Reddit Posts
Mentions
Being able to borrow against tokenized SP500 would be godly.
32 yo here, I’m 80-90% btc and hoping to have the option to retire early but if the btc play doesn’t work out my 10-20% SP500 will be enough to sustain retirement at 65
Diversification based on your risk tolerance. As much as we hate on the buttcoiners for not putting in 10% in case we’re right, we should hedge our bets (to some extent) in case we’re wrong. It’s certainly not a bad approach to put 50% in BTC and 50% in SP500. Turn the knob left or right depending on what you can stomach.
We can nitpick it but your conclusion would still be reasonable. SP500 returns barely keep up with money priniting. This week I also learned that Gold has now outperformed S&P500 for last 10 year and 25 years. And Gold does not capture anything but currency debasement, so just confirms your observation on M2. And from what it looks like, money printing is going to have to move into higher gear with our current macro situation. Yes, I need more BTC!
The index usually doesn't include dividends, which are a substantial portion of returns. You'd need to compare against SPY or the SP total return index.
That’s exactly why you keep SP safe!
It was the earnings report that qualified them to be included in the SP500, no? I remember that they barely made it.
it's also gonna beat the stock market aka the SP500 FYI... in traditional finance, the SP500 is the unit of measure everyone compares themselves to... if you're a fund that can beat the SP500, you're considered a genius! And just HODling bitcoin, you beat the SP500. That makes anyone in trad finance who doesn't want to own bitcoin an absolute moron
Only the company with the SP 500 flair are in the SP 500 index, Microstrategy doesn't have the flair
MicroStrategy isn't in the SP 500 yet.
In stocks, the metric to beat is the SP500. That gives average annual returns of 10% In crypto, the metric to beat is Bitcoin. The average return the past 5 years is about 50%. So what I'm saying is if you do like many peeps here---bought a meme coin, made 6000% and then promptly lost everything in another meme coin, you would have been better off just HODling bitcoin.
I have a 403b Roth through my employer. They match up to 3.5%. I invest it all into the SP500. It's a guaranteed immediate 50% return on my investment into a tax advantaged account that I can withdraw the principal balance on at anytime. I agree holding Bitcoin is a good idea but having some diversity protects you as well. My personally portfolio is owning a home, stocks, bitcoin and having a 6 month emergency fund in a high yield savings account or money market fund.
Fidelty Roth IRA can be a good option to buy Bitcoin, then cash out upon retirement tax free. You can put in $7000 a year You don't actually own Bitcoin this way, you'll cash out at retirement at the cash amount the Bitcoin is worth. It's tax free tho. You could cash out at retirement, then buy Bircoin with said cash if you prefer or just enjoy the tax free cash you have now $7000 invested at 18 years old, assuming at least 10% gains per year, then retire at 67. Those 49 years of 10% gains equals $747,032.70 at the age of 67. That's from only that 1 single investment of $7000 at age 18. Think of how well off you could be if you maxed out your Roth IRA every year wirh $7000. You'd be very well off Even if you don't go heavy into Bitcoin, you can use Roth IRA ro invest in SP500 too which would average about 10% per year I think Bitcoin will do more than 10% per year on average. We'll see tho
Who? Strategy? And…? Why has this narrative of “institutional money is entering at a large scale” come from? Out of the SP500 only 40 hold BTC. Less than 10%. Only 9 hold more than 10k. And ~50% hold less than 500. Yes that’s a lot of BTC relative to retail, but when you say “institutions are buying” that implies hundreds of billions. Every headline you see of “Blackrock, fidelity.. bought x billion in BTC” it’s not them. It’s retail. Companies have hardly dipped their toes in. Apple has like $400Billion of free capital, just Apple. When institutions actually start taking BTC seriously we will know.
isnt 0,4% yearly crazy crazy crazy low? like, totally way too low. like, it would be even way too low if you only have sp500. People using 3-4% Withdrawrate with the SP500 and the SP500 "only" gives 10% on average. Bitcoin will give way more than that for many years to come. I understand being careful not to sell too much, but heck, bitcoin's CAGR the last years was crazy high.
