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CointestMod

#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://forum.pol... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

CNNJDream

Thank you for your response. I apologize if my initial explanation was not clear enough. Allow me to provide more details about the underlying principles of Bitcoin addresses and the specific issue I am facing. In the Bitcoin system, an address is derived from a public key, which in turn is generated from a private key. The process typically follows these steps: A private key is generated, which is a random 256-bit number. The corresponding public key is derived from the private key using elliptic curve cryptography (specifically, the secp256k1 curve). The public key is then hashed using the SHA-256 and RIPEMD-160 algorithms to create a 160-bit hash. This hash is then encoded using Base58Check encoding, which includes a version byte and a checksum, resulting in the final Bitcoin address. In my case, an issue arose during step 2. When generating the public key, the first character of the first 32 hexadecimal characters of the public key was 0. This led to the first 8 bits of the public key being 0, effectively making it a 248-bit public key instead of the expected 256 bits. Despite this, the incorrect 248-bit public key was used to generate a Bitcoin address following steps 3 and 4. This address ended up receiving some bitcoins. Later, I used the same private key to generate the correct 256-bit public key and derived a different Bitcoin address from it. However, the bitcoins that were sent to the first address (derived from the incorrect 248-bit public key) are not accessible using the private key directly, as the Bitcoin system associates those funds with the incorrect public key and address. To further illustrate this, consider the two examples I provided: Example 1: PrivateKeyHexStr: 1D179D45DF2F02271CD4DAA1114B7226480BBF3DA62D94081CC6228C950F3300 Incorrect Public Key (248 bits): 2C3D118366F853F7A7FCD0E0506A87FD1ED7AD7E19103059A85C0FA8ADED85 Incorrect Address: 13mpPh9UMtSN54GTbjj4ht7S3hzCPhmmVA Example 2: PrivateKeyHexStr: 08C5F27C4B0522975583AE6BAE67B2155F5339BA040693335D4A2C4A0A213726 Incorrect Public Key (248 bits): BEC0F8B027D6333EFBBCC87ABD1C2912AB052DE99F391DB3E3EE1EF50708DD Incorrect Address: 14z6wZb4uGE1iT9osbQGMW75iNS1awCGSe In both cases, the incorrect public keys and addresses were generated due to the leading 0 in the public key, causing them to be 248 bits instead of 256 bits. I hope this clarifies the issue I am facing. I am looking for ways to recover the bitcoins that were sent to the addresses derived from these incorrect public keys, given that I have the corresponding private keys. If you have any further questions or need more information, please let me know. I greatly appreciate your interest and any help you can provide.

CointestMod

#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://forum.pol... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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CointestMod

#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://forum.pol... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

CointestMod

#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://forum.pol... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

mrkandid

Some of us “idiots” look forward to any other snippets of brilliance you can share. Let’s ignore various realities for the average “idiot “ trying to participate in crypto while some leaders in crypto themselves still get scammed for millions, $112M even. https://techcrunch.com/2024/01/31/hackers-steal-112-million-of-xrp-ripple-cryptocurrency/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9zZWFyY2guYnJhdmUuY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAChlkp92yICLwcgAeAc_9GlWKqsnXMl3aOEuJ8fbbBaM67hlqsJKx5G5oAbCf1nheeGy16qu71CgMGwTFppgb3GBiQDKpxzK0zrCKry3emnIUEogJG3Do_XZK2vMP3wksPnLCfp9jYukBmhlYOPHyNoBrYam2es9DF7pQiYdb88J https://x.com/zachxbt/status/1752694489905528943?s=20 -This kinda of response reminds me of the “id**ts” on their command line green screens in the old days of the Internet, you know, back when tcp was a baby, who used to flame the Internet nubies and folks using Windows because they derived self esteem from their apparent brilliance on the command line…..funny thing was, these nubies were actually trying to deliver real value to the world instead of trying to show off in an effort to appear relevant in their obscure existence. -Anyway, it will not be news to anyone that many folks trying to participate in crypto won’t know a lot about the deeper technical details in this arena, but at least they are trying to help. - while the advice to scrupulously check every one of the 32 to 44 characters in a Solana address is while in the heat of a limit order on a dex, or a swap, etc is sound, it’s not always possible and if the experts at Ripple and other crypto orgs can still get hacked, it just shows how difficult this all is. All that said, I appreciate that you and all the others actually took time out to respond. Much appreciated.

