VC

jawni

Part 2 >Actual users are benefitting from the things that I've noted because they do matter. USERS 👏 WILL 👏 SHOW 👏 YOU 👏 WHAT 👏 THINGS 👏 ARE 👏 BENEFICIAL 👏 BY 👏 USING 👏 THEM Just saying it's a benefit because you say it matters means absolutely nothing. Tell me specifically when a user goes to make a transaction on Litecoin and Solana, what things will they notice? And how would they actually notice them? At least in my experience, no matter what type of transaction you make, you'll notice the speed and the cost. How is a user going to notice the things you think matter? >If the VCs and others promoting new chains validated this narrative, they couldn't dump their insider bags on the market at a profit. If it was a real narrative, you wouldn't need people to validate it for you, it would come about naturally. Also, you need to stop treating VCs as anything other than early stage investors. This sub seems to think VC is a code word for some type of inherently nefarious group, rather than just a group of connected investors who have a lot of funds to employ... >I'm trying to understand your criticism of Litecoin - I could not care less about selling you on it. It all seems to boil down to: I don't believe number will go up as much If you haven't figured it out by now, there isn't much hope, but I'll spell it out as simply and plainly as I can for you: Blockchains need to sustain themselves -> they use block rewards to bootstrap the network and subsidize network operator pay temporarily -> generally block rewards asymptotically approach zero(aka they get smaller and smaller due to things like halving for LTC or in Solana's case disinflation) -> if the network does not have enough users paying for blockspace then the network operators won't get paid enough to keep operating -> chain dies. I don't know how many times I have to repeat this, but far less people use LTC than Solana, so when I say users aren't benefitting from those, it refers to the lack of usage on LTC, despite it having those qualities. If it has those qualities and users choose something else, they likely see no benefit in those things, or higher relative benefit elsewhere, like Solana (or in the case of payments, often Tron). You also haven't been able to quantify how a user would have any indication of which networks had a fair distribution, while it's extremely easy to quantify how a user would have immediate indication of what network is cheaper or faster. Litecoin *used* to have a fundamental advantage when it came to the area of payments or transfers, now it objectively does not with respect towards blocktimes(speed) and fees(cost). If Litecoin isn't the best coin for payments or transfers anymore, then how is it going to sustain itself? Where is litecoin going to generate it's revenue from? >Market doesn't have to care about what I see as fundamental in the short term. Current stats suggest that 99% of crypto investors not buying BTC will be bagholders and lose over the long term. The odds are worse than a slot machine at a casino. Winners in the short term must time their exits and avoid emotional attachment to their investment. Most won't be capable of doing this and it will leave a bad taste in their mouth about crypto. ok? My point was just that price movement, although an imperfect measure, is often an indicator of fundamentals and also future expectations. Because it seems like you have trouble identifying what is and isn't getting traction from more direct indicators, so instead of being confident in an inherently limited view thinking "Am I wrong? No it's the market who is wrong!" you might have a bit of reflection. But if you just dismiss all price movement it can lead people to assume their thesis is fine despite it being the opposite. >Seems like we agree that these new chains are not really sustainable. Bit of specificity needed here. They are sustainable, they generally aren't self-sustainable at launch though, but they can become self-sustainable over time. Keep in mind this is why I'm bearish on Litecoin, it hasn't proven a good path towards self-sustainability. And obviously Litecoin also subsidizes block production as well to provide a better chance at long term sustainability. >They require marketing to grow and every person who buys a memecoin on the chain and proceeds to lose most of the value of their investment is not going to come away with a flattering outlook on that chain or the market it provides access to. In the case of Solana, there are thousands of projects that call it home, they market for themselves which in turn acts as marketing for the chain they use. Solana is the \#1 chain for revenue generating apps and has been for 14 straight weeks now. As it is, Solana does need to grow, but is on a good pace. Seems like growth is going fine for them, but what is Litecoin's plan for growth? Litecoin generated ~500 blocks a day and ~$500 worth of LTC every block, for a total of $250,000 worth of minted LTC per 24H but it only generated ~$700 in fees in that same time. ([source](https://bitinfocharts.com/litecoin/)) How do they increase that number when people seemingly don't value the things that you think are so important? >So do you see Solana through a "better Ethereum" narrative? Not necessarily, I just see it as a blockchain that can facilitate enough transactions to sustain the network while keeping individual fees low. I see it as better for certain purposes, but they really only compete in the sense that both of them are head and shoulders above everyone else when it comes to the activity of their respective ecosystems. >Long term, I think the market has always been triangulating on the story of value + scarcity and when BTC becomes too expensive for the smallest fish, there will be very few blockchains with a narrative that can sustain the demand without getting dumped by bagholders who have been trained to watch and wait for their exit signal. Yeah, and judging by usage, by the proxy of revenue, Solana seems to be one of the few that will sustain. You've now vaguely referenced "dumping" as a threat to Solana, not sure how tangible that threat is, especially considering the 2022 bear market and FTX fallout are lows that will likely never be reached again, as well as considering that making it through that inspired a lot of confidence in Solana. So I'm really not sure what you're insinuating here. Considering the supply is 99.99% unlocked I'm not sure what "bagholders who have been trained to watch and wait for their exit signal." is in reference too. Do you somehow think Solana is more vulnerable... to people selling coins? >I agree that the narrative for short term speculative gains is easier to understand and believe in than the fundamental long term value proposition of a coin towards its designated purpose. I think every blockchain with a rational long term narrative does not require timing the market or a marketing team to continue growing. Like I already mentioned, I'm a long term holder and every investment inherently requires timing the market to some degree, you have to enter and you have to exit and that is the only timing my long term narrative requires, just like literally any other type of buy and hold investment.

HearMeRoar80

Just some random VC investor that happens to hit it big on Bitcoin, he likes to invest super early in unproven but interesting tech companies. It led him to Bitcoin, but also led him to invest in Theranos lol.

Arcanerocket

If tech’s irrelevant, then enjoy riding hype cycles till the next collapse. But if you think supply and trust matter, XRP’s a trap. IOTA’s got no VC bags, real tokenomics, and actual purpose.

drparapine

For people just starting to look into the cryptocurrency space, here are some red flags to watch out for: 1. A prominent founder proselytizing the use case for the coin 2. A "council" or set of people with dominant control of the protocol, able to make changes as they see fit, usually venture capitalists 3. A pre-mine, where said council or VC's have had access to the coin and been divvied out a percentage of the total supply before it is opened to the public 4. A limited number of nodes, susceptible to an attack by a government targeting the AWS servers where the ledgers are being kept. Compare this to Bitcoin, which has 20,000-50,000 nodes around the world running the protocol. No single country or bloc of countries can ban this 5. No fixed supply. How many total coins are in circulation? How many will ever be in circulation? 6. Proof of stake. Just fiat finance principles (those who have it all, make more of it all through lending, "staking", and making money through interest) inured into the digital economy.

Leithm

Dude was rich long before Bitcoin turned up, he sold a Lambo in early 2011 to buy as much bitcoin as he could near $1. Had well of 100k BTC. Dude seed funded Bitpay, [Blockshain.info](http://Blockshain.info) and Kraken, long before any VC’s turned up Dude took out the first advertising to try to on board as many people to bitcoin as he could in 2012 Dude set up the first only shop for Bitcoin in Memory dealers. Dude is also under house arrest in Spain on ridiculous tax exit charges when he left the US 20 years ago.  So I doubt he is manipulating anything. People should be more grateful for those who built the ecosystem long before  they turned up.

olduvai_man

The amount of supply doesn't relate whatsoever to the whether something is inflationary or deflationary and Kaspa has a smooth decrease in issuance (it will reach near-zero issuance far sooner than LTC). The "privacy features" that LTC has are completely optional and are neither supported or used by a large majority of the people who even use the project. There are already mixers for Kaspa and zk-rollups could easily create additional security. I'm not sure where the perceived strenghts of LTC are over Kaspa. It's a better store-of-value, medium-of-exchange and can support dapps/ecosystem while being a fairer launch than LTC (Kaspa has no VC/pre-mine/foundation/governing authority). It's blown LTC out of the water on transaction volume as well.

RefrigeratorLow1259

You're talking only $100M it's peanuts...essentially needs stable coin volume - Can't have USDC because it's too technical to implement on a UTXO chain, Circle can't be arsed doing it. ( Plus they hate ADA as being a non VC funded chain and they don't like competition to their EVM account based shit chains. Anyway RLUSD coming soon which has better audit reports.

wienercat

Next will be the AI bubble popping once silicon valley finds a new shiny technology to trot out in front of VC money.

DrSpeckles

Practical, working quantum computers that is beyond the hype designed to soak up VC dollars is a long, long way off. There is a long time for forkabke crypto to adapt. BTC has long shown its inability to adapt,but there are many others who will thrive. A world where BTC dies and far, far better alternatives take over is a good one.

