XMR

Kecsk1

There is XMR and the other ponzi schemes

Crypto-Bets

🤡 ZEC has no actual infrastructure, it doesn’t have thousands of payment rails like LTC/XMR/BTC DarkFi has already chosen LTC & XMR. They’re never abandoning the legacy payment rail in exchange for ZEC. ZEC is going to remain speculative, it’s never going to be used for DarkFi & it will never be used as a mixer.

CONSOLE_LOAD_LETTER

I agree with the first part of your post, but I'll do you one better... Instead of using centralized exchanges, learn how to mine XMR with your CPU or XCH with your hard drives or something else with equipment you already have and use that as a bridge into the world of actual decentralized crypto. Crypto will never really take off until people start earnestly trying to understand and use it instead of just treating it like a purely speculative vehicle. If you have a desktop computer for example you can mine on equipment you already have, and the electricity cost is basically like a small monthly DCA. Keep stakes low, and learn how to actually participate in decentralization instead of just paying some centralized corporation to keep your keys and act as bank 2.0. If they start with centralized exchanges, so many people just never even think about why they need their own wallets or what decentralization even is.

lessgo321

Monero is growing organically and zcash is being manipulated more. XMR wins long term

No-Masterpiece2246

But on the flipside, the global monetary order is being disrupted as we speak. Fiat electronic currencies are in a crisis, and trust in banking is at lows. Central banks print like wildfire and inflation is running away. That's why gold is almost $5k/oz still. Crypto may be overvalued, but every day it gains more users. This increases network effect, which increases the utility of crypto. Mainstream acceptance also creates more trust. Each time governments and the bankers convulse and try to limit crypto adoption, they create more pain for normal people who just want to make money and life comfortably spending what they've earned. Ramping up all of these identity features to banking is making it worse and worse to use. Who wants to do biometrics and have their face scanned every time they buy something? It's idiotic. But this is their vision which is being enacted in China, EU, and USA. Crypto represents and alternative. Bitcoin BTC is probably capped out at $100k since Wall Street is now speculating on it and more or less controlling the price. When they profit they lessen opportunity for other investors and hamper the coin from having more organic growth. That's why other coins like SOL, ETH, XMR and BCH are running.

No-Masterpiece2246

Why even use any Layer 2 tech? Just use any blockchain validated via proof of work. BCH, XMR, DOGE, LTC, etc all work fine and their fees don't go to the moon. Same thing with ERC20 tokens (similar to Layer 2s), they're 99% shitcoins. Just use native ETH or ETC.

fffatalfame9

Narrative. ZEC = BTC with privacy option and same max supply cap. XMR = crime coin with no supply cap. This is one explanation for the different price trajectories, at least.

automotive420

LTC suffered the same fate, if not worse, than XMR. only available on a few major exchanges

5khan1

Agreed everyone  stick to XMR. 

b1mm3rl1f3

Sure, but the market will reprice the importance of privacy coins. XMR has more comprehensive privacy by default mechanics vs zcash. They're both 5 digit coins

gamesbrainiac

XMR is private. Extremely so. You don't know the sender, the receiver or the amount. ZCash is not like that. Monero has been around for a while and is battle-tested. ZCash seems to be something that people are pumping quite a bit. Whenever you see institutional investors put a lot of money into something, be skeptical. Monero is very community driven and has been for more than a decade now.

tenor_tymir

I‘m a born EU citizen with proven residence in a wealthy EU country. XMR doesn’t even show up when I search for it in the app. Zcash is showing up though.

