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gethereddout

Pretty cool though how FIFA is partnering with ICE to provide security for the games

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; The NHL has partnered with Ndax, a Canadian crypto exchange, as the Official Crypto Exchange Partner for the 2025 Stanley Cup Playoffs. This marks the NHL's first crypto platform partnership and Ndax's debut in professional sports sponsorship. Ndax will gain brand exposure through in-ice logos, digital dasherboards, and a fan campaign called 'Ndax ICE,' featuring giveaways and crypto education. The partnership aims to boost crypto adoption and Ndax's user base, targeting Gen Z and Millennials. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

Sunnyjim333

Is your gold 9K, 14K, 18K? How do you make change for a 24K ounce? When ICE comes to your door and sends you half way across the globe, how do you keep your yellow metal with you? Twelve words and Bitcoin will fix that.

StoneHammers

The value of the dollar fell by like 2% in a single week vs basket of global currencies called the ICE dollar index. Bitcoin is not going up it's the dollar going down!

letsdrinktothat

*Officials are exploring whether large conglomerates could buy Bhutan's "green" coins to meet their targets on environmental, social and governance norms.* Interesting idea, kind of like how ICE car manufacturers buy carbon credits from Tesla, Rivian etc to bring down their carbon footprint. I'm not sure if that would work with current regulations, I mean for car manufacturers, there are specific laws in various countries specifying what percentage of their output must be zero emissions, and that's what enables their carbon credit market. But there are no such laws (yet) for bitcoin miners. And for companies just holding bitcoin rather than producing it, I'm not sure it would do much for them, sure, they could make claims about how green their bitcoin holdings are, but you would have the same old arguments about how the energy could have been used for something else. One way or another though, I think mining "green" bitcoin will work out great for Bhutan.

Bubbly_Ice3836

ICE and/or EV, as long as there is a need for a more decentralized bitcoin network. a small car may not seem very appealing, but think of bitcoin mining trucks.

NoFly3972

Fun idea, but I think it's never gonna work considering how difficult it is to be profitable even on "normal" electricity rates, pair that with installation costs and range decrease, yeah not very appealing. Maybe on ICE vehicles, which actually produce energy.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; The U.S. dollar is experiencing a 'confidence crisis,' with the ICE U.S. Dollar Index dropping sharply, raising concerns about its role as the global reserve currency. Analysts suggest rapid de-dollarization and structural reassessment of the dollar's attractiveness. This decline is seen as a potential boost for bitcoin, which may act as a safe haven asset similar to gold. Market dynamics are shifting due to Federal Reserve policy adjustments and U.S. trade pressures, potentially supporting bitcoin's price growth. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

Shitzu_Death

ICE will give you a free flight and accommodation in El Salvador.

Only-Inspector-3782

Well, now that the IRS is openly complying with ICE, there's no reason to pay your taxes if you are engaged in any sort of illegal activity. What's the point of paying federal taxes when they mainly go to enriching the world's richest men?

SamuelBrault03

I don't know where that girl is but if yall want a risk-free way to get started in crypto id say Pi network is the way. 1 tap a day and you mine crypto on your phone. Now that they have paved the way there are so many projects like it coming up. I have compiled a list with my referral codes for you guys to use! Have you guys heard of Cpen Network? Still early and is set to launch in Q1 of 2026. Early predictions are talking about a starting price of $1. If you started early or late on Pi. Don't miss this chance ************** Cpen Network Referral code: samb03 Other similar projects and referral codes ⬇️⬇️⬇️ Rubi Network: NMJWISJDBJ Bee Network: samb03 BlockDAG x1 miner app: SXUa5k3e Crypto Mayors by ICE Open Network: samb03 Co-met Network: samb03 Hi Network: H0MUA4X3 Dino Network [Polygonscan]: samb03 Krypton Network: samb03 LITCHI Coin: samb03 Qubit Network: samb03 Rabit Network: samb03 Remint: VS3Z4B7X Omega Network: samb03 Unich Trade Crypto [mining]: samb03 Alfa Network: samuel03 Sato Cash: samb03 Delta.kim [Delta Coin] Referrer DID: UU9FVQ4EL20LG Pi Network: SamuelBrault **************** I might add more or remove some in the future. My mindset behind having so many is that with Pi Network breakthrough we now know sky is the limit. Most these projects are fairly new and will have to prove themselves. But in the meantime... let's mine in hope 💯🚀

LargeSnorlax

*"Trump has to say something about the trillions in value he's personally destroyed"* Actual Trump: *I AM PROUD TO ANNOUNCE ICE HAS PROUDLY PICKED UP ONE KID FROM A COLLEGE AND DEPORTED HIM!"

