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LUNA MANIACS | Launched few hours ago | Liquidity locked 400 days | Low marketcap | Audited | CMC-CG Imminent | Dev previous project - did 200X

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COMP and AAVE Price Prediction: DeFi Tokens Stand Their Ground

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COMP Price Analysis September 2022

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Reddit Inu New Alpha Trendy Project!! Ape Now Just Launched!

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REDDIT Inu

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Reddit Inu New Alpha Trendy Project!!

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Regulation could have prevented some of this…

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3 Altcoins That Stand Still Against the Crypto Crash: Is It Safe to Purchase RoboApe (RBA), Aave (AAVE), and Compound (COMP)?

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what happens to the value of my bridged token if the token bridge is hacked?

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What a green crypto Friday! Are we finally seeing a positive sentiment? COMP (+4.55%), APE (+3.09%) and GMT (+2.09%) showed the most active growth this week, and ZEC (-22.42%), HT (-22.35%) and MATIC (-22.35%) dropped down more than others. Bitcoin’s price is 19.5k and Ethereum's is $1k.

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What a green crypto Friday! Are we finally seeing a positive sentiment? COMP (+4.55%), APE (+3.09%) and GMT (+2.09%) showed the most active growth this week, and ZEC (-22.42%), HT (-22.35%) and MATIC (-22.35%) dropped down more than others. Bitcoin’s price is 19.5k and Ethereum's is $1k.

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Upgradable tokens

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When you did a tax extension but realized that crypto taxes are broken…

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When you did a tax extension but realized that crypto taxes are broken…

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6 months ago, Zhu Su of Three Arrow Capital claimed 100k ETH is dust for him. Today, he is selling 10 USDC, trying to pay off debt after his $20 BN fund imploded. Markets always humble those too arrogant

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The case of crypto adoption

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World’s Biggest Ethereum Whales Accumulate Aave, Compound and Four Additional Altcoins

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What is a Compound, How it works & How to exchange Compound?

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Utility Tokens Vrs Governance Tokens

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Compound on polygon network

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Kronos-Sale | Presale & Launch Next Week | $1300 Cro Giveaway! | Safe Crypto Launch Platform | Strong Community | Doxxed Devs | Massive Marketing | Cronos Blockchain | Innovation Inspired By The Gods

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Kronos-Sale | Presale & Launch Next Week | $1300 Cro Giveaway! | Safe Crypto Launch Pad | Doxxed & KYC | Trusted Team | Huge Marketing | Cronos Blockchain | Innovation Inspired By The Gods

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What are Governance Tokens and why they are hot.

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Compound Community Votes Against Ending COMP Rewards Program – crypto.news

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In-Depth Look at Compound (COMP)

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14th April: RUNE and COMP price digest

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My previous post currently aging like wine. Or at least as drinkable as 2 buck chuck.

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My precious post currently aging like a fine wine. Or at least as good as 2 buck chuck.

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Good, Bad, Ugly of Yield Farming

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Although the concept of liquidity mining has been around for a while, it has been tepid before. However, just after the decentralized finance (DeFi) protocol Compound launched a new mechanism and distributed its network governance token COMP to users, liquidity mining suddenly became popular.

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The Economics Design of AMPL Token

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Research actually shows US equity markets do well during rate hikes, crypto should be no different

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Does anyone have an opinion about the Compound coin?

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The Economics Design of AMPL Token

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2022 is likely to be a market for deep value investors. Even right now, as BTC is weak, some fundamentally strong coins are up 100% in a week. I think this trend will continue of undervalued coins catching up

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$TONIC The next AAVE/COMP is here on the Cronos Chain, currently only 2.57M market cap and only launched a week ago.

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$TONIC The next AAVE/COMP is here on the Cronos Chain, currently only 2.57M market cap and only launched 4 days ago.

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Aave (AAVE) vs. Compound (COMP) [2021]

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True Value of DeFi Coins

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Calculating Error on Portfolio? Help!

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Compound coin price prediction: can COMP reach $5,000 by 2026? Anyone bullish on COMP?

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Ways to Earn Yield on Your Crypto

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Got some spare crypto? Help clean the oceans!

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xToken – DeFi project that is upgrading its scale to an ecosystem ⬆️ Big updates releasing soon 📈 Low MCAP 🚀 Easy 100x potential 🚀 Strong backing from big names in DeFi 💎 $XTK

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🟢🔥500$ worth STORY SHILLING COMP - 15th Nov🔥🟢🟢

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Less than 20% of Compund's liquidity miners hold any COMP tokens at all

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Dive into the world of DeFi.

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Universe Protocol ($XYZ) an actually worthwhile moonshot

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Defi Plaza, a new DEX on Ethereum that is 2-3x cheaper in gas than any other ETH-based DEX!

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Hundred Finance (HND): an improved Compound (COMP)? Huge Upside!

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All this time I was never able to participate in Coinbase Earn - Until today (Germany)

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Buying a very small amount of COMP as a lottery ticket

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Novice Question: Normal fees and wallet choice?

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Is Pendle worth investing in?

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Getting rich with crypto the slow and safe way via compounding is better than getting rich quickly but get higher risks.

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Getting rich with crypto the slow and safe way via compounding is better than getting rich quick but get higher risks.

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DeFi versus CeFi lending: Which one is right for you?

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How to actually DYOR about DeFi and where to begin

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Hello fellow crypto nerds. I wanted to help anyone out by getting more coins in more pockets! Hopefully my teeny tiny advice can help someone go to the moon on a cheap coin or pay for takeout tonight.

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Compounds bug apparently bigger than thought; ~$150 million in COMP drained rather than $80 million as reported originally.

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COMP Tanks 8% After Facing Second Exploit In Less Than a Week, Drains $21 Million

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Compounding problems: $65m more COMP at risk as devs wait for time-locked bug fix

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This wallet just claimed $27 millions bec of the COMP bug

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Has everyone seen Compunds booboo?

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90m accidental payout due to bug (COMP)

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Altcoin Project Accidentally Sends $92,400,000 in Crypto to Investors. Founder Robert Leshner says that those who received a “large, incorrect” amount of Compound tokens (COMP) because of a bug should return the crypto assets. Otherwise, it will be reported as income to the Internal Revenue Service.

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Appalled and disgusted by Compound Finance founder threatening to call IRS and DOXX those who got lucky due to the protocols bugs

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DeFi Compound Founder Pleads and Threatens Users to Return $90M in COMP Mistakenly Sent

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Incase you missed it - Compound

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The 99% rule to maintain Crypto Karma

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Founder of $COMP Robert Leshner threatened people after they received a large, incorrect amount of $COMP from the Compound protocol error and then apologised after Community backlash

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Compound COMP exploit - a full breakdown

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DYOR is your best bet because information on a crypto as old as COMP is definitely out there. iirc (from like 2+ years ago) the governance/founder has taken the token in a poopy direction + lending/finance crypto is much more prevalent now a days that COMP is being passes up by time, age, and poor governance so the chances of a return to ATH is low.

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So does this mean MKR and COMP are better projects than AAVE?

Those are all good points. I understand nothing is safe. I think it has potential but you are right alts are very volatile. I like the idea of AAVE/COMP for alts I'm not gonna put 100% of my money into anything risky, not in YOLOing. I am dipping my toes and putting small sums in different alt projects. I have ADA, COMP, and a couple others. Some large, some small. Its money I can lose so I'm not worried about it. I'm not shilling it or asking you to invest in it. 90% of the money I have in Crypto is in ETH and BTC. To me, its like investing in a small/micro cap stocks. In stocks, I can look at financial reports and metrics which I understand. I like Fringe Finance BUT I guess my question is more broad over all alt coins/platforms. How do I separate something not legit from a genuine project? Especially smaller ones, not dog related coins/tokens.

ETH - MATIC - HOP - COMP - YFI - GNS and some LUNC for the lolz

#DEX Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by MrMoustacheMan which won 1st place in the DEX Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > #DEX - Con Argument > > Reusing my previous entry [from here](https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/pfos3j/rcc_cointest_general_concepts_dex_conarguments/hdw1d32/). > > *Disclosure - I currently hold several DEX governance tokens, ~5% of my current portfolio value* > > ##What are decentralized exchanges and automated market makers? > > * (1) Intro: https://decrypt.co/resources/what-is-decentralized-exchange-dex > > * (2) Vitalik's original Reddit post: https://np.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/55m04x/lets_run_onchain_decentralized_exchanges_the_way/ > > ##DEX caveats > > I'm extremely bullish on [DeFi](https://decrypt.co/resources/defi-ultimate-beginners-guide-decentralized-finance) and believe DEXs specifically hold great promise in terms of: reducing counterparty risk, preserving anonymity and removing barriers to entry for users looking to trade and earn yield. > > That being said, there are some tradeoffs and limitations of interacting with DEXs to be aware of: > > ##Yo dawg, I heard you like decentralization > > - Decentralization can refer [to the protocol itself or to the governance and development of the protocol/platform](https://miro.medium.com/max/1304/0*epCTOVyxEmQq-AiU). > > - [Decentralization is a spectrum](https://nopara73.medium.com/few-words-on-decentralization-and-anonymous-payments-160782d30b9e) rather than a binary distinction. So a DEX may be [decentralized in some ways but centralized in others](https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2018/07/23/decentralized-exchanges-arent-living-up-to-their-name-and-data-proves-it/). Governance and developer control of a platform, for example, can vary wildly: > > >“Some have large control over their direction, others are governed by venture capital investors, and others have broader communities that vote in changes like an open source project.” > \- [Lex Sokolin, CMO and Global Fintech Co-Head, ConsenSys](https://cryptonews.com/exclusives/why-defi-isn-t-always-as-decentralized-as-you-might-think-7695.htm) > > - Users in the [Uniswap Con Cointest thread](https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/og2r4t/rcryptocurrency_cointest_top_10_category_uniswap/) have articulated many of their concerns about whales and VC interests dominating UNI governance politics. > > - But I'll repeat the example of [Uniswap's unilateral decision to delist tokens](https://decrypt.co/76793/ethrereum-dex-uniswap-drops-tokenized-stocks-as-regulators-close-in) after facing regulatory scrutiny from the SEC. Even if a certain protocol is decentralized, the team can take actions to limit access. > > - Similarly, the DeFi community was not too pleased when Compound CEO Robert Leshner [threatened to doxx users](https://decrypt.co/82387/defi-community-blasts-compound-ceo-for-doxxed-comment) who didn't return COMP tokens after a protocol bug. > > - "Code is law. Unless we fuck up. Then we call the IRS on you." said [Blockstream CSO Samson Mow](https://nitter.com/Excellion/status/1443875126982840330). > > - Another concern would be seemingly decentralized platforms like Bancor having backdoors and the ability to freeze user funds ([which they did after a hack](https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/10/bancor-loses-23-5m/)). > > - [As LTC founder Charlie Lee stated](https://nitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/1016499756158234624): > > >"An exchange is not decentralized if it can lose customer funds OR if it can freeze customer funds. Bancor can do BOTH. It's a false sense of decentralization." > > - [Or, as DOGE founder Jackson Palmer commented](https://medium.datadriveninvestor.com/the-lessons-learned-from-a-false-sense-of-decentralization-875b8c2731a6): > > >“The key thing here is not the hack itself — it’s the fact the Bancor team had the ability to freeze funds. How many other “decentralized” DApps have a built-in kill switch that’s centrally controlled?” > > - In removing gatekeepers and intermediaries, DEXs and AMMs promise a more level financial playing field than the permissioned, opaque system of centralized finance. > > - However, even when governance of an open source platform is 'fair' and decentralized, DEX users are exposed to some of the same financial shenanigans inherent to CeFi, [such as front running](https://www.paradigm.xyz/2020/08/ethereum-is-a-dark-forest/). > > - There is no need for practices like [Robinhood's payment for order flow](https://web.archive.org/web/20210729220645/https://www.wsj.com/articles/robinhoods-debut-is-clouded-by-sec-scrutiny-of-payment-for-order-flow-11625655600) when trades are publicly broadcasted for the world to see: > > - "[Decentralized exchanges make it easier for anyone to exploit temporary market inefficiencies for a profit. In other words, it’s easier to front-run the market](https://blog.gnosis.pm/decentralized-exchanges-have-a-problem-7e6d81d91ba1)." > > > - "[Trades on decentralized exchanges \(DEX\) are sitting ducks while they remain idle in the processing queue. A small cohort of developers can and do take advantage of this lag time between hitting the trade button and the trade executing on-chain by front-running, back-running or 'sandwiching' a transaction.](https://www.yahoo.com/now/bad-sandwich-defi-trader-poisons-153336603.html)" > > > ##With mediocre UX comes great responsibility > > - DEXs are often not newbie friendly > > - There is a learning curve to self-custodying and creating a web wallet > > - Because of the immutability of blockchain transactions, it can be [easy for even savvy traders to learn an expensive lesson about human error](https://np.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/jo7lj2/help_needed_i_payed_235172_eth_9500_for_120/) > > - The process can be further intimidating when attempting to[ bridge assets on sidechains and L2s](https://ethhole.link/layer2) (and it is precisely smaller, newer traders who benefit most from[ lower fees](https://l2fees.info/)) > > - So it's not surprising that [many users - especially new market participants - would prefer to accept the counterparty risk of a custodial exchange](https://cointelegraph.com/news/coinbase-regains-1-position-on-apple-app-store-as-crypto-com-jumps-to-third) in return for a consumer oriented and streamlined user experience: > > - Given lack of KYC/AML, the majority of DEXs do not allow for onboarding/offboarding fiat and require users to touch a centralized exchange at some point if they want to get money in or out of 'the system'. > > - To go back to the Compound bug, Leshner clarified that his 'doxx' comment was in reference to DeFi users' interactions with centralized exchanges: > > > "[He said that anyone could identify the public Ethereum addresses that interact with the Compound protocol, and whether they engaged with popular exchanges like Coinbase that collect information about users.](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/04/business/dealbook/facebook-whistleblower-frances-haugen.html)" > > - Few DEXs natively offer the same level of trading functionality as centralized exchanges (e.g. limit orders, stop losses). > > - While centralized exchange users are primarily concerned with fees and spread, DEX users must also familiarize themselves with concepts like [slippage](https://academy.shrimpy.io/post/what-is-slippage-how-to-avoid-slippage-on-defi-exchanges) and [impermanent loss](https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/impermanent-loss-explained) > > - As the market becomes more saturated with DEX platforms and aggregators, it can be difficult for a lay user to evaluate competing promises of trustlessness and decentralization - or recognize when they're being exploited. > > - [Exit scams and rugpulls are prolific](https://decrypt.co/55787/defi-rug-pulls-were-cryptos-top-fraud-scheme-in-2020-ciphertrace) - newbies may find it challenging to verify if a DEX is legitimate, especially when dev teams are anonymous and many users lack technical proficiency to audit the protocol/smart contracts themselves. > > - While hacks and phishing risks aren't limited to DEXs, they expose [users to additional attack vectors](https://coinmarketcap.com/alexandria/article/how-to-identify-and-avoid-uniswap-scams): > > > - Given [the ease of creating \(copy/pasting\) and listing a token](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/business/hype-coins-cryptocurrency.html), it's no surprise that scamcoins abound on DEXs, many of which [spoof legitimacy](https://twitter.com/uniwhalesio/status/1357785710896545792). > > - E.g., [researchers identified over 10K scam tokens and scam liquidity pools on Uniswap V2](https://arxiv.org/abs/2109.00229). > > - Or check out [this recent attack which shows how Uniswap v3 liquidity pools can be manipulated](https://twitter.com/Mudit__Gupta/status/1455627465678749696). > > - More sinister is when [developers tweak the token contract to take your assets](https://twitter.com/r0bster97/status/1338182571558055937) or [remove a token's approval function](https://cryptot3ddybear.github.io/posts/scam-explained-bsc-noapproval/), preventing you from dumping the scamcoin you just bought. > ... ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/r6rt5n/general_concepts_round_dex_conarguments_december/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_DEX) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/z29in1/daily_general_discussion_november_23_2022_gmt0/).

