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nextapp

Bitcoin isn’t a guaranteed bank vault—it doesn't guarantee a return on investment (ROI), and going all-in is a massive risk. ​First off, how are you planning to lock away those keys for 3 years? You better secure them carefully so you don't end up like those guys spending years searching landfills for millions in lost private keys. ​Second, imagine all the other investment options out there. If this $77k represents your life savings, what happens if the market crashes? Going all-in on high volatility like this without a safety net is basically like putting it all on red or black at the roulette table. If you're comfortable with the possibility of losing it all, go for it—otherwise, rethink going 100% in at once.

GlowingJewel

This would yield the best ROI ffs

vicesig

and the ROI?

IllllIIlIllIllllIlll

How long do you anticipate it will take until you get and ROI?

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TypicalSalt5360

ROI: 29 million years.

Internal_Impact3218

them the cost to build, i hope they got ROI

Torshein

You're mathematically better off buying $900 in BTC. ROI is ~2-3 years if pool mining. If I was a plumbing co this would be interesting. You charge 300-400 to install an element that traditionally costs $20-30. Eat a 1 time expense (install and set up) + $400. ROI becomes a year. Remote monitor the element, keep the BTC and offer a free tank cleaning/check yearly or bi yearly + discounted water heater installs in the future. 500 customers would be 250k a year in recurring revenue for ~3 months of work a year.

PoisonWaffle3

This is an interesting and potentially useful idea, but has anyone done the math to figure out ROI, break even time-frames, etc? Are we better off just buying $900 of BTC?

takkaros

I'd give you my 2 cents, but I don't want to lose that much ROI either

bumpgrind

Investing in an "asset" because iT's tHe fUtUrE and now realizing how much more at risk they are. Seized assets on marketplaces, cold storage having been compromised and now being targeted more, scams, large transactional fees, no ability to reverse transactions (used to be a pro, now the biggest con), not to mention a platform that becomes more at risk as computing power continues to exponentiate. There are few arguments to rebuttal any of these and they're largely weak at best, but the worst of all is that over the last 5 years even stocks and real estate have delivered better returns than crypto. Crypto not only carries too high of risk and delivers little to no benefit over other investment asset types, it's ROI continues to wane in comparison.

bruhmomentumstarter

There's been multiple era where for 2-6 months you could mine crypto with a 2-3 month ROI on any dollar amount you threw at it. Then with trading, you can retroactively make even more. The guys who did it right made a bajillion dollars. Almost everyone who bought into ASICs or mined Bitcoin itself or derivatives ate shit 24/7/365 regardless of market conditions.

TheRussness

In order to get most of the initial investment back you'd either need to sell the card for 1500+ or bought it in 2020 for half of MSRP. i believe you that it mined an ROI because mine did too but that last part is quite suspicious

Optimistic-Pie123

That's a rational approach. I mean, you're right. Obviously, anything could happen, but I feel like the quantum computer threat has been a "threat" for years and Bitcoin is still thriving. Not saying that just because it hasn't happened yet, that it won't happen, but I firmly believe that BTC is going to 1M by late 2030s or early 2040s but anything could happen in that time. My friend did the same with index fund, but the ROI is obviously much lower than if you do the same thing with BTC, but the risk is also significantly lower. But I have enough faith in BTC to be able to sleep at night during that period and the interest is so low. How did your buddy only make 5% of the loan? Should be significantly more if he DCA into BTC with the loan. I'm expecting to pay off the loan and end up with more money than the actual loan.

biggest_guru_in_town

You won't be liquidated if you buy bitcoin and hold. You will have less in value for a time due to volatility but if it's bitcoin you have time..and a bit of certainty with the halving cycle that you will have a modest ROI when the price moonshine over time. Can you say the same for alts in terms of Store of Value, longetivity etc.? Thats the difference.

Interesting_Loss_907

Look at the ROI for BTC for the past 4 years & let me know what you find.

Interesting_Loss_907

6 years ROI (since 10/14/2020): BTC: 7.2X (appreciated in value from 11.4K to 82K in 6 years. S&P 500 Stock Index: 2.2X BTC has far outperformed any major stock market index over the past 6 years, so truly do not really know what you mean when you say that BTC has performed “ incredibly poor vs other assets”…? BTC not only outperformed stock index is during that period of time but obviously outperformed holding cash in any normal interest bearing accounts as well.

