MEV

oak1337

You say I’m "redefining" things, but I’m just looking at the scoreboard. You’ve admitted Ethereum is failing its own "trustless" goals. Now you’re just arguing that intent matters more than results. You’re evaluating a centralized, leader based, and permissionless Ethereum, based on a dream from 10 years ago that has turned into a $100k entry fee nightmare, where users get robbed by MEV kings. **Again, it has a Nakamoto score of 2, which is literally 1 step away from being an SQL database with a million spectators.** Amazing to be that centralized with 1.1 million validators (13,000 nodes), right? Experiment over. Failed. Once you're that centralized, there's no un-fucking it. Not to mention it can't scale and isn't ABFT. I’m evaluating a decentralized, leaderless and permissioned Hedera based on Mainnet code that has delivered the most fair, most secure, high-speed performance in the history of computer science. Nakamoto score of 11, which only increases as any nodes are added (equal node consensus power). ABFT at unlimited scale is the end game of DLT. Rolling out permissionless in a methodical fashion, while guaranteeing decentralization along the way, is practical and necessary. Ironically Ethereum also started permissioned and moved to permissionless, but didn't have a strong foundation and didn't implement a good plan for obtaining true decentralization. It failed. 2015 Canary "Centralized" Contracts, 2016 DAO Hack & Centralized Fork, "Difficulty Bombs" for coerced centralized governance, 72 million centralized Genesis ETH Distribution. All factors in ETHs current Nakamoto score of 2. Leader based systems like ETH can add as many nodes as they want, whenever they want, because there's only 1 leader at a time, and the most important leaders already hold all the power. They don't care what you do, your node is literally a paperweight. You are really a spectator, not an actual contributer. Hedera is leaderless, so you don't just add nodes willy-nilly otherwise you unnecessarily increase Time To Finality for no reason. It's a Gossip protocol, where every node participates in every transaction. You add nodes when you need to scale. When you add enough nodes, you shard. You keep sharding as needed by TPS demands, or other demands, like the need for your nodes to be within your country bounds by law (banks, etc). Again this is already coming into action, the DAB is already live today. It officially removed the "manual gatekeeping" of node account IDs. Block Nodes tested this month. They are preparing for imminent scale, likely having to do with CLARITY Act regs on the horizon. While membership to the Council is gated, membership to community and permissionless nodes is now ready for implementation as required by TPS or other demands.

oak1337

Hedera didn't "sidestep" the problem, it simply took a more disciplined engineering approach to solving it. Unlimited scalability, solved. Best mathematically possible security ABFT, solved. Permissionless roll out, measured. You’re still clinging to the idea that 'trying to be trustless' is better than 'being mathematically fair.' Your rust analogy is backwards. Ethereum is an iron car that’s rusting (NC of 2, billions lost to MEV) and you’re praising it for staying in the snow as the blizzards get worse every year. Hedera didn't 'move to a dry climate', it built the engine out of titanium (ABFT) so it physically cannot rust, regardless of the environment. You say Hedera 'rigged the system' by excluding peers. I say Hedera prioritized the user. Why should a regular user care if a network is 'permissionless' if that network allows a 'leader' to front-run their trade and steal from them? I’d rather have 39 equal global rivals who can’t cheat the math than 2 anonymous whales who can. And the 'fence' you're talking about? It's in the process of coming down as we speak. It’s January 2026 dude. Dynamic Address Book is live. Block Nodes are in community testing this month. Ethereum is trying to fix its foundation while the building is already 100 stories high. Hedera built a foundation that could hold 1,000's stories from day one, and now it’s just opening the doors to the public. You call it a compromise or a sidestep, I call it superior architecture with a measured and mature rollout. GUARANTEED decentralization throughout time.

oak1337

Let's get our definitions correct first. **Decentralization has to do with equally distributed power.** Power is decentralized or centralized. Distributed or concentrated. **Permissioning is about who can participate in validation.** Though to be clear, on Hedera they are more technically "consensus nodes", not "validator nodes". This is because the full group of Hedera nodes comes to leaderless consensus and participates in every transaction equally **(decentralization of power)**. This makes your "voting" analogy above even funnier. Every node has equal weight in the virtual voting of the hashgraph. This is not the case on Ethereum. Ethereum uses a Block Leader, where ONE person **(centralization of power)** is the "king" of that block that validates the transactions in whatever order they choose. Because there is a leader, they can see your transaction in the mempool and intentionally put their own transaction in front of yours (Frontrunning/MEV). This steals billions of dollars from regular users every year. Why would I want a system where the a couple wealthy leaders are allowed to rob me in broad daylight? I’d rather have a system where the math makes it physically impossible for anyone to cut in line. No one can reorder transactions. Fair. You say "anyone can validate the network", but that's not really true is it? It's a different kind of barrier to entry. An economic one. At current prices of ETH and hardware, it's well over $100k if someone just wanted to "join validation" and participate. For 99.9% of the world's population, $100k+ is not "accessible." So it is also a gated community, like Hedera, but a different kind. Hedera's council members are known and accountable corporations, but Ethereum's validators are a "landed group " of anonymous early adopters and whales. Maybe you're right, "anyone can join", **but only a few matter.** You brushed it off rather easily before, but Ethereum’s Nakamoto Coefficient is currently 2. This means that if Lido and Coinbase (the two largest staking entities) colluded, they could control the chain. TWO players. **Centralized power, even though it's permissionless.** **That kind of "decentralization" is purely psychological.** This means after your $100k investment, running a node with 32 ETH in a sea of millions of validators gives you something like 0.00001% of the power (refer above to your voting analogy - this is the same thing as having zero vote). It is "decentralization theater." It makes the user feel like a participant, but they have zero actual influence over consensus or the King Block Leader. So the question is, are you going to spend $100k+ just so you can "verify the chain yourself"? Cause that's all it's good for. And while we're talking about it, you don't need to be a consensus node on Hedera to "verify the chain". Anyone can run a Mirror Node. You don't need permission from the Council. A Mirror Node receives the state of the ledger and allows you to verify that every transaction is legitimate and that the math adds up. You don't need to write to the ledger (Validate) to audit the ledger (Verify). You can prove the Council is being honest without being on the Council. That said though, Hedera is midway though implementing Block Nodes, Block Streams, and Dynamic Address Book. All will be done in 2026. These are all the precursors for permissionless, it's listed next on the "Hedera roadmap". Hedera adds nodes/shards as TPS capacity is needed. When the 10k+ TPS throttle is reaching it's limit, it's time to add more. Add scale, add nodes. It's inevitable if Hedera needs to scale. So the only "maybe" at this point is how much TPS Hedera can capture. Then a permissionless shard can be created and there will be no more FUD left on Hedera. To use your voting analogy one last time: Ethereum is like a country where "anyone can vote", but it costs a $100,000 poll tax to enter the booth, and two giant corporations own 51% of the total ballots anyway. Hedera is currently a constitutional republic where the 39 'governors' are public, rivals to one another, and physically unable to cheat the count because of the math. I’ll take the one where the math prevents the theft every time.

oak1337

Chains architected with MEV and Frontrunning are trash though. Built to be unfair to the users. There's not much nuance to be had. If there's MEV and Frontrunning, it's black and white. The problem is, these properties are FOUNDATIONAL to these chains. It's in the base architecture. Fixing it isn't really an option for these trash chains. All they can do is try to mitigate, minimize, etc, but if it exists, it will be exploited, and it's a financial crime. Trash is trash.

