HBAR

coronablurr

HBAR is one of the fastest, more efficient (and energy efficient) protocols around. Also, as far as they can tell, is one of the few Quantum computing will not be able to crack the encryption one. Tons of adaptation by large corporations, which has been their main focus over hyping it in retail markets.

FL4SH-

yup, I’m a HBAR, LINK, ETH fanboy tbf

Party_Operation_9711

BTC ETH LINK HBAR SOL XRP in that order for me

Nomski88

HBAR, ICP and Nerva (XNV)

No_Giraffe_4647

I think you did not pay attention I am not holding SEI looking at it and think of entering mid 2027 for now I already hold BTC ETH mainly and some CC HBAR DOT LINK

biba8163

You really are the bizarro Warren Buffet who has a special talent for picking shitcoin scams > HBAR x LINK = THE NEW FINANCIAL WORLD IN 2030 > maybe XRP XLM ALGO XDC QUANT get a bite from that cake. https://np.reddit.com/r/Hedera/comments/1izhhgq/comment/mf8779j/ > Wrong. Just check the Chainlink YouTube channel for example if you want a glimpse of the future ;) Alts are coming for institutional use. I'm 100% sure about this. If you actually do your research you'll see hundreds of entities like banks, central banks, enterprises, regulators, governments etc. being involved in projects like LINK ALGO HBAR XDC Quant etc. =] https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1ldpfkk/comment/myf47ib/ > Trump bought Chainlink. Sergey Nazarov Co founder was at the crypto ball at white House. Chainlink is heavily working together with Banks and SWIFT to upgrade it. Also Headera founder Harmon and Garlinghouse from XRP there. I'd say watch out for these Cryptos: HBAR LINK XRP XLM ALGO. all US based and tied to institutional levels. :) > (Also watch out for ICP(Hedera partnership), Quant (UK), XDC(Singapore)). Just saying ;-) https://np.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1igzsyt/comment/maw5k1c/

Maximum_Swing9788

Agree- XRP, XLM and HBAR are great coins. Look at Canton, XDC and Qnt also. DTCC announced and Canton as a coin being used and will be using other ones. I think XLM and XRP will be used for DTCC. They settle quadrillions a year

Useful_Curve_7098

Thinking gain my portfolio to XRP, XLM and HBAR. For sure they are all set as core for the next financial system.

00roast00

Definitely HBAR!

baalaifarara

HBAR, For meme TOSHI

hoppeeness

Agreed. Anything with actual use cases and only the leaders in those areas. Sad for AVAX and such as SOL and ETH are the chosen winners. There are others like HBAR or maybe XLM that are being accepted by major industries and don’t compete directly with SOL or ETH.

jawni

>ADA Community is not on Reddit. Well I don't know who else would be commenting in /r/cardano if not the ADA community, especially since this thread is making it pretty obvious that any people with negative opinions are being banned. >It's somewhere between X and GitHub. lol thanks for the laugh. Relatively speaking the Cardano community on X is large compared to here, but that's only because X in general has a much larger crypto community then reddit. Relative to other altcoins, Cardano is easily one of the biggest alt communities here, or at least it's been that way from 2017 to recently. I've noticed it drop off a bit in the last year or so, but it's pretty obvious that there is a pro-Cardano bias in this sub compared to other alts. It's the only altcoin that ever has posts about minor protocol upgrades or really just any largely inconsequential shit that still gets upvoted. Any other alt coin, even with major news, will rarely get upvoted and rarely have positive comments. If you're ranking the bias of altcoins from positive to negative in this sub it goes: ETH, then ADA, then a big gap, then ALGO/DOT, then ICP/HBAR, and then you have a massive gap and it's SOL being mostly hated, then another massive gap and it's the purely hated projects like BSC, XRP, TRX, etc.

tonylouis1337

Following the tech would position HBAR as the next champion

hoppeeness

There are some exceptions where usage is tied to owning tokens and using them. HBAR for example, SUI now too it sounds like.

Double_Parking_4390

Allocation in my portfolio is: $BTC- 55%, $SENT- 15%, $HBAR- 15% and then $XLM, $XRP, and $DAG make up the rest of my portfolio. Did get away from $ETC and bought some more bitcoin after it tanked. Stock wise just $SPY and $VOO.

No_Giraffe_4647

Depends what you mean by bottom there is always money to be made somewhere just need where to look on my end I am surfing heavily on my CC position while everything is bleeding out but I am still long on small positions in BTC XRP ETH SUI LINK ZRO and medium exposition in HBAR. The current shockwave is going to last few more days then this will be the classic Yo-yo game with charts, 2026 will be full of up and downs until the greed and fear indicator stabilizes and investors come back on crypto market with greedy behavior.

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Alternative_Sky4613

Prob have more than you. Made a killing on HBAR 2 years ago.

baalaifarara

So you think if anyone has a position (ETH and other alts like HBAR) higher than today's price, they can sell and start to accumulate after mid year.

