AAVE

Spare-Dingo-531

AAVE is the biggest and one of the oldest defi protocol on Ethereum. It has 26 billion dollars locked in its smart contract. You can take out loans or get yield on stablecoins, and this is all done algorithmically. It's permissionless lending just like bitcoin is permissionless transacting. AAVE has begun launching a consumer app for the general public. Grayscale is also trying to launch an AAVE ETF so wall street can buy the token.

Spare-Dingo-531

Bro.... AAVE, the largest lending protocol on Ethereum is literally launching a consumer app. People from 3rd world countries use stablecoins to save in US dollars. Come on man!

trdtr500

What's your AAVE buy-in price?

Zllimpat

BGD Labs leaving AAVE. End of an era: https://x.com/bgdlabs/status/2024827200793387465?s=46

jlwapple

What do you think is in AAVE & other DEFI'S future?

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jlwapple

I'm all in on AAVE atm.

alxkwl

Buy and supply on AAVE and borrow USDT against it at 40% LTV to keep interest balanced and liquidation event below $1k. Use this to DCA down more if it keeps dropping, or to diversify your holdings.

alxkwl

I love the platform. Buy eth, supply on AAVE, borrow USDT at 40% LTV while prices are low and the interest cancels out, buy BTC. HODL. Wait for previous ATH and unload.

BitchScizzors

What do you think about AAVE?

alxkwl

Just took out $100K HELOC, yolo'd on ETH at $1800, supplied to AAVE, borrowed USDC at 50% LTV, bought Bitcoin at 65k.

Knocking_Doors

Which alts are you betting on? SOL, link, AAVE, AVAX, SUI, XRP on the list?

Piddler509

Looking for AAVE and TAO to at least triple over next 3-5 years. That’s my play!!

Piddler509

I need 3 more months of lows then 2 nice bonus checks which I will be loading up!! BTC, ETH, TAO and AAVE!! That’s my current portfolio and expecting TAO and AAVE to at least triple over the next 5 years?? Maybe… Anyways, been through a couple of these cycles now and I sold a bunch when we had the dip in October. Glad I did but still up a bit and looking forward to hopefully getting these on sale the next 3-6 months. Just hope the cycles continue as they have!!

jlwapple

True. I'm paying attention to BTC, XMR, AAVE & ETH. What about you?

anotherfroggyevening

Any thought on UNI, AAVE?

Elean0rZ

To the extent they're all tokens on one or other chain, in what way are stables *not* "blockchain-based assets"? They don't have their own dedicated chain but in that respect they're no different from e.g. LINK, AAVE, etc.

swimcrypto

It is also the horizontal integration. There maybe price feed competitors (Pyth, Redstone, etc.) or CCIP competitors (Wormhole, Layer Zero, etc). or Deco competitors (Reclaim, TLS notary, etc.), or Proof of Reserve (Pyth, Band, etc.) ... you can do this for each of their products, but the general theme is that each of their competitors is focused on just one sector for which chainlink is the standard. No one is competing across the whole suite of products that is necessary for institutions, enterprises, or even large web3 native applications to build and scale for mass adoption. This means no one can compete with their higher level products like CRE and ACE which incorporate many of their products working together to address regulatory, compliance, devX, and UX needs. Additionally it builds stronger relationships as teams incorporate more and products, gain further trust in the team, and leads to increase likelihood of adoption of future products. For example aave originally incorporated chainlink price feeds. This was honestly the major competitive advantage that lead to them leapfrogging compound in weeks. As compound had to build a new oracle in house each time they wanted to list a new asset and compound could out source that work to chainlink. This lead to aave being among the first to adopt products like CCIP, collaborating on initiatives like SVR, and more recently integrating NAV feeds and ACE to support institutional initiatives. Long term relationships with prominent protocols increase compound on themselves Additionally it establishes network effects both internally and externally. Internally if you are already using one chainlink product it becomes that much easier to use them for your next product. Communications remain efficient, and interactions between various components are easier to understand and diagnose when there are issues. Externally it also has benefits when integrating with other applications. For example if we consider a situation where aave is considering listing a CDP stable coin which uses DIA for its price feeds and layerzero for its bridge, it invites more risk then one that uses is Chainlink and ccip. Finally it strategically heavily incentivizes chainlink integration over competitor integration. Consider a new ecosystem with moderate momentum at launch. Likely they will want large protocols like aave, gmx, etc. to deploy on the network. Those protocols are reliant on chainlink though and will not deploy without chainlink support. These highly desireable partners act as leverage for chainlink. They can demand exclusivity and/or canonical status. Even if they don't Ecosystems are incentivized to just integrate chainlink across the board as it is more efficient then paying for chainlink price feeds and CCIP to satisfy AAVE and then also pay for Redstone and wormhole integrations. For institutional adoption these is all just amplified 10x. It would require something catastrophic for a competitor to take a way significant market share at this point

tianavitoli

your loan is always going to be overcollateralized, full stop. if the value of your collateral goes up, nothing happens. it's functionally the same as a home equity line of credit. you can borrow up to the limits they allow based on the value of your collateral. point of order, they're probably not going to give you a loan to value that's better than something like AAVE (or whatever other defi lending platforms are out there)

