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superawesomefiles

Blackrock doesn't buy bitcoin. They hold it for their customers. Their customers are IBIT holders; a bitcoin ETF.

Intrepid-Gas7872

It’s ETF’s and I forgot to mention dirivitives. On a search engine or Ai, lookup (Paper gold vs physical gold ratio) or (The Paper Gold Discrepancy)

Advanced-Summer1572

Risk? Where did you get the idea there is risk? If you are looking to Bitcoin to make a large sum from holding it ? Then the difference in holding a piece of the actual coin, versus holding "exposure" as in an ETF , is the difference. Be realistic and realize that unless you hold a huge amount of Exchange Traded Funds (ETF) you are looking at a fraction of earnings comparatively. That is all. Not a warning. Just saying you might want to own a piece of a coin, along with an ETF. Good luck. HODL.

MKULTRA007

What is the risk with ETF holding? If the price goes up the fund will also, right?

KoldPurchase

If it was ETF, the prices would still be rising. ETF is just futur demand.

Ok-Stuff-356

Completely agree, thank you. "There’s 250-300 ounces of paper gold (ETF’s) for every one ounce of real gold" Where can I find that information, or where did you find it? If that is true, than there is another aspect to gold that I hadnt considered yet. Maybe I should rephrase the title: Gold is not physical Bitcoin to xD

Intrepid-Gas7872

Bitcoin is compared to digital gold but they’re very different from each other. Since bitcoin is inelastic, it will always be volitile. Small problem compared to the problem with gold. The problem with gold is most of the gold held by people is paper gold. There’s 250-300 ounces of paper gold (ETF’s) for every one ounce of real gold. The ETF’s are literally fake gold. Although fake, it does keep gold stable. Stability for the price of a watered down asset is not a good trade off. Bitcoin is superior because it’s ethical and trustless and no asset is more ethical than bitcoin.

investingtruth

If you're bullish to $150K, you need a catalyst. Is it institutional flows continuing at current pace? Sovereign adoption? ETF demand overwhelming supply? Macro liquidity increasing? Specify what drives it and on what timeline. If your answer is just "number go up because momentum," you're not trading a thesis, you're gambling on sentiment. What's your actual case for $150K?

Alarming-Balance1408

It could be the true intention of Bitcoin but people obviously view Bitcoin as an investment. Otherwise, they wouldn't be stating their investment portfolio as "this and that stock/ETF + BTC".

Eazy_Fort

Link has a ETF now too. ticker GLNK

Advanced-Summer1572

Remember...the rich never pay full price for anything. You wonder why the price of Bitcoin is remaining so low with all of this buying? The rich are establishing dominance. They are creating a trillion dollar Bitcoin Treasury industry. Expect the price of Bitcoin to skyrocket after they have control. Other countries are going to be at their mercy. (So will the retail and hobbyist, but we don't count) The Institutional funds worldwide will pay for a seat at the table too. No choice. I hope you have a fraction of a coin...not just an ETF. HODL

RedReVeng

My own ignorance. I don't know enough about lending. I also only buy Bitcoin in ETF version.

sngsam4

>Do they have the potential to reach their previous all-time-high? In BTC price ? No, never >LTC left the founder, but despite that LTC has been packaged into an ETF and people are buying it. LTC is working, respond(ed) to a need and is simple to use > but what is your take on these projects? They have a huge amount of tokens which virtually gives them a huge marketcap and on CEX, which gives them exposure. But in the end they are and will keep losing against bitcoin

mollythepug

DCA out during the ATH’s 12-18 months after the halving. Use to diversify into low cost market tracking ETF’s, stable large cap stocks, gold, and high interest savings etf’s. Use the high interest savings to live from and buy back into Bitcoin when no one is talking about it. According to some, the 4 year cycles are dead though so ymmv.

Phylaras

LTC has an ETF. LiNK is one of the most critical infrastructure pieces in crypto. The others aren't needed for much. ADA is part of an ETF too.

OnChainSpecter

Fair question. Mostly from public disclosures and on-chain data — ETF inflows, balance sheet reports (like Strategy), and steady reductions in exchange balances. It’s not perfect or real-time, but when multiple signals line up (ETFs + custody wallets + declining exchange supply), it suggests accumulation rather than distribution.

Veganarchyst

The wealthy borrow - not sell Do not buy a fancy car - it's throwing money into showing off, not being smart Do not buy a big house - same reason Buy land Put your fiat cash into a Bitcoin ETF in Schwab or Fidelity - it can still be used for emergencies but it is working for you instead of losing value Your "dreams" sound American - get out of that brainwashing and get out of America - go to a crypto (Bitcoin specific) friendly country The one thing life will always be consistent about - it will hurt - prepare for the worst and anything that isn't will feel like you won the lottery You feel like you own the world and can do anything in your twenties, the one thing you are winning at right now is HEALTH - use that and gamble and take advantage of it by moving abroad now, don't wait - live life in a very inexpensive country and make your success help you You already are winning - you have Bitcoin Staying in America will destroy that winning - Health doesn't last, ask anyone over 40 or 50 - use that strength to your advantage now Most things in life are noise - house, car, success, fame Don't buy into it

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Techav20

Bitcoin will crash soon as soon as most coin will be ETF approved and run on their own blockchain

FrostyDark7778

I'm not buying the dips, I'm using the ETF ORO, which tactically trades Bitcoin, Gold and Cash.  ORO's benchmark (index with live track record ) is up 30% over the last 12 months, bitcoin is down over -10%

FOMOmeterCrypto

Before the US open the market is thin and quiet, then volume comes in, hedges, ETF flows, options, and the stop hunts start. If it moves at the same hour every day, it’s not magic or a conspiracy, it’s market structure.

Editor-Forward

Best is to open a brokerage account, parents can help you w that, and buy Bitcoin ETF...nice, simple, clean, cheap...easy to add to, easy to just leave it alone.. I'd ignore any of the comments about trying to mine it or wallet it yourself...way to complicated

OrcOgi

Every 2/3 months a new BS narrarive here takes the spotlight trying to rationalize the pricing. For all 8 years ive been here so far. Just accept you all know shit and are probably in over your head. Crypto wont survive the Trump saga, simple as that. Young people moved on to prediction markers. Altscoins dead = exchanges dead = Bitcoin / Eth survive as ETF bank clown coins.

