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I am about to go away for 5 days on vacation and I was thinking the same. Been trying to trade markets and be too clever and it’s stressful and the ROI is not worth it. Excited to switch off and come back and simple DCA into btc/eth & a couple of alts
This. If 2021/2022 showed anything, it's that the money goes where the unregulated high ROI is. They didn't care about the idea behind decentralization then, they don't now. Or if they do, they are shitscared and want to bury it into the ground after setting it on fire.
It is 0.63$ on Mexc. Even with that price, it is great ROI for anybody participated in Binance Launchpad - initial price was 0.025$ I would like it to go 2$ each :)
I think Bitcoin has been profitable, and requires little or no trading history to back it up. Imagine I open a long position on the token when it went up to $20k on MEXC futures with the CEX adjustable leverage. At this point that's my trading history which says it all. Pretty ROI I have made.
Just keep buying at any chance you get. Also try diversifying into altcoins like ETH, SHIB(funny but it can still pull a 10x IMO), QANX, and VRA that are likely to deliver 10x to 100x ROI. This will help you get the capital you need.
I’ll bet ole Ma, has a much better ROI than anyone else in this family.. And for being a so called “financial illiterate” she’s miles ahead of her son.
tldr; As of March 20, five leading U.S. banks have lost a cumulative market capitalization of $108.92 billion in 2023 alone. In comparison, Bitcoin has added $219.86 billion to its market cap during the same period. Bitcoin has also dwarfed the banking giants regarding return on investment (ROI). *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR. Get more of today's trending news [here](https://coinfeeds.substack.com).*
The actual technological fundamentals are what grant price potential, but if the tokenomics are bad, that potential is prematurely capped. Therefore, both the software engineering and tokenomics are inextricably linked to ROI and inseparable from the investment analysis process.
For real ? It must be a generational thing. GenX here - I’m guessing I’ve just been a around a lot longer than you. Plus my first job out school was at a bank. You’re also not the first person in this thread to question what a CD is. When I first started trying to save and invest - there was no such thing as Internet or crypto so the options were different kinds of deposit accounts at your local bank or stocks/bonds/mutual funds. Nothing sus about them as they are guaranteed. It’s just not a great ROI. low risk/low return.
Just calling them ‘digital collectibles’ would go a long way, but I’ve always liked the idea of real gaming companies integrating blockchain technologies. That is the best P2E I can think of. Existing P2E or metaverse projects crowdsource funding from mint and then come under pressure to deliver something in no amount of time because degens want ROI. Good games take *years* to develop. These companies have the user base, the development experience and could quickly adopt NFTs into existing franchises like achievements/trophies.
A lot of people don't use financial advisors and wouldn't understand them if they tried. Seriously, many people keep cash in a safe or, to make a joke of it, under their mattress. Or in a bank account, which is not much removed, for effectively zero interest. You're assuming a level of financial literacy I do not assume. And volatility does not necessarily mean you do not preserve value, and I hope it is not too much of a presumption to assume you're intelligent enough to know that. What I am talking there is time horizons, which if you are indeed someone who wants to look at things in a balanced way is well familiar with. The stock market can vary wildly, and we all know that, but its long term return rate makes it an attractive investment. Treasury bonds tend not to vary that much at all, making them arguably the most attractive investment available in the world economy. Yet one of our top 20 banks just went under because it had too much investment in Treasury bonds without adequate hedges against interest rate rises. Let's not pretend the old assumptions always hold true, that the short and long-terms are effectively the same, etc. Preserve value for what? Now? Two weeks? Years? Decades? Financial advisory certifications are required to give investment advice precisely because everyone's needs, dangers, and expectations can be so varied that a blanket response to an investment question makes zero sense. 9% ROI in the stock market(it didn't always used to be that high) for the next 10 to 30 years? Maybe. For the next 10? Or five? Now that's a non-sequitur.
They're a great play, but don't forget that you can provide liquidity in the ETH/MOONS liquidity pool as well. Great ROI.
If this is mostly longs, there will almost certainly be a liquidation attempt - exchanges won’t keep paying this ROI/PNL without shenanigans. And if it’s shorts, then up we go, but I somehow think it’s mostly longs.
This is a core underlying issue that most people in crypto are seemingly unaware of. For your token to grow in value and give you a ROI there needs to be a sustained supply / demand imbalance. If the tokenomics do not cause any reason for overall buying pressure in the name through high demand or low supply, then you won't make any money long-term. A lot of tokens serve a purpose but through the tokenomics will never appreciate in value.