RefrigeratorLow1259

Essentially it has a low stablecoin mc because Circle don't want to implement the tech to integrate USDC to a UTXO chain- they only like account based models, anyway RLUSD will come soon. Cardano will be the de facto DeFi layer for BTC (Also a natural fit as it's also a UTXO) Check: https://bitvmx.org/ Cardano is fully DECENTRALISED with no VC backing unlike SOL and SUI ( a16z, Poly Market Capital, Multi Coin Capital,Jump Crypto, Coinbase Ventures etc...) Transaction volumes regularly surpass 100,000 - and don't include fake tx's like mev bots and voting tx's like SOL. Influencers are not part of Cardano, you must be thinking of that charlatan of Bitcoin, Saylor..😏

JDB-667

Remember when he said he knew nothing about VC but "it's not hard" I'll just put my mind to it and figure it out. He's just a bootlicker to rich people.

GhostEntropy

I do not. Liquidity and interest is concentrating at the top. Just like how maxis said it would (Schelling Point). Retail got burned by VC rug pulls and scams and (mostly) and left the market forever. The smarter ones became btc maxis. Liquidity is too thin on alts and spread out amongst too much garbage to have a broad alt season. You can still expect isolated micro pumps here and there, but no broad alt season where the top 100 10x's.

1_BigPapi

Not directed at the OP, but in general to those who continue to drop lazy fuddy ETH engagement bait: For it to work, we have to pretend that Ethereum isn't the most genuine development effort in crypto (alongside BTC) and that it hasn't cornered the market in nearly every fundamental datapoint: highest adoption, volume, fees, ETF flows, on-chain value, decentralization, development activity, stablecoins, etc. \~Competing L1 (VC tokens) tell you they are the next big thing while dumping on you with nearly zero adoption. You might make some money if you dump before they do \~Bitcoin maxis still obsess over premine from a decade ago.. And ignore the entire universe of decentralized services and products being built and envisioned on Ethereum that expand on Satoshi's vision and lean into ideas from others like Hal, Szabo, Vitalik. \~Memecoin kiddos tell you something about fees while getting rugged on Pump Fun and it's 98% loss rate. \~Solana maxis tell you they are the future while ignoring the chain being down like 3 times in the past year and nearly zero adoption beyond memes. PS: macro isn't kind to risk assets. Over 80% of gains in the stock market since 2022 were from only 7 stocks (Magnificent 7). We aren't risk on and alts will run once geopolitical tensions drop and business cycle concludes and rates drop.

jawni

None of those really matter though, which is why it *is* a top network despite OP's belief otherwise. If Justin Sun got locked up, Tron would still be massively popular. He's the founder, but it's not like the chain relies on him doing anything at this point. He's basically like Vitalik at this point, a figurehead, but he grifts instead of nerding out on shit. Honestly not sure how getting into legal trouble would even affect the price of the coin at this point, considering how expected it already is. Tron was VC funded? Ok. Seems like it worked out well for them. And TRX/BTC is in a downtrend? I'd imagine most things are, and if you paired those other things against TRX I'd imagine TRX beats them out generally. The real threat to Tron is Plasma, and stablecoin competition in general.

SpontaneousDream

* Justin Sun has a *long* history of legal trouble that is still ongoing today. He's facing numerous lawsuits all over the world. He also has a long history of manipulation and deceptive/shady business practices. * Tron was a heavily VC-funded coin. * TRX/BTC has been in a constant downtrend since its ATH in 2018. That being said, I have to give credit where credit is due. TRX/USD has done well, fwiw, and Tron holds something like 30% of all stablecoins at $80 billion and continue to eat Ethereum's lunch in that area.

SpontaneousDream

They literally had like 3 or 4 rounds of VC investment. Lol thanks for playing

flytonewyork

This is what a hangover from a binge on zero interest rate infinite institutional and VC money feels like.  Interest rates are 4.5%. Crypto is not “dead”, it was just an industry pumped full of steroids and ridiculous amounts of greed and crazy monetary policy. We are in a MUCH healthier position now with far less money borrowed off low float high FDV vapor money.  The real building happens when the volume gets turned down.  Spx6900 fixes this. 

CoffeeAlternative647

I seriously hope the vast majority of shitcoiners realize that they are getting ball played before the Bitcoin black hole drainage starts the real flood on the market. No institution will take your VC backed meme-Solanas or CBDC-XRP, nor your premined-big bag takes all Ethereum. Its been 16 years and people still struggle to understand that there is not a remnant of a possibility to overtake Bitcoin. It has just too much power and growing curve. Shitcoins are simply a distraction to drain your pocket.

RefrigeratorLow1259

Looks good 100% available, no VC's involved or CEX wallets

MustHaveMyTools

Chainlink has nothing to do with any VC’s and everything to do with subsidizing and lifting the defi space since 2019. 

jawni

you do understand that is from 5 years ago and [99.88% of the supply is unlocked](https://solana.messari.io/token-unlocks), right? So either the VC's are diamond hands after sitting through literally anywhere from a 300x currently to a 1000x at the ATH in profit, or they took profit(seems likely) and that chart is not even close to accurate any more. also, just so I know you understand how this works, anyone can buy up the supply on any coin at any time, so even if a network starts from a distributed point(which most do not at TGE), it could become far worse over time.

SpontaneousDream

Because it's a completely useless, overvalued VC shitcoin? It accrues no value. No burns, no buybacks, nothing. $LINK cult members will claim some nonsense about "something something all fees paid in $LINK!!"...yea yea that's great and all but no project in their right mind is going to hold $LINK long term, which just results in them immediately dumping $LINK for USDC, BTC, ETH, etc. And let's not forget that Chainlink's service is literally just an oracle...which doesn't need a token, and even if it did, why didn't they use ETH? (hint: they want your $$). There are numerous projects out there that build oracles without the attached VC-shitcoin. There's also a TON of sell pressure from the team, seed investors, devs, etc. to "fund expenses". AKA, fund Sergey's expensive suits and watches. No joke- this dude went from wearing ugly ass plaid shirts to tailor made suits. He's now worth hundreds of millions. I gotta give it to him though, he pulled off a nice grift. Very similar character to a Daniel Larimer, Charles Hoskinson, etc. All talk, always shilling, always talking about "the future". These guys made their money at the expense of clueless bagholders like u/JustStoppingBy I wish I was making this all up, but you can check yourself on the tokenomics and quarterly sell pressure. Idk why anyone in their right mind would hold this shitcoin. More facts: * $LINK is -75% from USD ATH from 4+ years ago * $LINK is -90% from BTC ATH from 4+ years ago * $LINK is -88% from ETH ATH from 4+ years ago Just like with $ETH, no amount of good news matters when your token doesn't directly accrue value. And none of these altcoins have the monetary premium that the market puts on BTC.

luvme4ev

You proved the OP friend's point, but that went over your head. You literally are riding the curtail of the years you listed when btc and altcoins were creating a buzz and normal everyday people had a chance at making money. Your reference to the years you listed emphasized his or her point greatly. Or perhaps your point was to brag and not really add value to the discussion, if so, you successfully accomplished that 👏🏻 Also, if you were around truly during those times, even the die-hard btc maxis bought a few alts that went dud. The years you listed were all about crypto games and losing money. Nothing was guaranteed back then and many lost money and made money too. Nothing, I hate more is to see people who went through the trenches back in the day stick their nose up to those who also went through the same trenches but didn't fair well or for some people to deny the truth about the past. Crypto is different today than it was in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, etc. Back then, it was true ground movement, word of mouth, and community, now it's VC, Wall Street and scammers, with scammers comprising of gov, billionaires, etc. The normal everyday people are the bait now. No more exciting project, no more good way to turn a few dollars into some 💵💵💵💵. HODL don't work for any of these scamming memecoins.

noviwu97

Mostly goes to the Dev or VC who keeps dumping them

hettuklaeddi

if i had to guess, the fake zoom link gave remote control, and mr VC had a wallet on his machine

mrjune2040

Regarding price/MC activity—the same goes for any token, particularly outside the top 100 where there is fuck all liquidity. You can crash a market cap with a couple of large sell orders. And Bitcoin absolutely does have 65% of the financial market attention, outside of the bubble of reddit and day traders the broader market knows Bitcoin and Bitcoin only. Total BTC ETF MC outpaces ETH ETF MC's by a factor of 12. And sure—in terms of development there are a lot of people building crypto-wide, but a ton of that building is more or less vaporware that will never see tangible usage (and will probably run out of runway before being profitable), funded via 2021/2 VC cash, and various ICO's old and new (cough Polkadot). Ethereum (and it's broader L2 ecosystem) is the only real protocol that's self-sustaining at this point, and it's no surprise that makes up the bulk of developer interest. But regardless, this thread was about market terms and the question of a bull market—I'll eat a bag of dicks if even 20% of tokens between number 15 and 100 in MC's ever see previous ATH's again. The industry is maturing, exponential valuations are no longer viable, and most protocols will simply see diminishing returns over time imo.