Paratrooper2000

The US economy is fucked! Wallstreet is getting nervous. Not a good sign! Applications for unemployment benefits unexpectedly increased. The manufacturing sector reported fewer new orders. And above all, the trade war caused unrest. Canada and China immediately imposed counter tariffs, and Mexico's President Claudia Sheinbaum said she would announce her own retaliatory measures on Sunday. The tariffs hurt the US car economy itself. Some car parts are sent back and forth between US and Mexico 10x before built into a car. Chipotle and Walmart warn of rising costs, higher prices and lower sales. Expansion plans were put on hold and new hires were postponed. The regional central bank in Atlanta has already dared to forecast that the US economy would shrink by 1.5 percent in the first three months of this year. That would be an emergency brake on the economy: last year it grew by 2.8 percent. Fear of the ICE border patrol is driving many undocumented workers into hiding. Citrus farmers in California's Central Valley, where about a quarter of the fruits and vegetables produced in the United States come from, reported that harvesters did not dare to go to work. Source: Newspaper

Numerous_Ruin_4947

**When the contract was originally approved in February 2022, it listed a value of $8 billion ‒ in an apparent clerical error**. For perspective, the entire ICE budget for fiscal year 2024 was $8.7 billion. [https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/02/19/doge-said-it-cut-8-billion-contract-8-million/79176949007/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/02/19/doge-said-it-cut-8-billion-contract-8-million/79176949007/) This clerical error was made in 2022. So you're blaming DOGE for the clerical error made during Biden's presidency? This just shows how nothing can be trusted and should be looked at with a magnifying glass!

dataCollector42069

Hard Republican/Traditional Conservative family thoughts when discussing Trump this weekend with them We knew he was sleazy but simply liked a few of his policies as we are traditional conservatives. Only thing we liked about his presidency was ICE. Everything else, we think he lost his actual mind We regret our vote. If Kamala would have taken action to secure the border SERIOUSLY and end DEI I honestly would have taken her. Trump is just slashing federal jobs without understanding those federal workers also buy stuff like everyone else and going to cause lasting impacts to the economy

Intelligent-Feed-201

A smoke test is what this entire chapter is, the hiring freezes, the ICE raids, the budget cuts; all meant to see where the smoke leaks from on the other end

lazoras

I'm starting to wonder if trump is captured or reddit is captured.... it also doesn't make sense to me if tariffs are generally bad for the American citizens...why are the countries it's targeting so fucking upset about it.... also, why is almost every sub that talks about ICE and immigration conveniently keep dropping the ILLEAGAL portion and desperately trying to make it about race?!! I thought separating people making them against each other was a regressive tactic....democrats were supposedly trying to bring people together?!!

Iam6s

ICE is chasing out the Bitcoin bears

Jolly-Garbage-

So ICE is raiding towns across America right now and the far right is hating immigrants more than ever and yet we just gave one access to the entire treasury. Makes complete sense

transatoshi_mw

ICE ICE baby

7101334

> Your graphic, and your sources, which are legit, show that the numbers are very similar, within 15% of each other. Yes, now you're getting it. The point is that there's virtually no difference between either wing of the corporate-owned Uniparty. >They confidently did not put all the data on the graphic. I wonder why? For COVID, it's because Trump didn't have to deal with COVID for the first half of his presidency so no figures were available. On Biden's end, he declared the end of the pandemic, so COVID stats aren't available for most of his presidency. Plus it's most accurate to compare the closest years of each administration when the pandemic was at its height. For ICE, it was simply that their website is incredibly hard to navigate and I couldn't find clear figures for all years. But I could find figures for the 3rd year of both administrations, so I used that. >Biden then comes into a shit storm and starts to unfuck what happened I don't think pledging "ironclad support" and "no red lines" for our imperial outpost conducting the modern-day holocaust, spending billions killing innocent people that could've been used to improve the miserable lives of his overworked subjects, then praising police who beat nonviolent students opposed to that holocaust, can be qualified as "unfucking" anything, nor can it be blamed on Trump. Though he'll be guilty of the same crimes in time. Because the problem isn't any individual, it's capitalism and colonialism and white supremacy.

foundout-side

retail-investing is traumatized right now, ICE raids all over the country have people holding their wallets, data on retail performance in january is a bloodbath, this is all verifiable right now with a google result and not speculation. Trump & team just did a 3-day hitpiece on NVDA, likely for their puts; deepseek / chips tarriffs / chip sale regulation to china shit's going further down

Vette_Guy482

Give it some time Trump is restructuring the IRS as we speak. All those 80000 agents nushbrain hired. Are either pink slipped or offered ICE positions. The irs has no fcking clue how to regulate or tax anything, not alone crypto. When I first stated 10 years ago. Lord wishes I bought bitcoin, instead of staking XRP mainly. My CPA filled as my filing as profit only. Meaning if I sent the crypto from an exchange sold it then to my bank. However I did a few times, but mostly my 50 different crypto I own go only to my wallets and cold storage or sit on the exchanges. SO I never made money technically on them. Idk I think we need clear rules. I would personally never use those crypto softwares. Hope my input

toxicavenger70

Did you read my comment? I was responding in good faith with the indictment information I found from ICE. You originally post no information.

