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coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Bitcoin is reportedly trading at a 40% discount to its intrinsic value, with its energy value estimated at $130,000 post-April 2024 halving. Recent data shows significant Bitcoin outflows from Coinbase and Binance, suggesting institutional buying or ETF-related demand, with $3 billion in spot Bitcoin ETF inflows in one week. Analysts note Bitcoin's price action mirrors Q4 2024 patterns, potentially signaling a rise above $100,000, though resistance at $96,100 may pose challenges. Fractal patterns suggest bullish momentum but are not guaranteed. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

PlasticEyebrow

ETF's... there has been massive inflows.

Unnormally2

Some? Maybe. But with interest rates what they are, who is going to want to invest in an ETH ETF for similar or worse yields? Staking was more attractive when interest rates were near zero.

BoxTraditional3795

So true, i have a best friend to whom i was so keen to explain everything, she just thought i was kind of crazy and lost my mind to bitcoin, she then stopped listening to anything about bitcoin, until Bitcoin ETF approved, she put in a little bit.

critiqueextension

Recent data indicates that US spot Ethereum ETFs have attracted significant inflows, with over $104 million in the latest reports, supporting the potential for Ethereum to reach $2,000 as institutional interest grows. However, despite bullish technical patterns, market volatility and ETF outflows could pose risks to sustained price increases. * [Ethereum Price Prediction: Will ETH Reach $2000 ... - CoinDCX](https://coindcx.com/blog/price-predictions/ethereum-price-weekly/) * [Ethereum (ETH) Price: Is $2,000 in Sight Following ... - CoinCentral](https://coincentral.com/ethereum-eth-price-is-2000-in-sight-following-institutional-buying-spree/) * [Ethereum Price Forecast: ETH ETF sees boost as bulls ... - FXStreet](https://www.fxstreet.com/cryptocurrencies/news/ethereum-price-forecast-eth-etf-sees-boost-as-bulls-target-descending-channel-resistance-202504240135) ^(This is a bot made by [Critique AI](https://critique-labs.ai). If you want vetted information like this on all content you browse, [download our extension](https://critiquebrowser.app).)

Heavy_Bicycle6524

My 2 cents. Don’t put all your eggs in one basket. You need to diversify your investment. Take some of the gains and put those into ETF’s. With the turmoil in the market right now, you’re essentially buying ETF’s whilst they are on special

luctikal

If this is everything you have, I would say bad choice. BTC is (in my opinion) a good investment but still high risk. Would be smart to hold some ETF's like S&P500 or some world equity fund, and maybe allocate 25% of said life savings BTC.

nestiebein

Which is impossible because a broker with an ETF would need to show their crypto wallet to proof the holdings. It's exactly why Bitcoin and other crypto are more fair and more true than a central bank which undemocraticly makes changes that impact the entire economy.

nestiebein

You can see how much is in a crypto wallet. So you can factually see how much the broker of an ETF has on supply. Housing market has nothing to do with it. This comment is making me feel weirded out, like it's deliberately trying to mix up things that have 0 relation.

Nunyabiz_327

I invest in Bitcoin and see no problem with as long as you have the understanding that you have to stick long term, ride out the down turns and not panic. The second thing I'd say, is I am prepared to loose all of it, it is risky and volatile. My advice is only invest in bitcoin as a minority stake in your overall portfolio. I have traditional investments through 401k, IRA, and a normal brokage account with stocks and ETF investments. Bitcoin should never be your actual investment strategy, but it can definitely be valuable as a piece of that strategy.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Brazil has become the first country to launch a spot XRP exchange-traded fund (ETF), named XRPH11, which began trading on April 25, 2025, on B3, Brazil's main stock exchange. Created by Hashdex and managed by Genial Investimentos, the ETF invests at least 95% of its assets in XRP or related financial products. It tracks the XRP Reference Price Index and charges annual fees of up to 0.7%. This marks a significant milestone in Brazil's crypto market, offering regulated access to XRP for investors. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

MixtapeNostalgia

----- Not financial advice. Simply my own path. ----- Have you read the Bitcoin Whitepaper or a book called Broken Money, or even better (and this one was ahead of its time) The Bitcoin Standard? I definitely recommend all three. If you don't agree with the fundamentals of what Satoshi was aiming for, that's okay. But I've dedicated the last 6+ years to understanding (to the best of my ability) why he created Bitcoin, and I enjoy reading things that elucidate these views and in fact the opinions of detractors. But unfortunately it is the detractors that sort of kept one of my feet inside the world of fiat for far too long. It's my own choice and fault at the end of the day, but the amount of FUD you'll find on almost every single non-crypto financial subreddit is staggering. Mostly because it is all wrong. Objectively. Time will prove this. I recently saw a redditor write that "People will buy Bitcoin at the price they deserve" a few days ago, and it is one of the most poignant things I've ever read on the topic. And one of the most truly accurate. Yeah, I've made good money with LETFs and VT has been kind to me. But had I just put my money in Bitcoin instead of messing around with that stuff, I would have made more money than I'm prepared to admit. And to be honest, money isn't massively important to me on a personal level. I am certainly not happier because I can pay my bills. I simply grew up very poor, but l knew I had the ability to turn $ into $ if I dedicated enough time to learning on my own. Never did I think it would come to turning $ into BTC. And never did I think I'd come to see BTC as a true asset - one that could and has changed my life and the lives of so many others. I will continue on this path and try to leave as much of it behind as possible when I'm gone, and help ppl along the way while I'm here; living life under a true Bitcoin standard as soon as possible. So there is no second or third best option. There are just.. other options. And because BTC ETFs are a thing, they are viable options to protect against the unthinkable (lost keys). Again, not financial advice here, just a portion of my own path - *Pay down debts and build an emergency fund (6-12 months of salary) with a HYSA. DCA into BTC ETF(s). *Get marketplace insurance with a high enough deductible / use employer options to have a HSA and DCA into that with the aforementioned method. *Repeat the previous step with earned income into a Roth IRA. *If self employed, repeat previous step via solo 401k and/or SEP IRA. *If fortunate enough to be able to do all of this at once, good times. Obviously, IMO, utilizing actual BTC above all other methods is the most important one. But those are some other options to consider. Definitely not better, but helpful as hedges. They're definitely not in line with what BTC is all about, either. Or don't do any of that and hope that fiat doesn't continue to lose buying power and that BTC doesn't become the world's financial standard. I just suggest reading some things and taking a good look into - and understanding - Bitcoin before it's too late. These first 16 years will be dwarfed by the growth of the next 8. But I'm just a dude on the Internet. I would be looked at as a space lizard if I said this to almost anyone I know. And have been, lol. I wouldn't bother writing any of this outside of a Bitcoin forum, either. Most people will tell you it's all speculation. And I mean, speculation isn't necessarily bad. Diversification isn't either, especially if you're already at the point at which you do not at all worry about your finances. ----- Again, I repeat, this isn't financial advice. This is a version of my story. Do your own due diligence. -----

