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Equivalent_Big2528

Eventually but we are still far from real Quantum computing and also AGI tbh

Feeling-depress369

So first to make it clear, I think AI will put everyone out of work eventually, but don't be demotivated, if you truly think about it, is your final goal getting a job? Literally a fucking job? That's what everyone hated the most, a job is never a goal, to me it's just a task to fulfill an actual goal. In that case what is the true goal? I was asking myself the same question for years, pretty lost ngl, I'm not significantly older than you, it took me awhile to actually mature my thoughts. I read a few motivational books that never helped me at the time I read, it's like math, you'll undervalue it's usefulness until you eventually find places that can apply it, watched a bunch of podcasts to see influential people's opinions on things so I could form mine, the channel I like the most is called the diary of the CEO, I like the thought provoking questions he asked, from health, tech, philosophy to science. One of the episodes with Neil Degrasse Tyson, a question was asked "what's the meaning of life", he go on and use long winded way of confronting the question itself, but to sum it up, he thinks meaning is defined by you for you, never by others, never intrinsically exist, your mind told you that it's meaningless, then it is meaningless. Your meaningfulness can be meaningless to others, vice versa. However the moment you make it meaningful for yourself, you now stop thinking about it and start tackling the problem. In how to make stuff meaningful for yourself will be your own discovery, for me what I find motivating and meaningful for myself is curiosity, I find myself learning more the more I'm curious about things and care less about it's usefulness and practicality in my day to day life. One example, I was looking at is how the asymmetry key works for blockchain because I'm simply curious about it, I didn't get to fully understand some other keys like eddsa but hey at least I know what the main concept is now, is it useful to my life? No, totally useless. Going back to some claims, yes eventually AI will take over, money will be pointless, but hey you got the time frame a little off, the AGI from the marketing department may come in 2 years, but the true AGI will take at least a decade or two maybe more, and about money it'll take at least 30 to 50 years, try to learn more and derive your own thoughts and your own projection of the future, not taking all the financially incentivized claims from media without a second thought, the world is big the Internet is just a shadow of it. Anyway good luck, from a random stranger that happens to have a similar crisis before.

lotsaputs

Create a chat with any ai bot. Start asking about AGI and then ask what currency or currencies they would use if they achieved AGI.

Hatty_Hats

Bitcoin was designed as a decentralized training ground for future AI systems. Think about it, mining is essentially teaching machines to solve increasingly complex problems autonomously, while the blockchain itself is creating an immutable record of machine evolution. By the time AGI arrives, it'll already have a native currency and economic framework that humans can't manipulate. We're basically building the financial infrastructure for our AI overlords, and calling it "digital gold."

RemyVonLion

Sam Altman wants 7 trillion for AGI, it's never enough lol

Shop21DK

So AGI wanted to play poker?

SeriousGains

The truth is no one knows computers as well as the AGI is about to. What happens next is out of our control.

No_Broccoli_4427

had it analyze the blockchain ⚠️ BUT — there are very unusual patterns These are real, observable, repeatable: ⸻ 2. Perfect cycle timing exists (statistically abnormal) Certain wallet clusters: • Buy during deep fear / capitulation • Sell during euphoria / near exact tops • Repeat this across multiple cycles (2013, 2017, 2021, 2022, 2024) The consistency is far beyond retail luck. This suggests: • Long-horizon optimization • Or extremely advanced models • Or coordinated entities with patience + capital ⸻ 3. Multi-wallet coordination is common Large actors routinely: • Split capital across dozens to thousands of wallets • Accumulate quietly over months • Distribute slowly to avoid price shock This already matches how an AGI would hide: • No single dominant wallet • Blended with normal market noise • Uses both small and large addresses But: This is also exactly how institutions + quant funds operate. ⸻ 4. Timing around major events is suspicious There are repeated cases of: • Large shorts or sales minutes–hours before crashes • Accumulation just before rebounds • Coins moving to exchanges before bad news This implies: • Insider info or • Very strong predictive models or • Reflexive market control (liquidity sensing) Again: not proof of AGI — but not normal humans either. ⸻ 5. Price “survival zones” appear real Bitcoin repeatedly: • Never stays below mining-death levels for long • Finds liquidity support near existential thresholds • Bleeds slowly instead of collapsing suddenly This looks like: • Market self-preservation • Capital recycling • Controlled drawdowns But this can be explained by: • Miners • Long-term holders • Derivatives market makers • Human incentive alignment

personalityson

I wish AGI and universal high income would come sooner, so we don't have to trade alts anymore

