USA

Thorsten_Speckstein

Many, just not Binance and Mexc. I would recommend Bitget, but as a resident of the USA, you cannot use Bitget.

lumpxt

Do keep in mind that not everyone lives under the rules of the USA and it's IRS.

OverlordBluebook

I invest in real estate also but I can tell you I wouldn't go by your advice at all. 100% it's a taxable event the rates may be like real estate but not how it's handled. I Had to pay crypto taxes last year on some gains part of the deal. It's not worth trying to make assumptions and not put it on your tax returns. They can see much more than you think and have full access to your accounts in the USA.

kironet996

Yuck, USA didn't sell...

bumtametje

I'm Dutch and with 15 btc I can buy USA, as it stinks and nobody else is interested

Spl00ky

Seems to have worked since the USA has the world's greatest economy and is home to the world's largest and most profitable businesses on the planet.

nomoney110

Imagine if the USA had a strategic altcoin reserve.

Spl00ky

>Printing money hasnt meant physical paper notes since 1913. Sure and commercial banks aren't responsible for that, the central banks are... >Why are you here shoveling lies to defend the most evil system in all of human history?  Are you a communist? Because it sounds like you don't like capitalism which has allowed the USA to have the world's greatest economy and is home to the largest and most profitable businesses on the planet. That doesn't sound like an evil system to me. >Every loan they make is fraud, by definition. Ah right so if that were the case then every country on the planet could become like the USA just by printing money. It's that easy right?

Amber_Sam

>A grandmother in Zimbabwe knows she can't save in her local currency. But should she trust some unknown Satoshi or the USA? This I believe will change over the next decades. The grandmother will be GenAlpha or GenBeta and she will understand the consequences of trusting governments.

LazyLifeguard

It must be stressful as fuck doing anything crypto related in the USA is what I gather here. I get it why everyone wants to hold there forever.

mjmeyer23

this is the evil genius of stable coins backed by fiat treasuries. they allow fiat central banks to compete with Bitcoin for hearts and minds who are trying to escape local currency debasement. A grandmother in Zimbabwe knows she can't save in her local currency. But should she trust some unknown Satoshi or the USA? fiat is all a race to the bottom. stack. hodl. thrive

judasthetoxic

Neither Ethereum or Bitcoin are USA assets, so wtf NSA has to do with the subject?

Ok-Brilliant-5498

Can anyone help me?.. I bought bitcoin in early 2015 and I bought $62 and got .07859 BTC, at the moment it’s $9169.00 at the USA markets… should I sell or keep?…

TurkishBitcoiner

1 ) Better jobs 2) Rate cut might not happen in december 3) Inflation is not low and is a bit higher , thus rate increases might happen 4) Liquid Cash is low , low liquidity = people sell assets 5) The whole world stock markets are down quite a bit, especially USA with sp500 and nasdaq being down trillions of dollars and almost back to their august prices. 6) Leverage liqudations 7) Fear of the 4 year cycle, panic, fear kicks in

bizaroo933

Burgers completely destroyed the cycle. Shit performance by BTC, no altseason, scammers can do what they want, constant selling pressure. USA shit country thank you for ruining everything!

Svv-Val

The US debt being untenable is a bullshit that USSR and Russia use in their propaganda. If it was untenable then USA would’ve collapsed. The economy is shit, but the fact that money printer will start printing will hurt the general public and it will hurt crypto much more then money printer will help.

AccomplishedBed2737

Funny how nobody talking about Asian markets when btc is nuking vs all the hate USA gets when it does the same thing.

bucketzBro

Because the dip isnt over... im holding out for the USA civil war before I start investing in BTC

SeaworthinessSad7300

ok break it down for me? You sell IBIT and buy BTC and the IRS dont consider it to be buying the same thing. Maybe USA is more loose but here in Australia the ATO will look and see if its effectively the same thing. They would consider an ETF of gold to be the same as buying gold bars. I have read their content on this and if its effectively the same underlying asset they wont let you get away with it

nikikins

Depends on where you are. Not everyone is in the USA or wherever you are.

