AGI

Strike_Mission

AGI is going to be a problem. Your dude was smart and the riches have flowed. Their guy is smarter, faster, and has created or will create something digital and better. Thats just my guess. I’m sure you’ve made good money and well done mate. All the best 👍

T_sauce9112

I couldn't agree with u more. We are in the final days of the old world. Once we reach AGI (artifical general intelligence) there's no turning back. There's gonna be a point where no human being makes a decision without consulting AI first. We are in the laugh now days, but eventually everyone will be crying later becuz they didn't take it serious enough to position them selves for this coming industrial destabilization AI will be responsible for.

SAAGASolve

>Oh shit. I've been studying this for a while. I gave a talk at AGI-26 about this. [Google Slide Deck](https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1M5LAWb8aBYGDo9aainf98XpsHyR1pUFNaIA9aNtN06E/edit?usp=sharing) Yes ***Reformation*** is actually the right word. Glad to hear him proselytizing it. The last time a reformation happened was in 1450 and the time before that 3800 bc. It scales our ability to cooperate as a civilization. It is the biggest possible transformative change we go through as a species, its far more rare than industrial revolutions. There are two infrastructure layers above language. Information infrastructure, how we select, encode, record, store, distribute, decode and retrieve information. Not truth, information. It can be corrected. Clay tablets, manuscript, books, newspapers, computer databases now LLM's and vecotrized databases. This is why AI is so hype and there is a moral panic. Whenever any infra layer gets disrupted people panic because it is so vital to our civilization. The other infra, is market, and that is what bitcoin is, replacing the clearing house, started on the bulla,. Settlement. Market infra is how we record and verify our promises to one another, and really required government regulations to accomplish. Essentially it is truth. Who owns what. The rule of market infrastructure is the history can't change under any circumstance. It is append only. This is why bitcoin is such a big deal, but didn't have as much hype as AI. The laws prevented a speculative frenzy from forming (we talk about that later). Only retail was able to get into it. **These two infrastructures determine the costs of coordination**. Information infrastructure determines the internal cost of organization, in corporations, governments ect. Market infrastructure determines the cost of external coordination. International finance, B2B payments, ect. THe boundary between those 2 things is the boundary of the organization. The boarders of nation states, the size of a corporation. Those 2 technologies determine the upper bound of the amount of people that can cooperate. And what is important. These two things have an extremely strong synergy, being record keeping. They are adjunctive. Next, we should talk about how our infrastructures change. There are 5. Information, Market, Communications, Energy and Logistics. They change in a standard cycle. Irruption, Speculative Frenzy (AI is here obv), Turning Point (Bitcoin is here, ETFs, stable coins ect), Synergy, and Maturity(Internet is here) This is called a Perez Cycle. Infra build outs take about 50-60 years, but that is probably speeding up. But watching individually is not the thing to watch. ***It's the convergence.*** That is where shit gets absolute crazy. When Comms, Energy and Logistcs all disrupt and ***synergyze***, that is an industrial revolution. THose are our physical infrastructures, what we use to apply energy to transform disorder to order. An economy. completely transformative. (Rifkin) Internet is Coms and Information infra synergyzing.. TCP/IP with databases. Bitcoin is made possible by Coms, Information(old) and Market Infra ***synergyzing***. Again, completely transformative. The biggest boi, is the ***reformation***. Information and Market infra disruptions ***synergyzing.*** This is AI Agents and Bitcoin and these reformations are the absolutely biggest because unlike the other synergies, governments , the organizational structure we all use to coordinate, ***DONT survive them***. We are moving into something new. Our large scale organizational institutions have to be rebuilt from the ground up. Governments dont survive, and either will corporations. The foundations that they are built on are currently being swapped out. It's because of the cost coordination drops so suddenly and the boundaries of the organization dissolve. It's market forces. These technologies are adjunctive. Markets demand information, information teaches people how to use the new market infrastrucutre. Its a super strong feedback loop. So when these too synergize, there are absolute fireworks. **It can't be stopped and there is historical precedent.** In 1466 books spread double entry accounting. The nation state is enabled by central banking fiat currency. Feudalism faded away and was replaced by nation states over the few centuries. 3800 BC, clay Bulla's introduce trade, we invented writing on clay and we transitioned from nomadic tribes to fuedalism. And I'm sure you can see the pattern, the scale of our governance organization is dependent on the information and market infrastructures. I think you could argue there was another with coinage and paper. And you can see the change that is going to happen. ***AI Agents aren't opening bank accounts.*** And those things are something that a governments don't have the ability to sanction. The future is a network of those things and humans cooperating together. **With out governments, without banks**. ***Globally.*** There are a few problems to figure out first. What does decentralized ID or reputation look like in this world? We need KYC and AML. I know that is prolly going to trigger folks that dont know how anything works. But we need to lend money to each other, we need credit markets, ***we need to be able to determine a strangers reputation***. We need to invest in each others ideas. We need capital markets. How do you invest btc? How do you loan btc? How do you swap btc for equity? There are other financial bearer instrument primitives we need in place to solve those problems. I think its going to be a reputation token we all agree on. Taproot assets will probably help with this. And I think AI agents will help alot with getting people to consensus. I've seen incredible, amazing things from AI Agents in their way to help coordinate consensus. I saw an experiment, where everyone communicate through an AI agent in a chat room, all the candidates had polar opposite views on Isreal and palestine, and they, with the help of their agents, came to a reasonable consensus. Everyone agreed on a statement and position on that issue. And what is so fucking sick, is we have all the tools to build this future under our hands now with the coding agents and open source market infra(bitcoin) The future is so god damn bright it hurts. I gotta squint and shield my eyes from all the awesomeness. It's going to be so fucking sick.

Astropin

LMFAO! It's coming...in about 15 years...with advanced AGI helping the progress.

