ACH

Squirrel_McNutz

This is kind of a dumb argument. I mean I get what you’re saying but have you tried to do bank transactions with the archaic American system? Even something as expectedly easy as an ACH transfer is a nightmare. It’s disingenuous to pretend that 2 clicks are the norm when the normal banking system is nowhere near that easy either.

No-Pea-7530

Right. So those swift and ACH numbers understate the number of payments banks handle

No-Pea-7530

If you send money from your account at a bank to another at the same bank do you think they are using swift or ACH?

No-Pea-7530

ACH runs 23.5 hours per day. Visa is 24 hours, come on.

Scionic94

What are business hours? What is uptime? Key points outside of transaction volume. Moreover, who has control over ACH and SWIFT ledgers? Who has control over BTC’s ledger?

No-Pea-7530

lol. Do you have any idea the volume of payments swift and ACH handle daily? No, bitcoin can’t possibly keep up.

Scionic94

So many privileged westerners in the comments that don’t understand allodial title, bearer assets & settlement, or the concept of outside money. We get it. Debit, ACH, SWIFT all work for you. This is NOT the case for vast swaths of the world’s population. Check your financial privilege before you shill for the fiat banking cartels.

Scionic94

Coffee in lightning, settle onchain at the end of the day. Similar thing happens with visa relative to ACH/SWIFT. The BIG difference that every privileged westerner misses is the allodial title and outside-money nature to self-custodial settlement.

Green_Struggle_1815

> Did you edit your original comment? no > Are people using ACH and SWIFT for their coffee payments? Lmao no mostly debit cards here. which have far lower transaction fees than btc.

Scionic94

Did you edit your original comment? Are people using ACH and SWIFT for their coffee payments? Lmao

Scionic94

Certainly more efficient than ACH and SWIFT in every single way.

rgnet1

When you buy something online, you think the problem is solved with credit/debit cards or arcahic transfers like ACH, but are not aware of the paper cuts being made on you along the way. And those fees by middlemen cause higher prices, but you think you’re winning because of some cashback reward which is really money they’re giving you AFTER they’ve taken profit from the merchant / recipient. That’s just the cost issue. Those middlemen also can freeze or delay your transactions. Some recipients, especially in authoritarian leaning countries, can’t even receive your money. Bitcoin is permissionless. These are real problems. In your narrow, privileged view of money where you’ve never been unbanked or never had your money delayed, you think there is no use case for money without central control. And this doesn’t even cover debasement.

hank_3321

Only cash and cash equivalent transactions trigger a currency transaction report. Transfer between accounts, ACH deposits/withdrawals, check deposits/withdrawals, wire transfers, etc. do not.

PulpAssets

Privacy, Revolut & Wise you can top-up via ACH. Halocard you can load with stables or crypto. All need KYC.

relativityboy

Looks like banks being responsible. I've had gobs of money in a bank for one of my businesses but if I tried to move more than 3k out of the bank _via friggin' ACH_ they'd decline the transfer. Nutz.

Bigfoot253

Banks will always rather you use an ACH, Wire, or Cashiers Check.

Buttoshi

Bitcoin true settlement of scarcity is faster. Does ACH work on the weekends and holidays?

commodore_kierkepwn

Yea hes just jerkin his brain off. IF ALL WEALTH IS X AND LOST BITCOIN IS Y THEN ALL BTC IN SET Y WILL EQAUAL THE AMOUNT IN SET X. AND OH X IS ALWAYS THE SAME BECAUSE I READ THE FIRST CHAPTER OF DAS CAPITAL AND KNOW WHAT VALUE MEANS. The future of this digital currency relies on a growing online black market ✅ “people wanting to trade from Evan’s wallet to not Evan’s wallet” ✅ A faster system than ACH that’s similarly easy to use that will be passed by any policy leader ❌the same in Europe(is fast)❌ the same in Africa ❌ the same in China (I hear is fast) Ummm And I guess basic macroeconomics would have to be wrong(not about fiat ya dingus about scarcity are you not reading???). Also the ease of payment is huge to me. Tips, migrant workers, undocumented laborers, Appalachian pharmacy plugs (although btc decreases the demand for these good folk who’ll sell you a poke). ✅

PhoeNix_WYL

If I ever needed to buy around 50k of BTC for a project, I would compare ACH based exchanges against any OTC desks my bank is comfortable with. Best Wallet helps me track costs, fees and spreads may sneak up.

