ICE

Hot_Philosopher3199

And the point of Tesla is no more ICE, but that's not going to happen. The value of Bitcoin is its Fiat value......

tayfun333

That's what ICE that it has been more than one week and if the trance Action Fee would have been to low day would have charged me because the have my PayPal

jwz9904

shill me ICE

gr8banter

What the hell is ICE open network? 2.4 million twitters followers and it’s open is under 40 million market cap..?

NonTokeableFungin

How about : If punchcards die, all computer programming will be dead and irrelevant … If vinyl records die, all recorded music will be dead and irrelevant … If ICE engines die, all cars will be dead and irrelevant …. If floppy disks die, all media storage will be dead and irrelevant …

URPissingMeOff

You didn't really answer the question. HOW are you generating the power? Steam turbine? Gas turbine? ICE?

Yumiaomiao2986

It’s true that some exchanges have tightened their futures trading rules, especially for certain assets. However, there are still large platforms like CME Group and Intercontinental Exchange (ICE) where you can trade futures on a variety of commodities, indices, and even cryptocurrencies. If you’re looking for an active futures market, it might be worth checking out these exchanges.

Daisyssssmom

How cold? ICE COLD!

Unixwzrd

AFTERTHOUGHT AND REFLECTION: - couldn't edit original post to add this, but... Further thoughts, after thinking this through a bit, I mentioned not trusting those drives as something might have been put on them and is sitting waiting for them to be connected to something, as someone mentioned to me you may want boot a live image from a USB drive. Don't do this with a machine you care about, go to New Egg or someplace and buy a cheap motherboard and disks just for recovery. Don't connect it to the machine to the Internet. The most likely danger from these disks which have been lovingly cared for by ICE for 12 years, might have had their firmware flashed, which woudl be almost impossible to detect and could flash your BIOS or firmware in other devices on your hardware. Bitcoin was $4 a coin 12 years ago, and you've been waiting 12 years to get these back, a couple more weeks and being extra careful won't hurt. Treat anything connected to the recovery machine as infected and throw it away, making sure you do not connect it to anything else. There are stories of the evil USB sticks people find in the parking lot at work or elsewhere, treat these drives as though they are a complete biohazard. Take your time and do this right and I really hope you have a small fortune you can recover. Good luck!

Unixwzrd

Yeah, that's a good point rather than just a VM, maybe build a new machine you plan to throw away and boot of the USB and a live image. Maybe it's me, but I woudln't trust those disk drives after ICE had them for 12 years, and definitely not connected to a machine on the Internet. You have a good point there, I had mentioned before not trusting what might be on the drives, but if there is anything it could do just about anything, so forget about your BIOS, any attached disks, and even sadly any USB controllers and other items on the machine would be suspect. Be prepared to throw away everything after the recovery. As I said, waiting 12 years for a bitcoin wallet with a couple of bitcoins in it, you have time to do it right, even buy the disposable hardware., I mean bitcoin in 2012 was about $4 a coin then. I'd ant to be careful, because you could be sitting on a small fortune now.

cerebralvenom

Generally I’m with you, the Bitcoin subreddit is usually filled with techy type people, so he can probably figure it out. But something as simple as running vms on a machine can be pretty over the head of a standard user. Not that he doesn’t need this info. I would honestly not be surprised if ICE dropped malicious files on these drives. So he should read and understand the risks. However, honestly if he’s gonna go that far, I’d prolly just recommend doing a live SIFT boot off a USB. Then running all the forensics tools. I think in general, if you’re not going to go that far, OP, look at FTK Imager. It’s built to do this stuff and pretty intuitive.

nerdiestnerdballer

Why did ICE confiscate your drives?

crankykaren

ICE-HSI homeland security

crankykaren

ICE-HSI homeland security

Schneehenry3000

Newbie here, whats ICE?

an0myl0u523017

So they give you the btc back so they can come and arrests you for proceeds of crime amd tax evasion. 😂 Send them back to ICE bro.

Unixwzrd

Sorry, but hijacking this as no one has mentioned it. Go to [SANS.org](https://SANS.org) That is the Systems and Network Security organization, they give courses on forensics. They also have a lot of resources you will need or at least find handy as you go looking for your data. They have lots of free resources and information here at: [CyberSecurity Resources](https://www.sans.org/security-resources/) along with free tools, most Linux based, like the SIFT toolkit. You can find these tools here: [CyberSecurity Tools](https://www.sans.org/tools/?msc=securityresourceslp) including the [SIFT Workstation](https://www.sans.org/tools/sift-workstation/) which is an applianc ethat can be loaded into a virtual machine. Don't mount your disks directly, use a virtual machine, mounting the disks could destroy data too, so make sure you use "dd" and make a complete backup copy of the disk. A complete (compressed) image can be made like this: `dd if=/dev/sd2 | bzip2 - > MyDiskImage.bz2` MAKE BACKUP COPIES OF THESE FILES AND DO NOT STORE THEM ON THE SAME DEVICE. Make a backup copy of that file, the /dev/sd2, should be replaced for whatever device is created for the attached device, you can sometimes hot-swap these devices too. Make duplicates for reach disk and keep more than one copy, use a copy and uncompress that copy if you start using any tools on that image, so you have a "pristine" image you can always go back to in its original state. READ THE INFORMATION ON THE SANS SITE BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING!. I cannot stress this enough , they have enough information on their site under the resources link to help you get what you need. Use their tools, they work and they are good, they are what many professional forensics investigators use. If you download anything from the SANS site, be sire you check the checksums on the files / OS Images / Toolkits. The checksums are there along with instructions on how to check them. There are many tools there, but the SIFT Workstation is one of the best and has all the tools you will need. RUN INSIDE A VIRTUAL MACHINE ALWAYS, NEVER ATTACH YOUR DRIVES TO ANY MACHINE YOU USE. You don't know what's been put on those disks. The SANS Organization is responsible for certifying and training people in digital forensics, including your friends at ICE and other LE agencies, if the tools are good enough for them, they are more then enough for your needs. As for storage, go to Amazon and get several USB disks (big-guns, like 5-10TB) you can get these for real cheap and don't need anything fancy, spinning rust will do. Hope that helps and I wish I had a couple of those bitcoins from that far back. If you have any questions about the procedure, let me know, I'll try to help, but I think you will find everything you need on the SANS web site. Good luck, I hope you get your wallet back!