OssoBlanco86

Rates will fluctuate, that has never been a secret on anything when it comes to ROI. Further it’s not exactly rewards, it’s interest for them using your assets. I have put in large sums of stablecoins and pulled them out when I needed them zero issues. The rates they currently have are half of what some crypto ETFs are projected or promised. Remember it’s still really early in the crypto game! Everyday almost we hear tokenized or tokenization being used when it was unheard of a few years ago! Fidelity can lose you money just quickly too.

Xiximaro

It depends, there's is always new Miners and ROI is usually faster on the latest models

kpidhayny

Yeah, recycling lithium batteries from cell phones is easy and has a good ROI vs mining new raw materials. But harvesting the arsenic dopant out of the silicon substrate of a fully packaged integrated circuit? That’s a fool’s errand.

DayOneDude

ROI

MSmithRD

You should do it but one thing to clarify on is that I'm not sure you're quite as set as you think you are. 10% is a very high ROI to rely on. Most retirement calculators use 6%-8%. Also, depends on what multi millions means, but right now depending on where you live, 3 million is often considered what is good enough to retire at 65 and have a very comfortable retirement. Accounting for a 3% inflation rate that would be around 10 million that you need in 40 years to retire at 65. If you want to retire early that number can easily double. But again, I do think you should do it. This is just a side note.

Revelati123

10,000% ROI in a decade and people here are like "OMG the volatility!"

artyshatilov

1/ up overall, but my trading is quite conservative, combining spot, perp and polymarket 2/ too many actions: most of the time NO action results to higher ROI than ACTION - the best scenario for me is set and forget, relying on my initial trade idea and not changing my mind afterwards (usually cuz of emotions)

wilson-n448

What does it return on an untouched chronological holdout, after fees and realistic fills? A 40–50% hit rate plus a few big winners can make ROI look great, but optimistic entry prices or execution assumptions may erase the edge.

Kooky_Lawfulness_266

You will never be young again, but you will have another chance to earn $, remember that. Pack your shit l, Colombianas are waiting man hehe. Plus you don't need to travel for the whole year and spend a lot. Btw, where do you get 10% ROI?

ellis1884uk

> what counts is here and now and where this will go. yes, exactly what I said over 10 years ago. please enlighten me as to where you have parked your money and your ROI

TCr0wn

All depends on how long the ROI is for the miner

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KidAmulet

Yeah, don't do anything with futures or leverage now. Safest is to put all in BTC, or you can spread it out into BTC, ETH, and SOL and get a little higher ROI. And then just hold for years. And while you're account is slowly growing, you can educate yourself about futures and options. But stay away from them until you are not a beginner anymore. Honestly, only people that are experts in the market with years and years of experience should do futures or options. If you trade 24/7 then maybe after a few years of experience.

ellis1884uk

My ROI is 80,000% i have been only in bitcoin since 2012/12 what would you recommend?

BtcXrays

All Big fishes are based on 5 year ROI and 10 year ROI. You will never find a candlestick chart that gives you 5 and 10 uear ROI. Do it manually and you will get your answer.

