ETF

Squeiner

You can buy $44.60 worth of bitcoin without needing any stupid ETF dumbass. Or $1 or $100 or $694.20 or whatever amount you want. Your reasoning for why someone might buy the ETF is retarded. If this is the reason you bought an ETF instead of bitcoin you're a moron. And you do pay fees to the fund manager dumbass, tell me which ETF you bought and I'll tell you how much you're paying 

Playful_Judge_9942

I don't see any reason to own IBIT over just holding BTC unless it's in a retirement account. If you want a BTC ETF that does something different than BTC I like BTCI because it pays monthly dividends.

Coininator

If you by mistake would convert all your BTC to USD… would you rebuy 100% of them? Probably not I guess. If your BTC stack is your main source of your wealth, then it’s time to de-risk. You might just take out 4% of the current stack you have, yearly for the next 25 years? Or twice per year 2% of your starting stack. As others said: DCA out, or I‘d add, if it’s a very significant part of your wealth, it’s probably wise to derisk and put most of it into a cheap mutual fund/ETF.

TheresNoSecondBest

I believe that's an ETF, aka paper bitcoin

Turbulent-Land-5664

I too am worried about this BTC tech its kind of getting old with all the new changes in AI. The adoption curve is hard - people still dont know how to do it unless its an ETF or a proxy.

Leynnox

Yes until your country decides to ban crypto ETF or whatever, sleep well

DiamondHandsDarrell

The squeeze didn’t just come out of nowhere. Treasury moved to increase long bond buybacks, long yields eased, the dollar weakened, and BTC already had a couple days of ETF inflows behind it. That gave Bitcoin the initial push through the resistance area everyone had been shorting against. Once BTC broke through that level, the shorts started getting liquidated. When a short gets liquidated, the position has to buy BTC back, so that forced buying pushes the price higher, which liquidates more shorts, which creates even more buying. That’s how you end up with roughly $1.4B in shorts getting wiped out in a few hours and BTC basically going straight up. So the short squeeze was the accelerator, not necessarily the original cause. Now the important part is whether actual spot and ETF buyers keep buying after all that forced short covering fuel is gone.

OkProject2361

I get it. I’m 34 and I’m not round tripping my entire stack again. I’ll sell enough during the next bull run for a good home down payment. I also have the ETF in my Roth and my HSA. I’ll be trimming gains there during the next bull too. I’ll always have a minimum exposure of 0.5 BTC though.

Cartier1847

Too many whales involved that got in at $60k so $40k is wishful thinking. If that were the case, we would have seen those values in May already when the ETF slaughterhouse opened its doors.

Potatotornado20

Put half your bag into BTC today. Then put rest of it on 11/20/26. Sell everything on 8/16/28 and rotate it all into a 2x long BTC ETF. Sell everything on 8/16/29. Or for maximum degeneracy, follow above steps but replace BTC with 40% ETH, 40% SOL, 20% DOGE. Do not rotate into any 2x ETFs, just hodl until selling everything on 8/16/29.

Mysterious-Shame5144

Every past cycle had different macro conditions (rate environment, ETF flows, leverage, regulatory backdrop), and this cycle has its own. "Historically it happened this way" is a real observation; "so it must happen again" is the speculative leap. Treat it as one plausible scenario among several, not as something "cycles" guarantee.

Coinnachrichtenworld

Watching the ETF inflows this week — the structural accumulation narrative keeps strengthening. The interesting part is that retail still seems skeptical while institutions quietly front-run. Historically that divergence resolves in favor of the institutions, but it takes months to play out.

riscten

The anxiety of self custody is real. The anxiety of storing bitcoin on a CEX or through an ETF is worse.

Fynca

Exactly. The real test starts after the shorts are flushed out. If spot demand and ETF flows can keep BTC holding the new range without another liquidation wave, then the breakout starts looking a lot more convincing.

enologyiscrucial

Of course it's mean that my ETF falls down to the dirt.

