ZERO

Captain_Lou_Albano

The practical problem with your thesis that BTC is "the future of money after all" is that there are precisely ZERO people world-wide who actually use BTC like they do currency or even credit cards.

Zebcat5767

What are people’s thoughts about the NGRAVE ZERO? Same shit? Just curious what you all think

True-Performance-351

Been there done that. Best idea I ever had. When you understand the concept of EVERYTHING goes to ZERO against bitcoin. You realize your house is no exception to that rule. We can make an endless amount of houses if we threw enough money and people at the problem. There will only ever be 21 million Bitcoin.

Aanetz

Dan Pena "Bitf\*ck is going to ZERO! ZERO!!!"

utsenmo

I’m unclear what you mean “do that”? I’m saying there is no recourse in “recovery”. Only compensation to some extend since there is ZERO government backing and blockchain is immutable. - read: I agree with you there. However If the banks (I assume they are regulated) provide custody (in regulated capacity) and the VA in custody got stolen, then it depends if they can attribute the loss to custodial bank’s own inadequate infrastructure or bad security or lack of prudent risk management framework or simply internal fraud or deficiency in prevention, or breach of fiduciary duties etc( since the context of the discussion is that “not your key not your coin” and I assumed burden rests with the FI), it’s likely then bank’s own commercial crime insurance will be used first, but that usually only carries some aggregate amount limit and can not reimburse all (assuming heist is big amount) so yeah that is a read gap risk. If we are talking non regulated venue then I 100% agree there is nothing you can do.

balls2hairy

Fiat is backed by the GOVERNMENT'S CREDIT - THEIR CREDIBILITY IN BEING ABLE TO REPAY THEIR DEBTS. Jesus christ you dense motherfuckers have ZERO understanding of what you're commenting on.

Astropin

Hmm...I started buying in 2017 and I've never sold. When I bought some at $102k and it dropped to $58k guess how much I lost? ZERO.... because I didn't sell..."on paper" losses and gains aren't real losses and gains.

DrWartenberg

Hahahaha. As soon as all the 21M BTC is concentrated to one person (whether acquired at 0.01c, 3c, $3, or $30k), its value will go to ZERO. One of the only things that differentiates BTC from any new crypto someone comes up with is that it’s been around so long that it’s the most distributed and least concentrated crypto… even with industrial ETFs coming on the screen. This means the least likelihood of someone being able to launch a 51% attack and rewrite the code to, say, remove the 21M cap and enable debasement. (Which, sorry to say for that person, will ALSO tank the value to zero because, again, it will kill one of the value props of BTC). In this way, BTC is self-protecting. Even if someone could get all of it, or even enough of it to change the code, the result for that “lucky person” will just be a permanent zero dollars per coin BTC price.

julius_sphincter

I suppose there were also the people that hoped to buy this and sell it to the die hards (aka the mental illness, low intelligence, con job marks) I mean I thought about it - I'd have lost ZERO sleep from taking money from those idiots. What held me back was a. knowing that even if I made money off his suckers, he'd still be making money off me and b. I figured it was a giant rug pull and there was a non-zero chance I'd miss time things and end up holding the bag. Because let's be honest, most of us here aren't the king of timing at the peak lol

itsmeamirax

They are about editorial coverage from specific media outlets, here's a list of what Wikipedia sees as 'reliable': [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable\_sources/Perennial\_sources](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources) if you notice - there are ZERO crypto media outlets in there. Qatar-funded Aljazeera however, is considered 'independent' and 'reliable' publication. See the irony there?

pako-bitbox

Super chill actually, last bull cycle felt like the end of the world, this one feels like "eeehhhh whatever", maybe it is because my saving are up anyways or because I simply got used to it, but there's not much of that "IT'S GOING TO ZERO" feeling going on, at least not for me.

