DC

schnitzel-kuh

Idk, I think bitcoiners need to understand that almost no one cares about all the details in the backend, about how specifically a fedwire or something works, same as you probably dont care where the stuff in your toilet goes, or how the your phone chargers make AC to DC power. All they care about is, if I send my friend money, how fast does it show up in their account. And how high are the fees. And right now, bitcoin will take longer to show up by multiple minutes, and in terms of fees last I checked it costs me nothing to wire money, however bitcoin fees vary wildly and recently went up to triple digits for one transaction. Thats orders of magnitude more than even something like western union. I think what many bitcoiners need to understand, is that for most people, who dont care how the backend of anything works, its just very unattractive to use bitcoin, which is also why adoption is so low. How should I explain to someone that they should use some slow digital currency with transaction fees that they see,and lots of hoops to jump through in order to be safe and not have their money stolen or hacked. And all this while they have a piece of plastic in their pocket that is free, works in any store and has a person you can call if something goes wrong. Imagine trying to explain to some 50 year old why he should give up all that convenience for some supposedly better backend or something, that has no effect on how he uses it. Ridiculous

UnoStronzo

Washington DC airport

GabeSter

Hey /u/krakensupport and u/krakenexchange I checked out the app on the Iphone App store. It looks like Moons on Arb One aren't on a supported token list. Here is the contract address: 0x24404DC041d74cd03cFE28855F555559390C931b It's awesome that we can add ARB One Moons to Kraken Wallet but it would be amazing if we can get them on the list, so there isn't a "warning" next to them.

Puzzleheaded-Gur818

The chairman of BTC headquarters in washington DC to be specific if i remember corectly

Wise_Moon

You ever read about the AC/DC wars? Google “Edison elephant”

null_obj

I've been thinking about buying land in WV. Crazy cheap, only 90 mins from DC. The way I see it is that this region will continue to grow and expand, and there are always gonna be commuters in a metro area that want to live out in a more rural area. 90-120 min commute isn't out of the question for some folks. Especially when you only have to go in a few days a week.

MudLoud97

To each his own.  The fiat dollar just turned 50 years old. Makes it the oldest/ longest used fiat currency in history.  Those crooks in DC are printing / spending a trillion  fake bucks every 90 days. And they show no signs of stopping. It's like they think the road goes on forever. and the party never ends. I may not know when its gonna end, just that it is gonna end. As bad as the crash in 2007 was. IMO they kicked a lot of the can down the road. I don't think they are gonna be able to pull that crap off again. I would be spending ever nickel I could scrape together and buy gold, silver. Bitcoin. Realestate . Any hard asset I could lay my hands on.

Kind_Apartment

Your black ops theory is truly fascinating. I for one, believe, Satoshi isnt a single person, but a group of egg heads in a dark basement corner of some nondescript office building in the greater DC area.

SpiteRoutine3406

To all saying he looks old- I knew him when I was in college 20 years ago in DC. He somehow looks better and younger now than he did then

Material-Gift6823

That's so nice of them 🤩. But for real like popular stuff like cvs and chain things are closing along with mom and pop stuff. And I live 45 mins from DC so I'm not exactly in the middle of nowhere. I consider myself liberal but everytime I say this they just yell at me how great the economy is and biden is great....

Blicky83

Personally,I would at least sell some of them.at the end of the day,collectibles can be valued at thousands of dollars one year and a few years later the same collectibles could be valued at hundreds of dollars. I stumbled across an article about the most sought after Playboy magazines and it blew my mind.my dad was subscribed to Playboy for years and as I looked read through the article,I realized my dad had most of them.I looked around and couldn’t find them anywhere and eventually quit looking Several years later,I was cleaning out my parents storage building and I found a few boxes full of Playboy.I instantly remembered that article I read and got excited.I hopped on the internet and was disappointed to see they were only selling for a fraction of the price they were at several years earlier Obviously,comic books,sports cards,toys,etc are not the same as Playboy magazines.Marvel and DC are still quite popular,they still have a massive fan base due to all the movies and tv shows released in recent years.comic books will remain valuable for years to come because their fan base is made up of people from all generations Playboy and magazines,in general,are a dead media format.being a dead format doesn’t necessarily mean they will lose all their perceived value but to younger generations,there will be very little interest.Of course,there will be exceptions but for the most part,magazines will be worthless as we move from one generation to the next Regardless what you choose to do,I truly hope it works out for the best.I hope all of us on this bitcoin journey will eventually be able to break free from the shackles of the central banking system.I love coming in here and reading people’s stories about how much Bitcoin has positively changed their lives,making what once seemed impossible,their current reality.I love seeing people win,it keeps me motivated.it keeps me optimistic about my future and not having to work until the day I die

CointestMod

#Algorand Con-Arguments Below is a Algorand con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Smart contracts are not yet trustless** > > EVM blockchain explorers (like EtherScan) allow smart contract creators to publish and verify their smart contract code. This allows users to trustlessly audit them and interact with them in a safe and decentralized way. > > In contrast, Algorand's blockchain explorers do not show verified code. At most, they only show [decompiled code](https://algoexplorer.io/application/971388781), through which you can only guess how the smart contract works. And there's no method to interact with them trustlessly. You have to trust the developer's app. > > ####**Small dApp community** > > Algorand TVL is [currently only $240M](https://defillama.com/chains). Even an L2 rollup like Arbitrum has 4x its TVL, and Ethereum is 340x times larger. > > Algorand only generates [$100k of revenue from transactions fees annually](https://tokenterminal.com/terminal/projects/algorand). That's enough to pay for 1 engineer's salary. > > It also doesn't help that Algorand's smart contract interpreter, AVM is very different than Ethereum's EVM, so there's a barrier to switch from Solidity to PyTeal. > > ####**Algorand CEO Staci Warden has a history of immature tweets** > > * That mysterious [NIKE](https://u.today/algorand-ceo-debunks-nike-partnership-details) tweet which turned out to be nothing > * [Tweeting like a teen with bad grammar](https://twitter.com/StaciW_DC/status/1568607639717957634) about losing USDC on Hodlnaut. And why are they even storing important Foundation funds on a CeFi platform in the first place? > > ####**Low Decentralization** > > Algorand has 2500 participation nodes, but there are several other metrics that tell a different story. > > * **Very few nodes actually participate in consensus**: Over the past 7 days (~150k blocks), only [190 voters participated in consensus](https://metrics.algorand.org/#/decentralization/). Unlike Ethereum, in which EVERY staking validator participates in Casper FFG consensus, Algorand [picks voters based on their stake](https://developer.algorand.org/docs/get-details/algorand_consensus/#the-algorand-consensus-protocol), and only a few are included in their leader and voting committees. > * **Relay Nodes**: Algorand Foundation manages a secret list of relay nodes responsible for forwarding transactions to the participation nodes. It's fine as long as there are a few honest relay nodes not censoring blocks. What's concerning is that the Algorand Foundation [used to publish a number of 100-120 relay nodes](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlgorandOfficial/comments/ku4brb/algorand_relay_nodes_public_data/), but they have since scrubbed all information about the number and identity those relay nodes. > > **Governance is for unimportant decisions on reward distributions, not for protocol updates** > > Algorand often markets that it has governance. But [the elections have only been used to vote on community rewards distribution](https://governance.algorand.foundation/), and they're very minor changes. Governance is also coordinated entirely the Algorand Foundation. > > I have never found any information voting being used for Algorand updates, which suggests that there is no public vote for protocol-level decisions. > > ####**Questionable long-term economic sustainability of its security model** > > **Constantly-changing plans** > > As much as I like Algorand's technology, its tokenomics suck. The more I study Algorand's tokenomics, the more I feel that it's a decade-long rug pull. > > First, the Algorand Foundation keeps changing the rewards system and tokenomics model: > > * They attracted node runners (early relay nodes) with billions of dollars of rewards, set to last until 2024. > * They attracted stakers and participation nodes with rewards to last until 2022. > * They then attracted community participation with Governance rewards starting in late 2021 that is currently scheduled to run out in 2030. > * At one point, there were discussions about re-introducing rewards for community relay nodes after community complaints. > > I compare their documentation with [my previous notes](https://np.reddit.com/r/MPlankton/comments/v16v7v/algorand_research_may_2022_draft/) from mid 2022, and many of the links they originally published have been replaced. Their notorious "Long Term Algo Dynamics" page, referenced as the "[New, Longer Term Algo Dynamics Model](https://www.algorand.foundation/news/new-algo-dynamics-overview)" is now old. It redirects to [a new, new model](https://www.algorand.foundation/tokenomics) which still doesn't fix their tokenomics. They seem to be changing decisions on a whim, chasing after whatever gets the most bad publicity at the time. > > **No Plans after 2030** > > Algorand Foundation's plans for [long-term economic sustainability](https://forum.algorand.org/t/serious-lack-of-transparency-and-engagement-of-algorand-foundation/2385/10) have been put off until 2030. It originally designed for Algo's 10B supply to be distributed over 6 years, with relay nodes being rewarded until 2022. That plan was scrapped and remade in Dec 2020 to extend the deadline to 2030 with rewards for relay nodes to last until 2024. There are no plans for sustainable rewards past 2030, and Algorand's tokenomics is a ticking time bomb. > > **High Inflation** > > Algorand's circulating supply has uneven inflation due to an accelerated vesting schedule. The actual circulating supply inflation was 141% in 2020, an insanely-high 433% in 2021, and 12.7% in 2022 [source](https://messari.io/asset/algorand/chart/sply-circ). The silver lining is that accelerated vesting is now over, so inflation will be [~5% over the period of 2023-2029](https://assets-global.website-files.com/62835f42aef969049eba0806/62cc37d101a3d91afc30efca_December%202020%20Algo%20Dynamics.pdf), assuming the 10B max supply holds. > > ####**Revenue too low to sustain security** > > Algorand only produces [~$100K annually from transaction fees](https://tokenterminal.com/terminal/projects/algorand), which isn't enough to cover the annual salary of single engineer. If they want to support their current 100 relay nodes, they'll likely need 100x the current fees unless everyone is super nice and **working for free**. > > **Relay Nodes** are maintained by a consortium of early investors, VCs, Universities, and other non-profits until 2024. These are being paid for through multiple rounds of massive grants totaling at least 2.5B Algo (worth billions of USD). Algorand is still the covering costs for future decentralized Relay Nodes through its [Community Relay Node Program](https://www.algorand.foundation/news/community-relay-node-program). > > It currently costs [$5-10K/year to run a cost-effective relay node on AWS](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlgorandOfficial/comments/o4on6e/run_a_relay_node_on_aws_cost_estimation/). Algorand's $100K in annual revenue from transaction fees is enough to cover a single relay node with 1 engineer. It's unsustainable. Do they think that relay node providers, each currently paid $5M annually on average, are going to stick around when they're suddenly no longer getting paid? > > **Participation nodes** are responsible for consensus and don't get paid anything. They have moderately-high [hardware requirements](https://developer.algorand.org/docs/run-a-node/setup/install/): 16GB memory, 100GB NVMe SSD, 1 Gbps dedicated Internet. > > They don't get paid any rewards, and I'm skeptical how reliable that can be with their hardware, energy, and personnel costs. ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Algorand) to find submissions for other topics.

