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Ok_Wrap5233

To be honest I don’t know why anyone who is investing any meaningful amount of money in bitcoin would hold their own keys instead of just buying an ETF now they’re available. So much can go irreparably wrong it just makes sense to make it the responsibility of an organisation that has a legal obligation to you and is bound by government regulations and protections and spends millions on security rather than writing down 12 words on a piece of paper and hoping none of the thousands of things that could go wrong do go wrong.

BuildWithJohnny

Great breakdown. I'd add one more layer Delta neutral positioning. Institutions often buy ETF shares while shorting BTC futures to capture the basis. Net BTC demand 0 but AUM grows. Real spot buying only happens if they unwind hedges or if basis turns negative. Also ETF inflows are sticky they don't all hit spot at once. Think of it as a slow bleed into supply not a tsunami.

CreatineAddiction

Look at which ETFs wallstreet has created and start there. I dont mean invest in the ETF you should still hold your own crypto but these have been identified by "smart money" to be money makers not a bunch of tards on reddit. Then DCA at your own pace.

DonTheHolder

Bro running off with Bitcoin on wallets is stupid. However, ETF would have slowed or stopped this completely.

ReceptionSmall9941

A lot of ETF flow gets absorbed through hedging and OTC inventory first, so the tape can look flat even with positive net inflows. Price usually reacts when those flows persist while leverage and macro risk-off pressure both ease.

daahliasol

The 130 million in single day ETF inflows is a strong signal that institutional money is starting to take ETH seriously again after months of sitting on the sidelines. Cumulative net inflows hitting 11.76 billion representing almost 5 percent of market cap shows this is not just speculation but actual allocation. The question is whether this momentum sustains or if it is just a reaction to the broader market rally. Has there been any breakdown of which ETF providers are driving the bulk of these inflows?

OkBuy4754

You're spotting liquidity traps. I trade this divergence. My algo profits from the price lag between spot and ETF creation/destruction flows.

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Post is by: SmartBunBun and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1rltvrf/why_isnt_bitcoin_pumping_despite_billions_flowing/ Something I can’t quite figure out lately. Over the past few days, spot Bitcoin ETFs reportedly absorbed around **$1.4B in inflows**, yet BTC price barely moved. Normally that kind of demand should push price higher… right? A few explanations I’ve seen floating around: **1. The ETF creation mechanism might delay price impact** Authorized participants can sometimes **short ETF shares first**, then buy BTC later to create shares. So the buying pressure doesn’t always hit the spot market immediately. **2. Liquidity is already extremely concentrated** The spot ETF market is now around $130B AUM, but BlackRock’s IBIT controls \~57% of the trading volume. That raises the question whether flows are actually diversified or mostly cycling through the same channels. **3. Macro sentiment still dominates** Bitcoin has been in a pretty rough stretch recently, with months of losses and persistent fear sentiment, which might be offsetting ETF demand. Another interesting piece is that Morgan Stanley is reportedly preparing its own Bitcoin ETF entry, which could add another large distributor to the ecosystem. But I'm not sure whether that actually changes anything. So I'm curious what people here think: **Why isn’t BTC reacting more strongly to ETF inflows?** Is it: • ETF mechanics • macro sentiment • market makers hedging • or something else entirely? Would love to hear different perspectives. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

jawni

>Recently there have been reports of net inflows into SOL-related ETF products SOL ETFs have almost exclusively had net inflow days: https://solanafloor.com/etf-tracker#solana-etf (set to 1D and then expand the selection at the bottom to include everything) I think it is relatively impoartant to track, just like tracking the flow of funds between chains, but for different reasons.

dexoyo

In my experience, moving average works better with ETF, not crypto. Its not an institution that gets impact with its performance. Cryptos are all about sentiments. You see the trend up, make a trade and take your profits before it all comes crashing back again.

TredraRamset

Io ti consiglierei di iniziare a studiarti qualcosa come obbligazioni o ETF globali da poter aggiungere al tuo portafoglio per mitigare un po la volatilità. Ci sono molti studi e paper su portafoglio con strategia diverse, potresti farti un idea.

watch-nerd

BlackRock cares about ETF fees. Why would they want a fork?

Bobster_O

If your capital is mainly tied in stock brokers, perhaps a simple ETF like IBIT, ETHA would be an easy way to get exposure to BTC and ETH. Crypto stocks like COIN, HOOD works well for exposure too. They are solid companies in the crypto space.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Bitwise Asset Management has donated $233,000 to Bitcoin development groups, marking its second annual contribution tied to its Bitcoin ETF profits. The funds, representing 10% of the ETF's gross profits, will be distributed through Brink, OpenSats, and the Human Rights Foundation Bitcoin Development Fund. These organizations support Bitcoin's open-source development, security, and infrastructure. Bitwise credits the ETF's growth and investor support for enabling the donation, reinforcing its commitment to Bitcoin's ecosystem and development community. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

BuildWithJohnny

Solid approach. For a 3/5 year horizon with an 8/12% allocation I'd suggest. 1. Bitcoin (BTC) Core holding digital gold institutional gateway. 2. Ethereum (ETH) Smart contract leader deep liquidity ETF potential. 3. Solana (SOL) High speed growing ecosystem institutional traction. 4. One infra play like Chainlink (LINK) or a major L2 like Arbitrum (ARB). 5. Possibly a small bet on a macro play like Ondo or Maker if you want RWA exposure. DCA in on pullbacks store in self-custody and rebalance occasionally. Welcome to the circus.

Savings-Leading4618

unpopular opinion but, maybe put some BTC into an exchange, or a bitcoin ETF, like the blackrock one. That would be the simplest way to handle that. Not only it would be harder to get stolen or lost, it would make it easier tax wise. Yes, you get other risks by doing that, but if one of your main goals is to ensure your parents or wife will get your BTC, that would be my best guess. Specially if they are not tech savy, cause even if you do everything perfectly and they recieve your detailed instructions how to get the BTC from the trezor, they still might: * send the BTC to a wrong adress and lose it forever. * They might ask for help to someone, and get robbed without knowing it. * They could mess up their taxes badly, and get in trouble with the Tax man.

LACRIMLACRIM

Yea just read the yahoo news article how Jane Street is supressing Crypto prices via ETF mechanisms and past crypto ties

harvested

You don't start an ETF to compete with an already established and saturated market unless... unless you're expecting some serious AUM.

cashflashmil

Yeah, short squeeze is definitely a big part of this move, but calling it ‘just noise’ is oversimplifying it. We’ve got real ETF inflows and macro liquidity shifting in the background. I still think we’re in a broader winter, but these ‘noise’ moves are exactly where the real positioning happens

cashflashmil

I don’t think it’s a pure bull trap, but it’s not full‑on spring either. There’s real ETF inflow and a big short squeeze behind this move, so it’s not just fake liquidity. But macro is still tight and sentiment is still fearful. I’d treat this as a strong bounce inside a broader winter, not the start of a clean new bull market.

cashflashmil

A mix of things. ETF inflows, institutions allocating again, and a lot of sidelined capital waiting for momentum. Once price starts moving, liquidity kind of attracts more liquidity. And of course… a bit of good old FOMO.

