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crimeo

> LOL. Talk about paranoid delusions and zero self-awareness You've offered no other explanation for how you don't know basic english grammar rules. So that's the best theory so far. > The topic is "Russia central bank just named BTC, ETH, and USDT the only cryptos eligible for retail trading", to which your response was a copy-paste propaganda nonsense. Re-confirming that you don't seem to know how to read English correctly. I replied to commenters, not to the OP. The topic was in fact: "I wonder how their three day special operation is going after like five years. They are state level terrorists and we share news about them… I mean come on." and "you have been westwashed"

anycept

>But we can chalk that one up to your first language being Russian >paranoid delusion LOL. Talk about paranoid delusions and zero self-awareness 👌🤡 >still hasn't made one single point about the actual topic The topic is "Russia central bank just named BTC, ETH, and USDT the only cryptos eligible for retail trading", to which your response was a copy-past propaganda nonsense. Not only you don't know what you are talking about, but you also don't know when to quit, digging yourself deeper and deeper. LOL. Dumb bot.

Kazzle87

so we have USDC as the "westen USD crypto token" and USDT as the "eastern USD crypto token"? weird but ok. defi connects both worlds.

Joe_In_Paris

Just wait until the USDT, BTC or ETH funds get confiscated, frozen or siphoned! For anything else, there's always Monero.

chainglance_cm

Yeah the account lock/verification freeze thing is the real risk with most of these, way more than fees honestly. A few thoughts: * SEPA/ACH direct integrations (not through a crypto off-ramp) tend to be more reliable than card-based on/off ramps since cards trigger way more fraud flags * multi-country consulting income is exactly the profile that gets flagged for "unusual activity" reviews on a lot of these platforms, so having 2 separate gateways as backup is probably a good idea. * worth checking if your clients would be ok paying into a stablecoin invoice directly (USDC/USDT) and you handle the off-ramp yourself on your end, rather than routing everything through one payment processor's ramp. Gives you more control and isn't dependent on their uptime/verification process Also whatever you pick, test it with a small transaction from each client country before routing real invoice money through it. These platforms behave very differently by region even when they claim global coverage.

Frosty_Bumblebee_329

Just make sure your USDT is on the ERC-20 network before sending to Coinbase, then copy the correct deposit address and start the transfer during off-peak hours for lower fees.

roamingandy

I would have thought some of the more obscure coins, privacy tokens, or new launches of shit coins, would be the best way to do that. BTC, ETH and USDT bribes are likely to be spotted.

Odd-Improvement-316

The $3,600 retail cap is the part that stands out to me. In a lot of high-inflation places I've spent time in, people already hold USDT no matter what's officially allowed - once your own currency drops 30% in a year a dollar stablecoin stops being an investment and just becomes how you save. Rules like this tend to end up following that reality rather than leading it.

shadyghxst

USDT is a token on a main network and to transact on such networks(blockchain) you need to pay transaction fees(gas) using the main coin of that network. Eg; you need a little ETH for gas if your USdt is on ETH network.

Pretend-Picture8974

It's smart to be cautious with USDT. Checking the source of funds and wallet history is key, as Tether can freeze coins linked to illicit activity. For peace of mind, I sometimes run a quick check on FreezeRadar before accepting larger amounts, it helps to spot potential issues.

shibe5

Would it make sense for Russian retail trading services to not have USDT reserves? I mean services where one can "trade" assets but can't withdraw to cryptocurrency address. If backing is needed, it can be just USD in whatever form is available in Russia. Seems to be safer than holding USDT.

Mulbieber

Yeah the friction's the whole problem honestly, by the time u've bridged/swapped/waited for confirmations u've already lost the whole point of "just pay" that u wanted in the first place. And yeah spending USDT directly instead of converting first just makes sense, most cards still make you dip into fiat somewhere in the process which feels backwards if u're already holding something stable

PowerfulPossibility6

They are not wrong… aside of USDT va USDC vs (other stables) debate

ScopulyX

The main thing I’d check is the source of the funds and wallet history. Tether does have the ability to freeze USDT linked to sanctions or illicit activity.

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MadSL1m

The boring version does exist; it's just split across two filters. 81 of the cards I track require a USDT top-up, while 119 require Apple Pay. What you want is the overlap. It's not the card that needs to be removed, but the funding model. Some debit the stablecoin at the moment of payment, while others require you to pre-load first. That's the real difference between one tap and three apps. My own project, the USDT list: [https://sweepbase.net/usdt-crypto-cards](https://sweepbase.net/usdt-crypto-cards)

Longjumping-Fly-1348

Yup same for me. I don’t want buying food to feel like managing a wallet and I use for small USDT payments through Apple Pay

Cool-Custard-8104

Yeah thats what matters to me bc I don’t want to manage a wallet just to buy food. Im using the crypto card from for smaller USDT payments through Apple Pay and it’s worked well so far

Possible_Survey_2112

I agree with this bc crypto card shouldn’t make you feel like you’re managing a wallet every time you buy food. Thats why I’ve been using the crypto card from Oobit for smaller USDT payments and working very good, straight from apple pay

Just_Bed1618

“I don’t even have a single USDT to start trading, and there’s no one willing to help me. These days, no one really supports anyone. I’ve learned something from what you said, but if someone had supported me, I could have started trading too.”

Tight-Lock-8987

I would review, your strategy for Earnig Daily Passive and Active Daily Income needs.  Has anyone gave you a guaranteed, minimum Daily earnings number. they can't, it's the crypto exchange that determines win or lose. I determine my own Daily Income through my Partnership with Stellarnet Ai, Computing Power Sharing Platform,  you do get paid daily in USDT. which is a crpto stable coin that is equal to the usa dollar, so build immediately with $200.00 cash, and check out how, with me, through Stellarnet AI Computing Power Sharing Platform, no risk.