What about MKR, AAVE, or COMP? They’re pretty big DeFi protocols.

#DEX Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by MrMoustacheMan which won 1st place in the DEX Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > #DEX - Con Argument > > Reusing my previous entry [from here](https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/pfos3j/rcc_cointest_general_concepts_dex_conarguments/hdw1d32/). > > *Disclosure - I currently hold several DEX governance tokens, ~5% of my current portfolio value* > > ##What are decentralized exchanges and automated market makers? > > * (1) Intro: https://decrypt.co/resources/what-is-decentralized-exchange-dex > > * (2) Vitalik's original Reddit post: https://np.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/55m04x/lets_run_onchain_decentralized_exchanges_the_way/ > > ##DEX caveats > > I'm extremely bullish on [DeFi](https://decrypt.co/resources/defi-ultimate-beginners-guide-decentralized-finance) and believe DEXs specifically hold great promise in terms of: reducing counterparty risk, preserving anonymity and removing barriers to entry for users looking to trade and earn yield. > > That being said, there are some tradeoffs and limitations of interacting with DEXs to be aware of: > > ##Yo dawg, I heard you like decentralization > > - Decentralization can refer [to the protocol itself or to the governance and development of the protocol/platform](https://miro.medium.com/max/1304/0*epCTOVyxEmQq-AiU). > > - [Decentralization is a spectrum](https://nopara73.medium.com/few-words-on-decentralization-and-anonymous-payments-160782d30b9e) rather than a binary distinction. So a DEX may be [decentralized in some ways but centralized in others](https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2018/07/23/decentralized-exchanges-arent-living-up-to-their-name-and-data-proves-it/). Governance and developer control of a platform, for example, can vary wildly: > > >“Some have large control over their direction, others are governed by venture capital investors, and others have broader communities that vote in changes like an open source project.” > \- [Lex Sokolin, CMO and Global Fintech Co-Head, ConsenSys](https://cryptonews.com/exclusives/why-defi-isn-t-always-as-decentralized-as-you-might-think-7695.htm) > > - Users in the [Uniswap Con Cointest thread](https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/og2r4t/rcryptocurrency_cointest_top_10_category_uniswap/) have articulated many of their concerns about whales and VC interests dominating UNI governance politics. > > - But I'll repeat the example of [Uniswap's unilateral decision to delist tokens](https://decrypt.co/76793/ethrereum-dex-uniswap-drops-tokenized-stocks-as-regulators-close-in) after facing regulatory scrutiny from the SEC. Even if a certain protocol is decentralized, the team can take actions to limit access. > > - Similarly, the DeFi community was not too pleased when Compound CEO Robert Leshner [threatened to doxx users](https://decrypt.co/82387/defi-community-blasts-compound-ceo-for-doxxed-comment) who didn't return COMP tokens after a protocol bug. > > - "Code is law. Unless we fuck up. Then we call the IRS on you." said [Blockstream CSO Samson Mow](https://nitter.com/Excellion/status/1443875126982840330). > > - Another concern would be seemingly decentralized platforms like Bancor having backdoors and the ability to freeze user funds ([which they did after a hack](https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/10/bancor-loses-23-5m/)). > > - [As LTC founder Charlie Lee stated](https://nitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/1016499756158234624): > > >"An exchange is not decentralized if it can lose customer funds OR if it can freeze customer funds. Bancor can do BOTH. It's a false sense of decentralization." > > - [Or, as DOGE founder Jackson Palmer commented](https://medium.datadriveninvestor.com/the-lessons-learned-from-a-false-sense-of-decentralization-875b8c2731a6): > > >“The key thing here is not the hack itself — it’s the fact the Bancor team had the ability to freeze funds. How many other “decentralized” DApps have a built-in kill switch that’s centrally controlled?” > > - In removing gatekeepers and intermediaries, DEXs and AMMs promise a more level financial playing field than the permissioned, opaque system of centralized finance. > > - However, even when governance of an open source platform is 'fair' and decentralized, DEX users are exposed to some of the same financial shenanigans inherent to CeFi, [such as front running](https://www.paradigm.xyz/2020/08/ethereum-is-a-dark-forest/). > > - There is no need for practices like [Robinhood's payment for order flow](https://web.archive.org/web/20210729220645/https://www.wsj.com/articles/robinhoods-debut-is-clouded-by-sec-scrutiny-of-payment-for-order-flow-11625655600) when trades are publicly broadcasted for the world to see: > > - "[Decentralized exchanges make it easier for anyone to exploit temporary market inefficiencies for a profit. In other words, it’s easier to front-run the market](https://blog.gnosis.pm/decentralized-exchanges-have-a-problem-7e6d81d91ba1)." > > > - "[Trades on decentralized exchanges \(DEX\) are sitting ducks while they remain idle in the processing queue. A small cohort of developers can and do take advantage of this lag time between hitting the trade button and the trade executing on-chain by front-running, back-running or 'sandwiching' a transaction.](https://www.yahoo.com/now/bad-sandwich-defi-trader-poisons-153336603.html)" > > > ##With mediocre UX comes great responsibility > > - DEXs are often not newbie friendly > > - There is a learning curve to self-custodying and creating a web wallet > > - Because of the immutability of blockchain transactions, it can be [easy for even savvy traders to learn an expensive lesson about human error](https://np.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/jo7lj2/help_needed_i_payed_235172_eth_9500_for_120/) > > - The process can be further intimidating when attempting to[ bridge assets on sidechains and L2s](https://ethhole.link/layer2) (and it is precisely smaller, newer traders who benefit most from[ lower fees](https://l2fees.info/)) > > - So it's not surprising that [many users - especially new market participants - would prefer to accept the counterparty risk of a custodial exchange](https://cointelegraph.com/news/coinbase-regains-1-position-on-apple-app-store-as-crypto-com-jumps-to-third) in return for a consumer oriented and streamlined user experience: > > - Given lack of KYC/AML, the majority of DEXs do not allow for onboarding/offboarding fiat and require users to touch a centralized exchange at some point if they want to get money in or out of 'the system'. > > - To go back to the Compound bug, Leshner clarified that his 'doxx' comment was in reference to DeFi users' interactions with centralized exchanges: > > > "[He said that anyone could identify the public Ethereum addresses that interact with the Compound protocol, and whether they engaged with popular exchanges like Coinbase that collect information about users.](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/04/business/dealbook/facebook-whistleblower-frances-haugen.html)" > > - Few DEXs natively offer the same level of trading functionality as centralized exchanges (e.g. limit orders, stop losses). > > - While centralized exchange users are primarily concerned with fees and spread, DEX users must also familiarize themselves with concepts like [slippage](https://academy.shrimpy.io/post/what-is-slippage-how-to-avoid-slippage-on-defi-exchanges) and [impermanent loss](https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/impermanent-loss-explained) > > - As the market becomes more saturated with DEX platforms and aggregators, it can be difficult for a lay user to evaluate competing promises of trustlessness and decentralization - or recognize when they're being exploited. > > - [Exit scams and rugpulls are prolific](https://decrypt.co/55787/defi-rug-pulls-were-cryptos-top-fraud-scheme-in-2020-ciphertrace) - newbies may find it challenging to verify if a DEX is legitimate, especially when dev teams are anonymous and many users lack technical proficiency to audit the protocol/smart contracts themselves. > > - While hacks and phishing risks aren't limited to DEXs, they expose [users to additional attack vectors](https://coinmarketcap.com/alexandria/article/how-to-identify-and-avoid-uniswap-scams): > > > - Given [the ease of creating \(copy/pasting\) and listing a token](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/business/hype-coins-cryptocurrency.html), it's no surprise that scamcoins abound on DEXs, many of which [spoof legitimacy](https://twitter.com/uniwhalesio/status/1357785710896545792). > > - E.g., [researchers identified over 10K scam tokens and scam liquidity pools on Uniswap V2](https://arxiv.org/abs/2109.00229). > > - Or check out [this recent attack which shows how Uniswap v3 liquidity pools can be manipulated](https://twitter.com/Mudit__Gupta/status/1455627465678749696). > > - More sinister is when [developers tweak the token contract to take your assets](https://twitter.com/r0bster97/status/1338182571558055937) or [remove a token's approval function](https://cryptot3ddybear.github.io/posts/scam-explained-bsc-noapproval/), preventing you from dumping the scamcoin you just bought. > ... ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/r6rt5n/general_concepts_round_dex_conarguments_december/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_DEX) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/z1empq/daily_general_discussion_november_22_2022_gmt0/).

EGLD is great but has stupid marketing. AAVE is DeFi and doesn't offer unrealistic yields to tempt in the degens. Rarely hear COMP, MKR, etc. mentioned here either.

#DEX Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by MrMoustacheMan which won 1st place in the DEX Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > #DEX - Con Argument > > Reusing my previous entry [from here](https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/pfos3j/rcc_cointest_general_concepts_dex_conarguments/hdw1d32/). > > *Disclosure - I currently hold several DEX governance tokens, ~5% of my current portfolio value* > > ##What are decentralized exchanges and automated market makers? > > * (1) Intro: https://decrypt.co/resources/what-is-decentralized-exchange-dex > > * (2) Vitalik's original Reddit post: https://np.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/55m04x/lets_run_onchain_decentralized_exchanges_the_way/ > > ##DEX caveats > > I'm extremely bullish on [DeFi](https://decrypt.co/resources/defi-ultimate-beginners-guide-decentralized-finance) and believe DEXs specifically hold great promise in terms of: reducing counterparty risk, preserving anonymity and removing barriers to entry for users looking to trade and earn yield. > > That being said, there are some tradeoffs and limitations of interacting with DEXs to be aware of: > > ##Yo dawg, I heard you like decentralization > > - Decentralization can refer [to the protocol itself or to the governance and development of the protocol/platform](https://miro.medium.com/max/1304/0*epCTOVyxEmQq-AiU). > > - [Decentralization is a spectrum](https://nopara73.medium.com/few-words-on-decentralization-and-anonymous-payments-160782d30b9e) rather than a binary distinction. So a DEX may be [decentralized in some ways but centralized in others](https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2018/07/23/decentralized-exchanges-arent-living-up-to-their-name-and-data-proves-it/). Governance and developer control of a platform, for example, can vary wildly: > > >“Some have large control over their direction, others are governed by venture capital investors, and others have broader communities that vote in changes like an open source project.” > \- [Lex Sokolin, CMO and Global Fintech Co-Head, ConsenSys](https://cryptonews.com/exclusives/why-defi-isn-t-always-as-decentralized-as-you-might-think-7695.htm) > > - Users in the [Uniswap Con Cointest thread](https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/og2r4t/rcryptocurrency_cointest_top_10_category_uniswap/) have articulated many of their concerns about whales and VC interests dominating UNI governance politics. > > - But I'll repeat the example of [Uniswap's unilateral decision to delist tokens](https://decrypt.co/76793/ethrereum-dex-uniswap-drops-tokenized-stocks-as-regulators-close-in) after facing regulatory scrutiny from the SEC. Even if a certain protocol is decentralized, the team can take actions to limit access. > > - Similarly, the DeFi community was not too pleased when Compound CEO Robert Leshner [threatened to doxx users](https://decrypt.co/82387/defi-community-blasts-compound-ceo-for-doxxed-comment) who didn't return COMP tokens after a protocol bug. > > - "Code is law. Unless we fuck up. Then we call the IRS on you." said [Blockstream CSO Samson Mow](https://nitter.com/Excellion/status/1443875126982840330). > > - Another concern would be seemingly decentralized platforms like Bancor having backdoors and the ability to freeze user funds ([which they did after a hack](https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/10/bancor-loses-23-5m/)). > > - [As LTC founder Charlie Lee stated](https://nitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/1016499756158234624): > > >"An exchange is not decentralized if it can lose customer funds OR if it can freeze customer funds. Bancor can do BOTH. It's a false sense of decentralization." > > - [Or, as DOGE founder Jackson Palmer commented](https://medium.datadriveninvestor.com/the-lessons-learned-from-a-false-sense-of-decentralization-875b8c2731a6): > > >“The key thing here is not the hack itself — it’s the fact the Bancor team had the ability to freeze funds. How many other “decentralized” DApps have a built-in kill switch that’s centrally controlled?” > > - In removing gatekeepers and intermediaries, DEXs and AMMs promise a more level financial playing field than the permissioned, opaque system of centralized finance. > > - However, even when governance of an open source platform is 'fair' and decentralized, DEX users are exposed to some of the same financial shenanigans inherent to CeFi, [such as front running](https://www.paradigm.xyz/2020/08/ethereum-is-a-dark-forest/). > > - There is no need for practices like [Robinhood's payment for order flow](https://web.archive.org/web/20210729220645/https://www.wsj.com/articles/robinhoods-debut-is-clouded-by-sec-scrutiny-of-payment-for-order-flow-11625655600) when trades are publicly broadcasted for the world to see: > > - "[Decentralized exchanges make it easier for anyone to exploit temporary market inefficiencies for a profit. In other words, it’s easier to front-run the market](https://blog.gnosis.pm/decentralized-exchanges-have-a-problem-7e6d81d91ba1)." > > > - "[Trades on decentralized exchanges \(DEX\) are sitting ducks while they remain idle in the processing queue. A small cohort of developers can and do take advantage of this lag time between hitting the trade button and the trade executing on-chain by front-running, back-running or 'sandwiching' a transaction.](https://www.yahoo.com/now/bad-sandwich-defi-trader-poisons-153336603.html)" > > > ##With mediocre UX comes great responsibility > > - DEXs are often not newbie friendly > > - There is a learning curve to self-custodying and creating a web wallet > > - Because of the immutability of blockchain transactions, it can be [easy for even savvy traders to learn an expensive lesson about human error](https://np.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/jo7lj2/help_needed_i_payed_235172_eth_9500_for_120/) > > - The process can be further intimidating when attempting to[ bridge assets on sidechains and L2s](https://ethhole.link/layer2) (and it is precisely smaller, newer traders who benefit most from[ lower fees](https://l2fees.info/)) > > - So it's not surprising that [many users - especially new market participants - would prefer to accept the counterparty risk of a custodial exchange](https://cointelegraph.com/news/coinbase-regains-1-position-on-apple-app-store-as-crypto-com-jumps-to-third) in return for a consumer oriented and streamlined user experience: > > - Given lack of KYC/AML, the majority of DEXs do not allow for onboarding/offboarding fiat and require users to touch a centralized exchange at some point if they want to get money in or out of 'the system'. > > - To go back to the Compound bug, Leshner clarified that his 'doxx' comment was in reference to DeFi users' interactions with centralized exchanges: > > > "[He said that anyone could identify the public Ethereum addresses that interact with the Compound protocol, and whether they engaged with popular exchanges like Coinbase that collect information about users.](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/04/business/dealbook/facebook-whistleblower-frances-haugen.html)" > > - Few DEXs natively offer the same level of trading functionality as centralized exchanges (e.g. limit orders, stop losses). > > - While centralized exchange users are primarily concerned with fees and spread, DEX users must also familiarize themselves with concepts like [slippage](https://academy.shrimpy.io/post/what-is-slippage-how-to-avoid-slippage-on-defi-exchanges) and [impermanent loss](https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/impermanent-loss-explained) > > - As the market becomes more saturated with DEX platforms and aggregators, it can be difficult for a lay user to evaluate competing promises of trustlessness and decentralization - or recognize when they're being exploited. > > - [Exit scams and rugpulls are prolific](https://decrypt.co/55787/defi-rug-pulls-were-cryptos-top-fraud-scheme-in-2020-ciphertrace) - newbies may find it challenging to verify if a DEX is legitimate, especially when dev teams are anonymous and many users lack technical proficiency to audit the protocol/smart contracts themselves. > > - While hacks and phishing risks aren't limited to DEXs, they expose [users to additional attack vectors](https://coinmarketcap.com/alexandria/article/how-to-identify-and-avoid-uniswap-scams): > > > - Given [the ease of creating \(copy/pasting\) and listing a token](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/business/hype-coins-cryptocurrency.html), it's no surprise that scamcoins abound on DEXs, many of which [spoof legitimacy](https://twitter.com/uniwhalesio/status/1357785710896545792). > > - E.g., [researchers identified over 10K scam tokens and scam liquidity pools on Uniswap V2](https://arxiv.org/abs/2109.00229). > > - Or check out [this recent attack which shows how Uniswap v3 liquidity pools can be manipulated](https://twitter.com/Mudit__Gupta/status/1455627465678749696). > > - More sinister is when [developers tweak the token contract to take your assets](https://twitter.com/r0bster97/status/1338182571558055937) or [remove a token's approval function](https://cryptot3ddybear.github.io/posts/scam-explained-bsc-noapproval/), preventing you from dumping the scamcoin you just bought. > ... ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/r6rt5n/general_concepts_round_dex_conarguments_december/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_DEX) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/yxakfo/daily_general_discussion_november_17_2022_gmt0/).