Financial_Design_801

Latest filing today for the Morgan Stanley Bitcoin Trust ETF: "The Bank of New York Mellon (“BNY”) and Coinbase Custody Trust Company, LLC are the bitcoin custodians for the Trust and will hold all of the Trust’s bitcoin on the Trust’s behalf." Why this matters: Morgan Stanley has $8 trillion in advisory assets, even a 1% allocation is $80 billion in flows which is more than current ETFs Regardless your feelings about ETFs or Bitcoin, “skate to where the puck is going” or get left behind

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Post is by: Responsible_Potato76 and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/HodlyCrypto/comments/1rkra0p/bitcoin_surges_past_73k_what_this_means_for/ Bitcoin has officially reclaimed the $73,000 level today, March 4, 2026. As of now, BTC is trading around $73,200, up 7.2% in the last 24 hours. 24-hour trading volume has exploded to roughly $68-75 billion, pushing Bitcoin’s market cap above $1.46 trillion. Three clear forces right now: 1. Haven demand amid escalating geopolitical tensions, investors rotating into Bitcoin as “digital gold” while traditional markets remain under pressure. 2. Strong ETF inflows, US spot Bitcoin ETFs recorded $458 million in net inflows on March 2 alone (the strongest recent daily figure), with BlackRock’s IBIT alone pulling in $263 million. This institutional buying pressure has been consistent and is clearly supporting the breakout. 3. Major banks joining the ETF race, JP Morgan Chase has stepped up big time, now offering direct access to Bitcoin and Ethereum ETFs through its J.P. Morgan Self-Directed Investing platform and significantly boosting its own holdings in spot Bitcoin ETFs (up 64% to $343 million in BlackRock’s IBIT alone in recent filings). Additional fuel came from \~$400 million in short liquidations over the past day, accelerating the move higher. Sudden +7% pumps can feel exciting, but they also test discipline. History shows these ETF-driven rallies, especially with big banks like JP Morgan getting more involved, often mark periods of accumulation. With thin order books above $73K (limited sell walls up to $80K in some analyses), momentum could continue, but volatility remains elevated. Despite today’s strong surge past $73K, there is still significant risk in the market. We are in a US midterm election year, and history shows these years are often extremely volatile and painful for Bitcoin, with major drawdowns in past cycles (2014, 2018, 2022). And yet… this year is the perfect year to accumulate Bitcoin. I know how heavy the uncertainty feels right now, the headlines screaming, the charts swinging, but this is exactly the kind of environment where patient holders quietly build life-changing positions. Stay calm. Accumulate wisely. Not financial advice. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

gorewndis

You're pointing at something real. The volume profile right now is almost entirely algorithmic. Retail is checked out, and institutional money is sitting in structured products that don't show up on CEX order books. The dangerous part is that low-volume environments amplify moves in both directions. A real catalyst - regulatory clarity, ETF flows resuming, a major protocol upgrade - can move prices 20% in a day because there's nobody on the other side of the book. People calling this boring are the same people who'll be shocked when it moves. The boring part is the setup. The move is what follows.

andys811

I'm not sure if it will be the same in US as UK and there's a slight catch but with an imo easy work around. Trading212 offers a card that has both auto invest cashback and invest spare change (which is round up). It's a debit card and you receive 1.5% cashback. The catch is it only auto invests into shares not crypto, however you can set it to auto invest into a Bitcoin ETF, the ETF will track the price and then you can either just hold the ETF or after some time just sell the ETF and use the money to buy actual BTC. Credit card options are still a good choice however if you get more cashback from them, which isn't the case in the UK from what I've looked at. Not only do you get the cashback but you will also earn interest on the money you spend up until the due date, just make sure you pay off the full balance statement or it won't be worth it

BacchusAndHamsa

Crypto ETF with very low fees.

CD_Team_Official

We’ve been in crypto long enough to know extreme readings don’t last forever. When the Fear & Greed Index stays in single digits, it usually means forced sellers are exhausted and sentiment is fully washed out. That doesn’t guarantee a 90% move, but it does signal asymmetry. In Jan 2023, most people were calling for lower, not a doubling in three months. ETF outflows, tariff headlines, and even noise around guys like [Vitalik Buterin](chatgpt://generic-entity?number=0) dumping can amplify fear, but those are often lagging reactions, not leading indicators. I’m not blindly buying either, but historically when retail is silent and liquidity is thin, risk/reward starts shifting. Position sizing and patience matter more than predictions.

Double_Software829

👀ETF inflows breaking records since October

FnAardvark

Sorry, I should explain it's tax exempt status better. It is 99% tax exempt from state and local taxes because it's income is derived almost entirely from US. The federal tax still applies, because the federal government is greedy as hell. Either way, it's better than a HSA or MM account. treasuries.https://www.wisdomtree.com/api/sitecore/pdf/getblogpdf?id=ea35c00f-b8e9-45e6-9faf-ab91123090a8#:~:text=However%2C%20one%20structural%20characteristic%20is,they%20purchased%20the%20ETF%20shares.

Premium_Hunter

Technically, the ETF did buy it. It's not BlackRock's money, but saying "BlackRock ETF buys xxxx" is a factual statement. However, I imagine OP thinks it is BlackRock's money.

Silent_Draft190

Strange how all that institutional ETF capital keeps buying something with ‘no value.’ I’ll revisit this comment in 5 years time.

Silent_Draft190

Strange how all that institutional ETF capital keeps buying something with ‘no value.’ I’ll revisit this comment in 5 years time.

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bobbyv137

I generally fucking hate threads like this as they're often meaningless. And FWIW, when reporting such numbers, it should always include net inflows to make a point, not simply volume. If an ETF has "bought" $1bn of BTC but sold $1.2bn, it's moot.

0xZennite

The ETF flow reversal is the key signal here imo. Retail panic sells while institutions quietly accumulate — it's been the pattern at every major bottom this cycle. The $65-67K BTC zone lines up well with the 200-day MA acting as support, which historically has been a strong accumulation area in bull markets. I'd keep an eye on whether the ETF inflow trend holds for another week or two before getting too aggressive though.

Electrical-Value-673

Sorry, you were right. I figured it out and it's no ETF on De Giro, it's actual Bitcoin I'm holding! Thanks for this!

Due-Price1035

People forget that ETF inflows slowly remove BTC from the market. It doesn’t move the price instantly, but over time supply gets tighter.

Moist-Self5666

XRP is not a token that banks need to buy and hold. XRP is an On Demand Liquidity provider that is only used when required. The sender's currency (lets say USD) is converted to XRP, transferred across the XRPL (Ledger) and then the receiver can convert the XRP back into a currency of their choice (lets say Yen). The transaction happen inside 7 seconds and then the XRP is returned into the ecosystem minus a portion that is burned. This gradually reduces supply and price gradually appreciates. It's important to note that Total Supply is very different to Circulating Supply. Price is pushed higher the more that the circulating supply is reduced and demand is increased through usage.  Financial institutions (investment companies, pension funds, hedge funds etc) hold XRP ETF's which in turn reduce circulating supply greatly. Retail HODLers help to reduce circulating supply to a lesser degree also (retail accounts for around 2% over XRP in cold storage). So XRP's price appreciation is totally reliant on utility and demand verses available circulating supply. This why price is still low. XRP is only being used to a tiny fraction of its intended intended usage currently. The SEC court case held it back for years and ongoing lack of regulatory clarity is still an issue holding many banks and institutions back from adopting it fully. Its not that they don't want to adopt it fully, they just need all of the boxed ticked first. XRP as a bridge asset needs a high and stable price to operate efficiently on the XRPL, free from the volatility of the markets. It's utility driven price values will be less influenced by market flows as usage increases, supply tightens and Liquidity increases.  XRP will re-price in line with utility demand not market movement and will be very stable during the periods in between re-pricing. It's a new technology that most people just don't understand. Participants in the retail sector of crypto have only understood it up to now as being like any other cheap casino chip to be bought and sold for profit. That was never XRP's purpose. It was never created for retail trading. It's just ironic that that is where it's still at currently. But XRP is slowing being installed as the core plumbing of the global financial infrastructure and it's still very early days. There's another 5 to 10 years to go yet before this is fully complete and fully operational. That's when XRP will reach values like $10,000 or $100,000 and beyond even. But it will appreciate dramatically in the meantime, hitting triple digits and 4 digits along the way. Monica Long of Ripple has stated that XRP will be fully adopted by the end of 2026. After that it's just a case how quickly actual usage increases and high value tractions flow across the XRPL. And it's not just about cross border payments any more. XRPL is now capable of handling the upcoming boom in RWA (Real World Assets) and digital tokenisation. That vastly expands XRP's usage case and utility demand. Which in turn requires a higher value for XRP. Naysayers bang on about Market Cap but that's an outdated argument. Market Cap is irrelevant to digital assets and a new metric will be needed in its place. Other than that the sky is limit for XRP's price value over the coming decades. 

