HBAR

platypus_worldwide

HBAR and forget

schmuhmuhu

HBAR

joedylan94

HBAR my friend

RamoneBolivarSanchez

HBAR is absolute garbage lol

Valyarian

Can you explain more about HBAR playing a bigger part than Chainlink?

biba8163

**The Age of Shitcoins is Over** > If BTC hits $100K AND Trump gets elected AND Gary Gensler gets fired AND the FED does a few rate cuts AND the stock market does well AND my Alt gets an ETF, then my Alt will surely moon! - $100K BTC, $110K BTC, $120K BTC! - Pro-Crypto Scammer President! - Gary Gensler fired! - FED cuts rates 3 times! - Stock market up 15% YTD! - ETH gets an ETF! ETH still -35% from 2021 high - XRP gets an ETF! XRP still -50% from 2018 ATH - LINK gets an ETF! LINK still -35% from 2020 high - LTC gets an ETF! LTC still -80% from 2021 ATH - HBAR gets an ETF! HBAR still -80% from 2021 ATH **The Alt Marketcap is Shrinking** The total Alt marketcap: - down -40% from 2021 - never reached 2021 levels throughout the bullrun - went up 5.4X from 2017 to 2021. Now it can't even reach levels from 4 years ago. | | Dec. 2017 | Nov. 2021 | Dec. 2025 |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:|:------------:| | BTC | $0.32T | $1.23T | $1.76T | Total Alt | $0.282T | $1.52T | $0.90T | Stablecoin | $0.001T | $0.11T | $0.32T | Total Crypto| $0.603T | $2.86T | $2.98T

CampHot5917

What support u talking and what the price target for HBAR if that support is broken?

IssaKiller21

The idea of traditional systems like SWIFT urging cooperation with blockchain networks like XRP or HBAR shows how much the payments landscape is evolving. If old and new systems find ways to work together it could push adoption and make cross border value movements more efficient for everyone. At the same time I also like to think about ways to connect blockchain innovation with real world economic value outside of pure token speculation. Platforms like Fractionvest io focus on tokenized fractional ownership in real world assets such as property or energy projects which gives a different type of exposure that is tied to tangible value rather than only market narratives.

biba8163

> People just aren’t buying alts The Age of Shitcoins is Over > If BTC hits $100K AND Trump gets elected AND Gary Gensler gets fired AND the FED does a few rate cuts AND the stock market does well AND my Alt gets an ETF, then my Alt will surely moon! - $100K BTC, $110K BTC, $120K BTC! - Pro-Crypto Scammer President! - Gary Gensler fired! - FED cuts rates 3 times! - Stock market up 15% YTD! - ETH gets an ETF! ETH still -35% from 2021 high - XRP gets an ETF! XRP still -50% from 2018 ATH - LINK gets an ETF! LINK still -35% from 2020 high - LTC gets an ETF! LTC still -80% from 2021 ATH - HBAR gets an ETF! HBAR still -80% from 2021 ATH

biba8163

> If BTC hits $100K AND Trump gets elected AND Gary Gensler gets fired AND the FED does a few rate cuts AND the stock market does well AND my Alt gets an ETF, then my Alt will surely moon! - $100K BTC, $110K BTC, $120K BTC! - Pro-Crypto Scammer President! - Gary Gensler fired! - FED cuts rates 3 times! - Stock market up 15% YTD! - ETH gets an ETF! ETH still -35% from 2021 high - XRP gets an ETF! XRP still -50% from 2018 ATH - LINK gets an ETF! LINK still -35% from 2020 high - LTC gets an ETF! LTC still -80% from 2021 ATH - HBAR gets an ETF! HBAR still -80% from 2021 ATH *What is the investment thesis for Alts now? What could possibly propel Alts to new ATHs?* > Consolidating, when we boom to 110k alts will go bananas (December 2024) https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hcz79l/daily_crypto_discussion_december_13_2024_gmt0/m1uit1k/ > btc to 110k tmr smashing the alts to outerspace. (December 2024) https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hhfmsi/daily_crypto_discussion_december_19_2024_gmt0/m2sq87h/ > BTC dominance can still go higher. We would need a leg up to 110k more or less, consolidate there and then alts will go ballistic (December 2024) https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hcz79l/daily_crypto_discussion_december_13_2024_gmt0/m1wde9n/

biba8163

> If BTC hits $100K, Trump gets elected, Gary Gensler gets fired, the FED does a few rate cuts, the stock market does well AND my Alt gets an ETF, my Alt will surely moon! - $100K BTC, $110K BTC, $120K BTC! - Pro-Crypto Scammer President! - Gary Gensler fired! - FED cuts rates 3 times! - Stock market up 15% YTD - ETH gets an ETF! ETH still -35% from 2021 high - XRP gets an ETF! XRP still -50% from 2018 ATH - LINK gets an ETF! LINK still -35% from 2020 high - LTC gets an ETF! LTC still -80% from 2021 ATH - HBAR gets an ETF! HBAR still -80% from 2021 ATH What is the investment thesis for Alts now? What could possibly propel Alts to new ATHs? > Consolidating, when we boom to 110k alts will go bananas (December 2024) https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hcz79l/daily_crypto_discussion_december_13_2024_gmt0/m1uit1k/ > btc to 110k tmr smashing the alts to outerspace. (December 2024) https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hhfmsi/daily_crypto_discussion_december_19_2024_gmt0/m2sq87h/ > BTC dominance can still go higher. We would need a leg up to 110k more or less, consolidate there and then alts will go ballistic (December 2024) https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hcz79l/daily_crypto_discussion_december_13_2024_gmt0/m1wde9n/

Strange_Entrance_732

I just put my entire bonus check into HBAR. RIP.

