ETF

WholeButterscotch125

Bitcoin is still a speculative and very volatile asset. Gains are not guaranteed. However, Bitcoin was thought to be nothing worthwhile. Yet the largest asset manager (Blackrock) now has a big reserve. The state of Texas even invested in their IBIT ETF. So yes, Blackrock having a reserve along with Fidelity and the American government is a pretty significant push for crypto adoption. How can this not be a positive sign for Bitcoin? Now there is a business aspect for Bitcoin, meaning, the largest institutions are generating profit from Bitcoin exciting. Do you not think they’d want it to succeed?

CriticalCobraz

**Summary:** Trump Media & Technology Group recently purchased 451 Bitcoin for approximately $40.3 million, increasing its total holdings to 11,542 BTC valued at over $1 billion. This acquisition is part of the company's broader crypto treasury strategy, which includes plans for a Truth Social Bitcoin and Ethereum ETF with Crypto.com as custodian. Key Points: * The company previously reported around $2 billion in Bitcoin and digital assets earlier in 2025 * Trump Media stock ($DJT) surged \~42% last week following an all-stock merger announcement with TAE Technologies, valuing the combined entity at over $6 billion * The merger shifts the company's focus toward fusion energy to power AI operations * The company is majority-owned by the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust and led by CEO Devin Nunes

shoota28

OP: “We have spot ETF speculation heating up” Commenter above is 100% correct, XRP spot ETFs already and are in action.

VariatCA

ETF's have still been doing about $3-5 Billion in buy/sell volume every day since November's low. That's conservatively ~$75B in trading volume, and even with the rough past two weeks of overall outflows it's been less than a net-1% sell majority. There are still a ton of buyers soaking up this range, even as some ETF holders and buyers have fled before the New Year. We wouldn't have been range-bound to this price otherwise if things weren't equalizing between buyers & sellers.

La_Cohiba

As soon as BTC went mainstream with ETF's, it was done. Sold it at 110k and very happy. When my mom started to buy BTC at 70...sure sign of demise. Liquidated on the boomers. At least they have their over priced real estate still

Donut_LordO

All your money into Bitcoin? I’d never suggest that no matter how much $ you are talking about. Diversify to reduce risk. Learn about investing into Roth IRA’s, if you get a job always do the company match 401k contributions, and research the different ETF’s you could invest in based on your risk tolerance. Still can invest into Bitcoin but never more than 50% of your overall investments.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Bitcoin reached a new all-time high of $126,198 in October 2025 but failed to sustain momentum, dropping to $86,784 by year-end. Predictions of $200K to $250K from experts like Arthur Hayes, Robert Kiyosaki, and Tom Lee fell short due to factors like limited ETF inflows, macroeconomic uncertainty, and sell-offs. Despite increased institutional interest and adoption, Bitcoin's performance highlighted the gap between optimistic forecasts and market realities, emphasizing the challenges of predicting straight-line growth. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

devCheckingIn

ETF outflows have been unrelenting the past two weeks.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Bitcoin is undergoing a valuation reset, transitioning from deep undervaluation toward equilibrium, which analysts view as a bullish setup for future growth. Indicators like the NVT Golden Cross suggest Bitcoin's price is beginning to realign with transaction-driven fundamentals. Despite ongoing regulatory challenges and concerns about quantum computing risks, analysts predict potential price targets of $125,000 if key levels hold. Near-term price action is influenced by U.S. CPI data, Bitcoin ETF flows, and institutional activity. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

tantaluszxc

Some ETF are backed by real assets of gold and silver The best is still to invest in mines

rgnet1

Simplest answer: you're buying bitcoin on an exchange and thinking, "I'll just hold it and money go up." That's not why bitcoin started, and it's not what bitcoin is to many people. In 2009, there were no exchanges, there was just the bitcoin network. Value transfer peer-to-peer. That's bitcoin. Nowadays, you can buy an ETF which is you owning a share in a fund that buys bitcoin for you. It doesn't even really do that, it has some weird incentivized market mechanism of arbitrage to keep the index fund price "closely tracked" to bitcoin price on a chosen clump of crypto exchanges. Bitcoin's value to the world goes up only when more people believe in its principles and try to \*\*spend\*\* bitcoin when they can. i.e. You don't "sell for profit", you spend it when you want to buy something and find someone who will accept it directly. Will most see through the noise and the bank's/government's interest in turning it into just another asset to be held and custodied by them? You decide. If you think it's just another asset, then I advise you get out. You won't like its volatility.

VariatCA

While some of this downturn has to do with shaken confidence from ETF's that resulted in a few billion in outflows from mid-October to November 20th, a large part is also due to the sheer volume of open-interest liquidity that has left Crypto in the last 2-3 months. Nearly 40% of the aggragate open interest (long/short leverage positions, perps, and whatnot) has left since October 6th... in no small part of that was the nearly *$20 Billion* that was wiped out on October 10th's liquidation fiasco. The last time we had OI so low was around early May of this year, and that's when BTC was still in the 95-105k range and working on a new all-time high. Those conditions you've stated though, are exactly why I was buying in this 80-90k range with some of the profits taken back around 120k+. We're *not* in the sort of economic/monetary setup that can keep BTC down for long, unless the stock market flushes with us.

