HFT

gamma55

Not really true. Most of tradfi markets run on commercial software suites, with some bleeding edge HFT excluded. The software is not your competitive edge, it’s your strategies.

LoveSexDraems

That and HFT possibly

Dojiyo

Comparing halving reduction to daily volume is nonsense. Most of the volume is market makers, arbitrage, bots, HFT, short term trading.... which over a long period does not affect price. The equivalent of halving is someone buying 450 Bitcoins a day, (every single day) for 4 years to HODL forever. 164k btc a year. 657k btc in total.

streetfightermz

HFT firms can also probe certain price points by moving the market by a combination of aggressive selling and placing large fake sell orders that later get cancelled. This often leads to other algorithms reacting by cancelling their bids, moving the price lower and triggering stops that lead the price even lower. At this point the trade can be closed profitably. This typically happens with a few seconds so the actual volume required isn’t as high as you’d think. Some statistical analysis can also pinpoint places where stops are more likely to be set than others (eg round numbers). https://www.quora.com/How-does-a-market-making-algorithm-see-my-stops

Real-Technician831

In fact I do. I don’t work with HFT, but I do work with AI models a lot. It’s really simple, big models have latency, and thus unsuitable for HFT.

Real-Technician831

Nah, an HFT trading company is using way less electricity than BTC mining. No matter whether you count it by HFT total vs BTC total. Or by the size of transactions on BTC trade vs HFT trade. So proportional tax for HFT would be pennies. Sure, why not, but an HFT company wouldn’t even notice.

Real-Technician831

Moving goalposts are we? You mentioned using HFT trading, and that doesn’t consume that much energy. Training is of course a bigger energy hog, but even in there the data amounts are nothing compared to high volume event processing systems. On my day job we process billions of events per day, stock trading event volumes are peanuts.

Real-Technician831

Umm, for high frequency trading? LOL no, for that you need speed, which distributed computing is an anathema to. Spark jobs, or Azkaban clusters are definitely not HFT. HFT systems are monolithic boxes with well tuned algorithms and sitting on really fast network connections. You are mistaking everything else a bank or trading company is doing, and the comment above was about HFT.

GuyWithNoEffingClue

You're very wrong. High Frequency Trading is data-intensive. You wouldn't be able to train a HFT model on a simple pc. Not even a high-end one. The amount of data and computing power to clean it and format it for the model alone is beyond what a 5k/month server could provide you. We're not even talking about the kind of tech giant hedge-funds are developing and keeping up-to-date just to be nanoseconds ahead of competition.

neitze

We great knowledge comes great responsibility or something. Be careful out there - the landscape has essentially turned into a ton of projects utilizing fake engagement to boost 'credibility.' Even last cycle we had 'influencers' like K. Kardashian advertising rug pulls on their social accounts... I started diving into some coins recently that were getting listed on MXC (non-kyc exchange out of Singapore that has basic/advanced trading functionality US exchanges largely lost after the initial crackdowns), and even legitimate looking (on the surface) projects were littered with single word replies of "great,' "awesome," "nice project," "innovative," etc. On their Twitter posts, random shill reddit threads, etc. It's not uncommon to have bots create fake engagement in things like Telegram / Discord. It's not uncommon for "trusted" accounts to get highjacked or paid off to shill some kind of rug. Liquidity is a major concern for anyone trading or amassing big bags. It's essentially a game of musical chairs in 99.9% of cases, hoping you get your capital out before the music stops. Whales will jump ship to another chain, another coin, or switch to stables at the drop of a hat, leaving small-fry retailers fighting like crabs in a bucket to exit the token with a portion of their initial. The biggest winner in trading shitcoins are HFT (high frequency trading) bots. Typically on any given day you can see the highest ROI traders, especially on layer 2s, are HFT accounts. Play around on this [link](https://birdeye.so/leaderboard/7D?chain=allChain) Keep in mind volume can be faked and should not be the determining factor when gauging the quality of fresh shit. Duplicate coins are often listed to fleece noobs (this is where the contract address is handy). Don't click links. Don't engage with random trash sent to your wallet. Don't fall for the random nfts sent to your hotwallet that say you need to claim some airdrop. No, some random person didn't send you a Bored Ape and is now asking you to connect your wallet to some dody website. And No, the person DMing you on social with a legit looking support account is only there to steal your $$. Trust no one. Especially me. Despite these instructions, most of those who engage in this type of trading will end up with little more than pessimism and useless tokens in their wallet. The only way to get easy returns is to be the one being paid to shill shit and getting others to pump your bags.

