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Going off [https://www.strategy.com/](https://www.strategy.com/) They got $8.2 Billion in debt, first batch of $1.01B due in 2028 (can be forced to payout in 2027), average interest rate 0.5% STRD Preferred stock $1.255B issued at 10% STRK Preferred stock$1.4B issued at 8% STRC Preferred stock $3B issued at 10.50% STRF Preferred stock $1.3B issued at 10% STRE Preferred stock $0.7B (USD) issued at 10% So thats a total of $8.8B at roughly 10% So they need close to 1 Billion a year for interest and preferred stock dividends. Based on their current holdings (and current Bitcoin price) is a 2% dilution required. So effectively its just a really expensive Bitcoin ETF atm. No idea how they are going to raise more money to buy bitcoin. But also can't see them getting into real trouble until the first bonds become due.
I get what you are coming from, it’s difficult to make sense of all the rather complex information. The dividends are not paid on their bitcoin holdings, they are being paid on the $8b in credit, STRD, STRK, STRF, STRC and STRE.
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[This is the thread & request that got me started if you want context.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/s/ViWrqdDCRO) “Combined value of liabilities and shares” is a total of the value of the Total Liabilities line item plus the value of the preferred shares (think I just used STRK marketcap). This was first calculated in USD value and then for each period I divided that value by the closing price of BTC the day that the reporting period closed to figure out the BTC value of that debt plus preferred shares. Separately, once total BTC holdings/common shares was calculated I subtracted the BTC value that represented the combined debt + preferred shares to get a “true” value for BTC underlying each share based on my understanding of the original request. Simpler Version: The initial request that I was playing with wanted to see the BTC per share and wanted to see the result if we subtracted total liabilities & preferred shares. Primary reason it’s important is just because I was trying to throw together the view OP in the original post had asked for. Regarding the liabilities line itself, a company has three categories on the balance sheet: assets (cash, BTC holdings, equipment, etc) which are used to generate revenue on the left hand side. Then on the right we have liabilities (this is the borrowed debt/financing) plus equity (invested capital). Ratios like assets/liabilities (debt to assets ratio) and similar are generally used as a metric for understanding how leveraged a company is and is useful in considering risk as well as how effectively a company is utilizing debt to drive revenue. MicroStrategies has recently begun issuing preferred shares (fixed dividends & priority to be paid in event of liquidation but no voting rights) in addition to common shares. I believe the original request’s logic was to see 1) how much BTC exposure an investor receives per share and 2) how much exposure is there after accounting for debt & the issuance of preferred shares. Presumably, the goal was to better understand what you are getting when you purchase MSTR vs just buying BTC or a BTC ETF. Going into it, I assumed that MSTR’s accumulation strategy would lead to increasing BTC/share so that over a long period a one-time buy of $10k for example could lead to a larger total exposure than buying $10k worth of BTC & hodling. Assuming I didn’t fudge anything though, this isn’t true as the company is issuing shares far faster than they are accumulating BTC. You would need to account for stock splits but surface level it appears that you need 10x as many shares in 2025 as you did in 2024 to have the same exposure. In other words, people who buy MSTR & hold over time will see their shares backed less by BTC and more by the MicroStrategy reputation as time progresses. Overall takeaway is probably that if you want exposure to BTC then buy BTC or an BTC ETF and stay away from MSTR.
I believe that cryptocurrency is like a ticket to Disneyland that not everyone can get. I'm not talking about the financial aspect, but the psychological and moral one. In what other investment world can you get 10-50x your initial investment? I think nowhere else. It's just a matter of strategy, planning, and the ability to wait. When many people enter the cryptocurrency market, they buy and hope that their coin will skyrocket in a couple of days. But in the end, the coin plummets, and they sell it. Take the STRK coin, for example. Let's say the first person bought it for $2 at almost the peak of its price and still holds it to this day, but he has his own strategy and plan for his portfolio. The second person bought it now for $0.13 without a plan and with the hope that it will grow soon. Who has a better chance of making money? I would bet on the first person, because they have already survived all possible declines and will wait until the coin rises to $3 and make their +50%. The second person will not be able to survive the decline of this coin, which is likely to happen, because they wanted to get rich and will simply sell it at a loss. In cryptocurrency, you need a plan, a strategy, patience, and most importantly, you shouldn't look at the charts every day if you only trade on the spot market.
This article is so misguided.. Equity = asset - debt You can’t just directly compare its bitcoin holding to its share mcap, especially considering they issued all these preferred convertible STRC, STRK etc etc.
