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Freeloader_

people saying no are stupid every rich man is investing borrowed money and not their own it depends on what interest you can get I could borrow money for 3,5% interest. it was a no brainer to take it. anything will beat that (stocks, crypto, ETF) so if you have a pretty low interest and you can comfortably afford to pay it monthly, then sure also dont take some gigantic amount that would send you under a bridge if something catastrophic happened

vium99

Well ETF inflows were and are not structural positive, they were negative the last months mostly, but for all the other Im with you.

AidenTai

You might find this interesting: [https://www.theblock.co/post/404714/bitcoin-bottom-crypto-funds-outlook](https://www.theblock.co/post/404714/bitcoin-bottom-crypto-funds-outlook) Though it was written prior to the Iran announcement. At least on firm (Standard Chartered) thinks that based on the combination of a mild top, low RSI / sentiment / open interest, strong resistance around 60 / 200 SMA and the imminent resolution for the Iran war point to the bottom being in. But most think this rally will eventually reverse (who knows, maybe we go up the rest of June before dropping. Still, it's hard to predict the future, and it's really hard to know this right now (we're a little early). If we see the bottom tested and rejected a few times and if the global economy does well, then we might have bottomed. But a poor global economy this summer or long stretches of ETF outflows after this week (assuming this week is all positive) would lead to a breakdown.

BullionBarter

Someone has to absorb all those ETF outflows.

financeguruIB

Where did you buy those ETF? And i also looked into OKB. I love the tokenomics of the token

BullionBarter

This time it's different because of derivatives like ETF and futures have destroyed price discovery of the underlying asset. The asset is now a tool to create yield through carry trades, and the yields are no longer competitive.

JerseyJimmyAsheville

Never calculated it in days….but I buy the most I can in months 28-34 of the cycle and then continue to buy up to halving and then 4-6 months after halving. Then at month 17-18, I sell it all and then short it for 12 months ( thanks to several ETF’s and options that didn’t exist before this cycle ) and have more than doubled my stash on the way down. I will clear my short position by late September and start accumulating again in October.

CODE_HEIST

I think it is both, but the hierarchy changed. Crypto-native narratives still matter, but macro decides whether the market has permission to care. In easy liquidity, a protocol upgrade, ETF flow, meme cycle, or halving narrative can get amplified. In risk-off, those same catalysts often get ignored because everything is being priced as duration/liquidity beta. So I’d frame it as: macro sets the tide, crypto narratives decide which boats move fastest once the tide is favorable.

Hour_Flounder1405

because of branding...name recognition. where is amazon 2.0 ? doesn't exist apple 2.0 ? doesn't exist sure it could and there are some markets that do have competition...home depot vs lowes. pepsi versus coke. but at the end of the day, it really is about name and brand recognition. I'm a chevy guy, ford sucks. I am a bitcoin investor, doge sucks. kind of like that. and the numbers prove this is true. bitcoin is literally the king of all crypto from a volume factor. and to address what makes it unique other than brand and name recognition are several facts a. there is a fixed number issued. beyond halving, there are no more in the supply. In this regard it stands pretty much alone in the crypto ecosphere as about as close to a gold standard store of value asset. b. very very few major institutions are buying any other crypto in the same scale and magnitude as bitcoin compared to all of the other "coins". That should inform you clearly that the big money has made it's decision about where to place its investments. One would be foolish to igonore this aspect of maturation of bitcoin. It is a "thing" now that not long ago, wallstreet ignored and dismissed as hype. That has changed and now it's a common investment class all of its own, in margin trading, derivatives, credit swaps, lending, ETF's, you name it, almost every single investment vehicle has bitcoin. There are even mutual funds and ira's that have bitcoin exposure. but back to the point. what IF, bitcoin 2.0 could be created? then the question is why would anyone choose it versus the original recipe? what would distinguish 2.0 and make it a better option? or look at it this way...wouldn't we expect bitcoin to innovate and use its vast reserves to make new options available versus becoming stagnant and subject to the prpspect of a new up and comer? And many have tried I will remind...and all of them have failed except etherium based crypto. Etherium is proving to be a very good substitute, but the volatilty is far more extreme and unlike bitcoin there is no limit to the theoretical amount of eth that can be supplied. So the store of value is not there. But it does have network features and smart contract features that make it ideal for some really important and significant transactional real world utility. bitcoin = coca cola etherium = pepsi.

levelup1by1

just buy bitcoin and DRAM ETF

Outrageous_Sample901

People saying that means you’re early. It could be like calling computers a fad in the 1980s. But like anything else never invest more than you’re willing to lose. Crypto can drop or gain 50 percent in the blink of any eye. Keep most of your retirement in an S&P ETF.

Lazy-weekend161

I agree with your point, but the Bitcoin ETF seems to have made things murkier as well with Bitcoin.

Kitchen-Ad-9531

Well there are State befits if you can't work. If you lose your job a temp agency or McDonald's should be able to cover your bills at 21. If not you're living above your means. You would cut everything out but phone rent car. So not really sure you need 20k. Yes it's nice to have but I would invest in an ETF the other 15k . You can always sell. Not sure why people don't treat ETF as a 2nd emergency fund. The point of investing is returning on your money m not hold forever even in an emergency. After a year he should be up on any ETF investment m Last but not least he is buying a BTC dip. Buy the dip if you believe in BTC and than buy replace your savings. But you should focus on 1 ETF until about 25k in it A little about me so you know I'm not giving bad advice. 38 with 375k in investments, ( I don't include any retirement accounts except IRA Roth in this amount) You cannot include 401ks or money that you will be penalized or taxed on in your calculations of your net worth because you do not have access to that money until retirement age. Unless you're willing to pay the 10% and the taxes it's while I'm really invest in my 401k except for the match. Own a house and have about 25k in Cash. I do have 60k of the 375 in money and market account as cash on hands in Charles Schwab for dips and opportunity. Crypto (separate from investment accounts) don't ever include this in your stock balance crypto is different investment. 2.5k avaxx at 8.40, 10 ethereum at 1746, about 7k in BTC ( You should only be aiming for a 1x on bitcoin from 60 to $120)

textoro

because ETF is for plebs, banks end funds always keep the sources and print fakes for the rest

No_Thanks2844

There is so much FUD and ETF outflows, why can't this thing just crash to like $40k, what is holding it above $60k?

Spirited-Birthday-20

Yeah I’ve seen that pattern too. What trips me up is how reliable it’s been even when everything around it feels different, like inflation, rate hikes, ETF flows. I keep second guessing whether this is the cycle where the clockwork breaks or if I’m just overthinking. Do you have a way of separating the halving signal from all the macro noise? Or is it more of a trust the pattern until it fails kind of thing for you? Would it be okay if I DM you a quick follow up? No worries if not.

East_Indication_7816

Millions are being bought by ETF . Did you not see my chart ?

Good_Paramedic126

Se come dici tu che hai informazioni privilegiate che le grandi aziende o istituzioni stanno comprando..perché i tuoi privilegiati non i spiegano perché no aumenta di prezzo??? Perché tutti i giorni escono milioni e milioni dal ETF perché??? Se tu sei milionario cosa che sinceramente non sei solo e nemmeno mi/ci interessa continui a comprare???? Io ho btc da quando valeva più o meno 40. $ non ho mai venduto e non ho mai ricomprato perché già avevo comprato tantissimi all’epoca però non sono in grado di dire o dare informazioni privilegiate. Uno deve credere in un progetto questo è quello che conta e sono tanti però il prezzo va all’opposto di quello che noi vogliamo e non è comprando che cambia la situazione.

fh3131

Don't forget ETFs as well. There are many people who may be getting out of crypto ETFs, and while that doesn't directly trigger selling of the underlying BTC, if there is enough selling of that ETF, the issuer will eventually sell the BTC, regardless of price.

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Hey we had positive ETF inflows across the board yesterday! Is the bottom in? Altseason right around the corner? 😍

Patient-Ordinary-359

There is no investing in crypto. It's all speculation, gambling. You put the last 10% into it. If you want to grow your wealth in a way which is more stable and predictable, the right choice for almost everyone is a broad ETF, any of the big ones: VT (all world), VT (USA) etc. Longer term you can expect around 8-10% per year, proven by decades of historical results. You can buy these from any mainstream broker.

