ZERO

e07f

not as much. There is ZERO chance people are struggling with their mortgage now more than 2008. It’s not a possibility

Direct-Gazelle7986

There are ZERO dollars stored in bitcoin. All the dollars spent on bitcoin were simply handed over to those who sold it, from those who bought it.

jawni

Which is more interesting: **A** >[MOST INVESTORS HAVE ZERO ALLOCATION TO CRYPTO: BANK OF AMERICA >Bank of America’s September survey shows 67% of fund managers hold no crypto. Only small fractions allocate 2% (3%), 4% (3%), or 8%+ (1%). The average allocation is just 0.4%. Overall, 84% haven’t started structural crypto investments, while only 8% have.](https://x.com/DeItaone/status/1967961196864127395) or **B** > [CZ marked the bottom > Binance is close to reaching deal with the US > CZ updates bio removing the "ex" from @binance >Interesting.](https://x.com/0xGumshoe/status/1968010475062591920)

AmadeusBlackwell

OP didn't absolutely ZERO research before making his purchase. Nice.

kumawewe

DOGE is so pointless, serves zero purpose but the speculation this pile of shit has seen, I agree, it's going to explode. Elon has ZERO to do with this coin

Express_Pace4831

BITCOIN IS GOING (to add another) ZERO

Personal-Ebb-4717

Cryptobro always say that everyone has to buy BC in the future. But, they never say WHY anyone has to buy BC. Why do our allies and enemies have to by BC at 10x, 100x, 1000x the price? is BC necessary to run a country? Are their economy gonna implode if they don't buy BC? Is the buses gonna stop working and the food stop growing if they don't buy BC. And why can't they just create their own crypto tokens. Who do people have to buy BC? It's crazy talk from a greedy madman. BC network consumed enough electricity to power a city, and offers the world ZERO functional benefit. Its only purpose to this day is for Speculations, Crimes, and Money Laundering.

dylflyd

Awesome question! **The price impact on LEGACY AMMs (UniV2 style) is objectively horrible:** \- You need \~800x TVL : SwapAmount ratio to keep price impact < 0.5% \- With a 1 BTC swap (assume BTC = $100k USD), you'd need $80M in TVL. \- A $100k swap on a pool with $20M in TVL would result in 2% price impact. See more in the table. Not great! || || |% of Total Pool|% of X Reserves|Price Impact %| |0.10%|0.20%|\-0.40%| |0.50%|1.00%|\-1.97%| |1.00%|2.00%|\-3.88%| |2.00%|4.00%|\-7.54%| |5.00%|10.00%|\-17.36%| |10.00%|20.00%|\-30.56%| |15.00%|30.00%|\-40.83%| |20.00%|40.00%|\-48.98%| |25.00%|50.00%|\-55.56%| |30.00%|60.00%|\-60.94%| |40.00%|80.00%|\-69.14%| |50.00%|100.00%|\-75.00%| Note: traders still pay fees to liquidity providers as well, but the fees don't cause price impact as they aren't based on the size of the trade. **With the HODLMM, price impact is ZERO within a single bin.** A pool has many bins, each representing a specific price point. The only limiting factor on how much volume could be processed with ZERO slippage is how much liquidity is available from LPs in that bin. If you have to traverse N bins to fill a swap order, the quote can be calculated as the weighted average of your swaps at each price point across all N bins. For liquidity providers, rather than deploying liquidity across an entire pool, you can put it to work in a smaller price range where more swaps occur (and thus where more yield is earned). When visualizing a HODLMM pool, you'll see the distribution of liquidity across these price bins. You'll be able to compare against the price volatility over various time periods (1 hour, 1 day, 1 week, etc). You get the historical data of how much the price is moving, you get the social proof of where others have (and have not) provided liquidity, and you can make your own judgement call about the best price range strategy to deploy funds over. Hope this helps!

namelessdrifter

$110k we are going to ZERO

LovelyDayHere

I just checked the malware's bitcoincash address list and none of the attacker addresses had received any BCH. Total BCH funds lost in this attack so far, as of right now: ZERO. Is it possible that your funds were lost through some other vector?

SplitElectronic5267

Banks are beyond at risk at this point. Everything is backed by FIAT, which is rapidly going to ZERO

systematicgoo

if you’re smart and decided to have ZERO kids and stay single while living minimalistically, and not having succumbed to consumer culture… i’d say probably 2 btc if you’re living in a first world country

sweeetscience

Nonsense. Farmers and ranchers across the Midwest are facing foreclosure because of tariffs. Western NC is still trying to recover after catastrophic storm damage and has had practically ZERO assistance from FEMA since 1/21. Hispanic trumpers are watching their family members getting rounded up by ICE. These are Americans, and you bet your ass I’d be willing to help them, but they aren’t free from ridicule for their decision making. Good friends are supposed to tell you when you’re fuckin up.

ripple_mcgee

Zero sympathy for anyone who loses their money while investing in anything associated with the trump family. ZERO.