I grabbed a couple of shares of MSTR, MSTY (I know, be nice) STRK, STRD, STRC and maybe one other before I even knew what they were. Bags are bleeding but I’m in it for long term😅
The analogy I love is an oil refinery taking in crude oil and refining it into petroleum, gasoline, kerosene, etc. MSTR is taking 'crude' digital capital and 'refining' it into different financial instruments (STRK, STRF, etc). The other argument is that since fiat currency depreciates due to inflation, companies don't like to keep cash on their books so they buy back stocks, offer dividends, etc. By keeping the books on a 'bitcoin standard', companies don't have to worry about inflation devaluing whatever cash they have The majority of my position is definitely in bitcoin but I do think mstr having such a large supply of the BTC, as well their financial instruments, gives them a unique leg up. Right now mstr is down heavily but eventually I think it does recover and mstr will have a very important position in the new digital economy
Anyone looking for less vol would buy their preferred equity instruments. STRC, STRF, STRK
Sure. I’m referring to STRC/STRD/STRF/STRK. MSTR doesn’t do a dividend. Which one do you think holds more weight? Bitcoin or the faith and trust of the US Government 🤓 see where this is in 5 years
The company, Strategy, plans on paying its **$689 million total annual interest and dividend obligations** primarily through the use of its **Common Equity ATM** (At-The-Market offering) [1, 2]. Strategy emphasizes that it has **"more than sufficient access to liquidity"** to manage its total annual interest and dividend obligations due to its proven track record of capital raising activities [3]. The company feels confident that its ATM will be **"more than supportive"** for all of these dividend obligations [1]. ### Details of the Annual Obligation The total annualized interest and dividend obligations of **$689 million** (as of October 24, 2025) comprise [4, 5]: * **$522 million** in cumulative dividends on preferred equity (STRF, STRC, and STRK) [5]. * **$125 million** in non-cumulative dividends on preferred equity (STRD) [5]. * **$35 million** in interest expense on its convertible debt [5]. The $689 million annual obligation represents a small fraction of the company's financial metrics [2, 3]: * **1.7%** of the **Last Twelve Months (LTM) Total Capital Raised** ($40.4 billion) [2]. * **2.6%** of the **LTM Common Equity Raised** ($26.9 billion) [2]. * **6.1%** of the **Year-to-Date 2025 Operating Income** ($12.0 billion) [2, 6]. * **21.7%** of the **Average Daily Volume (Common Equity Last 30 Days)** ($3.9 billion) [2]. Furthermore, Strategy highlights that its large Bitcoin holdings provide significant coverage for these long-term obligations. With $74 billion in Bitcoin holdings, the company asserts that its assets are sufficient to cover approximately **120 years of its annual preferred dividend needs** at current prices [3].
Can you elaborate on this strategy a bit more? Let's say you have a $1k credit card bill. Do you borrow $1k from a BTC backed loan, then pay down the principal from your paycheck, or let the loan ride and make interest payments from STRK dividends? Do you then open up another loan for the next CC payment? Just curious how the loan part works.
I love the MSTR preferred stocks! Go with STRC if you want to minimize price fluctuations. MSTR is down a bit so STRK might be a good choice if it rebounds.
If you go this route, just buy STRK or STRC for the high yield.
BDCs & or CEFs credits having a bad time right know … it might be a good time to DCA some … theres also BTC backed credit … althought thats a little iffy … i have some STRK, but you must know that the $$$ distributions come from diluting common stockholders … so thats why its iffy, cause we know BTC itself doesnt generate any fiat income
The answer would reasonably be that to hold specific related information stocks and BTC (Bitcoin Treasury Companies) is to some extent diversified. Ie., I hold MSTR, STRK, CEP, MTPLF, IRIS, CIFR, WULF, BLSH, BMNR, and Gold and Silver,(physical). Maybe some combination for consideration. I hold other things too. Bloom Energy, MARA, HIVE, ARKX, ARKQ to name a few. None of these necessarily stray far yet provide some diversity. AI/Energy is the next five or ten years of innovation and infrastructure development. Holding foundational technologies almost exclusively in the NASDAQ is a great Macro opportunity. FWIW.
You are forgetting STRK, STRD, STRC, STRF and any future preferreds. You are dismissing future avenues for yield via BTC banking avenues etc. Put it this way, if mNAV is approx 1.4x, they need to achieve 40%+ BTC yield over the entire life time of the stock, to ensure MSTR outperforms spot bitcoin over the same duration, even if mNAV trended down to 1. 25% yearly accrual I agree is extremely unlikely moving forwards... but 40% over a lifetime? Sounds realistic to me.
Before dismissing this completely, let me give you an overview of how this works. If you still have doubts, I'll just fuck off and leave you in your bubble. I pay for everything using credit cards and BTC backed loans. I pay off the CC balance in full as soon as my monthly pay comes in to avoid interest charges. The rest is then split between more BTC DCA that's then sent to cold storage, and purchases of additional STRK shares, generating income and offering downside protection with decent upside potential and steady income that repays BTC loans. Liquadation risk is non-existent as I have stable employment, cash flow, and only a small portion of my stack is used as collateral. I sold my house pre-covid and fully intend to rent for the rest of my life, despite the investment growing so much I could now buy multiple RE. My NW continues skyrocketing and the introduction of STRK has made this strategy not only more effective, but also far safer compared to using MSTY for similar purpose. Basically, borrow and spend a depreciating currency while accumulating an appreciating asset, without ever having to sell or get taxed. No reason to hold any FIAT anymore.