Suguha_chan

It will rise slower over time, where there won't be much difference compared to an ETF. Bitcoin is a store of wealth, not a working asset. The reason why it surges so much currently is because money is flowing into it and its currently in the stage of developing into a worldwide store of wealth. In that stage it goes up strongly, but once it got a good chunk of the worlds wealth, it probably won't rise as much anymore and it will become more stable. Once that point is reached, ETFs might be the better choice for capital gains.

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Post is by: sunny8888 and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1rjzzy3/fear_greed_at_extreme_fear_etf_flows_quietly/ The sentiment-to-flow divergence right now is one of the most interesting setups in this cycle. Fear & Greed is deep in Extreme Fear, but the institutional money is telling a different story. **Key data points:** * BTC spot ETF: flipped from $1.6B outflows to $787M inflows in one week * SOL spot ETFs: $1B+ cumulative inflows, with Fidelity and Morgan Stanley now in * CRO: 1,111% WoW spike in whale transactions >$100K * KITE: +11.2% last week while broader market was -0.7% **Technical levels I'm watching:** * **BTC ($65-67K):** 200-day MA trending up, 50-day SMA providing daily support. Accumulation zone. * **ETH (\~$2K):** 60% below ATH. Break above $3K opens path to $4,500-$6,200 per analyst consensus. * **SOL (\~$80):** Descending channel, but $75-85 support holding. $110 breakout is the confirmation level. Alpenglow upgrade this quarter. * **KITE (\~$0.26):** ATH of $0.30 set Feb 26. Mainnet Q1 2026. AI payment infrastructure narrative. * **CRO (\~$0.08):** Falling wedge, RSI near 35. Classic reversal setup with whale accumulation. Historically, the best risk/reward entries happen when sentiment is this fearful and institutional flows start quietly reversing. That's exactly what the data is showing right now. Full analysis: [https://www.cryptobull.org/hot-coins/hot-coins-2026](https://www.cryptobull.org/hot-coins/hot-coins-2026) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

ReliantToker

THE "AMERICAN HASH" ACCELERATION ​While the market focuses on ETF flows and price candles, the real story for March 2026 is the rapid "industrialization" of the network’s security. Today, American Bitcoin Corp (ABTC)—a major player in the US mining space—announced a massive purchase of over 11,000 next-generation ASICs. ​This isn't just a hardware upgrade; it’s a strategic play to push their owned capacity to 28.1 EH/s. What’s most interesting for HODLers is the efficiency: these new machines operate at 13.5 J/TH. To put that in perspective, these miners were producing Bitcoin at a 53% discount to spot prices throughout late 2025. ​This signals a major trend for 2026: the "survival of the most efficient." As weak miners get flushed out by the 2024 halving's lingering effects, the professional, publicly traded firms are scooping up market share and securing the network on a scale we’ve never seen. The "hashrate" isn't just a number on a chart; it represents billions of dollars in physical, un-fudgeable infrastructure that makes Bitcoin the most secure network in human history. ​Daily Fun Fact ​In a major milestone for "Circular Economies," the city of Lugano and Tether officially launched Plan ₿ Phase II today. This four-year expansion aims to turn the Swiss city into a global hub for digital infrastructure, moving beyond simple payments to integrating Bitcoin-native protocols directly into the city's banking and enterprise ledgers. Late post. Very busy day 😒

Ourcrypto_news

$38.7M inflow into Ethereum ETFs pushing ETH past $2k shows **institutional demand still matters**. ETF capital can trigger momentum and break technical patterns, making short-term moves sharper than retail activity alone.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; U.S. spot Bitcoin ETFs experienced a resurgence with $458 million in daily inflows on March 2, marking the first positive day of the month after a four-week outflow streak. Weekly net inflows reached $787.3 million by February 27, reversing a $2.48 billion outflow. BlackRock's IBIT led with $263.2 million, followed by Fidelity's FBTC and Bitwise's BITB. Institutional demand appears to be driving this recovery, with U.S. funds now holding approximately 1.5 million BTC, about 7% of the maximum supply. Bitcoin prices rose to $67,000–$68,000 amid this ETF-driven accumulation. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

Next_Explanation_657

1) Ripple did away with XRP being required for cross-border transactions. In fact they made RLUSD the default asset on Ripple Payments (what banks use when partnering with Ripple). 2) Theoretically Ripple is able to control price but it's never been proven as shown in the SEC case. Brad and Mr Larson each control 5x the ETF's total value they could have an influence by themselves if it wasn't a major problem. 3) At one time it used to be a common goal for XRP to take X% of Swifts business. Now that goal has shifted to Ripple Payments fulfilling it and Brad says about 15%. 1) Needing to own XRP is a common misconception. It used to be that way, but nowadays Liquidity Partners can take care of that function. 2) The coin doesn't need to be specific amount 3) They can't openly control the price, it could be highly problematic if it could be proven.but technically the price wouldn't matter. It's just more or less coins required. I think you're missing the whole idea that there's been a dramatic shift. The "intended use" of XRP is quickly giving way to RLUSD/Stablecoins and other asset types. We have all witnessed the massive efforts put on by Ripple to the tune of billions in aquisitions, software upgrades, sales focus ... (see link to Monica's piece below). https://ripple.com/insights/2026-crypto-predictions/

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Ethereum's price broke above the $1,997 resistance level, fueled by $38.69 million in ETF inflows, marking the largest single-day institutional buying since late February. Open interest surged 6.03% to $25.82 billion, and trading volume increased by 22.08% to $61.70 billion. The bullish momentum is supported by a breakout from a symmetrical triangle pattern and a shift in derivatives positioning toward long positions. Ethereum is now targeting the $2,100 level, with key resistance at $2,589 and $2,722-$2,982 clusters. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Bitcoin's recent rebound has sparked debate on whether it's a bull trap or the start of a prolonged crypto winter. Analysts are divided, with some pointing to historical patterns and on-chain signals. Bitcoin's price movements, including a potential bottom near prior cycle peaks, suggest a relief rally could occur unless broader market downturns intervene. Speculation about U.S. crypto tax changes and ETF asset declines also influence market sentiment. Bitcoin currently trades at $66,822, with key resistance and support levels in focus. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

map3k

Maybe it depends on local legislature but at least for European (UCITs) funds, a fund/ETF must declare what the actual holdings are. Most funds will also declare in their customer-facing materials whether they are “physical” (they hold the thing) or replicating/swap-based.

pronebonedetector

Are they required to buy bitcoin at 1:1 ratio to the money people put into the ETF, or do they buy $1 of BTC for every $10k people put in. This is something I know nothing about

biophysicsguy

The ETFs are required to buy Bitcoin when you buy shares of the ETF, which is why the shares follow Bitcoin's price movements. As an owner of the shares, you don't actually own Bitcoin but you own an asset that has the same price movement.

Ok-Meaning-7061

The thing is millionaires usually have their money tied up on investments that create them passive income. So it's not like they have money just lying around that they can buy BTC. And most still buy and sell there stocks bonds ETF and crypto so its not like they are keeping it forever ... only a very small few do this

ImpressiveRelief37

Bought equivalent to 0.35 BTC around 65K in my ETF for tax season. Meaningless for my stack but still happy.

ReceptionSmall9941

If PMI keeps rebounding while macro risk stays elevated, BTC liquidity can stay bid but intraday swings will probably stay violent. Watching funding and spot ETF flows together seems key here.

ZerkerDE

Dave Ramsays target audience are financial retards (yes I said it). His target audience really shouldn't buy Crypto at all. If someone knows what an ETF is they are well past his target audience.

_millenialcrisis

Nah bro, calling BTC *only* a store of value is kinda outdated. The digital gold narrative makes sense because of fixed supply and halvings. But in reality BTC trades like a macro asset most of the time. It moves with liquidity, rates, ETF flows, risk-on risk-off sentiment. Most of the serious volume isn’t even spot. It’s futures, options, perp markets driving price discovery. A lot of top crypto KOLs like Evan Luthra and Arthur Hayes have pointed out that BTC’s role shifts every cycle. Sometimes hedge narrative. Sometimes pure risk asset. Depends on the macro backdrop. So yeah, store of value is one layer. But saying that’s all it is ignores how the market actually trades it.