#DEX Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by MrMoustacheMan which won 1st place in the DEX Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > #DEX - Con Argument > > Reusing my previous entry [from here](https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/pfos3j/rcc_cointest_general_concepts_dex_conarguments/hdw1d32/). > > *Disclosure - I currently hold several DEX governance tokens, ~5% of my current portfolio value* > > ##What are decentralized exchanges and automated market makers? > > * (1) Intro: https://decrypt.co/resources/what-is-decentralized-exchange-dex > > * (2) Vitalik's original Reddit post: https://np.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/55m04x/lets_run_onchain_decentralized_exchanges_the_way/ > > ##DEX caveats > > I'm extremely bullish on [DeFi](https://decrypt.co/resources/defi-ultimate-beginners-guide-decentralized-finance) and believe DEXs specifically hold great promise in terms of: reducing counterparty risk, preserving anonymity and removing barriers to entry for users looking to trade and earn yield. > > That being said, there are some tradeoffs and limitations of interacting with DEXs to be aware of: > > ##Yo dawg, I heard you like decentralization > > - Decentralization can refer [to the protocol itself or to the governance and development of the protocol/platform](https://miro.medium.com/max/1304/0*epCTOVyxEmQq-AiU). > > - [Decentralization is a spectrum](https://nopara73.medium.com/few-words-on-decentralization-and-anonymous-payments-160782d30b9e) rather than a binary distinction. So a DEX may be [decentralized in some ways but centralized in others](https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2018/07/23/decentralized-exchanges-arent-living-up-to-their-name-and-data-proves-it/). Governance and developer control of a platform, for example, can vary wildly: > > >“Some have large control over their direction, others are governed by venture capital investors, and others have broader communities that vote in changes like an open source project.” > \- [Lex Sokolin, CMO and Global Fintech Co-Head, ConsenSys](https://cryptonews.com/exclusives/why-defi-isn-t-always-as-decentralized-as-you-might-think-7695.htm) > > - Users in the [Uniswap Con Cointest thread](https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/og2r4t/rcryptocurrency_cointest_top_10_category_uniswap/) have articulated many of their concerns about whales and VC interests dominating UNI governance politics. > > - But I'll repeat the example of [Uniswap's unilateral decision to delist tokens](https://decrypt.co/76793/ethrereum-dex-uniswap-drops-tokenized-stocks-as-regulators-close-in) after facing regulatory scrutiny from the SEC. Even if a certain protocol is decentralized, the team can take actions to limit access. > > - Similarly, the DeFi community was not too pleased when Compound CEO Robert Leshner [threatened to doxx users](https://decrypt.co/82387/defi-community-blasts-compound-ceo-for-doxxed-comment) who didn't return COMP tokens after a protocol bug. > > - "Code is law. Unless we fuck up. Then we call the IRS on you." said [Blockstream CSO Samson Mow](https://nitter.com/Excellion/status/1443875126982840330). > > - Another concern would be seemingly decentralized platforms like Bancor having backdoors and the ability to freeze user funds ([which they did after a hack](https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/10/bancor-loses-23-5m/)). > > - [As LTC founder Charlie Lee stated](https://nitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/1016499756158234624): > > >"An exchange is not decentralized if it can lose customer funds OR if it can freeze customer funds. Bancor can do BOTH. It's a false sense of decentralization." > > - [Or, as DOGE founder Jackson Palmer commented](https://medium.datadriveninvestor.com/the-lessons-learned-from-a-false-sense-of-decentralization-875b8c2731a6): > > >“The key thing here is not the hack itself — it’s the fact the Bancor team had the ability to freeze funds. How many other “decentralized” DApps have a built-in kill switch that’s centrally controlled?” > > - In removing gatekeepers and intermediaries, DEXs and AMMs promise a more level financial playing field than the permissioned, opaque system of centralized finance. > > - However, even when governance of an open source platform is 'fair' and decentralized, DEX users are exposed to some of the same financial shenanigans inherent to CeFi, [such as front running](https://www.paradigm.xyz/2020/08/ethereum-is-a-dark-forest/). > > - There is no need for practices like [Robinhood's payment for order flow](https://web.archive.org/web/20210729220645/https://www.wsj.com/articles/robinhoods-debut-is-clouded-by-sec-scrutiny-of-payment-for-order-flow-11625655600) when trades are publicly broadcasted for the world to see: > > - "[Decentralized exchanges make it easier for anyone to exploit temporary market inefficiencies for a profit. In other words, it’s easier to front-run the market](https://blog.gnosis.pm/decentralized-exchanges-have-a-problem-7e6d81d91ba1)." > > > - "[Trades on decentralized exchanges \(DEX\) are sitting ducks while they remain idle in the processing queue. A small cohort of developers can and do take advantage of this lag time between hitting the trade button and the trade executing on-chain by front-running, back-running or 'sandwiching' a transaction.](https://www.yahoo.com/now/bad-sandwich-defi-trader-poisons-153336603.html)" > > > ##With mediocre UX comes great responsibility > > - DEXs are often not newbie friendly > > - There is a learning curve to self-custodying and creating a web wallet > > - Because of the immutability of blockchain transactions, it can be [easy for even savvy traders to learn an expensive lesson about human error](https://np.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/jo7lj2/help_needed_i_payed_235172_eth_9500_for_120/) > > - The process can be further intimidating when attempting to[ bridge assets on sidechains and L2s](https://ethhole.link/layer2) (and it is precisely smaller, newer traders who benefit most from[ lower fees](https://l2fees.info/)) > > - So it's not surprising that [many users - especially new market participants - would prefer to accept the counterparty risk of a custodial exchange](https://cointelegraph.com/news/coinbase-regains-1-position-on-apple-app-store-as-crypto-com-jumps-to-third) in return for a consumer oriented and streamlined user experience: > > - Given lack of KYC/AML, the majority of DEXs do not allow for onboarding/offboarding fiat and require users to touch a centralized exchange at some point if they want to get money in or out of 'the system'. > > - To go back to the Compound bug, Leshner clarified that his 'doxx' comment was in reference to DeFi users' interactions with centralized exchanges: > > > "[He said that anyone could identify the public Ethereum addresses that interact with the Compound protocol, and whether they engaged with popular exchanges like Coinbase that collect information about users.](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/04/business/dealbook/facebook-whistleblower-frances-haugen.html)" > > - Few DEXs natively offer the same level of trading functionality as centralized exchanges (e.g. limit orders, stop losses). > > - While centralized exchange users are primarily concerned with fees and spread, DEX users must also familiarize themselves with concepts like [slippage](https://academy.shrimpy.io/post/what-is-slippage-how-to-avoid-slippage-on-defi-exchanges) and [impermanent loss](https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/impermanent-loss-explained) > > - As the market becomes more saturated with DEX platforms and aggregators, it can be difficult for a lay user to evaluate competing promises of trustlessness and decentralization - or recognize when they're being exploited. > > - [Exit scams and rugpulls are prolific](https://decrypt.co/55787/defi-rug-pulls-were-cryptos-top-fraud-scheme-in-2020-ciphertrace) - newbies may find it challenging to verify if a DEX is legitimate, especially when dev teams are anonymous and many users lack technical proficiency to audit the protocol/smart contracts themselves. > > - While hacks and phishing risks aren't limited to DEXs, they expose [users to additional attack vectors](https://coinmarketcap.com/alexandria/article/how-to-identify-and-avoid-uniswap-scams): > > > - Given [the ease of creating \(copy/pasting\) and listing a token](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/business/hype-coins-cryptocurrency.html), it's no surprise that scamcoins abound on DEXs, many of which [spoof legitimacy](https://twitter.com/uniwhalesio/status/1357785710896545792). > > - E.g., [researchers identified over 10K scam tokens and scam liquidity pools on Uniswap V2](https://arxiv.org/abs/2109.00229). > > - Or check out [this recent attack which shows how Uniswap v3 liquidity pools can be manipulated](https://twitter.com/Mudit__Gupta/status/1455627465678749696). > > - More sinister is when [developers tweak the token contract to take your assets](https://twitter.com/r0bster97/status/1338182571558055937) or [remove a token's approval function](https://cryptot3ddybear.github.io/posts/scam-explained-bsc-noapproval/), preventing you from dumping the scamcoin you just bought. > ... ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/r6rt5n/general_concepts_round_dex_conarguments_december/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_DEX) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/yuj5a2/daily_general_discussion_november_14_2022_gmt0/).

#DEX Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by MrMoustacheMan which won 1st place in the DEX Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > #DEX - Con Argument > > Reusing my previous entry [from here](https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/pfos3j/rcc_cointest_general_concepts_dex_conarguments/hdw1d32/). > > *Disclosure - I currently hold several DEX governance tokens, ~5% of my current portfolio value* > > ##What are decentralized exchanges and automated market makers? > > * (1) Intro: https://decrypt.co/resources/what-is-decentralized-exchange-dex > > * (2) Vitalik's original Reddit post: https://np.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/55m04x/lets_run_onchain_decentralized_exchanges_the_way/ > > ##DEX caveats > > I'm extremely bullish on [DeFi](https://decrypt.co/resources/defi-ultimate-beginners-guide-decentralized-finance) and believe DEXs specifically hold great promise in terms of: reducing counterparty risk, preserving anonymity and removing barriers to entry for users looking to trade and earn yield. > > That being said, there are some tradeoffs and limitations of interacting with DEXs to be aware of: > > ##Yo dawg, I heard you like decentralization > > - Decentralization can refer [to the protocol itself or to the governance and development of the protocol/platform](https://miro.medium.com/max/1304/0*epCTOVyxEmQq-AiU). > > - [Decentralization is a spectrum](https://nopara73.medium.com/few-words-on-decentralization-and-anonymous-payments-160782d30b9e) rather than a binary distinction. So a DEX may be [decentralized in some ways but centralized in others](https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2018/07/23/decentralized-exchanges-arent-living-up-to-their-name-and-data-proves-it/). Governance and developer control of a platform, for example, can vary wildly: > > >“Some have large control over their direction, others are governed by venture capital investors, and others have broader communities that vote in changes like an open source project.” > \- [Lex Sokolin, CMO and Global Fintech Co-Head, ConsenSys](https://cryptonews.com/exclusives/why-defi-isn-t-always-as-decentralized-as-you-might-think-7695.htm) > > - Users in the [Uniswap Con Cointest thread](https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/og2r4t/rcryptocurrency_cointest_top_10_category_uniswap/) have articulated many of their concerns about whales and VC interests dominating UNI governance politics. > > - But I'll repeat the example of [Uniswap's unilateral decision to delist tokens](https://decrypt.co/76793/ethrereum-dex-uniswap-drops-tokenized-stocks-as-regulators-close-in) after facing regulatory scrutiny from the SEC. Even if a certain protocol is decentralized, the team can take actions to limit access. > > - Similarly, the DeFi community was not too pleased when Compound CEO Robert Leshner [threatened to doxx users](https://decrypt.co/82387/defi-community-blasts-compound-ceo-for-doxxed-comment) who didn't return COMP tokens after a protocol bug. > > - "Code is law. Unless we fuck up. Then we call the IRS on you." said [Blockstream CSO Samson Mow](https://nitter.com/Excellion/status/1443875126982840330). > > - Another concern would be seemingly decentralized platforms like Bancor having backdoors and the ability to freeze user funds ([which they did after a hack](https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/10/bancor-loses-23-5m/)). > > - [As LTC founder Charlie Lee stated](https://nitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/1016499756158234624): > > >"An exchange is not decentralized if it can lose customer funds OR if it can freeze customer funds. Bancor can do BOTH. It's a false sense of decentralization." > > - [Or, as DOGE founder Jackson Palmer commented](https://medium.datadriveninvestor.com/the-lessons-learned-from-a-false-sense-of-decentralization-875b8c2731a6): > > >“The key thing here is not the hack itself — it’s the fact the Bancor team had the ability to freeze funds. How many other “decentralized” DApps have a built-in kill switch that’s centrally controlled?” > > - In removing gatekeepers and intermediaries, DEXs and AMMs promise a more level financial playing field than the permissioned, opaque system of centralized finance. > > - However, even when governance of an open source platform is 'fair' and decentralized, DEX users are exposed to some of the same financial shenanigans inherent to CeFi, [such as front running](https://www.paradigm.xyz/2020/08/ethereum-is-a-dark-forest/). > > - There is no need for practices like [Robinhood's payment for order flow](https://web.archive.org/web/20210729220645/https://www.wsj.com/articles/robinhoods-debut-is-clouded-by-sec-scrutiny-of-payment-for-order-flow-11625655600) when trades are publicly broadcasted for the world to see: > > - "[Decentralized exchanges make it easier for anyone to exploit temporary market inefficiencies for a profit. In other words, it’s easier to front-run the market](https://blog.gnosis.pm/decentralized-exchanges-have-a-problem-7e6d81d91ba1)." > > > - "[Trades on decentralized exchanges \(DEX\) are sitting ducks while they remain idle in the processing queue. A small cohort of developers can and do take advantage of this lag time between hitting the trade button and the trade executing on-chain by front-running, back-running or 'sandwiching' a transaction.](https://www.yahoo.com/now/bad-sandwich-defi-trader-poisons-153336603.html)" > > > ##With mediocre UX comes great responsibility > > - DEXs are often not newbie friendly > > - There is a learning curve to self-custodying and creating a web wallet > > - Because of the immutability of blockchain transactions, it can be [easy for even savvy traders to learn an expensive lesson about human error](https://np.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/jo7lj2/help_needed_i_payed_235172_eth_9500_for_120/) > > - The process can be further intimidating when attempting to[ bridge assets on sidechains and L2s](https://ethhole.link/layer2) (and it is precisely smaller, newer traders who benefit most from[ lower fees](https://l2fees.info/)) > > - So it's not surprising that [many users - especially new market participants - would prefer to accept the counterparty risk of a custodial exchange](https://cointelegraph.com/news/coinbase-regains-1-position-on-apple-app-store-as-crypto-com-jumps-to-third) in return for a consumer oriented and streamlined user experience: > > - Given lack of KYC/AML, the majority of DEXs do not allow for onboarding/offboarding fiat and require users to touch a centralized exchange at some point if they want to get money in or out of 'the system'. > > - To go back to the Compound bug, Leshner clarified that his 'doxx' comment was in reference to DeFi users' interactions with centralized exchanges: > > > "[He said that anyone could identify the public Ethereum addresses that interact with the Compound protocol, and whether they engaged with popular exchanges like Coinbase that collect information about users.](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/04/business/dealbook/facebook-whistleblower-frances-haugen.html)" > > - Few DEXs natively offer the same level of trading functionality as centralized exchanges (e.g. limit orders, stop losses). > > - While centralized exchange users are primarily concerned with fees and spread, DEX users must also familiarize themselves with concepts like [slippage](https://academy.shrimpy.io/post/what-is-slippage-how-to-avoid-slippage-on-defi-exchanges) and [impermanent loss](https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/impermanent-loss-explained) > > - As the market becomes more saturated with DEX platforms and aggregators, it can be difficult for a lay user to evaluate competing promises of trustlessness and decentralization - or recognize when they're being exploited. > > - [Exit scams and rugpulls are prolific](https://decrypt.co/55787/defi-rug-pulls-were-cryptos-top-fraud-scheme-in-2020-ciphertrace) - newbies may find it challenging to verify if a DEX is legitimate, especially when dev teams are anonymous and many users lack technical proficiency to audit the protocol/smart contracts themselves. > > - While hacks and phishing risks aren't limited to DEXs, they expose [users to additional attack vectors](https://coinmarketcap.com/alexandria/article/how-to-identify-and-avoid-uniswap-scams): > > > - Given [the ease of creating \(copy/pasting\) and listing a token](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/business/hype-coins-cryptocurrency.html), it's no surprise that scamcoins abound on DEXs, many of which [spoof legitimacy](https://twitter.com/uniwhalesio/status/1357785710896545792). > > - E.g., [researchers identified over 10K scam tokens and scam liquidity pools on Uniswap V2](https://arxiv.org/abs/2109.00229). > > - Or check out [this recent attack which shows how Uniswap v3 liquidity pools can be manipulated](https://twitter.com/Mudit__Gupta/status/1455627465678749696). > > - More sinister is when [developers tweak the token contract to take your assets](https://twitter.com/r0bster97/status/1338182571558055937) or [remove a token's approval function](https://cryptot3ddybear.github.io/posts/scam-explained-bsc-noapproval/), preventing you from dumping the scamcoin you just bought. > ... ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/r6rt5n/general_concepts_round_dex_conarguments_december/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_DEX) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/yrvt2z/daily_general_discussion_november_11_2022_gmt0/).

