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Zawer

Don't use a Windows computer to transact Bitcoin, it's owned by Microsoft. Don't use the Internet to access your Bitcoin, it's managed by your ISP. Don't use Ledger for your cold storage, it's a centralized product /s

Professional-Swim-69

Yep I used it all the time, Hotmail was the defacto standard (not even AOL as it didn't exist), ICQ was your messaging. Linux distribution Slackware, every single technology company today, everyone, build their products on Linux (or FreeBSD), your car, your fridge, your thermostat, the WiFi AP, the firewalls and routers connecting you, the world owes Torvalds for its contribution, we have a digital economy because of him. For good and bad I know Those modems you are talking about? I set them up at an ISP, 16 modem blades per chassis and a ComputeOne multiport card to connect these to a server. Cisco 4507 to the ISP running BGP with my ARIN AS, I'm sorry I'm ranting here, miss those days

filenotfounderror

I use a VPN because 2x ive gotten letters from my ISP re: torrenting and that was 2x too many :|

HSuke

Yeah. It's ugly. I don't know what the long-term solution is, and I'm glad I'm not involved. Solana validators have to pick between a bullet to the head (death by dropped packets) or a slow-acting poison (centralization), and the slow-poison option is looking more survivable. Official validator bandwidth requirements are 1 Gbps symmetrical and 10 Gbps recommended. But with the congestion and spam, some validators are exceeding sustained 1-2 Gbps bandwidth, and they're getting high bills and hitting ISP limits. Validators and slot leaders are getting crushed, and reducing traffic through blocking is their only solution so far.

maxcoiner

Technically, bitcoin can be transacted with homing pigeons, but I wouldn't recommend it. It is much more robust than legacy finance options like credit & debit cards for sure though. Mainly because the information exchange can be done peer to peer, such as phone to phone as long as one of those phones goes to the network later and broadcasts it's transaction. So assuming you can power your phone in that outage (solar charger?) you can do full bitcoin commerce with someone phone to phone and then your BTC balance could be updated the moment you get connected to the node network. The node network, by the way, can be made stronger than your ISP network for sure. It can be run over P2P hops and even HAM radio. All bitcoin blocks are broadcast from space via blockstream satellites. Bitcoin's robustness is probably the world's foremost disaster-ready transactional technology.

SundayAMFN

Some of this is certainly conjecture about how things will play out, but do you really think the USA would let its entire economy fail and bitcoin takeover without using all of its resources to maintain economic control? When you connect to the internet, it's through an ISP that is government regulated. All outgoing overseas connections are regulated by the USA. If the government thinks bitcoin is an existential threat, they will have no last move except to shut down all internet connections until it has some semblance of control.

Hofnars

For energy cost look at max wattage for your cpu, multiply by 1.2 to account for PSU loss and plug that into a kwh/cost calculator. There's a million of them online. Why no info on bandwidth requirements? Does your current ISP allow business traffic, is it capped, will it throttle at some point? You have to have a static IP as well, which probably comes at a cost. Will you be penalized for poor connectivity/drops? Running a couple of low power nodes will probably be the cheapest and easiest part of this.

BRRGSH

Yeah, I got some because the main ISP of my country, Telefonica started a project that would use it as a chain and I thought it was very interesting. I don't expect it to moonshot tho.

Itchy-File-8205

The ISP can see when you're using tor. If the govt is willing to kill to get BTC, it's not a stretch that they would start their torture campaign on people using tor. Once again your anonymous idealism falls flat. "Just use tor, only p2p, etc" is dogshit advice that doesn't hold up in practice.

Enschede2

They have taken stand against it, but not by sacrificing decentralization.. Unfortunately it's rather difficult, you want things like this to stop permeating the crypto community, but that's like asking it the stop permeating the internet, it's unfortunately not that simple, nor is it the ISP's duty to block access. Now it's rather simple, it can be filtered out on the front end, which is what I believe they intend to do, but if you want decentralization then you will have to come to terms with the fact that on the internet people can and will post and do offensive things, they always have, and unfortunately always will.. If someone posts something racist on reddit it's not your ISP that is accountable, it's up to reddit to moderate their platform, moderation can be done while being decentralized, or even through decentralization, but having your ISP analyzing and banning your traffic is not an option. It's the same story as ever, what do you want? Freedom or security?

FexPro

I’ve added a few small bags of KAS, NAKA, AKT and ISP and a few meme coins as a gamble. Seems like gaming and AI will be the main contenders this next bull run

Pasukaru0

If you connect to someone elses node to check your balance, they have the address. In addition to that, they can use your IP and any other information you send to that node to try and link it to you personally. On example: If you use your regular internet connection it is (from a technical perspective) trivial to contact the ISP and figure out the owner of that IP at the time you performed the query. How reliable and usable this is (in legal battles, law enforcement, etc) is a different story. The point is that it is possible.

bitcoin_barry

You can still send transactions over a phone line, over radio waves, as a picture, post them to one another etc. You can still find ways to synchronise data between participants so that everyone can stay up to date. The thing that the internet hides is that you aren't supposed to be looking at someone else's records when it comes to validating transactions. You are supposed to have a local copy of Bitcoin's history, constantly keeping it up to date, and using the very logical rules it comes with to ensure that you're not accepting lies and false information. The internet is the medium of choice for data transmission because it is the most convenient and fastest, it also is a word that includes the dark web, bluetooth connections, radio connections (wifi), but we seem to only imagine the ISP to webservers part of it when we think about it. Phone calls would technically be part of "the internet" if you go to a website, make an order, someone makes a call and then you get a final response on your webpage. Your question is really kind of disingenuous. Amazon today has stores, but they started, they succeeded by not needing a store. If there was no internet, Amazon probably wouldn't exist today. You can call Google and ask questions? Well they don't have infrastructure for that really. I can never find a number to call to reach Google, but they have built out huge amounts of infrastructure to ensure that they are available via the internet. This is also really not a great question because it's like saying "humans wouldn't exist if there was no water on the planet"... but there is water on the planet, so why frame the point as if you have just proven that humans don't exist or that humans won't exist for long.

