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Lord_Alamar

WHERE ARE THE STOCK BEARS WHERE IS YOUR SAFE HAVEN ASSST Looks like they're wrong again folks it's just another WIN for US STOCKS WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE THANK YOU SPY THANK YOU NASDAQ THANK YOU DOW WOOOOOOOOO STOCK BULLS WIN STOCK BEARS LOSE CRYPTO BULLS LOSE CRYPTO BEARS WIN USA USA USA

Searchingforspecial

You should be ashamed and realize that you gave absolute dog shit advice to your family. Your grandma needed a SAFE place to park some cash and you basically told her to light it on fire. The fact that you’re now ghosting your own grandma is pathetic and childish. You’re mature enough to invest your grandma into risky crypto but not mature enough to tell her she’s losing money? Pathetic.

PhillyNJMusicMan

TREZOR SAFE 3 or 5. They are the original, have the longest proven track record and still provide the top not security out there for a hardware device. Look no further than the original. 👍🪙😎

Ill-Chemistry9688

I would agree with your analysis. BTC is the truly fully decentralized asset and historically has been the pillar of crypto. For safer bets yes all in on BTC but lower returns compared to other lower cap assets. I guess it’s the time horizon someone has, always hold, BTC, cash out at some point, then depends. I’d be always holding if I can figure out a way to generate passive income from this locked up assets in a SAFE way eg DEFI (not deep)

FREESTHAI

16 year is a long time, first you need a cold wallet that I'm sure other comment will explain about it. BUT stay informe about bitcoin. For exemple: in maybe less that 5 years you will probably need to "update your wallet" against quantum calculator who will crack any wallet that didn't made the update. So stay alert on any VERIFIED & SAFE news/link.

Alternative-Iron77

So Confused. I don’t want big words and encryption talk. Is WHATSAPP SAFE. Someone is asking for my BTC code. I JUST GOT SCAMMED AND AM SCARED. I ADDED A PHOTO OF A YOUTUBE Picture to SAME PERSON ?

TertlFace

But but but… It’s ***SAFE*** and it’s definitely going to ***MOON!!!*** It’s right there in the name. How could anything go wrong?? It’s the most perfect investment in the history of money. /s in case it’s not obvious.

dj_destroyer

It was approximately $65k around the time of the last halving -- and has basically gone up since then. I try to accumulate before the halving, hold for a year, then slowly decumulate to lock in some gains, always trying to have more BTC than the last cycle. So I know people don't like to hear it, but I just started selling. I was buying in 2023. NOT FINANCIAL ADVICE, HOLD FOREVER IS EASY/SAFE.

JamesBrickley

Yeah.. NOT SAFE!

Emergency-Warthog-56

There are platforms such as Coinbase, Robinhood or Kraken. One mentioned River. Anyway, you pick a creditable platform and Set your reoccurring buys. Whether it be daily, weekly or monthly. That's the start. The next thing is, you don't want to be holding too much online. Such as on the platform or a online wallet. Anything online is Hot basically. Meaning hackers have access to online and could target you. That's where a Cold Wallet comes in or some call it a Hardware Wallet. These are designed to protect your investment. Every address which in your case would be a Bitcoin address, your chosen platform and wallet will create specifically to you. Your ownership of Bitcoin is stored on that address. Now, every address has a Seed Phrase or set of words that's literally the key 🔑 to that address. Anyone hacks that or scams you in to providing that, they then can access your address and wipe you out. Steal everything. So that's where a Cold Wallet comes in. It has hardware designed and built in that never allows online to see it. It only provides a address for swapping when connected. Never store your Cold Wallet Seed Phrase in to anything that has internet capabilities such as a phone or computer. You then defeat the purpose of your Cold Wallet cause your Seed Phrase is on something that could be hacked. An example of a popular Cold Wallet is a TREZOR SAFE 5. I use that. But there are other popular ones. Some more expensive. Good luck and welcome to Bitcoin.

Petursinn

We need SEC, we need regulations, we need laws to make this space flourish and be SAFE for all who put their money and work into it. We dont need more scams, money laundering and fraud, I am seeing all what people were accusing us of being being acted out in full display. We truly are just scammers, launderers and fraudsters the way things are going, from the meme-coins on solana, to the centralized tech bullshit of XRP, SOL, SUI, etc..... and now the pyramid schemes of MSTR and the trump coin, lets not talk about tether.... We truly need a reset of the whole space and another set of regulations to clean this mess up.

JerryLeeDog

NO EXCHANGES ARE "SAFE" They are safe enough to by and transfer when you accumulate too much to lose.

tungfa

don’t do it - u really wanna risk your stash over 70 bucks - come on - don’t be cheap - be SAFE !

TheMajesticPrincess

Depending on price. I'd be happy to long term hold ETH, SOL and DOT. I'm more risk averse than others in the Crypto Space, so choosing market leaders in smart contracts with solid track records is a reasonable play for me. Dot is included as I believe the Layer Zero space has lots of growth room if Blockchain adoption rises. Buy levels I'd be extremely happy with in this market are: ETH \~$1600 SOL \~$120 DOT \~$4 I think there's potential gains of at least 40%+ on all of those prices in a mid-term (over a year) projection. My actual portfolio does not mirror this at present owing to the fact I don't use it to invest and instead use it to trade various volatile projects (eg LCX, SAFE), I do however have a very nice recent buy-in on DOT at 3.95 which I'm hoping to sell for around $4.70 before the end of Q2

MikeFergusonAB

I had to look up DCA. Dollar cost averaging. I'm the opposite view. ALL IN. All the time. Fearless. Whenever I get a great feeling about an investment, while it might take 3 years to pay off, bitcoin is my latest squeeze. I went all in before the election. I had no idea Trump would care. The question is, where is a SAFE place to put money. Stock market? No way, not with the wars and the coming worldwide recession, the massive debts everyone and everything has. Money market? Sure, I wouldn't mind holding cash at a 2% interest rate, but with all governments about to start allowing inflation to manage their debts, I think I'll be losing 4% to make 2% and I have to pay tax on that income. Ouch. Bond markets? Meh same. Utilities? Meh. I figure BITCOIN is the safest place to put cash. Not for gains, but to hold value.

Upstairs_Tomorrow614

Th Gnosis SAFE interface is still down presumably to investigate this possible breach. Anyone have updates?

Maleficent_Sound_919

Sure sounds like a SAFE deal to me

AcidoFueguino

Buy, save the keys VERY SAFE and forgett

luftgitarrenfuehrer

Easiest is probably Electrum. Download from https://electrum.org/ and then (optional but best practice) verify your download with PGP. Run it, create a wallet, write down the seed phrase you generated and keep it someplace safe, pick an address (starts with 1 or bc1), and tell LocalBitcoins to send to that address. Anyone who sees your seed phrase can steal your BTC, so don't let anyone else see it. Put it somewhere SAFE where you won't lose it. Better yet, make multiple (handwritten) copies. Don't post it on the web, don't upload a photo to the cloud, anyone who sees it can steal your BTC.