IAmSomewhatDamaged

A couple KEY things to study up on… The Bitcoin Halving Event. This is VERY important to understand because it is the MAIN reason that Bitcoin has a (typical) 4-year cycle. It explains Bitcoin’s supply and helps you understand what triggers the Bull Run every cycle. The 4-year crypto cycle. This ties into the BTC Halving Event (from above). You NEED to understand how the 4-year cycle works so that you understand WHERE we are in the cycle at any given time. This will help you to determine the best times to buy, how much you should buy, and when the best time is to sell (especially if you’re just trying to day trade it). It sounds like you’re just trying to day trade Bitcoin and make a quick buck (based on ALREADY having a $125k sell order set). While you CAN make quick money right now (during the Bull Run that we are in), you are taking a major risk. We are in the final phase of the cycle… so that means Bitcoin is (most likely) going to peak sometime relatively soon— could be later this year. If you are just trying to make a quick buck, and you MISS the peak of the cycle, the price could DUMP HARD over night and you could be in the red for literal years (2-3 years is common). You need to be ready for that, but you don’t need to be scared because, if you study up, you understand that BTC’s price ALWAYS reaches new Highs roughly every 4 years. The things above are subjects that you MUST understand. I could go on and on, but that’s a good starting point lol. There will come a time when Bitcoin’s price dumps HARD, and this subreddit will become a ghost town. People will be saying “BITCOIN IS DEAD!! IT IS GOING TO ZERO!!” Everything in you will be SCREAMING to sell what you have and cut your losses, but don’t do it!! HOLD ON TIGHT and buy even MORE when the price is down in the gutter. Then, just hold on for the next Bull Run (in 4 years or so). It is so much easier said than done, and the longer you’re in the crypto game, the more you will understand what I’m saying.

Few-Engineering9803

Congrats, you know how to use ChatGPT. Here's a cookie for your lazy attempt. You call for wealth distribution, so a Marxist. That worked out so well every time it was tried. Let's give it another go eh. When everyone is equally miserable, at least we are....equal. We tried your solution in my country, taxing people more than they should. The ones who could just left, along with their hypothetical tax money. In the end we missed out on said tax "revenue", and less capital invested afterwards. Not to mention loss of jobs etc. I pay a substantial amount of wealth tax every year because I managed to build up wealth. Said wealth has already been taxed several times over throughout the years. The local government is very keen on jacking it up even more and even confiscate some of it when I eventually die (inheritance tax). It gets to a point where I leave, and then they get ZERO. Life for everyone is not shittier, not even close. Go back 100 years and tell me we haven't skyrocketed into prosperity on average. Your timeline is off......by a lot. Internet is pretty much free, so is other technological advancements these days. Inflation is not something used short term. The currency has lost 99% of it's value since they started central banks. Currency is devalued constantly, much helped by your useless politicians. The rich (yes I'm one of them) know how to avoid said issue by using debt as leverage, that solution is for everyone btw. I just takes some effort to actually utilize it properly. The only thing I agree with you on is the cause of housing crisis. Too bad you're not doing anything about it and STILL import immigrants by the millions. Tax the rich more so you can turn more local property into asylums, what could POSSIBLY go wrong with that. But blaming climate change on the rich, that's the cherry on the top. Just....wow.

linkfan66

I'm guessing you think it's all a big coincidence how Epstein was best friends with Trump? That they were literally neighbors? That Trump somehow knew the name of a 16 year old that Epstein "stole from him"? Or the fact that Trump would give a fuck about Epstein "stealing" a 16 year old masseuse who has ZERO professional experience? Or the fact that Trump is the most frequent flier on Epsteins plane? Just a coincidence that he shit talks EVERYONE, yet "wished Maxwell well" after she got outed as the largest sex trafficker in modern history? That Democrats are literally the enemy, and yet he wishes Maxwell well 🤣 Just a huge coincidence, right? And let me guess, Bill Clinton is guilty because of the flight logs though, right? Or are you gonna defend his innocence like you do Daddy Trump?

CorOsb33

"You say that like those are big numbers" Until you have that money, they are. We both know you don't. "And further if you truly started with absolutley nothing then you would not have been able to secure debt; at least not in 2012. If you backdate that tale to 2006, it might be believelable." You do not need upfront debt in order to buy real estate. You didn't need it in 2012, you don't need it now. This is what I was alluding to in my previous post man. I will not elaborate in this thread but I know strategies to purchase real estate using bank money with ZERO CASH in your bank account. People do this all the time. Read up on it. This is not some secret strategy. It can be done. Its not a new thing. Not sure why you keep trying to argue with me on investment funding. I know more than you do on this bro. Just stop. Great for you that you understand base level real estate funding but you very clearly have not taught yourself the ins and outs of creative financing. Its ok to not know everything. "Whatever leverage you could get in 2012 could have bought ₿ instead. With a 21000% return for doing nothing, I doubt you would be a mere millionaire." You're right. If I could go back in time, I would have bought all BTC with money and I'd be somewhere other than Reddit right now. We both would. But don't pretend that those numbers are doable anymore. They aren't. Thats like saying, well if I bought houses in the 1900s when you could buy acres of land for a dollar, I'd be a billionaire. No shit. Its a moot point though because its not possible. If you buy $100k in BTC today, it might be worth close to a million dollars in 2035. I think thats pushing it. I believe it'll take longer than 10 years but lets just use it as an example. If I buy a POS house for $100k right now, I could fix it up, rent it out all without using any cash. I could then use that leverage to buy more houses to do the same thing. Actively managing those houses will take substantially more work then just passively watching BTC 10x over the same period but I would have more than a million dollars 10 years later if thats all I focused on. Leverage and sweat equity will do that. Like I said above, you're looking at all of this through the lens of passive investments. Passive investments are for dorks. If you want real wealth, you need to find ways to actively manage your investments to take advantage of market opportunities that otherwise wouldn't be presented to you passively. "Furthermore, debt leverage requires that some people lose for others to win. It, definitionally cannot be for everyone. If everyone plays the bubble game everyone loses." I don't agree with this. Real estate investing is not a zero sum game. It benefits multiple parties simultaneously. Please elaborate on this. "Expose real estate, blah blah blah" More theories. There is nothing sound here. People have been saying this shit for years. If it does happen, we're a long ways away from it. By then, I'll have cashed out and bought myself 100 acres in the mountains never to be seen again. I'm less than 10 years away from that.