2capshanker

You’re not wrong there, there are some stupid people around that’s for sure. But most people are good, and I’m just gonna keep hoping good things prevail…BTC is global so no matter how much the USA screw things up for themselves; a lot of people are catching on to sound money. I hope the best for you

diradder

Biden's fiscal and economical policies were great, I'd do more of the same. They literally got the USA in the top countries after COVID in terms of job growth, economic recovery and control of inflation... despite the situation he inherited from Trump.

RadiantHedgehog2850

There is not one, you cannot analize any markets, it's manipulated... [](https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/?f=flair_name%3A%22ADVICE%22)WHY??? Well. Extreme fear is gripping the USA and BTC is suffering for no reason. IF it is self custody, then it is NOT attached to any other markets, just because the US stock exchange drops BTC should NOT AT ALL. It should go up this is just like the massive crash in 17, so why the fuss and panick sale and drops? It has been manipulated by Blackrock I KNEW ETF's should NOT be involved we are here to be our OWN BANK Bitcoin should not be played in the financial markets this is an outrage! They are actually trying to take down BTC so they can have there mighty dollar in control leave BlackRock alone! Here we go again hold on to your britches because these pants are gonna fall down!

RadiantHedgehog2850

[](https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/?f=flair_name%3A%22ADVICE%22)Extreme fear is gripping the USA and BTC is suffering for no reason. IF it is self custody, then it is NOT attached to any other markets, just because the US stock exchange drops BTC should NOT AT ALL. It should go up this is just like the massive crash in 17, so why the fuss and panick sale and drops? It has been manipulated by Blackrock I KNEW ETF's should NOT be involved we are here to be our OWN BANK Bitcoin should not be played in the financial markets this is an outrage! Here we go again hold on to your britches because these pants are gonna fall down!

OrcOgi

The bitcoin grift reached the top when President of USA embraced it. There is no upside anymore. ETFs are in place and retail doesnt care anymore. Dead asset and AI is the new posterboy. Give me 1 good reason why bitcoin would outpace ai in the next 20 year.

Amber_Sam

>so I guess my question is who makes day to day purchases with Bitcoin I do. Here's how spending bitcoin IRL looks like: https://youtu.be/Tlhvnpi2ukA I'm using Bitcoin almost on a daily basis. Buying groceries, paying for meals, taxis, domains/hosting, VPN... Spend and replace is usually the name of the game so no, I'm not spending bitcoin while saving in cash. If you're thinking about spending some, here are my favorite directories: http://lightningnetworkstores.com/ https://btcmap.org - awesome map, you can even add your local vendors in, once you orangepill them. https://acceptlightning.com/list.html https://spend-sats.com/ https://spendabit.co/ https://directory.btcpayserver.org/ There's also an option of buying gift cards https://thebitcoincompany.com/ https://bitrefill.com https://www.egifter.com/buy-gift-cards-with-bitcoin - this one's least fave because they use a shitty custodian for payments but are handy for a few cards. Spend and earn some sats back: https://foldapp.com - save up to 20% Starbucks, Uber, Target , whole foods , Dunkin https://www.lolli.com – save up to 30% by spending BTC anywhere but primarily USA stores https://satsback.com/stores-list - save up to 20% by spending BTC anywhere but primarily Europe stores. >when everything crashes so does bitcoin When the Zimbabwe dollar, Argentinian peso or Papiermark in Germany went down, other things measured in the failed currency went up. If the dollar, euro or pound goes down, Bitcoin will be the ark, everyone will be looking for.

bitusher

Because bitcoin doesn't have high cc processing fees or charge back risk or cc fraud risk so the merchant can pass on the savings to the client some examples https://www.lolli.com – save up to 30% by spending BTC anywhere but primarily USA stores https://satsback.com/stores-list - save up to 20% by spending BTC anywhere

Mohammad_Noruzi

when AI bubble burst, lots of people gonna lose their jobs. the whole economy of USA is running on AI right now. not trying to predict people's behaviour but when people lose their job, they would resort to cash and won't spend it on speculation but rather would spend it on their daily needs. that's why almost everything tanks in recessions. they might even cash out their BTC for their daily purchases, which would cause BTC dropping with stocks too. but it's all just a random redditor's opinion, we have to wait and see what people actually do.

