XMR

Aerocryptic

Nobody uses Zcash for its privacy feature. XMR has been darknet’s choice for a while now. It’s just a speculative pump orchestrated by whales and KOLs It will dump back to where it come, just give it some time

NoSkidMarks

Kraken has a better UI and seems to be a better managed company. It also happens to be the only US based CEX that still trade Monero (XMR).

the_rodent_incident

Question you should be asking is this: If ZEC has over 50% coins in shielded addresses, will it be delisted? If the answer is no, then it's obvious they've won, and Monero will die. Not even DNMs will use XMR if it's so hard to buy.

Any-Slice20

zcash graph is a joke, stay away from this poo. if you are looking for privacy, only one exist, XMR

The_Casi_phenomenom

One thing is clear, XMR community is toxic af, terrible community at least on reddit. Hope you get rug pulled

xCreampye69x

Yep. They took my ethereum after trying to swap to XMR. Gave them all KYC info and source of funds. Now stuck in 'We're reviewing your case , your funds are safe!' Then nothing. What the fuck is this bullshit? Why are they just allowed to do this? They need to be removed ASAP

uthillygooth

How’s the liquidity there? Enough to be a currency? Such short-term memories when XMR was almost 52% attacked but all good I guess.. number go up

MaximumStudent1839

[https://x.com/blknoiz06/status/1979955374532038967](https://x.com/blknoiz06/status/1979955374532038967) There you go. The plant is telling you how to think. It is absolutely insane how the same KoLs shill ZEC but trash talk Litecoin/XMR. And then you have the double-faced lying REV bold mfer calling it the next "Game Stop". [https://x.com/0xMert\_/status/1979957504974238053](https://x.com/0xMert_/status/1979957504974238053)

Backrus

Y'all probably don't remember, but ZEC flipped BTC back in the day. Privacy is necessary when EU will be 1984-style society next year. Still, if ZEC worked, it would be delisted like Monero. Then again, don't let your bias prevent you from making money. Disclaimer: I've been riding both pumps, first XMR and now ZEC - remember to not marry your bags.

The_Casi_phenomenom

In zcash each person chooses if they want privacy for X transactions and transparency for Y transactions On XMR you don't have that freedom to choose Why people think this is good for XMR always makes my brain ich, doesn't make sense

Fit_Employment_2595

Salty XMR people make my nips so hard

erjo5055

XMR having issues, Zcash taking market share in privacy coin space

RamoneBolivarSanchez

Pumping to dump. Look at past cycle. Also look at XMR and DASH. Privacy coins have always tended to pump near the end of cycles. I actually don’t believe in the cycle theory anymore. I think it’s diminishing returns (and crashes). That said, I think some of those minor rotations do still exist and privacy coins have been a part of that each and every cycle. Also XMR is infinitely better than ZEC for a wide variety of reasons. If your goal is privacy - go with Monero.

uthillygooth

I should have bought XMR in 1975

sampatrahul90

What's the real privacy coin.. XMR?

onezetty

XMR, ZEC and PIVX are going to pump, privacy is more important than ever.

Pinewatch762

I’ll still choose XMR over zcash. I don’t support Israel

Ok-Introduction2492

the top mining pool has significant influence, but XMR development & governance are community-driven, unlike VC coins like ZEC. So even if mining is a bit centralized, the protocol itself isn’t controlled by a single entity.

foreveryoungperk

loook brodie as i said earlier when people start to value their privacy as they should XMR is going to be 1k at the very lowest but im looking at 10K+ easy as shit gets worse

Jabanger

XMR is also centralized, being controlled by 1 mining pool who can do whatever the fuck they want, would never trust my money in xmr

foreveryoungperk

the whole point of it being a currency is not cashing out.... cash is worthless. TRADERS can cash out and they can trade XMR without buying it SPOT. you can trade XMR futures with USDT and not actually be buying the xmr AND u can do it thru KYC exchanges. if you want to actually be a monero believer and use it as a currency i have the ultimate method for a cold wallet and how to transfer to a spending wallet without ever connecting the cold wallet to the internet.