Alfador8

> What we don't know how to do is get people to not be frauds and abuse their powers without in-group preference. And your solution is centralize, VC backed, pre-mined token ledgers? Because that's basically all "crypto" is. >Decentralized immutable ledgers and anonymous currency like cash (or monero) is the best we've got. I agree but that means only bitcoin and monero provide value (which I happen to believe).

MaximumStudent1839

> Digital identity The most used application I see is to counter against Sybil airdrop farming. Again, it is about the token. >  property/ asset records Again, tokens. > voting systems I have written about this a lot here. I don't see the point of it doing via blockchain, especially when privacy features are so lacking. > IP protection This is a narrative pump. IP protection happens in the meat space. You claiming whatever ownership on blockchain doesn't entail the enforcement of your property rights. > government oversight(transparency) Don't need a blockchain for it. In fact, it is more efficient to do it via a centralized database. > food safety tracking,rental and sharing economies, energy grid management peer to peer, anything that takes some input and must be recorded and tracked throughout its various life cycle Bottom line, you don't really know yourself. You just gave out a bunch of examples the space has tried and got no real attraction, besides keeping some dev companies alive and VC fat.

Alfador8

Blockchain is extremely inefficient. The vast majority of use cases are better served by utilizing a traditional database. The purpose of blockchain is to justify the creation of a token that VC backed founders can sell to become rich.

Comfortable_Pilot_65

Insane team behind this, join one VC or xspace and find out what i mean

biba8163

Ripple/XRP is Crypto's Original Sin. > I started working on ripple in the summer of 2011. I soon hired Arthur and David to help me. In 2012, I met Chris Larsen. He joined us about 5 months before ripple was launched. **Chris, Arthur and I kept 20 billion XRP, of which 9 billion were mine.** We gave the remaining 80 billion to OpenCoin. - Jed McCaleb https://web.archive.org/web/20150418092231/https://xrptalk.org/topic/2629-selling-my-xrp It used to be that crypto was supposed to be fairly mined, distributed and anything where the the founders might have gamed the system to hog a big percentage of the coins to themselves was a scam. Ripple was funded by big money Venture Capitalists and the premined supply was kept by the founders to themselves, VCs, and early investors. Ethereum followed that playbook and newer coins like ALGO, AVAX, DOT ,etc have only become worse and worse with VCs keeping the majority of the supply for themselves and scammers like Silvio Micali upping the founders reward to keep 20% of the supply. **Ripple seed investors from 2013 are all VCs** - Andreessen Horowitz - Lightspeed Venture Partners - Pantera Capital - Vast Ventures - Bitcoin Opportunity Fund - Google Ventures - IDG Capital Partners - Core Innovation Capital - Venture51 - Camp One Ventures - IDG Capital Partners **Ethereum investors from 2014** - Konstantin Lomashuk and Vasiliy Shapovalov of Cyber Fund (VC) - Adjacent Venture Capital - Artichoke Capital - Blockchain Assets - Compa Capital - CRVN Capital - Flux Capital

Inevitable-Leave-875

Dear Me, Remember when you thought you were about to “make it” because some Discord degens hyped a frog coin with 10x potential? You were chasing green candles like they were exit ramps from your past — like if you could just catch one moonshot, you could bypass the grind, dodge the pain, skip the years of discipline. You told yourself it was investing. It was coping. You knew how to read candlesticks before you knew how to read a balance sheet. You aped into “1000% APR” farming protocols on chains you couldn’t even name, trusting anonymous Telegram admins with your last $400 like it was divine providence. You lent ETH to borrow USDT to buy more ETH to farm a rebasing ponzi with a mascot that looked like Elon Musk’s dog. And every time you lost money, you told yourself you were early. No — you were naive. You were entering arenas with professionals — market makers, quant firms, VCs with vesting cliffs and liquidation algorithms — thinking your Twitter feed and a hunch were enough. You didn’t understand that DeFi wasn’t built for you to win. It was a liquidity siphon disguised as a revolution. And yet… here you are. You didn’t quit. You learned the hard way. That’s why I’m writing. Because now you get it. Now you know that most coins are vaporware. That liquidity isn’t safety — it’s bait. That TVL is just a scoreboard for the next rug. That “community” is often code for a cult of exit liquidity waiting to be sacrificed. You watched “decentralized” protocols upgrade governance to rug you harder. You saw influencers dump on their own followers in real time. You lost money. But you found clarity. You remembered why you started this journey in the first place: It wasn’t to be rich. It was to be free. To be sovereign. To opt out. To build something real. To hold something no government could inflate, no CEO could rug, no state could seize. Something you could send peer-to-peer, self-custody, verify on-chain. Something that doesn’t pretend to be revolutionary — because it already is. Bitcoin. The only signal in this whole screaming, dopamine-dripping, VC-pumped casino. So now, you’re done with clown coins. Done with leverage. Done with Discord cults and “just one more cycle” delusions. You’re stacking sats. You’re self-custodying. You’re learning how to run a node, how to verify, how to stay private. You’re building skills — not gambling for shortcuts. You’ve become the kind of man who doesn’t just chase number-go-up… You chase discipline. You chase knowledge. You chase the version of you that doesn’t need the next bull market — Because you’ve already rebuilt your foundation from bedrock. And this time… it’s real. See you in the next halving.

binary_quasar

Not sure how it's a tangent if it's directly related to the topic at hand, but you're thinking about this only from a retail perspective. Apply what I said and even what you said to institutional, venture capitalist types. VC Firm has millions and wants to get into the crypto space. They are interested in RWAs. If there are only two RWA projects, they only have to pick between those two. They can take those millions and split it between the two or identify which one they like more and invest into that one. This decision is going to be much easier than if there are ten RWA projects that they have to sift through and research. Some VCs might get to this point and say "We should just create our own project" or "let's revisit this when the market has decided which project is best" and sideline their cash until then or invest in other projects instead. It doesn't matter if they are the top 100 or 1000 coins, the more projects that are trying to accomplish the same things, the more diluted the sector is - Full Stop.

Solarius09

One would hope as a VC, he was sophisticated enough to use a cold wallet. That means he must have personally confirmed a transaction?

jawni

It's a VC, they probably have hundreds of contacts just within crypto.

1corn

The details are: Red flag after red flag after red flag. The "VC partner" literally followed a telegram link to then follow a download link from a Zoom call. Ignored all advice readily available everywhere on the Internet. This was not a smooth scam, it was a tech-illiterate and irresponsible person (life savings in hot wallets, lol) that became too greedy. Absolutely nothing to see or to learn here.

cryptoevonow

Happened to me as well... a known VC name on Telegram sent me this weird app link in place of google meet or zoom. Even said they only use this in "hongkong" and it's a legit company. I declined, next day their account was deleted.

CartographerMore521

what is the VC? Vacant Capitalist or Very Clueless guy?

Tebundo

So a VC can't control his own money? Interesting...

chi-reply

It’s been a few years since I’ve been in VC but still have friends in VC (small to large), no one I know uses telegrams for messaging business. Doesn’t sound legit unless it’s some super small fund. 

MrTheums

The OP highlights a crucial point: the disconnect between hype and fundamentals in the AI token space. The rapid rise, fueled by VC investment, is indeed reminiscent of past speculative bubbles. The impending VC exit wave, coupled with the lack of substantial innovation (many being mere wrappers around existing models), significantly increases the risk of a correction. However, let's not paint all AI tokens with the same brush. A nuanced analysis requires examining individual projects. Key factors to consider include: the actual technological contribution, the strength of the team, the tokenomics (utility, inflation rate, distribution), and the overall market adoption potential. Simply dismissing all AI tokens based on a few high-profile examples is an oversimplification. The DePIN sector's potential is interesting and warrants further investigation, but its success isn't necessarily inversely correlated to the fate of *all* AI tokens. Selective due diligence is key.

Harucifer

Also... > A VC partner in the space lost six wallets Prooooooooooobably shouldn't be a VC if he's getting scammed by calls.

ryana8

Who is this anonymous VC partner? Either you’re making shit up or they’re moving their assets offshore.

rainman4500

Now look into all the VC that pushed shitcoins. Same or worst.

