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Dragonfly GP talks web3’s current and future state at TC Sessions: Crypto

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No, Ethereum is not going to fork. No, stablecoins don't have to pick a side. And no, DeFi would not implode if USDC were to cease operations.

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Ethereum is under attack as U.S. sanctions apply at a protocol level - Ethermine not processing TC transactions

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MPCKT - Token for new GameFi project MetaBoards, launching on Polygon

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Coincenter's TC Analysis

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Question about TC sanctions being observed by DeFi platforms

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Gigi destroys a shitcoiner for claiming Bitcoin maximalists are "siding with the state" for dunking on centralized "defi"

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Apparently everyone (93% of ETH addresses) are only 4 hops away from Tornado Cash

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TRM Labs API is responsible for the centralization of DeFi by banning users who have received funds from TC

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Big News events and crypto price barely budges... Bullish?

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Some analysis of the Tornado Cash sanctions and recent discussion around this topic (IANAL & TINLA)

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Some of the historical transactions on my addresses have been in Tornado Cash. Now I need.... a mixer.

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Someone is using Tornado Cash to send ETH to Doxxed Wallets

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MIT Blockchain and Money course (2018); lecture 6 summary

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Swap TC: Sneak Peek of the Project's Information

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Swap TC | First Token To Create An Insanely Beneficial System For It’s Holders | Day 2: Community Building/Presale Preparation

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Swap TC | $SWAPTC | Never-Before-Seen Tax Functions | Presale Is Imminent

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Russia strangles me

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Advice for getting started as a beginner

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Protect people you know against MLM (Multi Level Marketing) aka Pyramid Schemes like Zeniq

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Market History Explained... Why We Should Prepare for the Bear Market..

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Some DD on Bitcoin - Why We Should Prepare For a Bear Market

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Free mining to send bitcoin!

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₿Itcoin is like Superman

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LNRR: Lightning ⚡️Network Reference Rate. Non-custodial ₿itcoin APY?

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BTC exempt from CGT in the United Kingdom - here's how it could work.

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Are there still profitable PoW coins?

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BTC Retrace to $55k and Future price prediction anaylsis.

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TIFU I made an incredibly noob mistake this morning by deciding to move ALL my crypto out of Luno, onto Celsius via XRP the only problem is I thought I could change out the excess XRP for ₿TC and ΞTH.

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CHZ Rival BITCI

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CEO of AMC Theatres confirms that they will accept E TH, LTC and BCH, along with B TC, by year end 2021

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small miner here, how do you “try” to calculate your profits long term?

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How will we access our ₿TC in a internet apocalypse?

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How I earned massive profit from crypto investment

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Mustard wallet! ŁTC's version of coinjoin!

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TreeToken(TC) just stealth launched 1 mins ago | Low MC | Liq burned + ownership renounced

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Had some movers help my GF and I move her to her new apartment this weekend. When they asked for their tip, I asked them if they would accept it in ₿Itcoin. This is the email exchange we had after they received their ₿TC tips

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Is it a good time to buy ALGO now?

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Tom Brady Paid in Crypto - Morgan Stanley GBTC - TC ICAP Fidelity Standard Charter Bitcoin Exchange

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Tom Brady Paid in Crypto - Morgan Stanley GBTC - TC ICAP Fidelity Standard Charter Bitcoin Exchange

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The Global Largest Interdealer Broker, TC ICAP, Is Introducing Bitcoin and Crypto Trading Platform With Fidelity

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TreeToken(TC) just stealth launched 1 mins ago | Low MC | Liq burned + ownership renounced

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looking for a really simple ₿TC tracking spreadsheet.

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Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System, by Satoshi Nakamoto, 2008 / explained

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Why privacy will be a key point of DeFi, and why SECRET NETWORK is one of the players you should look for

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[X-Post] FINALLY cracked the password to access my Dogecoin wallet

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RD ₿TC on Twitter

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:please use TC now that we have made it a nice honeypot . Thanks , The above 👆 agencies

Mentions:#TC

Where is this data or TC fees coming from? Is this a specific way to get these low fees,?

Mentions:#TC

What does TC stand for? (I googled it and there were too many results.)

Mentions:#TC

A lot of that depends on the state, though. NJ's gun laws are vastly different than Florida's...or Texas, for that matter. TC makes an interesting point, though. I collect sports cards and as far as I know they aren't really "regulated" at all. You pay cap gains tax if you sell one for enough money, but that is the same for anything.

Mentions:#TC

I don't want to debate at all and I never did. That's why I usually end up regretting my reddit posts outside of a few subreddits. All of y'all think everything is a debate all the time. It's exhausting. You're the one that keeps throwing out more arguments, like bringing up TC right now, even though you should know it's a wholly different situation and technology.