Aerocryptic

lol nobody uses Zec as a privacy layer. All the darknet marketplaces run with XMR. There are a few good privacy networks that are currently emerging and they don’t have any spotlight although being more tech efficient. This run has nothing to do with fundamentals, it’s 100% an orchestrated pump by a few big pockets

foreveryoungperk

im sorry but if people want to trade monero after a cex de lists they will go to the platforms which already have high enough volume to perform trades. they arent going to just forget XMR exists because a KYC exchange stopped u from trading it. the whole point of XMR is non kyc so the delists will in the long run raise the value as privacy becomes more of a concern. people underestimate the privacy now and its that simple.

SirArthurPT

I actually found it important to know how it stands. Everything in the web is attacked several times each day, you don't prevent it from being attacked, you make sure it withstands the attack. And XMR did.

akaMePs

Yep, this is the correct answer. Naval has 2.9M followers on X. The narrative around privacy coins has been floating around, especially with XMR, and his tweet added fuel to the fire. In crypto, it's all about narrative/theme, no matter what. Once the narrative changes, it will dump back to the grave, because literally nobody gives a fuck about this coin. This is momentum—liquidity brings more liquidity—and it can last longer than people might think.

foreveryoungperk

your completely misunderstanding XMR Spot holdings vs XMR trading you can trade XMR on CEXS WITHOUT OWNING THE COIN. the trading will still be happening Spot holdings will rise when privacy is proven to be move valuable. Zcash is just the start of privacy sector (not the only one pumping rn) and why it is the first privacy token. XMR is endgame.

foreveryoungperk

when AI traceability fucks a lot of bitcoin/other crypto richies XMR will fly heard it here first ive been saying it for a while and i guarantee you it is THE sleeping giant

retro_grave

It's why there hasn't been a silk road 2 perp walk in over a decade and the BTC one lasted only 2 years. The traceability problem was solved with XMR.

Alert-Author-7554

not being listed on the world's by far largest CEX is the best thing that could have happened to XMR… it makes absolute sense ..thats why crypto is an IQ test

Conscious-Opposite88

This Binance delisting is better for XMR health⭐

Ok-Introduction2492

Zcash has strong tech aspects, but most users never even used the shielded transactions, and its heavily VC funded with a founders’ reward. The game plan is to replace XMR which has default privacy, community-driven, no premine, and it’s the standard across all darknet markets. If Zcash was that better, it would have been already used in all dark market.

king_escobar

This is probably your point but let me spell it out for everyone else: it was delisted because XMR works too well and it made governments nervous

foreveryoungperk

early in privacy sector just wait XMR is sleeping giant. it wouldnt be the first to pump if its the true privacy coin if u think about it

Elistheman

Just pay with XMR 😷

MountainGuido

ADA doesn't do anything unique that can't be done with SOL . I'd add to this list. XMR, LINK, UNI, and HBAR

trimalcus

A shame I lost all my XMR

AgnewTheModHamster

My feelings are mixed. The DAT meta seems to be fizzling, so larger coin projects, I really expect to go sideways for a while. As far as metas that seem to be working, privacy coins are doing well, and as the macro picture becomes more uncertain, I expect continued growth there. I had some ZEC, but lent most of it to an associate. Currently, I am in ARRR, DASH, & PIVX as far as privacy coins go. Still looking for a good entry to get back into ZEC, as well as FIRO. I like the privacy coin sector, I have only excluded XMR here because I have no way to buy or sell it where I am. The other projects I mentioned are all available for atomic swaps in my Komodo Wallet and I keep an eye on them in my altcoin basket every day for entries or profit taking.