MaximumStudent1839

Good question. > Why is litecoin not better? Is it because it’s just not popular?Because it is faster and cheaper and pow. The market demand for payment via native crypto assets is not great. The asset class is too volatile. Too many companies have tried, and too many have failed. The store-of-value angle has proven to have persistent demand. A token becomes what its holders treat it as and act with it. Treating a token as a medium of payment doesn't accrue value as much as a store of value. It is probably because, when ppl think it is a payment token, they just sell it after they receive it, they don't hodl and reduce market supply. > Aren’t there some alts that are solving blockchain and digital asset problems? What you are describing is solving self-referential problems. To care about them solving these problems, I need to first care about these problems getting solved. I need to care about digital assets. I need to care about blockchain. So what they are doing can't justify why ppl want digital assets/blockchain in the first place. ***You need to solve the first principal problem: why care about digital assets***, before worrying about solving digital assets-related problems. A lot of alts end up building blockchain solutions for use cases/assets that not many care about. > Wouldn’t you want a chain that swaps and transfer these at instant speeds and very cheap? In principle, a company could just run everything with a server for stablecoin use cases. They don't need a blockchain. Again, the issue becomes that you need to care about blockchain first. The best answer is that people care about a digital asset and like access to stablecoins be integrated into the native platform hosting the said digital asset. Again, most nearly always ignore the principal question: why do ppl want blockchain solutions in the first place? > Provide an opportunity to get paid something for farming your data you already let web 2 companies siphon for free. Amazon pays for your receipts too. It is not true you can't sell your data for money to web 2 companies. And it is not true web 3 provides an optimal solution either. > If there are other problems to solve in crypto rather than store of value Store of value has proven to be the best lindy source of demand for ppl to care about a digital asset long-term. Your other problems are second-tier or need to rely on the liquidity provided by the store of value market. > but just like in 2000 eccommerce.  I would say ppl were probably less malicious and intentionally extractive in 2000 than what you see in the space. Take Alliance DAO's mfer VC Qiao for example. He openly brags about extracting value from this space so he can cash out of here and buy stocks.

SoggyGrayDuck

I don't understand what's going on with so much VC money entering the scene. With all these "x company is buying $ of BTC" when one company alone is buying more BTC than is mined in a year. How has it not exploded already? Are they doing something like contacting Black Rock and saying "we want x shares but at the max price of y" and they make that happen over time? I just don't understand why supply and demand hasn't sent this to the moon recently

Simke11

It’s a VC pump and dump shitcoin, nothing to discuss

JustStopppingBye

>XRPL is oracle agnostic even though it has an L1 oracle built in, any oracle can be used on the XRPL, any XRPL dev can use CCIP for their use case like how Band Protocol and DIA oracles are being used. lmao no, XRPL devs definitely cannot use [CCIP](https://docs.chain.link/ccip/directory/mainnet), they cant even use chainlink oracles. >What, except for the ones who are? lol SBI remit isnt a bank and no tier-1 bank will ever use it. Most who tested it never even used XRP. >you must not understand how greed works then, of course they would if it meant they pay less and make more from a company whose VC and board members are a who’s who of respectability and success. Payment companies that want rails to hard to reach corridors with on and off ramps that have deep liquidity is who wants Ripple’s products. Of course they wouldn’t. It’s not about money, it’s about risk, regulation, and control. No bank is going to run its settlement infrastructure on a speculative token managed by a startup company thats already been sued by the SEC lol. Nobody cares who’s on Ripple’s board when compliance officers and regulators are the ones calling the shots. While you’re busy hyping up XRP, you missed the fact that Swift is already integrating blockchain into its legacy systems, which completely undermines your argument. Banks have also achieved atomic DvP and PvP settlements too (without ripples help). [DvP swap from Jp morgan](https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/chainlink-kinexys-by-jp-morgan-and-ondo-finance-team-up-to-bring-bank-payment-rails-to-tokenized-asset-markets-302455268.html) [PvP swap ANZ with VersaVault](https://www.visa.com.sg/content/dam/VCOM/regional/ap/singapore/global-elements/documents/interim-report-e-hkd-pilot-programme-phase-2.pdf) >Ripple is developing an EVM chain because smart contracts on the main net makes zero sense, The whole things makes no sense since Defi and stablecoins. This is their pivot out in the open for you and you still have your blinders on. > Ripple offers an enterprise software suite Not very good software though. Banks can create their own private chain very easily as we have seen with JP Morgan. Every bank with have their own private chain and will connect through CCIP (Swift) to any public or private chain integrated. > Ripple *stock* imo is undervalued. Yikes. Ripple is not who you think it is.

SunDreamShineDay

>Ive stated many times, I want XRPL to integrate CCIP, its just more traffic for chainlink. XRPL is agnostic even though it has an L1 oracle built in, any oracle can be used on the XRPL, any XRPL dev can use CCIP for their use case like how Band Protocol and DIA oracles are being used. >No bank is going to use XRP as a bridge currency What, except for the ones who are? >11k Banks are not going to undermine a system that they own. you must not understand how greed works then, of course they would if it meant they pay less and make more from a company whose VC and board members are a who’s who of respectability and success. >XRPLs only shot at adoption is through Defi when Tradfi connects. You posit as if the chain and coin are not being used, for anything. Such a misinformed take. >This is why they created their stablecoin No, it is because liquidity is the King of all markets, and if Tether can’t pass an audit for MiCA regulations RLUSD can and has, noone in the US or the EU is trying to be beholden to a Chinese coin. >and why they have a EVM chain in development. Ripple is developing an EVM chain because smart contracts on the main net makes zero sense, they don’t own or control the XRPL, they hold no patents pr trademarks of the XRPL or XRP, why would they want the XRPL to try to be everything on one chain when they can develop and control a side chain that offers greater main net security and broader use applications? >But the fact is, XRPL currently has no defi and theyre no where near as successful as their community makes them out to be. You are here on Reddit when the community is on another platform, go where the devs are and learn you don’t know what you don’t know. >This also explains why they used token sales to buy other companies that actually have a product Did you think Google was only a search engine for the last 25 years? Ripple offers an enterprise software suite, they have bought industry leaders in complimenting sectors so that they can offer a wider portfolio of solutions for their clients, they make moves and good ones, Ripple stock imo is undervalued.

Captain_Fredl

SUI is so strong /s VC‘s losing hope

Zanar2002

Got rid of my TAO last month. Can't justify holding that POS anymore when Chutes is the top rated subnet. We were promised decentralized AI and all we've got to show for our effort is an inference network people only use to run DeepSeek because it's free? Serious, I can access Gemini 2.5 for free right now. Who in their right mind is going to pay real money to run DeepSeek? And don't get my started on JJ's TAO HASH...They pay out more in emissions than the Bitcoin they receive from Bitcoin miners? The subnet has mined 12 BTC, but they pay out $4.5 million in emissions EVERY MONTH? It makes zero economic sense. I don't trust Const, I don't trust Mog, I don't trust Keith, I don't trust the Macrocosmos guys, and I most certainty don't trust VC ghouls like JJ and Barry Silbert.

RefrigeratorLow1259

📎 Download link: Cardano_vs_Others_Token_Distribution.png This isn’t accurate. Cardano had one of the fairest token distributions among major chains. Over 57% of ADA was sold publicly, with IOHK receiving ~5.5% for development—not personal enrichment. In contrast, Solana gave nearly half to insiders. Here's a comparison chart for clarity. PLUS there was ZERO VC funding...

RaddyMo

Appreciate the effort, but your argument relies heavily on selective framing and ignores a decade of factual data. “Litecoin has no reason to exist” Litecoin is one of the longest-running decentralized Proof of Work blockchains. It has maintained 100 percent uptime since its launch in 2011, with no protocol-level hacks or reversals. It has processed over 280 million transactions and continues to operate reliably without VC funding or centralized control. This level of operational continuity is uncommon in the crypto space. “Just a Bitcoin clone with minor changes” Litecoin uses a different hashing algorithm, Scrypt instead of SHA-256, which made mining more accessible at launch and helped decentralize early participation. It implemented SegWit in May 2017, months before Bitcoin, and is currently the only major blockchain to have deployed MimbleWimble Extension Blocks, allowing optional confidential transactions. It has also been used as a live environment for upgrades that later reached Bitcoin, including SegWit and Lightning Network compatibility. “It hit 50 dollars in 2013 and now it’s 86” This framing ignores market cycles. Litecoin reached a peak of over 400 dollars in 2021. It has remained in the top 20 cryptocurrencies by market cap across multiple cycles and continues to process significant on-chain activity. Average daily transaction volumes are regularly in the hundreds of thousands, with average transaction fees under half a cent. Few early altcoins have matched that level of long-term utility and persistence. “Only Monero has a real use case” Monero and Litecoin serve different purposes. Monero focuses on privacy and has seen increasing delistings due to regulatory pressures. Litecoin is accepted by payment processors including PayPal, BitPay, and NOWPayments, and is supported at over 14,000 crypto ATMs globally. “Stablecoins have replaced Litecoin” Stablecoins are useful for fiat exposure but rely on centralized issuers and can be frozen or blacklisted. Litecoin operates with no central authority and offers censorship-resistant, final settlement for global transactions. It is still actively used in cross-border payments, withdrawals from ATMs, and peer-to-peer transfers in regions where stablecoin infrastructure is limited or inaccessible. “Bitcoin is eating Litecoin’s monetary premium” Bitcoin is positioned as a long-term store of value. Litecoin is designed for faster and cheaper transactions. It has 2.5-minute block times compared to Bitcoin’s 10 minutes and consistently lower average transaction fees. Litecoin remains integrated into multi-asset payment processors because its characteristics are more aligned with day-to-day usage. Conclusion: Litecoin’s position is not maintained by marketing or speculation. It is the result of long-term stability, protocol-level improvements, and adoption. In an industry that constantly moves on to the next trend, Litecoin has remained relevant by continuing to function, evolve, and serve without interruption.

