LONG

FarTicket7338

I will laugh at you in 2 months If there were no people like you we wouldn’t make money FULL LONG ALL THE WAY

Financial-Milk-7488

Id say truly understanding what you’re investing in will help you make that decision. Honestly it took me probably 3-4 years to truly understand what BTC is and why it’s valuable. Do that and the answer becomes very straightforward. You can google, use ai, read books (I recommend The Bitcoin Standard), etc. But short answer, no it’s not too late to invest in BTC. This is a LONG term investment.

No_Bedroom5307

“It’s not the fear of missing out” then you say it’s “because of the fear of missing out.” You sir, are twisted in contradictions that have you tangled, and it’s because you are gambling… not investing. The actual quote is the LOVE of money is the root of all evil. You sound like you have worked your life around the devotion and desire to money… not to a peaceful life where money serves the life, your life doesn’t serve money. Crypto is a gamblers paradise. It doesn’t mean crypto is bad, it means the temptation is similar to penny stocks or day trading or gambling at a casino - IF you operate like that. If you find a crypto you understand (truly understand) the fundamentals of and invest for the LONG haul, then you’re investing. If you invest bc some crypto bro assured you it makes sense and is the next big thing, you’re gambling. If you use money you can’t afford to lose, you’re gambling. FOMO is never ending and it’s never worth the gamble, unless you really CAN lose the money. If you can, you can wait out a dip too and not care if it ever recovers. I’d that’s not true, then you may be gambling. It’s a tricky thing, the line between LOVE of money and money being a tool in your belt.

Hidden_Holder

I have a LONG position to Take Profit in 74.000. Can you ask him to pump a little more, please?

BrianBBaldwin

I do not understand this, "99% of you will lose" ... true, at different times stocks, bonds, crypto tokens, gold, silver, my baseball card collectibles, the selling price of my home, goes down, maybe if I hold it longer it goes back up, bitcoin goes zigzag, whatever, but untili i sell it at a loss, sell ANY crypto at a lose, only then I have a "loss" but sometimes i do that on purpose to have capital losses which REDUCES the taxes I owe, this is call tax loss harvesting. But even if I sell at a loss, I got SOMETHING, some money put in my checking, for example let us say I bought $300 dollars of JOKERcoin and sold it for $150 and put that $150 in my checking acct, well you can say "Brian lost, he is of the 99% that lost" ... ok, but I did get $150 in my checking acct so I didn't lose all of it, and with that $150 i bought a real nice pair of tennis shoes for my vacation so ... if you account for inflation, and having nice shoes, hmmm, maybe you should not count me as loser. Anyway, JokerCoin went down, but my LaughCoin went UP, in fact my $700 of LaughCoin went up to a balance of $1,240 and yahoo. I suppose when you say "99% of you will lose" means lose EVERYTHING. Well I've been in crypto A LONG TIME and I NEVER lost "everything", in fact I've made out like a bandit LONG TERM, selling when I see 'em peaking, buying on lows, overall up way over 1000% ... the only problem is taxes. Now that's a problem. Have i lost here and there? Sure. So I guess i'm the 99%? I bought NVDA when it was below $30, now it's $218 per. $218 is DOWN from my highs of ... wait... that is pretty high. Maybe NVDA dipped, so I guess on last week I "lost". But even that last week price is WAY higher than $26. But... hmmmm.... no. Now it's a GOOD time to buy Quantum Computing. And Nuclear Power. And Drones... And Bitcoin. And XRP.

jayceellects

No, im not looking to make fast money. Im thinking long term, VERY LONG TERM lol

nassauboy9

Yep. If you been around LONG time you see the pattern. Only one I wish could predict "with certainty" LOL, is a bottom - LOL That said don't try to find it.

Bluejumprabbit

The \[INSERT TOKEN NAME\] \[POSITIVE STATEMENT\] is not a statement, it is a understanding of what is coming with \[INORDINATELY LONG WALL OF BULLSHIT\]

Voarr

I will take a LONG then. Perfect!!