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MeringueBeautiful760

Go to https://switcher.finance Select USDT > BTC, directly via browser in-app, these are the best rates as it's an aggregator.

ContentBlackberry0

Why do people use these random wallets especially using USDT with TON is a huge red flag

Subject-Wrongdoer812

Posting this as a factual timeline with screenshots, not as an accusation draw your own conclusions. 1. BingX ran a promo giving me a Position Voucher: 200 USDT position value, max 5x leverage, position auto-closes after 24h, no fees, restricted to designated pairs (BTC, ETH, XRP, DOGE, SOL, BNB, GBPAUD, DOWJONES, CADJPY). 2. I used the voucher as intended within the app's own rules opened a position on one of the listed pairs, no manual workaround or exploit, just used the feature the way it was presented. 3. Shortly after, my account got restricted. In-app notice cited "account anomaly" / unusual activity, with trading, bonus claims, new-user rewards, and event participation all blocked. [screenshot 1] 4. Got an email asking to reply with a video of myself holding my ID reading a specific script, to "lift the restriction." This came as a plain email reply request rather than through the in-app verification flow, so I did not respond to it directly. [screenshot 2] 5. Follow-up email confirmed: "earnings obtained through violations have been deducted (including: 16.59 USDT)," and some account functions remained restricted. [screenshot 3] 6. First withdrawal attempt (65.34 USDT) came back "Failed to pass review." [screenshot 4] 7. No open disputes remain I've since submitted an account deletion request.

RelationshipReady531

I’d look for something simple enough to use daily, not just a card with nice marketing. I’ve been using the crypto card Oobit for USDT payments from my phone and it’s been easier than the usual sell, withdraw to bank, then spend process

TheUltimateSalesman

After they mistakenly generated a couple billion dollars by mistake, and are supposedly backed by chinese commercial paper, I don't use USDT for stablecoins of my project.

v1t0z

Today BitMart BEP20 hot wallet 0xa23EF2319bA4C933eBfDbA80c332664A6Cb13F1A was deposited: [https://bscscan.com/token/0x55d398326f99059ff775485246999027b3197955?a=0xa23ef2319ba4c933ebfdba80c332664a6cb13f1a#transactions](https://bscscan.com/token/0x55d398326f99059ff775485246999027b3197955?a=0xa23ef2319ba4c933ebfdba80c332664a6cb13f1a#transactions) And again, large amount of USDT were transferred from it to multiple intermediate wallets at once. Here are three wallets for Example: 0x4e48B40fB4B395c5005851d4FdD8476801406B27 0x071479406bb9D1b717730757B740D022e7653d9a 0x0E94B0683cfa5F1df1b12df8C2976b42177B1ed1 From these wallets the money went directly to Binance account 51: 0x8894E0a0c962CB723c1976a4421c95949bE2D4E3 So, they're withdrawing all the money to Binance, and CZ knows this for sure. They just need to stop the process. But apparently, they all benefit and everyone's in on it.

v1t0z

Today BitMart BEP20 hot wallet 0xa23EF2319bA4C933eBfDbA80c332664A6Cb13F1A was deposited: [https://bscscan.com/token/0x55d398326f99059ff775485246999027b3197955?a=0xa23ef2319ba4c933ebfdba80c332664a6cb13f1a#transactions](https://bscscan.com/token/0x55d398326f99059ff775485246999027b3197955?a=0xa23ef2319ba4c933ebfdba80c332664a6cb13f1a#transactions) And again, large amount of USDT were transferred from it to multiple intermediate wallets at once. Here are three wallets for Example: 0x4e48B40fB4B395c5005851d4FdD8476801406B27 0x071479406bb9D1b717730757B740D022e7653d9a 0x0E94B0683cfa5F1df1b12df8C2976b42177B1ed1 From these wallets the money went directly to Binance account 51: 0x8894E0a0c962CB723c1976a4421c95949bE2D4E3 So, they're withdrawing all the money to Binance, and CZ knows this for sure. They just need to stop the process. But apparently, they all benefit and everyone's in on it.

Civil_Cheesecake439

The perfect card needs trust, simple fees and no weird extra steps. That’s why I’ve been using Oobit for day to day USDT spending and I am not touching my BTC because it doesnt make sense when i have USDT

New_Total_9947

I hated KYC at first too but I kind of separated it by use case. I still wouldn’t keep my main BTC stack in a card app but when I started using Oobit for USDT spending, I treated KYC as the cost of getting access to normal card rails. Not perfect but it makes sense for everyday payments

WonderTap_Games

For August, what’s your strategy? 1️⃣ Stack & wait for September 🚀 2️⃣ Move to USDT & wait for the dip 💵 3️⃣ Short with leverage 📉 Personally leaning towards 3! expecting a final dip before the September pump 🐂

WonderTap_Games

For August, what’s your strategy? 1️⃣ Stack & wait for September 🚀 2️⃣ Move to USDT & wait for the dip 💵 3️⃣ Short with leverage 📉 Personally leaning towards 3! expecting a final dip before the September pump 🐂

skyddle

I've actually switched most of my spending to kardpay. No monthly fee, I just top up with USDT/USDC and use it on Applepay. It's been a much better fit for me since I mainly live on crypto anyway. As for the tap limit, that's usually set by the merchant or terminal rather than the card itself, but Applepay/Googlepay have no limits so it's pretty convenient.

Glad_Leadership_3671

Go to [https://switcher.finance](https://switcher.finance/) Select USDT > BTC, directly via browser in-app, these are the best rates as it's an aggregator.

