TSLA

PoisonWaffle3

In general, don't get a loan to invest at all. But if you do, do it at the bottom, not at the top. I took out a $50k 0% loan at the end of 2022 to buy BTC and a handful of stocks that were way down (mostly TSLA and META). I 5x'd my money on the TSLA and META, and have done even better on the crypto. I paid off the loan and have about $200k of profit. I'd have more if I had waited longer before paying off the loan, but I wanted to take some risk off of the table.

Hot_Establishment216

I can't even begin to tell you how misleading chat gpt is and often blatantly incorrect. Hell will freeze over before I get it to remember UTLY is not the fund that tracks TSLA.

blowgrass-smokeass

She’s basically a WSB user. Her ARK ETFs were solid performers in 2019/2020 and everyone raved about her. They only performed well because she bet 30% of every fund on TSLA. Those funds have cratered since.

Eadie2021

Been around this game for awhile too. BTC and MSTR profit is going into TSLA, NVDA, and ARKQ. If I can 2x any of those in the next year, I will be happy! My son is selling all at 130k but I am riding it a bit higher🤞to 150k. Good luck with your house purchase. Exciting times ahead.

Fun-Sundae4060

Not with Bitcoin but TSLA stock. I was never big on BTC until earlier this year just to catch this cycle top

ProfeshPress

Scenario: in 2035, BTC is worth $1000,000. A bank offers you $500,000 'against' your 1 BTC, meaning that they get to sell-off part of your BTC in the event that you fail to keep up with the re-payments on the loan: this is known as **collateralisation**. The difference between the amount of the loan, and the current value of your BTC, would then be referred to as loan-to-value, or **LTV**. Obviously, if BTC's price falls below $500,000, the **LTV** is now more than 100% and your **collateral** no longer insures (i.e., guarantees re-payment of) the loan. Therefore, your loan agreement also includes a **margin**, which is based on the maximum LTV the bank will allow prior to selling your Bitcoin. For instance: a loan of $500,000 with a 'margin' of 20% allows BTC to fall from $1,000,000 to $600,000 before triggering this forced repayment on your behalf—a process known as **liquidation**. To wit, the bank **sells your BTC** until the 'margin' of the loan is restored: so if Bitcoin fell again, to $500,000, then the bank would pay your loan down to $416,666 using your BTC to do so; if Bitcoin fell to $400,000, the balance would be paid down to $333,333; and so on. Obviously, this is something you'd want to avoid. However, had you borrowed only $100,000, or **10% LTV**—which in a developing country might still sustain a comfortable lifestyle for longer than the duration of the next bear market—your $1000,000 in Bitcoin could fall by up to **88%** without causing the above chain of events. By the time you've spent even half of that on living expenses, Bitcoin's market value has doubled again, to $2,000,000: now the same $100,000 loan is only **5% LTV**; so you take out another $100,000. Providing you're never liquidated, none of the above is subject to tax. Substitute Bitcoin with TSLA, and now you know how Elon Musk can effectively print his own money.

moonRekt

You’re going to get biased answers here but I sleep better at night being heavily invested in Bitcoin right now than owning multiple houses. It may be possible but I don’t see it as likely that housing prices can collapse upwards during high inflation as they still need to be, people still need to be able to afford the prices you charge and if they can’t another house is another tho g you need to protect in unrest. Where as Bitcoin/TSLA/NVDA can reach any price as long as hype is there and people are willing to buy

TheDakestTimeline

TSLA up

OnlyBTC2035

You can go to 30/40% BTC allocation depends of your risk tolerance. BTC is the little brother of SPX/Nasdaq, very high correlation between the three. So if you’re bullish long term with your stocks/ETF, Bitcoin should follow. I’m 55% SP500 ETF, 35% BTC and 10% TSLA.

Cantrillion

It's all correlated with each other. Imagine investing in a "portfolio" of GM, F, TM and sure, maybe TSLA to go a little crazy. Consumer spending drops, they all fall. Nice diversification. US prints money, all the cryptos go up. Etc. And as an individual investor, diversification sucks, especially if you're young. Don't pick 4 cryptos you barely understand. Spend 4 cryptos worth of research to pick the one you really understand.

OnlyBTC2035

55% SP500 / 35% BTC and 10% TSLA for me. Both SP500 and BTC are great, you play both safe and growth.

Darkerjev

Imagine if Musk/TSLA starts stacking in bitcoin like Saylor’s MSTR. I imagine its possible just out of spite due to his fallout with trump. Something tells me sumthin big is coming soon.

