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Secret_Computer4891

I'm not sorry at all I missed it, and you won't hear me cry about missing it should it run to 1MM. I don't need BTC to do anything at all to get rich...I'm already there.

Sandvicheater

There's no doubt in my mind that Bitcoin is going back to $120k but the biggest question is how long till recovery. But probability of bitcoin going to $500k or even $1MM a coin is looking less and less likely each day as people are flocking to AI since its still the hottest thing since sliced bread or safer shores like gold and silver.

hey_GM

Bro I like you but c'mon, TA when MM and CEX are manipulating liquidity?! Crypto space must come back to OG vision. And belief and community assets are the new alpha.

Own_Chapter9338

This is MM cryptos chart he copied it

AttemptKitchen

At this prices its fairy easy for MM to manipulate the markets, much more in alts.

mrgoodcat1509

Above $69420: bullish Valhalla and $1MM BTC awaits!!! Below $69420: bearish revisiting COVID prices

heyheyshinyCRH

I think they'll likely get hosed. MM's holding flat, pulling up the 1H50 towards the 200. To me it looks like we're going to be getting a retrace back up a bit. At least pins to 72, if they were going to short they should do it there imo

technotrader

A wealth tax would be better then. I know people go berserk if they hear those words, because it's a yearly tax on everything. The key is to keep it very low. In Switzerland, capital gains on Coins are free, you just pay a wealth tax of like $5000 per $1MM. And if your portfolio then crashes, no more taxes.

b1mm3rl1f3

Actually yeah, sounds about right. Distribution phase, then another bigger drop. I’m hoping we go to $35K so I can buy $1MM for 0.035M

boomeradf

So are you make the connection she will take her 200MM to buy Bitcoin or has she made such a comment? I personally think she is just going to buy more dancing knives.

mookyvon

$50 MM to $10 MM is already rekt

Demonyx12

Huh, TIL. I’ve seen M and MM and even m, never seen mln.

BottomTimer_TunaFish

Yesterday, the long vs short open interests were so lopsided at 300 million longs versus 2.9 billion shorts with a B. Since most people are bearish, they will pile in with shorts and provide rocket fuel to the upside when they cover their shorts or get liquidated. MM make more money to the upside when the asset appreciates and profit from liquidations. On the downside, they make less money because the asset depreciates and cancels out the profits from shorting. I hope you took advantage of the opportunity yesterday to buy near the bottom. I bought ETH at $1850 when BTC was 62k. When BTC goes to 200k and ETH goes to 15k at some point in the future, the investment will have made a few to several bagger on the big market cap coins.

Detailed23

All these stocks will either pump or dump depending how week goes. MM will not let weekly calls finish green. Everyone shorted the market and now its pumping. It will be green next week so everyone will buy calls then it will dump on Friday. This whole market is manipulated trash.

bestinvestorever

What? They don’t “have to liquidate” ever. There is no liquidation price. The Bitcoin they hold are UNENCUMBERED, meaning they are NOT at the mercy of an MM or liquidation price. FYI. Ignore the FUD.

llamatooths

Bro's got $100MM in assets and shit posting on reddit.

MrSawyer666

Pray to fall more, to 25k. Even if it goes to 1MM at 100k your money will only multiply to 10x. At 25k, 40x!

Busted240

This is a nothing story. This is a 1 branch bank with ~$250MM in assets. Small banks, just like other small businesses, close and open all the time. This branch will be shuttered on Friday and reopened on Monday under a different bank ownership. Nothing to see here.

Davidta

Retire comfortably or F-U money? What do you consider F-U money at today’s purchasing power? $10MM, $25MM, $50MM? At a conservative 3% return those ear you $300k, $750k, and $1.5MM annually. Say F-U starts at $1MM per year in income so $33MM. Say bitcoin hits $300k in ten years as maturity / stability will slow price appreciation as it has been, so 110 btc for F-U money in 10 years. Next years wont be like the old days. If $500k per year works for you than 55 btc. Let’s be less conservative and say BTC will double each halving going forward, with some pull backs etc, so if it’s $400k then 82.5 btc to earn that $1mm in income at 3% or 42 btc to earn $500k. So 0.1 btc or $40k might pay for an entry level new car by that point, might not at the rate cars are increasing in price. If you live on a btc standard and assume it is a hedge against inflation f-u money in btc then is still pretty much f-u money in btc now.

