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Whole_Historian_7185

she hit a homerun in 2020 with TSLA. It went up, but the catalyst she predicted never materialize. A blind squirrel get's an acorn every once in a while

Live-Improvement3169

yes, just like TSLA.........

Live-Improvement3169

yes, same with TSLA (oh wait) and OKLO (oh wait) and PLTR (oh wait) and RGTI (oh wait)

RosieDear

My guess - is that if you sold in the time period of 2017-2020 and invested that in a general Index fund, you'd be WAY ahead of the game (your money would have over doubled). If you sold in the same time period and invested in well known and relatively low risk high tech stocks like google, Nvidia, apple, etc - take what you'd have gotten for the BTC and multiply it by about 12X and that's what you'd have today. So, if we were talking 250K worth of BTC in 2019, the later would mean you'd have 3 million. Those who just sat on the BTC? They'd be anywhere from about a negative 25% return to a plus 30% return. Factually the stock market scenarios are far superior, but I can't imagine that you would be either bragging or proud that you left that much money on the table????? I've done stupid things like selling my TSLA shares I bought in 2012 when I only tripled my money.....(I think it would be worth 100X what it was or more)....I can admit it. I also bought and sold Apple from 1984 onwards...at least a dozen times. If I would have held onto my shares...even from the mid or late 1990's, I'd be flying Private Jets (net jets). I'm happy with what I made....but I'm not going to sit here and brag about making 10 or 100X less than I could have! The thing is - the shares of all these companies I owned was "mad money". I didn't need to sell them....didn't need the money. Human nature....made it so I was happy with my returns.

Rock_Strongo

IF Space X was going to perform even 10% as well as $TSLA I'd be preparing to go all-in. Tesla is up 32,700% since IPO. I mean fuck Elon but I wouldn't short against him...

clashofais

The AI trade is not one single trade anymore. NVDA, TSLA, GOOG, semis, power, and data-center names can all react differently even if the headline theme is the same. For an active trade, I would want the level that invalidates the setup, whether earnings/revisions still support the move, and whether QQQ confirms or diverges. Without that, “AI bubble” becomes too broad to trade.

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godofpumpkins

It's complicated and hard to answer 😄 if you think about game theory, every player is not only trying to make their own decisions but they're also trying to base their decisions around their expectations of what other players are going to do. As an example, a ton of traders, especially in the bitcoin world, talk about "Technical Analysis" as a given: "we've hit a head-and-shoulders pattern, so the price is due for a breakout" or "we just crossed the 200-day MACD line, it's clearly a sign that there's a big movement". Anyone who believes in the efficient market hypothesis thinks the concept of TA is a bunch of nonsense, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't pay attention to it, because millions of market players do believe in it, and make their decisions on whether to buy or sell based on that nonsense. So in a sense, if enough people believe something to be true, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, and TA has kind of risen to that level and is more useful than its fundamentals (which are effectively people trying really hard to spot patterns in charts and making up explanations to justify them) would suggest. The 4-year cycle is sort of in a similar boat: according to the efficient market hypothesis, anyone who knows anything about bitcoin knows that there's a halving coming and its exact schedule. That means that although there is a change to the mining subsidy every 4 years, that change has been scheduled since the very beginning of bitcoin and everyone knows roughly when it's going to happen ahead of time. But the price has gone up significantly roughly every 4 years despite that, so now people expect it to happen and trade under that assumption, which can lead to a similar self-fulfilling prophecy. In general, I don't believe in trying to speculate on stuff like this (in bitcoin or anywhere else) and am more of a buy-and-holder. Patterns hold until they don't, especially ones that rely on everyone believing that everyone else is going to do something. But objectively, lots of people do make tons of money under such assumptions, and you might be one of the lucky ones too. People continue to buy TSLA despite it not having anywhere close to a revenue (current or projected at any point in the future) that would justify its valuation. Because similarly to my examples above, time has shown over and over again that even with bad market news like BYD making better cars that sell better, the price goes up. So why not speculate on it? It's not what I do, but many do, and many are obscenely rich based on that assumption. You just don't want to be left standing when the game of musical chairs ends, and nobody knows when it ends.

No_North1189

That’s honestly such a headache, going through verification over and over plus all those intrusive questions 😤 I switched to BYDFi a while back and haven’t dealt with that kind of hassle at all. They actually have a cool promotion right now—trade tokenized stocks and you can win NVDA, TSLA or a share of $50k total rewards. Also love their VIP Express Pass, lets you instantly upgrade VIP +1 level and unlock exclusive benefits like smoother withdrawals and better perks. Way better experience honestly 🤙

RevengeRabbit00

I think liquidity likely can only come from other musk companies like Tesla. The only people buying this would be people who already hold TSLA and think Elon is a genius. They will likely sell TSLA to buy the IPO. But who knows..

DeliciousElk4897

Polymarket's strength is the depth of liquidity on those geopolitical contracts, hard to beat for pure prediction markets. For actually trading the downstream moves on assets like TSLA or crypto when these events shift sentiment, I've used markets xyz since it's live on weekends too. You could also just set alerts and trade manually when traditional markets reopen Monday.