DracoSoul96

But does AAVE like you back, that's the big question

jlwapple

I still like AAVE

biba8163

**Real World Financial Products** - **Checking accounts** - for everyday daily activities for paying bills, debit cards, ATMs - **Savings accounts** - for storing money that is GUARANTEED by the government for up to $250K - **Certificates of Deposits** - GUARANTEED fixed interest. - **IRA** - Tax advantaged or 100% tax free (Roth) retirement accounts - **Brokerage accounts** - Access to investment products including stocks, bonds, REITS (Real Estate Investment Trusts) - **Personal Loans, Home Loans, Mortgages, Home Equity Loans, etc** - **Home Owners Insurance, Auto Insurance, Life Insurance, etc** - **Small Business Loans, Commercial Loans** **DEFI - Bullshit scam narrative from the Summer of 2020** - Essentially a Shitcoin Casino. Leveraged plays, trading shitcoin tokens, earning yield on shitcoin tokens by providing liquidity on shitcoin tokens which all drop 70%-99% when BTC goes into a bear market. NOT FINANCE in ANY WAY - Every player like, MakerDAO, AAVE, LINK etc, is COMPLETELY CENTRALIZED - There are NO real life financial products like life, home, health insurance, mortgages, home equity loans, car loans, personal loans without massive collateral, commercial loans, etc. Again, shitcoin trading, yield farming, etc. NOT FINANCE in ANY WAY - Then you slap some scamified metrics like TVL based on scam tokens locked up to make gullible fools believe real capital is locked up instead of vaporware scam tokens. Innovation is just crypto hype to sell you a bunch of shitcoins that make the founders and VC rich. The Use Cases are that are being adopted are clear: - Store of value = BTC - Payments, transfers, remittances = Stablecoins - Rails for Stablecoins = Ethereum, Tron, Solana, ETH L2s, etc. - Privacy *(Very little wide level public interest but honorable mention here)* There has been little innovation of anything that can provide real world value and adoption outside BTC. - Stablecoins were the result of the Omni Layer created on top of Bitcoin that allowed custom token ownership and transfer in the network which allowed for the creation of ICOs and the launch of Tether on the Bitcoin network. Other networks like Ethereum and Tron now provide the rails for Stablecoins instead of BTC which functions as a decentralized store of value. Smart Contracts have NOT proven to provide any type of real world value except for trading, leveraging, gambling, lending and yield farming shitcoins on DeFi casinos.

uthillygooth

DCA into majors and I cut every single non-chain protocol this morning. I’m looking at you AAVE, LINK, etc.. I want to see the light leave your eyes as you go. (I might miss some additional gains but I’m over the stress of these bozos.)

biba8163

~1 Year Ago: - BTC Maxis were giving Trump a handjob because he was creating a Bitcoin Strategic Reserve - ETH Maxis were tickling Trump's balls because the Trump Crime Family had created WLFI DEFI lol and were buying ETH, AAVE, etc with money from scamming people selling $TRUMP and WLFI tokens - XRP Lunatics happily had their noses up Trump's ass tossing his salad because he was firing Gary Gensler and the SEC would no longer be "persecuting" scammers like Ripple

biba8163

> $TRUMP Coin is going to deliver an education to people who missed out enrolling at Trump University. **(Jan.18, 2025)** https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1i3uktp/daily_crypto_discussion_january_18_2025_gmt0/m7uhtzf > Reminder: **(Feb, 2025)** > - The Trumps have not put any of their money in crypto. They are collecting money including ETH, USDT, USDC, etc by selling WLFI tokens and also memecoins > - Donald Trump has bankrupted 6 casinos and now has made Ethereum his casino > - $WLFI is run Chase Herro Zachary Folkman who previously ranDough Finance a fork of AAVE that was hacked for $1.8M in July 2024 and went bankrupt. https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1ikp5qf/trumpbacked_world_liberty_financial_is_loading_up/mbogi7e/ **Education isn't cheap!** > just bought some trump. watched it go from $30 to $40 so fast. then bought some on the way down. https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1i4l3ol/daily_crypto_discussion_january_19_2025_gmt0/m7xflwn/?context=3 > $TRUMP to $100 https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1iporry/daily_crypto_discussion_february_15_2025_gmt0/mcv0pfn/ > All aboard the $TRUMP train https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1iporry/daily_crypto_discussion_february_15_2025_gmt0/mcx4t06/ > It’s good to know this community hates $TRUMP coin. Always inverse this sub is the golden rule. Trump to the moon 🚀🚀🚀 https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1iporry/daily_crypto_discussion_february_15_2025_gmt0/mcxyl1g > I told my sister I bought some $TRUMP yesterday. she wanted me to buy some for her too. so i just did. https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1i4l3ol/daily_crypto_discussion_january_19_2025_gmt0/m812na6/ > It’s the perfect currency. $TRUMP could be used for many applications like buying a Tesla if Elon pushes for it. https://np.reddit.com/r/OfficialTrumpCoin/comments/1iait25/since_this_is_a_memecoin/m9aia6n/

RamoneBolivarSanchez

Looks like you don’t understand how either work then. For Ethereum, it’s literally a decentralized computation layer for anyone in the world to use (ie anyone can choose to borrow or lend money on AAVE). This is easy to understand and there are far more examples. Look at how people in sanctioned locations - or with failing currency - can use stablecoins as safe liquidity. For Bitcoin it’s more of an experimental question regarding SoV and inflation, but there’s a pretty simple, albeit less interesting use case there. I would argue that just because you subjectively don’t use crypto for these reasons doesn’t mean others aren’t. Maybe think about how these systems benefit others rather than what you personally think is missing.

Coquito3000

yes sure and im sure that normies want this type of solutions. back in 2014 people had problems and ethereum came to solve this problems exactly? let me tell you how much normies care about stablecoins uniswap coinswap scamswap AAVE or all that shit. When I started investing in ethereum crypto kitties started as one of the first games that took down the chain. Gods unchained was hyped as a proof of concept. Everything you mentioned is worthless and to me its proof that ethereum is stuck in crypto babble and not in solving real world problems. But worse, the ethereum foundation is busy creating this project that after 10 years fails to ship a realistic proof of concept. So I hate to say it. But you make the arguments for the crypto skeptics for them. And you make me even more skeptical that this has a future and notice I start from a position of accumulating 818 ETH and staking them until recently. You are arguing from a position of line goes up but nothing about real adoption. "I've heard a lot of people are using them". Do you have any metrics? And worse, do you have anything proving that they need crypto to swap all the chuck e cheeses coins? Because that s all that you are offering here.