Easik

Yes. Everyone that's long and on leverage in the US stock market will get margin called and need to find liquidity. Risk on assets are sold first. There will also be mass selling of US equities & BTC ETF outflow.

Inevitable_Pin7755

Yeah I think 100k is possible again. Not guaranteed, but possible. People forget how fast sentiment flips in crypto. One month everyone is calling for 40k. Next month we’re 25 percent higher and the same people are suddenly bullish again. It does not take much. A bit of liquidity, some ETF inflows, macro easing, and things can move quick. BTC doesn’t grind slowly forever. It compresses and then just rips. The funny thing is when too many people are waiting for 40k, it often never comes. Markets love frustrating the majority. If everyone has bids lower, price usually runs just high enough to make them chase. I’ve seen that play out so many times it’s boring at this point. Humans don’t change. That said, if we do hit 100k again, I wouldn’t assume it just keeps going vertically. Big round numbers attract profit taking. A lot of people are mentally anchored there. So the real question is not can we hit it. It’s what do you do if we do. Have a plan before it happens. Otherwise you’ll watch it, screenshot it, tweet about it, and then round trip gains. I’ve done that before. Not fun. I break this stuff down properly in my newsletter for people in London trying to build real wealth without delusion. If you’re serious about money and not just vibes, check my profile and have a look.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Bitcoin is on the verge of its first six-month red streak since 2018, with its price dropping to around $65,500, a 48% decline from its late 2025 high. The downturn is attributed to U.S. tariff concerns, rising gold prices, $3.8 billion in ETF outflows in February, and slow regulatory progress. This situation mirrors the 2018 crypto winter. While long-term fundamentals remain intact, short-term pressures persist, and investors are closely monitoring macroeconomic indicators, ETF flows, and regulatory developments for potential recovery signals. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

TheresNoSecondBest

Welcome aboard. We all have been where you're at right now. Read/bookmark this guide and make sure to learn along your journey. Congrats on the move, it's never too late, [despite new people thinking otherwise](https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/rskpuf/i_have_only_600_bitcoinsi_missed_the_bus/). ONLY INVEST MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE. Invest in your knowledge, learn about Bitcoin as much as you can. The Bitcoin Standard book is a must read. So is Broken Money by Lyn Alden. Also, **don't reply any DMs**, emails, private messages on other social media, promising to buy Bitcoin from them or get rich quick by investing into some website. They all are scammers. Even the hot Asian chick, he's a scammer too. **Price wise, nobody knows what the price will be tomorrow, next week or at the end of the year.** **Try "Bitcoin ONLY" strategy for at least the first 210,000 block cycle**, you'll sleep much better. Newcomers lose so much money, holding garbage tokens just because someone on YT told them to. If you don't like losing money in [failed coins](https://www.coingecko.com/research/publications/how-many-cryptocurrencies-failed), avoid. Going DCA is probably the best approach, IMHO. Once a week works best for me, but I'm getting paid weekly. If there's a 10% drop in the price since my last buy, I usually double my buy. This [DCA calculator](https://21vox.com/dca-calculator) might help to decide what will work best for you. In a few years, even $10 dollars a month can make a massive difference. This [DCA blog](https://er-bybitcoin.com/) is pretty interesting too and compares buying bitcoin VS stocks. Now, don't buy some fake bitcoin at a spot ETF place or similar, **get the real thing** that you can withdraw anytime you want. Register at a proper exchange and buy real Bitcoin. Any of these will do [https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin](https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin) Install (or buy - in case you're getting Bitcoin in Thousands of $) one or more of these wallets. **A few good wallet choices:** [https://blockstream.com/app/](https://blockstream.com/app/) \- Top Security Features, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://bluewallet.io](https://bluewallet.io/) \- excellent, easy to use wallet, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://www.sparrowwallet.com](https://www.sparrowwallet.com) - top desktop wallet [https://electrum.org](https://electrum.org/) \- Solid choice, Open Source and Non-Custodial, one of the oldest and most trusted Bitcoin Wallets. I prefer the desktop version but it works on mobile too. **Lightning wallets** to consider (cheaper and faster transactions, great for small amounts): [https://phoenix.acinq.co/](https://phoenix.acinq.co/) \- Phoenix - very good wallet, uses Tor for extra privacy, easy for anyone new [https://blixtwallet.github.io/](https://blixtwallet.github.io/) \- Blixt - great UI, fast and clean. The app runs a full LND node on your phone and you have the ability to easily open channels to whatever nodes you like. [https://zeusln.com/](https://zeusln.com/) Zeus - impressive wallet with many features, can even generate Nostr keys [https://breez.technology](https://breez.technology/) \- Breez - excellent POS for small business owners as well as integrated Bitrefill Note: Breez does also a hybrid liquid/LN wallet called Misty Breez - the sats being on liquid means no need for channels although the payments take a few extra seconds. You'll also can get a free customable LN address. While talking about hybrid wallets, there's also Aqua Wallet although not IMHO as good as Misty Breez. There are also custodial LN wallet but I would honestly avoid using them because you have to trust the wallet operator not to steal your money. Their only advantage is that they are incredibly easy to use, although it might cost you big one day. To keep up to date with spending wallets, visit r/TheLightningNetwork at least once a while and perhaps r/RGB in the future. **Hardware Wallets** (to store larger amounts): [Trezor](https://trezor.io/) \- Easy to use, no matter how new in Bitcoin you're. Use the Bitcoin only firmware as it's safer than a multi coin software. [ColdCard](https://coldcardwallet.com/) - air gapped, Bitcoin only, has advanced features but a new user will do fine with one of the great tutorials available. [BitBox02](https://bitbox.swiss/bitbox02/bitcoin-only/) - another great little device, opt for the more secure Bitcoin ONLY version (less coins = less code = less chance for a hidden bug or a backdoor) [Jade](https://blockstream.com/jade) - air gapped, fully open source, Bitcoin only, great features. There's a newer version called Jade Plus, it has much better camera and overall is a better, although a bit more expensive, option. You can even [build it on your own](https://github.com/Blockstream/jade/), if you feel adventurous. [Seedsigner](https://github.com/SeedSigner/seedsigner) - another DIY, fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, not for you if you're just starting up but something to consider later. [Krux wallet](https://selfcustody.github.io/krux/) - one more DIY hardware device, I love this one for many reasons. Similar to Seedsigner, it's fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, that is not for you right now if you're just starting up, but something to consider at a later stage and/or to up the security of your bitcoin. There's also Ledger, but I wouldn't recommend it as it's not fully open source, keep and already leaked customers' details, recently said they're capable of sending customers' keys out just with a firmware update, etc. **Stay away**, save yourself a headache in the future. Whatever wallet you'll decide to buy, purchase DIRECTLY from the manufacturer, no eBay, no Amazon. Make sure the device is NOT preset, and you will generate your own seed words. Write them down on any piece of paper as well as the receiving address. Now wipe the wallet and generate a new wallet. If the seed words are different from the first set, you're safe to use it. Find an option to set a passphrase and use it. This will boost the security to another level. Never store the seed words and passphrase together. Use a different medium if possible. If somebody finds both, they'll be able to steal your coin. This little device will hold the keys to your money, that's the reason why you have to be a bit more careful. Also, no worries, if it breaks, you can replace it - as long as you keep your seed words and passphrase(s) safe. Welcome to the rabbit hole and don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions anytime during your Bitcoin journey. Also, [check the sidebar](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/about) that's filled with lots of great info and if you have any questions, visit r/BitcoinBeginners or r/Bitcoin and look for the answers.

ObviousEconomist

My point is the crypto industry is already thriving in US despite the lack of the CLARITY Act. I don't see it thriving even more when it's passed. Like you said, tradfi funds whose investment restrictions prevent direct onchain investment can simply invest in the ETF or a fund investing in crypto. I can't point to any huge additional money that can be opened up with CLARITY.