DemonHuntman

I just swap my ICE with USDT and continue mining with AI Mining app. I can earn and withdraw daily to my Trust wallet account. Minimum earning is 2.2% daily. You may join me on the link here : https://bit176.3mqx.com/#/?invite=WGRUU

_IscoATX

Depreciation of cars only really matters if you want to sell or count them as part of your net worth. What that doesn’t count in is peace of mind from reliability, savings on energy consumption(compare the MPGe of a Tesla to an ICE car). Polluting your direct environment less through exhaust emissions. And just straight up owning something you want to own and enjoy and not going into debt for it. OP cashed in SOME gains for a nice car when their old car was dying, and ofc there is no guarantee that BTC will always go up even if we all think it will.

BeKindBabies

Sounds like he had an ICE car before and is inferring that was not true for him. 

Extinct1234

Legitimately, not in the same ballpark.  Complete ICE replacement is 25-50% of the cost of replacing a battery on a Tesla. And, usually, individual parts of an ICE can be repaired or replaced, rather than replacing the whole thing. https://www.hillerautomotive.com/post/how-much-does-an-engine-replacement-cost https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/tesla-battery-replacement-costs

Glittering-Local-147

Look I'm not into Tesla or an EV yet but this argument is dumb as hell. Like yeah it'd be expensive to replace the battery, but would it also not be expensive to change the entire engine on an ICE car? .

VladStopStalking

I owned a model 3 since 4 years and never had to spend a single cent in maintenance other than filling up the windshield cleaner and changing the tires once. My battery still has 95% the max capacity as it had when it was new. I spent way more in maintenance when I used to drive an ICE car

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WreckinRich

I don't know what it is but ICE has been popping up in my feed.

LiveCat6

That's just not true. For the sake of argument if you had a car that lasted 30 years and required no maintenance and used significantly less carbon over its life-cycle, by your logic that would still be "by far the most wasteful" because it's not repairable? I can't speak to the repairability of teslas as far as how easy it is to replace the battery pack - or replace the electric motors but I suspect that the frequency of how often that is needed is quite low, and my guess is that the cost and ease of doing so will only improve in time The fact of the matter is that teslas have a much lower mileage cost, and they have significantly less lifecycle carbon emissions so they're a vast improvement over ICE engines.

Ok-Grapefruit1284

But wait a minute. Strictly looking at the issue of illegal immigration, historically, democrat administrations have removed more illegal immigrants than republican administrations. If I’m not mistaken, Obama holds the record, and trump doesn’t come close, even after changing the rules in order to make it easier to send people back during Covid. Biden is on track to match trump in terms of deportations. Budget wise, we continue to spend money on border patrol and detention, 3 billion ish, but only $500 million for the court systems which process the people ICE takes in. Congress GOP more recently rejected Biden’s attempt to consolidate DHS services, and they want to take more money away from the court systems that process illegal immigrants. Simply, the resources are not aligned with the demands right now, and it’s causing backlogs and delays in processing and leading to even more issues.

Hot_Philosopher3199

And the point of Tesla is no more ICE, but that's not going to happen. The value of Bitcoin is its Fiat value......

tayfun333

That's what ICE that it has been more than one week and if the trance Action Fee would have been to low day would have charged me because the have my PayPal

jwz9904

shill me ICE

gr8banter

What the hell is ICE open network? 2.4 million twitters followers and it’s open is under 40 million market cap..?

NonTokeableFungin

How about : If punchcards die, all computer programming will be dead and irrelevant … If vinyl records die, all recorded music will be dead and irrelevant … If ICE engines die, all cars will be dead and irrelevant …. If floppy disks die, all media storage will be dead and irrelevant …

URPissingMeOff

You didn't really answer the question. HOW are you generating the power? Steam turbine? Gas turbine? ICE?

Yumiaomiao2986

It’s true that some exchanges have tightened their futures trading rules, especially for certain assets. However, there are still large platforms like CME Group and Intercontinental Exchange (ICE) where you can trade futures on a variety of commodities, indices, and even cryptocurrencies. If you’re looking for an active futures market, it might be worth checking out these exchanges.

Daisyssssmom

How cold? ICE COLD!

Unixwzrd

AFTERTHOUGHT AND REFLECTION: - couldn't edit original post to add this, but... Further thoughts, after thinking this through a bit, I mentioned not trusting those drives as something might have been put on them and is sitting waiting for them to be connected to something, as someone mentioned to me you may want boot a live image from a USB drive. Don't do this with a machine you care about, go to New Egg or someplace and buy a cheap motherboard and disks just for recovery. Don't connect it to the machine to the Internet. The most likely danger from these disks which have been lovingly cared for by ICE for 12 years, might have had their firmware flashed, which woudl be almost impossible to detect and could flash your BIOS or firmware in other devices on your hardware. Bitcoin was $4 a coin 12 years ago, and you've been waiting 12 years to get these back, a couple more weeks and being extra careful won't hurt. Treat anything connected to the recovery machine as infected and throw it away, making sure you do not connect it to anything else. There are stories of the evil USB sticks people find in the parking lot at work or elsewhere, treat these drives as though they are a complete biohazard. Take your time and do this right and I really hope you have a small fortune you can recover. Good luck!