Mentions:#TC

I guess they are talking about frozen centralized tokens like usdc? People can still use TC with ETH

Mentions:#TC#ETH

If an exchange goes out of compliance they are going out of business. They are choosing compliance every time, the best we can hope for is a lobbying effort from them to prevent these from becoming compliance issues. CB funding the lawsuits against the TC ban is a good example of this, they have to comply but will use there resources to try making it better

Mentions:#TC

>64% of all ETH staked in the platform's Beacon Chain is controlled by only five entities. Of the big five, Lido leads the way with 31% of all staked ETH, while centralized exchanges Coinbase, Kraken and Binance control a combined total of 30%. True. But they dont control anything. Tornado Cash is indeed the perfect example. Most of the entitites you named blocked any transactions with TC. And TC still works perfectly. Because the solo stakers didnt block them. So even if a party controlls 64% of the network they cant censor any transactions. They haven no control over the minority not to validate the transaction they block. But this whole discussion is moot anyway since this problem is even bigger with Proof of Work since the neccesity to join pools is even greater there and those are just as easy to censor. >LDO tokens -- which grant governance rights -- exhibit a fairly concentrated ownership pattern - the top 9 addresses hold 46% of total voting power, which could pose a centralization risk to Ethereum if Lido establishes a dominant share of staked ETH. For many votes on Lido, only a small minority of wallets actually participate, introducing even further centralization. If Lido ends up holding a majority share in staked ETH then this could allow Lido to take advantage of opportunities like multi-block MEV, carry out profitable block re-orgs, and in the worst case scenario censor certain transactions by enforcing or rewarding validators to operate in accordance with Lido’s wishes (via governance). Indeed having lido tokens gives you governance over Lido. Lido having a 30% stake gives them 0 governance over ETH tho. Since there is no on chain governance of ETH. And like i said above no control over the network. So again a moot point. &#x200B; >There’s also the possibility of a centralized exchange such as Binance or Coinbase capturing a majority share in Ethereum, which could be more straightforward to censor than attempting Lido governance capture. Being the majority censors nothing. Like ive already explained above. >All of this is now a real possibility due to PoS and is the reason why I have sold all my ETH. What’s the point of even entertaining cryptocurrency if it’s governance can be swiftly hijacked just like fiat. All of this was also possible on Proof of Work. Since mining pools are even more centralised and just as possible to force to censor.

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Mentions:#MM#TC#DX

When they say they'll allow users to recover funds, does it mean the blacklisted USDC and USDT in the TC contract?

Mentions:#USDC#USDT#TC

TC doesn't understand what a bear market is, apparently

Mentions:#TC

They need to integrate the chain (and coin/token) independently of IBC if they want a pool to be available, which is what enables swaps to happen. Everything is paired with RUNE in the pools which is what contributes to RUNE's deterministic price. Bifrost is used to observe each chain and stitch it all together, enabling IBC would bypass most of what makes TC work.

Mentions:#RUNE#TC

Not really necessary with ATOM being available. TC is designed around CLP pools and bypassing that by enabling IBC wouldn't add value.

Mentions:#ATOM#TC

Obfuscation and chain peeling. You send your ETH through TC and then withdraw it a few hours/days/weeks later and its now semi clean. Then you take your semi clean money and convert it into XMR or another crypto. Do that a few other times into different chains and BOOM you are golden pony boy.

Mentions:#ETH#TC#XMR

LOL I'd forgotten about TC. Is it good?

Mentions:#TC

TC was targeted not because the government is fascist but due to the way TC obfuscates transaction information.

Mentions:#TC

I should be more clear. TC is step 2 of the money laundering processes (layering) to a tee.

Mentions:#TC

>TC is the very definition of a money laundering service. A privacy tool is not the definition of a money laundering service. There must be an underlying crime for it to be money laundering.

Mentions:#TC

I guess my issue is that they're trying to establish "legitimate" use cases for Tornado Cash via their plaintiffs, but the legitimate use cases described in the complaint are generally "we need TC for wallet hygiene" when that's possible through other means. Like a direct send from a CEX to a new wallet will provide just as much privacy when it comes to your on-chain activity, so the use for TC (especially as it relates to Americans) would only be "better" for the purposes of avoiding KYC-type controls implemented by pretty much all centralized entities handling fiat, digital assets, etc. Just seems weak for Coinbase to fund this lawsuit but hide behind plaintiffs that have alternatives to TC that would achieve the same outcome (on-chain privacy within the context of digital, open ledgers). Not saying there aren't stronger arguments within the lawsuit (namely, the whole code-as-speech thing) but they probably should've found plaintiffs with better "Why I Use Tornado Cash!" stories if they're not going to directly sue OFAC themselves.

Mentions:#TC#CEX

TC does NOT launder your money. It anonimizes it. You would still need to launder it the old fashion way (fake businesses, etc) in order to spend it. You can't claim when you buy your mansion that you just magically happened to receive 10M USD through tornado and that's it. You still need an explanation for your money.

Mentions:#TC

Sue BlackRock too, your cowards. Didn't they block addresses linked to TC?