CompetitiveHat123

Also available on Polygon Mainet, fees are way lower (few cents) and also available through Uni V3 Would recommend joining DC + TG be4 buying, always good to get more info!

doives

While maximalism exists with many "cryptos", Bitcoin maximalism is particularly toxic, because it rejects the industry as a whole. Hypothetically speaking, I could see Bitcoin maxis lobbying DC to ban all cryptos except for BTC, if something like the "flippening" were to happen. They mostly pretend to have altruistic motives like "we care about decentralization", while it's clear as day (to any "outsider") that it's purely about their wallets.

AirportOk8678

actually u can search multiple users on DC

coffeeshopcrypto

I started a website instead of a discord. U can't go back and trace I fo in DC so u really don't get to learn from eachother. So I built a site where I release indicators and ideas as well as were the memtalk and connect without DC scammers and bots in the way

Mookafff

I have a friend who used to work at Microstrategy. He would post pictures on Saylor’s yacht near DC. This was in like 2018 too

wheeldonkey

Ya. I think the etfs help insulate btc from political risk. It makes it harder for future administrations to crack down, too. Wallstreet is a big player in Washington DC.

OriginalGobsta

1. 50,000 2. 0x670DC65BDdDD45F9378E4EDAd551C193270c37a9

FinalInitiative4

1. *260,224* 2. *0xD6C6b1eb40a852D0D7c35D0695B0DC984178716f*

Showmeyourbutthole_

888888 0x65e6D76797DC22d16b38F1F566998d54d0cc3A9D

Ben8945

1. 2137 2. 0x7e2262d226558DC2DD8A8908A42970C74308E8fD

GregosaurousRex

1. 800813 2. 0x947DC536E6Ab2dfB28510d63C0d677A5DBAe7529

nipitinthebudhole

1. 376,666 2. 0x84E9A92BC9F0450D63f499ff21700b9B0DC92E0A

SierraSonic

780,000 0xf83C85dEb0E53dEa11355519EcE0C8f55DC8F245

Ploot-O

1. 718,039 2. 0xacBfD0DC48D3392cD2680a253521f77E2b280F87

Lisa_Ray0810

234,316 0xe69a40A4Dc29DC74A293d7e9e4666Ed1ec693768

Perfect_Ability_1190

1. 333,333 2. 0x3C8d4f620a7E0f6DC108f8c300496025D269964e

ZombieDracula

1. 35 2. 0x903014790906C286908DC3562e2E91b4A8Dd5712

ZzanderMander

1. 34682 2. 0x2903299EF62Cc3ECcC86cCe223b65DC293709226

MalletSwinging

1. 901720 2. 0x14F2F7B9Ba597AfCb9b99DC392f27F767ca02F91

koelebobes

163230 0x5d9343DC5bBb84894C7004f7eB6dEE3eDe92f7A6

ProbablyAccidentally

1. 433,034 2. 0x97C410DC37db82ADDAa80bd8e880530f7D942904

Cool-Protection-4337

Never trust ANY politician. In a full on oligarchy like ours they will always be bought and paid for. Nobody leaves DC broke in politics.

subdep

I suck lobbiest $cock in a DC gangang!! #WHOREN

CointestMod

#Algorand Con-Arguments Below is a Algorand con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Smart contracts are not yet trustless** > > EVM blockchain explorers (like EtherScan) allow smart contract creators to publish and verify their smart contract code. This allows users to trustlessly audit them and interact with them in a safe and decentralized way. > > In contrast, Algorand's blockchain explorers do not show verified code. At most, they only show [decompiled code](https://algoexplorer.io/application/971388781), through which you can only guess how the smart contract works. And there's no method to interact with them trustlessly. You have to trust the developer's app. > > ####**Small dApp community** > > Algorand TVL is [currently only $240M](https://defillama.com/chains). Even an L2 rollup like Arbitrum has 4x its TVL, and Ethereum is 340x times larger. > > Algorand only generates [$100k of revenue from transactions fees annually](https://tokenterminal.com/terminal/projects/algorand). That's enough to pay for 1 engineer's salary. > > It also doesn't help that Algorand's smart contract interpreter, AVM is very different than Ethereum's EVM, so there's a barrier to switch from Solidity to PyTeal. > > ####**Algorand CEO Staci Warden has a history of immature tweets** > > * That mysterious [NIKE](https://u.today/algorand-ceo-debunks-nike-partnership-details) tweet which turned out to be nothing > * [Tweeting like a teen with bad grammar](https://twitter.com/StaciW_DC/status/1568607639717957634) about losing USDC on Hodlnaut. And why are they even storing important Foundation funds on a CeFi platform in the first place? > > ####**Low Decentralization** > > Algorand has 2500 participation nodes, but there are several other metrics that tell a different story. > > * **Very few nodes actually participate in consensus**: Over the past 7 days (~150k blocks), only [190 voters participated in consensus](https://metrics.algorand.org/#/decentralization/). Unlike Ethereum, in which EVERY staking validator participates in Casper FFG consensus, Algorand [picks voters based on their stake](https://developer.algorand.org/docs/get-details/algorand_consensus/#the-algorand-consensus-protocol), and only a few are included in their leader and voting committees. > * **Relay Nodes**: Algorand Foundation manages a secret list of relay nodes responsible for forwarding transactions to the participation nodes. It's fine as long as there are a few honest relay nodes not censoring blocks. What's concerning is that the Algorand Foundation [used to publish a number of 100-120 relay nodes](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlgorandOfficial/comments/ku4brb/algorand_relay_nodes_public_data/), but they have since scrubbed all information about the number and identity those relay nodes. > > **Governance is for unimportant decisions on reward distributions, not for protocol updates** > > Algorand often markets that it has governance. But [the elections have only been used to vote on community rewards distribution](https://governance.algorand.foundation/), and they're very minor changes. Governance is also coordinated entirely the Algorand Foundation. > > I have never found any information voting being used for Algorand updates, which suggests that there is no public vote for protocol-level decisions. > > ####**Questionable long-term economic sustainability of its security model** > > **Constantly-changing plans** > > As much as I like Algorand's technology, its tokenomics suck. The more I study Algorand's tokenomics, the more I feel that it's a decade-long rug pull. > > First, the Algorand Foundation keeps changing the rewards system and tokenomics model: > > * They attracted node runners (early relay nodes) with billions of dollars of rewards, set to last until 2024. > * They attracted stakers and participation nodes with rewards to last until 2022. > * They then attracted community participation with Governance rewards starting in late 2021 that is currently scheduled to run out in 2030. > * At one point, there were discussions about re-introducing rewards for community relay nodes after community complaints. > > I compare their documentation with [my previous notes](https://np.reddit.com/r/MPlankton/comments/v16v7v/algorand_research_may_2022_draft/) from mid 2022, and many of the links they originally published have been replaced. Their notorious "Long Term Algo Dynamics" page, referenced as the "[New, Longer Term Algo Dynamics Model](https://www.algorand.foundation/news/new-algo-dynamics-overview)" is now old. It redirects to [a new, new model](https://www.algorand.foundation/tokenomics) which still doesn't fix their tokenomics. They seem to be changing decisions on a whim, chasing after whatever gets the most bad publicity at the time. > > **No Plans after 2030** > > Algorand Foundation's plans for [long-term economic sustainability](https://forum.algorand.org/t/serious-lack-of-transparency-and-engagement-of-algorand-foundation/2385/10) have been put off until 2030. It originally designed for Algo's 10B supply to be distributed over 6 years, with relay nodes being rewarded until 2022. That plan was scrapped and remade in Dec 2020 to extend the deadline to 2030 with rewards for relay nodes to last until 2024. There are no plans for sustainable rewards past 2030, and Algorand's tokenomics is a ticking time bomb. > > **High Inflation** > > Algorand's circulating supply has uneven inflation due to an accelerated vesting schedule. The actual circulating supply inflation was 141% in 2020, an insanely-high 433% in 2021, and 12.7% in 2022 [source](https://messari.io/asset/algorand/chart/sply-circ). The silver lining is that accelerated vesting is now over, so inflation will be [~5% over the period of 2023-2029](https://assets-global.website-files.com/62835f42aef969049eba0806/62cc37d101a3d91afc30efca_December%202020%20Algo%20Dynamics.pdf), assuming the 10B max supply holds. > > ####**Revenue too low to sustain security** > > Algorand only produces [~$100K annually from transaction fees](https://tokenterminal.com/terminal/projects/algorand), which isn't enough to cover the annual salary of single engineer. If they want to support their current 100 relay nodes, they'll likely need 100x the current fees unless everyone is super nice and **working for free**. > > **Relay Nodes** are maintained by a consortium of early investors, VCs, Universities, and other non-profits until 2024. These are being paid for through multiple rounds of massive grants totaling at least 2.5B Algo (worth billions of USD). Algorand is still the covering costs for future decentralized Relay Nodes through its [Community Relay Node Program](https://www.algorand.foundation/news/community-relay-node-program). > > It currently costs [$5-10K/year to run a cost-effective relay node on AWS](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlgorandOfficial/comments/o4on6e/run_a_relay_node_on_aws_cost_estimation/). Algorand's $100K in annual revenue from transaction fees is enough to cover a single relay node with 1 engineer. It's unsustainable. Do they think that relay node providers, each currently paid $5M annually on average, are going to stick around when they're suddenly no longer getting paid? > > **Participation nodes** are responsible for consensus and don't get paid anything. They have moderately-high [hardware requirements](https://developer.algorand.org/docs/run-a-node/setup/install/): 16GB memory, 100GB NVMe SSD, 1 Gbps dedicated Internet. > > They don't get paid any rewards, and I'm skeptical how reliable that can be with their hardware, energy, and personnel costs. ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Algorand) to find submissions for other topics.

romrot

except EVs are outdated technology from the 1800s with a spit shine polish to make them appear to be new technology. The lithium batteries are new, using an AC motor in lieu of a DC motor is near half a century old, but EVs outdate ICEVs by a few decades. EVs work great for short distance driving in optimal weather. If it's too cold though, the batteries won't work. until we have a better way to store electrical energy, ICEVs will still be more ideal.

basedregards

This is a multi pronged attack against the industry. He tried to dox every Bitcoin miner earlier last year and now S2669 is presented on the floor to be voted on by warren and the usual suspects. Biden will give Gensler another 4 years to destroy the industry if he’s re-elected. The democrats hate crypto, period. You are brainwashed if you think otherwise. Look at their actions. Look at what is happening in Washington DC RIGHT NOW

Conrad_Maat

bc1q7esnjkjkc88xhkdyv79x8mj6k78qq4xe3lte8y This story sounds fictional, but I promise- it’s real this lifetime around. My biological dad left when I was 1 year old. He was brainwashed by a government agency and married his 20 year old Russian translator during the 90’s, moved to DC after the 911 psy op to do the NNSA’s global nuclear bidding. Been working on my own since helping my single mother overcome the challenges from her past. (She was raped and abused as a young girl). I’m currently trying to save up for and build a homestead and work the land, clean the rivers I live by, help the people I live around, and overall live in freedom happiness and peace. If you wanna throw some sats to my dream, I greatly appreciate it fellow brothers and sisters.