DBRiMatt

Arbitrum Nova does not support Multsig SAFE wallets, whereas Arbitrum One does. Same reason why EthTrader DONUT went with Arbitrum One.

training_know

Immediately revoke all your smart contracts from the Trust Wallet Menu. It's very well known if that's it: it will siphon off your wallet with each payment into it. In this smart contract section: you can note the names of the smart contracts and search on the net if the contract is corrupted. The corrupted DAPPS are referenced most of the time, this will allow you to understand where your error comes from so that you don't make it again . Because when we start we must not deceive ourselves: we make mistakes, unless you are a computer scientist or have studied crypto++ before the error often comes from us. Then if there is nothing on this wallet nor on this wallet app and after deleting the smart contracts as said - resets the wallet application: then recreate a wallet by writing down your passphrase then keeping it carefully out of reach of any network. (Laminated paper for example and in a safe at the bank or elsewhere. To avoid this as much as possible, these tips are not the only ones but they are the Basic: NEVER buy on small sites / NEVER connect your wallet to sites (DAPP Contract if you see these words: think 20 times before validating the connection to the site with your wallet) buy only AFTER REVOKING all your smart contracts before each purchase / buy ONLY ON SAFE SITES/ First test a payment of a few cents to this wallet then, once verified that no outflow occurs immediately: re-secure by switching your sum to a cold OR physical wallet (hardware) in the same way: a very small sum then a larger one ➡️ledger makes a good system with subscription but which is very good for newbies (they secure your phrase which will be linked to your real identity) You can also choose to only use storage on binance/Bitget/revo etc…… or others and all these companies which will keep in your place (the first 2 years it can be interesting while you learn the flaws of the system ) To start: if you have nothing in this wallet, check in your smart contract section of the menu: this system is often a DAPP which is coded to suck up everything you deposit there Because the biggest flaw for our money in crypto: it is the lack of knowledge of the flaws and how they work: intensive learning and in the meantime only going through sites that have been installed for a very, very, very long time is a good plan to start with. Sorry for you, it's better that it happens at the very beginning, with little change, because as has been said by others: some have lost 100,000 dollars like that Good luck

word-dragon

Good advice. Since you're not sure how it's currently stored, I would go one step further. Get TWO hardware wallets (its good to have a spare set up in a SAFE place somewhere anyway). Set the first one to your current seed phrase ("old"). Set up the second wallet ("new") with a new seed phrase (the vendor will provide you with directions for all these steps, BTW), create a receive address in the "new" wallet, and send all your bitcoin from the "old" wallet to the "new" one. Once you have confirmed the transfer completed successfully, you can wipe out the "old", and make a duplicate of the "new" (usually, a reset followed by setting up with the new seed phrase). So now you have your coin in a new account with two wallets (one you can just stash SAFELY until and if you need it). The advantage of doing the transfer is that even if someone gets control of your computer or whatever wallet you were using, the account its set up for is now empty. Again, I would stress as others have, get your hardware wallet direct from an established vendor - if its been somewhere else, the software you start out with can be compromised. Also, make sure you do all these steps carefully and don't enter any of the seed info into anything electronic other that the hardware wallet - seed phrases should always be stored on paper or, preferably, more durable cold storage - don't ever type in your seed phrase nor take digital photos or it. And they must be stored where they are absolutely safe.

IronMean6467

I wanted to keep mine in FTX because it was SO SAFE. Then I wanted to stake it because it was SO SAFE.

uglygarg

If I understand the concept right (from their website): THEY are creating a public and private key for you. How can this ever be considered SAFE? A simple paperwallet would be much safer...?

Aposseadesse09

OP is correct. Buy and hold. That’s all you have to do. Buy a little bit every day or week and put it in a hard wallet and hold it. This is your high volatility, high growth savings account. It’s scarier than the stock market but safer than your bank account. Tips: - buy using River. No fees for recurring buys - transfer into Blue Wallet every $100 or so. KEEP YOUR SEED WORDS SAFE - once you have enough you’d be scared to use, get a Trezor and transfer it all there

Human-Contribution16

When there is a SAFE and RELIABLE mechanism for Joe Average to borrow against your stack and take advantage of the US tax benefits of paying against a loan the flood gates will open. This is Saylors whole play. X%$ interest on the debt service - X+++$ on increase on the underlying asset (BTC) - money borrowed used to buy more. But don't be surprised if they then change the tax laws to exclude that ability. The game is rigged. House always wins (and we ain't the house).

tobyredogre

His like a big baby throwing the tempa tentrum in his DIEpers ! If he gets elected he will DESSTROY crypto from inside to out ! KAMMALA is the only SAFE option, She will BAN bad crypto's and leave only the good !

JuxtaposeLife

They told me it was SAFE... and going to the MOON... what could go wrong? smh...

tobyredogre

YASS!!!!!!!!!!! Kween Kamala will LOCK DOWN crypto to make it SAFE and under government control. We Rettadors LOVE to see it!1

bigbarryb

ironic that you want to know what we see in Bitcoin while saying you want to know what we see in it other than a decline in purchasing power. First of all, we don't really see a decline in purchasing power because we are looking more than just a few weeks ahead. Now do that for the dollar or even any index in the market... look 10 years ahead with your projected earnings, whatever you can afford to save. Do you project you will be better off in 10 years, or worse off? Don't count on pay rises either... I see a decline in your ability to keep up your existing lifestyle, I see sacrifices. EVEN WITH A SAFE INDEX LIKE THE S&P500 -- indexes track below real inflation. We're all on the same side here, we just want to get out of the rat race, and we don't need it to happen tomorrow because it is exactly that kind of chasing of big wins that gets us further stuck in the rat race. Take a breath, study bitcoin, and come with us. Good luck.

miboc4

If you lose/share your seeds you lose everything. DO NOT WRITE IT IN YOUR PHONE. DO NOT TAKE A PICTURE OF IT. DO NOT WRITE IT IN YOUR COMPUTER. KEEP ONLY COUPLE HAND WRITTEN COPIES AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE SOME WHERE SAFE. MAKE SURE YOU REMEMBER HOW MANY COPIES OF IT YOU HAVE AND EXACTLY WHERE YOU KEEP THEM. YOU ONLY NEED YOUR SEEDS IF YOU LOSE YOUR COLD WALLET. SO IF ANYWHERE ONLINE IS ASKING FOR YOU YOUR SEEDS DO NOT SHARE IT. YOU ONLY NEED YOUR SEEDS IF YOU WANNA RESTORE YOUR WALLET ON ANOTHER COLD WALLET. BEFORE EACH TRANSACTION DO A TEST TRANSACTION ( SMALL AMOUNT).

