HBAR

Due-Candy-8929

Depends what kind of returns they want to see… wouldn’t be surprised to see alts like ETH XRP etc massively out perform BTC… and then smaller caps massively outperform them… $10k in an XRP that goes from $1.30 to $5 is better than $10k in BTC that goes from $81k to $250k. $10k in $0.08 HBAR that goes to $1 is better again Putting the full $25k in a HYSA and collecting 5% a year is safe but not necessarily better Even the SnP isn’t guaranteed - it might do 8-12% on average but there’s always a chance it will trend downward for years as well It seems dangerous buying metals after they have run hard as well Personally I much prefer to diversify

macetheface

HBAR had a few pumps coinciding with the bull run same as ADA but other than that it's a stablecoin. Many other coins the same way. Now look at the lows. There might be outliers but BTC is one of the only ones to consistantly trend up over time. OP is looking to 'invest'. BTC makes the most sense imo.

Due-Candy-8929

BTC didn’t even do a 2x from its high last cycle…. Alts fell but saw higher % gains… HBAR is down now but did over 800% last cycle

Due-Candy-8929

XRP ETH LINK LTC FLR XLM HBAR SOL SUI… QNT good as well but I don't have any

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midnight4twenty

HBAR ALGO XLM , I can confirm institutional inflow on these, buy the dips and thank me next year. Good luck

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Main_Elevator3837

You dont need to do a lot of research it's simple. Bet on compliance and institutional readiness. Its a long road because institutions move at a snails pace. ETH, ARB, XRP, XLM, HBAR, QUANT, ALGORAND, SOL, AVAX... Where ever you see the biggest corporations and institutional partnerships putting their weight is where the train is headed. Much the the chagrin of Reddit you dont need to understand the tech, just follow the money and the ones actively working to be compliant. It will take a few years.

hoppeeness

Blah blah word salad and throw in BTC. This applies to nearly every asset and stock. What this should be about is utility ALTs like xrp, HBAR, chainlink, quant…the ones actually tracking doing the lifting of the AI agents.

davide3991

Buckle up Algo and HBAR are gonna shoot past $1 by next year

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

https://preview.redd.it/xo4mgsbw5psh1.png?width=2888&format=png&auto=webp&s=41f0a6d12eae81f9ef19dfdf5459ccf75e7740b6 Consolidate more into HBAR. The network that wins enterprise, wins it all. SOURCE: [https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/on-demand/session/gtc26-s81489/](https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/on-demand/session/gtc26-s81489/)

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

Spoiler alert: The SUI tech isn't even good. Look into HBAR and Hashgraph for the actual best tech in the market (aBFT security).

Linett-Chukwuemeka61

HBAR always pumps on news but the real question is whether it holds after the initial hype dies down. IBM listing is solid for legitimacy, but I'd rather see actual enterprise adoption metrics before jumping in.

Alternative_Desk_338

I continue to buy HBAR, not much else.

Right_Strength2170

As expected, both AAVE and HBAR had a nice upswing after I sold my bags, thinking of selling ENA today, not financial advice

Pollack-1953

I held HBAR for years. Just dumped it all a couple of weeks ago. Dumb decision.

jcpham

I bought HBAR under .10

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

Imagine telling people that you bought HBAR under 10 cents.

12161986

I looked into HBAR a long time ago, it seemed to me that the tech and what they were doing made sense but it also felt like the window of time for what they were aiming for was already closed. Was something like .09 when I looked into it in February 2023. So nothing amazing for it to be .128 after three and a half years, although I'd like to think that if I had bought I would've sold somewhere around 35.

Hitachi22

HBAR pumping

Right_Strength2170

Sold HBAR yesterday, also sold AAVE just now, not financial advice.

OrdinaryEvening3684

It’s still 43 percent down from a year. Most people that invested in HBAR are still down. HBAR is known for quickly retracing when it goes up. Celebrating being 43 percent down in a year. This is nothing to flex about lmao

LACRIMLACRIM

This subs doesnt fail to suprise me. Before this surge everytime someone mentioned QNT or HBAR would be downvoted in the oblivion. How the tables turn.