The__Lemming

So you want a memecoin nobody has ever seen before which *may* go to the moon? Here, I made this years ago, no other holders 2 transctions ever: 0x236b97b6Bdf597B6A12AF8Dc84E5141E482b31DC

Needsupgrade

Because congress are wealthy elites that live off capital returns and not wages like the working class that suffer , so they can try to pretend like they are taking the higher ground but they are really just making being a congress member untenable for working class people that can't afford to live and do the things in DC . They will throw away some meaningless thousands of potential wages for themselves to make millions from the savings that pass through as dividends and stock buybacks into their bank accounts 

Airjimbo

$70 here in DC. Lots of variety to choose from.

stiizy13

Circa 2013 when I drove up to washing DC to put money into a machine and spit out an address. 361 bitcoins went to tor browser. If only I knew.

shashzilla

I’m simply trying to shred, like OP, but I agree with you DC_org, strongly. I’m not sold that euphoria has been baked into the price already.

Kazachstania

The last thing the scum in DC wants is to help average peons become wealthy. They will protect their snob class at all costs. Remember Game Stop and people being blocked from buying?

CointestMod

#Algorand Con-Arguments Below is a Algorand con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Smart contracts are not yet trustless** > > EVM blockchain explorers (like EtherScan) allow smart contract creators to publish and verify their smart contract code. This allows users to trustlessly audit them and interact with them in a safe and decentralized way. > > In contrast, Algorand's blockchain explorers do not show verified code. At most, they only show [decompiled code](https://algoexplorer.io/application/971388781), through which you can only guess how the smart contract works. And there's no method to interact with them trustlessly. You have to trust the developer's app. > > ####**Small dApp community** > > Algorand TVL is [currently only $240M](https://defillama.com/chains). Even an L2 rollup like Arbitrum has 4x its TVL, and Ethereum is 340x times larger. > > Algorand only generates [$100k of revenue from transactions fees annually](https://tokenterminal.com/terminal/projects/algorand). That's enough to pay for 1 engineer's salary. > > It also doesn't help that Algorand's smart contract interpreter, AVM is very different than Ethereum's EVM, so there's a barrier to switch from Solidity to PyTeal. > > ####**Algorand CEO Staci Warden has a history of immature tweets** > > * That mysterious [NIKE](https://u.today/algorand-ceo-debunks-nike-partnership-details) tweet which turned out to be nothing > * [Tweeting like a teen with bad grammar](https://twitter.com/StaciW_DC/status/1568607639717957634) about losing USDC on Hodlnaut. And why are they even storing important Foundation funds on a CeFi platform in the first place? > > ####**Low Decentralization** > > Algorand has 2500 participation nodes, but there are several other metrics that tell a different story. > > * **Very few nodes actually participate in consensus**: Over the past 7 days (~150k blocks), only [190 voters participated in consensus](https://metrics.algorand.org/#/decentralization/). Unlike Ethereum, in which EVERY staking validator participates in Casper FFG consensus, Algorand [picks voters based on their stake](https://developer.algorand.org/docs/get-details/algorand_consensus/#the-algorand-consensus-protocol), and only a few are included in their leader and voting committees. > * **Relay Nodes**: Algorand Foundation manages a secret list of relay nodes responsible for forwarding transactions to the participation nodes. It's fine as long as there are a few honest relay nodes not censoring blocks. What's concerning is that the Algorand Foundation [used to publish a number of 100-120 relay nodes](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlgorandOfficial/comments/ku4brb/algorand_relay_nodes_public_data/), but they have since scrubbed all information about the number and identity those relay nodes. > > **Governance is for unimportant decisions on reward distributions, not for protocol updates** > > Algorand often markets that it has governance. But [the elections have only been used to vote on community rewards distribution](https://governance.algorand.foundation/), and they're very minor changes. Governance is also coordinated entirely the Algorand Foundation. > > I have never found any information voting being used for Algorand updates, which suggests that there is no public vote for protocol-level decisions. > > ####**Questionable long-term economic sustainability of its security model** > > **Constantly-changing plans** > > As much as I like Algorand's technology, its tokenomics suck. The more I study Algorand's tokenomics, the more I feel that it's a decade-long rug pull. > > First, the Algorand Foundation keeps changing the rewards system and tokenomics model: > > * They attracted node runners (early relay nodes) with billions of dollars of rewards, set to last until 2024. > * They attracted stakers and participation nodes with rewards to last until 2022. > * They then attracted community participation with Governance rewards starting in late 2021 that is currently scheduled to run out in 2030. > * At one point, there were discussions about re-introducing rewards for community relay nodes after community complaints. > > I compare their documentation with [my previous notes](https://np.reddit.com/r/MPlankton/comments/v16v7v/algorand_research_may_2022_draft/) from mid 2022, and many of the links they originally published have been replaced. Their notorious "Long Term Algo Dynamics" page, referenced as the "[New, Longer Term Algo Dynamics Model](https://www.algorand.foundation/news/new-algo-dynamics-overview)" is now old. It redirects to [a new, new model](https://www.algorand.foundation/tokenomics) which still doesn't fix their tokenomics. They seem to be changing decisions on a whim, chasing after whatever gets the most bad publicity at the time. > > **No Plans after 2030** > > Algorand Foundation's plans for [long-term economic sustainability](https://forum.algorand.org/t/serious-lack-of-transparency-and-engagement-of-algorand-foundation/2385/10) have been put off until 2030. It originally designed for Algo's 10B supply to be distributed over 6 years, with relay nodes being rewarded until 2022. That plan was scrapped and remade in Dec 2020 to extend the deadline to 2030 with rewards for relay nodes to last until 2024. There are no plans for sustainable rewards past 2030, and Algorand's tokenomics is a ticking time bomb. > > **High Inflation** > > Algorand's circulating supply has uneven inflation due to an accelerated vesting schedule. The actual circulating supply inflation was 141% in 2020, an insanely-high 433% in 2021, and 12.7% in 2022 [source](https://messari.io/asset/algorand/chart/sply-circ). The silver lining is that accelerated vesting is now over, so inflation will be [~5% over the period of 2023-2029](https://assets-global.website-files.com/62835f42aef969049eba0806/62cc37d101a3d91afc30efca_December%202020%20Algo%20Dynamics.pdf), assuming the 10B max supply holds. > > ####**Revenue too low to sustain security** > > Algorand only produces [~$100K annually from transaction fees](https://tokenterminal.com/terminal/projects/algorand), which isn't enough to cover the annual salary of single engineer. If they want to support their current 100 relay nodes, they'll likely need 100x the current fees unless everyone is super nice and **working for free**. > > **Relay Nodes** are maintained by a consortium of early investors, VCs, Universities, and other non-profits until 2024. These are being paid for through multiple rounds of massive grants totaling at least 2.5B Algo (worth billions of USD). Algorand is still the covering costs for future decentralized Relay Nodes through its [Community Relay Node Program](https://www.algorand.foundation/news/community-relay-node-program). > > It currently costs [$5-10K/year to run a cost-effective relay node on AWS](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlgorandOfficial/comments/o4on6e/run_a_relay_node_on_aws_cost_estimation/). Algorand's $100K in annual revenue from transaction fees is enough to cover a single relay node with 1 engineer. It's unsustainable. Do they think that relay node providers, each currently paid $5M annually on average, are going to stick around when they're suddenly no longer getting paid? > > **Participation nodes** are responsible for consensus and don't get paid anything. They have moderately-high [hardware requirements](https://developer.algorand.org/docs/run-a-node/setup/install/): 16GB memory, 100GB NVMe SSD, 1 Gbps dedicated Internet. > > They don't get paid any rewards, and I'm skeptical how reliable that can be with their hardware, energy, and personnel costs. ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Algorand) to find submissions for other topics.

RealCheyemos

I just keep DC – although I did make a huge pie today… But I would never play with leverage – that’s a great way to get wrecked, I don’t care how much potential profit I can make… Not worth it.

Spmhealy_ADA

CKB and ROSE (I do like MINA tho) I'll give an educated response. CKB is working on a BTC L2, very promising. ROSE is privacy focused and we will see that become a big narrative. Especially since we seen a Greyscale filling for a privacy coin ETF. I do like MINA. Guy from DC Spark who just finished his game on Cardano/Arbatrum said he would love to see a MINA/ADA/ARB collab. Jasmy is a shit coin. It's big with the Facebook groups and shit coin pumpers.