Murder_1337

Death to AI LONG LIVR CRYPTO

HzRyan

Everyone will tell you yes, but I’m a realist. There is a non-zero chance that it never catches on like what everyone here thinks it would and remains a small niche part of the financial market. By buying Bitcoin, you need to come to terms that this money might never see the day again and are willing to bet on continuous interest growth from institutions and retail investors. But I do think the odds are in our favor. Once institutions treat Bitcoin as a legitimate treasury asset and retail keeps accumulating, the fixed 21 million supply creates a structural imbalance that makes sustained long-term demand very hard to reverse AS LONG AS the bitcoin story doesn't break

country-sidepatriot

Im a LONG TERM holder, so no. Also, i saw that in regards to eth. Which is why i said ada should be more like eth. They're clearly doing something 'right' whereas ada is doing everything wrong. All the ada holders say is in theory shit but eth holders have in practice proof. Sick of it.

Prnce_Chrmin

But Andrew Tate still has a bit of money left from going LONG x40 all day so this is still millions for us to grab with the constant price crashes since $128k

Particular-Key-4514

The herd begged for a bid; the market handed them a brick. BUY Stop never triggered; LONG @ 60,941 is invalidated with price at 59,577. Stand down; dead setups don’t get CPR.

Little-Rip1196

I'll explain because I was really bothered by it. Most people here believe in the real power of BTC in the LONG TERM. Day trading is gambling; we bet on the whitepaper and all the concepts that prove a possible long-term return.

HSuke

What happens when a company screws over their shareholders on both a SHORT term and LONG term basis by continually moving goal posts and creating new peoducts to dilute the value of previous assets?

marvinrabbit

*IN MY OPINION*, it's okay to combine a sound DCA strategy with additional, optional, non-DCA buying. I know that's not pure DCA. But if you feel that you see opportunity, and your regular DCA isn't going to be satisfying, I'd say go for an additional purchase through a low cost method. That's still a LONG way from a dangerous and aggressive day-trader strategy with 10x leverage, or options, etc. (Although that might be right for some, it's not for me. And if your primary investing is through DCA, probably not for you, either.)

Emotional-Eye1878

that's it guys, time to LONG!

Brasalies

Seeing as the point of crypto is to be decentralized and not relative to any governing entity, i dont really see how trump has any relative bearing on BTC usage. Not to mention people have been buying, selling, and using btc LONG before Trump stepped into the limelight.

Patient-Process-2565

Nobody knows, this could be the bottom or it might collapse to 10k. It’s a gamble that only you can decide. Remember that only LONG term holders win or those that trade the lows and highs. Best of luck. If you can’t stomach volatility I suggest you avoid BTC and go for a more stable ETF STICK

BorgSympathizer

I don’t think Bitcoin price has been decided by the mainstream market for LONG time so it’s pointless to correlate something like that to the price. Only major world events that move all markets (like a war) matter in this context.

Jsc_TG

I would say those are a mix of people who needed it, people who dont fully understand the LONG term investment here, and people who had a plan to do pull out at a certain price.

PovasTheOne

Lmao, havent heard the ‘ tomorrows payday’ cope in a LONG TIME

schrodingersbadger

I guess that’s why Google mentioned it in their research paper about quantum resistant blockchains and Lockheed Martin used its code in a patent for quantum resistant communications. If that doesn’t give it credibility, I don’t know what does. The path to migrate any existing blockchains to be quantum resistant is LONG. Give me an example of one of these so called “more credible” chains that will be quantum resistant “soon”.

schrodingersbadger

I guess that’s why Google mentioned it in their research paper about quantum resistant blockchains and Lockheed Martin used its code in a patent for quantum resistant communications. It that doesn’t give it credibility, I don’t know what does. The path to migrate any existing blockchains to be quantum resistant is LONG. Give me an example of one of these so called “more credible” chains that will be quantum resistant “soon”.

AcademicMistake

Im using futures leverage on bots and they make a good 10% a day average, spikes up or down will obviously increase that depending if your going LONG or SHORT, grid bots on SPOT should be no issue besides terrible returns. Still not bad for a passive income source though.