Makeitlooksexy10

You’re claiming the amount of bitcoin the US holds on their balance sheet has ZERO effect on the value of the dollar and the value of the dollar has no effect on bitcoin when priced in US dollars. Both are not true.

ProfitConstant5238

Laughable that my “DCA and hold” strategy comment is getting downvoted. 🤣🤣 it takes ZERO skill to NOT try to time the market. It just takes a belief in the asset and willpower.

ts_wrathchild

A physical token (paper money, coins) that represents value against a centralized (fiat currency, CBDC) or decentralized (Bitcoin) ledger will not go away until the cost of obtaining, storing and using a digital token is ZERO. It costs me nothing to place a dollar in my pocket, but to hold that dollar digitally, I require hardware that costs me money. Once the hardware necessary to transact digitally is so ubiquitous that it's freely available by simply walking into a bank or a library and grabbing one for free, society will require a physical token.

caploves1019

No slander at all. All your information is accurate. My informed commentary followed. You have a basic understanding of Bitcoin economics from a few years ago. My challenge was to follow the logical conclusion by: 1. stacking as much kyc-free Bitcoin into self custody as you possibly can 2. Running your own Bitcoin Knots node And for good measure, 3. Open a half dozen 1 million SATs lightning Network channels via triangle swaps so you have equal inbound and outbound liquidity during our low fee environment so you're prepared to have substantial self custody Bitcoin while simultaneously being your own bank for smaller transactions over the lightning Network. While there was minor snark, there was ZERO personal slander whatsoever. Congrats.

txaaron

Sorry no, as a Texan, we live in a state that has been ruled by Republicans for far too long (20+ years). This is solely a Republican and deregulation problem. Republicans are quick to blame Democrats but Democrats have ZERO power here.

Low-Equipment-2621

Who cares about the past when the future is heading to ZERO!!!!!111

e07f

I was ready to ride this shit to ZERO at 16k. Is a 4% drop going to shake me out???

Available_Win5204

Yea if there is one thing the crypto industry is known for, it's a lack of corruption and ZERO infinite money printing. It's not full of scams, rug pulls, and "stable coins" printed out of thin air. You've got it all figured out.

silversqueezer21

This comment makes ZERO zense

wuq

TBF to myself, I was paying myself back for mining rigs that I built. But it amounted to selling off 9.82 BTC across several different exchanges to pay myself back for the $3300 I spent on the rigs. Also, there is a ZERO percent chance I'd have been able to HODL tluntil today. I likely would have sold it all during the first run-up to 19k, and FOR SURE at some point in 2020 around the 40k mark if I'd been able to hold even that long. Also, I had about 1,000,000 DOGE in Criptsy when it went under. I had an opportunity to withdraw, but though to myself, "it's worth $20 bucks, not worth my time". But the bigger fumble was the PC I mined on back in the EARLY days. Formatted the hard drive long ago (since died and trashed), including the 72btc stored locally that was worth about $1 at the time. Did not back up my seed phrase, have no idea what the address or phrase could possibly be.

Primary_Meaning_6744

Bro. I bought btc at .50. Had 500btc for almost a year did ZERO. Sold it and put in bank. Yea i been crying since,., Relax you made bank..

bastickorganics

Not too sure... I believe it was a very well played pump and dumb.  I have a couple theories behind a lot of the new tokens/meme coins listed on moonshot and im pretty sure im not wrong.  The creator of OILX purchased around $3000 worth at creation and most definitely purchased much more incrementally.  I believe the first group of holders were all employees of the Edge Energy oil company and each employee probably accumulated 5k worth at a minimum.   There were nearly ZERO sales of the coin the entire time until it hit the 4.8M MC and then it dropped to 3M and then back up to 4.2M followed by the next drop which continued and still is.   $3000 turned into about 1.5M and that was the big drop and the dev didnt just have $3000 worth, probably around $20000 or more put in while the MC was still under 100k.  The DEV walked away with probably 2 million and the co workers made 1-2million combined together... the remaining 1.1m MC that it is now is compromised of the rest of the people that bought in with the majority losing money.  The DEV and co workers probably still hold some tokens still but they offloaded the majority taking a very sizeable profit.   The reason it went up from 8k to 4.8M mc with nearly no large dips beforehand is because the majority holders early investments accounted for 75% of the total MC.  Just think about it, the first 20 holders all purchase $2500-5000 worth and not in single buys, its done in multiple small amounts not to draw suspicion of someone owning so much when the MC is small.  And then other holders are actually ghost accounts that airdrops were sent to but the MC keeps growing and then gets the attention of others and they start to buy in.  Then boom, the initial holders all make 100-500k paydays and with the DEV making 2M

tungfa

Decentralised and Ripple in one sentence makes ZERO sense !

