SPY

DisorientedPanda

I dunno how much SPY is up but I’m up about 320% still at this point in time. And yes, of course but I’m saying perhaps it was priced in to some degree in anticipation of interest rates and inflation

Oglark

But you could have bought SPY and done the same thing? If it is a inflation hedge then it should increase in value as interest rates rise.

crimeo

> Fiat vs crypto/stocks isn't value. Value means real stuff in the real world with real usage. Other assets are a measure of value just like hamburgers and haircuts are. Everything is relative. But okay, if you want to talk about this concept itself also in hamburgers though, okay: The amount of hamburgers, haircuts, and bicycles you can buy with fiat fell much more slowly than the amount of hamburgers, haircuts, and bicycles you could buy with bitcoin or SPY shares, over the last half a year. Thus, $USD was a much better investment than SPY or bitcoin the last half a year. > Cash isn't an investment. Yes it is. > It's only good during a crash. And guess what's happening right now, lol? > Cash literally never gains in value as far as how much goods it can buy. In the financial crisis, $USD did gain value for a whole year, the euro deflated a couple years in 2015-16 or so, etc. *Usually* correct but definitely not "literally never" or "every single day" Not that that was my point. Point was in actual practical usage, cash is a better investment very frequently, much more frequently than deflation occurs. One of which times is right now.

yamaha4fun

Correct. It will go up, over time, with the rest of the market. It has become SPY 2.0.

brohamsontheright

You got the wrong chart up there, chief... For the first time in history, the price of Bitcoin is moving in lock-step with the S&P-500. (You guys wanted mainstream adoption.. this is what it looks like). The Bitcoin rally starts when the price movements de-couple from the stock market and the pattern moves independently.... Until then, whatever the S&P does, Bitcoin will move in lock-step. (It behaves like 2x leveraged SPY). This has never happened before, so all historical analysis using JUST the Bitcoin chart, supply charts, on-chain data, etc. etc. is now totally irrelevant. ...... And I don't know very many experts who think the S&P is headed to the moon any time soon.

Outside-Geologist-17

Felt like people were being too optimistic with this being the bottom. If the bottom for the SPY is something like 325 or even worse there could still be a lot more pain coming

EdwardMauer

Elon Musk stocks are the most volatile and speculative, in other words the most crypto-esque. It's a total straw man argument to only focus on TSLA and ARKK stocks and you know it. Look at the market as a whole. Clearly much less volatile. To your point, yes there's certainly a speculative element to stocks, like all assets. But it isn't all speculation, unlike crypto. There's actual sales and earnings underneath the hood. You can actually love on a house or grow food on a farm etc... these put a floor on the value. With crypto there is no fundqmental floor perse, other than speculation. Even if you want to argue stocks are overvalued (debatable) they're always at least worth SOMETHING because of earnings. Hold a broad index long enough and you'll eventually break even, and then profit, even if you bought right before a crash. And if stocks are overvalued that automatically means bitcoin isn't? It doesn't even have earnings so we can't even tell what its value is. Yes, holding some kind of non-producing currency has its place in most portoflios. But such should be significantly smaller than the producing portion. Personally I do 80% small cap value stocks hedged with call credit spreads against the SPY, and the other 20% in physical gold and silver.

DrSpacecasePhD

SPY is down 12% the past month, and about 2% this week.

Outside-Geologist-17

I think the SPY definitely could have a ways to drop still..I guess we will see how much of an impact that has on BTC

S-W0RKS

Might as well jus do SPY options since every market related thing is tied to it.

Boomer-Awerness420

Waiting for 25k$ - 20k$ and SPY bottom signals

Joe-M-4

Or just one chip on SPY ;)

tjackson_12

Yep, look at the SPY and the NASDAQ they are both totally gone go back to zero , no way they can just climb

robrnr

>However my fiance is very hesitant on putting anything into Bitcoin as she sees it as on a downtrend dropping 53% since it's ATH and not slowing as of yet. It sounds like you and your fiance have different risk appetites, which is best to talk through before marriage. What's your broader investment strategy as a couple? Is she saying the same thing if you bring up investing in SPY? How much, if any at all, would she be open to investing in riskier assets? 5%? 10%? Are you both already contributing to employer sponsored 401ks? Have you maxed out your IRAs for 2022? The last two questions assume you're American, but your country could have something similar. A thoroughly detailed and transparent conversation about debt, living expenditures, and investing is part of any solid pre-marriage counseling. Nobody *knows* it is going to recover. People have good reason to think so, just as we have good reason to think that stocks will be higher 10 years from now.

agciv24

Dude I’m out. Maybe when I see some more market adoption, but fuck all this schemey shit. Just gonna wait for the stock market to crash them will take my crypto portfolio and put in in SPY. I’m so done with this shit.

