PNL

KayePi

I finished a website recently for a client, and I used this week's instalment of their payment to get some Bitcoin. In the past 12 hours, my PNL is at $8. Its not much, but I am thinking of finally taking the deep dive into the orange pill and stack up without withdrawing. They paid me in ETH. I love crypto payments man. I am tempted to withdraw though, its a public holiday today in my country and I gotta see people, but I might just decide to be a hermit until the next payment. Lol.

LankyRep7

I broke them years ago. Silly boomer get up early work hard fucks. I made your entire life's income in under a month. You traded you whole life for retirement savings that are less than my daily up or down on my PNL sheet. \-Basic understanding of Fiat being a scam never even occurred to them.

AlreadyPurchased

Lifetime PNL $-5,304.45

user93484

lol. PNL is literally the best indicator of demonstrating results. I take it you’re new to this?

Illustrious_Ear5946

Yo I have a problem, I follow dark crypto lord on copycat bybit, beside dat this guy only hard lose, I have now -1.2roi but positive PNL, how is this profitable?????

ThinNeighborhood2276

Yes, this is normal. Binance's closed PNL does not include commission fees. You need to account for these fees separately to get the actual profit or loss.

critiqueextension

Your observation about Binance's closed PNL excluding commission fees is accurate; realized PNL should indeed factor in these fees for an accurate representation of profit or loss. Most sources confirm that while the position history displays PNL without commissions, the true realized profit or loss incorporates all associated trading fees, emphasizing the importance of considering these costs when evaluating trading performance. * [What Is Profit and Loss (PnL) and How to Calculate It](https://www.binance.com/en/square/post/491182) * [Why are binance future's commissions so high? I did a test ...](https://www.quora.com/Why-are-binance-futures-commissions-so-high-I-did-a-test-trade-with-a-PNL-of-4-3-dollars-I-hit-market-order-to-claim-the-profit-and-even-tho-I-sold-at-a-higher-price-I-end-up-taking-4-dollars-in-commisions-Am-I) ^(This is a bot made by [Critique AI](https://critique-labs.ai). If you want vetted information like this on all content you browse, [download our extension](https://critiquebrowser.app).)

DD4LIFE8

Trial and error. Honestly I look at a few things. TLDR summary (still long lol). There only 1 trader I’ve found that has been safe and consistent with profits out of 20 I’ve used. During these past few weeks when everyone has been losing money, he’s made me a lot of money. He only trades DOGE, ETH and XRP. Copy him before he’s full. TraderRM is his name. Use the multiplier setting and leave everything at default, don’t set SL or close positions, I’ve found he is actually trustworthy and knows what he is doing. He has really good RM, does regular DCA’s, doesn’t do deposits mid trade that messes up the multiplier ratio that leads to failed orders, he’s not scared to close a trade and take a loss if it goes south instead of keeping them open trying to keep his win rate up and allowing them to ramp to massive negative levels, he doesn’t eat up all you margin on a single trade (mathematically he using about 5% of your current available margin per trade and DCA), generally he never leaves trades open when he sleeps so they are always monitored (he seems to be most inactive around 11am-7pm EST, he’s in South Korea/Vietnam, so I assume that’s him sleeping), he generally seems to focus on multiple small fast scalps instead of being greedy and trying to ride the trade to huge numbers. I’ve got around $4000 with him and this past week he has made me $100 to a couple $100 a day in this absolute shit market. May not seem like a lot but it adds up by the end of the week especially when you see everyone else bleeding (I’m eager to see his performance in a better market, I think he will be able to make me a few $100 a day minimum at that point). Anyway, that was the longest TLDR ever lol. But these are things I look for in other traders. Obviously higher win rates but doesn’t have to be 100%. Then I prefer traders that are actually trading their own money and not those BS ones that only keep $10 in their account to manipulate the ROI. Don’t get tricked by big flashy win rates or ROI numbers. Next I look at the followers profits. A lot of times the trader stats look solid but the follows are horrible. If you see most of his followers in the green, that’s a good sign. Especially when he has higher AUM from followers vs 100 people with just $10 each. Next is I look at their winning trades. If they are only winning them by a couple of percentage, then generally due to the system delay, yours will actually close negative and you lose money. A few here and there is fine but if the trader is consistently closing trades around 5% or less, generally I find it not worth it. Then there is the ones that don’t have proper RM. you don’t want them to put all your margin in a single trade. Sure when they win, they win and you make fast money. But it takes one bad trade a full margin to complete wipe you out. Another huge one is trader that deposit funds when there are open trades. If they do this, it messes up the ratio between your margin and theirs. Which leads to trades failing to execute which is especially bad when it’s a DCA that fails cause now you’re almost guaranteed to close in a negative number when they close the trade out because there’s will be positive number due to the DCA that you missed due to failed order. So traders that add money with open trades is a huge no for me, it’s asking for big trouble. Adding money when no trades are open is ok. Another big one is I look at all their losing trades. If they let trades get liquidated, that’s unacceptable. At that point they should at least close the trade out so you can keep a small out of the funds put into it. There is no reason you should ever let a trade liquid. Also if they have massive losses and a lot of them. I’m talking out of let’s say 10 losses, 8 of them were over 100%, that’s a turn off for me. Losses is part of it but if they ones they are losses are massive losses, it makes me very hesitant especially if they use large amounts of margin per trade cause that can wipe you out fast. Not worth the risk imo. I mean that about it. I also like traders that have been trading for at least 30 days so I can see how they perform. The way I filter through traders fast is by instantly checking their followers PNL. If their followers are making money, then I’ll dig into the other stats listed above in more details. There was a few other guys I was following that did ok. XTTrading was doing very good and had good RM but these past two weeks with this crazy market, he hasn’t don’t good and his follows went from good positive PNL to substantial negative PNL cause he hasn’t serval trades open past -100 ROA that all got liquidated in that big crash on 2-2-25. He tends to leave trades open for days, sometimes weeks at a time. When they market was good, he was making good money but TraderRM mentioned above made better profits and has a much better strategy overall. Honestly no point in using XTTrader with TraderRM around. Another one that’s very high risk, high reward is orcinus orca. He doesn’t have much followers. He has a habit to use ALL your margin on a single trade which can lead to massive wining profits. But if things go to shit, he has to deposit money to DCA which means you have to deposit money and then the ratio is all messed up and there is high chance of the order failing unless you’re really good at mathing out the difference between his ratio and yours to ensure you deposit enough money an order won’t fail. He tends to have a decent week followed by one massive loss that wipes him out. He’s made up up to a grand in one day with small margin. And instead of me pulling that profit out when I should have, he then lost it all on the next trade. So it’s a risky game with him. Overall, I recommend staying away unless you want to gamble with a small amount to make it bigger. Lately he’s been a little less risky after the last two big losses he had. But still extremely high risk. Constantly remove your margin, don’t let it compound with him or he will lose it. Well that’s it I think. Highly recommend checking out TraderRM.