Mentions:#TC

The actual complaint/lawsuit makes it seem like ENS names are more of a threat to privacy than not having access to Tornado Cash... most of the plaintiffs only need TC because they used a service that is meant to establish a digital identity on-chain.

Mentions:#ENS#TC

This will be interesting to say the least. The thing is, the US Treasury (specifically OFAC) isn't wrong in their general intent, which is national security and the prevention of money laundering. TC is the very definition of a money laundering service. The problem (as I see it) is that crypto is so wild-westish right now that regulations and sanctions are being blanketed. You really need more specificity. I'm hopeful that some middle ground can be reached where privacy can still be maintained, but money laundering prevented. That's really tough to accomplish though.

Mentions:#TC

ETH is POW right now and mining groups in certain jurisdictions are not mining blocks containing TC transactions. So I’d say no, POW inherently rewards centralization of hash power. These large groups will be/are what get targeted by regulators

Mentions:#ETH#TC

No one is untouchable though. Look what happened with TC

Mentions:#TC

TC. Only one that truly worked. And was convenient. And thus got sanctioned. That and some coin mixers but I’ve never heard of dash.

Mentions:#TC

People need to stop using nfts as money. They should mint free ntfs for everyone that has TC-ETH. Something like xmr is a good idea

Mentions:#TC#ETH

If you’re here, you’re still early. BTC has seen extremely low volumes these past months. Just watch what is about to happen ! ₿TC ⬆️

Mentions:#BTC#TC

tldr; Dragonfly General Partner Tom Schmidt will be speaking at TC Sessions: Crypto on November 17 in Miami. We'll ask about which web3 subsectors pique Dragonfly’s interest, and we'll chat about how regulation could affect the industry in different regions across the globe. Dragonfly closed its third venture fund to the tune of $650 million in April. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.*

Mentions:#TC#DYOR

Or moved to TC so they can’t use the funds she pays back.

Mentions:#TC

Could you share a link? Also with TC the regulators have made it clear they don't care what the laws say or don't say; their goal is to use the tools they have to have every upper hand they can. NK + Iran + Russia could collectively adapt BTC and I think what would happen is we'd end up with a white market & a black market with quasi-fungible tokens. Tokens can only be non-fungible if they're indiscriminately indifferent; public blockchains are not. The governments confiscated gold from people while telling them gold was bad mmkay inflation wasn't a problem and governments were the solution. Gold is up against DIX something like 30000% even though nominally it's purchasing power remains proportional. Point is: Self-Custody, Think freely, and DYOR.

Mentions:#TC#BTC#DYOR

Miners and staked validators don't work the same. It only takes 1 miner to include a "illegal" transaction from the mempool to get it thru. Exchanges will be the majority validators for ETH. You think project teams and Eth devs are overreacting?? It's captured. Look how fast the defi protocols all blocked the addresses. That will expand beyond TC over time. The head of the ETH foundation is a WEF member so none of this should be a surprise.

Mentions:#ETH#TC

1. The blacklisting sentence is not retroactive and [doesn't require anyone to censor transactions from people who touch TC](https://tether.to/en/tether-holds-firm-on-decision-not-to-freeze-tornado-cash-addresses-awaits-law-enforcement-instruction). 2. Project teams and commentators overreacted and are still overreacting. It looks like everybody tries to exaggerate the situation to **make up** this drama. I guess that [some are happy to](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2021/05/07/marathon-miners-have-started-censoring-bitcoin-transactions-heres-what-that-means) fud Ethereum while others hope to prompt a relieving reply from the American government. 3. There exists mixers for BTC too. If a censorship were enforced, Bitcoin miners would be asked to comply as well as Ethereum stakers. 4. Over the years, the FBI arrested several times criminals who stole BTC or used it to sell drugs. The court never required miners to freeze addresses. Why would it be different with Ethereum? _feel free to give a link or copy-paste this text (or your better version) in a reply to anyone panicking or fuding on reddit, Twitter or wathever._ [Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/ethfinance/comments/wqu46d/about_the_censorship_fears_triggered_by_the)

Mentions:#TC#BTC

ETH is POW right now and miners are not including TC transactions in mined blocks depending on location. The exact same logic can be and is currently applied to POW

Mentions:#ETH#TC

ETH is POW right now and miners are not including TC transactions in mined blocks depending on location. The exact same logic can be and is currently applied to POW

Mentions:#ETH#TC

to B(TC) or not to B(TC) that is the question

Mentions:#TC

That's not for TC to decide, but one of a hundred regulators around the world. It's clear that, if any one regulator can reach out to a stablecoin and ask them to block transfers on a specific account, it's a very fragile system, far from decentralized.

Mentions:#TC

Funny how the government doesn't care if one diddles dozens of kids on Jeffrey Epstein's island but treats the TC dev as a terrorist since he impacted banks money laundering business.

Mentions:#TC

This was heavily discussed last week and ultimately a nothing burger. There is also absolutely no difference between PoW and PoS in this regard - Ethermine have stopped processing TC transactions.

