ZERO

ThereIsNoGovernance

Yawn... Quantum Computers are not ANY THREAT TO CRYPTO. They are a measure of how much legacy finance fears Crypto. QC is an ABSOLUTE pipe dream and you are GULLIBLE AF if you think they are a threat. QC cannot reliably factor a number greater than 15 and it doesn't even do that very well. They are, in effect, glorified random number generators that have ZERO future in computing. Already an utter failure continuously making flip promises that will NEVER be realized. Any number of Quantum physicists will assert the verity of what I state and have already hinted at how futile this pursuit is, but that won't stop Google/IBM/China etc. from continuing to use QC as a means of spreading FUD about crypto and the reliability of cryptography in general. As long as there are researchers willing to prostitute themselves in this field for grant money this farce will continue, unfortunately. If you are wise you will just ignore QC. It will eventually just fade away like a nasty fart on the wind.

Few-Engineering9803

You literally have ZERO subs. You'll get nowhere with this lazy copy paste crap already done a million times by other random Indian scammers. Fishing for views on Reddit is the very definition of low effort, admitting it is even worse.

redspikedog

That "it's going down to ZERO! Room! Like that"

balls2hairy

My businesses have all been relatively successful. One fizzled out because I got busy with school and handed it off to friends. The other I ran for 9 years before the industry got regulated out of existence. Again, you have ZERO idea of what you're talking about. It's obvious you've never started a business. It honestly sounds like you're a child and don't know how personal finances work when you're supporting yourself.

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Academic_Attorney996

EVERYTHING is going to ZERO against Bitcoin. Let's that sink in.

never_safe_for_life

Pepperidge Farm remembers when he claimed he was heading to Washington to work with the new administration, then jack-shit ZERO came out of it. I might have even proclaimed I'd eat my left nut if anything came out of it months ahead of time. Because Charles is a con man and a liar. What's funny is the ADA fanboys sucking up every drop of shit that comes out of his mouth.

Aggressive-Ship2270

I buy every Wednesday night through CashApp. If you set up direct deposit with them you can put a % of your check for ZERO FEE’s!!! This is how I DCA. I will buy BTC through an exchange if there are there are big dips. Other than that, I don’t worry about the price. Just keep stacking😎

Daddyofseven

You know it's the end when the people were trying to rid from the financial markets embrace you. Crazy how our government continues to steal, sorry, i think they said "seize" Venezuela btc. We just stole 600k bitcoin from the people of Venezuela. That should be returned to all of the Venezuelans who have been screwed for 20 years. Super simple, anyone who hasn't worked or benefited from those commie fuqs should be given an equal portion. Give ZERO to the government (they can beg other governments) send ALL (every fuggin sat we stole) to the citizens who worked and were robbed by their government. That country would be back running in a month.

NoiseAgile1322

bro that bus had ZERO chance of stopping that train xD

ankokudaishogun

> I still think x% rewards via credit cards would outweigh this argument for most people. Again your bias is showing :) We don't really have them, especially because BY LARGE here we use Debit Cards, not Credit Cards. They never took off because the high base-cose for buyers: people had no reason whatsoever to pay a (perceived)substantial fee for *POTENTIALLY* get it back *IF* you spend enough. Do note being in debt(and using a credit card is getting yourself in debt) is vastly seen as a Not-Good thing. Generally speaking, credit cards in Europe always been a thing for rich people and larger businesses. Even *DEBIT* cards weren't really a thing until Internet made paying with them a necessity. And even *then* it was Pre-paid Debit Card first because people were(rightfully) wary of scams(the Italian Post Office made *mad money* by offering their own, unlinked to any bank account) By the time Credit Cards Cashbacks could have been a thing in EU, the sector was already regulated tightly to keep banks and merchants from being assholes so there is now *no margin* for them to offer all the cashback services they offer in US... and nobody cares because cards are perceived as a abstraction tool for paying with your money so less costs are involved better is for everybody. Therefore as long as the Consumer has no *hassle* in using D€ instead of another circuit, there is no reson for them to not use it. Actually, there is another reason, possibly the biggest, from the consumer side: ZERO COST WITHDRAWAL from *any* ATM in the whole Eurozone. Because withdrawing from ATMs not from your bank can have a variable cost *ESPECIALLY* outside your country(as you'll be forced to use the visa\mastercard circuit). Sure, it's usually a relatively small cost when it's applied(at least inside the same country) but not having to worry about it anymore at the one-time "cost" of setting up the D€ account? YOU BETCHA tons of people will do it.

