HODL

Full-Astronaut7576

BTC is a very inefficient algorithm; it wastes too much energy.  It is better to own fiat currency; at least it is backed by the state.  BTC is bullshit; I prefer to HODL XRP. BTC is not physical like my money. At this point I really doubt mainstream is going to understad BTC. I prefer not ti discuss in public. 

followplant

Crypto has two distinct subcultures: degenerate gambling (95% of crypto) and strong HODL culture community. You just have to find the right community.

TheresNoSecondBest

>BTC is first and foremost a store of value. It's held by Governments, Corporations, and individuals, as a store of value. The only way node runners (*as the system currently stands*) would have any real sway over miner (mining corporations) choices, is if BTC's primary function was transfer of value (currency). Since it is not, and since currently it is treated as digital gold (which I'm not trying to argue is a bad thing, just stating the reality), there's no reason for miners to listen to anyone. Honestly, it doesn't matter how people use bitcoin. I'm using it as an insurance in case my current government ducks things up again, I'm using it as a currency to pay for goods and services, I'm using it as a savings account. Yes, the majority of people use it as a store of value but to do that, they still had to the "transfer of value" to their own wallet. Yes, HODL is using too. Anyway, store of value doesn't remove node power. Nodes enforce the rules that make BTC scarce and valid in the first place (21M cap, signature rules, etc.). If miners tried to change those, nodes reject the blocks regardless of what BTC "is used for." **The store-of-value property depends on node-enforced rules.** The miners node relationship is a mutual hostage situation, not one sided as you think. Miners need nodes to propagate and validate their blocks. And nodes need miners to produce blocks. If miners diverge from what users and nodes accept, their blocks are worthless. That mistake costs a lot of electricity. This is why the Blocksize War I have mentioned above, resolved the way it did: the majority of miners backed bigger blocks, but economic nodes and users rejected them. >Let's do some game theory: let's say a bunch of node runners want to make a change. Let's even say 60% agree, and run a different implementation of BTC. Why would the miners make a change? If this 60% is just Luke and friends spinning cheap Sybil nodes like it happened recently, miners will ignore it. If the 60% are nodes with a 60% crowd of users behind, like we had in 2016, miners will start paying attention. >ESPECIALLY if that change had some kind of threat to miner incentives (profitability & future profitability)? Bip110 was forcing the spammers to use more block space to achieve the same result (surprise, it didn't stop the spam at all), which incentvied the miners "profitability & future profitability" and yet, they ignored it. **ESPECIALLY, because the majority of nodes and users ignored it**. In 2017, miners didn't ignore segwit, despite losing "profitability & future profitability" due to [ASICboost](https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/mining-manufacturer-blocking-segwit-benefit-asicboost). **ESPECIALLY, because the majority of nodes and users wanted it.** >In this hypothetical Instead of hypothetical, I gave you REAL examples that happened. Try to read them, and research everything, instead of listening to the scammers. >The reality is, the node runners could fork, and because they have no mining power (in comparison) they will forever be the shorter chain. Less mining power doesn't necessary means shorter chain, even if the fork stays at the same algo. Since 2017, Bitcoin is "the shorter chain". Bcash is currently at block number 968,580 while Bitcoin is at 967,088. I'm honestly too lazy to check on other forks but I'm sure, at least one of them will have even longer chain. The longest chain isn't everything. >Do Do you forget that part of BTC's value proposition is it's network effect? It's length of uptime? Just BTC existing for a longer amount of time than any of it's competitors is a factor in why its more valuable today. This is your only correct assumption, mate. And that's the reason, why if you're proposing a BIP, you need to convince as much of people as possible. 20% Sybil nodes won't cut it. Even trying to force the change with only 60% of nodes as in your scenario would be bloody difficult. You don't want to force or break anything, you want to **make Bitcoin better**. You won't make Bitcoin better by forcing people to use your idea, like Roger, Faketoshi and Jihan tried in 2017, nor Luke, Mechanic and Krater in 2026. You make Bitcoin better when you convince people how it helps them. >Don't forget that two mining pools already currently make up 43% of hash.. so "Secure" is surface level of course. You're wrong again, mate. Lukecoin for example had currently one pool that made over 60% of hash alone. I bet they forgot to tell you about that. Anyway, pools =/= miners. I'm a small miner myself. I'm also a part of one pool. Should this pool start acting strange or forcing a change I don't like, it'll take me about one minute to point my machines to another pool. Pools are here to make money too. Not to ruin their reputation and kill their income within an hour. If you think Bitcoin is not secure, you should probably sell your coins and use a "more secure" shitcoin. >From first principles, there's no incentive for miners to listen to node runners. Wrong. I just showed you examples from the past. Not scenarios, made in your head. >They don't work for anyone but themselves. Wrong. They work for the network. They earn from the network bitcoin for themselves. >They are corporations, regulated by governments, Not all. Thousands of miners like myself out there too. There's more small unregulated miners out there than corporations. >with one driving force: profitability. Correct for the corporations. Not for everyone. We, small miners care about more than that. I value the non-KYC'd coins more than coins bought at some shitcoin casino, for example. >To say otherwise would be going against basic economic incentive structure. Nothing's absolute, mate. I just gave you my reason. Do you think Satoshi mined just for profit too? How about the thousands of people between Satoshi and now?

