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Spare-Dingo-531

> We are also seeing diminishing returns each bull market in terms of percentage increase from bottom to top. **FINALLY** someone else sees it! I knew I was not alone! Although my reasoning for diminishing returns is quite different from yours. Bitcoin is a physical object in the real world. I think the halvings in supply every 4 years cause the bitcoin bubbles. *I think diminishing returns are something that is predicted by the mechanism that causes cycles to happen.* Each halving is smaller and smaller relative to the amount of Bitcoin already mined. This causes both the bubbles and the diminishing returns. So there is an actual physical mechanism that explains the behavior of Bitcoin's price. Note also that bitcoin's scarcity does set a price floor, but like the diminishing returns for the top, the floor also moves downward each cycle. The rate at which Bitcoin deaccelerates each cycle can be quantified using log Fibonacci levels as a measuring tool. So based on the rate Bitcoin deaccelerates, the bottom should be 35K, and the next cycle should only produce marginal gains. This picture illustrates the trend: https://www.tradingview.com/x/RJsBrnA8/ What you should see in the above chart, is that each bottom relative to the previous bottom hits a higher and higher rung on the log fibbonacci level. I'll let you figure out for yourself where the next run hits, but spoiler, it's 35K. > I also think it seems likely Bitcoin will not be worth bothering with after 2029 as the risk/reward ratio will be lesser than just sticking with regular stocks due to the aforementioned diminishing returns. I disagree, I think crypto is inherently valuable and only gets more valuable each year, especially as the government debt situation gets worse and worse. I think Bitcoin will be supplanted, probably by Ethereum or maybe Solana. I think we see Ethereum with an 80 billion market cap at the bear market but at 1 trillion dollar market cap next bull cycle. This means Ethereum and related tokens like AAVE give you >10x potential. Ethereum is basically where Bitcoin is in 2018. https://www.tradingview.com/x/vITLTsPJ/

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Post is by: Bcom_Mod and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/bitcoin_com/comments/1ss7s33/kelpdao_followup_arbitrum_froze_71m_of_the_stolen/ A lot has moved on the Kelp/Aave situation since Saturday so it's worth doing a proper update because the picture is meaningfully different from the initial chaos. **What's been recovered:** The Arbitrum Security Council executed an emergency freeze of 30,766 ETH (roughly $71 million) sitting in an attacker-controlled address on Arbitrum One on Monday night. The Council said it acted on input from law enforcement regarding the exploiter's identity. The funds have been moved to a governance-controlled wallet and can't be accessed without further Arbitrum governance action. That's about a quarter of the total stolen recovered so far. **The official bad debt picture:** [Aave Labs and risk management firm LlamaRisk published a formal incident report](https://news.bitcoin.com/incident-report-llamarisk-aave-service-providers-detail-kelp-rseth-hack-across-ethereum-and-arbitrum-markets/) on April 20 covering two scenarios. Scenario 1: if Kelp socializes losses across all rsETH holders, the token depegs roughly 15% and Aave is left with around $124 million in bad debt spread across 7 markets. Scenario 2: if losses are isolated to L2 networks, bad debt rises to approximately $230 million concentrated on Arbitrum and Mantle. Which scenario plays out depends entirely on how Kelp decides to allocate the shortfall: that decision hasn't been made yet. The attacker split the stolen rsETH across seven wallets, deposited across Aave V3 and borrowed \~$190 million in WETH and wstETH, with loan health factors sitting between 1.01 and 1.03. Those positions are still live and can't be meaningfully liquidated while rsETH is frozen. **Liquidity situation:** Aave's WETH pool on Ethereum Core V3 has been unfrozen: users can supply WETH again and some withdrawals are processing. However WETH remains frozen on Ethereum Prime, Arbitrum, Base, Mantle, and Linea. About $204 million in core USD liquidity was repaid within 48 hours as the panic subsided. AAVE token itself has recovered from a low of roughly $80 back to around $93 as confidence partially returned. **The structural exposure:** Aave's DAO treasury holds $181 million as of April 20. $62 million in ETH-correlated assets, $54 million in AAVE tokens, $52 million in stablecoins. The DAO generated $145 million in protocol revenue in 2025. Depending on which scenario unfolds, the treasury is either approximately sufficient to cover the shortfall or gets uncomfortably close to its limits. Service providers have already been securing indicative recovery commitments from ecosystem participants, which is the DeFi equivalent of calling in favours. The Kelp vs. LayerZero dispute over responsibility for the exploit is ongoing and unresolved. Kelp has not yet published how it plans to allocate losses. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

igoldring

GNO, AAVE, STX, INJ, & ZBCN. GNO seems to be my safe bet at this point, it’s consolidating at 2022 bear market lows and its relation to ETH. AAVE is still the leader in DeFi and you could add Morpho if you’re looking to diversify in that sector. STX being approved by the SEC for their ICO is a plus for me. INJ I like here for R/R ratio. ZBCN is a very interesting due to their payroll and streamlined payments as a real time payroll/streaming finance infrastructure.

trimalcus

AAVE ?