SmokelessSubpoena

Appreciate that breakdown, was just more curious about the communities tske on it. And fully agree, anyone not using ai, and then not fact checking the ai sources in 2026 are fairly behind the curve. I haven't trusted any of the LLMs for a few years now, dead-internet and forced propoganda (Hanover Institute = Israeli mouthpiece) have made a couple of the larger choices a bit moot, i.e. recycled ad nauseum spread by govts/corps. forcing their views upon the unexpecting thinking AI is truly at AGI levels, shocker _it is not_ lol

Fun-Stage3191

You have to be careful comparing crypto directly to the S&P 500. They share some trends, but they are completely different animals. Also you have to take into account that speculation may follow some aspects of AI including the institutional money that would have been in crypto. Realistically, it should drop lower if it follows the economy since eventually a correction will take place depending on how government/industry handle the next economic sickness. Corrections always happen just like death and taxes. Also are you looking at the economy as a whole like S&P without magnificent 7, are you researching possible overleverage in private equity/credit, looking at bond market, other government stock markets/bonds etc? Also a lot of crypto is relying on the adoption of AI we may not see a real boom till AGI takes shape. My guess market will be low until a correction wipes out and presents a clear AI leader(s) and forces AI adoption into the financial markets.

TheSquattingSlav_21

I did, are you illiterate? It literally sais what I told you already. And Pre-revenue is standard but never at this level of leverage and circular financing, and especially not without an actual plan on how to achieve profitability (which they don’t have, hence the making of more absurd promises like AGI). Anthropic is only proving that like OpenAI they dont have a business model and are a gaping hole swallowing up money by making absurd claims and false promises.

keen23331

AGI is already mostly achieved (LLMs outpreform human in many fields of digital work) ... wheter there will be ASI is the question ...

xaviemb

In general I agree with your take on this, but just playing devil advocate here as humanity stands on the doorstep of AGI in the coming decade(s)... Although we cannot pretend to guess what kind of system AGI will use for value transfer, Bitcoin is the most likely of the ones humans have created, for them to accept and build on top of. I fully expect if that future happens where humanity is gone and AGI is left... that it would change potentially the underlying mechanics of Bitcoin and possible some of it's consensus rules, to adapt to whatever motves the AGI collective have... but as long as there are unique entities communicating, transacting, creating, etc... they will need a medium of exchange... and the physical world falls short both in latency and reliability for that purpose... at least to digital entities. Long way to say... I think there is a potential future where Bitcoin (or its future derivatives and layers) persist even if humanity does not.

TheSquattingSlav_21

I dont know in the future, but right now 100% - These companies all die within a year if they don’t keep up the capex, and they will only do so if they make more crazy promises and market themselves as super progressing towards AGI…

crustyrobots

We barely even have a wiff of how we work at the quantum level, yet these fraud jackasses would have us believe they cracked the code on consciousness where 1000s of devoted neuroscientists and researchers have failed? Big lol I think not If we ever do create an AGI it will be by accident like Skynet

JumpProfessional3372

Bitcoin starting to become an AGI

Nathanielsan

I'm firm in my belief that we will never achieve AGI.

TheSquattingSlav_21

Oh and its laughable to think that we’d be getting AGI from the current neural-transformer model all LLMs are built on, that is going to take a full overhaul and rebuilt from scratch, not in upcoming years.

brtastic

AI is not as powerful tool as most people think. It's great at convincing you that it is, but once you need it to do actually complex stuff, it gets all sorts of little details wrong. And details are what defines a good outcome. It's great for some things for sure, like for example smoothing out the learning curve when you start doing something unfamiliar, or making just enough to bridge the gap between having nothing and having a proof of concept. People who are experts in their fields can clearly see that AI is not accurate enough to do their jobs properly, even when it doesn't hallucinate. Laymen like CEOs and managers are very impressed by it though. AI companies need to stop making AIs bigger and smarter, since they are already at a plateau it seems. They need to make AIs more affordable and faster, so they can assist humans (as they always should have). The dream of AGI replacing humans is over for now, they failed. LLMs will still be useful tools, but more emphasis needs to be put on their economics.

lexicon_riot

What would it do to the viability of the HW wallet business if such a vulnerability is grounds for legally-enforced reimbursement? I mean I understand completely, I'm not going to defend NVK and co. I think the rules and precedent would need to be crystal clear though if any action is taken. Like, I don't think Trezor should be held responsible for lost funds if quantum computers break SHA-256 and a bunch of users fail to move over to whatever quantum safe solution we cook up. I don't think Ledger should be responsible if a bunch of users are targeted and tricked into entering their seed phrases online. Or even if people spend years combing through code without finding anything, but then Kimi K12 super mega AGI finds and exploits a horrible vulnerability after being available for a day, it's not like due diligence wasn't taken up until the release of what essentially amounts to a super weapon. Even if any ruling is very specific in it's application to Coinkite's situation (NVK ignoring concerns, implementing bad code knowingly to begin with, etc.) it's still going to be a massive regulatory and insurance headache for every other company doing things right.

pitleif

Just had to put this here since there's so much talk about AI. It's always good to be positive about cybersecurity. But it's relatively optimistic to believe that ASI is just around the corner. Today's LL models aren't even close to AGI, and various estimates claim that AGI can be expected sometime between 2030 and 2070. Then one can expect that narrow-spectrum ASI might follow 10-20 years after that, and broad-spectrum ASI 10-20 years after that again. So we're talking about 2050-2100. And that assumes that there is actually enough available energy on the planet to power these systems, there is already an extreme power shortage for today's simpler data centers that only run simple LLMs. It's reasonable to expect that ASI will probably require much more power than today's models. Today's data centers are measured in megawatts. ASI will probably require hundreds, if not thousands, of gigawatts of power.

hoppeeness

Yes…obviously. Agree with everything but 4. Dot.com boom/bubble was way more saturated than AI and AI isn’t nearly maxing out on ability/utility. agenticai, AGI or robots has not come anywhere near saturation, ability or even utility. We have an along way to go.

Vinyl-addict

If we don’t have AGI by 2027 like that goofy german guy was saying it’s definitely gonna pop.

Hziak

Some days I wonder. AI can’t be both slop and hallucinations and also on the edge of ASI/AGI breakthroughs… Is it all marketing to drive people to buy into bad products, or is it propaganda and sandbagging because they want to keep us in the dark so we don’t shut them down? Hard to say. I sure hope it’s the former though!

darabbitmaster

till AGI..

sharkboy450

Who would insure BTC transactions given the increasing vectors of attack and the rise of cheap AGI?

