ZERO

Tall_Run_2814

Its a well known scam. If you need actual proof just copy the provided website and paste it into Google. Do you know how many results you'll get back? ZERO. The website is fake. People deposit their money and they see it growing on a screen. When they attempt to withdraw their crypto and turn it into cash they'll be told to pay a tax or a withdraw fee. The scammers will continue to ask for more and more until the scammed person finally catches on and quits. This scam has been around for years. Plain and simply anybody offering you guaranteed returns and/or profits is a scammer. That is not how investing works. There are no guarantees

nyaaaa

Looking at the S21 Imm For 6k or 4k after coupon(?) One month operation = 310 USD Six month operation = 1860 USD Now six months would be 50% operational, even at that you need over 2 years to just get the miner cost, not accounting for any of the housing / utilities / labour etc etc. And 50 % would mean you generate ZERO energy and have perfect 12 hour sunlight every day for 12 months. By which point you could just dismantle your operation. You'd hardly even reach 25%. More realistic is like 4-5 months 1-4 hours a day going with 5 months and 4 hours a day would just be 600 hours. Which isn't even a single month of operation. So realistically, you get 310 USD with a 5k+ investment. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON ABOUT?

DrWiIl

I’m just feeling depressed. Been in since may 2021 and still have ZERO fucking gains

LieutenantZucc

the ethereum etf will have zero inflows and ethereum will crash to ZERO by market close today. billions will die

dwmtl1000s

ZERO. My mortgage is damn cheap money

YWMJ

you can pay $30 on Coinbase for “Coinbase One” which gives you ZERO purchase fees or transfer fees. Simple option

mrjune2040

He’s just trying to reclaim the laser eyes because Biden dropped out, and won’t be using the dark Brandon meme anymore. This has ZERO to do with Bitcoin.

scrufbag

Btc is not immaculate, once quantum tech becomes the norm, short btc to ZERO

analogOnly

"Lost" is measured in what, addresses holding over 10+ years? There is ZERO definitive way to know what's lost vs held. Also, by that notion, wouldn't satoshi's wallet holdings, if it's even correct- I have yet to see proof of this figure, be considered "lost"?

Uzivert-

Make that 100 BTC/ ABSOLUTE ZERO ALTCOINS And if you want stocks, just Micro-strategy and every stock that begins to add bitcoin to their treasury.

BrilliantEffective21

don't invest in random projects and hold for long term. most of these projects will go down to ZERO. and long term is a bad idea, that's just throwing cash into the river. follow market cycle.

eco-overshoot

Bitcoin is going to ZERO 100% sure.

Wsemenske

ZERO

barmz75

I know the guy! When he comes out… ZERO

CRYPTOTILIDIE1959

Prior to the purchase of ANYTHING, do your own research. If you dont know how, that should be a signal that this is beyond your understanding. Educate yourself, then and only then, venture forth with your hard earned money. A friend of a friend who knows a guy has absolutely ZERO skin in your game!

MrRGnome

If you're using a bank you aren't using Bitcoin, gain ZERO of Bitcoin's valuable properties, and will always represent an attack vector. it's a freaking bearer, consensus asset not your gold or your dollars. It's literally how it was designed - to be self custodied and trustless through your node with the consequence of being extremely dangerous to 3rd part custody. Deal with it. It's the freaking code.

TheRealGaycob

Good souls getting German gov off ZERO.

Disastrous_Week3046

Absolutely ZERO chance

yepppers7

Why are we assuming anyone has NO money? Like zero? Someone with ZERO money wont start a business. Nor should they.

el_rico_pavo_real

Billions and billions of people have ZERO exposure, so ANY Bitcoin at this point is a lot.

kibs12kibs12

I cashed out a chunk of crypto 3 years ago to buy a house. At the time I had ZERO intention of selling any crypto but I HAD to come up with a housing solution last minute. Cardano was over $1 at the time. Anyhoo…three years later, house is valued over 30% higher and Cardano is hovering around 40 cents.