DanielTheTechie

>There’s no way it doesn’t retrace these levels Rookie mistake. Many people before you has gone bankrupcy after spelling out "there's no way that X doesn't do Y". Market does the unexpected more often than what people thing. And if a coin is up 3800%, there is nothing stopping it going to 5200% (even if it's in a deaccelerated way) before the retracement truly starts. In a previous message you said: >I’m revenge trading because I sold ZEC at $350 At the moment of selling, did you also think "there's no way it pumps to 10x in three months"? And yet, the market did it. Here is my unsolicited advice: find an actual trading strategy and a time horizon in which you are most comfortable working, stick to it, follow its signals religiously and stick to set some risk management rules for yourself (e.g. how much % of your account can you risk per trade and how much % of your account can you lose before completely stopping to trade for that month). Revenge trading makes you feel relieved while it goes well, but when it doesn't (and it's a matter of time that it doesn't), expect to lose a lot more than what you earned previously, that without mentioning the persistent psychological pressure and the ego drop when you feel forced to sell low because you can't afford anymore the pain of seeing your account bleeding day after day. >I also don’t believe this bull rally Do you even have some definition or what conditions must satisfy a "bull rally" so that you consider it's a true bull rally? If not, you are gambling. Again, stick to a backtested strategy for at least 30 trades (you can use smaller amounts of money while you are not confident about it yet), journal them (you can something as simple as Excel), and later compute your ROI average. If it's positive, you will have already found an edge that is more reliable than your beliefs and impulses, and given your messages here, it shouldn't be hard to find it. Personally I have two accounts: one for investing and another one for trading. For multi-month/year investing, the safest time for buying crypto was when BTC's price contacted the weekly EMA200. The second best time is... nobody knows, but now it's probably safer than next month. Personally I would just wait for a daily red candle in BTC to be closed, and then, buy your favourite altcoins, set a realistic take profit price beforehand (don't do the silly thing of "I will just sell when I believe it's already on the top or when my favourite cryptobro asks me to do so"), and don't login again until BTC reaches its previous ATH, so you avoid the "revenge investing", the "I will sell this because it's down 10% and I'm scared" and those shits. And with your mind in peace knowing that you are already invested in crypto, you can do your trading in parallel or (even better) in a separated account.

AdOk1101

BTC is an over valued obsolete TCP/IP network protocol due for a bubble burst driven by public IT ROI realization. BTC requires bespoke compute hardware and transactions are slow with high fees that are not adequately rewarding mining operations, and will continue devolve over time. BTC is a pending bubble at current and projected valuations. [https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMining/comments/1tz0z1s/are\_bitcoin\_miners\_turning\_off\_their\_rigs/](https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMining/comments/1tz0z1s/are_bitcoin_miners_turning_off_their_rigs/)

AdOk1101

Nothing ever goes up forever. The academic immutable technical fact about BTC is that it's an obsolete protocol. It also happens to be wildly over valued given it's lack of protocol functionality and absolute requirement to use bespoke/specialized compute hardware that is not cheap....transactions are not cheap as well compared to other more technically capable/robust protocols. Crypto currencies are just TCP/IP network protocols folks....eventually the IT ROI value perspective will change the market and it has started already.

foxyevolution

Basically crypto miners are the backbone devices for for proof of work chains like BTC and ZEC. You essentially purchase a device, send it to a hosting location if you can't run it yourself (most can't), pay the monthly power cost, and get paid daily. It does take some upfront capital to get involved, but once you ROI you are golden. Especially if you constantly rotate your units from more profitable ones. I threw about $35k into a handful of units and easily earn $80-90k/yr. Does it depend on the value of the coin, yes. I believe in the coins I choose to mine. Especially when they 5x because I held my earnings.

Mean-Pin1502

Wtf is the correlation here ???? take any fucking random company and you won't get that ROI most of the time because there are 2 fucking different things. companies valuation is being done mostly ( let's not bring out the AI insanity from the last years) by their profitability not by random people who decide that this thing on the internet has value so I will buy it . I swear some of you guys are so brain dead and live in a fucking bubble.

Chickensrock1977

Is that when BTC was steer peer to peer in the white paper? Relax guy, I’m sure you’ll make a nice ROI on your half BTC

Beginning_Juice_4296

2025 ROI: 70% 2026 ROI YTD: 35% i've earned the right to say finna

sheeeeeeeeei

Goat has a stronger ROI than BTC. Goatcoin incoming? Is that the proper sentiment? Lol ;)

Elendron

Fr, my pokemon has way more ROI than crypto ever has for me, but then I can't just realise my pokemon gains with the click of a button like with crypto. Tis a tough life