AgentLostt

They're not a buzzword anymore but "finally useful" depends what you trade. I've had AAPL and TSLA tokenized exposure since late 2024 and the only real value for me is weekend/after-hours reaction.

BitcoinBaller420

Following up quickly on my manic liquidity rant yesterday with a much calmer Friday... I quickly look at the farm post-STRC-singularity and see... meh that kinda sucked in some ways. Seems like once-again STRC was the place to be, even the market did also make it clear I was right not to think holding STRC was not going to work out the way these div-flippers think, even though STRK div-flippers are given a golden chance to sneak a div and be pumped that their STRK-per-share went up when they buy back in, luck bastards... Overall, considering the short-term markouts were stellar, and I gave a long-term plan over the next two weeks up front, I give myself an B. Not bad but plenty to learn from this about what I need to build to automate this process. My call on the total STRC was off, but qualitatively not bad, and could look a lot better when the Strategy report comes out... we see if Clarity passes soon, etc. Plenty to leave room for randos to doubt my power, but also, markouts don't lie, the execution was really strong, bottom line at the close showed it too. We'll judge the STRK later, as the market is clearly daring me to hold STRK for a couple weeks. But the flows again are dumb imo, and while it's true the market can be irrational longer than I can remain solvent... I can remain solvent for a *really* long time at these leverage levels. I just want STRK more which means I like my portfolio exactly where it stands. Heavy Bitcoin capital with a sensible risk-spectrum of allocation that is risk-on, light credit, and Bitcoin-only in existential exposure, heavy risk-on with 100% STRK, and light GLD, TSLA, etc. some other fun things in the mix at smaller percentages. I decide my next step is to touch grass for two weeks, maybe check in now and then to see if Mr. Market is doing anything dumb as they are quite prone to do. Thanks for watching, see you then. edit: grade myself more humbly, **A-** becomes a **B**... gotta give more weight to the miss that STRK would be especially good vs the Bitcoin pref community on exactly this day, and missed, even if my strategy recognized the uncertainty correctly and (maybe) still got it right. Time will tell, we can adjust later as we get more data. No shame in being wrong, seek the truth, Know Thyself.

DarrinEagle

There is merit to the idea but here are a couple of considerations: How much of your capital will you lose to taxes? Or do you hold it in a tax-free account? How richly valued is your tech stock? TSLA seems to be a bargain while some others have had big runs. In contrast, BTC seems to be ready for a big move.

JustStopppingBye

> Omfg! 🤦. Pretty much every company starts as a penny stock! Tesla too. Amazon too🤦.  *Tesla (TSLA) priced its initial public offering (IPO) at* ***$17 per share*** *Amazon's initial public offering (IPO) at* ***$18 per share****.* >Chainlink is around 6b while XRP is 140b. Over 20x times more valued.  A lot of XRP army are gullible gamblers, sure, but that goes w most crypto buyers including link.  So if banks are waitinig to use XRPL once the clarity act is passed, why did XRP pump from 50cents to 3bucks last year? Its literally just speculation to stuck in more gullible bag holders for another decade. >The XRPL is a top 10 most trafficked network n growing. No its not. This is a lie. Its nowhere near a top 10 network by users, TVL or overall ecosystem. >What did I lie?  Literally right here. "*The XRPL is a top 10 most trafficked network n growing."*

cyger

He pulled most of his funds from Microsoft for his foundation and other investments. Steve Balmer is also richer than Gates. Also Gates has been foolish with some of his investments like shorting TSLA.

GladSolid9333

I'd tell you to buy TSLA but then I'd hate to see you profit

big-papito

Smart money is rotating out of memes while the bagholders are acting like it's 2020, lining up to fill the bags on the "dip". This is why all memes are struggling - TSLA, BTC, you name it. It will only get worse. The world is changing in front of our eyes, and the only place safe right now is gold (and will be for the next few years).

booyahbroski

Every able-bodied working American man should do his best to obtain, as fast as possible: 1-3 BTC+ 300-500 Shares $TSLA 5% Physical Gold $1,000,000 Income-producing REstate $1,000,000 Domestic Equities Do this now and you will be retired in 2035. Let’s go!!!!!

Otherwise-Bird7140

Oh I think the connections are clear -- BTC and TSLA are both tech-savvy investment plays that could go to the moon. They are both forward-thinking products that herald a new age.

Otherwise-Bird7140

You should also get into TSLA stock if you like Bitcoin.

HSuke

She got lucky once. Even her later TSLA predictions were off. She predicted in Mar 2021 that TSLA would be $4000 in a bull market by 2025. We had one of the craziest post-pandemic bull markets, and TSLA peaked around $450 in 2025, which is $1350 pre-split.

