HODL

Famous-Ebb3041

If you look loooooong term (cycle to cycle), everything between now and then is just opportunity to buy (if it's red) or a time to wait (if it's green). The lower your basis, the more profit you show when it goes up into the green. I'm sitting on about $1,500 of profit and I WANT it to go into the red, so I can buy more! Oh, well... it can't go low enough... it can't go high enough. "HODL til you waddle!"

Famous-Ebb3041

Work your way up to where you want to be! In 2021, I sometimes bought as little as 1/10,000th of 1 Bitcoin at a time. Often, 1/1000th of a Bitcoin. Week by week. Month by month. Here a little. There a little. My average basis is about $48,000, so unless it dips THAT low, I'm never getting out of profit. I'd LIKE to, but... I'm at where I'm at with 10% of 1 BTC (0.10BTC). And I'm good. But if you're on the high end (like now), when you started gathering, just buy while you're in the red. As much as you can afford to lose (not that you will, but it's wise advice, nevertheless) and just HODL it til the next cycle (2028/2029). Remember the rule, "Where it has BEEN, it can always get back TO.". Oh, and... "HODL til you waddle!" :-D

Next_Complaint_1343

Do my own thing and HODL

Godex_io

HODL forever isn’t a strategy, it’s a personality trait at this point Real ones don’t "never sell" - they just don’t tell you when they do

Appropriate_Tart5959

✅ Absolutely agree! **DCA + HODL** is always the most reliable survival strategy for both beginners and experienced investors—don't gamble on tops and bottoms, buy regularly in fixed amounts, hold, and don't make any rash moves. Time and compound interest will smooth out the volatility. Lyn Alden's *Broken Money* is a must-read masterpiece. She explains the technological evolution of money from ancient times to the present, why the current fiat system is becoming increasingly "broken," and its possible future directions with incredible clarity and insight. After reading it, you will have a completely different understanding of why Bitcoin/hard currency is important. Highly recommended for anyone interested in money, inflation, deflation, and Bitcoin (available in print, Kindle, and audio versions). Beginners, just remember this: **Stack sats, stay humble, read Lyn.** 🚀

ChanceCash6708

The first thing is making an investing plan, and stay by you're plan. When you deviate why did you make youreinvesting plan. Stick by you're plan and if the price drops like 20 à 30% buy some more if you have some more cash. And HODL it for life. Good luck

Bodhisluttva

This isn’t the sub to ask. They’ll tell you it’s always a good time to buy, to HODL and never sell, etc… But this is actually a great time to enter the market. Just be prepared that the “price” will go down before it goes up. It’s good for you though. I started buying BTC at $55,000 and had to stomach it going down to $16,000 before it went to $120,000. Set up an account with Strike or River and buy regular/automatic weekly amounts. Ignore the price as much as possible. Ignore charts except for maybe the 200 week SMA. When it’s close to the SMA line, it’s a particularly good time to buy.

AcostaJA

What I'll do? First, stop reading candles as if it where an horoscope, witchboards, because are the dumbest method of risk investment. No single day in Bitcoin is similar to other, period. Only timely even that really has an impact on Bitcoin is halving because it limits the supply that requires being sold to pay for power needed to mine new blocks. Then Bitcoin it's jus another scarce asset , mostly affected by the same political and regulatory events, no magical 'cycles', if you actually believe there are a rye cycle in Bitcoin, surely you believe in horoscope, and I'm convinced that someone smarter than you will use your beliefs against you because are dumb to anticipate bay an adversary trader. Every Bull or Bear runs has an clear trigger event, everyone, that kind of events are the ones you need to anticipate. Meanwhile the best advice is given Bitcoin is scarce by design , don't think on short time lapses, but on long, doesn't matter whatever the fluctuations at some point an new ATH will be reached, and how you accumulated it's whats matter. If you're just a short term trader looking for quick profits, sorry I don't have advice for you. But if you really want to be member of the Bitcoin gang, just DCA & HODL.🫡✌️👍

BlazingPalm

Great questions - the answers are all customized to your situation. I believe BTC is the future of money and we’re still early for a transition so massive. Emotions and fears can be helpful, but they should be tempered. I think DCA and HODL strategy take the emotion out of it and are super easy for most to understand and implement. But basically, the plan is to get rich slowly, but faster than traditional stocks and bonds (real estate would be great, but I can’t yet afford shit in that space). I think we all are living in a very unique time with regards to BTC and it’s quite the generational opportunity. Also, it’s unbelievable and despicable what the US “leadership” is imposing on the world and it seems like the goal is to speedrun the collapse of the dollar. I wish to my own detriment that the US dollar will last longer, but it seems to be melting at an alarming rate, just like the polar icecaps. I am grateful for an escape hatch in this misery.

