VC

slasherzx

Too many VC funded projects. I'm happy they went to AI now. It's great that Ergo is still building and it's bridge is connected to a lot of chains (BnB, BTC, doge, Ada, Eth, btc runes, and Firo) and will connect to more. (Monero).

SirBrickALott

a crypto that takes no accountability for selling to insiders and rugging its community...and then tries to frame FTX as if the logic of blaming an outside entity for your own corruption....that's not a good crypto to begin with. If Ethereum allowed FTX to manipulate it using perp futures, then ETH would be a failed coin. But that only happens with ICP because ICP is a VC scam.

SirBrickALott

TimelyFig, you are absolutely pathetic shilling a scam to crypto traders on r/CryptoCurrency to no avail on behlaf of VCs. And I use to be a mod on r/ICPTrader as SwingNMisses but the fact you continue to defend this shitcoin VC freefall...and continue to shill it makes you a willing participant of this scam. Shame on you. ICP is a scam. Give it a rest, nobody will buy more of this failed shitcoin.

pernilla1zf

It's true, shitty centralized VC coins seem to have had the most staying power in the top 20.

AD1AD

I at least half agree with your sentiment that upgrades mean nothing unless they unlock or improve usage. Valuable upgrades certainly are a *prerequisite* for that usage becoming real, though. The fact that, because of these upgrades, BCH now supports extremely scalable DeFi, zero-knowledge privacy, and post-quantum cryptography is bullish for the ecosystem, even before the features get built into apps. But sure, it only matters in the long run if those features get built and they attract users/volume. I disagree with your claim that you could do this for any chain. Which other chains in the top 50 are shipping high-value upgrades every year? How many of them are hard-coding specific functions into the protocol, instead of building general tools that allow for innovation to occur at the app layer? How many of them actually have decentralized governance, not a VC backed committee that speeds things up in the short term but opens them up to capture in the long term?

JustStopppingBye

Pyth is a VC scam that constantly goes down, NASDAQ will soon learn this. Anyways, Nasdaq is providing Pyth with the Nasdaq Basic market-data feed. It is not the same thing as Nasdaq adopting Pyths oracle technology to generate its own prices.

jawni

I don't think you ever understood crypto in the first place if you're seeing genuine large scale tradfi integration and thinking it's bad just because it's linked to Mastercard and a fintech app linked to a VC you don't like. A large part of the value proposition of crypto is that it is globally accessible and permissionless, that means a lot of people are going to use it for things you might think are dumb, but ultimately if people find uses for it, especially disruptive and legitimate use cases, that should be a good thing if you're bullish on crypto.

djscoox

To be honest, the whole "privacy narrative" is exaggerated in general, in fact I don't think there is a privacy narrative going on at all but people are just reverse-engineering a story from the price move to confirm their bias and keep price pumping. It's like saying "we saw something in the sky, we don't know what it is but we are just going to assume it was UFO because that's what we wish it was." With Zcash it's the same: everyone wants to believe the rally is driven by utility and grassroots mass adoption, but all I see is Winklevoss VC wank. Zcash has 2x'ed in a very short period of time, and yet it's not like people are scrambling to protect their privacy. In fact, everyone is still on Whatsapp instead of SimpleX and using fiat to pay for goods and services. If you genuinely worry about privacy right now, you are a nerd or a criminal; trading ZEC or XMR on a centralized exchange does not make you either. Shielded usage hasn't even remotely kept pace with price. If mass privacy adoption was real, I very much doubt ZEC would still be traded on centralized exchanges. Therefore, it looks like the ongoing ZEC rally is primarily speculatively, and that's perfectly fine. You can still make huge gains from ZEC, but let us stop pretending there is widespread desire for financial privacy driving price.

Impressive-Fig-9532

Not biased at all... /s "If you want me to be completely and totally honest here, about what I actually believe, I think that after just doing a quick Google search, it seems as though some high net worth individuals and hedge fund managers got together and decided they were going to buy Zcash and disclose their holdings, and then that got the other market participants which were mostly retail to join in on the fun, figuratively speaking." right.... What exactly do you think bitcoin is? First few years of bitcoin it went no where. Then Winklevoss, Silbert, Naval, the usual VC suspects got involved in 2012-2013.... Then the corrupt El Salvador government, Blackrock, Michael Saylor the biggest dotcom scammer billionaire creating a ponzi like financial instrument to pump billions into it to bring it to 100K You think all these coins out there, ETH, BTC, SOL, BNC, etc are where they are because of the "community" and not being pumped billions by institutions?

fan_of_hakiksexydays

There's definitely some good reasons for ZEC to pump, but you guys should definitely look at the reasons why ZEC is pumping before jumping in. It's not so much that the news is about anything that exceptional, despite bagholders now trying to call it the "invisible Bitcoin" lol. It's a lot of your typical alt coin news and "partnerships", governance voting, someone famous mentioning ZEC, VC and funds who put money into it, etc...except that it all came out at once. One of the main tech reasons is that the network upgrade should now fix the major security issues, and reduce the block time. So it's not so much that it's doing something exceptional or groundbreaking, it's just that it won't be as shitty. But ultimately the big reason is the ETF. Even in 2026 crypto ETFs are still a big deal. An alt coin getting an ETF is still gonna create a major pump. Whether the pump can sustain is another story. We've seen what happened to ETH, SOL, XRP, ADA, BNB, LINK, etc...

