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Mini Myro | Live on PancakeSwap | Trending rank 1 on Dextools & Ave | Don't Miss it

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This Is Not Financial Advise | $TINFA token named after the highly anticipated documentary launched 24hrs ago and is already trending.

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ChuckNorrisAtomicFist | AI memecoin revolution unleashed

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4.4M in LINK Stolen, Numerous ENS Wallets Connected

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Mark Your Calendars For The Most Trending Cryptoo Project Launch BOTiFi.Ai. Top CEX listing in 6 days. Tier-1 Listing Soon #Check this out for your Next 100x Ride

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$OwU Only Way Up!

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CZKing | The real meme king has arrived | Ownership renounced | Audited & KYced | Presale will live at 14:00 Utc | Get ready

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CZKing | The real meme king has arrived | Ownership renounced | Audited | Same BNBKing Team

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CZKing | The real meme king has arrived | Ownership renounced | Audited | Same BNBKing Team

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100x ( $100x ) | The moonshot you were waiting for | 2% Tax | LP burned | Ca renounced | Aiming for 1000x

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You're an $ADDICT | No need to deny, just join us and find 100millionx projects every single day | 2% tax buy and sell | Lp burn and contract renounce | Only for chads and junkies | Big meme sensation

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Meme Coin Allocations

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Join $EARLY | It's time for all of us to get in EARLY | LP burn & Renounce | 2% Tax | Based crew

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Explanation of the red pocket mission

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DefiPoolShare is going live on the launchpad tonight, and here's why you should be excited:

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$Kitty | On BaseChain | Huge Marketing | CA Renounced | LP Locked | Based Dev with good previous

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$Kitty | On BaseChain | LP Locked | CA Renounced | Based Dev with good previous | Huge Marketing

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$Kitty | On BaseChain | LP Locked | CA Renounced | Based Dev with good previous | Huge Marketing

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Help with migrating moons from Gnosis to Arbitrum Nova

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$GTFO is probably the most interesting token I've seen this year

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$GTFO is probably the most interesting token I've seen this year

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You Get Nothing! You Lose! Good Day, Sir!

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Binance to Integrate Bitcoin Lightning Network

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Starship exploded to become the biggest meme that has ever existed. This is just the beginning. Elon's Starship fleet is destined to make life multi-planetary. Sending all who buy now and HODL to the moon and Mars at insane speed. Buckle up.

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Starship Token is the crypto narrative of a generation - Influencers about to call Starship to full send to Mars include - Elon, NBC News, Fox News, CNN, CBS, ABC, Joe Rogan, The Entire Internet, Aliens and Your Mom. Time is short. Ape The Rocket Before Launch!!!

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Starship is about to break the internet. Full face melt via raptor engine ignition imminent.

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Starship (Elon's Rocket)

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Any "mid-range" powered sha-256 asic miner?

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Starship (Elon's Rocket)

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Major vulnerability in Sushiswap RouterProcessor2 Contract. Please revoke allowances ASAP.

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Starship (Elon's Rocket)

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STARSHIP (Elon's Rocket)

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Italian CEX "The Rock Trading" has a financial hole of 15/20 million euros

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I just realized i lost about 900$

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Year of the Moon: A Degens Quest

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Year of the Moon: A Degens Quest ( this will most likely be the title, could change at any point)

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This is what Address poisoning looks like

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SANTA I N U - Christmas 2.0 - Novel concept for storing gifts as Smart Contract - Shop and NFT replace classic gifts! Fair Launch! Marketing starts!

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Solo lottery miner options

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main FTX ETH wallet went from over $100 Million worth yesterday to $13.7 Million today

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The FTX ETH wallet is depleting fast (0x2FAF487A4414Fe77e2327F0bf4AE2a264a776AD2)

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What's everyone's go to?Looking for examples of platforms too use as a hedge.

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Are there Bitcoin ATMs in your country?