Despaciito

HBAR carrying my portfolio today

hoppeeness

I mean there are plenty. XRP, Canton, HBAR, AVAX, XLM…even things like chainlink which isn’t really a blockchain.

hoppeeness

Yes. Skipped. Too many old school cryptos here to admit it though. Small cap alts are way out performing BTC and ETH and even SOL a little Great example in DOVU. Actually moved from ETH to HBAR…real tech for real use cases. https://np.reddit.com/r/Hedera/s/dTzrZIvOVg

hoppeeness

Depends but XRP, Canton, HBAR, Quant and Avax seem to be doing a good job.

MikeWaz65

I don't hold any Bitcoin. I am stacking: XRP, XLM, HBAR, and XDC

Adept-Condition4644

Hhheeyyyyy, agreed. Got 50% BTC, 25% ETH and 25% HBAR going in.  Almost 10 years fucking around trying to buy the unknown (never realized gains) now just buy and hold.  

Mmkeek

Hedera HBAR.

Peturio

Ran your allocation through our portfolio risk analysis at [Sentralis.io](http://Sentralis.io), with the gold line modelled as PAXG and the two 5% groups split equally. The eleven lines behave like one asset. Simulated a year forward from current volatility and correlations with no trend assumed, the worst 5% of outcomes lose 50% or more, the median path passes through a 39% drawdown, and one in five paths passes through a 50% drawdown. Holding BTC alone gives 51%, 38% and one in five. The mix removes about 12% of the volatility you would carry in a single coin, and shifting correlations to a crisis regime adds only 0.3% to the risk, because the large coins already sit at 0.8 to 0.9 with each other in normal times. Where the risk sits is different from where the money sits. BTC is 40% of the money and 36% of the risk, ETH is 20% and 25%, SOL is 15% and 20%. Those three carry 80% of the risk in the portfolio. The 10% in gold carries 2% of it, and swapping that gold for cash moves the one year loss figures by about one point, so at that size gold is doing what a cash position would do. The six coins in the two 5% groups carry 11% of the risk between them, about their weight, and at 1.7% each no single one of them can move the whole portfolio by more than two points even if it goes to zero or doubles. As a check, a repeat of the October 2025 to July 2026 bear on this mix costs 52%, against 51% for BTC alone. Gold ended that window up 3%, and the lines that fell hardest were ADA, SUI, HBAR, SOL and UNI at 65% or more. All of this is a model estimate under the stated assumptions, not a prediction.

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

HBAR and HBAR accessories.

KidAmulet

Don't let unit price bias make you pick subpar digital assets. You can buy 0.1 of a SOL or 0.001 of a BTC. 10,000 HBAR is currently around the same dollar value as 7.5 SOL. You don't get extra points for having 10,000 of something.

nature_nate_17

BTC for my crypto (any left over change from my reoccurring, I just dump into HBAR or XRP since they're super cheap) and BTCI for my monthly dividends

Serious_Somewhere907

ALGO HBAR XLM , spread out 100K and watch it grow , 1M will happen. Good Luck

srameshr

When will xrp HBAR moon

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

Buy and hold HBAR. Check out the Governing Council - lots of names you're familiar with, I'm sure. They are the legal owners and operators of the Hedera network. https://hederacouncil.org/

wietstar

XRP Algo HBAR XLM

Traditional_Most105

If you want the safe way with less upside go BTC and ETH. If you want something with more upside then look on altcoins that are in the top 50 or top 100, make sure they are not memecoins, have a working project behind them, a trending narrative, good tokenomics and either put all your available money on one, or diversify and hold long term. For example some of my goins i will hold long term and dca on them are LINK, HBAR, TRAC, NEAR, TAO. I am not mentioning them to influence you. Do your own research. I dont know if its a good entry point now. But if youre gonna hold long term and dca on any coin you choose then it doesnt matter.

HighImpact35

I purchased Hedera HBAR at $0.06 and sold at $0.36. Very please with that one.