AmericanScream

#Stupid Crypto Talking Point #12 (market cap) "**$$$$ 'Market Cap!'**" / "**There's $x million in this project!**" 1. The term "market cap" is one appropriated from the stock market and is misleading and erroneous to apply to crypto. 2. Traditional market capitalization translates to "the value of a company as a function of its share price." This figure only has meaning if the share price is properly valued based on the actual value of the company. There are standard established formulas for determining what a company is worth by adding up its assets and income and subtracting its liabilities. Then to determine whether a share price is over or under-inflated, you divide that figure by the number of outstanding shares. 3. Market capitalization when shares are not manipulated, should settle at the true value of the company. In cases where shares are manipulated (TSLA is a good example), its "market cap" is unrealistic. In situations where insiders control a large portion of shares, they can easily manipulate the stock price, resulting in the appearance of a high net value that doesn't jive with reality. 4. Cryptocurrencies, by their nature, have no intrinsic value. Crypto doesn't create income; it doesn't represent real-world assets. So it has absolutely no base value in the first place by which to calculate valuation and market capitalization. 5. In reality, nobody has any idea how much actual "market capitalization" there is in the world of crypto, since actual liquidity is obscured by phony stablecoins and shady exchanges that are neither regulated, nor transparent. In crypto, people simply multiply the coin price x the number of coins minted and declare that's the value of the crypto industry. It's completely misleading and deceptive and in no way indicates any realistic level of capital value. For additional details see [Why Market Cap is a Meaningless & Dangerous Valuation Metric in Crypto Markets](https://medium.com/blockchain-review/why-market-cap-is-a-meaningless-dangerous-valuation-metric-in-crypto-markets-8deb78c50995)

CleazyCatalystAD

Mostly BTC, some other cryptos, equities portfolio w high concentration in tech/QQQ, MSTR, TSLA, and VOO.

Significant_Grab_173

I saw kraken has option to buy stocks through their new xStocks, still considering that diverse option. Any reason why only tesla? Thought about TSLA and PLTR for 3-5 years.

cryptoripto123

You guys do realize that while inflation eats away at your money, basic investing protects you from inflation. In all this time since Bitcoin was invented, you could've tripled your money. Sure that's not as sexy as the rate of return as Bitcoin, but I'd also argue why did you miss out on the returns on Big Tech, TSLA, NVDA, etc? The point is if it's a matter of finding the next moon stock/coin, you all missed the past ones. In the end it's not about getting rich quick but understanding a basic bit of personal finance. **It's entirely possible to be successful both in the fiat and Bitcoin world.**

cryptoripto123

As someone in my late 30s, I really just suggest y'all understand some basic personal finance concepts. Most people are here just to get rich quick, but the reality is if it were that easy, you'd all be rich already. And it doesn't even have to be with Bitcoin--y'all missed the $1 to $100,000 opportunities but you also all missed out on all the stocks that mooned in the same period be it TSLA, NVDA, FAANG stocks, Meme stocks, etc. You're telling me none of you got in on any of those gainz? The best thing you can do isn't to hope that your Bitcoin investments go to the moon. You can put some into Bitcoin, but put your money into stuff that's tried and true. 10% annual returns don't sound sexy, but I'll tell you what's even less sexy--chasing 9238937% returns and then getting it all hacked because you got rugged, scammed, lost your keys, etc. If those 9238937% returns are so easy, allocate some money there, but please do not forget some basic financial concepts. I'm sitting here on 7 figures of fiat and crypto SEPARATELY to tell you that yes it's entirely possible to be successful in the fiat world, and it's also entirely possible to be successful in the crypto world. If you think your only path to success is ______ then you're likely never going to succeed.

cryptoripto123

So you're saying it's skill? Why didn't you make your millions off NVDA? TSLA? AAPL? All those meme stocks?

westbourn

I'm 64. I can't buy BTC in my pension (UK SIPP) so I've been using MSTR as a proxy, it's allowed because it's classed as software not crypto. At the moment I have around 10pc of my pension in MSTR but in 2023 I was as high as 95pc for six months. Perhaps it will suffer more premium erosion but I think medium to long term it's fine and once BTC launches again it will outperform. I'm planning to just keep 10pc minimum and at the right time go to 40pc. Most of the rest of my pension is in TSLA. Diversification has never worked out for me. I'm planning to leave it all to my kids. I don't need it and I've already taken my max tax free drawdown.