CreepyParsnip342

It’s called high frequency trading (HFT), and no, with your volume and tech it’s not possible. If you check the fee structure of CEXs, from Binance for example, you will quickly realise it’s not for retail to do HFT. On-chain even less so. The only chance you have is to find a pair with no fees, but I doubt they would do that to stable coins. They used to have one for BTC though. The topic you want to study is algorithmic trading. If you are interested, there are also community driven free to use projects like hummingbird, which is very reputable and trustworthy. That’s a good and safe thing to study to understand better the whole world of bots. You can also paper trade with bots to test your strategies before burning real money. Tradingview is a great free platform to try automated trading strategies and visualise them on charts without complexity and limitations of bots. But if you decide to download random 3rd party softwares, be aware that they can all contain malware that drains your wallets in an instant, when they decide to do so. Usually nobody gives anything valuable for free, no working strategies, and even less so bots with working strategies, because that would give away their potential edge from trading. So usually there is some hidden intention to make money somehow, and if it’s not you paying willingly it’s likely something else. And formatting your PC afterwards may not remove higher level malware. But I want to say I highly doubt you can monetise HFT with stable coins, it’s super heavily competed and any profit you may even in theory make dies quickly with fees and losses. Also even if your tech was high enough, the CEXs have hidden priorities for orders, so yours will always be in disadvantage and every ms counts in this game.

wtfCraigwtf

Yes, there is plenty of HFT bot trading of stocks, but WASH TRADING is ILLEGAL. There's a reason for it, wash trading allows someone to move the price as much as they like. You're buying your own orders, all the way from $61k BTC to $70k BTC. And you're using USDT phunnyy money to do it, fresh from Paulo Ardoino's ass with no backing. The cucks here haven't figured it out yet and OP is trying to gaslight them into not DYORing.

Profit_Node

Comp Scientist Here. Literally worked at government level for applied innovation of distributed technology (My job was to scientifically review each network which had received viable social consensus eth, btc, sol etc) Ethereum and it’s L2 ecosystem we’re laughed out of the room by us Comp Scientists. It’s almost a child’s attempt at a network. Solana does a few things extremely impressive - mimicking the power of parallel scope nets for things like HFT without compromising at all on decentralisation. What’s interesting is the public access and being able to handle such volume of data. Even if this was not a blockchain it would be used by major data transmitters for sure. It is in our government research we discovered just how decentralised solana is - it’s the most censorship resistant and decentralised “smart contract” network that exists today. Given that it scales with hardware developments it’s also likely to keep that crown going forward. So - Does solana suck? No - blockchains suck. However Solana is actually built by engineers who understand what computer science is and therefore it is reasonably functional and scalable in comparison to all other networks. P.S - Those saying ETH has no switch whereby they can centralise lock you out of things have not seen the rulings whereby exchanges can allow the eth foundation to pause deposits and withdrawal from CEX at any moment. I have seen these, because we are legally required to at the government level.

Itslittlealexhorn

I think you're exaggerating calling it more insidious than HFT. At least with the EVM it's all out there. Sure a lot of users are clueless about the inner workings, but that applies to both HFT and MEV. It's a flaw for sure and ETH devs have always called it that, but as long as you allow block proposers to build their own blocks you simply cannot prevent it. Flashbots et al themselves are more of a solution than part of the problem, they're doing the heavy lifting of MEV and thus allow node operators with limited resources to stay in the game, preserving decentralization. I don't see any evidence that Flashbot is bribing eth development to preserve MEV. If that was actually happening it would be a huge deal.

vanmanjam

That's what happens when the HFT gets involved

universoman

What percentage of trades do you think are made by real people pressing a buy button? Its all HFT firms, quants and bots that have most of that volume

thekoonbear

1. ETFs like that will be almost entirely in the asset, in this case Bitcoin, with the exception of a small portion kept in cash for operating purposes. 2. It will not be an exact peg but it’ll be damn close. There’s plenty of HFT firms that operate in ETF arbitrage to keep ETFs trading near NAV. Now in this case trading Bitcoin is a little more expensive fee wise than trading futures so there is more wiggle room but it still will be very very close to NAV.

LionRivr

Price moves in crypto and stocks nowadays is primarily from Whales and HFT algo trading bots. Any “News” articles are just pre-written tools used by institutions to “justify” price movements to give the sheep a “reason”.

ejpusa

There are bugs in those HFT trading algorithms. They are not perfect. Source: Coder, for decades. :-)

DorkyDorkington

ETFs are a tool of market manipulation. They provide a way of creating the underlying asset from thin air and help to HF trade it in the dark pools in order cease control of the price of the assets. So for BTC expect at least manipulation, price control, HFT fuckery and shorting.

majorpickle01

>SOL and ETH are not "utilities". They are platforms that operate on the Internet I don't think being a platform and being a utility is exclusive. I'd argue even that they aren't a platform in the sense of an OS - they are two mutually exclusive decentralized utility protocols/ In the early days of of the telephone you'd have individual companies running their own private lines, but they were still providing a utility. ETH and SOL resemble that very much right now. They are two competing utility providers. Of course, where you chose to split that line between platform and utility is entirely subjective and you are more than welcome to reject my catagorization. >There's space for both because they offer different trade offs. ETH offers real yields and a store of value in exchange for slower throughput and higher fees. SOL is not a "store of value", and the real yields are 0 or negative (lower than inflation). But it's super fast and cheap. ETH is also easier/cheaper to "decentralize" for the moment. As I said "long term". Currently I agree with you fully there is room for both in the medium term because they cater to different needs (Ethereum prioritizing decentralized access to the chain VS Solana priotizing ease of use and cost). But the long term vision of the modular future is to resemble a monothlic chain via interoperability. The idea is to get the system of rollups so indistinguishable from a single chain that the average user doesn't even realise they might be using a rollup. >So the obvious use case is that ETH is more of a "finance" ecosystem whereas SOL is better for things that go fast/need a lot of throughput (gaming, gambling, HFT shitcoins). I disagree. On l1 sure, but as a network? Look at something like ImmutableX. Now image so when fees on L2 drop massively due to danksharding. Again, I am talking future, not now. As it stands right now Solana IS better placed for that, presuming Devs are happy with the long tail risk of economic stability of the SOL network

