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Suspicious-Holiday42

But btc is not USA made

carsonthecarsinogen

It’s the illusion of choice. In Canada there’s 5, USA much more, still an illusion. At least in recent years there’s a few other options but if I had a million dollars I don’t think I’d trust wealthsimple cash with it..

dmx442

Tinfoil hat on: this is regarded prediction, dont read it, it won't happen... >!1. Trump demolishes the US economy!< >!2. Fires jpow as soon as possible!< >!3. The New FED Boss is a trump croney and crashes the dollar!< >!4. Inflation absolutely soars in the USA!< >!5. People flock to BTC as safe Haven!<

jwz9904

"This is Biden’s Stock Market, not Trump’s. I didn’t take over until January 20th. Tariffs will soon start kicking in, and companies are starting to move into the USA in record numbers. Our Country will boom, but we have to get rid of the Biden “Overhang.” This will take a while, has NOTHING TO DO WITH TARIFFS, only that he left us with bad numbers, but when the boom begins, it will be like no other. BE PATIENT!!!"

dmx442

Orange man speed running USA to the ground is fucking hilarious. Shitcoins will not survive

nestiebein

Maybe you're right but factually USD value already dropped. Also, robos are incoming, replacing the factory workers, actually might be as cheap as workers from India and more reliable. I should bet on all companies who are going to provide the robos. And in systems which can verify the AI robo actions. It would be really handy. I think because of the incoming robos the factories will popup anywhere, more localized production. Also logistics are going to thrive and be full automated. I don't read any of those sources and I'm not from USA lol so don't take my shit serious. Just dreaming about what I think is logical.

DankShibe

USA is trying to prevent the war from happening so we might not get a crash after all.

MachinimaGothic

This is your "maybe" case. But its another good point in this game of reasoning. I understand that for them it will be easier to look for me, but also they know that i was last owner of said BTC. But it's more complicated. It's not like that person will get same 0.1BTC I think that those swaps doesn't work like you have to wait for person which swap same amount of BTC. I think it will be only fraction or mixed. Like in those famous mixers.  But I think it depends from case to case. If both sides are from same countries for example. If someone is from totalitarian USA maybe it's not recommended. You provided good reason to try use way to get BTC without KYC. In more hardcore countries. But it wouldn't be the case in many others. 

The_Cryptostan

Its' an interesting time for Bukule as not only driving BTC invesment but getting some perks from the currency USA government under Trump!

nestiebein

The decoupling happened because of the tariffs. It lead BTC to be a better option than USD because USD devalues quick in that scenario. Which makes the upcoming factory workers cheaper and products produced in USA cheaper for the world to buy. Trump is aiming to be a China 2.0 you need a cheaper doller for it.

No_Difficulty7633

Imagine a king (USA) has two sons (Fiat & Bitcoin). By tradition, the first son is destined to inherit the kingdom and its vast riches. He remains in the palace, supported by the king’s resources, and faces only minor threats to the kingdom—none severe enough to threaten its existence. Meanwhile, the second son, upon coming of age, ventures out into the world. He endures numerous battles, survives multiple attacks, and emerges victorious through sheer determination and skill, facing hardships that test his survival abilities. Now, the question is: If you needed someone to protect your life, who would you choose? I would bet on the second son (Bitcoin). His proven ability to survive intense battles and overcome significant challenges demonstrates greater resilience, combat experience, and adaptability compared to the first son, who has faced minimal threats in a sheltered environment.

diwalost

They are associated with USA government, that should be a bigger worry.

diwalost

But increases your share of pie if you increase your hash power. Anyway they want majority of the mining to be in USA because they don't want China to have even remotest possibility of controlling the network when USA holds Bitcoin as reserves.

pop-1988

> From US legal standpoint, it is a commodity Not true, just a common myth that so many of you cling to because your need for a solid definition makes you believe it has to fit some existing parameter in USA law. For you to avoid learning what it does and how it works, you choose to give it a label. Bitcoin is not a label

teclaroja

USA M2 stock is growing since Oct 2023. Check the FED chart [https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL) Also you can see that growth rate is accelerating (\~$100 B per month).

bizaroo933

Would be very nice if USA for once holds 95k instead of dumping it again

TheRadishBros

Honestly, it’s a bit of non-news— the Hong Kong ETF has been open for ages and only has 5k BTC. The USA ones are the only ETFs that matter.

