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314stache_nathy

I didn't say that, free market solves that with people making voluntary exchanges, and charity will always exist too, and by the way your taxes are funded to ICE.

PsychologicalBit803

More ICE agents to remove more criminals. There you go.

PsychologicalBit803

I’m by far not claiming to be an expert at all. My point is just you can listen to any conservative host in media and get one version and a liberal and get the complete opposite. It keeps tax policy in place that if it had not been done would have resulted in very high taxes for everyone. That wasn’t going to happen. I don’t believe at all that very rich are getting a break while everyone else is paying more. That’s not at all what I had explained to me on various shows. Not unless something changed very late in the process. ICE does get much more very needed funding. Anyone that makes the statement “round up anyone that doesn’t look white” isn’t someone I’m listening to. There is tons of really bad information about ICE. The last administration allowed in millions of people and now it has to be dealt with. That’s just facts. The belief people are being “kidnapped” or just grabbed off the streets is ridiculous. So ICE gets much needed funding to get more officers and locations to hold people being deported. Every single bit of that is exactly what was promised by Trump and the people that voted for him wanted when it comes to border security. The cuts to Medicaid I know involve mostly getting people that shouldn’t be on it to start with off the system. Way too many people scamming the system and it will be tougher now. It’s 100% NOT to take services away from people that need them. Again, watch two sources get two answers. Like I admitted I’m definitely no expert on this stuff and I don’t think anyone here is. We all have our opinion based on political views. That’s all fine just hope this sub doesn’t turn into a big political cesspool like so many others on Reddit. Need to remember what brought most, if not all of us here and that’s the belief in Bitcoin!

Novice89

It is 100% the result. Lower taxes for millionaires, higher taxes for everyone else. Cuts to Medicare and Medicaid which is used by the poor and elderly. Raised the national debt by more than any bill before, and debt is increasing because despite the 600-800 billion in cuts to Medicare/medicaid because the tax breaks for the rich are THAT outrageous. Also increases funding for ICE to insane levels, giving them a bigger budget than several other agencies combined, and more than the Marines if I’m not mistaken. To sum up the bill, give money to the rich, gut social services/healthcare for the poor, and round up anyone who doesn’t look white. Personally, it’ll be great for me because I have a lot of crypto. Expect a run in the next month or two which will signal the end of this bull run. I’ll make a killing, but I’d rather have made a much smaller amount and not screwed over people.

MinimalGravitas

Is the white supremacy one different to the 'ICE' one or is that what you're referring to?

wienercat

I want to know how many construction projects are slowing down because of the ICE raids. I know I have seen a lot fewer people at job sites ever since they started sweeping up people at their jobs.

mebeast227

Facebook used data to sell you stuff and sway your political leanings. Both of those uses are bad. But having people’s AI searches and physical integrations is going to have both of those problems + WAY more I have asked it medicals questions My boss uses it to make financial spreadsheets, helps him with invoices, and even miniscule things like updating work schedules I’ve used it to (try) to create websites and phone apps People have it reading their emails I have a buddy who treats it like a therapist Then there is going to be AI GPS home appliances Fitness watch integration that monitors your blood pressure and steps travel manager (flights and hotels) Social event planning “How to” assistance Job resumes Then you get into deepfake porn generation It will help plan weddings, decide outfits, where you eat, how to allocate your time, and whatever else people can think of The level of intrusiveness AI will achieve is going to blow old school data collection out of the water and it’s not even close. A lot of that data was collected before, but it was fragmented between A LOT of different parties. This is going to get eaten up by whichever AI platform becomes the “operating system” for AI agents and then that data is going to be abused by the collector, sold off to marketers and advertisers, then provided to the govt, then funneled into Palantir. I do wonder if crypto will manage to pull off some sort of side market for AI use and finances because it’s going to be extremely necessary pretty soon (especially with all the shit happening the masked “ICE” agents and trump abducting people and shipping them off with no due process)

typoerrpr

interesting, bakkt is partly owned by ICE which also owns a bunch of exchanges including the NYSE. this might be the first TradFi-linked company to “do the saylor”

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; A blockchain game called 'ICE Agent,' which celebrates immigration raids, was developed by Polish citizen Jakub Rutkowski for an unidentified client, likely American. Players mint NFTs to act as ICE agents and use cryptocurrency to detain 'illegals' in virtual detention centers. The game has sparked controversy for its provocative content and marketing tactics, including a plane banner promoting 'America first' ideals. Rutkowski admitted the game was designed to attract attention and generate profit, despite moral concerns from collaborators. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

SithC

BRACE FOR MAJOR CRYPTO PRICE EARTHQUAKE! INCOMMING CRYPTO ICE AGE IS IMMINENT!! Am I mission any other Forbes crypto headlines?

