USA

uncapchad

Borderless. Decentralised. I get their point about the "made in China" hardware, it's bleated about often on X. But the concentration of hash rate can change - we have seen this throughout Bitcoin's life. I'm not sure where this is all going to end tbh. Is there some plan/view for coins not claimed in the USA? I just feel overall that this concerted effort to treat Bitcoin as any other manufacturing process is going to break down. We see already these mining companies diversifying etc. I'm struggling for the term here but it's not just another commodity. Bitcoin belongs to the world, where a miner can be anywhere, using any type of equipment. Coins discovered can either enter circulation or be held by the miner. Or are they plotting to change this too?

CapableOne4026

Could you elaborate further? As someone out of the USA with no great knowledge of your history, for me it seemed like the economy bounced back and forth constantly, regardless of the political party. Both wings making stupid mistakes, and then adjustments. But again, this is quite literally a feeling from the outside with no facts to support this statement.

pcvcolin

USA still in stone age. Hasn't even passed Clarity. Congress is debating whether to emerge from caves

TheresNoSecondBest

>Same reason why USA still uses the imperial system, despite it being objectively inferior to the metric system. Metrics bring order. Imperials bring personality and make every DIY project an epic quest.

Well-I-suppose

A friend tried to convince me several years ago that bitcoin was the future. I told him that just because something is useful, doesn't mean people will adopt it. I pointed to Esperanto as an example. I told him that that language was supposed to be adopted worldwide and it makes more logical sense than English, Mandarin, Spanish, or any other language - but it simply never caught on, because people are stuck in their ways and don't like change. Same reason why USA still uses the imperial system, despite it being objectively inferior to the metric system. They don't want change. For years, I never bought it - not because I failed to see the value in cryptocurrency or the blockchain, but simply because I didn't believe that it would catch on. But eventually, I convinced myself that this is actually catching on, and that's when I bought in for FOMO reasons.

TheresNoSecondBest

>do you ever actually use it when you can Saving in Bitcoin is "using it" too. Anyway, here's how spending bitcoin IRL looks like: https://youtu.be/Tlhvnpi2ukA I'm "using Bitcoin" almost on a daily basis. Buying groceries, paying for meals, taxis, domains/hosting, VPN... Spend and replace is usually the name of the game so no, I'm not spending bitcoin while saving in cash. If you're thinking about spending some, here are my favorite directories: http://lightningnetworkstores.com/ https://btcmap.org - awesome map, you can even add your local vendors in, once you orangepill them. https://acceptlightning.com/list.html https://spend-sats.com/ https://spendabit.co/ https://directory.btcpayserver.org/ There's also an option of buying gift cards https://thebitcoincompany.com/ https://bitrefill.com https://www.egifter.com/buy-gift-cards-with-bitcoin - this one's least fave because they use a shitty custodian for payments but are handy for a few cards. Spend and earn some sats back: https://foldapp.com - save up to 20% Starbucks, Uber, Target , whole foods , Dunkin https://www.lolli.com – save up to 30% by spending BTC anywhere but primarily USA stores https://satsback.com/stores-list - save up to 20% by spending BTC anywhere but primarily Europe stores.

perth_girl-V

Lol you know all those programs they cancelled thats what gave the usa influence on the world stage. You knkw the alliances trumlh has blown up well thats pretty much dead to l. You now have USA first

perth_girl-V

If you think like that you want china running the world instead of the USA cause they will

franktrollip

He's against long running, pointless, expensive wars with little benefit. Before the next election we will have successively completed regime change in Iran. This is no different to his first term. He quickly wiped out ISIS (funny you don't seem to remember how bad they were). Then withdrew. Thank God he did so. Oil will be fine. The USA doesn't even buy oil on the markets you're quoting. They're self sufficient. The debt is an historic accumulation. I think he is more likely to slash it at some point, hopefully by draining the swamp. When he starts doing just that, you'll of course scream hysterically.

TheRadishBros

USA is gearing up for full scale invasion of Iran.

catchgretch

Maga-Republicans chuds love wars, pedophiles and bankrupting the USA. The same old story for decades. Then the Democrats always has to clean up the mess!!

TheDerpaSherpa

Those same Dems also are doing everything in their power to stop voter ID from be mandatory for voting. This goes completely against that logic. Also USA the only "democratic" country in the world that doesn't require voter ID...explain how that isn't corrupt af...

Spikel14

Yea so do we we get two hours paid time to vote in USA

oopssomething

USA preparing a full invasion, sounds like we will be seeing 40k soon afterall

Phantasizer

> It would definitely be very useful to understand how the economy can survive so well with such a stronger currency You’re spot on with your assessment, I think. Not only is it a small country, but it is surrounded by rich countries that are a lot larger (Germany, France, Italy). As an example let’s look at tourism: not that many people can afford to spend a couple of weeks skiing in the Swiss mountains, and France and Austria are a lot cheaper. But that’s no problem, because even if only a small percentage of Europeans can afford it, that’s enough for a country that’s like 10 times (or more) smaller. And the same goes for export items: our production is relatively small volume and mostly high end, so we don’t need to be very competitive in price, as long as the quality is good.  And there are historical reasons: Switzerland was the only country that was mostly intact after WWII, so we could export a lot of stuff to rebuild the rest of Europe, and this gave us a head start that we felt well into the 80s and 1990s still. And when it comes to the industrial sector, it is mostly high value stuff that is impossible to find elsewhere. I think a typical example is the ink that is used worldwide to print money (bank notes): it is produced by a relatively small company, but they have the expertise to produce something that is very hard to find elsewhere, I’m sure they have a high margin. There are many examples like this, but few examples like the Swatch brand, which produces cheap watches for a low price. I think they are still doing well, even though most people don’t really need to wear a watch nowadays. But it is probably an outlier in the grand scheme.  Also, our banking system was helped immensely by a legislation that allowed a lot of capital of doubtful (to put it mildly) provenance to be safely stored. But this is more or less over, and the banking sector has been downsizing ever since we were forced to collaborate with authorities from the USA and Europe. A lof of capital has been transferred elsewhere since then, and I don’t know how important this sector will be in another few decades. Right now it has been less than 30 years that the laws were changed, so there’s still a lot of “legacy customers”, and I think the private banks are still doing well. But we don’t have this advantage anymore, so maybe it’s only downhill from now on. 