BigEyeDuck

Why is no one asking what ICE possibly did to the disks or integrity of the disks? They Likely also have an image. Just sayin.

tm52929

Ummm ICE? Internet Child Exploitation? That’s an investigative unit in Canada. I hope that’s not accurate and the reason why they had it!

No_Astronaut_8971

ICE forced you to hold it lol

MagicMycoDummy

ICE already has your BTC.

MountainAmbianc

ICE stole your coins

retr0ctv

Can we get the deets as to why ICE had your hardware? I feel like there is a good story there

RDMvb6

Would love to hear the story about how ICE ended up with your hard drives that had bitcoin on them please.

Stuckinthesandbox

This is the same mentality of “I’m not going to let someone work on my $100k Patek Philippe because they might steal it.” There are extremely reputable data recovery services out there, I’ve used many. Had $60k in BTC recovered off a completely failed RAID setup where two drives failed simultaneously. Both the primary and backup. It was $6k to recover back in 2016, but well worth it. That same business is still professionally recovering. OP is welcome to take the poor advice here of “recover yourself“ but we have no idea of how the drives have been handled. Both by ICE, but also any third party to include the shippers. For all we know, the second he boots it, the actuator arm could’ve failed and the read/write heads will shave the entire first layer of the platter. Happens all the time if it was mishandled. You will potentially sabotage any chance of recovery if there is any physical damage. Insane that people are suggesting to just boot them when they potentially have $180k on them. But this is Reddit so I’m not surprised.

OkBurner777

I agree with the risk sentiment, I’m definitely more bearish on the market this fall than bullish, tons of uncertainty after the huge tech run up this winter/spring. Naturally, I think that a massive expansion of tech - AI, chips, rockets, etc, has to be followed by expansion into energy. This is also supplemented by the geopolitical considerations you mentioned. Whether the tanks are ICE or EV, they’ll need a lot of juice. However, no energy stocks are being talked about, and there is lots of uncertainty in nuclear and renewables. Oil & gas stocks are good for old guys to park money in, but they don’t really move like growth does.

Winter-Fun-6193

As someone that works in immigration services and has a friend at ICE in el paso, border crossings have dropped significantly. Biden's executive order changed it. 

fireballx777

The logic makes sense -- ICE cars exist today and are widely used. Switching to electric cars is "green" not because using electricity is automatically green, but because *switching* from burning fossil fuels to using electricity is green*er* (acknowledging that much of the world's electric generation still comes from burning fossil fuels -- there's still efficiency by doing it at power plants rather than in individual ICEs). I don't agree with the end premise that Bitcoin should be avoided/banned, but one can logically hold both beliefs that switching to electric cars is beneficial and *also* that we should reduce overall electricity consumption.

AvatarOfMomus

And I'm telling you that criminals don't move large sums of money, think like millions of more of dollars, via cash. They especially don't move large sums of cash internationally. At that point Cash is too clunky, it is literally too heavy, and getting that much cash together in one place is in and of itself traceable because no legitimate entity outside of governments and a *tiny* number of banks in the *world* moves money like that. >But for transfers outside borders also, you just need to pass border security(no need for fake companies, fake id, etc like you mentioned). Like, you're acting like this is super easy, but it's just *not*. As previously noted, if you want to move a billion dollars in cash then you're looking at an 18 wheeler or shipping container full of stacks of bills. Stacks of cash, due to the metalic inks, show up *very well* and *very distinctly* on xray and other forms of imaging, so border security doesn't even need to look inside the container to go "oh, that's full of cash, that's suspicious as hell". Yeah, they won't lose everything they try and ship like that, but they'll lose enough that it'll impose a serious cost, above and beyond the few percent that transferring the money via Tether or Bitcoin or similar. > U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement: > Every year, hundreds of people try to smuggle more than $10,000 across U.S. borders in order to avoid reporting requirements. In fiscal year 2013 alone, ICE HSI special agents arrested over 520 individuals who were attempting to smuggle currency and seized more than $59 million in bulk currency or monetary instruments. Yes, it happens, but if you do the math that's about 100k per person in 2013. Also that page is *old*, as evidenced by the 2013 statistic. In otherwords it predates the advent of CC exchanges and the more widespread adoption of crypto, which is what's made it viable for large value international transfers. Also 59 million is not actually that much in the grand scheme of international money laundering. That one crooked CC exchange I linked to earlier processed over a billion in illicit funds. Lastly, what they're talking about is land border cash smuggling in mostly smaller amounts. This only works because the US has a number of land borders, and the cartels in Mexico effectively control their half of the border. It's also because they're mostly taking payment in cash for the drugs they sell, and putting that cash into the banking system in the US itself isn't viable, as it would set off alarm bells with authorities. Basically this is a specific circumstance where cash smuggling is *more* viable, but it's still not how the majority of the money moves. It's the exception that proves the rule here. You're cherry picking your facts and arguments here, and ignoring all the evidence to the contrary. The one thing we agree on here is that CC is going to be more regulated, but the whole reason it's going to be more regulated is *because it's being used for money laundering*. 🤣🤣🤣

thenamelessone7

Musk is the CEO (unlike Jesse Powell) and TESLA cars have many objectively identifiable issues other than the fact who is the CEO. I know I would not buy one because of QC issues or the fact there is no dashboard behind the steering wheel. Musk being a weirdo would be a secondary decision making factor. Not to omit the fact that EVs are still expensive relative to ICE cars and a large portion of the population cannot afford them. The early adopters have already bought and the total addressable market seems to be getting saturated for the time being.

