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ItIsRaf

Well a lot of people are bagging the short term raises on MSTR, TSLA and BTC

Petursinn

Ye sure, TSLA is doing great, and they will never sell their Bitcoins, gotcha....

fanzakh

If I can borrow on TSLA, I can borrow on BTC. It all depends on the margin requirement. And I'm not saying this will happen right now cause no bank does this. But if BTC becomes a treasury asset, it will act just like gold or treasuries.

Sabast-

As a seasoned 25+ year investor, I would tweak this a bit: - Pay of all debts first - unless you have an essentially free interest rate like 3%, and a comfortably manageable monthly payment. But pay extra to get the princapal down faster. - Put 20% into a super safe, liquid cash-equivalent instrument (eg savings account), until you build up enough to cover 6 months of normal living expenses. - Then drop it down to 10% and keep going until you have a year's worth, and keep going. Dip into it for after that for emergencies or big purchases, but never go below an identified 1 year of expenses, and try to keep growing it. - I would stay away specifically from XRP and SOL. I don't know why those have been doing well, but then again I don't know why TSLA hasn't crashed. People are stupid, and the market is dumb and irrational. Yes, they have been working to facilitate cross-border payments. But there is nothing intrinsic to either that allows that, just agreements that any crypto foundation can - and will - make, so not a real, unique, lasting competitive advantage. High TPS is good, but comes at a serious cost to the other two anchors in the Crypto Trilemma. The real and serious problem is that both of those lack the very two things that most crypo is great at: transparency and decentralization. SOL specifically has had *outages* in the past. That is totally unacceptable for something that should be trustless and decentralized. That it hopefully may never happen again, is irrelevant. That it ever happened at all, is a HUGE red flag. You might do well by getting in - just be sure to get out at the very next overheated market, just in case. I sure as hell am not touching either with a ten-foot pole. - BTC and ETH are always solid bets. I don't understand why BTC is beating literally anything - all it is, is "the first", and has name recognition for boomers telling their brokers "I want in on this crypto thing". That's it. Plus this delusion that it's "digital gold". So for that, it's probably not going anywhere for a while, and will probably continue to outpace everything else for years to come. Possibly even 10x'ing again before you know it, inexplicably, against all reason and logic. - Can't go wrong with other solid alts with fully open and transparent architectures, governance structures, and validators - like Cardano and Algorand. Hedera uses a new tech and is well-organized, very open and non-sus - but seems a little overhyped at the moment (unlike say underdog Algorand).

Friendly-Profit-8590

Totally agree but she got TSLA right. Though, I suppose, if she hadn’t we never would’ve heard of her.

ObiWanKokobi

Please buy $TSLA!

Huge_Supermarket9418

True. I’ve made more money this year on RKLB, KULR, IONQ, OKLO TSLA and NVDA. In the stock market than in crypto

the_bueg

In my imperfect estimation, Monero has had the most stable price action in recent years. That, along with better TPS and lower tx fees that BTC - not to mention the privacy and fungibility of cash - a WAY better "currency" than BTC. I've written at length in a few other comments the last couple of days why BTC is the absolute worst "currency" of all crypto, but other comments basically encapsulate it. Monero still has an energy problem though. Not a month's worth of average US household electricity for each transaction like BTC, but it's still inefficient PoW, and with higher adoption, would attract even more miners. (I mine it myself but 100% solar and for a reason unrelated to profit. I still lose money.) Algorand is a highly underrated coin, near-free, about 1 second settlement, has USDC, time-and-battle-tested, and outstanding open governance and concentration-resistance. Cardano attributes *almost* as good, but no stablecoin yet. (And for investors, not undervalued.) XRP and SOL are too centralized and opaque for my tastes, and grossly overvalued IMO. Hedera seems promising but currently price action is too hyped (good for me bad for a currency). Needs more time, and a stablecoin. But none of that probably matters. Certainly not some rando's analysis, no matter how sober. If TSLA can take off after that earnings announcement, nothing really matters. Although we already kinda knew that in our heart of hearts didn't we - with BTC being the winningest coin going for no good reason other than being the first, and its name recognition by boomers who know absolutely nothing about crypto and just want to be able to call their broker and say, "get me in this 'crypto' thing!".

the_bueg

It's so irrational. BTC's value is not as a "currency", but as "digital gold" as they say. A "finite store of value". Which to me sounds like copium, and has no defensible basis in reality. At the end of the day, IMO, it's just a speculative asset, plain and simple. Don't get me wrong, I've been in BTC for almost ten years - and slowly bought more through every major downturn - and it's done very well for me. So I'm not complaining, but I don't get it. It's not just irrational, it's moronic IMO. XRP and SOL are very high throughput and solving some problems like cross-border payments, but both are too opaque and centralized IMO, and SOL has had actual outages - an absolute non-starter in my book. I don't know how anyone can accept that, even as a historical blip. No distributed P2P crypto network should *ever* have an "outage". But again - the market is not rational, so what I would think should matter, is utterly irrelevant. Why has TSLA been going *up* after last earnings call? Up is down, and red is pineapple quarterback. Hedera sound really intriguing to me. I (and apparently only I) think of it as "Gen 3" crypto. I think of Algorand and Cardano are "Gen 2+", and ETH on Proof-of-Stake is "Gen 2". ETH on Proof-of-Work was "Gen 1+" in my mind (supporting smart contracts but still crazy power requirements), Bitcoin is "Gen 1 proof-of-concept". The first. Works about as well as a toddler eating glue. Monero is solidly and [I'd argue] the best of Gen 1: still PoW and no smart contracts - but low tx costs, faster than bitcoin - and as private and fungible as cash. I myself am mostly in Bitcoin, but betting heavily on Hedera and Algorand. ALGO is a total underdog, overlooked, underappreciated, and IMO grossly undervalued. What it has going for is is essentially free and instant transactions - among the quickest going - excellent governance and decentralization model, USDC is available on the chain, and the foundation is apparently making deals left and right with governments and other organizations. To do what, exactly, I don't quite remember [and/or never bothered looking into it more] - but the chain could certainly be used as the basis for one or more government-sponsored digital currencies for better or worse. (Better for ALGO, for sure.) But again, fundamentals and logic really don't seem to mean shit. Just throw a dart at the friggin wall.

