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Gr8WallofChinatown

CPI data is a lagging indicator. The oil prices are rising and so will CPI. When this conflict continues and the USA has to keep dipping into its strategic reserves (which it already is), it’s going to skyrocket in prices (oil) and CPI will increase. Interest rates will need to be hiked. BTC is going to get slaughtered even more

rando08110

Not everyone can save in their countries currency and expect it to have even 50% of the same value a year ahead of time. Making it impossible to plan for the future. This is a use case beyond belief. Many many governments are corrupt, including the USA. Every country will follow

KryptoChic

For retirement, buy and ETF on the SP500 or Gold. Gold has actually outperformed the SP500 since 1970, when the USA left the gold standard. Its fine to keep some crypto to speculate but not in your retirement funds.

Emergency-Warthog-56

Watch for the USA FED decision on rates towards the end of this month. Many investors are watching that one.

WarlordOfRamshorn

It is already in the USA. I've been in Bitcoin sinve 2019. Yes I had togive my info to buy; but, it was only the FIRST time. Any subsequent times I bought... no issues. Then earlier this year the portal wants ID, ss#, et al every. single. time. Same platform. New regs.

BigDik6355

USA has this too. Its called CARF.

supercali45

Pedo Regime is ok with crime if you can pay.. the USA has fallen

KryptoChic

Governments will continue printing money out of thin air and debasing their currencies. A USA bond crises will happen before 2040. These factors will cause precious metals (e.g., gold, silver) to surge much higher in price. Bitcoin will also surge much much higher in price.

Ok-Concept-7924

the USA has almost exactly the same regulations as the EU. All crypto exchanges and brokers file form 1099-DA with the IRS disclosing all relevant crypto transactions for every customer

Forgot_Password_Dude

not the USA merca! only librals/oppressed places have the issues

RetiredAvocado

Take the education you got back to your country. USA welcomes many, but it doesn't need another business analyst burned out on "formal education" dabbling in bitcoin hashrate.

Substantial_Food7545

Reddit, all over USA, etc.

HarryDepova

It’s absolutely illegal… in the USA.

Catbatt

And then he did it again with MELANIA. And this is the President of the USA.

Character_State4109

USA!USA!USA! Fuck Yeah!

jwz9904

well USA got kicked out already of the world cup, Trump can't call his best friend again to influence the game.

hpizzy

Remember everything he touches goes to shit...just ask the USA World Cup team!

TheGreatCryptopo

Trumps touch of turd works again, gets a red card overturned, USA gets thumped. Thanks turd midas.

No_Investigator3369

I bought using my coinbase account while in egypt or turkey about 10 years ago. chase noped right out of that and closed my account without reason. from USA

ODD_Old_Dirty_Degen

I am no expert by any means, but doesnt USA also have the first-infirst-out rule? So he is basically selling BTC which were aquired way lower than current prices?

Outrageous_Elk_3192

1. Quantum 2. BTC is not a good stored of wealth no more, store it in your head but have you seen USA stole many Iran BTC? Fundamentally it is impossible but surely USA has ways of doing it. 3. ETFs is the last exit for og whales, there will be no bigger money from now on. Just for example, not to mention Michael Saylor lol.

CompetitiveAppeal663

This is not true from what I understand (at least in the USA). If I buy something using BTC it is the same tax implications as selling the BTC for fiat.