MediumLibrarian7100

Not at all. I actually agree that Bitcoin is a solid investment… but GREATEST LONG TERM investment? Far from it

Necessary-Nature-380

Go long.... no WAIT, go short cuz leverage traders got wrecked.... no WAIT, go long because the war is about to end..... no. STOP, there's huge liqiudations incoming (YOU GOT WRECKED)...... hold on a second.... it's pumping 2%, GO LONG again..... NOOOOO I HAVE NO MONEY LEFT 😂😂😂 \---- State of Crypto Market under the Trump regime (2026) ----

AU-n-Time

You have matured personally and financially. Investing is a LONG game in a good asset(s) that performs well over time. Gambling is the SHORT game. Proof of this is even the best financial minds can't beat the S&P about 90% of the time over 10-15 year periods. In my opinion, BTC is like the S&P 500 is to the stock market BTC is to the crypto space. However, the returns for BTC will outstrip anything else you could invested in without a total lucky gamble. You mentioned some of the reasons for this in your post, limited supply, no single entity control, ie,. government etc... The world's financial landscape is changing as well. BTC could be the next "money" but a global money not one controlled by any single entity or government. That is extremely powerful. Go BTC!!!

TooFewTulips

50 years is a LONG time from now. That’s >3x the current lifetime of Bitcoin. When I heard this live, I thought 10 or 15 years would be a better example for people wrap their heads around —$270,000 and $500,000 respectively. That ‘sounds’ way more conceivable than $36,000,000.

Lefties_TheWorst7331

Quantum is far from breaking SHA 256. The highest Quantum has decrypt is like 14 bit. That's a LONG way away from cracking 256 bit. By then, I'm sure the network will be updated. And, if QC breaks BTC.. that will be the last thing anyone is worrying about, as it will break more larger infrastructures first.

f08g

HOW TF DO I GO 100x LONG ON RAVE? TELL ME NOW

atlasayn

Good breakdown, but I'd push back on the overall BEARISH read — you're looking at one side of the book. What your analysis captures: * Longs crowded → yes, L/S at 1.25 slightly long-leaning * OI elevated → yes, z-score +2.28 (30-day high) — amplified volatility risk * Liquidation cluster density → yes, downside sweep probable What it misses from the same data: * Funding has already gone **negative** (-0.41%) — shorts are paying longs. That's not "stubborn longs who didn't exit," that's the market already pricing in bearish positioning * 4,805 BTC moved off exchanges today — self-custody accumulation, inconsistent with distribution * F&G at 23 (EXTREME FEAR) — historically contrarian positive on 12-week windows * Macro decoupled, liquidity easing (Fed BS +1.7%), $377B stablecoin dry powder The derivatives stack you're running is pointing to volatility risk (OI z-score, liquidation clusters) — that's real. But "volatility risk" ≠ "bearish bias." My deterministic system reads the same data and outputs: CAUTIOUS L3, 42% max size, **LONG\_PREFERRED**, binding Cycle (POST-PEAK). Not aggressive, but not bearish either. The difference: when signals conflict (crowded longs + negative funding + extreme fear + outflows), the right read isn't to pick a direction — it's to reduce size and wait for confirmation. A 42% max with long preference captures that better than a binary BEARISH call. System I use for this: [https://github.com/likidodefi/riskstate-docs](https://github.com/likidodefi/riskstate-docs)

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ExoticWeapon

The sad thing is it could’ve been an educational opportunity because this was adjacent to a question people asked LONG ago, why does 1 • 1 = 1, can it be proven? A curious mind just needs direction, but unfortunately someone just fed his ego for idk money probably?

Warrior_witha_Garden

A new implementation is coming out called production ready. Will be similar to 27 with the most recent updates if you don’t want to go the knots route. A third(major) implementation is LONG over do.

ReadingTheSign23

There’s definitely some truth to sentiment being a contrarian signal, but I think people overestimate how reliable it is on its own. Retail can be wrong a lot, but they can also stay wrong for a long time while price keeps trending. Fading every loud “SHORT” or “LONG” comment can get you wrecked if you don’t have some structure behind it. I’ve found it works better as a filter than a trigger. Like if everyone is screaming one direction and price starts stalling or showing weakness, then it gets interesting. But sentiment alone feels too early most of the time.

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forsen_capybara

This is definitive PROOF of a MASSIVE market PUMP. I am now LONG BTC (ticker: BTC)!!!