Manikhas

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Adamantinian

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Adamantinian

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CointestMod

#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://forum.pol... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://forum.pol... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://forum.pol... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://forum.pol... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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Not too sure, probably some sort of centralised mechanism? But it’s different from Dark Fusion. DF is proposing a peer to peer decentralised node system where smart contracts are hosted and commands are validated, and validators are rewarded for verifying contract states.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://forum.pol... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://forum.pol... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by a deleted user. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://forum.pol... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by Maleficent_Plankton. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://foru... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by Maleficent_Plankton. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://foru... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by Maleficent_Plankton. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://foru... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by Maleficent_Plankton. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://foru... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by Maleficent_Plankton. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://foru... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

milltay

Just sent out 1700VC (~40$) to each address that commented. 0xdc12ABe8a2B811715A00D3fA1EbF3318775d9B58 0x81AFdB76Bd774F0e766fE2079d73dd45cf6a6EFE 0xbB84d01C6d5993e8ddafB3fe53A8E221cFaFA98d 0xdc12ABe8a2B811715A00D3fA1EbF3318775d9B58 0x78898b9d9BBe7729e5197e6948505273b03379DF 0xFf99529A1A79bD8c3daadBa20ef1d5D92d2A282B 0x937f54999aa05caf4a28808acfb3f74b552aa1dd 0xEf874F607E815e4A26dEb573B3FDBB2C5a1A51d1 0xb83FFc73ABb50B9bf340dF0218dd743390cF673F 0x534CA8E9a77e90557c3a81aF89A9B64D7D86D03A Thank you to all who participated and I hope this helps, if just a little bit, with all of the stuff that has happened recently with moons.

HoneyudewIT

Q1. like the feeless, no-fee framework and the promised speeds of VinuChain - what projects and partners are lining up to build and grow with the ecosystem? Q2. what's the size of the typical VinuChain developer grant? Q3. how does VinuChain address security and spamming risks in a different way to avoid the never-ending problems with other blockchains like sol and eth? TY! 0x78898b9d9BBe7729e5197e6948505273b03379DF

CointestMod

#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by Maleficent_Plankton. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://foru... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

CointestMod

#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by Maleficent_Plankton. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://foru... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

MakeItRelevant

I'm engaging with veOCEAN for a good time and now I'm participating in Challenge DF.

CointestMod

#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by Maleficent_Plankton. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://foru... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

nzubemush

ATOM. I have had enough, met my target. No more DCA. I'm getting there too with OCEAN, then I'll bank on data challenges and DF for earning more.

biba8163

> muh regulators bad Right beore the FTX crash Tom Emmer and 8 other members of Congress who received contributions from FTX wrote a letter to Gary Gensler and the SEC to stop investigating the crypto industry because it was a violation of the Paperwork Reduction Act. > It appears there has been a recent trend towards employing the Enforcement Division’s investigative functions to gather information from unregulated cryptocurrency and blockchain industry participants in a manner inconsistent with the Commission’s standards for initiating investigations. We have reason to believe these requests might be at odds with the Paperwork Reduction Act (PRA). - Tom Emmer in a letter to Gary Gensler https://emmer.house.gov/_cache/files/0/c/0c7fc863-7916-4b19-bc44-52bef772287e/9B0B9D1CA9B3C215DDC762DF5B0F6864.3.16.22.emmer.sec.letter.pdf

CointestMod

#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by Maleficent_Plankton. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://foru... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

diornov

Our escrow contract is fully open-source and can be reviewed on our GitHub repository: [GitHub Link](https://github.com/zenland-dao/contracts/blob/main/escrow/Escrow_v1.0.0.sol). It has been audited by QuillAudits, and the full report is available here: [QuillAudits Report](https://github.com/Quillhash/QuillAudit_Reports/blob/master/ZenLand%20Smart%20Contract%20Audit%20report%20-%20QuillAudits.pdf). We are open to additional audits and plan to engage more security firms for further scrutiny as we grow. The simplicity of our escrow contract is one of its strengths; it's designed to be easily understandable even for those without coding experience. Additionally, every time a contract is deployed by a buyer, Zenland automatically verifies and uploads the source code to the respective blockchain's scanner. For example, here is a [BSCScan link](https://bscscan.com/address/0xa2DF7F09984456daDCF9173d98C96a3166ce7bAD#code) for a contract I recently deployed for a $50 signature campaign on BitcoinTalk.

