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Is there any coin that is pegged or follows SPY (stock market)?
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Proof that $SPY and $NASDAQ will crash and #bitcoin will decouple and moon! https://youtu.be/pyoGTsWBJfU?si=Nn0PqS7aOTl6SHCI
Using Logarithmic Charts to Prophesize Bitcoin's Price is Ridiculous
Looking for something to yolo some money in
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[SERIOUS] Michael Burry, who Predicted the 2008 Financial Crisis, has Just Shorted the Market with $1.6 Billion. He Bought $890 million of SPY Puts and $740 million of QQQ Puts. This Now Makes up 93% of his Entire Portfolio. The Big Short 2.0?
ETFs are in the ring, but Bitcoin's the undisputed king: Buy and Hold.
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I Watched +300 Bitboy Videos Totalling +46H and Here's My Analysis
FACT CHECK: Biden's closing of the crypto wash trading loophole that was ALREADY closed for stocks back in 2008 can actually reduce taxes in many instances
Why is there no crypto:stock:CPI trackers/info?
Likely this next fed meeting will be the last basis points raise, a bullish sentiment for markets everywhere
Pretty cool study shows women and people of color prefer investing in crypto over stocks
Expectations For 0.5% Interest Rate Hike Vanish Ahead Of Critical CPI Data Expected To Shape Fed Decision - SPDR S&P 500 (ARCA:SPY)
Are we finally seeing a divergence between crypto and tech stocks?
Perspective - if Bitcoin averages only 55K USD in 2028 then the average rate of return of BTC purchased during this rally is double the annualised historical returns of the S&P
Bitcoin up 50% from bear market low outperforming SPY, Gold
Bitcoin up 50% from bear market low outperforming SPY, Gold
Are you more bullish on Ethereum or the alt coins that use it?
We will look back on 2022 as the year crypto currencies became a traditional market.
What just happened? CPI release ( 7.1% ) and the chart
DCA and investing during bear markets: should we increase our DCA amount?
the FTX aftermath - a realistic perspective
Guy breaks down SPY and updates on news Between Binance & FTX. Also CPI will be critical tomorrow
Crypto Bottom is in, Why I’m looking for $130,000 Bitcoin by July 2025
Tell me your exact Cash Out plans!
Anyone believe Shorts covering? SPY jumped big today and he mentioned it could be a short term squeeze happening going into this week. Thoughts because Bitcoin moved up strong today as well almost reclaiming $20,000
Dismantling An Absolutely Atrocious Forbes Anti-Crypto Article
Bitcoin SPY Hit Down RMLR Targets PERFECTLY! Trading VEPS Predicts Next Move Up ... Again!
Update on correlation of crypto market and US stock market.
A look at BTC vs some of the hottest stocks since the march 2020 bottom.
DD - Did ETFs kill Bitcoin (and all of crypto)???
Diversity is Key. Here's a list of things you can invest out of Crypto.
Reverse Rug Pull- Higher than Expected Inflation Leads to Market Rally
Market Red Pill - Why Fundamentals and Technical Indicators Don't Matter
New Investors Should Not Invest in Crypto and You Shouldn’t Recommend It
The Anatomy of a Trend - Why Nobody Ever Nails the Absolute Top or Bottom
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Need Hep/Advice - Is There A Broker/Platform That Has Crypto Trading/Wallets and Seamlessly Integrated Traditional Trading/Investments (Stocks, ETFs, Options)?
What is creating this big sell pressure this last days? Why MARA and COIN are up but BTC down? Feels like a coordinated attack trying to liquidate leveraged longs.
What is creating this big sell pressure this last days? Why MARA and COIN are up but BTC down? Feels like a coordinated attack trying to liquidate leveraged longs.
Lost Bitcoin recovered to cryptocurrency through the help of GHOST CHAMPION WIZARD
One of the main counterpoints to crypto is that it’s too volatile of an asset class for Main Street. Are there any easy to use projects that allocate say 1% of a BTC/ETH portfolio towards laddered BTC/ETH put leaps?
Just a heads-up that Poland's currency lost 13.8% of value in the span of two weeks since Russia invaded Ukraine 📉🔻
Technical Analysis - February 20, 2022
I originally bought crypto as a hedge to the market, but now all crypto does is follow the market
Whipsaw in crypto markets following latest CPI measure indicating inflation at 7.5%
ADA, the buy of the century or the frontrunner of the bear market collapse
Should i pay all mortgage or invest in the S&P 500?
Prominent Companies/People and Sponsorships in Crypto
List of Companies / Prominent people and Sponsorships in Crypto
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Bitcoin is up 162% in the past year. SPY is up 23% in the same period.
A Comprehensive Technical Analysis of the Economy and the Stock Market
SpyWolf.co Token ($SPY) | Audits, KYC, Launch Consulting and Trust Certificates as NFTs. Anti-Scam Portal, the SpyWolf Network, will be released this Friday, December, 3rd.
