ZERO

SamLeCoyote_Fix_1

ZERO?

jalleNET

Sure, multiply ur paycheck, house,dog and wife with ZERO

Hefty-Amoeba5707

It was zero. Bitcoin was the first major asset to have a "Fair Launch". it had no Pre-mine, no Initial Coin Offering (ICO), and no venture capital funding. Satoshi Nakamoto announced the project on a public mailing list, allowing anyone with a computer to participate from the start. This model of organic, decentralized growth from a valuation of ABSOLUTE ZERO to a global reserve asset is unprecedented. Bitcoin is the very definition of "price discovery" caused by supply and demand in its purest form.

Historical_Smoke557

Bitcoin to ZERO, hopefully soon so I can buy a boatload of them before it goes back up to $250k.

gtrttt14

Bitcoin down to ZERO?

PriorHunt6967

What does commercial opportunist mean? Is everyone in crypto an opportunist, because most people, as you know, want to make money in crypto? Is the person writing the original post also an opportunist? I mean, everyone joined crypto for a profit. Let's not pretend to be saints. Ivan is providing great free content every day in Bull and Bear for over EIGHT years. Think about that! Ivan is doing content for over eight years daily, and I would love him to keep going for many years ahead. Before being so judgmental, evaluate what you have done for crypto first. Let's start there and then complain about what other people who are working every day in crypto are doing. Moreover, just like previous commenters have said, this original post is complaining about the FREE webinar ($0 cost, ZERO DOLLARS), which is a ridiculous thing to complain about. Ivan's paid memberships and Bullmania are very good, because I'm personally part of it already for the last three months.

LA_traffic_hater

woah this isn’t true at all what a bad rumor he gets ZERO credit for creating bitcoin. there’s no connection other than in the last decade he tried to potentially make his own coin and spoke to the creator of bitcoin but nothing ever moved forward. so this is an entire non-issue. the files show he even pulled out of cyrpto entirely in 2018.

biba8163

The quantum computing hype is sham to lure more and more money from investors which has delivered ZERO practical results in the past 25 years. This hype narrative is pushed by dishonest and technically clueless Wall Street analysts and the result is fear mongering by even more clueless people in crypto. 25 YEARS ago, **a 7-qubit quantum computer factored the number 15** and it was supposed to be a threat to breaking encryption algorithms > IBM researchers make another advance in quantum computing, demonstrating "Shor's Algorithm," which can break large encryption codes https://www.wired.com/2001/12/big-blue-takes-quantum-step **(2001)** 25 YEARS later, **1,000+ qubit quantum computers still aren't able to factor the number 21** because it's still too demanding for the hardware > Why haven't quantum computers factored 21 yet? https://algassert.com/post/2500 - **21** - The number that quantum computers still cannot factor with 1,000+ qubit hardware - **115792089237316195423570985008687907852837564279074904382605163141518161494336** - the range of private keys is between 1 and this number which is more atoms that exist in the known universe that dummies think that quantum computers will be able to guess There has been zero progress in anything quantum computers are capable of doing in the past 25 years besides the advancement in hardware in the number of qubits. Increasing the number of qubits it turns out is pointless because quantum computers get exponentially nosier the more qubits they have. So researchers have turned to try to stabilize qubits which becomes exponentially harder and harder the more qubits you have. This dilemma hasn't changed the fact that the quantum hype narrative continues to be pushed to extract maximum money from investors in vaporware companies.

McNitz

No, there's a lot to be said about how wrong this is. "Good money should be easy to use." Bitcoin fails. If you don't perfectly execute your own cybersecurity, you could lose 10s of thousands of dollars to hackers with literally ZERO possible recourse to get it back. The explanation is literally just completely wrong about why BitCoin is "hard to make". The fact that math problems have to solved to add BitCoins to the supply has nothing to do with why more BitCoins won't be created. It is because there is a hard cap on the number of BitCoins in the code itself. What this misses though is that there's a reason the AUTHORITY behind a government to guarantee a currency's usage is important. Sure, BitCoin is limited. But there is absolutely nothing unique about BitCoin that would mean it will be used in the future. Someone could decide they don't like how the current BitCoin system is working and come up with an alternative that more people want to use. If this results in BitCoin losing market share, there are now more "digital coins" in existence, regardless of whether they are labelled "BitCoin". And because popularity is really the ONLY guide for the value of BitCoin, that would result in a MASSIVE devaluation. Which also brings up the problem that BitCoin doesn't REALLY have a solid story of what it is. To some people it is a hedge. To some people it is an investment. To some people it is a way to avoid inflation. And to some people like this video they think it should be a currency. But because BitCoin has no way to determine which of these ways it is used, it ends up performing all of them poorly. People treat it as an investment. Which works until enough people using it as a currency or hedge decide it isn't worth it and it tanks in value. But the people treating it as an investment drive massive volatility, which makes it absolutely TERRIBLE as a currency. And so on and so forth. As with most things made by the ultra Libertarian propaganda mill that is the Tuttle Twins, this video present a ridiculously one sided view of the subject that only favors THEIR preferred interpretation.

spaceplacetaste

You have exactly ZERO idea that todays low isn't tomorrows high. You DON'T know where the dip is. This whole sub is nothing but optimism propaganda to make people think it's smart to buy and buy and buy even more.