DefiantDonut7

Define fake number? If it’s actually over true cellular or VoIP it’s trackable. Source: I run an ISP lol. There’s a lot of ways these scammers give themselves up without knowing it

gavitronics

based on what i've seen on the interwebs the final bitcoin mined after the final halving process terminates will generate the final confirmation that the foreign exchange currencies of sovereign states will no longer hold pole position as the dominant means of exchange. bitcoin will become the dominant source of stored digital value and the price of pre-AI energy will cement its 'digital gold' status. it will then stabilize and act as a default global currency for all major trustless protocol and associated credit networks. it will also have the capacity to incentivize in much smaller denomination functions. conventional forex will resurge after the global standardization resettles and coins will reappear in physical format to transact beyond retro spaces for dedicated subnetworks. new coins will, like all products bought and sold, contain ISP addresses as barcodes become optional.

drm604

From the article: "So, whatever the price of Bitcoin in weak money as the USD, placing the fruit of your labor outside the debt-based-system, which is flawed and not fixable, is tantamount to protecting it and securing your future. When this debt-based-system collapses, your wealth in Bitcoin cannot be unloaded. If you own 1 BTC, you'll always have 1 BTC in 21 million units. That's essential. Better still, no one will be able to censor you in the use of your Bitcoin." Here's where I think there may be a flaw in this logic. If the so-called flawed "debt-based system" of the dollar collapses, will we still even have a workable internet? Will the infrastructure needed to use Bitcoin still work after such a catastrophic collapse? Will your ISP or cell company accept Bitcoin as payment?

Areshian

Sorry, but I don't agree with you here. First, the non-controversial part, ECDSA is vulnerable to a machine that as of today or the near future, cannot be built. But if that machine were to be built, it would be vulnerable. That is different to other cryptographic schemes, were even if this QC computer were built, it wouldn't be vulnerable. Now, into the meat part. QC as an instrument to break cryptography doesn't mean you immediately have access to every bank/military/etc. It will be extremely powerful, but doesn't mean you have a button that says "hack" and it works. Let's imagine I do have that computer, one that can instantly hack non-QC resistant ciphers like RSA, ECDSA or ECDHE. What would it take for an attacker to steal money from the bank? So, what does the hack allow them? Well, if they get access to my traffic while I connect to the bank, they can decipher it. That means they are able to see my user and password. But having my user and password is not enough to get access to my money, there is an SMS that needs to be sent. So they also need to hijack my phone company, or the cell network in my area. Or alternative, instead of just capturing my traffic (not so easy honestly, most wifi are protected by AES, which is QC resistant), but to establish a MITM attack. With that approach, they could create a "fake" website of my bank that would look like legit (thanks to the computer, they will present what my computer will consider a valid TLS certificate), wait for me to do a transfer or another operation that requires the SMS and use that code for them). Establishing a MITM attack would require some extra work, mostly hijacking a DNS so they can redirect my traffic to them, but let's assume they already control my traffic, maybe because they are an ISP or I'm accessing my bank through a public wifi or something like that. Also, they don't know how much money they will be able to steal from me. Do I have $100 on my bank or $100000? And even after all that, there is a possibility that the transfer will be rolled back, and if the bank detects there is a QC attack, they can block access via web to the accounts, force customers to go to the office (yes, horrible, but possible) and eventually, bring the web back online with some QC safe approach. That's not the case for Bitcoin. I don't need to attack your communication to the bank and your SMS or your DNS or something like that. I just need to look for wallets I can hack, and start getting money. Sure, if I get greedy and go for high profile wallets like Satoshi (actually, these may not be possible, you need wallets that have signed a transaction already to hack) or big exchanges I will be noticed and Bitcoin value will tank, but I can get a lot of money from less prominent wallets. You could try to sell the magic QC computer itself, selling to someone that is interested in using it to attack other, more specific targets, like military ones. But I'm not sure that is a great idea, there is a good chance you get "silenced" instead of paid.

Defusion55

Do you think ISP's should be able to regulate which sites you visit, how much time you can spend on the internet? what you can and can't download? How fast some sites can load? Cause CBDC's are trying to take cash that same direction. Control where you can spend it, control how much you can spend, control who you can transfer it to, fine you if you receive CBDC or confiscate it if you receive it from a source they don't like, etc etc. pretty wack you would prefer a CBDC over cash tbh

Stiltzkinn

If you check the nitpicks from Davos, they want to control the Internet with Digital IDs, they are going to attack from ISP.

C01n_sh1LL

With subpoenas to the exchange and to vis ISP.

FortyandLife2Go

Thankfully I have a 15kw whole home gen and recently ordered Starlink as a back up to my ISP should I lose connectivity. I'm not getting onto my peloton bike or rower and not get credit for the workouts.

sackot

Well, that's really interesting. I bought some bitcoin from them in 2011. More recently I had a run-in with some KYC nonsense where a financial organization wanted to know where I got my coins. "I mined them" (that was almost entirely true, I mined most of them, used the majority in purchases, but have a little left). They didn't understand what that meant, and continued to demand copies of the purchase transaction, certified by an accountant. In the end, to my own surprise, I dug out 11 year old bank statements with a line "XX pounds, recipient Mr Taaki". I found an accountant who would farcically certify it, and got my account unfrozen, after months of grief. When Amir set up the exchange, it was called Britcoin. I can't remember when it changed to Intersango, or whether I had any balance on it when it disappeared. Amir had gone off to Syria by then. Funding by sending to the owner's personal account is quite quaint, too. I'll not have got the email because my old Demon ISP disappeared, but would quite like to check whether they have my transaction history or any remaining balance. Could you say what email they are using?

CyberCurrency

>I need to understand more, maybe we all should be keeping a secure device in a storage medium that keeps it safe from emp, but if the whole ISP network is down how could you access anything at all. How would miners communicate if ISP networks don't come back for years. There's a case where the network could shard into many sub-networks at that point; until people vote on which network to unify under, it is possible to double-spend the bitcoin if nodes and miners are fragmented all around the world. That said, the network is, for the most part, self-healing. As long as there are enough connected computers communicating with each other and producing blocks, the network lives on. Even if the network goes dormant, as soon as it's spun up, you can recover all your funds.

optimus_primal-rage

This is exactly why I buy bitcoin. I do store my seed phrase in what I feel is a secure method bit if emp strikes and no new computer or phone will work for years how can you access bitcoin. Time is money and not having access for years could be the end for some. I need to understand more, maybe we all should be keeping a secure device in a storage medium that keeps it safe from emp, but if the whole ISP network is down how could you access anything at all. How would miners communicate if ISP networks don't come back for years.

AlexFaden

Dude. Im from fucking Russia. Stop fearmongering people. Russia can only block VPNS that are publicly known. If you just buy a cloud server access from some company and setup your own vpn ISP will be obvious to it. Thats why VPN's still work in China. Hell even Tor still works there by using bridges. There are even vpn protocols that hide the fact that you use vpn and to any dpi(deep package inspection) it looks like you accessing some of the google services instead of restricted source. Stop looking at shitty companies like express vpn and nord vpn. Those cant even setup protocols that protect from dpi, dont fucking know why. Probably because all they care is their speeds, not actual security and privacy.