Nightmare_Tonic

If you were stupid enough to buy a rug so obvious they named it SAFE MOON you fucking deserve what you got

LargeSnorlax

> PEPE is being counted. But it rarely makes it into top 20, it seems. Counts are triggered by "PEPE". I guess I'm confused on how it counts then - In the daily yesterday alone, [PEPE was mentioned 7 times](https://i.imgur.com/x5aHtFQ.png) which should easily be enough for it to be on the list, and it was definitely mentioned outside of the daily as well. > SAFE is a token listed on coinbase API. Huh. I don't think anyone mentioning SAFE was actually talking about this token though... And again, still don't know how it's being counted, SAFE was mentioned 12 times in the daily alone (but the bot registered 10) - And zero times were about the SAFE token. As for MAGIC and MATH, common words being counted (like SAFE) just seems weird. I don't think anyone is actually talking about the tokens when they mention them. > RLY is also a proper coin. But it's full name "rally" is being counted as mentions. Like above, I'm not sure anyone is actually talking about these tokens so it seems weird for them to show up on the list. I think that should iron out most of the weird stuff. :)

ioWxss6_bot

[PEPE is being counted](https://api-y7sbigyecq-uc.a.run.app/volume/PEPE?start=2024-01-01%2000%3A00%3A00&end=2024-09-01%2000%3A00%3A00&granularity=month). But it rarely makes it into top 20, it seems. Counts are triggered by "PEPE". [SAFE is a token](https://www.coinbase.com/price/safe-token) listed on [coinbase API](https://api.pro.coinbase.com/currencies). This API being used by the app to source coin names. Was expecting this to be safemoon as well. Same with [MAGIC](https://www.coinbase.com/price/magic-token) and [MATH](https://www.coinbase.com/price/math). All these are very likely over-counted, because these words are being used in other contexts. Not sure how to fix that. [RLY](https://www.coinbase.com/price/rally) is also a proper coin. But it's full name "rally" is being counted as mentions. Will fix this. The last [10 BNB mentions](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oeg3AV9VA0Ekrf3TRV96LPGoLauk5n5b/view?usp=sharing) seems to be okay. Just pulled these from the db. You are right, G was fixed some time ago. These are really good things to check out. Let me know if you have other ideas what should be fixed or checked.

LargeSnorlax

Well it doesn't actually record certain things (PEPE), it records some things that don't actually exist (SAFE I guess is Safemoon?), registers some things that I'm pretty sure aren't even coins (MAGIC) and some random things like double 00s. I don't think it needs to count stablecoins (Why would anyone want to know about USDC/Tether/Stables?) - I don't think "RLY" is actually a coin, guessing most mentions are like "O rly?" - "MATH" isn't really a coin, at least not that anyone talks about Also where is it pulling the mentions from, just the daily? If so, numbers are whacky - SUI was mentioned 10 times yesterday but lists 9, BNB was never listed (0 times) but lists 6, it says XRP was listed 5 times, but it was listed 4 times (And all 4 times were your bot)

SwingNMisses

It’s frankly embarrassing ICP gets no love. People are over consumed with shitcoins like XMR and SAFE.

Planktons_Eye

> SAFE |18 > MOON |14 This is as close as Safemoon is getting to making a comeback.

Sharp-Mud-7532

For SAFE BET ALGO,MOVR, AGIX and SGB. For the bigger profit low caps some good projects i see are QBIT(a real estate and rwa) , MBD(meta rwa finance), REVV(meta gaming cars) and NAI(ai gpu). Out of these my top picks would be: ....i dont know i like them all lol

SoftPenguins

What keeps me safe: - Hardware wallet for everything that can be stored in a hardware wallet - I assume everyone contacting me out of the blue unprompted is a scammer until proven otherwise. - I use a security key (yubi key) on everything I can. Email, CEXs ect ect. - All passwords and seeds are WRITTEN DOWN ON A PIECE OF PAPER, NOT STORED ANYWHERE DIGITALLY. I respect WRITTEN DOWN AND KEPT IN A SAFE PLACE. NEVER SHARED WITH ANYONE ELSE. To be secure in this space you have to sacrifice convenience. Yes it’s annoying to do all of these extra steps. Yes it’s much easier to just copy and paste seeds or use password managers. But those extra steps are what stands between you keeping your coins and potentially losing everything.

DanceNo7811

No. You need to understand you have short and long term memory, and remwmbering a seed is not the same as remembering a cvv card or your 4 digit pin. In most centralized systems you can risk that given that you will have a process to go to a central authority to reset it. Bitcoin is about descentralization. You will not have an office where you will go crying that suddenly you forgot one or three words of your seed and you realized that long term memory cannot be 100% trusted. Now. One thing you need to learn. Information needs 3 BASIC PRINCIPLES regarding security, called the triad of information: 1. CONFIDENCIALITY 2. INTEGRITY 3. AVAILABILITY (REDUNDANCY) Now. A folk that fails in redundancy thinking one seed in metal is enough. IS STILL FAILING. 2 OR 3 BACKUPS AS MINIMUM. No paper, No wood. Metal if possible (INTEGRITY) ___ BUT AGAIN. NO. SAY NO TO MEMORIZING YOUR SEED. ANYONE THAT SAYS THIS IS SAFE. Needs to read something about short and long term memory and how insecure can this be as a trusting method regarding seed phrases.

LusikkaFeed

And for the possible scared people. HEGE is already over 4 months old and Un-Ruggable. HEGE Rugchecker Report: 100% SAFE. https://rugcheck.xyz/tokens/ULwSJmmpxmnRfpu6BjnK6rprKXqD5jXUmPpS1FxHXFy

drakem92

You might be want to look into a cure for gambling addiction... having issues spending 100$ because you think of investing it more in crypto is crazy, when you have 2.3M$ sitting, Life is meant to be lived man. Cash the hell out and invest 50%+ of that very big bag into sometimg SAFE that will provide you a big passive income to live like a king, anf forget about this bullshit crypto world. Think it like this: you gor really lucky already. Don't challenge the luck.

comp21

Start by deciding what hardware wallet you want to use... I use trezor but there are cheaper options. Then, after setting that up, simply grab a "receive" address from the wallet and "send" the crypto from wherever to that address. Bits of advice: 1) only buy your wallet from an official site, not eBay, Facebook etc. Those are often hacked. 2), regardless of where you get it from, factory reset it before using it 3) when it gives you your 24 words, KEEP THOSE SAFE. If someone gets your 24 words, they get your money 3b) you can set up a 25th word of your own design on a lot of wallets. If yours offers that, use it. Keep that 25th word separate from your 24 and your money is safer.