monerobull

Does anyone here have wETH stuck in AAVE Umbrella? I would like to take a gamble on this whole situation and buy it off of you (at a steep discount because it will most likely be wiped out). That way you can still recover some of the value and I get to gamble on whether or not Umbrella gets rekt :)

buy_bitcoin_orwhatev

So what’s the latest with AAVE? We still think it’s safe for USDC? Bc my bag is earning 13% APY at the moment 😅

ryana8

The people commenting on this thread are salty because they either A) Had the capital and didn't buy pre 2017 when the market was low or B) Didn't have the capital at the time The reality is: It's still early. Despite the headlines, despite what people are saying. Did blockchain really take off in the sense that "we're going to replace the banks with a truly anonymous and decentralized currency"? Absolutely not. Was it a pipedream at one point? Yes - around the time that you were watching cartoons. The crypto goldrush is akin to the actual goldrush. There *were* people who didn't move out west and set up mining operations.. But - look at gold now. It's still a commodity (a $13 Trillion commodity), and it's just a rock from the ground. People have turned it into jewelry, but - it's just a resource. BTC, ETH, BNB, AAVE, potentially HYPE (we will see about this one) - have real use cases that financial instructions can leverage. If you bought and held any of these since the early days, you'd have done well for yourself. But again - the equities market isn't run by retail - it's run by institutions. A lot of people entered late and bought meme tokens to make up for it because they were trying to get rich quick. Just like in the real market - 99% of startups don't make it. The same works for tokens. What you SHOULD be optimizing for if you're interested in this economy is finding tokens with real world use cases that banks will inevitably be attracted to. There are tons of them, and they're worth holding for their long term value. You should NOT be optimizing for becoming a millionaire in a month because 67coin went from 1/1,000,000 of a penny to 20 cents. The thing about blockchain is it's just basic accounting software. At the very core. It's boring. Your investment strategy should be fairly boring too. People saying it's dead, yet it has a $2.6 trillion market cap and investment banks only recently got ETF approvals in 2024. 2 years ago. If you think the investment banks are done with crypto - despite just getting started with crypto, I don't know what else to tell you. To address your question. It's PART of an investment thesis. If you had $1m would you put it all in one stock? Or - would you diversify? A little in AMD, a little in energy stock, a little in SaaS? If you had $10m, you might put some of it in real estate, some of it in equities, some of it in crypto, etc.. Long story long. Add it to your portfolio. Keyword portfolio.

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Anxious_Subject_2604

If you were the banking sector and had the deepest pockets out of all and you've got this CLARITY act looming over you, would you perhaps try to look into sponsoring 3rd parties and help them find hacks/vulnerabilities into the most popular protocols in DeFi. (for example AAVE) Something on the side of course, off-shore, maybe NKorea. Russia etc

NFT_fud

No not AAVE, its been such a rock all these years

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Post is by: Bcom_Mod and the url/text [ ](https://goo.gl/GP6ppk)is: /r/bitcoin_com/comments/1sqcigm/btc_still_sitting_at_7475k_after_the_worst/ While DeFi experienced its worst weekend of the year; * $292 million drained from Kelp DAO, * $6.6 billion in TVL evaporating from Aave, * AAVE down 17%, emergency freezes across 9+ protocols), Bitcoin spent the weekend ranging quietly between $74,000 and $75,500. It didn't crash or spike. It just sat there. In previous cycles, a DeFi contagion event of this scale would have dragged BTC down as the market repriced systemic risk across the whole ecosystem. The fact that it didn't suggests something structural has shifted in who's actually holding Bitcoin, and on what infrastructure. The ETF holders, the Schwab clients, the institutional allocators, are [not exposed to rsETH or LayerZero bridges](https://news.bitcoin.com/zachxbt-flags-280m-kelpdao-exploit-hitting-ethereum-defi-lending-markets/). Their Bitcoin exposure is custodied at Coinbase and BNY Mellon, sitting in regulated trust structures that have zero connection to the DeFi composability stack that just blew up. Speaking of which, Charles Schwab formally launched Schwab Crypto this week, opening direct spot BTC and ETH trading to its clients at 75 basis points per trade. That's not cheap by crypto-native standards, but Schwab has 34 million active brokerage accounts. The product doesn't need to be price-competitive with Coinbase. It just needs to be convenient and trusted, and for that audience it is both. Bitcoin ETF total assets crossed back above $100 billion this week on the back of strong inflows, the first time since the bear market deepened in February. The week ending April 17 saw some of the heaviest single-day inflows of the year. The picture being painted is a market in genuine bifurcation. DeFi is running hot with innovation, yield, composability. And apparently, with hackers who can drain $292 million in 46 minutes. Bitcoin, increasingly wrapped in regulated ETF structures and accessible through traditional brokerages, is becoming something different. Less volatile relative to its own history, less correlated with DeFi drama, more insulated from smart contract risk. Whether that's good or bad for the soul of crypto is a separate debate. As a price dynamic heading into the next six months, it's probably bullish for BTC specifically. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoMarkets) if you have any questions or concerns.*

No-Unit-6074

What this really shows is the value of pre-screening security risk rather than trying to react in real time. By the time any alert hits, AI or mainstream, faster players are already exiting. The AAVE drop was a symptom of KelpDAO's security posture which was detectable well before the exploit. Before touching any protocol I check certik scores, skynet operational risk, and hack history. cryptoscores aggregates all of that so you can run a quick check before allocating rather than scrambling when something breaks. Always verify is exactly right, and having the data beforehand beats chasing headlines

Saffuran

I wonder if someone over at RAVE or a large investor in RAVE used their capital there and understanding of DAO architecture to perform the KelpDAO/AAVE exploit. Both events happening at around the same time is cause for concern that there may be some relation. 

moonRekt

Glad I sold all my AAVE for my Audi a couple months ago. Spending money on cars is stupid but sometimes not as stupid as HODLing. Really only trusting BTC and ETH right now

trimalcus

We need to stop those re-re-staking ultra loop token chasing useless yield. Why AAVE even listed this token ?

devCheckingIn

A couple of months ago somebody here was saying you can make a good yield on AAVE. I'd rather just buy T-bills. About the same return for (almost) zero risk.