biba8163

> Such a dumb comment that will age like milk...remind me how stupid you are in 3 years Let me remind you that 8 years ago in December 2017, dummies bought the Ripple Scam Narrative, and were dumb enough to believe banks all over the world would soon be using and buying up XRP which would drive XRP to $10 in 2018. XRP is lower today than it was in December 2017...8 fucking years ago. > **$10 xrp is quantifiable based on tangible assumptions** without speculation given the 5 tr dollars of x-border settlements, the 27 tr dollars locked up in nostro accounts alone. It also enables 95% of the 11000 banks on the SWIFT network to transfer peer to peer instead of proxying cross border through the mega-banks. > XRP can do a lot of good...! Fiat is debt based... mainly issued to governments and we all pay the interest. We are paying bong debt via put taxes for $27 trillion which is locked up... without getting benefit... xrp can release some of that... and that's a good thing... surely **(December 2017, XRP $2.30)** https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/20171231/ https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7mzcld/reminder_ripple_xrp_is_centralized_and_they_can/dry2rn8/ > so much Ripple FUD. so many are mad cause they called ripple centralized yet ripple keeps signing on banks after banks. **Ripple will hit $10 2018 and we will still hear "but XRP is useless" "ripple is a bank coin".** **(December 2017, XRP $2.30)** https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7mxbiq/warning_you_dont_own_anything_of_actual_value/drxlwr2/ January 2018, almost ~8 years ago, this guy realized that XRP was a scam and sold all of this shitcoin. XRP was $3.20 then and it's $1.85 today. https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/20180104/ https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7o6u64/sold_my_all_ripple_after_reading_this_just/ ZERO demand. Zero Usage. 100% Token Dump Scam. This is why this shitcoin is below 2017 prices. **1.8 Million XRP burned per year!** | Market Conditions | Daily Burn Range (XRP) | Annual Burn Estimate (XRP) |-------------|------------------------|-----------------------------|--------| | Typical / Avg Year | ~5,000 XRP/day | ~1,800,000 XRP/yr | Mid-Usage Recent Year | 3,000–4,000 XRP/day | ~1,100,000 – 1,500,000 XRP/yr | Low-Activity | 400–750 XRP/day | ~146,000 – 274,000 XRP/yr | Very Low Activity | ~700 XRP/day | ~255,000 XRP/yr **2.4 BILLION XRP dumped per year!** | Year | Total Escrow Released | Approx. XRP Sold/Distributed |------|------------------------|-------------------------------|-------------| | 2018 | ~12,000,000,000 XRP | ~2,400,000,000 XRP | 2019 | ~12,000,000,000 XRP | ~2,400,000,000 XRP | 2020 | ~12,000,000,000 XRP | ~2,400,000,000 XRP | 2021 | ~12,000,000,000 XRP | ~2,400,000,000 XRP | 2022 | ~12,000,000,000 XRP | ~2,400,000,000 XRP | 2023 | ~12,000,000,000 XRP | ~2,400,000,000 XRP | 2024 | ~12,000,000,000 XRP | ~2,400,000,000 XRP | 2025 | ~12,000,000,000 XRP | ~2,400,000,000 XRP

Few-Engineering9803

The people doing leverage is the exact reason why we are hovering in this range to begin with. Hint: It's Wintermute and Binance doing their thing again. ZERO regulation on wash trading etc.

SpontaneousDream

Better entries!? Bro, these coins are all going to ZERO. Sell everything NOW for BTC.

RunningThroughSC

In my family, we all draw names for who buy a gift for so you only buy/get one gift. We set a soft $100 limit on the gift. Most of the gifts given are probably in the $50-$75 price range. Anyway, the cousin that drew my name (Her name is Shannon...yeah I'll call her out) gave me a pair of "gag" socks with poop emojis on them and an Amazon gift card. We all laughed, and the other cousins continued opening their gifts. Fast forward to this past Saturday. I needed some filament for my 3D printers. I thought that this would be the perfect opportunity to use that gift card that Shannon gave me. So, I went to Amazon, added the filament to my card, and proceeded to the checkout. I went to add the card to the payment screen, and it had a ZERO balance. Needless to say, I was not happy. I sent Shannon a text in hopes that it was a mistake. She just texted back a laughing emoji and said that she had forgotten to buy anything, so she just gave me a card she found in her wallet...

goldenbuyer02

Their usefulness may drop sharply? It's ZERO dude, an emerald has no usefulness in my home if I cant sell it. Maybe I can use it to crack nuts if I can't find a hammer handy. For Microsoft and Google, do you read what you write? Do you say that they have value because they have offices and buildings? What do you write? 4.5 trillion companies with their value being entirely in the software they sell and you write that their buildings have value that if they were sold they would be worth a few billion? What would Google and Microsoft do if there was no internet tomorrow. Explain to me how exactly these companies would continue to be worth 4.5 trillion. Would they sell used offices in furniture and house ads? Besides, this argument with equipment is the most childish leap of logic I have seen and the bitcoin miner/bitcoin owner can claim the same, who also has equipment if bitcoin ceases to exist. And?

OhWiseWizard

This, between CRE and zks Midnight literally can not even compete in the market, it simply doesn't have the tech stack to be useful, and having ZERO current adoption and ZERO current security track record in an industry known for (1) being insanely difficult to get builders & users for and (2) requiring the HIGHEST level of security, does not bode well. Cardano died a horrible death due to Charles not understanding the blockchain industry and shitting on Chainlink for years only to come back around and say "Cardano will die without Chainlink". Let's see if the lesson gets learned with Midnight, but currently zero Chainlink integrations. Midnight is so far just another basic L1 launched by people who are either completely out of the loop in terms of what's needed to compete in this day and age, or, more likely, people who are completely disingenuous scammers who do not give a fuck about anything except using it to enrich themselves further.

OhWiseWizard

There is quite literally nothing Midnight does that isn't already done across every actually used blockchain with zks (which is all Midnight does) and CRE's confidential compute which utilizes TEEs and is actually a better privacy solution for institutions than Midnight could ever be since it can handle identity/KYC/AML. On top of that, Midnight has ZERO proven security track record and may very well experience a number of critical failures before it ever gets off the ground, which it won't because there's zero reason for adoption. It is NOT a "coincidence" Charles Hoskinson launches yet another ensuing ghost chain. This is by design. The main purpose of Midnight is to extract capital from the market into his pockets. Crypto is rife with scammers and this guy is frankly one of the more committed ones. Please be careful with your money.

rl_rae_bobo

Even if it was from $0,001 bro shows he will still have ZERO BTC! 🤷‍♂️

rl_rae_bobo

Like you're the one who introduced her to Bitcoin and you actually hedl ZERO BTC ?

najanator23

How many TPS can Gold do? Answer: ZERO

VitaminDandK12

*"BITCOIN IS GOING TO ZERO!!! YOU HEARD ME!!! ZERO!!! BECAUSE I KNOW GUY! IT ISN'T SOME JAPANESE IN A CAVE" - Dan Peña*

__Ken_Adams__

Are you implying that if bitcoin doesn't maintain a higher appreciation rate than index funds that it ZERO appeal? What about self sovereignty, self custody, privacy, etc?

Saylor_Moonboi

The ENTIRE value proposition of XRP is that banks will eventually use it to do financial transfers, so if absolutely ZERO banks actually use this thing, 10 years in, that is a pretty good sign that either they don't want to, or there is some other problem we just don't know about. The whole point of this post is to question the investment case of the XRP token, and speculating on the lack of any use in the legacy financial system is front and center to any discussion of investment value, since that is the proposed use case, and its just not actually happening !