TheresNoSecondBest

Still a good time to plant a tree? Congrats on the move, it's never too late, [despite new people thinking otherwise](https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/rskpuf/i_have_only_600_bitcoinsi_missed_the_bus/). ONLY INVEST MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE. Invest in your knowledge, learn about Bitcoin as much as you can. The Bitcoin Standard book is a must read. So is Broken Money by Lyn Alden. Also, **don't reply any DMs**, emails, private messages on other social media, promising to buy Bitcoin from them or get rich quick by investing into some website. They all are scammers. Even the hot Asian chick, he's a scammer too. **Price wise, nobody knows what the price will be tomorrow, next week or at the end of the year.** **Try "Bitcoin ONLY" strategy for at least the first 210,000 block cycle**, you'll sleep much better. Newcomers lose so much money, holding tokens just because someone on YT told them to. If you don't like losing money in [failed coins](https://www.coingecko.com/research/publications/how-many-cryptocurrencies-failed), avoid. DCA is probably the best approach. Once a week works best for me, but I'm getting paid weekly. This [DCA calculator](https://21vox.com/dca-calculator) might help to decide what will work best for you. In a few years, even $10 dollars a month can make a massive difference. This [DCA blog](https://er-bybitcoin.com/) is pretty interesting too and compares buying bitcoin VS stocks. Now, don't buy some fake bitcoin at a spot ETF place or similar, **get the real thing** that you can withdraw anytime you want. Register at a proper exchange and buy real Bitcoin. Any of these will do [https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin](https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin) Install (or buy - in case you're getting Bitcoin in Thousands of $) one or more of these wallets. **Good wallet choices:** [https://blockstream.com/app/](https://blockstream.com/app/) \- Top Security Features, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://bluewallet.io](https://bluewallet.io/) \- excellent, easy to use wallet, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://www.sparrowwallet.com](https://www.sparrowwallet.com) - top desktop wallet [https://electrum.org](https://electrum.org/) \- Solid choice, Open Source and Non-Custodial, one of the oldest and most trusted Bitcoin Wallets. I prefer the desktop version but it works on mobile too. **Lightning wallets** to consider (cheaper and faster transactions, great for small amounts): [https://phoenix.acinq.co/](https://phoenix.acinq.co/) \- Phoenix - very good wallet, uses Tor for extra privacy, easy for anyone new [https://blixtwallet.github.io/](https://blixtwallet.github.io/) \- Blixt - great UI, fast and clean. The app runs a full LND node on your phone and you have the ability to easily open channels to whatever nodes you like. [https://zeusln.com/](https://zeusln.com/) Zeus - impressive wallet with many features, can even generate Nostr keys [https://breez.technology](https://breez.technology/) \- Breez - excellent POS for small business owners as well as integrated Bitrefill Note: Breez does also a hybrid liquid/LN wallet called Misty Breez - the sats being on liquid means no need for channels although the payments take a few extra seconds. You'll also can get a free customable LN address. While talking about hybrid wallets, there's also Aqua Wallet although not IMHO as good as Misty Breez. There are also custodial LN wallet but I would honestly avoid using them because you have to trust the wallet operator not to steal your money. Their only advantage is that they are incredibly easy to use, although it might cost you big one day. To keep up to date with spending wallets, visit r/TheLightningNetwork at least once a while and perhaps r/RGB in the future. **Hardware Wallets** (to store larger amounts): [Trezor](https://trezor.io/) \- Easy to use, no matter how new in Bitcoin you're. If you can afford it, opt for Safe 7 (**air-gapped**) and use the Bitcoin only firmware as it's safer than a multi coin software. [BitBox02](https://bitbox.swiss/bitbox02/bitcoin-only/) - another great little device, opt for the more secure Bitcoin ONLY version (less coins = less code = less chance for a hidden bug or a backdoor). Sadly, this device is **not air-gapped**. [Jade](https://blockstream.com/jade) - air gapped, fully open source, Bitcoin only, great features. There's a newer version called Jade Plus, it has much better camera and overall is a better build. I would go stateless instead of using their servers. You can even [build it on your own](https://github.com/Blockstream/jade/), if you feel adventurous. [Seedsigner](https://github.com/SeedSigner/seedsigner) - another DIY, fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, not for you if you're just starting up but something to consider later. [Krux wallet](https://selfcustody.github.io/krux/) - one more DIY hardware device, I love this one for many reasons. Similar to Seedsigner, it's fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, that is not for you right now if you're just starting up, but something to consider at a later stage and/or to up the security of your bitcoin. There's also Ledger, but I wouldn't recommend it as it's not fully open source, keep and already leaked customers' details, recently said they're capable of sending customers' keys out just with a firmware update, making is an expensive hot wallet. The opposite of what you want from a cold wallet. **Stay away**, save yourself a headache in the future. The same goes for many other hardware wallets that are too new or filled with too much of unnecessary shitcoin code. Stay away. There's also ColdCard, great features but recently had a massive duckup, I would wait until all of their code is fully open source, preferably rewritten by the community before touching it. Whatever wallet you'll decide to buy, purchase DIRECTLY from the manufacturer, no eBay, no Amazon. Make sure the device is NOT preset, and you will generate your own seed words. Write them down on any piece of paper as well as the receiving address. Now wipe the wallet and generate a new wallet. If the seed words are different from the first set, you're safe to use it. Find an option to set a passphrase and use it. This will boost the security to another level. Never store the seed words and passphrase together. Use a different medium if possible. If somebody finds both, they'll be able to steal your coin. This little device will hold the keys to your money, that's the reason why you have to be a bit more careful. Also, no worries, if it breaks, you can replace it - as long as you keep your seed words and passphrase(s) safe. Welcome to the rabbit hole and don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions anytime during your Bitcoin journey. Also, [check the sidebar](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/about) that's filled with lots of great info and if you have any questions, visit r/BitcoinBeginners or r/Bitcoin and look for the answers.

Romanizer

It's a short squeeze followed by large spot buys. ETF inflows at that day were the largest since may. Combined with us going through the 200DMA on high volume, it doesn't look good for bears. But as you said, we surely retract a little bit and maybe test that moving average again.

DiamondHandsDarrell

The squeeze didn’t just come out of nowhere. Treasury moved to increase long bond buybacks, long yields eased, the dollar weakened, and BTC already had a couple days of ETF inflows behind it. That gave Bitcoin the initial push through the resistance area everyone had been shorting against. Once BTC broke through that level, the shorts started getting liquidated. When a short gets liquidated, the position has to buy BTC back, so that forced buying pushes the price higher, which liquidates more shorts, which creates even more buying. That’s how you end up with roughly $1.4B in shorts getting wiped out in a few hours and BTC basically going straight up. So the short squeeze was the accelerator, not necessarily the original cause. Now the important part is whether actual spot and ETF buyers keep buying after all that forced short covering fuel is gone.