eupherein

Not a fan of blackrocks methods but I do love that FBTC’s and like to think we have blackrock to thank for their participation in the ETF sector. A roth 401k can easily be exposed to btc and allow the holder to avoid moving cold storage funds with zero tax implications after 5 years and below initial principal.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Spot Bitcoin ETFs in the U.S. saw over $3 billion in inflows this week, marking the first full week of consecutive inflows in five weeks. The surge brought April's net inflows to $2.26 billion, reversing earlier outflows. ETF analyst Eric Balchunas highlighted the rapid shift in inflow momentum, while BlackRock’s iShare Bitcoin ETF was recognized as the 'Best New ETF.' Bitcoin's price hovers around $94,613, with ARK Invest raising its bullish price target to $2.4 million by 2030, citing institutional adoption and its role as 'digital gold.' *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

One-Shop-4406

Thats what im saying, thanks for noticing how much well explained my chart is, this brand new image designing skill and power of pattern recognition has me in wonders and owe of the future as I, yourself too, might be wrong on the same thing. Myself as a non-expert in the charting reading tho found it intersting and wanted to share those blue and red arrows to other ones in my situation who had not used their whole mental power to see this or learn how to draw other kinds of silluetes dancing allong that volatile continuum which represents no other than the price on the B, oh fun sadae4060 if I had the option to add a poll to the post, i would have not doubt for a moment. I hope someone could prove me wrong now to learn from my mistakes sooner. Expected did I not to know how much your acquisition was, therefore Im surprised by the quantity of your most recent move cause mine only was about six thousand argentinian pesitos being all that I hold through an ETF in these far lands from south america, and I read you as someone who is sure about the quality of your move, wish you then sir a lot of luck. What could I think about but how much would you buy if we are in the red arrow weekend? Will you hold or dump as soon as the blue scenario becomes reality?

Icy-South-3707

What about trading the ETF's?

No-Pepper6969

Could you buy some ETF/stock on a market somewhere. Could be a easier way for you to get exposure and sell profits without mixing real bitcoins.

Main_Ad5511

BTC ETF: ibit

panthersam

Buy some bitcoin ETF or MSTR stock, I don't think you'll have the same problems

Glad-Flamingo-93

Just open a brokerage account with exposure to US markets and just buy IBIT, it’s an ETF. You’re welcome

SatisfactionSome6744

Do both buy cash flowing btc ETF and real btc .

JerryLeeDog

You'd have to literally commit securities fraud as an ETF povider BTC is instantly verifiable This is not like gold that needs physical settlement around the planet

mattsbeunhaas

Don’t expect to become rich overnight, the crypto market is way too saturated, so the chance you’ll hit a cheap altcoin that skyrockets and stays stable on a high value is veeeerrrrrry small. Investing in altcoins is a huge gamble most of the time. Invest for the long run, only with money you can afford to lose and only in projects you believe in. BTC is by far the safest bet, and if you want to buy some alts, I would recommend ETH, SOL, XMR and maybe XRP. And if I were you, I would put some money in an all world ETF. Trump is fucking up pretty badly at the moment, but in the long run, in a world ruled by capitalism, everything must always yield more money. So ETF’s are pretty cheap at the moment 😉 Good luck!

mickeythefist_

Depends what you’re hodling for. To pass to the grandkids, no point in an ETF. If you want to realise some gains later in life a small allocation to ETFs is worth it so you can sell them rather than BTC.

veganbitcoiner420

they could and if you hold that ETF cucked bullshit that's a risk you're taking

preland

Basically, Bitcoin is like a card game with a number of cards in the deck. Players can give other players a number of these cards, in return for giving some cards to some special players. These special players also can “draw” from the deck, but these special players can only do this when they have performed a difficult task. This is about as simple as I can explain it, but can I just say that it is disgraceful how people are treating you here? I can remember when bitcoiners were okay with explaining things themselves to new people, even those who seemed dismissive of the currency. They would explain things as best they could, and would simply refute claims in a rational manner. Instead, all that I’m seeing are people calling you “lazy”, giving you links in a condescending manner, and attacking your “attitude”, like someone’s attitude is what matters in a “trustless” system like Bitcoin. I know this may sound ranty, but even in the early days when the community held tradfi in open derision (like the Occupy Wall Street era), they still wouldn’t lose their shit over bitcoin being compared to an ETF. Guys, for Bitcoin to work as a store of value, you need people to be willing to buy it from you later down the line. By refusing to answer questions like this, you are not only kneecapping your own ability to use Bitcoin; you are indirectly harming every single person that owns Bitcoin. Get it together smh

indvs3

Bitcoin isn't an ETF, bitcoin should not be in an ETF either. Bitcoin is a protocol that makes up a global network of value. This network is currently still in the bootstrap phase. Every 10 minutes on average, a network participant is rewarded for providing the power and connectivity to the bitcoin software so it can calculate a new block based on pending transactions in a pool and a cryptographic proof based on previous blocks. When a transaction is validated in a block, consider it a successful transaction. The transaction fees of all transactions in a validated block go to the network participant who calculated said block, as well as the block subsidy, which will run out in about a century, when the bootstrap phase ends. The block subsidy isn't just an incentive to participants to spend electricity, it's also the mechanism that mints the new coins. The rate of minting new coins is lowered every 4y or less and there will never be more than 21 million coins. Because of that, bitcoin is considered non-inflationary and will therefor always outperform assets that are. That includes virtually all other currencies and corporate stocks. Apologies on my part for explaining it as to a 16yo. I expect you to fill the age gap for yourself...

pablo_in_blood

It’s not an ETF lol

IMprojects

Bitcoin is not the same as the ETF. Buying the ETF is not the same as bitcoin. If you want to understand, go to YouTube and watch What’s the Problem?” By @satsvsfiat . We’re currently looking to get it in to schools, it’s that easy to understand.