Impressive-Fig-9532

No bro.. this sub bashed solana back in 2021 when it was FIRST released and was well known it was VC backed. Bashed it from 1.00 to 10.00...

Foreign-Put1361

I agree. However, I do think there are a lot of companies that use the word “AI” in attempt to create value for shareholders. It’s a buzzword that is just a large language model that the user of the product can reference when they have a question. In that case, there is no revenue. People aren’t buying an iPhone because of an AI Siri feature. So I agree with both POV’s, with the large companies it’s “rob Peter, to pay Paul” there is no new money other than through the IPOs where retail investors are exit liquidity. For me, I’m not accumulating any S&P companies right now and won’t until we’re below the 200 day SMA and we can see where real revenue will come from. I think the fundamental issue is, the true cost for AI has funding from the top but won’t have a positive cash flow. It’s a castle where the foundation is debt. Once it start to flush out, who knows how low we could go. But you can’t compare value - VC, country, and bank backing of AI to the MC NFTs

JarJardid9-11

VC's wood will be iron as they dump on you lol

JarJardid9-11

Translation: "I don't actually know how cryptographic quorums work and I have no technical counter-argument." Enjoy your VC server racks. We'll be over here trusting the math. 🟣🏴‍☠️

absinthiumxmr

VC mining doesn't exist on Monero. Look up how its mining algo works. Its not even profitable. Most people do it because they love it and want to support the network, not because it actually makes them money.

JarJardid9-11

When my node comes back online, it doesn't 'ask people' what happened. It verifies the cryptographic signatures of the decentralized Masternode quorums. It's binary. I don't trust people, I trust math. PoW maxis are fine relying on math to protect their private keys, but suddenly think they need to burn a forest down to reach consensus. 'Trusting physics' just means trusting whichever corporate mining farm can afford the highest electricity bill. You trust a VC-funded cartel. I trust cryptography.

JarJardid9-11

You don't need to burn a rainforest to prove a ZK-SNARK is true. The math handles it. Stop paying the VC mining cartel tax.

JustStopppingBye

Its only down 99% lol These mickey mouse projects are basically a VC gamble dressed up as investments. If the project fails, there often isn't much standing between you and a total loss. The days of getting lucky with a L1 project are over imo.

JarJardid9-11

u/LukeTheHolder burning energy isn't a feature, it's a barrier to entry. "No workaround" just means "you need a $10M warehouse to participate." Handing network consensus to three massive VC-funded mining pools isn't decentralized, it's a cartel. Decentralization means anyone with a Raspberry Pi can secure the network, not just warehouse owners burning $100M in electricity.

JarJardid9-11

Nailed it. The tech is good but the founders tax always left a bad taste. Wrapping ZK-SNARKS in a corporate VC structure just kills the whole point of decentralized privacy. It's crazy because you look at older grassroots projects like PIVX that just took the same privacy protocol, made it proof of stake, and run off a DAO treasury with literally zero VC bags waiting to dump. ZEC is basically just silicon valley trying to larp as cypherpunks.

Satoshiman256

VC's pumping it to dump on the plebs

ElRiesgoSiempre_Vive

Dude all of Silicon Valley VC is a scam. They invest in companies early only to dump their bags on investors at IPO.

Emergency-Giraffe179

the sheer amount of cope in this post could power a small nation every cycle its the same story just different names. in 2029 someone will be posting about how cardano was a VC scheme all along and the real play was dogecoin

NilNow

its especially weird for it to be doing it before BTC is back in price discovery. it seems to be largely due to institutional moves by DCG, grayscale, winklevoss twins, etc that can have have a big impact with its relatively low market cap, along with every VC, influencer and shiller out there pushing it. my guess is eventually they run out of steam and capital, so we'll see if retail really picks it up or not. but if that does happen then in theory, even the $20B market cap its at now could have a LONG way to go.