Proper-Plantain9387

The only thing is multiple major exchanges including Binance and Kraken have delisted XMR - but ZEC remains on Binance due to the growth it has been receiving.

polymath_uk

Via XMR

biba8163

that's a good one. > I believe the real bubble will be when btc is are $100k +, LTC XMR and ETH at $5000, Vertcoin at $1000 etc. that’s when normies worldwide would FOMO hard and sell their houses to get into crypto **(December 2017)** https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7irww4/bitcoin_bubble_vs_dotcom_bubble_market_cap/dr10px9/

dataCollector42069

lets be real, no one is using btc. People do have uses for Eth though via stable coins and XMR via... fun stuff

LennySW

Swapped all my XMR into BTC last week. Still Holding a bag of link

Pinewatch762

Hello fellow based XMR enjoyer

Pinewatch762

Eth, link, XMR( to me it is)

Pinewatch762

Link, ocean, XMR

AgnewTheModHamster

What's with the ZCash pump (again), and the other privacy coins tailing on it? Dash, Firo, ARRR, even PIVX seem to be outperforming the rest of the alt sector. I don't keep an eye on XMR because I can't store it in my Komodo Wallet, is XMR losing market share in the privacy coin sector?

djscoox

Zcash seems to be gaining a lot of traction recently though. Right now I have more XMR than any other coin in my portfolio, and I'm curious why suddenly there seems to be so much interest in a coin like Zcash that had been dormant for years. We'll see, but I think Monero's organic growth is sustainable and will continue to eat market share from other coins, working its way up to the top 10 coins by market cap within the next 2-3 years.

i_knooooooow

XMR is doing good rn too

liliowo_

get XMR

Previous_Valuable873

What do you mean, I am up with XMR :D

jormor4

Longterm LTC/BTC chart is abysmal. LTC price has performed terribly. But it’s 2025 and as I look ahead, I feel confident that LTC/BTC will rise from current .0085 to at least .017 (+100%) at some point in the next few years so I’m buying at these levels. I have a personal principle to never ever spend my Bitcoin for 10+ years. It’s like my crypto “savings” account. Litecoin is what I use day-to-day for transfers and swaps. It’s like my crypto “checking” account. But I am stacking at these levels because I believe it’s very undervalued. Long term, I plan to have more BTC than LTC or XMR but I desire to have all 3 in my portfolio. Yes I’m aware I might be wrong and I believe this is not a popular opinion ✌️

Cool-Cow9712

XMR is steady , then again it really doesn’t move much with the ebb and flow of bitcoin.

jormor4

XMR/BTC hit another 3-month high 📈

DangerHighVoltage111

Nope, not true. Cashfusion brings privacy and with the smart contract upgrade there are XMR style tokens in the making.

biba8163

*Warning: Ben Cowen is just another YouTube scammer/hopium dealer still using using meme metrics like BTC dominance, Fear & Greed Index and Technical Analysis Hocus Pocus to fool gullible people into believing he knows something they don't know.* Clueless 1-Cycle YouTube scammer entered 2021 cycle late and told everyone squiggly line WackOff pattern showed BTC going much higher. I predicted ~$50K BTC for 2021 and was cashed out before he entered. > $50K was my conservative estimate of BTC price support although I thought it could go a bit over with FOMO. I didn't know where or how that much new money would come in to Bitcoin to support $50K+ over an extended period of time in this bull run. (January 2021) https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/krbcrg/daily_discussion_january_6_2021_gmt0/gi Clueless 1-Cycle YouTube scammer also said ETH/BTC about to bottom out in September...It took 8 more months for ETH/BTC to reach this year's bottom.... > ‘It’s Almost Over’ – Analyst Benjamin Cowen Predicts Ethereum Bottoming Out Against Bitcoin (September 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1fk2kbr/its_almost_over_analyst_benjamin_cowen_predicts/ while I continued to warn that ETH/BTC ratio was going much lower > If you think 0.04 BTC is low, the ETH/BTC ratio is going to feel like getting kicked in the nuts over and over again over the long term as the ratio falls below 0.01 and goes lower and lower. (September 2024) > Long term ALL Alts follow the same trend and fall below the initial BTC value they started at. Pretty much all the older Alts, even the most successful fall below this value. ETH is also trending long term to fall below this value. People talk about historic trends, patterns and cycles but this has been the only 1 undisputed and unbroken pattern for 14 years. > | | Initial | High | Current | > |:-----------|------------:|:------------:|------------:| > | LTC | 0.03 BTC| 0.048 BTC | 0.001 BTC > | XRP | 5,594 SATS| 22,500 SATS | 940 SATS > | XMR | 0.005 BTC| 0.035 BTC | 0.0029 BTC > | ETH | 0.01 BTC | 0.15 BTC | 0.041 BTC > https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1fgzm3z/daily_crypto_discussion_september_15_2024_gmt0/ln9jvct/ Stop giving these YouTube scammers views. That's the only way they make money.