MadCake92

I have, discarded it due to major concerns about regulatory scrutiny by tax agencies, but I am Europoor. YMMV in other places where offramping crypto is not linked with drugs, terrorism and tax evasion. In case you wanted to know, the path I considered was depositing in AAVE and borrowing in EURC. Mostly because centralised lenders charge around 5-10% of interest on the loan, compared with AAVE that currently stands at 2-3% for an EURC loan.

epic_trader

> Im not only disappointed that ETH is down. Im more disappointed that ETH failed to deliver on its promises to create decentralized applications. Decentralized communications would be wonderful in repressive regimes like Iran right now. Decentralized social media would be great in a world where FB X and youtube are manipulated to give you the algorithm of their CEOs. But ETH has failed to produce a single useful application. All it has shown so far is NFTs, DeFi, and crypto babble. It's insane to see these kind of claims when it's so well documented and well known by *everyone* that there are tons of successful decentralized applications on Ethereum. But if you thought Ethereum was supposed to host Facebook or YouTube, you seriously misunderstood something. Any kind of logic that lives in a smart contract is a decentralized application. That means ERC20 tokens are dapps, stablecoins are dapps, uniswap and cowswap are dapps, AAVE is a dapp. Have you heard about those?

Shichroron

Saving account interest is a joke. You probably want to benchmark against money market funds (3.5-3.8% if i am not mistaken) You can get USDC and lend it on AAVE. That will give about the same level with the lowest on chain risk.

ADHD-Developer

If you think about it, just look at ETH versus ADA. Charles Hoskinson talks nonstop about governance, “real” decentralization, academic papers, proof of stake, privacy chains… all the buzzwords you can imagine. Supposedly all about real-world use, yet the network TVL is basically nonexistent. Vitalik, on the other hand, is like “I don’t care, I’ll fix problems as they come.” The focus is simply on building and letting real usage grow. And what sits on top of Ethereum? AAVE and Chainlink, billions of dollars in TVL and the largest blockchain oracle out there. So honestly, who’s actually winning here?

mastrgamr

Strike, Coinbase, AAVE, Morpho. All options to borrow

HoffyToTheMoon

You're gonna tell me tokens like AAVE, Uniswap, Arbitrum, Chain link, etc... will have no utility in the future? What do you think all of this is leading to? We just keep dumping our money into a machine that spits out losses for the sake of gambling?

uthillygooth

Come for the yield , Leave because of the extraction. You can’t out-trade the relatively thin liquidity. Market Makers control more price action than most think. Reading up on AAVE’s on-going equity ownership issues would be helpful to understand a lot of the issues versus traditional stocks.

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Advorce

Just one example.... I even had a $10 dustbag of LEND(former AAVE) turn into 4k at the lows of 2021 at the top of my head and i bottom sold that bag for the $4K lmao (after doing the 100:1 migration)

MountainGrape6816

Just dumped losers ADA, DOT, ALGO, AAVE, ATOM, MANA. Needed some long term (since 2021) writeoffs for 2025 tax purposes to offset other gains. I held these way too long, because there was a lot of "don't be a paper-hands" bullying going on. Still holding POL/MATIC, LINK, AVAX, for now. These seem to still have at least some activity. They'll go in case i need more writeoffs in 2026, or if they make any kind of a comeback. But to be honest i don't have much interest in Alts any more. Anything i do, like ZCASH, will be relatively short term and I'll be quick to take profits and cut losses. I don't need any more skeletons in the closet

Fickle-Big5722

ETH + BTC should be core. Then look at maybe SOL, AAVE, SKY, HYPE

Firm_Benefit9517

so a couple of things i believe you should update on your post: | The amount is not huge - $10m, roughly one ninth of total Aave fees. Still, the principle matters. AAVE token holders do not benefit if fees accrue anywhere outside the DAO treasury. \- ESTIMATED 10M. until now was \~1M w/ paraswap.  | Other large holders abstained. And realistically, why would they vote against the founder? He is responsible for their gains and has the most skin in the game. \- they ABSTAINED mainly bc they wanted to repeat the vote... and looking at mz twitter they are going to do so. as the only outcome they will accept is YAE... | Days before the vote, he spent roughly $12M buying AAVE. I took a look at etherscan and snapshot.. those token weren't used to vote? | The vote happened, and Stani voted against the initiative, carrying about 33% of the voting power.  Was 33 at the beginning ,.looking at snapshot now it's 18.5% **IMHO what we should really be discussing**: The fee's the DAO were receiving never appeared on a proposal, and was just given by aavelabs voluntarily AFAIK? and posts from MZ and ezequiel seems to confirm that... ... SO why aci didn't propose to formalise these fees? being them the biggest voice for the aave holders? I mean I trust(ed) them a lot and I though this was already formalised on a proposal, not that was given voluntarily..... that's fuck up, and this should have been addressed at some point on the last 12 months at least! and not wait until aavelabs change it.. bc again aavelabs is a private company, if no agreement is in place they can do whatever they want... and I don't agree with this change, it should have been discussed first IMHO with the DAO AND don't get me wrong, bdg and aci have been extremely important for the protocol, but lately I'm seeing the same pattern of lying and lying trying to poison the narrative and create an animosity towards aave labs... ... and it's just harmful for the protocol..... what **we don't really need is some bullshit politicians trump-style around tbh,** and it's what I'm seeing lately. However the rhetoric "aavelabs steals funds that belong to the DAO"... has a better ring right? BUT under this circumstances is not a true statement. I mean on aci are not fucking stupid so I guess this scenario was exactly what they wanted? more rhetoric to attack aavelabs as we have seeing the past 18 months or so? that is why they didn't make any proposal for the dao to vote about the fee? .... i mean or it's this, or blatantly incompetency, and if they as the biggest voice for the aave holders can't even do a proposal to formalise the fees the dao were receiving, how are we going to trust them with IP/assets? cmon.. So the DAO itself, let me remind you, can't hold any assets. instead of doing a temp check **(bc I think it is is a legitimate discussion we need to have**) they put a half baked proposal.. if YAE was success wdyt would have happen? Another service provider (bdg or aci) would "need" take over those assets until a dao-managed-vehicle is created? as there is no such thing even proposed yet this is blatantly using the dao as a weapon to try to take over assets from a private company to another company?... wtf

