LTC

Apart-Apple-Red

Do you mean bitcointalk? I've been there untill the day of LTC announcement and can't recall anything you mentioned. Any source?

biba8163

**Crypto 101** Alts have NO value of their own. Alts do NOT attract capital on their own. Historically, an Alt like ETH has a correlation coefficient to BTC of 0.96 and only gains value when BTC goes on bullruns. Alts only appreciate and get capital after money flows into BTC and flows out seeking more profit. Notice how ETH only hits new ATHs after BTC hits tops/local tops and profits flow to Alts: > - Summer 2017, ETH hits ATH of $400 after BTC hits local top of $3,000 > - January 2018, ETH hits ATH of $1,400 after BTC hits cycle top of $20K > - May 2021, ETH hits ATH after BTC tops out in April 2021 > - Nov 2021. ETH hits ATH in December after BTC tops out in November 2021 **Crypto 102** The market is changed. The data is indisputable but Alt bagholders and influencers keep cheerleading themselves off a cliff to Altseason. In previous cycles, Alts like ETH, LTC, DOGE already had made their biggest gains 1-Year from the Halvening date NOT at EOY next year after halvening. **This time around these Alts and the Total Alt Marketcap actually has lost value since halvening** and show zero indication of masking any parabolic gains like we saw in previous cycles or gains whatsoever. | ETH | Halvening Date | 1-YR Post Halvening | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | July 2016-17 | $11 | $199 | May 2020-21 | $210 | $2,800 | April 2024-25 | $3,157 | $1,580 | **LTC** | July 2016-17 | $4 | $40 | May 2020-21 | $40 | $377 | April 2024-25 | $85 | $77 | **DOGE** | July 2016-17 | $0.0002 | $0.001 | May 2020-21 | $0.002 | $0.49 | April 2024-25 | $0.16 | $0.15 | **Alt Marketcap** *(Excluding Stablecoins)* | July 2016-17 | $2.05 Billion | $52.17 Billion | May 2020-21 | $74.81 Billion | $1.34 Trillion | April 2024-25 | $1.09 Trillion | $0.76 Trillion With Institutional, Corporate, TradFi and Nation State money, BTC's has a strangehold on capital that is never leaving BTC to chase Alts. | 2025 | Holdings | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | ETFs (Global) | $151.22 Billion | Public Companies | $81.57 Billion | Nation States | $57.78 Billion | Private Companies | $43.45 Billion | **Total** | **$334.02 Billion** The fact that this cycle has been different and that capital will not flow into Alts has been evident since November but again bagholders and scammer influencers are still clueless and continue to cirlejerk Alt season. > Noobs who weren't around in 2016 and 2020, you should know that 2024 looks very very different so far than at this time frame in 2016 and 2020. (Nov. 5, 2024) > https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1gkfvzs/bitcoin_price_crushing_altcoins_heading_into_us/lvlrry1/ > The market is changing: ETFs, MSTR, etc account for a lot of the inflows. This money is not going to leave BTC seeking greater return on Alts (Nov. 13, 2024) > https://np.reddit.com/r/ethfinance/comments/1gq6ahm/daily_general_discussion_november_13_2024/lwymxl9/ > Each cycle is a bit different. Too many people are saying, just hold on to your coins, it's playing out exactly the same. (Nov. 13, 2024) > https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1gqexix/why_are_there_so_few_active_users_when_btc_is_at/lwxx36a/ > Be careful of people telling you this cycle is playing out exactly the same. ETFs, institutional and mainstream involvement, memecoins, L2 options and ETH competitors, it's very different (Nov. 19, 2024) > https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1gujmk1/daily_crypto_discussion_november_19_2024_gmt0/lxyt5pw/

No_Fishing_

LTC is going to catch up imo. The price ratio compared to activity and coin supply, doesn't add up. Once people realize there isn't any downside risk. It should happen in a hurry.

No_Fishing_

Why not pump LTC. It's just patiently waiting.

Familiar_Television1

It was a dip for alts like ETH and LTC

chubs66

definitely not. there's not a single thing LTC does that other coins don't do better. it has no reason to exist.

btcpsycho

Ad LTC

DebianDog

I remember being so mad I missed the boat with DOT because everyone was talking about it around 8$ and it 54$ shortly after. Now its down there with LTC and XMR in market cap, around 4$.

iamjide91

I've made a lot of money in crypto, earning it and trading it. Also running nodes, mining, staking, name it. Best gains came from AIOZ Network, Grass, ETH, LTC (from way back). Can go on endlessly. But if people can't make money in crypto, why do you think the institutions are coming in? You think they like to lose?

cryptocurrencyfrenzy

I store my LTC in Cypherock X1 cold wallet

SailingforBooty

PayPal’s Venmo Visa offers 3% in BTC/ETH/LTC/BCH on the highest category monthly spend, 2% on groceries, and 1% everything else. No annual fees/membership.

Hitachi22

This hurts.  Wish I would have listened to the Maxis way back when I got into crypto. I went something like 75/25% split into LTC/BTC. My Bitcoin is worth 5x my Litecoin.  I picked the absolute worst shitcoin to DCA into. At least most of the other popular alts have had a decent pump at some point.  Litecoin has done absolutely shit returns over the past 7 years.

btcpsycho

I’m doing that to BTC, ETH, LTC, TRUMP and DOGE for more than a year

QuirkyFisherman4611

You need only one coin : **Monero**. P2P electronic cash. And you need only Retoswap. BTC, ETH, LTC are all surveillance coins and USDT is toxic beyond redemption. CEXs will go the way the dinosaurs went.

intelw1zard

>Where is the best place to buy Nano in the US. I haven't looked into it in years. You can use any of the dozens of swap sites like SimpleSwap and just swap something like LTC into Nano.

CryptoCryptonaire

The actual list includes XLM, XRP, SOL, ETH, BTC, LINK, UNI, LTC and ADA. Why are you posting this as though its "only" ADA?

ChomsGP

I'm sorry how many technical papers have you actually read? Honestly even without reading, LN is extensively used across BTC and LTC and you don't hear any issues, people gets rekt more often when broadcasting a L1 TX than anyone using LN, that is just reality after years of it working in production (it wasn't introduced last year...)

jaimewarlock

BTC has more hash power behind a single block than the 6 blocks you are using for dogecoin. I would just set the settlement time as a single block. Most DEX require only 1 confirmation for the top coins. I know several places that I can get cash using just one confirmation even for coins like BCH and LTC that have a lot less hash power securing their blocks. The days of worrying about 51% attacks are long gone. Nowadays, if you managed a double spend by using a 51% attack, it would certainly be considered fraud, not just for you, but the miner that you bribed. Note that BCH has double spend proofs too, so their transactions are considered secure after just a few seconds since you can double check with the network to see if any nodes have a conflicting transaction. I know at least one online game (Nythyria) that you can deposit BCH and get game credits within 6 seconds, since they check for DSP. Once you have the game credits, you can immediately sell them and withdraw the exact same amount.