Kmart_Elvis

I have ZERO regrets investing in BTC/ETH. I'll take the crazy highs if it means crazy lows. What I do regret is being tunnel visioned and just going all in on crypto this year. I bought NVDA back in January and February and sold it soon after. Now I wonder why I didn't have a balanced portfolio and didn't keep adding to it. Totally missed out on those gains. I guess I was kinda naive thinking it was going to keep going up. I'm still in the game, but I need to take a lesson from Wu Tang and diversify my portfolio.

Lightless427

Stop listening to the FUD about Coinbase. 99.99999999999% of it is completely fake and made up. They are actually AMAZING. I've been using them for 10 years with ZERO issue whatsoever. If Kraken would support Paypal I would use them, but as I require it, they are totally unusable for me

Mark_Yugen

I have 6-figures of crypto sitting in Kraken. Soon I will have ZERO, thanks to this bum.

R4ID

>A for profit company that is trying to get banks and central banks to adopt its currency. Banks and central banks will be the last to adopt crypto and will only adopt something that the masses use. except for the ones using it currently then? what kind of argument is this? Also how does someone using or not using a product make that product a ponzi? I see people throw that word around a lot yet none of them are able to correctly apply it using sound logic or actual evidence. Where is the fraud? The SEC investigated and found ZERO fraud going on, so what are you talking about? >This company only has a billion dollars in cash, has 1100 employees, and the rest of its assets, purportedly 25 billion, is in mostly ripple. ok and? Does IOHK not hold a lot of ADA? does vitalik/lubin/consensys not hold a lot of ETH? what is your argument right now? >So essentially anytime the price goes up they are incentivized to sell Ripple from the balance sheet to help cover cost. it's 2024, it's called XRP, nobody has ever held "Ripple" the crypto. If you cant figure out the most basic of naming conventions Im unable to put any faith in any argument you try to make. >What am I missing here? sound logic, basic reasoning, any actual evidence of fraud taking place, some form of evidence, as basic understanding of the topic and crypto in general. The list of things you're missing to try and form your argument is pretty long.

pieter1234569

> dude is litteraly too big to fail. trump is in your system and you can't let him loose all his money. What the hell are you talking about. Even if Trump FULLY OWNED all of his buildings, that would be an absolutely inconsequential amount of money maxing out at 15 billion. Which is basically nothing at this level. Trump is a very small player, that overleveraged himself and is now at very real risk of ending up with ZERO for the rest of his life, as his creditors will come after him for billions he doesn't have.

BriBumer

Oh yeah the reason is its cheap and it have ZERO user safety systems. For example on account based model you just need to accept ONCE some permission for a trade on any dex. After this you HAVE TO REVOKE your adress. Otherwise you could lose all your funds if the dex will be hacked. Happened many times, and will be happen. Because of the eutxo model of cardano this is not even possible. you have to accept EVERYTIME transaction for example with your ledger or trezor. Moreover Solanas volumes were already faked in the past. In conclusion: Solanas volume is mostly faked or is just som scam bots... Nobody knows if there is some real volume. Not even talking about scandals like, fake max supply (secret wallet), fake TPS, (counting consensus messages), the realy fishy relationship between FTX and Solana and so on and so on....

One-Significance7853

The amount of taxes you should pay when you barter is ZERO.

PovasTheOne

In ideal world we would have exchanges that properly vetted the projects they intend to list on their exchange and had higher standards and exclusivity. Cause now, most exchanges are listing basically whatever. Coinbase will list a shitcoin for their customers to buy and get wrecked, then a year later they will announce that they are going to stop all support of that coin. Further crushing it down and leaving their customers to basically either sell it at all time lows or moving that shit of the exchange to some place else. Exchanges take ZERO accountability for listing absolute trash on their exchanges. Sadly our only hope on some market stability is government regulations on crypto market. But that’s far from ideal, cause government is incompetent af.

eucIib

I’m generally not one to jump to conclusions of conspiracy in most cases, but the way the media pushes negative sentiment regarding crypto is so blatant it’s embarrassing. Whenever you consume media, keep in mind that most of the time it’s coming from people who are literally our opposition in the market. It’s often coming from people with a fuck load of money who want US to lose so THEY can win. They are the people we’re trying to beat, and we just eat up every word that comes out of their mouth. With ZERO hesitation? Is it more reasonable that a billionaire would be looking out for you by giving you their most informed opinion? Or is it more reasonable for them to feed you a narrative which will cause you to respond in a way which benefits their pockets? Not selling, I believe in decentralized currency, going to throw more in every chance I get. Thanks for the discounts tho.