ObviousEconomist

AAVE didn't kill it, just exposed it for what it is.

iOCharts_

beyond btc and eth, the projects i see most often in serious long-term portfolios are SOL, LINK, AR, OP, ATOM, AVAX, AAVE and MKR. they aren’t risk-free, but they solve real problems and already have users

TrevBTC36

You have $200, do it and forget about that money for 4 or 5 years if you already have a cold storage wallet. If not, the first thing you do is buy a cold storage wallet. Another possibility is to invest in digital mining at GoMining. I'll leave you my referral code: k8JhE. You'll get a 5% cashback when you create your first miner. But if you're here and at such a young age, you're already well ahead. You have an opportunity with Bitcoin. Bitcoin seems easy, but nobody who has held for more than 4 years has lost money. It's easy and the hardest thing at the same time. Why? People lose against their own judgment because of impatience or unfounded panic. But observe and learn. I would buy $100 spot and cold storage or AAVE, and another $100 for digital mining. That way you have something safe and stored: the asset and the machine that generates the asset, the miner.

Hooftly

This is because a lot of builders are building for greed and extraction. Take Lending for example. Everyone praises AAVE but they literally function by extracting from borrowers through liquidations while feeding MEV and THIS is the gold standard? Nah its gotta change or yes we did just build Tradfi in a fucking hoodie. Im building in this space for the right reasons and if you are too I want to talk yo you. It is not too late.

Initial_Alfalfa243

BTC&ETH 70% AAVE, UNISWAP and CHAINLINK 30% The future is the blockchain. This 5 will outperform all the cryptos

piggleii

Immaculate Mary, thy praises we sing; Who reignest in splendor with Jesus our King. AAVE, AAVE, AAVE, Maria! AAVE, AAVE, Maria!

trdtr500

Why's AAVE plummeting

Sagar_Sage

Invest in BTC , ETH , SOL , TAO , BNB , AAVE , SUI

ZhenyaV

which altseason in 2024 are you talking? BTC, memecoins and a couple of hyped VC tokens? Protocols that actually make money UNI, MORPHO, AAVE didn't even reached previous ath while continuously developing and innovating in the last 3 years, locking record amount of users and TVL.

RatherCynical

When rates are sub-2%, and QE is happening, everyone is forced to take significant risks to not lose to inflation. 5% on a yield-farm or AAVE? Billions and billions get poured into DeFi. That raises the TVL of every protocol and every chain. That liquidity trickles into the riskiest, stupidest things possible, including very dumb NFTs. This cycle, there's no sub-2% rates with QE. We had 4%+ with QT. In this kind of environment, you need something known as "convexity" to do well. Convexity means a small change -> a large change. For example: PENDLE did plenty well, from like 5 cents to 7 bucks. Why? Because it converted small changes in yield to big changes in profit. ROLLBIT did plenty well, from like 0.2 cents to 20 cents. Why? Because you can gamble on futures using it. INJ did plenty well, from like 1 dollar to about 40 bucks. Why? Because you can gamble on futures using Helix. RAY did plenty well. Why? Because you can 100x your money by buying memes. The pattern is that anything that provides leverage survives in the high-rates world, but normal alts die. If you want to see a normal altseason again, wait for low rates + QE again.

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tldr; The US SEC has concluded a four-year investigation into the decentralized finance platform Aave without recommending enforcement action, according to a letter shared by Aave CEO Stani Kulechov. This marks a positive development for Aave and reflects a broader trend of the SEC softening its stance on crypto-related cases, as seen with other companies like Gemini and Ripple. Following the news, the price of Aave's token (AAVE) rose by over 3%, signaling market optimism. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

MinimalGravitas

> The idea of de-fi was noble. However the need to use the de-fi products required an economy willing to accept it. Uniswap has more trading volume than any centralized exchange. More USD (in the form of stablecoins) is transferred over Ethereum than through Visa. AAVE has an annual revenue of about $110M. DeFi is doing fine.

biba8163

> DeFi is overcollateralized loans and liquidity and it's not pretending to be anything else It's literally called Decentralized Finance but - It's not decentralized - It has not real world financial products that people need and use every day So it is 100% pretending to be something it is not. > You can use DeFi to play with "shitcoins" if you want, but that's not its main use. Look at the volume on AAVE, it's mostly stable coins or ETH/BTC derived tokens. Wait wait, I thought you said it was DECENTRLIZED FINANCE! Lending/borrowing ETH/BTC derived tokens is not finance in any way. Only children living at home with their parents who have never had to get insurance, a mortgage, a home equity loan, etc will think this is finance. > And complaining about acronyms? DeFi isn't decentralized and it isn't finance isn't a complaint. It's a fact. > Any community gets tired of spelling things out and invents its own terms, you're really grasping at straws. The community is grasping for straws trying to come up with and reframe a completely misleading use case narrative . Lending/Borrowing ETH/BTC/ALTs/Stablecoins isn't finance in any way. It's casino games.