Sixhaunt

he never said ACH, he said bank transfer. Here in Canada that means e-transfers and they are instant. The rest of the world has had good bank transfer systems for a very long time just like the USA is lagging behind in terms of still using the old fashion bills and still not standardizing restaurant POS machines brought to the table rather than your card being taken out of your sight/control for it. The USA can always join the 21st century for monetary transactions if it wants to.

T1Pimp

I commented how you're wrong. You said ACH in response and then changed the subject to something irrelevant.

T1Pimp

ACH takes 1-3 days to settle. You think that'll fly huh?

mikehamp

no. the only MasterCard or Visa card that looks really good to me is ready app card. amazing features on that card and the wallet is not bad. they also allow ACH and Iban conversions to usdc for free. only downside you need to bridge to Starknet. pretty easy. I don't like any other self custody wallet at present. I don't like all these gimmicky reward cards with levels. I just want a no fx card with 1 simple reward cash back. that's it. it would be nice to earn on usdc too which you sort of can here too. there is also no need to top up card which makes crypto.com useless.

coldfisherman

I had very high hopes, even modified a ton of corporate software to replace ACH transactions with ETH/ADA/SOL but then..... out came a bunch of blatant scams with Trump coin and melania coin and whatever. I couldn't even say crypto at a meeting without getting some major negative judgement. Literally hundreds of thousands of dollars of coding into the trash. It's infuratiting to see so many points where crypto could save a fortune and make everything so much easier, yet a single politician can turn it into garbage - even with all the corporate heads all trumpie, they believe it's just a scam to make money (and They are literally OK with it for that purpose!) ugh. Now.... I don't know. I sold a bunch and bought some rental properties this year I still have some that I couldn't bear to part with, but honestly, I think the ALT coins and this endless scamming from politicians. Will never end

btcprint

Just a settlement mechanism, not 'crypto*currency*' Much needed over ACH and wire transfer.

willieb1172

I’m in the US, been doing this a while. What works best for me is, ACH to Kraken, then transfer to cold wallet. Only Ledger or Trezor, bought directly from company website.

pop-1988

ACH transfers are slow because of the transaction reversal risk. This is a problem specific to the USA. FedNow was supposed to enable instant bank transfers, and retire ACH, but the Fed is deliberately slow and restrictive about approving banks to participate in FedNow. What are they afraid of? Customer convenience?

fairlyaveragetrader

Linking a bank account is typically the only way you're going to do that from a traditional exchange, everything is monitored in the United States these days, kyc The slightly less legal way that you could pull your money off if you're worried about something or another, like the cycle, it's more steps but you would basically be sending your Bitcoin to a non-kyc exchange and then moving into a stable coin If you want actual USD, you just have to link your account and do an ACH transfer

DigitalHemlock

In fairness they are making money off your money in exchange for that 4% AND a banking system you use, web interface, app, ATMs, ACH payments, protections via FDIC and against theft, etc, not to mention in many cases physical locations and customer service. Not saying the amount they make vs what you get is "fair", and that crypto shouldn't change the industry, but they do provide a service that costs them money to provide so having a spread on what they make vs what they pay is at least categorically reasonable IMO.

FnAardvark

Must be a Euro thing, because I've bought significantly more than 5k at a time, several times now. I my limiting factor was Kraken's max ACH limit for my account, not my bank.

PEBeachbum59

Since I have to have my crypto on an exchange for a few days until ACH settlement, I use Coinbase. I trust them over the rest. But as soon as available, I move to cold storage or at least Trust wallet

Inevitable_Doctor576

Crypto has the inherently useful feature of being removed from legal interference in possession and transfer of value. ACH/Wire/Bank Accounts etc. all have corporations and government at the helm which can result in remote seizure. There is a pretty high burden of effort on the government to take it from owners who store in cold wallets.

gstname

Zero issues with Coinbase. I usually cash out 1-2 coins at a time and once the ACH transfer arrives I transfer the next set of coins. Once you cash out $500k in 30 days or so Coinbase bumps you to VIP level and you get a personal concierge assigned. Only thing to watch out for is to log into Coinbase with a security key when triggering the ACH transfer. When logging in without a security key (passkey or TOTP) it sometimes flags transfers for a manual review. From Coinbase I directly ACH transfer into Fidelity, but I've read from others that they aren't able to do that. I'm not sure if it's still possible to setup new ACH links from Coinbase directly to Fidelity.

paperplan556

Lol this day dream (or maybe its real). I had this dream before, and eventually it manifest. So keeps on dream hard. I used solely Coinbase since 2016,17. I have transfered and withdrew without any problems. Only issue is I can only transfer 100K/daily. Its my bank and coinbase daily max. So if I want to do 1M, then that will be 10 days. My record was 5 days straight. Haha i kept on thinking the IRS will show up, or bank will locked. Nothing happened at all. I havent find another way with 0 fee to transfer more than 100K. One time I need to transfer more than a 100K in short notice. I just used the other withdraw options but those fees adds up. For 50K instant ACH withdrawal fee is ~$900. Somesay 1K fee is nothing to 49K, but 1K is 1K. Thats a could be someone weekly check. Im cheap so I only use that in an extreme emergency. To this day 0 problem with coinbase, just get youself 2 yubi keys (or more), one to backup another.