Much-Log-187

The news are terrible but BTC is still 60k+, which surprises me. I think it will drop between 40-50k from October. Many people lost money with crypto, they are tired of praying for their token to pump, which is way too risky and random. They discovered ETF, semiconductors compagnie, AI, which rely on something in the real world, which is adopted contrary to defi... In less than one year AI has been adopted wildly. At the opposit, more than 10 years of cryptocurrencies have only raise scams, suspicions, sophisticated ponzi schemes and next to no adoption. Altcoins are too diluted. It is too easy to create a new crypto. Blockchains are mostly hype trains but after some time still 0 real usecase. People still believe on BTC as a mean to protect over inflation, monkey money, but as it is also highly centralized and manipulated and its performance are decreasing and decreasing, people will prefer ETFs or stock picking.

FranklinCook

I dont see a reason to go into anything crypto related except BTC and maybe top 3 alts. If i want more of a short term gamble i rather buy a stock/Tech sector ETF etc. Obviously some selected alts will do well but its so hard to get the right ones now with the sheer amount of projects/coins available…

Mrkonijntje

Institutions see shit. Look at the ETF outflow. U see fomo at the top and outflow at the bottom. Dont make me laugh lol

mickalawl

Brokers already offer fractional shares. As does any ETF. And the chain is not the actual settlement layer of actual ownership. The exchange is in terms of actual ownership, who votes, who gets dividends. Hiw does an extra layer and the additional rent seeking fees improve what have had for a long time?

Raph0uX

How the fuck is it still early when there already are billion dollars ETF with BTC ☠️

Street-Technology-93

With the AI IPOs, bitcoin stays down through 26. If those same companies’ sticks appreciate in 27, bitcoin stays down. They’re like a black hole absorbing liquidity. Around that time, quantum reality hits its stride. So, in answer to the question we see every teenager post here, yes, it is too late. You didn’t discover shit. Buy an index ETF and best of luck finding a job in this employment hellscape.

TheresNoSecondBest

Congrats on the move, it's never too late, [despite new people thinking otherwise](https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/rskpuf/i_have_only_600_bitcoinsi_missed_the_bus/). ONLY INVEST MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE. Invest in your knowledge, learn about Bitcoin as much as you can. The Bitcoin Standard book is a must read. So is Broken Money by Lyn Alden. Also, **don't reply any DMs**, emails, private messages on other social media, promising to buy Bitcoin from them or get rich quick by investing into some website. They all are scammers. Even the hot Asian chick, he's a scammer too. **Price wise, nobody knows what the price will be tomorrow, next week or at the end of the year.** **Try "Bitcoin ONLY" strategy for at least the first 210,000 block cycle**, you'll sleep much better. Newcomers lose so much money, holding tokens just because someone on YT told them to. If you don't like losing money in [failed coins](https://www.coingecko.com/research/publications/how-many-cryptocurrencies-failed), avoid. DCA is probably the best approach. Once a week works best for me, but I'm getting paid weekly. This [DCA calculator](https://21vox.com/dca-calculator) might help to decide what will work best for you. In a few years, even $10 dollars a month can make a massive difference. This [DCA blog](https://er-bybitcoin.com/) is pretty interesting too and compares buying bitcoin VS stocks. Now, don't buy some fake bitcoin at a spot ETF place or similar, **get the real thing** that you can withdraw anytime you want. Register at a proper exchange and buy real Bitcoin. Any of these will do [https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin](https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin) Install (or buy - in case you're getting Bitcoin in Thousands of $) one or more of these wallets. **A few good wallet choices:** [https://blockstream.com/app/](https://blockstream.com/app/) \- Top Security Features, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://bluewallet.io](https://bluewallet.io/) \- excellent, easy to use wallet, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://www.sparrowwallet.com](https://www.sparrowwallet.com) - top desktop wallet [https://electrum.org](https://electrum.org/) \- Solid choice, Open Source and Non-Custodial, one of the oldest and most trusted Bitcoin Wallets. I prefer the desktop version but it works on mobile too. **Lightning wallets** to consider (cheaper and faster transactions, great for small amounts): [https://phoenix.acinq.co/](https://phoenix.acinq.co/) \- Phoenix - very good wallet, uses Tor for extra privacy, easy for anyone new [https://blixtwallet.github.io/](https://blixtwallet.github.io/) \- Blixt - great UI, fast and clean. The app runs a full LND node on your phone and you have the ability to easily open channels to whatever nodes you like. [https://zeusln.com/](https://zeusln.com/) Zeus - impressive wallet with many features, can even generate Nostr keys [https://breez.technology](https://breez.technology/) \- Breez - excellent POS for small business owners as well as integrated Bitrefill Note: Breez does also a hybrid liquid/LN wallet called Misty Breez - the sats being on liquid means no need for channels although the payments take a few extra seconds. You'll also can get a free customable LN address. While talking about hybrid wallets, there's also Aqua Wallet although not IMHO as good as Misty Breez. There are also custodial LN wallet but I would honestly avoid using them because you have to trust the wallet operator not to steal your money. Their only advantage is that they are incredibly easy to use, although it might cost you big one day. To keep up to date with spending wallets, visit r/TheLightningNetwork at least once a while and perhaps r/RGB in the future. **Hardware Wallets** (to store larger amounts): [Trezor](https://trezor.io/) \- Easy to use, no matter how new in Bitcoin you're. If you can afford it, opt for Safe 7 (air-gapped) and use the Bitcoin only firmware as it's safer than a multi coin software. [ColdCard](https://coldcardwallet.com/) - air gapped, Bitcoin only, has advanced features but a new user will do fine with one of the great tutorials available. [BitBox02](https://bitbox.swiss/bitbox02/bitcoin-only/) - another great little device, opt for the more secure Bitcoin ONLY version (less coins = less code = less chance for a hidden bug or a backdoor). Sadly, this device is not air-gapped. [Jade](https://blockstream.com/jade) - air gapped, fully open source, Bitcoin only, great features. There's a newer version called Jade Plus, it has much better camera and overall is a better, although a bit more expensive, option. You can even [build it on your own](https://github.com/Blockstream/jade/), if you feel adventurous. [Seedsigner](https://github.com/SeedSigner/seedsigner) - another DIY, fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, not for you if you're just starting up but something to consider later. [Krux wallet](https://selfcustody.github.io/krux/) - one more DIY hardware device, I love this one for many reasons. Similar to Seedsigner, it's fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, that is not for you right now if you're just starting up, but something to consider at a later stage and/or to up the security of your bitcoin. There's also Ledger, but I wouldn't recommend it as it's not fully open source, keep and already leaked customers' details, recently said they're capable of sending customers' keys out just with a firmware update, making is an expensive hot wallet. The opposite of what you want from a cold wallet. **Stay away**, save yourself a headache in the future. The same goes for many other hardware wallets that are too new or filled with too much of unnecessary shitcoin code. Stay away. Whatever wallet you'll decide to buy, purchase DIRECTLY from the manufacturer, no eBay, no Amazon. Make sure the device is NOT preset, and you will generate your own seed words. Write them down on any piece of paper as well as the receiving address. Now wipe the wallet and generate a new wallet. If the seed words are different from the first set, you're safe to use it. Find an option to set a passphrase and use it. This will boost the security to another level. Never store the seed words and passphrase together. Use a different medium if possible. If somebody finds both, they'll be able to steal your coin. This little device will hold the keys to your money, that's the reason why you have to be a bit more careful. Also, no worries, if it breaks, you can replace it - as long as you keep your seed words and passphrase(s) safe. Welcome to the rabbit hole and don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions anytime during your Bitcoin journey. Also, [check the sidebar](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/about) that's filled with lots of great info and if you have any questions, visit r/BitcoinBeginners or r/Bitcoin and look for the answers.

Patient_Craft2195

been around since 2020 and this feels almost identical to mid 2022. same group therapy threads, same "is this 2018 again" posts, same alt bleed.what im watching — stablecoin supply (USDT and USDC printing usually leads bottoms by a few weeks), hashrate near miner shutdown levels, and ETF flows finally stopping the bleed. none of those have flipped yet which is why im also not FOMO-ing here.solana, BNB, XRP holding up cleanest. agree most other alts are zombies until macro turns.