Express-Memory-9289

I’m so heavy in HBAR, I’m really convinced it will pay off! HBAR AND SOL

ZannyNanny23

i think CHAINLINK, TAO bittensor, HBAR, BITCOIN, CANTON, STELLAR and ZCASH have really good tokenomics and obviously ETH I DID REALLY WELL ON ETH LAST YEAR. ill buy eth if it get to 2,300.00 but im playing the HODL game for the next year or two and dollar cost average all year jus keep buying the dips and short the market on futures for exchange trades. its a hard grind fellas im down alot but that the game.. patience is really the game.. and we have alot of bullish regulation and strong indication that were gonna get to green light for tokenization and banks to start useing this tech... what do u think?

max-avery

I'm a big beliver in the long-term price for HBAR as well

JudgeCheezels

ETH. HBAR if you have fuck you money.

00roast00

HBAR

asdjbf4

Have you looked into HBAR?

wgcole01

I hate to break it to you, but the price of HBAR is limited by how lucky I can get. I'm not sure I can get $10 lucky.

RedKe

Have you looked at the details of Hedera? As a developer I think you would appreciate its tech. I like Chainlink also and they are a member of the Hedera governing council. I would drop DOT and decrease some of your other positions so you could have at least 20% in HBAR. My top 3 are HBAR, BTC, LINK.

Weak-Inspection1198

As much as this is the long term play, I would wager most are curious about the impact this has for this impending cycle (or if the era of cycles is over). With a massive delay for alts, we may end up not having a true alt run. Everyone knew institutions would be getting in eventually. That’s not news. The implications were always a) when was regulatory clarity going to happen, b) at what speed do tutes enter crypto, c) at what volume do tutes enter crypto, and d) what market dynamics come into play when this occurs (who are the real winners). That’s all. My guess is the winners will be very small for the short term: BTC, ETH, XRP, SOL, HBAR, XDC, ZBCN, and Canton.

icnews10

ISO 20022 is just a messaging standard for financial institutions, not a blockchain or token endorsement, and SWIFT adopting it doesn’t imply that specific cryptocurrencies like XRP or HBAR will be used for settlement. Some projects align their narratives with payment infrastructure, but real adoption depends on regulation, bank incentives, and integration costs rather than technical compatibility alone.

Shotay3

Yay, you just discovered the function of hedera hashgraph. Or HBAR. It's basically one of the functions it could serve in Web 3.0. (I shilled this coin, yes. But lost all to a crypto scam. So do with that info what ever you want. I left the crypto game anyway.)

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felya

The H in HBAR stands for homeless.

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tldr; Dell Technologies' white paper highlights Hedera Hashgraph (HBAR) as a key component in creating a trusted AI framework. It emphasizes Hedera’s enterprise-grade tokenization and consensus services for ensuring data integrity and hardware-based AI audits. Dell, along with partners like Intel and Nvidia, positions Hedera as the audit and consensus layer for AI workflows, potentially driving enterprise adoption and on-ledger activity. Dell also operates a Hedera node to support this initiative. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

Renowned_Molecule

I got those. They are classified as Ancillary Assets in one of the bills still waiting on markup vote. Also, ETFs are still in the pipeline for XRP, HBAR, XLM. Not sure if there any S-1’s for ALGO related spot etf. 

Zealousideal-Heat399

I got XRP, HBAR XLM AND ALGO. What do you think about my portfolio?

everydaythrowaway82

Definitely do too.. I hold a lot of HBAR too

MikeanIke2024

Agreed,I’m hoping all time highs revolves into HBAR taking off. Institutional demand 100 percent.

schmuhmuhu

I think both have a bright future, but technically HBAR is above XRP.

PJDB_93

I came acrossHBAR when I was researching. I will look more into it 👍 would you suggest HBAR over XRP?

schmuhmuhu

Research HBAR, great potential!

Enough_Angle_7839

I can see the logic behind that take. A lot of these “enterprise-style” networks tend to shine **for a phase**, especially when institutions and tokenization narratives heat up, and then fade from attention once the market moves on. The real question for HBAR isn’t whether it gets a moment — it’s whether it still matters **after** that moment passes. That’s usually where most projects fail. Saw an interesting long-term HBAR scenario breakdown that looks at exactly that (post-cycle years, not just the peak): [https://btcusa.com/price-prediction/hbar-price-prediction-hedera-outlook-key-drivers-and-realistic-scenarios-for-2026-2030/](https://btcusa.com/price-prediction/hbar-price-prediction-hedera-outlook-key-drivers-and-realistic-scenarios-for-2026-2030/) Curious whether people here think HBAR has staying power, or if it’s destined to be a “one-cycle story” like many others.