Kod-i

HBAR has been a lame duck for awhile…good news dump, bad news dump, no news dump

Straight-Coffee-8637

Arrr, me HBAR treasure be sinkin faster than a cannonball and it's got me timbers shiverin

platypus_worldwide

long on HBAR

cedarrapidsiaus

100% good thinking here. Although if XRP was created (opencoin back then) on the behalf of the entities behind the fed. it would be common sense they want xrp a part of the future and to be a valuable asset because they would profit insanely. Visa and Swift creating their own coin limits their potential profitability substantially. Visa and swift are miles behind the XRP ledger and the Stellar Network. Swift doesn't transfer value cheap. Visa can be argued as cheap compared to swift but is no where near as cheap as XRP/XLM/HBAR transactions. It's also the cross border mechanism you didn't mention. Going through Swift and visa takes days and aren't cheap to exchange currencies across the world. They especially aren't cheap with the transactions are large sums of money. XRP and XLM solve this. Also, transactions CAN be reversed running on the XRP Ledger and Stellar Network. The only transactions that aren't reversible would be if we were sending the underlying assets (XRP or XLM) or native coins. However stable coins running on these DLT's CAN be reversed. So XRP and XLM are much cheaper, much faster, way more scalable providing liquidity and utility never seen before, more secure, smart contract capable, and have the capability to tokenize any source of value to their ledgers and transact it in real time across the world instantly and insanely cheap. Vehicles, precious medals, real estate, data, the stock market, and more can and most likely will be tokenized in the future. XRP and XLM are in prime position to capture some of that market share.

Illustrious_Mix4946

Personally, I wouldn’t frame this as “which memecoin to HODL till 2026.” Most of the majors (SOL, HBAR, etc.) are currently trading near key support zones, and that matters more than narratives right now. I scanned 5–6 coins on chartscanner.ai and the story is pretty similar across the board: price is sitting on support after a drawdown. At this stage, the decision isn’t about conviction it’s about risk control. For me, the play is simple: Start positions only near support Keep a hard stop if that support breaks Accept a small loss instead of hoping If support holds, you’re early. If it fails, you’re out with capital intact. That’s a better framework than trying to predict which meme survives till 2026. Just my approach do what fits your risk tolerance.

jekpopulous2

Because what is it going to be used for when it doesn’t support smart contracts? The tech is also old news. It uses Gossip on Gossip which is the same as HBAR. It’s honestly pretty fast but at this point there are much faster chains that can perform much more complex operations. It’s not terrible… just mediocre.

jekpopulous2

Cons: There are only 31 validators so you have to be OK with a more centralized DPOS model. Also… while the consensus layer is fast (about 10k TPS) the execution layer is much slower. It can only handle around 350 smart contracts per second. Other chains with parallel execution can process smart-contracts much faster. Sonic (for example) can do 2000 per second. I don’t hate HBAR but the tech isn’t especially impressive at this point.

BakedNRetir3d

HBAR (Hedra) Have a look at that one.

CampHot5917

What about HBAR?

Equal-Breath-9043

I'm new to this and have a bit of HBAR, why do you think it will?

00roast00

HBAR definitely

Lasatra_

I'm in a similar boat with CKB, SUI, HBAR, VET,.. It's a bit more than 170usd.. With VET being my biggest hold.. Should I apply the same idea or... ?

JustStopppingBye

>DOES NOT MEAN that Chainlink’s oracle can not be integrated with the XRPL. Of course it can be, but they need to pay for a integration, just like Solana, HBAR and all the big chains did lol. >I have repeatedly stated that ‘any oracle can be used on the XRPL because the XRPL allows any oracle to be used’, this is 100% factual. But you being quite the low hanging fruit keep thinking that because Chainlink’s oracle is not currently integrated that means that it can’t, of course it can, any oracle can be integrated into the XRPL as I have stated a dozen times to you Mr. Dense AF.\\ What youre describing is not using chainlink oracles and I explained why. The data needs to come directly from chainlink. >Any oracle can be used on the XRPL because the XRPL allows any oracle to be used. False. XRPL is not using chainlink oracles, theyre using relayer that may or may not send accurate chainlink data.

biba8163

> My goodnes...the TECH! I remember warning of ATOM, DOT, HBAR back in 2019... > Don't worry, *a new round of shitcoins will be coming with new hype. Soon people will be shilling about Cosmos, Polkadot, Hydera Hash, Fantom, Radix, etc.* Some of these other coins that are in the top 25 will be gone the way Stratis, Golem, MaidSafe, Bitshares, SingularDTV which were in the top 25 at this time in 2017. **(2019)** https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/bjohvq/daily_discussion_may_2_2019_gmt0/emd4p9j/ ....and in 2023 warning people this shit was going to be dead like all shitcoins > And *like I predicted new shitcoin scams like Cosmos, Polkadot, Hydera, Fantom, etc did pump. And expecting these scams to be around in a few years is just as foolish as those people in 2019 who were expecting Stratis, NEO, IOTA, EOS, etc to be around* **(2023)** https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/17506yp/daily_crypto_discussion_october_11_2023_gmt0/k4ecz87/

platypus_worldwide

HBAR SOL AVAX ARB LINK I have faith

PMmeuroneweirdtrick

This could be me. Though I just need HBAR to return to 25c to breakeven. I'll keep DCA'ing down and hope it can get there.