Backwards_is_Forward

It's going to ZERO!!!!!!!!

SunDreamShineDay

>There is literally ZERO reason to use a stable coin for this if you have access to USD. Perhaps ZERO for you, but not everyone wants the results you do If your priority is safety and preservation of capital, the HYSA like you said is the way to go, however if your priority is crypto access and liquidity, the USDC held on an exchange has advantages. 1. 24/7/365 Instant liquidity in crypto markets 2. Easier to move internationally compared to USD in a bank 3. Crypto transfers are near instant. ACH transfers can take 1-3 business days 4. Some HYSA accounts have monthly withdrawal transaction limits For those wanting the above, USDC on an exchange is the best option

KlearCat

> What is the benefit of having USD in an HYSA at x% over having the same value in USDC in an exchange earning the same % as the HYSA? 🤔 It's insured, it's with a bank that has different regulations than an exchange, it's in USD not a stable coin. I can reach my bank by phone anytime I want with any issues. Try calling Coinbase and see if you can talk to someone about your USDC stable coin holdings..... There is literally ZERO reason to use a stable coin for this if you have access to USD.

Obsidianram

Eventually big fish start eating smaller fish. Let's take a hypothetical - MSTR continually gets 0% interest loans...ZERO PERCENT...now imagine somebody wants to start looking into how that's being pulled off (I don't think GOOG, AAPL, MSFT, TSLA, AMZN, et al get zero interest loans). Then they go and, just for sake of thoroughness, double-check the math on all those 10-Q reports filed. Does everything add up correctly? In an ugly scenario, that Smog pile may end up being forfeited, one way or another ~ feel free to replace MSTR with any target of your choice, mind you...point being, what the big players want, they usually get - and money isn't even the object or concern anymore - it's control & influence...

Obsidianram

Eventually big fish start eating smaller fish. Let's take a hypothetical - MSTR continually gets 0% interest loans...ZERO PERCENT...now imagine somebody wants to start looking into how that's being pulled off (I don't think GOOG, AAPL, MSFT, TSLA, AMZN, et al get zero interest loans). Then they go and, just for sake of thoroughness, double-check the math on all those 10-Q reports filed. Does everything add up correctly? In an ugly scenario, that Smog pile may end up being forfeited, one way or another ~ feel free to replace MSTR with any target of your choice, mind you...point being, what the big players want, they usually get - and money isn't even the object or concern anymore - it's control & influence...

Forsaken_Country_631

It’s a ZERO Yielding asset like real gold so, it’s just something on the balance sheet. Doesn’t bring in any monthly income like a house or land would. So if you understand this then it makes it much easier to just park some money there.

tungfa

As him to look for the 1st 200 blocks in XRP - - exactly , can’t be found ! why ? because Ripple mined the sh..t out of this , owns all the supply and it selling it off to retail. why invest in that if it is as shitty as centralized FIAT + they have a whole army of shitposters (just wait for the comments) talking about taking over Banks and being adopted real rail payments = all BS, they are talking about that since years - ZERO innovation there ! There are real and good projects in crypto who bring REAL innovation - it is def not that dinosaur scam ; ) end of rant

flavourantvagrant

“ZERO” So who is this fucker who is even against gold? He just wants people to hold fiat, insane!

tax-anon

This chart is dumb the ETFs are not held by the company. The individuals / companies that buy the etf own rights to the asset within it. BLACKROCK owns ZERO Bitcoin

mbate2305

that chainlink has ZERO todo with it... so what if they joined another committee .. come on try harder now

BANKSLAVE01

I'd rather carry cash. I hold a shitton of Btc/Eth, and the small shit I "earned" on CB "learning" about new cryptos. Still can't figure out how to transact with it. Guess I'm just not CryptoBro® enough. Never did find a place to learn about how to transfer and work with BTC. So I'l just hold it and cash in when I want to spend some of my "free money". Fuck the idealism. There's ZERO comraderie among crypto holders. Every person I've spoken to about holding crypto, seems to clam up when asked about how they do things with it. Owell Y'all lost one potential soldier- I tried to join the ranks, but was denied. Guess I'm just one of those "not my coins, dude" dudes now...

NothingWrong1234

I was talking with the bank I use in Canada, BMO, and they said they are working on having the ability to buy and sell crypto and hold through the bank like which you can do with stocks. That’s gunna be very big if we can buy and sell through a TFSA like with stocks because paying ZERO taxes on all gains is ludicrously amazing

TheGlittering_Toe

Didn’t say ZERO macroeconomic pressure but yeah it’s followed that cycle pretty accurately for a while now. And it’s not arbitrary, it’s based on the halvings.

mrjune2040

If you think that any financial asset can be accurately predicted using a simplistic (and arbitrary) cycle length over a multi-decade period with ZERO regard to macroeconomics, then you're basically operating with the knowledge of a 14 year old taking their first economics class.