OldAd5925

Journalists have been saying this every two years since 2009. During the bear market period. 2011: "it's the end of Bitcoin!" 2012 (say nothing) 2013 (still nothing) 2014 *goes down* (it's the end of Bitcoin!) 2015 "Bitcoin will crash to zero!" 2016 (say nothing) 2017 (trying to warn people over a "it may be a big scam!") 2018 "BITCOIN WILL GO TO ZERO!! According to """experts""" 2019 "yeah don't get too excited too fast it just goes up a bit it will crash soon" 2020 "DON'T BUY IT'S A SCAM!!" 2021 "Yeah but it's Elon Musk!! He manipulated the market!" 2022 "Elon Musk and Bitcoin are a scam!" 2023 "you should sell now!!" 2024 "be careful it's maybe a scam!!"

Dago_Gent

On question 1: Don’t only look at the cost, select a thrustworthy Exchange. For larger transactions it might be a good idea to split it into chunks of smaller amounts in order to mitigate & spread the risks. On question 2: For the moment N-GRAVE ZERO is the cold wallet with the highest security level (EAL7). Some advice: Also check ‘good advice’ from third parties by doing some checks and own research… Best regards & Success on your investment decisions.

Mr_Hodlerr

Give me an example of something who's founder is not known, never raised venture capital, never backed by an authority and spent ZERO dollars on marketing and became a trillion dollar asset? Bitcoin is the most remarkable experiment and asset till date!

Awkward-Weather2086

Bitcoin is going to zero.. ZERO !! Classic from an obnoxious hater 😤 i watch it and laugh 🤣

NozzlerE2

If you knew who was behind it, you would run away from it as far as you can. Its going to zero. Fucking ZERO!!!

rogpar23

“TO ZERO, BITCOIN’S GOING TO F#(ING ZERO!” is still funny as hell, i watch it from time to time..

el_rico_pavo_real

Regardless of how or when you do it, modern consensus is that having ZERO exposure to Bitcoin is far more risky than have SOME exposure to Bitcoin. Timing the market, something, something….

ECore

It's almost as if reddit locked this at ZERO.

Calcobra94

My brother who has ZERO clue about bitcoin or financial literacy told me I should diversify n not good to put my money into one basket , I ask him where should I put my money in that can double my money in 2 years, he stayed quiet and told me I should not try to tell ppl about Bitcoin and shove it in ppl throat. What a dummy.

Batteryboyd

Your Roth is already invested and growing tax free. There is ZERO reason to pay fines and taxes to cash it out at less than 50% of the current value to buy BTC at the ATH. Buy BTC with fiat and stop worrying about missing out on shit you can't get back anyways.

Rice-Fragrant

A multimillionaire or billionaire using low interest rate debt with their hard assets as collateral to run a business IS VERY DIFFERENT than a peasant debt slave normie WITH ZERO ASSETS living paycheck to paycheck having almost nothing left over because it all went into someone else's pockets.