Enough_Angle_7839

If you’re really thinking in **5-year terms**, I’d frame it less as “which pumps more” and more as **what problem each is actually trying to solve**. XLM feels more like a payments-focused network that already found its niche years ago. It works, it’s stable, but it also feels fairly mature — upside is mostly tied to broader market cycles rather than a big new adoption wave. HBAR is a bit different. It’s more of an **infrastructure bet**: governance-heavy, enterprise-oriented, slower narrative momentum, but potentially more durable if real-world usage keeps growing. The downside is that it often underperforms in hype-driven markets. The upside is that it *might* matter more in the quieter years after cycles cool off. If you’re looking for something that benefits mainly from retail sentiment, XLM might feel more familiar. If you’re okay holding through long periods of boredom and betting on enterprise adoption actually translating into demand, HBAR probably fits better. I recently read a scenario-based HBAR outlook for 2026–2030 that focused on post-cycle years rather than bull market peaks — it helped frame that long-term angle pretty well: [https://btcusa.com/price-prediction/hbar-price-prediction-hedera-outlook-key-drivers-and-realistic-scenarios-for-2026-2030/](https://btcusa.com/price-prediction/hbar-price-prediction-hedera-outlook-key-drivers-and-realistic-scenarios-for-2026-2030/) Not advice, just how I’d think about the trade-off over a full 5-year horizon.

ItsHoldMyBeerTime

Trade your SOL for HBAR and chill

schmuhmuhu

Research HBAR

No_Giraffe_4647

It is never safe to invest in crypto but if you want to know my ideal beginner allocation of 1000 is 250 BTC 250 ETH 100 HBAR 100 ZRO 100 ICP 100 LINK 100 AVAX

Sassy_Allen

I would read and learn more about ICP. Head over to r/icptrader and take a look. ICP has true decentralized AI. Nvidia, AMD, and Google are going to be at the ICP conference tomorrow. There is a rumor that HBAR and ICP's partnership includes Google using ICP's canisters for things. People are sleeping on ICP because they get marketed to being told other blockchains are decentralized when in reality they are just decentralized ledgers with everything else off chain. ICP is the full stack onchain. Ethereum is trying to rebrand itself as the "World Computer" but the problem for them is that ICP already is that and by design Ethereum can't actually be fully onchain.....Vitalik rejected Dominic Williams's vision for Ethereum so Dominic went and created ICP. ICP's website and roadmap [https://internetcomputer.org/](https://internetcomputer.org/) [https://internetcomputer.org/roadmap/](https://internetcomputer.org/roadmap/) Decentralized AI on ICP [https://devinci.onicai.com/](https://devinci.onicai.com/) [https://www.onicai.com/](https://www.onicai.com/) [https://x.com/shawmakesmagic/status/2012305565741904093](https://x.com/shawmakesmagic/status/2012305565741904093) World Computer Day 2026 [https://worldcomputer.com/davos26](https://worldcomputer.com/davos26)

biba8163

BTW, I warned that the HBAR scam was coming in 2019 and warned that his shitcoin would bleed to death since 2023. Only fools hold meme tech shitcoins long term. > Don't worry, *a new round of shitcoins will be coming with new hype. Soon people will be shilling about Cosmos, Polkadot*, **Hydera Hash**, *Fantom, Radix, etc.* Some of these other coins that are in the top 25 will be gone the way Stratis, Golem, MaidSafe, Bitshares, SingularDTV which were in the top 25 at this time in 2017. **(2019)** https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/bjohvq/daily_discussion_may_2_2019_gmt0/emd4p9j/ > And *like I predicted new shitcoin scams like Cosmos, Polkadot*, **Hydera**, *Fantom, etc did pump. And expecting these scams to be around in a few years is just as foolish as those people in 2019 who were expecting Stratis, NEO, IOTA, EOS, etc to be around* **(2023)** https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/17506yp/daily_crypto_discussion_october_11_2023_gmt0/k4ecz87/ > Shitcoins have rug pull tokenomics which are hidden by partnership and technology memes **(April 2023)** > - Avalanche 76 Million to 326 Million since 2020 (330% inflation in 2 years) > - **Hedera 6.6 Billion to 30 Billion (400% inflation in 2 years )** > - Algorand 1.1 Billion to 7 Billion (530% inflation in 2 years) > The irony is that people who invest in projects like this think Dogecoin's 4% yearly inflation is too high. These shitcoins last a cycle or two, see IOTA, ICON, OMG, etc, while something like Doge will continue to be around https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/12vattj/are_shitcoin_and_meme_coins_the_same_thing/jhatz9r/ > the market gives you indicators of who the sure losers are: **(2024)** > After being -90% since 2021 ALGO, ATOM, DOT, **HBAR**, etc ....are like another -50% since the beginning of 2024. The thing these chains all have in common is predatory tokenomics without any demand for the token. > Doubling down on losers and buying dying projects from previous cycles is a great way to keep losing more money https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1elzgdl/what_l1s_do_you_think_have_a_lot_of_potential/lgweq5l/