discipleofvitalik

i use defi every day, it is NOT a scam. over collateralized loans are an amazing tool if you have collateral. many defi tools (see defisaver) such as uniswap and liquity are completely decentralized. others such as AAVE have hybird governance models that are also novel and interesting. prediction markets pros and cons are debatable but also interesting. the biggest use case of L1 native assets (ETH and BTC) is as a SoV, itself revolutionizing and democratizing global finance. stable coins and liquid staking are also interesting. proof of identity is interesting. AI accessing finance in a permissionless manner is interesting. yes there are scams, but it's not all one big scam and there is no reason to discount the whole technology as you have

Advanced-Comment-293

DeFi is overcollateralized loans and liquidity and it's not pretending to be anything else. Everything else you wrote "shitcoins" "scams" is useless exaggeration. What makes DeFi awesome? For example I can loan out USD stable coins and get interest on that without any banks or any government involved. I can withdraw my balance at any time, I get the interest in real time and all this is guaranteed not through some person or institution but through open source code and an always online perfectly transparent and secure computer. If you don't think that's mind blowing then you probably don't understand what it means. You can use DeFi to play with "shitcoins" if you want, but that's not its main use. Look at the volume on AAVE, it's mostly stable coins or ETH/BTC derived tokens. And complaining about acronyms? Any community gets tired of spelling things out and invents its own terms, you're really grasping at straws.

biba8163

> DeFi is a bullshit scam narrative from the Summer of 2020. It's NOT decentralized and it's NOT finance. > - It's a Shitcoin Casino. Leveraged plays, trading shitcoin tokens, earning yield on shitcoin tokens, providing liquidity on shitcoin tokens. NOT FINANCE > - Every player like, MakerDAO, AAVE, LINK etc, is COMPLETELY CENTRALIZED > - There are **no life financial products like life, home, health insurance, mortgages, home equity loans, car loans, personal loans without massive collateral, commercial loans, etc.** Again, shitcoin trading, yield farming, etc is NOT FINANCE. > - Then you slap some scam metrics like TVL based on scam tokens locked up to make gullible fools believe real capital is locked up instead of vaporware scam tokens. > These crypto projects have no utility, no use case so they make up fictional words like DeFi, TVL, Web3 and all kinds of buzzwords that crypto bros think is a real thing. It's essentially casino trading, casino yield and casino overcollaterized loans.

uthillygooth

The use-case tokens doesn’t accrue value to the token or user. Just the protocol itself. At least AAVE has 5% staking al a dividends

NYSDiscExchange

No blow off top = the game is still on. I am buying up alts any time ETH is below $3,000. I still fully believe there is going to be an alt season before the cycle is done and until I am seeing a $1000 AAVE I am not leaving.

Morningrise22

Aside from the obvious two HBAR, DOVU (big time) AAVE, LINK You're welcome

MinimalGravitas

I always favour DeFi rather than trusting an exchange, and have used AAVE for years and years to take out futures positions in the way you have laid out (lend what you think will do better, borrow what you think will do badly etc). However, it's also worth considering other ways to take short (or long) positions that are available in DeFi, most obviously Perpetuals and Options. I have no idea what chain(s) you use so probably not helpful to give specific app recommendations, but you can find data on just about all the possible choices in the relevant category pages on DeFi Llama: * https://defillama.com/protocols/options * https://defillama.com/protocols/derivatives

Phine420

AAVE.com

theweb3voyager

Buy memes. Lose money, lose your parents trust. Easy. Or just start with the basics, earn USDC yield on AAVE or Spark.

Shaman_ETH_Strategy

We don't use AAVE we have our own lending vault without liquidations! We use our large treasury to demand our own debt terms. So far we have close to 4m in our debt product we want to scale it up to 15-20m.

Dormage

Onchain implies transprency. Are you sure you want that target painted on your back? If leverage is ussed I assume AAVE with ETH as collateral? What is the exposure you think you can safely take on?

Sandharbor

No thanks! I stick to AAVE, SKY and SYRUP 

Flashy-Butterfly6310

Why not both? Put your BTC as collateral on AAVE, lend ETH, swap for rETH. You're done.

andys811

Risky af but if you really can't afford to loose it but don't want to loose exposure you could either sell and then buy back with half the money on 2x perps (I wouldn't advise but it's a thing you could do to keep exposure but it risks you loosing literally everything from liquidation, the other option is lending assets on protocol like AAVE and borrowing stablecoins against them. Cashout stablecoins and then try repay the borrowed stablecoins as soon as possible (still risky, opens you up to liquidation still and depegging events can also mess you up, also smart contract risks as usual with crypto on-chain, if you were to do this please for the love of God keep the LTV as low as humanly possible and pay it off as quickly as you can) Honestly I wouldn't recommend either. Both could lead to even more of a disaster, but it could be an option potentially. Selling at a loss might be the way to go, just only sell what you need to have just enough to make it to next paycheck/whatever will fix your money problems

Overall-Law-3020

Personally: TAO, LINK, HBAR, SUI, SOL and AAVE.

biba8163

> muh DeFi!!! **Real World Financial Products** - **Checking accounts** - for everyday daily activities for paying bills, debit cards, ATMs - **Savings accounts** - for storing money that is GUARANTEED by the government for up to $250K - **Certificates of Deposits** - GUARANTEED fixed interest. - **IRA** - Tax advantaged or 100% tax free (Roth) retirement accounts - **Brokerage accounts** - Access to investment products including stocks, bonds, REITS (Real Estate Investment Trusts) - **Personal Loans, Home Loans, Mortgages, Home Equity Loans, etc** - **Home Owners Insurance, Auto Insurance, Life Insurance, etc** - **Small Business Loans, Commercial Loans** **DEFI - Bullshit scam narrative from the Summer of 2020** - Essentially a Shitcoin Casino. Leveraged plays, trading shitcoin tokens, earning yield on shitcoin tokens by providing liquidity on shitcoin tokens which all drop 70%-99% when BTC goes into a bear market. NOT FINANCE in ANY WAY - Every player like, MakerDAO, AAVE, LINK etc, is COMPLETELY CENTRALIZED - There are NO real life financial products like life, home, health insurance, mortgages, home equity loans, car loans, personal loans without massive collateral, commercial loans, etc. Again, shitcoin trading, yield farming, etc. NOT FINANCE in ANY WAY - Then you slap some scamified metrics like TVL based on scam tokens locked up to make gullible fools believe real capital is locked up instead of vaporware scam tokens.