TheresNoSecondBest

>does anyone actually use bitcoin to pay for things or to transfer funds between friends as a form of payment etc? Saving in Bitcoin is "using it" too. Anyway, here's how spending bitcoin IRL looks like: https://youtu.be/Tlhvnpi2ukA I'm "using Bitcoin" almost on a daily basis. Buying groceries, paying for meals, taxis, domains/hosting, VPN... Spend and replace is usually the name of the game so no, I'm not spending bitcoin while saving in cash. If you're thinking about spending some, here are my favorite directories: http://lightningnetworkstores.com/ https://btcmap.org - awesome map, you can even add your local vendors in, once you orangepill them. https://acceptlightning.com/list.html https://spend-sats.com/ https://spendabit.co/ https://directory.btcpayserver.org/ There's also an option of buying gift cards https://thebitcoincompany.com/ https://bitrefill.com https://www.egifter.com/buy-gift-cards-with-bitcoin - this one's least fave because they use a shitty custodian for payments but are handy for a few cards. Spend and earn some sats back: https://foldapp.com - save up to 20% Starbucks, Uber, Target , whole foods , Dunkin https://www.lolli.com – save up to 30% by spending BTC anywhere but primarily USA stores https://satsback.com/stores-list - save up to 20% by spending BTC anywhere but primarily Europe stores.

lovemyhawks

Assuming not a troll, tough to give an accurate answer based on many factors, the biggest being location. Idk anything about taxes outside USA but assuming USA, you can sell up to $49k annually (increases every year) without paying cap gains. Sounds like you have roughly 40 BTC minimum. If it were me, I’d sell enough for 5 years expenses and take that tax hit. Ride the rest and sell up to cap gains limit each year thereafter

OutlandishnessLimp25

Yeah, I use River (I’m in the USA, not in Nevada or New York, as it’s not allowed in those states) but have had nothing but great experiences with them. They’re very responsive and great customer service and bitcoin only exchange. www.river.com They have a proof of reserves too which is a nice peace of mind.

Ancapworld

For those who don't know, Ian was the host of [FreeTalkLive.com](http://FreeTalkLive.com), the first radio show to start promoting and accepting Bitcoin for payments. The USA sent him to jail for clearly political reasons.

briskwalked

eh.. didnt Adams do it in nyc or something? not much was said about it. that is the gov of arguably the most famous city in the world.. easily in the USA..

Lefties_TheWorst7331

Michael Saylor does not have 2.58x more than the USA.. his *publicly traded* company does.. however. The thing is, he is not the sole owner of that company, since its publicly traded.. Michael Saylor only owns around 10% of that company. So he owns more like 0.258x of what the USA owns.

Hasra23

What price does Bitcoin have to get to for the USA to pay off their entire country debt by selling only batch?

spaceshiploser

And Michael Saylor has 2.58x more than the USA

Crucco

June 5 was still "will they, won't they" phase btw USA and Iran. Now everyone seems interested in lowering oil prices and making money

SpeedRacerWasMyBro

Being able to discern sarcasm is a sign of intelligence. Here in the USA intelligence is in very short supply in a LOT of places...

ObliqueTravel

I understand that the balance sheet will depend upon the will of the voters and whether they decide to continue their poor decisions through the next few elections. I also understand that the USA is, and has been, one of the strongest governments in the world for more than half a century running now. And that Bitcoin hasn't really been a hedge against market downturns or crashes, if you need to use it to trade for things it's also going to crash unless it has ALREADY overtaken the dollar as a reserve currency. Which it will never really do because it's intended to be deflationary and not directly influenced by monetary policy, inherently making it a poor currency.

Letzgetpaiid

Tax refund 2026 Filing all taxes this year .If you ain’t file this year get at me now And if you filed and got paid ,Dm for Amendment. USA ONLY!! Hit me up in DMs

Letzgetpaiid

Tax refund 2026 Filing all taxes this year .If you ain’t file this year get at me now And if you filed and got paid ,Dm for Amendment. USA ONLY!! Hit me up in DMs

Beginning_Pop_4637

"It appears" that the crypto market is about to become stronger, so I'm expecting that.......I wish I had a working crystal ball but I don't..There's certainly a lot more bullish sentiment in articles hitting the headlines now, we don't really have any other way to know other than physically see the change........One thing for sure, military strikes between the USA and Iran will need to completely stop before comfort is actually restored in any market,, with a few exceptions,,,, Peace deals no longer remove investor fear because they seem to not work....I want to see July be bullish! I do hold some Bitcoin as well as many other market leading crypto currencies.