No_Pen8240

I don't think Bitcoin will got to ZERO: People actually use it as a currency, therefore the value of bitcoin needs to remain high enough to handle the volume necessary to remain the medium of exchange. So it will atleast stay above $800 but likely can't go below $2,000 based on use as a currency. But seriously, beyond it's use as a currency. . . the rest is hype, speculation, smoke and mirrors. How high it will go is how much hype and speculation we can drive. . . of course this all lasts as long as the hype and speculation is able to last.

tedusam

ZERO benefits.

Human-Force708

Seedsigner. The only pure open source hardware wallet with ZERO proprietary code. Built totally with general purpose off the shelf hardware and firmware you install separately. Simple to use and good for single sig and multi sig set ups

Akanan

Some applications might use “the tech”. But there will be ZERO crypto left

No_Pen8240

Personally -- I am Pro-Cryptocurrency I am admittedly Anti-CryptoHype, Anti-CryptoSpeculation, and I believe Crypto-"Store of Value" is really just the greater fool theory. The good -- Crypto is still being used as a currency, this gives legit value. The bad -- Crypto has not grown as a currency in 5 years. The change in value is 100% speculation and hype. People like Michael Saylor have only made this 100x worse by starting crypto-treasury companies and crypto ETFs. -- There is ZERO long term value if everyone just holds bitcoin, if we want long term value, we need to use bitcoin as a currency. But I digress, too many people on here just want to get rich quick, and that boat has already sailed.

AdvantageIcy2527

not the point. the point was that if you hold btc in a non-hardware wallet, the hoops you have to go through at Coinbase are far worse than what you go through at your bank. i have ZERO problem accessing and using my money at the bank. I Coinbase, I had problems all the time.

Few-Engineering9803

From the letter: "And when the Financial Times asked you directly what would happen to equity holders if bitcoin fell hard and stayed down, you said: *“It wouldn’t be a good outcome for the equity holders.”* You said it without flinching. As if it were a weather report. As if ordinary people losing real money from real lives were simply an acceptable variable in your grand theorem." How on Earth is it his fault that you didn't understand this very simple fact and the risk involved? You bought a stock tied to a VERY volatile asset, how is this news to you? Sorry, but you get ZERO sympathy from me. This is just beyond pathetic. It's like me complaining about the Space X stock tanking down to pre IPO levels, when anyone in the world could see this potentially happening.

kw1232

2029 = ZERO

Prestigious-Buddy539

BIP110 dead chain incoming. These retards are going to fork themselves off into oblivion. ZERO pool support and zero large economic node support.

punishGoalhanging

From what I understand, Nexo make money by borrow and lending. Nexo borrow crypto from its users and pay them a yield. Let use 5% for example. Nexo then lend these same crypto to companies who want to borrow crypto and they pay Nexo 8% yield. That 3% edge is how Nexo earn money. However, there is ZERO regulation for safeguards until Mica

2_kewl_for_my_mule

The value to me is ZERO - thats not saying it has zero value. Plenty of criminals who want to use it as payments and plenty of muppets out there buying bitcoin hoping to make a quick buck. So there are definitely "usecases".

IShootWide

yeah, you keep thinking that skippy. I’m in stores almost every day of the week and do you know how many of them accept bitcoin? Fucking ZERO.

LearnBitcoinCom

Absolutely ZERO FUD, 100% facts.

Good_Application6420

going to ZERO

Scared-Permit2587

Technically it could go to ZERO

InsightKnite

Ah yes the captial gains taxes on the decentralized currency ... lol If you are holding BTC you have ZERO monetary value until it is converted to actual currency.

GreenMischief

Burn it down to ZERO!

No_Broccoli_4427

ur post makes ZERO sense retard, the cycle ATH hit exactly on the day people figured, OCT 6 25

Special-One1991

There's ZERO guarantee that bitcoin will reach 100k again, so please invest only what you can afford. The only known and proved fact of bitcoin is that NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THE FUCK THEY ARE DOING!

s1pu

and then sell when it hits ZERO

Quick-Scientist-3187

Look into River I set my auto buys weekly. ZERO fees after the first buy. I use Kraken Pro as well but only during massive drops.