biba8163

> HBAR is a utility token. It is Digital Oil HBAR is a Meme Tech Shitcoin Token Dump with bullshit partnerships that will continue to bleed like all the Meme Tech Shitcoins which came before it who all hyped up bogus partnerships scamming bagholders > IBM ipartnering with Stellar to build the World Wire on the Stellar Network for open source financial services network https://www.signifytechnology.com/blog/2018/07/ibm-to-use-str-coin-on-stellar-blockchain > Cardano is going to digitize identification in Africa and IOHK is helping trace Ethiopian coffee beans through the supply chain. https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2021/04/30/cardano-in-africa-inside-iohks-ethiopia-blockchain-deal/ > IOTA's partnership with Volkswagen, Jaguar, Bosch, tracking data and earning while you drive. https://www.jaguarlandrover.com/news/2019/04/money-earn-you-drive-jaguar-land-rover > Vechain partnered with countless companies including Walmart and BYD (largest EV manafacturer in China) with supply chain and carbon tracking memes. https://twitter.com/BYDCompany/status/1037605045309591552 > ICON had a partnership with Samsung and a ton of other companies. https://globalcoinreport.com/icon-icx-partners-up-with-samsung-thanks-to-chain-id/ > Constellation Network to Provide US Air Force With Blockchain Security https://www.coindesk.com/business/2021/08/26/constellation-network-to-provide-us-air-force-with-blockchain-security-for-data-sharing/ > Factom partnership with the US Department of Homeland Security for immutable data ledger on multiple blockchains. https://www.dhs.gov/science-and-technology/news/2018/06/15/news-release-dhs-awards-austin-based-factom-inc-192k > The South Australian Government conducting official election using a blockchain-based voting system (using Horizon State) https://micky.com.au/blockchain-technology-used-by-south-australian-government-to-conduct-election/

Sea-Environment-5938

Interesting, but I'd separate "named in a whitepaper" from "HBAR demand catalyst." The use case makes sense, but the market impact depends on real deployments, tx throughput, and whether enterprises stick with public networks vs private/internal systems.

SnooLemons398

HBAR will take over BTC

jekpopulous2

ETH has 1,131,000 validators. HBAR has 31.

oak1337

The "AI Factory" is arguably the most successful product launch in Dell's history. Dell reported that they now have over 3,000 global customers across industries like finance, healthcare, and higher education. Roughly 50% of these are new customers, meaning the AI Factory is helping Dell steal market share from competitors. Hedera's usage (as described in the post) will likely be significant in the future where AI will be running many things. Every time any services, like HTS and HCS, are used on Hedera, they will pay fees in HBAR. HBAR is a utility token. It is Digital Oil, and it has a fixed supply of 50 Billion HBARs. Increasing usage/demand on a fixed supply asset usually means price appreciation.

cyhiandra

Hedera governing council members pay a small amount like $100 usd for their seat in council and part of LLC. Seats rotate out every 3 years, but members can serve 2 consecutive terms, before having to leave. Council members don't get paid millions of HBAR for their GC role, but there are a few board members who are remunerated for their work. And yes, HBAR grants are provided to projects building on the network, but subject to KPIs etc. just like most other networks with native token treasuries looking to support development. It's a professionally run network with excellent tech backed by mathematical proofs and its open source too via Linux Foundation Decentralised Trust. Hedera is not the only solid DLT network around, but it's done the hard work positioning itself. Worth another look unless your teeth need a bit more filing.

epic_trader

Hedera 100% does use HBAR for stake. It is not based on the value of the companies themselves, this is the most outrages nonsensical thing I've heard in a long time and I'm extremely surprised to see this coming from you of all people. No one is "staking their reputation" on HBAR and you can not in any reasonable way infer that Google being on the council means that google is backing the security of Hedera with their market cap or brand, this is one of the wildest claims I've seen.

HSuke

Hedera doesn't use HBAR for stake. It's based on the value of theb companies themselves, many of which are trillion dollar companies. It's Proof of Stake where the stake is reputation

epic_trader

>However, even though it's permissioned, it has the highest economic security of any blockchain I'm aware of. I'm not buying it. There's some $2,000,000,000 worth of HBAR at stake, by a bunch of companies that were "allocated" their stake and are paid annually to sit on the "council". None of these companies are on the council because they made investments into Hedera, they were essentially paid for their name recognition. That's not decentralized and it's not a solid security model. Pretending like these companies are putting any of their own resources behind the security of Hedera, or that their respective valuations somehow translates into security for Hedera, is for sure nonsense.

Brewerfan1979

You have to diversify your crypto. I like alts like XRP,HBAR,XDC and XLM. I also understand having some BTC makes your overall holding stronger.