Life-Republic2311

Bro.. just DCA in.. imagine being the guy nickel and diming BTC at 90k.. and then it hits 250k or 1MM.. the fundamentals haven’t changed.. who cares buy the dip

DeoVeritati

I think I need $2MM to retire. I'm going to speculate that $300k within 5 years is feasible and maybe $500k in 10 years. So somewhere between 4-6 would be my guess.

doyzer9

Yes it does make perfect sense to use multiple wallets like this. I know MetaMask is pretty good, but having your seed phrase stored by the software and technically online is the biggest risk for all hot wallets. Not only can the software be hacked, injected, or exposed by malware or rat hacks, anyone with access to your device, "could" move your funds. For small amounts MM is great, as is a burner wallet, however for holding any large amounts, get a hardware wallet (ledger, Trezor, etc) a NFC card wallet (Tangem) or for ultimate safe storage use a cold wallet/paper wallet.. Hot wallets are being hacked every day, just don't take the risk. Stay safe. 🤞🤞🤞

Initial-Sherbert877

this is actually smart. I keep my main stack in MM but alicebob for quick swaps is way easier

inveysible

I mean, yeah I keep my stuff in MM but swap on alicebob, too. Just more convenient and cheaper tbh

turick

Listen to the latest What Bitcoin Did episode with Michael Saylor. I find him pretty cringe with the way he talks to Danny, but he makes good points about timeliness and expectations surrounding adoption times for technology. He went into pretty good detail about electricity and how long that adoption took (30 years?)... for people to embrace the most important advancement of our society. Bitcoin is insanely complicated. Most people dont understand money at all... Not just how it's created today, but where it came from and it's history. This is gonna take some time. Adoption WILL continue to grow. Can't be demoralized about OGs who have but their fingertips off for the past 17 years, sitting on hundreds or thousands of Bitcoin. Of course they're gonna sell. In another 15 years, whole coiners are going to be dumping millions of sats at a time, and people are gonna freak out asking why are these guys selling when bitcoin is being totally stagnant at £10MM a coin. You need to lean into the fundamentals. It's sound money and it's absolutely scarce. Quantum is FUD. Wait for a rip to $250k and you'll be laughing off all these doubts.

chanmalichanheyhey

nah OP, when the MM pumps the market a bit, normies will flow right back in. this is why they will remain normie.

kBajina

Trump up 800MM due to crypto scams

soks86

There are $46MM worth of BTC mined per day (100k price). There are $46,000MM worth of BTC traded per day. I don't think 0.05% less supply will affect the price much, but, maybe. To be clear that's .0005 of a whole.

malakiasmo

MM are leaving crypto bill to Blind the fools from Investing in assets that generate money like gold,silver,energy and stocks. A whole year of manipulation to kick the poor and gamblers out of the business…Dark times ahead! I can’t even break even after DCA on crypto for a whole year, so imagine how trash this is!

BlightedErgot32

trillion … yknow like 10.0MM, 10.0B, 10.0T

DrConnors

I meant aside from his 1MM coin, he likely kept mining at the very least and didn't just completely abandon the entire thing.

generationhex

They say this but the more likely explanation is that MM's got killed for years only to wait for a market in 2025 that was manipulated every single quarter for billions of dollars, all while sailing into a future where chaos reigns and every billionaire within earshot is screaming there is a recession on their doorstep and they are freezing hiring. Not a great time to have your dollars balancing a crypto for return percentage that is illiquid. Game theory is the real explanation. The markets performed as they should.