RefrigeratorLow1259

That's crap, ADA had a fair distribution of tokens - CH's company only got 5.5% of the initial offering for development - plus no VC funding..

Cryoto_Rucky

No VC wanna founding in bearmarket, that's most desperate time.

mrjune2040

Meh- define growth. Most are living off either VC money from prior raises or the revenue generated from sold holdings of the protocol token. Very few protocols are actually making money (ie have long-term sustainability) outside of those parameters. And if a protocol can’t sustain itself on its technological merit and usage/uptake then it IS a shitcoin.

puffman123

Core's behavior is also concerning. We need pleb devs. Not VC backed devs who have questionable motives.

irgeorge

One developer, who lost all their bitcoin and called the FBI. Then all of a sudden popped up running a VC backed firm and pushing their forked bitcoin client.

TrollingStones420

Been keeping an eye on 0x0 lately — honestly one of the few projects that actually feels like it has long-term utility. They’re building a fully decentralized exchange that allows for completely anonymous trading, no KYC, no middlemen. What’s even crazier: 100% of the trading fees go back to the token holders. No VC cuts, no pre-mine, just clean and community-driven. It’s privacy-first, fully open source, and was fair launched from day one. Even CZ (ex-Binance CEO) recently discovered it and showed some support, which brought more attention to it. If you’re thinking long term, this is the kind of infrastructure project that actually has a shot at sticking around.

jawni

>Because the fundamentals are rock solid I'm curious what specific fundamentals do you mean? >we will solve the blockchain trilemma early 2026 Cardano is decentralized, but needs to solve the other two sides still **without** sacfricing that decentralization and not just a little scaling, it needs to scale 10-100x. And Hydra is more akin to a state channel and won't do that, and Midgard isn't even in prod yet. So early 2026 seems laughably ambitious. >and btc defi is in development and will take off this year. And why would this be? The only thing people ever can say is "the btc isn't wrapped" but that makes no difference to the end user unless the worst case scenario happens. The things that do make a difference to the user, like liquidity, speed, fees, and assets to trade for, are all things where Cardano struggles. So can you make sense of that for me? >Also, we grow without VC backed growth. Our growth is organic and without bots. Nothing inherently wrong with bots or VC's. But you get a gold star for avoiding good sources of funding and additional automation on these smart contract platforms.

jawni

>There is a big cardano community on twitter/x. On reddit, not so much. That's every coin. >And the activity on the Cardano chain is real, not bots like sui, sol and other VC coins. I can't speak to SUI or other chains but the activity on SOL is very real. Don't just take youtubers at their word, look at the data yourself, there are plenty of great sources for people to actually do their own research now. Now, the activity on Cardano is definitely real, but it also barely exists. Just for fun lets see how many transactions it's done in the last few minutes. https://imgur.com/a/SaeLSSJ Over the last 7 minutes, Cardano has only processed... 95 transactions. which comes out to a whopping 0.22 transactions per second. (95 txn / 420 seconds = .22) >It's a good chain, not yet the most popular. But hey, you don't have to buy it, but you are certainly welcome. My point is that if it was a good chain, we'd see evidence of it, and wouldn't have to be told how good it was.

geppelle

especially since there is limited selling liquidity, no inflation, no VC, etc.

Milan_dr

> Omg, thank you. Admittedly, I just logged on and spent ages looking for it and realised I had to switch to video generation. This is bad UX from us! We'd love to redirect more people to the Media Generation page since it's the best/easiest to generate on. Were you using on mobile or desktop? > Do you have a page that summarises all the different AI models and what they specialise in? Not so much - our API page gives an overview with the descriptions of all the text models (https://nano-gpt.com/api), but aside from that it's frankly a bit impossible also for us to keep up to date descriptions on what models are best at what. We have an auto-model for text models and model recommender for images, this incorporates the leaderboard rankings for text/image on a bunch of different categories/styles and such. > I've been following this project for quite a while now and I would like to give some brief feedback... Feedback is very much appreciated! Thank you! For a "simple" mode, would something like showing just the top 5 text models and having the "Auto Model" preselected work? The auto model automatically routes to the best suited model, which I think for most people would frankly just work. So we could make it so that if you land on the website you're shown the "simple" version, you can go to "advanced mode" where we show all models for you (which is 200+ at this point). FYI we also have a model recommender which I think maybe does what you want - input a prompt or description and it recommends which model to use (and why). > Finally, and a bit of a long shot... Are you looking for investors? Not really since we're quite profitable and don't necessarily need it, but we've been considering it a bit lately because it could help us grow even faster. We also need to decide on, if we do go for investors, whether we do it through a token of sorts since we're crypto native and that feels like a great way to allow anyone to invest, or whether we go the VC route (we've had quite a bit of VC interest so far which we've been turning down). Awesome to even have you inquire about it by the way - I love that we're building something that others also think is valuable.

SpontaneousDream

In crypto, and in tech-investing in general- there's a common theme: **own the app, not the platform.** What does this mean? It means that what you want to own, in the end, is **killer apps**, not the protocols or platforms that power them. Killer apps accrue value, not the middleware or backends that power them. There are so many quotes from well-known players in crypto/tech/investing that espouse this idea, but I love these two below: >“The best products win, not the best protocols.” -Chris Dixon, A16z. Chris was the guy who initially said this back in 2016, challenging the "fat protocols" thesis. >“You want to be the front-end that people love, not just the back-end they forget.” -Balaji Srinivasan, OG VC/Bitcoiner & former CTO of Coinbase Imo, and I know this is unpopular here, but there are SO many protocols out there today that are just...protocols. Sure, they have apps on top of them, but the protocols don't accrue value directly from these apps. The protocols just power them in the background.

zzeekip

It's important for me. And the fact that it has been a top10 coin for years, it's probably important for other people. There is a big cardano community on twitter/x. On reddit, not so much. And the activity on the Cardano chain is real, not bots like sui, sol and other VC coins. Cardano has never been halted or offline. It's a good chain, not yet the most popular. But hey, you don't have to buy it, but you are certainly welcome.

jawni

>For better or worse, Cardano is a non-VC, organic chain. It had a pretty egalitarian launch in terms of the initial token distribution, at least compared to many chains, and has always had a culture of small holders being important. VCs are not inherently bad. VCs can also buy into any project on the secondary market. The villification of VCs here is so misguided. >For the Cardano community, it's about maintaining control; they don't want big VC and centralized stablecoin money to come in and take over their chain, even if it means no moon. That's cool, just don't come here shilling it based on qualities that have been proven to not move the needle over the last near decade. >Growth has been slow due to the measure twice, cut once philosophy but it is occurring. There are homegrown fiat stablecoins on Cardano now, such as USDM, as well as over-collateralized stables and other synthetics. All the usual Defi facilities exist. USDM is barely *stable* and barely even has a supply worth mentioning. The "Defi facilities exist" and that's about all they do, none of them are doing anything impressive usage wise and average fees on Cardano are already high despite the low usage.

The-John-Galt-Line

For better or worse, Cardano is a non-VC, organic chain. It had a pretty egalitarian launch in terms of the initial token distribution, at least compared to many chains, and has always had a culture of small holders being important. For the Cardano community, it's about maintaining control; they don't want big VC and centralized stablecoin money to come in and take over their chain, even if it means no moon. Growth has been slow due to the measure twice, cut once philosophy but it is occurring. There are homegrown fiat stablecoins on Cardano now, such as USDM, as well as over-collateralized stables and other synthetics. All the usual Defi facilities exist. And I think that tight knit community is why Cardano is still in the top 10, holders just don't leave

jawni

>VC are launching different protocols all the time trying to enrich themselves, some project even do it with DAG technology similar to Nano. These projects have ICO and make sure they keep most of the supply themselves. Tell me how many of them don't have smart contracts. All DAG chains have deviated from Nano's path. You didn't really think about that aspect did you? >Tell me of these thousands of other assets that are worth sending around, that are not MEME coins or Fiat currency disguised as crypto? Well *you* think they're all worthless, like I've shown you, most other people do not. Keep sticking with your beliefs if you want, but you do understand that you're in the vast minority, right? >Just because price has decrease since 2017 does not mean its forgotten. I think becoming a largely used cryptocurrency with a lot of user will take time, mostly because u have the chicken and egg problem. If no one accept Nano for services then there is no reason to have it, and if no one has it then there is no reason to accept it. So adoption has to start somewhere and this is a very hard thing to achieve. The price action of Nano in 2017 when it did a 1000x in 4 months and reach a price of $30 was not because it used by a lot of people as a peer to peer currency, it was mostly just because price increase and people got hyped which caused price to increase even more + low liquidity since it was on small unknown exchanges. And how is this chicken and the egg situation magically going to solve itself? >I think if the digital money narrative takes of, then Nano is probably the best crypto to have. I also don't think 10 years is a long time for adoption. It's made near zero process so far, what makes you think that changes?