Justreggie26

We have the same machines in USA usually near touristy areas

benjaminchodroff

The USA has laws that declared Bitcoin as a commodity (similar to gold and oil), not a stock. Spend and replace freely 

Automatic-Unit-8307

Because selling bitcoins is a taxable event. You have to sell bitcoins to buy burgers, so it’s a taxable event event. Bitcoin is to be stored and never used. It’s to build wealth, not to create a nightmare filing tax returns in USA and having IRS bankrupt you. Keep buying bitcoin and never use it

DR_Manhattan0x1

My vote for Trump was an easy one to make. I'm loving it given that it feels like the love of USA, patriotism is back. In due time the Administrations decisions will trickle down and be felt by all. Feels like we are back to common sense policies vs so many woke shit. The alternative was Kamala Harris. That was such a weak candidate. Couldn't phantom her crowning. She didn't deserve such position. Would of ruined America.

United-Depth4769

By "legal status immigrants" you mean illegal aliens with bogus asylum claims that crossed through 20 safe countries to illegally settle in the USA? Under Biden they were given court dates 15 years in the future. In the mean time they terrorize and destroy American communities. Have you heard of Laken Riley? Do you care? Please stop only consuming media from MSDNC.

anonuemus

Does it really matter what he says these days? It's bullshit and quite often the opposite he does. So in this case, the USA will not be a crypto superpower?

nickh93

Yes, but there aren't many born and raised in the USA who are British Nationals, but there are 3.9million in Hong Kong. (BN(o) - Overseas British Nationals. So you see, the clarification of the scammer being a Chinese National is relevant in the context of him being a resident of Hong Kong, but not being a British National; his crimes discussed here were commited in the UK. 👍

kring1

Oil is not as important as fertilizer. And spring doesn't wait for fertilizer being produced after the straight is controlled. > Once USA has control Russia showed us how efficient a super power can win war against a lesser enemy - or not. Assuming the USA will fair better in Iran is a bold assumption.

kisscardano

You should have voted for me, but unfortunately, I wasn’t born in the USA. Now that’s your problem. 😂

GoodNatured202

Everyone’s afraid of oil shortages causing economic collapse. Once USA has control over Hormuz economies will boom

sofakingawesome10

Shoulda voted for Kamala Harris implies the libtard…yikes that deserves to be made fun of, the left is objectively not only dumb wrong and jaded but you lot are so disconnected from reality that you can’t even have a serious conversation about anything, it’s like you lot have an inability to see how hypocritical, blatantly self serving, unapologetically politically motivated and plainly corrupt your party is and how they conduct themselves. It’s Laughable look at all the fraud Tim Walz is in bed with, or Gavin Newsome one of the most snake like snake politicians ever in history, he has so many hand in the cookie jars that he can’t even pretend to hide it anymore, the $20+ Billion that’s missing but was allocated for the homeless, proposals to have an audit conducted to account for where that money has gone and it gets voted on in past unanimously, however in the final hour, Newsome vetoes it not once multiple times he is getting in the way of financial transparency for our taxpayer dollars flat out, saying no you can’t look into that and then calls deflect projects and does anything he can to pull that attention away from where those taxpayer dollars are going because Helen Keller can see that it’s directly into his pocket and those are just a couple of the most recent and egregious examples the left and the right are riddled with corruption fraud and objective wrongdoing on the political arena yet all the left can do is go on the offense, name calling and when people like Nick Shirley come along and do something that is objectively positive he’s suddenly a racist bigot who has some sick interest in children when it’s obvious the rampant fraud he’s uncovering is legitimate very real and is happening everywhere politics in the USA have just been reduced to a circus act, propaganda and fake outrage smear campaigns constantly circling back to name-calling and slandering our president is so in productive yet the left doesn’t have the spine to acknowledge how far we fallen we need to strip it down to brass tacks and start over imo.

gsnurr3

Germany got Hitler. USA gets Trump. You can go back on these characters since the dawn of civilization too. History just repeating over and over. Nonetheless, shitty time to be an American.

diradder

At least they seem to sanction some of them... it's almost certain the exact same (at a worst scale) is happening in the USA, and all of them get away with it, and if they don't, the President himself pardon them for a bribe.