Pinewatch762

Get a ledger or trezor. Tangem gives you ZERO device transaction verifications. It’s heavily reliant on the Tangem app. With trezor or ledger i can connect to any wallet interface to interact with it.

MatixMint

They can’t spend it because the private key is underneath a security hologram sticker that destroys itself when you peel it to redeem it. Absolutely shred itself. There is ZERO chance of getting it off without destroying the sticker. So if they redeem it, and then send a picture of a peeled, destroyed, redeemed hologram…. Then no, I’m not liable because they obviously redeemed it. This is what I’m talking about. You’re hating on something you have no knowledge of and don’t understand while making huge, incorrect assumptions. But, again, it’s not for everybody.

FrankSlipHelp

My dude, you really are the one who doesn’t understand, you very obviously can not parse the difference between the word is, and the word can. Just because the Chainlink’s oracle is not currently integrated with the XRPL……..DOES NOT MEAN that Chainlink’s oracle can not be integrated with the XRPL. I have repeatedly stated that ‘any oracle can be used on the XRPL because the XRPL allows any oracle to be used’, this is 100% factual. But you being quite the low hanging fruit keep thinking that because Chainlink’s oracle is not currently integrated that means that it can’t, of course it can, any oracle can be integrated into the XRPL as I have stated a dozen times to you Mr. Dense AF. You keep going on about 3rd party data yada yada yada, and it haze ZERO to do with the statement you are ignorantly arguing against. Any oracle can be used on the XRPL because the XRPL allows any oracle to be used. Piss off

No_Pomegranate_3633

The best advice I've personally ever had about Bitcoin is that you should consider it an investment that you buy in over time and cash it out at some time later when you actually need it. It's a savings account that \*CAN\* multiply your money.... same time it could also lose you some (or all) of it. Someone earlier mentioned buying on Strike. Highly recommend. I myself started with crypto about 2 months ago, a friend of mine paid me for something in Bitcoin and I got curious and one thing led to another. Buying on Cashapp or PayPal is huge fees. They can get away with charging the big fees because you trust the big names. Strike on the other hand has the lowest fees of any app i've tried (I'm unemployed and have a lot of time on my hands, I've tried a lot) You can purchase Bitcoin at any time for low fees OR you can actually set up a recurring buy with ZERO fees every week through Strike. From there you can send it to your Cashapp to let it sit there if that's what you would like, send it through lightning and that's almost free, or just leave it in Strike. If you use my invite link you actually will receive 0 trading fees on your next $500 worth of trades and so do I. I don't really buy Bitcoin directly myself so, use it if you'd like or don't, it'll save you some money on direct purchases though. I can DM that to you if you'd like, let me know. One last thing, don't panic sell because Bitcoin is down a few points. It goes up and it goes down. That's the name of the game.

StringNo6144

"girlfriends" should have ZERO say when it comes to your finances. Wife yes, girlfriend no.

JustStopppingBye

Congrats to the xrp buyers who paid for this acquisitios, which has ZERO benefit to the xrp meme token holders. Thanks for playing

chesbenLP

ZERO!

optimaleverage

Even then it wouldn't go to ZERO. Maybe $50 but not zero.

Wanderson90

he was screaming ZERO for each zero that would be added to the end of bitcoins price.

SaltAttic

If people found out it was the CIA who created it, would it actually go to "ZERO!", or no?

ConfectionForward

So knowing who built a functional thing that solves problems makes it's value go to ZERO???? Who know who invented the motor, that isn't ZERO, We know the many people responsible for inventing the light bulb, pretty sure that isn't ZERO, We know who invented the cute to polio, that isn't worth ZERO We know who invented lots of things, but it doesn't take the value of thoes things away.

mcbrite

DUDE it's a fucking meme... Was from the first day, YEARS ago... Will you be able to get over it? Or are you forced to invest akin to fav meme right now? Fin literacy in crypto space is legit ZERO.

mcbrite

You mean 99.9999%, AT LEAST? ZERO SHOT WOULD 99% TRACK.

R4ID

> With a company that just mints coins for their bags whenever they want? https://github.com/XRPLF/rippled/commit/f0e3383856a8923e55b0f10e7822de9031b7159e Here is the code that created the 100 Billion XNS (later renamed XRP) You'll see its dated june 2nd 2012. There have been a grand total of ZERO additional XRP ever created since this date. Ripple Doesnt Mint, create, spawn, mine Any New XRP. They locked up their own funds and what is being unlocked back to themselves is the same funds. You couldnt be more Incorrect in your understanding of BASIC entry level concepts like this.

DirtyThotsDotCom

It's nothing like gambling. People are idiots. The finance world is also filled with idiots. Crypto is pretty predictable. The only way you'll lose money is by pulling money out when you get scared that you're losing it or by buying coins/tokens on a DEX. Buy from a reputable exchange like Coinbase. Don't buy when anything is peaking. Don't buy the trending coins. Whatever is peaking is a bout to fall. If it's 140% 24hr change, in 24hrs it will be -50%. WATCH those gainers for a week. Just watch them. They'll fall, but then they'll come back up higher. People get scared when the price "moves" against them. But if you just wait it out, you'll be fine. If you buy at the peak, you'll watch the value of your investment shrink rapidly before making money on it. People are so stupid, I cannot begin to tell you. You can't buy ANY investment, stocks, bonds, silver, gold, crypto, or whatever, at any random time. You have to plan your entry and exit. Again, people lose money because their stupid, lazy, or greedy. Usually all three. Don't pay attention to financial news. They have absolutely ZERO insight on both the financial world and crypto. They're just as stupid. There is also tons of money to be made on anything when the price is falling. You can make money on stocks and crypto whether the price is moving up or down. I'll say that again: You can make money on stocks and crypto whether the price is moving up or down. Directionality doesn't matter, at all. Only movement does. You can't make money on anything if the price is always the same. Short stocks and crypto when they are top gainers, and long positions on stocks and crypto that are usually at the top, but have fallen into the red. Easy money. DON'T muddy the waters with anything "financial". If anything, study fractals, calculus, geometry and trig.

