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piggleii

Is it true that ETH have greater ETF outflows in dollars than BTC despite having a smaller market cap?

nature_nate_17

BTCI is a ETF that pays monthly dividends on the shares you own. It’s specifically is oriented to following the price of Bitcoin.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; BlackRock's iShares Bitcoin Trust (IBIT) experienced record-setting outflows of $523 million on November 19, 2025, marking its largest daily net outflow since its launch in January 2024. The ETF has seen five consecutive days of outflows totaling $1.43 billion, coinciding with Bitcoin's price drop below $90,000 from its October high of $126,080. Analysts attribute the outflows to institutional portfolio recalibration rather than abandonment of Bitcoin, amid broader market liquidity challenges and macroeconomic uncertainties. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

Analog_AI

We had no euphoria this bull run. 43 days government shutdown, ETF investors selling after they got 50% profits (for stock holders that's stellar for 12 months), then 13,000 OGs selling massive amounts of coins from 10+ years ago in what can be termed Bitcoin's IPO moment around the psychological 100k mark, and general market uncertainty has pushed this basket under water, 6 feet deep. But, we enter monetary expansion once again with trillions injected in the market. Owning assets in this environment is crucial or inflation screws ypu up massively. The basketball is about to be thrown in the air and when the institutions and governments bought their first tranche to their fill, we will get the spike and euphoria we would have normally gotten already.

Phantomeone1111

All the whales are buying. Retail is scared. The whales got it cheap. Who lost? Blackrock bought 280 million on their own books 15h ago. Not ETF flows. What do you make of that? Don’t read X. They want you to sell an believe we’re in bear. Truth is - there is no bear and bull cycles anymore.

Phantomeone1111

All the whales are buying. Retail is scared. The whales got it cheap. Who lost? Blackrock bought 280 million on their own books 15h ago. Not ETF flows. What do you make of that?

Phantomeone1111

All the whales are buying. Retail is scared. The whales got it cheap. Who lost? Blackrock bought 280 million on their own books 15h ago. Not ETF flows. What do you make of that?

Phantomeone1111

Blackrock bought 280 million on their own books yesterday. Not ETF flows. And trust me, Blackrock will get what they want. ROI

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Head-End-5909

Black Rock’s Spot ETF: iShares IBIT. I hold it it in my Roth IRA

Scared_Good1766

Think you need to reread what I wrote. Your main point is exactly my point. I said I don’t buy into the crap that so many people spout about institutions buying personally, they’re doing it on behalf of clients. As for tax loss harvesting, what’s your point? Tax loss harvesting involves a sale at a loss, not just a purchase. Blackrock cannot legally tax loss harvest their clients’ bitcoin as they need to be held 1:1 with ETF funds. So they can only sell their bitcoin if and when their clients sell their bitcoin. Which, again, is what I said.

stickybond009

Institutions sometimes buy to show losses on their balance sheet for tax loss harvesting. And Blackrock is not scooping up any Bitcoin, an ETF is just like the broker, it buys (and sells) as and when its clients instructs them to. They don't own any, just keep temporary custody of btc or any asset while the trade is on. So while your point may be true, the reasons you ascribed are not.

VariatCA

Looking forward to seeing ETF activity today. Wouldn't be surprised to see 250M+ of inflows, with how the morning volume went around US market-open.

andys811

Ngl thought FBTC was a wrapped token of BTC not ETF so i was assuming on-chain options not actual options on a Bitcoin ETF

Impressive-Trust-382

You see etf in flows but those companies are using the futures market to bet against btc. It looks like there being bullish but the aren't:: check it Here’s how it works: Funds buy IBIT ETF shares Simultaneously short CME Bitcoin futures Capture the yield difference between the ETF and futures (the basis) Use the ETF shares as collateral for the futures short... Institution trickery, but don't be fooled by there trickery because approx 7 million in btc is lost.. 1 million left to be mined, that means 13 million is owned between us and them and they cant just gobble up btc so the use this trickery to shake people out so they can buy. Forget the etfs and all they companies like them. U don't need them. Own the btc you self so they don't sell you shares of a btc and street out shares to being 2:1 or 3:1 so they can steal.. btc was created and will be 1:1 with in its self. Break away feom the old system and don't allow them to fool you by judging the lines.. this is out chance to rise. Let's not blow our shot. If anyone else sees something share it. This helps us all.. God bless us all.

Every_Hunt_160

Isn’t ETF outflows at 2 billion ??

TheBase82

Gold and ETF’s aren’t helping either 😅

JunkBondJunkie

"Fidelity Digital Assets holds 437.2397 BTC and there are 500,000 shares in the ETF. so multiply that by current price and divide by 500k shares thats your fair market price.

Juice79man

Again Another biased post based on speculation. If you think that whales can’t manipulate this market, create fear, and get the price to dump your so wrong. First they will start with fear mongering. Second the will start the sell off. Once they get the longs liquidated the price will dump big. That’s when the fear kicks in and people with the ETF’s start to sell not wanting to get caught holding the bag. Last they will get retail to sell off which will bottom around 40k next summer. This is when I’ll be buying big. Thinking this time is different is just plain hopium with nothing to base it on. The ETF’s to me are a negative for price in both directions.