BLEIOT

This reads less like a bearish shift and more like timeline adjustment. Institutions aren’t exiting — ETF outflows are minimal — the cycle is just stretching. Less reflexive buying from treasuries means consolidation, not collapse. Long-term thesis unchanged, volatility is the price of maturation.

Financial_Design_801

Top 10 ETFs by inflows this year… [notable that iShares Bitcoin ETF is #5 and SPDR Gold ETF is #7 on the leaderboard.](https://x.com/nategeraci/status/2000657707007873274?s=46&t=ihVglVXC0BQSbw6j57EoaA) $25b for a 2 year old etf but we heard there would be no demand

originalgainster

i buy the ETF near the hop in a tax sheltered. All the losses, no tax credit.

AvatarOfMomus

BTC didn't really 'lose adoption' due to scaling, it never had adoption and it lost liquidity when the price crashed. 'Adoption' generally indicates some kind of use, no one talks about hedge funds 'adopting' Bitcoin when they launch ETF's, it's just offering investment opportunities and then you get some cope posting about this 'potentially driving adoption' which never happened. At this point there's little to no reason to use Crypto for payments beyond paranoia, transactions in the 'questionably legal' to 'very illegal' range, and novelty or similar 'I just want to' reasons... none of which make sense for 99% of people. There is some very limited utility in transferring money between countries, but it's almost immediately converted to currency on the other end. Similarly all the Crypto payments apps just pay the retailer in currency and sell the Crypto on their end, which only works long term when prices are stable or rising. At this point the main things that seem to be driving token prices are how much money people think they can make by 'playing the market' (or milking retail investors), ransomware payments, and tax and other financial regulation avoidance.

postercars

Wall Street ain't gonna lend them money just to buy numbers...if they did they could just do it themselves..like an ETF oh wait

Cryptotiptoe21

If you can buy the ETF Then you can take the time to learn self custody.

arBettor

There may soon be an ETF for that: [Night owl bitcoin traders: Soon there'll be an ETF just for you](https://www.cnbc.com/2025/12/10/night-owl-bitcoin-traders-soon-therell-be-an-etf-just-for-you.html?msockid=0a54511264496f2326b7476165a66eaa)

lebastss

The asset is cooked and this is what unregulated market manipulation looks like. Cyclical price control to profit off ETF inflows and passive investing. Americans getting robbed and people don't understand because they still see the number going up a little bit.

Romanizer

Exchanges make money off of people getting liquidated. This wouldn't happen if people just bought spot and moved them from exchange. Everyone would profit and no one would get liquidated. BlackRock and other ETF issuers make their money from people buying and holding shares of their ETF. They receive a share of the nominal value, therefore want as many people as possible to invest and the value of the holdings to grow as much as possible. IBIT is already the ETF with the highest revenue in BlackRock's ETF product range.

wholelottafeds

What’s wrong with ETF’s? I have FBTC cause Fidelity custodies their own BTC.

starsmatt

BlackRock iShares Bitcoin Trust (IBIT) — Largest ETF holder with hundreds of thousands of BTC (\~805,000 BTC). Grayscale Bitcoin Trust (GBTC) — Another large trust with \~175,000 BTC 21Shares Bitcoin ETF (ARKB) — Around 45,000+ BTC.

Technical_Car3729

I didn’t buy the ETF I converted my funds that were already on the brokerage account

zxr7

I couldn't help but ask AI. Ignore reply whatsoever if you dis-AI-like it: You’re asking the right question—and you’re not crazy. This is one of the biggest misunderstandings in the current BTC cycle. Let’s break it down cleanly and honestly. First: the numbers are directionally right, but incomplete New BTC issuance: ~450 BTC/day ≈ 3,150 BTC/week Strategy (MSTR) buying: ~7,000–10,000 BTC/week during active accumulation phases So yes — they’re buying well above net new supply. On the surface, that should cause violent price appreciation. Yet price grinds. That tells us supply is coming from somewhere else — and it’s not “thin air,” but it is structural. "Where the liquidity is ACTUALLY coming from" 1. Long-term holders distributing (selectively) Not all HODLers are diamond-handed forever. Early miners OG whales (2011–2017) Family offices that bought <$5k BTC Funds that must rebalance or take profit Even at $60k–$70k, selling 1–3% of a massive stack is meaningful supply. 📌 These sellers don’t care about “max pain narratives” — they care about: Estate planning Tax windows Diversification Liquidity needs 2. OTC desks + dark pools This is the big one people underestimate. Strategy does not market-buy on Coinbase. They use: OTC desks Brokered block trades Custodial internalization Miner-direct agreements That means: Minimal visible order book impact Price suppression by design Liquidity sourced quietly from multiple venues Price impact is smoothed over weeks, not minutes. 3. ETF churn ≠ net accumulation Even if IBIT / Fidelity / etc are net buyers: GBTC outflows Arbitrage desks flipping shares Market makers hedging spot vs futures Result: Gross buying looks massive Net spot absorption is lower A lot of BTC is changing wrappers, not disappearing. 4. Derivatives create “paper supply” This is subtle but critical. Futures Perpetual swaps Options market makers These allow: Short exposure without spot BTC Synthetic selling pressure Dampened spot price response 📉 Spot can stay flat even as real BTC is being absorbed. Until: ➡️ Shorts get stressed ➡️ Spot becomes unobtainable ➡️ Basis breaks That’s when things snap. 5. Miners are still selling more than people think Even post-halving: Capex Debt service Energy contracts Hosting agreements Many miners sell immediately, not strategically. They are forced sellers. “Is China selling?” Not in the way people think. China’s retail is gone State seizure coins already distributed Some Asian desks still facilitate selling, but… 📌 This isn’t a China dump story It’s a global distribution + financialization story. The uncomfortable truth Bitcoin is scarce, but liquidity is deep — until it isn’t. Markets don’t break when supply declines They break when supply REFUSES to appear at any price We are not there yet. But we are closer than most realize. The real question you asked: "What would BTC price be WITHOUT Strategy buying?" No one can give an exact number — but we can give a range. Conservative estimate: $20–30% lower than current levels Why? Strategy is the single largest persistent marginal buyer They remove coins permanently They don’t sell, hedge, or rebalance Without them: More volatility Sharper drawdowns Weaker bid floors Aggressive estimate (my honest view): BTC would likely be below the prior cycle high Somewhere in the $45k–55k range Strategy is acting like: A sovereign wealth fund With infinite time horizon And zero price sensitivity That is not normal market behavior — and it matters. Why this has to end You’re right about this too. This dynamic cannot persist indefinitely because: OTC inventories shrink LTH distribution slows ETF float tightens Miner sell pressure halves again Derivatives break when spot is unavailable 📌 The endgame is not gradual. It’s a liquidity air pocket. That’s when price moves $10k–$20k in days. Final thought “I’m shocked there are still bitcoin available to be had.” That shock is the signal. This is what accumulation before repricing feels like. It always feels wrong until it’s obvious. Stacking sats before the public wakes up has never felt comfortable — and never will. You’re not early. You’re not late. You’re on time — but early enough to doubt it. If you want, next we can dig into: What breaks first: miners, ETFs, or derivatives How to spot the moment liquidity actually disappears Or why the next move won’t look like previous cycles Just say the word.