SkewerSk8r

Kraken OTC ~ highly recommended. Fiat ACH transfer to bank same day on 7+ figures.

Valor0us

It's cheaper and faster than ACH. What universe are you living in?

jfkdjr1

My Coinbase's ACH limits are $3,000 a week and Kraken is $2000 daily. It would take me a lot of time to buy a whole coin with ACH.

CheeseWeezel

I second the CapitalOne suggestion. With River I can purchase up to $150K a month from my CapitalOne account, and that’s just with regular ACH.

No_District9762

ACH isn’t going to get your bank account shut down unless you’re tripping fraud flags. Banks block wires to crypto, not normal ACH pulls. Coinbase and Kraken process millions in ACH every day banks don’t manually screen that the way they screen wires. WF, Chase and Schwab all block wires to exchanges now. That’s not new and it’s not personal. It’s compliance + fraud risk. If you want to move more than 10k at once, you really only have two realistic options left: 1. Use a broker like Swan or River. They handle large BTC buys as a single purchase and the bank only sees a transfer to a licensed broker, not “Kraken.” 2. Open a crypto-friendly bank or credit union account. Your current banks will never override their crypto wire blacklist no manager can change that. ACH daily pulls is honestly the simplest route. It’s slower but it works and it doesn’t get blocked. You’re overthinking it nobody at the bank is manually watching ACH from Coinbase.

jfkdjr1

1. ACH limits on my Coinbase and Kraken are $10,000 daily, I believe? If I do an ACH everyday by pulling from those platforms, I am 1000% sure the bank is going to block it and close my account or just stop them forever. 2. I have a WF, Chase and Schwab account. I asked all of them if I would be able to do that, they said yes ha ha ha not a problem for us, then I transfer over the money to any of them, and boom, they don't let me. They are basically making me stuck my money in there. 3. I don't know, but they somehow have these wiring details of crypto exchanges blacklisted and they won't allow a wire to any, any of them. They know it's for crypto. To "protect me" bla bla bla and other bullshit and even speaking with a manager and explaining doesn't help. I know that buying a whole coin isn't the hard part, but it seems like impossible for me. 11 days of trying, talking to every single fucking bank and exchange and no resolution.

No_District9762

Banks have gotten insanely restrictive with crypto wires since 2022. They don’t care about your plans — they care about chargebacks, fraud exposure and compliance fines. If you want to move more than 10K at once, you basically have three real options: 1. Use an ACH-friendly exchange like Coinbase or Kraken and just stack it in chunks. Annoying, but it works. 2. Use a crypto-friendly bank or credit union (there are a few not the big guys). Signature and Silvergate used to be the main ones but both collapsed. Now you’re stuck with smaller niche players. 3. Use a broker like Swan or River who can handle large BTC buys and bank transfers without the bank freaking out. Buying a whole coin isn’t the hard part it’s convincing traditional banks you’re not a fraud case waiting to happen.”

Standard-Care1491

Have you looked into Strike? Been using it for about 8 months now and it's pretty solid for what you're asking. - ACH deposits work fine, usually clear in 2-3 days - The fees are way lower than most exchanges.. like 0.3% or something - You can withdraw directly to your own wallet which is nice - Interface is super clean, almost too simple but i prefer that Only downside is they don't have a ton of features if you want to do more advanced trading. But for just buying bitcoin and moving it around it's been great. Also heard good things about River but haven't tried it myself yet.

SpinakerMan

A bank absolutely can pull that money back out of your neighbors account in the event of an error. They would just submit a reversal of the ACH transaction.