Prnce_Chrmin

> Could 60k be the 20k of the last bear market (strong support)? Thats wishful thinking. Also the last floor was $16k or something? That makes literally ZERO sense the floor would be $60k now more like $30k if even that. There might be a lot more deep pockets / institutional investors / family offices now and just normal people who will buy up any Bitcoin they can get at certain prices... I mean the chance is high Bitcoin will see $128k again. So even buying at $60k can make sense, but of course buying at $50k, $40k is much better or even at $30k.

Purple_Reference_188

Because this digital shit has fundamental price ZERO. Number of coins is limited but number of degens willing to pay for useless digits is also limited. This game is over. Strategy will go bankrupt, all their coins will be sold at market, price will drop near to zero. After last nide will be turn off for unpaid electricity bill, the last hodler will commit suicide. Invest in real things. Harsh but true.

marvinrabbit

Hey, I've got ZERO experience with Fidelity. But I remember someone saying that Fidelity added support to transfer to external wallets. It depends on your account type (non-IRA, for example) and some verification stuff. But it may be worth some follow up if this could apply to you.

Pure-Fuel-9884

This is just an arbitrary line touching 3 fucking points. GTFO with your tea leaves, this has ZERO predictive power.

superKWB

Wow, amazing logic, they go from (talking about “the big boys”) getting no piece of the pie to selling you the pie and collecting a large fee in the process, with ZERO risk… yeah, they want it to go higher but if you think they are doing any lifting you’re in fantasy land. How do you think Blackrock got to where they?

Available_Win5204

AI data centers are 10000% more useful. I'm guessing 90% of posters in this sub use ai on a daily basis at work. The amount of people who use bitcoin rounds down to ZERO. Yet it is still churning away, wasting fuck tons of electricity for no use.

djscoox

What that graph says is ZERO UTILITY

Low_Badger_9430

Im stuck at 116k on btc. I went all in. I have ZERO to rotate

Ok_Ad_5894

It has ZERO UTILITY. Nothing until Uncle Donny is gone. He will go down as "the Crypto Killer"

Few-Role7256

Doctors are not **the smartest people alive**. And by that, I don't mean to shit on doctors, but they are just normal human beings who graduated Med school and save people for a living. Which is great, but that doesn't mean they are good with finances and too good for reddit. They do have flaws, fears, make mistakes and rash decisions. I have a masters in architecture, which is arguably one of the hardest university degrees out there, and it involves 6 years of literally no sleep and a lot of critical and creative thinking. Do you know how much I learned about investing and crypto in those 6 years? ZERO

xxALLARKxx

We made an entire marketplace with ZERO Fiat support. Where does Bitcoin fit in? it fits in to destroy this soul sucking and life destroying "machine" 

Ok_Ad_5894

Yes, when several hundred are made still each month with ZERO uses or real work applications its just rug pull after rug pull. They need to die out and need to have actual functionality. Thats why they are dead.

xxALLARKxx

Good question OP. We have a marktplace platform for people to buy and sell things for BTC. Adoption IS there but nowhere near mainstream. There is a lot more demand for mainstream card-checkout BUT....mainstream card-checkout comes with fraud that is ZERO with Bitcoin. 👍

jameslg305

YES Bitcoin long term is ZERO RISK

HorrorsPersistSoDoI

There's ZERO reason ever to have private messages enabled on Reddit

viper2097

The current system is better than the new one. I made that point in my OP so you don’t have to. The benefit is this. I get to index my post July 1 2027 gains off what ever the price is on July 1 2027 instead of ZERO. Would you not agree that indexing off $100,000 is more beneficial than indexing off zero?

Fearless-Sherbert-40

I love cashapp and I try to tell others about it constantly, and I always get resistance from people who say they have horrible spreads. I buy bitcoin in ver small amounts. I do keep the change, I do weekly $10 buys and I convert 1% of my paycheck into bitcoin all using cashapp. There may be a cheaper place to buy bitcoin, but there definitely is not an easier place to buy it then Cash App. They also allow you to transfer .001 or more to an external wallet with ZERO fees, they literally eat the on chain transaction fees for you to take the bitcoin off there network. If that doesn’t satisfy you, then nothing else will. Jack Dorsey needs more appreciation on the Bitcoin space. He’s the man we need not Michael saylor.