Mentions:#TC

Will this unfreeze TC-ETH?

Mentions:#TC#ETH

I'm sure they're using TC just to make the americans angry

Mentions:#TC

The front end of tornado cash was sanctioned it didn't stop anyone from accessing the TC contracts directly. You have node operators excluding addresses that interacted with the contracts to comply with financial sanctions. No one can stop you from transacting on XRPL, node operators are not able to alter transaction inclusion or ordering process on XRPL. A transaction is the only way to modify the XRPL and node operators have no control over transaction inclusion or ordering.

Mentions:#TC

Genuine question - what mechanisms might be possible to prevent illegal transactions while preserving privacy? I'm asking because my personal views include both a belief that privacy is valuable and should be respected, and a belief that rule of law within a democratic system is valuable and should be respected. It seems to me that in it's current form the debate is getting polarised between 2 camps - government (positioned against illegal activity and consequently positioned against privacy) and TC (positioned in favour of privacy and consequently positioned in favour of illegal activity). And yes, I'm aware that both sides play up their primary concern and play down the consequential concern, that's how polarised debate happens. So are there any moves in development of the tech that could uncouple these two concerns?

Mentions:#TC

> What the outcome of this will be is anyone's guess but the way Professor Green tapped into an individual's freedom of speech and privacy is monumental in keeping the code accessible for the public as well as just being a thorn in the side of the Treasury Department. hahahahaha hahaha hahaha or shit you actually believe that? No one care in the slightest if the code is accessible. This guy isn't a "thorn" the Treasury Department doesn't give a single fuck about him. Tornado cash isn't super complex or anything the critical part of TC being a viable service is it need enough users and assets inside it to successful co-mingle everything. A clone of TC is worthless without enough assets in it.

Mentions:#TC

This is a simply case of privacy and government overreach and panic when they cannot stop or control something. The TC developers did absolutely nothing wrong.

Mentions:#TC

>fundamentally it was still used as a laundering service Says who? Most analysis has shown that less than 20% of flow through TC was linked to any crime.

Mentions:#TC

Will never know for sure but I know a ton of people including myself that used TC so we can have an undoxxed wallet. There's plenty of valid use cases for a "mixer" even though TC doesn't actually mix anything in reality, and now people who wanted to use it within the law can't. I'd rather use zk-zk rollups on ethereum than Monero but nothing really production ready at this point

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Didn't even post the full story, which is linked in the article you posted 😑 Tldr; Tether hasn't frozen any TC wallets but showed their inconsistencies when they said they mostly comply with requests from US regulstors but also that they don't have comply

Mentions:#TC

> That’s since last week. It wasn’t before, so your argument is ex post and therefore useless for why the programmer built TC. But that’s for a court to decide anyway, I wasn’t even interested in a legal angle, but in discourse. No, money laundering rules have been on the books for years. They basically just clarified the rules to say that yes, in fact, TC is included in the already existing laws. > Making the argument that obfuscation makes you a criminal is like saying encrypted communication is for criminals, because what do you have to hide anyway, huh? There isn’t a law saying that encrypting your communication is illegal. There is a law that says laundering your money is illegal. That’s the difference. > You can easily make the point that obfuscation is more relevant in financial matters, as you paint a target on your back if you don’t. If you choose to use a *public ledger* to move large funds around instead of a private ledger, you are painting a target on your back as a result of your own choices. > That’s not how the core developers see it. Is their opinion worthless? Do the “core” developers want a decentralized organization or a centralized one? If you want the “core” developers opinion to matter, that sure sounds like a centralized organization to me. A decentralized organization sets policy by consensus, which is typically majority. Here we’ve defined majority as those with the most stake. Unless the “core” developers have the most stake it’s not clear why their opinion matters more than anyone else’s. > I recommend listen to the last community call prior to full stopping. It’s called a re-org attack for a reason and hasn’t yet been accounted for in the code, but will in the future, unless the corporations and governments have their way. And since when is forking code unusual in software development? It’s also questionable if the majority has spoken, when they delegated their stake under completely different circumstances and can’t vote by withdrawing their stake currently. Again, this all sounds like centralization with some foundation or “core” developers. Instead of a decentralized organization as they intended. I’m getting super mixed signals on if you want a decentralized blockchain or not.

Mentions:#TC

Good. Though we can all find problems with Tether, this approach is much more in line my (and most of crypto's) ideals. I was disappointed when Circle blacklisted TC addresses and I'm glad Tether is not doing that.