biba8163

Education for 10-year old kids who still live with their parents and have yet to grow up needing to get a mortgage, insurance and other real world financial products. **Banks** - **Checking accounts** - for everyday daily activities for paying bills, debit cards, ATMs - **Savings accounts** - for storing money that is guaranteed by the government for up to $250K - **Certificates of Deposits** - GUARANTEED fixed interest. - **IRA** - Tax advantaged or 100% tax free (Roth) retirement accounts - **Brokerage accounts** - Access to investment products including stocks, bonds, REITS (Real Estate Investment Trusts) - **Home Loans, Mortgages, Home Equity Loans** - **Home Owners Insurance** - **Auto Insurance** - **Life Insurance** - **Auto Loans** - **Personal Loans** - **Small Business Loans** - **Commercial Loans** **DEFI** Bullshit scam narrative from the Summer of 2020 - Essentially a Shitcoin Casino. Leveraged plays, trading shitcoin tokens, earning yield on shitcoin tokens by providing liquidity on shitcoin tokens which all drop 70%-99% when BTC goes into a bear market. NOT FINANCE in ANY WAY - Every player like, MakerDAO, AAVE, LINK etc, is COMPLETELY CENTRALIZED - There are NO real life financial products like life, home, health insurance, mortgages, home equity loans, car loans, personal loans without massive collateral, commercial loans, etc. Again, shitcoin trading, yield farming, etc. NOT FINANCE in ANY WAY - Then you slap some scamified metrics like TVL based on scam tokens locked up to make gullible fools believe real capital is locked up instead of vaporware scam tokens.

Sandharbor

Never hear anyone talk about AAVE or other similar defi projects. It’s almost like they’re one of the few alts serving a real purpose and have a use case. Some of them rake in fee volumes larger than most layer ones, are fully or almost fully afloat, and have burn mechanisms on top of it. Established defi protocols are probably the most overlooked opportunity in crypto. 

DeaderthanZed

Hydration is at $155m TVL and dropping: https://defillama.com/chain/hydration Very fake looking spike to $500m must have been some kind of airdropping farming. Bifrost is somewhere around the 200th biggest protocol by TVL. Small potatoes. AAVE has $31 billion. And yeah I’m sure coretime is very cheap because there is low demand for it.

Spare-Dingo-531

I think the next altcoin portfolio looks like a pasta. I really like a good spagetti, with some garlic bread on the side, and sprinkled with some a good does of parsley. So Ethereum can be the pasta, Solana can be the garlic bread, and AAVE can be the parsley. ;)

theweb3voyager

Use it as colateral on AAVE or any other lending protocol

MinimalGravitas

> What apps are using ETH? Broadly you can divide Ethereum apps into two categories: * Mainstream adoption of Ethereum (e.g. companies like Deutsche Bank, Shopify, Sony etc: https://ethereumadoption.com/built-on-ethereum/ * DeFi applications (e.g. onchain dApps like AAVE, Uniswap and Curve): https://defillama.com/chain/ethereum Those two sites have links to lots of the main projects running on Ethereum, but they don't include probably the biggest current use case by value - stablecoins. Visa have a dashboard tracking that: https://visaonchainanalytics.com/supply Then obviously there are huge applications that run on Ethereum but don't quite fit under the 'DeFi' umbrella, such as public goods funding (such as 'Gitcoin' - https://impact.gitcoin.co/). And of course all the pointless 'memecoins' and NFTs etc that are probably not worth considering as 'apps'!

Sandharbor

Crypto stocks have outperformed most alts and BTC itself by a long shot since last cycle. I almost say research and play some of those stocks when they correct over majority of alts.  However, relating to crypto the chains raking in most fees are ETH, SOL, with a lot of layer 2’s doing so too. One of them being Base which ironically benefits COIN stock.  Other things taking in most fees are Defi; UNI, AAVE, SKY, AERO, upcoming project called SYRUP is interesting too.  If I have to pick four that you haven’t mentioned I’m probably going SOL, AAVE, SKY, and COIN stock. Of course timing or DCA into good entries is on you. 

No_Command_2651

What defy platform? Do I have to convert it to WBTC? I ust Koinly and am not hiding anything from the IRS. My research says that converting to WBTC would create a taxable event. I once took out a loan against ETH on AAVE and got liquidated earlier this year. I'm a little gun shy.

Sandharbor

I don’t per se. I came in 2020 and did really good through 21 outperformed BTC unquestionably by multiples with alts and sold most of my stuff before the market crashed still did roll some over.  Came back in 22-24 loaded up and sold throughout 25’. However this cycle was a bit interesting for me. I had high conviction in SOL during the bear, made out really good on that, of course had my BTC, ETH, and AAVE in there too with Sol those four made over 50% of my portfolio. Pretty much all my other alts underperformed BTC big time, and many just bled.  This excludes playing in the shitcoin market with smaller position sizes on Sol and Base where I made out really good, got rugged, rolled big multipliers over, etc.  I think I’m only alive cause I know risk management, allocation, and diversification that carried over from other markets.  Early bull until 25’ I outperformed BTC again but during 25 I know I underperformed it, making me question playing with alts next time around. Almost all the top 100 from last cycle bled or underperformed big time too. If I hadn’t had SOL just that one position I know I woulda underperformed.  This does exclude some crypto stock related plays which are the only other known things that really outperformed BTC itself.  Going forward might be BTC, a few select alts, and crypto stocks. However will need a price correction even further to get interested in loading too much more. 

