HBAR

oak1337

Glad you're an HBAR holder, but you're a clown dude. You don't even know what you're sourcing LOL. **Narayanan is famous for arguing that Bitcoin and Ethereum are not as decentralized as people think.** In his book, he explicitly discusses how mining pools centralize power. He treats decentralization as a weighted distribution of power, which is exactly what the Nakamoto Coefficient measures, and where Ethereum (at a score of 2) fails this test of decentralization. For reference, with 32 equal nodes, Hedera is at a Nakamoto score of 11. **Gencer’s entire study was dedicated to proving that permissionless systems can be dangerously centralized in practice.** He’s the one who popularized measuring the power of a few entities over the many. You're citing the very researchers who began to debunk the idea that permissionless systems are inherently decentralized. Basically you’re arguing for the "Aesthetic" of decentralization (anyone can join, if you have a spare $100k of course). I’m arguing for the "Physics" of decentralization (who actually holds the power).... And so were Narayanan and Gencer. You might want to take the dictionary off the shelf and read it. You also might want to read the sources you're referencing again. Thanks for proving my point. Good day.

no_choice99

C'est sûr, HBAR... fallait lire une description avant se tomber dans le panneau.

Lightmare2015

Going back to fundamentals: Let's say I don't know anything about the two coins (which is not far from the truth). Both coins already have high upside potential, which is why I would heavily consider to diversify at least a little bit and hold 2 coins instead of 1. Can be 70:30 but 100% HBAR seems excessive.

Longjumping-Bonus723

DID is used by Repsol on Hedera HBAR in order to simplify their trade network. Easy. No need for some public fully decentralized open robin hood anonymous nerd network. It's verifiable, safe, audited, trusted and cheap this way. :) |=|

Longjumping-Bonus723

HBAR delivering so many great news it's crazy. I'm a happy camper. |=|

OutsideAd7994

Belief is fine, but doubling down just because you’ve lost faith in XRP is more emotion than strategy. HBAR and XRP are different bets, and strong tech doesn’t guarantee market cap dominance. Long term, concentration raises both upside and regret. If you claim you’ve been in the crypto space for a while then you should know diversification matters more than being right once. Just try to size the position so you can stay comfortable.

QuailTotal6181

Ich würde XRP und HBAR halten und mit Kaspa „beginnen“.

TopAlert2383

HBAR wsd at 3 cents. It hit 41 cents. That's almost 14x. Bitcoin is the main chain, but altcoins if chosen correctly can help your bitcoin bag grow much larger.

Independent-Coat-389

Yes. And then HBAR for XRP. Keep doing this twice a day until something happens!

Kontrav3rsi

A lot of this is mixing real concerns with outdated or misframed assumptions. XRPL doesn’t have a hard architectural cap at 1,500 TPS,that’s a conservative sustained throughput target chosen for validator safety, not a technical ceiling. It’s a settlement layer, not a retail swipe network. Comparing it directly to Visa’s theoretical 65k TPS is misleading. Visa averages closer to ~2k TPS in practice, and it’s not a final settlement rail. On liquidity: the “retail LP” narrative is mostly nonsense, agreed — but institutional liquidity providers don’t face impermanent loss the way DeFi AMMs do. FX market makers hedge exposure; that’s how global finance already works. Hedera is solid tech, I hold HBAR as my second largest investment, but “unlimited TPS” and “no token risk” aren’t accurate either. Hedera Hashgraph still relies on HBAR for fees, staking, and governance. the risk isnt eliminated. Reality is multi-rail: different networks optimized for different roles. TPS alone doesn’t decide viability finality, liquidity efficiency, and regulatory fit matter more for settlement.

return_z3ro

I hold both HBAR and ETH. But saying Hedera is “more decentralized” because of Nakamoto/Gini/Theil is a joke. That’s like saying the pre-Civil War US was more democratic because all eligible voters had equal voting power (one WHITE MALE, one vote), while conveniently ignoring that Black people and women were completely excluded from voting. “Permissioned & decentralized” is borderline oxymoron. If the validator set is highly curated by a closed council, decentralization hasn’t been achieved, it’s been sidestepped. There’s a lot of other misinformation about Ethereum in your post but I want to keep this short. I agree there are centralization pressures, and I believe there are other chains that are more decentralized, but that doesn’t automatically make Ethereum centralized. Anyone can verify the chain or join validation. That is impossible with Hedera. Talking about the “future decentralization” of Hedera is also a bit disingenuous. There’s no guarantee that Hedera will open up the network to permissionless nodes. Hype it when it happens, but “maybe” doesn’t belong here. Different systems, different threat models. Redefining decentralization to ignore permissionlessness is just fanboy narrative.

