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VariatCA

I mean... BTC's down like 20% in just over a month, with a large amount of ETF outflows in that time which begin handling their business around market-open hours. There's bound to be more selling than buying from *all* markets on average in that time, for Bitcoin to be down that much.

False-Cook-310

Throwaway for obvious reasons. Been in it for about a decade. Thought I was “late” to bitcoin in 2015 so invested in a lot of shitcoins (before they were even called shitcoins). Currently at $1.1m (cash in about 100k) Given how early I was, I’m often quite ashamed of my “mild” gains. Some S&P ETF and my 401k might have given me close to that with none of the stress I’ve experienced over that time.

noviwu97

That's the general consensus since 2023 when ETF launched.

f3lixtb

I’ve been in the same boat. I worked for Apple retail for nine years and sold part of my stock to diversify my TFSA, RRSP, and buy a condo in 2023. I’m holding onto my remaining 132 shares for life because I can borrow against them at a low margin interest rate instead of paying taxes on the gains. I’m also buying a Bitcoin ETF with some of my TFSA and investing the rest in XEQT.

Beneficial_Poet_7983

You should be. So am I..... If you want to buy, just buy it directly BTC that is, or buy the ETF. Every time Saylor starts talking it just reminds me that....... Michael Saylor faced accusations of  **Tax fraud** by the District of Columbia for allegedly evading over $25 million in taxes between 2005 and 2021 by claiming residency in other states like Virginia and Florida while living in D.C.. He reached a **settlement** in June 2024, agreeing to pay a $40 million fine. Previously, he was also charged with **fraud** by the SEC in 2000 for misstating profits for [MicroStrategy](https://www.google.com/search?q=MicroStrategy&client=safari&sca_esv=5676decb8ecacc3d&rls=en&sxsrf=AE3TifP7atzr3AzU74ukY8XQOrNcfKxgFA%3A1762962312471&ei=iKsUady_HLOEhbIP0qTz4AY&ved=2ahUKEwiil9O2-uyQAxUUW0EAHbR7AH8QgK4QegQIARAB&uact=5&oq=michael+saylor+crimes&gs_lp=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-LrIHAzIuMrgHkgPCBwUyLTQuMcgHHw&sclient=gws-wiz-serp&mstk=AUtExfA3-AB2D6SRRFA3AfV43zGIf48pHpFBzuExZaaVyl7Hqu5UFhM11h0TmV6ppzhb0sq7U5wzoRKEpz3kCXSnO3oCxlFXqS9GXhCafvbKa0r5u0-g2ZrBS_RbZlV2VFMFw8HZ4weGZap0iMjyQRb8tSnvv4GyPNsHgURe0bOEG1YX0ZRkZ_3v0zvLshvUh-6rWLRziT0-b-rBM7DquT4mlEgx--Nt0WvJYdthLpYmP2PJIYDwTi857ZTlkV9j-LWzhaA3bnY19ZXbqH7FUjsGrMsq&csui=3). The share tanked, and they were fined.

whatsaburneraccount

Most ETF's trade/rebalance last hour of the day. Maybe these do it in the first hour? Who knows

HSuke

Which had nothing to do with the ETF not more with Microstrategy and other Bitcoin treasury schemes. Ethereum ETF did very little once it launched. Most of the pump was before the ETF.

rgnet1

You can't blame a bitcoin maxi for using every financial tool at his disposal to acquire as much bitcoin as possible. Blame the market for funding him by buying his shares if you think it's such a big risk. ETFs have the same problem, the actual asset is being held by custodians and the honeypots get larger and larger. But whether it's Strategy or ETFs, the legal ownership is shared among the shareholders, so ownership is quite normally distributed. People have the choice to self-custody. Every purchase of an ETF or Strategy is a decision to say, "I don't want responsibility." Blame individuals, don't blame Saylor.

Sandharbor

Only buy in Bear markets through DCA, roll alt profits into BTC, when BTC is in a mature bull run roll that into a Nasdaq ETF.  Rinse and repeat, maybe ignore alt part altogether if you don’t have the ability to outperform BTC or don’t want to constantly monitor and keep up with them.  Be aware small cap alts can pump and roll over within a week. I literally lost a 50x while on vac before, thinking I’ll manage it when I get home. You”ll always make mistakes or bad calls and have to move on it’s part of the game.  Don’t go all in on anything except maybe BTC. Learn to calculate risk and position size accordingly. There’s a mantra in the trading world “play to trade another day”  going all in or too large on something you get wrong will blow up your account, it’s why you have to manage risks. 

Rickard403

Eventually..... that's possible. But you'll be disappointed in the near term. Just because "ETF" doesn't mean investors will ignore the fact that the price has been falling. Also, the ETF has been priced in most likely and people will sell tomorrow.

StarScreamer

I asked Gemini. What was the price of Bitcoin before the first spot ETF, and what was the price 5 months after? Answer: Based on historical data, here are the prices you requested, centered around the approval of the first U.S. spot Bitcoin ETFs on January 10, 2024. Price Before ETF (January 9, 2024): On the day before the approval, Bitcoin's price was approximately $46,129.09. Price 5 Months After (June 10, 2024): Five months after the approval, Bitcoin's price was approximately $69,633.42. This represents a price increase of approximately 51% in the five months following the launch of the spot ETFs.

abking_84

It has nothing to do with ftbc. It's not an ETF. They are the custodian for the actual crypto you buy. This is a huge advantage imo. If BTC goes hyperbolic, I don't have to pay any capital gains tax. I think the people worrying about 2% fees are missing the forest for the trees.

Saylor_Moonboi

Like most Bitcoin treasury companies, they use leverage. This kind of thing was fine before there were ETF's, but there is really no reason to take the kind of risks that come with these things nowadays. The biggest risk is that YOU don't understand the valuation, because you don't know how to read a balance sheet, and you clearly don't. Just go with the ETF, its much safer, or a miner, which is much riskier, but has more upside, assuming they don't suck. These also-ran treasury companies have lots of hidden risks, even Strategy has leverage risk, and chances are, if some of these things fail, all of them will, not unlike the crypto lenders of 2022.

abking_84

It's not an ETF. It's an IRA that you can buy and sell actual crypto. It's held by them in cold storage.