Putrid_Pollution3455

Deeply long and exaggerated intake of air\* 1.) Imagine that the crypto universe was crafted into a market weighted etf, similar to how they do it with stocks, a VTI of the crypto universe, if you will. In that ETF, bitcoin would be 56-58% of the entire crypto universe. Example: Suppose we take the top ten stocks and make a comparison to the total market index, ok? VTI top ten stocks are nvda, appl, msft, amzn, googl, avgo, meta, goog, tsla and lly....nvidia is 6.61% apple is 5.74% msft is 4.79% amazon is 3.45% googl is 2.95% avgo is 2.34% meta is 2.34% google class c shares are 2.33% tesla is 1.82% and eli lilly and co is 1.32% Now make the top ten crypto currencies by market cap; Bitcoin 66.7%, Ethereum 11.9% tether 6.6% bnb 4.6%, xrp 4% solana 2%, usd coin 2% tron 1.1% dogecoin .7% and bitcoin cash 0.5%.....So that's like if we had nvidia at 66% of the ENTIRE MARKET. 2.) Bitcoin as the first created, benefits from the Lindy Effect. Anything can become currency, from salt (salary? anyone?) sea shells, to gold and silver coins. 3.) It's mathematically scarce, deflationary, and decentralized; other crypto currencies are often inflationary, tied to the current shitty green back/dollar treasury sector, proof of stake isn't as secure/deflationary, and there's a frightening amount of centralization (like xrp). Basically, I was looking for a modern version of Gold, and I've owned both, but I specifically owned gold because the Lindy effect is master level with it...it's also beautiful so it was fun to buy. But I purchased it for SAFETY and when it started moving like a memecoin, and doubled in value, that's when I decided it was time to sell it. The biggest argument for me is between Gold and Bitcoin, not Bitcoin and literally-any-other-crypto.

TheresNoSecondBest

>Is it time to buy Bitcoin? Is it time to plant a tree? The answer is obvious. >suggest promising assets similar to Bitcoin. There's none. >Share some advice Congrats on the move, it's never too late, [despite new people thinking otherwise](https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/rskpuf/i_have_only_600_bitcoinsi_missed_the_bus/). ONLY INVEST MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE. Invest in your knowledge, learn about Bitcoin as much as you can. The Bitcoin Standard book is a must read. So is Broken Money by Lyn Alden. Also, **don't reply any DMs**, emails, private messages on other social media, promising to buy Bitcoin from them or get rich quick by investing into some website. They all are scammers. Even the hot Asian chick, he's a scammer too. **Price wise, nobody knows what the price will be tomorrow, next week or at the end of the year.** **Try "Bitcoin ONLY" strategy for at least the first 210,000 block cycle**, you'll sleep much better. Newcomers lose so much money, holding garbage tokens just because someone on YT told them to. If you don't like losing money in [failed coins](https://www.coingecko.com/research/publications/how-many-cryptocurrencies-failed), avoid. Going DCA is probably the best approach, IMHO. Once a week works best for me, but I'm getting paid weekly. If there's a 10% drop in the price since my last buy, I usually double my buy. This [DCA calculator](https://dca.bitnob.com/) might help to decide what will work best for you. In a few years, even $10 dollars a month can make a massive difference. This [DCA blog](https://er-bybitcoin.com/) is pretty interesting too and compares buying bitcoin VS stocks. Now, don't buy some fake bitcoin at a spot ETF place or similar, **get the real thing** that you can withdraw anytime you want. Register at a proper exchange and buy real Bitcoin. Any of these will do [https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin](https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin) Install (or buy - in case you're getting Bitcoin in Thousands of $) one or more of these wallets. **A few good wallet choices:** [https://blockstream.com/app/](https://blockstream.com/app/) \- Top Security Features, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://bluewallet.io](https://bluewallet.io/) \- excellent, easy to use wallet, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://www.sparrowwallet.com](https://www.sparrowwallet.com) - top desktop wallet [https://electrum.org](https://electrum.org/) \- Solid choice, Open Source and Non-Custodial, one of the oldest and most trusted Bitcoin Wallets. I prefer the desktop version but it works on mobile too. **Lightning wallets** to consider (cheaper and faster transactions, great for small amounts): [https://phoenix.acinq.co/](https://phoenix.acinq.co/) \- Phoenix - very good wallet, uses Tor for extra privacy, easy for anyone new [https://blixtwallet.github.io/](https://blixtwallet.github.io/) \- Blixt - great UI, fast and clean. The app runs a full LND node on your phone and you have the ability to easily open channels to whatever nodes you like. [https://zeusln.com/](https://zeusln.com/) Zeus - impressive wallet with many features, can even generate Nostr keys [https://breez.technology](https://breez.technology/) \- Breez - excellent POS for small business owners as well as integrated Bitrefill Note: Breez does also a hybrid liquid/LN wallet called Misty Breez - the sats being on liquid means no need for channels although the payments take a few extra seconds. You'll also can get a free customable LN address. While talking about hybrid wallets, there's also Aqua Wallet although not IMHO as good as Misty Breez. There are also custodial LN wallet but I would honestly avoid using them because you have to trust the wallet operator not to steal your money. Their only advantage is that they are incredibly easy to use, although it might cost you big one day. To keep up to date with spending wallets, visit r/TheLightningNetwork at least once a while and perhaps r/RGB in the future. **Hardware Wallets** (to store larger amounts): [Trezor](https://trezor.io/) \- Easy to use, no matter how new in Bitcoin you're. Use the Bitcoin only firmware as it's safer than a multi coin software. [ColdCard](https://coldcardwallet.com/) - air gapped, Bitcoin only, has advanced features but a new user will do fine with one of the great tutorials available. [BitBox02](https://bitbox.swiss/bitbox02/bitcoin-only/) - another great little device, opt for the more secure Bitcoin ONLY version (less coins = less code = less chance for a hidden bug or a backdoor) [Jade](https://blockstream.com/jade) - air gapped, fully open source, Bitcoin only, great features. There's a newer version called Jade Plus, it has much better camera and overall is a better, although a bit more expensive, option. You can even [build it on your own](https://github.com/Blockstream/jade/), if you feel adventurous. [Seedsigner](https://github.com/SeedSigner/seedsigner) - another DIY, fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, not for you if you're just starting up but something to consider later. [Krux wallet](https://selfcustody.github.io/krux/) - one more DIY hardware device, I love this one for many reasons. Similar to Seedsigner, it's fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, that is not for you right now if you're just starting up, but something to consider at a later stage and/or to up the security of your bitcoin. There's also Ledger, but I wouldn't recommend it as it's not fully open source, keep and already leaked customers' details, recently said they're capable of sending customers' keys out just with a firmware update, etc. **Stay away**, save yourself a headache in the future. Whatever wallet you'll decide to buy, purchase DIRECTLY from the manufacturer, no eBay, no Amazon. Make sure the device is NOT preset, and you will generate your own seed words. Write them down on any piece of paper as well as the receiving address. Now wipe the wallet and generate a new wallet. If the seed words are different from the first set, you're safe to use it. Find an option to set a passphrase and use it. This will boost the security to another level. Never store the seed words and passphrase together. Use a different medium if possible. If somebody finds both, they'll be able to steal your coin. This little device will hold the keys to your money, that's the reason why you have to be a bit more careful. Also, no worries, if it breaks, you can replace it - as long as you keep your seed words and passphrase(s) safe. Welcome to the rabbit hole and don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions anytime during your Bitcoin journey. Also, [check the sidebar](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/about) that's filled with lots of great info and if you have any questions, visit r/BitcoinBeginners or r/Bitcoin and look for the answers.

Ansh_07upadhyay

You’re doing fine. VUAG is solid but US-only. If you want to keep it simple and stop thinking about it, just move future money into VWCE and let it run. One global ETF, monthly investing, no reacting to news. At 20, time in the market matters way more than tweaking the setup.

idkAboutYouMan

Or you can buy a proven ETF and get rich the safer way

thethoughtstream

Yes, and it is. You think all these ETF issuers and "treasuries" actually hold the BTC they claim to buy? There is heavy speculation that they don't, thus artificially inflating supply and inevitably driving down price.

Son_of_Sephiroth

They’ll be watching oil prices closely and what happens with the Straight of Hormuz. If there’s an oil supply shock expect to see a leg down in BTC, until then I think the attitude is we already fell from 70k recently so these events are already priced in. Either way I think ETF outflows will wipe out any weekend price recovery on Monday if the broader market reacts badly to all this.