In Germany at the moment crypto is not classed as a security or anything specific. This puts it in the same class as everyday objects and possessions. E.g. a car, a TV, you name it. For these things, once you hold them for a year before selling, it's considered "personal use" and tax free. If you sell within a year, it's considered commercial "flipping" and taxed at income tax rates. Staking is classed as income though, making some high ROI / high inflation coins a bad idea in Germany.
What’s the ROI of a lightbulb to a caveman? Nothing What’s the ROI of a basketball to a young Lebron James? Everything. A golden ticket to financial freedom for a kid who prob had no chance finding it elsewhere. Crypto is that basketball to those who are open-minded enough to pick it up early and learn to play.
Pretty solid ROI on that yellow pad.
50% ROI is all i need to see to turn and run the other way
Eh, i don't mind. If the fees eat into my ROI in a meaningful way while im investing in crypto im doing something severely wrong anyway.
Unpopular Observation: Somehow everyone posts about "you should take profits" during a bear market, but never in a bull-market.... Just like they scream about buying the dip every bull market, but never act that optimistic in a bear market... Maybe doing it the other way around would improve ROI....
High IQ investors don't like commodities with poor ROI. I like gold because its valuable, portable, and easy to trade. I don't like it because in the last decade I could have made much better returns elsewhere.
This is it right here. The best ROI is an investment in yourself - take classes to learn a new skill, upgrade your current skillset, teach yourself skills, start a side hustle, make yourself more desirable for employers It’s hard work and I realize not everyone is in a position to do that. But if you can, it’s worth it
I think maybe 2030, or later. Let’s see how ETH performs in the next bullrun. I believe the ETH ROI will be higher than BTC in 2025.
Sounds like it. 1000% ROI for stocks sounds like investing in hard mode....
Buy appartement in Dubai. ROI 20% quarterly
How can I find 1000% of ROI? Is it like a shitcoin P&D?
"Ten bagger refers to an investment that generates a return of ten times the amount of the initial investment, i.e., a 1,000% return on investment (ROI)."
ENERGI (NRG) self funding POS for years Never over hyped or shilled by devs and founders Look out for community Rarely ever a successful theft due to time delays moving coins off chain. Forthcoming OpenSea like platform with plans to avoid all the mistakes made in initial NOn Fungable Token modes, products and markets 22% ROI staking with zero lock in
Then you should invest with a trading company? It saves your time, risk and possible losses, and get a 5.5% daily ROI. I hold 30% of my crypto portfolio and invest the rest for a constant source of income. Haven’t you heard about that?
I’d usually get a couple a week, but yea, I’d do the same. Never fell for any of them, idk why they kept trying with me cause it’s not like they ever got an ROI for that.
That’s a great ROI. Good for you believing in it. I’d heard of them but recently just dipping my toes in. Earned my first 88 moons from this last drop that coming.
That's a pretty decent ROI all things considered. Now to stack up some more
Lost a lot of money holding shitcoins too long. Exit scams. And bear markets. My ROI is still exceptionally high because of the few shitcoins that ended up as winners.
I would never try to mine BTC, the ROI for a BTC miner is ridiculous
Mining for greed, not ideology. Algorithms always win. Watch your ROI.
All of these ways to earn money are also ways to lose money through risk. You can... 1. Make bad trades, 2. Buy overpriced mining gear and never hit ROI, 3. Lose your staked coins on a CEX or bad contract, 4. Lend on the wrong platform that goes under (for example, UST lending), 5. Deal with impermanent loss, 6. Buy NFT which plummets in value. Every single one of these methods has risk involved. Be careful, it's not as simple as easily making money from nothing.
That's a lot of money from just $100, better ROI than any other investment you could made.
The ROI will be good for sure, doesn't seem is going to die, but I like other projects so I'm not investing in SOL
I think it will have solid ROI from current price, even if it doesn’t make new ATH. This sub just hates on it for the downtime, which I agree with but that has not happened in quite a while and firedancer upgrade will fix that
I have been using Crypto.com card for nearly 3 years - and have never had a problem with it - and i have a amazing ROI on it :). This is not "First ever crypto cashback card in the Nordics", we have had this shit for ages - f**k it, you even https://plutus.it/ have been avalible for a long period of time, and plutus have amazing rewards compared to nbx :)
I am not lego brick investor, cause I am too poor to froze my money for 5 or 10 years, but that's actually great idea. In previous years unopened lego sets gave ROI bigger than gold or most other investments. It is definitely good if someone have some spare money. Big not opened lego sets after few years can multiply their value. More rare and bigger the set is the better.