Impressive-Can-6602

I never said anything of the sort. With banks there are ZERO fees. With Bitcoin there are fees (and its slow.  And it isn't guaranteed in fraud) Taxi for Bitcoin please it is as much use as a chocolate fireguard

Impressive-Can-6602

Doesn't matter how cheap it is - with a bank it is ZERO

Ammarkoo

If you are in crypto because you believe in these "projects" and the future of the crypto then you are in for the wrong reasons. Personally I am in crypto because I know crypto/BTC was created, backed and strictly manipulated by the same people who created and contro our current and future financial systems. Crypto has 3 main tasks. 1- None of the coins you see today will exist in 10 years from now. Today's crypto market is the Trojan horse for the future's 100% blockchain digital financial system ( everything will be tokened even you). 2- Today's crypto market will be the main US debt (T. Bonds) dumping ground via the stable coins. 3 - crypto will work as a black hole for liquidity once the FED lower it's interest rate to almost zero after a black swan event / stock market crash. Crypto will suck most liquidity during the final aggressive USD print. Bitcoin will go to 500k-1 million in the coming few years before going to ZERO it is inevitable and planned. USD T.bonds market collapse ------> stable coins collapse ------> BTC collapse. Only a naive would believe the official BTC story.

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Kontrav3rsi

When I can retire off crypto I’m going to go work at a movie theater or some other job that I have ZERO responsibilities and work part time. I’m out of work now so I’d really like it to hit soon hahah

abking84

Bankruptcy fraud has a five year statute of limitations, but tax fraud has ZERO statute of limitations - whether criminal or civil. Depending on the amount of tax, either guys with guns show up, or you get a 75% fraud penalty that can never be discharged in bankruptcy. Source: I'm a former IRS Revenue Agent and Fraud Technical Advisor.)

Icy-Cellist-1593

ZERO

Amber_Sam

>Tell me…who is the “centralized” entity holding the collateral **Conbase holds the real bitcoin BTC** - they are central authority and can decide in the future to **NEVER GIVE THE BITCOIN BACK TO YOU.** Read the last sentence again, please. #Conbase is holding all the BTC and might, might not, give it back to you. **There's ZERO BTC on the Morpho protocol.** Only a shitcoin, created by a central authority. Conbase issues and sends a wrapped shitcoin - cbBTC to this morpho protocol running smart contracts. Now go ahead and download my comment because you feel insecure, lol.

Chicken-Shrimpies

Dilution of shares is normal practise though when a company is expanding and has conviction right? Seems kind of subjective matter really, only a bad thing if allocation of money is spent poorly. So it’s either you believe in bitcoin continuing to rise and it’s a good thing or you think bitcoin is made of hot air and yes everyone got swindled. EPS has increased and also as mentioned above (or below 🤷‍♂️) money has been set aside for 23months of payments to shareholders both preferred and common. I have ZERO skin in this game so it really doesn’t affect me but seems to be a hot topic at the moment. I take it you lean more that this is a capital raising circle jerk and will plummet when the balloon pops and everyone’s hanging out at the back of a Wendy’s?

beachandbyte

A poorly leveraged BTC ETF is all I really see. It trading above NAV is an anomaly. Not that it can't continue to trade above NAV but usually you would find things trading above NAV where the actual strategy had some level of difficulty in implementation or just getting the equity or assets as a retail trader is difficult or impossible. If the market decides not to pay a premium at some point (which is the reasonable position), it's only real value is whatever BTC it has. Your basically paying a premium per $ of BTC, and for your generosity get a TON of counter party risk. I don't understand the bet at all, as what advantage does he have by being a "bigger player", if anything he is now more vulnerable, and can't move or protect positions with any real level of agility. Any move he takes to protect his position will likely further hurt his position, as it makes the news etc. As a small player you can take on actual leverage, exit and enter positions with ease with no effect on the market. If bitcoin makes some massive move in overnight, you can just stop our or exit a position. It would take bitcoin going to ZERO for you to lose all your money. Basically I can't think of ANY reason someone would choose to buy some MSTR vs just buying some bitcoin.

seambizzle1

Microstrategy had no intention to sell Where are you getting this from? And it’s not Saylors choice as to weather or not his company sells. It’s a publicly traded company, that would take a vote. But again, they have ZERO intention on selling. If you listen to Saylor speak you would know this. We are at a pint now where banks will give u loans against bitcoin. If microstrategy needs cash, they can create more company shares and sell them for cash. They will never sell their bitcoin

Elean0rZ

No doubt BTC is risky and speculative, and its price is substantially inflated by that. I'm certainly not going to argue it's definitely a good investment. At the same time it's odd to say it has ZERO utility and ZERO intrinsic value. Or perhaps that misses the point, because it puts the focus on intrinsic value as if that's the threshold for being valuable at all. What is intrinsic value? Does gold have intrinsic value? Does fiat currency? The value of any financial entity ultimately lies in the degree to which we're confident it will do what it says it will. For real-world economies and currencies, that relates to the underlying regulatory/political/military structures that back and secure them. Remove those, and the pieces of paper are worth essentially nothing. For gold it relates first to its shininess, later and more significantly to its scarcity, and much more recently to certain practical use-cases in tech, dentistry, etc. Discover the motherlode, mine an asteroid, or develop a superior material for tech applications, and gold's value will plummet. In BTC's case, it's the most reliable *decentralized* means we currently have to *securely* and *trustlessly* send *provably scarce* units of digital value around the planet from user to user, and that's thanks to the very real network infrastructure that secures its ledger. To put it another way, we can be highly confident--relatively more confident than with other similar decentralized trustless networks--that when we send units of digital value around on the BTC network, they will go where they were directed and be there when we come back for them later. Whether that's worth $100K/BTC is very much open to debate, but it's not worth nothing. It's used and provides non-zero utility, and therefore non-zero value, to its users every day. BTC is backed by something real--its physical network and its ledger--and it provides something real--its reliable, actually-used function as a means of moving digital value around. In that sense you can argue it has intrinsic value as much as you can argue the same for e.g. fiat. But more generally, intrinsic value simply isn't the only kind of value that's, well, valuable. BTC doesn't need other features to be useful. You don't need to be able to eat it or make jewelry with it. It's a digital asset, reliably proving digital scarcity, and securely moving units of digital value across borders. That's it, and you can argue it isn't "enough", but it's definitely something.

jordygrant1

incorrect. If it hits 60K they have ZERO, becuase liquidation they arent beeting 30MIL, theyre betting the entire 90MIL if BTC goes to 60K.