CryptoAnarchyst

You can always tell an idiot, just can’t tell them much… Interesting fact, protests turned contentious when masked, unidentified, armed, warrantless, and hostile individuals claiming to be ICE started illegally detaining over a 1,000 US citizens… not sure if you give a Fuck about 4th , 5th, and 9th amendments but I sure do and apparently so do citizens of LA. Funny how you abdicated your morals as soon as you joined the cult… a decade ago a thought of military action in US cities would have thrown any Republican into panic… now you give Daddy Trump all the things you swore you’d resist. What a pathetic excuse for a human existence

CryptoAnarchyst

The amount of ignorance is staggering... yes, they fucking file taxes... taxes and benefits that they will never be eligible to receive. Over a $100billion in annual taxes received by the federal government that they never have to account for... there is a reason why no administration has ever dealt with this issue... and let's not talk about the labor shortage that is impacting the farming, construction, and restaurant industries... Farmers had to till over ripe tomatoes in Florida because they had no one to pick them, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas, are all experiencing empty construction sites due to ICE raids. Affordable housing is never happening, there was a long shot it would but after this there isn't. And if you knew anything about farming cycles you'd know that we have 6 month cycles between planting and harvest seasons. In Washington State, largest producer of tree fruits in the US, Apples, Pears, Cherries, and many other fruits will not be harvested in full... shortage will happen. This is not some fear mongering, this is the fact coming from the farmers themselves. Grape harvests across Washington, Oregon, and California vinyards is expected to be half of what it was previous years. Wheat, corn, root vegetables, potatoes, etc. are mostly automated, but most other harvests are not, and even if they are automated, you have to have people to process them which we have shortage of. And because of the tariff bullshit, our neighbors and trade partners are not inclined to help. This is not fear mongering, these are economic facts, undisputed and anchored in reality. You can read this from Banque Suisse, BoA, Fidelity, Black Rock, BNP Paribas, and many others. And don't even get me started on the price of oil, where Israel and US bombed one of the largest refineries in Iran... oooofff buddy, you're in for a surprise on that one.

PrivateWest

We just tell things now a days in order to avoid things... # I LIKE ICE CREAM

adequate_redditor

It’s the same with all new tech. People were (and still do) spread FUD about electric cars, about AI, self driving cars, etc. In a few decades driving an ICE car manually will be unimaginable for people, just like going to the grocery store on a horse carriage is to us now. I bet people were FUDing those dangerous mechanical machines at that time too …

CommunityCurrencyBot

/u/ICE-FlGHT, your wallet address has been successfully updated to 0xdb45859C25c08a38f2cC04c17a04F76C0FC3191f across all your records.

zatch17

Why tf can't we get the addresses of those who work for ICE though

CompleteSolution1194

Bro a thing about crypto is the price doesn't go up or down in a straight line, It goes up, takes a pull back then goes up and the cycle continues By deviding your purchase using dollar cost average you can easily buy when a pull back happens, or any other cases of war when the price suddenly dumps, inshort you'll have an option. But if you bought all at once, you'll be stuck no matter what, cuz you would've had invested everything at once so when the price drops you'll have nothing in backup to buy that dip, statistics is always a good option rather than going all at once, but then again: it's your choice it's your money do as you please brother (I'm just sharing my opinion and what i have learned in time as i researched about the market) Also eth is a good option if you're looking to invest, as the Alt season is about to happen you can also search some solid alt coin projects and buy them much cheaper than btc, a recent project that I've encountered with is #ICE and I'm thinking about researching it further cuz i see some potential in it (that's my pov off course) But do your own research before investing your hard earned money in anything :)

Hopeful_Main4460

the american spirit seems to be focusing on ICE at the minute. JD vance sorta put his neck on the line by claiming btc is an interesting store of value. (don't quote me) perhaps anti ICE protests will evolve into anti banking protests.. or am I giving season 1 season finale of Earth spoilers here..?

tamip20

Why did stocks shoot back up yesterday? What was the news that made people buy in? ICE Deportation?

bierli

Musk meets ICE…

Cptn_BenjaminWillard

Budget Neutral, ie. Confiscate. Especially if it can be done from the same people that ICE is targeting.

noisylettuce

Its probably relates to creating those concentration camps for ICE.