What kind of ROI are you projecting here?
You should probably have a 6 month cash emergency fund. It doubles as emergency dry powder for taking advantage of FTX events to 16k. Emergency cash can have a very good ROI if you deploy it correctly.
all gud my man if u want indicatrz they will not b cheep but wil defnitly get ROI of 10000x
Exactly. Entry vs Exit, the ROI% is huge compared to many others in this subreddit. Plus, the funds are being utilized for a different investment vehicle. I don't see why the arms up in the air about selling some or all. It's only 5 coins, so, not like he's sitting on a whale amount that would impact the market.
Since roi is measured in percentage there is no "high roi on low investment" If you have a ROI of 100% you made 100%. If you invested 500k you'd have a million If you invested only 20 bucks you'd have 40. Not that hard right? Crypto is just another volatile market, just like stocks, commodities etc. No magic involved and no get rich quick schemes either, sorry.
I have had a decent ROI on alt coins, if there is 1 thing I have learned which might be biased, but don’t rage doggie coins too seriously. And I would say one of the best ways to stay up to date on the newest coins and learn more about the coins is right here in this community
Yea um nope. I've felt the altcoin excitement in the 2017 days. It always ends up the same. 95% of alts end up being garbage, even if they are up there in market cap. LTC, XRP, Dash...all those were classic gems and even if they are up there on the list, those projects have basically stopped making any meaningful progress. Safest option is to just stick with BTC/ETH. I have a slight preference to ETH due to staking and being able to make a passive ROI while you hold.
ETH = slightly better ROI potential BTC = slightly safer (possibly significantly, depends what the SEC thinks)
if by ROI you mean in the short term, yeah for sure. long term it should be a pretty good return
Probably for ROI not the best, but they feel the safest and the least like gambling
that's where the new ReflectFi projects differ, they take the tax and invest it in Defi Yeild positions, they invest in LP positions in DEXs like pancakeswap. This creates a ROI, which they harvest and use to do different things. fatcat: uses it to wash trade feeding the reflection engine funicular: buys its token and burns it darktavern: buys back and locks it in LP All three have slightly different approaches, but the idea is volume creates reflections that is used to invest outside the ecosystem and then fed back in, which in my view solves a lot of the longevity issues in reflection tokenomics since the passive income the defi investments generate keep growing and turning the flywheel even if no one buys.
> it’s an uncomfortable truth that steps on their comfortable lie I love that sentence. What a great line. Yes, it's very true cult-like behaviours are exhibited a lot in crypto. Most notably in (safemoon, HEX and XRP) there are many more than that, but those three are pretty extreme since they are down heavy. I guess their investors have two options give up and face the realization of a loss or just keep shilling. I guess the ones we see decide the latter, lol. It's a shame that safemoon ended the way it has because I like the concept of reflections. There is something powerful about taking a small part of every trade and distributing it in different ways. I have noticed a new trend in reflections that looks very promising. ReflectFi, which is not a project. It's the idea of combining Defi + reflections to build a self-sustaining system. The main problem with reflections is they are essentially modern-day Ponzi schemes, constantly needing new money in to satisfy old hodlers. ReflectFi converts some of the reflections into Defi investments that generate yield and then funnel that ROI back into the projects in different ways. From what I can tell, this new movement is only 3.5 months old, and to my knowledge, I have only seen three projects that deploy this concept: FATCAT (BSC), FUNICULAR (ETH) and DarkTavernToken (BSC) These are hard to find; they still need to be added to CMC, and only fatcat is on coingecko. In my opinion, we will likely see more projects that employ the same tokenomics concept soon.
It’s been one of my top ROI bets - bought 3 for $75 when they launched… 😭
Not sure about the ROI but at least someone enjoyed the ride? (I hope)
The ROI is also questionable
I will mortgage my life for Pokémon NFTs. If it happens, it will become the best ROI for any NFT ever!