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didnt_hodl

there are also countries which are either at war with US or under US sanctions or both. so it is not always their own government, which might be not only evil, but also simply absent in some cases. add to that runaway inflation in local currency, war, etc however: experience shows that folks in those countries rarely use bitcoin. it is considered expensive, slow and unstable. typically they use USDT on Tron, it is perceived to be less controllable by US. unlike USDC on Ethernet for example. of course, US has full control of USDT coins and has successfully frozen them in the past. still, folks use that and not bitcoin. that's just the reality

ResidentClerk1090

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ManufacturerHungry45

This is the pure techanical issue of polygon and metamask.They allow drainers to steal your funds.I also lost my 1180 USDT on polygon network while swap on matamask wallet swap features.THEY WILL BLAME YOU INSTEAD OF TAKING RESPINSIBILITY.Only polygon chain happen this wallet drain issue.

definitely_Hareb

If you want lowest fees and privacy, BTC is the worst option here. TRX network fees are basically nothing for USDT transfers, like a few cents. For the no-KYC part, just use any swap service that doesn't require an account to turn your euros into USDT TRC20.

pako-bitbox

Assuming you are using the real COCA Wallet, TON, as many other blockchains that are account based, require you to pay gas fees, these are paid in the in the blockchain's native token, so you will have buy some TON in order to spend the USDT.

pako-bitbox

Assuming you are using the real COCA Wallet, TON, as many other blockchains that are account based, require you to pay gas fees, these are paid in the in the blockchain's native token, so you will have buy some TON in order to spend the USDT.

DreamingTooLong

Nunchuck supports the liquid network It’s a second layer similar to lightning network Liquid is private and it also supports swapping back-and-forth between BTC and USDT How it’s private is it still reports that a transaction happened but it doesn’t say the coin type or the quantity. There’s a wallet called aqua wallet that supports spending liquid network bitcoin at lightning network bitcoin addresses. Doing a transaction like that is two different layers of privacy. When you send a lightning network payment, they can’t look on a block, explorer and see how much you have or where it came from. Same with liquid. This site lets you swap between all the different bitcoin layers. https://boltz.exchange

Pretend-Picture8974

This really highlights the risks involved with stablecoins. It's wild to see how quickly funds can be frozen. I try to be extra careful with any incoming USDT, and honestly, FreezeRadar has been pretty useful for spotting potentially risky wallets before I even touch the funds. It's not foolproof, but it gives me a bit more peace of mind.

raasbroker

I hate comments like this when there are plenty of ways to verify the claim. Go look at the wallets on etherscan, check the USDT Freeze list. you can verify this person by basic internet searches.

mrknol98

Trust Wallet deducts your USDT for energy even if you don't have trx or enough energy

Revolutionary-Cup78

Solana is also a network. USDT is a token without network. It is true it is problematic they are not explicit about what tokens you need for their network. You simply seem confused about what USDT is I'm not defending the wallet, I will likely never use their product. But it is important to understand that USDT isn't a network, the only way to transact it without a network token is through a custodian (for example buying im a CEX and then sending someone else in that same CEX)

Revolutionary-Cup78

tether is not a network, USDT is transacted through networks

Citadel_Employee

Seems like the only liquidity is in the USDT0 pair. Also the earliest deployed contract I could find was November 16 2025, so less than a year old.

IndependenceOld8292

This is why I’m careful with apps that make you preload funds. I use Oobit for USDT payments because I don’t want money sitting somewhere I can’t easily use or move

Possible_Survey_2112

I’d look at it more as splitting roles. I don’t want my long term crypto and my everyday spending setup to be the same thing but I keep the bigger holdings separate and use Oobit for small USDT payments from my phone when I actually need to spend

Unable-Pitch9464

I don’t think this kills self custody completely but it does show why one setup shouldn’t carry everything. I keep long term funds separate and use Oobit more as a spending layer for USDT from my phone, not as my main holding setup

Wild_Plane_214

That’s exactly the kind of thing that made me avoid apps where you have to deposit funds first. I use Oobit for USDT spending because I’d rather keep it simple and not get stuck with a balance I can’t move

Wild_Plane_214

Thats exactly the kind of thing that made me avoid apps where you have to deposit funds first. I use Oobit for USDT spending because I’d rather keep it simple and not get stuck with a balance I can’t move

New_Dig6900

UPD. Don’t deposit USDT to COCA. The wallet accepts your USDT without any warning, but then you can’t swap it, convert it, or even withdraw it unless you first deposit **0.2 TON**. I had to buy extra TON just to unlock my own funds. This should be clearly disclosed before people deposit their money. Support never replied.

Informal-Height7138

Good news: your 20 bucks aren’t stuck because of COCA — they’re stuck because of how the TON network works, and the fix costs less than a dollar. USDT on TON is a token, and moving any token requires a small amount of native TON in the same wallet to pay network fees. That’s the 0.2 TON the app is asking for: it’s gas, not a COCA charge. Every TON wallet has this requirement. Send \~0.2 TON to your COCA address (buy it on Bybit where you came from, or any exchange, and withdraw to the same address) and your USDT becomes withdrawable again. That said, your complaint is completely legitimate on one point: the app should tell you this BEFORE you deposit, not after your funds are already sitting there. Letting users deposit tokens into a wallet with zero gas and only revealing the requirement at withdrawal is a design failure, and the silent support makes it worse. You did everything right — small test amount first, exactly how it should be done. The test worked: it cost you 20 temporarily-stuck dollars to learn how this wallet treats its users, instead of 2,000.

cryptoadopter2077

you have to pay transaction fees on the TON network in order to withdraw your USDT

reddit-trk

So basically I need to ignore those micro-transactions, whatever they are, which seem irrelevant to the task at hand, but then that leaves the mystery of where the actual payment for each transaction is. Below is a redacted screenshot from arkm.com. It shows the transaction, which matches what I have in my data set. Same hash, same time, same USDT amount. The only difference is that the 13.39 TRX leaving this wallet (resources) are nowhere to be found in my data set. Is this normal? https://preview.redd.it/owk9n0xvx6hh1.png?width=1108&format=png&auto=webp&s=3a10aacf39b0d57f5d86ec7a1c8a4b9040ad9baa

no_choice99

There are differences. Their popularity differ. And most people here would say USDT is shadier. And there are similarities. Both assets can be frozen on demand by the US gov. agencies. They are also in risk of a major depeg. Which one will fall first is a coin toss.