cyger

I actually sold a little BTC to buy TSLA a couple days ago under $230 as TSLA was severely oversold.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Tesla (TSLA) announced that it did not sell any of its $1 billion Bitcoin holdings in Q1 2025, according to its latest earnings report. The company's Bitcoin holdings are currently valued at approximately $1.05 billion, with an unrealized gain of over $500 million. Tesla last made a significant Bitcoin transaction in Q3 2024, transferring $760 million worth of Bitcoin assets. Despite market volatility, Tesla continues to hold its Bitcoin investment, which has positively impacted its finances. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

KiNg-MaK3R

Agreed with the sentiment in most of these comments. You cannot compare what could have been. I bought TSLA shares at $14, and if I held them and sold them at the absolute top, I would have made $2+ million dollars. But in those 10 years I ended up buying a house, having 2 kids, and hey, bought some bitcoin too. I ended up selling those shares for $22 and at the time, was pretty happy with that trade. You can't think about what could have been. You made a great trade and now live in a house with a wife that you seem to like, don't ruin the good life you seem to have. Comparison is the thief of joy. Move on, take your wife out to an expensive dinner and say sorry and move on.

cryptoripto123

Why does it matter? Your goal in life is to make enough to provide for yourself, your family, and have some leftover to enjoy. If you haven't been investing in stocks your whole life and suddenly think you'll get rich quick off of Bitcoin... lol joke's on you. Bitcoin already 10,000x-ed. Where were you? NVDA and TSLA 20xed in the past few years. Where were you?

SirMustache007

Ok but do you actually think that Bitcoin, with its massive scaling problems and huge energy demands is actually going to be the crypto asset central to the global financial revolution? The slow exchange times, huge fees, huge energy demands are technological anchors which are massive obstacles that will prevent Bitcoin from achieving actual pragmatic value, even if I would want it to. I swear, BTC feels like TSLA right now in that it’s current valuation is based more on hopes and dreams than actual truth.

FireballAllNight

Eric Trump shilled ETH. It just so happened to peak on the same day as TSLA, Dec 17th, had what appeared to be standard market fluctuations, and has been downhill ever since "it's a great time to buy $ETH" It's been pumped and dumped and now it has has no future. Farewell to one of the last respective alt coins. This is why we regulate.

cryptoripto123

Such posts are just cringe. You're right Bitcoin has shot up miraculously in value from 2009 to 2025 even accounting for all the ups and downs. You'd be filthy rich. But why are we all here? Is it because we invested in 2009 and are laughing from our billionaire yachts? No, it's because 99.999% of you are dirt poor and hoping that somehow Bitcoin will save your financial life. I can name countless other examples of assets that have mooned since 2009. AAPL, TSLA, NVDA, GME, the rest of FAANG, etc are just a few to name. If you didnt' get rich off of Bitcoin, why didn't you get rich off of any of these other assets? I get it, you're all just pathetic failures hoping that somehow you pick the right assets for the next 50,000% return. We all want that, but maybe instead of relying on that as your only path to financial success, you can try working hard? For instance I graduated just before 2009 into the great recession. Yes, life sucked, but you know what, we had 15 years of a bull market since and economic growth that got better and better. Maybe 10 years ago in 2015 you could point at how life sucked and we were still recovering, but since everything has gotten better. My own income has 6x-ed since 2009. So even without Bitcoin or stonks, you should be able to climb yourself whether its career growth, income growth, etc.

Fre4k_on_E

Have you ever seen what happened to TSLY (TSLA income fund) over time? I get it, the income fund won't grow as much as the stock does, but the divergence is insane. [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GoWwa2qWcAAxivm?format=jpg&name=large](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GoWwa2qWcAAxivm?format=jpg&name=large) This can also happen to MSTY.

Hitchie_Rawtin

Most people here (99%+) don't use crypto in any meaningful way - we saw the market flood a presidential memecoin with $25bn in volume within a day - they don't care about innovation in any way, they just want their bags pumped. People investing in vastly overpriced tech stocks act the same even though there are more easily parsable metrics that would indicate something like TSLA could drop another 75-80% and be considered a reasonable purchase with a sane P/E ratio. People become exuberant while buying into spiking & overspeculated assets and their feelings when prices crash down closer to their true value are the inverse of that exuberance.

cryptoripto123

Of course anyone can find a winning asset. But why aren't you rich already from Bitcoin? Why didn't you get rich off of NVDA? TSLA? AAPL? There are countless ways to get rich.

BQbaobao

TSLA going to zero before bitcoin. I said it first…?