GhostOfMandarina

VC bags ran out, so now it’s straight to the ultimate retail acquisition model

The_Realist02

Le pump comes before le dump. Be careful out there. Heavy pre public printing and VC start.

realthigh

I wonder where the billions of dollars pumping VC trash and memecoin scams came from...

coffee_is_fun

The industry degenerated into Mazoni's Artist's Shit and Cattelan's Comedian. The industry part of it wasn't about fixing finance. Let's replay a bit of the last few cycles. 2017 was selling the idea that rich people are rich because accredited investors already have money, can buy into IPOs and rip off the general public by flipping to them in subsequent rounds. ICOs being for unaccredited investors. That narrative got people betting on napkin math, whitepapers and founder narratives. Everyone's a VC. 2021 was yield farming. Far more complicated. So it degenerated into NFTs and animal coins. Some legit looking projects too, but Binance ran away with those and made walled garden, LARP versions to siphon financial support to the knockoffs and kept a lot of interesting projects on the ground. The NFTs were interesting but they quickly crossed from a way to use virtualized scarcity to solve for duplication issues in digitizing tradfi and economics to art jokes. 2025 calcified crypto as a shitcoin casino. We were back to www wild west types of degeneracy with people hard scamming, selling themselves in borderline criminal (sometimes criminal) ways. It was just BTC and a few platforms that made it easy for anyone to mint a meme coin. Unrelated to the Solana hell, we saw Polymarket rise as a killer app. 2025 made fighting for crypto's reputation impossible. So did 2021 with the animal coins and things like BAND vs LINK, PancakeSwap vs Uniswap, Venus Protocol vs AAVE. People forget, but 2021-2022 was when it went off the rails. There were legitimate looking projects rising from the ashes of 2017-2018. But the collective we went with spring breaker tier champagne popping at the knockoffs, NFTs and the meme coins. Crypto is not going to loudly revolutionize anything at this point. It is a tool to be worked with if its the right solution to emergent problems. We have digital gold, peer to peer gambling, turing complete ledgers, oracles to connect chains and offchains, etc. I'll point at individual technologies when they make sense to include in a solution. I'll hope the infrastructure and expertise are there to pick up the pieces if a finance catastrophe plays out. But I can't evangelize it without acknowledging a lot of bullshit in the past decade.

ultimatepoker

Go to a specialist equity / VC placement house and sell it off-market.

goochgoblins

ZEC has essentially zero real world usage. It's all VC pump and dump speculation.

JarJardid9-11

Exactly this. ZEC is the corporate privacy coin. If you want the tech without the VC manipulation, look at PIVX. Same zero-knowledge math, but 100% Proof of Stake, no ICO, and funded by a decentralized DAO. Privacy should be grassroots, not an Israeli VC exit liquidity event.

Flashy-Potatoe-Queen

Something has either a fixed supply or it is deflationary..  It can't be both...  Also, the only successful coin today has a fixed supply. It's called Bitcoin.  Everything else is a bunch of scamming VC cryptocompanies and in some rare cases ; an attempt at innovation (like XMR and KAS). If gold is a failure, fiat currencies are a cancer. People mostly don't invest to make money, it's protect themselves from getting slowly rugpulled by their local central banks. You need to take a lesson in economics before giving advice... 

ambimorph

Right, all those "heavy losses" from when the entire supply was < 600 coins? You're suggesting a combined VC commitment of less than a couple million dollars put them all in the red for ten years and made them "desperate to pump"?

Lemon-Tuna

next shit coin pump via VC pump gang?

slasherzx

Go with ergo. Lots of potential for a coin with smart contract, pow, self made bridge connected to other chains, and no VC.

cosmicselva

Look at the top ten and how many are VC within

nunyabizzy101

That entirely depends on whether people will continue to fall for the VC shilling.

Such-Secret3290

I always felt Zcash got little bit too much love from the VC crowd which for privacy project is pretty ironic. The trusted setup thing from early days still bother me even if they say its fixed now, hard to shake that feeling Monero is more my speed too but I get why people chase the ZEC gains, the chart look nice if you ignore everything else

-TrustyDwarf-

They complement each other well since they're built on completely different tech.. don't care about the Israeli VC coin BS.. each has their pros and cons.

-TrustyDwarf-

VC pump, definitely not usage. As a Monero user, I'm happy for you lucky Zcash hodlers.. congrats :p let's see where it goes..

nunyabizzy101

Israeli VC coin. The VCs bought wayyy too high look at the price chart when it was crazy high when it first launched. VC's probably been in the red all this time so they're desperate to orchestrate a pump to try and finally claw back from those heavy losses.

realthigh

Kinda seems like a typical VC pump to me with who's backing it and running it up. Will probably do well this cycle, but I don't trust it won't be sold off massively at some point. XMR seems like a much more honest decentralized privacy coin, imo.

MockMeNot21

Same, i have been in crypto since 2019, year 2020-2021, i made a fortune, all wins, winstreaks, then here comes the exciting part, VC’s KOL’s promoting this coin and as a confident guy, i put half of my net worth, then the adrenaline rushed, 5 minutes later, the liquidity vanished, then i was like “woah, wait what?” What? , i keep repeating it till i realized i am rugged af, like bro, my heart is racing and like im going to explode that time. That’s the first time i felt regret, i feel weak when that happened, luckily i still have the have of my profits, never returning to thise coins again, NEVER!