AlexFaden

Dude. Im from fucking Russia. Stop fearmongering people. Russia can only block VPNS that are publicly known. If you just buy a cloud server access from some company and setup your own vpn ISP will be obvious to it. Thats why VPN's still work in China. Hell even Tor still works there by using bridges. There are even vpn protocols that hide the fact that you use vpn and to any dpi(deep package inspection) it looks like you accessing some of the google services instead of restricted source. Stop looking at shitty companies like express vpn and nord vpn. Those cant even setup protocols that protect from dpi, dont fucking know why. Probably because all they care is their speeds, not actual security and privacy.

mljsimone

You need to start thinking on terms of probabilities. How likely is for your ISP to dig, your bank to seize your deposit box and to grandma to throws your old toolbox to happen at the same time? very unlikely. Even if one of those sites are compromised will not matter since they need to compromise all of them at the same time. How likely is that to happen? you want more security? split the key even more. duplicate even more.

R3asonableD1scours3

Are these devices connected to the Internet? Are they stored at more than one physical location? I think a lot of people act like storing sensitive items at multiple locations isn't pretty difficult and loaded with its own risks. Grandma throws out the old toolbox one half-seed flash drive was in, your ISP accidentally digs 3 feet past your utility easement and smashes the box you buried, the bank that your safety deposit box is at gets robbed, etc. These are all fairly unlikely to happen, but how much of your savings would you be willing to get on that? The more places it is stored, the more options to be compromised, and the more effort it takes to keep an eye on all of them. It's not an impossible situation, just a pain in the ass that gets more and more uncomfortable the more you have riding on it.

Boring_Ad4003

From expressvpn too: >Can ISPs see VPN connections? >Yes, ISPs can see that you are connecting with a VPN. However, >while you’re on a VPN, they can see far less of your traffic. This is >because VPNs encrypt your traffic, making it appear to ISPs as >gibberish. >Why does the ISP still see some information? >The internet works by sending traffic from one server to another. >To get online, you need to have some server as a starting point. It’s >unavoidable for your ISP to see that hop to the VPN server. >However, each VPN server is used by a large number of users, so >server information is common knowledge and provides no insight >to the ISPs The IPS can see where the traffic is going, and if ALL your traffic is going to a single ip, that seems pretty easy to detect to me. I don't say there can't be some obscure ways to bypass their checks, but if the most popular services will be blocked, that's enough to stop a lot of people from keep looking for alternative solutions

Dramatic_Discount287

Your ISP can see when you use NordVPN because NordVPN uses popular server providers. Like I said: >There are some VPN "detections", however these do not detect VPNs themselves. They only detect when an IP Address ASN belongs to a known server provider.

Boring_Ad4003

Is this statement wrong then? It's from nordvpn's website "Can an ISP see that I am using a VPN? Yes, your ISP can see that you are using a VPN. It can also see the amount of traffic traveling to and from your network. However, when you use a VPN, your ISP cannot see the websites you visit, what content you watch, or what you download."

turtle-wins

I am sorry, but no.  That is just crazy wrong.  Everyone is free to do whatever they want, but "filtering" out things you don't like is plain and simple censorship. Like if I ran my own ISP and decided to "filter" out all the "bad" words.

ElderBlade

You can use an old laptop or get a raspberry pi 4 for around $100. You can run it in pruned mode which doesn't require much storage or get a 1TB drive for a full node storing the blockchain is about $50-60. All you need to do is download bitcore and keep it running on a computer. There is electricity cost to keep it running obviously and download/upload rates depend on your ISP. You can keep it on for a few hours per day. Doesn't have to be 24/7. See this link for more info: https://bitcoin.org/en/full-node

Normal-Jelly607

Nuclear war wouldn’t stop it either, you’d have to take out all miners on the planet with access to starlink or any other ISP. Nuclear war usually wouldn’t involve places like remote islands, deserts, or mountains as there’s no strategic value.

SmoothGoing

Your ISP is listening to your email traffic for anything that looks like bitcoin priv keys and runs a script to empty them. Teamwork?

ReitHodlr

Oh i see. But what if it's outside hackers using North Korean ISP to mask their real origin?

HSuke

Everything in life has weak subjectivity. You want to visit a website, you need to trust your ISP, DNS, and a whole slew of infrastructure. On Ethereum, there are 2 main categories: long-range and short-range. The type you're talking about, long-range, doesn't exist anymore. Within 24 seconds, your node would be off sync, and there are another protocol-level checkpoint at 1 epoch and 2 epochs. Short-range exists, but it's similar to falling for the wrong website when you try to access your bank account. You'd notice something wrong within a single block.

jaimewarlock

I live in Kenya and local internet is actually a lot better than when I was in the USA. It is all the competition. There are dozens of ISP providers in my area, many of which even have optical. Compare this to a single DSL provider when I lived in Hawaii just a few years ago. Even the local G3 in Nairobi is much faster than anything I could get in the USA.

jps_

Consider it tuition. Unless you can trace the transaction to a friendly exchange that does KYC, you are pretty much out of luck. But if you really want to trace it down, and you don't mind spending a great deal more than $1,300 the first thing to do is file a police report. The police probably have more interest finding a lost cat, but that's not really the point. With a police report, and a lawyer, you then make a civil claim for damages against John or Jane Doe. The first part of your civil claim is to subpoena parties who are witness to identity of John or Jane Doe... namely the ISP that hosted the website and the domain registrar at which it is registered. Because... frankly, they got paid, and someone paid them. You want to know who. So you request the complete bank account information. Then you trace that to the bank that paid them, and subpoena the records of that bank to reveal the identity of the account holder. If your scammers are smart (and sometimes they are), the payments will have been fraud, and you'll have the ID of a cutout. But sometimes they aren't and you will now know who did this. And you can take it from there. KYC is there for a reason. However, you should be aware that just the process of discovering their identity using legal means may cost well more than ten times what you lost, and quite a while. By then the money could have all been spent, or they could be beyond the reach of cooperating legal systems... So it's generally not worth it except as a crusade.

iGhost1337

exactly that is one of the reasons why vpn exists. so the ISP can't block shit. lol

iterativ

They can block the URLs, not the IPs. Well, they can, but why bothers, those are dynamic, they have to block a large part of the internet too. VPN is not even required for that. In fact, never use your ISP DNS server, there are many open & free, such as DNS WATCH, Open NIC etc

Substantial_Bear5153

That's not how it works. DNS can (and should) be tunneled through VPN too. The ISP can't see anything

root88

I absolutely do know what I am talking about. You can't trust companies to do this responsibly or correctly. Many apps literally send memory dumps that could contain anything. Your app should never, ever contact any server whatsoever without my explicit permission. The network traffic to ledger servers alone could make you a target. My ISP can see what I am connecting to and even if I am using a VPN, that company can see what I am connecting to. If I plug in my ledger, it should say, click okay to verify you ledger certificate on our servers. It should never be a mystery whatsoever what information is being sent to an from my computer.