I cannot buy STRC or STRK on margin, only MSTR. I put in $2500 to get $5000 buying power just to check it out. But it won't let me buy STRC on margin. Let me know if I'm doing something wrong or if I need to put more in to be able to buy it
Literally just buy and hold BTC. That's it. If you want to play around, here's a copypaste of my comment posted elsewhere; >I pay for everything using credit cards and BTC backed loans. I pay off the CC balance in full as soon as my monthly pay comes in to avoid interest charges. The rest goes straight into more BTC DCA that's then sent to cold storage. Outside of my emergency fund, I have no cash anymore. >Some funds are used to purchase additional STRK shares, generating income. I experimented with MSTY but it's not as good for this purpose. STRK offers downside protection with some upside potential and steady income that repays BTC loans and the remainder is reinvested. >Liquadation risk is non-existent as I have stable employment and only a small portion of my stack is used as collateral. >After a few years of learning, nothing else makes sense to me anymore. I do not own any depreciating assets apart from my car or really anything that'd be taking money out of my pocket. I sold my house pre-covid and fully intend to rent for the rest of my life. The freedom this way of life provides is unbeatable and my NW continues skyrocketing while I travel the world. >Basically, borrow and spend a depreciating currency while accumulating an appreciating asset, without ever having to sell and get taxed. Way more efficient than the spend and replace strategy, just slightly more complex.
Naw. 80 year olds generally are advised to very strictly invest only in MSTR and related products like STRK. But seriously, …..
I pay for everything using credit cards and BTC backed loans. I pay off the CC balance in full as soon as my monthly salary comes in to avoid interest charges. The rest goes straight into more BTC. Outside of my emergency fund, I have no cash anymore. Some funds are used to purchase additional STRK shares, generating income. I experimented with MSTY but it's not as good for this purpose. STRK offers downside protection with some upside potential and steady income that is then reinvested. Liquadation risk is non-existent as I have stable employment and only a small portion of my stack is used as collateral. After a few years of learning, nothing else makes sense to me anymore.
Just do it bro. Millionaires diversify after making their money. You only have to be right once and your life changes forever. This is the best risk adjusted returns in the world. If you need income do half bitcoin and half STRK preferred stock. Pays 8% a year as a dividend and has some Bitcoin upside.
Can someone rate my bags? 50% LINK 12% HBAR 9% ALGO 9% TAO 7% ETH 6% LTC 4% ICP 3% STRK. Planning on selling late 2025. Any input or critiques appreciated!
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STRC and STRK aren't promising specific returns?
STRK and STRC don't count?
What I meant was you could borrow against the btc the. Use the proceeds on STRK. I don’t think I would do that, I’d just get more btc, personally.
Not quite the same thing, borrowing against your btc is more at the mercy of market swings, whereas the STRK plan would just rely on MSTR not going bankrupt in my lifetime. However, I'm personally doing more of the rolling borrowing as you describe, and would never want to lose my BTC position entirely.
STRK is microstrategy's convertible preferred share. Simple math is that I expect MSTR to generally 1.5x btc's gains, and STRK to get 1/3 of that upside while paying me a fixed amount that I could plan my life around. So I'd get half as much upside of BTC but with a stable income in perpetuity. However, I could also convince myself that my BTC will go up to 2 million, and if I execute the strategy at that point, i could live on $142,000/year instead. And I think STRK is stable with a great future so long as MSTR doesn't go out of business.
Why buying STRK? Is it because you feel it's a strong asset with great future? Or because you think it's stable enough?
If I wanted to retire on 1 million, I would probably sell the BTC and take the LTCG tax. Then I'd buy $850,000 of STRK, keeping my bitcoin exposure while getting a fixed $71,000/year in dividends forever.
pfff never sell your BTC buy CEFs (CRF, CLM, special drip at NAV) buy income generators (e.g., ULTY, YMAX, YBTC) buy growth (e.g., SCHG, QQQM) buy MLPs and REITs/mREITs (e.g., ET, USAC, O, MAIN, CSWC, SBR, etc.) buy Strategy preferred (STRK, STRF, STRC) - STRK = Yield Engine - STRF = Stability Layer - STRC = Capital Anchor - STRD = (situational) buy buy buy and hodl after all the years of fancy trading and options trading etc., I have found that these instruments are sufficient and that buy and hold is the best strategy (for me) because it frees up my time but these vehicles still use the same mechanisms I used to trade so now I have more time but keep the yield Accumulation is the name of the game Rebalance when you have opportunities that make sense but accumulate often and sit on it Time in the market beats timing the market Focus on tax strategy Don't follow stupid fads like selling MSTY to buy ULTY just keep hodling the MSTY and ride out the investment while you continue to accumulate elsewhere
That’s what I’m doing now. However I’m doing a mix of all the preferreds. STRC, STRK, STRD and STRF. I’m not doing 6months, more like 2. Access to Heloc, credit cards, 401k loans, brokerage margin make 6 too much for me.