Mental-Guard-9806

Ground source heat pumps or any ICE boilers..

GiverTakerMaker

I think the reasoning should be different... You guys want to use ICE cars on public roads ok = fuel tax (BS but that is the typical logic) You want a fair stock market with a regulatory body... ok cap gains taxes... (Again BS but the logic is there) What does the government do for us with respect to Bitcoin... answer nothing... so why are they entitled to tax it.... The arguments for taxing are so tenuous and so stupid to the point of reducto absurdism.. Gold to see so many folks feel the same as me... they have no sound basis whatsoever it's all just one big fiat scam and we are getting screwed.

Worriedstudent007

Back in the day I watched the entire MIT crypto course taught by none other than Gary Gensler himself. The entire course is available online. One single lesson is missing from the web. That course had a guest speaker from ICE (Intercontinental Exchange). They own and operate the NYSE and I’d guess they could possibly be up to something in the way of a tokenized exchange. Pure speculation on my part, I didn’t dig into it at all, but found it super curious that the lesson was redacted from the rest of the publicly available archive.

7101334

**People Killed by US Police** (Source: statista.com) * Joe Biden (2021 - 2023): 3,308 * Donald Trump (2017 - 2019) 2,963 **COVID-19 Deaths** (Source: cdc.gov) * Joe Biden (2021): 463,267 * Donald Trump (2020): 385,676 **Oil Drilling Permits Granted on Federal Lands** (Source: blm.gov) * Joe Biden (2021-2023): 10,136 * Donald Trump (2017 - 2019) 9,298 **People in Custody of ICE & Border Patrol** * Joe Biden (2023): 36,845 * Donald Trump (2019) 50,922 ----------- By which objective metric is Biden meaningfully a "lesser evil" in your mind?

Unhappy_Original_236

ICE has got my vote

Tizaj

Yup! ICE is more interesting they own the NYSE

Tizaj

They do. They’ve had a lot of restructuring and stock price has been decimated. Earnings next week. Hoping this is the turn around. They have played the compliance game from day 1 and ICE is their largest shareholder. Blackrock also has a piece.

ResponsibilitySea327

Lololol. You don't know what they hell I do, do you? You have ZERO idea what running a large power grid is like until you step in my shoes. The plant I support is guaranteed to be several times larger than all the other plants you've been party to. I'll bet the proverbial farm on that one. You don't have the education or clearances to even step in those shoes. But your comment is more related to the price of tea than bitcoin. Of course any economic output requites power. And any power generation has a environmental cost. The point is that ESG is just a political leverage point and doesn't make something "green". It is all based in one's reference. A wond farm is arguably better than coal and an EV may be better than an ICE car in some references, but it doesn't mean that building an EV is environmentally friendly. SEER 16 is better than SEER 14, but you won't save the planet running a SEER 16 AC unit 24/7. You can consume your way to environmentally friendly, you can only mitigate future power growth rates. Take ESG politics and shove it.

Steve_at_Reddit

Henry Ford was an arrogant ass. Plus he never actually asked people. Hence the "If" part of his quote. But he knew how to make cheap ICE cars. I'll give him that.

4569

i could mention something about ICP what i thought you meant at first, dont know dick about ICE sorry

kingoftask

What do you guys think about buying $ICE?

shadowdax

> because losses are covered by insurances. There are no insurances at all, the best you can do if Eurex is down and you're caught long 200 bund is to try to hedge on a broadly correlated instrument. Maybe sell 10-yr Gilt on ICE or ZN on Globex. ​ >Cardano Come on, Cardano was completely unusable for over a week post SundaeSwap launch. The mempool queued up to infinity. There still is no DeFi to speak of on Cardano because it is too slow to handle it. Ethereum regularly leaves users unable to trade because the cost of doing so is prohibitive. If you're Joe Retail and you have a $3k position on and it costs $300 to close it, you're giving up 10%!. Bitcoin sometimes has 5 hour gaps in block production. But then no one is using it for defi in the first place. You're like someone mocking SpaceX when they blow up a rocket by pointing out that your trusty bicycle never explodes.