nugymmer

I'm being downvoted so it must mean I'm right. Global M2 is indeed rising, but where is it going? It's going into gold for the most part, but because you can't buy gold from China if you're in the USA, that M2 liquidity is essentially catching the gold from Europe and the UK and the USA (and Australia), and South America/Africa. M2 > Gold and little else. Stocks have risen slightly but not enough to activate any real change in the market direction. Crypto has seen quite a relief rally so far. Will it be extended and will be see a resurgence of the bull run that was killed by the earlier sell off in January/February?

aaaanoon

See the results of promoting and accepting fantasy in USA

BrocoliAssassin

Because people are stupid. You had people simping for Tiffany Fong and she wanted a very lenient sentence for SBF cause "he didn't kill people so why should he get 25 years" & "my boyfriend wasted my time so does that mean he should be in prison too for 25 years?". These are the dumbshits that vote with this type of logic. The rest of the FTX crew got out with no problems, didn't have to pay the victims back,etc. Hell, most of them would have got real time if they had only stolen from 1 person. In the USA we usually give lenient sentences if you rob a lot of people. And also if you're rich .

xboox

That's funny! 30 years is the max possible. And why did the cretin live in the USA?

MundaneConsequence54

Yes, cause the US has low corporate taxes and relatively low taxes on higher earners. They also choose to privatize more things instead of having them publicly financed. The US is pretty bad example on everything from infrastructure to education to healthcare. I know the idiots in here think taxes are theft and infrastructure and education magically appears out of nowhere. Private industry builds things for the public good and not to extract profit, lol. Okay The USA can also still choose to tax you abroad even if you surrender your naturalization. It isn't as simple as some people say it is for people in the US. Barring Peurto Rico ofc. It is different for people living in other countries. I see someone saying they know three people that moved causes of taxes, but where are we talking about moving from and to? Was that there ONLY reason for moving? I am curious. Moving from the US to Mexico or moving from Finland to Poland may make sense for some people, but in practice its seldom just for lower taxes. It can make sense that some young single individuals would do it possibly JUST FOR A LOWER TAX RATE, but that seldom happens with families. It's just wish casting for 99% of people in here.

letsdrinktothat

This is incorrect. There is a $25 for transfers below $100, a $10 fee for transfers up to $5000, and no fee for transfers above $5000 to Nexo. This is not connected to your balance. There is no fee for Euro or GBP deposits above 100€/£, so I guess this is down to fees Nexo incurs from its banking partners - maybe they will get a better USD banking partner now they are back in the USA properly.

Bubbly_Ice3836

But that means we're barely breaking even. For a huge economy the size of the USA, to not be in profit, that's scary.

Ateam043

Watch people move to Georgia, USA thinking it’s the state and not the country.

datbackup

The country I live in has waaaay lower taxes than the USA yet the health care system, public transport and other infrastructure are waaaaay better and cheaper than the USA

CrimsonFox99

In the USA, no. In the eyes of the government, you are selling an asset and buying a new one. The "swap" action isn't relevant.

Tropicthunder07

OP i extend an olive branch because I'm also very very new to BTC. 1st... ALL of these people commenting like their opinions are to be followed like the word of God will disappear should you ever fall on hard times. Please do your own research, educate *yourself, and invest how you see fit. There's a laundry list of things to research: finding a trustworthy exchange, cold wallet storage device, physical storage of cold wallet, how to store your seed phrase, transfer fees, taxes whenever you transfer back to fiat and if we'll be under a Republican or Democratic pro/negative crypto party, etc, etc, etc. People say if you want to make money you need to follow the money. Forget about "whales" the gargantuan investors are investing in the Trillions: I'm talking National governments and financial Institutions; USA, China, Strategy, Black Rock, 21. Russia & China already using BTC to trade oil & gas. Historically any commodity that has reached the 3 trillion mark has never failed to last longterm. Don't use coinbase. I use River but others prefer Strike, Kracken, etc. Start investing $100/wk or just ape in and invest 1k out the gate and... just watch it. Watch it hourly, daily, for a *month. THIS IS A TORTURE TEST. If you can't survive one month without pulling out then BTC is not for you. It is the epitome of volatile. Its volatility is a gift to the average person because if it wasn't risky short term it'd be too easy and the rich would've already bought the supply out. Eventually you'll learn to understand the DCA daily cost average and to pay less attention. BTC is a longterm leap of faith, but if you follow the money, the gargantuan investors that don't lose are aping in by the Trillions. Sorry for the wall of text. With more time invested in educating yourself will come more comfort with your decisions. Good luck and have fun.