What Day Trading Strategies Work for Crypto?
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160k to invest SOL, ETH, BITCOIN, CRO?
My opinion on DCIP (Decentralized Community Investment Protocol)
Why im extremely BEARISH about the crypto market in 2022 but still BULLISH on LRC
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Elon may buy around $25 billion worth of Bitcoin with his personal money. Here's how he may be setting this up...
Elon may buy around $25 billion worth of Bitcoin with his personal money. Here's how he may be setting this up...
MVI - the SPY index of the METAVERSE
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BTC year to date is lower than SPY. Loll
Bitcoin can still easily dump below $100k, SPY is literally even with the price it was 1 month ago.. It has room to drop, which in turn will cause bitcoin to drop even further. Do I want this to happen? No, not at all.. Do I think it will happen? Probably not, especially with another rate cut due coming soon and more quantitative easing.. But everyone thinks quantitative easing and rate cuts are going to bring easy money.. Just like everyone thought this would be "Uptober".. So the bottom line is that it can go up, but it can go do. Thank you for coming to my ted talk.
I'm shocked. I played this cycle very conservative. Most in BTC, none in Eth, small percent in alts, auto sell at $138K, closely watching any signals. Nothing could have prepared me for the crazy non upwards volitility , fake early alt season , earlyish top in Jan, crash in April then back up to weakly double top at 125 without triggering any indicators. And don't even mention Eth which is still below 2021 peak. And that scam plunge on alts last week and general manipulation. Oh and BTC 1 yr? Similar to SPY on my 401K. Plus the recent flight to safety in gold vs btc. It's going to take years for my disillusionment to fade if ever.
I bought $500 of gold a little before it went crazy because why not, honestly I may just stick to BTC, Gold and QQQ/SPY
That’s a common misconception as well. LETFs that are below the “efficient frontier” of leverage are meant to be held long term, not day-traded. I myself have been holding my positions for over half a year now, mostly all LETFs. The efficient frontier for something like SPY is 3x. For QQQ it is 2x. For BTC, it is 1.2-1.4x. The higher the volatility, the lower the leverage is considered efficient for long term holding. Yes this means BITX is above the efficient frontier so you should hold for too long, but you’ll still make tons of money in a bull run holding for months at a time like I did.
even weirder, my grandmother in government told me to liquidate my net worth and go all in on SPY puts
Yup. SPY +5%. Btc -25%. As is tradition.
With how many people in here chase Alts & Memes in lieu of BTC, you could probably count on one hand the number of people who would responsibly just invest long-term in SPY/QQQ shares in here. Plenty of FOMO/meme stocks out there to lure gamblers in too.
Aug 2011 if you look at SPY performance in Gold https://www.macrotrends.net/1437/sp500-to-gold-ratio-chart
The fact that spy is +36% off the bottom of original tariff announcement just goes to show how debased this entire market is. I don't see why SPY wouldn't revisit those levels now that the big boys have gotten their chance to unload on retail and enter their short positions.
After all long leverage was liquidated successfully last friday, it's time for alt season :) watch the charts. I never seen that pattern. SPY up, BTC stable, Alts Up... Very weird.
I mean he has a point. If you just invested in SPY, VGT, or gold this year you are doing better. But also gold has never doubled in one year so 🤷♂️
I mean VGS of course, since it's tech/AI, but SPY has been equaled this year by the much safer XAD1 (or similar physical gold ones) and far surpassed by GDXJ (or others based on gold mining). The problem with AI is it will hit a wall of electrical power availability (demand far outpacing the physical development of power generation facilities), maybe even this winter as household demand for heating surges and power companies could have to cut off the data centers to keep the homes powered. Then you'd see a pretty deep correction as investors wake up to the realities of how fast AI can really develop under power availability constraints. If you can get ahead of that the optimal play might be to rotate into power infrastructure ETFs (or one could start to take positions in there already, I haven't decided yet for myself), since that will need massive furious development to stop being a bottleneck for AI.
VAS/VGS/SPY have done great for me
...The general S&P/SPY index is nowhere *close* to averaging +100% every 4 years, jesus christ lmao. And you can suspect all you want about what Retail will do over a decade from now. The only way Retail won't be nearly as involved in 10+ years will be due to governments/institutions/whales controlling the unbelievably-vast majority of it... and amongst themselves, it will still remain in high demand.
I suspect retail will have left well before 2037 at that rate. And then anyone with $$$ would have to justify their own use case other than extracting retails money. SPY basically paces at 2x every 4 years as well and is far less volatile and liquid.
Gamble other peoples money you get the end of the barrel. Especially when gambling money that belongs to GUR and other top dogs. Play with fire get burned. he should have just stuck the 10M in SPY.