CointestMod

#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by Maleficent_Plankton. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://foru... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

nzubemush

So many projects disappointed me this bear period. But props to Ocean which kept going, developing weekly, the data challenges, weekly DF, products like Ocean Templates (for easy diy dapps) & Predictoor (for price prediction). This week alone, founder spoke a dappcon, and they have a meetup at Berlin Blockchain week. There's just so much going on, I even won a swag from one of their campaigns 2 months ago.

CointestMod

#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by Maleficent_Plankton. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://foru... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by Maleficent_Plankton. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://foru... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by Maleficent_Plankton. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://foru... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by Maleficent_Plankton. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://foru... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

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CointestMod

#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by Maleficent_Plankton. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://foru... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

CointestMod

#Polygon Con-Arguments Below is a Polygon con-argument written by Maleficent_Plankton. > ####**Has plenty of competitors, including itself** > > Currently, Polygon PoS is competing against optimistic L2 blockchains like Arbitrum One and Optimism. Arbitrum has nearly [2x the TVL as Polygon](https://defillama.com/chains), and Optimism has almost caught up. > > Polygon's future zkEVM rollup is also competing against other zkEVM rollups. Once its zkEVM is released, it's possible it's going to split the Polygon community between those who want to stay on the sidechain and those who want to use the zkEVM. **If you look at their [zkEVM testnet](https://explorer.public.zkevm-test.net/txs?block_number=143530&index=0&page_number=1&page_size=50&pages_limit=200), fees are paid in Ether, not MATIC.** That's bearish for MATIC token utility. > > **TVL has dropped considerably compared to L2s** > > One year ago back in Jan 2022, [Polygon TVL was $4.8B USD](https://defillama.com/chain/Polygon) while the combined [Layer 2 rollup TVL was $5.4B USD](https://l2beat.com/scaling/tvl). While L2 TVL has increased a little despite the bear market, Polygon's TVL has collapsed by 75% to $1.2B. > > **Growing dApp competition from L2 rollups** > > A year ago, Polygon PoS was unique in that it was the only network besides Ethereum that had OpenSea support. Now OpenSea supports a dozen different networks, including competing Layer 2 rollups networks like Optimism, Arbitrum One, and even Arbitrum Nova. So there's a lot more competition. > > **Declining social media support** > > With L2 rollups developing so quickly, many in the Ethereum community have turned against Polygon, creating a narrative that it's "just a sidechain", not a true Layer 2. > > The 0xPolygon subreddit has become more of a ghost town with noticeable amounts of spam posts. I don't think its mods are checking regularly anymore. > > ####**Less resistant to DDoS attacks and spam** > > Like all networks with low transaction fees, it's at risk of DDoS attacks. > > In early Jan 2022, [Sunflowers Farm \(SFF\) unintentionally DDoS-attacked the Polygon PoS network](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/01/06/polygon-under-accidental-attack-from-swarm-of-sunflower-farmers/) and completely congested the network because it was more profitable to play the game and spam transactions than pay network fees. Transaction fees shot up 20x. Eventually, a hacker exploited the SFF game and reduced its price to zero, and users rejoiced because it cleared the congestion. > > **It has a Gas Cartel** > > Spam attacks were eventually mitigated when the whole Polygon validator community chose to [lock priority fees at a 30 Gwei minimum](https://cryptoslate.com/polygon-matic-to-raise-gas-fee-to-30-gwei-to-prevent-spam-transactions/). That's not an offical part of protocol. Polygon validators have colluded off-chain and are running **gas cartel**, like OPEC. > > However, it still gets tons of spam transactions, which I have experienced first-hand many times. All my Polygon accounts with activity on them were randomly sent spam tokens and NFTs. Many of these tokens are part of scam that try to trick you into interacting with them by selling them. Other are advertising sketchy website links. > > This is the downside of having sub-penny transactions. > > ####**Still requires the Ethereum network** > > The Polygon PoS network is a side chain for Ethereum. Many parts of Polygon still require Ethereum and pay fees in ETH instead of MATIC. OpenSea's NFT are usually quoted in ETH instead of MATIC. The MATIC token its originates on Ethereum and is bridged over to Polygon PoS as an ERC-20 token. Staking is also done on the Ethereum mainnet. The periodic Polygon checkpoints require paying Ethereum fees too. > > Thus Polygon's success depends on Ethereum's success and security. > > Going from Layer 1 Ethereum to Polygon is mainly done through the Polygon PoS bridge, which costs Ethereum gas fees. The first time bridging over to Polygon can be stressful. Their documentation says it should only take [22-30 minutes](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/develop/ethereum-polygon/getting-started/) when it often takes