Aromatic-Fox9761

Sure — here’s the same information presented as a bulleted list for clarity: • CME Group • Launched Bitcoin futures on a regulated exchange. • Date: December 18, 2017. • Cboe Global Markets • Introduced the first U.S.-regulated Bitcoin futures. • Date: December 10, 2017. • Goldman Sachs • Announced plans to open a Bitcoin trading desk. • Date: Late 2017. • Fidelity Investments • Began internal crypto research and development through Fidelity Labs. • Date: 2017. • LedgerX • Received CFTC approval to operate a regulated crypto derivatives platform. • Date: July 2017. • Intercontinental Exchange (ICE) – Parent company of NYSE • Started developing Bakkt, a crypto platform for institutional investors. • Date: Late 2017.

96933287275978

AI summery: A happy banker treated everyone on his train to free beer—and the reason will surprise you! While traveling on an ICE train from Mannheim to Hamburg, a man in his mid-40s, who appeared to be working diligently on his laptop, suddenly called a service staff member and asked if he could buy out the entire bar for all passengers. Shortly after, an announcement was made over the loudspeaker: “Dear guests, we have an unusual announcement: From now on, there are free drinks for everyone!” The reason for his generosity? The banker had just made a huge profit from the all-time-high of Bitcoin. He told another passenger that he was having a wonderful day and, since he was raised to give back when lucky, he wanted to share his good fortune. The exact cost of his gesture is unknown, but Deutsche Bahn confirmed the extraordinary event. For privacy reasons, they did not disclose the total bill.

Busy-Chemistry7747

And they also sell Geodata to ICE. So fucked on all ends

YaBastaaa

No one at the kitchen to prepare the food. Everyone got deported or held by ICE

exitof99

I saw this and immediately wondered if they were ICE agents. It's a scary time in the US when you can't tell if you are getting carjacked, kidnapped, or arrested because they all are dressed the same and use similar tactics. Try and defend yourself will result in getting shot either way.

redline8k

Stfu, ICE doesn’t kidnap people you dolt.

MillenialMale

That ICE?

GloryGoal

People in the USA have been mobbing ICE to stop them from kidnapping people — I expect that behavior to get more common too.

worldlybedouin

Kidnappers should have outsourced the kidnapping to ICE. They've been doing a great job of disappearing folks here in the US.

Temporary_Hour8336

Sounds like what ICE are doing to students in the USA?

Sesori

So they could always help track people who scammed you on coinbase. But they refused to do so. Now ICE wants to track their customers, they said we have this tool.

comtessequamvideri

I mentioned this in another comment, but the purview of ICE's Homeland Security Investigations division [extends well beyond immigration](https://www.ice.gov/about-ice/hsi).

MetallicGray

What else would ICE want that information for?  Don’t get me wrong I know it’s only a matter of time before judges, political opponents, and US citizens are “deported” lol. 

StrangelyBeige

ICE can suck a shitty dildo

Chief_Mischief

Yes, my point is that the mother should've been allowed to stay here with her daughter with US citizenship while she was being treated, or at least have the option to consult with doctors, since her cancer was metastatic. History is not going to be on ICE's side, not so much because of their arresting/deporting undocumented migrants but the indiscriminate methods used to achieve this (e.g. racial profiling, no due process, no verification of immigration status, etc). Not to mention the constantly mentioned point that if the country legitimately gave a shit about "illegal immigrants" taking our jobs, we would go after the employers who repeatedly exploit these people.