No_Interaction_9556

Stellar and HBAR

MikeWaz65

If I had $20K to put into crypto, I’d personally lean more toward altcoins than Bitcoin. Bitcoin is obviously the king of the market, but with the price where it is, it just doesn’t feel like the best way for me to stack crypto and chase higher upside. I’d rather spread that $20K across a few solid altcoins with strong fundamentals and use the lower entry prices to build larger positions. Obviously, that comes with more risk and volatility than BTC, so I’d diversify rather than bet everything on one coin. Now this is just my thought; everyone should do what they feel is best. Since I do not have the money to buy a whole Bitcoin, spending 20K and getting about a quarter of a Bitcoin just does not excite me. However, taking that same 20K and spreading it over several promising altcoins like HBAR, Stellar, and XRP seems like a better move. But like I said, this is just my thinking on this. For me, it’s less about how many dollars of Bitcoin I can buy and more about finding projects where I think the risk/reward is attractive.

CajunMoose

XRP XLM and HBAR. top 3

jawni

There are a lot of projects like Kaspa where a bunch of non-technical people have convinced themselves that they can make informed decisions about tech and for some reason they think they know better than all the people who actually have technical backgrounds. (other examples ICP, HBAR, KTA, XNO, ADA, ALGO) Just ask them "if the tech is so good, why does no one use it or build on it?" Then wait for them to inevitably blame a "lack of marketing", to confirm that they are part of this group.

Invest_and_ballout

HBAR

davidn281

I remember seeing a couple guys shilling HBAR couple cycles ago. Still sleeping it seems lol

Western_Language_839

HBAR

EmbarrassedPart1256

$HBAR? Wish I had bought when it was lower.

DailyUpsAndDowns

HBAR

Different_Finance271

I’d be looking for a 10x that isn’t some shitcoin with a $50M cap. Coins that had a +$1B market cap that have dropped below $1B over the last year would be my strategy. PEPE, ICP, and KAS all look quite attractive for a 3 way split. HBAR and ZEC have hit their glass ceiling - maybe you could hope for a double. Maybe I’d throw a tiny bit at SUI - but I’m here to do a lot more than 2x.

00roast00

HBAR

Competitive-Hat-6726

Which has the potential to be more rocket-y between DOGE and HBAR?

DryPause338

This is fair, wondering what your take is on ETFs. I’ve started holding btc, HBAR, xrp ETFs in my Roth while holding crypto normally as well.

joebmurphy55

I have no BTC at all. It was just too expensive to buy any substantial amount. Sure, I would have loved to buy it at $100, $500, or $ 1,000, but that ship has sailed. I just really don't see the point of buying $1000 worth of Bitcoin and getting 1/78th of a Bitcoin. Even if Bitcoin took off and doubled, I would only double my original investment. Not enough to retire on. However, if I spend that same thousand on XRP, XLM, HBAR, or one of the other alts under a dollar, and it takes off and goes to $5, $10, or $20, I have made much more with the same investment. I don't have the kind of money it would take to buy a substantial amount of Bitcoin that I could retire on, so for me it's just a matter of mathematics. Bitcoin is not an option for me.

ShittingOutPosts

You’re in denial. Wake up. Hedera launched with a total supply of 50 billion HBAR, which can be changed through consent of the Hedera Council. You trust these people with your money? Do you even know who they are? The max supply cap for ALGO is 10 billion, all created at launch; circulating supply increases as pre-minted tokens unlock and are distributed. The 2019 genesis allocation was heavily foundation-weighted. 25% of the initial supply was allocated to two entities, with another 25% to early backers, all of which are dumping on you. 100 billion lumens were created when the network went live. Currently a third of supply sits with one entity that sells into public markets. Again, dumping all over you. Enjoy being exit liquidity.

Mysterious_Sleep7443

You forgot to mention XLM, HBAR and Algo these are not shot meme coins, please adjust your original post to include what i have mentioned Thanks in advance

Longjumping-Bonus723

That's one thing yes but the other thing is if a enterprise is actually using a DLT it needs to buy the token of that chain as Fee (HBAR for example) and this is very uncertain still because there is no active law passing it was commodity... Taxes...