CointestMod

#Algorand Con-Arguments Below is a Algorand con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Smart contracts are not yet trustless** > > EVM blockchain explorers (like EtherScan) allow smart contract creators to publish and verify their smart contract code. This allows users to trustlessly audit them and interact with them in a safe and decentralized way. > > In contrast, Algorand's blockchain explorers do not show verified code. At most, they only show [decompiled code](https://algoexplorer.io/application/971388781), through which you can only guess how the smart contract works. And there's no method to interact with them trustlessly. You have to trust the developer's app. > > ####**Small dApp community** > > Algorand TVL is [currently only $240M](https://defillama.com/chains). Even an L2 rollup like Arbitrum has 4x its TVL, and Ethereum is 340x times larger. > > Algorand only generates [$100k of revenue from transactions fees annually](https://tokenterminal.com/terminal/projects/algorand). That's enough to pay for 1 engineer's salary. > > It also doesn't help that Algorand's smart contract interpreter, AVM is very different than Ethereum's EVM, so there's a barrier to switch from Solidity to PyTeal. > > ####**Algorand CEO Staci Warden has a history of immature tweets** > > * That mysterious [NIKE](https://u.today/algorand-ceo-debunks-nike-partnership-details) tweet which turned out to be nothing > * [Tweeting like a teen with bad grammar](https://twitter.com/StaciW_DC/status/1568607639717957634) about losing USDC on Hodlnaut. And why are they even storing important Foundation funds on a CeFi platform in the first place? > > ####**Low Decentralization** > > Algorand has 2500 participation nodes, but there are several other metrics that tell a different story. > > * **Very few nodes actually participate in consensus**: Over the past 7 days (~150k blocks), only [190 voters participated in consensus](https://metrics.algorand.org/#/decentralization/). Unlike Ethereum, in which EVERY staking validator participates in Casper FFG consensus, Algorand [picks voters based on their stake](https://developer.algorand.org/docs/get-details/algorand_consensus/#the-algorand-consensus-protocol), and only a few are included in their leader and voting committees. > * **Relay Nodes**: Algorand Foundation manages a secret list of relay nodes responsible for forwarding transactions to the participation nodes. It's fine as long as there are a few honest relay nodes not censoring blocks. What's concerning is that the Algorand Foundation [used to publish a number of 100-120 relay nodes](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlgorandOfficial/comments/ku4brb/algorand_relay_nodes_public_data/), but they have since scrubbed all information about the number and identity those relay nodes. > > **Governance is for unimportant decisions on reward distributions, not for protocol updates** > > Algorand often markets that it has governance. But [the elections have only been used to vote on community rewards distribution](https://governance.algorand.foundation/), and they're very minor changes. Governance is also coordinated entirely the Algorand Foundation. > > I have never found any information voting being used for Algorand updates, which suggests that there is no public vote for protocol-level decisions. > > ####**Questionable long-term economic sustainability of its security model** > > **Constantly-changing plans** > > As much as I like Algorand's technology, its tokenomics suck. The more I study Algorand's tokenomics, the more I feel that it's a decade-long rug pull. > > First, the Algorand Foundation keeps changing the rewards system and tokenomics model: > > * They attracted node runners (early relay nodes) with billions of dollars of rewards, set to last until 2024. > * They attracted stakers and participation nodes with rewards to last until 2022. > * They then attracted community participation with Governance rewards starting in late 2021 that is currently scheduled to run out in 2030. > * At one point, there were discussions about re-introducing rewards for community relay nodes after community complaints. > > I compare their documentation with [my previous notes](https://np.reddit.com/r/MPlankton/comments/v16v7v/algorand_research_may_2022_draft/) from mid 2022, and many of the links they originally published have been replaced. Their notorious "Long Term Algo Dynamics" page, referenced as the "[New, Longer Term Algo Dynamics Model](https://www.algorand.foundation/news/new-algo-dynamics-overview)" is now old. It redirects to [a new, new model](https://www.algorand.foundation/tokenomics) which still doesn't fix their tokenomics. They seem to be changing decisions on a whim, chasing after whatever gets the most bad publicity at the time. > > **No Plans after 2030** > > Algorand Foundation's plans for [long-term economic sustainability](https://forum.algorand.org/t/serious-lack-of-transparency-and-engagement-of-algorand-foundation/2385/10) have been put off until 2030. It originally designed for Algo's 10B supply to be distributed over 6 years, with relay nodes being rewarded until 2022. That plan was scrapped and remade in Dec 2020 to extend the deadline to 2030 with rewards for relay nodes to last until 2024. There are no plans for sustainable rewards past 2030, and Algorand's tokenomics is a ticking time bomb. > > **High Inflation** > > Algorand's circulating supply has uneven inflation due to an accelerated vesting schedule. The actual circulating supply inflation was 141% in 2020, an insanely-high 433% in 2021, and 12.7% in 2022 [source](https://messari.io/asset/algorand/chart/sply-circ). The silver lining is that accelerated vesting is now over, so inflation will be [~5% over the period of 2023-2029](https://assets-global.website-files.com/62835f42aef969049eba0806/62cc37d101a3d91afc30efca_December%202020%20Algo%20Dynamics.pdf), assuming the 10B max supply holds. > > ####**Revenue too low to sustain security** > > Algorand only produces [~$100K annually from transaction fees](https://tokenterminal.com/terminal/projects/algorand), which isn't enough to cover the annual salary of single engineer. If they want to support their current 100 relay nodes, they'll likely need 100x the current fees unless everyone is super nice and **working for free**. > > **Relay Nodes** are maintained by a consortium of early investors, VCs, Universities, and other non-profits until 2024. These are being paid for through multiple rounds of massive grants totaling at least 2.5B Algo (worth billions of USD). Algorand is still the covering costs for future decentralized Relay Nodes through its [Community Relay Node Program](https://www.algorand.foundation/news/community-relay-node-program). > > It currently costs [$5-10K/year to run a cost-effective relay node on AWS](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlgorandOfficial/comments/o4on6e/run_a_relay_node_on_aws_cost_estimation/). Algorand's $100K in annual revenue from transaction fees is enough to cover a single relay node with 1 engineer. It's unsustainable. Do they think that relay node providers, each currently paid $5M annually on average, are going to stick around when they're suddenly no longer getting paid? > > **Participation nodes** are responsible for consensus and don't get paid anything. They have moderately-high [hardware requirements](https://developer.algorand.org/docs/run-a-node/setup/install/): 16GB memory, 100GB NVMe SSD, 1 Gbps dedicated Internet. > > They don't get paid any rewards, and I'm skeptical how reliable that can be with their hardware, energy, and personnel costs. ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Algorand) to find submissions for other topics.

CointestMod

#Algorand Con-Arguments Below is a Algorand con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Smart contracts are not yet trustless** > > EVM blockchain explorers (like EtherScan) allow smart contract creators to publish and verify their smart contract code. This allows users to trustlessly audit them and interact with them in a safe and decentralized way. > > In contrast, Algorand's blockchain explorers do not show verified code. At most, they only show [decompiled code](https://algoexplorer.io/application/971388781), through which you can only guess how the smart contract works. And there's no method to interact with them trustlessly. You have to trust the developer's app. > > ####**Small dApp community** > > Algorand TVL is [currently only $240M](https://defillama.com/chains). Even an L2 rollup like Arbitrum has 4x its TVL, and Ethereum is 340x times larger. > > Algorand only generates [$100k of revenue from transactions fees annually](https://tokenterminal.com/terminal/projects/algorand). That's enough to pay for 1 engineer's salary. > > It also doesn't help that Algorand's smart contract interpreter, AVM is very different than Ethereum's EVM, so there's a barrier to switch from Solidity to PyTeal. > > ####**Algorand CEO Staci Warden has a history of immature tweets** > > * That mysterious [NIKE](https://u.today/algorand-ceo-debunks-nike-partnership-details) tweet which turned out to be nothing > * [Tweeting like a teen with bad grammar](https://twitter.com/StaciW_DC/status/1568607639717957634) about losing USDC on Hodlnaut. And why are they even storing important Foundation funds on a CeFi platform in the first place? > > ####**Low Decentralization** > > Algorand has 2500 participation nodes, but there are several other metrics that tell a different story. > > * **Very few nodes actually participate in consensus**: Over the past 7 days (~150k blocks), only [190 voters participated in consensus](https://metrics.algorand.org/#/decentralization/). Unlike Ethereum, in which EVERY staking validator participates in Casper FFG consensus, Algorand [picks voters based on their stake](https://developer.algorand.org/docs/get-details/algorand_consensus/#the-algorand-consensus-protocol), and only a few are included in their leader and voting committees. > * **Relay Nodes**: Algorand Foundation manages a secret list of relay nodes responsible for forwarding transactions to the participation nodes. It's fine as long as there are a few honest relay nodes not censoring blocks. What's concerning is that the Algorand Foundation [used to publish a number of 100-120 relay nodes](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlgorandOfficial/comments/ku4brb/algorand_relay_nodes_public_data/), but they have since scrubbed all information about the number and identity those relay nodes. > > **Governance is for unimportant decisions on reward distributions, not for protocol updates** > > Algorand often markets that it has governance. But [the elections have only been used to vote on community rewards distribution](https://governance.algorand.foundation/), and they're very minor changes. Governance is also coordinated entirely the Algorand Foundation. > > I have never found any information voting being used for Algorand updates, which suggests that there is no public vote for protocol-level decisions. > > ####**Questionable long-term economic sustainability of its security model** > > **Constantly-changing plans** > > As much as I like Algorand's technology, its tokenomics suck. The more I study Algorand's tokenomics, the more I feel that it's a decade-long rug pull. > > First, the Algorand Foundation keeps changing the rewards system and tokenomics model: > > * They attracted node runners (early relay nodes) with billions of dollars of rewards, set to last until 2024. > * They attracted stakers and participation nodes with rewards to last until 2022. > * They then attracted community participation with Governance rewards starting in late 2021 that is currently scheduled to run out in 2030. > * At one point, there were discussions about re-introducing rewards for community relay nodes after community complaints. > > I compare their documentation with [my previous notes](https://np.reddit.com/r/MPlankton/comments/v16v7v/algorand_research_may_2022_draft/) from mid 2022, and many of the links they originally published have been replaced. Their notorious "Long Term Algo Dynamics" page, referenced as the "[New, Longer Term Algo Dynamics Model](https://www.algorand.foundation/news/new-algo-dynamics-overview)" is now old. It redirects to [a new, new model](https://www.algorand.foundation/tokenomics) which still doesn't fix their tokenomics. They seem to be changing decisions on a whim, chasing after whatever gets the most bad publicity at the time. > > **No Plans after 2030** > > Algorand Foundation's plans for [long-term economic sustainability](https://forum.algorand.org/t/serious-lack-of-transparency-and-engagement-of-algorand-foundation/2385/10) have been put off until 2030. It originally designed for Algo's 10B supply to be distributed over 6 years, with relay nodes being rewarded until 2022. That plan was scrapped and remade in Dec 2020 to extend the deadline to 2030 with rewards for relay nodes to last until 2024. There are no plans for sustainable rewards past 2030, and Algorand's tokenomics is a ticking time bomb. > > **High Inflation** > > Algorand's circulating supply has uneven inflation due to an accelerated vesting schedule. The actual circulating supply inflation was 141% in 2020, an insanely-high 433% in 2021, and 12.7% in 2022 [source](https://messari.io/asset/algorand/chart/sply-circ). The silver lining is that accelerated vesting is now over, so inflation will be [~5% over the period of 2023-2029](https://assets-global.website-files.com/62835f42aef969049eba0806/62cc37d101a3d91afc30efca_December%202020%20Algo%20Dynamics.pdf), assuming the 10B max supply holds. > > ####**Revenue too low to sustain security** > > Algorand only produces [~$100K annually from transaction fees](https://tokenterminal.com/terminal/projects/algorand), which isn't enough to cover the annual salary of single engineer. If they want to support their current 100 relay nodes, they'll likely need 100x the current fees unless everyone is super nice and **working for free**. > > **Relay Nodes** are maintained by a consortium of early investors, VCs, Universities, and other non-profits until 2024. These are being paid for through multiple rounds of massive grants totaling at least 2.5B Algo (worth billions of USD). Algorand is still the covering costs for future decentralized Relay Nodes through its [Community Relay Node Program](https://www.algorand.foundation/news/community-relay-node-program). > > It currently costs [$5-10K/year to run a cost-effective relay node on AWS](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlgorandOfficial/comments/o4on6e/run_a_relay_node_on_aws_cost_estimation/). Algorand's $100K in annual revenue from transaction fees is enough to cover a single relay node with 1 engineer. It's unsustainable. Do they think that relay node providers, each currently paid $5M annually on average, are going to stick around when they're suddenly no longer getting paid? > > **Participation nodes** are responsible for consensus and don't get paid anything. They have moderately-high [hardware requirements](https://developer.algorand.org/docs/run-a-node/setup/install/): 16GB memory, 100GB NVMe SSD, 1 Gbps dedicated Internet. > > They don't get paid any rewards, and I'm skeptical how reliable that can be with their hardware, energy, and personnel costs. ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Algorand) to find submissions for other topics.

AioliSoggy

Check out the DC Comics nft's. Not a JPEG but a digital version of the comic that you can read.

philter451

But u/flat4power4life... Have you considered that a warmongering lobbyist for Haliburton might not be able to afford his Washington DC condo right next to a Senators house without reckless spending?

Grp8pe88

I hear ya, but not really..If you got a neighbor that didn't buy in and stayed prepared with resources, or still have mom n pop shops around not completely eaten up by big box retailers, they would possibly take your cash in exchange for some things you need to get you to point B. gold, silver, copper and steel in that scenario! Not really going to the extreme of an apocalyptic event, though. More along the lines of newborns or infirm-ed in a residence where the primary caretaker has bought in fully with DC's and a cashless society. 72 - 96 hours without the resources we've been spoiled to could be deadly to these types of households.

TissueUnflawed

BTC is not the primary DC that would reign in a cashless society, because of the two numbers

Grp8pe88

of course it is...unless BTC is not a DC, the primary DC that some would like to reign in a cashless society. If you agree with that, I would say you have to admit it's extremely relevant.