KateR_H0l1day

Cronos is definitely one of those undervalued, it’s done a lot in 2025, probably too much, and to spread out through a scatter gun approach. Projects are still coming through, but little value being seen unfortunately. However, a few weeks ago they hired a new CEO to run their Lab division, this includes Onchain (DeFi) and the Exchange, but specifically excludes the main App, which is basically for beginners. The App acts like a money exchange you see in Airports, making profit by basically trade fees for buying and selling, but it is also the place where their card; banking & stocks are available. So, it is useful, but not around a blockchain and innovation type projects as per the OP’s original question! The new CEO is going to focus on high value projects and innovation for Cronos, including attracting external companies to build on Cronos. Established projects, I see HBAR leading the way, but DOT is still one of those long odds outsiders that could really overtake a huge amount of the field. So, it becomes a potential $Value growth opportunity, utilizing JAM and Web3 as a catalyst. But, much depends on your thoughts around Web3 and its application and adoption for the future. From an investment perspective it is a gamble, but perhaps worth a small, less than 10% $Value of the total gamble , risk appetite is high for this though, just IMO of course 🤷‍♀️

Jaded-Ice-9772

And an SQL database can run even faster and cheaper, but what is the point if it is not actually decentralized? All you Hedera shillbots just spam on social media, probably because you dumped a bag into HBAR and want to feel yourself better. Meanwhile, how can I, a regular individual, run a Hedera validating node and participate in consensus? The answer is all Hedera nodes are permissioned and controlled by huge entities, but you still act like you have something to do with Hedera other than speculation. I've read the docs and the whitepaper, I understand the tech, but no one will look at Hedera the same way people look at Ethereum, where you can run a node and be a pool operator for like $10k

schmuhmuhu

One could use a hashgraph instead of blockchain, there are no trilemmas. HBAR

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

Look into $HBAR and the Hedera Council - it's legally owned and operated by a Council of global companies like Google, Dell, and IBM. It also has the best tech. It's like a global trusted supercomputer network. https://hedera.com/

01acidburn

HBAR

platypus_worldwide

u/HBAR_10_DOLLARS

asdjbf4

If you want safe, there aren’t many projects with a foundation like HBAR (Hedera). People will hang it on their ‘lack of use cases’ but they are well established as a network and are aiming to become the truth layer of the internet. I am prepared to be downvoted but that’s the horse I would back.

grndslm

Can YOU run a consensus node on HBAR *without* permission from the HBAR 'governance clique'? I didn't think so!!

hitmeup303

12K bitcoin 2K SOL and stake it on a app like Coinbase 2K SUI new ecosystem good potential upside. 2K HBAR a good fintech expose 1K ETH 1K hold and buy more dips of any above coins

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

Look into $HBAR and the Hedera Council - it's legally owned and operated by a Council of global companies like Google, Dell, and IBM. It also has the best tech. It's like a global trusted supercomputer network. https://hedera.com/

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

Just a reminder - Hedera is more decentralized than Ethereum, Bitcoin, and other blockchains. In Hedera, we have (up to 39) transparently known collusion-resistant validators, who own the network via LLC, and are located in different countries, under different governments, in different industries, ran on different hardware, building different use cases, term limited, with meeting minutes and meeting attendees made public, treasury reports all public, with no node ever being able to control more than 2.5% of the network, every node participating in every transaction, all transactions fairly ordered with valid timestamps (no MEV), and with the network's entire open-source code donated to a 3rd party for decentralized meritocracy-based development (Linux Foundation). In Ethereum, they have no way to control massive staking providers like Lido, Coinbase, and now even the ETFs which are going to begin staking. It is inevitible they only become more and more centralized over time. Also, in Ethereum they have leaders which means they have frontrunning (MEV); in other words, they give *one validator* the ability to arbitrarily reorder transactions inside the block and profit off of it. This is your "decentralized chain" - allowing one person to steal money from any user on the network. Hedera and $HBAR will win. Don't midcurve this.

everydaythrowaway82

Look up ISO 20022 coins.. most every one is pretty good.. I’m partial to HBAR, XDC and XLM… Chainlink and Sui are good too

everydaythrowaway82

If you like HBAR (I do too) check out Chainlink, Sui, and XDC I think all have huge potential

Express-Memory-9289

Very good choice. Been buying HBAR for a long time now, and holding. Mathematically superior to many blockchains. Hedera is also governed by a council of global enterprises, not anonymous devs or VC cabals. Real use case too with regulatory alignment. It could potentially 100X but in like a decade maybe? At its current price, it’s an attractive and asymmetric bet. I can see it breaking through 0.30 near future. Hopefully we touch previous ATH too.

saga273

HBAR already solved it, it just does not have the adoption ETH has.

kindaforgotit

HBAR will never take off, CC is the new thing

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

Look into $HBAR and the Hedera Council. The Hedera network is legally owned and operated by a global council of leading companies like Google, IBM, Dell. Also, it has the best tech because it's built on Hashgraph, which is a totally new invention, and not a blockchain.

schmuhmuhu

If fundamentals are important to you, research HBAR. It ticks all the boxes!