WolfEither3948

Today yes, but historically it trades more like a hype tech stock — like TSLA. Generally, positively correlated with the market just more volatile. Yesterday it sold off and mirrored market performance. It’s evident that you have a good grasp of the fundamentals, but I’m a little shocked by how many other supporters have invested in it without a basic understanding. Which raises legitimate concerns on how it will actually behave. BTC shot up after trump won because he showed support and Biden was opposed it. - that makes sense Inflation was the primary issue for voters in 2024 election pushing gold on a historic run but BTC was down most of 2024 before shooting up on news of election results. 2025 BTC is down just like the DJIA, SP500, and Nasdaq. In theory it should hedge against inflation and the US market selloff, how it actually behaves in practice is a different thing altogether. Showing you can be right and ultimately still lose money. Be careful.

bodog9696

Why do crypto communities continually preach "HODL/DON'T SELL" to others invested in the same asset? If an individual chooses to HODL & "NOT SELL", that's the individual's prerogative. Why does any individual care what others opt to do with their assets?! In my experience, it's unique to cryptocurrency. I never see TSLA or AAPL shareholders concerned with how others manage their shares.

AromaticGust

I like the idea of this, but I remember hearing when states implemented the ability to pay your owed taxes with Cryptocurrency they were surprised when people didn't really use it much. I'm guessing something similar will happen here. Most of us are using crypto as a store of value and or investment and so just as I wouldn't buy a coffee by selling a bit of a share of TSLA I probably would never do this. Now, stablecoins, yes absolutely.

WolfEither3948

I think you have your answer. Unpopular opinion: If Bitcoin was everything supporters claim it to be. It would behave very differently. - As an alternative payment framework, it’s essentially a bet against US economy/financial system. As such, BTC performance should be negatively correlated to the market, instead it mirrors it. - Given inflation and recession fears we should’ve seen price appreciation similar to that of gold. This indicates that investors don’t actually see it as an inflationary hedge. - BTC trades like a tech stock because that’s how people actually view it. Generally speaking positively correlated to the broader market with more volatility like TSLA. I could totally be wrong, and for those who own it, I hope I am. That being said, my points are still valid, and hopefully I’ve introduced enough uncertainty to make you rethink your decision and save half of your 401k.

PulIthEld

dont feel bad TSLA is down 33% since Jan 20, BTC is only down 18%

jwz9904

at least i hold BTC and not TSLA, that's a consolation

jwz9904

TSLA drags nasdaq drags BTC drags alts down

Glum-Wealth-6171

Well it seems like the stock market has brushed off the tariff fears.. companies like TSLA are ripping even with negative economic outlook and sentiment. And yet crypto markets are flat. Why?

Inner-Yams

Im confused...he requested shares reward to incentivize TSLA to stop dumping. 3 days later it hit a bull run. There was no drop between those dates that was more volatile than the last week prior to the request.

GabeDef

Yeah! Only down from $4k in December 2024! Not bad! Better than TSLA!

SUPAH_ACE

As for vocabulary words and what they mean, investopedia is a great resource. YouTube is another great resource for general information as well. Just be careful on YouTube as learning all kinds of different things can actually hinder your progress as a trader. Too much information, especially information retaining to different things in the market can be bad and confusing. Start with a general topic and research subjects within that topic. Also every YouTuber can put out good or bad information. It’s up to you to decide what to do with that information. For example. Swing trading. Look at how to swing trade and how it works. Then how are you going to swing trade? Whether that will be buying stock shares, option contracts, or futures or forex. Then, what are you going to trade? Is that SPY, Apple, NVDA, or TSLA? Then ask yourself how are you going to do it? What is your strategy to swing trade that stock? The last question is most likely the hardest thing to do. A strategy brings everything you’ve learned onto the charts. Learning and practicing a strategy you will use to trade live will make it or break it. You can come up with your own or use someone else’s. Not every strategy will work. It’s different for each trader. 100% win rates is nearly impossible. Also, read up or research on risk management and emotions during trading. Those two factors are some of the biggest factors people forget. Risk management is important so you don’t loose all your money in one trade. Emotions are important as they can lead you to revenge trade or oversize your position. One more thing, use trading view to look at charts and do technical analysis. Stocks react to technical analysis 90% of the times. This includes trends and key levels. Very similar, if not the same as DEX screener and works in the same way, just better features.

cryptoripto123

And? Bitcoin only has that potential if it actually replaces world finance, and it won't. Go invest into Bitcoin. You should, and everyone should. But it should be a part of your asset allocation. Don't forget to contribute to your 401k/IRAs. I'm going to bet you didn't contribute to those steadily for 14 years because if you did, you'd see how massive your balance would be today. My 401k 14 years ago was $40k. Today it's over $500k. Could it have been $50 million if it were Bitcoin? But if it were that easy why didn't everyone else do it? That's why you cant' be greedy. If you think it's so easy to find a 1000x increasing asset, then why didn't you get rich off of NVDA, TSLA, AAPL, AMZN, CSCO, MSFT, etc.? Oh that's right. It's easier said than done.

ThatInternetGuy

SOL wants to get halved in price like TSLA too. Halved in a month!

Jesse_Livermore

I remain skeptical about this really being a guy (vs ai), about this really being an ex-Salomon trader, about this guy currently being at a hedge fund who loaded up with TSLA stock going into this quarter, and generally about all CT predictions that come true. But having said that, I've never in my almost 30 years of investment world expertise (and 11 crypto) seen anything like this before. And now having said that, let us not ignore the fact that he also gave 2 other dates, 2 other dates which didn't mean shit, in his same Tweet. But still, to nail a call like that to the penny and time is outright amazing.