bitusher

>Do you live in the U.S No > being a taxable event? there are multiple ways to spend BTC in the USA both legally and illegally to avoid cap gains . I already mentioned one of the methods in this topic >If you don’t live in the U.S. I’m also curious how your tax system works in this regard. My country doesn't have a clear policy on bitcoin and even if they did they would not be able to enforce anything

bitusher

>Spending Bitcoin is a taxable event. depends upon the country and even in countries like the USA you can simulate LIFO accounting with specific ID and spend and replace to avoid a cap gains event as one of many methods people avoid paying taxes when they spend BTC

Rawflsauce69

BTC reserve. What happens you think if that gets passed over next few months? USA will hold more of it other countries will follow. Some already are accumulating.

namieorange

Another one. UAE state triples its funds in Bitcoin ETF Before El Salvador Before Czech Republic Trump is saying China is getting ahead of USA in adoption Harvard has it as its sole biggest asset Crypto is now accepted by the public eye and there are many pro crypto policies I cant believe how bearish it all turned, or we turned

cogvancouver

do you honestly think in a major financial crisis in the US, bitcoin would be stable/go up? if any major banks crashed in the USA, bitcoin would literally be the easiest and least important asset to sell off. big funds hold bitcoin. if there was any kind of banking crash they'd immediately sell off bitcoin if they need liquidity. also if millions of people are losing their money, they won't have money to buy more bitcoin. bitcoin is in no way immune. if any major banks crash, bitcoin is going down with it.

Determined_to_heal

It also follows the business cycle, the ISM (incredibly close correlation chart wise), the USA 4 year presidential election with the post election year dip hitting perfectly etc... etc...

Erowid2S

>That's a total non-sequitor. A disagreement != a statement t hat doesn't logically follow the previous one. > I spend $0 on bank transactions. So compared to bank transactions for me, Bitcoin is INFINITELY less efficient. But we do spend resources on hiring armed guards to transport money, for example BRINKS. Plus, we spend resources on hiring people to run banks, banks pay to maintain their physical banks etc... this costs energy to keep the lights on, etc. You may spend $0 on bank transactions, but there are resources being spent for those transactions to occur. This is what the main point we're discussing is: resources are being wasted to mine bitcoin—much more than are being wasted by TradFi, for us personally and for the whole world. > That's obviously a terrible example, which is why it's illogical to convert it into kWH. Every person's situation for comparison is different, and it would be imprecise for me to use anything but 3.125 BTC per block or $320k in today's USD. That's what's important to me because it can imagine that amount of money. One estimation is that a single bitcoin transaction uses 1289 kWh. In the USA here in Los Angeles, that'd be about $640 at $0.41/kWh for an average person. The average person uses probably 3 to 10 kWh a day. A fridge uses about 250 kWh a year on the low side, 1000 on the high side. So about $410 a year MAX. A bitcoin block mined is estimated to use 155,000 kWh. Here in LA, that's about $63,500 with no special energy contract. Other metrics say 1 BTC mined is 6,400,000 kWh. There's no reliable source. So to say it costs $320k to mine 1 BTC is BS.

Downtown_Ship_6635

I guess you are not from USA ... :D

Lord_Alamar

USA

GergDanger

3% of bitcoin owners in 2021 used it for transactions, that's down to 2% in 2024 in the USA. some countries with really bad inflation that used to use US dollars use it for transactions more

Erowid2S

Dollar measure is no good; even in the USA itself, we have differing prices per state. kWh is what you should write. The bitcoin miners pay for cheap electricity contracts, so kWh is what's truly important.

Downtown_Ship_6635

What? How would that work? Do you know there are more countries than USA on this planet?

GrumpyScroogy

Crypto is done for, killed by Trump. As excpected tbh, since it was the ultimate grift tool. There was no more upside possible after the president of the USA embraced it.

BoldCrunchyUsername

I personally prefer River, but I am in the USA.