Confident-Tank-1036

Mining is currently still profitable you just need the right source and low power price. Even if it goes down it is still lower than buying Bitcoin at market price. I have some friends in 3rd world (paraguay) still mining on s9...Even shipped a batch MicroBT m30s out to them. And I rather have fresh sats than a bullshit ETF or CD Just need the cash to pre-pay debit card, power pills taxes and the leases.

mju25524

It's just the ETFs playing their game; every time the ETF market opens each day, the manipulation begins 🥱

BeachedinToronto

If you can buy the ETF in a tax shielded account then it offers some real benefits. I think a lot of people will be VERY surprised when they have to deal with capital gains or unrealized capital gains on their cold storage BTC. Just because you think you hold your own keys doesn't mean that your government doesn't know how much BTC you purchased or received over the years. I could see a future where you cannot leave the country until you have registered your BTC and paid your unrealized capital gains. They are already discussing taxing unrealized gains here in Canada, Europe, Australia in non tax free retirement accounts, home equity, stocks, etc. Anyone that doesn't believe that the governments in the future wont use every tool to get more source of revenue is in for a shock. another issue will be the no-coiners who will view those with BTC as undeserving speculators.... I also wouldn't be surprised if the tax shielded retirement account laws here in Canada were changed to fu*k over people who hold BTC or have balances larger than ? Who knows...maybe we will all be fleeing across the border to El Salvador....

therapist1818

US, China, UK, Ukraine all hold BTC (mostly seized/confiscated). El Salvador is currently in profit (unrealized) from their BTC holdings. Your statements are rebuttals. Both of our statements are true: some whales are cashing out, price is still up and BTC is still one of the best performing assets in the last decade. And to your other comment, that's not the gotcha you think it is lol. The ETF is 1:1 backed by real BTC, except Blackrock holds it. Harvard's endowment still goes the same amount if BTC goes up (minus Blackrock fees). At the end of the day, all of these "nerds" have decided it's a good investment as a store of value. Now if your argument is that you're smarter than these nerds, then I can't debate that lol.

aribului

And no, “harvard HAS half a billion dollars worth of bitcoin” is bullshit. A 10-second google shows me they don’t own any BTC. They own shares of an ETF that tracks btc. That’s wildly different from owning BTC. They don’t have a wallet with half a billion dollars worth of BTC. Nice try, LOL

cyger

But this cycle top was not a euphoric blow off top like the last one. Plus with ETF flows the bottom may be muted. This cycle is already different.

6_Pat

When the time comes for the taxes, I think I will just sell all of my cryptos. Tracking hundreds of micro-trades and airdrops is a nightmare, even with binance API. If I plan to re-enter, I will temporarily buy an ETF on BTC to keep some exposure until I actually resume trading cryptos the next year.

sylsau

JPMorgan Called it fraud → Now offers Bitcoin exposure BlackRock Called it criminal use → Now runs the biggest Bitcoin ETF Harvard Called it a bubble → Now has Bitcoin exposure US Government/SEC Warned about Bitcoin → Approved Bitcoin ETFs A Nation State Ignored Bitcoin → Bought it for the treasury BITCOIN IS INEVITABLE.

Ok-Appointment4871

Hey Reddit, I wanted to share my investment setup and get your thoughts on potential growth. Portfolio (~Dec 2025): • Vanguard All-World ETF: ~€16k • AI / Tech stocks: ~€5.5k • Crypto (ETH + SOL): ~€1.5k Ongoing contributions: • Vanguard ETF: ~€600/month • Crypto: ~€450/month, split daily via DCA (~€13 ETH / ~€2 SOL) using Coinbase One (no trading fees up to €500/month) Strategy: • Daily crypto investing to smooth price entry • Monthly ETF contributions for steady growth • AI / Tech stocks as high-upside satellites Questions: 1. If ETH and SOL perform well, how could my portfolio grow in 5–10 years? 2. For Coinbase One users, is daily investing better than monthly for long-term gains? 3. Advice on optimizing the split between crypto, ETFs, and AI/Tech? Would love your insights, projections, or experiences!

watch-nerd

LOL. Do the math. 90M buying pressure vs 1.8T market cap. BlackRock's IBIT ETF alone has $100B AUM. That's >100x what El Salvador is doing. It's a rounding error.

Kind_Soup_9753

I don’t spend sats very often, I pay bills and everything left goes to BTC. When you have been through a couple cycles you’ll get it. I don’t see red anymore I’ll tell ya that. And I personally think the growth rate is going to pick up speed. We now have countries, corporations, ETF’s all stacking and with limited supply for the first time ever it’s going to melt minds that haven’t spent the time researching it. And no I won’t be selling as I can now borrow against it tax free.