DeepImpactDan44

honestly Trust Wallet has been my go to for hot storage on Android. supports basically everything, links with hardware wallets fine, never had the phantom/MM issues you're describing

Mattie_Kadlec

There are prepaid cards where you can deposit small amounts. There are also card providers which allow you to pay using your self-custody wallets but funds only get sent to the card with your approval, just like you do with MM or other web3 wallets

jcoopjr700

One thing I’d add from experience: even the best market makers underperform if the project’s narrative, community, and launch timing aren’t aligned. For DEX launches I’ve seen work well in 2025–2026, teams paired strong MMs with solid go-to-market support from Web3-native partners like Chainbull, who help coordinate liquidity strategy, comms, and community expectations alongside the MM. That combo usually leads to healthier depth and more sustainable volume post-launch.

SimilarBuffalo6421

Yeah, $25MM cash and/or $20k weekly would create more pause. Otherwise, the 200BTC is the only answer.

invest-man

Look at low risk strategies, LP, MM… earkpark has a choice

GettingFasterDude

Nice. Looks like a good plan. If the divided continues to pay out and the stock price stays $100 +/-5% over the next few months, I don't think I'll be able to resist shifting from 70/30 (MM/STRC) to 60/40 or even 50/50. I don't have any IBIT yet, but currently daily DCA spot bitcoin on River.

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DonkeyAsleep7884

The MM card seems really good

b1mm3rl1f3

A $500 $BMNR share price @ $22k ETH is insane. Extreme bull scenario: a $5000 BMNR/share @ $250k ETH. Yes I know, but 200 shares (\~$6k today) could potentially be worth $100k-$1MM

OrdinaryReasonable63

This is only the notional value of the positions, but in reality leveraged traders are only putting up a fraction of that. Retail dummies are often putting up bets at greater than 10x leverage so if assuming that's the average leverage ratio MM's and exchanges are collecting \~20 million on such a move. The rest is cash that gets moved back and forth between the exchange and trader accounts as old positions close and new positions open.

PM_ME_YOUR_3RDNIPPLE

I'm curious what the expected energy cost has been to do this mining and how it compares to the overall total? I'm confident energy cost isn't $375MM+ but I'd guess it's pretty damn high. Anyone want to do the math for me?

Gotglo

Wrong crypto was being suppressed this whole time due to liquidity conditions and manipulation from MM. I suspect the big banks and institutions that you see headlines about accepting bitcoin products now,(JP Morgan…Vanguard etc) they been positioned since the end of last cycle and they fooled everyone acting like they didnt want to embrace crypto to get lower position. They cant be us becoming the new financial system so they have to just us, however they still want a piece of the pie which is control over the money markets because thats how banks make their money. Now we have a situation where it is not a retail only cycle, it’s institutional, banks, businesses and sovereign wealth funds + retail that will run cycles going forward. No blow off top and euphoria = a more shallow and quick “bear market.” Also i dont know why there’s this whole stigma of the bear market crashing BTC down to 20-30k like people saying. I wonder if people know the “bear market” is basically people selling and taking profits. BTC only went down from 126k to 80k low because the “4 year cyclists took profits”. We can absolutely still go a lil lower but for dummies to think bitcoin is ever going back below 60-70k is delusional. The institutions and big money is our support levels now and sadly i believe they control the narrative now. They are waiting for clarity and liquidity conditions to push price up and then finally take their profits when retail FOMO back in after thinking there will be a brutal and long bear market.

xcommon

I get this is going to get panned, but I'd like to add some food for thought: $1MM BTC meant parity between pennies and satoshis. Psychologically, the average person would be much more likely to adopt if/when they can think in terms of satoshis, and if people can think of 100 sats as being roughly $1, there will be a wave of mainstream adoption. Or maybe not, what the fuck do I know.

devCheckingIn

I saw a YT video yesterday where Wes (Smart Money) was showing that Wintermute has been shorting the market the past few months and has made a killing. Shorting just about every asset. So there's one MM that's been busy. Also Fasanara Capital and Galaxy Digital have made hundreds of millions shorting since early October. It's like Big Money decided the bull market was over and it was time to make money by triggering the bear.