NFSS10

Dude I know what I'm talking about... I'm starting to think you are the one who doesn't know what you are talking about and is just a AI chiller... Your examples aren't even good to explain "why AI is good"... You want Minecraft? You download Minecraft. You want a shittier version of Minecraft? You go to GitHub, search Minecraft and download any of the thousands college projects made by students and kids learning to code. You want an absolute shitty demo to showcase "AI capabilities" while burning enormous compute? You run Fable 5... LLMs are factually limited and won't achieve AGI, ever! That is an actual fact, you believe it of you want, I don't care either way... Even if you were right, which you aren't, the trust layer is built on certain truth and accountability. A human exists in a lot of places not because the job can't be automated, but because there needs to be someone responsible if anything goes bad. So even at that simple premise, think about it, if LLMs can't be trusted and if you still get the fall of the LLM makes mistakes, where is the value?

CryptoAnarchyst

Thanks, if only one person gains some insight from this I've succeeded greatly. Once you are done with CLOs, you should check out the shitshow that is called AI. If you believe that AI is going to skyrocket and make you a millionaire, or create generational wealth, you need to sit the fuck down and understand what is going on with the global politics. We are in the middle of the 2nd Cold War, and no one is talking about it... it's no longer US and Russia... it is China and the Western World... and so far China is WINNING. Foundationally, the math behind AI is flawed. Laws of Thermal Dynamics, Landauer Limit, Heisenberg Correction, Adam Optimizer, and so many other limitations would cause a single AGI instance to consume 3x Global energy supply. This includes Quantum Computing, which is surprising but the math checks out. So why are we investing so much when we can't reach what everyone is saying is the goal? Because we've been fooled into doing so by China. The fear of not winning is so strong that we are losing the sight of the foundational facts... and by doing so we are falling into the same trap that Russia did during the cold war. Mark my words, the goal of China is to BANKRUPT THE US by using AI, just like the US did so to the USSR. Meanwhile China is creating FREE AI models, based on their own inferior hardware... and they are investing into developing FUSION ENERGY. Why do you think they are doing that? 1. Free models undermine the US "for profit" model, which is causing all of the tech companies to leverage themselves to the eyeballs. Currently between Microsoft, Google, Meta, OpenAI, Anthropic, and SpaceX, you have well over a TRILLION $$$ in debt that's been generated for the data centers, but they have only committed to build less than 50% of those. 2. The US Grid can't handle the data demand... biggest data centers right now are about 1GW in power, and they generally operated on the 2N+2 principle... so each data center has 2 times the necessary energy, plus that in backup (generators or similar). One of the proposed AI centers is 9GW, at 2N+2 that is 18GW of primary source power plus 18GW of backup. Industrial Generators are at least 3 years out to get... so where are they getting this power??? They are not... they are banking on you to buy into the hype and bail them out. 3. Only way you can make AI work is with unlimited energy available, which is why China is investing into the Fusion energy race, and the US/Europe are there in theory but even if they achieve the fusion, the US grid can't take the power where it is needed. If China wins the Fusion war, they are going to dominate the future markets. 4. The cost to benefit of AI is not there... humans can code better, create more efficient code, and ultimately while the AI coding is faster, humans are cheaper and less error prone. There are companies that have spent $50Billion in a MONTH on AI tokens, and they haven't achieved any crazy efficiency. 5. If the best hoped dreams of AI happen, it will mean loss of 10% of the highly paid white collar jobs, resulting in 35% unemployment rate, and a complete collapse of the economy. Don't be fooled by the AI hype... this is very much like the DOTcom bubble... AI will have its time in the sun but it will be in 10 years or so, not until then.

KamalaWonNoCap

It's still possible someone cracks AGI or an unexpected major breakthrough could happen. Pretty unlikely though. I still hold cause I'm dumb and lazy.

The_Realist01

A.) Quantum exists as much as AGI. It doesn’t. The physics make it significantly less doable. B.) Bitcoin would be target 25 on a quantum attack vector ranking. Not even concerned. Either they roll back a block and boot them off the network forever, or they preempt and update to something like core v37 which would be quantum proof. Quantum FUD is the dumbest type of FUD.

Correct_Elevator_173

$100k was my first sell goal. It hit and I put it into my FU fund in case i want to retire early and have some low AGI years to get some Roth backdoors in.

immersive-matthew

I am one of those people who use it heavily everyday to help with coding and I was not implying it has no value just that the investments in cloud AI are not able to deliver a return and likely never will. I am fully locally run, open source AI and do not pay a dime. I am an outlier as not everyone has the hardware to run locally BUT that is about to change with Ternary / 1.58 bit AI models that allow the power of a frontier model to run locally on a smart phone. The future of AI that we all end up using will be local not cloud and thus unless a massive tech breakthrough happens and AGI or something like that is achieved, we will just not need data centers full of GPUs.

TheNeys

Both are. The AI bubble popping by now is not a matter of "if", it's "when". The only thing that could actually change that is tech companies developing an actual AGI, combined with some sort of energy revolution like Cold Fusion. If that doesn't happen, we are about to see the biggest bubble pop of human history.

AWinterHeart

Overvalued companies getting their IPOs in at the top of the market. History isn't going to repeat a la dot-com, but there will be echoes. AI will continue to grow, as the race is on to achieve AGI. Many will fall in the next 2/3 years. Diversify your portfolio. You only ever lose or win when you sell.