cryptorevolution999

But you are missing the most important key factor about bitcoin. Bitcoin is decentralized, while banks are not. If tomorrow someone crack a 256 bit key, bitcoin will go to ZERO. Banks? They would just add an additional security layers which are already in place. They could also shut down the servera until someone figure it out what to do. Again, the hypotetical scenario above is that if someone cracks it tomorrow. Also, with BTC, the public keys are exposed as soon you spend it. This means, that any wallet that exposed the public key is vulnerable.

liquid_at

The thing many people ignore is that Bitcoin developers have absolutely ZERO reasons to ignore quantum threats. They will not wait for 50 years for QC to become powerful enough to break bitcoin. At a fraction of that time, QC would already be powerful enough to be used to protect the blockchain, increasing the cost for QC to break it. All it would really take would be one QC-Resistent factor in the code that can't be broken, to protect the whole. Much like incrasing CPU power made brute-force-attacks easier, but adding a salt to the pass-phrases did counter that, with little resource cost. But sure... Any 2020 crypto project that does not change anything about their codebase for 100 years will likely be dead. Just that it is more likely to die from lack of development than from QC attacks.

Future_Dimension_985

Ivan went from being a tech focused channel to trading and investing focused, I think the early "2017-era" fans were not happy with that change and are still crying about it EIGHT YEARS LATER Ivan has said that being too tech focused back in the day got him REKT and he learned the importance of TA haha but the funny thing is that this switch from Tech to Investing/Making Money content happened over 5 years ago!!! People still mad at him And i can partially understand the "disappointment" the OP feels at the same time Ivan made me more money than any other youtuber. And I had to learn ZERO tech for it lmao (and just like previous commenters said, Ivan saved my portfolio my yelling to SELL IN OCTOBER LAST YEAR) I would rather have Ivan yelling "SELL" at the top than him doing tech review of ETHEREUM OR IOTA for the 20th time eheh TELL ME WHERE I AM WRONG

verysillyman

I’ve learned this cycle that you HAVE to use charting on every single coin you own. Mark out key supports, and if it starts breaking below, GET OUT. No matter your belief or thesis, it has now been invalidated until the chart shows positive momentum. These coins will go to literal ZERO as we’re currently seeing

No_Film8853

Will love and celebrate the day when Binance holdings go to ZERO bitcoin. Derivatives can dry up and go away and bitcoin can go back to something more like it was supposed to be and not some bastardized financialized entity that all the greedy leveraged gambling degenerates (both longs AND shorts) have turned it into and Binance Futures is far and away the worst by an order of magnitude !!!

NachoEditor

I would do it only if there is ZERO chances of you needing this money within next 5 years.

caploves1019

This is the answer I was looking for after wading through a bunch of nonsense to get here. Yes. The only thing that breaks my Bitcoin thesis is the end of government currency manipulation. The end of fraud and wasteful spending. Full transparency. Proper taxation with proper representation. So basically, pigs flying and hell freezing over since, historically, ZERO elected entities or powerful leaders have ever (on a long enough time horizon) have ethically chosen not to take advantage of those that gave it authority. Government bloat is so unbelievably vast, but if it somehow fixed itself tomorrow, and permanently (no risk of going back to its manipulating scammy ways).Bitcoin would no longer be necessary. It was created BECAUSE of moneyprintergobrr. So.... It dies if moneyprinterNOgobrrEVERagain. Until that happens, it's invincible and everyone discussing price action or Satoshi coins or all the other fantastical nonsense is simply a distraction from the inevitable triumphant outcome 😎👍

Sin-City-Sinner

I don’t think children should be investing ESPECIALLY if they don’t use a clue what they are doing, even if the do they are notorious for bad choices like “dropping every last penny”, and tbh, as a parent.. my kids better start buying groceries to help out their free ride they get for 20 years or so, and if after that, they want to learn, ok cool! I also feel kids are too impressionable to do something that can be exactly like gambling, they lack life experience and let’s be real, how many people under 21-25yo actually understand money, have had to pay for every single thing in their own lives… THEY HAVE ZERO CLUE ABOUT THE VALUE OF A DOLLAR!!

Lighting_TT

Teams keep building, because they have money from VC. For them, current state of the market doesn't matter. It will matter later when bull cycle starts again and Investors will want to offload their tokens. As for what they are building, usually its the main narrative of the cycle. Main narrative of the cycle was obviously AI. So AI agents, AI ecosystems like BitTensor, GPU rendering platforms and so on. For price action, it's not even about going lower. Like you pointed out, people are still emotional. When I look at xrp sub(which is hilarious to read btw), most of them are still conviced we are back. They are catching falling knives and convice everyone else to "hold long term". This is a textbook example of denial. I heard some folks talking about super low RSI. Yeah, it is low, but even historicly, RSI can be super low for months, it doesnt mean anything right now. SMA200 crossed and failed to defend itself. Alts bleeding for months. Subscriptions and views of crypto channels is declining. ZERO interest. You can make all TA in the world, but when retail capital is not here, who will buy all these alts? We are heading into bear market, and people who didnt experience one, will get rekt.