LionRivr

Banks, Brokerages, Market makers and other authorized participants are not actual “crooks”, but they are definitely not ethical. Without getting into too much detail, WallStreet is an entirely different rabbit hole. People will chalk it up to be a “casino”, but there’s much more happening under the hood. There are many privileges that these entities are granted which allow them to utilize several loopholes to over-leverage themselves for profit, while putting the risk onto taxpayers. - FTD’s, phantom shares, synthetic shares, naked short selling - Fractional reserve banking - derivatives such as options/swaps that can be utilized in bookkeeping tricks, or to help manipulating asset prices - ETF’s can be manipulated with by authorized participants as they see fit - PFOF (Payment for order flow) - HFT’s (high frequency trading algorithms) None of these are “technically” illegal, however are all tools that can be used to squeeze profits out of the working class investors who simply want to invest for retirement. WallStreet steals from the US economy. But at the same time the US cannot live without it. Quite a parasitic relationship if I ever seen one.

shadowdax

> Billion dollar value and no real developer team behind it.... You can literally click on [https://github.com/firedancer-io/firedancer](https://github.com/firedancer-io/firedancer) right now and watch elite HFT engineers rewrite the Solana validator client with lock-free queues and FPGA support and SIMD instructions and anything else you can dream of. Mere mortals like you rarely get to see code like this. All you have to do is be able to read C++ and not be a redditard.

Common_Consideration

I had 3 issues with Solana 1. Personally I never trusted SBF, and didn't want to touch anything he was affiliated with. 2. Yakovenko always had an very carefree / "don't worry bro" attitude, that always irked me. At times he seemed a bit detached from reality at times. Remember seeing interviews with him a few years back where the discussion of Running validators on Solana came up, one guy suggested there was a high barrier to entry, and there could be centralization issues, and his answer was basically (paraphrasing) "No, lol, it's a $5000 machine and a gigabit speed network connection, anybody could do that". He seems to have gotten better though. 3. Of course the constant network outages Current situation: Right now Solana is looking really good, almost too good. Alot of hype and speculation at the currrent price, imo. I'm also confused about the whole situation. Solana's initial end goal was to become a decentralised alternative to the stock exchange (Which is still the goal?), Ii'm confused as to why they are messing around with Defi, NFTs and such. Cause i'd imagine as a (global?) stock exchange they'd need all the TPS they could get their hands on to accommodate for HFT.

TestablePredictions

I am probably not in a similar place. What is the nature of the FUD you've been hearing/reading lately? My views: Ethereum has a monumental first-mover advantage. Primarily manifested these days as TVL. And previously in terms of architecture, technology, and innovation (EIPs, dApps, etc) as well. Lately, I think innovation has happening more fruitfully among the alt-coins. But technology is clearly far less significant in the short-term than momentum. Plus, ETH could incorporate in low-risk ways any new goodness. The crypto that could truly challenge and de-throne Ethereum likely doesn't even exist yet. The qualities it would have are difficult and potentially unsolvable. Such as: * Transactions privatized against block producers and network validators. No more childish government censure of this or that dapp. No more front-running, HFT, or other abusive tradfi-BS-in-crypto-form. * Concurrency among all transactions in single block. No more ordering-for-MEV hijinks. No more indeterminism in contract execution outcomes.

AlisterA2017

This is the general approach people use to get other peoples strategies, I use an institutional grade system (you know costing $10,000s per month but obviously no one can afford it - not even the crypto hedge funds - so it's sponsored 80-95%) and first thing they are looking for is the strategy output. This system works down to milliseconds (although the datasets are only 1second based because that's the best crypto exchanges can do at the moment - you need forex for HFT), the number of hedge funds that have tried to get the underlying output is quite spectacular, simply because if they paid for it their investors wouldn't invest as it means the fund doesn't have the brain power. You would be amazed how many people (developers, traders) have been willing to give their systems to these funds, sure those strategies whipsaw like there's no tomorrow but the funds just try and average it out, most not very successfully but it is what it is.

rawbdor

If you were a market maker, and you knew every 15th and 30th, at 7pm, a whole lot of automatic buys are processed, wouldn't you bid up the price at 6pm and sell after the automatic buys? The same thing happened to GameStop when the biweekly Computershare orders are purchased at 10:45 am, like clockwork. The price starts low, spikes in the ten minutes before the batch purchases, then drifts down. It's basically a sandwich attack. It's the same thing that happens on an ethereum chain, if you go to buy or exchange an illiquid token via a liquidity pool and don't pay enough for gas. Your transaction will sit in the mempool waiting for cheaper gas prices or for a miner that wants to mine your tx. if you're trading a large amount, MEV bots will sandwich you. If for example.youre using USDC to buy ALCX, a miner will put two new transactions surrounding yours. The first will bid up ALCX, the second will sell it. Your TX is trapped in the middle. You end up paying more, and the miner who sandwiched you bought in before you, got you to pay a higher price, and sold right after. It's the same in any stock broker that uses payment for order flow. It's rampant. in fact it's pretty much a guiding feature of almost all trading. It's the same idea behind "buy the rumor, sell the news".You expect when good news hits, tons of people will buy in. So you buy in early and sell after everyone else chases. The only difference between all these examples is timeframe, and who is able to sandwich you. HFT and evm-based sandwich attacks are fast. Others are slow, long term. For some, anyone can sandwich you. For others, only people with access to your trade can (citadel, payment for order flow etc). But the fundamentals are exactly the same.