DowntownDeal7761

I'm just looking for a coin with the highest 'PNL' in my portfolio, selling it, and buying another one with potential growth. In just 2 days, I turned $1,000 into $1,700. I think I'm starting to get the hang of it.

tsa26

Can someone explain new Binance Credit Trading mode? I have 120 USDC, and I opened long position with 56$ and 10x leverage in which I am currently in "Unrealized PNL" with 46$. I dont understand how only 12 BNFCR are available for me to open in new position?

tl1225

No, no no no no do not buy it, all the experts are saying it’s going to gazillion it’s not and even if it does, it will take a long time. That’s forecast is 150. I don’t think it gets there because sooner or later people will realize holding $100,000 coin and making 50% is nothing compared to making 1000%. They will sell their bitcoin to buy the cheap ones. You should too. I love CSWaP,ring.A, XRP. I’m loading up on them. I can show you my PNL daily. I will not sell anything till at least mid December and I would only sell a half tops hold and wait until the election unfolds and Elon Musk that’s pushing things around. You will be ahead of him and the rest of the billionaires getting in now I’ve been saying it for a month. Read my post on TikTok

untazar

Try to background check guys as always, if these guys are MLMers racketeers way back 2009 until to 2014 you better avoid them since they know how to do marketing but they don't know how to trade only basic indicators they only know how to manipulate you and get hype to scam coins, same thing with these so called signals they offering for subscription they will milk you out with unlucky signals and posting some fake and altered PNL 🤣

Mattie_Kadlec

Maybe it's too early to look for exit strategies? Whenever you have more unrealized PNL thank cash on hand it is probably a good time to take some profits

Tomatoo212121

I've been a huge Gains network proponant for years now. It's a leverage trading dex on Base/Arbitrum/Polygon Elevator sales pitch for the token is real yield payed out to GNS stakers (currently 20%+ on Base) with a percentage of trader negative PNL used to burn supply. Started around 38m supply and is sitting at ~32-33m now. Price has been battered for a while now and sitting at ~50m mcap which is insane for a project regularly in the top 10 for revenue to token holders in the whole space (can check this on defillama). The actual platform has gotten way better since its ATH as well. I'm assuming most recomendations here will be memes but if you're looking to bet big on a sustainable business GNS is a great pick, especially at these levels.

Xylber

Which platform? It looks like you entered the market with 7.24usd at 10x (order amount 72.47). And you closed with a PNL of 12.43% (of the original value, 7.24usd), which is 0.89usd.

Estokador

After losing 12k on binance i decided to give copu trading a chance. Ive been really and chose the right guys. The first trader i chose was because he was one of the first five traders that showed up on the list… obviously it had positive numbers at first glance. 7 day with +38% roi. Placed 500 bucks and cashed out with 850 in 5 days. Then i did some digging and found a trader who hasnt lost a single trade for more than a 100 trades. 280% roi last 90 days in spot wallet, that means it is 0 to 5x leverage max. The limit for subscribers is 1000 people and it is always full but after an hour of clicking and refreshing i was able to get in (maybe someone was cashing out right af that moment). I deposited 5k and im at a little over 10k in a month. Ive been increasing the trade positions while making money (realized PNL) so im compounding at the same time. I know it is a risk, but the first 10k as a solo trader, i lost in 2 weeks. So im in a better position now. I will leave you photo with stats. [copy trader stats](https://imgur.com/a/ScXi3Qg)

Endi_88

A lot of the are crap. Im done with them. My worst experience is that one of my huge winning swing position disappeared. Support informed me there is a migration going on. It was the second in a year. I told them I wasn’t informed about it in email. They told me that I should have followed the discord group or socials. I told them i didn’t pay to follow socials or hang out in their disc, but they don’t care. After migration I could open positions but I only realized later that there is no PNL. I was told then, that the pairs I used wasn’t active due to technical issues. Again they state that they informed me, which again wasn’t true. After this I asked them to add me to the mailing list again, which didn’t happen, because they still insisting to the their truth, that I’m on the list. This is GFT website.

starhannes

Amount usually isn't PNL. It's quantity. Did you go short?