many hours as many people including me have found out the hard way. > > ####**Numerous reorgs** > > Polygon has [multiple reorgs every day](https://polygonscan.com/blocks_forked). Many of these are of 10+ depths, which is dangerously high. Due to reorgs, transactions up to 32 blocks ago can be completely reversed. In fact, up until the Delhi update (Jan 17, 2023), it was common to see reorgs up to 128-blocks ago (5 minutes). After the update, this has been reduced to a max of 32 blocks (1 minute). That's better than before the update, but it's still a lot. The reason behind this unique and dangerous Polygon phenomenon is due to the validator sprints that it uses on the Bor block production layer. [I wrote a separate article to explain this phenomenon](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/polygons-block-reorg-problem). > > Even after the Delhi update, there was still a massive [153-block reorg in Feb 2023](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/) and multiple-validator outage caused by an unrelated bug. > > ####**Centralization concerns** > > **Pausable tokens** > > The [MATIC token contract](https://etherscan.io/token/0x7d1afa7b718fb893db30a3abc0cfc608aacfebb0#code) is pausable. There is a private list of addresses (stored in the "_pausers" private role) that can unilaterally pause the entire MATIC token without needing any other members to approve. > > **Centralized control of Polygon contracts on Ethereum mainnet via its Multisig owner account** > > At any given time, Polygon can update its contracts using this Multisig Gnosis Safe, and it has already done so **40 times in the past year** and 170 times in the past 2 years. That's a lot of unannounced updates. > > It does this through a [5 out of 9 Multisig Gnosis Safe](https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa7d2a996ac6350f4b56c043112da0366a59b74c) (often misquoted as an 5 out of 8 Multisig) that controls all of Polygon's contracts on Ethereum (e.g. Plasma Bridge, PoS Bridge, Staking Contract, Governance Proxy, Ether Bridge, Root Chain Proxy, Polygon-to-Ethereum token mapping, and many other contracts). 4 of these owners are Polygon members, 4 are external DeFi users, and 1 is an unknown account (possibly the owner of Quickswap). > > **[My own investigation](https://mplankton.substack.com/p/investigating-the-59-polygon-multisig) discovered that this MultiSig account is one of the worst-documented parts of Polygon**: > > * Every media site, blog, and forum to this day still thinks it's an 5/8 Multisig based on an old letter back in May 2021. The fact that no one has mentioned the 9th owner (added 2 years ago) is a strong sign the public isn't actually auditing the Polygon admin actions on that Multisig contract. > * A 9th owner was added back [in June 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb02b91300e3cea5bb788513cd858f27f27410b3bc67b8e12dca10944b4d611c8) **unannounced**. An additional 2 Polygon owners were swapped in the past year **unannounced**. > * [Back in Aug 2021](https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9eca1e21c66d7a30bfb69dedb0857314cf7ed127d149328d518678f7e22fbdb9), ownership of all Polygon's contracts were replaced by a [TimeLock contract](https://etherscan.io/address/0xCaf0aa768A3AE1297DF20072419Db8Bb8b5C8cEf). This Timelock provides an acceptance window where any action on Polygon's contracts has to wait 48 hours before it takes effect. The Timelock is in turn controlled by the 5/9 Gnosis Safe account. > * Polygon's websites, forums, Discord channel, and subreddit don't mention the Timelock. > * **Even Polygon's own documentation team is unaware of the Timelock.** There is [one document that mentions the Multisig address](https://wiki.polygon.technology/docs/faq/commit-chain-multisigs/) suggests that a Timelock is a future update, when it's actually already active. > > ####**Upgrade process is centralized** > > Polygon Labs controls the upgrade process through centralized governance. > > Back in Dec 2021, the Polygon team [secretly hard-forked the network](https://cryptobriefing.com/a-hacker-stole-1-6m-after-exploiting-a-polygon-bug/) by pushing out a patch 1 day after a hacker stole $1.6M from the network from the Polygon PoS genesis contract in Dec 2021. The team didn't publicize the reason for the emergency patch until over 3 weeks later. > > In Jan 2023, the **Delhi Hardfork, PIP-7**, was voted on by only [15 out of 100 non-dev validators](https://forum.polygon.technology/t/pre-pip-discussion-addressing-reorgs-and-gas-spikes/10623). The vote was only used as non-binding feedback, so Polygon Lab devs still maintained real control over the upgrade. > > In Feb 2023, there was a client bug that caused [a multi-validator outage and 153-block reorg](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/02/22/polygon-blockchain-suffers-apparent-outage/). Due to the outage and slow syncing where many out-of-sync validators were taking up to a day to resync, many of them were missing their 98% checkpoint SLA requirements for staying on as a validator. As a result, the Polygon team pushed **an emergency proposal, PIP-9**, to reduce the threshold back to 95%. In less than half a day, it passed and was activated. Even over 4 days, only 27 out of 100 validators had voted on it. > > **Future decentralized governance** > > It's been over a year since Polygon posted they were looking into [Governance Decentralization](https://blog.polygon.technology/state-of-governance-decentralization/). It wasn't until only Feb 2023 that they started the first steps towards decentralized governance via [PIP-1](https://foru... ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Polygon) to find submissions for other topics.