Invest in the SP500, the miracle of compound intrest will have you rich in 30 years. Yes, that does sound like a long time at your age. I get it, you want to get rich quick (who doesn't?) But it's really not that simple. Slow and steady wins the race 95% of the time. Don't make the mistake thinking you are the 5%. Stay down to earth and you'll win big later on in life. Time is on your side at your age.
I am not going after the 1.000.000% return argument here. Look at the past few years, months, it just responds better to liquidity. Buying bitcoin is like buying the ultimate index fund. You’d be benefiting from a company innovating in Japan, they would have more money to buy bitcoin, and so on… I know that companies bring value to the world that is undeniable, but when price to earnings get stupid high and businesses are extremely overpriced because people don’t even know where to keep there money, that is when you know you have a problem. Also, investing in businesses is RISKY, companies go bankrupt, there are a million threat vectors on the stocks that have your money. People literally forget that and think the SP500 is a piggy bank 😂. Anyway let’s see how it goes haha, nobody knows what the future brings but it is fun to discuss how things are going to play out.
I am not going after the 1.000.000% return argument here. Look at the past few years, months, it just responds better to liquidity. Buying bitcoin is like buying the ultimate index fund. You’d be benefiting from a company innovating in Japan, they would have more money to buy bitcoin, and so on… I know that companies bring value to the world that is undeniable, but when price to earnings get stupid high and businesses are extremely overpriced because people don’t even know where to keep there money, that is when you know you have a problem. Also, investing in businesses is RISKY, companies go bankrupt, there are a million threat vectors on the stocks that have your money. People literally forget that and think the SP500 is a piggy bank 😂. Anyway guess we’ll see how it goes haha, nobody knows the future, but it is fun to discuss how things are going to play out.
All the actual SP 500 dudes like "wha... how??"
Although I do expect google trends to see a spike similar to the past I also think this “metric” will decline in accuracy over time. Once the average person looks up “Bitcoin” once they think they understand it. “It’s a decentralized ledger that cannot be changed or hacked”. They then either buy it or don’t, and then maybe one day they change their mind. This is an oversimplified idea of the average person, but I’d argue it’s pretty accurate. Most people that invest don’t know what they’re buying, they just know that buying SP500 goes up. So I imagine adding 1-2% BTC is similar in these portfolios. They don’t really know what they’re buying yet they buy it. Overtime I think we’ll see less and less Google trends spikes related to BTC. People think they know what BTC is so they don’t look it up as often.
There is a distinction between ownership and control . For example the largest Bitcoin ETF , Blackrock's IBIT has 735,741 BTC now https://bitcointreasuries.net/etfs-and-exchanges/ishares-bitcoin-trust They don't own these bitcoin , and don't even directly control it either as those bitcoin are held by multiple custodians with them acting as Asset managers . The legal ownership is spread across many individuals and companies who own shares in that ETF Another example is a Publicly traded company like Microstrategy, Inc. that has 607,770 BTC https://bitcointreasuries.net/public-companies/microstrategy Those Bitcoin are owned by all their shareholders and since they are listed in the QQQ ETF and soon will be listed in SPY ETF for inclusion in the SP 500 , their shares are **owned by millions of people** Saylor only has 9.9% equity in MSTR thus you could say that he only owns ~60,169 of those bitcoin
I'd argue that we are somewhere in the late majority, since my 65+ year old parents told me I was stupid for selling my bitcoin for a new laptop. doesn't matter what you believe in, but I think it's fair to say that 100%+/year gains in terms of fiat are long gone, and a more realistic expectation would be 20-30%\~, which still beats SP500. just stay humble and keep stacking sats
I don't think it's going to go to 0. There's too much money that goes into 401ks, that goes into SP500 and NASDAQ100. NASDAQ100 has MSTR which is using all money to buy Bitcoin. MSTR is also on the list to possibe join SP500 as well, which means even more money going into MSTR NH taxes is taking 5% to buy Bitcoin. Texas is using a set amount of cash each year to buy Bitcoin. There's a 3rd state that now has a Bitcoin reserve too i just dont remember which and the amounts. US is buying 200,000 Bitcoins next year, and every year, for total of 5 years. US is buying Bitcoins at any price I just don't think it can go to 0 anymore. at minimum, can't go to 0 in the next 5 years
You realize ETFs only open up more retail money to flow into the asset right to grow the market cap…? And you also realize something called the SP500 also has boom and bust cycles despite being the most ETF’d thing of all time? 🤣
Why don't you look at the constituents of the SP500 50 years ago. Tell us again if you think it's "been around for over a century". The SP500 is an index. Its current constituents mostly did not exist 50 years ago. So yea the concept of buying the largest 500 publicly traded companies in the US has been around awhile, but it's unfair to say the current SP500 has been around for over a century, quite the contrary in fact.