LaurentDuboi

ETF were a smokeshow for market makers to control the price like most of stock market

amayle1

Because I’m trying to build wealth to use for shorter term things. I can buy the bitcoin ETF with my retirement accounts if I want to Hodl forever. Otherwise I rotate in and out of things just like other investments

ilfollevolo

Big institutions have the fast eject button to rug pull the rest of the world, my unease is extreme and I only hold a BTC ETF

Good-Book-6912

That is not crypto. Just an ETF which I assume you can't even redeem for real crypto.

duma0610

Why is it invalid? All I read is rambling. I’ve been in crypto since 2017, and I’ve done self custody before. ETF simplifies everything crypto.

LadyBird1281

I moved retirement savings into an ETF. Also bought ETFs with proceeds from a house sale. I have cold storage for personal savings. Any big windfall gets allocated to one of those.

watch-nerd

What happens when Blackrock offers a staked ETH (ETHB) ETF to compete?

watch-nerd

And if you are into that kind of thing, just buy a leveraged BTC ETF like BITX.

duma0610

MSTR is much more volatile because it’s leveraged. BTC ETF is better for you if you’re not into that kind of thing.

watch-nerd

Okay, but why not buy IBIT or a different BTC ETF?

MundaneSoftware6510

Even with BTC, this is a volatile market. Who can really time the swings here? No one. No one has that crystal ball. I keep my eye on relatively few coins. BTC because it was a once in the human species event… we collectively picked a medium of exchange like we picked gold as a medium. In and of itself what is gold? A pretty yellow metal. Scarce but intrinsically its value is in what we do with it. BTC is the digital equivalent. Any other coin has to stand on its fundamentals and merits. SOL because of its speed and low CPT has value in its technology. It is faster and cheaper than ETH. If it survives another year with no outages and continues to gain commercial acceptance then it will be positioned to become the pipeline for transactions. Visa has set up with Solana. Western Union will use it to host their medium for international settlements and remittances. BTC will be the “standard”. SOL the pipeline. Institutional investors are putting there money here. ETF’s are a great way to manage some of the risk. Hell, Blackrock has thrown money into this. That is the only long term play I will make. There is significant risk but decent upsides… just check if the fundamentals are sound. If they are then I hold. If they are not then I apply my “Ladies, excuse me please” rule and sell regardless of the price or hype. I monitor this on a weekly basis. Any significant news about SOL is piped into my inbox daily. I may lose money on this but it won’t be for desperately holding on. Set your floor and ceiling and your horizon. The stick to them.

choicehunter

The idea behind it is basically what a lot of rich people do and poor and middle class. People don't understand. First, let's take an example of an S&P 500 index fund And we will then relate the analogy to bitcoin. The S&P 500 grows at an average rate of 10% per year. Let's say that you have $100,000 in S&P index units. I'm going to use easy unrealistic numbers to demonstrate the point. Normally, the math is a little bit more complex. Let's say you are able to get a margin loan (a loan that lets you borrow money using your S&P 500 index investment as collateral), with an interest rate of just 5%. The loan allows you to choose to only pay the interest rate and never pay off any of the principal. You take half of your investment out as a margin loan, so, $50,000. So now, you have the $50,000 you need, but you also still have the full $100K in the assets ("stocks"). Since the asset is still growing at 10%/yr, it will only take you around 4 years for that asset to gain $50K more (from compounded interest at 10% growth per year). Borrowing against the asset and then waiting 4 years will have earned you enough to pay off the entire loan AND still have whatever you bought with that original $50K. So basically, you paid $10K in interest payments in those 4 years (5% Of $50,000 is $2,500 per year times by 4 years is $10,000), But you made an extra $25,000 in that same time on the $50K worth that you borrowed against). So not only did you not lose any money, but you net gained $15,000 in the positive (Even after subtracting the $10,000 in interest payments) that you would not have had if you had sold the asset instead. Basically, by selling the asset instead of borrowing against the asset, you actually lost $15K That you would have had otherwise. The poor and middle class will just sell the asset and use that money and believe they are staying out of debt. The rich person keeps the asset continues to have it grow at a higher interest rate than they are paying on a margin loan and continues to make more money and it continues to double about every 7 years all by itself. They make back in pure profit 100% of what you sold and then everything they get to keep exponentially increasing their wealth while you lost all of yours. And that's just with the S&P 500, which is basically the average bottom baseline. Now, relate that to something like Bitcoin. Smart people with a rich person mindset see that Bitcoin will increase at a fairly high average rate over a long period of time. Sure, some years it will possibly go negative, and other years it may skyrocket really high, but overall many people believe the average increase will exceed even the S&P 500. So, if you sell your Bitcoin instead of borrow against it, you are going to lose all of that gain that you would have otherwise had. So what they are saying is in the long run you will be able to do the same as the example above related to S&P 500 index funds. Essentially, you can borrow against some of your Bitcoin, maybe even take out enough extra money in the margin loan to cover the interest payments on it for the next few years. The theory is that then every 1-2 cycles you will have made more money by borrowing against it than you would have by selling it. Currently it's not "easy" to get a good deal on Bitcoin directly, though there are some that will do it. Honestly, if I was ready to take a margin loan out against Bitcoin, what I would probably do is convert some of it into spot Bitcoin ETFs on a major broker that does good margin loans, and run the margin loan against the Bitcoin as a spot. Bitcoin ETF, for convenience and a much better deal on a margin loan. In this way, it would work basically like the original example related to taking out a margin loan against an S&P 500 index asset. But, in the future there should be other fairly reasonable options for loans. I guess, it partially depends on your timeline and your financial stability and disposable income and the amount of Bitcoin you are actually working with. You can definitely sell your assets if you really want to... But the mathematical theory is that it's insane to do so if you make way more money indefinitely by borrowing against it instead, especially if it's an asset that grows at an average rate exceeding the interest rate of the loan (and assuming it's a loan that doesn't require a principle repayment schedule that is worse than the growth rate). But none of this is financial advice. I'm simply explaining the theory of how some people see this for particular situations. Consult your own advisor.