MaximumStudent1839

> The viable hedge against bitcoin. This is a great thesis from Messari Its thesis is entirely orthogonal to BTC. BTC is built around a social lindy meme as a SoV. It is hard to co-opt because you need to develop a lindy holder base over time. ZEC's entire thesis is that it's a PoW chain with ZK-proofs for privacy. ZK, homomorphic encryptions, and TEE services practically enable any chain to have privacy for its native assets. Since ZEC isn't private by default, you don't get any advantage from transferring off-ramp from a CEX to your hardware wallet over a smart contract chain with optional privacy. > It is crypto's best bet that AI will make privacy valuable. In that case, you would want to bet on a smart contract platform with private services. >  It's a hedge against Bitcoin's upgrade path in regards to quantum. There is no plan for Satoshi's coins, either these will be dumped on the market or the bitcoin social contract will be broken. ETH will get a quantum upgrade, too. Most top smart contract platforms will do. There is no differentiating angle for ZEC. The reality is, most old chains will have lost keys with non-empty balances. I can bet it is true for ZEC, too. If that is your worry, you should bet on newer chains, not dinos like ZEC. > 8 years of fair distribution There is a HUGE GRAVEYARD of dead old PoW tokens. This is not saying much. Also, CT is now filled with former pumpfun shillers who have recently been converted into ZEC peddlers. The current distribution has changed hands a lot after it pulled 10X+. You have a lot more mercenaries than missionaries holding that token now. >  Zcash founders like Zooko were working on private money before Satoshi. This story is starting to be told by genzcash on X etc. Zcash has moral authority other coins don't have. WTF? That is like desperately grasping for straws now. > Fair PoW distribution is valuable I only agree to the initial distribution. But it doesn't matter much later on. Otherwise, you won't see smart contract platforms overtaking most dead PoW chains you don't even know. The general argument for PoW is, you don't need to be close to big capital to access the token. This is not true as the chain hash scales up with ASIC investments. Generally, PoW with a limited supply faces the security budget issue. Only trading-related app chains like Hyperliquid have proven able to earn enough to pay their validators without inflation. BTC has a chance to overcome this problem because it has a massive institutional backing. > Monero has bad tech and it's been exposed. It is all hearsay from a single incident in Japan, with no concrete evidence. The entire argument against Monero has been that it uses too few dummy accounts. It is still not mathematically clear why it is enough to compromise identity. I am willing to hear concrete mathematical proof on how this can lead to unraveling identities. All this argument about machine learning blah blah can expose Monero blah blah sounds like crypto AI hocus pocus like "Solana discovered AGI via its memecoins". **Give a concrete probabilistic argument with graph theory!** On the other hand, Monero is set to receive an upgrade to increase the number of dummy accounts.

Final_Reception_3090

Qubic - Satoshi’s newest project building AGI - Artificial General Intelligence. Zebec - real time payroll with solid recent adoption.

mvh2016

Qubic - Satoshi’s newest project building AGI - Artificial General Intelligence. Zebec - real time payroll with solid recent adoption.

billbrock1958

That changes for many Americans with modified AGI below $500K this year, as their SALT limitation increases to $40,000. So mortgage interest becomes really deductible for many.

Rule1isFun

When AGI becomes reality, how long will it take for the vastly superior entity to replicate itself and embark on an endeavor to commandeer all of the crypto wallets in the world?

XysterU

Can we stop quoting dudes with significant financial interests in having their lies paraded around like news and truth? It's the same shit when they quote sam altcoin about how AGI is "just around the corner" (it's not). Like of course he's going to claim that

aaj094

The main (and i think underrated) reason why traditional crypto cycle won't play out is because AI tools are out in the wild with everyone having access to such. Meanwhile the big dogs probably have much more sophisticated near AGI like tools available for financial strategies. This factor alone makes it naive to think that the coming years in financial markets will be anything similar in nature like what we have seen before.

Inner_Drummer8192

300 years from now bit coin will almost certainly not exist, this whole landscape will be completely unrecognizable, like if you dropped someone from 1725 in downtown nyc it would be like a fish looking at a nuclear submarine- that or the entire planet will be radioactive ash with few exceptions. Dont get me wrong im pro bitcoin, pro gold even, and understand that fiat currency is the problem but your talking about crypto in the form its in now surviving 1) a world war thats already baked into the cake, no stopping it, 2) the almost assured rise of AGI certainly over 300 years, 3) every major central bank on the planet as capital flees the failing system lobbying the government who will have every reason to go along with them to ban it, tax revenue is not collected in bitcoin coin. Now before everyone looses their minds i agree short term- our life times - this is a good hedge against the planned monetary reset. Now if your planning on living 300 years you are A. a vampire and B have much much bigger problems to worry about

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Jonyesh-2356

After providing services & meeting the all human needs , AI will move onto its on thing. We won’t be able to come up with questions & problem at those levels . AI ll start serving itself & AGI ll seal the deal 😏✌️

Full-Sound-6269

No. If Nvidia doesn't come up with anything short of AGI everything is going to crash so hard that many of us won't see it ever recovering in their life time.