DiamondHandsDarrell

The squeeze didn’t just come out of nowhere. Treasury moved to increase long bond buybacks, long yields eased, the dollar weakened, and BTC already had a couple days of ETF inflows behind it. That gave Bitcoin the initial push through the resistance area everyone had been shorting against. Once BTC broke through that level, the shorts started getting liquidated. When a short gets liquidated, the position has to buy BTC back, so that forced buying pushes the price higher, which liquidates more shorts, which creates even more buying. That’s how you end up with roughly $1.4B in shorts getting wiped out in a few hours and BTC basically going straight up. So the short squeeze was the accelerator, not necessarily the original cause. Now the important part is whether actual spot and ETF buyers keep buying after all that forced short covering fuel is gone.

Leynnox

ETF world down 5%, to me it's rotation happening, not a pump and dump or whatever. And I'm not a bull person, I'd like better seeing it going lower for more discount, but that's it.

Jogi1811

If your heart told you to sell at $65k and you did. I don't think you have a good risk tolerance and maybe should go for an ETF.

Jogi1811

Honestly I just continue to DCA at the regular amount the day after my pay lands. I'm in a Bitcoin ETF so it's usually before the dividend EX date. The dividend I do hold and wait to see if there is a drop in price during the middle of the month usually. Usually towards the end there is always a little higher.

riscten

In most places, if you ever sell BTC while you're in the green, you'll be taxed on the income. A significant portion of your gains just gone. If you buy the ETF in a tax-sheltered account (the whole point of the ETFs IMHO) like a Roth IRA, there's no tax. The management fee is peanuts considering how much you'll save (assuming BTC goes up of course). If you really plan to never, ever sell, and only leverage your BTC for loans, then sure, raw BTC is debatably better. Also a better bet to de-risk against government seizure.

DiamondHandsDarrell

The squeeze didn’t just come out of nowhere. Treasury moved to increase long bond buybacks, long yields eased, the dollar weakened, and BTC already had a couple days of ETF inflows behind it. That gave Bitcoin the initial push through the resistance area everyone had been shorting against. Once BTC broke through that level, the shorts started getting liquidated. When a short gets liquidated, the position has to buy BTC back, so that forced buying pushes the price higher, which liquidates more shorts, which creates even more buying. That’s how you end up with roughly $1.4B in shorts getting wiped out in a few hours and BTC basically going straight up. So the short squeeze was the accelerator, not necessarily the original cause. Now the important part is whether actual spot and ETF buyers keep buying after all that forced short covering fuel is gone.

malacosa

My biggest fear is that this will happen to a large ETF wallet and totally destroy that market.

Jogi1811

Getting wrecked on Tuesday would be great. Getting paid soon and my ETF ex dividend date is at the end of the month.

riscten

This 100x. Buying from CEXes is not worth it. Either buy the ETF if you want something simple and avoid paying taxes, or buy from a no-KYC DEX like Robosats for coins that will not easily be traced back to you. CEX is all downsides with no benefits.

DiamondHandsDarrell

The squeeze didn’t just come out of nowhere. Treasury moved to increase long bond buybacks, long yields eased, the dollar weakened, and BTC already had a couple days of ETF inflows behind it. That gave Bitcoin the initial push through the resistance area everyone had been shorting against. Once BTC broke through that level, the shorts started getting liquidated. When a short gets liquidated, the position has to buy BTC back, so that forced buying pushes the price higher, which liquidates more shorts, which creates even more buying. That’s how you end up with roughly $1.4B in shorts getting wiped out in a few hours and BTC basically going straight up. So the short squeeze was the accelerator, not necessarily the original cause. Now the important part is whether actual spot and ETF buyers keep buying after all that forced short covering fuel is gone.

DiamondHandsDarrell

The squeeze didn’t just come out of nowhere. Treasury moved to increase long bond buybacks, long yields eased, the dollar weakened, and BTC already had a couple days of ETF inflows behind it. That gave Bitcoin the initial push through the resistance area everyone had been shorting against. Once BTC broke through that level, the shorts started getting liquidated. When a short gets liquidated, the position has to buy BTC back, so that forced buying pushes the price higher, which liquidates more shorts, which creates even more buying. That’s how you end up with roughly $1.4B in shorts getting wiped out in a few hours and BTC basically going straight up. So the short squeeze was the accelerator, not necessarily the original cause. Now the important part is whether actual spot and ETF buyers keep buying after all that forced short covering fuel is gone.

bittenbycoin

Remember, the post ETF bitcoin price is comprised mostly of: - A very few new educated hodler which help bitcoin go up and to the right long term - Risk on/off investors/gamblers quickly flocking and changing direction, both ways, contributing some sort of periodicity to the price, and - Asset rotaters, even more quickly flocking and changing directions, contributing another form of periodicity to the price. The fun lasts as long as the flockers are willing to flock here.