minomes

Taxes depend where you live. If it's USA then you want to make sure it's long term capital gains tax. That means selling after a year or more. I'd just do one big sale every year or quarter for cash to live off of. Easier for accounting.  If you actually want to do each tiny transaction with BTC instead of a normal bank account then i don't know 

Smooth_Pianist485

President can’t wreck bitcoin. If the USA sold every bitcoin it has and every other nation state followed suit, bitcoin would crash massively, and then blackrock would buy it all up. And it would be matter of time before it rose back to current levels and beyond.

Gold_Listen_3008

Obama wont be interested in fixing trumps destruction and fair enough, he did his part and had a solid 2 terms where the world could depend on the USA now you are trump in a mirror as he puts on his make up desperate to hide his inner ugliness its unlikely there is a fix trump has destroyed much of the USA self image too they know they are tolerating pedophiles and sex offenders, exalting their virtue in contrast to the complete lack of it whole world knows it, other dignitaries avoid him its clear

Gold_Listen_3008

there wont be and end to his 'term' he already knows he can just say "NO" and no one will insist he follow the 'rules' he will only have his reign ended by death he doesn't honor the constitution, so you do not have a country people of the corpse of the USA you are trumps chattels and your property can be just taken off you if he so desires, and you can be un-countried regardless of legal status on a revenge whim he wants you to turn on each other EVEN MORE I predict you will start shooting each other in his name...and take pride in the religious moment you all seem to either crave or need

SuleyGul

And yeh I can agree democrats we're also corrupt. All politics is to some degree. But this is a whole new level. They are acting exactly the way regimes like Putin do. If they don't get removed out of power in 2028 then I don't see a way back from this. History will remember it as the pivotal moment that began USA's steep decline.

Freedom_58

KYC in the USA. I use Gemini, along with Bitcoin. Most of my crypto is in several wallets.

EpicMichaelFreeman

That would be true if the USA had a delegated voting system, which it does not.

critiqueextension

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Get_the_nak

51% attacks don’t destroy the Bitcoin network though, it only rewrites a few blocks which makes a planned double spend possible. Basically USA of China would have to secretely aquire a massive amount of mining rigs, feed them with a number of nuclear power plants of electricity and start them all at once as a surprise, before developers implement counter measures. This is theoretically possible only. Expensive and impossible in practice.

krfc89

you are getting downvoted by trump haters but I think you are right, republicans and democrats are a one big corrupted team. Both are the same shit and USA people are just to fucking dumb to vote some third option, cronie overlords can just pay both teams and always get what they want.

satoshiwife

What news can you even trust? It was all over my feed 2 days back and now someone is saying it's fake? Also for more than 2 weeks I'm seeing "USA in talks with china" and "china denying any talks with USA" news daily

Budo00

I’m in USA and use a credit union.

satoshiwife

Everything is temporary but this daily news is permanent - USA in talks with china for tariffs deal - China denying any talks with USA

NoUsernameFound179

While you don't get "richer" by hogging all the assets, you can use value to keep extracting it from others. e.g. Renting out housing is both storing value in the house while simultaneously extracting value from people living there. People need a place to live (scarcity). People will either buy or rent a house. Buying a house means borrowing... With 5%, you double your BTC every 14 years. Pretty sure most people will take that. And the stockmarket is the stockmarket. It is the easiest way of value creation. If I own Apple, I get a piece of every phone you buy with BTC. That will never change, regardless of the monetary system. It is 2nd nature to a free world where you allow ownership. *But have you ever imagined the worst case?* 2050. The world is split into 3. USA and its few allies, Europe and it's allies and BRICS along with almost the whole of Africa, with its 4B consumers by then. USA has fully adopted the BTC standard. While BRICS keep their own fiat and blockchain based system. Europe being old fashioned, has been buying gold to keep up the Euro, with some BTC and $BRICS diversification. Trade war is on full. It's a cold war, where there is hardly any trade left between the 3 superpowers. China has just recently brought online a new 4GW mega-dam and 8 1GW Thorium reactors. They've already secretly created enough ASICs to outcompute the global pool with 60%. And then during one night... they take control of the block chain. Instantly, destroying all the trust that Bitcoin has gathered for almost half a century. Double spend, exclude or block transactions, impose new rules, ... Sending what was once the Western world into chaos in an instant. The world isn't a nice place, and we shouldn't be naive about the dangers. I think we don't even want Bitcoin to be the base of a monetary system. But leave it at what it is: a store of value limited in size. Alongside every other store of value.