C01n_sh1LL

Yes, you can assume they do operate or infiltrate consumer VPN services. Even Tor is not immune to this, as intelligence agencies of wealthy nations can afford to simply provide a huge portion of network peers in order to get a bird's eye view and do traffic analysis, the Tor equivalent of a 51% attack if you will. Using a VPN to without a good and specific reason to do so, is just throwing an additional ISP into the mix. It generally will not improve your security, improves privacy only minimally, and increases your attack surface in many ways.

NobodyImportant5895

This heavily depends on so many factors and tools that you are using. From a security point of view, the VPN provider can't steal your BTC, just like your ISP can't (unless you do some serious mistakes). From a privacy point of view, things are a bit more complicated. Assuming you let electrum directly connect to random public servers when you open it, your VPN provider will see your DNS queries that are related to electrum (unless you use DNS over TLS, DNS over HTTPs or DNS over Tor) and in the TCP packets, the target IP can be identified as an electrum server. However, to actually see which public BTC addresses belong to you, they'd have to run that electrum server AND the VPN service you use. That, I'd assume, is not likely. If you don't use a VPN service, the same capabilities apply to your ISP. Keep in mind that electrum can also run through a local tor proxy. So you could first fire up the VPN, connect to tor and then open electrum. From your ISP's point of view, they can just know "ah this guy is using ProtonVPN/whatever" based on the target IP you connect to. Your VPN provider then knows where you are initially located and that you use tor (also based on target IP). The Tor exit node will then know you connect to electrum, while "you" in that case is pretty random by now, having gone through all these steps. tl;dr: Keep your keys safe and no one can steal your coins. Can someone match you with your BTC address? Technically possible but requires providers to run both your service and the electrum server.

CryptoMeetsContact

Your ISP would definitely flag that activity if it were made illegal.

MiceAreTiny

You can try sending them a registered letter with that information. https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=How+do+you+make+your+ISP+believe+that+you+are+in+a+different+country%3F

slavikthedancer

> make the internet provider believe you are in a different country How do you make your ISP believe that you are in a different country?

TissueUnflawed

I don't think Electrum asks you to re-enter the key Not that it matters in the context of the question A Bitcoin wallet is self-contained. The wallet app does not "phone home". There's no Electrum Web server processing your seed words or keys, or making signatures. All this is done within the app. There's no network traffic containing seed words or keys for the ISP to spy on The only network traffic for a wallet app is to and from one or more Bitcoin nodes. Incoming traffic is your transaction history, based on your addresses. Outgoing traffic is your addresses (so you can receive transaction history), and your signed transactions

SmoothGoing

If you understood how these things work you would know which parts are a concern and which aren't. ISP isn't capturing things that are never sent through it.

TooChilln

IAH, it will never be "too late" to get off zero and migrate into the btc protocol. We are so early in the grand scheme of things, in 100 years, the world will be completely different and remnants of the old legacy dynastic order may exist in some form, but the protocol is much more than a store of value and medium of exchange. The implications of its role in future society are more than what I can imagine. When the internet was released out of the narrow scope of information transfer within certain agencies and out into the public sector for adoption, questions of the safety of email, how will it work, what is send the email, will it completely replace letters and the postal system, were the first stories I recall hitting the headline news. Shortly after Prodigy, our first ISP, allowed us to connect to the "net" via 56kmpbs over land line. We could be on the phone talking or boot up Prodigy, not both.. until having a second dedicated line became all the rage. It was just billboards, forums, and files to sort thru, but everything started changing real quick with mass adoption and implementations such as AOL and the world wide web were released. I still had a pager in high school then and could never fathom the speed with which the tech continued to play out as it will continue to do with the Bitcoin Protocol now firmly layered on top of it. I guess the point is that I think it will become so common that he won't have a choice to use it in some Manifestation or another. Forgive, as I ramble more on the tech, steering the convo away from the current investment strategy and take advantage of this rare opportunity to get ahead of the curve, so to speak. Some, as I have been doing for a while, just DCA every couple of weeks as we ascend out crypto spring and into a summer that may last to mid-2025. I highly doubt we will see BTC at $25k ever again. $35k perhaps, but when you're staring at the most innovative transformation of information from the net into a POW protocol that becomes its own global network of data thorough fare, it won't matter if you buy what you can afford as long as you see it for the long game that is. Timing and trading it wouldn't be my recommendation unless you're a pro. Some investment institutions actually won't buy into a market until it stabilizes at a one trillion dollar market cap. Once the SEC approves the regulatory framework and green lights the ETF applications, I imagine days of five digit value will be a thing of the past but still not too late to buy in to plan for retirement savings. They just won't be part of the prosperity landscape filled with the early pioneers who either mined, bought 20 for fun, and immediately used it as a new and novel way get a better MDMA hook up from the Silk Road v1. Only to find out that the $200 worth of said experiment with BTC to use as an exchange for some Dutch Import molly turned out to be $20,000 fuking $$$!! So instead, they vowed never to miss the downside of volatility and load up as much as possible and spend the profits on good quality empathogeans. Etc, Etc...wait until the big boys play and wait or take a little risk for higher reward during these next few cycles, learn and educate One's self about and store it like the game changing asset it already is. Either way, ..BTC and a few others are not going away, and the profundity of their impact on the social stratum is pretty exciting. I personally decided not to orange pill anyone who is so steeped into cognitive bias without any desire to hear about it. Even then, you see how my focus shifts as I lose track of articulated clear arguments or points in the written word...so yeah....I suppose I just wanted emphasize how early we still are in adoption and reflect on the comparison of experience of rising tech that had the ability to change the structure of legacy systems, institutions and ways of human organization that have been around for thousands of years...forever. Sorry for wasting your time while l pretend to know what the fuck I'm talking about.

CanWeHaveFacts

Tor. Onion. This "internet" is only what your ISP wants you to see. Dig deeper. Follow that rabbit.

boat_go_brrr

You did do your part to raise those prices. If you have a pc, there's most likely a graphics card in it. You are using the internet: ISP + Reddit data centers easily use as much as a bit mining facility

Swordfish418

I tried it they got it wrong too. They "preventively suspended" my account before I even finished registration because of VPN. I use VPN for everything as a basic security measure since I don't trust my ISP and I don't have faith in security of wiring infrastructure where I live.

randomFrenchDeadbeat

It doesnt work that way. GDPR basically says if you are using that data, you are responsible; you arent only if you have an ISP status, which you get by complying to rules you cant comply with using that system.

Objective_Digit

An ISP is not a protocol.