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nature_nate_17

Might I recommend BTCI ETF

Gubbie99

sorry for your money loss... you seem very exhausted and emotional. but i totally agree... why buy BTC for 126k when you can buy it much cheaper? it was 89k 1 year ago and it was 89k again today. BTC was 69k in 2021 and 69k again in 2024. if you look for something more financial and emotionally stable take a look at DAI, USDC USDT. idk why you are so angry at me. i have a feeling we very much agree. and yes there is a lot of selling going on. even in the stock market. so you win BTC lose... happy? oh wait... OP shows data that signals more people buying in. BUT ETF outflows is still very much negative. you know Schrodingers cat? Could very much be this case. (a lot of individuals buying back in at these prices and at the same time whales are still selling) BTW. you know about liquidations right? say someone sell a bit ammount of BTC causing a price drop so big it causes major liquidations. then buy back more than they initally sold.... price is now still lower than what it was before they sold. Supply and demand. at the current price BTC needs a positive inflow of $42M daily to not drop in price with its current inflation. Here is some info from [Tokenomist.ai](http://Tokenomist.ai) [](https://tokenomist.ai/bitcoin) $42.20Mper day [](https://tokenomist.ai/solana) $9.90Mper day [](https://tokenomist.ai/ethereum) $8.33Mper day [](https://tokenomist.ai/official-trump) $4.95Mper day i think you are in the wrong sub if you are not interested in discussing various aspects of the crypto markets. now i think some see BTC at 30% discount from ATH and some might just follow stock markets investment sentiment. either way. people might have different ways to invest their money.

BTCWallahFXEmpire

I ran some numbers through Glassnode's realized price by Age metric. I can say that, yeah, there’s some logic to the idea that part of the current selling could come from people who bought during the $53K to $93K run a year ago and are now hitting the long-term capital-gains window. However, the data suggest that this isn’t a major driver of the correction. The 1y–2y cohort, which includes buyers from that run, has a realized price around $62.7K, meaning they’re still heavily in profit. More importantly, their realized price line is stable—there’s no sharp drop or flattening, which would indicate large-scale selling. By contrast, the 1m–3m and 3m–6m cohorts exhibit signs of distribution, indicating that most sales are coming from newer buyers who entered closer to the top. LTCG timing may contribute at the margins, but the heavier pressure is coming from short-term holders, combined with macro risk-off sentiment and ETF outflows.

Ok_Coffee_2417

What you said was >"market is in accumulation" which is quite literally the most pointless sentence in this context. And somehow linked it to smart money. Some retail investor is not "smart money" because they own a share of ETF And then somehow linked it to good buying time without disclosing any information which would back that up. You provided absolutely no information that would explain a future rise in value.

Dull_Vast_5570

Maybe. But $100k invested in a broad market stock ETF will definitely be worth $1 million someday. BTC has a lot more IFs.

Ok_Coffee_2417

Mate, Thats what I do. I am doing my masters in finance. Lets explain it in simple terms. ETF owns 1btc. You own the only share of that ETF. You sell the share of ETF on the markets. Now what do you think that happens? A. The ETF sells that bitcoin? B. The ETF keeps the bitcoin? Thats right, the answer is B. The ETF keeps that bitcoin. Only now the owner of the ETF is different. In rare cases with this kind of assets, the ETFs may be downsized, in which case shares of that ETF are redeemed, and assets sold to cover that redemption. Provided that the fund has no money.

Ok_Coffee_2417

The institution holds it for the client. Blackrock doesnt take in any risk, their return is guaranteed from the people buying the ETF:

TrevBTC36

I agree 100% with you, friend, something is broken, retail is not there, they were replaced by banks, funds and companies that see that the fiat is collapsing and they position themselves. Sailor is a believer, but ETF and banks just because it is convenient for them to position themselves, they are going to buy everything we release. They are already doing it. Many people say that this year was the bear market. euphoria and many usual metrics that believers use do not indicate that this is going to a bear market and I already told you many OGs sold and sell and those sales are being absorbed because BTC is much more liquid now before it would have caused a bear market but now much more is needed they can sell because they are old and millionaires but the retail that sells now will regret it in any case it is better to be trapped I already contemplated the possibility but I will continue buying in sections this fall no There will be many opportunities like this and I don't plan to miss them.