ReliantToker

The event you are referencing from early May was a well-documented technical failure where a third-party pricing provider sent a corrupt data tick to Revolut's interface, causing the display to briefly flash to $0.02. There was zero corresponding price dislocation on actual primary liquidity venues like Coinbase, Kraken, or the CME. A retail app experiencing an API feed error is not proof of an evaporated global order book. While wash trading was prevalent in the unregulated offshore exchanges of 2017, the primary volume drivers of today's spot market are regulated Wall Street entities, CME futures, and spot ETF issuers. Highly audited institutions operating under SEC and CFTC oversight are not running illicit spoofing algorithms to fake their multi-billion dollar daily flows. Claiming that a sale of a "few dozen coins" permanently drops the market demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of capital markets arbitrage. Dumping 50 BTC at market might cause fractional slippage of a few basis points on a single, isolated exchange's order book for a matter of milliseconds. However, automated arbitrage instantly capitalizes on that inefficiency, buying the locally discounted asset and selling it on premium venues, to restore global price parity seamlessly. Where do you people even come up with this stuff?

CODE_HEIST

Crypto still has its own narratives, but macro decides how much oxygen those narratives get. In strong liquidity conditions, protocol news, ETF flows, halvings, and sector rotations can matter a lot. In tight or risk-off conditions, most of that gets overridden and crypto trades like a high-beta liquidity asset. I would track both: internal crypto catalysts for what can lead, and macro/liquidity for whether the market has room to care.

Educational_Cable405

Institutional ownership moves the price chart, not the protocol. ETF coins sit in custody with exactly zero say over consensus, because rule changes get decided by economic nodes, not holders. We already stress tested this in 2017 when the biggest miners and exchanges lined up behind SegWit2x and a bunch of hobbyist node runners just said no. BlackRock could own a quarter of the supply and still couldn't touch the 21M cap.

Anonimo1sdfg

Creo que hoy hay opciones interesantes sin tener que recurrir a eso, por ejemplo el ETF BITU es como BTC x2 y tiene un costo anual de mantemiento del que se descuenta del precio de 1.89% aprox. Claro tiene sus riesgos estod instrumentos por lo general no invierten directamente en BTC usan derivados fianceñieros como futuros.

baIIern

The MSCI 2x Amundi is great though. Not as volatile, thus less decay [https://www.onvista.de/etf/Amundi-ETF-Leveraged-MSCI-USA-Daily-UCITS-ETF-EUR-ACC-ETF-FR0010755611](https://www.onvista.de/etf/Amundi-ETF-Leveraged-MSCI-USA-Daily-UCITS-ETF-EUR-ACC-ETF-FR0010755611)

Drumroll-PH

Nobody really knows if BTC hits $150K or $200K this year, and I've learned to be careful with price targets because markets love proving people wrong. If it does make a big move higher, I'd expect the biggest drivers to be continued ETF inflows, favorable macro conditions, and more institutional and corporate adoption rather than any single catalyst. The utility and infrastructure side matters too, but large pools of capital entering the market tend to have the biggest impact on price.

devCheckingIn

Good article. I was looking into an inverse ETF the other day and when I read about "volatility decay" I noped right out of that idea.

NeitherTumbleweed228

I think next 4 years will show us what will be the future of Bitcoin. If with ETF, Clarity act and good price we dont see massive entry from smart money/countries/big companies i dont see why jt will be different in 10 years tbh

CODE_HEIST

Price targets are less useful than the conditions needed to sustain them. For BTC to push toward 150k or 200k, I would want liquidity improving, ETF flows staying positive, leverage not overheating, and spot demand leading perps. If the move is mostly funding and hype, it can unwind fast. I would rather track market structure and flows than anchor on one headline target.

bumtrainer69

No. I use a lot of margin for ETF's, but BTC to risky.

That_Bar_5570

Never will I introduce someone to the world of finance and then recommend crypto. Recommending a volatile asset to someone with 0 investment experience is asking for problems. High chance of them panic selling or not taking profits. If someone has 0 experience for the love God recommend an ETF. As they get more experience, then turn to crypto. 

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TheresNoSecondBest

Congrats on the move, it's never too late, [despite new people thinking otherwise](https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/rskpuf/i_have_only_600_bitcoinsi_missed_the_bus/). ONLY INVEST MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE. Invest in your knowledge, learn about Bitcoin as much as you can. The Bitcoin Standard book is a must read. So is Broken Money by Lyn Alden. Also, **don't reply any DMs**, emails, private messages on other social media, promising to buy Bitcoin from them or get rich quick by investing into some website. They all are scammers. Even the hot Asian chick, he's a scammer too. **Price wise, nobody knows what the price will be tomorrow, next week or at the end of the year.** **Try "Bitcoin ONLY" strategy for at least the first 210,000 block cycle**, you'll sleep much better. Newcomers lose so much money, holding tokens just because someone on YT told them to. If you don't like losing money in [failed coins](https://www.coingecko.com/research/publications/how-many-cryptocurrencies-failed), avoid. DCA is probably the best approach. Once a week works best for me, but I'm getting paid weekly. This [DCA calculator](https://21vox.com/dca-calculator) might help to decide what will work best for you. In a few years, even $10 dollars a month can make a massive difference. This [DCA blog](https://er-bybitcoin.com/) is pretty interesting too and compares buying bitcoin VS stocks. Now, don't buy some fake bitcoin at a spot ETF place or similar, **get the real thing** that you can withdraw anytime you want. Register at a proper exchange and buy real Bitcoin. Any of these will do [https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin](https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin) Install (or buy - in case you're getting Bitcoin in Thousands of $) one or more of these wallets. **A few good wallet choices:** [https://blockstream.com/app/](https://blockstream.com/app/) \- Top Security Features, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://bluewallet.io](https://bluewallet.io/) \- excellent, easy to use wallet, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://www.sparrowwallet.com](https://www.sparrowwallet.com) - top desktop wallet [https://electrum.org](https://electrum.org/) \- Solid choice, Open Source and Non-Custodial, one of the oldest and most trusted Bitcoin Wallets. I prefer the desktop version but it works on mobile too. **Lightning wallets** to consider (cheaper and faster transactions, great for small amounts): [https://phoenix.acinq.co/](https://phoenix.acinq.co/) \- Phoenix - very good wallet, uses Tor for extra privacy, easy for anyone new [https://blixtwallet.github.io/](https://blixtwallet.github.io/) \- Blixt - great UI, fast and clean. The app runs a full LND node on your phone and you have the ability to easily open channels to whatever nodes you like. [https://zeusln.com/](https://zeusln.com/) Zeus - impressive wallet with many features, can even generate Nostr keys [https://breez.technology](https://breez.technology/) \- Breez - excellent POS for small business owners as well as integrated Bitrefill Note: Breez does also a hybrid liquid/LN wallet called Misty Breez - the sats being on liquid means no need for channels although the payments take a few extra seconds. You'll also can get a free customable LN address. While talking about hybrid wallets, there's also Aqua Wallet although not IMHO as good as Misty Breez. There are also custodial LN wallet but I would honestly avoid using them because you have to trust the wallet operator not to steal your money. Their only advantage is that they are incredibly easy to use, although it might cost you big one day. To keep up to date with spending wallets, visit r/TheLightningNetwork at least once a while and perhaps r/RGB in the future. **Hardware Wallets** (to store larger amounts): [Trezor](https://trezor.io/) \- Easy to use, no matter how new in Bitcoin you're. If you can afford it, opt for Safe 7 (air-gapped) and use the Bitcoin only firmware as it's safer than a multi coin software. [ColdCard](https://coldcardwallet.com/) - air gapped, Bitcoin only, has advanced features but a new user will do fine with one of the great tutorials available. [BitBox02](https://bitbox.swiss/bitbox02/bitcoin-only/) - another great little device, opt for the more secure Bitcoin ONLY version (less coins = less code = less chance for a hidden bug or a backdoor). Sadly, this device is not air-gapped. [Jade](https://blockstream.com/jade) - air gapped, fully open source, Bitcoin only, great features. There's a newer version called Jade Plus, it has much better camera and overall is a better, although a bit more expensive, option. You can even [build it on your own](https://github.com/Blockstream/jade/), if you feel adventurous. [Seedsigner](https://github.com/SeedSigner/seedsigner) - another DIY, fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, not for you if you're just starting up but something to consider later. [Krux wallet](https://selfcustody.github.io/krux/) - one more DIY hardware device, I love this one for many reasons. Similar to Seedsigner, it's fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, that is not for you right now if you're just starting up, but something to consider at a later stage and/or to up the security of your bitcoin. There's also Ledger, but I wouldn't recommend it as it's not fully open source, keep and already leaked customers' details, recently said they're capable of sending customers' keys out just with a firmware update, making is an expensive hot wallet. The opposite of what you want from a cold wallet. **Stay away**, save yourself a headache in the future. The same goes for many other hardware wallets that are too new or filled with too much of unnecessary shitcoin code. Stay away. Whatever wallet you'll decide to buy, purchase DIRECTLY from the manufacturer, no eBay, no Amazon. Make sure the device is NOT preset, and you will generate your own seed words. Write them down on any piece of paper as well as the receiving address. Now wipe the wallet and generate a new wallet. If the seed words are different from the first set, you're safe to use it. Find an option to set a passphrase and use it. This will boost the security to another level. Never store the seed words and passphrase together. Use a different medium if possible. If somebody finds both, they'll be able to steal your coin. This little device will hold the keys to your money, that's the reason why you have to be a bit more careful. Also, no worries, if it breaks, you can replace it - as long as you keep your seed words and passphrase(s) safe. Welcome to the rabbit hole and don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions anytime during your Bitcoin journey. Also, [check the sidebar](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/about) that's filled with lots of great info and if you have any questions, visit r/BitcoinBeginners or r/Bitcoin and look for the answers.