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If you need to do a video talking about this and post it online, it's because part of what you know is that you know that other people need to know ... BTC is like religion, it only works if people believe and keep pouring money in ... It's not like the volatility is just because BTC is pure speculation. Behind SPY you have 500 productive business. Behind each stock you have someone producing something. And behind BTC you have people like this. Don't get me wrong, I love the BTC concept.
I would totally believe that this was insider, but curious to know how unusual this really is? Looked at the btc chart and while yesterday did have a very big move, it doesn't stand out like it does on SPY chart, for example. Is a multi-million dollar short that rare or is it plausible that this was just someone getting lucky on timing?
Malding about zero earnings/revenue while being in BTC is kinda ironic, don't you think? First of all, learn about risk- and volatility-adjusted returns. Not your absolute % nonsense not applicable in Wall St world (the one that hijacked your favourite coin). Now, learn math behind those calculations. Let's see, you're comparing asset (BTC) to index (SPY), so it's uninformed at best, and most likely disingenuous (just like Saylor's 60% CAGR when in reality it's been 10% since 2021). Given that BTC is not a part of S&P, choosing it as benchmark will always put you in a good spot. But somebody else could point to, eg GREK or EPOL which outperformed BTC 2x this year. It also would be disingenuous. To each his own. Now, be honest and compare BTC to NVDA (leader to leader), or gold (SoV vs wannabe SoV), or to silver (similar market cap). Or compare it to vol-related stocks and their returns (implied vol, realized vol flatlined since April). Not to mention, you're probably operating using USD, look at BTC price action in stable currencies like CHF (or even EUR). It's abysmal. And don't talk about "longer time horizon" because the game has changed in November 2024 when IBIT options launched. That's the new era - era of "shitty" returns for BTC. Your narrative falls apart the moment you look at the data behind your favourite KOL's talking points. I'm done. Have a nice day :)
In other news some placed a 12.5M put order for on $SPY at $520 11/28 exp at a cost basis of 0.60 now trading at 1.27 (close) was as high as 1.31 and the 201,000 call interest is still open. Not a bad way to make 12.5M in 1 day.
BTC is its own class of a long-term store of value, but there's a reason gold has 13x the Mcap and is still globally accepted as such. It's got a precedence that dates back as far as the history of recorded civilization for being such lol. And BTC is doing more than fine on every single metric compared to the general stock indexes/ETF's like QQQ or SPY. "One of the worst-performing assets in the world" is just a label you give while hoping nobody *actually* looks at the charts to disprove it. From the tariff-lows of April, BTC is *still* up 50% even after what happened yesterday, and was as high as 65% just days prior. Sure you can pick & choose some stocks that have done better... but BTC is has still performed better than the S&P, SPY, QQQ, or Nasdaq. It's more volatile, so the drops are more noticeable... but it has stronger periods of recovery and success to make up for that, which go completely unrecognized.
Great discount. I bought a bunch of SPY and NDAQ yesterday too.
Put it into stock indices SPY QQQ of the sort. BTC ETH is TOO volatile, everyone on leverage got liquidated (its an unregulated market for a reason). Look at XRP, EVERYONE got liquidated within 1 min. Its a scam dude open your eyes, move onto stock indices and start over.
When the second tweet came out in after-market, SPY (The big S&P tracker basically) Dropped about 1% more in aftermarket trading, before almost completely recovering to its daily-close value from earlier. This weekend will probably be a little bleak for Crypto, but Stocks didn't hold nearly as rough a reaction to the second news development. BTC at market-close was still around 117k with ETH at ~4k. Just hang tight, keep your ears open for any news / relations / negotiations this weekend, and buy the dip if you're bold enough. We may get a decent reversal come Monday.
By "compared to other assets", you mean picking and choosing which stocks to compare BTC against on specific timeframes? BTC is practically the "index of crypto" at this point considering its dominance, and an aft comparison is against either SPY/QQQ or the Nasdaq. And I'm assuming you mean Trump taking a sledgehammer to Chinese export/trade markets during stock aftermarket hours, where only our 24/7 market is open to freak out about how bad his announcement was lol. No worries, SPY was open in aftermarket trading and also took a gigantic shit.
All great questions. We are very pretty vanilla, we have 2 holdings on the stock side SPY and QQQ. 3 assets total including BTC. We were all very much inspired by the FIRE movement so keeping investment simple made sense for us. We buy x amount every month. Plan is to not sell any BTC at all ever (willing to transact in sats if needed). Its also under a LLC so we each report it. Decision to sell, how we would sell, etc all written in an operating agreement we have. For example, we all have to agree to sell an asset if we head that direction.
Actual reality: - Gold 5year: 100% - SPY 5 year: 94% - QQQ 5 year: 113% - Bitcoin 5 year: 1058% Gold can have its +2% day.
Nice SPY recovery today… crypto, what’s that?
This might be the most reliable "buy and forget" strategy for a 30-year horizon. SPY was created 32 years ago - if you bought it in 1993 and woke up today, you could still sell it.