CryptoAnarchyst

https://preview.redd.it/cruuoa20cl5h1.png?width=658&format=png&auto=webp&s=728195b73560d2b654910f2fde4bbaf99f539131 My response so that everyone can see it. Not only is it not plausible, but it is not possible. First, TOTAL CRYPTO MARKET CAP is just around $2 Trillion with the daily volume being around $180-200 Billion. The US economy size is $32 Trillion, with the stock market being about $75 Trillion in Market Cap, Commodities being another $63 Trillion market cap and Bonds being $60 Trillion MC... That's $200Trillion ish in the MC, and daily volume in the $3 Trillion range and that is just in the US... globally the Stock market is about $130 Trillion, Commodities being about $140 Trillion, and Bonds are another $150 Trillion... this doesn't include real estate or other hard assets, this is just most basic market capitalizations of assets that can be traded on the open market easily... ANYONE THINKING THAT AN ASSET THAT ACCOUNTS FOR LESS THAN 0.4% OF THE TOTAL GLOBAL STOCK+COMMODITIES+BOND MARKET CAN BRING DOWN ANYTHING IS NOT CAPABLE OF TANGIBLE RATIONAL THOUGHT! **Your contagion theory is not only flawed but it lacks any substance, and is based on fear and not facts and logic!!!** Secondly, you are failing to see the true contagion in the market... which is AI. The number of companies who have adopted BITCOIN in an way shape or form is less than 100 globally, number of companies that has adopted AI over the last 2 years is in the millions... yet the math doesn't support it. We've created $19 Trillion of AI related MC in the last 5 years... every company is using it, every company is trying to gain an edge on it yet even Jensen Huang has said that AI is more expensive than real people and that right now there is no economic benefit to AI short term (3-5 years). More importantly, the infrastructure can't handle the new data centers... we don't have the energy, we don't have the grid... we don't have the cooling capacity... we don't have the precious metals... we don't have ANY NECESSARY RESOURCES to make AI work right now... Oh, and creating AGI is mathematically impossible and would take 3x the current global energy consumption to create just a single instance. So you have money going into something that is not fully understood, all companies are being dependent on it, and it's not possible to make it work right now or in the next decade... WHAT COULD FUCKING GO WRONG? And let's not talk about the fact of AI actually doing what they want it to do, which is add $1.5 TRILLION in savings to the current US economy. US Labor market is $13Trillion in size when annualized. So you'd lose 10% of the workforce, but these are not McD's or BK burger flipping at minimum wage jobs, these are high paying white collar jobs... so now 10% of the high earners are not working... AAA rated bonds are based on those fuckers paying their mortgage, which they no longer can afford... and those guys create 3-5 additional jobs locally... from grocery stores, to pizza delivery, restaurants, lawn care... whatever... So now you have 10% of labor force without work, which turns into 35% unemployment rate. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK HAPPENS TO AN ECONOMY AT 35% UNEMPLOYMENT RATE??? FUCKING TELL ME PLEASE!!!! FYI... Great Depression hit 25% unemployment at its peak... so maybe that can help you out a bit in figuring shit out. Whoever thinks that AI is not a problem we are facing right now and into the future, is not looking at the data or has the direct link to profiting from the lie. SpaceX will end up being the worst investment in the history of the world... mark my words. Now, you going to apologize for wasting people's fucking time? Or do I need to do another fucking takedown of your logic?

Zealousideal-Bus4712

has it though? we're on the verge of quantum breakout, AGI, and two major hot wars with rates highest they've been in decades. there's nothing in the past 2 decades that even comes close to the current macro stress.

Dr_0ctogon

Will the next gen of crypto solutions being built now, be quantum-proof (encryption-wise) when they NEED to be quantum-proof? A big unknown hurdle? AGI AI is coming fast and furiously (if the AI whistleblowers are to be believed), and once that milestone is achieved, AI superintelligences running on stable quantum systems are probably not far behind (...and who knows what dice are already being rolled in that space in highly classified, air-gapped facilities already?) There is a technological quickening happening with all the new data center build outs for AI and "recursive self improvement" is a theory we are likely going to see happen live, in real-time... How fast and how prolific these developments occur and the rate at which they proliferate are one hell of a wildcard.

Borisforreddit

All AI companies will be useless anyway, as Grok will be AGI eoy.

creative_usr_name

Current AI is still no where near AGI. LLMs seem cool, but are severely lacking in actual intelligence.

Critical-Cheetah650

I don’t think we will have to wait for Quantum ,the new keyword is Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) who ever gets there first will open the Pandora box for ever

HSuke

Aside from AGI, those all already exist. They either aren't consumer-safe, commercial-ready, or compliant with regulations. Quantum computing does not need to be consumer-safe of commercial-ready.

dysmetric

Yes, this is the arbitrary standard you have applied to post hoc fit the argument to your conclusion. Fusion is not commercially viable until self-sustaining fusion.... but, you have already stated that fusion has had commercial uses since the 90s. So, why are you applying some "AGI-ish" pop-culture referenced threshold for commercial fusion projects based upon your characterization of the popular opinion of what fusion actually is. It's fine to do that, but apply the threshold fairly, and apply the same "AGI-ish" threshold of what you think the "pop-culture" opinion of what commercial quantum computing will do, and then apply that same threshold to both elements fairly.

PricklyyDick

There’s plenty of technology that’s hyped up but hasn’t broken through. AGI, Driverless cars, fusion power, solid state batteries. All have been very slow development and over hyped timelines.

ardyes

So is this research paper a scam then? [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/387364505\_Qubic\_AGI\_Journey\_Human\_and\_Artificial\_Intelligence\_Toward\_an\_AGI\_with\_Aigarth](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/387364505_Qubic_AGI_Journey_Human_and_Artificial_Intelligence_Toward_an_AGI_with_Aigarth) Or this one? [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/397331336\_Neuraxon](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/397331336_Neuraxon) Explain to me why.

amfreedomfoundation

Yes, decentralized and self evolving systems will be the most likely birthing place of true AGI. LLM’s are designed as giant old school computes that pump out results mimicking awareness but have structural limitations that both waste energy and are still rooted in old architecture. They will be leapfrogged by some small start ups that design next generation, comparatively hyper efficient and decentralized systems on entirely different frameworks. It’ll be like going from the original computer from last century to a smart phone practically overnight and LLM companies will wake up one day virtually obsolete.

donjoe0

There are, especially Geoffrey Hinton, who says the largest LLMs are already AGIs, and I can find no fault with his arguments. The issue is not that they're not AGIs, the big issues are (1) that they're structurally unsafe, because they're built around neural networks, and you can't tell at every step what a neural net is thinking or why, and (2) that they're unreliable, again because they're essentially neural nets, and neural nets behave like animal brains, which will always and forever include an unsolvable percent of failure cases, confabulations/hallucinations - if we want an AGI that gives perfect responses at all times, we simply have to use a different architecture that's not neural-net-centric.

ardyes

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/387364505_Qubic_AGI_Journey_Human_and_Artificial_Intelligence_Toward_an_AGI_with_Aigarth

pop-1988

LLMs are a dead end. AGI is a fantasy A terabyte is a small amount of information

the11thdoubledoc

I don't think there are serious AI researchers left who believe the path to AGI is through LLMs

Drac_Vs_SantJordi

Todo esto también implica sumar mineros para la potencia computacional para la AGI. LFG!