Yep, this is why things such as STRD, STRK, STRF and STRC were created. To create avenues for those restricted pools of capital to move into. Also why treasury companies are a thing.
5. MSTR, STRK, STRF, STRD, STRC. Also they have NO revenue to pay dividend on any of these preffered shares. So they will have to continue issuing new IPO to pay dividend on old IPO and buy more BC. sound familiar.
""Strategy now offers four Nasdaq-listed securities (MSTR, STRK, STRF, STRD), with STRC as its latest addition, reinforcing its capital markets strategy to raise funds for direct Bitcoin acquisition."" STRE, STRG, STRH, ect.... next. this will definitely end well. We are witnessing the biggest ponzi scheme in history in real time.
MSTR can simply print more shares and sell them. as long as mNAV is above 1x this trade is accretive. meaning, the BTC per share still increases, even though there are more shares now so far selling shares was the main vehicle. they have invented many others, but those are not as popular or effective. the reason is that their debt does not have a proper credit rating. and the reason for that is credit rating agencies do not know how to properly value the BTC stack that MSTR holds. once that is resolved and once they get some sort of a credit rating, I don't know BB- or something, they will have no problem massively scaling. it's just simple debt, backed by a collateral, a very standard thing. as long as it follows the rules and pays competitive dividends, they can open up a huge market potentially. but so far, no. so far Saylor just prints more MSTR shares and sells them. all other instruments like STRF, STRK, etc are just an asterisk, a rounding error
Are we reaching the point where even folks cashing out their crypto gains park their funds in....STRK / STRD / STRF / STRC? That would complete the full circle and create the fiat decimation perpetual machine.
It will be an unpopular view, but STRC from MSTR acts like a layer 2 system retrofitted over traditional brokerage accounts that enabled you to Stake worthless Fiat USD in a way that returns worthless Fiat at 9%, paid monthly, which will be attractive to ETFs, any company or hedge funds holding US Treasuries, etc. In exchange, the initial offerings and subsequent ATM offerings of STRC will lock up more BTC forever in a smart contract. The equity growth pays the yield. We know that adding $1 in equity as a purchase reduces supply and drives up the price of all other BTC (and subsequently Alt coins pegged to BTC) by a factor larger than 1. A few hundred million in purchases a few weeks ago pushed us past 113k to 117k and opened the gate higher even though it raises the market cap by billions. That is an efficient use of capital. Tools like STRC, STRD, STRK, and STRF capture TradFi capital and lock away BTC, increasing equity further. If you need monthly cash flow, STRC can replace an easy way to get monthly Fiat, more efficiently than HYSA. And buying and holding it will promote the equity lift of BTC and alts overall.
Anyone on this sub who has actually bought any of the MSTR preferred share instruments? STRK, STRF, STRD?
TYSONS CORNER, Va.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Strategy™ (Nasdaq: MSTR; STRK; STRF; STRD) today announced that, subject to market and other conditions, it intends to conduct an initial public offering registered under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the “Securities Act”), of 5,000,000 shares of Strategy’s Variable Rate Series A Perpetual Stretch Preferred Stock (the “STRC Stock”). Strategy intends to use the net proceeds from the offering for general corporate purposes, including the acquisition of bitcoin and for working capital. TL;DR - Looks like MSTR is gearing up for another huge round of raising capital.
STRK would be only good in bearmarkets when you don't want to sell from your stack. but these products like STRK also kind of limits your upside potential. ( Yes I know STRK is convertible to MSTR )
I am all about owning real Bitcoin in cold storage, but given the FIRE conversation this may be helpful information. As other users have mentioned here, when you FIRE you don’t sell you stack to sit on cash and bitcoin does not produce yield to live off of (yes, it appreciates tremendously). Some of the products Strategy offers could be a great fit. STRD has >10% yield and STRK has >8% yield and convertibility to MSTR. These products pay yields *in perpetuity!*. There is a lot more detail with the products so DYOR and yes owning Bitcoin yourself is likely the best option for people, but for those seeking traditional FIRE yield income these are great options.
My market portfolio is 100% Bitcoin and Bitcoin-related stuff (MSTR, OWNB, STRK, MSTY, IBIT, etc)
Check out STRK & STRF 8% and 10% divy and still have some BTC upside as these bonds are being priced at junk when they are 6x more collateralized than typical bonds
I didn't say it would. I listed a theoretical BTC Standard, where many equity holders transact on the Blockchain with BTC instead of with a floating variable Fiat currency like dollars or an expanding mineral supply like Gold. Gold is closest. Basically BTC as digital transferable collateral. Not as currency. Iran and Russia already do this to bypass USD sanctions. MSTR via Saylor is already tapping into the Pension market to BTC. The US bond market is one of th asset classes pensions can buy into. STRD, STRF, and STRK are all basically bonds that more income driven firms and investors are buying up by the millions and billions. He doesn't have to just issue more MSTR common stock any more. So that is how it will soak up some market share of equity. I don't think it is far fetched at all to suggest BTC achieves parity with Gold in equity. So you know how much Gold is mined every year? Every day? Every Hour? It is way more than you would expect. That market cap seems content to keep inflating.