Sqlizit

I think ETF’s are what killed the cycle

harvested

The reason nobody is sure why BTC is pulling back is because everyone is looking for a single cause when this is actually a systems failure with multiple transmission mechanisms reinforcing each other. Here's what actually happened mechanistically: Bitcoin ran from $40,000 to $126,000 in less than a year on a very specific narrative: Federal Reserve easing cycle plus institutional adoption through ETFs equals sustained bull market. The market built up $94 billion in futures open interest, with some platforms offering leverage ratios as high as 1,001 to 1. That setup alone created extraordinary fragility. The trigger was simple but devastating. Fed officials reversed dovish expectations completely. The market went from pricing a 90 percent probability of December rate cuts to just 40 percent. Real yields on short term Treasuries stayed elevated above 5 percent. The entire macro story that justified Bitcoin at $126,000 collapsed in a matter of weeks. Now here's where the structural vulnerability shows up. The new ETF infrastructure that everyone celebrated as bringing institutional money actually created institutional scale sell liquidity that never existed before. When the macro narrative broke, institutions could exit with one click. We saw $1.1 billion in ETF outflows in just days. This isn't retail panic selling. This is professional portfolio managers rebalancing away from an asset whose fundamental thesis just evaporated. Simultaneously, long term holders who bought Bitcoin between $40,000 and $80,000 started distributing. They offloaded 815,000 Bitcoin in 30 days. These holders aren't selling because they think Bitcoin is worthless. They're selling because they see volatility ahead and they're sitting on 50 to 150 percent profits. Smart money doesn't ride drawdowns when they can step aside and rebuy lower with the same capital. Here's where it becomes a cascade. When price broke the $100,000 support level, technical stops triggered across the entire derivatives complex. Over $20 billion in leveraged positions got liquidated throughout October and November. Some single day events saw $3.2 billion wiped out. The liquidations themselves created additional selling pressure, which triggered more stops, which forced more liquidations. Open interest collapsed from $94 billion to $68 billion, but there's probably still more leverage that needs to clear. The critical insight everyone is missing: there are no natural buyers at these price levels. Institutions are rebalancing away from risk assets. Long term holders are waiting for lower prices to rebuy. Retail got scared off by the violence of the move. And new buyers won't step in until the leverage gets fully flushed and price stabilizes. So the market has to fall far enough to accomplish three things. Clear the remaining leverage completely. Reach prices where long term holders stop distributing and start accumulating again. Find the level where actual value buyers with real capital see opportunity worth the volatility risk. The $600 billion wipeout you're seeing is mostly the evaporation of unrealized gains that were paper wealth to begin with. When Bitcoin went from $40,000 to $126,000, that represented about $1.7 trillion added to market cap. A lot of that was pure multiple expansion based on a macro narrative that turned out to be wrong. Now the market is repricing based on reality: high real yields, no Fed easing, strong dollar environment. This isn't mysterious. It's textbook deleveraging dynamics in an asset with no cash flows to anchor valuation, extreme leverage ratios, and a macro thesis that broke. A 25 percent correction after a 215 percent rally with 1,000x leverage in the system is actually normal market behavior when the fundamental story changes. The violence of the move reflects the amount of leverage that was built up, not any change in Bitcoin's long term prospects. The real question isn't why did this happen. The real question is what price level actually clears the market and brings in genuine buyers rather than leveraged speculators. That's still being discovered.

closvidal

The only difference this time is that institutions have a bigger stake now more than ever. Long term holders (retail investors) are chipping away at some profits and ETFs outflows keeping the price down. Bad earnings report on heavy tech ETF/stocks could and may put more pain on the price action. $60k to $75k is not off the table coming into end of years sell off from profit taking across the entire market. Then we have AI bubble fear tagging along.

Puzzman

At 1% isn’t it just a more complex Bitcoin ETF?

lildoggy79

I was wanting to wait til I recovered my cost basis on mine. But that is a good idea. I'll buy into an ETF though.

Fit_Yam7845

Depends on your expenses etc. I would sell 100-125 btc and put it into ETF index funds and retire with 4% yearly withdrawal (FIRE). You would be set for life. Let the rest ride.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Bitcoin dropped below $90,000 for the first time in seven months, reflecting fragile market sentiment amid ETF outflows, institutional repositioning, and global economic uncertainty. Analysts suggest a potential bottom could form soon, presenting a long-term buying opportunity. The sell-off has been driven by profit-taking, macroeconomic concerns, and liquidity issues. While further declines are possible, experts believe Bitcoin may stabilize and recover, with some predicting a new all-time high if market conditions improve. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

letsdrinktothat

An ETF launching in the middle of a market-wide dip, doesn't seem likely to pull in enough funds to counter said dip. It would need some crazy inflows for SOL to pump right now.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Bitcoin investment products saw $1.38 billion in outflows last week, marking the largest exodus since February and extending a three-week streak of negative flows. Ethereum faced even greater losses with $689 million in outflows, while Solana and XRP also experienced declines. Traders are increasingly betting on bearish trends, with short Bitcoin products attracting inflows. Broader market uncertainty, ETF outflows, and thinner liquidity are contributing factors, though some experts believe the market is stabilizing rather than entering a new downtrend. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Solana's price has dipped despite the launch of VanEck's new ETF on Nasdaq, which offers institutional investors regulated access to the Solana market. The ETF includes fee waivers, staking plans, and institutional-grade custody, aiming to attract interest during a volatile period for Solana. Analysts highlight a critical support band that could determine the token's price trajectory. The launch follows Grayscale's earlier Solana ETF, which saw strong inflows, reflecting demand for regulated exposure to Solana despite recent price corrections. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

harvested

Remember ETF flows are just calculated at net. A net outflow means more people bought than sold. There can be many ETF buyers (*smart money*) here at these levels, just not enough to create a net positive. I expect inflows to turn around when liquidity picks up again.

nahnah222

BlackRock is selling their ETF investors crypto. Check MicroStrategy, Saylor bought 835 million worth of Bitcoin in the last 6 days. If he’s holding, I’m holding too.

uncooked545

exactly - normies who got into Blackrock ETF are learning for the first time how to feel about bitcoin cycle... there will be tears, and then they will become HODLers

No_Shower_1702

Average is $45k so I am fine with Bitcoin. What sucks is my stock and ETF I am in red right now. If Nvidia fucks market on Wednesday, it will be wholesome crash.

