HBAR

biba8163

It's interesting how sentiment changes on a coin and a lot of people claim they got in early but the vast majority didn't. I remember noticing SOL a few times when it was between $0.50 to $4 and thinking to gamble on an Alt in the 2021 cycle to increase my BTC stack since I did 25X in Nano in 2017/18. > Number #91 on CMC Solana which claims 50,000 TPS and 400 MS block times and smart contracts https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/ik9w8c/daily_discussion_september_1_2020_gmt0/g3mmcty/ But there were just so many concerns. The circulating supply was tiny and there was hundreds of millions to unlock and dump on the market. Nobody knew the price discovery or the market for it in a sea of coins all claiming high TPS and smart contracts. People thought $1 was overvalued and everyone agreed. > Solana (+441%) dump is going to be historic. Imagine paying over $1 when pre sale paid $0.04-$0.20 > It will come back down to $0.30 and that’s when you should load up > Imagine paying over 1$ a coin with no tech and a supply of 500 million coins. https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/fykd3i/solana_441_dump_is_going_to_be_historic_imagine/ > Solana Unlocks 11.3 Million SOL Tokens secretly and then tries to cover up https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/g9mf24/solana_unlocks_113_million_sol_tokens_secretly/ > What is Solana and WHY is it pumping like crazy? $3 https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/i74xhp/what_is_solana_and_why_is_it_pumping_like_crazy/ The thing is all these concerns were valid and people got dumped to kingdom come on countless new fangled tech projects like ALGO, DOT, HBAR, MINA, etc. And SOL came out the winner. You really couldn't predict this in 2020. It was only in 2021 I noticed SOL had huge hedge funds and SPAC King Chamath Palihapitiya backing it and they would shill Solana on CNBC every chance they got. Remember, Chamath was in Bitcoin in 2013 and when asked about Ethereum in 2020 he said it was irrelevant and you didn't need anything besides Bitcoin. Fast forward a year later, he's shilling Solana on CNBC after he gets a huge vested interest.

Particular_Door_9573

Every data is on chain but it's "fake". you should invest in ADA, HBAR or Algo. They claim 1 millions TPS, and for sure they're not "faking" volume with 2 millions daily.

biba8163

These coins are all hitting All-Time Lows in Sats (BTC value) almost every single day for the past few weeks. The writing is on the wall. But when you are so emotionally invested and join circlejerk groups, groupthink tell you to double down and DCA more into a sinking ship. - DOT - ATOM - HBAR - CRO - ALGO

biba8163

Today the TOP 3 *"Most Advanced Crypto"* Projects, *ALGO, HBAR and DOT* all fell to their *All-Time Low* against BTC Expect frantic circle jerking of the technical achievements, technology advantage, ecosystem being built and the tremendous opportunity to buy an undervalued asset among bagholders.

VollcommNCS

The guy with HBAR in his name is shilling Hedera. Who would have thought ?

M_L04

If you're budget is €100-€200 I'd recommend BTC,ETH, and putting in at least €150 (€75 each) Then buy Coins such as Matic, Algorand, HBAR, Or even Solana, coins. I'd highly recommend Learning about DCA (Dollar cost averaging) as data shows we are heading into a bull market= lot of opportunities

chilledout5

HBAR

HBARKing

HBAR is the only one I would ever invest in.

Positive_Feed4666

Buy BTC any time it drops below 60k Then diversify across ADA, ETH and SOL If you want a gamble try STX, AMP, HBAR or ATOM

BradyatHedera

fwiw, wrt HBAR / Hedera nodes, there is a strong degree of decentralization: [https://hedera.com/blog/decentralization-of-the-hedera-mainnet-consensus-node-hosting-and-stake-distribution](https://hedera.com/blog/decentralization-of-the-hedera-mainnet-consensus-node-hosting-and-stake-distribution)

Wolfxorb

Define low cost. KAS, HBAR, SUI

Real_Bridge_5440

DCAing the tits out of Cosmos, Algo, some ETH, XRP and HBAR, some DOT also. Sol still too high at the moment, if it dips below 90 I will buy a load.

whipcream_studio

HBAR

wooly_torch

HBAR wants to move but sleeps instead

Nightmare_Tonic

I've mostly accumulated the blue chips over the last few years. Haven't paid attention to the smaller caps, which is something I did a lot more in the last cycle. How does everyone here feel about KASPA and HBAR?

Airpower_

Meme play I'm going TURBO or MYRO, good potential HBAR, CKB, ALGO. I also expect MPLX to rip this bull run. Be patient and good luck!

Valuable_Exercise580

Was going to write and say almost exactly this. Tried to buy BTC back when it was £90, couldn’t work it out, instead bought shares that went from £1.20 to almost zero. Kicking myself when BTC hit £1,100 Ended up dabbling in different ALTS for years, holding and averaging down while they tanked, and then selling as soon as them made a profit (bought ETH at £400 average down when it hit £60 in 2017, had an average of around £95 a coin and sold it all around £120 to only to watch it go up in 2020/21 to £3k+) I’ve been around for years and made hardly any money, always buying ‘new projects’ that just do nothing, putting more cash in to average down for 3/4yrs and sell after breaking even. If I’d just bought BTC at £1.1k when I thought it was overpriced and the run was over, or £3k after it dropped from £14k, thinking that BTC has to be dead now. Finally bought some when it hit £16k after dropping from £50k Holding bags in loads of projects that were the big thing 4yrs ago (ALGO/HBAR/VET/ADA/QNT/DOT/UNI) That Bit of BTC I bought went from 10% of my portfolio to 60% in value without ever buying any more of anything Now going to convert all ALTS into BTC as soon as it makes sense, and buy and hold nothing but BTC

zVenxmz

Not a single person here has said anything Welsh listening to Firstly - research, a lot of it. Then do a whole lot more BTC and ETH are going to collapse when USDT get regulated out of the market (research MICA - the US is next) Then look at cryptos that solve some real sleek problems - my advise is ISO20022 compliant assets XRP, XLM, XDC, HBAR, QNT and then the 2 gems that are SHX and VELO Again, research research research NFA