Daily-Trader-247

How about this ETF STKd 100% Bitcoin & 100% Gold ETF (BTGD) up 39% this year !

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; BlackRock’s iShares Bitcoin Trust and Ethereum Trust transferred $270 million worth of Bitcoin (2,019 BTC) and Ethereum (29,928 ETH) to Coinbase Prime for custody and settlement. The move coincided with Bitcoin reaching $90,166, sparking speculation about selling pressure, though analysts clarified such transfers are routine for ETF operations and do not confirm market sales. BlackRock's Bitcoin ETF has seen $25 billion in net inflows in 2025 despite recent outflows, and the transfers are part of standard ETF creation and redemption processes. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

50EAGLE

ETF is priced in, also remember Approval odds ≠ timing Bumped odds ≠ actionable signal This would add more volatility potential not any direction certainty. Also what’s Bollinger bands got to do with anything haha. Same indicator doesn’t mean the same outcome, this is survivorship bias. Other than that, what you provide is a decent trade journal that may or may not work , who knows.

Engineertoptrading

Great breakdown. I hadn't considered the low liquidity factor combined with once-a-day settlement for ETFs. It definitely explains why we see these weird gaps sometimes. If ETF options aren't the main driver, do you feel like the current consolidation around $94k is just the market naturally finding its 'fair' price for now?

Editor-Forward

Probably makes no sense to buy a DAT.... If mNAV is 1:1, you get $1 BTC for every dollar you invest..but you run the risk of dilution, company selling its BTC to pay bills, company core business failure, and on and on....just buy BTC in an ETF for the same 1:1, with no risks.

VariatCA

There's still been a *ton* of trading volume this past month since the November 20th low. For all the ETF clients/institutions offloading in this range, there has been approximately an equal amount of buyers soaking up this range. ETF flow for both Bitcoin and Ether has been almost net-flat for the past month. The longer the consolidation range remains stable while stock markets grind up, monetary conditions (QE, rate cuts, M2 Supply, etc) improve and crypto exposure widens, eventually the sellers at this range will be exhausted. You'll only be left with buyers that are not interested in capitulating at the price-range they were confident buying into.

jzen93

Didn't it already have an ETF? I really don't see XRP doing anything else this cycle, it had its run already

HSuke

Checks XRP price ... near multi-week low. ETF inflow is a drop in the bucket compared to how much XRP Ripple cancsell each month.

VariatCA

Wow, imagine that, metal-miners and price-tracking ETF's increase in price when the underlying metals go up first. Who would have guessed? That has clearly never happened to Crypto-mining / DAT's / ETF values when Bitcoin or Eth was going up.

get_MEAN_yall

I think 99.9% of the price action is normal supply and demand. The derivatives of course can have an effect, but they act on an ETF that only settles in real btc once per day, which causes such a huge lag, combined with the fairly low liquidity, i think its not realistic to gain a large enough position to effectively influence spot price with ETF options. The futures market certainly could influence spot price. I though about putting a bit in my post about futures and their maximum possible net impact on spot but I wanted the post to be concise.

VariatCA

Same here lol. The metrics show an ungodly amount of open-interest that would be liquidated just on the climb to 96k at this point (About as much as would be on a drop to ~79k). But Crypto's in a weird spot when it comes to that, as there's only about 60% as much O.I. in the market as there was back in early October. It will take either a **huge** injection of fresh Long-positions or an actual steady buying pressure, like going back to consecutive days of +250M to +1Billion ETF inflows.

2alphastyle

You can buy or sell a contract for bit coin you don’t have. You can also buy shares of an ETF. You can buy and sell contracts on those shares. The market is much more dynamic than what your post implies. You can, absolutely, be forced to sell or buy bitcoin at whatever price a broker dictates, if you screw up your options contracts. If you have a lot of bitcoin or cash, and the volume of trading is low enough, you can drive the price up or down. And, there are a lot of reasons to do so. Now days it’s not enough to know all about bitcoin. Bitcoin is now in the stock market and bank accounts of corporations and you have to layer all of the plays and dimensions that adds.

yldf

Sigh: before you even consider self-custody for your Bitcoin... what's your backup strategy? how do you ensure you don't lose access to your wallet if that device is broken? Is it redundant? Is it safe? Who would have access to those backups? When you can answer these questions properly... proceed with looking for a device. Otherwise: stick to an ETF.