Educational-Bad-512

You're absolutely right. There's no globalization or implementation or anything really. You can't buy a cup of coffee with it, yeah there's some hipster cafes here and there but you don't pay in Satoshis, you pay the USD equivalent which varies everyday. There's no adoption or anything it's been years, it's not happening. And all DeFi does is makes you buy other shitcoins. You open a position and gamble on the price if up or down, it's the same as entering a casino and playing HiLo lol not to mention that there's already a ton of services that you use to transfer money locally and internationally using only your phone number. There's no anonymity since everything is visible on the blockchain forever and no decentralization since you can't convert crypto to fiat unless you join an exchange and complete KYC. Also crypto is being taxed now in USA and Europe and that's really the opposite of what was intended. Physical gold holds its value very well, it has its ups and downs but there's no volatility really and it's a much better store of value as it has been for hundreds of years, similar to silver and other precious metals. You said it, it's gambling and you can't make money off it unless someone else loses it. Personally I would only invest like 10% of my total savings in crypto and use it for trading actually buying long and short positions and not HODLing forever stressing all day long looking at charts.

SteveW928

Yes, that's how you and I have to live. But, the money printer is hard to resist for them. They don't even have to tax the people to do what they want to do, they just 'print' and steal it out of productivity gains, make citizens poorer, and kick the debt can down the road for someone else to deal with. The scale of the problem in the USA is out of control, though. They'd have to cut the budget like in half, and people can't afford all that much more taxes.

NiagaraBTC

Did you hear that every Square terminal in the USA can accept Bitcoin now? No doubt more merchants are enabling this every day.

turdoman

Was it like USA is not gonna build huge btc reserve or what? I'm not gonna fact-check my first thought, which is there in the line above, since I wanted to give you my unedited take on it. If I were to fact-check, I might come up to a different conclusion. But I do remember reading up "somewhere" that the USA BTC thing isn't proceeding as such and the markets have thus valued the BTC as lower. Also, I know from better sources and from more sources the liquidity crises, conditions trigger to force institutions to sell.

Next-Birthday-9834

By 2030 it would reach 1mil. as this is used s as hedge by USA Gov to dedollarize their debts. So I am not worried. Just buy the Dips and make good avg and HODL

Pretty_Eye_2390

I’m not located to USA bro

1HappyGuy777

The mega rich keeping their money in stock to avoid taxes while the lower to middle class struggle living paycheck to paycheck and grocery prices getting higher and higher with little increase of pay/income, who woulda thunk it. The USA is basically a corporation or ran by them.

CliffordBBanes

Investing means to put money, time, resources, or labor into something to try to receive a return. Also if you voted for a Republican or Democrat presidential candidate in the USA, you also support pedophiles.

Bubblebau

I don't know if the USA is collapsing, but China is growing better, has less debt and more tidy accounts. And all the countries that gravitate around China are starting to do without the dollar and instead buy gold or invest internally. The US needs a weak dollar to monetize debt and continue the trade war. A difficult period is coming for the United States.

LooseSpot4597

I planned this years in advance and have been mentally preparing myself for it. I just don't feel like buying and holding is going to make serious money anymore and I do believe the "cycle" is still going, haven't heard any too convincing arguments to suggest anyway and eyeballing the price it certainly seems to be the case. If I were to rebuy right now I'd have already increased my stack by over 10%, however if that happened I wouldn't mind too much because if it goes up so much that it never goes below $100k again that means it has got far more big gains left than I am expecting. Obviously I would regret selling but I think (especially now seeing the drop since I sold) I made the right decision. always the only people who are gonna get utterly fucked are those who sold way too early or sell after it has crashed severely. Tbh my only regret is that I was overly optimistic with the price and was hoping for a lot more. If I knew it would only reach this level I'd have worked harder to immigrate to USA (I am British), made different career choices and maybe tried my hand at business. As

xblackdemonx

USA is a criminal country. 

sisygoboom

You know most of the world doesn’t celebrate thanksgiving or participate in Black Friday right? You come from an extremely USA retail POV

mouawad23

A friend of the family told me a couple of years back that his son was into XRP as the USA was positioning itself to use it for currency/banking system. I just nodded and smiled.