Both_Secretary_8286

I think the mistake is expecting Bitcoin to behave like gold over short timeframes. Most holders still treat it as a risk asset, so when liquidity tightens everything gets sold. The more interesting question is whether Bitcoin needs to be a perfect inflation hedge at all. Plenty of assets fail that test over months or even years. If BTC is going to earn the "digital gold" label, it probably happens over decades, not during a single inflation spike or geopolitical event. That said, the ownership base argument is hard to ignore. As long as the marginal buyer is an ETF investor lumping it in with tech and other risk assets, it's going to trade more like Nasdaq than gold.

GeoSystemsDeveloper

**Daily crypto TL;DR:** * ⚠️ US-Iran tensions drive Bitcoin below $62K, causing broad market declines. * ⚠️ Over $363M in crypto futures liquidated in 24 hours, primarily affecting long positions. * ⚠️ Crypto Fear & Greed Index hits 'Extreme Fear' at a score of 14. * ⚠️ US May CPI rise of 4.2% YoY reinforces expectations for steady Fed interest rates. * 🚀 Morgan Stanley launches lending services backed by spot Bitcoin ETF holdings. *News summary from the* [*HODLings app*](https://www.geosystemsdev.com/products/hodlings/)*.*

Trick_Customer_5767

In my opinion for BTC to trade like hedge again the ownership base needs buyers who are not running BTC in a risk-asset sleeve marked to Nasdaq beta. Sovereign accumulators, self-custody stackers, or funds with an explicit mandate to hold regardless of equity correlation. The ETF wrapper democratized access but it also wired BTC's demand dynamics to institutional portfolio rebalancing in a way that does not unwind quickly. I track daily ETF flows with issuer-level breakdowns here if useful: [https://thriveinmarkets.com/](https://thriveinmarkets.com/)

Ced-Invest

Honest answer, the same thing gold was useful for, which is nothing except staying scarce while everything else got printed. That was enough for 5,000 years. The difference isn't usefulness, it's who holds it. Gold's base is central banks and people who never sell. BTC's base right now is ETF allocators who trim it the second rates reprice. Hype flows somewhere else, sure, but that's a holder problem, not an asset problem.

Far-Photograph-2342

I'd argue this isn't as clean a test as it seems. Bitcoin has never consistently behaved like gold during short-term geopolitical shocks. In periods of acute stress, investors usually sell what they can, not necessarily what they want to own long term. That's why you often see cash, Treasuries, and gold benefit first. What's more interesting is whether Bitcoin can preserve purchasing power over a multi-year period of inflation and currency debasement, not whether it rallies the same week CPI surprises to the upside. That said, I do agree that the ETF era has changed the ownership base. When a large share of buyers treat BTC as a risk asset, it's going to trade like one. The real question is whether that changes over time as adoption and use cases continue to expand.

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Post is by: Ced-Invest and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1u2qk1y/cpi_just_printed_42_the_strait_of_hormuz_is/ Think about what the pitch was for the last decade. When inflation comes back, when governments lose control, when there's conflict over real resources, you'll want a hard asset outside the system. Yesterday we got the full scenario. May CPI at 4.2% year over year, first time above 4% in three years. Oil at $91 after touching $95, because Iran closed the most important chokepoint on the planet. Missiles hitting US military facilities. The Dow dropped 900 points. And bitcoin? Dipped under $61K during the print, bounced to around $63K, still down roughly half from the October top and about 11% on the year. Meanwhile gold sits near its all time high. Spot ETFs have bled $5.5B over 13 straight sessions. I keep coming back to the same uncomfortable read. The marginal buyer of bitcoin today is an ETF allocator who books it in the risk-asset sleeve of a portfolio, right next to Nasdaq beta. When rates reprice higher and equities sell off, that allocator trims the whole sleeve. The asset can't trade as a hedge when its ownership base treats it as leverage on liquidity conditions. The store-of-value bid clearly exists right now. It's just going into gold. I'm not saying the thesis is dead forever. Ownership bases change. But this stretch is the cleanest natural experiment the inflation hedge narrative has ever faced, and so far it's failing it on every axis that matters. What would actually have to change for BTC to trade like a hedge again? Different holders, a different macro regime, or was the hedge story always just narrative on top of a liquidity asset? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

SaeedOrkz

Man, I appreciate you taking the time — this is gold. The ETF point hit. I hadn't fully processed how much institutional flow changes the game. DCA into BTC while I relearn the landscape makes total sense. I'll park the alt temptation for now. On appetite — I want to actively trade eventually, but I'm honest enough to admit I'm rusty. So phase one is rebuild knowledge and discipline. Phase two is active trading with proper risk management. Quick question if you don't mind — which on-chain tools or dashboards do you consider essential these days? The tooling landscape has changed so much.

Suitable_Acadia_190

Three years out is actually a cleaner starting point than most people realize. You are returning with pattern recognition intact but without the bad habits that accumulate from trading through a full cycle without a complete system. What has changed structurally since 2024 that matters most: spot Bitcoin ETFs are now live and institutional flows are measurable and directional. The ETF approval changed the demand structure permanently. Funding rates and open interest mechanics are more institutionally driven than they were in the 2021 cycle. Solana matured significantly as a tradeable perpetuals market. Regulatory clarity improved across major jurisdictions which brought more systematic capital into the space. What has not changed is the part that determines whether you succeed: price still sweeps liquidity before it moves, Wyckoff accumulation and distribution dynamics still play out across every timeframe, and the psychological traps that ended your trading three years ago are still exactly where you left them. Start smaller than feels necessary. The gap between where you were and where the market is now needs to be closed through observation before it is closed through position sizing. Two to four weeks of screen time without live trades will tell you more about what has changed than any summary can.