Mentions:#TC

I don’t get what your „full stops“ are supposed to achieve. Are you telegraphing your posts from the wild west? > That’s not how this works. Putting your money into a mixer is laundering your money. Using TC at all makes you a felon in the US. Full stop. That’s since last week. It wasn’t before, so your argument is *ex post* and therefore useless for why the programmer built TC. But that’s for a court to decide anyway, I wasn’t even interested in a legal angle, but about discourse. The majority of funds that ran through TC are actually from Defi. Making the argument that obfuscation makes you a criminal is like saying encrypted communication is for criminals, because what do you have to hide anyway, huh? You can easily make the point that obfuscation is more relevant in financial matters, as you paint a target on your back if you don’t. > This is just ignoring how consensus works. If 51% of the network wants to censor these address then these addresses should be censored. Full stop. That’s not how the core developers see it. Is their opinion worthless? I recommend listen to the last *community call* prior to full stopping. It’s called a re-org *attack* for a reason and hasn’t *yet* been accounted for in the code, but will in the future, unless the corporations and governments have their way. And since when is forking code unusual in software development? It’s also questionable if the majority has spoken, when they delegated their stake under completely different circumstances and can’t vote by withdrawing their stake currently.

Mentions:#TC

> 1. ⁠It is a matter of framing. Only a fraction of the ether going through TC was laundered. Mostly it was used for privacy. That makes sense on a public blockchain. That’s not how this works. Putting your money into a mixer is laundering your money. Using TC *at all* makes you a felon in the US. Full stop. > 2. ⁠If you have a censored Ethereum, you may not have it at all. A censored Ethereum is actually close to impossible. here's a pretty comprehensive article that touches on the subject: https://ercwl.medium.com/the-case-for-social-slashing-59277ff4d9c7 This is just ignoring how consensus works. If 51% of the network wants to censor these address then these addresses *should be censored*. Full stop. This is how rule by majority (or consensus, when consensus is the majority) works. If the majority decides to do a thing, that’s what happens. This is why people are so scared of things like Constitutional Conventions. Because at a Constitutional Convention, anything goes and the majority wins. If you can get 51% to agree that all Hispanic and African American people should be slaves, and women should not have voting rights, and that everyone has to wear high heals, then you can get that into the Constitution at a Constitutional Convention. And that becomes the law of the land. So the deal is, if the majority of the network validators want the network to behave a certain way then the network should behave that way. It may not be the way you want it to behave, but the majority has spoken. Don’t let the minority rule. > 3. ⁠The OFAC-rules are very likely overreaching so far. Code is protected by free speech, so the current ruling can be challanged. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/08/code-speech-and-tornado-cash-mixer Code as free speech is an interesting take. I’ve never seen it expressed that way. This feels like it will be as successful as arguing that since money is speech that anti-money laundering laws violate your 1st amendment rights. Pro tip: that will fail.

Mentions:#TC

Non-Issue Didn't CB publicly state their blocking TC transactions?

Mentions:#TC

Good. As much as I (we) don't like Tether, I prefer their stance over Circle blacklisting all TC addresses

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> 3) The OFAC-rules are very likely overreaching so far. Code is protected by free speech, so the current ruling can be challanged. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/08/code-speech-and-tornado-cash-mixer Freedom of speech only applies to written code, not executed code. It's not illegal to write a computer virus, but it *is* illegal to implement it. The EFF is talking about potential legal issues with regards to *republishing* this code - which the government hasn't actually stopped anyone from doing. People pulled it down due to its relationship with illegal activity, but that was voluntary (as they actually note in that article). Note also that there can be restrictions on sharing code in some cases, though they have to pass strict scrutiny, which is rarely going to be met. It's irrelevant here, though; the issue at hand is that he took part in a money laundering operation. Conspiracy - planning on committing a crime - is a punishable offense. As is setting up and implementing a tool for money laundering, and profiting from said tool. Dude will not benefit from GitHub being able to republish the code, and the US government has taken no action against anyone for merely posting the code. > 1) It is a matter of framing. Only a fraction of the ether going through TC was laundered. Mostly it was used for privacy. That makes sense on a public blockchain. *At least* 23% of the money going through it was related to known illegal activity. That's a substantial portion. And it's probably worse than that, because there's a lot of invisible illegal activity. But it's really irrelevant what percentage of it is used for money laundering. What's relevant is that there was pre-existing knowledge that the tool was going to be used for money-laundering, nothing was done, money was laundered, and the person profited from it. > 2) If you have a censored Ethereum, you may not have it at all. A censored Ethereum is actually close to impossible.Here's a pretty comprehensive article on the subject: https://ercwl.medium.com/the-case-for-social-slashing-59277ff4d9c7 It's not impossible at all. It's pretty trivial. The reality is that there's no meaningful defense against this because the network has to interact with reality, otherwise it is useless, and the US can pretty much cut that off, at least in places that actually matter in real life. The reality is that the criminals in crypto space are freaking out over this because they are criminals and a huge proportion of crypto stuff is actually tied up in illegal activity (estimates from BitWise suggested that 95% or so of all bitcoin transactions are probably fraudulent). Forking Ethereum will just result in the chain that allows illegal activity to be completely cut off from the US (and other developed countries') economic systems, resulting in it having no value. And who wants to be on a network whose primary purpose is facilitating illegal activity? Criminals. That's just the reality of the situation.