7ivor

No shit Sherlock, did you do ZERO due diligence? A simple Google search or review of this subreddit would have told you all this. A fool and his money are soon parted.

dbCoys

Tax laws made by people who have ZERO knowledge of economics. This will do way more harm than good to the long term future for the Dutch. Truly feel sorry for them. Such a beautiful country

Aggressive-Ship2270

100%! The best way to do this method is using Cashapp for direct deposit! ZERO FEE’s😎🤑

HSuke

I'm almost certain EIP-1559 will cause problems in the future. Are you familiar with how gas fees work on Avalanche C-Chain and Polygon PoS? They also use EIP-1559, but with higher gas limits higher, and there just wasn't enough demand for those limits. Mathematically, if there is even 1% less demand than the gas target per block over a single day, the gas price will decrease to ZERO (3.7 x 10^-32 actually). And that's what happened to C-Chain and Polygon PoS. Validators quit in mass. On Avalanche, devs implemented a 25 nAVAX minimum fee. On Polygon PoS, validators unanimously colluded to use a minimum priority fee. And that's on 2 networks where validators are already extremely centralized. If this happened on Ethereum, validation would become extremely centralized. Financial Sustainability and Yield Adequacy was the highest concern on the [Ethstaker Staking survey 2025](https://paragraph.com/@ethstaker/staking-survey-2025). > Stakers shared complaints about low income, especially compared to straightforward TradFi investments. Additional frustrations mentioned taxes, MEV favoring larger players, and the price of ETH.

Btcmot

Nice advertisement!! Even though i thought that wasn’t allowed. For the record, anyone who says BTC is going to ZERO is stuck in a time warp of another time past. Just my opinion

Veganarchyst

They are at work. At a job Tells you everything you need to know The odds they will be open to talking about Bitcoin is as close to ZERO as you can get They could e learned about it in 2009 or 10 or 17 or 21 or 25, but here we are in 2026 and people still aren't interested People get bit oin when they deserve it Which will mean 99% of people will wait until it's "acceptable" to think about Bitcoin and it will be $5 million a coin, and everyone will then complain it's "too expensive" and the world will be all surveillance coins all the time and they'll have no exit anymore It's human psychology And it's been proven over and over again for thousands of years

HSuke

I think you're misunderstanding. It was a ZERO-DAY exploit, meaning that all the cross-chain nodes that didn't upgrade were vulnerable. And once it's off-chain, those invalid Tx are reverted, allowing them to spend again. Once their funds are off-chain, that reversion doesn't affect those stolen assets.

Educational_Sir3783

My brother… you own ZERO bitcoin. Start stacking real bitcoin!

xxALLARKxx

Places like NOX-exchange about to skyrocket with their ZERO KYC policy. What an L from Russia

mrestiaux

Literally ZERO evidence to back up that claim. It comes directly from your hatred from Trump. There is more evidence to incriminate leftists of wrong doing on Epstein island than there is Donald Trump. Trump blew the whistle on all of the insanity going on over there... More dems mentioned in those files by a mile than there was Donald Trump. Even the FBI came out and stated that Trump aided in the investigation of Epstein. Come on man, put your hatred away and look at facts for once, don't be guided by your feelings. Funny how instead of putting together a thoughtful response about how woke is destroying cultures and hard work done by activist groups, you go straight to accusing Trump of running a distraction campaign. You're obsessed with slandering the guy and it's getting really old, and frankly, sad. Good thing feelings don't run the world, facts do. You're all just mad that how you feel about Trump isn't coming out as truth. I truly hope you can put your hatred aside and live a happy life.

The_OneWho_Got_Away

you in fact DO NOT have a chance to find a block if you go for a nerdminer that's the cheapest 'lottery miner' . some maybe have an astronomical 0.0000000.....0001 % chance but also some will have plain ZERO chance not even the astronomical one

KateR_H0l1day

# ZERO

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Academic_Attorney996

I don't know if other company will catch up to Saylor's stack. Is it me or  Apple, Amazon,Microsoft, and Google is DUMB as hell for owning ZERO Bitcoin !!!!!!!!!!