TheresNoSecondBest

>But a cold wallet is just bitcoin on paper too right? Wrong, mate. >You still need to get it to an exchange before you can use convert it to something that can be traded to something of value. Here's how spending bitcoin IRL looks like: https://youtu.be/Tlhvnpi2ukA I'm using Bitcoin almost on a daily basis. Buying groceries, paying for meals, taxis, domains/hosting, VPN... Spend and replace is usually the name of the game so no, I'm not spending bitcoin while saving in cash. If you're thinking about spending some, here are my favorite directories: http://lightningnetworkstores.com/ https://btcmap.org - awesome map, you can even add your local vendors in, once you orangepill them. https://acceptlightning.com/list.html https://spend-sats.com/ https://spendabit.co/ https://directory.btcpayserver.org/ There's also an option of buying gift cards https://thebitcoincompany.com/ https://bitrefill.com https://www.egifter.com/buy-gift-cards-with-bitcoin - this one's least fave because they use a shitty custodian for payments but are handy for a few cards. Spend and earn some sats back: https://foldapp.com - save up to 20% Starbucks, Uber, Target , whole foods , Dunkin https://www.lolli.com – save up to 30% by spending BTC anywhere but primarily USA stores https://satsback.com/stores-list - save up to 20% by spending BTC anywhere but primarily Europe stores. >Ironically, you are much more likely to lose a personally owned coin through scams, getting lost Congrats, you and Celsius Founder Alex Mashinsky thinks like this.

DankShibe

The high won’t double , but the drop will also be lower . Doesn’t matter if it is 6 months after ATH. Same thing happened on 2020 with Covid . Also many coins were at bottom or near bottom levels during the 2022 Ukraine war . The USA Iran war is the excuse for this cycle bottom . So the bottom is right now , or very near to it . It might go slightly lower during these 7 months but that’s it . 40k ain’t happening unless another black swan event happens.

CoffeeAlternative647

I suppose you're saying USA as "we". The good news is USA isn't that powerful anymore.

arcrenciel

? What are you talking about? Were wildcat banks required to hold $1 in cash equivalent for every dollar of currency they issued? They answer is no. I am advocating for something that has never been done before. Btw, the payment that lead me to start this thread is international. I'm based in Singapore, hence my reference to SGD. The merchant is based in the USA, hence their acceptance of USDC instead of xSGD.

SouthernPattern2828

With the IRS causing a taxable event every time you spend it in the USA will probably kill it in the USA except for Monero because they can't track it.

dopaminedune

Banks deal with currency issued by USA government. USDT is not issued by USA government. If they try to interfere with USDT by saying that it is under the jurisdiction of US government. Then they will just move the company out of US. You are right about the seat at the table. It was lobbied by banks who are breathing their last breath.

iterativ

The problem now, is that we have the means to destroy earth. Already doing it with the climate change. I am very worried with anyone having nukes. Iran, Russia, USA, China, it doesn't make a difference. And hey, let's not forget, so far, nukes against people (civilians to that) used 2 times. It wasn't Iran ...

mollila

>biggest economy and the biggest military In nominal GDP terms the USA remains clearly the biggest economy. However, if adjusting for Purchasing Power Parity (PPP), then China comes out ahead. And their economy is growing roughly double the rate of USA >When adjusted for the cost of living and local buying power, China is the largest economy, valued at over $43 trillion compared to the US’s $31.8 trillion. With military the US maintains a qualitative and global edge, while China has focused on massive regional quantitative growth.

S650kid

Polymarket doesnt KYC, doesn't collect ID or email, and uses anonymous crypto deposits. They can't enforce what you just said. Maybe the USA site is doing that ?

ElRiesgoSiempre_Vive

> once USA controls Kharg island its like holding a gun to their head basically So then destroy the island and Iran still controls Hormuz, without a gun to their head.

Prior_Parsley3960

This is, in all honesty, a massive conversation to have...so I will try and be as brief as possible (leaving out tons, obviously). I think BTC's (or any legit crypto asset) biggest strength is for those in bad situations around the world. \-Inflation hedge: I am not talking about USA'ers complaining about 10% inflation. I am talking about people with inflation in the hundreds/thousands of % that also lack access to other currencies because of their own governments/situations. For them, BTC, the US dollar, whatever are actually appreciating assets (vs their own currency). \-Risk of seizure ("all your base are belong to us" meme): self custody helps to alleviate the risk of your own government/those in power grabbing your stuff. \-Capital Controls (in places like China): capital is not allowed to flow freely in/out (lol at people calling for China to become the world's reserve currency based solely on this); people are then forced to "invest" locally (either in a stock market they do not trust or things like property, which helps create/perpetuates the bubble they are currently experiencing). \*Then there are the second order affects from those three things: difficult to start/run a business under hose circumstances (deal with other businesses/customers, etc...which then make it difficult for a society to grow and thrive. Of course there are tons of other benefits: stocks onchain, general settlement of transactions, verifiable ledger, transmission, lowering of fees for businesses (and, hopefully, consumers), etc., but these are all secondary IMO. Anything we use as a medium of exchange (shells, beads, beanie babies, US dollar, BTC, whatever) only has value because we all say it does/believe it does. As soon as we decide otherwise, it becomes worthless. \*this excludes things that actually provide utility/are of actual use So any comment against BTC/crypto that relies upon that can just as easily be used against most any other "money"/medium of exchange. ...this should cover its "use" and "recruiting new believers" attacks I don't hold companies failing against BTC/crypto anymore than I do banks/financial institutions failing against the dollar. These are two separate things and why I am in favor of rules and regulations (medicine/drugs, food, financial institutions, etc.) It's place/position, as it relates to other assets, is beyond most any single person's ability to define. It is for the market to define. If we could predict its price action (vs other assets, when events happen, etc), we would all be billionaires. BTC being first + the way it is setup/governed/controlled (or not) does make it "unique". It is for the market/people to decide how valuable that is/is not. There are tons of things to be worried about though: quantum, security budget, mining (expense and actual energy use), people's belief in it (or any medium of exchange), etc.