I've noticed this too several times before. COMP usually does the same. But i also don't know why..

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#DEX Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by MrMoustacheMan which won 1st place in the DEX Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > #DEX - Con Argument > > Reusing my previous entry [from here](https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/pfos3j/rcc_cointest_general_concepts_dex_conarguments/hdw1d32/). > > *Disclosure - I currently hold several DEX governance tokens, ~5% of my current portfolio value* > > ##What are decentralized exchanges and automated market makers? > > * (1) Intro: https://decrypt.co/resources/what-is-decentralized-exchange-dex > > * (2) Vitalik's original Reddit post: https://np.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/55m04x/lets_run_onchain_decentralized_exchanges_the_way/ > > ##DEX caveats > > I'm extremely bullish on [DeFi](https://decrypt.co/resources/defi-ultimate-beginners-guide-decentralized-finance) and believe DEXs specifically hold great promise in terms of: reducing counterparty risk, preserving anonymity and removing barriers to entry for users looking to trade and earn yield. > > That being said, there are some tradeoffs and limitations of interacting with DEXs to be aware of: > > ##Yo dawg, I heard you like decentralization > > - Decentralization can refer [to the protocol itself or to the governance and development of the protocol/platform](https://miro.medium.com/max/1304/0*epCTOVyxEmQq-AiU). > > - [Decentralization is a spectrum](https://nopara73.medium.com/few-words-on-decentralization-and-anonymous-payments-160782d30b9e) rather than a binary distinction. So a DEX may be [decentralized in some ways but centralized in others](https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2018/07/23/decentralized-exchanges-arent-living-up-to-their-name-and-data-proves-it/). Governance and developer control of a platform, for example, can vary wildly: > > >“Some have large control over their direction, others are governed by venture capital investors, and others have broader communities that vote in changes like an open source project.” > \- [Lex Sokolin, CMO and Global Fintech Co-Head, ConsenSys](https://cryptonews.com/exclusives/why-defi-isn-t-always-as-decentralized-as-you-might-think-7695.htm) > > - Users in the [Uniswap Con Cointest thread](https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/og2r4t/rcryptocurrency_cointest_top_10_category_uniswap/) have articulated many of their concerns about whales and VC interests dominating UNI governance politics. > > - But I'll repeat the example of [Uniswap's unilateral decision to delist tokens](https://decrypt.co/76793/ethrereum-dex-uniswap-drops-tokenized-stocks-as-regulators-close-in) after facing regulatory scrutiny from the SEC. Even if a certain protocol is decentralized, the team can take actions to limit access. > > - Similarly, the DeFi community was not too pleased when Compound CEO Robert Leshner [threatened to doxx users](https://decrypt.co/82387/defi-community-blasts-compound-ceo-for-doxxed-comment) who didn't return COMP tokens after a protocol bug. > > - "Code is law. Unless we fuck up. Then we call the IRS on you." said [Blockstream CSO Samson Mow](https://nitter.com/Excellion/status/1443875126982840330). > > - Another concern would be seemingly decentralized platforms like Bancor having backdoors and the ability to freeze user funds ([which they did after a hack](https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/10/bancor-loses-23-5m/)). > > - [As LTC founder Charlie Lee stated](https://nitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/1016499756158234624): > > >"An exchange is not decentralized if it can lose customer funds OR if it can freeze customer funds. Bancor can do BOTH. It's a false sense of decentralization." > > - [Or, as DOGE founder Jackson Palmer commented](https://medium.datadriveninvestor.com/the-lessons-learned-from-a-false-sense-of-decentralization-875b8c2731a6): > > >“The key thing here is not the hack itself — it’s the fact the Bancor team had the ability to freeze funds. How many other “decentralized” DApps have a built-in kill switch that’s centrally controlled?” > > - In removing gatekeepers and intermediaries, DEXs and AMMs promise a more level financial playing field than the permissioned, opaque system of centralized finance. > > - However, even when governance of an open source platform is 'fair' and decentralized, DEX users are exposed to some of the same financial shenanigans inherent to CeFi, [such as front running](https://www.paradigm.xyz/2020/08/ethereum-is-a-dark-forest/). > > - There is no need for practices like [Robinhood's payment for order flow](https://web.archive.org/web/20210729220645/https://www.wsj.com/articles/robinhoods-debut-is-clouded-by-sec-scrutiny-of-payment-for-order-flow-11625655600) when trades are publicly broadcasted for the world to see: > > - "[Decentralized exchanges make it easier for anyone to exploit temporary market inefficiencies for a profit. In other words, it’s easier to front-run the market](https://blog.gnosis.pm/decentralized-exchanges-have-a-problem-7e6d81d91ba1)." > > > - "[Trades on decentralized exchanges \(DEX\) are sitting ducks while they remain idle in the processing queue. A small cohort of developers can and do take advantage of this lag time between hitting the trade button and the trade executing on-chain by front-running, back-running or 'sandwiching' a transaction.](https://www.yahoo.com/now/bad-sandwich-defi-trader-poisons-153336603.html)" > > > ##With mediocre UX comes great responsibility > > - DEXs are often not newbie friendly > > - There is a learning curve to self-custodying and creating a web wallet > > - Because of the immutability of blockchain transactions, it can be [easy for even savvy traders to learn an expensive lesson about human error](https://np.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/jo7lj2/help_needed_i_payed_235172_eth_9500_for_120/) > > - The process can be further intimidating when attempting to[ bridge assets on sidechains and L2s](https://ethhole.link/layer2) (and it is precisely smaller, newer traders who benefit most from[ lower fees](https://l2fees.info/)) > > - So it's not surprising that [many users - especially new market participants - would prefer to accept the counterparty risk of a custodial exchange](https://cointelegraph.com/news/coinbase-regains-1-position-on-apple-app-store-as-crypto-com-jumps-to-third) in return for a consumer oriented and streamlined user experience: > > - Given lack of KYC/AML, the majority of DEXs do not allow for onboarding/offboarding fiat and require users to touch a centralized exchange at some point if they want to get money in or out of 'the system'. > > - To go back to the Compound bug, Leshner clarified that his 'doxx' comment was in reference to DeFi users' interactions with centralized exchanges: > > > "[He said that anyone could identify the public Ethereum addresses that interact with the Compound protocol, and whether they engaged with popular exchanges like Coinbase that collect information about users.](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/04/business/dealbook/facebook-whistleblower-frances-haugen.html)" > > - Few DEXs natively offer the same level of trading functionality as centralized exchanges (e.g. limit orders, stop losses). > > - While centralized exchange users are primarily concerned with fees and spread, DEX users must also familiarize themselves with concepts like [slippage](https://academy.shrimpy.io/post/what-is-slippage-how-to-avoid-slippage-on-defi-exchanges) and [impermanent loss](https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/impermanent-loss-explained) > > - As the market becomes more saturated with DEX platforms and aggregators, it can be difficult for a lay user to evaluate competing promises of trustlessness and decentralization - or recognize when they're being exploited. > > - [Exit scams and rugpulls are prolific](https://decrypt.co/55787/defi-rug-pulls-were-cryptos-top-fraud-scheme-in-2020-ciphertrace) - newbies may find it challenging to verify if a DEX is legitimate, especially when dev teams are anonymous and many users lack technical proficiency to audit the protocol/smart contracts themselves. > > - While hacks and phishing risks aren't limited to DEXs, they expose [users to additional attack vectors](https://coinmarketcap.com/alexandria/article/how-to-identify-and-avoid-uniswap-scams): > > > - Given [the ease of creating \(copy/pasting\) and listing a token](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/business/hype-coins-cryptocurrency.html), it's no surprise that scamcoins abound on DEXs, many of which [spoof legitimacy](https://twitter.com/uniwhalesio/status/1357785710896545792). > > - E.g., [researchers identified over 10K scam tokens and scam liquidity pools on Uniswap V2](https://arxiv.org/abs/2109.00229). > > - Or check out [this recent attack which shows how Uniswap v3 liquidity pools can be manipulated](https://twitter.com/Mudit__Gupta/status/1455627465678749696). > > - More sinister is when [developers tweak the token contract to take your assets](https://twitter.com/r0bster97/status/1338182571558055937) or [remove a token's approval function](https://cryptot3ddybear.github.io/posts/scam-explained-bsc-noapproval/), preventing you from dumping the scamcoin you just bought. > ... ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/r6rt5n/general_concepts_round_dex_conarguments_december/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_DEX) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/yq2tow/daily_general_discussion_november_9_2022_gmt0/).

#DEX Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by MrMoustacheMan which won 1st place in the DEX Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > #DEX - Con Argument > > Reusing my previous entry [from here](https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/pfos3j/rcc_cointest_general_concepts_dex_conarguments/hdw1d32/). > > *Disclosure - I currently hold several DEX governance tokens, ~5% of my current portfolio value* > > ##What are decentralized exchanges and automated market makers? > > * (1) Intro: https://decrypt.co/resources/what-is-decentralized-exchange-dex > > * (2) Vitalik's original Reddit post: https://np.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/55m04x/lets_run_onchain_decentralized_exchanges_the_way/ > > ##DEX caveats > > I'm extremely bullish on [DeFi](https://decrypt.co/resources/defi-ultimate-beginners-guide-decentralized-finance) and believe DEXs specifically hold great promise in terms of: reducing counterparty risk, preserving anonymity and removing barriers to entry for users looking to trade and earn yield. > > That being said, there are some tradeoffs and limitations of interacting with DEXs to be aware of: > > ##Yo dawg, I heard you like decentralization > > - Decentralization can refer [to the protocol itself or to the governance and development of the protocol/platform](https://miro.medium.com/max/1304/0*epCTOVyxEmQq-AiU). > > - [Decentralization is a spectrum](https://nopara73.medium.com/few-words-on-decentralization-and-anonymous-payments-160782d30b9e) rather than a binary distinction. So a DEX may be [decentralized in some ways but centralized in others](https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2018/07/23/decentralized-exchanges-arent-living-up-to-their-name-and-data-proves-it/). Governance and developer control of a platform, for example, can vary wildly: > > >“Some have large control over their direction, others are governed by venture capital investors, and others have broader communities that vote in changes like an open source project.” > \- [Lex Sokolin, CMO and Global Fintech Co-Head, ConsenSys](https://cryptonews.com/exclusives/why-defi-isn-t-always-as-decentralized-as-you-might-think-7695.htm) > > - Users in the [Uniswap Con Cointest thread](https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/og2r4t/rcryptocurrency_cointest_top_10_category_uniswap/) have articulated many of their concerns about whales and VC interests dominating UNI governance politics. > > - But I'll repeat the example of [Uniswap's unilateral decision to delist tokens](https://decrypt.co/76793/ethrereum-dex-uniswap-drops-tokenized-stocks-as-regulators-close-in) after facing regulatory scrutiny from the SEC. Even if a certain protocol is decentralized, the team can take actions to limit access. > > - Similarly, the DeFi community was not too pleased when Compound CEO Robert Leshner [threatened to doxx users](https://decrypt.co/82387/defi-community-blasts-compound-ceo-for-doxxed-comment) who didn't return COMP tokens after a protocol bug. > > - "Code is law. Unless we fuck up. Then we call the IRS on you." said [Blockstream CSO Samson Mow](https://nitter.com/Excellion/status/1443875126982840330). > > - Another concern would be seemingly decentralized platforms like Bancor having backdoors and the ability to freeze user funds ([which they did after a hack](https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/10/bancor-loses-23-5m/)). > > - [As LTC founder Charlie Lee stated](https://nitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/1016499756158234624): > > >"An exchange is not decentralized if it can lose customer funds OR if it can freeze customer funds. Bancor can do BOTH. It's a false sense of decentralization." > > - [Or, as DOGE founder Jackson Palmer commented](https://medium.datadriveninvestor.com/the-lessons-learned-from-a-false-sense-of-decentralization-875b8c2731a6): > > >“The key thing here is not the hack itself — it’s the fact the Bancor team had the ability to freeze funds. How many other “decentralized” DApps have a built-in kill switch that’s centrally controlled?” > > - In removing gatekeepers and intermediaries, DEXs and AMMs promise a more level financial playing field than the permissioned, opaque system of centralized finance. > > - However, even when governance of an open source platform is 'fair' and decentralized, DEX users are exposed to some of the same financial shenanigans inherent to CeFi, [such as front running](https://www.paradigm.xyz/2020/08/ethereum-is-a-dark-forest/). > > - There is no need for practices like [Robinhood's payment for order flow](https://web.archive.org/web/20210729220645/https://www.wsj.com/articles/robinhoods-debut-is-clouded-by-sec-scrutiny-of-payment-for-order-flow-11625655600) when trades are publicly broadcasted for the world to see: > > - "[Decentralized exchanges make it easier for anyone to exploit temporary market inefficiencies for a profit. In other words, it’s easier to front-run the market](https://blog.gnosis.pm/decentralized-exchanges-have-a-problem-7e6d81d91ba1)." > > > - "[Trades on decentralized exchanges \(DEX\) are sitting ducks while they remain idle in the processing queue. A small cohort of developers can and do take advantage of this lag time between hitting the trade button and the trade executing on-chain by front-running, back-running or 'sandwiching' a transaction.](https://www.yahoo.com/now/bad-sandwich-defi-trader-poisons-153336603.html)" > > > ##With mediocre UX comes great responsibility > > - DEXs are often not newbie friendly > > - There is a learning curve to self-custodying and creating a web wallet > > - Because of the immutability of blockchain transactions, it can be [easy for even savvy traders to learn an expensive lesson about human error](https://np.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/jo7lj2/help_needed_i_payed_235172_eth_9500_for_120/) > > - The process can be further intimidating when attempting to[ bridge assets on sidechains and L2s](https://ethhole.link/layer2) (and it is precisely smaller, newer traders who benefit most from[ lower fees](https://l2fees.info/)) > > - So it's not surprising that [many users - especially new market participants - would prefer to accept the counterparty risk of a custodial exchange](https://cointelegraph.com/news/coinbase-regains-1-position-on-apple-app-store-as-crypto-com-jumps-to-third) in return for a consumer oriented and streamlined user experience: > > - Given lack of KYC/AML, the majority of DEXs do not allow for onboarding/offboarding fiat and require users to touch a centralized exchange at some point if they want to get money in or out of 'the system'. > > - To go back to the Compound bug, Leshner clarified that his 'doxx' comment was in reference to DeFi users' interactions with centralized exchanges: > > > "[He said that anyone could identify the public Ethereum addresses that interact with the Compound protocol, and whether they engaged with popular exchanges like Coinbase that collect information about users.](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/04/business/dealbook/facebook-whistleblower-frances-haugen.html)" > > - Few DEXs natively offer the same level of trading functionality as centralized exchanges (e.g. limit orders, stop losses). > > - While centralized exchange users are primarily concerned with fees and spread, DEX users must also familiarize themselves with concepts like [slippage](https://academy.shrimpy.io/post/what-is-slippage-how-to-avoid-slippage-on-defi-exchanges) and [impermanent loss](https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/impermanent-loss-explained) > > - As the market becomes more saturated with DEX platforms and aggregators, it can be difficult for a lay user to evaluate competing promises of trustlessness and decentralization - or recognize when they're being exploited. > > - [Exit scams and rugpulls are prolific](https://decrypt.co/55787/defi-rug-pulls-were-cryptos-top-fraud-scheme-in-2020-ciphertrace) - newbies may find it challenging to verify if a DEX is legitimate, especially when dev teams are anonymous and many users lack technical proficiency to audit the protocol/smart contracts themselves. > > - While hacks and phishing risks aren't limited to DEXs, they expose [users to additional attack vectors](https://coinmarketcap.com/alexandria/article/how-to-identify-and-avoid-uniswap-scams): > > > - Given [the ease of creating \(copy/pasting\) and listing a token](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/business/hype-coins-cryptocurrency.html), it's no surprise that scamcoins abound on DEXs, many of which [spoof legitimacy](https://twitter.com/uniwhalesio/status/1357785710896545792). > > - E.g., [researchers identified over 10K scam tokens and scam liquidity pools on Uniswap V2](https://arxiv.org/abs/2109.00229). > > - Or check out [this recent attack which shows how Uniswap v3 liquidity pools can be manipulated](https://twitter.com/Mudit__Gupta/status/1455627465678749696). > > - More sinister is when [developers tweak the token contract to take your assets](https://twitter.com/r0bster97/status/1338182571558055937) or [remove a token's approval function](https://cryptot3ddybear.github.io/posts/scam-explained-bsc-noapproval/), preventing you from dumping the scamcoin you just bought. > ... ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/r6rt5n/general_concepts_round_dex_conarguments_december/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_DEX) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/yq2tow/daily_general_discussion_november_9_2022_gmt0/).