Flashy-Potatoe-Queen

Technically, there are only 3 solid currencies to hold long term, BTC, XMR and KAS.  For the rest you need to be very up-to-date in order to avoid being rugged by the cryptocompany that is in control. Do not click any links people will DM you, their are 100% of the time scammers. Even the friendly ones that haven't sent a link yet, some play the long game. 

monerobull

It's been half a decade and I'm sitting pretty in XMR

Cryptocaller

Saying “Don’t buy this, buy that” is shilling. It’s taking a position and promoting it, while simultaneously also taking an opposing position hating on something else, typically the “competition”. That’s you. XMR = 👍 ZEC = 👎

CertiBud

XMR Simple, innit ?

sadpanda03

At least it has many ASIC manufacturers. The Monero network is literally controlled and completely taken over by Bitmain and their X5/X9 ASICs, and the XMR devs and community don’t seem to care.

sadpanda03

At least it has many ASIC manufacturers. The Monero network is literally controlled and completely taken over by Bitmain and their X5/X9 ASICs, and the XMR devs and community don’t seem to care.

sadpanda03

At least it has many ASIC manufacturers. The Monero network is literally controlled and completely taken over by Bitmain and their X5/X9 ASICs, and the XMR devs and community don’t seem to care.

xcom1995

It's not what I'm holding. I'm very high risk. But if someone asked me for advice, I'd recommend the following: BTC, ETH, XMR, DOGE

Toody4

Useful to swap your bags to XMR if you actually care about privacy

Aerocryptic

Typical angry bag holder reaction. Have you ever used a dark market anon? Are they using XMR or Zec?

NovastaKai

I thought the same untill i set bars and learned most of the cryptos since 2016. I have since done a few rebounds with zcash and its a pretty solid hitter so you so you but It's aight. Like monero(XMR) similarly.

Flashy-Potatoe-Queen

Something has either a fixed supply or it is deflationary..  It can't be both...  Also, the only successful coin today has a fixed supply. It's called Bitcoin.  Everything else is a bunch of scamming VC cryptocompanies and in some rare cases ; an attempt at innovation (like XMR and KAS). If gold is a failure, fiat currencies are a cancer. People mostly don't invest to make money, it's protect themselves from getting slowly rugpulled by their local central banks. You need to take a lesson in economics before giving advice... 

xmrcache

ZEC is just a pump and dump coin, XMR Is at least stable and has real world use case.

Nub19

XMR tech is infinitely better

the_rodent_incident

Monero/XMR. All in.

jackrazorr

Could someone please explain to me like I’m retarded why Zcash and the technology backing it is even remotely as solid as XMR?

Proud_Cartographer17

XMR

spacehodler

Definitely. Depends who’s asking though with the higher technical skills needed to use it. XMR over ZEC imo

ScooterMcWTF

Hopefully not till we can swap 1 Zec for 3 XMR :)

btc_set_me_free

XMR is better 🤷🏻‍♂️

thuishaven

You should research: BTC, ETH, SOL, HYPE, SKY, MORPHO, UNI, XMR, ZEC thank me later

Crypto-Bets

Not really. Unless you timed ZEC perfectly, then you were shit out of luck. It did not give regular yields over the years. If you buy right now at $1,200 it’s a riskier proposition than buying XMR right now. “Dead Wrong” my ass 🤡

knarsn

XMR 100% ist the only coin thats ecisted since early crypto and completly decoupled from BTC. Insane resiliance even after all the delistings.

anymonero

What score does XMR have in your system?

Awkward-Tangelo-3337

It has pumped a lot but has no real world use? Do you realise the oxymoron? Why has it pumped so much as supposed to XMR then? I don’t understand XMR supporters… Look at the numbers now.

call_me_soup69

Personally I buy Bitcoin and Monero (XMR). You could add Etherium. Stay away from everything else. Also XMR is a risky bet. If you're worried just invest in BTC. Also - BTC could easily still drop to $50k or lower. Don't buy if you won't have the conviction to hold for several years.

6675636b5f6675636b

ZEC has pumped way too much and its usage in real world is minimal as compared to other privacy coins like XMR. i would close my short position thou, no point in going against the momentum.

CertiBud

Speculation... Except for XMR, that has a different purpose!

Skyobliwind

Die geeignete Kryptowährumg dafür wäre Monero(XMR). Das ist der bekannteste Privacy Coin. Der Nachteil daran ist man kriegt Monero nicjt mehr soneinfach auf jeder X-beliebigen Kryptobörse. Aber gibt da schon noch einige.