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Valoria - The Decentralized Metaverse | Create & Explore 3D Worlds | Buy the Valor ($VR) Token

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Bot Detector Bot ($BDB) | Scanner Bot Live With Great Utility | Experienced Team | Hyped Community |

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Oogie boogie, just launched, 12k MCAP, Marketing starts now, 100X incoming

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Oogie boogie, just launched, 8k MCAP, Marketing starts now, 100X incoming

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Eth Transaction failed? Money not arrived in wallet. Please help

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ETH Transaction faile? Money not arrived in wallet. Please help

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Oogie boogie, just launched, 1.8k MCAP, Marketing starts now, 100X incoming

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Bikeo Finance | The Next-gen Web 3 Fitness and Lifestyle app with Game-Fi elements | AMA before the launch | Launch on Today, 16:30 utc

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Bikeo Finance | The Next-gen Web 3 Fitness and Lifestyle app with Game-Fi elements | Launch on Tomorrow, 16:30 utc

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Basenji Inu, Marketing Incoming, Just Launched, 100X Incoming, Check us out, Low taxes 5%, ATH incoming

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Iran Places First Crypto-Funded Import Order, Worth $10M: Report

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USDTATE launched 2K$ Marketcap now | USDT rewards by simply holding | Passive Income for life time, Based Dev big marketing incoming!

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$BCT - Next Generation DAO token just launched!

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$BCT - Next Generation DAO token just launched!

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The hacker who stole $3.5m from the NIRVANA protocol is close to being identified

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The coming Dump, and the Coming Pump

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Saudi Shiba Inu –Presale and launch today, 21st July 4PM UTC | Coinmarketcap prelisting already done, launch will be fully tracked | Marketing started from day 1 | Legendary Dextools golden button ads start tomorrow, July 22nd

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DoberInu just stealth launched | Liquidity locked for 3 months | Telegram AMA at 100 members

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Panda Elon launched and did a 5x, with many Chinese eyeing us

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Panda Elon just launched and did a 5x and millions of Chinese people are ready to buy it:

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Panda Elon just launched and did a 10x and millions of Chinese people are ready to buy it:

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Panda Elon just launched and did a 10x and millions of Chinese people are ready to buy it:

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Defi Skeptic – Just launched! | Project's mission is to increase transparency | Developed ecosystem with multi use case | Huge partnerships done and planned ahead | Audit already done

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Rewards Inu V2 Has Launched / Get Massive Rewards by Holding / More Marketing On The Way

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Rewards Inu V2 Has Launched / Get Massive Rewards by Holding / More Marketing On The Way

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Niffler Inu launches 15 minutes | Liquidity | KYCed Team | Huge Marketing | %100 SAFE | Tax 6%

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Aggreg Finance | Presale live in one hour | The next era of algorithmic farming and pool rebalancing | kyc and audited |strong community | big marketing compaign

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Aggreg8 Finance is a long term project hodl to get you through the bear market presale on the 15th june | dont miss out on this gem

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| Zoro Inu Two ( ZORO2.0) Just Launched | Current Mcap 2.5k | 3% Buy/Sell Tax | Active Community | Don't Miss This Gem |

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The maneki–neko (招き猫, lit. ‘beckoning cat’) is a common Japanese figurine which is often believed to bring good luck to the owner. We’re building the future home of Maneki Neko and the largest meme coin game in the metaverse.

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Gain.Farm Launching in 1 hour | Eth pegged algorithmic token | Fork of Tomb.finance | Solidity Finance audit | dApp Live | Video AMA before launch

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UST How I lost $1M because of Kucoin's manipulation

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$DinoCatInu! Just Launched! Safe Project! A new BEP20 Token on the Binance Smart Chain launched 30 minutes ago BSC Token

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Exposing students to crypto at a young age will ensure mainstream adoption later on when they’re integrated into the working class

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10 $LUNA a to 6.5million $LUNA .Arbitrage between $LUNA and $UST

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Sheba | Cat Meme Token | $200K market cap | All time high $1.5M | CEX listing plans | Sheba NFT’s previews available soon | Join our telegram | Let's Build Together | Launching in less than 24 hours.

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BTC under $30k, Bear market is here, Holders and Traders need an ergonomic chair

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Sheba | Cat Meme Token | $200K market cap | All time high $1.5M | CEX listing plans | Sheba NFT’s previews available soon | BNB Rewards | Huge Potential .

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Sheba | Cat Meme Token | $200K market cap | All time high $1.5M | CEX listing plans | Sheba NFT’s previews available soon | Verified Contract | Launching few hour ago on BSC.

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Sheba | Cat Meme Token | $200K market cap | All time high $1.5M | CEX listing plans | Sheba NFT’s previews available soon | Utility in place | Launching Now on BSC.