alphacarrera3

Indeed. Ignore the noise, just HODL, my brother of a different mother

IBAN-IBON64

HODL 💪 3 à 4 ans

CyanDew

that’s my plan. i’m building my HODL bag that’ll be untouched till 2065. then i’ve got my spending bag that i DCA in and DCA out with the cycles. that way a portion of my sats will always stay in my possession as fiat devalues itself over time. it’s nothing but a waiting game of conviction and dedication. the secret to success with anything is perseverance.

Dull_Ad5440

Buy some BTC, go online and declare HODL and To the Moon. Profit. Or not.

Lucky-Campaign-8965

That may be a good strategy to turn some coins into a house, car, boat, plane or whatever after holding for a decade. Go for it. Let someone else hold them for a decade. Anything less than a decade is for weaklings who can’t HODL.

Additional-Ask-2775

HODL

Spirited-News-7461

If you bought in 2013, and you sold everything this year, you will be doing quite well. The purpose of HODL doesn’t mean you never sell, it just means you don’t jump ship when everyone else is jumping ship. Even if you bought at the peak of the year, which was $1132, that is still a massive win with today’s price $76,800. Even with the tax and transfer fees- you would hugely successful.

SteveW928

Just wanted to note for readers, that this isn't a good strategy. Buy early, and HODL has certainly worked out great for many. But, the 'forget about it' part could be quite dangerous. For example, I bet there are lots of ColdCard users who created a wallet a few years back, who will some day go to check their balance, and find it (to their surprise) at zero! Or, as recent events have illuminated, maybe the protocol changes away out from under us. Bitcoin is something where we need to be paying attention and even participating, not 'set it and forget it.'

IBAN-IBON64

HODL 💪

Additional-Ask-2775

HODL forever

Dramatic-Battle-9737

No playbook, just HODL. I had to stop my DCA due to saving for a house deposit. Will pick it back up next cycle.

OutlandishnessLimp25

Since 2017 my playbook has been the same: BUY. STACK. HODL.

martinbogo

*yawn* Call me back when it crosses 99k again, ‘kay? *goes back to HODL* Actually, don’t bother calling… continues to sleep on it.

Heatsincebirth

It's not one group. It's three separate groups that do not move hand in hand. Institutions (Harvard, pensions etc) and corporations (Tesla, Strategy etc) and governments (UAE, US, China, El Salvador etc) do not have a common focus that would cause them to buy, sell or HODL in the same way, for the same reason or with the same time preference. There is no danger to Bitcoin based on the sum of their holdings.

LucaRossi0

Work hard to buy Bitcoin, then lazy hard to stay rich. Buy and HODL is the ultimate cheat code.

BillWells333

Isn't it safe to just own Bitcoin in an exchange like Gemini and HODL it there for the next decade or two? Sell or borrow feom.it when needed somehow?

bestjaegerpilot

so what hunter is saying is that he didn't rugpull, someone else did this is absolutely moronic---what do you think would happen? everyone would HODL out of the goodness of their hearts? come on

SpendHefty6066

Anyone who uses leverage treats Bitcoin like an instrument to increase their fiat stack. Bitcoiners HODL to reduce their fiat stack. We are not the same.

Level_Up_71737

Bitcoin is rapidly being ingratiated into the global financial system and is being adopted by individuals, institutions & governments alike. IMO this may be the absolute worst time in history to sell. HODL and your future self will thank you. Just my opinion. Good find & good luck.

Heatsincebirth

It won't be never but it sure ain't gonna be now. No way this gets thru in September. The Dems will not give Trump a "win" ahead of the midterms. Bitcoin doesn't care but the overall crypto adoption by wall Street will be delayed as a result. Unfortunately not passing this now will give other countries more of a chance to get ahead in crypto, decentralization and tokenization. Again, Bitcoin doesn't care and may be better off without wall street. I prefer main street adoption but I'm hard core HODL either way.