#DEX Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by MrMoustacheMan which won 1st place in the DEX Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > #DEX - Con Argument > > Reusing my previous entry [from here](https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/pfos3j/rcc_cointest_general_concepts_dex_conarguments/hdw1d32/). > > *Disclosure - I currently hold several DEX governance tokens, ~5% of my current portfolio value* > > ##What are decentralized exchanges and automated market makers? > > * (1) Intro: https://decrypt.co/resources/what-is-decentralized-exchange-dex > > * (2) Vitalik's original Reddit post: https://np.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/55m04x/lets_run_onchain_decentralized_exchanges_the_way/ > > ##DEX caveats > > I'm extremely bullish on [DeFi](https://decrypt.co/resources/defi-ultimate-beginners-guide-decentralized-finance) and believe DEXs specifically hold great promise in terms of: reducing counterparty risk, preserving anonymity and removing barriers to entry for users looking to trade and earn yield. > > That being said, there are some tradeoffs and limitations of interacting with DEXs to be aware of: > > ##Yo dawg, I heard you like decentralization > > - Decentralization can refer [to the protocol itself or to the governance and development of the protocol/platform](https://miro.medium.com/max/1304/0*epCTOVyxEmQq-AiU). > > - [Decentralization is a spectrum](https://nopara73.medium.com/few-words-on-decentralization-and-anonymous-payments-160782d30b9e) rather than a binary distinction. So a DEX may be [decentralized in some ways but centralized in others](https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2018/07/23/decentralized-exchanges-arent-living-up-to-their-name-and-data-proves-it/). Governance and developer control of a platform, for example, can vary wildly: > > >“Some have large control over their direction, others are governed by venture capital investors, and others have broader communities that vote in changes like an open source project.” > \- [Lex Sokolin, CMO and Global Fintech Co-Head, ConsenSys](https://cryptonews.com/exclusives/why-defi-isn-t-always-as-decentralized-as-you-might-think-7695.htm) > > - Users in the [Uniswap Con Cointest thread](https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/og2r4t/rcryptocurrency_cointest_top_10_category_uniswap/) have articulated many of their concerns about whales and VC interests dominating UNI governance politics. > > - But I'll repeat the example of [Uniswap's unilateral decision to delist tokens](https://decrypt.co/76793/ethrereum-dex-uniswap-drops-tokenized-stocks-as-regulators-close-in) after facing regulatory scrutiny from the SEC. Even if a certain protocol is decentralized, the team can take actions to limit access. > > - Similarly, the DeFi community was not too pleased when Compound CEO Robert Leshner [threatened to doxx users](https://decrypt.co/82387/defi-community-blasts-compound-ceo-for-doxxed-comment) who didn't return COMP tokens after a protocol bug. > > - "Code is law. Unless we fuck up. Then we call the IRS on you." said [Blockstream CSO Samson Mow](https://nitter.com/Excellion/status/1443875126982840330). > > - Another concern would be seemingly decentralized platforms like Bancor having backdoors and the ability to freeze user funds ([which they did after a hack](https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/10/bancor-loses-23-5m/)). > > - [As LTC founder Charlie Lee stated](https://nitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/1016499756158234624): > > >"An exchange is not decentralized if it can lose customer funds OR if it can freeze customer funds. Bancor can do BOTH. It's a false sense of decentralization." > > - [Or, as DOGE founder Jackson Palmer commented](https://medium.datadriveninvestor.com/the-lessons-learned-from-a-false-sense-of-decentralization-875b8c2731a6): > > >“The key thing here is not the hack itself — it’s the fact the Bancor team had the ability to freeze funds. How many other “decentralized” DApps have a built-in kill switch that’s centrally controlled?” > > - In removing gatekeepers and intermediaries, DEXs and AMMs promise a more level financial playing field than the permissioned, opaque system of centralized finance. > > - However, even when governance of an open source platform is 'fair' and decentralized, DEX users are exposed to some of the same financial shenanigans inherent to CeFi, [such as front running](https://www.paradigm.xyz/2020/08/ethereum-is-a-dark-forest/). > > - There is no need for practices like [Robinhood's payment for order flow](https://web.archive.org/web/20210729220645/https://www.wsj.com/articles/robinhoods-debut-is-clouded-by-sec-scrutiny-of-payment-for-order-flow-11625655600) when trades are publicly broadcasted for the world to see: > > - "[Decentralized exchanges make it easier for anyone to exploit temporary market inefficiencies for a profit. In other words, it’s easier to front-run the market](https://blog.gnosis.pm/decentralized-exchanges-have-a-problem-7e6d81d91ba1)." > > > - "[Trades on decentralized exchanges \(DEX\) are sitting ducks while they remain idle in the processing queue. A small cohort of developers can and do take advantage of this lag time between hitting the trade button and the trade executing on-chain by front-running, back-running or 'sandwiching' a transaction.](https://www.yahoo.com/now/bad-sandwich-defi-trader-poisons-153336603.html)" > > > ##With mediocre UX comes great responsibility > > - DEXs are often not newbie friendly > > - There is a learning curve to self-custodying and creating a web wallet > > - Because of the immutability of blockchain transactions, it can be [easy for even savvy traders to learn an expensive lesson about human error](https://np.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/jo7lj2/help_needed_i_payed_235172_eth_9500_for_120/) > > - The process can be further intimidating when attempting to[ bridge assets on sidechains and L2s](https://ethhole.link/layer2) (and it is precisely smaller, newer traders who benefit most from[ lower fees](https://l2fees.info/)) > > - So it's not surprising that [many users - especially new market participants - would prefer to accept the counterparty risk of a custodial exchange](https://cointelegraph.com/news/coinbase-regains-1-position-on-apple-app-store-as-crypto-com-jumps-to-third) in return for a consumer oriented and streamlined user experience: > > - Given lack of KYC/AML, the majority of DEXs do not allow for onboarding/offboarding fiat and require users to touch a centralized exchange at some point if they want to get money in or out of 'the system'. > > - To go back to the Compound bug, Leshner clarified that his 'doxx' comment was in reference to DeFi users' interactions with centralized exchanges: > > > "[He said that anyone could identify the public Ethereum addresses that interact with the Compound protocol, and whether they engaged with popular exchanges like Coinbase that collect information about users.](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/04/business/dealbook/facebook-whistleblower-frances-haugen.html)" > > - Few DEXs natively offer the same level of trading functionality as centralized exchanges (e.g. limit orders, stop losses). > > - While centralized exchange users are primarily concerned with fees and spread, DEX users must also familiarize themselves with concepts like [slippage](https://academy.shrimpy.io/post/what-is-slippage-how-to-avoid-slippage-on-defi-exchanges) and [impermanent loss](https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/impermanent-loss-explained) > > - As the market becomes more saturated with DEX platforms and aggregators, it can be difficult for a lay user to evaluate competing promises of trustlessness and decentralization - or recognize when they're being exploited. > > - [Exit scams and rugpulls are prolific](https://decrypt.co/55787/defi-rug-pulls-were-cryptos-top-fraud-scheme-in-2020-ciphertrace) - newbies may find it challenging to verify if a DEX is legitimate, especially when dev teams are anonymous and many users lack technical proficiency to audit the protocol/smart contracts themselves. > > - While hacks and phishing risks aren't limited to DEXs, they expose [users to additional attack vectors](https://coinmarketcap.com/alexandria/article/how-to-identify-and-avoid-uniswap-scams): > > > - Given [the ease of creating \(copy/pasting\) and listing a token](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/business/hype-coins-cryptocurrency.html), it's no surprise that scamcoins abound on DEXs, many of which [spoof legitimacy](https://twitter.com/uniwhalesio/status/1357785710896545792). > > - E.g., [researchers identified over 10K scam tokens and scam liquidity pools on Uniswap V2](https://arxiv.org/abs/2109.00229). > > - Or check out [this recent attack which shows how Uniswap v3 liquidity pools can be manipulated](https://twitter.com/Mudit__Gupta/status/1455627465678749696). > > - More sinister is when [developers tweak the token contract to take your assets](https://twitter.com/r0bster97/status/1338182571558055937) or [remove a token's approval function](https://cryptot3ddybear.github.io/posts/scam-explained-bsc-noapproval/), preventing you from dumping the scamcoin you just bought. > ... ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/r6rt5n/general_concepts_round_dex_conarguments_december/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_DEX) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/yq2tow/daily_general_discussion_november_9_2022_gmt0/).

tldr; AAVE is trading above long-term support at $73. It has broken out from a descending resistance line. COMP is trading inside a descending parallel channel. A decrease below the wave B low of $64.7 would invalidate the bullish AAVE price prediction and indicate a lower future price. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.*