Jenn2895

Chainlink & Ethereum. Then a little bit on Ondo, AAVE, Avax &/or Aster

Sandharbor

AAVE just launched a $50m year buyback and burn  BNB does buy back burn with a percentage of profits  SYRUP in talks about it  HYPE does not 100% sure how they do it, but they have a low total circulating supply 

Sandharbor

I like RWA too cause the whole premise of Crypto was a monetary and financial overhaul.  What I see the biggest RWA doing something would be exchanges by listing tokenized stocks BNB and Bitget who also tokenized them.  The chains they’re on ETH, SOL, BNB, and ARB. Three are already popular and ARB seems like it has low speculative interest even though they do a lot and have a lot of partnerships.  ONDO actually tokenizing many stocks and partnered with balckrock, but tokenomics sucks. 1.8B tokens unlock in Jan and again next Jan so in a little over a year you’ll have more than 3.6B tokens unlocked.  AAVE primarily a defi play is also a RWA play, and partnered with Maple(SYRUP) but I don’t see clear evidence of actual usage of Maple, doesn’t mean it’s not there just something I can’t easily verify.  I personally do like AAVE’s buy back and burn mechanism, whether it’s sustainable through a bear market who knows.  What am I doing, I bought a lot of my plays in 22-24 was up pretty decent and have took off most my positions in tiers through 25’ but still have some on cause no one seems to know are we on a four year cycle, the liquidity cycle which is now 5ish years, or going to act more like other financial markets risk on/off cause of institutional interest.  What’s your thoughts on RWA? 

ArtichokeUsed1129

>**Well you got your answer**, fundamentals matter even if the underlying ownership of the asset isn't being publicly traded. Huh? Is that a yes or no on if you wouldn't mind owning your cryptos even if they werent traded on a marketplace? I mean all in all your assets have to produce SOMETHING to you for you to own it, right? I don't know what hyperliquid or whatever is and am not interested in learning about it, but maybe you can tell me what do you get out of those others you mention, assuming you own them to mention them, ETH, AAVE, SOL, TRON, etc. Can you tell me how you calculate what price you are willing to pay for any of them? What price you determine to be overvalued? You say you can calculate it using traditional metrics. Can you just tell me what figures you've come up with? You mention P/B but that makes zero sense for a crypto. I'm not going to open 5 different links on something that you can just say because surely you can spit out some metrics as an owner yourself. Honestly, If I go to a cryptosub and ask what metrics they use to value their holdings you think anyone will do anything else than laugh? Never did I see ANYONE talk about P/E on a shitcoin, and I seriously doubt you have done any financial calculations to determine a FAIR price. I know that these communities are such large echochambers that theres always a few posters leading others who are just parroting the same stuff forwards without even understanding it themselves. It's actually funny that you think these aren't speculative assets where money is being made based on other people speculating on their market price. Do you not see most of your fellow investors say its just speculation and they are just gambling? Does that not bother you? What comes to luck, that's probably the biggest cringe here. You think something like DOGE has good fundamentals instead of holders just getting lucky that Elon decided to pump it because he though it was hilarious? So if someone made Doge 2.0 with objectively better "fundamentals" how would you determine it's market value compared to the original? Other peoples speculation IS the driving factor for any crypto. Or are you going to use P/E, P/S, P/B again on something that doesn't produce anything or have a book for their assets to even calculate it of? How many cryptos even produce anything where you can do your valuation that you deem accurate? I mean you must regard your valuation as accurate for it to even have any meaning. Probably less than 0.1% though? Nobody here even here cares about anything that's been produced, at most its SPECUALTION on future developments, do you really not see that? Thats why these aren't fundamentally sound assets, they are speculative ones based almost entirely on hype from retail investors, none of the actually smart investors would touch any of this, and no you aren't smarter than them and neither are the twitterbros you parrot who probably have zero education on economics.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Justin Sun, founder of Tron, staked $154.5 million worth of Ethereum on the Lido protocol, marking one of the largest institutional staking deposits on the Ethereum network recently. Sun withdrew 45,000 Ethereum from AAVE and deposited them into Lido Staking. His public wallets now hold $534 million in Ethereum, surpassing his TRX holdings of $519 million. Lido allows users to stake Ethereum while maintaining liquidity through derivative tokens. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

RoutineAdvantage3454

I thought AAVE had a max supply of 16 million?

jawni

>I know dude, that's why I asked you. It wasn't a rhetorical question. Well you got your answer, fundamentals matter even if the underlying ownership of the asset isn't being publicly traded. >That's weird. I was here from early 2017 to 2023, got the bag and bounced. Outside of bitcoin, none of these had any real world use case to justify their price. All people cared about was hype. Hype from bots on Reddit, paid shillers on twitter, paid promotion to exchanges, it's all the same. It's always been pure speculation fueled by getting rich quick. If you take that away, people don't want to own any of this. That's when I started too, but I definitely noticed a shift over those 6 years and especially after that in the last 2 years up until now. Over that period all of the projects I previously listed started having good fundamentals. ETH dominating general usage as well as being the preferred spot for any novel defi app led to good fundamentals. Tron being the de facto stablecoin payment chain led to good fundamentals. AAVE being the most trusted money market led to good fundamentals. Solana becoming the preferred chain to trade on led it to good fundamentals. PUMP and HYPE are new and launched outside that window, but obviously they have good fundamentals and are priced as such. >I don't even know what you are talking about. Is that a shitcoin or is that just a general question? Why don't you just help me out and answer how do you calculate what is intrinsic value of a cryptoasset? What makes you decide it's fairly valued for you to buy it from someone, what do you as an owner get that justifies a certain price? You said there are no fundamentals that matter and if you make money it's due to luck, I'm saying otherwise. Hyperliquid is the most profitable chain in crypto, so according to you, the idea that it's value also rose in correlation to the money it was making is purely luck. Clearly you have no clue what hyperliquid is, but just to fill you in, it's a perps exchange and it's massively popular. In order to decide if it's fairly valued, you can try many routes. You could extrapolate the market share it's gaining and project from that, you could value it off traditional metrics like p/s or p/e or p/b, you could value it relatively compared to other similar projects. Here are some examples: Here is an in-depth one: https://x.com/Crypto_McKenna/status/1978095055366676731 Here is a simple one: https://x.com/MetamateDaz/status/1886600921729392904 Here is one considering the many different methods: https://x.com/trevor_flipper/status/1932236465200583080 Just browse through this for more if you want: https://x.com/search?q=valuing%20hyperliquid&src=typed_query