Please unload so you can buy back at $200k If you compare it to gold at 22T market cap. There's a lot of room for growth and Wall Street wants in. Owning a single BTC is the next American dream. Also BTC has outperformed SP500 for last 10 years: https://amplifyetfs.com/wp-content/uploads/files/Asset_Class_Return_Map.pdf BTC have as much as inflows as VTI https://etfdb.com/etf/IBIT/#fund-flows https://etfdb.com/etf/VTI/#fund-flows
The SP500 for one. BTC is fairly correlated with it these days and the annualized returns aren’t that different over the past half decade after fees/costs
I do that for my SP500 ETF because volatility is around ~20% but not for BTC which can drop fast 40/50% you will get liquidated with margin call.
SP500 just hit another ATH, we're primed for the next move after this small correction. Let's go.
Hi Bram, you should start making a podcast episode about the impact of the upcoming box 3 changes, because that has the potential to turn the whole Bitcoin thesis upside down and tax Dutch people back into poverty. At least if you want to stay honest about your tax declaration. I think this is the biggest danger to the whole Bitcoin thesis together with the upcoming DAC8/CARF crypto reporting changes! I know at least that for me it will become a whole lot less attractive to buy Bitcoin with it’s volatility when the Wet Werkelijk Rendement becomes effective. That is probably when I will convert to boring SP500 with 8% annual returns in order to keep annual tax under control.
Long term it’s like the SP500, gold and silver (everyone wins , Fiat loses)
Bitcoin didn't go over 45k in 2023. SP500 didn't 3x in 2 years. Yes, you DCAd and your average was 65, but if you DCA in SP500, your cost basis would have been higher too. In no world did SP500 match the returns of Bitcoin for 2 years
50% SP500 ETF to play safe and 50% BTC for growth and fast. I can’t go all in in just one asset, i don’t have the stomach for it especially for my retirement fund.
It's literally in the chart. If you account for M2 inflation, SP500 omly went up from .125 to .167 which is 25% and not 500%. This means the gain is mosly because there's more dollars in the system
That's a 7.82% CAGR so the SP500 would often be beating it. It's unlikely to be that low and slow like the brisket I'll be cooking today.
I used to buy bitcoin by myself in my relationship using my “guilt free spending money”. This is a personal allocation of a responsible amount of our income used for things we want but not need, like idk video games, bags, plants, watches whatever. Time in the relationship proved me to have better financial judgement in general so now she trusts me with the investment decisions in our family. I still don’t go crazy, I have been investing only 5% of our paychecks into bitcoin consistently, way less than our SP500 investment or mortgage principal payments but I strongly believe this is the responsible way to go. I am still more of a “personal” risk taker by still investing most of my guilt free cut on bitcoin but she can make that decision as well if she wants.
Yeah, up to this point the S&P 500 hasn't hurt very much (relative to bitcoin Maybe) SP, I'd even argue it's protected by our government which is worrisome cuz we really don't want to become China...TARP was a huge socialist move... bailing out capitalism
Periods like this make me wish I were all in in BTC, instead of splitting it alongside boomer SP&500 investments. But again, when it’s beat time for BTC, it’s the reverse xD
1.1M usd if the gold will be conquered and 2.5M usd if SP500.. insane.