Aoi_Haru

In crypto, put everything in Bitcoin. In 3 years, maybe you’ll have 600k. In 4, you’ll be back at 200. Everything else, you lose. You should have bet them on Turkey victory vs USA. Now I dunno, figure it out.

grylnor

Last time people got kicked out (USA) they told them months before. And afterwards everybody was able to login via VPN and get their stuff out anyway. I somewhat sure they won't scam you.

alternator1985

Yea because that's totally what has happened in the United States. Monopolies didn't form and consolidate political power and become too big to fail and get bailed out by the government (with yours and mine tax dollars if you pay taxes) over and over. Capitalism is a delusional fantasy that doesn't exist because there is no such thing as a truly free market. Every single market has natural or artificial constraints and people that start out with advantages over others. Once your advantage is sizable enough, you simply reinvest the company profits into political lobbying and buying your competitors, the USA is built on one monopoly after another, and you see it still today. Every media company in the US is being bought up by one group as we speak. I'm so sick of people that think capitalism is the small business owner or restaurant owner when capital is what's making sure the small business owner can never exist again in many industries.

Popular_Broccoli133

Welp have fun with that. The rest of us are crushing it and accumulating more wealth than ever. Looks to me like it's working just fine. I'd rather be in the USA than any other country on the planet right now and so would every foreigner trying their hardest to get in here.

diradder

I didn't argue which solution was good, I am clearly arguing your point that it's similar to governments confiscating funds... it is not. Satoshi has built the system that enable this form of voting (with hashrate, with the ability for anyone to run a node and verify the chain they deem to be Bitcoin, with their feet: quit Bitcoin). You are subject to the majority of Bitcoin participants. If a majority of them "vote" to confiscate bitcoins, I might also leave personally, like I've left Ethereum when they "voted" (a much smaller committee in comparison) to return funds after the MakerDAO hack... I didn't move to ETC, I just gave up on that chain/project because I knew it was not serious. Code isn't Law on that chain, few people were there to tell you the outcome of a "smart" contract was when someone found a way to use the contract in a way that displeased them. This is a choice you can also make for Bitcoin if it takes a direction you don't like. But you never have such choice with fiat, save from fleeing a country... and even then some countries have tremendous reach when it comes to taxation (e.g. the USA, which taxes you even when you are abroad, directly or through taxation treaties).

Satoshislostkey

Its isnt available in the USA.

scottemick

I had the same problem with Changelly and never got my money back. I had DAI from SImpleSwap, Changelly kept it over 2 years ago. I showed them proof from SimpleSwap that I obtained it by swapping out ETH. Can't trust CEX's. At least coinbase is in the USA you can complain to their supervising authority as an MSB and also CPFB, though I am pretty sure Trump Republicans took away CPFB's power to do anything. You may have to sue them.

IllllIIlIllIllllIlll

The risk is not so much about them losing your money but more about them freezing your assets, or handing them over voluntarily to the government, or preventing you from withdrawing your cash during a systemic collapse. Also FDIC is a USA thing. Believe it or not, the world is bigger than just the  USA. Look up corralito in Argentina. Look up the Lebanon collapse. Don't fool yourself into thinking that the USA is immune to a systemic collapse. And even then, there have been some bank failures where FDIC didn't apply because it was a third party processor who lost the money, like Synapse Financial Technologies.

dirtsmurf

"least credible" yikes man. Im just an adult with hard money in the USA. You sound like you have a weird chip on your shoulder. "I wired" - I dont care, not the same thing at all "I withdrew some thousand" - I don't care, not the same thing "I got a cashiers check" - AGAIN NOT THE SAME You're clueless.