Other_Importance249

If it did drop more on Monday when the ETF trading session starts, then it would probably be a generational buying opportunity. Hope everyone here has some dry powder to seize the opportunity if it happens.

Flashionator

Holly crappers Batman! I just heard about this from Andrei Jikh from his YouTube channel. "Jane Street is one of four companies in the world that ate authorized to create and redeem shares of the biggest BTC ETF in the world." Manipulation at a scale...wow this is epic if they are found accountable.

Few-Education-5613

ETF's aren't

Quiet-Percentage-409

Si j'étais célibataire sans enfant : All In BTC Mais avec une famille, jai une partie en action/ETF

TheresNoSecondBest

Welcome aboard. We all have been where you're at right now. Read/bookmark this guide and make sure to learn along your journey. Congrats on the move, it's never too late, [despite new people thinking otherwise](https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/rskpuf/i_have_only_600_bitcoinsi_missed_the_bus/). ONLY INVEST MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE. Invest in your knowledge, learn about Bitcoin as much as you can. The Bitcoin Standard book is a must read. So is Broken Money by Lyn Alden. Also, **don't reply any DMs**, emails, private messages on other social media, promising to buy Bitcoin from them or get rich quick by investing into some website. They all are scammers. Even the hot Asian chick, he's a scammer too. **Price wise, nobody knows what the price will be tomorrow, next week or at the end of the year.** **Try "Bitcoin ONLY" strategy for at least the first 210,000 block cycle**, you'll sleep much better. Newcomers lose so much money, holding garbage tokens just because someone on YT told them to. If you don't like losing money in [failed coins](https://www.coingecko.com/research/publications/how-many-cryptocurrencies-failed), avoid. Going DCA is probably the best approach, IMHO. Once a week works best for me, but I'm getting paid weekly. If there's a 10% drop in the price since my last buy, I usually double my buy. This [DCA calculator](https://dca.bitnob.com/) might help to decide what will work best for you. In a few years, even $10 dollars a month can make a massive difference. This [DCA blog](https://er-bybitcoin.com/) is pretty interesting too and compares buying bitcoin VS stocks. Now, don't buy some fake bitcoin at a spot ETF place or similar, **get the real thing** that you can withdraw anytime you want. Register at a proper exchange and buy real Bitcoin. Any of these will do [https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin](https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin) Install (or buy - in case you're getting Bitcoin in Thousands of $) one or more of these wallets. **A few good wallet choices:** [https://blockstream.com/app/](https://blockstream.com/app/) \- Top Security Features, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://bluewallet.io](https://bluewallet.io/) \- excellent, easy to use wallet, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://www.sparrowwallet.com](https://www.sparrowwallet.com) - top desktop wallet [https://electrum.org](https://electrum.org/) \- Solid choice, Open Source and Non-Custodial, one of the oldest and most trusted Bitcoin Wallets. I prefer the desktop version but it works on mobile too. **Lightning wallets** to consider (cheaper and faster transactions, great for small amounts): [https://phoenix.acinq.co/](https://phoenix.acinq.co/) \- Phoenix - very good wallet, uses Tor for extra privacy, easy for anyone new [https://blixtwallet.github.io/](https://blixtwallet.github.io/) \- Blixt - great UI, fast and clean. The app runs a full LND node on your phone and you have the ability to easily open channels to whatever nodes you like. [https://zeusln.com/](https://zeusln.com/) Zeus - impressive wallet with many features, can even generate Nostr keys [https://breez.technology](https://breez.technology/) \- Breez - excellent POS for small business owners as well as integrated Bitrefill Note: Breez does also a hybrid liquid/LN wallet called Misty Breez - the sats being on liquid means no need for channels although the payments take a few extra seconds. You'll also can get a free customable LN address. While talking about hybrid wallets, there's also Aqua Wallet although not IMHO as good as Misty Breez. There are also custodial LN wallet but I would honestly avoid using them because you have to trust the wallet operator not to steal your money. Their only advantage is that they are incredibly easy to use, although it might cost you big one day. To keep up to date with spending wallets, visit r/TheLightningNetwork at least once a while and perhaps r/RGB in the future. **Hardware Wallets** (to store larger amounts): [Trezor](https://trezor.io/) \- Easy to use, no matter how new in Bitcoin you're. Use the Bitcoin only firmware as it's safer than a multi coin software. [ColdCard](https://coldcardwallet.com/) - air gapped, Bitcoin only, has advanced features but a new user will do fine with one of the great tutorials available. [BitBox02](https://bitbox.swiss/bitbox02/bitcoin-only/) - another great little device, opt for the more secure Bitcoin ONLY version (less coins = less code = less chance for a hidden bug or a backdoor) [Jade](https://blockstream.com/jade) - air gapped, fully open source, Bitcoin only, great features. There's a newer version called Jade Plus, it has much better camera and overall is a better, although a bit more expensive, option. You can even [build it on your own](https://github.com/Blockstream/jade/), if you feel adventurous. [Seedsigner](https://github.com/SeedSigner/seedsigner) - another DIY, fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, not for you if you're just starting up but something to consider later. [Krux wallet](https://selfcustody.github.io/krux/) - one more DIY hardware device, I love this one for many reasons. Similar to Seedsigner, it's fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, that is not for you right now if you're just starting up, but something to consider at a later stage and/or to up the security of your bitcoin. There's also Ledger, but I wouldn't recommend it as it's not fully open source, keep and already leaked customers' details, recently said they're capable of sending customers' keys out just with a firmware update, etc. **Stay away**, save yourself a headache in the future. Whatever wallet you'll decide to buy, purchase DIRECTLY from the manufacturer, no eBay, no Amazon. Make sure the device is NOT preset, and you will generate your own seed words. Write them down on any piece of paper as well as the receiving address. Now wipe the wallet and generate a new wallet. If the seed words are different from the first set, you're safe to use it. Find an option to set a passphrase and use it. This will boost the security to another level. Never store the seed words and passphrase together. Use a different medium if possible. If somebody finds both, they'll be able to steal your coin. This little device will hold the keys to your money, that's the reason why you have to be a bit more careful. Also, no worries, if it breaks, you can replace it - as long as you keep your seed words and passphrase(s) safe. Welcome to the rabbit hole and don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions anytime during your Bitcoin journey. Also, [check the sidebar](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/about) that's filled with lots of great info and if you have any questions, visit r/BitcoinBeginners or r/Bitcoin and look for the answers.

Shiny_Midnight

If the world 🌎 is ending then it can go up ore down ore whatever ! Doesn’t make any difference. The narrative isn’t valid anymore. It hasn’t been valid since the product became mainstream and accepted by the financial sectors. Now is just another asset like an AI stock with an high Beta. 21 million bitcoin is now ♾️ because of ETF , Futures , CDF etc.

Prestigious-Ad-7927

For me, it’s the fixed supply, the security of the network and the institutional adoption. What cemented it even more was the approval of bitcoin spot ETF, and now industry giants like JP Morgan is allowing bitcoin as collateral. My journey started by reading The Bitcoin Standard.