Scared_Good1766

BTC and ETH will naturally be safer bets. I can *almost* guarantee that some alt coins will drastically outperform them, but picking which ones will and which will drop off a cliff is the gamble aspect. I would say your best risk: reward ratio at this point in the cycle is probably ETH- it’s got that prestige and hasn’t reaaally popped yet. I personally spread, I’m about 30% ETH, about 55% split between SOL, DOT, ADA and HBAR, 5% BTC and then 10% between a few that I consider longer shots but may have more upside like ICP, LINK, ALGO, GALA. Just weigh up what you’re willing to risk. Do you want a pretty solid chance at doubling or tripling your money, or do you want a small chance at 30x your money? Or do you want to hedge somewhere in between? Regardless, I would personally not touch anything outside of the top 100 coins unless you are super confident, like *insider trading* level confident

T-Shurts

I hold Algorand, HBAR, XRP, Cardano, and Celestia. Along w/ BTC and ETH.

jawni

Well it's not the current utility, just like stocks aren't solely based on their current standing but rather they skew forward-looking. It's easy to imagine BTC being a store of value in the future(or just surviving in general relative to the industry), so it's valued as such. Thinking utility/tech and price aren't correlated is a coping strategy invented by this subreddit that protects the ego of people who can't admit they were wrong in the first place. The market often unfairly pumps coins (HBAR's unofficial Blackrock "partnership" is a recent example) but it rarely dumps them unfairly, so if the market is shitting on your coin(esp. over a long time frame), you shouldn't assume the market is wrong, you should assume *you* are wrong.

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

Look into Hedera $HBAR. They have done more transactions than the rest of crypto combined. The first and only large scale enterprise app to run on a public ledger, in the entire world, runs on Hedera. It is *the* enterprise grade chain. Do your own research. Here’s a list of just a few use cases https://np.reddit.com/r/Hedera/comments/1cehy0u/to_all_newcomers_a_scope_of_major_projects_being/

KenduWarrior

Who is trading memes on HBAR? 😂

T-Shurts

Some altcoins do have value, and will help the world harness blockchain technology and it’s capabilities… I hold BTC, but I also hold a hand full of altcoins that can (and in my opinion, will) offer the world some amazing things. Algorand is my favorite. I also have Cardano, HBAR, Eth, and XRP. I have ShIB too, but that’s purely because I’m hoping peoples “stupidity” will result in me making some money on it. Lol.

fatlever2

Since BTC broke $62K in March 1 to BTC break below $62K today, a lot of coins have almost halved their value. And there was a stream of good news articles being posted about various projects when BTC was going up. Now, nothing. - ADA $0.71 - MATIC $1.02 - AVAX $42 - LINK $20 - ATOM $12 - HBAR $0.12 - VET $0.05 - CRO $0.12 - ALGO $0.22 https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/20240301/

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; The Hashgraph Association has launched the first Valour Hedera (HBAR) Exchange Traded Product (ETP) at the Frankfurt Stock Exchange. This marks a significant development in the crypto financial products space, offering investors a new way to gain exposure to Hedera Hashgraph's HBAR token through a regulated financial instrument. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