mistermoodle

Thank you. That does lessen my concerns. I’m very glad to be aware of HBAR 🚀

Purplenastie

You need to study and make your own decisions. Every one tries to sell you the coin they bought and they probably bought because some tik tok vid or you tube guy told them to buy. My advise, all crypto investment should be long term. Safest play, BTC then ETH Best return on investment and still safe $QNT (Study Quant Network) Other good plays $HBAR, $TAO, Safest play, split investment over all 5.

jockornerd

Let’s take the “decentralization” argument out of it as there is a fundamental difference between us (speaking for myself) in the efficacy of decentralization. What about the variable gas rates? That will keep enterprise adoption at bay. HBAR is positioned be the enterprises layer 1 choice at scale, for the speed, reliability, security, and most importantly pricing. Now you can make the argument that the whole value of web3 is to remove the enterprises from the equation. I just don’t think that will ever happen, not without a revolution that would make any argument about technology moot.

Hooftly

None of that shows that HBAR isn't centralized to 39 Validators Also: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2311.06865 Is this misconception?

oak1337

Hedera's architecture offers several unique ways to mitigate these challenges, leveraging its high speed and ABFT finality. This is why synchronous or partially synchronous chains (basically everyone except Hedera) will have difficulty solving this problem, and why Asynchronous is a requirement. Hedera's sharding roadmap (Hybrid Sharding) leverages its unique L1 properties to tackle these problems more effectively than probabilistic or slower BFT chains. Hedera introduced Atomic Batch Transactions (HIP-551). Developers can bundle multiple operations (e.g., transferring HBAR, minting a token, and calling a smart contract) into a single batch that is submitted to the single, global Hedera L1. The ABFT consensus ensures this batch transaction is executed with ACID properties (Atomicity, Consistency, Isolation, Durability). It either succeeds completely or fails completely. This solves the composability problem within the L1. Because ABFT provides finality in under 3 seconds, any cross-shard protocol (even a 2PC or 3PC) has a much shorter locking window than on chains with probabilistic finality (which can take minutes or longer). The rapid finality minimizes the time the state is locked, greatly improving throughput. Hedera's sharding model proposes a Global Coordinator/Committee layer responsible for managing cross-shard transactions. Since the underlying consensus is ABFT, this coordinator layer can be trusted implicitly, minimizing the need for complex, bandwidth-heavy Merkle proofs or repeated consensus cycles across every involved shard. The ABFT ensures the Global Coordinator's view of the state is quickly and definitively known.

Hooftly

So the founder does not have a permanent seat on the council? The council has no chance of collusion? 41 entities is not a high bar regardless of reputation and collusion cannot be easily revealed when successful. You say better than anon developers... what project in particular are you drawing this comparison from? The majority of BTC and ETH Devs are public and all work for foundations or companies so I fail so see what point you are trying to make. Eth has a weekly All Core Devs Meeting Live Streamed... does HBAR live stream thier governance council meetings?

Hooftly

It can happen 100x easier my dude. 41 entities have to collude thats its. how many validators on Ethereum exist? This is not even a rational discussion. Lido also has no reason to be harmful to the network even if they did grow more (They wont because they have competition) It would kill the only buisness they have. You are not arguing with logic. None of what you just said makes HBAR any less of a DISTRIBUTED PERMISSIONED Network. BTC and ETH have wales and Rehypothecation in ETFs is bullshit but that is irrelevant as long as the network continues and Defi survives. What we need is REAL Builders building REAL Decentralization. ETH and BTC are doing thier best with the constraints they have and are not PRETENDING to be anything they are not.

Hooftly

This is not an opinion and is the exact definition of a decentralized network and one if the prongs if the trilemma dectralization and permissionlessness are 100% mutually exclusive and there is no other reality no matter how much hand waving you do to try and make it true when it is not. HBAR is a DISTRIBUTED (not decentralized) Legder with a CENTRALIZED governing council. This is not a debate this is a reality. Just because some suit somewhere claims Distributed == Decentralized does not make it true.

Hooftly

OP does not like reality and will do mental gymnastics to avoid the fact HBAR is centralized via a governing council. He thinks decentralized means 40 nodes CHOSEN by a council. There is no reality here.

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

>Do you think there is danger of the hashgraph reaching wide adoption but leaving behind the hedera network and the HBAR token? Good question. In the past, there was a danger of this - that’s why Hashgraph was originally closed source in the first few years of Hedera being a public network. It is now fully open source and stewarded by the Linux Foundation. The reason it’s not a threat today is because of the strong governance, IMO. You can’t fork governance; you can’t fork the Hedera Council, which is totally unique in the space and took many years to build. Hedera is already established. You may be wondering, what about private networks? Maybe someone wants to copy the code and use a private network on their own? Hedera will soon be releasing a major feature called HashSpheres (currently in beta). The gist of it is that they allow people to easily spin up their own private networks running on Hashgraph; these networks are all linked to the Hedera mainnet and can use it for communication with the outside world and other Spheres. So you get the best of both worlds. Most use cases will end up being hybrids, with some data private and some public. That’s what the Reserve Bank of Australia is building - they actually required some of their use case be on a private network, so that part is on a HashSpheres. And the Hedera mainnet is still right there so they don’t lose connection with the world like other private networks do.