OkSeries5363

They don't insert a tip, with lending and LSTs, rewards go to the pool this means the pool grows and therefore your portion/claim of the pool is more when you come back later to claim? So when you return the recipt you get more back, same with liquid staking tokens. This means when you give your receipt tokens back they were 'worth' more as you got more back from the pool, or staking tokens than previously. A common misconception is that depositing cryptocurrency to earn a yield is treated uniformly for tax purposes. However, under tax law, there is a very critical distinction between how Centralised Finance and Decentralised Finance are treated, its an issue the IRS is currently grappling with given the precedent it sets. Centralised Finance (CeFi) The Loan Analogy In a typical CeFi "Earn" program, you deposit an asset like Bitcoin with a centralised company. The platform's Terms and Conditions often frame this as a loan. Because you are lending your BTC with the right to get BTC back, you may be considered to have maintained "beneficial ownership." Consequently, no disposal event occurs on deposit, you avoid an immediate CGT event, and your 12-month holding period for the CGT discount continues. Decentralised Finance (DeFi) The Disposal Problem In a DeFi liquidity pool, the process is fundamentally different. You send 1 BTC to a smart contract and receive a completely different asset, an LP token that represents your share of the pool. The IRS views this as a disposal of your Bitcoin. This action triggers an immediate CGT event and resets your long term discounts. This legal distinction creates a system where users are financially incentivised to take on the higher counterparty risk of a centralised platform to achieve a better tax outcome. The challenge of creating fairer DeFi tax rules While implementing a "no disposal safe harbour" for DeFi may sound like a simple solution, it presents profound technical and legal challenges for legislators. The difficulty lies in defining the boundaries of such a rule. What qualifies as 'In Kind'? If you deposit 100% ETH and get an recipt token for a 100% ETH lending pool, that's simple. But what if the LP pool is 50% ETH and 50% USDC? Is that still "in kind"? What about a 3-token or 8-token pool? What about when the Composition changes? What about 'Financialised' LP Tokens? What happens when the LP token itself stops being just a receipt and becomes a financial instrument in it's own right? You can use LP tokens as collateral for loans, trade them on secondary markets, and even stake them in other protocols. At what point does the LP token become a new, distinct asset, breaking the "in kind" link to the original deposit? Gains could be rolled over indefinitely from one high-yield protocol to another. The lines blur between what is a simple "receipt" and what is a complex, interest-bearing financial product. This could lead to a significant erosion of the tax base, as value is generated and compounded outside the reach of clear taxing points. This create a legislative challenge. Legislators would have to draw a precise, legally defensible line between a simple liquidity pool and a complex protocol that creates literal derivative product. Creating this definition without opening loopholes for unintended assets to get the same treatment is extraordinarily difficult. Creating a special exception for DeFi also risks undermining the integrity of the broader tax system. What would stop other industries from demanding similar treatment? For example, an investor might ask, "I swapped my individual TSLA and AMD shares for units in a tech ETF which holds just TSLA and AMD. That's an 'in-kind' swap, why do I have to pay CGT?"

panthera_N

NVDA stock is at all time high, SPY near ATH, same as BTC. TSLA sucks but don't underestimate Elon fanatics

DryGeneral990

I remember TSLA was over 1,000 like 4 years ago

footbag22

You sound exactly like me but I've bought 100k of TSLA instead. And a bit of MSTR.

Daddio4u

I would go 50% to BTC, use the rest until you get get a job for living expenses, borrow to match the 50% - interest expenses are tax deductible, take the balance of your savings after you get a job and put it in MSTR. When MSTR seems toppy rotate into TSLA. Never sell the BTC. Keep working to cover the debt repayments. Thank me in 5 to 7 years. NFA.

Working-Network-1876

Fuck off Elon, Tesla sold its BTC in the last bear market. Dude promised BTC payments for TSLA, took it away and never implemented it again.

biophysicsguy

“I know it’s better than a traditional bank” Come on, it has been performing better than most of the top stocks. In the past 5 years it has done 1022% which outperformed MSFT (145%), META (192%), TSLA (384%), and APPL (125%). Why do you act like a 10x is just ok?

bsc_rug_pulls

Cue the “thought I was buying TSLA, but it’s just a shitcoin on Solana” support calls. r/coinbase is already filled with this lol

lidge7012

I'm all in now, but if I had gone in earlier when I first heard about it, I could retire now. One of the biggest regrets of my life, that I selling TSLA and META. Could retire by now if I just held, but oh well.

DegenDreamer

10% drawdowns have become rarer? We've had 5 of them in 2025 so far which is riskier than most traditional investments. "Risky" doesn't mean bearish either. It has higher volatility than what it's benchmarked against (S&P 500, etc). This is measurable, not opinion. PLTR is risky, TSLA is risky, putting all my money in a box under my bed is risky. And yes, Bitcoin is risky. That's not a bad thing.