biba8163

Clueless 1-Cycle YouTube scammer entered 2021 cycle late and told everyone squiggly line WackOff pattern showed BTC going much higher. I predicted ~$50K BTC for 2021 and was cashed out before he entered. > $50K was my conservative estimate of BTC price support although I thought it could go a bit over with FOMO. I didn't know where or how that much new money would come in to Bitcoin to support $50K+ over an extended period of time in this bull run. (January 2021) https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/krbcrg/daily_discussion_january_6_2021_gmt0/gi Clueless 1-Cycle YouTube scammer also said ETH/BTC about to bottom out in September...It took 8 more months for ETH/BTC to reach this year's bottom.... > ‘It’s Almost Over’ – Analyst Benjamin Cowen Predicts Ethereum Bottoming Out Against Bitcoin (September 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1fk2kbr/its_almost_over_analyst_benjamin_cowen_predicts/ while I continued to warn that ETH/BTC ratio was going much lower > If you think 0.04 BTC is low, the ETH/BTC ratio is going to feel like getting kicked in the nuts over and over again over the long term as the ratio falls below 0.01 and goes lower and lower. (September 2024) > Long term ALL Alts follow the same trend and fall below the initial BTC value they started at. Pretty much all the older Alts, even the most successful fall below this value. ETH is also trending long term to fall below this value. People talk about historic trends, patterns and cycles but this has been the only 1 undisputed and unbroken pattern for 14 years. > | | Initial | High | Current | > |:-----------|------------:|:------------:|------------:| > | LTC | 0.03 BTC| 0.048 BTC | 0.001 BTC > | XRP | 5,594 SATS| 22,500 SATS | 940 SATS > | XMR | 0.005 BTC| 0.035 BTC | 0.0029 BTC > | ETH | 0.01 BTC | 0.15 BTC | 0.041 BTC > https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1fgzm3z/daily_crypto_discussion_september_15_2024_gmt0/ln9jvct/ This scammer is still using meme metrics like BTC dominance, Fear & Greed Index and Technical Analysis Hocus Pocus to fool gullible people into believing he knows something they don't know.

LiveSchiop

Why not buy crypto p2p and then swap it for XMR ? * Which P2P exchanges have been the most reliable for you recently? * BitValve, Bisq, Remitano * Do any still offer fast and safe trades without too much verification hassle? * BitValve has no kyc up to 1000 USD * Bisq has no KYC but low volume and its harder to trade * Remitano full kyc * And are there any you’d completely avoid because of constant delays or unresponsive support? * Paxful cause its falling and now its closed * Binance p2p cause its very strict on min security deposits (i.e 2000 USD needed on some cases)

FlamingSnowman3

They delisted XMR for example and that's only one of the reasons why there should be better ones out, I believe so.

monerobull

Without even looking into it, this sounds like a classic crypto "partnership". BREAKING NEWS: MONERO XMR WORKING together WITH MCDONALDS (i like monero and i ate a burger at mcdonalds while posting to r/monero)

PhillyNJMusicMan

XMR Monero has been one of the best performing non-Bitcoin crypto these last couple months. However, most alts I just don't trust anymore. Bitcoin is really the only play to make with serious money now, in my opinion.