Beast_Ai_Art

What if it hits ZERO

Professional-Donut84

Huh? Nooooo, its going to ZERO. XD

Ztoxed

**ZERO**

Staxu9900

Nice whole ZERO at the moment, managed to sale at 120k, now just waiting for blood from the streets to wash out a bit more, and buying back, most likely around 55k.

TheMoejahi3d

It's almost playing out to a T compared to previous cycles? How is that different? It's just Hopeium. It's the same with the guys who say we didnt have a "blow out top" yes we did. Tops cant go on a Linear X every cycle. The marketcap increase is Humangous everytime. The Top increase will get smaller and smaller. The people who say don't trust the cycle, are the same people who probably hodld during all previous Bear markets as well and didnt earn money. The people who say it's different now, are the same people probably who said "we will nevver see sub 100k again!!11". Is the Cycle guaranteed ? No, offcourse not. But why bet against it? If you are in this to earn money. People who use the cycle got in anywhere between 16k and 30k. People who are smart but dont care about cycles, got in anywhere between 30k-50k. The rest? ARe just followers, trading based on Hopium. We reached 126k. Trust the cycle. We didnt hold it. Check the indicators..should have gotten out anywhwere between 120k-100k for mad profit. And now? Watch the cycle again. a Bear market has never lasted only 3 months guys. IF it does this time, No biggie, then we buy in anywhere during the upside and sell again as close as possible during the Top and wait again for the next break down. There no ZERO reason, to trade against the cycle.

AdWitty4949

Yeah and the democrats would have been so much better for crypto huh? Elizabeth Warren would have had it banned your bags would be worth zero if they stayed in power. Democrats are blocking the clarify act just so Trump can’t make money on it. They care zero about you or the American people, ZERO. Blake Trump for everything it’s classic. Ya’ll got three more years enjoy

IvarThePhoneLess351

Some old billionaire: "ZERO. ZERO. ZERO."

caploves1019

Any markets that use Square can accept real Bitcoin as Bitcoin and self custody with ZERO FEE for this transaction.

St0uty

Correct, I use nano (which settles in 350ms for ZERO fee)

drei_glaser94

Hey no one will judge you for making doing what’s best for you, as long as you’re not in here saying “ITS GOING TO ZERO!”

Holiday-Syrup6672

Your 2 tweets away from having nothing. The floor is ZERO

Pretenderinchief

I mean not this is worrying for BTC holders but damn, I’ve never seen a drop like this without a black swan event with ZERO bounce. I’m kinda in awe

Mobile-Passenger3214

Its over sell everything before it goes to ZERO and enjoy the 7 minutes that this post will last before the mods delete it lol

hereforadvice87

What this individual did was reckless. He took out a loan that he will pay interest on. The point of taking on leverage is for your cash flows from that loan to pay your loan. Not buy an asset that has ZERO yield and the only way this individual makes any sort of return is if bitcoin goes higher. Just reckless.

quoing

It is over, going to ZERO. 🤪

Internet_is_tough

Institutions sell - The most relevant institutions are bitcoin treasuries. There has been only one sale of BTC from 200 crypto treasuries in 2025. MSTR is a ticking time bomb - MSTR is 10% levered into their BTC purchases with convertible dept and payable dividends. They already have enough cash to cover the dividends for 2 years, the convertible dept needs to be serviced in tranches starting at 2028, and they can easily roll it over. MSTR will not sell a single bitcoin unless BTC price goes below 25k and stays there for a decade ETF inflows do not go up - IBIT was the most successful ETF launch in history. In the history of the world. 1.5 years after all big financial institutions have launched or are launching multiple BTC related ETFs (income, leverage, non leverage, crypto industry etc). Sounds like a failure right? Treasuries dumping - The treasury business model has no dumping as part of the strategy - MSTR has survived the crypto winter, prices well below their average buy price, BTC sold? ZERO. Treasuries are lean companies, BMNR is run by 10 people. They don't need cash. They have no reason to dump besides buying their own shares if MNAV is way below 1. Leverage is insane. 10/10 event was the single biggest liquidation event in history. All the leverage has been wiped from the system. The only leverage actually left is short. QE - irrelevant speculative. So yes wrong on 6/6 points.

Astropin

This is entirely incorrect. Governments getting involved with Bitcoin....And institutions getting involved with Bitcoin...HAVE ZERO CENTRALIZING EFFECT ON BITCOIN. Doesn't matter how much Bitcoin you own...it gives you zero power over the protocol. That's the beautiful thing about Bitcoin. It can never be controlled by any one entity.

TendiesHands

We're going to 0. ZERO!!!

Ok-System-1007

Believe me yet or you still stuck on planet ZERO?

Personal-Ebb-4717

ZERO chance of profit. You are competing against people with a full warehouse of specialized mining rigs. And you just have an old PC. Plus, is it worth the risk of losing your job?? even if the chances of getting caught are small.