conceiv3d-in-lib3rty

He also sent 5000 eth to an intermediary wallet and then to Huobi. https://etherscan.io/address/0x611F97d450042418E7338CBDd19202711563DF01

1nsider1nfo

Paper wallet with public and private keys PubAddress: 1David2wTTzW2pgRjBs5WAVTw8zoXmPpVF Priv (WIF): p2pkh:Kwj28i8sZSECYLttZGJL7duj4nz4Q1ToNVyXhNnvFRW1yfv9isd2 Priv (HEX): 0xF13F14B30DF239ABC113977240ABB6538B84B11ABD6CC6DD4C939F35BECEAE5

nzubemush

Fomo on Bitcoin? Hardly, as I already have a DCA plan and follow it diligently. June has always been a crazy month so I'm not expecting anything but cheap price opportunities this month. I won't be selling anything this month, not even my weekly DF OCEAN rewards. Instead, I'll be looking to buy as the month progress. The bottom is in when we don't crash hard on bad news anymore, the SEC series of news, a year ago, would have seen a crazier drop.

aidfarh

Half of that ($31.6 mil) is by the DF Fintoch rug pull, which is the biggest single crypto scam we have had this year, so far.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Morgan DF Fintoch, a project claiming affiliation with Morgan Stanley, has been accused of stealing nearly $32 million in user funds in a massive fraud scheme. Users were promised a 1% daily interest on their investments but were unable to withdraw their funds from the Fintoch platform. Morgan Stanley has issued a notice distancing itself from any affiliation with DF Fintoch, and the Monetary Authority of Singapore has issued an alert against Fintoch, warning the public about its activities. The case highlights the growing prevalence of crypto scams and rug pulls within the cryptocurrency ecosystem. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.*

nobelcause

''Introducing Morgan DF Fintoch: the magician who made $32M disappear! Who needs a bank when you've got Fintoch?"

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Morgan DF Fintoch, a project that claimed association with Morgan Stanley, stole user funds worth nearly $32 million. Morgan DF Fintoch, a project that claimed association with Morgan Stanley, stole user funds worth nearly $32 million. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.*

Parush9

[click here for Image](https://i.postimg.cc/Gp9RSMcz/F8-C21674-3926-42-A2-B9-DF-AEB8-CF443-C4-E.jpg)

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; DF Fintoch, a cryptocurrency project, has disappeared with $32 million in user funds in a likely exit fraud. The initiative guaranteed an investment return of 1% per day and claimed affiliation with Morgan Stanley, which the company denied. The project had 71,000 Twitter followers and over 138,000 token holders, indicating numerous victims. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.*

CryptoIsThePlan

*The initiative, which called itself “Morgan DF Fintoch,” guaranteed an investment return of 1% per day.* People that is not fucking possible.