OffThread

That's in line with not keeping cash being the best option long term. How one keeps their value, is their choice. Holding cash isn't wise at all. SPY vs BTC, I'm going BTC.

Fuzzyfoot12345

man, bitcoin is holding up better than SPY

BtcKing1111

The 16-month low price was $27,600. The price broke this floor for a couple hours and quickly rebounded. Gareth Soloway is predicting based on chart analytics that we might still see a retraction to $20,000, may continue to drop further to $12,500... but $20,000 will be an entry-point for hedge-funds and large investment firms looking to accumulate large amounts of Bitcoin. Gareth, as well as other advisers, says we're seeing a repeat of the 2000 dot-com bubble burst. If you overlay the charts of SPY today and the 2000s, we can see a very clear pattern emerging. So it's possible this will keep dropping further, but again, there is lots of private and institutional investors looking for a buying opportunity, which will push the price up (may cause it to pump to $100,000 even). But, short of a pump, we may see a Bitcoin winter for 2-3 years, which would follow previous Bitcoin downturn patterns. This downturn may be shorter-lived however, if institutional investors start stacking for long-term. Most recent video with Gareth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp1\_T3hmogc

Deacon86

SPY pre-market is red. I wouldn't be so optimistic.

Horror_Aide4999

It really says something when SPY drops more than BTC.

bbasara007

Bro I make a killing day trading the SPY every day. The spy also out performed many individual stocks over the year as a long term investment.

Horror_Aide4999

I thought the same thing. To see SPY (not even tech stocks) to be down more than BTC is really something.

SlothRogen

SPY down 4%, oof. Well, the weekend is coming so I won't be surprised if people are worried.

Dreampopgazer

We have a massive supply-side issue / labour shortages, stock issues and an overheated economy due to heavy quantitative easing. As we are now at 40 year high inflation, central banks have no option but to go after demand in order to regain equilibrium with supply and control price rises. Demand reduction policy will have a result in making investing more expensive (higher borrowing costs due to increased interest rates) and reducing consumption (as disposable incomes are squeezed). At times like this it is always luxury items and non-essential assets that get hit. Hence traditional markets and crypto taking a big drop. The SPY and Nasdaq charts are very interesting, you can see the 2020-21 bubble caused by post-pandemic stimulus clearly on the charts. Even in good economic conditions, BTC normally drops to the 200week moving average during its bearish phase (currently $21k). Add in traditional markets collapsing amidst our current economic crises and I think we will see prices that no-one thought BTC would drop to again.

Bwizz6

SPY will sit at the table until it finishes its vegetables

happycloud8534

SPY is having a temper tantrum. You know what that means…

el_di_ess

Stock market is selling off again. NASDAQ and SPY down.

NarrowBike2259

+1 for BTC, I mostly use BTC as a benchmark (similar to the SPY) and BTC also performs a lot better than any altcoins And if you think that Eth has more upside, let’s look back to 2020-2021 (bottom to yearly close) when BTC went from 6k all the way to 29k while Eth went from $250 to $1000 to close the year. So you’re comparing a 5x from BTC compared to just a 4x from ETH

NarrowBike2259

Do Kwon is Done Kwon now but tbh 50% cash is a bit too excessive, its better if you lower that to 20%, and probably would want it to be a lot lower in times like this I think Kevin O Leary mentioning that he never lets a single industry go over 20% is pretty good advice, so you could also apply that to crypto (my only exception to this are ETH, BTC, BNB) and i also think everyone needs a bit of BTC in their portfolio since BTC is basically the benchmark for the crypto space (similar to the SPY for the stock market), and in times like these- BTC won’t bleed as hard as other coins, so you could use that as a hedge remember the saying, *be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful*, rn everyone is fearful and now seems like a good time to lower your cost basis is this financial advice? Nope, but it’s pretty much what I’m doing, and it works for me, but financial advice is different for everyone, so this might not work for you and according to TA, there’s still a chance we might put in a lower low to the 200 week SMA (currently at 21.8k), cuz if history is any indicator, we still have a lot of downside in a risky asset class like crypto. And worst case scenario we could even touch the 300week (16.1k) if a black swan event were to happen but another thing you could consider is that maybe we already bottomed at the 200week if you add in the M2 supply since there’s more money today than back in 2017 when we first hit 20k

meshreplacer

There should be zero regulations in crypto. If you want regulations you can open an SIPC/FDIC insured brokerage account and buy SPY which is SEC regulated. Crypto is the open free market, its a choice to trade crypto so why force regulations when already such a market exists.