Trfrs

ZEC has its moments, but XMR is just way more solid

theguy445

Both seem like they're doing an ATH breakout rn. If anything, XMR is a stronger buy after ZEC pumps since there is more friction in acquiring XMR so less efficient trading volume

-TrustyDwarf-

Agreed, XMR has actual real usage.. ZEC has a CEO but no usage. Two reasons I always stuck with XMR...

xmrcache

XMR is definitely a lot more stable though.. Same with BTC.. ZEC is just pure gambling… was $50 a year ago you would have to be a straight degen/idiot to start putting money in now.

Crypto-Bets

In my opinion, XMR will probably continue to outperform ZEC longterm. XMR has had steady gains for its investors over the years, and I see that trend continuing. ZEC feels like more of a speculation bubble than hard currency like XMR/BTC. Crypto users don’t like spending ZEC either, I would be skeptical that ZEC can keep mooning.

-TrustyDwarf-

Well ANYcoin/BTC seems to go towards zero in the long run no matter if ZEC or XMR...

ShittingOutPosts

Trash. Bitcoin only. Maybe XMR too.

realthigh

Kinda seems like a typical VC pump to me with who's backing it and running it up. Will probably do well this cycle, but I don't trust it won't be sold off massively at some point. XMR seems like a much more honest decentralized privacy coin, imo.

Warm-Rock3930

Most places you would get coin require id. There are non cycling exchanges but you gotta buy it somehow. Research but I like your mindset. XMR is what bitcoin was supposed to be I highly recommend it.

John_____Doe

Please, please as an 18 year old with not much money to spare don't allocate your entire portfolio to crypto as tempting as that is. If you want put like 20% of you investments into stable Blue chip cryptos (Btc, ETH, XMR, etc) and the rest into traditional index funds. If you keep blindly tossing money into random crypto schemes you will end up being 40 years old wondering where thousands of your dollars went

nose_noticer

Maybe polygon. XMR already moving

Previous_Valuable873

LTC is a posterchild of what will happen to XRP, SOL and every coin in the top 15 but XMR...

foxyevolution

It depends what mining units you invest in. If the writing is on the wall for one, rotate to another. Sold so many BTC units for XMR and ZEC. Hightly profitable.

feng_sg

Make your wallet before anything else. Grab Cake or Feather, write the seed on paper, keep it off your phone. Then buy some LTC and swap it to XMR through Trocador, withdraw straight to your own address.

brugginggceat

I like XMR for the privacy angle, but I would keep the process simple: get it through a reputable exchange or P2P option available in your country, withdraw to a wallet where you control the seed, and always send a tiny test transaction first. Double check addresses and fees too. Privacy is useful, but good wallet hygiene matters just as much.

foxyevolution

Cards, Apple Pay, PayPal, all that stuff is going to ask for ID. That's not Monero doing it, that's the payment processor. If you don't want to do KYC, using a credit card really isn't going to be an option. First thing I'd do is get a wallet set up before buying anything. Use the official GUI on your computer, or something like Cake or Feather on your phone. Write your seed phrase down on paper. Don't screenshot it and definitely don't save it to iCloud. From there, you're pretty much looking at P2P, so buying from an actual person with cash or a bank transfer, or swapping crypto you already have into XMR and sending it straight to your wallet. I wouldn't leave it sitting on the swap either. And yeah, definitely ignore random people in the comments telling you to use some site you've never heard of.

ScopulyX

You’ll need a Monero wallet first. For a beginner, I’d start with the official Monero wallet or a well-known open-source mobile wallet, then look for a legitimate way to buy XMR that’s available in your country.

