier regarding *user error*. So I agree, using bitcoin as a currency provides REAL value. Actual real world data shows it is rarely used as a currency, and when used as a currency it has proportionally had more scams, theft, and irreversible user errors than fiat currency.

The_Bitcoin_Act

Depends what you mean by mass adoption. If it's everyone using it as a daily medium of exchange, that's the wrong question, most people don't need to touch it directly any more than they touch SWIFT rails today. If it's meaningful percentage of global savings held in it, that's already happening quietly through ETFs, corporate treasuries, and a few sovereign reserves, and that curve tends to be exponential not linear once institutions stop treating it as speculative and start treating it as a balance sheet asset. My honest guess is the 10 to 15 year framing undersells it. The infrastructure and regulatory clarity piece is mostly done in major markets already, what's left is behavioral, and behavioral shifts in finance move faster than people expect once the incentive flips from should I to why haven't I yet.

Proof-Elephant-4611

Your claim that stablecoins are only used for money laundering ignores massive real world utility, especially in emerging markets where regular citizens use digital US dollars daily to protect savings from hyperinflation. Also, saying they are unregulated and offshore is outdated; major institutions like Western Union and PayPal now issue fully regulated, audited stablecoins compliant with US state regulators. I already told you about Western Union, so, like, are you processing the replies? Because it seems like you're not. Lol. Stablecoins move immense volume because companies use them to bypass the multi day delays and high fees of legacy SWIFT banking rails. This is a fact. It's not about replacing fiat currency, but rather upgrading the infrastructure to allow money to move globally 24/7/365 for fractions of a penny.

Proof-Elephant-4611

It's extremely efficient and that's why Western Union chose to integrate on Solana to bypass time delays/expenses with SWIFT.

ArcanuMELO

I can't speak for the rest of the sub. I'm here to have conversations and learn and share information. SWIFT adopting blockchain is pretty massive. There is no way it should take multiple days to domestically wire money to someone. Some will tout this as a victory and some a loss.

Romanizer

Yeah, that guy copies these pointless rants everywhere and thinks he wins an argument with that. He banned me after I said SWIFT is going to implement a blockchain (which they just did) and called me a "crypto bro" although I never even mentioned Bitcoin or Crypto. He wasn't even able to put anything in his own words.

Real-Technician831

Point is that when done right, without any mining or other forced work, blockchains aren’t in fact that inefficient. So totally suitable for SWIFT use cases. But they basically have nothing to do with crypto.

ArcanuMELO

SWIFT!

echointernational8

Clarity act. Then stablecoin supply will reach 50x over the next 5-7 years. Blockchain adoption - SWIFT, PayPal, stablecoin banking etc.

admin_default

As with any technology wave, there will be few winners that take all… leaving many, many losers in their wake. Bitcoin is here to stay. And after the SWIFT and Blackrock adoption, Ethereum is now here to stay. Everything else is left fighting for scraps.

Puzzled-Rip641

Do you know what the SWIFT system is?

Puzzled-Rip641

You know China used the same SWIFT system the US controls right?

JustStopppingBye

Wow you’re actually delusional lol LINEA IS AN PERMISSIONLESS L2 NETWORK. SWIFT BUILT THEIR OWN L1 PERMISSIONED NETWORK. Since we do we trust “cointelegraph” lmao https://www.swift.com/news-events/news/swifts-blockchain-based-shared-ledger-progresses-mvp-implementation \>Swift will operate the ledger, providing orchestration of transaction workflows, validation of funding commitments and coordination of interbank processes. How can Swift operate an L2 network controlled by linea? The CIO also said it doesn’t use a token so how can it be linea? “Time will tell” this statement worked last year but now we know it’s not an L2 network. Seek help

supercashme

I actually think that's the goal. Most people don't know or care whether a payment goes through ACH, Visa, or SWIFT they just care that it works. If stablecoins become truly mainstream, they'll probably fade into the background the same way. People won't say, "I'm paying with USDC." They'll just scan a QR code or tap a button and expect the transaction to be instant and inexpensive. The technology succeeds when users don't have to think about the technology.

magic-karma

Shares is typically used to indicate equity or ownership. XRP is token. It’s more like a license than equity. Shares would be in Ripple, the issuer of XRP who run the XRPL (ledger). Ripple mints an outstanding amount of token every month. It is not a decentralized platform design. It was hyped to be a replacement for SWIFT. SWIFT has recently announced their own blockchain (it is not using XRP) and the banks signed on to use SWIFTs blockchain are much more impressive than what Ripple has put together. Use your impressions over my own.