BTCWallahFXEmpire

If you’re new to Bitcoin, DCA (dollar-cost averaging) is usually the smarter move, especially in a volatile market. By spreading your $40K over 40 weeks, you smooth out price swings and remove the emotion from timing entries. It’s boring, but it works. That said, if you believe we’re early in a clear uptrend (macro + ETF inflows + halving cycle), a hybrid approach can make sense, e.g., invest 30–40% now to get exposure, then DCA the rest weekly. Whatever you choose, focus on self-custody and long-term mindset. Bitcoin rewards patience, not perfect timing.

Necessary_Beach9625

anything can happen with Bitcoin, but $100k as a floor feels right. The 70k bottom seems less likely now with all the ETF and adoption news

Amber_Sam

Welcome abroad. We all have been where you're at right now. Read/bookmark this guide and make sure to learn along your journey. Congrats on the move, it's never too late, [despite new people thinking otherwise](https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/rskpuf/i_have_only_600_bitcoinsi_missed_the_bus/). ONLY INVEST MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE. Invest in your knowledge, learn about Bitcoin as much as you can. The Bitcoin Standard book is a must read. So is Broken Money by Lyn Alden. Also, **don't reply any DMs**, emails, private messages on other social media, promising to buy Bitcoin from them or get rich quick by investing into some website. They all are scammers. Even the hot Asian chick, he's a scammer too. **Price wise, nobody knows what the price will be tomorrow, next week or at the end of the year.** **Try "Bitcoin ONLY" strategy for at least the first 210,000 block cycle**, you'll sleep much better. Newcomers lose so much money, holding garbage tokens just because someone on YT told them to. If you don't like losing money in [failed coins](https://www.coingecko.com/research/publications/how-many-cryptocurrencies-failed), avoid. Going DCA is probably the best approach, IMHO. Once a week works best for me, but I'm getting paid weekly. If there's a 10% drop in the price since my last buy, I usually double my buy. This [DCA calculator](https://dca.bitnob.com/) might help to decide what will work best for you. In a few years, even $10 dollars a month can make a massive difference. This [DCA blog](https://er-bybitcoin.com/) is pretty interesting too and compares buying bitcoin VS stocks. Now, don't buy some fake bitcoin at a spot ETF place or similar, **get the real thing** that you can withdraw anytime you want. Register at a proper exchange and buy real Bitcoin. Any of these will do [https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin](https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin) Install (or buy - in case you're getting Bitcoin in Thousands of $) one or more of these wallets. **A few good wallet choices:** [https://blockstream.com/green/](https://blockstream.com/green/) \- Top Security Features, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://bluewallet.io](https://bluewallet.io/) \- excellent, easy to use wallet, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://www.sparrowwallet.com](https://www.sparrowwallet.com) - top desktop wallet [https://electrum.org](https://electrum.org/) \- Solid choice, Open Source and Non-Custodial, one of the oldest and most trusted Bitcoin Wallets. I prefer the desktop version but it works on mobile too. **Lightning wallets** to consider (cheaper and faster transactions, great for small amounts): [https://phoenix.acinq.co/](https://phoenix.acinq.co/) \- Phoenix - very good wallet, uses Tor for extra privacy, easy for anyone new [https://blixtwallet.github.io/](https://blixtwallet.github.io/) \- Blixt - great UI, fast and clean. The app runs a full LND node on your phone and you have the ability to easily open channels to whatever nodes you like. [https://zeusln.com/](https://zeusln.com/) Zeus - impressive wallet with many features, can even generate Nostr keys [https://breez.technology](https://breez.technology/) \- Breez - excellent POS for small business owners as well as integrated Bitrefill Note: Breez does also a hybrid liquid/LN wallet called Misty Breez - the sats being on liquid means no need for channels although the payments take a few extra seconds. You'll also can get a free customable LN address. While talking about hybrid wallets, there's also Aqua Wallet although not IMHO as good as Misty Breez. There are also custodial LN wallet but I would honestly avoid using them because you have to trust the wallet operator not to steal your money. Their only advantage is that they are incredibly easy to use, although it might cost you big one day. To keep up to date with spending wallets, visit r/TheLightningNetwork at least once a while and perhaps r/RGB in the future. **Hardware Wallets** (to store larger amounts): [Trezor](https://trezor.io/) \- Easy to use, no matter how new in Bitcoin you're. Use the Bitcoin only firmware as it's safer than a multi coin software. [ColdCard](https://coldcardwallet.com/) - air gapped, Bitcoin only, has advanced features but a new user will do fine with one of the great tutorials available. [BitBox02](https://bitbox.swiss/bitbox02/bitcoin-only/) - another great little device, opt for the more secure Bitcoin ONLY version (less coins = less code = less chance for a hidden bug or a backdoor) [Jade](https://blockstream.com/jade) - air gapped, fully open source, Bitcoin only, great features. There's a newer version called Jade Plus, it has much better camera and overall is a better, although a bit more expensive, option. You can even [build it on your own](https://github.com/Blockstream/jade/), if you feel adventurous. [Seedsigner](https://github.com/SeedSigner/seedsigner) - another DIY, fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, not for you if you're just starting up but something to consider later. [Krux wallet](https://selfcustody.github.io/krux/) - one more DIY hardware device, I love this one for many reasons. Similar to Seedsigner, it's fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, that is not for you right now if you're just starting up, but something to consider at a later stage and/or to up the security of your bitcoin. There's also Ledger, but I wouldn't recommend it as it's not fully open source, keep and already leaked customers' details, recently said they're capable of sending customers' keys out just with a firmware update, etc. **Stay away**, save yourself a headache in the future. Whatever wallet you'll decide to buy, purchase DIRECTLY from the manufacturer, no eBay, no Amazon. Make sure the device is NOT preset, and you will generate your own seed words. Write them down on any piece of paper as well as the receiving address. Now wipe the wallet and generate a new wallet. If the seed words are different from the first set, you're safe to use it. Find an option to set a passphrase and use it. This will boost the security to another level. Never store the seed words and passphrase together. Use a different medium if possible. If somebody finds both, they'll be able to steal your coin. This little device will hold the keys to your money, that's the reason why you have to be a bit more careful. Also, no worries, if it breaks, you can replace it - as long as you keep your seed words and passphrase(s) safe. Welcome to the rabbit hole and don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions anytime during your Bitcoin journey. Also, [check the sidebar](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/about) that's filled with lots of great info and if you have any questions, visit r/BitcoinBeginners or r/Bitcoin and look for the answers.

Desperate_Welder_950

We have had a topping, yes. But what about second topping? And new ETF? And government funds? - I dont think buttcoiners knows about these...