Hungry-Let-3012

Adding some ISO20022 aligned projects is even better (QNT, HBAR, XLM, XDC, XRP, ZBCN).

ThrowRA-hamburger

both are just riding hype waves tbh. XRP has the ETF narrative at least but HBAR is pure speculation. SEI's got better fundamentals and actual parallelization if you want something real

Waterman707

Only one on that list I would consider holding is HBAR

No_Client9787

HBAR is quantum resistant. You can wrap coins like BTC in HBAR

00roast00

This is why I like HBAR, quantum resistant

schmuhmuhu

Invest in Layer 0 - HBAR

Mulvita43

Aye LINK and HBAR here as privacy coins exploded

No_Giraffe_4647

I am slowly accumulating with 4 percent max of my total investment pool and I opted out for diversified approach between most promising chains with real use case application my selection for magnificent 7 future crypto index is: BTC ETH SOL AVAX XRP HBAR LINK

No_Giraffe_4647

This is not only a Cardano issue all main blockchain are following same trend especially alt coin like AVAX DOT ATOM HBAR you name it. The time was really bad for crypto market as greed and fear indicator is at the top which means investors are very careful and reduce their exposure. Some argue that it is because it is worthless some others will say it is golden opportunity just double down on that. On my end I am positioning right in the middle thinking that crypto is still young and need to convince to get mass adoption. However gambling several thousands on a single asset coin (yes I this case it is gambling) is not a wise choice on my end I really prefer ETH far more because of the network weight activity ( it charges gas fee that are going back to the network so holder la benefit from it) and it plays a strong role as backbone for DÉFI applications. In my opinion it is better to have same approach as investment you need to diversify on my end I have selected 20 layer 1 assets and putting a few dollars on each every month. But crypto has no guarantee to become profitable and you are exposed to higher risk than stock market you could loose all so be careful only put money you can afford to loose (I only put 4 percent of my investments in cryptos and I stay away from all meme coins and layer 2 projects except chainlink for its interoperability)

SavingsDimensions74

This is why I hold all of the above. Like you said, it’s just money rotating for the best or safest gains. Much like how a river flows to the see. Crypto right now is near rock bottom (of course there is the possibility that it falls off a cliff but I think that unlikely) so it’s a good place to buy sensible coins. What do I mean be sensible? Well utility obviously. There will be winners and losers. The two things that strike me are disrupting banking, the fees and time lag. Hence CRV, XRP & LINK The second, is probability. When I see a TikTok or an IG, my immediate reaction is whether this is real or AI. I’m kinda better on HBAR and TRAC for this. I might be totally wrong on this. Nonetheless, we are entering a new ecosystem. There will be winners and losers. Hence why I play my bets on multiple actors. I only need one to come in. Also, I’m not leveraged and also this is not financial advice

biba8163

> much Tech, much Wow *Since 12/31/2021* | Crypto | Price | |:---|:---|:---| | ATOM | 🔻 -93.94% | ALGO | 🔻 -93.20% | DOT | 🔻 -93.12% | NEAR | 🔻 -89.56% | ICP | 🔻 -88.48% | AVAX | 🔻 -88.46% | HBAR | 🔻 -62.19%

NorthpoleLovers

As an ex 6-digit ADA holder (sold after the peak), I totally get that. But HBAR, really? 😂

Pianomastermind88

HBAR.

darkdemon991

HBAR

platypus_worldwide

I considered and even held AVAX, SOL, ARB, LINK, but in the end, I exclusively hold HBAR

Mauroneo

If you had bought BTC for 15k to 30k, you would have at least 150k/200k. Your problem is not understanding that the name of the game is accumulating SATs... nothing more. You know for next time; if I were you, I would put everything in HBAR and wait until 2028, thats 200k coins im sure this project will see a dollar.

Altruistic_Mobile_60

I don't see why you called it investment when all you buy is Shit coin. The only one I got on that list is HBAR and I put lesser then 1% on it.

schmuhmuhu

HBAR

MariachiArchery

VeChain was supposed to revolutionize the supply chain, logistics, and provide tracible provenance. Stellar was supposed to replace SWIFT payments. HBAR and 0x were supposed to be *the* DeFi applications for the next cycle. Polkadot was supposed to let all the different bock chains transact with each other for cheap, was also supposed to be an ETH killer. And Polygon was once the best L2 solution for ETH on the market. All of these projects were real, and had hype. I understand why OP is in the situation he's in. This very sub shilled the *fuck* out of all these projects at one point. If you went back in time and took a snapshot of this sub at any given point, you'd think any one of these projects would have flipped BTC by now. I get it. Unfortunately, this is a lesson OP get's to learn the hard way. I think a lot of us here have learned this lesson the hard way.