Dangerous-Bed-5885

BTC is pointless now. Could swap that for like 2,000 XLM or some more XRP, or a crap Ron of HBAR. Maybe even get 1.5 TAO

Over_Variation_1007

I bought in on XRP, HBAR, QNT, Solana, and LINK during the bull run so I’m down about 50% on those. I also got lucky and sold my Bitcoin and Ethereum near the top. I also sold about 20% of my XRP at $2.75 last September anticipating a bigger drop. I should have sold more.  During the bear market, I have kept buying, but have mostly focused on XRP, Bitcoin, and Ethereum. I’m down about $10K across the coins at loss, but about even when including Bitcoin and Ethereum. I’ll probably sell during the next bull market whenever that and keep DCA’ng every week or two until then. 

JustStopppingBye

HBAR is basically another overhyped L1 where the partnership narrative is much bigger than the actual economic value captured by the token.

Lasatra_

I only have 5% in altcoins (lost a lot) compared to btc and eth.. At this point i wonder if it's even worth to swap them and just either let it ride out till bottom or hope on recovery.. Alts in question: VET, HBAR, SUI

shxftgear

Surprised nonody mentioned HBAR!

zzscrubzz

Consider NFTs dead. Well established altcoins with utility profiles that are publically implemented into global finance such as XRP, LINK, XDC, HBAR, Stellar, etc are the ones to focus on. Ignore the fud, and 'hype', as it largely doesn't matter unless you're a cone who makes their investment decisions based on market sentiment.

schmuhmuhu

HBAR is much better with lower and predictable fees.

East-Day-7888

My education is on Finance not journalism, because if this I had chatgpt re-write my thoughts. In my opinion, no. Don't get me wrong—cryptocurrencies are going to change the world. However, the idea of a cryptocurrency becoming the global reserve currency doesn't make much sense to me over the long term. Nearly every major crypto asset on the market is valued far beyond what its underlying network can currently justify. Take XRP as an example. Its architecture has a practical limit of around 1,500 transactions per second. At a transaction fee of roughly $0.001, that puts its theoretical maximum annual network revenue at approximately $65 million. Using common EBITDA valuation ranges, around 4× is considered normal, 8× is relatively high risk, and 12× is highly speculative. By comparison, XRP is currently valued at roughly 3,000× its theoretical maximum network revenue. That's the definition of a dangerous bubble if adoption and economics fail to justify those valuations. That isn't to say there aren't projects with significant long-term potential. HBAR, for example, uses a different architecture that can scale horizontally, giving it a theoretical path to effectively unlimited transaction throughput. That means there is no equivalent hard cap on potential network revenue. Projects like that may eventually grow into valuations that are fundamentally sustainable. As things stand today, though, I believe the vast majority of the crypto market—with perhaps only two or three exceptions—is trading at valuations that are not sustainable over the long term.

Givefreehugs

lol- HBAR outflows have been terrible. And what you’re describing can be P2P, which is kind of the point. Whatever you’re seeing- I’ve been able to use my Litecoin to make real purchases and I have. Movies, dinner, coffee- I’ve been using it for all of that.

East-Day-7888

It amazes me people still belive in btc at all given its quantum resistance at a level of sha-256 is expected to be cracked before the next halving cycle. This is why I only invest in coins that can flow with security without having to pause the nextwork, let alone a hardfork, eg. HBAR

schmuhmuhu

Road to 1 billion HBAR ETF holdings

schmuhmuhu

Yes and HBAR

Hitachi22

Litecoin's utility is mostly fake. Go any Litecoin explorer and look through the transactions, you'll quickly see hundreds if not thousands of transactions that go from address to address within minutes. Price action doesn't lie. If there was really demand price would reflect that. The biggest proof of no demand is how poor the spot ETF has performed. It's been out for 10 months and barely has $5 million in inflows. Easily the worst crypto ETF by a landslide. Even HBAR etf has $50 million inflows. Those are real facts and proven assets.

Party_Operation_9711

What’s wrong with HBAR?