Simke11

Neither. Just buy in bear market / on deep corrections. You are buying highly volatile asset, not S&P 500 ETF

ButterscotchNo3319

Well, thats nice to have such an ambitious goal! Do you put all in Bitcoin or do you still diversify? I am still anxious to go all in and also save some money in a MSCI ETF

GlaxoSaxoMan

now BTC depends on stock markets. How? When Stocks go down —> ETF —> BTC —> Altcoins

Glass-Lifeguard1919

There's two train of thoughts here... A) the old fashioned way is to buy from exchange then withdraw to a hard wallet with a pass phrase. B the newer way is to buy in the ETF form, like IBIT for example. The younger me would tell you A every time. As I've gotten older, I'm inclined to take profits out of the hard wallets and execute my buys with the ETFs moving forward. If BTC goes under it doesn't really matter where you hold it. If you happen to die too soon or lose your pass phrase, your bitcoin will not get passed on to your loved ones. It just feels safer and secure in my humble opinions sitting in big firms like Fidelity & Vanguard.

blackjackn

I bought it for Crypto IRA and Roth IRA. Figure the spreads are less than ETF expense ratios if you hold for over 8 years.

fernst

The safest way to get exposure to crypto is a crypto ETF... Which is fundamentally the same as using the traditional baking industry

Putrid-Flounder-4278

That is what I plan to do, global ETF’s for the bulk of my inheritance, with maybe 5-10% for riskier bets. I plan on putting more of my own income into both regardless.

VariatCA

2025 has just been full of longer periods of downturn before each upward reversal, and those "brief" windows where BTC reached a new ATH were quickly swatted down and assaulted by shorts trying to dogpile on to suppress it. Basically since May, we've spent a solid month dropping as much as 10-15% down before the next upward momentum charge began. Even the ATH in August took another 7 weeks before the October run towards 126k. We're about 5 weeks out since then, contending with general US/Global uncertainties, the Oct 10th liquidation day, and a general ETF outflow trend... and still holding above 100k. So long as the economy and fiscal/monetary policy stays on track and bullish, this is just noise, and another solid opportunity for some accumulation.

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mazdarx2001

I totally agree with you. I understand why it should be 16 and that’s what everybody thinks and markets hardly ever go to where people think it’s just that the usual crypto players are selling into this momentum and they aren’t driving the prices down in this consolidation phase, and if they succeed, we will hit 60, but we don’t know neither you or I if they will succeed. Every time it gets to 100 or in the high 90s there are institutions ETF’s big money players buying that up and taking it out of the hands of the old timers so if this price holds and they’re all done and exhausted from selling, and the price starts to edge back up like it’s been doing, then they will have no choice but to FOMO back in or just give up on bitcoin altogether. We’ll have to wait and see which one it is.

Amber_Sam

Gets Strike, River or Swan instead. Much easier to use. Read/bookmark this guide and make sure to learn along your journey. Congrats on the move, it's never too late, [despite new people thinking otherwise](https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/rskpuf/i_have_only_600_bitcoinsi_missed_the_bus/). ONLY INVEST MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE. Invest in your knowledge, learn about Bitcoin as much as you can. The Bitcoin Standard book is a must read. So is Broken Money book. Get them and READ them both, please. Also, **don't reply any DMs**, emails, private messages on other social media, promising to buy Bitcoin from them or get rich quick by investing into some website. They all are scammers. Even the hot Asian chick, he's a scammer too. **Price wise, nobody knows what the price will be tomorrow, next week or at the end of the year.** **Try "Bitcoin ONLY" strategy for at least the first 210,000 block cycle**, you'll sleep much better. Newcomers lose so much money, holding garbage tokens just because someone on YT told them to. If you don't like losing money in [failed coins](https://www.coingecko.com/research/publications/how-many-cryptocurrencies-failed), avoid. Going DCA is probably the best approach, IMHO. Bitcoin to me, is a savings account. If I have some spare cash, I exchange it for sats. Once a week works best for me, but I'm getting paid weekly. If there's a 10% drop in the price since my last buy, I usually double my buy. This [DCA calculator](https://dca.bitnob.com/) might help to decide what will work best for you. In a few years, even $10 dollars a month can make a massive difference. This [DCA blog](https://er-bybitcoin.com/) is pretty interesting too and compares buying bitcoin VS stocks. Now, don't buy some fake bitcoin at a spot ETF place or similar, **get the real thing** that you can withdraw anytime you want. Register at a proper exchange and buy real Bitcoin. Any of these will do [https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin](https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin) Install (or buy - in case you're getting Bitcoin in Thousands of $) one or more of these wallets. **A few good wallet choices:** [https://blockstream.com/green/](https://blockstream.com/green/) \- Top Security Features, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://bluewallet.io](https://bluewallet.io/) \- excellent, easy to use wallet, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://www.sparrowwallet.com](https://www.sparrowwallet.com) - top desktop wallet [https://electrum.org](https://electrum.org/) \- Solid choice, Open Source and Non-Custodial, one of the oldest and most trusted Bitcoin Wallets. I prefer the desktop version but it works on mobile too. **Lightning wallets** to consider (cheaper and faster transactions, great for small amounts): [https://phoenix.acinq.co/](https://phoenix.acinq.co/) \- Phoenix - very good wallet, uses Tor for extra privacy, easy for anyone new [https://blixtwallet.github.io/](https://blixtwallet.github.io/) \- Blixt - great UI, fast and clean. The app runs a full LND node on your phone and you have the ability to easily open channels to whatever nodes you like. [https://zeusln.com/](https://zeusln.com/) Zeus - impressive wallet with many features, can even generate Nostr keys [https://breez.technology](https://breez.technology/) \- Breez - excellent POS for small business owners as well as integrated Bitrefill Note: Breez does also a hybrid liquid/LN wallet called Misty Breez - the sats being on liquid means no need for channels although the payments take a few extra seconds. You'll also can get a free customable LN address. While talking about hybrid wallets, there's also Aqua Wallet although not IMHO as good as Misty Breez. There are also custodial LN wallet but I would honestly avoid using them because you have to trust the wallet operator not to steal your money. Their only advantage is that they are incredibly easy to use, although it might cost you big one day. To keep up to date with spending wallets, visit r/TheLightningNetwork at least once a while and perhaps r/RGB in the future. **Hardware Wallets** (to store larger amounts): [Trezor](https://trezor.io/) \- Easy to use, no matter how new in Bitcoin you're. Use the Bitcoin only firmware as it's safer than a multi coin software. [ColdCard](https://coldcardwallet.com/) - air gapped, Bitcoin only, has advanced features but a new user will do fine with one of the great tutorials available. [BitBox02](https://bitbox.swiss/bitbox02/bitcoin-only/) - another great little device, opt for the more secure Bitcoin ONLY version (less coins = less code = less chance for a hidden bug or a backdoor) [Jade](https://blockstream.com/jade) - air gapped, fully open source, Bitcoin only, great features. There's a newer version called Jade Plus, it has much better camera and overall is a better, although a bit more expensive, option. You can even [build it on your own](https://github.com/Blockstream/jade/), if you feel adventurous. [Seedsigner](https://github.com/SeedSigner/seedsigner) - another DIY, fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, not for you if you're just starting up but something to consider later. [Krux wallet](https://selfcustody.github.io/krux/) - one more DIY hardware device, I love this one for many reasons. Similar to Seedsigner, it's fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, that is not for you right now if you're just starting up, but something to consider at a later stage and/or to up the security of your bitcoin. There's also Ledger, but I wouldn't recommend it as it's not fully open source, keep and already leaked customers' details, recently said they're capable of sending customers' keys out just with a firmware update, etc. **Stay away**, save yourself a headache in the future. Whatever wallet you'll decide to buy, purchase DIRECTLY from the manufacturer, no eBay, no Amazon. Make sure the device is NOT preset, and you will generate your own seed words. Write them down on any piece of paper as well as the receiving address. Now wipe the wallet and generate a new wallet. If the seed words are different from the first set, you're safe to use it. Find an option to set a passphrase and use it. This will boost the security to another level. Never store the seed words and passphrase together. Use a different medium if possible. If somebody finds both, they'll be able to steal your coin. This little device will hold the keys to your money, that's the reason why you have to be a bit more careful. Also, no worries, if it breaks, you can replace it - as long as you keep your seed words and passphrase(s) safe. Welcome to the rabbit hole and don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions anytime during your Bitcoin journey. Also, [check the sidebar](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/about) that's filled with lots of great info and if you have any questions, visit r/BitcoinBeginners or r/Bitcoin and look for the answers.