Congrats man. I went through basic years ago. If I were in your boots today (and this is not financial advice) I'd put around $5,000 in BTC. Why not more? We're currently at/near all-time-highs, and I still think the 4 year cycle is going to play out, although probably extended. If it does, that means a bear market is coming when you'll have plenty of time to buy at lower prices. If trends continue, the bear market will start in the 1st or 2nd quarter of 2026...plenty of time. But anything could happen, so I'd at least get some BTC now. For the rest of the money, I would put some or all USDC at Coinbase and let it earn 4.1%. That's if I was paranoid about the stock market, which right now I'm not. Whatever I didn't put in USDC @ Coinbase I'd put in the SPY index fund (tracks the S&P 500) which is doing well right now and doesn't seem to be close to a downtrend. But anything could happen. I have computer and accounting degrees and they never taught us how to manage personal money. So, I recommend Dave Ramsey's baby steps...just google that. I don't agree w his credit card ideas but for some people it's the correct advice. Just the fact that you're asking where to put your money is a good sign. Best of luck!
SPY would like a word with you
You need to just put that money in a high yield savings account and dollar cost average into bitcoin and SPY. You don’t have the stomach for a lump some investment with a post like this
I love Bitcoin so don't get me wrong but #1 rule is don't invest in anything you don't know. Here is my real suggestion follow the buffett rule 90-10 to $SPY/index funds and 10% government bonds
You should consider diversifying. Look at VOO or SPY or maybe some dividend stocks. It might ease your worry to not have all your eggs in one basket.
Sure. But I’d wager BTC will outperform SPY and QQQ from here through end of this year.
yeah I have discretionary capital I can afford to lose, its just DCAing into the SPY/QQQ seems better right now
Next stop $150k, then $200k straight after. It's almost too easy at this point. Just buy and hold through any dip, because it's guaranteed it will make a new high sooner or later. It's been like that for the past 20 years. Just look at SPY all-time chart. It's the same with BTC. Buy at any point, hold through any dip, cash out once you're sufficiently happy with the gains. It's the infinite money glitch.
*If you are lucky enough to be an investor who has access investments in the capital markets in the U.S, you really should diversify.* There are a lot of people in developing and 3rd world countries who don't have access this type of market that are relatively efficient, high growth, free of corruption and manipulation and BTC may be the only option for them. Use February 2021 as a starting point when BTC reached $1 Trillion marketcap as a global asset and not 2018, 2013 or 2010 when BTC was either a relatively small or tiny asset giving you some outrageous CAGR which cannot be repeated by a multi-trillion marketcap asset. From there BTC performance is still impressive but it's more in line with other traditional assets. It's actually very impressive that despite the huge appreciation in gold with central banks buying thousands of metric tons of it in the last few years and the AI narrative and CapEX spending in the stock market, BTC is still a top performer among these assets in the last ~5 years from when it reached a $1 Trillion marketcap. I throw individual stocks in the comparison because people inevitably scream NVDA today like they screamed TSLA in 2020. Outpeformance of various asset classes, individual stocks and even BTC wanes and waxes and nothing is guaranteed so diversification is key. BTC has been a great diversifier even after reaching a monstrous $1 Trillion marketcap. *Annualized from 02/19/2021 when BTC reached $1 Trillion Marketcap* | Asset | From Date | CAGR | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | NVDA | 02/19/2021| 75.1% | META | 02/19/2021| 24.28% | MSFT | 02/19/2021| 18.06% | GOLD | 02/19/2021| 17.87% | BTC | 02/19/2021| 17.20% | AAPL | 02/19/2021| 16.18% | QQQ | 02/19/2021| 13.65% | SPY | 02/19/2021| 12.38% | GOOGL | 02/19/2021| 11.57% | TSLA | 02/19/2021| 11.44% | AMZN | 02/19/2021| 6.74%
Your going to get a bunch of pro Bitcoin responses in the Bitcoin sub. This thread was recommended in my feed and I'm not subbed to Bitcoin. I'm not pro Bitcoin. I will say this, investing is believing it'll still go up even though it's at a all time high. SPY, NVDA, etc keeps shattering their ath walls. I didn't believe in BTC when it was $60k this time last year. I underestimated how far a pro Bitcoin president would take things. Things are different then they were 12 months ago because there's a lot more support. I still don't believe in it personally for the long-term but it seems like a more solid investment then 12 months ago. If your a investor, go for it. If your a trader maybe wait and hope for another drop.