Protocol_Man123

I have sold Solana a few days ago. Sold Fet also. I now have these 6 --> BTC, ETH, XRP, LINK, SUI, and HBAR.

No_Giraffe_4647

If I had to put another chunk like 4000 in crypto it would be like : 2000 BTC 1000 ETH 500 SOL 100 AVX 100 HBAR 100 XRP 100 DOT 100 LINK

No_Giraffe_4647

I would add the layer zero coins like polkadot amd cosmos as all blockchains are linked to their network and stacking rewards could be a game changer on long run After that there is avalanche, sui, XRP and HBAR that offers nice long term outlook as they have done a lot of growth in terms of TVL. Finally I would recommend Solana as well for a well developed ecosystem and fast transactions Anyways now I have all of these in my portfolio but main key actor for me is Ether. Bitcoin is good to diversify amd use as a liquidity pool but the return rate will be way lower than others on the long run

noviwu97

Plenty of alts pumped a lot at one point in 2024. We got: - Solana season (SOL and memes) - AI season (TAO, FET, NEAR, etc) - Made in US season (XRP, HBAR, ADA, etc) - Privacy season (ZEC, XMR) - ETH season after Tom Lee's buying - Perps season (Hype, Aster) - And many more. There's a season for every type of investors from convservative to degen. You most likely didn't miss them. But you bought too high and refuse to sell even after 4-5x from the bottom. Even ADA quickly went from 0.3 to 1.2.

mario8448

Which wallet do you use to hold HBAR? I can't add HBAR to my trust wallet.

oak1337

The way I see it... HBAR is literally unbeatable from a tech perspective. It operates at the limits of physics and scales as hardware scales. From the beginning, the ultimate goal of all DLTs was to achieve ABFT consensus at unlimited scalability. Hedera achieves that.

IssaKiller21

Choosing between assets like XLM or HBAR for a five year hold really comes down to how you view their use cases and adoption potential because each project targets a slightly different niche in the payments and enterprise space. Long term holds require confidence in fundamentals and network growth rather than hoping for short term gains. At the same time I also think about ways to participate in the blockchain space that are tied to real world economic value and not only token selection. Platforms like Fractionvest io offer tokenized fractional ownership in real world assets such as property or energy projects which gives a different type of exposure that connects innovation with tangible value alongside your crypto holdings.

MHSN_WEB333

Honestly, both XLM and HBAR have been around long enough to prove the tech works, but adoption is the real question. HBAR looks stronger on partnerships, while XLM feels more established in payments. I don’t think it’s a clear winner either way. What’s the main factor you’re using to decide?

biba8163

Dummies still haven't learned to count and avoid predatory token dump projects no matter how much you try to help them. > Shitcoins have rug pull tokenomics which are hidden by partnership and technology memes **(April 2023)** > - Avalanche 76 Million to 326 Million since 2020 (330% inflation in 2 years) > - Hedera 6.6 Billion to 30 Billion (400% inflation in 2 years ) > - Algorand 1.1 Billion to 7 Billion (530% inflation in 2 years) > The irony is that people who invest in projects like this think Dogecoin's 4% yearly inflation is too high. These shitcoins last a cycle or two, see IOTA, ICON, OMG, etc, while something like Doge will continue to be around https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/12vattj/are_shitcoin_and_meme_coins_the_same_thing/jhatz9r/ > the market gives you indicators of who the sure losers are: **(August 2024)** > After being -90% since 2021 ALGO, ATOM, DOT, HBAR, etc ....are like another -50% since the beginning of 2024. The thing these chains all have in common is predatory tokenomics without any demand for the token. > Doubling down on losers and buying dying projects from previous cycles is a great way to keep losing more money https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1elzgdl/what_l1s_do_you_think_have_a_lot_of_potential/lgweq5l/ > - ALGO has 4+ BILLION more in circulating supply since when it was $2. Much harder to reach $2 with that much more supply and that many fewer investors. **(August 2024)** > - Pretty much every single poor gullible soul who bought ALGO since 2019 is at a loss > - When everyone is at a loss, people are looking at a lot of different price points to exit a shitcoin they've been burned in. History shows these shitcoins never reach anywhere near ATHs https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1el3b04/daily_crypto_discussion_august_6_2024_gmt0/lgrgdyr/ > The Chainlink Cult and hype pushed LINK price to ~$20 in August 2020 at the tail end of the previous bear market. **(October 2023)** > https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/20200816/ > Since then, they have dumped about ~200 Million tokens or 60% more tokens into the circulating supply and bagholders who bought into the hype not only missed out on bullrun gains but are down -60% since 2020. > Sergey Nazarov has 450,000,000 more tokens to dump on the market. Where do you think the price is going to go long term with zero demand and zero utility for the token besides bullshit hype? Token not needed. https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/172kuqq/daily_crypto_discussion_october_8_2023_gmt0/k4041tj/ Lastly, look at at XRP token dump and the price action over a 8-year period. | coin | prev. ATH mkcap(price) | current mkcap(price) | Δmkcap | Δprice | Δsupply |:-----------|------------:|:------------:|:------------:|:------------:|:------------:| | XRP | $141 Billion ($3.65)| $113 Billion ($1.86) | -19.86% | -51% | 56.9%