Cheap_Consequence_26

**SWIFT** (the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication) is not owned by a single person, company, or government. Instead, it is a global, member-owned cooperative. 1. Ownership: A Banking Cooperative SWIFT is legally registered as a cooperative society under Belgian law, headquartered in La Hulpe, Belgium. The Shareholders: It is owned and controlled by the more than 11,500 banks, security houses, fintechs, and corporate businesses across over 200 countries that use its network. Voting Power: Shareholder stakes and voting rights are reallocated every three years based on the volume of financial messages each institution sends over the network. The most active users get the largest say, though rules are in place to ensure geographic diversity. Operation and Governance While it serves the global financial industry, it operates strictly as a neutral messaging utility (it transmits financial instructions but does not actually hold, manage, or clear funds). The Board of Directors: SWIFT is governed by a 25-member Board of Director. These directors are senior executives from major international commercial banks (such as JPMorgan Chase, Citi, HSBC, and BNP Paribas) who are elected by the shareholders to set strategy and oversee management. Executive Management: Day-to-day operations are handled by a full-time executive committee led by a Chief Executive Officer (CEO). Oversight: The Central Banks Because SWIFT is critical to the stability of the global financial system, it operates under intense regulatory scrutiny rather than absolute independence. Lead Overseer: The National Bank of Belgium acts as the primary overseer because SWIFT is physically headquartered there. The G-10 Framework: It is jointly monitored by the central banks of the Group of Ten (G-10) nations—including the US Federal Reserve, the Bank of England, the European Central Bank, and the Bank of Japan. Global Forum: Major developing economies (like the central banks of Australia, China, and India) also participate in information sharing through the Swift Oversight Forum to ensure the network remains secure and resilient.

GabeDef

This is bearish for the entire crypto space. No reason for anything if SWIFT has its own chain. 

Vancecookcobain

Yea nobody controls it. Did that ruffle some feathers? Please point out a centralized entity that controls Bitcoin? 😂 If you shut down the internet the SWIFT payment system is cooked 😂 You can copy the source code of Bitcoin but nobody is using your stupid ass block chain. They are using the Bitcoin block chain 😂 If you have Bitcoin in your wallet nobody can take it from you. 😂 Controlling 51% of the network in 2026 requires nearly a trillion dollar budget and the man power to set it up....that's an expensive way to break Bitcoin 😂 Holding it in cold storage is a bit different than holding say money in your wallet...do you know why???? You can make multiple copies so you have redundancies in case one does go bad....can't do that with cash or even a debit card....they only let you have one at a time or whatever cash you have 😂 The top 100 richest Americans own around the same level of Americas wealth and the dollar is totally centralized....you are also obfuscating WEALTH CONCENTRATION WITH DISTRIBUTED DECENTRALIZED NETWORKS 😂 Every argument you presented had the dollar in a worse scenario and made Bitcoin a more attractive store of wealth. If that was the most indepth critical analysis you have of Bitcoin vs the dollar you are probably too dumb to even understand how bad your arguments are.... Try not to be so arrogantly ignorant 😂

8enWade

Appears to be a brand new chain that is EVM compaitible, not a Layer 2. [SWIFT Blockchain Announcement](https://www.swift.com/news-events/news/swifts-blockchain-based-shared-ledger-progresses-mvp-implementation)

Upset-Bluebird-8411

SWIFT doing a POC with chainlink too not just ripple, people always forget that part. xrp army gonna be mad but the whole thing is just banks testing waters, not some final decision

wgcole01

SWIFT news: RIP XRP or XRP POC?

Doug_the_Hutt

**SWIFT using blockchain doesn’t fix the real problem: blockchains can only tell you what the network** ***agreed*** **happened — not what actually happened.** **Consensus = agreement, not truth.** **If the system can’t prove an asset is real, unique, and not duplicated, you still need reconciliation, settlement, audits, and fraud checks.** **We’ve been patching the same flaws in money for thousands of years — blockchain is just the newest patch, not a fix.** **It makes the same old problems more expensive.**

Agreeable-Weight-425

What's the actual plan here? Cut up your bank card? Stop using SWIFT? Banks are just a tool. So is crypto. Using both for what they're actually good at seems more productive than declaring war on one of them.