How the fuck do we get rich off this shit in 2023? There are plenty of posts criticizing the feds and “classical finance strategies” of profit making… and rightly so, the system is rigged in so many ways, hoping for 7% ROI from S&P is a long and not foolproof strategy anymore, compound interest only gets you so far, every single bank only gives you extremely shitty offers which hold very little outcome… But then again, crypto’s main players crashed down in 2022. When is this shit picking back up steam again? Before next halving? Now that Elon’s become disinterested in investing in BTC and had gotten a hard on for Twitter and social media shenanigans, when is it most likely that the crypto ecosystem is going to pick up steam again and see strong green candles again? I don’t mean to be too direct or rude, I am seriously and genuinely curious and interested. One can be optimistic while also analyzing things from a rational and realistic standpoint. Of course things are going to reach a peak of positive outcomes like they did in 2020/2021 in the cryptosphere, why wouldn’t it? Crypto is here to stay, an unstoppable force. But still, it’d be interesting to theorize how will it recover from the harsh year that was 2022, and to predict important events which might give BTC wings again, mainstream support and corporate investing, etc. When? No smart dudes out here or only memers leas by emotion?
Back when moons were distributed by the thousands, I gave 1000 or so to another random redditor. I can’t remember why, but it’s all good. Moon farming is such a low ROI thing in terms of time spent.
Sure it is. Banks go down => people start distrusting banks and withdraw => they still have to keep their money somewhere and they have few options: Stash money in socks - Buy Gold - Buy Stonks - Buy Bitcoin And Bitcoin has better ROI than gold or stocks
Sure it is. Banks go down => people start distrusting banks and withdraw => they still have to keep their money somewhere so they have 3 options: Stash money in socks - Buy Gold - Buy Stonks - Buy Bitcoin And Bitcoin has better ROI than gold or stocks
Sure it is. Banks go down => people start distrusting banks and withdraw => they still have to keep their money somewhere so they have 3 options: Stash money in their socks - Buy Gold - Buy Stonks - Buy Bitcoin And Bitcoin has better ROI than gold or stocks
>Interesting perspective, I appreciate you putting the numbers into context. I wonder how technologic advancement and reduced costs of operation over time might factor in. I have thought about this for so many years. But I rarely express it because it's *FUD* and no one wants to hear that. >Computing power per dollar is still on the rise and renewable energy becoming more common. Any technological progress honest miners make in securing BTC, *attackers* have access to it too, so it cancels itself out. BTC's hashes per second is almost irrelevant.. All that matters is the daily reward at $20,000/BTC is worth $18M *in fiat*, miner's energy expenses are *in fiat*, so a miner will spend *up to* $17.999M in energy/investment working for that reward to be at some profit. If it costs someone $19M to mine $18M in BTC they'd be better off not mining at all, and instead buying BTC off the market from a more efficient miner. It's very fair to assume the majority of all active miners are in-profit. If it costs someone $9M to mine $18M in BTC they're incentivized to *scale up* their operation, which comes at some cost, until they're mining 2-3x the BTC for at a $17.999M cost - achieving a substantially higher/faster ROI than otherwise. It's fair to assume the hashrate is as saturated as it can be at all times. That means BTC is being secured by, *however many hashes* $18M can generate in 2023. If BTC issued $18M in 2010 its security (ie the dollar-cost to take the network down) would be the same only with a *much* lower hashrate since that was before ASIC mining - but since *everyone* was using a GPU to mine no honest/malicious miners had an advantage over each other. If BTC issued $18M in 2053 the same principal applies, there might be a new rig or energy source that can output 1000x the hashes for the same $1 but *every* miner will use that rendering the increase in hashes moot. Halvings used to propel the network so much, none of this mattered. When miners were getting 7200 BTC in issuance every day and the price wasn't crashing through every floor, it meant there was at least 7200 BTC in buy pressure to cancel out all their sell pressure. A halving occurred, then *overnight* issuance dropped to 3600. The market buying 7200 each day over the next 100 days would've bought a surplus of 36,000 BTC from much more speculative end of the market, that propelled the price up by over 2x canceling out the 1/2 drop in miner income. When BTC goes from issuing 900 per day to 450 in 2024 everyone is expecting the same supply shock to occur. It might. But there will only be a 4,500 surplus in buying pressure 100 days after the next halving, about $90M, which compared to BTC's daily volume is nothing. When BTC goes from issuing 56 to 28 BTC in 2040 there will be a 2,800 surplus of buying pressure in the market over 100 days. Does the market buying a surplus of 28 BTC per day cause the price to 2x? I don't think halvings will affect the price forever. Halvings were why the price went up so *violently* for so many years. Once the supply shocks are over and it no longer can 2x, it will *just as