__The__Anomaly__

It is not an ETF. If you think about it, dollars are also just an "imaginary" coin that people place value on. The paper notes are only worth something because people place a value on it. So let's start point by point: Q: What is a blockchain? A: A blockchain is a data structure which is made up of a chain of blocks of data. Each block contains a bunch of transaction recordings (A sends to B 5 bitcoin, B sends to C 3 bitcoin, C sends to A 1 bitcoin, etc...). The blockchain is public anyone with an internet connection can see it and can see all transactions that have ever taken place. It is the ledger on which all bitcoin transactions are recorded and stored. Q: Where is the blockchain stored? A: The blockchain is stored and verified by anyone running a node. So there is no central authority storing it, the whole community stores it and checks it for validity. So it's stored and verified democratically and in a decentralized way. Q: Is bitcoin imaginary? Where does the bitcoin exist? What makes you "have" bitcoin? A: You have bitcoin, because on the blockchain (which is the ledger where all bitcoin transactions are recorded) there is a transaction which says that someone sent you bitcoin and you have not yet send that bitcoin to anyone else. Q: So where did the person who sent you the bitcoin get their bitcoin from? A: Either someone else sent it to them, or they mined it, which means that there is transaction on the blockchain which says "I generate myself out of thin air some bitcoin". Q: What?! You can generate bitcoin out of thin air? A: Only under very specific conditions. Only if you are the one who gets to add a block of transactions to the blockchain. Q: Who decides who gets to add a block to the chain? A: The person who solves a difficult math problem first gets to add a block to the chain. Typically this takes a huge amount of computation power. There are many many miners in competition at any given time to try to be the one who solves the math problem and gets to add the next block (and generate themselves some free bitcoin). This creates a lot of decentralization in who updates the blockchain. Q: What if the one who gets to add a block to the chain maliciously tries to generate themselves more bitcoin than they are allowed or records wrong transactions? A: Then the next person who gets to add a block (which almost certainly will not be the same person) simply adds their block to the block one block down rather than to the malicious one. In that way the malicious block does not become part of the chain and simply withers away like a dead branch. This also means that the person who tried to add the malicious block wasted their precious opportunity to get some (legitimate) free bitcoin.

DreamingTooLong

What makes you think an ETF is something tangible? Most ETFs just represent a different ETF or a basket of ETFs. Bitcoin is something with a fixed maximum supply with rules that can’t be changed. There is a 4 year cycle Each cycle is 210,000 ten minute blocks It takes 33 of these four year cycles for all 21 million bitcoins to be completely mined. This process cannot be sped up or slowed down because there’s a difficulty adjustment every 2016 ten minute blocks There is 1460 days in four years. It takes 400 days from 4 year high price to reach a 4 year bottom. It takes 1060 days to go from a 4 year bottom price to the next 4 year high price.

Void_Sloth

Digital is not the same as "imaginary". Digital things are real. Bitcoin is not an ETF. [https://fwc.widen.net/s/vbgwdtmnrf/1012662.6.0---fdas-bitcoin-first-revisited-v1](https://fwc.widen.net/s/vbgwdtmnrf/1012662.6.0---fdas-bitcoin-first-revisited-v1)

Appropriate_Toe7522

Crypto didn’t get adopted, it got gentrified. The suits moved in, opened an ETF café, and now the weird neighbors are just price action

perplexed121

You don't need fraud to have paper Bitcoin in the system. Not at all. In the overall gold market, paper gold i.e. synthetic gold contracts are 2x - 3x the physical gold market. The most common way significant paper Bitcoin will enter the system is that as the tradfi linked Bitcoin ecosystem matures, more and more products will be created which will be able to successfully (at least in normal market conditions) track the price of bitcoin via swaps and other derivatives etc. Banks will chop this risk a dozen different ways with left tail risks absorbed by large pools of physical bitcoin - think of it as selling insurance. A significant part of the market - especially institutional will use these products as part of various portfolio and trading strategies. Thus, demand which otherwise could only be satisfied by buying physical bitcoin will be satisfied via paper bitcoin. A version of this will happen in the ETF space as well - ETFs which provide a better return because they lend out bitcoin, ETFs which provide a return kicker by adding a mix of synthetic strategies and physical exposure. This is the normal tradfi way!

110010010011

I think you’ve got it. Assuming the system is working and the regulators are monitoring, it’s not possible for there to be huge discrepancies between an ETF’s paper distributions and real BTC holdings. Buying an ETF is saying you have confidence in the following: 1. Government regulators who monitor the books. 2. The security of the BTC held by the fund. Bitcoin maximalists will hold severe distrust in both points and therefore avoid the ETFs. I personally think, though they make good points, that their distrust is exaggerated.