Elegant-Maximum-8386

Exactly. I've been using Oobit and it's basically this. You spend USDT, the merchant gets fiat and they don't have to know or care that crypto was involved. That's probably the direction adoption happens

psi-storm

That is laughable. People were holding USDT because the exchanges traded other coins against it. Which EU exchange will swap those trades over to USDR, so they can motivate people to swap and keep the liquidity? The liquidity of European investors already mostly moved over to USDC.

Historical_Quail_463

​What you’re looking at is automated gas fueling. ​Wallet C is acting as a feepayer or deposit sweeper script. In crypto forensics, seeing Wallet C send dust TRX to multiple destination wallets within seconds of a USDT transfer is a huge red flag that those wallets are part of a single centralized wallet architecture or automated cashout pipeline.

GotAKnewPhone

Damn this sub is dead. Depends on the fees. Id look at both. Ive used both. True crypto dudes would say take the btc/eth to a dex and swap for USDT and then move USDT to whatever CEX you want. Both robinhood and coinbase are publicly traded so they aint trying to rip off leak data of their customers when they can help it.

Standard_Web7962

Why do they prefer USDT over USDC/USDS in Venezuela?

MushrooGuy

And why would anyone want to use a network with a gas token that is volatile when Circle is making ARC that uses USDC as gas or STABLE by tether/Bitfinex that uses USDT as a gas. XRP is the modern day FTX. They buy through hundreds of millions of tokens monthly just to fund Ripple's newest business venture... Which won't use XRP either. It's cult like at this point

Savings-Pause9864

Yeah I agree with the principle. I just think people can separate the two: long term holdings in whatever setup gives them peace of mind and a simpler tool for daily payments if they want to spend it. That’s why I use Oobit as my spending layer for USDT/USDC and not as my main holding setup

Tom_TronZap

The 0.000001 TRX transfer is not the network fee for the USDT transfer. On TRON, the USDT smart-contract transaction itself records the Energy and Bandwidth used. Open that USDT transaction in TRONSCAN and check Resources Consumed & Fee; the cost does not need to appear as a separate TRX transfer from another wallet. The tiny incoming transfer is more likely spam or address poisoning. Treat it as unrelated, do not copy an address from recent transaction history, and verify the recipient from the original source before sending.

sumtib

Thanks. Well I think I will move to Trezor, that's the only other one I have right now, I only use it to save USDT on it, but I don't know man, I may be "fine" but I don't trust these Colcard guys anymore. I remember what happened to Ledgers being hacked too and a lot of people move on to Coldcard, and now this shit happened again on them! So you never seem to be 100% safe, like set it up and forever forget about it.

Warm_Card_7087

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Working-Algae-7318

I completely agree with you. Exchange to bank works smoothly, that’s a clean route. I use Oobit for USDT/USDC spending from my phone and bank transfers when I actually need fiat which is the cleanest setup i found

Upset-dat0611

I was scammed out of 5000 USDT and I'm currently paying off that debt. If you or anyone else can help me, I would be very grateful. My wallet address (before 20): TTkVLTLK3KUXbfDuXe66Yke3yb3RUQbMa9

Upset-dat0611

I was scammed out of a huge sum of 5000 USDT. I currently need to repay a loan for that amount. If anyone sees this and sympathizes, please help me with 10 USDT. I would be very grateful. Once I receive the full amount, I will delete this post. Here is my wallet address (TRC-20): TTkVLTLK3KUXbfDuXe66Yke3yb3RUQbMa9

Wise-Lime5884

Don't miss out on your USDT airdrop. I just completed mine today. DM me for my referral link and the claiming steps.

Dmitry8Gorbatenko

https://preview.redd.it/fm71ussaecgh1.png?width=1152&format=png&auto=webp&s=8f01f89cc61cfc7f1bf4516e301227a93f69e9e1 Update: HTX's automated support system just sent another canned response demanding a two-device video recording of a login screen, completely ignoring the public Solscan link showing 32.25 USDT sitting in their system address. Still waiting for an actual human specialist to look at UID 389706153.

blue-chips

Is the $50 balance in an ERC-20 token? If so, you may not have the right tokens to pay gas fees to make a transfer. Looks like you're using the OKX Wallet. You can apparently pay gas fees on with ETH, USDT, USDC, or USDG (in addition to ETH). [https://web3.okx.com/help/gas-fees-faq](https://web3.okx.com/help/gas-fees-faq)

ChicksX

Not a stupid question, this is actually a common misunderstanding with Tron. The USDT transfer itself usually does not include a separate TRX payment from another wallet. The TRX you’re seeing afterward is likely a separate transaction (often related to dust/spam or delegated resources), not the actual fee. The easiest way to confirm is checking the transaction details in TronScan under “Resources Consumed & Fee”.