Oheson

**Portfolio Update:** Created June 11, 2024 with original value $9,999.39. Current value = $10,033.39. Gain of 131.64 or 1.3%. Top gainer Solana at +22.3%. Worse performer Render at -17.5%. As you can see from[ previous updates](https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1e6q1fe/comment/ldykog9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button), all you have to do during this point in the cycle is hold and not panic sell on dips. This portfolio has been down as much as -$1600 during this period. || || |**Coin**|**Holdings**|**Value**|**PNL**|**Ratio**| |**Bitcoin (BTC)**|0.0755 BTC|$5,087.88|$25.65 (0.5%)|50.71%| |**Solana (SOL)**|6.8 SOL|$1,232.88|$224.57 (22.3%)|12.29%| |**Ethereum (ETH)**|0.29 ETH|$1,005.09|-$6.93 (-0.7%)|10.02%| |**Crown (CROWN)**|1000 CROWN|$561.16|$156.63 (39.1%)|5.59%| |**Chainlink (LINK)**|34 LINK|$479.85|-$30.38 (-6.0%)|4.78%| |**Stacks (STX)**|228 STX|$426.55|-$73.78 (-14.8%)|4.25%| |**Ondo (ONDO)**|404 ONDO|$421.79|-$77.72 (-15.6%)|4.2%| |**Render (RENDER)**|61 RENDER|$417.19|-$88.22 (-17.5%)|4.16%| |**Pepe (PEPE)**|33,000,000 PEPE|$401.52|$1.82 (0.5%)|4.0%|

Oheson

**Portfolio Update:** Created June 11, 2024 with original value $9,999.39. Current value = $10,033.39. Gain of 131.64 or 1.3%. Top gainer Solana at +22.3%. Worse performer Render at -17.5%. As you can see from[ previous updates](https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1e6q1fe/comment/ldykog9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button), all you have to do during this point in the cycle is hold and not panic sell on dips. This portfolio has been down as much as -$1600 during this period. || || |**Coin**|**Holdings**|**Value**|**PNL**|**Ratio**| |**Bitcoin (BTC)**|0.0755 BTC|$5,087.88|$25.65 (0.5%)|50.71%| |**Solana (SOL)**|6.8 SOL|$1,232.88|$224.57 (22.3%)|12.29%| |**Ethereum (ETH)**|0.29 ETH|$1,005.09|-$6.93 (-0.7%)|10.02%| |**Crown (CROWN)**|1000 CROWN|$561.16|$156.63 (39.1%)|5.59%| |**Chainlink (LINK)**|34 LINK|$479.85|-$30.38 (-6.0%)|4.78%| |**Stacks (STX)**|228 STX|$426.55|-$73.78 (-14.8%)|4.25%| |**Ondo (ONDO)**|404 ONDO|$421.79|-$77.72 (-15.6%)|4.2%| |**Render (RENDER)**|61 RENDER|$417.19|-$88.22 (-17.5%)|4.16%| |**Pepe (PEPE)**|33,000,000 PEPE|$401.52|$1.82 (0.5%)|4.0%|

Oheson

**Portfolio Update:** Created June 11, 2024 with original value $9,999.39. Current value = $9813.28. Loss of -$88.50 or -0.9%. Top gainer Solana at +14.6%. Worse performer Render at -19.2%. As you can see from the[ previous updates](https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1e3guoc/comment/ldanuut/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button), all you have to do during this point in the cycle is hold and not panic sell. We still have about a year left in the cycle. |Coin|Value|Holdings|PNL|Ratio in Portfolio| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |**BTC**|$5,022.68|0.0755|-$42.34|51.18%| |**ETH**|$1,014.81|0.29|$2.28|10.34%| |**SOL**|$1,156.78|6.8|$147.33|11.79%| |**LINK**|$476.88|34|-$33.44|4.86%| |**CROWN**|$447.76|1000|$47.15|4.56%| |**ONDO**|$441.02|404|-$58.44|4.49%| |**STX**|$440.14|228|-$59.47|4.48%| |**RNDR**|$407.49|61|-$96.73|4.15%| |**PEPE**|$405.98|33,000,000|$5.16|4.14%|

Oheson

**Portfolio Update:** Created June 11, 2024 with original value $9,999.39. Current value = $9269.29. Loss of -$632.47 or -6.4%. Top gainer Crown at +26%. Worse performer Render at -24.4%. Big recovery since [last update](https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1e0b1gb/comment/lcnvvrh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button). |Coin|Price|Holdings|Value in Portfolio|Ratio in Portfolio|PNL| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |BTC|$62,860.46|0.0755|$4,743.16|51.2%|-$318.86| |SOL|$152.12|6.8|$1,033.69|11.16%|$25.17| |ETH|$3,347.71|0.29|$970.84|10.48%|-$41.12| |CROWN|$0.5048|1000|$504.55|5.45%|$104.29| |LINK|$13.89|34|$471.73|5.09%|-$38.39| |STX|$1.86|228|$424.43|4.58%|-$75.68| |ONDO|$1.03|404|$417.29|4.5%|-$82.08| |RNDR|$6.24|61|$380.90|4.11%|-$122.69| |PEPE|$0.059602|33,000,000|$316.88|3.42%|-$83.11|