WeekendQuant

Except it isn't because every time it's been banned the network got stronger. It would take a universal ban from all humans at once to kill it. Every single person on the planet gets a vote. Bitcoin can and does run offline, so they can't just turn Bitcoin off with the ISP. There's no way to actually stop Bitcoin.

thecoat9

Don't rely on the senders address appearing to be legit unless you know your provider checks email message headers for spoofing (many don't) and flags emails in some way if there is evidence of spoofing. Spoofing email messages is fantastically easy, spoofing them in such a way that doesn't leave evidence of spoofing in the header information is much more difficult. Many ISP's don't check email headers looking for spoofing, but email service providers like gmail do. Gmail will still put the message in your inbox but flags it as suspicious warning you not to trust the source as being legit.

randomFrenchDeadbeat

I think it is shit, since the exit node owner is legally responsible for whatever is done with his node. It does not matter how much "blockchain VPN" claim they arent. They are, since they dont fullfill the conditions to be protected as an ISP operator. I fully believe there are 3 things very harmful with crypto/blockchain : rugpulls, privacy coins aka laundering machines (doesnt matter how much people go "muh freedom" to justify them, they ARE used as laundering machines) and those crappy VPNs.

wolfparking

Are you misinformed or did you misunderstand? Ethereum staking requires that you are able to process 1.2-1.3 GB download and ~0.9-1 GB upload per hour. Not per second. You need to be concerned about the monthly data caps your ISP has, but otherwise most highspeed plans will be fine.

PoisonWaffle3

Even if they were on a cable modem, as long as the modem is authenticated/allowed/provisioned on the ISPs network, they can generally be moved around pretty freely as long as they're on coax that connects back to the same ISP. It's pretty common for people to move, take their modem with them, hook it up at their new house, and not even think to call the ISP. As long as both houses are served by the same ISP, it usually just works. Source: I'm a DOCSIS/PON engineer for a large ISP. Anyway, people stealing power to mine crypto is a bullish sign!

Logical_Lemming

So the ISP activated some random modems without verifying where they were or who they belonged to? Don't think that would fly in the US.

gggt34

Hey mate thanks, so I did step 2 and didn't get any 8333 on listening. As for 4, that's how it shows in my router settings page. under "forwarding" I have "virtual servers" and "port trigering". I actually did the same in both but I think the "virtual server" is the relevant one. I thought it was just terminology difference. I have a static IP address and ISP shouldn't be blocking it. I believe it's something in the process because I couldn't open ANY port except 8080 which I believe is my router's.

Szabadsagharcos

Few ideas: You could be behind NAT at the ISP already. Check your public IP if it is actually yours (like ping it from outside and unplug the router, it should go down). You can use IPv6 only (there is a bigger need for nodes there too). Just edit the config file assuming you have IPv6 support at your ISP. You need to edit bitcoin.conf to allow more connections. Did you do this? maxconnections=300 maxoutconnections=10

smr_rst

99.99% are useless. But that is what you can do right now per your question and BTC wouldn't be my personal choice for that. In the future there is some other probably valid use cases aside of money - distributed computation where you buy processor time/memory from other people PC without middle man, distributed networks where you are kinda ISP in the new layer of the internet (does exactly same stuff as regular internet but harder to censor, easier to get in for indie dev). Also something generic like ETH that helps to trade some coins into the others has to exist too.

Yepnop

It is normally easy to pinpoint the exact problem of a closed port in a local network at home. First put the Bitcoin Core software running. Then... 1. Check [https://portchecker.co/](https://portchecker.co/) for port 8333. If visible, then it is working correctly. (you said it appears as closed, so we go to the next step). 2. On your Windows machine, check if the port is open with command: netstat -aon . Port 8333 should be on the listening state. 3. Instead of step 2, I find it easier if you have any other computer in your local network, to run a telnet command from that other computer. In your case: telnet [192.169.1.102](https://192.169.1.102) 8333 . If you cannot connect, then the Windows firewall is blocking. 4. Make sure you have the correct rule on your router. You are using "virtual servers", I have always used "port forwarding" instead, but I believe it should not make any difference. I all those points work correctly, then it is possible that your ISP is blocking the port. It happened to me once in my country.

HidenInTheDark1

Perhaps the ISP blocks your connection. Do you use SIM-based router

gggt34

It's an option, idk. I'm from israel, it's pretty bitcoin friendly I think. I tried that half a year ago and ended up calling my ISP provider to ask if it is being blocked, and they said it isn't. I'l try to look into running it over tor

Fear_Blind83

I have to run my node through the clearnet because my ISP uses CGNAT but I haven't had any issues. As a precaution though I also run a hardware DMZ/Firewall appliance before my node which filters all incoming connections.

Areshian

There are so many things to clarify here. So much of the military systems are symmetric key encryption, you can forget about them, they are not vulnerable. Same goes for 99% of encryption at rest systems. What is considered vulnerable is public key cryptography like RSA or ECDSA. This doesn’t mean someone can suddenly access my bank or hack my computer movie style. It means when you do a connection that is supposed to be safe, it really isn’t. Sure, someone could snoop while I’m connecting to my bank and hijack it. But this is not magic, it somehow needs to be able to do a MITM. This is trivial for my ISP, or if I connect through a public WiFi, but the key point is that it doesn’t automatically give access to the system. You, (which on a wild guess I’m going to assume are not my ISP), would struggle to set a MITM against my bank connection. With 2FA, successfully hijacking’s someone connection becomes even harder. And all these efforts would go away the moment those connections are migrated to QC resistant crypto. Will it be the biggest security headache for those of us that work on this? Sure, bigger than anything we’ve dealt before by an order of magnitude. But through rollback and updates, we can restore everything. Blockchain is not so lucky. First, you do not need to actively trying to use your wallet for someone to hack you. And you can’t “turn off” the system. Also, there is guaranteed reward. Break the private key, you get the money. Go through all the hops of hijacking my bank connection and a) only now you know how much I have, you wasted effort hijacking someone poor, b) I may not even do a transaction, just check my balance. And if I don’t, how do you hijack my 2FA answer, c) my bank may block a large enough transaction pending phone or in person validation, and d) even after all this, even after successfully doing the transaction, it may end up being rolled back. It is clear where the incentive is. And on top of all this, all those extra steps to set MITM drastically increase the chances for the attackers to be caught. So yes, it will be a shit event. But we (and I can include myself here) have been working on what to do if it happens. There will be a massive list of trust, but the system could be rebuilt. Blockchain? Not really. You could create new blockchains, but those caught on the event…

torofukatasu

It's called an ISP bro

Inaeipathy

>Your ISP will give the logs of your connection to law enforcement, which will then charge you, unless you can provide logs. Which you cant. List a case where they were charged (in the US and not some bullshit country like saudi arabia). >quotes from your own link: It's funny how you can read the entire article and still not see the lack of "you will be charged for being an accomplice to crime" just that "you might get harassed by the police thinking it was your traffic" I think that maybe it's because you need to knowingly participate to be considered an accomplice, just a thought. Anyways, you're wasting my time. Enjoy your delusions.