Eazy_Fort

Look up SWIFT and DTCC exprimentation for collateral/tokenization. Its already happening.

AdVisible298

Most of the world uses SWIFT. And outside the US are a lot of countries where the argument for BTC is even stronger.

anon-187101

Bitcoin is akin to SWIFT, *not* Visa. That's what the Lightning Network is for. I guarantee I know far more than you about all of this.

JeremyLinForever

SWIFT banking system says hi!

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quantum_simpleton

EFT / SWIFT, and other softwares exist which are exponentially more efficient than bitcoin could ever be due to scaling limitations. You fail to understand basic finance. You could even go as far as to use some crap "USD Stable coin" to do exactly what bitcoin does without any of the risk. Bitcoin is not and will never be a currency.

givenofaux

Bitcoin and litecoin both don’t do anything aside for operate a peer to peer payment networks. Their utility is the same as SWIFT. They move money around. We got ordinals with Bitcoin and it has the potential to be more of a platform. Bitcoin and litecoin share a code base. Litecoin has often been used as testnet for Bitcoin Ethereum and others like it are proper platforms for building on. They are really exciting tbh. Web3 is here

Real-Technician831

Is US SWIFT that ancient? Seriously? In Europe transfers between normal peoples accounts are pretty much instant, as in you have to wait at most couple minutes for amounts to show. Banks moved to this system some years ago to fight against Paypal and European alternatives such as Mobilepay.

proxyfate

Fun fact, SWIFT is not Instant. I get that you want to pick fights with people over crypto, but at least know your facts and stop embellishing your answers to attempt to favor your argument. SWIFT transactions move through a chain stopping at multiple destinations during the transaction. Each stop is held up until processed and passed forward until reaching the final destination. SWIFT transactions have cut-off times, make a request after cut-off time and your transaction is held until the next business day. Even a transaction already in route can be hung up due to cut-off times of banking hours. SWIFT transactions don't move on weekends or holidays. There is nothing instant about this process.

Hot_Sacks

What’s the case for buying XRP vs BTC? Higher risk/reward? I understand the long-term thesis for BTC, and though volatile, the long term trend is pretty clear and seems to be holding up. There are also multiple paths to wider adoption. XRP seems like it’s totally path dependent based on institutional/ SWIFT adoption. Sure, the gains will be higher than BTC if that hits, but it seems like a narrow-ish success criteria. Is that close to an accurate depiction of the case for XRP, or am I missing something?

Real-Technician831

Dude, seriously. Despite brainrot that is pushed here, banking people are not amateurs, they have already switched to quantum resistant algorithms. Fun fact, SWIFT is instant, the reason banks so transactions slowly is because they can use the money in transit for making profit.

Jenn2895

Bro, the two guys running Chainlink out of a Russian nail salon didn't code the backend plumbing for SWIFT, Citi, the DTCC, etc just for you to call it 'not needed' in 2026. I think I’ll be alright. 😆 But thank you for your concern.