delsombra

No, doubt it's Do Kwon selling at that particular moment (tho, he definitely is). If you look at the Nasdaq, SPY, or QQQ, all the charts are similar looking.

norwegianmorningw00d

My core holdings is SPY My cash flow holdings are the YLDs, JEPI, SCHD My growth holdings are QQQ, EEM (hedge actually), SMH, ICLN And the rest of my portfolio is small cap growth stocks

crimpeline

If you are using a platform which doesn't charge any fee to hold then index ETFs like QQQ (NASDAQ), SPY (S&P500) or DIA (DJ30) are far safer for long term HODL than any crypto, even BTC. Basically if you hold you are guaranteed to go green at some point. Obviously there is inflation and opportunity cost etc. But funds are safu.

makeways

Buy SPY ETF 6/3 CALL 445

TheMeta40k

Ok. A good starting place is stocks in the form of index funds like SPY and QQQ. Investing is a long term strategy. Then maybe read up on BTC and ETH and make your call from there. Anything smaller is a gamble by comparison but you may find things you like and believe will have more value in the future. Best of luck.

_Filip_

Picking an arbitrary point in time is not a good way to look at any strategy, because you are effectively justifying your timing of the market. You can pick ATH, i can pick a drop and now what? That is why you need to evaluate any strategy long term, and with DCA it is just not a good performer - it jhelps you 30% of time but you lose a lot more than 30% of potetntial return. btw, if you do the same on SPY for its entirity you sill get similar result, which is quite interesting in itself. The idea for that comparison was not that original. Dca is popular mostly with inexperienced investors be it in crypto or on stock markets. Also, redditors around here who claim they live by dca don’t even do it 99% of time - they buy regularly from paychecks and never have the lump sum to begin with, which changes the narrative a lot. Stacking sats is a great way to get in the market, but there is no decision of what to do with a stash of money - the exercise I linked don’t even consider your opportunity costs, inflation eating the money just sitting there etc, which would favor lump sum even further.

energetic-dad

Are you kidding? Look at the charts of SPY or any other index since 2009. Of course there have been dips but overall it absolutely has been a bull run since then. That's what I mean when I say the macroeconomic environment has been bullish since 2009, while the gov has kept rates low. Everyone was making money. Crypto has only ever existed in an environment of extremely low rates. We are about to find out what crypto looks like in a bearish market, with rising rates. I think it will surprise everyone

vwite

that's interesting to think about and that may be true for a lot of things, in the next 6-12 months we may see the lowest point between years 2022 and 2100 for some houses and stock indexes, for example even if SPY crashes extremely hard now, we may see $200s but we won't see in the 60s, the last ever time it was in the 60s was in 2009 and we'll never see that again

UnrulySasquatch1

Change your mindset. When the market is down it means your buying power is better. I don't mean be delusional and invest in Luna or something, but if you've done your research and believe in a stick/crypto and the only thing that changed is the price, then you are getting more for your money. Also, make sure your different accounts have different strategies. If you are under 50, just invest in SPY in your 401k. You'll be set if you do in the long run. Set it up and forget that account exists. Taking risk is for your other accounts

meshreplacer

Lets see 30 Million in hand now so you can buy a home and car then put the rest into TD etc.. and join SPY Theta gang and live like a king or keep holding for what? You don't think 30 something million is not enough? Jeez how much do you need to live comfortably?

meshreplacer

Lets see, Stay at home in moms basement waiting for moon. or sell now get 30 Million something bucks. Buy a house and a car, stick the rest into TD Ameritrade,Etrade etc and join SPY Theta Gang and live like a king for the rest of your life. ​ Choices choices what would you do? HODL or sell?