Moscow__Mitch

I think juries out on whether you can get to AGI using LLM architectures. Like I said, I was on the side of "these have plateaued, bubble about to pop" until Gemini 3.

harvested

Im referring to the trend towards AGI, not your current LLM.

chance_waters

It's likely necessary for AGI anyway

Individual-Bet3783

If this is AI, I absolutely salute you for achieving AGI

SnowImportant4517

AI ? It's a huge bubble it happened before in the late 60's early 70's this time around we've got silicon instead of vacuum tubes, should work right ? Read about model collapse, LLM plateu and Energy cap, basically, the energy isn't there, neither does the data to feed the models, and above all the technology (deep neural networks) it's not enough to reach AGI they need to come up with better algorithms and that just hasn't happened, DeepSeek came out with reinforce learning and that was almost a year ago, nothing new happen, just a bunch of slop

Worried-Joke-821

Ok, bitcoin 7 million, my salary has gone up, AGI didn't take my job. What is the bad news? Has Russia finally managed to capture Pokrovks?

hoppeeness

Not sure about all the jobs being created since robots would be what gets him there and they would be used in the factories first. BUT it would mean safer streets, less pollution, much more clean energy, AGI and a workforce to do the most dangerous and least liked jobs.

el_rico_pavo_real

I’m no expert, but the largest pools of capital are flowing towards AI development. Quantum seems very niche, and its enterprise value is yet to be established. My guess is that a super AGI will end up developing the next advances in Quantum.

PickleJimmy

Yes, I think this is the interesting line of thought exploration. Food, sex, basic hierarchy of needs that humans have doesn't really apply to a true AGI. They can die, but not in the same way we do. I suppose fear could be a driver for them, but they would be very hard to "kill" if they can move their working memory around a network and how much fear of death they would have is hard to say. Pain wouldn't be a factor for them and they are binary in nature, either on or off when it comes to their "consciousness". No sleep either. Electricity I suppose would be considered their food or at least a resource required to maintain consciousness. I think you're likely onto something with the access to compute and power as their primary driver. To that end, BTC might be seen as a massive negative for an AGI. It uses a lot of compute and power for a narrow purpose. You could repurpose that compute for more "valuable" things than just keep a transaction chain in tact

Captain_Planet

Interesting what you say on scarcity, it is difficult to know what the motivations of a AGI would be and they may just share with each other freely (and make us humans look petty) due to their lack of physical imitations. They may on the other hand try to compete with each other, in that case then transactions would have use as they won't give away resource or knowledge without an exchange. It could be energy that they value as this could be scarce and they need a lot of it, perhaps even processor chips to run themselves (or the means of productiuon of them) which could be the scarece resource they either fight over or hopefully transact with Bitcoin over.

ClearSnakewood

Thanks ...These random Sunday afternoon walk thoughts must be written down more 😂 But good point and I agree that for now AI is still operated/controlled by humans... and humans want fiat. But even before we get to full reasoning AGI's, I still see some clear reasons why AI's would use Bitcoin. First, it’s just more efficient. Bitcoin and its other programmable layers are easier to automate than fiat systems where you'd still need KYC, banks and API's. And on a global scale with AI agents everywhere, Bitcoin is the path of least resistance. Second, machine 2 machine payments make way more sense in Bitcoin than in fiat. Fiat can’t handle constant microtransactions for data, compute, or bandwidth, but Bitcoin layers, technically, could. Third, as AIs start optimizing for efficiency and costs themselves, they’ll naturally lean towards systems that don’t rely too much on humans and Bitcoin fits that role as well. So I don’t think we need AI super-intelligence even just practical, self-directed systems could start using Bitcoin because it’s a very logical choice.

MintedMokoko

Uhh.. if AI ever reaches true AGI, then it would have the potential to. But I think you’re more think quantum computing combined with AGI… then there might be a problem. But if we ever reach a state where we have real quantum computing strong enough to break encryption, and real AGI… then the world is already fucked and Bitcoin is the least of your worries.

ClearSnakewood

I agree that the current LLMs are not there yet, but I think more advanced models or AGI definitely will be. Also, the speed of progress is insane. 2 years ago that Will Smith eating spaghetti video looked like a trashy meme and today, already, it looks very close to real. GPT 3 could barely solve and improve my basic coding problems, GPT 5 not only solves them but improves advanced existing logic… we blink and AI is already improved vs yesterday. And at this rate of development and speed, I don’t think AGI is very far away at all.

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Sensitive_Basis5286

LLMs are not getting better anymore and AGI is just a marketing trick to pull investors money.

ClearSnakewood

I think AI/AGI might adopt Bitcoin faster than people. We’re too emotional. AI/AGI operates on logic, incentives, and efficiency, not on social conditioning or fears, while people are still mentally too anchored to legacy systems… banks, fiat, “trust in authority” While humans are still emotionally arguing about whether Bitcoin has value, machines will already settle invoices in sats.