> /s for the MAGA maybe you should take a look at the SPY, lefty
The cause of “uptober” is quite simple: it is the beginning of Q4,and if markets have done well during the year, this forces sidelined tradfi capital into the market, needing to keep up with competitors and their own benchmarks. This is not just a simple matter of fomo, it is a necessity to keep up with your benchmarks and competitors, or you will lose AUM or even your job. BTC is a great vehicle for this, due to its high volatility, returns and liquidity. Not much can substitute for it in this regard. This is especially true if SPY and GOLD are up a lot on the year; it’s only natural to begin eyeing BTC as a way to catch up. Conditions going into the end of this year could not be more perfect for a textbook performance chase, as many were shaken out by the tariff tantrum and either underperformed or some still (esp liberals and moderates) sidelined entirely. Many of the traditional crypto specific seasonality effects are fading in relevance with a fundamentally different set of participants driving the market post ETFs. But the drivers of the Q4 performance chase have become more relevant, if anything. Credits: [https://x.com/grimacexbt/status/1973741517039878343](https://x.com/grimacexbt/status/1973741517039878343)
Here is what I found today on X by @grimacexbt an excellent account to follow “Why is October often so bullish? The cause of “uptober” is quite simple: it is the beginning of Q4,and if markets have done well during the year, this forces sidelined tradfi capital into the market, needing to keep up with competitors and their own benchmarks. This is not just a simple matter of fomo, it is a necessity to keep up with your benchmarks and competitors, or you will lose AUM or even your job. BTC is a great vehicle for this, due to its high volatility, returns and liquidity. Not much can substitute for it in this regard. This is especially true if SPY and GOLD are up a lot on the year; it’s only natural to begin eyeing BTC as a way to catch up. Conditions going into the end of this year could not be more perfect for a textbook performance chase, as many were shaken out by the tariff tantrum and either underperformed or some still (esp liberals and moderates) sidelined entirely. Many of the traditional crypto specific seasonality effects are fading in relevance with a fundamentally different set of participants driving the market post ETFs. But the drivers of the Q4 performance chase have become more relevant, if anything.”
If you can only double up once in 15 years then you suck. Just picking SPY with drip would result in a 4-5x in 15 years on top of your contributions as well.
It's more than just psychology though. Could see SPY retrace as it's had a huge run, I could see that having an effect. I think we're macro bullish though.
Dude lol... Tesla stock would be $6,606 right now without the stock splits. So you're criticizing her for being right about Tesla share price... You cherry pick stuff so I'll cherry pick something too ARKW is up 938% total return vs SPY 306.59% total return since ARKW inception. Something you need to realize is every fund manager, analyst, research company will be wrong many times about lots of stocks. By your logic you wouldn't listen to any of them. It's statistically impossible for anyone to be right all the time and never make bad predictions. Michael Burry who nailed the housing crash has been wrong dozens of times and loses money on stocks. But people worship anythecsays because he got famous for 1 big trade.
Im talking short term. Since the 22nd the SPY has temporarily rolled over - which coincided with the rather violent recent flush we've had on crypto.. Gold is on another level.
If anyone says anything other than DCA (even for lump sum amounts that could otherwise sit in money market accounts or SPY ETF while you DCA) they are not offering sound financial advice for the average person. But to be fair, you're asking for financial advice on the Internet, go talk to a financial advisor and take their advice seriously. Tell them you are committed to some form of BTC ownership but give them your age and they'll help you for planning for more than any sort of get rich quick plans you might think you're getting into with BTC.
the Alt season already happened a while back with the AI coins exploding it was a quick short Alt season I think right now theres been some recent alt coin action but with BTC selling down so hard its created another consolidation period the last year or two has more felt like a winter but with no proper bear.... I think with the Nasdq and the SPY so inflated the alt coins might crash tbh
Exchange what? Texit? I wasn't referring to that btw. That's one of the sh*t tokens that only takes 5 seconds to know you should avoid. No one is using that or will ever use it. Use defilama to determine what people actually use if you are new. Then spend the next few months purely just researching BTC, SOL, ETH, HYPE, SUI. Learn the fundamentals of the majors. Then you'll quickly know how to weed out the garbage. Remember, everything in the world is becoming a token. Nvidia, SpaceX, SPY now all tokens. Need to know what you own if you own a token. Tokens are just representation of ownership over something else. Is that something else worth holding? Outside of tokens there are L1 coins. There's only around 3-4 L1s that actually still matter outside Bitcoin. Bitcoin is the only L1 that doesn't need revenue. Everything else is revenue or bust. Texit appears to be some L1 coin cash grab if I'm looking at right site. A trash fork. Pure garbage. As for lending on major defi lending platforms, all borrowing is fully collateralized. Not sure what you were asking about that.
5% growth per year and you are looking at around $450K a coin. i find that definitely doable. last 5 years SPY has gone up 20% per year. bitcoin @ 15% per year = $5.5M per coin. food for thought.
> Another challenge with a fixed release model like Bitcoin is that latecomers will feel gypped > Why would someone get involved arbitrarily at a later stage simply because they were younger You just described every single investment. Why would someone buy SPY today when it was 10% of it's current price 30 years ago? Why would someone buy gold today when it's 2.5x what it was 10 years ago? Why would someone buy a home today when it was so much cheaper 40 years ago?