Bubbly_Chemist1496

well once USA controls Kharg island its like holding a gun to their head basically . it's not going to be a 'fair' negotiation. As for Strait of Hortmuz, a bunch of new countries have signed on to deal with it cuz they dont have a choice.

JustStopppingBye

>They are the biggest shareholder and about to become the biggest shareholder of the Evernorth. So they are very much invested in it.  Youre so naïve. Being the biggest shareholder in Evernorth isn’t the same thing as being bullish on XRP itself. It actually the opposite. SBI doesn't want direct exposure to XRP, they’re funding a separate company to hold and manage it instead. If XRP was such a no brainer asset, why not just hold billions of it directly? >Lol, because people are using Ethereum RIGHT NOW!! ARE YOU FREAKING DUMB? How many times did I tell you the CURRENT USAGE (memecoin trading) DOES NOT MATTER You can’t say “current usage doesn’t matter” while also claiming future volume will magically show up. Thats not how it works. The clarity act isnt some magic button that brings people knocking at your door lol >Hidden Road just got cleared to start using XRPL and they do use RLUSD. YAWN. We’ve heard the same “volume is coming” narrative for years. But its not integrated and theyre not going to XRPL in the next year. >The volume will increase by the 2nd half of this year n going forward. This just speculation and not based on anything factual. Basically every argument you have. >Let's see how that will be in 12 month n 24'month after Clarity passes.  Right, so XRPL is a “top chain” according to you, but suddenly we have to wait two more years to see any real growth? lol >$4 or $5 by 2027 will make me a super happy man. Tell me that's impossible. It's fine if Ethereum succeed. Even Solana, Avalanche.. etc. No one network will dominate EVERYTHING. Remember, we have VISA, MASTERCARD, AMEX, Discover...  Plenty of room for several players. Maybe XRPL will be more successful in Japan n Asia, Brazil, Africa.. than USA. The piecis big for several players More fantasy slop from you.

TumbleweedSalt2504

They are the biggest shareholder and about to become the biggest shareholder of the Evernorth. So they are very much invested in it.  Lol, because people are using Ethereum RIGHT NOW!! ARE YOU FREAKING DUMB? How many times did I tell you the CURRENT USAGE (memecoin trading) DOES NOT MATTER 🤦🤦🤦.  Hidden Road just got cleared to start using XRPL and they do use RLUSD. The volume will increase by the 2nd half of this year n going forward. Let's see how that will be in 12 month n 24'month after Clarity passes. It's all about the future. Not MEMECOINS which was pretty much the biggest business of crypto so far.  You dismiss every point you don't wanna touch and just want to attack a couple specific pts, huh? SHOWS YOU WHAT YOU REALLY ARE. A PAID SHILL. Enough of this. Go buy more Chainlink then n be happy w people who are Link maxies, lol.  I'm w you at least on that XRP will never ever reach $1000. (Probably not even $100 within 10 yrs).  $4 or $5 by 2027 will make me a super happy man. Tell me that's impossible. It's fine if Ethereum succeed. Even Solana, Avalanche.. etc. No one network will dominate EVERYTHING. Remember, we have VISA, MASTERCARD, AMEX, Discover...  Plenty of room for several players. Maybe XRPL will be more successful in Japan n Asia, Brazil, Africa.. than USA. The piecis big for several players

IndustrialPuppetTwo

Someone with better aim will try. At least here in the USA, for now, as opposed to Russia we can still protest in the streets without being arrested or killed as a norm.

shoecellar

Maybe. So is a job as vice president of the USA but if the interview never comes what’s it worth?

SirLSD25

The state? What if they don't live in the USA? There is more than one country.

Agreeable-Design-322

I never respond to messages, nor shall I ever do this again. But I will do it now because I honestly feel bad for you and just want to give you my insights. \#1 First of all, think about the liquidity of this whole market, is this money still in there? Is it taken out by profittakers and spendout? We've got forks (free coins) and news crypto that made out of "thin air", these project are real but where is the fundings for them? Theyve made new coins and most projects have took out money out of them leaving others with coins. If you add this to 34000 coins you'll understand that money isn't circulating anymore in crypto but the smart ones have cashed out already leaving a liquidity gap in crypto. Exchanges also only keeps a fractional reserve from all the depositors and spend out much more money. What is the result of this? A highly inflated bitcoin prices up to 100K. Ever wonder why the oldest coins still is highest in price while technology of other coins are superior? Why does all the coins follow the trend of bitcoin? Yes, actually because of the circulating liquidity. As long as there is a sentiment "bitcoin will go to 1Million dollars" there will be new cash en new liquidity. 2# This place is filled with experts and academic elites, who posseses more insights in analystics, statistics and knowledge and make consistent profits on the flow of money. Using shorttrade strategys which are superior to human intelligence. Trading bots, algorithms, AI.... They basically drain out new cash, while is it case why you deposit your investment goes down everything you buy and goes up everytime you sell... Reconize this? 3# That are some reason why there are many cycles in bitcoin like you see before with perpetual high selloffs more than in Regular stocks because of profittakers or exchanges are cyclous cashing or getting more liquidity. They have deep insights in orderbooks, history and patterns that basically regular investors dont have access to, they sell analystics and insights into their network of business, so these "whales" instutional money use this insights to profit on the average trader and buyer. As long as there are "hodlers" their profit and investment is safe. \#4 Please ask yourself, can it be that a coin without any real usage can reach 100.000$ for every coin? And can be crypto cashed out for 1.24Trillion? Does exchanges have this cash in their pocket? And about these "crypto hacks" do you really believe this? Those were people have insights and innercirle networks to liquidita the money and get out with the cash. While most big investors are interested in bitcoin is first. "Stuck wallet of satoshi" with 1.2 million coins and because it existed of 2008, this means a lot of lost keys and wallets. SO artificially driven up the prices and inflating the value of bitcoin. \#5 MY position? I short bitcoin, I expect it to again go down? Why? Simple because of the decline of the marginal increase, easily explained this means how higher the price of bitcoin, how more money or liquidity is needed for the samen gains over and over again which can't reach this height because of the need for more money. Which means lower highs and eventually higher drops down due to a market correction mechanism. So soon or later the price will be skyhigh and prices wont reach tops again, this crucial moment the sentiment will go down of the market, everybody will sell and exchange will go bankrupt because they cannot handle the takenout of moneys; a lot of people will lose value. The same in real life, if everybody today took their cash out of banks, the whole economy crashes. Now let me ask you this? If you bought from 90k down to 70K. That means you're 23% down, the same you could do if you short it and goes to 54.600$. And you have your original investment back. You take the retrace of rebound and your in profits. While keeping and holding your investment will only keep the market stable for those who've taken out their profits and money. This market needs holders so rich people can stabilise their profits. You and most people, if you ask yourself these questions, is this still realistically this crypto thing? These prices and money? If you check out on miners come 36% from USA and 30% Russia and china also 20% why? Because they have cheap energy and dont pay bills for it. In china it is only 0.01 kwh so basically free energy; They take out loans and mine all the bitcoins which they sell on the market. They're basically putting the market down and cashing out profits and money from investors. I'm not saying this is a scam, it's a real thing, only thing that's not real is the money thing behind this, it doent correlate anymore with real value. And when we hit that bottom and adjustments i'll be there to sell my shorts and buy in again with a long position. Suit yourself or ignore this. it's up to you :)