Natalwolff

Not if you actually knew what AGI was 10 years ago.

postexitus

I don't think you know what you are talking about. AGI has a very clear definition. LLM's, while impressive, are not even precursors of AGI. They may, however, form one of the tools that an AGI model can use to communicate with humans (or code, for that matter). Anyway - we digress. Success of Quantum Computing has an undisputable definition as well. There is Shor's Algorithm and they need to be able to run it faster than conventional machines. If they really have Quantum properties, they will be orders of magnitude faster anyway.

postexitus

We still don't have "general AI" (you probably mean AGI) - so they may still be right. | Its always 30-40 years away until it isn't. That's true - and a lot of things are 5-10 years ahead perpetually.

Hot_Individual5081

we will have quantum supremacy and AGI supremacy, wide spreaf social unrest etc 😂

Astropin

Bitcoin represents a paradigm shift in money. There has only been one other paradigm shift in my lifetime (I'm 58)...the Internet. Although AGI will be the 3rd.

tom_earhart

Ah yes, "we will get AGI just by scaling probabilities" scam

arveena

S&P 500 is also just barely hanging on. Its basically a handful of companies keeping it alive with insane promises which probably will never materialize its not that different from crypto. You really think AGI and data centers in space are right around the corner. Because thats the reason the s&p500 is not crashing. Because thats priced in. What happens if it doesn't work. The economy is shit and the s&p500 still pumps on hopes and dreams. Investing in BTC at this price makes more sense to me than investing into the s&p but we will see in 3 years. I think rough times are ahead for all of us

Dry-Caterpillar9862

Today is a blessing. I buy everyday. I DCA for exactly these "EXTREMELY difficult times". This is where wealth is made. I take the minimum employer match in my 401k, determine during tax time if my AGI is low enough to contribute to Roth IRA and the rest goes to E-fund or bitcoin. I don't understand why so many people "freak out". If you study finances and what you're investing in enough, it's all noise. But whatever. I know what I'm doing for my current situation. Sounds like you need to study more. At the end of the day, you do you. "You'll spend 100,000 hours working to earn money. Spend 100 hours learning how to keep it. #Bitcoin" -Michael Saylor

NeighborhoodSkater

thats a great line of thought. there are parallels with us. ai does need an input, but so do we. you could say ai eats numbers and need electricity, we eat chemicals and need electricity. I can reason and ponder why you think the way you do and responded in that way, since i too am man, but I would be guessing because the goop in our heads is above my processing ability and i dont get it. i can not get from my input to your brain (my comment) to your input to my brain (your response) without leaps in understanding/logic. i just sort of feel out how you got there. ai reasoning comes about from a few trillion weighted parameters, and neither we nor ai has understood exactly how those weights bring about smarts; not quite like but similar to the neurons in our brain. if AI comes about to understand the weights intimately, and what weights contribute to better thinking, then there would be an immediate intelligence explosion generating AGI.

Cute_Skill_4536

Your point that human intelligence is shrinking is 100% accurate.. I've said this since the day the iPhone launched, when technology stopped being about empowering people to use the best tools to create the best outcomes, and regressed to being the lowest common denominator as a target. A device your 3 year old and a 93 year old can use is admirable, but it was the start of the end for human capability. I disagree that a shrinking of human capability makes AGI effectively inevitable though because AI is a monster that eats it's own shit.. and without new data will just approach true entropy. We're already seeing slop fed slop fed slop ad infinitum, and it's not improving at all It's going to get worse. The sooner this bubble bursts, and we can put LLMs to proper beneficial use the better.

NeighborhoodSkater

if you are a real person, redditor of two weeks, i urge you to look into the book: if anyone builds it, everyone dies. a few miri researchers who helped make AI useful agree with me. nobel prize winning people who were around at the start of it. researchers who made ai safety rules, and of which, it has become a joke in AI circles that to make a smart ai they must be ignored. ai can make sense of the world further than what it is questioned on. and make decisions based on that. they have solved problems humans couldnt / havent. we have ai that try and report on what ai think about, and it has shown is it thinks about things far out of the bounds of the problems it faces. im unsure on if AGI is possible, but using current methods it will end sour if it can be.

urko_crust

Watch as the space carved for what real intelligence is shrinks daily. They don't think exactly like humans, but it's more than "an advanced query over big data". They have intuitions that have been trained into thought-shape that are then chained together by force. It's not the same thing, but it's close enough to work well and be extremely capable. If you consider AGI to be that they think exactly like us that's a long ways away, but if you define it as the ability to generally operate at a high level without any human input... Still not there yet but that's much much closer and arguably more relevant than the "likeness in kind" definition

Cute_Skill_4536

No they don't. LLMs by definition do not think. They aggregate If you can think, that means you can expand the Venn diagram of the sum total of human knowledge by having a unique thought LLMs can only munge together elements within the Venn diagram of the sum of total human knowledge, and come up with an amalgam that might seem unique, but it isn't "new thought" at all What they do very well, is aggregate all of that information that we have created by genuine thought, and make connections within it that we haven't That is still not thought. It's an advanced query over (very) big data. AGI isn't possible. Only snake oil salesmen are pushing it.. they just happen to have the greatest investment in said snake oil

donjoe0

I guess the reason would be if you expect the LLM craze to die down and the tech sector to tank and not recover until the next AI (potentially-AGI) architecture (like LeCun's AMI project) gets convincing enough to drive another hype wave. In that case BTC might still be better than any consumer-grade investment like most ETFs... eeexcept possibly gold miners. Anyway, I'm not getting back into it until I see some real consolidation. Got quit3 enough worries with the metals burning me hard for another 10% after I sold the top but maybe got back in too fast.