WestmontOG07

They won’t buy bitcoin, they’re better off buying etf index funds (VOO or SPY). Bitcoin, literally, mirrors the QQQ. It’s not special, it’s an investment tool for people to make or lose money on. If the market continues its downward trend, bitcoin is going to get smashed. I would be surprised if it goes all the way back down to $5,000. (Lol, remember when people people, moronically, that it was going to $100k by YE 2021?) Bottom line is that bitcoin, nor any of the other 12,000 coins are special. They’re worth something as long as a sucker is willing to pay more. It’s inconvenient to hear it but it’s the truth nonetheless. Buy etf index funds, it will serve you better long term.

lettercarrier86

I feel we still have quite a bit further to dip so I'm not buying anything. I'm new to crypto, I came in back in January. Got nice entries on a lot of projects. But when the economic uncertainty started last summer I sold everything late summer/early fall. Now we're back to last year's price or lower for some projects. So I'm glad with my decision to secure profits when I did. I absolutely believe in crypto long term, but that doesn't mean I have to diamond hand everything. No one ever went broke taking profits. I'm waiting to see what the state of the economy is in June and what the Fed says at the next FOMC meeting regarding rates and inflation. If it's slowing down then I'll consider buying in again. But if they are still struggling to get things under control and the war is still going on then the market uncertainty and downtrend will continue. Personally I can see SPY and the market going back to pre-pandemic levels before reversing to the upside. It's just my guess, if there are signs of a reversal before that I'll slowly start scaling back into things.

tuxedo_moon

Price isn't going up for now. But DCA'ing isn't all bad. I'd prob say you should've talked to an advisOr first before dropping 10k into bitcoin... Why? Because in your case, it seems like it's more than you can afford to lose. If you had done basic some due diligence, you would've seen that bitcoin is still outperforming the SPY by 33000000% since being tracked around 2010. [https://imgur.com/a/gmvFfnW](https://imgur.com/a/gmvFfnW) (chart for proof) There's going to be some profit taking but the only thing that can reassure you is your own risk tolerance. The % mean nothing if you think bitcoin is an asset that can never go down.

Arctinius

You’re missing my point. Bitcoin is immensely more volatile. In 2021, bitcoin had a realized annualized volatility of 87%. For comparison, SPY was 13%, QQQ was 18.2%, and to make your growth comparison fair, VUG was 17.2% and VBK was 20.8%. It’s clear that these investments are in entirely separate leagues or risk from bitcoin. It’s equally misleading to say that tons of money that can’t afford to be lost is equally bad if it’s in stocks or crypto. Over the past 4 months (starting January 13th) Bitcoin lost 31.07% of its value. For comparison, VUG is down 20.9% and VBK is down 19.8%. Not only is your point about growth investors being down more misleading, but it’s factually incorrect too. The only world in which you’re correct is if you’re cherry-picking individual growth stocks and claiming that’s somehow equivalent to “growth stocks.” Investing in cryptocurrency is far, far riskier. Nobody should invest money they can’t afford to lose, but it’s pretty clear which is the lesser of two evils.

Arctinius

You’re missing my point. Bitcoin is immensely more volatile. In 2021, bitcoin had a realized annual volatility of 87%. For comparison, SPY was 13%, QQQ was 18.2%, and to make your tech comparison fair, VBK, Vanguard small cap growth was 20.8%. It’s fact that these investments are in entirely separate leagues or risk. It’s equally misleading to say that tons of money that can’t afford to be lost is equally bad if it’s in stocks or crypto. Over the past 4 months (starting January 13th) Bitcoin lost 31.07% of its value. For comparison, VBK is down 19.8% and VUG is down 20.9%. Not only is your point about tech investors being down more misleading, but it’s factually incorrect too. The only world in which you’re correct is if you’re cherry-picking individual growth stocks and claiming that’s somehow equivalent to “growth stocks.” Investing in cryptocurrency is far, far riskier. Nobody should invest money they can’t afford to lose, but it’s pretty clear which is the lesser of two evils.

FabricationLife

*laughs in SPY puts

Kherring3

Yes, but who invests strictly in the Dow Jones? What are the comparisons with SPY?

LimpingWhale

Just buy FB, Tesla, SPY or literally anything else. Stay away from options. Stay away from crypto. Crypto is a scam. Drop the price slowly while you sell. Buy back large quantities to spike the price, repeat. It’s roughly 1.5-3 year cycle.

Delta3Angle

Set predetermined targets and immediately move your profits into less volatile assets. I ran a crypto mining business for a while and I would sell every coin I mined and put it into SPY. When the bear market came I was solidly in the green and I could pull out crazy amounts of portfolio margin against my holdings.