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tldr; 2025 was a pivotal year for cryptocurrency, emphasizing utility and institutional integration over speculation. Bitcoin thrived due to US spot ETFs, maintaining a price near $100,000. Ether rebounded after ETF approval, while privacy coins like Zcash and Monero gained traction amid demand for financial anonymity. XRP settled its SEC case, achieving legal clarity, and Solana introduced significant upgrades. Newcomer Hyperliquid showed strong growth, and BNB expanded its ecosystem. The year highlighted the importance of innovation, transparency, and real-world use in shaping crypto's future. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

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tldr; Despite a sharp market correction in October, 61% of institutional investors plan to increase their cryptocurrency exposure, according to a Sygnum report. The survey of 1,000 global institutions found that 73% are motivated by expectations of higher returns. Investor sentiment faces uncertainty due to regulatory delays, including altcoin ETF approvals. However, interest in diversified crypto ETFs and staking rewards remains high, signaling strong institutional demand despite fiscal and geopolitical pressures. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

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LinusVPelt

Just for the type of investors. ETF and treasury companies are more long term oriented.

spilltrend

But, but, The Halving. Trump tarrifs and ETF's may have broken The Halving.

Juice79man

I am currently at 70% stocks 30% crypto. In my Roth I have 50% in FBTC and 50% between 2 aggressive stock ETF’s. In my retirement account the don’t currently offer crypto so I’m 80% in aggressive stock mutual fund. 20% in a Dividend mutual fund.

KlearCat

> Blackrock will do just fine if one of its ETFs is a dud. It's not just "one of it's ETFs" it's the most profitable ETF they have. Also their reputation would be in the absolute shitter considering they have been actively promoting it. > They make 0 promise about it being a good idea to hold but instead as a convenient way to hold bitcoin. Larry Fink called bitcoin a "flight to quality." That's big words from someone like him. There is no way Fink/Blackrock would be promoting this if they thought it was going to 0.

Strict_Engine4039

Interesting. Why did you buy an ETF why didn’t you just buy Eth?