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Ganja Doge |Just Launched On Pancakeswap | An NFT based crypto project | Utility Project With Big Marketing Budget | Experience Team | 100x Gem |

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Midweek Macro Market Moves

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Creed Dao and Cult are fighting against centralization | DAO Dapp developed and live| Audited by Solid Proof | Unicrypt Presale on 28nd April | Empowering Defi projects through a proposal/vote mechanism

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Creed DAO and Cult are fighting against centralization | Dapp developed and live audited by Solid Proof | Presale on 22nd April | Empowering DeFi projects through a proposal and vote mechanism

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Creed Dao and Cult are fighting against centralization | DAO Dapp developed and live| Audited by Solid Proof | Unicrypt Presale on 22nd April | Empowering Defi projects through a proposal/vote mechanism

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The first APY project with Flexible limits paid automatically in USDT...

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SHIBGOTCHI | Stealth Launched Few Hour ago | P Big potenial and Hard working team | Doxxed & Well Connected Devs | NFTs Coming | Utility 10/10 | GAME Coming | Join Now

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SHIBGOTCHI | launching on bsc now - owner renounced - huge marketing!

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SHIBGOTCHI | Just stealth launched | Huge marketing push incoming | Owner renounced | Retro P2E Gamefi token

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$SHiBGOTCHi / The goal is to bring the cult-game Tamagotchi into web3 and the metaverse

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$SHiBGOTCHi is a deflationary & stackable token running on the BSC chain

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Bitshares 7 years ago: 60k ops per second https://github.com/dily3825002/awesome-blockchain/blob/master/%E7%99%BD%E7%9A%AE%E4%B9%A6/bitshares-stresstest.pdf

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I think doing your own dice rolls to find your keys for your new wallet could provide a sense of comfort. Knowing without a shadow of a doubt that no one else could possibly know your seed words is a wonderful feeling. This video shows how two unrelated hardware wallets will generate the same exact seed words if the same dice rolls are recorded on both hardware devices. https://youtu.be/qxOhCvot77I?si=0pJVyf5yt-WGu8AE I would practice a few small transactions both sending and receiving but always keeping your keys offline and air gapped - never ever take a photo of them, never put them in Google drive, etc.

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Bitcoin has no issue with big transaction. For smaller transaction there are many options: centralised -maybe visa mastercard AE will adopt btc, decentralised - lightning, semi decentralised liquid fedimint

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Bitcoin is the UTXO set built by my node. My node checks other nodes to make sure they see the same thing. My private keys allow me to modify that UTXO set and broadcast to others. All of this is local to me. Saying bitcoin is "on the cloud" is subjective as bitcoin is really the sum of all the nodes doing local verification, not "the cloud". > And, a cloud wallet where only you (the owner) has the keys and access to. So you're asking the difference between a hot wallet and a cold wallet? https://youtu.be/Aji_E9sw0AE?si=FS9-_wh1Dg85aAl_ What does the "cloud" have to do with it? Is someone else storing your keys? Remember, "the cloud" is just someone else's computer you're accessing over the internet.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://forum.pol... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

Thank you for your response. I apologize if my initial explanation was not clear enough. Allow me to provide more details about the underlying principles of Bitcoin addresses and the specific issue I am facing. In the Bitcoin system, an address is derived from a public key, which in turn is generated from a private key. The process typically follows these steps: A private key is generated, which is a random 256-bit number. The corresponding public key is derived from the private key using elliptic curve cryptography (specifically, the secp256k1 curve). The public key is then hashed using the SHA-256 and RIPEMD-160 algorithms to create a 160-bit hash. This hash is then encoded using Base58Check encoding, which includes a version byte and a checksum, resulting in the final Bitcoin address. In my case, an issue arose during step 2. When generating the public key, the first character of the first 32 hexadecimal characters of the public key was 0. This led to the first 8 bits of the public key being 0, effectively making it a 248-bit public key instead of the expected 256 bits. Despite this, the incorrect 248-bit public key was used to generate a Bitcoin address following steps 3 and 4. This address ended up receiving some bitcoins. Later, I used the same private key to generate the correct 256-bit public key and derived a different Bitcoin address from it. However, the bitcoins that were sent to the first address (derived from the incorrect 248-bit public key) are not accessible using the private key directly, as the Bitcoin system associates those funds with the incorrect public key and address. To further illustrate this, consider the two examples I provided: Example 1: PrivateKeyHexStr: 1D179D45DF2F02271CD4DAA1114B7226480BBF3DA62D94081CC6228C950F3300 Incorrect Public Key (248 bits): 2C3D118366F853F7A7FCD0E0506A87FD1ED7AD7E19103059A85C0FA8ADED85 Incorrect Address: 13mpPh9UMtSN54GTbjj4ht7S3hzCPhmmVA Example 2: PrivateKeyHexStr: 08C5F27C4B0522975583AE6BAE67B2155F5339BA040693335D4A2C4A0A213726 Incorrect Public Key (248 bits): BEC0F8B027D6333EFBBCC87ABD1C2912AB052DE99F391DB3E3EE1EF50708DD Incorrect Address: 14z6wZb4uGE1iT9osbQGMW75iNS1awCGSe In both cases, the incorrect public keys and addresses were generated due to the leading 0 in the public key, causing them to be 248 bits instead of 256 bits. I hope this clarifies the issue I am facing. I am looking for ways to recover the bitcoins that were sent to the addresses derived from these incorrect public keys, given that I have the corresponding private keys. If you have any further questions or need more information, please let me know. I greatly appreciate your interest and any help you can provide.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://forum.pol... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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That's an approval transaction. You gave 0x46ee2eefdce877532125d989b90ce41cdec5ebd4 permissions to spend up to 10^42 of your FET tokens And a minute later, they sent 138 of your FET tokens to 0x4A42AE14650771026d49d64b3b4A29dc030ecc63 https://etherscan.io/tx/0x588da7f9ff1b5f406da27c7d9961eeb6507f6231e6f0ae51981cb3b7b22d6534 You no longer have any FET tokens under your account.