violently* start reducing its overall security budget instead. The narrative still today is next halving will bring a pump - so people trade around it making the pump happen - but that narrative will soon change to, *will this halving make BTC less secure*, and people won't trade that narrative as much. If BTC is worth $500,000 in 2040, it will issue only $14M which is a 28% reduction in security relative to today. If we are in wartime then, or experience a bad stock crash (inevitable) and BTC crashes *all the way down to $200,000*, it would be secured with only $5.6M per day. That would suggest after the crash there'd be $8.4M sitting out, when only $5.6M can mine for-profit. That $8.4M very well could represent over 51% of its total hashrate. They would be able to turn their rigs back on and control the network's entire consensus, if they were only willing to mine at a loss. Maybe someone offers them a reward to do this, or extorts them... In the US now they're paying "green miners" carbon credits to mine, which they use as their income instead of mining (artificially increasing the hashrate while *substantially* decreasing security). The US could come out and say, mine for our OFAC-censoring mining-pool now or you get no more subsidies, and any law-abiding or for-profit entity would without hesitation. Maybe someone makes a new L1 that's (artificially) worth a crazy amount of money, but you can only get in on new issuance by mining BTC maliciously. Only to say the collusion could come from anywhere, money talks. Miners are profit maxis, and they sell 99% of their BTC to cover expenses so few are bag holders. I don't think they really care about the network's long term sustainability (eg, the blocksize wars) beyond being able to achieve their ROI as quickly as possible. If they have a machine collecting dust that can be turned on for profit, you should expect they will do that. Most of the mining operations today (any in industrial mining) are made up of large groups of shareholders, who wouldn't be involved in the first place if it weren't for earning more money. BTC only *works* when the majority of *all miners* can be in profit honestly. I just don't see how it could maintain that while the reward is going from 900 BTC today to 0.9 BTC over the next 40 years. Progress in technology be damned. Even if BTC has a $420T mcap 40 years from now, to maintain its same $18M per day security budget, that might *not be enough* security for that large of a network... by then it'd surely be a threat to the status quo, and entire *wars* have been waged on inanimate objects for less. If BTC didn't have a halving schedule and its issuance was distributed on a more linear scale, like Monero's was, it wouldn't be worth $20,000 today (just look at Monero's all time chart), but everyone would've had a lot more time to build (use cases) for serious long term sustainability. Mining wouldn't have become industrialized either, we'd be able to do it from home still ourselves. With *valuable* (can earn money on) use cases people might even mine out of altruism, like they do to support Monero. For a network commonly touted as something that will persist for over 140 years (when the last micro-reward is mined) it was a serious design flaw to have it release 95% of all its *total* issuance/incentives not 20 years after its inception. Since no one pays to use BTC, and all miner income comes from new people buying in, and everyone else is trying to profit on the same algorithmic supply/demand imbalance around the halvings, it seems a lot like a ponzi to me. The moment people stop buying in to offset miner sell pressure, the price will start to fall making the chain less secure or insecure, the group speculating on BTC's vision loses while the miner's sitting on fiat and $Mm's of solar panels come out unscathed. It doesn't seem like everyone's incentives are aligned. Compared to POS or other POW networks that aren't ASIC/profit driven, that every participant can be involved in from top to bottom - 'If they lose I lose' works much better in my mind than 'fuck you got mine', or whatever mining with the first BTC-ASIC must've felt like. But, *number go up*. I'm still trading around the halving narrative expecting *my alts* to rally from all the extra liquidity.. The halving is a good trade until it isn't. So far it still is, so whatever I guess, that's basically all BTC was meant to do anyways. It sucks for everyone coming of age, or discovering BTC 10 years from now, cos *I got mine* before its *artificial* scarcity went into overdrive, and before I had to pay massively high fees to secure the blockchain with. I'll be sure to tell my kid "fuck you got mine" when they try to figure all this out for their first time and see it costs them 100x per transaction as it did me. It doesn't sound like a long term game so have some fun while it lasts. I don't think it even has 10 years left in it before its security gets *thoroughly* tested or called into question. I'm just so unsure about it. You'd think if something could be done to help it, it would've been done by now. The *one* new tech thing I have seen come out that may help prolong BTC's life, are *NFTs*/Inscriptions on Bitcoin that are paying obscenely high fees for each mint. But BTC maxis and miners are having serious discussion on censoring these transactions, because of course they are. Their community simply can't adapt fast enough for what's already been set in stone to happen.