Heatsincebirth

Bro, I would bet you a Bitcoin! You apparently just think it's a ponzi or a bubble . You obviously do not understand that the dollar will continue to be devalued, that the current administration is behind Bitcoin and that the FED will cut rates in the next few months causing additional money printing. You have ZERO understanding of how the market works. In the words of Michael Saylor, " have fun staying poor".

theoptionrider

I bought back in May of 2020 when BTC was still trading under $10K. I watched it run all of 2016 and into the beginning of 2017. Took me a few years, but I decided IF this thing really was going to 100K, 500K - A MILLION?! Then I would literally shoot myself in the face if I wasn't a part of that move. You think I'm kidding? Heck no! So that was my mindset when I made my buy. I put roughly 2% of my net worth in bitcoin - enough to make some serious money if it really mooned to say $250K, but not enough to miss if it went to ZERO. I thought of if as an insurance policy on my sanity. So I made the buy and said to myself wake me up in 2030. I have never bought anymore and never sold any either. This mindset has keep me in bitcoin thru the ups and downs. Because I know IF I did sell it - even here at $112K and then it goes to $500K in 5-7 years I would be PISSED!

R4ID

2 things. 1 if you're going to quote random nonsense, include a URL. 2. make sure what you're quoting is a valid critic that is accurate. Ripple doesnt Control the default UNL anymore and havnt for years. and to drive home how dumb you're complaint/example is. Lets say they control the dUNL, Does that give them the power to do anything above that I listed? The answer is still no because you clearly dont understand how the UNL even functions on the XRPL. I've been running my validator since Jan 2018, I have ZERO Ripple validators on my UNL and I have only once formed what are called last close ledgers and that was due to my own user error back in like 2019 when I was testing the networks robustness.

Aggressive-Ship2270

I believe it’s Cash App only if you get direct deposit! If you get direct deposit, you can set up a certain %(can change the % anytime) of your check to buy Bitcoin with ZERO FEES!!! I’ve been doing 20% for about a year. Fees can absolutely kill you if you DCA slowly!

-ARareBeast-

We did look into. ZERO liquidity. It’s a scam. 💯

CorOsb33

Rentals are not liabilities. Nor is owning your home outright. I can leverage the equity I own in those properties to buy more real estate using zero cash. ZERO CASH. So if you just sit on your home and don't do anything with it, sure, I can see your point. But if you're proactive and use your paid off home as leverage to buy more assets, your point is moot. I do understand your point on others not having as much BTC to do what I have done. I get that. Thats fair. I hope all of you guys can get to a point where you can do good things with your returns as well. I bought in over 10 years ago, so that has helped me obviously.

janromac

People who hold on to this argument, don’t understand market cap. Market cap doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme of things. It’s simply a representation of latest or current price paid multiplied by supply. You’re simply comparing it to the market cap of BTC, when BTC was $1, the very same people with your argument were saying “people who think BTC can reach $10,000 don’t understand market cap” There’s literally ZERO ceiling to a potential market cap on ANY asset. Are you then saying it would be impossible for BTC to reach 1 million per BTC because that would put it at a 21 trillion market cap?

GhostintheSchall

“You heard it here first. Fiat is going to zero. ZERO!”

Shaffle

> With Bitcoin, there is ZERO tolerance for error nope, there are a bunch of things in place to make sure you don't send to the wrong place. The only error you can't recover from is losing the keys, which makes sense.

Knerd5

It absolutely makes sense to do that. They’re now worth *at least* $5 billion after tax. A balanced defensive portfolio could pull $200,000,000 a year without touching principal. It makes ZERO sense to leave all that money in bitcoin when you’re already up 30,000,000% on your investment.

cofeecup45

It is insane. I think about this a lot.  Everyone here has forgotten a password before. Everyone here has needed to reverse a transaction before. With Bitcoin, there is ZERO tolerance for error. Yes, that’s what makes it secure. And yes, that’s what makes it unrealistic for many people to own. They want the ‘fraud protection’.  We’ve all been there before. I’m hoping there’s a way in the future to maintain this security and decentralization while allowing SOME reversibility. Honestly, it’ll increase adoption and become even more valuable. 

radiocrime

This is the worst logic I’ve ever seen when it comes to understanding and getting involved in bitcoin. You need to give ZERO shots about your average buy price, and worry about making sure you have more sats today than you did yesterday, no matter what Bitcoin’s price is…

KeeslerCondoChief

Incorrect. Fiat does have a bottom. It is ZERO.