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Any Inu EVM (ETH, ARB, OP, BASE, BSC, FTM, AVAX, MATIC):   0x2598c30330D5771AE9F983979209486aE26dE875 SOL: ACeWC77UeW2DBZMe7YBsuXoxLvk4dHMnPzneApau1Au6 Blast: 0x764933fbad8f5d04ccd088602096655c2ed9879f (一个月合并到E875统一合约) DogNexus404  ETH:   0x8B42DD505b2b4c0b21F75eb284c7295bC71E580B

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Good question! There are other rigs, like the [HeatBit ](https://heatbit.com/products/heatbit-mini-pro)and [Mars Lander](https://bitcoinmerch.com/products/bitcoin-merch%C2%AE-mars-lander-solo-bitcoin-miner-up-to-250gh-s) that supposedly 'mine' BTC, but I question how effective they are given the formidable computing power required to mine even just one Bitcoin.

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I got a lump sum payment in the middle of the pandemic. I knew it was a once in a lifetime thing. If you're not careful it will disappear. First thing you if you don't want to look back on this and consider it wasted: * How did you get this money? Set aside money for taxes, at least 20% of the payment, 35k * Count up all expenses plus and multiply by 6, store this in a liquid savings account that you can access. This is for emergencies and nothing else. Lets say that's 30k. * Now you have 110k, if you want one whole coin, either DCA your cash over the next few months or just lump sum it. I did a bit of both. * Now you have 60k\~ left, I would advise you to diversify your portfolio by lump summing or dollar cost averaging into a brokerage account using the [Boglehead Method](https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Bogleheads%C2%AE_investing_start-up_kit#Portfolio_construction). I use and like Vanguard. I know folks here may not because of their resistance to BTC. * Once the rest is done, treat yourself to a nice dinner, an experience or a gadget you want, etc. Make sure to enjoy a little bit of it to make the responsibility worth it. The TLDR is to divide your investment portfolio amongst a well diversified class of stocks, bonds and assets. Bitcoin is one way you'll diversify your portfolio. Once you've got your capital split between a few different areas, just keep DCA'ing into these accounts every pay period. I put cash into vanguard and btc on a regular basis.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://forum.pol... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://forum.pol... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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Nano sent [successfully](https://nanolooker.com/block/69C76E07AA9F913887FAC49CFC11756AE5EB3593B7170A9736E06FDA3D6D3B62)! **Learn more about Nano** - Read [this article](https://senatus.substack.com/p/the-basics-of-nano-why-its-such-an) for the basics. - Visit [Nano.community](https://nano.community/introduction/basics) for comprehensive information. **Try a faucet** - [NanoDrop](https://nanodrop.io/) sends some Nano instantly. - [WeNano](https://wenano.net/) has location-based faucets all over the world. **Use Nano** - Queue videos for others to watch or get paid to watch on [CryptoVision](https://cryptovision.live/). - Pay per prompt to access ChatGPT4, DALL·E 3 and more via [Nano-GPT](https://nano-gpt.com/). - Easily develop with Nano using a [Public Node](https://rpc.nano.to) (we're using one right now). **Ask questions** - If you have any further questions, come on over to r/nanocurrency! **Random Nano fact**: Nano's node software is written in C++, but a developer is [currently also porting it to Rust](https://www.rsnano.com/). He does coding livestreams where you can follow along!