PhillyNJMusicMan

TREZOR SAFE 3 or SAFE 5, Bitcoin Only model. 👍🪙😎

PhillyNJMusicMan

Get a TREZOR SAFE 3 OR 5 (Bitcoin Only model) and you'll have top notch security, ease of use and a fair price. #BTC 👍🪙😎

BLFPLLC

hell NO NONE OF THESE ARE REPUTABLE OR SAFE

Nfakyle

because of volatility. the whole point is to hedge against volatility, so you have enough liquid assets in SAFE mediums of storage to last you 6 months to whether any storm. if you put it all in btc etfs, and those etf's drop 80% in value in a crash and stay there for a year or two and you have to spend them then you're burning 80% more of your earnings to pay for your emergency. the risk of you having an emergency and having to liquidate btc to pay for that emergency at an unknown valuation is why you do this. like when you reach retirement you don't have your total portfolio in the stock market because if there is a 2008 style crash or anything and the price is down for half a decade or more your retirement just went from great never have to work again to "i don't know how i'm going to pay my bills, medical care and everything for the next 10 let alone 20 years..." so you go conservative as you get older, with years worth of expenses, to whether those storms. someone with 100million doesn't need to grow their 100mil, they need to make sure nothing threatens that 100mil and they can keep it safe.

BrilliantEffective21

depends where you live. also, based on my research, none of those exchanges are SAFE. you have to buy and export out when you feel you've accumulated what is worth enough to not lose on an exchange. don't get shady with taxes if you live in US, that will end biting back hard later.

ImaginaRaccoon

What about SAFE? Never heard of it. Are we pushing this one?

Top_Mind9514

I’m kinda in the same situation. I have a Trust Wallet. Started DCA’ing in December last year. Slowly but surely, what I can spare monthly, usually $40-$70 per month I buy, and send to my Trust Wallet. I’ve had no problems with this Wallet and I’ve never heard anything bad about it either. But you do your own research. And don’t back-up your Seed Phrase on anything that is connected to the internet. NOTHING. Write down your Seed Phrase on paper, make a few copies and put them somewhere SAFE. Best of Luck!!!

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Top Republican Rep. French Hill expressed support for a legislative package that includes both stablecoin regulation and a marijuana banking regime. He has backed the SAFE Banking Act for nine years, which would allow cannabis dealers in legal states to access banking services. The bill might be included in the upcoming Federal Aviation Administration reauthorization. Hill believes this integration could help catch illegal activities more effectively. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

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After further debate and discussion, the mod team proposes that the best approach is to proceed as an unincorporated DAO for at least the first year and thus defer the plan presented by legal advisors to incorporate a DAO in the Marshall Islands. The community initially authorized payment for legal advice to explore our options here: [https://snapshot.org/#/cryptomods.eth/proposal/0xa85cfd6f37e42cdd306d1f0c9cd14b2abf4ed78c755ceabdd422e0fcf814be70](https://snapshot.org/#/cryptomods.eth/proposal/0xa85cfd6f37e42cdd306d1f0c9cd14b2abf4ed78c755ceabdd422e0fcf814be70). To proceed with Marshall Islands will likely cost an additional \~$15,000 immediately and incur ongoing costs of $5,000 + 3% annual “revenue” tax. It would also lock us into that entity to some extent. # Why not Marshall Islands? First, it is useful to review the context of the different legal frameworks that DAOs can operate under: [https://daos.paradigm.xyz/](https://daos.paradigm.xyz/) Ultimately there are limits to the legal protection that a Marshall Islands approach can offer and many DAOs operating today are not incorporated:[ https://www.winheller.com/en/business-law/company-law/dao/offshore-dao.html](https://www.winheller.com/en/business-law/company-law/dao/offshore-dao.html). As we endeavor to further decentralize this project, it may be wise to at least begin in an unincorporated state and give ourselves more time to evaluate the best path forward - as a community and without the mod team paying legal fees at the outset to lock us into one legal wrapper over another. # How would this work? In short: Setup a multisig and for the first year at least and continue to burn everything (AMAs/banner/membership/etc) rather than operate as a ‘for profit’ DAO (e.g. flywheel model of accepting rental payments into a treasury and redistributing funds to users). Move TMD ([u/TheMoonDistributor](https://www.reddit.com/user/TheMoonDistributor/)) holdings to a multisig wallet. Any custodial tipbot or additional community funds would be at least primarily stored in a multisig cold wallet. Restart distribution with TMD holdings. More details below: # Multisig implementation The multisig wallet used will be (Gnosis) SAFE. We would suggest a minimum of 5 multisig key holders and a maximum of 11. This wallet would hold all current assets listed in [https://nova.arbiscan.io/address/0xda9338361d1cfab5813a92697c3f0c0c42368fb3](https://nova.arbiscan.io/address/0xda9338361d1cfab5813a92697c3f0c0c42368fb3) and would entail bridging the MOON balance from Arbitrum Nova to One. It would also custody the cold storage portion of the tipbot and any other custodial services the DAO may provide users, which we propose to set at 95% of the total holdings for any similar service. Multisig would require a threshold of at least 66% of key holders’ signatures to execute a vote. # Multisig member election Candidates to be multisig key holders may nominate themselves or be nominated by others. The requirements for candidacy are having earned at least 5,000 MOON via Reddit distributions and having held at least that balance for a period of six months, or have contributed to the MOON ecosystem in some clear and documented fashion. This proposal would allow for a period of three weeks for candidates to nominate themselves, followed by a one week voting period. A candidate must reach 66% approval to be elected. If there are more than eleven candidates with greater than 66% approval then the eleven with the most yes votes will be chosen. If there are fewer than five candidates with greater than 66% approval then we start over. There is no requirement to undergo KYC to be a key holder. If you are interested in being a candidate or nominating someone else please create a post in [r/CryptoCurrencyMeta](https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrencyMeta/) with the title formatted as “\[Multisig Candidate\] [u/UserName](https://www.reddit.com/user/UserName/) \- 0xETHaddress” # DAO Constitution, Officer Elections, and compensation The mod team is currently drafting a **DAO Constitution**, which is a formal document outlining the structure and ‘rules of the road’ for decentralized organizations and their members (see more here: [https://legalnodes.com/template/dao-constitution-token-foundation](https://legalnodes.com/template/dao-constitution-token-foundation)). We plan to share a draft of this document for comment and to seek input from the community. Part of this documentation entails defining set roles and responsibilities. We probably need to fill at least a secretary and treasurer role, and these roles should likely be compensated. It is less clear at this point if we need an executive role or formal roles for banner/AMA coordinators immediately.Any terms and amounts for potential compensation of formal DAO roles will be put to a future vote for ratification by the community before implementing. ​  # Why continue burning everything for the first year? This is the legally safest path - we are not accepting any funds from third parties, so it is harder to construe that the collective activities constitute a ‘for profit’ business enterprise. It will also simplify bookkeeping and logistics to some extent. # Wen distro? We will use 399996 MOON from [u/TMD](https://www.reddit.com/user/TMD/) to fund a distribution of 33333 MOON per cycle for the first twelve cycles or 336 days (following the same 28 day cycle of previous distributions). This will take us into early 2025, and give us some time to evaluate if we are comfortable redirecting AMA/banner revenue for the purposes of distribution and the legal requirements for doing so. The mod team will honor the community's intent to not inherit the prior rewards formula from former CCIPs: [https://snapshot.org/#/cryptomods.eth/proposal/0xa1e976987bbe708872df698c274083df69d60f7cca4049c793f38e4e3ba35b8d](https://snapshot.org/#/cryptomods.eth/proposal/0xa1e976987bbe708872df698c274083df69d60f7cca4049c793f38e4e3ba35b8d). The mod team proposes that - before distributions can be reinstated - the community will vote on which rules should be deprecated and which should be retained. # Voting For the purposes of multisig key holder elections as well as all future elections moving forward (until modified by a DAO Constitution amendment/referendum), all MOONs are equal for voting purposes - there is no concept of earned or unearned MOON. All proposals require a ⅔ majority to pass. All amendments to the constitution will require a ¾ majority. All votes will be conducted on [https://snapshot.org/#/cryptomods.eth](https://snapshot.org/#/cryptomods.eth) with the goal of moving proposals to the more trustless, programmatic process in the future by combining SAFE multsig with the existing Snapshot governance setup (e.g., oSnap or SafeSnap module: [https://docs.snapshot.org/user-guides/plugins/safesnap-osnap](https://docs.snapshot.org/user-guides/plugins/safesnap-osnap)) . Snapshot poll link: Poll by u/jwinterm *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CryptoCurrency) if you have any questions or concerns.*