Ok-Associate-8799

There are now millions of people, globally, waiting for Wall Street to pull another GME or TSLA. Please god. I hope to fuck they do this. Unfortunately, Wall Street is now under a microscope by retail investors for short attacks and other fuckery, so doubt it will happen. Sad.

Chillbizzee

It’s hard to predict and as you say consensus will likely not hold up. 120k should be easily doable, double that less likely. I do expect a bit of a crash but probably not the 80% as in the past. I’d hate to sell all and not get in cheaper so will likely hold some LT as I have since last bull. *mostly (50%) in MSTR but want to rotate more into TSLA as I think it will outperform BTC next 7 years+.

Psykotixx

Personally, I fundamentally believe that Ripples holdings should be calculated in marketcap. I believe FDV is fully realized. So by my belief it already is. Just like Jeff Bezos stock in Amazon, Elon TSLA etc. being counted. I was also around back in the day. CMC doesn't view it that way specifically being anti Ripple. They've done a lot of sketchy with their XRP reporting as well. Such as misreporting prices, excluding volumes of certain exchanges or countries like South Korea. But also to answer your question: Firstly, I love Eth and hold a lot of Eth. But I do believe XRP will pass it again in MC the way most people think about it, yes. For quite a few reasons.

WorkN-2play

You don't lose if you don't sell 💯. So stocks retraced 10% which is healthy except TSLA which Elon is getting hammered for his actions and some wave. Crypto... well when the President's friends rug the degens retail runs scared with their heads in their hands. Some news could send this exploding (is a huge reload moment) so if you haven't bought any of dippity dip I would. Not financial advise

Final_Winter7524

Yeah. And TSLA to the moon! 🤦‍♂️

UrbanAlaska

At least TSLA is up after turning the White House lawn into an advertisement. Right???

Cats_Are_Not_Real

Yes, if you bought shares of AAPL and TSLA.

3i1bo3aggins

Of course not, puts on TSLA

Prestigious_Try_3741

Here is my answer: will your $9000 USD be worth $9000 USD in 10 years if you keep it in a bank account? It will still be the same number but the inflation will give it less spending power. Will your $9000 worth of gold be worth $9000 in 10 years & can you sell it for that much? (most gold exchanges give you 85% of the value.) Or you can trade gold etf and have nothing physical and your wealth on the stock market. Which stock or ETF should you buy? Which work of art should you buy? Which property should you buy? Or do you just HODL this .1 bitcoin & keep stacking it? My personal success with bitcoin may not reflect on yours but: gold: costs money to keep secure. You live in fear someone can steal it. You may have bought fake gold bars wrapped in real gold. Realestate: costs me overhead money for upkeep, lost rent, poor renters, poor behavior of neighbors, risk of damage or random big expenses. Art: could be stolen, damaged, lose popularity. Cash: can be destroyed or stolen. Taxed away, inflation devalues it. Bank savings account: devaluing. Fractional banking means my money does not even exist. Investments on the stock market/ ETFs: victim of whims, manipulation, destruction of value or long long term stagnation. Ask the TSLA share owners how that worked out for them right now! All my examples have a possibility of growth but no guarantee.

hesoneholyroller

My dude, if you invested in TSLA while it was hitting its ATH on no positive catalyst other than Trump hype, you make poor investment decisions. 

jwz9904

RIP TSLA, Trump's buying a tesla

Rent_South

This is of course true, we can all see what’s happening with TSLA in the news. But that doesn’t change the broader point, macro conditions are driving a massive sell-off across multiple sectors. It’s not just Tesla; major tech and growth stocks are taking hits, and Bitcoin is holding up far better than it historically would in similar conditions. The market is adjusting, but Bitcoin’s resilience in the face of all this is what stands out in the scope of this subreddit.

Rent_South

Well you seem new to this market, and quite frustrated about something else maybe. I've been holding since 2016-2017 and have lived through these cycles and sharing meaningful experience. Yes, Apple has been stagnant in their monthly chart. But what it proves is that you are the cherry picker given that among TSLA, AMZN, NVDA, META & AAPL there is only one outlier and you picked it...

jwz9904

TSLA -15%, it's expensive to be around mr trump

Rent_South

You want a monthly timeframe ? Even better ! TSLA is down almost 40% in the past month. NVDA is down 20% in the past month. Meta almost 20% down in the past month. These are some of the Highest companies in the world by marketcap. The point is, you don't compare Bitcoin to SPY overall, you compare it to tech stocks. And in past cycles, bitcoin movement has been much much much more volatile and violent in times of crisis. For having lived it. This feels very very mild, and is a clear sign that it is becoming so much more resilient. Almost 80K usd , at a 17% fear and greed index ? The potential upside is insane.

Rent_South

MAN. Are people even aware that GOOGLE, NVDIA, META etc are down 5-6% TODAY ? Or that TSLA is down 13% today ? 4% down for bitcoin is a nothing burger.

PaleInTexas

>Guess largest S&P corporations You just cherry-picked a single company.. S&P has not dropped like TSLA.

Cilree

The TSLA dump is not exactly only Trump's fault though. People don't want to support a nazi.

jwz9904

yeah, the stocks market are shit too. Look at TSLA and nvidia

going-AWOL

comments like this smell like "bag holder" and get ppl rekt...to all the noobs, buy when ppl post they will kill themselfs or bet on fake hamster races "on the blockchain" because they need to gamble...look at tradfin are you shure $TSLA and $NVIDA are gonna save us one more time? ...to not be too pesimistic some dinocoins looking good and could make new highs even if btc underperformes, but what do i know🥲

Rent_South

Yes its incredible that some stocks like.TSLA have suffered more than bitcoin on a 6 months chart lmao. 