There has never been a better RISK ADJUSTED time to buy Bitcoin. The US government, banks, and Blackrock have all endorsed it as the only digital commodity. I started buying after the ETF got approved. There is no going back from that moment. They aren’t taking an investment vehicle out of the hands of pensions and hedge funds after giving it a green light. Go all in if you can stomach the volatility. If not, buy 0.5 BTC and keep the rest in STRK earning 6.25% dividend with the long term upside of MSTR.
>Raised $519M from MSTR, Took money from new investors. >paid the STRK / STRF dividend To pay old investors. What's that called again?
The purpose of STRD is to trade at a discount to STRK. Who said they were convertible? They are for fixed income investors. STRD carries a 10% non-cumulative coupon and is non-convertible. Crucially, the company can call it at any time, giving Saylor the flexibility to suspend coupon payments during bear markets without accumulating arrears. This feature preserves full upside potential if btc value significantly increases, providing Saylor with complete operational discretion. It's important to note that none of these instruments use specific btc as collateral. Instead, investors receive their yield based on MicroStrategy's overall btc asset coverage, not through secured liens. This arrangement allows investors to gain btc-adjacent yield without breaching fiduciary or regulatory restrictions.
Ran the MSTR ATM for ONE WEEK Raised $519M from MSTR, paid the STRK / STRF dividend, and still had $472M left over to buy Bitcoin… Preferred Equity > Convertible Bonds
Do you have access to STRK/STRF? Knocks the socks off 4% for short term savings.
Actually much heavier (60%) in MSTR/STRF/STRK/STRD (70/10/10/10), no IBIT, ULTY is in a brokerage account and all the divvy’s get sent to strike, powering a DCA buy daily and subsequently to my hard wallet every .03 BTC or so. Nothing against IBIT, just prefer self custody. MSTR play is core, as a leveraged play.
I would buy btc. alternatively, you could buy a MSTR yield product, STRF/STRK keep you principal pay the yield toward principal. You can find all kinds of stuff that yield 4+% all of which is better than returning capital to the bank.
You could do interest only loan, differ principal payment at loan maturation. Or use the 300K loan to buy Strategy's preferred stock STRK 10% cash dividend no expiry. Stock goes up and dividend increases. Your investment pays for itself
Ah good thinking, thanks for the tip. I typed STRK into my current provider and it came up with Microstrategy Inc preferred shares. So I think that's it. Doesn't display STRK anywhere.
I did something similar with a large portion of my IRA in the US. Is MSTR's STRK available to you? Its a bit lower risk with an estimated 80% of bitcoin upside with only like 10% downside. Im in my 30s as well, this money cant be moved for like 20 years without big penalty so Im hoping the long game works. Easy to have diamond hands in those accounts if there is some big draw downs.
I'm fully diversified. - BTC - Bitcoin ETF (FBTC) - MSTR - STRK - STRD - STRF - MTPLF
Don't EVER fade Michael Saylor. The guy accumulated the world's greatest digital mountain of collateral and now has in a matter of months made traditional financial advisors totally obsolete. Want growth? On a risk-adjusted basis, how does anything beat $MSTR? Oh yeah, $STRK is an option. Want more income than any bond exposure can give you? $STRF. Strategy is changing the financial landscape faster than AI is and you continue to doubt this genius trillionaire LMFAO
Research STRK & STRF that have been developed by Strategy (MSTR). STRK has an 8% dividend and can be bought in an ISA or SIPP through platforms like AJ Bell. Maybe as an alternative to a property?
>Let’s play the game where you disregard all the stats that don’t help your case (which are widely accepted as useful) and only use the stats that help support your case. What stats have I disregarded that show Cardano getting genuine traction? >If you’re going to take this approach why open your post with: hey guys, no fud, I’m really open minded and just curious actually, can someone help me learn? Because I knew people would be defensive, so I laid it out as objectively as I could. >And then every reply where someone tries to convey information you immediately shoot it down. Link me one single reply where I shot it down unfairly as an example here so I can fix it or explain how it wasn't just me shooting them down. Most replies did exactly what I talking about, they kept pointing back to the same qualities that haven't led to adoption in the previous 8 years, as if that's magically going to change in the next 8 years. So if I shot them down, that would make a ton of sense. If I say "X, Y, and Z, are great qualities, but it doesn't lead to A, B, or C". And then someone replies "Stop fudding it, it has X, Y, and Z. It's really great!" Don't you understand why I would shoot that down? >One has to wonder if Cardano is a ghost chain with no notable development why Santiment just published this: >“🧑💻 Here are crypto's top overall coins by notable development activity the past 30 days. Directional indicators represent each project's rank rise or fall since last month: >📈 1) Internet Computer $ICP 🥇 📉 2) Chainlink $LINK 🥈 📉 3) Starknet $STRK 🥉 📉 4) Cardano $ADA” And has that led to **ANY ACTUAL USE OF THE CARDANO BLOCKCHAIN?** Not really. [As Cardano struggles to even get to **ONE** transaction per second.](https://imgur.com/a/KFxpoxQ) So, again, congrats on having the awesome quality of having a lot of github activity(the X, Y, Z) but it hasn't led to any actual usage (the A, B, C). Really, congrats on the github commits that have been pushed, but pushing github commits doesn't sustain a blockchain in the real world. >Haven’t they and Forbes heard the decree from the super open-minded curious guy that the only metric that can possibly matters is fees? Can you pay validators in github commits?