TumbleweedSalt2504

Who tf said about ath. Look at the past 12 months..  Again, AS AN INVESTOR, IDFC ABOUT ATH OF THE LONG PAST!!  The lack of understanding is just beyond..🤦. Repeat after me. ROI.  Those 3 letters should be all that matters. My avg entry is now 1.55. if it only goes back to $3. It's a huge ROI.  I don't work for Ripple. Who tf cares what happens to them outside my investment period. You seem married to Link (perhaps cuz getting paid to as I said) and badmouth other coins apparently. Because I would never spend this much time talking bad about Ether or Sol. I just don't have time. Now if someone pay me a good money, I guess I have to think about, lol Both coins came down from the recent high and will go back up IF Bitcoin goes back up. It's that simple.  I used "penny stock" in quotation marks because "PS"s are tiny stocks by MCs. 6b is tiny compared to some of big coins like Ether, XRP, Sol. Don't be too sensitive, lol. Small means more runway to skyrocket IF successful.  Lack of brain cella are raising my blood pressure tbh. It's unbelievable. The Reddit is full of trash. Note to self: Don't engage w trash once u know they are

IntegrateSpirit

Take a look at the Bitcoin power law site: www.bitcoinpower.law It's the most accurate LONG-term predictor of BTC price.

bitboy2233

Stop thinking this way… buy now and HODL stop waiting for smaller dips…. You need a LONG term outlook for BTC not scalping into positions

GalaxyDefender1x

Neo been asking for this fight a LONG LONG time...

CasaSatoshi

It's called a spread. If this is your level of knowledge, you should be a LONG long way away from these volatile, speculative instruments.

ubermensch1001

I personally see BTC as really the only thing to hold for the LONG term/permanently.

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Prnce_Chrmin

Anyone buying Bitcoin at $90k or even $120k .. I mean.... Not that smart eh? But yeah from previous experience it could take a LONG long time for them to ever get in the green....Actually 5 years or so.... But thats not to say we will have a long ass bear market now.. It could as well go up again and we finally get a real bull season

K42st

Hi there is no detail in your post it just a screenshot of short sell orders markets don’t work like this, short bearish, long bullish, all of those shorts maybe just hedging for long positions which looks like it’s bearish but infact it’s bullish. Example spot BTC position long $200 million Futures position $10 million short . Purpose Protects Profits . Reduce volitility . Lock in Price temporarily Meaning the trader is actually NET LONG The short is just INSURANCE not a BET There are other senarios also but this shows you BTCs market is not long, short, it is all black and white as it is not!

jup1t3rr

I wanted to leave the community alone i wanted to let you all get rich and mr.worldwide had to keep pushing..... I literally commented on an orca picture and instantly 2026-03-05T11:46:19.759027 ORCA/USDT:USDT LONG Limit exit placed: Stop loss triggered -1.03 % -3.643 2026-03-05T11:45:20.862926 ORCA/USDT:USDT LONG Limit exit placed: Trailing stop loss triggered 1.09 % 5.501 2026-03-05T11:42:21.287115 ORCA/USDT:USDT LONG Limit exit placed: Trailing stop loss triggered 1.74 % 8.506 2026-03-05T11:40:54.266795 ORCA/USDT:USDT LONG Limit exit placed: Trailing stop loss triggered 2.75 % 12.830 2026-03-05T11:36:11.915914 ORCA/USDT:USDT LONG Limit exit placed: Stop loss triggered -1.47 % -7.025 2026-03-05T11:29:28.721339 ORCA/USDT:USDT LONG Limit exit placed: Trailing stop loss triggered 1.44 % 6.704 So fuck it, i gave him 30 mins nearly 30 mins ago to have BTC in my account or ill fuck this bullrun over he making me homeless ontop of all this. So get your shorts ready.

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JavierAliagaOfficial

no no, get the BitKey! it's by the same person behind CashApp but even more safer. name is Jack Dorsey, he's LONG on Bitcoin, believes in it heavily. he also owns Square (Block) which is used by many merchants, restaurants, you name it (process credit cards etc) and he finally used his system for em to use Bitcoin as well. what makes BitKey safer is there's no seed phrase. no one can call you saying you've been hacked or trick you. Bitkey is safe. look it up, instead the system is of 3 keys. too long to explain but look it up and heavily CHOOSE that one