jawni

There is a massive difference between actually having good fundamentals and caring about having good fundamentals. Traditionally "fundamental analysis" meant looking at how much money is being made and spent. Cardano makes very little revenue and subsidizes <99% of the ADA going to SPO operators via the reserve. Those are very poor fundamentals. You could use a looser definition to maybe extend to metrics like volume or TVL, but even then Cardano would be in the same relatively unimpressive spot. Good(or more accurately "better") fundamentals would be things like ETH, SOL, BNB, TRX, HYPE, PUMP, AAVE, projects that generate good cash flow from usage.

shawman123

it does not matter unless these integrations lead to huge revenue or something. I see altcoins publish news about various stuff done on DEFI and elsewhere but it does not move any needle. AAVE infact has 33B+ in TVL and we can see revenue/fees locked and still has not moved. Minus Bitcoin this cycle has done nothing much. Even Ethereum is below last cycle high. Era of alts are done I think.

Sandharbor

I also have very similar views, I believe alt season was in 2024 and therefore took a good chunk profit in early 25’ I could’ve timed it better and done it at the end of 24’ but didn’t. I took more off in the middle of 25’ and more off in October. Left some on cause my personality won’t allow me to have no chips on though, in case the cycle breaks, I know this means I’ll roll some over.  In hindsight the one change I would make is rolling my alt profits into BTC  My strategy basically to DCA into  multiple narratives about a year after the top for another year thensell halfish when it hits and I’m up multiples, I don’t try to time the top for one mass exit but take off in tiers.  Sol, AAVE, and BTC were probably my coin winners along with COIN and HOOD stocks. Had a few very small bets on memes and base tokens that helped hit. Had other  coins that maybe doubled tripled at most, some that bled the whole time, and got rugged a few times trying to hit a few lotto’s lol.  Analyzing that it’s hard to say how much better doing all that was then just accumulating and holding BTC, and the boring crypto related stocks.  As far next season I think the alts really doing something, for example having tokenized assets and corporate partnerships, or being the top defi protocol across chains will perform well, if the tokenomics are right. 

Hooftly

Yes and what gets me is Morpho mostly just uses AAVE and Compund under the hood if a P2P match isnt found.

corpusarium

AAVE is very stagnant

002_timmy

Very very different. Celsius was all off chain and basically leveraged customer assets. Teller is doing market-buys onchain to payout rewards. Many protocols do this to bootstrap activity then organic borrowing takes over. We’ve seen it with AAVE, Morpho, compound, etc.

itsadiseaster

Really? No! It can't be! The difference is they make the rules not your VeChain or other totally useless XRP, AAVE, SOL, ADA or whatever else you put on the list here.

RamoneBolivarSanchez

And yet loser traders who bought bags of SHIB will kick and scream that it’s all fake because they lost mommy and daddy’s money gambling on shitcoins. As someone who has also lived off of AAVE loans I agree and commend you sir 👏

RamoneBolivarSanchez

More like I was able to get a loan on AAVE when my credit was bad and this let me live my life without issues for 2 years until I was able to raise my credit score. Also had family use crypto for years to send money back to other family members in places where banks weren’t working and other sanctions were in place. Crypto is a reflection of *you* and what *you want* out of it. If your life is relatively easy and you’re using it as an investment or gambling vehicle - sure **you are waiting for number to go up**. Now if you were living in a really unfortunate place and time and had no way to send money to your family - and you needed to find a way to put up crypto you bought as collateral without selling it - dapps like AAVE are literally life changing. Just because you don’t use crypto for the intended purposes doesn’t mean other people aren’t. 😮

asselfoley

I've exited the financial system (except a visa debit that's attached to one of my wallets) and lived off AAVE loans for the last year

FB3536

You can stake EURC on AAVE selecting the ETH or BASE market

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theweb3voyager

Dude if you’re starting on crypto I’d go for blue chips on infra understand what they’re for and buy. Like UNI, AAVE or LINK.

theweb3voyager

I'll keep DCAing, and maybe recycle, borrow stables and lend that stables on a higher paying dApp. I'm borrowing low on AAVE and then recycling on Spark with higher APR.

theweb3voyager

Yeah was a sad day for web3 users finding out which apps were truly decentralized. Tho AAVE kept running smoothly in IPFS.

LocalLive2264

Since this happened under the heavily regulated EU framework, the BNFCR system was enforced to comply with MiCA regulations, which led to the closure of all open futures positions in 2024. However, my AAVE position was opened on Binance’s international site around November 24, 2023, which wasn’t subject to those rules. That’s why I got caught in this mess—buy orders were completely canceled, and some altcoins like ATOM and IOTX crashed to zero. I’ve got the full order history and price screenshots on my X, @fuckcpz.