randomFrenchDeadbeat

>There is no scam to "take down" when you run a node, you can't reverse people's actions without time travel and you can't distinguish who is connecting. There are no logs to provide by the software, and even if there were, they would be useless. ​ And thats exactly my point. The only way you get a protected status is if you can distinguish who is connecting, by using logs. ​ By providing service, YOU are the ISP. YOU have to be in compliance with the law. Your ISP will give the logs of your connection to law enforcement, which will then charge you, unless you can provide logs. Which you cant. ​ >No, it doesn't, and claiming it does over and over isn't going to change reality. You can feel free to continue on living in this delusional world where service providers can be punished for people abusing their systems, it's not the world we live in. How can you are be so much in denial ? quotes from your own link: ​ >Can EFF promise that I won't get in trouble for running a Tor relay? No. All new technologies create legal uncertainties, and Tor is no exception. We cannot guarantee that you will never face any legal liability as a result of running a Tor relay. However, EFF believes so strongly that those running Tor relays shouldn't be liable for traffic that passes through the relay that we're running our own middle relay. ​ They believe they should not be made liable. Belief in front of the law is laughable. ​ >Does U.S. law provide any protections for the Tor network against civil lawsuits? Yes. A federal law, 47 U.S.C. § 230 (often called Section 230), provides legal immunity for online intermediaries **that host or republish speech.** Though there are important exceptions for certain criminal and intellectual property-based claims, Section 230’s immunity protects online services, such as the Tor network, against a range of laws that might otherwise be used to hold them legally responsible for what others say and do. Another federal law, 17 U.S.C. § 512(a), part of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, provides a legal safe harbor against copyright infringement claims based on material that is simply transmitted without modification, as a Tor relay does. Since you cant prove you are hosting or republishing speech, that immunity does not work. DMCA is a civil matter. You are facing criminal charges here. ​ >Exit Relays Exit relays raise special concerns because the traffic that exits from them can be traced back to the relay's IP address. While we believe that running an exit relay is legal, it is practically impossible to stop the use of an exit relay for illegal activity. That may attract the attention of private litigants or law enforcement. An exit relay may forward traffic that is considered unlawful, and that traffic may be attributed to the operator of a relay. Indeed, police have mistakenly attributed traffic from an exit relay as coming from the relay’s operator. If you are not willing to deal with that risk, a bridge or middle relay may be a better fit for you. These relays do not directly forward traffic to the Internet and so can't be easily mistaken for the origin of allegedly unlawful content. ​ If that does not make it clear enough, i dont know what will ... maybe this one ? >**Should I run an exit relay from my home?** **No, this is risky and not recommended.** If law enforcement becomes interested in traffic from your exit relay, it's possible that officers will mistakenly attribute that traffic as originating from your home. This could result in law enforcement raiding your home, seizing your computer, and suspecting you of criminal activity. For that reason, it's best not to run your exit relay in your home or using your home Internet connection. Given those risks, you should instead consider running your exit relay in a commercial facility that is supportive of Tor. Have a separate IP address for your exit relay, and don't route your own traffic through it. ​ who's fucking delusional I wonder.

Inaeipathy

>they take down said scams when notified; > >they provide logs. There is no scam to "take down" when you run a node, you can't reverse people's actions without time travel and you can't distinguish who is connecting. There are no logs to provide by the software, and even if there were, they would be useless. >This is essentially the same. You cant or wont give logs, hence you are not complying with the laws regarding ISP service, and are not protected by that status. Your ISP will hand over any logs they have to the authorities. You aren't going to be contacted demanding connection logs, they will just take them from your ISP. You clearly don't understand how any of this works. >Go read your the tor link you posted previously. It will tell you exactly what I am telling you. No, it doesn't, and claiming it does over and over isn't going to change reality. You can feel free to continue on living in this delusional world where service providers can be punished for people abusing their systems, it's not the world we live in.

randomFrenchDeadbeat

yes, you are an accomplice. the reason reddit is not is they do what laws ask of it: * they take down said scams when notified; * they provide logs. ​ >Node operators deliberately open their nodes to any Tor network participant, this is not the same as allowing a person in particular to use your node to break the law. This is essentially the same. You cant or wont give logs, hence you are not complying with the laws regarding ISP service, and are not protected by that status. Go read your the tor link you posted previously. It will tell you exactly what I am telling you. They have templates for civil actions. first, it does not mean you are going to win, second civil actions are the least of your worries.

HoodFruit

> VPNs improve your privacy, because it hides your IP from data trackers and it encrypts your data BUT you are not anonymous. > This is only partly correct. Advantages of using public VPNs from big companies are, that yes, you are hiding your actual IP from the sites and what you do from your ISP, but you are shifting the trust (and your entire internet traffic) to another entity, in this case a private company. Whether your ISP or whether that company is more trustworthy is up for discussion. Another advantage is, that you are not the only person using one VPN server. There are potentially hundreds of other users that also use the same server at the same time, so if something shady happened, it's much much harder to trace back who of those 100 users did it. That is, assuming that the VPN company can be trusted and doesn't keep logs. The "hide your IP from trackers" and what not is mostly marketing fluff and far from the only method that's used to track you (and is nowadays handled with adblockers, DNS-based blockers or things like Apples 'load trackers through iCloud' feature anyway)

Inaeipathy

>You are accomplice to that crime No, you aren't. Just like reddit is not an "accomplice to crime" when people run scams on their platform, and AWS is not an "accomplice to crime" when people run phishing pages on their servers. You are not facilitating the crime in any sense of the word, the person is abusing the service you provide. >you deliberately opened it to someone else Node operators deliberately open their nodes to any Tor network participant, this is not the same as allowing a person in particular to use your node to break the law. >you dont give his identity You don't have their identity, so, this point is invalid. Your ISP will tell you that they are giving over traffic logs if an abuse complaint is raised, which can be responded to with one of the templates below. [https://community.torproject.org/relay/community-resources/tor-abuse-templates/](https://community.torproject.org/relay/community-resources/tor-abuse-templates/)

moviemaker2

If you believe in electricity, why aren't you running your own power plant? If you believe in the internet, why aren't you running your own ISP? If you believe in modern medicine, why aren't you running your own clinic?

patstew

It's worse than "could end up the target of a subpoena", you would very literally be accepting money in return for passing on illegal porn for peados. You might be able to argue that you're actually just like an ISP. You might also end up in jail if the legal system thinks you're bullshitting and have a bunch of evidence of what 'you' downloaded. Why on earth would you take the risk?