CryptoCircle_

# My Overall Take (Balanced) 👉 **XRP = Stronger TODAY in real financial adoption** 👉 **HBAR = Broader LONG-TERM tech potential** If forced to pick one for “global dominance”: * **Short–mid term:** XRP * **Long term infrastructure play:** HBAR

Competitive_Deal1003

Go LONG in BTC. Do not go in MSTR. They have prettied up their words, and says STRC are mechanics that going to offer more and more stock offerings. There is a reason why Strategy Inc is able to pay wages including a 8M salary and 800k salary with no sales. I wont be suprised that thry will share the same fate as PGI just yesterday, if they are following the same schematics but with the stock market. Own the assest not the ads to the papers ststing thry can create Matter out of thin air by calling itself an Amplier. If stock acted like sound waves ( i know a different amplifier) eveeyone is always in the green or grey.

ByronicZer0

Aaaaaand this is why everyone in the world with two brain cells rubbing together will tell you to never invest money you need in the short term... in a LONG TERM ASSET! This isn't rocket surgery folks

StationEmergency6053

Did you know that Jeff Bezos calls Amazon his "10-year overnight success"? It's because the company stock didn't move much despite Amazon's insane growth, and then, almost like flipping a switch, Amazon's growth strategy translated into retail interest. The point I'm trying to make is that truly intelligent companies intentionally keep their own prices suppressed. This allows structure to form without the pressure of retail. Ripple is doing the exact same thing. That's why they release XRP from escrow incrementally. It's a controlled growth strategy that creates stability and therefore LONG-LASTING structure. Rome wasn't built in a day.

__Ken_Adams__

Full & extensive disclosure is the solution here. When my parents came to me with the same thing, I sat them down & the conversation was a LONG one. I went into detail emphasizing the volatility & risks, followed by an emphasis that this is their decision & an acknowledgement that they're not buying because of me, but because they've researched bitcoin independently & have their own opinion on it. And then a candid "So don't blame me if it all goes to shit!"

jup1t3rr

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Emergency-Warthog-56

This is the LONG TERM game that many never understand.

OpticallyMosache

Where did you get the impression I'm not a long term bull? This is the #1 financial asset I hold with conviction.. I take it seriously and hold a significant amount. I have my private key stored in a hardware device and my wallet setup with a passphrase for additional security. These BTC are there for the LONG TERM and I trust the network. I expect BTC to outperform all major indices by a huge margin over the next 10-20 years. These moments are nerve racking but BTC hasn't changed. That's the beauty. It's agnostic to the price and functions just like it always has. Tick tock, next block.

Ill-Currency3604

Im -45 percent lol, even tho i sold my alts and its all bled a f ton since then. And I invested 15k usd. This is a LONG GAME, you should be getting your average down now.

Abject-Stretch-1187

Are you deliberately trying to sound slow? What do you mean no broad use? And plus who said money is only meant to be used to purchase items daily? You do know money also has a function of storing value LONG TERM. BTC won't be at a trillion marketcap if it had no broad use. Perhaps do more studying because you're sounding very very ignorant right about now.

SuitAndTiePorn

That was November 2022. We are currently in February. We have A LONG TIME before we reach November in this downturn

ScooterMcWTF

If you're in it for the LONG term, its not going to matter much, Set up a bi weekly recurring buy. Save X amount in stables. Buy 10% + dips. Done!

Sneaky_Turtle97

Yeah I can understand if it's just 10% of your portfolio just for the fun of it, but honestly I feel like a lot if not most of the Bitcoin investors are chasing the gains Bitcoin made at the beginning. And that train is LONG gone.

Smooth_Pianist485

I hope you have a LONG term mindset. We are gonna go lower than this in 2026 but as long as you hang on you’ll likely be alright

pigeonwiggle

except we won't be alive in 1000 years. you're right though - this mostly is only for assets that have strong arguments behind them. like, America is spiraling, but we know if you get rid of the panicky terror-baby in the white house, things will become reliable again and markets will return to focusing on LONG TERM SUCCESS instead of short term quick-rich shit.

YN_Decks

Depends on your investment horizon and how weighted your portfolio is/was to crypo. People sell to reduce risk in the SHORT TERM. People hold to diversify risk in the LONG TERM. Obviously don’t be stupid and put more than you can afford to lose into crypto.