Heisenberg2nd

Btc obvious 50%, 25%eth 5% Sol, 5% xrp, 2.5% Sui 2.5% kaspa 2% Hbar 2% Cardano 2% LTC 1% Avax 1% Pi network 1% ICP 0.5% Gigachad 0.5%

angelwolf71885

It was NEVER meant for micro transactions it was meant for significant payments even satoshi discouraged BTCs use for large scale payments Shorty after BTC was released because the network wasn’t there yet…you sound an awful lot like a buttcoin BTC isn’t a micro transaction currency you want that use doge or LTC

No_Fishing_

Fomo into LTC

No_Fishing_

All funds switch to LTC very quickly

SameWeekend13

And once again they ignored Litecoin (LTC) in this list.

nick20191

I heard they were going to dump it to buy up LTC

craly

Yes its supposed to be cash replacement and a currency that can't be inflated by a central government. Its idea was to be the most efficient payment method, this is why they choose to make it feeless and transaction are pretty much instant. So same usecase as BCH and LTC, but i feel that if i wanted to use something as a currency, why not use the one that has a fully distrbuted supply, zero fees and insant transactions? XRP is basicly banking 2.0? don't ripple foundation give these banks huge amount of XRP to promote it? CBDC won't solve governments printing new coins out of thin air and using it to enrich themself and as a bailout incase they fuck up.

Purplenastie

I do not know Nano. I remember seeing it a few years back but correct me if I am wrong it is a cash replacement. I personally no longer believe in any cash replacements. I had BCH, LTC etc but I do not believe they are required. That space will be replaced with CBDCs. BTC is different as it is a store of value and can also be used for payments. I think XRP and XLM will have some use case. Although I dislike XRP and got rid of that bag too. Most Crypto are pretty useless and are purely hype. They can all make you money and some of the biggest gains have been from absolute turds but so have the biggest losses.

SameWeekend13

What are the chances for Litecoin (LTC) to get to $200 by end of the year ?

SameWeekend13

How many of you think that LTC can go to atleast $200 by end of year ?

reversenotation

Is it because you have an LTC bag ?

LocalCurmudgeonHere

Serious question. BTC and ETH both ran and took a breather. But why is LTC still climbing?

HarrisGYK

Check $PEP out. Far from dead. Why I think PEP actually has a chance at 100x 1. **PEP is a coin, not a token.** * Around 99% of meme cryptocurrencies are tokens built on existing blockchains like Ethereum or Solana. PEP is a native coin with its own blockchain—like BTC, DOGE, and LTC. 2. **Only 2 meme** ***coins*** **are in the top 100 meme cryptos:** * Dogecoin (#1) and Pepecoin (#100). The rest are all tokens. This makes PEP a real outlier and significantly more interesting long-term. 3. **Out of all pepe-themed projects, PEP is the only coin.** * Everything else in the frog space is a token—PEP stands alone with its own chain. 4. **Still very early.** * Launched January 30, 2024, it's still very much in its infancy, which means the upside potential is massive. 5. **Currently \~10x below its ATH.** * Just returning to the ATH would be almost a 10x. That alone is a huge opportunity. 6. **Strong community + active dev team.** * The subreddit and Discord are some of the most engaged I've seen, and the dev team is consistently building and active. 7. **THIS IS THE MAIN REASON I WAS CONVINCED TO BUY IN.** * PEP is only listed on one Top-10 exchange (MEXC), and MEXC isn’t even available in the US or China—the two biggest crypto markets. Getting listed on more Top-10 exchanges isn’t an *if*, it’s a *when*. Once that happens, I believe PEP could potentially 10x beyond its ATH—nearly a 100x from where it is now. **TL;DR:** PEP is one of only two meme *coins* (not tokens) in the top 100 meme cryptos. It’s early, undervalued, barely listed, has real upside potential, and a strong community + dev team behind it. Credits: psychedelic-psylo

HarrisGYK

$PEP. Why I think PEP actually has a chance at 100x 1. **PEP is a coin, not a token.** * Around 99% of meme cryptocurrencies are tokens built on existing blockchains like Ethereum or Solana. PEP is a native coin with its own blockchain—like BTC, DOGE, and LTC. 2. **Only 2 meme** ***coins*** **are in the top 100 meme cryptos:** * Dogecoin (#1) and Pepecoin (#100). The rest are all tokens. This makes PEP a real outlier and significantly more interesting long-term. 3. **Out of all pepe-themed projects, PEP is the only coin.** * Everything else in the frog space is a token—PEP stands alone with its own chain. 4. **Still very early.** * Launched January 30, 2024, it's still very much in its infancy, which means the upside potential is massive. 5. **Currently \~10x below its ATH.** * Just returning to the ATH would be almost a 10x. That alone is a huge opportunity. 6. **Strong community + active dev team.** * The subreddit and Discord are some of the most engaged I've seen, and the dev team is consistently building and active. 7. **THIS IS THE MAIN REASON I WAS CONVINCED TO BUY IN.** * PEP is only listed on one Top-10 exchange (MEXC), and MEXC isn’t even available in the US or China—the two biggest crypto markets. Getting listed on more Top-10 exchanges isn’t an *if*, it’s a *when*. Once that happens, I believe PEP could potentially 10x beyond its ATH—nearly a 100x from where it is now. **TL;DR:** PEP is one of only two meme *coins* (not tokens) in the top 100 meme cryptos. It’s early, undervalued, barely listed, has real upside potential, and a strong community + dev team behind it. Credits: psychedelic-psylo

HarrisGYK

$PEP coin Why I think PEP actually has a chance at 100x 1. **PEP is a coin, not a token.** * Around 99% of meme cryptocurrencies are tokens built on existing blockchains like Ethereum or Solana. PEP is a native coin with its own blockchain—like BTC, DOGE, and LTC. 2. **Only 2 meme** ***coins*** **are in the top 100 meme cryptos:** * Dogecoin (#1) and Pepecoin (#100). The rest are all tokens. This makes PEP a real outlier and significantly more interesting long-term. 3. **Out of all pepe-themed projects, PEP is the only coin.** * Everything else in the frog space is a token—PEP stands alone with its own chain. 4. **Still very early.** * Launched January 30, 2024, it's still very much in its infancy, which means the upside potential is massive. 5. **Currently \~10x below its ATH.** * Just returning to the ATH would be almost a 10x. That alone is a huge opportunity. 6. **Strong community + active dev team.** * The subreddit and Discord are some of the most engaged I've seen, and the dev team is consistently building and active. 7. **THIS IS THE MAIN REASON I WAS CONVINCED TO BUY IN.** * PEP is only listed on one Top-10 exchange (MEXC), and MEXC isn’t even available in the US or China—the two biggest crypto markets. Getting listed on more Top-10 exchanges isn’t an *if*, it’s a *when*. Once that happens, I believe PEP could potentially 10x beyond its ATH—nearly a 100x from where it is now. **TL;DR:** PEP is one of only two meme *coins* (not tokens) in the top 100 meme cryptos. It’s early, undervalued, barely listed, has real upside potential, and a strong community + dev team behind it. Credits: psychedelic-psylo

