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You can change 1 thing about a cryptocurrency to the better, but the next commenter gives it a evil twist.
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I’m so fed up with it all. Just going to sell and be done with it…
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Hey Redditors! I'm sending some VINU to every commenter, up to a total of 500B VINU (~$12,000)
Hey Redditors! I'm sending some VINU to every commenter, up to a total of 500B VINU (~$12,000)
Hey Redditors! I'm sending some VINU to every commenter, up to a total of 500B VINU (~$12,000)
Hey Redditors! I'm sending some VINU to every commenter, up to a total of 500B VINU (~$12,000)
Hey Redditors! I'm sending some VINU to every commenter, up to a total of 500B VINU (~$12,000)
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what are the 10 cryptos with lowest transaction fees?
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Mentions
Converted my crypto to XNO and moved to free Natrium wallet off exchange. No fees involved.
XNO would like to tell you something
Another day, another post about exorbitant BTC fees, which is driven by wasteful energy mining and limited block sizes. Just wait to see the fees when the network really starts getting used. I've been tired of being burned by fees since the last bull run (remember ETH fees > $50, anyone?), and much prefer the Nano XNO network because it's feeless, near instant and energy efficient.
Nano (XNO) has absolutely no fees...that's why many of us have switched.
Centralized exchanges are revealing themselves to be unreliable when it comes to purchasing crypto. They exist as they are because crypto isn't NEEDED yet. But look at where the economy is going. Where the national debt is going. Where the dollar is going. The value of the dollar has dropped somewhere between 85-96% since the Federal Reserve was established in 1927. Crypto that does exchange of value really well. That is my bet. XNO, XMR, BTC, whatever Smart Contract platform doesn't use Proof of Stake.
Anyone managed to withdraw anything today from binance? I just tried to withdraw 1 XNO and it's stuck waiting in a queue.
Is anyone experiencing delays with withdrawals? I have had a 'waiting for approval' on my withdrawal for about an hour. It's XNO so is usually very fast.
The standard, of course: Nano XNO.
You're delusional if you still think XNO has any chance. They've already proven to be the fastest fee-less medium and they've gotten nowhere despite that. Nothing is going to change especially since there's no smart contracts to hype up pump and dump projects. There's no ecosystem. Raiblocks had their run and it's a dead chain at this point.
Yeah I got cold feet and lost 10% of the small gamble, just added the DCA money to XNO instead. lol, stupid. I don't trust Kaspa where I trust XNO.
POS is becoming more and more centralized as biggest stakers earn the most. L2 always requires at least 2 transactions on the base layer, one to enter and one to get out and so still has (lot of) gas fees. >L1 I know of has scaled without sacrificing decentralization Nano XNO is one counter example, furthemore with always 0 fee.
Anyone looking to transact in crypto and are concerned about fees, look into Nano (XNO). Feeless, instant, environmentally sustainable (several million Nano transactions equal 1 BTC transaction, in terms of energy use) and unlike XRP with Ripple Labs, no entity has a bunch of locked coins waiting to flood the market in the future. It's built for transactions, and not all these unproven crypto use cases that boast about doing everything under the sun.
All fees are too high, why should you pay them? XNO Nano is the answer 🥦
BTC, ETH, ADA, XMR and imo XNO which deserves a spot in the top 10
There is, check XNO. Feeless and instant payment coin, there is no other more suitable for microtransactions.
XNO is made for X twitter. No fees.
XNO-XMR. Buy and withdraw from the exchange.
Gotcha. There’s another XNO for nft’s that has a 93k mcap so thought that’s what you were talking about. Be heard I’d NANO before. There was a good post a couple weeks ago discussing the reasons it hasn’t had more success. People are surprised.
Are you talking about Nano or XNO? On coinmarketcap XNO is listed as decentralized and accessible marketplace and ecosystem for creating and trading NFTs
I completely believe in XNO as a "true" currency. Call me stupid but I think Nano will get to $1000 by 2030.
Unfortunately my favourite coin will likely pump later (XNO)
Yeah. Hope to see my big boy XNO back to its past glories one day.
The point is that Nano is only a good payment method if you're only transacting in XNO.
Incredible explanation. I came to Reddit to answer a question that was tickling my brain: if Nano has no fees, what is the purpose of the XNO (Nano) token??? At least for other blockchains - their native token pays the gas fees. It serves a purpose. People believe that if demand for blockspace goes up, demand for gas tokens will go up, and the token will increase in price. Supply&demand. So holding a native token will make you rich as more people use the blockchain. Personally, I'm not sure this will play out in the long run. Reason why I'm looking into it is bc I get asked a lot what the difference is between Nano and Stability, since they are both public blockchains and both have no fees. Of course, Stability does not have a native token at all. That's why I love working there, bc I could never be accused of trying to shill and pump my bags lol There's no token to pump!