Maximum-Cover-786

Made you a list you could look at: # Institutional & Major Analyst Price Targets * **Standard Chartered:** **$150,000** * **Thesis:** Revised target down from previous $300k, citing moderated institutional spot ETF inflows, but maintains a strong bullish outlook based on broader traditional finance adoption. * [Standard Chartered Analyst Outlook via TradingView](https://id.tradingview.com/news/cointelegraph:5c1f807db094b:0-bitcoin-price-in-2026-predictions-vs-charts-and-reality/) * **Bernstein:** **$150,000** * **Thesis:** Expects Bitcoin to reach $150,000 as structural adoption moves the asset past its historical, rigid 4-year boom/bust halving cycles. * [Bernstein Report Coverage via TradingView](https://id.tradingview.com/news/cointelegraph:5c1f807db094b:0-bitcoin-price-in-2026-predictions-vs-charts-and-reality/) * **Bitwise (Matt Hougan):** **$200,000** * **Thesis:** Driven by massive whale wallet accumulation and ongoing institutional inflows through ETF vehicles. * [Bitwise Prediction via Business Insider](https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/crypto-news-pepeto-rolls-out-its-defi-tools-while-bitcoin-price-prediction-targets-200-000-and-whale-wallets-reveal-their-next-target-1036467766) * **MicroStrategy (Michael Saylor):** **$150,000** * **Thesis:** Points to structural decline in asset volatility as traditional market participant involvement matures. * [Michael Saylor Targets via TradingView](https://id.tradingview.com/news/cointelegraph:5c1f807db094b:0-bitcoin-price-in-2026-predictions-vs-charts-and-reality/) * **Fundstrat:** **$200,000 – $250,000** * **Thesis:** Upper-range bull target driven by global liquidity expansion and constrained post-halving liquid supply. * [Fundstrat Macro Analysis via IG](https://www.ig.com/en/news-and-trade-ideas/bitcoin-2026-market-outlook-251212)

DiamondHandsDarrell

The squeeze didn’t just come out of nowhere. Treasury moved to increase long bond buybacks, long yields eased, the dollar weakened, and BTC already had a couple days of ETF inflows behind it. That gave Bitcoin the initial push through the resistance area everyone had been shorting against. Once BTC broke through that level, the shorts started getting liquidated. When a short gets liquidated, the position has to buy BTC back, so that forced buying pushes the price higher, which liquidates more shorts, which creates even more buying. That’s how you end up with roughly $1.4B in shorts getting wiped out in a few hours and BTC basically going straight up. So the short squeeze was the accelerator, not necessarily the original cause. Now the important part is whether actual spot and ETF buyers keep buying after all that forced short covering fuel is gone.

DiamondHandsDarrell

The squeeze didn’t just come out of nowhere. Treasury moved to increase long bond buybacks, long yields eased, the dollar weakened, and BTC already had a couple days of ETF inflows behind it. That gave Bitcoin the initial push through the resistance area everyone had been shorting against. Once BTC broke through that level, the shorts started getting liquidated. When a short gets liquidated, the position has to buy BTC back, so that forced buying pushes the price higher, which liquidates more shorts, which creates even more buying. That’s how you end up with roughly $1.4B in shorts getting wiped out in a few hours and BTC basically going straight up. So the short squeeze was the accelerator, not necessarily the original cause. Now the important part is whether actual spot and ETF buyers keep buying after all that forced short covering fuel is gone.

DiamondHandsDarrell

The squeeze didn’t just come out of nowhere. Treasury moved to increase long bond buybacks, long yields eased, the dollar weakened, and BTC already had a couple days of ETF inflows behind it. That gave Bitcoin the initial push through the resistance area everyone had been shorting against. Once BTC broke through that level, the shorts started getting liquidated. When a short gets liquidated, the position has to buy BTC back, so that forced buying pushes the price higher, which liquidates more shorts, which creates even more buying. That’s how you end up with roughly $1.4B in shorts getting wiped out in a few hours and BTC basically going straight up. So the short squeeze was the accelerator, not necessarily the original cause. Now the important part is whether actual spot and ETF buyers keep buying after all that forced short covering fuel is gone.

Leynnox

ETF world -2.6% in 5 days. BTC up +11% in 5 days. That doesn't look like a trap or manipulation to me, but real rotation starting.

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DiamondHandsDarrell

The squeeze didn’t just come out of nowhere. Treasury moved to increase long bond buybacks, long yields eased, the dollar weakened, and BTC already had a couple days of ETF inflows behind it. That gave Bitcoin the initial push through the resistance area everyone had been shorting against. Once BTC broke through that level, the shorts started getting liquidated. When a short gets liquidated, the position has to buy BTC back, so that forced buying pushes the price higher, which liquidates more shorts, which creates even more buying. That’s how you end up with roughly $1.4B in shorts getting wiped out in a few hours and BTC basically going straight up. So the short squeeze was the accelerator, not necessarily the original cause. Now the important part is whether actual spot and ETF buyers keep buying after all that forced short covering fuel is gone.