Let’s play the game where you disregard all the stats that don’t help your case (which are widely accepted as useful) and only use the stats that help support your case. If you’re going to take this approach why open your post with: hey guys, no fud, I’m really open minded and just curious actually, can someone help me learn? And then every reply where someone tries to convey information you immediately shoot it down. Why play this stupid game where you pretend to want to learn something when really you’re just a troll? Own your trollness so as not to waste everyone’s time. One has to wonder if Cardano is a ghost chain with no notable development why Santiment just published this: “🧑💻 Here are crypto's top overall coins by notable development activity the past 30 days. Directional indicators represent each project's rank rise or fall since last month: 📈 1) Internet Computer $ICP 🥇 📉 2) Chainlink $LINK 🥈 📉 3) Starknet $STRK 🥉 📉 4) Cardano $ADA” Haven’t they and Forbes heard the decree from the super open-minded curious guy that the only metric that can possibly matters is fees?
Fair enough cant go wrong with bitcoin. Also to your point about dilution, yes, equity dilution is a risk however Saylor is also innovating new financial products to investors such as perferred stocks (STRD, STRF, STRK) which now allows him to buy BTC without issuing MSTR shares. This is highly accretive to shareholder value
Every liquid saving/investment I have is either: - bitcoin in cold storage - mstr - STRK The STRK is pretty new, but still going to be correlated with bitcoin albeit with lower volatility in theory. There's some equity in my house, and my wife has some investments that are more 'traditional' - but I'd describe myself as pretty much all-in.
Today's MSTR bitcoin announcement is interesting because it's the first buy after the STRD product launch, as well as the STRK / STRF scaling over the last 2 weeks and lack of common stock ATM. This isn't just relevant to Strategy holders - if Saylor keeps improving methods of tapping into fixed income markets, that's driving a lot of capital into bitcoin that would otherwise be stranded.
What about STRK and STRF. Companies that want Bitcoin with the volatility stripped away due to regulatory shit but still want exposure and a guaranteed 8% or 10%. Some of the upside with none of the downside. Better than bonds. These companies won’t buy bitcoin but seem to happily buy preferred stock of MicroStrategy (not company stock) so no dilution for shareholders. They do their own thing and MicroStrategy buys bitcoin because they don’t mind the volatility and want all of the upside. Everyone gets what they want? For people that want to buy straight bitcoin then they can.
You think he's operating fraudulently like FTX was? I can see them having to sell some to cover the converts and the STRK dividends, but BTC would have to drop maybe 80% and stay there for a couple of years for that to happen. So, MSTR selling would tank the market, but for them to be forced to sell the market would have to tank first, meaning Saylor is unlikely to be the catalyst. Unless he's running a ponzi or something like that...which, for the love of God I hope he isn't! lol
That is why they use intelligent leverage. MSTR aims for around 15%-20% debt iirc. Issue convertible bonds to buy BTC -> increases debt leverage Issue common stock ATM to buy BTC -> decreases debt leverage Along with other innovative financial instruments that sit elsewhere on the risk curve, such as perpetual preferred stock among others (STRK, STRF, STRD) which can also be ATM indefinitely. In short these companies have plenty of levers to control their debt levels. In the case of MSTR, BTC would need to drop to around 20k before they will start sweating. Also. regarding the convertible bonds, this debt is unsecured meaning it is not backed by the treasury asset (BTC).
30% BTC, 20% MSTR, 30% STRK, 10% MTPLF, 10% ALTBG is my targeted toxic Bitcoin-Maximalist Portfolio.
STRK and STRF both breaking par to the upside is an important market signal about the credit worthiness of MSTR. The wheels of bitcoin's demonetization of the bond market are turning. The global bond market is well over $100T, and the owners have just seen a major breakdown in the traditional 60/40 portfolio, with no end to the uncertainty in sight. Bitcoin bond demand could ramp up rapidly as an ideal hedge, offering high interest and growth upside for a rapidly diminishing credit risk. Bond demand translates quickly into bitcoin demand. Look at the STRF chart. Relentless bid on the creditworthiness of MSTR (and by extension, bitcoin) since the initial liberation day panic. A transformation in the market assessment of the credit worthiness of bitcoin means a relative floodgate of new tradfi wealth that can allocate responsibly. tl;dr. You're not bullish enough.
Stupid advice. Strategy is a trojan horse invading the tradfi market. The most insane financial bet of the century. Look at their STRF and STRK preferred stock. I wanna be part of that bet, even if it's just with a couple shares.