HopiumTrump

Bitcoin is better than TSLA!!

cryptoripto123

Of course, but let's be real: none of you even got in on mediocre gains whether its TSLA, AAPL, or even the lowly S&P500. The issue isn't that you didn't win the lottery but that you had zero concept of personal finances.

sgrinavi

That would be nice, but we've all seen equities with plenty of institutional support tumble down 50% in a couple of months. TSLA is a great example

Obvireal

I’ve got IBIT MSTR MSTU SMLR MARA NAKA ASST CEP FAAS TSLA CORZ CLSK CRCL TZUP and some FLD. Hahahaha😈 Treasuries for the win🚀

Obsidianram

Can you really expect great results when you're relying on software engineers and such to do your sales & marketing? Does AAPL, IBM, TSLA or GOOGL do this? It also doesn't help when your focus is on stupid shit like "planting trees", "digital IDs for school kids in Africa" or getting in bed with the devil - oooos, I mean, the UN. Some projects just kill-off themselves with misguided decision making and warped ideology...

superminingbros

$70B for now, could go up, could go down. TSLA is a volatile stock.

HSuke

This is the future of stock investments From now on, for every $3 invested into TSLA, Tesla will buy $1 worth of US manufactured cars.

IndustrialPuppetTwo

I don't think anything at this point is going to help TSLA, not even a new CEO.

theonly764hero

It’s wild. I remember when Elon smoked weed on Rogan and the TSLA stock drops made headline news. That was child’s play compared to the past several months.

Glum-Temporary7426

Trump and his sidekick are pretending to feud to drop the price of TSLA before his robotaxi company launches on the 12th. I say buy

ZackZeysto

I love to short TSLA. Im right there with you

coomzee

I love it when people lose money on TSLA.

ZackZeysto

I would not exactly call them grown up men. More like two egoistic childish loosers with too much power and publicity crying over each other. And that is somehow tanking the markets. But probably the -14% TSLA stock that triggered other people to sell a bunch of assets because they got margin called.

kale_boriak

Bitcoin is a risk asset with close correlation to TSLA - short covering.

Hick6262

Yea seems crazy but look at TSLA stock lmao

OriginalFluff

TSLA One way or another it’s a much bigger oppy than BTC in the immediate 1-7 days

urbangoose

I'm pretty neutral on this At one hand, I don't want too much regulation overhead and I do believe the better projects will survive in the end. I know Ethereum has been shat on the past 4 years by the community, but it's 'surviving'. It's done better than 99% of other coins since the 2021 peak. It's just Bitcoin has far surpassed any other coin these 4 past years. And on the other hand, if people want to gamble and lose money, they will do it (and let them do it) - crypto or not. Current trend tells me that it's more than crypto. The likes of DraftKing and Polymarket becoming enormous is because retail traders are willing to play the game. And, even if you take away the meme coins, DraftKing, and Polymarket, etc., there's still TSLA, GME, AMC, and even SPY 0DTE options. Yea, pump fun theatrics is crazy. But coins come and go. Some reach the moon before they go, some don't. I was looking back at top 10 coins of 2016 the other day. Dash, Maid, Xem, Steem.. were all considered the 'best crypto projects' that year. I doubt anyone prior to Covid even heard of those coins.. No, they weren't meme coins but the bad apples, it's all the same. They come and go.

OxfordKnot

>we're not talking about the fundamentals of price based on a simple offer vs. demand equation Of course. That's the whole point of OTC or other "off the books" trades. Though IIRC, Saylor said he was buying his initial MSTR stake at some constant rate (like every minute) over several months (so kinda in the market?) To your point of the OTC desks - this is where things are a little bit different than in a stock market (say TSLA or AAPL) - I am of the mind that 21 million (well, 20M right now) is a relatively small number to work with. There aren't a bazillion places to get new coins from (yes, they can load up on a derp news dip, etc.) to refill their coffers and meet the demand of multiple large buys over a short time. If I am correct, that inability to wait months to refill + lack of places to go to fill in the first place = pressure outside of the OTC, spilling into the retail market and then...number go up. Now I don't know how long the lag between "OTC got hit hard" and "OTC tries to refill" and "OTC has to make bold moves because demand is now" and "hey look magic 8-ball, retail is getting OTC pressure" is, but I don't think it is years and i do think it is, at absolute most, months.

PoisonWaffle3

It's good to see that I'm not the only crazy person who did this, and it's good to see that it went well for you! I did basically the same towards the end of 2022: $50k in balance transfers (0% 18 months, 3% upfront fee) to buy BTC, crypto miner stocks, TSLA, META, and PLTR. I sold quite a bit and reinvested elsewhere after a while, but I still have a full BTC and change. I've paid off all but about $10k of the cards (did another balance transfer last year), and the current value of what remains is about $250k. I'm hoping to hit a total value of $350-400k by the end of this bull run, basically all free money.

NeighborhoodFair5468

Get outta mutual funds, weight heavier btc and microstrategy, and invest in disruption TSLA and NVDA. Solana and sui if you want more crypto exposure, but maybe wait until bear market before you get into those.

realheadphonecandy

I’m personally getting out of real estate and selling off collectibles. Currently 25% BTC but will end at 50% BTC, 25% TSLA, 5% cash, 20% collectibles. The only lifelines to me look like BTC and TSLA.