RollingMeteors

>You're betting that your assets will appreciate in value at a higher rate than the interest rate on your debt. E.g., you own $100,000 of bitcoin and use it to borrow $20,000 (since you have to overcollateralise your loan) at 8% interest. Over five years, you pay roughly $1,600 in interest per year, and $20,000 back at the end. So you have to pay back $29,386 in total. Sounds like what kekius is doing with TSLA... ¿Except didn't he just loose more money than B. Gates ***entire net worth*** ??? ¿What happens when your $100,000 of XYZ that was used to borrow $20,000 is now instead worth $50,000 or $25,000? It's a bet, like you said. ¿What happens when you bet it all on black and it lands on red? ¿Pretty shitty tax penalty is ensured I'd imagine?

richardj195

1. All cryptos are fundamentally the same. Same technology, capitalised by the same players and traded by the same sort of people for the same reason using the same tools, on the same platforms. Crypto traders are about as diverse as a KKK meet and greet. 2. The crypto market and particular US stocks are \*highly\* correlated. 3. Stock prices are being jolted by US events. None more so than TSLA, though NVDA, also popular among the crypto bros, is also struggling to fend off accusations of irrelevance as the AI hype cycle moves from 'the peak of inflated expectations' to the 'trough of disillusionment'. 4. As these particular stocks with questionable valuations sink, crypto is also sinking as people are forced to liquidate crypto positions to meet calls to try and cover their over-leveraged positions. 5. Adjacent to 4, Trump's establishment of crypto reserves is absurd, and the market knows it. A small group of thieves has seized control of a bottomless purse and they have form for financial crime and price manipulation. In fact, he established his own coin which he named after himself for a successful rug pull. Therefore the crypto reserve is not seen by traders as a good thing, particularly those outside of the US where sentiment has turned sharply negative. 6. Because of the above, liquidity for trading is drying up. Liquidity for capitalising the coins is also drying up as the big money watches the storm roll in. 7. Market makers are moving defensively against TSLA anticipating a failure. While it looks like it's going to jump if it doesn't do it soon they'll just shove it off the window ledge anyway as that's where the profit is. In summary, people can concoct all of the implausible bullshit they want to explain crypto prices but fundamentally it's always been pinned to real assets. Always was. And now those assets are going bye-bye.

richardj195

The question you need to ask is whether or not you're in a bubble. It's looked to me for a while that there's a bit of a tech stock / crypto cult that's attractive to certain types of people that trade very aggressively to try and get rich. This has led to this significantly sized group of people in a particular country, weaponised by online crypto and share platforms, borrowing to buy overleveraged positions on crypto and tech stocks - particularly TSLA and NVDA. While it's arguably difficult to put a price on crypto currencies, it's relatively much easier to work out what stocks are really worth at a point in time. The difficulty facing the market I think is that TSLA has a supernormally optimistic p/e but is facing a massive backlash from institutional stockholders, its own customers and the public. This is reflected in the falling stock price. As a result, a lot of crypto investors are being forced to liquidate their positions to address margin calls on their stock positions or just failing out. There's definitely a lot of money going over the event horizon, but there's still some optimism/blind hope/whatever which is why the stock prices are falling down stairs instead of off a cliff. For now. However, as the stock falls, p/e rations also fall and even a strong p/e on the s&p500 gives TSLA a target price of about $60. This would be a systemic issue for US stocks and financial institutions. Also, sadly, with the prospect of an ongoing and likely expanding war in Europe, and the US deciding to sit this one out, military-related Euro stocks are climbing sharply (possible creating another bubble, at the expense of the aforementioned stocks). Trump's involvement is also degrading cryptos because in the market's eyes as it's clearly an open attempt at price manipulation by a small group that has now seized control of a bottomless money pot so even people that aren't being forced to sell are heading for the exits. Most serious investors have always viewed crypto with grave suspicion and this latest move just validates those concerns. Bottom line; if it is a crash I'd expect the downward momentum to accelerate into next week. If you can afford to get out then you should seriously think about that. Unfortunately, if the verdict is that we really are in a bubble then it's bigger than anything in modern history so there's probably not much you can do anyway.

Slapthatcash

I remember the day Tesla bought bitcoin. Btc was around 38k. I heard the announcement on TV and bought a bit. BTC shot up to 42k shortly after. TSLA buying BTC felt like a huge deal, a big tick mark for BTC. That was probably 5 years ago. Today, so many more companies, countries have bought. The fucking USA has created a BTC reserve! And BTC is barely double the day Tesla bought BTC - 5 years ago. I can not believe how undervalued it feels relative to that day, when today BTC has become so much more mainstream. I don’t really understand how its even possible and what is causing it?