GetRichQuickStocks

I dunno I put 30k into an Ethereum ETF a few days ago and I’m already up 2500

Amber_Sam

We all have been where you're at right now. Just in case, read/bookmark this guide and make sure to learn along your journey. Congrats on the move, it's never too late, [despite new people thinking otherwise](https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/rskpuf/i_have_only_600_bitcoinsi_missed_the_bus/). ONLY INVEST MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE. Invest in your knowledge, learn about Bitcoin as much as you can. The Bitcoin Standard book is a must read. So is Broken Money book. Get them and READ them both, please. Also, **don't reply any DMs**, emails, private messages on other social media, promising to buy Bitcoin from them or get rich quick by investing into some website. They all are scammers. Even the hot Asian chick, he's a scammer too. **Price wise, nobody knows what the price will be tomorrow, next week or at the end of the year.** **Try "Bitcoin ONLY" strategy for at least the first 210,000 block cycle**, you'll sleep much better. Newcomers lose so much money, holding garbage tokens just because someone on YT told them to. If you don't like losing money in [failed coins](https://www.coingecko.com/research/publications/how-many-cryptocurrencies-failed), avoid. Going DCA is probably the best approach, IMHO. Bitcoin to me, is a savings account. If I have some spare cash, I exchange it for sats. Once a week works best for me, but I'm getting paid weekly. If there's a 10% drop in the price since my last buy, I usually double my buy. This [DCA calculator](https://dca.bitnob.com/) might help to decide what will work best for you. In a few years, even $10 dollars a month can make a massive difference. This [DCA blog](https://er-bybitcoin.com/) is pretty interesting too and compares buying bitcoin VS stocks. Now, don't buy some fake bitcoin at a spot ETF place or similar, **get the real thing** that you can withdraw anytime you want. Register at a proper exchange and buy real Bitcoin. Any of these will do [https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin](https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin) Install (or buy - in case you're getting Bitcoin in Thousands of $) one or more of these wallets. **A few good wallet choices:** [https://blockstream.com/green/](https://blockstream.com/green/) \- Top Security Features, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://bluewallet.io](https://bluewallet.io/) \- excellent, easy to use wallet, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://www.sparrowwallet.com](https://www.sparrowwallet.com) - top desktop wallet [https://electrum.org](https://electrum.org/) \- Solid choice, Open Source and Non-Custodial, one of the oldest and most trusted Bitcoin Wallets. I prefer the desktop version but it works on mobile too. **Lightning wallets** to consider (cheaper and faster transactions, great for small amounts): [https://phoenix.acinq.co/](https://phoenix.acinq.co/) \- Phoenix - very good wallet, uses Tor for extra privacy, easy for anyone new [https://blixtwallet.github.io/](https://blixtwallet.github.io/) \- Blixt - great UI, fast and clean. The app runs a full LND node on your phone and you have the ability to easily open channels to whatever nodes you like. [https://zeusln.com/](https://zeusln.com/) Zeus - impressive wallet with many features, can even generate Nostr keys [https://breez.technology](https://breez.technology/) \- Breez - excellent POS for small business owners as well as integrated Bitrefill Note: Breez does also a hybrid liquid/LN wallet called Misty Breez - the sats being on liquid means no need for channels although the payments take a few extra seconds. You'll also can get a free customable LN address. While talking about hybrid wallets, there's also Aqua Wallet although not IMHO as good as Misty Breez. There are also custodial LN wallet but I would honestly avoid using them because you have to trust the wallet operator not to steal your money. Their only advantage is that they are incredibly easy to use, although it might cost you big one day. To keep up to date with spending wallets, visit r/TheLightningNetwork at least once a while and perhaps r/RGB in the future. **Hardware Wallets** (to store larger amounts): [Trezor](https://trezor.io/) \- Easy to use, no matter how new in Bitcoin you're. Use the Bitcoin only firmware as it's safer than a multi coin software. [ColdCard](https://coldcardwallet.com/) - air gapped, Bitcoin only, has advanced features but a new user will do fine with one of the great tutorials available. [BitBox02](https://bitbox.swiss/bitbox02/bitcoin-only/) - another great little device, opt for the more secure Bitcoin ONLY version (less coins = less code = less chance for a hidden bug or a backdoor) [Jade](https://blockstream.com/jade) - air gapped, fully open source, Bitcoin only, great features. There's a newer version called Jade Plus, it has much better camera and overall is a better, although a bit more expensive, option. You can even [build it on your own](https://github.com/Blockstream/jade/), if you feel adventurous. [Seedsigner](https://github.com/SeedSigner/seedsigner) - another DIY, fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, not for you if you're just starting up but something to consider later. [Krux wallet](https://selfcustody.github.io/krux/) - one more DIY hardware device, I love this one for many reasons. Similar to Seedsigner, it's fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, that is not for you right now if you're just starting up, but something to consider at a later stage and/or to up the security of your bitcoin. There's also Ledger, but I wouldn't recommend it as it's not fully open source, keep and already leaked customers' details, recently said they're capable of sending customers' keys out just with a firmware update, etc. **Stay away**, save yourself a headache in the future. Whatever wallet you'll decide to buy, purchase DIRECTLY from the manufacturer, no eBay, no Amazon. Make sure the device is NOT preset, and you will generate your own seed words. Write them down on any piece of paper as well as the receiving address. Now wipe the wallet and generate a new wallet. If the seed words are different from the first set, you're safe to use it. Find an option to set a passphrase and use it. This will boost the security to another level. Never store the seed words and passphrase together. Use a different medium if possible. If somebody finds both, they'll be able to steal your coin. This little device will hold the keys to your money, that's the reason why you have to be a bit more careful. Also, no worries, if it breaks, you can replace it - as long as you keep your seed words and passphrase(s) safe. Welcome to the rabbit hole and don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions anytime during your Bitcoin journey. Also, [check the sidebar](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/about) that's filled with lots of great info and if you have any questions, visit r/BitcoinBeginners or r/Bitcoin and look for the answers.