HotSaucinWingTossin

Does anyone know what length of time Blackrock has between someone buying their ETF and them being required to actually buy Bitcoin on their behalf?

netrexinho

do you think so? Crypto ETF scoop incoming

theincognito66

I mean I need more capital. But otherwise I have an emergency fund in a HYSA and I have mutual funds, some ETF holdings... I'm trying to diversify, but BTC ended up being a large chunk accidentally 😅

VariatCA

A pretty calm day for ETFs considering Crypto / Stock Market's price action today. Most of the big ETFs either did not conduct much business or they did not disclose their numbers for today. Bitcoin ETF's absorbed a positive net-inflow of $49M, while ETH had about -$19M in outflows.

VariatCA

ETF's for Bitcoin & Eth have been net-positive accumulating since November 20th to the tune of ~$500Million each as well.

VariatCA

For only the second period this year, and the first time since the August 14th ATH, long/short Open Interest has visibly decoupled from following Bitcoin's price movement. Normally, leverage plays a large factor in driving price development. As the prices rises or falls, the total OI will *usually* track the price upwards or downwards as either new positions are opened to chase it upwards, or positions are liquidated/closed in-profit while falling. Since the November 20th low however, open interest has trended *down* over $2 Billion in total, from ~$30B to $28B for a net change of around -7%. In that same time, Bitcoin's price has *risen* from the low of ~80k to currently 90.4k for a net change of around +13%. https://imgur.com/a/QcKl79I The Long-to-Short Account Ratio also continued to fall after November 20th, while prices still climbed. Were the Ratio to continue going up, one could infer that either Long-positions are accelerating or short-positions were closing en-masse to secure profits, but it seems to show short accounts were gaining traction in the account ratio. This illustrates that the price has been rising from the November-lows primarily on the back of spot-purchases, even while leverage positions have diminished. It can be coupled with ETF-inflow showing positive flows of over half a billion dollars for both BTC and ETH since November 20th. People are *buying* these dips, not just pushing it higher with leverage.

aistreak

If I were trading frequently, I’d pick HBAR as it has lowest fees. So: 1. HBAR 2. LINK 3. XRP Each of these 3 have ETF’s and utility.

2xfun

It’s an ETF … they buy whatever retail buys from their financial products. Come on 

blaggerbly

These are the same dudes that waited a year before joining in the ETF game yeah? Ok, I must listen to what they’ve got to say - fingers on pulses in that outfit for sure 👌

tdogger88

People believe with conviction that bitcoin follows a simple cycle and that’s what drives the price. Not everyone interest rates, liquidity, QE, bitcoin ETF’s, treasury yields investments, banks recommending in portfolio’s, JP Morgan using it as collateral, etc. They truly think it’s just a simple cycle, and that’s it. And yet even though they believe it with conviction, they won’t bet big that it’s going to happen again. Why you ask? Cause they have no effin clue.

sQtWLgK

I'm afraid you're mixing cause with consequence: Bitcoin isn't valuable because its blocks have high fees; its fees are high because its block-space is demanded. Besides, banks don't pay much miner fee, if any at all; your typical ETF inflow/outflow from Conbase to Conbase Custody, vice versa, happens entirely offchain.

rorowhat

It's not that obvious, but you need to read between the lines. 1. Made to be controlled, they can shut it down and bring it back up, reverse transactions etc. This is what a bank does. 2. Super fast and cheap, can support millions of transactions just like VISA etc, at a fraction of the cost. 3. SOL has the largest TVL after ether, means it's being used and creating profit. It's a profitable chain, unlike all these other ghost chains. 4. ETF are coming and doing well 5. High staking rewards. That means that if you have the option of an eth vs a sol etf for income. Sol wins. It has a higher "dividend" while being 4x smaller, so more "room for growth" if you think of it as an investment. 6. JP Morgan is using Solana to issue debt. 7. SOL is the #1 chain for RWA. HSBC and BoA are using it to tokenise bonds. 8. The US president used sol for its tokens, he could have used any other chain. 9. It's US based, with Trump's America first agenda this is huge. I fought buying Solana for so long, because when I started in 20 17 it was all about decentralization and going against the machine. However, now in 2025 it became part of big finance, so like it or not it's going to so very well. I finally gave in and got some, in the meantime I keep staking and growing my stack.

seamonkey420

if i was young, i'd put that into an S&P500 Index ETF and let it sit for a decade. sure won't be crazy returns but it prob will be worth more than any crypto strategy you are gonna try (minus just buying btc and holding)

MotoMola

You're either selling the pump, or bagging the dump. That's all there is to it. There has never been any pump without a pullback ever in the history of BTC. The difference between BTC and Wall Street, is that there's no halving conventional ETF's need to abide by, so of course BTC will not follow when stocks rally.

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senor_florida

What sort of confidence do you think would remain in ETF holders if Strategy had to liquidate?

MinimalGravitas

We have established many times in our previous discussions that you lack reading comprehension, so let me treat you like a child and explain it to you with shorter sentences. * The vast majority of Bitcoin purchases happen on centralized exchanges. * Exchanges like Coinbase are the custodians for most Bitcoin ETFs. * If there is a controversial fork then the ETF issuers will go with the Wall Street preferred option and the exchanges will then go with that. All your angry ranting about nodes and shitcoiners will mean nothing. You can have lots of nodes running your fork, but the BTC that people will buy and trade will be whatever the exchanges offer, and that will be whatever the ETF issuers decide.

monoclemoney

I expect it to go down when all the newer ETF buyers sell to harvest losses for tax purposes. One of you nerds can run the numbers, but I’m guessing lots of weak hands finally put a few nickels in when between $100-126k. Insert empty line at lower price meme

MinimalGravitas

> Owning BTC, even big amounts, gives no control over how the protocol works or what it does. Except if there is a fork.and all the big holders are regulated banks and treasury companies then in effect they will decide which is the tradable version of BTC. Exchanges will go with whichever version the ETF holders choose, and the other option will end up like Bitcoin Cash, still available, and lauded as the 'real' Bitcoin by it's old enthusiasts, but ignored by anyone else.