HarrisGYK

$PEP coin Why I think PEP actually has a chance at 100x 1. **PEP is a coin, not a token.** * Around 99% of meme cryptocurrencies are tokens built on existing blockchains like Ethereum or Solana. PEP is a native coin with its own blockchain—like BTC, DOGE, and LTC. 2. **Only 2 meme** ***coins*** **are in the top 100 meme cryptos:** * Dogecoin (#1) and Pepecoin (#100). The rest are all tokens. This makes PEP a real outlier and significantly more interesting long-term. 3. **Out of all pepe-themed projects, PEP is the only coin.** * Everything else in the frog space is a token—PEP stands alone with its own chain. 4. **Still very early.** * Launched January 30, 2024, it's still very much in its infancy, which means the upside potential is massive. 5. **Currently \~10x below its ATH.** * Just returning to the ATH would be almost a 10x. That alone is a huge opportunity. 6. **Strong community + active dev team.** * The subreddit and Discord are some of the most engaged I've seen, and the dev team is consistently building and active. 7. **THIS IS THE MAIN REASON I WAS CONVINCED TO BUY IN.** * PEP is only listed on one Top-10 exchange (MEXC), and MEXC isn’t even available in the US or China—the two biggest crypto markets. Getting listed on more Top-10 exchanges isn’t an *if*, it’s a *when*. Once that happens, I believe PEP could potentially 10x beyond its ATH—nearly a 100x from where it is now. **TL;DR:** PEP is one of only two meme *coins* (not tokens) in the top 100 meme cryptos. It’s early, undervalued, barely listed, has real upside potential, and a strong community + dev team behind it. Credits: psychedelic-psylo

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mcgravier

You didn't buy alts - alts like ETH or LTC are doing reasonably well. You bought some low market cap shitcoins didn't you?

FrenchPsy

KYC exchange =FIAT => LTC => Cakewallet => LTC SWAP to XMR .

eddieh2834

LTC has been sub 100 for 8 years lol. copy pasta

Odd_Transition3870

Litecoin and DOT Both are very undervalued currently. Im building LTC ready for long term investment. It’s got huge potential and little risk compared to most on the market plus capped supply like bitcoin. Dot again is at a bit of a low point right now so a good time to invest. Potential to 4x easy enough with a 10x possible if things go crazy. If you want to gamble pop a little on MOG I think again it’s likely to 5x minimum from here but be prepared for that to crash also therefor only put what your willing to lose

Numerous_Permit_7857

1. BTC 2. KASPA 3. Other fair launch alts like XMR, LTC, Doge With these at least there’s no one that is unfairly and diabolically waiting to dump the shit out on u. 

order-odonata

Easy...swap your XMR for some dodgy LTC - then sell the dodgy LTC on coinbase or whatever KYC exchange you use. Not hard to understand is it?

Akorian_W

Best way to buy and move BTC/ LTC / LBTC/ XMR instantly. I dont have a wallet yet but I want to pay a service that only accepts any of these coins. So where can i get an account and just pay? (Am in the EU)

samtry

Well, it originates from a meme, but the devs are going all serious with it. It has its own Layer 1 blockchain, which kind of puts it aside from all the other coins out there. PEPE is a token relying on ETH such as another 1000+ meme coins with no real value. The devs are constantly working on it. Recently they were attending BTC n LTC summit in Vegas where they had their own stand as well + a huge billboard on the strip. IDK it's just my opinion that there might be more into it than just a meme. You can check their website and create your own opinion.

Firone

Also, it rewards the richest people with newly created money, unlike Bitcoin which gives them to the people who worked the hardest. That's ethically catastrophic in my opinion and is practically what we have with the current system. The first generation of Bitcoin competitors (BCH, LTC etc) boasted about better speed/fees without realizing the downsides this introduced. The second generation now boasts about better features and promises of future developments. The issue is that they are already fundamentally worse than BTC's layer 1 for many reasons and they can't fix that in subsequent layers. BTC's goal is to be the best money possible and will not compromise its base layer in any way for "nice to haves". Altcoins' goal is to differentiate themselves from Bitcoin. Bitcoin has no true competitor and is in a class of its own. That's what Wallstreet and politicians seem to think now too... I don't think there will be a third generation. Some people say memecoins are the third but they advertise themselves as a joke, no one sees them as a BTC competitor Another funny thing with proof of stake is that it depends on itself. You're a newcomer so you see a chain where someone is super rich. Why is he super rich? Because its written in the blockchain. But who validated what's written there? People with the most money staked: the super rich. You see the circular dependency? Bitcoin depends on something external: real work done in the real world. That's partly why proof of work is so crucial to decentralized money Also BTC's simplicity is a big advantage: the longest chain is the true one. In ETH, there's nothing like this, it's a ton of complexity for something inferior. Both POW and POS have the assumption that you probably would not want to undermine the system you're in by attacking it. The issue is that it's the only assumption making POS work, in POW it's secondary. In POW you'd literally be throwing money away unless someone stupid accepts your payment worth millions without waiting for enough confirmations: your attack would thus fuck this person over (and only them). In POS however you just need enough rich/influential people banding together to get an outcome they prefer, then you can do basically anything you want and it costs you nothing, so why not? TLDR: premined, more centralized, less secure, not neutral, overly complex and poorly planned, POS, no supply cap, etc

aussiposters

As a long-term holder of BTC with no intention of selling I have moved away from stacking BTC in favour of stacking hard forks of BTC. The forks will be the next BTC after it becomes unattainable. So, ZEC, LTC and BCH

Familiar_Television1

Bitcoin below 60-50K. ETH sub 3K and LTC sub 100

biba8163

> Still has a boat and woman Except, the dumb bagholder on the right is still looking across the horizon for Altseason still hoping to make wife changing gains. In previous cycles, Alts like ETH, LTC, DOGE already had made their biggest gains 1-Year from the Halvening date NOT at EOY next year after halvening. This time around these Alts and the Total Alt Marketcap actually has lost value since halvening and show zero indication of masking any parabolic gains like we saw in previous cycles or gains whatsoever. | ETH | Halvening Date | 1-YR Post Halvening | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | July 2016-17 | $11 | $199 | May 2020-21 | $210 | $2,800 | April 2024-25 | $3,157 | $1,580 | **LTC** | July 2016-17 | $4 | $40 | May 2020-21 | $40 | $377 | April 2024-25 | $85 | $77 | **DOGE** | July 2016-17 | $0.0002 | $0.001 | May 2020-21 | $0.002 | $0.49 | April 2024-25 | $0.16 | $0.15 | **Alt Marketcap** *(Excluding Stablecoins)* | July 2016-17 | $2.05 Billion | $52.17 Billion | May 2020-21 | $74.81 Billion | $1.34 Trillion | April 2024-25 | $1.09 Trillion | $0.76 Trillion With Institutional, Corporate, TradFi and Nation State money, BTC's has a strangehold on capital that is never leaving BTC to chase shitcoins. | 2025 | Holdings | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | ETFs (Global) | $151.22 Billion | Public Companies | $81.57 Billion | Nation States | $57.78 Billion | Private Companies | $43.45 Billion | **Total** | **$334.02 Billion**

Own_Fault247

Honestly, since being in crypto since 2017, I'm definitely up more than I am down. Def has been periods when I was underwater, but I just held. Nearly everyone that owns BTC should be in the positives. I only mess with BTC, ETH and LTC in the last 5 years.

Goldenbeardyman

What actual use cases are there for LTC? Surely it's just the same as all the other slightly cheaper to Transact BTC clones.

interloper76

Because Monero is a real crypto with real life use. Good coin. What surprises me though, is the weakness of coins like LTC, BCH, DOT or even DASH which ain't that bad and are actually used...LTC was at the same levels when BTC was for around 6k lol..

gmetothemoongodspeed

Don’t you think that in step 1 the authorities wouldn’t know of the LTC transactions?

ihansterx4i

Wait so what happens when you want to sell monero? Do you have to reconvert it to LTC and sell it on whatever exchange?