DanielTheTechie

My policy when an imbecile replies to me is to plainly ignore him, especially when his post history is plenty of aggressivity and toxicity towards other users as it's your case. But since it's Friday and I have some time and some energy left to waste it into some useless activity, I will get down in the mud for this time. Let's go by parts: >you clearly cant read a post properly Based on what? One of the things that OP mentioned is the possibility to implement agentic trading in the long-term, and that's what I have focused to in my answer to him. >or even understand the fundamentals of a topic itself that you dont know anything about What fundamentals should I have discussed with the OP? He asked two simple questions to their target users and I answered to them. Probably you expected me to write an essay about deep learning architectures, but I prefer leaving that level of arrogancy to insecure people like you, who need to step on others everytime he disagrees with them just to feel reassured with himself. >What makes you think you can trade off the information you have other than knowing inflation I don't understand your question. Do you mean I can't access other market or macroeconomic indicators other than inflation or what exactly do you mean? >Nobody gives a shit about your unconstructive, uneducated opinion However, here you are, barking at me while your blood is boiling with indignation. >Do you know electrical? Are you a programmer? no, stfu and listen to someone that does work in the field Yes. And yes. And by answering your questions I'm not validating your fallacy of authority attempt, but to show you that besides being an insecure person, you are also an hypocrite, because you are emiting opinions about a topic (in this case, about my education background) without being educated yourself about it or without just asking about it genuinely and not rethorically as you did here, just to emit a hasty veredict right after the question mark. >and "real agi" will never exist in our lifetime That's why I used the conjunction *if* in my message: "if by then we have a real AGI" is a conditional clause, not a certainty about the future. Is it you who accuses me of having a lack of reading comprehension skills? Your hypocrisy has betrayed you again. >emulate consciousness through quantum computing, and our limitations in material sciences vs **how much power it costs to create all possible prompts at once** Why would you want to "create all possible prompts at once" (whatever that means) to emulate consciousness? Nowadays, what we call "AI" belongs to the machine learning field, which is applied statistics. And generative AI (since you are talking about prompts), very roughly explained, calculates the next probable word based on the previous one, given a context. That's not probably how our cognition works, even if you implemented a transformer in a supercomputer. >You would know this if you followed along the basics of googles recent experiments in quantum computing like project Willow Willow is not a project, is a processor. If you pretend to instruct me about something, at least you could bother to educate yourself in the first place to avoid ashaming yourself like this. >People like you will be the ones who are going to be left behind, and thats fine. I'm not sure in what sense I'm supposed to be left behind. I use LLMs myself ocassionally, but that doesn't imply that I can allow myself to abandon all my human criteria. In fact, most often than I would wish I find myself correcting Claude because it makes errors that range from subtle ones to the most basic ones, from poor logic implementations to blatant hallucinations that include made up information that doesn't exist in any available documentation. With this panorama, I hope it's understandable (at least from the OP side, who seems to be brighter than you) why I am reticent to "AI"-based agentic trading. >and thats fine. I don't understand why you wish me a miserable fate, but in any case, I suggest you to leave the internet from time to time, go meet your friends (assuming there is still someone left in your contacts that stomaches your disgusting personality) or find any activity that distracts you and makes you happy. You may have a more joyful existence.

DanielTheTechie

No way I would allow an idiotic LLM to juggle with my money.  Maybe in 2060, if by then we have a real AGI, I will let a bot to do discretional trading for me, but nowadays any bot marketed as "AI" is a scam.

RandoDude124

How do you mean and why is this here? If you mean AGI, than yeah, it’s an LLM.

Tazzman-502

AGI is going to use much more energy than mining Bitcoin. AGI will figure out how to capture the massive energy that the sun produces to run itself. ☀️⚡️💥

Putrid-Past-3366

Elon announced AGI by Christmas. Things could potentially get very interesting over the next 12 months.

qp0n

Progress towards AGI has never been faster. .... but its still lightyears away.

harvested

Spoiler: all jobs will be menial when AGI here

Reasonable-Buy-1427

Love this. I agree, based on the unknowable limits of AGI if we get to that point. Until then, the track is set and Bitcoin over gold (have both though)

spx6900lifechange

My thinking is that AGI will break trading altogether because its intelligence will be so far superior. What we see now are toys that are like a calculator compared to a supercomputer. We are in the Wild West as someone already said. Trading is a losing game though tbh. I just DCA SPX6900 every day, small amounts. It’s a coin that represents a social movement to flip the stock market and generate wealth for a world faced with limited options to do so.

ich3ckmat3

AGI / ASI / Quantum AI / Time Travel

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tldr; Qubic, a blockchain protocol, has released its AI model, AIGarth, which has faced criticism for its inability to perform basic math, such as claiming '1+1=-114.' The AI is being trained using a unique method involving artificial neural networks and aims to achieve artificial general intelligence (AGI). Qubic previously attempted a 51% attack on Monero but fell short. The Monero community is exploring defenses against Qubic's ongoing attacks, while Qubic's token value has dropped amid AIGarth's public failures. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

El_Caganer

AGI/ASI may disrupt bitcoin in that timeline.

Astropin

AGI

SpoopyNoNo

I think crypto can be a part of the AI/tech investment feedback loop that will take over this century, but I feel like the opportunity cost of owning crypto rather than shares of computing power, drones, batteries, robotics, telecom, space, etc. shit will be too high this century. The time to get on the boat for massive beat the market returns was a quite while ago for crypto, imo. I think if it is incorporated into daily life and whatnot there’ll still be great returns but nothing compared to getting on board before AGI is created and or all labor is automated, when thinking longterm.