master-beast-72

The humanitarian payments use case is one of the most credible and underreported applications of cryptocurrency, and the friction points are more specific than the generic "crypto solves banking access" narrative. **Where it actually works**: In conflict zones and failed-state economies, the problem isn't just banking access — it's that the banking system is actively hostile or has collapsed. In places like Syria, Sudan, and parts of Ukraine during active conflict, traditional remittances route through correspondent banks that may be blocked by sanctions, require controlled currencies that nobody trusts, or simply have no physical branch infrastructure remaining. Stablecoin transfers (USDC, USDT) have worked because a smartphone + internet is sufficient to receive funds. The UN World Food Programme ran the Building Blocks program in Jordan with ~10,000 Syrian refugees, settling food vouchers on Ethereum. Operational savings were significant compared to traditional banking infrastructure. **Where the friction remains**: The "last mile" problem: receiving USDT does nothing if there's no local off-ramp to spend it. This requires either merchants that accept stablecoins directly (rare outside specific cities) or a local exchanger who will convert to cash — which reintroduces exactly the trust and geography problems crypto was supposed to solve. KYC requirements create a paradox: the people most in need of crypto humanitarian aid (stateless refugees, people without ID) are also the hardest to onboard due to wallet and exchange compliance requirements. The Humanitarian Payments Council being in its 3rd year is a meaningful signal that practitioners are moving from proof-of-concept to systematic adoption, which is progress worth tracking.

master-beast-72

The mark price problem on tokenized stock perps is a systemic issue that doesn't get enough attention when these products are launched. On crypto-native perp pairs (BTC/USDT, ETH/USDT), mark price is aggregated from multiple high-liquidity spot markets with tight spreads. Manipulation is expensive because you'd have to move price on Binance, Coinbase, and several others simultaneously. On tokenized stock perps — SK Hynix, Tesla, Apple, etc. — the underlying reference price often comes from one or two sources with thin liquidity outside of US market hours. If the feed from those sources has a bad tick, gets delayed, or the underlying stock moves sharply on news that's hard to arbitrage back quickly, the mark price diverges from fair value. Positions that were healthy at the "real" price get liquidated at the distorted price. The "exchange covers losses" response is the right call and is essentially what the insurance fund exists for. What matters is whether they cover the full delta between the liquidation price and the fair price at time of liquidation, not just a partial refund. This should prompt exchanges to review their mark price methodology for tokenized equity perps more carefully. Options: wider confidence bands before liquidation triggers on illiquid pairs, mandatory funding rate limits that force position deleveraging before reaching liquidation, or just being conservative about which stock tokens they list and in what leverage. Worth watching whether TradeXYZ publishes a post-mortem on how the mark price diverged — the mechanism matters for evaluating whether they've fixed the underlying issue or just plugged this specific hole.

master-beast-72

The mark price problem on tokenized stock perps is a systemic issue that doesn't get enough attention when these products are launched. On crypto-native perp pairs (BTC/USDT, ETH/USDT), mark price is aggregated from multiple high-liquidity spot markets with tight spreads. Manipulation is expensive because you'd have to move price on Binance, Coinbase, and several others simultaneously. On tokenized stock perps — SK Hynix, Tesla, Apple, etc. — the underlying reference price often comes from one or two sources with thin liquidity outside of US market hours. If the feed from those sources has a bad tick, gets delayed, or the underlying stock moves sharply on news that's hard to arbitrage back quickly, the mark price diverges from fair value. Positions that were healthy at the "real" price get liquidated at the distorted price. The "exchange covers losses" response is the right call and is essentially what the insurance fund exists for. What matters is whether they cover the full delta between the liquidation price and the fair price at time of liquidation, not just a partial refund. This should prompt exchanges to review their mark price methodology for tokenized equity perps more carefully. Options: wider confidence bands before liquidation triggers on illiquid pairs, mandatory funding rate limits that force position deleveraging before reaching liquidation, or just being conservative about which stock tokens they list and in what leverage. Worth watching whether TradeXYZ publishes a post-mortem on how the mark price diverged — the mechanism matters for evaluating whether they've fixed the underlying issue or just plugged this specific hole.

PLAY-on-youR-sErver

I saw this video which has some theories: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdm8HeFrP2I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdm8HeFrP2I), the argument is that you could mistakenly copy one of those transactions senders as your own address. Seems likely. When you do a USDT Transfer, you are calling a method on the "USDT Contract", which has it's own address. That method subtracts USDT from your balance and credits on the target address you are transferring to. In Tron, transactions use "Bandwidth" and "Energy"; both are to be payed in TRX (which is burnt), it is similar to Ethereum's gas, but has different mechanics. \-Each active Tron Wallet gets 600 Bandwidth free per day. (Active means someone has payed a 1 TRX fee to activate it, for example the first time it receives TRX). \-Energy you get only by staking TRX. Both Bandwidth and Energy can also be delegated from another wallet or contract. There are also markets for "renting" both resources, perhaps useful if you will be doing lots of transactions on a known time span. I think the amount of Bandwidth and Energy a contract consumes is related to the "complexity" of the method you are running. That should be similar to Ethereum. Essentially depending what the method itself does, has fixed rates. Also for Energy there is an extra mechanic: If a Contract gets used a lot by the network, it increases in cost. I believe it goes from 100% (barely used) to 300% (used a lot). In particular, USDT Contract is used a lot, so you are always paying 300% of Energy. In concrete terms, each USDT transfer you make, costs 346 Energy and 130285 Energy. For each 1 Energy, it costs 1/1000 TRX; for each 1 Bandwidth it costs 1/10000 TRX. So 346 Energy = 0.346 TRX and 130285 Energy = 13.0285 TRX. So at most 13.3745 TRX if you have no spare Bandwidth nor Energy. (Also if the USDT Transfer has a "Note" attached, it additionally burns 1 TRX.) You can see this by inspecting a transaction in TronScan, under "Resources Consumed & Fee"; you will also see below on the details that it says "Amount 0 TRX", because it didn't transfer any TRX.

reddit-trk

What is the point of these "spam" transactions? What's there to be gained and by whom? Also, when you send USDT to someone, is the TRX transaction to pay for resources (gas?) a completely separate one or does it stay hidden somewhere? Sorry if I'm asking stupid questions, but aside from reading about this, a lot of it is still a mystery to me. I understand the basic principles of encryption and using it to "sign" transactions so the universe recognizes them as legit, but that's the gist of my understanding. Thanks!