Mentions:#TC

This is focusing on the wrong use case for TC. It’s a privacy firewall that allows users to send funds without exposing the contents of their primary wallet to those they’re interacting with. You wouldn’t use a debit card that shows every merchant you interact with your complete financial snapshot, Tornado cash worked as kind of a middleware to facilitate private transfers of the assets supported. > A reasonable person would know he is aiding and abetting criminal activity even if I don’t know how any of my customers got their funds. Tornado cash is the same thing, a reasonable person creating this code would understand that criminals will use it, and if he is getting paid stolen money to use the application then he is an accessory TornadoCash is a decentralized app that’s governed by users. Any changes to the protocol start as a proposal then get voted on to either implement or reject. The TC community was the issue here imo, they didn’t move quickly enough on proposals that could have helped mitigate the issues that ultimately led to sanctions. This is why it’s alarming they’re going after developers - unless there’s more to the story we don’t yet know.

Mentions:#TC

The threshold is 67%. So long as the censoring validators make up less than that, they will lose some of their stake when they fail to attest an otherwise valid block. The censoring must also be done in an identical way as well. For example, the actual OFAC sanction list only contains 40 or so ETH addresses and I doubt there'd be any disagreements there. But what about accounts that have received ETH from a sanctioned account? We know that some users have been withdrawing from TC to various public accounts, but do these get censored too? (if a Coinbase hot wallet was sent some TC ETH, I'm sure they'd want to be excluded from censorship) Since there's too much subjectivity here, a validator that censors too many addresses risks being on the wrong side of consensus and getting slashed as a result. The safer move would be to stick with the 40-odd addresses to censor. This all assumes that there's at least 67% who are willing to censor and continue to censor (i.e. won't unstake), but also there's no net influx of honest validators.

Mentions:#ETH#TC

OP gets right that there is definitely a huge potential risk to this whole TC affair. But then OP clearly is confused as to the actual technical details of how things could go down. For instance, the merge has no bearing on the voluntary validator exit mechanism, it is already working and will keep working the same. Censoring transactions cannot get you slashed, as the consensus rules do not indicate _which_ specific transactions need to be included in a block. I would say that there's basically 2 technically different levels at which to comply with the OFAC sanctions list: 1) You ignore/censor any transaction bearing any of the sanctioned addresses from making it into your mempool. In both POW and POS, this results in the blocks produced by you not including any of those transactions. End of story, you are in compliance, whatever other non-US entities do is not your business, the blockchain keeps moving along as usual. 2) On top of number 1 above, you decide you also need to censor blocks that included transactions dealing with the sanctioned address. In this case, all hell would definitely and immediately break lose. Under POW, you'd be forking off into your own chain (unless you hold the vast majority of hash power, in which case it is effectively your chain and everyone will follow you). Under POS, I can't envision what would exactly happen but it would definitely be catastrophic, it would stop the chain from finalizing and would impact everyone heavily. It's one of the few scenarios that might justify a merge rollback. My take? You already see 1) happening today, and it will stay like that during and after the merge: some validators will censor transactions, some won't, but they will all accept each other's blocks, and life will go on.

Mentions:#OP#TC

TC isn’t just technology though, it’s a specific application of code/technology. It’s not attacking the underlying blockchain tech. I don’t think his argument makes sense to start with

Mentions:#TC

List gets handed to the banks who lost their money laundering business to TC. Then you wait till the banks reduce your credit score and raise all your future borrowing interest rates and terms you as a risky borrower.

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r/BitcoinSee Comment

tornado cash and ethereum are both perfect examples of what scams are so anyone promoting them in any way is promoting scams, which is a crime anywhere scamming is illegal and completely unethical regardless both mislead users on their real trust assumptions, like trusted setup tc was called trustless, and centralized premined eth known for trivial central censorship and confiscations was called decentralized by devs themselves, making both projects fraud and indistinguishable from malware. TC scammers: [https://i.imgur.com/PhNrwUX.png](https://i.imgur.com/PhNrwUX.png) and [https://i.imgur.com/dKFv1iH.png](https://i.imgur.com/dKFv1iH.png) premine scammers: [https://imgur.com/a/JM66BEO?nc=1](https://imgur.com/a/JM66BEO?nc=1) those projects have 0 relevance to decentralized tech, to permissionless tech, to private trust minimized tech, or to tech in general, they exist exclusively to trick people into thinking they are safe in ways they are not so people in control can profit of it. stop pretending this is in any way relevant, and I will help any manhunts, any litigation, anything against any of these life long scammers in any way possible, and so will anyone capable of any thought or empathy

Mentions:#TC

I suspect there will be charges thrown at him from law enforcement entrapping him in a DM/email/convo where they hint at they are using TC to launder stolen funds or funds from an illicit source and he responds with telling them how to use the service. Some low level "gotcha" type setup and bullshit.