DiamondHandsDarrell

The squeeze didn’t just come out of nowhere. Treasury moved to increase long bond buybacks, long yields eased, the dollar weakened, and BTC already had a couple days of ETF inflows behind it. That gave Bitcoin the initial push through the resistance area everyone had been shorting against. Once BTC broke through that level, the shorts started getting liquidated. When a short gets liquidated, the position has to buy BTC back, so that forced buying pushes the price higher, which liquidates more shorts, which creates even more buying. That’s how you end up with roughly $1.4B in shorts getting wiped out in a few hours and BTC basically going straight up. So the short squeeze was the accelerator, not necessarily the original cause. Now the important part is whether actual spot and ETF buyers keep buying after all that forced short covering fuel is gone.

DiamondHandsDarrell

The squeeze didn’t just come out of nowhere. Treasury moved to increase long bond buybacks, long yields eased, the dollar weakened, and BTC already had a couple days of ETF inflows behind it. That gave Bitcoin the initial push through the resistance area everyone had been shorting against. Once BTC broke through that level, the shorts started getting liquidated. When a short gets liquidated, the position has to buy BTC back, so that forced buying pushes the price higher, which liquidates more shorts, which creates even more buying. That’s how you end up with roughly $1.4B in shorts getting wiped out in a few hours and BTC basically going straight up. So the short squeeze was the accelerator, not necessarily the original cause. Now the important part is whether actual spot and ETF buyers keep buying after all that forced short covering fuel is gone.

JohnSyrios

ETF inflows

Melodic-Ad1415

**When heavy short leverage meets a multi-week technical coil and positive spot ETF flows, the path of least resistance violently flips upward. The key battleground now is whether bulls can flip $65,500–$66,000 into confirmed support to target the $68,000–$70,000 zone.**

BrokenHefaistos

portofolio between -2 and +2 percent...for the last two monthd...what is this ? an ETF ???

devCheckingIn

ETF buying (or ETF leverage trading).

Efficient_Range1156

None of those are really red flags in bitcoin. Now if you had said the network is no longer decentralized, secure or that the 21 million coin hard cap was removed I’d be worried. What you’ve described instead is the usual market cycle bitcoin experiences. New investor count, this one is interesting. I feel the opposite is true. Just look at the etfs, people are exposed to bitcoin without ever having to interact with the network. ETF buyers seem to buy and hold, a different kind of buyer altogether, this may explain the decrease in spot volume to some degree. Is it possible that your thesis is incorrect and you have some implicit bias towards bitcoin for whatever reason? At any rate, I’ll keep buying it because governments can’t print it, no one can take it from me and I can transact on the network directly suitors an intermediary. Good luck to you.

Hutcho12

Buy an All World ETF with your savings. Then you don't just profit from the stability of the dollar/euro etc, but also the growing world economy.

RUStupidOrSarcastic

So since I make a comfortable living as a doctor, investing the majority of my income and building long term wealth, does that mean I have permission to talk shit about Trump? Is that how this works? Because the fact his gains over the decades didn’t even outperform the S&P says everything you need to know about how great of a businessman he is… if you would’ve done better just passively putting your money into an ETF, then you failed as a businessman. If I were to start a side business as an alternate investment the whole point is to vastly outperform a basic S&P ETF long term. Or do only other billionaires get to talk shit about trump? My income puts me close to the 1% of the US but perhaps I’m not rich enough to have permission to point out how obviously shitty of a person he is? I’m just full of envy? Trump is a scumbag grifter and objectively has not been a good businessman. This is obvious to most people. His success at becoming president shows he clearly found a way to very effectively sell himself to the uneducated masses though. His approach by making over the top statements and promises without any respect for what is factual made him an effective salesperson to certain groups of people. His greatest success is the fact he managed to leverage his wealth and fame to become president.

rocket_beer

OP u/LetsLearnYouZhongWen An ETF is your government fiat, and then when you sell, you get government fiat back. At no point do you own any crypto, at all.

Vipu2

What I said that if core adds tail emission or something similar so it goes in Core version 40 whatever, then anyone who doesnt support that have to fork off. More and more people have got into BTC that have no idea anything about BTC, just buys some etf on exchange and forgets about it. So imagine btc core adds tail emission and removes hard cap. Now you and rest of us "normies" are the BIP888 people who want to fork off. If the big money companies, miners, ETFs with most of peoples money stay in core and dont fork off how is that different? Sure there would be bigger fight in X and reddit about it but it would not be big enough that ETF and big money would see or care about it, they just want to buy BTC and see numbers go up, not to fork off to something weird that those others talk about.

Murky_Entertainer378

Y’all just buy the ETF

ElderMight

For the average user I think I would tell them to buy the ETF. For above average user, open source bitcoin only hardware with BIP-39 support, ordered anonymously. Generate seed with dice rolls + paraphrase backed up on paper or steel. For technical or above average that's interested, seedsigner.

Lavayo

Me too. I started in 24 after the ETF run so I'm slightly in loss with BTC ATM because I always kept my DCA. Alts... let's not talk about it. Luckily I always preferred BTC, also back then. My allocation to BTC went from 75% to >95% without selling anything ever. Most my alts are Sol and Eth and it simply does not make sense to sell them now. Use potential wins to DCA BTC in the next bear.

DifficultSquash1517

Four letters: ETF

devCheckingIn

Folks went on an ETF buying spree yesterday.