Mariahausfrau

I have my vault public address and 12 word seed phrase. Am i screwed if i dont move my moons to MetaMask before 1.1.2026 ? I just cant get my MM to accept any ETH payments for fees for transfer. Isnt there anymore any ways to get gasfees to transfer? Sorry to say but im just too confused for all this as im not too much in tech. Hopefully someday crypto gets even a bit easier to maintain big masses to use it. Aint it now🤣🤣🤣😤

steelchairframe

Ummm BTC is volatile. That 50B could be 25B in a year. No one knows. And they still have 800MM to pay out per year for preferred stock payments.

ReliantToker

Why you think MM amd smart money got sentiment in the sheit rn? Reddit whines while they slowly accumulate at low prices, spreading the buy to keep price down. By the time the whiners decide they were wrong and/or could probably make a quick buck, they sheit on them again. The cycle continues.

zepoid

I have a ton of criticism for BTC. But your argument that gold needs "actual physical work" can also be said about BTC in the form of physical electricity production while it's being _mined_ (which is also why the term is used used for both). About that criticism: Using as much power as it does for that mining is asinine. And it eventually comes to an end at 21MM. Then what...?

Unknown-714

My biggest concern, if BTC is at 1.4MM what are other things priced at?

Visual_Ad3804

Never put a dime in crypto and MM CEX’s DEX’s influencers are all crooks!

ReliantToker

Yes but the more people buying etf and leaving coins on exchange is increasing the paper supply. NOT YOUR KEYS NOT YOUR COINS. The more paper supply the MM has access to the more manipulation is available. LEARN TO SELF CUSTODY YOUR BITCOIN.

Patient-Bumblebee

Ok so thats great, but what about spreads? Are you using market orders? And if not, can you get your limit orders filled without the MM's running over you? Those are questions any prospective daytrader should be asking themselves prior to doing any kind of non-simulated trading.

b1mm3rl1f3

Wrong, CZ expects BTC to surge to $500k-$1MM during the current cycle. You're quoting Bernstein analysts. [https://thecryptobasic.com/2025/12/09/binance-founder-cz-says-bitcoin-could-be-entering-a-supercycle/](https://thecryptobasic.com/2025/12/09/binance-founder-cz-says-bitcoin-could-be-entering-a-supercycle/) "Geoff Kendrick at **Standard Chartered** and Gautam Chhugani at **Bernstein** expect Bitcoin to hit $150,000 in 2026. Both forecasts are downward revisions from their previous estimates, reflecting a more difficult market environment, but they still imply 74% upside from the current price of $86,000. However, Standard Chartered and Bernstein see more robust gains in the future. Kendrick estimates Bitcoin will hit $500,000 by 2030 (implying 480% upside), and Chhugani expects the coin to hit $1 million by 2033 (implying 1,060% upside)." [https://www.aol.com/finance/bitcoin-doing-something-last-seen-091500098.html](https://www.aol.com/finance/bitcoin-doing-something-last-seen-091500098.html) Also, "Motley Fool experts believe Bitcoin might reach $150,000 by early 2026" The predictions vary widely, but Q1 or Q4 makes no difference to me 😉

FOMOmeterCrypto

https://preview.redd.it/udu2ajcxrz7g1.png?width=5112&format=png&auto=webp&s=a86dccd6ba5431c5c719a04087a05f8ead945903 The market is manipulative, and you’re right to watch MM wallets. They do impact price, but on chain can be spoofed too. split across wallets, routed through intermediaries, made to look like “smart money”. There are plenty of cases where the “whale wallets” everyone followed ended up getting wiped right along with the crowd, because people were just copying what looked obvious. So whatever you’re seeing, thousands of others are probably seeing it too. Be careful. In this market you don’t outplay MMs or politics. Retail as a crowd usually loses. That’s why it matters more to track what the crowd feels and does, then make your own calls. Right now sentiment has been in the red zone for 30 days, and on our Global Timeline you can see that red stretch running for almost 3 months. In this mood it’s apathy, selling, and zero appetite to buy core.