Unixwzrd

Yeah, that's a good point rather than just a VM, maybe build a new machine you plan to throw away and boot of the USB and a live image. Maybe it's me, but I woudln't trust those disk drives after ICE had them for 12 years, and definitely not connected to a machine on the Internet. You have a good point there, I had mentioned before not trusting what might be on the drives, but if there is anything it could do just about anything, so forget about your BIOS, any attached disks, and even sadly any USB controllers and other items on the machine would be suspect. Be prepared to throw away everything after the recovery. As I said, waiting 12 years for a bitcoin wallet with a couple of bitcoins in it, you have time to do it right, even buy the disposable hardware., I mean bitcoin in 2012 was about $4 a coin then. I'd ant to be careful, because you could be sitting on a small fortune now.

cerebralvenom

Generally I’m with you, the Bitcoin subreddit is usually filled with techy type people, so he can probably figure it out. But something as simple as running vms on a machine can be pretty over the head of a standard user. Not that he doesn’t need this info. I would honestly not be surprised if ICE dropped malicious files on these drives. So he should read and understand the risks. However, honestly if he’s gonna go that far, I’d prolly just recommend doing a live SIFT boot off a USB. Then running all the forensics tools. I think in general, if you’re not going to go that far, OP, look at FTK Imager. It’s built to do this stuff and pretty intuitive.

nerdiestnerdballer

Why did ICE confiscate your drives?

crankykaren

ICE-HSI homeland security

crankykaren

ICE-HSI homeland security

Schneehenry3000

Newbie here, whats ICE?

an0myl0u523017

So they give you the btc back so they can come and arrests you for proceeds of crime amd tax evasion. 😂 Send them back to ICE bro.

Unixwzrd

Sorry, but hijacking this as no one has mentioned it. Go to [SANS.org](https://SANS.org) That is the Systems and Network Security organization, they give courses on forensics. They also have a lot of resources you will need or at least find handy as you go looking for your data. They have lots of free resources and information here at: [CyberSecurity Resources](https://www.sans.org/security-resources/) along with free tools, most Linux based, like the SIFT toolkit. You can find these tools here: [CyberSecurity Tools](https://www.sans.org/tools/?msc=securityresourceslp) including the [SIFT Workstation](https://www.sans.org/tools/sift-workstation/) which is an applianc ethat can be loaded into a virtual machine. Don't mount your disks directly, use a virtual machine, mounting the disks could destroy data too, so make sure you use "dd" and make a complete backup copy of the disk. A complete (compressed) image can be made like this: `dd if=/dev/sd2 | bzip2 - > MyDiskImage.bz2` MAKE BACKUP COPIES OF THESE FILES AND DO NOT STORE THEM ON THE SAME DEVICE. Make a backup copy of that file, the /dev/sd2, should be replaced for whatever device is created for the attached device, you can sometimes hot-swap these devices too. Make duplicates for reach disk and keep more than one copy, use a copy and uncompress that copy if you start using any tools on that image, so you have a "pristine" image you can always go back to in its original state. READ THE INFORMATION ON THE SANS SITE BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING!. I cannot stress this enough , they have enough information on their site under the resources link to help you get what you need. Use their tools, they work and they are good, they are what many professional forensics investigators use. If you download anything from the SANS site, be sire you check the checksums on the files / OS Images / Toolkits. The checksums are there along with instructions on how to check them. There are many tools there, but the SIFT Workstation is one of the best and has all the tools you will need. RUN INSIDE A VIRTUAL MACHINE ALWAYS, NEVER ATTACH YOUR DRIVES TO ANY MACHINE YOU USE. You don't know what's been put on those disks. The SANS Organization is responsible for certifying and training people in digital forensics, including your friends at ICE and other LE agencies, if the tools are good enough for them, they are more then enough for your needs. As for storage, go to Amazon and get several USB disks (big-guns, like 5-10TB) you can get these for real cheap and don't need anything fancy, spinning rust will do. Hope that helps and I wish I had a couple of those bitcoins from that far back. If you have any questions about the procedure, let me know, I'll try to help, but I think you will find everything you need on the SANS web site. Good luck, I hope you get your wallet back!

BigEyeDuck

Why is no one asking what ICE possibly did to the disks or integrity of the disks? They Likely also have an image. Just sayin.

tm52929

Ummm ICE? Internet Child Exploitation? That’s an investigative unit in Canada. I hope that’s not accurate and the reason why they had it!