Chief_Mischief

A 4-year-old US citizen with cancer was deported to Honduras *without medication* just two weeks ago. ICE does not bother checking the legality of its actions, let alone the morality of them. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g8yj2n33yo

comtessequamvideri

This isn't to argue with your opinion, just to point out something I think most people aren't aware of: despite their name, ICE's purview isn't just immigrants; [Homeland Security Investigations](https://www.ice.gov/about-ice/hsi/investigate), a division of ICE, also investigates and surveils U.S. citizens. You could certainly say the same thing about that ("As long as you're not doing anything criminal, there's nothing to worry about"), of course, but it seems worth mentioning.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Coinbase's analytics program, Coinbase Tracer, is reportedly providing the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) with data on crypto users, including historical geolocation and transaction history, as part of a $1.37 million contract. Coinbase denies sharing customer data, stating the information comes from publicly available sources. The deal is part of several contracts between Coinbase and U.S. government agencies, raising concerns due to Coinbase Tracer's controversial origins linked to a spyware-selling firm. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

comtessequamvideri

I this isn't what you're asking, but they *do* sell data to ICE: [Coinbase Is Reportedly Selling Geolocation Data to ICE](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coinbase-reportedly-selling-geo-location-235816513.html) "Crypto exchange Coinbase's (COIN) analytics program, Coinbase Tracer, will provide the U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agency (ICE) with data about crypto users, including “historical geo tracking data” and transaction history, according to a contract obtained by watchdog group Tech Inquiry."

scp-NUMBERNOTFOUND

Looks like the senator is going to get a visit from ICE, for protecting an illegal alien that totally exists and is not just made up for this yeah

Logvin

>Democrats pick the wrong hills to die on There are plenty of pro-crypto Democrats, and there are plenty of anti-crypto Republicans. Republicans tend to be more vocal about it, as they tend to be more vocal about economic topics. In AZ we have seen skyrocketing housing pricing, our homeowners insurance doubling in the last two years, and massive turmoil due to ICE immigration raids. I would love to see Bitcoin be the most controversial topic, but right now the bulk of the Democrats are focused on preventing our slide into fascism not on BTC.

gethereddout

Pretty cool though how FIFA is partnering with ICE to provide security for the games

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; The NHL has partnered with Ndax, a Canadian crypto exchange, as the Official Crypto Exchange Partner for the 2025 Stanley Cup Playoffs. This marks the NHL's first crypto platform partnership and Ndax's debut in professional sports sponsorship. Ndax will gain brand exposure through in-ice logos, digital dasherboards, and a fan campaign called 'Ndax ICE,' featuring giveaways and crypto education. The partnership aims to boost crypto adoption and Ndax's user base, targeting Gen Z and Millennials. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

Sunnyjim333

Is your gold 9K, 14K, 18K? How do you make change for a 24K ounce? When ICE comes to your door and sends you half way across the globe, how do you keep your yellow metal with you? Twelve words and Bitcoin will fix that.

StoneHammers

The value of the dollar fell by like 2% in a single week vs basket of global currencies called the ICE dollar index. Bitcoin is not going up it's the dollar going down!

letsdrinktothat

*Officials are exploring whether large conglomerates could buy Bhutan's "green" coins to meet their targets on environmental, social and governance norms.* Interesting idea, kind of like how ICE car manufacturers buy carbon credits from Tesla, Rivian etc to bring down their carbon footprint. I'm not sure if that would work with current regulations, I mean for car manufacturers, there are specific laws in various countries specifying what percentage of their output must be zero emissions, and that's what enables their carbon credit market. But there are no such laws (yet) for bitcoin miners. And for companies just holding bitcoin rather than producing it, I'm not sure it would do much for them, sure, they could make claims about how green their bitcoin holdings are, but you would have the same old arguments about how the energy could have been used for something else. One way or another though, I think mining "green" bitcoin will work out great for Bhutan.

Bubbly_Ice3836

ICE and/or EV, as long as there is a need for a more decentralized bitcoin network. a small car may not seem very appealing, but think of bitcoin mining trucks.

NoFly3972

Fun idea, but I think it's never gonna work considering how difficult it is to be profitable even on "normal" electricity rates, pair that with installation costs and range decrease, yeah not very appealing. Maybe on ICE vehicles, which actually produce energy.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; The U.S. dollar is experiencing a 'confidence crisis,' with the ICE U.S. Dollar Index dropping sharply, raising concerns about its role as the global reserve currency. Analysts suggest rapid de-dollarization and structural reassessment of the dollar's attractiveness. This decline is seen as a potential boost for bitcoin, which may act as a safe haven asset similar to gold. Market dynamics are shifting due to Federal Reserve policy adjustments and U.S. trade pressures, potentially supporting bitcoin's price growth. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

Shitzu_Death

ICE will give you a free flight and accommodation in El Salvador.