Apprehensive-Bar3425

The answer is crime. If the ETF lies and doesn’t actually hold the underlying bitcoin. Then it’s just paper bitcoin not real bitcoin

St3v3-O

Wow! Thank you for your efforts and insights. Much appreciated! You inspired me to look for an ETF index myself that follows the top10 crypto tokens. As an ETF regularly rebalance themselves I think this is an easier approach (with less transaction fees and risk of losing my private key)

Frogolocalypse

Some people recognize, perhaps fairly, that they do not have the technical skills or life circumstances to be able to secure bitcoin themselves. Everyone chooses the the risk appetite accept, and what mitigations they choose to implement. ETF's are not for me. I have enough exposure to bitcoin. But everyone gets to do whatever they want with their bitcoin. If they choose to let someone else mitigate a perceived risk, that's their prerogative.

yldf

I stand by my opinion that for the vast majority of people, in the current state, where Bitcoin has little to no utility, buying Bitcoin directly is a bad choice and they are better off buying exposure indirectly, through ETFs or similar products (not MSTR, though, that’s something very different). For average users, and that includes the majority of this sub, securing and backing up a wallet properly is not achievable. They would be better off having the convenience of a regulated broker. This is also what makes ETF exposure superior to centralized exchanges, your assets are better protected. Holding Bitcoin directly in your own wallet is only reasonable for users with advanced technical knowledge. And considering how many people think it sufficient to buy a hardware wallet and store a backup copy of the seed phrase somewhere in your house is frightening. It’s better than average, but certainly insufficient.

federiconuss

Not at the moment, it's focused on direct BTC purchases only. But I'll definitely keep ETF support in mind for future updates. Thanks for the suggestion!

noviwu97

There's barely a demand for ETH ETF.

InclineDumbbellPress

Is there even demand for a DOT ETF?

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; The US SEC has delayed its decision on approving an ETF for Polkadot's native token, DOT, extending the deadline to June 11. Grayscale and 21Shares are among asset managers seeking approval for Polkadot ETFs, adding to a list of around 70 proposed crypto-related ETFs. Polkadot, a layer-1 blockchain, has a market cap of $6.6 billion. Analysts suggest demand for altcoin ETFs may be limited compared to Bitcoin and Ether funds, despite growing institutional interest in crypto investments. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

DasRedBeard87

I'm sure in the long run they most likely will since BTC can go up and down drasticly at the drop of a pin. But IMO both assets are basically ever going to go up in the long run. BTC might be the face of the new world currency but Gold is gold and it will never go away. Now I'm curious, are we talking Gold as in Gold ETFs? Or actual physical coins and bars? If it's ETFs then I would most likely sell. Gold ETFs make about as much sense to me as a BTC ETF (with YBTC being the exception) because why would I buy stock in an ETF when I could have direct exposure to the Asset itself.

rajface

Please have some foresight into the upcoming AI economy. Digital coins will be the centerpiece and Bitcoin will be the final settlement layer. Sell ETF exposure for profit, but not the actual coin unless you are in dire straits.

420osrs

I'm going to have a controversial opinion. If ETFs are Increasing their supply and they are using Coinbase as the AP to buy the coins they would go from the exchange into the ETF. This does not decrease liquidity because they can go the other direction just as fast. If you mark the day the ETFs were available for tried and then look at the rough ETF size and then adjust the exchange decrease by the ETF holdings, the line is about flat. I'm not saying this is bearish or bullish. I'm just saying that this isn't as obvious of a sign that it appears. It's not like exchange reserves are going down by 500k BTC every six months and there will be zero liquidity by 2027. 

FicklePrinciple2369

I think he argues that if you just use it as a store of value (read: fiat value), the majority of the bitcoin will be captured in the fiat system in ETF, on exchanges and the like and fail because the fiat system will have control over it.

naminghell

Ah now I see where you're coming from. But how is this different from having a FIAT-only "portfolio" or a stocks/ETF portfolio? >When BTC has reached its nominal value, it will only keep up with true inflation. Agreed again, but I think we have a different opinion on where that "nominal value" is. >I think that with a average job and some normal DCA, we're beyond the point that you are going to have enough to retire from. This might be true but also impossible to generalize.

Conscious-Opposite88

BTC ETF IS COPY OF BITCOIN, with unlimited supply!

Angus-420

I’d wager the vast majority of lost btc was lost a long time ago, when it was significantly less valuable, and its future far less certain. With institutions and ETF’s now holding significant BTC, and offering investors an indirect line of exposure, and with people growing more aware of how to handle BTC storage / transactions, I think we will approach a relatively low asymptotic percentage of lost btc to the point that it doesn’t necessitate further subdivision.

pcm2a

I don't know anything about it. But Grayscale was the one that had their initial fees at 1.5% and all their customers moved to other banks for cheaper BTC ETF fees. Doesn't give me much faith in them. I do see that ETF on Fidelity, so it's an option.

pcm2a

People can say that a hardware wallet is best, however....you can't invest some of your IRA into BTC/ETH using a hardware wallet, but you can get the ETF. Lose your keys or your keys are compromised, your crypto is gone. Not going to have that issue with an ETF. If your grandma wants $100 of Bitcoin, ETF is the way to go. Fees. Franklin EZET .19 Bitwise ETHW .20 21Shares CETH .21 Fidelity FETH .25 IShares ETHA .25 Unless you have a lot of money in it, the fee difference will be meaningless. $10k investment is the difference of $19-$25 in yearly fees.

Generationhodl

I'm in bitcoin only since a lot of years. Never regretted it. But it takes balls, because in some years, my whole portfolio was down 70-80%. I never was too stressed out, always bought more, but it was hard and sad to see because you know what you had just before the crash. But in the end.. there will probably always be a new ath. the only way I see myself buying some All-World-ETF is when I take out some money to live off for 2-3 years - because the ETFs don't move down that much. So I would park some money in that ETF for a potential bear market.

Electrical_Invite552

Always been about 10% in BTC and rest of my portfolio in a safe ETF. Going 50/50 now fuck it life's short. I wanna retire early from my physical job.

AllUrUpsAreBelong2Us

I use Fidelity for the FBTC ETF. I would not trust anyone with my keys.