Shit literally set a new ATH after the SP did.
Welcome to crypto. Create another account on Kraken. Don't rely on just one exchange. A great place to start on youtube is Coin Bureau. Beware of people shilling Altcoins (coins other than Bitcoin and Ethereum). Please do not use debt or college funds to buy "investment opportunities". Skip dinning outside, eat at home, get a part-time job, save up and buy BTC / SP500 / Gold and hold for 10+ years. Then you MIGHT get a chance to own a house. Yes, this is financial advice. Stay safe and prepare yourself for a very wild ride.
Yea sure, he didn't tme the market, he probably was getting tired of it. I invested in bitcoin in January this year when it was around the peak, then month after month after month i was -400 euro, -500 euro, It peaked twice before today and I had around 20-30 euro profit each time but decided no to sell. However today I sold all my bitcoin holding and transfered the money to the SP500 ETF where I now have around a thousand euro profit. The reason I'm telling you this is because I had two thousand euro profit before Trump anounced tariffs. However I was never in the red. Unlike the crypto spasm where it went -40% -60%. I bet it would go to 150k and then drop to 110k. I plan to reinvest again a smaller sum tommorow, but I know where my safe bet lies - with the SP500.
You can go to 30/40% BTC allocation depends of your risk tolerance. BTC is the little brother of SPX/Nasdaq, very high correlation between the three. So if you’re bullish long term with your stocks/ETF, Bitcoin should follow. I’m 55% SP500 ETF, 35% BTC and 10% TSLA.
"we are objectively in a risk on market" Published yesterday by Bloomberg: [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-07-08/this-s-p-500-rally-is-still-leaving-many-stocks-behind](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-07-08/this-s-p-500-rally-is-still-leaving-many-stocks-behind) "Just 10% of SP stocks are powering its returns.." https://i.redd.it/828xrrm0pxbf1.gif
Yes. Did you read what I wrote? SP is at highs because of the AI bubble. Mostly comparable to dot com bubble. Still a flight to safety with only Mag 7 running, and heavily favors companies like Nvidia with its $4 trillion mcap. Same in crypto, perceived safer haven in BTC. Same with gold, hitting new highs. That doesn't happen in a risk on environment. Alts are farther out the risk spectrum + Bitcoin leaders like Saylor heavily bidding BTC. We are now starting to see a similar trend on ETH with a few companies going all-in on Ether reserves, or swapping BTC for it... All of this lines up well with the end of the business cycle as investors anticipate money printing and lower rates in the uncertain but hopefully nearish future.
75% BTC and 25% VUAA. I belive BTC will return me more in long run than SP500.
55% SP500 / 35% BTC and 10% TSLA for me. Both SP500 and BTC are great, you play both safe and growth.
5x in 7 years (2017-2024), monthly volume is the lowest since October 2016 (retail is absent), companies holding not trading so price stabilizes (less volatility), supply is almost mined so less volatility (20/21 mil), every 4 year cycle has less subsequent percentage gains. If you need your 100$ in BTC to turn into 1000$ then I’d be upset at my comment too but BTC will most likely approach yearly gains averaging the SP500 then anything that would cause it to get close to 1 million “in the near future”.
BTC could go to nothing or skyrocket to million, who knows. Just remember to not put all eggs in one basket. Diversify your investment portfolio is the way to go. $50/week is good if you believe in BTC future. Don't forget to put some in SP500 and NASDAQ ETFs as well. Max out all the pre-tax retirement contributions (401k and IRA) to take advantage of the taxes especially if your employer provide a matching. If you worry about devaluation of USD, put some in Gold ETF or buy physical gold. BTC is still too risky compare to Gold. Remember to always do you research on everything you are gonna to invest.
Anyone farming stablecoins instead of dumping into SP500? I'm yielding 10-15% APR with low risk which is quite decent, no idea how long it's going to last though. Meanwhile SPY is grinding upwards and I'm wondering if I'm doing the right thing.