TheresNoSecondBest

I prefer spending bitcoin directly but if needed, use P2P places like BISQ, Robosats, HodlHodl, PeachBitcoin or Vexl to get fiat instead. Here's how spending bitcoin IRL looks like: https://youtu.be/Tlhvnpi2ukA I'm using Bitcoin almost on a daily basis. Buying groceries, paying for meals, taxis, domains/hosting, VPN... Spend and replace is usually the name of the game so no, I'm not spending bitcoin while saving in cash. If you're thinking about spending some, here are my favorite directories: http://lightningnetworkstores.com/ https://btcmap.org - awesome map, you can even add your local vendors in, once you orangepill them. https://acceptlightning.com/list.html https://spend-sats.com/ https://spendabit.co/ https://directory.btcpayserver.org/ There's also an option of buying gift cards https://thebitcoincompany.com/ https://bitrefill.com https://www.egifter.com/buy-gift-cards-with-bitcoin - this one's least fave because they use a shitty custodian for payments but are handy for a few cards. Spend and earn some sats back: https://foldapp.com - save up to 20% Starbucks, Uber, Target , whole foods , Dunkin https://www.lolli.com – save up to 30% by spending BTC anywhere but primarily USA stores https://satsback.com/stores-list - save up to 20% by spending BTC anywhere but primarily Europe stores.

DeadL

I'm confident I won't ever be hit with a wealth tax in USA and that I would gladly pay it if I were.

DeadL

Good thing I was talking about USA then!

DeadL

You’ll never be wealthy enough to worry about wealth taxes. Of the people in USA, only between 0.03%~0.0003% of people would be targeted by proposed wealth taxes.

Double-Equipment-191

I think crypto price will fall initially during the war times. And once things settle, USA might start selling via crypto and prices rises up.

olesolen

I hate corruption and that’s the fabric of USA

tornavec

Bitcoin decentralization is a fairy tale for children. BTC mining is only possible in China and the USA. If Republicans lose to Democrats, there will be nowhere to mine Bitcoin

THEBANNIMAN

Bitcoin’s been going up and down the last few weeks rapidly because of the bullshit between Iran and USA the Iranians are moving their money around from all these threats of air strikes as their economy being fucked over people are uncertain of how they’re gonna access money. That’s why there’s been a lot of things moving around

royalpyroz

I RAN away laughing.. Nice one. This can't be true, IS the op for REAL? USA!

Xiximaro

He can't do it... USA is dependent of Saudi Oil, if he does that it will dominoe effect to the oil

KinkyQuesadilla

~~Trump 48-Hour Iran Ultimatum Sends Futures Lower Monday~~ Trump 48-Hour Iran Ultimatum fucks every American investor over Monday because both Israel and Putin are blackmailing Trump, **and he will destroy the entirety of the USA to save his own ass**. Fixed it for you.

HVVHdotAGENCY

This is the USA. you can sue anyone, any time, for any reason.

Full-Sound-6269

At first it's red because of panic and risk off, later it will crash because tech stocks start going down due to inability to hit production rates and profits. USA started a countdown to market crash when they went after Iran.

Sardoodledome

Iran starts with high and impossible asks because USA and Israel are having the same impossible asks! If all wished for peace it will be done in 4 hours! Both sides want the conflict because Trump's friends are making crazy money!

ReMoGged

During conflict liquidity moves into usd and thus makes dollar stronger. Orange announced that there will be more chaos so more liquidity moved into dollar. This also brings btc down. To see some upward movement USA has to start their money printing machine.

awh52955

Digital USA dollar kills everything.  Walmart will never accept BTC. List goes on and on

infernal_celery

It’s having bills in fiat I guess. We don’t live in USA but financial firms trade in dollars all the time. Individual use in general is limited where we are, but the more we see of tradfi the more me and my business partners think “maybe a decentralised peer to peer currency would be a good thing”. 

olijake

Also for those in the USA, the 2nd amendment has provisions.