CointestMod

#Hedera Con-Arguments Below is a Hedera con-argument written by a deleted user. > Hedera Hashgraph is Delware Limited Liability Company. > > **It's also a Directed Acyclic Graph DLT that uses a leaderless asynchronous BFT algorithm with virtual voting.** This is the same as Fantom, which is also a a Directed Acyclic Graph DLT that uses a leaderless asynchronous BFT algorithm with virtual elections. The main difference between the two is that Hedera is governed by a permissioned Council of 26 (up to 39) while Fantom is mostly decentralized. > > Hedera has [3-5 second deterministic finality](https://hedera.com/hbar), which is noticeably slower than Fantom's 2-second finality, but is still very fast. > > Hedera was launched in 2019 as a centralized DLT targeting institutional and enterprise companies. It is not meant for the retail sector and has almost no DeFi activity. > > ##Semi-Centralized Proof-of-Authority DLT > > - Hedera uses **Proof-of-Authority** (PoA). It has [semi-centralized governance](https://docs.hedera.com/guides/core-concepts/hashgraph-consensus-algorithms) controlled by the 26 (up to 39) members of the governing council, made up of [publicly-known companies](https://docs.hedera.com/guides/mainnet/mainnet-nodes), and the 7 board of directors. The council each control their own permissioned validator used for consensus. > - New members of the [council are approved by majority vote](https://files.hedera.com/Hedera_COUNCIL-OVERVIEW_2022_JUNE.pdf), and existing ones may be removed by 2/3 vote. Council members can serve 3-9 years consecutively before they have to take a 3-year break. > - There are barely any public details about the staking power of any of the nodes. There is also a Nothing-at-Stake issue because there is no slashing or economic punishments. They may get kicked kicked off the council for misbehaving, but there's no economic disincentive. > - The code was proprietary software that no one was allowed to fork, and it was closed source up until 2022. > - Its nodes have extremely [high enterprise-level requirements](https://docs.hedera.com/guides/mainnet/mainnet-nodes/node-requirements). 5 TB NVMe drives, a $10K NVIDIA Telsa V100 GPU, a 1 Gbps sustained network, Google Cloud Compute Engine VM. These specs are so high that they completely outclass Solana validator requirements. > - Every node has a dedicated GCP IP address, making Google Cloud Platform a possible a single point failure for outages. > > Hedera is designed to be controlled by a conglomerate. Hedera supporters truly believe that is still considered decentralized because they do not believe it's likely publicly-known companies will collude and misbehave. I do not think that design fits well with the crypto community, but acknolwedge that there is a niche community that embraces Proof-of-Authority. > > ##Untrustworthy documentation > > * Much of Hedera's documentation isn't based on the current state of Hedera Hashgraph, but on its ideal state. > * It says it has [a fully decentralized governing body](https://hedera.com/prescription)", which is misleading since they use a 26-member pre-authorized Governing Council. > * It calls itself a "[proof-of-stake public distributed ledger](https://hedera.com/learning/hedera-hashgraph/what-is-hedera-hashgraph)", but it's actually controlled by the governing council and uses Proof-of-Authority. The public hasn't been able to stake (other than the questionable "proxy staking") on it since Hedera's launch 3 years ago. > * For comparison, VeChain is more decentralized than Hedera Hashgraph with its 101 authority nodes and [publicly-available data on their nodes](https://vechainstats.com/authority-nodes/). But at least VeChain is honest about being Proof-of-Authority and even calls itself a [compromise between centralization and decentralization](https://docs.vechain.org/thor/learn/proof-of-authority.html) in their documentation. > * **Real Throughput**: 10K TPS is extremely misleading because it doesn't take into account EVM smart contracts. It published those metrics in 2019, when the smart contact throughput [was 10 TPS](https://ercwl.medium.com/hedera-hashgraph-time-for-some-fud-9e6653c11525), and that was the throughput for Hedera up until Smart Contracts 2.0 released in early 2022. > * Unfortunately, there are no good real estimations for max throughput because Hedera lacks dApps and is a ghost town. It's not congested and regularly sees 5-30 TPS without dApps, so it doesn't get pushed to its limits. With the introduction of Hedera Token Service, Hedera has now somewhat caught up to the misleading documentation it had for 3 years. HTS has an upper limit of 10K TPS, but not everything is going to use it, and [smart contract transactions are throttled at 350 TPS](https://docs.hedera.com/guides/mainnet). Some actions, like TopicCreate and AccountCreate transactions on Hedera are down to 2-5 TPS. We don't know what a real performance is going to look like until Hedera builds up its DeFi presence. What we do know is that it's going to be well below 10K TPS and that it was dishonest with throughput documentation prior this year. > > > ##Horrible Tokenomics > > - There is 38% expected supply inflation in 2022, 50% inflation in 2023, and a [whopping 83% inflation in 2024](https://messari.io/asset/hedera-hashgraph/profile/supply-schedule). I'm very skeptical that the retail sector investing in Hedera is aware of how quickly the circulating supply is increasing and has priced that in. > - Only 42% of the supply has currently been released, guaranteeing high inflation for years down the line > - Hedera very likely passes the Howey Test and would be considered a security asset. It is controlled by a council of 26 companies with a large investment of staked HBAR. Holders of HBAR have an expectation of profit derived from the work of Hedera Hashgraph. > - Nearly [50% of the supply](https://messari.io/asset/hedera-hashgraph/profile/supply-schedule) has gone to employees and the foundation. The majority of the rest (40%) is going to the Hedera Treasury. > - The tokenomics a lot like a giant cash grab ICO that will have years of high inflation. That's extremely scary for a retail investor. > - The 50B token maximum should not be trusted at all and likely will not hold. Those validator nodes that control governance are not cheap and will not run themselves freely once the supply limit is reached. By putting an arbitrarily-high supply, they've simply pushed governance change for tokenomics to be dealt with in the future. > > ##Other > > - DeFi is practically non-existent on Hedera, not surprising since it was built centralized. According to both DefiLlama and DappRadar, Hedera has only one notable DeFi project: Stader. Hedera's [total DeFi TVL of $40M](https://defillama.com/chain/Hedera) is less than 1000x smaller than [Ethereum's](https://defillama.com/chains) and 25x smaller than the nearly-identical Fantom's, which has over 100 DeFi projects on it. > - Hedera uses a [predictable fee schedule](https://docs.hedera.com/guides/mainnet/fees). Token transfers are very cheap at $0.0001. Smart contracts gas fees are considerably more expensive at $0.05 to $1. That's actually really expensive for a 25-node centralized service, but the high fees aren't too surprising because it uses EVM, which is known to be inefficient. ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_hedera) to find submissions for other topics.

simulated_copy

Always holding too long. XRP case in point 6 years HBAR case in point 3.5 years The rest have been fine

victormaj

Instead of meme coins, I recommend you spend some time looking into the most promising alt coins. Alt coins generally are being punished by Bitcoin dominance; which is to say that when Bitcoin price appreciates, they go up only modestly, and when Bitcoin corrects to the downside, they get murdered. This has been going on for months, and consequently there are some alt coins with extremely good fundamentals which are entering favorable price levels. The derogation of price will continue until Bitcoin fully adjusts to the post halving era and the Federal Reserve begins to reduce interest rates from current levels. I think alts are approaching a bottom. For example, on March 27, 2024, ICP was trading at over $20. Today's price is under $8 and the 100 week SMA is just over $7. That looks like an opportunity to me. I also like HBAR. Look at the utility case for these and similar alts.

izdigohkz

HBAR has been around for a long time now. I don't think I want to but it though. I'm looking into oracles and SupraOracles is one that has been building for a long time. Over 90+ projects are using their service and they are looking to launch their token soon. I think it's going to do well eventually.