#DEX Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by MrMoustacheMan which won 1st place in the DEX Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > #DEX - Con Argument > > Reusing my previous entry [from here](https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/pfos3j/rcc_cointest_general_concepts_dex_conarguments/hdw1d32/). > > *Disclosure - I currently hold several DEX governance tokens, ~5% of my current portfolio value* > > ##What are decentralized exchanges and automated market makers? > > * (1) Intro: https://decrypt.co/resources/what-is-decentralized-exchange-dex > > * (2) Vitalik's original Reddit post: https://np.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/55m04x/lets_run_onchain_decentralized_exchanges_the_way/ > > ##DEX caveats > > I'm extremely bullish on [DeFi](https://decrypt.co/resources/defi-ultimate-beginners-guide-decentralized-finance) and believe DEXs specifically hold great promise in terms of: reducing counterparty risk, preserving anonymity and removing barriers to entry for users looking to trade and earn yield. > > That being said, there are some tradeoffs and limitations of interacting with DEXs to be aware of: > > ##Yo dawg, I heard you like decentralization > > - Decentralization can refer [to the protocol itself or to the governance and development of the protocol/platform](https://miro.medium.com/max/1304/0*epCTOVyxEmQq-AiU). > > - [Decentralization is a spectrum](https://nopara73.medium.com/few-words-on-decentralization-and-anonymous-payments-160782d30b9e) rather than a binary distinction. So a DEX may be [decentralized in some ways but centralized in others](https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2018/07/23/decentralized-exchanges-arent-living-up-to-their-name-and-data-proves-it/). Governance and developer control of a platform, for example, can vary wildly: > > >“Some have large control over their direction, others are governed by venture capital investors, and others have broader communities that vote in changes like an open source project.” > \- [Lex Sokolin, CMO and Global Fintech Co-Head, ConsenSys](https://cryptonews.com/exclusives/why-defi-isn-t-always-as-decentralized-as-you-might-think-7695.htm) > > - Users in the [Uniswap Con Cointest thread](https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/og2r4t/rcryptocurrency_cointest_top_10_category_uniswap/) have articulated many of their concerns about whales and VC interests dominating UNI governance politics. > > - But I'll repeat the example of [Uniswap's unilateral decision to delist tokens](https://decrypt.co/76793/ethrereum-dex-uniswap-drops-tokenized-stocks-as-regulators-close-in) after facing regulatory scrutiny from the SEC. Even if a certain protocol is decentralized, the team can take actions to limit access. > > - Similarly, the DeFi community was not too pleased when Compound CEO Robert Leshner [threatened to doxx users](https://decrypt.co/82387/defi-community-blasts-compound-ceo-for-doxxed-comment) who didn't return COMP tokens after a protocol bug. > > - "Code is law. Unless we fuck up. Then we call the IRS on you." said [Blockstream CSO Samson Mow](https://nitter.com/Excellion/status/1443875126982840330). > > - Another concern would be seemingly decentralized platforms like Bancor having backdoors and the ability to freeze user funds ([which they did after a hack](https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/10/bancor-loses-23-5m/)). > > - [As LTC founder Charlie Lee stated](https://nitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/1016499756158234624): > > >"An exchange is not decentralized if it can lose customer funds OR if it can freeze customer funds. Bancor can do BOTH. It's a false sense of decentralization." > > - [Or, as DOGE founder Jackson Palmer commented](https://medium.datadriveninvestor.com/the-lessons-learned-from-a-false-sense-of-decentralization-875b8c2731a6): > > >“The key thing here is not the hack itself — it’s the fact the Bancor team had the ability to freeze funds. How many other “decentralized” DApps have a built-in kill switch that’s centrally controlled?” > > - In removing gatekeepers and intermediaries, DEXs and AMMs promise a more level financial playing field than the permissioned, opaque system of centralized finance. > > - However, even when governance of an open source platform is 'fair' and decentralized, DEX users are exposed to some of the same financial shenanigans inherent to CeFi, [such as front running](https://www.paradigm.xyz/2020/08/ethereum-is-a-dark-forest/). > > - There is no need for practices like [Robinhood's payment for order flow](https://web.archive.org/web/20210729220645/https://www.wsj.com/articles/robinhoods-debut-is-clouded-by-sec-scrutiny-of-payment-for-order-flow-11625655600) when trades are publicly broadcasted for the world to see: > > - "[Decentralized exchanges make it easier for anyone to exploit temporary market inefficiencies for a profit. In other words, it’s easier to front-run the market](https://blog.gnosis.pm/decentralized-exchanges-have-a-problem-7e6d81d91ba1)." > > > - "[Trades on decentralized exchanges \(DEX\) are sitting ducks while they remain idle in the processing queue. A small cohort of developers can and do take advantage of this lag time between hitting the trade button and the trade executing on-chain by front-running, back-running or 'sandwiching' a transaction.](https://www.yahoo.com/now/bad-sandwich-defi-trader-poisons-153336603.html)" > > > ##With mediocre UX comes great responsibility > > - DEXs are often not newbie friendly > > - There is a learning curve to self-custodying and creating a web wallet > > - Because of the immutability of blockchain transactions, it can be [easy for even savvy traders to learn an expensive lesson about human error](https://np.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/jo7lj2/help_needed_i_payed_235172_eth_9500_for_120/) > > - The process can be further intimidating when attempting to[ bridge assets on sidechains and L2s](https://ethhole.link/layer2) (and it is precisely smaller, newer traders who benefit most from[ lower fees](https://l2fees.info/)) > > - So it's not surprising that [many users - especially new market participants - would prefer to accept the counterparty risk of a custodial exchange](https://cointelegraph.com/news/coinbase-regains-1-position-on-apple-app-store-as-crypto-com-jumps-to-third) in return for a consumer oriented and streamlined user experience: > > - Given lack of KYC/AML, the majority of DEXs do not allow for onboarding/offboarding fiat and require users to touch a centralized exchange at some point if they want to get money in or out of 'the system'. > > - To go back to the Compound bug, Leshner clarified that his 'doxx' comment was in reference to DeFi users' interactions with centralized exchanges: > > > "[He said that anyone could identify the public Ethereum addresses that interact with the Compound protocol, and whether they engaged with popular exchanges like Coinbase that collect information about users.](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/04/business/dealbook/facebook-whistleblower-frances-haugen.html)" > > - Few DEXs natively offer the same level of trading functionality as centralized exchanges (e.g. limit orders, stop losses). > > - While centralized exchange users are primarily concerned with fees and spread, DEX users must also familiarize themselves with concepts like [slippage](https://academy.shrimpy.io/post/what-is-slippage-how-to-avoid-slippage-on-defi-exchanges) and [impermanent loss](https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/impermanent-loss-explained) > > - As the market becomes more saturated with DEX platforms and aggregators, it can be difficult for a lay user to evaluate competing promises of trustlessness and decentralization - or recognize when they're being exploited. > > - [Exit scams and rugpulls are prolific](https://decrypt.co/55787/defi-rug-pulls-were-cryptos-top-fraud-scheme-in-2020-ciphertrace) - newbies may find it challenging to verify if a DEX is legitimate, especially when dev teams are anonymous and many users lack technical proficiency to audit the protocol/smart contracts themselves. > > - While hacks and phishing risks aren't limited to DEXs, they expose [users to additional attack vectors](https://coinmarketcap.com/alexandria/article/how-to-identify-and-avoid-uniswap-scams): > > > - Given [the ease of creating \(copy/pasting\) and listing a token](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/business/hype-coins-cryptocurrency.html), it's no surprise that scamcoins abound on DEXs, many of which [spoof legitimacy](https://twitter.com/uniwhalesio/status/1357785710896545792). > > - E.g., [researchers identified over 10K scam tokens and scam liquidity pools on Uniswap V2](https://arxiv.org/abs/2109.00229). > > - Or check out [this recent attack which shows how Uniswap v3 liquidity pools can be manipulated](https://twitter.com/Mudit__Gupta/status/1455627465678749696). > > - More sinister is when [developers tweak the token contract to take your assets](https://twitter.com/r0bster97/status/1338182571558055937) or [remove a token's approval function](https://cryptot3ddybear.github.io/posts/scam-explained-bsc-noapproval/), preventing you from dumping the scamcoin you just bought. > ... ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/r6rt5n/general_concepts_round_dex_conarguments_december/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_DEX) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/yo70l5/daily_general_discussion_november_7_2022_gmt0/).

#DEX Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by MrMoustacheMan which won 1st place in the DEX Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > #DEX - Con Argument > > Reusing my previous entry [from here](https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/pfos3j/rcc_cointest_general_concepts_dex_conarguments/hdw1d32/). > > *Disclosure - I currently hold several DEX governance tokens, ~5% of my current portfolio value* > > ##What are decentralized exchanges and automated market makers? > > * (1) Intro: https://decrypt.co/resources/what-is-decentralized-exchange-dex > > * (2) Vitalik's original Reddit post: https://np.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/55m04x/lets_run_onchain_decentralized_exchanges_the_way/ > > ##DEX caveats > > I'm extremely bullish on [DeFi](https://decrypt.co/resources/defi-ultimate-beginners-guide-decentralized-finance) and believe DEXs specifically hold great promise in terms of: reducing counterparty risk, preserving anonymity and removing barriers to entry for users looking to trade and earn yield. > > That being said, there are some tradeoffs and limitations of interacting with DEXs to be aware of: > > ##Yo dawg, I heard you like decentralization > > - Decentralization can refer [to the protocol itself or to the governance and development of the protocol/platform](https://miro.medium.com/max/1304/0*epCTOVyxEmQq-AiU). > > - [Decentralization is a spectrum](https://nopara73.medium.com/few-words-on-decentralization-and-anonymous-payments-160782d30b9e) rather than a binary distinction. So a DEX may be [decentralized in some ways but centralized in others](https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2018/07/23/decentralized-exchanges-arent-living-up-to-their-name-and-data-proves-it/). Governance and developer control of a platform, for example, can vary wildly: > > >“Some have large control over their direction, others are governed by venture capital investors, and others have broader communities that vote in changes like an open source project.” > \- [Lex Sokolin, CMO and Global Fintech Co-Head, ConsenSys](https://cryptonews.com/exclusives/why-defi-isn-t-always-as-decentralized-as-you-might-think-7695.htm) > > - Users in the [Uniswap Con Cointest thread](https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/og2r4t/rcryptocurrency_cointest_top_10_category_uniswap/) have articulated many of their concerns about whales and VC interests dominating UNI governance politics. > > - But I'll repeat the example of [Uniswap's unilateral decision to delist tokens](https://decrypt.co/76793/ethrereum-dex-uniswap-drops-tokenized-stocks-as-regulators-close-in) after facing regulatory scrutiny from the SEC. Even if a certain protocol is decentralized, the team can take actions to limit access. > > - Similarly, the DeFi community was not too pleased when Compound CEO Robert Leshner [threatened to doxx users](https://decrypt.co/82387/defi-community-blasts-compound-ceo-for-doxxed-comment) who didn't return COMP tokens after a protocol bug. > > - "Code is law. Unless we fuck up. Then we call the IRS on you." said [Blockstream CSO Samson Mow](https://nitter.com/Excellion/status/1443875126982840330). > > - Another concern would be seemingly decentralized platforms like Bancor having backdoors and the ability to freeze user funds ([which they did after a hack](https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/10/bancor-loses-23-5m/)). > > - [As LTC founder Charlie Lee stated](https://nitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/1016499756158234624): > > >"An exchange is not decentralized if it can lose customer funds OR if it can freeze customer funds. Bancor can do BOTH. It's a false sense of decentralization." > > - [Or, as DOGE founder Jackson Palmer commented](https://medium.datadriveninvestor.com/the-lessons-learned-from-a-false-sense-of-decentralization-875b8c2731a6): > > >“The key thing here is not the hack itself — it’s the fact the Bancor team had the ability to freeze funds. How many other “decentralized” DApps have a built-in kill switch that’s centrally controlled?” > > - In removing gatekeepers and intermediaries, DEXs and AMMs promise a more level financial playing field than the permissioned, opaque system of centralized finance. > > - However, even when governance of an open source platform is 'fair' and decentralized, DEX users are exposed to some of the same financial shenanigans inherent to CeFi, [such as front running](https://www.paradigm.xyz/2020/08/ethereum-is-a-dark-forest/). > > - There is no need for practices like [Robinhood's payment for order flow](https://web.archive.org/web/20210729220645/https://www.wsj.com/articles/robinhoods-debut-is-clouded-by-sec-scrutiny-of-payment-for-order-flow-11625655600) when trades are publicly broadcasted for the world to see: > > - "[Decentralized exchanges make it easier for anyone to exploit temporary market inefficiencies for a profit. In other words, it’s easier to front-run the market](https://blog.gnosis.pm/decentralized-exchanges-have-a-problem-7e6d81d91ba1)." > > > - "[Trades on decentralized exchanges \(DEX\) are sitting ducks while they remain idle in the processing queue. A small cohort of developers can and do take advantage of this lag time between hitting the trade button and the trade executing on-chain by front-running, back-running or 'sandwiching' a transaction.](https://www.yahoo.com/now/bad-sandwich-defi-trader-poisons-153336603.html)" > > > ##With mediocre UX comes great responsibility > > - DEXs are often not newbie friendly > > - There is a learning curve to self-custodying and creating a web wallet > > - Because of the immutability of blockchain transactions, it can be [easy for even savvy traders to learn an expensive lesson about human error](https://np.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/jo7lj2/help_needed_i_payed_235172_eth_9500_for_120/) > > - The process can be further intimidating when attempting to[ bridge assets on sidechains and L2s](https://ethhole.link/layer2) (and it is precisely smaller, newer traders who benefit most from[ lower fees](https://l2fees.info/)) > > - So it's not surprising that [many users - especially new market participants - would prefer to accept the counterparty risk of a custodial exchange](https://cointelegraph.com/news/coinbase-regains-1-position-on-apple-app-store-as-crypto-com-jumps-to-third) in return for a consumer oriented and streamlined user experience: > > - Given lack of KYC/AML, the majority of DEXs do not allow for onboarding/offboarding fiat and require users to touch a centralized exchange at some point if they want to get money in or out of 'the system'. > > - To go back to the Compound bug, Leshner clarified that his 'doxx' comment was in reference to DeFi users' interactions with centralized exchanges: > > > "[He said that anyone could identify the public Ethereum addresses that interact with the Compound protocol, and whether they engaged with popular exchanges like Coinbase that collect information about users.](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/04/business/dealbook/facebook-whistleblower-frances-haugen.html)" > > - Few DEXs natively offer the same level of trading functionality as centralized exchanges (e.g. limit orders, stop losses). > > - While centralized exchange users are primarily concerned with fees and spread, DEX users must also familiarize themselves with concepts like [slippage](https://academy.shrimpy.io/post/what-is-slippage-how-to-avoid-slippage-on-defi-exchanges) and [impermanent loss](https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/impermanent-loss-explained) > > - As the market becomes more saturated with DEX platforms and aggregators, it can be difficult for a lay user to evaluate competing promises of trustlessness and decentralization - or recognize when they're being exploited. > > - [Exit scams and rugpulls are prolific](https://decrypt.co/55787/defi-rug-pulls-were-cryptos-top-fraud-scheme-in-2020-ciphertrace) - newbies may find it challenging to verify if a DEX is legitimate, especially when dev teams are anonymous and many users lack technical proficiency to audit the protocol/smart contracts themselves. > > - While hacks and phishing risks aren't limited to DEXs, they expose [users to additional attack vectors](https://coinmarketcap.com/alexandria/article/how-to-identify-and-avoid-uniswap-scams): > > > - Given [the ease of creating \(copy/pasting\) and listing a token](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/business/hype-coins-cryptocurrency.html), it's no surprise that scamcoins abound on DEXs, many of which [spoof legitimacy](https://twitter.com/uniwhalesio/status/1357785710896545792). > > - E.g., [researchers identified over 10K scam tokens and scam liquidity pools on Uniswap V2](https://arxiv.org/abs/2109.00229). > > - Or check out [this recent attack which shows how Uniswap v3 liquidity pools can be manipulated](https://twitter.com/Mudit__Gupta/status/1455627465678749696). > > - More sinister is when [developers tweak the token contract to take your assets](https://twitter.com/r0bster97/status/1338182571558055937) or [remove a token's approval function](https://cryptot3ddybear.github.io/posts/scam-explained-bsc-noapproval/), preventing you from dumping the scamcoin you just bought. > ... ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/r6rt5n/general_concepts_round_dex_conarguments_december/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_DEX) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/ynawzl/daily_general_discussion_november_6_2022_gmt0/).

Use this time to stay in the arena and absorb information. There is a ton of shit quietly going on right now and I feel like I know so much more than I did during the bull. Stay hungry. I’m most interested in MAKER and DAI. There are a lot of governance tokens like MKR, COMP, AAVE and more that are at, near, or below the price of the start of the last bull run.