Son_of_Sephiroth

Bruh I’ve been in BTC longer than any Institution, ETF, Treasury, Country, or Michael Fucking Saylor - don’t talk to me about panic selling lol everyone is a paper handed noob as far as I’m concerned.

Creepy-Ball-9787

Would someone tell me the advantage of holding bitcoin versus just investing in the IBIT ETF. Going IBIT, you don't need to deal with crypto brokerages, wallets..etc.

PyssDribbletts

I would too. I've got open BTC ETF puts that are printing and im using the money made to buy more BTC. The faster it drops, the more I can get!

Ok-Act-705

Man I’ve been saying this since blackrock launched their ETF. There are too many strong willed people in this space that they want to shake out of their spot positions before these asshats full send it. Until that time everyone will be in a panic and those same people will come right back when things start heating up.

JsCole424

So you think Bitcoin is a scam when it has a larger market capitalization than silver? When the ETF launch was the #1 performing ETF launch the world has ever seen before? When the Bitcoin network is the only solution for transferring energy into currency and stabilizing electrical grids? 🤦🏻‍♂️

Ukrann

The sad truth is, most of us would have been much better off with an S&P500 ETF

blingblingmofo

Well, to be fair, this is more like an ETF structure for the holders, not the network itself. And “decentralized” refers to how no single authority validates or controls the blockchain. It’s about consensus, not the concentration of who owns the asset.

tomsmac

What you, and a great many others, very obviously don’t understand is that he’s just recently been approved for his new Bitcoin ETF where he’s just completed buying $3 billion worth of bitcoin. Then you have the Trump offspring and their new “American Bitcoin” mining and treasury company with billions in bitcoin already accumulated. He doesn’t give a shit about anyone else but It’s astonishing that you underestimate his ability to serve his own purpose by pumping it with the power he has.

tomsmac

How do people not understand that he is in a position to make a few crazy announcements and seriously pump BTC. If you think that after buying billions of dollars in bitcoin with his newly approved ETF he’s not going to do something outrageous you’re not paying attention.

tomsmac

Do you think that I don’t know that??? But he ALSO has purchased billions in Bitcoin with his newly approved ETF and then there’s Eric’s Mining treasury. If you can’t see that he’ll manipulate the market to his advantage you’re not paying attention.

pcm2a

If you bought the BTC ETF around it's release in 2024 the price was $44k! Hindsight is always 20/20.

mystcalone624

I cashed out a large amount as you should at the top of the run. Worst case it tanks and I buy back during crypto winter and double my coins. Best case we see the sift market until about March and go into another run. Agree with the take on corporations and ETF,'s but this was never what crypto was about in the first place. Where I disagree is the dollar is softer than baby shit. The markets are in a spiral and people always look for alternatives when they can't trust the dollar.

namieorange

OG whales are selling. Been selling since early this year but it definitely intensified in the last few days, huge ammounts, also record outflow from ETF.

namieorange

There's plenty of business that have been loading BTC and $ ETH this year Just a couple of days ago Luxemburg and Czech Republic announced they added BTC to their reserves. Everyday you see more and more institutions adding, while ofc OG whales are selling heavy. Same a ETF but I asume that's retail exiting. Could be just a DCA, but why DCA at this point if .... all of us are sure the cycle is over and we're going to a 70% correction

blingblingmofo

If someone buys a lot of Gold ETF is it a Ponzi scheme too?

JsCole424

“I missed out on the best performing asset and ETF launch of an asset the world has ever seen, so because I missed out on it I’m going to make fun of it when it corrects to make my ego feel better” 🤡🤡

Opposite-Car2809

I learnt my life lesson this year that greedy can kill one's mental health, I was thinking ETF gain too slow only 15% on average and I encounter crypto and see ETH can do 400% a year then I went all in. I fuckin regret I did this, Im now on the verge of deeply depression, if I listened to myself this woudnt happen at all and my mood wont affected by the market like hell, like whenever Im dating my girl, then all my excitement and joyfulness dissapears whenever I opened the charts and ETH drops another 5%, and my girl would be angry cuz she think Im being mad at her for no reason. FCKKK! If i invested in QQQ, I would happily date my gf and knowing my money is riding safetly

SwimOld5053

Glad it helped. Most people only look at the 4 year cycle part (which seems to play out also), which is fair, but this is the first cycle where we also have heavy institutional exposure, ETF flow mechanics and corporate balance sheets tied to BTC. If a downturn hits, the selling won’t just come from retail panic. It will come from structured flows, risk models and collateral pressure. That’s the part most people haven’t factored into the cycle yet.

No_South_9912

ETF holders are gonna wait until tomorrow to buy. I suspect crypto will bounce back while the stock market is closed.

paperplan556

Wow. I never thought about this in this perspective. I was anticipating the drop due to 4 yr cycle but dump driven by institution and ETF is an interesting outlook.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; BlackRock's Bitcoin ETF, IBIT, experienced a record single-day withdrawal of $463.1 million on November 14, amid a broader trend of heavy outflows from crypto exchange-traded products (ETPs). Global outflows reached $2 billion last week, driven by macroeconomic uncertainty and market downturns. Bitcoin and Ethereum ETPs saw significant declines, with assets under management dropping 27% since October. Analysts attribute the outflows to market conditions and expect ETF flows to remain tied to macroeconomic factors and policy decisions. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

AlphaRed

Dude runs the Granny Moonshot ETF.