bitusher

**Cloud Mining Contracts** Most are ponzis, fractionally reserve mine, or charge too high fees which mean you will never ROI. Cloud mining typically falls into 3 categories a) legit mining company that actually mines what you invest, but is misleading to clients the harsh reality of hashing difficulty increasing and fees = You will not profit and not make a ROI b) Cloudmining company that fractionally reserve mines to keep up appearances and prove they actually are doing some mining but in reality do not mine the hashrate that they are contractually obligated to = You will not profit and not make a ROI c) Straight up ponzi scheme with no mining = You will not profit and not make a ROI Mining is very competitive and if miners need to both pay for marketing, profit sharing , affiliate revenue, and management of many small clients or partners this overhead will quickly drive them out of business. Keep in mind that BTC mining difficulty is typically increasing , which means the payouts are fine initially but than naturally get smaller and smaller as the months go on. So at first everything seems fine than you notice later you start to get less and less until there is no payout. So people that cloud mine either come away from the experience bitter and don't return , or they make a profit , but not from mining but from the appreciation of Bitcoin during their contract. I.E... They invest 500 USD , cloud mining company pays back 300 USd of BTC over the next year , but because Bitcoin appreciated in value that BTC is now worth 800 dollars and the client is happy because they don't have the know how to compare what that investment would be worth if they simply sat on it and waited for their bitcoin to appreciate in value. More info on mining : r/bitcoinmining Do not mine unless you own ASICs yourself

banglasteve

Crypto is not a long term goal it’s the tool to get to the property market. It’s a 2-5 year ROI perspective of what is best for that timeline

_LetMeOutOfThisVan

I sold all of my Bitcoin at 105k. I bout it at 40k and I was happy with my ROI. I bought back in recently at 65k and I plan to sell it all again at 100k. I don’t have an attachment to Bitcoin. Honestly, I hope that everyone else holds their bags so I can profit off them lol.

PeteyPab305

Was I saying something different? If you did actually buy and sell BTC by speculating bottoms and tops, your very lucky, because even if you had began buying using DCA on a weekly or bi-weekly basis you would still be in profit rn from 120k top all you have to do to prove that is see the calculator - [https://charts.bitbo.io/dca/](https://charts.bitbo.io/dca/) DCA proves that incrementally buying a high-beta asset through drawdowns yields a positive ROI. While a lump sum timed at major support yields a higher multiple, systematic accumulation removes timing risk and consistently works. I have accumulated BTC since 2019 strictly via scheduled buys rather than lump sums, which built a deep-profit position. Trimming was unnecessary in hindsight given ongoing currency debasement and persistent inflation.

InsightKnite

They all do they just won't admit it. Speaking of gambling I would bet 95% of people posting in this reddit have not had more than a $500 ROI from crypto in the last 5 years.

InsightKnite

Solana. Eth does a 3x Solana does a 4.5x Uni isn't even in the convo. Stop looking at the coin and start looking at the overall consistent ROI. 👍

CoinGate_Gift_Cards

Three years is definitely enough time to evaluate whether it’s worth continuing. If you still enjoy experimenting and the cost is low, there’s nothing wrong with keeping it as a hobby. But if the goal is profit, tracking your actual ROI project by project can make the decision much clearer. Sometimes the best move is not quitting entirely, but becoming much more selective about what you mine.

ReliantToker

Going back to 2013 with current knowledge, alot of things you could do with a much higher ROI than simply buying and holding bitcoin.

Xennenial

They are insiders for the coins they shill. If you buy their coins, you will simply be their exit liquidity. My two biggest gainers lately are a 3x on $HYPE and 3.5x on $LIT. I did not decide to make those buys by listening to any of those clowns. Furthermore, trying to go for a 50x is not smart. A 3x is an awesome ROI.

GigglesGirth

I have about 85% in crypto and my financial advisor hates me for if. I also make a much larger annual ROI than he's more diversified suggestions would. I'm young though so I always maintain the belief that even if if disappeared id be able to restart without screwing myself.

InsightKnite

Just fyi for those that care at all. BTC on it's best day averages a 2x potential. If you are buying crypto to sell for profit BTC is actually one of the worst ROI coins in the world. Period. If you think BTC is going to be some global currency by all means have fun with that but if you are legitimately trying to gain income via crypto than you need to be paying attention to the potential multiplier on a coin and not it's TOTAL cost. You would think this is obvious but I can't explain how many people I see on these subreddits competely burning money on the table because they are saving for a 2x return after 10+ years of investment. It's wild.

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That_Ad9363

For what tho? Investors also want ROI

Clean_Difficulty_225

Haha, yup. They don't even look at annualized ROI anymore or compare it to returns like the broader stock indices. MSTR will be back in the red soon anyways, the whole global macroeconomic environment is in shambles, we're about to have a stock market crash, this recent move in BTC is the pump before the dump.