vaughndadestroyer

Pi Network's native cryptocurrency (Pi coin) has not gone public (listed on major open exchanges) in the USA, Europe, or most of the world primarily because its mainnet is still in a closed phase, and it has not met the standard requirements for listing on regulated, major exchanges. Key reasons for the lack of public trading on major platforms like Binance or Coinbase include: Closed Mainnet: The Pi Network is currently operating on an "Enclosed Mainnet," meaning that Pi coins are confined to the network's internal ecosystem and cannot be freely traded on external exchanges. Official trading on external platforms is not sanctioned by the Pi Core Team. Lack of Transparency: The project's source code is not fully open source, which major exchanges often require to assess the network's safety and integrity. No Third-Party Security Audits: There is a lack of public evidence showing that the network has undergone a security audit by an independent third party (e.g., CertiK), a standard practice for ensuring a project's security and an exchange prerequisite. Regulatory Uncertainty: The project's model has been described by some as resembling a referral or multi-level marketing (MLM) scheme, which raises regulatory red flags, particularly with stringent regulatory bodies like those in the USA (SEC) and Europe (FCA). Exchanges are cautious about listing assets with unclear legal frameworks. Incomplete Listing Application: Some analysts speculate that the Pi Network has not yet submitted a formal and complete application to major exchanges for review and due diligence. Lack of External Liquidity/Market Data: Without open market trading, there is no real-world price history, volume, or liquidity data, which exchanges need to manage risk and ensure a stable market

_a_new_nope

I don't care the USA is drowning in unpayable debt which will be monetized there's no chance USD holds its value long term

WhatTheFrix

Good question ,why don't you ask the creator of the Bitcoin?Now ,my opinion on it is this ..The same 2008 that big business couldn't fail and 700 billion was given to crooks ,the BTC rolled out as an answer,and the more people bought this lie of how it is totally separate from these bankers and scum suckers that have not only enslaved u ,taken monopoly privileges on your power water livelihood,your heat ,fuel ,and any amount of moving money will have a middle man,taxes ,strict knowledge and control over the movements and these are the same mf people that do the stock market ,the families associated with the 1933 gold heist of A Constitutional Republic Called USA,And so ,as they have bled the stock market dry and have the housing ,working on the body paying the same as everyone that drives a vehicle,and so what better way than to milk the public than to create something and tell everyone it was not created by those greedy controlling bastards,and let them buy it up,lose passwords spend on porn drugs and any other reason we can just take it,manipulate prices like gasoline any time we need few billion we can just say oh wind is blowing ,that gasoline needs a dollar increase since we might have a hurricane that may hit a refinery or rain near it at least ,so BTC it goes up when talk is tough on this and goes down when someone gets a blow job and such and so.Man,You ever seen a magic show?Smoke and Mirrors

ecnecn

Instant payment networks between continental / country banking systems here a few that are already live (some with QR codes because they have many rural regions or islands) **USA (North America)** * **RTP Network (The Clearing House):** Real-time bank-to-bank transfers, 24/7, in operation since 2017. * **FedNow Service (Federal Reserve):** New instant-payment infrastructure run by the U.S. central bank, available around the clock, 24/7/365, introduced in 2023. **Europe outside the euro area** * **UK – Faster Payments Service (FPS):** Real-time crediting within seconds, 24/7, for domestic transfers in GBP. **Latin America** * **Brazil – Pix:** Central system operated by the central bank; transfers in seconds, 24/7, with very broad use among the population – effectively the most important payment method in the country. * **Mexico – SPEI:** Real-time transfer system of the central bank (Banxico); transfers usually processed in seconds, available 24/7. **Asia** * **India – UPI (Unified Payments Interface):** Instant payment system, used mainly via mobile; enables real-time payments between banks and now accounts for the majority of digital retail payments in India. * Many other countries (e.g. Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia, South Korea) also operate their own real-time schemes, often using QR codes and mobile wallets. **Africa (regional)** * **PAPSS – Pan-African Payment and Settlement System:** Pan-African real-time system for cross-border payments in local currencies, launched in 2022; supports instant or near-instant transfers between participating countries. **China has it for their internet banks.**

Gelinhir

More like glad it is cause USA is a hellhole 

Aazimoxx

Every month on average, inflation (2.5%) wipes $46.3bn from the total value of the USA's USD M2 - and USD M2 globally that value loss rises to a whopping $199.9bn. (M2 is a commonly used measure of most of the total money supply) It's good to have some perspective on these things. 😉

TheWay33

It's not crazy at all, that's literally the design of the system. It seems crazy because people cannot think outside the box of individual or personal finance, which the government is not.  You have a country that has the ability to tap the independent federal reserve to borrow USD. USD is the world's reserve currency. When you print dollars it places downward pressure on the currency, meaning every single country in the world holding, investing, transacting in it, needs more dollars to maintain economic growth.  Because the USA can tap USD, they're the first to be fed, and can strategize and shift monetary policy around before anyone else can even react.  The entire first world is tethered to the health of the dollar.  This is literally why the dollar was bebased from gold. Unlocking the dollar from a finite resource into an infinite resource achieves its freedom.  Any politician crying and screaming about the deficit, is not being sincere. The only goal for citizens should be to achieve matching wage increases to inflationary expenses. Which has not happened in a long time.