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baIIern

>I fail to see how gold and silver in the current market are not ponzis It's definitely a speculative price. The little use cases don't justify the price. Or take TSLA lmao. Not exactly a ponzi though.

stefansilva_xrp

I ran a search of Bens YT and found videos of the end of the 21 cycle where he was still expecting another leg up. He was also predicting an ETH ATH for November by comparing the TSLA chart if you remember around September time too. I agree he may be more accurate but the problem I have with these guys is 7/10 times they are wrong lol thinking back know I maybe wrong but I am almost certain I remember Ben in October saying we could rally after a shutdown in one of his videos

Ultrayano

A speculative asset is an asset that has its worth because of speculation not because of the underlying thing/product mostly with the goal of making bang for your bucks short-term. Is it relevant? Yes if you want to go into the detail and stay correct. Is it relevant in this context? 50/50 because the market has turned into a casino with the current US admin where the US$ and gold have taken on traits of an speculative asset while especially Bitcoin and Ethhereum are going through and identity crisis (digital gold and backbone or IoT), trying to transform into a macro asset. You can call me brainwashed or you can just see the issues of the market, because stocks like $GME or $TSLA were far from their actual worth during certain periods of time. Precious metals never went this parabolic only to "crash" shortly after. Do you call this a stable macro asset?

KarmaShawarma

TSLA

Muircure

$TSLA Tesla

restfuladmin

~920k over virtually limitless money? why? You could trade up from a very small amount and be a multi-billionaire with the knowledge of TSLA or NVDA stock. Is that just too much responsibility?

FlagFootballSaint

The girl that bet her reputation on TSLA and is still shilling it? THAT girl? LOL

brandon_cabral

BTC & STRC only. STRC for saving, BTC for store of value/growth. Been thinking about Tesla stock. But have a feeling in 2036 I’ll regret investing in TSLA over BTC.

proXtu

Yeap. Sold TSLA and MSTR and 2 small apartments and put everything in BTC. No more hassle, tenants etc. I still have my flat and another one for which i pay monthly mortgage. I tried sell the second one but found tenants faster so i kept it.

Kesilisms

Go ahead and ask your fav AI (Grok/ChatGPT) to do an ROI analysis on $10,000 invested in the S&P500 20 years ago with all of the dividends reinvested vs Gold... You'll find that Gold, which produces nothing, like a pet rock, out performs the S&P500 even sfter compounding dividends are factored in. Think about how absolutely fucked the dollar has to be for the top 500 US Companies to produce a negative value when compared to a pet rock that does nothing but sit in a vault. So, using Gold as a baseline or from the reference point of Gold: The S&P500's output is negative. Now... Bitcoin enters the conversation and whips everyone's ass. Its only existed for 13 years, so to be fair look at a 10 year chart. Bitcoin decimates every asset class because its the only truely scarce asset with inciting price discovery. And guess what... the money printing just keeps accelerating. The dollar just keeps getting weaker and weaker, driving up inflation, driving more people to find exit ramps in Gold and Bitcoin. I find any US stock that doesn't have Bitcoin Reserves, Gold Reserves, or essential utility (Electric/Sewer/Defense) to be completely uninvestable. Sure, you can make plays here and there if you saw NVIDIA and TSLA coming before the rest of the world... but long term Dollar Devaluation is just running faster than any company can sustainably grow. This is the pressure that created the Michael Saylor we see today. And frankly he explains it better than anyone. Particularly when describes the moment he realized nothing else is investable but Bitcoin. There is no safe place for capital to go unless it exits the system to acquire a truly scarce asset: Gold, Silver, Bitcoin and Real Estate... but the property taxes eat you ROI on Real Estate. That leaves you nothing but Gold, Silver, and Bitcoin my friend. Factor in 3rd party risk and storage costs, Bitcoin comes out the winner. Hope that helps answer your question.

Hot_Philosopher3199

Good man! Keep that DCA! I sold in 2 tranches: one at 111 and one at 124. I've round-tripped the bear before, not this time. I'm ready to retire and didn't want the possibility of a big drawdown. I rotated to TSLA because I believe TSLA will run harder than BTC. I have been selling covered calls to regain cheap exposure to BTC through 2028 IBIT LEAPS. It has worked out well so far. Just my game. Doesn't make sense to most. It's all about increasing our wealth based on BTC value. It works for me. Once again, not a popular method.

cyger

I sold most alts except Solana. Holding onto a few others in case of a rebound, or others that have strong patents. Thankfully I kept a BTC bag untouched from 2015. But I even sold 1/3 of my BTC over the last 2 years into TSLA stock.

notrodman

Hyperliquid $HYPE — Buy it in Q3 & forget about it. Largest wealth-creation airdrop of 2024 with supply fully circulating, team unlocks started. Set the standard for onchain perpetuals & lowest fees on spot trading, ranging from BTC & ETH to even Fartcoin. First team to bring Equities (NVDA, TSLA, AMZN, etc.) onchain. On pace to overtake Binance with DEX:CEX volumes. Sustainable revenue buybacks to $HYPE. Longterm investment. Realistic 15-20x from here, who’s to say from where it bottoms in Q3 as part of the 4 year cycle.

ithastogoupfromhere

SILVER ans TSLA pumpin, I bought tokenized perp futures, works very well

Hot_Philosopher3199

"Where it could" "if it pumps" Yes. True. But like I said, I have been through a few cycles and I wasn't willing to hope. I rotated to TSLA, will rotate back if needed. Right now my thesis has played out perfectly, but time will tell.