Legitimate-Net-7744

Dude you have still a wrong mindset. Let's say you live in USA, and you are buying online a product from someone that is available only in Denmark with Euro. You go online and you pay with your credit card/paypall/ whatever. You pay in USD, they receive EUR. Have you "Sold" your USD to EUR to buy it in EUR? No, bank/paypal/whatever did conversion for you (technically you did sell usd, but you see my point? You dont think about it as selling.) Same with BTC. Initially you might do manual conversion- BTC to USD, to pay. But over time it will be digital. What i am saying, is that you "Pay" with BTC just using the amount you need. You use it as your main and only wallet to keep money. practically approach currently - get a fiat credit card (USD/EUR) and pay for stuff all the time only with CC. Once a month you withdraw BTC to payoff your CC to avoid interests. BTC is money.

NoUsernameFound179

This is such a naive comment. Math isn't hard if you think +×÷ & - is all that exists. 450T? You count everything, and there is your error. If you know the definition and workings of value, you can already subtract all real estate, gold, equities, art, collectibles, ... You can even create it out of basic things: Energy and source material. Which is what companies do, so basically the stockmarket. The moment you buy a house, that house gets added to your 450T pool. Regardless if you buy it in BTC or USD. That ex-owner buys the next house with your BTC, but that house, and gets added to the 450T pool too. Yet it was the same pile of BTC... BTC will probably never be larger then Gold. Backbones of countries should and will not be based on a system that can suddenly be outcompute by another country. China can probably do that if they wanted. USA if they needed. If it ever were to happen, it will instantly destroy trust in BTC and collapse it. The country backed with gold or trust in its fiat will come out on top. If e.g. BRICS will ever need to ruin the US this would be the way forward in 2060 according to your wet dream. The world just isn't as nice as we all wish. BTC will not replace the current existing stores of value. It will simply be an addition. Just remember this: that Bitcoin is worthless fake Internet money... Or the global backbone of the entire 3th millennium and beyond. But the simple truths are: It will probably be somewhere in between and nothing is as good as it sounds.

g_ha

Kucoin is stealing my assets by ignoring perfectly valid KYC redo after they got kicked out of USA, a pretend game in 12 emails back and forth they send differing lists of KYC requirements. Mine is fine, they have admitted that and yet no access granted.

DryMyBottom

the only thing saving the dollar is that the USA forced the world into using it with shitty colonialist politics 🫠

piratetone

This is inaccurate. The USA owns at least 200k Bitcoin, and we know that from just their own law enforcement agencies. https://www.wsj.com/finance/currencies/federal-government-bitcoin-5-billion-78ce0938 It's irrelevant that they have not reported it via the Bitcoin Reserve audit.

Remarkable-Ride8820

In many ways EUR is worse than the dollar. The ECB is fully committed to the scam. And unlike the USA, it can't back its value up with violence and commodities when push comes to shove.

stayyfr0styy

USA owns almost zero bitcoin. The Bitcoin reserve was established on March 6th, and it gave until April 8th for all government agencies to audit and disclose their Bitcoin holdings. None of them have done it and it’s been 2 weeks past the date. They all either lost, sold, or stole it.

HistorianOne4823

USA holds 207,189 BTC China holds 194,000 BTC do they compete over that? We dont know, but maybe.

Escapement_Watch

It depends on who the creator is Finding out who the creator is will change the world's mentality on the currency I'm not saying it's going to happen I'm saying it's possible That is the creator is not liked then the rest of the world will try to turn against BTC For example let's say it is Russian The USA and China will begin to distance themselves and maybe say let's start a new better crypto

prince_peepee_poopoo

In a situation like this, does anyone see a scenario where MSTR or IBIT counts towards the USA? Not like we've ever seized gold or anything.

fallout_creed

Yeah you make very good points but I just don't think it would kill bitcoin. The whole thing is so much bigger now than just a few years ago. Just alone the whole mining infrastructure behind it. A multi billion dollar industry is in place now with huge incentive to fight for bitcoin. It's not even crazy anymore to say that some governments, small and large, have bitcoins back. El Salvador and Bhutan for example are full-pro bitcoin and other huge ones like russia (energy trade), UAE (buying and mining) and USA (national reserve, potential buys coming) are currently starting to fully embrace it. "Big bad" heavily influental organisation "BlackRock" is now heavy in on bitcoin. Would they let it die or try to use the opportunity? And many regular bitcoiners who held through other bear markets also did their research. What would it change if satoshi sells? Would the maximum supply of 21 million change? No. Would the FIAT money printing stop? No. Fundamentals would not change.