oak1337

Part of the problem is lack of awareness about it. Most people don't realize how unfair these chains are, don't know what MEV is, etc. The Ethereum research community is spending millions of dollars on 'MEV-Boost' and 'Proposer-Builder Separation' to try and mitigate it. Algorand and others are also attempting to minimize it. Because they all know it's a systemic failure. Hedera is just one of the only ones that solved it at the math level. Solana's founders, the Foundation and pump.fun are involved in a class action lawsuit about it right now. MiCA and the European Securities and Markets Authority (ESMA) has labeled MEV activities, particularly frontrunning and "sandwich attacks," as market abuse. Regulators have indicated that trading based on information gleaned from the mempool (where pending transactions sit) is likely to be treated as illegal frontrunning, similar to traditional finance. In the US, the Peraire-Bueno Case was a landmark criminal case where two brothers were charged with wire fraud and money laundering for a $25 million MEV exploit on Ethereum. The CFTC has signaled that while arbitrage is generally legal, "predatory" transaction reordering that harms retail users may violate the Commodity Exchange Act (CEA).

Sea-Environment-5938

This is the uncomfortable truth most crypto people don't want to admit. MEV isn't a "bug," it's an architectural choice and once you accept transaction reordering for profit, you've already abandoned fairness. At that point you're not building neutral infrastructure, you're running a legalized extraction machine.

TheLaw-RBNT

This describes Redbelly Network. Leaderless consensus, MEV, front running and fork proof.

SuggestionSea2882

A lot of anger, not much nuance. MEV is an issue, sure, but it’s not black-and-white and yelling trash chain doesn’t fix it

oak1337

Prop AMMs (like those used by Drift or various "Dark Pools") move the pricing logic off-chain or into "private" smart contracts. The claim is that bots can’t see the price curve, so they can’t calculate a sandwich. The Reality is that you are replacing a Transparent Thief (the MEV bot) with a Secretive Middleman (the Proprietary Market Maker). You now have to trust that the private market maker isn't giving you a worse price than the public market. You've traded a decentralization problem for a "Trust Me, Bro" problem. On Hedera, you don't need 'Proprietary' black boxes or other gimmicks to be safe. Because the network itself orders transactions fairly and leaderlessly, even a standard, transparent Uniswap-style AMM on Hedera is mathematically protected from sandwich attacks.

oak1337

MEV, as the industry defines it, is the ability for a network participant to profit by manipulating the sequence of other people's transactions. Hedera eliminates this. Period. The goal of a DLT is to ensure that once the network receives the transactions, no corrupt middleman (Leader) can change the order for profit. By admitting that Hashgraph removes 'proposer discretion,' you are admitting that it removes the corruptible middleman. That is the only thing a DLT can, and should, mathematically guarantee. Hedera is probably the only network where the architecture itself does not provide the tools for the system operators to rob the users.

Numerous_Wonders81

Removing proposer discretion eliminates the worst MEV vector. It doesn’t mathematically prove the impossibility of all extractable value that would require stronger assumptions than any open network currently makes.

oak1337

If MEV is just an 'economic externality' and not a 'consensus failure,' then why is the Ethereum research community spending millions of dollars on 'MEV-Boost' and 'Proposer-Builder Separation' to try and mitigate it? Why does Algorand attempt to minimize it? Because they all know it's a systemic failure. Hedera is just the only one that solved it at the math level. You're also conflating Market Arbitrage with MEV. If an asset is cheaper on DEX 'A' than DEX 'B', a bot buying on 'A' and selling on 'B' is Arbitrage. That is a healthy economic function that aligns prices across markets. Hedera doesn't stop this, nor should it. MEV specifically refers to **value extracted by manipulating the sequence of transactions** within the ledger itself. In a leader based system (Ethereum, Solana, Algorand), the proposer has the discretion to look at your pending trade and say, "I'm putting my trade in first." When you say MEV is an 'economic externality,' you are hand waving away the fact that the proposer is a thief. Hedera makes this 'mathematically impossible' because no single node (proposer) has the discretion to decide the order. The order is a result of a collective median timestamp. If you can't reorder the transactions, you can't 'extract' value from the sequence. Therefore, the M and E in MEV are eliminated. What's left is just standard market arbitrage, which happens after the fair order is settled.

Numerous_Wonders81

Not disputing that Hashgraph removes proposer discretion. The overreach is claiming that all MEV is “mathematically impossible.” The whitepaper proves safety and fair ordering under standard aBFT assumptions, not the impossibility of all economic extractability under open adversarial conditions. MEV is not a consensus failure; it’s an economic arbitrage that can persist even when consensus is correct, as shown empirically on permissionless systems.

oak1337

MEV is not an "economic externality," it's unfair and a security vulnerability. It is a philosophical failure and the antithesis of a fair global distributed system. Imagine you are waiting in line at a high-end restaurant that has a "First Come, First Served" policy. You are at the front of the line. Just as you step up to take the last available table, a concierge (The Block Leader) sees you. Before seating you, the concierge whispers to a professional "wait-list flipper" standing behind them. That person pays the concierge $20 to jump in front of you. The flipper takes the table, turns around, and offers to sell you the reservation for $50 because they know you’re hungry. Is that the market discovering the true value of the table? Or did the concierge steal your spot in line for personal profit?

Numerous_Wonders81

MEV is not a consensus vulnerability it’s an economic externality of transaction ordering. The Algorand study explicitly shows consensus remains correct while residual backrunning MEV exists. Hedera eliminates ordering-based MEV by constraining consensus participation today; Algorand minimizes it while remaining permissionless. Those are different assumptions, not a contradiction of security principles.

Numerous_Wonders81

Gini/Theil measure distribution within a validator set, not permissionlessness or governance control. Hedera’s fair ordering is real, but it’s reinforced by a permissioned council today. Algorand’s FCFS design demonstrably suppresses proposer-level MEV without restricting participation, as shown in recent MEV studies. These are different trade-offs, not a ranking problem. Hedera minimizes MEV by constraining who participates in consensus. Algorand minimizes trust assumptions by allowing anyone to participate, accepting minimal, non-systemic MEV as the cost. Gini coefficients don’t compare those trade-offs.

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

>Algorand accepts a tiny amount of theoretical MEV risk Let me stop you right there. The following is a quote from the Hedera whitepaper: >Security vulnerabilities and attack vectors shouldn’t be mitigated; they should be eliminated entirely

oak1337

No Hedera being permissioned has no impact on it having zero MEV or Frontrunning. Hedera starts as permissioned and moves to permissionless as it scales and needs more TPS capacity. Add more nodes/shards, add more TPS capacity. Unlimited. Algorand is actually more centralized than Hedera, even though Algorand is permissionless with many nodes. Hedera has a better Gini Coefficient and Theil Index. https://preview.redd.it/yxp1j7g3ifbg1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb1259b1b25b59245c75d21105e0615c67114279

oak1337

Minimizing.... But I'd rather have zero, like with Hedera. Architected so that MEV and Frontrunning are not possible. When MEV and Frontrunning are possible, they will be exploited, and that means unfair chain.