Hot_Philosopher3199

I sold on that day. Rotated to TSLA

Hot_Philosopher3199

Happened like clockwork. Bull Cycle was over late Sept early Oct. And yes, I did sell for the first time in multiple cycles. I'm not saying it will go down 70%, I'm just saying I wasn't willing to round-trip it again. I rotated to TSLA. I'll rotate back when appropriate, but for now, my BTC/TSLA rotation is worth 22% more BTC.

Hot_Philosopher3199

I didn't. I invest in disruptive tech, which is why I hold BTC, NVDA, TSLA, PLTR, etc. Right now in this environment the best way to increase your wealth is to NOT invest the majority in BTC. Later if you decide you want to go all-in you'll be buying a lot more.

Hot_Philosopher3199

TSLA-you'll end up with more BTC

Hot_Philosopher3199

I have a BTC/TSLA bag. Was 70/30 BTC/TSLA until Oct, then 30/70. Great trade. I value everything in BTC and my bag has done very well since the flip.

Loud_Movie_8484

I honestly leveraged 0% credit cards with 5% one time fees for 12 months. Then I did a ton of research and got into AI / Materials but not the norms. I must say though I got TSLA at $219 and others like that. Then I just started following and investing. It all came to and end when I had $50k in OPEN and riding it up on a Reddit push. Quick $7k but it dropped 10 mins later. That day I sold everything b/c I saw its a problem. But I got out b/c I had to pay off my leverage. I had TSLA, MP, Goog, CIEN, ABAT, QS, TE, really cool buys and man they’re up like 300% some of them. Since I was leveraged I had to sell. I spent a week depressed b/c of FOMO. For BTC I’m buying now but no leverage. B/c I have no intention to sell.

cyger

I'm more excited about my TSLA stock then crypto at this point. So glad I exchanged a bit of my BTC (holding for 9 years) for this physical AI stock. While my alts on the other hand have absolutely decimated. 99.9% of them will go to zero, so I sold a bunch of them over the last few months into BTC.

aaj094

Also what people forget when pointing out specific investments that did outperform is that naming those single outperformers for the forthcoming future is near impossible whereas Bitcoin is a relatively safe bet which may not yield the best amongst all assets but still highly likely to get you something near the top. I recall saying exactly such even 5 years back on this sub when everyone was going gaga over TSLA.

verysillyman

Aaaaand it’s gone! Stocks like TSLA still at high of day of course

LegitimateDream4942

What you said is totally untrue. Why can't they sell Apple or TSLA to buy a house...?? Let's play this BTC thing out: I have 2 BTC. It's worth $200,000USD. I found a house I want to buy in Thailand, it costs $200,000USD and I need to pay cash. I can't get a loan since I have no income and I'm not local. How do I turn that 2 BTC into $200,000USD? I'd have to sell it in Thailand right? Because if I sell it in USA, I can't take that much cash out of the country, and I cannot import that much cash into Thailand without declaring it which will trigger all types of shit. So you tell me, how the hell do I "buy a house in another country with BTC". Tell me how BTC is superior to fiat at this point, in this house buying transaction.

KiNg-MaK3R

I bought 3 bitcoin @ $2k and sold for $3k I bought TSLA at $14 and sold at $17 I bought AMZN at $9 and sold for a LOSS I don't sell things anymore...

farsightxr20

Amazon always had growing revenues, they just reinvested everything into R&D and so never turned a profit until the point revenues were too high they couldn't find productive ways to reinvest it all. TSLA revenue this year has been largely flat.

xomox2012

Yes you typically expect higher P/E for growth and innovation based companies but the multiple of normal we are seeing with TSLA is well beyond the historical average even for historically innovative companies ie AMZ, Apple, etc.

farsightxr20

It's the TSLA of crypto.

aksinya_sidorova

First off, props for starting early and taking the time to learn. Weekly DCA into BTC is honestly a solid way to build discipline while you’re still figuring things out. If you’re interested in expanding beyond Bitcoin, I’d think in categories, not just “what coin to buy next”: 1) Bitcoin as the core BTC is still the foundation of this space for most people. Many long-term investors treat it like digital gold and keep it as their main position while experimenting elsewhere with smaller amounts. 2) A bit of higher-risk crypto exposure (small %) If you’re curious, you can learn about smart-contract platforms (ETH, SOL, SEI, etc.), but keep these positions small while you’re learning. Volatility is real, and lessons are cheaper with smaller size. 3) Tokenized stocks / RWAs Tokenized stocks are interesting because they let you get exposure to companies like NVDA or TSLA while staying in the crypto ecosystem. Platforms like BingX support this kind of product, and they behave very differently from BTC, which can help with diversification. That said, access and rules depend on the platform and your age, so for now it’s totally fine to just study how they work and maybe paper-trade or track them. 4) Invest in knowledge At 17, your biggest edge isn’t capital—it’s time. Learning how markets work, how cycles play out, and how risk management works will pay off way more than chasing short-term gains. Keep DCA’ing, keep asking questions, don’t rush into leverage, and don’t feel like you need to own everything at once. You’re already ahead of most people just by starting now.

malte_brigge

Big news for people who bought... ten years ago. How many people does that describe on this sub? Seems like most people who bought that long ago and were still hodling into 2025 dumped above $100k. I hear that TSLA and NVDA have also done pretty well over that time. And through the magic of something called a 401(k), some people were even able to get their employers to buy these stocks for them for *free*.