East-Day-7888

To be fair it makes more sense than eth, which has irreparable architectural flaws like higher payer front running. In tradfi rwa, corperations pay millions to trim miliseconds off their time. What could they do with a 15 minute block. Not that sol is any better the only real solution here is the one with architectural immunity to front running.....HBAR. My guess is with blackrock intends on front running

BioRobotTch

That is me. Do you realise that the EVM QRL are currently working with on testnet doesn't have opCodes which can validate PQC signatures? Other chains are ahead of QRL in so many ways. I don't need to mislead people to promote my bags such as suggesting a blockchain which has taken since 2020 to get a upgrade into testnet (mainnet soon!) is highly active. The whole premise of QRL is flawed. All cryptography schemes will eventually be cracked as computing costs fall and new maths is discovered so orphaned accounts coins will stolen. RSA 512 and 768 are cracked, RSA 1024 could be attacked by a state actor. The PQC schemes we use today will be attacked in the future too. The problem of orphaned accounts isn't solved by using PQC, it is solved with inheritance that something like 'DeRec Alliance' proposed by HBAR could allow. Multiple blockchains are supporting that idea now too.

Zito101101

Sounds like we need XRP or HBAR to settle transactions in 1-3 seconds. Glad you aren’t using ThorSwap

igoldring

The future of crypto payments running on HBAR 😭😭😭🥀

East-Day-7888

No one is saying crypto isn't the answer for these kinds of problems. What I'm saying is that the volatile tokens themselves BTC, XRP, SOL, etc. will never be the answer. Using them as settlement liquidity exposes everyone to unnecessary price risk and impermanent loss. There's no reason you couldn't swap USDc to EURc using stablecoins over a network like HBAR as the settlement rail instead. The entire "token as liquidity" narrative is completely dilusional and not how real businesses manage money. It's an idea that gets repeated in crypto echo chambers, then amplified by news outlets who use AI content trained on Reddit and other socials. a $10,000 XRP is a dilusional narrative created by people who do not understand how finance, treasury management, and commercial settlement actually work.

Much-Okra9895

HBAR. The only open-source network. Literally. (And a myriad of other reasons such as the highest security consensus algorithm, mathematically provable.)

BioRobotTch

You may well be right. But unless they have publicly shown how their testnet is deployed you cannot be sure. I have always found HBAR team to be pretty trustworthy so I would trust them if they have. Most people including me and even you don't seem to know if this is true though so we are going to rely on our previous experience of some less reputable crypto companies claiming massive results on testnet that then never arrive on mainnet. The only thing I think HBAR ever let me down on was trying to have permissionless nodes, but then not managing to achieve that. I don't think that was deception, it was simply technically not possible and it took a while for that to be realised. If anyone could have delivered that it was Leemon Baird if he cannot do that I don't think we will ever see a really scalable across 1000+ nodes DAG for many years when tech is faster.

semanticweb

can you share agentic txn stats on HBAR till date?

ProfessionalAir104

If you want to start small. Buy 1000 XRP. 10000 HBAR. 10000 XLM. 10 QNT. 10000 XDC. All of these company’s have great backgrounds and are backed by a great team. Buy this amount and come back in ten years. You can thank me. Shouldn’t cost you more than $10K or less.

HederianZ

HBAR

vnln

HBAR!

Terrible-Grass6136

HBAR is the one everyone will say “I should have bought when…”

gyeol9

Solid list, especially the fixed-supply logic behind TRAC/HBAR/RENDER — that’s the right framework to filter with. If I had to add a 5th angle to consider: XRP is worth a look purely on the “real-world utility that’s already live” criterion rather than “utility that’s coming.” Institutional payment rails, and recently x402/agentic payment infra building directly on XRPL — it’s less speculative on the adoption timeline since a lot of the infrastructure use case is already operational vs projected. Not knocking your picks, just adding a different axis (proven usage now vs future potential) to the screening criteria.

Independent_Bread980

HBAR seems well positioned for this

Quick-Scientist-3187

Kaspa👍🏻 Finally listed HBAR too! Love me Kranken Pro, beside the late tax record last year. 😅 All worked on fine tho.