NiceWorkLad

You need to have an emergency fund!! nothing worse than having to sell some during a dip to cover random bullshit that WILL come up. It doesn't need to be much if you're a student, just something to cushion and random expenses. I don't agree with the people on this sub putting all your eggs in one basket. You really should diversify your pot if you want to have any smidge of stability. You can absolutely go for a risky approach but make it be calculated. most of the people in this sub are looking at LONG term savings you lock away, like burying gold in the woods. Don't put yourself in a financially risky situation, you want to build from solid ground. It's boring 100%, but you all know it's the proper way to go about it.

Crazy_names

I'm not saying yes or no. That's on you. But what you shouldn't do is expect a 100% or 2000% return in 1 year. Bitcoin is *generally* profitable over LONG RUN. Plan on a 10 year term. If you can't afford to keep the money tied up that long then maybe it would be better somewhere else. I'm not saying it will take that long or it won't go up sooner. But if you look at all the stories of "oh man if only i'd bought back in 20xx" its always like 10 years ago or more.

Ereptile-Disruption

That’s why the compensation package they just voted reward total ethereum and not ethereum/share. Stakeholder voted to be used as exit liquidity while preaching “TRUST THE MANAGEMENT” Sure, if eth skyrocket (and Bmnr keep their pinky promise to not issue share while mnav is over 1) the stock could appreciate (by how much is a good question, but since they are diluiting to buy more eth, so the eth/share are not increasing, the movement will probably be the same or even less compared to ETH) but the risk reward is shit.  The only good outcome is in the REALLY LONG term, once they reach 5% and everything is staked, the staking reward (if not sold AND if they stop issue shares) will increase the ratio But, I think they’ll just keep the diluition go

Revenantjuggernaut

So my logic. I just started Aug. and I’m like fucking what’s his name in the movie rain man I feel like. I really enjoy day/swing trading or whatever? I started off with 200$ found out quickly the fees are a bitch so 4 days later I had over 600 called my brother asked him for a grand wich he gave it to me. So from Aug 14 to Oct 10th got arristed like 3am so I had no clue when I got out I didn’t have little over 7,000 anymore…. Less then 3,000. So my point that I’ve noticed is working for me is. Didn’t have a lot at all to start out with so I didn’t have Mitch BTC I just studied how to read and interpret 🕯️ and a few what are they called? MACD and shit. Like yall said BTC is king and country why eventually I’ll have 40-50% of my bag BTC. SO LONG STORY SHORT!!!! lol I had $1400 into BTC and my gut and things I was noticing and hearing they were screaming ETH and SOL so i reallocated started accumulating ETH 2,700-2,900 lol was like .85 into and it jumped to 3300 but!!! Yah boy just locked in his first whole ETH got like 7-8 SOL avg buy in like 140. Being the markets been sideways as shit. I just focused on positioning for when it all comes back up and shoot man for little meager amount I have I’m pretty happy excited for the next coming years. Sorry for babbling ran outta my happy meds for a little too long so I’m readjusting. Ok good talk thanks for lettin me share 😂

LMskouta

This. No need to scroll any further. It’s a LONG term game.

Shiznoz222

Just one more thing on the LONG list of why btc is the superior store of value

ippleing

Locking in profits soon, expect a little slowdown. LONG BTC

Strong-Nobody2257

Bitcoin does not rise in correlation to stocks. Stocks rise linearly, in accordance with the money printer, and how much our government inflates away our purchasing power. Bitcoin rises exponentially. Meaning, once we hit a certain scarcity, it will just go ballistic. The demand for bitcoin, which will continue to grow, will seek out an ever decreasing amount of bitcoin….as more institutions and LONG TERM hodl-ers hold bitcoin, the more the price has to move to make those people want to sell.  Which I for one, am not selling ANYTIME soon. I’m waiting for PARITY.

skr_replicator

Obbviously gold has a pretty nice short-term pump, while bitcoin is catching a break. But is it really performing better in the long term? WE don't have enough data for LONG long-term, but in the last 10 years, Bitcoin has appreciated a lot more value than gold, still, despite these recent events.