Academic_Attorney996

Don't feel bad. Apple, Amazon,Microsoft, and Google have ZERO Bitcoin !!! Pathetic. Meanwhile, Michael Saylor accumulates 4,871 BTC today!!

DiddysAfterparty

Big move to ZERO

SeannieG123

I AGREE 100% "Tbought plan" Saylors the perpetual bid on btc if he buys it'll continually go up. Saylor buys 22k btc, it goes down !! Saylor buys 0 ZERO btc for 1 ONE week and it makes a big jump up. Super weird 😕 but bullish AF

mrjune2040

There is ZERO reason to join a Telegram trading group ever. So it’s a binary decision with no further data needed.

Academic_Attorney996

No Neo, I'm telling you that Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, and Google are pieces of sh\*t watching Saylor getting all the Bitcoins. They literary own ZERO Bitcoin!!! Pathetic.

Academic_Attorney996

You should let the interns at Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, and Google to get on it. They are all on the sideline eating a Fat Cheeseburger while watching Saylor getting all the Bitcoins. They literary own ZERO Bitcoin. Pathetic.

Adorable-Bike-9689

Plan was the same as most other coins. Get in and get out before the other stupid people do. Its like playing financial chicken.  Hold for 5%... Hold for 50%..  Hold for 70%... OH NO IT CRASHED TO ZERO!!!!

Outsider-Trading

The attempts to whitewash SBF are absolutely ridiculous. SBF was holding 80 THOUSAND BTC for regular retail users in what was advertised as safe, secure custody. When they cracked open his company it revealed ZERO BTC and 80,000 IOUs. He was gambling with people's life savings, while his website said their money was safe and sound, locked in a vault. The fact that his gambles turned out to be good, doesn't get him off the hook at all. He had zero right to do that.

Subtraktions

That decision to dismiss the conversion claim was only a small part of the case based on the definition of digital assets under British law. Absolutely ZERO to with the gender of the victim. High Court documents reveal Mr Justice Cotter stated Mr Yuen has a 'very high probability of success' in his claim, describing the audio recordings as 'damning'. The manosphere has a lot of brainrot to answer for.

R4ID

>A couple billion this quarter alone. you're confusing escrow unlocks with sales... they dont sell what they unlock. the majority gets locked back up and has since the escrows began in Dec of 2017. Last market report I saw was IIRC Q3 2025. which showed they locked back up 2.1 Billion XRP, purchased over 150 million XRP to be held in their live wallet and then sold the remainder. so thats roughly what 75% not sold. which is lower than usual, as Q2 was 92% and Q1 of 2025 was 95% re-locked up. >If you are buying xrp you are just providing liquidity to this company that will never let the price rise. You just dont know what you're talking about and have done legit ZERO research into this topic as you dont even understand the escrow lockups apparently...

HSuke

MLM is just one type of a pyramid scheme. There are others. If everyone pulls out, and the value of the system collapses below ZERO, it's a pyramid scheme.

Academic_Attorney996

Let me tell you how many Bitcoin that  Apple, Amazon, Google, and Microsoft got. The answer is :ZERO....haha lol ahaha!!! Those stupid company

Comprehensive_Menu43

Loss is never the objective Willingness to lose is something that you have to come to terms with, because if you are "betting" your livelyhood on something going up and the in doesn't, and you need money, you will have to sell at a loss. Investing what you are "willing to lose" means that you don't need that money to live, that you can sustain youself without that investment going well in the short term. Investing what you are "willing to lose" imply the ability to lose the emotional response to market fluctuations and a more rational (and often long term) ability to mantain the investment during "rough waters" Not being willing to lose money is just copium. Not being able to live if you lose the money invested is just a disaster waiting to happen. Not wanting to lose money is just normal. Maybe you don't understand... what you are saying is that you are accepting losses as statistical outcomes, meaning that if you do that investment you are WILLINGLY putting money in something that can LOSE buying power, you son't want that, but you are accepting the risk This is wat being willing to lose mean... IT OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T MEAN INVENSTING MONEY HOPING IT ALL GOES TO ZERO....