Rice-Fragrant

I sold 1 entire bitcoin to do the same thing 3 years ago (payed off my mortgage). I HAVE ZERO REGRETS because after I was 100% debt free WITH A PAYED OFF HOUSE, I had virtually ZERO STRESS about the market price action and I developed TRUE  💎 ✋️ and sleep like a baby.  I use cash app and get payed in bitcoin, instead of a mortgage, I PAY MYSELF and my savings rate went from 20% gross income (when I had a mortgage) to now 50-55% gross income. It's a totally different reality when you're debt free and pay yourself rather than creditors. Around this same time I went full bitcoin only and dumped all my 💩 🪙. My stacking has increased massively and it feels like my actual quality of life has easily gone up 50% or more.  My normie fiat minded relatives can't figure out how I have a higher networth than them even though they earn 2x more than me and are "better educated" than me.... SIMPLE, I AM NO LONGER A DEBT SLAVE AND I AM NO LONGER ON THE FIAT STANDARD. Debt slavery is a fiat construct and I am NEVER GOING BACK! People enslaved to debt are not free to truly do what they want... constantly stressing over their job, their lives etc. Some people here have taken out a 2nd mortgage, ran up 2-3 credit cards, borrowed from family etc to buy bitcoin. If like in 2014, 2018, 2022 in a bear market, these people develop 📃 ✋️ and panic sell at a massive lose... or their relationship with friends and relative who they borrowed from deteriorate. Don't be a fiat debt slave... when you're debt free and with frugality, your rate of stacking with be supercharged. I was able to stack 1BTC from 2 years of #GETONZERO fiat, zero budget. I only hold fiat only on payday for a few hours to pay off bills and anything left over is dumped for bitcoin.  Normie debt slaves stack debt, they will remain enslaved to fiat parasites and the fiat mindset.

ianyboo

Seriously. My family can't even "right click" on something successfully. Double clicking on a desktop icon is a pretty big ask too. There is ***ZERO*** chance that my family takes self custody of Bitcoin in the next 3-4 thousand years.

CrAZiBoUnCeR

So I put a lot of $ in FLOKI a couple years ago. I held and now it’s about double what I put in and it’s also made ATH. Anyone else holding FLOKI? Wondering if I should sell 100% or maybe just take out what I put in 2 years ago. It’s my only meme coin so not sure how these things work besides that they make ZERO SENSE with price action lmao

No-Artichoke3210

A 5 years after college I cashed out my 401k and got rid of my loans. I would never been able to get a mortgage with the debt:income ratio. A year later I paid off my car loan to w/stock wins. That weight of debt will hold you down forever, get rid of it. I don’t care if I could have had tons of money if I held decades bc in hindsight there was ZERO other way for me. Now my friends are still paying their loans and now their kids college while i have zero debt and my house is almost paid off.

haych-18

Befi labs- $BEFI. It's a BRC-20 & Ordinals trading terminal which will soon implement trading runes using your preferred wallet. It has lightning fast transactions with ZERO gas fees. Honestly when runes and the BTCfi takes off it will be one of the leading projects in the space. Just visit their socials and website and you'll see why. Offers 60x leverage and has many more features in the pipe line such as the befi reactor and staking pool. They also are working on Befi pad, launch pad where new projects can launch there token off.

ts_wrathchild

There is no safe way for the retail investor to borrow against Bitcoin currently. Sure, there are orgs out there that will happily take your BTC and give you dollars, but they all offer ZERO protection against TOTAL loss. Every single one of these organizations that still exist will 100% fail and close up shop in the next bear market. Save this post. Make no mistake though, Bitcoin loans will be a billion dollar industry on its own in the next few years, with insurance, audits and protection. But that doesn’t happen until TradFi can legally perform these loans, which they currently cannot. It’s coming. Just not today. I lost 2.5 BTC to Celsius, so I have first hand experience on this one.

Duncle_Rico

Everyone is SO polarized on this topic it's obnoxious. **Nobody** is claiming Trump as the crypto messiah. You're pushing the discussion into an extremist perspective so you can attack people on being delusional. Which is incorrect. You and many others are frustrated because the democratic candidate and his appointed SEC chairman have been *incredibly* aggressive towards crypto, and the republican candidate sees an opportunity to gain voter support by pushing pro crypto policy. Luckily for us all, we have 4 years of *each* candidate in office and can base our opinion on the topic **through their actions while in office.** The Biden administration vs. the Trump administration **is a night and day difference on crypto policy** There is **ZERO** argument towards that. If Democrats want support from the crypto community, then they need to voice their opinions to their elected officials and demand policy change. Posting rants on r/cryptocurrency about "orange man bad" literally does *nothing* for your cause.