MarioWilson122

Crypto is not dying, but AI and computer chips took a lot of the attention and speculative money that crypto once received. Those companies also have real demand, revenue, and heavy private investment behind them, while crypto still depends much more on liquidity, hype, and investor confidence. The weakness is not simply because Trump refused to have the government invest. His administration created a Strategic Bitcoin Reserve, but it was mainly funded with government-owned forfeited Bitcoin. Any additional purchases were required to be budget neutral, so the market never received the huge government buying program some investors expected. Trump has been broadly pro-crypto on regulation, but some of his wider economic moves have still hurt risk assets. Crypto has been hit especially hard by weaker risk appetite, ETF outflows, leverage getting wiped out, and a lack of demand for most altcoins. AI and chips were better able to hold attention because their growth was supported by actual business spending. There is no reliable way to say when the next bull run will begin. Bitcoin can recover if liquidity and institutional demand return, but many altcoins may never revisit their old highs. A winter rally is possible, but I would not assume one is coming just because the market has already fallen so much.

sylsau

Someone just declared **Bitcoin at $1 million “mathematically impossible.”** The argument sounds devastating: **Bitcoin at $1M ≈ $20 trillion market cap.** Therefore, Bitcoin supposedly needs roughly **$15 trillion of new money** to get there. Except… **That’s not how markets work.** A $15T increase in market cap does **not** require $15T of cash inflows. Market cap is: **Price × Supply.** And price is determined by the **marginal Bitcoin being sold**. If available supply becomes scarce while demand accelerates, a relatively small amount of new capital can reprice the entire network dramatically higher. That’s why: → Market cap ≠ money invested → Liquidity matters more than headline supply → Dormant BTC doesn’t need to be “bought again” → ETF flows can move a trillion-dollar asset with comparatively tiny capital → A supply squeeze can create enormous nonlinear price moves **Does that mean Bitcoin WILL hit $1M by 2030?** No. It would require an extraordinary transformation in global adoption, liquidity, institutional allocation, and monetary conditions. But **“unlikely” and “mathematically impossible” are two very different claims.** Bitcoin at $1M isn't really a $15 trillion cash problem. It’s a **liquidity problem.** And if buyers ever discover that there are far fewer willing sellers than they expected… the market will do the math for us.

sylsau

Someone just declared **Bitcoin at $1 million “mathematically impossible.”** The argument sounds devastating: **Bitcoin at $1M ≈ $20 trillion market cap.** Therefore, Bitcoin supposedly needs roughly **$15 trillion of new money** to get there. Except… **That’s not how markets work.** A $15T increase in market cap does **not** require $15T of cash inflows. Market cap is: **Price × Supply.** And price is determined by the **marginal Bitcoin being sold**. If available supply becomes scarce while demand accelerates, a relatively small amount of new capital can reprice the entire network dramatically higher. That’s why: → Market cap ≠ money invested → Liquidity matters more than headline supply → Dormant BTC doesn’t need to be “bought again” → ETF flows can move a trillion-dollar asset with comparatively tiny capital → A supply squeeze can create enormous nonlinear price moves **Does that mean Bitcoin WILL hit $1M by 2030?** No. It would require an extraordinary transformation in global adoption, liquidity, institutional allocation, and monetary conditions. But **“unlikely” and “mathematically impossible” are two very different claims.** Bitcoin at $1M isn't really a $15 trillion cash problem. It’s a **liquidity problem.** And if buyers ever discover that there are far fewer willing sellers than they expected… the market will do the math for us.

rgnet1

It's true. But nothing can be done about that. There will never be a global regulatory clampdown on paper bitcoin or any other paper asset / derivative. But the underlying asset of bitcoin still exists and still ultimately is the seed driver of the price in all derivative markets. On the utility side, those who do actually want to transact in bitcoin -- one day, I dream I can directly purchase a house or car from a seller without the bullshit of moving large amounts of money through banks / escrow / middlemen fee takers -- will never transact in ETF shares of bitcoin.

drobb778

Today I said how brutal this is on a youtube channel and that it might be what convinces me to just use ETF's (i know it's blasphemy) and he said lol you will be defeating the point of owning bitcoin. Does LOL suit how you feel about your situation? I mean, some people lost over a million dollars but I'm very sorry for this happening to you. Very sorry.

RiceRevolutionary712

Where do you have the ETF number from? [https://www.theblock.co/data/etfs/bitcoin-etf/spot-bitcoin-etf-onchain-holdings](https://www.theblock.co/data/etfs/bitcoin-etf/spot-bitcoin-etf-onchain-holdings) Here it says that 1.86m btc are being hold in etf.

Efficient_Range1156

Exactly, everyone is waiting for something to happen but the market has changed. The highs are lower the lows are higher. Waiting for an arbitrary point in time just because it’s a terrible idea. It’s not the Wild West any more, it’s just entities steadily accumulating and leaving everyone else behind. lol at the ETF inflow chart, if the bitcoin chart looked like that we’d be at 90k. The bitcoin chart reflects the impact of the 4 year cycle theory but smart money DGAF about that.

Objective-Walk6780

bitcoin ETFs are backed by actual bitcoin. That’s why prices go up when institutions buy ETF

unshak3n

Forget companies and cold wallets. Go ETF or let it in Coinbase. Search for "coldcard 2026" if you have doubts.