Spl00ky

The US dollar has lost about 96% of its value since the Federal Reserve was created and yet the USA has the greatest economy on the planet and is home to the most innovative and successful companies on the planet.

markdrk

I'm going to drop an assist... but I caught [Crypto.com](http://Crypto.com) working with MEXC... using BNB coin and transferring the assets illegally. Around the timeI called them out and reported to regulators [Crypto.com](http://Crypto.com) stopped supporting BNB coin citing it was "illegal" to hold in Canada... when it wasn't. That was when Binance, I believe, was in the USA. Now they are "nomadic"... draw your own conclusions. If you are interested in the story... I have all the transaction details and the way these companies lied every step of the way after stealing my currency. [Crypto.com Scam Exposé | Trump Media Partnership | Crypto.com’s Political Ties](https://www.globalscandals.com/ECI/Crypto%20Scams/Crypto.com/OMBUDSMAN/sumission/)

0bran

It's just a normal cycle, you all are just a newbies first time in a bear market. Was his fault in 2013? In 2017? In 2021? I mean I don't like Trump at all, in a matter of I think he is the worst thing that could have happened to USA and the world, but it's not his fault crypto is in a bear market.

Usually_Sunny

My point is, it's at about 2% adoption in the USA and about 1.5% adoption worldwide. What the heck would ever even get it to 5%? Much less some critical mass that would make it a viable currency. No one is interested in it. And this crash is making people even less interested in it.

MelangeBot

AI bubble in the USA will collapse. American data centres will never be able to compete with Chinese ones. Right now the resource cost of industrial electricity is only 40% in China of what it is in the US. It's projected that within 10 years this will only be 10% as China is laying more solar panels in one year then the rest of the world combined in two years. So even if we end up with AI that finds the balanced between how much it costs and how smart it is, and that balance makes it economically viable to replace human workers with AI. This might not even happen. But if it does there is just no way for the US to compete with China unless it starts taking money out of the industrial military complex and puts it all in to building out a grid focussed on solar. Solar is outcompeting everything. Eventually it will even be cheaper then hydro. And battery technology is still slowly increasing so the base load from hydro and nuclear (And gas and coal) that you need for a healty grid can be reduced to under 30%. However all these data centres will need massive cooling. So yeah we are looking at a future where half of all electriciyt we generate is used to cool us down. That is very supoptimal. To use the energy of the sun to cool us down from that same energy from the sun.

MissingW2

Bumm ass mentality. If you live in the USA just get a job and work for 3 hours you bum. Down 60 bucks is equivalent to the cost of a dinner date for two... get your money up gang why tf you posting here for. Only excuse is if youre ina low income country.

Renowned_Molecule

July 1st MiCA is enforced. CLARITY Act has to get Cloture Vote, Pass House again, president signs, and wait until the law is enacted within 6-18 months. .. I personally doubt we have to wait until 2029 for USA regulations.

dankmcganx

It's an escape from criminal organizations. Like the USA for instance.

en_le_nil

>The IMF [acknowledged ](https://www.imf.org/en/news/articles/2026/06/16/stablecoins-in-nigeria)that stablecoins support financial inclusion and lower the cost of international transfers. However, the report identified three specific risks that grow more serious as adoption expands. Those risks are reduced monetary policy effectiveness, weakened regulatory oversight, and greater exposure to illicit finance. That's really interesting, since the idea with stablecoin as I understand it is to decenter private banking systems from the flow of public currency. It's the democratic principle of the thing: Chase Bank is for-profit, it does not need to function like a peer to the American Federal Government. But, without the banking system working as a valve, governing the flow of dollars, stablecoin threatens to displace native currencies in non-USA countries, castrating those governments fiscal policymakers and maybe their public banking systems. Not very democratic. And since banks are removed from this flow completely, there isn't one single thing anybody can do to prevent this. Like how Elvis Presley going on the radio put a bajillion guys with guitars on porches out of business forever. They should release like a brief free trial version, see how that goes. Interested in being corrected if I've misunderstood anything.

Theycallmeking10

I don't know if you do not live in the USA but that's called propaganda bro

charvo

People outside the USA can buy QQQ on the ondo website and self custody it in their wallet. That's good.