I think that with more effort you can get that ROI even further down.
Then you'll get insane ROI no matter what.
What's your reasoning for that? Someone who wants to borrow my money needs to give me compensation (interest, ROI). That's a basic fact that will always exist. In a deflationary economy, while they have my money, that money is going up in value, and so they have the all the benefits I have from simply holding it. Nothing's different in this aspect to an inflationary system - at the end they simply give me the money back + some % compensation/interest (for having the benefit of using my money while I couldn't)
TL;DR - America has too much old money stifling innovation for obvious reasons. Nothing new here. We've seen this in every possible industry. As for the question. Crypto has always been at risk. Were we really naive enough to think the SEC, central banks/banks, WMF, the FED, the finance industry, and all centralized parties were going to quietly allow a decentralized system to take control of their established system? We always knew this was going to be an uphill battle and society as a whole doesn't have the backbone and means to stand up and collectively say enough is enough. A world where every financial transaction or document is publicly accessible, or voted on by a proposal, on a blockchain, is disastrous for these governments, organizations, and individuals. A world where you and I can trade directly without taxation(this is a separate topic), a bank or another entity is involved to get a cut(interest/ROI)? A world where a new bill (governance) needs to be published by a deadline and voted on in real-time by its citizens versus waiting until elections? No more stroke-of-midnight submissions that need to be approved first thing in the morning when elected officials, much less the public have had time to see whats in it? You must be out of your damned mind. For those stating "we've seen this before, nothing to worry about", when exactly did we see the on-ramps and off-ramps to crypto threatened in the way they are today? For those paying attention (this has been discussed years ago), we always knew a threat to these means of access could spell the end of crypto. Are we there yet? Let's see how the next few weeks/months play out.
I bought 3 cones at $25/each - probably my best ROI of any recent investment 👀🍿
Bank of mom and dad keep DCA into their son, but not getting a good ROI
I'm with ya... I lost $ in the Terra mess. I watched the CEX meltdowns... people were aping into UST bc it was going back $1, easy 20% ROI. Even if this overblown and a nothing event by next Friday, we're still in for a bumpy few days... there's a bank run coming Monday morning, and tech is gonna have a bad day. I'm considering bear call spreads on Nasadq at open...
In 2016, BTC wasn’t a pube on an elephant’s dick. $20,000 per token isn’t shining? Find me anything that has had a comparable 5 year ROI. It’s not at it’s ATH so… it isn’t “shining”? Are you shitting me? You moon fanboys make my skin crawl.
That’s what I call a good ROI 😂
thanks man, I already ROI of 40% now. I really think this time it's different than UST case where fraud is involved back then
That's like saying you don't own land because "all you have is the deed that says you own it". This exact line of thinking is the flaw, because it is a misunderstanding of ownership. That receipt is all that's important to verifying the ownership. If people go out and buy garbage from other people that then later turns into a picture of a turd I have 0 empathy because that's not what I'm arguing for and they were likely only looking for ROI. BUT if you buy a legitimate piece of art or a concert ticket or anything from someone or an entity you trust, I can guarantee you it won't turn into a turd. Just because people are selling turds doesn't mean the platform is a turd. And the receipt is what proves the ownership yes. If I buy an expensive piece of art and it's stolen from my house, how do I prove it was mine? The invoice when I bought it...
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Ether helped me buy a house. Cardano gives me steady returns each week. I now truely feel like my own bank. Started lending out my crypto which helped me gain some additional ROI.
Rising Star, ROI is terrible but that shit is addicting. I just can’t stop opening packs and collecting cards. Hopefully, raves would bring its economy to a better place.
the ROI of an ETF would maybe be nice in 2080 but not in 2030-2040. besides that, yeah why not.
I admit it: I’m here for ROI.. doesn’t mean I see a future in tech? Why would I invest in the tech if I don’t see it becoming valuable ?
tbh selling snow would give much more ROI and you'd probably have less stress
The only way to make profit is make electricity yourself With increase of electricity prices in recent years and cheaper sustainable energy - it is just way better. But to get into mining without big cash flow for solar panels and so on - its hard I haven't calculated what the ROI on this way would be, but seeing congress fucking every now and then - it may be just the safer option overall
It just annoys me when people abuse the English language. E.g., miners using the term “ROI” when they really mean “breakeven”.