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Electronic_Quote399

​The most glaring issue with XRP is its tokenomics. Unlike bitcoin, which is minted by a decentralized network of global miners, Ripple created 100 billion XRP out of thin air at inception. Ripple kept a massive chunk of the supply for themselves and locked 55 billion XRP into cryptographic escrows. Every month, the escrow automatically unlocks 1 billion XRP. Ripple sells a portion of these unlocked tokens to institutional buyers or on the open market to fund their own operations, executive bonuses, and expansions. Whatever they don’t sell gets rolled over into a new escrow at the back of the line. ​Imagine investing in a stock where the CEO holds a massive vault of shares and dumps hundreds of millions of dollars worth of new supply onto the market every 30 days. It creates an artificial, permanent ceiling on price appreciation and aggressively dilutes retail investors who are HODLing while the corporation uses them as exit liquidity. ​ ​Ripple changes its story based on whichever way the wind is blowing. They constantly try to separate themselves from the token when it’s convenient, yet use it for everything. When the SEC sued them for selling unregistered securities, Ripple’s legal team aggressively argued that XRP is completely independent of Ripple Labs and is just a decentralized open source asset. Yet, their entire corporate branding, their software packages, and their marketing materials completely conflate the two. They pitch banks on Ripple's corporate ledger software, but retail investors are led to believe that bank adoption means the price of the retail token will explode. In reality, banks don't need to hold volatile retail XRP to utilize Ripple's private ledger software. ​ ​The social media ecosystem surrounding XRP is horribly unnatural. Independent investigations over the years have noted that the XRP army behaves less like a community and more like a coordinated marketing campaign. ​There are heavy allegations and strong evidence of massive bot networks on X and YouTube designed to suppress any criticism, trend artificial hashtags, and pump hyper bullish sentiment. Paid influencers and predatory YouTube channels run livestreams with clickbait titles featuring fake news about SWIFT completely replacing its network with XRP. It preys on retail investors who don't understand how institutional banking actually works. ​​True crypto projects focus on building open source tech, Ripple acts like a Wall Street cartel. During major election cycles, Ripple and its executives Brad Garlinghouse and Chris Larsen poured massive sums into PACs. They didn't donate out of ideological belief in financial freedom. They split their donations aggressively down the middle, backing both pro crypto Republicans and pro crypto Democrats. ​Chris Larsen funneled millions into super PACs supporting Democratic candidates, while other facets of their lobbying machine cozy up to the right, buying political favor from whichever takes power to ensure their corporate survival. ​ ​The price targets pushed by XRP moon boys are mathematically illiterate. You'll often see influencers claim XRP will hit $100, $500, or even $1000 "when the banks take over." With a circulating supply of 55 to 60 billion tokens, and 100 billion total max supply, you just have to use basic multiplication, price x supply = market cap. ​If XRP hits $100, its market cap would be $5.5 trillion to $10 trillion. Larger than the entire GDP of most major world superpowers. ​If XRP hits $1000, its market cap would be $55 trillion to $100 trillion. The entire amount of physical and digital money in circulation globally is roughly $100 trillion. ​To believe in $1000 XRP, you have to believe that a single, corporate controlled settlement token will capture 100% of all the money on planet Earth. It's impossible. ​When Ripple came out over a decade ago, the idea of fast, cheap cross border payments was revolutionary compared to Bitcoin’s block times. But today the tech is ancient. ​High speed, cheap L1 networks like Solana can process tens of thousands of transactions per second for fractions of a penny. Ethereum L2 networks, stablecoins, and native bank infrastructure have completely filled the cross border settlement gap. Banks would much rather settle using a stablecoin pegged to predictable fiat than a volatile altcoin like XRP. My suggestion would be to start with some Solana, Ethereum, and some bitcoin. Don't go all in until you have done your own research and become more comfortable with the market. Don't follow influencers, they all have their own agenda. Even if someone sounds like they know what they're talking about.. trust but verify. Look into what i said, what others say, and form your own opinion. Most of all, dont use anything you'll need for living expenses, you dont want to get stuck behind the 8 ball and be forced to sell at a loss, only for the asset to 3x the following month. Good luck!

UnspeakableHorror

For freelancers they have been one of the best ways for international transfers paying only a few cents at most vs hundreds of dollars using SWIFT. Fees have gone down over time as other alternatives appeared, but stablecoins are still the cheapest solution by far. If you don't need international transfers then, yeah... they are not very useful.

chubs66

Chainlink is paying at least 70% of defi, maybe more. But they're also the bridge between tradfi and blockchains. Both DTCC and SWIFT are slated to go live in 2026, which will both be done doing billions of dollars of transactions per day.

Patient_Craft2195

For me it was settlement times. Sent money abroad once through a bank, took 4 days and ₹1,800 in fees. Then I moved USDC in 30 seconds for a few cents. Never looked at SWIFT the same way again

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314_999

https://blocknow.com/swift-crypto-50-banks-jpmorgan-citi-cross-border-payments/ "30 of the 50 banks already use Ripple’s network, meaning XRP is quietly wired into SWIFT’s new infrastructure, whether SWIFT mentions it or not."