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MarioWilson122

Yeah, and that’s probably the biggest issue now. The problem isn’t that genuinely decentralized projects disappeared, it’s that they’re buried under so much VC-backed and heavily controlled stuff that the average person has to dig way harder to find them. A lot of projects still use the language of decentralization because it sounds good, while the actual structure is nowhere close to it. Once you start looking at things like token distribution, admin keys, insider allocations, governance control, and who can actually change the protocol, a lot of the “decentralized” branding falls apart pretty quickly. That makes the market harder to navigate because newcomers can easily assume that being on a blockchain automatically means something is decentralized. It doesn’t. The strongest projects are usually the ones where decentralization is built into the structure itself, not just used as a marketing label.

90Skill10Luck

100%. People traded bank CEOs for VC foundations with admin keys and think they’re fighting the system. The irony is wild. ​True decentralization, fair launches, and actual PoW are still out there, but you have to wade through an ocean of corporate junk to find them. That’s exactly why I felt compelled to lay this breakdown out—most newcomers don't even realize how far off course the market drifted.

Ninjanoel

Consensus? VC funds have started making inroads to 'capture' bitcoin devs, when someone is buying you a lambo you tend to hear out their point of view, I don't know what "consensus" has to do with any of that. Are you conflating how blockchains reach consensus on-chain with how people reach consensus about governance decisions? Sounds like you are, please explain.

ihatearguingonline

As long as there is no premine and no VC allocations, what makes the zKAS distribution different from KAS distribution? Not disputing that zKAS might be a shitcoin (I don't know anything about it). But criticizing it for having the same kind of launch as KAS is kind of whack... How else could they do it better?

Flashy-Potatoe-Queen

Wait a minute... You're a guy who's balls deep into SUI and you talk about a sinking ship? Kaspa is up 15 000% from launch. SUI is absolutely rotten with VC marketing and down 62% from launch. Who are you trying to impress?

opensandshuts

I appreciate your willingness to discuss it civilly and know you did not name call anyone. Everyone knows the "value" accrual hasn't been there. My issue with detractors is that they act like they've been rugged, when LINK publicly announced the schedule for selling supply to fund the project. It's no different from AMZN being founded in 1994, going public in 1997, and not becoming profitable until 2003, nearly 10 years after being founded. Are investors mad at AMZN? Any AI search can tell folks that, but it's easier to parrot a "rug pull" narrative. How else are they going to pay a staff of engineers, business leaders, etc. to work on this project for 10+ years? Would folks rather they accept a ton of VC money like Solana and others? IMO, the fact that they are selling the token to fund the growth of the project is compelling. **The 2017 ICO:** Chainlink officially raised $32 million in September 2017 **by selling LINK tokens directly to both retail and institutional participants.** Historical Supply Dynamics & Releases (easily researched): * **Initial Allocation (2017):** The initial 1 billion LINK supply was divided into a 35% token sale (private and public), 35% for node operators/ecosystem incentives, and 30% for the parent company/reserve. * **Economics 2.0 Shift (2022):** The Foundation pledged transparent periodic movements of non-circulating supply (such as capping early targeted releases to 50 million LINK) to support initiatives like staking. * **Quarterly Unlocks:** On-chain analytics routinely track predictable multi-million LINK movements from non-circulating Foundation/Team addresses (often releasing 10M to 20M tokens quarterly) into operational or exchange-labeled wallets. * **Current Circulating Supply:** Out of the 1 billion hard cap, approximately 748 million LINK (\~75%) are in active circulation, while the remaining balance resides across designated non-circulating or staking contract vaults

crookedVessel

Check supply and unlock schedule before anything else. Team and VC allocations dumping on you is the most common way people lose money, and it's public information

Many-Kaleidoscope109

Recognize this. SUI should rise in coming years with the VC backing though.

Shot_Ad2037

I’ve seen several people ask this dumb question: “wHo uSeS LiTeCoIN”? You are on the internet typing this. Use the internet and do some research on the question you’re asking. CoinGate, BitPay, and others have long had Litecoin as a top 3 payments coin along with BTC and usually a stable coin. You guys need to remove your head from the sand and actually look it up. Litecoins network usage dwarfs Zcash yet nobody would ever know because VC’s have done an incredible job marketing that absolute nonsense.

Blade_Runner_69

Unfortunately 95% of those are VC funded centralised trash. There are far too many tokens too. Oversaturated.