JustStopppingBye

I would keep the tokens that have a strong connection to institutional adoption and tokenization, such as ONDO (governance token), HBAR, Chainlink, and Solana. Personally, I don’t like XRP and I would never buy it, but that doesn’t mean number wont go up. I think a lot of the claims made by the XRP community are heavily exaggerated. At the end of the day, XRP is primarily a gas token, and transaction fees are extremely small around 0.00001 XRP per transaction. I would consider replacing XRP with ETH.

Traditional_Most105

PROMPT - Wayfinder and future use of ai agents maybe ? ONDO - recent news about tokenization but questionable use of their coin TRAC - i found it useful in the future of AI info getting messed up and TRAC could be useful for verification of AI data RENDER - The case of maybe hollywood studios, small studios or independent artists using the tokens to use cloud to edit, create art, maybe movies, etc instead of owning equipment that costs maybe more than they can spend on? HBAR - it's token can be used if adopted but yeah news about enterprises adoption of hbar isn't out there but maybe it will be useful in the future? who knows. For the rest of stuff i have like PEPE and SPX6900 bought them just for the rush of it maybe going viral although i know the risks.. HONEY i bought it before researching more and sold half of what i bought although i don't mind keeping it there MON i bought it because it's small and it has a huge upside if later on gets adopted more XRP for the hype of it to be honest SUI as another layer 1 maybe.. So most of my choices i did was based fomo, some research, what people were talking about, based on their price. Not all of them like fomo, research, people talking and price are for each one of them... I know i have to do more research on each one of them and that's why i asked in here for people's opinions. Am not against any opinion in here if they are constructive, have points and answer with facts.

Traditional_Most105

First of all thank you for answering like this. Every comment in here is either negative or non what i asked. I will consider your advice. What do you think about these: PROMPT - Wayfinder and future use of ai agents maybe ? ONDO - recent news about tokenization but questionable use of their coin TRAC - i found it useful in the future of AI info getting messed up and TRAC could be useful for verification of AI data RENDER - The case of maybe hollywood studios, small studios or independent artists using the tokens to use cloud to edit, create art, maybe movies, etc instead of owning equipment that costs maybe more than they can spend on? HBAR - it's token can be used if adopted but yeah news about enterprises adoption of hbar isn't out there but maybe it will be useful in the future? who knows. For the rest of stuff i have like PEPE and SPX6900 bought them just for the rush of it maybe going viral although i know the risks.. HONEY i bought it before researching more and sold half of what i bought although i don't mind keeping it there MON i bought it because it's small and it has a huge upside if later on gets adopted more XRP for the hype of it to be honest

oak1337

HBAR is fuel on the network. Usage forces token demand by protocol rule. LINK is a buyback story. Usage generates company revenue, and the company voluntarily spends some unknown fraction of it buying LINK. It's a "trust me" buyback, not protocol mandatory fuel like HBAR is.

Arijan101

>I'm literally typing all this out, asshole. It really does sound like you're pulling it out of you asshole. >But thanks for the compliment I guess? You're very welcome. >You've yet to say anything of substance, and you've already been dismissed as a non-contender. Since you're not smart enough to read between the lines, or read in general, let me simplify it for you: Crypto was never about tech, it was always about generating enough hype to convince suckers, such as yourself, to buy in so that the founders and maybe a few whales, can dump their bags at a profit. HBAR is no different, then any other 💩 coin. So even though you think you're doing research, learning new things and investing into the future of blockchain or finance, what you're actually doing is falling for an elaborate scheme to be exit liquidity for bigger players. TLDR: You're not a digital pioneer investing in cutting edge tech, you're just a dumb ass who fell for a scam and will be used as exit liquidity.