WD40Capital

You gotta do what’s right for you. Based on the cycles you’ve been through, you probably know the upswing is imminent. If you can HODL for one more year… but since you’re already in profit. There is no wrong decision.

AeonOnline

A cool way to measure this that I've come up with is to use Glassnode HODL waves to see how the holderbase responds to price increases and decreases (+/-10%). A lower SSC is better. I generally like coins that hold remain stable on both sides. This tells me the belief is pure. https://preview.redd.it/tu0pw50e9boh1.png?width=1063&format=png&auto=webp&s=1b7ab6664d4114634e7ff4207fdb72382d78d685

Cebas42

Just HODL and don't take reddit so seriously. Trust your past self that bought and hodl. This is the best path.

AeonOnline

This is pretty fascinating. I used Glassnode HODL waves to understand how the holderbase behaves in large up and down moves (+/-10%). I like communities that don't budge on price moves and continue to show strong HODL culture. https://preview.redd.it/rx5ap2kk5boh1.png?width=1077&format=png&auto=webp&s=8c793db85f919e148d59ebbdd22dccc0ead5e128

PRESTO_X

Welcome my friend!!!! HODL

hekermon

don't HODL, sell when it's ATH and buy again when it's down

nqbaby

I used to be a full crypto retard back in the day. I wished I had treated it more like a business transaction. Buy and sell, realise profits, use the profits to then make more money whether it be investments or buy and sell btc again. The amount of money I left on the table because of stupid crypto retards that said HODL HODL HODL, think long term etc. In a way they are correct, but the amount of times, i could have bought and sold during the cycles, i would have made way more. Im now a day trader and I love being in and out of the trade, couldn't care less if the trade ran 2 or 3x more than my take profit target. Just discipline and staying away from greediness has made me profitable. Maybe leave 10% of your stack and forget about it, if it goes to 0, who cares and if it goes up, well that's extra cash for ya. Happy retirement!

Foreign-Concept-1184

We will have arrived, when the analysis is discussed regarding the international rates for Satoshis and their impact on the currency markets. Then the reality of the "Bitcoin" era will come into focus. Hope I live to see it. My grandkids are getting all of my Bitcoin investments. Treat Bitcoin as a stock or leverage play today. Hope you have no regrets tomorrow. HODL

TranslatorFine

Sure will \#HODL ✊🏼

ThunderBurrn

I have the same plan... HODLing since 2022 and I'm going to HODL whatever little I have, till 2036-38, around retirement age (10-12 years later) then move the 3/4th into FIAT, pay taxes as one can recoup them post investing and HODLing in MFs. Ideally invest in traditional assets that let it compund every 6-7 years afterwards. 10-12% IRR annually. Can keep the 1/4th to enjoy the show, and leave as inheritance after I pass... 😌

usedmattress85

I dunno. I sold my entire bag at $113k and bought back at $65k. By the time we get back to $113k that’s a 1.73x on my money because I didn’t HODL

Proof_Biscottiiiii

Sell a little bit, and HODL

MS_Bizness_Man

I have an amount that if it becomes worth I’ll sell half to pay off my business loans and recoup my original investment back. The other half is to be HODL’d for good to be given to my heirs.

NoCrying_InTheCasino

HODL her forever

SpendHefty6066

Why sell Bitcoin when you earn fiat and live below your means? Greshams Law. Stack HODL be humble.

ThunderBurrn

Absolutely! A must do especially if one plans to HODL for long!!!

restore_democracy

Buy, HODL, repeat.

Argyrus777

Best forced HODL strategy

Competitive_Start385

HODL a whole coin for another 15-20 years. Borrow against it. Retire. 

Witte-666

I don't do the “endgame.” I buy during the bear market and sell during the bull market. Rinse and repeat. IMO, holding crypto forever is basically betting that today’s hype will somehow last forever. It’s still a speculative market driven heavily by sentiment, narratives and the greater-fool theory. It could collapse tomorrow because something better comes along, slowly die as people lose interest, or get crippled by security and trust issues. The idea that you should just “HODL forever” and ignore all of that is more faith than investment strategy.

GigglesFor1000Alex

HODL

Practical-Manner1065

My son turns 18 in 2033 and I told him he can do what he wants once he turns 18. I’m going to HODL until then as well we invested small amounts when it was between 17-31k and haven’t moved any since

TattooedCFO

HODL until we talk about the value of BTC by the Sat

tennisfreak2k9

Keep stacking and HODL

WeCanTripleIt

This is why I HODL with Fidelity. No self-custody risk.

jmorais00

HODL

FMLuck

Ya I bought at 20-30k. Didn’t want to HODL cause I did a round trip the cycle before.