CointestMod

#Hedera Con-Arguments Below is a Hedera con-argument written by a deleted user. > Hedera Hashgraph is Delware Limited Liability Company. > > **It's also a Directed Acyclic Graph DLT that uses a leaderless asynchronous BFT algorithm with virtual voting.** This is the same as Fantom, which is also a a Directed Acyclic Graph DLT that uses a leaderless asynchronous BFT algorithm with virtual elections. The main difference between the two is that Hedera is governed by a permissioned Council of 26 (up to 39) while Fantom is mostly decentralized. > > Hedera has [3-5 second deterministic finality](https://hedera.com/hbar), which is noticeably slower than Fantom's 2-second finality, but is still very fast. > > Hedera was launched in 2019 as a centralized DLT targeting institutional and enterprise companies. It is not meant for the retail sector and has almost no DeFi activity. > > ##Semi-Centralized Proof-of-Authority DLT > > - Hedera uses **Proof-of-Authority** (PoA). It has [semi-centralized governance](https://docs.hedera.com/guides/core-concepts/hashgraph-consensus-algorithms) controlled by the 26 (up to 39) members of the governing council, made up of [publicly-known companies](https://docs.hedera.com/guides/mainnet/mainnet-nodes), and the 7 board of directors. The council each control their own permissioned validator used for consensus. > - New members of the [council are approved by majority vote](https://files.hedera.com/Hedera_COUNCIL-OVERVIEW_2022_JUNE.pdf), and existing ones may be removed by 2/3 vote. Council members can serve 3-9 years consecutively before they have to take a 3-year break. > - There are barely any public details about the staking power of any of the nodes. There is also a Nothing-at-Stake issue because there is no slashing or economic punishments. They may get kicked kicked off the council for misbehaving, but there's no economic disincentive. > - The code was proprietary software that no one was allowed to fork, and it was closed source up until 2022. > - Its nodes have extremely [high enterprise-level requirements](https://docs.hedera.com/guides/mainnet/mainnet-nodes/node-requirements). 5 TB NVMe drives, a $10K NVIDIA Telsa V100 GPU, a 1 Gbps sustained network, Google Cloud Compute Engine VM. These specs are so high that they completely outclass Solana validator requirements. > - Every node has a dedicated GCP IP address, making Google Cloud Platform a possible a single point failure for outages. > > Hedera is designed to be controlled by a conglomerate. Hedera supporters truly believe that is still considered decentralized because they do not believe it's likely publicly-known companies will collude and misbehave. I do not think that design fits well with the crypto community, but acknolwedge that there is a niche community that embraces Proof-of-Authority. > > ##Untrustworthy documentation > > * Much of Hedera's documentation isn't based on the current state of Hedera Hashgraph, but on its ideal state. > * It says it has [a fully decentralized governing body](https://hedera.com/prescription)", which is misleading since they use a 26-member pre-authorized Governing Council. > * It calls itself a "[proof-of-stake public distributed ledger](https://hedera.com/learning/hedera-hashgraph/what-is-hedera-hashgraph)", but it's actually controlled by the governing council and uses Proof-of-Authority. The public hasn't been able to stake (other than the questionable "proxy staking") on it since Hedera's launch 3 years ago. > * For comparison, VeChain is more decentralized than Hedera Hashgraph with its 101 authority nodes and [publicly-available data on their nodes](https://vechainstats.com/authority-nodes/). But at least VeChain is honest about being Proof-of-Authority and even calls itself a [compromise between centralization and decentralization](https://docs.vechain.org/thor/learn/proof-of-authority.html) in their documentation. > * **Real Throughput**: 10K TPS is extremely misleading because it doesn't take into account EVM smart contracts. It published those metrics in 2019, when the smart contact throughput [was 10 TPS](https://ercwl.medium.com/hedera-hashgraph-time-for-some-fud-9e6653c11525), and that was the throughput for Hedera up until Smart Contracts 2.0 released in early 2022. > * Unfortunately, there are no good real estimations for max throughput because Hedera lacks dApps and is a ghost town. It's not congested and regularly sees 5-30 TPS without dApps, so it doesn't get pushed to its limits. With the introduction of Hedera Token Service, Hedera has now somewhat caught up to the misleading documentation it had for 3 years. HTS has an upper limit of 10K TPS, but not everything is going to use it, and [smart contract transactions are throttled at 350 TPS](https://docs.hedera.com/guides/mainnet). Some actions, like TopicCreate and AccountCreate transactions on Hedera are down to 2-5 TPS. We don't know what a real performance is going to look like until Hedera builds up its DeFi presence. What we do know is that it's going to be well below 10K TPS and that it was dishonest with throughput documentation prior this year. > > > ##Horrible Tokenomics > > - There is 38% expected supply inflation in 2022, 50% inflation in 2023, and a [whopping 83% inflation in 2024](https://messari.io/asset/hedera-hashgraph/profile/supply-schedule). I'm very skeptical that the retail sector investing in Hedera is aware of how quickly the circulating supply is increasing and has priced that in. > - Only 42% of the supply has currently been released, guaranteeing high inflation for years down the line > - Hedera very likely passes the Howey Test and would be considered a security asset. It is controlled by a council of 26 companies with a large investment of staked HBAR. Holders of HBAR have an expectation of profit derived from the work of Hedera Hashgraph. > - Nearly [50% of the supply](https://messari.io/asset/hedera-hashgraph/profile/supply-schedule) has gone to employees and the foundation. The majority of the rest (40%) is going to the Hedera Treasury. > - The tokenomics a lot like a giant cash grab ICO that will have years of high inflation. That's extremely scary for a retail investor. > - The 50B token maximum should not be trusted at all and likely will not hold. Those validator nodes that control governance are not cheap and will not run themselves freely once the supply limit is reached. By putting an arbitrarily-high supply, they've simply pushed governance change for tokenomics to be dealt with in the future. > > ##Other > > - DeFi is practically non-existent on Hedera, not surprising since it was built centralized. According to both DefiLlama and DappRadar, Hedera has only one notable DeFi project: Stader. Hedera's [total DeFi TVL of $40M](https://defillama.com/chain/Hedera) is less than 1000x smaller than [Ethereum's](https://defillama.com/chains) and 25x smaller than the nearly-identical Fantom's, which has over 100 DeFi projects on it. > - Hedera uses a [predictable fee schedule](https://docs.hedera.com/guides/mainnet/fees). Token transfers are very cheap at $0.0001. Smart contracts gas fees are considerably more expensive at $0.05 to $1. That's actually really expensive for a 25-node centralized service, but the high fees aren't too surprising because it uses EVM, which is known to be inefficient. ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_hedera) to find submissions for other topics.