InformationTypical32

The best advice is : 1. Never FOMO 2. Buy the dip. 3. If you miss the ATH selling , Don't be sad just HODL.

Any2Aces

I don't think that I will get a whole coin but I will DCA and HODL as much as I can.

_SlipperySalmon_

I'm jealous of people who had been in game long enough to trim off some profits near the top. Ive only entered the game the last few years, so didn't know anything about prior cycles, etc. My plan in future is to have a HODL stack that I just never sell, and DCA into, but also have a separate stack for selling off some profits with hope of a re-entry lower

datascienceinvestor

Interesting concept, but I’d be careful equating “trustless” with “low risk.” In my opinion, risk is merely shifted from custodians to smart contracts, oracles, and liquidation mechanics. Those can fail in less obvious ways, especially in volatile markets. If vaults can truly handle stress (volatility, liquidity crunch, cascades), it’s a big unlock for BTC productivity. But for now, I’d still treat it as higher risk than simple HODL + traditional borrowing. I might not know enough of it and will be happy to hear other viewpoints.

Trade_Logic_

Its hard and I learnt the hard way like a lot of people, although it seems like its all over, you have to learn and move on, I have several tools and lots to learn from on my site, but for now the best advise is not to use leverage at all and just HODL any bitcoin you have, that the best way to beat the system, believe me there is a system thats out to get your coins.

BaldBear_13

HODL for the God of HODL!!! never mind that if he gets liquidated, all of his HODLings will be sold.

Ge_Yo

HODL then borrow is a solid plan. What’s your take on Trustless Bitcoin Vaults, which will unlock ways for BTC to be productive in lending, borrowing, and other on-chain use cases while keeping full custody?

Ge_Yo

HODL then borrow is a solid plan. What’s your take on Trustless Bitcoin Vaults, which will unlock ways for BTC to be productive in lending, staking, and more while keeping full custody?

Subject_Reward

Well worth it. I'm a big fan of [ColdCard](http://coldcard.com), specifically the coldcard Q, its full keyboad and QR scanner make it pretty easy to navigate. Lots of tutorials on how to use it. One thing I love most about it is that it meets the Bitcoiner where you are on your journey. If you just want to HODL and stack sats, its great for that. If you want to send lots of tx's and are living off Bitcoin it also has great features for that. It really is the best wallet on the market.

prebzn

It’s a volatile market, no matter what you invest in, it’s gonna go up, down and sideways. It’s not a «get rich fast» kinda thing, unless you’re really lucky and the market is in a good state. If you did your research, just have faith in what you invested in and HODL, or take your losses and sell if you can’t stand the volatility.

Recent_Bicycle_6042

The future is going to be even harder than it is now. And if you HODL forever they can’t inflate it away to drop bombs on people like they can if you’re in dollars. You’re just being greedy right now.

GIGAbtcHodl

Heard people selling their property to buy BTC and HODL :)) the app might be good, not sure about the idea tho

goferalsf

HODL

HelicopterAlone6281

$HODL on Solana

AdWitty4949

HBAR I’ll HODL. I believe by 2030, - 2035, that shit is gonna be my retirement. What an easy grab, to buy that shit now and just put it aside and the returns in 5-10 years will be more than any shit ass severance or retirement package any employer bank or long term investment will give.

Famous-Ebb3041

If you're in the red... buy more. If you're in the green, HODL. Period. My average (basis) is about $48,000 so I'm gonna be in the green for a loooong way down. 10% of 1BTC is better than none and "it's easy being green". :-D

amirdc

Turning small swings into almost 5k? That’s some pro HODL + timing magic🔥

fucken_jim

People HODL for when shit really hits the fan. When fiat goes the way of the weimar mark, what do you want to be holding? A finite digital money nobody can take from you, or your fiat "profit"?