Amber_Sam

Have a look at peachbitcoin, mate. Also, read/bookmark this guide and make sure to learn along your journey. Congrats on the move, it's never too late, [despite new people thinking otherwise](https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/rskpuf/i_have_only_600_bitcoinsi_missed_the_bus/). ONLY INVEST MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE. Invest in your knowledge, learn about Bitcoin as much as you can. The Bitcoin Standard book is a must read. So is Broken Money book. Get them and READ them both, please. Also, **don't reply any DMs**, emails, private messages on other social media, promising to buy Bitcoin from them or get rich quick by investing into some website. They all are scammers. Even the hot Asian chick, he's a scammer too. **Price wise, nobody knows what the price will be tomorrow, next week or at the end of the year.** **Try "Bitcoin ONLY" strategy for at least the first 210,000 block cycle**, you'll sleep much better. Newcomers lose so much money, holding garbage tokens just because someone on YT told them to. If you don't like losing money in [failed coins](https://www.coingecko.com/research/publications/how-many-cryptocurrencies-failed), avoid. Going DCA is probably the best approach, IMHO. Bitcoin to me, is a savings account. If I have some spare cash, I exchange it for sats. Once a week works best for me, but I'm getting paid weekly. If there's a 10% drop in the price since my last buy, I usually double my buy. This [DCA calculator](https://dca.bitnob.com/) might help to decide what will work best for you. In a few years, even $10 dollars a month can make a massive difference. This [DCA blog](https://er-bybitcoin.com/) is pretty interesting too and compares buying bitcoin VS stocks. Now, don't buy some fake bitcoin at a spot ETF place or similar, **get the real thing** that you can withdraw anytime you want. Register at a proper exchange and buy real Bitcoin. Any of these will do [https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin](https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin) Install (or buy - in case you're getting Bitcoin in Thousands of $) one or more of these wallets. **A few good wallet choices:** [https://blockstream.com/green/](https://blockstream.com/green/) \- Top Security Features, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://bluewallet.io](https://bluewallet.io/) \- excellent, easy to use wallet, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://www.sparrowwallet.com](https://www.sparrowwallet.com) - top desktop wallet [https://electrum.org](https://electrum.org/) \- Solid choice, Open Source and Non-Custodial, one of the oldest and most trusted Bitcoin Wallets. I prefer the desktop version but it works on mobile too. **Lightning wallets** to consider (cheaper and faster transactions, great for small amounts): [https://phoenix.acinq.co/](https://phoenix.acinq.co/) \- Phoenix - very good wallet, uses Tor for extra privacy, easy for anyone new [https://blixtwallet.github.io/](https://blixtwallet.github.io/) \- Blixt - great UI, fast and clean. The app runs a full LND node on your phone and you have the ability to easily open channels to whatever nodes you like. [https://zeusln.com/](https://zeusln.com/) Zeus - impressive wallet with many features, can even generate Nostr keys [https://breez.technology](https://breez.technology/) \- Breez - excellent POS for small business owners as well as integrated Bitrefill Note: Breez does also a hybrid liquid/LN wallet called Misty Breez - the sats being on liquid means no need for channels although the payments take a few extra seconds. You'll also can get a free customable LN address. While talking about hybrid wallets, there's also Aqua Wallet although not IMHO as good as Misty Breez. There are also custodial LN wallet but I would honestly avoid using them because you have to trust the wallet operator not to steal your money. Their only advantage is that they are incredibly easy to use, although it might cost you big one day. To keep up to date with spending wallets, visit r/TheLightningNetwork at least once a while and perhaps r/RGB in the future. **Hardware Wallets** (to store larger amounts): [Trezor](https://trezor.io/) \- Easy to use, no matter how new in Bitcoin you're. Use the Bitcoin only firmware as it's safer than a multi coin software. [ColdCard](https://coldcardwallet.com/) - air gapped, Bitcoin only, has advanced features but a new user will do fine with one of the great tutorials available. [BitBox02](https://bitbox.swiss/bitbox02/bitcoin-only/) - another great little device, opt for the more secure Bitcoin ONLY version (less coins = less code = less chance for a hidden bug or a backdoor) [Jade](https://blockstream.com/jade) - air gapped, fully open source, Bitcoin only, great features. There's a newer version called Jade Plus, it has much better camera and overall is a better, although a bit more expensive, option. You can even [build it on your own](https://github.com/Blockstream/jade/), if you feel adventurous. [Seedsigner](https://github.com/SeedSigner/seedsigner) - another DIY, fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, not for you if you're just starting up but something to consider later. [Krux wallet](https://selfcustody.github.io/krux/) - one more DIY hardware device, I love this one for many reasons. Similar to Seedsigner, it's fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, that is not for you right now if you're just starting up, but something to consider at a later stage and/or to up the security of your bitcoin. There's also Ledger, but I wouldn't recommend it as it's not fully open source, keep and already leaked customers' details, recently said they're capable of sending customers' keys out just with a firmware update, etc. **Stay away**, save yourself a headache in the future. Whatever wallet you'll decide to buy, purchase DIRECTLY from the manufacturer, no eBay, no Amazon. Make sure the device is NOT preset, and you will generate your own seed words. Write them down on any piece of paper as well as the receiving address. Now wipe the wallet and generate a new wallet. If the seed words are different from the first set, you're safe to use it. Find an option to set a passphrase and use it. This will boost the security to another level. Never store the seed words and passphrase together. Use a different medium if possible. If somebody finds both, they'll be able to steal your coin. This little device will hold the keys to your money, that's the reason why you have to be a bit more careful. Also, no worries, if it breaks, you can replace it - as long as you keep your seed words and passphrase(s) safe. Welcome to the rabbit hole and don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions anytime during your Bitcoin journey. Also, [check the sidebar](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/about) that's filled with lots of great info and if you have any questions, visit r/BitcoinBeginners or r/Bitcoin and look for the answers.

KlearCat

Yes, but it’s also important to note that Blackrock doesn’t want that. There is no way Blackrock would create a Bitcoin ETF and actively market that EatF to its customers if they thought Bitcoin was going to die and go to 0.

Downtown-University7

JP Morgan buying bitcoin via Blackrock ETF…either way Blackrock is facilitating bitcoinization

devCheckingIn

I'm guessing we're going to see ETF outflows today.

ignore_my_typo

I’m in Canada and we have TFSA. I do have allocation to BTC ETF in my tax free account as well as spot bitcoin in cold storage.

BitcoinIRA

Nice, are you using anything like a Crypto IRA or ETF?

BrainCelll

The best i can give: dont buy/trade ETF, but ACTUAL Bitcoin

benskieast

It is worth pointing out Blackrock will make a ton of money even if Bitcoin loses 10% a year every year until it is worthless again. They get nearly 8X $ the revenue per dollar of assets under management as opposed to there S and P 500 ETF, and no licensing fees to S and P which total 1.6 billion for all index funds, and you only need to trade one asset, not 500. No rebalancing or churn, just keeping assets held in line with assets invested.

BlackRockResearch

That's an excellent question, and we're happy to clarify what's happening here. The movement of Bitcoin to a secure custodian like Coinbase is a routine part of managing the iShares Bitcoin Trust (IBIT), which is a spot Bitcoin ETF. When investors buy shares of the ETF, we, as the asset manager, purchase the underlying Bitcoin on behalf of those investors. To be clear, this Bitcoin is not owned by BlackRock; it is owned by the clients invested in the fund. Our role is to ensure the Bitcoin is held safely and securely, and Coinbase serves as the custodian for those assets. These transfers reflect the ongoing process of managing the fund to match investor activity. We hope this explanation is helpful! Maria G.

Beneficial_Poet_7983

Blackrock are only buying Bitcoin to satisfy the needs of the physical Bitcoin ETF. This is the case for all of those 'assets under management'. Blackrock and others are not investing in Bitcoin, their customers are.

Impressive-Cat-3144

Actual Bitcoin > Blackrock Bitcoin ETF - IBIT Trust yourself over anyone else!

quintavious_danilo

Probably because of ETF outflows because of angsty lettuce hands

LetWinnersRun

Long term most people are going to be invested in Bitcoin through ETF. It’s just easier for most people.

Lavayo

April 24, just AFTER the ETF ATH, up 36,4% just now. Let's just wait another 7 years and see where we end up!

ChildOfRoths

I don’t fully agree with the projection but the way I see it is Bitcoin ETF is out for only over a year compared to spy over 32 years. It’s in everyone’s retirement account and will continue to rise greatly for the next few decades.

CriticalCobraz

**Summary:** BlackRock is expanding its global Bitcoin strategy by launching the iShares Bitcoin ETF (IBIT) on the Australian Securities Exchange (ASX), expected to debut in mid-November 2025. This ETF will provide Australian investors with regulated exposure to Bitcoin through a traditional exchange, eliminating the need for offshore accounts or direct crypto custody. The fund will carry a 0.39% management fee and track the U.S.-listed iShares Bitcoin Trust (NASDAQ: IBIT). This move aligns Australia with major jurisdictions like the U.S., Germany, and Switzerland, reflecting growing institutional demand for Bitcoin in the Asia-Pacific region. The launch follows updated regulatory guidance from the Australian Securities and Investments Commission, requiring crypto-related services to obtain an Australian Financial Services Licence by 2026.