racks_long

More and more listed companies (MSTR, TSLA etc) have invested in cryptos. More ad more institutions dipped in it. It’s no wonder why we are now attached to the market. This is the end of crypto because its whole purpose is gone. Oh well 

pmgoff

Sorry but the landscape is ever evolving take a look. S&P 500 Companies Holding Bitcoin: 1. Tesla, Inc. (NASDAQ: TSLA): Tesla made headlines in 2021 with a $1.5 billion Bitcoin purchase. As of early 2025, it holds approximately 11,509 BTC, valued at around $1 billion.  2. Block, Inc. (NYSE: SQ): Formerly known as Square, Block has been a significant Bitcoin investor. In January 2025, reports indicated that Block was poised to join the S&P 500, potentially becoming the first Bitcoin-holding company in the index.  Other Publicly Listed Companies Holding Bitcoin: 1. MicroStrategy Inc. (NASDAQ: MSTR): Rebranded as Strategy, it holds approximately 499,096 BTC, making it the largest corporate Bitcoin holder.  2. Marathon Digital Holdings, Inc. (NASDAQ: MARA): A leading Bitcoin mining company with holdings around 40,435 BTC.  3. Riot Platforms, Inc. (NASDAQ: RIOT): Another major Bitcoin mining firm, holding approximately 18,221 BTC.  4. Coinbase Global, Inc. (NASDAQ: COIN): As a leading cryptocurrency exchange, Coinbase holds around 9,183 BTC.  5. Hut 8 Mining Corp (NASDAQ: HUT): A Canadian Bitcoin mining company with holdings of about 9,102 BTC. 6. Galaxy Digital Holdings Ltd. (TSE: GLXY): A diversified financial services firm in the digital asset space, holding approximately 15,449 BTC.  7. CleanSpark Inc. (NASDAQ: CLSK): An energy technology and Bitcoin mining company with holdings around 6,154 BTC.  8. Hive Digital Technologies Ltd. (NASDAQ: HIVE): A company involved in cryptocurrency mining and blockchain infrastructure, holding about 2,287 BTC.  9. Bitfarms Ltd. (NASDAQ: BITF): A Bitcoin mining company with approximately 803 BTC in holdings.  10. NEXON Co., Ltd. (TYO: 3659): A Japanese gaming company holding around 1,717 BTC. 

holiquetal

at least $TSLA is shitting the bed too

RosieDear

Everyone has stories....I, for example was in on the beginning of the internet and although I made "millions", if I cared (or had wanted to) I could have bought up domain names that later fetched millions. I did my mini-version and actually made 15 or 20K on a couple - seemed like good money back then. Stopped in a local Toyota dealer a few years back - I recognized the sales dudes name as being the name of the first big ISP (Internet Service Provider - before cable and all) in the area. We got to talking and he mentioned that his dad had purchased 250 BTC at about $10. This was someone in the "know" - but no one had ANY idea...... Long story short, his son is selling cars. I'd think that if he kept the BTC, Dad would be worth 25m plus whatever else he made from Internet. Stories are fun and I never have any regrets. I was a "tech leader" - being an older dude I knew stuff. So I purchased TSLA in 2012 at about $20. Ha Ha. My training says, on Wall Street, Pigs get slaughtered, so I sold most of it at $55, although I bought and sold a little after. I could say the same with Apple, which I have owned (on and off) since the 1980s'. Between the two of those stocks I'd easily have 20+ m if I held (again, no regrets...I like to lock in my gains and lower risk).

Jgriffith007

Puts have been printing. Especially on TSLA lol

Rent_South

I am not his base so not sure if thats what you're looking for. But if you’re hoping for some grand plan, I think you might be disappointed. Markets don’t like uncertainty, and right now, Trump’s policies, especially the tariffs, are creating a lot of it. Crypto is very often at the forefront of the market, and it tends to react more violently to unfavorable news than tech stocks for example, that are already notorious for their turbulent reactions. So, the current situation is the consequence, of uncertainty and a crypto market that was already crabbing for a long while, not just crypto by the way. Check a 6 month NVDA chart and you'll see they are in the red at the moment (6 months is long for tech stocks or crypto). TSLA is bleeding red for example as well.

Rent_South

>There's even a new department named after a cryptocurrency Elon was always a grifter and set his sights on doge in 2021 after spreading FUD about BTC, even though TSLA owned a shit ton of BTC. That there is a department named doge means nothing, except that Elon is an absolute idiot. >what happened to the "Crypto President"? About the bitcoin reserve, he initiated a "task force" to study the matter... Not even citing bitcoin in the document but saying "digital assets". So yes this was kind of a let down, but expectable honestly. > I'd love some actual insight into what went wrong The "crypto president" didn't just fuck up the crypto market at the moment. He fucked up the whole stock market, bond market, every thing. These Tariffs he has been touting hare creating havoc in the economy, markets hate uncertainty and global trade war, obvious-fucking-ly. The good news for us here, is that there is a high chance that when the horizon becomes clearer, and there is more liquidity around, we will start thriving again. At which price, at which level, this is uncertain though.

shes_a_gdb

In general I'm down on my stocks, but I'm also shorting TSLA, so I'm at least making up for *some* of my losses.

Quixotus

This ain't a correction yet. Wait until BTC gives back all gains from November's election. Just like TSLA has been doing. So $50-60k range.

Niaaal

I can't buy more anytime soon. And I could be doing other things with the money like shorting TSLA. But now I'm stuck not being able to trade and make profits for how many months...

Quixotus

BTC will give back all gains from November's election. Just like TSLA. So BTC back to $50-60k range.