Now I can add it to the list *Cries in MOON, ALGO, ADA, ATOM, XNO, LRC, etc etc etc*
Nano XNO does everything LN is trying to do but it does it on L1 and feeless.
Enter Nano XNO, the lightning fast feeless solution.
Nano XNO: environmentally friendly, feeless and instant vs BTC's PoW mining energy usage, variable fees and 10 minute minimum wait times. XMR: privacy. DOT: focus on interoperability. ALGO: an interesting smart contract project.
What about Nano XNO, which currently has the highest Nakamoto Coefficint of 4 (four) in the cryptocurrency market? https://nanocharts.info
take what you use XNO-XMR
That's a \[SERIOUS\] rug pull. I feel really sorry for anyone that got rugged. I have always swapped my MOON to XNO on the exact day I received them (and people mocked me for getting penalized, but I never really fully trusted Reddit and a centralized project, so opted to play safe - I guess I was right). There is an important lesson here, about investing in centralized projects (there is a reason why decentralization has value), but there is an even more important reason about NOT TRUSTING REDDIT WITH YOUR MONEY/TIME. I'm probably done with this platform now. Even not losing any money with the moons, as they are safely stored into nano.
Same, a Decentralization, Feeless and Inflationless maximalist. #XNO
Ethereum and all its L2s, as well as SOL, XLM, NEAR, ICP and XNO.
The bot is an experimental project created by one person. By depositing nano (or other cryptocurrencies) to the bot address on /balance, your balance’s custody is held by this person. So the risks are mostly that she will close the bot and vanish with your funds or that the bot close somehow and you can’t use it for a while to redeem your coins back. If you don’t know/trust this person, you shouldn’t be depositing large amounts. However, with no minimum deposit amounts and Nano having no fees and instant confirmation, you can literally only deposit enough for each use. Bot creator was also gifting people with 0.2 XNO for the first try, so the opposite of stealing people’s money hahaha I’m comfortable leaving ~1 XNO there, but this is a personal decision, and I know the creator from other projects, which helps me trust her, personally.
tldr; Artificial Intelligence (AI) model GPT-4, developed by OpenAI, has gained global recognition. However, access to GPT-4 requires a paid subscription plan. A cryptocurrency enthusiast has developed a Telegram bot that allows users to access GPT-4 using a "pay-per-prompt" model and pay with cryptocurrencies. The bot is still in the experimental stage and users can try it using a Telegram account. The bot charges users in Nano (XNO) cryptocurrency and offers instant transactions with zero fees. The developer plans to add more features based on user feedback. However, users should be aware of the risks associated with using an experimental project. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.
XRB, NANO, XNO It’s clear they tried
considering additional context from your comment history, you should be able to follow ledger's official support article over at [https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/360005459013-Nano-XNO-](https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/360005459013-Nano-XNO-)
All I ever use XNO for is transfers between or to CEXs.
Nano is more and more decentralized over time. Not only from a network/consensus point of view but also from the development side of it. I'm sure this will bring majorly positive outcomes for nano's (XNO) adoption worldwide.
Inside the top 100, XMR Outside the top 100, XNO
And no NANO (XNO). Shame on these banks.
Same lol *Cries in ALGO, MATIC, ERGO, ADA, VET, XNO, ATOM, etc etc etc*
Yet the models initially designed (Proof of Work and Proof of Stake) are flawed and unable to achieve Lasting and Sustainable Decentralization. Developers were either naive, for building systems with mechanics which are inherently centralizing, such as forced taxation through Fees and Debasement, or malicious, if that was their intent from the get got. Bitcoin today has a Nakamoto Coefficient of 2 (TWO), the Lowest / Worst its ever been. Only 2 entitites (Foundry USA and Antpool) control over \~54% of the Hashpower (https://btc.com/stats/pool). It is clear that Proof of Work networks are inherintly Centralizing, due to its built-in mechanics of Fees and Inflation / Debasement. Its no surprise BTC went from "decentralized", to an "Oligopoly", and eventually to a "Monopoly". Meanwhile, we have systems which do NOT have these centralizing mechanics by design, such as Nano (XNO). Having ZERO Fees and ZERO Inflation / Debasement, control over the Nano network does not get naturally concentrated in the hands of a few players. Nano currently has a Nakamoto Coefficient of 6 (SIX), the HIGHEST among any Decentralized network! Contrary to Proof of Work or Stake systems, Nano's Decentralization rate only gets higher over time! (https://nanocharts.info)