ChefMaria_

local banks you say, and so let's just pick a few. I don't really trust any of them tbh. \- TD Bank (Canada/USA) In 2024, TD Bank faced a historic $3 billion settlement over systemic anti-money laundering failures. The bank admitted to neglecting its AML program for over a decade, facilitating transactions linked to human trafficking and fentanyl distribution. \- Capital One (USA) In 2025, Capital One was sued by the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau for allegedly misleading customers, resulting in $2 billion in losses. The lawsuit was later dropped. ​ \- Credit Suisse (Switzerland) Between 2015 and 2023, Credit Suisse was involved in multiple scandals, including the 1MDB corruption case, Mozambique's "tuna bonds" fraud, and the "Suisse Secrets" leak revealing accounts held by criminals and corrupt officials. ​ \- VBS Mutual Bank (South Africa) In 2018, VBS collapsed after executives looted nearly R2 billion. The scandal affected thousands of depositors, including municipalities and burial societies. # - Starling Bank (UK) In 2024, Starling Bank was fined £29 million for inadequate financial crime controls, particularly concerning pandemic-related bounce-back loans. ​ \- Metro Bank (UK) In 2024, Metro Bank was fined £16.7 million for failing to monitor over £51 billion in transactions, raising concerns about potential money laundering. ​ \- FCE Bank (UK, Ford Motor Finance) In 2025, FCE Bank set aside £61 million to address potential compensation claims related to car loan mis-selling, part of a broader industry issue involving undisclosed commissions. ​ \- Mizuho & MUFG (Japan) In 2025, scandals emerged involving rogue employees at Mizuho and MUFG banks who exploited access to safety deposit boxes, stealing billions of yen and undermining public trust. ​ \- Saxo Bank (Denmark) In 2025, Saxo Bank was fined €1.6 million by Dutch regulators for violations related to asset segregation and customer service deficiencies, stemming from its acquisition of BinckBank. ​ \- Commerzbank (Germany) In 2015, Commerzbank paid $1.45 billion in fines for violating U.S. sanctions and anti-money laundering laws. Subsequent investigations revealed further compliance failures. ​ \- Heartland Tri-State Bank (USA) In 2024, CEO Shan Hanes embezzled $47 million from customer accounts, investing in a fraudulent cryptocurrency scheme. He was sentenced to 24 years in prison, and the FBI recovered funds for affected shareholders.

satoshivisionary

Trump's meeting with Nexo pretty much signals following OKX's return to the USA

No-Dream2014

Where can you purchase $pep ?Wherever I go it tries to show me Pepecoin ( I'm pretty sure these are different) I'm a novice at the meme coin world but I would love to get some $pep also I'm in the USA , I know there are different sites , wallets, etc it is just confusing when you try to go purchase something ! Thanks in advance 😊

stickybond009

https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate U.S. Death Rate 1960-2025 - Macrotrends: U.S. death rate for 2022 was 9.80, a 5.77% decline from 2021. U.S. death rate for 2021 was 10.40, a 1.27...

inter71

BTC mining rewards are taxable in the USA as “Other Income.”

ktaktb

2024: USA partnering with EU, Japan, Canada, Mexico, South Korea 2025: USA partnering with El Salvador,  Russia, and memecoins.

oroechimaru

El Salvador, come for the crypto, stay for the prison experience. If that doesn’t work go to USA for a free nft airline ticket to El Salvador.

SuleyGul

Yes I understand all of that. You still need enough interest for other people to buy your ETH and my argument is the interest is not there. The economy of the USA is already on track for a recession so demand will fall even further in the coming months so your idea of a $20k or even $10k eth price is pure fantasy and hopium in my opinion but as I said happy to be proven wrong. I'm certainly not holding spot positions hoping for that though. I was happy enough buying spot eth around $1k and selling at $3.5k average. But good luck to you. Hope I'm wrong. Honestly.

shitcanfly

If there was no clown in charge of the USA. Then sure I would be pumped

RequiemTwilight

And like…maybe not lived to enjoy that money. The sodium content alone is in the top 5% per serving of food in the USA.