Tumid_Butterfingers

ZERO BITCH. Lay off the fucking adderral.

octplex

They'd have to do it secretly otherwise it's like having a big red sign saying SELL OUR CURRENCY, IT'S GOING TO ZERO

YoghurtClear711

BitCoin is worthless junk. It has ZERO real world value. Nobody buys BitCoin because they want BitCoin.. they buy it because they want more DOLLARS

Cold_Court1660

Then there is ZERO benefit to being rich.

acidranger

these idiots been trying for a month now. lost count of the number of obviously stolen / hijacked accounts they are posting from. It's funny to look at post history and see ZERO and I mean fucking NO crypto posts period and then nothing but "kendu good" posts. obvious trash can project. and don't forget, they are trying to push the eth version now instead of sol because the market is tapped out

RationalExuberance7

What happens in 10 years when BITCOIN will be obsolete and will be worth ZERO because AI + quantum computing will make the code obsolete?

Pretenderinchief

For crypto maybe but this comment is uninformed as it gets. I have a list of bills put forward to help veterans, the environment, infrastructure, green energy, student loans- literally anything to do with a civilized society by the democrats. Guess how many by the republicans in the last decade besides tax cuts? ZERO. Democrats are FAR from perfect but I refuse to equate the 2. I mean one party is running a convicted rapist fraudster lol. Such a joke of a talking point to equate the 2 parties in power.

HodLMania

The narrative was controlled all the way to ZERO, Brother !!

Ok-Associate-8799

Have you known gambling addicts? Many of them have an excellent grasp of mathematics. They can bring stacks of analysis to a horse racing track, understanding terrain & weather history charts, horse / breeder history, medical history of racers / horses, vast knowledge of teams, stables, hoof materials, internal dramas, seasonal and multi-seasonal racing times and causes for anomolies. At the end of the day they are gambling addicts and just throwing shit at wall. Once you understand this you'll never look at anything stock chart related ever again and understand that every one of them - and I mean every single one of them...unless they have the political & financial clout to actually move markets themselves (see Warren Buffet or major banks)...have absolutely no idea what is going to happen. I mean ZERO idea. You cannot predict the future. None of these people have a clue. It's all just just tarot card reading masquerading as "probabilities and statistics". They all know this. They're addicts. That's why they all sell t-shirts and coffee mugs and premium memberships. Because you'll pay it. Because you're a gambling addict too. And like any pusher / dealer, they make LOTS of money from you. The more "legit" they seem, the more money they can make.

shibe5

**2010** * **Why Bitcoin Can’t Be a Currency** - The Underground Economist **2011** * **So, That’s the End of Bitcoin Then** - Forbes * **The Bitcoin Is Dying. Whatever** - Gizmodo Australia * **Why Bitcoin Will Fail as a Currency** - The Calculating Investor **2012** * **Wired, Tired, Expired for 2012: EXPIRED** - Wired **2013** * **Bitcoin Is A Remarkable Innovation, Here’s Why It Will Fail** - Salon * **From Game Over, Bitcoin. Where Is The Next Human-based Digital Currency?** - OUI Share * **Bitcoin Is A Joke** - Business Insider * **A Prediction: Bitcoin Is Doomed to Fail** - The New York Times **2014** * **An early obituary for bitcoin** - Reuters * **Bitcoin Bears Say Told You So** - Bloomberg * **The Exact Date for Bitcoin’s Final Crash to $0.00** - Wall Street Daily **2015** * **R.I.P. Bitcoin. It’s time to move on** - Washington Post * **Bitcoin Is Getting Annihilated** - Business Insider * **Five Reasons Bitcoin Revolution is Over** - Sputnik News **2016** * **Bitcoin Is Dead, Long Live the Blockchain** - The Street * **From Bitcoin’s Rallying Again—But Isn’t Getting Much Attention Anymore** - WSJ * **Bitcoin was supposed to change the world. What happened?** - Vox **2017** * **Why Bitcoin Is Worthless** - Seeking Alpha * **Bitcoin has no future because of its anonymity, SocGen CEO says** * **What is a Good Price For Bitcoin and Other Cryptocurrencies? Zero** - Jonathan Harris **2018** * **BTC will be ‘WORTHLESS and have ZERO VALUE’ in 2019** - Express * **Sorry, Bitcoin Fans. Digital Currency Is Still a Dream** - Bloomberg * **There’s a ‘decent probability’ bitcoin goes to zero, says Vanguard economist** - MarketWatch * **Bitcoin has fallen to its lowest point since November and will probably be totally wiped out** - Independent **2019** * **The END of Bitcoin as we know it** - Irish Tech News * **Treasury Secretary Seals Bitcoin’s Impending Death by a Thousand Cuts** - CCN * **Bitcoin – The end of an Era** - TradingView **2020** * **Cryptocurrency is Dead** - Finextra * **The Value of Bitcoin Will Drop to Zero** - Cointelegraph **2021** * **The Bitcoin Delusion** - The Spectator * **The fundamental value of bitcoin is zero** - Insider * **Adios Bitcoin!** - The Institutional Risk Analyst **2022** * **Crypto Is Dead** - The Spectator * **Crypto-assets Are Worth Nothing** - Politico https\:\/\/miningsyndicate\.com/blogs/news/the-most-memorable-bitcoin-obituaries-through-the-years