SwimOld5053

Stocks don’t have collateral based unwind risk like BTC does. ETF redemptions, MSTR leverage and corporate treasury exposure create forced selling that stocks simply don’t have. Yes, institutions don’t need to sell everything. They only need to sell enough to trigger cascades, and crypto reacts way harder to those moves.

clintstorres

I mean there are a lot of people who are bullish on bitcoin but bearish on MSTR even if it doesn’t explode because MSTR has additional costs that owning bitcoin or even an ETF do not. Let’s say that the drag on MSTR compared to btc is 1% to account for paying the companies employees and other costs. Over time that 1% adds up very quickly and BTC and MSTR will diverge in value further and further every single year.

Real-Craft-1984

You don’t think retail are panicking hence the $1b ETF outflows last week ?

ImperialPotentate

I'd love to see sub-$80K by January 1st, so that when I contribute to my TFSA (Canadian Roth IRA) for 2026 I can add to my ETF in there. I think it was around that price when I bought, and I was hesitant to add at higher levels (which turned out to be the correct call.)

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AlphaRed

You trust a guy who runs an ETF called Granny Shots?

Amber_Sam

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Newcomers lose so much money, holding garbage tokens just because someone on YT told them to. If you don't like losing money in [failed coins](https://www.coingecko.com/research/publications/how-many-cryptocurrencies-failed), avoid. Going DCA is probably the best approach, IMHO. Once a week works best for me, but I'm getting paid weekly. If there's a 10% drop in the price since my last buy, I usually double my buy. This [DCA calculator](https://dca.bitnob.com/) might help to decide what will work best for you. In a few years, even $10 dollars a month can make a massive difference. This [DCA blog](https://er-bybitcoin.com/) is pretty interesting too and compares buying bitcoin VS stocks. Now, don't buy some fake bitcoin at a spot ETF place or similar, **get the real thing** that you can withdraw anytime you want. Register at a proper exchange and buy real Bitcoin. Any of these will do [https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin](https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin) Install (or buy - in case you're getting Bitcoin in Thousands of $) one or more of these wallets. **A few good wallet choices:** [https://blockstream.com/green/](https://blockstream.com/green/) \- Top Security Features, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://bluewallet.io](https://bluewallet.io/) \- excellent, easy to use wallet, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://www.sparrowwallet.com](https://www.sparrowwallet.com) - top desktop wallet [https://electrum.org](https://electrum.org/) \- Solid choice, Open Source and Non-Custodial, one of the oldest and most trusted Bitcoin Wallets. I prefer the desktop version but it works on mobile too. **Lightning wallets** to consider (cheaper and faster transactions, great for small amounts): [https://phoenix.acinq.co/](https://phoenix.acinq.co/) \- Phoenix - very good wallet, uses Tor for extra privacy, easy for anyone new [https://blixtwallet.github.io/](https://blixtwallet.github.io/) \- Blixt - great UI, fast and clean. The app runs a full LND node on your phone and you have the ability to easily open channels to whatever nodes you like. [https://zeusln.com/](https://zeusln.com/) Zeus - impressive wallet with many features, can even generate Nostr keys [https://breez.technology](https://breez.technology/) \- Breez - excellent POS for small business owners as well as integrated Bitrefill Note: Breez does also a hybrid liquid/LN wallet called Misty Breez - the sats being on liquid means no need for channels although the payments take a few extra seconds. You'll also can get a free customable LN address. While talking about hybrid wallets, there's also Aqua Wallet although not IMHO as good as Misty Breez. There are also custodial LN wallet but I would honestly avoid using them because you have to trust the wallet operator not to steal your money. Their only advantage is that they are incredibly easy to use, although it might cost you big one day. To keep up to date with spending wallets, visit r/TheLightningNetwork at least once a while and perhaps r/RGB in the future. **Hardware Wallets** (to store larger amounts): [Trezor](https://trezor.io/) \- Easy to use, no matter how new in Bitcoin you're. Use the Bitcoin only firmware as it's safer than a multi coin software. [ColdCard](https://coldcardwallet.com/) - air gapped, Bitcoin only, has advanced features but a new user will do fine with one of the great tutorials available. [BitBox02](https://bitbox.swiss/bitbox02/bitcoin-only/) - another great little device, opt for the more secure Bitcoin ONLY version (less coins = less code = less chance for a hidden bug or a backdoor) [Jade](https://blockstream.com/jade) - air gapped, fully open source, Bitcoin only, great features. There's a newer version called Jade Plus, it has much better camera and overall is a better, although a bit more expensive, option. You can even [build it on your own](https://github.com/Blockstream/jade/), if you feel adventurous. [Seedsigner](https://github.com/SeedSigner/seedsigner) - another DIY, fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, not for you if you're just starting up but something to consider later. [Krux wallet](https://selfcustody.github.io/krux/) - one more DIY hardware device, I love this one for many reasons. Similar to Seedsigner, it's fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, that is not for you right now if you're just starting up, but something to consider at a later stage and/or to up the security of your bitcoin. There's also Ledger, but I wouldn't recommend it as it's not fully open source, keep and already leaked customers' details, recently said they're capable of sending customers' keys out just with a firmware update, etc. **Stay away**, save yourself a headache in the future. Whatever wallet you'll decide to buy, purchase DIRECTLY from the manufacturer, no eBay, no Amazon. Make sure the device is NOT preset, and you will generate your own seed words. Write them down on any piece of paper as well as the receiving address. Now wipe the wallet and generate a new wallet. If the seed words are different from the first set, you're safe to use it. Find an option to set a passphrase and use it. This will boost the security to another level. Never store the seed words and passphrase together. Use a different medium if possible. If somebody finds both, they'll be able to steal your coin. This little device will hold the keys to your money, that's the reason why you have to be a bit more careful. Also, no worries, if it breaks, you can replace it - as long as you keep your seed words and passphrase(s) safe. Welcome to the rabbit hole and don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions anytime during your Bitcoin journey. Also, [check the sidebar](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/about) that's filled with lots of great info and if you have any questions, visit r/BitcoinBeginners or r/Bitcoin and look for the answers.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Bitcoin, Ethereum, and XRP have collectively lost $1.1 trillion in market value since Bitcoin peaked at $126,000. The decline is attributed to structural leverage unwinds, mechanical selling, and ETF-driven outflows rather than fundamental issues. Heavy institutional outflows and cascading liquidations due to extreme leverage have exacerbated the downturn. Sentiment has plummeted, with the Crypto Fear & Greed Index at 'Extreme Fear.' Despite the collapse, the core value thesis of crypto remains strong, suggesting a potential cyclical bottom ahead. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