Dense_Weight_633

I am 100% in BTC this cycle. I also like XMR, hype is also great, but it has a high FDV and I think it might shoot really high, but I don’t hold it.

unknowngloomth

Because XMR and ZEC are the only privacy coins that make money. Plus, government hate privacy coins. They're blacklisted onto tier 1 CEXs. Zano another privacy is switching to PoS so they can get on more CEXs..

crazybird-thereal

I’have started follow crypto in 2017, here is what i’have learned : \- Buy token instead of mining it, if you want to optimise your profit. \- Even the smartest project that could solve all human problems, will fail in crypto. \- Buy only BTC for long term. \- Eventualy take some ETH, in case off a miracle append. \- All other coins will fail. \- For short term you can try to buy a new coin, and dump it later, but remember when you know this coin exist it’s already too late for you.... \- DCA BTC only... \- Eventualy spare some XMR, for your non legal bussiness, or if law restrain BTC (XMR always goes up when institutions says crypto is bad we should make a law...). It’s a boring strat, but an happy life.

no_choice99

Not even XMR?

SeriousGains

Anyone in crypto for Twitter clout doesn’t deserve a second thought. As for coins going to near zero, I’ve been here since 2017 and 80% of the coins I’ve owned have gone to near zero. The ones that haven’t (TRON, XMR, BNB, LINK, ZEC) have made up for the ones that have. Mind you I never held meme coins either. Looking back, had I just DCA’d BTC I would have still done better, and with much less stress.

Thomas5020

Anonymous payments, and money moving 24/7/365. Thanks XMR.

Dense_Weight_633

Some alts are pumping, the ones that are doing ok on their own, for example XMR , HYPE and a couple of others. This cycle is only for tokens with revenue that treat their token holders like shareholders. Old dyno tokens like DOT, ADA, Cosmos, Avax,  and many more that were popular previously are never coming back really. 

__Geros__

Nice my dude! I am up as well Average Btc 68k XMR 365$ Erg 0,21$

__Geros__

Thanks to DCAing all of my top 3 holdings (BTC ,XMR , ERG ) are safu, well almost all. If ERG dips to 0,15 cents it can go fuck itself

vekypula

You are wrong. XMR is built for everyone.

opensandshuts

What time range are you looking at? That's most important when considering "top performers". I did analysis here that shows that XMR and LINK were the first movers in this run up. SOL, HYPE, hell..even BTC were trailing XMR and LINK [https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1vuvs2c/analyzing\_the\_recent\_run\_leaders\_vs\_followers/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1vuvs2c/analyzing_the_recent_run_leaders_vs_followers/)

No-Masterpiece2246

No, I said "arguably worthless and constantly inflating". Goalposts remain. XMR is what's up. But you didn't answer my question about prices doubling. What did you mean about pricing digital serial numbers? perhaps you were referring to the traceability of BTC? Then I concur

NOtangibEL

Yeah.. I think XMR is the better choice..

holyknight00

It doesn't need widespread adoption, it just need adoption by it target audience which is not mainstream anyway. And big price increase bring all the speculative investors that do not care at all about the tech or the ecosystem. The only thing XMR needs from a price perspective is stability. That's it. Big swings in price makes it inconvinient to hold.

opensandshuts

It's true, I posted the analysis that showed it was gaining in early August along with LINK, ahead of all the other cryptos. LINK ended up flipping XMR by marketcap tho, as it became the biggest benefactor of this run. But def don't rule out XMR, because it was gaining ahead of everything else.

opensandshuts

In this cycle, it's actually daddy XMR (Monero) and daddy LINK (chainlink). easy to verify- just look at the charts. XMR + LINK had mid-August gains, BTC and all others were August 19th

Feralz2

XRM has been 300% up from the bottom, everything else is about 20-30% up, XMR literally outperformed everything by 10x - math

OneLazyFiveO

Because it’s detached from the CEX market for the most part. It’s been removed from a majority of the exchanges due to regulation concerns. Andddd no ones applying for an XMR ETF like ZEC has.