ExSqueezedIt

sure, but they are irrational only to people who dont understand how cycles work and / or are too afraid to swim in between the tides. market isn't real, its all wash trading and HFT bots. You guys really think whole crypto community out there pressing sell at exact same time on exact same signal over countless dozens of CEX's DEX's and whatnot else to get major dump candles and almost identical lookalike copy paste chart trends across 99.99999% of couple thousand crypto shitcoins?? Seriously? If thats the case, I got a pandemic to sell you lol.

ExSqueezedIt

HFT bots baby. Seriously, anyone notice how every time during major FUD prices go crazy up while everyone is withdrawing money and bots just keep pumping re-selling to themselves until everyone realizes FUD is over and then come buy back with their money to rebuy at high prices to give bots exit liquidity.... then a year later ya'll ask yourself why you bought at ath.. xd we got 2 more rallies probably, eth around 2.8-3k tops and btc at around 48-54k tops then its all downhill from there.

DaBoogiemanSJ

Not sure I would say that it’s centralization per say, but rather due to cheaper gas prices on certain chains, early adopters maybe having an affinity for Polygon (due to cheaper gas prices perhaps), and due to the 4337 users might not needing to get into the next block… many 4337 wallets are batching txns in say 30 sec, and then resolve them… meaning if you’re a HFT trader, or if time really matters with your trade, then you’re not going to use at 4337 wallet due to the delay involved when attempting to execute a trade when a lot of money is on the line. Time is money to big traders, and they aren’t going to give a fuck about the benefits of 4337 when the alternative allows them to get in and out “when” they want. If you really want to learn more about 4337, I’d recommend Alchemy’s guide on 4337/AA wallets - you can Google it

18476

Not hard to see, at all. Algorithm and HFT have been running the stock market for awhile now. Who wants to stare at a screen all day, though i know many do lol. I did in the early years.

jetylee

Until you’ve woken up bankrupt you’ll be fine. But it will happen someday and you’ll use private wallets for the rest of your life. I never keep a dime on exchanges while I sleep. (I’ve been in crypto since before ANY HFT Exchanges were around and I’ve seen the best of them fall)

urania_argus

A big player using HFT code to buy up the order book on a minute by minute basis while being very careful not to push the price over 34K.

krakrakra

$60mil in 60 days is pretty good for bitcoin. I didn't say consistent, but it shows that there's a multidimensionallity to the crowd, in contrast to your `"no shitcoin, HODL" culture` comment. With other major developments in the making Ark, BitVM, and multiple covenants proposals progressing, the time is coming. The reality is that doing things properly and sustainably takes time. Ethereum has been coopted by the MEV actors and it's doomed to milk retail users like a blockchain-driven HFT where manual users are the cash cows that drives this unsustainable frankenstein-chain. People are tired of NFTs anyhow, it will take more time for the mass populous to forget the shameless scamming of the past.

BusinessBreakfast3

>Centralization of Mining Operations: If a company like BlackRock were to buy up significant mining companies, it could monopolize Bitcoin's mining landscape, undermining its decentralization. No, because: 1. They're not buying mining companies 2. If they did, nobody will rent their hashpower to those companies The next 7 points you're giving the same argument. >Price Manipulation via High-Frequency Trading (HFT) That's a feature, not a bug. Bitcoin is as free market as it gets. Anyone can buy and sell how much they want. >Hoarding and Centralization: That's not what (de)centralization means. Proof of work systems are immune to what you're describing. >Forced Regulatory Changes: The world is bigger than the USA. >Short-term Focus: Large institutional investors often have a short-term profit focus that could lead to increased price volatility and discourage long-term holding, which has been a significant part of Bitcoin's rise and stability to date. This is just price discussion. Only n00bs care about the price.

spamohh

Some token unlocks to look forward this week: - Oct 3 $SUI unlocks ($17.24m/4.02%) - Oct 3 $DYDX unlocks ($4.36m/1.23%) - Oct 6 $NYM unlocks ($1.41m/2.26%) - Oct 6 $IMX unlocks ($11.06m/1.55%) - Oct 7 $HFT unlocks ($1.13m/1.84%) Stay safe if you hold any of these guys 🫡

Canjud

I won't consider Shiba Inu (SHIB), Algorand (ALGO), nor Tron (TRX) to be undervalued just because they are priced under $0.15. My top 5 undervalued cryptocurrencies would be Ocean Protocol (OCEAN), MetisDAO (METIS), Numeraire (NMR), HashFlow (HFT), and Fetch AI (FET) based on their current market caps.