analogOnly

There is ZERO code change to the bitcoin protocal, what are you smoking?

bigbarryb

ZERO.

Little_Red_Rooster_1

NGRAVE ZERO. I sleep better at night now. 😆

CommonSensei-_

Rat poison squared ZERO! …. What else am I missing?

Read-it_Lurker

river has ZERO fees if you DCA after a week or so

biba8163

Again, hype and buzzwords. But ZERO analysis or evidence provided of how any of these pilots or collaborations will actually create demand for the token offsetting the ~50% the "Foundation" has to dump, hopefully creating appreciable returns for investors. > post garbage that I wont even read? Of course questioning the value proposition of something that you shill people to buy is garbage. I do this because people fall for these hype tech projects over and over again and keep losing money.

Haunting-Student-756

TF kinda post is this? Lots of words to say ZERO. No details just DAF

RogerEpsilonDelta

Completely agree, ZERO functionality and real world applications for bitcoin.

HodLMania

NOW LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, BROTHER What you gonna do.. wen 69000 Kwon-no-maniacs RUNS ZERO on you, Brother !!

Chronicles0122

Literally anywhere that doesn’t have unrealized gains. ANYWHERE. Holy shit… this is unreal. Off the top of my head New Zealand , Switzerland and the UAE have ZERO capital gains tax

Aoi_Haru

I use crypto.com and while the app is pretty ok, I must say they have absolutely ZERO customer support.

wizardstrikes2

Again you are comparing an abacus to a quantum computer. Or the safety of a wooden bridge made in the 1800’s and compare the safety to a bridge made in 2020. It is intellectually disingenuous to compare a generation I nuclear reactor to a generation III+ nuclear reactor. The 2950’s-1970’s there were zero nuclear safety protocols in place. There was no Nuclear Facilities Safety Board. They didn’t even need very many permits in the 70’s. Ukraine only has generation I and generation II nuclear power plants. A generation IIi+ nuclear power plant can withstand anything nature has to offer. Winds up to 5000 mph, multiple direct hit nuclear detonations, and the only leaked radiation would be from the bombs. Generation I and II nuclear didn’t have any Passive safety systems:……Generation III+ nuclear operate without human intervention or electrical power, using natural forces like gravity, natural circulation, and compressed gases. They require bomb proof containment structures: they are made to withstand any manmade disaster, natural disasters, and other extreme conditions. Do you think you are more safe in an automobile made in 1950 or 2020? There have been ZERO GENERATION III+ accidents in 24 years, manmade or otherwise. All your points are from the 50- 80’s. Technology has vastly improved in the last 80 years….

drawgas

Zero. Thats how much you should have of any shitcoin - ZERO.

ts_wrathchild

Where any of us would be if we were in his shoes - in international waters, on a yacht, with enough money to last 50 lifetimes and 24/7 armed security. You won't hear from this guy ever again. Of course he knew what was going on, which is why he retired. It's up for debate on if he participated or facilitated in anything criminal, but there is ZERO doubt he knew there were crimes happening and the second he steps on US soil, he's in cuffs for questioning - he knows this.