Tasigur1

"The initiative, which called itself “Morgan DF Fintoch,” **guaranteed an investment return of 1% per day**." 1% a day, sure :D sounds solid lol

BrianS911

0x514DC2BA300474936B66402AbBBcdee8cBdb7DF4 should be poly.No problem man

nzubemush

It can get tiring at some point so I just stake and use rewards to DCA. Like locking OCEAN since last year and considering the weekly rewards I get from DF weekly as my form of DCA. It's not much but it's simple and doesn't give me headaches.

biba8163

People keep trying to make heroes of these "pro-crypto" politicians but they are just paid off by lobbyists from the crypto industry instead of banks, oil companies, big tech, etc. They are not here to do good or follow some ideological principle. Example, beore the FTX crash Tom Emmer who received contributions from FTX wanted Gensler to stop investigating the crypto industry because it was a violation of the Paperwork Reduction Act > It appears there has been a recent trend towards employing the Enforcement Division’s investigative functions to gather information from unregulated cryptocurrency and blockchain industry participants in a manner inconsistent with the Commission’s standards for initiating investigations. We have reason to believe these requests might be at odds with the Paperwork Reduction Act (PRA). - Tom Emmer in a letter to Gary Gensler https://emmer.house.gov/_cache/files/0/c/0c7fc863-7916-4b19-bc44-52bef772287e/9B0B9D1CA9B3C215DDC762DF5B0F6864.3.16.22.emmer.sec.letter.pdf After the FTX crash, Emmer blamed Gensler for not investigating FTX.

FoulmouthedGiftHorse

That was after FTX had already collapsed bud…. This was in March of 2022: https://emmer.house.gov/_cache/files/0/c/0c7fc863-7916-4b19-bc44-52bef772287e/9B0B9D1CA9B3C215DDC762DF5B0F6864.3.16.22.emmer.sec.letter.pdf

biba8163

Before the FTX crash Tom Emmer wanted Gensler to stop investigating the crypto industry because it was a violation of the Paperwork Reduction Act > It appears there has been a recent trend towards employing the Enforcement Division’s investigative functions to gather information from unregulated cryptocurrency and blockchain industry participants in a manner inconsistent with the Commission’s standards for initiating investigations. We have reason to believe these requests might be at odds with the Paperwork Reduction Act (PRA). - Senator Tom Emmer in a letter to Gary Gensler https://emmer.house.gov/_cache/files/0/c/0c7fc863-7916-4b19-bc44-52bef772287e/9B0B9D1CA9B3C215DDC762DF5B0F6864.3.16.22.emmer.sec.letter.pdf After the FTX crash, Emmer blamed Gensler for not investigating FTX.

FoulmouthedGiftHorse

This is the same Tom Emmer that told the SEC to stop investigating FTX in March of 2022 and received donations from FTX. First he says don’t investigate and then he says they didn’t investigate enough. Still think this guy is on your side? https://emmer.house.gov/_cache/files/0/c/0c7fc863-7916-4b19-bc44-52bef772287e/9B0B9D1CA9B3C215DDC762DF5B0F6864.3.16.22.emmer.sec.letter.pdf

Swoopscooter

Yeah I saw a pre-sale for helix.finance I believe https://www.pinksale.finance/launchpad/0xfcDc9862233D01599150af23e460DF2d6f810261?chain=BSC It got cancelled after I decided not to buy, maybe its legit but all the "activity" was in their telescam i mean telegram

AdmiralPoopyDiaper

You may be correct about YJ-21, I am less educated. But DF-21 and DF-26 absolutely can be nuclear tipped, though it is an option (meaning they can be conventional as well).

fubolibs

One DF-26/DF-21/YJ-21 from China to make that go BYEBYE.