Tall_Run_2814

HBAR tps isn't even in the top 10

Tall_Run_2814

You're going to keep waiting. HBAR is anti crypto. Its backed by a bunch fortune 500 companies trynna figure out how crypto works.

eckstuhc

I got in around January/February in anticipation for an alt hype. I sold at a loss after holding and stacking for those months. In that short time, there was drama around the latest announcement (false Blackrock hype), then there was drama around how the HBAR Foundation is spending money (exec bonuses or something), then there was some more drama around tokenization or dumping or something.. idk man. It’s an older coin that imo didn’t catch on, and seems like a VC dump. I literally just unsubbed from that subreddit today. I hold no HBAR and have moved on to other projects that show more return potential. Maybe I will miss the next leg up, but I feel more confident in my other choices than this one. This is also me learning from bag holding and “buying the dip” on XRP for years and I’m not doing that again. I may jump back in once HBAR gets their shit figured out and they find some traction. I’d rather buy on the way up instead of holding and trying to time the bottom.

Skyobliwind

HBAR is a quite old project with primarly coorporate investors. I don't think there will be some special bullrun on that. It's actually quite similar to XRP. Sometimes any news trigger a smaller run, but then there follows a long boring phase again 🤷‍♂️

HelewiseHuman

Been an HBAR holder since 2021, bought a lot during bear lows and shorted it a couple times to increase my bag. Time will tell, but there is a lot of misguided FUD IMO but retail crypto bros want a quick moon and I think the crypto market in general still has a lot of evolving to do and I think utility and enterprise use is the future, but greed and stupidity are rife right now, so who knows, but I’d rather buy it under .10 than over a 1 if it ever gets there.

RebelliousRoomba

The HBAR hashgraph is cool and I appreciate that it’s built on a DAG structure. I would buy it but I really hate that it’s on a proof-of-stake consensus.

Counteroffensyiv

The amount of hate that XRP and HBAR gets is truly hilarious. I almost feel bad for these people. Not a single XRP critic actually understands it in my experience.

AlphaD-87

40% BTC 20% ETH, 40% that left is split equally into HBAR, ADA, AVAX, MATIC , LINK, GRT, DOT, ALGO. At one point you need to let it go and trust your choices.

Whiskey_Water

HBAR and Monero. Opposites, but I believe in their respective use-cases and tech.

adroit6

HBAR. That is all

VivaLaBratlfettn

HBAR

AnimatorIcy4922

15 months. RNDR, HBAR, AGIX, FET, TURBO, PEPE, WIF, and NOTCOIN

One_Boot_5662

Solana isn't permissionless, and neither are PayPal etc., they are indeed well matched. If it's not obvious to you the risks of having large central players conning to a network like Solana where validation is out of reach of ordinary people then there isn't much hope for a good discussion. You will be telling me HBAR is a good idea next.

Hurricane_Ivan

I'd look at other ISO20022 coins over those. And I'm a fan of Stellar. QNT, HBAR, maybe IOTA

WebProject

HBAR and ADA - shit, LINK and DOT - need to wait millennium to get profit, ALGO and RNDR - double shite coins. Where is PEPE, SHIB, XRP and ETH?

ricozuri

Thanks for mentioning HBAR. Actually bought it for the tech, still waiting for profit. Hope springs eternal.

UnluckLefty

BTC and ETH are the clear cut blue chips right now. Beyond that there is too much proof of concept and too little adoption to make the argument beyond that. However, we’re all here as speculators and IMO the true utilities will prove to be the blue chips in the long run resulting in generational wealth a la BTC. Projects like HBAR, LINK, ONDO, and XRP are my prospective blue chips that I will hodl across cycles due to the levels of corporate adoption which I believe will result in these being no less volatile than your average stock holdings.

CyberRapDev

Update, I sold NOTCOIN to re-distribute the investment into HBAR, ADA, DOT, LINK, ALGO, and RNDR

WanderingAstronaunt

I heard that! Hedera is making huge progress with big companies and everyone is like, "Check out this memecoin and XRP!" HBAR is destroying these other blockchains in TPM but won't get recognized because it's a "Hashgraph" not a "Blockchain" Hedera is definitely a blue chip.

joedylan94

HBAR - unparalleled projects and actual corporate adoption.

Buy_Electrical

How HBAR is not mentioned anywhere yet is insane

re-connection

I think the following qualify as blue chip: BTC ETH XRP XLM LINK ADA LTC Cryptos like HBAR or ALGO have the potential to make it there.