TewMuch

It can run over tor now, so it won’t even be visible to your ISP. No one needs to know you are running it.

randomFrenchDeadbeat

> B2B is actually pretty risk free for most Noderunners. > > > >Public VPN is riskier, and I would not personally recommend for the reasons you mentioned in western countries. BUT people do, and **there are legal protections when registering if users wish to take the risk to earn.** No, there are none. Thats the whole issue. Worldwide, any ISP is protected against bearing the responsibility of his service being used for illegal activities IF he complies with government laws, namely identifying users and logging their activity. The node operator does not do that, so he does not have an ISP status, and is therefore at least accomplice of the illegal activity done.

randomFrenchDeadbeat

You are accomplice to that crime, which is always punished the same way.Thats your connection, you deliberately opened it to someone else, you dont give his identity, are not operating under the ISP status. Again, list those countries that dont have those laws.

randomFrenchDeadbeat

No, it does not. Every country has a similar regulation. You can only be protected by the ISP status, which requires following regulations that cant be followed when running an exit node. Name one that does not have this.

Inaeipathy

It's unlikely that would occur. Usually your ISP will just inform you that they are giving all their logs over to the authorities, any problems are usually solved by giving them one of the Tor exit node templates that are available at https://community.torproject.org/relay/community-resources/tor-abuse-templates/

AvatarOfMomus

>End-to end encryption stops packet sniffing, like Mysteirum and Helium both feature. 99.9% of all web traffic is encrypted.How is it riskier than using a CENTRALIZED server that can be subpoenaed at any time, where as a DECENTRALIZED, hard-wired no logs client solves all of this AND rewards the end user. Sooooo, this is only *sort of* right... nothing the VPN system itself does can prevent an end-node from sniffing outgoing traffic, because the VPN endpoint is where traffic *leaves* the VPN tunnel and is "unwrapped". At that point there's nothing the software provider can do to prevent sniffing because the traffic is out of their control. Like, you can literally put a modified splitter cable on the output of the server and capture everything the server sends without the server having any way to detect that this is happening. At that point you're relying on the encryption on the traffic going through the VPN, and while *really good* end to end encryption stops MITM attacks way too many things don't use *really good* end to end encryption. For example if a system requires a plaintext key exchange and then turns on the encryption, and someone sniffs that key exchange, it's possible (though not guaranteed) that they've just compromised your encryption, and at a minimum they've massively decreased the difficulty in cracking it later. Also just in general *way* less than 99.9% of web traffic is encrypted... I wish that wasn't true, but it is... The big difference here is we can pretty easily guarantee that a large company isn't storing traffic from any given end-user. Their entire business model relies on that not being the case, and it would take only one court case to reveal if this was occurring. > Consequences for the Node Host: ... Throttling is illegal in *some* places, and even then it's often down to what's in the contract. If your ISP contract says that the first 500gb of data is at the listed speed, and then anything past that is at a slower speed, then it's perfectly legal for them to throttle you per the terms of the contract. As for potential issues with running the server itself, some residential ISP contracts put limits on what you're allowed to do with the connection. These limits tend to be fairly broad, and it's unlikely you'd get sued, but if you were running a commercial hosting service (which a VPN would qualify as) then they could potentially terminate your service for breach of terms. Again, the potential issues here are going to vary somewhat by locale, since different countries and states have different laws regarding ISPs specifically or contract terms in general. > Bandwidth issues: I'm not saying it's *definitely* an issue, I'm saying it's a potential problem that I've *personally* run into with peer to peer networking before. It's a fundamental issue of available bandwidth vs desired bandwidth. If too many people start using a service like this but not enough people set up nodes, then you end up with a resource crunch. This is extremely unlikely to happen with a larger provider because of economies of scale and the sheer amount of bandwidth a datacenter scale connection can provide. Not FUD, just long experience with technology and knowing how these enterprise systems work and what can go wrong with them vs a peer to peer setup. None of what I've said is directed at any particular provider, and nothing except the security issue is going to be universal. Technically even the security issue is solvable, but the solution is to vet the hells out of people before letting them set up a node, which isn't economically feasible for a large distributed system.

gutturalCod29014

Tbh some of this information is outdated. Both Mysterium and Helium are already very sophisticated and have solved many of the issues you mention. **Security:** End-to end encryption stops packet sniffing, like Mysteirum and Helium both feature. 99.9% of all web traffic is encrypted. How is it riskier than using a CENTRALIZED server that can be subpoenaed at any time, where as a DECENTRALIZED, hard-wired no logs client solves all of this AND rewards the end user. **Consequences for the Node Host:** Yep, there is certainly risks involved in hosting a public VPN node. There are two main types of traffic you can select when noderunning these types of projects, B2B or Public VPN. B2B is actually pretty risk free for most Noderunners. Public VPN is riskier, and I would not personally recommend for the reasons you mentioned in western countries. BUT people do, and there are legal protections when registering if users wish to take the risk to earn. ISP throttling is actually illegal, if its against TOC thats a different question entirely. Could you share one provider that states you’re not allowed to run a MYST node or setup a Helium hotspot? **Bandwidth issues:** This is actually FUD TBH sorry, a study by North Western Univerisity demonstrates speed comparable in performance to mainstream VPNs from MysteriumVPN as long as 3 years ago. Much like inflated currencies and monopolies, centralized VPNs should not be trusted, especially when superior decentralized blockchain platforms exist. Just my 2cents! Thanks for your response.

telejoshi

I had the same problem. My ISP used IPv6 and I had to make them switch to IPv4 to use port forwarding. And so on. I almost gave up. The biggest problem was running my own Electrum Server to even use this node with my Electrum wallet.

