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Personally, I don't really believe in the counter-inflation, "fiat is a scam" story that keeps coming up within redditors. The mainstream media is not telling this story. In fact, the mainstream media hasn't been telling any BTC story lately. The last of the BTC pump was driven by the whole treasury thing. We're just waiting for a new pump now. BTC is just another asset with a specific market value. Its value is whatever the market believes it to be. It takes all sorts of marketing and exposure to get it to pump. You look at any asset: fiat, real estate, gold, SP500, stocks. They are all pumped by the market. It's like a religion. It takes believers. All of these assets are pumped up so far far beyond it's intrinsic (utility) value.
Ya, buying a house certainly doesn’t always make sense. Renting can be pretty great. The nice thing about buying is having a 30 year fixed loan here in the states. You are basically shorting the dollar for 30 years, you may pay double the asking price, but hope the property triples or quadruples over that time. Plus, at some point anyway, it’ll be cheaper than renting. May take 5 years, may take 30, but it’ll be beneficial at some point. Will it outperform BTC (or even the SP 500)? No. No it won’t. But everyone has to live some where.
My man, if the SP500 can drop -50% and more, unregulated crypto can dump you into oblivion without breaking a sweat
because SP500 as a whole has a much higher market cap, so its harder to move
what u talking, btc is down over 10% from its ath, while SP500 isn't even down 1%
I just watched Raoul's video and I'm pumped. TLDR: How could just this be the end of bitcoin & crypto when the business cycle is just starting soon (ISM), Global M2 rising, US liquidity coming soon, russell 2000 about to breakout, nasdaq is still strong, SP500 is strong, we are in a historically good seasonality quarter, US govt shutdown ending soon, tariff situation will eventually resolve sooner or latter! Within the next few weeks or a months! Is it fair to ignore all this and lose faith, just because some lines on the charts looks bearish?!
Yep. I got in at $94k and not even a year later i took out all of my whopping 0.10Btc at $118k. It started to feel scammy. Im just gonna cruise along with SP500 and NASDAQ stocks.
Bitcoin has performed better than the SP 500 this year
SP500 yearly inflows through index funds of around 10 billion usd Microstrategy = 0.14% of Sp500 = 14 million a year in inflows I think you're the one overestimating what that will bring
We're even with the SP500, while gold has outperformed ₿ by almost 4x. The NASAQ has also outperformed ₿.
Look at a chart of the SP 500 vs Gold over the last 100 years
Not true... most things go towards 0 and then cease to exist. It's only the exceptional stuff that endures. Look at the SP500 in 1985. Tell me that things going down will come back up. Buy quality and hold! Most Alts will trend towards 0, why not pivot to quality?
They integrated into crypto’s Price 10x shorts on the SP500 price
institutions will do collateral for a never ending loan, retail wont. retail want to get rich quick, here is how you test this like i did. just ask people around how many would hold an asset SP500 or whatever for 5 years ? the answer is none. people have very short term plans. when i tell someone "hey invest 10k and hold for 10-20 years for pension" they look at me like i just escaped an asylum
Its rly not that hard. Find some YT channel or blog in your native language so u can understand it better. Where are u from, if 20$ a month is hard to save? I can understand you, since its hard for me to compare myself with Americans or even west EU countries when they Earn way more than me. But i am doing my best to buy BTC and SP500 every month.
Here is a contrarian take. You need BTC to top for alts to run. Otherwise, the R&R always favor sitting on BTC and never touching alts. If the SP500 outperforms every stock in the short/long run, no one wants to do stock picking anymore. The old BTC dominance needs to go up for alt season makes no sense. Why? The new marginal BTC buyer is coming via ETF. They aren't going to come to CEXs to rotate downward. The higher the BTC goes, it doesn't necessarily mean more dry powder for alts. For an alt to run, it needs to find a better footing in balancing its demand and supply equilibrium. They need to drastically cut supply overhangs. Protocol needs to be leaner, e.g., aggressively cut down emissions from staking etc., start laying off as much as possible to cut down expenses, etc. The market needs to stop pushing VC garbage loaded with huge supply overhang from unlocks and constantly high emissions to keep TVL. But this space is run by VC/KoL/Dev communism. So all these simple things are too much to ask. In real capitalism, like stocks, all these obvious things would have been easily implemented. See how the tech stocks aggressively restructure themselves as they got their bounce off the lows from the Fed rate hike tightening cycle.