SomeAreLonger

EV's were once laughed at, confession I did, but now their build time and costs are shrinking compared to ICE. Space mining will sound just as laughable, but will happen and once it does the value of gold will fall, since gold is near limitless in space. [https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/space-mining-1.7012869](https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/space-mining-1.7012869)

VirtualSlip2368

ROTFLMAO! I got my ledger seized by ICE going through the US. I just moved my BTCs to a Trezor when they released me :) Didn't need the Ledger! I'm still laughing :)

k_gavivina

Sleepy Joe might issue an arrest warrant for Saylor for making the Dollar melting ICE cube hahahahaha

Initialised

EV is to ICE what Bitcoin is to Fiat and what LED is to Candles

Lexsteel11

I agree- I love my car but the pledges to replace all ICE cars by XXXX date is dumb

Shibenaut

EVs are just slightly different though. ICE and EV cars are both depreciating assets. Eventually EVs will be as cheap as ICE cars

MankindIsOnTheBrink

Depends on what token or coin someone is holding. If you have $500 of a token at $0.0000000001 it’s not gonna be worth the on ramp/off ramp repeatedly ; to say nothing of the time that takes up. Sure, I bought $25 of FEG Token because I got in on a big dip (0.0002 & it’s now $0.001 so I’m happy with the profits. However in such infinitesimal numbers, it’s not worth the attempts to SBF your own wallet. Due to the fact that crypto has zero real world value, nor anything tangible to make it a true store of value & inflation hedge and ones investment can be gone by backspacing any given 0 or 1, I just through a little money in and let it sit. If I lost $250, then “oops” & move on. Rea world uses for crypto are species at best and are not much different that electric vehicles. EV’s are so far away from being able provide range & refill/recharge times equivalent to ICE - and now have been proven to put MORE carbons into the air than a comparable ICE which just proves that EVs are a quasi- eco-friendly vehicle, they are useless for the needs of the majority of humankind’s vehicular needs and has so many obstacles to full adoption that I would expect a severe dip in EV sales for the next 5-7 years, manufacturers will fold, ICE will reign supreme again and then 15 years from now someone with try again. That’s a lot like the entirety of crypto…it’s going to be gone from the earth or nearly gone in the not to distant future when everyone wakes up to the fact that it’s not even “funny money” & is even more useless than Monopoly money. I through some money in because “hey, maybe I hit lightening in a bottle by a weird chance and I can retire at 40 years of but my expectation is that I’ll never see my money back. If you lose your account info (seed phrase), or your wallet is hacked & wiped, it’s over, it’s gone, you’re never getting it back. With a real bank or credit Union, if you lose a card or someone steals your money, the real world financial infrastructure has the ability to make you whole again in many ways. I just hope my fellow millennials realize this. I’d say the same for Gen-Z but that generation is so clueless to everything in life that someone could piss on the face & tell them it’s raining and Gen-z would buy it..”no cap” 🤨🙄

kingoftask

Is ICE a good buy?

k_gavivina

Melting ICE fiat.

DontDieSenpai

I have been digging into the concerns related to scalability and looking into how the Lightning Network operates. It's brought up even more concerns, and deeper down the rabbit hole I go. While I do have significant concerns with bitcoin, I do still believe in it. This sub is the perfect embodiment of "noise", but it's nice to finally get a signal once in awhile. Thanks! I appreciate your forewarning, I have an old Ledger ICE with an itty bitty stack on it. My cold storage is in a safe place, and I have a titanium seed plate safely tucked away as well. Thanks again, Take care!

CompleteEgg5296

Despite this person's verbal diarrhea, the fact is that it's already been determined that even if you drive an EV and charge it with coal powered electricity, it will still be cleaner than an ICE vehicle over its lifetime. These are facts, and this guy can safely be ignored.

PopFirm5291

I got ICE Cube.

Frogolocalypse

I'm providing a juxtaposition about the effort involved in feeding your EV vs an ICE car.

Frogolocalypse

> if you really want to be economical with our energy use then you'd buy pre-owned anything over new anything Damn straight. The expansion of this phenomenon of this with second and third owned EVs is going to be the final nail in the coffin for ICE cars. About 10 years and you'll have to be asking whether you'll ever be able to even sell a second or third hand ICE car. An EV on the other hand. The battery alone becomes a valuable resource.

phaattiee

That's literally not what I'm claiming at all. EV's are clearly the future... but if you really want to be economical with our energy use then you'd buy pre-owned anything over new anything until all the pre owned has been used is the most energy efficient option regardless of EV or ICE. The way people miss the point is astounding.

phaattiee

Did you even bother to check the article.... 100% an advocate for EV's in the future. In the short term we should be using up the supply of perfectly working ICE vehicles we have before making the jump. Not to mention the financial incentive for most people to do so. I think you're blinded by bias since you're being condescending, I'm a STEM student and extremely good at maths thank you...

phaattiee

It literally says it right there... higher initial cost/more energy intensive to produce but is then offset over time, which means you'd have to drive your electric vehicle for a large number of miles before it claws back its production cost... combine this with a cars representing a social status symbol from a western cultural perspective, maybe not yourself but most people wont drive their EV's long enough for the planet to reap the rewards before they buy the next shiny vehicle... At current present... The most sustainable option is to purchase pre owned petrol/diesel (Diesel in particular) vehicles as their production costs from an energy standpoint have already been paid whereas making the switch would require you to drive your EV until it literally dies to offset the deficit which was the point I was making. Trying to social engineer a shift towards used vehicles in the short-term would definitely reap greater rewards whilst we iron out the kinks in the EV shift for another decade or so... Never said they aren't the future, but at present they're not the MOST sustainable option... Not to mention the moral implications of Cobalt mining for batteries etc... Before you jump down my throat, I'm fully aware there are strides being made in alternate tech there as well but its still not being manufactured at the larger scale yet. We should 100% be tailoring back ICE vehicles... I don't dispute any of what you said... I just think you missed what I was grasping at... here's an article you might be interested in... https://earth.org/environmental-impact-of-battery-production/#:\~:text=The%20additional%20environmental%20cost%20of,only'%20account%20for%2026%25.