biba8163

> smart money are buying Smart Money is SHILLING. Tom Lee was appointed as chairman to BMNR for marketing reasons. He is a PAID SHILLER who got compensated 226,722 shares of BMNR. There is a proposal to give Tom Lee 4.5 Million more shares based on the criteria below. For instance, Tom Lee would get 1,000,000 shares (about $30 Million at today's price) when BMNR gets 5% of ETH whether ETH is $1K or $5K. And if BMNR stock hits $250K, Tom Lee would get about $250 Million. | Performance Criteria | Hurdle | Shares | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | Share of ETH | 4% | 500,000 | Share of ETH | 5% | 1,000,000 | BMNR Stock Price | $125 | 500,000 | BMNR Stock Price | $250 | 1,000,000 | BMNR Marketcap | $25 Billion | 500,000 | BMNR Marketcap | $50 Billion | 1,000.000 https://www.bamsec.com/filing/149315225026868?cik=1829311 If Tom Lee genuinely considers ETH the **"Biggest Macro Trade of the Next Decade"** then: - Why was he not screaming this in 2024 or before July 2025 when he was marketed as the chairman of BMNR? - Why has he not allocated a percentage to ETH in his OWN ETF, Fundstrat's flagship ETF? - Why is Tom Lee allocating to BTC in his very own ETF portfolio through MSTR and not have ANY exposure to ETH? - Why does he not even understand the basics of Ethereum and call it a fork of Bitcoin? https://grannyshots.com/holdings/ **No, Tom Lee suddenly started shilling the hell out of ETH since June 2025 because he was appointed Chairman of BMNR and is getting handsomely compensated to SHILL SHILL SHILL.**

thebaldmaniac

Houses may be difficult, but nothing stopping you from taking your crypto money and putting it in Silver and Gold. My silver ETF investment has done very well this year.

Competitive-Bend5730

Right now liquidity is still cautious. You can actually see that reflected on polymarket, odds on things like ETF inflows, fed cuts, or crypto friendly policy aren’t screaming risk on yet. Until probabilities start shifting, this feels more like positioning than a true retail revival

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Striking_Object_6049

Buy ETF, stay away from crypto if you don’t want anxiety issues

Niceguy955

Or you might be wrong, and posting the same question again when Bitcoin is at $50k. Most people can't stand to risk life savings on volatile assets. The most volatility they can stomach is an S&P500 ETF.

1corn

Good advice, completely reasonable. But you could also put the "safe half" into a world ETF. Selling that takes 2 minutes if you need money and even in the most catastrophic case it won't go down to zero in the meantime. Long-term, you can expect a yearly return of 4-7%. Also: DCA is good, but at the current price you could also lump-sum in and be done with it.

VariatCA

It's definitely been some of both since October. There's been a crazy amount of open-interest wrecking havoc on BTC's price throughout the year though, highlighted near every all-time high peak with longs flooding in to pump up to the new high, and *immediately* a flood of shorts to drown it back out. Since October, Crypto got hammered with short-pressure alongside heavy liquidations, in no small part from Binance's technical collapse on October 10th. Then the stock market faltered at the end of October and just added fuel to the fire. From late-October through November 20th we saw a multi-billion dollar exodus of ETF outflows (which have relatively stabilized to a net-zero flow at this point since then), and "regular" Retail traders getting spooked from the whole mess as well. I think since November 20th though, there are definitely institutional entities trying very hard to not relinquish the sentiment in an attempt to drive things further south. Though it will be hard if general economic market-sentiment continues to grind upwards.

RetiredAvocado

If you don't want a lot of risk go with a low risk mutual fund or ETF. People who got in early and 100x'd or even 10x'd their investment took on high risk. Same result is very very unlikely to repeat again from this point forward in the short term. Bitcoin isn't going to $800K or $8M anytime soon. Nobody is watching you from above. If someone is - may they strike me dead. So as I was saying, the best thing for you to do is.. oww my chest.. sharp pain.. breathing.. evrthing getn drk..

silentapexresearch

Price is still holding but the tape feels tired. ETF flows look more like internal rotation than fresh risk-on capital, and derivatives aren’t pressing yet. Feels like the market is waiting for a liquidity trigger rather than reacting to headlines. Anyone else seeing the same hesitation today?

silentapexresearch

Feels like price action today is more about capital rotation than fresh demand. ETF flows are noisy but conviction still looks thin. Anyone else watching flows over price right now?

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Bitcoin's 2025 supercycle narrative has faltered, with on-chain data revealing a 'demand vacuum' that threatens to push prices down to $65,000-$75,000. Analysts attribute the bear season to structural shortfalls in demand, ETF outflows, and reduced retail participation. The halving event's impact is questioned, with experts suggesting Bitcoin's cycles are driven by demand growth rather than supply-side dynamics. Recovery requires stabilizing ETF flows, increasing demand, improving funding rates, and reclaiming price structure above the 365-day moving average. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

djihadmechekef

I’m leaning cautiously bullish, but I think patience is key here. Holding above $90K is constructive, yet the $90K–$95K zone is heavy with supply and psychology. A short-term pullback or consolidation wouldn’t surprise me and might actually strengthen the next move. If ETF inflows stay consistent, I see dips as opportunities rather than trend reversals. Curious how others are positioning around this range.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Silver and gold have reached new all-time highs amid a metal bull market fueled by a weakening U.S. dollar and easing Federal Reserve policies. Silver surged over 3% to $69 per ounce, while gold rose 2% to $4,401 per ounce. Analysts predict Bitcoin may benefit from capital rotation from metals to crypto, with institutional adoption and ETF inflows supporting its growth. Bitcoin is consolidating below $90k but may rally in 2026 as it retests key support levels. The weakening dollar and quantitative easing are expected to sustain bullish trends in metals and crypto. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

No_South_9912

What advantage does an exchange have over an ETF?