I just hope it outperforms SP500 substantially over the next 10-20 years... Even 20% ARR is amazing (38x in 20 years)
Lmao imagine thinking BTC is decentralized. RIP people who actually think this while MSTR is buying up as much as possible, while being in the NASDAQ, and soon to be SP500. Decentralized. HAH.
SP500 about to make a new ath. BTC should be able to recover to 107k possibly 108k easily. Big moves ahead.
50% SP500 / 50% BTC, i love stocks as well.
What would you do with instant 5M? Nah, put 1M in SP500 for a secure income for the rest of your life, let the other 9M ride, to buy your grandchildren their own island at some point. Maybe Iceland, New Zealand or Australia might be possible.
When you build up a XX to XXX millions portfolio because you are some OG Bitcoiner from 2010-2011 then you probably gonna end up selling some coins and putting them into other stuff... You can be the richest on the graveyard or just use your money for stuff... like real estate or fun or what ever... Seriously, I love bitcoin and its the best asset out there, and for building up wealth its perfect, also for storing! But as soon as I have an amount of money that would take me 2-3 lifetimes to get by my acutal work, I will put SOME of that money in different stuff like SP500 Stocks or get myself some real estate (only for myself) to have a calm mind. Bitcoin is superior everything else, 100% , but don't forget that becoming rich and STAYING rich are 2 different parts. I will always have >50% in bitcoin, but at some point, if we see way higher bitcoin prices, I'm 100% gonna sell 10-20% and put that into other stuff, even if the other stuff doesn't give me the same gains like bitcoin. If bitcoin stays the same, I will get more rich anyway, even if I "only" have 60-70% btc left in my portfolio.
Because people that bought during the bullrun of 2021 would be better off with SP500 now. Sp500 has doubled, btc has only gone up 50% since its last peak. The the returns will only continue to diminish until it approaches gold at around 8% per year.
but it adds many other risks. like losing your keys, etc with a cold wallet you are completely on your own. which works great for some people, and not so great for some other folks Coinbase and other exchanges offer custody, where you do not need to worry about your keys or any other technical details. The coins are attached to your ID, just like any other bank. from many points of view, keeping your coins in a cold wallet is similar to keeping large amounts of cash at home. comes with certain risks, which are taken care of when it's in a bank. Coinbase is not going to fail. It is one of the largest companies in the world, included in SP500. They impact US politics directly, and many other things. I can assure you that there is a very large number of people who are holding tremendous amounts of cash and crypto in their Coinbase accounts, and they will continue doing so. And then there is Coinbase Institutional, they custody coins for other big companies like MSTR and so on. I think there is a reason many large companies prefer to keep their crypto with Coinbase and not having to come up with their own solution and all that
Everyone will say more BTC. IMO, Eth is worth holding as it’s essentially the second best behind BTC. Sol I would probably sell but it has potential for growth. IMO, I’d sell the RMNBY and VOO- if you want SP exposure I’d go SPY over VOO unless you’re holding for like 15 plus years. NVDA is probably a keeper, short or long term. GPUs are not going away anytime soon. TLDR: Sell the SOL, RMNBY and VOO. Consider SPY and buy BTC for the rest.
Look what SP500 does and then BTC does, so you'll see how your coin will do. Check BTC.D, TOTAL1. TOTAL2, TOTAL3. Compare the supply coins of your tokens when it was ATH to now and see how much the price could be if a certain marketcap reached for that. Also look at DXY, the dollar becoming more and more worthless would give you a false impression that everything is increasing in price but instead it just reflect the current price of dollar. also USDT.D how many money are kept on hold and waiting vs invested. and many other stuff.
I will do that in 2 weeks with 20k for 200 EUR/month. 60% SP500 / 40% BTC.
ATH on NASDAQ, SP500, NVDA, but cryptos .... well ....
If you live in a 1st world country the use cases may not be obvious. But for anyone who lives in a 3rd world country and has some financial education, the advantages should be clear. \- Protection against inflation / Store of value. Especially if you live in a country with unstable currency. \- Fast and simple Cross-border transactions. Sending money to another country through traditional methods can take days, but with Bitcoin it takes minutes. \- Transactions immune to censorship or capital control. Example: Check what are all the restrictions in China. \- Alternative investments. Especially if the economy in your country sucks and you don't have access to SP500 or something like that. \- Alternative to traditional banking system. Search for what happened in Greece some years ago. People coundn't withdraw their own money otherwise the entire system would collapse.