#DEX Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by MrMoustacheMan which won 1st place in the DEX Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > #DEX - Con Argument > > Reusing my previous entry [from here](https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/pfos3j/rcc_cointest_general_concepts_dex_conarguments/hdw1d32/). > > *Disclosure - I currently hold several DEX governance tokens, ~5% of my current portfolio value* > > ##What are decentralized exchanges and automated market makers? > > * (1) Intro: https://decrypt.co/resources/what-is-decentralized-exchange-dex > > * (2) Vitalik's original Reddit post: https://np.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/55m04x/lets_run_onchain_decentralized_exchanges_the_way/ > > ##DEX caveats > > I'm extremely bullish on [DeFi](https://decrypt.co/resources/defi-ultimate-beginners-guide-decentralized-finance) and believe DEXs specifically hold great promise in terms of: reducing counterparty risk, preserving anonymity and removing barriers to entry for users looking to trade and earn yield. > > That being said, there are some tradeoffs and limitations of interacting with DEXs to be aware of: > > ##Yo dawg, I heard you like decentralization > > - Decentralization can refer [to the protocol itself or to the governance and development of the protocol/platform](https://miro.medium.com/max/1304/0*epCTOVyxEmQq-AiU). > > - [Decentralization is a spectrum](https://nopara73.medium.com/few-words-on-decentralization-and-anonymous-payments-160782d30b9e) rather than a binary distinction. So a DEX may be [decentralized in some ways but centralized in others](https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2018/07/23/decentralized-exchanges-arent-living-up-to-their-name-and-data-proves-it/). Governance and developer control of a platform, for example, can vary wildly: > > >“Some have large control over their direction, others are governed by venture capital investors, and others have broader communities that vote in changes like an open source project.” > \- [Lex Sokolin, CMO and Global Fintech Co-Head, ConsenSys](https://cryptonews.com/exclusives/why-defi-isn-t-always-as-decentralized-as-you-might-think-7695.htm) > > - Users in the [Uniswap Con Cointest thread](https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/og2r4t/rcryptocurrency_cointest_top_10_category_uniswap/) have articulated many of their concerns about whales and VC interests dominating UNI governance politics. > > - But I'll repeat the example of [Uniswap's unilateral decision to delist tokens](https://decrypt.co/76793/ethrereum-dex-uniswap-drops-tokenized-stocks-as-regulators-close-in) after facing regulatory scrutiny from the SEC. Even if a certain protocol is decentralized, the team can take actions to limit access. > > - Similarly, the DeFi community was not too pleased when Compound CEO Robert Leshner [threatened to doxx users](https://decrypt.co/82387/defi-community-blasts-compound-ceo-for-doxxed-comment) who didn't return COMP tokens after a protocol bug. > > - "Code is law. Unless we fuck up. Then we call the IRS on you." said [Blockstream CSO Samson Mow](https://nitter.com/Excellion/status/1443875126982840330). > > - Another concern would be seemingly decentralized platforms like Bancor having backdoors and the ability to freeze user funds ([which they did after a hack](https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/10/bancor-loses-23-5m/)). > > - [As LTC founder Charlie Lee stated](https://nitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/1016499756158234624): > > >"An exchange is not decentralized if it can lose customer funds OR if it can freeze customer funds. Bancor can do BOTH. It's a false sense of decentralization." > > - [Or, as DOGE founder Jackson Palmer commented](https://medium.datadriveninvestor.com/the-lessons-learned-from-a-false-sense-of-decentralization-875b8c2731a6): > > >“The key thing here is not the hack itself — it’s the fact the Bancor team had the ability to freeze funds. How many other “decentralized” DApps have a built-in kill switch that’s centrally controlled?” > > - In removing gatekeepers and intermediaries, DEXs and AMMs promise a more level financial playing field than the permissioned, opaque system of centralized finance. > > - However, even when governance of an open source platform is 'fair' and decentralized, DEX users are exposed to some of the same financial shenanigans inherent to CeFi, [such as front running](https://www.paradigm.xyz/2020/08/ethereum-is-a-dark-forest/). > > - There is no need for practices like [Robinhood's payment for order flow](https://web.archive.org/web/20210729220645/https://www.wsj.com/articles/robinhoods-debut-is-clouded-by-sec-scrutiny-of-payment-for-order-flow-11625655600) when trades are publicly broadcasted for the world to see: > > - "[Decentralized exchanges make it easier for anyone to exploit temporary market inefficiencies for a profit. In other words, it’s easier to front-run the market](https://blog.gnosis.pm/decentralized-exchanges-have-a-problem-7e6d81d91ba1)." > > > - "[Trades on decentralized exchanges \(DEX\) are sitting ducks while they remain idle in the processing queue. A small cohort of developers can and do take advantage of this lag time between hitting the trade button and the trade executing on-chain by front-running, back-running or 'sandwiching' a transaction.](https://www.yahoo.com/now/bad-sandwich-defi-trader-poisons-153336603.html)" > > > ##With mediocre UX comes great responsibility > > - DEXs are often not newbie friendly > > - There is a learning curve to self-custodying and creating a web wallet > > - Because of the immutability of blockchain transactions, it can be [easy for even savvy traders to learn an expensive lesson about human error](https://np.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/jo7lj2/help_needed_i_payed_235172_eth_9500_for_120/) > > - The process can be further intimidating when attempting to[ bridge assets on sidechains and L2s](https://ethhole.link/layer2) (and it is precisely smaller, newer traders who benefit most from[ lower fees](https://l2fees.info/)) > > - So it's not surprising that [many users - especially new market participants - would prefer to accept the counterparty risk of a custodial exchange](https://cointelegraph.com/news/coinbase-regains-1-position-on-apple-app-store-as-crypto-com-jumps-to-third) in return for a consumer oriented and streamlined user experience: > > - Given lack of KYC/AML, the majority of DEXs do not allow for onboarding/offboarding fiat and require users to touch a centralized exchange at some point if they want to get money in or out of 'the system'. > > - To go back to the Compound bug, Leshner clarified that his 'doxx' comment was in reference to DeFi users' interactions with centralized exchanges: > > > "[He said that anyone could identify the public Ethereum addresses that interact with the Compound protocol, and whether they engaged with popular exchanges like Coinbase that collect information about users.](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/04/business/dealbook/facebook-whistleblower-frances-haugen.html)" > > - Few DEXs natively offer the same level of trading functionality as centralized exchanges (e.g. limit orders, stop losses). > > - While centralized exchange users are primarily concerned with fees and spread, DEX users must also familiarize themselves with concepts like [slippage](https://academy.shrimpy.io/post/what-is-slippage-how-to-avoid-slippage-on-defi-exchanges) and [impermanent loss](https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/impermanent-loss-explained) > > - As the market becomes more saturated with DEX platforms and aggregators, it can be difficult for a lay user to evaluate competing promises of trustlessness and decentralization - or recognize when they're being exploited. > > - [Exit scams and rugpulls are prolific](https://decrypt.co/55787/defi-rug-pulls-were-cryptos-top-fraud-scheme-in-2020-ciphertrace) - newbies may find it challenging to verify if a DEX is legitimate, especially when dev teams are anonymous and many users lack technical proficiency to audit the protocol/smart contracts themselves. > > - While hacks and phishing risks aren't limited to DEXs, they expose [users to additional attack vectors](https://coinmarketcap.com/alexandria/article/how-to-identify-and-avoid-uniswap-scams): > > > - Given [the ease of creating \(copy/pasting\) and listing a token](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/business/hype-coins-cryptocurrency.html), it's no surprise that scamcoins abound on DEXs, many of which [spoof legitimacy](https://twitter.com/uniwhalesio/status/1357785710896545792). > > - E.g., [researchers identified over 10K scam tokens and scam liquidity pools on Uniswap V2](https://arxiv.org/abs/2109.00229). > > - Or check out [this recent attack which shows how Uniswap v3 liquidity pools can be manipulated](https://twitter.com/Mudit__Gupta/status/1455627465678749696). > > - More sinister is when [developers tweak the token contract to take your assets](https://twitter.com/r0bster97/status/1338182571558055937) or [remove a token's approval function](https://cryptot3ddybear.github.io/posts/scam-explained-bsc-noapproval/), preventing you from dumping the scamcoin you just bought. > ... ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/r6rt5n/general_concepts_round_dex_conarguments_december/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_DEX) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/ylj5uk/daily_general_discussion_november_4_2022_gmt0/).

#DEX Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by MrMoustacheMan which won 1st place in the DEX Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > #DEX - Con Argument > > Reusing my previous entry [from here](https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/pfos3j/rcc_cointest_general_concepts_dex_conarguments/hdw1d32/). > > *Disclosure - I currently hold several DEX governance tokens, ~5% of my current portfolio value* > > ##What are decentralized exchanges and automated market makers? > > * (1) Intro: https://decrypt.co/resources/what-is-decentralized-exchange-dex > > * (2) Vitalik's original Reddit post: https://np.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/55m04x/lets_run_onchain_decentralized_exchanges_the_way/ > > ##DEX caveats > > I'm extremely bullish on [DeFi](https://decrypt.co/resources/defi-ultimate-beginners-guide-decentralized-finance) and believe DEXs specifically hold great promise in terms of: reducing counterparty risk, preserving anonymity and removing barriers to entry for users looking to trade and earn yield. > > That being said, there are some tradeoffs and limitations of interacting with DEXs to be aware of: > > ##Yo dawg, I heard you like decentralization > > - Decentralization can refer [to the protocol itself or to the governance and development of the protocol/platform](https://miro.medium.com/max/1304/0*epCTOVyxEmQq-AiU). > > - [Decentralization is a spectrum](https://nopara73.medium.com/few-words-on-decentralization-and-anonymous-payments-160782d30b9e) rather than a binary distinction. So a DEX may be [decentralized in some ways but centralized in others](https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2018/07/23/decentralized-exchanges-arent-living-up-to-their-name-and-data-proves-it/). Governance and developer control of a platform, for example, can vary wildly: > > >“Some have large control over their direction, others are governed by venture capital investors, and others have broader communities that vote in changes like an open source project.” > \- [Lex Sokolin, CMO and Global Fintech Co-Head, ConsenSys](https://cryptonews.com/exclusives/why-defi-isn-t-always-as-decentralized-as-you-might-think-7695.htm) > > - Users in the [Uniswap Con Cointest thread](https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/og2r4t/rcryptocurrency_cointest_top_10_category_uniswap/) have articulated many of their concerns about whales and VC interests dominating UNI governance politics. > > - But I'll repeat the example of [Uniswap's unilateral decision to delist tokens](https://decrypt.co/76793/ethrereum-dex-uniswap-drops-tokenized-stocks-as-regulators-close-in) after facing regulatory scrutiny from the SEC. Even if a certain protocol is decentralized, the team can take actions to limit access. > > - Similarly, the DeFi community was not too pleased when Compound CEO Robert Leshner [threatened to doxx users](https://decrypt.co/82387/defi-community-blasts-compound-ceo-for-doxxed-comment) who didn't return COMP tokens after a protocol bug. > > - "Code is law. Unless we fuck up. Then we call the IRS on you." said [Blockstream CSO Samson Mow](https://nitter.com/Excellion/status/1443875126982840330). > > - Another concern would be seemingly decentralized platforms like Bancor having backdoors and the ability to freeze user funds ([which they did after a hack](https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/10/bancor-loses-23-5m/)). > > - [As LTC founder Charlie Lee stated](https://nitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/1016499756158234624): > > >"An exchange is not decentralized if it can lose customer funds OR if it can freeze customer funds. Bancor can do BOTH. It's a false sense of decentralization." > > - [Or, as DOGE founder Jackson Palmer commented](https://medium.datadriveninvestor.com/the-lessons-learned-from-a-false-sense-of-decentralization-875b8c2731a6): > > >“The key thing here is not the hack itself — it’s the fact the Bancor team had the ability to freeze funds. How many other “decentralized” DApps have a built-in kill switch that’s centrally controlled?” > > - In removing gatekeepers and intermediaries, DEXs and AMMs promise a more level financial playing field than the permissioned, opaque system of centralized finance. > > - However, even when governance of an open source platform is 'fair' and decentralized, DEX users are exposed to some of the same financial shenanigans inherent to CeFi, [such as front running](https://www.paradigm.xyz/2020/08/ethereum-is-a-dark-forest/). > > - There is no need for practices like [Robinhood's payment for order flow](https://web.archive.org/web/20210729220645/https://www.wsj.com/articles/robinhoods-debut-is-clouded-by-sec-scrutiny-of-payment-for-order-flow-11625655600) when trades are publicly broadcasted for the world to see: > > - "[Decentralized exchanges make it easier for anyone to exploit temporary market inefficiencies for a profit. In other words, it’s easier to front-run the market](https://blog.gnosis.pm/decentralized-exchanges-have-a-problem-7e6d81d91ba1)." > > > - "[Trades on decentralized exchanges \(DEX\) are sitting ducks while they remain idle in the processing queue. A small cohort of developers can and do take advantage of this lag time between hitting the trade button and the trade executing on-chain by front-running, back-running or 'sandwiching' a transaction.](https://www.yahoo.com/now/bad-sandwich-defi-trader-poisons-153336603.html)" > > > ##With mediocre UX comes great responsibility > > - DEXs are often not newbie friendly > > - There is a learning curve to self-custodying and creating a web wallet > > - Because of the immutability of blockchain transactions, it can be [easy for even savvy traders to learn an expensive lesson about human error](https://np.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/jo7lj2/help_needed_i_payed_235172_eth_9500_for_120/) > > - The process can be further intimidating when attempting to[ bridge assets on sidechains and L2s](https://ethhole.link/layer2) (and it is precisely smaller, newer traders who benefit most from[ lower fees](https://l2fees.info/)) > > - So it's not surprising that [many users - especially new market participants - would prefer to accept the counterparty risk of a custodial exchange](https://cointelegraph.com/news/coinbase-regains-1-position-on-apple-app-store-as-crypto-com-jumps-to-third) in return for a consumer oriented and streamlined user experience: > > - Given lack of KYC/AML, the majority of DEXs do not allow for onboarding/offboarding fiat and require users to touch a centralized exchange at some point if they want to get money in or out of 'the system'. > > - To go back to the Compound bug, Leshner clarified that his 'doxx' comment was in reference to DeFi users' interactions with centralized exchanges: > > > "[He said that anyone could identify the public Ethereum addresses that interact with the Compound protocol, and whether they engaged with popular exchanges like Coinbase that collect information about users.](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/04/business/dealbook/facebook-whistleblower-frances-haugen.html)" > > - Few DEXs natively offer the same level of trading functionality as centralized exchanges (e.g. limit orders, stop losses). > > - While centralized exchange users are primarily concerned with fees and spread, DEX users must also familiarize themselves with concepts like [slippage](https://academy.shrimpy.io/post/what-is-slippage-how-to-avoid-slippage-on-defi-exchanges) and [impermanent loss](https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/impermanent-loss-explained) > > - As the market becomes more saturated with DEX platforms and aggregators, it can be difficult for a lay user to evaluate competing promises of trustlessness and decentralization - or recognize when they're being exploited. > > - [Exit scams and rugpulls are prolific](https://decrypt.co/55787/defi-rug-pulls-were-cryptos-top-fraud-scheme-in-2020-ciphertrace) - newbies may find it challenging to verify if a DEX is legitimate, especially when dev teams are anonymous and many users lack technical proficiency to audit the protocol/smart contracts themselves. > > - While hacks and phishing risks aren't limited to DEXs, they expose [users to additional attack vectors](https://coinmarketcap.com/alexandria/article/how-to-identify-and-avoid-uniswap-scams): > > > - Given [the ease of creating \(copy/pasting\) and listing a token](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/business/hype-coins-cryptocurrency.html), it's no surprise that scamcoins abound on DEXs, many of which [spoof legitimacy](https://twitter.com/uniwhalesio/status/1357785710896545792). > > - E.g., [researchers identified over 10K scam tokens and scam liquidity pools on Uniswap V2](https://arxiv.org/abs/2109.00229). > > - Or check out [this recent attack which shows how Uniswap v3 liquidity pools can be manipulated](https://twitter.com/Mudit__Gupta/status/1455627465678749696). > > - More sinister is when [developers tweak the token contract to take your assets](https://twitter.com/r0bster97/status/1338182571558055937) or [remove a token's approval function](https://cryptot3ddybear.github.io/posts/scam-explained-bsc-noapproval/), preventing you from dumping the scamcoin you just bought. > ... ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/r6rt5n/general_concepts_round_dex_conarguments_december/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_DEX) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/ykmhcv/daily_general_discussion_november_3_2022_gmt0/).

I managed to buy a little bit of BTC and COMP today. Maybe I'm a fool, maybe I'm closer to retiring early......only the crypto gods can know.

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What Is DMM Governance (DMG)? Founded on March 15, 2020, the DMM Governance token was designed to support the DeFi Money Market (DMM) Ecosystem, which aims to help connect off-the-shelf assets with the crypto community. The DMM system is decentralized, transparent and designed to enable everyone to re-earn interest in their currency which is backed by real assets represented on the network. The DMM governance token, DMG, is the tool through which the community can govern and grow the DMM ecosystem and the protocol itself. Ownership of DMG represents the right to govern the parameters of the DMM Protocol and the introduction of new assets to the ecosystem. The decentralized community that governs the DMM decentralized autonomous organization (DAO) can vote on modifying the DMG tokenomics and utility, through which they can claim excess revenue that is generated by the DMM ecosystem. This token is a fork of Compound’s (COMP) governance token with added capabilities that include meta-transaction support and a native burn function.

Mentions:#DMG#DAO#COMP

So... one should have sold Ethereum when Compound Finance had an issue? Not selling COMP? That doesn't make much sense...