That is true, but not the same. I reffered to the thing that many cryptobros in this and other sub really think that that BlackRock, as a company invests in Bitcoin. Of course the majority of ETFs must be backed. So BlackRock buys Bitcoin, and buys everything else, they buy S&P 500, gold, silver in much larger quantities, and nobody writes that "buy S&P 500 ETF-s / gold because BlackRock buys SP500 / gold".
less about how much you invest and more about your ability to move capital into a portfolio and protect it. UPS worker that invested at early state of his life, retired in his 60s with multi millions of dollars after investing in SP500 with every paycheck, like 5-10%. He was poor compared to many. But his portfolio compounded and he just kept to himself, not trying to time the market or live lavishly. If you can protect your assets and live below your means, your net worth will be of greater value than someone who makes it big and dumps it through ridiculously stupid decisions. Pay yourself and treat yourself, but don’t think that you are invulnerable to bad decisions or bad friends.
Right. “Decoupled”, but pay no attention to the essentially identical bitcoin and SP500 crash triggered by the same event.
In this case you should be way more concerned with the SP500 which lost 3% Friday or $1.66 trillion. That’s wayyy more money than BTC marketcap loss which was only $0.2 trillion.
You’re joking right? That’s how percentages work. The shear dollar amount doesn’t matter in this conversation. The goal is to outperform tradfi. If BTC is beating the SP500 by percent return then BTC is considered a good investment. Doesn’t matter if it’s valued at $100k or $1k as long as it’s beating annual returns of other common investment avenues.
What did you not see the Dow? SP? spy? QQQ? This is a valuation phenomena. Everyone know a correction is in order. A lot of people are very in the green. No one know when to pull profits. So when someone sneezes or flinches capital RUNS but not much. Just enough to pull some profits, for now.
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It’s a risk asset so has some degree of positive correlation w other risk assets like SP500, gold, etc. It dropped in response to / in conjunction with equity markets falling quickly recently.
Not only the entire crypto market. The whole market, look at SP500. BTC < 118 right now lol, but that's normal, that's how BTC is. More risk/volatility = more reward. As I mentioned elsewhere, it's typical trump, soon enough he'll post praising China again and everything goes back to normal, don't let fear get to your head. I actually entered today again
SP could pump 75 points in 3 minutes, crypto would still dump lmao
> Only people who got in around 2017 or so did, or maybe 2018, too lazy to check the charts. Pre-2017, 2017 outside of the run, 2018, 2019, 2020. > It’s soon five years since peak to peak BTC beat tech stocks indices. It still beats SP500 but how long? Peak to peak is a useless measurement unless you only buy peaks.
I am not “going on about” anything, I am pointing out that GOLD-SP500-BTC being down at the same time! Usually investors move money from one to another. Liquidation of all non-cash commodity at the same time is something I have not seen before.
No they aren’t. Only people who got in around 2017 or so did, or maybe 2018, too lazy to check the charts. It’s soon five years since peak to peak BTC beat tech stocks indices. It still beats SP500 but how long?
Buncha gamblers think they're smart money getting into altcoins "BeCuz ThE ReTuRnZ ArE HiGhEr" are now getting their face ripped off. I see so many posts saying "I'm tired boss" or "F this market" but how many people are actually learning their lesson, selling their crap, and pivoting to quality assets like BTC, gold, and SP500? Probably not many... We're still early!
I have BTC and SP500 and the plan is, to give either one to my son when he hit that adulthood and the other one is for me and my wife to enjoy our lifes later on.
I tried talking to family when the price was $30k and I was interested in Bitcoin. I gave up. I genuinely don't care, let the entire group of people who dont want it, dont have it. More for me. I dont want others to even buy it. It's only a matter of time until Bitcoin is more mainstream, that younger generations will adapt faster than old people who think holding the dollar in a savings account is the "best". Same people I tried to convinvce to buy Bitcoin, won't even buy a stock safe as SP500. These people know nothing about finances.
I would have considered it risky back then, I wouldn't have done the same, but glad it worked out for you I wouldn't reccomend anyone to take a loan out to buy Bitcoin now either, but, I would consider Bitcoin to be much less volatile now with so many world goverments buying, large marketcap companies buying, and the number of Bitcoin related companies on both NASDAQ100 and SP500
Let it out friend it’s gonna be ok. Consider you could’ve bought the SP500
I guess only time will tell if pre-tax SP500 beats post-tax (depending on your tax rate could be as high as 50%) Bitcoin
Because I have certain funds (SP500/Bonds/etc) and cannot select IBIT.