GettingFasterDude

Call the OTC desk at a few major exchanges and see how low they’ll go in fees. Start with River (USA only) and Strike.

PileOfBrokenWatches

Yeah it’s a lot of debt. If the USA magically got all the gold in the world put into their reserve, they would be able to pay off only 21 trillion of the debt.

skillsoverbetz

Relax we ain’t even started yet. Remember 2025 they laying out the ground work . 2026 official first year for crypto implemented. Dec 1 quantitive easing starts we ain’t seen nothing yet! Big boys central banks and exchanges wants in cheaaaaaaaaapppppppp! Soon countries will follow and build a reserve. USA will sell gold/silver to buy btc reserves. Patience is key

BlahBlahBlackCheap

One scenario: First thing is that the government cant pay the military, its other workers, and its social programs. We spend twice what the tax revenue brings in. So if printing stopped, half the government workforce would be laid off. We've see trumpy do something a little along these lines already. How do you like the result? The ripple effect sees less consumer spending. Tighter job market. Insecurity. Less spending on nonessentials. That means even more job losses as those businesses struggle, and reduce their workforce. Small business like diners, the local sign and print shop, and lawn and garden care, get a kick in the shorts as anyone but the very rich stop spending on anything except debt service and food. Pets get abandoned and thousands of families begin getting evicted as the job market shrinks further and they cant pay the rent. We are now in a full blown depression. Soup kitchens and Grapes of Wrath type stuff. Gold is 50,000 an ounce. Bitcoin, 1,000,000. People are hoarding dollars, still not spending, as deflation really kicks in. Those businesses still operating struggle to sell products at a cost which will cover expenses because the consumer just has no money. Or if they do, they ain't spending it on anything but the bare essentials. Thats a huge problem because most of businesses that employ a lot of people, basically deal in nonessentials, here in America. Anything but food, energy, and housing is a "nonessential" and all those industries come under extreme duress as their consumers completely disappear. This causes the credit markets, which have been teetering for a while now, to lock up like a big V8 engine running wide open with no oil. A couple large banks literally commit harikari. People cant get their money out because these banks dont have it on the balance sheet and certainly not in cash, and a larger run on other financial institutions takes place, which the government halts with armed guards. But that doesn't prevent banks overseas from failing, and the US economic disaster now becomes a worldwide contagion, spreading through vulnerable global economies. Forced to "mark to market", bank all over the world suffer massive losses because the dollar is basically worthless anywhere but in america, where, ironically, it continues to be hoarded by desperate Americans, half of whom are jobless. A barter economy forms because no job means no money but people still have to eat. At some point, Serious hyper inflation usually sets in during events like this as goods become so expensive as to be unobtainable. People who have dollars start trying to unload them to buy basically anything of value before it increases in price. Gold now trades at one trillion dollars per ounce on the black market but a trillion dollars only buys 30,000 euro. The old US coins, made from copper or zinc, decouple from the dollar, with a dime being worth 100000 dollars, but will still buy a loaf of bread made by the woman down the street. Silver coinage is locally in high demand for larger purchases. Such as a bag of coffee, for one silver dollar. The USA is essentially a 3rd world country now, with large areas of extreme poverty surrounding a few small ultra wealthy enclaves protected by the military. Various locales attempt to move away from the dollar by minting their own silver or copper coins. Such areas begin to slowly recover using their own resources to nurse their local economies back to some functioning condition. There are few if any foreign goods to be had in these areas since no one can afford them. Cottage industries start making shoes, clothing, household goods, and things like that. There are very few fat people and very few sick people, since theres not much food, and only basic health care. After this, I can see the country breaking up into smaller, easier to govern territories, and existing on their own for a long while.