Serenaded

You read the situation correctly imo. Few projects in crypto can ever do 10x in a year and then keep going. They almost always crab at the top and then dump. Kaspa is a good one in recent memory that did exactly this. Whatever people say about ZEC, the fact is that XMR is the undisputed king of darkfi and it's going to be hard to get people to swap since people have relied on XMR for 12 years now. ZEC just has all the hallmarks of a VC pump and dump.

zeroboundss

The tech part is accurate to the T. There are several cases of criminals caught by tracking monero, which proves it's traceable for LE. There is also a video of Chainalysis pitching Monero tracking to the IRS, which proves Chainalysis monetizes Monero's flaws. Magic Grants, the official funder of many Monero dev efforts, is controlled by a Monero tracing entrepreneur too. Chainalysis and Palantir have the same parent company In-Q-Tel, CIA's VC arm. Calling it conspiratorial is, at best, a tactic to gaslight others. That, or you've been brainwashed by the exact propaganda Techleaks warns against and are not capable of processing information that is not aligned with your bias.

byylu

TL;DR Memetic / Pepecoin (2016) – The original Pepe coin launched in 2016 as Memetic and later rebranded to Pepecoin. There were concerns about the first few blocks, where roughly 500k coins were mined. Years later, due to low mining activity, the project migrated to Ethereum. PEPE (ETH) – The largest Pepe project by market cap. Launched about two years ago as an Ethereum token. There have been wallet-freezing controversies, and while token burns were promised, there hasn't been much news about them for over a year. Pepecoin (Pepecoin.com / $PEP) – Launched in January 2024 as a fair-launch Layer 1 blockchain with no premine and no VC funding. Development and listings are community-funded. The network is secured through merged mining with Litecoin and Dogecoin, giving it the security of the Scrypt mining ecosystem. Rest -yepe,smol pepe etc - who cares

Serenaded

these are pretty much the only established non-scam, non-VC centralised slop coins, I wouldn't recommend anyone go further than BTC or ETH either if the goal is long term wealth.

Safe_Squash1704

When a mommy VC and a daddy CEO come together they make outlandish claims to lure investor funding. This right here is why I have no faith in the world. Just a bunch of stupid people at this point with very surface level intelligence. Not willing to think critically.

Flashy-Potatoe-Queen

Well... What did you expect? 1 dollars per module? He'd get ruined by bots... This was made by someone from the community.... It's nice enough of him to give away anything for free. Kaspa being one of the rare thing that isn't a VC pump and dump scam alongside BTC and XMR... He wouldn't be wasting time.

mickalawl

ASX tried this a few years ago and abandoned the project. It's usually some VC bro has managed to convince an unwitting cio.

Freudarian

Looking back 16yrs the original idea was to send value over a decentralized network. Nowhere in the whitepaper was mentioned HODL, moon, gold, or anything. Bitcoin has done what it came to do: renew the banking sector, compete with the lazy establishment, and create new markets and jobs. Just like torrents are used to distribute data efficiently through networks, and it doesnt have much to do with Piratebay anymore. I think you are wayyyy early, but in the end, compounding life savings is not what crypto is for. The hoax about the new dig gold narrative was a bulltrap for VC's from the beginning and boy they didnt hold back. Now we have so many new applications that we couldnt dream of. In 2010 using a platform was expensive complicated, now there is thousands of them. Fueled with AI im sure they'll be around for some time. The markets wont dissappear and RWA is going to be real. I was tired of the restrictions I had dealing with stocks. I want 24/7 realtime trading and I dont want befor and after trading where I cant compete. Thats BS. But, I agree the bullrun will be a diminishing return until the money is so concentrated that it will be only used as leverage for assets and valuta. Untill something will spark a bankrun in 10 / 15 yrs

CiaranCarroll

If the lesson learned I'd to trust VC backed HWWs that don't allow you to add your own entropy and verify that the device is generating seed deterministically and therefore not spoofing them then Bitcoin has been absorbed by Clownworld.

corner_couch

As much as bitcoiners hate VC and everything big tech and surveillance etc. Something like a \*hardware wallet\* - or really anything hardware related - you should really consider the quality and financing of the company backing it, the size of company, reputation, and so on. 100% open source is a good ideal but then you need an active community with a lot of support (like BTC itself) and the people able to audit hardware / firmware for free is much smaller than pure software. Lessons learned here for the community

ihavenotimeforgames2

Ledger is VC backed, which does boost its credibility substantially. I just wish people can covert BTC to ETF shares, then no one would have to worry about cold storage bullshit.

HBRWHammer5

Ah yes, the most brutal VC dump fest token that no one wants to touch.

byylu

TL;DR Memetic / Pepecoin (2016) – The original Pepe coin launched in 2016 as Memetic and later rebranded to Pepecoin. There were concerns about the first few blocks, where roughly 500k coins were mined. Years later, due to low mining activity, the project migrated to Ethereum. PEPE (ETH) – The largest Pepe project by market cap. Launched about two years ago as an Ethereum token. There have been wallet-freezing controversies, and while token burns were promised, there hasn't been much news about them for over a year. Pepecoin (Pepecoin.com / $PEP) – Launched in January 2024 as a fair-launch Layer 1 blockchain with no premine and no VC funding. Development and listings are community-funded. The network is secured through merged mining with Litecoin and Dogecoin, giving it the security of the Scrypt mining ecosystem.