Oheson

**Portfolio Update:** Created June 11, 2024 with original value $9,999.39. Current value = $8624.40. Loss of -$1277.37 or -12.9%. Top performer is CROWN at -2.6%. Bitcoin dominance in the portfolio increased slightly to 51.28% from originally 50%. |`#`|`Coin`|`Price (USD)`|`7-Day Change`|`Holdings`|`PNL`| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |`1`|`BTC`|`$58,771.87`|`+12.5%`|`0.0755 BTC`|`-$630.83`| |`2`|`SOL`|`$143.49`|`+3.1%`|`6.8 SOL`|`-$30.85`| |`3`|`ETH`|`$3,140.69`|`+9.7%`|`0.29 ETH`|`-$98.17`| |`4`|`LINK`|`$12.90`|`+13.7%`|`34 LINK`|`-$69.67`| |`5`|`ONDO`|`$1.01`|`+17.7%`|`404 ONDO`|`-$88.30`| |`6`|`RNDR`|`$6.50`|`+21.2%`|`61 RNDR`|`-$106.58`| |`7`|`CROWN`|`$0.391`|`+2.3%`|`1000 CROWN`|`-$9.02`| |`8`|`STX`|`$1.67`|`+23.5%`|`228 STX`|`-$117.59`| |`9`|`PEPE`|`$0.059378`|`+22.2%`|`33M PEPE`|-$88.96|

Oheson

**Portfolio Update:** Created June 11, 2024 with original value $9,999.39. Current value = $8466.42. Loss of -$1435.37 or -14.5%. Top performers are CROWN at -5.6%. ETH holding stronger (-9.4% vs. -14.2% for BTC) means that Alt season has started. BTC dominance still weak. [Previous Update](https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1dsfcn4/comment/lb45lc2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button). Still waiting on BTC miner post-halving capitulation. Coin Price Holdings PNL BTC Bitcoin BTC $58,103.44 $4,383.33 0.0755 BTC -$681.69 ETH Ethereum ETH $3,136.72 $909.18 0.29 ETH -$103.39 SOL Solana SOL $135.31 $920.30 6.8 SOL -$89.10 LINK Chainlink LINK $13.06 $443.33 34 LINK -$66.98 ONDO Ondo ONDO $1.08 $433.85 404 ONDO -$65.61 RNDR Render RNDR $6.82 $416.40 61 RNDR -$87.39 CROWN Crown $0.3814 $380.91 1000 CROWN -$19.64 STX Stacks STX $1.46 $333.11 228 STX -$167.25 PEPE Pepe PEPE $0.059542 $315.67 33,000,000 PEPE -$84.63

Oheson

**Portfolio Update:** Created June 11, 2024 with original value $9,999.39. Current value = $9357.41. Loss of -$544.37 or -5.5%. Top performers are CROWN at +9.2% and ETH at -1.0%. Crown doing well is an indication that gaming will be a narrative this cycle again. ETH holding strong means that Alt season has started. [Previous Update](https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1dpdhy9/comment/laiwiti/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button). Still waiting on BTC miner post-halving capitulation to BTFD with about 12-15 months left in the cycle. This is one of the last buying periods of the current cycle if you missed crypto winter of 2022. Coin Price Holdings PNL BTC Bitcoin BTC $62,677.36 $4,734.64 0.0755 BTC -$330.39 ETH Ethereum ETH $3,459.81 $1,004.03 0.29 ETH -$8.54 SOL Solana SOL $146.21 $995.91 6.8 SOL -$13.48 LINK Chainlink LINK $14.40 $489.83 34 LINK -$20.49 ONDO Ondo ONDO $1.19 $482.02 404 ONDO -$17.44 RNDR Render RNDR $7.61 $464.74 61 RNDR -$39.04 CROWN Crown $0.4381 $439.51 1000 CROWN $38.96 STX Stacks STX $1.70 $388.83 228 STX -$111.54 PEPE Pepe PEPE $0.00001138 $377.28 33,000,000 PEPE -$23.02

HesNotHuman

Thinking in terms of banking saving account is a tradfi bias. Another way would use fiat to buy assets that produce cash flow for lifestyle. Think of BTC as an asset you're acquiring, adding to your PNL. Selling triggers a tax liability, that's a no-no. In a couple years I bet every financial institution will be offering competitive loan rates against BTC. Every time you hear someone from the government in tv, it's PR. Only watch what the big boys do all else is noise. I've always planned on using BTC loan as my retirement pension plan. Pull 10% or so out, BTC raises 100% the following year. Do other loan which plays off previous and adds fresh lifestyle $$$ with no taxes. Rinse and repeat. Keep you coins, live well and pass in your estate.

BillFraserColorado

Nice write up! I love the grid bots too and often will use a combo of grid and martingale to get into position. I will cancel and re-start the grids to wait fon the red side of the P&L. That way if the trade goes contrary the grids will continue to adjust my position as I wait for the reversal. Once in position, on the opposite side of the PNL (The green side) I like to set up an opposing grid (Hedge mode) and use my position as a safety net in case the market moves all the way through that. That way I can keep my short/Long and use the opposite bot to catch all the swings and also take care of any funding fees.

ifeelanime

If your intention is to stay invested long term, then go ahead, but if you gonna look into the PNL every now and then, good luck mate

Crypto---Knight

Don't be so hard on yourself. I blew up two accounts out of greedy over leveraging. This happens to a lot of people. Please consider it as tuition. A healthy trading psychology is to not be emotional over both PNL. Not using Stop-Losses and anything over 3.3X leverage have rekt me; those two lessons cost me $3000. That's a tuition fee I'm happy to pay now then later down the road when it gets really expensive. Again, this literally happens to ervery mew trader, but every trader that "makes it" always have a story like yours to turn the ship around.