KiNg-MaK3R

Guess that's true, I always forget about TSLA.

InvoluntarySoul

TSLA only goes up

HankScorpio2020

Looking backwards is pain. I bought $30k of TSLA when it went public. I sold it a few weeks later for $2k gains.

dhddydh645hggsj

TSLA I think

imade100ktrading

Don't even ask me about TSLA

urbangoose

>the larger the market the lower the proportion of degenerative gambling TSLA and S&P 0DTE have entered the chat

True_Day3466

I am using Robinhood for TTWO and TSLA and VOO, but using Cash App for BTC, is that good, or should I just use Robinhood as well for BTC?

Fun-Sundae4060

TSLA share ownership for the past 6 years (but transferred just 3 years ago) and TSLQ holding for about 1 month from late January. On one day 2 months ago I printed over $100k literally overnight and then another $100k holding through the trading day on TSLQ

Wildren77

MSTR, ABTC, CES, KDLY, 3350(Metaplanet), KULR, SMLR, STRV, TSLA, the possibilities will soon be endless.

urbangoose

r/investing knows how to make make 1 way. take a company, perform valuation, if low=buy, if high=sell there are a million ways to make money, and moreover hedge yourself as well. but Warren Buffett, their god, preaches things like value investing and P/E ratio (which is fine). in the game of investing, stocks are just a small part of the picture. overall, stocks are fundamentally different to buying a commodity like bitcoin. they also don't like investing in gold, so no surprise bitcoin + tech = not-with-a-10-foot-pole. there's some argument to be had about over-zealous bitcoin influencers (and worse, crypto in general) that give crypto a bad image as well. i agree to a certain extent. but, with that point, i'd argue the GME, TSLA, AMC, BBBY crowd can be just as toxic, but they still invest in them.

moonRekt

Totally. Bitcoin has no earnings. But then you look at traditional investments like TSLA—they do have earnings that are completely out of whack with their valuation and make zero financial sense investing in except for the same “number go up—greater fool theory” etc that they always accuse bitcoin of. At least Bitcoin doesn’t need to justify its earnings

AstroRoverToday

I think you’ve just discovered the Theory of Relativity 😱. Nothing goes up or down. Everything is measured “relative” to something else. If you jump up, did you move? Yes, relative to the Earth you went up. When people say BTC went up, they often skip mentioning what it moved relative to, like USD, or perhaps TSLA, or maybe some other currency, like EUR. If BTC went up by 10% relative to USD, but USD went down 10% relative to EUR, then BTC didn’t move at all, relative to EUR. So, in order for you to put a value on BTC you actually need to measure it relative to something else.

Fun-Sundae4060

Of course it’s possible. I made $2M on TSLA stock in 2 years while I was still attending college. Bitcoin has that potential as well. I think you overestimate how easily you can retire on just $1M though. When you’re young you need much more more capital to retire than someone who’s 55-65 because you’ll be alive longer.

Rich_Produce8986

She gave the target for TSLA of $2,600 by the year 2030. She is fucking stupid.

jasoncyke

She also said TSLA will go to 3k in few years. I mean the last 5 years of ARK performance is still in the fucking minus, she is literally worse than most retails.

moonRekt

She also just said TSLA to like $3,000 again too. She’s either stupid or betting on a heavily devalued dollar via inflation

Hot_Philosopher3199

No. TSLA, NVDA, PLTR. All disruptive technology like BTC. There are plenty of chances to diversify (a little) and still make great gains. All-in-one, no way Jose!

cryptoripto123

The issue is 99% of you are just chasing returns. But returns exist outside of Bitcoin. as I've said many times--why didn't you get rich off of NVDA? TSLA? AAPL? Countless other stocks? The other issue is 99% of you lack any basic understanding of personal finances. If it was that simple to get rich, everyone would've done it already. Yet most people here don't even get basic concepts like budgeting, savings, compounded returns, etc. Concepts like DCA only suddenly became a thing as they learned about Bitcoin but they never DCA-ed at all into 401ks or IRAs. Do yourself a favor and learn about personal finance before you just talk about chasing returns. Because let's face it. You all already mostly failed given you missed out on easy 100,000x returns. At this point an additional 100,000x return is extremely unlikely.

Fun-Sundae4060

Why would trading BTC not be a good idea? Volatile assets create lots of opportunity to generate entries and exits to gain high returns. Time in the market beats timing the market for majority of people… but I’ve beaten the market for the past 6-7 years by a huge margin via swing trading TSLA. TSLA and BTC are of similar volatility and TSLA outperforms BTC at certain times, but I plan to include BTC in my portfolio more in the future.