It's absolutely disingenuous to talk about global liquidity and outpeformance then to use the starting point of 2015 when BTC was a tiny $4 Billion marketcap asset that was almost at penny stock levels and had zero impact from global liquidity. Use February 2021 as a starting point when BTC reached $1 Trillion marketcap as a global asset. From there BTC performance is still impressive but it's more in line with other traditional assets. *Annualized from 02/19/2021 when BTC reached $1 Trillion Marketcap* | Asset | From Date | CAGR | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | NVDA | 02/19/2021| 73.92% | META | 02/19/2021| 26.11% | MSFT | 02/19/2021| 17.78% | GOLD | 02/19/2021| 17.18% | AAPL | 02/19/2021| 15.89% | BTC | 02/19/2021| 15.37% | QQQ | 02/19/2021| 13.74% | SPY | 02/19/2021| 12.24% | TSLA | 02/19/2021| 11.29% | GOOGL | 02/19/2021| 11.22% | AMZN | 02/19/2021| 6.89% At around ~$1 Trillion range, an asset has reached megacap status and you need significant fundamentals and/or narrative to attract real money for continued appreciation -- the returns become muted. I mean look at ETH, it is returning negative since it reached a 1/2 Trillion marketcap 4 years ago. *Annualized Return of Assets after they reached $1 Trillion Marketcap (including 1/2 Trillion Marketcap ETH)* | Asset | 1T Mktcap. | CAGR | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | GOLD | 5/21/1979| 5.96% | AAPL | 8/2/2018| 24.85% | AMZN | 9/4/2018| 12.15% | MSFT | 4/2/2019| 24.75% | GOOGL | 1/16/2020| 24.25% | BTC | 2/29/2021| 15.37% | NVDA | 5/30/2023| 106.73% | META | 01/24/2024| 9.97% | TSLA | 11/08/2024| 5.06% | **Asset** | **1/2 T Mktcap.** | **CAGR** | | ETH | 10/28/2021| -5.14% Even after reaching ~$100 Billion marketcap range, besides BTC crypto assets returns are much more muted or negative. *Annualized Return of Assets after they reached $100 Billion Marketcap* | Asset | From Date | CAGR | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | BTC | 10/30/2017| 50.08% | ETH | 01/06/2018| 19.67% | XRP | 01/03/2018| -1.17% | BNB | 11/05/2021| 14.04% | SOL | 11/11/2024| -5.17%
You're missing the part where the founders pre-mine and/or rug you to enrich themselves, only to then send their profits into BTC, SPY and real estate.
join us at r/wallstreetbets its more volatile then crypto and safer if you choose to just DCA in the SPY
I am up over 400% on all my BTC buys from the bear market in 2023. That's better performance than almost anything else I could have put my money into. Sure I could have put everything into NVDA or the 5 Alts out of 50,000+ that might have outperformed BTC but I don't have a crystal ball. Only thing I was fairly certain of was that BTC was trending up after a bear market bottom and it was a movie I'd seen before. *BTC is Alpha. BTC is the diversifier that gives you out-peformance in a portfolio of traditional assets* which you should be owning anyway. *A portfolio doesn't mean holding an assortment of shitcoins, the vast majority of which lose money and/or massively underperform BTC.* Alts give you ZERO diversification and only introduce more risk. Why? Alts have a very tight correlation coefficient with BTC, meaning you are totally depending on BTC appreciation to increase in value and even if BTC goes up, most Alts likely still won't appreciate much or at best just pump and dump which you won't be able to time. | Asset |From 2/10/2023 | |:-----------|------------:| | NVDA | 742%| | BTC | 428%| | GOOGL | 154%| | AMZN | 137%| | GOLD | 98%| | QQQ | 93%| | MSFT | 90%| | SPY | 59%| | AAPL | 49%| Sharing 1 address with ~$5,000 invested in cycle bear market of February 2023 ==> Current value ~$28,000 https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin/address/38DsNUNwTfuGsnPzCF9EyotGq1wuuiqhsu It's a timelocked BTC HODL address. Here is the redeem script which shows the address whose private key can can unlock this timelocked address above. https://coinb.in/?verify=04d05f3978b17521027e56340dfee827c839e97d7557c4d273ba165617e5ea5f600d7f8415c72ec3ceac#verify - Address of Private Key: 1MdgmaePEskR9MLJK4YuhqxUhYKtK8yQDC - Message: biba8163 - Signature: Hy20piDSMP/CyMzIl736GES0x9oQPm3TeL0GNE/K5ZyuX+FPX2jW9kyW4AsYYkqwsMpz/XR7Cfwrj7Ezbu3Gg9w= - Verify @ https://checkmsg.org/
If you even notice this, much less feel enough that you post about it... you shouldnt be in crytpo. Go buy $SPY
[https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/GLD/](https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/GLD/) Gold has 0.43 beta last 5Y, according to Yahoo finance. Still tends to drop during major liquidity crunches that hit everything (2020), but definitely periods where it's running counter to SPY. Tends to have low correlation overall either way historically.