CompleteEgg5296

Here's some more info The question of whether internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles or electric vehicles (EVs) have a bigger carbon footprint, even when the EVs are powered by the dirtiest possible electricity, is quite nuanced and depends on various factors including the source of electricity, the manufacturing process of the vehicles, and their lifetime usage. When considering the carbon footprint over the entire lifecycle of the vehicle (which includes manufacturing, operation, and end-of-life disposal), ICE vehicles typically emit more CO2 than EVs, even when the EVs are charged with electricity generated from the dirtiest sources, such as coal. The reason is that ICE vehicles are less efficient in converting energy into motion, with a significant portion of the energy lost to heat. Over the lifespan of the vehicle, this inefficiency results in higher overall emissions. The manufacturing of EVs, particularly the production of lithium-ion batteries, is more energy-intensive and carbon-intensive than the manufacturing of ICE vehicles. This means that EVs start with a higher carbon footprint. However, this initial deficit is usually offset over time by the lower operational emissions, as electricity—even from coal—is generally used more efficiently by EVs than gasoline or diesel is used by ICE vehicles. Studies, including those from the International Council on Clean Transportation (ICCT) and the Union of Concerned Scientists, have shown that EVs tend to have lower lifetime greenhouse gas emissions than comparable ICE vehicles across a wide range of electricity grid carbon intensities. Even in regions where coal dominates the energy mix, the efficiency of electric vehicles in converting electricity into transportation still tends to make them less carbon-intensive over their life compared to ICE vehicles. It's important to note that the gap in carbon footprint between EVs and ICE vehicles is expected to widen in favor of EVs as the electricity grid becomes cleaner with more renewable energy sources like wind and solar power. As the grid decarbonizes, the operational emissions of EVs decrease, whereas the operational emissions of ICE vehicles remain largely unchanged since they are tied to the carbon intensity of the fuel they burn. In summary, while the exact difference in carbon footprint depends on specific circumstances, EVs generally have a lower total carbon footprint than ICE vehicles over their lifetime, even when charged with electricity from the dirtiest sources. This advantage is poised to grow as efforts to decarbonize electricity generation progress worldwide.

CompleteEgg5296

You're sorely misinformed about the carbon footprint of ICE vehicles vs EVs. Like just completely wrong. It's not hard to look up. I don't know what you mean by deteriorating twice as fast. My EV is the best, most reliable, least needy vehicle I've ever had. I'm at 170,000 km and all I've had to do is: Replace tires, go in for minor recalls, change cabin air filter myself. One repair in the wheel well due to bad luck damage is the only time I've ever had to pay a mechanic. Maybe you should run the numbers? If you can afford them, and don't live in an extreme climate, they're a no brainer from a sustainability and reliability standpoint, and even a cost standpoint in the long run. In a handful of years, they'll even be suited for extreme climates.

Rebellion_Protocol

Oh, ICE token? That's kinda cool, ain't it? Free mobile mining and exchanges hosting it, pretty much a jackpot dude. Considerin' ya interest, this sub might fancy you: https://www.reddit.com/r/DailyLedger/

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; OKX, a crypto exchange, is facing allegations of restrictive trading practices after listing the ICE coin. Ice, the organization behind ICE coin, claims that OKX imposed unfair and inconsistent restrictions on users trying to access and trade the coin, with some users in the same region experiencing different levels of access. OKX has responded by stating that they adhere to local regulations and customer protection, suggesting that these issues may be related to their policy. The controversy challenges OKX's commitment to transparency and security as it expands globally. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

Johnuvie

Saw this. Honestly, it just reminded me how wild the crypto market is. Their coin did a significant dip just by the statement from ICE official account

SomeFlyGuy

was on mexc, saw they listed ICE bought a small bag on a whim and im actually up pretty decently

tbombs23

I have high hopes for SWEAT because it's a decent project and backed by movement. Also just got involved with ICE mining ⛏️ and it seems like a promising project with transparency. If anyone would like more information and how to get involved for a lot of potential upside lmk! #snowmen

tbombs23

I really believe in BTC, Ada, Xrp, and the newest project ICE coin. Ice is run by users who can mine without using resources and you can increase your mining rate by prestaking and referrals. It's an awesome project and if you want to learn more let me know!

sfink06

<It's very similar to when Elon Musk promotes electric vehicles you applaud. Going Biden promotes EVs you say it's not possible. He's lying. I don't have the means for it. Yada yada yada This one is off base. Elon has his own issues, but Tesla attempts to build and market EVs and out compete other car makers. Politicians like Biden on the other hand want to want to mandate ICE cars out of existence by fiat. So when the consumer applauds Tesla for bringing a product to market they like, it makes sense to boo political clowns at the same time.

BitcoinBeatsTyranny

He quit safe cushy job at ICE(owner of NYSE) in order to make wildly Bullish conviction bet on bitcoin.

dogheads2

Well fuck , I’m genuinely confused here on what to do? The (ICE)inverse Cramer effect has a consistent pattern of accuracy and clearly the opposite of his last statements are not preferred. Do I hold and hope this is the one time he’s right or go with what’s consistently happened in the past and sell sell sell?

uselessadjective

I think what you described is something CBs are aware of. They know BTC is competing with their own product. **Or a better example could be I own an ICE car and I know EVs are maybe better but I dont want to change so I still use my gas guzzler but I still do my research on EVs by talking to friends, reading articles. Finally as asoption increases I sell my ICE car and get an EV and then start the narrative that since everyone was taking EV I also went with EV as my new car because chargers/support is better and world has changed in 6-7 yrs** This is exactly CBs will do. It will take time but it will happen.