With MSTR being in QQQ & 💩base in SP500 there is no way most people don’t have exposure They may never know but it’ll keep happening
Everyone buying to store produced energy (salary from working hours) and not accepting target inflation of 2% (or even higher) to devaluate this energy. So yes ofc. This is the same for everyone who is investing in SP500 etc.
No. The SP lost like 99% of its value against Bitcoin in the last decade or so
So what happens after 2035? You gonna trade that BITCOIN for some SP500? LOL
Well, considering that the SP500 is up 92% in the past 5 years, you have most definitely gained purchasing power if you were invested in that time. And no, taxes would not eat into allll those gains. I love bitcoin and own some myself but let’s be level headed here. You can own stocks and outpace inflation, it’s exactly what the rich do so I don’t see why we’re acting like it’s not the primary wealth building vehicle in the US
They don't look at the entire picture. They just dissect things down into 100 different components (STUPID CRYPTO TALKING POINT 1-100) and absolutely refuse to acknowledge that this has become much bigger than the sum of its parts. Like sure, in isolation if the only argument for btc was "number goes up" they have a point. But when its "number goes up", nation states adding to their strategic reserves, increasing institutional adoption, endorsement by the president of the USA, record shattering ETF support, continued out performance over SP500 across various time frames, increasing stability of the asset even with all the economic turmoil, they are just refusing to admit this is something big. Like Mallers says, it's more a porblem of their ego because they feel "too late"
Exactly. It’s just most people who would want to buy in, already have. So for now it’s more like the SP500 than some 100x asset
No problem mentioning but every altcoin has similar performance . In terms of btc I would rather be in stocks , while btc makes some good gains it only does every few years and so stocks would be more reliable. After every major move btc keeps that price for about 4 years , even a 50% move divided by 4 is not worth the hassle better go SP500 similar gains.
Haha 😂 absolutely not ! Get a stable job, invest in or DCA SP500 and into BTC !
Pelosis return on stocks since 1987 is 11%, same as the SP500. Literally same as the market.
I have 60% in the SP500 and 40% in BTC, you can go both, stocks like NVDA or MSFT provide very good results too.
SP500 is up more since August 2020 LOL
one thing is for sure: the worst places to park your money right now is banks & the stock market, especially SP500. it might seem as if the stock market is doing fine, but the money printer is accelerating to a pace of no return. also, do I think that WW3 is going to happen soon? most likely not, but there's definitely a greater than a 10% chance. not a financial advice, but in my opinion the best places to store your wealth right now would be in gold or bitcoin
So far so good, like SP500 always going up in the long run
Stocks barely dropped also… a big factor in BTC holding well this time. A lot of people here kept saying SP500 would go down while BTC rallied, that hasn’t happened. This market is still tied to stocks, imo, if the SP dropped 5% BTC would be down 10-15% There might be less of a correlation these days but it’s still there
Depends on what u need. Do u want security and a store of value -> Gold Do u want passive income -> Real estate Do u want to invest long term without much hassle -> SP 500 Do u want to speculate with high risk high rewards -> Crypto, high risk stock etc Do u want to believe promises of some perfect asset that goes up forever -> call a Nigerian Prince 🤣
SP500 less than 2% from ATH
Some Bitcoiners already know they will die with the goal to pass on the BTC. Because they know for a fact they will regret selling. So at some point that old shit. The mess on chain they made in the past, will just sit there. It’s too much work to deal with. But they just move on and restack as possible because it’s for 10 years from now. They have no choice. To them it’s a guaranteed gain of future buying power faster than holding the SPY. They believe it’s currency wars > total productivity US companies SP500. And of course they believe BTC wins the currency war. It’s mind share that matters. Ever more people who will just aim to borrow against it and stack. If they want something, they will buy it with a defi loan somewhere. Because they can’t stomach selling but they realize they will die. So a smidge risked in defi won’t matter in their lifetime even if it was lost to a protocol code defect or dev theft. So as time passes. BTC will gain mind share even if it’s not the fastest in the crypto world or particular companies. Let’s call the winner at 33 trillion m2.