Poopiehead2121

USA250, not America 250. That one was a rug pull. Usa250 is the actual coin commemorating America's birthday. I'm up about 75% from just putting in $140 and it's gonna keep going up as the hyp continues

BestialitySurprise

Yeah, Russia definitely beat Germany. The USA pretty much just liberated France and neighboring countries. And don't forget that the UK was heavily involved. Japan was mostly all on the USA. But they didn't cave until it became a 2-front war (Russia) and that was a mistake because Russia ate up a lot of territory as a result. Had the USA been more open on the negotiations, the war would have ended much sooner and the end result would have been pretty much the same plus many more lives saved.

Specific-Midnight867

thats against the law in the USA (and every first world country). there is a reason why they require the KYC lol. "I have all this cash, ignore the blood stains on it. How can I turn this into something liquid I can sell to get clean money?"

symonym7

To be fair, we went from Chokepoint 2.0 to ScamFest USA pretty fast.

azdcaz

$2.2B being funneled out of the crypto space and into one family’s pockets isn’t peanuts. Especially when that someone is the President of the USA.

N0C0mment888

bro the USA is the most warmongering state in the history of the human race. they assassinated Iranian diplomats in the middle of past "peace talk". FUCK THE USA

Pistarino17

# Confronto neutrale: Fiat vs Bitcoin # Moneta Fiat (€, $) **Cosa la sostiene davvero** * **Obbligo fiscale**: lo Stato impone tasse → devi procurarti quella valuta o vai in prigione * **Corso legale**: per legge nessuno può rifiutarla per pagare debiti * **Monopolio della violenza statale**: tribunali, polizia, esecuzioni forzate * **Sistema bancario a riserva frazionaria**: il credito crea domanda continua di valuta **Punti deboli** * **Inflazione**: le banche centrali possono stampare a volontà (M2 USD +40% nel 2020-2022) * **Censurabile**: conti congelabili (es. camionisti canadesi 2022, sanzioni) * **Svalutazione storica**: lira → 2000:1 vs marco tedesco in 50 anni * **Richiede fiducia nello Stato emittente** (vedi Argentina, Venezuela, Libano, Turchia) # Bitcoin **Cosa lo sostiene davvero** * **Scarsità matematica**: massimo 21 milioni, non modificabile * **Decentralizzazione**: nessuna autorità può stamparne di più o congelarlo * **Effetto rete**: \~15 anni di storia, \~$1-2 trilioni di capitalizzazione, milioni di utenti * **Costo di produzione reale**: il mining consuma energia elettrica misurabile (≈150 TWh/anno) * **Adozione istituzionale**: ETF spot approvati (USA gennaio 2024), riserve aziendali (MicroStrategy, Tesla) **Punti deboli** * **Volatilità estrema**: -80% nel 2022, pessimo come unità di conto a breve termine * **Velocità transazioni**: \~7 TPS on-chain (Visa ne fa migliaia) → richiede Lightning Network * **Consumo energetico**: dibattito aperto su sostenibilità * **Concentrazione**: \~2% degli indirizzi detiene \~95% dei BTC * **Rischio regolatorio**: gli Stati possono limitarne l'uso (Cina l'ha bannato)

Harmony-One-Fan

Fractional ownership I agree. If you have a digital card that's redeemable any moment of time, it's not really a scam right? Collector Crypt have done several hundreds of million USD revenue last year. I redeemed some cards and they shipped them USA to Europe within a month, all from their own vault.

znv142

hey I actually run a business with clients from all over the world. Everyone just pays me via my Wise business account or Stripe. It takes seconds. Collapse of the USD - I doubt it. I grew up in a country in Eastern Europe and my parents lived through 400% inflation, prices of stuff were doubling daily for a bit., essentially collapsing the local currency (lev). There were 2 years of chaos and then things returned to normal. A government as powerful as the USA will always find a way to recover.

anykeyh

Counter example: In the probable future, what will be used to settle deals between entities miles and miles apart? Let say: I am a city-state which import coffee from Ethiopia, how will I pay for it? My currency works in my city-state, but is useless otherwise; US dollars is long time gone with the current shape of USA. So, I could trade commodities and pay with silver and gold; but it seems unpractical and risky to carry it across border.

daniel8192

The USA is now down to 17% of global patents and utility model filings. The USA becomes less and less relevant each year.