10% in BTC, 90% in SPY. Rebalance in a year.
You have to give them the bitcoins, they give you a loan for x%. Right now 60% is typical, for 9-12% interest per year. At 1M, you can get a loan for 600k, and you pay, say 54000/yr on it. So as long as whatever you're doing (e.g. QQQ/SPY/Dividends) is paying more annually, and monthly, you're now keeping your bitcoin, which goes up in value, and also buying other assets that go up in value and provide cash flow, and paying an interest only loan. Rinse. Repeat.
If all I had was 120k then no. Maybe half a coin, a few ETH, some gold, and some SPY shares. Diversify
Same goes for a house, land, SPY500, gold and probably silver
Well ill be honest. Alt coins are being minted every minute. I would love to see an honest ecosystem. They are few and far between. Bitcoin is still a safe bet if you can hold it 4 years. Crypto shouldn’t be your entire portfolio. Gold and $SPY might be worth holding until retirement in 20 years. If you can’t keep your money in the market, you need to work on your skills or sell something on the side. This isn’t investment advice. Don’t follow the degenerate gamblers here.
QQQ and SPY are only up 1% and 0.5% big dawg
Does it really need to decouple if it moves at 2-3x of SPY?
Is it pegged though? Zoom out and the 1 year chart has BTC +99% and SPY 17%. Even if you go 6 months BTC is up 2x SPY.
And 4x 1.15 will get you to a 2x - those are somewhat easy and why SPY, QQQ and co are good worry free long term assets.
I’d recommend watching this conversation between Balaji and Saylor regarding Saylors digital assets framework. Personally I tend to agree with the definitions and categories he uses along with the vision for each. Might help give an idea of what bitcoins use *might* end up looking like in the future as adoption matures. https://youtu.be/ZSvvv5tzxEI?si=sGYwrle6SPY4zOjb
While it’s a near certainty Fed will cut 25bps it’s not unheard of for their decision to buck market sentiment. In Sept 2008 the Fed shocked the market to the downside by holding rates steady, when markets had already priced in cuts as a near certainty. VIX is up sharply this week diverging from its normal correlation with SPY. This suggests hedge funds and other institutional investors are buying puts as insurance for their longs. They would not engage in this if something “is already a fact.” Even if downside risk is small, it’s present to protect your positions against it when managing institutional money.
Invest in something safe like QQQ or SPY. Use the proceeds to pay off the loan, profit like 5%.
See my response below to Ghost, but in short it certainly looks like the stock markets and gold have priced in their expectation of a September rate cut (and gold's expectation of inflation / potential incoming volatility). But BTC retraced that rate-cut euphoria almost immediately, while stocks held their momentum after the Jackson Hole speech. Since that August 23-24 retrace, BTC has basically only aligned in percentage growth parallel to the gains made by SPY/Nasdaq. It's impossible to guess if stocks are trying to front-run 1-2 more 2025 rate cuts for now, though.
It sure isn't "priced-in" to BTC, considering how the Jackson Hole meeting on August 22nd went. SPY/Nasdaq recover-rallied when the Fed hinted at answering Unemployment worries with a rate cut, and BTC immediately withdrew the correlation. Stocks are absolutely front-running the rate cut from the looks of SPY's recovery & rally since that day, which is precisely why I wouldn't be surprised if investors start rotating back out to BTC/crypto assets once rate-cuts are confirmed this week. Even most crypto mining/treasury stocks are absolutely flying while BTC (and Eth) are stagnant. That liquidity is chasing the wave in stocks for now. My money is on fireworks for crypto by end-of-week.
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With how BTC has moved against the stock market for the last month since the August PPI report, it seems like investors are trying to scrape together all the liquidity they can to ride the hype of the stock market's rate-cut anticipation before the FOMC meeting this week. If the market gets their wish and rate cuts materialize, there's a terrific chance that liquidity from stocks begin to flow elsewhere looking for the next wave to ride. BTC is a prime target, considering not only its distance from the August ATH but its relative lag compared to the SPY/Nasdaq's growth since then. TL;DR if/when the Fed cuts the rate, it may be a very intense month for crypto's growth.
NASDAQ new ATH, SPY about to open at ATH too, crypto 🤡
Don’t want to dox myself. But my company offers PCRA with my Schwab 401k that I basically use for buying SPY, FETH & ARKB.
So its not really the NUMBER it can grow to in fiat price it is really the VALUE or buying power it grows to....which gets wierd to quantify. Maybe one uses gold except maybe gold drops to its industrial metal value of $50/ounce or so? Or oil? Or shares of SPY? Or some index of basic consumer goods? How to you even guage pure actual value if the fiats have all gone to zero?