Mirved

Wow how delusional can a person be. "He had nothing to do with it". There is 100s of videos of him clearly inciting his base to take matters in there own hands. Let alone him claiming for months that there was voting fraud with ZERO evidence.

Davinter30

Dude you have ZERO control over your emotions, just leave this space

Chronicles0122

Meanwhile who is the one of the largest holders of American equities… pension funds … retirement funds … the baby boomer funds … there is NO WAY … ZERO chance America would survive passing this ridiculous law lol . Game over bro.

sudomatrix

Nope, the IRS doesn't care if a rule is "ridiculous". I sold stock WITH NO PROFIT and the broker reported the total amount to the IRS but didn't report the cost basis I bought it at or the profit amount. The IRS send me a bill with penalties and interest for not paying tax on the entire amount. Since they didn't know the cost basis they just assumed it was ZERO (ie: I bought the stock at the price of zero) and demanded I paid tax based on 100% profit. It was on me to prove I had made 0% profit and owed no taxes no penalties and no interest.

maestrothrowaway

Oh I dunno maybe interest rates at ZERO and free government money?

StianHvalborg

What you mean failed? I’ve been using bitcoin as main currency AND bank since 2013 and it saved my life because it’s the ONLY currency that actually works. All my banks instantly close and get seized for months on end for absolutely ZERO reason. I never break the law I always pay my taxes. I’d probably be starved to death today if it were not for the unstoppable power of bitcoin.

flutecop

So many bad takes in this thread! There is no such thing as intrinsic value. All value is subjective. Gold has ZERO intrinsic value because there is no such thing as intrinsic value. People use intrinsic value as shorthand to explain value which is very durable. (The utility value of gold is considered very durable) Which is fine, but it is still technically subjective. It is therefore a mistake to base any argument on the tenet of intrinsic value. Intrinsic vale = subjective value which is considered very durable.

StupidWorthless2

ZERO!!!

analogOnly

I have ZERO BTC. I used to have many, but now I have zero. Harddrive got corrupted in a fire.

RyuguRenabc1q

ZERO!!!

john1derry

You sound like you are a person with little patience. If you are holding bitcoin sell it all now, it’s going to ZERO.

ElectronicWeight3

ZERO! When it comes out, ZERO!!! 🤣

Visara57

It's going to ZERO. Everyone who doesn't see it is literally blind /s

StianHvalborg

Why the fakk do you think I will ever sell my BTC for worthless fiat currency? Fiat currency has zero value. ZERO. What part of “I’m NEVER selling my BTC for worthless fiat EVER” do you not understand? I’ll repeat again. Your USD has a NEGATIVE value at this point. You’re at 300+ trillion dept. and your GDP is barely 30 trillion. You’re bankrupt kid. BANKRUPT. You just don’t know it yet. 1 BTC will always be 1 BTC, because the total circulating is 21 million BTC and will never go past 21 million BTC. Your worthless fiat dollar on the other hand has a INFINITE inflation and it’s gonna inflate into oblivion. Period.

anonymouscitizen2

So what are you suggesting people do? Hold dollars, go to a store, convert dollars to crypto at the store somehow, and then immediately spend it hoping the price doesn’t change at finalization? Or lose a bunch of money holding the crypto so you don’t have to pay cap gains?(you’ll still want to report those losses or your wasting money so its still extra work) Why not just spend the dollars and avoid the hassle? If cryptocurrency is going to have any chance of competing with government dollars as a medium of exchange it requires legal and tax treatment the government will NEVER give up. This is not even taking into consideration ZERO cryptocurrencies can compete with VISA at scale currently. It does not work. There are far better applications and the market has made that clear to anybody bothering to look. All payment coins have tanked 95%+ over the past 7 years.

EnigmaticMJ

I like XLM, but I'd strongly argue that Nano is better "in spirit and practice". Instant full settlement, faster than any other. Zero fees ever, so literally no one is ever excluded from participation. Fees on networks like XLM are small for now, but should be expected to increase dramatically with increased demand. Quality of service (priority) based on activity rather than who can pay the most in fees. ZERO supply inflation, meaning no holder will EVER be debased by the introduction of new supply. Properly incentivized decentralization. The lack of monetary rewards (inflation & fees) for service providers means there's no incentive to centralize, and they are actually incentivized to decentralize to improve network health.