Azatis-

It is not only KelpDAO that will have a huge issue , is AAVE as well

SilasX

So, are assets on AAVE fucked?

buy_bitcoin_orwhatev

Was the exploit on AAVE or on that token?

verysillyman

AAVE going under after this 300 mil exploit?

samkb93

Aave wasn't exploited. A bridge was exploited and the hacker took out a loan on the rsETH on AAVE. Now AAVE probably holds bad debt. They will work through that. The aave protocol worked as expected.

Known_Click

Was about time, everyone had AAVE as the safe haven of Crypto for staking purposes. There is no safe place in Crypto, that’s why I never staked any of my stables.

General-Dream-28

Is AAVE a shitcoin? Never heard of it.

alxkwl

Step 7: ignore steps 3-6 and use a defi platform like AAVE and retain custody of your collateral, earn interest on it that will reduce or nullify interest on what you borrow, and have no loan terms, as you just became your own bank.

No-Coconut-5234

There isn't really a use case for Bitcoin. Paradoxically, there are plenty of other cryptocurrencies that the public has turned its back on that are actually useful. An oracle like Chainlink is essential for decentralization. AAVE is incredibly useful and is revolutionizing decentralized finance. But Bitcoin remains the leader. It has no practical use, but it's digital gold, the first, the number one.

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tldr; AAVE fell to a 52-week low below $95 despite Aave’s major V4 upgrade launch. The upgrade unifies lending pools into shared liquidity, improves capital efficiency, introduces risk-based pricing, and makes expansion easier. Still, the token has lost over a third of its value in the past year, highlighting that crypto prices are currently driven more by macro conditions, liquidity, and market sentiment than protocol fundamentals. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

richardpraiz13

Welcome back! A lot has changed but the fundamentals of evaluating good projects haven't. The biggest mistake returning investors make is jumping in based on hype without doing proper research. A few things worth knowing: - BTC and ETH are still solid foundations - DeFi has matured a lot — protocols like Uniswap, AAVE and Curve have real revenue and years of track record - Always check TVL, tokenomics and team transparency before touching any altcoin I actually put together a complete token research framework covering exactly how to evaluate any crypto project before investing. Happy to share if useful..

alxkwl

I already mentioned, AAVE.

Express-Potential485

so many crypto newbies on reddit…. there are these things…. they are called smart contracts. they are the foundation of decentralized finance. no kyc needed or even necessary. just trust the audited code many examples out there… the most widely known web3 platform that utilizes smart contract for lending purposes is probably AAVE. you’re welcome. your actual crypto journey begins right now..

kers2000

replace AAVE by Bitcoin

alxkwl

Similar experience on AAVE except I've EARNED interest by supplying ETH to collateralize my loan, and still haven't paid back my loan a year later, as there are no loan repayment terms. The key is definitely to borrow in bear markets when the value of the asset you are supplying is low to avoid liquidation - I took mine out last year when ETH was at $1600, so my liquidation price would be around $900, and if I did need to supply more collateral, it would be relatively cheap to do so.

Spare-Dingo-531

Rate my planned crypto portfolio: 70% ETH 20% SOL 10% AAVE Timeframe is to buy in one year, and hold for 3 years afterwards. Good or bad?

SpontaneousDream

1. Zero meaningful buyback and burns of the token. 2. AAVE/BTC is near all time lows. 3. AAVE/USD is at the same price from years ago. Hard pass.

igoldring

No XMR or AAVE should be a crime. Drop ADA & COMP for sure. Add GNO if you want more ETH exposure and throw in ZBCN for some nice risk.

BamBoomWatchaGonnaDo

Sold 4 when price was around $10,000 to make a down payment on a house. No regrets. Also sold 400,000 LEND tokens for $8, and if I waited the same tokens (AAVE) would have exceeded $2.0M. No regrets. Gotta live life and never look back.

Known_Click

In this specific case AAVE even show a warning message before confirmation to the user and he completely ignored it and decided to continue. Like I said, nobody to blame here but his own stupidity.

Logical_Lemming

AAVE's front-end does give a preview... and a warning he had to check. Unfortunately it was ignored.

Mattie_Kadlec

AAVE and CowSwap both said they will return the fees they collected from this swap. That should amount to a milly or two. The rest is gone for good

JustStopppingBye

[https://x.com/StaniKulechov/status/2032193345414664659?s=20](https://x.com/StaniKulechov/status/2032193345414664659?s=20) >Given the unusually large size of the single order, the Aave interface, like most trading interfaces, warned the user about extraordinary slippage and required confirmation via a checkbox. The user confirmed the warning on their mobile device and proceeded with the swap, accepting the high slippage, which ultimately resulted in receiving only 324 AAVE in return. He held the $50M on his phone.