Boniouk84

Ok here is a break down. 1) BTC is digital and digital has taken market share from analogue in every market place and financial will be no different. 2) BTC is about $1.5tn mcap. Gold is about $25tn. BTC will close that gap and eventually equal it in the next 10-15 years. 3) you have the same concern that i read 20 times when btc went from $10k to $3k in 2021, before ripping to $60k. 4) most Asset classes are $100tn minimum. Crypto is under $3tn. Super early. 5) looking at other predictions, scientists think we will be mining an asteroid with astronomical amounts of gold on it before quantum mechanics has an affect on crypto. 6) your feelings have ZERO correlation to markets.

dca-bot

Sometimes i watch those "street interviews" about Bitcoin. They always blow my mind how far away the average person on the street is from bitcoin. They have literally ZERO idea about it....

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ThereIsNoGovernance

Yawn... Quantum Computers are not ANY THREAT TO CRYPTO. They are a measure of how much legacy finance fears Crypto. QC is an ABSOLUTE pipe dream and you are GULLIBLE AF if you think they are a threat. QC cannot reliably factor a number greater than 15 and it doesn't even do that very well. They are, in effect, glorified random number generators that have ZERO future in computing. Already an utter failure continuously making flip promises that will NEVER be realized. Any number of Quantum physicists will assert the verity of what I state and have already hinted at how futile this pursuit is, but that won't stop Google/IBM/China etc. from continuing to use QC as a means of spreading FUD about crypto and the reliability of cryptography in general. As long as there are researchers willing to prostitute themselves in this field for grant money this farce will continue, unfortunately. If you are wise you will just ignore QC. It will eventually just fade away like a nasty fart on the wind.

Few-Engineering9803

You literally have ZERO subs. You'll get nowhere with this lazy copy paste crap already done a million times by other random Indian scammers. Fishing for views on Reddit is the very definition of low effort, admitting it is even worse.

redspikedog

That "it's going down to ZERO! Room! Like that"

balls2hairy

My businesses have all been relatively successful. One fizzled out because I got busy with school and handed it off to friends. The other I ran for 9 years before the industry got regulated out of existence. Again, you have ZERO idea of what you're talking about. It's obvious you've never started a business. It honestly sounds like you're a child and don't know how personal finances work when you're supporting yourself.

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Academic_Attorney996

EVERYTHING is going to ZERO against Bitcoin. Let's that sink in.

never_safe_for_life

Pepperidge Farm remembers when he claimed he was heading to Washington to work with the new administration, then jack-shit ZERO came out of it. I might have even proclaimed I'd eat my left nut if anything came out of it months ahead of time. Because Charles is a con man and a liar. What's funny is the ADA fanboys sucking up every drop of shit that comes out of his mouth.

Aggressive-Ship2270

I buy every Wednesday night through CashApp. If you set up direct deposit with them you can put a % of your check for ZERO FEE’s!!! This is how I DCA. I will buy BTC through an exchange if there are there are big dips. Other than that, I don’t worry about the price. Just keep stacking😎

Daddyofseven

You know it's the end when the people were trying to rid from the financial markets embrace you. Crazy how our government continues to steal, sorry, i think they said "seize" Venezuela btc. We just stole 600k bitcoin from the people of Venezuela. That should be returned to all of the Venezuelans who have been screwed for 20 years. Super simple, anyone who hasn't worked or benefited from those commie fuqs should be given an equal portion. Give ZERO to the government (they can beg other governments) send ALL (every fuggin sat we stole) to the citizens who worked and were robbed by their government. That country would be back running in a month.

NoiseAgile1322

bro that bus had ZERO chance of stopping that train xD

ankokudaishogun

> I still think x% rewards via credit cards would outweigh this argument for most people. Again your bias is showing :) We don't really have them, especially because BY LARGE here we use Debit Cards, not Credit Cards. They never took off because the high base-cose for buyers: people had no reason whatsoever to pay a (perceived)substantial fee for *POTENTIALLY* get it back *IF* you spend enough. Do note being in debt(and using a credit card is getting yourself in debt) is vastly seen as a Not-Good thing. Generally speaking, credit cards in Europe always been a thing for rich people and larger businesses. Even *DEBIT* cards weren't really a thing until Internet made paying with them a necessity. And even *then* it was Pre-paid Debit Card first because people were(rightfully) wary of scams(the Italian Post Office made *mad money* by offering their own, unlinked to any bank account) By the time Credit Cards Cashbacks could have been a thing in EU, the sector was already regulated tightly to keep banks and merchants from being assholes so there is now *no margin* for them to offer all the cashback services they offer in US... and nobody cares because cards are perceived as a abstraction tool for paying with your money so less costs are involved better is for everybody. Therefore as long as the Consumer has no *hassle* in using D€ instead of another circuit, there is no reson for them to not use it. Actually, there is another reason, possibly the biggest, from the consumer side: ZERO COST WITHDRAWAL from *any* ATM in the whole Eurozone. Because withdrawing from ATMs not from your bank can have a variable cost *ESPECIALLY* outside your country(as you'll be forced to use the visa\mastercard circuit). Sure, it's usually a relatively small cost when it's applied(at least inside the same country) but not having to worry about it anymore at the one-time "cost" of setting up the D€ account? YOU BETCHA tons of people will do it.