nugymmer

You fucking serious? The dev locks up their supply and releases it over time. Why would you trust anything where the tokens are locked up by the dev team or “chosen ones” like with HBAR? C’mon man fuck that. Don’t be a victim, stick with BTC. The rest is fucking sea foam.

Randomized007

I'm 50% btc, 15% eth, the rest are SUI, XRP, SOL, LINK, AVAX, QNT, ONDO & HBAR

platypus_worldwide

HBAR and forget

schmuhmuhu

HBAR

joedylan94

HBAR my friend

RamoneBolivarSanchez

HBAR is absolute garbage lol

Valyarian

Can you explain more about HBAR playing a bigger part than Chainlink?

biba8163

**The Age of Shitcoins is Over** > If BTC hits $100K AND Trump gets elected AND Gary Gensler gets fired AND the FED does a few rate cuts AND the stock market does well AND my Alt gets an ETF, then my Alt will surely moon! - $100K BTC, $110K BTC, $120K BTC! - Pro-Crypto Scammer President! - Gary Gensler fired! - FED cuts rates 3 times! - Stock market up 15% YTD! - ETH gets an ETF! ETH still -35% from 2021 high - XRP gets an ETF! XRP still -50% from 2018 ATH - LINK gets an ETF! LINK still -35% from 2020 high - LTC gets an ETF! LTC still -80% from 2021 ATH - HBAR gets an ETF! HBAR still -80% from 2021 ATH **The Alt Marketcap is Shrinking** The total Alt marketcap: - down -40% from 2021 - never reached 2021 levels throughout the bullrun - went up 5.4X from 2017 to 2021. Now it can't even reach levels from 4 years ago. | | Dec. 2017 | Nov. 2021 | Dec. 2025 |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:|:------------:| | BTC | $0.32T | $1.23T | $1.76T | Total Alt | $0.282T | $1.52T | $0.90T | Stablecoin | $0.001T | $0.11T | $0.32T | Total Crypto| $0.603T | $2.86T | $2.98T

CampHot5917

What support u talking and what the price target for HBAR if that support is broken?

IssaKiller21

The idea of traditional systems like SWIFT urging cooperation with blockchain networks like XRP or HBAR shows how much the payments landscape is evolving. If old and new systems find ways to work together it could push adoption and make cross border value movements more efficient for everyone. At the same time I also like to think about ways to connect blockchain innovation with real world economic value outside of pure token speculation. Platforms like Fractionvest io focus on tokenized fractional ownership in real world assets such as property or energy projects which gives a different type of exposure that is tied to tangible value rather than only market narratives.

biba8163

> People just aren’t buying alts The Age of Shitcoins is Over > If BTC hits $100K AND Trump gets elected AND Gary Gensler gets fired AND the FED does a few rate cuts AND the stock market does well AND my Alt gets an ETF, then my Alt will surely moon! - $100K BTC, $110K BTC, $120K BTC! - Pro-Crypto Scammer President! - Gary Gensler fired! - FED cuts rates 3 times! - Stock market up 15% YTD! - ETH gets an ETF! ETH still -35% from 2021 high - XRP gets an ETF! XRP still -50% from 2018 ATH - LINK gets an ETF! LINK still -35% from 2020 high - LTC gets an ETF! LTC still -80% from 2021 ATH - HBAR gets an ETF! HBAR still -80% from 2021 ATH

biba8163

> If BTC hits $100K AND Trump gets elected AND Gary Gensler gets fired AND the FED does a few rate cuts AND the stock market does well AND my Alt gets an ETF, then my Alt will surely moon! - $100K BTC, $110K BTC, $120K BTC! - Pro-Crypto Scammer President! - Gary Gensler fired! - FED cuts rates 3 times! - Stock market up 15% YTD! - ETH gets an ETF! ETH still -35% from 2021 high - XRP gets an ETF! XRP still -50% from 2018 ATH - LINK gets an ETF! LINK still -35% from 2020 high - LTC gets an ETF! LTC still -80% from 2021 ATH - HBAR gets an ETF! HBAR still -80% from 2021 ATH *What is the investment thesis for Alts now? What could possibly propel Alts to new ATHs?* > Consolidating, when we boom to 110k alts will go bananas (December 2024) https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hcz79l/daily_crypto_discussion_december_13_2024_gmt0/m1uit1k/ > btc to 110k tmr smashing the alts to outerspace. (December 2024) https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hhfmsi/daily_crypto_discussion_december_19_2024_gmt0/m2sq87h/ > BTC dominance can still go higher. We would need a leg up to 110k more or less, consolidate there and then alts will go ballistic (December 2024) https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hcz79l/daily_crypto_discussion_december_13_2024_gmt0/m1wde9n/