Obvious_Interview298

I aped into BTC via a home equity agreement through Horizon (joinhorizon.com) a few months back. DEFINITELY caught closer to the top, but very happy with my decision now lol. HODL.

amirdc

"Mate, that’s how you HODL 😏 Diamond hands only 💎✋

ClonedY

If you are planning to invest a Stable value ($10k) and expecting a Stable return ($600-$900), why are you even asking here? Ask @ r/StableCoins. In Bitcoin, you are supposed to invest and HODL at least for a halving cycle.

goodvibesfab

Because if you are not a professional trader you will very, very, very likely loose with this strategy for so many reasons. It's like if a bunch of us randomly picked from this group would go down in a football, basket, baseball or soccer field with ANY of the current professional teams, we'd NEVER touch the ball once LOL, they'd win 1000 to zero!You are competing against skyscrapers full of datacenters and people glued to their computer screens 24/7, so unless you like doing that (different story -> pro trader) forget it. "Focus on your trade and stack sats" (DCA + HODL) beats almost everything because it is "set it and forget it". I still have friends that in 2017 told me: "I'm going to wait it go down to 1K then I'll start buying" ... they are still waiting.

word-dragon

Just view the bitcoin as your savings account. You add to it when you can by selling fiat, and, if you really need it, buy some fiat. I don’t plan to HODL forever, but have no interest in buying fiat just for the privilege of paying taxes on it, and watching it dwindle in value. I expect to treat it that way until I die.

859Anthony22

I bought 1.8 btc, and 3+ eth at 18yo (I'm 25 now). Sold at almost 20yo 😭 Should've HODL'd dat sheit. Did that twice now. I've now started a 401k, roth ira, and started buying back into eth (at 2.0eth and 950xrp now). My goal is to keep my stingy fingers off of things atleast until I'm 35.

malacosa

But Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, NVidea and HODL

Famous-Ebb3041

Where I am, right now, is a sweet spot... can't go low enough... can't go high enough. It's over $1,500 in the green right now. It goes higher, great! If it drops into the red, I'm happy, because I can accumulate more before the next bull cycle. I trust what Bitcoin will do, long-term, not the daily/weekly candle freakouts! I'm not a trader, I'm a Gather-HODLer... "HODL til you waddle!".

malacosa

HODL forever is a completely ridiculous concept. If you’ve bought in at $10k and BTC went to $1 million, and THAT amount was life changing for you, you’d be an absolute fool not to sell. In fact, I’d argue most HODLers in at $10k have either sold already or would not be able to withstand the urge to sell as BTC approached $1 million.

TripsterX

I think HODL merely refers to the strategy of aiming not to sell ever despite price action. I think that each of us have an idea in our minds about how BTC could be our 'escape' I honestly think HODL is the way to go, but selling to fulfill a meaningful, and positive change in your life, whether its paying off mortgage, paying off other debts, re-investment into property for example: that is BTC being used well. Selling however because you want to "enjoy the money" and go qnd live your best life goijg buying lavish cars which only create more debt, that i wouldnt understand and would say is a foolish idea. I guess its highly subjective what would make people sell. Anyone feel free to share what your end goal would be if you were able to sell even most of your BTC one day, what would be your idea youd like to do with your profits?

Ge_Yo

HODL yeah!!

Squeiner

Read the original post where "HODL" comes from. That explains it quite well. Pit pat piffy wing wong wang

omg_its_dan

Has nothing to do with you being negative or positive. This is not meant to be a trading sub. These just clog up the sub and are ultimately property pointless because no one really has a clue what’s going to happen. DCA and HODL. If you’re dead set on losing money day trading there are other subs (eg, r/BitcoinTrader).

Ge_Yo

awesome! HODL man!

Ill_Location4524

I take “HODL” as a general rule, i.e. *generally speaking* it is better to buy and hold BTC than to trade BTC. Put another way: Its core value is in storing and appreciating value over time, not trying to time ins and outs and tops and bottoms.

LuckyLoveDK

For me I just HODL until I hit my mark - selling high and buying more low I try to avoid simply because of taxing - every time I sell I would have to give up almost half to taxes so for me - I stay in btc and few crypto until I hit my goal and then I will diversify somewhat more or just live happily ever after and settle down somewhere more crypto friendly 🥳

OkBuy4754

Timing tops destroys EV; whipsaws and taxes kill gains. HODL variance wins long-term. I've profited stacking cycles without selling.