biba8163

> Such a dumb comment that will age like milk...remind me how stupid you are in 3 years Let me remind you that 8 years ago in December 2017, dummies bought the Ripple Scam Narrative, and were dumb enough to believe banks all over the world would soon be using and buying up XRP which would drive XRP to $10 in 2018. XRP is lower today than it was in December 2017...8 fucking years ago. > **$10 xrp is quantifiable based on tangible assumptions** without speculation given the 5 tr dollars of x-border settlements, the 27 tr dollars locked up in nostro accounts alone. It also enables 95% of the 11000 banks on the SWIFT network to transfer peer to peer instead of proxying cross border through the mega-banks. > XRP can do a lot of good...! Fiat is debt based... mainly issued to governments and we all pay the interest. We are paying bong debt via put taxes for $27 trillion which is locked up... without getting benefit... xrp can release some of that... and that's a good thing... surely **(December 2017, XRP $2.30)** https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/20171231/ https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7mzcld/reminder_ripple_xrp_is_centralized_and_they_can/dry2rn8/ > so much Ripple FUD. so many are mad cause they called ripple centralized yet ripple keeps signing on banks after banks. **Ripple will hit $10 2018 and we will still hear "but XRP is useless" "ripple is a bank coin".** **(December 2017, XRP $2.30)** https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7mxbiq/warning_you_dont_own_anything_of_actual_value/drxlwr2/ January 2018, almost ~8 years ago, this guy realized that XRP was a scam and sold all of this shitcoin. XRP was $3.20 then and it's $1.85 today. https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/20180104/ https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7o6u64/sold_my_all_ripple_after_reading_this_just/ ZERO demand. Zero Usage. 100% Token Dump Scam. This is why this shitcoin is below 2017 prices. **1.8 Million XRP burned per year!** | Market Conditions | Daily Burn Range (XRP) | Annual Burn Estimate (XRP) |-------------|------------------------|-----------------------------|--------| | Typical / Avg Year | ~5,000 XRP/day | ~1,800,000 XRP/yr | Mid-Usage Recent Year | 3,000–4,000 XRP/day | ~1,100,000 – 1,500,000 XRP/yr | Low-Activity | 400–750 XRP/day | ~146,000 – 274,000 XRP/yr | Very Low Activity | ~700 XRP/day | ~255,000 XRP/yr **2.4 BILLION XRP dumped per year!** | Year | Total Escrow Released | Approx. XRP Sold/Distributed |------|------------------------|-------------------------------|-------------| | 2018 | ~12,000,000,000 XRP | ~2,400,000,000 XRP | 2019 | ~12,000,000,000 XRP | ~2,400,000,000 XRP | 2020 | ~12,000,000,000 XRP | ~2,400,000,000 XRP | 2021 | ~12,000,000,000 XRP | ~2,400,000,000 XRP | 2022 | ~12,000,000,000 XRP | ~2,400,000,000 XRP | 2023 | ~12,000,000,000 XRP | ~2,400,000,000 XRP | 2024 | ~12,000,000,000 XRP | ~2,400,000,000 XRP | 2025 | ~12,000,000,000 XRP | ~2,400,000,000 XRP

Few-Engineering9803

The people doing leverage is the exact reason why we are hovering in this range to begin with. Hint: It's Wintermute and Binance doing their thing again. ZERO regulation on wash trading etc.

SpontaneousDream

Better entries!? Bro, these coins are all going to ZERO. Sell everything NOW for BTC.

RunningThroughSC

In my family, we all draw names for who buy a gift for so you only buy/get one gift. We set a soft $100 limit on the gift. Most of the gifts given are probably in the $50-$75 price range. Anyway, the cousin that drew my name (Her name is Shannon...yeah I'll call her out) gave me a pair of "gag" socks with poop emojis on them and an Amazon gift card. We all laughed, and the other cousins continued opening their gifts. Fast forward to this past Saturday. I needed some filament for my 3D printers. I thought that this would be the perfect opportunity to use that gift card that Shannon gave me. So, I went to Amazon, added the filament to my card, and proceeded to the checkout. I went to add the card to the payment screen, and it had a ZERO balance. Needless to say, I was not happy. I sent Shannon a text in hopes that it was a mistake. She just texted back a laughing emoji and said that she had forgotten to buy anything, so she just gave me a card she found in her wallet...

goldenbuyer02

Their usefulness may drop sharply? It's ZERO dude, an emerald has no usefulness in my home if I cant sell it. Maybe I can use it to crack nuts if I can't find a hammer handy. For Microsoft and Google, do you read what you write? Do you say that they have value because they have offices and buildings? What do you write? 4.5 trillion companies with their value being entirely in the software they sell and you write that their buildings have value that if they were sold they would be worth a few billion? What would Google and Microsoft do if there was no internet tomorrow. Explain to me how exactly these companies would continue to be worth 4.5 trillion. Would they sell used offices in furniture and house ads? Besides, this argument with equipment is the most childish leap of logic I have seen and the bitcoin miner/bitcoin owner can claim the same, who also has equipment if bitcoin ceases to exist. And?

OhWiseWizard

This, between CRE and zks Midnight literally can not even compete in the market, it simply doesn't have the tech stack to be useful, and having ZERO current adoption and ZERO current security track record in an industry known for (1) being insanely difficult to get builders & users for and (2) requiring the HIGHEST level of security, does not bode well. Cardano died a horrible death due to Charles not understanding the blockchain industry and shitting on Chainlink for years only to come back around and say "Cardano will die without Chainlink". Let's see if the lesson gets learned with Midnight, but currently zero Chainlink integrations. Midnight is so far just another basic L1 launched by people who are either completely out of the loop in terms of what's needed to compete in this day and age, or, more likely, people who are completely disingenuous scammers who do not give a fuck about anything except using it to enrich themselves further.