Fun-Sundae4060

I don’t own BTC directly. I own leveraged exposure to it meaning I profit when BTC goes up more than the amount BTC goes up. Same in losses if it goes down. This is not a position I can hold for an indefinite amount of time, I’m pretty much required to exit for risk management. While I’m bullish on BTC and things like TSLA, there are times to own the assets and times to sell. You make WAY more timing the cycles so long as you are correct. Not just in fiat terms, you can own more BTC just by exiting and coming back in cheaper.

Fun-Sundae4060

I made 120% last year on TSLA stock alone and 30% YTD on TSLQ. I’m riding BTC right now with about $1.1M worth of exposure for the next few months. Everything is a tradable asset with their own risk and reward profiles.

ItIsRaf

Well a lot of people are bagging the short term raises on MSTR, TSLA and BTC

Petursinn

Ye sure, TSLA is doing great, and they will never sell their Bitcoins, gotcha....

fanzakh

If I can borrow on TSLA, I can borrow on BTC. It all depends on the margin requirement. And I'm not saying this will happen right now cause no bank does this. But if BTC becomes a treasury asset, it will act just like gold or treasuries.

Sabast-

As a seasoned 25+ year investor, I would tweak this a bit: - Pay of all debts first - unless you have an essentially free interest rate like 3%, and a comfortably manageable monthly payment. But pay extra to get the princapal down faster. - Put 20% into a super safe, liquid cash-equivalent instrument (eg savings account), until you build up enough to cover 6 months of normal living expenses. - Then drop it down to 10% and keep going until you have a year's worth, and keep going. Dip into it for after that for emergencies or big purchases, but never go below an identified 1 year of expenses, and try to keep growing it. - I would stay away specifically from XRP and SOL. I don't know why those have been doing well, but then again I don't know why TSLA hasn't crashed. People are stupid, and the market is dumb and irrational. Yes, they have been working to facilitate cross-border payments. But there is nothing intrinsic to either that allows that, just agreements that any crypto foundation can - and will - make, so not a real, unique, lasting competitive advantage. High TPS is good, but comes at a serious cost to the other two anchors in the Crypto Trilemma. The real and serious problem is that both of those lack the very two things that most crypo is great at: transparency and decentralization. SOL specifically has had *outages* in the past. That is totally unacceptable for something that should be trustless and decentralized. That it hopefully may never happen again, is irrelevant. That it ever happened at all, is a HUGE red flag. You might do well by getting in - just be sure to get out at the very next overheated market, just in case. I sure as hell am not touching either with a ten-foot pole. - BTC and ETH are always solid bets. I don't understand why BTC is beating literally anything - all it is, is "the first", and has name recognition for boomers telling their brokers "I want in on this crypto thing". That's it. Plus this delusion that it's "digital gold". So for that, it's probably not going anywhere for a while, and will probably continue to outpace everything else for years to come. Possibly even 10x'ing again before you know it, inexplicably, against all reason and logic. - Can't go wrong with other solid alts with fully open and transparent architectures, governance structures, and validators - like Cardano and Algorand. Hedera uses a new tech and is well-organized, very open and non-sus - but seems a little overhyped at the moment (unlike say underdog Algorand).

Friendly-Profit-8590

Totally agree but she got TSLA right. Though, I suppose, if she hadn’t we never would’ve heard of her.

ObiWanKokobi

Please buy $TSLA!

Huge_Supermarket9418

True. I’ve made more money this year on RKLB, KULR, IONQ, OKLO TSLA and NVDA. In the stock market than in crypto

the_bueg

In my imperfect estimation, Monero has had the most stable price action in recent years. That, along with better TPS and lower tx fees that BTC - not to mention the privacy and fungibility of cash - a WAY better "currency" than BTC. I've written at length in a few other comments the last couple of days why BTC is the absolute worst "currency" of all crypto, but other comments basically encapsulate it. Monero still has an energy problem though. Not a month's worth of average US household electricity for each transaction like BTC, but it's still inefficient PoW, and with higher adoption, would attract even more miners. (I mine it myself but 100% solar and for a reason unrelated to profit. I still lose money.) Algorand is a highly underrated coin, near-free, about 1 second settlement, has USDC, time-and-battle-tested, and outstanding open governance and concentration-resistance. Cardano attributes *almost* as good, but no stablecoin yet. (And for investors, not undervalued.) XRP and SOL are too centralized and opaque for my tastes, and grossly overvalued IMO. Hedera seems promising but currently price action is too hyped (good for me bad for a currency). Needs more time, and a stablecoin. But none of that probably matters. Certainly not some rando's analysis, no matter how sober. If TSLA can take off after that earnings announcement, nothing really matters. Although we already kinda knew that in our heart of hearts didn't we - with BTC being the winningest coin going for no good reason other than being the first, and its name recognition by boomers who know absolutely nothing about crypto and just want to be able to call their broker and say, "get me in this 'crypto' thing!".