Alex_Nillion

Glad to be hear. 1. AI is will be the next technological revolution, and we are only in the early stages of it. AI will have at least the same sweeping societal and economic impacts as the Industrial Revolution if not bigger. While it feels like there is a plateau (thanks GPT5), we are still so early. The best way to map development trajectory for a change this all-encompassing is against something with the scale of the Industrial Revolution. I hope you wanted to live through a revolution because we are living through one right now. I wrote an article with my thoughts on this on X: [https://x.com/Alex4Only/status/1844380170938888203](https://x.com/Alex4Only/status/1844380170938888203) As far as development, the next 10 years is too hard to predict. But in the shorter term, I see a continuation of the AI arms race, as the big technical wave, will keep pushing forwards towards AGI. In its wake, we will see a lot more agent-specialized models/tools pop up that will drive deep into certain industries. Adoption & intimacy are the most important end-user metrics for consumer AI which means actual utility will be key and is easier to accomplished with focused AI solutions. The Big AI companies are going to want their tech to be the one you cannot live without & that is best accomplished through intimacy & utility. 2. We launched the $NIL token in early 2025. 3. I see our tech penetration happening first with independent developers. Devs who care about privacy & want their apps to have real privacy but are unable because of the high tradeoffs/challenges to incorporation privacy tech. This has been the biggest blocker to Privacy Enhancing Technology (PETs) adoption, and our mission at Nillion is to decrease the barriers for devs who care about privacy can build with it. From there, I believe consumers will choose apps with privacy over those without if the utility tradeoffs are low enough. After enough devs and consumers are choosing privacy first, then we will get the big enterprises interested. Right now, we have many enterprise partners (Alibaba Cloud, Deutsche Telekom, Vodafone, STC Bahrain, and WorldPay) interested in building apps with Nillion, but the driving force to make privacy great again will be privacy-first apps being available and consumers choosing privacy.

harvested

Ever question your purpose in life? We're on the verge of AGI disruption and you're spending your time trolling an internet forum.

PsyOmega

I'm not talking shitty AI. Good AI like GPT-5 that's "convincingly sentient". reasoning AI. If not the coming AGI.

Stueyhighball

If you looked into IOTA- do some reading on qubic. It is so advanced everyone is in denial with what they are accomplishing. Decentralized computing trains AGI and mining XMR blockchain with the remainder. It's very cool. Also- LINK is a decent play. Less upside, but solid

harvested

Fiat creates desperation for younger generations, zoomers wages are down like 50% in real terms, AGI on the horizon, they're basically fucked. Crypto is a chance out for them. Unfortunately they're being played by VCs and insiders scraping off the top.

Efficient_Builder_55

That crash might coincide with the AI bubble crash and we might witness the dotcom bubble v2. Or crypto just becomes the new financial system and AI keeps growing until we reach AGI.

wolfofballsstreet

I agree 100%. The only feasible way it goes to $0 is through Quantum computing breaking the cryptography before there can be a consensus on quantum resistance keys. I seriously doubt that’ll happen, but it’s still a non-zero possibility. I’d say it’s more likely humanity gets AGI before commercially available powerful quantum computers

GoldEdit

The rise of AGI and Supercomputers threatens Bitcoin’s existence. There’s still time

DiverAggressive6747

Your curiosity and your willingness to navigate into those topics and the fact that you express concerns, indicates you are a very smart person. I encourage you to dive deeper into those topics, and I can almost guarantee it will be a fascinating journey for you. I don't have just one source, but rather spatial sources. But by having interest you can find many information online. You can search by keywords about: AI, AGI, ASI and then about post-scarsity world. If you are not familiar with those terms, I highly recommend to start a discussion with ChatGPT and ask things about them, letting it explain to you simply.  This could change your view about our world. You see we are into the Bitcoin sub, but we are talking about other topics. If you go at the top level of our discussion, I tried to make people realize how those changes could affect Bitcoin. People discard those ideas by saying "AI won't hack the Blockchain". People can't grasp the idea that something outside of cryptocurrency world can make the whole concept to become redundant.

thomerow

I'm afraid that will happen even before AGI is a thing. So stack even faster.

harvested

Keep earning and buying til AGI is here and the music stops. Jobs gone.

Strong_Judge_3730

AGI takeover and they force communism on us

evgeniy_pp

How exactly “invention of AGI” turns into “all money becomes obsolete”? In this scenario the world turns into some communist utopia, or what?

omg_its_dan

LLMs cannot be used to break encryption no matter how advanced they become. Full AGI maybe, but everything else in the world is equally at risk (including humanity itself). Quantum computing is a real risk due to how it processes information. An advanced quantum computer could theoretically break existing encryption protocols. That said the bitcoin protocol can and will be upgraded once this becomes a real risk.