Numerous_Wonders81

1) “Hard cap doesn’t equal Bitcoin scarcity / social consensus matters” Correct — and that cuts both ways. Bitcoin’s “immutability” is social too. The real question is: what’s the credible commitment of each system now and what are the governance levers to change it? ETH has changed monetary policy multiple times (issuance + burn mechanics fundamentally changed after EIP-1559 and the Merge). So “code can change” isn’t an Algorand dunk — it’s a universal property. The relevant comparison is how hard it is to coordinate a change and what interests dominate that coordination. 2) “Algorand changed its supply schedule / accelerated vesting” Yes — early distribution policy changed. That’s not “revisionism,” it’s history. But you’re acting like that automatically invalidates everything else. It doesn’t. Two separate axes: Token distribution / emissions (economics) Consensus / settlement guarantees (protocol) You can criticize early emissions while still acknowledging: Algorand’s L1 gives deterministic finality with fast settlement and no reorg game. 3) “ETH ‘middleman’ argument is overstated; PBS/relays mitigate MEV” This is the biggest sleight of hand. Saying “PBS isn’t centralization, it’s mitigation” is like saying “adding a middle layer isn’t a middle layer.” PBS/relays/builders create structural specialization, which creates concentration pressure. “Validators can build their own blocks” is technically true, but economically irrational at scale — so it centralizes in practice. That’s the whole point: decentralization isn’t what’s possible, it’s what’s incentive-compatible. 4) “Centralization risk is researched and mitigated, unlike hand-waving here” Researching a risk doesn’t delete it — it admits it exists. The critique is that ETH scaled by moving complexity and trust boundaries up the stack (L2s, sequencing assumptions, cross-domain messaging, etc.). That’s a tradeoff. Pretending it’s “not centralization” because it’s being studied is marketing. 5) “HBAR comparison is a strawman” Not really. Nobody claims Hedera is permissionless today — that’s exactly why it’s relevant in a ‘decentralization vs tradeoffs’ discussion. If a network has a council/permissioned governance model, that’s a different trust model. Mentioning it isn’t a strawman — it’s classification. 6) “Bitcoin energy per transaction is a bad metric / security budget not tied to tx count” Agree. Per-tx energy is a sloppy metric. Better framing: PoW’s security budget is tied to block reward + fees, not tx throughput. But that doesn’t magically make PoW critique “activism.” The real critique is: PoW converts external resources into Sybil resistance. Some people value that, others don’t. Call it a tradeoff — not a moral victory. 7) “Virtually zero e-waste for PoS is marketing; hardware still obsoletes” Also agree partially. PoS still uses hardware. But it’s disingenuous to pretend PoW and PoS are comparable here: PoW’s competitive dynamic explicitly incentivizes constant capex/opex arms races. PoS doesn’t require burning energy to stay competitive in the same way. So yes, “zero” is marketing — but orders of magnitude lower is not. 8) “Stake concentration introduces centralization risks PoW does not” PoW has concentration too — it just hides inside mining pools + cheap energy geography + ASIC supply chains. PoS concentration is visible (stake). PoW concentration is visible (hash). Neither is immune. 9) “Cardano chose hard languages for formal verification; accessibility isn’t rigor” Fine — but “Haskell = safety” is not automatic. What matters is: whether the platform’s design + tooling reduces exploit surface in practice, and whether composability + execution semantics encourage safer patterns. Accessibility and rigor aren’t opposites; they’re orthogonal. 10) “Overall reads like an Algorand pitch deck; tradeoffs exist” Sure. Tradeoffs exist. That’s the whole conversation. But dismissing protocol arguments as “pitch deck” is a dodge. The core claims being made are protocol-level: deterministic finality fast L1 settlement low fees no reorg / no confirmation depth games You can say “ecosystem smaller” without pretending those guarantees don’t matter.

noviwu97

I disagree with a lot of this framing. It mixes valid critiques with selective comparisons and a few misleading claims. Hard cap alone doesn’t equal Bitcoin-like scarcity. Bitcoin’s issuance credibility comes from social consensus and ossification, not just a number in code. Algorand’s supply schedule was changed multiple times early on, including accelerated vesting. You can argue it’s now fixed, but pretending that history doesn’t matter is revisionism, not analysis. The Ethereum “middleman” argument is overstated. PBS, builders, and relays are explicit design choices to mitigate MEV harm, not evidence of centralization by default. Validators can build their own blocks; many choose not to because it’s economically rational. That’s a market outcome, not a governance failure. Centralization risk exists, but it’s actively researched and mitigated, unlike the hand-waving here. The HBAR comparison is a strawman. No one serious claims Hedera is permissionless governance. That has nothing to do with whether Ethereum or Bitcoin are decentralized. The Bitcoin energy numbers are doing activism, not protocol analysis. Per-transaction energy is a bad metric because Bitcoin’s security budget is not tied to transaction count. You can criticize PoW on environmental grounds without resorting to cherry-picked or sensationalized stats. Also, water-use comparisons to Sub-Saharan Africa are rhetorically charged and analytically weak. “Virtually zero e-waste” for PoS is marketing language. Consumer hardware still obsoletes, data centers still exist, and stake concentration introduces economic centralization risks that PoW does not. Different tradeoffs, not free lunches. Cardano’s language choice being hard is not an accident; it’s a deliberate prioritization of formal verification and safety. Saying “Python and TypeScript” as if that automatically produces better smart contracts ignores why exploits keep happening in the first place. Accessibility is good, but it’s not a substitute for rigorous design. Overall, this reads less like a balanced comparison and more like an Algorand pitch deck. Every system has tradeoffs. If the thesis is “Algorand made different design choices,” fine. If the thesis is “everyone else is broken and centralized,” that claim doesn’t survive serious scrutiny.