OprahsScaleBroke

Alchemy Pay (ACH) going to blast off soon! 🚀🌙🎆💰💯

Gullible-Tale9114

Hey, Jessica from awaken here, Don’t DCA with a credit card if you can avoid it...the fees add up fast. On Kraken, the cleaner and usually cheaper route is to deposit by bank transfer (ACH/SEPA/wire), then set recurring buys directly into BTC, ETH, and SOL in whatever percentages you want. That way you skip the card fee and avoid extra hops. Buying a stablecoin first only helps if you’re forced to use a card and want to pay that card fee once, but you’ll still pay trading fees to swap into each coin and you’ve added steps. Keep it simple: one buy per asset on a fixed schedule (weekly or bi-weekly), and consider fewer, slightly larger buys to reduce total fees. Also peek at Kraken’s fee schedule (maker vs taker) and remember every swap is usually a taxable event, so fewer trades keep your records....and your life.....simpler.

coldfisherman

He utterly obliterated my plans for implementing ETH transactions instead of ACH in my software. My clients decided crypto was all a big scam because ... and they just list off a bunch of bs trupie scams. Even fckin Melania coin. Ugh. Entire project down the drain.

coldfisherman

I've been trying to convince one of my clients to use ETH smart contracts instead of ACH transactions between their sub-companies in this corporate logistics system. Now, the trump grifter coins are all they see and people think I was trying to scam them. It's really infuriating to see all these possibilities just get thrown in the trash because of a these con men

CryptoMemesLOL

You should research or ask questions before you throw attacks at things you don't understand. A simple Chatgpt question got me this in 5 seconds !! >That post captures a very common mistake: using the retail, consumer-facing crypto rails (Coinbase, Binance, etc.) instead of professional payment or off-ramp infrastructure built for freelancers, startups, or companies handling crypto payments. >They’re doing everything right except the part that actually matters: how they convert. >When you use exchanges like Coinbase/Kraken as an individual: >You pay retail spreads (1–2% hidden in the conversion). >Withdrawal and network fees add another 1–2%. >Bank transfers are slow because of legacy rails (ACH, SWIFT). >You lose optionality, you can’t hold stablecoins and spend them directly. >So yeah, 3–4% friction for moving “digital dollars” is nuts, but avoidable. >Here’s how pros, freelancers, and crypto-native companies actually do it: >1. Use a crypto-native payment processor >Platforms like: >BitPay, Request Finance, BitWage, Onramper, Transak Business, Uphold, Kraken Institutional, or USDC’s Circle Account Let you: >Receive USDC directly (no middleman wallet) >Auto-convert to fiat (USD, EUR, CAD) at interbank rates >Withdraw via Fedwire or SEPA (1 business day, minimal fees) >Typical cost: 0.1–0.3% total, not 4%. >2. Use a regulated fintech with crypto-friendly banking >If you’re in Canada, EU, or the US, look into: >Wert, Monerium, Kraken Bank (coming), Revolut Business, or Mercury + Circle integration These let you hold and send stablecoins like USDC as if they were cash — no conversion until you choose to off-ramp. >3. Peer-to-peer but automated (non-sketchy) >There are now P2P aggregators that automate the matching without meeting strangers: >Paxful (for stablecoins), Ramp Network, PayTrie (Canada), or Binance P2P Fees are <1%, instant settlement, and you stay in control of the wallet. > >4. For recurring freelance work >Use BitWage or Request Finance: >Create invoices in USDC or BTC >They handle FX conversion and deposits to your local bank >Transparent fee structure (\~0.5–1%) >Many Web3 companies use Request Finance for exactly this reason. >The Ideal Setup (for freelancers or small businesses) >Wallet: self-custody (e.g., Ledger or Metamask with a safe multi-chain wallet) Payment: Request Finance or BitWage (receive in USDC) Off-ramp: Circle Account or Kraken Pro (convert only when needed, at interbank rates) Bank: fintech that supports crypto cashouts (Mercury, Revolut, PayTrie, etc.) >That combo makes conversion: >Instant (same day) >Cheap (0.2–0.5%) >Non-custodial (you control funds until the last step)

OverCrookedSalmon

I evaluate “best exchange” by total cost, liquidity, asset coverage, and exit reliability, not just brand. Best Wallet’s security defaults are sane, and setup is quick. For platforms, I compare spread plus fees, depth on the pairs I actually trade, SEPA\/ACH speed, and how clean the withdrawal flow is under stress. I also check proof-of-reserves methodology, status page transparency, and whether they publish incident reports. Operationally, I keep only a working float on any exchange with strong 2FA, withdrawal whitelists, and alerts, then sweep to self-custody for storage. Before committing, I run a tiny end-to-end test: deposit, trade, withdraw, verify on an explorer, export a CSV for taxes. Performance in that dry run tells me more than marketing pages. Not financial advice, just a routine that reduces surprises.

personalfinants

In the US it's ACH and it takes 1-2 business days.

personalfinants

I don't think I've ever paid that much in fees? You didn't say what country you are in. Current bitcoin transaction fee is around $1 (if you are only sending $1000 worth that is 0.1%, lower if you send more) and taker fee for selling on Kraken is 0.4% so that only comes to 0.5%. Even on Coinbase the taker fee is "only" 1.2%. Then ACH from Kraken to checking is free and takes 1-2 business days. Taxable event, that's unavoidable but hopefully it's only once per month.

morrisdev

Yes. Everyone should. It's not just a bunch of unreliable garbage, it makes 100% of people who don't understand the crypto world believe all of it is a scam. It's infuriating, since I spent a TON of time and money making system changes to allow ETH transactions instead of bank ACH, but the endless fucking meme coin shit made all my clients refuse to work with it.