314_999

https://blocknow.com/swift-crypto-50-banks-jpmorgan-citi-cross-border-payments/ "30 of the 50 banks already use Ripple’s network, meaning XRP is quietly wired into SWIFT’s new infrastructure, whether SWIFT mentions it or not."

richlobstermeow

If that were true, why hasn’t every bank just built its own SWIFT, Visa, Mastercard, or stock exchange? Networks derive value from liquidity, counterparties, and interoperability. Anyone can fork XRP Ledger. They can’t instantly recreate the liquidity, market makers, integrations, exchanges, and ecosystem around it.

richlobstermeow

I think comparing XRP’s market cap directly to global GDP is where the argument starts to break down. GDP measures economic output. Financial assets routinely exceed GDP. Global real estate, bonds, equities, derivatives, and other stores of value are many times larger than annual GDP. I also think the velocity argument cuts both ways. If XRP is only being used as a bridge asset for a few seconds, then yes, a lower valuation can support large volumes. But if institutions, market makers, custodians, tokenized asset platforms, and liquidity providers start holding XRP inventories to reduce slippage and guarantee liquidity, velocity drops and the required value of the network rises. The other thing that gets overlooked is that Ripple today is targeting much more than payments. They’re moving into custody, tokenization, stablecoins, real world assets, capital markets infrastructure, and institutional settlement. The opportunity they’re pursuing is much larger than simply replacing SWIFT messages. I’m not saying that means $1,000 XRP is guaranteed. I just don’t think the “market cap exceeds GDP, therefore impossible” argument is enough on its own. The real question is how much XRP institutions would actually need to hold if XRPL became a major liquidity and settlement layer.

RecoveringXRPHodler

Lives off lies. Like the one that SWIFT was going to use it.

Suspicious-Can-7079

Xrp crazy price targets come from cult like propaganda that pretends it's going to be the world currency. They're using the Ethiopian calendar for their predictions because their date has already passed.. That's all you really need to know. Incoming AI slop on 1k xrp "Pure math first, then the narrative requirements. The math XRP has \~62B circulating supply and a max supply of 100B.  At $1,000/XRP: • Circulating market cap: \~$62 trillion • Fully diluted: \~$100 trillion For context, total global GDP is \~$110T. The entire US stock market is \~$50T. Bitcoin’s ATH market cap was around $2T. XRP at $1,000 would be the largest single asset in human history by a massive margin. What would actually need to happen 1. XRP becomes the dominant global payment rail. SWIFT processes \~$5T/day in cross-border flows. For XRP to justify that valuation, it would essentially need to capture a significant share of all global financial settlement — not just cross-border payments, but FX, trade finance, sovereign reserves. Even then, the question is whether XRP needs to be held to move value, or just used as a bridge (the velocity problem — high velocity = low holding requirement = lower price). 2. Massive supply reduction or burn mechanism. Unlike ETH (with EIP-1559) or BTC (21M hard cap), XRP was fixed at 100B at launch with no burn mechanism built in.  Without destroying supply, the per-token price ceiling is structurally lower than scarcer assets. 3. Ripple stops selling. Ripple controls \~42% of XRP through escrow reserves  and releases tokens on a schedule. That’s a persistent supply overhang. At $1,000, Ripple’s escrow would be worth \~$38 trillion — they’d be the richest entity ever created with enormous incentive to sell. 4. Regulatory and geopolitical tailwinds at a civilizational scale. XRP ETFs launched, SEC clarity arrived — that’s a catalyst for a $3–10 price, not $1,000. The jump from here to $1,000 is \~850x. Even the most bullish XRP scenario (replaces SWIFT, global adoption) struggles to justify more than low-to-mid three figures. Bottom line: $1,000 XRP requires a market cap that exceeds global GDP. It’s not a price target — it’s a thought experiment about whether a single crypto asset could become the reserve settlement layer of the entire world economy, with Ripple somehow not being a seller at those levels. Theoretically possible in a science fiction framing, practically implausible within any investable timeframe. If you’re bullish XRP, the realistic high-conviction range to debate is $10–50 (solid adoption, ETF flows, ODL scaling) vs. $100–200 (dominates global FX settlement, becomes quasi-reserve asset). $1,000 requires premises that would restructure the global financial system entirely."