SP500 return 9% a year on average. 99% of professional managers cannot beat the SP500 index. bitcoin has returned over 130% a year on average. buy every week and sit still. find another hobby to satiate that gambling drive.
It's 2045 though. What was the SP500 market cap 20 years ago? About 1/5 of what it is today. So if you take the $50 trillion market cap today and assume it'll be $250 trillion in 2045, not so crazy now is it? Gold will also likely be over $12k/oz by then as well...
I agree with the other comments that you should make this the last time you disclose online how much you hold. However, I disagree with the comments saying you should sell everything in order to only own BTC. Diversification is good, if done properly. Sell the useless gold and buy SP&500 or MSCI world shares with the money. This way you will have a truly diversified portfolio. Don't put all your eggs in the same basket, even in a solid basket like BTC
SP500 depends on Bitcoin now ;)
Is it too late to get 100X+ returns in a year? YES too late to get 100x returns in your life time? NO Too late to dramatically out perform all traditional assets like SP500/real estate etc? NO
That's just not true. Market cap of the SP500 alone is over $50 trillion. Then you add in the market cap of US real estate, which is over $100 trillion. The treasury market cap and corporate debt market cap is also close to $50 trillion. Then you have small caps, private companies, collectibles, etc. And that's JUST the US. So it's just not true that 300 trillion is near the market cap of all assets in the world.
You're right, I was quickly looking at charts and compared 2020 to 2025 SP500 growth to 2021 peak* to 2025 BTC growth by accident. BTC edges out SP500 2021 peak to present and clobbers it 2020 to present. I edited my above comment.
You're right, I was quickly looking at charts and compared 2020 to 2025 SP500 growth to 2021 peak* to 2025 BTC growth by accident. BTC edges out SP500 2021 peak to present and clobbers it 2020 to present. I edited my above comment.
You're right, I was quickly looking at charts and compared 2020 to 2025 SP500 growth to 2021 peak* to 2025 BTC growth by accident. BTC edges out SP500 2021 peak to present and clobbers it 2020 to present. I edited my above comment.
You're right, I was quickly looking at charts and compared 2020 to 2025 SP500 growth to 2021 peak* to 2025 BTC growth by accident. BTC edges out SP500 2021 peak to present and clobbers it 2020 to present. I edited my above comment.
' For example, if you bought at the 2020 peak you would have seen 2x better returns just dumping money into the SP500.' This ^ is not true.
That's just a lie, the Sp500 hasn't 2x'd Bitcoin since its 2020 peak. Bitcoin has had a 3x gain since the highest 2020 price, Sp500 has barely even 2x'd since 2020. I'm assuming you mean Bitcoin's 2021 peak. But even there, bitcoin has gone up 50% vs Sp500 40%, so definitely still not true. (And that’s the WORST possible scenario you can make against Bitcoin's returns since 2021.) You can dislike Bitcoin for whatever reason you want but saying that Sp500 has outperformed 2x it in any period of 4+ years is ridiculous. Yes, Bitcoin was risky, yes, you might think it's not worth it, but the returns of the SP500 DID NOT 2x it like you said.
I’m wondering this too. BTC is currently 3.5x its 2020 peak (just under $30k, last day of the year). SP500 for that same time, if I’m reading correctly, is like 1.6x?
I think many of the people who ask that question are really asking "can I still make alot of money very quickly" like BTC did early on in its life"? To that id say dont count on it. For example, if you bought at the 2020 peak you would have seen 2x better returns just dumping money into the SP500. But the real question people should be asking is whether future BTC value appreciation will generally best tradfi in the coming years. To that my personal bet is that it will.
Because this isn’t the SP500. Statistically there is just as equal of a chance it tanks than it increases