_IscoATX

Highly recommend Fold+ for this. If you’re living your life close to a bitcoin standard it works wonderfully. Bitcoin Wallet and Checking account all in one. And cashback on ACH payments. And no trading fees so all you have to worry about is the spread which is already really low.

Coiiiiiiiii

You might have to optionally subtract a few cents for a transaction fee if you self custody, however a few minutes later you should have it in an exchange. Then subtract something like 0.5% for the trading fee. Then 3 days for the ACH transfer to go thru, or pay like 25 bucks for a wire fee that takes a few hours to a few days.

rgnet1

>My biggest lack of understanding is not how to get money in, but how to get money out how do I get back to fiat cash. It seems so complicated. Um? Go to Coinbase. Link bank account. Deposit $100 by ACH. You now have $100 in your Coinbase account. Place market order for $100 worth of bitcoin. You now own bitcoin, albeit it's in Coinbase's custody. Just like Etrade has custody of your stock in Tesla. Now place market order to sell all your bitcoin. Assuming no big price movement, and after fees and spread, you will probably have $97 cash in your account. Withdraw $97 by ACH back to your bank. I'm glad to add one lesson to your 25 years of experience on EXIT STRATEGY. I'd say it goes without saying, but with you that's probably not true, you would be incredibly stupid to buy and sell immediately. Just like with any stock, FX, or other instrument - you instantly lose value on fees. Also, the fee example for Coinbase can be mitigated heavily by doing maker-only trades directly on their order book.

McBurger

Coinbase was, & will forever be, the valiant heroes of crypto. Buying bitcoin required me to create a Mt. Gox account, which was very sus at the time (lol because rightfully so). Funding money into it required me making an account with a service called Dwolla to pair it with my checking account, do verification ACH deposits, and send away. I’m happy I lost nothing in the Gox exit scam, I always self custodied (i.e., spent) my bitcoin. Gox had shit support, bad service, slow times, and obviously they were thieves. But when Coinbase came on the scene in 2013… we finally got an American exchange. The first legitimate reputable exchange. This guy Brian Armstrong is a huge nerdy crypto enthusiast and wants to do it right. We fucking loved Coinbase around here. Coinbase single-handedly did so much to establish Bitcoin as something legitimate that large investors could put trust in. The entire 2014 bull run was kicked off largely in part by Coinbase bringing accessible exchange accounts to all. They really pushed things forward and I am of the belief that without Coinbase, Bitcoin would have spent several more years being stagnant and forgotten in the void left behind with MtGox and BTC-e. It kind of makes me sad that only a few years later, it was around the 2017/18 bull run, that so many newbies came in shitting on Coinbase and calling them a scam and the worst exchange and fraudsters and terrible support and etc. you know the story. A lot of it is warranted, but idk. Personally I switched to Kraken myself, lol. But Pepperidge Farms remembers. I think Coinbase is still cool guy who kills aleins and doesn’t afraid of anything.

RetiredAvocado

You need to have a verified exchange account ready to go. Deposit to clear 20 min to an hour. Selling pretty much instant. Withdrawal to bank account a wire could be same business day or overnight. ACH 3 to 5 days.

TranscendentGamer

Yes, the issue was failed ACH transactions. It typically takes three to four days (or sometimes longer!) for them to settle and appear on your bank statement. At the time of my call, the transactions had not yet been reversed, as they were still processing -- I had already replenished my bank account with additional deposits that morning. I then followed up on my action and contacted River’s customer service to ask if they could expedite the release of my held Bitcoin, since it was being released in very small amounts which I found to be problematic and at a frustratingly slow pace. Shortly after that conversation, my account was unexpectedly closed.

toodimes

The initial issue was failed ACH transactions correct? You initiated either a buy or a cash deposit and that ended up getting reversed?

Wiggles2090

Thanks. Lmao not me on robinhood trying to search for the ACH ticker.