TheresNoSecondBest

Here's how spending bitcoin IRL looks like: https://youtu.be/Tlhvnpi2ukA I'm using Bitcoin almost on a daily basis. Buying groceries, paying for meals, taxis, domains/hosting, VPN... Spend and replace is usually the name of the game so no, I'm not spending bitcoin while saving in cash. If you're thinking about spending some, here are my favorite directories: http://lightningnetworkstores.com/ https://btcmap.org - awesome map, you can even add your local vendors in, once you orangepill them. https://acceptlightning.com/list.html https://spend-sats.com/ https://spendabit.co/ https://directory.btcpayserver.org/ There's also an option of buying gift cards https://thebitcoincompany.com/ https://bitrefill.com https://www.egifter.com/buy-gift-cards-with-bitcoin - this one's least fave because they use a shitty custodian for payments but are handy for a few cards. Spend and earn some sats back: https://foldapp.com - save up to 20% Starbucks, Uber, Target , whole foods , Dunkin https://www.lolli.com – save up to 30% by spending BTC anywhere but primarily USA stores https://satsback.com/stores-list - save up to 20% by spending BTC anywhere but primarily Europe stores.

Costanza_Travelling

Most interesting. I've been discussing post-war investments with Claude. Seeing how pre-war / mid-war investments are already (?) priced in and keep zigzagging thanks to the Orange Ballsack in USA: oil, fertiliser (ammonia, urea), helium, ... The next play would be post-war stocks (air-lines, rebuilding, oil fields..). And so, the conclusion is, once ceasefire is declared, gold would dip due to ppl hedging out, and BTC / Crypto would rise as people get back into more risky assets. This aligns well with the latest ramblings from the Orange Ballsack, about that strait getting opened up. The question is whether this is sustainable... or rather, if I can still buy BTC at a lower price. I don't know myself. Will be interesting to see how it goes!

OutlandishnessLimp25

I typically point people to River if residing in the USA (excluding New York and Nevada). They take security seriously and also provide proof of reserves. https://river.com/reserves Cold wallet is the way to go. There are many out there. I use Trezor and Ledger. Always buy directly from the manufacturer (not Best Buy or Amazon) for optimal security.

AmmonZeus

No,they said except USA, Israel and all their allies. That means they are closed for all the west world

whocaresreallythrow

I just can’t see how other coins get going and detract from bitcoin. There is an endless supply of coins no different than an endless supply of fiat. Plus if the web shuts down (like they turn off power in some countries)… then the coin is there but useless for transactions Just like a bank blocking your fiat account …. Maybe my perspective is USA centric where we have the global fiat currency by which all else is measured . Where our military is strong in the world so can defend our natural resources and take other weaker countries resources like oil or rare earths or even land as needed and so forth. I think bitcoin is good for anyone who live in countries where the rule of law is suspect. Where currency is weak. Where corruption is rampant and people don’t have faith in their local economy. Places like Nigeria. Sudan. Somalia. Etc … But I still don’t believe. Started messing with it at $100/coin and I play a little. Just to make money on the ride. But I still do not “believe” in it and will never trade my usd denominated stocks or gold or bonds in for btc …

extrastone

Forget other cryptocurrencies. What's interesting is bitcoin's status as a currency. [https://www.tradingview.com/markets/world-economy/indicators/money-supply-m2/](https://www.tradingview.com/markets/world-economy/indicators/money-supply-m2/) If bitcoin hit $1 million that would mean that the total market cap of bitcoin is $21 trillion. That would currently put it at just behind the USD M2 money supply of $22 trillion as the third largest currency in the world. Currently: 1. China $50T 2. USA $22T 3. EU $19T 4. Japan $8.4T Now it's clear that the market cap of these currencies will go up. Bitcoin might only be the fourth or fifth largest currency. Nonetheless it will not be boring and it will play a huge influence on the international stage.

mtnmahogany

I used to watch Max Keiser's show on RT regularly, back in the 2010's when he and Stacy broadcasted the show from London. Max predicted the success of the new blockchain technology, but I didn't pay too much attention. Over time, I began looking into it a little more. I visited at [bitcoin.org](http://bitcoin.org), and read the whitepaper (I have just enough technical and math knowledge that it did make some sense to me). --When the price of BTC rose to about 1K USD, I thought I was too late: I don't really have much money to invest, and I have never been in the stock market at all, so I was about to give up on the idea. Then in 2014 the debacle around the MtGox exchange happened, and Max Keiser pointed out that the problem was not with BTC itself, but with the exchange, and bad players who were attempting to "game the system." The price had dropped appreciably, down to about $500 USD and I saw my opportunity to get in. After struggling to find a reliable exchange that operated in the USA, I finally started an account with Coinbase and bought $100 worth of BTC. I also found out about the "HODL" philosophy by joining this very subreddit. I began reading and watching Andreas Antonopoulos, and learned about technical aspects. the importance of self-custody, and secure storage using a hardware wallet. I treated my BTC like a savings account rather than a trading scheme, and it has become the only savings plan that ever has been successful for me, even though the BTC price continued to drop for a while at the time, and I held on for a couple of years before I actually saw much in the way of gains. The lesson learned was that BTC truly resembles a hard asset like gold or other precious metals, but in a digital form.