International_Exit94

* Hundreds of projects and devs * Hedera in space (no joke) * Partnerships with national banks all over the world * Land tokenization in Georgia * Prestigious Council members * HBAR ETFs * Games * NFTs * DeFi * Partnerships with Nvidia, Oracle, Google * TikTok acquisition * Trust layer of the internet * All of this in less than 6 years guys * Thousands of use cases, with the world's biggest companies building on it in stealth mode for years.

mistermoodle

Great post. Very keen on HBAR. The hashgraph is impressive and one can see why it would be used in chips to keep records on the providence of data (like maybe training tokens) but usage like that is great as proof of the tech, but doesn’t affect the price of HBAR. Do you think there is danger of the hashgraph reaching wide adoption but leaving behind the hedera network and the HBAR token?

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

>Unavoidable Supply Squeeze: The total supply is fixed at 50 billion HBAR (no burning or inflation needed for security). Mass enterprise adoption will create immense, constant demand against a shrinking liquid supply (due to HODLers, staking, corporate treasuries, and ETFs locking up coins), forcing inevitable price appreciation with adoption at scale. Great post. You mentioned ‘corporate treasuries’ here and that’s something which has been on the back of my mind as well. I think it’s going to catch a lot of people off guard - we will start seeing HBAR treasury companies sooner than people expect. That’s not really a radical idea. Even Solana has a couple, and we all know it’s an absolute shitcoin. For all of the reasons you listed here, what HBAR really embodies is the ultimate future-proof store of value and means of transfer. It checks all the boxes. It accomplishes what people think BTC and ETH is going to do, and makes a lot more sense, too, without all of the downsides those two dinosaur coins have. Once we get a full council, multiple large-scale enterprise use cases pumping, and anonymous nodes, why would you want to hold anything else? What else is going to protect you against the uncertainty of the future?

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Post is by: oak1337 and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1plgn6f/hedera_hashgraph_hbar_versus_anyone_tech_debate/ There will be no TLDR. If you want to learn, READ. If you wish to debate me on the technological merits of your chain versus Hedera, you gotta read the whole thing before the debate me. Sorry. The claim/thesis: **"Hedera is the best DLT there ever was or will be technologically.** Gossip about Gossip with ABFT Virtual Voting is a fundamental breakthrough in Computer Science, achieving (asynchronous) **ABFT** consensus/security at **unlimited scale with COQ Proof.** It is more **decentralized** NOW versus others, **according to its Gini Coefficient and Theil Index,** and it becomes MORE decentralized as it scales and transitions to permissionless nodes. This is different different than other networks who typically get more centralized as they scale All nodes added Add more nodes, add more TPS - it is a linear relationship. Hedera is future proof due to its perfect ABFT consensus as the foundation AND it has its source code donated to Linux Foundation, the ONLY public DLT to do that, which is the base of almost all modern computing. Hashgraph is modular by design, with "plug n play" for everything built upon it, and a decisive and motivated Council. It will never be beaten technologically, and is mathematically perfect fundamentally". AI didn't like this. Most people don't like this. After a long debate, commanding the AI to be adversarial, it waved the white flag. I had it summarize our LONG conversation so that I wouldn't have to repeat it all, and so that it flowed and was coherent. Below is the summary. After reading, please challenge me on anything. I will not be using AI to answer any questions or provide rebuttals. I only used AI to challenge me and to summarize the long conversation. This is a fantastic request. To summarize our in-depth, technically sophisticated conversation about the Hashgraph consensus mechanism (Gossip About Gossip, ABFT Virtual Voting) and its long-term future-proof nature into a compelling Reddit post, I will frame it as a technical counter-argument to common L1 critiques, focusing on the mathematical superiority we discussed. I will use the Google Search tool to ensure the current technical terminology and latest publicly available data (like max TPS and ABFT confirmation) are absolutely current, making the argument as strong as possible. Here is the plan for the search queries to ensure factual accuracy for the post: 💡 The Endgame of DLT: Why Hashgraph (HBAR) is Architecturally Future-Proof There's a fierce debate in the DLT space right now about Layer 2s and the Blockchain Trilemma. Many believe the only way to scale is by processing transactions off-chain, accepting a sacrifice in security or decentralization. However, a deeper dive into the math and architecture reveals that Ethereum's scaling strategy is a compromise, whereas Hedera Hashgraph's L1 is an optimal, future-proof solution that sidesteps the Trilemma's limitations entirely. Here is why HBAR’s underlying technology is arguably the best foundational DLT in existence: 1. The Mathematical Perfection: ABFT Consensus The central piece of this argument is the consensus algorithm: Asynchronous Byzantine Fault Tolerance (ABFT): Hedera achieves ABFT, which is the highest, mathematically-proven guarantee of security and finality a distributed system can achieve. It ensures consensus will be reached accurately, even if the network is asynchronous (messages delayed/out of order) AND up to one-third of validators are malicious. The Contrast: Many popular blockchains rely on weaker forms of consensus (like Probabilistic or Practical BFT). Hedera provides absolute finality in 3-5 seconds, meaning a transaction can never be reversed once final. 2. Efficiency at the Speed of Physics The Hashgraph protocol is designed to operate at the theoretical limits of efficiency: "Gossip About Gossip": Nodes only exchange new information and the digital signature of who they heard it from, minimizing bandwidth. Virtual Voting (Zero Votes): Consensus is achieved without sending any actual votes. Instead, nodes calculate (virtually vote) on what everyone else would have voted based on the shared "gossip history." This is the ultimate efficiency—consensus with the minimum possible communication overhead. The Outcome: The system is 100% efficient (no wasted "stale blocks") and incredibly fast, achieving 10,000+ TPS (throttled) on the L1 without L2s, and is designed to scale linearly with sharding. 3. Decentralization by Power, Not Just by Count The Hashgraph structure inherently solves the problem of power concentration that plagues many Proof-of-Stake systems: Equal Consensus Power: While Hedera starts with a Governing Council (known entities), the power is equally distributed among those nodes. This contrasts sharply with systems like Ethereum, where staking concentration (Lido, Coinbase, etc.) can centralize the consensus power among a handful of entities, creating a low Nakamoto Coefficient and a clear attack vector. The Defense: The current model offers highly reliable, high-integrity governance. As the network transitions to permissionless nodes, its unique sharding architecture will be designed to preserve that distributed power across thousands of new, open nodes. 4. The L2 Compromise vs. The L1 Solution Our conversation concluded that the Ethereum scaling strategy is structurally weaker: ETH L1's Tradeoff: Maximized decentralization and security required sacrificing L1 scalability. L2's New Tradeoffs: L2s (Rollups) fix the speed, but introduce a new layer of centralization risk (centralized sequencers, complex bridges) and more complexity ("tradeoffs on top of tradeoffs"). Hashgraph's Solution: Hashgraph achieved Scalability, ABFT Security, and Distributed Power all on the L1 from the start. Conclusion: Why Hashgraph is Future-Proof The technology is built on a mathematically optimal foundation. Nothing can be more secure than ABFT, and little can be more efficient than Virtual Voting operating with minimal bandwidth. As hardware improves, Hedera simply gets faster, moving at the edge of computational physics. Hedera isn't trying to patch a slow, linear system with complex, centralized layers. 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aistreak