Grp8pe88

yeah, starlink is what I'm getting so far. There's still more caveats in this situation, which I'm sure will be worked out in time if cashless is the ultimate goal. This scenario only works if everyone is transacting with a DC, and there's exchanges in the local infrastructure set up the same way. Thanks for your input.

eggaholic69

Considering that the majority of the most powerful financial institutions in the world are buying bitcoin to equal 1%-3% of their general market portfolio ETFs, that the Federal Reserve Chair said bluntly that the American financial system is unsustainable, that DC Court of Appeals established case-law protections for bitcoin from arbitrary restrictions from the SEC, and that every time the bitcoin has gone up this close to previous all-time-highs it goes 3-5x in price from there, I think you should buy as much as you humanly can.

Vegas_42

I would say no. See, Bitcoin is more of a discovery than an invention. When electriicty was discovered, there was no "better" electricity (not discussing AC/DC here). It's dichotom. Have it or have it not. If you program a "new" Bitcoin, it's just Bitcoin.

Playful_Stand6721

classic rock for me. AC/DC goes well with bitcoin imo. it's a hard rock/punk rock that cannot be stopped 👍

backcountrydrifter

The CCP and Russia have been staging up hundreds of thousands of people in Ecuador, Nicaragua and Venezuela for a 5th column invasion of the United States because Xi needs farmland to feed 1.4B people. National guard troops take their orders from governors and not the federal government. Trump tested this during the George Floyd protests when he asked the “loyal” Republican governors to kiss the ring and send troops to DC to “shoot the protestors in the legs” because the pentagon reminded him that using U.S. troops against U.S. citizens would be both treason and wildly illegal. Bannon tried unsuccessfully to privatize a part of the southern border wall but failed due to, unsurprisingly, internal corruption. Bannon was arrested on the boat of Guo Wengui who is some sort of convoluted double/triple agent for the CCP. They are now both in court for a billion dollar fraud. Every GOP congressmen that took Russian political money is desperately trying to figure out how to preserve their political career while the people are figured out that they were sold out to the dictators for some PAC money. Freedom is never free. We all just live on very expensive credit and the sacrifices of others. Make it count

xlvi_et_ii

Why stop at math? Civics and history seem in short supply in DC and a few State capitals these days.

ArchmageXin

> Michelle Obama being a dude, How the fuck this is right? > epstein (pizzagate, wasnt it?) Wtf no. Pizzagate was a alleged Pizza store in Washington DC with no basement yet somehow house a secret pedo ring. Epstein had a private Island. >but he's sometimes right about the far-fetched accusations (sometimes) Try never

SurprisedByItAll

Filthy Waters perfectly represents the most despicable low IQ anti constitutional republic moron that Washington DC attracts. The more perversely corrupt the more success they have.

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#Algorand Con-Arguments Below is a Algorand con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Smart contracts are not yet trustless** > > EVM blockchain explorers (like EtherScan) allow smart contract creators to publish and verify their smart contract code. This allows users to trustlessly audit them and interact with them in a safe and decentralized way. > > In contrast, Algorand's blockchain explorers do not show verified code. At most, they only show [decompiled code](https://algoexplorer.io/application/971388781), through which you can only guess how the smart contract works. And there's no method to interact with them trustlessly. You have to trust the developer's app. > > ####**Small dApp community** > > Algorand TVL is [currently only $240M](https://defillama.com/chains). Even an L2 rollup like Arbitrum has 4x its TVL, and Ethereum is 340x times larger. > > Algorand only generates [$100k of revenue from transactions fees annually](https://tokenterminal.com/terminal/projects/algorand). That's enough to pay for 1 engineer's salary. > > It also doesn't help that Algorand's smart contract interpreter, AVM is very different than Ethereum's EVM, so there's a barrier to switch from Solidity to PyTeal. > > ####**Algorand CEO Staci Warden has a history of immature tweets** > > * That mysterious [NIKE](https://u.today/algorand-ceo-debunks-nike-partnership-details) tweet which turned out to be nothing > * [Tweeting like a teen with bad grammar](https://twitter.com/StaciW_DC/status/1568607639717957634) about losing USDC on Hodlnaut. And why are they even storing important Foundation funds on a CeFi platform in the first place? > > ####**Low Decentralization** > > Algorand has 2500 participation nodes, but there are several other metrics that tell a different story. > > * **Very few nodes actually participate in consensus**: Over the past 7 days (~150k blocks), only [190 voters participated in consensus](https://metrics.algorand.org/#/decentralization/). Unlike Ethereum, in which EVERY staking validator participates in Casper FFG consensus, Algorand [picks voters based on their stake](https://developer.algorand.org/docs/get-details/algorand_consensus/#the-algorand-consensus-protocol), and only a few are included in their leader and voting committees. > * **Relay Nodes**: Algorand Foundation manages a secret list of relay nodes responsible for forwarding transactions to the participation nodes. It's fine as long as there are a few honest relay nodes not censoring blocks. What's concerning is that the Algorand Foundation [used to publish a number of 100-120 relay nodes](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlgorandOfficial/comments/ku4brb/algorand_relay_nodes_public_data/), but they have since scrubbed all information about the number and identity those relay nodes. > > **Governance is for unimportant decisions on reward distributions, not for protocol updates** > > Algorand often markets that it has governance. But [the elections have only been used to vote on community rewards distribution](https://governance.algorand.foundation/), and they're very minor changes. Governance is also coordinated entirely the Algorand Foundation. > > I have never found any information voting being used for Algorand updates, which suggests that there is no public vote for protocol-level decisions. > > ####**Questionable long-term economic sustainability of its security model** > > **Constantly-changing plans** > > As much as I like Algorand's technology, its tokenomics suck. The more I study Algorand's tokenomics, the more I feel that it's a decade-long rug pull. > > First, the Algorand Foundation keeps changing the rewards system and tokenomics model: > > * They attracted node runners (early relay nodes) with billions of dollars of rewards, set to last until 2024. > * They attracted stakers and participation nodes with rewards to last until 2022. > * They then attracted community participation with Governance rewards starting in late 2021 that is currently scheduled to run out in 2030. > * At one point, there were discussions about re-introducing rewards for community relay nodes after community complaints. > > I compare their documentation with [my previous notes](https://np.reddit.com/r/MPlankton/comments/v16v7v/algorand_research_may_2022_draft/) from mid 2022, and many of the links they originally published have been replaced. Their notorious "Long Term Algo Dynamics" page, referenced as the "[New, Longer Term Algo Dynamics Model](https://www.algorand.foundation/news/new-algo-dynamics-overview)" is now old. It redirects to [a new, new model](https://www.algorand.foundation/tokenomics) which still doesn't fix their tokenomics. They seem to be changing decisions on a whim, chasing after whatever gets the most bad publicity at the time. > > **No Plans after 2030** > > Algorand Foundation's plans for [long-term economic sustainability](https://forum.algorand.org/t/serious-lack-of-transparency-and-engagement-of-algorand-foundation/2385/10) have been put off until 2030. It originally designed for Algo's 10B supply to be distributed over 6 years, with relay nodes being rewarded until 2022. That plan was scrapped and remade in Dec 2020 to extend the deadline to 2030 with rewards for relay nodes to last until 2024. There are no plans for sustainable rewards past 2030, and Algorand's tokenomics is a ticking time bomb. > > **High Inflation** > > Algorand's circulating supply has uneven inflation due to an accelerated vesting schedule. The actual circulating supply inflation was 141% in 2020, an insanely-high 433% in 2021, and 12.7% in 2022 [source](https://messari.io/asset/algorand/chart/sply-circ). The silver lining is that accelerated vesting is now over, so inflation will be [~5% over the period of 2023-2029](https://assets-global.website-files.com/62835f42aef969049eba0806/62cc37d101a3d91afc30efca_December%202020%20Algo%20Dynamics.pdf), assuming the 10B max supply holds. > > ####**Revenue too low to sustain security** > > Algorand only produces [~$100K annually from transaction fees](https://tokenterminal.com/terminal/projects/algorand), which isn't enough to cover the annual salary of single engineer. If they want to support their current 100 relay nodes, they'll likely need 100x the current fees unless everyone is super nice and **working for free**. > > **Relay Nodes** are maintained by a consortium of early investors, VCs, Universities, and other non-profits until 2024. These are being paid for through multiple rounds of massive grants totaling at least 2.5B Algo (worth billions of USD). Algorand is still the covering costs for future decentralized Relay Nodes through its [Community Relay Node Program](https://www.algorand.foundation/news/community-relay-node-program). > > It currently costs [$5-10K/year to run a cost-effective relay node on AWS](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlgorandOfficial/comments/o4on6e/run_a_relay_node_on_aws_cost_estimation/). Algorand's $100K in annual revenue from transaction fees is enough to cover a single relay node with 1 engineer. It's unsustainable. Do they think that relay node providers, each currently paid $5M annually on average, are going to stick around when they're suddenly no longer getting paid? > > **Participation nodes** are responsible for consensus and don't get paid anything. They have moderately-high [hardware requirements](https://developer.algorand.org/docs/run-a-node/setup/install/): 16GB memory, 100GB NVMe SSD, 1 Gbps dedicated Internet. > > They don't get paid any rewards, and I'm skeptical how reliable that can be with their hardware, energy, and personnel costs. ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Algorand) to find submissions for other topics.