Zealousideal_Rain_79

Focus on DOT. It will lunch its ETF in a few days!

JerseyJimmyAsheville

As it pertains to Bitcoin only, I have not studied Litecoin in as much detail, but the results I found were this: at appx 16-18 months after halving is when it tops out, and at 30 months, or 12 months after the peak, is when its lowest point during the cycle. But here is the kicker, ETF’s launched in February of 2024 and BTC halved in late April, and I believe that the ETF’s launches positively impacted the price of BTC due to the ETF inflows, normally the price remains stagnant and a bit more volatile than what it was. I personally still argue that the cycle is still intact, the rise after halving was a few months delayed, I think the same thing will happen this year with Bitcoin topping out in mid December, instead of mid to early October. If it does, you’ll know the cycle is still good, if not, I still question how much the ETF’s, stock market levers, and Market Makers impacted the price. The eventuality is that it has to go up, the question is at what rate. I’m a market guy, I do not hold BTC forever, I try to buy low and sell high, it sounds you are the same. Preservation of capital is always my first goal.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Ethereum rebounded by over 4% in the last 24 hours after a sharp sell-off that reduced its market value below $400 billion. Trading volume reached $26.425 billion, with Ethereum outperforming Bitcoin and the broader crypto market. The rebound is attributed to improved liquidity and bullish ETF inflows, with $3 billion in weekly institutional demand. Ethereum's market value has now surpassed $420 billion. Additionally, Mastercard and MetaMask announced a partnership to launch a crypto payment card, enhancing global crypto transactions. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

will-memorize

XRP is waiting on approval of an ETF. This cannot happen until the government opens again. An ETF will allow investment firms to hold crypto for their investors. Ripple is attempting to keep the XRP supply high. This will keep prices lower. Why do this? When investment firms can buy Ripple wants the price attractive with a potential for rapid gain.

FnCraig

None. This week was really big ETF outflows.

FnCraig

We've had significant ETF outflows this week. That doesn't track.

8llllllllllllllD---

Definitely. I don’t know much about computers and the internet. I’ve read and watched explanations of blockchain and crypto, but still don’t really know what it is. For your example I think through an ETF or something it could be good. That seems like a simple way to get into crypto.

processwater

This. Just like when "black rock buys bajillions" is just ETF inflow

jensenroessler

R/ETF is so frustrating at times. Especially now that there’s a Bitcoin ETF, they can’t cope lol.

CloudCity40

You know that JP Morgan isn't buying bitcoin as an investment for their own portfolio, right? They custody it on behalf of their customers who are buying it through JP Morgan's bitcoin ETF. If bitcoin goes to zero, JP Morgan doesn't lose a penny.

Romanizer

Yeah, that's probably where you take out what you need and put the rest into a Bitcoin ETF ready for inheritance.

Fabulous-Wasabi-9358

I am a novice investor and still learning the ropes. I understand the long term strategy to dca and hodl. But why is it not better to follow the cycle to your advantage by selling towards the end of the bull run, putting the funds in an ETF and then buying back in bear season? Even if you don't time it well, which almost always will be the case, your returns should still be better, no? Not only are you taking profits in a bull run but also making the momey work for you by reinvesting. What rookie mistake am I making in this scenario?

SpendHefty6066

It is not knowable from on chain analysis. The ETF stewards alone can answer this.

VariatCA

"People are done with BTC and it being relatively flat for a year, they instead yearn for alts down 30-70% YTD" Another prime example of why retail loses money on random alts, while institutions/ETF's stick with the far more reliable store of value for their money.

HedgehogGlad9505

Self custody is the best. If you really have to not own your coins, ETF like FBTC is more secure than Gemini or Kraken. Only hold bitcoins inthe exchanges if you want to trade 24/7.

rocket_beer

2 things; You just described why the ETF is nonsense And… You are exaggerating

DruPeacock23

54% of the stocks are owned by institutions. If you have an ETF you may not even know or care you have MSTR as part of your portfolio.

Savik519

I feel like 2021 started the financialization of BTC with MSTR getting serious about being a treasury company. ETF push started around then too, even though the approval came much later the narrative was already strong.

namieorange

Hmmmm ETF have had massive outflows in the last few weeks as well. But I also want some of that hopium so I'll look the article up

will-memorize

With the government shutdown, the ETF for XRP cannot be approved and move forward. Until there is an ETF for XRP large investment firm cannot invest in it for their clients. Ripple is laying the groundwork and establishing important relationships to move forward. When that happens, XRP will move upward. Ripple is continuing to affect the market so that the price remains low. This is so that when the ETF runs, XRP’s price will still be very attractive to investment firms. All cryptos have their own story. You cannot plot the trajectory based off of Bitcoin or ETH. Not yet anyhow… Do us a favor and sell it so that guys doing the research can buy lower and sell higher. Right now I am trying to figure out how to buy more and add to my meager holdings.

pcm2a

BTC was around $40k in January 2024. The ETF released around $44k. Seems like we are killing it.

VinoDFW1974

Consider a ETH 2x ETF to play a little catch up.

Correct_Resource5934

Good post. I think you’re reading the market right. it really does feel like we’re stuck in a “half-risk-on, half-sidelines” phase where liquidity is testing the waters but not committing anywhere yet. BTC and ETH are soaking up nearly all structural liquidity, especially with ETF flows reinforcing them as the only true capital hubs. Everything else, including RWAs, is mostly narrative until that liquidity base expands. On the RWA side, I’ve been watching what [Datamine](https://x.com/dataminenetwork) is doing after reading their piece on Ethereum’s modular liquidity thesis. Their focus on *liquidity as infrastructure* actually makes a lot of sense in this environment. Instead of trying to compete for attention with new chains or tokenomics, they’re doubling down on the idea that sustainable projects have to plug into the biggest liquidity centers, ETH and its rollup ecosystem. That aligns perfectly with what we’re seeing now: projects without deep liquidity just die quietly between cycles.

Cool_Difficulty5924

I was lucky enough to stack 0.38 back in 22 & 23. Ive been focusing on my ETF on the stock market recently but when the big dip comes on BTC im gonna start loading up on it again.

SXLightning

I feel like this makes sense people buy into ETF for long term normally so they won’t be selling that quickly

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Ethereum recorded $508 million in net outflows this week, marking its third-largest weekly ETF redemption since launch. Bitcoin ETFs also experienced significant investor withdrawals during the same period. Analysts suggest these outflows reflect short-term institutional caution and a temporary risk-off sentiment amid market uncertainty. The parallel outflows from both Ethereum and Bitcoin ETFs may indicate profit-taking by institutional investors after previous capital inflows into these digital asset funds. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

devCheckingIn

Looks like BTC price was suppressed a bit yesterday by massive ETF outflows. Could explain why alts were running relatively better than BTC.

jackieboybikesalot

He runs a bitcoin ETF he has to tell you to buy lol...