Numerous_Wonders81

Hedera’s MEV elimination comes at the cost of permissioned consensus participation and weaker permissionless guarantees today. Algorand accepts a tiny amount of theoretical MEV risk to preserve fully permissionless consensus and stronger decentralization. Hedera minimizes MEV by constraining who participates in consensus. Algorand minimizes trust by allowing anyone to participate, accepting minimal proposer discretion as the cost. These are different design priorities, not right vs wrong.

Numerous_Wonders81

Algorand is one of the best L1s for minimizing MEV without sacrificing performance.

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

Just a reminder - Hedera is more decentralized than Ethereum, Bitcoin, and other blockchains. In Hedera, we have (up to 39) transparently known collusion-resistant validators, who own the network via LLC, and are located in different countries, under different governments, in different industries, ran on different hardware, building different use cases, term limited, with meeting minutes and meeting attendees made public, treasury reports all public, with no node ever being able to control more than 2.5% of the network, every node participating in every transaction, all transactions fairly ordered with valid timestamps (no MEV), and with the network's entire open-source code donated to a 3rd party for decentralized meritocracy-based development (Linux Foundation). In Ethereum, they have no way to control massive staking providers like Lido, Coinbase, and now even the ETFs which are going to begin staking. It is inevitible they only become more and more centralized over time. Also, in Ethereum they have leaders which means they have frontrunning (MEV); in other words, they give *one validator* the ability to arbitrarily reorder transactions inside the block and profit off of it. This is your "decentralized chain" - allowing one person to steal money from any user on the network. Hedera and $HBAR will win. Don't midcurve this.

Hooftly

https://github.com/EqualFiLabs/EqualFi What if we built protocol that stopped MEV and extraction at the source?

biba8163

> In order for these stable coins to be sent and received they need a way to do it. Ethereum is the way to do it. I mean this is a fact. ETH Maxis really shilled you into believing this? The **stablecoin marketcap has gone up 200% and ETH has gone down -40%** in that time frame. | | Nov. 2021 | Oct. 2025 |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:|:------------:| | Stablecoins | $0.11 Trillion | $0.32 Trillion | ETH | $4,800 | ~$2,900 I've tried to explain that to ETH Maxis MANY times that Ethereum/Tron/Solana/ETH L2s are just competing RAILS for Stablecoins and that they will be forced to remain CHEAP to keep Stablecoin dominance but playing bag holder bingo they never grasped this concept... > in order to compete with other chains, Ethereum will have to scale and that has seen the rise of L2/sidechains which results in loss transaction fees and MEV tips essentially stealing value from ETH. **This essentially turns Ethereum, Solana, BSC, Tron, L2/Sidechains, etc into competing networks for DeFi casinos and rails for StablecCoin transfers where they have to remain cheap** or utility and users will move to competing chains. **(September 2024)** https://np.reddit.com/r/ethfinance/comments/1f9ef5k/daily_general_discussion_september_5_2024/llmkgtm/ ...and what has happened? ETH fees have dropped like 90% and TRON was also forced to make upgrades to slash fees by -60%.

NFTbyND

If you make a transaction, everyone can see it in the blockchain. Some consequences of this are that whales can liquidate other whales, or if you are a solana user, your own validator can MEV attack you to extract your funds. It's why institutions aren't adopting blockchain. Easy example: companies wouldn't want their competitors and employees to see how much assets they have and who they are paying and how much. More advanced examples, mortgages, security lending contracts, medical record transfers, all of these concepts can use blockchain tech for more efficiency. But because there is no privacy on Eth, they won't do it.

RamoneBolivarSanchez

Node count has drastically dropped in the past year from 2500 to 700 because of it being inefficient and too expensive to even breakeven. Not everyone wants to KYC with the Solana Foundation to run a node either, and that’s assuming they have $20,000,000 on hand to even get the validator up and running for 1 year (AND that’s assuming the Solana Foundation helps subsidize fees, which they’ve had to do for years now). Broken tokenomics on top of a low validator count (getting lower by the day) doesn’t equate to good decentralization. I’ve been a SOL holder for 4+ years now but I’m not going to pretend like it has good tokenomics or ever cared about making at home staking feasible do everyday folk. It went with cheap and fast and now it has to deal with the fact it kicked the can down the road, ie validators are dropping like flies. They should’ve focused on building robust validator clients instead of only have agave rust - and they should’ve made the overhead less burdensome. They wanted MEV and quick extraction via slimey infra. People can see it and it is what it is. I’m not selling my bag but I’m not adding to it either 🤷

RamoneBolivarSanchez

Stick with BTC and ETH. Solana is centralized garbage. Only has utility when people wanted to get rugged by a bunch of scams. The lawsuit against the the Solana Foundation, Toly, Mert, Pumpfun, and infra like Jito/Meteora isn’t going to play out well. Solana was built out of crime (FTX) and when that didn’t work, they had to bounce back with MEV attacking retail and coordinating with infra providers to extract liquidity.

Hooftly

To be clear I’m not attacking Aave. They’ve done a lot for the space. My comment was about the design pattern, not intent. What I’m building is a lending system where loans are deterministic contracts. Costs are known up front, and users don’t get liquidated because a price feed moved. Collateral is only lost if someone breaks the loan terms, not due to market volatility. Think Self secured credit. It also allows Peer to Peer Loan agreements between counterparties between any asset. Think a CLOB but for loan agreements. It allows for revolving credit lines as well. Revenue is simple and transparent: small fixed fees for things like opening and closing positions, upfront interest on loans and flashloans . No hidden mechanics, no reliance on liquidations or MEV. The idea is sustainability without needing users to mess up. All this revenue is split between protocol and system participants. Its designed so every flow is visible. Still early, but the goal is boring, predictable finance on-chain that anyone can reason about and see ALL risks up front before making a decision.

Hooftly

This is because a lot of builders are building for greed and extraction. Take Lending for example. Everyone praises AAVE but they literally function by extracting from borrowers through liquidations while feeding MEV and THIS is the gold standard? Nah its gotta change or yes we did just build Tradfi in a fucking hoodie. Im building in this space for the right reasons and if you are too I want to talk yo you. It is not too late.

RefrigeratorLow1259

Solana is monolithic garbage, it's only use is retail gambling and losing to it's colluding MEV extraction - also becoming centralised, It's not built for institutional use cases that require top notch security.

Fancy_Palpitation_38

Secret Network (SCRT) is one of the few blockchain projects focused on true privacy at the smart-contract level — it lets developers and users build and interact with dApps where inputs, outputs, and state are encrypted by default, unlocking real use cases that public chains can’t support.  This isn’t just about hiding transactions — it’s about protecting financial data, identities, and sensitive logic in DeFi, NFTs, gaming, and beyond. That means MEV resistance, front-running protection, and private DeFi interactions right on-chain.  Secret also enables privacy for tokens from other blockchains through Secret Bridges and the SNIP-20 standard, so assets from ETH, BNB, and more can become privacy-preserving in Secret’s ecosystem.  SCRT itself has real utility — it’s used for network fees, staking (security + rewards), and governance, meaning holders can help shape the future of the protocol.  In an age where data privacy is increasingly valued but rarely delivered on public blockchains, Secret Network represents a unique and growing niche in Web3 — and that’s why more people need to pay attention to SCRT now.