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#Algorand Con-Arguments Below is a Algorand con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Smart contracts are not yet trustless** > > EVM blockchain explorers (like EtherScan) allow smart contract creators to publish and verify their smart contract code. This allows users to trustlessly audit them and interact with them in a safe and decentralized way. > > In contrast, Algorand's blockchain explorers do not show verified code. At most, they only show [decompiled code](https://algoexplorer.io/application/971388781), through which you can only guess how the smart contract works. And there's no method to interact with them trustlessly. You have to trust the developer's app. > > ####**Small dApp community** > > Algorand TVL is [currently only $240M](https://defillama.com/chains). Even an L2 rollup like Arbitrum has 4x its TVL, and Ethereum is 340x times larger. > > Algorand only generates [$100k of revenue from transactions fees annually](https://tokenterminal.com/terminal/projects/algorand). That's enough to pay for 1 engineer's salary. > > It also doesn't help that Algorand's smart contract interpreter, AVM is very different than Ethereum's EVM, so there's a barrier to switch from Solidity to PyTeal. > > ####**Algorand CEO Staci Warden has a history of immature tweets** > > * That mysterious [NIKE](https://u.today/algorand-ceo-debunks-nike-partnership-details) tweet which turned out to be nothing > * [Tweeting like a teen with bad grammar](https://twitter.com/StaciW_DC/status/1568607639717957634) about losing USDC on Hodlnaut. And why are they even storing important Foundation funds on a CeFi platform in the first place? > > ####**Low Decentralization** > > Algorand has 2500 participation nodes, but there are several other metrics that tell a different story. > > * **Very few nodes actually participate in consensus**: Over the past 7 days (~150k blocks), only [190 voters participated in consensus](https://metrics.algorand.org/#/decentralization/). Unlike Ethereum, in which EVERY staking validator participates in Casper FFG consensus, Algorand [picks voters based on their stake](https://developer.algorand.org/docs/get-details/algorand_consensus/#the-algorand-consensus-protocol), and only a few are included in their leader and voting committees. > * **Relay Nodes**: Algorand Foundation manages a secret list of relay nodes responsible for forwarding transactions to the participation nodes. It's fine as long as there are a few honest relay nodes not censoring blocks. What's concerning is that the Algorand Foundation [used to publish a number of 100-120 relay nodes](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlgorandOfficial/comments/ku4brb/algorand_relay_nodes_public_data/), but they have since scrubbed all information about the number and identity those relay nodes. > > **Governance is for unimportant decisions on reward distributions, not for protocol updates** > > Algorand often markets that it has governance. But [the elections have only been used to vote on community rewards distribution](https://governance.algorand.foundation/), and they're very minor changes. Governance is also coordinated entirely the Algorand Foundation. > > I have never found any information voting being used for Algorand updates, which suggests that there is no public vote for protocol-level decisions. > > ####**Questionable long-term economic sustainability of its security model** > > **Constantly-changing plans** > > As much as I like Algorand's technology, its tokenomics suck. The more I study Algorand's tokenomics, the more I feel that it's a decade-long rug pull. > > First, the Algorand Foundation keeps changing the rewards system and tokenomics model: > > * They attracted node runners (early relay nodes) with billions of dollars of rewards, set to last until 2024. > * They attracted stakers and participation nodes with rewards to last until 2022. > * They then attracted community participation with Governance rewards starting in late 2021 that is currently scheduled to run out in 2030. > * At one point, there were discussions about re-introducing rewards for community relay nodes after community complaints. > > I compare their documentation with [my previous notes](https://np.reddit.com/r/MPlankton/comments/v16v7v/algorand_research_may_2022_draft/) from mid 2022, and many of the links they originally published have been replaced. Their notorious "Long Term Algo Dynamics" page, referenced as the "[New, Longer Term Algo Dynamics Model](https://www.algorand.foundation/news/new-algo-dynamics-overview)" is now old. It redirects to [a new, new model](https://www.algorand.foundation/tokenomics) which still doesn't fix their tokenomics. They seem to be changing decisions on a whim, chasing after whatever gets the most bad publicity at the time. > > **No Plans after 2030** > > Algorand Foundation's plans for [long-term economic sustainability](https://forum.algorand.org/t/serious-lack-of-transparency-and-engagement-of-algorand-foundation/2385/10) have been put off until 2030. It originally designed for Algo's 10B supply to be distributed over 6 years, with relay nodes being rewarded until 2022. That plan was scrapped and remade in Dec 2020 to extend the deadline to 2030 with rewards for relay nodes to last until 2024. There are no plans for sustainable rewards past 2030, and Algorand's tokenomics is a ticking time bomb. > > **High Inflation** > > Algorand's circulating supply has uneven inflation due to an accelerated vesting schedule. The actual circulating supply inflation was 141% in 2020, an insanely-high 433% in 2021, and 12.7% in 2022 [source](https://messari.io/asset/algorand/chart/sply-circ). The silver lining is that accelerated vesting is now over, so inflation will be [~5% over the period of 2023-2029](https://assets-global.website-files.com/62835f42aef969049eba0806/62cc37d101a3d91afc30efca_December%202020%20Algo%20Dynamics.pdf), assuming the 10B max supply holds. > > ####**Revenue too low to sustain security** > > Algorand only produces [~$100K annually from transaction fees](https://tokenterminal.com/terminal/projects/algorand), which isn't enough to cover the annual salary of single engineer. If they want to support their current 100 relay nodes, they'll likely need 100x the current fees unless everyone is super nice and **working for free**. > > **Relay Nodes** are maintained by a consortium of early investors, VCs, Universities, and other non-profits until 2024. These are being paid for through multiple rounds of massive grants totaling at least 2.5B Algo (worth billions of USD). Algorand is still the covering costs for future decentralized Relay Nodes through its [Community Relay Node Program](https://www.algorand.foundation/news/community-relay-node-program). > > It currently costs [$5-10K/year to run a cost-effective relay node on AWS](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlgorandOfficial/comments/o4on6e/run_a_relay_node_on_aws_cost_estimation/). Algorand's $100K in annual revenue from transaction fees is enough to cover a single relay node with 1 engineer. It's unsustainable. Do they think that relay node providers, each currently paid $5M annually on average, are going to stick around when they're suddenly no longer getting paid? > > **Participation nodes** are responsible for consensus and don't get paid anything. They have moderately-high [hardware requirements](https://developer.algorand.org/docs/run-a-node/setup/install/): 16GB memory, 100GB NVMe SSD, 1 Gbps dedicated Internet. > > They don't get paid any rewards, and I'm skeptical how reliable that can be with their hardware, energy, and personnel costs. ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Algorand) to find submissions for other topics.

Scotchlover411

To quote AC/DC “ …and he’s got the biggest balls of them all!” It should work out well for you!

meatismoydelicious

Fuck I wish some mf in DC would grow some nads and free this man and Assange. Clear signs, both of them, that whoever “they” are, they’re winning. Make no mistake. That is the only reason those men live the way they do-to scare the rest of us into compliance.

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#Algorand Con-Arguments Below is a Algorand con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Smart contracts are not yet trustless** > > EVM blockchain explorers (like EtherScan) allow smart contract creators to publish and verify their smart contract code. This allows users to trustlessly audit them and interact with them in a safe and decentralized way. > > In contrast, Algorand's blockchain explorers do not show verified code. At most, they only show [decompiled code](https://algoexplorer.io/application/971388781), through which you can only guess how the smart contract works. And there's no method to interact with them trustlessly. You have to trust the developer's app. > > ####**Small dApp community** > > Algorand TVL is [currently only $240M](https://defillama.com/chains). Even an L2 rollup like Arbitrum has 4x its TVL, and Ethereum is 340x times larger. > > Algorand only generates [$100k of revenue from transactions fees annually](https://tokenterminal.com/terminal/projects/algorand). That's enough to pay for 1 engineer's salary. > > It also doesn't help that Algorand's smart contract interpreter, AVM is very different than Ethereum's EVM, so there's a barrier to switch from Solidity to PyTeal. > > ####**Algorand CEO Staci Warden has a history of immature tweets** > > * That mysterious [NIKE](https://u.today/algorand-ceo-debunks-nike-partnership-details) tweet which turned out to be nothing > * [Tweeting like a teen with bad grammar](https://twitter.com/StaciW_DC/status/1568607639717957634) about losing USDC on Hodlnaut. And why are they even storing important Foundation funds on a CeFi platform in the first place? > > ####**Low Decentralization** > > Algorand has 2500 participation nodes, but there are several other metrics that tell a different story. > > * **Very few nodes actually participate in consensus**: Over the past 7 days (~150k blocks), only [190 voters participated in consensus](https://metrics.algorand.org/#/decentralization/). Unlike Ethereum, in which EVERY staking validator participates in Casper FFG consensus, Algorand [picks voters based on their stake](https://developer.algorand.org/docs/get-details/algorand_consensus/#the-algorand-consensus-protocol), and only a few are included in their leader and voting committees. > * **Relay Nodes**: Algorand Foundation manages a secret list of relay nodes responsible for forwarding transactions to the participation nodes. It's fine as long as there are a few honest relay nodes not censoring blocks. What's concerning is that the Algorand Foundation [used to publish a number of 100-120 relay nodes](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlgorandOfficial/comments/ku4brb/algorand_relay_nodes_public_data/), but they have since scrubbed all information about the number and identity those relay nodes. > > **Governance is for unimportant decisions on reward distributions, not for protocol updates** > > Algorand often markets that it has governance. But [the elections have only been used to vote on community rewards distribution](https://governance.algorand.foundation/), and they're very minor changes. Governance is also coordinated entirely the Algorand Foundation. > > I have never found any information voting being used for Algorand updates, which suggests that there is no public vote for protocol-level decisions. > > ####**Questionable long-term economic sustainability of its security model** > > **Constantly-changing plans** > > As much as I like Algorand's technology, its tokenomics suck. The more I study Algorand's tokenomics, the more I feel that it's a decade-long rug pull. > > First, the Algorand Foundation keeps changing the rewards system and tokenomics model: > > * They attracted node runners (early relay nodes) with billions of dollars of rewards, set to last until 2024. > * They attracted stakers and participation nodes with rewards to last until 2022. > * They then attracted community participation with Governance rewards starting in late 2021 that is currently scheduled to run out in 2030. > * At one point, there were discussions about re-introducing rewards for community relay nodes after community complaints. > > I compare their documentation with [my previous notes](https://np.reddit.com/r/MPlankton/comments/v16v7v/algorand_research_may_2022_draft/) from mid 2022, and many of the links they originally published have been replaced. Their notorious "Long Term Algo Dynamics" page, referenced as the "[New, Longer Term Algo Dynamics Model](https://www.algorand.foundation/news/new-algo-dynamics-overview)" is now old. It redirects to [a new, new model](https://www.algorand.foundation/tokenomics) which still doesn't fix their tokenomics. They seem to be changing decisions on a whim, chasing after whatever gets the most bad publicity at the time. > > **No Plans after 2030** > > Algorand Foundation's plans for [long-term economic sustainability](https://forum.algorand.org/t/serious-lack-of-transparency-and-engagement-of-algorand-foundation/2385/10) have been put off until 2030. It originally designed for Algo's 10B supply to be distributed over 6 years, with relay nodes being rewarded until 2022. That plan was scrapped and remade in Dec 2020 to extend the deadline to 2030 with rewards for relay nodes to last until 2024. There are no plans for sustainable rewards past 2030, and Algorand's tokenomics is a ticking time bomb. > > **High Inflation** > > Algorand's circulating supply has uneven inflation due to an accelerated vesting schedule. The actual circulating supply inflation was 141% in 2020, an insanely-high 433% in 2021, and 12.7% in 2022 [source](https://messari.io/asset/algorand/chart/sply-circ). The silver lining is that accelerated vesting is now over, so inflation will be [~5% over the period of 2023-2029](https://assets-global.website-files.com/62835f42aef969049eba0806/62cc37d101a3d91afc30efca_December%202020%20Algo%20Dynamics.pdf), assuming the 10B max supply holds. > > ####**Revenue too low to sustain security** > > Algorand only produces [~$100K annually from transaction fees](https://tokenterminal.com/terminal/projects/algorand), which isn't enough to cover the annual salary of single engineer. If they want to support their current 100 relay nodes, they'll likely need 100x the current fees unless everyone is super nice and **working for free**. > > **Relay Nodes** are maintained by a consortium of early investors, VCs, Universities, and other non-profits until 2024. These are being paid for through multiple rounds of massive grants totaling at least 2.5B Algo (worth billions of USD). Algorand is still the covering costs for future decentralized Relay Nodes through its [Community Relay Node Program](https://www.algorand.foundation/news/community-relay-node-program). > > It currently costs [$5-10K/year to run a cost-effective relay node on AWS](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlgorandOfficial/comments/o4on6e/run_a_relay_node_on_aws_cost_estimation/). Algorand's $100K in annual revenue from transaction fees is enough to cover a single relay node with 1 engineer. It's unsustainable. Do they think that relay node providers, each currently paid $5M annually on average, are going to stick around when they're suddenly no longer getting paid? > > **Participation nodes** are responsible for consensus and don't get paid anything. They have moderately-high [hardware requirements](https://developer.algorand.org/docs/run-a-node/setup/install/): 16GB memory, 100GB NVMe SSD, 1 Gbps dedicated Internet. > > They don't get paid any rewards, and I'm skeptical how reliable that can be with their hardware, energy, and personnel costs. ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Algorand) to find submissions for other topics.