Mentions:#TC

Like I said, the SC doesn't have any blacklists so you can't put any in and even if you did someone will fork and remove the blacklist. KYC is not a thing in defi, that's the entire point. Anyone can use it, even people we don't like. There is absolutely a point to be made for privacy, it's not just laundering money. Don't even think about bringing the old "if you got nothing to hide" 5th grader argument to the table... That's not to say bad things don't happen, but look at the distribution of cash going through TC, it's not just laundering or bad things even tho you can't deny it's a big part of it. But it's completely valid to want to have privacy for things such as: sensitive purchases (e.g. I don't want everyone to know I bought body pillows of elon musk at kawaielon.eth), donations to political parties in a not very democratic friendly country, I could go on for a while. Vitalik also used it to donate to Ukraine. It can definitely be used to fund bad shit or to launder money, so I'm definitely not against flagging someone receiving or sending a lot over TC or privacy protocols just like cash and doing an audit on them or other things that might reduce crime like that. Problem with KYC is; how do you determine who is and who isn't doing illegal stuff and should the illegal stuff be illegal? In Russia it might be illegal to donate to a political party or at least you'll not have a great time of you do. The blockchain isn't there to facilitate illegal transactions, it's unbiased and the only way to have an international currency. You can't burn crypto to the ground, you can only prevent CEXs in the country. You can easily buy stuff for cash P2P without anyone being able to do anything about it. You can influence nodes run by centralized parties but hopefully people will understand that we need better decentralization there. Ofc the price will be heavily impacted from a crackdown by the west.

Mentions:#SC#TC

I talking about the difference between the way a privacy coin like monero works Vs a 3rd party mixing tool like TC worked .

Mentions:#TC

They can and they will, the TC event will hopefully give birth to more robust privacy alternatives

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r/BitcoinSee Comment

I think that the person who sent funds to all those 'celebrities' should also send funds to all the contract addresses used by these protocols that are banning people who have used TC including all of the most used LPs

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The US government can surely figure out who is running just about anything. They have backdoors in virtually all US software companies. They have secret courts which can demand information from US companies on literally anyone. The idea that the dev tax somehow exposed this TC dev as if he'd otherwise fly under the radar is whimsical. The US government knows who created Monero and if they want they can probably identify anyone contributing to the Github. It's a matter of initiative.

Mentions:#TC

Simple surface explanation, flexpool and f2pool? I think is the second one, are 2 pools exploiting the “uncle maker” exploit to steal rewards from other blocks. And now ethermine is censoring transactions from TC.

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Interesting info that I haven't seen anywhere else. If you or anyone has a link to where people are discussing this failure of TC to block on the front end, that would be handy.

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Being identifiable while taking a dev tax from every single input, thus defeating the point of mixing the inputs in the first place. The only TC outputs that could be proven knowingly profited from money laundering were probably his outputs.

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This is on the TC community imo, proposals were pipelined to mitigate exploit funds from participating in the system and if they’d done *anything* at all to address the issue, they likely wouldn’t have been shut down. All they needed to do was put a banner at the top of the page saying they’d freeze exploit funds (even if that’s technically impossible) to create a perception of justice.

Mentions:#TC

No it (the foundation) can’t. TC is not coming back at this point. The best that can happen is a pro-crypto PAC combining resources from multiple US based/or interested crypto institutions (Exchanges, related companies, chain dev foundations, big names). This isn’t just an ETH problem, miners aren’t mining any blocks containing TC transactions. That could happen to almost any chain, political pressure needs to be matched with political pressure or this will only continue to happen

Mentions:#TC#PAC#ETH

If Lazarus is the big issue than shouldn't government be more concerned about improving security protocols rather than 'shutting doors'? Honestly, TC was neither the first nor the last mixer

Mentions:#TC

1. The blacklisting sentence is not retroactive and doesn't require anyone to refuse transactions from people who touched TC. 2. Project teams and commentators overreacted and are still overreacting. It looks like everybody tries to exaggerate the situation to **make up** this drama. I guess that some are happy to FUD Ethereum while others hope to prompt a relieving reply from the American government. 3. There exists mixers for BTC too. If a censorship were enforced, Bitcoin miners would be asked to comply as well as Ethereum stakers. _Edit:_ last year, after an OFAC blacklisting of Bitcoin adresses, [some Bitcoin miners overreacted too and started to censor transactions](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2021/05/07/marathon-miners-have-started-censoring-bitcoin-transactions-heres-what-that-means). 4. Over the years, the FBI arrested several times criminals who stole BTC or used it to sell drugs. The court never required miners to freeze addresses. Why would it be different with Ethereum? _feel free to give a link or copy-paste this text (or your better version) in a reply to anyone panicking or fuding on reddit, Twitter or wathever._