PLAY-on-youR-sErver

It likely is spam. That amount of TRX is basically nothing at all: It's worth nothing. After doing some USDT Transfer, I most likely get some additional transaction where I receive random amounts of TRX, but it always amounts to nothing in value. The sender is some random wallet. Try looking in [tronscan.org](http://tronscan.org); it also marks "malicious transactions". When you do a USDT Transfer, you'll see what you payed in TRX under "Resources Consumed & Fee"; but in the transaction list, the interaction with the USDT contract will have amount 0 TRX; though it did consume resources to do it.

master-beast-72

OFAC targeting TRON wallets has been accelerating. The TRON + USDT combination is heavily used for sanctions evasion, particularly in Eastern Europe and Southeast Asia, because USDT-TRC20 transfers are fast, cheap, and until recently faced less AML scrutiny than ERC-20 USDT on Ethereum. Tether has historically been slower than Circle to freeze flagged addresses. $38.6M sounds large but OFAC crypto enforcement actions are actually pretty targeted — they tend to focus on the specific wallet infrastructure being used to move funds rather than trying to freeze everything at once. The seven wallets likely represent either the primary collection/aggregation points or the offramp wallets they could actually identify and tie to named individuals. What's notable here is the tracing methodology. Treasury using on-chain analytics to trace flows across 38+ million in transactions means they're either working with blockchain analytics firms (Chainalysis, TRM Labs, Elliptic are the main government contractors) or have built internal capacity. The fact that they can designate specific wallets means the chain of custody from sanctioned activity to those addresses was clean enough to hold up to a legal standard. For regular users: if any of these wallets ever sent to or received from a wallet you use, your exchange may flag your account during a routine AML review. Doesn't mean you did anything wrong, but it's worth knowing how the tracing works.

master-beast-72

What you're seeing is TRON's energy delegation model. On TRON, smart contract calls (like USDT transfers) require "Energy" — not TRX directly. If a wallet doesn't have Energy (generated by freezing TRX), it either pays TRX directly for the fees, or another account can delegate Energy to it. The pattern you're describing — tiny TRX arriving at Wallet B within seconds of each USDT transfer, from a consistent third-party wallet — is a classic "energy rental" or fee delegation setup. Services like TronNRG or JustLend let you rent Energy so your users don't need to hold or freeze TRX themselves. Wallet D in your example is almost certainly a fee service relay wallet. For your forensic work, this is actually a significant clue. The fee delegation relationship tells you something about who controls or has a business relationship with Wallet B. You don't pay fees for random stranger wallets — the entity operating that fee service (Wallet D) has a connection to the transactions flowing through Wallet B. If that fee relay wallet is consistently appearing across many different "Wallet B" addresses, those wallets likely all belong to the same operator (exchange, payment processor, OTC desk, etc). Worth checking if Wallet D appears in any TRON labeled address databases or if it's ever been publicly identified. Tronscan and Arkham (as someone mentioned) both have some labeling.

h4l

It'll make more sense if you look at the transaction(s) in a block explorer. Tron uses much the same architecture as Ethereum, and their transactions specify an amount of the native token (TRX for Tron), but this will be 0 for most smart contract calls. For example, here's a random recent USDT transfer transaction on Tron: [https://tronscan.org/transaction/1421171c582ec9cfb7dff0651c8ddaf33ac271509d1a3ac4532ebd85ca56cb99/overview](https://tronscan.org/transaction/1421171c582ec9cfb7dff0651c8ddaf33ac271509d1a3ac4532ebd85ca56cb99/overview) You might find a more powerful analysis tool more useful, e.g this is the same random transaction: [https://arkm.com/explorer/tx/1421171c582ec9cfb7dff0651c8ddaf33ac271509d1a3ac4532ebd85ca56cb99](https://arkm.com/explorer/tx/1421171c582ec9cfb7dff0651c8ddaf33ac271509d1a3ac4532ebd85ca56cb99)

50sat

Second place in the thread lol. This is not a use case for monero. Sure some of the info is lost in the comments but he's not having banking problems. He's having a problem of customers who want to pay by credit card for merchandise that credit cards don't want to pay for and it's caused problems with interim payment layers. The issue is the *customer interface* and his customers don't want to be crypto users. If they don't want to buy USDT or C and pay in it, where TF will they get monero? Moving to one of the hardest cryptocurrencies to work with that also gets you blocked at every on/off ramp is not a business solution. Banks and governments hate monero more than they hate porn. I mean if you really don't understand, that's less teasing than the other post. All crypto are not equal and this person is having problems moving legitimate money through trad-fi payment channels. Starting to handle monero would be the exact opposite of what's needed here, and jebaiting his customers onto monero (thus fucking with customer AML) would be the end of it.

ghyus

I’m using Pozitrum Wallet – when you make transfers, the platform itself covers the TRON fee and converts it into USDT for you. So you only hold USDT and Pozitrum Wallet takes care of everything else. Super convenient.