MinimalGravitas

That's actually a surprisingly good article, with a pretty good summary of what Proposer-Builder Separation means and why you want it: > Under ePBS, block builders would assemble blocks and cryptographically seal their contents, while proposers would simply choose the highest-paying block without being able to see or tamper with what’s inside. The transactions would only be revealed after the block is finalized, reducing opportunities for manipulation and abuse related to MEV As always though, the best place to keep up to date with Ethereum upgrades, how development is going and what different EIPs actually mean for you, is Forkcast (put out by the Ethereum Foundation's protocol support team): https://forkcast.org/upgrade/glamsterdam

CriticalCobraz

**Ethereum's Glamsterdam Upgrade Overview** Ethereum developers are planning a major 2026 upgrade called "Glamsterdam" — a combination of two simultaneous upgrades across Ethereum's execution layer (Amsterdam) and consensus layer (Gloas). **Key Features:** * **ePBS (Enshrined Proposer-Builder Separation)**: The centerpiece that will separate block builders from block proposers at the protocol level, reducing reliance on centralized off-chain relays. Builders will cryptographically seal block contents before proposers select them, preventing transaction manipulation and addressing MEV (maximal extractable value) fairness issues. * **Block-level Access Lists**: An optimization allowing blocks to pre-declare which accounts and smart-contract data they'll access, enabling faster and more efficient block execution with more predictable gas costs. The full scope hasn't been finalized yet, with additional Ethereum Improvement Proposals (EIPs) to be selected in coming weeks. No specific launch date is set, but developers are targeting sometime in 2026.

Glad-Issue4297

It really does look like a deliberate risk control mechanism baked into the MEV bot framework to keep outcomes consistent and exposure low over time.

PixelPirate_2024

I’ve been counting profits for months, fast withdrawals, nice daily income. Calling it Ponzi shows a lack of understanding of MEV bots.

SimpleMhie4667

 I think yes, it's a deliberate risk control measure in it's MEV bot system

BudgetTutor3085

Sounds like another promo post for some MEV staking thing promising easy daily returns without the usual risks. I've seen a bunch of these pop up lately with the same hype about automation and accessibility, but 0.5-0.8% daily adds up to insane APYs that scream unsustainable or straight ponzi. Do your own digging before throwing money in, especially with the 180-day lockup

00roast00

I get what you’re saying, raw speed and cheap fees alone aren’t special anymore. Hedera isn’t interesting because it’s fast and cheap, it’s interesting because it stays fast and cheap **at scale, under load, with guarantees**. Most chains have low fees until congestion hits, then fees spike and finality becomes probabilistic. Hedera’s fees are fixed in USD and its finality is true aBFT, not “wait a few blocks and hope”. That matters for real businesses, not just retail users. Speed and cost are table stakes now. Hedera’s edge is predictable fees, provable finality, fair ordering with no MEV, and enterprise grade governance. That combination still isn’t solved by most chains.

Maximum-Exam4445

I haven't tried or used any other bots, simply because the TG bots offer me exactly what I need. So I have never looked into it much further. I use TG bots for the Solana chain and BSC chain for example (for more established utility coins or the bigger memecoins) instead of their (decentralized) exchanges, because they protect me from MEV attacks and offer many other trading options to choose from such as copy trading, DCA, limit orders and super fast notifications.

00roast00

Quantum safe. Low, predictable fees. Fast finality. Secure using aBFT. Energy efficient. Fair, decentralised governance. High throughput. Carbon negative. Enterprise grade reliability. No MEV. True timestamping. Built for real world scale.

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

The Hedera network is highly decentralized - more so than the blockchains on the market, which are controlled by anonymous whale validators who consolidate power over time. In Hedera, we have (up to 39) transparently known collusion-resistant validators in different countries, under different governments, in different industries, ran on different hardware, building different use cases, term limited, with meeting minutes and meeting attendees made public, treasury reports all public, with no node ever being able to control more than 2.5% of the network, every node participating in every transaction, all transactions fairly ordered with valid timestamps (no MEV), and with the network's entire open-source code donated to a 3rd party for decentralized meritocracy-based development (Linux Foundation). Please define decentralization and explain to me specifically why Hedera is not decentralized.

ProfitableCheetah

Yup. Builders keep trying to patch the issue with off-chain order books or MEV mitigation strategies, but the root cause is that everything is visible.

CriticalCobraz

This hack is involving "sandwich bots" on the Ethereum blockchain, which exploit transaction ordering to make profits (known as MEV). These bots place transactions before and after a user's transaction to profit from price changes. In this case, two individuals discovered a vulnerability in a block-building service, allowing them to view the contents of a block before it was added to the blockchain. They rearranged the transactions, sandwiched a sandwich bot, and made $25 million. This incident is referred to as an "unbundling attack" and highlights issues in the "code is law" debate.

chubs66

Your knowledge of chain ink is significantly stale. It's true that it isn't a Blockchain, but it's not just an oracle anymore. Core Services of Chainlink (Oracle-Related) 1. Decentralized Oracle Services (Data Feeds) Provides smart contracts with tamper-proof, real-world data (e.g., price feeds, weather, sports results, stock/forex data). Aggregates data from multiple independent sources for consensus and reliability. 2. Cross-Chain Interoperability (CCIP) Enables smart contracts to send data and value across different blockchains, acting like an “Internet-of-Blockchains” protocol. 3. Off-Chain Computation Runs calculations, logic, or business workflows off-chain and returns results on-chain securely (part of “hybrid smart contracts”). Additional Specialized Services 4. Verifiable Random Function (VRF) Provides cryptographically-secure randomness, useful for decentralized gaming, NFT minting, lotteries, etc. 5. Proof of Reserve Verifies the off-chain reserves backing tokenized assets or stablecoins, ensuring transparency and trust. 6. Smart Value Recapture (SVR) Helps DeFi protocols recapture value lost to MEV and optimize liquidations or protocol revenue. 7. Automated Compliance Engine (ACE) Enforces dynamic regulatory compliance rules (KYC/AML, jurisdiction rules) for tokenized assets and financial instruments. 🌉 Additional Capabilities & Use Cases 8. Access to Off-Chain APIs and Legacy Systems Bridges smart contracts with traditional systems like: Financial market APIs Payment gateways Enterprise ERPs IoT or sensor data sources. 9. Data Streams & Real-Time Event Triggers Supports continuous or real-time data streams (for DeFi automation, payroll stablecoins, insurance triggers, etc.). 10. Cross-Chain Token Transfers CCIP includes tools for transferring tokens across chains securely (cross-chain swaps or multi-chain token standards).

Fit-Credit-7970

Leverage in crypto is like playing with fire - thrilling until the cascade hits. You nailed it: whales dumping spot to trigger margin calls is a classic liquidation trap. (Ever wonder why BTC tanks in seconds? That’s your answer.) The market’s turned into a leveraged casino, and retail’s often the bait. I’ve been testing [Banana Pro](https://pro.bananagun.io/) lately - their sniper logic and MEV protection give you a fighting chance in this chaos. It’s not just about speed, it’s about staying invisible when the sharks start circling. If you’re trading, might as well bring a bazooka to the knife fight.