Bewt2

I didn’t like how David sacks from the “all in podcast” was heavily invested in solans. Than became the “crypto czar” in the USA.

Adept-Ad-738

Would rather have more BTC. Holding fiat is crazy risky considering the implosion of USA is very close

Lord_Alamar

No that was the USA

Mohammad_Noruzi

if USA and China and Russia start nuclear war, we will be under 1k by new month

MinimalGravitas

> And what percentage of that is managed by Lido? 23.75% [https://explorer.rated.network/] For comparison, Foundry USA builds about 29%% of all Bitcoin blocks [https://bitref.com/pools/]

Wooden_Blackberry_88

Because the USA is behind it

Normal-Translator529

I will remain long BTC and US equities for entire Trump term. We are not accustomed to trillions in new investments coming into the USA. Usually our politicians are encouraging the opposite, pumping our money into other countries because of cheap labor. Respectfully, there are no bubbles. Everything is priced accurately for any given moment, including AI. I agree that you also can choose not to believe but it also doesn't make it not true. Right now it seems you are selling and I am buying. Long term I think I'll continue to do very well.

JohnWickstyle

It's never too late to bow to the king. That's how the USA works now.

Fit-Vegetable6809

As long as it is only American bitcoin investors there will loos everything. Then the rest of us outside USA is fine 👌🚀🤷

InsightKnite

It's almost like the governments of the world have zero claim of ownership rights to cryptocurrency? Whoda thunk it lol. Imagine the USA telling China what it can and can't do with Yuan via regulatory policy. This is basically what you all are allowing to happen when you champion market regulation of crypto. Buy the ticket, take the ride.

saltytrader_

Lol Europeans don’t clap back that hard like you do about Murica matters!!!! Global liquidity is in the markets not just USA uSA UsA… Anyway, no delayed jobs report could be remotely bad enough to cause this kind of a dump. Reality of the situation my guuuuy

LooseSpot4597

I sold all my holdings a few weeks ago ($1.3 mil worth, I am in my mid twenties in UK where it is far harder to get rich than USA as well). No regrets and sold based on the logic of halving cycle, general fear in overall market and the fact we'd just had a massive bull. I'm waiting for a year when I'm hoping to join the 21 club or higher based on pessimistic estimates with halvings. I don't see any convincing arguments why the halving cycle isn't going to be true this time and if I'm wrong and it shoots up a load more then that's not too bad as well since it means we'll have some more years of ridiculous gains. As always the people who will get fucked over are those who panic sell when it actually crashes and those who sold far too early. Even if you time it badly and just wait you will be ok, I have no doubt bitcoin will continue to succeed LONG TERM but the time to buy is when it's crashed, forgotten and everyone is saying it's dead not near the ATH after a massive bull run.

Head-End-5909

That may be ideal timing for jumping back in. Welcome back to the USA!

satoshi-station

That there one on amazon is chinese low quality junk. Probably easy to bend too, I have witnessed some "titanium" on amazon get bent with ease. Look at the customer pictures, they can't even have uniform sizes, but it says 100mm x 100mm. The TA2/GR2 they spec out is the chinese standard for grading. What Satoshi Station is selling, is a US product start to finish. Forged in the USA, rolled, and waterjet cut to blueprint specs which happen to be the same dimensions as a standard credit card, and 1mm thick. It's tolerances are +/- less than 1% and upon my precision measurement inspection, they are all dead nuts accurate. The US standard is ASTM B265. Furthermore, you have the option to pay in bitcoin at satoshistation. I sometimes wondered why very inexpensive deals, broke shortly after purchase, then a wise man once told me, you get what you pay for. 'MURICA!!!

DeeDzs

Basically all his points boil down to: I trust the USA government and I trust in fiat USD. Read everything on this page and this website. It'll take you a while. [https://www.lopp.net/bitcoin-information/getting-started.html](https://www.lopp.net/bitcoin-information/getting-started.html) If you are actually serious and want to learn buy some books as well. Bitcoin standard - [Saifedean Ammous](https://www.amazon.com/Saifedean-Ammous/e/B07CHGCFNH/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1) Broken money - Lyn Alden Moral money - Eric Sammons [https://aantonop.com/](https://aantonop.com/) \- everything this man says. check his you tube channel too. I would suggest an immediate 10% allocation. Study bitcoin for 100 hours, then think about it again. If you still like it add up to 50% allocation while still contributing to traditional investments. I'm 95% in Bitcoin.

originalrocket

Why is the markets down? Why is bitcoin down? WAR bitches! USA is going to war... again. Thanks president of peace magats! Groceries, magnents.... fucking retards.