Able-Upstairs-9875

Are you a trader or an investor? If you try to trade the market you will likely lose over the long term. This is why we HODL. Think in terms of 10 years not 10 months.

OutlandishnessLimp25

Statistically, most people can’t time the market ie., what you’re proposing, most will fail to execute successfully. The best investors are good at doing nothing for long periods of time. HODL

spencerspage

HODL doesn’t need “forever” attached to the end. Holding on for ‘Dear Life’ is for the life you are willing to save up price appreciation for. CASE CLOSED.

neosBentSpoon

HODL made more sense in the early days when the network was beginning its adoption curve, but now that everyone knows about it, tens of millions of people have exposure, governments are talking about it, and Wall St is trading it now is the time to start using it. Bitcoin is money and many of us use it as such. It's a very good form of money too if you've spent an hour learning how to do it properly. Now is the era of using it as money: spend and replace.

ReliantToker

​THE "STRAIT OF HORMUZ" DECOUPLING ​While the legacy markets are shivering at the prospect of energy-driven inflation—with the Nikkei and US futures slipping as oil supply through the Strait of Hormuz remains tight—Bitcoin has effectively checked out of that correlation. ​In a massive show of strength, Bitcoin surged nearly 4% to hit $75,921 early today, its highest level since early February. This move is significant because it’s happening against the grain of traditional risk assets. While the S&P 500 and Nasdaq are grappling with the fallout of the US-Iran conflict, Bitcoin is increasingly being treated as a cross-border liquidity bridge and a geopolitical hedge. ​The internal mechanics of the market support this shift. We’ve seen a clear move of assets into long-term custody, even as prices hold this psychologically heavy $75k zone. With Tokyo-listed Metaplanet securing another $255 million to follow the MSTR playbook, the "Corporate HODL" is not just an American phenomenon—it is a global race to capture the last few liquid satoshis before the supply-demand imbalance becomes irreversible.

Quirky-Reveal-1669

Excellent, comprehensive response. Very little to add. Only that I would personally recommend Trezor (Safe 3 or 5) if you mainly DCA and HODL. For reasons of simplicity. And for all cases: do properly backup your seed and use a passphrase backed up separate from the seed.

GreenStretch

Anybody who was investing for retirement in traditional assets before bitcoin completely understands the HODL for decades mentality.

spencerspage

HODL doesn’t need “forever” attached to the end. “Holding on for ‘Dear Life’” is the life you are willing to save up price appreciation for. CASE CLOSED.

starfox-skylab

HODL was a typo suggestion from a drunk man. Get a grip.

Alternative-Wash2019

Sell when price goes up and, buy when price goes down, repeat, simple as that. The only assets you should HODL are assets that you actually use, like a house that you live in.

datascienceinvestor

HODL and borrow against it in due time.

Garblin

To echo what others are saying "HODL" is more of a mindset that the point is not to have it until you can sell it later, it's to have it until you *spend* it. BTC is currency, you don't need to sell a currency, you just *spend it*. I'm HODLing until I have enough to retire, at which point... I'll start spending it. I'm not converting it to USD or EUR or whatever until the month I have to (if I even have to, there's an increasing number of places you can spend without converting).

usedmattress85

I’m continually told on this sub that HODL’ing is life. You can’t time the market. DCA is the way, etc. Well I timed the BTC market multiple times now. So far it’s an incredibly predictable 4 year cycle. Timing it is easy. I sold at $110k and shorted. Now I’m all cash and waiting for the bottom around October. And doing this will make me 3-4x as much money as HODLing would do. Yet apparently I’m the dumbass. In short yes I think HODL forever is a trap. It will make you money but it’s not as much as what I do. I don’t nail the exact top or bottom but I still catch a lot of the larger moves up and avoid most of the fall, (plus short it).

iam-leon

The only people who tell others to forever HODL, are those planning when to sell. If you never sell, your asset has no financial value.

bistromatik

Hab auch lange nur HODL gemacht. Bin mittlerweile dazu übergegangen, ca. 30 % jedes Coins immer wieder zu verkaufen (hoch) und neu nachzukaufen (tief) Gleiches Geld, mehr Coins....

Alt_Of_CZ

#HODL does not necessarily mean you can not use the Bitcoin. One may use his BTC to provide Liquidity to Lightning channels and earn Sats from it. Now, he may sell those Sats through BISQ to pay for daily needs.