PsychologicalCall426

Leverage in crypto is like playing with fire - thrilling until the cascade hits. You nailed it: whales dumping spot to trigger margin calls is a classic liquidation trap. (Ever wonder why BTC tanks in seconds? That’s your answer.) The market’s turned into a leveraged casino, and retail’s often the bait. I’ve been testing [Banana Pro](https://pro.bananagun.io/) lately - their sniper logic and MEV protection give you a fighting chance in this chaos. It’s not just about speed, it’s about staying invisible when the sharks start circling. If you’re trading, might as well bring a bazooka to the knife fight.

Remarkable-Guess-245

Why do you say that? MEV is a scam?

Thin_Positive_671

Being able to monitor every transaction in the MEV flow gives users a stronger sense of control over their investment.

ceezaleez

Citadel will be market making for Permuto capital, a trust awaiting SEC approval to take stocks and split the dividend from the stock. The dividend and asset certificates will be tradable on the traditional markets and blockchain, with the blockchain option offering a big discount in fees. As far as I can tell, most tokenized stocks bring absolutely nothing of value when compared to traditional markets and is just another opportunity to grift. Also consider that MEV on a tokenized stock tx would violate securities laws. Permuto is actually bringing a new, regulatory compliant financial product to the market and using the block chain to make it more efficient. The blockchain it operates on has atomic swaps rendering MEV impossible. It has Clawbacks which allow for the reversal of transactions in the case of hacks/theft. It has an enterprise grade cloud wallet which allows for safe and practical self custody. It has an open outcry offer system which allow for trustless p2p swaps without a centralized contract acting as a middleman. The average retail trader has no idea what they're getting themselves into. Without regulation, they will be trading tokenized stocks on blockchains that get routinely hacked by north korea and have TXs skimmed by MEV bots. Many of the smart contracts that have been hacked on ETH have passed multiple rounds of audits. Tightening regulations doesn't stifle innovation, it keeps out the crypto grifters who have coopted the industry to serve their own purposes.

Kinnomerion

I’ve poked around their whitepaper and some public dashboards. It’s reassuring to see that their MEV strategies are explained transparently and that I can track how bots allocate capital, which makes the whole thing feel more legit.

KimBo_kBok

That's the best part, it can still generate profits even during low activity or bearish periods because it focuses on small, low risk MEV and arbitrage opportunities that don’t rely on big price movements.

Witterki

That is correct, it shifts focus to smaller, low risk arbitrage and MEV opportunities that are less affected by overall market activity, helping maintain steady returns even when major price movements are limited.

Thin_Positive_671

In Mevolaxy, DeFi staking generates profit by combining traditional staking rewards with MEV strategies and cross chain arbitrage.

Witterki

Yeah, I’ve looked into it recently, what’s cool is how their MEV bots automatically adjust to market conditions and scan multiple chains.

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SpendAffectionate161

Worth of checking out mate Mevolaxy’s transparency with their MEV bots is impressive. The daily return breakdown helps a lot, and so far the platform feels more trustworthy than most.

Boring_Tailor_5350

Makes sense! That’s why I’m checking out Mevolaxy at least they show how their MEV bots work and why the returns move daily. It’s still good to be careful, pero so far the setup looks more transparent than most. Have you tried looking into their MEV strategies?

Divay_vir

it’s easy to start looking for ways to keep your bag productive so you don’t feel tempted to sell. With platforms like Mevolaxy, I’d just move carefully. Big claims about flexible staking, MEV bots, “consistent returns,” and large future payouts always make me check for audits, on-chain activity, and a verifiable team. Real MEV isn’t usually smooth or predictable, so I’d treat anything that promises stability with caution. What’s helped me is sticking to self-custody and only staking where I fully understand the mechanics. And when I need to rebalance across chains, Rubic has been handy since it keeps swaps non-custodial.

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Sea-Examination-1073

Because my friend, Mevolaxy has this Top notch bot Called MEV that is taking care of all of the trading and managing of your finances, so technically, you'll just need to stake and wait. No brains cells needed. Easy for beginner and busy persons.

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

Hedera is highly decentralized - in fact, much more decentralized than Algo, which is controlled by anonymous whale validators who centralize their power over time. In Hedera, we have (up to 39) transparently known collusion-resistant validators in different countries, under different governments, in different industries, ran on different hardware, building different use cases, term limited, with meeting minutes and meeting attendees made public, treasury reports all public, with no node ever being able to control more than 2.5% of the network, every node participating in every transaction, all transactions fairly ordered with valid timestamps (no MEV), and with the network's entire open-source code donated to a 3rd party for decentralized meritocracy-based development (Linux Foundation). Please define decentralization and explain to me specifically why Hedera is not decentralized.

Bonita-101

It democratizes MEV strategies by providing user friendly bots and automated tools in their app, where users simply connect their wallets

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Boring_Tailor_5350

The secret lies on the power of their MEV bots. As a personal user of Mevolaxy, the amount ill be staking is the only math im doing here haha, the very reason i choose Mevolaxy over other platform ia the convenience of not doing all brainy and math side.

External-Neck-7278

How exactly does the platform let regular users access MEV strategies without running nodes or coding?

SpendAffectionate161

How exactly does the platform let regular users access MEV strategies without running nodes or coding?

EmphasisSufficient91

The democratized MEV strategies were once whale exclusive, but the platform now allows users to use it without an issue, running nodes or coding.

Bellar101

Ok. What about the MEV stake used?

KimBo_kBok

How does the platform prevent the MEV bots from competing against each other and diluting profits?

biba8163

The market is maturing and consolidating. - BTC Marketcap 5.4X since 2017 BTC ATH - Top 4 Alts Marketcap 4X since 2017 BTC ATH - Total Alt Marketcap 3.1X since 2017 BTC ATH - Stablecoin Marketcap 320X since 2017 BTC ATH Innovation is just crypto hype to sell you a bunch of shitcoins that make the founders and VC rich. The Use Cases are that are being adopted are clear: - Store of value = BTC - Payments, transfers, remittances = Stablecoins - Rails for Stablecoins = Ethereum, Tron, Solana, ETH L2s, etc. - Privacy *(Very little wide level public interest but honorable mention here)* There has been little innovation of anything can can provide real world value and adoption outside BTC. Remember, the Omni Layer was created on top of Bitcoin that allowed custom token ownership and transfer in the network which allowed for the creation of ICOs and the launch of Tether on the Bitcoin network. Other networks like Ethereum and Tron now provide the rails for Stablecoins instead of BTC which functions as a decentralized store of value. Remember what Vitalik said in 2018 that Altcoins are defacto Layer 2s for Bitcoin. Stablecoins have just moved to BTC Layer 2s (Altcoins) for better efficiency as rails. | | Dec. 2017 | Nov. 2021 | Nov. 2025 |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:|:------------:| | BTC | $0.32T | $1.23T | $1.73T | Top 4 Alts | $0.163T | $0.8123T | $0.68T | Total Alt | $0.282T | $1.52T | $0.97T | Stablecoin | $0.001T | $0.11T | $0.32T | Total Crypto| $0.603T | $2.86T | $3.02T | **Top 4 Alt Dom. over Alts**| **57.80%** | **53.44%** | **70.10%** | **BTC Dom. Over Top 4** | **66.25%** | **60.23%** | **71.78%** | **BTC Total Alt Dominance** | **53.16%** | **44.73%** | **64.07%** **Any dominance indicated is measured excluding stablecoins* Reminder, Rails for Stablecoins need to remain cheap: > in order to compete with other chains, Ethereum will have to scale and that has seen the rise of L2/sidechains which results in loss transaction fees and MEV tips essentially stealing value from ETH. This essentially turns Ethereum, Solana, BSC, Tron, L2/Sidechains, etc into competing networks for DeFi casinos and rails for StablecCoin transfers where they have to remain cheap or utility and users will move to competing chains. (September 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/ethfinance/comments/1f9ef5k/daily_general_discussion_september_5_2024/llmkgtm/