Rasiel0nSolana

personally I don't want to go sign up with KYC for a stock trading account, when i could just go to Jupiter and buy TSLA in one click and from where I live, there's no way for me to buy TSLA stock. **->While trading is flexible on the blockchain, the US markets are still closed.** This is great because it will let us get ahead of the news and also create excellent arbitrage opportunities between the on-chain price and the TradFi price That's why I believe having a bridge between the traditional market and crypto is fantastic for the crypto community it opens up so many opportunities and has a lot to offer

MinimalGravitas

It's nice that Solana is trying to expand beyond the rugcoin casino, but for context TSLA and NVDA stocks are already tokenized on Ethereum (through 'Backed Finance'), Polygon (through 'Swarm'), Arbitrum and Base (both through 'Dinari'). I agree completely with this statement though: > I think that in 2025, Real World Assets (RWA) is the sector with the greatest growth potential in crypto. As well as Blackrock (the biggest asset manager in the world) who have tokenized hundreds of millions of dollars worth of US treasuries, Visa (the biggest card payment company in the world) and UBS (the biggest private bank in the world) are also deploying tokenization projects, with plenty of other financial institutions also involved. > **Visa** Tokenized Asset Platform (VTAP) is a new product that helps banks issue fiat-backed tokens. BBVA will use VTAP to create tokens on the public Ethereum blockchain https://investor.visa.com/news/news-details/2024/Visa-Introduces-the-Visa-Tokenized-Asset-Platform/default.aspx > UBS USD Money Market Investment Fund Token” (“uMINT”), a Money Market investment built on Ethereum https://www.ubs.com/global/tc/media/display-page-ndp/en-20241101-first-tokenized-investment-fund.html > **Deutsche Bank** has announced that it is building a layer-2 (L2) blockchain on Ethereum. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-12-18/deutsche-bank-tries-to-tackle-compliance-hurdles-for-public-blockchains Both [UBS's multiple RWA initiatives](https://www.tradingview.com/news/u_today:4c8d6b2d7094b:0-largest-swiss-bank-ubs-tests-its-product-on-ethereum-s-l2-zksync/) and [Deutsche Bank's L2](https://www.db.com/news/detail/20240514-deutsche-bank-joins-project-guardian-to-explore-asset-tokenization-applications?language_id=1) are part of a much larger program called '[Project Guardian](https://cointelegraph.com/learn/articles/project-guardian-explained)', led by the [Monetary Authority of Singapore](https://www.mas.gov.sg/publications/monographs-or-information-paper/2024/guardian-funds-framework) and with a huge number of financial entities participating, ranging from from [asset managers](https://gftn.co/sff-2024-videos-payments/project-guardian-tokenized-investment-vehicles-for-asset-and-wealth-management), market operators, custodians, credit rating agencies like [Moody](https://ir.moodys.com/press-releases/news-details/2024/Moodys-Announces-Participation-in-Project-Guardian-to-Explore-Asset-Tokenization/default.aspx), commercial and [central](https://www.bundesbank.de/en/press/press-releases/bundesbank-joins-project-guardian-943616) banks and even regulators like the [UK's Financial Conduct Authority](https://www.fca.org.uk/news/statements/fca-joins-forces-global-regulators-foster-digital-innovation-project-guardian). So yea, for those paying attention it is clear that RWAs are going to be the next step of mainstream adoption, as the traditional financial world slowly migrates onchain.

Lollipop96

your #2 is not really related to #1. Everyone knew TSLA is still overvalued and it was mental that it was at 400, still most people did not dare short it. Just like with every asset, the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.

Substantial_Rate_880

TSLA puts

Justaregard

Why would he care about BTC, he just created his own coin(s) and rugpulled (or accepted a huge Russian bribe) when it sold and then dropped faster than TSLA stocks.

forthetorino

If Elmo and Mango send me a $5k check I’m shorting DGT, TSLA and Doge with it.

Fluid_Complaint_1821

Think I turned my and wifeys stimmy checks to about 40k in TSLA during that time frame. It is now in Bitcoin

Churn

Not just Bitcoin. In March 2020 the market took a dive. I had an HSA with 25k in it that fell to 16k. I put it all in TSLA and it rose to over 100k in 2020. There were plenty of other great performing investments besides Bitcoin.

RosieDear

Uh, ask me after the Super Bowl who won. I'll place bets on it anytime! If the meaning isn't clear...the name of the game for folks that work hard for their money (as opposed to folks who have free money) is avoidance of risk...and that is what you get when you cash out once in a while. I could have held onto my Apple (bought from 1982 on) and TSLA (loaded up in 2012) stock and made 10's of millions. I'm glad I did not. That did not fit my goals. If your goal involves a NetJet card...well, you have to take some risks. My goal was a family and financial security. Does it matter whether we have 2m, 5m or 10m? Not a bit. My Parents (upwardly mobile - earned every cent) often drove a Rolls Royce, had an indoor pool. They always had the best of everything. Our lawyer, who was also a friend, used to joke "hey, what are you worth now....20 million?" to Dad. Well, Dad passed in August. Suffice it to say he lived better than 99% of those reading this (unless you too drive a Cornich convertible from your beachfront multiple houses and condos)....and yet, he's not wealthy by any means. Think about it.

Kryptikk

I'll bite. Gamestop is sitting on 4 billion in cash right now. If they hypothetically spent half of that and bought btc, this is what would immediately happen to their share price, based on historical reference: If GME is at $26.43, then apply the estimated percentage jumps: Base Case (15-25%) → $30 to $33 Bull Case (40-60%) → $37 to $42 Extreme Case (100%+) → $50+ When Tesla announced a $1.5 billion BTC purchase in 2021, its stock ($TSLA) jumped ~8% intraday and continued rising in the following days. MicroStrategy ($MSTR), which aggressively bought BTC, saw 100%+ rallies after major purchases. 

nizmo559

The past weeks BTC, XRP, NVDA, OKLO, sold AMD. PLTR looks good TSLA,  Apple ETH. Still a lot on the table out there if you have the resources. China isn't stupid, they will play ball with Trump. 