Mattie_Kadlec

It's a good analysis but I feel like it all comes down to ETF inflows versus the OTC miner selloffs right now

FewUnderstanding2214

If you don’t believe in it, then sell it - you would’ve done better just holding an ETF

SmoothAsSilk_23

Stacking Bitcoin ETF instead. Screw self-custody. Yes, I feel like a sellout but I can't trust anyone now.

Htroll

Already started with chip stocks like ASML, Intel and AMD. Not sure about TSMC. But I plan to hold 4+ years before selling. Intel is building new factories to rent to other companies who wish to produce their own chips. Apple already made a deal with them for that. Nvidia is practically an ETF with all the stocks they buy.

Practical_Mango7633

They do not own Bitcoin. However if your granny and daddy is into speculating in things they do not understand they should buy a Bitcoin ETF. Anyone able to understand Bitcoin is able to understand how to use a hardware wallet as well. And I actually bet both my granny and dad would be able to use a hardware wallet. Buy a Ledger Nano X or Trezor Safe 5 and the setup guide is so straight forward: "Press left button, now right button, now type in a pin code. Well done, now get a biscuit and pat yourself on the back" The devices has two buttons, and a screen that's it.

AEON782

Although I agree a certain element is lost with bitcoin being indoctrinated by the suits, I do think it's just part of it's life cycle if it's to be used as a predominant store of value. ETF' & Regulation allow a new wave of capital to be unlocked and act as a structural bid over the next decade we wouldn't of had otherwise... same thing happened with gold. And at the end of the day we are all here to see number go up so need new ways of unlocking demand into the future. But for the most part outsized gains for BTC are behind us, we've lost the cypherpunk libertarian feeling of re calibrating the system. There is a massive gap in the market for a crypto to take share again. I agree it's never been a more exciting time to be in crypto if you can find the right assets. Persist forever Aeon

Ill-Party8305

Bitcoin ETF exist

BigvalBROski

Use a passphrase or just buy the ETF

FTFOatl

Bitcoin ETF hodlers are welcome right? Right???

EmptyBee23

ETF

GettingFasterDude

Same. I finally settled on this: approximately 1/3 in an ETF (FBTC in 401K), 2/3 on Fidelity crypto and 1% on my own cold wallet to keep up the self custody skill in case I need to exit the traditional financial system and take full custody at some point in the future.

jaxxon

No chance. Huge financial institutions are all-in. I was on Fidelity.com the other day and on their home page (logged in), they show key numbers like the price of oil, the price of gold, and... the price of bitcoin. Their FBTC ETF is super popular. The powers that be won't let BTC die. I can't speak for memecoins/shitcoins/etc.

DifficultSquash1517

Probably because he owns the BTC ETF 🤷 Or maybe he wants to warn others the dangers of self-custody 🤷

WorkerPlayful4192

What is BTC if is not investment tool, like stocks, ETF-s, bonds and etc. Definitely is not currency to buy stuff.

NinjaTabby

For most people who just want exposure to the price. ETF is even better.

moonkingdome

Reverse cramer etf Nohhh the actual SJIM ETF is not up because it no longer exists. But Simulated models tracked show that the "Inverse Cramer" strategy skyrocketed by 158% since inception, beating the S&P 500’s 68% gain in that same timeframe. Lol NOW thats amazing I guesse thats why they killed it

Turbulent_Deal_3145

My hot take is I have all my bitcoin on Wealthsimple (Canadian QuestTrade) in the form of an ETF, because the chances of that platform going belly up are far, far lower than the chances of me losing a cold wallet or seed phrase

Charge36

This is why I'm perfectly happy with my net worth in stocks, bonds, and ETF

Puzzleheaded-Dot-762

I'm sure people told him to buy a hardware wallet after the FTX fiasco. If he starts buying ETF, I'm selling my IBITs. 

Signal-Fig-2952

This is a deeply unpopular opinion in the bitcoin self-custody world, until someone loses everything because their single sig seed gets hacked. Custody with a large regulated company like Coinbase or Bitcoin ETFs are safer for the vast majority of people. This shouldn’t be shamed — self custody folks should continue to do so, but welcome Coinbase, Robinhood, and ETF investors who will all help increase the value of BTC in the long term.

TheOnlyVibemaster

May wanna just buy an ETF man

Affectionate_Act3731

Maybe not SP500, but a World ETF

Makunouchiipp0

Most should use an ETF

Fair_Vermicelli_727

Buy and hold an ETF and stop with this nonsense....

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snek-jazz

> big money in the BTC bank scene/ETF have no idea what a ColdCard is No punctuation needed, the sentence was clear.

Any_Way_5245

Saylor is really good at PR control and big money in the BTC bank scene/ETF have no idea what a ColdCard is lol

Any_Way_5245

Ask any of the ETF people what a ColdCard is. No idea what it even is.

BigvalBROski

Use a passphrase or buy the ETF….. anyone who says different doesn’t have a clue…

Remarkable_Wish_5106

A financial advisor buying a BTC ETF for a client is not institutional money, that's still retail. Institutional money does not own crypto assets. Please show me what Blackrock or any other big money management allocating to crypto?