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HSuke

I supposed so. It sucks for the people who either could not send transactions (common) or whose transactions got reverted (rare). If we look at bad bugs on other networks, in general, coins never get stolen. Either the network halts, finality halts, massive high-depths reorgs occur, or a combination of those. Just a few examples of major bugs and chain splits off the top of my head: * **Bitcoin 2010 bug**: 184B Bitcoin minted in a Tx. This was catastrophic and required miners to 51% attack the network and reorg it. * **Bitcoin 2013 bug**: Versions 0.7 and 0.8 of the client forked. Top miners 51% attack the network and reorg it. * **Solana outages**: Solana halts and requires validators to reset at a previous checkpoint, reverting transactions. * **Ethereum 2023 minority-client bugs**: 2 minority clients hit a major bug. Blocks still produced, but finality halted. Minority clients experienced inactivity leak. Could've been much worse if this happened to the majority of clients instead of minority clients. * **SUI 2024 outage**: Network halted for 2.5 hours. DLTs without instant finality undergo chain splits (common) or outages (rare, Solana). DLTs with instant finality either have outages or continue producing blocks on bad chain with illegal transactions. Cardano uses the UTXO model and has deterministic transactions, so it's less affected than account-based models that require transaction ordering and are affected by MEV. Also, Cardano barely has any dApp/DeFi activity, so it's less-affected in general.

HSuke

Assuming that the reorg is not malicious, the transactions will get picked uo from the mempool in each chain of the chain split. For an account-based blockchain, reorging is pretty bad because smart contract Txs need to be ordered and are not deterministic. They experience MEV, so the order really matters. For a UTXO-based blockchain, it's still bad, but not as bad since order is less important. UTXO Txs are deterministic. Cardano is special in that it is barely used, and it has very little DeFi activity. So it's not that bad for Cardano. If it had a thriving DeFic community, then this could've been much worse.

Wonderful_Fun543

MEV , as in "maximum extractable value". From google: Maximal Extractable Value (MEV) is the profit a miner or validator can gain by controlling the order of transactions within a block, beyond standard rewards. This is achieved by reordering, including, or excluding transactions to exploit opportunities like price arbitrage or liquidations, often using automated bots to monitor and capitalize on a blockchain's public mempool of pending transactions. 

Aerocryptic

I’ve been using it for a while. Great way to protect yourself from MEV bots. And you can use limit orders

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

ETH is not reliable. Fees randomly spike 100x, it's slow, you can get frontrun (MEV), it has a validator set centralized to a small number of cloud hosting services.

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> record breaking Record breaking value continues to be stolen from Ethereum and ETH investors continue to celebrate transactions on centralized company L2 sequencers. These L2s are essentially databases that do batch updates to the main chain while stealing most of the fees from it: - ETH transaction fees are down -40% from October 2024 - ETH transaction fees are down -88% from October 2021 I warned ETH Maxis over a year ago and they told me I was ignoring all the *"revenue fundamentals"* and that I should *"get some psychiatric help"* > in order to compete with other chains, Ethereum will have to scale and that has seen the rise of L2/sidechains which results in loss transaction fees and MEV tips essentially stealing value from ETH. This essentially turns Ethereum, Solana, BSC, Tron, L2/Sidechains, etc into competing networks for DeFi casinos and rails for StablecCoin transfers where they have to remain cheap or utility and users will move to competing chains. (September 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/ethfinance/comments/1f9ef5k/daily_general_discussion_september_5_2024/llmkgtm/ *Ethereum is about to get more fusakaed* in order to get cheaper to compete with other networks. You'll also notice TRON has done upgrades to cut fees by 60% in order to compete with Ethereum to keep their share of Stablecoin dominance. It will be a race to the bottom in fees for network utility tokens that are used in rails for stablecoins. GG > TRON Slashes Network Fees by 60% https://unchainedcrypto.com/tron-slashes-network-fees-by-60/

Numerous_Wonders81

Cool to see Cardano pushing on better randomness. For folks comparing designs, a few points from the Algorand side: • Grinding resistance & randomness have been “day-1”: Algorand’s Pure PoS uses VRF-based cryptographic sortition to privately pick proposers/committees. You only learn who was selected after they reveal their VRF proof inside the block, so there’s nothing to “grind” ahead of time. Committees are ephemeral and change every round. • Deterministic finality: When a block is certified by the committee it’s final—no reorg game, no “wait k blocks.” Latency is single-digit seconds with thousands-TPS throughput, so the UX is: submit → final. • Separation of powers in the round: Algorand splits roles (block proposal vs. soft-vote vs. certify-vote) across independently sorted committees. That reduces the blast radius even if an attacker briefly controls stake or DDoSes a set of nodes—next round is a fresh lottery. • Upgrades without hard forks: Protocol upgrades are activated by on-chain voting and flip over network-wide once consensus passes—historically without chain splits. So you get cryptography-level changes without the social fork risk. • MEV & ordering: Because the elected leader is unknown until reveal and committees certify quickly, there’s less surface for mempool games vs. long, reorg-friendly windows. None of this is a dunk on Cardano—Phalanx sounds like it’s moving Ouroboros toward the same north star: publicly verifiable, ungameable randomness feeding a secure PoS. The difference is mostly where each chain started (Algorand shipped with VRFs+deterministic finality) versus what’s being added now.

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tldr; Aptos proposes the introduction of an Encrypted Mempool, making it the first Layer 1 blockchain to offer native MEV protection. This feature ensures transaction intent confidentiality, preventing frontrunning and orderflow leakage without compromising speed or transparency. Using a batched threshold encryption scheme, transactions remain encrypted until execution, safeguarding user strategies. The system integrates seamlessly into Aptos' consensus protocol, enhancing security and efficiency for decentralized exchanges and large-scale transactions. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

Tsumanow

If you’re tired of endless popups, network switching, and scary approvals, optimize for clarity and control over novelty. Best Wallet keeps things straightforward while covering the key safety boxes. I look for intent-centric signing that spells out exactly what’s happening, per-dapp spend caps with auto-expiry, and a built-in approval manager so revoking is routine, not homework. A readable activity log with tx hashes, spenders, and fees makes audits and support easier. For larger balances, hardware-signer support is non-negotiable, plus a watch-only mode so you can check balances without unlocking keys. Nice-to-haves: pre-trade simulation with slippage and MEV warnings, phishing and lookalike-domain alerts, and an address book that prevents copy-paste blunders. Before committing, I run a tiny end-to-end test (receive, swap, send out, verify on an explorer). If a wallet slows me down just enough to reread prompts and recover cleanly, it actually reduces fatigue long term.