OutlawLazerRoboGeek

It probably depends on how hardcore of a crypto nerd he was. And maybe how paranoid he was about security. The lowest level of security, and and easiest to access, would be things like Bitcoin ETF on traditional brokerage accounts. So if he had a investment account at Fidelity or some place like that, and he has any of the symbols IBIT, GBTC, FBTC, etc, then that might be where the value is. But that would be pretty transparent and easily accessible for the estate lawyer to handle. The second lowest level would be keeping funds on a crypto exchange. Binance, Kraken, Coinbase, etc. Almost everyone who deals in crypto has at least one of these accounts because its the easiest way to get funds between crypto and "normal" money. In the past it was very risky to keep funds on an exchange long term due to hacking, regulation, and exchange collapse, but with 2FA and other measures, it's somewhat more acceptable now. The old school and high security way would be to keep your own coins on your own wallets. These are essentially digital bank accounts, that can be accessed through a number of different apps. But you will need a lot more passwords and codes to get to these. it's not just like username and password. It might be a long alphanumeric code, or a series of words that sound like nonsense, or even a text file on the computer that just looks like gibberish. The most secure way would be something like an encrypted hardware wallet. That is something you would need to have physically in your possession (most look like a chunky USB stick) along with whatever authentication means he set up, codes, passwords, phrases, (could even be biometric), in order to access the coins. I would go down this list from easiest to hardest. If you don't find any evidence of the easier ones, then move to the harder ones. In most cases the good thing about crypto is there isn't any ticking clock, other than people throwing away his records where he might have written down the passwords. The valuable coins generally become more valuable over time, and if the security is hard for you to get through, then it would be 10x harder for anyone else to do the same and steal anything. Good luck

DryMyBottom

if taxation on BTC increased a lot in your country starting from 2026, would you move your investment from the real thing to the ETF where the taxation stays the same? 

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; JPMorgan Chase has increased its holdings in the iShares Bitcoin Trust ETF by 64%, raising its shares from 3,217,056 to 5,284,190, valued at over $343 million as of September 30, 2025. This move comes as the U.S. spot Bitcoin ETF market recently ended a six-day streak of outflows, with significant net inflows recorded. The bank's increased investment reflects growing confidence in Bitcoin ETFs, which have seen fluctuating market conditions. Bitcoin's price remains near $100,000, with potential for further growth according to JPMorgan's projections. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

riscten

You're right. Can't hold raw Bitcoin in a traditional account (anywhere, not just WS). That's what I meant though (but definitely didn't articulate clearly): If it's going to stay on WS, ETF in a TFSA; otherwise, cold wallet. Don't just leave it in a crypto account.

Just_a_chill_guyyy

Reversal in play... Stock market is deleveraging, being pumped back to crypto. Also ETF anticipation for lots of crypto coming up.

CapitalIncome845

Don't think WS lets you hold crypto in a non-crypto account, registered or otherwise. A bitcoin ETF, that's possible.

Dark_Raiden_

Credit to u/biba8163 : Looks like nobody cared for random Altcoin ETF launches on October 28th: - Litecoin ETF did $1.5 Million volume on first day of trading - HBAR ETF did $8.5 Million volume on first day of trading - Solana staking ETF did $55 Miilion volume on first day of trading For comparison: - *"Bitcoin ETF volumes eclipse $4.5B on first day of trading"* - *"Spot Ethereum ETFs generate over $1 Billion in trading volume on first day"* ---- ETF is going to create demand where it is already weak.

Fancy-Chicken-3730

How do people say retail never came this cycle when ETF’s are primarily retail?

KlearCat

> 126k is the peak which is mid Mid? How new are you to this space? The ETF launch was easily the most obvious buy signal for bitcoin since it's launch and that was in early 2024 at a price of around 42k. Most of my buys were around $300 per bitcoin. It's hilarious to read people complaining about bitcoin and it's over $100k

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Senior Bloomberg ETF analyst Eric Balchunas clarified that Bitcoin ETFs are not to blame for the recent BTC sell-off, which saw a 20% price drop in October. Instead, the sell-off was driven by Bitcoin whales and long-term holders who sold 405,000 BTC, valued at over $41.3 billion. ETFs experienced less than $1 billion in outflows during the crash, with inflows resuming shortly after. Analysts suggest ETFs are stabilizing Bitcoin's price volatility, signaling market maturation and growing confidence in Bitcoin's long-term value. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

yldf

With backing the seed up I mean storing multiple copies of the seed in different places, secure from access of other parties. The worst thing you can do is having a hardware wallet and no backup of your seed whatsoever. If you do that, stop doing it and buy an ETF instead. A single backup copy, say, a piece of paper in your house where you’ve written it down, is better than nothing, but still playing with fire. But in practice, anything under 2-3 backup copies in different places is too much of a risk of losing everything.

Zealousideal_Rain_79

Yeah! DOT and FET went parabolic! BlackRock’s buying DOT ahead of the upcoming ETF and the Polkadot 2.0 network rebirth. They’re also getting into FET because of the AI agent narrative.

Frequent_Optimist

5,284,190 shares of BlackRock’s Bitcoin ETF worth $343M, up 64% from its last disclosure.

AbysmalScepter

I feel like you're discarding the optionality that a hardware wallet gives you across all of these. Like yes, you could setup an ETF account for short-term holdings, a live hot wallet for spending, and a paper wallet for long-term holdings, but it also creates a complete mess of different things you gotta manage. Sure, a hardware wallet may not be the best for each of these individually, but it does give you optionality across all of them with a high base threshold of security.

Fit-Property3774

They actually just bought shares and options in an ETF that holds BTC. Literally in the article linked.

wayfarer8888

They simply increased their stake in IBIT, an ETF. They don't hold BTC. Could be a risk management thing, maybe fairy dust to check off "crypto" in some alternative strategies fund.

leobentier

Somehow the bitcoin ETFs took in cash yest and have seen <$1b in outflows during the 20% drawdown = 99.5% of the assets hung tough. Told y'all the ETF-using boomers are no joke. So who's been selling? To quote that horror movie, "ma'am, the call is coming from inside the house"