biba8163

> We get it You still don't get it do you? I've warned about these predatory meme tech shitcoin scams over and over and bagholders seem to be illiterate and have trouble with numbers. > Shitcoins have rug pull tokenomics which are hidden by partnership and technology memes **(April 2023)** > - Avalanche 76 Million to 326 Million since 2020 (330% inflation in 2 years) > - Hedera 6.6 Billion to 30 Billion (400% inflation in 2 years ) > - Algorand 1.1 Billion to 7 Billion (530% inflation in 2 years) > The irony is that people who invest in projects like this think Dogecoin's 4% yearly inflation is too high. These shitcoins last a cycle or two, see IOTA, ICON, OMG, etc, while something like Doge will continue to be around https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/12vattj/are_shitcoin_and_meme_coins_the_same_thing/jhatz9r/ > the market gives you indicators of who the sure losers are: **(August 2024)** > After being -90% since 2021 ALGO, ATOM, DOT, HBAR, etc ....are like another -50% since the beginning of 2024. The thing these chains all have in common is predatory tokenomics without any demand for the token. > Doubling down on losers and buying dying projects from previous cycles is a great way to keep losing more money https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1elzgdl/what_l1s_do_you_think_have_a_lot_of_potential/lgweq5l/ > - ALGO has 4+ BILLION more in circulating supply since when it was $2. Much harder to reach $2 with that much more supply and that many fewer investors. **(August 2024)** > - Pretty much every single poor gullible soul who bought ALGO since 2019 is at a loss > - When everyone is at a loss, people are looking at a lot of different price points to exit a shitcoin they've been burned in. History shows these shitcoins never reach anywhere near ATHs https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1el3b04/daily_crypto_discussion_august_6_2024_gmt0/lgrgdyr/

Active_Funny_3525

I personally wouldn't invest in either of those two at the present time, not financial advice maybe take a closer look into tokens that the new financial system will be using, a few listed below. QUANT - QNT, HEDERA - HBAR, ALGORAND - ALGO, STELLAR - XLM If you can only afford one then Quant would be the one for me right now, do your own research, thank me later 😁👍

ChrisZwolle

Crypto - HBAR , XLM, XRP Are still cheap. Forex - long terming? I drop in in S&P prolly. Short term? I guess gold lulz

schmuhmuhu

Research HBAR, massive potential

No_South_9912

BTC, ETH, SOL are the "investment grade" coins according to major brokerages. That's why they offer ETPs. Then there's XRP, DOGE, LTC, HBAR offered as "3rd party" ETPs. Then there's the coins with no ETPs offered, only owned by those heavily into the crypto ecosystem.

Murkoo

There is also an HBAR ETF if you are prepared to take more risk for a potential higher ROI

cedarrapidsiaus

Yeah i mean why would anyone be obligated here? I wasn't referring to obligation so I'm not sure why you are bringing that up. I was mentioning how using Ripple/XRP would benefit others, not that others have to use it. Tokenization is coming, a new enhanced efficient cross border payments system is coming and inevitable as long as the worlds tech hasn't disintegrated. If you think JP Morgan is going to be the King of the future of cross border payments and tokenization and offer better solutions and products, then invest in JP Morgan i hope. Good look to JP Morgan finding the liquidity and trust to move the worlds money and catching up to other blockchains years ahead of them. And no matter what a JP Morgan blockchain will always be Centralized because its OWNED BY JP MORGEN. This can work for people who chose to bank with JP Morgen, but that's where its use case ends. People that don't want to use or trust JP Morgan or any other bank or companies' centralized blockchain product are much more likely to use a product that is free from banking, government, and business influence (DECENTRALIZED). Also, JP Morgan can create its own blockchain (any bank or business can) and still use XRP, SOL, XLM, ETH, HBAR, and other cryptos' software. Its called interoperability. Companies with and should build their own blockchains built to there specific needs. Just as they should also turn to others that help them save time & money. I'm betting on both happening. Banks building there own blockchains actually makes it easier for them to integrate with crypto like XRP and XLM through stable coins and interoperability lol. Could XRP go to zero? Of course. My view is that it will be worth a lot more than it is today. If you think it will have no role in the future that's cool. We'll see what happens. You see that article you just posted of BNY? Did you know BNY and Ripple are collaborating? Lol https://www.bny.com/corporate/global/en/about-us/newsroom/press-release/ripple-selects-bny-to-custody-ripple-usd-reserves.html#:\~:text=Ripple%20is%20the%20leading%20provider,%2C%20exchanges%2C%20and%20moves%20value. https://thedigitalbanker.com/bny-mellon-to-hold-reserves-for-ripples-new-stablecoin/#:\~:text=These%20efforts%2C%20if%20successful%2C%20would,regulated%20tools%20for%20value%20exchange. "Bank of New York (BNY) Mellon and Ripple have a strategic, expanding collaboration centered on the integration of digital assets into traditional finance.  Key aspects of their relationship include: * **RLUSD Custody**: BNY Mellon serves as the primary reserve custodian for Ripple's enterprise-grade stablecoin, Ripple USD (RLUSD). This partnership lends credibility and regulatory alignment to RLUSD by having its cash reserves held by one of the world's largest and most trusted global custodians. * **Tokenized Deposits**: Ripple Prime, Ripple's institutional arm, is an early adopter and participant in BNY Mellon's new **tokenized deposit service**. Launched in January 2026, this service allows institutional clients to convert cash into digital tokens on a private blockchain, enabling 24/7, instant settlement for transactions like collateral and margin workflows, which is not possible with traditional banking systems that have cutoff times. "