VariatCA

Many businesses and financial-funds happen to open around that same time and begin conducting business. ETF's transact large settlement orders from the day/evening prior all at once in the mornings (and some do a secondary round near market-closing hours). That high volume can also lead to large price spikes/dips depending on the ratio of selling/buying at that time, driving liquidations or enticing long/short positions to open up during all of that which will only accelerate price volatility.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Bitcoin may face a significant decline to $50,000 before the market fully bottoms, according to TradingShot's analysis of historical bear-market patterns. Indicators suggest the market is in its early contraction phase, with declining volatility and smaller percentage drawdowns across cycles. The projected bottom is between $38K and $50K, with $50K being the likely minimum target. Factors like ETF inflows or corporate adoption could limit downside, but further weakness is expected without these catalysts. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

VariatCA

It's the same big group of rich whales & institutions investing in stocks/equities and commodities as it is investing in cryptos like BTC/ETH. There's no underlying metaphysical, astrological trigger that will cause a -70% collapse simply because it's been "about 4 years" while economic conditions are greenlighting a surge in liquidity. There has been a short-term (quarterly) divergence in volatility, especially with the liquidations-fiasco of October 10th and a rough stretch of ETF outflows from Oct->Nov, but the stock market was itself struggling since late-October as well. While interest rates are settling lower, "QE" is kicking in, and stocks are still steadily on the rise all while crypto exposure and adoption is ramping up... those same investors aren't going to abandon Bitcoin or Eth while things are still ramping up.

Roland_Gropper

Thoughts on global ETFs over S&P500? I hold both but do you think it's worth concentrating so much on the US (Global ETF already has around 60% weighting towards US anyway). For context I'm 22 so you never know who will be the top market in the future.

DiverAccomplished843

Had a similar moment during the ETF hype. Charts were flat, but flows were wild because attention moved first. I saw Tyr attention-weighted liquidity model mentioned somewhere and it clicked maybe sentiment needs rules, not just dashboards

Enough-Subject-5903

Had a similar moment during the ETF hype. Charts were flat, but flows were wild because attention moved first. I saw Tyr attention-weighted liquidity model mentioned somewhere and it clicked maybe sentiment needs rules, not just dashboards

Live_Jazz

I was also curious, so AI to the rescue: “The trend appears to have been sparked by Nic Carter, who shared his appreciation for tungsten cubes on Twitter, initially just expressing amusement at the incredible density of the metal. His posts resonated with Bitcoin Twitter during a period when the community was anticipating Bitcoin futures ETF launches. The phenomenon led to a 3x to 6x surge in sales of small tungsten cubes at Midwest Tungsten Service, an industrial supplier that had been selling the cubes as novelties since 2015.” [me again] So basically a Twitter fad, pure and simple.

Wanderlust-Bow

You’re right to question it — the spot ETF isn’t directly part of the Hegota upgrade itself, but it *is* relevant to market context: protocol upgrades that improve scalability, fees, and state growth tend to strengthen the long-term investment case, which is exactly what institutions look at when allocating capital via spot ETFs, so it’s more about demand and narrative impact than the technical change itself.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Charles Hoskinson claims the launch of the TRUMP token before President Trump's inauguration disrupted bipartisan support for the CLARITY Act, turning crypto regulation into a partisan issue. The token's association with Trump led to ethics concerns and legislative challenges, including canceled hearings. Hoskinson also links the token to a Bitcoin-only market trend, though data suggests structural factors like ETF demand and regulatory clarity drove Bitcoin dominance. The TRUMP token highlighted conflicts of interest but did not solely cause the legislative or market shifts. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