_DaBau5_

very specific reasons you’d want XMR and not available on most CEX. most people aren’t investing in XMR and the people that do buy it are usually buying it to spend

LTP-N

"Do people like to buy trash and hate buying real things like XMR?" Fucking hell. You think this isn't all just a gamble? You're one of "those".

holyknight00

it's decoupled from the market because it has intric value, it's not following the other pump and dump cycles. The coin is the end result, not the price. XMR only needs adoption to be successful. If it trades for 20 or 2000, it is more or less irrelevant.

otherwisemilk

XMR has infinite inflation so I dont buy it. If i wanted to get debased I'd hold fiat. The tail inflation is just an arbitrary number the mining cartels came up with to line their pockets. If they are unprofitable, they need to shut off because transaction fees are the only thing that should be supporting the network, anything else is a scam.

UAP44

XMR is the niche where the tech is optimized towards privacy first it's not exactly attractive from an investment point of view

Oxygen_bandit

XMR does it's own thing as usual. It hasn't been performing poorly.

SeriousGains

Why can’t XMR be like ZEC? Of course I sold ZEC and held XMR.

__Geros__

Emotional trading the best trading lol On the other hand btc and erg is up ! XMR dipped a little

bizi0909

XMR is one of the few coins I respect. But it's no performing that well right now

knarsn

XMR has been outperforming any of those btw

__Geros__

I touch only 3 coins no matter how market can treat them ( BTC , XMR , ERG )

Icy-Document-4566

Check Retoswap for XMR

ModernCYPH3R

I can't give a 2-sentence answer to this, and it would do you a disservice if you're actually trying to learn/understand. So bear with me as I walk you through it. I don't know your background, math, etc., so if anything is zooming past you, ask me or, as they say, 'Google it'. Yes, I teach. I've been at this for a minute (the grey beard should give that away!). This is the exact digital equivalent of **Zeno's Paradox** (where an arrow flying toward a wall always travels half the remaining distance but theoretically never hits it). Classic calculus In pure mathematics, yes, an exponential decay curve **(y=a(1−r)x*****y*****=*****a*****(1−*****r*****)*****x*****)** will stretch out to infinity and never touch absolute zero. But blockchains don't operate in the realm of pure infinite mathematics; they operate in the realm of finite computer processors. Here's exactly how protocols handle and resolve this "infinite tail" problem: 1. Integer Truncation (The Clean Math Stop) In a smart contract or blockchain ledger, coins don't exist as decimal floats. They are represented entirely as unsigned integers of their smallest atomic unit. * Bitcoin doesn't store "1.0 BTC" on-chain; it stores the integer `100,000,000` (Satoshis). * Ethereum stores Wei (`1,000,000,000,000,000,000` per Ether). When you release a percentage (e.g., 10% of the remaining supply), the computer executes integer division. Eventually, the remaining unreleased supply decays down to exactly **1 Satoshi** (the absolute smallest atomic unit). When the code tries to calculate 10% of 1 Satoshi: `1 * 0.10 = 0.10` Because computers discard fractions during integer division (known as **Integer Truncation**), `0.10` is rounded down to exactly `0`. The emission engine automatically flatlines, the remaining satoshi is locked in the treasury forever, and the block reward becomes exactly zero. Zeno’s paradox is solved by the physical limitations of bit-depth. 2. The Monero Approach: "Tail Emissions" (Permanent Subsidy) Protocol designers realize that having emission hit absolute zero is actually **bad for network security**. Once there's no block reward, miners/validators have to rely 100% on transaction fees. If transaction volume drops, miners turn off their rigs, the network's hash rate collapses, and it becomes vulnerable to a 51% security exploit. To prevent this, Monero (XMR) implements a Tail Emission. Monero's emission decayed smoothly along a percentage curve until May 2022, when the block reward hit exactly 0.6 XMR per block. Instead of letting the math decay further toward zero, Monero's smart contract hardcoded a floor: the emission stops decaying and remains at exactly 0.6 XMR per block forever. This ensures miners are permanently subsidized to secure the chain, while the inflation rate asymptotically tends toward 0% over time. 3. Hardcoded Sweep Thresholds Some protocols write a simple "sweep" conditional statement into the consensus code: **if (unreleased\_supply < THRESHOLD) { block\_reward = unreleased\_supply; }** If the remaining pool of unreleased coins drops below a certain dust threshold (e.g., 100 coins), the protocol sweeps the entire remaining balance into the very next block reward, empties the vault, and hard-stops the emission engine.