Routine-Detail-5576

You’ll already be too late. The HFT and insiders will have exited long before you can.

Damgalnuna000

Obv but what's the point if its all fake HFT and manipulated

AccordingGain3179

There is no front running in HFT.

ScienceFreak11

Not to mention some bots do HFT based on news such as these

doitwrong21

That sounds like semantics as all the firms that engage in payment for order flow also engage in HFT.

infested33

So exactly what the HFT firms are doing the past decade especially in FOREX.

getwhirleddotcom

HFT baby!

PotOfDuality_

CFDs taught me a while ago that the price of Bitcoin doesn't really matter. If I open up a contract and can just call the right direction like an option, idrc what the price is as long as I have more than I started with. Do this over and over again (even to the point of HFT) and you can stack a lotta sats. Imagine the largest ETF in the world.

Chet_kranderpentine

He's the next iteration of HFT but in the defi crypto space. It's the same vampires no matter where you go

YogSothothIsTheKey

Theyr not simple whales.They are and use HFT (high frequency trading and hedge fund team),so they can eat a whale.I prefer think at them like a killer whale.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; An international team called Mechanics of the Future has developed an anonymous Insider Protocol ecosystem using MimbleWimble technology. This technology provides a high level of privacy for users by not having reusable addresses on the blockchain. The team has solved the issues of limited transaction throughput and lack of quantum stability in the MW network. The ecosystem includes a high-frequency trading algorithm, a decentralized exchange, a web wallet, an NFT platform, decentralized finance, and more. The Insider Protocol HFT bot uses the Layering technique, which has been reviewed by Yahoo's financial resource. The Atlas DEX Swap allows for decentralized cross-chain exchanges, and the Imperium Protocol Blockchain enables entirely anonymous transactions. The ecosystem also includes a decentralized cryptocurrency exchange called DexChange. The project is expected to launch on top exchanges, including Binance, in the coming months. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR. Try our free crypto chatbot at https://chat.coinfeeds.io*

iworkisleep

If you’ve done day trading before then you probably know you’re trading against HFT bots most of the times and don’t worry too much about taking money from market makers, they’ll live Anyway, all good. No worries

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Insider Protocol is a cryptocurrency trading platform that prioritizes privacy. The main selling point of insider trading is that a person purchases or sells stock based on information that is not widely known to the public. Insider Protocol’s core component is the automated trading bot, which is designed to leverage High-Frequency Trading (HFT) *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.*

CheetahSmooth4353

True, gotta mulitply profits as much as possible. ​ High-frequency trading (HFT) would love to talk with us about that topic lol

Weird-Breakfast-7259

Thats what they were testing last year w HFT ALGORYTHMN SPOOK BUY and Sell and all Market Makers are heavily invested in Quantum Computing what is the difference QC vs Home or Super computer QCs are100 to 150million times faster This is either the end of Wall st most criminal 2 decades ever worst thing is it the same players or should we just say what they are "Repeat Offenders, steal snd lie , caught 20million it getsdollor fine on a 500 Million Profit

jormpt

As if HFT wasn't bad enough, now we get AI-powered HFT to spoof the market and hit stoplosses at will.

iExtrapolate217

Citadel can use them to HFT (High Frequency Trade) I think the reason those were chosen is because those are the ones they're least likely to get sued over. Gary said that he considers Bitcoin a commodity. Bitcoin Cash and Litecoin are sufficiently similar that they should be by that logic also. Ethereum was declared sufficiently decentralized to be considered a commodity by Hinman a former SEC director. The SEC doesn't have the authority to declare anything they want a security, but they do have the authority to make your life difficult by suing you until someone takes the punch glass away which might take a year and half or so.

Chet_kranderpentine

It's HFT, crypto style

relevantusername2020

copying my comment from elsewhere i could be wrong - but ive yet to hear of a valid argument (besides maybe ✨"[quantum](https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/149xxwe/irans_quantum_computer_is_apparently_powered_by/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)"✨ computers) >>[IEX](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEX#:~:text=IEX's%20main%20innovation%20is%20a,as%20a%20%22speed%20bump%22.) has shown how to make things fairer by introducing a deliberate unbypassable short delay unless there was some way to *centralize* that short delay - before the transaction goes through - i dont see how it would work. even then its iffy to me. as it is now (afaik) having one exchange with the delay simply causes more issues. honestly video games are the perfect way to think about it someone using an algorithm or macro to spam buttons will almost always beat someone not using them. sometimes it might only because that macro causes lag for everyone, but at the end of the day its an unfair advantage that pretty much **ends one of two ways: the cheater winning or the game crashing** i have no sympathy for platforms like reddit, twitter, etc that apparently cant figure out how to implement any of the ♾️ fixes to get rid of bots tangentially related - when it comes to video games, allowing cheaters to game the system is probably going to lead to your game having nobody playing it when it comes to **money** allowing cheaters to game the system is... 🪓😬 edit: and this is related to blockchain because as far as i can tell, HFT pretty much is only going to cause "errors" or straight up be incompatible with blockchain/distributed ledger tech