SamLeCoyote_Fix_1

ZERO?

jalleNET

Sure, multiply ur paycheck, house,dog and wife with ZERO

Hefty-Amoeba5707

It was zero. Bitcoin was the first major asset to have a "Fair Launch". it had no Pre-mine, no Initial Coin Offering (ICO), and no venture capital funding. Satoshi Nakamoto announced the project on a public mailing list, allowing anyone with a computer to participate from the start. This model of organic, decentralized growth from a valuation of ABSOLUTE ZERO to a global reserve asset is unprecedented. Bitcoin is the very definition of "price discovery" caused by supply and demand in its purest form.

Historical_Smoke557

Bitcoin to ZERO, hopefully soon so I can buy a boatload of them before it goes back up to $250k.

gtrttt14

Bitcoin down to ZERO?

PriorHunt6967

What does commercial opportunist mean? Is everyone in crypto an opportunist, because most people, as you know, want to make money in crypto? Is the person writing the original post also an opportunist? I mean, everyone joined crypto for a profit. Let's not pretend to be saints. Ivan is providing great free content every day in Bull and Bear for over EIGHT years. Think about that! Ivan is doing content for over eight years daily, and I would love him to keep going for many years ahead. Before being so judgmental, evaluate what you have done for crypto first. Let's start there and then complain about what other people who are working every day in crypto are doing. Moreover, just like previous commenters have said, this original post is complaining about the FREE webinar ($0 cost, ZERO DOLLARS), which is a ridiculous thing to complain about. Ivan's paid memberships and Bullmania are very good, because I'm personally part of it already for the last three months.

LA_traffic_hater

woah this isn’t true at all what a bad rumor he gets ZERO credit for creating bitcoin. there’s no connection other than in the last decade he tried to potentially make his own coin and spoke to the creator of bitcoin but nothing ever moved forward. so this is an entire non-issue. the files show he even pulled out of cyrpto entirely in 2018.

biba8163

The quantum computing hype is sham to lure more and more money from investors which has delivered ZERO practical results in the past 25 years. This hype narrative is pushed by dishonest and technically clueless Wall Street analysts and the result is fear mongering by even more clueless people in crypto. 25 YEARS ago, **a 7-qubit quantum computer factored the number 15** and it was supposed to be a threat to breaking encryption algorithms > IBM researchers make another advance in quantum computing, demonstrating "Shor's Algorithm," which can break large encryption codes https://www.wired.com/2001/12/big-blue-takes-quantum-step **(2001)** 25 YEARS later, **1,000+ qubit quantum computers still aren't able to factor the number 21** because it's still too demanding for the hardware > Why haven't quantum computers factored 21 yet? https://algassert.com/post/2500 - **21** - The number that quantum computers still cannot factor with 1,000+ qubit hardware - **115792089237316195423570985008687907852837564279074904382605163141518161494336** - the range of private keys is between 1 and this number which is more atoms that exist in the known universe that dummies think that quantum computers will be able to guess There has been zero progress in anything quantum computers are capable of doing in the past 25 years besides the advancement in hardware in the number of qubits. Increasing the number of qubits it turns out is pointless because quantum computers get exponentially nosier the more qubits they have. So researchers have turned to try to stabilize qubits which becomes exponentially harder and harder the more qubits you have. This dilemma hasn't changed the fact that the quantum hype narrative continues to be pushed to extract maximum money from investors in vaporware companies.