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tldr; A crypto investor made a costly mistake by swapping $50 million of USDT for AAVE on a mobile app, ignoring slippage warnings. The transaction resulted in receiving only $35,000 worth of AAVE and incurring $600,000 in fees, leaving the investor with a loss exceeding $49 million. This incident highlights the importance of understanding slippage and liquidity, especially when trading large sums in decentralized exchanges. Developers are working to recover the fees, but the loss remains significant. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

EarningsPal

Who has $50M and just swaps it in Defi like that? Bypassing warnings. Even with no warning, it would be obvious to anyone to not swap $50M in one swap. First you swap $1000, then $10,000. You would see immediately the liquidity will not support such a trade. Then you go find another way. Probably go contact AAVE themselves to get connected with an OTC desk. An alternative is to contact several centralized exchanges to negotiate prices and they can’t go out and gather the AAVE you require. Then you transfer the aave to multiple wallets, at least 5 different wallets with separate seeds and you stake it from there. I’d want to sit in the office of AAVE at least once before buying $50M worth. I’d want to visit at least the OTC desk and have lunch or something. This was fake for headlines or something weird we can’t understand because I can’t believe someone is that stupid.

JustStopppingBye

https://x.com/StaniKulechov/status/2032193345414664659?s=20 This is the founder of AAVE discussing what happened.

Bobbyswhiteteeth

He might be a billionaire, I doubt his entire worth was all in AAVE unless he was connected to the setup of it. 

platinumarks

In a system like AAVE using liquidity pools, people deposit crypto on both sides of the pair (so, in this case, the trader was trading AAVE-wrapped USDT for native AAVE token; the trading pools are composed of people who have deposited both of those tokens into a liquidity pool). The difference in the amount of tokens added on each side determines the exchange rate. This works fine normally, but when you have a huge trade relative to the size of the pool, you can exhaust all of the balance on the other side of the exchange (in this case, native AAVE token). The system compensates by drastically reducing the exchange rate in order to fulfill the request. It warns the user that they will exhaust the AAVE token balance in the pool, thereby causing a massive loss on the transaction, but it will still allow it. The user confirmed this and accepted the loss. The people who deposited AAVE token into the ETH<->AAVE pool are on the other side of the transaction and basically got a huge amount of ETH in return, proportional to how much they put in.

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tldr; A trader lost nearly $50 million in a swap on Aave's platform after attempting to exchange $50.43 million USDT for AAVE tokens. Due to insufficient liquidity, the trader received only 327 AAVE tokens worth approximately $36,000, resulting in a 99.9% loss. Aave's interface had warned of 'extraordinary slippage,' requiring manual confirmation, which the trader acknowledged before proceeding. Aave plans to refund $600,000 in fees and review safeguards to prevent similar incidents in the future. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

tqlla3k

Damn, congrats to the people that sold the AAVE.

Run-Forever1989

So does this mean another trader received $50M worth of ether for $36,000 worth of AAVE, or did the ether basically vanish and there was no “winner”? Or do we not know?

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tldr; A trader on Ethereum accidentally lost approximately $50 million in a DeFi swap, receiving only about $36,000 worth of AAVE tokens. The transaction, executed via CoW Protocol, likely suffered from poor liquidity, a faulty swap path, or a misconfigured trade order. The incident highlights risks in decentralized finance but is not expected to significantly impact the AAVE market due to the small amount of tokens involved. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

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maddhy

AAVE, Compound, moonwell, morpho etc for lending. You can also do LP for stablecoins.

SportyDocs

GONE IN HARD ON: AAVE USD1 WFLI The reasoning behind this is… Trump gets Larry in as US treasury secretary. Larry’s agenda in office has been to get international trade governed and measure by crypto. Trump brings out a stable coin USD1 which rivals USDC and T. He puts it through office. It’s now the recognised as the official 1:1 coin:dollar crypto. Other stable coins crash. He creates a DeFi coin WLFI which runs off the native coin of USD1. DeFi allows those who are major stake holders to govern the crypto. When he created the WLFI. Everyone wondered why he did it in a weird way… the DeFi he set up was as a meme coin. It could massively swing. It can also then be linked with a tangible asset and used like a currency or commodity. Black rock announce they have a big agenda for the meeting in the 11th. One key event will be discussion around the inovation to create crypto real world assets. Then the final kicker for me which makes me so so sure. BitGo the custodian for USD1 and WLFI. They announced this morning they are investing everything they can into Europe. You’ll not be able to trade USD1 or WFLI on a national business / government scale unless you go through them. You’ll either have to have them as a custodian or have to pay a tariff. Everyother country can follow suit. But Trump was there first. He monopolises global trade and money in one fell swoop before he can be stopped, using Iran as a distraction. On the 11th Larry is going to announce that black rock will be trading assets and commodities in crypto only. This is what I think the big reveal is about but not confirmed. This will tie with any international assets trade with the U.S. you will have to use crypto or nothing. USD1 will be the stablecoin that the commodities are exchanged for. WLFI will be priced at a reflection of global oil prices (potentially a general price on global assets or a differen assets too). Large steak holders will govern the respective asset-coin’s provision globally. To purchase oil or trade with America you’ll have to use this currency. Trump will monopolise global trade and then global money from it.

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DonkeyAsleep7884

This is a pretty nice boost for people with idle stablecoins. I would be more inclined to lend out funds to protocols like AAVE than a CEX any day of the week.