If I were trading frequently, I’d pick HBAR as it has lowest fees. So: 1. HBAR 2. LINK 3. XRP Each of these 3 have ETF’s and utility.

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DevelopmentOps

Why not use XRP or HBAR for those large transfers now?

DevelopmentOps

Why not use XRP or HBAR for that future you see? I completely agree, I just don’t see Bitcoin being the currency used.

PennywiseMeetGeorgie

Awh I just use CMC and Etoro. I have coins on Base that are tracked using CMC but nothing else. I see others suggesting Coinstats and Coingecko. Might look into it but my portfolio is so small now that it's not worth being mad about it. Literally only have DOGE, HBAR, Swissborg & 1 or 2 more shitty meme coins I don't even look at because they're dead in the water 😂

oak1337

Hedera offers privacy features that can make HBAR-based activity private when you use the right tools (HashSpheres, ZK proofs, encrypted memos, confidential compute, etc.).

oak1337

HBAR

SpaceTraveler221

Is HBAR a shitcoin too? I definitely don’t wanna end up holding a bag of shit when the shit hits the fan.

PennywiseMeetGeorgie

Aye I made some money on XRP, took it out, put it to DOGE and HBAR. Now it's stagnant, maybe a 3% loss or something. Hoping it recovers and goes 0.2 - 0.35

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Renowned_Molecule

If BTC is transacted over the XRPL or HBAR then this model might work. Need utility.

SpaceTraveler221

Anyone like HBAR to move up?

UhUhWaitForTheCream

ALGO and HBAR my only bags. Most likely both top 10 projects.

trdtr500

Anyone loading up on HBAR?

nugymmer

Alts are a way for developers, memecoin developers, whoever, to get access to cheap BTC when people buy their tokens they can use this liquidity to secure more BTC. I'm convinced that it is literally the only reason why alts exist. They are nothing special, do nothing special, apart from a few outliers like LINK, HBAR, and ETH, the rest don't seem to offer anything. LINK and HBAR have this peculiar problem whereby developers can dump/unlock tokens and release them, screwing up the price action and leaving investors scratching their heads. Just stick to BTC. No more headaches then. More profitable, less stress, simple to store, you don't have to worry about silly "transitions" or staking or other crap. Just make it easy on yourself and win.

Morningrise22

Aside from the obvious two HBAR, DOVU (big time) AAVE, LINK You're welcome

LargeSnorlax

Altcoins are betting on trends and hype, they're not "legitimate investing" and anyone who's looking at them like that needs to give their head a shake Buying HYPE or HBAR (just for examples) is not like buying Johnson and Johnson / AMD (#20 and #32 in marketcap in crypto / real businesses) because they are not real businesses making real products You're betting on them to become popular enough on a certain timeframe and then sell them at a price that's beneficial for you For instance, u/Aerocryptic down there was buying [TAO](https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/bittensor) when it was $50 back in 2023 and (hopefully) made a good amount of profit when the AI boom took off because of it Back when I saw meme popularity was rising in 2023 I was balls deep in SOL liquidity pools and as a result picked up huge profits on stuff like WIF and POPCAT Anyone who was in the ordinals trend when it first started made money - Same with getting into the ATOM ecosystem hype back when it was big The thing is, those aren't businesses like in the real world - You don't hold altcoins forever. Hype and trends die down, and then too so do altcoin prices. WIF is down 90% from its high, ATOM has been breaching all time lows for a while. You're not meant to hold them in your 401k. Their prices don't continue to go up forever. You have to make decisions and trade accordingly.