Only-Inspector-3782

Well, now that the IRS is openly complying with ICE, there's no reason to pay your taxes if you are engaged in any sort of illegal activity. What's the point of paying federal taxes when they mainly go to enriching the world's richest men?

SamuelBrault03

I don't know where that girl is but if yall want a risk-free way to get started in crypto id say Pi network is the way. 1 tap a day and you mine crypto on your phone. Now that they have paved the way there are so many projects like it coming up. I have compiled a list with my referral codes for you guys to use! Have you guys heard of Cpen Network? Still early and is set to launch in Q1 of 2026. Early predictions are talking about a starting price of $1. If you started early or late on Pi. Don't miss this chance ************** Cpen Network Referral code: samb03 Other similar projects and referral codes ⬇️⬇️⬇️ Rubi Network: NMJWISJDBJ Bee Network: samb03 BlockDAG x1 miner app: SXUa5k3e Crypto Mayors by ICE Open Network: samb03 Co-met Network: samb03 Hi Network: H0MUA4X3 Dino Network [Polygonscan]: samb03 Krypton Network: samb03 LITCHI Coin: samb03 Qubit Network: samb03 Rabit Network: samb03 Remint: VS3Z4B7X Omega Network: samb03 Unich Trade Crypto [mining]: samb03 Alfa Network: samuel03 Sato Cash: samb03 Delta.kim [Delta Coin] Referrer DID: UU9FVQ4EL20LG Pi Network: SamuelBrault **************** I might add more or remove some in the future. My mindset behind having so many is that with Pi Network breakthrough we now know sky is the limit. Most these projects are fairly new and will have to prove themselves. But in the meantime... let's mine in hope 💯🚀

LargeSnorlax

*"Trump has to say something about the trillions in value he's personally destroyed"* Actual Trump: *I AM PROUD TO ANNOUNCE ICE HAS PROUDLY PICKED UP ONE KID FROM A COLLEGE AND DEPORTED HIM!"

Paratrooper2000

The US economy is fucked! Wallstreet is getting nervous. Not a good sign! Applications for unemployment benefits unexpectedly increased. The manufacturing sector reported fewer new orders. And above all, the trade war caused unrest. Canada and China immediately imposed counter tariffs, and Mexico's President Claudia Sheinbaum said she would announce her own retaliatory measures on Sunday. The tariffs hurt the US car economy itself. Some car parts are sent back and forth between US and Mexico 10x before built into a car. Chipotle and Walmart warn of rising costs, higher prices and lower sales. Expansion plans were put on hold and new hires were postponed. The regional central bank in Atlanta has already dared to forecast that the US economy would shrink by 1.5 percent in the first three months of this year. That would be an emergency brake on the economy: last year it grew by 2.8 percent. Fear of the ICE border patrol is driving many undocumented workers into hiding. Citrus farmers in California's Central Valley, where about a quarter of the fruits and vegetables produced in the United States come from, reported that harvesters did not dare to go to work. Source: Newspaper

Numerous_Ruin_4947

**When the contract was originally approved in February 2022, it listed a value of $8 billion ‒ in an apparent clerical error**. For perspective, the entire ICE budget for fiscal year 2024 was $8.7 billion. [https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/02/19/doge-said-it-cut-8-billion-contract-8-million/79176949007/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/02/19/doge-said-it-cut-8-billion-contract-8-million/79176949007/) This clerical error was made in 2022. So you're blaming DOGE for the clerical error made during Biden's presidency? This just shows how nothing can be trusted and should be looked at with a magnifying glass!

dataCollector42069

Hard Republican/Traditional Conservative family thoughts when discussing Trump this weekend with them We knew he was sleazy but simply liked a few of his policies as we are traditional conservatives. Only thing we liked about his presidency was ICE. Everything else, we think he lost his actual mind We regret our vote. If Kamala would have taken action to secure the border SERIOUSLY and end DEI I honestly would have taken her. Trump is just slashing federal jobs without understanding those federal workers also buy stuff like everyone else and going to cause lasting impacts to the economy

Intelligent-Feed-201

A smoke test is what this entire chapter is, the hiring freezes, the ICE raids, the budget cuts; all meant to see where the smoke leaks from on the other end

lazoras

I'm starting to wonder if trump is captured or reddit is captured.... it also doesn't make sense to me if tariffs are generally bad for the American citizens...why are the countries it's targeting so fucking upset about it.... also, why is almost every sub that talks about ICE and immigration conveniently keep dropping the ILLEAGAL portion and desperately trying to make it about race?!! I thought separating people making them against each other was a regressive tactic....democrats were supposedly trying to bring people together?!!