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Numerous_Wonders81

Counting “transactions” across chains is apples-to-oranges. If we normalize by user txs and look at fee revenue + unique payers + finality, you get a truer picture of utilization than “chain X did 60M tx yesterday." What counts as a tx? On Solana, consensus vote txs + a lot of micro-ops are included in the raw number. On eUTxO chains (Cardano), one tx can batch many actions/outputs, so the raw count skews lower by design. Bots ≠ users. If blockspace is cheap, you’ll get tons of bot spam/MEV/airdrop farm traffic. That’s activity, but not the same as economic throughput.

KimBo_kBok

How do automated MEV strategies avoid competing losses from other bots during congestion spikes?

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Post is by: Adelioneeesu and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1ohg27l/maximizing_crypto_staking_yields_while_minimizing/ In today’s dynamic DeFi landscape, achieving consistent high returns while keeping risk levels low has become the ultimate goal for investors. Platforms that deliver up to 300% APR have drawn massive attention, and it’s not just because of the numbers, it’s the innovation behind how those returns are generated. Rather than relying on speculative trading or manual intervention, the key lies in automation, AI integration, and MEV (Maximal Extractable Value) optimization. At the core of these systems are advanced arbitrage and liquidity management protocols. Automated algorithms monitor multiple blockchains simultaneously, detecting pricing discrepancies and inefficiencies across decentralized exchanges. Once identified, smart contracts execute trades within milliseconds, ensuring users capture value before markets adjust. This constant scanning of opportunities allows yield generation even in volatile conditions, turning potential market instability into profit. Another pillar of these high yield strategies is adaptive liquidity allocation. Funds are strategically distributed across various chains based on gas fees, latency, and liquidity depth. When one network experiences congestion or rising costs, capital is seamlessly reallocated to another with better efficiency. This not only keeps operations cost effective but also prevents performance bottlenecks that can hinder returns. Risk management is equally vital. By leveraging AI and predictive modeling, the system can forecast short term market trends, allowing it to avoid unfavorable conditions automatically. Furthermore, smart contracts introduce transparency and security, ensuring that all actions are verifiable onchain. This reduces the chances of human error and manipulation, which are common in manual staking or trading systems. Ultimately, these strategies redefine passive income in the crypto world. Investors no longer need to monitor charts 24/7 or worry about sudden market shifts. Through automation, predictive AI, and MEV optimization, staking evolves into a sustainable, low risk path toward exponential portfolio growth, proving that intelligent technology can make even complex DeFi strategies simple and reliable. Visit: [Mevolaxy.com](http://Mevolaxy.com) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

Megalodoniancat

Best staking yeilds for SOL is from seeker wallet... At first they were staking through marinade finance for 6.86% i think... Now it seems to be routed to Jito MEV staking.. i sold all my SOL though and decided to go the defi route with different coins, like stable coins. You can get 10-15% ur just not running the risk of gaining or losing from the crypto casino.

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Post is by: hunterskingz and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1of8oy9/lets_talk_about_injective/ I still remember the night I almost quit anything DeFi. Yeah, that's was when I tried swapping $ETH for $ARB, but guess what happened? Gas spiked mid-transaction, slippage dragged me 3% lower, and the trade still failed. I closed my laptop like, “maybe CeFi wasn’t that bad after all.” 😩 Now here I am, enjoying DeFi because @Injective changed how I see decentralized trading. You see, most chains still use the swap and pray model. You hit “confirm” and hope it goes through before someone front-runs you. But Injective said nah, we’re building finance the right way. They brought in a fully on-chain orderbook...the kind pros use with lightning execution, zero gas, and full transparency. No hidden MEV. No waiting. Just pure speed and fairness. What shocked me most? It’s layer-1. Not a sidechain, not an L2 but its own sovereign blockchain, built with Cosmos SDK, but talking to Ethereum and Solana like they’re next-door neighbors. Injective basically reimagined Wall Street, then open-sourced it. And for once, DeFi didn’t feel like chaos. It felt… right. Every trade, every bridge, every dApp built on Injective moves with precision. And the best part? You can feel it. ⚡ So yeah, that was the day I stopped coping with lag and started believing in on-chain finance again. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

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🤡Leon Waidmann🤡 ETH is down -20% from 2021 while the Stablecoin marketcap/supply has gone up 200%+ in the same time frame. Do you even know what a network utility token is? Here is a lesson from last year: > in order to compete with other chains, Ethereum will have to scale and that has seen the rise of L2/sidechains which results in loss transaction fees and MEV tips essentially stealing value from ETH. This essentially turns Ethereum, Solana, BSC, Tron, L2/Sidechains, etc into competing networks for DeFi casinos and rails for StablecCoin transfers where they have to remain cheap or utility and users will move to competing chains. (September 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/ethfinance/comments/1f9ef5k/daily_general_discussion_september_5_2024/llmkgtm/ Ethereum fee revenue has dropped 48% year over year because of L2 cannibalization of Ethereum mainnet and upgrades of Ethereum and Tron both severely slashing fees to maintain stablecoin domiance. *It will be a race to the bottom in fees for network utility tokens that are used in rails for stablecoins.* > TRON Slashes Network Fees by 60% https://unchainedcrypto.com/tron-slashes-network-fees-by-60/ 🤡Leon Waidmann🤡 tweets are comedy gold! GG > ALL-TIME HIGHS expected for February 2025! 🔥 (February 4, 2025) https://x.com/LeonWaidmann/status/1886796125107322961 > As the #ETH balance drops sharply, scarcity is tightening even more than Bitcoin's. All-time highs will come sooner than most expect! (February 2024) https://x.com/LeonWaidmann/status/1757119412904050794 > 📈 If this trend continues, expect much, much higher Ethereum prices. (November 2024) > Supply squeeze incoming. > BULLISH.🚀 https://x.com/LeonWaidmann/status/1860996379243692157 > 135K ETH burned since the Merge.🔥 (October 2024) > Everyone still underestimates how bullish this is for #ETH when the real bull run kicks in.📈 https://x.com/LeonWaidmann/status/1847676543310713067 > Odds seem high that the bottom for #ETH is in! 📈💪 (August 2024) https://x.com/LeonWaidmann/status/1820456771783360850 > - The #ETHEREUM SUPPLY CRISIS is getting more SERIOUS by the day. (August 2024) > - With staking rates soaring and exchange reserves plummeting, as soon as sellers are exhausted and demand increases, #ETH will fly!📈 https://x.com/LeonWaidmann/status/1829151012428628402 > The market still doesn't grasp how scarce #ETH truly is. (August 2024) > Just imagine what happens if demand picks up even slightly — ETH will melt faces!🔥 https://x.com/LeonWaidmann/status/1823037542062793069 > With the imminent trading start of the #ETH ETF, institutional interest is set to rise. (July 2024) https://x.com/LeonWaidmann/status/1810943563641016835 > - ETH is becoming SCARCER than BTC. (July 2024) > - ETH Exchange Balance: 10.189% 📉 > - BTC Exchange Balance: 15.086% 📈 https://x.com/LeonWaidmann/status/1809923770821267878 > Most investors still don't realize how tight the ETH supply side is and how big the effect of the ETF will be! (July 2024) https://x.com/LeonWaidmann/status/1813102955874382043