StillPugginAround

“Glum”, please re-post this in a year when Bitcoin is hovering around $10k. You’ve been warned…. Bitcoin has ZERO intrinsic value. And since your post was a word salad of partial financial terms, please look up the definition of “intrinsic value”. 👌

JamestotheJam

My point is, if something was all THAT great, it wouldn't take MORE THAN A DECADE to notice! And ZERO banks have adopted XRP to date. ZERO. Let that settle in.

Immediate-Cow-6183

Because bitcoin is inherently worthless it will in the next 3 to 5 years crash to ZERO. Get out while you can my brothers!!

rocket_beer

Nope Fiat was used here. They hold zero custody of any btc. ZERO Learn about what an ETF bro

rocket_beer

Nope Fiat was used here. They hold zero custody of any btc. **ZERO** Learn about what an ETF bro

grndslm

I'm surprised how few people here actually understand how fiat currency works. Literally ZERO depositor money is used to provide loans.  Every signature loan from a bank generates FRESH DEBT and the Federal Reserve and FRESH CREDIT to expand the supply.  Debt == Growth.  But it's all built on a lie that they had it to offer I in the first place.  The real trick is that we're all playing musical debt notes, because this system won't last forever.

grndslm

I'm surprised I had to read this far down to find this comment. Almost everybody has NO CLUE how fiat currency works.  Literally ZERO depositor money is used to provide loans.

CartoonistCandid6322

a friend said it will go to ZERO ! 🎉

Strange_Agent489

Getting off the ZERO is a big thing. All the best 👍

JoseVrewar

It'll go to "FU#KING ZERO!" -Dan Peña.

FollowAstacio

Here you go you little whiner. I don’t owe you this especially after you did ZERO research of your own and then acted entitled to it from someone else. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1067983/000095012324011775/xslForm13F_X02/36917.xml Now go back to your mother’s basement and get back to your incel activities as usual

Notrustjustverify

1. “No one to buy” is wrong because when these big wallets sell price witnesses a massive drawdown and this is where smart money accumulates (institutions).  2. Liquidity is not less. If that was the case it would be impossible for you to sell your BTC at $15,000 which many people did during the previous cycle bottom thinking BTC would plunge to 3k. 3. Not scary when investing in the market? Some of the biggest names in their respective industries like Kodak, Lehman Brothers went to ZERO in a single day to never come back again. What is to that another huge company considered “healthy and safe to invest in” cannot fall? 4. He didn’t ask this but a good mention from your end: every company profits you see on stocks is in dollars, if dollar is to plunge (which it is, and will even harder once the countries fully move away from it like Russia, China, India and some South American countries are) the profit will just be a digit on the screen. BTC? If you’re ever selling you’ll redeem it for any currency you want, and you will be smart enough to redeem it for the strongest one in that time.  Wishing you a good day/evening. Happy stacking. 

JackedUpNGood2Go

Lol you bitcoin fuckbois are hilarious. My 401k is up 60% in 2 years. My stocks bonds and even funds CHOSEN FOR ME BY FIDELITY are up. Year over year. Without fail. My dollar has been steady. Why are you buying fake bullshit with ZERO VALUE again? Oh right so you can gamble on stake lollllllsjrbeixjsnrjfjsiejdj

Cautious-Lecture-858

Are you serious? Have you seen the market the last few days? There’s absolutely ZERO liquidity. The whale is panic selling because something’s obviously coming.

Arijan101

I think that literally any exchange can freeze all your assets and cancel your account any time for my reason. So there's literally 0 ZERO sense in switching to stablecoins which also come with a variety of other risks, including but not limited to: de-leting from the $, partial or total collapse. You think cold storage is safer? Think again. Wallets are constantly depleted via phishing schemes, hacks, honey bating, malware....not to mention your address is public and visible to the authorities and can be frozen at their request. Hard wallets also come with plenty of risks. So yeah...all in all not a great idea.

Benzo_Head

During this bullrun there was ZERO euphoria because so many retail investors got crushed in 2021 and decided to leave the market forever. Doesn’t help the fact that 99% of altcoins are a game of hot potato and they have zero use cases in the real world

biba8163

2015-2017 buys = townhouse - 2018-2019 buys = house - 2020 buys at 790% - 2023 buys at 280% ZERO leverage!

iMAM_MAHDi_313

Sell before it reaches ZERO [https://x.com/pi_om_2025/status/1990701450691842186?s=46](https://x.com/pi_om_2025/status/1990701450691842186?s=46)

luso_warrior

Bitcoin are going to ZERO

Alberto1931

All fiat is going to ZERO! Keep that in mind. The world is digital. Is there a Coin that is digital, decentralized, open, secure, bounded by energy, completely scarce that is a protocol? 🧐 . Got it, BITCOIN 😎

Particular_Gap_6724

Think about how you would be if you were a whale.. If you were gonna buy you'd say you're selling everything.. If you were gonna sell, you'd say you were buying everything.. This isn't new, We've had stocks and shares advisors in trouble before for going on tv and saying that something is headed to ZERO while their company is buying the shit out of that dip.

stoneman9284

Yep looking at Coin Glass and ZERO of their 30 peak indicators are flashing

Escapement_Watch

4 year cycle has never existed. It just coincides with the business cycle. Do you believe crypto is run on a time limit....or runs on liquidity and money flow? what makes more sense? With QT starting, rates dropping and money printing 2026 should be a green year. Also, crypto's doesn't 'accidently' go to ZERO TWICE and magically recovers... it happens because someone is buying all the supply and tell you that it is dogshit.

freakythrowaway79

Same here but with RIVER & ZERO transaction fees, weekly buys. I've to set-up my dip buys soon too. I'm still playing with savings portion and getting 3.5% apt & free sats. So far so good no major red flags.