biba8163

> If BTC hits $100K, Trump gets elected, Gary Gensler gets fired, the FED does a few rate cuts, the stock market does well AND my Alt gets an ETF, my Alt will surely moon! - $100K BTC, $110K BTC, $120K BTC! - Pro-Crypto Scammer President! - Gary Gensler fired! - FED cuts rates 3 times! - Stock market up 15% YTD - ETH gets an ETF! ETH still -35% from 2021 high - XRP gets an ETF! XRP still -50% from 2018 ATH - LINK gets an ETF! LINK still -35% from 2020 high - LTC gets an ETF! LTC still -80% from 2021 ATH - HBAR gets an ETF! HBAR still -80% from 2021 ATH What is the investment thesis for Alts now? What could possibly propel Alts to new ATHs? > Consolidating, when we boom to 110k alts will go bananas (December 2024) https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hcz79l/daily_crypto_discussion_december_13_2024_gmt0/m1uit1k/ > btc to 110k tmr smashing the alts to outerspace. (December 2024) https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hhfmsi/daily_crypto_discussion_december_19_2024_gmt0/m2sq87h/ > BTC dominance can still go higher. We would need a leg up to 110k more or less, consolidate there and then alts will go ballistic (December 2024) https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hcz79l/daily_crypto_discussion_december_13_2024_gmt0/m1wde9n/

Strange_Entrance_732

I just put my entire bonus check into HBAR. RIP.

Kod-i

HBAR has been a lame duck for awhile…good news dump, bad news dump, no news dump

Straight-Coffee-8637

Arrr, me HBAR treasure be sinkin faster than a cannonball and it's got me timbers shiverin

platypus_worldwide

long on HBAR

cedarrapidsiaus

100% good thinking here. Although if XRP was created (opencoin back then) on the behalf of the entities behind the fed. it would be common sense they want xrp a part of the future and to be a valuable asset because they would profit insanely. Visa and Swift creating their own coin limits their potential profitability substantially. Visa and swift are miles behind the XRP ledger and the Stellar Network. Swift doesn't transfer value cheap. Visa can be argued as cheap compared to swift but is no where near as cheap as XRP/XLM/HBAR transactions. It's also the cross border mechanism you didn't mention. Going through Swift and visa takes days and aren't cheap to exchange currencies across the world. They especially aren't cheap with the transactions are large sums of money. XRP and XLM solve this. Also, transactions CAN be reversed running on the XRP Ledger and Stellar Network. The only transactions that aren't reversible would be if we were sending the underlying assets (XRP or XLM) or native coins. However stable coins running on these DLT's CAN be reversed. So XRP and XLM are much cheaper, much faster, way more scalable providing liquidity and utility never seen before, more secure, smart contract capable, and have the capability to tokenize any source of value to their ledgers and transact it in real time across the world instantly and insanely cheap. Vehicles, precious medals, real estate, data, the stock market, and more can and most likely will be tokenized in the future. XRP and XLM are in prime position to capture some of that market share.

Illustrious_Mix4946

Personally, I wouldn’t frame this as “which memecoin to HODL till 2026.” Most of the majors (SOL, HBAR, etc.) are currently trading near key support zones, and that matters more than narratives right now. I scanned 5–6 coins on chartscanner.ai and the story is pretty similar across the board: price is sitting on support after a drawdown. At this stage, the decision isn’t about conviction it’s about risk control. For me, the play is simple: Start positions only near support Keep a hard stop if that support breaks Accept a small loss instead of hoping If support holds, you’re early. If it fails, you’re out with capital intact. That’s a better framework than trying to predict which meme survives till 2026. Just my approach do what fits your risk tolerance.

jekpopulous2

Because what is it going to be used for when it doesn’t support smart contracts? The tech is also old news. It uses Gossip on Gossip which is the same as HBAR. It’s honestly pretty fast but at this point there are much faster chains that can perform much more complex operations. It’s not terrible… just mediocre.

jekpopulous2

Cons: There are only 31 validators so you have to be OK with a more centralized DPOS model. Also… while the consensus layer is fast (about 10k TPS) the execution layer is much slower. It can only handle around 350 smart contracts per second. Other chains with parallel execution can process smart-contracts much faster. Sonic (for example) can do 2000 per second. I don’t hate HBAR but the tech isn’t especially impressive at this point.