EarningsPal

So stupid. If you have the ability to get people to invest $328 Million with you, all you have to do is the right thing. You win. They don’t necessarily have to win either. But as long as the investment was legal and legitimate, it’s their risk. This dude could have just put $328 Million into 20% BTC/USDC, 20% BTC/USDT, 10% ETH/USDC 10% ETH/USDT, 20% Stablecoin Liquidity Pools/Lending protocols like AAVE or Morpho, and the last 20% into US Treasuries or on chain treasury tokens from legit sources. He could take a management fee of 1% of what is invested, a performance fee per year. Any year someone is up, he gets paid handsomely. Any year the customer is down, he still gets paid 1%. If he could have just lasted another 4 years, it’s likely he would be managing 400 Million doing absolutely nothing except putting money in and out of liquidity pools and generating reports to whomever asks for details. I never understand why people do t just invest the money into an index fund. Although it’s wrong to lie, the Ponzi dudes can promise massive returns and just invest in an index fund and do nothing else. Just keep talking about your proprietary research and experience. Anyone that wants their money out, pay them. They will get the market return and compare that to their other portfolio and probably have little to argue about. They will have made a profit, just not as much as they hoped. That’s investing.

absurdcriminality

There is no liquidation risk because you are lending funds to AAVE users, not taking out a loan

No_Giraffe_4647

On other words you are looking at the few potential unicorns over millions of new projects good luck with that. Your best pick would be alt coin that are already developing and generating high revenue stream such as HYPE AAVE….the list is long As a beginner who is looking for X100 project you may end up loosing money I could guarantee it like 99.9 percent probability

No_Giraffe_4647

The ones generating revenue I like especially HYPE AAVE UNI But as well exposed on HBAR DOVU SUI I am investing in CRCL shares as well

No_Giraffe_4647

Beside the major cryptos BTC/ETH I am stacking HBAR, HYPE, AAVE and UNI for the following reasons: HBAR has hashgraph tech which is pushing limits of scalability, energy efficiency plus speed at new competition level. It starts to create noise and more and more deal closed but still at a very discounted price HYPE because of the leverage provided to the crypto derivatives it is very popular and generating tons of volume and revenue. They are using a large chunk of this revenue to burn token and create more scarcity (max supply was originally 1 billion and falling) AAVE as key player for lending and borrowing cryptos which is very popular activity as well just after derivative leverage positions. The margin is not high but volumes are tremendous so it is generating pretty good revenue Finally UNI as swapping coins is becoming a national sport and they take a few bucks on million transactions so pretty good revenue stream, pity thing is that nothing benefit to token holders yet in regards of revenue sharing but it might change soon.

biba8163

Let me help with some financial literacy since you seem to be confused what real world financial products are and you show me how many of these products the "DeFi" meme narrative offers. **Real World Financial Products** - **Checking accounts** - for everyday daily activities for paying bills, debit cards, ATMs - **Savings accounts** - for storing money that is GUARANTEED by the government for up to $250K - **Certificates of Deposits** - GUARANTEED fixed interest. - **IRA** - Tax advantaged or 100% tax free (Roth) retirement accounts - **Brokerage accounts** - Access to investment products including stocks, bonds, REITS (Real Estate Investment Trusts) - **Personal Loans, Home Loans, Mortgages, Home Equity Loans, etc** - **Home Owners Insurance, Auto Insurance, Life Insurance, etc** - **Small Business Loans, Commercial Loans** **DEFI - Bullshit scam narrative from the Summer of 2020** - Essentially a Shitcoin Casino. Leveraged plays, trading shitcoin tokens, earning yield on shitcoin tokens by providing liquidity on shitcoin tokens which all drop 70%-99% when BTC goes into a bear market. NOT FINANCE in ANY WAY - Every player like, MakerDAO, AAVE, LINK etc, is COMPLETELY CENTRALIZED - There are NO real life financial products like life, home, health insurance, mortgages, home equity loans, car loans, personal loans without massive collateral, commercial loans, etc. Again, shitcoin trading, yield farming, etc. NOT FINANCE in ANY WAY - Then you slap some scamified metrics like TVL based on scam tokens locked up to make gullible fools believe real capital is locked up instead of vaporware scam tokens.

Spare-Dingo-531

AAVE is the biggest and one of the oldest defi protocol on Ethereum. It has 26 billion dollars locked in its smart contract. You can take out loans or get yield on stablecoins, and this is all done algorithmically. It's permissionless lending just like bitcoin is permissionless transacting. AAVE has begun launching a consumer app for the general public. Grayscale is also trying to launch an AAVE ETF so wall street can buy the token.

Spare-Dingo-531

Bro.... AAVE, the largest lending protocol on Ethereum is literally launching a consumer app. People from 3rd world countries use stablecoins to save in US dollars. Come on man!

trdtr500

What's your AAVE buy-in price?

Zllimpat

BGD Labs leaving AAVE. End of an era: https://x.com/bgdlabs/status/2024827200793387465?s=46

jlwapple

What do you think is in AAVE & other DEFI'S future?

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jlwapple

I'm all in on AAVE atm.

alxkwl

Buy and supply on AAVE and borrow USDT against it at 40% LTV to keep interest balanced and liquidation event below $1k. Use this to DCA down more if it keeps dropping, or to diversify your holdings.

alxkwl

I love the platform. Buy eth, supply on AAVE, borrow USDT at 40% LTV while prices are low and the interest cancels out, buy BTC. HODL. Wait for previous ATH and unload.

BitchScizzors

What do you think about AAVE?

alxkwl

Just took out $100K HELOC, yolo'd on ETH at $1800, supplied to AAVE, borrowed USDC at 50% LTV, bought Bitcoin at 65k.

Knocking_Doors

Which alts are you betting on? SOL, link, AAVE, AVAX, SUI, XRP on the list?

Piddler509

Looking for AAVE and TAO to at least triple over next 3-5 years. That’s my play!!