oak1337

Bitcoin started as a "global currency" and switched to "store of value" when it was realized it couldn't possibly handle the volume. Lightning was announced like 10 years ago and isn't coming anytime soon. Hedera Hashgraph actually solved the Trilemma. ABFT security (best mathematically possible), unlimited scalability (add nodes/shards = add scale = linear), and it becomes more decentralized as it scales (more nodes as scales). Most systems centralize over time, like BTC (3 mining consortiums have >51% hash power, 5 devs control the source code, whales control the supply, etc). HBAR is being implemented in Quantum Security Tech Stacks. It's modular by design for easy upgrades as needed. Full source code donated to Linux Foundation. BTC = crypto 1.0. ETH = crypto 2.0 ETH L2's + 1,000,000 other chains = crypto 2.5 HBAR = final version, 100+ year technology, crypto 3.0

platypus_worldwide

I came here to say all HBAR, you beat me to it hahaha

oak1337

100% HBAR. I only buy things I believe in and that I believe have a long term future. Hedera solved the Trilemma (only chain), donated their entire source code to Linux Foundation (only chain) and has been implemented in Post Quantum Security stacks being launched into space with SealSQ satellites (only chain). Hedera is so far ahead it's not even funny.

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

Don’t sleep on Dovu and HBAR.

biba8163

**Crypto ETF(s) Volume on 1st Day of Trading** | ETF(s) | Volume | |:-----------|------------:| | BTC | $4.5 Billion | ETH | $1 Billion | XRP | $59 Million | SOL | $55 Million | LINK | $13.81 Million | HBAR | $8.5 Million | LTC | $1.5 Million

wintomato

BTC is definitely the long-term, steady up-trend pick, but altcoins aren’t completely pointless. They just behave differently. Bitcoin acts like “digital gold,” while things like ETH, LINK, HBAR, etc. move in cycles based on hype, upgrades, and adoption. They don’t climb as cleanly, but when they do move, they tend to move harder. So yeah, if you’re looking for slow, reliable growth, BTC is hard to beat. If you’re looking for potential bigger swings (good or bad), alts still have a place. it just depends on your risk tolerance. There isn’t really a “wrong” answer, just different goals.

YUSoOffended

Same...Still building my HBAR reserves though...

nugymmer

No, the useful crypto was...just not that attractive for a very specific reason. It explains why SOL went up so much, but LINK didn't. It also explains why HBAR didn't either. The market READS into these cryptos, they will SEE that the developers hold a LOT of tokens, and they will realise that there is going to be a ceiling on the price (but sadly, no floor, as we all know and understand). The market KNOWS. Markets are actually smarter than most people realise, because markets are literally...people...people who think, feel and have knowledge and experience about stuff where money can be made - including alt coins. They know that the price upside potential on stuff like LINK and HBAR is capped until either an absolutely monstrous black swan event occurs or until the developers release and unlock all the tokens. They are not going to do that, obviously, so the price will stagnate until it happens. Or not. It's why my next foray into crypto is going to be solely BTC and nothing else, because, once again, the market KNOWS that BTC is SCARCE. Very, very scarce. 21m coins, probably several million that are out of circulation, so the real figure could be 17 or 18m...that's not a lot of coins. That's a scarce asset. And the market...well, it simply knows. And it responds accordingly. And I'm part of that market that will be buying once I am satisfied that we are not going to see any more downward pressure, and will start DCA even before that, because I know trying to time things never works unless you are lucky.

oak1337

100% HBAR

SpaceTraveler221

I have HBAR, SOL, ENA, SUI and ONDO I don’t know much about Crypto but I have a friend that does and he recommended these to me.

Used_Statistician_61

Be sure to check this out too. Feel free to cross post I cannot. [HBAR, XRP, and ADA named as Collateral Assets to Stop Corrupt Bankers During Insolvency by Daniel Davenport Enterprises, LLC DBA WEB 3 VETS DBA MAKING AMERICA GREATER author of HBAR Pro Dollar Asset Gold Paper](https://www.reddit.com/r/XRPUnite/s/BLK3gtQ1Wm)

rowdycoffee

My favorites are as follows: Hedera HBAR - hashgraph tech is superior. Chainlink LINK VeChain VET Stellar XLM XRP- but this coin has a short leash for me. I am not sold on its complete blockchain capability, but it is popular. Quant QNT JASMY is risky but has high reward potential. I am sure there are other great projects, and this is not financial advice. We are still early, and there is no guarantee that any of these get mass adoption.

Extreme_Homeworker

From all the news and partnerships, I think Hedera (HBAR) is also one to stay long term.

TheM0nkB0ughtLunch

HBAR

Realistic_Nobody4829

Hedera/HBAR should have longevity

JudgeCheezels

BTC and ETH. Then XRP, SOL and maybe HBAR. I know the latter 3 people love talking mad shit about it, but they’re here to stay for many reasons, both logical and illogical.