CatatonicMan

You're operating under the incorrect assumption that the current "AI" boom has anything at all to do with "intelligence", be it artificial, general, or super. We're not anywhere near developing *actual* AGI, much less passing through the singularity.

ardyes

QUBIC * u/c___f___b, the creator of QUBIC, also created NXT (first Proof of Stake coin) and IOTA (first DAG-based coin). * QUBIC uses Useful Proof of Work (UPOW): mining is used not just to secure the network, but also to train artificial general intelligence (AGI). * This is a step beyond traditional proof-of-work which expends energy on meaningless calculations. TAO * TAO powers the **Bittensor network**, which allows machine learning models to train collaboratively in a decentralized, open-source environment. * Think of it like a blockchain-powered **AI brain**—where models contribute and get rewarded for useful outputs. KAS * Kaspa is the **fastest PoW blockchain**, capable of **over 100 blocks per second**, with instant confirmation. * Unlike Bitcoin’s 10-minute blocks, Kaspa has **1-second block times**. * Kaspa uses a **DAG (Directed Acyclic Graph)** structure called **GHOSTDAG**, allowing multiple blocks to be created and ordered simultaneously. * This fixes Bitcoin’s scalability issues while retaining proof-of-work’s security.

terp_studios

Yeah that’s the weakness that you and all those “AI experts” are showing right now. You think it’s just as simple as getting AGI and then the next step is ASI linearly afterwards. The power needed to run ASI or even AGI is exponentially higher than what we achieve now. We can’t even define intelligence…how are we supposed to create it? All the “AI” that we have now is only trained on knowledge we have, there’s no creative thought. At best, it can recognize patterns. We’re far away from actual intelligence. Building ASI will require a level of cooperation between nations that no one is capable of at the moment. And if it is just one nation that figures it out first….well it won’t be free and unlimited, that’s for sure. Even when the ASI figures out how to make this “unlimited free energy”, ***people still have to make it***. It will be a very long time until energy is free and unlimited.

QuantumXeroh

Humans one biggest weakness is we think linearly and cannot think exponentially. All of the world's leading Ai experts estimate AGI is within 3-6 years, and ASI within 20 years. The first AGI will help train the next AGI which will help train the next and so on until you have a team of AGI's doing 50 years of Ai R&D in a span of 1 year to reach ASI.

terp_studios

You’re vastly underestimating how close we are to ASI. We don’t even have AGI yet. Even when we do get to ASI, the power requirements will be insane even just to power it for 5 minutes.

harvested

There is no top because technological breakthroughs like AGI, ASI, and robotics will continue to accelerate efficiency and increase deflation. Bitcoin is just the measuring stick.

TehGutch

What a joke. Anyone smart woulda traded the eth for bitcoin along time AGI

Sir_Steve369

Sub 5 years. AI needs quantam computing to evolve into AGI. This is why mega tech companies are investing in AI....not crypto. I still own a good sum, bit only to take advantage of suckers who think it will be worth millions.

xander2235

It is true the Fiat is withering away. However no one seems to consider what it's going to be transforming into. The genius bill just signed last week will eventually transform all forms of currency into a stable coin / cbdc system. And it's already been documented by many people with a little research done, the capabilities that this system is going to have. The ability to control everyone's financial freedom. It can be turned on and off at will and given an expiration date. If any particular government doesn't want to allow its people to purchase certain items, no transaction will go through with that particular digital currency. So while cryptocurrency may be a nice decision for the short-term, the people who are buying and holding for several years to come or for the rest of their lives may be hit with quite a rude awakening. The cryptocurrency we know today can very simply be outlawed by the any governments stable coins and cbdcs. Bitcoin could go to 200,000 or even a million dollars... But what's it's going to be worth when there are no more dollars ??? And governments will not allow any other form of currency to take away the control they gain from these new digital assets. Then of course there's a discussion of AI which is expected to achieve AGI (artificial general intelligence) and ASI(artificial super intelligence) within the next 2 to 3 years. Certainly by 2030. And then of course the other one slightly further down the road of quantum computers that can hack every bank account and crypto wallet address on the planet in a second. All things to consider and plan your future around. Because you know the ones that have nefarious ideas in mind have already thought these things out for us.

SpiritualNothing6717

I mean, nothing is going to save you from financial collapse, not even Bitcoin. Bitcoin is not a prepper currency, it's not "collapse proof". Bitcoin is a currency based on superior principles. Bitcoin is not safe from another widespread 2008 market collapse. This is a common misconception. Bitcoin was made as a response to what started the collapse (lack of trust, transparency, etc.) As long as Bitcoin is a minority currency, it will always be vulnerable to collapses of the greater financial system. You should buy Bitcoin based on your belief that transparency, fixed currency pools, peer-to-peer transactions, and blockchains are superior. Of course I believe it's a great currency and system, but thinking it's collapse proof and omnipotent in stability is optimistic at best. If AGI and mass unemployment plays out the way I believe it to be (from my limited knowledge of my artificial intelligence degree), I think we are all in for a reckoning no matter if you hold Indexes, Crypto, Gold, toilet paper, or whatever else.

bazzlebrush

How would an AI created crypto be any better than the thousands of other blockchains that claim to be the next Bitcoin. If this does somehow happen, it will likely be in the form of an extremely dystopian CBDC implementation forced on society, like fiat.. AGI could never be a voluntary money system, because people would never trust that it will maintain scarcity. There's a good chance that there will always be another monetary system that the compliant sheep will embrace, that Bitcoin will fight against, like fiat is currently is now.

dromance

Why do you think bitcoin is worth more than AGI?