DrJingleCock69

Buy the dip once the fundamental economic recession and interest rate cycle plays out. Like obviously this isn't the same as pandemic dip where macro economic factors and low rates mean market could pump back up. Any short term bounce will have no bull run to it tet until we get through the macro economic factors. I plan on loading up on btc/eth once rates seem to stabilize and inflation and gdp numbers look good, probably DCA in more when SPY hits 370 put 25% in them gradual every month.

MapVaLun_Capital

Because if this is the case it wouldn't go down when inflation goes up YoY. If you're talking about long term horizon then you're talking about a retirement investment like SPY. Would you say SPY is a protection against inflation? No of course not. So why would you say Bitcoin is a protection against inflation?

Awhodothey

Within 10% of SPY and a lot better than the Russell 2000 over the last five years. Yeah she's failed this year, but they killed hard before that so they still got a good record

AmbitiousNose9035

BTC is going to rally today once SPY turns green and stays green

TRexCantReach

I'm not talking about just coins with diversification. My advice is to look at other investment vehicles as well as crypto, and pick a few options of what you think will be winners in a few markets. For example - I currently hold BTC, ETH, ADA, ONE, and ALGO stacks in crypto, a mix of time proven tech, energy, SPY, and a few dividend blue chips in stocks, property, some small direct startup business investments, and then my 'play' money for my gambles on pennies and/or random shitcoins. Is my portfolio the best? No, but I'm not hurting nealry as bad as some of my buds who went all in on things like GME, Netflix, or LUNA and came out well in the green with profit taking last year (tax season suuuuucked). I strongly believe crypto has a valuable place in tech and our future, but I'd still strongly advise against putting ALL of your finances in crypto. Diversification is damage control and a means to maintain some portfolio strength if any one item tanks 99% or am entire sector shits the bed. If everything is down, then just recognize it as an accumulation period and exercise patience - you never should be investing more than you can afford to live without.

Rebubula_

20k floor unless something big happens like Russia doing some bs or SPY tanks like 20% more. Both aren’t that unlikely though…

fasulo_

People buy and hold the Nasdaq. Traders also trade SPY. It’s correlated to tech because big forms have Bitcoin on the tech desk

soccerguy510

I’ll be fine if it just consolidates around $20k for a few months. However, if SPY keeps downward trend and we keep pushing the “recession” boundary, i think sub $15k is extremely likely

TheBigShrimp

How? BTC down over 50% from ATH, SPY isn't even close to that lol

Floknar

S and P has lots of energy companies in it and those have been ripping, but it's still down 18 percent in 5 months. If SPY was down 80% there would be riots on the streets.

Stolenbikeguy

Why is everyone freaking out? Imagine what the NASDAQ and SPY are going to look like in 4 weeks will make this morning look like a paper cut

coinmarshal

What is SPY?

Pray4Buzz

US Stock Market’s Bitcoin ETFs are already down -3% with only 10 minutes in the Pre-Market should strongly indicate that the $SPY pump is misleading the Bulls, and Bitcoin ETFs are usually a solid predictive indicator.

Stinkpretzel

5 minute warning until $SPY chaos

Pray4Buzz

$SPY Pre-Market Drop in 15 Minutes

soccerguy510

“It’ll go back up. UST is just taking the market with it.” No - have you not seen the state of global economics? Check US stock market. Remember also when New’s Agencies and “Top Financial Analysts” were saying to “Buy now! Great entry point!” The SPY has tanked since then and so has crypto.

Re_LE_Vant_UN

2) is just blatantly wrong. Anyone can pull up tradingview, pull up the correlation coefficient indicator, **BTCUSD/SPY** and see that they are heavily correlated. Takes 1 Minute. They are pulling some number fudging there to make it look different. Why use a rolling 60 day? Regardless of the actual numbers, either way, that chart shows it's becoming more correlated as time goes on, which is what the actual fact of the matter is.

IRefuseToGiveAName

Considering SPY is printing fresh yearly lows, I don't think crypto is holding up too bad. For now anyway.

01infinite

Yep. And inflation adjusted technicals indicate SPY could sink to around 360 before it flattens out. DCA if you can but don’t go all in for a few months at least.

throwra76571836

SPY is down another .5% after hours... this is not over yet

Storkllama

I mean, one of my python class projects was running correlations between BTC ETH GLD and SPY. It wasn’t a huge correlation between SPY and the cryptos. It was positive, but minimally, under .2 There was a cross of the moving averages of gold and spy that seemed to be a bit of a leading indicator to BTC.

FINALAVENUE

We’ve got a long way to go. SPY is what 15-20% down from ATH?