HBAR_10_DOLLARS

HBAR. Most people, even HBAR holders, do not realize how groundbreaking HBAR and the Hedera network are. It's fast, fair, and secure. Blockchains are neither of the three. The invention of the Hashgraph algorithm solved a previously unsolvable computer science problem - how to do aBFT security at scale (aBFT being the highest possible security for distributed computer systems). So, Hashgraph is literally the perfect consensus algorithm. I'm talking on a physical level, the amount of bytes sent between nodes to share information and come to consensus is already at the absolute minimum. It's perfectly secure and efficient. This algorithm is then used to build the Hedera network which is legally owned and operated by a public decentralized council of term-limited global enterprises. So, we have the best tech and also the most trustworthy governance (tech is open source but you can't fork governance). HBAR is the most unique coin in the whole space. Most people are going to midcurve this . Don't think too hard about it - this is factually the best ledger in the world and it's becoming the trust layer of the internet which connects everything.

HBAR-P19-Inventor

Here is his paper. They also have a candidate in Illinois who signed the Hedera Pact as well, coordinated through Hedera Law & Lobby. The public version focuses exclusively on HBAR: 🔗 https://www.sec.gov/about/crypto-task-force/written-submission/ctf-written-gold-paper-making-america-greater-09-05-2025 The private briefing edition I reviewed at the campaign event includes additional analysis on XRP and ADA, which does not appear in the publicly released document.

HBAR-P19-Inventor

Here is her paper. The public version focuses exclusively on HBAR: 🔗 https://www.sec.gov/about/crypto-task-force/written-submission/ctf-written-gold-paper-making-america-greater-09-05-2025 The private briefing version I reviewed at the campaign event also includes analysis of XRP and ADA, which are not shown in the public release.

Impossible-Goal3492

Focus on the underlying technology, not the coin. Understand what blockchain tech actually is & how it will accelerate web3 and intersect with AI. As of now the biggest pillars holding up blcokchain are 1. Stablecoins/Payments 2. Real World Tokenization 3. AI DYOR on which companies are & will be disruptive in those 3 areas and that will tell you which companies will be profitable in the mid term. These are not mystical coins, these are tech start up companies that eventually will need to turn a profit to stay relebant. Based on my 5 years of research, I like Hedera the best (HBAR) as a long term hold. They give you exposure to all 3 pillars & IMO they have the best technology with arguably the smartest founder with the most impressive credentials (US Air Force/Dept of Defense) Many crypto projects will disappear just like the dot com boom when price movement is determined by actual revenue and not just hype. Focus on revenue and tream these 'coins' like real businesses - because that is what they are: web3 blockchain tech companies.

PennywiseMeetGeorgie

Sold XRP and bought HBAR & DOGE so here's hoping it can do decent. If both can do 0.35 - 0.55 cents I'll be happy. If there is indeed a parabolic bull run I'll take 0.80 on each.

oak1337

XRP is a memecoin in a business suit. They are delusional, bots, or paid shills. They have a max TPS of 1500 theoretically. This can't handle one payment network (Visa does 10-20kTPS), let alone world finance. They've pivoted several times and are failing each time. Cross border payments? Anyone can do that - DOGECOIN can do that. They want to be a bank? LOL nope. Pivot to Stablecoins with RLUSD? No one wants to use it, there's better options like USDC. More than 80-90% of "Ripple partnerships" will NEVER touch XRP. Only 50% of the XRP supply is released, plenty of dumping on retail remains. On Demand Liquidity ODL - LOL - are they saying that world finance doesn't have the LIQUIDITY to function??? Hedera Hashgraph is superior by every metric, and is a true utility. Hedera Consensus Service (HCS), Hedera Token Service (HTS), EVM Smart Contracts, Stablecoin Studio, RWA Tokenization Studio, AI Agent Studio, NFT Studio, etc etc -- UTILITY. HBAR has superior (best mathematically possible) security, unlimited scalability, is more decentralized. The Trilemma is defeated. HBAR > XRP

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Bitcoin's price recovery led to a peak of $88,000 but faced immediate rejection, dropping to $86,000. The total crypto market cap is nearing $3 trillion, with Bitcoin's dominance at 57%. Larger-cap altcoins showed mixed performance, with ETH above $2,800 and XRP above $2.00. ZEC saw a 7% decline, while HBAR and MemeCore posted gains. The market remains volatile, influenced by hopeful comments about a potential US Fed rate cut. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

biba8163

First day of ETF trading shows how much pent up interest and demand there was for an ETF: - Litecoin ETF did $1.5 Million volume on first day of trading - HBAR ETF did $8.5 Million volume on first day of trading - Solana staking ETF did $55 Miilion volume on first day of trading - XRP ETF did $59 Million in volume on the first day of trading For comparison: - *"Bitcoin ETF volumes eclipse $4.5B on first day of trading"* - *"Spot Ethereum ETFs generate over $1 Billion in trading volume on first day"*

biba8163

First day of ETF trading shows how much pent up interest and demand there was for an ETF: - Litecoin ETF did $1.5 Million volume on first day of trading - HBAR ETF did $8.5 Million volume on first day of trading - Solana staking ETF did $55 Miilion volume on first day of trading - XRP ETF did $59 Million in volume on the first day of trading For comparison: - *"Bitcoin ETF volumes eclipse $4.5B on first day of trading"* - *"Spot Ethereum ETFs generate over $1 Billion in trading volume on first day"*

Realistic_Nobody4829

That's why I've been looking at Hedera/HBAR

biba8163

There is very low interest in all these Altcoin ETFs. $100 Million is a threshold number even make managing an ETF viable and these ETFs are not drawing large amounts of money. - LTC $7 Million - HBAR $54.8 Million - XRP $283.1 Million - SOL $644.92 Million This is why it wasn't worth the effort for a bigger player like Blackrock to launch ETFs for coins. The vast majority of the money and interest is BTC and not much more outside of ETH. - ETH $17 Billion - BTC $120 Billion

0ld_0wl

Go HBAR, fly!