Mumen_Riderr

So UTXOs are just inherently simpler when it comes to state. A UTXO either exists or it doesn't. When you're building ZK proofs you're basically just proving "this UTXO exists and I can spend it". With account models you have to prove the entire current state of an account (balance, nonce, etc) and since that's constantly changing you end up with way more complex state management in your ZK circuits. The bigger issue imo is the centralization risk with account models. Most ZK rollups using accounts (zkSync, StarkNet, etc) rely on centralized sequencers because account balances HAVE to update sequentially ). You can't process two txs from the same account without knowing the order. So whoever runs the sequencer can front-run, censor, extract MEV... basically defeats the whole point. Privacy is also way better with UTXOs since they naturally break the input/output link. You can prove you're spending valid UTXOs without revealing which ones. Account models inherently tie everything to an address, so even with ZK you need extra layers to get similar privacy. In proof generation, with account models you often need to track the entire global state which means only entities with massive compute resources can generate proofs. UTXOs are more independent, so smaller operators can do it.

penarhw

Lately, I’ve been using HoudiniSwap, which kind of bridges that gap. It’s a cross-chain DEX aggregator like Rubic or 1inch, but adds a privacy layer and real USDC rewards instead of those pointless farming points. It supports 4000+ tokens across 100+ chains, with randomized L1 routing and single-use wallets, meaning no one can trace your swap path or MEV-snipe your trade.

biba8163

> They just want their gains and don't give a fuck *spiderman points to himself* > Coinbase's Base DEX Hits $1 Billion Volume /u/partymsl https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1bslnit/coinbases_base_dex_hits_1_billion_volume/ just a couple of days ago ETH investors who are always extolling the virtues of decentralization were celebrating a centralized megacorp L2 > Ethereum to onboard 1.4B new users as Chinese AliPay megacorp launches own L2 https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1o80brw/ethereum_to_onboard_14b_new_users_as_chinese/ The irony in all this is that these centralized company L2 sequencers are essentially databases that do batch updates to the main chain while stealing most of the fees from it and ETH investors continue to celebrate them Ethereum's highest volume L2, Base, has contributed less than $5 million to the mainnet since 2023. $5 Million in fees collected in 2 years with the vast majority of the actual fees kept to themselves. Now it's even cheaper with the recent upgrades: https://tokenterminal.com/explorer/projects/base/financial-statement I warned ETH Maxis over a year ago and they told me I was ignoring all the *"revenue fundamentals"* and that I should *"get some psychiatric help"* Ethereum fee revenue has dropped 48% year over year because of all the upgrades. You'll also notice TRON has done upgrades to cut fees by 60% in order to compete with Ethereum to keep their share of Stablecoin dominance. *It will be a race to the bottom.* GG > in order to compete with other chains, Ethereum will have to scale and that has seen the rise of L2/sidechains which results in loss transaction fees and MEV tips essentially stealing value from ETH. This essentially turns Ethereum, Solana, BSC, Tron, L2/Sidechains, etc into competing networks for DeFi casinos and rails for StablecCoin transfers where they have to remain cheap or utility and users will move to competing chains. (September 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/ethfinance/comments/1f9ef5k/daily_general_discussion_september_5_2024/llmkgtm/ > TRON Slashes Network Fees by 60% https://unchainedcrypto.com/tron-slashes-network-fees-by-60/

pb__

ate someone else's MEV sandwich

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coinfeeds-bot

tldr; The article discusses a proposal for a new protocol on the Algorand blockchain to address backrunning MEV (Maximal Extractable Value). Backrunning involves executing transactions immediately after another to extract value, often seen in liquidations and arbitrage. The proposal suggests a real-time auction market for backrunning, introducing a 'backrun-id' field in transactions to prioritize based on fees. This aims to increase protocol revenue, reduce network load, and prevent harmful behaviors like frontrunning and sandwiching, while improving sustainability and user experience. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

Narrow_Chance7639

Makes sense that bots will dominate ultra-short-term trading and humans will focus on mid/long-term strategy. The complexity of MEV and high-frequency volatility requires specialized machine systems. The question is: Will traditional asset management ever be able to use those sophisticated tools for their own long-term portfolios?

the-script-99

I agreed to 2 specific transactions, but you changed one without my consent. That can’t be legal. Plus for them to actually do this they would have to hack the flashbots servers. Again not legal to hack. I guess by doing this they also broke the trust of the market and there is definitely something illegal. Plus they robbed the MEV bot. It says 12 seconds so this 100% happened on Ethereum. For transactions either flashbots you send them to flashbots server via an API. They had to intercept the message and change it. The only other way they could have gotten them is by hacking the server itself or running one of the nodes. Now if they run the node and did this then that is ok as a node provider is free to order the transactions. They would be probably be kicked off the platform but they wouldn’t really care about that. The interesting part is why did they need a whole bunch of shell companies to run an honest trade?

GaussAF

They created an algorithmic trading bot A really rich guy created an algorithmic trading bot Both bots made trades based on the algorithms and those two brothers ended up with $25m more than the rich guy So now they're in court because they weren't allowed to win The guy they were trading against was running an MEV bot which makes money by front running trades in the mempool fyi so he's making money from algo trading too. Why is one person allowed to make money from this and the other isn't? This is such a stupid case, more evidence that the courts don't know anything about how any of this stuff works.

vengeful_bunny

Agreed, not defending MEV bots at all and its weird that "frontrunning" is acceptable in Eth land, or at least known and tolerated. But I'm talking strictly about the case against the brothers, since MEV bots are not being litigated here. Frau*d is usually* hard to prove because you have to prove intent. But there's no other explanation for the brothers setting up Eth validators that specifically return incorrect information than to mislead. IANAL, but that at least does not work in their favor.

throwaway75643219

From what I understand reading some other articles, it appears that MEV bots do some shady or unethical stuff to manipulate prices, but that is an unfortunate consequence of how the system is set up -- theyre taking advantage of the system as it was designed to operate. These guys just straight up hacked the system to get it to do something it wasnt intended to do, by exploiting some bots that werent performing all the security checks they should have to make sure the trades were legitimate trades. To try and give an example, banks used to do something where they would order transactions in such a way to make you overdraft and charge you fees, for example if you had a balance of 1k, and made a 5k withdrawal and later than day a 5k deposit, they would order the withdrawal first so that you incurred an overcharge fee, then do the deposit. Now imagine there was an automated system/bot you could run so that you could automatically deposit into your account to avoid overdraft fees when the bank sends you an email that youre overdrawn. The brothers then did something like spoofing emails to make it look like the emails legitimately came from the bank to get you to deposit into an account, except it was their account the money was deposited into, and they just straight up took it. They also specifically targeted bots that werent implementing security protocols correctly to verify that the transactions were 100% legit before depositing money. Then, afterwards, they took a bunch of elaborate steps to launder the money in the hopes of not getting caught. Not a perfect analogy, but thats \*along the same lines\* of what they did. And they seem to be pinning their defense on the fact that a) people hate what MEV bots do enough to look the other way that straight up stealing from bots that do shady/unethical stuff is okay, and b) that it will all be so technical that people dont actually understand what happens. At least, thats what I seem to have gathered is what happened.

Space2999

Front running is illegal in any SEC trading. But in crypto it’s basically accepted bc they don’t know how to prevent it. The handful of MEV teams’ bots are making billions by exploiting retail investors. So why not exploit the bots? Stealing from the thieves.