Serious question. Assuming BTC grows the same rate as the past 5 years, wouldn't BTC compound even more than SP500 over decades?
>Serious advice appreciated, please don’t say 100% BTC lol People who tell you less than 100% are not serious. The SP500 is a bad joke. 100% of anything you save, after expenses are covered, should be in self-custodial btc. If you get 401k match, you can contribute to get the match, then take early withdrawal penalties to get the fiat out and convert to btc. Also make sure you have low equity on any cars or homes; any spare home or vehicular equity should be cash-out refinanced to get more sats. >Also fml missed the dip and now at ATH… > you missed nothing. So long as you are working and saving, there is nothing else worth saving in other than BTC. Anything else is a loss.
Please tell me what is VT? And where do you find it? SP is 500 top? BTC is bitcoin? I’m new can you tell me what strategy you use to pick your investment? Like publications. Wallets and such, apps. ? Thank you
I don’t assume it, I’m prepared for a muted alt season, but I also don’t think they’re going straight down from here. M2 money supply is exploding, rates are coming down (cheaper money), SP500 is constantly setting new all time highs, gold is ripping which is historically tied closely to BTC price. There’s plenty of good things happening that are positive for crypto markets. Also the USA has become a country of degenerate gamblers.
Man I do really understand you, I think the same since many years. I'm in bitcoin since many years, and will stay bitcoin only for the upcoming years. I could see myself diversify a little bit (15%-25%) into sp500 if my networth would reach more than 3-5 millions in the future. The SP500 would be then for me personally something like a backup but more psychological. Even If I would own some SP500 ETF in the future - I'm sure Bitcoin will keep on outperforming it. But as my networth keeps on growing, I think at SOME point in my life its just clever to buy some other assets. They don't need to outperform bitcoin, they just need to be there in the 0,01% case when bitcoin fails. I see the chance of bitcoin failing less than 1%... Its basically math and power law. Its based on thermodynamic laws, not on CEO's, Companies or Governments. Thats what I love about bitcoin, its based on hashing power, on mathematics, you can't cheat there.. proof of work man... Personally I told myself I will wait 4-8 more years until I reach my Fire-Number (to retire from job) and then I will maybe buy some sp500.
To me, almost all market (SP500, BTC) feels like a bubble that's going to burst. I don't like the signs that the American market is displaying, and if history repeats itself, beginning 2026 is a risky month for BTC and perhaps to indices as well. Honestly? I'd probably put some in investment (and forget about it for the next 15y), and some in a solid money market, wait a few months, and see what happens. Of course I don't have a crystal ball like anyone else. I'm just looking into history to try to determine how does market psychology is going to behave. This is not an investment advice.
VT in my roth! SP in my taxable. BTC everywhere!
Opened a position some days ago. %26 up with some leverage. That's way more than my income for Oct, Nov, DEC. And ppl still hates BTC. Always waiting to buy on dips and sell on highs. Been doing this for years, and transferring part of the earnings to SP500. Rinse and repeat. Life its good.
This is certainly plausible, but I think there will be winners and losers in the altcoin space so yes while altcoins as a WHOLE may gain ground on BTC, how do you pick the winners and avoid the losers? For example, if you can underwrite BTC to a 15% CAGR (I think this is realistic) and I would put those odds at around 60%. Now how do you underwrite alts which may do a 50% CAGR but could also trend towards 0? The alts of previous cycles like BCH, LTC, Uniswap, Flying Rainbow Kitten, have not come close to reclaiming their previous ATH and seem to have lost steam in terms of their following. ETH has stayed strong relative to other alts but there is a small chance it becomes challenged by SOL or ADA, etc. There could also be 100 new alts that attract attention (some memes like SPX6900 or 401JK are already doing this). There is a very low chance BTC is supplanted in its role. So I guess what I'm saying is it makes more sense to buy BTC. Now if all you have is $20,000 USD and you want to achieve "Lambo/F you" money, fine maybe go all in on fartcoin. But if you have $10,000,000 USD and you want to diversify a little bit away from your existing holdings of SP500, properties, Gold, overseas stocks, etc. I think a 5-10% exposure to BTC makes a lot more sense.
Diversify , example: 30% in a saving account with the best interest possible, 30% in SP500 etf , 40% in crypto . That depends on legislation where you live so do your own research. Keep money for learning new skills, building network, and education. That is part of diversification.
SP500 long-term annual average price growth is 7%
I expect 20/25%, Bitcoin will become like SP500/Nasdaq over time.