RefrigeratorLow1259

Do we really need another VC backed L1? Especially an EVM one with a limited set of validators, 39?!

zztopsthetop

The same kind of people that thought we needed 20 different VC sponsored alternative layer 1s in 2021 and 15 vc funded layer 2s.

NFTbyND

Because the fundamentals are rock solid, we will solve the blockchain trilemma early 2026 and have over 10k tps, and btc defi is in development and will take off this year. Also, we grow without VC backed growth. Our growth is organic and without bots.

craly

> I didn't mean an exact 1:1 copy, but even if they did that, they still absolutely could make a shitload of money by launching a non-profit foundation to govern a Nano-like copycat chain. The non-profit distinction just means the foundation isn't for profit, but as founders/insiders/whatever, they would make shit loads of money from the allocations during the TGE. VC are launching different protocols all the time trying to enrich themselves, some project even do it with DAG technology similar to Nano. These projects have ICO and make sure they keep most of the supply themselves. >And with Nano, you sacrifice the ability to send anything other than XNO. You either can send XNO and only XNO for free, or you can send literally **thousands** of other assets, including what is literally the most popular asset on the planet USD, for a fraction of a cent, along with having robust programmability and interoperability and integrations that reach far more vastly than Nano could dream of. >If the tech was as promising as a bunch of redditors seem to think it is, then there would be at least one opportunistic group trying to usurp it. Tell me of these thousands of other assets that are worth sending around, that are not MEME coins or Fiat currency disguised as crypto? Smart contract and programmability is most overrated and unessecery feature of most cryptocurrencies, it only creates more bloat, imo. >I'm not asking rhetorically, like in 2017-18, you might think "oh it's waay faster and cheaper than everyone else and it's pretty new, good chance it takes off!" and that would make a lot of sense. But years later it's largely forgotten about and it's relative strengths are objectively not as impressive as before due to improvements from competitors. So shouldn't you be far less bullish on it now? And if you still think that investment thesis is sound, then at what point would you admit you're wrong? I Just because price has decrease since 2017 does not mean its forgotten. I think becoming a largely used cryptocurrency with a lot of user will take time, mostly because u have the chicken and egg problem. If no one accept Nano for services then there is no reason to have it, and if no one has it then there is no reason to accept it. So adoption has to start somewhere and this is a very hard thing to achieve. The price action of Nano in 2017 when it did a 1000x in 4 months and reach a price of $30 was not because it used by a lot of people as a peer to peer currency, it was mostly just because price increase and people got hyped which caused price to increase even more + low liquidity since it was on small unknown exchanges. I think if the digital money narrative takes of, then Nano is probably the best crypto to have. I also don't think 10 years is a long time for adoption.

jawni

Be that as it may, it doesn't really change anything or discredit my point at all. Many coin have unsustainable rallies and many coins are more robust then they were half a decade ago. And in the case of Nano, the benefits it used to offer are severely and objectively marginalized. Free txns were quite the selling point when most people were paying anywhere from $10-$100 on BTC or ETH, but with scaling solutions and newer L1's, now instead of saving $10, you're saving a fraction of a cent, and the same goes for the speed, as many chains have sub-second block times now. I've been a holder since the Raiblocks times, but it's always been a long shot and is even more of a long shot now. The biggest implication against it's success is the lack of a VC copycat IMO, if it really offered as much promise as people here seem to think(and lets be honest, outside of this subreddit, no one really is bullish on it and this subreddit is the lowest of the low when it comes to expertise), then you'd see other groups launching similar chains with major backing. Much the same way we've seen a plethora of Bitcoin forks, or EVM chains launch and even some SVM chains now too. But no one has any interest in funding a Nano competitor.

PrestigiousLoad6098

Kaspa. There are a lot of Kaspians that are technologically literate and seem to be in the project because of how true it is to Nakamoto principles. They celebrate the fact it's fair launch and had minimal VC input. Feels like the BTC community of old.

MrTheums

This sounds absolutely APE-s**hit** crazy, in the best possible way! Love the "forget utility, remember instinct" vibe. Seriously digging the anti-VC sentiment – tired of waiting for permission slips from the big boys. My question is: what's the actual *mechanism* behind $TUGGIN? Is it a DAO, a DeFi protocol, or something else entirely? Understanding the underlying tech is key before we send this to the moon! Also, what's the tokenomics like? Knowing the emission schedule and distribution is crucial for assessing long-term viability. Let's get some DD flowing, apes! WAGMI!

SoggyGrayDuck

As long as they keep enough reserves for a 80% BTC pullback. It's entirely possible we move away from the boom and bust cycles. Especially with all the VC money and the games they play with the markets but something like tether going under would be impossible to prevent a crash.

SunDreamShineDay

I’ll add a few So one day a few years ago I wanted to see what companies globally didn’t care about the SEC’s case and signed up with Ripple after they were sued by the SEC, so I put together a list that ranged from 2020-2023, all say XRP is being used. This isn’t a complete list from that time period, and there have been many since, but here are a few I put together, and these are some key corridors across continents. >SBI Remit said that it had expanded its services using Ripple’s XRP to bank accounts in the Philippines, Vietnam and Indonesia. By leveraging XRP as a bridge currency and partnering with its affiliate SBI VC Trade, SBI Remit aims for faster and cheaper money transfers that can boost adoption of XRP in target markets. SBI Remit and Ripple are eyeing these Southeast Asian markets because of their growing remittance flows. https://www.kapronasia.com/blockchain-research-menu-item/sbi-leans-further-into-digital-assets.html >Ripple’s cross-border payments technology is used by enterprises, and its clients are primarily banks, payments services providers and other fintechs. The overall payment volume on its payments network RippleNet exceeds $15 billion, and its global ODL volume has grown ninefold year-on-year. ”We have seen a lot of interest in our services in MENA. We have partnerships with several leading banks in the region, including with SABB in Saudi Arabia and QNB in Qatar. We are also working with local payments service providers such as Pyypl and LuLu Money, which are using Ripple’s [ODL] crypto solution to facilitate global movements between different currencies,” Gupta said. https://www.zawya.com/en/markets/currencies/interview-ripple-bullish-on-mena-expansion-to-cash-in-on-crypto-payments-surge-h57fzchx >LuLu Exchange, Ripple’s business partner based in the UAE, has formed a strategic alliance with (Mbank), the acclaimed first fully integrated virtual bank in the United Arab Emirates. LuLu is an early adopter of XRP, implementing business solutions via Ripple’s On-Demand Liquidity (ODL) service (now Ripple Payments). In a previous press statement, the Managing Director of LuLu Financial Holdings, Adeeb Ahamed, disclosed that Ripple’s ODL facility played a pivotal role in enhancing its fund management capabilities within the APAC region, all while adhering to the established regulatory guidelines. https://thecryptobasic.com/2023/11/02/uaes-al-maryah-bank-selects-ripple-odl-partner-for-cross-border-transfer/ >Filipino banking firm, ChinaBank has joined forces with Qatar National Bank (QNB) to facilitate direct transfer from Qatar to the Philippines using the RippleNet payment solution. With Ripple’s On-Demand Liquidity (ODL), both banks can enable instant settlements using XRP, doing away with the need for conventional correspondent banking relationships and the costs and delays that go along with them. https://coingape.com/ripple-expands-further-in-europe-xrp-price-rally/ >Ripple the leading provider of enterprise blockchain and cryptocurrency solutions for global payments, announced today the launch of RippleNet’s first live On-Demand Liquidity (ODL) service implementation in Japan, in collaboration with SBI Remit Co., Ltd, the largest money transfer provider in Japan. With ODL now available in Japan, RippleNet customers can leverage the digital asset XRP to eliminate pre-funding and reduce operational costs, unlocking capital and fuel the expansion of their payments businesses. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20210727006246/en/Ripple-Launches-On-Demand-Liquidity-with-SBI-Remit-to-Accelerate-and-Grow-Cross-Border-Payments-from-Japan >Ripple has launched RippleNet’s On-Demand Liquidity (ODL) in Brazil with Travelex Bank, the first bank in Latin America to utilize ODL. Travelex is the first bank registered and approved by the Central Bank of Brazil to operate exclusively in foreign exchange. By utilizing XRP, a digital asset ideal for payments, Ripple’s ODL solution allows customers to send money across borders instantly with very low-cost settlement and without the need to hold pre-funded capital in the destination market. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220818005147/en/Ripple-Launches-Crypto-enabled-Enterprise-Payments-in-Brazil-With-Travelex-Bank >Ripple has announced a partnership with FINCI, the Lithuanian online international money transfer provider, to deliver instant and cost-effective retail remittances and business to business (B2B) payments via RippleNet’s On-Demand Liquidity (ODL), which leverages XRP for crypto-enabled cross border payments. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220518005134/en/Ripple-and-FINCI-Introduce-the-Benefits-of-On-Demand-Liquidity-to-Lithuania >Morningstar, a financial information services subsidiary of Japanese financial giant SBI Group, will continue its XRP shareholder benefits program. The new dividend payout option comes as part of the company’s year-end reward program to thank its shareholders for their continued support in addition to interim shareholder benefits. Under the program, Morningstar will provide XRP rewards of 2,500 Japanese yen ($23) units per 100 shares owned by shareholders as of March 31, 2021. https://cointelegraph.com/news/sbi-holdings-subsidiary-continues-xrp-benefit-program >Ripple partners MFS Africa. The partnership will allow MFS Africa to make use of Ripple’s on-demand liquidity to streamline real-time mobile payments for customers in 35 countries. In contrast to a legacy payment infrastructure that’s prone to errors and needs an average of 3 to 5 days to settle international transactions that involve multiple parties, ODL leverages Ripple’s XRP token to act as a bridge between two fiat currencies. This allows the system to ultimately settle payments in local currency at the payment destination in a matter of seconds. ODL corridors now exist in Europe, the Philippines, Australia, Japan and Africa thanks to its recent partnership with MFS Africa. https://thepaypers.com/mobile-payments/ripple-partners-mfs-africa-to-streamline-real-time-mobile-payments—1259214