Nementon

I HODL during bull runs, then sell it all, simple.

LazyGeneration

HODL, but this year I might try a new strategy. To pay my taxes with a bitcoin backed loan. The technology for this one is really interesting and good. I will use liquidium.fi

BrainWeaselHeenan

You don’t HODL forever. You just HODL until you have life-changing money and you can spend some of it on a life-changing item/asset.

BeginningMost6014

HODL my BTC... but stake my SOL via BSOL

wowza-lol

The entire point of HODL is to artificially help the number go up. HODL is propaganda and mind control. If you have a bunch of people selling their Bitcoin, the price would go down. Then more selling, more price drop. Then to zero. Can't have that!

Majestic_Can_6363

HODL, and stack more and more.

Neither_Plan_8387

HODL doesn't mean forever. Base of HODL strategy is: a) benefit on (highly volatile) resource' growth b) avoid trading losses and fees Nothing more. Not forever.

Any-Floor6982

Sell, HODL, trade.... who cares, for me there are two options. My children will inherit mine or I sell shortly before starving

Albert14Pounds

HODL forever isn't serious for most people. If you're never going to sell your Bitcoin then what's the point? The only valid answers I see are to borrow against it or to pass it on to your heirs. At some point you should spend some of that investment when you need to. Like when you retire or want to use it to become financially independent.

dynastyfriar

It’s a trap for people who are HODL mode but paying interest on their credit cards and personal loans. For me it’s part of a long term investment strategy so I’ll sell if I find another investment I prefer or in an emergency.

Big-Tennis-4538

If it all goes to sh1t, the HODL’ers will be left with worthless crypto long after everyone else cashes out. But if it doesn’t, then the patient HODL’ers will be sitting pretty.

ivanjurman

It’s HODL until you need the money, it’s better to keep it in bitcoin than in your mattress The whole point of money is, to spend it

Professional_Run2842

one of the two things will happen overtime ( think in decades) . Bitcoin will become default currency all over the world and this is what most HODL for life people in this sub believe. When that happens you will be millionare/billionare . If it doesn't happen then either we will continue to be in this limbo or BTC to zero. having an exit plan is for people who want to take advantage of the volatality , buy low sell high.

Hazys

This is why I wonder how others HODL take profits. Some told me 5 years later see how it go. Some even claim 10 years. End of the day no body know but base from BTC History. Another new high surely take some years. I do sell some but always maintain a fix amount of BTC. Partly also need some money for daily needs. This month I going to have some funds coming in. I will buy in BTC to maintain another fix amount of BTC.

omg_its_dan

First sentence nails it… it’s just a completely different mindset. HODL doesn’t mean never use or never spend.

NashDaypring1987

Yes!! There is a time to hold something and a time to sell something. Willing to bet the people that tell you to HODL sell from time to time. Take profit .... buy back lower... sell when you have a good profit. Rinse + repeat. No one says you have to sell it all. Take profits ... You'll feel better when you get hit with a 50% reduction in price.

GamerRevizor

let's see what happens next. HODL

jk_tx

look up "sunk cost fallacy", that's what HODL is called in traditional investments... :)

allen18walker

HODL!

Cryptomuscom

HODL. Everything else is just a distraction from the main goal.

RubxCuban

Great mentality. Keep stacking. HODL. - ER doctor in US

GIGAbtcHodl

You just buy and you HODL. That's it. No maintenance required.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Coinbase's recent transfer of $69.5 billion worth of Bitcoin and Ethereum from legacy wallets to new internal wallets created the appearance of significant selling activity on the blockchain. However, this was a planned internal security measure and not indicative of actual investor behavior. The movement of old coins distorted age-based metrics like HODL Waves and Coin Days Destroyed, which traders often use to analyze market trends. This highlights the limitations of blockchain data in interpreting motives behind transactions. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