I dunno. My SOL I bought at $90 i just sold yesterday for over a 2x gain. That's what we're gonna get now. Way better than QQQ or SPY.
Investing in SPY feels like watching paint dry Investing in 401jk feels like watching Star Wars ROTS for the first time
25% BTC, 25% SPY, 25% QQQ, 25% Individual Stocks. That combines = 50% of total investments. The other 50% is Real Estate (rentals).
Back in 1994 I bought my "dream car" at the age of 24 for $35,000 though the payments with interest totaled $41,500. (I had modest dreams.) I calculated that had I invested that amount in SPY instead of paying for a car, then I would have over $600,000 as of the end of 2024. Instead, I have a meager $40,000 that I am slowly growing again. Do I regret it? No... because I had my dream car at 24.
Bitcoin is a investment vehicle, no more, no less. The investing sub doesn’t even consider funds or stocks outside SPY investments, let alone any other asset or asset class.
Couple points of clarification: ***"Sure, he made a 14k profit by investing 12k,"*** This is unrealized profit unless he sold his BTC. It could drop back down to $30K later today and wipe that out. ***"I just feel like it’s better to be safe and invest in big conglomerates like Amazon, Google, and Microsoft."*** Single stocks aren't "safe". TSLA is a great example. People who owned it at it's ATH of $479 9 months ago were having a very merry Christmas, but 3 months later it had plummeted to $262 and now sits around $333. If you want a safer investment, consider an S&P 500 ETF like VOO or SPY that expose you to a broad range of stocks. Or, if you're young, a target-date fund that will adjust for risk as you age. Everyone's risk tolerance is different and you may have a lower tolerance than your friend. That being said, a diversified portfolio is the best choice for most people and BTC has quickly become a part of that. I have reallocated more to BTC in 2025 due to the turbulence in the stock market, but it's still a small part of my overall portfolio because it is risky and I'm old.
I think 5 years is a fair snapshot at a recent market cycle. I can pick a 10 year window frame for you, in September 2015, SPY was $191 and today in September $644, then over the past 10 years, SPY increased 12.92%+1.7% dividends=14.84% a year annually. And it's about the same in the 15 year recent window. but my main point is if the market can increase an annual at 15% a year, then why can't a volatile asset such as BTC can't?
From September 4, 2020, SPY was at $350, today on September 3, 2025 it is at $644. INCLUDING dividends, that's $12.97%+1.5%=14.66% annually over the past recent 5 years
If you want to break event DCA into SPY. If you want to actually accumulate something it's tech stocks and crypto.
Most things launch on Solana first regardless of asset type. This is where most trade. Recently popular stocks with SPY came to Solana first, and now private securities like OpenAI, Discord, SpaceX are trading on Solana. Right as a token swap on Jupiter or Phantom. Everything happens on Solana and Hyperliquid. Memes included.
New here, just want to introduce myself. I love BTC and I love MSTR as a leveraged BTC accretion machine. Personally not betting on expecting SPY inclusion but would be pleasantly surprised. I believe BTC still has a ways to go this year, but cautious about how sentiment could react to an unknown macro macro event that's obviously not priced in. Here's what has me nervous though... the consensus from what I'm seeing is for a q4 run up. Will Bitcoin really allow everyone to predict this and be right? I don't think so lol.
SPY down -0.7% pre market... not looking good
100% agree my friend. I think BTC will eventually have a steady YoY Growth of ~20% After adoption. Which is still significantly more than SPY.
Ehhh if I'm investing in crypto, im risk on. If I wanted boring investments, I'd buy SPY. This has been a great year for BTC/eth so far. Usually Oct / Nov sucks when the whole year has Is there something going on this cycle that makes people feel like we won't have a great Oct/Nov?
When I say pros, I mean like Two Sigma, JS, PDT, HRT, Optiver, etc. Data driven statarb and market makers. I work in the industry. There are strategies that work. The data costs run around mid-5-figure sums per month even for a startup. The reason publicly accessible hedge funds underperform is two fold. Public funds don't need to beat the market to sell well in their niche. They're selling diversification. Achieving a sharpe of 1 with 0 correlation to SPY is plenty good enough. Beyond that, the strategy is not worth offering publicly. The best are all ran prop.
As everyone here is joking, this is objectively false. If you are retiring next year, sure it's true. But for the vast majority of us, we will be just fine. It's a far better investment than VOO or SPY imo. And even if not, we were screwed either way. But I seriously doubt the last part.
"As of the latest available data, the total assets for specific large-cap ETFs are substantial, with the Vanguard S&P 500 ETF (VOO) holding $731.596 billion, the SPDR S&P 500 ETF Trust (SPY) holding $661.318 billion, and the iShares Core S&P 500 ETF (IVV) holding $659.940 billion."