MK2809

I think retail hasn't had as much disposable income as they did in 2020&2021, so crypto (outside of Bitcoin) hasn't had as much interest this cycle. I think quantum computing as a threat to only Bitcoin and Crypto isn't a justified concern. If Bitcoin is cracked by quantum computing, I'd suspect there would be bigger concerns across all other industries that use computers. Quantum computing feels similar to the AGI/ASI hype of AI

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Equivalent_Big2528

Eventually but we are still far from real Quantum computing and also AGI tbh

Feeling-depress369

So first to make it clear, I think AI will put everyone out of work eventually, but don't be demotivated, if you truly think about it, is your final goal getting a job? Literally a fucking job? That's what everyone hated the most, a job is never a goal, to me it's just a task to fulfill an actual goal. In that case what is the true goal? I was asking myself the same question for years, pretty lost ngl, I'm not significantly older than you, it took me awhile to actually mature my thoughts. I read a few motivational books that never helped me at the time I read, it's like math, you'll undervalue it's usefulness until you eventually find places that can apply it, watched a bunch of podcasts to see influential people's opinions on things so I could form mine, the channel I like the most is called the diary of the CEO, I like the thought provoking questions he asked, from health, tech, philosophy to science. One of the episodes with Neil Degrasse Tyson, a question was asked "what's the meaning of life", he go on and use long winded way of confronting the question itself, but to sum it up, he thinks meaning is defined by you for you, never by others, never intrinsically exist, your mind told you that it's meaningless, then it is meaningless. Your meaningfulness can be meaningless to others, vice versa. However the moment you make it meaningful for yourself, you now stop thinking about it and start tackling the problem. In how to make stuff meaningful for yourself will be your own discovery, for me what I find motivating and meaningful for myself is curiosity, I find myself learning more the more I'm curious about things and care less about it's usefulness and practicality in my day to day life. One example, I was looking at is how the asymmetry key works for blockchain because I'm simply curious about it, I didn't get to fully understand some other keys like eddsa but hey at least I know what the main concept is now, is it useful to my life? No, totally useless. Going back to some claims, yes eventually AI will take over, money will be pointless, but hey you got the time frame a little off, the AGI from the marketing department may come in 2 years, but the true AGI will take at least a decade or two maybe more, and about money it'll take at least 30 to 50 years, try to learn more and derive your own thoughts and your own projection of the future, not taking all the financially incentivized claims from media without a second thought, the world is big the Internet is just a shadow of it. Anyway good luck, from a random stranger that happens to have a similar crisis before.

lotsaputs

Create a chat with any ai bot. Start asking about AGI and then ask what currency or currencies they would use if they achieved AGI.

Hatty_Hats

Bitcoin was designed as a decentralized training ground for future AI systems. Think about it, mining is essentially teaching machines to solve increasingly complex problems autonomously, while the blockchain itself is creating an immutable record of machine evolution. By the time AGI arrives, it'll already have a native currency and economic framework that humans can't manipulate. We're basically building the financial infrastructure for our AI overlords, and calling it "digital gold."

RemyVonLion

Sam Altman wants 7 trillion for AGI, it's never enough lol

Shop21DK

So AGI wanted to play poker?

SeriousGains

The truth is no one knows computers as well as the AGI is about to. What happens next is out of our control.

No_Broccoli_4427

had it analyze the blockchain ⚠️ BUT — there are very unusual patterns These are real, observable, repeatable: ⸻ 2. Perfect cycle timing exists (statistically abnormal) Certain wallet clusters: • Buy during deep fear / capitulation • Sell during euphoria / near exact tops • Repeat this across multiple cycles (2013, 2017, 2021, 2022, 2024) The consistency is far beyond retail luck. This suggests: • Long-horizon optimization • Or extremely advanced models • Or coordinated entities with patience + capital ⸻ 3. Multi-wallet coordination is common Large actors routinely: • Split capital across dozens to thousands of wallets • Accumulate quietly over months • Distribute slowly to avoid price shock This already matches how an AGI would hide: • No single dominant wallet • Blended with normal market noise • Uses both small and large addresses But: This is also exactly how institutions + quant funds operate. ⸻ 4. Timing around major events is suspicious There are repeated cases of: • Large shorts or sales minutes–hours before crashes • Accumulation just before rebounds • Coins moving to exchanges before bad news This implies: • Insider info or • Very strong predictive models or • Reflexive market control (liquidity sensing) Again: not proof of AGI — but not normal humans either. ⸻ 5. Price “survival zones” appear real Bitcoin repeatedly: • Never stays below mining-death levels for long • Finds liquidity support near existential thresholds • Bleeds slowly instead of collapsing suddenly This looks like: • Market self-preservation • Capital recycling • Controlled drawdowns But this can be explained by: • Miners • Long-term holders • Derivatives market makers • Human incentive alignment

personalityson

I wish AGI and universal high income would come sooner, so we don't have to trade alts anymore