BakedNRetir3d

HBAR (Hedra) Have a look at that one.

CampHot5917

What about HBAR?

Equal-Breath-9043

I'm new to this and have a bit of HBAR, why do you think it will?

00roast00

HBAR definitely

Lasatra_

I'm in a similar boat with CKB, SUI, HBAR, VET,.. It's a bit more than 170usd.. With VET being my biggest hold.. Should I apply the same idea or... ?

JustStopppingBye

>DOES NOT MEAN that Chainlink’s oracle can not be integrated with the XRPL. Of course it can be, but they need to pay for a integration, just like Solana, HBAR and all the big chains did lol. >I have repeatedly stated that ‘any oracle can be used on the XRPL because the XRPL allows any oracle to be used’, this is 100% factual. But you being quite the low hanging fruit keep thinking that because Chainlink’s oracle is not currently integrated that means that it can’t, of course it can, any oracle can be integrated into the XRPL as I have stated a dozen times to you Mr. Dense AF.\\ What youre describing is not using chainlink oracles and I explained why. The data needs to come directly from chainlink. >Any oracle can be used on the XRPL because the XRPL allows any oracle to be used. False. XRPL is not using chainlink oracles, theyre using relayer that may or may not send accurate chainlink data.

biba8163

> My goodnes...the TECH! I remember warning of ATOM, DOT, HBAR back in 2019... > Don't worry, *a new round of shitcoins will be coming with new hype. Soon people will be shilling about Cosmos, Polkadot, Hydera Hash, Fantom, Radix, etc.* Some of these other coins that are in the top 25 will be gone the way Stratis, Golem, MaidSafe, Bitshares, SingularDTV which were in the top 25 at this time in 2017. **(2019)** https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/bjohvq/daily_discussion_may_2_2019_gmt0/emd4p9j/ ....and in 2023 warning people this shit was going to be dead like all shitcoins > And *like I predicted new shitcoin scams like Cosmos, Polkadot, Hydera, Fantom, etc did pump. And expecting these scams to be around in a few years is just as foolish as those people in 2019 who were expecting Stratis, NEO, IOTA, EOS, etc to be around* **(2023)** https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/17506yp/daily_crypto_discussion_october_11_2023_gmt0/k4ecz87/

platypus_worldwide

HBAR SOL AVAX ARB LINK I have faith

PMmeuroneweirdtrick

This could be me. Though I just need HBAR to return to 25c to breakeven. I'll keep DCA'ing down and hope it can get there.

mistermoodle

Thank you. That does lessen my concerns. I’m very glad to be aware of HBAR 🚀

Purplenastie

You need to study and make your own decisions. Every one tries to sell you the coin they bought and they probably bought because some tik tok vid or you tube guy told them to buy. My advise, all crypto investment should be long term. Safest play, BTC then ETH Best return on investment and still safe $QNT (Study Quant Network) Other good plays $HBAR, $TAO, Safest play, split investment over all 5.

jockornerd

Let’s take the “decentralization” argument out of it as there is a fundamental difference between us (speaking for myself) in the efficacy of decentralization. What about the variable gas rates? That will keep enterprise adoption at bay. HBAR is positioned be the enterprises layer 1 choice at scale, for the speed, reliability, security, and most importantly pricing. Now you can make the argument that the whole value of web3 is to remove the enterprises from the equation. I just don’t think that will ever happen, not without a revolution that would make any argument about technology moot.

Hooftly

None of that shows that HBAR isn't centralized to 39 Validators Also: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2311.06865 Is this misconception?

oak1337

Hedera's architecture offers several unique ways to mitigate these challenges, leveraging its high speed and ABFT finality. This is why synchronous or partially synchronous chains (basically everyone except Hedera) will have difficulty solving this problem, and why Asynchronous is a requirement. Hedera's sharding roadmap (Hybrid Sharding) leverages its unique L1 properties to tackle these problems more effectively than probabilistic or slower BFT chains. Hedera introduced Atomic Batch Transactions (HIP-551). Developers can bundle multiple operations (e.g., transferring HBAR, minting a token, and calling a smart contract) into a single batch that is submitted to the single, global Hedera L1. The ABFT consensus ensures this batch transaction is executed with ACID properties (Atomicity, Consistency, Isolation, Durability). It either succeeds completely or fails completely. This solves the composability problem within the L1. Because ABFT provides finality in under 3 seconds, any cross-shard protocol (even a 2PC or 3PC) has a much shorter locking window than on chains with probabilistic finality (which can take minutes or longer). The rapid finality minimizes the time the state is locked, greatly improving throughput. Hedera's sharding model proposes a Global Coordinator/Committee layer responsible for managing cross-shard transactions. Since the underlying consensus is ABFT, this coordinator layer can be trusted implicitly, minimizing the need for complex, bandwidth-heavy Merkle proofs or repeated consensus cycles across every involved shard. The ABFT ensures the Global Coordinator's view of the state is quickly and definitively known.