iScReAm612

Right now with SAFE exploding I'm so tempted to chase the pump. I'm curious to see if it tanks over night. I'm sure it would if I dumped money into it.

TheRealNotSnoopDogg

Safe to say SAFE is safe

JohnAkaJ

Is SAFE safe?

TheRealNotSnoopDogg

SAFE token doing a little bounce after the CB listing.

verysillyman

Anyone know why SAFE is down 40% today?

tianavitoli

honestly this sounds like a reverse mind fuck hey like totally don't GO TO THIS WEBSITE NOW it's so super shady it's not like I MADE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS and then lost it or anything crazy like that i was promised GUARANTEED PROFITS but there wasn't even any FAST AND SAFE WITHDRAWAL OF FUNDS so the bottom line is do not CONTACT ANNIE THOMAS AT WAVE FINANCIAL LLC she will take you for a ride

BobbyZ122

Three things 1. never keep your crypto on an exchange(if it's not your private key, it's not your crypto) 2. Put your tokens on a decentralized wallet with a secure key device, like a Trezor or a Ledger. It will always be secure and PRIVATE 3. NEVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES share your seed phrase or private key with ANYONE. Keep it written in ANALOG in a SAFE or LOCKBOX If you do these things, it will take an ACT OF GOD to steal your crypto

ProgrammerNo4662

ALWAYS REMEMBER, NOT YOUR KEYS, NOT YOUR COINS! NO ONE EXCHANGE OR ETF IS COMPLETELY SAFE, DO YOUR OWN CUSTODY IN COLD STORAGE SOLUTIONS! WITHDRAWAL YOUR COINS FROM DEX/CEX's

Legitimate_Suit_3431

>Investors are offered a Future Equity Agreement (SAFE) For that reason I'm out

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Quantum Expeditions is conducting a crowdfunding campaign to expand its bitcoin mining operations. Investors are offered a Future Equity Agreement (SAFE) with a valuation cap of $33.3M, betting on the company's future growth. The campaign includes various investment levels with perks ranging from digital wallpapers to naming rights for mining containers. The team, led by experts in the field, aims to scale operations, focusing on buying more ASIC machines and expanding sites. The success of the company is tied to the performance of bitcoin, with a goal to become a $1 billion company within four years, offering a potential return of roughly 2900% to investors. Quantum Expeditions plans to pay dividends from potential profits as early as Q3 of 2024 and is considering an IPO by 2028. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

show-me-ur-kittys

I’ve said it so many times and it always turns out to be true. Doge, Shiba, wif…the *reliable* dogcoins are actually SAFE gambles where you will at least get what you originally put in. Doge WILL reach $1. And Shiba has good tech and potential to be actually useful. I’ve been laughed at so many times for this but my taxes show profits and that’s all that matters to me.

MaryJayWanna

Okay I scrolled for 2 minutes and haven't seen someone say it, which is astounding, but what about a FIREPROOF SAFE?

Tebundo

No, it is not safe. There are safer exchanges but its best to get on another CEX. Binance is sketchy, my bank would have me go talk to a fraud department to just deposit money into Binance. That ended up being such a headache I just moved to another exchanged that was "so-called" safer. But in the end NO EXCHANGE is SAFE because at anytime you could lose access or just lose all your crypto. You buy and transfer than sh!t to your cold storage wallet. If you don't control it you don't own it.

Simon_Says_Simon

It is not a SAFE place. But it could very well increase in value. But just because Bitcoin is scarce, doesn't automatically imply prices are going up.

CryptoNerd_16

As most of people in comment are suggesting to sell, I would say just cashout the amount you are confrable with (5k/10k) and make sure your assets are at SAFE place right now.

Fish_OuttaWater

No because IF you took a profit, you’d have to pay short-term gain tax on it. Depending on your tax bracket that could land you up to 37% to Unc Sam (unless you live in Puerto Rico or Portugal - in which case they don’t charge capital gains taxes on crypto). Yet buying in when it is high (how high it may go further we can only speculate, but none of us know for certain) means that your cost basis will also be high. Those of us who are profitable right now, if we were to cash out for fiat, most likely bought in at a lower cost basis. IF you have those funds already dedicated to buy a vehicle, than a SAFE place to park it instead of as a dust rag would be a [Wealthfront](https://www.wealthfront.com/c/affiliates/invited/AFFB-RCXJ-TKY5-M3DS) account where you can make 5% APY on it (compounding daily) and monthly disbursement. That’ll generate about $114 in one month. So if you opened the account today, and funded it, you’d receive your interest payment on April 1. That link is an affiliate link which would generate an additional .50%, for a total of 5.50% for both you & me for 90-days. As that is the maximum you could earn from Wealthfront, unless you open an account & send your affiliate link out to others who are interested in making the highest interest-yield on savings. The account acts as a combo saving/checking account, in that you can open w/ as little as $1.00 USD & make as many deposits/withdrawals as you want with absolutely NO FEES. You can even request a debit card, and they can issue you an immediate debit card for your eWallet which will work instantly while waiting for a physical card to arrive. As an additional peace of mind, is that Wealthfront uses FDIC to insure your cash up to $8mil because of all the banks they are affiliated with, which is unheard of as the industry standard (including your brick & mortar) is only $250k (per individual, per financial institution [not account]). I used to park cash in my safe but knew the fiat was sitting there cold & doing nothing but being a dust rag. Now i park my cash in Wealthfront and have generated over $500 in just a few months. Plus I can move money from Wealthfront right into my investment accounts when I’m ready to put that money to work. Some transfers are same-day, others take up to 3-days. You will have to explain to someone at the bank why you are making a deposit over $10k in cash, as the bank will have to generate a Form 8300 (which is Unc Sam’s way to track cash coming into the bank in larger sums - with the goal to prevent laundering/trafficking)… and don’t think you can make deposits under $10k & do so a few times a week, or over the course of a few weeks. As that is called ‘structuring’ & is illegal. The $10k cash trigger is for a 12-month period😔 (I make large cash deposits often, so have had to polish up on all this BS). Mine are legitimate transactions, but is good to know. Hopefully you aren’t in the states & none of this applies to you.