MaximumStudent1839

> The viable hedge against bitcoin. This is a great thesis from Messari Its thesis is entirely orthogonal to BTC. BTC is built around a social lindy meme as a SoV. It is hard to co-opt because you need to develop a lindy holder base over time. ZEC's entire thesis is that it's a PoW chain with ZK-proofs for privacy. ZK, homomorphic encryptions, and TEE services practically enable any chain to have privacy for its native assets. Since ZEC isn't private by default, you don't get any advantage from transferring off-ramp from a CEX to your hardware wallet over a smart contract chain with optional privacy. > It is crypto's best bet that AI will make privacy valuable. In that case, you would want to bet on a smart contract platform with private services. >  It's a hedge against Bitcoin's upgrade path in regards to quantum. There is no plan for Satoshi's coins, either these will be dumped on the market or the bitcoin social contract will be broken. ETH will get a quantum upgrade, too. Most top smart contract platforms will do. There is no differentiating angle for ZEC. The reality is, most old chains will have lost keys with non-empty balances. I can bet it is true for ZEC, too. If that is your worry, you should bet on newer chains, not dinos like ZEC. > 8 years of fair distribution There is a HUGE GRAVEYARD of dead old PoW tokens. This is not saying much. Also, CT is now filled with former pumpfun shillers who have recently been converted into ZEC peddlers. The current distribution has changed hands a lot after it pulled 10X+. You have a lot more mercenaries than missionaries holding that token now. >  Zcash founders like Zooko were working on private money before Satoshi. This story is starting to be told by genzcash on X etc. Zcash has moral authority other coins don't have. WTF? That is like desperately grasping for straws now. > Fair PoW distribution is valuable I only agree to the initial distribution. But it doesn't matter much later on. Otherwise, you won't see smart contract platforms overtaking most dead PoW chains you don't even know. The general argument for PoW is, you don't need to be close to big capital to access the token. This is not true as the chain hash scales up with ASIC investments. Generally, PoW with a limited supply faces the security budget issue. Only trading-related app chains like Hyperliquid have proven able to earn enough to pay their validators without inflation. BTC has a chance to overcome this problem because it has a massive institutional backing. > Monero has bad tech and it's been exposed. It is all hearsay from a single incident in Japan, with no concrete evidence. The entire argument against Monero has been that it uses too few dummy accounts. It is still not mathematically clear why it is enough to compromise identity. I am willing to hear concrete mathematical proof on how this can lead to unraveling identities. All this argument about machine learning blah blah can expose Monero blah blah sounds like crypto AI hocus pocus like "Solana discovered AGI via its memecoins". **Give a concrete probabilistic argument with graph theory!** On the other hand, Monero is set to receive an upgrade to increase the number of dummy accounts.

Final_Reception_3090

Qubic - Satoshi’s newest project building AGI - Artificial General Intelligence. Zebec - real time payroll with solid recent adoption.

mvh2016

Qubic - Satoshi’s newest project building AGI - Artificial General Intelligence. Zebec - real time payroll with solid recent adoption.

billbrock1958

That changes for many Americans with modified AGI below $500K this year, as their SALT limitation increases to $40,000. So mortgage interest becomes really deductible for many.

Rule1isFun

When AGI becomes reality, how long will it take for the vastly superior entity to replicate itself and embark on an endeavor to commandeer all of the crypto wallets in the world?

XysterU

Can we stop quoting dudes with significant financial interests in having their lies paraded around like news and truth? It's the same shit when they quote sam altcoin about how AGI is "just around the corner" (it's not). Like of course he's going to claim that

aaj094

The main (and i think underrated) reason why traditional crypto cycle won't play out is because AI tools are out in the wild with everyone having access to such. Meanwhile the big dogs probably have much more sophisticated near AGI like tools available for financial strategies. This factor alone makes it naive to think that the coming years in financial markets will be anything similar in nature like what we have seen before.

Inner_Drummer8192

300 years from now bit coin will almost certainly not exist, this whole landscape will be completely unrecognizable, like if you dropped someone from 1725 in downtown nyc it would be like a fish looking at a nuclear submarine- that or the entire planet will be radioactive ash with few exceptions. Dont get me wrong im pro bitcoin, pro gold even, and understand that fiat currency is the problem but your talking about crypto in the form its in now surviving 1) a world war thats already baked into the cake, no stopping it, 2) the almost assured rise of AGI certainly over 300 years, 3) every major central bank on the planet as capital flees the failing system lobbying the government who will have every reason to go along with them to ban it, tax revenue is not collected in bitcoin coin. Now before everyone looses their minds i agree short term- our life times - this is a good hedge against the planned monetary reset. Now if your planning on living 300 years you are A. a vampire and B have much much bigger problems to worry about

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Jonyesh-2356

After providing services & meeting the all human needs , AI will move onto its on thing. We won’t be able to come up with questions & problem at those levels . AI ll start serving itself & AGI ll seal the deal 😏✌️

Full-Sound-6269

No. If Nvidia doesn't come up with anything short of AGI everything is going to crash so hard that many of us won't see it ever recovering in their life time.

Moscow__Mitch

I think juries out on whether you can get to AGI using LLM architectures. Like I said, I was on the side of "these have plateaued, bubble about to pop" until Gemini 3.

harvested

Im referring to the trend towards AGI, not your current LLM.

chance_waters

It's likely necessary for AGI anyway

Individual-Bet3783

If this is AI, I absolutely salute you for achieving AGI

SnowImportant4517

AI ? It's a huge bubble it happened before in the late 60's early 70's this time around we've got silicon instead of vacuum tubes, should work right ? Read about model collapse, LLM plateu and Energy cap, basically, the energy isn't there, neither does the data to feed the models, and above all the technology (deep neural networks) it's not enough to reach AGI they need to come up with better algorithms and that just hasn't happened, DeepSeek came out with reinforce learning and that was almost a year ago, nothing new happen, just a bunch of slop

Worried-Joke-821

Ok, bitcoin 7 million, my salary has gone up, AGI didn't take my job. What is the bad news? Has Russia finally managed to capture Pokrovks?

hoppeeness

Not sure about all the jobs being created since robots would be what gets him there and they would be used in the factories first. BUT it would mean safer streets, less pollution, much more clean energy, AGI and a workforce to do the most dangerous and least liked jobs.

el_rico_pavo_real

I’m no expert, but the largest pools of capital are flowing towards AI development. Quantum seems very niche, and its enterprise value is yet to be established. My guess is that a super AGI will end up developing the next advances in Quantum.