Dark_Raiden_

Thanks for this comment. I didn't know or think about putting portfolio on coin market cap. I have crypto across several exchanges and it gets hard to keep track of my total worth, and net PNL

Own_Source2389

Hardware wallets should have every info from PNL to realized and Unrealized Gains to tracking where each coin received came from to transaction history with gains and losses and fees

Own_Source2389

I'm so use to using DAS trader platform when trading stocks. When I trade crypto, it's platform is behind. I have not found a CEX or DEX that shows : Daily PNL, Unrealized Gains, Unrealized Loss, Max Loss, % Daily Gain... And stats per symbol being traded individually. And any data to export for records. If you know any please name some.

jaraxel_arabani

More likely the counterparties know they can get it cheaper on the open market when that selling crushes the order book imo, and take out some short positions or put options for even more PNL

prasannask

Does it show PNL on latest holding - if so, where? Does it have an option to add "holdings" in Fiat? I would love the above options which I don't see anywhere.

KaydeeKaine

I don't understand this post. You don't get taxed on unrealised gains. It doesn't matter if your PNL went from $50k to 330k, if you never sold you never realised any gains/losses.

jshanklnd05

I wanted to get some people’s opinions on my portfolio, as I am thinking of diversifying further. My largest holding right now is LINK with a PNL of roughly 165%. I have then got the rest of my portfolio in BTC and ETH (PNL of roughly 20% each). I initially invested more in BTC and ETH but now LINK is my biggest holding on paper due to the recent pump. I also hold a small amount of atom which i am staking. I roughly hold 45% LINK 30%ETH 20% BTC and 5% ATOM. I just wanted to get some other people’s opinions as I don’t know many other people how invest in the crypto space. Thanks!

Perfect-Ad-2569

Can someone help me. I'm currently on a winning futures trade on binance and my margin keeps on decreasing. Probably because of the funding rate. Do I need to add to ny funding rate? What will happen if I add? Does it affect my entry price, leverage, PNL. Liquidation price, etc.. Also, what if I never add? Will this go to zero and my gains will be gone also?

Long-Fisherman-4965

Take profits right after taking a PNL screenshot.

Big-Refrigerator-379

Then you are already doing something right as you are already seeing negative PNL as op said to wait for. So you are good to go mate.

InsaneMcFries

I’m having some problems with step 2b. I can’t seem to get a positive PNL at any time

Cryptolurker040

Start taking screenshots of my PNL

Cryptolurker040

A saying that served me more than I expected. When you start taking screenshots of your PNL, it's time to take profits and sit back.

Good_Shop9069

>This is trading not DCAing in/out While I get this point (to a certain degree), I think that it is important to note that many investors use DCA purely as an accumulation strategy, not as an exit strategy. Many use DCA as a way to accumulate a large number of crypto over a longer period of time, with the sole intention of accumulations, and when it come time to sell, they will sell in bulk (not through DCA out). While in theory I will accept that it provides a certain aspect of auto DCA in and DCA out, it essentially removes the choice from the investor of when to exit. They are forced to DCA out (as you call it), depending on how the market is going. ​ That being said, I would like to touch on the dual asset volatility. If ones goal is to invest in say (using the MOONS/ETH pair as an example), eqaully, wanting an equal investment in moons and ETH, and believing that both will go up in value, then providing liquidity is a good decision imoh. At the same time, if you only believe or wish to invest in one side of the liquidity pair, then I do not think that providing liquidity is the way to go, as you are essentially investing in both assets at the same time. If both go up, then amazing, however, if one underperforms (even just relative to the other asset), then the PNL will be essentially averaged out. ​ It really just depends on your investment strategy, and acceptable risk. Overall, I agree that there should be more education on impermanent loss.

jwz9904

my PNL indicator on binance is broken, it's always red

PanFennel

>is this Copy trading feature really worth it? If you copy trade someone and don't learn anything, for me personally, there is no point in doing that. Also, one day that trader is profitable the next day market dumps in his PNL is like -99% So no, in my opinion. Maybe only small amounts, for fun.

TarkovRedditor

It has a 6 digits loss PNL lmao

SevereCalendar7606

It's a work in progress. PNL is currently green. It's a moon shot ;)

Party_Practice_7292

Over the years, I found out that whatever you do, the markets will find a way to suck the money out of you, and that holding real assets like Bitcoin and ETH is the only way to beat this market long term. A good swing every now and then would benefit my PNL overtime but only with VERY strict rules.

Yellowflash274

Guys what does Est.PNL means on Mexc while selling? It shows 212 USDT

cats_dont_wear_pants

True, but it also takes someone very mentally unwell to hold a short position open for months with BTC crabbing within a 5% range for so long. Most traders want to get in and out of positions with a positive PNL, therefore using larger leverage and closer liquidation prices. I’ll trade volatility on leverage, I’m not touching this PA with a 10 ft pole though.

Iulian_TechNewb

**PNL** is steadily going up, 5% now. Should start executing stuff at 25%.

Kappatalizable

Good experiment. A quick suggestion - put the current PNL for each position also so we know if youre currently in the red or not

crypto_dood

Is anyone with Binance? In August I am trading one year. and just checked the PNL Analysis page from Aug, 17th, 2022 til today. it shows: - cumulative PNL: -6.48% - cumulative BTC trend: 9.67% what does that tell me?