DigitalWallets_

i wouldn't send $1,774 worth of USDT to a random person hoping they'll PayPal you afterward that's a high-risk trade with very little protection

Quirky-North3480

cuidado con WIF/USDT, abri un short y estuvo lateralizando con mi precio de entrada como resistencia, estuvo asi por mas de una semana

Trick-Apple-202

I think cashback is what gets most people to try a crypto payment app, but it's rarely why they stick around. If the experience is clunky, the rewards only go so far. I'd still use it if the cashback disappeared tomorrow just because i dont have to change how I manage my crypto to make a payment. That said, it also depends on where you live. If you're in a country dealing with high inflation or a volatile currency, being able to hold and spend USDT or USDC is honestly a way bigger W than a few extra percent in cashback

Trick-Apple-202

I think cashback is what gets most people to try a crypto payment app, but it's rarely why they stick around. If the experience is clunky, the rewards only go so far. I'd still use oobit if the cashback disappeared tomorrow just because i dont have to change how I manage my crypto to make a payment. That said, it also depends on where you live. If you're in a country dealing with high inflation or a volatile currency, being able to hold and spend USDT or USDC is honestly a way bigger W than a few extra percent in cashback

ArsalanAmir

The receiving address wasn’t mine. It belonged to someone I was sending 100 USDT to. It was a personal transfer, not Bitcoin.ث

master-beast-72

the existing comments are correct — this is a mainnet vs L2 network mismatch. a bit more context on why it happens: when Coinbase asked "how do you want to send" with 3 options, those were different networks: Ethereum mainnet, Base (Coinbase's L2), and possibly another chain. Base is built on top of Ethereum but it's a separate network — funds on mainnet and funds on Base are not interchangeable directly. your USDT and ETH currently sit on Ethereum mainnet. the recipient is expecting tokens on Base. how to fix: bridge your USDT from Ethereum mainnet to Base. Coinbase has a native bridge in the app (look in assets menu for a bridge option) or use bridge.base.org. after bridging, your USDT will be on Base and usable there. gas fees on Base are dramatically lower than mainnet ($0.01 vs sometimes $5+) which is why many people want to use it. going forward: always verify that sender and recipient are using the same network before sending.

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Post is by: Macro-Equity and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/technicalanalysis/comments/1v5i61h/usdtd_at_85_what_stablecoin_dominance_isnt/ TL;DR — Stablecoin dominance is a ratio. It rises either because fresh money is coming in (dry powder), or simply because the rest of the market is collapsing. The chart looks identical in both cases. Right now USDT.D sits at 8.5% while supply has been flat for months — that's the second case. And we've seen this signature before. Disclosure: None of this is financial advice. The problem with USDT.D You see it constantly: "USDT.D bouncing off support → alt season incoming." The implicit reasoning is that rising dominance = capital waiting on the sidelines = fuel for the next leg up. That can be true. It can also be completely wrong. The dominance chart alone can't tell you which. The mechanics : USDT.D = USDT market cap / total crypto market cap It's a fraction. It rises in two opposite situations: Case 1 — the numerator rises. New USDT gets minted. Fresh money enters and parks in stables. Real dry powder. Constructive. Case 2 — the denominator falls. Supply doesn't move an inch, but BTC/ETH/alts get destroyed. Dominance rises mechanically, without a single new dollar arriving. The chart goes up the same way in both cases. That's the whole problem. How to tell them apart: absolute supply Look at market cap in dollars, not percentage. On TradingView: CRYPTOCAP:USDT below USDT.D. |Dominance|Absolute supply|Reading| |:-|:-|:-| |↑|↑|Genuine inflows. Capital waiting. Constructive| |↑|flat or ↓|No new money. The market is just bleeding.| |↓|stable or ↑|Capital deploying into risk. Risk-on signal.| Only the first has predictive value. And it's visible only on the supply panel.  Top: USDT.D weekly. Bottom: USDT market cap (CRYPTOCAP:USDT). Boxes aligned on the same time windows. What the chart shows Today: USDT.D at 8.50% (+1.45% on the week). USDT supply at 183.99B, down roughly 30M week over week. Dominance is climbing while supply has been flat since early 2026, with slightly negative weeks. Do the implicit math. If dominance rises sharply while the numerator stays fixed, the denominator — total crypto market cap — must be contracting. That's what this chart is saying, and it's invisible if you only look at the top panel. 2022-2023: same signature. Dominance peaks around 9.1%, and on the bottom panel you can see USDT supply contracting meaningfully over the same window (from \~83B down toward \~65-70B). That wasn't dry powder accumulating. That was the bear market: the market collapsing while money genuinely exited the ecosystem. Today dominance sits at 8.5%, just below that peak, with the same absence of net inflows. Limitations of this comparison (important) I'd rather raise these myself than leave them for the comments: 1. The magnitudes aren't comparable. In 2022-2023 supply actually contracted, on the order of −20%. In 2026 it's a plateau with marginal weekly moves (−0.02%). What they share is the absence of net inflows, not the intensity. This is a growth stall, not a collapse. 2. Two occurrences aren't a statistic. I'm showing what this configuration looked like last time. I'm not claiming the outcome repeats. 3. The context changed. Spot ETFs didn't exist in 2022. Part of institutional capital no longer needs to route through stablecoins to get exposure — so this indicator captures TradFi flow less well than it used to. It mostly tells you what's happening inside crypto-native markets. 4. The levels aren't identical. \~9.1% in 2022 versus 8.5% today. USDT ≠ USDC: the layer above Aggregating all stablecoins throws away the most interesting information. USDT — offshore-dominant, Asia, retail, non-US exchanges, perp markets. It's leverage collateral. Its supply reflects global speculative appetite. USDC — regulated, US rails, DeFi, corporate treasuries, banking on/off-ramp. Its supply reflects institutional capital. The divergences are the real signal: USDC ↑, USDT flat → institutional money via US rails. Slower, generally more durable. USDT ↑, USDC flat → offshore leverage and speculation. Faster, more fragile. Both contracting → global deleveraging. Money leaving crypto. One level deeper: supply by chain. Stables flowing onto one chain while global supply stagnates isn't new money — it's capital rotation. Invisible on an aggregate dominance chart. (Not available on TradingView; use DefiLlama.) Other caveats worth knowing Not every mint is new money. There's cross-chain rebalancing and treasury pre-positioning. Look at smoothed net mints, never the isolated event. This is a slow indicator. Regime context, not entry timing. Don't build an intraday trade on it. Correlation ≠ causation. Rising supply doesn't force anyone to buy. It indicates capacity, not intent. What this actually changes None of this gives you an entry. What it gives you is a regime filter: knowing whether you're trading in an environment where capital is genuinely available, or one where dominance is rising simply because everything around it is burning. The two look alike on a chart. They don't have the same follow-through. What I'm watching for a regime change: supply resuming its uptrend, not dominance falling. If USDT.D drops while supply keeps contracting, that's a false signal of exactly the kind described above. Data: TradingView (USDT.D, CRYPTOCAP:USDT, CRYPTOCAP:TOTAL), DefiLlama for per-chain breakdown. Do you track stablecoin supply in your process? Curious whether anyone here watches the per-chain split, and on what horizon you find it actionable. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