I_talk

I only buy LTC to swap it for BTCZ on Tradeogre

hog-balder

Why would anybody hold LTC?

CounterAdmirable4218

I will stop you at buy Litecoin (LTC) Skip the Monero bit and hodl the LTC.

mattpease1

Holy sh\*t most of the coins mentioned are trash... It's not 2021 anymore, old coins that did well past runs won't do well moving forward and will NEVER see all time highs again. This is simply due to dilution of altcoins. XLM, LTC, ADA etc will never outperform newer coins with more mindshare. I'm heavily allocated into HYPE, native token of Hyperliquid exchange due to the fact they generate nearly 1B per year off trading fees and 97% of that goes back into buying token (deflationary). Also solid exchange. I made a full thesis on Youtube: [https://youtu.be/asl5\_qiahYc](https://youtu.be/asl5_qiahYc)

Inevitable_Base_9970

Get private ledger or coinbase wallet & purchase as much BTC & LTC as you possibly can and just hold man. My coin networth is sitting at 320K$ as we speak…… very simple advice but it will never fail you

st_crypto

Sometime in 2014 when a friend showed me how to mine it with cpu. Then BTC dropped from $1100 last year to around $330 but we still thought it wasn't worth it to mine it so i started mining LTC and converting it to BTC and left it on MtGox... oh boy.... got beat up all the way but learned some lessons early

LegendaryJohnny

Just etf filing news. Its nothing burger as in case of LTC. When its approved it will probably affect price, but it wont go to december high of 140 dollars. There is just no demand for this snake oil anymore. Retail is investing in butter and eggs and paying tariffs by Mango Taco.

No_Election9221

# The Crypto World's Behind the Scenes: Who's Winning, Who's Losing? Can anyone actually list the people who've truly profited from this crypto business? It's always the same old story: "They bought **Bitcoin** at one dollar, ten dollars, a hundred dollars, and now they're holding this much." So, how many of these "lucky" individuals are there, really? What happened to the **trillions in XRP**? Why haven't the **LUNC thieves** come to light yet? Why aren't stolen or crashed coins, and the funds of their rightful owners, being refunded? These questions just hang in the air. This platform feels more like a **private club for the rich**. Anyone can join, look around, even try their luck with small sums, but filling their pockets isn't as easy as it seems. One minute, exchanges seize your money, or the exchange crashes, or you wake up to news of a "**hack attack**." Then they give you dates, a glimmer of hope: "it'll recover by this time, that time," but that time never comes. This is called **psychological extinction**; you reach a point where you just accept the situation, with nowhere left to turn. # Mysterious Gains and Untraceable Flows Which coins has the **SEC** decided to sue? Evidently, the ones that serve their own interests. Wake up, humanity! The cost of those expensive cocktails the wealthy sip in the Caribbean, the money they make effortlessly while lounging, that's coming out of our pockets. Throughout history, there's always been a group that profits without working. After stock exchanges, these **digital platforms** were created to exploit and earn 24/7. They're even greedier now; the money they've made isn't enough; they want more. Doesn't this whole situation strike you as suspicious? More gravely, how do we know that the money we've lost isn't funding wars or contributing to people's deaths? Who can confirm that the money we gain or lose isn't flowing into a **drug cartel's coffers**? We need to offer people a broader perspective. Boycotts aren't enough. If these "patrons" truly see digital assets as a means of valuation, why don't they just inflate the prices as they wish? # The Collapse of the Decentralization Claim Why does **Bitcoin**, supposedly a decentralized exchange, so clearly fluctuate with every word from figures like **Trump** and **Elon Musk**? Could it be that when some people couldn't profit from traditional trade, they turned **Africa's blood diamonds into bloody digital currencies**? Yes, there's no physical person here, just a digital identity, and no one can trace it. But while money flows into some people's pockets, others are constantly being plundered. Are Europe's feudal lords, or America's plantation owners and slave traders, now involved in this? Is this money perhaps the **wages of modern slaves**? When we go to bed at night, we don't know where our money is, who it's serving, or what service it's providing. In reality, we don't investigate. # Endless Promises and Unending Drains To keep the excitement high on exchanges, talks of "it will be burned at this time, at that time" follow one after another. **LUNC** never managed to burn these coins, why? Because they themselves say: "**Not everyone will get rich**." Perhaps that's just another way of saying, "we won't make you rich." **XRP** was supposed to hit $100, wasn't it? Hundreds of banks supposedly signed protocols? Isn't this essentially the rich club telling small investors, "you'll wait a lot longer"? When Mantra suddenly crashed, into whose pockets did the **millions from short positions** flow? Whose money became worthless? Where is **ADA coin**, or the other major coins? Those who've filled their pockets will never agree to be robbed. Didn't the owner of **LTC coin** even sell their own holdings? There are no projects, while they talk about the world changing this way and that, some people are just lying in bed scratching their bellies.

No_Election9221

# Cryptocurrencies: Who Are the Real Winners, and Where Does Our Money Go? Can someone please list the people who actually make money from this crypto business? It's always the same old story: "They bought **Bitcoin** at one dollar, ten dollars, a hundred dollars, and they're holding this much." How many people are these? What about the **trillions held in XRP**? Why haven't the **LUNC thieves** been identified? Why aren't stolen or crashed coins and the funds of their rightful owners being refunded? This platform is a club for the rich. Everyone can enter, browse, and look, but they can't fill their pockets. Either exchanges won't let you withdraw your money, or the exchange collapses, or you wake up to news of a "**hack attack**." Then they give you dates, "this time, that time," but that time never comes. They call this **psychological extinction**; you eventually accept the situation, with nowhere to go. Let's see which coins the **SEC** has sued. They need to get their cut. Wake up, humanity! You are paying for the cocktails the wealthy sip in the Caribbean while making money effortlessly. Throughout world history, there has always been a group that just lounges around. After stock exchanges, these platforms were created to exploit and profit 24/7. They are even greedier now; they want to steal more from you. The money they've made isn't enough for them. Isn't this suspicious? More importantly, how do we know that this lost money isn't funding wars or contributing to people's deaths? Who can confirm that the money we gain or lose isn't flowing into a **drug cartel's coffers**? We need to offer people a broader perspective. Boycotts aren't enough. If these patrons see this as a means of valuation, isn't it obvious why they're not raising its value? Why do they so clearly show **BTC**, supposedly a decentralized exchange, fluctuating based on the pronouncements of figures like **Trump** and **Elon Musk**? Could it be that when some people can't make money from traditional trade, they've turned Africa's **blood diamonds** into **blood digital currencies**? Yes, there's no human being, just a digital identity, and no one can trace it. But money is flowing into some people's pockets while others are being robbed. Are Europe's feudal lords or America's plantation owners and slave traders involved in this? Is this money perhaps the wages of modern slaves? When we go to bed at night, we don't know where our money is, who it's serving, or what service it's providing. In reality, we don't investigate. And to keep the excitement high on the exchanges, talks of "it'll be burned at this time, at that time" follow one after another. **LUNC** never managed to burn these coins, why? Because they themselves say: "Not everyone will get rich." Why? Perhaps it's just another way of saying, "we won't make you rich." **XRP** was supposed to reach $100, right? Hundreds of banks supposedly signed protocols? Isn't this essentially the rich club telling small investors, "you'll wait a lot longer"? When the market suddenly drops, into whose pockets did the **millions from short positions** flow? Whose money became worthless? Where is **ADA coin**, or the other big coins? Those who've filled their pockets will never agree to be robbed. Didn't the owner of **LTC coin** even sell their own holdings? There are no projects, while they talk about the world changing this way and that, some people are just lying in bed scratching their bellies.