MXV999

DCA and HODL. Bought my first BTC end of 2020 and haven’t sold a satoshi since then

SpendHefty6066

Up, down, sideways: DCA...Stack...HODL. Sticking to the program.

Early-Ad-2005

Just HODL

realdanknowsit

**You HODL that shit. 💎🙌🚀🌕**

002Chris

Just HODL now.

Foreign-Concept-1184

Can't help but notice the silence from the daily trolls about "the inevitable death spiral to zero..." So quiet today. HODL

Extra-Tip1259

I don’t know what to expect anymore bar the only good advice I’ve taken from here is HODL

Aromatic_Wasabi_864

Sell it!? Sell it for what? You HODL Bruh, for eternity.

Tall-Ad1293

Volatilities come and go, but the math never changes. 21 million hard cap, decentralized network, and ticking blocks. I’m not selling my future for short-term fiat gains. HODL.

Choice_Potato_6279

HODL ETH $10K EOY I swear on my mother. 

Flimsy_Somewhere_329

HODL

MS_Bizness_Man

You can’t live in bitcoin. Having a paid for house is still a good investment but more importantly it’s peace of mind. I disagree with all of the prop about never owning a home. I HODL BTC BTW.

Riskismyapellido

Here is the only way to keep holding. This apple only if u are really an early holder with a super low cost basis in the hundreds or maybe 1k-10k. JUST GO ABOUT YOUR LIFE AS IF U WOULD HAVE NEVER HEARD ABOUT BITCOIN. Don't consider yourself rich when it's high and poor when it's low. Until it hires 1.000.000$ per coin, for u it simply does not exist. That was and is THE approach. Literally just HODL. The  confidence inducing tailwind is that institutions started backing it. That was all I needed to calm ANY anxiety or FOMO

Foreign-Concept-1184

I Do my monthly DCA automatically, bought another .0025 Bitcoin. In June, my auto DCA bought .0032 Bitcoin. I hope I can afford Bitcoin. By September 1, 2027... HODL

LukeTheHolder

DCA & HODL is the winning strategy, this is obvious fact, checked by others many times. Nothing to think about, no sense to consider selling if you don't have to. I focus on my work to gather more fiat and exchange for more bitcoins.

CompetitionDouble420

I mine and HODL, that's literally it. That's the strategy, and I stick to it. Do my best not to get emotional about it when it swings either way, thought it's easier said than done. I just stick to the plan, no matter what. The highs are euphoric, the lows are depressing. Either way it doesn't matter. HODL what I earn, plain and simple. Get as much of it as I possibly can and hold onto it for at least the next 2-3 decades, then go from there.

SpendHefty6066

When the USD fiat price dips, did your sat count change? The ratio of your stack to the total issuance cannot be changed by anyone other than you. In contrast, there is no concept of "total issuance" with fiat. They print by the Trillion diluting the buying power of any fiat saver. No one can dilute your sats stack. Why would I sell the hardest money humanity has ever used? I mean, if you have a medical emergency, of course you sell. But there is no "taking profits" or "cashing in". Bitcoin is the profit. Read more. Stack sats. HODL.

TheresNoSecondBest

Monkey HODL, monkey smart, monkey hungry now.

BidAccomplished7720

I was called a full for selling at 110k🤣🤣🤣🤝 gotta know when to HODL or FOLD

unknownfazeA

i really don't give a fuck. DCA and HODL

WeCanTripleIt

Why not just HODL on Fidelity?

Serenaded

like every 2 years or so Kraken will prevent me from withdrawing while I do AML/KYC checks (my account has just over a mil in assets staked, I trust kraken as my bank for this). That's the most inconvenient it gets, but it's usually resolved extremely quickly. Been a happy customer of Kraken for 7 years now. I wouldn't trust any other exchange to actually HODL on.

TheresNoSecondBest

It's called Magic Internet Money after all. All you need is to HODL exactly 6.15 BTC and you're all set.

TheresNoSecondBest

People suggesting Wise are probably correct. You can buy bitcoin on your own instead if you wish. From what I've read, you can buy bitcoin in India at many places BUT the regulated ones, WON'T let you to send it to your own wallet. If that's still the case, they would have to use p2p like BISQ, Robosats or already own the bitcoin and have keys to it. So yes, if they own the bitcoin already, it would be easy for you to receive it and HODL. But if they have to buy it and learn everything, Wise is much better option.