Amber_Sam

Welcome aboard. We all have been where you're at right now. Read/bookmark this guide and make sure to learn along your journey. Congrats on the move, it's never too late, [despite new people thinking otherwise](https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/rskpuf/i_have_only_600_bitcoinsi_missed_the_bus/). ONLY INVEST MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE. Invest in your knowledge, learn about Bitcoin as much as you can. The Bitcoin Standard book is a must read. So is Broken Money by Lyn Alden. Also, **don't reply any DMs**, emails, private messages on other social media, promising to buy Bitcoin from them or get rich quick by investing into some website. They all are scammers. Even the hot Asian chick, he's a scammer too. **Price wise, nobody knows what the price will be tomorrow, next week or at the end of the year.** **Try "Bitcoin ONLY" strategy for at least the first 210,000 block cycle**, you'll sleep much better. Newcomers lose so much money, holding garbage tokens just because someone on YT told them to. If you don't like losing money in [failed coins](https://www.coingecko.com/research/publications/how-many-cryptocurrencies-failed), avoid. Going DCA is probably the best approach, IMHO. Once a week works best for me, but I'm getting paid weekly. If there's a 10% drop in the price since my last buy, I usually double my buy. This [DCA calculator](https://dca.bitnob.com/) might help to decide what will work best for you. In a few years, even $10 dollars a month can make a massive difference. This [DCA blog](https://er-bybitcoin.com/) is pretty interesting too and compares buying bitcoin VS stocks. Now, don't buy some fake bitcoin at a spot ETF place or similar, **get the real thing** that you can withdraw anytime you want. Register at a proper exchange and buy real Bitcoin. Any of these will do [https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin](https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin) Install (or buy - in case you're getting Bitcoin in Thousands of $) one or more of these wallets. **A few good wallet choices:** [https://blockstream.com/green/](https://blockstream.com/green/) \- Top Security Features, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://bluewallet.io](https://bluewallet.io/) \- excellent, easy to use wallet, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://www.sparrowwallet.com](https://www.sparrowwallet.com) - top desktop wallet [https://electrum.org](https://electrum.org/) \- Solid choice, Open Source and Non-Custodial, one of the oldest and most trusted Bitcoin Wallets. I prefer the desktop version but it works on mobile too. **Lightning wallets** to consider (cheaper and faster transactions, great for small amounts): [https://phoenix.acinq.co/](https://phoenix.acinq.co/) \- Phoenix - very good wallet, uses Tor for extra privacy, easy for anyone new [https://blixtwallet.github.io/](https://blixtwallet.github.io/) \- Blixt - great UI, fast and clean. The app runs a full LND node on your phone and you have the ability to easily open channels to whatever nodes you like. [https://zeusln.com/](https://zeusln.com/) Zeus - impressive wallet with many features, can even generate Nostr keys [https://breez.technology](https://breez.technology/) \- Breez - excellent POS for small business owners as well as integrated Bitrefill Note: Breez does also a hybrid liquid/LN wallet called Misty Breez - the sats being on liquid means no need for channels although the payments take a few extra seconds. You'll also can get a free customable LN address. While talking about hybrid wallets, there's also Aqua Wallet although not IMHO as good as Misty Breez. There are also custodial LN wallet but I would honestly avoid using them because you have to trust the wallet operator not to steal your money. Their only advantage is that they are incredibly easy to use, although it might cost you big one day. To keep up to date with spending wallets, visit r/TheLightningNetwork at least once a while and perhaps r/RGB in the future. **Hardware Wallets** (to store larger amounts): [Trezor](https://trezor.io/) \- Easy to use, no matter how new in Bitcoin you're. Use the Bitcoin only firmware as it's safer than a multi coin software. [ColdCard](https://coldcardwallet.com/) - air gapped, Bitcoin only, has advanced features but a new user will do fine with one of the great tutorials available. [BitBox02](https://bitbox.swiss/bitbox02/bitcoin-only/) - another great little device, opt for the more secure Bitcoin ONLY version (less coins = less code = less chance for a hidden bug or a backdoor) [Jade](https://blockstream.com/jade) - air gapped, fully open source, Bitcoin only, great features. There's a newer version called Jade Plus, it has much better camera and overall is a better, although a bit more expensive, option. You can even [build it on your own](https://github.com/Blockstream/jade/), if you feel adventurous. [Seedsigner](https://github.com/SeedSigner/seedsigner) - another DIY, fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, not for you if you're just starting up but something to consider later. [Krux wallet](https://selfcustody.github.io/krux/) - one more DIY hardware device, I love this one for many reasons. Similar to Seedsigner, it's fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, that is not for you right now if you're just starting up, but something to consider at a later stage and/or to up the security of your bitcoin. There's also Ledger, but I wouldn't recommend it as it's not fully open source, keep and already leaked customers' details, recently said they're capable of sending customers' keys out just with a firmware update, etc. **Stay away**, save yourself a headache in the future. Whatever wallet you'll decide to buy, purchase DIRECTLY from the manufacturer, no eBay, no Amazon. Make sure the device is NOT preset, and you will generate your own seed words. Write them down on any piece of paper as well as the receiving address. Now wipe the wallet and generate a new wallet. If the seed words are different from the first set, you're safe to use it. Find an option to set a passphrase and use it. This will boost the security to another level. Never store the seed words and passphrase together. Use a different medium if possible. If somebody finds both, they'll be able to steal your coin. This little device will hold the keys to your money, that's the reason why you have to be a bit more careful. Also, no worries, if it breaks, you can replace it - as long as you keep your seed words and passphrase(s) safe. Welcome to the rabbit hole and don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions anytime during your Bitcoin journey. Also, [check the sidebar](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/about) that's filled with lots of great info and if you have any questions, visit r/BitcoinBeginners or r/Bitcoin and look for the answers.

wh977oqej9

Ahm, SP500 accumulating ETF went up \~412% in 2012-2022, so your math is wrong from begining. That's 15% CAGR. Yes, still much over official inflation (which is wrong), and also more than M2 money supply rise.

CoffeeAlternative647

Literally no one with at least 2 brain cells buys the ETF for sovereignty.