No_Election9221

# Cryptocurrencies: Who Are the Real Winners, and Where Does Our Money Go? Can someone please list the people who actually make money from this crypto business? It's always the same old story: "They bought **Bitcoin** at one dollar, ten dollars, a hundred dollars, and they're holding this much." How many people are these? What about the **trillions held in XRP**? Why haven't the **LUNC thieves** been identified? Why aren't stolen or crashed coins and the funds of their rightful owners being refunded? This platform is a club for the rich. Everyone can enter, browse, and look, but they can't fill their pockets. Either exchanges won't let you withdraw your money, or the exchange collapses, or you wake up to news of a "**hack attack**." Then they give you dates, "this time, that time," but that time never comes. They call this **psychological extinction**; you eventually accept the situation, with nowhere to go. Let's see which coins the **SEC** has sued. They need to get their cut. Wake up, humanity! You are paying for the cocktails the wealthy sip in the Caribbean while making money effortlessly. Throughout world history, there has always been a group that just lounges around. After stock exchanges, these platforms were created to exploit and profit 24/7. They are even greedier now; they want to steal more from you. The money they've made isn't enough for them. Isn't this suspicious? More importantly, how do we know that this lost money isn't funding wars or contributing to people's deaths? Who can confirm that the money we gain or lose isn't flowing into a **drug cartel's coffers**? We need to offer people a broader perspective. Boycotts aren't enough. If these patrons see this as a means of valuation, isn't it obvious why they're not raising its value? Why do they so clearly show **BTC**, supposedly a decentralized exchange, fluctuating based on the pronouncements of figures like **Trump** and **Elon Musk**? Could it be that when some people can't make money from traditional trade, they've turned Africa's **blood diamonds** into **blood digital currencies**? Yes, there's no human being, just a digital identity, and no one can trace it. But money is flowing into some people's pockets while others are being robbed. Are Europe's feudal lords or America's plantation owners and slave traders involved in this? Is this money perhaps the wages of modern slaves? When we go to bed at night, we don't know where our money is, who it's serving, or what service it's providing. In reality, we don't investigate. And to keep the excitement high on the exchanges, talks of "it'll be burned at this time, at that time" follow one after another. **LUNC** never managed to burn these coins, why? Because they themselves say: "Not everyone will get rich." Why? Perhaps it's just another way of saying, "we won't make you rich." **XRP** was supposed to reach $100, right? Hundreds of banks supposedly signed protocols? Isn't this essentially the rich club telling small investors, "you'll wait a lot longer"? When the market suddenly drops, into whose pockets did the **millions from short positions** flow? Whose money became worthless? Where is **ADA coin**, or the other big coins? Those who've filled their pockets will never agree to be robbed. Didn't the owner of **LTC coin** even sell their own holdings? There are no projects, while they talk about the world changing this way and that, some people are just lying in bed scratching their bellies.

Ready_Respond_8449

LTC is the fastest? They can say what they want but it’s far from factual. KAS has almost instantaneous transaction speeds and the gas fees are as low as you’ll see. The Devs in $KAS are doing things that were said to be impossible up until now and DAGKNIGHT is still to come. More T1 listings will come soon enough. Being a fair launched coin they need to accumulate the same as we do. That being said they will continue accumulating and suppressing until their bags are full. I’m assuming once SCs launch this summer we’ll see the MC that is well deserved for the best tech in the game. I’ve been DCAing non stop and will be fully ready when the rest of the crypto world wakes up.

xansabar

DOVU, LINK, LTC and small amounts of SXT and KTA. Cant bring myself to give up on SXT yet

LegendaryJohnny

See you in 3 years for next halving. BTC 200k ETH 3.4k tops LTC 78 dollars Some new memecoins 100x up and down in 2 days. Good luck in next draw of crypto lottery

DocKardinal21

LTC does 1,2 and 3 quite well.

biba8163

Alt bagholders have been moving goal posts from "Alt's will moon when BTC breaks previous ATHs" to "Alt's will moon when BTC breaks $100K" to "Alt's will moon when BTC breaks $110K" > Consolidating, when we boom to 110k alts will go bananas (December 2024) https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hcz79l/daily_crypto_discussion_december_13_2024_gmt0/m1uit1k/ > btc to 110k tmr smashing the alts to outerspace. (December 2024) https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hhfmsi/daily_crypto_discussion_december_19_2024_gmt0/m2sq87h/ > BTC dominance can still go higher. We would need a leg up to 110k more or less, consolidate there and then alts will go ballistic (December 2024) https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hcz79l/daily_crypto_discussion_december_13_2024_gmt0/m1wde9n/ > Once BTC is hitting $110K , $120K, $130K, that money will naturally flow down to ETH, then large cap, alts, then micro caps. It’s only natural. The people who don’t want to buy expensive BTC will be in a rush to buy the alts. (February 25) https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1ivnq29/anyone_else_think_were_just_never_getting_a/me9vwlk/ Reminder that this "cycle" is nothing like previous ones. With Institutional, Corporate and TradFi money, BTC's has a strangehold on capital that is not leaving BTC to chase shitcoins. In previous cycles, Alts like ETH, LTC, Doge already had made their biggest gains 1-Year from the Halvening date NOT at EOY next year after halvening. This time around these Alts have actually lost value since halvening, as has the entire Alt marketcap. | ETH | Halvening Date | 1-YR Post Halvening | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | July 2016-17 | $11 | $199 | May 2020-21 | $210 | $2,800 | April 2024-25 | $3,157 | $1,580 | **LTC** | July 2016-17 | $4 | $40 | May 2020-21 | $40 | $377 | April 2024-25 | $85 | $77 | **DOGE** | July 2016-17 | $0.0002 | $0.001 | May 2020-21 | $0.002 | $0.49 | April 2024-25 | $0.16 | $0.15 | **Alt Marketcap** *(Excluding Stablecoins)* | July 2016-17 | $2.05 Billion | $52.17 Billion | May 2020-21 | $74.81 Billion | $1.34 Trillion | April 2024-25 | $1.09 Trillion | $0.76 Trillion