ThisusernameThen

Peeps like Cathy Wood and Larry Fink and others...being trusted....will help get the message landing bit by byte. It's also no coincidence that a large number of pro crypto fans are coming via DC. Via policy, once they get it.

ambermage

Stretching from West Virginia to the DC Area to Philly through Boston. Nothing north of Boston yet unless we technically count Niagra, but that's heading back west.

Own_Television_6424

Yes, because you can always DC down. Having a little bit of btc can give you more understanding of what you hold and how it works. Halving is still months away can you could easy double or triple your money.

MinimalGravitas

No, the upgrade keys are controlled by a 9/12 multisig, and only 3 of the 12 signers are members of OffChain Labs (the team that built Arbitrum). Details of this and other security/risk info are available at https://l2beat.com/scaling/projects/arbitrum#permissions. The 12 signers for the security multisig (with Arbitrum founders ***highlighted*** : **Mo Dong** - Co-Founder of Celer Network (0x526C0DA9970E7331d171f86AeD28FAFB5D8A49EF). **Harry Kalodner** - Co-Founder and CTO at ***Offchain Labs*** (0xf8e1492255d9428c2Fc20A98A1DeB1215C8ffEfd) **Diane Dai** - Co-Founder of DODO (0x0E5011001cF9c89b0259BC3B050785067495eBf5) **Caleb Lau** - Software engineer at Etherscan (0x8688515028955734350067695939423222009623) **Ed Felten** - Co-Founder and Chief Scientist at ***Offchain Labs*** (0x6e77068823f9D0fE98F80764c21Ec294e4d96AdB) **Bryan Pellegrino** - Co-Founder and CEO at LayerZero Labs (0x8e6247239CBeB3Eaf9d9a691D01A67e2A9Fea3C5) **Patrick McNab** - Co-founder of Mycelium (0x566a07C3c932aE6AF74d77c29e5c30D8B1853710) **Justin Drake** - Researcher at the Ethereum Foundation (0x5280406912EB8Ec677Df66C326BE48f938DC2e44) **Bartek Kiepuszewski** - Blockchain architect at MakerDAO (0x0275b3D54a5dDbf8205A75984796eFE8b7357Bae) **Rachel Bousfield** - Software engineer at ***Offchain Labs*** (0x5A1FD562271aAC2Dadb51BAAb7760b949D9D81dF) **Patricio Worthalter** - Co-founder of POAP (0xf6B6F07862A02C85628B3A9688beae07fEA9C863) **Yoav Weiss** - Security researcher at the Ethereum Foundation (0x475816ca2a31D601B4e336f5c2418A67978aBf09)

Basic_Hair_9549

That is Gary cock sucking for the Fed reserve and the government. It is his job to leave room for price manipulation aka paper Bitcoin to discredit the validity of Bitcoin in the open markets. Not surprised there. Lots of cock suckers like this in DC. Did you actually think SEC is there yo protected the little guy? I hope not.

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#Algorand Con-Arguments Below is a Algorand con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Smart contracts are not yet trustless** > > EVM blockchain explorers (like EtherScan) allow smart contract creators to publish and verify their smart contract code. This allows users to trustlessly audit them and interact with them in a safe and decentralized way. > > In contrast, Algorand's blockchain explorers do not show verified code. At most, they only show [decompiled code](https://algoexplorer.io/application/971388781), through which you can only guess how the smart contract works. And there's no method to interact with them trustlessly. You have to trust the developer's app. > > ####**Small dApp community** > > Algorand TVL is [currently only $240M](https://defillama.com/chains). Even an L2 rollup like Arbitrum has 4x its TVL, and Ethereum is 340x times larger. > > Algorand only generates [$100k of revenue from transactions fees annually](https://tokenterminal.com/terminal/projects/algorand). That's enough to pay for 1 engineer's salary. > > It also doesn't help that Algorand's smart contract interpreter, AVM is very different than Ethereum's EVM, so there's a barrier to switch from Solidity to PyTeal. > > ####**Algorand CEO Staci Warden has a history of immature tweets** > > * That mysterious [NIKE](https://u.today/algorand-ceo-debunks-nike-partnership-details) tweet which turned out to be nothing > * [Tweeting like a teen with bad grammar](https://twitter.com/StaciW_DC/status/1568607639717957634) about losing USDC on Hodlnaut. And why are they even storing important Foundation funds on a CeFi platform in the first place? > > ####**Low Decentralization** > > Algorand has 2500 participation nodes, but there are several other metrics that tell a different story. > > * **Very few nodes actually participate in consensus**: Over the past 7 days (~150k blocks), only [190 voters participated in consensus](https://metrics.algorand.org/#/decentralization/). Unlike Ethereum, in which EVERY staking validator participates in Casper FFG consensus, Algorand [picks voters based on their stake](https://developer.algorand.org/docs/get-details/algorand_consensus/#the-algorand-consensus-protocol), and only a few are included in their leader and voting committees. > * **Relay Nodes**: Algorand Foundation manages a secret list of relay nodes responsible for forwarding transactions to the participation nodes. It's fine as long as there are a few honest relay nodes not censoring blocks. What's concerning is that the Algorand Foundation [used to publish a number of 100-120 relay nodes](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlgorandOfficial/comments/ku4brb/algorand_relay_nodes_public_data/), but they have since scrubbed all information about the number and identity those relay nodes. > > **Governance is for unimportant decisions on reward distributions, not for protocol updates** > > Algorand often markets that it has governance. But [the elections have only been used to vote on community rewards distribution](https://governance.algorand.foundation/), and they're very minor changes. Governance is also coordinated entirely the Algorand Foundation. > > I have never found any information voting being used for Algorand updates, which suggests that there is no public vote for protocol-level decisions. > > ####**Questionable long-term economic sustainability of its security model** > > **Constantly-changing plans** > > As much as I like Algorand's technology, its tokenomics suck. The more I study Algorand's tokenomics, the more I feel that it's a decade-long rug pull. > > First, the Algorand Foundation keeps changing the rewards system and tokenomics model: > > * They attracted node runners (early relay nodes) with billions of dollars of rewards, set to last until 2024. > * They attracted stakers and participation nodes with rewards to last until 2022. > * They then attracted community participation with Governance rewards starting in late 2021 that is currently scheduled to run out in 2030. > * At one point, there were discussions about re-introducing rewards for community relay nodes after community complaints. > > I compare their documentation with [my previous notes](https://np.reddit.com/r/MPlankton/comments/v16v7v/algorand_research_may_2022_draft/) from mid 2022, and many of the links they originally published have been replaced. Their notorious "Long Term Algo Dynamics" page, referenced as the "[New, Longer Term Algo Dynamics Model](https://www.algorand.foundation/news/new-algo-dynamics-overview)" is now old. It redirects to [a new, new model](https://www.algorand.foundation/tokenomics) which still doesn't fix their tokenomics. They seem to be changing decisions on a whim, chasing after whatever gets the most bad publicity at the time. > > **No Plans after 2030** > > Algorand Foundation's plans for [long-term economic sustainability](https://forum.algorand.org/t/serious-lack-of-transparency-and-engagement-of-algorand-foundation/2385/10) have been put off until 2030. It originally designed for Algo's 10B supply to be distributed over 6 years, with relay nodes being rewarded until 2022. That plan was scrapped and remade in Dec 2020 to extend the deadline to 2030 with rewards for relay nodes to last until 2024. There are no plans for sustainable rewards past 2030, and Algorand's tokenomics is a ticking time bomb. > > **High Inflation** > > Algorand's circulating supply has uneven inflation due to an accelerated vesting schedule. The actual circulating supply inflation was 141% in 2020, an insanely-high 433% in 2021, and 12.7% in 2022 [source](https://messari.io/asset/algorand/chart/sply-circ). The silver lining is that accelerated vesting is now over, so inflation will be [~5% over the period of 2023-2029](https://assets-global.website-files.com/62835f42aef969049eba0806/62cc37d101a3d91afc30efca_December%202020%20Algo%20Dynamics.pdf), assuming the 10B max supply holds. > > ####**Revenue too low to sustain security** > > Algorand only produces [~$100K annually from transaction fees](https://tokenterminal.com/terminal/projects/algorand), which isn't enough to cover the annual salary of single engineer. If they want to support their current 100 relay nodes, they'll likely need 100x the current fees unless everyone is super nice and **working for free**. > > **Relay Nodes** are maintained by a consortium of early investors, VCs, Universities, and other non-profits until 2024. These are being paid for through multiple rounds of massive grants totaling at least 2.5B Algo (worth billions of USD). Algorand is still the covering costs for future decentralized Relay Nodes through its [Community Relay Node Program](https://www.algorand.foundation/news/community-relay-node-program). > > It currently costs [$5-10K/year to run a cost-effective relay node on AWS](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlgorandOfficial/comments/o4on6e/run_a_relay_node_on_aws_cost_estimation/). Algorand's $100K in annual revenue from transaction fees is enough to cover a single relay node with 1 engineer. It's unsustainable. Do they think that relay node providers, each currently paid $5M annually on average, are going to stick around when they're suddenly no longer getting paid? > > **Participation nodes** are responsible for consensus and don't get paid anything. They have moderately-high [hardware requirements](https://developer.algorand.org/docs/run-a-node/setup/install/): 16GB memory, 100GB NVMe SSD, 1 Gbps dedicated Internet. > > They don't get paid any rewards, and I'm skeptical how reliable that can be with their hardware, energy, and personnel costs. ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Algorand) to find submissions for other topics.

I_AM_MORE_BADASS

Anyone had an Osmosis to Keplr transaction fail after reporting successful and had to receive a refund? How long did it take? Transaction in question below: https://www.mintscan.io/osmosis/tx/3F297B7FBD2511377D57A1EB43E581297C6F8877F615394A2C00CBEDC5DC20E4

Adamantinian

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Adamantinian

Nano sent [successfully](https://nanolooker.com/block/0CAF8F385F38C8C8B157DC97F5572FD983ED060054E4E959FB680C74967C7638)! **Learn more about Nano** - Read [this article](https://senatus.substack.com/p/the-basics-of-nano-why-its-such-an) for the basics. - Visit [Nano.community](https://nano.community/introduction/basics) for comprehensive information. **Try a faucet** - [NanoDrop](https://nanodrop.io/) sends some Nano instantly. - [WeNano](https://wenano.net/) has location-based faucets all over the world. **Use Nano** - Queue videos for others to watch or get paid to watch on [CryptoVision](https://cryptovision.live/). - Pay per prompt to access ChatGPT4, DALL·E 3 and more via [Nano-GPT](https://nano-gpt.com/). - Easily develop with Nano using a [Public Node](https://rpc.nano.to) (we're using one right now). **Ask questions** - If you have any further questions, come on over to r/nanocurrency! **Random Nano fact**: There is a [Nano around the globe video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKt9KepQQF4) where community members transfer a single Nano across 11 countries in 6 continents in under a minute.