Life changing investment for most of us I’m sure 😏 I’d go all in, screw S&P 500. 9% annual interest on fiat currency with a recent 15-20% annual return on SP500 investments, means you’re only up 5-10%. It’s a lot for a lot of people, but there’s more to be had (intrinsic value of ad well as $$ value) , in BTC. Buy 1 and measure the two against each other.
I would be more stressed if 90% was in FIAT. But, why are you not diversifying in SP500?
tbf SP500 is up over 20% this year
BTC barely outperforming the SP500 YTD 😂
if comparing, BTC must be compared with SP500, these are 2 investments that are definitely profitable, and Rheinmetall must be compared with some altcoin, because they are not guaranteed to increase in price.
Bitcoin is not a very good investment anymore, peak to peak it’s losing to tech stock indices, it still beats SP500 but not by much. Each ATH since 2018, has been at smaller multiplier than the previous one.
Imagine buying SP6900 at a sub 3m market cap
You don't "invest" in crypto, you gamble, because it has volatility. It's viable of course, there are people that really make alot of profit years after years. You can simply apply the "good dad" strategy and put fixed amount every day or week or month on 2-3 solid projects and forget about them like you would do on an SP500 or MSCI World.
Everyone is positioning before the meeting to protect their stack. Look at Wall Street: today SP500 up 0.4% would normally mean VIX is down or flat but VIX was way up today suggesting a large volume of Put buying as insurance for long positions. Same is happening with crypto markets. Id only expect huge moves Wednesday if there’s a 50bps cut or no cut. The 25bps cut is pried in. Price movement around a 25bps cut will probably mostly be due to larger options/leveraged positions opening and closing.
BTC is up \~10% since January, while NASDAQ is up \~16%, SP500 \~10% and GOLD \~40%. Yep that shit ain't worth the risk anymore
But why is it a red flag? Who TF is robinhood to forcefully “extend” the review time? They just made SP500 They can do beter than hire 2 indiana in customer support who have no clue what are they talking about…..
Nah, SP500 and Bitcoin and Eth are all near ATH (Ok, BTC is like 7% off it's highs, but still close)
I still have my copy of Tony hawk pro skater 2 yellow cartridge, also have my blue Gameboy SP. I'm a hoarder so I would've hoarded that one bitcoin
I DCA daily into SPX6900. It’s a movement coin protesting an extractive financial system with goal of flipping the SP500. Take a look, we have so many smart professionals like yourself. We just partnered with Mindtime to take a psychological profile of the whole group to determine our thinking style (Mindtime.org) Kicked off by a neurologist in the group. It is fucking sick what this group is doing. It’s not even just a coin. It’s so much more.
Dude. Regular folks with regular money talk to financial advisers too. He'll probably tell you to stick it all in an SP500 index fund and wait til you are 65 and live large when you are old. What I'll tell you to do is to cash out $10k. Stick 5 in savings for future emergencies/opportunities. And, have fun with 5. Get some nice clothes. Take a date to a fancy restaurant. Get a nice bottle of whisky. Upgrade your GPU. For the rest: Move it over to BTC and **put in a trailing stop loss.** Everyone expects a run up at at least $150K by then end of the year followed by a bear market through 2026 starting maybe as early as January. The market's being weird this cycle. So, who knows what'll happen. But, good news is the second-likely prediction is a slow steady climb straight through to mid 2026. In other news: We might be heading into DotComBubble 2.0. So, the SP500 is getting scary. And, we're likely running into runaway inflation. So, stock and real estate prices will go way up even though the real value won't change much because it's really just the dollar going down. So, if you want to get out of crypto, consider relatively-boring high-yield bonds.
Invest it safely, away from crypto. If you invest at 7%, it will double every 10 years, meaning when you're 60 it will be worth $1.6 million. Or it will pay for college for your kids. Use it to make Roth contributions every year, but otherwise leave the rest outside your retirement accounts - you want to achieve kind of a 50-50 split between retirement accounts and non-retirement accounts as you get older, because (experience talking here) you have no idea what life is going to throw at you, but whatever it does throw at you, you will have more options for dealing with it with an extra $100K at your disposal. Use regular workplace deductions to fund your 401k, taking advantage of any employer match. If you really don't know what to invest in, suggest 25% in SP500 index fund; 25% in SCHD (blue-chip US dividend); 40% in SCHY (blue chip foreign dividend); and 10% in gold (Canadian 1-oz gold coins). Don't go nuts diversifying into every possible asset class or buying a million different small positions; this is a starting position, as you get older and more experienced and as your life situation changes, you can adjust as you go.