biba8163

Alt bagholders have been moving goal posts from "Alt's will moon when BTC breaks previous ATHs" to "Alt's will moon when BTC breaks $100K" to "Alt's will moon when BTC breaks $110K" > Consolidating, when we boom to 110k alts will go bananas (December 2024) https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hcz79l/daily_crypto_discussion_december_13_2024_gmt0/m1uit1k/ > btc to 110k tmr smashing the alts to outerspace. (December 2024) https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hhfmsi/daily_crypto_discussion_december_19_2024_gmt0/m2sq87h/ > BTC dominance can still go higher. We would need a leg up to 110k more or less, consolidate there and then alts will go ballistic (December 2024) https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hcz79l/daily_crypto_discussion_december_13_2024_gmt0/m1wde9n/ > Once BTC is hitting $110K , $120K, $130K, that money will naturally flow down to ETH, then large cap, alts, then micro caps. It’s only natural. The people who don’t want to buy expensive BTC will be in a rush to buy the alts. (February 25) https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1ivnq29/anyone_else_think_were_just_never_getting_a/me9vwlk/ Reminder that this "cycle" is nothing like previous ones. With Institutional, Corporate and TradFi money, BTC's has a strangehold on capital that is not leaving BTC to chase shitcoins. In previous cycles, Alts like ETH, LTC, Doge already had made their biggest gains 1-Year from the Halvening date NOT at the EOY after halvening. This time around these Alts have actually lost value since halvening, as has the entire Alt marketcap. | ETH | Halvening Date | 1-YR Post Halvening | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | July 2016-17 | $11 | $199 | May 2020-21 | $210 | $2,800 | April 2024-25 | $3,157 | $1,580 | **LTC** | July 2016-17 | $4 | $40 | May 2020-21 | $40 | $377 | April 2024-25 | $85 | $77 | **DOGE** | July 2016-17 | $0.0002 | $0.001 | May 2020-21 | $0.002 | $0.49 | April 2024-25 | $0.16 | $0.15 | **Alt Marketcap** *(Excluding Stablecoins)* | July 2016-17 | $2.05 Billion | $52.17 Billion | May 2020-21 | $74.81 Billion | $1.34 Trillion | April 2024-25 | $1.09 Trillion | $0.76 Trillion

brokendefracul8R

Yeah if I didn’t sell the 12btc, ≈150ETH and ≈300LTC I had back in 2017 I wouldn’t currently be eating cuppanoodles in the dark but here we are

Zealousideal_Age_22

That may not be true. Bitcoin (BTC) is slow as f especially compared to better tech like Litecoin (LTC). Once it took me 4 hours to transfer a small fraction of BTC between wallets. Also the transaction fee for me though not as bad as Ethereum (ETH) is terrible. LTC transaction fee for a burger, fries and drink may be as low as 0.0003. Now if adopted like BTC at scale then I don't know what would change. But yeah as of now at best BTC is similar to buying Gold Bars, no one in their right mind would go to a fast-food restaurant and pay in gold bars nor would they transact with such. I heard LTC is the crypto used by many merchants not BTC. Heck what do I know, I'm just a random person on Reddit sharing opinions.

ir88ed

I was in the crypto game in 2014. There are a few things I learned late, that I wish I knew in 2014. I loved the idea of crypto and never planned on selling regardless of the price. Holding wasn't an issue for me. I just mostly held shit instead of gold. 1. BTC has value. Seems dumb now, but back then I wasn't sure. $1k/coin seemed really expensive. So I mined LTC with my video cards since that was considered the "silver version of BTC's gold", then ETH later with the primary goal of getting a string of great GPU's through the years that made a profit and enabled great gaming. This is my BTC pizza. Lambos >>> GPUs. I should have just bought 10 BTC. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ-yf61mq30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ-yf61mq30) 2. Selling coins for $ is taxable; keep good records. Don't F this up or ignore. IRS doesn't play around. Coinbase and IRS talk to each other. 3. People who care about BTC already do. Don't strain your social connections by trying to talk to people about BTC because they almost always either think you are nuts or are bitter. 4. Sending BTC from coinbase to a wallet can take overnight to show up. At least a couple of sleepless nights for me. Send a small amount first. 5. If buying BTC on an exchange, especially signficant amounts, understand slippage and limit orders. 6. Be educated on how things work before attempting self custody. Coinbase's vault isn't terrible, but ultimately NYKNYC.

mrjune2040

Just buy Monero instead. And for a Ethereum smart contract compatible layer that people actually use buy Railgun. Everything else is just noise imo. And as for LTC- long term trend has basically be negative against BTC for the past 7 years, and that’s from someone who mined it a decade ago- buy Bitcoin and call it a day.

ShipWrect777

And please... don't embarrass yourself by calling Kaspa a "shit coin". Yes, there are a few dirtball social media influencers shilling it. However, there is no marketing team. They're not getting paid to shill it like the real shit coins. Once you actually put in the work to see what Kaspa actually is... any logical person can see. A lot of cryptos, in general, were partially built on the Kaspa founder's research. We are talking Eth, XRP, LTC, etc. Thr Kaspa founders are the most brilliant people in the crypto space... period. Their research has given you a ton of alt coins. Be thankful for them...

jaimewarlock

99% of the population doesn't know the difference between a POW mined coin and a meme coin. Maybe in the far future, but I don't see any more alts seasons for a long time. Exception might be a few of the upper tier POW coins like Dogecoin, B crash, LTC, or Ravencoin.

CynthiaTWilkerson

Totally get the frustration. Some of those alts have been dragging for a while. If you're long-term focused, consolidating into BTC, ETH, and maybe XRP makes sense. It's more liquidity, stronger narratives. ADA, LTC, and HBAR might pump in a cycle, but if conviction's low, rotating now could save the mental drain. I’m also quietly adding A (fka EOS), real infra play, and still under the radar after the rebrand.

InformationOk6569

LTC at $500 🫣

wobbly_willie

I'm essentially in the same boat, but w/ a traditional 401k. I need to roll it over somewhere and have been considering either iTrustCapital or Fidelity, now that they seem to offer a proper Crypto IRA. Fidelity seems like the no-brainer option with its long established track record, but it lacks available crypto assets (BTC,ETH,LTC only) and probably will for a long time. It also would provide more flexibility down the road if you wanted to reallocate some of your IRA into more traditional (or potentially newer) options later down the road, instead of being solely Crypto (+ Precious Metals) specific. Where iTrustCapital seems appealing is their wide range of available crypto assets to choose from. However, I question where they'll be 2-3 decades from now. If they're truly keeping client assets off balance, then maybe it wouldn't be much of an issue if they do go belly-up? It's a tough choice; too many decisions lol .. Have you decided what you want to do yet?

biba8163

The Greed/Fear Index is meaningless now because BTC rise is not driven by retail sentiment 2025 | Holdings | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | ETFs (Global) | $151.22 Billion | Public Companies | $81.57 Billion | Nation States | $57.78 Billion | Private Companies | $43.45 Billion | **Total** | **$334.02 Billion** The BTC 30-Day volatility chart in 2025 looks significantly different from 2017/18 and 2020/2021. The volatility is down significantly. The flow of BTC capital and profits to Alts looks significantly different from 2017 and 2021. With Corporate and Institutional involvement, BTC now has a stranglehold on capital and is choking the Alt Market where previously 1-YR Post Halvening the Total Alt Marketcap grew many fold but this period, the Alt marketcap has actually shrunk. | ETH | Halvening Date | 1-YR Post Halvening | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | July 2016-17 | $11 | $199 | May 2020-21 | $210 | $2,800 | April 2024-25 | $3,157 | $1,580 | **LTC** | July 2016-17 | $4 | $40 | May 2020-21 | $40 | $377 | April 2024-25 | $85 | $77 | **DOGE** | July 2016-17 | $$0.0002 | $$0.001 | May 2020-21 | $$0.002 | $0.49 | April 2024-25 | $0.16 | $0.15 | **Alt Marketcap** *(Excluding Stablecoins)* | July 2016-17 | $2.05 Billion | $52.17 Billion | May 2020-21 | $74.81 Billion | $1.34 Trillion | April 2024-25 | $1.09 Trillion | $0.76 Trillion