You can run a node at home, but the share of Hashpower you yield is IRRELEVANT to consensus formation in face of the behemoths of the Mining industry. Bitcoin today has a Nakamoto Coefficient of 2 (TWO), the Lowest / Worst its ever been. Only 2 entitites (Foundry USA and Antpool) control over \~54% of the Hashpower (https://btc.com/stats/pool). It is clear that Proof of Work networks are inherintly Centralizing, due to its built-in mechanics of Fees and Inflation / Debasement. Its no surprise BTC went from "decentralized", to an "Oligopoly", and eventually to a "Monopoly". Small miners have been priced-out and bullied out of the Consensus formation. Their voice cannot be heard amidst the colossal size of industrial Miners. Meanwhile, we have systems which do NOT have these centralizing mechanics by design, such as Nano (XNO). Having ZERO Fees and ZERO Inflation / Debasement, control over the Nano network does not get naturally concentrated in the hands of a few players. Nano currently has a Nakamoto Coefficient of 6 (SIX), the HIGHEST among any Decentralized network! Contrary to Proof of Work or Stake systems, Nano's Decentralization rate only gets higher over time! (https://nanocharts.info)
But sir, Bitcoin is very centralized. Bitcoin today has a Nakamoto Coefficient of 2 (TWO), the Lowest / Worst its ever been. Only 2 entitites (Foundry USA and Antpool) control over \~54% of the Hashpower (https://btc.com/stats/pool). It is clear that Proof of Work networks are inherintly Centralizing, due to its built-in mechanics of Fees and Inflation / Debasement. Its no surprise BTC went from "decentralized", to an "Oligopoly", and eventually to a "Monopoly". Meanwhile, we have systems which do NOT have these centralizing mechanics by design, such as Nano (XNO). Having ZERO Fees and ZERO Inflation / Debasement, control over the Nano network does not get naturally concentrated in the hands of a few players. Nano currently has a Nakamoto Coefficient of 6 (SIX), the HIGHEST among any Decentralized network! Contrary to Proof of Work or Stake systems, Nano's Decentralization rate only gets higher over time! (https://nanocharts.info)
Yet the models designed are flawed to achieve Lasting and Stable Decentralization. Bitcoin today has a Nakamoto Coefficient of 2 (TWO), the Lowest / Worst its ever been. Only 2 entitites (Foundry USA and Antpool) control over \~54% of the Hashpower (https://btc.com/stats/pool). It is clear that Proof of Work networks are inherintly Centralizing, due to its built-in mechanics of Fees and Inflation / Debasement. Its no surprise BTC went from "decentralized", to an "Oligopoly", and eventually to a "Monopoly". Meanwhile, we have systems which do NOT have these centralizing mechanics by design, such as Nano (XNO). Having ZERO Fees and ZERO Inflation / Debasement, control over the Nano network does not get naturally concentrated in the hands of a few players. Nano currently has a Nakamoto Coefficient of 6 (SIX), the HIGHEST among any Decentralized network! Contrary to Proof of Work or Stake systems, Nano's Decentralization rate only gets higher over time! (https://nanocharts.info)
Bitcoin today has a Nakamoto Coefficient of 2 (TWO), the Lowest / Worst its ever been. Only 2 entitites (Foundry USA and Antpool) control over \~54% of the Hashpower (https://btc.com/stats/pool). It is clear that Proof of Work networks are inherintly Centralizing, due to its built-in mechanics of Fees and Inflation / Debasement. Its no surprise BTC went from "decentralized", to an "Oligopoly", and eventually to a "Monopoly". Meanwhile, we have systems which do NOT have these centralizing mechanics by design, such as Nano (XNO). Having ZERO Fees and ZERO Inflation / Debasement, control over the Nano network does not get naturally concentrated in the hands of a few players. Nano currently has a Nakamoto Coefficient of 6 (SIX), the HIGHEST among any Decentralized network! Contrary to Proof of Work or Stake systems, Nano's Decentralization rate only gets higher over time! (https://nanocharts.info)
> "What's the magic keyword to be mentioned to summon a specific group of crypto shills?" I'll go first, 0 transaction fees and XNO
https://reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/s/ft3yfjG27E Here you go! You can also use kuyumcu to exchange MOONs for XNO and then transfer it to Binance or Kraken and sell it if you want!
Go Nano (XNO). Zero Inflation, Zero Fees, Zero Waiting.
Moons, XNO, and about 200 random shitcoins that haven’t been invented yet haha
Nano XNO does it better. No inflation at all AND No fees!!!
Nano (XNO) has a presence in Nigeria for remittances, as well as some businesses and charities accepting it there.
The year is 2023 and most of the world population is still paying Fees for Transacting or Holding their Money. Stop getting robbed by Miners and Stakers, stop being parasited by Fees and Inflation / Debasement. Go Nano (XNO). Say XNO to Centralization and Theft! \#notyourkeysnotyourcoins
Nano (XNO) has NO transaction feees. The only costs involved is the time to open the app, set the amount, and hit Send. The transaction is confirmed in under 1 second.
When ETH finds a way to lower their gas fees significantly, and the time when XNO finally gets world wide adoption.