External-Advice860

put BTC in the custody (for instance BTC ETF) and inheritance problem solved.

radiocrime

Again, for the billionth time people: NOT YOUR KEYS, NOT YOUR COINS! The Bitcoin in an ETF does NOT belong to the people that park their money there! When you invest in an ETF, you are NOT buying spot Bitcoin. ETF’s actually go against the agile idea that BTC was created for in the first place; financial freedom, financial sovereignty, an off-ramp to leave a broken fiat system and opt out of a system that will eventually collapse on itself. ETF’s are simply an extension of the broken fiat system that uses Bitcoin as a way to drive profit, and goes against the ethos of BTC and what it was intended for as an alternative money by Satoshi Nakamoto. I’ll take purchasing spot Bitcoin and taking custody of my own coins, thank you very much… So there’s your answer. And that’s why you don’t “just buy a bitcoin ETF”…

should-happen-2025

Wow you 2 guys really spent a lot of time arguing! Joking aside, there is an important difference between ETF and self-custody (aside from personal safety in case of apocaliptic scenarios), namely: if you allow others to custody your btc, you allow them to do paper-bitcoin games and manipulate the market price. I get it if you feel safer using ETF, but please keep in mind that in doing so you contribute to an environment that allow custodians to do all the paper-games. Peace and love everybody

Leopardos

Thats why invisting in bitcoin is dangerous if you have people to inherit it ... Buy BTC ETF .... Much easier and safer... And lets not forget getting ur Bitcoin lost or hacked.

the_bueg

It should be noted that there is an additional risk with bitcoin futures, that doesn't exist with most other futures - except perhaps commodities - or anything I guess but with BTC there is a mathematically hard-coded inherent risk, unlike the fuzzyier risk of other futures. That is, the hard-coded finite supply of BTC. Which is what idiotically also makes it "digital gold", but also introduces this additional risk. Already, there is more Bitcoin in wallets (real) + exchanges (ledgers), than will ever actually be emitted. ETFs and futures make this fractional reserve problem worse, especially as they become more popular. Just something to be aware of. Personally, I can't speculate how BIG of a risk it is. I'd assume not huge, but I really don't know. I don't think anyone in this sub would let their BTC sit on an exchange or ETF though, so probably not a real problem here. Everyone has heard the mantra "not your keys..." quite enough, presumably.

GoldAd3739

What are the pros and cons of buying a Bitcoin ETF instead of using a crypto exchange?

dentguy888

You can only trade an ETF during trading hours so if it’s Saturday and BTC goes on a run you can’t sell.

Numerous_Ruin_4947

These could drive stronger demand for ETH: * ETH Spot ETF with staking yield exposure * Lower interest rates boosting appetite for risk/yield * Growing narrative of ETH as both a store of value and a yield-bearing asset I always saw ETH as store of value. It's up 150,000% against the dollar since inception. BTC has been shilled via Meat Head Marketing: Price will go up, BTC will go to $1 million and beyond. ETH had Meat Head Marketing in 2021. Somehow that went away. Not sure why though. ETH is a scarce asset that gives yield. Store of Value should have been marketed as one of it's main utilities. Instead people tried to focus on TPS, scaling, etc. to try and assign value to ETH. You need a bunch of shillers on TV, YouTube, X, Reddit. etc. claiming ETH is a great store of value, provides yield, has lower inflation than BTC and a better economic security, and to top it off, has the highest TVL and RWAs on chain. It is also the OG Smart Contract Chain. So it deserves a very high valuation.

ThreeTonChonker

> I'm not Canadian, maybe the Tim Horton references would land more on a Canadian. Oh ok so you just post in Canadian subs because you’re a troll > I have a diversified portfolio and Tim Hortons and crypto aren't included. Cool bro I hope your S&P 500 ETF hasn’t dropped too much in the past month. > A ponzi scheme is something that requires an infinite supply of fools and their capital to continue. Once crypto runs out of fools willing to pay more for a Bitcoin, the game is over. Oh ok so literally any commodity including stocks, real estate, gold, basically everything that humans assigned value to is a ponzi. Got it. You sure are deep and intelligent. > Yall cultists were proclaiming bitcoin would be $1m in 2020, it's not even 100k half a decade later. The rise of bitcoin is slowing dramatically and will continue to slow. Stocks will outpace crypto more and more as time goes on. People will get tired of losing their money to crypto scams and crypto rugpulls and look at the diminishing returns and they won't see it as a get rich quick scheme anymore. Oh no it only rose 10,000% and is by far the best investment of the past decade, I’m so sad. > I don't need crypto to make money with my money. Nobody does except criminals, money launderers, scammers, and frauds. Just put my fries in the bag and go back to trolling some other sub where people pretend to give a shit about what you think.

kstorm88

I'm upset vanguard doesn't allow any crypto ETF in IRA'S. Too risky, yet I could put my entire account into 0dte options

vijsha79

Paying a financial advisor to buy Bitcoin ETF 🧐 Nothing wrong with buying ETFs but you in a retirement account why not hold something like MSTR which would give better returns and you don’t own keys in both cases.

bangEnergyBoomer

The only downside is that you have to pay fees for owning the ETF. You don’t pay fees to hold it on coinbase

meccaleccahimeccahi

All these people are talking about not your keys make me lol. ETF’s aren’t about owning bitcoin per se. But my 401(k) allows me to have a profitable thing to buy that I know will outgrow everything else in the next 10 years. So yes, I did buy a shit ton of it.

annoyed_meows

I have 670 IBIT ETF shares in IRA and taxable accounts. I didn't want to put energy into owning Bitcoin so owning this and retirement account benefit got me buying.i I bought since inception and im up pretty well atm, impressed with it's recent pump while all my equities are beaten the fuck down. It's pretty easy to do. But if you buy now it might take a while to see gains. A strategy I have is to wait a little until it's down then buy. Always the risk that it simply won't go down. But it swings enough that you can catch some dip buying. Or make it easy and buy on auto weekly or whatever. Manual purchasing keeps me engaged.

Rude_Man_Who_Shushes

With the profit you make from the ETF vs the performance of a typical stock or fund, you can take an early withdrawal, eat the penalty, and still be up….plus have more actual bitcoin.

fukidtiots

Except for all the reasons to buy a BTC ETF like tax exempt accounts and ease of use and simple futures buying. Yeah, literally zero reasons to use a BTC ETF. Not sure about you, but I'd love my BTC to grow tax free in a Roth.