ModernCYPH3R

u/Super_Rush7926 The short answer is **the Clock-Time Oracle Trap**. A blockchain is a closed, trustless state machine. It has absolutely no native, trustless way of knowing what day, hour, or second it is in the real world. There's no decentralized atomic clock. If Bitcoin's protocol tried to release coins based on a standard calendar schedule (e.g., "release 1% on January 1st"), it would be forced to rely on two highly insecure vectors: 1. **External Oracles**: Relying on an external API or data feed to tell the network what time it is, which instantly introduces a centralized point of failure. 2. **Validator Local Clocks**: Relying on the local clock timestamps of the miners. If you did this, miners would immediately spoof their timestamps to trick the network into thinking it's next year, artificially accelerating the coin emission to dump on the market. **Block height (Proof of Work) is the only native, trustless metric of time that exists within a blockchain.** By tying emission to block height, and using the Difficulty Adjustment algorithm to dynamically anchor those blocks to roughly 10 minutes of physical computational work, Bitcoin translates physical energy directly into chronological intervals without needing to trust any external clock. # The Floating-Point Security Risk: To calculate a smooth, continuous percentage of unreleased supply, a protocol has to execute fractional mathematical divisions. In low-level consensus languages like C++, **floating-point mathematics are a notorious security vulnerability**. Different CPU architectures (Intel vs. AMD vs. ARM) handle floating-point rounding errors in slightly different ways. If two nodes running different CPUs calculate a fractional block reward and end up with even a single-satoshi rounding discrepancy, the network splits in half (a hard fork) and consensus is destroyed. To avoid this, Satoshi Nakamoto(he, they, whatever) chose a clean, bug-free integer bitwise-shift: **Halving the block reward every 210,000 blocks**. It's a simple binary shift (`>> 1`) operating on raw integers. No rounding errors, no floats, zero risk of consensus drift. # Do other coins use a percentage/decay schedule? Yes, projects like **Monero (XMR)** use a continuous decay curve that operates on a block-by-block basis to smooth out emission rather than sudden step-function halvings. However, **every single one of them still pegs the math to block count**, never real-world calendar clock-time, for the exact reasons listed above.

21drummaboi

Easy... Dex swap to Monero (XMR)

Professional_Elk_489

Punks are still worth $60K floor and the aliens are still worth millions. Pudgies are still worth $7K floor ZEC and XMR have bullish market structure BTC looks ok Rest of the market looks trash

WildNight00

XMR I truly believe in so I will continue to hold and DCA

Previous_Valuable873

At least you made one wise choice out of the three, XMR has been outperforming BTC for more than a year now, not to mention the other 2 shitcoins.

WildNight00

BTC ETH XMR and SOL I still hold but I don’t look at any of them

Previous_Valuable873

I also use it much more frequently than anything...to convert to XMR :-D

DangerHighVoltage111

P2p cash is the only real use case that matters. BTC got hijacked and crippled. p2p cash continues on BCH and XMR.

MakCapital

The only "true" crypto when priced in BTC, SOL, HYPE zoomed out. Not good. https://imgur.com/a/S8WmawG Not considering if you were staking SOL between 7.5%-10%+ you'd have over an additional 70% of free SOL from compounding revenue and issuance. Nothing wrong with XMR, but majority can't easily enter/exit until smart contracts or Thorchain adds (Watch for this. Getting close. Possible opportunity). Existing solutions are high friction and high risk. Why it has even struggled against its own competing privacy chains. *Honest human takes from someone here from the start of the industry. X link in profile.*

RainCity253

It’s also in a massive cup and handle. XMR could go crazy the next bull run

Previous_Valuable873

XMR is the only true crypto. Look at it's performance compared to BTC in the last year. SOL, ADA, ETH, all joke. https://preview.redd.it/z0kuiwftykjh1.png?width=1099&format=png&auto=webp&s=e9da501148f3ec0c39d4ea88e0bcd00c5530b000