argnsoccer

I truly believed in the math. A friend brought me the white paper in 10th grade and we both agreed to HODL. Only issue was I didnt have any money so I onoy put in like $100/yr. I had 2 wallets and one of them was online somehow and got hacked (I didnt know much at the time). My other wallet I sold when the price hit 5k... for about 3k. Which was a crazy amount to make from the couple hundred I had put in for sure, but not life-changing like some may think (I used some to buy drugs over the years too). It takes a lot of things together to be able to really profit off of something like that. I was mostly using Bitcoin as a currency and also just didnt have the money to put into it (still put in birthday money). So even with knowledge and belief in the tech, I still didnt crazily profit.

dumbcryptoquestions

There is no freakout only HODL

JackfruitHorror6051

Smart man. Just HODL

XofHelix

Just buy Bitcoin and HODL

Jellydude25

I will never sell my BTC. I can use it to secure a loan if I need liquidity, but the commodity itself is a HODL. I buy MSTR to take profits at the top of the cycle, to buy more Bitcoin. swing trade BMNR to raise short to mid term cash!

Emergency_Dish_1213

It's on the way back down crypto-bro. You shouldn't care if you're a long term HODL-tard. It's just noise.

ResponsibleFloor5430

No, I was in before the pump. I’m not a very good investor but I was HODL. 🤷‍♂️

Even-Outcome-2342

This is what I’m thinking. They had a very active secret chat group. Lots of mention of HODL. They may even be no longer with us. I’d be happy for them. If they did, I think they unlocked the ultimate cheat code. I offer up a toast to them. Well done lads (possibly).

Books_Biker99

HODL? You mean hold? Or does HODL stand for something?

DJjarell

HODL! cheers

Stock-Performer4939

HODL 😬😬

ReferenceRealistic78

Ironically, 'losing your seed phrase for 12 years' is statistically the highest-performing crypto strategy in history. Every quantitative model we build is essentially just trying to beat this 'forced HODL' benchmark. It has zero slippage, zero trading fees, and completely eliminates emotional panic selling during drawdowns. Sometimes the best infrastructure is just forgetting your password.

VishalJ_05

That’s an insane 12-year HODL story 😂 £1,500 turning into £3.3M and then actually getting the coins back feels like winning the Bitcoin lottery twice.

Embarrassed-Bath-781

Exactly. HODL through the noise. See you in 2035 🫡₿

SpecificArugula9909

HODL is the best strategy. 

Chuchugi

HODL my friend.

Embarrassed-Bath-781

That's the real strategy 😂 HODL first, figure out the bills later.

Frosty_Reporter_1250

HODL

Mr-Not-So-Serious

HODL

OGNephew

Just be ready to HODL

Temporary-Cause730

HODL Don't trust, verify To the moon!

Physical_Tea9389

The hardest part isn’t watching BTC pump—it’s staying disciplined when everyone suddenly turns bullish. 🚀 HODL if your thesis hasn’t changed, but don’t let FOMO turn a good run into a bad entry. Take profits, manage risk, and let the market do its thing. 📈

ThunderBurrn

If you keep buying and HODL for a really really long time, say for your retirement, I'll should be good...

Sunnyjim333

Don't gamble. Keep your 401K. DCA Bitcoin. Only buy what you can afford to lose. If you give up door dash and cook your own meals, use that as your Bitcoin monthly buy. If you dump cable tv and get a ROKU then use that money. You get an end of year bonus at work, throw it into BTC. Get a side gig at a mall store, sell stuff on ebay. My co-worker buys high end shoes at thrift stores and resells them on ebay. Stak SATs and HODL. That's it, so simple, so hard.

jaxxon

130k buyer reporting in... 🫡 First buy some years ago was in the 60k range, though, so my average is.. well, my average is still fucked. Butt hay. We HODL.

OutlandishnessLimp25

Nobody knows. My approach has been to buy and hold, been doing so since 2017. I haven’t sold a single sat, only accumulation. Sold all four of my properties between 2020-2025 most of those dollars went into Bitcoin. I didn’t need the cash flow, certainly didn’t want the headaches, and I’ll do everything and anything to avoid realtors (only about 1% of realtors know what they’re doing), the CAGR of Bitcoin was and still is my draw. (And of course regardless who is in office the dollar will continue to be printed into an oblivion.) In 1984 you could’ve bought 1 share or BRK.A for $1,500. Today, 1 share of BRK.A is $755,000. Those who bought and held for the longterm made far more than most traders thinking they have a crystal ball. I believe this will be a similar story for Bitcoin. We will see Bitcoin at $1M per Bitcoin before 2040 perhaps even before 2037. We are so early. Bitcoin is a mere 17 years old, of which institutions have only been participating for a few of those years. With the dollar continuing to lose 3-4% per year, and Bitcoin CAGR being very strong, my conviction remains solid. Buy & HODL