allen18walker

HODL

brizdzi

HODL

OutlandishnessLimp25

Best advice I can give is similar to a 401k plan, automating savings is key. “Paying yourself first” ensures you don’t slack off and get into a bad habit of “I’m going to skip this month and start back up next month” That said, one of the pitfalls I’ve seen over the years (I started buying BTC in 2017) is people actually over buy Bitcoin in the short run. What I mean by this, is they get excited during a dip and buy more than they can quite literally afford to part ways with their fiat currency. In the days, weeks, months to come, they find themselves needing that cash for one reason or another and then have to sell Bitcoin to get their hands on some cash. Inevitably, these sells tend to be at a loss. (Not always but it typically works out that way) The lens I’ve always looked through is truly buying with money I have a near 0% chance of needing in the next 5 years. Of course this amount is different for everyone. I may not need to touch $50,000 for 5+ years, whereas Elon Musk could EASILY sock away $50million and not have to touch it for 5+ years (or ever). For some, that amount may be $500 or $100, regardless what the amount is, try to buy and hold at an amount that is very unlikely you’ll need to dip into. Of course emergencies come up and life happens but this strategy has helped me avoid ever selling. I’ve literally only bought and added to my stack. It’s a great feeling and sure dips/corrections suck on one hand because the number on the screen goes down (the value) but if you have true conviction for bitcoin long term, it really becomes viewed as, “sweet! Bitcoin is on sale again, buying more!” Short of having true conviction, it can be scary. Best of luck and just remember, you’re already ahead of many who don’t have conviction, haven’t begun to study bitcoin. Use that momentum to keep going. Stack and HODL!

mtnmahogany

I used to watch Max Keiser's show on RT regularly, back in the 2010's when he and Stacy broadcasted the show from London. Max predicted the success of the new blockchain technology, but I didn't pay too much attention. Over time, I began looking into it a little more. I visited at [bitcoin.org](http://bitcoin.org), and read the whitepaper (I have just enough technical and math knowledge that it did make some sense to me). --When the price of BTC rose to about 1K USD, I thought I was too late: I don't really have much money to invest, and I have never been in the stock market at all, so I was about to give up on the idea. Then in 2014 the debacle around the MtGox exchange happened, and Max Keiser pointed out that the problem was not with BTC itself, but with the exchange, and bad players who were attempting to "game the system." The price had dropped appreciably, down to about $500 USD and I saw my opportunity to get in. After struggling to find a reliable exchange that operated in the USA, I finally started an account with Coinbase and bought $100 worth of BTC. I also found out about the "HODL" philosophy by joining this very subreddit. I began reading and watching Andreas Antonopoulos, and learned about technical aspects. the importance of self-custody, and secure storage using a hardware wallet. I treated my BTC like a savings account rather than a trading scheme, and it has become the only savings plan that ever has been successful for me, even though the BTC price continued to drop for a while at the time, and I held on for a couple of years before I actually saw much in the way of gains. The lesson learned was that BTC truly resembles a hard asset like gold or other precious metals, but in a digital form.

Mairon923

Dont seel HODL IT TILL ITS 95+K AND MAKE SOME DECENT MONEY

Hutcho12

The only one swallowing anything will be those swallowing their losses if they HODL crypto an are left holding the bag once this whole thing collapses for the reasons Boris rightfully pointed out.