McNitz

No, there's a lot to be said about how wrong this is. "Good money should be easy to use." Bitcoin fails. If you don't perfectly execute your own cybersecurity, you could lose 10s of thousands of dollars to hackers with literally ZERO possible recourse to get it back. The explanation is literally just completely wrong about why BitCoin is "hard to make". The fact that math problems have to solved to add BitCoins to the supply has nothing to do with why more BitCoins won't be created. It is because there is a hard cap on the number of BitCoins in the code itself. What this misses though is that there's a reason the AUTHORITY behind a government to guarantee a currency's usage is important. Sure, BitCoin is limited. But there is absolutely nothing unique about BitCoin that would mean it will be used in the future. Someone could decide they don't like how the current BitCoin system is working and come up with an alternative that more people want to use. If this results in BitCoin losing market share, there are now more "digital coins" in existence, regardless of whether they are labelled "BitCoin". And because popularity is really the ONLY guide for the value of BitCoin, that would result in a MASSIVE devaluation. Which also brings up the problem that BitCoin doesn't REALLY have a solid story of what it is. To some people it is a hedge. To some people it is an investment. To some people it is a way to avoid inflation. And to some people like this video they think it should be a currency. But because BitCoin has no way to determine which of these ways it is used, it ends up performing all of them poorly. People treat it as an investment. Which works until enough people using it as a currency or hedge decide it isn't worth it and it tanks in value. But the people treating it as an investment drive massive volatility, which makes it absolutely TERRIBLE as a currency. And so on and so forth. As with most things made by the ultra Libertarian propaganda mill that is the Tuttle Twins, this video present a ridiculously one sided view of the subject that only favors THEIR preferred interpretation.

spaceplacetaste

You have exactly ZERO idea that todays low isn't tomorrows high. You DON'T know where the dip is. This whole sub is nothing but optimism propaganda to make people think it's smart to buy and buy and buy even more.

cryptorevolution999

But you are missing the most important key factor about bitcoin. Bitcoin is decentralized, while banks are not. If tomorrow someone crack a 256 bit key, bitcoin will go to ZERO. Banks? They would just add an additional security layers which are already in place. They could also shut down the servera until someone figure it out what to do. Again, the hypotetical scenario above is that if someone cracks it tomorrow. Also, with BTC, the public keys are exposed as soon you spend it. This means, that any wallet that exposed the public key is vulnerable.

liquid_at

The thing many people ignore is that Bitcoin developers have absolutely ZERO reasons to ignore quantum threats. They will not wait for 50 years for QC to become powerful enough to break bitcoin. At a fraction of that time, QC would already be powerful enough to be used to protect the blockchain, increasing the cost for QC to break it. All it would really take would be one QC-Resistent factor in the code that can't be broken, to protect the whole. Much like incrasing CPU power made brute-force-attacks easier, but adding a salt to the pass-phrases did counter that, with little resource cost. But sure... Any 2020 crypto project that does not change anything about their codebase for 100 years will likely be dead. Just that it is more likely to die from lack of development than from QC attacks.

Future_Dimension_985

Ivan went from being a tech focused channel to trading and investing focused, I think the early "2017-era" fans were not happy with that change and are still crying about it EIGHT YEARS LATER Ivan has said that being too tech focused back in the day got him REKT and he learned the importance of TA haha but the funny thing is that this switch from Tech to Investing/Making Money content happened over 5 years ago!!! People still mad at him And i can partially understand the "disappointment" the OP feels at the same time Ivan made me more money than any other youtuber. And I had to learn ZERO tech for it lmao (and just like previous commenters said, Ivan saved my portfolio my yelling to SELL IN OCTOBER LAST YEAR) I would rather have Ivan yelling "SELL" at the top than him doing tech review of ETHEREUM OR IOTA for the 20th time eheh TELL ME WHERE I AM WRONG

verysillyman

I’ve learned this cycle that you HAVE to use charting on every single coin you own. Mark out key supports, and if it starts breaking below, GET OUT. No matter your belief or thesis, it has now been invalidated until the chart shows positive momentum. These coins will go to literal ZERO as we’re currently seeing

No_Film8853

Will love and celebrate the day when Binance holdings go to ZERO bitcoin. Derivatives can dry up and go away and bitcoin can go back to something more like it was supposed to be and not some bastardized financialized entity that all the greedy leveraged gambling degenerates (both longs AND shorts) have turned it into and Binance Futures is far and away the worst by an order of magnitude !!!