FOMOmeterCrypto

Binance isn’t just an exchange, it’s basically the biggest MM hub by influence. Liquidity, leverage, funding, listings, flow. That’s the game. Any CZ headline and price twitches cuz perps + liq cascade Couple tweets basically killed FTX. Couple moves and you get the biggest liquidation event in ages like Oct. So what “death” are we even talking about. Until liquidity actually leaves and the book dries up, Binance isn’t dying, it’s the switch the whole market reacts to

ghostchihuahua

Yes, look at how ETF’s are abused since they exist for instance - bitcoin-filled ETF’s effectively give MM’s the ability to exert sole leverage on the price, ETF’s are also famous for allowing to hide synthetics fwiw, whether the latter can apply to bitcoin is a tad past my understanding - it shouldn’t be possible bc blockchain, right?

PapiMak

MM’s deserve days like this.

Xajneb

It's not manipulation. 75% of trading activity is leveraged derivatives. = Liquidations. The direction of over excited volatility is not that everyone decided now the news is this and that, but it is all about a cascading effect of forced liquidations, positions being killed because they have lost the bet. And when that happens, the liquidation is immediately dumped into the very low volume orderbook, (because like I said, almost no spot activity), and the price then dumps or pumps unnaturally fast, then triggering the next liquidation and so on. Until all the positions in the near vicinity are obliterated. A MM (market maker) doesn't have to push much at all to force the liquidations to sell on top of the next dying long who then dumps on the next one etc. Manipulation is more so the macro, that bitcoin is ONLY 87k, that is the real manipulation, and people are in extreme fear, dumping their long term goals at loss or even. The manipulation that is happening is price suppression.

Breakingkittys

mmm mmm MM!

frankyp01

Honestly the colloquialism has changed over time. When the average house cost like 120k, a “millionaire” as commonly applied was someone with 1MM in total assets. With the average home price hovering around 520K and much higher if you live near a major city, people tend to use millionaire to mean people with 1M income or at least the ability to drop 1M without taking a 30 year loan.

turbo_bibine

Long and short getting eaten by MM because spot buy arent there to sustain the price

thupkt

Cue the Steve Austen $6MM man theme music

ghostchihuahua

It’s more the volatility of the geopolitical side of things that scares markets though, that, and the fact that things just seemed to go infinitely well before shit started hitting the fan and people started talking about MM’s not being in great shape for some, hedgies slowly heading to being revealed as unable to cover their short positions etc., i mean the whole one-incident-after-another vibe is clearly there for >5y and people, rightfully so, are scared. I won’t even go over to generalized blind-eye for white-collar crime in many western countries.

Ping0u

Waiting for the MM200 bud

fCorruption

I think it’s just MM making profits off of retail. Leading up to each FOMC meeting Bitcoin would shoot up a couple of points, then after Jerome Powell speaks btc would until dip until week’s end

arBettor

Roth IRA though? Disproportionately benefits lower income earners. Can withdraw contributions penalty & tax free after 5 years. Can choose your own investments and control your own fees. Even a 401k, despite its limitations, has some major strengths like incentives for employer contributions/matching. I'm not sure how a 14MM market cap meme token is in any position to criticize either of those structures that have helped millions save and growth their wealth. That meme will be dead long before I retire.

RoutinePrice446

Yes, but that's not why things are moving today. That's been priced in for weeks. Something else is happening behind the scenes. It could be typical trader/MM games, could be something else. We shall see.

EnThEndGME

I always find it entertaining to see the downvote effort on the MOON update discussions. It appears some entity doesn't like the project because the supply is controlled by the community. Hello Mr. MM .... "*Moons is still a thing*?"

LEAP-er

You’re probably right. Top 5-10 most visited globally. EU crats cared enough of the tune of $140MM. Ya sure…no one cares.

Aerocryptic

There's a crazy disparity in the spot order books between Coinbase and Binance. One MM is buying when the other is selling

rlilly78602

There's no doubt it'll hit $1MM. I wonder if it will be in my lifetime.....

yunghogungho

I think Bitcoin to $1MM over the next 6-10 years is fairly obvious as of now. If you're a 10x away from retirement, I imagine this will work out

VariatCA

The fact that shorts are still heavily piling-on and doubling down in the face of this bounce is just additional incentive and fuel for the fire for MM's to chase down and liquidate.