flash-kicks

HBAR

ComplexWrangler1346

If you hold it long enough you will maybe get a 2X if you get in right now at 12 cents …..that why I always stayed away from billion dollar market cap coins like HBAR , Cardano , SEI to name a few ….their utilities no doubt are some of the best in all of crypto but unless you are a whale and have tens of thousands to throw in , it’s not even worth it IMO…..low market cap coins is there you will 10-30X

ComplexWrangler1346

If HBAR market cap was 5 million at 12 cents and not 5 BILLION I Would say yes ….its never gonna move up or down much ever ….way to high of a market cap and way too may total coins

Business-Ad6390

Why HBAR, it is fkd rn

cashRb

XRP, HBAR, ADA, Kaspa. Need a run to I can dump all 4

saga273

HBAR

RedKe

50% HBAR, conviction just kept increasing and so did my % target

00roast00

HBAR

schmuhmuhu

HBAR Longus A lot

Sufficient-Tap6150

What stands out to me is that even though the narratives differ (BTC vs HBAR vs Stader), your exits are actually very price-defined ,specific levels, rotation, multiple trades vs holds. That’s closer to structured trading than pure belief. Coming from equities, that’s where I’m trying to bridge the gap in crypto too: let the thesis exist, but use market structure to decide when to size up, trim, or step aside. Especially in assets with wild volatility like Stader. Curious ,do you map these sell levels off prior highs / value zones, or is it more sentiment + cycle based for you?

beta_mix

I recommend you look into Hedera/HBAR.

Longjumping-Bonus723

Thanks for the write up very friendly. Generally I agree but the staking things is bad from a tax POV. In some countries you only have to pay tax for staking rewards if you sell them before holding one year staking. This gives me more flexibility to sell/swap without paying taxes eg in Germany. Also often staking is not liquid which I hate. Could have swapped my ICP into HBAR when it pumped 100% in a few days but it was locked. And still it is still possible to get dilluted away if token has inflation that is bigger than your staking rewards. But thx for the explanation

Exxon_Valdezznuts

How’s that HBAR doing…lol

oak1337

Glad you're an HBAR holder, but you're a clown dude. You don't even know what you're sourcing LOL. **Narayanan is famous for arguing that Bitcoin and Ethereum are not as decentralized as people think.** In his book, he explicitly discusses how mining pools centralize power. He treats decentralization as a weighted distribution of power, which is exactly what the Nakamoto Coefficient measures, and where Ethereum (at a score of 2) fails this test of decentralization. For reference, with 32 equal nodes, Hedera is at a Nakamoto score of 11. **Gencer’s entire study was dedicated to proving that permissionless systems can be dangerously centralized in practice.** He’s the one who popularized measuring the power of a few entities over the many. You're citing the very researchers who began to debunk the idea that permissionless systems are inherently decentralized. Basically you’re arguing for the "Aesthetic" of decentralization (anyone can join, if you have a spare $100k of course). I’m arguing for the "Physics" of decentralization (who actually holds the power).... And so were Narayanan and Gencer. You might want to take the dictionary off the shelf and read it. You also might want to read the sources you're referencing again. Thanks for proving my point. Good day.

no_choice99

C'est sûr, HBAR... fallait lire une description avant se tomber dans le panneau.

Lightmare2015

Going back to fundamentals: Let's say I don't know anything about the two coins (which is not far from the truth). Both coins already have high upside potential, which is why I would heavily consider to diversify at least a little bit and hold 2 coins instead of 1. Can be 70:30 but 100% HBAR seems excessive.

Longjumping-Bonus723

DID is used by Repsol on Hedera HBAR in order to simplify their trade network. Easy. No need for some public fully decentralized open robin hood anonymous nerd network. It's verifiable, safe, audited, trusted and cheap this way. :) |=|

Longjumping-Bonus723

HBAR delivering so many great news it's crazy. I'm a happy camper. |=|

OutsideAd7994

Belief is fine, but doubling down just because you’ve lost faith in XRP is more emotion than strategy. HBAR and XRP are different bets, and strong tech doesn’t guarantee market cap dominance. Long term, concentration raises both upside and regret. If you claim you’ve been in the crypto space for a while then you should know diversification matters more than being right once. Just try to size the position so you can stay comfortable.

QuailTotal6181

Ich würde XRP und HBAR halten und mit Kaspa „beginnen“.

TopAlert2383

HBAR wsd at 3 cents. It hit 41 cents. That's almost 14x. Bitcoin is the main chain, but altcoins if chosen correctly can help your bitcoin bag grow much larger.