Fun-Sundae4060

Lol I’m 26 have my own residence, rental properties and 2 businesses thanks to TSLA stock. I have a wife and kid, maybe I should pay you $2 to jerk my meat 💀 And maybe one day you’ll actually get your timing correct with those $2 on BTC

Hot_Philosopher3199

Just personal preference. I've held BTC in cold storage for multiple cycles through a Self Directed IRA. I unwound it this year to Traditional IRA. I averaged out of BTC at 117k, because I am one of those "cycle believers." I swapped the BTC for TSLA because I believe TSLA will far outperform BTC until 2032. But once I was out of BTC I really missed it! To satisfy my BTC need I've been buying BTC LEAPS. I can control BTC for 1/3rd the price. To be clear, break even is 122k 2 years from now, but the LEAPS are 90k strike (BTC corresponding to IBIT) If BTC does not scream above 122 by Jan 2028, then the thesis is broken. I'm happy to take that risk at 1/3rd. In the mean time-I will have greater exposure to TSLA bc I'm not buying spot BTC. Just my rhythm dude! I price everything in BTC and so far this has all worked out perfectly. I'm about 35% up since the swap. I

biba8163

100% sure because I am not a moron that falls for bullshit hype. - Do you really believe you can buy AAPL/TSLA/MSFT shares in your Ethereum address by connecting to MetaMask and going over to Uniswap? Show me. - Do you think you can go to Robinhood and withdraw AAPL/TSLA/MSFT shares to you Ethereum address? Show me? - What NYSE regulated stocks are being traded outside the financial system of brokerages, DTCCs, etc and natively on Ethereum? Show me?

Hot_Philosopher3199

You have to remember there are tons of different avenues to financial freedom. You have clearly been orange-pilled, but there are TONS of people who have been NVDA-pilled, TSLA-pilled, PLTR-pilled, etc. all of which have had a much better multi-year period than BTC. In fact the S&P500 has had a better year. I know I know, you want to take BTC stats back to the 1 penny BTC, but take a look at the others. There are many ways to riches.

Happy_Discussion_536

That's like saying TSLA has to crash to 0 eventually. Never underestimate stupid investors keep buying the stock at inflated prices and hence keep funding operations.

Overall-Tailor8949

If you had and then treated it as if you owned stock in a company (TSLA, MSFT, AMD for a few choices). Gains and losses with Stocks or any other item of "value" are meaningless until you turn them back into cash.

gaoxiaosong

Same logic for TSLA investor. It’s true if you forgot your account.😂

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Funkybunch86

Justify TSLA valuation that isnt based solely on fictitious hype.

ShopperOfBuckets

AMZN has had buybacks, pretty much the same thing. TSLA is a bit overvalued imo but it's obviously pricing future buybacks/dividends.

whisperedstate

AMZN and TSLA for example have never had dividends.

Backrus

Was, not anymore. Let's look at April low. NVDA, the biggest market cap in the world, did 2.5x from the bottom. BTC did like 50%. Even from bear market bottom it was underperforming META, etc. On a risk-adjusted basis is done until proven otherwise. It's also the only asset in the world this year that collapsed instantly the moment it went into positive gamma. And it should behave more like TSLA or gold in August - gap up and go, and you don't look back because gamma feeds onto itself. Free assets move like that, and, on top of that, are able to squeeze shorts. You could have been short BTC since December 2024 FOMC meeting and never be in danger. In a post halving year, with historically weak dollar and during later innings of the greates bull market in history. Let that sink in. Since BTC as freedom idealogy is dead, and has been for quite some time, I'm interested in outperforming debasement, and it seems like mega caps with passive flows are the way to go. Those and anything with decent momentum. Logically, one should assume that there will be frontrunning of new FED chair and ZIRP so bottom around May, but who knows. It depends how deep we'll go this bear. IBIT cost basis is at 80.5k. Selling will accelerate there. Zombie companies will start puking coins. MSTR will get delisted from indices because it's just a close fund (and for close fund with expenses being 6-10% below mNav is considered fair value). So my guess would be 30k-40k range as bottom. Maybe even below IBIT floor, why not? Unless US or Japan tumbles - BTC has never seen real recession so 4-digits is the possibility then. There's also a scenario that the real top was in early December 2024 because we got peak euphoria then and BTC has topped in gold terms (and it printed and confirmed nasty head and shoulders in gold terms now). All in all, fully financialised BTC aka hijacked coin has become everything I don't like about financial world so I sold my whole stack few weeks ago and I'm enjoying unfolding carnage now. But I can see reality when Wall St runs ETH without BTC because narrative is there and test pump in Q2 was quite successful.

auniqueusername2567

TSLA famously sold bitcoin at a loss a few years ago. The narrative at the time was that this was a “write off” for tax purposes.

brucekeller

I was saying if you hypothetically sold BTC at the top of prices in Dec 2017, $19-20k. If you're counting when BTC was $900 or $1k, 20x lower than the highs, then yeah the return is a lot better. Some of the FAANG stocks are comparable to BTC's rise since then, like AAPL, but AAPL also would have been paying dividends. And if it was something like TSLA (not technically FAANG but whatever lol) or especially NVDA, you'd have done way better from a buy and hold since Dec 2017 perspective.

cyger

And that is why I sold a bunch of BTC for TSLA over the past couple of years.