TheresNoSecondBest

>Can you guys convince me to buy bitcoin? No, mate. That is your job. In case you're willing to stick around, read/bookmark this guide and make sure to learn along your journey. Congrats on the move, it's never too late, [despite new people thinking otherwise](https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/rskpuf/i_have_only_600_bitcoinsi_missed_the_bus/). ONLY INVEST MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE. Invest in your knowledge, learn about Bitcoin as much as you can. The Bitcoin Standard book is a must read. So is Broken Money by Lyn Alden. Also, **don't reply any DMs**, emails, private messages on other social media, promising to buy Bitcoin from them or get rich quick by investing into some website. They all are scammers. Even the hot Asian chick, he's a scammer too. **Price wise, nobody knows what the price will be tomorrow, next week or at the end of the year.** **Try "Bitcoin ONLY" strategy for at least the first 210,000 block cycle**, you'll sleep much better. Newcomers lose so much money, holding garbage tokens just because someone on YT told them to. If you don't like losing money in [failed coins](https://www.coingecko.com/research/publications/how-many-cryptocurrencies-failed), avoid. Going DCA is probably the best approach, IMHO. Once a week works best for me, but I'm getting paid weekly. If there's a 10% drop in the price since my last buy, I usually double my buy. This [DCA calculator](https://dca.bitnob.com/) might help to decide what will work best for you. In a few years, even $10 dollars a month can make a massive difference. This [DCA blog](https://er-bybitcoin.com/) is pretty interesting too and compares buying bitcoin VS stocks. Now, don't buy some fake bitcoin at a spot ETF place or similar, **get the real thing** that you can withdraw anytime you want. Register at a proper exchange and buy real Bitcoin. Any of these will do [https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin](https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin) Install (or buy - in case you're getting Bitcoin in Thousands of $) one or more of these wallets. **A few good wallet choices:** [https://blockstream.com/app/](https://blockstream.com/app/) \- Top Security Features, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://bluewallet.io](https://bluewallet.io/) \- excellent, easy to use wallet, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://www.sparrowwallet.com](https://www.sparrowwallet.com) - top desktop wallet [https://electrum.org](https://electrum.org/) \- Solid choice, Open Source and Non-Custodial, one of the oldest and most trusted Bitcoin Wallets. I prefer the desktop version but it works on mobile too. **Lightning wallets** to consider (cheaper and faster transactions, great for small amounts): [https://phoenix.acinq.co/](https://phoenix.acinq.co/) \- Phoenix - very good wallet, uses Tor for extra privacy, easy for anyone new [https://blixtwallet.github.io/](https://blixtwallet.github.io/) \- Blixt - great UI, fast and clean. The app runs a full LND node on your phone and you have the ability to easily open channels to whatever nodes you like. [https://zeusln.com/](https://zeusln.com/) Zeus - impressive wallet with many features, can even generate Nostr keys [https://breez.technology](https://breez.technology/) \- Breez - excellent POS for small business owners as well as integrated Bitrefill Note: Breez does also a hybrid liquid/LN wallet called Misty Breez - the sats being on liquid means no need for channels although the payments take a few extra seconds. You'll also can get a free customable LN address. While talking about hybrid wallets, there's also Aqua Wallet although not IMHO as good as Misty Breez. There are also custodial LN wallet but I would honestly avoid using them because you have to trust the wallet operator not to steal your money. Their only advantage is that they are incredibly easy to use, although it might cost you big one day. To keep up to date with spending wallets, visit r/TheLightningNetwork at least once a while and perhaps r/RGB in the future. **Hardware Wallets** (to store larger amounts): [Trezor](https://trezor.io/) \- Easy to use, no matter how new in Bitcoin you're. Use the Bitcoin only firmware as it's safer than a multi coin software. [ColdCard](https://coldcardwallet.com/) - air gapped, Bitcoin only, has advanced features but a new user will do fine with one of the great tutorials available. [BitBox02](https://bitbox.swiss/bitbox02/bitcoin-only/) - another great little device, opt for the more secure Bitcoin ONLY version (less coins = less code = less chance for a hidden bug or a backdoor) [Jade](https://blockstream.com/jade) - air gapped, fully open source, Bitcoin only, great features. There's a newer version called Jade Plus, it has much better camera and overall is a better, although a bit more expensive, option. You can even [build it on your own](https://github.com/Blockstream/jade/), if you feel adventurous. [Seedsigner](https://github.com/SeedSigner/seedsigner) - another DIY, fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, not for you if you're just starting up but something to consider later. [Krux wallet](https://selfcustody.github.io/krux/) - one more DIY hardware device, I love this one for many reasons. Similar to Seedsigner, it's fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, that is not for you right now if you're just starting up, but something to consider at a later stage and/or to up the security of your bitcoin. There's also Ledger, but I wouldn't recommend it as it's not fully open source, keep and already leaked customers' details, recently said they're capable of sending customers' keys out just with a firmware update, etc. **Stay away**, save yourself a headache in the future. Whatever wallet you'll decide to buy, purchase DIRECTLY from the manufacturer, no eBay, no Amazon. Make sure the device is NOT preset, and you will generate your own seed words. Write them down on any piece of paper as well as the receiving address. Now wipe the wallet and generate a new wallet. If the seed words are different from the first set, you're safe to use it. Find an option to set a passphrase and use it. This will boost the security to another level. Never store the seed words and passphrase together. Use a different medium if possible. If somebody finds both, they'll be able to steal your coin. This little device will hold the keys to your money, that's the reason why you have to be a bit more careful. Also, no worries, if it breaks, you can replace it - as long as you keep your seed words and passphrase(s) safe. Welcome to the rabbit hole and don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions anytime during your Bitcoin journey. Also, [check the sidebar](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/about) that's filled with lots of great info and if you have any questions, visit r/BitcoinBeginners or r/Bitcoin and look for the answers.

TheresNoSecondBest

Welcome aboard. Read/bookmark this guide and make sure to learn along your journey. Congrats on the move, it's never too late, [despite new people thinking otherwise](https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/rskpuf/i_have_only_600_bitcoinsi_missed_the_bus/). ONLY INVEST MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE. Invest in your knowledge, learn about Bitcoin as much as you can. The Bitcoin Standard book is a must read. So is Broken Money by Lyn Alden. Also, **don't reply any DMs**, emails, private messages on other social media, promising to buy Bitcoin from them or get rich quick by investing into some website. They all are scammers. Even the hot Asian chick, he's a scammer too. **Price wise, nobody knows what the price will be tomorrow, next week or at the end of the year.** **Try "Bitcoin ONLY" strategy for at least the first 210,000 block cycle**, you'll sleep much better. Newcomers lose so much money, holding garbage tokens just because someone on YT told them to. If you don't like losing money in [failed coins](https://www.coingecko.com/research/publications/how-many-cryptocurrencies-failed), avoid. Going DCA is probably the best approach, IMHO. Once a week works best for me, but I'm getting paid weekly. If there's a 10% drop in the price since my last buy, I usually double my buy. This [DCA calculator](https://dca.bitnob.com/) might help to decide what will work best for you. In a few years, even $10 dollars a month can make a massive difference. This [DCA blog](https://er-bybitcoin.com/) is pretty interesting too and compares buying bitcoin VS stocks. Now, don't buy some fake bitcoin at a spot ETF place or similar, **get the real thing** that you can withdraw anytime you want. Register at a proper exchange and buy real Bitcoin. Any of these will do [https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin](https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin) Install (or buy - in case you're getting Bitcoin in Thousands of $) one or more of these wallets. **A few good wallet choices:** [https://blockstream.com/app/](https://blockstream.com/app/) \- Top Security Features, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://bluewallet.io](https://bluewallet.io/) \- excellent, easy to use wallet, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://www.sparrowwallet.com](https://www.sparrowwallet.com) - top desktop wallet [https://electrum.org](https://electrum.org/) \- Solid choice, Open Source and Non-Custodial, one of the oldest and most trusted Bitcoin Wallets. I prefer the desktop version but it works on mobile too. **Lightning wallets** to consider (cheaper and faster transactions, great for small amounts): [https://phoenix.acinq.co/](https://phoenix.acinq.co/) \- Phoenix - very good wallet, uses Tor for extra privacy, easy for anyone new [https://blixtwallet.github.io/](https://blixtwallet.github.io/) \- Blixt - great UI, fast and clean. The app runs a full LND node on your phone and you have the ability to easily open channels to whatever nodes you like. [https://zeusln.com/](https://zeusln.com/) Zeus - impressive wallet with many features, can even generate Nostr keys [https://breez.technology](https://breez.technology/) \- Breez - excellent POS for small business owners as well as integrated Bitrefill Note: Breez does also a hybrid liquid/LN wallet called Misty Breez - the sats being on liquid means no need for channels although the payments take a few extra seconds. You'll also can get a free customable LN address. While talking about hybrid wallets, there's also Aqua Wallet although not IMHO as good as Misty Breez. There are also custodial LN wallet but I would honestly avoid using them because you have to trust the wallet operator not to steal your money. Their only advantage is that they are incredibly easy to use, although it might cost you big one day. To keep up to date with spending wallets, visit r/TheLightningNetwork at least once a while and perhaps r/RGB in the future. **Hardware Wallets** (to store larger amounts): [Trezor](https://trezor.io/) \- Easy to use, no matter how new in Bitcoin you're. Use the Bitcoin only firmware as it's safer than a multi coin software. [ColdCard](https://coldcardwallet.com/) - air gapped, Bitcoin only, has advanced features but a new user will do fine with one of the great tutorials available. [BitBox02](https://bitbox.swiss/bitbox02/bitcoin-only/) - another great little device, opt for the more secure Bitcoin ONLY version (less coins = less code = less chance for a hidden bug or a backdoor) [Jade](https://blockstream.com/jade) - air gapped, fully open source, Bitcoin only, great features. There's a newer version called Jade Plus, it has much better camera and overall is a better, although a bit more expensive, option. You can even [build it on your own](https://github.com/Blockstream/jade/), if you feel adventurous. [Seedsigner](https://github.com/SeedSigner/seedsigner) - another DIY, fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, not for you if you're just starting up but something to consider later. [Krux wallet](https://selfcustody.github.io/krux/) - one more DIY hardware device, I love this one for many reasons. Similar to Seedsigner, it's fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, that is not for you right now if you're just starting up, but something to consider at a later stage and/or to up the security of your bitcoin. There's also Ledger, but I wouldn't recommend it as it's not fully open source, keep and already leaked customers' details, recently said they're capable of sending customers' keys out just with a firmware update, etc. **Stay away**, save yourself a headache in the future. Whatever wallet you'll decide to buy, purchase DIRECTLY from the manufacturer, no eBay, no Amazon. Make sure the device is NOT preset, and you will generate your own seed words. Write them down on any piece of paper as well as the receiving address. Now wipe the wallet and generate a new wallet. If the seed words are different from the first set, you're safe to use it. Find an option to set a passphrase and use it. This will boost the security to another level. Never store the seed words and passphrase together. Use a different medium if possible. If somebody finds both, they'll be able to steal your coin. This little device will hold the keys to your money, that's the reason why you have to be a bit more careful. Also, no worries, if it breaks, you can replace it - as long as you keep your seed words and passphrase(s) safe. Welcome to the rabbit hole and don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions anytime during your Bitcoin journey. Also, [check the sidebar](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/about) that's filled with lots of great info and if you have any questions, visit r/BitcoinBeginners or r/Bitcoin and look for the answers.