Piddler509

I need 3 more months of lows then 2 nice bonus checks which I will be loading up!! BTC, ETH, TAO and AAVE!! That’s my current portfolio and expecting TAO and AAVE to at least triple over the next 5 years?? Maybe… Anyways, been through a couple of these cycles now and I sold a bunch when we had the dip in October. Glad I did but still up a bit and looking forward to hopefully getting these on sale the next 3-6 months. Just hope the cycles continue as they have!!

jlwapple

True. I'm paying attention to BTC, XMR, AAVE & ETH. What about you?

anotherfroggyevening

Any thought on UNI, AAVE?

Elean0rZ

To the extent they're all tokens on one or other chain, in what way are stables *not* "blockchain-based assets"? They don't have their own dedicated chain but in that respect they're no different from e.g. LINK, AAVE, etc.

swimcrypto

It is also the horizontal integration. There maybe price feed competitors (Pyth, Redstone, etc.) or CCIP competitors (Wormhole, Layer Zero, etc). or Deco competitors (Reclaim, TLS notary, etc.), or Proof of Reserve (Pyth, Band, etc.) ... you can do this for each of their products, but the general theme is that each of their competitors is focused on just one sector for which chainlink is the standard. No one is competing across the whole suite of products that is necessary for institutions, enterprises, or even large web3 native applications to build and scale for mass adoption. This means no one can compete with their higher level products like CRE and ACE which incorporate many of their products working together to address regulatory, compliance, devX, and UX needs. Additionally it builds stronger relationships as teams incorporate more and products, gain further trust in the team, and leads to increase likelihood of adoption of future products. For example aave originally incorporated chainlink price feeds. This was honestly the major competitive advantage that lead to them leapfrogging compound in weeks. As compound had to build a new oracle in house each time they wanted to list a new asset and compound could out source that work to chainlink. This lead to aave being among the first to adopt products like CCIP, collaborating on initiatives like SVR, and more recently integrating NAV feeds and ACE to support institutional initiatives. Long term relationships with prominent protocols increase compound on themselves Additionally it establishes network effects both internally and externally. Internally if you are already using one chainlink product it becomes that much easier to use them for your next product. Communications remain efficient, and interactions between various components are easier to understand and diagnose when there are issues. Externally it also has benefits when integrating with other applications. For example if we consider a situation where aave is considering listing a CDP stable coin which uses DIA for its price feeds and layerzero for its bridge, it invites more risk then one that uses is Chainlink and ccip. Finally it strategically heavily incentivizes chainlink integration over competitor integration. Consider a new ecosystem with moderate momentum at launch. Likely they will want large protocols like aave, gmx, etc. to deploy on the network. Those protocols are reliant on chainlink though and will not deploy without chainlink support. These highly desireable partners act as leverage for chainlink. They can demand exclusivity and/or canonical status. Even if they don't Ecosystems are incentivized to just integrate chainlink across the board as it is more efficient then paying for chainlink price feeds and CCIP to satisfy AAVE and then also pay for Redstone and wormhole integrations. For institutional adoption these is all just amplified 10x. It would require something catastrophic for a competitor to take a way significant market share at this point

tianavitoli

your loan is always going to be overcollateralized, full stop. if the value of your collateral goes up, nothing happens. it's functionally the same as a home equity line of credit. you can borrow up to the limits they allow based on the value of your collateral. point of order, they're probably not going to give you a loan to value that's better than something like AAVE (or whatever other defi lending platforms are out there)

DracoSoul96

But does AAVE like you back, that's the big question

jlwapple

I still like AAVE

biba8163

**Real World Financial Products** - **Checking accounts** - for everyday daily activities for paying bills, debit cards, ATMs - **Savings accounts** - for storing money that is GUARANTEED by the government for up to $250K - **Certificates of Deposits** - GUARANTEED fixed interest. - **IRA** - Tax advantaged or 100% tax free (Roth) retirement accounts - **Brokerage accounts** - Access to investment products including stocks, bonds, REITS (Real Estate Investment Trusts) - **Personal Loans, Home Loans, Mortgages, Home Equity Loans, etc** - **Home Owners Insurance, Auto Insurance, Life Insurance, etc** - **Small Business Loans, Commercial Loans** **DEFI - Bullshit scam narrative from the Summer of 2020** - Essentially a Shitcoin Casino. Leveraged plays, trading shitcoin tokens, earning yield on shitcoin tokens by providing liquidity on shitcoin tokens which all drop 70%-99% when BTC goes into a bear market. NOT FINANCE in ANY WAY - Every player like, MakerDAO, AAVE, LINK etc, is COMPLETELY CENTRALIZED - There are NO real life financial products like life, home, health insurance, mortgages, home equity loans, car loans, personal loans without massive collateral, commercial loans, etc. Again, shitcoin trading, yield farming, etc. NOT FINANCE in ANY WAY - Then you slap some scamified metrics like TVL based on scam tokens locked up to make gullible fools believe real capital is locked up instead of vaporware scam tokens. Innovation is just crypto hype to sell you a bunch of shitcoins that make the founders and VC rich. The Use Cases are that are being adopted are clear: - Store of value = BTC - Payments, transfers, remittances = Stablecoins - Rails for Stablecoins = Ethereum, Tron, Solana, ETH L2s, etc. - Privacy *(Very little wide level public interest but honorable mention here)* There has been little innovation of anything that can provide real world value and adoption outside BTC. - Stablecoins were the result of the Omni Layer created on top of Bitcoin that allowed custom token ownership and transfer in the network which allowed for the creation of ICOs and the launch of Tether on the Bitcoin network. Other networks like Ethereum and Tron now provide the rails for Stablecoins instead of BTC which functions as a decentralized store of value. Smart Contracts have NOT proven to provide any type of real world value except for trading, leveraging, gambling, lending and yield farming shitcoins on DeFi casinos.