PatientReasonable348

Honestly, the amount of automated VC spam on TG right now is completely out of control. We need to do better as an industry

radiationholder

there is nothing in crypto that isn't highly speculative. trying to find the one that is going to go up in $$ is a game of guessing which coin attracts the most VC money and timing the bull cycle. tokenonics and fundamentals are not important in and of themselves, its about finding the one to pump and loading your bags early enough, and unloading them at the most ideal moment in time

Huckleberrysdick

Google about the loan structure and repayment dates on the money MSTR borrowed to buy up their \~850k BTC. When they have to liquidate BTC to creditors in 2027 what happens to the price? Leveraged positions using VC are dead. BTC has hit its ATH.

Huckleberrysdick

Google about the loan structure and repayment dates on the money MSTR borrowed to buy up their \~850k BTC. When they have to liquidate BTC to creditors in 2027 what happens to the price? Leveraged positions using VC are dead. BTC has hit its ATH.

Dull-Fun

That's 100% useless ALTs such a drop. Most ALTs are scams and details are exit liquidity. Crypto is old news old tech now. 2009... It didn't take off. I don't care about the partnership. I have never seen anyone in the real world, outside use them. Some companies use PRIVATE ledgers to follow internal operation that's it. There are a few coins that hold the price and recover every time , you all know which ones. You won't get rich with bad alt coins. And please remember alt seasons has never existed. It was using naive retails as exit liquidity. Now people are reinvesting in bitcoin. Or selling bags of it when big VC need cash. And big VC were never the target read the white paper. There was a proposal there, relying on people choice. People, decided to trust the same actors that rocked them in 2008. Well, then don't cry when you get recked again.

CryptoAnarchyst

HBAR is an absolute scam man, look at tokenomics, look at the chain performance, look at the person who is running it… the guy is a sheister. The companies that “started” it don’t want to have anything to do with it. And tell me what problem is HBAR actually solving? It’s been around for 7 years and it hasn’t had an ATH since inception. I’ve been in space for well over a decade and every single chain that has shown promise is a scam. SOL… VC backed shitcoin that is using holders as exit liquidity… HBAR is the same.

deltamark_btc

from a majors-only perspective: btc is the highest conviction pick - 15 years of security model intact, institutional custody now established, fixed supply. if anything survives 20 years it's this. eth is high probability too - real developer gravity, staking yield, ETF approved, the head start is hard to displace even with real competition. sol is genuinely uncertain for me - fast and cheap with real momentum but it has outage history and is more VC-heavy, maybe 50/50 at that timeframe. everything else i have no real conviction on at 20 years. the alts in today's top 10 probably aren't the same names in 2046.

jawni

This sub has always been cancer, it's never been a good place for discussion, never been a good place for alpha, never been a good place for research. People here are generally *substantially* dumber than the average person on CT. It's just not sustainable to have a community whose content curation is done by popular vote when you have such varying opinions within that community. So it doesn't really matter who is wrong or right, because people don't upvote and downvote based on that. Post anything remotely positive about Cardano or Nano or Algorand or Loopring, and it would get upvoted to the top immediately. Meanwhile the coins that outperformed the market, like SOL in 2022-2024, were vehemently hated for reasons that were either patently false or were obviously going to become false. "It's only pumping for the FTX unlocks", "All the usage is fake", "Institutions won't use SOL", "It had downtime!", "It's only memes!" but anyone with a brain and the ability to do real due diligence could see how wrong all of those were or would become. Or HYPE, an extremely successful project, which used no VC money and airdropped much of the supply. This sub has a hate-boner for VCs, which would make you think HYPE would've been this sub's darling... but no. I don't even think many people here know about it. And then discovery or discussion on any new project is completely worthless here because everyone just assumes it's a cashgrab or scam without doing any critical thinking. If you use this sub, stop, and find something else. [Look into researching the way I recommend here.](np://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1h7e21t/35yo_new_to_cc/m0kzmqp/)

Educational_Cable405

The barber selling feels like a signal because it usually is, but it works backwards on alts. With BTC, retail giving up actually thins the sell side since the supply is capped. Most alts have team and VC unlocks dripping in on a fixed schedule no matter who panics, so 'everyone capitulated' never really dries up the sellers the way it does for BTC. That's why an alt can keep bleeding long after the last retail holder has already left.