Malokeradio

That is stupid, traders uses all kind of analysis, if you criticize one analyses for another, you are showing your ignorance. ​ Technical analysis is made to check the natural flow of the market, not anomalies, for anomalies, you should use fundamental analysis. ​ If that was true, then HFT wouldn't be a things. ​ Totally ignorant point of view.

moldyjellybean

Naked shorts, companies buying others and stripping them of all value and tanking the price, Citadel and HFT jacking stocks up and down and playing with everyone's money. Damn right this system is the most rigged shit. Former head of NYSE Bernie Maddoff running the biggest scam and SEC couldn't do basic math to figure out the thing was a scam for 20 years of beating simple math https://www.npr.org/2010/03/02/124208012/madoff-whistleblower-sec-failed-to-do-the-math

-Blue_Bull-

I run my own trading system but started out in the space using off the shelf grid bots. This is a good strategy for newbies to grasp concepts such as leverage and margin. With grid trading, the key is to accumulate enough bot profits to cover the loss if price were to leave the bottom of your grid. The best way to achieve this is to adjust your grid levels so you are paying around 30% in fees to the exchange. For example, if you're charged 0.02% in maker fees, have your grid spacing set to 0.05% A grid level spacing this tight means you'll almost be operating like a HFT, with your orders sitting at levels alongside the market makers. You'll quickly rack up thousands of trades per day. Use a long grid bot and a short grid bot on the same asset and make sure your exchange supports hedge mode and portfolio margining. If done correctly, it won't take long for your profits to fully hedge you in the market. When price leaves your grids, you walk away with a net profit.

Super_Potential_7006

Short term capital gains are typically 20%+, long term more like 10-15%(at least in US) but most people aren’t holding any crypto for over a year except bitcoin/eth. There shouldn’t be capital gains until you are profiting well over 100k+, considering retail traders make up less than 10% of all trades and we all know hedge funds aren’t paying a 20%+ tax on every HFT they make.

Red5point1

even up until around 2017 it did not take much to manipulate the market. Much of the early history is rife with manipulated movements to trigger HFT(high frequency trading) bots to move in one way or another. So, many historically significant highs, lows and trends were all results of a manipulated market.

moldyjellybean

Look at Terra Classic it was a top 5 or 6 and at the height a 30-40 billion market cap. https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/terra-luna/ Click all and look at the price on Feb 2022 and how it pumped 100%+ in 2 months during a bear market and crushing the btc\luna ratio https://cryptonews.net/news/altcoins/20573669/ If you run a HFT like Jump trading you can manipulate anything it’s just millions or hundreds of millions trades being done back and forth look up wash trading and moving it up slowly.

sayqm

If you think tradfi is any different, lookup HFT

Elgato_TJ

Its either HFT or bots winning

126270

Companies have done this with wallstreet for decades, HFT has done this for decades, this is not a crypto thing or an eth thing - this is just human nature

klanh

In a sense yes. The main difference being that HFT trading houses deploy capital to build private infrastructure to gain an advantage where as here the trader is paying on as-you-go basis to gain that same advantage. From retail users perspective though, since Ethereum costs money to use whether or not your transaction goes through you are incentivized to allow for some amount of overpayment. Where as you could send whatever amount of unsuccessful orders to a stock exchange without any cost to you.

Cartosys

I'm pretty sure MEV sandwich attacks are analagous to how HFT bots work in the stock market, and why online trading firms don't charge for common stock transactions anymore (hint: they match buyers and sellers with larger spreads and pocket the difference).

camerafanD54

It sounds like it’s basically similar to what the HFT (high frequency trading) guys do with conventional stocks. (But I know absolutely nothing about trading ETH, or even what slippage is, so I could be totally wrong.)

YogSothothIsTheKey

When an HFT hedge fund team move the market,even whales cry.

YogSothothIsTheKey

You can play with leverage only on stock market or better with the Index.But in the crypto market when an HFT group start to play,even whales start to cry....

YogSothothIsTheKey

Don't care about whales,care about when big hedge founds probably group of them use the HFT (high frequency trading) when they push price up or down with violence.

PervyNonsense

This is how you break the economy, or whatever is left of it. If HFT wasn't bad enough or celebrating greed, now we're going to hand it over to AI. We probably already have. This economy is a an online casino with a very large go-cart track.

18476

So, how does HFT bot trading fit in to this? Alot of volume is created artificial with whales funneling between stablecoins and a said crypto.

Aim_Sux

Wouldn't you go as low as possible you can on the time frame if you're a HFT bot? Genuine question

vince-anity

Unless you're the developer of a HFT bot you would probably limit yourself to the 1h or 15min charts