uthillygooth

DCA into majors and I cut every single non-chain protocol this morning. I’m looking at you AAVE, LINK, etc.. I want to see the light leave your eyes as you go. (I might miss some additional gains but I’m over the stress of these bozos.)

biba8163

~1 Year Ago: - BTC Maxis were giving Trump a handjob because he was creating a Bitcoin Strategic Reserve - ETH Maxis were tickling Trump's balls because the Trump Crime Family had created WLFI DEFI lol and were buying ETH, AAVE, etc with money from scamming people selling $TRUMP and WLFI tokens - XRP Lunatics happily had their noses up Trump's ass tossing his salad because he was firing Gary Gensler and the SEC would no longer be "persecuting" scammers like Ripple

biba8163

> $TRUMP Coin is going to deliver an education to people who missed out enrolling at Trump University. **(Jan.18, 2025)** https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1i3uktp/daily_crypto_discussion_january_18_2025_gmt0/m7uhtzf > Reminder: **(Feb, 2025)** > - The Trumps have not put any of their money in crypto. They are collecting money including ETH, USDT, USDC, etc by selling WLFI tokens and also memecoins > - Donald Trump has bankrupted 6 casinos and now has made Ethereum his casino > - $WLFI is run Chase Herro Zachary Folkman who previously ranDough Finance a fork of AAVE that was hacked for $1.8M in July 2024 and went bankrupt. https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1ikp5qf/trumpbacked_world_liberty_financial_is_loading_up/mbogi7e/ **Education isn't cheap!** > just bought some trump. watched it go from $30 to $40 so fast. then bought some on the way down. https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1i4l3ol/daily_crypto_discussion_january_19_2025_gmt0/m7xflwn/?context=3 > $TRUMP to $100 https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1iporry/daily_crypto_discussion_february_15_2025_gmt0/mcv0pfn/ > All aboard the $TRUMP train https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1iporry/daily_crypto_discussion_february_15_2025_gmt0/mcx4t06/ > It’s good to know this community hates $TRUMP coin. Always inverse this sub is the golden rule. Trump to the moon 🚀🚀🚀 https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1iporry/daily_crypto_discussion_february_15_2025_gmt0/mcxyl1g > I told my sister I bought some $TRUMP yesterday. she wanted me to buy some for her too. so i just did. https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1i4l3ol/daily_crypto_discussion_january_19_2025_gmt0/m812na6/ > It’s the perfect currency. $TRUMP could be used for many applications like buying a Tesla if Elon pushes for it. https://np.reddit.com/r/OfficialTrumpCoin/comments/1iait25/since_this_is_a_memecoin/m9aia6n/

RamoneBolivarSanchez

Looks like you don’t understand how either work then. For Ethereum, it’s literally a decentralized computation layer for anyone in the world to use (ie anyone can choose to borrow or lend money on AAVE). This is easy to understand and there are far more examples. Look at how people in sanctioned locations - or with failing currency - can use stablecoins as safe liquidity. For Bitcoin it’s more of an experimental question regarding SoV and inflation, but there’s a pretty simple, albeit less interesting use case there. I would argue that just because you subjectively don’t use crypto for these reasons doesn’t mean others aren’t. Maybe think about how these systems benefit others rather than what you personally think is missing.

Coquito3000

yes sure and im sure that normies want this type of solutions. back in 2014 people had problems and ethereum came to solve this problems exactly? let me tell you how much normies care about stablecoins uniswap coinswap scamswap AAVE or all that shit. When I started investing in ethereum crypto kitties started as one of the first games that took down the chain. Gods unchained was hyped as a proof of concept. Everything you mentioned is worthless and to me its proof that ethereum is stuck in crypto babble and not in solving real world problems. But worse, the ethereum foundation is busy creating this project that after 10 years fails to ship a realistic proof of concept. So I hate to say it. But you make the arguments for the crypto skeptics for them. And you make me even more skeptical that this has a future and notice I start from a position of accumulating 818 ETH and staking them until recently. You are arguing from a position of line goes up but nothing about real adoption. "I've heard a lot of people are using them". Do you have any metrics? And worse, do you have anything proving that they need crypto to swap all the chuck e cheeses coins? Because that s all that you are offering here.

MadCake92

I have, discarded it due to major concerns about regulatory scrutiny by tax agencies, but I am Europoor. YMMV in other places where offramping crypto is not linked with drugs, terrorism and tax evasion. In case you wanted to know, the path I considered was depositing in AAVE and borrowing in EURC. Mostly because centralised lenders charge around 5-10% of interest on the loan, compared with AAVE that currently stands at 2-3% for an EURC loan.

epic_trader

> Im not only disappointed that ETH is down. Im more disappointed that ETH failed to deliver on its promises to create decentralized applications. Decentralized communications would be wonderful in repressive regimes like Iran right now. Decentralized social media would be great in a world where FB X and youtube are manipulated to give you the algorithm of their CEOs. But ETH has failed to produce a single useful application. All it has shown so far is NFTs, DeFi, and crypto babble. It's insane to see these kind of claims when it's so well documented and well known by *everyone* that there are tons of successful decentralized applications on Ethereum. But if you thought Ethereum was supposed to host Facebook or YouTube, you seriously misunderstood something. Any kind of logic that lives in a smart contract is a decentralized application. That means ERC20 tokens are dapps, stablecoins are dapps, uniswap and cowswap are dapps, AAVE is a dapp. Have you heard about those?