Acrobatic-Activity94

This is what my boyfriend says, talks about quantum computing and AGI, saying I shouldn’t have so much invested in bitcoin. AGI could break into 401ks if they wanted, etc, I know bitcoin likely will be worth more (or rather intuition). I feel you on this.

harvested

Going to be even harder when you don't have a salary due to AGI

FilmFalm

The trend in computing leans toward infinite computing power for almost no cost. As we approach AGI (and the Singularity), this does not bode well for their long-term prospects.

qwertxyzabc

There’s no solid evidence that AGI or superintelligence will exist in 5–10 years, let alone break all encryption. Modern crypto relies on hard math problems, not just brute force. Real threats like quantum computing are being addressed with post-quantum algorithms. Unless you have a credible source, this sounds like pure speculation.

Nervous_Judge_5565

The latest is fears of AGI and S-AGI busting all crypto encryption by bad actors in about 10 years, conservatively. Lots of time to beef up encryption security but those in the know are saying crypto will be the first victim. Somewhat worrisome.

na3than

Your philosophical thoughts aren't as deep as you think they are. > I believe that structure is the key to understanding Bitcoin and Satoshi Nakamoto and that this is the most accurate take to date. You believe that your belief is "the most accurate take to date"? That's remarkable. It must be very satisfying to know that, of all the takes there have been, YOURS has been recognized* as the most accurate so far. (* by you.) > Bitcoin is structural value as structure = value Structure doesn't equal value. If it did, "structural value" would be redundant. > Blockchain is immutable time + trust-less history All time is immutable. If I'm wrong, please provide a counter example of *mutable* time. > Protocols serve as AGI building blocks and immune systems Protocols serve as *immune systems*? You've stopped trying to make sense, haven't you? > Hybrid sovereign/non-sovereign structural systems and protocols that are recursive with aggregation power through hardware create divine structure Yeah, you've clearly stopped trying to say anything meaningful. You're just stringing words together in the hope of sounding profound. It's not working.

johnwick3

Governments? We as a species aren't. Isn't it just going to blow up the work = money = food model entirely? But what I don't get is how this all ends. If every company follows this model and eliminates as many jobs as possible between AGI & robotics, won't their products get consumed less? Where does that end?

harvested

I don't think governments are prepared for the mass unemployment caused by AGI. All kinds of debt will defaulted on. The money printers will be working over time.

immersive-matthew

It appears as though the supply and demand of mining tends to keep the system in balance, but there is always a risk that 1 centralized mining operation takes over 51% of the hash rate, but if that happens it would instantly devalue Bitcoin and thus the motivation would be low given the sheer cost to hash that much for little gain in the long run. It is a non zero chance though and there could be other vectors too so nothing is guaranteed. That said we have had over a decade of many attempts to bring Bitcoin down and none have been successful so it does appear fairly hardened. Of course AI, AGI and ASI may tip the tables, but that goes with everything. I am also not the most knowledgeable of Bitcoin as I have been more of a sideline watcher. This is just my understanding. Sure there are maximalist here there can school is all much better but I think this is the general gist.

kurosaki1990

> But here's the twist: They’re not mining for profit. They're building towards decentralized AGI. Through uPoW (useful Proof of Work), Qubic transforms mining into purposeful computation — like AI model training — instead of wasting electricity on meaningless hashes. is this shit still working in 2025?

BaldDragonSlayer

Longevity Escape Velocity is a real thing, and with AGI seeming fairly likely within two decades and ASI almost inevitable at some point after that, it wouldn't surprise me if cutting-edge medicine can eliminate age-related causes of death completely within 50 years for wealthy/connected individuals. So secure your BTC to a ridiculously paranoid level, maximize your sovereignty in all dimensions of life, be very health and longevity conscious, improve your networking skills over the coming decades and this is very much on the table for most of us.

Icy_Mushroom_425

Past performance isn’t a guarantee, but proven founders with bold tech visions are rare. But in crypto, even legends only get one or two shots. If Qubic really delivers on AGI potential, it won’t stay under the radar for long. Worth watching but stay sharp.

so-many-user-names

https://youtu.be/0cgbZqR2AGI?si=Uktl8fSrGizhlBQI

xnergy5

If it turns out that this individual was genuinely among the early Bitcoin miners and contributors—as supported by archived Bitcointalk posts—then their current work in AGI could mark a historic pivot. From laying the groundwork for decentralized finance to now advancing decentralized intelligence, the implications are massive.

badadoo19

It's still early to predict Qubic's final outcome but certainly has the ability to outperform a lot of projects. To be honest is a multi complex chain,still not easy for newcomers on crypto to fully understand what Qubic is.Apart from uPoW is already having smart contracts,many defletionary mechanisms,consistently burning coins,an involving AI model(eventually on good scenario an AGI model),enormous computing power,upcoming Oracle machines and many more. In my point of view,even if Qubic doesn't perform exactly how i believe (my prediction is 20-30b mcap in the next 2 years),still will bring huge ROI on investors as long as burning mechanisms keep going on the same pace. Great gem,fully dedicated on Qubic.Sky is the limit!