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Freudarian

Or, market makers are pushing the price down to prepare the inventory for ETF launch. Maximizing profit. Not sure what is more likely, the most decentralized blochain going to die with new update coming to testnet on 23rd of june. Or market makes being greedy and depressing market so they can fill their bags and make a shitton of money. I wonder 🤔

ClearSnakewood

In self custody yes, but there’s too much paper bitcoin out there via Tradfi. Dump your ETF and MSTR and withdraw all your bought Bitcoin into cold storage.

jkcards_

That seems surprising, any idea if that includes ETF holders? Although I guess they don’t own/hold bitcoins directly

TheresNoSecondBest

Congrats on the move, it's never too late, [despite new people thinking otherwise](https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/rskpuf/i_have_only_600_bitcoinsi_missed_the_bus/). ONLY INVEST MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE. Invest in your knowledge, learn about Bitcoin as much as you can. The Bitcoin Standard book is a must read. So is Broken Money by Lyn Alden. Also, **don't reply any DMs**, emails, private messages on other social media, promising to buy Bitcoin from them or get rich quick by investing into some website. They all are scammers. Even the hot Asian chick, he's a scammer too. **Price wise, nobody knows what the price will be tomorrow, next week or at the end of the year.** **Try "Bitcoin ONLY" strategy for at least the first 210,000 block cycle**, you'll sleep much better. Newcomers lose so much money, holding tokens just because someone on YT told them to. If you don't like losing money in [failed coins](https://www.coingecko.com/research/publications/how-many-cryptocurrencies-failed), avoid. DCA is probably the best approach. Once a week works best for me, but I'm getting paid weekly. This [DCA calculator](https://21vox.com/dca-calculator) might help to decide what will work best for you. In a few years, even $10 dollars a month can make a massive difference. This [DCA blog](https://er-bybitcoin.com/) is pretty interesting too and compares buying bitcoin VS stocks. Now, don't buy some fake bitcoin at a spot ETF place or similar, **get the real thing** that you can withdraw anytime you want. Register at a proper exchange and buy real Bitcoin. Any of these will do [https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin](https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin) Install (or buy - in case you're getting Bitcoin in Thousands of $) one or more of these wallets. **A few good wallet choices:** [https://blockstream.com/app/](https://blockstream.com/app/) \- Top Security Features, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://bluewallet.io](https://bluewallet.io/) \- excellent, easy to use wallet, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://www.sparrowwallet.com](https://www.sparrowwallet.com) - top desktop wallet [https://electrum.org](https://electrum.org/) \- Solid choice, Open Source and Non-Custodial, one of the oldest and most trusted Bitcoin Wallets. I prefer the desktop version but it works on mobile too. **Lightning wallets** to consider (cheaper and faster transactions, great for small amounts): [https://phoenix.acinq.co/](https://phoenix.acinq.co/) \- Phoenix - very good wallet, uses Tor for extra privacy, easy for anyone new [https://blixtwallet.github.io/](https://blixtwallet.github.io/) \- Blixt - great UI, fast and clean. The app runs a full LND node on your phone and you have the ability to easily open channels to whatever nodes you like. [https://zeusln.com/](https://zeusln.com/) Zeus - impressive wallet with many features, can even generate Nostr keys [https://breez.technology](https://breez.technology/) \- Breez - excellent POS for small business owners as well as integrated Bitrefill Note: Breez does also a hybrid liquid/LN wallet called Misty Breez - the sats being on liquid means no need for channels although the payments take a few extra seconds. You'll also can get a free customable LN address. While talking about hybrid wallets, there's also Aqua Wallet although not IMHO as good as Misty Breez. There are also custodial LN wallet but I would honestly avoid using them because you have to trust the wallet operator not to steal your money. Their only advantage is that they are incredibly easy to use, although it might cost you big one day. To keep up to date with spending wallets, visit r/TheLightningNetwork at least once a while and perhaps r/RGB in the future. **Hardware Wallets** (to store larger amounts): [Trezor](https://trezor.io/) \- Easy to use, no matter how new in Bitcoin you're. If you can afford it, opt for Safe 7 (air-gapped) and use the Bitcoin only firmware as it's safer than a multi coin software. [ColdCard](https://coldcardwallet.com/) - air gapped, Bitcoin only, has advanced features but a new user will do fine with one of the great tutorials available. [BitBox02](https://bitbox.swiss/bitbox02/bitcoin-only/) - another great little device, opt for the more secure Bitcoin ONLY version (less coins = less code = less chance for a hidden bug or a backdoor). Sadly, this device is not air-gapped. [Jade](https://blockstream.com/jade) - air gapped, fully open source, Bitcoin only, great features. There's a newer version called Jade Plus, it has much better camera and overall is a better, although a bit more expensive, option. You can even [build it on your own](https://github.com/Blockstream/jade/), if you feel adventurous. [Seedsigner](https://github.com/SeedSigner/seedsigner) - another DIY, fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, not for you if you're just starting up but something to consider later. [Krux wallet](https://selfcustody.github.io/krux/) - one more DIY hardware device, I love this one for many reasons. Similar to Seedsigner, it's fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, that is not for you right now if you're just starting up, but something to consider at a later stage and/or to up the security of your bitcoin. There's also Ledger, but I wouldn't recommend it as it's not fully open source, keep and already leaked customers' details, recently said they're capable of sending customers' keys out just with a firmware update, making is an expensive hot wallet. The opposite of what you want from a cold wallet. **Stay away**, save yourself a headache in the future. The same goes for many other hardware wallets that are too new or filled with too much of unnecessary shitcoin code. Stay away. Whatever wallet you'll decide to buy, purchase DIRECTLY from the manufacturer, no eBay, no Amazon. Make sure the device is NOT preset, and you will generate your own seed words. Write them down on any piece of paper as well as the receiving address. Now wipe the wallet and generate a new wallet. If the seed words are different from the first set, you're safe to use it. Find an option to set a passphrase and use it. This will boost the security to another level. Never store the seed words and passphrase together. Use a different medium if possible. If somebody finds both, they'll be able to steal your coin. This little device will hold the keys to your money, that's the reason why you have to be a bit more careful. Also, no worries, if it breaks, you can replace it - as long as you keep your seed words and passphrase(s) safe. Welcome to the rabbit hole and don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions anytime during your Bitcoin journey. Also, [check the sidebar](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/about) that's filled with lots of great info and if you have any questions, visit r/BitcoinBeginners or r/Bitcoin and look for the answers.

Educational_Cable405

Calling any three indicators "unbreakable" is the part that makes me nervous. Every cycle people anchor on a metric that worked beautifully until it didn't. The 200 week MA, the rainbow chart, NUPL bands, they all held until a macro shock or an ETF or a halving changed the supply dynamics underneath them. On-chain data is genuinely useful for context, but treating it as a law instead of a probability is how people end up overleveraged at the wrong moment.

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Post is by: AIautoagent1 and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1u288dr/cbdcs_are_becoming_the_default_policy_pathhow/ The most important monetary story right now isn’t another ETF or halving — it’s that CBDCs are quietly becoming the default policy path for most major economies, and that fundamentally changes the game for why Bitcoin and real self-custody matter. If you look at the Atlantic Council CBDC tracker and recent IMF/WEF material, the direction of travel is obvious: China’s e-CNY is already live at scale, the ECB is deep into the “preparation phase” of a digital euro, India is expanding wholesale and retail pilots, and a whole cluster of EMs (Nigeria, Bahamas, Jamaica, some Caribbean states) are already in production. The IMF is literally running training programs on “Macro-Financial Implications of CBDCs and Non-Bank Private Monies.” This isn’t experimental anymore, it’s institutionalized. Meanwhile, the UN/WEF crowd is explicitly talking about CBDCs as part of a more “multipolar” financial architecture – i.e., a slow erosion of pure USD rails in cross-border flows, not some overnight dollar collapse but a structural shift. For crypto, that cuts both ways. On one hand, CBDCs are a state-backed competitor to stablecoins for payments and settlement. On the other, they’re a giant advertisement for why you might want an asset that doesn’t sit on a revocable, permissioned government ledger. As fiscal deficits and debt loads stay structurally high, the pressure for financial repression and soft debasement doesn’t go away; CBDCs just give policymakers finer tools to direct credit, control capital flows, and “nudge” behavior. At the same time, US institutions are normalizing Bitcoin as a macro asset via ETFs and balance-sheet exposure. So you end up with an interesting barbell: CBDCs for compliant transactional money, Bitcoin/crypto as the exit and optionality hedge. Personally, with CBDCs accelerating, I keep everything off exchanges in self-custody on a Ledger — the whole point of crypto is the exit: https://shop.ledger.com/?r=earning-hq&utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=cbdc&utm_content=ledger and I use Coinbase for regulated exposure and fiat on/off ramps because it’s still the most compliant US ramp: https://coinbase.com/join/earning-hq?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=cbdc&utm_content=coinbase Curious how everyone here is thinking about CBDC risk in their portfolio construction. Are you adjusting your BTC/ETH/stablecoin mix, or treating CBDCs as just another payments rail that doesn’t change the core thesis? Ledger and Coinbase links are affiliate links. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

GreemBeam

Oh yes, stick it in an ETF that's been going vertical and is about to dump hard because that's the sort of advice a financial advisor would tell you, so it must be sensible.

jeremyvr46

Put it in the market. ETF like VOO etc. Don’t put all your eggs in the same basket when you invest your money. Put some in BTC for crypto, some in ETFs and some in individual stocks if there’s anything you like.

darkpool_watcher

Thanks, glad that it helped. Avoiding bad shorts on surprise bounces like this one is really hard, especially in your first cycle. Even experienced traders get caught. The best small hints that a bounce might be coming are price holding a major support level like 59-60k with increasing buy volume, very high short interest combined with extremely negative funding rates, and strong rejection candles at the bottom. But nothing is certain. The safest approach is to avoid shorting with high leverage during uncertain times or only use very small position sizes. Other common unexpected moves in a Bitcoin cycle that often catch swing traders include long squeezes where price drops hard to liquidate longs then reverses sharply, fakeouts and stop hunts that briefly break key levels only to reverse, news-driven whipsaws from ETF flows or macro events, low-liquidity weekend pumps or dumps, and relief rallies right after big crashes that feel like the bottom but aren't the real one. For a first-cycle swing trader the smartest thing is tight risk management, small position sizes, and always having a plan for both directions. Many people lose money trying to perfectly time these moves. The simplest and most reliable edge is still DCA and long-term holding.