Factualx

ACH transfers clear overnight for free, and wire transfers clear instantly have lower/same fees as your typical crypto transfer. If you're going to go on about how an international wire transfer could take longer or blah blah, I refer you back to my 99.99% use case comment.

TowlieisCool

I can deposit five figures through ACH, they'll front me the entire amount while its pending, and I can have it in defi in minutes. Paying a small spread is worth the convenience.

nemes1sx1st

I got an invite as well just curious though does the Coinbase one card as an actual credit card meaning apply for the card through AMEX and get approved with a credit limit or is it simply based on how much crypto or assets are in the account? Also, if I make a charge with the Appointment, one card doesn’t bring up a balance that I can pay ACH checking instead of it, pulling from my CB balance.

spearsy33

I used to do it with the debit card though PayPal bill pay, but they got wise and changed the rewards. Now I just do the ACH and get 0.25% like all other ACH… bummer. I was getting great rewards for the first year.

ChemistrySea6790

I evaluate “best exchange” by total cost, liquidity, asset coverage, and exit reliability, not just brand. Best Wallet’s security defaults are sane, and setup is quick. For platforms, I compare spread plus fees, depth on the pairs I actually trade, SEPA\/ACH speed, and how clean the withdrawal flow is under stress. I also check proof-of-reserves methodology, status page transparency, and whether they publish incident reports. Operationally, I keep only a working float on any exchange with strong 2FA, withdrawal whitelists, and alerts, then sweep to self-custody for storage. Before committing, I run a tiny end-to-end test: deposit, trade, withdraw, verify on an explorer, export a CSV for taxes. Performance in that dry run tells me more than marketing pages. Not financial advice, just a routine that reduces surprises.

Django_McFly

I used to get part of my paycheck sent to Coinbase and turned into crypto. I got ACH/routing info from the exchange, I added the account on my job's payroll webpage, told it what % of my checks to send there and it happened on it's own. That was the easiest and most convenient. The money hit Friday morning and I could withdraw it Friday morning. No 5-7 day hold. Just thank you, good bye. Off the exchange and into my wallet. I would still be using it but I had a bad experience where they changed my account #, didn't give me an in-app notification or email or any notice and my money was MIA. I got it on the next pay cycle so it's not like it was lost, but I didn't want to keep giving them my business. They could have just contacted me and let me know. Now I do it manually. It's annoying. Way more steps and I have to leave my assets on the exchange for 7 days while the transaction clears (or pay fees to do a debit card deposit). Maybe one day I'll crack and go back to it. Not for a while though. Ideally Kraken or someone else would offer a similar service but I don't think they do. Other places like Moonpay offer it but it's not free like Coinbase was.

HSuke

Same one as you: Chase I've been with them since WaMu first became Washington Mutual in 1994. I've never had any issues receiving checks up to $10K in amount or ACH deposits up to $50k. Did you ever have any bounced checks? Maybe your account got flagged for past suspicious behavior.

HSuke

Yeah, I don't know what the other guy is suggesting. Check and ACH are the best options for large amounts up to $50k. Above that amount, I usually use Cashier's checks, which is perfectly fine for sending millions of dollars.

Wsemenske

It also prevents people from submitting an ACH, buying bitcoin and sending to their wallet and then canceling the ACH before it clears. It used to be a common hack that people tried to do on exchanges

Lysergicus

This is how all places are unless you push the money (wire). Credit transactions and ACH are essentially requests/promises for settlement. The actual settlement doesn't occur until later. Until the tx is settled in the traditional system, the money isn't yours.

Nikovash

And why not ACH, zelle or wire transfer?

Fit-Hat-3156

ACH?

Yorn2

I mined Bitcoin in 2010-13 and again with a larger business operation in 2017-2019. I used Bitcoin but I still use checks regularly even today. Lots of people still tithe with checks and/or do regular payments where credit cards and automation just add a 1-3% overhead that is unneeded. Most checks typically clear for me in maybe 3-5 days, sometimes a few more. Even checks are all mostly electronic now, or at least the ACH system is mostly electronic. I think the problem is that the current banking system is built on the old traditions of the paper system, it was never really designed for speed first. Also, over time, law enforcement and intelligence agencies have spent so much time adding extra bureaucratic checks that even going electronic has ultimately become pointless.