Top_Taro_17

It’s the only way - for now - to get bitcoin exposure in a Roth IRA. Interestingly, legislation has been proposed which would allow actual Bitcoin to be in a Roth, similar to gold/silver. But the downside of a Bitcoin ETF is they’re not your coins.

Designer_Speech8942

If you are in the U.S., you’ll need a parent to open a custodial brokerage account for you. When you turn 18, you will convert it into a cash account in your name and your assets will be transferred. You can open these custodial account with most of the major brokerages. Fidelity, Charles Schwab and E*Trade are all low-cost and routinely handle these conversions. I’m sure that other brokerages do as well but I’m most familiar with the three listed above. Since you are new to crypto, you may want to purchase a bitcoin ETF (e.g. IBIT, FBTC, BTCO, etc.) first. This will give you an exposure to bitcoin without the issues surrounding custody. In the interim, learn about bitcoin and other cryptos. Financial planner Ric Edelman wrote a book for beginners in 2023 that isn’t too out of date. Start with that, find some reputable crypto YouTube channels (e.g. Digital Asset News, InvestAnswers, Anthony Pompliano’s channel, etc.) and subscribe. Learn about proof-of-work vs proof-of-stake, crypto cycles, fiat money, M2 (money supply), self-custody, and hot wallets vs cold wallets. Give yourself a year of study before you start buying cryptos themselves. Take your time, there is a lot to absorb … and none of it is intuitive. Remember, there are no shortcuts but you have an awesome headstart over your peers. Good luck.

External-Advice860

For me it is: 1. Well managed inheritance 2. More secure as self-custody 3. Taxation benefits For an average normies and beginners, I would suggest BTC ETF over self-custody.

Imaginary-Effect733

I own multiple shares in the ETF. My purchase price was only $55 but if bitcoin goes up 10% then the share of the ETF is worth $60.50

SmoothGoing

No tax on ETF gains in Roth IRA.

integrityandcivility

1) Not your keys, not your crypto 2) If you already bought BTC including exchange fees, why do you need a third party to pay additional funds to above and beyond the exchange fees that you have already successfully navigated? Literally zero point to a BTC ETF in my mind, unless one is too anxious about actually transacting and holding BTC him or herself.

omg_its_dan

The majority of people will never own real Bitcoin on chain and that’s ok. Most mid to late adopters will only get exposure via proxies like the ETF. The important point is that the cold storage option is still there for those who want it and have the ability to set it up securely.

NoUsernameFound179

The reason why i keep it in an ETF and Coinbase. Otherwise if i die, pretty sure you'll thank me for my service. I love you guys, but I rather have my wife and kid be able to enjoy it in an easy way.

HSuke

This is even worse than holding BTC through an ETF, which at least has legal guarantees of holdings. [Twenty One - I Don't Care](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MgAxMO1KD0)

Rando1ph

I went in big and caught the falling knife. I'm up now, not a lot but better than down. I have some I've had for years in my Robinhood account, not a small amount either, that's up 200%+. But I'm talking about some IRA money I pulled out of the stock market and went into a Bitcoin ETF. Fingers crossed, I don't lose my ass. If anything time is on my side, got a while until retirement. But I could sell today and even make a bit, I'd be down if I kept it in the market. I plan on holding, not my first day in crypto.

Fiach_Dubh

obligatory PSA: MSTR stock, bItCoIN ETF's, and other stocks are not BITCOIN. They're paper IOU's Buy The Real Thing and HODL it in Self Custody

ezpdt

"But! Gold works offline." Gold is both online (ETF) and offline (Physical). BTC is as well (Physical Cards + Air Gapped Phone/Tablet/Laptop).

Ok_Score9113

1. Deflation is not the negative thing it’s made out to be. Deflation prevents people from consuming for the sake of it and putting their capital to unproductive uses. If doesn’t change human desires and wants. If someone wants something, they will part with their money, but only if it’s truly valuable them. That actually makes for a better society because it doesn’t force people into consumerism just because they know their money is going to be worth less tomorrow. Look at TV’s - they are deflationary, but if someone wants a TV they buy it, because it’s valuable to them in the moment 2. This is not a Bitcoin issue or an issue relating to any specific form of money. It exists in fiat too. But those people will have to spend their Bitcoin when they want goods and services, so it will move. And if people are hoarding, then the amount of money chasing after goods and services will be less, therefore the prices of those things will fall in line with demand and things will be affordable for those who are not hoarding. 3. People will be incentivised to invest into things which they have a genuine passion for, see true value in, or get a genuinely good return from. What you probably mean is people won’t chuck money at unproductive businesses and companies for the sake of earning a return just to outpace inflation, which is a good thing. 40% of publicly listed companies are zombie companies yet they receive money from investors that should be put to more productive uses in society, just because they’re included in some index fund or ETF. Bitcoin doesn’t discourage investment in ventures, it discourages unproductive investments Hope that helps, just my opinion of course

pcm2a

Will big banks provide an ETF if they know it's going to lose all of the investor money, probably in a short period of time? I guess they let ARK on there....

partymsl

So... the TRUMP ETF has arrived at last.

erict009

Can you go short on an ETF?