Bitcoin is going up over time, get in when you can. If it's for retirement look at getting some STRF or STRK in your SIPP 😉
Ok-so good BTC base-I hope you have it stored safely in a HW wallet… Now maybe cut back from 1K a month BTC to $500/month BTC and $500/month Microstrategy products: MSTR, MSTY, STRF and STRK. You’ll be there in 5-10 years…being able to retire if you want to at 35 is pretty good. I’m 51 and have a 10 year horizon also… There’s still 100x left in BTC, maybe more. It’s up over 1000x in the last 5 years, and the future for fiat looks bleak…so who knows. Maybe it takes 10 years for the next 1000x, but MSTR could split a couple times…if you get to 10 shares MSTR and it splits 10:1 2x, you’ll have 1000 shares…the dividend on MSTY is pretty phenomenal and the dividend on STRF is 10% forever and it’s a preferred dividend which means it’s taxed differently (lower). Good luck-don’t lose your conviction and sell if it hits 250 or 500k/coin…HODL
We have the same story...I bought in 2017 too, but I got a slight rugpull by BitConnect, but thankfully it wasn't a lot...but it's a telltale story of not getting rich quick schemes and do it the old-fashioned way...learn and earn...Crypto-R-Us and Ivan on Tech on YouTube kept me aggressively buying more..Michael Saylor was more philosophical about the "Ownership of Central Park Property." I listened to him intently and bought 200 shares of MicroStrategy at that time, $169 a share. When that made a profit, I started buying mutual and index funds for passive income weekly and monthly from the profit share of StrategyB. I now buy MSTY on a regular basis 600 shares going to 1,000 shares...I am using Fidelity to buy anything affiliated with Michael Saylor Like STRK MST that will give me dividend yields Weekly Monthy Quarterly Yearly and I buy from [YieldMaxEtfs.com](http://YieldMaxEtfs.com), [RoundhillInvestments.com](http://RoundhillInvestments.com), [DefianceEtfs.com](http://DefianceEtfs.com) and I'm building an IRA Roth Portfolio that will make most of my funds Tax Free, All thanks to Bitcoin and to people like you who saw the visions as I do...but I wont ever tell anybody how many I have...scammer read this stuff too and grifters and family members..they only see the end results and not the beginning, middle struggles of working hard and creating energy to get rewarded for the day and Friday Payday it would still be about the fiat system with the tax system that is robbing us blind...Bitcoin Saved my Life.
There are! Read more about the capital that STRK and STRF is targeting. Trillions!
Getting cash on hand is just taking money from MSTR shareholders (via ATM sales) to give to STRF and STRK holders lmao. From one pocket to the other pocket.
They all do different things. Bitcoin is Bitcoin and spot BTC should be the base of any strategy with the highest allocation. MSTR common stock is essentially leveraged Bitcoin. Each share is roughly backed by half of the fiat value of the share in bitcoin and its returns are setup to be 1.5-2x the return of bitcoin both on the upside and the downside. STRF is preferred stock that essentially acts to replace bonds within a portfolio. It pays the yield of a junk bond (10%), but is over 4x collateralized by BTC and if BTC enters a bear market, you will still be safe with the 10% yield. It is also paid quarterly so you can compound it if you would like to, and it is taxed as a qualified dividend which is nice for higher earners. There is also a re-pricing upside if MSTR can obtain a credit rating or if trad-fi starts pricing it in-line with the risk/reward for a bond of that yield. There is little risk given that level of collateralization and its place in priority to the assets in the event of BTC tanking and the company liquidating (BTC would have to fall back to around 16k for any shot of that happening). STRK is the same thing only you are sacrificing 2% yield for the ability to convert and enjoy MSTR’s upside if BTC does well and MSTR shoots past 1k/share. It’s all financial engineering to lure in institutional money and to be able to issue new STRF/STRK to obtain the 1.5-2x leverage for the MSTR commons. I have BTC, MSTR, STRK, and STRF with BTC having the highest allocation by far. The MSTR stack is used to sell options for income (similar to MSTY only cutting out the middle-man) and my STRF/STRK allocation is being built up to offset tax deductible debt on my farmland and to arbitrage the difference which gives me protection to wait out a BTC bear market if it should occur.
In short: STRF pays 10 % dividend per year in USD (fiat), STRK pays 8 % dividend per year + you can convert it to shares.
Do what's right for you, but taxes are gonna kill you. CGT and stamp duty. You are also losing out on the value opportunity of bitcoin appreciation, not to mention if you took out a mortgage and invested the remaining amount $STRK or $STRF depending on risk appetite. Even an S&P tracker should get you a higher return than the mortgage rate.
Keep in mind STRK and STRF has “payments”. But I’m not worried with the captain at the helm.
It's valued at a premium due to the ability to use financial markets, tools, and innovation to acquire more bitcoin and potentially do things with that bitcoin in the future. For example STRK and STRF are 2 products that had never been done before, Saylor talks about how he hammered AI with 100 back and forth iterations to get it 95% of the way to present to his accounting / legal team to finish it off. You can watch the earnings call and his key note at Strategy World for more info. Ps. I'm not advocating owning the stock, just answering your question.