ThomasToIndia

500 to 1000 is a 100% gain. 63000 needs to go 126000 for another 100% gain. The amount of money required grows. A 1000% gain right now, would require it to go to 600,000. To put this into perspective. If you dumped $10,000 in right now, if it went to 770,000 (1000%) you would be at 100k. It would be a good ROI but you couldn't buy a house. Even if it went to a million, buying right now is not going to change your life unless you are dumping hundreds of thousands into it. Big gains from small numbers start with small numbers.

AggressiveGas4637

Ok well for like 99% of the population who didn’t luck out and become millionaires on some multi thousand % gain Multi thousand % gains aren’t really realistic, they’re outliers  So expecting that or thinking that is “the golden days” is still frankly a bit out of touch. Doubling your BTC net worth every four years is still an *amazing* ROI I do feel you that you do have to work it and not just buy and HODL like you used to be able to with BTC or an index fund  You can still buy and hodl btc and come out on top but you now likely will have at least 1 round trip 

Kie_ra

investments with the highest ROI you can't just go and say "my highest return on investment is.." it just doesn't work 

Low_Cup_2659

Who needs ROI anyways.

Kie_ra

Fuck that I'm dying with zero, preferably in debt.  My 2 highest ROI investments are vasectomy and Bitcoin in that order 

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Romanizer

Which also has a higher return. Buying $80 preferreds with 11.5% dividend means they are paying $80 for a yearly return of $11.5, which is a ROI of 14.3%.

hotcornballer

Let's hear what is a good investissement from the guy who stole a company for peanuts and pawned it off to yahoo ROI Radio on the internet

ThomasToIndia

I don't even know why I had that number. I think because maybe bitminter had other coins it was mining or something. I just hope I didn't leave btc on bitminter. I think the miner was like $500 so it still one of the best ROI I have ever made. It just sucks because for all these years I just had 0.75 in my head when checking the price.

bjm3384

If you are getting into BTC for the most part, definitely get into mining. Your investment works for you and churns out BTC daily with very good ROI. You’re letting the mining process do the buying for you and then you can sell the miner later on. I think this one one of the best things out there for BTC maxi’s https://gomining.com/?ref=MINEWITHPURPLE

autonym

>you bought a house from crypto They sold their BTC at 9% more than they paid for it, so only 9% of the house was "from crypto". And that 9% was accumulated over 10 years, so just 0.9% per year, which is a terrible ROI.

Avalanche325

And rent the wife out. That gets you maximum ROI.

Alyanah22

That's basically the definition of DCA! Small, regular amounts over time take away the stress of timing the market. No one can predict the ROI, but it's a solid way to stack sats safely.

Protrader0007

That's called Dollar-Cost Averaging (DCA), and it’s the best way to start! Just watch out for flat exchange fees on small $10 buys, or they’ll eat your profit. Nobody knows the 1-year ROI, so just buckle up for the ride.

CyberCrud

The market doesn't drive the crypto cycle.  It's right on schedule.  It's like saying the weather drives the winter and summer solstice.  It doesn't.   The seasons have a cycle that happen regardless.  If you want to compare apples and oranges by using market terminology, then fine... crypto is in the equivalent of a bear market.  However, the difference is that whereas the normal economic factors of market investing is speculative and cannot be predicted, the crypto market is predictable within a specific cycle.  Those who understand the cycle are the ones that make money in it.  Those that don't are the ones whose exit liquidity become my profit.  I've been through this cycle 3x.  The last one I just paid off my house with.  This next one, ending in 2029, I'm so absolutely confident about that I'm already building a new house to be paid off with my crypto investments.  Unlike other folks on here that argue, I put my money where my mouth is.  If you want to make the most of it, I suggest you start investing this Fall, DCA and lower your averages. Then hold until Summer of 2029.  Your ROI can absolutely be 300+% if you sell within the $175k BTC range at that time.  I always time my sells just before the ATH to avoid the inevitable pullbacks.  We can sit here and argue semantics all day.  Or you can profit with me.  💪

Ilia_Tsup

There is one cool alternative for solana ecosystem - [akashi.finance](http://akashi.finance) It can track your positions, total ROI, invested APY, etc. I'm using it and find pretty useful

Jenn2895

Chainlink, Ethereum, Bitcoin: Stacking in that order. Eth & Link have actual utility. Both are critical infrastructure for RWA & Ai. The transition, although slow, has already begun. Chainlink has the lowest market cap of the 3 which provides room for highest ROI. Which is why my Link bags are heavier than Eth & Btc.