Amber_Sam

Would it be wise to plant a tree today? Should I do it now or wait for it to go sunnier and plant from there? Thank you. Sorry OP but that's what it reads like. We all have been where you're at, read/bookmark this guide and make sure to learn along your journey. Congrats on the move, it's never too late. ONLY INVEST MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE. Invest in your knowledge, learn about Bitcoin as much as you can. The Bitcoin Standard book is a must read. So is Broken Money book. Get them and READ them both, please. Also, **don't reply any DMs**, emails, private messages on other social media, promising to buy Bitcoin from them or get rich quick and read this short guide, please: **Price wise, nobody knows what the price will be tomorrow, next week or at the end of the year.** **Try "Bitcoin ONLY" strategy for at least the first 210,000 block cycle**, you'll sleep much better. Newcomers lose so much money, holding garbage tokens just because someone on YT told them to. If you don't like losing money in [failed coins](https://www.coingecko.com/research/publications/how-many-cryptocurrencies-failed), avoid. Going DCA is probably the best approach, IMHO. Bitcoin to me, is a savings account. If I have some spare cash, I exchange it for sats. Once a week works best for me, but I'm getting paid weekly. If there's a 10% drop in the price since my last buy, I usually double my buy. This [DCA calculator](https://dca.bitnob.com/) might help to decide what will work best for you. In a few years, even $10 dollars a month can make a massive difference. This [DCA blog](https://er-bybitcoin.com/) is pretty interesting. Now, don't buy a fake Bitcoin at a spot ETF place or similar, **get the real thing** that you can withdraw anytime you want. Register at a proper exchange and buy real Bitcoin. Any of these will do [https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin](https://bitcoin-only.com/get-bitcoin) Install (or buy - in case you're getting Bitcoin in Thousands of $) one or more of these wallets. A few good wallet choices: [https://blockstream.com/green/](https://blockstream.com/green/) \- Top Security Features, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://bluewallet.io](https://bluewallet.io/) \- excellent, easy to use wallet, Open Source and Non-Custodial [https://www.sparrowwallet.com](https://www.sparrowwallet.com) - top desktop wallet [https://electrum.org](https://electrum.org/) \- Solid choice, Open Source and Non-Custodial, one of the oldest and most trusted Bitcoin Wallets. I prefer the desktop version but it works on mobile too. Lightning wallets to consider (cheaper and faster transactions, great for small amounts): [https://phoenix.acinq.co/](https://phoenix.acinq.co/) \- Phoenix - very good wallet, uses Tor for extra privacy, easy for anyone new [https://blixtwallet.github.io/](https://blixtwallet.github.io/) \- Blixt - great UI, fast and clean [https://breez.technology](https://breez.technology/) \- Breez - excellent POS for small business owners as well as integrated Bitrefill or LN Pizza [https://zeusln.com/](https://zeusln.com/) Zeus - impressive wallet with many features, can even generate Nostr keys Hardware Wallets (to store larger amounts): [Trezor](https://trezor.io/) \- Easy to use, no matter how new in Bitcoin you're. Use the Bitcoin only firmware as it's safer than a multi coin software. [ColdCard](https://coldcardwallet.com/) - air gapped, Bitcoin only, has advanced features but a new user will do fine with one of the great tutorials available. [BitBox02](https://bitbox.swiss/bitbox02/bitcoin-only/) - another great little device, opt for the more secure Bitcoin ONLY version (less coins = less code = less chance for a hidden bug or a backdoor) [Jade](https://blockstream.com/jade) - air gapped, fully open source, Bitcoin only, great features. You can even [build it on your own](https://github.com/Blockstream/jade/), if you feel adventurous. [Seedsigner](https://github.com/SeedSigner/seedsigner) - another DIY, fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, not for you if you're just starting up but something to consider later. [Krux wallet](https://selfcustody.github.io/krux/) - one more DIY hardware device, I love this one for many reasons. Similar to Seedsigner, it's fully open source, air gapped, Bitcoin only hardware wallet, that is not for you right now if you're just starting up, but something to consider at a later stage and/or to up the security of your bitcoin. There's also Ledger, but I wouldn't recommend it as it's not fully open source, keep and already leaked customers' details, recently said they're capable of sending customers' keys out just with a firmware update, etc. **Stay away**, save yourself a headache in the future. Whatever wallet you'll decide to buy, purchase DIRECTLY from the manufacturer, no eBay, no Amazon. Make sure the device is NOT preset, and you will generate your own seed words. Write them down on any piece of paper as well as the receiving address. Now wipe the wallet and generate a new wallet. If the seed words are different from the first set, you're safe to use it. Find an option to set a passphrase and use it. This will boost the security to another level. Never store the seed words and passphrase together. Use a different medium if possible. If somebody finds both, they'll be able to steal your coin. This little device will hold the keys to your money, that's the reason why you have to be a bit more careful. Also, no worries, if it breaks, you can replace it - as long as you keep your seed words and passphrase(s) safe. Welcome to the rabbit hole and don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions anytime during your Bitcoin journey. Also, [check the sidebar](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/about) that's filled with lots of great info and if you have any questions, visit r/BitcoinBeginners or r/Bitcoin and look for the answers.

GreedVault

From memecoin to stablecoin to ETF, at this rate, TRUMP memecoin ETF doesn’t seem so far-fetched.

inShambles3749

Two con artist companies merge together to launch an ETF. If that isn't shady idk. I'd stay far far away from.that garbage

Guilty_Fisherman5168

Do u think they are going to put their rug Americans first coins in that ETF?