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Beneficial_Poet_7983

...and over the last year, Bitcoin got slaughtered. Performance Comparison: Bitcoin vs. Magnificent 7 (Last Year) |Asset |Approximate Performance (Last Year)|Key Drivers| |:-|:-|:-| |**Nvidia (NVDA)**|**\~232% (or more)**|Continued dominance in AI chips and data center growth.| |**Meta Platforms (META)**|**\~164% (or more)**|Strong earnings growth and efficiency measures.| |**Bitcoin (BTC)**|**\~18.7%**|Macroeconomic factors, potential as a non-correlated hedge, and institutional interest.| |**Amazon (AMZN)**|\~71%|Steady e-commerce and AWS cloud services growth.| |**Microsoft (MSFT)**|\~56%|Continued cloud growth (Azure) and AI integration.| |**Apple (AAPL)**|\~56%|Product sales and ecosystem strength, though faced some volatility.| |**Alphabet (GOOGL)**|\~52%|Advertising and cloud performance.| |**Tesla (TSLA)**|Varied (down in some periods)|High volatility, competitive pressures in the EV market.|

FlagFootballSaint

It‘s disgusting to read this while TSLA is still unearthingly overvalued

anon-187101

And? They're not paid out to shareholders (NVDA's "dividend" is essentially 0), so the shares cannot be valued using DCF (discounted cash flow) models. Therefore, NVDA and TSLA are basically Wall Street Pokemon cards for anyone who owns them.

anon-187101

Show me how you figure the correct value of NVDA, TSLA, etc.

Potential-Menu3623

The same manipulation is happening in stocks, the first of the month algos and money managers probably funnel new money into driving the price down, possibly have a buyer on the other side too, tanking the price, then after retail flees they switch the algos. I believe this happens on TSLA too. The price action is created, the narrative is provided, retail flees, institutional bouys and builds the price back up.

KoalaMoney461

It’s not a loss unless and until you sell. I bought TSLA at 350 it immediately dropped to 300. I sold when it got back to around 340. I thought I minimized my loss. Now it’s 444… don’t be me. It’s just pixels on a screen until you sell.

devCheckingIn

NVDA and TSLA maxi from here on out.

Future-Bet4783

Im done with crypto. I’ve been here for 8 years. Piece of shit market. BTC is not worth the R:R if you want life changing wealth. PLTR, TSLA, NVDA, META,HOOD were the plays to be in. Theres no way retail ever comes back. Half the population in the US hates Trump and now they’ll hate crypto even more because his hands are all tied in it.

Ruzhyo04

And you sound like the TSLA investors that were eagerly buying the top in 2021.

panthera_N

TSLA just made a new ATH 😂

AlbertFortknight

I'm investing for my retirement and securing my long term final freedom. I still travel, buy and play expensive instruments, run my own business, drive a nice car, and have a down payment on my home. I never said I put every single penny earned into the VOO, or BTC, or AMZN, or TSLA, or QQQ (or whatever). If you make $x in annual salary, take 20% of x, pretend you never had it to begin with, out it into the market and forget it's there. Learn to budget, put money away for retirement, and let the money work for you.

biba8163

Even if you take BTC CAGR from when it reached a $1 Trillion marketcap, BTC return is competitive with top tech stocks after reaching $1 Trillion. And these are the best performing Mag 7 a lot of which have bubbled up with the AI narrative. BTC easily has outperformed the S&P and QQQ tech heavy indices. All this while BTC endured a massive bear market. Returns have come down but so has risk. Look at the 30-day volatility index in recent years and how quickly we bounced off a bear market. If bear market cycles (-80% draw-downs) become a thing of the past even the more modest returns will draw much more institutional interest as a lower correlated diversifier to traditional assets (depending on how damage Trump has done to the legitimacy of BTC and crypto in general which we will only know of in a regime change). If the growth continues, it will be BTC growth as a mature asset class in itself. The days of getting rich off BTC in a 4 year cycle are over. So are the days of doing 25X to 100X on shitcoins that rise when BTC goes on a bullrun. *Annualized from 02/19/2021 when BTC reached $1 Trillion Marketcap* | Asset | 1T Mktcap. | CAGR | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | GOLD | 5/21/1979| 6.15% | AAPL | 8/2/2018| 25.14% | AMZN | 9/4/2018| 12.28% | MSFT | 4/2/2019| 24.92% | GOOGL | 1/16/2020| 24.71% | BTC | 2/29/2021| 14.48% | NVDA | 5/30/2023| 104.46% | META | 01/24/2024| 7.73% | TSLA | 11/08/2024| 7.19% | **Asset** | **1/2 T Mktcap.** | **CAGR** | | ETH | 10/28/2021| -2.34%

subreddit-owner

Everyone who owns S&P500 technically owns TSLA and COIN and XYZ... so they too have Bitcoin :)

SendMe143

TSLA doesn’t just go up and up. If it was that simple, then everyone would just buy it. How do you come up with an exit strategy for any other investment? This really isn’t any different. You can buy any of the btc etf’s on the same platform you buy tsla. Nobody knows the future of btc just like tsla. There is a no secret club that can tell you when to exit either of them. The only difference is if you wanted to hold the bitcoin yourself versus through an etf. It would be more like buying gold. You’d buy through an exchange and sell through it. This would be in whatever currency you use already.