AvatarOfMomus

I don't inherently think these sorts of things are a bad idea, but I think you're being over-zealous in declaring the death of large VPN providers. There are some serious potential downsides to this kind of decentralized VPN network that folks should be aware of before using one: **Security** This is the big one. Your connection is exiting on some random person's server which means there's nothing stopping them from sniffing your traffic as it leaves the VPN tunnel. This should still be fairly safe as long as your traffic is securely encrypted, but not everything is encrypted and there's still potential for Man In The Middle attacks here. I'm not saying it's guaranteed, and there are probably measures being taken by the applications, but it's still riskier than using a larger trusted party. **Consequences for the Node Host** The whole reason using a large VPN provider results in a host of "are you human" checks and the like is because VPNs get used for a lot of shady shit, and by the nature of a VPN there's no good way for the provider to prevent it without compromising the privacy of all users. If you're hosting a Node on your home connection and someone runs 200 WoW bot accounts through it then you could find your own account banned as a result and your home IP blacklisted. You could also just generally get detected as a VPN host and basically see your home internet connection treated like you're on a VPN at all times. Worst case you could end up the target of a subpoena if someone does something illegal and it gets traced back to your IP. Large VPN providers have lawyers to handle that stuff because it can get expensive fast for an individual. There's also, depending on the contract you signed with your ISP, the potential to end up with your bandwidth throttled if your ISP has a soft cap and someone downloads several hundred gigs of shows over your connection. They can swap to a different end-node on the VPN network, you're left with throttled speeds for the rest of the month. **Bandwidth Issues** Basically you don't have the same kind of speed guarantees with a service like this, so if you're using it to stream high quality video you may find the connection having issues, depending on where you're VPNing too, how many end Nodes are available, and how busy those Nodes are. ----------- Not trying to scare anyone here. There are definitely benefits to using something like this, but it's not entirely upside, especially if there's little to no vetting of prospective Node hosts.

Dry-Discipline7434

Cut off bank support, this alone can eliminate 90% of the value. When you run a bitcoin node, your IP is public and govs can subpoena ISP & VPN (if there is a law banning btc) to reveal who you are. This can effectively shutdown most of the network traffic. True, there may be some hardliners holding onto it, but what'll be the BTC market cap then?

thinkingperson

If the internet somehow gets turned off, there will be cascading effect on almost every aspect of life as many public and private institutions and services sit on the internet as its backbone infrastructure to varying degrees. But to begin with, can the internet get turned off? Not exactly. The very design of the internet is a widely distributed and redundant inter network infrastructure system that started life to keep communications going even after multiple nuclear warhead strikes in US. It is possible to cripple certain services if a widespread DDOS attack is executed on major continental fibre ISP gateways. This could cause the internet to become fragmented into geolocale segments that are temporarily isolated from each other. With CDNs, users may not notice the attacks until a while later when CDNs data replication start timing out. Depending on how companies design their backend infrastructure, different services may continue to function while others grind to a hault. Bitcoin blockchain will become segmented like how different countries like Russia and China were blocked previously. In this case, blockchain traffic is not so much blocked but btc transactions will only get validated by miners/nodes within the respective geolocation. Effectively, they may either not get confirmed or may end up forking the chain. The prob will hit everyone when the internet is back up and the chains try to sync up.

SirDanMur

Thanks for the update. I'm trying to research more on this. I know they just released a new device. If I find something definitive one way or the other I will share. I like my DPN, Ive always assumed anyone can see your traffic regardless, ISP, VPN networks etc. If you have an inside guy, anything is possible.

Umpire_State_Bldg

Even my phone has unlimited data for a low flat fee. Same with my ISP. Bandwidth is so cheap/plentiful it's no longer worth metering. Maybe you should look into switching providers.

WreckingSeth

Wow, didn't know that, I mean that's like solvable in literally 5 minutes we have specific laws about what mobile carriers and ISP can do, cannot do and have to do.

diarichan

I have been a victim of one in 2022, at first I didn't believe such a threat existed, that even if my browser data was stolen, as long I keep the seed on paper all is safe, wrong. A Russian person offered an airdrop in exchange for beta testing a game. I ran it, 700 megabyte size file and nothing happened. Next day I saw unauthorized transactions and the person showed me my computer activity and asked me for money, I refused, I was faster than the hacker but later he put a bot and my loss is around 2$ LINA (locked, he cannot touch it) and in 2023 the ARB airdrop 5k$. As countermeasure I changed ISP, router, use Linux but I still feel unsafe. I make a new wallet and immediately afterwards I receive scam tokens [I don't interact], these start when I make my first transaction, thus eventually I have to delete my CEX I use 5+ years email addresses I use 12 years... Regarding the malware: its filled with 0000 and if you remove with hex editor it is a small executable and running it sandboxed shows its stealing user/appdata/ stuff and desktop files.

I_got_a_yoyo

I’m very much in love with authoritarian control??? Huh? What’s wrong with you? This is just an extreme hypothetical so I can learn about Bitcoin .The internet is just a bunch of ISPs connected to each other. If a malevolent government forced their ISPs in their country to disconnect from other ISPs outside the country, then they could no longer provide world wide internet access. And in your scenario in Afghanistan, those people are still using ISPs. You can’t use the internet without an ISP. They are just leaving Afghanistan to get plugged in.

JackJackson-

Update: I'm half way there. My assumption is the electrum server connection. And yes, I have a problem to connect to the server because of the proxy. Here are the mess. I use connect my android phone with the ISP to hotspot the internet and it require proxy. I enter proxy manually on all of my machine. That's why I can use the internet. Now, I have no idea how to config the proxy with sparrow. I done it in setting but still not connection. Is there anyway to void the proxy or the network setting specifically for Sparrow?

igadjeed

This I'm guessing the problem is that the ISP-supplied router has only one LAN ethernet port

igadjeed

Buy a LAN router which has multiple ethernet ports. Plug it into your ISP router. Plug the Pi into the LAN router Or use Wifi

clue5tick

Your ISP would provide the router, but how are you supposed to connect, is it WiFi only?

Jaya_NYM

>Is the NYM token itself a privacy coin, or is it a standard PoS token that is used to secure a blockchain that underlies various privacy services? Like, if I transact NYM, are my transactions automatically private like Monero? If I transact NYM while also running NymConnect, does that make my transactions private from the perspective of the blockchain, or only private from the perspective of my ISP? \- NYM is not a privacy coin, no. It is a utility token for a general purpose privacy system that protects any internet traffic in transit. \- NYM transactions are currently primarily for staking and bonding Nym nodes and are not private. \- NYM tokens will however be redeemable for zk-nym credentials when used for paying for NymConnect/ NymVPN. This will be private - using the anonymous offline ecash scheme developed by Alfredo and Ania: [https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.08221](https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.08221) \- If you transact NYM tokens while running NymConnect this does not make those transactions private as the Nyx blockchain smart contracts are public. So if you run NYM transactions via NymConnect, these could protect it in transit from the ISP yes, but not once it hits the chain. \- In short: NYM tokens are not privacy coins for general purpose payments. They are utility tokens for the mixnet reward and reputation system, which is public (see: [https://blog.nymtech.net/privacy-for-end-users-transparency-for-the-infrastructure-c1770cdc6c61](https://blog.nymtech.net/privacy-for-end-users-transparency-for-the-infrastructure-c1770cdc6c61) ). For private transactions, use Monero or zcash over the Nym mixnet, stay tuned for broader adoption of zk-nyms for payments or just use good ol' cash! :)