PercentageEfficient2

Right? The threat potential is real. I imagine a quantum based AI. Now that's some AGI material there.. and least in my science fiction fantasies. Do it! Everything worthwhile takes real effort.

AdBeginning5638

I personally just think AGI/quantum compute are overhyped innovations. Theres been too much time and money thrown at it so far with what they have to show for it. It doesnt fit the common mold of innovations to me. They are trying to get these things to work by brute force and maybe they will for some applications, but I think it will end up being a large waste of time and energy,

Careless_Ant_4430

Okay - I did give 10-50 year window for AGI which is reasonable for just general intelligence. Unless you are thinking of ASI, artificial super intelligence... because if you think an A.I cant be generally intelligent like a human (not saying that makes it conscious or gives it life) - you arent paying attention. General simply means that it can be trained as a medical A.I but teach itself other completely different skills and tasks without human help or input. I would counter your argument and say that putting AGI aside, dismissing AI's near future potential impact is equally as dumb. Our best AI currently has an IQ of 136 (thats a better score than 98% of humans), it was 120 only a few months back. The technology is growing exponentially. It will be implemented with other technologies that are growing or not invented yet. It does not have to be a mythical, mystical robot born intelligence "AGI" to help develop our progress on technology by orders of magnitude. Even a marginally smarter AI than we have today with better and more useful implementation (specialised LLM's for hospitals, research assistants etc) will speed up human progress. But the rate the tech is improving it will blow past that in 5 years. Sure you can dismiss AGI, a definition nobody can even agree on, let alone know when we have reached it. But you cant dismiss how influential A.I will be in general on humanity at every level in the next 10 years.

ChipNDipPlus

People believing in AGI are the dumbest people on the planet. 

Careless_Ant_4430

Sorry, Im not trying to offer my opinion as fact here! I dont think quantum news would budge the price of bitcoin per se either, and im not suggesting that. All I am suggesting, is the assumptions that its not coming soon is not a safe assumption, as we cannot gauge how fast any burgeoning technology is going to move once we have AGI (or something close to it) working on all our hard problems. Especially technologies in which it is merely an engineering challenge, like nuclear fusion and quantum, where we can mathematically surmise how they work, but just not how to engineer it. All I'm highlighting is kids dont even know what to study, as people dont even know what jobs will be relevant or exist in 20 years. And people certainly dont know what the world will look like as we are likely going to experience so much exponential change and the rate of change could be massive. Like I said, I think bitcoin lasts eons and this will only make it stronger! But I dont think we should apathy or assume bitcoin will just crush any challenge it comes up against without people doing some hard work to Shepard it though.

Careless_Ant_4430

I dont think it is just FUD, it's a pretty valid concern at this point. Its unlikely to happen soon, however nobody can even agree on what the next 20 years looks like AGI and AI agents progressing our understanding of the world (and the problems were trying to solve with it) so rapidly. Mainly being that even if quantum computing was technically solved, which could happen in the next 10 years now with AI or AGI helping speed up engineering challenges drastically, and even if its not used to attack the network, but merely exists, it could have a massive effect on the publics perception of bitcoins safety and its price forcing a fork debate which would be large since bitcoin will be more mainstream. I still have extreme optimism and think everything that doesnt kill bitcoin makes it stronger, but I cant see it being a smooth era for bitcoin when it comes online, and it could easily be in the near future with the exponential growth of AI tech.

Careless_Ant_4430

This is true, however I would suggest that these statements are no longer true for the next 10/20/-50 years with AGI and 24 hour working AI agents coming down the pipeline. Problems, especially ones like quantum computers and fusion that are almost solely engineering problems now are going to get solved much faster.

Nosliwgg

People aren't taking your question seriously, but I have personally thought about this multiple times before, and I consider it a valid point of discussion. I am a maximalist, and I think we will eventually reach a point - whether through AGI or ASI - where productivity increases so much that virtually everything will be free, with the exception of some luxurious items that will still be scarce, such as certain elements or even Bitcoin, which some people may want to have. However, I doubt most people will be focused on accumulating those things, so most will be satisfied. I think that in a post-scarcity world, we wouldn't need Bitcoin, but we do need it now and probably in the near future as well. Bitcoiners are likely to be the first to benefit from this exponential growth in productivity, while the masses will notice an increase in purchasing power more slowly. So my guess is that we will slowly benefit from it while "normies" and non-coiners don't notice significant changes in their lives. By the mid-21st century, we may move on from Bitcoin if I am correct. Some people say that in a post-scarcity world, AI would use Bitcoin; I don't think that will be the case. However, I do believe they will initially use Bitcoin among themselves (before total post-scarcity).