PhillyNJMusicMan

My opinion, for ease of use, newer state of the art security, and value for your money: TREZOR SAFE 3. 👍🪙😎

LuganoSatoshi

that means nothing when the country has 0 security and only a person with no mental health would want to live there when it migth be cheap but its totaly insecure. Got better and cheap places and SAFE even in Europe

mrKennyBones

I’d say some of the projects within the Cardano ecosystem. $SNEK is a good meme coin, $AGIX, $IAG, $COPI and $BANK for gaming. And while it’s slower because it’s Cardano, who the fuck cares when it’s SAFE and predictable to use. This is a no-brainer to me. Cardano projects will go to the moon like any other chain. But the risk is so much lower on Cardano. Speed will come, that’s not the most important right now. Other, much larger problems needs to be solved first. Then those will and can scale later.

PhillyNJMusicMan

TREZOR SAFE 3... Top not security, everything done offline on the physical device, and easy to use... Also for under $100. Also, load the Bitcoin only firmware. #BTC 👍🪙😎

binglelemon

1. Obtain cold storage. 2. Write down seed and keep it somewhere *REALLY FREAKIN SAFE*. This is important step 4. 3. Obtain crypto of your desire and store privately. 4. Go to jail for 10 years. 5. Get out, get paid, get rich.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; The article discusses how blockchain technology is being utilized by top healthcare companies to address challenges in the industry. Acoer is enhancing health data interoperability with its Health Data Explorer. HealthReady is improving clinical trials and patient data integrity using Hedera Hashgraph. SAFE is creating a secure ledger for health records to prevent data breaches. MyTERA is using blockchain for detailed occupational health records, and Charles River Laboratories is incorporating blockchain for drug development integrity and traceability. These examples show blockchain's potential to revolutionize healthcare by improving data management, patient privacy, and industry efficiency. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

Perfect_Ability_1190

1. Acoer 2. HealthReady 3. SAFE Health Systems 4. MyTERA 5. Charles River Laboratories

DogCallCenter

**HELLO! IS MY WALLET SAFE?** bc1qhd52eknkhzw5cfz26w482tm7xerxhtzj97ecun

JaggedMan78

keep crypto safe or in danger? ​ OF COURSE SAFE !

edislucky

I think you don't understand how ledger works. It's not saved on the ledger. That can be destroyed, it's the 24 words you need to keep safe. Have a practice with a wallet and moving funds and then resetting them and restoring them. That should give you confidence in the tech. Then if you are keeping for the very long term you should back up a seed onto metal and save it VERY SAFE. Keeping some online if you intend to trade it or cash out in less than a year or two.

Exciting_Shoulder_38

Check Out SafeCoin (SAFE), a community fork of Solana. But do your own research, first. I, for one, am invested in it. Or maybe buy a lottery ticket. Lots of lottery tickets.

Deez1putz

Sure, but that largely speaks to regulation, right? If you tokenized RE in this environment where people pretend "code is law" that is a non starter (of course "code is law" is not reality anywhere). There are plenty of benefits (potentially) to tokenizing RE. If RE was a token (and thus all prior ownership interest was visible) you could largely opt out of things like title insurance. Or, if you still had TI, because the history of title was easier to see the title insurer would charge much less to insure. Similarly, escrow wouldn't go away, but escrow could be much more automated and cheaper. Taking out debt instruments secured by the property would also be streamlined. An example might be a Mortgage on a house someone I own free and clear. Currently, if I want a mortgage I have to go make an application at a bank or mortgage broker. The bank is going to charge me a pile of origination fees, the bank is going to need to check on the title, the bank is going to need to check to see how encumbered the property currently is with debt and so on. Rarely do people shop around too much between banks/brokers. If the title was tokenized, prior inspection would be linked, value would be more knowable, ability to see debt encumbrances would be instantaneous and transparent, and overall the process could be more automated. More automated = competition to reduce prices. Beyond that the borrower would have access to people willing to fund part of the mortgage from all across the world and would be sure to get a better interest rate. Currently if someone steals your NFT the exploit is visible on chain and the police will try to find the person, prosecute them, and get you your NFT back (something that is really interesting that we are going to be seeing more of is if you buy a stolen item - even if you didn't know it was stolen - you have to return it to the rightful owner and it is the purchaser who is fucked). Obviously, there aren't too many law enforcement entities who have any idea how to do this, but more are starting to. The smart hacker, however, sells the NFT and washes the funds and never touches a centralized exchange. This is why stealing RE NFTs have no upside for an attacker. Everyone can see it is stolen and to attempt to utilize this token you have to go to the house and evict the rightful owner at which point you are arrested. In the scenario you mentioned with the hacker on your doorstep it wouldn't be that problematic. You were notified immediately when your NFT exited your wallet and made a police report (actually the hack never happened because of the robust safeguards wallets have in 2040 including a user set cooling off period before any transaction completes and you can void the transaction after the US legislature passed the SAFE WALLET ACT of 2036). The hacker was stupid enough to show up on your doorstep and was immediately arrested. After police department on chain experts (which in this year 2040 is the fastest growing major) looked at the transaction they identified that you had connected your wallet to a drainer address and the transaction was easily identified as fraudulent. Hacker goes to jail and NFT is returned. If hacker refuses then the old title is voided and a new one issued all of which is visible to future owners and lenders on your blockchain title.

BrianS911

All I can say is Cosmos ecosystem is straight fire right now Mars protocol,,Osmosis,Flix,Tia,Juno,And some sleepers Oraichain,Kava,and Shade are all ones to watch!! All in all a good holiday weekend!!!! Time to smoke that sticky icky from the dispensary, Fn banked on that one as well with all the new cro rewards I'm thinking about a partial direct deposit set to Icy white instead on ramping through electronic transfers.... STAY SAFE AND DONT DRIVE INTOXICATED MY FRIENDS !!!! HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!