Dedsnotdead

I hold SOL and have held and actively traded SOL since 3 months after launch. It’s had several outages but, aside from being VC backed with an extremely interesting token allocation at launch has an excellent plunge protection team. I’ve watched Sol rally during multiple market wide collapses because it’s been actively propped up and bought by that team. It works. Look at the number of validators, tps and the development cycle. It’s a really interesting token and you can make money from it. It isn’t, in my view, anything more than that. I see it as a heavily manipulated asset with enough liquidity to enable exit if needed. I’m a great believer in Brewer’s theorem in practice for tokens and I think Sol gets that right. It prioritises user funds over network uptime. That makes it a buy for me. Sol has also gone a long way to pruning crap validators and has spent a lot of time and effort in ensuring that their Nakomoto Coefficient is decent. In other words they have good enough protection in place to prevent validators viably colluding. Also good from my perspective. But, and this is where my caution and scepticism comes from. Sol’s Genesis launch was heavily favourable to Seed, founding and Strategic rounds. The funds for 19.4%, the founders got about 13%, the foundation I can’t remember, probably about the same as the founders. Retail was offered 30-40%. Somewhere around that. There was a lot of selling to retail from Seed and Strategic accounts, they paid cents on the dollar at best so made a fortune from retail. On top of that, I don’t believe Sol is actually decentralised, I think it’s heavily controlled by the founders and has been from launch. In one respect that’s good from an investment perspective which I why I still hold and trade it. But it’s not the behaviour I’d expect from “the future of finance”, far too much centralised control for it to be viable. TLDR, it’s decent to trade, it’s nothing more than that in my view.

sigh_duck

super inflationary and too many unlocks on SUI for it to be a main investment for me. Just continual VC dumping and I dont want to be exit liquidity for Raul

jekpopulous2

I don’t like Sui at all but as a dev I gotta say MOVE is a really good language for smart-contracts. Outside of that it’s just another relatively fast semi-centralized VC chain.

Realistic_Fee_00001

From all the possible Satoshis Andy Back is the least likely one. Who crippled their own amazing invention? However he is not broke anymore he got millions in VC money for his company Blockstream.

Realistic_Fee_00001

Andy Back, who suggested people should use Tabs like in pubs instead of transacting onchain. Andy Back who visited the Pedo island Andy Back who tool millions in VC money from financial institutions. Andy Back who crippled BTC? That Adam Back?

Silver_Pie_8354

Why does anyone care about the founder of a VC manipulated shitcoin that is a slow rug?

my-little-puppet

None of them. They are all VC manipulated garbage.

ma6ic

just look at what major crypto asset has outperformed all the others this year and then go do research on why. crypto isnt dead, it's demanding better assets. they exist, they are not VC coins that get sold off constantly.

my-little-puppet

I don’t think this should be downvoted. It is a centralized, VC manipulated shitcoin with 7-8% inflation. It won’t ever get real world adoption outside of being a meme token casino in which most investors get rinsed.

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This dilemma has caused HFT firms to become the premier firms to develop the computer science technology called parallel execution or computing. They have millions riding on the line to develop system which have zero lag time to execute millions of trade orders with absolutely zero failure rate. So you apply this same science to crypto and you can run or process transactions the same way, for instant finality with very little expense per transactions. This is a major reason why Mastercard is working with their engineers as they mature and develop the working incubated system to Mastercards needs as they incubate them. They recognized the use of this HFT skill set and applied it to crypto, a new frontier for this tech, hence monad was formed. Parallel execution in layman’s terms… Let’s say you are cruising along and you come to pond, and there is a line waiting to cross over via the single row of lily pads (you are a bug so weight has no relevance), the line is due to every bug has a different crossing time and ability, so the line grows and you wait for your turn and this wait is never the same depending on who needs to cross, along comes a little bug ambulance tries to cross without the lily pads and sinks in the pond lost forever, there is no crossing without these lily pads. Then one day someone adds a grid of lily pads as a solution, but the bugs do not understand why and simply still use the same row of lily pads. And the solution is a no go, the next day they learn to use two rows and there is some improvement…along comes monad and write a sign (code) that explains based on the person in front of you and their speed please select another adjacent lily pad to pass and you are approved to evaluate any lily pad which supports the expeditious crossing. So the bugs quickly learn to use every lily pad in the pond and everyone crosses at their own speed as fast as they can and the line is forever eliminated. The end, or the beginning! That’s parallel execution, the tech other chains established do not have as monad has, other versions but not the monad superior built version which is known to be the shit! ….and it naturally should be, because it incorporates the knowledge of very skilled experienced parallel technicians and engineers tasked with protecting clients money by the billions, that pressure to deliver, that’s precision under fire, that’s who is building monad. 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TiredButCooking

Everyone's on a completely different financial timeline. Someone who got in back in 2015 or a big VC fund is probably just rotating and diversifying... a local dip doesn't really touch their profit margins.

Scholes_SC2

AI is too lucrative at the moment due VC funding but that'll eventually decrease and AI infra won't be as lucrative. That's why im so hesitant to rely too much on AI, it will become too expensive at some point

Romanizer

The only way to invest in Crypto is to buy and hold Bitcoin. Do that for at least 10 years and you will have enough time for research. Everything else is gambling with pump and dump scams. If you are interested in that, learn how insiders launch such a scam and decide if that's for you. Some altcoins could be classified as tech demos regarding functionality, but nothing worth putting money in as investment (maybe as VC in the associated companies).