PinotGroucho

Because it is the silent killer of reliable metrics. Yes if you'd invested in an S&P basket back in the day, in a Berkshire Hathaway, or in a modern ETF or HF you'd come out OK after a sufficient amount of time. But at any one time when your stocks go up, when do you take profit ? Are you actually cashing in on actual value creation or are you , in this part of the cycle, simply being "compensated" for the loss of buying power of your currency ? How can you possibly tell ? Gold is no standard, but a backstop. It doesn't help you with gauging prices, unless you're on a century long timeline and the asset you're measuring is property. Bitcoin has the opportunity to be that International System of Units (SI) metre or kilogram for the monetary system, allowing for standard measurement and analysis or prices in fiat. give it a few years and we'll know exactly how much off this guy is, but I don't think he is completely wrong.

laxxle

80% in dividend paying ETF, 10% crypto, 10% physical gold.

No_Following2682

CD ? People still buy those? I would deff not lock my money up in that. Immediately in stock ETF or high paying money market account till I figure out long term solution.

No_Following2682

I would immediately get it making money in an ETF VOO QQQ or put it in a high interest money market while I take my time deciding exactly what I would like to do with it while not under pressure. This will help you think more clearly and be more strategic while not under pressure. I would not buy anything (house, car, or any fancy flashy high end garbage) if I had a mortgage I would not pay it off. If I had high interest credit card debt I would pay off immediately. I would absolutely not pay cash for any high ticket item car or house.

JayPolar91

5% in BTC and physical gold 20% into rental properties and 50% into dividend paying ETF's and the other 20% would go to buying a house and whatever else I need.

Possible-Magazine23

slightly off topic - consider ETF

VariatCA

I remember posting a couple comments last week just reciting some on-exchange / ETF flow data, and how it showed an increasing trend of inflows alongside documented heavy-short pressure that was combating price movements. I got two different responses / PM's saying I was being a "toxicly-positive fanatic" and that I need to face the reality that ItS AlL OvEr. Yeah the majority of this sub are in the dredges of hopelessness at this point, and many show up here advocating short-positions and cheering for even the slightest dip.

silentapexresearch

Options expiry + ETF rotation feels like the real volatility source, not sentiment. Anyone track IV alongside flows?

silentapexresearch

BTC holding ~$88K even as ETF flows whipsaw this week — feels like rotation more than new capital. Anyone else watching flows more than price today?

JasperNights

Absolutely right. Anyone who thinks BTC movement is determined by one indicator or one piece of news misunderstands the complexity of the market. Bitcoin moves under the influence of a complex mix of factors: Macro Factors: Fed decisions, interest rates, inflation, and liquidity injections/withdrawals. Market Structure: Institutional flows (Inflows/Outflows), Liquidity, and Volume. On-Chain Data: Whale movements, and the supply held by Long-Term Holders. Regulatory Landscape: ETF news and new legislation. The crucial question is: What are the top three indicators (a mix of macro and micro factors) traders should focus on right now to avoid fixating on a single data point?

NastyMomma69

Google is a great company and stock. Keep for the next 5 to 10 years or longer. Try to build your Bitcoin Position to equal your stocks. So, 50% Google and 50% BTC. Then stack equally from there. After Google is $5K then accumulate a second $5K into an index ETF like VTI or VOO. But keep it equal to BTC. $150 to BTC and $150 to Stock/ETF. Never stop buying BTC. 0.01% is a lie. Need more than that. Soon you will have $50K stock/ETF and $50K BTC. But a cold wallet to transfer your BTC. Start with a small transfer because if you mess up you may lose your BTC.

MRNarbey

If you are going to invest in BTC. Stay away from ETF. Just buy and store in your decentralized wallet. No government can touch it. Simple.

Romanizer

And MSTR has a lot of different shareholders, so you would have to break that down. It's technically like a leveraged ETF.

KiwiJah

You do know the ETF funds literally buy bitcoin from the spot market at a 1:1 for every dollar invested right? You can't leverage it into some dodgy Defi product. But it's real bitcoin, held in real wallets. If it makes for an easy onramp for new investors then it's a good thing. Bitcoin purists are funny people.

Radiant_Ad_9

Until the elite are fully exposed and held accountable the money will ALWAYS be manipulated....should have never offered ETF's for their greedy, ugly asses🤷‍♂️

paperlevel

Yes, President Trump and his family backing it was a big part, I didn't mention that because I knew it would trigger people, but the regulatory path was uncertain before Trump. Also the bad actors such as FTX SBF, Terra Luna, Bitconnect, and BTC clones like BCH, there was just too much uncertainty. When BlackRock launched the ETF I knew the tide was changing. I also like Michael Saylor, he explains it very well, even if he is "too bullish" I agree with most of his sentiment.

pythosynthesis

Please make sure you educate yourself on self custody. It's no different than stocks if you buy an ETF. Or gold ETF, which seems closer to you. Take "physical" possession of the coins, much like you would of gold and silver.

Acceptable_Main_5911

Yeah I started DCAing into a silver ETF SLV only for diversity and it’s nearly my biggest winner for the year. I don’t want to talk about MSTR or BTC yet.