What you are looking for is Nano (XNO). Zero fees. Zero inflation. Instant speed. Fully decentralized.
You are not actually escaping from being constantly Fined. Government fines People via many ways: Debasement (money printing), Taxes, Fines, etc. These are all "Fees", obtained differently. By going into a Proof of Work system like Bitcoin, you are "escaping" into a system of endless charging of Fees... in which Miners debase the currency (theft), centralize the network (control), waste resources on burning electricity, building and maintaning mining rigs (high OPEX), charge \~2.5 USD per transaction and make people wait 10 minutes for a confirmation (expensive). You could escape into a system with no priviledged Class (Miners, Stakers, Central Bankers, etc.), that gets more decentralized over time, doesn't waste resources, doesn't debase the currency, doesn't charge fees, doesn't make you wait longer than 1 second for confirmations. Go Nano (XNO).
I prefer a non-corrupt network in which Miners don't debase the currency, don't centralize the network, don't waste resources on burning electricity or building and maintaning mining rigs, don't charge 2.5 USD per transaction nor make people wait 10 minutes for a confirmation. Go Nano (XNO).
Oh man, I'd use XNO to transfer instead if I could, just XNO doesn't exist according to Coinbase, lol. Algo is fast, but it still has a tx fee.
Not really at all. Look at all of the altcoins I bought because I FOMOed in this sub's recommendations: ADA, ALGO, MATIC, LRC, XNO... did you see how much profit I made?
I still like Banano, just my trust is waning. XNO is a more sure fire bet and likely the future of money with free Txs
Too bad XNO is not on the list.
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/XNOUSDT/cInhoc6q-XNO-showing-a-very-impressive-investment-opportunity/
So you tell me that my precious XNO, now sitting at 0.6 is never going to get back at 30+ again? How dare you!
That's why we should all just switch to Nano (XNO). No fees.
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/XNOUSDT/cInhoc6q-XNO-showing-a-very-impressive-investment-opportunity/ Thank me later
Nano (XNO). No fees and No inflation. Real world usecase adoption for remittances in Nigeria 🇳🇬 and soon expanding into 🇬🇭 Ghana.
I simply use Nano (XNO). Fuck the parasites.
That's why you need to do your research on the initial distribution of coins and not invest in rugpulls waiting to happen. Too many scams put there. Go by fundamentals. For me, now is probably a great time to be buying Nano (XNO) and anything else with strong fundamentals. Do your research and dump stupid projects without a real world use case. I think Nano is great because it's fully distributed and has no inflation or transaction fees. But you have to do an individual assessment of each project.
Why? Nano also has deterministic finality in under a second. Which means that it gets fully confirmed in your wallet (or in an exchange wallet) in less than a second. If you want to measure your revenue in fiat, you should probably have good risk management with your receivings. This would allow you to swap your XNO for fiat almost instantly if that's what you want. Volatility would have low-to-no effects.
Another reason to use Nano (XNO). Zero fees peace of mind.
I like where your head is at but... I have not been following XNO (Nano) for quite a while, but after just looking at the chart, if it was to become popular enough to be a replacement for traditional fiat, it wouldn't be viable until all of because of it's volatility lessened. At it's height, it was worth around 32 dollars which is absolutely insane compared to what it is now. Based on other comments in this thread, we could need for it to be stable enough for people to consider spending it on everyday items because if they spent 20 dollars on food and tomorrow that 20 would have been worth 30, 40, 50, or even 100 then they effectively just became the bitcoin pizza guy.
Soon as they pick up on Nano its off to the moon with XNO!
Give Nano (XNO) a try. It is also feeless.
Nano (XNO). Bitcpin will be replaced by Nano, which is the most efficient decentralized feeless inflationless transaction system there is.
Brcollish! Fast, feeless, fixed supply. Can’t wait for everyone to use XNO. Hahahaha!
Thanks OP! Useful post. However, looks like there will be a lot of fees are being charged. People can also use [https://moon.nano.trade/](https://moon.nano.trade/) to trade MOON for XNO in a single operation (will need ETH on Arbitrum Nova for gas fees as well, but these are the only fees that will be charged). Will also need a self-custodial nano wallet such as Nautilus, Nault, Natrium, or Stack Wallet; to safely store the received nano.
How is this possibly a nano shilling? This operation has no practical effects on price, as this is a fairly balanced demand (buy XNO) and supply (sell this XNO for XMR) outcome.
How is this possibly a nano shilling? This operation has no practical effects on price, as this is a fairly balanced demand (buy XNO) and supply (sell this XNO for XMR) outcome. Yes, swap platforms are CEXes (most of them), now what? The problem addressed in this post is CEXes that are delisting privacy coins. You are just raging here for no reason with empty claims. Thorchain is a nice tool, sure, but not the only one. Are you shilling Thorchain? lol
DAGs abound nowadays like XNO, BAN, KAS, etc.....