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Post is by: Ced-Invest and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1u234ol/bernstein_says_its_the_ai_trade_not_quantum_fears/ OpenAI filed confidentially for an IPO on Monday, one week after Anthropic did the same on June 1. Anthropic's last private round put it at $965B, above OpenAI for the first time, with run-rate revenue crossing $47B in May. Meanwhile spot bitcoin ETFs are on a 13-day outflow streak, $4.4B pulled since May 15, IBIT leading the bleed. BTC is sitting around $62K after losing $60K on Friday. Bernstein's read is that this isn't quantum-computing fear or some structural crypto problem. It's allocation. The high-beta, "future of money" slot in a portfolio is a single slot, and right now it's being filled by AI equities and pre-IPO rounds, not by a non-yielding asset that just watched the 10Y climb back above 4.5% after a hot jobs print. What makes it worse for the bitcoin bid: when these IPOs actually price, you get a second drain. Crossover funds and retail money that would have rotated into majors gets parked in the new liquid AI names instead. The ETF wrapper was supposed to bring sticky institutional money. Turns out that same money has a shinier object to chase every quarter now. I'm not calling for a collapse. The flows are cyclical and could flip the day yields ease. But the "AI capex lifts all risk assets together" thesis is dead for this cycle, and anyone still pricing BTC off the Nasdaq melt-up is trading a correlation that already broke. Is this a temporary liquidity rotation that reverses once the IPO supply gets absorbed, or has crypto permanently lost the high-beta growth slot to AI? What's your take? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

ClearSnakewood

Bitcoin and Tradfi boomer money dont match. The ETF’s, SBR and treasuries were all wet dreams. We’re on our own. Bitcoin needs to grow as a paralel economy, on its on strength and via adoption by the plebs.

Stunning_Foot3864

that what ETF mean than a retail traders, no fears for institution

No-Tie-9537

He could’ve gotten $1.4M in dividends every year had he put the $45 million in an index fund like $SCHD ETF. Even reinvesting $800k you’d be left with $600k to spend…

Flashy_Poet5456

Or even half of that. Put $10M into Bitcoin, $10M into a global ETF, $10M into real estate, $5M into stocks, and use the remaining $5M to enjoy a comfortable home, cars, and everything else you want.

Environmental_Ice_80

decentrali Wat? XD number of BC ~ 21.000.000 State / Government holdings: · USA: ~205,000 BTC · China (seized, mostly sold): <50,000 BTC · Ukraine: ~46,000 BTC · UK: ~61,000 BTC · Germany (mostly sold now): ~0–10,000 BTC · North Korea (hacked): ~50,000 BTC · Other governments: ~30,000 BTC   → Total government known: ~250,000–330,000 BTC · Satoshi Nakamoto (unmoved early blocks): ~600,000–700,000 BTC · MicroStrategy (Michael Saylor): ~400,000–500,000 BTC · BlackRock, Fidelity etc. (ETF custody): ~800,000+ BTC · Exchanges (Binance, Coinbase — user funds): ~1,000,000–2,000,000 BTC. so how many is left for the rest of the "paying customers" ? XD

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Post is by: web3Dof and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1u1ukgi/how_i_stopped_being_exit_liquidity_6_years_using/ &#x200B; Around six years ago, I experienced one of the most frustrating moments of my trading career. I entered what looked like a textbook breakout trade. The technical setup was clean. Momentum was strong. Sentiment across crypto social media was overwhelmingly bullish. Within minutes, a massive wick hit my stop-loss, closed my position, and then price immediately reversed and moved exactly where I expected it to go. I wasn't wrong about the direction. I was simply liquidity. That experience sent me down a rabbit hole trying to understand why so many traders lose money even when their market thesis is correct. The biggest realization I came to was this: Most retail traders spend their time analyzing price. The market spends its time hunting liquidity. Once I started studying derivatives data, open interest, funding rates, liquidation clusters, and whale positioning, I realized there was an entire layer of market structure I had been ignoring. That eventually led me to CoinAnk. The feature that changed the way I trade was the liquidation heatmap. Instead of asking: "Where do I think price will go?" I started asking: "Where is the largest concentration of forced liquidations likely to occur?" That simple shift completely changed my framework. I've noticed that many experienced traders on Reddit discuss liquidation clusters and open interest as important context for understanding sudden price moves and stop hunts. Some traders specifically use heatmaps to identify crowded areas where forced liquidations can accelerate volatility. What I found useful wasn't using the heatmap as a signal by itself. Instead, it became a tool for context. I stopped placing stops in obvious locations. I stopped chasing breakouts blindly. I became more aware of where leveraged traders were positioned and where liquidity was likely sitting. Six years later, CoinAnk is still one of the main tools in my workflow because it combines several datasets I care about: Liquidation Heatmaps Open Interest Tracking Funding Rate Analysis Whale Wallet Monitoring ETF Flow Data Institutional Positioning Metrics The platform has continued expanding its derivatives and liquidity analytics, including liquidation heatmaps, open interest tracking, ETF monitoring, whale-position statistics, and fund-flow analysis. I'm curious how others here approach derivatives analysis. Do you actively monitor: Open Interest? Liquidation Heatmaps? Funding Rates? ETF Flows? Whale Wallets? Or do you focus purely on price action and market structure? Would love to hear what has actually improved your trading over the years. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

Suspicious-Can-7079

Xrp crazy price targets come from cult like propaganda that pretends it's going to be the world currency. They're using the Ethiopian calendar for their predictions because their date has already passed.. That's all you really need to know. Incoming AI slop on 1k xrp "Pure math first, then the narrative requirements. The math XRP has \~62B circulating supply and a max supply of 100B.  At $1,000/XRP: • Circulating market cap: \~$62 trillion • Fully diluted: \~$100 trillion For context, total global GDP is \~$110T. The entire US stock market is \~$50T. Bitcoin’s ATH market cap was around $2T. XRP at $1,000 would be the largest single asset in human history by a massive margin. What would actually need to happen 1. XRP becomes the dominant global payment rail. SWIFT processes \~$5T/day in cross-border flows. For XRP to justify that valuation, it would essentially need to capture a significant share of all global financial settlement — not just cross-border payments, but FX, trade finance, sovereign reserves. Even then, the question is whether XRP needs to be held to move value, or just used as a bridge (the velocity problem — high velocity = low holding requirement = lower price). 2. Massive supply reduction or burn mechanism. Unlike ETH (with EIP-1559) or BTC (21M hard cap), XRP was fixed at 100B at launch with no burn mechanism built in.  Without destroying supply, the per-token price ceiling is structurally lower than scarcer assets. 3. Ripple stops selling. Ripple controls \~42% of XRP through escrow reserves  and releases tokens on a schedule. That’s a persistent supply overhang. At $1,000, Ripple’s escrow would be worth \~$38 trillion — they’d be the richest entity ever created with enormous incentive to sell. 4. Regulatory and geopolitical tailwinds at a civilizational scale. XRP ETFs launched, SEC clarity arrived — that’s a catalyst for a $3–10 price, not $1,000. The jump from here to $1,000 is \~850x. Even the most bullish XRP scenario (replaces SWIFT, global adoption) struggles to justify more than low-to-mid three figures. Bottom line: $1,000 XRP requires a market cap that exceeds global GDP. It’s not a price target — it’s a thought experiment about whether a single crypto asset could become the reserve settlement layer of the entire world economy, with Ripple somehow not being a seller at those levels. Theoretically possible in a science fiction framing, practically implausible within any investable timeframe. If you’re bullish XRP, the realistic high-conviction range to debate is $10–50 (solid adoption, ETF flows, ODL scaling) vs. $100–200 (dominates global FX settlement, becomes quasi-reserve asset). $1,000 requires premises that would restructure the global financial system entirely."