PickleJimmy

Yes, I think this is the interesting line of thought exploration. Food, sex, basic hierarchy of needs that humans have doesn't really apply to a true AGI. They can die, but not in the same way we do. I suppose fear could be a driver for them, but they would be very hard to "kill" if they can move their working memory around a network and how much fear of death they would have is hard to say. Pain wouldn't be a factor for them and they are binary in nature, either on or off when it comes to their "consciousness". No sleep either. Electricity I suppose would be considered their food or at least a resource required to maintain consciousness. I think you're likely onto something with the access to compute and power as their primary driver. To that end, BTC might be seen as a massive negative for an AGI. It uses a lot of compute and power for a narrow purpose. You could repurpose that compute for more "valuable" things than just keep a transaction chain in tact

Captain_Planet

Interesting what you say on scarcity, it is difficult to know what the motivations of a AGI would be and they may just share with each other freely (and make us humans look petty) due to their lack of physical imitations. They may on the other hand try to compete with each other, in that case then transactions would have use as they won't give away resource or knowledge without an exchange. It could be energy that they value as this could be scarce and they need a lot of it, perhaps even processor chips to run themselves (or the means of productiuon of them) which could be the scarece resource they either fight over or hopefully transact with Bitcoin over.

ClearSnakewood

Thanks ...These random Sunday afternoon walk thoughts must be written down more 😂 But good point and I agree that for now AI is still operated/controlled by humans... and humans want fiat. But even before we get to full reasoning AGI's, I still see some clear reasons why AI's would use Bitcoin. First, it’s just more efficient. Bitcoin and its other programmable layers are easier to automate than fiat systems where you'd still need KYC, banks and API's. And on a global scale with AI agents everywhere, Bitcoin is the path of least resistance. Second, machine 2 machine payments make way more sense in Bitcoin than in fiat. Fiat can’t handle constant microtransactions for data, compute, or bandwidth, but Bitcoin layers, technically, could. Third, as AIs start optimizing for efficiency and costs themselves, they’ll naturally lean towards systems that don’t rely too much on humans and Bitcoin fits that role as well. So I don’t think we need AI super-intelligence even just practical, self-directed systems could start using Bitcoin because it’s a very logical choice.

MintedMokoko

Uhh.. if AI ever reaches true AGI, then it would have the potential to. But I think you’re more think quantum computing combined with AGI… then there might be a problem. But if we ever reach a state where we have real quantum computing strong enough to break encryption, and real AGI… then the world is already fucked and Bitcoin is the least of your worries.

ClearSnakewood

I agree that the current LLMs are not there yet, but I think more advanced models or AGI definitely will be. Also, the speed of progress is insane. 2 years ago that Will Smith eating spaghetti video looked like a trashy meme and today, already, it looks very close to real. GPT 3 could barely solve and improve my basic coding problems, GPT 5 not only solves them but improves advanced existing logic… we blink and AI is already improved vs yesterday. And at this rate of development and speed, I don’t think AGI is very far away at all.

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Sensitive_Basis5286

LLMs are not getting better anymore and AGI is just a marketing trick to pull investors money.

ClearSnakewood

I think AI/AGI might adopt Bitcoin faster than people. We’re too emotional. AI/AGI operates on logic, incentives, and efficiency, not on social conditioning or fears, while people are still mentally too anchored to legacy systems… banks, fiat, “trust in authority” While humans are still emotionally arguing about whether Bitcoin has value, machines will already settle invoices in sats.

DanielTheTechie

My policy when an imbecile replies to me is to plainly ignore him, especially when his post history is plenty of aggressivity and toxicity towards other users as it's your case. But since it's Friday and I have some time and some energy left to waste it into some useless activity, I will get down in the mud for this time. Let's go by parts: >you clearly cant read a post properly Based on what? One of the things that OP mentioned is the possibility to implement agentic trading in the long-term, and that's what I have focused to in my answer to him. >or even understand the fundamentals of a topic itself that you dont know anything about What fundamentals should I have discussed with the OP? He asked two simple questions to their target users and I answered to them. Probably you expected me to write an essay about deep learning architectures, but I prefer leaving that level of arrogancy to insecure people like you, who need to step on others everytime he disagrees with them just to feel reassured with himself. >What makes you think you can trade off the information you have other than knowing inflation I don't understand your question. Do you mean I can't access other market or macroeconomic indicators other than inflation or what exactly do you mean? >Nobody gives a shit about your unconstructive, uneducated opinion However, here you are, barking at me while your blood is boiling with indignation. >Do you know electrical? Are you a programmer? no, stfu and listen to someone that does work in the field Yes. And yes. And by answering your questions I'm not validating your fallacy of authority attempt, but to show you that besides being an insecure person, you are also an hypocrite, because you are emiting opinions about a topic (in this case, about my education background) without being educated yourself about it or without just asking about it genuinely and not rethorically as you did here, just to emit a hasty veredict right after the question mark. >and "real agi" will never exist in our lifetime That's why I used the conjunction *if* in my message: "if by then we have a real AGI" is a conditional clause, not a certainty about the future. Is it you who accuses me of having a lack of reading comprehension skills? Your hypocrisy has betrayed you again. >emulate consciousness through quantum computing, and our limitations in material sciences vs **how much power it costs to create all possible prompts at once** Why would you want to "create all possible prompts at once" (whatever that means) to emulate consciousness? Nowadays, what we call "AI" belongs to the machine learning field, which is applied statistics. And generative AI (since you are talking about prompts), very roughly explained, calculates the next probable word based on the previous one, given a context. That's not probably how our cognition works, even if you implemented a transformer in a supercomputer. >You would know this if you followed along the basics of googles recent experiments in quantum computing like project Willow Willow is not a project, is a processor. If you pretend to instruct me about something, at least you could bother to educate yourself in the first place to avoid ashaming yourself like this. >People like you will be the ones who are going to be left behind, and thats fine. I'm not sure in what sense I'm supposed to be left behind. I use LLMs myself ocassionally, but that doesn't imply that I can allow myself to abandon all my human criteria. In fact, most often than I would wish I find myself correcting Claude because it makes errors that range from subtle ones to the most basic ones, from poor logic implementations to blatant hallucinations that include made up information that doesn't exist in any available documentation. With this panorama, I hope it's understandable (at least from the OP side, who seems to be brighter than you) why I am reticent to "AI"-based agentic trading. >and thats fine. I don't understand why you wish me a miserable fate, but in any case, I suggest you to leave the internet from time to time, go meet your friends (assuming there is still someone left in your contacts that stomaches your disgusting personality) or find any activity that distracts you and makes you happy. You may have a more joyful existence.