Grunblau

SPY forming the very front lip of the cup and handle…

fracebook

Putting money in Bitcoin is not a good way to start an investment portfolio. Invest in SPY ETF young man. This is the perfect time to do it.

65-76-69-88

I don't understand people acting like the market "crashed". SPY is down, what, 3% today? Only 15% YTD, which is nothing considering it was up 30% last year? And BTC is down to... what it was 6 months ago? Why the fuck is everyone freaking out lol

Consistent_Bat4586

Is there a website where I can see charts of crypto compared to charts of stock or stock indexes? Looking to compare ALGO BTC SPY AMZN and NFLX on 6 month and 5 yr timeline

brobits

if you think they're going to market dump it and their wallet's market cap will significantly move the needle compared to institutional swings which have pegged BTC to $SPY for the past few weeks, sure. sell now. an awfully big risk if you're bullish on crypto long term though

tightcall

That was the confirmation of a bear market/crash for SPY during previous events in the past.

onenifty

Not even close. The suicide hotline isn't pinned to the sub yet. We're just getting started, man. Once SPY breaks through 400 we're in for some real pain.

Kaoztrophe

Never been in the green either. Got in around the same time as you stated. Even my long term stuff (like SPY) is vastly red. Seems like I add money whenever there's a dip and, behold, a new dip emerges. Disheartening..

GrossOldNose

But it's pretty unlikely to not sell off more given that the SPY and NDX are looking so scary.

IRefuseToGiveAName

Considering the SPY just hit a 52-week low, things aren't too bad tbh.

WobblySith

if SPY falls through $400 the next strong support is basically pre-covid levels

PumpProphet

Small movements sure. But the overall trend is decided by the macroeconomic movements of the traditional stock market. BTC has been heavily correlated with spy and Nasdaq in relative terms for the past 2-3 years. Any big movements up or down BTC is to follow. There are already millions of trading algos that buys and sell BTC depending on the movement of SPY.

Tell-Honest

I think youre right and wrong. A lot of people don’t give a shit about the tech. But the “get rich quick” part is wrong. If you’re building positions slowly through DCA in “blue chip” BTC/ETH you’re not trying to get rich quick. It’s the crypto equivalent of buying SPY on a crash. We’re looking to make gains but I know I’m not going to 100x here.

Re_LE_Vant_UN

Depends on when you bought in. If you believe both are going back to their all time high then the upside is 100% gain compared to ~18% on SPY. I'll take the 100%.

throwra76571836

If you think this is bad, just wait until SPY falls back into the 300s this week... we are only getting started.

H3artbr0k3nkid

Doubt many will see this, but DCA, buying the the dip, and time in the market > timing the market also takes into account a huge part that people don’t state… the asset Buying the dip/DCA on SPY, BTC, ETH, any “large” asset *usually* works in the long run. Do not get it confused with buying the dip/DCA on a “shit coin” and even most altcoins. There tends to be a *new* altcoin that’s *hot* (or that gets dethroned) after every bear/bull market. Maybe it’ll be LRC, CRO, or whatever, but my point is this strategy (DCA/BTFD) isn’t the greatest strategy for “small caps” because plenty of them will *disappear* and plenty of new ones will *appear*.

JustinMS3

Have to use SPY Dow Jones and nasdaq to compare

Casino_Insider

To explain it more, let's say every paycheck you invest 50$ in $SPY no matter the market fluctuations, that's DCA. You can even do it automatically with most brokers.

New-Difference9684

1. Series i bonds 2. SPY and BRK.B 3. Real property 4. Franchise or small business that is a diversified portfolio which over time will outperform one can make good or bad choices so the given here is one makes good choices wrt properties and businesses.

Careless_Rise8624

Ever since 2017-2018. It still more or less follow the macronomic trend of traditional stock market. Every major moves SPY does BTC is for sure to follow. It’s simply more volatile.

nick83487

Even index funds like SPY have been seeing pretty volatile swings in price throughout the day. The stock market is the new crypto in volatility.

UhhhmWut

Great way to visualize this is on TradingView: Search “BTC/QQQ” or “BTC/SPY” or “BTC/M2SL” or “BTC/GOLD” to see BTC adjusted for or valued against the Nasdaq, S&P, Money Supply, or Gold. BTC/TESLA is interesting as well. Many other combinations can be interesting and of value. You will see how well BTC has performed recently relative to equities! It’s actually quite impressive.