RealTimeFactCheck

He's getting downvoted because his math isn't mathing. The percentage gain will be the same whether you have $5 invested or $5MM invested. He's implying that if you have a small amount invested, like $5, then your gain will be very small --- but expressing the gain as a percentage is not a good way to express it, because the percentage gain is the same no matter the investment size. His point would have been better made by saying, if I gave you $5 and it goes up 10x, you've only got $50 which isn't going to be meaningful Also probably got some downvotes for the complete fumble of grammar: "sure is your better, yes." Wtf does that mean? Between the grammar police and the math police, I can understand the downvotes :)

potificate

Looks like the news report was re-edited. Now says only 5 MM

002_timmy

Different wallet clients have different UX/UIs and different features. Like for me, I do a lot of DeFi and have found Rabby to be the best at tracking my DeFi positions. Metamask is lacking for DeFi. Therefore, I use Rabby over MM. This is just one example, but hopefully it demonstrates why people prefer different wallets.

Consistent_Panda5891

Wrong. Max BTC value within 10Y is 270-330K value based on GOLD market cap. BTC never will have more than 5/10 its market cap. What makes most sense for MM is dump it max they can to profit both downside and also upside. I might not know much about crypto but yes short selling. Experience with the most shorted stock, smci. And BTC doesn't has any protection against short selling such as keeping around x80 amount you short sell in cash or other assets reserved for covering shorts which law uses to avoid massively short selling on stocks. Expect some relief rallies during downside of up to 15K but won't last much

fairlyaveragetrader

It's always a mixed bag on YouTube but I would only follow people who are profitable. Short list is MM crypto, krown, aaron dishner. But, and this is the giant but. These guys aren't going to tell you every single move they make, they are subject to being wrong. They all have a lot of losing trades. If you watch any of this stuff it has to be for general ideas, but you have to have your own plan in place. Here's where I'm going to add, here's where I'm going to sell, here's what I'm going to have for a no-touch stack for the next 10 years. The general narrative in crypto you have channels like altcoin daily and Paul Baron and so on and so forth. These are just, crypto banter is another one, anyway they are just promotion channels for the most part. You have to look at them like watching narrative news. It's like Fox News for crypto. You get little shreds and pieces of actual fact but for the most part it's narrative and opinion. They also typically are always encouraging people to buy and that's not really is nefarious as it sounds. It's that people like to watch good news and they are in the business of promoting their channel and getting views.

zowhix

Usually in the context of a conversation such as this, statements like "pure manipulation to liquidate retail" are being thrown around. Then the same people might state things like "retail does not have even remotely enough capital to be able to meaningfully affect the markets". Seems unintuitive for institutions to hunt down retail if they have nothing to offer, while taking a risk in doing so. Obviously market makers are businesses that have an objective to make money, just like everybody else. But it's not like they know what is going to happen in the future for certain. They have their own models that might utilize volatility and volatility surface models, cross-asset relationships, order-flow patterns, macro or whatever else that specific MM has deems as relevant information. Off of that they make an estimation on fair price based on which they adjust bid/ask spreads, option pricing etc. But they can be wrong just like everybody else. If retail is uninformed enough to consistently trade negative EV products against professionals, then yes, your expected returns are negative. But the intent of MM's is not to purposefully put retail down by crashing markets or whatever bs people spew. Retail does a lot of poorly calculated, very high-risk bets for short-term time horizons, at which MM's excel. The more you broaden the scope, the less accurate MM's estimations are regarding the future. If anything, it's just a self balancing act of millions of algorithms estimating short-term markets, resulting in a dynamic environment over varying time horizons. In crypto, they probably need to do half as much, since crypto seems to attract the most degenerate people in the world of finance. TLDR; Most of retail is still financially illiterate and have somewhat limited reasoning, leading to awful decisions, poor risk-management and playing the victim card.