the_bueg

It's so irrational. BTC's value is not as a "currency", but as "digital gold" as they say. A "finite store of value". Which to me sounds like copium, and has no defensible basis in reality. At the end of the day, IMO, it's just a speculative asset, plain and simple. Don't get me wrong, I've been in BTC for almost ten years - and slowly bought more through every major downturn - and it's done very well for me. So I'm not complaining, but I don't get it. It's not just irrational, it's moronic IMO. XRP and SOL are very high throughput and solving some problems like cross-border payments, but both are too opaque and centralized IMO, and SOL has had actual outages - an absolute non-starter in my book. I don't know how anyone can accept that, even as a historical blip. No distributed P2P crypto network should *ever* have an "outage". But again - the market is not rational, so what I would think should matter, is utterly irrelevant. Why has TSLA been going *up* after last earnings call? Up is down, and red is pineapple quarterback. Hedera sound really intriguing to me. I (and apparently only I) think of it as "Gen 3" crypto. I think of Algorand and Cardano are "Gen 2+", and ETH on Proof-of-Stake is "Gen 2". ETH on Proof-of-Work was "Gen 1+" in my mind (supporting smart contracts but still crazy power requirements), Bitcoin is "Gen 1 proof-of-concept". The first. Works about as well as a toddler eating glue. Monero is solidly and [I'd argue] the best of Gen 1: still PoW and no smart contracts - but low tx costs, faster than bitcoin - and as private and fungible as cash. I myself am mostly in Bitcoin, but betting heavily on Hedera and Algorand. ALGO is a total underdog, overlooked, underappreciated, and IMO grossly undervalued. What it has going for is is essentially free and instant transactions - among the quickest going - excellent governance and decentralization model, USDC is available on the chain, and the foundation is apparently making deals left and right with governments and other organizations. To do what, exactly, I don't quite remember [and/or never bothered looking into it more] - but the chain could certainly be used as the basis for one or more government-sponsored digital currencies for better or worse. (Better for ALGO, for sure.) But again, fundamentals and logic really don't seem to mean shit. Just throw a dart at the friggin wall.

cyger

I actually sold a little BTC to buy TSLA a couple days ago under $230 as TSLA was severely oversold.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Tesla (TSLA) announced that it did not sell any of its $1 billion Bitcoin holdings in Q1 2025, according to its latest earnings report. The company's Bitcoin holdings are currently valued at approximately $1.05 billion, with an unrealized gain of over $500 million. Tesla last made a significant Bitcoin transaction in Q3 2024, transferring $760 million worth of Bitcoin assets. Despite market volatility, Tesla continues to hold its Bitcoin investment, which has positively impacted its finances. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

KiNg-MaK3R

Agreed with the sentiment in most of these comments. You cannot compare what could have been. I bought TSLA shares at $14, and if I held them and sold them at the absolute top, I would have made $2+ million dollars. But in those 10 years I ended up buying a house, having 2 kids, and hey, bought some bitcoin too. I ended up selling those shares for $22 and at the time, was pretty happy with that trade. You can't think about what could have been. You made a great trade and now live in a house with a wife that you seem to like, don't ruin the good life you seem to have. Comparison is the thief of joy. Move on, take your wife out to an expensive dinner and say sorry and move on.

cryptoripto123

Why does it matter? Your goal in life is to make enough to provide for yourself, your family, and have some leftover to enjoy. If you haven't been investing in stocks your whole life and suddenly think you'll get rich quick off of Bitcoin... lol joke's on you. Bitcoin already 10,000x-ed. Where were you? NVDA and TSLA 20xed in the past few years. Where were you?

SirMustache007

Ok but do you actually think that Bitcoin, with its massive scaling problems and huge energy demands is actually going to be the crypto asset central to the global financial revolution? The slow exchange times, huge fees, huge energy demands are technological anchors which are massive obstacles that will prevent Bitcoin from achieving actual pragmatic value, even if I would want it to. I swear, BTC feels like TSLA right now in that it’s current valuation is based more on hopes and dreams than actual truth.