Glimmer_III

_I mean this in the best way, for you or other lurkers with similar questions, and it is NOT meant, at all, to be passive aggressive. You make your own choices. But, please, make informed ones..._ About this: > _Like i look at narratives i have faith, hold, then bottom and its just i don;t know if im doing it right lol._ A collegial tip: * Once you identify something as marketing, ignore it. * Those statements about faith, hold, then bottom? They're marketing. You are 100% in this alone. You have no friends. There are only common interests. The people saying those narratives often have an interest in "not feeling like an idiot unto themselves". Those people _want_ you to stay in it because _you're_ their exit liquidity. Keep your own counsel. Learn to identify, and then immediately ignore, marketing. It'll keep you safe and make you a better trader. (And you'll find "buy-and-hold" for quality assets nearly always beats chasing the dragon.) ______ Good to remember: Many people, in life and in trading, have "success" yet conflate "success due to luck" vs. "success by design". So much of what you're likely seeing about "meme coin success!" are old tropes or stories from 2021 and the first DOGE craze. Lots of us here lived through that. Some people made a ton of money. Others lost their shirts. Everything in between. But you really can't compare strategies from 2021 with strategies in 2026. The entire market is different. The signals are different. And most importantly, the _liquidity is completely different_. I would never touch meme coins in 2026. You're just straight up gambling without realizing it. The times you think you "were smart" and got a profitable trade...you probably were just lucky and are mistaking it for your trading acumen. In 2026, the memecoin scene are either: (a) insiders (looking for exit liquidity) (b) suckers (providing the exit liquidity to the insiders) Unfortunately, you are almost certainly are part of "b", otherwise you wouldn't be making this post. And you don't want to become part of "a". You really, really don't. A better use of your time would be studying traditional finance so you have the language and analytical tools to compare crypto investments against other yardsticks. Because if you can't talk about "What purchasing power relative to inflation is? Or talk about the 10 year T-bill rates?", then you really aren't an informed investor...you're the worst sort of gambler: You're the one who doesn't yet know they're gambling, even though everyone else can see it. . . . . . . . . > how you guys scout which memecoins to put money in, Easy. My analysis is `IF memecoin, THEN ignore.` It really is that simple. The _only_ way memecoin trading "works" is if you are there on day-1, get in, and get out during the initial pump, and can be satisfied with a 10%-25% gain in a few minutes/hours. By any reasonable standard, that's an exceptional ROI. Once you wait for more, and once you "get greedy" trying for me, nope...you're now exit liquidity for someone else and are just gambling even more there is a greater fool. (If you don't know the "greater fool theory", look it up. > whether its worth looking at these big traders and following their trades, No. DYOR applies. DYOR = Do your own research. You can follow those big traders, but DYOR on whether or not you agree with them. Memecoins are universally a trap. > how you guys deal with fomo and the fact that once a coin has past a certain point theres no point in getting in and trying to profit, You ignore FOMO. The saying goes "No one ever went broke from the trade they didn't make." If a project gets "too hot", and you've missed your entry point, move on. Don't chase the dragon. Simply ignore it. (And, hint: A lot of the price action you see with memecoins is manipulated _specifically_ to make you feel FOMO and make a dumb mistake.) Best possible thing you can do is if you feel FOMO, that's your sign to step away. Trading should be dispassionate and boring, not exciting. If you're getting dopamine from it, you're doing it wrong. > how long it took to actually get started (im a week in and i feel hopeless).. Get started? About 2w-4w. To dig myself out of the negative hole I got myself into? Another 1y-3y. HINT: Don't be like me. Stop what you're trying to do, and start studying fundamentals. > how you decide which narratives are worth investing in, etc. Never invest is anything you do not understand. It's true for all investing. If you don't understand it, you can't do anything more than gamble. Take the time to understand a project, and that project's market segment/industry, and _then_ you can evaluate if it may (or may not) be a good investment. (Basically, become analyst for your own portfolio.) > Just some basic advice/personal stories on trading so i don't feel like its over and stress out about being behind.. No. You absolutely _should_ stress out about being behind. That's the other half of your brain trying to protect you from yourself. You've "bought yourself an education" this last week for `$XXXX.XX`. What have you learned? What has that education given you? You've _paid for the stress_. Don't let it go to waste just because you don't like what it's saying. Take a beat, slow down, and accept that the stress is part of the gig. There is no easy money, despite what folks tell you. If you're losing out, it means you're the exit liquidity for someone else, and you're either a sucker, a patsy, or both.