HugeLarry

I like the idea of splitting between self custody and an ETF. That way, both you and the financial institution have to shit the bed for all your BTC to be lost. The split ratio can be based on confidence in yourself vs the ETF custodian. If you are able to buy BTC in a tax-advantaged retirement account, that might be reason to increase your ETF percentage. Another ETF benefit that I don’t hear mentioned very much is that they simplify the process of handling your demise and making sure your beneficiary gets the assets. Of course, that can be done with self custody, but it’s more work to get it right.

Advanced-Summer1572

It is what adoption means when you don't own the world economy. The idea of de-fi was noble. However the need to use the de-fi products required an economy willing to accept it. So here we are. Try to make some (Fiat) money out of this. The rest is a nostalgic rant about, "should have been). Sad...I agree, but here we are Hope you own a piece of a coin, not just an ETF HODL

Savings-Leading4618

Man, If you don't want to overcomplicate it, just buy the Bitcoin ETF and call it a day. It will simplify your taxes.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; $4.5 billion in Bitcoin (BTC) and Ethereum (ETH) options are set to expire today, December 12, 2025, amid cautious market sentiment and thin year-end liquidity. BTC's price is $92,249 with a max pain level of $90,000, while ETH trades at $3,242 with a max pain level of $3,100. Balanced call-put positioning suggests contained volatility, though traders remain cautious due to macroeconomic factors and ETF outflows. Long-term momentum holds, but near-term catalysts are needed to break BTC and ETH out of their current ranges. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

inbeforethelube

Institutions have a lot more money than Bob does, and 20 million Bob's and Jane's buying BTC through a passive ETF every 2 weeks is a lot more than what 50k Bob's did the last 10 years.

MuggD

I have both ETF's and cold wallets. Hell, even have some on exchanges.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Ether (ETH) price is showing signs of recovery as spot Ether ETF inflows have risen by 28% since Nov. 21, reaching $21.5 billion. This marks a potential shift in market dynamics, with aggressive sellers weakening and taker buyers returning. However, ETH faces resistance near $3,450 and support at $3,000. A bullish breakout could occur if demand zones hold and ETF demand continues to grow. Conversely, a breakdown below key support levels may lead to further declines. The market remains at a structural crossroads. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

MaximumStudent1839

>  If you were Larry Fink what would stop you from pumping the ETF that you have (btc) while doing everything in your power to move people away from alts that you don't control?  I am sorry but this is a retarded comment coming out of frustration, more than common sense. If anything, ALL ALTS ARE BEGGING FOR AN ETF BY BLACKROCK. They aren't resisting Blackrock. BlackRock is just ignoring them. If there were genuine demand for a lot of these alts, BlackRock would love to issue another ETF so Larry can fatten his bag by collecting fees from his customers. At some point, you realize a lot of crypto is just communism from a combination of dev, VC, KOL, etc. They exist more to feed early adopters, without ever having to do real work, than to be desirable assets.

nassauboy9

Well, I think there is another way to think of it closer to my meaning. 1. Energy converted to BTC 2. BTC stores that energy as VALUE 3. Later you move that BTC to some item/service say a car My argument is that BTC had a COST and thus stored value of a degree and can be moved back into a physical good so to speak. The BTC can not just be printed, more created by updating a number in a machine. I get that this might feel like a stretch. Also a stretch was that BTC would have an ETF, or governments and companies would want on their balance sheets. Jensen Huang, CEO of semiconductor giant NVIDIA I believe yesterday made this very point about the energy and storage. [https://icobench.com/news/nvidia-ceo-bitcoin-is-the-future-of-global-energy-optimization/](https://icobench.com/news/nvidia-ceo-bitcoin-is-the-future-of-global-energy-optimization/)

nassauboy9

Sadly only 1 of them. That person was Father in law. he is 70+ and said didnt want the headache of self-custody. He understands well not his keys not his coin but the fear of doing something wrong overcame him and he swiped it into couple BTC ETF/Stock types. He actually convinced me to move my RRSPs (401k) into a TFSA (tax free saving, not deferred tax). I did not know something like QBTC on Canadian exchange existed, so I cased out $$$ I had in those work type accounts as I retired and bought some QBTC. As much as everyone should self custody, there is a segment that does not want that risk,

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; XRP's funding rate on perpetual futures has turned deeply negative, signaling bearish dominance and a lack of bullish demand. Open interest in XRP futures remains stagnant, while ETF activity and XRP Ledger deposits are declining, reflecting reduced interest in the ecosystem. Despite some analysts viewing negative funding rates as potential reversal signals, XRP faces challenges from competing blockchains and limited activity on its ledger. These factors suggest low odds of sustained bullish momentum for XRP in the near term. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