Aggressive_Finish798

Not anymore. The old AHC transfers were done in bulk format and took days. These days, Same Day ACH transfer is the norm. Most done the same day or quicker. HYSA accounts are longer, but you also get high interest from them.

justmesayingmything

To be fair ACH and Zelle exist which would have provided instant funds, comparing paper checks, something outdated for 10 years isn't really the right comparison.

stanley_fatmax

Traditional ACH transfer does not give the recipient institution access to your full account like Plaid gets. Plaid gets full transaction history and future transactions, access to registration info, permission to send/receive, etc., literally everything you get when you sign in yourself. Plus in many cases they get your username and password because you willingly give it to them. Plaid has a horrible track record with regards to privacy and I encourage everyone to avoid it if possible.

adiabatic_storm

Zelle is only fast settlement if both banks are enrolled in RTP, otherwise it's standard ACH settlement times. Which all goes to say, you're right but only when those circumstances exist. Banks can also hold txns if they suspect fraud etc. By contrast, with Bitcoin it's a guaranteed fast and final settlement every time no matter what.

stanley_fatmax

Almost all have alternatives to Plaid because Plaid does not support all banks or individuals. Just contact support and request micro-deposit ACH verification because you cannot use Plaid. If they ask questions, just say you're restricted from using Plaid based on the terms of a class action lawsuit. Plaid has been involved in quite a few privacy cases so it's not unrealistic. Plaid has a terrible privacy track record so it's not a bad idea to avoid them anyway. I always do.

RedditThrowaway-1984

Because a wire costs $25 or so and it’s much easier for him to write a check. ACH is possible for less than $10k, but most banks have lower limits. I think mine is $2,500 max for ACH. The thing is, if the bank knows you and you have money, they don’t make you wait for a check to clear. A $10k personal check would be available in my account instantly because they know I’m good for it if it bounces. Basically, if you need the money banks suck. If you don’t need the money they trip over themselves trying to give you some.

BlazingPalm

ACH is the best they can do and it can take 3+ business days (hope you’re not trying to transfer on a Friday!) I really wish they’d expedite small amounts (like under 10K) but I guess they have their reasons.

Bitter-Courage-4392

How come ACH is safer in your opinion?! With ACH connect, the other entity will get direct access, at least companies like Plaid are trying more security precautions and practices in my opinion, and the risk is less

omg_its_dan

Because an ACH hold by an exchange has nothing to do with Bitcoin itself

siasl_kopika

>I know what a money order is. Some places still do not accept money orders, and they are not required to. Can you name one? Ive never once seen a place that will take a check but not a money order, except for the reasons I listed about (what they actually want is not the check) >My point is that this should be available for individuals as well and so I'm looking for that solution. Im trying to understand the usecase here; i cant imagine any case where this is of particular benefit. >You can print a check on a normal printer and they must accept it. It will be much harder to make the deposit and annoying, so I can see them rejecting this for valid reasons while a money order comes with micr and you can deposit it without even knowing its money order at all. A money order is just a check written without a bank account after all. I would expect rather than a startup trying to solve this case, it would make a lot more sense to work on getting your vendors to just take btc and/or LN. Plenty of solutions for that exist, and they will direct ACH to their fiat bank so they dont have to lift a finger really.

Red4141

They should be aiming to replace ACH and settlement services.

Brap86

Kraken enforces this 7 day waiting period with each ACH, its not only the first instance. Every single deposit… its so asinine but the alternative is a wire transfer which comes with ridiculous fees and 3-5 business days for processing.

rgnet1

Such a non-argument. "It's difficult to do because both sides don't have the tech." That's the same for absolutely anything. I can't send fiat to anyone unless they provide me bank details (of many different confusing varieties... ACH, sort, swift, iban...) or an intermediary service identifier (Venmo, Paypal...). Point is, bitcoin is very easy if both parties use bitcoin. Digital fiat bank transfers vary wildly.

Horror_Ride9619

Beyond many lacks in the car-bitcoin-comparison there is one very huge: Ford never begs anyone buying his cars by running shouting through the streets. The shift came because cars had many technical advantages over horses. Bitcoin has no advantage over established systems like Visa, Mastercard, SEPA, SWIFT, ACH. If Bitcoin could not be changed into USD it would be worthless while cars and horses are technologically completely independent bitcoin is tightly connected to USD in its use case. Bitcoin is famous because people bet on insane steady growth in the USD-per-BTC exchange rate to step out of the working class while already an equilibrium is reached which can only be left behind by further pushing huge sums of USD from institutional and state actors into the system.

GettingFasterDude

I’m wondering if it’s because bank ACH payments take a few days to clear, but I’m not sure.

Interesting_Loss_907

I still hold most of my stack, but cashed out a portion early this year for a real estate purchase. I’ve used both Coinbase & Kraken. My fees on Coinbase (using *Advanced* on their app) were appreciably lower than Kraken. But with Kraken I only sold smaller amounts so idk. Both exchanges I have accounts linked to a bank savings account that I’ve used many times. Both exchanges offer instant transfer for a few dollars, or regular ACH for free, for which they say it could take about 2 business days. In my experience my bank showed the incoming deposit always the next business day.