oak1337

Wrong again. Here we go, claim by claim: >**Permissioned means it's a centralized from the start.**\* False. There are 4 scenarios: 1)Permissioned & Centralized 2)Permissioned & Decentralized 3)Permissionless & Centralized 4)Permissionless & Decentralized Hedera is number 2. Bitcoin, Ethereum, Algorand, etc are number 3. >***That permission can be stripped by this group at any point.*** False. Yes, running a node is permissioned, but reading/writing/transacting on the Hedera is permissionless. No one, not even a Council member, can stop you from interacting with the network. If some entity tried to block you from one node, submit to another. Leaderless. Permissionless access. It is not possible for the Council or anyone else to restrict account creation, freeze or prevent cryptocurrency transactions, or reverse or alter them. The only state-modification ability is deleting hosted files, retained solely for removing unambiguously illegal content (like pedo stuff). >***Not controlled, operated, and run by the public.*** False. The Council **does not own or control the source code**. The source code was open sourced with Apache 2.0 and then **donated to Linux Foundation.** Literally community run through Linux. [https://www.lfdecentralizedtrust.org/projects/hiero](https://www.lfdecentralizedtrust.org/projects/hiero) >***They set the rules. They set the economics. They determine revenue flow.*** Yes, the Council reviews pricing roughly quarterly and must majority vote on all fee schedule changes. That's a feature, not a bug. The only thing that matters to an HBAR holder is HBAR price, not the fees charged or revenue received by the Hedera Treasury. Let the Council decide how to price, they are literally experts from 39 Fortune 1000 companies and top tier Universities. >***Agreements made over corporate law.*** The LLC agreement is public: equal votes, 3-year terms, max two consecutive, up to 39 members. Corporate law is what makes those constraints enforceable. Council members can sue each other for violating them. That's a stronger check than most on-chain governance, where a whale coalition faces no legal recourse at all. >***Agreements like the issuer having a guaranteed seat.*** Yes, Hashgraph (formerly Swirlds) has a permanent seat. They are the organization that did the initial mint of 50 billion fixed supply. They are the organization that builds things like HashSpheres and CLPR, and maintain the network with updates, etc. They have 1/39th permanent control. >***You can't build truly open and global finance on this and they wouldn't want that liability.*** 100% false. Unknown validators means that a regulated institution can't guarantee that they're not making fee payments to North Korea, China, Russia, Iran, or some random terrorist organization by simply using a network. Plenty want to use Hedera's model. [https://www.gdf.io/resources/unlocking-capital-with-u-s-tokenized-money-market-funds-for-collateral-mobility/](https://www.gdf.io/resources/unlocking-capital-with-u-s-tokenized-money-market-funds-for-collateral-mobility/) https://preview.redd.it/7nsjmv7naidh1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=63dc765717ebb2620b0f383e0f23e106e9ce7577

oak1337

Let's go claim by claim here. >Permissioned True. Only Hedera Council members can operate a node (currently). They are on a "Path to Permissionless", but that comes with scale. As Hedera scales, more nodes/shards are required. Shards can be added as needed (linear/horizontal scaling). That's when permissionless comes into play. Leaderless means all nodes participate in every transaction. Can't just add nodes like a permissionless chain can (yet), or it will increase Time to Finality (TTF) to wait for gossip to all nodes. Conversely, with only 1 Block Leader at a time, it doesn't matter how many nodes you have. Only 1 node decides the order at a time. Permissionless =\= Decentralized That's why ETH has 13,000 nodes and a Nakamoto of 1, and Algorand has a 1400 nodes and a Nakamoto of 2. And BTC with a Nakamoto of 3. They're all spectators, your node is a paperweight, it's psuedo-decentralization. >centralized False. Centralized vs Decentralized has to do with **distributed "power" and "control".** For example, a single "block leader" that unilaterally has the "power and control" over transaction order, is centralized. "Leaderless" means all nodes participate equally in every transaction. All nodes are relatively equal. **Equal Node Consensus Power**. Each node has 1/39th "control" over the network. Guaranteed Decentralization as it scales (add more equal nodes/shards, Nakamoto increases). Hedera Council are up to 39 members, all with **1 equal vote on Governance** (equally distributed "power"). London School of Economics has the same vote as Google, IBM, Dell, Accenture, Hitachi, McLaren, FedEx, or any other Council member. Limited time duration of governance "control or power," with 3 year terms, maximum 2 consecutive, rotating. Governance consists of network updates, maintenance, Treasury allocations, etc. Hedera has ~87% coin distribution, so the **Treasury only "controls" ~13% of coins.** >They astroturf the hell out of Reddit and other social media. False. One of the top things Hedera gets slammed for by the community is zero marketing, zero advertising. >Buy assets with real public ownership over the protocol or company. HBAR is not a stock, it's a commodity, as ruled by the SEC and CFTC. >X link in profile for honest human takes and analytics. False. 500 followers and include unresearched and under informed opinions like this one.