Adamantinian

Nano sent [successfully](https://nanolooker.com/block/CB05438F520D16606AE1C1C71C303A2FB465BEEA5F80D641FBF7FE61B64DC314)! **Learn more about Nano** - Read [this article](https://senatus.substack.com/p/the-basics-of-nano-why-its-such-an) for the basics. - Visit [Nano.community](https://nano.community/introduction/basics) for comprehensive information. **Try a faucet** - [NanoDrop](https://nanodrop.io/) sends some Nano instantly. - [WeNano](https://wenano.net/) has location-based faucets all over the world. **Use Nano** - Queue videos for others to watch or get paid to watch on [CryptoVision](https://cryptovision.live/). - Pay per prompt to access ChatGPT4, DALL·E 3 and more via [Nano-GPT](https://nano-gpt.com/). - Easily develop with Nano using a [Public Node](https://rpc.nano.to) (we're using one right now). **Ask questions** - If you have any further questions, come on over to r/nanocurrency! **Random Nano fact**: Nano has been flying with the International Space Station on a WeNano spot. People can collect small amounts of Nano when the ISS overflies their location!

sportspadawan13

People yall should really be thanking the courts who sided against the SEC. Which, weirdly enough, was a DC appeals court. Wouldn't expect that but someone did their checks and balances properly.

GreenSog

Annoucment is in 3 and a half hours. 5.30pm washing DC time

Plenty-Stock

yep, they're in DC. its 11:17am there right now. cant imagine they would hold out past 2-3pm

FixedGearJunkie

Assuming they are based in washington, DC like most headquarters of US regulatory agencies. That would be Eastern US time zone.

jD_Moose

5:30 PM Washington DC time is when the SEC usually makes their announcements.

BobMackey87

Fucking hell, I hate this. We're either going to be drinking champagne in Paris, figuratively speaking, or keep eating shit. Time in Washington DC, (if you're in eastern Australia), 1:29 am. FFS

TheAspiringFarmer

That’s basically DC 🤣

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#Algorand Con-Arguments Below is a Algorand con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Smart contracts are not yet trustless** > > EVM blockchain explorers (like EtherScan) allow smart contract creators to publish and verify their smart contract code. This allows users to trustlessly audit them and interact with them in a safe and decentralized way. > > In contrast, Algorand's blockchain explorers do not show verified code. At most, they only show [decompiled code](https://algoexplorer.io/application/971388781), through which you can only guess how the smart contract works. And there's no method to interact with them trustlessly. You have to trust the developer's app. > > ####**Small dApp community** > > Algorand TVL is [currently only $240M](https://defillama.com/chains). Even an L2 rollup like Arbitrum has 4x its TVL, and Ethereum is 340x times larger. > > Algorand only generates [$100k of revenue from transactions fees annually](https://tokenterminal.com/terminal/projects/algorand). That's enough to pay for 1 engineer's salary. > > It also doesn't help that Algorand's smart contract interpreter, AVM is very different than Ethereum's EVM, so there's a barrier to switch from Solidity to PyTeal. > > ####**Algorand CEO Staci Warden has a history of immature tweets** > > * That mysterious [NIKE](https://u.today/algorand-ceo-debunks-nike-partnership-details) tweet which turned out to be nothing > * [Tweeting like a teen with bad grammar](https://twitter.com/StaciW_DC/status/1568607639717957634) about losing USDC on Hodlnaut. And why are they even storing important Foundation funds on a CeFi platform in the first place? > > ####**Low Decentralization** > > Algorand has 2500 participation nodes, but there are several other metrics that tell a different story. > > * **Very few nodes actually participate in consensus**: Over the past 7 days (~150k blocks), only [190 voters participated in consensus](https://metrics.algorand.org/#/decentralization/). Unlike Ethereum, in which EVERY staking validator participates in Casper FFG consensus, Algorand [picks voters based on their stake](https://developer.algorand.org/docs/get-details/algorand_consensus/#the-algorand-consensus-protocol), and only a few are included in their leader and voting committees. > * **Relay Nodes**: Algorand Foundation manages a secret list of relay nodes responsible for forwarding transactions to the participation nodes. It's fine as long as there are a few honest relay nodes not censoring blocks. What's concerning is that the Algorand Foundation [used to publish a number of 100-120 relay nodes](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlgorandOfficial/comments/ku4brb/algorand_relay_nodes_public_data/), but they have since scrubbed all information about the number and identity those relay nodes. > > **Governance is for unimportant decisions on reward distributions, not for protocol updates** > > Algorand often markets that it has governance. But [the elections have only been used to vote on community rewards distribution](https://governance.algorand.foundation/), and they're very minor changes. Governance is also coordinated entirely the Algorand Foundation. > > I have never found any information voting being used for Algorand updates, which suggests that there is no public vote for protocol-level decisions. > > ####**Questionable long-term economic sustainability of its security model** > > **Constantly-changing plans** > > As much as I like Algorand's technology, its tokenomics suck. The more I study Algorand's tokenomics, the more I feel that it's a decade-long rug pull. > > First, the Algorand Foundation keeps changing the rewards system and tokenomics model: > > * They attracted node runners (early relay nodes) with billions of dollars of rewards, set to last until 2024. > * They attracted stakers and participation nodes with rewards to last until 2022. > * They then attracted community participation with Governance rewards starting in late 2021 that is currently scheduled to run out in 2030. > * At one point, there were discussions about re-introducing rewards for community relay nodes after community complaints. > > I compare their documentation with [my previous notes](https://np.reddit.com/r/MPlankton/comments/v16v7v/algorand_research_may_2022_draft/) from mid 2022, and many of the links they originally published have been replaced. Their notorious "Long Term Algo Dynamics" page, referenced as the "[New, Longer Term Algo Dynamics Model](https://www.algorand.foundation/news/new-algo-dynamics-overview)" is now old. It redirects to [a new, new model](https://www.algorand.foundation/tokenomics) which still doesn't fix their tokenomics. They seem to be changing decisions on a whim, chasing after whatever gets the most bad publicity at the time. > > **No Plans after 2030** > > Algorand Foundation's plans for [long-term economic sustainability](https://forum.algorand.org/t/serious-lack-of-transparency-and-engagement-of-algorand-foundation/2385/10) have been put off until 2030. It originally designed for Algo's 10B supply to be distributed over 6 years, with relay nodes being rewarded until 2022. That plan was scrapped and remade in Dec 2020 to extend the deadline to 2030 with rewards for relay nodes to last until 2024. There are no plans for sustainable rewards past 2030, and Algorand's tokenomics is a ticking time bomb. > > **High Inflation** > > Algorand's circulating supply has uneven inflation due to an accelerated vesting schedule. The actual circulating supply inflation was 141% in 2020, an insanely-high 433% in 2021, and 12.7% in 2022 [source](https://messari.io/asset/algorand/chart/sply-circ). The silver lining is that accelerated vesting is now over, so inflation will be [~5% over the period of 2023-2029](https://assets-global.website-files.com/62835f42aef969049eba0806/62cc37d101a3d91afc30efca_December%202020%20Algo%20Dynamics.pdf), assuming the 10B max supply holds. > > ####**Revenue too low to sustain security** > > Algorand only produces [~$100K annually from transaction fees](https://tokenterminal.com/terminal/projects/algorand), which isn't enough to cover the annual salary of single engineer. If they want to support their current 100 relay nodes, they'll likely need 100x the current fees unless everyone is super nice and **working for free**. > > **Relay Nodes** are maintained by a consortium of early investors, VCs, Universities, and other non-profits until 2024. These are being paid for through multiple rounds of massive grants totaling at least 2.5B Algo (worth billions of USD). Algorand is still the covering costs for future decentralized Relay Nodes through its [Community Relay Node Program](https://www.algorand.foundation/news/community-relay-node-program). > > It currently costs [$5-10K/year to run a cost-effective relay node on AWS](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlgorandOfficial/comments/o4on6e/run_a_relay_node_on_aws_cost_estimation/). Algorand's $100K in annual revenue from transaction fees is enough to cover a single relay node with 1 engineer. It's unsustainable. Do they think that relay node providers, each currently paid $5M annually on average, are going to stick around when they're suddenly no longer getting paid? > > **Participation nodes** are responsible for consensus and don't get paid anything. They have moderately-high [hardware requirements](https://developer.algorand.org/docs/run-a-node/setup/install/): 16GB memory, 100GB NVMe SSD, 1 Gbps dedicated Internet. > > They don't get paid any rewards, and I'm skeptical how reliable that can be with their hardware, energy, and personnel costs. ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Algorand) to find submissions for other topics.

BBrillo614

United States. Right outside Washington DC. Witnessing all the fuckery first hand right in my backyard.

bentaxleGB

I know. But, I know that I know. That's the only way to hang on to my sanity. I will not give that up! Not for gold, not for silver, not for $$, not for Washington DC, patriotism, etc Nothing. I wasn't always like this. So what. Humans doing Humans, nothing I can do about it. "No man is an island." BS! Better figure it out, or perish.

Keanu-Trees

Unpopular opinion but I actually think the ETFs may be denied despite Blackrock entering the game simply because everyone is soo bullish and thinks approval is guaranteed. I just don’t think DC and the SEC really give af and they want BTC to ultimately fail or at least prevent Americans from jumping in. They clearly don’t want average people to gain any sort of financial freedom. Hope I’m wrong

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BioRobotTch

He got [ratioed](https://twitter.com/StaciW_DC/status/1732447876578767226) by Staci the Aglorand Foundation CEO on that tweet!

wooly_torch

I’d be interested in checking out that TG and DC!

Magocratix

Just use any REPUTABLE - hopefully open-source - wallet. You can see some wallets [here]([https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet](https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet)). Download them from their source. Then just find a place where you can import private key. A private key is 64 characters in the range 0-9 or A-F like this example: E9873D79C6D87DC0FB6A5778633389F4453213303DA61F20BD67FC233AA33262 - EXAMPLE private key. Done. Ignore all DMs. Basically, the password only works on the original wallet, which you don't know what it is, so just import the private key.

0x07AD

Even if everyone wants to buy 1 BTC, either as a lumpsum or by DC, it is mathematically impossible. Only a maximum of 21 million people in the world could own 1 BTC assuming everyone else held no bitcoins, not even fractional. If you can afford 1 BTC, you can buy it today but next year it might be out of your budget as a lumpsum buy anyway. Set a realistic goal and set milestones to achieve it; the faster you can accumulate, the cheaper the total cost. However, slow and steady can still win the race to the goal over a long time period and at a potentially higher total cost. Maybe you get lucky and buy at the bottom of every bear market potentially shiortening the time to reach you goal if you buy at higher DCA amounts.

elongated_longcat

Mouth breather reddit take. Innovation comes at the cost of people falling through the cracks along the way, regulation stifles innovation. Government oversight is antithetical to the very ethos of Bitcoin and crypto in general. It is unbelievable to me that you people still think the federal government is looking out for your best interest. You are putting your faith in senile boomers who gave SBF reach-arounds whilst giving him an audience of lawmakers in DC. You can’t be this fucking *dumb*.