friendsandmodels

Realistically? XMR

HeftyImprovement3847

You are delusional, btc is mot decentralized. What btc eanted to be or what people think is, is XMR, Monero... Fully fungible, no firty coins, and private, like cash

jbbarksdale

XMR

UpDown_Crypto

"Actual people" one should fight for privacy rather than manipulation. XMR should be defended. manipulation will always be there been in this space since inception.

djscoox

BTC, ETH → The big ones XMR, ZEC → Focus on privacy, which is becoming more and more relevant

Ok-Nefariousness4661

Access is the main issue now since many exchanges delisted XMR. Still, it’s unmatched for real privacy and steady security. I hold some too. For non-custodial swaps, r/Rubic works well to move in or out safely.

jormor4

Zcash. is having a moment, that’s for sure. XMR is great, very useful, digital cash, but it’s not performing anywhere close to as well.

Big-Finding2976

It's insane that people are buying a so-called privacy coin with a backdoor. Just buy XMR if you care about privacy.

WendyDumpsterFire

What happened to XMR?

sandworm87

* Monero delisted from all CEXs – XMR price goes up * Monero attacked by Qubic – XMR price goes up * ZCash astroturfed by KOLs on X as the approved privacy coin and ZEX price inflated – XMR price goes up What will the glowies try next?

BrilliantMongoose470

Why ZEC of XMR?

MichaelAischmann

Privacy is important. ZEC, XMR & RAIL all with good performance recently.

MichaelAischmann

XMR with a little pump.

countchocula88

XMR

MichaelAischmann

Privacy is fundamental. I expect XMR to pull up too eventually.

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RamoneBolivarSanchez

You truly are an OG dude. I had to use Moneygram on 2014/2015 and people looked at me soooo strangely. Good times. Didn’t keep 95% of it, but thankfully kept enough for it to be meaningful now. Also kept my mines XMR from 2016 and bought my ETH bags at $40. Still wish I kept all my BTC man. That hurts the most for sure lol.

penarhw

Exactly. Exchange supply barely tells the story anymore. With DEXs and cross-chain privacy tools, whales can move through a dozen routes before anyone notices. Some even hop into XMR or ZEC, then use privacy DEXs like Houdiniswap to shift chains quietly. Onchain metrics aren’t what they used to be.

HairyChest69

I don't understand why XMR isn't safe in this scenario. People are afraid to use it why exactly? I'm still learning about it

YogurtCloset3335

Don't listen to the Maxi ETF guys. Buy XMR and BCH, you'll thank me later. If you don't trust it just put in $100.

SergeantSemantics66

Put 1/2 in XMR thank me later

MichaelAischmann

It tripled nicely in the last 10 days. I'm a bit surprised XMR is not pulling up with it.

MichaelAischmann

Bottom line: XMR for privacy. This currency is actually used, especially in the dark web. Getting your hands on some isn't easy because most centralized exchanges have delisted it.

MichaelAischmann

Crypto isn't inherently anonymous. Only certain assets or chains have privacy preserving features (XMR, ZCASH). It is also important how you acquire crypto to preserve privacy. kycnot.me is a comprehensive website with tools helping you to protect your privacy in anything you do online.

sQtWLgK

It's a shitcoin. LTC, XMR, DOGE, etc. are altcoins, whose founders didn't premine nor get any unfair advantage. In contrast, ETH got 72% premined out of thin air and sold to investors.

_KermitSewerSlide

Swap to XMR then exchange it for cash. It is not rocketscience.