Shichroron

Saving account interest is a joke. You probably want to benchmark against money market funds (3.5-3.8% if i am not mistaken) You can get USDC and lend it on AAVE. That will give about the same level with the lowest on chain risk.

ADHD-Developer

If you think about it, just look at ETH versus ADA. Charles Hoskinson talks nonstop about governance, “real” decentralization, academic papers, proof of stake, privacy chains… all the buzzwords you can imagine. Supposedly all about real-world use, yet the network TVL is basically nonexistent. Vitalik, on the other hand, is like “I don’t care, I’ll fix problems as they come.” The focus is simply on building and letting real usage grow. And what sits on top of Ethereum? AAVE and Chainlink, billions of dollars in TVL and the largest blockchain oracle out there. So honestly, who’s actually winning here?

mastrgamr

Strike, Coinbase, AAVE, Morpho. All options to borrow

HoffyToTheMoon

You're gonna tell me tokens like AAVE, Uniswap, Arbitrum, Chain link, etc... will have no utility in the future? What do you think all of this is leading to? We just keep dumping our money into a machine that spits out losses for the sake of gambling?

uthillygooth

Come for the yield , Leave because of the extraction. You can’t out-trade the relatively thin liquidity. Market Makers control more price action than most think. Reading up on AAVE’s on-going equity ownership issues would be helpful to understand a lot of the issues versus traditional stocks.

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Advorce

Just one example.... I even had a $10 dustbag of LEND(former AAVE) turn into 4k at the lows of 2021 at the top of my head and i bottom sold that bag for the $4K lmao (after doing the 100:1 migration)

MountainGrape6816

Just dumped losers ADA, DOT, ALGO, AAVE, ATOM, MANA. Needed some long term (since 2021) writeoffs for 2025 tax purposes to offset other gains. I held these way too long, because there was a lot of "don't be a paper-hands" bullying going on. Still holding POL/MATIC, LINK, AVAX, for now. These seem to still have at least some activity. They'll go in case i need more writeoffs in 2026, or if they make any kind of a comeback. But to be honest i don't have much interest in Alts any more. Anything i do, like ZCASH, will be relatively short term and I'll be quick to take profits and cut losses. I don't need any more skeletons in the closet

Fickle-Big5722

ETH + BTC should be core. Then look at maybe SOL, AAVE, SKY, HYPE

Firm_Benefit9517

so a couple of things i believe you should update on your post: | The amount is not huge - $10m, roughly one ninth of total Aave fees. Still, the principle matters. AAVE token holders do not benefit if fees accrue anywhere outside the DAO treasury. \- ESTIMATED 10M. until now was \~1M w/ paraswap.  | Other large holders abstained. And realistically, why would they vote against the founder? He is responsible for their gains and has the most skin in the game. \- they ABSTAINED mainly bc they wanted to repeat the vote... and looking at mz twitter they are going to do so. as the only outcome they will accept is YAE... | Days before the vote, he spent roughly $12M buying AAVE. I took a look at etherscan and snapshot.. those token weren't used to vote? | The vote happened, and Stani voted against the initiative, carrying about 33% of the voting power.  Was 33 at the beginning ,.looking at snapshot now it's 18.5% **IMHO what we should really be discussing**: The fee's the DAO were receiving never appeared on a proposal, and was just given by aavelabs voluntarily AFAIK? and posts from MZ and ezequiel seems to confirm that... ... SO why aci didn't propose to formalise these fees? being them the biggest voice for the aave holders? I mean I trust(ed) them a lot and I though this was already formalised on a proposal, not that was given voluntarily..... that's fuck up, and this should have been addressed at some point on the last 12 months at least! and not wait until aavelabs change it.. bc again aavelabs is a private company, if no agreement is in place they can do whatever they want... and I don't agree with this change, it should have been discussed first IMHO with the DAO AND don't get me wrong, bdg and aci have been extremely important for the protocol, but lately I'm seeing the same pattern of lying and lying trying to poison the narrative and create an animosity towards aave labs... ... and it's just harmful for the protocol..... what **we don't really need is some bullshit politicians trump-style around tbh,** and it's what I'm seeing lately. However the rhetoric "aavelabs steals funds that belong to the DAO"... has a better ring right? BUT under this circumstances is not a true statement. I mean on aci are not fucking stupid so I guess this scenario was exactly what they wanted? more rhetoric to attack aavelabs as we have seeing the past 18 months or so? that is why they didn't make any proposal for the dao to vote about the fee? .... i mean or it's this, or blatantly incompetency, and if they as the biggest voice for the aave holders can't even do a proposal to formalise the fees the dao were receiving, how are we going to trust them with IP/assets? cmon.. So the DAO itself, let me remind you, can't hold any assets. instead of doing a temp check **(bc I think it is is a legitimate discussion we need to have**) they put a half baked proposal.. if YAE was success wdyt would have happen? Another service provider (bdg or aci) would "need" take over those assets until a dao-managed-vehicle is created? as there is no such thing even proposed yet this is blatantly using the dao as a weapon to try to take over assets from a private company to another company?... wtf

ObviousEconomist

AAVE didn't kill it, just exposed it for what it is.

iOCharts_

beyond btc and eth, the projects i see most often in serious long-term portfolios are SOL, LINK, AR, OP, ATOM, AVAX, AAVE and MKR. they aren’t risk-free, but they solve real problems and already have users