AltrntivInDoomWorld

> I see ZERO significant news to indicate a link to the drop United States Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has formally announced the launch of a US military operation to target so-called “narco-terrorists” as Washington’s large-scale build-up of troops, warships and fighter jets continues in Latin America. “Today, I’m announcing Operation SOUTHERN SPEAR. Led by Joint Task Force Southern Spear and @SOUTHCOM, this mission defends our Homeland, removes narco-terrorists from our Hemisphere, and secures our Homeland from the drugs that are killing our people,” Hegseth said in a post on X.

saltytrader_

It’s broader. Stocks dumping too. I see ZERO significant news to indicate a link to the drop. Other than artificial manipulation to scare retail out for discounts. I just think there’s a reason. It might be because it’s clearly going to rocket very soon and they want to force a discount

Total_Special_77

Going to Zero….ZERO.

ah-hum

I do, that's why I don't bet my savings on Twitter advice. I read the charts, research second, third and fourth opinions, learn about the state of economy, crypto, technology, try and understand the macro outlook of society at large over the course of the next decade and century. And when I look at all that after having made and lost money in past cycles, leveraged and spot, via blockchain or etf, I can say a few things that help me: 1 - I'm always prepared for everything to tank and my life go on the same until the market returns. I do not depend on any of my investment money, nor do i put the money I depend on into crypto. 2 - there are no sacred cows, no dogmas. Even though everyone says HODL, that doesn't mean you shouldn't take some profits every 20% jump (adjust accordingly for yourself) to have some dry powder to buy up market dips below your average, but you dont have to, and if you're fidgety with trading, id lock away some amount beyond easy reach, like a cold wallet in a safe, which you can easily send new crypto purchases to, but think twice before trading. Hodling outperforms bad trading. However, in my case I recently discovered I enjoy taking btc and eth profits at peaks with -10% buybacks. If it pulls back, I extracted some profits while keeping the same amount of asset or I gained more of the asset for no extra cost. If it doesn't pull back (yet) then I say thanks for my gains and don't cry over lost potential, as it was an insurance policy when I didn't know which direction the market would go in. Anyway, you may need some extra cash and may want to increase your uninvested safety net. 3 - there are a lot of expensive errors and unknowns, but you can only learn from them if you allow them to be lessons, not flaws, and you persistently train yourself and hone your approach. Be careful and diligent, use orders, read charts and support/resistance lines, utilize stop losses when taking big risks or when you're confident of a market turnaround once a partivular floor is broken. 4 - keep records. Date, amount, fee (total cost with fees = cost basis) and coin pair(s) involved. Be prepared to estimate your taxes owed before reinvesting any gains so that you can pay the estimated tax debt immediately and avoid late fees, but also file a tax extension so you're less likely to be audited and hire an accountant to file for you. If you want to avoid this, never trade, just buy and hold. You wont have to worry about anything until you make a sale or a swap 5 - utilize every tax deduction possible and make ZERO mistakes. One big, easy way to reduce your tax bill while making smart financial decisions is to contribute to a Traditional IRA an equal amount to what you earned in capital gains. This will counteract it, but only up to $7000/year. Other deductions can come from selling any crypto at a loss and immediately buying back in. This will not work with stocks, but those losses do count against your gains in crypto, at least pushing the tax burden down the road until you sell again. 6 - as you earn gains, hold onto them until the market is in extreme fear, and then DCA in with large-ish amounts while things are cheap. Then set some sell orders for those at medium and extreme high expectations, as well as small amounts every +20% (maybe only selling 5-10% of your bag each step of the way if you're bullish). 7 - lastly, keep your peace of mind. Know your risks, improve your skill, stay calm, enjoy some profits if you could use it in life. Have fun.

AU-n-Time

People are so broke they aren't putting that $2k in BTC. What a stupid idea that is!! Fix f'ing healthcare premiums and cost, that would really free up some money for millions of Americans and have a massive positive trickle down affect. Millions of Americans will have their healthcare premiums literally skyrocket!! A $2k check is a complete joke, do they think people are that stupid? Rural hospitals are already closing and that will only escalate. Think of the negative domino affect that has on the rural communities these medical centers serve. Millions will not be able to afford their health insurance premiums and be forced to drop coverage. Medicaid recipients will start to lose coverage in the millions as well. It's a giant cluster F--K!!! This mess has been 100% orchestrated by folks that look only to their own agenda and that is to keep their political job. They vote against the constituents that got them in office in the first place, America LAST is what is going on. This is going to change, Americans that supported the dictator are starting to see the forest through the trees. Even some of the R's that have had their lips stitched to the ass of the dictator can't ignore some of the outrageous things that are happening. The only thing that will stop this is when the dictator no longer has the power to prevent their re-election. The real tragedy is that these horrible politicians 100% know the dictator is an insane, unbalanced, lunatic yet they still smoke the root of the "king". They are nut-less, spineless, jellyfish of people, Plecostomus fish feeding on the scum building up on the glass of the aquarium. Those fish serve a better value than the politician scumbags smoking the kings joint! If you haven't already figured out that this administration has ZERO interest in helping America you soon will. This administration doesn't give a rats ass about Americans, it an AMERICA LAST, SUPPORT THE RICH movement, full stop!