No_Astronaut_8971

ICE forced you to hold it lol

MagicMycoDummy

ICE already has your BTC.

MountainAmbianc

ICE stole your coins

retr0ctv

Can we get the deets as to why ICE had your hardware? I feel like there is a good story there

RDMvb6

Would love to hear the story about how ICE ended up with your hard drives that had bitcoin on them please.

Stuckinthesandbox

This is the same mentality of “I’m not going to let someone work on my $100k Patek Philippe because they might steal it.” There are extremely reputable data recovery services out there, I’ve used many. Had $60k in BTC recovered off a completely failed RAID setup where two drives failed simultaneously. Both the primary and backup. It was $6k to recover back in 2016, but well worth it. That same business is still professionally recovering. OP is welcome to take the poor advice here of “recover yourself“ but we have no idea of how the drives have been handled. Both by ICE, but also any third party to include the shippers. For all we know, the second he boots it, the actuator arm could’ve failed and the read/write heads will shave the entire first layer of the platter. Happens all the time if it was mishandled. You will potentially sabotage any chance of recovery if there is any physical damage. Insane that people are suggesting to just boot them when they potentially have $180k on them. But this is Reddit so I’m not surprised.

OkBurner777

I agree with the risk sentiment, I’m definitely more bearish on the market this fall than bullish, tons of uncertainty after the huge tech run up this winter/spring. Naturally, I think that a massive expansion of tech - AI, chips, rockets, etc, has to be followed by expansion into energy. This is also supplemented by the geopolitical considerations you mentioned. Whether the tanks are ICE or EV, they’ll need a lot of juice. However, no energy stocks are being talked about, and there is lots of uncertainty in nuclear and renewables. Oil & gas stocks are good for old guys to park money in, but they don’t really move like growth does.

Winter-Fun-6193

As someone that works in immigration services and has a friend at ICE in el paso, border crossings have dropped significantly. Biden's executive order changed it. 

fireballx777

The logic makes sense -- ICE cars exist today and are widely used. Switching to electric cars is "green" not because using electricity is automatically green, but because *switching* from burning fossil fuels to using electricity is green*er* (acknowledging that much of the world's electric generation still comes from burning fossil fuels -- there's still efficiency by doing it at power plants rather than in individual ICEs). I don't agree with the end premise that Bitcoin should be avoided/banned, but one can logically hold both beliefs that switching to electric cars is beneficial and *also* that we should reduce overall electricity consumption.

AvatarOfMomus

And I'm telling you that criminals don't move large sums of money, think like millions of more of dollars, via cash. They especially don't move large sums of cash internationally. At that point Cash is too clunky, it is literally too heavy, and getting that much cash together in one place is in and of itself traceable because no legitimate entity outside of governments and a *tiny* number of banks in the *world* moves money like that. >But for transfers outside borders also, you just need to pass border security(no need for fake companies, fake id, etc like you mentioned). Like, you're acting like this is super easy, but it's just *not*. As previously noted, if you want to move a billion dollars in cash then you're looking at an 18 wheeler or shipping container full of stacks of bills. Stacks of cash, due to the metalic inks, show up *very well* and *very distinctly* on xray and other forms of imaging, so border security doesn't even need to look inside the container to go "oh, that's full of cash, that's suspicious as hell". Yeah, they won't lose everything they try and ship like that, but they'll lose enough that it'll impose a serious cost, above and beyond the few percent that transferring the money via Tether or Bitcoin or similar. > U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement: > Every year, hundreds of people try to smuggle more than $10,000 across U.S. borders in order to avoid reporting requirements. In fiscal year 2013 alone, ICE HSI special agents arrested over 520 individuals who were attempting to smuggle currency and seized more than $59 million in bulk currency or monetary instruments. Yes, it happens, but if you do the math that's about 100k per person in 2013. Also that page is *old*, as evidenced by the 2013 statistic. In otherwords it predates the advent of CC exchanges and the more widespread adoption of crypto, which is what's made it viable for large value international transfers. Also 59 million is not actually that much in the grand scheme of international money laundering. That one crooked CC exchange I linked to earlier processed over a billion in illicit funds. Lastly, what they're talking about is land border cash smuggling in mostly smaller amounts. This only works because the US has a number of land borders, and the cartels in Mexico effectively control their half of the border. It's also because they're mostly taking payment in cash for the drugs they sell, and putting that cash into the banking system in the US itself isn't viable, as it would set off alarm bells with authorities. Basically this is a specific circumstance where cash smuggling is *more* viable, but it's still not how the majority of the money moves. It's the exception that proves the rule here. You're cherry picking your facts and arguments here, and ignoring all the evidence to the contrary. The one thing we agree on here is that CC is going to be more regulated, but the whole reason it's going to be more regulated is *because it's being used for money laundering*. 🤣🤣🤣

thenamelessone7

Musk is the CEO (unlike Jesse Powell) and TESLA cars have many objectively identifiable issues other than the fact who is the CEO. I know I would not buy one because of QC issues or the fact there is no dashboard behind the steering wheel. Musk being a weirdo would be a secondary decision making factor. Not to omit the fact that EVs are still expensive relative to ICE cars and a large portion of the population cannot afford them. The early adopters have already bought and the total addressable market seems to be getting saturated for the time being.