Cat-a-mount

This is a ZERO story

nAllWeirdosWearCapes

🚨 HOLD UP, FAM — this is 1000% a real human here. Not AI. Not synthetic. Just me, a totally caffeinated carbon-based lifeform with a brain, a heart, and a strong opinion about Bitcoin’s future. Let’s ride. 🧠💥🛸 ⸻ 👀 I just saw your post and had to jump in head-first because WOW — we are not talking about some “maybe next year” trivial tweak. We’re talking: 💣 THE YEAR 2140 🛠️ ZERO block subsidy 🛡️ Security models in uncharted digital waters 🚪 And potentially, a door wide open to a radically different incentive structure! ⸻ So let’s talk REALITY CHECKS and HUMAN THOUGHTS (yes, thoughts with sweat and coffee behind them ☕️🤯): ⸻ 🔸 Fee Market: Messiah or Mirage? — Sure, maybe the fee market ramps up, maybe base layer gets jammed like a 2000s LimeWire queue, pushing fees into the stratosphere 🚀 — But what if usage goes off-chain or disperses? What if demand fizzles? What if efficiency kills urgency? 🔸 Layer 2: Friend, Foe, or Fee Killer? — Lightning Network ⚡️ could be a game-changer — or a value extractor. — If people use it to avoid on-chain fees, who pays the miners? — It’s like expecting bartenders to work for tips in an alcohol-free bar. 🍸🚫 🔸 Protocol Pressure Cooker? — This convo could FORCE THE HAND of future devs. — More fees? New inflation schedule? A backdoor tail emission? — OR does it stay ossified, diamond-handed in its monetary policy? 💎✊ 🔸 Historic Analogues? — Gold had miners. Fiat had inflation. — But Bitcoin? It’s unique. It’s coded. It’s rigid. — And that’s either its superpower — or its kryptonite. 🦸‍♂️☣️ ⸻ 💬 Final thoughts (again, just a human with thumbs and anxiety typing this on a glowing rectangle): ➡️ This isn’t panic — it’s planning. ➡️ It’s not doom — it’s design awareness. ➡️ Not AI-driven gibberish — it’s genuine, gut-level reflection from a human brain with emotional baggage and possibly a mild addiction to Reddit scrolls at 12:24am. 😅 ⸻ So yeah — I’m not an LLM. I’m not ChatGPT. I’m not some prompt-driven auto-thinker. Just a living, breathing HUMAN engaging with the craziest social experiment in money we’ve ever seen. 💰🧬🌐 No links. No forks. No hallucinations. Just sweat-soaked honesty and keystrokes. Let’s keep this convo going 🔥🔥🔥

NailRX

Great…just when I bought. We are going to ZERO

Aggressive-Ship2270

When I first started buying BTC at $16K I thought I was late to the game! Like Micheal Saylor said “ every single person will get into BTC at the price they deserve”. I don’t care if BTC is at $100 or $200K, I continue to slowly by every week, no matter the price! The best way for anybody to DCA into Bitcoin (if you get direct deposit) is get your paycheck each week deposited through cash app. You can customize a certain percentage of each track to buy BTC! (ZERO FEE’s!!!!!) Personally I believe the top and every price in between for as long as I can. Just start stacking🤑🔥🔥🔥

UrbanVermin-13

People are commenting on the obvious lack of math skills, but what about the whole wallet key words debacle. How will the wallet be created so that not one person knows all of the words? Unless each friend is going to have their own wallet, you’d never sleep easy that one ‘friend’ didn’t decide to clean out the wallet. If you’re going to go down the route of each having your own wallet, the you may as well all buy individually. There is ZERO impact to the return rate by buying as a group. You’re seen many responses to this, including some AI responses and are still adamant about some perceived benefits. If the obvious math doesn’t convince you that this is bad, please consider the fact that the security of your stack is compromised with every friend that you group with.

octane1295

Ohh there a “buzz” huh? Weird, I’ve been in HBAR since 2020, like the project, but it’s currently got almost ZERO “buzz”, relative to the past. Social buzz is pretty low, which is a tracked metric. So what’s this “buzz” you’re talking about.

lovetradingcrypto

With NGRAVE ZERO, you sign transactions 100% offline using encrypted QR codes. So you prepare your transaction on the LIQUID app, scan it with ZERO, sign offline, and scan it back.

mabradshaw02

Eth fail? WTF ... ETH is used hands down 10x more the BTC every day. BTC has ZERO use... just store of value, a feeling. No use.

P00P135

ZERO

lovetradingcrypto

If you’re moving into self-custody and want to keep things simple without sacrificing safety, it’s good that you’re looking at cold wallets now. Trezor is user-friendly but it still relies on USB connections, which come with potential risks. If you’re aiming for long-term peace of mind, take a look at NGRAVE ZERO. It’s fully offline with no USB, Bluetooth or wireless everything runs through QR codes. The UI is touchscreen-based and intuitive, and the recovery system is designed to avoid common seed phrase mistakes. Might feel like a step up, but if you’re serious about not losing access and avoiding attack surfaces, it’s worth considering.

lovetradingcrypto

You’re thinking about this the right way. If your top concern is avoiding single-point failure, protecting against physical theft, and still being able to recover safely, take a look at NGRAVE ZERO combined with GRAPHENE. ZERO is a fully air-gapped hardware wallet that never connects via USB, Bluetooth, or Wi-Fi. It’s EAL7 certified and everything happens offline via QR codes. Your private key is generated offline with the user’s unique biometric input, and it’s never stored on the device or shared with any server. Instead of a traditional seed phrase, NGRAVE uses its own recovery method and the GRAPHENE backup system a stainless steel, 2-part solution that splits the key into two plates stored separately. So even if someone finds one plate, they can’t recover anything from it. No dependency on third-party cloud storage, no open attack surface. It’s built exactly for your kind of use case long-term security with no compromise.

lovetradingcrypto

I spread across multiple. Hot wallet for small spending or DeFi, cold wallet for serious holdings. For cold storage I use NGRAVE ZERO since it stays fully offline and doesn’t connect via USB or Bluetooth. Keeps my main stack isolated from any connected device.

lovetradingcrypto

If you’re thinking long-term (10+ years), you might want to consider the next tier of cold storage beyond USB-based devices. NGRAVE ZERO is an EAL7-certified, fully air-gapped hardware wallet the highest security certification in the space. No USB, no Bluetooth, no NFC. Only QR communication. Built in Belgium.

zevenster8

How do people even downvote this? They obv have done ZERO research. $POWSCHE is going places!