JoahTheron

Der frieden zwischen USA und Iran

SteveW928

Second, but to be honest, I'm starting to question the whole cycle thing a bit. Certainly, as long as people believe in cycles, I guess there will be impacts. And, I guess they kind of follow USA election cycles. But, I don't see much economic reason for them any longer. The shrink in supply is rather small compared to the market now. And, as we see currently, things going on in the world and broader macroeconomic landscape have a much bigger impact. Technically, I guess we should be in a deeper bear right now? But, I'm also not sure the true bull even completed. If people really understood Bitcoin, I think it would be much higher. They'd be running to Bitcoin in a crisis, rather than other assets. So, I think this is all really a massive guessing game that nobody knows, let alone cycles graphs.

PrepperDisk

Probably a USA 350th anniversary t-shirt

TheresNoSecondBest

Not necessarily. Here's how spending bitcoin IRL looks like: https://youtu.be/Tlhvnpi2ukA I'm "using Bitcoin" almost on a daily basis. Buying groceries, paying for meals, taxis, domains/hosting, VPN... Spend and replace is usually the name of the game so no, I'm not spending bitcoin while saving in cash. If you're thinking about spending some, here are my favorite directories: http://lightningnetworkstores.com/ https://btcmap.org - awesome map, you can even add your local vendors in, once you orangepill them. https://acceptlightning.com/list.html https://spend-sats.com/ https://spendabit.co/ https://directory.btcpayserver.org/ There's also an option of buying gift cards https://thebitcoincompany.com/ https://bitrefill.com https://www.egifter.com/buy-gift-cards-with-bitcoin - this one's least fave because they use a shitty custodian for payments but are handy for a few cards. Spend and earn some sats back: https://foldapp.com - save up to 20% Starbucks, Uber, Target , whole foods , Dunkin https://www.lolli.com – save up to 30% by spending BTC anywhere but primarily USA stores https://satsback.com/stores-list - save up to 20% by spending BTC anywhere but primarily Europe stores.

Top-Inspection-5009

Just keeping up with the USA!!

silentplus

That's the payment for the Paraguayan team to play for USA that match

poploves

Nah, probably just a USA hating Redditor lol

Patient-Ordinary-359

There is no investing in crypto. It's all speculation, gambling. You put the last 10% into it. If you want to grow your wealth in a way which is more stable and predictable, the right choice for almost everyone is a broad ETF, any of the big ones: VT (all world), VT (USA) etc. Longer term you can expect around 8-10% per year, proven by decades of historical results. You can buy these from any mainstream broker.

jwz9904

at least USA Is winning

Excellent_Brilliant2

Global usage. if you arent in the USA, how hard is it to invest in USA stocks? Or in you are in the USA, or really any country, go buy some Samsung stock

Competitive-Win-9516

Well short answer it is because the inflation went up and the war between Iran and USA still happening, plus clarity act taking so long, plus big institutions selling and buying when it is low

InsightKnite

They don't have to manipulate it when they can just buy more than you and hold it. You act as if there is some magical forcefield stopping billionaires from buying you out or governments seizing your crypto. It's already been shown dozens of times. Facism does not really give af about what currency you hold they will still throw you in a cage for getting mouthy with them. You can not buy your way out of this problem in the USA, especially with a currency that requires electricity that can be shut off on you at the flip of a switch by any authority who cares to. It's one thing to make profit off of crypto ... completely another to have a cult like obsession that is beyond detatched from reality.