Amber_Sam

Welcome aboard. We all have been where you're at right now. Read/bookmark this guide and make sure to learn along your journey. Congrats on the move, it's never too late, [despite new people thinking otherwise](https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/rskpuf/i_have_only_600_bitcoinsi_missed_the_bus/). ONLY INVEST MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE. Invest in your knowledge, learn about Bitcoin as much as you can. The Bitcoin Standard book is a must read. So is Broken Money by Lyn Alden. Also, **don't reply any DMs**, emails, private messages on other social media, promising to buy Bitcoin from them or get rich quick by investing into some website. They all are scammers. Even the hot Asian chick, he's a scammer too. **Price wise, nobody knows what the price will be tomorrow, next week or at the end of the year.** **Try "Bitcoin ONLY" strategy for at least the first 210,000 block cycle**, you'll sleep much better. Newcomers lose so much money, holding garbage tokens just because someone on YT told them to. If you don't like losing money in [failed coins](https://www.coingecko.com/research/publications/how-many-cryptocurrencies-failed), avoid. Going DCA is probably the best approach, IMHO. Once a week works best for me, but I'm getting paid weekly. If there's a 10% drop in the price since my last buy, I usually double my buy. This [DCA calculator](https://dca.bitnob.com/) might help to decide what will work best for you. In a few years, even $10 dollars a month can make a massive difference. This [DCA blog](https://er-bybitcoin.com/) is pretty interesting too and compares buying bitcoin VS stocks. Now, don't buy some fake bitcoin at a spot ETF place or similar, **get the real thing** that you can withdraw anytime you want. Register at a proper exchange and buy real Bitcoin. Any of these will do [https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin](https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin) Install (or buy - in case you're getting Bitcoin in Thousands of $) one or more of these wallets. **A few good wallet choices:** [https://blockstream.com/green/](https://blockstream.com/green/) \- Top Security Features, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://bluewallet.io](https://bluewallet.io/) \- excellent, easy to use wallet, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://www.sparrowwallet.com](https://www.sparrowwallet.com) - top desktop wallet [https://electrum.org](https://electrum.org/) \- Solid choice, Open Source and Non-Custodial, one of the oldest and most trusted Bitcoin Wallets. I prefer the desktop version but it works on mobile too. **Lightning wallets** to consider (cheaper and faster transactions, great for small amounts): [https://phoenix.acinq.co/](https://phoenix.acinq.co/) \- Phoenix - very good wallet, uses Tor for extra privacy, easy for anyone new [https://blixtwallet.github.io/](https://blixtwallet.github.io/) \- Blixt - great UI, fast and clean. The app runs a full LND node on your phone and you have the ability to easily open channels to whatever nodes you like. [https://zeusln.com/](https://zeusln.com/) Zeus - impressive wallet with many features, can even generate Nostr keys [https://breez.technology](https://breez.technology/) \- Breez - excellent POS for small business owners as well as integrated Bitrefill Note: Breez does also a hybrid liquid/LN wallet called Misty Breez - the sats being on liquid means no need for channels although the payments take a few extra seconds. You'll also can get a free customable LN address. While talking about hybrid wallets, there's also Aqua Wallet although not IMHO as good as Misty Breez. There are also custodial LN wallet but I would honestly avoid using them because you have to trust the wallet operator not to steal your money. Their only advantage is that they are incredibly easy to use, although it might cost you big one day. To keep up to date with spending wallets, visit r/TheLightningNetwork at least once a while and perhaps r/RGB in the future. **Hardware Wallets** (to store larger amounts): [Trezor](https://trezor.io/) \- Easy to use, no matter how new in Bitcoin you're. Use the Bitcoin only firmware as it's safer than a multi coin software. [ColdCard](https://coldcardwallet.com/) - air gapped, Bitcoin only, has advanced features but a new user will do fine with one of the great tutorials available. [BitBox02](https://bitbox.swiss/bitbox02/bitcoin-only/) - another great little device, opt for the more secure Bitcoin ONLY version (less coins = less code = less chance for a hidden bug or a backdoor) [Jade](https://blockstream.com/jade) - air gapped, fully open source, Bitcoin only, great features. There's a newer version called Jade Plus, it has much better camera and overall is a better, although a bit more expensive, option. You can even [build it on your own](https://github.com/Blockstream/jade/), if you feel adventurous. [Seedsigner](https://github.com/SeedSigner/seedsigner) - another DIY, fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, not for you if you're just starting up but something to consider later. [Krux wallet](https://selfcustody.github.io/krux/) - one more DIY hardware device, I love this one for many reasons. Similar to Seedsigner, it's fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, that is not for you right now if you're just starting up, but something to consider at a later stage and/or to up the security of your bitcoin. There's also Ledger, but I wouldn't recommend it as it's not fully open source, keep and already leaked customers' details, recently said they're capable of sending customers' keys out just with a firmware update, etc. **Stay away**, save yourself a headache in the future. Whatever wallet you'll decide to buy, purchase DIRECTLY from the manufacturer, no eBay, no Amazon. Make sure the device is NOT preset, and you will generate your own seed words. Write them down on any piece of paper as well as the receiving address. Now wipe the wallet and generate a new wallet. If the seed words are different from the first set, you're safe to use it. Find an option to set a passphrase and use it. This will boost the security to another level. Never store the seed words and passphrase together. Use a different medium if possible. If somebody finds both, they'll be able to steal your coin. This little device will hold the keys to your money, that's the reason why you have to be a bit more careful. Also, no worries, if it breaks, you can replace it - as long as you keep your seed words and passphrase(s) safe. Welcome to the rabbit hole and don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions anytime during your Bitcoin journey. Also, [check the sidebar](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/about) that's filled with lots of great info and if you have any questions, visit r/BitcoinBeginners or r/Bitcoin and look for the answers.