Iam6s

ICE is chasing out the Bitcoin bears

Jolly-Garbage-

So ICE is raiding towns across America right now and the far right is hating immigrants more than ever and yet we just gave one access to the entire treasury. Makes complete sense

transatoshi_mw

ICE ICE baby

7101334

> Your graphic, and your sources, which are legit, show that the numbers are very similar, within 15% of each other. Yes, now you're getting it. The point is that there's virtually no difference between either wing of the corporate-owned Uniparty. >They confidently did not put all the data on the graphic. I wonder why? For COVID, it's because Trump didn't have to deal with COVID for the first half of his presidency so no figures were available. On Biden's end, he declared the end of the pandemic, so COVID stats aren't available for most of his presidency. Plus it's most accurate to compare the closest years of each administration when the pandemic was at its height. For ICE, it was simply that their website is incredibly hard to navigate and I couldn't find clear figures for all years. But I could find figures for the 3rd year of both administrations, so I used that. >Biden then comes into a shit storm and starts to unfuck what happened I don't think pledging "ironclad support" and "no red lines" for our imperial outpost conducting the modern-day holocaust, spending billions killing innocent people that could've been used to improve the miserable lives of his overworked subjects, then praising police who beat nonviolent students opposed to that holocaust, can be qualified as "unfucking" anything, nor can it be blamed on Trump. Though he'll be guilty of the same crimes in time. Because the problem isn't any individual, it's capitalism and colonialism and white supremacy.

foundout-side

retail-investing is traumatized right now, ICE raids all over the country have people holding their wallets, data on retail performance in january is a bloodbath, this is all verifiable right now with a google result and not speculation. Trump & team just did a 3-day hitpiece on NVDA, likely for their puts; deepseek / chips tarriffs / chip sale regulation to china shit's going further down

Vette_Guy482

Give it some time Trump is restructuring the IRS as we speak. All those 80000 agents nushbrain hired. Are either pink slipped or offered ICE positions. The irs has no fcking clue how to regulate or tax anything, not alone crypto. When I first stated 10 years ago. Lord wishes I bought bitcoin, instead of staking XRP mainly. My CPA filled as my filing as profit only. Meaning if I sent the crypto from an exchange sold it then to my bank. However I did a few times, but mostly my 50 different crypto I own go only to my wallets and cold storage or sit on the exchanges. SO I never made money technically on them. Idk I think we need clear rules. I would personally never use those crypto softwares. Hope my input

toxicavenger70

Did you read my comment? I was responding in good faith with the indictment information I found from ICE. You originally post no information.

DemonHuntman

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_IscoATX

Depreciation of cars only really matters if you want to sell or count them as part of your net worth. What that doesn’t count in is peace of mind from reliability, savings on energy consumption(compare the MPGe of a Tesla to an ICE car). Polluting your direct environment less through exhaust emissions. And just straight up owning something you want to own and enjoy and not going into debt for it. OP cashed in SOME gains for a nice car when their old car was dying, and ofc there is no guarantee that BTC will always go up even if we all think it will.

BeKindBabies

Sounds like he had an ICE car before and is inferring that was not true for him. 

Extinct1234

Legitimately, not in the same ballpark.  Complete ICE replacement is 25-50% of the cost of replacing a battery on a Tesla. And, usually, individual parts of an ICE can be repaired or replaced, rather than replacing the whole thing. https://www.hillerautomotive.com/post/how-much-does-an-engine-replacement-cost https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/tesla-battery-replacement-costs

Glittering-Local-147

Look I'm not into Tesla or an EV yet but this argument is dumb as hell. Like yeah it'd be expensive to replace the battery, but would it also not be expensive to change the entire engine on an ICE car? .