Zwiebel1

Stop blueballing us and show us the goods (PNL)!

Ryuzakku

My portfolio is bottoming out so hard my PNL is in denial as to how much I've lost lol

BlazeDemBeatz

All it was meant for was a quick money grab. I made 150% PNL. Seen the opportunity and got out quick as I could.

Embarrassed-Egg-545

Cant wait to see all the guys posting their expert opinions after doing 4 online TA courses and made like 3 good trades with an overall PNL of -80%

BlazeDemBeatz

I pulled out today. Took 50% PNL. Could’ve took 150% at peak, but I obviously am not a genius at timing the market.

jhung713

And you wonder what his PNL is like if we are to assume he's just shot gunning every shitcoin out there.

AwkwardHamburge

I don't even know how to trade futures. I've been a spot man ever since I started trading crypto. Sometimes it's hard to fight the fomo from seeing those +1500 PNL screenshots, but it pays off in the end.

Inevitable-Lie-4277

Another reason not to show PNL on social media

AwkwardHamburge

When you start taking screenshots of your PNL, sell everything and sit back for a while.

99Beers

The fees part can really mess with you as a trader. It means you need really good entry points. For example, if you think the price of ETH will go up, you open a Long Position with your desired leverage. Immediately, your PNL is red due to the Open and Close Fee, plus the cost per her of borrowing the money. In short, if trading ETH, you need to the price to increase by about $5 to get to Break Even and about $10 for a profit with leverage. This past Friday was a good example IMO where ETH was trading mostly sideways with very few good trades.

sanekamchatka49

Not really. Just choose a platform where you can visualize your risk profile at all times. So you know exactly what happens to your PNL as the price moves up and down. Options are complex, but tools exist to make them dead simple. If price does X, you gain Y kind of thing.

baloneyum

My rules are custom tailored to my hedge trading style, as well as my personality a couple examples would be \-No trading on Sunday \-No trading during the work day \-No getting angry at a loss (Important one for me) \-set a stop loss before performing a high leverage rescue. \-draw a line for when to hedge and if it crosses hedge it. \-5% max account drawdown to hedge etc. My trading style is this, I have bots that open on signals but they only open with DCA orders with 1 or 2% of my account. That way they wont liquidate while Im at work and when I get home from work I either take profits or manually trade negative PNL's back into the green.

VoxImperii

If this is mostly longs, there will almost certainly be a liquidation attempt - exchanges won’t keep paying this ROI/PNL without shenanigans. And if it’s shorts, then up we go, but I somehow think it’s mostly longs.

99Beers

If you guys are staking GMX you can thank my negative PNL for your rewards.

alwxcanhk

I’ve used for over 3 years now and here’s my experience: (I’m in no way affiliated with them. I’m just a user) - A separate watch list page where you can add coins you “like”. You can sort those coins by market cap, gains or loses, … etc with many time frames. The watch list is switchable to all coins at a click of a button on screen. - You can have as many portfolios as you like. You can connect each portfolio via api or u can enter buys/sells manually. - you can see under each portfolio your total gain/loss and the same under each coin. - you can see under each coin a summary showing total held, PNL, average cost (taking in to account all buys and sells) and current value. You can also see each transaction. - You can set many types of alarms by % drop or increase, > or < a specific price, pump and dump, … etc. You can also choose to follow and get alerts on prices on a specific exchange. - You can use on multiple devices with the same account. - It can generate reports and charts. Disadvantages: - The free version doesn’t allow multiple alerts and includes advertisements. I guarantee that it’s worth the money! I suggest you try the free one and scroll around and make some entries to see the look. Wish you all the best.

IGF59

If you're talking about the Bitget exchange, it has maker fees of 0.02% and taker fees of 0.06%. So entering a trade with taker fees and exiting with maker fees means 0.08%. So if you trade $5k with 10X leverage, then - $5000x10 = 50000 Entry - 22400 Exit - 22423 PNL - $51.34 ROE - 1.03% Fees - 50000x0.08% = $40 Net Profit = $51.34 - $40                   =$11.34

Relative-Buddy-2638

I have dual personalty and i struggle with fomo and emotions watching PNL. go up and down. I wish i could lock the coins safely because i dont trust my self. I'm also easily influencers by social media that is full of paid actors.

NotoriousJDO

This fuckin idiot lol &#x200B; Whats the PNL on silvergate? She wants the "buy high, sell low" crown

DizzyMammoth21

CZ still crushing it on fees.. wonder what the PNL on that has been.

bxrelyalive

How do you get thos +5 PNL daily, brother?

miruki

the PNL was the exchange, not their users?

Dopeyting

I completely sympathize with this. I have just posted proof of PNL but I know that doesn't prove the bots functionality. I do not want to post exact signals from the bot however I don't know what internet people are capable of :O