Due-Candy-8929

Just FYI Since a year ago : XRP is up 327.7% HBAR 64.2% BTC 48.7% ADA 48.4% LTC 4.8% ETH is down 36.1%

devCheckingIn

Back then I was mining LTC and Dogecoin. Not even sure where it is now. I had quite a bit of Dogecoin.

easily_erased

A) due to its restrictions it doesn't have the kind of futures/derivatives markets of other bluechip alts which tend to lead to manipulation/trend reversion properties B) it is more quantum resistant than other cryptos (even if the threat is overstated). the devs also have a culture of innovation/regular hard forks which could adapt to potential crisis C) mining is much more democratized due to an ASIC-resistant mining algo--anybody can still mine XMR with an average CPU. this relieves some sell pressure as big players aren't selling to fund huge energy intensive operations D) many people see the writing on the wall when it comes to censorship in the West. other cryptos have reasonable privacy features (LTC with MWEB) but Monero is the gold standard. Many bright devs made their way over to XMR from BTC and it fulfills BTC's original ethos in many ways go ahead, buy some XMR 😎 cake wallet makes it super easy to swap from LTC or whatever, no exchange necessary

biba8163

Reminder that we're entering an Era of Bitcoin Dominance and Shitcoin Irrelevance. > The market is changing: ETFs, MSTR, etc account for a lot of the inflows. This money is not going to leave BTC seeking greater return on Alts (Nov. 13, 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/ethfinance/comments/1gq6ahm/daily_general_discussion_november_13_2024/lwymxl9/ | 2025 | Holdings | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | ETFs (Global) | $151.22 Billion | Public Companies | $81.57 Billion | Nation States | $57.78 Billion | Private Companies | $43.45 Billion | **Total** | **$334.02 Billion** > Reminder that TradFi, Institutional, Corporate and Nation State involvement means *BTC has a vice grip stranglehold on capital* -- the end result is very little of BTC profits is flowing to Alts. This will be devastating to big Alts which need huge capital to make any big moves. (February 22, 2025) > *The first casualty is ETH.* > The long term trend is capital is *slowly starting to concentrate into BTC and leaving the Alt coin market behind in the dust.* The astute investor looks at the data recognizes this trend and sticks to BTC. The naive and gullible investor gleefully is walking off the cliff thinking he is walking into the fabled ALT Season. (Feb. 09, 2025) https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1ilgjeg/comment/mbv2t94/ | ETH | Halvening Date | 1-YR Post Halvening | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | July 2016-17 | $11 | $199 | May 2020-21 | $210 | $2,800 | April 2024-25 | $3,157 | $1,580 | **LTC** | July 2016-17 | $4 | $40 | May 2020-21 | $40 | $377 | April 2024-25 | $85 | $77 | **DOGE** | July 2016-17 | $$0.0002 | $$0.001 | May 2020-21 | $$0.002 | $0.49 | April 2024-25 | $0.16 | $0.15 | **Alt Marketcap** *(Excluding Stablecoins)* | July 2016-17 | $2.05 Billion | $52.17 Billion | May 2020-21 | $74.81 Billion | $1.34 Trillion | April 2024-25 | $1.09 Trillion | $0.76 Trillion

biba8163

> You learn something from each cycle. It should be a good year for most coins but the market will turn and crash at some point, so don’t get fomo. People still don't seem to grasp what is happening. > The market is changing: ETFs, MSTR, etc account for a lot of the inflows. This money is not going to leave BTC seeking greater return on Alts (Nov. 13, 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/ethfinance/comments/1gq6ahm/daily_general_discussion_november_13_2024/lwymxl9/ | 2025 | Holdings | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | ETFs (Global) | $151.22 Billion | Public Companies | $81.57 Billion | Nation States | $57.78 Billion | Private Companies | $43.45 Billion | **Total** | **$334.02 Billion** > Reminder that TradFi, Institutional, Corporate and Nation State involvement means *BTC has a vice grip stranglehold on capital* -- the end result is very little of BTC profits is flowing to Alts. This will be devastating to big Alts which need huge capital to make any big moves. (February 22, 2025) > *The first casualty is ETH.* > The long term trend is capital is *slowly starting to concentrate into BTC and leaving the Alt coin market behind in the dust.* The astute investor looks at the data recognizes this trend and sticks to BTC. The naive and gullible investor gleefully is walking off the cliff thinking he is walking into the fabled ALT Season. (Feb. 09, 2025) https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1ilgjeg/comment/mbv2t94/ | ETH | Halvening Date | 1-YR Post Halvening | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | July 2016-17 | $11 | $199 | May 2020-21 | $210 | $2,800 | April 2024-25 | $3,157 | $1,580 | **LTC** | July 2016-17 | $4 | $40 | May 2020-21 | $40 | $377 | April 2024-25 | $85 | $77 | **DOGE** | July 2016-17 | $$0.0002 | $$0.001 | May 2020-21 | $$0.002 | $0.49 | April 2024-25 | $0.16 | $0.15 | **Alt Marketcap** *(Excluding Stablecoins)* | July 2016-17 | $2.05 Billion | $52.17 Billion | May 2020-21 | $74.81 Billion | $1.34 Trillion | April 2024-25 | $1.09 Trillion | $0.76 Trillion

BubbaJolts

Oh I see what you’re saying now. But wouldn’t that be the same thing as saying alt coins are purely based off BTC if you are reflecting it off of that instead if USD..? Since LTC SOL ETH are their own chains… so from clarification, you’re measuring your value off of bit coin even though they are completely different chains and can be seen “independent”not eachother even though they follow similar trends..for now at least?

BubbaJolts

Hmmm what aboooout LTC ETH SOL?

DwightKSchnute

I would wait until October, I hate to think US politics has sway on a global crypto market but that’s where we are right now, and Trump has literally mentioned ADA and XRP that you’re holding in a Truth Social post in regards to the reserve, so you know his followers are gonna buy loads of them. HBAR is a great bet, too. I wouldn’t touch anything except LTC, best of luck.

ObjectiveTreacle4548

Holding XRP, ADA, LTC, ETH, and HBAR has its pros—diversification, potential for a bounce if the market picks up, etc. But honestly, a lot of those (especially ADA, LTC, and HBAR) have been stuck for years and haven't really delivered. Meanwhile, BTC and ETH have proven to be more solid with better long-term traction. What you *could* do (and what I’d probably do in your shoes) is sell part or all of the ones you trust the least (ADA, LTC, HBAR) and DCA that into Bitcoin—or even ETH or MSTR if you're okay with indirect exposure to BTC. MSTR pumps hard when BTC goes up, but keep in mind it also dumps fast when it drops. XRP is more controversial, but if you still believe in its potential, maybe hold a bit. As for ETH, I’d personally keep it—it’s got staking, it’s a DeFi king, and long-term, it still looks solid. Bottom line: if you're tired of watching your portfolio go nowhere, rotating into BTC/ETH or MSTR could give you more peace of mind and better upside. Sometimes simplifying your portfolio is the way to go. Hang in there and keep pushing forward!

alfchaval

This sideways market can be frustrating, especially when you’re holding solid projects like ADA, LTC, HBAR, and they’re just not moving like you’d hoped. If you’re feeling stuck, it’s not a bad idea to reassess. DCAing into Bitcoin makes a lot of sense long-term, especially with the institutional momentum it’s gaining. ETH and XRP still have strong use cases too, so keeping exposure there is reasonable. If you feel more confident in BTC, ETH, and maybe MSTR as a proxy play, shifting out of the slower movers like ADA, LTC, and HBAR could simplify your portfolio and align it better with where you see conviction.