jps_

Unfortunately, when it comes to securities, precise execution of trades and split-second arbitrage matters in the financial circles where the real money is moving around. There's a reason HFT is a thing. Order of trade execution *really* matters. And front-running is toxic. At least once we get beyond the very lucrative business of parting retail fools with their money and into big-boy finance. Big-boy finance needs fast transactions, in a serial order, that cannot change, and cannot be influenced by the system of record, or by anyone with access to the system of record. This is precisely the type of usecase that blockchains currently suck at delivering. Transactions in blocks can be reordered. Transactions can be put in blocks or not, and block can be reordered. And blocks occur in intervals that are quite long compared to milliseconds that matter in HFT. It is however something that is well understood in regulator serial-execution databases such as are currently used. While you could tokenize securities on a blockchain, you could also just as easily use something else - e.g. a linear transaction processing machine with distributed data. So while we *could* work on the problem list and concoct a special-purpose blockchain, pretty early in the planning cycle, someone's going to raise their hand and ask "why bother, couldn't we just use what we already have?", and that's when an awkward silence descends upon the room. A more credible immediate application of tokenizing might be bills of lading for shipping and receiving: the tokenizing of logistics. Packages take a while to move around, don't really care whose gets delivered first, and are boxed once and handled many times, by many different independent parties - some with competing interests. Unfortunately it's not a get-rich-quick thing so it doesn't have the shine and glamor of high finance. And it'll likely happen on permissioned chains that won't have public tokens to trade back and forth, or any reason to pump it or dump it here - although FedEx and Mersk are trading already, and we could all scamper over there ... But I suspect that will be where one application of blockchains really shines.

reggie_crypto

Haru still ticking along as well, and their HFT/arbitrage model with no shitcoin to prop up seemed less risky when I looked into all these services.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Cosmos ATOM price rose 7.2% on Friday even as Bitcoin price crashed below $20,000. The other tokens that did well on Friday were HFT, TKO, PAXG, and DREP. Cosmos was one of the few cryptocurrencies that were in the green on Friday as stocks and crypto continued their sell-off. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR. Get more of today's trending news [here](https://coinfeeds.substack.com).*

philosouf

Saving you a click Binance’s proof-of-reserves system has been updated to allow verification of user assets for 11 new tokens: MASK, ENJ, WRX, GRT, CHR, CRV, 1INCH, CVP, HFT, SSV, and DOGE.

_The_Chris_

The token are: MASK, ENJ, WRX, GRT, CHR, CRV, 1INCH, CVP, HFT, SSV, and DOGE

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Insider Protocol is a cryptocurrency trading platform that prioritizes privacy. The main selling point of insider trading is that a person purchases or sells stock based on information that is not widely known to the public. Insider Protocol’s core component is the automated trading bot, which is designed to leverage High-Frequency Trading (HFT) *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR. Get more of today's trending news [here](https://coinfeeds.substack.com).*

Imaginary_Manager_44

I've been curious about the application of AI for trading..mostly in the HFT space. As for chatGPT itself,I have found some use for it in writing user prompted client prospectuses so far (Then doing some minor rewrites). I think it's a decent tool. The future of algorithmic AI guided trading is exciting.

mistressbitcoin

Bots and HFT are not illegal. If it is spoofing/trading with your own account, then that is where it becomes illegal.

Stunning-Ask3032

Good to hold. It was binance launchpad i guess. And many of the top cex listed them and was too hyped at that time. I think.mexc kucoin and many others also listed it. I think these tokens can pump during bull market. DYOR if you want to go all in HFT

satoshi0x

It’s just like he’s been associated with so many low life’s at this point just gotta forget him and hopefully we get back to why we all came to cryptocurrency- for a level playing field and to custody our own wealth. We know the ppl will come to try and prey on us with their Wall Street investment banker tricks but we are going to win out some day I know many coders getting rid of the bs arbitrage and HFT frontrun exploits for the good of us retailers. I put this out to show there’s a way forward still. SBF lost we are gonna get our level playing field the more and more these guys lose

cryptOwOcurrency

HFT quant bots ≠ iPhone

godofpumpkins

Market cap isn’t it at all. What matters is _liquidity_ on exchanges and ease of moving money between them so liquidity in one place benefits all of them. The liquidity (or market depth) is ultimately what decides how much the market can bear without the price moving much, and although it’s loosely gone up with price, it’s way smaller than most people might expect. Even the biggest Bitcoin exchanges can barely absorb 8 figures USD worth of transactions without substantial price movement. This was true with the insane market caps of 2021 and remains true today. What brings additional liquidity is investor confidence narrowly, but also the entities people love to hate: the HFT market makers who sit on both sides of most trades and “scalp” the trades. In general, market cap of a currency is mostly a nonsense measure and isn’t correlated with much other than trading price.

ktaktb

Visa and Mastercard is used in actual commerce. Tether is used in HFT, algorithmic trading. Not real commerce. Fuck outta here. This is more evidence that this is a dead cat bounce. Y'all will never learn.

Harucifer

>I can send $10 of USD-backed $1 coins to you for free on some networks today. And the network's are getting better exponentially. Soon HFT will be possible at less cost than traditional routes. Yeah, you can also do that through non-crypto. So what's the point of crypto again?