Mental-Guard-9806

Ground source heat pumps or any ICE boilers..

GiverTakerMaker

I think the reasoning should be different... You guys want to use ICE cars on public roads ok = fuel tax (BS but that is the typical logic) You want a fair stock market with a regulatory body... ok cap gains taxes... (Again BS but the logic is there) What does the government do for us with respect to Bitcoin... answer nothing... so why are they entitled to tax it.... The arguments for taxing are so tenuous and so stupid to the point of reducto absurdism.. Gold to see so many folks feel the same as me... they have no sound basis whatsoever it's all just one big fiat scam and we are getting screwed.

Worriedstudent007

Back in the day I watched the entire MIT crypto course taught by none other than Gary Gensler himself. The entire course is available online. One single lesson is missing from the web. That course had a guest speaker from ICE (Intercontinental Exchange). They own and operate the NYSE and I’d guess they could possibly be up to something in the way of a tokenized exchange. Pure speculation on my part, I didn’t dig into it at all, but found it super curious that the lesson was redacted from the rest of the publicly available archive.

7101334

**People Killed by US Police** (Source: statista.com) * Joe Biden (2021 - 2023): 3,308 * Donald Trump (2017 - 2019) 2,963 **COVID-19 Deaths** (Source: cdc.gov) * Joe Biden (2021): 463,267 * Donald Trump (2020): 385,676 **Oil Drilling Permits Granted on Federal Lands** (Source: blm.gov) * Joe Biden (2021-2023): 10,136 * Donald Trump (2017 - 2019) 9,298 **People in Custody of ICE & Border Patrol** * Joe Biden (2023): 36,845 * Donald Trump (2019) 50,922 ----------- By which objective metric is Biden meaningfully a "lesser evil" in your mind?

Unhappy_Original_236

ICE has got my vote

Tizaj

Yup! ICE is more interesting they own the NYSE

Tizaj

They do. They’ve had a lot of restructuring and stock price has been decimated. Earnings next week. Hoping this is the turn around. They have played the compliance game from day 1 and ICE is their largest shareholder. Blackrock also has a piece.

ResponsibilitySea327

Lololol. You don't know what they hell I do, do you? You have ZERO idea what running a large power grid is like until you step in my shoes. The plant I support is guaranteed to be several times larger than all the other plants you've been party to. I'll bet the proverbial farm on that one. You don't have the education or clearances to even step in those shoes. But your comment is more related to the price of tea than bitcoin. Of course any economic output requites power. And any power generation has a environmental cost. The point is that ESG is just a political leverage point and doesn't make something "green". It is all based in one's reference. A wond farm is arguably better than coal and an EV may be better than an ICE car in some references, but it doesn't mean that building an EV is environmentally friendly. SEER 16 is better than SEER 14, but you won't save the planet running a SEER 16 AC unit 24/7. You can consume your way to environmentally friendly, you can only mitigate future power growth rates. Take ESG politics and shove it.

Steve_at_Reddit

Henry Ford was an arrogant ass. Plus he never actually asked people. Hence the "If" part of his quote. But he knew how to make cheap ICE cars. I'll give him that.

4569

i could mention something about ICP what i thought you meant at first, dont know dick about ICE sorry

kingoftask

What do you guys think about buying $ICE?

shadowdax

> because losses are covered by insurances. There are no insurances at all, the best you can do if Eurex is down and you're caught long 200 bund is to try to hedge on a broadly correlated instrument. Maybe sell 10-yr Gilt on ICE or ZN on Globex. ​ >Cardano Come on, Cardano was completely unusable for over a week post SundaeSwap launch. The mempool queued up to infinity. There still is no DeFi to speak of on Cardano because it is too slow to handle it. Ethereum regularly leaves users unable to trade because the cost of doing so is prohibitive. If you're Joe Retail and you have a $3k position on and it costs $300 to close it, you're giving up 10%!. Bitcoin sometimes has 5 hour gaps in block production. But then no one is using it for defi in the first place. You're like someone mocking SpaceX when they blow up a rocket by pointing out that your trusty bicycle never explodes.