Mammoth-Barracuda559

Any thoughts on older coins like LTC,XLM,TRX

biba8163

> Too reactionary, not enough logic. Hopium is not logic. You're either a noob or can't tell heads from tails looking at the data that is telling you what is happending. > *"The Cycles are playing out just the same. Alts always lag behind."* | ETH | Halvening Date | 1-YR Post Halvening | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | July 2016-17 | $11 | $199 | May 2020-21 | $210 | $2,800 | April 2024-25 | $3,157 | $1,580 | **LTC** | July 2016-17 | $4 | $40 | May 2020-21 | $40 | $377 | April 2024-25 | $85 | $77 | **DOGE** | July 2016-17 | $$0.0002 | $$0.001 | May 2020-21 | $$0.002 | $0.49 | April 2024-25 | $0.16 | $0.15 | **Alt Marketcap** *(Excluding Stablecoins)* | July 2016-17 | $2.05 Billion | $52.17 Billion | May 2020-21 | $74.81 Billion | $1.34 Trillion | April 2024-25 | $1.09 Trillion | $0.76 Trillion

biba8163

*"The Cycles are playing out just the same. Alts always lag behind."* | ETH | Halvening Date | 1-YR Post Halvening | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | July 2016-17 | $11 | $199 | May 2020-21 | $210 | $2,800 | April 2024-25 | $3,157 | $1,580 | **LTC** | July 2016-17 | $4 | $40 | May 2020-21 | $40 | $377 | April 2024-25 | $85 | $77 | **DOGE** | July 2016-17 | $$0.0002 | $$0.001 | May 2020-21 | $$0.002 | $0.49 | April 2024-25 | $0.16 | $0.15 | **Alt Marketcap** *(Excluding Stablecoins)* | July 2016-17 | $2.05 Billion | $52.17 Billion | May 2020-21 | $74.81 Billion | $1.34 Trillion | April 2024-25 | $1.09 Trillion | $0.76 Trillion

ZedZeroth

There was a period of renewed innovation around 2011-2015 when developers were genuinely experimenting to create potentially better/different mechanisms to bitcoin. Coins like LTC/XMR/ETH and many more were developed with this objective. As people started buying into these new ideas, scammers quickly realised that 99.999% of investors had virtually zero understanding of the underlying tech (which is to be expected as it's new and complicated). At that point, there was a shift towards creating coins with no intention of having significant technical differences or advantages, but marketing them with nonsensical techno-babble, which sounded convincing to investors. Mostly revolving around fake solutions to the blockchain trilemma. 99.9% of coins then became a method for both developers and savvy/early investors to make money from endless pump and dump schemes, while the majority of investors lost everything that they invested. I think this system has now shifted more into tokens and NFTs rather than entirely new coins/blockchains, as they're so much easier for scammers to develop. I feel like a valid distinction between the term "altcoin" and "shitcoin" could be based on the developers' intentions, but obviously that's very hard to prove and quite subjective.

Majestic-Tadpole8458

Pretty easy to swap. Buy LTC and exchange in cake wallet

biba8163

> Nobody knows Everything points to the 4-year having broken down. A lot of the Cycle Truisms failed to occur and broke down. - BTC never falls below previous ATH (fell well below $20K) - BTC will make new ATH 7-9+ months after halvening (BTC broke ATH pre-halvening and went like 30% above ATHs in the halvening year itself) - BTC did 150% in 2023 and 120% in 2024 in what was supposed to be a bear market The game changed: - Logically the impact of miners subsidies halvening should have very little impact now. - Many miners are not selling and some are actually borrowing to buy BTC - MSTR and BTC and ETFs have $190 Billion in BTC have changed 100% sentiment driven retail investing and capital flows into Altcoins I've been saying the cycle's have broken down since July last year while Alt investors keep moving the goal posts saying Alts will start mooning in December, January, February....Spring....EOY. > Exactly what is wrong? We are crabbing like we always do post-halving. (July 2024) > Agree to disagree. > - 2016 we crabbed at ~$600 range post halvening for months until EOY > - 2020 we crabbed at ~$10K range post halvening for months until EOY > - 2024 we hit ATH pre-halvening and we're starting to crab near ATHs https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1eellzp/daily_crypto_discussion_july_29_2024_gmt0/lfhdf1d/ > Noobs who weren't around in 2016 and 2020, you should know that 2024 looks very very different so far than at this time frame in 2016 and 2020. (Nov. 5, 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1gkfvzs/bitcoin_price_crushing_altcoins_heading_into_us/lvlrry1/ > The market is changing: ETFs, MSTR, etc account for a lot of the inflows. This money is not going to leave BTC seeking greater return on Alts (Nov. 13, 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/ethfinance/comments/1gq6ahm/daily_general_discussion_november_13_2024/lwymxl9/ > Each cycle is a bit different. Too many people are saying, just hold on to your coins, it's playing out exactly the same. (Nov. 13, 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1gqexix/why_are_there_so_few_active_users_when_btc_is_at/lwxx36a/ > Be careful of people telling you this cycle is playing out exactly the same. ETFs, institutional and mainstream involvement, memecoins, L2 options and ETH competitors, it's very different (Nov. 19, 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1gujmk1/daily_crypto_discussion_november_19_2024_gmt0/lxyt5pw/ In no cycle has BTC marketcap has BTC dominance gone up this much at this point when the Total Alt Coin Marketcap is actually down -30% from 4 years ago in the previous cycle. > *"Most altcoins barely even moved before Feb-march last cycle"* (January 2025) > If you only entered late last cycle, please don't make things up > - ETH reached ATH on January 25, 2021 last cycle > https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/l4bo67/eth_breaks_ath_of_1440/ > - ADA went from $0.05 in the summer of the halvening to $0.35 by that time last cycle > - BNB went from $15 range to $100 by that time last cycle > - DOT went from $5 in December to $16 by that time last cycle > - LTC went from ~$50 in late 2020 to $170 by that time last cycle > All while the halvening has been 1 month earlier this cycle so in terms of cycles we're in mid-Februrary already if you believe we are still having cycles https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1i7q0z8/daily_crypto_discussion_january_23_2025_gmt0/m8rj5qq/

panthera_N

Coins that did not appear on r/cc but were praised when the price was at its peak include AIZ16, FARTCOIN, SUI, SOLANA, XRP, HBAR, LINK, LTC 🤣🤣🤣

Octavio_belise

Last time BTC was at 109k, ETH was at $4k and LTC was $140. Seems like the rising tide has stopped on the alts.

jawni

Especially in the specific case of Cardano getting an ETF, as it doesn't have a narrative (like BTC=digital gold/SoV or ETH=digital oil/programmable money, LTC=digital silver) for investors to buy into and doesn't have strong fundamentals like Solana's revenue generation or ETH's "ultrasoundness" with it's favorable tokenomics. I think volume will be very poor for an ADA ETF.

SameWeekend13

Specially my Litecoin (LTC) atleast coming closer to ATH.

Appropriate_Pop_2043

BTC-Gold LTC-Silver

Gig-a-bit

Based on my entry date and current price, I’m gonna be in ETH and LTC for that long! 🤣