OhWiseWizard

There is quite literally nothing Midnight does that isn't already done across every actually used blockchain with zks (which is all Midnight does) and CRE's confidential compute which utilizes TEEs and is actually a better privacy solution for institutions than Midnight could ever be since it can handle identity/KYC/AML. On top of that, Midnight has ZERO proven security track record and may very well experience a number of critical failures before it ever gets off the ground, which it won't because there's zero reason for adoption. It is NOT a "coincidence" Charles Hoskinson launches yet another ensuing ghost chain. This is by design. The main purpose of Midnight is to extract capital from the market into his pockets. Crypto is rife with scammers and this guy is frankly one of the more committed ones. Please be careful with your money.

rl_rae_bobo

Even if it was from $0,001 bro shows he will still have ZERO BTC! 🤷‍♂️

rl_rae_bobo

Like you're the one who introduced her to Bitcoin and you actually hedl ZERO BTC ?

najanator23

How many TPS can Gold do? Answer: ZERO

VitaminDandK12

*"BITCOIN IS GOING TO ZERO!!! YOU HEARD ME!!! ZERO!!! BECAUSE I KNOW GUY! IT ISN'T SOME JAPANESE IN A CAVE" - Dan Peña*

__Ken_Adams__

Are you implying that if bitcoin doesn't maintain a higher appreciation rate than index funds that it ZERO appeal? What about self sovereignty, self custody, privacy, etc?

Saylor_Moonboi

The ENTIRE value proposition of XRP is that banks will eventually use it to do financial transfers, so if absolutely ZERO banks actually use this thing, 10 years in, that is a pretty good sign that either they don't want to, or there is some other problem we just don't know about. The whole point of this post is to question the investment case of the XRP token, and speculating on the lack of any use in the legacy financial system is front and center to any discussion of investment value, since that is the proposed use case, and its just not actually happening !

Pinewatch762

Get a ledger or trezor. Tangem gives you ZERO device transaction verifications. It’s heavily reliant on the Tangem app. With trezor or ledger i can connect to any wallet interface to interact with it.

MatixMint

They can’t spend it because the private key is underneath a security hologram sticker that destroys itself when you peel it to redeem it. Absolutely shred itself. There is ZERO chance of getting it off without destroying the sticker. So if they redeem it, and then send a picture of a peeled, destroyed, redeemed hologram…. Then no, I’m not liable because they obviously redeemed it. This is what I’m talking about. You’re hating on something you have no knowledge of and don’t understand while making huge, incorrect assumptions. But, again, it’s not for everybody.

FrankSlipHelp

My dude, you really are the one who doesn’t understand, you very obviously can not parse the difference between the word is, and the word can. Just because the Chainlink’s oracle is not currently integrated with the XRPL……..DOES NOT MEAN that Chainlink’s oracle can not be integrated with the XRPL. I have repeatedly stated that ‘any oracle can be used on the XRPL because the XRPL allows any oracle to be used’, this is 100% factual. But you being quite the low hanging fruit keep thinking that because Chainlink’s oracle is not currently integrated that means that it can’t, of course it can, any oracle can be integrated into the XRPL as I have stated a dozen times to you Mr. Dense AF. You keep going on about 3rd party data yada yada yada, and it haze ZERO to do with the statement you are ignorantly arguing against. Any oracle can be used on the XRPL because the XRPL allows any oracle to be used. Piss off

No_Pomegranate_3633

The best advice I've personally ever had about Bitcoin is that you should consider it an investment that you buy in over time and cash it out at some time later when you actually need it. It's a savings account that \*CAN\* multiply your money.... same time it could also lose you some (or all) of it. Someone earlier mentioned buying on Strike. Highly recommend. I myself started with crypto about 2 months ago, a friend of mine paid me for something in Bitcoin and I got curious and one thing led to another. Buying on Cashapp or PayPal is huge fees. They can get away with charging the big fees because you trust the big names. Strike on the other hand has the lowest fees of any app i've tried (I'm unemployed and have a lot of time on my hands, I've tried a lot) You can purchase Bitcoin at any time for low fees OR you can actually set up a recurring buy with ZERO fees every week through Strike. From there you can send it to your Cashapp to let it sit there if that's what you would like, send it through lightning and that's almost free, or just leave it in Strike. If you use my invite link you actually will receive 0 trading fees on your next $500 worth of trades and so do I. I don't really buy Bitcoin directly myself so, use it if you'd like or don't, it'll save you some money on direct purchases though. I can DM that to you if you'd like, let me know. One last thing, don't panic sell because Bitcoin is down a few points. It goes up and it goes down. That's the name of the game.

StringNo6144

"girlfriends" should have ZERO say when it comes to your finances. Wife yes, girlfriend no.

JustStopppingBye

Congrats to the xrp buyers who paid for this acquisitios, which has ZERO benefit to the xrp meme token holders. Thanks for playing

chesbenLP

ZERO!

optimaleverage

Even then it wouldn't go to ZERO. Maybe $50 but not zero.