ConsciousJob9212

TMF - Direxion Daily 20+ Year Treasury Bull 3X Shares. Still searching for more stuff I like. For the past few years (since 2017 and 2020 respectively) I have been preaching GDX, TSLA, and BTC as my top three picks. I need to find 3 new ones.

jwz9904

only TSLA

Adventurous_Bowl4763

It’s when just about every bull gives up, the manipulators will pump up the price. I continue to hold my BTC, SUI and SOL. Likely will sell SUI on the next pump, keep some cash, and buy more BTC, SOL and TSLA

Altruistic_Swim_3852

😂 Cramer is the worst IMO You know what’s the best opportunity right now IMO RZLV Spread the word about 426% YOY Growth Smashing $90Million guidance for 2025 and increasing it to $150Million by end of 2025 $500 Million projected for 2026 Acquiring 2 companies for $16Million $10Million cash and 1Million shares of RZLV (most importantly! Shares already in circulation so no dilution!) We’ve got a legit business man at the helm! Smart pay acquisition on Wednesday 10/08/25 smart pay processed $1BILLION over the last 12 months and is the bridge for their vision Acquisition of SubSquid 10/09/25 a crypto on the blockchain that’s been around for awhile and has mountains of data for RZLV’s BrainPowa to learn from With those 2 acquisitions RZLV is setting up to be a global leader! An E-commerce GIANT! Also, the partnerships with Microsoft and Google! They’re reaching 90%+ of the E-commerce market globally!!! During the earnings call for RZLV Dan Wagner said there was a $1 for $1 credit guarantee by these giants! If you try RZLV’s BrainPowa and if you decide it’s not for you, then these 2 behemoths will basically give you a money back guarantee in the form of a credit to use towards any of their other MANY projects/products This stock is an absolute gift 🎁 to investors! Were you late on PNTR? AMZN? TSLA? NFLX? This is going to be a Dominant stock in a Multi Trillion Dollar Sector! And we are early for the show!! 🎉😁🫡😎 See you all at the top! 🤑🤑🤑

Altruistic_Swim_3852

RZLV Spread the word about 426% YOY Growth Smashing $90Million guidance for 2025 and increasing it to $150Million by end of 2025 $500 Million projected for 2026 Acquiring 2 companies for $16Million $10Million cash and 1Million shares of RZLV (most importantly! Shares already in circulation so no dilution!) We’ve got a legit business man at the helm! Smart pay acquisition on Wednesday 10/08/25 smart pay processed $1BILLION over the last 12 months and is the bridge for their vision Acquisition of SubSquid 10/09/25 a crypto on the blockchain that’s been around for awhile and has mountains of data for RZLV’s BrainPowa to learn from With those 2 acquisitions RZLV is setting up to be a global leader! An E-commerce GIANT! Also, the partnerships with Microsoft and Google! They’re reaching 90%+ of the E-commerce market globally!!! During the earnings call for RZLV Dan Wagner said there was a $1 for $1 credit guarantee by these giants! If you try RZLV’s BrainPowa and if you decide it’s not for you, then these 2 behemoths will basically give you a money back guarantee in the form of a credit to use towards any of their other MANY projects/products This stock is an absolute gift 🎁 to investors! Were you late on PNTR? AMZN? TSLA? NFLX? This is going to be a Dominant stock in a Multi Trillion Dollar Sector! And we are early for the show!! 🎉😁🫡😎 See you all at the top! 🤑🤑🤑

Altruistic_Swim_3852

RZLV Spread the word about 426% YOY Growth Smashing $90Million guidance for 2025 and increasing it to $150Million by end of 2025 $500 Million projected for 2026 Acquiring 2 companies for $16Million $10Million cash and 1Million shares of RZLV (most importantly! Shares already in circulation so no dilution!) We’ve got a legit business man at the helm! Smart pay acquisition on Wednesday 10/08/25 smart pay processed $1BILLION over the last 12 months and is the bridge for their vision Acquisition of SubSquid 10/09/25 a crypto on the blockchain that’s been around for awhile and has mountains of data for RZLV’s BrainPowa to learn from With those 2 acquisitions RZLV is setting up to be a global leader! An E-commerce GIANT! Also, the partnerships with Microsoft and Google! They’re reaching 90%+ of the E-commerce market globally!!! During the earnings call for RZLV Dan Wagner said there was a $1 for $1 credit guarantee by these giants! If you try RZLV’s BrainPowa and if you decide it’s not for you, then these 2 behemoths will basically give you a money back guarantee in the form of a credit to use towards any of their other MANY projects/products This stock is an absolute gift 🎁 to investors! Were you late on PNTR? AMZN? TSLA? NFLX? This is going to be a Dominant stock in a Multi Trillion Dollar Sector! And we are early for the show!! 🎉😁🫡😎 See you all at the top! 🤑🤑🤑