JustStopppingBye

>They all claim SWIFT.  One doesnt claim anything, Swift does it for them. [https://www.swift.com/news-events/press-releases/swift-unlocks-potential-tokenisation-successful-blockchain-experiments](https://www.swift.com/news-events/press-releases/swift-unlocks-potential-tokenisation-successful-blockchain-experiments) [https://www.swift.com/news-events/press-releases/swift-ubs-asset-management-and-chainlink-successfully-complete-innovative-pilot-bridge-tokenized-assets-existing-payment-systems](https://www.swift.com/news-events/press-releases/swift-ubs-asset-management-and-chainlink-successfully-complete-innovative-pilot-bridge-tokenized-assets-existing-payment-systems) [https://youtu.be/AAfmgbmoAgs?si=e3HOSVPBiqckY5Rj](https://youtu.be/AAfmgbmoAgs?si=e3HOSVPBiqckY5Rj) [https://youtu.be/o6frxYOk4fA?si=rs5-7vv-0FNyRNyV&t=650](https://youtu.be/o6frxYOk4fA?si=rs5-7vv-0FNyRNyV&t=650)

AdFast1121

The only way is round robin the top 50, research the ecosystem, tokenomics, technical specs, market depth, partnerships, things that you know... matter. Select your alpha.  But remember, a tradfi partnership or enterprise partnership doesn't exist unless the non crypto party has made an announcement. No, that chain is most likely not partnered with SWIFT. They all claim SWIFT. 

No-Problem49

“To avoid sanctions” You do realize that part of avoiding sanctions means getting goods from sanctioned countries right? In the real world: people sent money to places to receive something in return. Company a buys lumber from company b. That’s currency. Of what use is a currency that I can send to Iran around the SWIFT system if all countries outside of SWIFT I can’t receive value for what I’ve sent because the sanctioned countries themselves plus the us navy prevents me from getting the goods.

Ordinary_Inspector61

Just because people use something now doesn't mean they always will. Monetary regimes change all the time in history even though they still last pretty long. Before the current regime we had the bretton woods system from post war until early 70s, before that a different system. Use of SWIFT is use of the dollar, the actual company of SWIFT has no real actual power over the network, that belongs to the US treasury and federal reserve. the dollar became the world reserve currency for a large combination of historical forces, the central one being the US was the most powerful country in the world with a dominant economy after everyone elses was destroyed by two world wars, but that does not mean it's still the optimal choice today. The US's power is eroding as central banks accumulate gold and dump treasuries. This was accelerated after the US abused its control over the network when it froze russias assets, proving to the rest of the world and especially non aligned countries that their US assets are not actually safe like they thought they were, decreasing the value proposition of the network. This abuse is inevitable when you have centralized power. Having one international reserve currency is extremely useful and makes everything easier cheaper and efficient, there's a reason the dollars dominance is so strong. At the end of the day I believe fundamentals will shine through one way or another, though it may take a long time.

Zestyclose-Power-132

Nearly all countries use SWIFT which is based in Switzerland. Not every country has to use same thing or 1 thing at all also, there are bridges. I am sorry but this is not something BTC can solve as it requires proper lobbying, bribing, engaging. BTC mainly supposed to be about storing value over inflation lately.

No-Problem49

Bitcoin is solely reliant on a stable world hegemony to succeed at being a free trade currency able to make transactions happen worldwide without any interference from some regional actor. Whether hegemon in China Russia or the USA doesn’t matter. But for sure the worst thing for bitcoin is for there to be conflict between these 3 powers for hegemony which is the stage we are at now that bitcoin promoters seemed to be looking forward to. If USA blocks the straight of Hormuz and I want to buy something from Iran using bitcoin and ship it by water it doesn’t matter that the USA can’t stop my transaction on SWIFT because they can literally just bomb whatever I buy. Bitcoins adoption case by society is actually dependent on a strong usd, a strong usa military and the willingness of the USA president to facilitate free trade using the USA navy. If company a in USA can’t legally bitcoin to buy goods from Russia then what good is the ability to avoid swift using bitcoin?

314_999

"*30 of the 50* banks already use Ripple’s network, meaning XRP is quietly wired into SWIFT’s new infrastructure, whether SWIFT mentions it or not."

JustStopppingBye

"meaning XRP is quietly wired into SWIFT’s new infrastructure" lmaoooooooo. Completely false.

Saylor_Moonboi

The power to run a laptop is trivial, compared to the energy currently being used to do the same result, using ASICS, Millions of laptops are in use every day, and could also devote a few cycles to Bitcoin, without even being noticed in the overall energy usage stats. But if you want to nit pick, SOME power is indeed needed to support the network, if it is running, but it could safely be 95 % less than is currently used to do it, with no noticeable effect on network performance. There is no reason for the price to drop in a mechanistic way, just because energy use went down. Price is determined by the market for bitcoin, which is probably more driven by emotion, than anything else at this point. There are things that can be done, if there is a credible threat to the network. You can wait more cycles to confirm transactions, as the cost to attack for 10 cycles is exponentially more than attacking for 3 cycles. You could also, (shock), actually know your customer, not in a legal compliance way, but so you could demand payment, if the transaction was reversed. Just because some code was manipulated does NOT actually not obligate your partner to just keep the money. Transactions get reversed all the time in the SWIFT system, and people still have to pay for the things they buy. Yes, its cute not to have to trust anyone on the network, but in the non-criminal world, you have legal contracts for purchases, and they are enforceable...