DwarvesInSpeedos

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zoomercoomer9000

Yep, DCA has worked very well for moons this year. Would say most of these gains are due to successful governance proposals: 1. the banner 2. sponsored AMAs 3. liquidity pool incentives Another option is to be like our new whale and just buy 150,000 moons in one day because you can lol https://nova-explorer.arbitrum.io/address/0x74e22bAC2065A4716bC10ad291531539857DF3cE/token-transfers#address-tabs

zoomercoomer9000

He used SushiSwap to buy the moons: https://nova-explorer.arbitrum.io/address/0x74e22bAC2065A4716bC10ad291531539857DF3cE/token-transfers#address-tabs

zoomercoomer9000

In case anyone was wondering, about 2 hours ago a nice whale loaded up on ~25 wETH and began purchasing moons on SushiSwap: https://nova-explorer.arbitrum.io/address/0x74e22bAC2065A4716bC10ad291531539857DF3cE/token-transfers#address-tabs In total, they now have 175,000 moons. This large purchase caused moons to pump from around 25c to 30c.

biba8163

> his links to SBF were exposed Interesting, have you read the article? Straight from the article > "Reports to my office alleged he (Gensler) was helping SBF and FTX work on legal loopholes to obtain a regulatory monopoly. We're looking into this," Senator from Tom Emmer wrote So Senator Emmer wants to investivgate Gensler being lax with FTX. But Senator Emmer before the FTX crash wanted Gensler to stop investigating the crypto industry because it was a violation of the Paperwork Reduciton Act > . It appears there has been a recent trend towards employing the Enforcement Division’s investigative functions to gather information from unregulated cryptocurrency and blockchain industry participants in a manner inconsistent with the Commission’s standards for initiating investigations. We have reason to believe these requests might be at odds with the Paperwork Reduction Act (PRA). https://emmer.house.gov/_cache/files/0/c/0c7fc863-7916-4b19-bc44-52bef772287e/9B0B9D1CA9B3C215DDC762DF5B0F6864.3.16.22.emmer.sec.letter.pdf Also from the article, it states that Gensler admonished SBF and FTX about this and SBF went crying to paid lobbyist politicians to make Gensler stop harassing them. > People with first-hand knowledge of the SEC's deliberations with FTX, including the March meeting with Gensler, say it would be nearly impossible for the SEC chair to grant a regulatory monopoly to one entity; competitors could simply copy the model for their own exchange and > One person with knowledge of the March meeting with Gensler described it as a "45-minute lecture" by Gensler on what he believed crypto exchanges needed to do to comply with current law. Gensler also said that the Alameda fund must be a completely separate entity from any crypto trading venue they were planning.

Siliconb3ach

 And then… we swimming

Lou__Dog

D Paramater has nothing to do with the[Genesis keys](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF3dDXHSuv8)...

C01n_sh1LL

In the other sub, you posted a screenshot showing that you were on a phishing page. We don't know how exactly you landed on that page, but somehow you found your way onto it. You've been arguing that it's a legitimate Gemini domain for their mobile app, but if that were the case, it would probably be more than a few hours old: `Domain Name: gemini-exchange[.]app Registry Domain ID: DF2D365F9-APP Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.google.com Registrar URL: domains.google Updated Date: 2023-01-25T23:30:41Z Creation Date: 2023-01-25T23:29:03Z Registry Expiry Date: 2024-01-25T23:29:03Z Registrar: Google LLC. Registrar IANA ID: 895 Registrar Abuse Contact Email: registrar-abuse@google.com Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.8772376466 Domain Status: addPeriod https://icann.org/epp#addPeriod Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited Registry Registrant ID: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Registrant Name: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Registrant Organization: Contact Privacy Inc. Customer 7151571251 Registrant Street: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Registrant City: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Registrant State/Province: ON Registrant Postal Code: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Registrant Country: CA Registrant Phone: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Registrant Email: Please query the WHOIS server of the owning registrar identified in this output for information on how to contact the Registrant, Admin, or Tech contact of the queried domain name. Registry Admin ID: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Admin Name: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Admin Organization: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Admin Street: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Admin City: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY`

llewsor

“I have the receipts… https://nytimes.com/2022/07/05/world/americas/el-salvador-bitcoin-national-currency.html… https://estrategiaynegocios.net/lasclavesdeldia/el-salvador-se-acerca-al-default-tras-el-fracaso-de-bonos-bitcoin-DF8043948… https://washingtonpost.com/es/post-opinion/2022/05/26/el-salvador-bukele-pandillas-bitcoin-crisis-corrupcion-autoritarismo/… https://infobae.com/america/america-latina/2022/09/17/tras-el-fracaso-del-bitcoin-el-salvador-tambalea-ante-un-abismo-financiero-mientras-nayib-bukele-coquetea-con-su-reeleccion/… https://infobae.com/america/america-latina/2022/01/29/la-aventura-bitcoin-de-nayib-bukele-puede-dejar-a-el-salvador-al-borde-del-default/” what a fucking gigachad.