Aerocryptic

And what happens if Binance get sued and banned from countries like it happened in the USA? Still comfy? lmfao

robstrosity

When you have the president of the USA running memecoin scams it doesn't really make you feel confident in crypto.

lowther1

Accumulating / buying. Who has Bitcoin reserves? USA China Uk Are top 3.

baIIern

The MSCI 2x Amundi is great though. Not as volatile, thus less decay [https://www.onvista.de/etf/Amundi-ETF-Leveraged-MSCI-USA-Daily-UCITS-ETF-EUR-ACC-ETF-FR0010755611](https://www.onvista.de/etf/Amundi-ETF-Leveraged-MSCI-USA-Daily-UCITS-ETF-EUR-ACC-ETF-FR0010755611)

letsdrinktothat

Only way that happens is if the USA experiences hyperinflation and people are wiping their arses with dollar bills.

No-Problem49

Go ahead and try to do business in Russia as a USA citizen living in USA while using swift to evade sanctions. I think you are going to find that either you or the person receiving it will convert it rubles either way and also that the usa government will come to your house and arrest the usa citizen regardless of what method he uses to get around swift. I’m not saying that sending value using bitcoin isn’t useful; I’m just saying it’s not like this universal solution to the problem of sending money to every country in every situation. It solves like a very limited problem for limited situations for a limited population.

lowther1

USA, China, Uk are top Bitcoin holders. Google it. Cripes.

longonbtc

None of the reports say that the USA seized Iran's bitcoin. They say that the USA seized some of Iran's cryptocurrency but not bitcoin. The USA seized Iran's stablecoins. Stablecoins can be frozen and seized because they are centralized and permissioned. Bitcoin on the other hand is decentralized and permissionless. If you securely store your seed phrase and/or private keys for your bitcoin, then nobody can seize your bitcoin. You can voluntarily give someone your bitcoin and criminals often voluntarily give their bitcoin to the government in return for a lighter prison sentence. If a criminal stores their bitcoin on an exchange, the government can obviously seize their bitcoin from that exchange. If the government finds your seed phrase, then they can obviously seize your bitcoin. If you have your private keys sitting unencrypted on your computer, then the government can obviously seize your bitcoin if they get access to your computer.

Awkward_Potential_

>If the USA government didn’t exist; the first thing I would do is get a bunch of men with guns to strip the nearest bitcoin mine for scrap. No you wouldn't. You're probably a puss. But your point stands that property rights would boil down to "can you defend your property or not?". I own a house and guns. Could I defend it against looters? Maybe, maybe not. But in a failed state scenario, I guarantee you that Blackrock can't defend the millions of homes that they own. So there's easier houses to take than mine. >Then the people of the town , in response they’d collect money from every person to form a force to counter my raiding force. Aka they’d make the government again. Ok, so how many people actually want the brand new money that your town just made up? The Lindy effect of your town's new money is about 15 minutes. Bitcoin's Lindy is about 17 years. >This idea that bitcoin could exist or will replace the USA is absurd because bitcoins entire existence is based on governments continuing to exist so I don’t eat you and take your wife for my own. There’s a reason the police and the military exist. Empires rise and fall. And every time there are small minded people who think their government is invincible. Even in the face of ballooning debt, massive inflation and the people losing faith in their government. You may lack the creativity to see how badly this could go. You'll be a serf in the new world. Most serfs think they'll be badass raiders. You won't be.

No-Problem49

Let’s say I wanted to buy shahed drones or Afghan heroin and have them shipped to the USA from port in Iran. I don’t think the payment method is the major thing to worry about. I think the major thing to worry about is the USA navy blowing up the boat and men with guns coming to my house to put me in a cage forever. Who gives a shit if I can send bitcoin to Iran. It means nothing because I can’t get goods in return.

No-Problem49

If the USA government didn’t exist; the first thing I would do is get a bunch of men with guns to strip the nearest bitcoin mine for scrap. And I wouldn’t be the only one with the idea. Then the people of the town , in response they’d collect money from every person to form a force to counter my raiding force. Aka they’d make the government again. This idea that bitcoin could exist or will replace the USA is absurd because bitcoins entire existence is based on governments continuing to exist so I don’t eat you and take your wife for my own. There’s a reason the police and the military exist.