Kingmendicant

Simple truth... pure economics. More people think it is worth more than think it is worth less. That is the only real answer...the rest is a guess. Bitcoin is volatile and unfortunately many buy it on margin, which is a big gamble I am unwilling to play. But do to this fact, when it drops significantly on stupid news, it causes the value to drop low enough to cause margin calls, causing it to drop precipitously. \* Note: Good time to buy in. That said, if you want my guess... Bitcoin is a world class asset. Everyone should buy it. Everyone should own some. Some are aware of this fact, and some (most) are not, even oblivious and fearful. Bitcoin is better than gold for a multitude of reasons (portability, easy and cheap to purchase, easy and cheap to store, easy and cheap to sell, cheap to transact or transfer (even internationally), and there will never be more than 21 million, causing it to be truly deflationary), all of which even Gold cannot do, as more Gold is mined every year and the end is nowhere in sight. Gold is expensive to buy, expensive to store, expensive to transfer from one place to another, and expensive to sell. While I understand the value and history of gold, compared to Bitcoin, it is a waste of money. It has severely under-performed Bitcoin in any 4 year cycle, and Gold goes back to normal eventually... Bitcoin, not so much. We know this. The banks are quite aware but until recently were unable to purchase it. Now...they can. ETF's are forming in droves ( and not just for Bitcoin, but for cryptocurrencies across the board). It is becoming mainstream. Banks want to control it. They are looking how to get in on the cheap, and will sneakily snatch up anything the retail sellers sell of BTC when made available. Unfortunately, retail sellers like you and I can be sucked in and become victims of emotion. Emotions cause people to sell when they shouldn't (and buy when they shouldn't too). Truthfully, none of the news has anything to do with the actual value of Bitcoin. Sadly, this emotion is what caused the selloff recently...fear of tariffs which may affect the world trade of some goods in specific markets, but verily has no relationship or connection to Bitcoin other than stupid emotion. Since we all subconsciously know the true value of Bitcoin is more than it is valued currently, and the banks and now government agencies are continuing to buy in, any inclination of normalcy causes the retail market to stop acting crazy and see the light... in this case, Trump simply said he wasn't planning to fire the FED chair. He should be fired, or quit, as he is terrible at every turn, but it is not something Trump has the power to do, as the FED is non-political. He previously tweeted he shoudl be fired which made the crazies sell the previous day in a panic thinking he would usurp this power... but he didn't, and now the crazies look stupid. My suggestion is... wait for the crazies to say something stupid. Then watch the market drop to the unrelated news. At the very least, HODL, but truly....Stack if you can!!

MurphMurphyAK

FBTC which I hold in my retirement account is referred to as an ETF BY FIDELITY. Go read about FTX and paper bitcoin. I’m not sure if you don’t understand the concept or you just have not heard of it. I’ll give you an example you will relate to, you go buy 10 identical banana hammocks at Target. I’m sure you are in fly over country so let’s say Topeka. You only need two now and have no place to store the rest in your trailer. So you leave the other 8 at the store to pick up when the thong rips. Your 8 thongs are put back on the rack, your buddy needs 4 hammocks. He buys those and is on his way. The store has collected sales on 14 units but only 6 have left the store. The next shipment comes next week. What happens when you throw a party and come to collect your 8 hammocks but only 6 remain? That’s paper bitcoin. If you want to get in a pissing contest, we can higher a 3rd party fiduciary to determine who holds more bitcoin and who has a bigger Richard. I’ll split the cost with you. Private school then Cornell, Topeka state is a great fit for you bud. Everyone is very proud.

Honest_Corn_Farmer

Remember Chris Pan who got booed at the OSU commencement speech for bring up bitcoin? [https://www.reddit.com/r/Columbus/comments/1cl4epr/reaction\_to\_chris\_pan\_mentioning\_bitcoin\_at\_osus/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Columbus/comments/1cl4epr/reaction_to_chris_pan_mentioning_bitcoin_at_osus/) They still resent him for it almost a year later, AFTER bitcoin ETF approval and SBR promise: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Columbus/comments/1i2ofax/newly\_released\_emails\_from\_ohio\_state\_detail/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Columbus/comments/1i2ofax/newly_released_emails_from_ohio_state_detail/) Respect the fate people insist on themselves.

Historical-Buff777

I highly recommend 25-30% in CRO. It has a huge potential this coming year. Check out Kris’ interview. Today he started following through on the ETF announcement and the market responded quickly. If he follows through on everything, CRO can grow tenfold or even more within one year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpk8W4Tb8cg&ab_channel=CryptoCom

Onauto

XRP. It IS decentralized. Ripple is not. People always get that wrong. It’s the future of global trade and finance. Currently number 3 crypto built by bitcoiners. Relationships with 300 institutions, partners with BofA, 7% of South Korea uses it almost daily. Japan lowered taxes on XRP from 50% to 15% and 80% of their banks have been approved to use it. UAE and India just completed an oil deal using it. Candidate for the FedNow system. Possible replacement of the SWIFT system but more likely, SWIFT will integrate XRP to stay relevant. Named first for the US crypto stockpile. Connections with WEF, IMF, and many governments. Likely to surpass ETH and has versatile functionality. 19 ETF’s filed, Tokenization of RWA, cross border payments, NFC’s, DeFi getting there, leveraged trading now available. There’s too much to list. It’s the chosen coin. I have high coinfidance in its future.

MixtapeNostalgia

I don't understand the hatred for gold. Even the dude that discovered the Bitcoin Power Law agrees that a 75/25 BTC/Gold portfolio is the absolute best position one can hold long term. And I don't think I can disagree with that, either. My HSA is set up that way, and I'm thinking of doing the same with my IRA (DCA into an ETF of each asset). Actual Bitcoin, though, is the majority of my portfolio, along with ~1% into some 3x ETFs (TQQQ, UPRO, SOXL, MIDU, TNA).

PatoMachete94

I’m 76% BTC, 13% MSTY and 11% BLK LP 2055 Fund (Company RRSP). I would love to move that 11% to a BTC ETF but SunLife doesn’t offers any BTC product, yet.

drugv2

May: PECTRA update comes and allows validator staking >2000 eth, making it fantastically easier for whales/institutions June: US fed rates may go lower than the eth staking APY July: ETH ETF staking may be approved and all the etf providers rushing for a form amendament to allow staking. Further things down the line: RWA's coming on-chain( Fidelity, Blackrock, BNY mellon) and stablecoin growth. Scaling the L1 is \*now\* primary focus of vitalik's EF as well as the new EF. - Increase speed, lower fees even more, increase burn. MegaETH is becoming a better Solana than Solana.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; BlackRock and MicroStrategy now hold more Bitcoin (BTC) than its creator, Satoshi Nakamoto. BlackRock’s spot BTC ETF holds 573,187 BTC, while MicroStrategy owns 538,200 BTC, totaling 1,111,387 BTC. This surpasses the estimated 1.1 million BTC attributed to Satoshi. However, unlike Satoshi's self-mined BTC, BlackRock and MicroStrategy's holdings are encumbered, with millions of shareholders and legal claims tied to them. Satoshi remains the wealthiest individual crypto owner despite institutional centralization. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.