b1mm3rl1f3

F&G at 6, WORSE than covid19 or FTX. BTC down -36% from ATH with 3D RSI lowest since 2022 at $18K BTC. I'm no Grant Cardone but MM just gave me the greatest gift of all this holiday season

steuer2teuer

I think i can answer this. I'm not a whale but i am an OG that sold most of his stack a couple of weeks ago after hodling for more than 10 years without profit taking. For me it's definitely locking in profit, i've held through multiple bull/bear cycles and i didn't want to go through that again the same way. Now, the question is why i did it now and didn't do it before: i think it's because i do feel a bit different about Bitcoin's future as i did previously. Previously, we had the ETF launch and Wall Street's entrance to look forward to. Now it's here but it hasn't resulted in major gains, as a matter of fact this bull run is the weakest one in Bitcoin's history. This shakes the fundamental expectation what Bitcoin's price potential is. We (or atleast i) thought it had 500k-1MM dollar potential in the near future but the realisation has set in, thanks to this bull run, that each bull run actually gets weaker and weaker to the point where we cannot reach these expected values in any short- to medium term. Now i see narratives of "why should i hold this high risk asset if it doesn't give the high potential rewards?" and i am worried that this becomes the mainstream opinion. It is the first that that we are in the situation that Bitcoin doesn't offer major rewards for it's high risk. Bitcoin the network has not changed. Bitcoin as censorship resistant scarce digital value and internet money hasn't changed. It's price potential in the short- to medium term future has changed in the eyes of many people, which has consequences for the future.

user_name_checks_out

I wrote "$1MM is a piss in the ocean" in response to [this](https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1p18cwz/how_to_cash_out_a_large_amount_of_bitcoin/npoe9pg/): > you won’t crash the market

user_name_checks_out

> Maybe but Kraken say they'll do OTC for $50k+ Two different questions: 1) What is Kraken's minimum for an OTC 2) Will $1MM move the market The answer to question #2 is no.

user_name_checks_out

It's called an OTC trade, and $1MM is a piss in the ocean.

panthera_N

Perhaps most people lose when fighting wits with MM, not only do they have headaches, but they also lose money.

MarioWilson122

> I'm not talking about those predictions though. Many made ones way lower then that like around 200k or maybe 20-30 away from it. So basically 50-70k higher. People do make all types of predictions though. Anyway BTC has had major corrections even in prior bull runs its just that people forget over time when it does. Just like people will likely forget this one in 4 years. They likely wont forget alts not doing anything if they don't at all. Which is why I think MM and exchanges will try to create one from thin air if really needed. Anyway the only thing that is looking bad is the fact that it is in q4 looking so bad. Of course hasn't reached the levels most predicted this cycle, which was around the 200k area. No doubt that the alts performance has taking a lot of hope away as well, since a lot of them are performing really bad and have all cycle long. So that has drained a lot of hope out even though there is still a chance. > This is why I think MM and exchanges try to spin one up if at all possible. They have the funds to do it, especially as a unit but there's just no telling if they will. I feel like for their business model there needs to be one to really get the trillions flowing. We will see how the quantitative easing works out, sometimes that has got money flowing from what I hear. Also the if the tariff checks go thorough that will be something else. So there are still things on the books that will make something possible. Also next year a new fed chair will be coming in. One that is more favorable to trump wanting big cuts. So they can hype that up in about 3 or 4 months, to get the market moving as well. So still a few plays left in the book for sure. Like I said before, we will have to wait and see.