Mentions:#TC#FUD#BTC

The blacklisting sentence is not retroactive and doesn't require anyone to refuse transactions from people who touched TC. Project teams and commentators overreacted and are still overreacting. It looks like everybody tries to exaggerate the situation to **make up** this drama. I guess that some are happy to FUD Ethereum while others hope to prompt a relieving reply from the American government. There exists mixers for BTC too. If a censorship were enforced, Bitcoin miners would be asked to comply as well as Ethereum stakers. _Edit:_ last year, after an OFAC blacklisting of Bitcoin adresses, [some Bitcoin miners overreacted too and started to censor transactions](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2021/05/07/marathon-miners-have-started-censoring-bitcoin-transactions-heres-what-that-means). Over the years, the FBI arrested several times criminals who stole BTC or used it to sell drugs. The court never required miners to freeze addresses. Why would it be different with Ethereum? TL,DR: RELAX. _feel free to give a link or copy-paste this text (or your better version) in a reply to anyone panicking or fuding on reddit, Twitter or wathever._

Mentions:#TC#FUD#BTC

Remember how Iraq had WMDs? It's the same thing now with North Korea and hackers. Government doesn't like that banks are losing their money laundering business. A lot of politicians already use these services that are now being impacted by TC.

Mentions:#TC

1. The blacklisting sentence is not retroactive and doesn't require anyone to refuse transactions from people who touched TC. 2. Project teams and commentators overreacted and are still overreacting. It looks like everybody tries to exaggerate the situation to **make up** this drama. I guess that some are happy to FUD Ethereum while others hope to prompt a relieving reply from the American government. 3. There exists mixers for BTC too. If a censorship were enforced, Bitcoin miners would be asked to comply as well as Ethereum stakers. _Edit:_ last year, after an OFAC blacklisting of Bitcoin adresses, [some Bitcoin miners overreacted too and started to censor transactions](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2021/05/07/marathon-miners-have-started-censoring-bitcoin-transactions-heres-what-that-means). 4. Over the years, the FBI arrested several times criminals who stole BTC or used it to sell drugs. The court never required miners to freeze addresses. Why would it be different with Ethereum? TL,DR: RELAX. _feel free to give a link or copy-paste this text (or your better version) in a reply to anyone panicking or fuding on reddit, Twitter or wathever._

Mentions:#TC#FUD#BTC

While I get why TC has been targeted, I think they should just focus on supporting cyber security in crypto space/ consumer protection. And actually targeting the hackers themselves.

Mentions:#TC

But how do you get rid of the trace? I send you money. I can see where you sent that money. The person getting that money from you can see how much you got from me and where you send the rest. Is there something I'm missing with how the blockchain fundamentally works? How do you avoid these traces without using stuff like TC and while it being decentralised?

Mentions:#TC

For decentralization to actually happen at scale it needs to be *compelling* - it can't be done through idealism and charity alone. And if it is compelling then it cannot be stopped from happening. *Is* it compelling though? The TC sanction is a first serious hint that maybe it is but we'll see.

Mentions:#TC

..or let me be free with my ether dream, they tried to shut me down on the old TC, but we don't feel empty we got V.

Mentions:#TC

What's more ironic is those who had put their funds through TC now have no other option but to put them through another mixer.

Mentions:#TC

I doubt this particular move will lead directly to sanctioning Monero, because I think that Tornado Cash dev made some significant mistakes. I could be wrong. (This does not mean I am praising the govt for banning TC however. I just seek to understand what they are doing and why they chose to put TC on the chopping block next.)

Mentions:#TC

I hate to have to always be the only one pointing this out -- I really do -- but if the factoid in the news is true that Pertsev was receiving a dev tax from every input into Tornado Cash, then I think this is what placed him in a legally vulnerable position, not just providing an open source tool to others. If Pertsev received a tax from every input, then that would make his receiving address *the only Tornado Cash address that could be conclusively proven to have received the proceeds of a crime*, that crime being money laundering. This might be made Pertsev the *most* vulnerable user of TC rather than the least. In short, he didn't just develop the tool, he used it, and he was the most identifiable user who could be proven to have received stolen funds. The fact that he facilitated this by being the developer just proves that he did it with full knowledge. The takeaway from this should be that if you are a privacy tool developer, like for a mixer, 1. stay anonymous, and 2. absolutely do not take a portion of every input for yourself, because some of those inputs are going to be sanctionable.

Mentions:#TC

> Tornado cash is the equivalent of my friends and I all throwing our cash into a pile, and then grabbing handfuls to buy our groceries. Why would we do that if the money is legit?! You’re focusing on the wrong use case. Would you use a debit card that shared the entire financial snapshot of your account with every merchant/person you transact with? Probably not. This was TCs primary use case: a privacy firewall for transactions that sit on a public ledger. Had the TC community acted more quickly to vote on/implement proposals blacklisting exploit funds from entering/exiting their protocol, they likely would have avoided the issues they’re facing currently but that becomes a philosophically challenging sell if decentralization is important the user base.

Mentions:#TC

But what about the countless other people that didn’t use TC to launder money? Or the people that got sent 0.1 Eth for a TC address?

Mentions:#TC

Yes, the problem is the TC devs didn’t even bothered to block on the frontend/website (t