Amber_Sam

Welcome aboard. We all have been where you're at right now. Read/bookmark this guide and make sure to learn along your journey. Congrats on the move, it's never too late, [despite new people thinking otherwise](https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/rskpuf/i_have_only_600_bitcoinsi_missed_the_bus/). ONLY INVEST MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE. Invest in your knowledge, learn about Bitcoin as much as you can. The Bitcoin Standard book is a must read. So is Broken Money by Lyn Alden. Also, **don't reply any DMs**, emails, private messages on other social media, promising to buy Bitcoin from them or get rich quick by investing into some website. They all are scammers. Even the hot Asian chick, he's a scammer too. **Price wise, nobody knows what the price will be tomorrow, next week or at the end of the year.** **Try "Bitcoin ONLY" strategy for at least the first 210,000 block cycle**, you'll sleep much better. Newcomers lose so much money, holding garbage tokens just because someone on YT told them to. If you don't like losing money in [failed coins](https://www.coingecko.com/research/publications/how-many-cryptocurrencies-failed), avoid. Going DCA is probably the best approach, IMHO. Once a week works best for me, but I'm getting paid weekly. If there's a 10% drop in the price since my last buy, I usually double my buy. This [DCA calculator](https://dca.bitnob.com/) might help to decide what will work best for you. In a few years, even $10 dollars a month can make a massive difference. This [DCA blog](https://er-bybitcoin.com/) is pretty interesting too and compares buying bitcoin VS stocks. Now, don't buy some fake bitcoin at a spot ETF place or similar, **get the real thing** that you can withdraw anytime you want. Register at a proper exchange and buy real Bitcoin. Any of these will do [https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin](https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin) Install (or buy - in case you're getting Bitcoin in Thousands of $) one or more of these wallets. **A few good wallet choices:** [https://blockstream.com/green/](https://blockstream.com/green/) \- Top Security Features, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://bluewallet.io](https://bluewallet.io/) \- excellent, easy to use wallet, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://www.sparrowwallet.com](https://www.sparrowwallet.com) - top desktop wallet [https://electrum.org](https://electrum.org/) \- Solid choice, Open Source and Non-Custodial, one of the oldest and most trusted Bitcoin Wallets. I prefer the desktop version but it works on mobile too. **Lightning wallets** to consider (cheaper and faster transactions, great for small amounts): [https://phoenix.acinq.co/](https://phoenix.acinq.co/) \- Phoenix - very good wallet, uses Tor for extra privacy, easy for anyone new [https://blixtwallet.github.io/](https://blixtwallet.github.io/) \- Blixt - great UI, fast and clean. The app runs a full LND node on your phone and you have the ability to easily open channels to whatever nodes you like. [https://zeusln.com/](https://zeusln.com/) Zeus - impressive wallet with many features, can even generate Nostr keys [https://breez.technology](https://breez.technology/) \- Breez - excellent POS for small business owners as well as integrated Bitrefill Note: Breez does also a hybrid liquid/LN wallet called Misty Breez - the sats being on liquid means no need for channels although the payments take a few extra seconds. You'll also can get a free customable LN address. While talking about hybrid wallets, there's also Aqua Wallet although not IMHO as good as Misty Breez. There are also custodial LN wallet but I would honestly avoid using them because you have to trust the wallet operator not to steal your money. Their only advantage is that they are incredibly easy to use, although it might cost you big one day. To keep up to date with spending wallets, visit r/TheLightningNetwork at least once a while and perhaps r/RGB in the future. **Hardware Wallets** (to store larger amounts): [Trezor](https://trezor.io/) \- Easy to use, no matter how new in Bitcoin you're. Use the Bitcoin only firmware as it's safer than a multi coin software. [ColdCard](https://coldcardwallet.com/) - air gapped, Bitcoin only, has advanced features but a new user will do fine with one of the great tutorials available. [BitBox02](https://bitbox.swiss/bitbox02/bitcoin-only/) - another great little device, opt for the more secure Bitcoin ONLY version (less coins = less code = less chance for a hidden bug or a backdoor) [Jade](https://blockstream.com/jade) - air gapped, fully open source, Bitcoin only, great features. There's a newer version called Jade Plus, it has much better camera and overall is a better, although a bit more expensive, option. You can even [build it on your own](https://github.com/Blockstream/jade/), if you feel adventurous. [Seedsigner](https://github.com/SeedSigner/seedsigner) - another DIY, fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, not for you if you're just starting up but something to consider later. [Krux wallet](https://selfcustody.github.io/krux/) - one more DIY hardware device, I love this one for many reasons. Similar to Seedsigner, it's fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, that is not for you right now if you're just starting up, but something to consider at a later stage and/or to up the security of your bitcoin. There's also Ledger, but I wouldn't recommend it as it's not fully open source, keep and already leaked customers' details, recently said they're capable of sending customers' keys out just with a firmware update, etc. **Stay away**, save yourself a headache in the future. Whatever wallet you'll decide to buy, purchase DIRECTLY from the manufacturer, no eBay, no Amazon. Make sure the device is NOT preset, and you will generate your own seed words. Write them down on any piece of paper as well as the receiving address. Now wipe the wallet and generate a new wallet. If the seed words are different from the first set, you're safe to use it. Find an option to set a passphrase and use it. This will boost the security to another level. Never store the seed words and passphrase together. Use a different medium if possible. If somebody finds both, they'll be able to steal your coin. This little device will hold the keys to your money, that's the reason why you have to be a bit more careful. Also, no worries, if it breaks, you can replace it - as long as you keep your seed words and passphrase(s) safe. Welcome to the rabbit hole and don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions anytime during your Bitcoin journey. Also, [check the sidebar](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/about) that's filled with lots of great info and if you have any questions, visit r/BitcoinBeginners or r/Bitcoin and look for the answers.

hank194

Hmm let me see. Alts who have pumped literally x50 to x300 from 2013 to 2021 suddenly go -90% in what's supposed to be a bull run, COINCIDENTALLY just when institutions with the power to squeeze every single dollar of the market without any consequences get in. If you were Larry Fink what would stop you from pumping the ETF that you have (btc) while doing everything in your power to move people away from alts that you don't control? Why would you Not do that? No, alts are not "shit", you've been brainwashed by trillion dollar institutions.

Reddit_Throwaway_899

A company match in your 401K is the easiest 100% ROI you're gonna get. And if you want you can invest your 401K into a bitcoin ETF or MSTR.

Naive-Accountant-262

God guys, what kind of crypto investors are you ? You don’t need to research five seconds to see how the charts can change. Stop crying. It’s annoying. I thought this sub is about informations and new updates. Instead of that I see crying bs memes. When you can’t handle this, do your all world ETF. For real. It’s ok. But this „I’ve to work now in McDonald’s because I invested in crypto“ is totally ridiculous. May you get a real job before start investing anywhere eh.

KipAndrew

institutional adoption headlines. every ETF launch or bank partnership gets hyped but when you check the actual volume or usage its nothing. just marketing while they dump on retail

nomoney110

The ETF with staking option will be a game changer in the long run.

No_Investigator3369

Overthinking it. Own a coinbase account. Move funds into it. Buy Bitcoin. The same way you open a fidelity account move cash into it and buy sp500 index fund. Bitcoin has an added advantage where you can buy your own hardware wallet and send purchased Bitcoin to that wallet. Otherwise you can keep it on the exchange the same way you keep your sp500 index ETF on there. Or even the cash when you sell the stock. Coinbase and fidelity are custodians of your trading accounts which provide access to a market.

rocket_beer

ETF 👎🏾 We only care about the real BTC

Jack__1214

Dude, that “invisible ceiling” chop is killing everyone—BTC’s glued to $90-95k, Fear & Greed at 24 (extreme fear levels not seen since ‘22 crash), and alts bleeding on ETF outflows + Fed hawk vibes.   It’s punishing discipline cuz leverage is low (whales accumulating quietly), but Powell’s speech tomorrow could flip it—86% odds for a 25bp cut, which historically sparks risk-on pumps.