Nrgte

They're fixed every quarter according to a burn algorithm. I think Binance still triggers them manually, but you can double check on the block chain. For example this was the Q3 burn: https://explorer.bnbchain.org/tx/5C6C88892AB98D820173DF6F784F76DDABCA32A06546C132514E663E66699794 Q4 is still pending.

Ok_Process7861

Use uniswap exchange https://app.uniswap.org/#/swap?&chain=mainnet&use=v2&outputCurrency=0x329b832CDcc74e307DF89Cac3a795F5d3B645b03

Lazy_Mechanic558

Wrong. China communist government is more effective than the fake american news spams. China actually pays people to be innovative. Oppressive? Lol there's no oprresson what so ever, only on the fake american news. Unless you run around saying fuck the president etc,there's no difference of wwhat you can do in china vs usa. China "Freedom of speech" sounds great in theory, but now you got weird liberals with purple hair running around saying fuck the police and fuck the president, it's actually quite bad in america now. ​ China technology and innovation in many ways is superior to america now, they already have hypersonic missles in production (DF17) and america still stuck with ballistics missles and still figuring out how to make it. China has their own up to date space station (the american International spaca station is old as ef). The idea of only selling ideas and blueprints without manufacturing is a dying way. Countries that have technology and manufacturing will win the long run. And then you talk about pop culture and crap lol? How narrow minded are you, people in China is not listening to american music watching american stuff, they have their own celebrities etc. You are a prime example of why america is falling, simpleton minded, ignorant to the world as america declines, you still think you are on top. Did you know Saudia arabia which is a top 3 oil exporter recently sided with china and signiticaly cut down on oil exportering to america, so much russia was even surprise?

Fit_Strength8932

Try a linear regression on your very small dataset, where the predictor variable is the number of cycles... 1 is 2011, 2 is 2013-15, etc. Of course I am breaking a lot of the assumptions of linear regression, but who cares? >\> a <- 1:3 \> b <- c(94,86,84) \> fit <- lm(b\~a) \> summary(fit) Call: lm(formula = b \~ a) Residuals: 1 2 3 1 -2 1 Coefficients: Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(>|t|) (Intercept) 98.000 3.742 26.192 0.0243 \* a -5.000 1.732 -2.887 0.2123 \--- Signif. codes: 0 ‘\*\*\*’ 0.001 ‘\*\*’ 0.01 ‘\*’ 0.05 ‘.’ 0.1 ‘ ’ 1 Residual standard error: 2.449 on 1 degrees of freedom Multiple R-squared: 0.8929, Adjusted R-squared: 0.7857 F-statistic: 8.333 on 1 and 1 DF, p-value: 0.2123 The drop is 98 minus cycle \* 5 = 98 - (4 \* 5) = 78 = 78%. So we are there, and according to the statistically non-significant model I have just created, the bottom is in.

nashedPotato4

DF: "All in." (voice)"Sir, this is a casino-" DF: "Yeah, yeah, yeah" (voice)"....but I haven't actually dealt any cards yet"

OrchidCube

here‘s a picture of a clown car to make you feel better https://www.qwant.com/?client=ff_ios&t=images&q=clown+car&o=0%3A89149BCDC8E946D0769F0314580458524786DF36

Wolf-Immediate

0xA86a78311f3f3cA094DF68882012fA97CB4EF0F2 &#x200B; *appreciated.*

NOTniknitro

0x8DF41d9C6bEA11A20aa6fF584af7DCD6Ec2064d8 Ty

bbbnoo

My address and thanks 0xfc2df69DF76Fe18866bFc5396f35255e7EFa274a

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YuntHunter

Tokenomics leaked here. https://twitter.com/lawmaster/status/1582247876821798912?t=DLM9dvUYJnvkmGF7DF0U_g&s=19 "Community" is 100 controlled by Aptos labs.

EbonyRocks

0x0557a288A93ed0DF218785F2787dac1cd077F8f3

Joshscott25

Awesome id love one if theres any left! 0x8aeAf154a882391C38ED1E6069694840DF493Eb1