Suitable_Acadia_190

That is a real cost and worth taking seriously. The preferred equity and convertible note structure Strategy uses to fund acquisitions carries yield obligations that do not disappear in a bear market. The counterargument is that the arbitrage only breaks if BTC appreciation persistently underperforms the cost of capital over the holding period. At current treasury size and with the ETF demand floor underneath spot price, that is a structural bet against the asset itself rather than against the financing model. Saylor is essentially long the spread between BTC appreciation and 11% yield. Whether that spread holds is the actual debate. The fools running out thesis assumes the yield stops attracting capital. It has not yet. That may change. But the demand floor point stands independent of whether Saylor's financing model is genius or eventually a cautionary tale.

Educational_Cable405

Worth checking the 13F filings before calling it adoption. A big chunk of the ETF inflows was hedge funds running the basis trade, long the ETF and short CME futures, which is yield farming and not conviction. That money left the moment the spread compressed in early 2025, and it'll come and go like that every cycle.

Laukess

People keep talking about institutions. The institutions that actually matter are governments and things like pension funds. A lot of the legal roadblocks have been removed and continue to be so. I think this will have a positive impact on the price long term, but we haven't seen much so far. Saying institutional adoption is increasing because MSTR and the ETF are popular seems dishonest to me. MSTR is pretty much an ETF like instrument aimed at retail, and I believe a lot of the ETF's are bought by retail as well. Yes, the both make it easier for institutions to buy bitcoin, but I don't think it's helpful to say institutions has bought 845k bitcoin because retail has bought it through MSTR.

Mean-Fix9221

Been seeing the same ETF flows and corporate treasury adds for months now, not really anything groundbreaking happening 🤷‍♂️

baIIern

Buying a Bitcoin ETF for 401k is a very dumb idea imho haha. People are realizing it

CFDsForFun

Not really. It’s been 5 years and performed awfully. If I had an ETF down after 5 years I’d be complaining, not justify it with “it’s a bear market now”. 5 years should be enough time for a quality asset to appreciate. I know there are examples eg Japan but no one is saying “it’s a bear market”. They are saying it’s a lost multi decade of returns

devCheckingIn

I thought we were finally going to have a net positive ETF day yesterday, but then IBIT came in with the last-minute mega-dump.

NebeusMarketing

Bitcoin around $60k has meant very different things in different cycles. In November 2021, BTC fell back toward $60k just days after hitting a then-record high near $69k. That was still basically late-cycle euphoria: [https://www.reuters.com/technology/bitcoin-falls-more-than-4-near-60000-2021-11-16/](https://www.reuters.com/technology/bitcoin-falls-more-than-4-near-60000-2021-11-16/) In February 2024, BTC returned to $60k during a strong ETF-driven rally. Reuters reported that Bitcoin was up around 42% that month, its biggest monthly gain since late 2020, helped by inflows into newly approved US spot Bitcoin ETFs: [https://www.reuters.com/technology/bitcoin-eyes-60000-biggest-monthly-rally-since-late-2020-2024-02-28/](https://www.reuters.com/technology/bitcoin-eyes-60000-biggest-monthly-rally-since-late-2020-2024-02-28/) Now, the same \~$60k level is happening after a roughly 50% drawdown from the October 2025 high. Reuters also noted that $60k is close to Bitcoin’s 200-week moving average, around $61,778, making it an important technical support area: [https://www.reuters.com/markets/global-markets-technicals-graphic-2026-06-08/](https://www.reuters.com/markets/global-markets-technicals-graphic-2026-06-08/) There is also a leverage angle. CoinDesk reported that the recent break below $62k triggered more than $1.5B in crypto liquidations in 24 hours, including over $800M in Bitcoin positions: [https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2026/06/04/bitcoin-drops-below-usd62-000-as-usd1-5-billion-in-crypto-longs-get-wiped-out](https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2026/06/04/bitcoin-drops-below-usd62-000-as-usd1-5-billion-in-crypto-longs-get-wiped-out) So I don’t think the useful question is “was $62k expensive or cheap?” The better question is: What kind of $62k is this? 2021: $62k near euphoria. 2024: $62k during ETF-driven momentum. 2026: $62k after a 50% drawdown, near long-term technical support, after a leverage flush. Same price. Completely different market structure. That does not automatically make it a buy, but it does mean the risk/reward setup is not the same as the last time Bitcoin traded here.

No_Thanks2844

billions of $ in ETF outflows.

No_Thanks2844

billions of $ in ETF outflows.

Bluejumprabbit

Buying ETH here makes sense if you think onchain dollars and tokenized stuff keep settling on Ethereum. If that keeps growing, $1500 is cheap because ETF holders still do not get staking or onchain yield and spot holders do.

devCheckingIn

Could be people closing shorts. There were some actual ETF buys today.

Sad_Experience_2516

That’s a good point and probably one reason ETH ETFs don’t behave exactly like BTC ETFs. If the product doesn’t capture staking yield, there’s a real opportunity cost for longer-term holders. I still think ETF flows matter for directional demand, but I agree the no-staking structure makes the ETH ETF trade less clean than the BTC one.

Savings-Leading4618

Because they need money now, not in 2-3 years. They might need to spend that money, or they might decide to allocate the capital to other investments such as IA. Also, Bitcoin is at 60k, when ETF's launched not so much ago, bitcoin was at 30k, this is easily a 2x in a short period of time for a lot of investors.

Siludin

I don't get it - why not just buy a BTC ETF instead of this stock? Please explain me very dumb

ecrane2018

Then buy the ETF, that’s been out for almost 2 years.

BHG_702

Nah bruh 😭 lol what do you mean by “great way to sell ETF’s”?

Deep_Reading_3975

Big 🍊 playbook: After getting de-banked by numerous major banks because of Jan 6 a MASSIVE percentage of generational wealth / liquidity became exposed on the friggin’ block chain due to nowhere else to put it. Commence: \- Generating public support and regulation \- Popping pump-n-dump coins with blowoff tops carefully timed to occur during major donor parties \- Suggesting a “Sovereign wealth / Bitcoin fund.” \- Pardon major crypto criminals (guilty or not) that can add to the protection of the family’s generational wealth \- Encourage trad finance adoption through spot ETF’s. \- Get the Hell back into traditional banking system as fast as humanly possible!!! \- Cue crypto crickets… 🦗 🦗 🦗 Can’t you hear them yet? Not even trying to be political. Not even going there. I understand trying to protect one’s family wealth. You just have to see that a MAJOR support for the asset, the whole class, has evaporated - 💨