Arijan101

You think you're smart because you use AI slop to shill a dead project no one cares about? LOL. 😂 Your post has the average depth of a sidewalk puddle. Crypto is a solution in the search of a problem, it's a pointless waste of time and money, and everyone turned to the newer and shineer thing that is AI. So yeah, now that the hype is gone, HBAR is just another alt coin, in a long series of alt coins, no one uses and no one cares about.

RedKe

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I feel like this topic can't really be discussed on subreddits dedicated to a single coin properly but I am interested in what fellow HBAR holders think of other coins. I will need to research LINK tokenomics more but I thought even if fiat or other tokens are used for payment those are ultimately exchanged for LINK which increases demand. Algorand used to be one of my top choices but over time I have dropped my interest in it. Although it is great tech it seems to have a poorly organized foundation, and the founder (Silvio Micali) is creating another chain for institutions so seems to have given up on Algorand gaining widespread adoption. NEAR, ICP, SUI, and Aptos seem to have some interesting tech and I hold a little of them in case they take off some day, but I also keep mostly investing in Hedera. I just wish Hedera showed more institutional adoption progress like Stellar, Canton, and ETH seem to be getting.

oak1337

Plenty of people care. The goal is for CLARITY and utility to decouple winners from BTC. The value proposition is the Trust Layer of the Internet of Value. TradFi/DeFi, RWAs, Stablecoins, Payments, AI Trust, Agentic Commerce, IoT, DePIN, Insurance, Energy/ESG/Carbon, Supply Chain, Global Logistics/Shipping, etc, etc, etc... Hedera has pilots, POCs, announcements, etc in all those sectors and more. The industry is waiting on regulations. The goal is millions, or tens of millions, or billions of TPS. The world's TPS, with every transaction on Mainnet requiring HBAR.

oak1337

It's currently at 6 cents. If it does everything it intends to do, I think it's easily a multi-trillion dollar asset. Hedera with $1 trillion market cap is $20. But even if it only goes to $1, or $5, or $10... It's at 6 cents now. That's a 16x, 83x, or 166x on your investment. ETH is at ~$2000.... People are calling for a $10,000 ETH (I think that's wrong but we'll see). That would be a 5x on your investment. 🤷 HBAR has a far better asymmetric upside, IMO. NFA DYOR.

oak1337

I personally only hold HBAR. If I had to say others... BTC if you believe in the long term narrative. Started as "the new digital currency for the world", but switched to "digital gold" because it was too expensive and slow to transact. Therefore it's really turned into "hold, hope the next guy buys higher". LINK is connected everywhere which is good, but there's no real driver of coin price. The tokenomics are bad, since LINK can be completely circumvented for everything. Another very speculative one, but name recognition can drive price. Algorand is probably the best "traditional blockchain" tech out of the rest. ICP is also good tech, but it's niche. Stellar is getting traction, but has scalability issues. Canton also getting traction, but has God awful tokenomics. Quant is an interesting one, but not sure the total role it will play when things shake out. There's some other interesting ones like Ondo, Render, Bittensor, NEAR, etc... But that's probably where I'd stop. I don't have long term faith in (almost) any of them except Hedera. That's not to say money can't be made along the way.

RedKe

What other crypto do you think have long term potential like HBAR? HBAR, BTC, and LINK are my largest crypto holdings. But I also hold small amounts of multiple other layer 1s.

oak1337

But I didn't lose all my money... I'm in profit. It's not a worthless project...and I didn't tell anyone to buy HBAR... I'm opening a technology debate. Sooo.... Yea. Next contender? This guy is useless.