Last_Bid6511

I’m truly just a dabbler in crypto. It’s not ever more than 5 percent of my portfolio, which is mostly in stuff I bought 10+ years ago. I respectfully find it strange that you would suggest STRF right back to me. I see it is a fixed dividend via Strategy stock. I’m not convinced Strategy is durable enough for that TBH. Wouldn’t touch it. If I wanted that same dividend or more, I would just buy a bunch of Wendy’s at almost 9%, or a dividend etf with business I like more. I’m not in it for crypto points or looking to tie up money in Strategy or similar companies. Their dividend is no better than finding the same dividend elsewhere or having uncapped gains from a non-perpetual preferred stock. I like crypt because I like being able to make money when the stock market is closed sometimes. It’s good to have a slice of the pie if there is anything positive going on. I buy and sell crypto on swings, and admittedly win some & lose some. I find it interesting enough to keep up with the crypto market, and the intention is to get in on some swings here and there to turn it back into liquid cash. I 100% don’t trust others to hold their crypto and not crap their pants. For reference, I’ve owned the same shares in Simpson Strong Tie, Microsoft and Limbach for 5-10 years and mostly trust what I’ve seen from that community. For me, crypto is just fun money when it works, and sit and wait or cut my losses money when I poorly time things. I’ve never held crypto for more than a few weeks. It’s just not my thing, but I am an admitted opportunist. Other people don’t want to say it, but they’re out there prospecting for gold as well. Just because I don’t really fundamentally care about crypto doesn’t mean I won’t buy BTC at 80k last fall and sell it. Or try and fail to buy it again etc. I like that I can make money on it occasionally - and the market never closes - unlike my individual stocks. Call it strange, but that is literally what everyone’s goal is. That’s kind of my whole point with all this is that I think it’s a crock to think that so many people are buying and holding and looking out for each other. The market can’t even agree what any of this stuff is worth. Every time someone sneezes in the direction of crypto, bag holders and newbies alike sell off, causing 30-50% fluctuations in short time windows. The “buy and hold on for dear life” crypto trope is a fantasy made up by bag holders so they can keep buying back in. TLDR: The post I initially responded to tried to indicate that many people held while BTC fell from 60k to 16, which I feel is a fanciful take on a 75% drop. Somebody had to sell, and all the bag holders try to act like they weren’t the ones pumping and dumping digital assets for the last 15+ years. I get frustrated when I see people insinuating there is a bunch of benevolent or altruistic crypto holders that will HODL so that everyone can hang in there together. I don’t pretend that is the case with my individual stocks either, but I trust it won’t all liquidate at once when they are good companies. It’s also frustrating that everyone wants to say they only accumulate and never panic sell or what not. Lots of people, enough to make a majority of available coins change hands, would have to sell to see the level of market crashes that BTC/ other crypto experience. Finance has always been a bit of a Wild West, imo and I guess I’m just trying to acknowledge my mistrust of others and self-serving intentions when I invest in something. Just honest priorities, healthy skepticism, and cynicism.

Content_Pineapple491

I think the vendor didnt HODL

OutlandishnessLimp25

Every generation has their McDonalds story. Your great grandparents, your grandparents, your parents and now you (most likely if you’re reading this). That is, “when I was a kid, you could get (insert McDonald’s meal at this price) and today it costs (insert a dramatically higher price). The US dollar is on a one way path to being worth less and less. THIS WILL NOT CHANGE, FULL STOP. That tangible example coupled with this visual (or similar) makes me all in: https://ibb.co/sV1sLSV I’ve been buying BTC since 2017, in 2020 I started selling my real estate, sold my last property in December 2024. All proceeds have gone into BTC. The best decision I ever made. I literally have not sold a penny of BTC. Stack and HODL

Last_Bid6511

Interesting points you and the other comment above were making. I can see that, especially for individual investors. Even for major institutional buyers, it makes sense with crypto just like any good asset. If you believe in it, of course buy more and hang in there. The Michael Saylor/Strategy example I responded to gets so dicey though. I think it was an insane claim from the OP that Strategy would get more money going and average down/accumulate. I wouldn’t lend them enough for a single bitcoin if I was a bank. If it goes below 20k they could default on their massive loans. Lucky for them, I’m not and my opinion or read on things is just that. In your case, you can buy more and not add inordinate risk. I assume you aren’t buying on margins/borrowed money, but maybe you are. In the extreme case of Strategy, they have billions of dollars to account for, in a specific timeframe, or they are screwed. I’m a skeptic and a scalper at best in crypto, so I’m trying to get in and out once I make 10-25% - and I’m cool with that. Totally respect people buying and holding, or accumulating during dips. My main part of my rant is the glorification of HODL like everyone is so in this together and all the other HODLers will look out for the little guy. It’s a crock and a fanciful picture that people who want to cash in at the top (as anyone should, if that’s the point to make money). I feel those people are so disproportionately responsible for crypto having 30-50% market crashes every time anything goes down. The same people that make posts about how nobody knows what is coming, but they definitely know everyone should buy constantly and drive that price up. Then, they sell large volumes for large profits and dilute the price again… making all the little guys panic and everyone else decide it’s time to cash in and buy back in later. It’s shameful the way people manipulate the price by cashing in behind the curtains, while parroting hodl. I have stocks I would recommend to people, but you’ll never catch me promising not to sell or making an internet blood pact with other people. I’m at least honest that I try to buy and hold to let things grow, but I will sell the shit out of something when it suits me or no longer serves me personally. Market crashes wouldn’t happen if HODL wasn’t a utopian bs buzzword. It starts at the top with the biggest investors. I am not hating on retail buyers at all and holding/accumulating is great. Really all my hate goes to the top let’s say 20-25% of owners who liquidate enough to crash the market whenever their blood pressure spikes, but advocate for everyone else to hold while they take gains and try to restart the same story over again.