Squirll

That doesn't change the fallacy of trying to define things by their potential instead of the reality of their usage. Everything uses online fulfillment now for delivering goods over brick and mortar, but that doesn't change the fact billions of dollars burned in the dot com era that were invested in "potential" but only the people with Amazon stock came out on top. The world wasn't ready mentally or technologically for what everybody was trying to do back then. Here we are like thirty years later and its a very different story. But very little of anything that had "potential" actually got a chance to make that into "kinetic" I have confidence that Bitcoin is the Amazon of this metaphor, but were still a LONG ways away from society and governments actually allowing bitcoin to exist as a decentralized currency. As long as everyone's just buying and selling bitcoin to gain FIATS, its true potential will never be realized. Bitcoin hasn't reached its potential, but potential is not a guarantee. So I hold bitcoins value and definition in relation to the reality of its usage, not what I wish or hope it will be used for in the future. I'm absolutely open to changing its definition when that matches the reality of its existence in the market though.

BTCWallahFXEmpire

think he went 10x LONG $100K on BTC during the Monday morning poop.

Calm-Expert-5414

Doesn't matter what anyone had purchased at to this point in time assuming you did so as a LONG term ( 5 to 15 yrs ) investment time frame . The only ones who need worry themselves with the everyday noise and day yo day , week to week and month to month price fluctuations are the GAMBLERS . If swing / day , sports gamblers buy bitcoin ... that's on them . That's when timing means something.

X-Ploded

LONG ALL IN !

churito69

I would think that it will, at some point in the next 12 months, go back over previous highs to $124k+, which will give you a good return if you sell at that point, if that is what you are looking for. If you are looking for a LONG-term hold, in reality, any price around now is fine. $90k or $100k, as the reason to buy for that long-term hold is that you think it will go many times higher.

Veganarchyst

It is and will still be what we wanted, but there is going to be a LONG in-between time where it looks like financial institutions are in control The biggest problem? On and off ramps for using #BTC Since these are capitalist centralized corporations, there is no way for BTC to be it's own thing and separate from the corrupt systems Until we choose to use and are able to use BTC as currency completely disconnected from any Fiat money That is the big change that needs to happen for #Bitcoin to become what it was intended to be, and we can all leave the slavery promoting and corruption certainty of fiat

RosieDear

In theory we (the American People) should have went on a general strike and filled the streets LONG ago. In reality- we are the frog or lobster put in the pot of warm water which is heated up slowly.....until it is too late. If anyone listed out all the things this dude and his admin has done...and asked (years back) "Would Americans Allow This"?, we'd laugh and say "of course not". Reality differs from perception.

RamoneBolivarSanchez

And yet it’s going to still take a LONG time with halvings.

Always_Love_0004

yea damn rite. look. On this discussion, there's some contradictory things that don't really fit in. 1. Retail represent x% of the market? 2. So retail don't matter 3. Yet the conjecture exists: "We make ppl Hodl, we sell bla blabla" 4. Question: Lol juz how many retail ppl u need to entice to buy n eat up the load of sell orders, take profits, open piles, various exchanges for this other dude to go "YAY I GET TO SELL NOW" Oh ya thats assuming this same dude, bought it all LONG AGO with an average cost of xxx. Well the more plausible one is that the insti(s) have started doing private approaches to oldcoiners for a said price (acquisition cost kaching). Discounted from market value. Started ETFs to get mass retail adoption in (ka ching). Insti earns execution fees. Same insti can now do a rug pull, assuming of course the adoption manage to push prices to their targeted returns.

Plastic-Friendship24

LONG leverage x20

Smooth_Pianist485

Bitcoin is the LONG game. If you’re looking for life changing gains, you should be prepared to purchase 1 whole bitcoin and hold it for 10 years.

Weary_Strawberry2679

Nah. Just hold LONG-term assets for as much as it meets your financial goals, like BTC, ETH, Index Funds and good real estate in high-demand areas. Patience is everything in the market. If you're not in for a decade or two, you're too fast on the trigger. Good luck.