PreviousAvocado9967

2 thing are clear to me. Trump has no idea how health insurance plans work nor how critical the premium tax credits are in the 2 largest red states (50% of all Obamacare members) Trump has absolutely ZERO understanding who is paying the tairffs and the downstream effect on aggregate demand. Nor does he understand that trade wars trigger de-dolarization, reduce Japan and Chinas share of U.S. bonds held (the two countries cover 100% of the annual budget deficit), that trade with China is done in dollars both in and outgoing which allows to manipulate our currency to lower their prices and raise our exports, and that we flip their billions imports for trillions in taxable revenue

Prgla

I don't know why people wait for someone to tell them buy BTC or sell your BTC!!!! If you are doing moves on BTC because of what others are saying, then don't get into it in the first place... I have 5 yes 5 BTC since 2015 and I was told roughly about 3467 times it's time to sell before it goes to ZERO!!!! Guess what not even a single Satoshi was sold or moved from my cold wallet, coz I know what I want and when I want it. And yes now that you know I have 5 BITCOINs fuck you scammers I don't fall for any email or DM. My point is ignore what institutions or people like Cramer say and do your research. Thank you for your attention.

Budget_Eye5861

FYI: a new all-time low = ZERO

Sea_Implement4018

I have had my taxes prepared since goofing around with crypto. Professional tax preparer adds up all profits, then subtracts all losses. One line per whatever mechanism was used to make the transactions. For example, compute total gain or losses trading on LOLCOINZ trading platform and that result is one line. Do the same for HobinRood, Donkey Trades, etc, and all platforms. Yes, it costs me about 100 bucks per trading venue, but ZERO issues with I.R.S. or any other government entities since 2017. I am not a tax preparer. However, I have a great relationship with the person who is and walk through this with her every year because it makes life easier for both of us. 2021 was especially nuts with 100s of trades. I.R.S. just wants to know where, how much total, and profit or loss totals.

ilfollevolo

I chickened out of buying 100 BTC at $6 because the website looked so sketchy. Even if I bought there would have been ZERO chances of my holding it, I would have sold at $60

Beaesse

If you stacked "phat" sats since 2013, you'd be proper rich have ZERO difficulty getting anything you wanted. Rich people don't need jobs and therefore often don't have jobs. There is nothing to explain if you simply drop the cash.

Disastrous_Week3046

Newsflash. All of Crypto has ZERO fundamentals

J-96788-EU

ZERO

Plus_Confidence3701

Y’all are all going to be bankrupt..BTC IS GOING TO ZERO..RUN FOR YOUR LIFE

e07f

what if we start spiraling down? TO FUCKING ZERO???

Agreeable-Cat8077

I see ZERO reason to be invested in it if you arent willing to sell and take advantage of the dips. Just trading 1-2% dips on 25k is more than most people make in a year

biba8163

> Almost every indicator I look for a healthy project is present with Vechain. Every indicator in a Scam is present with Vechain. (Copy pasta below of my post from March 2020 https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/fn9zx2/comment/fl8q5it/) Vechain was launched in Nov 2016, basically a failed startup with zero customers and zero revenue. With 2017 came the Bitcoin crypto boom, lots of hype, lots of ICOs raking in money. Vechain decided to do an ICO and also grab dumb investor money with lots of hype as an enterprise supply chain project. https://www.nasdaq.com/article/bitse-launches-blockchain-based-vechain-platform-teams-up-with-pwc-cm715284 Leading the Vechain hype train is its CEO Sunny Lu claiming he was buying as much Vechain as he could for over $4.00 > "I am buying as much I can from open market personally (at $4.00+). Honestly, it's quite private and I did not want to share this before." - Sunny Lu https://i.imgur.com/J4cLKxl.png Shady Vechain strategic advisor CREAM, aka Jackson Fu is also a leading hypeman who himself claims to own and run China's 2nd best performing hedge fund with 2% returns PER DAY. > "Before cryptocurrency I formed my quant hedge fund, it's still there in Shaghai. I am just not running it. *We're the 2nd best in China for 2 years in a row. In terms of steady returns, 2% per day. Not bad." - CREAM aka Jackson Fu Strategic Advisor to Vechain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juGWpVLPGHg&t=, around 3:30 Their modus operandi is hype hype hype...again, Vechain's strategic advisor: > "Pamp it...VET should be $1 by Sept 1st (2018)" https://i.imgur.com/h7uqMzW.png Vechain created massive hype saying they would be the most used blockchain in the world on mainnet and had to prepare for trillions of transactions. Here is their CEO Sunny Lu who was buying more Vechain for himself at $4 😂😂😂 > **With trillions of expected transactions**, the VeChainThor Blockchain will continuously collaborate with these security firms for peak performance. As companies continue to onboard post mainnet launch, in due time the VeChainThor Blockchain will be the most heavily used blockchain globally - Vechain Foundation https://medium.com/@vechainofficial/vechains-collaboration-with-slowmist-and-other-private-firms-to-secure-the-vechainthor-blockchain-8ed186c00f17 Sunny Lu brags again...buy buy buy > at mainnet launch, the VeChainThor blockchain will be the public blockchain with the most business activity in the world - Sunny Lu https://medium.com/@vechainofficial/an-open-letter-from-sunny-lu-ceo-on-vechainthor-platform-b52d47cd0efd Jason Rockwood Vechain General Manager also hypes that Vechain will dwarf every other blockchain > When VeChain launches, it will be the most used blockchain in the world. Because of the sheer number of transactions needed to enable the IoT data revolution for enterprises like the ones mentioned above, an enterprise grade blockchain needs to be able to massively scale. Currently, the Ethereum blockchain runs about 10 transactions per second. When VeChainThor launches on June 30th, it will be running around 50 transactions per second, probably more. Not because it “can”, but because it has to to keep up with client demand. - Jason Rockwood, General Manager, VeChain Americas ..and of course the price is going to explode because Vechain already has tons of enterprise clients who are migrating from the consortium chain, other Fortune 500 companies that are signed up and like him you should DOUBLE DOWN and BUY MORE!! > there are numerous other clients, both enterprise and governmental, that are in development under NDA", that "Fortune 500 companies working to come on board", that "June 30th (2018)...we will begin to migrate over the existing clients from a private chain to a public one", and that "I sleep very well at night knowing how much adoption VeChain will see in the next 12 to 24 months." He said that the prices were so low because "Well, the biggest reason is that we aren’t actually live yet" and that "Now is an excellent time to either hold what you have, or double down and buy more. https://medium.com/@jasonrockwood/hello-friends-7d99a8e48f76 (now deleted) As seen about Vechain's main use case is to hype and pump price. The Thunder, Strength, Mjolnir, X Nodes are not really master or staking nodes and have ZERO purpose but as marketing gimmicks to get investors to buy and hold large bags of Vechain. They also hyped their Authority Nodes and that they're a proof of authority blockchain with 101 active validators who will be putting their identities.....almost 3 years later, there has been no annoucement who the 101 authority nodes are. Again, marketing gimmick. > It is when their identities and reputations are at stake that all the AMs can be held accountable and incentivized to work in the best interest for the networks growth and security https://medium.com/@vechainofficial/defining-the-vechainthor-blockchain-consensus-proof-of-authority-8cf3f51a5fa0 Here are more marketing gimmicks used by Vechain to pump price. Lotteries. You hold while the price drops and you might win in some lottery: https://medium.com/@vechainofficial/one-year-anniversary-and-x-node-binding-lottery-event-51be44dd0738 And Vechain has tons of these lotteries to get you to hold while the price drops: https://twitter.com/vechainofficial/status/1025778761940127745 And don't forget partnerships. Everything is a partnership for Vechain and they have parntnerned with everyone under the sun: Partnered with Oxford University...whoops they deleted that article: https://medium.com/@vechainofficial/the-mathematical-institute-at-oxford-university-joins-vechains-veresearch-program-to-provide-25246284cb02 "Open Partner Program" that is free of charge where companies are encouraged to participate. VeChain has turned this into a "VeChain has been chosen" for a partnership which is a blatant lie. https://medium.com/@vechainofficial/vechain-is-chosen-for-the-ntt-docomo-5g-partner-program-3f89c8d95b40 2,000+ companies attending the Expo in a gigantic mega-complex . This medium article makes it sound like Vechain got a special invitation and DNV-GL specifically asked to demonstrate the ‘‘DNV GL-VeChain Digital Carbon Ecosystem Experience Event" Hype hype hype https://medium.com/@vechainofficial/vechain-showcases-multiple-solutions-at-the-first-inaugural-china-international-import-expo-a855f356a690 Google 10,000 unique cars tracked on Cahrenheit blockchain based ecosystem...lots of hype then, nothing happened, dead link now http://cah.world/#Roadmap There are tons of tons of hyped parnterships...that is nothing but hype. Chinese Tobacco, Bright Foods, Government parterships with VeChain VETTED vaccines saving millions of Chinese children, Renault, BYD, lost track over the years. Anyone Vechain talks to or attends an open conference is a partner. Their closest thing is offering free use of their blockchain which it looks like Walmart China did as POC but nothing more. To this day, there is zero evidence that there is any company that has paid to use the Vechain Blockchain.