aaaanoon

Has VC funding = avoid

JustStopppingBye

Few reasons why imo (obviously). Crypto market is still driven by hype (scams that do nothing but pump for no reason) not fundamentals. Its also not VC-owned, so it lacks the artificial pumps, coordinated narratives, and liquidity games that other tokens get (cough hyper and sui cough). Its a long term infrastructure play.

SunDreamShineDay

Do you think banks and Payment companies are not using Ripple and XRP? So one day a few years ago I wanted to see what companies globally didn't care about the SEC's case and signed up with Ripple after they were sued by the SEC, so I put together a list that ranged from 2020-2023, all say XRP is being used. This isn't a complete list from that time period, and there have been many since, but here are a few I put together, and these are some key corridors across continents. >SBI Remit said that it had expanded its services using Ripple’s XRP to bank accounts in the Philippines, Vietnam and Indonesia. By leveraging XRP as a bridge currency and partnering with its affiliate SBI VC Trade, SBI Remit aims for faster and cheaper money transfers that can boost adoption of XRP in target markets. SBI Remit and Ripple are eyeing these Southeast Asian markets because of their growing remittance flows. https://www.kapronasia.com/blockchain-research-menu-item/sbi-leans-further-into-digital-assets.html >Ripple’s cross-border payments technology is used by enterprises, and its clients are primarily banks, payments services providers and other fintechs. The overall payment volume on its payments network RippleNet exceeds $15 billion, and its global ODL volume has grown ninefold year-on-year. ”We have seen a lot of interest in our services in MENA. We have partnerships with several leading banks in the region, including with SABB in Saudi Arabia and QNB in Qatar. We are also working with local payments service providers such as Pyypl and LuLu Money, which are using Ripple’s [ODL] crypto solution to facilitate global movements between different currencies,” Gupta said. https://www.zawya.com/en/markets/currencies/interview-ripple-bullish-on-mena-expansion-to-cash-in-on-crypto-payments-surge-h57fzchx >LuLu Exchange, Ripple’s business partner based in the UAE, has formed a strategic alliance with (Mbank), the acclaimed first fully integrated virtual bank in the United Arab Emirates. LuLu is an early adopter of XRP, implementing business solutions via Ripple’s On-Demand Liquidity (ODL) service (now Ripple Payments). In a previous press statement, the Managing Director of LuLu Financial Holdings, Adeeb Ahamed, disclosed that Ripple’s ODL facility played a pivotal role in enhancing its fund management capabilities within the APAC region, all while adhering to the established regulatory guidelines. https://thecryptobasic.com/2023/11/02/uaes-al-maryah-bank-selects-ripple-odl-partner-for-cross-border-transfer/ >Filipino banking firm, ChinaBank has joined forces with Qatar National Bank (QNB) to facilitate direct transfer from Qatar to the Philippines using the RippleNet payment solution. With Ripple’s On-Demand Liquidity (ODL), both banks can enable instant settlements using XRP, doing away with the need for conventional correspondent banking relationships and the costs and delays that go along with them. https://coingape.com/ripple-expands-further-in-europe-xrp-price-rally/ >Ripple the leading provider of enterprise blockchain and cryptocurrency solutions for global payments, announced today the launch of RippleNet’s first live On-Demand Liquidity (ODL) service implementation in Japan, in collaboration with SBI Remit Co., Ltd, the largest money transfer provider in Japan. With ODL now available in Japan, RippleNet customers can leverage the digital asset XRP to eliminate pre-funding and reduce operational costs, unlocking capital and fuel the expansion of their payments businesses. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20210727006246/en/Ripple-Launches-On-Demand-Liquidity-with-SBI-Remit-to-Accelerate-and-Grow-Cross-Border-Payments-from-Japan >Ripple has launched RippleNet’s On-Demand Liquidity (ODL) in Brazil with Travelex Bank, the first bank in Latin America to utilize ODL. Travelex is the first bank registered and approved by the Central Bank of Brazil to operate exclusively in foreign exchange. By utilizing XRP, a digital asset ideal for payments, Ripple’s ODL solution allows customers to send money across borders instantly with very low-cost settlement and without the need to hold pre-funded capital in the destination market. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220818005147/en/Ripple-Launches-Crypto-enabled-Enterprise-Payments-in-Brazil-With-Travelex-Bank >Ripple has announced a partnership with FINCI, the Lithuanian online international money transfer provider, to deliver instant and cost-effective retail remittances and business to business (B2B) payments via RippleNet’s On-Demand Liquidity (ODL), which leverages XRP for crypto-enabled cross border payments. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220518005134/en/Ripple-and-FINCI-Introduce-the-Benefits-of-On-Demand-Liquidity-to-Lithuania >Morningstar, a financial information services subsidiary of Japanese financial giant SBI Group, will continue its XRP shareholder benefits program. The new dividend payout option comes as part of the company’s year-end reward program to thank its shareholders for their continued support in addition to interim shareholder benefits. Under the program, Morningstar will provide XRP rewards of 2,500 Japanese yen ($23) units per 100 shares owned by shareholders as of March 31, 2021. https://cointelegraph.com/news/sbi-holdings-subsidiary-continues-xrp-benefit-program >Ripple partners MFS Africa. The partnership will allow MFS Africa to make use of Ripple’s on-demand liquidity to streamline real-time mobile payments for customers in 35 countries. In contrast to a legacy payment infrastructure that’s prone to errors and needs an average of 3 to 5 days to settle international transactions that involve multiple parties, ODL leverages Ripple’s XRP token to act as a bridge between two fiat currencies. This allows the system to ultimately settle payments in local currency at the payment destination in a matter of seconds. ODL corridors now exist in Europe, the Philippines, Australia, Japan and Africa thanks to its recent partnership with MFS Africa. https://thepaypers.com/mobile-payments/ripple-partners-mfs-africa-to-streamline-real-time-mobile-payments--1259214

craly

It was never the goal of Nano Foundation to profit of the Development of Nano. It was made as a non-profit, so it was always in the card that once the origianl developer fund went dry it would have to be developed the way Linux works. Trustable would have been great if regulation had not put a stopper in its path. Recenty i saw Duncan made a commed about Nano on r/cryptocurrency [https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1j6epav/comment/mgo4uk4/?context=3&utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1j6epav/comment/mgo4uk4/?context=3&utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) Hopefully they will try again with something like Trustable. Nano would be the perfect tech for running stable coins or commodity trading. Commerical grade is good marketing term. Now the protocol is as the stage were it is really robust. *-I can find you 1000 examples of dead chains that continue to have small development teams pushing updates for a handful of bagholders that still believe."* This comment is not relevant to nano as its acticly developed, no matter how much you want Nano to be dead the community will still keep developing and pushing its tech and its adoption. *-There are just so many projects that do what Nano does, do it better, are more decentralized, have cheaper node costs, have node incentives, more partnerships, more funding that it doesn't have a single prayer of ever breaking through.* No there is not. Nano has a fully distributed supply and no more coins can be created, this mean it has no inflation. Nano is the only working feeless currency, this is due to how the priority machnisme has been implemented. Nano is so light weight that anyone can run a Nano node. Nano is instantly setteled with an average of 0.35 seconds settlement time. Nano had no VC funding and set out on a mission to create a crypto that could be used by everyone and was for everyone. Nano is the only cryptocurrency that has manged to create a protocol that has fully removed middlemen (miner and stakers) enriching themself. Nano proved that a crypto does not need to enrich the middlemen to secure the network. Infact it has proven that by removing rewards to validators via transaction fees and coin distribution(inflation) it is becoming decenralised then if it has choosen a model that would reward middlemen.