Important_Cow7230

I’m not disagreeing with anything you are saying and agree Wall Street isn’t completely ethical, however for the average person it works, is fair, and most importantly SAFE. And it’s a difficult argument to say crypto is more ethical than Wall Street isn’t it? With all the shilling, pumping, rug pulls, shitcoins and how much is it used by criminal organisations. The average citizen can take sound financial advice and invest in the S&P500, proven to deliver above inflation growth for decades, and whilst past performance isn’t indicative of future performance it’s fair to say that if the S&P500 tanks EVERYTHING tanks anyway, including crypto. And importantly investing in the S&P 500, through a company like AJ Bell, is safe and secure, often fully insured and often available in tax efficient wrappers. It’s a safe place to put your money and let it grow assuming you aren’t a criminal or shady. People talk about “self governance” in crypto being a good thing but for most it isn’t. For most people the best thing is AJ Bell, and the amazing customer support you get for the relative small fees you pay compared to crypto. Who really wants to lose their 90% of their wealth because they’ve lost a cold wallet key? I certainly don’t…. but I’ll call AJ bell customer service if I’ve forgotten my login. That’s why only 5% of my assets are in crypto and that will never change based on the current structure.

Regular_Chapter_788

If I am ever having a shit day, I visit the MOON landing is SAFE subreddit. It brightens my day.

01technowichi

Isn't that the point of "Altcoin?" Bitcoin gets its own category because people look at it as special, dlthen there's decent projects that aren't #1 dubbed Altcoins (LTC, ADA, ETH, XMR, etc) then the rest are shitcoins (BONK, SAFE, etc). Something shiny and new would automatically be a shit coin until it proves itself with a good track record and joins the ranks of altcoin. Isn't that the going parlance?

Hutchison5899

But but but.... SAFE AND MOON!!! LOL Some people deserve to be seperated from their money.

LuganoSatoshi

In reality your Bitcoin isnt on the Trezor, its in the blockchain, the trezor is just a key. You just need to keep SAFE your seed words.

tooheavybroo

But it has SAFE in the name!!!

TertlFace

But but but… it’s ***SAFE!*** And it’s guaranteed to ***MOON!*** It’s right there in the name. How could it be anything but a solid investment?

EniGma249

Part of reason why this community blindly buys and sells their crypto based on posts they see here and lose money is the same reason more than 80% comments have failed to realize that the fault is not ledger's BUT their CDN is compromised which runs a malicious Javascript when you connect to any dapp which is using Ledger connect kit. IN LAYMAN'S TERMS YOUR COLD STORAGE LEDGER WALLET IS SAFE.

LuganoSatoshi

have you heard that you can use a pencil or pen to write it in a piece of paper? old school method 100% efective. or even bettee a metal sheet and imprint the seed words and keep them SAFE. why complicate something that has already a solution for and has been working for years during many years.

cheerful_afternoon

Open electrum > standard wallet> i already have a seed> *enter your seed phrase* > click the options button > check the BIP39 seed> click next> click on detect existing accounts. It should find and import your wallet. I cannot stress this enough: MAKE SURE YOUR COMPUTER IS CLEAN AND SAFE. If you are unsure, a clean OS reinstall is not at all an over kill.

SunDreamShineDay

MaidSafe was founded in 2006, the SAFE network was created to let users share HD, Memory and CPU resources, the coin MAID was released in 2014.

tudorcj

It’s all FOMO. Try some more moderate youtubers instead - you will find that the “Blackrock Bitcoin ETF” is really not coming (as a matter of fact, there already are Bitcoin ETFs, which begs the question why does this one need so much marketing?), that it’s “registration” is actually with a private company and that there is no “SEC window to approve all pending ETFs”. Be very careful: crypto is NOT SAFE. If you’re OK with the possibility of losing the entire 120k (as many, many have suffered over the years) then go ahead. The traditional markets have always paid off over the medium and long term, however. I’m not saying to completely pull out of bitcoin, I’m saying to only put in what you are prepared to lose.

JerryLeeDog

Binance could completely fold over this, hypothetically. This is why NO EXCHNGE IS SAFE TO HOLD ANYTHING. take your shit off exchanges people, or you absolutely will lose it all.

jboy69x

anything with the word SAFE and TRUST is the opposite.. don't do it.... learn how to secure your own keys using a passphrase... BTC Sessions has great content on youtube.

Bitcoin1776

A tidbit of follow up. So I reported this all to the correct channels, not expecting shit. 4 months later I got a phone call "The FBI". Logically I don't pick up - they leave believable message. I call pops, ask him 'how's his day going' etc. FBI will always contact friends / relatives prior to you, when investigating you. You are always contacted last. FBI message was like "I came by your office, you weren't there. When I looked for you at your parents house, you weren't to be seen..." So I googled, this number was the number that appeared in Google as local FBI office (but THIS IS NOT FULLY SAFE - Google can get hacked... but I was willing to take the risk, reviews whatever were years old, etc). So I call back : FBI - "Is this Bitcoin 1776?" Me - "Well I can assure you this is the phone of Bitcoin 1776, so I do not know who else it could be." FBI - "Is this Bitcoin 1776?" Me - "This is a very interested party in the Bitcoin 1776 matter, a representative, so feel free to go ahead." FBI - "It's about the hack..." (I assume they have voice identification and at this point they presumably knew it to me). After some 15 minutes or so, I agreed that I was most probably Bitcoin 1776. The FBI went on to say his 'first choice of contact' was to show up my last 3 known addresses (in plain clothes I presume) - which would have been exceedingly disconcerting and is not in the least bit 'safe' - as in me stepping out to any man in a suit, or letting a suited man in, is just... a wild, wild, wild expectation to have on citizens, but moving on.. He then said he caught the hacker (which is very surprising). It was an American he said / implied (and I was aware a lot of his VPNs were US addresses, which made me think American too). We talked some, and my losses were too minimal IMO to justify further investigation / criminal proceedings just for me (far less than $5k overall - Coinbase trading fees, essentially). But he was very pleased I think trying to make the case 'as big as possible' to get more notice from the FBI, this was the manner I took the interaction. He then proceeded to ask for my new address so that I could receive updates - I declined lol. He never asked for like 'confirming details' (social, etc.) - just name and that's all - which again made me think it was real FBI. He was very friendly - and more disappointed I didn't want to attend court / press charges more aggressively, I felt. And 40 mins later that was that. Obviously the FBI could have been contacting for a dual purpose, the hack and 'some other matter' - but I have moved outside of jurisdiction (effectively), so I felt at ease. There are rules they must follow, and even if it was for some 'low level' crime they wanted me for (I dunno) - they still can't investigate you if you live in Alaska backwoods. Just the cost of serving you papers might be like $35,000 for an agent to find you. Let alone the dozen or so follow-ups. But anyways. It was a scare, but also a nothing burger. Good luck all!