FrequencyCoin

I’m in the USA. Isn’t peer to peer risky when it’s in the thousands of dollars?

Ok-Mango5075

I agree. I am outside US so I can use Wallet of Satoshi. They need to get licensed for the USA. They must be working on it, surely?

Numerous_Ruin_4947

And you know this how? The USA has to pay interest on the national debt. The dollar has devalued consistently since 1913. It might even accelerate. ETH is a scarce asset. It's actually more scarce on exchanges than BTC - in dollar terms. By a factor of 7. ETH is a store of value.

thudufushi

Here we go. Huge answer though and I'm ready for bed. It's not been easy holding... it comes with certain stresses and challenges. I sold a bit for a holiday in the USA when it was 700 dollars and in thought I was rich then! Lol

Days_End

I mean the USA has been trying to weaken the USD for over a decade now. It just keeps failing especially as Europe always manages to do so much worse than expected.

skydiveguy

I had bought at many different (rising) prices over the years…. I just sold some to pay off my mortgage last year and I had it listed out as best as I could. I had what was the best starting value as I could come up with and knew the selling price… minus one from the other, that’s my cap gain based on FIFO. What made it easier was it was all long term. If you’re in the USA you’ll also need to make estimated payments if you sell early enough in the year or you get fined (stupid bullshit rule) and also don’t forget that if you earn enough from your investments you will also have to pay “net investment income tax” The whole thing is a fucking mess. I’m just glad my goal of selling some to pay off the house is done and that the taxes are paid and done.

CardioTranquility

Where can a USA citizen buy it?

Common_Consideration

He did not say they plan to de-escalate. He said he expects USA and China to de-escalate because it's unsustainable.

road22

The USA had a great party over last 50+ years with free money printing. Now the party is over, and it is going to be one hell of a hangover.

TopPhoto2357

Hmmm I don't know, the USA doesn't import everything but I get the point 

siasl_kopika

\> Nothing will perform like 2020 again, reason is USA doesn't inject money into economy in quantities like in 2020 and we shouldn't wish for them to start doing it again, it will destroy middle class completely. If they did it again it would actually help the middle class. Because it would drive the dollar to zero and force people to stop using the dollar. It would be the renaissance we dream of, the end of the biggest slave system in all of human history.

SiliconFiction

The downfall of the USA.

Astrochimp46

It too little too late. As long as Citizens United stands in the USA, nothing will change. Citizens United is when our democracy died.

JivanP

In most jurisdictions, this tax treatment holds for *any* investment asset that is subject to capital gains taxes, be it real estate or stocks, art or jewellery. Do your due diligence if you're holding a significant investment position. Since it sounds like you're in the USA, you should make yourself aware of the standard deductions and brackets/rates that apply to you. Let an accountant (or cryptoasset accounting service, like Koinly) do the rest for you. It's worth the money (about $100 to $200) to consult an advisor if you feel like you're lost in the weeds, because tax planning is important.

JivanP

> How do we know which Bitcoin is the one I’m selling? You don't; they're fungible. Each tax authority imposes its own rules about how to assess the acquisition value of the quantity being disposed/sold. Most use weighted average. The USA is unusual in that it permits the use of LIFO and FIFO as well. Consult an accountant in your area.

Full-Sound-6269

Nothing will perform like 2020 again, reason is USA doesn't inject money into economy in quantities like in 2020 and we shouldn't wish for them to start doing it again, it will destroy middle class completely.

Get_the_nak

It is not a sprint, it’s a marathon. It could take years for production to increase (building factories etc) in the USA. Quite a balancing act.

LegendaryJohnny

Everybody has to see efects already and damage right now is irreversible. Not just monetary but on trust level USA is just Russia v2.0 now.

stormywoofer

The USA is crumbling. This is a decade long downturn mostly for USA.