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My top five are KDA, COMP, ZIL, LDO, AZERO and bullishly waiting for THOL from the AlephZero ecosystem..To me it looks like they're going to change the fundraising area for ever..Democratization and transparency are much needed things in the area

When Compound COMP moves it's back on. Say YES to Yields.

Mentions:#COMP#YES

I member when COMP went mental at the beginning of DeFi summer - think it got up to $800

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I remember when COMP hirn around 1k in the last bull run

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COMP screaming buy from my COMP

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Can explain why people are bullish on COMP? Any articles would be tite too

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ALGO EGLD VLX COMP KDA ..esp looking forward to price action of Velas..i think it will be the most gainzy of them all..Their technology is superb, afterall it is the fastest EVM and the Ferrari partnership is just screamingly bullsih to me. I think they're building the first NFT marketplace for them..Really big news in current times. ALGO gets a lot of mentions on the socials and they're also coming up with nice partnerships so i think it will go at least 3x thru its ATH in the future

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Naaa just gonna ape into Compound (COMP) and Yearn Finance(YFI). Then I’ll wait for the next bull market, when the tide lifts all cryptos

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Also, are you staking on AAVE? I was using that initially but moved to SPOOL because I heard middlewares are less risky than just a single yield generator. And they're plugged into it in any case amongst COMP, IDLE etc. You mentioned NEAR too. OCT is a good one on their ecosystem too.

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I'm curious for ETH holders, is anyone stacking governance tokens like MKR, AAVE, COMP, etc or would you prefer to just buy ETH? I've read that ETH has historically outperformed tokens like the examples I provided.

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Not bad actually. I usually use platforms like SPOOL because they're plugged into AAVE, COMP, IDLE etc but they don't have BTC and ETH yet and it's most likely subject to DAO votes. Only staking USDC at the moment.

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COMP

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Whole article : >Bitcoin rallied 9.5% over the past 24 hours, reaching the highest level in two weeks, as major stock indexes climbed. The cryptocurrency BTCUSD, +9.84% traded at as high as $21,239, the loftiest level since Aug. 26, according to CoinDesk data. The Dow Jones Industrial Average DJIA, 1.09% gained 0.9% Friday to $32,059, and the Nasdaq Composite COMP, 1.86% added 1.7%. Traders are showing some optimism as inflation expectations have fallen ahead of next week’s U.S. consumer-price index report for August. Still, “too much optimism could be dangerous,” considering a slew of bearish speeches of the Federal Reserve officials earlier this month, said Yuya Hasegawa, crypto market analyst at BitBank. The rise in bitcoin is mostly driven by the futures market, according to Maarten Regterschot, contributing analyst at CryptoQuant. The amount of bitcoin transferred from all exchanges to derivative exchanges has recently seen a spike, Regterschot noted. From the technical perspective, bitcoin’s overnight rally has left long-term support intact at around $19,500, Katie Stockton, founder and managing partner at Fairlead Strategies, wrote in a Friday note. “Our short-term gauges have improved, supporting a greater oversold bounce, but we would not be adding counter-trend exposure,” Stockton wrote.

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tldr; Altcoin Sherpa says that the native asset of the lending and borrowing platform Aave (AAVE) may surge to around $300 by the second quarter of 2023. Buying AAVE as it trades sideways could be an "absolute steal" given the huge upside potential, he added. He also says the governance token of the decentralized lending platform Compound (COMP) also offers active traders potentially favorable returns. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.*

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Thoughts on Compound (COMP)?

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What coin have you been DCAin in? I’ve been jumping into COMP and YFI in anticipation of the next bull run

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Maybe I''m a bit old fashioned, but I'll say ALGO, ADA, COMP, MATIC, and MANA.

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Legends will be made in the next bull cycle $LUNC $JASMY $SOL $COMP

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Well when they say buy crypto it goes down, but when they say don't buy...get all in haha..I think the markets have tanked, maybe we are in for another blow to the downside than some crabing and finally new bull run will come..Bullish on COMP GRT THOL SNX ..Wondering if in this bull market ETH will come really close to BTC mktcap...imo its gonna get close cuz of the merge

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Great. COMP still hasn't recovered (relative to other coins) from the late September 2021 bug in a contract update that [dished out $80m in undeserved COMP rewards](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2021/10/01/compound-founder-says-80m-bug-presents-moral-dilemma-for-defi-users/) to some holders, and the PR disaster that followed due to Robert Leshner threatening receivers with the IRS if they didn't pay it back. Confidence building not.

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How might this affect you? Your crypto will remain safe and secure on Robinhood and no action is needed from you for this planned event. As a precaution, Robinhood will pause ETH, AVAX, COMP, LINK, MATIC, SHIB, and UNI withdrawals during the Merge. This pause is a safety-first approach to ensure our systems and the blockchain are stable before continuing withdrawals. Additionally, we recommend not making any deposits of the above noted crypto assets during the Merge because they may take longer to complete. You will be able to continue to deposit and withdraw other supported crypto assets through the crypto’s detail page. We don’t expect any impact on your ability to trade any of our supported crypto assets during the Merge. We also don’t expect this event to impact other networks or cryptocurrencies not mentioned above. We will communicate any updates on crypto deposits and withdrawals related to the Ethereum Merge event. Does anyone use RH anymore?

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Yes. It’s one of the most common uses in DeFi. AAVE and COMP are the two biggest platforms

Mentions:#AAVE#COMP
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I like COMP tbh. Got most of the non BTC and ETH in that these days

Mentions:#COMP#BTC#ETH
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My bi-weekly crypto purchase included BTC, ADA, ETH, COMP and my 8th NFT.

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I bought a small bag of COMP as I do believe we can do some serious damage in the next bull.

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How do you feel about COMP? 10M supply and it’s right around $62 which is 6% of ATH. I’m debating throwing some money at it as my lotto ticket.

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30k is the new 50k, the space are just getting stronger every cycle flushing out the debris. $JASMY $SOL $COMP

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US treasuries, even short term, are paying significantly more right now. If you can access that market it makes more sense to lend there than in Defi. If you can’t, I think the blue chip AAVE and COMP protocols are still where I’d trust my funds even with the very low rates currently

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Definitely a good strategy. I always DCA and then diverisfy either into another asset like index stocks, including VTI or other commodities on DVDX. But most recently it's been stablecoins, USDC and DAI more specifically on yield generators like AAVE, COMP or DeFi middlewares like SPOOL. The third one helps diversify a lot more.

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Legends are born during bear markets $JASMY $COMP $BTT

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Let's see how competitive they are though. I've already been staking DAI on SPOOL, it's plugged into AAVE too alongside COMP, Idle and Harvest. I wonder how the returns on this would be as compared to DAI.

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ERC-20s (most eth tokens) are a specification and implementation of what a base token should be - it's made up of common methods that a token should have (transferFrom, mint, etc) I'd argue it's a better design than a 'native' token - (whatever that means) as it's both standardised, and customisable. For example, you can add metadata to a token on erc-20 quite easily if you wanted, like an erc-721, but this isn't quite the case with a native token on cardano (i.e, the reason cardano has had difficulty with NFTs lol) Also, if you look at the source code for most erc-20s, you'll see that their erc-20 is created as one contract (and transferred to a treasury or whatever), and other smart contracts handle the actual token functionality (LINK, AAVE, COMP), so you can get the same decoupled design youre highlighting here

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$JASMY $SOL $COMP monumental prices

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#DEX Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by MrMoustacheMan which won 1st place in the DEX Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > #DEX - Con Argument > > Reusing my previous entry [from here](https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/pfos3j/rcc_cointest_general_concepts_dex_conarguments/hdw1d32/). > > *Disclosure - I currently hold several DEX governance tokens, ~5% of my current portfolio value* > > ##What are decentralized exchanges and automated market makers? > > * (1) Intro: https://decrypt.co/resources/what-is-decentralized-exchange-dex > > * (2) Vitalik's original Reddit post: https://np.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/55m04x/lets_run_onchain_decentralized_exchanges_the_way/ > > ##DEX caveats > > I'm extremely bullish on [DeFi](https://decrypt.co/resources/defi-ultimate-beginners-guide-decentralized-finance) and believe DEXs specifically hold great promise in terms of: reducing counterparty risk, preserving anonymity and removing barriers to entry for users looking to trade and earn yield. > > That being said, there are some tradeoffs and limitations of interacting with DEXs to be aware of: > > ##Yo dawg, I heard you like decentralization > > - Decentralization can refer [to the protocol itself or to the governance and development of the protocol/platform](https://miro.medium.com/max/1304/0*epCTOVyxEmQq-AiU). > > - [Decentralization is a spectrum](https://nopara73.medium.com/few-words-on-decentralization-and-anonymous-payments-160782d30b9e) rather than a binary distinction. So a DEX may be [decentralized in some ways but centralized in others](https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2018/07/23/decentralized-exchanges-arent-living-up-to-their-name-and-data-proves-it/). Governance and developer control of a platform, for example, can vary wildly: > > >“Some have large control over their direction, others are governed by venture capital investors, and others have broader communities that vote in changes like an open source project.” > \- [Lex Sokolin, CMO and Global Fintech Co-Head, ConsenSys](https://cryptonews.com/exclusives/why-defi-isn-t-always-as-decentralized-as-you-might-think-7695.htm) > > - Users in the [Uniswap Con Cointest thread](https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/og2r4t/rcryptocurrency_cointest_top_10_category_uniswap/) have articulated many of their concerns about whales and VC interests dominating UNI governance politics. > > - But I'll repeat the example of [Uniswap's unilateral decision to delist tokens](https://decrypt.co/76793/ethrereum-dex-uniswap-drops-tokenized-stocks-as-regulators-close-in) after facing regulatory scrutiny from the SEC. Even if a certain protocol is decentralized, the team can take actions to limit access. > > - Similarly, the DeFi community was not too pleased when Compound CEO Robert Leshner [threatened to doxx users](https://decrypt.co/82387/defi-community-blasts-compound-ceo-for-doxxed-comment) who didn't return COMP tokens after a protocol bug. > > - "Code is law. Unless we fuck up. Then we call the IRS on you." said [Blockstream CSO Samson Mow](https://nitter.com/Excellion/status/1443875126982840330). > > - Another concern would be seemingly decentralized platforms like Bancor having backdoors and the ability to freeze user funds ([which they did after a hack](https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/10/bancor-loses-23-5m/)). > > - [As LTC founder Charlie Lee stated](https://nitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/1016499756158234624): > > >"An exchange is not decentralized if it can lose customer funds OR if it can freeze customer funds. Bancor can do BOTH. It's a false sense of decentralization." > > - [Or, as DOGE founder Jackson Palmer commented](https://medium.datadriveninvestor.com/the-lessons-learned-from-a-false-sense-of-decentralization-875b8c2731a6): > > >“The key thing here is not the hack itself — it’s the fact the Bancor team had the ability to freeze funds. How many other “decentralized” DApps have a built-in kill switch that’s centrally controlled?” > > - In removing gatekeepers and intermediaries, DEXs and AMMs promise a more level financial playing field than the permissioned, opaque system of centralized finance. > > - However, even when governance of an open source platform is 'fair' and decentralized, DEX users are exposed to some of the same financial shenanigans inherent to CeFi, [such as front running](https://www.paradigm.xyz/2020/08/ethereum-is-a-dark-forest/). > > - There is no need for practices like [Robinhood's payment for order flow](https://web.archive.org/web/20210729220645/https://www.wsj.com/articles/robinhoods-debut-is-clouded-by-sec-scrutiny-of-payment-for-order-flow-11625655600) when trades are publicly broadcasted for the world to see: > > - "[Decentralized exchanges make it easier for anyone to exploit temporary market inefficiencies for a profit. In other words, it’s easier to front-run the market](https://blog.gnosis.pm/decentralized-exchanges-have-a-problem-7e6d81d91ba1)." > > > - "[Trades on decentralized exchanges \(DEX\) are sitting ducks while they remain idle in the processing queue. A small cohort of developers can and do take advantage of this lag time between hitting the trade button and the trade executing on-chain by front-running, back-running or 'sandwiching' a transaction.](https://www.yahoo.com/now/bad-sandwich-defi-trader-poisons-153336603.html)" > > > ##With mediocre UX comes great responsibility > > - DEXs are often not newbie friendly > > - There is a learning curve to self-custodying and creating a web wallet > > - Because of the immutability of blockchain transactions, it can be [easy for even savvy traders to learn an expensive lesson about human error](https://np.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/jo7lj2/help_needed_i_payed_235172_eth_9500_for_120/) > > - The process can be further intimidating when attempting to[ bridge assets on sidechains and L2s](https://ethhole.link/layer2) (and it is precisely smaller, newer traders who benefit most from[ lower fees](https://l2fees.info/)) > > - So it's not surprising that [many users - especially new market participants - would prefer to accept the counterparty risk of a custodial exchange](https://cointelegraph.com/news/coinbase-regains-1-position-on-apple-app-store-as-crypto-com-jumps-to-third) in return for a consumer oriented and streamlined user experience: > > - Given lack of KYC/AML, the majority of DEXs do not allow for onboarding/offboarding fiat and require users to touch a centralized exchange at some point if they want to get money in or out of 'the system'. > > - To go back to the Compound bug, Leshner clarified that his 'doxx' comment was in reference to DeFi users' interactions with centralized exchanges: > > > "[He said that anyone could identify the public Ethereum addresses that interact with the Compound protocol, and whether they engaged with popular exchanges like Coinbase that collect information about users.](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/04/business/dealbook/facebook-whistleblower-frances-haugen.html)" > > - Few DEXs natively offer the same level of trading functionality as centralized exchanges (e.g. limit orders, stop losses). > > - While centralized exchange users are primarily concerned with fees and spread, DEX users must also familiarize themselves with concepts like [slippage](https://academy.shrimpy.io/post/what-is-slippage-how-to-avoid-slippage-on-defi-exchanges) and [impermanent loss](https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/impermanent-loss-explained) > > - As the market becomes more saturated with DEX platforms and aggregators, it can be difficult for a lay user to evaluate competing promises of trustlessness and decentralization - or recognize when they're being exploited. > > - [Exit scams and rugpulls are prolific](https://decrypt.co/55787/defi-rug-pulls-were-cryptos-top-fraud-scheme-in-2020-ciphertrace) - newbies may find it challenging to verify if a DEX is legitimate, especially when dev teams are anonymous and many users lack technical proficiency to audit the protocol/smart contracts themselves. > > - While hacks and phishing risks aren't limited to DEXs, they expose [users to additional attack vectors](https://coinmarketcap.com/alexandria/article/how-to-identify-and-avoid-uniswap-scams): > > > - Given [the ease of creating \(copy/pasting\) and listing a token](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/business/hype-coins-cryptocurrency.html), it's no surprise that scamcoins abound on DEXs, many of which [spoof legitimacy](https://twitter.com/uniwhalesio/status/1357785710896545792). > > - E.g., [researchers identified over 10K scam tokens and scam liquidity pools on Uniswap V2](https://arxiv.org/abs/2109.00229). > > - Or check out [this recent attack which shows how Uniswap v3 liquidity pools can be manipulated](https://twitter.com/Mudit__Gupta/status/1455627465678749696). > > - More sinister is when [developers tweak the token contract to take your assets](https://twitter.com/r0bster97/status/1338182571558055937) or [remove a token's approval function](https://cryptot3ddybear.github.io/posts/scam-explained-bsc-noapproval/), preventing you from dumping the scamcoin you just bought. > > ... ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/r6rt5n/general_concepts_round_dex_conarguments_december/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_DEX) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/wbjii0/daily_general_discussion_july_30_2022_gmt0/).

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$JASMY $SOL $COMP Long term!!!