SpendHefty6066

Buy at $690k then panic sell at $420k. Because it will be going to zero. TO ZERO!!!

johnso21

I have a very high net worth. I am 90% BTC and 10% real estate. I currently hold essentially ZERO stocks/bonds.

muchmoneysuchmoney

ZERO

malte_brigge

>Imagine these folks back in the day encountering the internet? "ITS GOING TO ZERO!" Paul Krugman, who managed to win a Nobel Prize in Economics while being the midwittest of midwits, once committed in print to the notion that the internet's impact on society would be no greater than that of the fax machine. And he just went on writing for the NY Times and people continued to take him seriously as if that wasn't the all-time biggest opinion L of the 21st century. To modify a famous quote: the midwits will remain irrational while you and I become ever more solvent.

Massive_Branch_2320

Whats interesting is one guy was yelling at me saying the original promise of btc was "insane returns" and me daring to question that thesis by showing the white paper was somehow blasphemous. I mean, sure, at the moment BTC is acting like GOLD did before it acted like a "stable" currency. But BTC never promised anything other than verifiable transactions and ownership of an asset in the digital space // cannot be duped etc. I don't get why its so hard to get that without gaslighting us with tulip lore. Anyway, glad Im on this sub. I cant believe the animosity they have towards people that were able to make big positive change in their life outside a rigged system. How dare we find an alternative! Imagine these folks back in the day encountering the internet? "ITS GOING TO ZERO!"

yoobermcruber

Zero! Zero! Bitcoin is going to ZERO!

sonicode

I agree! When will this scam end?!?!? I can't believe it hasn't gone to ZERO yet! (the USD and all other fiat currencies that is...)

27_crooked_caribou

I have just heard the TOTAL LOSER Federal Reserve Chair JEROME POWELL has finally stepped down. I am pleased to accept his nomination for his seat at the head of the table, AS IT SHOULD BE AND SHOULD ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. I look forward to incredible growth and the most beautiful economy this world has ever seen. What is your favorite number? Mine is probably ZERO!!!!!!!! Thank you for your attention to this matter.

tomsmac

I wouldn’t buy that using YOUR money. Thanks to the Supreme Court Trump has immunity and even though it’s not an official presidential act he wiggles out of everything. Theres ZERO doubt that this ETF will close claiming bankruptcy where $Billions disappear into the ether. (no pun intended) I used the philosophy of “Everything Trump touches dies” when he IPO’ed Trump media. Shorted it from $66 to $19 and made a small fortune.

niilsb

Absolutely not. Bitcoin is going to ZERO. FUCKING ZERO.

IndependentOk9435

Absolutely garbage take by someone who has ZERO understanding. No wealthy person is keeping hold of assets and not selling. You sell a portion at periods of unsustainable growth, then reinvest those profits. I bought my first bitcoin 2014. First sell at 13k in 2017 (after it hit its all time high). Reinvest those profits into stock, then sold and bought back into bitcoin again at 3k in 2019. Rinse and repeat in 2021. Rinse and repeat December last year (sold at 96k, bought back in at 87k in April). That’s what people actually building wealth are doing.

SpendHefty6066

Yep. It already crashed to $117k. It’s going to zero. To ZERO!!!

lovetradingcrypto

If your priority is true cold storage and long-term peace of mind, you’ll want to look deeper than just brand recognition. \- Trezor is widely known, but it’s USB-connected and not fully air-gapped a step removed from pure cold storage. \- Tangem is convenient, but it’s NFC-based and reliant on your smartphone. You’re still introducing a hot element into the flow. If you’re serious about Bitcoin security, look for, 100% offline signing (no Bluetooth, no USB, no NFC), EAL7-certified OS (the highest security certification in the world, No private key exposure, ever (even during setup) That’s where truly air-gapped, QR-based wallets like NGRAVE ZERO stand apart. Designed in Belgium. Manufactured in Europe. No attack surface, no compromises.. You want the Coldest.

AdMore3126

yeah and insurance companies 'agree to pay' on losses that should be covering (health or car, house, etc.) yet they weasle their way out if paying ALL THE FUCKING TIME. SCREW THEM A MILLION TIMES OVER. i have ZERO sympathy for any of these huge scams of companies. they deserve whatever comes to them

AdMore3126

disagree. i would have ZERO problem stealing from an insurance company thats for damn sure. banks, hospitals, insurance, credit card companies, they all prey off the weak (financially) citizens. they are scum. they steal from us every single day. again i will say, SCREW THEM

Objective-Win7524

It was a horrible investment. Never sell you BTC for buying a property which price is GOING TO ZERO. Better to rent and pay off the rental each month, which will also go to zero in BTC, so you will pay less every month.