That's like saying is it too late to buy SP500... it only goes up
MSTR didn't get into the SP500, and holds over 638,000 BTC. As their share price slides, what the hell is the future for them?
yo compre tambien SP6900, al revisar los gráficos realmente tiene un buen rendimiento, es interesante en que se pueda convertir en el futuro.
When a bear market happens, the bear will devour them and a lot of these other companies. SP500 is smart to not include it.
"Snubbed"? LOL. It doesn't qualify for it. SP does not care about one-time gains on assets bought with raised capital. MSTR does not qualify, end of story.
I have been researching this topic for thousands and thousands of hours since 2017, reading countless books and studying it deeply. It’s a deep rabbit hole. After so much research, my well-intentioned advice if you were to ask me would be, sell everything you own and convert it into Bitcoin. Forget SP500 stocks., put 100% into Bitcoin. It will almost certainly reach millions of dollars and, eventually, replace the dollar and other fiat currencies. But you will come to the same conclusion yourself if you dive deeply into this topic.
So yearly return of 8%, worse than SP500? I don’t think so. I think either bitcoin falters and goes to almost 0, or significantly outperforms and goes to millions. Extrapolating performance of the last 5 years IMO does not make sense
SP500 and Nasdaq going ATH while crypto down and stagnant, what happened with the correlation ?
SP500 and Nasdaq going ATH while crypto down and stagnant, what happened with the correlation ?
Literal garbage market. All in one SP500 next year 😂
SP500 retraces -30% in bear year, that’s easily -60% for BTC late ‘26 as per the cycle there is a bear year in every 4 and the last one was ‘22.
I agree with no blow off top. Its more likely that it will keep gradually rising the way SP500 does, maybe even into next year which would end the 4 year cycles. The 4 year cycles have become too predictable and will not last forever.
Most ppl’s exposure to mag 7 are via broad indices, SP500 or Russell 3000 etc. They automatically rebalance as market rotate from one winner to the next.
I could be wrong, but I thought the potential market cap could FAR exceed $20T. I thought it was around $500T if BTC truly became the world reserve currency and forced people to stop monetizing real estate/SP500/Bonds/etc as savings accounts?
Don’t worry when markets close bitcoin literally has a mental breakdown an 3x SP500 losses lol
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Peak to peak, BTC has been losing to tech stocks indices since 2021. It still beats SP500 but not by much.
That’s the neat part… you don’t. I lived in China for the past seven years. You can buy Chinese A shares, but the market is very retail and has not performed as well against the U.S. SP500. Most people buy real estate… and while people have been claiming it’s a bubble, this time does feel different given the general state of the world economy (who would have guessed printing this much m2 money would have caused this many problems….).
if I had like 5, yes. ecstatic. Cashout into SP500 and retire.
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Why would you sell now? 😂 Nothing out of the ordinary is happening right now. This cycle is 95% complete tho. This goes both for Bitcoin and SP500. If there is not a clear breakdown in the charts, you dont sell. Until that happens you ride the wave.
Oh god... So, 'buying the top' refers to buying at the highest price in a market cycle. It has no where to go but down. Look at the charts, you see how they have peaks and valleys? You would be buying a peak right now, or, close to it. So next, is a valley. A buffered position in stocks is an investment strategy that uses options to limit a portfolio's potential losses, or "buffer" the downside, over a specific period. This downside protection comes with a trade-off: a "cap" on the maximum potential gains. This strategy is most commonly implemented through buffered exchange-traded funds (ETFs). For example, I just put a bunch of money into a buffered position that is indexed to the SP500. The position has a 20% buffer, is capped at 10% gains, and matures in like 9 months. It was a 15 month contract. So, if I hold for the full 15 months, and the index goes down 21%, I only lose 1%. However, if I don't hold it until maturity, I lose the full 21%. Now, if at any time, the position moves up 10% or more, I can sell it, take my profit, and buy into another buffered position. This is a good strategy to get into a market that is really hot, maybe at, or near, ATH's. Does this all make sense? You are protected on the downside, but you've got to let the contract mature. If you hit your gains limit, you can sell it too. You don't need to hold it until maturity to take gains. You do need to hold it till maturity to get the downside protection though. There is a new BTC buffered ETF that I believe just hit the market, or will hit the market soon. It offers downside protection, which, you might want if you'll be lumping in at the top of a market cycle.