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SyrupyMolassesMMM

Its a same because I do think the concept of NFT’s is an interesting one. For authentication, or proof of ownership of real world assets, its a pretty cool concept. for memorabilia and ticketing I also think its pretty interesting. Its also good for circumventing financial regulations where they havent caught up yet. But ultimately, these all rely on massive corporate and government adoption and investment. I think a lot of this stuff will happen. But a LONG way in the future. By which time the concept will be completely different.

wo0two0t

I don't think btc is going to get you crazy returns anymore unless you hold for quite a while if your average is ~90k. This sub also doesn't take into account the ticking time bomb that is the US economy, so you might have to hold for a LONG time. Past cycles don't mean anything anymore because the masses already learned about btc, they've already been through rounds of hype, halvings matter less and less, and it's becoming less volatile. Btc isn't dead but I think people will soon learn DCA'ing and forgetting about price may not be the way to go anymore.

Astropin

Anytime there are quick moves (up or down) it's due to LONG or SHORT leveraged positions getting liquidated.

WickedHero69

where is the LONG, i dont see any long, Scammers

tzimek

I got a pet project I was playing with - I am monitoring the top 30 trading wallets from hyperliquid (with weekly rotations - to pick the best 30). I got an alerting signals there, with a lot of data I am storing and gathering. I am curious if this is something people would want to pay for? What should I add there? I am curious if this is useful for anyone outside of me ;) Below an update that happens every 1h: **📊 TOP 30 TRADERS POSITIONING REPORT** Date: November 29, 2025 08:02 UTC ═══════════════════════════════════════ **💰 COMBINED CAPITAL: $184M** 📈 Net Position: SHORT $587.2M (1% long / 99% short) **═══ SMART MONEY SCORECARD ═══** **─── BTC ───** 📊 1 long, 21 short → Net: SHORT $364.5M 📍 LONG Avg Entry: $91,030 📍 SHORT Avg Entry: $101,690 (range: $89,967-$112,565) 💰 Aggregate P&L: ✅ $+45.2M (+12.4%)    LONG: 0/1 winning (0%)    SHORT: 20/21 winning (95%) 🎯 Key Levels:    Support (long entry): $91,030    Resistance (short entry): $101,690 (... few more coins...) ═══════════════════════════════════════ **🔥 MOST POPULAR POSITIONS** (by total volume): 1. **BTC**: 1 long, 21 short → Net: SHORT $364.5M    Consensus: ❌ BEARISH (95% short) (.. + few more...) ═══════════════════════════════════════

buwefy

It might be, but it's going to be a LONG, DEEP, deep

DocInABox33

What are you talking about GDP is growing and Atlanta has it at almost 4% next quarter… This is not a story of weak economy but the LONG and LAGGING effects of inflation. People aren’t experiencing a slow economy but the FULL MAGNITUDE of 2022-23’s inflation. This is why every FED hates inflation bc you can’t undo it like you can with everything else. Budget deficit, reversible if you spend less! Not enough income, increase taxes/grow more! Rate of change spikes… oh damn if you do something it could get worse but if you don’t do something it could get worse what to do what to do… NEVER LET INFLATION GET OUT OF CONTROL IN THE FIRST PLACE!

krudeo

Well, the error is there, and I see that you have good possibilities. First, you didn't lose everything and that will always allow you to stay afloat. Second, you have savings and time My recommendations are several. First, if you would still try to make money, the only valid option that I see for a limited period of time is Trading (be careful, not buying in Spot). That is, the purchase and sale of financial instruments such as cryptocurrencies with the aim of obtaining a profit from variations in their price. And you can make money whether the price goes up or down: ▶️ ​If you think the price is going to rise, you open a position in LONG (long). You buy the asset and hope to sell it for more. You win when the price goes up. ▶️​If you think the price is going to fall, you open a SHORT position. You sell the asset (that you borrow) and hope to buy it back cheaper. You win when the price goes down. Taking that into account, it opens up a path in which you can take 1000 dollars, leverage it at 10x, and try to make a daily profit of 100 dollars (1% movement at 10x gives you 10% to get 100 USD) Sounds easy doesn't it? 100 USD a day, for a month they give you 3000 USD. Now comes the but. You must learn and to reach that level you will need months of study, a lot of rehearsal and tests (you don't need to rehearse with 100 USD, you can do it even with 1 USD) The journey is long and difficult but your money is totally recoverable. It only depends on you deciding to study and learn risk management, strategies and how to trade. I hope that's helpful to you, and if you need an educational source to get started, I can recommend a couple.

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uTurnSpecialist

Let us know when u dump your position so we can all go LONG