Milcah_Ganderton

That's wild, those 19 BTC would be worth like $700k+ today. Guess he got the best pizza tutorial ROI possible lol.

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InsightKnite

They both have some of the lowest multipliers in terms of return. Neither of those coins are getting more than a 3x and that is absolute best case scenario. Hell even SOL can hit a 4.5x on it's best day. A far better ROI than BTC or ETH.

Jenn2895

Ignore DMs. Anyone trying to talk to you privately about crypto is a scammer. ONLY use major well known exchanges. Anyone trying to direct you to some obscure website is a scammer. Stick with blue chip projects like Bitcoin, Ethereum & Chainlink, etc until you have the time to learn about crypto/blockchain & investing basics like supply & market caps. & learn how to read/understand whitepapers. Once you learn/understand the basics you will be able to pick out newer projects with lower market caps that could potentially get you much higher ROI. \* Also remember memes are gambling!

newMoneyStyle

fair point lmao, if the ROI is billions people will absolutely build a cryo lab in their basement

pitleif

Yeah, the ROI was around 15.000 %, so I'm not complaining. I just hope the ones who lost their funds now, will also be able to get some of it back one day.

Cryptodawgz94

Thats why people should have a mind set of actually spending their funds :P and collect a actual ROI // my first ROI was %900 +

RevengeTrade

I just think Bitcoin will stabilize at some point. Sure, it might continue to go up but I think the ROI will be moderate compared to the gains seen in recent years. I think it could reach $1M sometime in late 2030s or 2040s, but the Bitcoin rocket will eventually lose fuel. I think it will reach a point where the gains are so moderate that investing in the S&P500 will be viewed as a more lucrative investment. It can’t go up 5-7x every bull market forever. It’s gonna stabilize at some point. It’s not like stocks where the companies create more value which makes the stock go up. Debasement of the currency doesn’t correspond to Bitcoin going up. Altcoins have been annihilated and weren’t saved by dollar printing or quantitative tightening ending. I think it’s an erroneous argument to claim that a particular asset will appreciate just due to money printing and currency debasement. Sure it can go up for ever but not in the same rate it has done the last year, not even close. That’s just what I believe. Ofc I could be wrong. Nobody knows. Just speculating

CipherScarlatti

It's because it's perceived to be the "safest" with ROI. If suddenly equity firms and the rich started to pile into something like Ankr there would be tons of Ankr maximalists all saying: "I always knew THIS was the best crypto." You're also forgetting, especially here that it's a bot echo chamber.

Congenital0ptimist

Most of retail sentiment is driven by "CT" aka Crypto Twitter. It's an absolute cess pool of the 4chan flavored Maga wing. Also hate to say it but the developers of "most" defi protocols are fly by night scammers. 90% of crypto is. 99% when it has a "community" somewhere like Discord. Even the projects that start out with good intentions get rugged when the devs eventually become faced with the A/B option of huge challenges vs cashing out millions. Why make anything a success if the initial launch will see you set for life? Even all the "professor coins" come down to being real world studies with a P&D tacked on. They're all open source & patent free. So not even the code has monetary value outside of the liquidity it might attract. I.e. You could launch Cardano2 tomorrow and fund it with 5 billion dollars of stable coin TVL if you were a big enough business interest, if you could see any ROI in doing so. And why wouldn't you? Then you can have all your own founder tokens. Rinse repeat. The business interest / ROI is (=equals=) driving the founder token value up. Why else do all that work? Who's the customer again? What are they buying? Where does the ROI from? *Other than token-go-up, what is the business model?* And that's it. That's where we are now.