Orbital_IV

Wait ETF? Well then you don't actually "own the asset forever" like you said... you seem like the perfect candidate to self custody with your silver and gold stacking background. Don't be scared to self custody, be excited...you become your own bank! BTC is a bearer asset. Not your keys not your coin.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; CryptoQuant reports that the Bitcoin market has entered a bear phase due to a significant slowdown in demand growth. Spot demand has fallen below trend since October 2025, following three major demand waves since 2023. The firm predicts intermediate support around $70,000 within 3-6 months and notes that bear market bottoms historically align with the realized price, currently near $56,000. Factors like reduced ETF holdings and weakening address growth contribute to the bearish outlook, with Bitcoin trading at $87,800 at the time of the report. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

No_South_9912

+1 ETF in an IRA, so no taxes.

paperlevel

No, I'm buying the ETF. I don't understand the self-custody aspects and undoubtedly I would mess it up and lose all my money.

UltraAware

I’m no genius and haven’t made huge money, but if either one of them has a quantum computer/major hack situation, the old rich ETF money is outta there immediately. These people don’t care about the tech, they care about risk and gains.

Impressive_Pilot8415

This is typical cycle apart from it being front run by ETF’s.. & BS Trump hype memes etc, the main difference this cycle is there are too many useless tokens & tradfi are not going to allocate to anything other than the majors. BTC low was ~16k in Nov 22 & ~126k Oct 25.. seems pretty normal.

griswaldwaldwald

This is the first recorded instance of a sub-3-year-old ETF printing top-10 flows while posting negative returns. Gold ETFs never did this. Commodity ETFs never did this. Even the hottest thematic plays of the 2020s bled when the tape turned against them. IBIT just absorbed $25.4 billion during a drawdown year while GLD, running the hottest precious metals tape since 1979, couldn’t keep pace despite a 64% rip. You’re not watching retail FOMO. You are watching pension consultants and RIA model portfolios quietly sizing into a 1 to 2 percent structural allocation that doesn’t get yanked on a quarterly rebalance. That’s the “HODL clinic” you identified, and it has a name on the institutional side: benchmark inclusion behavior before the benchmark officially includes it. Here’s the math that should terrify every gold bug and excite every BTC bull. IBIT did $37.4 billion in 2024 on a face-ripping rally. It just did $25.4 billion on a down year. That’s 68% flow retention during negative performance, which destroys every reference class we have for alternative asset ETFs. GLD in 2013 lost 28% and saw $25 billion in redemptions. IBIT loses 10% and adds $25 billion. If this flow elasticity holds and BTC prints a 40% year in 2026, you’re looking at $60 to $80 billion in inflows and a straight shot past $150 billion AUM. BlackRock isn’t building an ETF. They’re building the fourth pillar of the 60/40 portfolio, and this chart is the first hard proof that the institutional bid won’t flinch when the tape gets ugly.

Longjumping-Board996

ETF's and Institutions ruined the whole market. The only so called safe thing is BTC. I don't even trust ETH even a bit.

coinegg

Yeah sure, physical gold.. lol no ETF is gonna save u when SHTF

stereo44

I would use both. Bitcoin is not a retirement investment vehicle. Meaning it’s not tax advantaged. I’d use 401k or a Roth ira if you’re able to, and invest in 50 bitcoin ETF and the rest index funds. If you have cash left over go all in on BITCOIN ONLY. Keep buying and forget it, every thousand dollars or so take it out of any exchange and put it in cold storage and repeat. This keeps you extremely diverse while favoring heavily into bitcoin, and taking advantage of tax advantaged accounts.

CherryRoutine9397

Putting most or even all of your investable money into a broad ETF like VOO, SPY, or VT is a very reasonable approach, especially if you don’t want to actively manage things. The biggest pros are simplicity, diversification, and discipline. You get instant exposure to hundreds or thousands of companies, very low fees, and you remove the temptation to constantly trade or overthink decisions. For most people, that alone leads to better long term results. The main “con” is volatility. In a bad year, a broad equity ETF can drop 30% or more, and you have to be comfortable doing nothing during those periods. As long as you don’t need the money short term and can stay invested, that risk is usually worth it. If this money is truly long term and you already have an emergency fund, putting it into a broad ETF and leaving it alone is often better than letting it sit in cash or low yielding savings. The real key isn’t picking the perfect ETF. It’s choosing a simple strategy you can stick with through both good and bad markets.

biba8163

**The Age of Shitcoins is Over** > If BTC hits $100K AND Trump gets elected AND Gary Gensler gets fired AND the FED does a few rate cuts AND the stock market does well AND my Alt gets an ETF, then my Alt will surely moon! - $100K BTC, $110K BTC, $120K BTC! - Pro-Crypto Scammer President! - Gary Gensler fired! - FED cuts rates 3 times! - Stock market up 15% YTD! - ETH gets an ETF! ETH still -35% from 2021 high - XRP gets an ETF! XRP still -50% from 2018 ATH - LINK gets an ETF! LINK still -35% from 2020 high - LTC gets an ETF! LTC still -80% from 2021 ATH - HBAR gets an ETF! HBAR still -80% from 2021 ATH **The Alt Marketcap is Shrinking** The total Alt marketcap: - down -40% from 2021 - never reached 2021 levels throughout the bullrun - went up 5.4X from 2017 to 2021. Now it can't even reach levels from 4 years ago. | | Dec. 2017 | Nov. 2021 | Dec. 2025 |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:|:------------:| | BTC | $0.32T | $1.23T | $1.76T | Total Alt | $0.282T | $1.52T | $0.90T | Stablecoin | $0.001T | $0.11T | $0.32T | Total Crypto| $0.603T | $2.86T | $2.98T