What you call volatile, I call risk. Remember from my parent comment I said “only invest what you can afford to lose.” Thats all part of my risk argument. And… bigger the risk… bigger the reward. Im hoping to lower that risk by creating a portfolio. I know Bitcoin heads don’t believe in anything but Bitcoin; and Old stock heads don’t believe in anything but stocks. But look at this guy: [$1000 every January since 2018 in both Crypto and S&P500](https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/s/Kk81qcaOEL) In summary: He invested $1K each January in the Top 10 Crypto (oh my god… yeah it isn’t only Bitcoin) and he invested $1K in S&P500 (Warren Buffets favourite index fund). In the 8 years, he has invested $8K in each. His Crypto portfolio swelled up to $28K over 8 years (and he breaks it down year upon year). That’s 350% gain. That SP500 portfolio swelled up to $13K over the 8 years (he breaks that down too). That’s a 162% gain. Bigger the risk, bigger the reward. Again… “only invest what you can afford to lose.” Stock market isn’t impervious to this either… enron scandal.
And while BTC shits the bed, SP500 hit a new ATH again !
The SP500 is also heavily weighted towards the technology sector, so if that's what you're trying to do, there are better ways than splitting your investments between QQQ and SPY. I'm just saying, if you want to add BTC, and you want to more or less keep your current contributions, it would make sense to cut from the two positions that overlap.
I think it makes sense, to have more exposure to the technology sector and the SP500 and to achieve a balance, does it make sense to you?
Think of it this way, sp500 has 100 years of stable increase growth, of which beat inflation, bonds, any HYSA, all by a long shot. The SP500 only tracks US companies. The us economy goes boom, all of that is worthless. BTC is based on a GLOBAL scale. A scale so massive all governments of all the world are invested into it. How else did this thing go to 100+k as fast as it did. It has outpaced every single investment by a LONG SHOT even those considered the safest. The world would have to end for BTC to fail, and at that point, what good is money anyway ?
I'll take your advice! I didn't see Bitcoin as much like the SP500, this brought me more peace… but I did see it as something big in the future. And you're right! My strategy is to save up to put in whatever I earned every Friday or on Sunday. I don't trade, but sometimes it's good to wait on Monday for the news, which typically manipulates the markets. That's been my strategy. Do you think I'm doing well? 😨 (sorry for my bad english)
Yeah I totally agree. Our OP here seems to be buying in an extremely odd way, and I only explain it too loving that buy button. It makes sense, I felt so good about doing it; felt like it didn’t matter because I was investing into my future *at the end of the day, it technically is true* However, when for the first year my portfolio was hardly even up, it made sense. Very long term, you’ll see some growth for sure. Bitcoin is basically just the crypto SP500 but with way more growth after all . However, when you’re spending as little as 1$ and have many many many transactions per day, it just seems incredibly inefficient.
Ok. In 12 months to date, the USD is down 3.4% but the SP500 is up 14.2% NDQ is up 19.75% XAUUSD is up 38.8%
Welcome to the realm of Bitcoin. We eat volatility for breakfast here. If you don't have the stomach for it, better sell and go buy grandpa's SP500 at the dollar store.
I feel like the markets continuing to run up hurts the average Joe way more than a 30% SP500 correction + a 15% housing correction. Always bet on the masses to be fucked. I agree with your thesis but I just don't think it flips back on capital assets until we see pitchforks out (literally). And that is still not on the imminent horizon in my opinion.
What do you mean you have never seen a drop this big? Even SP500 can tank few % after bad news or some events, right now 250 million USD of longs got eliminated so it tanked a bit to 110k now its again at 112.5k almost 113k again. Just calm down, have a long term perspective on ur investment.
1. Household savings rates all time low 2. Debt at all time high 3. Prime rate car loan delinquencies highest in 15 years 4. Uptick in mortgage delinquency 5. BNPL credit is maxed for many 6. Tariffs will be priced into consumer goods soon or already have been. 7. A 0.25 decrease in the federal funds rate should justify the enormous P/E ratio of SP500 and sky high valuations in crypto!
Depends on a person, his questionnaire. It's not kind of a one-answer question. The point of diversification is to maximally reduce risk and keep total return unchanged, or reduce risk and increase stability of a portfolio, so that return is reduces, but it is consistent in any scenario. If you want stability-driven porftolio you can invest in crypto, but keep it top 10-20% of the portfolio and limit to top tokens of market: BTC, ETH, SOL Remember, that crypto is heavily influenced by stock market. So if there's major stock market crash you can certainly expect 30% wipe on SP500 and 50%-70% BTC. In case BTC is only 20% of your portfolio the damage will be only 10-15%