Good_vibes842

This is the democracy the USA loves to export so much. A system corrupt to the bones where only the rich prosper and are always above the law. I could vomit.

Zagubadu

Well its simple. 50 years ago minimum wage job wasn't the best but it allowed to have a house/car/family/etc. Now a single minimum wage job in the USA gets you..... idk I'm not really sure. 3-4 roommates all living in the same over priced apartment I guess. Or just live at home forever.

Environmental_Ice_80

decentrali Wat? XD number of BC ~ 21.000.000 State / Government holdings: · USA: ~205,000 BTC · China (seized, mostly sold): <50,000 BTC · Ukraine: ~46,000 BTC · UK: ~61,000 BTC · Germany (mostly sold now): ~0–10,000 BTC · North Korea (hacked): ~50,000 BTC · Other governments: ~30,000 BTC   → Total government known: ~250,000–330,000 BTC · Satoshi Nakamoto (unmoved early blocks): ~600,000–700,000 BTC · MicroStrategy (Michael Saylor): ~400,000–500,000 BTC · BlackRock, Fidelity etc. (ETF custody): ~800,000+ BTC · Exchanges (Binance, Coinbase — user funds): ~1,000,000–2,000,000 BTC. so how many is left for the rest of the "paying customers" ? XD

Billkr

You can't bring more than $10,000 cash or equivalent gold, bonds, etc cross border in the USA. Also, everything I have to pay overseas vendors (especially in china) I have to show proof of invoices before my bank will do large international transfers. The fact that I can't have a customer do a charge back scam on me is awesome with Bitcoin. I have lost more than $10,000 in Credit Card charge back scams over 15 years of doing business.

crazy_lolipopp

USA attacking Iran. Crash incoming

longonbtc

None of the reports say that the USA seized Iran's bitcoin. They say that the USA seized some of Iran's cryptocurrency but not bitcoin. The USA seized Iran's stablecoins. Stablecoins can be frozen and seized because they are centralized and permissioned. Bitcoin on the other hand is decentralized and permissionless. If you securely store your seed phrase and/or private keys for your bitcoin, then nobody can seize your bitcoin. You can voluntarily give someone your bitcoin and criminals often voluntarily give their bitcoin to the government in return for a lighter prison sentence. If a criminal stores their bitcoin on an exchange, the government can obviously seize their bitcoin from that exchange. If the government finds your seed phrase, then they can obviously seize your bitcoin. If you have your private keys sitting unencrypted on your computer, then the government can obviously seize your bitcoin if they get access to your computer.

trexus05

Any country besides USA, Canada, UAE, Qatar, Switzerland and western EU i’d say lmao

moz_rl

no your right it isnt as big of a gap as people including me make it out to be. but again we are comparing the average across millions of homes and millions of salaries. i should have included it in my original post but that ratio changes drastically if you only look at homes in urban areas. the vast majority of homes in USA are in the middle of nowhere and they bring the average down drastically. i think a more fair comparison would buying bitcoin now is like buy a home in LA in the 1950s. using google ai overview the average home price in LA was 9k, now it literally 1 million. that ratio is going to be WAY more drastic.

moz_rl

lemme try out the math. for USA. average home price 1950s about 8k USD average salary 1950s about 3500 per year ratio: 8k/3.5k = 2.3 home price 2026 about 400k average salary 2026 about 70k ratio: 400k/70m = 5.7 yea maybe its not as much as i thought but saving up for 2.3 years to buy a house is still way easier than saving up for 5.7 years on average. and im sure these numbers only gets worse if you compare these ratios for homes in LA, SF, NY etc.

Forward-Surprise1192

I bet that Iran is going to get there fee for the strait, and that’s going to be paid in bitcoin. The USA will agree to this and that’s the catalyst for bitcoin skyrocketing. What do you guys think?