SC2000c

Boris Johnson and Bitcoin Criticism of Bitcoin • ⁠Ponzi Scheme Allegations: Johnson has publicly criticized Bitcoin, calling it a "giant Ponzi scheme" in a Daily Mail column. He cited a story of an Oxfordshire resident who lost £20,000 after investing in Bitcoin, highlighting the risks and lack of intrinsic value and accountability in crypto investments. "Former UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson criticized Bitcoin in a Daily Mail column, calling it a 'giant Ponzi scheme.'" • ⁠Community Reactions: Some redditors agreed with his assessment, while others defended Bitcoin, emphasizing its decentralized and transparent nature. "For once he’s right !" vs. "Everything all the way back to Sumeria is a god damn Ponzi scheme dude." Involvement with Crypto • ⁠Donations and Fees: Johnson's office has received significant donations from crypto investors. For instance, he declared a £1 million donation from crypto investor Christopher Harborne. "Boris Johnson declared £1m donation from crypto investor in sign he won't be stepping back from politics" • ⁠Speaking Engagements: He has also been paid substantial fees for speaking about blockchain and crypto. One report mentioned a £250,000 payment for a blockchain speech. "Boris Johnson paid £250k for Blockchain speech & given £1m donation from crypto investor Christopher Harborne" Family's Crypto Connections • ⁠Brother's Role at Binance: Johnson's brother, Jo Johnson, was an adviser at Binance, a major cryptocurrency exchange, but stepped down amid concerns over the exchange. "Boris Johnson’s brother steps down as Binance adviser amid concerns over the exchange: Report" • ⁠Public Perception: This connection has led to some scrutiny and speculation, especially given Boris Johnson's public stance on crypto. "TIL Boris Johnson’s brother was a Binance adviser..." Political and Economic Impact • ⁠Regulatory Stance: There is a perception that politicians, including Johnson, might be influenced by financial incentives to go easy on crypto regulations. "Funny how they don't care about crypto regulation when there's money to be made..." • ⁠Market Interest: Some believe that political instability or socialist policies could drive more people towards Bitcoin as a safe haven. "Bitcoin will certainly rise in value if any socialist despot comes to power in the UK or the USA in the near future." Communities for Further Discussion • ⁠r/CryptoCurrency • ⁠r/Bitcoin • ⁠r/ukpolitics

droctagonau

Hey mate, this guy will absolutely go into crypto jargon mode and act like you don't know what you're talking about. There are 2 simple things you should ask to show your Grandma why this is a problem, and don't engage him on anything else. Ask both questions and then do some googling to verify. 1. Which crypto exchange is he recommending Grandma use? 2. Is that exchange registered under anti-money laundering (AML) laws in your country, as required by law? The let him know you're going to google it and don't let him interrupt. Q1 goes one of two ways. Either he wants your grandma to give him her money and he'll invest it for her (bye bye money), or he wants her to use a scam website that won't let her withdraw her money (bye bye money). If he wants your Grandma to give him her money, you better hope your Grandma is smart enough to realise why financial services providers need a license. It's so you know that if someone without a financial services license wants to "invest your money" for you, you're about to give your money to someone who is doing something illegal. You're about to get scammed. If he names an exchange, google "(exchange name) trust score". That will tell you if the website is a scam. Make sure you find the real web address for the exchange, in case he names a well-known exchange like Binance or Coinbase but gives her a scam web address. Make sure your grandma understands fake website scams and how to avoid. For Q2, you need to explain to Grandma that crypto exchanges, like banks, need to be registered under anti-money laundering (AML) laws in most developed countries, including the US and EU. If they're not, that's an illegal exchange that helps fund organised criminals and terrorists. I assume you're in the USA based on Grandma's "good Christian man" schtick, so you can check their registration with the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) at federal level, and their Money Transmitter License (MTL) at state level. By sticking to the simple process of "is this man breaking the law" and "is this website breaking the law", you can avoid engaging him on anything related to crypto, and return the discussion to the fact that this man is doing something illegal.

semanticweb

Yes. It is absolutely good for the web3 ecosystem as a whole. Especially clarity for startups based out of USA

The_Mean_Gus

Crypto success depends on a stable, growing USA. Thats all up in the air so it’s no surprise that people don’t feel confident in it.

Doctor_Fabian

I had problems withdrawing less then that in USA. They said the bank didn't have that kind of money for 1 week and that I have to wait . And in the meantime I will get a special call from the bank. Wtf

fairlyaveragetrader

I think it's worth knowing how well it's work, how to operate them safely, how the blockchain works, the information side of it. However, from an investment perspective today. If you self-custody you're making your life a lot harder when it comes to taxes. If you use ibit your broker tracks all your tax information. Super simple. If you use coinbase and stay on coinbase. They have your entries and your exits. If you self custody you have to track your purchase and the date, then when you sell you track your sale and the date. You're likely to get incorrect tax information from the exchange, plenty of us did. So, this is the drawback of self custody now that exchanges are sending out 1099 DA's. If you're outside the United States, this doesn't apply to you. In some countries self-custody I'm sure makes a lot more sense. Many of you guys in here are what I would call BTC collectors. The plan is to just buy a little bit more and there isn't really an exit strategy right now. If you're in the USA your life is exponentially easier to do that using ibit or fbtc. You don't have any trade fees and all of your entries are tracked. When you do go to sell it, it's very straightforward, no tax headaches. With self custody you have to secure your seed, track all of your purchases, the month, the dollar amount, if you don't mind doing the extra steps it definitely works. It's just more of a hassle

m1ngl3d1ngle

Nexo coin will explode. They just reentered USA and now this. 🚀🚀🚀

Remyleboo99

Can’t see that happening. Even with the strait blocked 70 seems the norm. Imagine what will happen when the war is declared “over”. By over I don’t mean really over but that’s all the market wants to hear. The only time I could see it dropping a lot is if Trump mentions boots on the ground or if there is a direct attack in the USA and if that happens I think it’ll be a short lived dump before getting to these levels again.