cryptojoshy

**It's better to do the DCA strategy and bag more because the bulls will return.** While others prefer to stake their assets, especially stables, to earn more stables so they can have more funds on the ground ahead of the bull market. **On the other hand, some people are just dormant waiting for the market to stabilize before they decide what to do.** So which of these categories do you belong to? *Personally, I'd rather DCA if the project I believe keeps on building despite the bearish market sentiment. It's hard to find a decent project that does that but I've been looking at the listed coins on KuCoin and found a project named Telos with a ticker symbol TLOS.* **It seems like it found its floor price and now ranging so I've been bagging a lot recently with every significant dip and now I have a positive PNL. Consider checking Telos and its Telos EVM** *The Telos EVM is the most powerful and scalable Ethereum Smart Contract platform built to power Web 3.0. Telos features a robust, third-generation, ESG-compliant evolutionary blockchain governance system, including smart contracts, advanced voting features, and flexible and user-friendly fee models. In addition, Telos supports the blockchain ecosystem by serving as an incubator and accelerator for decentralized applications through development grants.* **Develop and Commit to a Strong DCA (Dollar-Cost Average) Strategy** Suppose you have a total of $500usd to invest in $TLOS. Rather than investing all your capital at once, you could invest one-fifth ($100) and commit to further investments if the price decreases or increases by a difference of 20%. If the price decreases due to a market drawdown, you’ll have the opportunity to acquire more tokens at a 20% discount. If market volatility increases, you can adjust your DCA strategy so that your next purchases occur after greater price reductions. Ultimately this approach should be applied when you are confident in the asset you’ve analyzed and have a strict set of rules that you will adhere to.

cryptojoshy

It's better to do the DCA strategy and bag more because the bulls will return. While others prefer to stake their assets, especially stables, to earn more stables so they can have more funds on the ground ahead of the bull market. On the other hand, some people are just dormant waiting for the market to stabilize before they decide what to do. So which of these categories do you belong to? Personally, I'd rather DCA if the project I believe keeps on building despite the bearish market sentiment. It's hard to find a decent project that does that but I've been looking at the listed coins on KuCoin and found a project named Telos with a ticker symbol TLOS. It seems like it found its floor price and now ranging so I've been bagging a lot recently with every significant dip and now I have a positive PNL. Consider checking Telos and its Telos EVM The Telos EVM is the most powerful and scalable Ethereum Smart Contract platform built to power Web 3.0. Telos features a robust, third-generation, ESG-compliant evolutionary blockchain governance system, including smart contracts, advanced voting features, and flexible and user-friendly fee models. In addition, Telos supports the blockchain ecosystem by serving as an incubator and accelerator for decentralized applications through development grants. Develop and Commit to a Strong DCA (Dollar-Cost Average) Strategy Suppose you have a total of $500usd to invest in $TLOS. Rather than investing all your capital at once, you could invest one-fifth ($100) and commit to further investments if the price decreases or increases by a difference of 20%. If the price decreases due to a market drawdown, you’ll have the opportunity to acquire more tokens at a 20% discount. If market volatility increases, you can adjust your DCA strategy so that your next purchases occur after greater price reductions. Ultimately this approach should be applied when you are confident in the asset you’ve analyzed and have a strict set of rules that you will adhere to.

cryptojoshy

There are times that, when you open leveraged positions, the market will swing against you and DCA is also handy but only if you have ready USDT. I'd say work on your risk management so you can always exit a wrong entry position with a stop loss. Since we're already talking about DCA, how about DCA with low mcap and high potential alts instead thru spot? Personally, I'd rather DCA if the project I believe keeps on building despite the bearish market sentiment. It's hard to find a decent project that does that but I've been looking at the listed coins on KuCoin and found a project named Telos with a ticker symbol TLOS. It seems like it found its floor price and now ranging so I've been bagging a lot recently with every significant dip and now I have a positive PNL. Consider checking Telos and its Telos EVM *The Telos EVM is the most powerful and scalable Ethereum Smart Contract platform built to power Web 3.0. Telos features a robust, third-generation, ESG-compliant evolutionary blockchain governance system, including smart contracts, advanced voting features, and flexible and user-friendly fee models. In addition, Telos supports the blockchain ecosystem by serving as an incubator and accelerator for decentralized applications through development grants.*

rbepe

Thanks mate! Just edited that part....did not ajust it my PNL is actuall: -19.41% at the moment :)

Ucanthandlelit

what is PNL

Izolet

Im bagholding auntil 1.7k eth xD ( PNL was 2900 before DCA)

Hyerion

I like noisy coins like this. Always good opportunity for positive PNL when played well.

magiblufire

I do. Start with low leverage and work my way up from there. So start with a 5x, when it hits +50% I'll increase to 10x and double the position while changing my stop loss on the way to guarantee I won't go back in the red. I usually have a 50% stop loss on the initial open position if I'm not actively watching charts but otherwise I'll manage my losses and try to reposition myself with a maximum -50% PNL of initial position.

cryptojoshy

There are times that, when you open leveraged positions, the market will swing against you and DCA is also handy but only if you have ready USDT. I'd say work on your risk management so you can always exit a wrong entry position with a stop loss. Since we're already talking about DCA, how about DCA with low mcap and high potential alts instead thru spot? Personally, I'd rather DCA if the project I believe keeps on building despite the bearish market sentiment. It's hard to find a decent project that does that but I've been looking at the listed coins on KuCoin and found a project named Telos with a ticker symbol TLOS. It seems like it found its floor price and now ranging so I've been bagging a lot recently with every significant dip and now I have a positive PNL. Consider checking Telos and its Telos EVM *The Telos EVM is the most powerful and scalable Ethereum Smart Contract platform built to power Web 3.0. Telos features a robust, third-generation, ESG-compliant evolutionary blockchain governance system, including smart contracts, advanced voting features, and flexible and user-friendly fee models. In addition, Telos supports the blockchain ecosystem by serving as an incubator and accelerator for decentralized applications through development grants.*