Hot_Sacks

Great take. IMO, outside of the forced sellers, the group that's creating the biggest consistent sell pressure is OG VC capital with huge gains already just rotating some of their holdings into AI and other sectors to de-risk, diversify, and potentially catch the next trend. However, they likely still have a ton of BTC exposure. If you listen to some of the later-stage OG's, who got in around 2015/2016, VC's in Silicon Valley were already balls deep into Bitcoin around 2012-2014 and bought in the single digits.

PossessionSome1249

This is called an insider or VC that cannot sell.. Nobody is that stupid.

TakingChances01

Trump has nothing to do with the Nasdaq composite’s inclusion rules, Elon somehow got them to do that on his own. The administration is trying to allow fund managers to add private equity to retirement accounts though, in other words have the middle class fund VC debts. I’m sick of the corrupt BS though, definitely not arguing that point.

AdiFlips

VC funding for crypto startups has been steadily decreasing, that adds to the overall doom & gloom.

Patient_Craft2195

This is the right question. The "still shipping in a flat market" filter strips out 95% of crypto and leaves the projects worth watching long-term. My honest list: * **Bitcoin Core devs** — Already proved it. Built through 2014-2017 silence, 2018-2020 winter, and 2022-2024 contagion. Zero salary, mostly volunteer/grant-funded. The original conviction project. * **Ethereum Foundation + client teams (Geth, Reth, Nethermind, Lighthouse)** — Multi-year roadmaps (Pectra, Fusaka, Verkle, Statelessness) that exist regardless of price. Funded through endowments, not token-pumped treasuries. * **Monero contributors** — No premine, no foundation, no marketing. The fact that Monero is still actively developed despite delistings from every major exchange tells you these are mission people, not market people. * **Bitcoin L2 builders (Stacks, Spark, Citrea, BitVM teams)** — Building infrastructure that takes years to mature and won't have a clear "moment." Pure conviction work. * **Nostr protocol contributors** — No token. Literally cannot pump. Still shipping. * **Sigma chain projects (Ergo, etc.)** — Tiny communities, almost no speculative interest, still active development. The smallest tell: when a team keeps shipping with no audience, the motive can only be the work itself. * **Cypherpunk privacy stuff (Zcash dev teams, Wasabi/Samourai-style projects)** — Building tools that some governments actively don't want to exist. Wrong incentive structure for grifters. Notably **not** on this list: most L1s with VC overhang, most "AI agent" projects, most RWA tokenization plays, almost all memecoins. These are largely *because of* market conditions, not despite them. The filter is: would the team show up if the token went to zero tomorrow? If yes, they're builders. If no, they're sellers using a token as the product.

sixwax

AI slop. If anyone was paying attention and thinking like a VC, private chains were always going to be the best case scenario for financial adoption. Which means your silly mining and useless coins would have no value or impact. Oops.

Elementary2

SOL was potentially a racket. "Solana allocated approximately 48% of its initial token supply to insiders and venture capital (VC) firms, whereas Ethereum allocated roughly 15% to its insiders and early contributors" "Ethereum took a radically different path during its 2014 Initial Coin Offering (ICO). It distributed a massive 80% of its initial supply directly to public buyers who participated in the open crowdfund. Only about 15% was retained by the founding team and early contributors, with the remaining 5% going to the Ethereum Foundation"

Harfatum

same boring story - new VC chain with slightly faster block times but less decentralized than the last one launches, founders retain 50% of token supply. founders pay devs VC money/token reserves to write code, apps max extract, move on to next chain. none of them are as robust, decentralized, battle tested as Ethereum, none have as good tokenomics, EOS Solana Sui whatever, I'm just tired of keeping track anymore

MinimalGravitas

Just in the last month we've seen new projects built on Ethereum by Fidelity and Blackrock as well as JPMorgan. Have you seen the full list of institutions building on Ethereum and its ecosystem? https://ethereumadoption.com/built-on-ethereum/ In the short term price is entirely unpredictable, powerful players from bitcoin maxis to VC chain influencers are financially incentivized to manipulate investors into not noticing that Ethereum is becoming the backbone of the future financial system, or to believe that this happening won't impact ETH price... ... but in the long term I have zero concerns for the price of the asset. At some point the dominance of adoption will simply be undeniable, and the value of ETH will reflect that.

Ancient-Bat1755

True. Also ipo = high high stock for a month or so before major selloffs so VC can recover funds. Most folks lose money. We also buy at a higher price than vc/insiders.

Calm_Situation_1131

Yeah because 99.9% of tokens don't do anything besides VC and insider exit liquidity. Nothing fundamentally changed for these tokens.