VladStopStalking

I owned a model 3 since 4 years and never had to spend a single cent in maintenance other than filling up the windshield cleaner and changing the tires once. My battery still has 95% the max capacity as it had when it was new. I spent way more in maintenance when I used to drive an ICE car

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WreckinRich

I don't know what it is but ICE has been popping up in my feed.

LiveCat6

That's just not true. For the sake of argument if you had a car that lasted 30 years and required no maintenance and used significantly less carbon over its life-cycle, by your logic that would still be "by far the most wasteful" because it's not repairable? I can't speak to the repairability of teslas as far as how easy it is to replace the battery pack - or replace the electric motors but I suspect that the frequency of how often that is needed is quite low, and my guess is that the cost and ease of doing so will only improve in time The fact of the matter is that teslas have a much lower mileage cost, and they have significantly less lifecycle carbon emissions so they're a vast improvement over ICE engines.

Ok-Grapefruit1284

But wait a minute. Strictly looking at the issue of illegal immigration, historically, democrat administrations have removed more illegal immigrants than republican administrations. If I’m not mistaken, Obama holds the record, and trump doesn’t come close, even after changing the rules in order to make it easier to send people back during Covid. Biden is on track to match trump in terms of deportations. Budget wise, we continue to spend money on border patrol and detention, 3 billion ish, but only $500 million for the court systems which process the people ICE takes in. Congress GOP more recently rejected Biden’s attempt to consolidate DHS services, and they want to take more money away from the court systems that process illegal immigrants. Simply, the resources are not aligned with the demands right now, and it’s causing backlogs and delays in processing and leading to even more issues.

Hot_Philosopher3199

And the point of Tesla is no more ICE, but that's not going to happen. The value of Bitcoin is its Fiat value......

tayfun333

That's what ICE that it has been more than one week and if the trance Action Fee would have been to low day would have charged me because the have my PayPal

jwz9904

shill me ICE

gr8banter

What the hell is ICE open network? 2.4 million twitters followers and it’s open is under 40 million market cap..?

NonTokeableFungin

How about : If punchcards die, all computer programming will be dead and irrelevant … If vinyl records die, all recorded music will be dead and irrelevant … If ICE engines die, all cars will be dead and irrelevant …. If floppy disks die, all media storage will be dead and irrelevant …

URPissingMeOff

You didn't really answer the question. HOW are you generating the power? Steam turbine? Gas turbine? ICE?

Yumiaomiao2986

It’s true that some exchanges have tightened their futures trading rules, especially for certain assets. However, there are still large platforms like CME Group and Intercontinental Exchange (ICE) where you can trade futures on a variety of commodities, indices, and even cryptocurrencies. If you’re looking for an active futures market, it might be worth checking out these exchanges.

Daisyssssmom

How cold? ICE COLD!

Unixwzrd

AFTERTHOUGHT AND REFLECTION: - couldn't edit original post to add this, but... Further thoughts, after thinking this through a bit, I mentioned not trusting those drives as something might have been put on them and is sitting waiting for them to be connected to something, as someone mentioned to me you may want boot a live image from a USB drive. Don't do this with a machine you care about, go to New Egg or someplace and buy a cheap motherboard and disks just for recovery. Don't connect it to the machine to the Internet. The most likely danger from these disks which have been lovingly cared for by ICE for 12 years, might have had their firmware flashed, which woudl be almost impossible to detect and could flash your BIOS or firmware in other devices on your hardware. Bitcoin was $4 a coin 12 years ago, and you've been waiting 12 years to get these back, a couple more weeks and being extra careful won't hurt. Treat anything connected to the recovery machine as infected and throw it away, making sure you do not connect it to anything else. There are stories of the evil USB sticks people find in the parking lot at work or elsewhere, treat these drives as though they are a complete biohazard. Take your time and do this right and I really hope you have a small fortune you can recover. Good luck!