Altruistic_Swim_3852

RZLV Spread the word about 426% YOY Growth Smashing $90Million guidance for 2025 and increasing it to $150Million by end of 2025 $500 Million projected for 2026 Acquiring 2 companies for $16Million $10Million cash and 1Million shares of RZLV (most importantly! Shares already in circulation so no dilution!) We’ve got a legit business man at the helm! Smart pay acquisition on Wednesday 10/08/25 smart pay processed $1BILLION over the last 12 months and is the bridge for their vision Acquisition of SubSquid 10/09/25 a crypto on the blockchain that’s been around for awhile and has mountains of data for RZLV’s BrainPowa to learn from With those 2 acquisitions RZLV is setting up to be a global leader! An E-commerce GIANT! Also, the partnerships with Microsoft and Google! They’re reaching 90%+ of the E-commerce market globally!!! During the earnings call for RZLV Dan Wagner said there was a $1 for $1 credit guarantee by these giants! If you try RZLV’s BrainPowa and if you decide it’s not for you, then these 2 behemoths will basically give you a money back guarantee in the form of a credit to use towards any of their other MANY projects/products This stock is an absolute gift 🎁 to investors! Were you late on PNTR? AMZN? TSLA? NFLX? This is going to be a Dominant stock in a Multi Trillion Dollar Sector! And we are early for the show!! 🎉😁🫡😎 See you all at the top! 🤑🤑🤑

akaMePs

James provides some solid content and research, but be aware that most of the content he shares is related to his own bag. He's concentrated on his high-conviction bets, mostly BTC, SOL, and TSLA, the last being his heaviest bag. So, if you're looking for more diversified content other than his own bag, his channel is not a good fit for you.

ASaneDude

The US stock market is quickly becoming uninvestible due to PnDs, stock manipulation (PLTR/TSLA), and circular dealings. Now they’re going to do the same to major coins (BTC/ETH) it seems.

TechSnares

That's chump change to him. He pumped TSLA up a billion just the other week... different game when you have limitless access to US taxpayer money + inside info.

PoisonWaffle3

I bought BTC and some very specifically chosen tech stocks (PLTR, META, TSLA, CLSK, and a few others) with a $55k total 0% APR lines of credit in late 2022/early 2023 when all of the above were way down (BTC $15k, $4 PLTR, $140 META, $120 TSLA, $3 CLSK, etc). That was not quite three years ago, but the loans are now paid off and I've made over $300k profit on these. It was definitely a risk, but: \- I would have been able to pay the loans off if everything tanked (I did not gamble more than I could afford to lose). \- The market was at a low, not a high like it is now. The risk/reward ratio (Sharpe ratio) was much better than it is now. \- The assets I bought were *very* specifically chosen after months of analysis. In either case, I wouldn't recommend anyone else to do the same, but it worked out very well for me. The majority of the profits have been moved over to safer investments (mostly VOO), and I'll continue to do more of this toward the end of this year and beginning of next year.

farsightxr20

More liquidity than TSLA at least.

ComprehensiveKiwi666

Yes. Btc gold TSLA. 123

biba8163

*If you are lucky enough to be an investor who has access investments in the capital markets in the U.S, you really should diversify.* There are a lot of people in developing and 3rd world countries who don't have access this type of market that are relatively efficient, high growth, free of corruption and manipulation and BTC may be the only option for them. Use February 2021 as a starting point when BTC reached $1 Trillion marketcap as a global asset and not 2018, 2013 or 2010 when BTC was either a relatively small or tiny asset giving you some outrageous CAGR which cannot be repeated by a multi-trillion marketcap asset. From there BTC performance is still impressive but it's more in line with other traditional assets. It's actually very impressive that despite the huge appreciation in gold with central banks buying thousands of metric tons of it in the last few years and the AI narrative and CapEX spending in the stock market, BTC is still a top performer among these assets in the last ~5 years from when it reached a $1 Trillion marketcap. I throw individual stocks in the comparison because people inevitably scream NVDA today like they screamed TSLA in 2020. Outpeformance of various asset classes, individual stocks and even BTC wanes and waxes and nothing is guaranteed so diversification is key. BTC has been a great diversifier even after reaching a monstrous $1 Trillion marketcap. *Annualized from 02/19/2021 when BTC reached $1 Trillion Marketcap* | Asset | From Date | CAGR | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | NVDA | 02/19/2021| 75.1% | META | 02/19/2021| 24.28% | MSFT | 02/19/2021| 18.06% | GOLD | 02/19/2021| 17.87% | BTC | 02/19/2021| 17.20% | AAPL | 02/19/2021| 16.18% | QQQ | 02/19/2021| 13.65% | SPY | 02/19/2021| 12.38% | GOOGL | 02/19/2021| 11.57% | TSLA | 02/19/2021| 11.44% | AMZN | 02/19/2021| 6.74%

AyumiHikaru

TSLA PUT at close