Wanderson90

he was screaming ZERO for each zero that would be added to the end of bitcoins price.

SaltAttic

If people found out it was the CIA who created it, would it actually go to "ZERO!", or no?

ConfectionForward

So knowing who built a functional thing that solves problems makes it's value go to ZERO???? Who know who invented the motor, that isn't ZERO, We know the many people responsible for inventing the light bulb, pretty sure that isn't ZERO, We know who invented the cute to polio, that isn't worth ZERO We know who invented lots of things, but it doesn't take the value of thoes things away.

mcbrite

DUDE it's a fucking meme... Was from the first day, YEARS ago... Will you be able to get over it? Or are you forced to invest akin to fav meme right now? Fin literacy in crypto space is legit ZERO.

mcbrite

You mean 99.9999%, AT LEAST? ZERO SHOT WOULD 99% TRACK.

R4ID

> With a company that just mints coins for their bags whenever they want? https://github.com/XRPLF/rippled/commit/f0e3383856a8923e55b0f10e7822de9031b7159e Here is the code that created the 100 Billion XNS (later renamed XRP) You'll see its dated june 2nd 2012. There have been a grand total of ZERO additional XRP ever created since this date. Ripple Doesnt Mint, create, spawn, mine Any New XRP. They locked up their own funds and what is being unlocked back to themselves is the same funds. You couldnt be more Incorrect in your understanding of BASIC entry level concepts like this.

DirtyThotsDotCom

It's nothing like gambling. People are idiots. The finance world is also filled with idiots. Crypto is pretty predictable. The only way you'll lose money is by pulling money out when you get scared that you're losing it or by buying coins/tokens on a DEX. Buy from a reputable exchange like Coinbase. Don't buy when anything is peaking. Don't buy the trending coins. Whatever is peaking is a bout to fall. If it's 140% 24hr change, in 24hrs it will be -50%. WATCH those gainers for a week. Just watch them. They'll fall, but then they'll come back up higher. People get scared when the price "moves" against them. But if you just wait it out, you'll be fine. If you buy at the peak, you'll watch the value of your investment shrink rapidly before making money on it. People are so stupid, I cannot begin to tell you. You can't buy ANY investment, stocks, bonds, silver, gold, crypto, or whatever, at any random time. You have to plan your entry and exit. Again, people lose money because their stupid, lazy, or greedy. Usually all three. Don't pay attention to financial news. They have absolutely ZERO insight on both the financial world and crypto. They're just as stupid. There is also tons of money to be made on anything when the price is falling. You can make money on stocks and crypto whether the price is moving up or down. I'll say that again: You can make money on stocks and crypto whether the price is moving up or down. Directionality doesn't matter, at all. Only movement does. You can't make money on anything if the price is always the same. Short stocks and crypto when they are top gainers, and long positions on stocks and crypto that are usually at the top, but have fallen into the red. Easy money. DON'T muddy the waters with anything "financial". If anything, study fractals, calculus, geometry and trig.

Impressive-Can-6602

I never said anything of the sort. With banks there are ZERO fees. With Bitcoin there are fees (and its slow.  And it isn't guaranteed in fraud) Taxi for Bitcoin please it is as much use as a chocolate fireguard

Impressive-Can-6602

Doesn't matter how cheap it is - with a bank it is ZERO

Ammarkoo

If you are in crypto because you believe in these "projects" and the future of the crypto then you are in for the wrong reasons. Personally I am in crypto because I know crypto/BTC was created, backed and strictly manipulated by the same people who created and contro our current and future financial systems. Crypto has 3 main tasks. 1- None of the coins you see today will exist in 10 years from now. Today's crypto market is the Trojan horse for the future's 100% blockchain digital financial system ( everything will be tokened even you). 2- Today's crypto market will be the main US debt (T. Bonds) dumping ground via the stable coins. 3 - crypto will work as a black hole for liquidity once the FED lower it's interest rate to almost zero after a black swan event / stock market crash. Crypto will suck most liquidity during the final aggressive USD print. Bitcoin will go to 500k-1 million in the coming few years before going to ZERO it is inevitable and planned. USD T.bonds market collapse ------> stable coins collapse ------> BTC collapse. Only a naive would believe the official BTC story.

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Kontrav3rsi

When I can retire off crypto I’m going to go work at a movie theater or some other job that I have ZERO responsibilities and work part time. I’m out of work now so I’d really like it to hit soon hahah

abking84

Bankruptcy fraud has a five year statute of limitations, but tax fraud has ZERO statute of limitations - whether criminal or civil. Depending on the amount of tax, either guys with guns show up, or you get a 75% fraud penalty that can never be discharged in bankruptcy. Source: I'm a former IRS Revenue Agent and Fraud Technical Advisor.)

Icy-Cellist-1593

ZERO

Amber_Sam

>Tell me…who is the “centralized” entity holding the collateral **Conbase holds the real bitcoin BTC** - they are central authority and can decide in the future to **NEVER GIVE THE BITCOIN BACK TO YOU.** Read the last sentence again, please. #Conbase is holding all the BTC and might, might not, give it back to you. **There's ZERO BTC on the Morpho protocol.** Only a shitcoin, created by a central authority. Conbase issues and sends a wrapped shitcoin - cbBTC to this morpho protocol running smart contracts. Now go ahead and download my comment because you feel insecure, lol.