Unixwzrd

Yeah, that's a good point rather than just a VM, maybe build a new machine you plan to throw away and boot of the USB and a live image. Maybe it's me, but I woudln't trust those disk drives after ICE had them for 12 years, and definitely not connected to a machine on the Internet. You have a good point there, I had mentioned before not trusting what might be on the drives, but if there is anything it could do just about anything, so forget about your BIOS, any attached disks, and even sadly any USB controllers and other items on the machine would be suspect. Be prepared to throw away everything after the recovery. As I said, waiting 12 years for a bitcoin wallet with a couple of bitcoins in it, you have time to do it right, even buy the disposable hardware., I mean bitcoin in 2012 was about $4 a coin then. I'd ant to be careful, because you could be sitting on a small fortune now.

cerebralvenom

Generally I’m with you, the Bitcoin subreddit is usually filled with techy type people, so he can probably figure it out. But something as simple as running vms on a machine can be pretty over the head of a standard user. Not that he doesn’t need this info. I would honestly not be surprised if ICE dropped malicious files on these drives. So he should read and understand the risks. However, honestly if he’s gonna go that far, I’d prolly just recommend doing a live SIFT boot off a USB. Then running all the forensics tools. I think in general, if you’re not going to go that far, OP, look at FTK Imager. It’s built to do this stuff and pretty intuitive.

nerdiestnerdballer

Why did ICE confiscate your drives?

crankykaren

ICE-HSI homeland security

crankykaren

ICE-HSI homeland security

Schneehenry3000

Newbie here, whats ICE?

an0myl0u523017

So they give you the btc back so they can come and arrests you for proceeds of crime amd tax evasion. 😂 Send them back to ICE bro.

Unixwzrd

Sorry, but hijacking this as no one has mentioned it. Go to [SANS.org](https://SANS.org) That is the Systems and Network Security organization, they give courses on forensics. They also have a lot of resources you will need or at least find handy as you go looking for your data. They have lots of free resources and information here at: [CyberSecurity Resources](https://www.sans.org/security-resources/) along with free tools, most Linux based, like the SIFT toolkit. You can find these tools here: [CyberSecurity Tools](https://www.sans.org/tools/?msc=securityresourceslp) including the [SIFT Workstation](https://www.sans.org/tools/sift-workstation/) which is an applianc ethat can be loaded into a virtual machine. Don't mount your disks directly, use a virtual machine, mounting the disks could destroy data too, so make sure you use "dd" and make a complete backup copy of the disk. A complete (compressed) image can be made like this: `dd if=/dev/sd2 | bzip2 - > MyDiskImage.bz2` MAKE BACKUP COPIES OF THESE FILES AND DO NOT STORE THEM ON THE SAME DEVICE. Make a backup copy of that file, the /dev/sd2, should be replaced for whatever device is created for the attached device, you can sometimes hot-swap these devices too. Make duplicates for reach disk and keep more than one copy, use a copy and uncompress that copy if you start using any tools on that image, so you have a "pristine" image you can always go back to in its original state. READ THE INFORMATION ON THE SANS SITE BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING!. I cannot stress this enough , they have enough information on their site under the resources link to help you get what you need. Use their tools, they work and they are good, they are what many professional forensics investigators use. If you download anything from the SANS site, be sire you check the checksums on the files / OS Images / Toolkits. The checksums are there along with instructions on how to check them. There are many tools there, but the SIFT Workstation is one of the best and has all the tools you will need. RUN INSIDE A VIRTUAL MACHINE ALWAYS, NEVER ATTACH YOUR DRIVES TO ANY MACHINE YOU USE. You don't know what's been put on those disks. The SANS Organization is responsible for certifying and training people in digital forensics, including your friends at ICE and other LE agencies, if the tools are good enough for them, they are more then enough for your needs. As for storage, go to Amazon and get several USB disks (big-guns, like 5-10TB) you can get these for real cheap and don't need anything fancy, spinning rust will do. Hope that helps and I wish I had a couple of those bitcoins from that far back. If you have any questions about the procedure, let me know, I'll try to help, but I think you will find everything you need on the SANS web site. Good luck, I hope you get your wallet back!

BigEyeDuck

Why is no one asking what ICE possibly did to the disks or integrity of the disks? They Likely also have an image. Just sayin.

tm52929

Ummm ICE? Internet Child Exploitation? That’s an investigative unit in Canada. I hope that’s not accurate and the reason why they had it!

No_Astronaut_8971

ICE forced you to hold it lol

MagicMycoDummy

ICE already has your BTC.

MountainAmbianc

ICE stole your coins

retr0ctv

Can we get the deets as to why ICE had your hardware? I feel like there is a good story there