Nope - if you are comparing them it’s a dead giveaway you simply don’t get it Widen your lens BTC is SAVINGS (not growth) MSTR is GROWTH (not savings) MSTY is INCOME (not savings) STRK & STRF are income and adding volatility to MSTR Each is a different part in a larger system- each with a role to play You use them all together as one system You build a self reinforcing perpetual flywheel of digital abundance It makes it possible that you never have to sell your BTC or MSTR to strip gains and lose all the future up side
The premium will start to disappear once Strategy is no longer able to successfully raise more money outside of diluting shareholders. They don't seem to have a real plan for cashflow. I'd keep on eye on STRK dividends.
Sorry for retardness, but can someone explain STRK/STRG for me? Im heavily invested in BTC and MSTR but lack the knowledge of other asset alternatives.
I have no idea what STRK, STRF, IMST, and MSTY are. The graphics is wrong, even comparing MSTR to Berkshire is a scandal. But: a call on a Bitcoin ETF is equivalent to a long position in Bitcoin, hedged by a put. There are plenty of situations where this can make sense.
I own a decent % in STRK but its not a cash alternative. It’s like a bond fund alternative.
IMST/MSTY are fucking garbage and STRK/STRF are in no way a cash alternative
tldr; Strategy, led by Michael Saylor, acquired 1,895 BTC for $180 million between April 28 and May 4, funded by selling MSTR and STRK shares. This purchase increases its holdings to 555,450 BTC, representing 2.6% of the total Bitcoin supply. Despite a Q1 earnings miss and a $4.2 billion net loss, the company plans to raise $21 billion to continue its aggressive Bitcoin acquisition strategy, aiming for a 25% BTC yield target and $15 billion in BTC dollar gains. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.
They seem to want to use the same business model as MSTR: BTC accretion through issuance of shares higher than the NAV in Bitcoin. Therefore, what I will do is to wait that the proper XXI shares can be bought and gauge at what BTC multiple they are trading (the company will "start" with a substantial amount of BTC, I think around 40,000). On payday, whenever they trade at a lower mNAV than MSTR I will consider buying XXI instead of MSTR, if equal or higher I will buy MSTR. I have a higher trust in MSTR's ability to leverage their BTC, because I think that their sheer dimesnion and first mover advantage gives them the ability to better place their debt or convertible shares (think STRK and STRF). However, in time of MSTR euphoria, with very high mNAVs, I think XXI will become an attractive proposition if at a noticeable lower mNAV.
If people are really desperate for yIeLd then STRK and STRF from Saylor are probably a bit safer. 8%-10%+
STRK (Stark industries) once stopped selling weapons. It was a disaster. So OP is right, it happened before. /s
There are a couple of companies like Semler and Metaplanet that are doing the exact Strategy. Most equities trade a multiple to their assets or earnings. >They are a company and they buy BTC why cant another company just buy it themselves instead of paying triple? 1. It's hard to become an operating business and a bitcoin holding company at the scale of a Nasdaq 100 company. 2. Most CEOs or Chairmen of large companies dont have the power to pursue a company shift to a bitcoin holding company strategy. They'd have to get shareholder and board approval, etc. 3. Many companies have regulations on the types of assets that can have on their balance sheets; e.g. many companies can only own bonds, some cant but spot BTC, some can buy equities, some only buy preferred stock, etc. For the companies who buy equities MSTR is a great option for BTC exposure. For preferred stock companies, STRK is the option. For debt buyers Convertible Bonds is the option. (The bond market is significantly larger than the stock market, so this is a huge source of capital that cannot buy bitcoin directly. MSTR has about 30% of the US convertible debt market)
Anyone got thoughts on this Strategy STRK preferred stock? It is supposed to accumulate 8%pa preferred dividend. So $8 an year and it's now trading just a shade over $80.
tldr; Strategy plans to offer up to $21 billion in 8.00% Series A Perpetual Strike Preferred Stock to expand its Bitcoin holdings, as per an SEC filing. The proceeds will fund Bitcoin acquisitions and general corporate purposes. The preferred shares, trading under the ticker 'STRK,' offer an 8% annual dividend and can be converted into Class A common stock. This move aligns with Strategy's '21/21 Plan' to raise $42 billion over three years to solidify its position as the largest Bitcoin Treasury Company. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.
Saylor just now: >Strategy Announces $21 Billion $STRK At-The-Market Program $MSTR https://www.strategy.com/press/strategy-announces-21-billion-strk-at-the-market-program_03-10-2025
No, owning MSTY does not mean you own Bitcoin. And I don't just mean that in an "indirect ownership doesn't count" kind of way. Oversimplifying a bit, MSTY is paying someone else to trade _options_ for you. You don't own the underlying asset. What you seem to be trying to describe would be something closer to the preferred shares (STRK) which do actually represent an ownership interest in the company and pay a dividend.