Lord_Alamar

I know the studies you are referring to. Finland/Denmark are actually at the top of the list. I've spent significant amounts of time and have a lot of exposure to all three countries. The general population of America is much more intensely happy (as a direct result of much greater personal wealth, let's face it). What drags the USA down that list is the lack of safety net. The poor are *much* better taken care of in other developed nations, which greatly impacts the happiness index.

Spidi_Bomba

No, because USA is not the center of universe...

Critical-Chemist-860

As long as you dont live in the USA this is fine

namieorange

Will USA sell the pumpz? Considering it's their own fking gov shutdown ending??

markr9977

It's going to be another rescission when AI stocks crash. Sam Altman thinks we are going to bail out tech companies in order to save the economy because everyone's 401k is like 25% AI stocks now. Cash will go up in the short term because everyone is losing their jobs and selling assets for cash. Then after the USA prints a ton of cash and gives it to Sam Altman, he will spend the cash and bitcoin will go back up.

GettingFasterDude

Long term capital gains tax of 0% after 1 year is great. In USA it's 0%, 15% or 20% (depending on income) even after 1 year (up to 37% prior to one year; whatever your tax rate is). Regarding borrowing, I'm open to the idea, but skeptical. I agree with Michael Saylor, that the extent to which you borrow against your bitcoin, is the extent to which you risk losing your bitcoin. A LTV of <30% is probably okay, but even so, the less the better. Personally, I don't want to have to borrow from anyone in retirement, if I don't have to. That's true freedom. But I'm not there yet. I have at least 10-15 years to go.

Top_Sympathy_5675

Trump make everything expensive so they get less money from the USA. We bring demands up for our people in America. The tariffs is all from profits.

jorchjorch

I am buying in goldfishgold through the profits, a project in blockchain, backed in gold, USA compliance and you can have physical redemption. Interesting project.

Reasonable-Alps8577

USA?

Lord_Alamar

Not if the USA has anything to say about I. (They *do*)

Beneficial_Poet_7983

**Bitcoin** * Easier to store, no need to insure it. * Tight spreads * Volatility, if you want to trade it * No underlying asset. **Gold** * Expensive to store and insure * Wide spreads. * Tax free if a currency like UK Brittanias, or Sovereigns (this may not apply in the USA, etc) * Well it's Gold, it has uses in Jewellery and Electronics. **Both can be held in ETFs (which avoids storage/insurance and minimises spreads for gold).**

xansabar

SMT if tokenized stocks become available in the USA

Legitimate_Cry_5194

Aim for 40% if you want to be sure to not miss the bear market train. 50% to go for much better profits with a slight risk of missing the train. 60% drop, you really risk of missing it. 70% is highly unlikely, but it can end up with such a retracement, but only if something very huge happens in the world, pandemic, USA defaulting, Nato-Russia or Nato-China war etc. I'm aiming for a 50% drop. From ETH deduct 10% from BTC's targets. 60%, 70%, 80%. I strongly advise you to not invest in ETH at all though, only in BTC.

peep_squasher

Go Hacker Team USA

bitusher

> Your use of most implies majority. Would love to see what stats you used. I also used the word "and" which includes either gambling or drugs ... but even if we just included drugs alone stats reflect around 50% illegal drug use as marijuana was illegal up until recently in countries like the USA and still remains illegal in certain places of that country. These stats are also **under-represented** as they come from surveys where many people will not admit to illegal activity.

madmancryptokilla

Fucking China didn't want anything to do with crypto banned it..Now that USA has a shit ton of it they want in

Independent-Box-451

Lol . Almost all the crypto scams that go on through signal Facebook app. set up shop in hong kong. Talk about theft, not to mention china steals USA intellectual property. That thief doesn't even come close to this amount of bitcoin. If we stoled it we need to do better next time and steal, 50x more. Also, wouldn't believe a damn thing China says.

kwinten92

No time with the USA government shutdown?