whisperedstate

Comparing Ethereum to Veracity is astounding logic. All of the things you've described are happening on Ethereum, it's just that adoption is going to be slow, like all technology adoption curves. Also, ETH is worth 500B. Not sure what people are expecting, but if Ethereum becomes the value layer of the world, akin to the internet being the data layer, then we're only talking a few T in mcap. So realistically Ethereum has a 5-10x left, over a very long period of time, if everything lines up correctly. Veracity on the other hand is a complete shitcoin and ZERO chance of doing anything but making founders and the team rich. There are many many coins just like this. So you're saying "I invested in ETH" to this person as though it's equivalent to their "investment" in Veracity. This person wishes they invested in ETH.

seancollinhawkins

Lol dude, you think TA (literal statistics) is dumb 🤣 most people (including you) dont know math; atleast not linear algebra / upper level stats. Not only that, but you dont understand basic supply/demand? Or is it that you don't understand BTC fundamentals? It's not magic. The BTC God opened his mouth one SATurday and spoke, "Let there be halving". (Why do you think theyre called sats??) There ya go, dude. I explained it to you, and then i put it in language you might understand: A) educationally/logically- (not everyone understands logic, Champ, so don't feel bad!) and B) religiously- Ye of no faith shall spend eternity plagued by your own mental shortcomings. Forever, you will post dumbass shit on reddit about shit you dont know fuck about. You a will then try to argue your point with literally ZERO logic or sense, because youll forever be too dumb to realize that you're a mouthbreather. Forever and ever. Amen 🤓🥸

shadowmage666

There should be ZERO other data on btc other than financial records , PERIOD

Dry-Part4473

adding one more ZERO very soooooonnnn

reddituserxxxxxxx7

Dude. Bitcoin isn’t some get rich quick scheme. There is no such thing and the odds of you finding the 0.000001 stock or get rich quick ticket is virtually ZERO. If you believe in Bitcoin, DCA and stop looking every 5 fucking minutes. It’s an investment. An investment that has performed very well OVER TIME. It’s not gonna go to $1,000,000 over night. Everyone is scared right now. In 6 months it’ll be a whole different story. In 6 years, who knows. In another 6, who knows. Buy the ticket, take the ride. STOP LOOKING. Just auto invest and live your life. Open up the Stocks app on your iPhone. Look at the chart from the beginning: $58,000 -> $35,000 $61,000 -> $38,000 $45,000 -> $20,000 $102,000 -> $80,000 $80,000 -> $125,000 JUST LOOK at the DIPS and EXPLOSIONS. This is nothing. Buy and wait. Imagine how those people feel/felt? Imagine seeing it at $20,000 and selling thinking there is absolutely NO WAY it can go any higher, fast forward a few years, $125,000. ROUGHLY 3 YEARS AGO IT WAS $20,000?!?!! The value of bitcoin isn’t waiting for it to go high then selling it and getting rich off the dollar. The dollar is dying. The value of bitcoin is OWNING bitcoin.

virtuzoso

If it can break Bitcoin, then Bitcoin will be the least of your problems. Credit cards, every single government, every single bank, every nuclear facility will have ZERO digital security