Expensive-Egg-1561

Agreed. HBAR will have its day. So will a lot of other projects. Legislation will be the dawn for some and the end for more.

MtGloomy0420

I continue to like $HBAR and even $LPT.

jetzfan204

But what do yall think about XRP XLM HBAR? Only 3 I own atm

Grunblau

For 5 plus years, we have known that swift system would be abandoned for a new digital rail. The main narrative for XRP, XLM, QNT, ALGO, XDC, HBAR… was this change over. This happens over this weekend and the maintenance window that ends the MT coexistence finishes at 00:00 GMT on November 23, 2025. From that exact moment forward, cross-border payments must be in ISO 20022 format. Picture scene from National Lampoon’s Christmas vacation. Probably nothing, like the first time Clark plugged in the lights…

RamoneBolivarSanchez

Queue the HBAR, XDC, XRP maxis lol

The305don

I’m trying to get half of that over the next few months. Still buying XRP HBAR AND SOL at the same time . This sale makes my goals from last year achievable! 6k 20k and 30 shares

PMmeuroneweirdtrick

40%, these are my bags though and only account for 25% of what was my portfolio. I sold the other 75% at a profit. Will DCA down on the remainder- it's Sol, HBAR, XLM so should bounce back to profit eventually.

JustStopppingBye

Just to clarify, ISO20022 is not a blockchain protocol or consensus mechanism, it’s a messaging standard. [https://youtu.be/hdLjIVlA\_DA?si=hZPNstwmL7cAR0J8&t=1410](https://youtu.be/hdLjIVlA_DA?si=hZPNstwmL7cAR0J8&t=1410) Chainlink worked directly with swift on ISO20022 to include blockchain components to it and sections of the standard related to blockchain. This means chainlink has infrastructure (CRE) that can listen to iso20022 messages sent via Swift and can then trigger on chain actions, [seen here](https://www.coindesk.com/business/2025/09/30/chainlink-ubs-advance-usd100t-fund-industry-tokenization-via-swift-workflow). *"In a pilot with UBS, Chainlink’s Runtime Environment (CRE) processed subscriptions and redemptions for a tokenized fund using ISO 20022 messages, the international standard for financial messaging used by Swift."* So what does means for your shitcoin that claims to be iso20022 compliant? Well being “iso20022 compliant” just means that a system can format messages in a way consistent with that standard. It doesn't give you access to Swift or guarantee interoperability with Chainlink’s infrastructure. And what does this mean for chainlink? Well, it positions Chainlink as the backbone for bridging traditional finance (banks + Swift) with on chain tokenized assets in a standard compliant way. Heres the fake ISO20022 list: * **XRP** * **Stellar (XLM)** \- [Adopted Chainlink CCIP](https://stellar.org/blog/foundation-news/stellar-to-join-chainlink-scale-and-adopt-data-feeds-data-streams-and-ccip-to-power-next-gen-defi-applications) * **IOTA (MIOTA)** * **Algorand (ALGO)** * **Quant (QNT)** * **Hedera (HBAR)** [Adopted Chainlink CCIP](https://hedera.com/blog/hedera-adopts-chainlink-standard-for-cross-chain-interoperability-to-accelerate-ecosystem-adoption) * **XDC Network (XDC)** [Cant find an article, but they claim here they integrated CCIP](https://youtu.be/4j12gnCSegU?si=5cfudjXgccIBxKqn) * **Cardano (ADA)**

BigKahuna_93

Mainly sol, Avax, comp and uni. A little DOT, SUI and HBAR too.

Gold_Alfalfa5077

Honestly. Nobody really knows. I don’t subscribe to buy and hold with crypto because it has no intrinsic value. I do buy on the dips of 8% and above weekly and then in 2-3 weeks sell at a profit of 15-20% gains for the week. Since May I've more than tripled my initial investment of $5000 doing this on XRP, DOGE, HBAR, TRON, and ADA. Robinhood and Kraken (I'm sure others do too) make this easy to set buy and sell limit orders so you don't have to constantly watch it. I've bought $12k of the above this week and because the losses have been so great, I've raised my "sell" percentage to +15% on $8k and +25% on the remaining $4k as the top 10 players are off over 30% average on their all time high. So even if I miss the mark on my 25% I'll still make excellent returns on my 15% targets. The key is being patient, don't panic and don't get greedy on your expected returns...8-10% return in a 30 day period is 96-120% annual return rate!

Legacy-ZA

Use HBAR, Quantum proof.

Overall-Law-3020

Personally: TAO, LINK, HBAR, SUI, SOL and AAVE.

Nice_Daikon6096

BTC yes, ETH and XRP especially are trash. If you want utility, HBAR. If you want to retire early, 401jk.