Hooftly

So the founder does not have a permanent seat on the council? The council has no chance of collusion? 41 entities is not a high bar regardless of reputation and collusion cannot be easily revealed when successful. You say better than anon developers... what project in particular are you drawing this comparison from? The majority of BTC and ETH Devs are public and all work for foundations or companies so I fail so see what point you are trying to make. Eth has a weekly All Core Devs Meeting Live Streamed... does HBAR live stream thier governance council meetings?

Hooftly

It can happen 100x easier my dude. 41 entities have to collude thats its. how many validators on Ethereum exist? This is not even a rational discussion. Lido also has no reason to be harmful to the network even if they did grow more (They wont because they have competition) It would kill the only buisness they have. You are not arguing with logic. None of what you just said makes HBAR any less of a DISTRIBUTED PERMISSIONED Network. BTC and ETH have wales and Rehypothecation in ETFs is bullshit but that is irrelevant as long as the network continues and Defi survives. What we need is REAL Builders building REAL Decentralization. ETH and BTC are doing thier best with the constraints they have and are not PRETENDING to be anything they are not.

Hooftly

This is not an opinion and is the exact definition of a decentralized network and one if the prongs if the trilemma dectralization and permissionlessness are 100% mutually exclusive and there is no other reality no matter how much hand waving you do to try and make it true when it is not. HBAR is a DISTRIBUTED (not decentralized) Legder with a CENTRALIZED governing council. This is not a debate this is a reality. Just because some suit somewhere claims Distributed == Decentralized does not make it true.

Hooftly

OP does not like reality and will do mental gymnastics to avoid the fact HBAR is centralized via a governing council. He thinks decentralized means 40 nodes CHOSEN by a council. There is no reality here.

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

>Do you think there is danger of the hashgraph reaching wide adoption but leaving behind the hedera network and the HBAR token? Good question. In the past, there was a danger of this - that’s why Hashgraph was originally closed source in the first few years of Hedera being a public network. It is now fully open source and stewarded by the Linux Foundation. The reason it’s not a threat today is because of the strong governance, IMO. You can’t fork governance; you can’t fork the Hedera Council, which is totally unique in the space and took many years to build. Hedera is already established. You may be wondering, what about private networks? Maybe someone wants to copy the code and use a private network on their own? Hedera will soon be releasing a major feature called HashSpheres (currently in beta). The gist of it is that they allow people to easily spin up their own private networks running on Hashgraph; these networks are all linked to the Hedera mainnet and can use it for communication with the outside world and other Spheres. So you get the best of both worlds. Most use cases will end up being hybrids, with some data private and some public. That’s what the Reserve Bank of Australia is building - they actually required some of their use case be on a private network, so that part is on a HashSpheres. And the Hedera mainnet is still right there so they don’t lose connection with the world like other private networks do.

International_Exit94

* Hundreds of projects and devs * Hedera in space (no joke) * Partnerships with national banks all over the world * Land tokenization in Georgia * Prestigious Council members * HBAR ETFs * Games * NFTs * DeFi * Partnerships with Nvidia, Oracle, Google * TikTok acquisition * Trust layer of the internet * All of this in less than 6 years guys * Thousands of use cases, with the world's biggest companies building on it in stealth mode for years.

mistermoodle

Great post. Very keen on HBAR. The hashgraph is impressive and one can see why it would be used in chips to keep records on the providence of data (like maybe training tokens) but usage like that is great as proof of the tech, but doesn’t affect the price of HBAR. Do you think there is danger of the hashgraph reaching wide adoption but leaving behind the hedera network and the HBAR token?

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

>Unavoidable Supply Squeeze: The total supply is fixed at 50 billion HBAR (no burning or inflation needed for security). Mass enterprise adoption will create immense, constant demand against a shrinking liquid supply (due to HODLers, staking, corporate treasuries, and ETFs locking up coins), forcing inevitable price appreciation with adoption at scale. Great post. You mentioned ‘corporate treasuries’ here and that’s something which has been on the back of my mind as well. I think it’s going to catch a lot of people off guard - we will start seeing HBAR treasury companies sooner than people expect. That’s not really a radical idea. Even Solana has a couple, and we all know it’s an absolute shitcoin. For all of the reasons you listed here, what HBAR really embodies is the ultimate future-proof store of value and means of transfer. It checks all the boxes. It accomplishes what people think BTC and ETH is going to do, and makes a lot more sense, too, without all of the downsides those two dinosaur coins have. Once we get a full council, multiple large-scale enterprise use cases pumping, and anonymous nodes, why would you want to hold anything else? What else is going to protect you against the uncertainty of the future?