DaOnly1WhoCould

If you’re planning a seven-figure BTC → XMR swap, you’re right to be cautious. OTC desks can be sketchy unless you’ve used them before or they’re KYC-regulated. For privacy-friendly swaps, you might also want to look at hybrid solutions instead of pure OTC—platforms that let you move between crypto and fiat seamlessly. Lately, I’ve been following projects like **Digitap-Presale ($Tap Presale)** — they’re building something interesting for secure fiat-crypto transfers. Could be useful for future large moves. What's your say on this?

natalooski

Try [Retoswap](https://retoswap.com); fast, secure, no kyc and has multiple 7 figures listings accross various currencies including BTC and XMR as you ask.

Alpacaman__

Try [Retoswap](http://frostcobra.top/); fast, secure, no kyc and has multiple 7 figures listings accross various currencies including BTC and XMR as you ask.

PissedOffPlankton

Try [Retoswap](http://frostcobra.top); fast, secure, no kyc and has multiple 7 figures listings accross various currencies including BTC and XMR as you ask.

WendyDumpsterFire

Let’s go XMR to 400 📈📈📈

TangoAlphaG

XMR

bynarie

Bitcoin for long.. XMR for privacy

mrjune2040

Been around since 2011- and I can only say that the idea of large amounts of people purchasing things back then was overblown. You're probably talking about the 2008-10 period but there were so few people using it then that it was laughable. And by 2011 you had at least two exchanges operating with decent volume: MtGox and BTC-e. And by then the SoV narrative was already taking hold, people just thought that it would be in conjunction with p2p payments. So I don't really see much that's analogous with Monero, especially considering that Monero has now been around for the best part of 11 years- so it traded with strong liquidity from the start, right up to the de-listings. Maybe it gets some of its lost volume back via DEX's/atomic swaps but that potential volume pales in comparison to CEX's imo. And holistically, we're a long way into price discovery with all these older protocols, I tend to think the market for XMR is what it is. XMR also has the friction of regulation pushing up against it- and that means you just won't have retail chasing it in the same way (because sure, on-chain activity is one thing- but on/off boarding is another). I'm still a believer in the privacy utility of Monero, but I wouldn't recommend it as an SoV (and that's ok). I feel the same way about the other privacy protocols that I use (ie Railgun)- the value lays in their usage.

Ok_Independence6172

Currency. Use it to separate yourself from the fiat system as a whole. Right now about 95% of my monthly transactions are in BTC or XMR. The rest cash.

Legitimate_Slice5743

The only consistently non-KYC route for fiat→BTC is true P2P. Bisq/Robosats/HodlHodl/Peach/Vexl are solid starting points; meetups or cash trades can work too if you know the basics (escrow, reputation, small test first). If you already hold crypto and just need coin-to-coin without accounts, “swap” services are the lighter-weight option. Same rules apply: start small, verify quotes on-chain, and never leave funds sitting. Also worth noting: many “CEX with no KYC” eventually flip the switch and freeze withdrawals until you verify—so assume your privacy ends the moment you KYC anywhere and keep those coins segregated. For privacy-leaning BTC↔XMR hops, there’s a newer option called **ZeroExch** **(easy to find on Google)**. Not dropping a link to respect sub rules—just search the name if you’re curious. TL;DR: P2P for fiat, swaps for crypto-to-crypto, and always test with small amounts + good OPSEC. Stay safe out there.

Like-a-Glove90

Australia is and has always been a lot more conservative and risk adverse than other places like the US. 2008 and years leading up to and since is a great example, and how well the Australia economy faired given the circumstances globally.. similarly COVID from recent memory, I worked at one of Australiaa largest banks during COVID and the lengths to avoid bad debt and defaults was interesting (repayment holidays, deferred interest etc), particularly given it was such an unknown at the time. Even regulations on trading platforms currently are present.. eg can't trade certain coins on abundance/kraken/coinbase like XMR. I wonder if it's a canary in the mine for the wider adoption ? Either way it does seem crypto is here to stay in some way for a registration. I do fear tho with regulation we have centralization by a body which is not the spirit of crypto I don't think

Logical_Ingenuity

XMR, always XMR, the surveillance state grows every day!

the_xtomic

XMR

veegaz

FARTCOIN and XMR the only ones up today