ilaibenamar

So the USA? It's in war since it was founded

homeless9uy

Bitcoin before institutions… fluid. After institutions… hyperbolic. The largest amount of whales are located where? The USA… all republican related organizations. “Shell companies”… yeah, how about putting your bitcoin into the hands of a larger corporation with mass amounts of extremely hard to audit trails of money. Let alone allow it to be on etf’s and 24 hour trading through multiple unregulated exchanges. IMO… it’s run by the elite right and the plan is to continue tanking the dollar… and then bring those funds back to the USA after foreign countries value has shrunken and we coerce them into take Pennie’s on the dollar in debt from us. Then BAM those digital assets are sent back into the funnel for the elites to prop the dollar up again. Let’s just see if their plan works… THE FOURTH TURNING. if you haven’t read it, then you don’t know what Steve bannon had already advised Trump on as a strategy. Makes chaos look pretty planned to me

Adventurous_Pie6362

I don't have any bitcoins but I'm looking at it because it's not doing what I would expect it to do right now. I'm looking at the Iran war, gold and oil prices, cos I think the USA is totally stuck, but the markets don't seem to think so. Gold seems to have priced it all in already. But bitcoins are actually picking up since the start of the war.

spXps

How is USA even a country bro... You don't have these laws already? Like what are you courts doing all those decades???

permalac

The stakehokders of the company own that. Is like the 10 richest in USA owning 3 trillion, that's a lot. Like almost 3 times all bitcoin combined. 

Routine_Fig_3829

I know some trusted people in bila tsverka who operate a crypto exchange there. My wife is Ukrainian and I visit with her sometimes, I’m In USA. I would be open to chat with you about it. There are a lot of scammers out there so be cautious and careful with everyone. And remember bitcoin transactions are irreversible.

razvanciuy

it's the local gov't that sets these requirements. They want to know everything. Mostly like this in the USA, gestapo banking is preferred so gov't can squeeze where it hurts when itt has some kind of beef with you.

OutlandishnessLimp25

If you’re in the USA (excluding New York and Nevada) I tell people to check out River. They have proof of reserves, great team who takes security seriously and Bitcoin only. https://river.com/reserves

uncapchad

Tether officially launched USA₮ (USAT), a federally regulated, dollar-backed stablecoin for the U.S. market, on January 27, 2026. Same company, new stable

MechAegis

At least in the USA. Its not the banks that want to know. Its the IRS. The teller doesn't give a shit what you're using the funds. IDK why in this situation the rep on the phone kept asking questions. The client stated they are using it for a motorbike. End of conversation. Rep should have just said thank you so much that is all I needed.

77sleeper

Foundry USA got it

Romanizer

Good for you. In that case, stock up on products out of Europe and the USA because they won't be delivered anymore. Regarding investments, nobody knows but gold will be sold first and companies will go bankrupt. Bitcoin will always be there.

dawgone63809

I’m in the USA

Emergency_Egg1281

Dude , tou have to ride your wave of success when you can. Good for him. Hope he makes bank. USA baby.

Entire_Part_2344

Ahh you know in full honesty there are hundreds of ways to off-ramp it, plenty off ppl willingly to do it etc. the comment is more on a joke side. I personally prefer crypto launderers overall but not Chinese because they do sloppy job lol, good Eu, USA based, sure you could say they take a lot at 10% but I feel best and safest that way, also have an income stream that is taxed etc, I better loose some of that money, but on paper etc, no one has questions for me and I can aquier anything I want easily

Nathanielsan

You had me at micro loans. Where do I buy puts on the future of USA youth finances?

tenor_tymir

What about Foundry USA? Whenever i check mempool.space it’s the Foundry guys that mine the most blocks… like for years on end. What do they do with the BTC and how rich are they?

rv8n8

Do what "everyone" does these days: AI. Example: *To keep your identity private while receiving funds, crypto is a solid move. Since you're both in the USA, I recommend using a* ***non-custodial wallet*** *like* ***Exodus*** *or* ***Trust Wallet****.* *Unlike CashApp, these apps don't display your legal name to the sender; they only see your* ***public wallet address*** *(a string of random letters and numbers). Have your friend buy* ***Litecoin (LTC)*** *or a* ***stablecoin (USDC)*** *on an exchange like Coinbase to minimize fees. He then sends it to your address. You can later swap it for USD or spend it privately.* *Should I explain how to* ***off-ramp*** *that crypto back into your bank account anonymously?* /s

KualaLJ

With this logic you could predict the next president of the USA will be Carrot Top.

LatinumGirlOnRisa

looks sketchy, it's not a written article about whatever "Shelby" is supposed to be. it goes directly to a very sus looking, cheap looking website. watch out, don't connect your wallet or interact with it in any way. also: registered in August 2015 updated in August is 2025 expires August of this year of 2026 registered in the Phoenix, Arizona USA metro area (specifically in Tempe, Arizona) phone number starts with an Arizona area code and the registrant is designated as "private." I don't know about you but I'd prefer to know who exactly is behind a project. at least the name of an organization or company that could be researched.

jlwapple

I just checked and don't see an option for a debit card. I'm in the USA.