xeneks

Risks: if the economy has no sophistication and no awareness of environmental problems and the economic value of environmental protection isn’t realised then the current exploitation model of natural resources simply shifts to a less manageable exchange platform. My thought: the easiest thing to do is for a tax agency accept direct payment in tokens or crypto, potentially funding their associated agencies, or at least confirming supporting intent, enabling them to utilise that intention or the funds themselves to improve public services and aid the community with transitioning housing and industry to a less polluting and less damaging state than where it is now. Heroes: those who pay tax and don’t seek to minimise it particularly but instead try to guide and direct how it’s spent, focusing on human survival and especially, flora and fauna survival given the fragile and endangered nature of the natural world, the non-human flora and fauna. Villains (probably inadvertently): those who earn and then spend the funds on resource exploitation (spending that is hidden behind current sticker pricing that doesn’t include hidden costs such as water pollution and soil degradation and air pollution or land conversion from healthy untouched ecosystem to human exclusive purposes that is then damaged by herbicides, pesticides, monocultures, damaged microbiological conditions) without any capacity to apply an equal or greater measure of resource conservation or rehabilitation. Personal challenge: if a single btc transaction has a carbon footprint equal to the manufacturing of a car or a few cars, (perhaps >500 KG of solid compressed carbon in pure form, vastly more in distributed gas) how can I offset or recover from that? Eg. I paid a $1.50 parking ticket using BTC accidentally, now I have a hidden 500KG carbon pollution problem, how do I overcome that, given my ability to use the parking ticket didn’t realise any equivalent offset at the time? Do I simply walk around the place planting trees or preventing ICE motors from starting or something? Personal challenge: how can the government pay me in my choice of crypto token directly for the small social support service available for jobseekers or the unemployed or for students, so I don’t have to convert payments to a crypto token incurring a loss, when the agencies involved (human services) have no organisational or intellectual capacity to at this time? Do I form a group of concerned individuals that indicate how limited the government capacity is to enable change, and how environment management failed for the decades and centuries prior when national currencies were all that were available? https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3339/news

smurfguy

They are a subsidiary of ICE I believe. They are big boy finance startup basically.

BitcoinBeatsTyranny

I worked at ICE in 2019. Intercontinental Exchange(ICE)- the company that owns the NYSE. I was telling my new boss (MIT grad) about the halving approaching and how it was a good chance that the bitcoin price would take off similar to 2017 bull market. He had never heard of halving, after I explained it he said ,"but market probably already knows that right?" to his credit he quickly said, .."but I guess I didn't so maybe you have something". Most people have no idea.

seeyouwhenthesunsets

Nah I might get a Jaguar XF, my absolute dreamcar. Gotta hurry up tho, since they'll be outlawed aswell... freaking governments really think they'll save the planet by outlawing ICE cars and pumping markets of raw materials being mined under slavery conditions... but thats a whole different story.

iwishiremember

Will you get a Golf GTI? ICE cars may be outlawed in a decade here in EU.

seayourcashflyaway

Popsicle.finance (ICE)

carsonthecarsinogen

It’s a legacy auto company. If they continue to make their money from vehicle sales they will do nothing but shrink. Just like they’ve all done since 2017 when ICE sales peaked. Unless they move towards another large revenue stream like batterys, energy storage, robo taxi services, etc they won’t grow in a meaningful way. Every EV sale is one less ICE sale and unless they are stealing market share (non really are) they’ll be stealing their own customers so no growth. Merc is a better pic because they have the opportunity to move into mass market sales. It would hurt the brand image and they probably never would but if they made a 25k dollar vehicle they could see growth. *The odds of them shrinking is much higher than the odds of them growing.* **BTC is the opposite**

InevitableBudget510

BlackRock and other fund companies aren’t the only stalwarts of finance muscling into cryptocurrency. Traditional exchanges see opportunities in digital assets and are taking steps to push in. The London Stock Exchange Group (LSEG.U.K.) is “exploring plans” to build an end-to-end digital market for raising and transferring capital more efficiently, according to a spokesperson. The exchange’s head of capital markets, in an interview with the Financial Times this week, said the group had been examining the potential for a blockchain-powered trading venue for about a year and reached an “inflection point” to go ahead. The LSE isn’t alone. Intercontinental Exchange (ICE), operator of the New York Stock Exchange, in 2021 spun off its Bakkt (BKKT) subsidiary, a platform to manage digital assets in which ICE remains the largest shareholder. Bakkt has touched on tokenization—partnering with Mastercard (MA) to offer tokenized rewards and loyalty points—but has a primary focus on crypto custody solutions. In April, the group acquired Apex, a crypto exchange. “Jeff has always taken the stance that there’s opportunity in crypto but they didn’t want to put the ICE name on anything crypto specific yet,” says Patrick Moley, an analyst at Piper Sandler, referring to ICE’s CEO Jeffrey Sprecher. “It’s something I think he pays very close attention to.” A hesitation to directly connect ICE with crypto underscores the difficulty for the industry. Crypto faces steep regulatory hurdles in the U.S., and even if companies see revenue in blockchain technology and tokenization, they may be wary of crypto’s dodgy reputation. These exchanges are waiting for more regulatory clarity,” says Moley. Still, exchanges are angling in. Nasdaq (NDAQ), for instance, aims to list a Bitcoin exchange-traded fund sponsored by BlackRock, assuming regulators sign off. Nasdaq has also flirted with plans to custody crypto and is expanding into digital assets through trading technology and infrastructure, providing the matching engine to crypto exchange Bitstamp, for instance. Within Nasdaq, crypto is viewed as a growth area, according to a person familiar with the matter. While ETFs get a lot of attention, a bigger opportunity may be in providing trading technology and services to more than 130 companies and entities that already do business with Nasdaq globally, the person said. While the U.S. may not be crypto friendly, other countries are opening doors. In late June, for instance, Nasdaq clinched a deal with Chile’s Central Securities Depository to support the registration, transfer, and settlement of digital assets. The prospect of hosting a spot Bitcoin ETF remains a major opportunity. Cboe Global Markets (CBOE), a Chicago trading giant, has the most pending applications—six—to host such a fund. Should the Securities and Exchange Commission green light these ETFs, exchanges will reap listing fees alongside revenues from selling market data. And the funds could help lay the groundwork for future derivatives products, says Moley. Data is a key part of Cboe’s digital asset strategy, a spokesperson said, but so is crypto trading. The group in 2022 acquired a crypto spot market, a regulated futures exchange and clearinghouse—rebranding it all as Cboe Digital. That entity was cleared by U.S. regulators in June to offer crypto derivatives to traders with leverage, or borrowed money. One other beneficiary could be CME Group (CME). The company now offers regulated Bitcoin and Ether CME probably has the most to benefit in the immediate term from any sort of Bitcoin ETF approval,” says Moley. “It would create a need for more hedging tools like futures contracts that hedge positions for whoever owns the underlying spot Bitcoin ETF.” The golden goose is the wider tokenization of assets—putting everything from real estate records to stocks, bonds and other assets onto blockchains. BlackRock CEO Larry Fink has said the tokenization of securities could revolutionize finance. While some early examples exist—such as a bond fund with shares that can be traded on the blockchain—it is a long way from taking off. “Exchanges are technologically capable of creating the infrastructure to support the tokenization of assets and facilitate trading,” says Moley. “But until we get regulatory clarity around digital assets in general, I don’t think there will be a meaningful push to tokenize assets.”