Saibazz

This is actually a huge Bitcoin story if it becomes real at scale. Iran is reportedly building a system called “Hormuz Safe” where ships can pay insurance and shipping-related fees using Bitcoin instead of traditional banking systems like SWIFT.

kingcakeaholic

I am my own bank and SWIFT.

After-Basket3058

Every time a major nation successfully routes around SWIFT using crypto, the argument for Bitcoin as just a speculative asset gets a little harder to make. This is not a headline about cryptocurrency anymore, this is a headline about the future architecture of global trade.

Old_Suggestions

The us would charge tolls in usd. No way they'll do anything to undermine the 'almighty dollar' . Iran is telling usd and SWIFT to go fuck themselves. China may turn to bitcoin if us debt gets much more out of hand, but that's beyond my confidence level to opine on.

Alfador8

Bitcoin is money for enemies. One of its strongest use cases is as money between parties that don't trust each other. This has increased importance since the Biden admin froze Russian assets on the SWIFT system in retaliation for starring the war in Ukraine. The message there was clear: if you piss us off, we take your money away. This move from Iran is them insulating themselves from that same risk by embracing a trustless monetary system. They won't be the last.

Romanizer

Yes, to some extent you could call stablecoins and the blockchain rails (central) banks currently are building a CBDC. Bank accounts and payments become easier programmable and more transparent for a central entity. Central banks and government will have the ability to censor and block any payment or deposit. I think SWIFT is also currently implementing a blockchain going live this year for international payments. I wonder when people will understand that Bitcoin is the only way left to store and transact value freely without censorship or having your assets seized or frozen. This will also go for real world assets once they are tokenized.

Outside_Scheme_377

Everyone is watching the $2B expiration, but nobody is watching the offramp settlement delays. I’m seeing Tier-1 VASP (Virtual Asset Service Provider) corridors through Dubai and Singapore hitting massive latency on T+0 swaps. If you’re trying to move 8 figures into fiat right now without triggering a mid-tier banking block, the standard SWIFT/SEPA rails are essentially a trap. The real liquidity is currently being moved via private ledger offsets—if you're still waiting on a standard exchange withdrawal today, you've already lost the window.

Extension-Dentist-42

Just XRP / Ripple. It's taking over SWIFT and BRICS. Trump endorses it

Then_Helicopter4243

The irony is hard to miss, the same voices that once dismissed Bitcoin and tokenization are now on stage championing them. Wall Street giants holding more BTC than sovereign funds and SWIFT executives pushing tokenization show how quickly the narrative flipped.

biba8163

> Believes the Earth is flat, and thinks XRP is going to $100 People who believe this should read the posts and comments from ~9 years ago when all the XRP shilling scammed people into believing XRP was going to $10 in 2018 because bank would be using XRP freeing up trillions in nostro/vostro accounts 🤡 > There actually is a **moral argument for XRP** *(December 2017, XRP $2.30)* > It's to do with freeing up **$27 trillion locked up in nostro accounts.** > **$10 xrp is quantifiable based on tangible assumptions** without speculation given the 5 tr dollars of x-border settlements, the 27 tr dollars locked up in nostro accounts alone. It also enables 95% of the 11000 banks on the SWIFT network to transfer peer to peer instead of proxying cross border through the mega-banks. > XRP can do a lot of good...! Fiat is debt based... mainly issued to governments and we all pay the interest. We are paying bong debt via put taxes for $27 trillion which is locked up... without getting benefit... xrp can release some of that... and that's a good thing... surely https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/20171231/ https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7mzcld/reminder_ripple_xrp_is_centralized_and_they_can/dry2rn8/ > so much Ripple FUD. so many are mad cause they called ripple centralized yet ripple keeps signing on banks after banks. **Ripple will hit $10 2018 and we will still hear "but XRP is useless" "ripple is a bank coin".** *(December 2017, XRP $2.30)* https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7mxbiq/warning_you_dont_own_anything_of_actual_value/drxlwr2/

erikwithaknotac

Bitcoin is based on being able to move billions of dollars outside the US SWIFT system. Iran showed us how that could be useful in a world where US influence drops daily.

liquid_at

then please educate the dumb people on how you move XRP onto a fiat bank account via the SWIFT system, evading all KYC. Because if you figured that out, you're smarter than me and there are a few million criminals on earth who would really like to give you millions if not more for that knowledge. You could be rich if you figure that out. No speculation needed.