Independent-Coat-389

Yes. And then HBAR for XRP. Keep doing this twice a day until something happens!

Kontrav3rsi

A lot of this is mixing real concerns with outdated or misframed assumptions. XRPL doesn’t have a hard architectural cap at 1,500 TPS,that’s a conservative sustained throughput target chosen for validator safety, not a technical ceiling. It’s a settlement layer, not a retail swipe network. Comparing it directly to Visa’s theoretical 65k TPS is misleading. Visa averages closer to ~2k TPS in practice, and it’s not a final settlement rail. On liquidity: the “retail LP” narrative is mostly nonsense, agreed — but institutional liquidity providers don’t face impermanent loss the way DeFi AMMs do. FX market makers hedge exposure; that’s how global finance already works. Hedera is solid tech, I hold HBAR as my second largest investment, but “unlimited TPS” and “no token risk” aren’t accurate either. Hedera Hashgraph still relies on HBAR for fees, staking, and governance. the risk isnt eliminated. Reality is multi-rail: different networks optimized for different roles. TPS alone doesn’t decide viability finality, liquidity efficiency, and regulatory fit matter more for settlement.

return_z3ro

I hold both HBAR and ETH. But saying Hedera is “more decentralized” because of Nakamoto/Gini/Theil is a joke. That’s like saying the pre-Civil War US was more democratic because all eligible voters had equal voting power (one WHITE MALE, one vote), while conveniently ignoring that Black people and women were completely excluded from voting. “Permissioned & decentralized” is borderline oxymoron. If the validator set is highly curated by a closed council, decentralization hasn’t been achieved, it’s been sidestepped. There’s a lot of other misinformation about Ethereum in your post but I want to keep this short. I agree there are centralization pressures, and I believe there are other chains that are more decentralized, but that doesn’t automatically make Ethereum centralized. Anyone can verify the chain or join validation. That is impossible with Hedera. Talking about the “future decentralization” of Hedera is also a bit disingenuous. There’s no guarantee that Hedera will open up the network to permissionless nodes. Hype it when it happens, but “maybe” doesn’t belong here. Different systems, different threat models. Redefining decentralization to ignore permissionlessness is just fanboy narrative.

KateR_H0l1day

Cronos is definitely one of those undervalued, it’s done a lot in 2025, probably too much, and to spread out through a scatter gun approach. Projects are still coming through, but little value being seen unfortunately. However, a few weeks ago they hired a new CEO to run their Lab division, this includes Onchain (DeFi) and the Exchange, but specifically excludes the main App, which is basically for beginners. The App acts like a money exchange you see in Airports, making profit by basically trade fees for buying and selling, but it is also the place where their card; banking & stocks are available. So, it is useful, but not around a blockchain and innovation type projects as per the OP’s original question! The new CEO is going to focus on high value projects and innovation for Cronos, including attracting external companies to build on Cronos. Established projects, I see HBAR leading the way, but DOT is still one of those long odds outsiders that could really overtake a huge amount of the field. So, it becomes a potential $Value growth opportunity, utilizing JAM and Web3 as a catalyst. But, much depends on your thoughts around Web3 and its application and adoption for the future. From an investment perspective it is a gamble, but perhaps worth a small, less than 10% $Value of the total gamble , risk appetite is high for this though, just IMO of course 🤷‍♀️

Jaded-Ice-9772

And an SQL database can run even faster and cheaper, but what is the point if it is not actually decentralized? All you Hedera shillbots just spam on social media, probably because you dumped a bag into HBAR and want to feel yourself better. Meanwhile, how can I, a regular individual, run a Hedera validating node and participate in consensus? The answer is all Hedera nodes are permissioned and controlled by huge entities, but you still act like you have something to do with Hedera other than speculation. I've read the docs and the whitepaper, I understand the tech, but no one will look at Hedera the same way people look at Ethereum, where you can run a node and be a pool operator for like $10k

schmuhmuhu

One could use a hashgraph instead of blockchain, there are no trilemmas. HBAR

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

Look into $HBAR and the Hedera Council - it's legally owned and operated by a Council of global companies like Google, Dell, and IBM. It also has the best tech. It's like a global trusted supercomputer network. https://hedera.com/

01acidburn

HBAR

platypus_worldwide

u/HBAR_10_DOLLARS

asdjbf4

If you want safe, there aren’t many projects with a foundation like HBAR (Hedera). People will hang it on their ‘lack of use cases’ but they are well established as a network and are aiming to become the truth layer of the internet. I am prepared to be downvoted but that’s the horse I would back.

grndslm

Can YOU run a consensus node on HBAR *without* permission from the HBAR 'governance clique'? I didn't think so!!

hitmeup303

12K bitcoin 2K SOL and stake it on a app like Coinbase 2K SUI new ecosystem good potential upside. 2K HBAR a good fintech expose 1K ETH 1K hold and buy more dips of any above coins

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

Look into $HBAR and the Hedera Council - it's legally owned and operated by a Council of global companies like Google, Dell, and IBM. It also has the best tech. It's like a global trusted supercomputer network. https://hedera.com/