RosieDear

The ETF didn't go down as much as the coin - weird (Fidelity)

PirateSKB

>But it's an independent beast Pretty sure Bitcoin hasn't been that independent in years. Lots of institutions bought into Bitcoin and pumped the price. If you're thinking of an independent Bitcoin, maybe the last rally that was "independent" might have been 2017, but even that had ETF expectations built-in iirc

External-Apricot-654

Just look at trend, Americans sell, ETF outflows

Real-Craft-1984

Really interested in the ETF data this week - we'll know at 16:00 ET what the flows looked like ...

Real-Craft-1984

I think there is something about the fact in large part the ETF buys/sells will be retail - so it gives you a cleaner view of retail sentiment. ie. ETFs dumping $1b of BTC last week screams panicky retail customers not used to the volatility. Definitely agree on ignoring 4 year cycles - it's all about liquidity and macro conditions - completely agree with you.

UpostedDude

My question remain and the last 24 hours esp today really begs the question. Who is selling. Is it market maker bots, ETF junkies or bots hunting stop losses. A drop of about 2000 in about an hour. Yeah I know it’s not a lot but the volume was significant. There has to be a buyer and a seller sure, but what is driving this volatility. Really curious. I’m just a plankton sheltering under a rock not selling. Just like to know

KPS-UK77

Really only you can decide as it depends on your long term goals. If I had 0.1 btc (I guess around $9k) personally I'd cash in now, move to a ETF for the next year or so to see where BTC goes. If it follows the same cycle pattern it's done previously it should reach a low sometime late 2026 to 2027, I'd consider putting some back into around 2027. Note - Historical data is NOT a guarantee for future data Previous apx highs/lows Late 2013/Early 2015 Late 2017/Early 2019 Late 2021/Early 2023 Late 2025/????

Glittering-Health889

the polymarket angle is interesting but ETF approval doesn't really change the fundamental utility problem OP mentioned

ChorizoGuillado

Cashed out 50%. Waiting for the real dip to reinvest. Otherwise, my MSCI World ETF will get a nice Financial boost.