Bitcoin1776

I can pretty much assure you what happened (because it happened to me, but I had no bad outcome). Keepass (what is being called a 'password manager') is 100% secure. However the password to KeePass was something like "Bitcoin" - which yes, can easily be brute forced and KeePass doesn't stop brute force. The hacker got his keepass file from his harddrive... this is extremely hard to do (in normal circumstances) - EXTREMELY hard... except Microsoft now 'auto syncs' your entire hard drive using One Drive - unless you aggressively deny it (I do). Google Drive *can* do similar. So basically I can almost assure you the 'dad' clicked the default options on windows install - which steals all your Bitcoin keys / self hosted password managers. Now Microsoft is setup (again by default) to let you get all that easily from anywhere in the world.. F'ING GREAT! All you have to do is reset your password - which can be done by text or email. He would have known if his phone was stolen, so they must have cracked his email. Again, emails are similarly setup to open anywhere in the world via text or email to some other old email. Another possibility is reused passwords - like your home depot password is your email password as well.. ALL BITCOINERS MUST SET UP --- EMAIL --- TO 2 FACTOR AUTHENTIFICATION. This will stall a hacker a least a day. In my case, they had been targeting me for months / years, with advanced 'phishing' emails (use of real name, business intent, possibly legit files to 'download' etc). I fell for none of this. Eventually they stole my phone (using a T mobile Israeli office - they steal your phone number, not the device, also called 'sim swapping' - but it's fully remote and you can't *really* stop it - any $10 hr worker anywhere in the world can defeat you). After stealing my phone - they reset all email passwords and financial accounts - using 'text to phone' to override - and then 'text to email' once email was secured - this basically breaks into everything in the world. And while doing all that - they also IMMEDIATELY - hacked my G Drive, One Drive, Drop Box, etc. and grabbed everything there (this would be where people keep their KeePass or BTC seeds). > I'm personally not huge on 'self storing' - as a similar incident where my dad was the backup - he threw the USB drive 'into the junk drawer' - and then the paper with all the info in a book.. that he gave to the library.. - IF you give parents / relatives a hard copy of BTC info - PUT IT IN A SAFE - not because it's relevant, but this prevents them from easily losing it. Also my dad had movers grab all his stuff one day, and if they grabbed USB drives he would have never noticed for months... a Safe is the only real way (don't even give them the combo if it's a 'only if you die' tool - this is particularly good for spouses / friends). Anyways - from the time they Sim Swapped me in Israel (9:30pm on Friday) - to the time they had downloaded all cloud files and cracked all related websites - was 5 MINUTES. Five minutes.. In my case, I don't use any cloud storage, immediately delete / uninstall OneDrive (as I understood the risk years ago), and my G Drives... well I got 6 of them. My main one is not with my main email, etc. The only financial account they got was Coinbase - and even though I notified coinbase as fast as humanly possible - coinbase DID allow them to sell my BTC for 'penny stocks' - as whitelisting doesn't stop that... in this case, the penny stocks did better than Bitcoin over the 3 months it took for CB to give my access back.. all the while deny I have any money at all.. the hackers submitted 'verified ID' (fake licenses / passports) at roughly a rate of every 30 minutes, over a 7 day period. > They only way to notify CB is to buy a burner phone, setup a new account, and then call CB from your burner and wait 3 hours explaining it to some fuck stick moron who can't speak english. I carry burners on me, and was at an airbnb with no wifi - so not only did I lose signal (which you really wouldn't pay attention to generally, could be storm / tower, could be anything, and your phone doesn't notify you) - but I also lost internet because no wifi - that's why I responded so fast - I notified Coinbase within 30 minutes. Coinbase refused to take any action for 3 hours. !!! - and then only agreed to halt trading after 1 week of me calling them constantly - EVEN AFTER they noticed the identity theft.. But the basic steps to stop this: 1) Don't do any 'auto sync' cloud storage stuff, delete One Drive like it's cancer. 2) Setup email on 2FA - Google Authenticator to crack (TONS less secure now that it is auto cloud'd). 3) Develop a 'unique' password system. This is easy. Think of a word - let's say Bitcoin. Then think of numbers - let's say Bday 4 social - then the website you are on - then special letter. Then shorten the word from Bitcoin to B. So it'd be like: B0115794321Reddit* Nobody is ever cracking that... 'long and crazy' is a small part - the MAIN THING (I use to run with hackers) is the UNIQUENESS "Reddit" - you can't use a bot to auto crack passwords if they all unique. And if you don't know, for $5 I can bet like the top 5 commonly used passwords for every reddit users / and their linked accounts. It's just like a $5 / month fee to get access to all passwords ever leaked - with very good 'networking' (list of websites used) information - only unique passwords stop this. > Another possibility is they hacked the Microsoft account - and his windows profile was set to 'roaming' (again, another bat shit stupid default you must deny) - when set this way, I can duplicate everything on your desktop anywhere in the world in seconds. This is probably more likely than the OneDrive crack, as hopefully the dad would have stopped OneDrive but wouldn't have even known his profile was set to 'roaming' as it's completely pitched as a 'security' feature, when it's the opposite. The hackers have 'hacked' my Microsoft account like 30+ times. This is the only account they hack repeatedly, that and Instagram for some reason lol - ahhh... probably looking for blackmail. 4) Any true self storage needs to be on USB / not your hard drive - keep it disconnected by default, and in a safe so you can't misplace it with ease / 'internet repair guy' steals it and you don't even notice, etc. 5) Keep a VOIP, burner phone handy - know how to use it. I was traveling, and all T mobiles were closed next 2 days (weekend). Without burner I couldn't uber, or do a million other things... 6) You can't really trust anyone else to understand the importance of not being careless. Either buy them a safe... or don't trust them. Dude is blaming his dad (get it) but other than the super easy KeePass password, the rest 'could happen to anybody' and 'f you' for trusting someone else with your life.. even if pops. But ya, my pops made it easy and obvious to me not to trust him haha. Girl Partner did the same, she can barely install windows - I'm positive all her files are OneDrive / remote user profile'd. 7) Your biggest enemy is the internet. You could have a poster board with your seed phrases on it, and go 20+ years without a theft. Anything connected to the internet, getting hacked by anyone world wide... give it like 3 weeks. Paper - physical safes - are your friend - computers are NOT your friend. That's about all I can think of. And (obv) set everything to 2FA rando number code, if it's email or financial. And be aware that these fuckers who shove shit coins with no true market down your throat - basically make whitelisting pointless. You should be allowed to DENY trading into this 'hacker scam' coins - but you can't - so be aware of it (if I have BTC and can not withdraw... I can buy 'SHIBE' or similar penny stock 'at market' - while selling my SHIBE on another website... and effectively I've withdrawn all the funds, and bypassed whitelisting... with some 20% loss or so). White listing should also apply to all coins / markets you don't actively engage in, IMO. But ya, KeePass is safe - this issues is *most likely* a Microsoft 'auto update to cloud' system - and then 5 mins later cracked open - and the user / dad never notified at all.

bandoonparade

I really expected more discussion about this in this sub, given the widespread attitude about SAFE...

TertlFace

But but but… it even has SAFE in the name!

Sothisismylifehuh

I think you would be surprised how many newcomers end up investing in SAFE, PEPE or any similar token.