FireballAllNight

Eric Trump shilled ETH. It just so happened to peak on the same day as TSLA, Dec 17th, had what appeared to be standard market fluctuations, and has been downhill ever since "it's a great time to buy $ETH" It's been pumped and dumped and now it has has no future. Farewell to one of the last respective alt coins. This is why we regulate.

cryptoripto123

Such posts are just cringe. You're right Bitcoin has shot up miraculously in value from 2009 to 2025 even accounting for all the ups and downs. You'd be filthy rich. But why are we all here? Is it because we invested in 2009 and are laughing from our billionaire yachts? No, it's because 99.999% of you are dirt poor and hoping that somehow Bitcoin will save your financial life. I can name countless other examples of assets that have mooned since 2009. AAPL, TSLA, NVDA, GME, the rest of FAANG, etc are just a few to name. If you didnt' get rich off of Bitcoin, why didn't you get rich off of any of these other assets? I get it, you're all just pathetic failures hoping that somehow you pick the right assets for the next 50,000% return. We all want that, but maybe instead of relying on that as your only path to financial success, you can try working hard? For instance I graduated just before 2009 into the great recession. Yes, life sucked, but you know what, we had 15 years of a bull market since and economic growth that got better and better. Maybe 10 years ago in 2015 you could point at how life sucked and we were still recovering, but since everything has gotten better. My own income has 6x-ed since 2009. So even without Bitcoin or stonks, you should be able to climb yourself whether its career growth, income growth, etc.

Fre4k_on_E

Have you ever seen what happened to TSLY (TSLA income fund) over time? I get it, the income fund won't grow as much as the stock does, but the divergence is insane. [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GoWwa2qWcAAxivm?format=jpg&name=large](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GoWwa2qWcAAxivm?format=jpg&name=large) This can also happen to MSTY.

Hitchie_Rawtin

Most people here (99%+) don't use crypto in any meaningful way - we saw the market flood a presidential memecoin with $25bn in volume within a day - they don't care about innovation in any way, they just want their bags pumped. People investing in vastly overpriced tech stocks act the same even though there are more easily parsable metrics that would indicate something like TSLA could drop another 75-80% and be considered a reasonable purchase with a sane P/E ratio. People become exuberant while buying into spiking & overspeculated assets and their feelings when prices crash down closer to their true value are the inverse of that exuberance.

cryptoripto123

Of course anyone can find a winning asset. But why aren't you rich already from Bitcoin? Why didn't you get rich off of NVDA? TSLA? AAPL? There are countless ways to get rich.

BQbaobao

TSLA going to zero before bitcoin. I said it first…?

WolfEither3948

Today yes, but historically it trades more like a hype tech stock — like TSLA. Generally, positively correlated with the market just more volatile. Yesterday it sold off and mirrored market performance. It’s evident that you have a good grasp of the fundamentals, but I’m a little shocked by how many other supporters have invested in it without a basic understanding. Which raises legitimate concerns on how it will actually behave. BTC shot up after trump won because he showed support and Biden was opposed it. - that makes sense Inflation was the primary issue for voters in 2024 election pushing gold on a historic run but BTC was down most of 2024 before shooting up on news of election results. 2025 BTC is down just like the DJIA, SP500, and Nasdaq. In theory it should hedge against inflation and the US market selloff, how it actually behaves in practice is a different thing altogether. Showing you can be right and ultimately still lose money. Be careful.

bodog9696

Why do crypto communities continually preach "HODL/DON'T SELL" to others invested in the same asset? If an individual chooses to HODL & "NOT SELL", that's the individual's prerogative. Why does any individual care what others opt to do with their assets?! In my experience, it's unique to cryptocurrency. I never see TSLA or AAPL shareholders concerned with how others manage their shares.

AromaticGust

I like the idea of this, but I remember hearing when states implemented the ability to pay your owed taxes with Cryptocurrency they were surprised when people didn't really use it much. I'm guessing something similar will happen here. Most of us are using crypto as a store of value and or investment and so just as I wouldn't buy a coffee by selling a bit of a share of TSLA I probably would never do this. Now, stablecoins, yes absolutely.

WolfEither3948

I think you have your answer. Unpopular opinion: If Bitcoin was everything supporters claim it to be. It would behave very differently. - As an alternative payment framework, it’s essentially a bet against US economy/financial system. As such, BTC performance should be negatively correlated to the market, instead it mirrors it. - Given inflation and recession fears we should’ve seen price appreciation similar to that of gold. This indicates that investors don’t actually see it as an inflationary hedge. - BTC trades like a tech stock because that’s how people actually view it. Generally speaking positively correlated to the broader market with more volatility like TSLA. I could totally be wrong, and for those who own it, I hope I am. That being said, my points are still valid, and hopefully I’ve introduced enough uncertainty to make you rethink your decision and save half of your 401k.

PulIthEld

dont feel bad TSLA is down 33% since Jan 20, BTC is only down 18%

jwz9904

at least i hold BTC and not TSLA, that's a consolation

jwz9904

TSLA drags nasdaq drags BTC drags alts down

Glum-Wealth-6171

Well it seems like the stock market has brushed off the tariff fears.. companies like TSLA are ripping even with negative economic outlook and sentiment. And yet crypto markets are flat. Why?

Inner-Yams

Im confused...he requested shares reward to incentivize TSLA to stop dumping. 3 days later it hit a bull run. There was no drop between those dates that was more volatile than the last week prior to the request.