NachoEditor

I would do it only if there is ZERO chances of you needing this money within next 5 years.

caploves1019

This is the answer I was looking for after wading through a bunch of nonsense to get here. Yes. The only thing that breaks my Bitcoin thesis is the end of government currency manipulation. The end of fraud and wasteful spending. Full transparency. Proper taxation with proper representation. So basically, pigs flying and hell freezing over since, historically, ZERO elected entities or powerful leaders have ever (on a long enough time horizon) have ethically chosen not to take advantage of those that gave it authority. Government bloat is so unbelievably vast, but if it somehow fixed itself tomorrow, and permanently (no risk of going back to its manipulating scammy ways).Bitcoin would no longer be necessary. It was created BECAUSE of moneyprintergobrr. So.... It dies if moneyprinterNOgobrrEVERagain. Until that happens, it's invincible and everyone discussing price action or Satoshi coins or all the other fantastical nonsense is simply a distraction from the inevitable triumphant outcome 😎👍

Sin-City-Sinner

I don’t think children should be investing ESPECIALLY if they don’t use a clue what they are doing, even if the do they are notorious for bad choices like “dropping every last penny”, and tbh, as a parent.. my kids better start buying groceries to help out their free ride they get for 20 years or so, and if after that, they want to learn, ok cool! I also feel kids are too impressionable to do something that can be exactly like gambling, they lack life experience and let’s be real, how many people under 21-25yo actually understand money, have had to pay for every single thing in their own lives… THEY HAVE ZERO CLUE ABOUT THE VALUE OF A DOLLAR!!

Lighting_TT

Teams keep building, because they have money from VC. For them, current state of the market doesn't matter. It will matter later when bull cycle starts again and Investors will want to offload their tokens. As for what they are building, usually its the main narrative of the cycle. Main narrative of the cycle was obviously AI. So AI agents, AI ecosystems like BitTensor, GPU rendering platforms and so on. For price action, it's not even about going lower. Like you pointed out, people are still emotional. When I look at xrp sub(which is hilarious to read btw), most of them are still conviced we are back. They are catching falling knives and convice everyone else to "hold long term". This is a textbook example of denial. I heard some folks talking about super low RSI. Yeah, it is low, but even historicly, RSI can be super low for months, it doesnt mean anything right now. SMA200 crossed and failed to defend itself. Alts bleeding for months. Subscriptions and views of crypto channels is declining. ZERO interest. You can make all TA in the world, but when retail capital is not here, who will buy all these alts? We are heading into bear market, and people who didnt experience one, will get rekt.

Beast_Ai_Art

What if it hits ZERO

Professional-Donut84

Huh? Nooooo, its going to ZERO. XD

Ztoxed

**ZERO**

Staxu9900

Nice whole ZERO at the moment, managed to sale at 120k, now just waiting for blood from the streets to wash out a bit more, and buying back, most likely around 55k.

TheMoejahi3d

It's almost playing out to a T compared to previous cycles? How is that different? It's just Hopeium. It's the same with the guys who say we didnt have a "blow out top" yes we did. Tops cant go on a Linear X every cycle. The marketcap increase is Humangous everytime. The Top increase will get smaller and smaller. The people who say don't trust the cycle, are the same people who probably hodld during all previous Bear markets as well and didnt earn money. The people who say it's different now, are the same people probably who said "we will nevver see sub 100k again!!11". Is the Cycle guaranteed ? No, offcourse not. But why bet against it? If you are in this to earn money. People who use the cycle got in anywhere between 16k and 30k. People who are smart but dont care about cycles, got in anywhere between 30k-50k. The rest? ARe just followers, trading based on Hopium. We reached 126k. Trust the cycle. We didnt hold it. Check the indicators..should have gotten out anywhwere between 120k-100k for mad profit. And now? Watch the cycle again. a Bear market has never lasted only 3 months guys. IF it does this time, No biggie, then we buy in anywhere during the upside and sell again as close as possible during the Top and wait again for the next break down. There no ZERO reason, to trade against the cycle.