Last_Bid6511

Gotta love contrarian investing. I totally respect that strategy and sounds like you are on your game. My big point of contention is the over glorification of HODL in crypto, like “hey everyone is doing it”. When a true buy and hold is rare or a smaller percentage of holders. I feel like it gets mischaracterized and weaponized so people with significant skin in the game can pump and dump. I don’t trust people so I definitely don’t trust the top 10% of crypto or any other asset owners to look out for me. I prefer individual stocks personally but have a similar philosophy to you I think. I have some Limbach that I bought at about ten bucks and have only sold enough to finance a purchase one time. Yes, I missed the crazy top, but that’s a buy and hold for me and I am sitting on multiple X my initial investment. Keep on doing your thing!

Yoo_Wooin

The market is really unpredictable these days but now seems like a great time to buy if you keep waiting for a dip then again for a dip , the market will move without you. Buy now and HODL till ATH.

TheresNoSecondBest

>if I just have bought bitcoin on spot DCA every paycheck and HODL long term is the best strategy. Would you be happy about your 30% "profit" if you bought bitcoin at $500 and sold it at $650 or you would prefer if you HEDL for a decade instead?

Last_Bid6511

I have so much trouble believing “the people that bought or held BTC at 60 hung in there on the way down to 16k. That’s the math of it going down by that much. I’m way too cynical for that take. This might just flat out not be true about how a generalized group of benevolent HODL people watched it fall to 16. Do you have any statistics about how many people held during that pullback? My guess is probably not, based on a lack of bitcoin owner census data. My arguments here are based on some broad brush calculations, but simple math and macroeconomics can tell you that most people don’t hold and continue to HODL when it went from 60k down to 16k. If the market went down like that, I’d venture to guess more than 50% of available bitcoins must have changed hands in the way down. Not to mention countless people that wisely sell off and protect their gains so they can actually profit and/or buy back in later. The same people who encourage HODL as a strategy are often the same ones who will liquidate during these market crashes. It benefits them to have other people HODL and drive the price up so they can sell. Everyone is in this for the same self-serving reason of building wealth, and I think a lot of people even big crypto investors/hoarders ultimately just calculate their success in terms of of fiat currency value anyway. There is more pressure to sell than die hards will indicate openly. I know there are people that lie through their teeth about the whole everyone should HODL nonsense. Saylor and Strategy are not going to be able to significantly average down. Who is going to lend him enough money to do that? They would have to put in an equal amount of money as they did up to this point, just to meet in the middle at 72k. That’s totally ridiculous. Are they going to 2x go for leverage to average down on their initial investment, just so they can get down another 25% from there? 3x leverage so they can get incrementally closer to the current price from there? It doesn’t matter what the market bottom is to me, that seems like a ridiculous strategy. The only way he could “average down” is by selling off and taking losses because he is basically one giant sub-prime loan at this point. They are at definitely risk of defaulting on the current loans if BTC/broader crypto market actually crashes. I have no empathy for people who pushed HODL and buy the top strategies. It’s why we are facing so much selling pressure and at risk of a failed social experiment. Why would someone new buy it when every sign of issue causes a 30-50% pullback, just so alleged HOLDers (which I’m convinced don’t exist - in terms of someone never selling and taking gains) can sell off and cause another mass market liquidation.

tesseramous

The 300 HODL theme has never been more relevant as we fight persians in a strait. Im suprised there arent any memes about it

ReliantToker

Good catch on the initial signal from last October! You're 100% right that the policy shift was first teased in late 2025. ​However, the reason it's hitting the daily today is that we’ve moved from "announcement" to active implementation. Minister Gilles Roth didn't just mention it last year; he formally baked it into the 2026 national budget that is currently being finalized in the Chamber of Deputies. ​While the headline broke in Q4 '25, we are now watching the FSIL actually deploy that 1% into the market through regulated ETFs. The "game-changer" isn't the press release from five months ago—it's the fact that as of March 2026, Bitcoin is officially a line item in a Eurozone sovereign budget. We are moving from the "rumor" phase to the "sovereign HODL" phase in real-time.

aaj094

Bearish anyone? https://x.com/HODL15Capital/status/2030979281057124651