friendsandmodels

Please trash on my shitcoin! I may be delusional about this one so please tell me what you think and if possible find as many red flags as you can! Because i honestly dont see anything bad despite the usual risk for new projects. So this one is a base token, not a meme coin, called create. Currently it sits at \~500k mcap and rank #4400 - that alone is interesting What's more is, they are heavily involved with buildonbase and host a weekly episode there. Also I should mention it was fairlaunch so no VC or ICO can dump Jesse Pollak (lead dev of Base) is supporting this and they have a few real life events where they are present, for example the Licensing Expo recently and the NFTNYC 2025 in New York. Even better, they are official Partners of the Clankercon. Clankercon itself is a metaverse event involved and backed by Farcaster. Guest Speakers will be e.g. Jesse Pollak as well as former Coinbase VP. Source: (Keep in mind that the date for Clankercon has been delayed) [https://x.com/BasedCreators/status/1915516460245409868](https://x.com/BasedCreators/status/1915516460245409868) [https://x.com/RSKAGY/status/1915891999242154404](https://x.com/RSKAGY/status/1915891999242154404) I think the chart speaks for itself, there's never been a big dump and top wallets have only been buying - everyone expects big things in the future. There's also some speculation on my part: [https://x.com/CryptoStatuette/status/1911087725437915246](https://x.com/CryptoStatuette/status/1911087725437915246) (Coinbase Wallet Integration maybe?) For example see how base itself features create's Logo here: [https://x.com/base/status/1914782434476105804](https://x.com/base/status/1914782434476105804) Coincidence? I think not. Something defenitely is brewing. I can only imagine what will happen when Clankercon happens and marketing actually starts...

pickleBoy2021

Crypto is tribal. Everyone in crypto trying to recruit. Stay away from KOL’s on YouTube. Don’t take candy from strangers. BTC goes down the whole market drips harder. If you are thinking about XRP and like the community. go to Bitcoin. Cause if your going to join a cult join the one with no VC’s, foundation, teams looking to vest. If you want that buy stocks.

aminok

Nonsense, Ethereum has far and away the most advanced technology in crypto, and any project outside of Ethereum is at best a long-shot fueled by VC ambitions. Let's go through tangible metrics: Ethereum mainnet supports 21.3 TPS, and blob-enabled rollups now push that to 125+ TPS — all while preserving Ethereum’s base-layer security and verifiability. No other protocol scales with this level of trustlessness. Competing chains boost TPS by sacrificing verifiability — offloading consensus or requiring privileged hardware, see [chart](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gn7IW8MawAAX892?format=png&name=900x900). The idea that high-TPS chains have "better tech" for parallel execution is also outdated. MegaETH — a high-performance Ethereum scalability solution — brings true parallelism and high throughput to the EVM, secured by ETH via EigenLayer and EigenDA. On execution, MegaETH now outpaces all so-called high-scalability virtual machines, [see chart](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gn7KzFBasAAg7ro?format=jpg&name=large). On data availability, EigenDA already exceeds the capacity of every competing DA solution. When it comes to DeFi security and tooling, the EVM has always been unmatched — as Aave founder Stani Kulechov points out in this interview with Laura Shin: https://x.com/laurashin/status/1889419716453601501 And on client software, Ethereum leads by a wide margin. No other chain comes close to its level of client diversity — a key factor in decentralization and network resilience. To elaborate: Ethereum is the only blockchain with client diversity across both the consensus and execution layer. No single client dominates execution or consensus. [See chart.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gsl5DDuWIAAmuB0?format=jpg&name=medium) At this point, the EVM and Ethereum stack offer: • The most secure virtual machine with the strongest developer tooling • The most decentralized and verifiable network architecture • The most scalable modular tech stack — across execution, settlement, and data availability — without compromising decentralization Despite cutting corners everywhere, other chains cannot come close to Ethereum on any metric.

SoggyGrayDuck

Yep the next hard fork to solve quantum computer risks is going to be an opportunity for VC to sneak in whatever they want into the code like they do for legal bills

Hitchie_Rawtin

It's true. Some coins have been so hyped they've led to a 20,000x for initial investors & VCs, they'd be idiots not to dump that as soon as the coins were vested. I don't know why people were buying those coins at genesis at 20,000x the VC price, that sounds like their own stupidity but they stay very bitter about it.

EngineeredStocks

ADA Cardano Has the best technology and potential. Lot people hate on the low volume on dex but its cuz there is no VC doing fake trade to pump volume. But just do your research and you will see the benefits of Cardano

pibbleberrier

Yes Defi is Alive and well. The issue is yall were betting on DAO tokens thinking you guys are actual “stockholder” The real sustainable gains comes from using the protocol not being VC investor’s exist liquidity

SmoothGoing

Rich college dropout Bro, born to traditional banking parents and grandparents, in his boyfriend's oversized hoodie is like: 1. Families are in debt. Govts are in debt. Housing debt, edu debt, transportation debt, credit card debt. It's a burden. 2. Bitcoin is great, hodl was a forum post, collateralize is a word I lurn'd. Cash flow is a term I still don't understand. 3. I don't have any dollars, cause I can live a nice life off VC dollars the company got. 4. Remember the debt burden I started talking about? Solution is - go in debt to "my" (VC owns it all) company!

SoggyGrayDuck

Yes there's a guaranteed hard fork in the future and it should be one of the bigger topics due to how much power VC has now and can throw behind their pick.

pickleBoy2021

Crypto is tribal. Do your own research(DYOR). Everyone will onboard you into their own shit like this. 👆. Avoid YouTube. They get paid to onboard you. BTC drives the industry. There are no boards, foundations, or VC’s. It’s the dog thar drives the industry. There are blue chips and cults. Avoid cults.

Aconyminomicon

Lol dude i have been coding smart contracts on Hedera for a few years and I am well aware of algorand. If you like a centralized VC funded chain that really has one use case, which is the same as XRP, then yeah Algorand is the play. The future is Hedera and the virtually unlimited amount of use cases being created on it right now. Also, Hedera has more developers and just did an equally large hackathon using AI Agents for SC's.

MaximumStudent1839

Can’t believe you write up contradictions all over the place and don’t realize it. How can you call say your alt is “serious” and has “solid tech” but mentions Cardano and “provided solutions to non-existent” problems in the same thread? Crypto’s best use case is SoV. Alts gone to trash because most wrapped themselves as fintech and ETH fell into this VC narrative trash too.

Ok_Relationship_1753

You should’ve posted this on Crypto Reddit, not Bitcoin. Bitcoin and crypto are not the same , they don’t share the same culture or way of thinking. Bitcoin is a new monetary system a sound form of money that no one can devalue or debase. It allows people to save in a stable and predictable way. Bitcoiners see it as a long-term store of value and protection from the flaws of fiat currency. Crypto, on the other hand, is mostly a scam industry where founders and VC capitalists dump their bags on retail investors people constantly searching for the “next Bitcoin.” It’s driven by speculation, with traders trying to make more fiat money, Crypto people not understanding the fundamental difference between Bitcoin and crypto space. Crypto is actually just fiat, while Bitcoin is the alternative to fiat.

Squirrel_McNutz

This is valid. New alt coins are coming onto the market with absolutely massive valuations and horrible VC vesting schedules. There is no point being early - it only leads to getting dumped on.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; KAT is the native token of the Katana ecosystem, designed to align users and core apps through a decentralized model. With a total supply of 10 billion, KAT is non-transferable until February 20, 2026, or earlier. It powers the ecosystem by enabling holders to earn fees and direct incentives via vKAT, a voting token. The tokenomics prioritize community participation, with no pre-sales or VC investors. KAT will support liquidity, incentivize users, and drive sustainable growth through a modified ve(3,3) model, benefiting the entire DeFi ecosystem on Katana. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

splinternista

The reason is that Ledger is a very bad hardware wallet. Its firmware is closed source, so nobody can verify what the firmware actually does.. They can, without your permission, steal all the funds from your hardware wallet.If you use Ledger, it’s basically the same as keeping your funds on some exchange. Another important point is that it’s a shitcoin wallet , it supports a huge number of scam tokens (shitcoins). Supporting so many shitcoins increases the chance of bugs and attack vectors. This is completely immoral because almost all shitcoins are created by founders and VC capitalists with the goal of dumping their bags on naive and uninformed retail investors. Crypto has nothing to do with Bitcoin, but naive people or those who haven’t deeply researched fall into the trap of thinking everything is the same and that Bitcoin is just one of many cryptos. People easily fall into this trap, and Ledger participates in this scam and exploits people. There are so many good Bitcoin-only wallets.Check out Coldcard, Blockstream Jade, BitKey, Passport Foundation, and other Bitcoin-only wallets.

CunningStunt_1

I am incredibly suspicious of hyperliquid and it's VC backers.

mwdeuce

THIS, Joe Lubin has been the biggest holder of ETH next to Vitalik since the ICO, he's a dime-a-dozen VC rat, not even remotely in the same league as Saylor, who was a bitcoin skeptic at first. This article is hilariously aimed at noobs who have no idea what they bought.

Easy-Dust-3129

well, give it a taste I would say. snektimeline.com. SNEK is different than the common do nothing memecoin in the centralized VC chains