Giga79

I reiterate: Bitcoin isn't the only cryptocurrency. Other blockchains don't intentionally handicap themselves. Solana is new tech that got pumped by hedge funds committing fraud, and the rest of what you said has nothing to do with the underlying technology and whether it'll be used for payments anytime or not. All of the market shinanigans are natural in every unregulated market, it's all happened before and it'll all happen again in some other new tech, hence to purpose of regulation. I can send $10 of USD-backed $1 coins to you for free on some networks today. And the network's are getting better exponentially. Soon HFT will be possible at less cost than traditional routes. VISA is even working on integrating crypto into their credit rails, they say because using blockchain is cheaper, in a way you won't even know you're interacting with a public blockchain. I'll be sure to tell VISA *the boat's sailed* next time I'm on the phone with them though. Cheers

Sayakai

Do you have literally any source for that The completely legal HFT market should blow any criminal volume out of the water by orders of magnitude

anonymouscitizen2

Thats actually one of the least absurd claims. As long as your not doing any quantitative algo trading you really don’t need any math above calculus. Quantitative/HFT models can incorporate advanced mathematics but all the other stuff really is simple math from a MIT math grads perspective, which she was. Math at those levels has no practical use in finance. I don’t think they sucked and lost because they were bad at math. They were hopped up 20 something junkies speculating wildly and embezzling money Even the pros in traditional finance have these sentiments, famously Warren Buffet who said if company can’t be evaluated with simple arithmetic your getting the wool pulled over your eyes. Thats very paraphrased but its the jist.

iterativ

Well, for the first months of 2021, we had 40K to 30K in January twice, almost 60K to 40K+ in Feb, and 60K+ to under 50K in March and April. We will see more countries adopting Bitcoin soon. It's better than their fiat. This is the end game, we have to get ahead from those CBDCs, this is basically with market cap. After a point, there isn't reason to prefer EUR/USD/etc. In crypto it's not that simple to utilize the so called HFT. With stocks, you can set a shop next to exchange, with very expensive equipment. It's still dubious, even the definition of it. But sure, it was the whales that caused many crashes. The Dec 2021 one, started by Alameda.

split41

Um no, heavy traders and power users are very informed. You think a HFT crypto trader is some uninformed user? …I think you’re the uninformed one. As you said you never even heard of it. FTX and Sam coins were massive during defi summer and onwards.

beach_2_beach

Not at the same time. HFT/flash boys get to act on same information microseconds in front of everyone else. Brad Katsuyama of IEX considers it a form of insider trading and I agree.

ArchmageXin

> PFOF It is not yet outlawed yet. Insider trading is like...I knew IBM will have a record blockbuster quarter way exceed street earning and planned my trade. HFT is like "Bloomberg announce IBM have a record earning, 2 seconds after earnings call" And then everyone start trading with HFT folks getting a head of the line. It is kind of controversial, but HFT/Flash bois got the information at the same time as everyone else.

TheOtherCoolCat

>The Automated Trading Bot algorithms utilize the High-Frequency Trading (HFT) algorithm, which employs the layering technique. if everyone is using it how is anyone gonna make a profit?

Giga79

It's the best app I've used before. I went from using crypto 5 times a month to sometimes 50 in a day. It's the only app I'm genuinely happy and willing to pay the fees for, and so I understand where the LP revenue comes from. People can trade both ways, its revenue is sustainable in any market condition. An actual usecase. They use timestamps instead of allowing MEV reorgs and all transactions settle in ~1 second. That it's on Arbitrum is great too. I'm bullish L2's next cycle since new people considered ETH *broken* in the last one specifically seeking out cheap blockspace. First week of Arbitrum Odyssey is GMX, if Odyssey ever comes back online, showing a lot more people how to use the app too. I think L2's and apps like GMX will market themselves (like I'm doing right now) once more people get used to them, I'd rather tell a newbie to use Arbitrum than BSC anyway. If GMX is able to utilize EIP4844(.com for info) transactions they should be able to bring Arbitrum's gas fee down from a ~10 cents to fractions of one too allowing for HFT. It's what I tell people to check out when they're exploring crypto now or trying to find CEX alternatives. Before that it was Uniswap or Crypto Kitties or Opensea, which had niche use cases for very specific people, and I didn't see the appeal to spend $25 on gas there either. I'm very excited to see what other apps come out of L2 over the next few years. Without having to pay inflationary tokens out for its security all revenue generated is pure profit. EIP4844 will bring Ethereum-L2 from around 200 TPS today to around 50,000 TPS and is practically finished, I'm anticipating by Q2-Q4 next year (as part of 'The Surge'). The use cases available to us then will be outstanding.

Belmont_the_IV

Lol dude by that logic everybody is a "trader"....when people talk about holding...they aren't talking about Warren Buffett "hold til you die" style investing. Anybody who argues for that is stupid as the idea that "all alts are eventually going to 0". Because you're using a 13 year timeline for reference vs the stock market which has over 100 years of recorded history. When people talk about "trading" they are talking about HFT. People who swing trade all day....and have a tax nightmare. Or people who try to short then get rekt by the longs...or try to catch momentum then get rekt by the dumps. Use leverage and say "oh I'm smart AF, I'll just set stop losses" then washed by bots and algos when all stop losses get swept. Buying and holding in the crypto market makes all the sense in the world because, as far as retail or anybody else can tell, you aren't going against world class machine learning YET...Blackrock is setting up after regs come in tho....and Aladdin is waiting. And that's when dumbass HFT stock guys will.come pouring in... It's funny because you're a WSB guy and that tells all. You're a degen.

saksit13429

Bought HFT @.45 and it keeps crashing 💀💀💀