ButtStuffingt0n

You could just as easily choose a high volatility stock (TSLA, MSTR, or penny stocks) and trade options on them. The only thing you get with Alt coins is the added chance of being rugged or defrauded some other way. It's literally just a worse gambling machine than the regular stock market.

sevazilla

To be honest, what if we all collectively stop buying Teslas and short $TSLA…

futon_potato

Hi, also a software/database dev chiming in here. Few observations: * You list $ transaction volume daily as a success metric for these systems. SWIFT currently processes \~$4-5 trillion *daily.* * If the success metric is immutability or transparency, these can (and have) been implemented in traditional database systems for decades now * You've listed 3-4 "private/permissioned" blockchain implementations, each owned/operated/marketed by different banks. This is inherently antithetical to the core requirement of DLT: consensus. Each of these permissioned systems would have their own consensus mechanism/implementation that are either incompatible with each other *or* would require some bridge system (which is now outside of the closed consensus loop and defeats the purpose). * As a result of the above, if a company/org/individual decides to join JPMorgan's ecosystem for FX settlements, they're now automatically shut out of some other bank's The existence of these systems isn't an argument for the technology being better than traditional systems. It's more a result of institutions (mostly financial): * (a) hedging against traditional systems *just in case* and so that they don't fall behind * and (b) capitalizing on the ongoing hype in the sector Of the projects listed (and of those I've followed myself), the most promising is Canton as it aims to solve the 3rd problem I listed above (bridging consensus), but realistically that's still *years* out before I'd feel comfortable with my government adopting something like that. Elon's comment is nothing more than another attempt to pump his & TSLA's own crypto assets.

redeembtc

They said no unlike TSLA according to what I read on r/MSTR which I thought was interesting

boobiesdealer

yeah and TSLA shares

wikimandia

More like massively overvalued stocks. TSLA is a meme stock ffs. What do you think is going to happen when the ad-driven social media bubble finally bursts?

Stunning-Chipmunk243

Wonder which direction TSLA stock will move. They are in the unique position of being pretty much the only domestic automotive manufacturer that completely builds autos in the US and will not be much affected by tariffs.

Darkraskel90

Down 11k on SOL...and 8K on TSLA. 2025 has been rough.

Pale-Speaker-4127

I do have $150K invested in TSLA… soooo (look at my old posts) hahahahahahah

8A8

Bitcoin holdings account for **0.08% of TSLA market cap.** ($1.02 Billion / $1.248 Trillion) Bitcoin holdings account for **22% of TSLA operating incoming.** ($0.6 Billion / $2.72 Billion)

Livid_Hoe

TSLA is very overvalued, and hinges on the behaviour of musk. BTC all the way tho

Representing1984

Buy TSLA or Bitcoin

kalveklovn

We also have 1% of TSLA but I really hope we follow the Netherlands and sell all of it.

biba8163

Bitcoin is alternative money that continues gaining wider acceptance as an alternative money like gold, it makes more and more sense for even central banks to hold it like they do with gold because it's a diversifier, is a long-term store of value/inflation hedge, has lack of default risk and is highly liquid. It is outside the control of central banks, governments and corporations. It was NOT created and issued like stocks by founders to enrich themselves. Ripple is pushing XRP which is created by and is controlled by a handful of people, 3 of whom gifted 20% of the token supply to themselves and gifted the other 80% to the corporate entity they created. It is a business venture where they are selling these XRP for profits to continue enriching themselves . They have plans to IPO as a publicly traded company seeking greater profits. Keeping centralized, for profit company token as part of any country's reserve asset is like keeping APPL, GOOGL, TSLA, MSFT stocks as part of a country's reserve asset. It's actually worse because close to 50% are still owned by Ripple and 3% is owned by the founder Chris Larsen. Also XRP does not have any of the attributes of a decentralized alternative money like BTC. Ripple pushing XRP as a reserve asset is only doing it for one reason: profits to enrich themselves.

Grunblau

Will we hear about TSLA/XYO partnership during earnings?

cryptoripto123

Because Bitcoin doesn't actually fix this. You can find a number of things that could "fix" this including assets that have 10x-ed, 100x-ed etc in the past. You act like Bitcoin would fix this, but if you are so smart about Bitcoin why didn't you already make 1000x profits from 10+ years ago? Also there's other examples like stocks like NVDA, AAPL, TSLA, and you can go back every 5 years and find some phenomenal stock. There were plenty of opportunities to make a killing in returns and you didn't. So why do you think Bitcoin will change this now? You missed all the other signs to get in early, and you missed many other stocks, what changes now? What is just as important as picking the right asset is really having a disciplined mindset. Do you put a portion of your paycheck away into long term savings like 401k, IRA, brokerage account, home savings fund, etc? Because it doesn't matter about getting rich if you don't even know how to budget. Also I would argue simply chasing asset classes that 1000x puts you in a dangerous situation. You're too eager to "get rich quick" meaning even if you pick the right thing once in a while, you're also too eager to jump into things like rug pulls, scams, interest schemes, etc.

centurion44

The problem is that assumes companies like NVIDIA are properly priced. Same story as something like TSLA

cryptoripto123

Just investing in the S&P500 is a win already. Most people don't do this and don't have the discipline to put in money on a regular basis. Beating the S&P500 is nice, but I honestly think too many people are greedy. If you just want to beat the market, why didn't you buy NVDA, TSLA, AAPL, etc?

hello8437

well not sideways. isnt that the whole point of a triangle? its like an earnings report on TSLA