MarioWilson122

>Yes but that's the thing: it did perform in alignment and accordance with the diminishing returns. That was the data part. Peoples' expectations are detached from reality often times, 500K bitcoin was never realistic in 2025. It was based on hopium, not data. Sucks hard that money didn't rotate into alts, that knocked most of us off tbh. I kinda hope the alt season would still come, but the truth is it is not coming. When BTC is falling like this, the whole market keeps falling. There is no rotation happening, just equal capital bleeding across the whole market. There is also no buyers left for alts. The retail narrative is dead, the 4th year ending narrative is strong. Media doesn't attract new liquidity. Institutions can try recreationally make alt season, but for who? Other institutions? They won't take that bait. There will be no parabolic phase as there are not enough buyers for that. At best, it will be small dead cat bounce as mentioned earlier in this thread. Im not talking about those predictions though. Many made ones way lower then that like around 200k or maybe 20-30 away from it. So basically 50-70k higher. People do make all types of predictions though. Anyway BTC has had major corrections even in prior bull runs its just that people forget over time when it does. Just like people will likely forget this one in 4 years. They likely wont forget alts not doing anything if they don't at all. Which is why I think MM and exchanges will try to create one from thin air if really needed. Anyway the only thing that is looking bad is the fact that it is in q4 looking so bad. So that has drained a lot of hope out even still there is still a chance. >**And you are right on quite few not participating the next run.** This is what I have been saying also that an alt season would have been extremely important for this run, for this reason. The shirt price action for alts destroyed a lot of investors, and they are not coming back anymore. Some of them will, but many of them will buy only bitcoin. This as a whole is also one reasons why alts will suffer massively in the starting bear, and we will likely see record low drops for a lot of projects. The projects that will survive (regain price action next bull), will likely make some really great gains though, as there's a lot more room for upswing. This is why I think MM and exchanges try to spin one up if at all possible. They have the funds to do it especially as a unit but there's just no telling if they will. I feel like for their business model there needs to be one to really get the trillions flowing. We will see how the quantitative easing works out, sometimes that has got money flowing from what I hear. Also the if the tariff checks go thorough that iwll be something else. So there are still things on the books that will make something possible. Also next year a new fed chair will be coming in. One that is more favorable to trump wanting big cuts. So they can hype that up in about 3 or 4 months, to get the market moving as well. So still a few plays left in the book for sure. Like I said before, we will have to wait and see.

LeKac_Red4Life

I don't believe so..its being crushed by MM imo

1_BigPapi

MM recovering from 10/10 still 

VariatCA

Aside from MM's working on the weekend to try to choke a metric ton of short liquidity when the volume is low? Hard to guess what kind of economically-optimistic news could sway the markets this weekend to jump 5% before Monday's open.

No-Lingonberry6473

Please do. For the benefit of everyone on this sub - how long have you been hodling and what does $1MM in bitcoin represent as a percentage of your investments?

namieorange

Will anyone come back after this fiasco? I see only BTC holders, a few ETF and a bunch of gamblers coming back. Why buy or trade anything else? If MM and exchanges wanted to kill their business, they did it fantastically

Accidental_Ballyhoo

yep, good old MM

MarioWilson122

Yeah that sounds about right, of course nothing wrong with being hopeful but this year was really bad for crypto for sure. Doesn't seem like MM want to see it succeed to much anyway. Every time it looks to show life they make sure to drain it right back out. So likely not much can really push this back up. Whether we get the cut or not next month probably wont do to much for this situation.

Xray_Mind

Crypto is the easiest target ever for MM. the only market with absolute morons that lack basic understanding of leverage with absolute gambler mentalities

Consistent_Panda5891

If it sinks under 60K it might go to 20 because why not, there is not short selling restrictions on crypto alike stocks. If MM is naked short they will milk till last $. Honestly I would not own this coin for such low reward multiple and high downside multiple.

VariatCA

Still chillin' and still buying more BTC at this level. Mornings like todays, and frankly the price action of the entire last month, highlight how strongly MM's are trying to suppress the price and aggressively hunt any liquidity they can. While the stock market is still pushing forwards and the Fed is wrapping up QT and further loosening monetary policy, we'll look back at moments like these as entry points we wish we'd taken advantage of. This entire year has been one long lesson on BTC's resiliency and how momentum can shift in a heartbeat. Every new all-time high this year also came with 10-15% downturns or more right before the next run-up.

A1JX52rentner

>It does not take more capital to move bitcoins price. Bitcoin is priced at the margin. It literally just takes 1 buyer at 1MM and next to no sellers at that price. When you think you understood market cap but you suffer from dunnning kruger.