EnigmaticMJ

Nano. Instant. Feeless. ZERO inflation. Incentivized decentralization. It doesn't get any better.

Fun-Reflection5013

Cool You calculated how much power you will need to run it ? At the price of bitcoin , you have alot of runway. Whats the likelihood you mine a coin ? I have a 100 Amp panel with 64 breakers I'd consider running a few older machines. FYI --- I have ZERO clue.

sumcollegekid

For the LAST... fucking... time....... BlackRock IS NOT BUYING BITCOIN. Investors in the BlackRock IBIT ETF are buying Bitcoin. BlackRock literally owns ZERO Bitcoin. Z E R O BlackRock is just the casino collecting fees. JFC! Everyone wants to be a conspiracy theorist.

riscten

You're not trusting any miner. Everything the miners do is out there in the open. This cannot be underlined enough. There is absolutely ***ZERO TRUST*** in the mining process. You can check every single thing they do, down to the last bit. That's the entire point of full nodes. Don't trust, verify. This is wildly different from giving your money to Blackrock/Coinbase and trusting that they're not betting it all on GME.

BraidRuner

##ZERO There are people today who have Zero and will only ever have Zero because they will never start at all. Not $1 not $2 Not $5 Not $10 to invest in their future. This is not you!! You have started *STRONG* Now *CARRY ON*

Wershingtern

Sadly it was a real cost, it’s at a property owned by family. Power bill used to be $10 month or so just running a heater during winter months so when anyone would visit it wasn’t freezing inside. Internet was a plus for sure, and when they finally ran fiber of all things out there I wanted to have it regardless of mining or not. Before 2018 there was ZERO phone service out there, let alone internet

Little_Red_Rooster_1

I started with Ellipal which I really liked for usability but I have now switched to the NGRAVE ZERO for peace of mind. It's expensive but if you are using it to secure all of your crypto assets it's worth it I think. The reason I went with it was the mechanism they use for generating what they call the "Perfect Key". The process uses input from the user as a variable in the key generation process which takes place in memory rather than pulling from a predefined list of seed words and keys. This gives you complete control of the keys that are generated. You should go read about it so that you have a full understanding of the difference in how the key generation process is implemented from device to device.

DrewfromSwanBitcoin

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Little_Red_Rooster_1

No not really, the point of a cold wallet is to insure that your seed phrase and private key is completely secure by never having the device connected to the internet or a computer that could be infected with malware and having complete custody of your keys so that no one at an exchange or any other third party could ever get access to them and drain your wallet. Using a cold wallet that generates the keys based on your input ensures that even the manufacturer of the device couldn't know what the keys are. I have been using Ellipal but discovered that the seed phrase and private keys are all preprogrammed on the device and since their code isn't completely open source you have no idea what they could do with it. Given that it's made in Hong Kong I decided to dig deeper for a solution that would give me true peace of mind. I landed on the NGRAVE ZERO which I am in the process of testing.

ResponsibilitySea327

Lololol. You don't know what they hell I do, do you? You have ZERO idea what running a large power grid is like until you step in my shoes. The plant I support is guaranteed to be several times larger than all the other plants you've been party to. I'll bet the proverbial farm on that one. You don't have the education or clearances to even step in those shoes. But your comment is more related to the price of tea than bitcoin. Of course any economic output requites power. And any power generation has a environmental cost. The point is that ESG is just a political leverage point and doesn't make something "green". It is all based in one's reference. A wond farm is arguably better than coal and an EV may be better than an ICE car in some references, but it doesn't mean that building an EV is environmentally friendly. SEER 16 is better than SEER 14, but you won't save the planet running a SEER 16 AC unit 24/7. You can consume your way to environmentally friendly, you can only mitigate future power growth rates. Take ESG politics and shove it.

DrewfromSwanBitcoin

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Subarunatsuki2

Crabmob to zero. Kryptonite to zero. Myro to fucking ZERO!!!