SomeAreLonger

EV's were once laughed at, confession I did, but now their build time and costs are shrinking compared to ICE. Space mining will sound just as laughable, but will happen and once it does the value of gold will fall, since gold is near limitless in space. [https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/space-mining-1.7012869](https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/space-mining-1.7012869)

VirtualSlip2368

ROTFLMAO! I got my ledger seized by ICE going through the US. I just moved my BTCs to a Trezor when they released me :) Didn't need the Ledger! I'm still laughing :)

k_gavivina

Sleepy Joe might issue an arrest warrant for Saylor for making the Dollar melting ICE cube hahahahaha

Initialised

EV is to ICE what Bitcoin is to Fiat and what LED is to Candles

Lexsteel11

I agree- I love my car but the pledges to replace all ICE cars by XXXX date is dumb

Shibenaut

EVs are just slightly different though. ICE and EV cars are both depreciating assets. Eventually EVs will be as cheap as ICE cars

MankindIsOnTheBrink

Depends on what token or coin someone is holding. If you have $500 of a token at $0.0000000001 it’s not gonna be worth the on ramp/off ramp repeatedly ; to say nothing of the time that takes up. Sure, I bought $25 of FEG Token because I got in on a big dip (0.0002 & it’s now $0.001 so I’m happy with the profits. However in such infinitesimal numbers, it’s not worth the attempts to SBF your own wallet. Due to the fact that crypto has zero real world value, nor anything tangible to make it a true store of value & inflation hedge and ones investment can be gone by backspacing any given 0 or 1, I just through a little money in and let it sit. If I lost $250, then “oops” & move on. Rea world uses for crypto are species at best and are not much different that electric vehicles. EV’s are so far away from being able provide range & refill/recharge times equivalent to ICE - and now have been proven to put MORE carbons into the air than a comparable ICE which just proves that EVs are a quasi- eco-friendly vehicle, they are useless for the needs of the majority of humankind’s vehicular needs and has so many obstacles to full adoption that I would expect a severe dip in EV sales for the next 5-7 years, manufacturers will fold, ICE will reign supreme again and then 15 years from now someone with try again. That’s a lot like the entirety of crypto…it’s going to be gone from the earth or nearly gone in the not to distant future when everyone wakes up to the fact that it’s not even “funny money” & is even more useless than Monopoly money. I through some money in because “hey, maybe I hit lightening in a bottle by a weird chance and I can retire at 40 years of but my expectation is that I’ll never see my money back. If you lose your account info (seed phrase), or your wallet is hacked & wiped, it’s over, it’s gone, you’re never getting it back. With a real bank or credit Union, if you lose a card or someone steals your money, the real world financial infrastructure has the ability to make you whole again in many ways. I just hope my fellow millennials realize this. I’d say the same for Gen-Z but that generation is so clueless to everything in life that someone could piss on the face & tell them it’s raining and Gen-z would buy it..”no cap” 🤨🙄

kingoftask

Is ICE a good buy?

k_gavivina

Melting ICE fiat.

DontDieSenpai

I have been digging into the concerns related to scalability and looking into how the Lightning Network operates. It's brought up even more concerns, and deeper down the rabbit hole I go. While I do have significant concerns with bitcoin, I do still believe in it. This sub is the perfect embodiment of "noise", but it's nice to finally get a signal once in awhile. Thanks! I appreciate your forewarning, I have an old Ledger ICE with an itty bitty stack on it. My cold storage is in a safe place, and I have a titanium seed plate safely tucked away as well. Thanks again, Take care!

CompleteEgg5296

Despite this person's verbal diarrhea, the fact is that it's already been determined that even if you drive an EV and charge it with coal powered electricity, it will still be cleaner than an ICE vehicle over its lifetime. These are facts, and this guy can safely be ignored.

PopFirm5291

I got ICE Cube.

Frogolocalypse

I'm providing a juxtaposition about the effort involved in feeding your EV vs an ICE car.

Frogolocalypse

> if you really want to be economical with our energy use then you'd buy pre-owned anything over new anything Damn straight. The expansion of this phenomenon of this with second and third owned EVs is going to be the final nail in the coffin for ICE cars. About 10 years and you'll have to be asking whether you'll ever be able to even sell a second or third hand ICE car. An EV on the other hand. The battery alone becomes a valuable resource.

phaattiee

That's literally not what I'm claiming at all. EV's are clearly the future... but if you really want to be economical with our energy use then you'd buy pre-owned anything over new anything until all the pre owned has been used is the most energy efficient option regardless of EV or ICE. The way people miss the point is astounding.

phaattiee

Did you even bother to check the article.... 100% an advocate for EV's in the future. In the short term we should be using up the supply of perfectly working ICE vehicles we have before making the jump. Not to mention the financial incentive for most people to do so. I think you're blinded by bias since you're being condescending, I'm a STEM student and extremely good at maths thank you...