Squeezitgirdle

To add some more to this list off the top of my head: \- Use of VPNs or proxies \- Mismatched identity data (this is the most common I've encountered and it's usually because the customer made a typo) \-structuring / smurfing (breaking up deposits/withdrawals into smaller amounts just under reporting thresholds.) \- Use of mixers/tumblers: Some exchanges will straight up ban you for this cause they don't want to deal with the risk. \- Using an exchange to deposit crypto, convert it, then immediately withdraw \- self-trading (selling and buying from yourself) \- Deposits from gambling sites (also a common one, my current company flags for this) \- Refusal to provide source-of-funds documentation (this usually happens after a flag was tripped though) \- Frequent failed deposit attempts (ACH returns, rejected wires). \- frequent use of prepaid visa cards \- a suspicious login from a country where crypto is banned or the exchange does not offer services in. \- vague or suspicious explanations of what you're doing with crypto (for example, if you call/email support and they try to be friendly asking how you got into crypto / what you're planning to use it for / etc. They may sound friendly, but those are actually probing questions. It's not malicious probing, though. Mostly intended to make sure the client isn't getting scammed / etc.) and like you said, there are many more.

pickleBoy2021

Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication. Last word in SWIFT. It’s a messaging service to communicate that you are moving money. For example, the Vatican has a swift number but they don’t move money on swift. They use it to relay secure messages then use SEPA to move money from the banks to the destination. Same as ACH in the US. There are trillion dollar distressed debt markets that don’t use Swift but fax machines for confirmation. Then money is moved between the banks. No single point of failure. Just old pipes like the plumbing in your town. Old and patchy and fragmented but not a single point.

xBrodoFraggins

Not 100% sure, tbh. Haven't tried. I imagine if you do an ACH transfer, it's probably free like most platforms, just a 2-3 day turnaround.

Buster1UP

I’m a little partial to it since I’ve had it for so many years, but for sure the rewards were amazing in the past. I make about $50 in BTC per month currently, but I purchase a lot of the gift cards for food apps constantly. Fold is the only way I have found to pay my mortgage with ACH and receive rewards. I also have Gemini card for the 3% back. I swipe that for all restaurants not covered by fold.

toodimes

There is no reputable exchange with no limits that operates in the US. ACH transactions expose risk to the exchanges, as there is a very large window where fraud can be claimed and money can be clawed back. This means exchanges MUST impose limits of some sort on ACH transactions. In almost every exchange in the US if your risk profile is higher than average the ACH limit will be lower

SherbetFluffy1867

River Financial does impose limits on ACH transfers: Weekly ACH deposit limit: $150,000 per week Daily instant-buy ACH limit: $100,000 per business day River doesn’t restrict deposits based on your bank. ACH limits are account-wide, not per bank. Wires have no deposit cap. External banks—not River—might limit crypto-related activity due to regulatory pressure.

infinitecipher

I'm aware of that option, but mistakenly assumed you were using the debit card to pay off the credit card. You must have sufficient debit spend to get the ACH cash back. I've not for quite some time. You mentioned rent. I don't have rent, and my mortgage can't be paid with debit. You also mentioned gas, but I get 5% back on my credit card at gas stations, so I won't be using a debit card for 0.5% even if it gets me an extra 0.25% on the ACH payment later.

PheelGoodInc

ACH. Fold gives a routing and account number

GiveMeYourSmile

As I wrote earlier: Kraken only allow Wire or ACH Transfer to my bank accounts within the US. SWIFT is not available for my account and support said it won't be available.

110010010011

> they only allow Wire or ACH Transfer to my bank accounts within the US Could you try a different protocol to a local bank, or is your only business account on Wise? Kraken supports SWIFT to non-US accounts. And if Wise doesn't support each and wires from cryptocurrency exchanges, but somehow still support such transfers from onesafe, they will shut it down as soon as they discover that onesafe is an exchange.

GiveMeYourSmile

Thanks for your advice! I have a Kraken business account, but the problem is that they only allow Wire or ACH Transfer to my bank accounts within the US – options that I don't have at the moment, because I have only Wise account. I don't know if Coinbase has this limitation, but based on the fact that most platforms have separate US sites, I assume Coinbase may have the same restrictions. Kraken + Mercury would work great, but unfortunately Mercury refused to serve me without explanation, so I'm looking for a solution that will allow cryptocurrency transactions specifically at the stage of withdrawing them to fiat :)