KrombopulosThe2nd

Currently there are (at least) two major (centralized) financial systems - potentially more depending on how deep and complicated you want to get... But 1. SWIFT - This is essentially the "Dollar" based system, operated by a group of the primary banks across most countries (e.g. JP Morgan, Bank of China, Deutsche Bank), overseen by the Central Banks (e.g. Rothchilds, Epstein Class) - controlled most heavily by the current Hegemon (United States) 2. CIPS - Chinese RMB based system built as an alternative to SWIFT Decentralized finance (e.g. Crypto currency) was meant to be a seperate option from the above and not rely on either of those payment systems or any major bank for transactions. That is increasingly not the case but still remains the ideal that it was designed for in the beginning.

CaptainTrader32

Hey mate! Thanks for your input. But hear me out: The global cross-border payments market is dominated by entrenched players like SWIFT, large correspondent banking networks, and increasingly fintech rails (Visa, Mastercard, regional instant payment systems). For Ripple to reach anything close to 70%, it would need near-universal bank adoption, regulatory alignment across dozens of jurisdictions, displacement of legacy systems that already process trillions daily No current data or adoption trend suggests that level of dominance is even remotely underway. Also, if RLUSD (and other stablecoins) are already handling flows, then: * Why introduce XRP volatility into the system? * Why would institutions switch from stable, fiat-backed rails to a volatile bridge asset? The industry trend right now is the opposite: * Move **toward stablecoins**, not away from them * Even Ripple itself is leaning into that direction

DPNX1000

This is genuinely significant. Iran using BTC for Hormuz transit isn't just a payment story — it's a signal that sanctioned states are actively building parallel financial rails outside SWIFT. The interesting question is whether this creates long-term demand pressure for BTC or just short-term narrative fuel. If more trade corridors start denominating settlement in crypto, the use case becomes structural rather than speculative. Either way, this is exactly the kind of real-world adoption that Bitcoin maximalists have been waiting for.

zenethics

>Just because the Swift system which is basically just agreed upon secure banking email has widespread adoption does not mean Bitcoin will have widespread adoption. Swift is not actually sending money if you know what it actually is under the hood. I don't think you understand the difference between unit of account and payment system. > Get out of your bubble for gods sake. You can't get most people to program the clock on their microwave. You think they're going to willingly shift to a lesser capable system (that actually saves you no money with fees) with wallets and key phrases, and technical jargon and all the rampant fraud everyone's constantly reading about with no recourse? The dollar is a unit of account. No dollars are "sent" anywhere when you buy something for $1. Likewise, I think in the future Bitcoin will be a unit of account. No on-chain transaction will take place when you buy something for a few sats. People will be as-removed from the idea that there is some "blockchain" down there buried in the layers somewhere as they are removed from the idea that there is some "SWIFT" system buried somewhere. Very few people will be remembering seed phrases or whatever. The blockchain will just be final settlement (between businesses and nations for 100+ Bitcoin transactions) and proof of reserves and to keep the monetary policy rigid. > For those of you that are still hopeful people are supposed to be their own bank you guys should wake up and see you are still living a pipe dream and it's crazy 15 years later. Glad I always knew it was speculation and made my money and got out, now it's just entertaining to watch how long it goes on. At this point it's hilarious to me you expect widespread adoption. And now a few whales control most of the Bitcoin anyway. Comically and undeniably hilarious. Ok, so don't buy any? Nobody here cares... There's websites dedicated to people calling the death of Bitcoin. Bitcoin has "died" like 10,000 times but each time the funeral gets more expensive to attend.

zenethics

It depends on what you mean by that. Does the SWIFT system have widespread adoption? I think it will be like that - almost nobody will own any Bitcoin on chain, but prices will be in Satoshis (maybe 20-30 years from now).