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Nano sent [successfully](https://nanolooker.com/block/DE6801EAC84AE4D6DD178386E415334CAC898EA040B57BEBEA4B44D26F1CDDA2)! **Learn more about Nano** - Read [this article](https://senatus.substack.com/p/the-basics-of-nano-why-its-such-an) for the basics. - Visit [Nano.community](https://nano.community/introduction/basics) for comprehensive information. **Try a faucet** - [NanoDrop](https://nanodrop.io/) sends some Nano instantly. - [WeNano](https://wenano.net/) has location-based faucets all over the world. **Use Nano** - Queue videos for others to watch or get paid to watch on [CryptoVision](https://cryptovision.live/). - Pay per prompt to access ChatGPT4, DALL·E 3 and more via [Nano-GPT](https://nano-gpt.com/). - Easily develop with Nano using a [Public Node](https://rpc.nano.to) (we're using one right now). **Ask questions** - If you have any further questions, come on over to r/nanocurrency! **Random Nano fact**: It's recently become possible to add the Nano Ӿ symbol (its currency symbol) into [AI generated images](https://nano.org/en/blog/how-to-add-nano-currency-symbol-ai-image-generations--267803bb)!

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Nano sent [successfully](https://nanolooker.com/block/CB05438F520D16606AE1C1C71C303A2FB465BEEA5F80D641FBF7FE61B64DC314)! **Learn more about Nano** - Read [this article](https://senatus.substack.com/p/the-basics-of-nano-why-its-such-an) for the basics. - Visit [Nano.community](https://nano.community/introduction/basics) for comprehensive information. **Try a faucet** - [NanoDrop](https://nanodrop.io/) sends some Nano instantly. - [WeNano](https://wenano.net/) has location-based faucets all over the world. **Use Nano** - Queue videos for others to watch or get paid to watch on [CryptoVision](https://cryptovision.live/). - Pay per prompt to access ChatGPT4, DALL·E 3 and more via [Nano-GPT](https://nano-gpt.com/). - Easily develop with Nano using a [Public Node](https://rpc.nano.to) (we're using one right now). **Ask questions** - If you have any further questions, come on over to r/nanocurrency! **Random Nano fact**: Nano has been flying with the International Space Station on a WeNano spot. People can collect small amounts of Nano when the ISS overflies their location!

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Nano sent [successfully](https://nanolooker.com/block/4B51BACD2273B229EEED889C045EC12EF1F58AE0505DA0F4AA4DA02026F5B678)! **Learn more about Nano** - Read [this article](https://senatus.substack.com/p/the-basics-of-nano-why-its-such-an) for the basics. - Visit [Nano.community](https://nano.community/introduction/basics) for comprehensive information. **Try a faucet** - [NanoDrop](https://nanodrop.io/) sends some Nano instantly. - [WeNano](https://wenano.net/) has location-based faucets all over the world. **Use Nano** - Queue videos for others to watch or get paid to watch on [CryptoVision](https://cryptovision.live/). - Pay per prompt to access ChatGPT4, DALL·E 3 and more via [Nano-GPT](https://nano-gpt.com/). - Easily develop with Nano using a [Public Node](https://rpc.nano.to) (we're using one right now). **Ask questions** - If you have any further questions, come on over to r/nanocurrency! **Random Nano fact**: Nano has no inbuilt limits. Its throughput is dependent on the hardware and bandwidth of the nodes running the network. If they get stronger, the network's throughput increases.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://forum.pol... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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"The main ideas come from the investing philosophy of Vanguard's founder, John Bogle." [https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Bogleheads%C2%AE\_investment\_philosophy](https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Bogleheads%C2%AE_investment_philosophy) I just searched it now though. I think that crowd is not ready to put much allocation in bitcoin. To each their own I suppose

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No no, you send btc to your own wallet. I am doing a poor job of explaining. Watch a few minutes of this video and I’m sure you’ll see what I mean: https://youtu.be/yfbq0s5Y1AE?si=1i9tcISslbToee9V

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://forum.pol... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://forum.pol... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://forum.pol... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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When it broke $20k for the first time in last year’s bear market (a significant milestone number), there were threads on there such as “HERE AE GO BOYS!!”, with comments such as “opening the champagne as we speak!”. I may be paraphrasing but you get the gist. All Bitcoin did was retrace by a typical percentage draw down range as with previous bear markets. And as we all know, it’s now 100% up off the low. I never checked at the time, but I did wonder what they thought when the BlackRock ETF news broke. I guess the *experts* on that sub know better than BlackRock and the $9 trillion they manage.