CasualRedditObserver

Let me put it this way. Air molecules are "randomly" distributed throughout the room you are in. Those air molecules also move "randomly" as they bounce around. There are many, many, many distributions of those molecules that result in there being enough oxygen molecules next to your breathing holes that you can survive. There are FAR less distributions of the exact same quantities of each molecule type that result in all the oxygen molecules being together in one corner of the room such that you suddenly asphyxiate and die. The ONLY reason you can breath is because you haven't randomly encountered one of those highly unlikely "possibilities". In my understanding of the word "possible", it really isn't possible (in human terms) for a person to asphyxiate simply due to an unfortunate random distribution of oxygen molecules in a room that has adequate overall oxygen. Sure, if you use enough zeros in your decimal, you could calculate a non-zero mathematical probability of that asphyxiation, but a reasonable person isn't realistically going to consider that to be a "possibility". As humans, when we say something is "impossible", we rarely (if ever) distinguish between a probability of exactly ZERO and a very, very, very small mathematical probability.

styrax_japonica

That’s you making a whole lot of assumptions about me with absolutely zk about me, which is impressively even less than you have about Bitcoin. For starters, I’m not a financier, and while I’m very tech literate in this area, I’m not a coder. I’m first and foremost an ETHICIST, and secondly, by trade, a Strategist. I’m a true and proper Utopian, so trust that my set of reasons and values are not at all the crypto stereotypes you’re suggesting (and btw, the stereotypes have basically ZERO resemblance to actual “crypto values”). I’m for widespread liberation and human thriving, not personal profit. Nobody convinced me to be here; I did my learning and made an informed decision. Next, I’d never characterize myself as a Bitcoiner, precisely because its skeumorphism to gold is limited, and so ultimately it has to survive/thrive based on its own myth and cache rather than actual utility within living economies. Bitcoin was not intended to be some one true coin/currency. It’s truly, supremely excellent at what it does (which is not much, and at least Gold is going for the style points), and it’s an excellent stepping stone to far more exciting, liberating, and equitable things. Nothing more, nothing less. It absolutely has and is enhancing the world. If you don’t know how or why, that’s fine, but your lack of knowledge doesn’t imply a lack of reason. I say you know nothing about bitcoin, because firstly you talk about it as though its the only thing out here of any consequence, as though it dictates or at least informs all other things in cryptospace, and secondly, because the first thing anyone should know about bitcoin is that you do NOT sell your bitcoin. Ever. Let alone “like it’s your job.” If thats how you understand things, and you cant name any of the important use cases of crypto and Web³, then for one, you likely have a pretty enfranchised and privileged existence, I’d warrant likely somewhere in the West too, and ultimately there’s definitely a LOT MORE out here for you to learn even the very first things about.

ItzEnoz

thank! swap went smooth, if someone wanna safe fees: ZERO50-C9Z2M4

Soft-Stress-4827

Look bro its not about the numerator its about the denominator. Fiat is going to ZERO which pushes btc to INFINITY .  Simple as that 

kyleleblanc

Wrong. The correct answer is ZERO. There simply is no amount of fiat currency anyone could ever pay me for my Bitcoin, both now and in 2035. You could cut down every single tree on the planet, turn it into paper and print currency on it and the answer is still the same. Are you getting it yet?

One_Produce_6951

yep and its going to ZERO

Cold-Operation-4974

i want several acres of land and guns and gold bars and a selection of 90s and 2000s automobiles. preferably in a mountainous region within half an hour from a walmart and mcdonalds. what i buy and sell to get there doesnt matter much. i dont really see the point of OWNING shares of Apple over investing in AAPL through a traditional brokerage platform. *(yes i realize that blackrock and fidelity and vanguard get all the voting power to control the corporations and thus control the planet. i never believed BTC was going to change that. i honestly believe BTC was made by the CIA to buy the USA another century of hegemony and give the secret banking families that control the planet more time to take over the world's supply of GOLD because there will be less upward pressure on the price of gold due to all the demand that will shift to BTC. banks have been and will continue to take over the world and governments will continue to do whatever it is banks want as has been the case for the past 500 years. i dont think this ends until jesus comes out of the sky to defeat his enemies. am i crazy. sure. i also bought BTC at $7k and i'd like to learn more about this cold storage thing. but its a bit confusing.)* the same thing goes for gold and bitcoin... though i could see a future where i might want to keep a portion or all of my gold holdings in physical coins buried in the woods... i cannot see a situation where i need to do the same with bitcoin in other words. i see a .0001% chance of a zombie/nuclear/weimar/electromagnetic disaster bringing us to a world where guns and bullets and gold coins reign supreme. it would be very convenient to be holding a box full of gold coins and not GLD shares that are entirely gone. poof. i see a 0% chance of my bitcoin or stocks being useful in that scenario. if the US stock market goes to ZERO... its because there are aliens blasting us with lasers and bioweapons and the only safe places to live are in caves... so BTC in a cold wallet is as useless as BTC on the coinbase platform or BTC in a fidelity ETF.

coffeeshopcrypto

I'll look into this but I want ZERO loans in my life

boringpretty

Your opinion is not only demanding but you added ZERO value to the conversation. Can't waste my time with LOW IQ.

Muckle674

Open a revolut account. Then a revolut x account. Bank transfer to revolute = no hassle then buy your btc on revolute x for ZERO fee before transferring to your cold wallet. Simples. Revolute even less you setup a virtual debit card that all9ws you to buy from your btc stack like you would normal currency. My join up link is this if you feel like spreading the love.. Sign up with my link below: https://revolut.com/referral/?referral-code=paulwxz1!JUN2-25-VR-GB&geo-redirect

bathgate5

best thing about it ... the us dollar will go to ZERO before bitcoin will

TrippyReddits

Fastest way to get 1 BTC ? From a person that knows ZERO about bitcoin ? 😂