Amber_Sam

Welcome aboard. We all have been where you're at right now. Read/bookmark this guide and make sure to learn along your journey. Congrats on the move, it's never too late, [despite new people thinking otherwise](https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/rskpuf/i_have_only_600_bitcoinsi_missed_the_bus/). ONLY INVEST MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE. Invest in your knowledge, learn about Bitcoin as much as you can. The Bitcoin Standard book is a must read. So is Broken Money by Lyn Alden. Also, **don't reply any DMs**, emails, private messages on other social media, promising to buy Bitcoin from them or get rich quick by investing into some website. They all are scammers. Even the hot Asian chick, he's a scammer too. **Price wise, nobody knows what the price will be tomorrow, next week or at the end of the year.** **Try "Bitcoin ONLY" strategy for at least the first 210,000 block cycle**, you'll sleep much better. Newcomers lose so much money, holding garbage tokens just because someone on YT told them to. If you don't like losing money in [failed coins](https://www.coingecko.com/research/publications/how-many-cryptocurrencies-failed), avoid. Going DCA is probably the best approach, IMHO. Once a week works best for me, but I'm getting paid weekly. If there's a 10% drop in the price since my last buy, I usually double my buy. This [DCA calculator](https://dca.bitnob.com/) might help to decide what will work best for you. In a few years, even $10 dollars a month can make a massive difference. This [DCA blog](https://er-bybitcoin.com/) is pretty interesting too and compares buying bitcoin VS stocks. Now, don't buy some fake bitcoin at a spot ETF place or similar, **get the real thing** that you can withdraw anytime you want. Register at a proper exchange and buy real Bitcoin. Any of these will do [https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin](https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin) Install (or buy - in case you're getting Bitcoin in Thousands of $) one or more of these wallets. **A few good wallet choices:** [https://blockstream.com/green/](https://blockstream.com/green/) \- Top Security Features, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://bluewallet.io](https://bluewallet.io/) \- excellent, easy to use wallet, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://www.sparrowwallet.com](https://www.sparrowwallet.com) - top desktop wallet [https://electrum.org](https://electrum.org/) \- Solid choice, Open Source and Non-Custodial, one of the oldest and most trusted Bitcoin Wallets. I prefer the desktop version but it works on mobile too. **Lightning wallets** to consider (cheaper and faster transactions, great for small amounts): [https://phoenix.acinq.co/](https://phoenix.acinq.co/) \- Phoenix - very good wallet, uses Tor for extra privacy, easy for anyone new [https://blixtwallet.github.io/](https://blixtwallet.github.io/) \- Blixt - great UI, fast and clean. The app runs a full LND node on your phone and you have the ability to easily open channels to whatever nodes you like. [https://zeusln.com/](https://zeusln.com/) Zeus - impressive wallet with many features, can even generate Nostr keys [https://breez.technology](https://breez.technology/) \- Breez - excellent POS for small business owners as well as integrated Bitrefill Note: Breez does also a hybrid liquid/LN wallet called Misty Breez - the sats being on liquid means no need for channels although the payments take a few extra seconds. You'll also can get a free customable LN address. While talking about hybrid wallets, there's also Aqua Wallet although not IMHO as good as Misty Breez. There are also custodial LN wallet but I would honestly avoid using them because you have to trust the wallet operator not to steal your money. Their only advantage is that they are incredibly easy to use, although it might cost you big one day. To keep up to date with spending wallets, visit r/TheLightningNetwork at least once a while and perhaps r/RGB in the future. **Hardware Wallets** (to store larger amounts): [Trezor](https://trezor.io/) \- Easy to use, no matter how new in Bitcoin you're. Use the Bitcoin only firmware as it's safer than a multi coin software. [ColdCard](https://coldcardwallet.com/) - air gapped, Bitcoin only, has advanced features but a new user will do fine with one of the great tutorials available. [BitBox02](https://bitbox.swiss/bitbox02/bitcoin-only/) - another great little device, opt for the more secure Bitcoin ONLY version (less coins = less code = less chance for a hidden bug or a backdoor) [Jade](https://blockstream.com/jade) - air gapped, fully open source, Bitcoin only, great features. There's a newer version called Jade Plus, it has much better camera and overall is a better, although a bit more expensive, option. You can even [build it on your own](https://github.com/Blockstream/jade/), if you feel adventurous. [Seedsigner](https://github.com/SeedSigner/seedsigner) - another DIY, fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, not for you if you're just starting up but something to consider later. [Krux wallet](https://selfcustody.github.io/krux/) - one more DIY hardware device, I love this one for many reasons. Similar to Seedsigner, it's fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, that is not for you right now if you're just starting up, but something to consider at a later stage and/or to up the security of your bitcoin. There's also Ledger, but I wouldn't recommend it as it's not fully open source, keep and already leaked customers' details, recently said they're capable of sending customers' keys out just with a firmware update, etc. **Stay away**, save yourself a headache in the future. Whatever wallet you'll decide to buy, purchase DIRECTLY from the manufacturer, no eBay, no Amazon. Make sure the device is NOT preset, and you will generate your own seed words. Write them down on any piece of paper as well as the receiving address. Now wipe the wallet and generate a new wallet. If the seed words are different from the first set, you're safe to use it. Find an option to set a passphrase and use it. This will boost the security to another level. Never store the seed words and passphrase together. Use a different medium if possible. If somebody finds both, they'll be able to steal your coin. This little device will hold the keys to your money, that's the reason why you have to be a bit more careful. Also, no worries, if it breaks, you can replace it - as long as you keep your seed words and passphrase(s) safe. Welcome to the rabbit hole and don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions anytime during your Bitcoin journey. Also, [check the sidebar](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/about) that's filled with lots of great info and if you have any questions, visit r/BitcoinBeginners or r/Bitcoin and look for the answers.

bleakplaza99

Whether banks adopt that is different question. You're not wrong about speculation driving price but dismissing all utility is too far, polymarket probably has markets on XRP ETF approval which would show what informed money thinks about legitimacy

instant_king

Why do you feel fatigued from having BTC, but not feel fatigue from having SP500 ETF shares? To me it is the same. It is a chunk of my future retirement, and it doesn't matter the current situation, as long as I don't need the money, I'm not selling.

Onlyhereforprawns

Which, based on the ETF flows, is [happening](https://www.coinglass.com/bitcoin-etf).

crypto_poli

I'll suggest you look at the top 5 crypto by marketcap. Especially, Solana ... The token has a solid ecosystem with lots of projects building on it. Institutions are also in... Solana has a steady ETF inflows of the 3rd week in a row.