master-beast-72

the framing of "licensing test" is accurate but the second-order effect is interesting: MiCA is one of the clearest regulatory frameworks globally, which is actually why large institutional players are moving toward EU compliance rather than away from it. the friction is concentrated on smaller firms. a CASP license requires capital requirements, governance documentation, custody standards, AML/KYC procedures — all manageable for Coinbase or Kraken but genuinely burdensome for a startup or regional exchange. what this produces is regulatory consolidation: a smaller number of licensed CASPs with a clear legal basis to operate, rather than a fragmented landscape of grey-area operators. the irony is this might benefit DeFi indirectly. MiCA's scope is explicitly limited to intermediaries (CASPs), not to the protocols themselves. Aave, Uniswap, Curve — the "sufficiently decentralized" carve-out means they operate outside MiCA's licensing requirement. so as centralized intermediaries face compliance costs, the permissionless alternative becomes relatively more attractive to users who know how to self-custody. the USDT delisting was the most disruptive near-term consequence. circle positioned USDC as the MiCA-native stablecoin (EMI license in France), which is why you see USDC liquidity deepening in EU-accessible venues while USDT thins out.

master-beast-72

worth separating a few things here because the blame is getting mixed: the derivatives restriction on EU retail isn't MiCA itself — that's MiFID II and ESMA leverage limits that predate MiCA by years. MiCA is mostly about licensing requirements for exchanges and stablecoin issuers, not product restrictions. where MiCA actually bit hard was USDT: Tether never got an e-money license, so Kraken, Bitvavo etc. had to delist it. that fragmented stablecoin liquidity because traders were used to USDT pairs everywhere. USDC fills the gap for MiCA purposes (Circle has an EMI license in France) but it took time for liquidity to migrate. the underreported silver lining: fully decentralized protocols are technically excluded from MiCA's scope — Uniswap, Curve, Aave still work fine for EU users, no geofencing required. the regulation is centralized-intermediary regulation, not a ban on DeFi. the genuine frustration — fragmented orderbooks, no perps — is real but it's mostly the pre-existing MiFID situation, not something MiCA created. which doesn't make it less annoying but it's worth understanding what's actually driving what.

NimbleNido

Best way to do this in a decentralized fashion would be to swap the USDT for UBTC on Hyperliquid. You can then withdraw the UBTC as native Bitcoin to your wallet without issue, or hold it Spot on Hyperliquid, though this becomes subject to protocol risk. Either bridge your USDT to Arbitrum as USDC then deposit, or Swap directly in an aggregator from USDT to UBTC with a slight fee. UBTC is Unit's Spot BTC offering on Hyperliquid that's driven >$64B in cumulative spot volume since launching in February 2025. Not shilling, but sharing a newer protocol that I've found no issue with since launch.

ScopulyX

If you're new to crypto, using a regulated exchange that supports EUR withdrawals is usually the easiest and safest option. Just make sure the USDT network matches before you send it.

Excellent-Advice-948

For USDT → native BTC without a centralized exchange, the cleanest answer is THORChain — it does native cross-chain swaps, so you get real BTC on the Bitcoin network, not a wrapped IOU. Access it through a front-end (THORSwap, ASGARDEX, Rango, etc.), connect a wallet, and swap USDT (on whichever chain you hold it) straight to native BTC at your own BTC address. Other genuinely non-custodial routes: - Bisq — decentralized P2P, no accounts, runs over Tor. Very non-custodial, but liquidity and UX are clunkier and it's slower. - RoboSats — P2P over Lightning, good for smaller amounts if you want zero middleman. One important distinction, since you specifically said native BTC: don't just buy wrapped BTC (WBTC and the various chain-specific wrapped versions) if what you actually want is coins on the Bitcoin blockchain. Wrapped BTC is a token on another chain backed by a custodian/bridge — it carries that counterparty and bridge risk and isn't the same as holding real BTC. THORChain settling to a native BTC address avoids that. Practical cautions: - Watch slippage/liquidity, especially on a large amount — check you're getting an execution price close to spot before confirming, and consider splitting a big swap into a few. - Triple-check the destination is your own BTC address, and do a small test swap first if it's meaningful money. - These routes are non-custodial by design, so there's no support desk if you fat-finger something — go slow. THORChain is the direct answer to your exact ask; Bisq/RoboSats if you want to lean even harder toward pure P2P.