KateR_H0l1day

It’s really positive that grandpa has been studying the market, and things that could and do effect Crypto. The fact that his initial conclusion highlights the resilience of BTC, even in the middle of the bear market and significant influences is very promising. His ultimate and final conclusion will result in his recognition that BTC is a solid buy, with little downside from here. Plus the fact that TradFi is overheating, and a potential downside from here is a real possibility. Will also funnel his movement from TradFi into Crypto, particularly BTC in the 2nd half of 2026. I’m a grandma, and that’s exactly the conclusion I got to a short time ago! Those records being hit on the S&P500 over the last month have seen me selling and buying more CRYPTO based ETF’s. Additionally, this month has seen me change the staking rewards from reinvesting/compounding said Alt; to having the Alt rewards in BTC. It’s not much, but it’s a start, the stars are aligning slowly. So, in reality, it’s a positive post, and just one you have to understand where the breadcrumbs are pointing in this game we’re all playing. 🤷‍♀️

Tostonn

Look up Stonkbrokers on Robinhood chain. New NFT tech that could possibly lead the something. Lowkey close to an ETF and I feel like maybe in some legal gray area but they are popping off rn

AidenTai

Bitcoin is trading with low volume as is negative on all the major timeframes. If you look at prediction markets and open interest almost every indicator is we will at minimum revisit the bottom and most likely break it by 3–15% with the middle of that range being favoured. You can't really predict like this with precision, but between historically weak Septembers, current low volume, current structural weakness, low ETF flows / outflows, sell pressure whenever we break 65... None of that points to recovery soon. Instead we probably have a couple months of weakness during which we'll have opportunities to slip lower and see how low we can push it. It's anyone's guess what the bottom will actually be though.

Remarkable_Wish_5106

Wall Street isn't buying BTC. The ETF's are mainly retail and hedge funds for trading.

LargeSnorlax

Ok, so, if you're asking for real advice, there are three answers: **The easy, sensible answer - Answer 1:** Sell your crypto, get the fuck out of the the space, and either get crypto custodial in an ETF or don't get involved in it at all ever again. If you don't want to do any security checks or properly manage your money like a bank would, you **will** end up losing all your money one way or another, either from laziness, inattentiveness or simply lack of knowledge. If this sounds like you, sell it all and never look back. **The "it's really not that hard" answer - Answer 2:** Go buy a Trezor, put your crypto on it and never use it again until you want to add to it or sell it. **The paranoid crypto rabbit hole - Answer 3:** You've chosen the hard path. Being your own bank LITERALLY means being your own bank, which means you have to do everything a bank does. Security, protection, proper storage, proper backups. You are literally the only barrier between yourself and a criminal wanting to take your money, and in the world of today, everyone wants it. So what do you do? - Your computer and every device you have is now an attack vector. Act like it. Install adblockers and browsers that make sure every move you make online is safe. Get a password manager and rotate passwords often. - Assemble a new computer, from parts you got yourself. This is the only way you will access crypto from now on, and there will be no web browsing, no installing games, mods, or files on it. Hot wallets have their seeds written on paper or stamped, and nothing EVER touches this computer in terms of your passwords or phrases. No copy paste, no files on the desktop, no phrases in your emails. Nothing. On paper, secured in a separate location, or something like putting the mnemonic in a favourite book of yours that only you know about and will never forget, or whatever works for you. - Websites are access from their pages only. No clicking on google links unless you vet it. No wallets on browsers. No clicking links on webpages, especially from browsers with wallets. No addons. No downloads. Your crypto computer stays entirely clean. - Buy a wallet under a pseudonym and substitute address, it will be linked at some point. Set it up and don't ever use that. If you want to make transactions / trade / do liquid staking / whatever make hot wallets and follow these same procedures. Nothing connected. Nothing together. - Make paper backups of everything you have and move them places you trust. Nothing in your house. If you get wrench attacked you don't want to lose all your money and you don't want to be tempted to say where anything is. The probability of it happening is basically negative but that doesn't mean its impossible. Where you put them is up to you. Being your own bank is a hard warning, you literally have to do everything a bank does to keep your money safe. A bank has hundreds or thousands of employees for a reason, and that's you now. You're thousands of employees, and you're the only thing standing between you losing 100% of your money and everyone who wants it. Take it serious.

ubermensch1001

Honestly, man, this last cycle was pretty boring and there was barely any euphoria, little retail interest, etc. You could chalk up a lot of this to tight monetary policy, but I think in an environment that was frothier we easily would have been at 150k+. RSI peaked with the ETF hype in Q1 of 2024. We had a nice pump after the '24 election where alts ran pretty hard but after that and going into 2025 the market slowly fizzled away. BTC did set a new all time high last October, barely, but no one gave a damn. In contrast, now we are seeing loosening monetary policy and the right setup for something more akin to 2021. I personally wouldn't be surprised to see BTC at 250k+ as we go into 2028 and I also think that the alt season that we never got this last cycle will come into full swing and make up for what we missed.

crooks4hire

We can both occupy the middle ground 😁 You’re right too, wars are definitely fought with money long before they’re fought with guns. There’s a LOT of new blood moving into bitcoin, and many people view it as a safe haven rather than a tool. They’re understandably scared and just want their money to maintain its value over time. ETF’s, exchanges, etc are a decent enough avenue for that; but folks need to be aware that they’re still at undefinable risk when taking those routes due to the trust necessary to use them.

Itslotanna

I trade ETF flows, and right now data is pointing towards 71k target price. In case it's something you wanna watch for.