Tokentactico

Halving math on this cuts both ways for miners specifically, worth separating from the "just sell BTC" question since a lot of people in mining threads conflate the two. If you're mining, the thing that actually forces the sell decision isn't price, it's your all-in cost per TH versus reward per TH. Take a rough mid-efficiency rig at 12 W/TH, $0.05/kWh electricity: that's about $0.0144/TH/day just in power, before hosting or maintenance fees. Reward per TH scales with (BTC price × block subsidy) / network difficulty. Difficulty has kept climbing basically every quarter this cycle regardless of price, so your reward per TH has been shrinking even in months where BTC went up. The April 2028 halving cuts the subsidy in half again. Unless price has appreciated enough by then to offset both the halving and whatever difficulty does between now and then, a bunch of mid-and-lower-efficiency hashrate goes cash-flow negative on electricity alone, not just unprofitable on ROI. That's usually what actually triggers hashrate coming offline and difficulty dropping, not sentiment. For someone just holding coin with no mining exposure, none of that math applies to you directly, it only matters insofar as a wave of miner capitulation can spike volatility short term. So the "time to sell" question really has two separate answers depending on whether you're holding the asset or holding the machines producing it. Worth being explicit about which one you are before taking advice from either camp.

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logavulin16

Congrats. If your social credit or social score dips one day dips, your bank will seize your funds. You are missing the point of decentralization. Bank runs happen all the time, even in first world nations. Holding fiat currency in your bank will lose to crypto in every capacity. ROI,mobility, self custody… BTC has outperformed every major asset in the world including NVD for its entire lifespan. AI has had a great 3 year run. Its scalable runway is running ever shorter. Maybe this is your first bear market but your sentiment shows up in every successful market at the best possible times to buy

DarrelXero

Assuming 100% uptime and actually free electricity and you are pool mining (FPPS) but not taking into account any pool fees an Avalon Q running in eco mode, when Bitcoin is ~65K USD, earns about $1.75 a day in BTC. That's an ROI of ~24 months.

DragonflyTypical

Not exactly a 100x but uk good ROI

Sufficient_Fuel5269

Even with free electricity, mining today almost doesn’t rent. ASICs are expensive, depreciate quickly and the ROI is usually terrible. If you want to win BTC, it is usually better to buy it than to set up a mine.

Hawke64

Hey, you can stake these utility coins and get 4% ROI. Just don't mind that these coins lose 90% of their valuation every year.

bvandepol

Don’t you think they want an ROI

Umarzy

All I see are the top 10 cryptos anyone can find on Coingecko's front page. With less than a year to the bitcoin halving, I would rather be positioned in undervalued projects to maximize ROI. The OCEAN, Singularity & Credit Protocol team are building amazing products and making significant progress. I have no doubt these will outperform.

ShotCryptographer523

I hold over 100 crypto's so I do the opposite of what you say although 70% of it is in BTC and ETH, 15% in top alts I believe in and a sprinkle of others. My thesis is this. I research a coin I like that has only just launched, has a seemingly good use case and good tokenomics. I put 20 - 100 bucks in it and will never follow it until the next bull starts. Why? These historically have the best ROI. Also I am not attached to it so I don't mind taking profits. I will highlight none of these are meme coins. If only 1 or 2 50X or more, it is worth it. If BTC doubles and it all fails. Ahh well. I break even but at least it was fun. Funny because the coin DMTR is on this subreddit's banner right now. I hold that.

thistimelineisweird

I wouldnt live lavishly with $10MM. Invest most of it to try and get 5-15% annual ROI. Live off that interest. Pay off a house. Maybe fly business class on trips though and drink nicer wine. $10MM would still be withing the realm of no one needs to know. Now if it was $100MM, there would be signs.

Silkytoad

Most of all billionaires wealth come from equity in their companies. I wouldn’t call maintaining their position “hoarding”. So essentially a wealth tax wants them to be forced to sell their shares to have enough cash to pay the wealth taxes until their wealth drops below the “billionaire” threshold. It’s expensive to make valuations of all of their properties prior to collecting a tax every year. Not a sound ROI from the IRS’s perspective.

Ferdo306

If you look at ROI percentage and not amount earned, it's really not that impressive 3% in crypto isn't even worth mentioning

Jenn2895

Idk. Bought Btc, Eth & Ltc around same time this cycle. ROI is about equal to Eth & just under Btc. So far at least.

correkt-horse

Sure, because a pile of rocks has such a high ROI.

_TheWolfOfWalmart_

Same, I've never had a better ROI.

Aerocryptic

GG, what's your average ROI on this one?