JuCaDemon

Most probably it's already the largest, China it's been the only country that it's on green numbers with the world Bank, and China retilating again trump's tarrifs has brought USA economy into a giant turmoilmiddle class in China is bigger than the whole USA population, and urban population in China is 3x Bigger than USA. They are responsible for multiple mega projects in a big number of developing countries while USA has ehmmmm Apple (that uses TSMC for its chips production)

Get_the_nak

If USD value decreases 1% compared to a basket of other currencies, USA National debt decreases $362 billion in real value

Get_the_nak

If USD value decreases 1% compared to a basket of other currencies, USA National debt decreases $362 billion in real value

nassauboy9

At the least I would not want to be in USA stocks maybe no stocks or USA currency. I was a gold guy. Still have some but realized the extra benefits BTC offered back when it all began. There is a lot aligned to cause a disbeliever to desire to take the time to think things through and understand BTC to a level where they least see the hope of capital preservation. However most won't.

iamjustaguy

It takes decades, but it can happen. Already, there are trades going on in other currencies. Saudi Arabia is now open to trading their oil for other currencies, thus signaling the beginning of the end of the petro dollar. Our world is becoming multipolar at an increasing rate, and investing in the USA is becoming difficult. I'm watching a bond selloff as we speak, so it appears that the dollar losing reserve status sooner, rather than later, is becoming more and more possible every day. I've been studying the collapse of empires and institutions for a while now. It almost always starts off gradually, then suddenly everything happens all at once. The USA has been eroding its credibility on the world stage for quite a while now. Nixon took the dollar off the gold standard so he could print money to pay for the Vietnam War, and we've been sliding into a debt spiral ever since. It wont be long now.

CoffeeAlternative647

I buy Bitcoin @ r/strikebtc and store them at r/TREZOR. If you are from EU country and you want lump sum that quantity at your first buy, I'd advise you to warn the support first in order to do not get blocked. EU's regulation suck ass and Strike's FIAT partner (Bank) may put a red flag on you once its the first buy. If you're from USA, I'm sure someone else can advise you better. Good luck.

Analog_AI

You are correct. But one of those transaction could encompass all USA-China trade for example

2LostFlamingos

The USA was able to weaponize its status as a reserve currency since there were no alternatives. Dollars will remain important but it’ll no longer be possible to kick others out of international trade simply by blocking their dollars.

AiDudex

Both worked in combination most countries are currently turning on their money printers again, which means for us as citizens that we get less for our fiat money, so not everything is getting more expensive, you just get less for your dollars. If fiat money floads the market BTC will always grow. If you are looking for a relatively safe and stable fiat currency, i would go with swiss france. But the dollar is losing power - that is as certain as the amen in the church. All countries are currently reorganizing and restructuring themselves. In the short term, the dollar and the USA will benefit again, but in the long term it will be very damaging because the whole world will be restructured in 5 - 10 years and therefore less dependent on the USA.

dmx442

USA in full blow monetary crisis was not on my bingo list for 2025. BTC might have a runner year after all

originalrocket

Bloomberg news on Friday and Saturday. EU cut rates. China prepping for more, plus additional trading with India and Europe to take up the slack from USA stupidity. USA bailing out farmers already. More to come! Just look at gold spot price.

Acceptable-Take20

*BREAKING*: Fed Reserve is dropping interest rates 50 basis points, China trade deal has been secured, and the Feds are purchasing 250k bitcoins a year for the next 5 years into a USA sovereign wealth fund.

Asafromapple

Does the law and constitution still work in the USA?

crimeo

And Napoleon ruled France as an empire just 200 years ago, completely different organization and governance, and feudal kings ruled it shortly before that. Also completely different. Both had dramatic changes in government so what? Both countries, USA and modern parliamentary France, are in fact very young

Y0l0BallsDeep

Global M2 blah blah blah... No correlation with the US stock market at all. Must be my imagination 🤡🤡🤡💩 Oh, guess what else correlates with the M2 money supply. The stock market, yes. And who prints all this money? The Federal Reserve. So it all comes back to which country Fucktard? Yes, USA. LOL

Amber_Sam

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Decisionspersonal

Yup, everyone we would ship stuff for work way easier to get stuff into the USA than it was to get our stuff to another country. I personally had to learn about VAT taxes.

fu_paddy

\> a shitcoin rugs, proceeds to dump even post-rug \> dumps even more after unlock Very educational, thank you. A shitcoin is a shitcoin no matter if launched by 0x3ethRugMaster on X(formerly twitter), the president of USA or Argentina, or the hawk tuah girl, or the Pope himself. Everyone who's been in crypto for more than 3 months knows that, and you need to bear in mind that most of the people who flooded this sub when Trump won have been in crypto for less than 3 hours. Stop trying to prove them wrong or to educate them. No better teacher than the humble rugpull, especially when it comes from high-profile figures. Corporate rugpulls are even better.