Sufficient-Season639

Yes, IBIT itself is a passive spot ETF that only holds Bitcoin and cannot be used as a prop trading vehicle. But that limitation applies **only to the trust**, not to BlackRock’s other funds, such as the Asset Managers with SMAs, and our model portfolios. BlackRock can legally buy or sell IBIT in any portfolio where IBIT fits the mandate, and those positions are disclosed publicly through our 13F filings; which I literally helped oversee for a bit. The 13F filing is public too and you can search it up. We have IBIT on there since we are required to disclose the holdings if our purchase is above a threshold. The trust being separate is an accounting and regulatory requirement, not a trading prohibition. What is **prohibited** is insider trading. Our department did not possess MNPI about IBIT. We used our own analysts to help us make decisions on rebalancing our portfolios, so our rebalancing was legal. I’m not telling people “don’t worry” to push people into buying more BTC. I’m saying it because I genuinely want the people to maximize their long-term wealth. BTC will be volatile and it will drop, That's why I only hold IBIT in my IRA and 401k. I’ve learned more about bitcoin and its relations to, finance, economics, and the regulatory side from the people I know and work with than most people ever get access to. There’s a reason so many of our directors and partners personally hold a massive amount of BTC. It works and will be fine, even with the "threat" of quantum, computing, lol. If someone treats BTC as a get-rich-quick-play, they’re missing the point.

Vasjh

This guy gets it. We want freedom, but protect us from ourselves. SEC please regulate, ETF please I can't write down my own seedphrase...

word-dragon

Well, they are a publicly traded company, so they have reporting requirements for assets. I guess they could lie, but most companies don’t - the cost of being found out is high from a PR standpoint. Not sure what you mean by “traditional accounting measures”. They have presumably a bunch of an accounts on the blockchain, and can easily add up the coin in each. They don’t need a huge accounting department for that - 1 guy with a computer and 2 other guys to check his work and keep him honest, and 6 managers to write up reports and watch over the operation. Your interest in their assets is very indirect - when you buy into an ETF , you get a line in their spreadsheet saying how much they think they are holding on your behalf. So you have a good reason to want to insure that they have 100% of the coin they claim. With MSTR, there is no suggestion that you own a slice of their coin. You have about as much business looking into their bitcoin level as into their video conferencing costs.

SeventhEyrie

I do $100 a month and try to keep a 60/40 BTC/ETF. I don’t expect to get rich from it, but I do hope it will provide me with a nice cushion to help me smooth out overall market downturns once I’m retired. It’s another bucket so to speak. If it goes up 20% over 10 years I’d still be ahead. If it goes up higher, bonus!

word-dragon

MSTR is not an ETF. You don’t own any of his coin. He provides investment products which are fueled by bitcoin. If you buy his stock, you are betting on those products making money. Basically, you are buying Michael Saylor and his strategy, not bitcoin. That’s not necessarily a bad thing. It’s just not investing in bitcoin.

TopAlert2383

No, not for altcoins. We won't have them all go parabolic, but the big names haven't made new all time highs yet. Coins like Solana, HBAR, Cardano and Link will run much higher and it will happen quick so don't hold waiting for more gains. We had something similar to this in 2017. The altcoins like ADA and XRP didnt run up until December and topped mid January. They keep talking about an extended cycle, but we started early with the ETF, so we could be done in the next 90 days and that would stay in-line with the 4 year cycle. But with FED rate cuts, QE, and a new FED Chair in the next 6 months we could have a huge first 2-3 quarters in 2026. Either way we're not done yet.

VariatCA

If markets open near where overnight-futures are at, and can stay relatively stable, we may see the start of a nice recovery *and* some positive ETF inflows for a change. All eyes will be on NVDA this Wednesday though, as the world awaits their market-afterhours earnings report. That will set the stage for consumer/investor confidence.

2CommaNoob

The numbers disapprove your theory. In flows into BTC has been a constant postive since they were released. There has been more inflows than out flows and the ETF AUM keeps on growing so they aren't selling. The ones who are selling are the old whales who go in early and are finally cashing out and traders with leverage.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Nine XRP ETFs are set to launch between November 18 and November 25, marking a significant phase of institutional adoption for XRP. Franklin Templeton will lead the rollout on November 18 with its EZRP ETF, followed by Bitwise, 21Shares, CoinShares, Grayscale, and WisdomTree. The staggered launches aim to sustain investor interest and media coverage. Analysts expect combined daily trading volumes to reach $150-$200 million, with XRP prices potentially fluctuating between $2.30 and $2.60 during this period. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

bojacked

I was wondering if the ETF btc products are sapping the highs

CompetitiveAppeal663

Blackrock gives a shit in the sense that they buy and hold BTC on behalf of their customers just as said they would. They don’t give a shit if BTC goes up or down bc they make money either way through their fees. Customers buy the ETF knowing that they make make money and they may lose money.

Makunouchiipp0

You might want to check the ETF inflows. It’s spot Bitcoin holders selling.

BlackHole1997

Same for me. I will spend 90k, so I will wait until it's cheap. Should be October/November 2026. Until then it's in my ETF Fond.

brd111

It may be true that ETF‘s stabilize the price only because some of the ETF buyers aren’t active trading in and out of that asset. But Black rock is just a pass-through. When their customers buy the ETF Blackrock buys more bitcoin. And when their customers sell the ETF Block rock sells more bitcoin. I don’t understand it when people act like black rock is buying these assets in large scale for themselves.