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Pub keys are not extremely long. They are a relatively short string not pages and pages of bits. Compressed pub key 0375CCD4CF547D08AB375AB2B798032921AE5C498C59C57FC47A89CA73CA148DCE Address is created by hashing pub key with 2 different algos a few times, adding a checksum and version byte, and encoding in base58 or bech32 format.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://forum.pol... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://forum.pol... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://forum.pol... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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> That is totally not true and a different target hash if you look at it for more than 2 seconds Really? Original hash from op: 0000000000000000000294d145675c8eae739b7b3c53dd0d8ff330810ce9fae6 Upper case for easier comparison: 0000000000000000000294D145675C8EAE739B7B3C53DD0D8FF330810CE9FAE6 Split by bytes (hex digit pairs): 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 94 D1 45 67 5C 8E AE 73 9B 7B 3C 53 DD 0D 8F F3 30 81 0C E9 FA E6 Reverse: E6 FA E9 0C 81 30 F3 8F 0D DD 53 3C 7B 9B 73 AE 8E 5C 67 45 D1 94 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Join it back together: E6FAE90C8130F38F0DDD533C7B9B73AE8E5C6745D19402000000000000000000 i.e. it's the target hash in reverse byte order, as I said.

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That site only accepts *text* input. You want the SHA256 of *binary* data, not text. There's no way to type it into that site - e.g. how do you type in a byte value like 0x00? in written text that would usually be a null character or string terminator. This site is a little more flexible: https://emn178.github.io/online-tools/sha256.html It will let you enter binary data. Choose Binary (Hex) as the input and paste the following: 3B907CB2BAA4E8F3903CD3C4E68BC5D4EF7141CFCB792E9EC5280AE64A3A447A The result will be the target hash with all the leading zeroes (although it actually displays it in reverse byte order). Actually, that site even gives you the option for double SHA256 directly, so you could just paste the block header hex to get the same result.

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I must admit you got me thinking, so I decided to try it out myself. As I recall, the hash is SHA256 applied *twice* to the *block header*. https://mempool.space/ has a useful API which, among other things lets you download the header for a given block. The raw hex of the block header can be seen here: https://mempool.space/api/block/0000000000000000000294d145675c8eae739b7b3c53dd0d8ff330810ce9fae6/header ...which returns: 00009932a408f21091baa68bd6c5d5bd259e854ee719c5d9d34c0400000000000000000086f2fbcf8937bc8890cd4daece6e1a02852d6447cec2b37e1281df62e34c45ecfdb94a6594810417566c0bae ...so that's our starting point. It's just a hex string though, so we need to convert it back to binary. Anyone with a bit of coding knowledge can do that pretty easily, but I just used an online tool which takes a hex string and saves it as a binary file directly (https://tomeko.net/online_tools/hex_to_file.php?lang=en). I then used the Windows PowerShell "Get-FileHash" command to find the SHA256 hash of *that* file. That returns: 3B907CB2BAA4E8F3903CD3C4E68BC5D4EF7141CFCB792E9EC5280AE64A3A447A ...so that should be SHA256 applied *once*. I then repeated the process - convert the new hex string to binary and get the hash of that. The hash of the new file came back as: E6FAE90C8130F38F0DDD533C7B9B73AE8E5C6745D19402000000000000000000 At first I thought I must have screwed up, but actually it's the original target hash with the byte order reversed (Windows v Linux standards maybe?).

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by Maleficent_Plankton. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://foru... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by Maleficent_Plankton. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://foru... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by Maleficent_Plankton. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://foru... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by Maleficent_Plankton. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://foru... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by Maleficent_Plankton. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://foru... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by Maleficent_Plankton. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://foru... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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Yeah! Here is the contract address: 0x7b37A55FFB30C11D95F943672AE98F28cFB7b087 The website is FuFuToken.io

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by Maleficent_Plankton. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://foru... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.