Chicken-Shrimpies

Dilution of shares is normal practise though when a company is expanding and has conviction right? Seems kind of subjective matter really, only a bad thing if allocation of money is spent poorly. So it’s either you believe in bitcoin continuing to rise and it’s a good thing or you think bitcoin is made of hot air and yes everyone got swindled. EPS has increased and also as mentioned above (or below 🤷‍♂️) money has been set aside for 23months of payments to shareholders both preferred and common. I have ZERO skin in this game so it really doesn’t affect me but seems to be a hot topic at the moment. I take it you lean more that this is a capital raising circle jerk and will plummet when the balloon pops and everyone’s hanging out at the back of a Wendy’s?

beachandbyte

A poorly leveraged BTC ETF is all I really see. It trading above NAV is an anomaly. Not that it can't continue to trade above NAV but usually you would find things trading above NAV where the actual strategy had some level of difficulty in implementation or just getting the equity or assets as a retail trader is difficult or impossible. If the market decides not to pay a premium at some point (which is the reasonable position), it's only real value is whatever BTC it has. Your basically paying a premium per $ of BTC, and for your generosity get a TON of counter party risk. I don't understand the bet at all, as what advantage does he have by being a "bigger player", if anything he is now more vulnerable, and can't move or protect positions with any real level of agility. Any move he takes to protect his position will likely further hurt his position, as it makes the news etc. As a small player you can take on actual leverage, exit and enter positions with ease with no effect on the market. If bitcoin makes some massive move in overnight, you can just stop our or exit a position. It would take bitcoin going to ZERO for you to lose all your money. Basically I can't think of ANY reason someone would choose to buy some MSTR vs just buying some bitcoin.

seambizzle1

Microstrategy had no intention to sell Where are you getting this from? And it’s not Saylors choice as to weather or not his company sells. It’s a publicly traded company, that would take a vote. But again, they have ZERO intention on selling. If you listen to Saylor speak you would know this. We are at a pint now where banks will give u loans against bitcoin. If microstrategy needs cash, they can create more company shares and sell them for cash. They will never sell their bitcoin

Elean0rZ

No doubt BTC is risky and speculative, and its price is substantially inflated by that. I'm certainly not going to argue it's definitely a good investment. At the same time it's odd to say it has ZERO utility and ZERO intrinsic value. Or perhaps that misses the point, because it puts the focus on intrinsic value as if that's the threshold for being valuable at all. What is intrinsic value? Does gold have intrinsic value? Does fiat currency? The value of any financial entity ultimately lies in the degree to which we're confident it will do what it says it will. For real-world economies and currencies, that relates to the underlying regulatory/political/military structures that back and secure them. Remove those, and the pieces of paper are worth essentially nothing. For gold it relates first to its shininess, later and more significantly to its scarcity, and much more recently to certain practical use-cases in tech, dentistry, etc. Discover the motherlode, mine an asteroid, or develop a superior material for tech applications, and gold's value will plummet. In BTC's case, it's the most reliable *decentralized* means we currently have to *securely* and *trustlessly* send *provably scarce* units of digital value around the planet from user to user, and that's thanks to the very real network infrastructure that secures its ledger. To put it another way, we can be highly confident--relatively more confident than with other similar decentralized trustless networks--that when we send units of digital value around on the BTC network, they will go where they were directed and be there when we come back for them later. Whether that's worth $100K/BTC is very much open to debate, but it's not worth nothing. It's used and provides non-zero utility, and therefore non-zero value, to its users every day. BTC is backed by something real--its physical network and its ledger--and it provides something real--its reliable, actually-used function as a means of moving digital value around. In that sense you can argue it has intrinsic value as much as you can argue the same for e.g. fiat. But more generally, intrinsic value simply isn't the only kind of value that's, well, valuable. BTC doesn't need other features to be useful. You don't need to be able to eat it or make jewelry with it. It's a digital asset, reliably proving digital scarcity, and securely moving units of digital value across borders. That's it, and you can argue it isn't "enough", but it's definitely something.

jordygrant1

incorrect. If it hits 60K they have ZERO, becuase liquidation they arent beeting 30MIL, theyre betting the entire 90MIL if BTC goes to 60K.

StillPugginAround

“Glum”, please re-post this in a year when Bitcoin is hovering around $10k. You’ve been warned…. Bitcoin has ZERO intrinsic value. And since your post was a word salad of partial financial terms, please look up the definition of “intrinsic value”. 👌

JamestotheJam

My point is, if something was all THAT great, it wouldn't take MORE THAN A DECADE to notice! And ZERO banks have adopted XRP to date. ZERO. Let that settle in.

Immediate-Cow-6183

Because bitcoin is inherently worthless it will in the next 3 to 5 years crash to ZERO. Get out while you can my brothers!!

rocket_beer

Nope Fiat was used here. They hold zero custody of any btc. ZERO Learn about what an ETF bro

rocket_beer

Nope Fiat was used here. They hold zero custody of any btc. **ZERO** Learn about what an ETF bro