CyberRapDev

I’ve invested in HBAR, RNDR, JASMY, LINK, Polkadot, ADA, Notcoin, and ALGO. Any other coins that I can diversify my portfolio with?

Josh-Lambo-Tudamoon

Lol at Democrats trying to cope. If you vote blue, you can’t be pro crypto. You know who has proven that? Elizabeth Warren, Brad Sherman, Sherrod Brown, Maxine Waters, Gary Gensler from the SEC (fka Hillary’s campaign CFO). The list goes on…. Trump will use crypto. But not BTC. He will be focused on ISO 20022 compliant assets like XRP, XLM, ALGO, XDC, ADA, HBAR.

jawni

Why do people make these claims into videos? Makes it impossible to fact check or quickly reference. It's part of why I hate that Folding Ideas video about NFT's, you have to sit and watch 2 hours and make note of every timestamp if you want to go back over anything. If you want your claims to be taken seriously, don't make a video unless your claim inherently relies on a visual that only a video can portray. Otherwise you just look like an engagement baiter/FUD, and I say this as someone who is not a fan of HBAR.

Capital-Physics4042

Is it true the following alts are just about to skyrocket in the next few weeks? What's the main narrative in each why so? Thanks XRP, ETH, ADA, HBAR, OASIS If I were to swap some of my ERGO, which one of these should I trade into?

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

Check out Hedera $HBAR. Take a look at their governing council - Google, Dell, IBM, Mondelez (look them up), Australian Payments Plus, etc. They have done more transactions than the rest of crypto combined and they are the clear choice for mass enterprise adoption of this new technology. Start here for some use cases: https://np.reddit.com/r/Hedera/comments/1cehy0u/to_all_newcomers_a_scope_of_major_projects_being/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=CryptoCurrency&utm_content=t1_l44e9jk

Gian_V

Any solid RWA token? Considering moving something from my HBAR position.

Josh-Lambo-Tudamoon

All of you pro-crypto democrats must be teetering on the edge of suicide. It’s the democrats in the U.S house and senate that have been the biggest roadblocks to crypto adoption/fact. Elizabeth Warren. Brad Sherman. Sherrod Brown. Maxine Waters. Sean Casten. Gary Gensler at the SEC. Trump has said in the past that he wasn’t a fan of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies and that’s because BTC is inefficient and there is a lot of crypto garbage out there. What Trump means to say is that he is pro ISO 20022 coins. (XRP, ALGO, XLM, XDC, HBAR and a few others). And don’t start the “Jay Clayton was a Trump appointment and sued Ripple on his last day in office” argument. Because most politicians are scumbags. And it was no skin off Clayton’s nose to file a law suit on his last day. He wasn’t going to be in the job that Gensler took over. It was Gensler’s job to try and thwart Ripple’s progress. Which he did. But now that case is coming to a final resolution. Gensler is about to be gone. Trump is about to be President again. Crypto is at the heart of these presidential campaigns and the democrats are losing the argument. You democrats are on the wrong side of history on this issue (along with countless other issues). So what do you love more? Crypto? Or Elizabeth Warren?

T-Shurts

Just because you think it’s “stupid” doesn’t mean it’s untrue. Algo rocks 10k TPS, 0 forking, instant finality, 0 down time, and is cheap… It just set a record for most sustained transactions. It is also one of the only blockchains that has real world applications… I still invest in ETH, BTC, ADA, HBAR and XRP, but Algo is the sleeping giant friend.

DrCrazyCurious

BTC, ETH, XRP, HBAR Buy and flip DOGE for the lols with some HODL'd again for the lols

WanderingAstronaunt

HBAR

nickkkk777

Bitcoin ethereum and HBAR :D people sleeping on HBAR, gonna outperform 80% of the crypto market over the next 10 years

One_Boot_5662

Chains like Sui, Solana, HBAR, TON etc. are nothing like the vision of cryptocurrency, I find it disturbing that people just see $$s and don't think about why this movement exists. Bitcoin, Ethereum, Cardano, Algorand are examples of blockchains that at least started with genuine intentions of creating meaningful change, though some have lost their way. What we need is for speculation to give way to understanding, it may take another 2008 style event, and a reaction like the Occupy movement, for crypto to finally break out of the libertarian nut-job space, and reach a truly wider audience.

nickkkk777

I’m waiting for my price target to take profits. BTC 100,000 & ETH 5,000 & HBAR .30 Hoping we can break these levels this cycle or I’ll be caught holding the bag otherwise😅

Cilree

No only that. Vechain also completely failed at what they initially wanted to do. That a company like Lavazza ultimately picked HBAR over Vet to track their coffee beans, while this is EXACTLY the usecase Vechain was going for, is a gigantic red flag. They are around since 2017 and have basically nothing substantial to show for. 99% of their "partnerships" are just pilots that failed in the end. They seem to be super bad at selling their product and rather waste millions of dollars on some pointless UFC "partnership" that, in the end, is nothing more than overpriced advertising.

Hot-Bicycle-8844

Try HBAR JASMY

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

For sure. yeah, in this case it always burns HBAR on the backend - but the amount of HBAR burned is automatically adjusted so it stays at a fixed USD price. This way, with more network usage the value of HBAR will naturally rise but without changing the costs of day to day transactions.

HaronBarkonnen

Same. And HBAR.

adroit6

HBAR. Go all in there and never look back

Pure-Fuel-9884

I did not ask for links to research. I already made it in 2020 bullmarket, I don't need shitcoin advice from someone called [HBAR\_10\_DOLLARS](https://www.reddit.com/user/HBAR_10_DOLLARS/).