TheresNoSecondBest

Congrats on the move, it's never too late, [despite new people thinking otherwise](https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/rskpuf/i_have_only_600_bitcoinsi_missed_the_bus/). ONLY INVEST MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE. Invest in your knowledge, learn about Bitcoin as much as you can. The Bitcoin Standard book is a must read. So is Broken Money by Lyn Alden. Also, **don't reply any DMs**, emails, private messages on other social media, promising to buy Bitcoin from them or get rich quick by investing into some website. They all are scammers. Even the hot Asian chick, he's a scammer too. **Price wise, nobody knows what the price will be tomorrow, next week or at the end of the year.** **Try "Bitcoin ONLY" strategy for at least the first 210,000 block cycle**, you'll sleep much better. Newcomers lose so much money, holding tokens just because someone on YT told them to. If you don't like losing money in [failed coins](https://www.coingecko.com/research/publications/how-many-cryptocurrencies-failed), avoid. DCA is probably the best approach. Once a week works best for me, but I'm getting paid weekly. This [DCA calculator](https://21vox.com/dca-calculator) might help to decide what will work best for you. In a few years, even $10 dollars a month can make a massive difference. This [DCA blog](https://er-bybitcoin.com/) is pretty interesting too and compares buying bitcoin VS stocks. Now, don't buy some fake bitcoin at a spot ETF place or similar, **get the real thing** that you can withdraw anytime you want. Register at a proper exchange and buy real Bitcoin. Any of these will do [https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin](https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin) Install (or buy - in case you're getting Bitcoin in Thousands of $) one or more of these wallets. **A few good wallet choices:** [https://blockstream.com/app/](https://blockstream.com/app/) \- Top Security Features, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://bluewallet.io](https://bluewallet.io/) \- excellent, easy to use wallet, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://www.sparrowwallet.com](https://www.sparrowwallet.com) - top desktop wallet [https://electrum.org](https://electrum.org/) \- Solid choice, Open Source and Non-Custodial, one of the oldest and most trusted Bitcoin Wallets. I prefer the desktop version but it works on mobile too. **Lightning wallets** to consider (cheaper and faster transactions, great for small amounts): [https://phoenix.acinq.co/](https://phoenix.acinq.co/) \- Phoenix - very good wallet, uses Tor for extra privacy, easy for anyone new [https://blixtwallet.github.io/](https://blixtwallet.github.io/) \- Blixt - great UI, fast and clean. The app runs a full LND node on your phone and you have the ability to easily open channels to whatever nodes you like. [https://zeusln.com/](https://zeusln.com/) Zeus - impressive wallet with many features, can even generate Nostr keys [https://breez.technology](https://breez.technology/) \- Breez - excellent POS for small business owners as well as integrated Bitrefill Note: Breez does also a hybrid liquid/LN wallet called Misty Breez - the sats being on liquid means no need for channels although the payments take a few extra seconds. You'll also can get a free customable LN address. While talking about hybrid wallets, there's also Aqua Wallet although not IMHO as good as Misty Breez. There are also custodial LN wallet but I would honestly avoid using them because you have to trust the wallet operator not to steal your money. Their only advantage is that they are incredibly easy to use, although it might cost you big one day. To keep up to date with spending wallets, visit r/TheLightningNetwork at least once a while and perhaps r/RGB in the future. **Hardware Wallets** (to store larger amounts): [Trezor](https://trezor.io/) \- Easy to use, no matter how new in Bitcoin you're. If you can afford it, opt for Safe 7 (air-gapped) and use the Bitcoin only firmware as it's safer than a multi coin software. [ColdCard](https://coldcardwallet.com/) - air gapped, Bitcoin only, has advanced features but a new user will do fine with one of the great tutorials available. [BitBox02](https://bitbox.swiss/bitbox02/bitcoin-only/) - another great little device, opt for the more secure Bitcoin ONLY version (less coins = less code = less chance for a hidden bug or a backdoor). Sadly, this device is not air-gapped. [Jade](https://blockstream.com/jade) - air gapped, fully open source, Bitcoin only, great features. There's a newer version called Jade Plus, it has much better camera and overall is a better, although a bit more expensive, option. You can even [build it on your own](https://github.com/Blockstream/jade/), if you feel adventurous. [Seedsigner](https://github.com/SeedSigner/seedsigner) - another DIY, fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, not for you if you're just starting up but something to consider later. [Krux wallet](https://selfcustody.github.io/krux/) - one more DIY hardware device, I love this one for many reasons. Similar to Seedsigner, it's fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, that is not for you right now if you're just starting up, but something to consider at a later stage and/or to up the security of your bitcoin. There's also Ledger, but I wouldn't recommend it as it's not fully open source, keep and already leaked customers' details, recently said they're capable of sending customers' keys out just with a firmware update, making is an expensive hot wallet. The opposite of what you want from a cold wallet. **Stay away**, save yourself a headache in the future. The same goes for many other hardware wallets that are too new or filled with too much of unnecessary shitcoin code. Stay away. Whatever wallet you'll decide to buy, purchase DIRECTLY from the manufacturer, no eBay, no Amazon. Make sure the device is NOT preset, and you will generate your own seed words. Write them down on any piece of paper as well as the receiving address. Now wipe the wallet and generate a new wallet. If the seed words are different from the first set, you're safe to use it. Find an option to set a passphrase and use it. This will boost the security to another level. Never store the seed words and passphrase together. Use a different medium if possible. If somebody finds both, they'll be able to steal your coin. This little device will hold the keys to your money, that's the reason why you have to be a bit more careful. Also, no worries, if it breaks, you can replace it - as long as you keep your seed words and passphrase(s) safe. Welcome to the rabbit hole and don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions anytime during your Bitcoin journey. Also, [check the sidebar](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/about) that's filled with lots of great info and if you have any questions, visit r/BitcoinBeginners or r/Bitcoin and look for the answers.

TaxSaveIQ

That's why some traders prefer deep in-the-money LEAP calls instead of buying shares outright. The appeal is getting exposure to a potential long-term recovery while committing less capital upfront. And since LEAPS have a longer expiration date, there's more time for a bullish thesis to play out compared to short-dated options. Of course, no strategy is perfect. If the market continues lower, both shares and LEAPS can lose value. But for investors who believe the Nasdaq will be significantly higher over the next couple of years, it's an approach worth understanding. Before making any decision, it's helpful to run different scenarios and see how volatility can affect leveraged ETFs over time. You can use the Leveraged ETF Decay Calculator to test TQQQ, UPRO, SOXL, and other leveraged ETFs under different market conditions and see how the numbers change. [https://stockleo.com/leveraged-etf-decay-calculator](https://stockleo.com/leveraged-etf-decay-calculator)

Ok_Freedom3290

It’s going to do both, but at different times. Spot ETF options will introduce Dealer Gamma loops (GEX) to Bitcoin, which means market makers will be forced to buy dips and sell rallies to remain delta-neutral, dampening daily volatility. However, during option expiration weeks (OPEX), we'll see heavy pinning effects and sudden volatility spikes near maximum pain strikes as institutions rebalance their books. I actually track these institutional flows and GEX levels on a dashboard I built called [AlphaSignal](https://alphasignal.digital/). Seeing the option hedging walls helps you understand why price suddenly stalls at certain levels even with heavy spot buying pressure.

dormango

No. BlackRock manages a BTC ETF. It is not BlackRock money that owns that ETF.

FishermanNew4171

That doesn’t make sense. If the ETF’s are selling btc then it should show a negative daily flow but it has been positive for like 9 months. Not accepting this as the answer, sorry! 

Patient_Craft2195

You're asking the right question and your BTC dominance observation is the genuine tell. Current data confirms it's chop, not accumulation: * ETH/BTC at 0.0283 (10-month low) * BTC.D still at 56% — hasn't peaked, no rotation possible * ETH ETFs on a record 17-day outflow streak * BTC ETFs also bleeding (13-day streak, $4.3B out) This is broad risk-off where ETH is the higher-beta loser, not the start of rotation. Real question for you: what's your conviction trigger? Because "Glamsterdam pumps ETH" and "ETF flows flip after Glamsterdam" are very different bets with very different sizing. Knowing which one you're playing changes the trade.

Big-Finding2976

Have you considered joining stock/ETF investing subs instead of crypto subs?

ObviousEconomist

Demand can also continue to crash. Plus it's been a horrific year this year despite all the positive headwinds like increasing regulatory clarity, BlackRock ETF, US Treasury, etc. Bitcoin hasn't acted like the inflation hedge that it was supposed to. It's conceivable people just give up on it as a serious investment. 

Physical-Title-9442

Hahaha btc hasnt fully capitulated. Almost all ETF holders are in the red. Another red week to 53k this month

BrokenHefaistos

the bottom is there when the institutional pockets are full and the place is so devastated it can only go up. ( which is a great way to sell ETF's )

Western-Source710

ETF outflows, so retail

Kitchen-Ad-9531

Not in crypto. In 10 years eth you be worth 1k. Hold crypto that long is not smart. Again you should be looking for 1x-3x returns. Especially from cryptocurrency. If you're looking for compound growth and dividends invest in ETF like SCHD, voo, spid(monthly dividends)

Legitimate-Net-7744

ETF buyers (investors/wallet street) needs cach for SpaceX and openAI IPOs. Big sell off happened. This ride down might stabilize or continue for 2 more months