bankrollbystander

institutional flow has definitely changed market structure, but concentration of holdings does not automatically mean full centralization of the protocol. one practical check is to look at on chain distribution data and ETF custody breakdowns, that gives a clearer picture than headlines about Wall Street involvement.

BaldGuyAce

Actually BlackRock doesn’t buy any btc for themselves. They only buy btc for their customers who purchase the ETF, hence retail investors.

No_Giraffe_4647

Extreme fear could already explain this plus the downward cycle period as well Markets are doing pretty well in comparison such as ETF, their performance is not correlated to crypto same goes for gold and precious metals

Lavayo

10k$ means ONLY institutions and saylor will remain, they will never leave. Retail handed over their SATs over the last 12 months. It is what it is. BTC is for anybody. There will never be a check if you are a institution or sell an ETF after you buy. All we can do is stack and hodl.

Willing_Gas7868

Ethereum probably has the best shot if momentum and ETF flows pick up. Some strong L2s or revenue-generating projects could outperform on a % basis, but only in the right phase of the cycle. BTC still leads most of the time.

ShittingOutPosts

Yes, that’s a large part of it. It also has to do with the ETF share creation/redemption process. People are now figuring out the AP’s can use derivatives as opposed to actual spot buying to hedge their positions.

whataboutbenson

I often find that what people see as so called black swan events are often predicted in the charts. Usually before a crash there are signs of it showing weakness anyway, even if nominal price is still going up. Same with bottoms, there are indicators and patterns that can point to hidden strength before a recovery. It’s only afterwards that people assign a narrative to it like ETF inflows or Trump doing whatever he’s done. Ignoring all the time those things happen but it doesn’t affect the price movement. Someone else made the point that fundamentals are key for deciding which tokens to even touch in the first place, and I agree with that, but after that part of the process I’m all about technicals.

Nickovskii

Trends get broken by significant events like the ETF

Frequent_Pool_533

Could've been worse. I was looking into bitcoin back in 2013, had money to invest but got distracted with work and forgot about it. Then towards end of 2020 when bitcoin was between 10-15k I had around $3k was gonna invest then I decided to put it all on Trump winning the election. Obviously I lost it all. That's the last time I bet on things happening overseas. I have some crypto now, but I decided to go with ETF and property route, which makes up majority of my portfolio. Just think about all those people who had bitcoin way before and used it to buy drugs on silk road.

21VOX

I got you! https://21vox.com/bitcoin-investment-simulator Try this out, built with preset selectors, or you can choose lump sum or DCA + target year + scenarios (sovereign ETF wave, corporate adoption, inflation slider, etc.) Refining it daily but let me know what you think!

HungryLittleWombat

The truth is: no one knows. "This time is different" was said many times. Institution and ETF's impacts can cause a difference or not. I can argue either way. They bought a lot! But it's still a small percentage compared to the whole BTC stock. EFT buyers see the price of the ETF go and down on their monthly statements. How much attention do they pay to the BTC price? How many of them know of ATH let alone caring what's the latest or previous ATH? I don't know. I'll just choose a percentage drop to start to scale dca with, hoping that I'll get close to the theoretical lowest price that never happens.

ShittingOutPosts

How many people do you know, outside of financial professionals, that understand the ETF share creation/redemption process? This isn’t limited to crypto.

ClearSnakewood

That’s the whole thing. If sats are held in the blockchain, then anything that’s NOT on the blockchain isn’t real Bitcoin. Exchanges, ETF’s and custodians “holding” anyone’s coin… Bitcoin without the blockchain isn’t Bitcoin.

CreatineAddiction

Smartest idea would be to pick coins that have a corresponding ETF created by wallstreet. These have been identified by professional regards and being money makers. Then pick some real degen coins for the 100x out of nowhere chance.

ReceptionSmall9941

Interesting divergence—if spot ETF inflows keep absorbing supply while leverage resets, XRP could grind higher with less liquidation noise. The key test is whether open interest stabilizes on up-days instead of spiking only after big moves.

Savings-Leading4618

At this point, I think everyone knows this. Just take that the ETF's are buying. The ETF's, the ones who were net sellers this whole downtrend. If the ETF's are buying again, that is a strong bullish signal.

adequate_redditor

It was already like that before ETFs to some degree, but you are right. ETF buyers are in it for the money and will sell as soon as there’s uncertainty, as they do with other risk assets. This in turn impact the BTC price.

AvailableTie6834

Bitcoin ETF is not Bitcoin

Romanizer

On top of that it is one of their most expensive ETFs with just a single product so likely not a lot of operating cost. They want as many people to put as much money as possible in their ETF and their fee is the highest when Bitcoin's price increases. So ETF issuers are very motivated to promote Bitcoin from different angles.

Chris_Reno775

Maybe a little, it's mostly institutions owning the ETF.

FunnyNo8982

Blackrock buy when btc build low prices because they have ETF

xXSomethingStupidXx

3.8 billion in ETF outflows while blackrock buys 78 million, so call it 3.722 billion in ETF outflows I guess.

oxygenoxy

Everytime I see such a headline and click thru, I hope to see it's about a BlackRock fund that's buying the btc ETF. But nope, never happened. 

thinkingperson

Exactly! And 70%-75% of Blackrock iBit ETF customers are retail.

Caelxn

It went out the window as soon as paper BTC became a thing - this is the 2nd edge of the sword people were worried about when ETF filings were getting approved. BTC on-chain however *is still decentralised.* Buy it on-chain, keep in cold storage, hold for <x> years, win.

AugustinesConversion

All of those are before massive amount of institutional involvement. To the think the price will move the same way in the post-ETF era is foolish.