JustStopppingBye

Take a look around. This sub went crazy when HBAR posted fake news and the market responded accordingly. Just know youre smarter than all the idiots that post in this sub.

G1gl1orononim1con

HBAR just lives at 11 cents now.

No-Virus9420

I'd switch ADA for something with more institutional adoption such as HBAR, and also LINK for the newer PYTH (beeare the inflation with this one tho)

biba8163

It seems pretty accurate. - HBAR went to one of top mentions when they started spamming scam shillposts about Blackrock putting their ETF into their chain - CRO went to one of top mentions when shills started spamming Eminem as the new spokesperson - DOT went to one of the top mentions when shills started spamming DOT 2.0 upgrade bullshit All bullshit spam to make it look like the shitcoin is not dead. The only thing that matters is what BTC does. It's not like any of these scams have a use case, utility or demand.

jawni

>I’m thinking Hedera is involved here. oh wow, the dude that got duped by the blackrock tokenization thinks this news is bullish for HBAR? I'm thinking Hopium is involved here.

Hot-Bicycle-8844

Jasmy and HBAR

CointestMod

#Hedera Con-Arguments Below is a Hedera con-argument written by a deleted user. > Hedera Hashgraph is Delware Limited Liability Company. > > **It's also a Directed Acyclic Graph DLT that uses a leaderless asynchronous BFT algorithm with virtual voting.** This is the same as Fantom, which is also a a Directed Acyclic Graph DLT that uses a leaderless asynchronous BFT algorithm with virtual elections. The main difference between the two is that Hedera is governed by a permissioned Council of 26 (up to 39) while Fantom is mostly decentralized. > > Hedera has [3-5 second deterministic finality](https://hedera.com/hbar), which is noticeably slower than Fantom's 2-second finality, but is still very fast. > > Hedera was launched in 2019 as a centralized DLT targeting institutional and enterprise companies. It is not meant for the retail sector and has almost no DeFi activity. > > ##Semi-Centralized Proof-of-Authority DLT > > - Hedera uses **Proof-of-Authority** (PoA). It has [semi-centralized governance](https://docs.hedera.com/guides/core-concepts/hashgraph-consensus-algorithms) controlled by the 26 (up to 39) members of the governing council, made up of [publicly-known companies](https://docs.hedera.com/guides/mainnet/mainnet-nodes), and the 7 board of directors. The council each control their own permissioned validator used for consensus. > - New members of the [council are approved by majority vote](https://files.hedera.com/Hedera_COUNCIL-OVERVIEW_2022_JUNE.pdf), and existing ones may be removed by 2/3 vote. Council members can serve 3-9 years consecutively before they have to take a 3-year break. > - There are barely any public details about the staking power of any of the nodes. There is also a Nothing-at-Stake issue because there is no slashing or economic punishments. They may get kicked kicked off the council for misbehaving, but there's no economic disincentive. > - The code was proprietary software that no one was allowed to fork, and it was closed source up until 2022. > - Its nodes have extremely [high enterprise-level requirements](https://docs.hedera.com/guides/mainnet/mainnet-nodes/node-requirements). 5 TB NVMe drives, a $10K NVIDIA Telsa V100 GPU, a 1 Gbps sustained network, Google Cloud Compute Engine VM. These specs are so high that they completely outclass Solana validator requirements. > - Every node has a dedicated GCP IP address, making Google Cloud Platform a possible a single point failure for outages. > > Hedera is designed to be controlled by a conglomerate. Hedera supporters truly believe that is still considered decentralized because they do not believe it's likely publicly-known companies will collude and misbehave. I do not think that design fits well with the crypto community, but acknolwedge that there is a niche community that embraces Proof-of-Authority. > > ##Untrustworthy documentation > > * Much of Hedera's documentation isn't based on the current state of Hedera Hashgraph, but on its ideal state. > * It says it has [a fully decentralized governing body](https://hedera.com/prescription)", which is misleading since they use a 26-member pre-authorized Governing Council. > * It calls itself a "[proof-of-stake public distributed ledger](https://hedera.com/learning/hedera-hashgraph/what-is-hedera-hashgraph)", but it's actually controlled by the governing council and uses Proof-of-Authority. The public hasn't been able to stake (other than the questionable "proxy staking") on it since Hedera's launch 3 years ago. > * For comparison, VeChain is more decentralized than Hedera Hashgraph with its 101 authority nodes and [publicly-available data on their nodes](https://vechainstats.com/authority-nodes/). But at least VeChain is honest about being Proof-of-Authority and even calls itself a [compromise between centralization and decentralization](https://docs.vechain.org/thor/learn/proof-of-authority.html) in their documentation. > * **Real Throughput**: 10K TPS is extremely misleading because it doesn't take into account EVM smart contracts. It published those metrics in 2019, when the smart contact throughput [was 10 TPS](https://ercwl.medium.com/hedera-hashgraph-time-for-some-fud-9e6653c11525), and that was the throughput for Hedera up until Smart Contracts 2.0 released in early 2022. > * Unfortunately, there are no good real estimations for max throughput because Hedera lacks dApps and is a ghost town. It's not congested and regularly sees 5-30 TPS without dApps, so it doesn't get pushed to its limits. With the introduction of Hedera Token Service, Hedera has now somewhat caught up to the misleading documentation it had for 3 years. HTS has an upper limit of 10K TPS, but not everything is going to use it, and [smart contract transactions are throttled at 350 TPS](https://docs.hedera.com/guides/mainnet). Some actions, like TopicCreate and AccountCreate transactions on Hedera are down to 2-5 TPS. We don't know what a real performance is going to look like until Hedera builds up its DeFi presence. What we do know is that it's going to be well below 10K TPS and that it was dishonest with throughput documentation prior this year. > > > ##Horrible Tokenomics > > - There is 38% expected supply inflation in 2022, 50% inflation in 2023, and a [whopping 83% inflation in 2024](https://messari.io/asset/hedera-hashgraph/profile/supply-schedule). I'm very skeptical that the retail sector investing in Hedera is aware of how quickly the circulating supply is increasing and has priced that in. > - Only 42% of the supply has currently been released, guaranteeing high inflation for years down the line > - Hedera very likely passes the Howey Test and would be considered a security asset. It is controlled by a council of 26 companies with a large investment of staked HBAR. Holders of HBAR have an expectation of profit derived from the work of Hedera Hashgraph. > - Nearly [50% of the supply](https://messari.io/asset/hedera-hashgraph/profile/supply-schedule) has gone to employees and the foundation. The majority of the rest (40%) is going to the Hedera Treasury. > - The tokenomics a lot like a giant cash grab ICO that will have years of high inflation. That's extremely scary for a retail investor. > - The 50B token maximum should not be trusted at all and likely will not hold. Those validator nodes that control governance are not cheap and will not run themselves freely once the supply limit is reached. By putting an arbitrarily-high supply, they've simply pushed governance change for tokenomics to be dealt with in the future. > > ##Other > > - DeFi is practically non-existent on Hedera, not surprising since it was built centralized. According to both DefiLlama and DappRadar, Hedera has only one notable DeFi project: Stader. Hedera's [total DeFi TVL of $40M](https://defillama.com/chain/Hedera) is less than 1000x smaller than [Ethereum's](https://defillama.com/chains) and 25x smaller than the nearly-identical Fantom's, which has over 100 DeFi projects on it. > - Hedera uses a [predictable fee schedule](https://docs.hedera.com/guides/mainnet/fees). Token transfers are very cheap at $0.0001. Smart contracts gas fees are considerably more expensive at $0.05 to $1. That's actually really expensive for a 25-node centralized service, but the high fees aren't too surprising because it uses EVM, which is known to be inefficient. ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_hedera) to find submissions for other topics.