Yogabriel-yoga-69

Kaufe keine Bitcoin. Letzte Woche sind 11 Milliarden Dollar aus ETF abgeflossen. Ist das der Anfang? Der US-Senat hat allerdings gerade erst den als kryptofreundlich geltenden Michael Selig als neuen Chef der Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) bestätigt, der als Leiter dieser Aufsichtsbehörde für den Derivate- und Rohstoffhandel auch für den Bitcoin zuständig ist. Als Mitglied der Crypto Task Force der SEC hat er mehrfach ins selbe Horn gestoßen wie US-Präsident Donald Trump und verkündet, er wolle die USA zum weltweiten Zentrum von Kryptowährungen machen.

butch3rinno

For me, Bitcoin seems to have broken some support levels. The psychological 100k $, the trendline of the last 2 weekly dips, which acted like a support but now looks like a resistance, ETF outflows, users selling at a loss etc. I am not saying that the 125k $ top from October is a cycle peak and we are entering a bear market, but at the moment I would not buy again, not until I see a clear trend reversal on daily/weekly based on the above mentioned aspects

Informal-Ad220

You said, "But buying the ETF comes with a much lower energy cost..." I'm saying, that is not true. Whether you buy some BTC for self custody, or buy the same amount in a BTC ETF, there is no difference in the energy cost to mine that coin provided the ETF is a 1:1 ratio.

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GaryPotter_

Obvious scam shitcoins up top with their cme regulated futures markets and ETF’s. Ugh! Haven’t they seen what the devs at bonk are doing? Future of finance

silentapexresearch

ETF sponsors (Fidelity/BlackRock) and market flow portals publish cumulative data daily, which I aggregate into a small private log. It helps see rotation beyond simple price action. If you’re curious about the breakdown from today’s flows, send me a DM and I’ll share what I see.

rocket_beer

Exactly! Thank you OP u/Service-Pack And another thing that I believe goes hand-in-hand with your post are ETFs Like bro, that’s fiat… You aren’t invested in SATs if you only have an ETF.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; BlackRock's iShares Bitcoin Trust (IBIT) ranked sixth in 2025 ETF net inflows, attracting $25 billion despite negative annual returns. This performance, compared to other ETFs with positive returns, is seen as a strong indicator of long-term investor confidence. Analyst Eric Balchunas highlighted the potential for greater inflows in favorable market conditions. Despite some outflows in November, BlackRock executives emphasized the ETF's role as a major revenue driver and its resilience in managing capital allocation and cash flow. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

Severe-Masterpiece61

You have no idea how bitcoin works. Their is no "support" on bitcoin, it's a decentralised asset. You will be scammed in no time at this rate and then you will be among those dudes crying on social media "it's a scam 😭 stay away from it 😢" You should just buy the ETF, or not buy it at all, until you decide to learn how it actually works

Renowned_Molecule

Completely ignoring Wall Street’s XRP Spot ETF inflows. 30+ days straight of iNfLoWs.

YantsyUnwound

Place the majority in ETF and self custody a small % and run a full node. We need to keep the chain up by participating in the network.

silentapexresearch

If institutional rotation is real, BTC price should reflect 'capital allocation', not retail buzz. What’s the largest ETF doing today — inflow or outflow?

silentapexresearch

Bitcoin hovering in a range while ETF flows pulse in and out. Is this more a liquidity sequencing signal than a breakout attempt?

Informal-Ad220

You can't claim to own any portion of a mined BTC without also claiming to share the proportionate proof of work costs attributed to mining that coin. What you just said is ETF BTC are rehypothecated BTC. In other words, the bank has paid for one BTC, but has sold X times the value of that one BTC, proportional or not, far exceeding the cost to the bank of that single BTC.

Illustrious_Ease2902

So how to invest bitcoin it is so expensive for a share, or just buy ETF as starting?

Informal-Ad220

Please explain how that is even possible. If one BTC ETF is supposed to be backed by one BTC on the blockchain, how can you claim your ETF BTC has a lower energy cost? In fact, I could claim your ETF has more energy costs due to ongoing record keeping and verification. To suggest otherwise means your ETF is not backed by the BTC blockchain, but instead, a promise.

anon-187101

>Bitcoin in an ETF is real bitcoin no, it objectively isn't  >and not under your mattress no one does this

Street_Outside_7228

He has to push the “crypto winter doesn’t exist” narrative because his friends benefit from selling “ETF” higher with the MStgy stock