cryptojoshy

**It's better to do the DCA strategy and bag more because the bulls will return.** While others prefer to stake their assets, especially stables, to earn more stables so they can have more funds on the ground ahead of the bull market. **On the other hand, some people are just dormant waiting for the market to stabilize before they decide what to do.** So which of these categories do you belong to? *Personally, I'd rather DCA if the project I believe keeps on building despite the bearish market sentiment. It's hard to find a decent project that does that but I've been looking at the listed coins on KuCoin and found a project named Telos with a ticker symbol TLOS.* **It seems like it found its floor price and now ranging so I've been bagging a lot recently with every significant dip and now I have a positive PNL. Consider checking Telos and its Telos EVM** *The Telos EVM is the most powerful and scalable Ethereum Smart Contract platform built to power Web 3.0. Telos features a robust, third-generation, ESG-compliant evolutionary blockchain governance system, including smart contracts, advanced voting features, and flexible and user-friendly fee models. In addition, Telos supports the blockchain ecosystem by serving as an incubator and accelerator for decentralized applications through development grants.* **Develop and Commit to a Strong DCA (Dollar-Cost Average) Strategy** Suppose you have a total of $500usd to invest in $TLOS. Rather than investing all your capital at once, you could invest one-fifth ($100) and commit to further investments if the price decreases or increases by a difference of 20%. If the price decreases due to a market drawdown, you’ll have the opportunity to acquire more tokens at a 20% discount. If market volatility increases, you can adjust your DCA strategy so that your next purchases occur after greater price reductions. Ultimately this approach should be applied when you are confident in the asset you’ve analyzed and have a strict set of rules that you will adhere to.

CacahuateCR

>PNL -34.56 Not that bad. I mean, it is, but at least you aren't 90% down

Superb_Dragonfruit63

Total PNL -39.8%? One of us.

Baecchus

The problem doesn't disappear when you ignore it. This is an opportunity. Take what you can from this bear market and learn from it or you'll go through the same thing in a few years. It's rough but this is the time to pay as much attention ad you can. Detach yourself from your PNL and try to see how you could have navigated the market better. It'll pay off.

Flaming-Sheep

This is wrong. You can't calculate his leverage here without knowing how much his position is collateralized by (you would need to know his account size on FTX). The $8m is the notional size of his position. Leverage is calculated as notional/collateral. Collateral rises and falls with PNL, so when price falls on a short, your leverage declines and vice versa. If he had $10 backing the trade your calculations would be the same (but he'd be at some astronomic level of leverage). If he had $10bn backing it, same calcs, low leverage.

CryptoMemesLOL

You can estimate his margin based on that info and thus his est. liquidation price. Avg entry 48.8k, actual price 37k = drop of 24% (profit) PNL profit about $2.8m on a $8m position = 35% (35-24)/24 = 1.46x So if the price rises by 66% from his entry he would be liquidated which is about 81k

CryptoMemesLOL

You can estimate it pretty accurately and it's about 1.5x Avg entry 48.8k, actual price 37k = drop of 24% (profit) PNL profit about $2.8m on a $8m position = 35% (35-24)/24 = 1.46x

Far-Scholar9028

Go through his twitter, check his track record. He is also top 10 in the ftx public leaderboard in PNL

Hyerion

**PNL go up.** Plain & simple.

Baecchus

Cardano has finally hit $10, inflation adjusted PNL is -99.98%

HansTilburg

As the late George Best said: ‘I spent half of my money on women and booze, and I wasted the other half’. Or just buy that FORTH-coin on Kucoin. I have a bot running on it with great grid profits (158% APR) but it needs to go up because it’s below entry price, unrealized PNL is negative.

xxyyzzuser

Did I say that or express that in any way? That would be so silly of me - especially if my trades were so tiny, right? Like I have tried to explain and clarify in posts and support tickets with KuCoin - this does not happen every trade or every day. The cheat (code) mode seem to appear or triggered after closing high PNL % trades or a high net $ profit. This would make the small glitch less noticeable after the user is on their euphoric high of winning as well as less frequent of an event for most. Sound familiar?

Zwiebel1

I'm sorry but there are several red flags with this video: - the flickering of the order books is suspicious - the screenshots provide comvenient 'cuts' - PNL does weird shit despite being on a profitable trade first - noticable lag at 1:12 conclusion: Probably cut and fake.

xxyyzzuser

I bet you’ve been making profitable trades… I wanted to ask anyone that had similar experiences to confirm or see if this happens after closing a high PNL% trade or after having a profitable trades ($1000+ net).

xxyyzzuser

This only happened after closing a high PNL% or profit margin over $1000, then the cheat (code) mode would kick-in or become noticeable.. It took 3-4x before I realized what had happened, I had no way to rewind and see the order change (I wasn’t recording every trade I started). I would question my memory and initially attributed it to me spacing out. Most people just let it go or think they had a brain fart. 5th time screenshots were not enough and this was the 6th. I only traded futures on KuCoin - never trusted them to give them all of my business or coins.

xxyyzzuser

This usually or would only happen after I made profitable trades - (PNL $1-2k) which was sporadic and made it harder to catch. Then I went on a streak and they started blatantly obvious liquidations (like futures prices went opposite of the market) as soon as I placed my trade and went straight to liquidation and back - aka the crazy wicks that liquidates your position. Soon after the app started taking screenshots without my consent across my laptop and mobile (app was tracking 29gb of data and docs). Started screen recording my trades the last 6 months and sharing with the community now. I went to KuCoin and complained but they always deny and blame the user for not having experience or some b.s. and never compensated or credited a penny - so fuck’em. They had their chance and gave them a chance to get rid of me - this is their lesson.