phaattiee

It literally says it right there... higher initial cost/more energy intensive to produce but is then offset over time, which means you'd have to drive your electric vehicle for a large number of miles before it claws back its production cost... combine this with a cars representing a social status symbol from a western cultural perspective, maybe not yourself but most people wont drive their EV's long enough for the planet to reap the rewards before they buy the next shiny vehicle... At current present... The most sustainable option is to purchase pre owned petrol/diesel (Diesel in particular) vehicles as their production costs from an energy standpoint have already been paid whereas making the switch would require you to drive your EV until it literally dies to offset the deficit which was the point I was making. Trying to social engineer a shift towards used vehicles in the short-term would definitely reap greater rewards whilst we iron out the kinks in the EV shift for another decade or so... Never said they aren't the future, but at present they're not the MOST sustainable option... Not to mention the moral implications of Cobalt mining for batteries etc... Before you jump down my throat, I'm fully aware there are strides being made in alternate tech there as well but its still not being manufactured at the larger scale yet. We should 100% be tailoring back ICE vehicles... I don't dispute any of what you said... I just think you missed what I was grasping at... here's an article you might be interested in... https://earth.org/environmental-impact-of-battery-production/#:\~:text=The%20additional%20environmental%20cost%20of,only'%20account%20for%2026%25.

CompleteEgg5296

Here's some more info The question of whether internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles or electric vehicles (EVs) have a bigger carbon footprint, even when the EVs are powered by the dirtiest possible electricity, is quite nuanced and depends on various factors including the source of electricity, the manufacturing process of the vehicles, and their lifetime usage. When considering the carbon footprint over the entire lifecycle of the vehicle (which includes manufacturing, operation, and end-of-life disposal), ICE vehicles typically emit more CO2 than EVs, even when the EVs are charged with electricity generated from the dirtiest sources, such as coal. The reason is that ICE vehicles are less efficient in converting energy into motion, with a significant portion of the energy lost to heat. Over the lifespan of the vehicle, this inefficiency results in higher overall emissions. The manufacturing of EVs, particularly the production of lithium-ion batteries, is more energy-intensive and carbon-intensive than the manufacturing of ICE vehicles. This means that EVs start with a higher carbon footprint. However, this initial deficit is usually offset over time by the lower operational emissions, as electricity—even from coal—is generally used more efficiently by EVs than gasoline or diesel is used by ICE vehicles. Studies, including those from the International Council on Clean Transportation (ICCT) and the Union of Concerned Scientists, have shown that EVs tend to have lower lifetime greenhouse gas emissions than comparable ICE vehicles across a wide range of electricity grid carbon intensities. Even in regions where coal dominates the energy mix, the efficiency of electric vehicles in converting electricity into transportation still tends to make them less carbon-intensive over their life compared to ICE vehicles. It's important to note that the gap in carbon footprint between EVs and ICE vehicles is expected to widen in favor of EVs as the electricity grid becomes cleaner with more renewable energy sources like wind and solar power. As the grid decarbonizes, the operational emissions of EVs decrease, whereas the operational emissions of ICE vehicles remain largely unchanged since they are tied to the carbon intensity of the fuel they burn. In summary, while the exact difference in carbon footprint depends on specific circumstances, EVs generally have a lower total carbon footprint than ICE vehicles over their lifetime, even when charged with electricity from the dirtiest sources. This advantage is poised to grow as efforts to decarbonize electricity generation progress worldwide.

CompleteEgg5296

You're sorely misinformed about the carbon footprint of ICE vehicles vs EVs. Like just completely wrong. It's not hard to look up. I don't know what you mean by deteriorating twice as fast. My EV is the best, most reliable, least needy vehicle I've ever had. I'm at 170,000 km and all I've had to do is: Replace tires, go in for minor recalls, change cabin air filter myself. One repair in the wheel well due to bad luck damage is the only time I've ever had to pay a mechanic. Maybe you should run the numbers? If you can afford them, and don't live in an extreme climate, they're a no brainer from a sustainability and reliability standpoint, and even a cost standpoint in the long run. In a handful of years, they'll even be suited for extreme climates.

Rebellion_Protocol

Oh, ICE token? That's kinda cool, ain't it? Free mobile mining and exchanges hosting it, pretty much a jackpot dude. Considerin' ya interest, this sub might fancy you: https://www.reddit.com/r/DailyLedger/

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; OKX, a crypto exchange, is facing allegations of restrictive trading practices after listing the ICE coin. Ice, the organization behind ICE coin, claims that OKX imposed unfair and inconsistent restrictions on users trying to access and trade the coin, with some users in the same region experiencing different levels of access. OKX has responded by stating that they adhere to local regulations and customer protection, suggesting that these issues may be related to their policy. The controversy challenges OKX's commitment to transparency and security as it expands globally. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

Johnuvie

Saw this. Honestly, it just reminded me how wild the crypto market is. Their coin did a significant dip just by the statement from ICE official account

SomeFlyGuy

was on mexc, saw they listed ICE bought a small bag on a whim and im actually up pretty decently

tbombs23

I have high hopes for SWEAT because it's a decent project and backed by movement. Also just got involved with ICE mining ⛏️ and it seems like a promising project with transparency. If anyone would like more information and how to get involved for a lot of potential upside lmk! #snowmen