International-Rate31

This. A lot of people are selling their coins for HBAR

WeAreWater_TieDye

Not according to chainspect. And it's a distributed ledger not a blockchain. Highly centralized and can't have many nodes. I say that with no disrespect there are different uses and HBAR + ALGO are founders of the DeRec

Alternative_Log3012

Have you seen that HBAR dude though? Charisma starts coughing and dying as soon as he enters the room!

Sad-Commission-999

> It's a bit sad that memes are getting the money instead of projects that actually build something that can help innovate the worlds economy and much more. Solana runs at high TPS in real world conditions. This sub loves to praise algo and HBAR for their "in the lab" tps, and somehow believe that if 10's of thousands of antagonistic people were doing a huge variety of transactions it would work the same. The reason sophisticated investors flock to Solana is because their results, even while breaking a bunch of times and with a TPS lower than this are actually worth a lot more because so many more things could have gone wrong.

onelung

Hello? HBAR? hedera!

International-Rate31

HBAR downvoted to oblivion for nothing is a must in r/cc

OderWieOderWatJunge

Haha, I member. "Why doesn't anyone here talk about HBAR? Only up for days I bought a bag" lmao

pawcket

Here's a few others; HBAR, QNT, DOT, ADA, VET

dvidergar

Thinking of adding a coin or 2 to my portfolio. I currently have BTC, ETH, LINK, KAS. Thinking of something like DOT, Doge, HBAR. Any suggestions?

International-Rate31

Check HBAR for a real world utility 👍

InvestAn

Same here, mate. Know the 2 important ones. Also have a small bag of HBAR that I picked up at .05 along with some ABT which has had a nice rise lately. I think your timeline is right too, friend. Hope you make a life-changing killing!! I'm hoping this is a big run for QNT and we're not waiting until 2030. I will definitely keep a part of my bag until then, but would like to see some action this time around too. I have the highest conviction in this project. It's just a matter of when...

InvestAn

So the likes of Quant, HBAR, XLM, etc? If not, who exactly did you have in mind NY saying ISO 20022?

where-ya-headed

Security and transaction speeds. Prominent members in governing council. Use cases that include Web3, enterprise, wallets, etc. [HBAR use cases.](https://hedera.com/ecosystem)

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

Cope and seethe. Everybody will buy HBAR at the price they deserve 😏

hungryforitalianfood

Listen, HBAR is a shitcoin. The holders are delusional and emotional. The shilling is pathetic and obvious. But the whole market has tanked. This isn’t exclusive to HBAR.

Eddie10999

HBAR

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

Yes, and the 1% runs on Hedera $HBAR

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Hedera Hashgraph's HBAR cryptocurrency experienced a significant price drop after a misunderstanding about BlackRock's involvement in its Real World Asset (RWA) tokenization. Initially, HBAR's price surged due to rumors of BlackRock's direct participation, but it plummeted after BlackRock clarified they were not directly involved. The price volatility increased as the Bollinger Bands widened, indicating potential further fluctuations. Despite the correction, HBAR remains one of the few altcoins with a positive performance over the week. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

C-Class_hero_Satoru

Just an idea, you don't have to buy back the same coin Personally I would get rid of DOT, it's dead project, not so much potential. Instead I would get some cheap HBAR when it will crash

CrytoCreisi

Most 'Dextard' Defy coins are, but the Atoms, HBAR's, Bitcoins, Eth, Apto, SUI, TIA and other independent layer 1 top 50 blockchains are legit.

Lolejimmy

was that HBAR rumor/talk even a real thing? got a source/tl;dr for me?