lordsamadhi

>Last I knew they were very expensive and needed to be replaced after a few years You "knew" this? I think this was mostly anti-EV propaganda.... oil company nonsense. Tesla has been touting their "million mile battery" for a while now. I don't know if it is actually in production yet. But even the current batteries should last at least as long as an ICE engine. Last I looked at the price, a battery replacement for my Tesla was around $16,000. But that was back in 2018, I bet it's closer to 10k now. I have over 100k miles on my 5 year old Tesla, and there have been zero battery issues so far. Obviously, some people get lemons. Some guy on reddit recently said he had a battery issue around 100k miles. But the average Tesla battery should last a few hundred thousand miles. I don't mind paying 10k every 10 years for a new battery. Lots and lots and lots of misinformation out there trying to take down Tesla and EV's. Be skeptical. They're amazing cars.

lordsamadhi

So you haven't looked recently, then. My brother is car shopping right now, and he's comparing the Tesla Model Y to comparable ICE cars. The Tesla is roughly $10k more than most gas equivalents. BUT, over time, it's FAR cheaper to operate. No oil, no belts, regenerative breaks. Charging at home is about 1/4 the cost of gasoline using national averages. So, $10k more up front for a FAR superior vehicle with cheaper operating costs over time. BTW, the Model Y is gonna cost him $43k brand new. Not 65k.

Wise-Application-144

Kinda off topic, but I saw someone argue that EVs won't ever reach mass adoption because the drop in demand for ICE cars and gas will lower the price of them, which will draw customers back in. I could have pointed out that it didn't work that way with horses, they were replaced by cars in a rapid S-Curve adoption pattern, despite a glut in the amount of horses, stables and hay hitting the market as people switched to cars. From zeppelins to sailboats to VHS casettes, all experienced a glut in supply as people moved on to better tech, and lowering prices didn't save the industry. I've learned that with certain identity-politics topics (EVs, Bitcoin, energy) you're not up against a logical argument about the topic itself, you're just banging your head against someone's rigid politics.

rootpl

$ICE

IamAFlaw

I have that avatar! You have awesome taste in avatars although I disagree with your statement. Mining is like ICE engines. They are old crap on the way out.

madridgalactico

BARS as the name would have been awesome. So would ICE. Some good suggestions

iBilbo69

The only real fun thing to do was play ICE poker.

LeThaLxdARk

Also you should look into ICE POKER, powered by DECENTRAL, I'm assuming it's exactly what you'd be expecting from ZilliqaPoker xD

Gypee101

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j4c0p

if I remember that correctly, there was supposed to be CZ or Binance AMA couple months ago, but after allegations it went on ICE. So my guess they know something like reddit coins exist.

PassiveRoadRage

Coinbase has long been like this too I think. A couple years ago they sold some software that tracks transactions to ICE. They are making government friends.

WineMakerBg

They pre sold all ICE ones. You are stick with EV or a Hybrid...

Brainhol

EPA, FDA, FDIC, IRS, NASA, SEC, ATF, CIA, DEA, DHS, DOJ, FBI, ICE, FEMA, NSA, TSA. This is why Sesame Street teaches the alphabet.

-MrLizard-

Even if they produced the same CO2 overall as ICE cars (they don't), electric cars would still be an improvement to the quality of the air we breathe. ICE cars spew their fumes right in the faces of people where they live, especially in urban areas with denser populations and more traffic. Producing that energy elsewhere in a power station away from residential areas, even if it came from burning oil/gas, would be an improvement. The ideal situation being that eventually that energy can be produced cleanly.

voice-of-reason_

I’m studying climate science at uni so I’ll give you a freebie that I learnt this year: The most CO2 efficient (to produce) electric car needs to do 90,000 miles for it to be “carbon neutral”. If someone brings this up again tell them that and ask them how many miles they’ve done in their ICE vehicle, I would wager most people haven’t done that many and most people definitely wouldn’t buy a used car with over 90k miles on the clock.

voice-of-reason_

To be pedantic, you need to drive 90,000 miles in the most CO2 efficient (to produce) electric vehicle. To use crypto terms, ICE pollution is decentralised (global); electric car pollution is centralised (power stations).

fratticus_maximus

Well, electricity is fungible. 1 kwh is the same regardless of how it's used. All things equal, if you're using X amount from clean energies to mine bitcoin, then that's X amount that cannot be used to power other things that society uses. Other things will need more electricity, sometimes from coal, natural gas, etc, to generate the needed electricity. It's not as simple as "as long as we use it for this certain thing" it's okay. Also, ICE cars used gasoline which most certainly contribute more Co2 to the atmosphere even with accounting for EVs initial battery minerals sourcing. Changing from ICE to EVs most certainly is reducing CO2 output. If people are going to drive, might as well reduce CO2 output. People don't necessarily *need* Bitcoin. Most of us are here to get rich regardless of what we say. I like bitcoin but let's not echo chamber to the point of "bitcoin isn't bad for the environment. hur dur."

Dwerg1

Probably not, but few cars make it to 30 years. A number of EVs probably will make it to 30 years or more with good care and swapping the battery at least once, but this is irrelevant to the majority of consumers anyways. I did address the 9 years thing. I don't see a problem with it, the average car will last more than 9 years, which means overall the CO2 impact of EVs is less. As I also said, in my area the electricity is almost entirely renewable, 98%. The 9 year estimate by Volvo and others calculating this are assuming a more average energy mix, so in my area an EV will start being green long before 9 years. Btw, an ICE vehicle will never be green, last time I checked 9 years is less than forever...

Dwerg1

The people changing their cars every few years typically don't scrap their cars, they sell their cars. So there will be more use out of the car than what the first owner may put on it. Battery management systems in EVs are more advanced than what's typical in smaller consumer electronics, it needs to be because the batteries are expected to be able to hold a decent charge for many more years. It will lose capacity over the years, but it's not as extreme as ICE propagandists think. After 9 years it should hold plenty of charge for any practical purposes and more than enough for someone to want to continue driving the car. Besides, 98% of the power production in my area is hydroelectric. I am aware that is not the case in MANY other areas, but at least in my area driving an ICE vehicle is the real scam in all aspects.

Beyonderr

You are doing it wrong: r/cryptocurrency is all about outrage and over reactions. OMG CRYPTO ICE AGE IS HERE!!!11

thinkingperson

Out of the DAM Subcommittee Member appointments, there are three from crypto space: 1. Crypto.com 2. Polygon Labs 3. Uniswap Labs Any other I missed? **Digital Asset Markets Subcommittee (DAMS) Member appointments:** |DAMS Member|Firm|Title| |:-|:-|:-| |Tuongvy Le|Bain Capital Crypto|Partner and Head of Regulatory & Policy| |Matt DeCicco|BlackRock|Director, Global Head of Commodities| |Caroline Butler|BNY Mellon|Global Head of Digital Assets| |Catherine Clay|Cboe Global Markets|Executive Vice President, Global Digital and Data Solutions| |Perianne Boring|Chamber of Digital Commerce|CEO| |Giovanni Vicosio|CME Group|Global Head of Cryptocurrency| |Christopher R. Perkins|CoinFund|President| |**Steve Humenik**|**Crypto.com**|**Senior Vice President, Global Head of Derivatives and Head of Legal for the Middle East & Africa**| |Sheila Warren|Crypto Council for Innovation|CEO| |Yuval Rooz|Digital Asset|Co-Founder and CEO| |Chris Zuehlke|DRW|Partner and Global Head, Cumberland| |Jennifer Peve|DTCC|Managing Director, Global Head of Strategy & Innovation| |Matt Haraburda|FIA Principal Traders Group|President, XR Trading| |Tom Jessop|Fidelity Digital Assets|President| |Sandy Kaul|Franklin Templeton|Senior Vice President, Head of Digital and Industry Advisory Services| |Jason Urban|Galaxy Digital|Global Head of Trading| |Allison Parent|GFMA|Executive Director| |Sandra Ro|Global Blockchain Business Council|CEO| |Lee Brenner|Goldman Sachs|Head of Public Policy, Digital Assets| |John O'Neill|HSBC|Global Head of Digital Assets Strategy| |Jennifer Ilkiw|ICE|President, ICE Futures U.S.| |Scott Lucas|JPMorgan Chase & Co.|Managing Director, Head of Markets DLT| |Nicole Valentine|Milken Institute|Director of the Milken Institute’s Fintech Program| |Fabian Astic|Moody’s Corporation|Managing Director, Global Head of Decentralized Finance & Digital Assets| |Tony Sio|Nasdaq|Vice President, Head of Regulatory Strategy and Innovation| |Lauren Brinati|NFA|Chief Strategy and Risk Officer| |**Rebecca Rettig**|**Polygon Labs**|**Head of Policy**| |Nadine Chakar|Securrency, Inc.|CEO| |Thomas Sullivan|Societe Generale|Managing Director, Head of Market Access & Product Development for Digital Assets| |Kathy Kraninger|Solidus Labs|Vice President, Regulatory Affairs| |René Michau|Standard Chartered|Global Head, Digital Assets| |Adam Minehardt|Stellar Development Foundation|Head of U.S. Government Relations| |Anton Katz|Talos|CEO| |Chris Bruner|Tradeweb|Chief Product Officer| |**Marvin Ammori**|**Uniswap Labs**|**Chief Legal Officer**|